Ocillians & Local News

[BevAnn]

ok, Oscillian, bnutty, whoever else claims to be from the area - why so cryptic?

I'm from an Arkansas small town - pop. 6,347 (I think) - and trust me, I know the good 'ole boy system. In fact, I am running for political office in my city this election. We've seen fist fights at city council meetings, tons of law suits against city personnel, family retaliation - you name it!! It can get ugly here too.

So, I kind of understand where you all come from...yet, it sounds like, from your various posts, Oscilla is much worse - am I correct? I guess if I lived there, I'd be going as public as possible about these issues. Grabbing every media person I could to let them know what was REALLY happening in this town. I know you guys fear retaliation.....but you know, a woman is missing, and it really does appear something stinks in Oscillian. Surely SOME one higher up in LE is looking into this town and it's police force!

Let me guess, no one will want to answer my post, because they are afraid to. Well, heck. pm me I guess! Or maybe, once Tara is found, and someone is charged with her murder, you guys can come back here and FINALLY explain what you knew all along!

Bev Ann

[benhill29]

I wish I knew something and if I did I would be more than willing to share it with every network anchor person who came along. However, I never meant to make it sound as though I knew more than I had ever stated. I appreciate you as a small town person and never meant to offend any one. Every one always states that one can find corruption and deceitfulness every where....no matter where you call home. I guess when it slaps us in the face each day we seem to forget that others live in small towns too. It is extremely frustrating to feel as though "small" groups control what happens in our area. I know it goes on every where. No offense meant by any of my posts. I truly feel as though no matter how close any one (hired or amatuer) gets to the truth...it will prove futile. Others from my area share my feelings I know. I just seem to be blunt and to the point. Perhaps the reason Tara's family is so upset over LE is that they too know how our little area of the world works. I support Tara's family in their quest for the truth. I just hope that one day there will be justice....as well as closure.

[Bnutty]

BevAnn-
I understand your questions but the problem is that when we (people from the community) try to help on these forums and share certain information that we know to be factual, we are gunned down a large percentage of the time simply b/c so many people on this forum and others in the past want to believe the rumors and gossip, I guess because it is more juicy. There is information (small bits and pieces) about the search and investigation that some of us in this town know about that hasn't been released on the news. If we think that the information should be known and will not damage the investigation, then I think that it should be posted in order to straighten things out. It also hasn't been on the news because it doesn't go along with or support the news bashing of certain "suspects" that AG has been talking about on the news in the past.

[benhill29]

Ocillian..you probably are a good ole boy but I was not referring to that type of good ole boy. I too have lived here my whole life except for when I was fortunate enough to leave and realize that there is a world out there but that is beside the point. I think you add to the message boards Ocillian. I just think we need not wear blinders when it comes to cover-ups, etc. I am not referencing the good old boy network in relation to speeding tickets, etc. I know that there is deep rooted corruption and I have proof of that. I am not pointing the finger at any one except to say....don't be surprised if the person who is guilty never pays for the crime. I have seen it happen and those around our community know what I am talking about.

[Atok]

* wow lots of posts posted while I was working on this reply...


I'll touch the post Bev...

Living in a small town during controversy this deep is like laying in bed with Cottonmouth snakes.

People want to help, but if their proof of fact is direct experience, saying so will implicate them in something or identify them when they wish to remain anonymous. Then they can only reply sort of crypticly or they can't say anything.

Comments target them for recrimations and a magnifying glass focus their personal lives can't handle. Small towns are catty places, little balls of soap opera and the show never goes off the air.

Everything someone says and does will follow them years after this case is resolved. They have to LIVE HERE after things settle down. We outsiders don't.

We need the locals to share the truth whenever it doesn't put their own worlds in jeopardy. Maybe we can have a sentance:

"I can't provide any more verification than my say so, I'm sorry." at which point a reader makes up their own mind about the veracity of the account, they accept it or discount it.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions.

[concernedperson]

I too am originally from a very small town. In Louisiana, does that tell you about corrupt? The network was always the same people and now they are all that is left.Except a pretty run down town with not a good tax base. Most people got tired fighting the system and left.

There is a sticky above about Nancy Grace talking about this case tonight and later doing an in depth piece. I think she got tired of my emails...LOL!

Part of my email campaign has been to Gov. Sonny Perdue. I am asking as a citizen of Georgia to please take a look. I want my state to be as safe and secure as possible in the big cities as well as the small towns. I want criminals prosecuted no matter who they are kin to. I don't want fear to be so pervasive that people can't speak or won't speak. We need to do the right thing and we need to teach our children to do the right thing....and when we do we should expect LE to do the right thing to.

[longcoolwoman]

Originally posted by Bnutty
...
I understand your questions but the problem is that when we (people from the community) try to help on these forums and share certain information that we know to be factual, we are gunned down a large percentage of the time simply b/c so many people on this forum and others in the past want to believe the rumors and gossip, I guess because it is more juicy. ...

I couldn't have said it better myself. :beer:

[Bnutty]

I just dont understand why people wouldn't want to hear the locals' information (the 411 that we are able to give) if the readers and posters are in fact here for the right reasons. I think that what some people have forgotten about is that this is a small town and the people that live here see things and know things that have not been on the news and things that have not been on this forum.
All of the people that read the credible info don't have to believe it, they can let it go thru one ear and out of the other. But when it is posted and we know the truth, we don't like to be accused of lying, protecting certain people, or assisting in some "cover-up".

[BorderCollieMom]

Posters want to believe the locals but its kinda hard to have that trust when so many times over the years on CTV Boards, so-called locals (of any given city/case) give out wrong info. just to stir things up. Please dont be offended of non-locals being cautious and/or asking alot questions about what a local posts. If there is info to post, go ahead and post it....but post the whole scenario/story - not just 2 lines and then do the "I cant say anything else on the matter". If you cant post the WHOLE story - why even bring it up ? Its like a teaser on the news that never pans out. I think that would help the board alot. jmo.

Dont get me wrong, any info is wanted (the whole story) by us NON-locals.....all we have is the media reports. Thats just the way message boards work.
Same goes for "speculating".....tidbits lead non-locals to start posting what they think the rest of story is or means...again, speculating.

As for people posting theories & speculating - thats what this board is about and every other crime board on the net.
Theres nothing wrong with that, imo.

So, unless info posted is confirmed by dna, le, etc......i suppose anything goes and folks can choose to believe the poster or not-----either way ---a poster shouldnt be slammed for making that choice.
1 more thing...imo, all of the namecalling & snide/rude remarks need to stop or this board is doomed like the NH board .

jmo

[Babes]

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom
Posters want to believe the locals but its kinda hard to have that trust when so many times over the years on CTV Boards, so-called locals (of any given city/case) give out wrong info. just to stir things up. Please dont be offended of non-locals being cautious and/or asking alot questions about what a local posts. If there is info to post, go ahead and post it....but post the whole scenario/story - not just 2 lines and then do the "I cant say anything else on the matter". If you cant post the WHOLE story - why even bring it up ? Its like a teaser on the news that never pans out. I think that would help the board alot. jmo.

Dont get me wrong, any info is wanted (the whole story) by us NON-locals.....all we have is the media reports. Thats just the way message boards work.
Same goes for "speculating".....tidbits lead non-locals to start posting what they think the rest of story is or means...again, speculating.

As for people posting theories & speculating - thats what this board is about and every other crime board on the net.
Theres nothing wrong with that, imo.

So, unless info posted is confirmed by dna, le, etc......i suppose anything goes and folks can choose to believe the poster or not-----either way ---a poster shouldnt be slammed for making that choice.
1 more thing...imo, all of the namecalling & snide/rude remarks need to stop or this board is doomed like the NH board .

jmo

100% Agree :beer:

[BevAnn]

Border Collie - couldn't have said it better myself!!

Thanks for the replies guys (with out anyone getting into an argument even! LOL). I have really tried to imagine, if in my small town, this happened, with a member of LE in the lime light, etc...how it would pan out here? I can't say. I like to think, our police force wouldn't be doing things such as squabbling with searchers for going in front of someone's home on a public road! But who knows?

I can say this - we currently have the jr high teacher, who has been arrested for sex with her student. 14 yr old boy. I grew up with her - she was homecoming queen here, Ms. Popular, cheerleader, cute, adorable, etc....worked at our school since she got her degree. She's 37. And I have to say, our LE, our school system, the general pop of our small town is NOT supporting her at ALL. She says it's all made up by this kid, it's lies, etc. and no one is taking her side. I really figured this small town would rally around one of it's own, but they've really shunned her. Her trial is this summer. (in light of yesterday's dropped charges on the other teacher, I fear she may get off too)

Well, sorry for the detour I made there - just an analogy on small town justice!

Bev Ann

[sumter_sue]

Murder expert to speak at Albany State University in Albany


Forensic scientist Henry C. Lee is expected to help draw more than 200 people to a forensic science symposium at Albany State University.

Aaron Bensonhaver -A premier name in forensic science who worked on the O.J. Simpson and JonBenet Ramsey murder cases will be in Albany this week for a forensic science symposium at Albany State University.

Henry Lee, a forensic scientist considered to be among the best in his field, will be the main speaker at a symposium beginning at 1 p.m. today in the ACAD auditorium for investigators, criminologists, police, prosecutors and students.

"He is the best-known face in forensic science in the world," said Charles Ochie, chairman of the school's criminal justice department and forensic science program.

Lee is credited, according to his Web site, with reviewing the John F. Kennedy assassination, war crimes in Bosnia and Croatia, the suicide of former White House attorney Vince Foster and 6,000 cases over the past 40 years.

Ochie said Lee is expected to speak about high profile cases he has worked on over the years.

Ochie and Derrick Gilmore, director of continuing education and an adjunct faculty member in the criminal justice department, said Lee's presence will bring the spotlight to the school's growing forensic science degree program.


Other scheduled speakers at the symposium include Rick Snow of the GBI, Special Agent Tom Brady of Naval Criminal Investigative Services and Greg Edwards, chief assistant district attorney for Dougherty County.


Thought this was an interesting person who may be able to help out with the case.

[IBC]

Read the reply to local on the Hawkinsville post, and you might get some idea why local people are reluctant to post on this board.

[Atok]

I also want to mention that whenever a local tries to post something, off the narrow theory they get grilled to the point of others trying to make them identify themselves.

This is very wrong.

People do not have to give out who their neighbor is, how far they live from the victim or a POI, what age they are, what car they drive... personal information that can be used for identifying a poster is uncalled for.

I also find it abhorrent that people try to pull off the veil of anonyminity by naming out who they think a poster is. This results in denial (narrowing the options of who it really is) or an invasion of privacy making them and anyone else UNWILLING to share info.

People need anonyminity to be able to speak. This board is useless without information from locals be it truth or deception.

It's invaluable, why squelch it??

[longcoolwoman]

My hat's off to you, Atok. :beer:

[concernedperson]

Regardless,I think people try to stay away from posts that disqualify or qualify. I also think that we are not alone in coming very close.I really think this is very close.

[cpettis]

:shrug: Wonder how Dr. Godwin came up with his time frame?
Interesting that the info about HD being at the house is just now being made public. There are a number of ponds and deeply wooded areas along Green Rd. and a lot of good people live in that part of Irwin County. Honest people that would have no part of a crime such as this. I do not know any of the principal parties discussed on these boards personally but I do have an interest in seeing this come to a conclusion for the sake of all involved. I fear there is only justice left for Tara. I pray I am wrong.

[benhill29]

I researched HD on some websites tonight and I found an article that quoted him in the very beginning as saying they had been long time friends from school and that he had not seen her for several weeks. He didn't mention in the article while being interviewed that he had even been at Tara's house looking for her. I am just throwing that out there because now we learn so much about him but he never let on that he had even been there....IMO that is strange. Also, GBI was listed on one of the websites as being headquartered in Perry, which is where he works with LE as well. It may be absolutely nothing but it would be nice to know why all of a sudden it comes out that he was there at her house calling Miss Faye?????

[BorderCollieMom]

Originally posted by Ocillian
"so-called locals (of any given city/case) give out wrong info. just to stir things up."

I will assure you that is not my intentions here.


I said of any given case/city - i did NOT say YOU !

[BorderCollieMom]

Originally posted by Atok
I also want to mention that whenever a local tries to post something, off the narrow theory they get grilled to the point of others trying to make them identify themselves.

This is very wrong.

People do not have to give out who their neighbor is, how far they live from the victim or a POI, what age they are, what car they drive... personal information that can be used for identifying a poster is uncalled for.

I also find it abhorrent that people try to pull off the veil of anonyminity by naming out who they think a poster is. This results in denial (narrowing the options of who it really is) or an invasion of privacy making them and anyone else UNWILLING to share info.

People need anonyminity to be able to speak. This board is useless without information from locals be it truth or deception.

It's invaluable, why squelch it??


This board needs FACTS backed up with proof just like every board on CTV, imo.
Or, locals need to tell the whole story or nothing at all.
Locals should expect to be asked many questions - from where you get your hair done - to - how far are you from blah blah blah......

Lets turn the tables. Lets say I come on this board and say Im a local and have lived there for years, i'm married to a cop, Tara & I have been best friends since BIRTH and the last time I saw her was right before she vanished............. AND , she was being followed by a red head guy that I went to elem. school with, his daddy is a lawyer. He had something in his hand .......
BUT, """I cant give anymore details"""".

See how that works ? Its very hard when people dont post the whole story.

I've neem on these boards (and others) long enough to know how they work).....and this one isnt working.

Just My Opinion.

[BorderCollieMom]

Originally posted by benhill29
I researched HD on some websites tonight and I found an article that quoted him in the very beginning as saying they had been long time friends from school and that he had not seen her for several weeks. He didn't mention in the article while being interviewed that he had even been at Tara's house looking for her. I am just throwing that out there because now we learn so much about him but he never let on that he had even been there....IMO that is strange. Also, GBI was listed on one of the websites as being headquartered in Perry, which is where he works with LE as well. It may be absolutely nothing but it would be nice to know why all of a sudden it comes out that he was there at her house calling Miss Faye?????

Can we get a link to this info please ? Links to articles dont contain CTV posters' "opinions".
tia

[benhill29]

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom


Can we get a link to this info please ? Links to articles dont contain CTV posters' "opinions".
tia
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

[jela72]

Thank YOU, Ben!!! :seeya:

This HD guy's actions have irked me from the beginning and I wasn't aware he'd 'shut up' earlier and not mentioned this. There's a vibe there - and he has not been straight since the getgo. I feel it in my bones, Jones!

In fact, short of stretching into my puter frame, lol, so irked was I by this chap & after reading everyone's 'all night' post-sessions, I was compelled to register and call attention to MY views on HD.

His deviant nature starts with the affair itself. Then ... when I read how 'close' he was/is supposed to be to Tara's family members - why it bordered disgust. A lying cheat.

And an angry, rejected, dumped or possessive lying-cheat can be lethal. We've seen it a million times.

The above is all my own opinion, but having read Ben's further great sleuthin skills - well: my opinion is endorsed!

TY again, Ben...

Jel



Originally posted by benhill29
I researched HD on some websites tonight and I found an article that quoted him in the very beginning as saying they had been long time friends from school and that he had not seen her for several weeks. He didn't mention in the article while being interviewed that he had even been at Tara's house looking for her. I am just throwing that out there because now we learn so much about him but he never let on that he had even been there....IMO that is strange. Also, GBI was listed on one of the websites as being headquartered in Perry, which is where he works with LE as well. It may be absolutely nothing but it would be nice to know why all of a sudden it comes out that he was there at her house calling Miss Faye?????

[jela72]

Just for the record:

In my previous post, I wrote:

<<< And an angry, rejected, dumped or possessive lying-cheat can be lethal. We've seen it a million times. >>>

Just to clarify I am not calling HD this. Just my views regarding 'cheats'. And most trouble starts when the bounds of marriage are broken and one wants out. (In a snapshot, that is.)

[The R]

Ok...now I'm totally confused....here's a quote from the CL article link that Ben provided....

"A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher"

Does this say that she was dating ****s or am I wrong on this?? Is this the same guy that is reported to be married with kids in Perry?

Somebody help.......
:confused:

[jela72]

By all accounts and according to reports, one and the same. He was having an affair with Tara.

[goldylocks]

I'm not real sure if this is the thread to put my question on but i will give it a try. i was hoping if someone could help me with the question of durning the cookout that Tara was seen outside sitting on the curb talking to a person, it seems that i read that info from somewhere if this is true and anyone else remembers reading this i would like to if this was rumor or true.thank you

[shelock]

A poster previously pointed out that "one friend" gave out this info. Did "one friend" work at the school and assume HD was more than a friend?
"In fact, in mid-October, one friend said, Grinstead had made efforts to reconnect with Harper, and when he resisted, she became so overwrought that she took a long drive and had to pull over and call for assistance to get home. The next day, uncharacteristically, she called in sick to school. A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher."

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by Sassy


You go Girl:beer:

[Former Juror]

I don't know who did this, but I have a very strong feeling some Ocilla locals are going to be very surprised.

IMOOC

[Designer]

Tara's Angels, too?:D

[jela72]

Bwahahahaaaaaaa - Oh, God - forgive me but this is hysterical. Lord, is there paranoia out there or WHAT? On my first post on this forum I stated "I live far away from you all".

Read back: I said had NOT posted on a forum since the Peterson verdict - I opted to get a life. That's true.

And I also stated that I've experienced a similar personal loss and through that awful experience, I've followed mysteries, crimes and trial for years, now. I learnt the meaning of logic and it took half a lifetime to accept that meaning, believe in circumstances and communicate my thoughts. OK?

You sent me a great, warm, welcoming pm, Sassy, agreeing with some of my points and confirming ??? over HD. Was that pm a 'ploy' to warm up to me? Because, me darlin Sassy-girl, I don't even live in the USA!!!

When I fluffed up about the timeline, I was the first to post my errors and apologize.

At ALL times I have emphasized that my posts are MY PERSONAL OPINION & SPECULATIVE VIEWS.

Gosh, is there really a 'click' out there or WHAT? I didn't know there was some kind of 'entrance qualification' to post here. I believe in freedom of speech, too, y'know.

What a welcome - I had to roar laughing when Atok commented about the thick skin; and I saw what benhill went through before passing Muster Parade.

Let me end with this: I PERSONALLY HAPPEN TO BELIEVE HD IS SOMEHOW INVOLVED. OK? There. Roast it, fry it, grill it or freeze it - but those are my thoughts and my views and I'm sharing 'em with you all. (If the affair's a lie, then I go by the 'no smoke/no fire theory' until proven otherwise).

Wow, Sassy. I should have applied logic to your pm, the first sent to me ... and realize now you probably gathered up your internal 'folk' to flush out my 'motive'.

YOU are the offender, methinks, when it comes to honesty in co-posting and pm-ing.

Geeeeez.


Originally posted by Sassy
Jela72....just curious.....we have not seen you on the boards before......actually none of the past five boards concerning this issue...... why now, do you show up.....apparently you are part of the MH "Damage Control Squad" to shift the heat to HD...the other night "the Squad" attacked LG and when those rumors were shot down the focus is now HD.......nice tactic.....but we in the know do not buy it......JUST MY HONEST OPINION......

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by Designer
Tara's Angels, too?:D

Sure:seeya:

[Designer]

Originally posted by 4ANGELS


Sure:seeya:

Thanks! I'll be Jacqueline Smith!;)

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by jela72
Bwahahahaaaaaaa - Oh, God - forgive me but this is hysterical. Lord, is there paranoia out there or WHAT? On my first post on this forum I stated "I live far away from you all".

Read back: I said had NOT posted on a forum since the Peterson verdict - I opted to get a life. That's true.

And I also stated that I've experienced a similar personal loss and through that awful experience, I've followed mysteries, crimes and trial for years, now. I learnt the meaning of logic and it took half a lifetime to accept that meaning, believe in circumstances and communicate my thoughts. OK?

You sent me a great, warm, welcoming pm, Sassy, agreeing with some of my points and confirming ??? over HD. Was that pm a 'ploy' to warm up to me? Because, me darlin Sassy-girl, I don't even live in the USA!!!

When I fluffed up about the timeline, I was the first to post my errors and apologize.

At ALL times I have emphasized that my posts are MY PERSONAL OPINION & SPECULATIVE VIEWS.

Gosh, is there really a 'click' out there or WHAT? I didn't know there was some kind of 'entrance qualification' to post here. I believe in freedom of speech, too, y'know.

What a welcome - I had to roar laughing when Atok commented about the thick skin; and I saw what benhill went through before passing Muster Parade.

Let me end with this: I PERSONALLY HAPPEN TO BELIEVE HD IS SOMEHOW INVOLVED. OK? There. Roast it, fry it, grill it or freeze it - but those are my thoughts and my views and I'm sharing 'em with you all. (If the affair's a lie, then I go by the 'no smoke/no fire theory' until proven otherwise).

Wow, Sassy. I should have applied logic to your pm, the first sent to me ... and realize now you probably gathered up your internal 'folk' to flush out my 'motive'.

YOU are the offender, methinks, when it comes to honesty in co-posting and pm-ing.

Geeeeez.


:lol: Sassy is not the offender.

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by Designer


Thanks! I'll be Jacqueline Smith!;)
Great who should I be lol. People dont take offense please we all need a little bit of laughing during this difficult time.:D

[jela72]

General... You're a decent person, Sir. (Or sirette - the gender does not worry me - but your grace, neutral stance and integrity warms me.)

...Damage control! Pah! As IF I'd ever place such meagre value on myself....


Originally posted by GeneralLee
Which damage control squad are you on?

I thing we all have a right to be on whichever side of the fence we so choose.

Some of us are objective and open about looking at everyone.
Some are friends of POI's and are naturally doing what they feel to help their friend.
Some are family of POI's and are naturally doing what they feel will help their family member, and so on.

It's fine to be on one "team" or another here, but why be so rude to the ones who are here for whatever their personal reason is?
I don't think it's nice to accuse anyone of being on a "squad" unless you are ready to admit which one you are on yourself and why. (No need to post your answer, really. Just making a point.)

Nothing personal, just an observation.

[4ANGELS]

Originally posted by Sassy
Opinions change quickly.....don't they.....!!!

They sure do Sassy.

[BorderCollieMom]

Originally posted by benhill29

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

Thank you Benhill29 !!!!

[jela72]

4Angels, irrespective of whomsoever the 'offender' might be, I replied to the following post where Sassy claimed to be among those 'in the (ehem) know' and stated I was 'apparently' part of some Damage Control Squad to shift focus of MH.

Lawd. Maybe MH committed this crime - does anyone *know* he did? Sometimes and most often, it looks that way - that's true.

However, I happen to find HD's manoevres over the weekend in question seemingly suspicious - and believed I joined a forum where all angles are fleshed out. The man called Tara 20 times and was right outside Tara's house after midnight, Sunday (and before she was even determined missing) having traveled there from Perry. At that stage he was the only person who, through phone records, was placed directly at the scene.

But he doesn't call the authorities once during all of this? Why? If he was as 'serious' as he was when he went to the school and got Tara out of class, then why the hell didn't he adopt the same attitude and get her out of her house?

No. But, he's such a close friend yet decides to drive home instead of breaking down the front door of his dear, close friends' daughter's home? In light of earlier and previous 'real dangers' that was allegedly made know to him - and that he was apparently known to be privvy to?

A few articles stated their affair, as did posters 'in the know' on this very board. If indeed an affair was going on, and that's all he's hiding - then the man's in the wrong profession, IMO. Because when a life is at stake - the plugs come out on everything!

It's the price paid for illicit dalliance - if such escapades were going on.



Originally posted by Sassy
Jela72....just curious.....we have not seen you on the boards before......actually none of the past five boards concerning this issue...... why now, do you show up.....apparently you are part of the MH "Damage Control Squad" to shift the heat to HD...the other night "the Squad" attacked LG and when those rumors were shot down the focus is now HD.......nice tactic.....but we in the know do not buy it......JUST MY HONEST OPINION......

[BorderCollieMom]

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Originally posted by jela72
Bwahahahaaaaaaa - Oh, God - forgive me but this is hysterical. Lord, is there paranoia out there or WHAT? On my first post on this forum I stated "I live far away from you all".
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____

Its VERY obvious the locals are "paranoid" at times - especially when it comes to answering general questions and telling the "whole story", not just TIDBITS.

There are many here that DO NOT live close....so when you say "you all" , you are mistaken.

lmao @ "changing minds" posts ! Uh yea, that obvious, lol..

Regarding "living in a small town" and "the DRAMA & PARANOIA" in those towns.. Ive held back with my opinion on this. BUT,
In my opinion, a large percentage of that is crap. I have lived in several small towns and yes, small towns have all the drama that would make "Desperate Housewifes" look like nothing.

What I dont understand is why are locals , in any given small town so paranoid ? So scared to "tell it like it is" , so scared to tell THE WHOLE STORY ?
The small towns i lived in reported cops for doing dope .... Yea , alot of folks got threats (lmao) but who cares.
In the towns I lived in, "THE PEOPLE" MADE THE TRUTH KNOWN !
Anyways, who the heck would even want to live in a town like taras town is made out to be ?


*******All my opinion

[BorderCollieMom]

Originally posted by Sassy
Opinions change quickly.....don't they.....!!!

Never leaned toward HD....never....

We can't be certain who to trust, though, can we!! ;O)

:beer: As a fence sitter until the FACTS are in and CONFIRMED, I dont lean at all ...... I might fall off the fence. lol

[jela72]

And that's a very cool and honest opinion, BorderCollieMom (says another mom here to the sweetest cocker-spaniel on Earth...).

Stepping back: sorry about the 'you all' if that sounded derogatory. It was definitely not meant to be as I meant 'I live far away from everyone' (you all being general) ... IOW ... far away from USA.

Anyways, a couple of nights ago one poster regularly referred to an 'Old Boy' type practice in this town, or something like that. I'm beginning to see how that fits in, LOL.

Begs the question: If I knew my son or dau was involved in ANY way in something as critical as this, even if I had Bill Gates' money, or the Queen of England's connections - I hardly think I'd be part of a 'cover-up' or a 'kiss and don't tell' process. If my job and livlihood was on the line and I knew 'something', then God knows, I'd not be able to live with myself in shutting up and turning a blind eye.

That's all ... Not 'you all', LOL :)

[suzee]

I saw MH search with my own eyes along with his entire family. You may not have seen them, but I was there. He payed for his own helicopter and it was not JH. I was there when the helicopter landed. He was at the center many times until he along was asked not to come back. I don't mean for the words to sound harsh, but what you said was not true and maybe you were just confused. Hope this helps before more rumors get started.

[suzee]

The GBI did not ask him to leave. AG sent message that she did not want him there and out of respect for Tara and her family, MH did not go back to the center, but contiued to search.

[sumter_sue]

Maybe HD was trying to contact Tara to let her know his wife found out about them. Maybe the wife was going to cause problems for HD at work or maybe at Tara's work.

[Atok]

Clipped by Atok
Originally posted by Sassy

On the night of her disappearance, students, teachers, locals got together to search and hand out flyers:
JH REFUSED A FLYER FROM ONE AND REMARKED "THEY WILL NEVER FIND THAT GIRL".
Three witnesses to this statement.

Sassy, I heard this once before, early on and I can't find the source. Can you bring any stronger validation to the fact that JH really refused a flyer and said that sentance?

Was your answer "the witnesses told me this" what you have at this point concerning this detail or did that refer to the other part of the post?

[Atok]

Got it.

Thank you Sassy.

[benhill29]

Originally posted by suzee
The GBI did not ask him to leave. AG sent message that she did not want him there and out of respect for Tara and her family, MH did not go back to the center, but contiued to search.
I wouldn't call it out of respect. In my opinion I don't believe he went back probaly because TP and his daddy probably told him to stay away....Let's not go insinuating that respect was involved. If respect were involved the MH family would be sending out invites to people to come and search high and low..wouldn't they?

[longcoolwoman]

Originally posted by benhill29

I wouldn't call it out of respect. In my opinion I don't believe he went back probaly because TP and his daddy probably told him to stay away....Let's not go insinuating that respect was involved. If respect were involved the MH family would be sending out invites to people to come and search high and low..wouldn't they?

I was told by the MH family that they were asked to stay away from the Tara Center.

[cpettis]

:shrug: In response to Sassy's comment about not hindering the investigation, my question is What Investigation? Keeping certain details confidential is one thing, but keeping an entire investigation secret is questionable.... Why the secrecy?:confused:

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by cpettis
:shrug: In response to Sassy's comment about not hindering the investigation, my question is What Investigation? Keeping certain details confidential is one thing, but keeping an entire investigation secret is questionable.... Why the secrecy?:confused:

Cover up? It is obvious to me anyway. They are more than likely protecting something stupid like pot fields. And to think that someone was murdered and they would protect a killer is just putrid.

[mooloo]

Why would an affair cause problems for eithe rof them at work? Wouldn't be the first time an le or a teacher had had an affair. watch the newss

Originally posted by sumter_sue
Maybe HD was trying to contact Tara to let her know his wife found out about them. Maybe the wife was going to cause problems for HD at work or maybe at Tara's work.

[luvmy2labpups]

To the waters, I am starting this thread in the hope it does not get merged with any other so that we can have honest and open discussion in regard to all the people in Tara's life.

Can anyone tell me does LG own a black truck? Did he own a black truck at the time of Tara's disappearance? This has recently started circulating and either it is rumor or fact. Can anybody verify?

Where have BG & CG gone?

Where has FG gone?

Where has all of TG's other relatives gone? (other than LG & AG)

Does the family know people are claiming to speak for them on this message board? If so, are they in agreement with what is being posted?

What other side of the family was LG referring to? What private investigator was he talking about?

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:ifM0JATYH7oJ:www.courtnetonline.bra vehost.com/taragrinstead1.html+%22anita+gattis%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=102

LARRY GATTIS: The WHOLE thing. That was 90% of the questioning and harassment that day was the supposed affair I had with Tara, and anybody that’s been close to our family, or Tara, or anyone in town knows that’s totally ridiculous, I've don't go to that town very frequently at all. Me and Tara communicated by e-mails a lot and the GBI had all the e-mails that were strictly appropriate, very relative type stuff. So they knew that was ridiculous to start with. It actually got started by, we are not absolutely certain by a rumor from a private investigator that was working with the other side of the family. He has since been terminated. You know, the tragedy is that Tara's gone...


I have many more questions and would appreciate not having this merged.

[fsbiii]

I don't know where to post what any more. Is the black truck thread merged with the "Possible Crime Scene" thread?
This is utterly confusing. Maybe that's the point. Thank goodness for the cache.

IMO, LG was talking about Trackers Global and its recovery agent, Hardiman. Hardiman had info posted on this very site saying he was not fired. The Grinsteads also posted a thank you note to Hardiman on the TrackersGlobal website after this interview LG gave about him being fired.

[NancynNC]

I agree with you Fsbiii, it is so confusing and hard to find anything.

I think you are so right on the private investigator too. CTV posted that he was not fired, so LG must be talking about him, or why respond??

[fsbiii]

After LG's statement that the pi was fired, the Grinstead's posted this on the pi's website. Obviously LG was wrong or just wishful thinking since the pi must've uncovered something unbecoming about LG, perhaps? His own words imply as much.

"We have been working with Trackers Global since Tara first disappeared in Oct 2005. We still don't know where she is or what happend to her. We are realistic and know what the statistics are about finding Tara alive, but as long as we have not found her, we cling to that tiny glimmer of hope. We believe in Trackers Global and support Robert in his endeavor to provide this much needed service to any family with a missing loved one and we appreciate his continued efforts to search for our loved one.
Billy and Connie Grinstead
(Tara's Dad & Stepmom)"

Originally posted by NancynNC
I agree with you Fsbiii, it is so confusing and hard to find anything.

I think you are so right on the private investigator too. CTV posted that he was not fired, so LG must be talking about him, or why respond??

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I don't know where to post what any more. Is the black truck thread merged with the "Possible Crime Scene" thread?
This is utterly confusing. Maybe that's the point. Thank goodness for the cache.

IMO, LG was talking about Trackers Global and its recovery agent, Hardiman. Hardiman had info posted on this very site saying he was not fired. The Grinsteads also posted a thank you note to Hardiman on the TrackersGlobal website after this interview LG gave about him being fired. Thanks FSB, so someone hired by the family thought this in regard to TG and LG?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I don't know where to post what any more. Is the black truck thread merged with the "Possible Crime Scene" thread?
This is utterly confusing. Maybe that's the point. Thank goodness for the cache.

IMO, LG was talking about Trackers Global and its recovery agent, Hardiman. Hardiman had info posted on this very site saying he was not fired. The Grinsteads also posted a thank you note to Hardiman on the TrackersGlobal website after this interview LG gave about him being fired.

It's an attempt to micromanage something that is an unknown. It never works.

[fsbiii]

Obviously "the family" is a term used too often and loosely on these boards. LG himself phrased it "the other side of the family," and he's referring to Tara's dad. TrGl also said they were non-profit at some point after their work w/Tara's case began; not sure if it started off non-profit or not, so I don't know about the "hiring" part of your question.

I'd like to know exactly what TrGl discovered to make LG think they relayed info on this topic to GBI to get the polygraph maching going. He says anyone close to Tara or the family would know it was ridiculous, but apparently TrGl found something somewhere from someone.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Thanks FSB, so someone hired by the family thought this in regard to TG and LG?

[NancynNC]

We do not know what Hardiman thought. I have not seen any public statements from him. The GBI have interviewed so many people in this case, it may have come from several people. If it was the PI who put it out to the GBI, he had to get it from somewhere.

[fsbiii]

For the record: I tend to think Tara's dad is more "family" than Tara's brother in law, IMO. But then again, Larry Gattis did say:

"I can't say we've lost her, I mean it looks that way, but I've sort of adopted Tara as my sister, she was 14 when I met Anita, and we were always really close. She didn't have a dad, and I have a sister but we don't maintain contact, and thats another story but, Tara was always like a sister to me."

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Obviously "the family" is a term used too often and loosely on these boards. LG himself phrased it "the other side of the family," and he's referring to Tara's dad. TrGl also said they were non-profit at some point after their work w/Tara's case began; not sure if it started off non-profit or not, so I don't know about the "hiring" part of your question.

I'd like to know exactly what TrGl discovered to make LG think they relayed info on this topic to GBI to get the polygraph maching going. He says anyone close to Tara or the family would know it was ridiculous, but apparently TrGl found something somewhere from someone.

Strange! I would like to know that myself.

[grandline]

Originally posted by fsbiii
For the record: I tend to think Tara's dad is more "family" than Tara's brother in law, IMO. But then again, Larry Gattis did say:

"I can't say we've lost her, I mean it looks that way, but I've sort of adopted Tara as my sister, she was 14 when I met Anita, and we were always really close. She didn't have a dad, and I have a sister but we don't maintain contact, and thats another story but, Tara was always like a sister to me."

Goodness, I wonder if BG thinks his daughter didn't have a dad? :(

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
For the record: I tend to think Tara's dad is more "family" than Tara's brother in law, IMO. But then again, Larry Gattis did say:

"I can't say we've lost her, I mean it looks that way, but I've sort of adopted Tara as my sister, she was 14 when I met Anita, and we were always really close. She didn't have a dad, and I have a sister but we don't maintain contact, and thats another story but, Tara was always like a sister to me." Why would he say such a mean thing? That is just awful.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


fsbiii,

Sorry I can't seem to open the first link you provided. Not sure where the interview appeared and who wrote it. And this post I don't know exactly where this quote came from. Is it from the same article? Could you try to link again?

I hate what this board has become. Sorry to have to ask.


** correction, the first link was luvs.
:seeya:

http://www.courtnetonline.bravehost.com/taragrinstead1.html

It's in this article.

[grandline]

Maybe this will work?

http://www.courtnetonline.bravehost.com/taragrinstead1.html (www.courtnetonline.bravehost.com/taragrinstead1.html)

[MakeSomeNoise]

I would interpret "Tara didn't have a dad" to mean she "didn't have a dad that lived in the home", not that she literally DIDN'T HAVE A DAD. Didn't her mother divorce her dad many years ago? Or maybe he wasn't home much. Who knows-- just a thought.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=254732&highlight=tara+didnt+have+a+dad

This was a post that some poster named MHayguard whom I guess is in reality a man by the name of Larry Harriet. This man it is alleged in this thread to have his own website and he came to CourtTV and posted this interview he supposedly di with LG.

So the fundamental questions are WHO THE HECK IS LARRY HARRIET and what sort of journalistic creditials does he have? Is he creditible? Did this interview appear outside cyberspace? Is he connected to anyone in this case and why did he feel compelled to come to CTV site and prerelease his interview?

I don't know, has anyone done any research on this guy?

Just curious.

:seeya:

If you really read the interview between the two Larry's you can see that Larry Harriet is not a seasoned journalist. I think his website is more akin to a blog. The interview seems more of an opportunity for Larry Gattis to tell his version of events than a true investigative piece.JMO.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Apparently this INTERVIEW only aired- if that is the correct term- on some website created solely by the author. Actually the author uploaded all to a self created website on a free webhosting service called BRAVENET. As far as I can tell so far that network is owned by someone in British Columbia Canada.

Anyone find any journalism degree or creditials at all for Larry Harriet? There is no audio stream with this 'interview' so all we have to go on is what this Larry Harriet claims...


HUMMMMMMMMMMM.


:seeya:

So, you think this guy just made up an interview with Larry Gattis? Out of the blue? Just decided to make up a complete dialogue between him and Larry Gattis and then post it to the world wide web for all to see.

Ummm.... sure.

I doens't matter if the guy has a journalism degree or not. What a simpleminded approach. Larry Gattis' words are what's important. Who cares who asked the questions (even though they were crappy questions and solely geared towards Gattis having the ability to say what he wanted to say)?

Sometimes you've got to get out of the weeds to pay attention to what's going on above you.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


That makes ZERO sense to me since Tara LIVED WITH HER DAD for many years in Ocilla. Six years right? She begain teaching at Irwin High around 1997 and she lived with her dad on W. Henderson. In Feb.2003, she moved to her little rental house on W Park when her dad Billy and his second wife Connie moved to Alabama. There are also photos of Tara graduating showing her with her dad. Obviously the two were not estranged.

Anyone in the family would know this. Obviously Tara and her dad were close enough for her to LIVE WITH HIM for at the very least 6 years. And it should be noted he invited her into his home when Tara was an adult, this had nothing to do with court ordered arrangements.

Could this quote referenced to belong to Larry Gaddis really show that Larry Harriet goofed?

This guy - Larry Harriet- initially came here and claimed he would be doing an interview with Anita and Larry right? Didn't he ask for people to email him with questions? OOPS. another place for a poster to give up information to some unknown thrid party, in my estimation...

Could we all have been taken in by someone whose motives had nothing to do with this case particularly but who used this missing person case to gather inform from others?

Just wondering. Pure speculation on my part.

Consider me the resident cynic when it comes to other forums or websites.

Maybe this is off topic of sorts - in a day and age of identity theft and all sorts of trolling online for personal information, we each must be careful where we go to discuss and whom we trust before we give up our email addresses.

MOO.

:seeya:

Good point. That makes better sense to me. I didn't know she had lived with her dad later, etc. so thanks for clearing that up.

[grandline]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone



This guy - Larry Harriet- initially came here and claimed he would be doing an interview with Anita and Larry right? Didn't he ask for people to email him with questions?



You are correct. He did start threads here and on another Tara forum soliciting questions for his interviews.

[kbrown]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I don't know where to post what any more. Is the black truck thread merged with the "Possible Crime Scene" thread?
This is utterly confusing. Maybe that's the point. Thank goodness for the cache.

IMO, LG was talking about Trackers Global and its recovery agent, Hardiman. Hardiman had info posted on this very site saying he was not fired. The Grinsteads also posted a thank you note to Hardiman on the TrackersGlobal website after this interview LG gave about him being fired.


As it was explained to me BG had told AG and LGg that he was letting RH go in late Jan. CG talked him out of it apparently some weeks later. I am now hearing that he is not working the case. I had an e-mail addy for RH at one time, but it no longer works. An e-mail last week got returned that went to the old addy.

[kbrown]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Good point. That makes better sense to me. I didn't know she had lived with her dad later, etc. so thanks for clearing that up.

Tara did her student teaching in Spring of 1998 and moved in with her dad and step mother. She moved in permanently when she accepted a fulltime position that summer at ICHS. Tara signed the lease on her home Aug 2002 and had lived ther until she disappeared. She moved out of her Dad's BEFORE he left Ocilla..

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by kbrown



As it was explained to me BG had told AG and LGg that he was letting RH go in late Jan. CG talked him out of it apparently some weeks later. I am now hearing that he is not working the case. I had an e-mail addy for RH at one time, but it no longer works. An e-mail last week got returned that went to the old addy.

This is from Trackers Global website. Nothing updated in your timeframe.

http://www.trackersglobal.com/

[kbrown]

Originally posted by concernedperson


This is from Trackers Global website. Nothing updated in your timeframe.

http://www.trackersglobal.com/


I did not get my information from that web site. I got it from being in the same building in January when the conversation took place.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by kbrown



I did not get my information from that web site. I got it from being in the same building in January when the conversation took place.

How does 4 weeks worth of information get told before it's time?

You "heard" this in January, but yet you're talking about some information that occurred in February.

You wouldn't be pulling our proverbial leg now, would you?

[kbrown]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


How does 4 weeks worth of information get told before it's time?

You "heard" this in January, but yet you're talking about some information that occurred in February.

You wouldn't be pulling our proverbial leg now, would you?

Ok let me try again. The conversation between BG, Ag and LG occurred in toward the end January. Sometimes in Feb CG talked BG into keeping RH on the case. I am not pulling your leg, just telling what happened. Now can I ask a question? What time zone is this board in? It shows it is 1:42am on July 7 on my computer for this site. At my house, it is 8:42pm on July 6. :shrug:

[kys]

Originally posted by fsbiii
For the record: I tend to think Tara's dad is more "family" than Tara's brother in law, IMO. But then again, Larry Gattis did say:

"I can't say we've lost her, I mean it looks that way, but I've sort of adopted Tara as my sister, she was 14 when I met Anita, and we were always really close. She didn't have a dad, and I have a sister but we don't maintain contact, and thats another story but, Tara was always like a sister to me."


This is a statement LG made that I have never understood......Why would LG say that Tara didn't have a dad?? When plainly she does....Alot of things AG and LG have stated about this investigation makes absolutely no sense, but this one is very weird...IMO

Allso, IIRC didn't LG state that he and Tara went shopping together at times??? If so, where did they shop at?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by kys



This is a statement LG made that I have never understood......Why would LG say that Tara didn't have a dad?? When plainly she does....Alot of things AG and LG have stated about this investigation makes absolutely no sense, but this one is very weird...IMO

Allso, IIRC didn't LG state that he and Tara went shopping together at times??? If so, where did they shop at?

I have no idea about the shopping question, but the other question about the dad is addressed previously either on this thread or another, re: a possible misquote by Larry Harriet, the writer or just a possible expression meaning he wasn't home much or whatever.

[concernedperson]

It just seems like a retraction would be due from Larry Harriet if he misquoted or an explanation from LG would be appropriate for this comment. Mr. Grinstead deserves to be acknowledged for who he is....Tara's father. I believe Mr. Grinstead is suffering enough without having his parental acknowledgement stripped or displaced.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by concernedperson
It just seems like a retraction would be due from Larry Harriet if he misquoted or an explanation from LG would be appropriate for this comment. Mr. Grinstead deserves to be acknowledged for who he is....Tara's father. I believe Mr. Grinstead is suffering enough without having his parental acknowledgement stripped or displaced.
Perhaps a phone call to either one of the Larry's would get the retraction or explanation you seek. Just talking about it on a forum doesn't mean they know about it.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Freshwater
OK I see where you are going here. It is a discussion about the Tara's intimates and associates and so to not confuse new posters let's change it and remove the initials. Sound fair?


FH20

Thank you maam. It is way past time to really discuss this case.No initials and just truth. Let a lot of people speak their minds and not buy into anything else or be manipulated. Tara is why we are here and Tara is the one who needs justice. Even GBI said this is a solvable case.Someone has to be truthful.

[kelloggirl]

That makes ZERO sense to me since Tara LIVED WITH HER DAD for many years in Ocilla. Six years right? She begain teaching at Irwin High around 1997 and she lived with her dad on W. Henderson. In Feb.2003, she moved to her little rental house on W Park when her dad Billy and his second wife Connie moved to Alabama. There are also photos of Tara graduating showing her with her dad. Obviously the two were not estranged.

Matthew7:1, I interpreted LG's comment as referring to Tara not having a dad at the time he met her - when she was 14. To me, he was speaking of the past.

According to the news reports, Tara's 31st birthday was November 14, 2005. Doing the math, she was born in 1974, and would've been 14 in 1988, well before she ever moved back with her dad in 1997, as you posted.

Whether or not that's a fair statement about Mr. Grinstead even if he was speaking about the situation when Tara was 14, I couldn't say. It does seem a bit insensitive, though, not to have at least qualified it as "not having a dad around."

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by kelloggirl


Matthew7:1, I interpreted LG's comment as referring to Tara not having a dad at the time he met her - when she was 14. To me, he was speaking of the past.

According to the news reports, Tara's 31st birthday was November 14, 2005. Doing the math, she was born in 1974, and would've been 14 in 1988, well before she ever moved back with her dad in 1997, as you posted.

Whether or not that's a fair statement about Mr. Grinstead even if he was speaking about the situation when Tara was 14, I couldn't say. It does seem a bit insensitive, though, not to have at least qualified it as "not having a dad around."

'It wasn't qualified with not having a dad around. It was qualified with not having a dad.As if there never was a dad.

Even though I am divorced from my children's father I would never say they didn't have a dad. They did.He loves them and he still loves me although it couldn't work.To never acknowledge or to disavow is so extremely wrong to me.

[kelloggirl]

Originally posted by concernedperson


'It wasn't qualified with not having a dad around. It was qualified with not having a dad.As if there never was a dad.

Right, I agree, but isn't that what I said? As spoken, the original statement was not qualified at all (I was using the grammatical definition of a qualifier here) - there was no "around" or "at the time" to soften the "no dad" statement. I said that the statement should've been qualified with the word "around" if that's what he really meant. I apologize for any confusion.

Even so, I personally am not sure if it was meant in such a perjorative sense as many are assuming. Giving a live interview isn't really easy, and how many of us always say precisely what we mean? Not to mention things getting lost in transcription. (See above for example, and I was able to reread and edit what I wrote, but the point obviously didn't quite come across.) Or maybe this could just be my not knowing the players and their relationships as everyone else seems to, and LG did mean it as an insult. Did they not get along prior to Tara's disappearance?

Results, I can't personally answer your question as to why this came up recently, I never saw it the first time but haven't been around that long.

[fsbiii]

I dug up the quote from Gattis about Tara "not having a dad" in the context of showing how this "family" issue has been splintered from the get-go. Gattis explained in the interview that the investigator for "the other side of the family" was terminated, and implied this termination occurred after that investigator stumbled onto information (and shared it with others) about Gattis and Tara.

I've always found it unfair to hear such broad, sweeping commentary from the Gattises about "the family" when they are truly speaking for themselves. Obviously, by their own words, they consider Tara's father "the other side of the family."

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I dug up the quote from Gattis about Tara "not having a dad" in the context of showing how this "family" issue has been splintered from the get-go. Gattis explained in the interview that the investigator for "the other side of the family" was terminated, and implied this termination occurred after that investigator stumbled onto information (and shared it with others) about Gattis and Tara.

I've always found it unfair to hear such broad, sweeping commentary from the Gattises about "the family" when they are truly speaking for themselves. Obviously, by their own words, they consider Tara's father "the other side of the family."

That comment ("the other side of the family") is what stood out to me when first reading the article. Typically a situation like this would bring all family members together with a united purpose and make them closer due to a shared burden.

It seems to me that whatever previous divide existed, only broadened in the wake of Tara's disappearance after reading that article. Something that I find peculiar.

[luvmy2labpups]

UMMMMM Waters, how on earth did her family become her intimates & associates? What happened last night that I missed?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
UMMMMM Waters, how on earth did her family become her intimates & associates? What happened last night that I missed?
I think the moderator here just wanted to simplify all those initials, you know, like into 3 separate groups.

1. family (self explanatory)
2. intimates (boyfriends)
3. associates (business contacts)

Seems simple enough.

[fsbiii]

Before an edit this afternoon, the original title was just "Intimates & Associates." Family wasn't in the title.

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

I think the moderator here just wanted to simplify all those initials, you know, like into 3 separate groups.

1. family (self explanatory)
2. intimates (boyfriends)
3. associates (business contacts)

Seems simple enough.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Before an edit this afternoon, the original title was just "Intimates & Associates." Family wasn't in the title.


Then I stand corrected. I wasn't here earlier today. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Before an edit this afternoon, the original title was just "Intimates & Associates." Family wasn't in the title.



Ummm... family members are intimates.

:shrug:

[fsbiii]

In my house, intimates are kept in the top drawer. :)

I was just pointing out that a mod changed the title to the thread to use the word "family" too.

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Ummm... family members are intimates.

:shrug:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by fsbiii
In my house, intimates are kept in the top drawer. :)

I was just pointing out that a mod changed the title to the thread to use the word "family" too.



LMAO

I reckon it confused a lot of people.

[longcoolwoman]

Originally posted by Results


...I don't know much about BG I wish I did. I wish he would come forward and let us know something anything from him would be good. The silence from the parents are deafining. JMHO (This is by all means not to hurt anyone but lets face it without the parents help we only have one side) I would love to hear what BG has to say. God be with them at this very difficult time.

I don't know BG personally, but my dh does and has spoken with him on many occasions since Tara's disappearance. According to dh, BG is a fine person, and this has hit him and Mrs. BG hard.

[kys]

Originally posted by Results
This is very interesting. When I read this interview when it first came out I started a thread asking how could LG make such a statement. No response. What has changed since the interview and now? Why does it sound bad now when it didn't when he first said it. I don't care what he meant by it he should not have said it. Do you think that BG deserved his own family bashing him? How many boards said Happy Fathers Day to him. I am sick and tired of hearing about AG and LG. What about her parents? You want my opinion, (I'm sure you don't but just the same I think I will go ahead and give it all I got). Shame on AG and LG. This is not about you. This is about a missing daughter, sister, aunt, and friend, not you. NOT YOU! How many times must this be said before you get the idea this is not about YOU! What do you think Tara would think about YOU! It is so easy to point the finger and say "Oh yeah we now who did it, MH, LE coverup, GBI coverup, etc, etc. YOU have not helped the situation any. I witnessed today someone step forward and face questions head on, you might have not liked the answers, but by God you got them. So, AG and LG come on out and tell me why your behaviour is so whacked out? Step forward and tell me why your story changes on almost every interviews. Tell me why you will not talk about HD? I know you guys are too busy for me, but, are you too busy for everyone on this board and not other boards? You guys have pulled these boards apart and divided a community for what? What have you accomplished? What is your mission? You keep asking questions that are directed to hurt people why are you not answering questions that can get to the truth? Are you hiding something? At what cost do you want to convict MH? Why the hatred? Where is your evidence? Do I think you had anything to do with Tara's disappearance? NO
But what cost will you go to make MH guilty? Have you ever thought of anyone else? Have you ever thought you could be wrong? Why do you hate people like me that say I don't think MH had anything to do with it. If you would just stop this hatred we could get somewhere, maybe. Don't answer me now, please just sleep on it. THIS IS MY OBSERVATION AND OPINION ONLY!!!

Amen Results!!!! I agree wholeheartly with this post! All Anita and Larry need to do is step forward and answer the questions, TRUTHFULLY!!.......I've seen it done, right here, Gooch answered ALL the questions a few could throw his way, and he has my praise for that!!

So to Anita and Larry I say: Come on out and answer the questions honestly that really need answered in this! If it were my sister I would NOT try to throw the blame on one person and one person only, I would be out there screaming for everyone that could hear that my sister is missing please everyone help me find her!! I am just finding it so hard to understand why they want only a select few involved in searching for Tara, and why they feel they have to be in control of all the searches and where to search....I don't understand why they can't answer questions for themselves.....Instead you go ove to CB ask a question and get a vile remark from their few IE: J4T, MM........You can not get an answer other than a nasty one there period....

Come on Larry and Anita come on and anwser these questions for us..

And for the record, I agree, Marcus H has been raked over the coals and every part of his life put out there for the world to see, and I do not believe this man is guilty at all!

[kys]

Wasn't the satement that "Tara didn't have a dad" said at the same time that LarryG made the statement that AG would "have him pushing up daisies'? Or was that two different interviews??

I know the one about daisies I heard on TV but was the other one made at that same time as well?? I can't remember..

[fsbiii]

The CrimeLibrary article where this quote comes from is from January 2006.

"The way Gattis sees it: the very fact that he was alive and able to be asked about his alleged affair is proof that the rumor is baseless. "I wouldn't be alive right now," he said. 'If you know my wife, I'd be pushing up daisies somewhere.'"

The Larry Harriet interview with the "didn't have a dad" line is from February 7/8, 2006.

[kys]

Thank you for clearing that up for me FSB.....Ok, so is this the same interveiw they were doing where LarryG stated that he had taken an LDT?? And the GBI told him he failed the one question about beinging intimate with Tara?? Just a little confused about it, and have read so much it all seems to be running together nowadays...

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by kys
Thank you for clearing that up for me FSB.....Ok, so is this the same interveiw they were doing where LarryG stated that he had taken an LDT?? And the GBI told him he failed the one question about beinging intimate with Tara?? Just a little confused about it, and have read so much it all seems to be running together nowadays...

You are probably right on with your assessments. Keep up the good work.

[Moms4Justice]

Talk of GBI crime scene trucks at the old Tara center and LE going running out like "crazy"?
Anyone know anything?

[concernedperson]

I know as much as you do right now. On pins and needles though.

[HonestInjun]

Closure would be nice....God speed the GBI....

Time for an arrest.....IMO...:seeya:

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mannequin

They were walking door to door in parts of the neighborhood, and with the crime scene trucks thrown into the mix maybe they got a new lead and/or confiscated more item or took some more DNA swab or something. Was this also GBI in the black SUVs? Two or three of those Tahoe or Yukon type trucks were parked out front at one point in addition to the white crime units.

Thanks for the update.

What elese did you see? What time did you see these trucks?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mannequin
I came over to this website to try to read about the tv program that's got everybody all bent out of shape and found all this other stuff written about Tara. i had no idea. My old heart couldn't take reading this stuff very long. I just came to read about Haunted Evidence since its the talk of the town right now.

What is the talk of the town about the show? How are people feeling about it?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin
I came over to this website to try to read about the tv program that's got everybody all bent out of shape and found all this other stuff written about Tara. i had no idea. My old heart couldn't take reading this stuff very long. I just came to read about Haunted Evidence since its the talk of the town right now.

Bent out of shape?

If I lived there, I might be bent out of shape if a charlatan was to come into town with cameras whirling a mile a minute and feeding people, who so desperately want answers, a bunch of BS that any cold reader could do.

For those that believe in psychics, more power to them. If it gives them some type of comfort in life, then so be it.

But in my opinion it is nothing more than a predatory profession that takes advantage of people when they're having weak moments in life and feel helpless and hopeless.

[The R]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Bent out of shape?

If I lived there, I might be bent out of shape if a charlatan was to come into town with cameras whirling a mile a minute and feeding people, who so desperately want answers, a bunch of BS that any cold reader could do.

For those that believe in psychics, more power to them. If it gives them some type of comfort in life, then so be it.

But in my opinion it is nothing more than a predatory profession that takes advantage of people when they're having weak moments in life and feel helpless and hopeless.

Don't hold back your true feelings BFD, let us know what you really think..........

Sorry, I could not help it......;)

[IBC]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone I would like to know what anyone can confirm or knows of why and what the GBI did?

Wouldn't we all? The GBI isn't about to said anything, which is really unfortunate. Anything we surmise could well be off base, but we certainly can wonder. I just don't see how GBI occasionally giving a statement would harm their case. It would be a positive public relations move, would squash rumors, and might subdue uneasy and uncomfortable feelings among Ocillans.

[mooloo]

Are there uneasy and uncomfortable feelings among Ocilla folks? I haven't heard this.

Originally posted by IBC


Wouldn't we all? The GBI isn't about to said anything, which is really unfortunate. Anything we surmise could well be off base, but we certainly can wonder. I just don't see how GBI occasionally giving a statement would harm their case. It would be a positive public relations move, would squash rumors, and might subdue uneasy and uncomfortable feelings among Ocillans.

[msmith1]

This post was started 2 days ago with information that the GBI were scurrying around Ocilla. Whatever happened? Any new news to share? Please share !!

[Atok]

They swirled in and they swirled out, leaving the general public with nothing but guesses about the reasons.

[IBC]

Originally posted by Atok They swirled in and they swirled out, leaving the general public with nothing but guesses about the reasons.

And more gossip and more rumors.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Do you know how long the GBI was in Ocilla, i.e., days/hours?

TIA

They could still be there. It isn't up to us anymore to discern what is or what isn't. Someone with more knowledge has stepped in.

We have to let authorities handle at this point. I trust GBI. The truth will fall wherever it may.

[msmith1]

How are the folks in Ocilla feeling today. Is there the feeling that something is about to break with the GBI in town?

[InOcillaGA]

It looked like everthing was going to break loose Saturday but they left as quick as they came in. Don't know if anything became of any of their questioning. Haven't noticed anything different going on since they left.

[msmith1]

hmmm how odd is that. Of course seems there are so many twists to this that it doesn't surprise me. My heart aches for closure of some sort. We all know that this family is suffering in a way few of us can understand. I'm one of those that checks the board first thing everyday hoping for something. It's taking soo long. I'm also thankful for every bit of info given from those that are closest to the situation. Thanks

[lostinthought]

My mother-in-law was interviewed by the GBI this past weekend. She is the one who saw the man the Monday night after Tara went missing.

[Moms4Justice]

Originally posted by lostinthought
My mother-in-law was interviewed by the GBI this past weekend. She is the one who saw the man the Monday night after Tara went missing.

Did she say who they were questioning about?
Did she say that acted like they knew something more or that there was a tip or a break in the case or just following up from old stuff?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by guitarstring
*snipped*

A suicide attempt is a very serious thing and is a cry for help. We know this man has been through some tough times, but to try to kill himself is a loud message. Either he's totally innocent, but people have found him guilty in their eyes & he's buckling from the pain of being wrongly accused, OR, maybe he does have some involvement and is cracking under the pressure?

Either way, my prayers go out to the family of JML for all they are dealing with alongside their loved one in this difficult time.
(if this is true)

The ONLY place I've heard it characterized as a "suicide attempt" is from the other board you referenced.

My understanding was that he was hospitalized due to an overdose. But at this time no one has come out and said whether the OD was accidental or an attempt to take his own life. Many people have been hospitalized throughout the years due to an overdose... doesn't mean all of them were attempting suicide.

In my opinion the man had plenty on his plate well before Tara Grinstead ever went missing. The innuendo, accusations and rumors surely did not help the situation, I'm sure.

[msmith1]

Yes that confirms it!!!! I'm so lost. I try to stay up but if you miss a day or two your out in the cold. What man was seen? Where was he seen and is the man in the hospital the same one that owned the mobile home that burned right after Tara was missing.
The mohter-in-law that was interviewed...where did she she this man? Was it at Tara's and does the mother-in-law live close to Tara?
Does she know the Poirters?
Just trying to catch up Thanks

[msmith1]

Thanks so much for the update. I thought all along that it was an old mobile home that had burned. See...lost. I truly appreciated the update and am now SOOO curious about this man that was seen. Lostinthought!!! Where are you?

[Moms4Justice]

snipped from guitarstrings post

"Never heard of a mobile home burning up, but a HOUSE burned on Snapdragon Road & NO, this man did not own it, nor do I believe he had permission to even be in the home, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong. "


He was house sitting for the elderly lady that owned to my understanding.

[Saunterer]

Isn't it amazing ... that, notwithstanding the GBI's inexplicable silence regarding things that matter most to the good citizens of Georgia, an entire town full of people seems to be totally dumbfounded and oblivious to what is happening around them?

[rhill]

Originally posted by Saunterer
Isn't it amazing ... that, notwithstanding the GBI's inexplicable silence regarding things that matter most to the good citizens of Georgia, an entire town full of people seems to be totally dumbfounded and oblivious to what is happening around them?

What is happening around them? :confused:

[Moms4Justice]

Originally posted by Saunterer
Isn't it amazing ... that, notwithstanding the GBI's inexplicable silence regarding things that matter most to the good citizens of Georgia, an entire town full of people seems to be totally dumbfounded and oblivious to what is happening around them?

Absolutely Amazing!

[justthinking]

What many of us need to realize is this is not about US. Because the case may involve LE officials or agents, it is of the utmost importance that the information the GBI is gathering be kept absolutely quiet as not to be leaked to the perp. We all understand the brotherhood of the LE and how the slightest bit of info spreads like wildfire through the departments. As a result, LE unknowingly helps out the perp. I, like everyone else, would love to know what is going on on a regular basis. However, I do trust that LE is doing their job and will render favorable results. Let us not forget the rush to make hasty moves which can end up with the same outcome as in the O.J........sorry, Nicole Simpson case.

For the longest, I think LE was led to believe ONE theory. Now that it has not led them to Tara, they have had to come up with another game plan....perhaps, drop back and punt. Please give them time to get back in the game and make some yardage before we criticize the new strategy. And, please forgive the analagy as I am sure I will have someone who will make some wise comment about it.

Again, this is not about us.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
What many of us need to realize is this is not about US. Because the case may involve LE officials or agents, it is of the utmost importance that the information the GBI is gathering be kept absolutely quiet as not to be leaked to the perp. We all understand the brotherhood of the LE and how the slightest bit of info spreads like wildfire through the departments. As a result, LE unknowingly helps out the perp. I, like everyone else, would love to know what is going on on a regular basis. However, I do trust that LE is doing their job and will render favorable results. Let us not forget the rush to make hasty moves which can end up with the same outcome as in the O.J........sorry, Nicole Simpson case.

For the longest, I think LE was led to believe ONE theory. Now that it has not led them to Tara, they have had to come up with another game plan....perhaps, drop back and punt. Please give them time to get back in the game and make some yardage before we criticize the new strategy. And, please forgive the analagy as I am sure I will have someone who will make some wise comment about it.

Again, this is not about us. Who is the PERP you are talking about? Last article I read they don't even see any evidence of foul play. Hence, the reason she is still considered a missing person.

[justthinking]

The term PERP was a very general term, not with any one specific person in mind. Although there is no evidence of foul play, you and I both know foul play is suspected, hence the yellow CRIME SCENE tape.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by justthinking
The term PERP was a very general term, not with any one specific person in mind. Although there is no evidence of foul play, you and I both know foul play is suspected, hence the yellow CRIME SCENE tape.

I don't think the fact that there is crime scene tape still up has anything to do with anything.

Heck.....aren't they packing up her household things and getting ready to move them?

I just walked by a water pipe break and it was cordoned off with POLICE yellow Crime Scene tape. So go figure

:shrug:

[justthinking]

Pups, my reason for logging on and replying to your post was not to engage in meaningless arguments, but to stress the importance of patience in this very sensitive case. I think all of us armchair detectives want to solve this case, but we need to remember that some innocent people may be being accused, while the guilty is being overlooked.

I read these posts regularly, but sit back quietly and just watch all of the finger pointing and bashing. I have not taken part in such and refuse to do so now. The sharing of ideas is important to this case. However, hurtful, unfounded accusations are not.

Again, I am not here to defend anyone. Heck, I don't know anyone. I just think we need to continue to be open minded and look in all directions......which I am sure that is what the LE is doing.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
The term PERP was a very general term, not with any one specific person in mind. Although there is no evidence of foul play, you and I both know foul play is suspected, hence the yellow CRIME SCENE tape. No I don't know there is foul play suspected. Yellow tape is put up during an investigation to keep people from entering, so far it looks like their investigation has led them to believe as of this date (almost 9 months later) that there is NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY. Do you honestly think that the GBI requested that they keep the tape up? Call the GBI and ask them if it is a normal practice to keep crime scene tape up for 9 months. Further, please ask them why they put the tape up and if they asked Anita to keep it up. My take on it still being there is for attention and I don't believe it is the GBI or LE that is seeking that attention. I strongly believe that Tara is alive and well, you are free to believe what you wish and I don't seek to change your mind. As far as I am concerned, they don't have a PERP and they say there is NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY. I think I will go with that. I don't believe there was foul play either.

[justthinking]

Pups, I certainly was not insinuating you were finger pointing. I was just replying to your post and the statement was about the boards as a whole. It was not aimed at you and I hope I did not offend you. If I did, I am truly sorry. I have read many of your post and have found you to be very knowledgeable and informative.

Again, I am sorry if I offended you.

[justthinking]

Okay Pups, I will go with your take on that. I have looked at the latest pics of her and compared them to earlier ones. I have wondered it several times myself. So, do you think she went on her own or against her will? Any help?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
Pups, my reason for logging on and replying to your post was not to engage in meaningless arguments, but to stress the importance of patience in this very sensitive case. I think all of us armchair detectives want to solve this case, but we need to remember that some innocent people may be being accused, while the guilty is being overlooked.

I read these posts regularly, but sit back quietly and just watch all of the finger pointing and bashing. I have not taken part in such and refuse to do so now. The sharing of ideas is important to this case. However, hurtful, unfounded accusations are not.

Again, I am not here to defend anyone. Heck, I don't know anyone. I just think we need to continue to be open minded and look in all directions......which I am sure that is what the LE is doing. What made you respond to me again when I had not even responded to your first post. Sure, I agree patience is necessary and I believe in the long run patience will bring Tara home. Atleast I hope it will. I will state my thoughts/ opinions with gusto just have many others on here have. I have watched as numerous people have been accused of being a possible perp, as SF, MH, AV and others have been accused without one ounce of proof. The band marches to a beat of only one tune and anytime anybody goes against them, they are bashed. Hell, now they want to run me over with a truck, because I have an opinion. Lets talk about posting trash, put the blame where it belongs, and it isn't on me. You can have differing opinions but I would never in a million years dream of saying or wishing any harm on you or anyone. Go take a look on the site they post on and if you find it even remotely ok then you have a very skewed view on reality. Grieving people don't poke fun at attempted suicide victims, nor do they enjoy joking about running over and backing up and running people over again. Honestly, it makes me sick.

[luvmy2labpups]

SHEESH, you are responding faster then I can get back to you. LOL, I will try and respond to all in just a minute.

[luvmy2labpups]

I believe she left on her own, maybe had some help and believe that she confided in someone that she was going. I believe she had alot of turmoil going on in her life and needed/wanted to get away from it all. I believe she will be found alive and well and don't have an opinion one way or another on if she will want to return to Ocilla. I would hope she would just so that the many who care about her would know that she is ok. However, if she did leave on her own, the things that have come as a result of her disappearance be it good or bad may be a reason to not want to return. I have tried regularly to understand the position of those who believe she is no longer alive, but nobody has given me any reason good enough to change my thoughts. Obviously there is a potential that something bad happened but I can't see anything indicating it at this point. Would I want justice for Tara if something happened to her, absolutely. My take on justice is not just throwing someone under a bus just because someone needs to be responsible for it. In otherwords, the right person. Until such time as there is information to the contrary I hold out hope that she is alive and well.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
What made you respond to me again when I had not even responded to your first post. Sure, I agree patience is necessary and I believe in the long run patience will bring Tara home. Atleast I hope it will. I will state my thoughts/ opinions with gusto just have many others on here have. I have watched as numerous people have been accused of being a possible perp, as SF, MH, AV and others have been accused without one ounce of proof. The band marches to a beat of only one tune and anytime anybody goes against them, they are bashed. Hell, now they want to run me over with a truck, because I have an opinion. Lets talk about posting trash, put the blame where it belongs, and it isn't on me. You can have differing opinions but I would never in a million years dream of saying or wishing any harm on you or anyone. Go take a look on the site they post on and if you find it even remotely ok then you have a very skewed view on reality. Grieving people don't poke fun at attempted suicide victims, nor do they enjoy joking about running over and backing up and running people over again. Honestly, it makes me sick.

Help me out here....I am not sure I know what you are referring to.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
I believe she left on her own, maybe had some help and believe that she confided in someone that she was going. I believe she had alot of turmoil going on in her life and needed/wanted to get away from it all. I believe she will be found alive and well and don't have an opinion one way or another on if she will want to return to Ocilla. I would hope she would just so that the many who care about her would know that she is ok. However, if she did leave on her own, the things that have come as a result of her disappearance be it good or bad may be a reason to not want to return. I have tried regularly to understand the position of those who believe she is no longer alive, but nobody has given me any reason good enough to change my thoughts. Obviously there is a potential that something bad happened but I can't see anything indicating it at this point. Would I want justice for Tara if something happened to her, absolutely. My take on justice is not just throwing someone under a bus just because someone needs to be responsible for it. In otherwords, the right person. Until such time as there is information to the contrary I hold out hope that she is alive and well.


In this day and time it is hard to believe someone would just disappear. Yes, I am familiar with certain cases, but even if she was pregnant, as has been discussed, that would be no reason to just disappear.....even to protect the father. Heck, Terri Hatcher, who has the media all over her all the time, has been able to conceal the paternity of her child. Granted, a pregnancy would have been scandalous for a short time, but not nearly as long as this disappearance has been.

If Tara left on her own, regardless of the reason, I would equate the selfishness to that of a person who commits suicide. In such cases, the true victims are those left here to grieve.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by justthinking



In this day and time it is hard to believe someone would just disappear. Yes, I am familiar with certain cases, but even if she was pregnant, as has been discussed, that would be no reason to just disappear.....even to protect the father. Heck, Terri Hatcher, who has the media all over her all the time, has been able to conceal the paternity of her child. Granted, a pregnancy would have been scandalous for a short time, but not nearly as long as this disappearance has been.

If Tara left on her own, regardless of the reason, I would equate the selfishness to that of a person who commits suicide. In such cases, the true victims are those left here to grieve.

HUH ??? Did I miss something? Possibly a National Enguirer article, maybe Soap Digest? Is that how Terri Hatcher fits in here?

[floridasweet5]

I'M FAIRLY NEW TO THIS BOARD, AND FOR THESE COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD, R ALL OF U FROM THE GA AREA???????

I'M IN FLORIDA

JUST CURIOUS, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE AREAS YOUR SPEAKIN OF............:confused:

FLORIDASWEET5

[justthinking]

If Tara was pregnant and wanted to keep the baby, all she would have to say is she was artificially inseminated. Her business; her choice.....end of discussion. And if she had help with the disappearance, whoever helped her, I'm sure would go along with the story. I don't think a married man would push the issue.

If the father were a student, now that's a different story.

Strings, you made some great points, but I'm with you....clueless!

[IBC]

Guitarstring, I think your assessment is quite good.

If T disappeared on her own because of any of the pregnancy theories, a baby should have already been born, assuming she was 1 or 2 months along in October. After all the searches, etc., how could T simply waltz into town one day as if nothing happened and assume there would be no rumors? IMO there would be no coming home.

If she did have a baby, now what? How is she supporting herself? Is someone helping her? Did a mysterious couple want a child and fund her pregnancy? It seems that GBI would pick up on any attempt to get a job in education - license, etc.

No one has reported T sightings. How could she remain hidden? Did she leave the country? Change her identity?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by IBC


*snipped*


No one has reported T sightings. How could she remain hidden? Did she leave the country? Change her identity?

Not quite accurate. There have been "sightings" but no one has confirmed one way or the other if it was Tara. Law enforcement doesn't believe it was Tara that the one truck driver saw... but I don't think they've ever confirmed 100% that it was someone else.

Also, outside of Georgia, not too many people would recognize (or even know who is) Tara Grinstead.

A very small percentage of the population is aware of her. She could be up in Michigan doing her thing at the local grocery store and no one is going to know she is a missing person.

In my opinion, that's the only good thing that will come of the Haunting Evidence show. Someone may recognize her as someone they saw.

[ccteacher]

On July 8, I was in the area and saw several LE with lights on racing around. I was between Irwinville and Ocilla. I'm not sure what was going on, but I was curious to see if it had anything to do with Tara. They were headed toward Irwinville. I was wanting to post this earlier, but I've been out of town. Anyone know what was going on?

[justthinking]

Is anyone familiar with the process of taking someone into the witness protection program? Do they just disappear and leave things as if they vanished or is a death staged?

Long shot, I know.

[simply quiet]

I'd be real curious to see where her packed belongings go. If she were pregnant when she left she wouldn't need her old clothes until just about now. Coincidence?

What made the owner decide to rent out the house now? Did she think that maybe she and her baby would return, but then change her mind?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by ccteacher
On July 8, I was in the area and saw several LE with lights on racing around. I was between Irwinville and Ocilla. I'm not sure what was going on, but I was curious to see if it had anything to do with Tara. They were headed toward Irwinville. I was wanting to post this earlier, but I've been out of town. Anyone know what was going on?

I am not local there, but I was wondering if your local paper listed the police calls from the previous week? Our local paper prints the "police blotter" once a week, they post all the calls from the previous week. Maybe you could look there.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Hi Everyone!

I've thought long and hard about Tara leaving Ocilla, for whatever reason, and I just can't wrap my mind around it.

I find it hard to believe that someone would leave their town, without planning where they're going, or setting up such a move in advance, either by phone or via the internet. I suspect LE has checked all these avenues and turned up empty.

I also can't imagine why Tara would leave $300 in her unlocked car, and not take that money with her. Her bank accounts were not closed or depleted, and her clothing was left behind. Why would Tara do that, and how would she pay rent and buy food, clothing etc., without money?

How did Tara leave the tiny town of Ocilla without being seen or noticed? What method of transportation and payment did she use? Did she leave in the middle of the night? Do buses, trains and planes leave from Ocilla? How did she get to the bus, train or plane?

The questions raised leave me feeling very doubtful that Tara simply up and left, without a trace.

IMO

:seeya: Hi Paula

I am still hanging on to the thought and hope that she is ok.

Funny how I can answer all your questions and be satisfied with my answers and still think there is no sign of a crime.

CTV is loading slow as mollasses here.....Grrrrrrr

Always nice to see you hon. Hope all is well.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by justthinking
Is anyone familiar with the process of taking someone into the witness protection program? Do they just disappear and leave things as if they vanished or is a death staged?

Long shot, I know.

They don't "vanish" in regards to family members. Other people may think they "vanished", but family members are typically aware of the situation. In some cases even allowed to correspond via the US Marshal's office.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


As far as I know, most in the WPP are given new ID's, SS#'s, Motorist ID#'s, etc, and are moved away from their hometown, and away from those who might harm them. Some informants disguise themselves by wearing wigs, and in the case of men beards and/or mustaches.

IMO

In other words, they walk away from the current life and start anew. No need to take anything with them.

If she is alive, this type of vanishing would make far more sense. Though I don't quite know what she would have witnessed.

[lighthousedazy]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The government/state funds those in the WPP and gives them a new identity.

Why would the GBI be searching for Tara if she was in the WPP? But do we know for sure if the GBI is actively searching? We have not heard any press release from them. In the WP program, they usually notify the local LE, but they are not required to notify anyone else such as family members, etc. Maybe this is why the official LE searches were called off after the first couple of weeks. I am just thinking out loud and JMO. I am as baffled as anyone about this case.:shrug:

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Hon! :seeya:


O/T: Went shopping today, but wound up driving around in circles with so many roads closed due to fallen tree limbs. Lightning hit a few trees behind my terrace last night, bringing huge tree limbs down, nearly crashing through my window. This time, we were fortunate not to have lost power, like so many of our neighboring areas.

Hope you are keeping cool in this heat!

HP sorry I am slow and getting back here, so glad you got through the wild stoms.

The heat broke nicely yesterday, just in time. My house stays cool usually but by the 4th day of 90 it gets a bit warm. No AC here, hardly ever need it.

Off to work....:seeya:

Back on topic......prayers for Tara.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The government/state funds those in the WPP and gives them a new identity.

Why would the GBI be searching for Tara if she was in the WPP?

I agree with you Hey Paula.

The government allows the WPP to call their relatives to say they won't be seeing them for a long time. GBI won't be searching for them.

Like I've said, I work in LE but have absolutely nothing to do with this case. I don't know much about the WPP program because I've never worked with it, but I had to learn about policy and procedure. All people who enter into that program have the opportunity to contact their family members by mailing letters to the WPP and the WPP mails them to the family. That way, there is no way to trace the address.

I'm certain she's not in the WPP.

[IBC]

I agree that T is not in a WPP. People in this program are witnesses in very high profile crimes. While there has been mention of drug activity around Ocilla, IMO this just wasn't high profile as in a connection to a drug lord or big-time foreign imports.

I'd love to think T ran, but as more time passes, to me it just doesn't seem as probable as it once did. My practical, keep it simple philosophy seems to be kicking in again, making me think foul play was invovled, and it was probably someone she knew well.

[TuscanDreams]

IBC, I agree with you. I live hundreds of miles from GA and it's so heartbreaking to consider that Tara isn't coming home alive.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
IBC, I agree with you. I live hundreds of miles from GA and it's so heartbreaking to consider that Tara isn't coming home alive.

Did you see the pics of Dolly in the yard by the tree? It was heartbreaking. It had this surreal atmosphere around it. The dog standing sentry at the tree guarding the driveway.Looking...and never finding.

The heartbreak of this case is that it goes on and on. No one is left without scars. It sucks anyone and everyone and attacks anyone who doesn't follow a predescribed notion.

If an anger is present it has nothing to do with Tara. It has to do with finding Tara.Roadblocks are just what sleuthers encounter. The truth is what we are after and, I am sure, LE.

Tara, honey, it is about you. No one else and no one else deserves the attention.

[mooloo]

What part of Tara's background would have kept her from having an abortion? That she is intelligent? educated? open-minded? self-sufficient?

If there were any reason she chose NOT to have an abortion, it might be in hope that it would keep the man in the relationship out of a sense of responsibility, if nothing else. (This would be the completely out of touch thinking kicking in right here.) Perhaps she was too confused and mixed up to think clearly?

I would certainly hope that Tara would have had an abortion and gone on with her life.



Originally posted by Mannequin
I havent read the whole thing but I read alot of posting about if Tara was pregnant or not. Im sorry in advance if someone already asked this but what if she was and she told the father and he was the big ego type who didnt want marriage much less a baby so he suggested a termination of the pregnancy. Tara wouldn't have gone along with that because of her background. If she refused to abort a baby a man like that would kill her as it happens all the time.

[mooloo]

I was under the impression that GBI was NOT searching, that only family/friends were searching? Did GBI ever search?

Originally posted by Hey Paula


The government/state funds those in the WPP and gives them a new identity.

Why would the GBI be searching for Tara if she was in the WPP?

[concernedperson]

I don't believe GBI searches as they are an investigative arm vs. a local entity. Mostly it would be local and county LE doing searches.

[IBC]

Mooloo, I believe the part of T that would prevent an abortion is T's religion.

The GBI investigates at the invitation of local LE. To my knowledge they do not conduct searches.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by IBC
Mooloo, I believe the part of T that would prevent an abortion is T's religion.

The GBI investigates at the invitation of local LE. To my knowledge they do not conduct searches.

When all is said and done... the only true religion that trumps all other things in life is the religion of self-preservation and pride.

[IBC]

You have so many good questions for which I do not have answers. I think CAP was probably called by LE. ES is a private organization; a family can conduct a private search at any time. Private searches make me nervous because evidence could possibly be called contaminated. But, if LE called off searches, what's a family to do?

I may be incorrect, but I think searches now are being privately done. It costs a lot of money to conduct a search; Ocilla is small, as is the county.

[concernedperson]

I am beginning to believe that GBI has a handle on this and won't interact with bogus leads or searches. They need evidence not a red herring at someone's whim.

Obviously, they had something last weekend to check on and most were/are in the dark as to what it was.

V, some of the cases you mentioned in Georgia are being looked at and the same implication applies. Think of GBI as a mini FBI.

I know the US Marshall's Service in Georgia is exemplary. I know that internet scams in Georgia on being shut down daily. Child predators...pretty soon it is all she wrote! These are hard working people with a hard audience and pretty demanding.

I wish we had Don Plummer back reporting too. He was the best investigative reporter AJC had. Surely, there are others in the wings.

But, I don't think naivete is the operable word here.I think patience is the operable word.

[kelloggirl]

Did you see the pics of Dolly in the yard by the tree? It was heartbreaking. It had this surreal atmosphere around it. The dog standing sentry at the tree guarding the driveway.Looking...and never finding.

I really don't want to open a can of worms because I know we've been down this path before, but seeing the Haunting Evidence show where they said and showed that Tara's pets are still living in the house all by themselves, made me so sad and a little angry as an animal lover. It's bad enough that they've lost their beloved owner, but they deserve better than to live in solitary confinement without regular companionship and love.

So as to not take us off-topic, if there's someone in the know, could you please PM me and reassure me that either this wasn't really the case, or that other arrangements for placing Tara's pets have been made since? Thanks in advance.

[ipswitch]

If anyone is interested, here is a picture of Dolly in the yard this past Tuesday, 7/18/2006

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m276/ipswitch_2006/dolly.jpg

It's not the best quality... It was taken by my cameraphone. But as of Tuesday, she was in the yard.

I didn't see Herman, but he is an outdoor cat, so he could have been anywhere.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by kelloggirl


I really don't want to open a can of worms because I know we've been down this path before, but seeing the Haunting Evidence show where they said and showed that Tara's pets are still living in the house all by themselves, made me so sad and a little angry as an animal lover. It's bad enough that they've lost their beloved owner, but they deserve better than to live in solitary confinement without regular companionship and love.

So as to not take us off-topic, if there's someone in the know, could you please PM me and reassure me that either this wasn't really the case, or that other arrangements for placing Tara's pets have been made since? Thanks in advance.

This is the real world. A tragic thing has happened and a family has been placed in a position of taking care of many things. Mrs. Faye as Tara's mother has much more right to say what happens to Tara's posessions than you or I have. She has wanted the animals to stay at home, they have stayed when she feels Tara would want them. We have no right to tell this family what they can and can not do. Well now the house has rented, Tara things have to be moved and stored, her pets have been placed where her FAMILY wants them to be. This is a decision we have no part of. Tara and the pets are the family of the Grinsteads and the Gattis. No matter how you all feel about that it is the truth so just let it be. What does Tara's pets have to do with finding Tara anyway. More post space has been wasted over this when they were being taken care of where they called home for the entire time they were with Tara. I just can't get the reason for covert camera phone pictures and all this hoopla about animals that were home and loved by so many. Now Tara is another case~~~~let us spend our time worring about what happened to her.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
GaCountry-

Not sure if you caught the discrepancies regarding Dolly but many of us have.

At one time we were told by a so-called local intheknow, Dolly had been moved in with family. Many of us were happy and relieved Dolly would be able to have companionship.love, and care. Seems very RIGHT.

Then we heard Dolly was being donated to an org to train as a tracker.

Then we heard many weeks later that DOLLY never left the yard. Someone wondered if she had been returned. BUT NOPE she had never lef

WHY DID THE POSTERS COME TO THIS BOARD AND LIE?

Her owner is GONE. Dogs need companionship and care and no one seems to know what is happening or even cares about DOLLY.

Some of us wonder about the sensibilities of folks who would allow such treatment for an animal. Some of us wonder if such treatment is afforded a helpless dependent puppy, what in the world are PEOPLE treated like. And some of wondered why the games on this board. What could be the point? ANd finally some of us wondered why the family's reputation (or more specifically whoever is calling the shots where Dolly is concerned) -whether you understand or appreciate it- is being tarnished or called into question by what happens to Tara's dog.

It is not an OR statement - care about the dog OR care about Tara. Many many many of us, care about BOTH.

Just MOO.

:seeya: And I do APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS but thisIS CONCERNS WE HAVE NO CONRTOLOVER because WE ARE NOT DOLLY OR HERMANS OWNERS. when Tara was taken , THEY BECAME THE RESPONSIBILITY of Tara's family. I think from what I have seen plans were made to have Dolly trained as a SAR dog, not all are cut out for that. I do know Mr. Joe Potier has been the main caregiver for both animals because he wanted to. I do know Mrs. Faye wanted them to be at home. I do know they were fed, loved and had all vet concerns taken care of. I do know they are being taken care of now. That is a lot more than I know about Tara.

I hope no one takes this as a cold response, I do not mean for it to be. I know a lot of you are away and are concerned but please know regrdless of the other forums rants and raves Dolly and Herman are quite happy and loved by many. Again this in in my opinion based on what I have seen and know.

Gacountry

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry


This is the real world. A tragic thing has happened and a family has been placed in a position of taking care of many things. Mrs. Faye as Tara's mother has much more right to say what happens to Tara's posessions than you or I have. She has wanted the animals to stay at home, they have stayed when she feels Tara would want them. We have no right to tell this family what they can and can not do. Well now the house has rented, Tara things have to be moved and stored, her pets have been placed where her FAMILY wants them to be. This is a decision we have no part of. Tara and the pets are the family of the Grinsteads and the Gattis. No matter how you all feel about that it is the truth so just let it be. What does Tara's pets have to do with finding Tara anyway. More post space has been wasted over this when they were being taken care of where they called home for the entire time they were with Tara. I just can't get the reason for covert camera phone pictures and all this hoopla about animals that were home and loved by so many. Now Tara is another case~~~~let us spend our time worring about what happened to her.

Thank God Tara didn't have children. For some reason I could envision them being fed Cheetos through the screen window of the home.

Many people feel their pets are family members deserving of the same treatment we would give to a human being.

I, for one, am one of those type of people. I think it's abysmal that Dolly and Herman have had to wait around for the Cheeto Lady (that she probably never saw prior to Tara going missing) and a few well-wishers here and there. Dolly and Herman need companionship just like people do. It was cruel, in my opinion, for them to be left lying around like they were some inanimate object waiting on the kitchen cabinet.

Oh, by the way... I (and many others) have the ability to multi-task. We can worry about Tara and her pets at the same time. Amazing thing, huh?

[luvmy2labpups]

Let me say, I don't believe BG, CG or FG have called any shots in regard to Dolly and Herman, in fact, I have been told that AG said they would bring more attention if they were left there. Truth or not it doesn't matter, it has been almost 9 months and these animals deserve a good home. From what I understand J4T has now taken Dolly. All animal lovers should be very concerned. I was sent a copy of a few posts from the CB forum in regard to me and my pups. Not only is this not funny, it is downright sick, twisted and shameful that anybody would say something like this and moreover that CB would allow this to be posted and remain on her forum is just as sick.

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[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry
And I do APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS but thisIS CONCERNS WE HAVE NO CONRTOLOVER because WE ARE NOT DOLLY OR HERMANS OWNERS. when Tara was taken , THEY BECAME THE RESPONSIBILITY of Tara's family. I think from what I have seen plans were made to have Dolly trained as a SAR dog, not all are cut out for that. I do know Mr. Joe Potier has been the main caregiver for both animals because he wanted to. I do know Mrs. Faye wanted them to be at home. I do know they were fed, loved and had all vet concerns taken care of. I do know they are being taken care of now. That is a lot more than I know about Tara.

I hope no one takes this as a cold response, I do not mean for it to be. I know a lot of you are away and are concerned but please know regrdless of the other forums rants and raves Dolly and Herman are quite happy and loved by many. Again this in in my opinion based on what I have seen and know.

Gacountry

You totally missed the main point behind Veracity's post:

Why did people feel the need to lie about something like that?

Either they felt it was "wrong" to leave the animals there in that fashion, so they lied to "smooth things over"...

Or they just have a propensity to lie about anything.

And if it's the second one.... how do we know they aren't lying about things that could have happened to TARA?!?!?!?!

Trust no one. And sure as hell don't trust liars. Even if it's a "simple" lie about some animals.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You totally missed the main point behind Veracity's post:

Why did people feel the need to lie about something like that?

Either they felt it was "wrong" to leave the animals there in that fashion, so they lied to "smooth things over"...

Or they just have a propensity to lie about anything.

And if it's the second one.... how do we know they aren't lying about things that could have happened to TARA?!?!?!?!
Trust no one. And sure as hell don't trust liars. Even if it's a "simple" lie about some animals.


I personally do not see where lie was the word needed. They did have a young friend that wanted to take Dolly and train her as a SAR dog. This did not work out. Mrs. Faye has more say in where Dolly should me than you or I would ever have. I was one of the first that posted Dolly would be trained in response to a post by someone who told me never to post his name but most know who I am speaking of. But it stars with f and ends with iii.

I see no reason for everyone to get there panties in a wad over a situation that is under control. I can say the animls have been looked after and given love and attention by those that love Tara.

I did not come here to start a battle I am battle weary, just thought I could help people know Dolly and Herman are fine, they will be happy and loved and thats all I got to say about that.

Gacountry

[kelloggirl]

Thank you, gacountry, for passing along what you know. If the concerns have been raised with the decision-makers, and they feel the situation is fine as is, I guess I just have to let this go, because as you said, I have no control or input with those who are making the decisions.

If the neighbors are taking care of the pets, that does make me feel a little better because of their proximity and that they're around all the time. Also, being a city apartment-dwelling girl with a solely indoor cat, I have to remember that there are a lot of outdoor pets who live outside all the time, and also that not everyone feels the same about how pets should be taken care of. It seems that Dolly was an outdoor dog, rather than a lap dog - I guess a dog who spent most time out of doors rather than hanging out inside at her owner's feet would probably not be as disconcerted by the situation as an indoor dog.

And as far as concentrating on this issue at the exclusion of Tara, don't worry. This worrier and softie has more than enough concern and sadness to go around.

[SlouthyMom]

Gacountry,
I must respectfully disagree with the comment regarding wasted space.

If I may explain?

Tara's pets are a viable part of Tara therefore People want to see them continue to grow and develop.

Those that feel that Tara might have met with fowl play could see these pets as precious gifts, the only thing left living and breathing of Tara's existence. These were her babies. They need consistent companionship.

Then those that might feel she just walked away may be feeling this is neglect.

No I don't feel discussing a living breathing being that belonged to Tara as wasted space after all this is a discussion board regarding Tara not just "finding Tara".

Now if we were to be discussing redecorating our spare rooms with discarded clothing or the color of our tractors that would be wasted space. IMO

[ipswitch]

I'm going to say this one more time and then I will be quiet about it.

Someone posted on another board (CB) that Dolly was taken on vacation on Monday.

I drove by on Tuesday afternoon, and there was Dolly in the yard. I have a time-stamped photo that shows what day and what time.

I am sick of all the lies and misdirections in this case. The ONLY reason I posted the picture of Dolly was because it had been said that she was ALREADY out of the yard, when clearly she wasn't.

And to the poster who said I should have been helping out instead of driving by, I have helped in so many ways, and have been slammed by a core group of people for doing so.

I have helped out in other ways, that many don't know about, and I will leave it at that. I wasn't even in town to "check up" on the animals, I was visiting my father in law who is in a nursing home in the area.

And if you have a problem with me taking pictures of a dog who misses companionship, take it up with me in PM.

the one and ONLY ipswitch

[ipswitch]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Ipswitch-

I guess I did something wrong. I couldn't see the date/time stamp on that photo? Help appreciated.

After all we've heard so far and guitarstring learning the house was packed up and Tara's things in prep for new tenant, I have been wondering a lot about Dolly.

Thanks for your help.

:seeya:

You didn't do anything wrong... I didn't show the time/date stamp. It is on my phone, and I couldn't figure out how to put it on the pictures I uploaded.

But it was taken on Tuesday.

ipswitch

[SlouthyMom]

Originally posted by ipswitch
I'm going to say this one more time and then I will be quiet about it.

Someone posted on another board (CB) that Dolly was taken on vacation on Monday.

I drove by on Tuesday afternoon, and there was Dolly in the yard. I have a time-stamped photo that shows what day and what time.

I am sick of all the lies and misdirections in this case. The ONLY reason I posted the picture of Dolly was because it had been said that she was ALREADY out of the yard, when clearly she wasn't.

And to the poster who said I should have been helping out instead of driving by, I have helped in so many ways, and have been slammed by a core group of people for doing so.

I have helped out in other ways, that many don't know about, and I will leave it at that. I wasn't even in town to "check up" on the animals, I was visiting my father in law who is in a nursing home in the area.

And if you have a problem with me taking pictures of a dog who misses companionship, take it up with me in PM.

the one and ONLY ipswitch

I am confused.
Did you get more pics after the ones posted on Monday night? Cause I think it was right after you posted those over at TT that others mentioned Dolly on vacation.

editted to add
I think your intentions were honorable

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Ipswitch-

I guess I did something wrong. I couldn't see the date/time stamp on that photo? Help appreciated.

After all we've heard so far and guitarstring learning the house was packed up and Tara's things in prep for new tenant, I have been wondering a lot about Dolly.

Thanks for your help.

:seeya:

V, Ipswitch is the most honorable person. She goes the extra mile and her postings and her resolve are remarkable. I will stand behind her everyday as she is never far from any truth.

I know you want truth as some people are talking now. Please listen sweetie. I want truth too.

This has been a long haul and nothing about wanting Tara found is lost with all the hard work.

[chunt]

I cannot believe that noone is helping Dolly!...someone must be feeding/watering her...even if she still is at Tara's house. Please...she needs some companionship...someone take charge of seeing the dog is taken care of. It isn't fair to Dolly.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by SlouthyMom
Gacountry,
I must respectfully disagree with the comment regarding wasted space.

If I may explain?

Tara's pets are a viable part of Tara therefore People want to see them continue to grow and develop.

Those that feel that Tara might have met with fowl play could see these pets as precious gifts, the only thing left living and breathing of Tara's existence. These were her babies. They need consistent companionship.

Then those that might feel she just walked away may be feeling this is neglect.

No I don't feel discussing a living breathing being that belonged to Tara as wasted space after all this is a discussion board regarding Tara not just "finding Tara".

Now if we were to be discussing redecorating our spare rooms with discarded clothing or the color of our tractors that would be wasted space. IMO

I appreciate your "respect". But again I will say that we have no say in Tara's pets or who her family chooses to let care for them.

I made the point that the Potier family looked on these pets as part of their family as they had Tara. I was not being disrespectful just trying to state what little I know about the situation.

Dolly was not a "house dog" she was well cared for when Tara had her and
I'm sure she came in when Tara choose for her to BUT she was a Yard Dog. She lived in a big shady back yard with a nice house with plenty of straw and bedding. She was carried to the vet and treated as a loved pet, this has continued even after Tara was gone and could not do these things on her own.

Herman did have run of the house but not as a total "House Cat" he to had the run of the community, with regular vet visits and love and care. This too was continued after Tara was gone.

Now as to the wasted space with the spare room and tractor quote, if you had read more of my post on CB you would have seen my comments about comic relief as a stress reliever. I have hurt no one with those post and they have no place in a serious discussion as I feel Tara's pets to be.

I am only trying to help those from other states see that these animals have been cared for as they will be from now on. It is not our decision as to where they should be or who should have them. Tara still has a Mama, a Daddy, a Sister, a Nephew and the list goes on. These people are the ones that will be responsible for Tara's pets and her belongings, none of us have that burden.

Gacountry

[ipswitch]

I drove by the house Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.

I took 2 pictures of the house and yard on Monday, and Dolly was nowhere to be seen.

On Tuesday afternoon, I drove by and took more pictures, including the picture of Dolly.

The exact time of the picture was 3:32 pm EDT on Tuesday July 18th, if that's what you wanted to know.

And mannequin, *I* was the one who took pictures.

If you can tell me how to send the picture, showing the time stamp and date from my phone, please feel free to pm me. I don't know how to send the details, only the picture.

And if anyone else has any questions about it, pm me.

ipswitch

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by ipswitch
I drove by the house Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.

I took 2 pictures of the house and yard on Monday, and Dolly was nowhere to be seen.

On Tuesday afternoon, I drove by and took more pictures, including the picture of Dolly.

The exact time of the picture was 3:32 pm EDT on Tuesday July 18th, if that's what you wanted to know.

And mannequin, *I* was the one who took pictures.

If you can tell me how to send the picture, showing the time stamp and date from my phone, please feel free to pm me. I don't know how to send the details, only the picture.

And if anyone else has any questions about it, pm me.

ipswitch

Hi Ippy

Be careful what and how you send anything out. I don't know why anyone HAS to see the date stamp, your word is good enough for me.

:seeya:

[mooloo]

Hopefully reasonable people would realize that if there was a danger among them, the GBI and LE would be swarming all around. They are not, so they must know something that the rest of us don't know and probably don't need to know. I don't think this was random...if indeed she was harmed/killed. If she left on her own that hardly endangers anyone else.

GBI and LE are trained and educated to do their jobs. Regular citizens are not trained in these kinds of things.

People in Ocilla do not appear dumbfounded, alarmed or worried. They are waiting for LE/GBI to inform them when it is time.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin
I just found out it was Tuesday when Dolly was moved, not Monday like the poster above ipswitch who took pictures said. That is wrong information. This is all so stupid anyway because the dog is fine and Tara is not.

How do you know Tara is not "fine"?

Do you really believe someone has her caged somewhere and refuses to let her go?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mannequin

Alot of the people I see to appear to be worried and nervous and wondering whats going on. I know gbi are doing their job and we all want them to do it faster thats a given. But the fact is they arent going to say what there doing until its done. I think Tara was killed and I think she was killed by someone in our town. We don/t like to think things like that but they do happen everyday in other small towns. What evidence supports your thought that she was "killed"? What evidence supports Tara being killed by somone in "your" town? I have talked with many Ocillians via these message boards and NONE of them seem to be wandering about being nervous or worried for that matter. I believe you are trying to create the illusion that there is a frenzy amongst the citizens of Ocilla and as far as I have been told there is NONE.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
What evidence supports your thought that she was "killed"? What evidence supports Tara being killed by somone in "your" town? I have talked with many Ocillians via these message boards and NONE of them seem to be wandering about being nervous or worried for that matter. I believe you are trying to create the illusion that there is a frenzy amongst the citizens of Ocilla and as far as I have been told there is NONE.

Do YOU happen to have "EVIDENCE" that supports that Tara is still alive by chance? If so, you need to be providing it to someone so this nightmare can end for everyone involved. JMHO. You should not attack other posters for their beliefs or thoughts unless you are willing to back up your own IMO. You told this poster something you "believe" but in the same sentence used the phrase "as far as I have been told".
:no:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin

As I already stated before I believe Tara has been killed.

Oh. You said she wasn't "fine".

If she's dead, she's neither "fine", "not fine" or anything else. Her life is over and she's not feeling pain, happiness, sadness or any other type of emotion or physicality.

So, back to the point I originally made: A living breathing being should be thought of in terms better than a dead being.

If Tara is dead, none of this is going to change her particular status in any manner whatsoever. Finding her at this point is for the sake of the family's (and interested parties) closure. Nothing to do with Tara at all.

Finding a dead Tara will not bring her back to life. She will still remain dead. Nothing that any person can do whatsoever to change that. But people do have the power to change how a living being is treated.

[SlouthyMom]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Oh. You said she wasn't "fine".

If she's dead, she's neither "fine", "not fine" or anything else. Her life is over and she's not feeling pain, happiness, sadness or any other type of emotion or physicality.

So, back to the point I originally made: A living breathing being should be thought of in terms better than a dead being.

If Tara is dead, none of this is going to change her particular status in any manner whatsoever. Finding her at this point is for the sake of the family's (and interested parties) closure. Nothing to do with Tara at all.

Finding a dead Tara will not bring her back to life. She will still remain dead. Nothing that any person can do whatsoever to change that. But people do have the power to change how a living being is treated.


I agreed with you 100% unil your said this


Finding her at this point is for the sake of the family's (and interested parties) closure. Nothing to do with Tara at all.


Ahhh come on BFD that disappointed me a little. You know as well as the rest that finding her dead would have a lot to do with Tara. Tara's killer would still be on the loose. We would all still be about Tara for we would want to see that person brought to justice.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by SlouthyMom



I agreed with you 100% unil your said this





Ahhh come on BFD that disappointed me a little. You know as well as the rest that finding her dead would have a lot to do with Tara. Tara's killer would still be on the loose. We would all still be about Tara for we would want to see that person brought to justice.

I'm a very matter-of-fact type person. Dead is dead. It doesn't matter to the dead person if they are buried in a nice cemetary somewhere... or if they're buried in the concrete foundation of someone's house. They know no difference.

Knowing where our deceased loved ones are at is for our benefit, not their's.

Even finding the person who killed Tara (if she is dead) doesn't have anything to do with Tara. Can't kill her again. Finding the person would be for the benefit of society. Not Tara.

For people who believe she is alive, I can understand the premise that they're "all about Tara". She's a living being that can still be injured in some manner. For people that believe she is dead... well.. there is nothing anyone can do for her.

Maybe I'm a little too philosophical about things... but death cannot be changed. It's something we all have in common and the way we react to a person's death is about ourselves... not the deceased person.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I doubt you would feel this way if Tara was one of your own, BD - at least I hope not, for the sake of your loved ones.

IF (emphasized) someone killed Tara, how is it not for her that her murderer be found and brought to justice? Tara was a liiving, breathing person, until someone ended her life, which had meaning to all who loved and cared about her.

Why does LE investigate murders? After all, the person is dead, and they don't know any better, according to your belief. My God, I am so grateful my loved ones don't feel this way about me, nor I about them.

I also believe that you misconstrued what Mannequin said. I believe the poster meant that Dolly is alive (fine) while Tara was not fine (alive).

IMO

LMAO

Death (and our reactions to death) are all selfish emotions and ultimately rooted in fear and/or denial.

It's an academic approach regarding the "for Tara" crap I keep hearing. It's not "for Tara". It's for that individual's emotions. Not Tara's.

Going through the grieving process is normal. And every single emotion involved in that is a selfish emotion. (Selfish in an academic matter, not selfish in an overblown emotionally wracked thought process).

I don't construe "fine" as meaning living or dead. I guess we could say those folks starving in Nigeria and the like are "fine" because they're alive?

Dolly is a living being. To minimize her importance by giving a false argument that people should be more concerned over a dead being is ridiculous in my opinion.

If one of my relatives die... do I just decide to abandon caring and compassion for the rest of my family members? I would hope not. But this overemotional tripe about how the world stops and everything is about this one dead person is ridiculous in my opinion.

That anger and sense of entitlement is normal in the grieving process.

Personally, I am not grieving because I don't think Tara Grinstead is dead. So I have a completely different outlook. And if some are in the grieving process and wish to work through it... maybe a public message board wouldn't be the best place to exhibit thier symptoms of that grieving process and thus allowing their comments open to discussion?

I guess I could sit here and post platitudes all day long... but I'm not much for platitude. It's demeaning in my opinion.

Finding murderer's is not for the sake of the victim. It's for the sake of society. Why the hell do you think we lock them up? If they killed once, they can kill again. Sure, we like to get on these emotional tirades about "justice for such-and-such"... it's become a platitude because it's so damn insincere. It's become cliche... and it's "expected" of our victim status mentality.

To see the responsible person pay for their crimes is all about "us". The living beings. If anyone says any differently, they're fooling themselves.

[BroadwayJoe]

Also Dude, do you think it's okay to just leave our deceased soldiers in Iraq or bring them home for proper burials? I don't think we need to take a vote here to see who disagrees with your outlook and your "dead is dead" theory.

And one more thing. Animals aren't "beings". Humans are.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
Also Dude, do you think it's okay to just leave our deceased soldiers in Iraq or bring them home for proper burials? I don't think we need to take a vote here to see who disagrees with your outlook and your "dead is dead" theory.

And one more thing. Animals aren't "beings". Humans are.

LMAO... animals aren't "beings"? (Pssstt... anything living, is a being)

Again... bringing home our soldiers is for "our" benefit. Not the deceased.

A "proper burial" is an emotional outlet attached to our selfish desires to assuage our guilt, pain or any other host of emotions we feel when dealing with the death of a loved one.

Though I admire your patriotic rhetoric to make a point (or to gather forces to agree with you), it doesn't change the fact that what we do in terms of dead people is for the living's benefit, not the dead person's.

It is what it is.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
Also Dude, do you think it's okay to just leave our deceased soldiers in Iraq or bring them home for proper burials? I don't think we need to take a vote here to see who disagrees with your outlook and your "dead is dead" theory.

And one more thing. Animals aren't "beings". Humans are. Thank You, from the very bottom of my heart Thank You

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

For your sake, I certainly hope you change your outlook on things before you, or someone you love, passes away. That's just about the most arrogant selfish thing I've ever heard in my life and I've been reading these CTV forums for SEVERAL years. Aren't you the dude that thinks Scott Peterson was wrongly accused? If so, I'll allow you just a bit of "misunderstanding of reality", but please, GMAB, you need to get into church somewhere. And quick. Maybe douse yourself with Holy Water on the way if your church is more than a few miles away. Honestly, think about what you just said when a member of your family dies. I doubt you'd be making your "Dead is Dead" speech at any family gathering. Somehow, I can't picture you convincing everyone that Grandma would be better off thrown off Niagra Falls in a Hefty bag than buried in the family plot. Once again, GMAB. You are WAY off base on this one. WAY off.

My views on death are because of people close to me that have died, and for cheating death a few times myself.

I would rather walk hot coals than walk into one of those hypocritcal churches. My relationship with Jehovah is very strong. And very personal.

Grandma doesn't care where she's buried. She's dead. She's not "thinking" or "feeling" anything.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Grandma doesn't care where she's buried. She's dead. She's not "thinking" or "feeling" anything.

You need to get to church. And quick.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


LMAO... animals aren't "beings"? (Pssstt... anything living, is a being)



Animal: noun A living organism; beast; creature; mammal; critter; pet.

Being: noun Entity; creature; person; human; soul; spirit.

:chicken: <------ animal, thing, creature, chicken

:) <------ animated smiley face depicting a human being

[mooloo]

Exactly, Ippy. Your word is good. If the pics are THAT important LE or GBI will ask for them, NOT someone on a chatboard.

IMOO

Originally posted by simply quiet


Hi Ippy

Be careful what and how you send anything out. I don't know why anyone HAS to see the date stamp, your word is good enough for me.

:seeya:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


You need to get to church. And quick.

And if you believe in religion based on the bible, you need to read it quick.

Your lack of knowledge concerning God's plan is obvious.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


And if you believe in religion based on the bible, you need to read it quick.

Your lack of knowledge concerning God's plan is obvious.


God's plan does not include "dead is dead". I suspect you may be of the Jehovah's Witness belief (your choice, but my right to talk you out of it) since they believe "dead is dead" and there is no hell.

Aside from casting stones all day, I'd like to encourage you to read an interesting book called "23 Minutes in Hell" (not to be confused with 23 minutes in this forum). Author: Bill Wiese.

Couldn't hurt, and it might help you see...that dead ain't dead.
:read:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe



God's plan does not include "dead is dead". I suspect you may be of the Jehovah's Witness belief (your choice, but my right to talk you out of it) since they believe "dead is dead" and there is no hell.

Aside from casting stones all day, I'd like to encourage you to read an interesting book called "23 Minutes in Hell" (not to be confused with 23 minutes in this forum). Author: Bill Wiese.

Couldn't hurt, and it might help you see...that dead ain't dead.
:read:

LMAO

You have another bible I don't know about?

Ecclesiastes

9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

[simply quiet]

As a means to get this thread back on topic. I have to assume that the 2 crime scene trucks that were seen at the "former" tara center could really have had nothing to do with Tara.

At least that is my opinion. I know we asked if there was any kind of police blotter type info posted in your local paper, and so far I have not seen an answer to that.

I could be wrong :shrug:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by simply quiet
As a means to get this thread back on topic. I have to assume that the 2 crime scene trucks that were seen at the "former" tara center could really have had nothing to do with Tara.

At least that is my opinion. I know we asked if there was any kind of police blotter type info posted in your local paper, and so far I have not seen an answer to that.

I could be wrong :shrug:


Thank you.

I apologize for my redirect.

I personally don't think they would put anything on a public blotter concerning the GBI's visit.

If anything the blotter would probably say "out of area law enforcement requesting assistance" or something like that.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


A dog and a lion are both animals, not human beings. Dolly is a dog, Tara is a human being.

The living know they shall die, but do not expect to be murdered. Thou shalt not kill is one of God's commandments.

WTH does an expectation of being murdered have to do with the dead feeling, thinking or being more important than a living being?

Come on Paula... you just came out of left field with something totally unrelated to the argument at hand.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mannequin

Those pictures weren't important at all come to find out because this poster was mistaken on the day the dog got taken but how many times must we go over this? And child I don't mean to be rude but I haven't laughed all day until I read this about the gbi wanting those cell phone photos from a drive by curious person. Still don't know why they drove by so many times though. Seems so weird to do that. Nobody needs or wants those photos that I could think of. We've all just had a good laugh about it today wondering why.

I am curious, just how many times did you see her drive by? Was it from behind a curtain or through binocs.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


WTH does an expectation of being murdered have to do with the dead feeling, thinking or being more important than a living being?

Come on Paula... you just came out of left field with something totally unrelated to the argument at hand.
I don't think Paula came out of left field at all. It looks to me like you are actually stating that talking about this young lady's DOG (and its well being) is MORE IMPORTANT than looking for Tara, if indeed Tara is dead.

Clarify for us. Is that what you meant to say??? Because if it is, then I suspect many more people to drop in from left field this evening.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

I don't think Paula came out of left field at all. It looks to me like you are actually stating that talking about this young lady's DOG (and its well being) is MORE IMPORTANT than looking for Tara, if indeed Tara is dead.

Clarify for us. Is that what you meant to say??? Because if it is, then I suspect many more people to drop in from left field this evening.

Nope. I never said taking care of the dog is more important than looking for Tara.

What I initially commented on was the fact someone couldn't comprehend why people are concerned over the dog because Tara was missing. In other words, they commented in a doomsday fashion basically saying it was thoughtless to care about a dog while Tara was missing.

And then it was followed up about being here "for Tara". No. It's a lie to tell yourself that you're here "for Tara" if you believe she is dead.

Now, if someone says they're here "for Tara's family", totally legitimate and understandable. Because it is their emotional needs that need tending to, if Tara is dead. Not Tara's. She has no emotional needs while dead.

But an expectation of being murdered has absolutely no bearing on whether someone feels or thinks while dead. (I guess the argument could be that if Tara saw it coming before she was dead, then she did expect to be murdered. She watched it happen. Which in turn would render the whole argument moot from the standpoint of expectations of how we're going to die and whether it relates to any of us having feelings or thoughts in death.)

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Nope. I never said taking care of the dog is more important than looking for Tara.

What I initially commented on was the fact someone couldn't comprehend why people are concerned over the dog because Tara was missing. In other words, they commented in a doomsday fashion basically saying it was thoughtless to care about a dog while Tara was missing.

And then it was followed up about being here "for Tara". No. It's a lie to tell yourself that you're here "for Tara" if you believe she is dead.

Now, if someone says they're here "for Tara's family", totally legitimate and understandable. Because it is their emotional needs that need tending to, if Tara is dead. Not Tara's. She has no emotional needs while dead.

But an expectation of being murdered has absolutely no bearing on whether someone feels or thinks while dead. (I guess the argument could be that if Tara saw it coming before she was dead, then she did expect to be murdered. She watched it happen. Which in turn would render the whole argument moot from the standpoint of expectations of how we're going to die and whether it relates to any of us having feelings or thoughts in death.) BFD WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF? You owe them NOTHING. You are wasting your time and it is falling on deaf ears. They are trying to derail this subject for some reason. Please don't let them.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mannequin


Neither one. Read up above so you can see she said in her own words how many times she drove by. Ya'll said this poster's "word is good enough" so here it is:

ipswitch
Member

Registered: Dec 2005
Location:
Posts: 36
I drove by the house Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.

I took 2 pictures of the house and yard on Monday, and Dolly was nowhere to be seen.

On Tuesday afternoon, I drove by and took more pictures, including the picture of Dolly.

The exact time of the picture was 3:32 pm EDT on Tuesday July 18th, if that's what you wanted to know.


Thank you.

For crying out loud, you made it sound like she was riding up and down and up an down, back and forth back and forth all in one day.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
BFD WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF? You owe them NOTHING. You are wasting your time and it is falling on deaf ears. They are trying to derail this subject for some reason. Please don't let them.

The topic being discussed was brought about by this poster BFDs observation that "dead is dead" and that a dog was more important than a human. I have a right to disagree with that, and I do. If you don't want to discuss it, don't.

[Aussie]

BFD,
Some people just can't live facing reality.
How many times do we hear people say that it is not the person that is dead, but those left behind that suffer?
It is the truth.
Praying for a dead person is a pointless exercise. Their time has run out. Praying for the people having trouble living with the loss is a good idea. They are the ones that need help.
Finding the body brings a certain closure to the family as the "What ifs" disappear if one is found. They still have the pain, but the uncertainty is gone. It is important to find the body for that reason.
I for one have never put For Tara at the bottom of my posts, because like you say it is not for Tara.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


The topic being discussed was brought about by this poster BFDs observation that "dead is dead" and that a dog was more important than a human. I have a right to disagree with that, and I do. If you don't want to discuss it, don't. UMMM ok, go back and read a bit. Maybe you don't understand what BFD was saying, but most here do, but I see you have managed to twist it all around to suit your purpose. Whatever you feel your calling is, it would be better spent on someone/some other forum where the subject at hand is religion. That is not here on this forum.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Broadway Joe take your religious fluff back over to fluffyland where you came from. This topic is being derailed and it is really ridiculous that you come on here thumpin your bible as you judge others for their beliefs. Step down off your pedestal and get over yourself. Whatever your beliefs are does not change the fact that dolly sat in a yard for 9 months without any human companionship and she deserves better then that as does Herman. If you want to compare animal and being, go talk to your pals because so far all I can see is animal like behavior over there, discussing running people/animals over with vehicles. How dare any one of you quote the bible with your forked tongues. GMAB If something has happened to Tara, the justice desired if for those who remain among the living. Taras wants and desires would no longer be a part of the equation. If as I suspect she is alive, then the arguement being had right now is all a moot point. Now let's keep on topic here and drop the religious holy roller nonsense.
Excuse me? Once again, I did not BEGIN this topic. Someone ELSE did. I was just responding, which I have a right to do. If you think the Bible is "fluff" then perhaps we need to start a prayer chain for you as well. GMAB please, I did nothing to provoke you and have never run over any animals (or people for that matter) with a truck. Where the HECK did that come from?? Talk about coming out of left field? LOL

BTW, if you'll take a moment to pry yourself from this thread, you'll see I have a very important (and yet UNANSWERED) question on the other thread about a spokesman for the family. It seems people are more intrigued with less important things these days than finding Tara Grinstead. That is so hard to understand. So very hard.

In short, back off. I did nothing to provoke you and this discussion had nothing to do with you. Thank you.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Excuse me? Once again, I did not BEGIN this topic. Someone ELSE did. I was just responding, which I have a right to do. If you think the Bible is "fluff" then perhaps we need to start a prayer chain for you as well. GMAB please, I did nothing to provoke you and have never run over any animals (or people for that matter) with a truck. Where the HECK did that come from?? Talk about coming out of left field? LOL

BTW, if you'll take a moment to pry yourself from this thread, you'll see I have a very important (and yet UNANSWERED) question on the other thread about a spokesman for the family. It seems people are more intrigued with less important things these days than finding Tara Grinstead. That is so hard to understand. So very hard.

In short, back off. I did nothing to provoke you and this discussion had nothing to do with you. Thank you. In short, this topic is not titled religion, please remove the religious discussion or start another thread titled RELIGION for those who care to banter with an uninformed, hypocritical individual such as yourself. Talk about left field, take a gander at your posts. :rolleyes:

[mooloo]

Far be it from me to ruin your one laugh of the day..must be a bad day?...but I never said LE or GBI wanted the pics, I said IF they wanted them, they certainly wouldn't ask for them on a chatboard.

Originally posted by Mannequin

Those pictures weren't important at all come to find out because this poster was mistaken on the day the dog got taken but how many times must we go over this? And child I don't mean to be rude but I haven't laughed all day until I read this about the gbi wanting those cell phone photos from a drive by curious person. Still don't know why they drove by so many times though. Seems so weird to do that. Nobody needs or wants those photos that I could think of. We've all just had a good laugh about it today wondering why.

[ipswitch]

Short and sweet, the reason I drove by so many times is because that's how I cut thru town to go see my father in law from where I was staying.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by gacountry
Thank You, from the very bottom of my heart Thank You

So I know you read this board , can I remind you that you were going to mention to Tara's family about getting help from the Carol Sund Foundation.....whatever happened to that?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


Sorry to disappoint you, but I usually DO land on my feet. BFD began the "dead is dead" topic, not I....

And whether he likes it or not, I'm still going to pray for him. I suspect he needs a divine intervention of some sort.
:)

My last comment regarding you praying for me.

Please don't. I don't want to be connected in any manner, shape or form with your disrespect for the sanctity of prayer and what it's intended for. Praying to God to ask me to change my way of thinking to yours is downright disgusting. What in the world makes you think you're equal to God in knowing what is good for me?

So far as having to tell me that you're praying for me is another matter altogether. It's one of trying to play moral superiority to legitimize your argument in your mind.

It is also repugnant that you must tell anyone. A true christian wouldn't have to tell anyone they're going to pray for them. They'll just do it with humility in a private setting.

Sincerity is the quickest way to respect. You are one of the most insincere people I've run across in a long time. (Though I suspect you were elected among the group to "take me on".) You've failed. Miserably.

[concernedperson]

I am not praying for any posters on this thread. We all do just fine and one's religion or not is none of my business. But, we do have a right to state an opinion.And, unnecessary diversion is the biggest concern I have. Why?

It all boils down to that fact. No matter what is posted a diversion is created. The threads end up in hinterland.

It does matter how someone/ animal is treated. It represents much in psychiatry. It does matter that GBI had a huge presence in Ocilla last week. It matters that phone numbers have a way to private sources instead of LE.

Everything matters. Again, contact Kent Wilson, Deputy Director for Investigations, GBI. 3121 Panthersville Rd., Decatur, Ga. 30037-0808.

I will quote in part a letter sent to me "Please be advised that GBI isvigorously pursuing any and all leads in this investigation just as we do in all such cases.Please be aware that many of the investigative acts in an ongoing criminal investigaton cannot be publicly disclosed without jeopardizing the investigation"

This letter is dated April 25, 2006.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Results


Are they saying it is not a missing person case but actually a criminal case?

That is the letter I received. I forwarded it to Godwin and he said they were blowing smoke up my butt. You decide. I can fax to anyone who wants to read it in the morning.I need to take my personal info off before. But it is a GBI logo. On the letterhead and the envelope and I did contact the Governor about this case so they referenced it. I believe it to be real and true.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by simply quiet


So I know you read this board , can I remind you that you were going to mention to Tara's family about getting help from the Carol Sund Foundation.....whatever happened to that?

I have thought back and looked back and I cannot find where I said I would talk to the family. I am sure you will pop up a link but I only find where I said I was speaking for myself not with the concent of the family about media. I have seen the family in the past week or so but this did not come to mind.

I do read and yes I do post ocassionally, a lot is going on at this time and I really think family has about all they have time to do at the present.
I appreciate your concern and I feel the family as well as LE knows what goes on with this board.

If I lead you to believe the ball was in my court to contact family, I am sorry and I appreciate your concern. I thougt there was a tread about this on this board but as with most threads it seems to be "Gone With The Wind".

Gacountry

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'd say so, since they refer to "criminal investigation", not "missing person's" case.

IMO Not necessarily, it sounds like a standard response from LE who is doing an investigation. Please feel free to call them and ask them. I think to take those words and assume they are looking for a criminal because it is not a missing persons case is twisting what they have said. CLEARLY, they have said as recently as a week ago that it is still considered a MISSING persons case and have no evidence of foul play. Please see the article written by Seamus as confirmation of this statement by John Bankhead.

[concernedperson]

Actually, it is on track. I will be glad to send my info over. But, I think when any hard facts are presented it goes back to protective mode.

When you say family, GaCountry, are you speaking for Tara's parents or are you speaking for Tara's sister?

This makes a difference in presentation.

Please, I am not privy to GBI's investigation but my own experience is not good. So, I have lots of questions and I am sure this will be addressed in a cursory way if at all.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone



THIS POST IS OVER THE TOP in BAD TASTE in my opinion.

1. There are many who act out of respect, love, or devotion to someone who has passed away. That is a reality - have you really NEVER known anyone who did that? I think there is a concerted effort to try and make those who do have a heart and mind to care question whether it is an act of kindness or some twisted perverted self centered desire at play. Another area we need to be STOIC and STRONG, imo.

With that said, IF TARA is found deceased AND her death ruled HOMOCIDE,
I hope and pray the WHOLE TOWN shows up at that trial "FOR TARA" - she can't be there and all too often the trial phase in our Country ignores the VICTIM.

Just MOO. of course.:seeya: All the things you describe are YOUR feelings, something YOU do to make YOURSELF feel better not something that a deceased person could request or desire. Their "feelings" are no longer in the equation. Each action you take is your own. A trial would not be FOR TARA, it would be to see revenge exacted on the person whom is assumed to be responsible for such an action. When you speak of Tara as if she would rain down from the heavens requesting that punishment be given, you are not being realistic. God nor anbody that has passed on, requests/requires nor seeks earthly justice, the living human beings walking this earth do. If it makes you feel better to put it on Tara or anybody else, then so be it.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone



THIS POST IS OVER THE TOP in BAD TASTE in my opinion.

1. There are many who act out of respect, love, or devotion to someone who has passed away. That is a reality - have you really NEVER known anyone who did that? I think there is a concerted effort to try and make those who do have a heart and mind to care question whether it is an act of kindness or some twisted perverted self centered desire at play. Another area we need to be STOIC and STRONG, imo.

With that said, IF TARA is found deceased AND her death ruled HOMOCIDE,
I hope and pray the WHOLE TOWN shows up at that trial "FOR TARA" - she can't be there and all too often the trial phase in our Country ignores the VICTIM.

Just MOO. of course.:seeya:

I've never claimed to be a tasteful person. In fact, I strive to not be "tasteful", because that would mean I've fallen prey to the politically correct BS that has become a harbinger of the downfall of society because we're too darn afraid to be honest any longer.

If I don't make someone think long and hard at least once a day, I've failed at my task.

But the truth of the matter is that you would be there because of your emotional needs. Justify it in whatever manner you'd like. You are your world. Everything revolves around you and your inner self. How you perceive things... how you interact/react. It's all dependent upon you and your belief system. (And I'm not necessarily talking a religious belief system. I'm talking about the belief system everyone builds up around them that shapes their personality and interactions.)

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I've never claimed to be a tasteful person. In fact, I strive to not be "tasteful", because that would mean I've fallen prey to the politically correct BS that has become a harbinger of the downfall of society because we're too darn afraid to be honest any longer.

If I don't make someone think long and hard at least once a day, I've failed at my task.


I just spent 2 hours with a lady in a web based chat. She asked me after awhile why I was angry. I asked her why I would be angry and not to confuse blunt, straight talk with anger. I then asked her to point out anywhere I said I was upset about any of the prior subjects we'd discussed.

She couldn't. She is the type to sugar coat, use flowery, floatly words or to feel everyone should think the same way she does. I'm sorry, I'm not that way. I call things the way I see them, but rarely get upset or angry at anyone. I truly love almost everyone I meet online or in real life.

I have a feeling BFD talks a lot like I do. I saw nothing in what he said that offended, shocked, or I felt was over the line. It was clear and concise, straight to the point. He talks like an old detective buddy of mine and my cousin, who is a retired Sheriff.

Speaking as the widow of my 1st husband, I really didn't care who showed up at the perp's trial. I just wanted to see the guy rot. That didn't happen, he did 5 yrs for 2nd degree murder. The pain never really goes away, words are nice, but they didn't put a dent in my pain. A shoulder to cry on and a hug were much better for me. Still are, each year on the anniversary of his death.

If any of the locals could pass on a hug to Tara's mom for me, it would be appreciated. Tell her another momma is thinking of her at this terrible time in her life. Thank you.

[luvmy2labpups]

I wanted to address the searches that have been taking place.

I was told that in a recent search with ag & lg, one of the "message board" posters that assisted, was injured and had to be taken to the hospital.

A word of caution to you and your family members, by allowing a search by those who are not properly trained you open yourselves up to a liability, one that is not necessary. I know many of you have been extremely giving of yourselves, your time and have allowed this group to march all over town in an effort to be helpful, however, you should consider the dangers that come along with allowing untrained individuals on your property.

If I might make a suggestion, if someone approaches your land/property and requests to do a search, please contact LE and inform the "searchers" that LE is welcome to do a search. This way, you are still being helpful, but making sure that the appropriate, trained individuals are the ones doing the searching.

Please be cautious. :patriot:

[TuscanDreams]

I'd like to add that in many searches for missing people, the abductor is in there with LE, looking for their victim. They want to stay close to the crime to find out what the police know.

My thoughts on searches are that they are well meaning by awesome people. The problem is that with the chain of evidence, potentially disturbing a crime scene, etc, that searchers need to be trained. The training can be a day or an hour, so long as someone tells them how to search.

[mooloo]

AND LE goes onto any private land with them--whether they are trained or not---, to protect the landowner.

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
I'd like to add that in many searches for missing people, the abductor is in there with LE, looking for their victim. They want to stay close to the crime to find out what the police know.

My thoughts on searches are that they are well meaning by awesome people. The problem is that with the chain of evidence, potentially disturbing a crime scene, etc, that searchers need to be trained. The training can be a day or an hour, so long as someone tells them how to search.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by mooloo
AND LE goes onto any private land with them--whether they are trained or not---, to protect the landowner.

In this situation, LE is the best way to handle the "searchers". I say Ocillians should contact LE if they are approached, and let the searchers know LE is welcome to search.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
I wanted to address the searches that have been taking place.

I was told that in a recent search with ag & lg, one of the "message board" posters that assisted, was injured and had to be taken to the hospital.

A word of caution to you and your family members, by allowing a search by those who are not properly trained you open yourselves up to a liability, one that is not necessary. I know many of you have been extremely giving of yourselves, your time and have allowed this group to march all over town in an effort to be helpful, however, you should consider the dangers that come along with allowing untrained individuals on your property.

If I might make a suggestion, if someone approaches your land/property and requests to do a search, please contact LE and inform the "searchers" that LE is welcome to do a search. This way, you are still being helpful, but making sure that the appropriate, trained individuals are the ones doing the searching.

Please be cautious. :patriot:

Excellent post and one everyone should be aware of. Thanks!

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
I'd like to add that in many searches for missing people, the abductor is in there with LE, looking for their victim. They want to stay close to the crime to find out what the police know.

My thoughts on searches are that they are well meaning by awesome people. The problem is that with the chain of evidence, potentially disturbing a crime scene, etc, that searchers need to be trained. The training can be a day or an hour, so long as someone tells them how to search.

Interesting post Tuscan, especially the first paragraph.

[concernedperson]

I guess we have to expect it but jeez where are these nuts coming from? You can't expect to search private property without real reason to be there.It cannot just jump out of a notion without basis. It can't come from someone who has no basis in reality other than their reality.

At this point I don't believe GBI is non-existant or unaware I think they are LTAO at this point and, frankly, I am as well.

[Rick Karon]

Who cares who searches where if they find something as long as they call LE when they find it.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Rick Karon
Who cares who searches where if they find something as long as they call LE when they find it.

It matters more that LE is part of it. Chain of evidence that applies in court.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Rick Karon
Who cares who searches where if they find something as long as they call LE when they find it.

LMAO.....this is turning to absurd.

Look out your window right now, pretend you see people looking in your yard.....you have no idea who these people are, what would you do? Please be very very honest.

It's 9 months since Tara left, there are no "official" searches going on. A perfect stranger is in your yard. You are just going to go about your business?

I don't think so.

Oh and Frazier........this goes for you also.

[Rick Karon]

SQ. I meant with permision. Sorry. Luvs post sounded like only LE could search anything to me maybe I read it wrong.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Absolutely!

Since LE has halted their searches, what choice does the family, and those who want to "find" Tara have, but to conduct the searches themselves?

I commend, and have the utmost respect, for all the caring searchers who volunteer their time and give of themselves to help find Tara. I hope and pray their efforts prove successful.

May God bless each and every one of them.

Paula......why are they not asking police to search?

They should go to police first, at this point in time. Perfect strangers can't walk willy nilly on private property. Would you let a stranger do that to your yard?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Rick Karon
SQ. I meant with permision. Sorry. Luvs post sounded like only LE could search anything to me maybe I read it wrong.

Rick I am under the impression there was no permission requested or granted.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


It was my understanding that LE has stopped searching.

Quite honestly, SQ, yes, I would gladly let them search my property. I have nothing to hide, and would welcome my property being among those in the process of elimination, giving the family the feeling of having made some headway.

Paula darlin....these landowners having nothing to hide either. Here is the problem.

This is not an "official" search, there are no law enforcement people with them. They don't even ask permission, and BOOM......Paula they found a piece of Tara's something or other on your land. Guess what? Now you are a target.

Or.....some sleuths figure out how to scope out a piece of property...lets tell the owners we are looking for Tara......guess what happens next?

That's all I am saying.

Better not show up here, that's all I can say.

Goodnight all.

CTV is really lagging for me tonight If my posts seem 15 min behind the news.sorry

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


But what is the family to do if LE no longer wants to search, or accompany them on their searches?

It's a problem, I admit. But if Tara was my loved one, I don't think I would stop looking for her either.

I agree with you about this board. I don't feel very comfortable posting here either. There are always a few posters on each board who make posting an unpleasant experience.

Goodnite, SQ!

Just a PS here

I know first hand the frustrations of a family of a missing person and the road blocks that go up from the case of Maura Murray.

Her case got deleted here from CTV....but a lot of her family are local to me and I have been able to follow it.

Its heart breaking.

Now I am really going....nite Paula and all. :seeya:

[mooloo]

Property owners have a lot of liability when strangers just wander around the land. What if....one of them climbs a fence, falls and breaks a leg or a back? What if.....one of them falls into an old, abandoned well? There are people just looking for an excuse to file a lawsuit and there are far too many attorneys (Call 1-800- ToGetPaid). I don't blame anyone for refusing strangers who want to search without an LE escort. They can tell LE why they want to search, if LE thinks it is reasonable and will accompany them, fine. Otherwise, nimby.

Originally posted by Mannequin

simply q's post sounds like the searchers go in and dig up peoples front yards or their driveway but thats not how it is they are looking in ponds and areas like that do not affect a persons "yard". But sure I admit if a stranger was n my front yard I would ask them why but I do know they had permission from landowners for the last search and then someone told them something different later on to stop the search. If LE wont help then its up to the family and friends and interfering from others like that seems like they have something to hide. I would let them search my land if I was on that other end like that. If they dont have nothing to hide then let them search.

[IBC]

Originally posted by simply quiet Paula......why are they not asking police to search?

Although I'm not Paula, I think I can answer this. Police searches cost money. Ocilla is a small town. They just don't have the resources to continue an extended search.

By not allowing a search, I don't think landowners are protecting a POI; it's a case of the land owner protecting him/herself.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mannequin

simply q's post sounds like the searchers go in and dig up peoples front yards or their driveway but thats not how it is they are looking in ponds and areas like that do not affect a persons "yard". But sure I admit if a stranger was n my front yard I would ask them why but I do know they had permission from landowners for the last search and then someone told them something different later on to stop the search. If LE wont help then its up to the family and friends and interfering from others like that seems like they have something to hide. I would let them search my land if I was on that other end like that. If they dont have nothing to hide then let them search. The bottom line is that someone in that group of searchers was recently injured and had to be taken to the hospital, correct? It is a liability to a property owner regardless of how anybody feels. I was given grief because I suggested that Ocillians contact LE if the searchers approached them to do a search and to tell the searchers that LE is welcome to do a search. I don't understand why ANYBODY would take issue with going through the proper channels. I was told that the citizens of Ocilla should get up off there "a****" and help, that the sheriff refused to help, etc. Many of you read that post. I DON'T believe that the LE is refusing to help. LE was quoted as saying if they got a tip that required a search they would do a search. I believe they would follow through with that. If there is a reason to search, contact LAW ENFORCEMENT and have the appropriate/trained individuals do a search. WHY would anybody have a problem with that? Is it because they want to be free to search when and where they please in whatever method they please, without the presence of LE?

I will again state my position it is in the best interests of the land owners that if a "searcher" approaches you and requests to do a search, contact LE and inform the searchers that LE is welcome to do a search.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
There is a possibility that these people would plant evidence too. Someone was once told to go to Marcus Harpers house and pretend to be a salesman and get a "soil sample" from his yard. There is a danger in allowing these people to run wild on your land especially if you are in the area they think is suspicious based on Carla Baron and John Olivers "psychic" thoughts. The search crew is not God and cannot play God no matter how bad they want to. If they dont want Local LE and GBI to know what they are doing ask yourself WHY NOT? Remember the lingerie supposedly found? Picked it up and gave it to LE. Tainted evidence. See how these private searches are filled with problems? Nevermind the liability issues. It is not right period. WOW, I never heard about the salesman thing. Can ya pm me and tell me who told this person to do that? That is crazy. Well if this is the type of thing that is going on, that is all the more reason for Ocillians to contact LE and for the citizens to tell the searchers that LE is welcome to search.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
There is a possibility that these people would plant evidence too. Someone was once told to go to Marcus Harpers house and pretend to be a salesman and get a "soil sample" from his yard. There is a danger in allowing these people to run wild on your land especially if you are in the area they think is suspicious based on Carla Baron and John Olivers "psychic" thoughts. The search crew is not God and cannot play God no matter how bad they want to. If they dont want Local LE and GBI to know what they are doing ask yourself WHY NOT? Remember the lingerie supposedly found? Picked it up and gave it to LE. Tainted evidence. See how these private searches are filled with problems? Nevermind the liability issues. It is not right period.

_________________________________

Indian~~~I remember the night and the chat room that was posted and it was a done in a joking mood with this poster that gave you this info joining in the fun. Why give that now as FACT when it was FOLLY?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by gacountry
Indian~~~I remember the night and the chat room that was posted and it was a done in a joking mood with this poster that gave you this info joining in the fun. Why give that now as FACT when it was FOLLY? So who was it that thought it was funny, funny to joke about someone pretending to be a saleman with MH's house and collecting soil samples? Because, really that is not a funny matter at all. I sincerely, hope YOU don't think it is funny to joke about something of that nature.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by Results


You should be ashamed of yourself. Joking about running over someone with their vehicle back and forth and hoping to crush the mouth so it can never open again. That is sick mame, that is indeed sick. You preach all you want to but don't come in here and act like you are innocent because mame you are not. JMHO


GO back to the Carla Baron site, look over all my post Never have I joked about that I have nothing large enough to run anyone over with! I have had problems with Lappup since the first night but I found the Ignore button and life is good.

Now the post I was answering to is fact and if you ask the guy that gave you this info I think he is man enough to tell you in was in jest.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Results


You should be ashamed of yourself. Joking about running over someone with their vehicle back and forth and hoping to crush the mouth so it can never open again. That is sick mame, that is indeed sick. You preach all you want to but don't come in here and act like you are innocent because mame you are not. JMHO Results, it is all a game to them, they find it funny to discuss running people and animals over, funny to joke about suicide, funny to joke about impersonating and illegally obtaining soil samples, funny to joke about trying to seek the identity of others, funny to threaten others, funny to accuse everyone and their brother of being a perp, funny to pray while making fun of others. It is one big JOKE to all of them. If there was an ounce of human decency in any of them, they would have stated to the others that it is inapropriate to behave in that manner. However, they feed off of one another and carry on as if those types of things are just fine to discuss. In all of GAC's rantings I have yet to see her do anything other then making excuses. Such as the post above, making light of someone who jokes about "pretending to be a salesman for purposes of obtaining soil samples". I don't know, maybe it's just me but I don't find any of it funny.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by Results


Now now gacounty don't play that with me as you well know that Results is deleted from the CB site and remember what I was deleted for??????????? How I wish I could go back to the site since your Admin took down my post yet allowed other members to copy and respond to my post and trust me I am looking into that so you can sure tell them I got their number. That is a FACT. The sad part about this case is we may never know because of the behaviour of some individuals. For your other part of your post ...joking or not you are talking about a man that has not been arrested or named as a POI. Is it ok to ruin just one man's reputation as well as the LE/GBI to make MH guilty???? I don't think you would think it was funny if it was your son or your husband that you are jokingly implying that they murdered someone. Would you???? After all it was only done in fun. What part of this case is fun mame??????


You have totally lost me ~~~I answered your post where YOU said someone was asked to go to the door as a salesman and then get a soil sample~~I responded with FACT I was on that chat room the night this went on, and yes we were having a light moment with it. This was ages ago when you could brainstorm and have opinions. I do not know what ruffled your feathers so about my response. But I was there when it happened were you? I have not disrespeced any of you in the way you have me, but thats fine, I look in my eyes everyday. I am not accusing anyone of doing anything to Tara, because I do not know what happened, it has been a very long time since I have given my opinion of this case to anyone. But it is sad that everyone want all searches, all efforts to stop for Tara. I can't do that I will support anyone that wants to keep Tara's case alive, and I will do all I can toward this. But each to his own, and my the way Results when you start taking up for me on the boards I promish I will contact Carla personally for you. I just have learned to let the hens cackle and the roosters crow, it all amounts to about the same thing.

[kebo]

Originally posted by Results


That is why the case is crazy. Boards are divided...Towns are divided.....over if MH did it or not??????? You either have to believe MH did it or you are not allowed to have a conversation on other message boards. What is up with that? I hope she is alive and if she isn't and met with foul play then I have my theory of what happened and who did it. Do I say no that didn't happen or attack anyone that doesn't believe what my theory is..heck no. I don't try to sway anyone to believe what I believe. I have tried to respect everyone as I want to be respected. Sometimes I have a bad day and say things I shouldn't but the Admin of this board takes care of that post and puts me back into stop this madness.

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You................My sentiments EXACTLY!! :beer: