DISCUSSION THREAD WEEK OF 8/14

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


It was revolting. He is a sick puppy.

IMO

He really is.....the police are constantly at his house for one problem or another.

He's constantly having parties for his high school son at his house.......and the beer bottles and debris left afterwards makes it clear as to what kind of parties they are.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


But some here feel that it is important and proves something......even if he admitted it....it proves nothing.....which is funny....

at this point if Deepak admitted that they all had sex with Natalee it doesn't prove any crime.....

Natalee was not the young woman that Beth tried to betray her as. Deepak was having a private conversation with Skeeters. He could have said anything he wanted. He could have claimed to rape 10 women every night. That isn't proof.

MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


It was revolting. He is a sick puppy.

IMO

Yep just like those police that decided to plant blood with preservative in it.....

why did they try to frame a guilty man?

Why did Mark Fuhrman plead the 5th? (only the guilty do that)

Anyway enough off topic....

Joran is in Aruba and Holland.......they know that a person arrested under suspicion is not guilty.....and there wasn't even enough evidence to go to trial.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom

Natalee didn't know him. Beth never heard his name before. But his name came up in Beth's papers a few times. He never had any contact with Natalee. Maybe he and Natalee brushed shoulders on the beach. He punched Natalee.



But he just isn't relevant. :tongue:


I'm outta here. I can't take much more laughs tonight. My stomach is killing me from laughing so hard. :biggrin:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the RU's, themselves, who sent that to Greta. PR campaign at work! Good going for those who fall for it.

IMO LMAO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Deepak was having a private conversation with Skeeters. He could have said anything he wanted. He could have claimed to rape 10 women every night. That isn't proof.

MOO

So you are pointing out the fact that such actions in the U.S. is totally illegal.........

Yep I agree with that....

but nothing said was criminal....and the tape was manipulated.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the RU's, themselves, who sent that to Greta. PR campaign at work! Good going for those who fall for it.

IMO


:D

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


Yep !! I have no doubt that Joran is High Fived in the bars and the casinos in Aruba, that's where his (low) life is. But what about the GOOD people of Aruba, how do they feel ? Like Paula said, they believe he is guilty of the murder of Natalee Holloway and the cause of ALL of Aruba's bad publicity that is destroying their livelihoods.

imo

Then to add insult to injury, Paulus fleeces the Island even more with his 30,000 pieces of tainted silver. The money should have been paid by his son - the cause of his imprisonment - not by the poor, hardworking people of the island he claims to love so much.

imo.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


So you are pointing out the fact that such actions in the U.S. is totally illegal.........

Yep I agree with that....

but nothing said was criminal....and the tape was manipulated. For all we know the conversation was rehearsed.

MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom

Natalee didn't know him. Beth never heard his name before. But his name came up in Beth's papers a few times. He never had any contact with Natalee. Maybe he and Natalee brushed shoulders on the beach. He punched Natalee.

Yep that is the story according to Beth.....

sounds real logical :) Common Sense tingling. LOL

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Then to add insult to injury, Paulus fleeces the Island even more with his 30,000 pieces of tainted silver. The money should have been paid by his son - the cause of his imprisonment - not by the poor, hardworking people of the island he claims to love so much.

imo. LMAO Joran didn't detain Paulus, the Office of the Public Prosecutor did.

"Fleeces the island" *howls with laughter*

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Yep just like those police that decided to plant blood with preservative in it.....

why did they try to frame a guilty man?

Why did Mark Fuhrman plead the 5th? (only the guilty do that)

Anyway enough off topic....

Joran is in Aruba and Holland.......they know that a person arrested under suspicion is not guilty.....and there wasn't even enough evidence to go to trial.

And in all likelihood the people of Aruba and Holland have faith in their judicial system.

:)

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


And in all likelihood the people of Aruba and Holland have faith in their judicial system.

:)

I agree....

they probably hear the same as we do....

It's the best system in the world.

Teehee.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Then to add insult to injury, Paulus fleeces the Island even more with his 30,000 pieces of tainted silver. The money should have been paid by his son - the cause of his imprisonment - not by the poor, hardworking people of the island he claims to love so much.

imo.

Like I said before, that money will not buy back his integrity, morals, the coveted judgeship or an eldest son he can be proud of.

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Yep that is the story according to Beth.....

sounds real logical : ) Common Sense tingling. LOL

Like this?


S. O'BRIEN: What do you think is the link with Paul Van Der Sloot and your daughter's disappearance? I guess I'm not making the connection there. Why do you think he's so critical to this case? .

TWITTY: I think that he has information. He definitely has it, and he has to step forward with it. He has not provided them --

S. O'BRIEN: Why are you so sure? Why are you so sure, Beth? What has he said to you that you're so sure he's got information?

TWITTY: You know, on that night and early morning hours on the 31st, we knew that he had -- that he was instrumental, had something -- connection, some information that he was withholding. And once I spent that 90 minutes in his home, I had the confirmation that I needed to know, yes, yes, he does have some information. I don't know what he has. I don't know how he's involved, but he can help give us information on this.

S. O'BRIEN: Because he's the one who was dealing with his son in the early morning hours after your daughter disappeared. What kind of conversation did he tell you he had with his son?

TWITTY: You know, I was not involved in that conversation, Soledad, so that would be something that the other witnesses that were with me could tell you. I remained seated in the vehicle the entire time.

S. O'BRIEN: I guess you're just so adamant and I can't figure out if you're saying you think he's covering for his son, you think he specifically had a role in your daughter's disappearance, you think that he just has information and is not being forthcoming? Which is it? Why are you so convinced?

TWITTY: Soledad, you're exactly right. Really it's all three of them could be a possibility, and that's what we need to find out.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI.../28/ltm.02.html


:confused: :shrug: :confused:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Then to add insult to injury, Paulus fleeces the Island even more with his 30,000 pieces of tainted silver. The money should have been paid by his son - the cause of his imprisonment - not by the poor, hardworking people of the island he claims to love so much.

imo.

MN....if you don't want to pm the link......that's okay.....could you ask someone to do it.....or just tell me that you don't want me to have it.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


You know, Paula, I live a few blocks away from OJ and he frequents a nearby local breakfast place that I also go to. It never ceases to amaze me how people go up to him for autographs and pictures.

HOWEVER, he has been quietly shunned from all the major golf courses and no one of any importance wants to associate with him. I believe it will be the same with Joran. People will only want to be seen with him due to the "thrill" of his notoriety.

The cloud of suspicion will never leave him.

IMO.

I hear you, MN!

There were those who cheered as if they were attending a football game, and Simpson made touchdown, when he was acquitted. It was apalling and positively sickening, for me to have witnessed the sobbing families of Nicole and Ron, as his fans cheered him getting away with double murder.

But those, whom Simpson wishes would befriend him, will not. They avoid him like the plague for the double murderer he truly is.

There is a difference between the notoriety of the infamous vs the famous. Simpson and Joran are infamous.

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Like I said before, that money will not buy back his integrity, morals, the coveted judgeship or an eldest son he can be proud of.

imo I'm not sure what to think of a person who thinks integrity and morals can be purchased.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


MN....if you don't want to pm the link......that's okay.....could you ask someone to do it.....or just tell me that you don't want me to have it.

Why are you so interested in reading something you don't believe?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Like this?


S. O'BRIEN: What do you think is the link with Paul Van Der Sloot and your daughter's disappearance? I guess I'm not making the connection there. Why do you think he's so critical to this case? .

TWITTY: I think that he has information. He definitely has it, and he has to step forward with it. He has not provided them --

S. O'BRIEN: Why are you so sure? Why are you so sure, Beth? What has he said to you that you're so sure he's got information?

TWITTY: You know, on that night and early morning hours on the 31st, we knew that he had -- that he was instrumental, had something -- connection, some information that he was withholding. And once I spent that 90 minutes in his home, I had the confirmation that I needed to know, yes, yes, he does have some information. I don't know what he has. I don't know how he's involved, but he can help give us information on this.

S. O'BRIEN: Because he's the one who was dealing with his son in the early morning hours after your daughter disappeared. What kind of conversation did he tell you he had with his son?

TWITTY: You know, I was not involved in that conversation, Soledad, so that would be something that the other witnesses that were with me could tell you. I remained seated in the vehicle the entire time.

S. O'BRIEN: I guess you're just so adamant and I can't figure out if you're saying you think he's covering for his son, you think he specifically had a role in your daughter's disappearance, you think that he just has information and is not being forthcoming? Which is it? Why are you so convinced?

TWITTY: Soledad, you're exactly right. Really it's all three of them could be a possibility, and that's what we need to find out.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI.../28/ltm.02.html


:confused: :shrug: :confused:

OMG.....your emoticons say it all.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


And in all likelihood the people of Aruba and Holland have faith in their judicial system.

:) Well, everyone but Jossy, which must be why he's hiding out in Florida.moo

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


Like I said before, that money will not buy back his integrity, morals, the coveted judgeship or an eldest son he can be proud of.

imo

Yes, NN, this is the bottom line. They may have won the "battle" with their little victory in New York, but they will ultimately lose the "war."

As you listed above, they have lost everything that money cannot buy and of course, that which is ultimately important in one's life.

With this, I will say good night!

:seeya:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why are you so interested in reading something you don't believe?

I'm sorry I do look at everything....not just what I want to believe.....

I see nothing wrong with looking at all the evidence.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Yes, NN, this is the bottom line. They may have won the "battle" with their little victory in New York, but they will ultimately lose the "war."

As you listed above, they have lost everything that money cannot buy and of course, that which is ultimately important in one's life.

With this, I will say good night!

:seeya:

Good night, Miami. It is nice to see someone who can read a post and understand what is being said.

Of course money cannot buy integrity, morals or a son to be proud of, but the money is all Paulus has to replace those lost and unrecoverable important aspects of life.

imo

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I hear you, MN!

There were those who cheered as if they were attending a football game, and Simpson made touchdown, when he was acquitted. It was apalling and positively sickening, for me to have witnessed the sobbing families of Nicole and Ron, as his fans cheered him getting away with double murder.

But those, whom Simpson wishes would befriend him, will not. They avoid him like the plague for the double murderer he truly is.

There is a difference between the notoriety of the infamous vs the famous. Simpson and Joran are infamous.

IMO

Well if you believe that you are guilty until proven innocent........

that's enough evidence for some..........unless the person on trial is a police officer.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Yes, NN, this is the bottom line. They may have won the "battle" with their little victory in New York, but they will ultimately lose the "war."

As you listed above, they have lost everything that money cannot buy and of course, that which is ultimately important in one's life.

With this, I will say good night!

:seeya:

Goodnite MN! :seeya:

Sweet Dreams!

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


Good night, Miami. It is nice to see someone who can read a post and understand what is being said.

Of course money cannot buy integrity, morals or a son to be proud of, but the money is all Paulus has to replace those lost and unrecoverable important aspects of life.

imo

Nah...even in the U.S......a civil suit against the government and winning such is something to show the public the wrong doing against that person....

like the man accused of the Atlanta Olympic bombing......Jewel (sp) was innocent.......and we see how great our system was....no evidence, but the FBI smeared the man's name......Rudolph (sp) was that man behind it....but Richard Jewel (sp) suffered for many years because of the inept LE here......that would include that almighty FBI.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There is a difference between the notoriety of the infamous vs the famous. Simpson and Joran are infamous.

IMO No, Joran is famous. He won the ruling on the civil suit and the Prosecutor said there is no evidence he committed a crime.

Justice for Joran :rose: Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :rose:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom
No, Joran is famous. He won the ruling on the civil suit and the Prosecutor said there is no evidence he committed a crime.

Justice for Joran :rose: Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :rose:

Yep...and when the almighty FBI release info pertaining to the case......it will be a great day.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I'm sorry I do look at everything....not just what I want to believe.....

I see nothing wrong with looking at all the evidence.

:eek: What a novel approach :eek:

[Narcissist15]

So at this point....after many requests.....

I have yet to get a link to this incredible e-mail that Skeeter and an SM poster had.

Incredible. :D

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom


:eek: What a novel approach :eek:

I know it is........I'm either old school or revolutionary.......

:D

ETA....not sure which though....TEEHEE

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


MN....if you don't want to pm the link......that's okay.....could you ask someone to do it.....or just tell me that you don't want me to have it.
Still no link? Maybe it doesn't exist :shrug:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom

Still no link? Maybe it doesn't exist :shrug:

I don't know....CE tells me it exists......CE tells me it's probably doesn't hold water....


but the possibility that it doesn't exist does exist. LOL

[Narcissist15]

Wooohooo I'm a senior member (poster) tonight....

Congratulate me ;)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I don't know....CE tells me it exists......CE tells me it's probably doesn't hold water....


but the possibility that it doesn't exist does exist. LOL Since there is no proof it exists other than mutterings on a message board, it must have been vanished in a web wide conspiracy complete with a PR rep.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
Wooohooo I'm a senior member (poster) tonight....

Congratulate me ;)


CONGRATS (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/earshot/fireworks.gif)

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Since there is no proof it exists other than mutterings on a message board, it must have been vanished in a web wide conspiracy complete with a PR rep.

Well adjectives such as incredible is CE to its existence you know........

that kind of CE is just the best........

not like real CE like fingerprints or cell phone records.......:)

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom



CONGRATS (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/earshot/fireworks.gif)

That looks like a little scary microorganism....

but thank you :)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


That looks like a little scary microorganism....

but thank you :)

(it's fireworks, sorry I couldn't find the ones I really wanted to post, when I do, I will PM them)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Well adjectives such as incredible is CE to its existence you know........

that kind of CE is just the best........

not like real CE like fingerprints or cell phone records.......:) Oh there's nothing like picking and chosing what is relevant and what isn't, especially after the party that must SUFFER is zeroed in on.

I'm off to bed. Nitey nite, see you tomorrow! :seeya:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
Wooohooo I'm a senior member (poster) tonight....

Congratulate me ;)

Congratulations, Narc. By the way, did you ever get the PM you were politely asking for last night??

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Like this?


S. O'BRIEN: What do you think is the link with Paul Van Der Sloot and your daughter's disappearance? I guess I'm not making the connection there. Why do you think he's so critical to this case? .

TWITTY: I think that he has information. He definitely has it, and he has to step forward with it. He has not provided them --

S. O'BRIEN: Why are you so sure? Why are you so sure, Beth? What has he said to you that you're so sure he's got information?

TWITTY: You know, on that night and early morning hours on the 31st, we knew that he had -- that he was instrumental, had something -- connection, some information that he was withholding. And once I spent that 90 minutes in his home, I had the confirmation that I needed to know, yes, yes, he does have some information. I don't know what he has. I don't know how he's involved, but he can help give us information on this.

S. O'BRIEN: Because he's the one who was dealing with his son in the early morning hours after your daughter disappeared. What kind of conversation did he tell you he had with his son?

TWITTY: You know, I was not involved in that conversation, Soledad, so that would be something that the other witnesses that were with me could tell you. I remained seated in the vehicle the entire time.

S. O'BRIEN: I guess you're just so adamant and I can't figure out if you're saying you think he's covering for his son, you think he specifically had a role in your daughter's disappearance, you think that he just has information and is not being forthcoming? Which is it? Why are you so convinced?

TWITTY: Soledad, you're exactly right. Really it's all three of them could be a possibility, and that's what we need to find out.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI.../28/ltm.02.html


:confused: :shrug: :confused:

She never did answer Soledad. She babbled and blundered her way through every question.

How can any person with 1/2 a brain listen to interviews like this and praise this woman?

What is her proof of anything? She can't even say herself.

[chambord]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


She never did answer Soledad. She babbled and blundered her way through every question.

How can any person with 1/2 a brain listen to interviews like this and praise this woman?

What is her proof of anything? She can't even say herself.


A question I have always wanted to ask all of you anti Beth posters. What valid reason would Beth have to "Lie" about anything? What would it accomplish? Do you really think its just to protect her daughter's reputation, and how she preceived it to be? That's absurd, in itself. Do you think its what I have seen here posted time and time again, that, "she hated Joran for shunning Natalee", IMO, that's the lest of Beth's concerns. So come on folks, tell us why Beth lied? Looking forward to seeing, unemotional, rational, logical replies.


moo

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by chambord



A question I have always wanted to ask all of you anti Beth posters. What valid reason would Beth have to "Lie" about anything? What would it accomplish? Do you really think its just to protect her daughter's reputation, and how she preceived it to be? That's absurd, in itself. Do you think its what I have seen here posted time and time again, that, "she hated Joran for shunning Natalee", IMO, that's the lest of Beth's concerns. So come on folks, tell us why Beth lied? Looking forward to seeing, unemotional, rational, logical replies.


moo

I hate the label "anti-Beth poster", but since I disagree with Beth's actions, I guess that's where I find myself.

I have no earthly idea WHY Beth would need to lie. There is obviously a reason, because she does it. It certainly ISN'T accomplishing anything, except for those who think she is RIGHT .... no matter WHAT she does, or who she tramples on along the way ((speaking specifically now of the people of Aruba)). Posters like yourself BACK that boycott just because Beth called for it. When you think about ANY boycott, it always punishes the "little people", NOT the "people in power". Posters like yourself have no problem with the "little people" being punished.

I wish I KNEW why Beth tends to lie, cham .... but I don't. There are so many cases where she has .... too numerous to mention .... little things, bigger things . Why .... I don't know.

JMO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by chambord



A question I have always wanted to ask all of you anti Beth posters. What valid reason would Beth have to "Lie" about anything? What would it accomplish? Do you really think its just to protect her daughter's reputation, and how she preceived it to be? That's absurd, in itself. Do you think its what I have seen here posted time and time again, that, "she hated Joran for shunning Natalee", IMO, that's the lest of Beth's concerns. So come on folks, tell us why Beth lied? Looking forward to seeing, unemotional, rational, logical replies.


moo
It has nothing to do with Natalee or her reputation. It has do do with money.

By the time of this interview the cash flow was established. If Joran had been exonerated and there were no other suspects the gravy train would have slowed down dramatically.

Without any suspects Natalee might have been declared a runaway, most people would see the logic of this, and to use one of your favorite expressions, "viola", no more cash at all. (By the way, who is viola?)

And now, Joran's innocence, or Natalee's being found would destroy the safe travel foundation.

No emotion, just logic and rationality.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

It has nothing to do with Natalee or her reputation. It has do do with money.

By the time of this interview the cash flow was established. If Joran had been exonerated and there were no other suspects the gravy train would have slowed down dramatically.

Without any suspects Natalee might have been declared a runaway, most people would see the logic of this, and to use one of your favorite expressions, "viola", no more cash at all. (By the way, who is viola?)

And now, Joran's innocence, or Natalee's being found would destroy the safe travel foundation.

No emotion, just logic and rationality.

So you believe Natalee ran away, and that Beth is blaming Joran, so she can make money from the safe travel foundation, and if Joran was exonerated, she would lose that income.

WOW!!!!!

I have to wonder if you would feel this way if Natalee was your daughter? Would you believe Joran was innocent? Would you accuse your wife of what you accuse Beth of doing, if your wife wanted to caution others about safe travel so others wouldn't find themselves in Natalee's position?

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


So you believe Natalee ran away, and that Beth is blaming Joran, so she can make money from the safe travel foundation, and if Joran was exonerated, she would lose that income.

WOW!!!!!

I have to wonder if you would feel this way if Natalee was your daughter? Would you believe Joran was innocent? Would you accuse your wife of what you accuse Beth of doing, if your wife wanted to caution others about safe travel so others wouldn't find themselves in Natalee's position?
If Natalee were my daughter there's no doubt in my mind we would know for a fact she ran off.

If my wife acted like Beth has acted, I would have divorced her a year ago.

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

It has nothing to do with Natalee or her reputation. It has do do with money.

By the time of this interview the cash flow was established. If Joran had been exonerated and there were no other suspects the gravy train would have slowed down dramatically.

Without any suspects Natalee might have been declared a runaway, most people would see the logic of this, and to use one of your favorite expressions, "viola", no more cash at all. (By the way, who is viola?)

And now, Joran's innocence, or Natalee's being found would destroy the safe travel foundation.

No emotion, just logic and rationality.



I concur. Not only is it all about money , but BT has a vendetta against Joran and family. IMOHOO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

If Natalee were my daughter there's no doubt in my mind we would know for a fact she ran off.

If my wife acted like Beth has acted, I would have divorced her a year ago.

Beth knows her daughter as well as you know yours, and she knows Natalee would not have ran off.

Given the fact that you stated you would have no doubt in your mind that your daughter had run off, perhaps that's why you can't understand why Beth knows her daughter would not.

Children, whose parents don't care about them, would give their eyetooth to have a mother like Beth.

IMO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Beth knows her daughter as well as you know yours, and she knows Natalee would not have ran off.

Given the fact that you stated you would have no doubt in your mind that your daughter had run off, perhaps that's why you can't understand why Beth knows her daughter would not.

Children, whose parents don't care about them, would give their eyetooth to have a mother like Beth.

IMO
I didn't say my daughter would run off, you asked if I were Natalee's father what I would think.

I know Natalee ran off because everything Beth said and did the first few days prove Beth knew she ran off.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I didn't say my daughter would run off, you asked if I were Natalee's father what I would think.

I know Natalee ran off because everything Beth said and did the first few days prove Beth knew she ran off.

Now you're in Natalee's father's mind!

Unreal and quite unbelievable! WOW!

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Beth knows her daughter as well as you know yours, and she knows Natalee would not have ran off.

Given the fact that you stated you would have no doubt in your mind that your daughter had run off, perhaps that's why you can't understand why Beth knows her daughter would not.

Children, whose parents don't care about them, would give their eyetooth to have a mother like Beth.

IMO She also knew Natalee didn't drink and would NEVER get in a car with 3 strange men.

Oooops

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Now you're in Natalee's father's mind!

Unreal and quite unbelievable! WOW! I guess you have missed all the posts from people KNOWING what Beth or Paulus or any of the people in this case think or know :read:

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Now you're in Natalee's father's mind!

Unreal and quite unbelievable! WOW!
I responded to your question. You asked what I would think if I were Natalees's father. If I were Natalee's father, based on the few facts we have, and evaluating Beth's words and actions, I could believe nothing other than Natalee ran off.

If Dave doesn't know what's going on, I can't help him, and neither can you.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Beth knows her daughter as well as you know yours, and she knows Natalee would not have ran off.

Given the fact that you stated you would have no doubt in your mind that your daughter had run off, perhaps that's why you can't understand why Beth knows her daughter would not.

Children, whose parents don't care about them, would give their eyetooth to have a mother like Beth.

IMO If she 'knows' this, why did she put up Natalee, call me Hootie posters and go on Aruban radio and tell Natalee they could work it out and to please call her?

Who would want a woman her own daughter described as Hitlers sister as a mom :shrug:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by court~critic1®




I concur. Not only is it all about money , but BT has a vendetta against Joran and family. IMOHOO They must SUFFER

[Kidproquo]

I hope the Dutch family SUES em' !!!!

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by court~critic1®

I concur. Not only is it all about money , but BT has a vendetta against Joran and family. IMOHOO
The only way Beth has any credibility at all is if Joran is guilty. If he's exonerated, and especially if Natalee comes forward, Beth might as well disappear.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I hate the label "anti-Beth poster", but since I disagree with Beth's actions, I guess that's where I find myself.

I have no earthly idea WHY Beth would need to lie. There is obviously a reason, because she does it. It certainly ISN'T accomplishing anything, except for those who think she is RIGHT .... no matter WHAT she does, or who she tramples on along the way ((speaking specifically now of the people of Aruba)). Posters like yourself BACK that boycott just because Beth called for it. When you think about ANY boycott, it always punishes the "little people", NOT the "people in power". Posters like yourself have no problem with the "little people" being punished.

I wish I KNEW why Beth tends to lie, cham .... but I don't. There are so many cases where she has .... too numerous to mention .... little things, bigger things . Why .... I don't know.

JMO Well according to some on here, people only lie when they have something to hide.

I think she lies to keep the drama going. What kind of money would pour in if the TRUTH of 'vanished w/o a trace' was told to the American public?

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

The only way Beth has any credibility at all is if Joran is guilty. If he's exonerated, and especially if Natalee comes forward, Beth might as well disappear.


Even IF joran is guilty, imoo, it will still be all about garnering monies for BHT. Again, imooo it has not been about poor Natalee in a very long time. As BHT said on June 10th of last year, " Natalee is dead in her mind" So it is a vendetta against Joran and family.


As another poster said. they must "SUFFER" According to BHT. I am sure it chafes her jaws that Paulus won his law suit.moo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Kidproquo
I hope the Dutch family SUES em' !!!! Why stoop to their level? The Dutch family and the Kalpoe's have shown far more class than the H/T machine have EVER shown.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by chambord



A question I have always wanted to ask all of you anti Beth posters. What valid reason would Beth have to "Lie" about anything? What would it accomplish? Do you really think its just to protect her daughter's reputation, and how she preceived it to be? That's absurd, in itself. Do you think its what I have seen here posted time and time again, that, "she hated Joran for shunning Natalee", IMO, that's the lest of Beth's concerns. So come on folks, tell us why Beth lied? Looking forward to seeing, unemotional, rational, logical replies.


moo

The valid reason I have for Beth to lie.......

was to keep the story in the news........I have linked a transcript in the past between BOR and a man that works as a media consultant.......I think what he said was on point........

Paraphrasing.....you have to work to keep the story in the news......that means you have to have a villian (or villians).....if that doesn't work then you go to the inept and corrupt police......

I think Beth did just that........now some may agree or disagree with the reasons why Beth wanted to keep the story alive......I lean toward it being for Natalee........but I don't have to agree with her actions.....the ends don't always justify the means.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Congratulations, Narc. By the way, did you ever get the PM you were politely asking for last night??

Well one poster was polite enough to PM me.....and I appreciated that.....

but I never did get a link to that e-mail between Skeeter and SM poster.......so ultimately nobody answered my request.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Kidproquo
I hope the Dutch family SUES em' !!!!

I hope so too, if that's the way the truth will finally come out.

I don't think it will ever happen though, because the VDS's don't want the truth to come out publically, although it's been leaked.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Narcissist15

<snip>
........now some may agree or disagree with the reasons why Beth wanted to keep the story alive......I lean toward it being for Natalee........
<snip>
I might agee with you except for one thing. For several days after Beth met Joran she continued to try to make contact with Natalee.

From the beginning, Beth waged a vendetta against Joran, not because she thought he had harmed Natalee, but because she thought he had helped her run off.

For a few days it was about Natalee, but only for a few days.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I hope so too, if that's the way the truth will finally come out.

I don't think it will ever happen though, because the VDS's don't want the truth to come out publically, although it's been leaked.

The truth has been out there in a statement from the Office of the Public Prosecutor - there is no evidence a crime was committed.

If the vdSloots didn't want the truth to come out they would not have fought the civil suit filed against them, they would have just ignored it.

The only truth leaked in the BFN unathenticated docs is that Beth is a bigger liar than a lot of us first thought.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Yes, NN, this is the bottom line. They may have won the "battle" with their little victory in New York, but they will ultimately lose the "war."

As you listed above, they have lost everything that money cannot buy and of course, that which is ultimately important in one's life.

With this, I will say good night!

:seeya: Suspects 12 Beth 0

MOO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Well one poster was polite enough to PM me.....and I appreciated that.....

but I never did get a link to that e-mail between Skeeter and SM poster.......so ultimately nobody answered my request.

Well .... I was reading the board, Narc, and I know how many times you asked for it. You see .... that SHOWS me something. Why would someone NOT send it to yoo??

JMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Well .... I was reading the board, Narc, and I know how many times you asked for it. You see .... that SHOWS me something. Why would someone NOT send it to yoo??

JMO Because it doesn't exist but they can still post in the secret code about it :tongue:

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by chambord



A question I have always wanted to ask all of you anti Beth posters. What valid reason would Beth have to "Lie" about anything? What would it accomplish? Do you really think its just to protect her daughter's reputation, and how she preceived it to be? That's absurd, in itself. Do you think its what I have seen here posted time and time again, that, "she hated Joran for shunning Natalee", IMO, that's the lest of Beth's concerns. So come on folks, tell us why Beth lied? Looking forward to seeing, unemotional, rational, logical replies.


moo

Sorry, I'm just now making it back here. Better late than never.

I'm not anti Beth. I don't like Beth's actions.

What valid reason would Beth have to lie about anything? I can't answer that. I've wondered and wondered why she's lying. I can't come up with anything other than that ole saying - one lie leads to the next. Before you know it, the lies have snowballed into something huge and out of your control.

She admitted that she exaggerated in the beginning. (Telling the trooper Natalee had been kidnapped, etc.). I think the lies may have gotten out of control.

Of course, this is all just speculation on my part. The only thing I can say is I am not imagining that Beth lies. It is what it is.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by nascarmom


The truth has been out there in a statement from the Office of the Public Prosecutor - there is no evidence a crime was committed.

If the vdSloots didn't want the truth to come out they would not have fought the civil suit filed against them, they would have just ignored it.

The only truth leaked in the BFN unathenticated docs is that Beth is a bigger liar than a lot of us first thought.

I think that's one of the most important points, nm. Why would they aggressively fight this civil suit if they were hiding something??

There is nothing in those "statements" which proves anything. As I said last week .... the only thing those "statement" DO, IMO, is show total disrespect for Natalee. They sure don't prove a crime.

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
Wooohooo I'm a senior member (poster) tonight....

Congratulate me ;) congrats (http://www.hertfordshirefa.com/assets/images/countycups/cc_seniorcentenary.jpg)

:patriot:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Suspects 12 Beth 0

MOO

Joran 21 Beth 0 (and I am sure he is proud of it)

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by chambord



A question I have always wanted to ask all of you anti Beth posters. What valid reason would Beth have to "Lie" about anything? <snip>


moo I've been asking that for months. I think Paula helped by defining what lie means to her. So, depending on your definition of "lie", maybe no one is lying.

MOO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Because it doesn't exist but they can still post in the secret code about it :tongue:

That's definitely a possibility, nm. But then I have to wonder .... why would posters have to play a GAME like that?? I believe Narc made it obvious he was interested in ALL information, as I try to do .... not just "one-sided" information.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I've been asking that for months. I think Paula helped by defining what lie means to her. So, depending on your definition of "lie", maybe no one is lying.

MOO

Hi Luke ....

I believe there is only ONE definition of a "lie". It's an "untruth". How many ways can you interpret an "untruth"??

I liken it to making excuses for Beth.

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

I responded to your question. You asked what I would think if I were Natalees's father. If I were Natalee's father, based on the few facts we have, and evaluating Beth's words and actions, I could believe nothing other than Natalee ran off.

If Dave doesn't know what's going on, I can't help him, and neither can you. I love watching people discuss hypothetical situatiions. :biggrin:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


That's definitely a possibility, nm. But then I have to wonder .... why would posters have to play a GAME like that?? I believe Narc made it obvious he was interested in ALL information, as I try to do .... not just "one-sided" information.

JMO

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some posters are unwilling to provide links or post with certain posters because of the constant rudness, ridicule and gang bullying they receive when posting a link or an opinion?


imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Kidproquo
I hope the Dutch family SUES em' !!!! Which Dutch family?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some posters are unwilling to provide links or post with certain posters because of the constant rudness, ridicule and gang bullying they receive when posting a link or an opinion?


imo The people that were being asked to PM a link were posting with Narc without any issues.

So now what is the excuse?

If those who want to discuss super secret info and links to such on the board don't want to pony up the links they are referring to when asked by those outside the secret circle, then they shouldn't be discussing those things on the board.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The people that were being asked to PM a link were posting with Narc without any issues.

So now what is the excuse?

If those who want to discuss super secret info and links to such on the board don't want to pony up the links they are referring to when asked by those outside the secret circle, then they shouldn't be discussing those things on the board.

You are very close to proving my point, given a little more time, I am sure you will succeed.

It's a free board, we can discuss what we want, if we do not want to include rude posters in the conversation, it is our choice.

imo

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic


Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some posters are unwilling to provide links or post with certain posters because of the constant rudness, ridicule and gang bullying they receive when posting a link or an opinion?

imo
No.

People who refuse to post a link either have no link, or know their link won't substantiate their claim.

A few posters gamble on posting links that don't prove their point, but they generally get caught by people who take a minute to read the link.

Not posting a link is like lying. There's got to be a reason for it. You're presenting an excuse, not a reason.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Which Dutch family? All of them. And all the Aruban families too. :D

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


You are very close to proving my point, given a little more time, I am sure you will succeed.

It's a free board, we can discuss what we want, if we do not want to include rude posters in the conversation, it is our choice.

imo
No, you can't discuss whatever you want,there are rules and the 'we' you refer to are not above them.

If you aren't going to include rude posters then you must be excluding yourself.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Hi Luke ....

I believe there is only ONE definition of a "lie". It's an "untruth". How many ways can you interpret an "untruth"??

I liken it to making excuses for Beth.

JMO I agree FM#1. But if we use Paula's definition it helps me understand what some people are saying.

MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

No.

People who refuse to post a link either have no link, or know their link won't substantiate their claim.

A few posters gamble on posting links that don't prove their point, but they generally get caught by people who take a minute to read the link.

Not posting a link is like lying. There's got to be a reason for it. You're presenting an excuse, not a reason.

Thank you, you are also proving my point.

imo

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some posters are unwilling to provide links or post with certain posters because of the constant rudness, ridicule and gang bullying they receive when posting a link or an opinion?


imo I sometimes think everyone has me on IGNORE.

MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The people that were being asked to PM a link were posting with Narc without any issues.

So now what is the excuse?

If those who want to discuss super secret info and links to such on the board don't want to pony up the links they are referring to when asked by those outside the secret circle, then they shouldn't be discussing those things on the board.

Check your PM.....I found the link on my own. :)

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I agree FM#1. But if we use Paula's definition it helps me understand what some people are saying.

MOO
Paula's "reason" for Beth's lying is a cop out.

It's just as I posted to No Nic. She's offering an excuse, not a reason.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I sometimes think everyone has me on IGNORE.

MOO No Way!! Not only are you the Link King, you are also the Trivia King.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by No Nic


Thank you, you are also proving my point.

imo
Twist and spin all you want, you have no point.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Check your PM.....I found the link on my own. :)
Rut Roh! The info will be taken down so that it doesn't fall into the 'wrong hands' :eek: :tongue:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom

Rut Roh! The info will be taken down so that it doesn't fall into the 'wrong hands' :eek: :tongue:

It's quite "incredible" as Paula described it.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I sometimes think everyone has me on IGNORE.

MOO

Nah, Silly Goose.

:D

[Narcissist15]

LD......hope you don't take offense by the Silly Goose comment.

It wasn't intented to be offensive or anything like that. ;)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


It's quite "incredible" as Paula described it.

Quite so and boy howdy did he change his song and dance when he was on Abrams with Dompig on 11/23. Wonder if he ever sent Abrams the DVD off his hard drive like he said he would?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some posters are unwilling to provide links or post with certain posters because of the constant rudness, ridicule and gang bullying they receive when posting a link or an opinion?


imo

Sorry No Nic .... I'm back and forth as usual.

No .... I saw Narc ask for a link, which was being discussed among posters. It would have been cool if the link had been posted on the board, so EVERYONE could look it at. Your terminology of "rudeness, ridicule and gang bullying" is your interpretation, No Nic. I saw Narc ask for the link several times, and not once was he ANY of those things.


JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The people that were being asked to PM a link were posting with Narc without any issues.

So now what is the excuse?

If those who want to discuss super secret info and links to such on the board don't want to pony up the links they are referring to when asked by those outside the secret circle, then they shouldn't be discussing those things on the board.

I agree, nm. Besides, hasn't FW asked that links be provided .... especially when a poster is REFERRING to it??

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


You are very close to proving my point, given a little more time, I am sure you will succeed.

It's a free board, we can discuss what we want, if we do not want to include rude posters in the conversation, it is our choice.

imo

Rude posters???

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I agree, nm. Besides, hasn't FW asked that links be provided .... especially when a poster is REFERRING to it??

JMO

The link was to a site prohibited from being posted here, which BTW, is a Joran support site.

We are not obliged to send PM's to anyone.

If I found it, so can everyone else. I used Google search.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I sometimes think everyone has me on IGNORE.

MOO

LOL Luke .... I KNOW the same thing about myself .... ;)

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Check your PM.....I found the link on my own. :)

Narc .... would you please PM it to me also ??

TIA

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Rude posters???
She's probably referring to posts like this one from Paula:

"Given the fact that you stated you would have no doubt in your mind that your daughter had run off, perhaps that's why you can't understand why Beth knows her daughter would not.

Children, whose parents don't care about them, would give their eyetooth to have a mother like Beth."

First she totally misrepresented my answer to her direct question, then she tried to use her bogus version to imply I don't care for my daughter.

I'm being generous referring to the post as merely being rude.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Sorry No Nic .... I'm back and forth as usual.

No .... I saw Narc ask for a link, which was being discussed among posters. It would have been cool if the link had been posted on the board, so EVERYONE could look it at. Your terminology of "rudeness, ridicule and gang bullying" is your interpretation, No Nic. I saw Narc ask for the link several times, and not once was he ANY of those things.


JMO


Narc was targeted yesterday because Paula apparantly didn't like the questions/comments in his post to her and she labeled him as disrespectful. Anyone with eyes can see he wasn't. Next to Unperson Narc is the next most respectful poster (I have to put Un first because she includes a smiley in every post :) )

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The link was to a site prohibited from being posted here, which BTW, is a Joran support site.

We are not obliged to send PM's to anyone.

If I found it, so can everyone else. I used Google search.
That's why Narc asked for the link to be PMed to him.


And the point of discussing something posted on a message board that can't be linked to and refusing to PM the link is....????.....Why even bring it up. If it can't be linked to, it should not be discussed.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Freshwater


I'm gonna agree with Nascarmon on this one. - FH20

I posted the name of the site, which, per your instructions, is prohibited from being linked.

I used Google to search the site.

I posted the name of the site, and gave instructions on where to look for the email.

Should I have violated your order and posted the link here anyway?

TIA for your instructions, should this situation arise again.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Freshwater


I'm gonna agree with Nascarmon on this one. - FH20

What a way to kill a thread, FW.

(Just kidding) :D

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


(snipped)

Should I have violated your order and posted the link here anyway?

TIA for your instructions, should this situation arise again.

See FW, it's questions like this that cause problems. She's trying to bait you.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I posted the name of the site, which, per your instructions, is prohibited from being linked.

I used Google to search the site.

I posted the name of the site, and gave instructions on where to look for the email.

Should I have violated your order and posted the link here anyway?

TIA for your instructions, should this situation arise again.

If it can't be linked, it should not be brought up.

The link request was via a PM, not on the board.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


What a way to kill a thread, FW.

(Just kidding) :D What a way to make me hit the floor with a big THUD. :biggrin:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
LD......hope you don't take offense by the Silly Goose comment.

It wasn't intented to be offensive or anything like that. ;) It reminded me of Mr. Goose. Remember the old potato chip commercial? My name is Goose, Mr. Goose.

MOO:biggrin:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It reminded me of Mr. Goose. Remember the old potato chip commercial? My name is Goose, Mr. Goose.

MOO:biggrin:

Just hope you didn't take offense or think I was calling you names.......

as to the potato chip commercial.....I don't remember...sorry :shrug:

FW...sorry for the kind of OT here

[feelings]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

No.

People who refuse to post a link either have no link, or know their link won't substantiate their claim.

A few posters gamble on posting links that don't prove their point, but they generally get caught by people who take a minute to read the link.

Not posting a link is like lying. There's got to be a reason for it. You're presenting an excuse, not a reason.
is that why you posted your links were not available to you for some reason the other day? You were acting as if you had a link that pro bono was not illegal in Aruba. Were you presenting an excuse for not posting a link which according to you is like lying?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

It has nothing to do with Natalee or her reputation. It has do do with money.

By the time of this interview the cash flow was established. If Joran had been exonerated and there were no other suspects the gravy train would have slowed down dramatically.

Without any suspects Natalee might have been declared a runaway, most people would see the logic of this, and to use one of your favorite expressions, "viola", no more cash at all. (By the way, who is viola?)

And now, Joran's innocence, or Natalee's being found would destroy the safe travel foundation.

No emotion, just logic and rationality.

and quite the imagination! :D

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by feelings

is that why you posted your links were not available to you for some reason the other day? You were acting as if you had a link that pro bono was not illegal in Aruba. Were you presenting an excuse for not posting a link which according to you is like lying?
I told you why I didn't post the link. If you choose not to believe me, fine, but don't accuse me of lying.

If you really want to get into a spitting contest with me, I guarantee you will lose.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes


and quite the imagination! :D
You're confusing imagination with perception.

You tend to confuse things often.

[treetime]

Originally posted by Freshwater


is being Frust-Rated

above or below

R-RATED


:D

just kidding FW

you know me, i cant KELP myself sometimes


<----scurrying away :cool:

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

You're confusing imagination with perception.

You tend to confuse things often.

nope,
I'm not confused at all!

girl in club
girl leaves club with 3 guys
3 guys come back from drive
girl does not
3 guys lie about who what when where and why
more lies
girl still missing
daddy gives guys the low down at poolside meetings
daddy says don't worry, "No body, No case"
girl still missing
presumed dead.
boys no longer talking to each other
boys still have different stories.
common sense sherlock!

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes


nope,
I'm not confused at all!

girl in club
girl leaves club with 3 guys
3 guys come back from drive
girl does not
3 guys lie about who what when where and why
more lies
girl still missing
daddy gives guys the low down at poolside meetings
daddy says don't worry, "No body, No case"
girl still missing
presumed dead.
boys no longer talking to each other
boys still have different stories.
common sense sherlock!
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Same old, same old.

When some evidence turns up, get back to me.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


nope,
I'm not confused at all!

girl in club
girl leaves club with 3 guys
3 guys come back from drive
girl does not
3 guys lie about who what when where and why
more lies
girl still missing
daddy gives guys the low down at poolside meetings
daddy says don't worry, "No body, No case"
girl still missing
presumed dead.
boys no longer talking to each other
boys still have different stories.
common sense sherlock! Woman leaves club with three strangers. Why?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


nope,
I'm not confused at all!

girl in club
girl leaves club with 3 guys
3 guys come back from drive
girl does not
3 guys lie about who what when where and why
more lies
girl still missing
daddy gives guys the low down at poolside meetings
daddy says don't worry, "No body, No case"
girl still missing
presumed dead.
boys no longer talking to each other
boys still have different stories.
common sense sherlock!

Presumed dead :confused: when did that happen

Satish and Deepak aren't speaking? :eek:

why is your daddy saying things to people in Aruba? and when did he say 'don't worry' and when did he say 'no body no case'?

You forgot the most important factor: no evidence a crime was committed.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Presumed dead :confused: when did that happen

Satish and Deepak aren't speaking? :eek:

why is your daddy saying things to people in Aruba? and when did he say 'don't worry' and when did he say 'no body no case'?

You forgot the most important factor: no evidence a crime was committed.


And I think the prosecutor knows more about this case then posters on messageboards. ;)

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Watership Down



And I think the prosecutor knows more about this case then posters on messageboards. ;)

Aruba's prosecutor??????? bwa haha ha ha

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Heyes


nope,
I'm not confused at all!

girl in club
girl leaves club with 3 guys
3 guys come back from drive
girl does not
3 guys lie about who what when where and why
more lies
girl still missing
daddy gives guys the low down at poolside meetings
daddy says don't worry, "No body, No case"
girl still missing
presumed dead.
boys no longer talking to each other
boys still have different stories.
common sense sherlock!

Natalee didn't leave the club with 3 guys. She left the club with Joran. Deepak and Satish were in the car, which could have been mistaken for a taxi.

Joran could have told Natalee that he was heading back to the HI, where she thought he was staying, because he lied about being a student from Holland. The MB crowd thought he was also staying at the HI.

We have only the admitted liar's word, that Natalee wanted to see the sharks. Sadly, I believe she lives among them, and that he put her there, with the help of his father.

IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes


Aruba's prosecutor??????? bwa haha ha ha


Yes Aruba's prosecutor. The one who tried to keep Joran in jail and appealed all of the court rulings and was the hero to many on this board until she said there is no evidence. :rolleyes:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Natalee didn't leave the club with 3 guys. She left the club with Joran. Deepak and Satish were in the car, which could have been mistaken for a taxi.

Joran could have told Natalee that he was heading back to the HI, where she thought he was staying, because he lied about being a student from Holland. The MB crowd thought he was also staying at the HI.

We have only the admitted liar's word, that Natalee wanted to see the sharks. Sadly, I believe she lives among them, and that he put her there.

IMO



And we have only the liar Beth's word that Natalee thought it was a taxi. Something she didn't start claiming until months after Natalee disappeared and it was proven Natalee left willingly with the boys.

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Yes Aruba's prosecutor. The one who tried to keep Joran in jail and appealed all of the court rulings and was the hero to many on this board until she said there is no evidence. :rolleyes:

Don't you remember that was all for show to try & appease the American media so they did'nt catch on to how corrupt Aruba is :rolleyes:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


Aruba's prosecutor??????? bwa haha ha ha If she doesn't know anything, why does Beth want her investigation file so badly?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Natalee didn't leave the club with 3 guys. She left the club with Joran. Deepak and Satish were in the car, which could have been mistaken for a taxi.

Joran could have told Natalee that he was heading back to the HI, where she thought he was staying, because he lied about being a student from Holland. The MB crowd thought he was also staying at the HI.

We have only the admitted liar's word, that Natalee wanted to see the sharks. Sadly, I believe she lives among them, and that he put her there, with the help of his father.

IMO Not according to the signed statements :read:

How did he contact his father to assist him in throwing Natalee in to live with the sharks?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Mama Twitty goes on tv and LIES. 15 months later NO charges.

JUSTICE:rose:

Once again You struggle with CONTEXT. IMO

lol I don't have to struggle anywhere near what joran had to.
Trying to remember all of his lies?

Too bad your rose isn't for Natalee, but whatever.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by redjetta


Don't you remember that was all for show to try & appease the American media so they did'nt catch on to how corrupt Aruba is :rolleyes:


Silly me. How could I forget that.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Natalee didn't leave the club with 3 guys. She left the club with Joran. Deepak and Satish were in the car, which could have been mistaken for a taxi.

Joran could have told Natalee that he was heading back to the HI, where she thought he was staying, because he lied about being a student from Holland. The MB crowd thought he was also staying at the HI.

We have only the admitted liar's word, that Natalee wanted to see the sharks. Sadly, I believe she lives among them, and that he put her there, with the help of his father.

IMO Why did Natalee's friends ask her to get out of a taxi?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down




And we have only the liar Beth's word that Natalee thought it was a taxi. Something she didn't start claiming until months after Natalee disappeared and it was proven Natalee left willingly with the boys.
How many taxi's park in the parking lot of an establishment? How many taxi drivers introduce themselves to their fares?
How many taxi drivers have their fares told 'get out of the car, are you crazy?'
How many taxi drivers have their fares proclaim they are staying with these guys?


Natalee thought it was a taxi. Please.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
If she doesn't know anything, why does Beth want her investigation file so badly?


Excellent point NM. ;)

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Not according to the signed statements :read:

How did he contact his father to assist him in throwing Natalee in to live with the sharks?
Didn't Freshwater say it was OK to speculate as long as the speculation was based on fact.

Are you aware of one single fact that would lead to the conclusion Paulus helped Joran dispose of Natalee's body in the ocean?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom

How many taxi's park in the parking lot of an establishment? How many taxi drivers introduce themselves to their fares?
How many taxi drivers have their fares told 'get out of the car, are you crazy?'
How many taxi drivers have their fares proclaim they are staying with these guys?


Natalee thought it was a taxi. Please.


Shoot...how many taxi's park behind a business? Not a good way to get customers. :tongue:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


lol I don't have to struggle anywhere near what joran had to.
Trying to remember all of his lies?

Too bad your rose isn't for Natalee, but whatever. He doesn't have near as hard a time of it as Beth does. She can't even remember what story she told about how Natalee got the airport, is she called anyone a rapist and if she had a conversation with Joran that first night.....just to name a few.

Justice for Joran :rose:

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Why did Natalee's friends ask her to get out of a taxi?

you mean if they asked her......
but IF they did i would imagine they figured the 3 guys were up to no good. and they were right!!!!!
Turns out the 3 suspects were up to no good.
now natalee's gone.
NO body No case, hats off to daddy VDS for that little gem.
wonder what they ended up doing with that sweet young lady?
in the ocean? buried? Where is she joran?

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by nascarmom

How many taxi's park in the parking lot of an establishment? How many taxi drivers introduce themselves to their fares?
How many taxi drivers have their fares told 'get out of the car, are you crazy?'
How many taxi drivers have their fares proclaim they are staying with these guys?

Natalee thought it was a taxi. Please.
Who was Satish supposed to have been? The navigator? Mechanic? Relief driver?

Oh.........I know. Since Deepak's taxi didn't have a meter, Satish was going to compile time and distance and compute the fare.

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. Beth has told 20 Lies for any one that Joran told. IMO

Doubtful, but jorans lies all lead to Natalee's demise.
:rose: for Natalee and Beth.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
He doesn't have near as hard a time of it as Beth does. She can't even remember what story she told about how Natalee got the airport, is she called anyone a rapist and if she had a conversation with Joran that first night.....just to name a few.

Justice for Joran :rose:


Car covered in blood, Joran cleaned the car top to bottom for 10 days, Joran said in his statement that he took Natalee to his house and had sex with her, Joran admitted sexually assaulting Natalee as she drifted in and out of consciousness...to add a few more.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Shoot...how many taxi's park behind a business? Not a good way to get customers. :tongue: Yeah, you would go out back to the parking lot if you drove there, not if you needed to catch a taxi. Even the confused MB children who were rushed out of CnC's when it suddenly closed didn't go in back to catch their taxis or the Bus back to the hotel or on to the next bar.

What an insult to Natalee to say she thought she was catching a taxi in a parking lot :rolleyes:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. Beth has told 20 Lies for any one that Joran told. IMO

"20" is Joran's number, not Beth's. :D

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


Doubtful, but jorans lies all lead to Natalee's demise.


Oh, and how do they do that?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


"20" is Joran's number, not Beth's. :D You're right, it's more like 40:1

[Heyes]

Originally posted by nascarmom
He doesn't have near as hard a time of it as Beth does. She can't even remember what story she told about how Natalee got the airport, is she called anyone a rapist and if she had a conversation with Joran that first night.....just to name a few.

Justice for Joran :rose:


lmao@ this one!
Now you might be on to something had beth been a suspect , or even been anywhere near the island. Surprise! your suspects are the ones with the victim at the time in question.
and that would be your darling joran, oh and the other two that unfortunaly don't get the defense on here near as much as the dutch guy.
why is that?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. Just one of many Mama Twitty LIES! IMO:seeya:

nope not a lie
joran is the one who is the proven liar.

lmao
:rose: justice for natalee

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes



lmao@ this one!
Now you might be on to something had beth been a suspect , or even been anywhere near the island. Surprise! your suspects are the ones with the victim at the time in question.
and that would be your darling joran, oh and the other two that unfortunaly don't get the defense on here near as much as the dutch guy.
why is that?


Why is the parent of a victim lying at all? Name one innocent parent of a missing child who has told as many lies as Beth.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Who was Satish supposed to have been? The navigator? Mechanic? Relief driver?

Oh.........I know. Since Deepak's taxi didn't have a meter, Satish was going to compile time and distance and compute the fare. I bet there is an abacus in the glove box to help compute fares.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes



lmao@ this one!
Now you might be on to something had beth been a suspect , or even been anywhere near the island. Surprise! your suspects are the ones with the victim at the time in question.
and that would be your darling joran, oh and the other two that unfortunaly don't get the defense on here near as much as the dutch guy.
why is that?
What victim :confused:

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Why is the parent of a victim lying at all? Name one innocent parent of a missing child who has told as many lies as Beth.

name one time joran ever told the truth.








I can see why his parents put his butt out back in separate housing.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes


name one time joran ever told the truth.








I can see why his parents put his butt out back in separate housing.


Can't answer huh? Beth is the only parent of a missing child who has ever lied as much as she does.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes

<snip>
I can see why his parents put his butt out back in separate housing.
They rewarded him for lying? Shouldn't they have washed his mouth out with soap?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL . It will be even sweeter when their "suspect" status is up next June. Even sweeter than Jorans freedom to be with any girl he wants on the Beaches of ArubA.

JUSTICE PREVAILS:rose: IMO

Then Beth will have to deal with reality.:hat:

sure hope he keeps his lying butt in aruba. be a real shame if he tried it here. lol

heaven help the girls that leave with joran, you may get home, you may not.
kind of a crap shoot!

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


name one time joran ever told the truth.








I can see why his parents put his butt out back in separate housing.

Name one time Beth ever told the truth.

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Nope. It's all Beth exposed and that's why the years will pass by and all we will see is more tears and LIES. LOL

Justice:rose:

stealing from tree here.....



LOAD ALERT!

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Name one time Beth ever told the truth.



When she said her name is Beth? :shrug:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


sure hope he keeps his lying butt in aruba. be a real shame if he tried it here. lol

heaven help the girls that leave with joran, you may get home, you may not.
kind of a crap shoot! Tried what here? :confused:

Haven't heard anyone complaining, except a bunch of people on message boards.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down




When she said her name is Beth? :shrug: But according to the lawsuit, it's Elizabeth

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. I can see why Natalee wanted a break from Hitlers sister as well as Dave and Jug. LMAO:hat: imo



ROFLMAO

dave and jug too now, huh?
lol
ain't gonna work but as long as your having fun.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

They rewarded him for lying? Shouldn't they have washed his mouth out with soap? Noooooo, it's the perfect place for 'time out'.

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Can't answer huh? Beth is the only parent of a missing child who has ever lied as much as she does.

lol ok there WD, Where is the IMO?
I don't think she's a liar
I think the primary suspect is the liar!
oh and his two sidekicks that you all don't seem to care as much about.


Good pr machine there paul.
perhaps you might want to help the kalpoe brothers too! LMAO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes


lol ok there WD, Where is the IMO?
I don't think she's a liar
I think the primary suspect is the liar!
oh and his two sidekicks that you all don't seem to care as much about.


Good pr machine there paul.
perhaps you might want to help the kalpoe brothers too! LMAO


It doesn't matter what you think. The proof has been posted. She has lied and lied and lied some more.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


you mean if they asked her......
but IF they did i would imagine they figured the 3 guys were up to no good. and they were right!!!!!
Turns out the 3 suspects were up to no good.
now natalee's gone.
NO body No case, hats off to daddy VDS for that little gem.
wonder what they ended up doing with that sweet young lady?
in the ocean? buried? Where is she joran? Thank you for the reply Heyes.

Yes, I did mean why would her friends ask her to get out of a taxi if they did ask her? Do you mean if they figured the 3 guys were up to know good?

This situation didn't happen instantly but over a period of time. Dancing, belly shot, talking, leaving, waiting, etc. But her friends who may have thought the 3 guys were up to no good, did not seem to display their concern.

MOO

[Heyes]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Name one time Beth ever told the truth.

or name all the times she was repeating what she had heard from all the so called "aruban officials" lol

Beth is Not the liar
JORAN is the liar, and may I add, the primary suspect who can't get a judge to release him off suspect status. can't beat that! well done joran. lol

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


lol ok there WD, Where is the IMO?
I don't think she's a liar
I think the primary suspect is the liar!
oh and his two sidekicks that you all don't seem to care as much about.


Good pr machine there paul.
perhaps you might want to help the kalpoe brothers too! LMAO
She is a liar and it's been proven.

No one has ever denied the suspects lied.

PR machine? What are you talking about?????

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Heyes


or name all the times she was repeating what she had heard from all the so called "aruban officials" lol

Beth is Not the liar
JORAN is the liar, and may I add, the primary suspect who can't get a judge to release him off suspect status. can't beat that! well done joran. lol

You may be able to blame some of the lies on that but what about the lie she told on Dayside where she states that she NEVER called Joran a rapist, murderer, or a kidnapper.

imo

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. Nice try......lmao.

JUSTICE:rose:

It is dangerous dating Joran.
He's like Russian roulette.
You may live, you may die.

You may never be seen again. (shudder)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Heyes




ROFLMAO

dave and jug too now, huh?
lol
ain't gonna work but as long as your having fun.

All I can say, Heyes, is what kind of "human being" can be so gleeful over a mother losing her only daughter? What would cause someone to act like this? It's a sick, sick world we live in.

IMO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Heyes


It is dangerous dating Joran.
He's like Russian roulette.
You may live, you may die.

You may never be seen again. (shudder)

Where are his other "victims" then?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes


or name all the times she was repeating what she had heard from all the so called "aruban officials" lol

Beth is Not the liar
JORAN is the liar, and may I add, the primary suspect who can't get a judge to release him off suspect status. can't beat that! well done joran. lol


When you repeat a lie that you know is a lie you are still lying. The misinformation defense doesn't float.

But just for giggles....who told her she dropped Natalee off at the airport instead of at the friends house that she originally claimed? Who fed her that little bit of misinformation?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


or name all the times she was repeating what she had heard from all the so called "aruban officials" lol

Beth is Not the liar
JORAN is the liar, and may I add, the primary suspect who can't get a judge to release him off suspect status. can't beat that! well done joran. lol
Which Aruban official told her she heard Joran admit in front of 10 people that he sexually assaulted Natalee?

Which Aruban official told her she never called anyone a rapist?

Which Aruban official official told her it took 36 hours to find the police?

Which Aruban official told her Deepak confessed on tape?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Watership Down



It doesn't matter what you think. The proof has been posted. She has lied and lied and lied some more.


You mean HE lied and lied and lied some more don't ya?

Of course we all know joran wouldn't know the truth if it kicked him in his hiney! lmao




:rose: = strength for Beth while dealing with this garbage
:rose: for Natalee

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


It is dangerous dating Joran.
He's like Russian roulette.
You may live, you may die.

You may never be seen again. (shudder)

Now this one over the top post.

You got a link to anyone dying or vanishing after dating Joran?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Thank you for the reply Heyes.

Yes, I did mean why would her friends ask her to get out of a taxi if they did ask her? Do you mean if they figured the 3 guys were up to know good?

This situation didn't happen instantly but over a period of time. Dancing, belly shot, talking, leaving, waiting, etc. But her friends who may have thought the 3 guys were up to no good, did not seem to display their concern.

MOO

It happened in a half hour!

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes



You mean HE lied and lied and lied some more don't ya?

Of course we all know joran wouldn't know the truth if it kicked him in his hiney! lmao






LMAO !

[Heyes]

Originally posted by nascarmom

She is a liar and it's been proven.

No one has ever denied the suspects lied.

PR machine? What are you talking about?????

Beth's supposed lies have only been proven by a handful of people on a message board, LMAO again

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Most intelligent people recognize Beths Lies and most people just humour her because she is so far gone anyway.IMO:seeya:

Tell that to the many many schools that invite her, and the sheriffs association that backs her.
lol

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Most intelligent people recognize Beths Lies and most people just humour her because she is so far gone anyway.IMO:seeya:

Ok, let's just say you're right. Beth lies, Beth caused the investigation to be a mess..... My question is: So what? Even if she were institutionalized as a mental patient again I ask: SO what? Does that mean she DID NOT LOSE HER CHILD? Whether she lies is irrelevant.

Please explain to me why it matters in the least what Beth Twitty does or says... How does anything she does or says impact on what happened to Natalee? Beth wasn't in Aruba when Natalee went on her trip. I think we all can agree on that. She didn't have anything to do with her disappearance.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes



You mean HE lied and lied and lied some more don't ya?

Of course we all know joran wouldn't know the truth if it kicked him in his hiney! lmao




:rose: = strength for Beth while dealing with this garbage
:rose: for Natalee


No I said exactly what I meant to say....she lied and lied and lied some more.

Dropped Natalee off at a friends house for the trip to the airport.

Dropped Natalee off at the airport.

Deepak's car was covered in blood.

Joran cleaned the car from top to bottom for 10 days straight.

Joran said in his statement that he took Natalee to his house and had sex with her.

Joran admitted assaulting Natalee while she was drifting in and out of consciousness.

She never talked to Joran that first night.

She told Joran she wanted her daughter back when she talked to him that first night.

I could find more if I really wanted to but this is enough to prove my point. Suspects lie. That is a given. Innocent parents of missing children don't lie. Beth has told so many lies she can't count them on both hands.

[Heyes]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Now this one over the top post.

You got a link to anyone dying or vanishing after dating Joran?

Yeah! Natalee, remember her? she's the one that vanished after dating joran.

Over the top, pffft

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


No one. We are all for Natalee.........what is sick is trying to railroad a young man/boy of rape and murder so he can suffer. It's wrong and Beth needs to learn that.......it's not all about her. Sick Sick Sick. IMO Exactly!

Well the tide has turned and Joran isn't suffering, he won the ruling on the civil suit case and his father won the max amt of florins from the Prosecutor throwing him in jail just to pressure Joran.

Sweet Justice :rose:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


Yeah! Natalee, remember her? she's the one that vanished after dating joran.

Over the top, pffft

Uh, she didn't 'date' Joran. :read:

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. We've seen her Lies over the past year. She's pathological. IMO .......but entertaining at least.

How is this relevant to the case?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Ok, let's just say you're right. Beth lies, Beth caused the investigation to be a mess..... My question is: So what? Even if she were institutionalized as a mental patient again I ask: SO what? Does that mean she DID NOT LOSE HER CHILD? Whether she lies is irrelevant.

Please explain to me why it matters in the least what Beth Twitty does or says... How does anything she does or says impact on what happened to Natalee? Beth wasn't in Aruba when Natalee went on her trip. I think we all can agree on that. She didn't have anything to do with her disappearance.

I know silly isn't it?
they think beth stashed natlee away somewhere so she could make a killing off her travel speeches! lmao again!

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


How is this relevant to the case?


Beth is a public figure. Her words are open for discussion.

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by T.O Jays



Are you serious?????? Why should a boy/young man have to go to jail for rape and murder ......so Beth can be right and have "closure" . I don't think so, it's not all about her.......others are living their life too. IMO

Yes I am serious! Why do you think I think Beth has to be right or have closure. Who cares? Again... why is this such an important (althought irrelevant to the case) issue for you?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Ok, let's just say you're right. Beth lies, Beth caused the investigation to be a mess..... My question is: So what? Even if she were institutionalized as a mental patient again I ask: SO what? Does that mean she DID NOT LOSE HER CHILD? Whether she lies is irrelevant.

Please explain to me why it matters in the least what Beth Twitty does or says... How does anything she does or says impact on what happened to Natalee? Beth wasn't in Aruba when Natalee went on her trip. I think we all can agree on that. She didn't have anything to do with her disappearance.

Neither did J2k :shrug:

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Watership Down



No I said exactly what I meant to say....she lied and lied and lied some more.

Dropped Natalee off at a friends house for the trip to the airport.

Dropped Natalee off at the airport.

Deepak's car was covered in blood.

Joran cleaned the car from top to bottom for 10 days straight.

Joran said in his statement that he took Natalee to his house and had sex with her.

Joran admitted assaulting Natalee while she was drifting in and out of consciousness.

She never talked to Joran that first night.

She told Joran she wanted her daughter back when she talked to him that first night.

I could find more if I really wanted to but this is enough to prove my point. Suspects lie. That is a given. Innocent parents of missing children don't lie. Beth has told so many lies she can't count them on both hands.


Hogwash!
prove that none of that happened.
all you go by is jorans word.
which is in itself laughable.

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Beth is a public figure. Her words are open for discussion.

True but again I ask: How are her words relevant to the case of the dissapearance of Natalee Holloway?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


How is this relevant to the case? Because Beth made public statements :read:

[Heyes]

Originally posted by No Nic


All I can say, Heyes, is what kind of "human being" can be so gleeful over a mother losing her only daughter? What would cause someone to act like this? It's a sick, sick world we live in.

IMO

Only someone who places more value on a proven, lying primary suspect than an sweet young gal and her mom.
did ya really expect more? lmao

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes



Hogwash!
prove that none of that happened.
all you go by is jorans word.
which is in itself laughable. well which version of Beth's many stories is one supposed to prove happened or not :shrug:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


Only someone who places more value on a proven, lying primary suspect than an sweet young gal and her mom.
did ya really expect more? lmao

Primary suspect? What exactly does that mean?

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Because Beth made public statements :read:

Ok what I am hearing (I Know you will correct me if I am mis-representing your sentiments) is that Beth's statement may be slanderous and/or defaming etc... Let's ask the waters to open up a new forum called "Beth Twitty: Slanderous liar? " and discuss endlessly what she lied about, contridictions in all these public statements - that's a seperate issue entirely.. Again: How is that relevant to the Natalee Holloway Case?

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Heyes


Only someone who places more value on a proven, lying primary suspect than an sweet young gal and her mom.
<snip>
Do you know what the word "specious" means?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Joran didn't rape or murder or kidnap Natalee.

well he's got a strange way of looking innocent!


I think he did kidnap rape and murder natalee,

next..........

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Heyes



Hogwash!
prove that none of that happened.
all you go by is jorans word.
which is in itself laughable.


I go by Jorans word about how Natalee got to the airport for the trip to Aruba? I go by his word about whether Beth talked to him that night? Hate to burst your bubble but those all came from Beth. Links have been posted ad nauseum. :rolleyes:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


I know silly isn't it?
they think beth stashed natlee away somewhere so she could make a killing off her travel speeches! lmao again! Have you seen the theories of gang rape and dead body stashing and dead body moving and cover ups that span countries and corruption that spans governments and 17yo mastermind criminals with psychic abilities?

LMAO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Heyes


I know silly isn't it?
they think beth stashed natlee away somewhere so she could make a killing off her travel speeches! lmao again!

This isnt what my opinion is!

Alot of people are convinced that J2K are guilty of something because they lied - right? Well some won't excepet their explantion for the lies- ok. Some say that you don't lie unless you have something to hide - right?

Now on the other hand I see a grieveing mother who is also lying - do I think she harmed Natalee or was involved heck no however why would she be lying? If you have a certain logic about why people lie why does it not apply to Mrs.Twitty? Do I like seeing a mother who is in pain over her daughters disapperence NO WAY! But I will not give her a free pass because she is in pain.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Ok what I am hearing (I Know you will correct me if I am mis-representing your sentiments) is that Beth's statement may be slanderous and/or defaming etc... Let's ask the waters to open up a new forum called "Beth Twitty: Slanderous liar? " and discuss endlessly what she lied about, contridictions in all these public statements - that's a seperate issue entirely.. Again: How is that relevant to the Natalee Holloway Case?


One of the waters....Freshwater....is the one who said Beth's words were open for discussion because she is a public figure and puts herself in the media soptlight when she does interviews and speeches. And it is relevant to the Natalee Holloway case because she is Natalee's mother, who lies about some of the smallest things in this case.

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Thats because you don't care about evidence......maybe you and Beth were seperated at birth or something. Next........

IMO

How is this kind of exchange helpful?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Have you seen the theories of gang rape and dead body stashing and dead body moving and cover ups that span countries and corruption that spans governments and 17yo mastermind criminals with psychic abilities?

LMAO


you'll have to ask dompig about the body moving.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


well he's got a strange way of looking innocent!


I think he did kidnap rape and murder natalee,

next..........

He is innocent, the law demands it.

you have no proof of any kidnap, rape or murder.

next.................

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes



you'll have to ask dompig about the body moving. When was Dompig posting at CTV?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


She has been trying to obtain a false conviction using a boycott and Lies.So Joran can "suffer". She's an extremely vindictive person and we don't want an innocent kid to be railroaded. IMO

Joran is not even close to an "innocent kid".

lol

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by Watership Down



One of the waters....Freshwater....is the one who said Beth's words were open for discussion because she is a public figure and puts herself in the media soptlight when she does interviews and speeches. And it is relevant to the Natalee Holloway case because she is Natalee's mother, who lies about some of the smallest things in this case.

Yup. I recall that. But just because we can discuss something doesn't mean we should. Why the desire to talk endless about the mother of a missing girl? How is this helpful or informative?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. Too funny! :D

Why is that funny? It is the truth, can you handle it that someone more knowledgable/credible than you continues to back Beth Holloway 100%. THAT would be the reality you fail to see!! All your gleeful laughing and "go Joran"s mean nothing in the real world.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Yup. I recall that. But just because we can discuss something doesn't mean we should. Why the desire to talk endless about the mother of a missing girl? How is this helpful or informative?


Because we are trying to find answers as to why the mother of a missing person is lying. If it bothers you so much then just scroll right on past my posts because I will post about Beth and her lies.

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


LOL. Nice try. I notice you don't have a problem with people calling Joran a murderer based on no evidence:rolleyes: imo

Nice try right back at ya! I do have a problem with people rushing to judgements based on limited evidence. Have a BIG problem with people closing off avenues of inquiry because of that rush.

Please don't roll your eyes at me. Otherwise I'll have to roll mine back and by the end of the night we'll both be dizzy.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Heyes


Joran is not even close to an "innocent kid".

lol He most certainly is.

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Nice try right back at ya! I do have a problem with people rushing to judgements based on limited evidence.
<snip>
You think there's "limited evidence" in this case?

Did you share it with the prosecutor?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


or name all the times she was repeating what she had heard from all the so called "aruban officials" lol

Beth is Not the liar
JORAN is the liar, and may I add, the primary suspect who can't get a judge to release him off suspect status. can't beat that! well done joran. lol Most of the time we have an LE person giving out information, perhaps a press release. This case seems so strange having Beth be the spokesperson for so many people.

Natalee's friends probably don't want to be brutally honest when called for. So, they may just use the soft sell with Beth.
But the witnesses hopefully tell ALE the truth. Then when ALE tells Beth, Beth has to be confused.

What we hear from Beth is probably the best version of what she has heard from several sources.


MOO

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Because we are trying to find answers as to why the mother of a missing person is lying. If it bothers you so much then just scroll right on past my posts because I will post about Beth and her lies.

Yes, you are right. I do have that option. It is interesting that you want to spend alot of time trying to figure out why the mother of a missing girl lies. You use alot of band width to reinterate the same statements over and over and over and over and over. If it pleases you so then... well..... that is your option too.

[court~critic1®]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Yup. I recall that. But just because we can discuss something doesn't mean we should. Why the desire to talk endless about the mother of a missing girl? How is this helpful or informative?


Because the female parent of the missing girl is going on TV and etc making pretension, and telling lies to garner monies for her own use. How is that finding her daughter????

IMOHOO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Yes I am serious! Why do you think I think Beth has to be right or have closure. Who cares? Again... why is this such an important (althought irrelevant to the case) issue for you?

To me this is a realevant subject. This whole case has been played out throught the media with Beth being at the center. When she is embellishing & saying certain things were said when the police cheif at the time is saying the complete opposite what is the public to think? IMO Beth was doing this for more publicity for Natalees story when their is no direct edvidence I guess beef it up to try & coaobertate what her belief was. Although I can see the place Beth was coming from (justice for Natalee no matter what) however you simply cannot do these things.

ALL MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Yes, you are right. I do have that option. It is interesting that you want to spend alot of time trying to figure out why the mother of a missing girl lies. You use alot of band width to reinterate the same statements over and over and over and over and over. If it pleases you so then... well..... that is your option too.


It uses considerably less bandwidth than was used roboposting the same links over and over again every day. It uses considerably less bandwidth than what is used to post "Joran lies" over and over again every day. And who knows...maybe someday someone will come up with an intelligent answer for why the mother of a missing person lies as much as Beth does. So until them I will continue posting about her lies.

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


If you want to go along with beth go ahead. I'm sick of her and her lies and will state my opinions as you can state yours. I'm still celebrating her civil suit loss and will continue to celebrate Justice for Joran......so happy he is out there enjoying Life........looks good on her. :seeya: IMO

Ok expose the lies. They are irrelevant to the case. Be happy for Joran if that pleases you. But why find joy in a mother suffers (crazy or not)? Why is that necessary or appropriate?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


It is dangerous dating Joran.
He's like Russian roulette.
You may live, you may die.

You may never be seen again. (shudder) Are you suggesting Natalee was dating Joran?

MOO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Why is that funny? It is the truth, can you handle it that someone more knowledgable/credible than you continues to back Beth Holloway 100%. THAT would be the reality you fail to see!! All your gleeful laughing and "go Joran"s mean nothing in the real world.

imo You have proof the schools or SA know the facts of the case and all about the lies Beth has told? Do you think they know it didn't take her anywhere close to 36 hours to find the police? Do you think they know Congressman Bachus was contacted the day after Beth got the initial phone call and he contacted the FBI, the Aruban gvt and consulate office and that Beth's claim of having to figure out the 'infrastructure' of the Aruban gvt to 'find someone who could help' is just another big fat lie???

Oh and her Safe Travels says 15 states endorse her. Another lie, it's SA in 15 states that 'endorse' her :rolleyes:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Heyes


Only someone who places more value on a proven, lying primary suspect than an sweet young gal and her mom.
did ya really expect more? lmao

Until started posting on this board, yes Heyes, I DID expect more. I did not know how hateful people could be towards someone they have never met, someone who has lost her only daughter. Disagree with her if you want, but these people go WAY over the top with it.

IMO, MOO IMOO, IMHO, etc etc

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by Watership Down



It uses considerably less bandwidth than was used roboposting the same links over and over again every day. It uses considerably less bandwidth than what is used to post "Joran lies" over and over again every day. And who knows...maybe someday someone will come up with an intelligent answer for why the mother of a missing person lies as much as Beth does. So until them I will continue posting about her lies.

Yes but the inconsistancies in the story of the last known person to see Natalee alive are VERY RELEVANT to the case. Ranting "joran lies" is not.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Watership Down



When you repeat a lie that you know is a lie you are still lying. The misinformation defense doesn't float.

But just for giggles....who told her she dropped Natalee off at the airport instead of at the friends house that she originally claimed? Who fed her that little bit of misinformation? Just guessing but it was likely the PR person she hired immediately.

MOO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Whatever. What trial is pending against Joran? Oh that's right there isn't one.:)

Justice:rose: There aren't even charges pending :shrug:

[Helping Hand]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


She has been trying to obtain a false conviction using a boycott and Lies.So Joran can "suffer". She's an extremely vindictive person and we don't want an innocent kid to be railroaded. IMO

Thank you

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes



lmao@ this one!
Now you might be on to something had beth been a suspect , or even been anywhere near the island. Surprise! your suspects are the ones with the victim at the time in question.
and that would be your darling joran, oh and the other two that unfortunaly don't get the defense on here near as much as the dutch guy.
why is that?

"Your darling joran"????????

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Heyes


It happened in a half hour! Her fiends could not stop her in half an hour?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Until started posting on this board, yes Heyes, I DID expect more. I did not know how hateful people could be towards someone they have never met, someone who has lost her only daughter. Disagree with her if you want, but these people go WAY over the top with it.

IMO, MOO IMOO, IMHO, etc etc If you want to see hate, take a look at the things said about Joran and some of the wishes wished upon him.

Way over the top is calling someone who hasn't even been charged with a crime a raper, kidnapper and murderer, and on some days, those are the nicer things said.

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Who was Satish supposed to have been? The navigator? Mechanic? Relief driver?

Oh.........I know. Since Deepak's taxi didn't have a meter, Satish was going to compile time and distance and compute the fare.

Or either those tricky foreign cars take 2 people to drive. One to steer and one to work the brakes/gas.

[redjetta]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


"Your darling joran"????????

Oh yeah didnt you hear anyone who questions his guilt is in love with him & is a very sick sick person?

Why is it that when some have differing opinions they have to classify you in these ways?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Ok, let's just say you're right. Beth lies, Beth caused the investigation to be a mess..... My question is: So what? Even if she were institutionalized as a mental patient again I ask: SO what? Does that mean she DID NOT LOSE HER CHILD? Whether she lies is irrelevant.

Please explain to me why it matters in the least what Beth Twitty does or says... How does anything she does or says impact on what happened to Natalee? Beth wasn't in Aruba when Natalee went on her trip. I think we all can agree on that. She didn't have anything to do with her disappearance. Beth's actions are very relevant if they caused Natalee to not go home. Each of us has to ask, would Natalee want to go home?

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Watership Down



No I said exactly what I meant to say....she lied and lied and lied some more.

Dropped Natalee off at a friends house for the trip to the airport.

Dropped Natalee off at the airport.

Deepak's car was covered in blood.

Joran cleaned the car from top to bottom for 10 days straight.

Joran said in his statement that he took Natalee to his house and had sex with her.

Joran admitted assaulting Natalee while she was drifting in and out of consciousness.

She never talked to Joran that first night.

She told Joran she wanted her daughter back when she talked to him that first night.

I could find more if I really wanted to but this is enough to prove my point. Suspects lie. That is a given. Innocent parents of missing children don't lie. Beth has told so many lies she can't count them on both hands. Imagine how hard it would be to live with someone like that? How hard would it be if they controlled your life? If they planned your future?

MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by T.O Jays


Whatever.
<snipped>


That's your answer?

It's okay, because, IMO, you DO know that in the REAL WORLD, Beth is very respected and much in demand for the knowledge she was forced to learn while in Aruba watching the farce of an investigation of her disappeared (Aruban word) daughter.

imo

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


Beth's supposed lies have only been proven by a handful of people on a message board, LMAO again

Well, I think the ONE particular lie .... where she said she had never called Joran et al kidnappers, rapists and murderers, was proven to a nationwide audience on the DAYSIDE program.\

JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic


Until started posting on this board, yes Heyes, I DID expect more. I did not know how hateful people could be towards someone they have never met, someone who has lost her only daughter. Disagree with her if you want, but these people go WAY over the top with it.

IMO, MOO IMOO, IMHO, etc etc

They believe the moderator condones it, simply because FW said Beth's statements can be discussed.

IMO, boundaries need to be set on this board. Rarely is Natalee discussed here, and only then in the context of blaming her mother for her own daughter's demise, as if Beth, a normal mother, doesn't regret letting Natalee go to Aruba, despite the fact that the more than 100 other MB students arrived home safely.

Moms blame themselves for taking their little ones to the park when they get injured. Can you imagne how Beth feels? I've never witnesed such cruelty towards a victim's mother, although Sharon Rocha and Ron Grantski came mighty close, and by many of the same posters too.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Exactly!

Well the tide has turned and Joran isn't suffering, he won the ruling on the civil suit case and his father won the max amt of florins from the Prosecutor throwing him in jail just to pressure Joran.

Sweet Justice :rose: I'm not sure Paulus was awarded the maximum amount, part of the award was lawyer fees. Unless that is included in the maximum but I would doubt that.

MOO

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
If you want to see hate, take a look at the things said about Joran and some of the wishes wished upon him.

Way over the top is calling someone who hasn't even been charged with a crime a raper, kidnapper and murderer, and on some days, those are the nicer things said.

raper?? :confused:

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes



Hogwash!
prove that none of that happened.
all you go by is jorans word.
which is in itself laughable.

Here again, Heyes .... That's not the way this is supposed to work!! How can people prove a negative???

JMO

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


raper?? :confused:
Yes, raper.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/raper

You really shouldn't be so fast to criticize.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Helping Hand


Ok what I am hearing (I Know you will correct me if I am mis-representing your sentiments) is that Beth's statement may be slanderous and/or defaming etc... Let's ask the waters to open up a new forum called "Beth Twitty: Slanderous liar? " and discuss endlessly what she lied about, contridictions in all these public statements - that's a seperate issue entirely.. Again: How is that relevant to the Natalee Holloway Case? It is evidence as to Natalee's state of mind at the time. Did she want to go home? What Beth says has a direct bearing.

MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
You have proof the schools or SA know the facts of the case and all about the lies Beth has told? Do you think they know it didn't take her anywhere close to 36 hours to find the police? Do you think they know Congressman Bachus was contacted the day after Beth got the initial phone call and he contacted the FBI, the Aruban gvt and consulate office and that Beth's claim of having to figure out the 'infrastructure' of the Aruban gvt to 'find someone who could help' is just another big fat lie???

Oh and her Safe Travels says 15 states endorse her. Another lie, it's SA in 15 states that 'endorse' her :rolleyes:

Blah, Blah, Blah, that is all I see in your post. Beth has the support of the schools and the SA, both have made public statements on that very subject. Their statements are enough for me and they would be for you if they were opposite of support for Beth.

Now I will be done with you.

:seeya:

imo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Yes, raper.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/raper

You really shouldn't be so fast to criticize.

I wasn't criticizing.

I was confused as to why someone would use the slang and rarely used word for "rapist."

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


I wasn't criticizing.

I was confused as to why someone would use the slang and rarely used word for "rapist."
Slang?

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by Heyes


well he's got a strange way of looking innocent!


I think he did kidnap rape and murder natalee,

next..........

A strange way of looking innocent???

The Prosecutor has stated there's no evidence against him. That's about as good as it gets, I would say ....

Now you think he DID kidnap, rape and murder her. What evidence do YOU have that the Prosecutor doesn't??? I would venture a guess .... she is much more familiar with this case than you OR me.

JMO

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


They believe the moderator condones it, simply because FW said Beth's statements can be discussed.

IMO, boundaries need to be set on this board. Rarely is Natalee discussed here, and only then in the context of blaming her mother for her own daughter's demise, as if Beth, a normal mother, doesn't regret letting Natalee go to Aruba, despite the fact that the more than 100 other MB students arrived home safely.

Moms blame themselves for taking their little ones to the park when they get injured. Can you imagne how Beth feels? I've never witnesed such cruelty towards a victim's mother, although Sharon Rocha and Ron Grantski came mighty close, and by many of the same posters too.

IMO

FW is around alot if she/he has a problem then we will all be advised

imo

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


They believe the moderator condones it, simply because FW said Beth's statements can be discussed.

IMO, boundaries need to be set on this board. Rarely is Natalee discussed here, and only then in the context of blaming her mother for her own daughter's demise, as if Beth, a normal mother, doesn't regret letting Natalee go to Aruba, despite the fact that the more than 100 other MB students arrived home safely.

Moms blame themselves for taking their little ones to the park when they get injured. Can you imagne how Beth feels? I've never witnesed such cruelty towards a victim's mother, although Sharon Rocha and Ron Grantski came mighty close, and by many of the same posters too.

IMO

So, it's a pattern with them? This is my first case here on CTV so I have no history with the posters. If they are like this in every case, then it is even sadder and more distrubing than I thought.

imo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Slang?

Yes. Try the Urban Dictionary (Slang dictionary)

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raper

[redjetta]

Originally posted by Freshwater
I'm beginning to wonder if civility is possible in this case. Both sides are so entrenched that you seems to simply yell out each other with out anyone listening! And I'll give a big shout out & THANK YOU to those in the middle just trying to figure out what might have, could have happened to Natalee.

I've actively spent time cleaning, PMing posters, putting up public notices, re-organizing the forum..... and still Posters have posted links to what I would classify as hate sites (I remove those quickly!!!), links to other blogs, slam others for asking questions, and make this case personal by accussing other posters of ... not being too bright, being a bad parent, not knowing the facts, etc..etc...etc..... fill in the blank here.


So I ask can there be civility or shall I begin banning anyone who voilates the "spirit" of this board, engages in personal attacks, or violates CTV & TOS regulations? I'm beginning to believe without constant banning a civil environment is not possible.

Very Frustrated

FH20

[Gregor's Back]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Yes. Try the Urban Dictionary (Slang dictionary)

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raper
You are aware the Urban Dictionary is as much a dictionary as Wikpedia is an encyclopedia, aren't you?

Let's face it. You took a shot at embarrassing nascarmom, and it backfired. Why don't you just apologize to her?