DISCUSSION THREAD WEEK OF 8/14

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


<snip>

ETA: I reserve the word "lie" for something malicious, as in what the suspects did. It would have been nice if you revealed that months ago.


Obviously Skeeter making a fake tape is ok because that isn't malicious.
MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I sent you the link in a PM with instructions.

Thanks, will have a look when I get home.

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by No Nic


And where would you expect her to be? Hiding is a darkened room crying her eyes out?

Not hardly, Beth is going to do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to find what happened to her daughter. The releasing of the statements is only the tip of the iceberg. Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

imo

No I don't, No Nic. Not at all. I have never said that.

What I meant to convey is that BECAUSE she is at the forefront of this case .... her TV appearances are frequent .... you all should expect criticism of her actions.

I've seen this for 3-4 days now, about the "statements", always with the "tease" there's going to be much more. The "statements" didn't prove anything at all to me, as far as their guilt in kidnapping, raping and murdering. There was no proof of any crime in them. I'm looking forward to the rest of this "iceberg".

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There is no way for that sentence to make any sense, whatsoever, in conjuction with "and you' d be surprised how simple it was..." unless DK said "did".

What was simple?

IMO Simple in the sense of plain or boring. Nothing happened. Nothing is simple.

MOO

[feelings]

Originally posted by No Nic


And where would you expect her to be? Hiding is a darkened room crying her eyes out?

Not hardly, Beth is going to do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to find what happened to her daughter. The releasing of the statements is only the tip of the iceberg. Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

imo
the problem is that Beth could never do what she is doing if she wasn´t an American citizen. If she was from another country, she would never get the attention and support. Many people believe women should not speak up. I was just talking to someone from Switzerland and he told me in one region women were not even allowed to vote until about 10 years ago. In many parts of the world and in many minds, women are inferior and only supposed to serve men. People with this kind of attitude don´t give women a voice and get angry or upset when women are not acting the way they should be according to them. They need to put her down.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The suspects speak very well. English is a spoken language in Aruba, as well as in its schools.

There is no way it makes any sense for DK to have said, when asked if they had sex with Natalee: "We didn't, and you'd be surprised how simple it was that night".

Even you, in your ardent defense of the suspects, must surely recognize how ridiculous that is.

IMO Think of it like this. "We didn't, and you'd be surprised how boring it was that night".

[fairmaiden]

Originally posted by feelings

the problem is that Beth could never do what she is doing if she wasn´t an American citizen. If she was from another country, she would never get the attention and support. Many people believe women should not speak up. I was just talking to someone from Switzerland and he told me in one region women were not even allowed to vote until about 10 years ago. In many parts of the world and in many minds, women are inferior and only supposed to serve men. People with this kind of attitude don´t give women a voice and get angry or upset when women are not acting the way they should be according to them. They need to put her down.

My criticism of Beth has nothing to do with her "gender". None whatsoever. I DON'T agree that women are "inferior" beings. I don't agree with her actions!!

JMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


No she didn't.......you'd be surprised how simple it was that night.....

Those kids do not speak perfect English either......LOL

ETA....around the world English is spoken.....not every foreigner speaks perfect English. LOL

ETA....dang even in this country....the U.S. of A. there are people that don't speak perfect English......

ETA.....and that's the language taught in the schools....is on most television channels.....etc.etc.etc. Even if someone spoke perfect English, how would someone speaking American-English know, for sure, what they meant?

MOO

[Heyes]

Originally posted by feelings

the problem is that Beth could never do what she is doing if she wasn´t an American citizen. If she was from another country, she would never get the attention and support. Many people believe women should not speak up. I was just talking to someone from Switzerland and he told me in one region women were not even allowed to vote until about 10 years ago. In many parts of the world and in many minds, women are inferior and only supposed to serve men. People with this kind of attitude don´t give women a voice and get angry or upset when women are not acting the way they should be according to them. They need to put her down.

I do believe your on to something there feelings.
It sure does explain alot, doesn't it.
;)

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


And I believe that is what was said in both "versions" (for lack of better word). Paula, would you be willing to go to Scrux and listen to the version they all believe is "unedited"? to see what the "simple" reference actually is? I am at work and can't do that.
IMO simple=plain

That is a simple dress.
That is a plain dress.

The night was simple.
The night was plain.

MOO

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
simple=plain

That is a simple dress.
That is a plain dress.

The night was simple.
The night was plain.

MOO



simple = easy

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I went to Scrux, and found only the transcript of the tape. But there was a link to BFN, which linked to the Abrams video, which I was unable to download, perhaps because the show no longer exists :shrug: ?

I found something very interesting, however. It appears that a WS member emailed Skeeter and he sent her quite a lengthy and extremely interesting reply. When you get a chance, I strongly recommend you read it. It's quite incredible.

IMO Deepak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1380246808976362790&q=aruba+deepak)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Heyes




simple = easy

BINGO !!!!

IMO

[feelings]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Think of it like this. "We didn't, and you'd be surprised how boring it was that night".
I disagree. I think he said easy. Simple is similar and means good, not complicated. Convenient. It was or would have been easy to get what they wanted. Nothing serious in the way. They were in control. IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by feelings

I disagree. I think he said easy. Simple is similar and means good, not complicated. Convenient. It was or would have been easy to get what they wanted. Nothing serious in the way. They were in control. IMO I guess there are many ways to interpret what he said.

Deepak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1380246808976362790&q=aruba+deepak)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
It would have been nice if you revealed that months ago.

MOO

The dictionary meaning of the word "lie" includes all falsehoods. However, there are different kinds of false statements. Some, which I consider benign, are those which are stated to avoid hurting others, and those which are spoken during times of adversity.

Lies which hurt others, or lies which are self-serving at the expense of others are damaging and vicious.

IMO

[feelings]

Originally posted by Heyes


I do believe your on to something there feelings.
It sure does explain alot, doesn't it.
;)
I think it does. Discouraging to see all this backlash.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The dictionary meaning of the word "lie" includes all falsehoods. However, there are different kinds of false statements. Some, which I consider benign, are those which are stated to avoid hurting others, and those which are spoken during times of adversity.

Lies which hurt others, or lies which are self-serving at the expense of others are damaging and vicious.

IMO When I say Beth lies, I mean she shaded the truth. Misdirection, confusion, spin if you will.

If someone asks her how she feels and she replies, "fine". If she isn't feeling fine I view that as a lie.

MOO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Deepak (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1380246808976362790&q=aruba+deepak)

Thanks so much for the link, Luke!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that Deepak said "she did, and you'd be surprised how simple it was...".

I can't believe these guys aren't behind bars! Poor Natalee! Poor, poor Beth, being accused of being a slanderer and liar, for claiming they did what they truly did to her daughter.

Anyone who bashes Beth should hang their head in shame, after hearing that tape.

IMO

[feelings]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
When I say Beth lies, I mean she shaded the truth. Misdirection, confusion, spin if you will.

If someone asks her how she feels and she replies, "fine". If she isn't feeling fine I view that as a lie.

MOO
I think it´s quite typical for people to say "fine" to strangers or in public regardless of how they really feel. More like a habit or a custom like nice to meet you.

I think anyone can imagine how she is feeling, and can appreciate that she doesn´t want to misdirect the attention and focus on that. Because that´s not going to help find Natalee. Anyone with compassion I mean. IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
When I say Beth lies, I mean she shaded the truth. Misdirection, confusion, spin if you will.

If someone asks her how she feels and she replies, "fine". If she isn't feeling fine I view that as a lie.

MOO

IMO, the press and the public are often too intrusive, asking personal questions, which sometimes take me aback. I am aghast at some of the questions TH's and interviewers sometimes ask of grieving families.

Beth didn't ask to be the mother of a missing, and presumed dead, daughter. She is not obligated to answer all questions posed to her, especially those which she isn't comfortable answering or sharing.

As I said before - there are different kinds of "lies". Those which are intended to hurt another, or those which are self-serving at the expense of another, are the ones I view as vicious lies.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by feelings

I think it´s quite typical for people to say "fine" to strangers or in public regardless of how they really feel. More like a habit or a custom like nice to meet you.

I think anyone can imagine how she is feeling, and can appreciate that she doesn´t want to misdirect the attention and focus on that. Because that´s not going to help find Natalee. Anyone with compassion I mean. IMO Well, it is interesting to see how some of us are guided by different definitions. I just couldn't understand Paula (and probably others).

I think it is even more so with the Dutch, Arubans, etc.

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Thanks so much for the link, Luke!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that Deepak said "she did, and you'd be surprised how simple it was...".

I can't believe these guys aren't behind bars! Poor Natalee! Poor, poor Beth, being accused of being a slanderer and liar, for claiming they did what they truly did to her daughter.

Anyone who bashes Beth should hang their head in shame, after hearing that tape.

IMO

Oh, my! Paula, I just had my daughter, who has excellent hearing and knows NOTHING of this debate - listen to the link Luke provided.

What did she hear? She said she heard the guy (Deepak)say, "she did, and you'd be surprised how simple it was..." She said it was very clear.

NO DOUBT. Listening to this makes my blood boil all over again. The magnitude of their LIES is just astounding and shame on anyone who would bash the mother of the girl who suffered at their, IMO, murderous hands.

imo.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


IMO, the press and the public are often too intrusive, asking personal questions, which sometimes take me aback. I am aghast at some of the questions TH's and interviewers sometimes ask of grieving families.

Beth didn't ask to be the mother of a missing, and presumed dead, daughter. She is not obligated to answer all questions posed to her, especially those which she isn't comfortable answering or sharing.

As I said before - there are different kinds of "lies". Those which are intended to hurt another, or those which are self-serving at the expense of another, are the ones I view as vicious lies. Yes, I think it is great to try to understand others. For example, a woman in Suriname could go topless and be proper but showing some thigh she is regarded as a s***.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Oh, my! Paula, I just had my daughter, who has excellent hearing and knows NOTHING of this debate - listen to the link Luke provided.

What did she hear? She said she heard the guy (Deepak)say, "she did, and you'd be surprised how simple it was..." She said it was very clear.

NO DOUBT. Listening to this makes my blood boil all over again. The magnitude of their LIES is just astounding and shame on anyone who would bash the mother of the girl who suffered at their, IMO, murderous hands.

imo. WARNING TO OTHERS

The tape is not censored. (I had forgotten) Please don't have youngsters watch it or anyone who might be offended by rough language.

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
WARNING TO OTHERS

The tape is not censored. (I had forgotten) Please don't have youngsters watch it or anyone who might be offended by rough language.

MOO

Too late. :o

:D

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Oh, my! Paula, I just had my daughter, who has excellent hearing and knows NOTHING of this debate - listen to the link Luke provided.

What did she hear? She said she heard the guy (Deepak)say, "she did, and you'd be surprised how simple it was..." She said it was very clear.

NO DOUBT. Listening to this makes my blood boil all over again. The magnitude of their LIES is just astounding and shame on anyone who would bash the mother of the girl who suffered at their, IMO, murderous hands.

imo.

Hi Miami!

I am incensed, after hearing that tape. To even suggest it was altered is a joke. It's clear as a bell, and there is NO WAY to make any sense of what Deepak said if you substitute the word "didn't."

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Well, it is interesting to see how some of us are guided by different definitions. I just couldn't understand Paula (and probably others).

I think it is even more so with the Dutch, Arubans, etc.

MOO

What don't you understand about Paula? I'm not a complicated person.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


What don't you understand about Paula? I'm not a complicated person. "lie" After reading your definition I understand.

Beth isn't malicious so she never lies.

MOO

[feelings]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
"lie" After reading your definition I understand.

Beth isn't malicious so she never lies.

MOO
sounds like you need to read Paula´s definition again. It wasn´t that simple. You reduced it and turned it upside down. Undifferentiated. She distinguished between different kinds of lies. Do you know what a compliment is?

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Miami!

I am incensed, after hearing that tape. To even suggest it was altered is a joke. It's clear as a bell, and there is NO WAY to make any sense of what Deepak said if you substitute the word "didn't."

IMO

CRYSTAL clear!

The only thing we can do is wait for the "truth to be revealed and justice to be served."

:rose:

imo.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Thanks so much for the link, Luke!

There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that Deepak said "she did, and you'd be surprised how simple it was...".

I can't believe these guys aren't behind bars! Poor Natalee! Poor, poor Beth, being accused of being a slanderer and liar, for claiming they did what they truly did to her daughter.

Anyone who bashes Beth should hang their head in shame, after hearing that tape.

IMO

But isn't that the tape from Dr. Phil's show that has been questioned?

:confused:

[treetime]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


But isn't that the tape from Dr. Phil's show that has been questioned?

:confused:

there is really nothing in question

really there isnt


:D

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I sent you the link in a PM with instructions.

Thanks, Paula, very interesting.

[treetime]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Miami!

I am incensed, after hearing that tape. To even suggest it was altered is a joke. It's clear as a bell, and there is NO WAY to make any sense of what Deepak said if you substitute the word "didn't."

IMO

CLEAR as a BELL

he did not know he was being taped

he said it

CRYSTAL :patriot:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by feelings

sounds like you need to read Paula´s definition again. It wasn´t that simple. You reduced it and turned it upside down. Undifferentiated. She distinguished between different kinds of lies. Do you know what a compliment is? Just keeping it simple.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


CRYSTAL clear!

The only thing we can do is wait for the "truth to be revealed and justice to be served."

:rose:

imo. Sounds good.

MOO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


But isn't that the tape from Dr. Phil's show that has been questioned?

:confused: Yes.

MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Yes.

MOO

So they are saying that the manipulated tape did change the meaning of the original taped conversation....

Thank you LD ;)

[treetime]

i can question whether i think the SUN is HOT

but...er...ahh....um

its a SAFE bet its HOT

anyone can question anything

just because you question something till the cows come home
doesnt mean it ISNT what it IS :D :D :D

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by treetime
i can question whether i think the SUN is HOT

but...er...ahh....um

its a SAFE bet its HOT

anyone can question anything

just because you question something till the cows come home
doesnt mean it ISNT what it IS :D :D :D

But there is proof that the sun is hot.....evidence that supports such a conclusion........

guessing that the suspects are guilty without evidence does not make it so.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by treetime
i can question whether i think the SUN is HOT

but...er...ahh....um

its a SAFE bet its HOT

anyone can question anything

just because you question something till the cows come home
doesnt mean it ISNT what it IS :D :D :D If you lived in a black hole you might visit the Sun to cool off. MOO

[Luke Davis]

A tape aired on the Dr. Phil television show, in which Deepak Kalpoe allegedly claimed that he, Joran Van Der Sloot and his brother Satish Kalpoe all had sex with missing teen Natalee Holloway, was found to be altered by forensic investigators in Holland.

About (http://crime.about.com/b/a/222579.htm)

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by treetime
i can question whether i think the SUN is HOT

but...er...ahh....um

its a SAFE bet its HOT

anyone can question anything

just because you question something till the cows come home
doesnt mean it ISNT what it IS :D :D :D

So you do believe that the Dutch government and the FBI are part of a conspiracy...interesting

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


So you do believe that the Dutch government and the FBI are part of a conspiracy...interesting Beth said when you know the truth it will shock the world. Or something like that.

MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Beth said when you know the truth it will shock the world. Or something like that.

MOO

Wasn't it Marcia Twitty (sp) that said that?

ETA....not saying that Beth couldn't have as well. :)

[No Nic]

I find it interesting that the "unedited" tapes that "clearly" show Deepak said "didn't" ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE on the "credible" blog run by the anonymous blogger Roger who "received" these authentic tapes from the "ALE". What's the matter Roger, afraid the truth about "your" tapes will come out??

Did you notice "where" he was suggesting anyone visiting his dead site go to post comments. That right there BLOWS any credibility he ever thought he had.

imo

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic
I find it interesting that the "unedited" tapes that "clearly" show Deepak said "didn't" ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE on the "credible" blog run by the anonymous blogger Roger who "received" these authentic tapes from the "ALE". What's the matter Roger, afraid the truth about "your" tapes will come out??

Did you notice "where" he was suggesting anyone visiting his dead site go to post comments. That right there BLOWS any credibility he ever thought he had.

imo

Because the bandwith costs money......

I hope that is a good enough answer for you.

ETA...I could explain it more if you want....but I would hope you understand with that little piece.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic
I find it interesting that the "unedited" tapes that "clearly" show Deepak said "didn't" ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE on the "credible" blog run by the anonymous blogger Roger who "received" these authentic tapes from the "ALE". What's the matter Roger, afraid the truth about "your" tapes will come out??

Did you notice "where" he was suggesting anyone visiting his dead site go to post comments. That right there BLOWS any credibility he ever thought he had.

imo

There is no way to insert the word "didn't" where it would make any sense.

Deepak tried to make it appear that Natalee willingly had sex with all of them. That's what he meant when he said "She did, and you'd be surprised at how simple it was..."

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Because the bandwith costs money......

I hope that is a good enough answer for you.

ETA...I could explain it more if you want....but I would hope you understand with that little piece. Is that why CTV doesn't have tapes?

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There is no way to insert the word "didn't" where it would make any sense.

Deepak tried to make it appear that Natalee willingly had sex with all of them. That's what he meant when he said "She did, and you'd be surprised at how simple it was..."

IMO They were fast!

MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Is that why CTV doesn't have tapes?

Not sure why CTV doesn't......

we know why Greta doesn't.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
They were fast!

MOO

:confused:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There is no way to insert the word "didn't" where it would make any sense.

Deepak tried to make it appear that Natalee willingly had sex with all of them. That's what he meant when he said "She did, and you'd be surprised at how simple it was..."

IMO

Yes there is......

and he did say didn't in the original.....of course the manipulated tape it's clear as you all have said that he said did......because it was clearly manipulated. :)

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic
I find it interesting that the "unedited" tapes that "clearly" show Deepak said "didn't" ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE on the "credible" blog run by the anonymous blogger Roger who "received" these authentic tapes from the "ALE". What's the matter Roger, afraid the truth about "your" tapes will come out??

Did you notice "where" he was suggesting anyone visiting his dead site go to post comments. That right there BLOWS any credibility he ever thought he had.

imo

What a farce! The thing I felt that pushed Roger the anonymous blogger's credibility completely into the toilet was his one-line, teeny, tiny ad in the NY Times beseeching Oprah to contact Scrux......ROFL!!!!! To turn her against Dr. Phil!.........ROFL!!!

Do you know that some posters actually were so excited, they stayed up all night to see the ad come out??

<tears of laughter rolling down>

imo.

[Narcissist15]

I had no problem finding the tapes on other sites.......if someone wants a link to the tapes (with video) feel free to ask and I'll pm.

ETA...and the site I found that have them is an anti-Aruba site....imagine that.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Yes there is......

and he did say didn't in the original.....of course the manipulated tape it's clear as you all have said that he said did......because it was clearly manipulated. :)

"Have it your way", as the Burger King commerical would say.

I'm sure the suspects could use all the little support they get. :)

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


"Have it your way", as the Burger King commerical would say.

I'm sure the suspects could use all the little support they get. :)

Well saying that the Dr. Phil tape clearly shows that Deepak said Did when he actually said Didn't seems to indicate that the tape was clearly manipulated. ;) Thank you for jumping the gun :)

[treetime]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


So you do believe that the Dutch government and the FBI are part of a conspiracy...interesting

DUTCH -YES

FBI ------NO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Well saying that the Dr. Phil tape clearly shows that Deepak said Did when he actually said Didn't seems to indicate that the tape was clearly manipulated. ;) Thank you for jumping the gun :)

I wasn't aware that you were present during that taped interview between Skeeter and Deepak.

:confused: Jumping what gun?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I wasn't aware that you were present during that taped interview between Skeeter and Deepak.

:confused: Jumping what gun?

It's pretty obvious.

ETA...would you like me to explain?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There is no way to insert the word "didn't" where it would make any sense.

Deepak tried to make it appear that Natalee willingly had sex with all of them. That's what he meant when he said "She did, and you'd be surprised at how simple it was..."

IMO :confused: what are you talking about :confused:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'm waiting for the day when the FBI finds a way to extradite the suspects, to the USA, to stand trial for the killing of an American citizen.

I think the FBI has plenty of CE for them to stand trial.

IMO How many lifetimes you planning on waiting?

If the FBI has CE then they investigated. When did they get the authority to do that?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I wasn't aware that you were present during that taped interview between Skeeter and Deepak.

:confused: Jumping what gun? Isn't that why it's taped, so you don't have to actually be there, you can watch it later and fast forward, stop, rewind....like TiVO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Yes there is......

and he did say didn't in the original.....of course the manipulated tape it's clear as you all have said that he said did......because it was clearly manipulated. :)


I find it hilarious that all the news outlets dropped that tape in a heartbeat as soon as it was found to be altered but posters here think they know better than the DFI and all of the media outlets.



"She did. You'd be surprised how simple it was that night,"

"No, she didn't. You'd be surprised how simple it would have been."



There is no way anyone can say that is not altered. And it is obviously not edited for time.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Isn't that why it's taped, so you don't have to actually be there, you can watch it later and fast forward, stop, rewind....like TiVO

I love it.....I have just redownloaded the files.....all 14....just listened to the statement....watched Deepak shake his head no.....and listened to his words.......DIDN'T :)

And clearly as those people say in the Dr. Phil version it's crystal clear he said DID.....

thanks to those that commented about how crystal clear it was in the Dr. Phil tape.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I find it hilarious that all the news outlets dropped that tape in a heartbeat as soon as it was found to be altered but posters here think they know better than the DFI and all of the media outlets.



"She did. You'd be surprised how simple it was that night,"

"No, she didn't. You'd be surprised how simple it would have been."



There is no way anyone can say that is not altered. And it is obviously not edited for time.

And listening to the tape.....he said No, she didn't. You'd be surprised how simple it was that night.....


I can give you the link if you like so you can listen......tell me if you disagree after listening....

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


What a farce! The thing I felt that pushed Roger the anonymous blogger's credibility completely into the toilet was his one-line, teeny, tiny ad in the NY Times beseeching Oprah to contact Scrux......ROFL!!!!! To turn her against Dr. Phil!.........ROFL!!!

Do you know that some posters actually were so excited, they stayed up all night to see the ad come out??

<tears of laughter rolling down>

imo.

OMG, do I ever remember that. Boy, were they going to show Skeeters. Gonna sick Oprah on him. Cost them quite a bit of $$ and they never heard a peep from Oprah. ROTFLMAO

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I love it.....I have just redownloaded the files.....all 14....just listened to the statement....watched Deepak shake his head no.....and listened to his words.......DIDN'T :)

And clearly as those people say in the Dr. Phil version it's crystal clear he said DID.....

thanks to those that commented about how crystal clear it was in the Dr. Phil tape.

Tell us again why you are deeming the tapes you are listening to - as the "unedited" ones.

imo.

[Hey Paula]

I find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that to insert the word "didn't" that it makes no sense, whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that not only weren't the people who "manipulated" this tape arrested or sued, but they are still working and broadcasting the same show.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe anything emanating from Aruba, despite all the so-called "misinformation" which they reported and retracted, time and time again.

And that is my opinion.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


And listening to the tape.....he said No, she didn't. You'd be surprised how simple it was that night.....


I can give you the link if you like so you can listen......tell me if you disagree after listening....



I listened to both when they were on Scrux. I know they were different and the Dr Phil one was altered. But thanks for the offer. :)

[treetime]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that to insert the word "didn't" that it makes no sense, whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that not only weren't the people who "manipulated" this tape arrested or sued, but they are still working and broadcasting the same show.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe anything emanating from Aruba, despite all the so-called "misinformation" which they reported and retracted, time and time again.

And that is my opinion.

your OPINION is SOUND:D

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that to insert the word "didn't" that it makes no sense, whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that not only weren't the people who "manipulated" this tape arrested or sued, but they are still working and broadcasting the same show.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe anything emanating from Aruba, despite all the so-called "misinformation" which they reported and retracted, time and time again.

And that is my opinion.



I really find it hilarious that you are so obviously wrong. :tongue:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that to insert the word "didn't" that it makes no sense, whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that not only weren't the people who "manipulated" this tape arrested or sued, but they are still working and broadcasting the same show.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe anything emanating from Aruba, despite all the so-called "misinformation" which they reported and retracted, time and time again.

And that is my opinion.

It's funny.....

because it's clear that it was manipulated......

How many shows have ever went off the air for relaying bad information? ROFLMAO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that to insert the word "didn't" that it makes no sense, whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that not only weren't the people who "manipulated" this tape arrested or sued, but they are still working and broadcasting the same show.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe anything emanating from Aruba, despite all the so-called "misinformation" which they reported and retracted, time and time again.

And that is my opinion.

And a very valid opinion it is, Paula! I AGREE. imo.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Watership Down




I listened to both when they were on Scrux. I know they were different and the Dr Phil one was altered. But thanks for the offer. :)

I pmed you the link anyway.....

it's obvious it was manipulated.

ETA...Dr. Phil version :D

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Tell us again why you are deeming the tapes you are listening to - as the "unedited" ones.

imo.

Bumping for Narc to answer.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There is NOTHING to suggest, (other than ALE claiming it to remove suspicion from the suspects, and their failure to prosecute them) that the tapes were altered to change the meaning of what DK said.

As I posted previously, tampering with a tape to change the meaning of what was said, is a serious and perhaps even criminal charge. Since no one has been arrested and the network continues to broadcast Dr Phil's show, that is what I base my CE on that the tapes were NOT manipulated.
Then how come they weren't included with the civil suit filing instead of Jane Joe hearsay?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that to insert the word "didn't" that it makes no sense, whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that not only weren't the people who "manipulated" this tape arrested or sued, but they are still working and broadcasting the same show.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe anything emanating from Aruba, despite all the so-called "misinformation" which they reported and retracted, time and time again.

And that is my opinion.


Once again Paula, you NAILED it!!!!

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


And a very valid opinion it is, Paula! I AGREE. imo.

Did you read the email exchange between one of the WS posters and Skeeter?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Did you read the email exchange between one of the WS posters and Skeeter?

?? if it's no problem could you pm me that info? Thanks

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Bumping for Narc to answer.

Oh....

Hmmmm.....lets see....the CE points to that....

DFI said the tapes were altered......Beth said that it wasn't relevant.....Skeeter disappeared....(shouldn't he be defending himself if he is innocent.....taking a page out of the book of accusers).......FBI didn't release info to contradict that finding......Dr. Phil didn't send tape to Greta as promised......

Is that good enough......am I absolutely certain that it is legit.....nah...I wasn't there.......but I'm reasonably sure it is.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom

Then how come they weren't included with the civil suit filing instead of Jane Joe hearsay?

The civil suit was filed against JVDS and PVDS, not Deepak Kalpoe.

Jane Doe involved JVDS.

IMO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Did you read the email exchange between one of the WS posters and Skeeter?

Yes....I asked NN to PM me the link. You were right, it sure brings another aspect to the story. Skeeters reply sounds very credible and it appears not many hold a very high view of ALE.

After reading the suspect's statements, and how nothing was accomplished, I agree with Skeeters' assessment of ALE.

Thanks for finding it, Paula.

imo.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The civil suit was filed against JVDS and PVDS, not Deepak Kalpoe.

Jane Doe involved JVDS.

IMO

Any why wouldn't that be used as evidence in a civil suit against JVDS?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Yes....I asked NN to PM me the link. You were right, it sure brings another aspect to the story. Skeeters reply sounds very credible and it appears not many hold a very high view of ALE.

After reading the suspect's statements, and how nothing was accomplished, I agree with Skeeters' assessment of ALE.

Thanks for finding it, Paula.

imo.

Would you care to PM me this link? :)

[Watership Down]

The most recent update includes forensic investigators in Holland having found that someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island’s police chief said Wednesday.


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_20_getagripmonkey_archive.html


A tape aired on the Dr. Phil television show, in which Deepak Kalpoe allegedly claimed that he, Joran Van Der Sloot and his brother Satish Kalpoe all had sex with missing teen Natalee Holloway, was found to be altered by forensic investigators in Holland.

"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief police deputy for Aruba, said in a statement.

http://crime.about.com/b/a/222579.htm

COSBY: And Aruban officials say that the interview that you just heard was manipulated, cut down from a much longer version. Even more important, they say, Deepak actually gave a very different answer to that last question. Here is their version of that very same clip.

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, yes, I‘ve heard both, and it‘s—you know, there is a difference. The question is, Rita, where does this difference come from? Number one, you know, the tape was originally, like, 60 minutes long, and obviously, Dr. Phil‘s show had to edit that down. Now, did the editing cause some problem with the tape?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


You do not snip off the last two letters of an important word in an important sentence to edit for time. The tape was altered and the investigators in Holland announced that after examining it. Also curios is that Skeeters has not been seen or heard from regarding this case since the manipulation was found. Sounds like someone who knows he is guilty and is hiding out.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I pmed you the link anyway.....

it's obvious it was manipulated.

ETA...Dr. Phil version :D


I got it. Thanks. I wonder when the spin will finally wear off and eyes will open? Probably never.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Heyes


?? if it's no problem could you pm me that info? Thanks

I sent you the link, via PM, Heyes.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Watership Down
The most recent update includes forensic investigators in Holland having found that someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island’s police chief said Wednesday.


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_20_getagripmonkey_archive.html


A tape aired on the Dr. Phil television show, in which Deepak Kalpoe allegedly claimed that he, Joran Van Der Sloot and his brother Satish Kalpoe all had sex with missing teen Natalee Holloway, was found to be altered by forensic investigators in Holland.

"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief police deputy for Aruba, said in a statement.

http://crime.about.com/b/a/222579.htm

COSBY: And Aruban officials say that the interview that you just heard was manipulated, cut down from a much longer version. Even more important, they say, Deepak actually gave a very different answer to that last question. Here is their version of that very same clip.

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, yes, I‘ve heard both, and it‘s—you know, there is a difference. The question is, Rita, where does this difference come from? Number one, you know, the tape was originally, like, 60 minutes long, and obviously, Dr. Phil‘s show had to edit that down. Now, did the editing cause some problem with the tape?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


You do not snip off the last two letters of an important word in an important sentence to edit for time. The tape was altered and the investigators in Holland announced that after examining it. Also curios is that Skeeters has not been seen or heard from regarding this case since the manipulation was found. Sounds like someone who knows he is guilty and is hiding out.

TY....Paula keeps saying how it can't make any sense the other way......but if you listen and watch the video.....it doesn't make any sense.......context and how Mr. Skeeter reacts to the answer is the opposite of how one would react if someone just admitted something to him.

ROFLMAO....This is hilarious (to take a page from Paula) that people actually believe the tapes on Dr. Phil are "real" :)

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Any why wouldn't that be used as evidence in a civil suit against JVDS?


Damning words from one suspect about another and it isn't attached to the filing? I smell an altered tape. :tongue:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


What a farce! The thing I felt that pushed Roger the anonymous blogger's credibility completely into the toilet was his one-line, teeny, tiny ad in the NY Times beseeching Oprah to contact Scrux......ROFL!!!!! To turn her against Dr. Phil!.........ROFL!!!

Do you know that some posters actually were so excited, they stayed up all night to see the ad come out??

<tears of laughter rolling down>

imo. How exciting.:hat:

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


TY....Paula keeps saying how it can't make any sense the other way......but if you listen and watch the video.....it doesn't make any sense.......context and how Mr. Skeeter reacts to the answer is the opposite of how one would react if someone just admitted something to him.

ROFLMAO....This is hilarious (to take a page from Paula) that people actually believe the tapes on Dr. Phil are "real" :)


It is hilarious. The DFI has a reknowned reputation around the world and posters here are calling their integrity into question instead of questioning the integrity of the one's who obviously altered the tape. They remind me of John Walsh and his silly little claim about the DFI office being no bigger than a bathroom. Sour grapes all around.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that to insert the word "didn't" that it makes no sense, whatsoever.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe the tape was manipulated to change the meaning of what the suspect said, despite the fact that not only weren't the people who "manipulated" this tape arrested or sued, but they are still working and broadcasting the same show.

I also find it hilarious that some actually believe anything emanating from Aruba, despite all the so-called "misinformation" which they reported and retracted, time and time again.

And that is my opinion. The word 'didn't' wasn't inserted.

I find it hilarious that the people claiming to be seeking the truth ignore it and instead come up with all kinds of mind bending senarios of vast conspiracies and coverups that span multiple countries, global corruption, magic broken legs and tapes that record in error what someone said.

When did Deepak get the funds to talk to let alone hire a US atty and how do you know a law suit isn't sitting there waiting to be filed as soon as Deepak is released from suspect status?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Yes....I asked NN to PM me the link. You were right, it sure brings another aspect to the story. Skeeters reply sounds very credible and it appears not many hold a very high view of ALE.

After reading the suspect's statements, and how nothing was accomplished, I agree with Skeeters' assessment of ALE.

Thanks for finding it, Paula.

imo.

You're welcome, Miami, but I happened upon accidentally, when I was looking for the Skeeter video.

I can't wait for the FBI's file to be revealed. Perhaps it can be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act.

I'm looking forward to the day, when the FBI finds a way to extradite the suspects to the USA, to prosecute and try them for murdering an American.

IMO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You're welcome, Miami, but I happened upon accidentally, when I was looking for the Skeeter video.

I can't wait for the FBI's file to be revealed. Perhaps it can be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act.

I'm looking forward to the day, when the FBI finds a way to extradite the suspects to the USA, to prosecute and try them for murdering an American.

IMO

And when they agree with DFI's finding will you apologize and readjust your thinking?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The civil suit was filed against JVDS and PVDS, not Deepak Kalpoe.

Jane Doe involved JVDS.

IMO Uh Huh, and here is a witness on tape saying Joran had sex with Natalee - which was the crux of the civil suit - so why wasn't this all important witness statement and tape attached to civil suit filing instead of Jane Doe hearsay?

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The civil suit was filed against JVDS and PVDS, not Deepak Kalpoe.

Jane Doe involved JVDS.

IMO

Great point, Paula. To help Joran's cause why didn't JoeT help out Deepak by getting him a attorney to sue the pants off Dr. Phil, Skeeter and the network? Some here seem to believe it would be a slam dunk, any US attorney would take it on a contingency.........but.......it hasn't happened...I wonder WHY??

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You're welcome, Miami, but I happened upon accidentally, when I was looking for the Skeeter video.

I can't wait for the FBI's file to be revealed. Perhaps it can be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act.

I'm looking forward to the day, when the FBI finds a way to extradite the suspects to the USA, to prosecute and try them for murdering an American.

IMO
How would the FBI work product at the behest of a foreign government fall under FOIA?

Under what circumstances can the FBI extradite foreign nationals and stand them on trial for the killing of an American citizen?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


And when they agree with DFI's finding will you apologize and readjust your thinking?


I am sitting here with tears literally rolling down my face from laughing so hard at her post. :tongue:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Great point, Paula. To help Joran's cause why didn't JoeT help out Deepak by getting him a attorney to sue the pants off Dr. Phil, Skeeter and the network? Some here seem to believe it would be a slam dunk, any US attorney would take it on a contingency.........but.......it hasn't happened...I wonder WHY??

IMO Why would JoeT care about Deepak? His client is Joran.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


Great point, Paula. To help Joran's cause why didn't JoeT help out Deepak by getting him a attorney to sue the pants off Dr. Phil, Skeeter and the network? Some here seem to believe it would be a slam dunk, any US attorney would take it on a contingency.........but.......it hasn't happened...I wonder WHY??

IMO

We shall see......I believe you and others don't believe there will be any lawsuits by Joran.......

but Joe T. said there are two in the works.......

time and time again......

"The civil suit will be heard"......Wrong

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


And listening to the tape.....he said No, she didn't. You'd be surprised how simple it was that night.....


I can give you the link if you like so you can listen......tell me if you disagree after listening.... I think the problem is who supplied the tape. Who manipulated the tape. Who listens to the tape. And who do you trust. If you don't trust FBI, Dutch and Aruba you probably hear "did".

MOO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


We shall see......I believe you and others don't believe there will be any lawsuits by Joran.......

but Joe T. said there are two in the works.......

time and time again......

"The civil suit will be heard"......Wrong


How many times were we told to "bank on it"? I'm glad I didn't listen to that one. :tongue:

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Did you read the email exchange between one of the WS posters and Skeeter?
LMAO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic


Great point, Paula. To help Joran's cause why didn't JoeT help out Deepak by getting him a attorney to sue the pants off Dr. Phil, Skeeter and the network? Some here seem to believe it would be a slam dunk, any US attorney would take it on a contingency.........but.......it hasn't happened...I wonder WHY??

IMO

Exactly, NN!

The questions you posed are answers in themselves.

IMO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I think the problem is who supplied the tape. Who manipulated the tape. Who listens to the tape. And who do you trust. If you don't trust FBI, Dutch and Aruba you probably hear "did".

MOO

Goes back to the saying....you hear what you want to hear.....

and based on the context before and after the question.......not just it's clear that he said "didn't".......

ETA....using everything to determine the answer.....not just what I want to hear in one word.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I think the problem is who supplied the tape. Who manipulated the tape. Who listens to the tape. And who do you trust. If you don't trust FBI, Dutch and Aruba you probably hear "did".

MOO

The FBI never said the tape was manipulated.

[No Nic]

The DFI did not report any findings on the Deepak tapes. What was reported was Dompig and Arlene's reports that this was the DFI findings. LOL Maybe we will eventually find out this reported finding was in error or another misinformation campaign.

imo

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I sent you the link, via PM, Heyes.

Thanks! :seeya:

off to read,
I shall return! lol

[Narcissist15]

Will someone send me a link to this e-mail between Skeeter and SM poster?

Or not?

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic
The DFI did not report any findings on the Deepak tapes. What was reported was Dompig and Arlene's reports that this was the DFI findings. LOL Maybe we will eventually find out this reported finding was in error or another misinformation campaign.

imo



ROFLMAO

[Narcissist15]

I can't wait for any info the FBI had is released.......

We will find that what was played on Dr. Phil was manipulated......we will hear about what involvement the FBI had.....

I'm looking forward to it.

ETA...just the little that was in the filing by Joe T. was an eye opener.

[Narcissist15]

Going to post again.....will someone be nice enough to pm me a link to this e-mail.....or is it that it really doesn't hold water and you'd rather someone with a different point of view not examine it?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I love it.....I have just redownloaded the files.....all 14....just listened to the statement....watched Deepak shake his head no.....and listened to his words.......DIDN'T :)

And clearly as those people say in the Dr. Phil version it's crystal clear he said DID.....

thanks to those that commented about how crystal clear it was in the Dr. Phil tape.

But you are listening to the altered tape, the REAL tape was played by Dr Phil :tongue:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom


But you are listening to the altered tape, the REAL tape was played by Dr Phil :tongue:

Oh that's it.....my bad....

Oh I have to pm you now. LOL

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
Going to post again.....will someone be nice enough to pm me a link to this e-mail.....or is it that it really doesn't hold water and you'd rather someone with a different point of view not examine it?



That would be my guess. :tongue:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Oh....

Hmmmm.....lets see....the CE points to that....

DFI said the tapes were altered......Beth said that it wasn't relevant.....Skeeter disappeared....(shouldn't he be defending himself if he is innocent.....taking a page out of the book of accusers).......FBI didn't release info to contradict that finding......Dr. Phil didn't send tape to Greta as promised......

Is that good enough......am I absolutely certain that it is legit.....nah...I wasn't there.......but I'm reasonably sure it is.

So in other words.....you have NO proof those are the "unedited" tapes. I thought so. Thanks.

imo.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


So in other words.....you have NO proof those are the "unedited" tapes. I thought so. Thanks.

imo.

I thought you guys thought weak CE was the ultimate in proof.......you know it doesn't lie....it's impartial.....

Are you saying that is incorrect?

[No Nic]

IF Joran/Aruba supporters are so outraged by this "edited" Deepak tape, why don't you start a "Deepak Attorney Fund" to get him a US attorney to sue the deep pockets of Dr. Phil and the network. You did it for Joran, is he so much more beloved that you can't "do the right thing" and help out poor Deepak who has lost everything.

I would be curious to see if he really wants to sue (because HE knows exactly what he said). I would be curious to see if ALE and Gov't officials would allow him to sue.

I would love to see him bring a lawsuit, then we would all know what the tape originally said.

imo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic
IF Joran/Aruba supporters are so outraged by this "edited" Deepak tape, why don't you start a "Deepak Attorney Fund" to get him a US attorney to sue the deep pockets of Dr. Phil and the network. You did it for Joran, is he so much more beloved that you can't "do the right thing" and help out poor Deepak who has lost everything.

I would be curious to see if he really wants to sue (because HE knows exactly what he said). I would be curious to see if ALE and Gov't officials would allow him to sue.

I would love to see him bring a lawsuit, then we would all know what the tape originally said.

imo

I say BRING IT ON!!!

I'll bet Beth hopes they sue!

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic
IF Joran/Aruba supporters are so outraged by this "edited" Deepak tape, why don't you start a "Deepak Attorney Fund" to get him a US attorney to sue the deep pockets of Dr. Phil and the network. You did it for Joran, is he so much more beloved that you can't "do the right thing" and help out poor Deepak who has lost everything.

I would be curious to see if he really wants to sue (because HE knows exactly what he said). I would be curious to see if ALE and Gov't officials would allow him to sue.

I would love to see him bring a lawsuit, then we would all know what the tape originally said.

imo

I can't wait for the FBI to release their findings......it's pretty obvious. :D

[nascarmom]

ARUBA – “My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen about the rumours that his client Deepak Kalpoe will take legal proceedings against Jamie Skeeters in the States. Skeeters is the man that recorded a conversation with Kalpoe and sold it to Dr. Phil’s TV-show.

(translated article from Amigoe.com)

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_16_getagripmonkey_archive.html

[Unperson1984]

To believe that Deepak actually confessed to rape on this tape, you must believe there is an international conspiracy to protect JVDS. That is simply ridiculous.

Both the Aruban and Dutch governments know that this tape was played on national television in the US, it is not realistic to believe they are ignoring a taped confession regarding crimes against an American.

:)

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom
ARUBA – “My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen about the rumours that his client Deepak Kalpoe will take legal proceedings against Jamie Skeeters in the States. Skeeters is the man that recorded a conversation with Kalpoe and sold it to Dr. Phil’s TV-show.

(translated article from Amigoe.com)

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_16_getagripmonkey_archive.html

Oh it's so obvious........it's amazing they can't even say that it's a possibility that the tape on Dr. Phil was manipulated......

talk about me being worried about my credibility.

And the day the FBI releases the info they have......will be a good day.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I thought you guys thought weak CE was the ultimate in proof.......you know it doesn't lie....it's impartial.....

Are you saying that is incorrect?


Thats what it looks like to me. ;)

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


<snip>

I'm looking forward to the day, when the FBI finds a way to extradite the suspects to the USA, to prosecute and try them for murdering an American.

IMO Has that ever been done?

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


I thought you guys thought weak CE was the ultimate in proof.......you know it doesn't lie....it's impartial.....

Are you saying that is incorrect?

CE is when a woman disappears off the face of the earth and is last seen with 3 suspects who LIE and LIE and LIE as to what really happened. One of the suspects even goes on National TV and says he wouldn't believe himself either!

As NN puts it - let's see what the FBI finally says about WHICH version is correct before claiming YOU have the "unedited" tapes or the fact that Dr.Phil's tapes are the "edited" ones.

Also, NN is correct in saying if what you are hearing is true - that Deepak's words were altered.....why WOULDN'T JoeT. take this opportunity to pass a little business on to an attorney friend to help poor, poor Deepak get a little piece of Dr.Phil and Skeeters?

Trust me, if it were the slam dunk you and your pals are thinking it is....no attorney would pass up the opportunity for both the publicity and the Harpo Production Dollars!

IMO.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Unperson1984
To believe that Deepak actually confessed to rape on this tape, you must believe there is an international conspiracy to protect JVDS. That is simply ridiculous.

Both the Aruban and Dutch governments know that this tape was played on national television in the US, it is not realistic to believe they are ignoring a taped confession regarding crimes against an American.

:)

Exactly......so much CE that the tape on Dr. Phil was manipulated.

ROFLMAO at how CE isn't good enough for them now. :)

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
ARUBA – “My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen about the rumours that his client Deepak Kalpoe will take legal proceedings against Jamie Skeeters in the States. Skeeters is the man that recorded a conversation with Kalpoe and sold it to Dr. Phil’s TV-show.

(translated article from Amigoe.com)

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_16_getagripmonkey_archive.html


Well there ya go No Nic. Looks like Deepak does indeed know what he said and it doesn't appear to agree with Skeeters tape or else his attorney wouldn't be addressing rumors of lawsuits.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Unperson1984
To believe that Deepak actually confessed to rape on this tape, you must believe there is an international conspiracy to protect JVDS. That is simply ridiculous.

Both the Aruban and Dutch governments know that this tape was played on national television in the US, it is not realistic to believe they are ignoring a taped confession regarding crimes against an American.

:)

Deepak didn't confess. He boasted about how simple it was.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I say BRING IT ON!!!

I'll bet Beth hopes they sue! Maybe she will foot the bill, she is collecting for 'legal fees' now.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


CE is when a woman disappears off the face of the earth and is last seen with 3 suspects who LIE and LIE and LIE as to what really happened. One of the suspects even goes on National TV and says he wouldn't believe himself either!

As NN puts it - let's see what the FBI finally says about WHICH version is correct before claiming YOU have the "unedited" tapes or the fact that Dr.Phil's tapes are the "edited" ones.

Also, NN is correct in saying if what you are hearing is true - that Deepak's words were altered.....why WOULDN'T JoeT. take this opportunity to pass a little business on to an attorney friend to help poor, poor Deepak get a little piece of Dr.Phil and Skeeters?

Trust me, if it were the slam dunk you and your pals are thinking it is....no attorney would pass up the opportunity for both the publicity and the Harpo Production Dollars!

IMO.

Did I say anything about a lawsuit being a slam dunk? ROFLMAO.....twist twist and twist some more.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


Great point, Paula. To help Joran's cause why didn't JoeT help out Deepak by getting him a attorney to sue the pants off Dr. Phil, Skeeter and the network? Some here seem to believe it would be a slam dunk, any US attorney would take it on a contingency.........but.......it hasn't happened...I wonder WHY??

IMO Why didn't JQK try to use the Skeeter tape?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Deepak didn't confess. He boasted about how simple it was.

Beth called it a confession. Was she lying?

(and he said it WOULD HAVE been simple)

[treetime]

Originally posted by Unperson1984
To believe that Deepak actually confessed to rape on this tape, you must believe there is an international conspiracy to protect JVDS. That is simply ridiculous.

Both the Aruban and Dutch governments know that this tape was played on national television in the US, it is not realistic to believe they are ignoring a taped confession regarding crimes against an American.

:)

i think he said it was easy to do :D

[No Nic]

“My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen.

Come on, people, step up to the plate. You collected funds for a letter to Oprah (LOL), you collected funds for Joran's attorney, you collected funds to replace a crashed car..........WHY won't you help this poor man who has been so severely abused by the big, bad, ugly American TV personality. Don't be shy, just jump right in an DO IT !! He needs YOU !! ARUBA needs YOU !! Help them, please, help them. If you only donate one dollar each, it can be done.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Exactly......so much CE that the tape on Dr. Phil was manipulated.

ROFLMAO at how CE isn't good enough for them now. :)

In addition to my previous post to you:

Tapes are physical pieces of evidence that can be validated.

CE is circumstantial evidence....not physical evidence like the tape.

I'm surprised you cannot understand the difference.

imo.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Has that ever been done?

I don't know, but I can't imagine why it can't be done, given the proper set of circumstances, such as those which exist in this case.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The FBI never said the tape was manipulated. What if they do?

[treetime]

Originally posted by No Nic
“My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen.

Come on, people, step up to the plate. You collected funds for a letter to Oprah (LOL), you collected funds for Joran's attorney, you collected funds to replace a crashed car..........WHY won't you help this poor man who has been so severely abused by the big, bad, ugly American TV personality. Don't be shy, just jump right in an DO IT !! He needs YOU !! ARUBA needs YOU !! Help them, please, help them. If you only donate one dollar each, it can be done.

imo

the chances of any one donating funds to help K2 are about the same as JOE T sueing anyone


AINT gonna happen............................................ EVER
:D

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The FBI never said the tape was manipulated. Can you prove that?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic
“My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen.

Come on, people, step up to the plate. You collected funds for a letter to Oprah (LOL), you collected funds for Joran's attorney, you collected funds to replace a crashed car..........WHY won't you help this poor man who has been so severely abused by the big, bad, ugly American TV personality. Don't be shy, just jump right in an DO IT !! He needs YOU !! ARUBA needs YOU !! Help them, please, help them. If you only donate one dollar each, it can be done.

imo

So you know he can sue Oprah? I'm not so sure......the lawsuit may fall back on Skeeter......and Skeeter is not Oprah.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't know, but I can't imagine why it can't be done, given the proper set of circumstances, such as those which exist in this case.

IMO It can't be done in a case such as this

[treetime]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
What if they do?

they wont

didnt happen
:D

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by treetime


the chances of any one donating funds to help K2 are about the same as JOE T sueing anyone


AINT gonna happen............................................ EVER
:D


Yep just like the civil suit by Beth was going to be heard in NY. ROFLMAO

ETA....BANK IT

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic
“My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen.

Come on, people, step up to the plate. You collected funds for a letter to Oprah (LOL), you collected funds for Joran's attorney, you collected funds to replace a crashed car..........WHY won't you help this poor man who has been so severely abused by the big, bad, ugly American TV personality. Don't be shy, just jump right in an DO IT !! He needs YOU !! ARUBA needs YOU !! Help them, please, help them. If you only donate one dollar each, it can be done.

imo

I think they are selective with their sympathies. Maybe the "tall, blue-eyed Dutch Boy" is more of a cause celebre?

As if JoeT. could not find a lawyer hungry enough to take such a slam dunk case.....authenticated by the "WORLD RENOWNED DUTCH FORENSIC INSTITUTE".....in order to profit off of Dr. Phil et al?

Please. Pfffft.

imo.

[treetime]

Originally posted by Narcissist15



Yep just like the civil suit by Beth was going to be heard in NY. ROFLMAO

all part of the master plan


did i mention i know why some of the statements DONT appear to be signed ??


i aint tellin, but i know

im surprised nobody else knows

am i that much smarter than people here...????


:tongue: :tongue:

[treetime]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


I think they are selective with their sympathies. Maybe the "tall, blue-eyed Dutch Boy" is more of a cause celebre?

As if JoeT. could not find a lawyer hungry enough to take such a slam dunk case.....authenticated by the "WORLD RENOWNED DUTCH FORENSIC INSTITUTE".....in order to profit off of Dr. Phil et al?

Please. Pfffft.

imo.

MEGA LOAD

MEGA LOAD

MEGA LOAD


JOE T. been very quiet

:D

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


So you know he can sue Oprah? I'm not so sure......the lawsuit may fall back on Skeeter......and Skeeter is not Oprah.

I will ask you kindly to please not put words in my post. I said NOTHING about him suing Oprah. Unless she is the ONLY TV personality out there?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


I think they are selective with their sympathies. Maybe the "tall, blue-eyed Dutch Boy" is more of a cause celebre?

As if JoeT. could not find a lawyer hungry enough to take such a slam dunk case.....authenticated by the "WORLD RENOWNED DUTCH FORENSIC INSTITUTE".....in order to profit off of Dr. Phil et al?

Please. Pfffft.

imo.


And they would have to have proof that Dr. Phil and company was aware of such manipulation of the tape......and Skeeter probably signed a contract.....

so it would probably be a filing against Skeeter.....and Skeeter is not Oprah.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


In addition to my previous post to you:

Tapes are physical pieces of evidence that can be validated.

CE is circumstantial evidence....not physical evidence like the tape.

I'm surprised you cannot understand the difference.

imo. Try again. Here is what Narc said:

so much CE that the tape on Dr. Phil was manipulated

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom


Beth called it a confession. Was she lying?

(and he said it WOULD HAVE been simple)

He confessed inadvertently because he was boasting. However, to Beth, and to anyone else who truly seeks justice for Natalee, it was a confession.

No, he didn't say it would have been simple. Deepak said, in reply to Skeeter artfully asking him if Natalee had sex with all of them: "She did, and you'd be surprised how simple it was..."

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic
“My client has limited means and cannot just institute a lawsuit in the United States”, said lawyer Rudi Oomen.

Come on, people, step up to the plate. You collected funds for a letter to Oprah (LOL), you collected funds for Joran's attorney, you collected funds to replace a crashed car..........WHY won't you help this poor man who has been so severely abused by the big, bad, ugly American TV personality. Don't be shy, just jump right in an DO IT !! He needs YOU !! ARUBA needs YOU !! Help them, please, help them. If you only donate one dollar each, it can be done.

imo Since you are so concerned about, why don't you start a pay pal fund on Deepak's behalf.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


I will ask you kindly to please not put words in my post. I said NOTHING about him suing Oprah. Unless she is the ONLY TV personality out there?

Dr. Phil's show is owned by Oprah......goodness....

so the suit would be against Oprah.....though I doubt they would have proof that the company knew of the manipulation....and the case would fall in Skeeter's lap......

not the multi-millionaire

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15



And they would have to have proof that Dr. Phil and company was aware of such manipulation of the tape......and Skeeter probably signed a contract.....

so it would probably be a filing against Skeeter.....and Skeeter is not Oprah.

Well, the whole point is that there is NO SUCH LAWSUIT happening because the tapes were NOt MANIPULATED!

:patriot:

imo.

[Narcissist15]

Yep that is the manipulated version.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


He confessed inadvertently because he was boasting. To Beth, and to anyone else who truly seeks justice for Natalee, it was a confession.

No, he didn't say it would have been simple. Deepak said, in reply to Skeeter artfully asking him if Natalee had sex with all of them: "She did, and you'd be simple how simple it was..."

IMO You just said it wasn't a confession though. "Deepak didn't confess". So does this mean you don't "truly seeks justice for Natalee" since you deny it was a confession?

That's what his words were altered to say on the Dr Phil manipulated tape, but not on the unedited and unaltered tape.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Well, the whole point is that there is NO SUCH LAWSUIT happening because the tapes were NOt MANIPULATED!

Point, set and match! (and thanks for making my point)

:patriot:

imo.

You have proven over and over that they were manipulated......this isn't tennis. :)

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Well, the whole point is that there is NO SUCH LAWSUIT happening because the tapes were NOt MANIPULATED!

Point, set and match! (and thanks for making my point)

:patriot:

imo.

Can't wait for the FBI to release info......it will support the fact that it was manipulated.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't know, but I can't imagine why it can't be done, given the proper set of circumstances, such as those which exist in this case.

IMO

It would be a violation of International Law.

:)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Well, the whole point is that there is NO SUCH LAWSUIT happening because the tapes were NOt MANIPULATED!

Point, set and match! (and thanks for making my point)

:patriot:

imo. No, there is no lawsuit because there is no money for one.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
You just said it wasn't a confession though. "Deepak didn't confess". So does this mean you don't "truly seeks justice for Natalee" since you deny it was a confession?

That's what his words were altered to say on the Dr Phil manipulated tape, but not on the unedited and unaltered tape.



Spun herself into a hole huh? :tongue:

[Narcissist15]

Skeeter.....sue me......

Your tape that was played on Dr. Phil was manipulated.....

Sue me....

if you don't then that means I'm right.

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Yep that is the manipulated version.

Until you can prove there IS a manipulated version........

imo.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Well, the whole point is that there is NO SUCH LAWSUIT happening because the tapes were NOt MANIPULATED!

Point, set and match! (and thanks for making my point)

:patriot:

imo.

EXACTLY, Miami. That is why "they" have never entertained the idea of helping Deepak in any way shape or form. They are afraid it would backfire BIGTIME !!

If the FBI agreed with the DFI why wouldn't they say so. They agreed with the "not blood" samples, didn't they? To me that says, it just may be that they do not agree with the DFI findings of the tape.

imo

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Until you can prove there IS a manipulated version........

imo.

Dr. Phil played the manipulated version......I used that weak CE that you claim is the best....along with others.....

I guess it's not the best if you claim it's not good enough.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by nascarmom

How would the FBI work product at the behest of a foreign government fall under FOIA?

Under what circumstances can the FBI extradite foreign nationals and stand them on trial for the killing of an American citizen?

BUMP for a response from Paula

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Well, the whole point is that there is NO SUCH LAWSUIT happening because the tapes were NOt MANIPULATED!

Point, set and match! (and thanks for making my point)

:patriot:

imo.

Manipulating tapes to change someone's meaning, who is already a suspect, is a serious offense, which could result in criminal charges. Not only weren't there any criminal charges filed, but there was no lawsuit filed either. Neither will there ever be.

I suspect Beth would be delighted if they dared file such a lawsuit. The FBI would be called to testify, and all the dirt would come out.

IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Until you can prove there IS a manipulated version........

imo.



It has been proven. Open your eyes and read the links provided. :rolleyes:

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


EXACTLY, Miami. That is why "they" have never entertained the idea of helping Deepak in any way shape or form. They are afraid it would backfire BIGTIME !!

If the FBI agreed with the DFI why wouldn't they say so. They agreed with the "not blood" samples, didn't they? To me that says, it just may be that they do not agree with the DFI findings of the tape.

imo

So where is your apology for claiming I put words in your mouth about Oprah?

ETA...it's not my fault you didn't know that Oprah owns the Production company that does the Dr. Phil show.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
Skeeter.....sue me......

Your tape that was played on Dr. Phil was manipulated.....

Sue me....

if you don't then that means I'm right.
And if the FBI analyzes first then sends to the DFI but the FBI doesn't release it's findings, then you are wrong.:tongue:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by nascarmom
No, there is no lawsuit because there is no money for one.

Put your money where your mouth is. JoeT was pro bono for Joran and you all started donations for his attorney fees. If you believe just as strongly in Deepak, where is your help??

This is for all Joran supporters, not meant for car only.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


EXACTLY, Miami. That is why "they" have never entertained the idea of helping Deepak in any way shape or form. They are afraid it would backfire BIGTIME !!

If the FBI agreed with the DFI why wouldn't they say so. They agreed with the "not blood" samples, didn't they? To me that says, it just may be that they do not agree with the DFI findings of the tape.

imo


Now the FBI agrees it wasn't blood? Boy you sure changed your tune about that fast.

:rolleyes:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


EXACTLY, Miami. That is why "they" have never entertained the idea of helping Deepak in any way shape or form. They are afraid it would backfire BIGTIME !!

If the FBI agreed with the DFI why wouldn't they say so. They agreed with the "not blood" samples, didn't they? To me that says, it just may be that they do not agree with the DFI findings of the tape.

imo

Another excellent observation, NN! They sure contradicted the "blood evidence."

Yet, not a sound regarding the "WORLD RENOWNED DUTCH FORENSIC INSTITUTE'S" findings.

I guess as a professional courtesy and the desire to avoid starting an International dispute, they decided not to make the "World Renowned Dutch Forensic Institute" look like a bunch of incompetents......like ALE.

<LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL>

IMO.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Manipulating tapes to change someone's meaning, who is already a suspect, is a serious offense, which could result in criminal charges. Not only weren't there any criminal charges filed, but there was no lawsuit filed either. Neither will there ever be.

I suspect Beth would be delighted if they dared file such a lawsuit. The FBI would be called to testify, and all the dirt would come out.

IMO What criminal charge would that be?

Deepak doesn't have the money to file a law suit,

How come Beth didn't use the tape in her civil suit filing?

What 'dirt' do you think would come out?

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by nascarmom

And if the FBI analyzes first then sends to the DFI but the FBI doesn't release it's findings, then you are wrong.:tongue:

This is like a comedy.......

I can't wait :) I'm begging the FBI to release their files.......it'll be great.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Put your money where your mouth is. JoeT was pro bono for Joran and you all started donations for his attorney fees. If you believe just as strongly in Deepak, where is your help??

This is for all Joran supporters, not meant for car only.

imo "you all" ??????

You are the one concerned about a law suit, you collect the money!

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Can't wait for the FBI to release info......it will support the fact that it was manipulated.

I doubt the FBI will ever release information. The investigation may be close, but the case will remain open. As long as it's an open case the information will remain sealed and beyond the reach of FOIA.

Of course if Aruba opens their files when the investigation ends, the FBI reports should be included.

:)

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by No Nic


Put your money where your mouth is. JoeT was pro bono for Joran and you all started donations for his attorney fees. If you believe just as strongly in Deepak, where is your help??

This is for all Joran supporters, not meant for car only.

imo

Selective compassion, NN! I wonder why they favor Joran over the Kalpoes? Hmmmmm.

The whole "not being able to afford a lawyer" is total BS, as there are plenty of publicity hound lawyers out there just dying for a piece of this action and the windfall it would bring in myriad ways.

BUT, if the case were WEAK.....as in if the tapes are authentic - then NO lawyer would take this case on........and as we see.....NO LAWYER has.

Simple.

imo.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom


BUMP for a response from Paula

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me, if a government fails to prosecute those responsible for the murder, kidnapping, etc (ALE's claim) of an American tourist, when there is sufficient evidence to do so, that our government should have the power to protect and defend its citizens against such willful failures.

IMO

[Narcissist15]

MN....HP.....anyone that has the link to the e-mail between the Skeeter and SM poster would you please provide it in my pm?

I would gladly give you a link to a anti-Aruba site that has the Deepak-Skeeter tapes......

so I don't know why you would not give me a link to such an incredible e-mail.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't know, but I can't imagine why it can't be done, given the proper set of circumstances, such as those which exist in this case.

IMO I can only think of one time. And it wasn't similar to this. MOO

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Another excellent observation, NN! They sure contradicted the "blood evidence."

Yet, not a sound regarding the "WORLD RENOWNED DUTCH FORENSIC INSTITUTE'S" findings.

I guess as a professional courtesy and the desire to avoid starting an International dispute, they decided not to make the "World Renowned Dutch Forensic Institute" look like a bunch of incompetents......like ALE.

<LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL>

IMO.

They haven't make them look like a bunch of incompetents YET, Miami, it's not over YET. When they close this case, release all the suspects, let's see what happens.

I just find it so funny how "they" claim the FBI "does release findings" when they think it is in their favor, but of course it's a different ball game when they don't release findings on other testings. Must mean only one thing.......the FBI does not agree with the "reported" DFI findings on the tape.

imo

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me, if a government fails to prosecute those responsible for the murder, kidnapping, etc (ALE's claim) of an American tourist, when there is sufficient evidence to do so, that our government should have the power to protect and defend its citizens against such willful failures.

IMO

Thing is.....that those in the government that have seen what was done have felt that the Aruban government did a good job....

more CE. :)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


This is like a comedy.......

I can't wait :) I'm begging the FBI to release their files.......it'll be great.

Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


This is like a comedy.......

I can't wait :) I'm begging the FBI to release their files.......it'll be great.

Let's see, no evidence of a crime is evidence of a cover up and corruption.

No law suit is evidence of authenticity.

No release of findings from the FBI is evidence of no manipulation.

No charges being brought is evidence of ineptness.

Announcing a release date a month in advance is evidence of hiding under the cloak of Katrina



Alice has stepped thru the looking glass.............

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15
MN....HP.....anyone that has the link to the e-mail between the Skeeter and SM poster would you please provide it in my pm?

I would gladly give you a link to a anti-Aruba site that has the Deepak-Skeeter tapes......

so I don't know why you would not give me a link to such an incredible e-mail.

I thought someone else had already sent it to you. Doing it now.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


So you know he can sue Oprah? I'm not so sure......the lawsuit may fall back on Skeeter......and Skeeter is not Oprah. It doesn't seem worth it. Deepak might win damages of $10,000 but what would it cost him to come here? Many times people are right and can win but it isn't worth it.

MOO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


They haven't make them look like a bunch of incompetents YET, Miami, it's not over YET. When they close this case, release all the suspects, let's see what happens.

I just find it so funny how "they" claim the FBI "does release findings" when they think it is in their favor, but of course it's a different ball game when they don't release findings on other testings. Must mean only one thing.......the FBI does not agree with the "reported" DFI findings on the tape.

imo

ROFLMAO.....must mean only one thing.....

can't wait for the FBI to release the info.........it'll be a great day....especially for J2k and Aruba.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Be careful what you wish for. You might get it. Bring it on, let's expose some more of Beth's lies.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.


I hope to get it......can't wait.......BRING IT ON......

great day for J2K and Aruba.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


I doubt the FBI will ever release information. The investigation may be close, but the case will remain open. As long as it's an open case the information will remain sealed and beyond the reach of FOIA.

Of course if Aruba opens their files when the investigation ends, the FBI reports should be included.

:)

And I can't wait for that day......good....great.....supreme day. :)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Selective compassion, NN! I wonder why they favor Joran over the Kalpoes? Hmmmmm.

The whole "not being able to afford a lawyer" is total BS, as there are plenty of publicity hound lawyers out there just dying for a piece of this action and the windfall it would bring in myriad ways.

BUT, if the case were WEAK.....as in if the tapes are authentic - then NO lawyer would take this case on........and as we see.....NO LAWYER has.

Simple.

imo.

And car actually thinks I would have any interest in helping any of the three island punks.

I was only making a suggestion because I though he/she cared about "justice" for JK2, but I guess they only have enough "justice" for J only. ROTFLMAO

imo

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


I thought someone else had already sent it to you. Doing it now.

Thank you. :)

ETA....haven't got it yet

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom
You just said it wasn't a confession though. "Deepak didn't confess". So does this mean you don't "truly seeks justice for Natalee" since you deny it was a confession?

That's what his words were altered to say on the Dr Phil manipulated tape, but not on the unedited and unaltered tape. Doesn't a confession indicate a crime was committed?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me, if a government fails to prosecute those responsible for the murder, kidnapping, etc (ALE's claim) of an American tourist, when there is sufficient evidence to do so, that our government should have the power to protect and defend its citizens against such willful failures.

IMO
Who said there is sufficient evidence?

When you leave the USA and her territories, you no longer fall under her laws or protections. There are very very limited instances where the US Gvt will extradite a foreign national for a crime committed to one of her citizens on foreign soil, and this case isn't one of them.

There is no 'willful failure'. Agents of the very government you want to take over this case have indicated it.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Can't wait for the FBI to release info......it will support the fact that it was manipulated. Why would the FBI release info?

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Why would the FBI release info? Lawsuit

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Doesn't a confession indicate a crime was committed?

Right.....even if Deepak admitted to the question asked.....it wasn't a confession to a crime.....

but he didn't admit to the question period...so definitely not a crime.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.



Advice you should take considering how many times you have been wrong about this case.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Why would the FBI release info?

I don't know what the guidelines are....but they released info in the past....I imagine they will release it in the future.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Doesn't a confession indicate a crime was committed? A crime or a wrong

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


And car actually thinks I would have any interest in helping any of the three island punks.

I was only making a suggestion because I though he/she cared about "justice" for JK2, but I guess they only have enough "justice" for J only. ROTFLMAO

imo

I haven't seen any lawsuits yet by anyone.....if Joran wins....I would guess that maybe an attorney would pick up the K bros and file suits in their name.......

No Nic...the civil suit against Joran was dismissed.....who knows what will happen in suits filed by Joran and the rest of the victims in this case.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


And car actually thinks I would have any interest in helping any of the three island punks.

I was only making a suggestion because I though he/she cared about "justice" for JK2, but I guess they only have enough "justice" for J only. ROTFLMAO

imo You are the one going on and on about why Deepak isn't suing because he doesn't have any money. Since you are so concerned about it, you start a fund.

Joran got his justice, he won the ruling on the dismissal of the law suit. SWEEEET :rose:

[Narcissist15]

MiamiNice I have yet to get a pm to the link?

Is there a problem?

ETA.....the link to an e-mail between Skeeter and an SM poster....to be specific.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
You are the one going on and on about why Deepak isn't suing because he doesn't have any money. Since you are so concerned about it, you start a fund.

Joran got his justice, he won the ruling on the dismissal of the law suit. SWEEEET :rose:


It is pure bait. ;)

[No Nic]

THE TRUTH IS NOT BAIT

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom
You are the one going on and on about why Deepak isn't suing because he doesn't have any money. Since you are so concerned about it, you start a fund.

Joran got his justice, he won the ruling on the dismissal of the law suit. SWEEEET :rose:

He won the battle, but not the war. Stay tuned.

What's sweet?

:rose: Remembering Natalee

:rose: For Beth and the pain she has endured at the hands of the Aruban government and the suspects they are desperate to protect, so more dirt doesn't come out.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic
THE TRUTH IS NOT BAIT

Truer words were never posted.

That's when you know you're striking a chord, when they protest too much and claim it's bait.

IMO

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic
THE TRUTH IS NOT BAIT

Remember that when people speak of Beth's lies.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


Selective compassion, NN! I wonder why they favor Joran over the Kalpoes? Hmmmmm.

The whole "not being able to afford a lawyer" is total BS, as there are plenty of publicity hound lawyers out there just dying for a piece of this action and the windfall it would bring in myriad ways.

BUT, if the case were WEAK.....as in if the tapes are authentic - then NO lawyer would take this case on........and as we see.....NO LAWYER has.

Simple.

imo.

Yeah simple.

Deepak isn't an American citizen, how would he have access to approach an American atty to ask them to take his case?

Plus he has no money.

The lack of a law suit over the authenticity of the tape is not proof it isn't manipulated.

The fact that it wasn't attached to Beth's civil suit filing is proof that it is.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Remember that when people speak of Beth's lies.

Why don't you focus on the lies the suspects told, if you really are concerned about Natalee?

The answers lie (no pun intended) with the suspects, not with Beth.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


He won the battle, but not the war. Stay tuned.

What's sweet?

:rose: Remembering Natalee

:rose: For Beth and the pain she has endured at the hands of the Aruban government and the suspects they are desperate to protect, so more dirt doesn't come out.

IMO

Paula, I would think that Joran (since he is the MAIN suspect and was imprisoned the longest) must be feeling some of this:

Deepak Kalpoe: I don't have any close friends anymore; they're all gone.

Deepak Kalpoe: Everyone is gone

Deepak Kalpoe: Everything is empty. The bottle is empty.the party is..

Deepak Kalpoe: All gone

(taken directly from the "unedited" Deepak tapes at Scrux.

imo

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Truer words were never posted.

That's when you know you're striking a chord, when they protest too much and claim it's bait.

IMO


Oh? Like you do whenever anyone posts about Beth's lies?


ROFLMAO.

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me, if a government fails to prosecute those responsible for the murder, kidnapping, etc (ALE's claim) of an American tourist, when there is sufficient evidence to do so, that our government should have the power to protect and defend its citizens against such willful failures.

IMO Beth has said you can't do that. Be aware when you go to a foreign country you leave the Constitution behind. See Beth's Foundation website.

MOO

[Unperson1984]

I'm making an educated guess that if any lawsuits are filed, it will be after the J2K are released as suspects.

:)

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


He won the battle, but not the war. Stay tuned.

What's sweet?

Remembering Natalee

For Beth and the pain she has endured at the hands of the Aruban government and the suspects they are desperate to protect, so more dirt doesn't come out.

IMO

:rose: For Joran for winning the ruling in the civil suit

:rose: For Paulus for winning all that money

:rose: For the good citizens of Aruba for out classing the ugly Americans led by H/T

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why don't you focus on the lies the suspects told, if you really are concerned about Natalee?

The answers lie (no pun intended) with the suspects, not with Beth.

I do consider the lies by the suspects.......

I agree they lied and it was the wrong thing to do.

The truth is not bait....and Beth has told her fair share....along with Skeeter and Dr. Phil.....

but you can't seem to admit that is a possibility.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Unperson1984
I'm making an educated guess that if any lawsuits are filed, it will be after the J2K are released as suspects.

:)

I would agree with your educated guess.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Truer words were never posted.

That's when you know you're striking a chord, when they protest too much and claim it's bait.

IMO

It's their only defense. :D

imo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by No Nic


Paula, I would think that Joran (since he is the MAIN suspect and was imprisoned the longest) must be feeling some of this:

Deepak Kalpoe: I don't have any close friends anymore; they're all gone.

Deepak Kalpoe: Everyone is gone

Deepak Kalpoe: Everything is empty. The bottle is empty.the party is..

Deepak Kalpoe: All gone

(taken directly from the "unedited" Deepak tapes at Scrux.

imo

NN...

The talk on the Island, among the people, is that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. And yes, they believe he killed her. This is what was told to me by my friend, who has family living there.

I agree, that he is likely ostracized, just as OJ Simpson was ostracized after he killed Nicole and Ron.

ETA: Even some of their friends have left Aruba, e.g., Guido Weber and Koen too, IIRC.
IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why don't you focus on the lies the suspects told, if you really are concerned about Natalee?

The answers lie (no pun intended) with the suspects, not with Beth.
There are 10 suspects, none of them have been charged with a crime. Time to move on.

Perhaps to Mountain Brook.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Beth has said you can't do that. Be aware when you go to a foreign country you leave the Constitution behind. See Beth's Foundation website.

MOO

Absolutely. When you book a trip to a foreign nation, caveat emptor definitely applies.

:)

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


NN...

The talk on the Island, among the people, is that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. And yes, they believe he killed her. This is what was told to me by my friend, who has family living there.

I agree, that he is likely ostracized, just as OJ Simpson was ostracized after he killed Nicole and Ron.

IMO

And just like OJ, there is always that beautiful young woman out there that wants the notoriety (puting it nicely) of being seen on his arm. LOL

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


NN...

The talk on the Island, among the people, is that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. And yes, they believe he killed her. This is what was told to me by my friend, who has family living there.

I agree, that he is likely ostracized, just as OJ Simpson was ostracized after he killed Nicole and Ron.

IMO


Funny...the talk I hear is exactly the opposite. And it also came from someone living in Aruba.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


NN...

The talk on the Island, among the people, is that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. And yes, they believe he killed her. This is what was told to me by my friend, who has family living there.

I agree, that he is likely ostracized, just as OJ Simpson was ostracized after he killed Nicole and Ron.

IMO

LOL.....I doubt it....and you can't prove it.

I talk to people on the island and they feel that Beth and ALE focused too much on Joran......yes that is to knock ALE....plus some feel there is the possibility that Natalee ran off.....IMO :D

ETA...won't get into some feeling that those in MB were responsible for Natalee running off, and why. :D

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


Right.....even if Deepak admitted to the question asked.....it wasn't a confession to a crime.....

but he didn't admit to the question period...so definitely not a crime. I don't really see the importance of the tape except to get some huge ratings during a rating period. If it was "proof" Skeeter would have given it to authorities, one would hope.

It was just a stunt. For better or worse, many people know the name Skeeters. Deepak can simply deny it.

MOO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


LOL.....I doubt it....and you can't prove it.

I talk to people on the island and they feel that Beth and ALE focused too much on Joran......yes that is to knock ALE....plus some feel there is the possibility that Natalee ran off.....IMO :D

I have no desire or intention to prove anything to you.

[Unperson1984]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


NN...

The talk on the Island, among the people, is that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. And yes, they believe he killed her. This is what was told to me by my friend, who has family living there.

I agree, that he is likely ostracized, just as OJ Simpson was ostracized after he killed Nicole and Ron.

ETA: Even some of their friends have left Aruba, e.g., Guido Weber and Koen too, IIRC.
IMO

Didn't someone post on Greta's blog that Joran is congratulated and treated well everywhere he goes in Aruba. IIRC, the person was quite angry about it in her post.


:)

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I don't really see the importance of the tape except to get some huge ratings during a rating period. If it was "proof" Skeeter would have given it to authorities, one would hope.

It was just a stunt. For better or worse, many people know the name Skeeters. Deepak can simply deny it.

MOO

But some here feel that it is important and proves something......even if he admitted it....it proves nothing.....which is funny....

at this point if Deepak admitted that they all had sex with Natalee it doesn't prove any crime.....

Natalee was not the young woman that Beth tried to betray her as.

[No Nic]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I have no desire or intention to prove anything to you.

Not to worry, Paula. Unlike your source, the ones they are speaking of are most likely the Dutch/Arubans posting at RU and FOB, we both know how credible and/or believable they are.

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


NN...

The talk on the Island, among the people, is that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. And yes, they believe he killed her. This is what was told to me by my friend, who has family living there.

I agree, that he is likely ostracized, just as OJ Simpson was ostracized after he killed Nicole and Ron.

ETA: Even some of their friends have left Aruba, e.g., Guido Weber and Koen too, IIRC.
IMO

No, that is not the talk at all. This was told to me by a family that lives there.

If he's ostracized, why did that nutcase that wrote to Greta want to punch him after he was greeted with high fives at a casino?

If he's ostracized, why did he stay with a pretty girl on the island over the summer?

The good people of Aruba know an arrest does not indicate guilt.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Unperson1984


Didn't someone post on Greta's blog that Joran is congratulated and treated well everywhere he goes in Aruba. IIRC, the person was quite angry about it in her post.


:)


She also claimed to be robbed on the beach for a couple of thousand dollars in possessions. I don't buy a word of it. I think it was someone from one of the really nasty pro Beth hate sites thinking she was pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

[Narcissist15]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not to worry, Paula. Unlike your source, the ones they are speaking of are most likely the Dutch/Arubans posting at RU and FOB, we both know how credible and/or believable they are.

imo

Oh now you can speculate who I know......LOL

As a matter of fact you are incorrect if you are speaking of me.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not to worry, Paula. Unlike your source, the ones they are speaking of are most likely the Dutch/Arubans posting at RU and FOB, we both know how credible and/or believable they are.

imo yes we do. They are above reproach and would NEVER post a FALSE translation of a document.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by No Nic


Not to worry, Paula. Unlike your source, the ones they are speaking of are most likely the Dutch/Arubans posting at RU and FOB, we both know how credible and/or believable they are.

imo



As usual you are wrong again.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom


No, that is not the talk at all. This was told to me by a family that lives there.

If he's ostracized, why did that nutcase that wrote to Greta want to punch him after he was greeted with high fives at a casino?

If he's ostracized, why did he stay with a pretty girl on the island over the summer?

The good people of Aruba know an arrest does not indicate guilt.


Silly you. Did you forget that was a pr stunt planned before they even knew documents were going to be released and the civil suit ruling was going to be handed down? :tongue:

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by nascarmom

There are 10 suspects, none of them have been charged with a crime. Time to move on.

Perhaps to Mountain Brook. Several of the suspects are possibly very interesting. I would certainly like to know more about GVC and his family.

MOO

[MiamiNice1]

Originally posted by Hey Paula

NN...

The talk on the Island, among the people, is that Joran is responsible for Natalee's disappearance. And yes, they believe he killed her. This is what was told to me by my friend, who has family living there.

I agree, that he is likely ostracized, just as OJ Simpson was ostracized after he killed Nicole and Ron.

ETA: Even some of their friends have left Aruba, e.g., Guido Weber and Koen too, IIRC.
IMO

You know, Paula, I live a few blocks away from OJ and he frequents a nearby local breakfast place that I also go to. It never ceases to amaze me how people go up to him for autographs and pictures.

HOWEVER, he has been quietly shunned from all the major golf courses and no one of any importance wants to associate with him. I believe it will be the same with Joran. People will only want to be seen with him due to the "thrill" of his notoriety.

The cloud of suspicion will never leave him.

IMO.

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Several of the suspects are possibly very interesting. I would certainly like to know more about GVC and his family.

MOO


But he didn't punch her on the night she disappeared so even though she was only there five days and had someone attack her he shouldn't be looked at.

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


And just like OJ, there is always that beautiful young woman out there that wants the notoriety (puting it nicely) of being seen on his arm. LOL

And don't forget the ones hanging on his arm for the PR op!

[Luke Davis]

Originally posted by No Nic


And just like OJ, there is always that beautiful young woman out there that wants the notoriety (puting it nicely) of being seen on his arm. LOL O/T Did anyone watch Nancy Grace? They showed OJ doing a triple lap dance!

MOO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


More PR at work, I suspect! Nope, just the TRUTH.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
O/T Did anyone watch Nancy Grace? They showed OJ doing a triple lap dance!

MOO

It was revolting. He is a sick puppy.

IMO

[Watership Down]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Nope, just the TRUTH.



Let her have her suspicions. That's all she has in this case. :tongue:

[No Nic]

Originally posted by MiamiNice1


You know, Paula, I live a few blocks away from OJ and he frequents a nearby local breakfast place that I also go to. It never ceases to amaze me how people go up to him for autographs and pictures.

HOWEVER, he has been quietly shunned from all the major golf courses and no one of any importance wants to associate with him. I believe it will be the same with Joran. People will only want to be seen with him due to the "thrill" of his notoriety.

The cloud of suspicion will never leave him.

IMO.

Yep !! I have no doubt that Joran is High Fived in the bars and the casinos in Aruba, that's where his (low) life is. But what about the GOOD people of Aruba, how do they feel ? Like Paula said, they believe he is guilty of the murder of Natalee Holloway and the cause of ALL of Aruba's bad publicity that is destroying their livelihoods.

imo

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by Watership Down



But he didn't punch her on the night she disappeared so even though she was only there five days and had someone attack her he shouldn't be looked at.
Natalee didn't know him. Beth never heard his name before. But his name came up in Beth's papers a few times. He never had any contact with Natalee. Maybe he and Natalee brushed shoulders on the beach. He punched Natalee.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Nope, just the TRUTH.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the RU's, themselves, who sent that to Greta. PR campaign at work! Good going for those who fall for it.

IMO

[nascarmom]

Originally posted by No Nic


Yep !! I have no doubt that Joran is High Fived in the bars and the casinos in Aruba, that's where his (low) life is. But what about the GOOD people of Aruba, how do they feel ? Like Paula said, they believe he is guilty of the murder of Natalee Holloway and the cause of ALL of Aruba's bad publicity that is destroying their livelihoods.

imo LMAO.