Ocillians & Local News

[McKenna]

I see a good bit about TG but then I see junk in the form of baiting and useless info from posters like you. Crap like, "I saw two fat people that might've been from Irwin at the GBI HQ in Perry....they were there months ago, I couldn't really say when, but I did just happen to notice they were crying and was able to read their truck tag. Of course I know no one on TG's board would be interested" etc, ad nauseum .......

I got a suggestion for you. Why don't you the investigator tactics you learned from that K-Mart correspondence course somewhere else where they'd be appreciated?

I know I'd be grateful.

ALLMO,
R

Why embellish the statement R? I never said both people were crying. Only the woman. I was asked to describe who was with her, and it was a heavy set man. I never said "fat". How did "fat people crying" come into this? This is a nice example of how things are blown out of proportion and then discounted by the masses when it is something no one has heard before. Honestly, I could care LESS what you believe, or don't believe for that matter. I had no reason to take a tag number (I'm not the stalker type) and just observed this in passing, A FEW MONTHS AGO, whether you like it or not, shove it up your ***** R. LOL...I really don't care.
:rolleyes:

[minga]

Why embellish the statement R? I never said both people were crying. Only the woman. I was asked to describe who was with her, and it was a heavy set man. I never said "fat". How did "fat people crying" come into this? This is a nice example of how things are blown out of proportion and then discounted by the masses when it is something no one has heard before. Honestly, I could care LESS what you believe, or don't believe for that matter. I had no reason to take a tag number (I'm not the stalker type) and just observed this in passing, A FEW MONTHS AGO, whether you like it or not, shove it up your ***** R. LOL...I really don't care.

:rolleyes:

Honestly, I could care LESS what you believe, or don't believe for that matter. I had no reason to take a tag number (I'm not the stalker type) and just observed this in passing, A FEW MONTHS AGO, whether you like it or not, shove it up your ***** R. LOL...I really don't care.


Yeah, so you reply to it. Ummm hmmm. Yep, you don't care. :D

CP, get a CLUE. Take Mckenna and stuff a sock in her mouth. Better yet, retire her or take her away. This has already passed. It's BS, nobody cares, nobody believes it. It has nothing to do with the case, it has nothing to do with Tara. And if you aren't CP then you are NM and still nobody cares.

You are starting the crap again like you did with your truce BS and that turned ugly. It won't work.

There's no need to get ugly either. If you want to start getting sick here too then you'll wind up as you have on other forums....banned or without a forum because of your buddies and your attitudes.

Quit already.

[SaraSidle]

I think you are most likely correct. I don't question that AG and HD talked (a lot) but why would they discuss why he left the card in the door unless they discussed how to present it to the public. That I wouldn't doubt but leaving it for the next person to see makes zero sense to me. I believe there is enough solid information to say that he did leave the card. To me it is clear AG did not want anything about HD to come out.

I think it was not unusual for Tara to miss going to church with FG. The way I understood FG's interview was if Tara had to study and had a busy weekend she normally would not go. FG also said she did not begin to get worried until late that afternoon when Tara had not returned her calls. IIRC I was told she had only one recorded message left to Tara but sometimes my memory is wrong. Someone also made the suggestion about MHu and FG looking for Tara when the call came that she was missing was they could have been making phone calls and not actually out physically looking in the Hawkinsville area..which makes sense.
I'm of the opinion that FG had not confirmed anything with Tara about her coming Sunday and she made a call to Tara sometime Sunday that was a normal thing as time passed and Tara had not contacted her she started to wonder but not worry...Tara was a big girl and had a busy life. I think when FG talked to HD at 12:30 am Monday morning and Tara was not home she really really got concerned and called the P's. I don't know what it is but there is a piece missing to these middle of the night phone calls because it makes no sense for FG to speak with HD while he is at her house and she hangs up and calls the neighbors to ask if Tara's car was home and if things looked normal. The only conclusion I can come up with is HD did not tell her where he was but that's just my thinking. What I cannot understand is why they have been so secretive about HD when in the end it created a lot of suspicion on HD. A crazy case. fep

This whole scenario is so confusing to me fep. You make excellent points. IMO

[Atok]

Why embellish the statement R? I never said both people were crying. Only the woman. I was asked to describe who was with her, and it was a heavy set man. I never said "fat". How did "fat people crying" come into this? This is a nice example of how things are blown out of proportion and then discounted by the masses when it is something no one has heard before. Honestly, I could care LESS what you believe, or don't believe for that matter. I had no reason to take a tag number (I'm not the stalker type) and just observed this in passing, A FEW MONTHS AGO, whether you like it or not, shove it up your ***** R. LOL...I really don't care.
:rolleyes:

This comes back up when the conversation has moved on? The fact that the conversation had turned to more salient, direct and important observations regarding what was happening with HD seems to be the reason for a return derailment. Always does that. What a coincidence.

If I saw a person crying at the station a few months ago, why would I find it relevant to Tara's case?

I SEE NO CONNECTION to a crying person who has Irwin plates and this two year old mystery. More info would help, but you don't have anything more credible or useful to add, you've been asked.

Now you are just interrupting useful and productive dialogue. :cuss:

[McKenna]

Honestly, I could care LESS what you believe, or don't believe for that matter. I had no reason to take a tag number (I'm not the stalker type) and just observed this in passing, A FEW MONTHS AGO, whether you like it or not, shove it up your ***** R. LOL...I really don't care.


Yeah, so you reply to it. Ummm hmmm. Yep, you don't care. :D

CP, get a CLUE. Take Mckenna and stuff a sock in her mouth. Better yet, retire her or take her away. This has already passed. It's BS, nobody cares, nobody believes it. It has nothing to do with the case, it has nothing to do with Tara. And if you aren't CP then you are NM and still nobody cares.

You are starting the crap again like you did with your truce BS and that turned ugly. It won't work.

There's no need to get ugly either. If you want to start getting sick here too then you'll wind up as you have on other forums....banned or without a forum because of your buddies and your attitudes.

Quit already.


Minga, YOU get a clue. I responded to it because it was being blown out of proportion and the story being "added to" saying things I never said. What started out as a simple observation (one that OBVIOUSLY hit a nerve) has turned into an all out ****ing war between you FREAKS on this message board. NO WONDER, NO WONDER, NO WONDER you people don't have a life. How the **** could you?

Clarifying my statement: A HEAVY SET WOMAN WAS SEEN CRYING IN THE PARKING LOT OF GBI, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND GOT INTO A TRUCK WITH IRWIN COUNTY TAGS.

Happy?

Good. So am I. I'm so happy I could **** right now.

Hugs & kisses, McKenna
:D

[McKenna]

This comes back up when the conversation has moved on? The fact that the conversation had turned to more salient, direct and important observations regarding what was happening with HD seems to be the reason for a return derailment. Always does that. What a coincidence.

If I saw a person crying at the station a few months ago, why would I find it relevant to Tara's case?

I SEE NO CONNECTION to a crying person who has Irwin plates and this two year old mystery. More info would help, but you don't have anything more credible or useful to add, you've been asked.

Now you are just interrupting useful and productive dialogue. :cuss:

Far be it from me to "interupt useful and productive dialogue"....LOLOL, but whatever. I just wanted to set the record straight DD. Just wanted to set it straight. Objection to that?

And as I said, if it has no value, then move on. Don't "embellish" the story and change it around to something I never said. I'm sure GBI knows who these people are and why that "heavy set" lady was crying, so that's fine by me. AGAIN, it was just a simple observation, one that OBVIOUSLY HIT A NERVE.

Now, carry on with your "useful and productive dialogue"....LOLOL.... Let's see, HOW LONG has she been missing now? I'm disappointed you have not solved this case by now...with all this useful and productive dialogue going on...

**** YOU and the Arabian Horse you rode in on from the desert.
:beer:

BAN ME PLEASE MODS. I DESERVE IT.
:beer:

Good day....

[Atok]

.... The only conclusion I can come up with is HD did not tell her where he was but that's just my thinking. What I cannot understand is why they have been so secretive about HD when in the end it created a lot of suspicion on HD. A crazy case. fep

It is my opinion that the secrets in the beginning were purposeful and were designed to delay revelations, some of which have eventually been brought to light. Truth always outs, eventually. If all this had come out in the beginning HD might not otherwise be enjoying the freedom he has now.

Becuase of the crazy making in this case, it may have created the perfect obfuscation. I believe, with hope, that a few hard pieces of evidence might still close this case and whoever is responsible will someday pay.

In the meantime we are left to ask, WHY were the secrets kept in the beginning and why are those people still being silent. Afraid of saying something incriminating? If there is nothing to hide there would be no secrets. Frank and honest discourse always leads to the truth. Nothing about secrets and excuses which change over time show any goodwill to Tara. There is lying and omission going on in this case and it's apparent to everyone.

I hope those fresh eyes zero in on the truth.

[minga]

It is my opinion that the secrets in the beginning were purposeful and were designed to delay revelations, some of which have eventually been brought to light. Truth always outs, eventually. If all this had come out in the beginning HD might not otherwise be enjoying the freedom he has now.

Becuase of the crazy making in this case, it may have created the perfect obfuscation. I believe, with hope, that a few hard pieces of evidence might still close this case and whoever is responsible will someday pay.

In the meantime we are left to ask, WHY were the secrets kept in the beginning and why are those people still being silent. Afraid of saying something incriminating? If there is nothing to hide there would be no secrets. Frank and honest discourse always leads to the truth. Nothing about secrets and excuses which change over time show any goodwill to Tara. There is lying and omission going on in this case and it's apparent to everyone.

I hope those fresh eyes zero in on the truth.


I believe you have it exactly right. Hopefully as you say new eyes can see what we haven't.

[Its just me]

It is my opinion that the secrets in the beginning were purposeful and were designed to delay revelations, some of which have eventually been brought to light. Truth always outs, eventually. If all this had come out in the beginning HD might not otherwise be enjoying the freedom he has now.

Becuase of the crazy making in this case, it may have created the perfect obfuscation. I believe, with hope, that a few hard pieces of evidence might still close this case and whoever is responsible will someday pay.

In the meantime we are left to ask, WHY were the secrets kept in the beginning and why are those people still being silent. Afraid of saying something incriminating? If there is nothing to hide there would be no secrets. Frank and honest discourse always leads to the truth. Nothing about secrets and excuses which change over time show any goodwill to Tara. There is lying and omission going on in this case and it's apparent to everyone.

I hope those fresh eyes zero in on the truth.

We still know little but we do know more than what was known in the beginning. Unless a very good believable excuse comes out for why the silence I will continue to believe information concerning HD was withheld on purpose. I think the message boards were under estimated and no one had any idea some things would surface. I have never followed a case on the Internet but I always have and still do in the news and I’ve never seen things this silent about someone that was at a missing person's house during the time frame they disappeared as it has been with HD.
All we can do is hope someone will zero in on the truth or be willing to expose the truth. fep

[SaraSidle]

We still know little but we do know more than what was known in the beginning. Unless a very good believable excuse comes out for why the silence I will continue to believe information concerning HD was withheld on purpose. I think the message boards were under estimated and no one had any idea some things would surface. I have never followed a case on the Internet but I always have and still do in the news and I’ve never seen things this silent about someone that was at a missing person's house during the time frame they disappeared as it has been with HD.
All we can do is hope someone will zero in on the truth or be willing to expose the truth. fep

Was there every any conclusion about the t-shrt found in the water?

[readmylips]

Far be it from me to "interupt useful and productive dialogue"....LOLOL, but whatever. I just wanted to set the record straight DD. Just wanted to set it straight. Objection to that?

And as I said, if it has no value, then move on. Don't "embellish" the story and change it around to something I never said. I'm sure GBI knows who these people are and why that "heavy set" lady was crying, so that's fine by me. AGAIN, it was just a simple observation, one that OBVIOUSLY HIT A NERVE.

Now, carry on with your "useful and productive dialogue"....LOLOL.... Let's see, HOW LONG has she been missing now? I'm disappointed you have not solved this case by now...with all this useful and productive dialogue going on...

**** YOU and the Arabian Horse you rode in on from the desert.
:beer:

BAN ME PLEASE MODS. I DESERVE IT.
:beer:

Good day....

Oh McKenna, darlin.... Did you miss those meds again today? You KNOW the dr said that is not healthy for you.

Now back to coherent discussion:

Sara, tmk the shirt that was found was not attributed to Tara. As a matter of fact, tmk, nothing that was found was ever attributed to Tara or her disappearance. There is always the chance that there was something found that was connected and le did not release that info to anyone.

When the shirt was found it was quite startling and many thought it was going to be a break in the case.

[Its just me]

Was there every any conclusion about the t-shrt found in the water?

Sara to my knowledge nothing found anywhere during a search was determined to be connected to Tara. There may be someone who has more information or disagree with me without information. :) fep

[Its just me]

Oooops RML we both posted at the exact same time..Looks as if we agree. fep

[susie31023]

It is my opinion that the secrets in the beginning were purposeful and were designed to delay revelations, some of which have eventually been brought to light. Truth always outs, eventually. If all this had come out in the beginning HD might not otherwise be enjoying the freedom he has now.

Becuase of the crazy making in this case, it may have created the perfect obfuscation. I believe, with hope, that a few hard pieces of evidence might still close this case and whoever is responsible will someday pay.

In the meantime we are left to ask, WHY were the secrets kept in the beginning and why are those people still being silent. Afraid of saying something incriminating? If there is nothing to hide there would be no secrets. Frank and honest discourse always leads to the truth. Nothing about secrets and excuses which change over time show any goodwill to Tara. There is lying and omission going on in this case and it's apparent to everyone.

I hope those fresh eyes zero in on the truth.

Atok I totally agree. There were and are secrets being kept in this case. Why is definitely the question. It seems as if some of the key players in Tara's case have made it a point to divert any and all attention from any true investigation into Tara's disappearance. It really is sad that the some of the people Tara trusted don't seem to want to give up the secrets that they may hold the key to find her. JMO

[readmylips]

Oooops RML we both posted at the exact same time..Looks as if we agree. fep

LOL Yes, I am embarrassed to say I addressed the troll but I tried to redeem myself by offerring some responsible information in my closing remarks. :)

[readmylips]

Atok I totally agree. There were and are secrets being kept in this case. Why is definitely the question. It seems as if some of the key players in Tara's case have made it a point to divert any and all attention from any true investigation into Tara's disappearance. It really is sad that the some of the people Tara trusted don't seem to want to give up the secrets that they may hold the key to find her. JMO

I really think it has more to do with ego and a need for control than Tara. I think but who knows. It's frustrating.

[Atok]

I really think it has more to do with ego and a need for control than Tara. I think but who knows. It's frustrating.

In the case of AG and LG I think it's ego and control, in the case of HD and wife I think it's ego and fear of losing what they currently have, in the case of MHu I think it's fear of harm, the one time she said something almost valuable Nancy Grace cut her off. In the case of FG I think it's saving face about family business the public doesn't need to know. Dirty Laundry in her mind perhaps?

The only way it would be different to me is if they were hiding that Tara is actually alive and that just doesn't sit right with the way AG has repeatedly commented about "How could Tara do this to their mother."

The silence has always been wrong. It's still wrong, but the longer it goes on the more reasons the silent have for justifying it to themselves such as "Nothing good could come about it now, so let's not speak." I totally disagree with that, but I am not someone who has to live with the consequences of the TRUTH being told.

[concernedperson]

This comes back up when the conversation has moved on? The fact that the conversation had turned to more salient, direct and important observations regarding what was happening with HD seems to be the reason for a return derailment. Always does that. What a coincidence.

If I saw a person crying at the station a few months ago, why would I find it relevant to Tara's case?

I SEE NO CONNECTION to a crying person who has Irwin plates and this two year old mystery. More info would help, but you don't have anything more credible or useful to add, you've been asked.

Now you are just interrupting useful and productive dialogue. :cuss:


Possibly the crying person was being asked hard questions and was disturbed by this? I don't know the reason either that this person was crying. It may not have anything to do with Tara's disappearance or it may. Only GBI can answer that. So, I would imagine you know know either...just a guess. JMO.

[susie31023]

Possibly the crying person was being asked hard questions and was disturbed by this? I don't know the reason either that this person was crying. It may not have anything to do with Tara's disappearance or it may. Only GBI can answer that. So, I would imagine you know know either...just a guess. JMO.Not to belabor a point but unless it was a person who is recognizable in this case it would not give rise to the question of whether it had to do with Tara's case. Many people go to the GBI offices for many reasons. Could be a drug case, traffic accident, etc. I know there are many people who are seen at our GBI offices each day.

So without any more information it would not be prudent to throw this into the mix. It would seem to me to be just another subject that we have to wade through needlessly. JMO,IMOO,IMHO,ETC

[concernedperson]

In the case of AG and LG I think it's ego and control, in the case of HD and wife I think it's ego and fear of losing what they currently have, in the case of MHu I think it's fear of harm, the one time she said something almost valuable Nancy Grace cut her off. In the case of FG I think it's saving face about family business the public doesn't need to know. Dirty Laundry in her mind perhaps?

The only way it would be different to me is if they were hiding that Tara is actually alive and that just doesn't sit right with the way AG has repeatedly commented about "How could Tara do this to their mother."

The silence has always been wrong. It's still wrong, but the longer it goes on the more reasons the silent have for justifying it to themselves such as "Nothing good could come about it now, so let's not speak." I totally disagree with that, but I am not someone who has to live with the consequences of the TRUTH being told.

The silence in this case extends many boundaries not only Tara's family.Otherwise Tara would be found and the perp behind bars. Tara's family I can understand, as they have dealt with emotional hardship that we can only imagine, and serious illness in the family. The other reasons for silence by others is more sinister for me.

I don't believe for one second that Tara's family had anything to do with her disappearance. Nor do I believe Heath ****s had anything to do with Tara's disappearance. Whatever their relationships were it seemed to be a caring family with most of the searches orchestrated by them after the official searches ended in 2 weeks after Tara's disappearance.They kept it up until leads were no longer there and family illness called it quits. I am speaking of Tara's maternal side as I don't know of any searches by the paternal side.

The bottom line is some from Ocilla don't like Anita and will use her in any way, shape or form to seek justification for their own inaction, action or other issues. I, frankly, believe that many, many things were made up to further this cause.

[concernedperson]

Not to belabor a point but unless it was a person who is recognizable in this case it would not give rise to the question of whether it had to do with Tara's case. Many people go to the GBI offices for many reasons. Could be a drug case, traffic accident, etc. I know there are many people who are seen at our GBI offices each day.

So without any more information it would not be prudent to throw this into the mix. It would seem to me to be just another subject that we have to wade through needlessly. JMO,IMOO,IMHO,ETC


Well it is something new vs. something old. Less has been made on other subjects so inquiring minds want to know.

[susie31023]

The silence in this case extends many boundaries not only Tara's family.Otherwise Tara would be found and the perp behind bars. Tara's family I can understand, as they have dealt with emotional hardship that we can only imagine, and serious illness in the family. The other reasons for silence by others is more sinister for me.

I don't believe for one second that Tara's family had anything to do with her disappearance. Nor do I believe Heath ****s had anything to do with Tara's disappearance. Whatever their relationships were it seemed to be a caring family with most of the searches orchestrated by them after the official searches ended in 2 weeks after Tara's disappearance.They kept it up until leads were no longer there and family illness called it quits. I am speaking of Tara's maternal side as I don't know of any searches by the paternal side.

The bottom line is some from Ocilla don't like Anita and will use her in any way, shape or form to seek justification for their own inaction, action or other issues. I, frankly, believe that many, many things were made up to further this cause.


I don't know Anita at all so I have no axe to grind with her. I base my opinion on what she herself has said and done since Tara's disappearance. She has changed her story too many times for me to take her seriously. Now as for ****s he has continued to be protected for what ever reason. No one would have ever known he was all over Ocilla that weekend if Dr. G. had not told it to be "fair".

You have called Anita every name in the book before yourself. You stated you were told to post certain info. You also said you wouldn't believe anything she said. I am wondering how you could go from accusing AG/LG to now saying they have been lied about. Not trying to argue just stating fact. You were very vocal about her at one point and that leads me to believe you were telling the truth when you said she lied. JMO,IMOO,IMHO,ETC.

[Brainstorm]

[/B]


I don't know Anita at all so I have no axe to grind with her. I base my opinion on what she herself has said and done since Tara's disappearance. She has changed her story too many times for me to take her seriously. Now as for ****s he has continued to be protected for what ever reason. No one would have ever known he was all over Ocilla that weekend if Dr. G. had not told it to be "fair".

You have called Anita every name in the book before yourself. You stated you were told to post certain info. You also said you wouldn't believe anything she said. I am wondering how you could go from accusing AG/LG to now saying they have been lied about. Not trying to argue just stating fact. You were very vocal about her at one point and that leads me to believe you were telling the truth when you said she lied. JMO,IMOO,IMHO,ETC.

Thank you for that post. I was thinking the same thing.
I dont know AG either and thats the way I want it. Ive seen enough to know when somethings not right, and AG and her performance is/was just not right.
I have NO USE, whatsoever for her.
cp, what changed your mind so drastically?

[fsbiii]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[readmylips]

[/B]snipped
You have called Anita every name in the book before yourself. You stated you were told to post certain info. You also said you wouldn't believe anything she said. I am wondering how you could go from accusing AG/LG to now saying they have been lied about. Not trying to argue just stating fact. You were very vocal about her at one point and that leads me to believe you were telling the truth when you said she lied. JMO,IMOO,IMHO,ETC.

I started to reply to cp's little rant but saw your reply and realized how well you addressed it with facts. Thanks for that.

CP has no direct knowledge of anything and yet finds it justifiable to cast accusations and hatred based on her position of the day.

She isn't aware of what has been done to help find Tara from the "paternal side" because the "paternal side" has been focused on finding Tara and not finding a spotlight to bask in. Many would be very surprised to know just how involved the paternal side of Tara's family has been in the quest to find Tara. The car being in the GBI's hands is just one small example. I am aware of some and am sure there is much more that I am not aware of.

I wonder what CP has to say about the demise of missingtara.com and what message that sends about the caring nature of Anita Gattis. I have to wonder why a person would let that happen. Why would you have a website set up to help find your missing loved one but then let it disappear with that loved one still missing? That confuses me greatly.

[fsbiii]

Oh, there's always an excuse set up and sent out on the pigeon's wings... I'd imagine it has to do with Tara's mom's health; that one gets pulled often off the reference shelf for an excuse. The reality of it is sad and I feel for her, but the constant abuse of it as an excuse by the minions really irks the hell outta me...

I started to reply to cp's little rant but saw your reply and realized how well you addressed it with facts. Thanks for that.

CP has no direct knowledge of anything and yet finds it justifiable to cast accusations and hatred based on her position of the day.

She isn't aware of what has been done to help find Tara from the "paternal side" because the "paternal side" has been focused on finding Tara and not finding a spotlight to bask in. Many would be very surprised to know just how involved the paternal side of Tara's family has been in the quest to find Tara. The car being in the GBI's hands is just one small example. I am aware of some and am sure there is much more that I am not aware of.

I wonder what CP has to say about the demise of missingtara.com and what message that sends about the caring nature of Anita Gattis. I have to wonder why a person would let that happen. Why would you have a website set up to help find your missing loved one but then let it disappear with that loved one still missing? That confuses me greatly.

[Its just me]

[/B]


I don't know Anita at all so I have no axe to grind with her. I base my opinion on what she herself has said and done since Tara's disappearance. She has changed her story too many times for me to take her seriously. Now as for ****s he has continued to be protected for what ever reason. No one would have ever known he was all over Ocilla that weekend if Dr. G. had not told it to be "fair".

You have called Anita every name in the book before yourself. You stated you were told to post certain info. You also said you wouldn't believe anything she said. I am wondering how you could go from accusing AG/LG to now saying they have been lied about. Not trying to argue just stating fact. You were very vocal about her at one point and that leads me to believe you were telling the truth when you said she lied. JMO,IMOO,IMHO,ETC.

Very well said Susie..thank you. ITA fep

[Its just me]

I started to reply to cp's little rant but saw your reply and realized how well you addressed it with facts. Thanks for that.

CP has no direct knowledge of anything and yet finds it justifiable to cast accusations and hatred based on her position of the day.

She isn't aware of what has been done to help find Tara from the "paternal side" because the "paternal side" has been focused on finding Tara and not finding a spotlight to bask in. Many would be very surprised to know just how involved the paternal side of Tara's family has been in the quest to find Tara. The car being in the GBI's hands is just one small example. I am aware of some and am sure there is much more that I am not aware of.

I wonder what CP has to say about the demise of missingtara.com and what message that sends about the caring nature of Anita Gattis. I have to wonder why a person would let that happen. Why would you have a website set up to help find your missing loved one but then let it disappear with that loved one still missing? That confuses me greatly.

I think anyone who have ever met and talked to this couple knows they are not about drama. For anyone to say they have done nothing in the quest to help find Tara just plain don't know what they are talking about. Thank you for this post. fep

[Its just me]

I going to bed see you guys tomorrow. fep

[The R]

Far be it from me to "interupt useful and productive dialogue"....LOLOL, but whatever. I just wanted to set the record straight DD. Just wanted to set it straight. Objection to that?

And as I said, if it has no value, then move on. Don't "embellish" the story and change it around to something I never said. I'm sure GBI knows who these people are and why that "heavy set" lady was crying, so that's fine by me. AGAIN, it was just a simple observation, one that OBVIOUSLY HIT A NERVE.

Now, carry on with your "useful and productive dialogue"....LOLOL.... Let's see, HOW LONG has she been missing now? I'm disappointed you have not solved this case by now...with all this useful and productive dialogue going on...

**** YOU and the Arabian Horse you rode in on from the desert.
:beer:

BAN ME PLEASE MODS. I DESERVE IT.
:beer:

Good day....


LOL McKenna,

Looks like you the one that had a nerve struck. :) Just because someone questions your post you go off the deep end? Evidently the info you presented has no use. Gather yourself please. :patriot:


ALLMO,
R

[Its just me]

LOL McKenna,

Looks like you the one that had a nerve struck. :) Just because someone questions your post you go off the deep end? Evidently the info you presented has no use. Gather yourself please. :patriot:


ALLMO,
R


Yea..It's quite obvious who had the hissy fit. Whether a fat lady or a heavyset lady...without additional information I see absolutely no relevance to Tara's case and it’s not worth discussing anymore IMOO. I’m kind of lost on McKenna’s thinking this hit a nerve. If this actually happened it could be have been many people…There are lots and lots of heavy set women in Irwin County and lots of fat ones too for that matter who can be described as heavyset or fat...not two cents worth of difference in my book. Trust me I know..I think I've kinda got to looking on the fat and heavyset side. :rolleyes: but I ain't been crying in Perry at the GBI office neither. So I just don’t get where McKenna is coming from or trying to go. Just my honest and truthful opinion of what I really think... fep

[Brainstorm]

LOL McKenna,

Looks like you the one that had a nerve struck. :) Just because someone questions your post you go off the deep end? Evidently the info you presented has no use. Gather yourself please. :patriot:


ALLMO,
R

I agree, Gather yourself. You havent affected my nerves yet, but if you continue on, it might.imo

[The R]

Yea..It's quite obvious who had the hissy fit. Whether a fat lady or a heavyset lady...without additional information I see absolutely no relevance to Tara's case and it’s not worth discussing anymore IMOO. I’m kind of lost on McKenna’s thinking this hit a nerve. If this actually happened it could be have been many people…There are lots and lots of heavy set women in Irwin County and lots of fat ones too for that matter who can be described as heavyset or fat...not two cents worth of difference in my book. Trust me I know..I think I've kinda got to looking on the fat and heavyset side. :rolleyes: but I ain't been crying in Perry at the GBI office neither. So I just don’t get where McKenna is coming from or trying to go. Just my honest and truthful opinion of what I really think... fep

LOL IJM ITA and don't think there's much to understand frankly. I think Atok used the word obfuscation? Anyway, I'll leave it be too. I can relate on the fat or heavyset stuff too! I think of myself as fat although some people trying to be nice will describe me as heavyset. :) Or they'll even say "you carry it well":D (I know they're just trying to say something positive!)


ALLMO,
R

[Its just me]

I've said this so many times I should not have to say it anymore but I still do because it's important. I don't know what happened to Tara but I do know I can not over look the fact that HD was having a relationship with Tara and he has been put in Ocilla 90 miles from his home during the time frame she dissappeared. He spoke with her on her cell phone just shortly before she excused herself from the BBQ. I can not use good sound judgement and over look this. Period. fep

[The R]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


ITA!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


:D

[Brainstorm]

LOL IJM ITA and don't think there's much to understand frankly. I think Atok used the word obfuscation? Anyway, I'll leave it be too. I can relate on the fat or heavyset stuff too! I think of myself as fat although some people trying to be nice will describe me as heavyset. :) Or they'll even say "you carry it well":D (I know they're just trying to say something positive!)


ALLMO,
R

Ive heard that one too, R........."well, you're so tall" LOL.
so, after this, everyone will know .......we are a bunch of fat,ugly people.hahaha,pass the donuts,please.

[Its just me]

LOL IJM ITA and don't think there's much to understand frankly. I think Atok used the word obfuscation? Anyway, I'll leave it be too. I can relate on the fat or heavyset stuff too! I think of myself as fat although some people trying to be nice will describe me as heavyset. :) Or they'll even say "you carry it well":D (I know they're just trying to say something positive!)


ALLMO,
R

On the really serious side I think Atok spoke well...I have a lot of respect for Atok and it's something she earned over time.

Now for the other serious stuff...this fat and heavy set problem...You remember Susie posted the following in her exercise joke on the humor thread at TT and it really caught my eye. :biggrin:


every time I start thinking too much
about how I look,
I just find a Happy Hour
and by the time I leave,
I look just fine.

That just may work cause that alcohol sure will alter the way one thinks. :eek: feppy

[The R]

On the serious side I think Atok spoke well...I have a lot of respect for Atok and it's something she earned over time.

Not for the other serious stuff...this fat and heavy set problem...You remember Susie posted the following and it really caught my eye. :biggrin:


every time I start thinking too much
about how I look,
I just find a Happy Hour
and by the time I leave,
I look just fine.

That just may work cause that alcohol sure will alter the way one thinks. :eek: feppy



10-4 on that IJM! IMO Atok always speaks well.



as far as the alcohol, well....not sure I could drink that much these days! :)

R

[The R]

Ive heard that one too, R........."well, you're so tall" LOL.
so, after this, everyone will know .......we are a bunch of fat,ugly people.hahaha,pass the donuts,please.


Krispy Kreme? :D

[Its just me]

Ive heard that one too, R........."well, you're so tall" LOL.
so, after this, everyone will know .......we are a bunch of fat,ugly people.hahaha,pass the donuts,please.

:punch: Donuts and the liquor bottle. See my last post BS...we can solve this problem. :D feppy

ETA: When is the next happy hour at the No Name.

Where's that fast car icon when I need it.

[Brainstorm]

:punch: Donuts and the liquor bottle. See my last post BS...we can solve this problem. :D feppy

ETA: When is the next happy hour at the No Name. feppy

lol. So, if we drink enough alcohol, and eat enough donuts, we'll turn into tall, skinny, beautiful people? I can handle that.

Of course,R, nothing but KKs!

[Its just me]

Ive heard that one too, R........."well, you're so tall" LOL.
so, after this, everyone will know .......we are a bunch of fat,ugly people.hahaha,pass the donuts,please.

Well, I've seen some of US and I've seen pictures of others that don't claim to be us....:eek: I think we are still ahead of the game in some cases. feppy

[susie31023]

Ive heard that one too, R........."well, you're so tall" LOL.
so, after this, everyone will know .......we are a bunch of fat,ugly people.hahaha,pass the donuts,please.


BS, I prefer the term pleasantly plump please, LOL. And yes please do pass the donuts, I like the boston cream ones myself. :biggrin::biggrin: Theres two of me because one aint big enough, LOL.

[susie31023]

True story guys. After I had my beautiful children my body had a mind of it's own :biggrin: and the pounds seem to stay. My late mother in law says to my oldest daughter "your mother "used" to be so pretty, LOL. No kidding my daughter [ blesss her heart] looks at her granny and says "she still is". Oh well I have the pictures to prove I was once "pretty" :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[Brainstorm]

True story guys. After I had my beautiful children my body had a mind of it's own :biggrin: and the pounds seem to stay. My late mother in law says to my oldest daughter "your mother "used" to be so pretty, LOL. No kidding my daughter [ blesss her heart] looks at her granny and says "she still is". Oh well I have the pictures to prove I was once "pretty" :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

LOL, precious memories, imoo

[susie31023]

Yes BS I think we all have those precious memories of times like that. I have been best friends with my oldest daughter since she was born. My youngest daughter was strictly a Daddy's girl, my son is just like his dad. They are some of the best kids that were ever born[ yep I'm biased, LOL].:biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

I've said this so many times I should not have to say it anymore but I still do because it's important. I don't know what happened to Tara but I do know I can not over look the fact that HD was having a relationship with Tara and he has been put in Ocilla 90 miles from his home during the time frame she dissappeared. He spoke with her on her cell phone just shortly before she excused herself from the BBQ. I can not use good sound judgement and over look this. Period. fep

I have also had this stuck in my mind. I did a lot more reading and I really do not thing MH involved. He is too into his traveling and really did want to break away. HD is very much in my mind.

I would like a cremefilled Longjohn please.

[susie31023]

I have also had this stuck in my mind. I did a lot more reading and I really do not thing MH involved. He is too into his traveling and really did want to break away. HD is very much in my mind.

I would like a cremefilled Longjohn please.


Oh my goodness Sara. I haven't heard the name Longjohn since I was a kid, LOL. I used to stop at this little drug store that had little counter in it and get me a longjohn an coke before school. I was in the third grade, LOL. Thanks for making my day. I thought I had made that name up since no one called them that anymore.

I agree I don't think MH was involved in Tara's disappearance..Now on the other hand either HD had a hand in it or the perp was the luckiest guy in the world not to have been seen by HD since he was at Tara's many times that weekend. Funny how his protectors seem to skip over that fact in their efforts to relieve any suspicions of him. JMO

[SaraSidle]

Oh my goodness Sara. I haven't heard the name Longjohn since I was a kid, LOL. I used to stop at this little drug store that had little counter in it and get me a longjohn an coke before school. I was in the third grade, LOL. Thanks for making my day. I thought I had made that name up since no one called them that anymore.

I agree I don't think MH was involved in Tara's disappearance..Now on the other hand either HD had a hand in it or the perp was the luckiest guy in the world not to have been seen by HD since he was at Tara's many times that weekend. Funny how his protectors seem to skip over that fact in their efforts to relieve any suspicions of him. JMO

Everyone I know calls them that and I just love them!!! I also like cruellers and krispy kremes. I try so hard to stay away from all 3 LOL.

ITA agree with your last post and that has been hard for me to look at it any differently

[Its just me]

I have also had this stuck in my mind. I did a lot more reading and I really do not thing MH involved. He is too into his traveling and really did want to break away. HD is very much in my mind.

I would like a cremefilled Longjohn please.

LOL Sara the longjohn is a new one for me but I do love a donut…especially those filled to the brim with cream. At the local bakery they are called a cream stick.
Same here with my thinking about HD, Almost every avenue I go it always leads back to HD in some way. Until proven otherwise I believe HD and Tara were in some kind of disagreement that weekend. I believe the girl who answered the rude phone call truly believed the caller was HD or she would not have said so. The girl and Tara discussed this some because Tara apologized so I think enough was said for the girl to truly believe the rude caller was HD. I have no question in my mind that HD knew Tara was going to the pageant and he gave her time for it to be over and he calls again while she was at the BBQ. It was told by someone that HD was watching the ballgame with some friends when he made the call. We have zero information on HD's from then to Sunday when he shows up unannounced at an old friends house over close to the river in the Hawkinsville area (can't recall the name of the road) With the information gathered I think he then proceeded coming to Ocilla..he made numerous calls to Tara and leaving messages like I love you and I recently was told "where are you" I personally can not vouch that this was on the answering machine but I have no reason to doubt the source and will consider it the truth until proven it's not true.
Those phone records could tell so much but I know we will never get them. I don't believe there is an ounce of truth in the claim that HD was just a friend protecting Tara. They were having an intimate relationship and it was confirmed by Dr. Godwin and a close friend of Tara's personally told me there was a relationship. Only Tara's friend saying she lied is the only thing that will make be believe any different and I KNOW that is not going to happen.
I think the time HD's phone calls after the conversation at the BBQ started and his location when he started calling is very important. I also think when he stopped calling is important. Did the call to FG at 12:15 stop his phone calls. Did he go home and go to sleep. (etc.etc.etc.) But instead of revealing anything HD has chose to keep quiet to possibly clear himself so the public can focus in another direction for some kind of clue to report. There is an argument against my kind of thinking but I've never known many cases to get solved without some input from a citizen who witnessed something. I've never known the public to keep a case on their minds unless the LE keeps it before the public either. I believe the last public statement months ago... GBI agent Rothwell stated there is no evidence that MH or AV is involved in Tara vanishing. The GBI has not been vocal on much of anything and certainly not HD but they would have to be complete morons not to know there is a whole lot of suspicion from the public surrounding HD's involvement in this case so did Rothwell not include HD in his last statement because he is friends with the GBI or was it because he couldn't say their is no evidence that HD is involved. Just sharing the way I'm thinking. fep

[SaraSidle]

LOL Sara the longjohn is a new one for me but I do love a donut…especially those filled to the brim with cream. At the local bakery they are called a cream stick.
Same here with my thinking about HD, Almost every avenue I go it always leads back to HD in some way. Until proven otherwise I believe HD and Tara were in some kind of disagreement that weekend. I believe the girl who answered the rude phone call truly believed the caller was HD or she would not have said so. The girl and Tara discussed this some because Tara apologized so I think enough was said for the girl to truly believe the rude caller was HD. I have no question in my mind that HD knew Tara was going to the pageant and he gave her time for it to be over and he calls again while she was at the BBQ. It was told by someone that HD was watching the ballgame with some friends when he made the call. We have zero information on HD's from then to Sunday when he shows up unannounced at an old friends house over close to the river in the Hawkinsville area (can't recall the name of the road) With the information gathered I think he then proceeded coming to Ocilla..he made numerous calls to Tara and leaving messages like I love you and I recently was told "where are you" I personally can not vouch that this was on the answering machine but I have no reason to doubt the source and will consider it the truth until proven it's not true.
Those phone records could tell so much but I know we will never get them. I don't believe there is an ounce of truth in the claim that HD was just a friend protecting Tara. They were having an intimate relationship and it was confirmed by Dr. Godwin and a close friend of Tara's personally told me there was a relationship. Only Tara's friend saying she lied is the only thing that will make be believe any different and I KNOW that is not going to happen.
I think the time HD's phone calls after the conversation at the BBQ started and his location when he started calling is very important. I also think when he stopped calling is important. Did the call to FG at 12:15 stop his phone calls. Did he go home and go to sleep. (etc.etc.etc.) But instead of revealing anything HD has chose to keep quiet to possibly clear himself so the public can focus in another direction for some kind of clue to report. There is an argument against my kind of thinking but I've never known many cases to get solved without some input from a citizen who witnessed something. I've never known the public to keep a case on their minds unless the LE keeps it before the public either. I believe the last public statement months ago... GBI agent Rothwell stated there is no evidence that MH or AV is involved in Tara vanishing. The GBI has not been vocal on much of anything and certainly not HD but they would have to be complete morons not to know there is a whole lot of suspicion from the public surrounding HD's involvement in this case so did Rothwell not include HD in his last statement because he is friends with the GBI or was it because he couldn't say their is no evidence that HD is involved. Just sharing the way I'm thinking. fep

What a great post fep. I am really starting to lean this way. Somethings really fit. I believe he went to Tara's and hid his car. I believe he drove her away in her own car maybe telling her they were going somewhere to make it easy for her to take her purse and let him drive. I believe he is the one who dropped the glove later and I sure would like to know if there were any prints on the inside of that glove. I know MH had been heavily involved with Tara at want point but he was dating others and going overseas. I am pretty sure he was over it. My nephew is in the army and goes back and forth to Iraq and Afghanistan and he has no serious relations ships. Just a lot of dates. This makes sense to me. I really enjoy posting with you fep. The above is just how I am thinking. And I also think she is wearing the missing earrings. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Off topic for one little posting. A long john is a elongated tube of donut filled with white cream or pudding topped with chocolate frosting.

[susie31023]

LOL Sara the longjohn is a new one for me but I do love a donut…especially those filled to the brim with cream. At the local bakery they are called a cream stick.
Same here with my thinking about HD, Almost every avenue I go it always leads back to HD in some way. Until proven otherwise I believe HD and Tara were in some kind of disagreement that weekend. I believe the girl who answered the rude phone call truly believed the caller was HD or she would not have said so. The girl and Tara discussed this some because Tara apologized so I think enough was said for the girl to truly believe the rude caller was HD. I have no question in my mind that HD knew Tara was going to the pageant and he gave her time for it to be over and he calls again while she was at the BBQ. It was told by someone that HD was watching the ballgame with some friends when he made the call. We have zero information on HD's from then to Sunday when he shows up unannounced at an old friends house over close to the river in the Hawkinsville area (can't recall the name of the road) With the information gathered I think he then proceeded coming to Ocilla..he made numerous calls to Tara and leaving messages like I love you and I recently was told "where are you" I personally can not vouch that this was on the answering machine but I have no reason to doubt the source and will consider it the truth until proven it's not true.
Those phone records could tell so much but I know we will never get them. I don't believe there is an ounce of truth in the claim that HD was just a friend protecting Tara. They were having an intimate relationship and it was confirmed by Dr. Godwin and a close friend of Tara's personally told me there was a relationship. Only Tara's friend saying she lied is the only thing that will make be believe any different and I KNOW that is not going to happen.
I think the time HD's phone calls after the conversation at the BBQ started and his location when he started calling is very important. I also think when he stopped calling is important. Did the call to FG at 12:15 stop his phone calls. Did he go home and go to sleep. (etc.etc.etc.) But instead of revealing anything HD has chose to keep quiet to possibly clear himself so the public can focus in another direction for some kind of clue to report. There is an argument against my kind of thinking but I've never known many cases to get solved without some input from a citizen who witnessed something. I've never known the public to keep a case on their minds unless the LE keeps it before the public either. I believe the last public statement months ago... GBI agent Rothwell stated there is no evidence that MH or AV is involved in Tara vanishing. The GBI has not been vocal on much of anything and certainly not HD but they would have to be complete morons not to know there is a whole lot of suspicion from the public surrounding HD's involvement in this case so did Rothwell not include HD in his last statement because he is friends with the GBI or was it because he couldn't say their is no evidence that HD is involved. Just sharing the way I'm thinking. fep

Feppy, the name of the road is Lower River Road. I agree I have never seen a case where there isn't ANY info given out or asked for. Seems pretty strange but could be just me. JMO

[Atok]

Is it truth that HD had not visited this friend on Lower River Road for a very long time and that the visit that weekend was very short or no notice?

[SaraSidle]

Is it truth that HD had not visited this friend on Lower River Road for a very long time and that the visit that weekend was very short or no notice?

Is this the body of water where the t shirt was found?

[One2Snoop]

Is it truth that HD had not visited this friend on Lower River Road for a very long time and that the visit that weekend was very short or no notice?

Atok - this is all the info I could find on Lower River Road.

I think you are upset because Nancy was more of a Mother and family to Tara then her own family ever thought about being. It must hurt their family to know that Nancy was the one that did everything for Tara. It just really must make them so mad that hmmmmmmm never mind. I would bet the parents are safe but HD being there all weekend and his breaking habits all over Ocilla to only God knows where...that is the one that scares me. Oh BTW did you know that I just heard that HD didn't have an alibi for Sunday! Why do you think he left out visiting his friend? hmmmmmmm let me think on that awhile. I just really like debating with you BJ! You bring out the best in me. Thank You! :beer: JMHO

I was told that HD did NOT have an alibi for Sunday 23 October as well and THIS is why HD visit to the "friend", who lives on the river at Sand Hammock Landing, on the Sunday afternoon of weekend that Tara disappeared, is of such great importance. Why would HD NOT mention this visit to the friend on Lower River Road?. hmmmmm

Some have asked on the board, has the "friend" on Lower River Road told LE about the "strange" visit that Sunday and so far we have not been able to find out one way or the other as yet.

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Is this the body of water where the t shirt was found?

No, not the same area...

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0601_womas_t-shirt_found_in_Grinstead_probe.html

Ocilla , GA (Crime Library) - As the hunt for Tara Grinstead enters its third week, investigators over the weekend combed the shoreline and waters near Pleasure Lake, looking for any clue to the young woman's fate or whereabouts, and recovered a woman's t-shirt.

snip~

[SaraSidle]

No, not the same area...

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0601_womas_t-shirt_found_in_Grinstead_probe.html

Ocilla , GA (Crime Library) - As the hunt for Tara Grinstead enters its third week, investigators over the weekend combed the shoreline and waters near Pleasure Lake, looking for any clue to the young woman's fate or whereabouts, and recovered a woman's t-shirt.

snip~

Thanks so much One2Snoop. Its was just a little thought nagging me.

[susie31023]

Thanks so much One2Snoop. Its was just a little thought nagging me.

Sara, this particular road is in Pulaski County which has not been searched to my knowledge. At least the area where the "friend" lives is Pulaski. Also Pulaski County is where Tara's mother and sister live also if that helps any. I am very familiar with Lower River Road.

[SaraSidle]

Sara, this particular road is in Pulaski County which has not been searched to my knowledge. At least the area where the "friend" lives is Pulaski. Also Pulaski County is where Tara's mother and sister live also if that helps any. I am very familiar with Lower River Road.

That is very interesting Susie. I am going to have to put some thought into this. I wish I knew the geography better not by map necessarily but by driving around.

[Brainstorm]

Sara, this particular road is in Pulaski County which has not been searched to my knowledge. At least the area where the "friend" lives is Pulaski. Also Pulaski County is where Tara's mother and sister live also if that helps any. I am very familiar with Lower River Road.

Who thought about looking in Pulaski Co, at the time? I wish the truth had been told, then some of those searches might have been in that area.IMO.
I still think its important, about the LLR, but I have no clue where to start.

[susie31023]

That is very interesting Susie. I am going to have to put some thought into this. I wish I knew the geography better not by map necessarily but by driving around.

Sara Lower River Road goes to Hawkinsville where Tara's family lives. Also Perry is not to far away from there. It can also take you in a round a bout way to Ocilla. I had given some thought to this as there was a scream heard around 3:30 am Sunday Morning on IIRC Old Fitzgerald Hwy. Which again would take you to LRR. No one has established if the scream report was legitimate or not as far as I know[ could be wrong].

Now to confuse even more, LOL. I wouldn't think anyone would take LRR from Hawkinsville to Ocilla since it is kinda a roundabout way. So when I heard HD had supposedly visited this old friend out of the blue that Sunday it made me wonder. I find it very odd that there were no searches in Pulaski County as far as I know. Sorry if I have gotten you lost ;) just trying to help if I can. JMO

[susie31023]

Who thought about looking in Pulaski Co, at the time? I wish the truth had been told, then some of those searches might have been in that area.IMO.
I still think its important, about the LLR, but I have no clue where to start.

BS, I too wish the truth had been told in the beginning.JMO

[SaraSidle]

Sara Lower River Road goes to Hawkinsville where Tara's family lives. Also Perry is not to far away from there. It can also take you in a round a bout way to Ocilla. I had given some thought to this as there was a scream heard around 3:30 am Sunday Morning on IIRC Old Fitzgerald Hwy. Which again would take you to LRR. No one has established if the scream report was legitimate or not as far as I know[ could be wrong].

Now to confuse even more, LOL. I wouldn't think anyone would take LRR from Hawkinsville to Ocilla since it is kinda a roundabout way. So when I heard HD had supposedly visited this old friend out of the blue that Sunday it made me wonder. I find it very odd that there were no searches in Pulaski County as far as I know. Sorry if I have gotten you lost ;) just trying to help if I can. JMO

Actually I understand it very well thank you Susie. yes to both of you susie and bs. That would have been an area to search!!!!

[Brainstorm]

BS, I too wish the truth had been told in the beginning.JMO

AG threw everything off, IMOO, terribly bad on day one, thats just all there is to it,imo

[SaraSidle]

AG threw everything off, IMOO, terribly bad on day one, thats just all there is to it,imo

I am really starting to see that!!!!!!

[susie31023]

AG threw everything off, IMOO, terribly bad on day one, thats just all there is to it,imo

BS, I think had it been made known that HD was at Tara's house that weekend from the beginning it would have at least given the LE more ideas to search. Instead AG came out accusing MH without really knowing anything. Not sure why HD was and still is given protection and elevated above suspicion. I know I sound like a broken record but I still believe AG/LG/HD know more than they are telling. JMO

[Brainstorm]

BS, I think had it been made known that HD was at Tara's house that weekend from the beginning it would have at least given the LE more ideas to search. Instead AG came out accusing MH without really knowing anything. Not sure why HD was and still is given protection and elevated above suspicion. I know I sound like a broken record but I still believe AG/LG/HD know more than they are telling. JMO

Well, of course Im speculating, but I believe they do too. Until proven otherwise.
I hope we get to hear the whole truth, some day, & nothing but the truth.

[susie31023]

Well, of course Im speculating, but I believe they do too. Until proven otherwise.
I hope we get to hear the whole truth, some day, & nothing but the truth.

AMEN :beer:

[SaraSidle]

AMEN :beer:

susie I am wondering if so much silence is due to the fact that one suspect is a former LE and one is current. IMO

[Brainstorm]

susie I am wondering if so much silence is due to the fact that one suspect is a former LE and one is current. IMO

Maybe we should say POI, instead of suspect. Also, remember, one of the statements from LE we have heard, iirc, was they could find not connections with MH or AV.

[susie31023]

susie I am wondering if so much silence is due to the fact that one suspect is a former LE and one is current. IMO

Sara the GBI did say that they couldn't find anything to link MH to Tara's disappearance. They have not said anything about HD. Makes me wonder are they silent on HD because of him being LE or are they being silent to protect him.JMO

[SaraSidle]

Sara the GBI did say that they couldn't find anything to link MH to Tara's disappearance. They have not said anything about HD. Makes me wonder are they silent on HD because of him being LE or are they being silent to protect him.JMO

Exactly my point susie. and thanks Brainstorm. I knew I was using the wrong term but my mind blanked out. I need to use POI more often. IMO

[Brainstorm]

Exactly my point susie. and thanks Brainstorm. I knew I was using the wrong term but my mind blanked out. I need to use POI more often. IMO

No problem. In fact, in my mind, HD is clearly a suspect. The only one, imo. BUT since it is what it is,in all fairness, he is simply a poi.

[Atok]

No problem. In fact, in my mind, HD is clearly a suspect. The only one, imo. BUT since it is what it is,in all fairness, he is simply a poi.

The following is my personal opinion. HD knows how a criminal case has to be made. He knows evidence uncovered through proper investigative processes are all that can be used or matter. He's a Captain. He knows without the right evidence no office will go forward to prosecute any individual. Much less an officer of the law.

He has got to know he is a person of interest "unofficially" and he volunteers nothing. No POI is going to volunteer information about their whereabouts if what they were doing "could be" circumstantial and not in favorable light. Any guilty POI would make the state "Make the case" against them. I don't think HD has any fears right now. He knows this case is convoluted and crazy and he knows why. If he is guilty, he won't be the first silent POI to eventually have his house of cards crumble. Truth can come out, justice can happen.

One of these days I can only hope they locate Tara. Wherever she is should provide the piece required to move forward. In the meantime I am distressed that there isn't anything more solid to move forward on. Searches cost money and are labor intensive. Two years later, should Tara be off the beaten path in Pulaski County what would be left to find? I guess it depends what was done to her.

I don't have anyone else on my radar as loud as HD and it took a long to come to that conclusion. He made it a difficult task, but still at this time, without more actual evidence he is innocent until proven he did otherwise.

[SaraSidle]

No problem. In fact, in my mind, HD is clearly a suspect. The only one, imo. BUT since it is what it is,in all fairness, he is simply a poi.


I also am leaning that way the more I read. I still need reminders though and you are absolutely right. POI thanks again

[susie31023]

I think we all have our reason's for suspecting what may have happened to Tara and who may be guilty. We are here each and every day trying to find that one little connector that will help find her. There have been many theories and many many diversions, arguments etc. Yet we still try to keep Tara's name and case out in the publics eye. We pray that someone who knows or suspects they know what happened will come forward out of the sheer knowledge that they could possibly put an end to the grief that her family is going through. The horror of the not knowing whether she could be alive or not. The endless nightmares of the terrible things that may have happened to their loved one.

I have seen and read many things about Tara and her life. She seemed to have had it all on the outside but on the inside she desperately needed something she didn't have. Above all else she was human and made her share of mistakes. She was and is loved by many who never had the chance to meet or get to know her. Many people have asked and begged for information on her, we have tried to encourage anyone who may know something to please come forward, yet there is silence from those who may be able to help. What else can we do? Giving up is not an option for most of us because she deserves justice. If she is alive thats great then let us know and she can continue wherever she is. If she isn't alive then the person who did this or someone who suspects them should come to the front and tell what they know. It is much easier to be a coward than a hero but the hero can look at themselves and know they are just and right. The coward just sits and tries to convince themselves that they are just and right, but GOD knows which is which. And in the end that is all that matters.

I don't know HD is guilty of harming Tara. I do know he did many suspicious things that weekend. I do know he has refused to give any statements for the public to allay our suspicions so we may move on from him. I do wonder how he reconciles his behavior that weekend and afterward to himself and his loved ones. I do wonder how those close to him can read our questions and not think he needs to do something to help us. He seemed to be so close to Tara yet when she vanished he disappeared into the woodwork, no longer the "close friend" I guess. How do you stop caring? How do you just see someone you supposedly loved vanish and just drop it and act like she never existed? Such a cold and unfeeling way to act in my opinion.

I have emailed every crime reporter I could find. I have begged for info from anyone I could. No one seems to want to ask the hard questions. No one seems to want to keep Tara in the forefront. A lot of us are here on these and other boards for Hours each day. Yet we seem to get no closer to an answer. I seriously don't know what else to do. If anyone can point me in a direction please do. I will do anything it takes to find the answers we seek.

With each new poster I pray they have some little bit of info that can help. I appreciate all who read and post here and elsewhere. It takes a lot to sort through some of the threads. I apologize for this long [and probably incoherent to some] post. I am just at a loss as to what to try next. JMO

[SaraSidle]

I think we all have our reason's for suspecting what may have happened to Tara and who may be guilty. We are here each and every day trying to find that one little connector that will help find her. There have been many theories and many many diversions, arguments etc. Yet we still try to keep Tara's name and case out in the publics eye. We pray that someone who knows or suspects they know what happened will come forward out of the sheer knowledge that they could possibly put an end to the grief that her family is going through. The horror of the not knowing whether she could be alive or not. The endless nightmares of the terrible things that may have happened to their loved one.

I have seen and read many things about Tara and her life. She seemed to have had it all on the outside but on the inside she desperately needed something she didn't have. Above all else she was human and made her share of mistakes. She was and is loved by many who never had the chance to meet or get to know her. Many people have asked and begged for information on her, we have tried to encourage anyone who may know something to please come forward, yet there is silence from those who may be able to help. What else can we do? Giving up is not an option for most of us because she deserves justice. If she is alive thats great then let us know and she can continue wherever she is. If she isn't alive then the person who did this or someone who suspects them should come to the front and tell what they know. It is much easier to be a coward than a hero but the hero can look at themselves and know they are just and right. The coward just sits and tries to convince themselves that they are just and right, but GOD knows which is which. And in the end that is all that matters.

I don't know HD is guilty of harming Tara. I do know he did many suspicious things that weekend. I do know he has refused to give any statements for the public to allay our suspicions so we may move on from him. I do wonder how he reconciles his behavior that weekend and afterward to himself and his loved ones. I do wonder how those close to him can read our questions and not think he needs to do something to help us. He seemed to be so close to Tara yet when she vanished he disappeared into the woodwork, no longer the "close friend" I guess. How do you stop caring? How do you just see someone you supposedly loved vanish and just drop it and act like she never existed? Such a cold and unfeeling way to act in my opinion.

I have emailed every crime reporter I could find. I have begged for info from anyone I could. No one seems to want to ask the hard questions. No one seems to want to keep Tara in the forefront. A lot of us are here on these and other boards for Hours each day. Yet we seem to get no closer to an answer. I seriously don't know what else to do. If anyone can point me in a direction please do. I will do anything it takes to find the answers we seek.

With each new poster I pray they have some little bit of info that can help. I appreciate all who read and post here and elsewhere. It takes a lot to sort through some of the threads. I apologize for this long [and probably incoherent to some] post. I am just at a loss as to what to try next. JMO

susie that is absolutely outstanding and I think it applies to all of us. Thank you and it was very coherent.

[Its just me]

The following is my personal opinion. HD knows how a criminal case has to be made. He knows evidence uncovered through proper investigative processes are all that can be used or matter. He's a Captain. He knows without the right evidence no office will go forward to prosecute any individual. Much less an officer of the law.

He has got to know he is a person of interest "unofficially" and he volunteers nothing. No POI is going to volunteer information about their whereabouts if what they were doing "could be" circumstantial and not in favorable light. Any guilty POI would make the state "Make the case" against them. I don't think HD has any fears right now. He knows this case is convoluted and crazy and he knows why. If he is guilty, he won't be the first silent POI to eventually have his house of cards crumble. Truth can come out, justice can happen.

One of these days I can only hope they locate Tara. Wherever she is should provide the piece required to move forward. In the meantime I am distressed that there isn't anything more solid to move forward on. Searches cost money and are labor intensive. Two years later, should Tara be off the beaten path in Pulaski County what would be left to find? I guess it depends what was done to her.

I don't have anyone else on my radar as loud as HD and it took a long to come to that conclusion. He made it a difficult task, but still at this time, without more actual evidence he is innocent until proven he did otherwise.

I completely share your opinion in the entire post. Good job writing it and what I put in red stands out the most. I think this is common knowledge for all of us discussing HD on the boards but its important for those who are reading to know. Thanks fep

[Its just me]

susie that is absolutely outstanding and I think it applies to all of us. Thank you and it was very coherent.

I agree Sara, Thanks Susie for this very coherent post that explains how you and many of us feel. I say the same for this post its good for the public to know how we feel. Thanks fep

[susie31023]

Sara and Feppy thank you for your kind words. I believe each and every missing person deserves to be found and to have justice done for them. I believe each unnamed victim deserves to have their name back and justice done for them.

It wasn't until I started following Tara's case that I realized just how many families are grieving. Just how many parents, spouses, sons and daughters who are doing just what we are doing for Tara. Begging for justice. How anyone who knows the answers can just sit silently by and not tell what they know is the cruelest thing they may ever do to another human being. I honestly wonder how they can sleep or function knowing they are causing untold anguish to the families. I could never live with myself in that situation. JMO

[SaraSidle]

Sara and Feppy thank you for your kind words. I believe each and every missing person deserves to be found and to have justice done for them. I believe each unnamed victim deserves to have their name back and justice done for them.

It wasn't until I started following Tara's case that I realized just how many families are grieving. Just how many parents, spouses, sons and daughters who are doing just what we are doing for Tara. Begging for justice. How anyone who knows the answers can just sit silently by and not tell what they know is the cruelest thing they may ever do to another human being. I honestly wonder how they can sleep or function knowing they are causing untold anguish to the families. I could never live with myself in that situation. JMO

This is definely the worst part. Before I signed up here I had no idea about missing and murdered people with no suspects. It is horrifying and I feel so much for the families. I know exactly how you feel susie...IMO

[Its just me]

Sara and Feppy thank you for your kind words. I believe each and every missing person deserves to be found and to have justice done for them. I believe each unnamed victim deserves to have their name back and justice done for them.

It wasn't until I started following Tara's case that I realized just how many families are grieving. Just how many parents, spouses, sons and daughters who are doing just what we are doing for Tara. Begging for justice. How anyone who knows the answers can just sit silently by and not tell what they know is the cruelest thing they may ever do to another human being. I honestly wonder how they can sleep or function knowing they are causing untold anguish to the families. I could never live with myself in that situation. JMO


I found Tara's boards after they had been going for a while searching for something else and I got to reading and joined up..it was at a crucial time in my life because I had lost my son Mark who was also 30 in July before Tara went missing in Oct. Since I have come across many people who have lost loved ones and followed some of the other missing persons cases being discussed. It horrible losing a child but I can only imagine how bad it is not knowing what happened or in Tara's case not even knowing where she is. It certainly opened my eyes that there are people in worse shape than I was/am in. I'm not the brightest but I have sense enough to know I will not be responsible for solving this case but I care enough to do what I can and that is to help a message board stay active keeping things as near to the truth as possible and talk to anyone local that I come in contact with in hopes of learning something. That is all I can do along with supporting Tara and her family with thoughts and prayers because I truly do care and I truly want justice to prevail wherever it comes from. And if that never happens in a court room like we want and are working for I believe with all my being to the point of Knowing that if someone harmed Tara they will dearly pay in someway. Its just the way things work and it has been proven over and over thru out time. fep

[susie31023]

I found Tara's boards after they had been going for a while searching for something else and I got to reading and joined up..it was at a crucial time in my life because I had lost my son Mark who was also 30 in July before Tara went missing in Oct. Since I have come across many people who have lost loved ones and followed some of the other missing persons cases being discussed. It horrible losing a child but I can only imagine how bad it is not knowing what happened or in Tara's case not even knowing where she is. It certainly opened my eyes that there are people in worse shape than I was/am in. I'm not the brightest but I have sense enough to know I will not be responsible for solving this case but I care enough to do what I can and that is to help a message board stay active keeping things as near to the truth as possible and talk to anyone local that I come in contact with in hopes of learning something. That is all I can do along with supporting Tara and her family with thoughts and prayers because I truly do care and I truly want justice to prevail wherever it comes from. And if that never happens in a court room like we want and are working for I believe with all my being to the point of Knowing that if someone harmed Tara they will dearly pay in someway. Its just the way things work and it has been proven over and over thru out time. fep

Bumping Feppy's post in hopes of starting the discussion again.

[SaraSidle]

And if that never happens in a court room like we want and are working for I believe with all my being to the point of Knowing that if someone harmed Tara they will dearly pay in someway. Its just the way things work and it has been proven over and over thru out time. fep


Fep I have seen this happen more times than I can count in my life. I do not know if it is karma or not but you are so right.

Thanks Susie

[minga]

And if that never happens in a court room like we want and are working for I believe with all my being to the point of Knowing that if someone harmed Tara they will dearly pay in someway. Its just the way things work and it has been proven over and over thru out time. fep


Fep I have seen this happen more times than I can count in my life. I do not know if it is karma or not but you are so right.

Thanks Susie


Thanks for bringing this back up. Paraphrasing a friend (I don't know if she posts on this board), if Tara is going to be found we have to keep the heat up. No one else is doing it. At least that's part what I walked away with from her post.

[susie31023]

Thanks for bringing this back up. Paraphrasing a friend (I don't know if she posts on this board), if Tara is going to be found we have to keep the heat up. No one else is doing it. At least that's part what I walked away with from her post.

Minga, I sometimes think if we don't keep Tara in the front as much as we can that no one will. So I have decided to try and keep this thread going for as long as we can.

Does anyone know if the young person who said they saw Tara going through Ocilla on Sunday was ever named or not. Also if there was ever any substantiation to their claim? Just trying to narrow down any info I can. JMO

[SaraSidle]

Minga, I sometimes think if we don't keep Tara in the front as much as we can that no one will. So I have decided to try and keep this thread going for as long as we can.

Does anyone know if the young person who said they saw Tara going through Ocilla on Sunday was ever named or not. Also if there was ever any substantiation to their claim? Just trying to narrow down any info I can. JMO

I have not heard that one at all susie.

[SaraSidle]

Minga, I sometimes think if we don't keep Tara in the front as much as we can that no one will. So I have decided to try and keep this thread going for as long as we can.

Does anyone know if the young person who said they saw Tara going through Ocilla on Sunday was ever named or not. Also if there was ever any substantiation to their claim? Just trying to narrow down any info I can. JMO

You know susie I am sure you know more than I do about this case but I still wonder if Tara disappeared for good Saturday night since her dog was left out all night. I was just wondering. I also am curious as to why she left cash in the car and if that was something she did often. IMO

[minga]

You know susie I am sure you know more than I do about this case but I still wonder if Tara disappeared for good Saturday night since her dog was left out all night. I was just wondering. I also am curious as to why she left cash in the car and if that was something she did often. IMO

I haven't found where anyone is certain why the cash was in the car. After much speculation the most reasonable assumption seems to be that one of the girls at the pageant paid Tara back while they were there. Tara was known to have helped students when they couldn't afford things for various reasons.

[SaraSidle]

I haven't found where anyone is certain why the cash was in the car. After much speculation the most reasonable assumption seems to be that one of the girls at the pageant paid Tara back while they were there. Tara was known to have helped students when they couldn't afford things for various reasons.

good point minga. I had not thought of that.

[The R]

I haven't found where anyone is certain why the cash was in the car. After much speculation the most reasonable assumption seems to be that one of the girls at the pageant paid Tara back while they were there. Tara was known to have helped students when they couldn't afford things for various reasons.

I can't figure out why cash in the car would be relevant? Never have seen the importance of it. Is it indicative she was trying to leave on her own? :confused:

ALLMO,
R

[zorro]

I can't figure out why cash in the car would be relevant? Never have seen the importance of it. Is it indicative she was trying to leave on her own? :confused:

ALLMO,
R

I was told by the family that the money was the same amount as what Tara had withdrawn from the bank a few days before she disappeared. I was also told that Tara kept cash in her car in case of emergencies because of all of the driving she did (driving to class in Waycross and Tifton; trips to Valdosta and Hawkinsville). This was given as a reason why it was unusual for Tara's car not to be locked.

[zorro]

Minga, I sometimes think if we don't keep Tara in the front as much as we can that no one will. So I have decided to try and keep this thread going for as long as we can.

Does anyone know if the young person who said they saw Tara going through Ocilla on Sunday was ever named or not. Also if there was ever any substantiation to their claim? Just trying to narrow down any info I can. JMO
Sussie good question. I've never heard a follow-up on the kid that saw her car on Sunday. I think this article came out in Dec 05. I wonder if the "recovery agent" found the witness and when the witness was found? Wasn't Tara's neighborhood heavily canvassed by LE and searchers in the first couple weeks? For those reasons I have never put much credence in the sightings but like you, I would like to know more about the sightings.

"Authorities have so far believed that that Tara vanished no later than Sunday morning. But one of the new witnesses, a source said, claimed that they had seen Tara 's car leave her carport Sunday morning and return Sunday afternoon. And the teenaged boy has reportedly told investigators that he saw Tara driving through town on Sunday afternoon."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0601_tara_grinstead_sighting2.html

[One2Snoop]

I was told by the family that the money was the same amount as what Tara had withdrawn from the bank a few days before she disappeared. I was also told that Tara kept cash in her car in case of emergencies because of all of the driving she did (driving to class in Waycross and Tifton; trips to Valdosta and Hawkinsville). This was given as a reason why it was unusual for Tara's car not to be locked.

For some reason I thought no one knew where the money came from? Thanks for the info zorro.

[SaraSidle]

I am wondering if the POI that drove Tara away from the house in her car and did not take the money that POI knew her and it was not a robbery!. IMO

[One2Snoop]

I can't figure out why cash in the car would be relevant? Never have seen the importance of it. Is it indicative she was trying to leave on her own? :confused:

ALLMO,
R

I agree - the amount was to small for someone to live off of for any period of time, if indeed they'd chosen to go into hiding.

[One2Snoop]

I am wondering if the POI that drove Tara away from the house in her car and did not take the money that POI knew her and it was not a robbery!. IMO

No one knows if the POI drove her car. You're correct though, it wasn't a robbery because the money was still there. I strongly believe whoever took her knew her quite well. JMO.

[SaraSidle]

No one knows if the POI drove her car. You're correct though, it wasn't a robbery because the money was still there. I strongly believe whoever took her knew her quite well. JMO.

ITA I was just ruling out robbery. That was the only thing I thought about when I heard there was cash in the car. Nothing more R and One2Snoop. IMO

[minga]

I was told by the family that the money was the same amount as what Tara had withdrawn from the bank a few days before she disappeared. I was also told that Tara kept cash in her car in case of emergencies because of all of the driving she did (driving to class in Waycross and Tifton; trips to Valdosta and Hawkinsville). This was given as a reason why it was unusual for Tara's car not to be locked.


I'd forgotten that Zorro. But in this day and age of the debit card, cash is irrelevant and dangerous almost. Almost every place under the sun now takes debit cards. I rarely keep cash.

[SaraSidle]

I'd forgotten that Zorro. But in this day and age of the debit card, cash is irrelevant and dangerous almost. Almost every place under the sun now takes debit cards. I rarely keep cash.


Hi Minga, I do the same thing. I always carry cards but never cash. But I know people who do. My husband always does.

The are being unlocked and the seat pushed all the way back still really bothers me. I would really like to know the why and how. IMO

[The R]

I was told by the family that the money was the same amount as what Tara had withdrawn from the bank a few days before she disappeared. I was also told that Tara kept cash in her car in case of emergencies because of all of the driving she did (driving to class in Waycross and Tifton; trips to Valdosta and Hawkinsville). This was given as a reason why it was unusual for Tara's car not to be locked.

Got any idea if she brought a lot of stuff home from Fitzgerald that Sat nite? I'm usually careful about locking my car too but sometimes when I bring home an armful of stuff I either forget to lock my car or have too much stuff to carry to be able to.

ALLMO,
R

[The R]

Got any idea if she brought a lot of stuff home from Fitzgerald that Sat nite? I'm usually careful about locking my car too but sometimes when I bring home an armful of stuff I either forget to lock my car or have too much stuff to carry to be able to.

ALLMO,
R

just a bump for Zorro!

Thanks,
R

[Lindsey]

Hi Minga, I do the same thing. I always carry cards but never cash. But I know people who do. My husband always does.

The are being unlocked and the seat pushed all the way back still really bothers me. I would really like to know the why and how. IMO

What I would really like to know is, were the car mirrors adjusted for a tall person? If a taller person drove Tara's car, they would have adjusted the mirrors as well as the seat.

IMO

[SaraSidle]

What I would really like to know is, were the car mirrors adjusted for a tall person? If a taller person drove Tara's car, they would have adjusted the mirrors as well as the seat.

IMO

Good point. Some people do not always adjust the mirrors but most do. I have not read anything in the threads and posts but I have not read all of them either. IMO

[zorro]

What I would really like to know is, were the car mirrors adjusted for a tall person? If a taller person drove Tara's car, they would have adjusted the mirrors as well as the seat.

IMO
Very nice to see you Lindsey, it has been a long time, good to have your valuable input.

Yes that would be good to know about the mirrors. I have never heard it.

[lighthousedazy]

Very nice to see you Lindsey, it has been a long time, good to have your valuable input.

Yes that would be good to know about the mirrors. I have never heard it.True. I'm 5'5", my husband is 5'11". I always have to readjust the mirrors when he has driven my car too. I drive with the seat pretty close up but I push it back a little when I get out. Welcome back Lindsey. :)

[susie31023]

True. I'm 5'5", my husband is 5'11". I always have to readjust the mirrors when he has driven my car too. I drive with the seat pretty close up but I push it back a little when I get out. Welcome back Lindsey. :)

Hi LD, I'm 5'1''
try to get away with saying I'm 5'4'', LOL. I always drive kinda close to the steering wheel, but when I get out I always push the seat back. Not sure why just a habit I guess. I agree with the mirror adjustment though. I think most men automatically adjust them when they get in a vehicle. I think most of the men in Tara's life were on the large size so I think it would be done without thinking about it.

I have read it was Mr.P who put the seat back so all of this could be irrelevant. I believe that Tara was picked up or taken in the perps vehicle though. FWIW, the things that we have found out leads me to this conclusion. I very well could be wrong but, I think if Tara was going to be driving she would have taken her phone.Just in case anything happened. Even if it was low battery I'm sure she would have had a car charger.JMO

[Maybaby59]

Hi LD, I'm 5'1''
try to get away with saying I'm 5'4'', LOL. I always drive kinda close to the steering wheel, but when I get out I always push the seat back. Not sure why just a habit I guess. I agree with the mirror adjustment though. I think most men automatically adjust them when they get in a vehicle. I think most of the men in Tara's life were on the large size so I think it would be done without thinking about it.

I have read it was Mr.P who put the seat back so all of this could be irrelevant. I believe that Tara was picked up or taken in the perps vehicle though. FWIW, the things that we have found out leads me to this conclusion. I very well could be wrong but, I think if Tara was going to be driving she would have taken her phone.Just in case anything happened. Even if it was low battery I'm sure she would have had a car charger.JMO

Susie, that's a good point about Tara taking her cell phone if she was driving her own car...I've used mine many times when the battery was low by talking while it was hooked to the charger...I tend to believe that she left willingly with someone she knew and didn't think she'd need her phone at the time...

JMHO

[susie31023]

Susie, that's a good point about Tara taking her cell phone if she was driving her own car...I've used mine many times when the battery was low by talking while it was hooked to the charger...I tend to believe that she left willingly with someone she knew and didn't think she'd need her phone at the time...

JMHO

MB, I have also used mine while hooked to the charger. In my opinion she would take it if she were driving alone at night just in case. You never know when a flat tire or some such could happen and I know as a female I would feel safer taking the phone.

Now that being said, I do think it was someone she trusted and thought she wouldn't need it. I may very well be wrong but I think after she left things went sour quickly and she had no time to react. I don't think there was a struggle in the home. If there had been she knew all she had to do was to scream and the neighbors being so close could hear her. Also if she were taken against her will I think she would have fought and possibly have left a clue. Tara by all accounts was a very intelligent young lady. No offense but I think she was very capable of manipulating people. Maybe she thought she could handle the situation if she went with the perp.

Sadly there are as many theories as there are people to provide them. I would love to find out she is alive and well but sadly I don't think she is. All we can do is keep her name in the media[ not sure how since no one seems interested] and keep praying that someone will come forward with the piece of evidence LE needs to find her. JMO