old Discussion 7/30-8/9/06

[julianella]

Originally posted by victims feel
It would make sense to say____owns the car but _____ sometimes drives it.

And how odd that being they were not real long time buddies that JVDS would be seen even one time driving the car????

That is interesting that he was not with them ofter per Joran, and he had only known them a few months per Joran yet when Deepaks car is mentioned they right away associate it with Joran!

[julianella]

Originally posted by Laurus


The question we have been discussing for a long time, is why Mrs. Twitty has the vendetta against Joran.

Sure she called the Kalpoes criminals who were involved in a violent crime against her daughter.

Why is she not still mad at them?

IMO

Who says she is not mad? They aren't going on TV, they are not going to the same hotel Natalee stayed at with another blond female knowing it will cause attention. They are not writing a book.

They are sitting back and letting their lawyer handle everything! She still says they are ALL responsible for all her accusations. ALL of them!

A statement was made that she has never varbally attacked anyone but Joran and that is not true! Do you agree?

[julianella]

Originally posted by Laurus


Julianella, we never heard a transcript of that conversation.

Nor have we heard a transcript of the night the "possee" went to the VDS home, but you seem to like to speculate on that one!

imo

Hmm where's the difference?

[julianella]

Originally posted by Laurus


JVDS was not seen driving the car, there has been no source in the case saying that.

Except I believe Dave did list that in the items he has against the kid that runs Aruba....that he drives underage. Dave was never publicly called on to explain that allegation.

IMO

I find it interesting that people choose to ask for proof or back up from the family who were not suspects, not on the island, and have only been trying to find their child, yet when the suspects who lied out of jail and in jail say something it must be truth!

Ironic in a sense!

imo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by No Nic


No. What we have been discussing is why "you" only defend Joran. The answer was "because he is the only one that is verbally attacked" (paraphrased in case I got ONE little word wrong).

IF you Joran supporters were still defending K2, we would still be countering that defense also, but "you" all stopped defending K2 a very long time ago.

"you" = general you (so I don't get slammed "I never said that")

imo

Here is your original post and my response:

"cassidy
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Originally posted by No Nic


Joran Joran Joran.............Lied Lied Lied and then Lied again and again and again.

I don't see ANYBODY defending ANY other "suspects". Why is that??
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Because no one is verbally attacking them? "
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What do we know of the other suspects? Do we know whether they picked up tourist girls in bars? Do we know if they ever snuck out of their homes at nite? Do we know if they gamble? Can we name their old girlfriends? Do we know if they drink (or drank) while underage?

[court~critic1®]

Could it be that BHT is focused on only Joran because her PR person told her to focus on only one person. Because Joran was one of the last persons to be seen with Natalee she picked him??? Or because one of the MB kidlets told her this???

Just a thought imoo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Laurus
"The island reeks of corruption! The natives speak of Beth Twitty as a drunken s lut who fixed the whole story."

"I had the pleasure of taunting Deepak Kalpoe at his place of business and then seeing Joran van der Sloot in the old Wyndham casino the night he was freed from the NY lawsuit. He walked in there with such arrogance that I wanted to punch him out!"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207420,00.html

ROTFLMAO

The funniest letter I've ever seen Greta publish.

IMO

ETA: Greta really showed her sense of humor here.

Holy Cow!!!!!!!!!!! Who in their right mind would take $3000 worth of stuff down to the beach with them? Wonder what it was?

[cassidy]

Originally posted by victims feel
This is why I find the asking for links so confusing. It seems that it is disproportionally asked and enforced.

I am not as involved with this case as others so when things are said I do my own homework first and if I cannot find it, then I ask.

As do the rest of us. For example, when it was stated that there is plenty of circumstantila evidence in this case, I asked for a link. I have not seen a list of circumstantial evidence anywhere. Therefore asking for validation or a link is justified. Since on one has provided one, I am still assuming there is noe.
IMO

[cassidy]

Originally posted by victims feel
I am sorry FM I should have been clearer. I mean NOT ONE PERSON has come forward that is legit. Only legit can claim the reward.

So if 10000 came forward that are not legit =

NO ONE CAME FORWARD.

Not exactly true..they did come forward most likely in a effort to claim the reward. Rewards bring out lots of nuts. And rewards are very very difficult to claim, depending on the wording on how they are to be paid out.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Watership Down




"People in the casino that work there patted him on the back with such celebration it made me sick!"



That part contradicts the claims made here that the locals think Joran is guilty and blames him.

I discounted it as fiction. The Brothers Grimm.

IMO

[julianella]

I wonder what happened to the letter PVDS had from "natalee"?

[cassidy]

Originally posted by victims feel
And you were politely told that there are too many threads/posts/boards to post as they have been discussed adnausem on this case in afew places.

Those who despise the family are very resourceful and asking for a link after you exhaust your own search is acceptable.

To ask for a link to exhaust the poster who supports the family is another and is a subtle form of inciting.

Try this link..www.courttv.ca...then click on NH archives.

Thank You.

I've been there and can find no list of circumstantial evidence relating to this case. I also googled it and came up empty handed

.:shrug:

[julianella]

Originally posted by cassidy


Not exactly true..they did come forward most likely in a effort to claim the reward. Rewards bring out lots of nuts. And rewards are very very difficult to claim, depending on the wording on how they are to be paid out.

Actually the way I understand it a person only gets paid when the TIP is actually leading somewhere! Anyone can come forward and say they know something, but thye don't get money until it pans out!

imo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by julianella


Actually the way I understand it a person only gets paid when the TIP is actually leading somewhere! Anyone can come forward and say they know something, but thye don't get money until it pans out!

imo

Isn't the reward based on the safe return of Natalee?

http://mefast.com/NataleeHolloway/REWARD.html

[julianella]

Originally posted by cassidy


Isn't the reward based on the safe return of Natalee?

http://mefast.com/NataleeHolloway/REWARD.html

I thought there were two! One for information on for her return...

[cassidy]

Originally posted by julianella


I thought there were two! One for information on for her return...

Maybe there are? I'll look again.

[cassidy]

Does anyone know which is the official Natalee Holloway website?

I am finding lots of reward websites with varying amounts and conditions but no way to tell which is the current one.

[cassidy]

Never mind. I found this one. But there is no mention of a reward?

http://www.natalee-holloway.com/

[cassidy]

Does that mean that if she is found alive, she gets the money?Originally posted by fairmaiden


cassidy .... I believe there are a FEW "monies" floating out there .... different funds .... different "rewards", etc. I know, at one time, there was a "Search" fund .... there was a "Reward " fund .... there is now, of course, the "Safe Travels Foundation", which is collecting money each time Beth appears somewhere with her "story".

I have heard it mentioned that Beth funded NO searches .... does someone know that to be, in fact, TRUE?? I would have to ask .... what was the money in the "Search" fund used for IF it wasn't used for searches??

JMO

I'm finding that out LOL. AmSouth now list the donations as going to the Natalee Holloway Trust.

http://www.amsouth.com/special/natalee.asp
Does that mean that if she is found alive, she gets the money?

[cassidy]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I'm just trying to determine how you can arrive at the conclusion, which was the point of your FIRST post on this .... that a crime HAD been committed .... since there have been no "credible/legitimate" witnesses?? That indicates the opposite to me.

JMO Exactly. All of these "witnesses" who have come forward have tried real hard to conjure up a crime and have fallen way short.

IMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


I'm just trying to determine how you can arrive at the conclusion, which was the point of your FIRST post on this .... that a crime HAD been committed .... since there have been no "credible/legitimate" witnesses?? That indicates the opposite to me.

JMO

There are some invesitgators who claimed they are thining murder, and the guy that was at the meeting that the FBI wasn't, last name began with B, he stated that also. There was a link I posted last week. So if there is no evidence what so ever, why would these people believe this?

[julianella]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
What about Guido Wever? One of the recent suspects.

MOO

I wonder if the tennis courts have video cameras?

I find it odd that GW was arrested, as a suspect and the charges they were mentioning would have been baciscally that he helped... or something like that?

imo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by julianella


I wonder if the tennis courts have video cameras?

I find it odd that GW was arrested, as a suspect and the charges they were mentioning would have been baciscally that he helped... or something like that?

imo

So what do we know about Guido? does he sneak out of his house at nite? Does he gamble? Does he pick up tourists at bars? Any other charges ever brought against him?

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I think we should discuss Carlos the Columbian again. His pathetic story was good for laughs. :biggrin:
Carlos? the very very credible witness who not only picked up a used condom (ICK), but sent it off to a lab in another country to be frozen? that Carlos?

[Kidproquo]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Hi Luke .... :seeya:

I agree with you. THAT's what I wonder about all the time.

I was stunned when she sort of swept it under the rug that it was GVC who punched Natalee, after letting it stand out there for MONTHS that it was Joran. I mean, she's talking about kidnapping, raping and murdering. Those are all VIOLENT crimes. yet the fact someone PUNCHED Natalee is of no importance .... UNLESS, of course, when it was Joran.

I can't get my head around that.

JMO




I'm sorry, but I've been away from this post for a while, and would like to know who "GVC" is ?

Also, I'd like to congradulate attny Joe for getting this stupid civil suit dismissed.

I'm a "lay" person and knew this to be frivolous.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Some of it might have used to find an attorney.

What happened to the million $ reward offered by that goofy guy from Philadelphia?

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
No one has been charged. The suspects were detained for questioning.

Kidnapping comes into play as a result of Beth saying Natalee would never willingly get in a car with three strange men.

Rape suspicion is a result of Beth's beliefs and some rumors about Natalee going in and out of conciousness while engaged in lustful entanglements.

To my mind, things get very confused because of language, culture and generation differences.

MOO

Some people simply don't understand that.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Evidently he doesn't like paying up. An article was posted awhile back about people due rewards in other cases complaining because he wasn't ponying up.

Figures.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



GVC is Geoffrey Van Cromviort, the 7th or 8th suspect arrrested and according to Beth's latest claim the one who punched Natalee in the bar that Friday night.

Does he have a history of punching the ladies?

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I thought it was interesting that many of the MB grads thought he was a nice normal guy. Of course, now I wonder if they were talking about Joran or some other Dutch guy.

MOO

Sheesh, Luke. Ted Bundy appeared to be a nice normal guy too when you first met him.

moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
If it has something to do with the case - yes.

MOO

For example? What facts are there that Natalee's disappearance in Aruba last year is related to Jug not appearing in the media lately?

moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
:confused: what does Ted Bundy have to do with the Holloway case :confused:

Most narcissistic sociopaths appear nice when you meet them.

In fact, most are very charming.


moo

[treetime]

where are the SNEAKERS ?

HUH ???????

its KOOKIE TALK

walked home, drove home, took a flying carpet home, picked up at 11? picked up at 4 ??

where are the SNEAKERS ???

1. covered with blood and hidden ?

2. covered with SLOP from the landfill after the body was taken there ?

3. in an abandoned septic tank ?

4. ALIENS took them ?



:patriot:

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Gregor's Back

Last I heard he was trying to weasel out of paying a reward he offered in a local case.

"I've paid every reward that I've ever put up in full," he said.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/14989973.htm

[ebnrsg1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
No one has been charged. The suspects were detained for questioning.

Kidnapping comes into play as a result of Beth saying Natalee would never willingly get in a car with three strange men.

Rape suspicion is a result of Beth's beliefs and some rumors about Natalee going in and out of conciousness while engaged in lustful entanglements.

To my mind, things get very confused because of language, culture and generation differences.

MOO
You are right in that things get confusing with the difference in laws, culture etc. but I would think in most democratic countries you would not lock someone up for suspicion of something based solely on the account of someone with obvious agenda. it seems to me that would be akin to me having a dispute over a lot line with my neighbor who just left for Arizona with his wife in the car. I have not seen them since so if I am mad I go to the sheriff and say that he left with her in the car, she hasn't called me and so therefore I would like an APB put out because he kidnapped raped and killed her. I realize this is extreme simplification of a tragic event but in my mind I cannot see how they would arrest someone on suspicion of a crime when they have no evidence that a crime had been committed according to the prosecutor.

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by nascarmom
So they just spend 40% of their annual budget cuz they don't want to solve a case.

I'm with Bachus, HOGWASH!

After listening, watching and reading about this case there are a lot of things that just doesn't add up to me. There has been some things nagging a me for a long time, others may or may not agree with me and that's fine.

Personally and this just my opinion, I personally believe Natalee ran off on her own. And I also believe Beth believe this herself and there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to back up my opinion. Here is why I believe the way I do:

1) Beth said Natalee did not drink

Not only did we not find out Natalee was drinking but there are pictures to suggest she had be drinking long before she left MB.

2) Beth said Natalee did not do drugs

If I believe my child did not do drugs the last place I would be searching would be crack houses - That's just me.

3) I still don't understand why she needed a Med Jet waiting when she could have use any airlines to book a flight home with Natalee. Not only that I'm sure there are hospitals in Aruba and if she needed to be Med Vac back to the US that should have been that hospitals call.

4) Call me Hootie we can work this out?

I will leave this one like that with no further comment.

5) 36 Hours to Find a Police Department?

Again I will leave this one like that with no further comment.

Oh and here is one I forgot to mention per her friends Natalee was drinking responsibly - How does a person who doesn't drink know how to drink responsibly?

These are just a few things, however there are a lot more things that just not making sense to me. I'm sorry but I personally believe Natalee ran off and Beth suspects this herself.

All JMO.

[ebnrsg1]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Well, they can. All they need is SUSPICION.

It's not about a Democratic society, it's about an inquisitive system versus an adversarial system.

Oh Nascar I am not doubting that they can. I just cannot grasp that they could. Seems rather unjust to me that if I get mad at you I can go tell the police something and you will sit in jail and be a suspect for two years.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
We need a Joran, only Joran, just Joran thread.

MOO

Speaking of Joran, his attorney was in the news again today regarding his latest high profile client, Diana Bianchi, alleged mistress of Christy Brinkley's husband, Peter Cook. It has been reported that Joe Tacopina may sue Mr. Cook for sexual harassment. LOL.

"Meanwhile we learn some South Hampton High School classmates of Cook's 19 year old mistress, Diana Bianchi, may reveal E-mails that say she is not exactly an angel....."

".....Bianchi's lawyer, Joe Tacopina says "we are not going to respond to all her high school friends. Diana didn't invite this."

Full article at:

http://www.nydailynews.com

"Christie Can do it without Cook peace offering"

Rush & Molloy - August 8, 2006

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
What is disturbing is allowing people to call others kidnappers, rapists and murderers with NO PROOF and NO TRIAL.

TAKE it up with ALE :D :no:

[treetime]

Originally posted by FitnessMom
Maybe some of us should get together and write a formal letter to Beth.

Nascar, WD, Laurus - what do you all think?



nawwwww....forget it:cool:

[treetime]

i can SENSE something big about to come out regarding this case

i guess im like an EARTHQUAKE detector
:biggrin:

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Why? They aren't calling anyone rapists, murderers and kidnappers :read:

sure they were :D

[treetime]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


I certainly hope you're right Tree. I want something to happen.

I know her family wants/needs the truth, but the rest of us do too.

the truth is staring at MOST people like an ELEPHANT sitting in people's BACK SEAT


:cool:

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
No they weren't :read:

KEEP READING MISSY

sure they did :D

[treetime]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Should we have expected Paulus NOT to have been upset by any of this??

JMO


why should PAULUS be UPSET ?


JORAN was with her, although of course JORAN denied knowing who it was...
:rolleyes:

paulus should have been UPSET because his son lied like a RUG:D

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down




You are joking right?

Why shouldn't he be upset. A group of 12 angry, ugly(attitude)Americans show up on his doorstep at 3am and start accusing his son of God only knows what and what? He's supposed to smile and be happy? Had the posse tried that around here I guarantee they would have been met with much more than glaring eyes.

the POLICE were there also


nothing for paulus to be skeeeeeeeeeeered of

[treetime]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Well, I can only try to put myself in his place, tree. I know, as a parent, I would be upset by 8-10 foreigners showing up at my door at 3:00 a.m., accusing my son of being responsible for the disappearance of an American girl. You mean you WOULDN'T be upset?? This would be a normal occurrence to you??

I'm sure Paulus TRIED to persuade his son to tell the truth .... how would he have knowledge that he WASN'T??

Roll your eyes all you want tree ....

JMO

police were there

nothing for paulus to be skeeeeeeeeered of :D

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
So you refer to him as golden boy as a way to incite?

I support IUPG and if you want to call that way over the top, that is your problem.

And since there is no evidence that a crime was committed or that Joran committed a crime, he could lie all the time like Beth does and it wouldn't matter. No evidence of a crime is no evidence of a crime and his lying does not change that FACT.

He could lie all the time like Beth does? LMAO.

He was there and Beth wasn't. Big difference. I think you have it backward. It doesn't matter if Beth lies because she wasn't there and she's not a suspect.

There's no evidence of a crime because of his lying. He covered it up.

You certainly know how to spin it.

imo


moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


tree .... Being "skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeered" and being upset, are not necessarily the same thing. You wouldn't have been upset if this had happened at your house??

JMO

I'd be more upset if Joran was my son.

Hey FM :seeya:


moo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Most narcissistic sociopaths appear nice when you meet them.

In fact, most are very charming.


moo

But all nice, charming guys aren't narcissistic sociopaths.

[treetime]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


tree .... Being "skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeered" and being upset, are not necessarily the same thing. You wouldn't have been upset if this had happened at your house??

JMO

i aint skeeeeeeeeeered of much :D

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Laurus


The picture is crystal clear to me, and the meaning is huge.

They wanted to get in, and get Natalee away from her tryst without the police knowing and without causing a scandal in MB.

They may have had practice doing this in the past. IMO

In the back of my mind I have always had that feeling and to be honest I still do. Too many things are just not adding, I also feel hustling those MB Students off the island before they were all throughly question has always been an issue with me. If I understand correctly ALE wants to reinterview the students but the parents don't want their students talking to them - Why?

I believe then and I believe now those students did not tell everything they knew, on top of all that they had different versions of when Joran met them or Natalee. Oh and let's not forget first Joran is the person Natalee argued with, then he's not. He's the one who hit her, now he's not the one but someone else did. They can't keep their stories straight until you don't know what to believe from them.

And finally who is the blue eyed Dutch Boy?

Those students should have never been allowed to leave that island until they were all throughly questioned by ALE and the FBI.

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


gcarter .... There's no question about that in my mind either. She should have made a bee-line for a PD the second she landed.

JMO

Exactly.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Then why did Beth instantly hate Joran? Why did Jug dispise Paulus at first glance?

Apparently, he didn't try to charm her.

She must have pizzed him off and hit a nerve. :o


moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
On first meeting, Beth thought Joran was the most arrogant person she ever met. It was instant hate. Just seems odd that she had that reaction while others found him normal, even charming.

MOO

She wounded his narcissism which enraged him.


MOO

[cassidy]

"TWITTY: Well, you know, Greta, it’s hard for me to even respond to that, but if I must, I would hope that Deputy Dompig realizes that we’re not flying family, friends and searchers in and out on brooms to Aruba. You know, we pay air fares. We pay hotel bills. We pay the exorbitant attorney fees, private investigators. You know, one sample of a bill was $37,000 to Medjet (ph) because we had the jet sitting on the tarmac for two days because that’s when we thought we were pulling Natalee out alive of one of their crack houses, being held by a crack addict against her will. So you know, there have been some expenses that we have incurred during this investigation."

What in the world would have made them think Natalee was being held by a crack addict against her will?

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Laurus


I thought their hotel bills were comped, in fact IIRC they were in the presidential suite at one of the hotels.

IMO

What was the date of that interview, I thought it was well into the disappearance that dompig started questioning the money, and that it was after the trust funds were set up.

IMO

IIRC some of the airlines comped them too. As well as restaurants in Aruba.

[bchand]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Then why did Beth instantly hate Joran? Why did Jug dispise Paulus at first glance?

Re Beth/Joran, IMO because of his arrogance. Did you see this picture posted elsewhere yesterday? This is what he looked like after a judge ordered him held 60 more days in jail.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/caribbean/sfl-missinginaruba.gallery,0,4839897.photogallery?coll =sfla-news-caribbean&index=16


Reminds me of "What Me Worry?"

[cassidy]

Originally posted by No Nic


IIRC, this is what she was told (in Aruba) as one of the possibilities of what may have happened to her daughter. She did not come up with this on her own.

imo

IIRC one of the early statements by the students indicated that she left with a "known drug dealer". Wonder how they would recognize a known drug dealer in Aruba? :shrug:

IMO just asking.

[bchand]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Charles Croes spoke with Joran that first night and no reports of arrogance from him, but Beth listening from the car to another language determined there was arrogance.

And how long AFTER that night did she tell of this 'arrogance'? About the same time the bogus story of Joran admitting to sexually assaulting Natalee in front of 10 witnesses was born?

I've always thought her first reference to him was that he was arrogant "to her". IIRC she said he pounded on his chest and said "what do you want ME to do about it".

I took it as - the old best defense is a good offense tactic from him.

Just my opinion.

[bchand]

Originally posted by Laurus


I've seen that quote before, but never with any emphasis on any particular word. And I don't think it had and "about it" at the end.

Just the way I recall it. what do you want me to do? And this in response to her demanding that he "give her back her daughter" IIRC

IMO

You could very well be correct. It may not have had the "about it" at the end.

It's not the words, but the attitude she saw from him that, I believe, shocked her.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by bchand


I've always thought her first reference to him was that he was arrogant "to her". IIRC she said he pounded on his chest and said "what do you want ME to do about it".

I took it as - the old best defense is a good offense tactic from him.

Just my opinion.

Thank you, bc. I believe you are correct.

The first reference that night at his house - Beth saying "I want my daughter and I want her NOW - and the kid responded as saying "What do you want me to DO? Beth was sitting in the car and he walked over there.

moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by bchand


You could very well be correct. It may not have had the "about it" at the end.

It's not the words, but the attitude she saw from him that, I believe, shocked her.

Yes. She's had his number since Day 1 and he knows it.


moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Laurus


Given the snarling, arrogance, and sense of entitlement that is her attitude on TV (IMO) I think we can safely multiply that times 10 to get a feel for her words that night.

IMO

ETA I do hope that the book being written about Joran includes an account of the posse night.

Are you people for real? How do you keep comparing a 44 year old mother of a missing teen to a 17 year old punk?

My son is in college now and he would NEVER speak to a mid aged adult like that - no matter how arrogant she was. He would still attempt to show some modicum of respect just by virtue of the fact that she is older and apparently, was excited over the fact that her daughter was missing.

I don't know whether you have kids - and if you do, I don't know how old they are. Do you - or did you teach them as teens that it was OK to angrily confront someone more than twice their age?


moo

[ebnrsg1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I was thinking about announcing a $5,000,000 reward for the safe return of ebnrsg1.

MOO
that might not be a bad idea Luke. YOu could put it in that bank where the rest of the trust fund money is and then go on a cruise to Aruba. You could check out those leads for Joe T and solve the case. After that you could mull over who gets the reward for a year or 20. At my age I am sure there will be some changes in my condition and then you can say you are not paying it because I was not in the same shape as when I left so I was not safely returned. and you could write a book and get rich off the case and then you could remember all of your friends here on the message board with signed copies of the book

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Laurus


Boy do you have an imagination. You got all that out of "What do you want me to do"?

He walked over to the car to speak to her, didn't he? If he was guilty of something he would never have done that.

How do you get "angrily confront" out of that report by Mrs. Twitty? Even SHE confined her remarks to "arrogant", IIRC.

Croes, who was there, reported absolutely nothing that is in synch with what you are saying. Nor did anyone else say that he was angrily confronting BHT or anyone else.

IMO

It is not I who have the imagination, dear.

It is not I who came up with all of the ridiculous sub-plots with regard to the parents of a missing girl when the truth is staring us in the face.

And I didn't get all that from "What do you want me to do?" while banging on his chest. I have seen this kid - I have heard him speak - I have seen his web page and many, many pictures - all of which consistently add up to an arrogant brat who lives the good life with absolutely no responsibility. I suspect that if he was evaluated he would be diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

As far as Charles Croes is concerned, he was not near the car when the confrontation took place.

Have a good vacation.

moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by fairmaiden


Hey forensic .... You are SUCH a brat .... lol ....

I probably shouldn't have said that .... I might be "ganged up on" .... lol ((I'm teasing you, forensic .... but you KNOW that )) ....

JMO

:D

[bchand]

Aruba Prosecutors to Appeal Damages to Detainee in Holloway Case (http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-23/1155073462283210.xml&storylist=alabamanews)


p.s. where are you going Laurus? Have a great time, wherever you go.

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I have taught mine that it is acceptqable to defend themselves especially against unfounded claims no matter who makes the claims. :rolleyes:

So have I. With respect.

moo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by forensicpsy


Are you people for real? How do you keep comparing a 44 year old mother of a missing teen to a 17 year old punk?

My son is in college now and he would NEVER speak to a mid aged adult like that - no matter how arrogant she was. He would still attempt to show some modicum of respect just by virtue of the fact that she is older and apparently, was excited over the fact that her daughter was missing.

I don't know whether you have kids - and if you do, I don't know how old they are. Do you - or did you teach them as teens that it was OK to angrily confront someone more than twice their age?


moo

We don't know for absolute certainty that he did.
IMO

[ebnrsg1]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
I really wonder why Beth backed off. I can only assume JQK gave her some wise advice.

She had a great opportunity to tell the world of all the proof she had, of witnesses lined up, of facts that would rock the world!

MOO
I am stating something here that I do not know to be true. It has been stated elsewhere on the internet that the reason she was not on with KG the other evening is she was a "no show". Does anyone have good source that this is true. If so she would appear to be burning her best bridges as Fox news was her venue. I do not think that John Q curtailed her as she was on the morning show on Monday morning. As I said I do not know if it is true that they did not cancel her at the last moment but seems that some people think she is the one who opted out

[treetime]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
WOW!


people should NOT count their MISSING SNEAKERS before they are found :D

[dinojen]

OMG reading some of these posts are hilarious.... no one knows what their kid would do in this situation.. I don't care how well you think you know you child or teen...

I raised three of them... and they are good responsible adults..but they have surprised me a few times...

IMO... Beth asked for what she is getting.. she should of let the officials take care of the case.. and zipped her lip.. but that's jmo..and don't even ask me what I think of her Jug...many many mistakes in the first few days...again jmo...

[dinojen]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Maybe Beth is just worn out. She deserves to just go to a spa and relax as best she can.

MOO

Maybe her buddy Joe Mama could hook her up with a weekend retreat... you know...so she can relax...;)

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by dinojen


Maybe her buddy Joe Mama could hook her up with a weekend retreat... you know...so she can relax...;)

:eek: Not nice, Jen.



moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Things always seem to get a little heated with Jug around.

If things don't get heated when your daughter's missing - then when?


moo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord
Let your fingers do the walking for those that are interested to BFN...Of course some of you have already read them, but those that haven't the moderator has posted all three suspects statements of June 9, 10, and 11th. It is my opinion that some of them are signed. Pay particular attention to Joran's, IMO, that one in particular is most interesting. Naturally it has caused quite a furor on Joran supporter boards.


moo

Are these Jossy's versions or Mrs Twitty's?

[cassidy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
The 'smuggled documents' ?

If they are the real McCoy, why didn't they find themselves attached to the civil filing?


LOL Probably because they aren't the Real McCoy. If they were, they'd now be rendered useless as evidence. And that would be a super dumb move .
IMO

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Natalee is not Jug's daughter :read:

How predictable of you. You know what I meant.


moo

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Yeah, everyone is laughing pretty hard at Debbie for posting UNSIGNED documents.

LMAO

Are these the same docs Jossy published that were declared FABRICATED by JQK himself?

LMAO

they are real

BANK IT

i think some are signed :D

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Yeah, they are real FAKE.


LMAO

what you say when you find out they are real ??


HUH ??

just answer the question

dont DODGE it... ok
:D :tongue:

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I felt comfortable calling Julia's supposed statement bogus and I was right. I feel just as comfortable saying these are not legit statements. :hat:

you are dodging :no:


:no:

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I'm not dodging. I'm saying they are not real. They aren't even signed. That should tell you something.

my question WAS

when you find out they are real
what you say then ??


HUH ??

im curious what you will say

:read:

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord


Deepak's June 11th statement is signed.

*************snipped***********
moo
By whom?

[treetime]

Originally posted by chambord


Deepak's June 11th statement is signed.

Notice the silence of these statements not being discussed here. only on other blogs, out of our site..Its about time the other side of the story is brought out. Its not just about Beth, as some would like to keep it at.


moo
yep, SIGNED SEALED and DELIVERED


OH YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:D

[treetime]

LET FREEDOM RING

and the TRUTH come out

<------------------waiting for MORE DOCS to come out :cool: :cool:

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord



Julia's statement to Officer Kelly was NOT bogus. The first translation spoke of money exchanging hands. The second and correct translation did not. What is bogus was Julia's story to VF that at 11 pm at night she was holding an infant when she was accosted by Jug and shoved. That was not in either of the statements, periord. Seems to me, IMO, she owes VF a retraction.


moo

the part that spoke of money changing hands is exactly what made it bogus.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Skeeter?


LOL...maybe!

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



And I'm saying they are not legit.

look you silly watership

and im just saying, and i know you dont think they are real

BUT, im saying IF you find out TOMORROW they are real

im curious what you think


PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEee

work with me on this :mad:

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord



There was a corrected translation . Do you really believe Julie Renfro donates her time for charity to the Aruban Tourist Task Force? Or is this the RU party line?


MOO

The original translation, with the money changing hands was bogus. Why is that so difficult to understand?

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



You did not ask me if I found out. You said when I find out. There is a huge difference between if and when.

If they are real (don't get your hopes up Tree) they aren't as damaging as some people seem to think. There is no "in and out of consciousness", no admitting to sexually assaulting Natalee, no "something bad happened" that I have seen so far.

It sounds like a couple of teens out riding around, making out and enjoying themselves.

more coming , you will see

then we will see, what else we have to work with

maybe you will FLOP over to the GOOD SIDE ??? :cool:

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



If I honestly thought it was the good side I would flop in a heartbeat. But time is proving it isn't.

well, its good and i will WELCOME you over with OPEN ARMS

:) :D

[treetime]

JORAN has a TEMPER :D

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
and what am I, chopped liver? :mad:

no, you will be welcomed with OPEN ARMS and LEGS


by me :D :tongue:

[treetime]

Originally posted by treetime


no, you will be welcomed with OPEN ARMS and LEGS


by me :D :tongue:


<---------------------------tooooooo funny sometimes :D

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Yeah, Bo really brought it out, didn't he.

JORAN is not STUPID

he doesnt do things in front of WITNESSES and CAMERAS

:D

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I beat the hell out of my sister and vice versa every day of our childhood. Big damn deal. I was also known to break things. I have never committed an act of violence against anyone as an adult. If that is your proof that he raped Natalee you'll need to do a hell of a lot better. And they didn't put him out in the streets. The drama doesn't help your case at all.

:rolleyes:


:eek:
im a little SKEEEEEEEEERED, now

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



So do I. Had it all my life. I have never harmed anyone as an adult. One incident with his brother and none with anyone else does not prove Joran is a kidnapper and rapist.

all i said was that he has a temper


i have a temper too,,, but when i went to MEDICAL school i learned alot about patients :lol:

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



And all I said was that doesn't prove kidnapping and rape.

i know

who is on first :D

[treetime]

Originally posted by chambord



Patients or patience is a virtue tree. I told you earlier you walk on water in my book.

If you read Joran's statement at BFN you will note that Joran let his fingers do the walking and that is what has everyone all upset. The "idol" has fallen. Don the battle gear and batten down the hatches, we are going to be under attack for toppling false idols.


moo

yep, the TRUTH is coming out

slowly but surely, i knew it, i knew it, i knew it

i will need a TINFOIL HELMET because some people CANT see
the MONSTER, all they see is the MONSTER'S LIES

i see everything



between you and me, i really cant walk on water, but i can do some MAGIC that FOOLS some adults and most 5 year olds

:D :seeya:

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
dunno but 'no evidence of crime' just hit a grand slam :D

there IS EVIDENCE


some need CONTACT LENSES or GLASSES or that SPECIAL SURGERY :patriot:

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I have new glasses and I don't see any evidence.

please GO back to the OPTHAMOLOGIST

RIGHT AWAY


RUN :D

[treetime]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Sooner or later, Joran will do himself in. People like him always do. There's a reason why he lives separate from the rest of his family.

IMO


yep,

there is also a REASON he DRINKS a LOAD of BOOZE




just like i have been saying,,, er ahh RANTING about


this will be SOLVED


:patriot:

[treetime]

Originally posted by Watership Down



I have a good opthamologist. He fixed me right up with perfect glasses. :biggrin:

maybe he NEEDS em cause he gave you an INCORRECT
PRESCRIPTION

you see ok, up close

but the LARGER PICTURE is out of FOCUS:D

[treetime]

Originally posted by chambord



LOL...BFN is not the least upset, its the stealth posters that are trying to find the source of the statements. They hate being out witted. A thousand or so posts begging the moderator for her source for weeks now.

moo

PATHETIC


and stupid

:seeya:

[treetime]

Originally posted by nascarmom
A teenager wanting his own space :eek: who EVER heard of such a thing :eek:

how old was he ?

17

DRINKING
GAMBLING
SNEAKING OUT
FIGHTING
seeing a PSYCHOLGIST
DRINKING LIKE AN ALCOHOLIC


maybe he needed ADULT SUPERVISION and not HIS OWN PLACE

just my OPNION
:D

[treetime]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Sounds like he'll fit right in at college!

MOO


some in college do it

some dont


some in high school do it also

SOMETIME PARENTS try to control it :D

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



She thinks we had a great childhood and some of her fondest memories are of some of those fights. We laugh about them all the time.

She thinks that you beating the he!! out of her was a wonderful childhood? OMG! Poor darling. I hope she utilized counselling.


moo

[treetime]

Originally posted by Luke Davis
Some go on to own huge companies.

MOO

yep,

some end up in GUTTERS
:D

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by nascarmom
stealthe posters???

LMAO

I hope they slapped with a law suit for publishing FALSE and defamitory information.

Why are you so litigious?



moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Did you miss the vice versa part or does it just suit your mood to ignore it?

You mean YOU thought that her beating the he!! out of YOU was a great childhood?

Say it isn't so.



moo

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Yes I did. We would have knock down drag out fights then within hours were laughing over the fights. And we still laugh over them.

Your post said every day.

:rose:

[Xainia]

Originally posted by Watership Down




They will when they have an agenda.

One typed up a 70+ page pdf file. 4 tis nothing in comparison.

Xainia

[forensicpsy]

Originally posted by Watership Down



Yeah I'm heading out too. Nothing worth reading on here tonight. Just more lies and unverified statements.


:seeya:

I think you should call your sister and apologize.

:rose:

Nite.

[treetime]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Justice will be served upon Joran, one day or another, in one form or another, in one world or another.

:patriot:

SING IT !!!


God Bless Natalee and her family :patriot:

[treetime]

Originally posted by No Nic


The three I read are all SIGNED. LOOK OUT !!!


Paulus is SWEATING

right about now :D

[ebnrsg1]

Originally posted by No Nic


The three I read are all SIGNED. LOOK OUT !!!


I'll admit I went to that site and could not zero in on any documents signed or otherwise. While some of you more savvy posters might not have any trouble navigating there to me it was a jumbled up mess!!! I finally gave up looking for what it is that has everyone in an uproar!!

From what I have heard of the conversation, it is either signed or unsigned statements.

Either way I guess I do not get the sense of excitement whether they are bogus or real. If they are real , then obviously they are in the hands of the Aruban investigators and they do not put much stake in them as they say there is not evidence of a crime. If they are bogus it will only be embarrassing to those releasing them.

I wish something would come out that is fresh and new. It seems to me that everyone is now grasping at straws.

Hope someone will enlighten me if there is something really important that I am missing in this whole scenario
thanks

[treetime]

Originally posted by No Nic


I hope Anita has her BIG towel ready. :D

SUPER SIZE

:cool:

[treetime]

Originally posted by ebnrsg1



I'll admit I went to that site and could not zero in on any documents signed or otherwise. While some of you more savvy posters might not have any trouble navigating there to me it was a jumbled up mess!!! I finally gave up looking for what it is that has everyone in an uproar!!

From what I have heard of the conversation, it is either signed or unsigned statements.

Either way I guess I do not get the sense of excitement whether they are bogus or real. If they are real , then obviously they are in the hands of the Aruban investigators and they do not put much stake in them as they say there is not evidence of a crime. If they are bogus it will only be embarrassing to those releasing them.

I wish something would come out that is fresh and new. It seems to me that everyone is now grasping at straws.

Hope someone will enlighten me if there is something really important that I am missing in this whole scenario
thanks

i wont lie to you

there are some that ARE SIGNED

i bet they are all SIGNED


this is FRESH and NEW


MELTDOWN ALERT


:patriot:

[treetime]

Originally posted by No Nic


I love it, I really love it.

I call this a victory for the GOOD side. EVIL is going down, one way or the other. Can't wait.

imo

im loving it too :cool: :patriot:

[treetime]

Originally posted by No Nic


Or maybe he should show a little consideration and get into the bathtub. :D

imo


Phttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt


:read:



:lol:

[treetime]

where is JOE T ????????????????????????????????????


he will DITCH these people like a SNAKE SHEDDING its SKIN

:biggrin:

[treetime]

this is going to start NEW RUMBLINGS

im very happy

LET IT RUMBLE

when it will RUMBLE

THINGS will CRUMBLE


:patriot: :patriot:

[cassidy]

Why were these documents released in the manner they were? Why on an internet blog? Would it have not made more sense to release them to a major news network? Those of us who post on this and other blogs comprise a very tiny group compared to the general public. You'd think whoever released them would want the media attention.


IMO

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Laurus


"America" is waiting.

LOL

I've been sitting here reading this and I firmly believe if Joran file a claim of defamation against Beth I honestly believe he could and would win. So far there isn't any evidence to prove he had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. Beth is the one who has gone on national TV and called those boys gang rapist, murderers, etc. without any proof and then to later go back on national TV to say she never said it? Her own words would be used against her.

The magic of TV - Watch what you go on TV and say because it can come back to hunt you.

[gcarter1]

Originally posted by Narcissist15


If Americans decide not to go, that is their prerogative.......

I did not hear JT call for a boycott of the island because of the mishandling of this case.....as I'm sure this case in Aruba isn't the first time he has handled a case in which LE acted as if they were the Keystone Kops.

And the US has Waaaaaaaay to many Keystone Kops if you ask me.

[cassidy]

I find it very sad that someone chose to post these confessions on the internet. Signed or unsigned, they serve no purpose other than to sensationalize . They hold no proof or rape or murder or kidnapping. Who ever made it possible for these documents to be posted should be ashamed of themselves.

IMO

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
And the Skeeter tape was deemed incriminating too, was it not?

There is nothing in the polis car recording that is incriminating.

Have you found the answer to 'for what, for what' which Joran asked when he was told he would get 15 years if they found the girl?
I still wonder what girl was hit? And this hypocritical statement from Joran
Joran said to Deepak "You well know that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn't lie."

Because Joran you lied too, so does that mean you "did bad"?

hmm

imo

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
you mean what girl was 'touched'?

Joran admitted his lie and no, he didn't 'do bad'.

Joran said to Deepak "Don't you think that the police is interested to know that Satish hit a girl with the car"
Satish said to Deepak "He heh and you make me laugh boy, just laugh."

No I ment what I said...HIT!

And at that point he had not admitted his lies right? So again Joran did you "do bad" too? hmm

imo

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord




LOL....that's the mystery, isn't it? Its driving some up the wall trying to figure it out.

Whoever released them should be ashamed of themselves. They serve no purpose at all.

IMO

[cassidy]

Originally posted by chambord



Sorry, I won't bring them here, so I can be accused and attacked for their legitimacy. It would be a blood bath, just reading your above words, "dissect, sourceless".

All I will say, is these statements should be REQUIRED reading for any young woman prior to dating the three suspects.

I'll just leave it at that.


imo

Their legitimacy is being attacked so why can't we see them here?

[julianella]

Originally posted by nascarmom
Except the literal translation of what was said is 'touched' not 'hit' :read:

Ok so I will bite how exactly do you "touch" a person with a car? And why would Joran feel a "touch" would warrent trouble for Satish? It really makes no sense?