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gacountry

08-23-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by guitarstring

Just as others have pointed out, this is incorrect and should be noted as such, if for no other reason other than to set the record straight. This is important whether some realize it or not.

Also, we can infer from gacountry's recall that she honestly felt that 10/22 was the DAY we should "remember the way you felt..." and remember "that determination you had to find this young woman." It's obvious she was mistaken and just has poor recall on the "way" we felt on that date (which was NOTHING on 10/22 because that's not the date ANYBODY knew ANYTHING.)

I'm sure gacountry realized her mistake by using the word "reported" instead of the words LAST SEEN, but nonetheless, it is a big deal when someone gets anything WRONG and it should be corrected right away, as it was.

If the date of 10/22 was used on any flyer anywhere, it was making reference to the last date she was known to have been seen.

But the way gacountry worded her post, she obviously interpreted this as the date she was reported missing.

I guess it could be an honest mistake, but with her being so close to the family and being so involved in this case, it just seems a little puzzling for her to get the reported missing date wrong.

And I did show in my post that all the "offical" poster and or flyers had this date of the 22nd on them. And I might add if we want to get all records right I would think you might want to go to the GBI "offical" site and get that date corected also. Well since the links I posted are gone today I will post this:
Narrative:

On October 22, 2005 at 8:50 a.m. the Ocilla Police Department responded to a missing person report made by coworkers at the Irwin County High School and neighbors. They were concerned because Tara did not show up for work and they were unable to make contact with her. The last known contact was on 10/22/2005 at approximately 11:00 p.m. There is no known description of her clothing. Her car is parked in the driveway of her residence. Her house was locked and the only items that appear to be missing are her purse and keys.

Any information please contact GBI Agent Dominic Turner or Detective Bill Barrs at (229)468-7494.
Back to Missing Persons

Now as to my relationship with the family might I ask you what that matters?
Thank you for the corrections, I was making posters to go up and as I stated the date Oct.22, 2005 was the date shown. I still think that will be the day I will remember for as far as I knows that was the last time she was seen.

gacountry

08-23-2006, 03:44 PM

ancient relic

My son has never meet Tara, after graduation he went away to school. After he earned his Masters he worked for the Government and only returned here recently. I made a point to ask him just for you! You reckon it was another case of mistaken idenity?

As to your other questions, Yes I own land in Irwin County, Yes my husband owns land in Irwin County, and we have some Estate Land in Irwin County.

I can't remember your other questions BUT if you will just voice them to LE or GBI I will gladly answer them.

Now as to my post or answers to post on any other board~~This is America and according to the rules of those other boards I have done nothing wrong. And when I was still on TT I noted Much Worse post there. I have an idea! You go to TT and I will go to CB and we can continue to meet and bore everyone here! Deal?
And as to whom "WhatsWhat" is~~~~go ask her.

Oh and I like this new nic. its so you.
Peace and Poof

You never answered my inquiry about your son knowing Tara.

Is the poster "WHATSWHAT" really a relative of Tara's?

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luvmy2labpups

08-23-2006, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by ancient relic
Looks like you and your friends on the psychic website did a pretty good of trashing even in the midst of your heartfelt feelings, imo
Is the poster "WHATSWHAT" really a relative of Tara's?

[/B] LMAO I have posted here once in 7 days and I am still their topic of conversation? That is very sad! Their interest is far far away from Tara, but that's ok we at Talk Tara will keep plugging right along trying to find out what happened to Tara while others remain more interested in bashing posters rather then worrying about Tara. Kudos to Talk Tara for providing a forum where TARA is the main concern.

Back to the topic at hand TARA! Does anybody know if she was dating anbody in her grad school classes?

ancient relic

08-23-2006, 04:51 PM

I am not a member at Talk Tara. I signed up months ago and never got in. Are you calling me an ancient relic? I merely pointed out that you trash talk as much as anyone but proclaim it as supporting Tara's family for some reason. I sit back and enjoy the hypocrisy. If Tara did leave of her own choosing, I can see why she won't return. The disturbing "Anita G Show" has really made many people open their eyes. I hope Tara is reading. Please please please call SOMEONE and say you are well to put an end to this nightmarish display.

Originally posted by gacountry
And as to whom "WhatsWhat" is~~~~go ask her.

Oh and I like this new nic. its so you.
Peace and Poof

BFD - v2.0

08-23-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by ancient relic
Looks like you and your friends on the psychic website did a pretty good of trashing even in the midst of your heartfelt feelings, imo

Just replying to your post because of it's content. I'm fully aware that you aren't the author of what I'm going to respond to.

Negative poster?

Wow!

I'm one of the people who thinks Tara is alive. I don't know how much more optimistic I can be.

Though I can be negative towards particular posters that rub me the wrong way by insisting certain person(s) are responsible for Tara's alleged death without one single solitary piece of evidence to back that assertion up. (Nor any evidence to show Tara is dead.)

And to be quite honest, I've yet to get really negative, nasty or rude. But I do have the capabilities.

luvmy2labpups

08-23-2006, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Just replying to your post because of it's content. I'm fully aware that you aren't the author of what I'm going to respond to.

Negative poster?

Wow!

I'm one of the people who thinks Tara is alive. I don't know how much more optimistic I can be.

Though I can be negative towards particular posters that rub me the wrong way by insisting certain person(s) are responsible for Tara's alleged death without one single solitary piece of evidence to back that assertion up. (Nor any evidence to show Tara is dead.)

And to be quite honest, I've yet to get really negative, nasty or rude. But I do have the capabilities.

I had to laugh when I first read it because I couldn't determine if "whatswhat" was saying GACountrys pink fluffy ARSE was hanging all the way down to her pink fluffy socks. It struck me really funny. Oh well, I guess I am easily amused. :lol:

fsbiii

08-23-2006, 05:29 PM

Negative poster children = those who disagree with Anita Gattis? I like seeing my handle in such good company on that list, "whatswhat." If I were a betting man, I'd say those people are probably the ones who irk you the most because you can't control them--which means they are doing something right.

It's strange how now it's TalkTara and the Court-TV forums that are in the wrong. I guess the only 'fair place' to post now is the psychic's messageboard?

Color me confused, but I think it might be the other way around.

Maybe more of the "believers" will figure that out before it's too late. Open discussion about every issue is critical. There's no time for secret agendas and private messages forbidding topics (and persons) of discussion.

Just my dollar minus 98 pennies.

concernedperson

08-23-2006, 06:41 PM

I agree fsbiii, open discussion is the only way to proceed. Even if we had a few more facts there would still be discussion...pros and cons. Nothing is a slam dunk anymore. If people couldn't discern for themselves then think what a mockery our justice system or, more specifically, our jury system would be. Sure, jurors don't always follow the opinion polls, but for the most part it works.

CTV and TT allow one to discuss a case...any case...and all the possibilities. The only thing disallowed is attacks on posters for expressing an opinion.

The right to express an opinion is importent. It is what this country is based on.

There are no sacred cows in an abduction, murder or missing person case.

jond

08-23-2006, 07:59 PM

CTV is the only truly neutral board...that is due to the CTV moderators and the lack of a "majority view" controls the content and the poster. There is no way the discussions here could take place elsewhere. It is obvious to all there are two camps and these groups just meet here on occassion.

fsbiii

08-23-2006, 08:19 PM

Just to be clear, you are a member of the Carla Baron site, though, right? I wanna make sure the "camp" meeting participants are all labeled and have the right stickers on their shirts when they come here on occasion.

Talk Tara lets the chips fall where they may, and people can debate there with respect. When people harass others and/or lie about things for some strange reason, they are dealt with accordingly. The discussions on CTV can often place at Talk Tara easily--not counting the nic attacks and the revolving door antics of a certain few.

Originally posted by jond
CTV is the only truly neutral board...that is due to the CTV moderators and the lack of a "majority view" controls the content and the poster. There is no way the discussions here could take place elsewhere. It is obvious to all there are two camps and these groups just meet here on occassion.

jond

08-23-2006, 08:25 PM

Yes, with 3 or 4 posts there and a former member of TT with 28 or so. I believe I have been consistent in my position on this board and those boards. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I do not have much of a following.

BFD - v2.0

08-23-2006, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Undertaker
Just to set the record straight for everyone who is confused, can you please explain the relationship between "what happened to Tara" and the dancing bananas, references to condoms, smiley faces showing their bare butts, etc.etc.etc. that are rampant on Talk Tara??? Can you explain the threads devoted to finding out the identity of a teacher who posts on another forum??? Can you explain the threads devoted to harassing others and the intricate plans discussed therein???? Can you explain why, when you go to TalkTara, you must agree to an arbitration clause??? And why the Admin has so many names? Why????Something's "hinky" about TalkTara. Really, really "hinky"..... Makes a person in authority really really really wonder what the motive of TalkTara is.....

Hmmmmm.....

And a person in authority would have the ability to find out if they wanted.

luvmy2labpups

08-24-2006, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Undertaker
SNIPPED TO REMOVE CHILDISH COMMENTS

"..... Makes a person in authority really really really wonder what the motive of TalkTara is.....

Hmmmmm..... I get the distinct impression from this last statement that you are attempting to imply that you are someone in authority. Fortunately, the rest of your post allowed me to see that you are nowhere close to anything in authority. When the GBI begins to worry about banana icons then we have a problem. Until such time as the GBI issues a press release stating that banana icons are suspect and anybody that uses such shall be subjected to further questions, I will move along to the important issue at hand...TARA.

PNut

08-24-2006, 09:18 AM

Hey, Undertaker, you forgot people that type in aqua - THEY should really raise your hinky meter too. Or what about pink cloud icons??? :eek: sceeeerriiieeeeee

If those things over on TT bother you so - then DON'T GO THERE.

gagal

08-24-2006, 01:05 PM

:cuss: Havent been posting in awhile due to work and moving. I just gotta say, I can't believe how nutty some of these folks are. I have followed this case for a long time and have never seen people as petty and childish. On the CB board you've got this guy that comes out of nowhere and attaches himself to the family. GACountry, I think your heart is in the right place, but all that kissy kissy country grandma stuff with a perfect stranger is weird and really scares me for you. I read about his atv accident and found it odd when someone (teens for tara or something) came on to post about how they hated to leave him or something to that effect...Is he using the TARA sitution as a dating opp.? Keep working hard, but be more careful. There are alot of good people out there that are helping in anyway they can. They just dont happen to live in the same county as tara. Could you load up and drive to Atlanta everyweekend to search for someone? I couldnt! Just stop judging. Just because your little group states something doesnt make it so!:no:

luvmy2labpups

08-24-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Undertaker
I don't believe I mentioned the GBI taking issue with dancing bananas did I? I merely pointed out the absurd antics at the website devoted to "finding Tara", and asked what all that had to do with anything. Someone before me mentioned how devoted they were. I was disagreeing due to the silliness that goes on, the behind the scenes harassment, that sort of thing. I don't think any of those things have anything to do with finding Tara. JMHO but shared by others. Time to step away from the screen when you become bothered by a dancing banana icon. :shrug:

PNut

08-24-2006, 02:22 PM

Undertaker - just a little hint - if you think TT doesn't have anything to help find Tara, and has so much silliness - then most definately do NOT go to the Carla Baron site - she has ZILCH to do with finding Tara - and neither do her groupies. And behind the scenes harrassment - runs rampant on CB's site - so much so, it seems to spill over here.

JMHO

BroadwayJoe

08-24-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Time to step away from the screen when you become bothered by a dancing banana icon. :shrug:
Where are the dancing bananas? Did I miss something? I want to see some dancing bananas.

fsbiii

08-24-2006, 03:09 PM

We use them at Talk Tara a lot. Just a symbol of humor, often appears on Fridays. You can't stop him once he gets going either. Google him for a visual. Or log in at Talk Tara if you can... he's quite a sight.

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Where are the dancing bananas? Did I miss something? I want to see some dancing bananas.

PNut

08-24-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Undertaker

Never been there. Should I check it out?

By all means, yes, check it out. I think you'll fit right in, being an Undertaker and all. :D

BroadwayJoe

08-24-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
We use them at Talk Tara a lot. Just a symbol of humor, often appears on Fridays. You can't stop him once he gets going either. Google him for a visual. Or log in at Talk Tara if you can... he's quite a sight.

Thank you, I'll do that.

jond

08-25-2006, 09:14 PM

Results, Friday night again for us. I have no answer for HD. MH for quite some time has been a nonissue for most other than those who choose to resurrect his name ( not you ) as a rationale for bringing others into the mix. IjI do not even think of MH untiol his name is brought up by some. IMO, AG pointed at MH out of a pure emotional reacton....he was the last significant boyfriend, perhaps TG told her of their past or present events, truth or lie, and again, IMO, a victim's family wants an answer and he was at the top of the list. My position is the Ga and Gr family owe nothing to this board, why should they even attempt to answer all the speculation and gossip. I may be the only one on this board with the position that the Ga and Gr can add no direct evidence to this matter, they are not witnesses to that night, that they are in a position they did not ask for. To the point, the Ga and Gr can not give what is wanted by many on the board...other than to comment on irrelevant and wild speculation.

BroadwayJoe

08-25-2006, 10:01 PM

Its just me

08-25-2006, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by jond
Results, Friday night again for us. I have no answer for HD. MH for quite some time has been a nonissue for most other than those who choose to resurrect his name ( not you ) as a rationale for bringing others into the mix. IjI do not even think of MH untiol his name is brought up by some. IMO, AG pointed at MH out of a pure emotional reacton....he was the last significant boyfriend, perhaps TG told her of their past or present events, truth or lie, and again, IMO, a victim's family wants an answer and he was at the top of the list. My position is the Ga and Gr family owe nothing to this board, why should they even attempt to answer all the speculation and gossip. I may be the only one on this board with the position that the Ga and Gr can add no direct evidence to this matter, they are not witnesses to that night, that they are in a position they did not ask for. To the point, the Ga and Gr can not give what is wanted by many on the board...other than to comment on irrelevant and wild speculation.

Jond, with not disrespect for Tara's sister and I give her the benefit of the day when she asked MH the question. When tragedy strickes it is sometime so emotional one may be in a state of shock. Ga must know something that the public does not know about MHarper's involvement with this case becuse she continues on the same path. The haunted evidence movie may have been sincere to some but for me it was a laughing joke. Contrary to what is stated there was much discussion between Carla B and Anita before the show aired. A. Gatis was even warned on the cb board about flooding cb email to the point it colapsed. I don't know what every one got from the movie but I saw a straight arrow pointed at M. Harper. There has also been BrianPrediction.com involved in and it also suggested in a round about way that it was M.Harper. I do know A.Gatis was in contact with him after his reading and reading a few things between the lines I have my doubts if she was not in contact with him before his prediction. JMHOO According to what has been said A Gatis caused much confussion in the town of Ocilla simply becasue some did not buy her theory that M.Harper is the perp. This is a small town of approx 3000 people and there probably are dear friends that have been hurt to the core by one of their dearest friends and A. Gatis is the backbone of it all. Facts are hard to take but the truth will stand. A.Gatis may not owe this board any answers but she should search her heart to see if she possibly owes some to M.Harper, his family and some of the people of Ocilla Georgia. I have said what is only MHO and I'm not really interested in any non intellegent responses. I don't mean this to be cruel but some would be much more productive if they stood behind the door somewhere and picked their noses instead of acting like children who will argue with each other over something as simple as red vs orange. Some posters appear so childlike that will pick every sentence someone post until it no longer resembles what was orginial posted. Each of you are as important as the other if you are willing to respond in an adult fashion and act like you have gone beyond 3rd grade. If there is a post you disagree with I challenge you to grow up and offer your opinion with more intellect than what I have read in the past. I happen to agree with every word posted by results he/she appears to truely want to find what happened to Tara.

Its just me

08-26-2006, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Results
You guys are right that the Family doesn't owe us anything but they do owe Tara. If they don't need the public's help then it will be the first missing person case that doesn't need that. I realize that this family has not made a plea to anyone who may have Tara in the media which is not normal for a missing person case. Their actions are strange to me. I'm not here for the family. I'm here for Tara and I will continue to search for the truth in hopes that we can bring Tara home. If you think that makes me a bad person....then so be it because I'm not here for you either. JMHO

In reading all the post I deeply appreciate your concern for Tara and the time you have spend digging for the truth and believe all others who are sincere will say the same. A
:rose: because you want the truth.

Hey Paula

08-26-2006, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Results

Thank you! Some times I feel like the whole world is against me because I won't accept anything less than the truth. At times I think what is the use and then I remember, Tara is worth fighting for. I don't know if Tara is alive or not. I hope that she is. If she is not I don't care who did it ..... I want justice for Tara. I wished that some posters would realize that I'm not picking on the Family. The problem I have is the changing of stories. This is the spokesperson for Tara and if she gives out false information then what are we suppose to believe. This caos that has been created leans me to believe more and more each day there is something HINKY over there! I stand by what I believe.....the truth will lead us to Tara! JMHO

The only truth, which will lead us to Tara, is the REAL TRUTH [emphasis].

odette

08-26-2006, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Results

Thank you! Some times I feel like the whole world is against me because I won't accept anything less than the truth. At times I think what is the use and then I remember, Tara is worth fighting for. I don't know if Tara is alive or not. I hope that she is. If she is not I don't care who did it ..... I want justice for Tara. I wished that some posters would realize that I'm not picking on the Family. The problem I have is the changing of stories. This is the spokesperson for Tara and if she gives out false information then what are we suppose to believe. This caos that has been created leans me to believe more and more each day there is something HINKY over there! I stand by what I believe.....the truth will lead us to Tara! JMHO

Yes Results .. "the truth will lead us to Tara!"

"The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth".

Lindsey

08-26-2006, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

The only truth, which will lead us to Tara, is the REAL TRUTH [emphasis].

Yes! The REAL TRUTH is what we're looking for!! Now we're on the same page!

Its just me

08-26-2006, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by Results

Thank you! Some times I feel like the whole world is against me because I won't accept anything less than the truth. At times I think what is the use and then I remember, Tara is worth fighting for. I don't know if Tara is alive or not. I hope that she is. If she is not I don't care who did it ..... I want justice for Tara. I wished that some posters would realize that I'm not picking on the Family. The problem I have is the changing of stories. This is the spokesperson for Tara and if she gives out false information then what are we suppose to believe. This caos that has been created leans me to believe more and more each day there is something HINKY over there! I stand by what I believe.....the truth will lead us to Tara! JMHO

The ones who truly want Tara found are behind you and it takes much courage to continue when you take one step forward and get knocked two steps backwards by posters who are suppose to be on the same mission.

Hey Paula

08-26-2006, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by Lindsey

Yes! The REAL TRUTH is what we're looking for!! Now we're on the same page!

But none of us know what the real truth is. We cannot confuse real truth with our own speculations.

Lindsey

08-26-2006, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

But none of us know what the real truth is. We cannot confuse real truth with our own speculations.

I'm not confused and I'm sorry if you are. Sometimes speculation leads to discovery. Wouldn't that be wonderful??

Lindsey

08-26-2006, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by Results
Since we are all on the same page. Let no one stand in our way for the truth and let no on settle for less. We should take a stand against posters who claim they want this but try to change the subject when on a topic they are not comfortable with. Maybe some blinders will start being removed from their eyes!

I'm with you! Not to be derailed on our mission for the truth!!
:patriot:

Its just me

08-26-2006, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Lindsey

I'm with you! Not to be derailed on our mission for the truth!!
:patriot:

You all have my support. Tara is too important to sit back and later say. "If I had done this" or "If I had done that" Keep pushing forward. There are answers somewhere.

odette

08-26-2006, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by Its just me

You all have my support. Tara is too important to sit back and later say. "If I had done this" or "If I had done that" Keep pushing forward. There are answers somewhere.

Oh yes .. the answer to the question, "where is Tara?" is out there somewhere.

Someone , Somewhere , knows Something.

We will just have to keep on digging for the Truth.

jond

08-26-2006, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Its just me

Jond, with not disrespect for Tara's sister and I give her the benefit of the day when she asked MH the question. When tragedy strickes it is sometime so emotional one may be in a state of shock. Ga must know something that the public does not know about MHarper's involvement with this case becuse she continues on the same path. The haunted evidence movie may have been sincere to some but for me it was a laughing joke. Contrary to what is stated there was much discussion between Carla B and Anita before the show aired. A. Gatis was even warned on the cb board about flooding cb email to the point it colapsed. I don't know what every one got from the movie but I saw a straight arrow pointed at M. Harper. There has also been BrianPrediction.com involved in and it also suggested in a round about way that it was M.Harper. I do know A.Gatis was in contact with him after his reading and reading a few things between the lines I have my doubts if she was not in contact with him before his prediction. JMHOO According to what has been said A Gatis caused much confussion in the town of Ocilla simply becasue some did not buy her theory that M.Harper is the perp. This is a small town of approx 3000 people and there probably are dear friends that have been hurt to the core by one of their dearest friends and A. Gatis is the backbone of it all. Facts are hard to take but the truth will stand. A.Gatis may not owe this board any answers but she should search her heart to see if she possibly owes some to M.Harper, his family and some of the people of Ocilla Georgia. I have said what is only MHO and I'm not really interested in any non intellegent responses. I don't mean this to be cruel but some would be much more productive if they stood behind the door somewhere and picked their noses instead of acting like children who will argue with each other over something as simple as red vs orange. Some posters appear so childlike that will pick every sentence someone post until it no longer resembles what was orginial posted. Each of you are as important as the other if you are willing to respond in an adult fashion and act like you have gone beyond 3rd grade. If there is a post you disagree with I challenge you to grow up and offer your opinion with more intellect than what I have read in the past. I happen to agree with every word posted by results he/she appears to truely want to find what happened to Tara.

Please do not confuse my response to Results as a "3rd grade" attack with an opinion that may differ with your idea of how I should respond. What I posted is my take on this matter. Regarding apologies, I do hope many are extended after this case comes to close. Once again, I and others do not even broach the MH subject as it is a the past as far as I am concerned. Once again, it is my positon that the Ga and Gr family are not the linchpin in this case...it is hard for me to reconcile when posters ( not Results ) say AG is not a credible source then ask her to clear things up.

Its just me

08-26-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by jond

Please do not confuse my response to Results as a "3rd grade" attack with an opinion that may differ with your idea of how I should respond. What I posted is my take on this matter. Regarding apologies, I do hope many are extended after this case comes to close. Once again, I and others do not even broach the MH subject as it is a the past as far as I am concerned. Once again, it is my positon that the Ga and Gr family are not the linchpin in this case...it is hard for me to reconcile when posters ( not Results ) say AG is not a credible source then ask her to clear things up.

jond, please accept my humble apology. The 3rd grade remark was not intended for you, I can see where it looks that way, but that was not my thoughts as I was typing. I actually have not followed your post with as much interest as I have many others so to be very honest and with no disrespect I actually can't say I know where you stand on issues. Your post I replied to is plain that is not one of the 3rd graders I spoke of because I see no argument or picking every sentence to make results post into some type lie or create so much confusion the subject is lost in an idiotic mess. I have seen this happen several times by some posters, which can cause the whole thread to disappear that contains some good discussions. Considering the information I have read I do not rule out MH as being a person of interest but this case has many possibilities because there is little evidence and the trail is very broad. In the past 10 months several possible poi have been discussed but for some reason one of the last people to speak with Tara has not been discussed along with other issues with out some of the 3rd graders popping in. It is interesting to read when people are discussing any possibility that can lead to find Tara and if a poster fits in the third grade category they would be much more productive in this case to be behind the door. Again I apologize and after thoughts make me realize it would have been best if my post had not included your quote. With a sincere “I’m sorry”.

Babes

09-13-2006, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

But none of us know what the real truth is. We cannot confuse real truth with our own speculations.

The problem on this case is they ( friends, family, neighbors and etc) cannot UNITE to search for the TRUTH. Too many word wars , disagreement , rumors , favoritism that i think exist here. They dont want to open their ears, eyes , mind and heart for any possibilities on what happen to Tara.

Each camps have problems. They try to say their priority is to look for Tara but they dont want to see different angles of the case. Some sides dont want to talk about the possibilities that Larry Gattis or M Harper or RR, or HD or even Anita could be involved.

Unfortunately we are left with more speculations and side stories....Not until they find Tara's body then this case is getting colder IMO and i think this is what the person responsible for Tara's disappearance is waiting for....

Good Night.

Results

09-13-2006, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Babes

The problem on this case is they ( friends, family, neighbors and etc) cannot UNITE to search for the TRUTH. Too many word wars , disagreement , rumors , favoritism that i think exist here. They dont want to open their ears, eyes , mind and heart for any possibilities on what happen to Tara.

Each camps have problems. They try to say their priority is to look for Tara but they dont want to see different angles of the case. Some sides dont want to talk about the possibilities that Larry Gattis or M Harper or RR, or HD or even Anita could be involved.

Unfortunately we are left with more speculations and side stories....Not until they find Tara's body then this case is getting colder IMO and i think this is what the person responsible for Tara's disappearance is waiting for....

Good Night.

This is so true BUT who wants to believe that their husband, their brother, their son, their friend, their neighbor that they have became to know and love....who wants to believe that? NOONE! A poster, I can't remember who posted it, sent a note to the woman saying..We need the Sister hood....remember where your husbands, your brothers, your friends, and your neighbors were at that night. I disagreed with you on one thing though, I don't think they will find her body unless she is alive and she comes home or phones someone. My theory this was the whole point NEVER finding the body. I pray that I am wrong but I feel this maybe the case. JMHO

Khaos

09-13-2006, 10:37 AM

I absolutely agree. If Tara was murdered and I was the perp I would be sitting back rather comfortably. As long as a the town is divided the focus being on making tv shows, who is in control and bickering then I would feel out of the spot light. Sounds like from LE down there is no unity.

tiffanycw3

09-13-2006, 11:36 AM

So now, the question is (and has been) this:

WHO would have the intelligence, capabilities, courage, etc... to destroy and dispose of a body that no-one can locate. This is not an easy task. Think about the difficulty involved. This person is no dummy. I want so much to believe that we aren't speaking of "disposing" of Tara, but we are. I want her to be alive.

Khaos

09-13-2006, 11:53 AM

I believe anyone with average intelligence could seek, destroy and dispose. With that said that leads back to square one… it could be ANYBODY from family, friends or foe.

I, too, wish for nothing more then Tara to be alive and having checked out of her old life and started anew but sadly my heart says that isn’t what happened.

Results

09-13-2006, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by tiffanycw3
So now, the question is (and has been) this:

WHO would have the intelligence, capabilities, courage, etc... to destroy and dispose of a body that no-one can locate. This is not an easy task. Think about the difficulty involved. This person is no dummy. I want so much to believe that we aren't speaking of "disposing" of Tara, but we are. I want her to be alive.

Good points except who would have had the time to destroy and dispose of a body? I'm thinking more on a theory of one person and one location that she would never be found. If it was more than one person I would think it would have cracked by now. I'm almost positive one perp IF any perp. I wish she was alive too! I think most people that don't think she is alive is because what kind of person would do this? That has to be very hard for the ones that knew her and loved her. It would be easier to say she was killed and lets look for her body. It is hard to decide what happened. Not much to go on. IF she left then that would be pretty sorry what these POI and rumors have done to the people that she had contact with in her life. IF there is a perp and she was killed by accident or intentionally then I would most likely bank on one POI. JMHO

grandline

09-13-2006, 01:55 PM

What also frightens me is that if Tara was killed, her body might not have even been destroyed. Her remains could be anywhere, including outside of Irwin County. I think after nearly a year with no luck in Irwin, it's well beyond time to look elsewhere. JMHO.

I've heard of a few searches in neighboring Ben Hill County, but have there been any searches in Berrien County? It's a pretty quiet little place and rural as well. I certainly hope there have been searches outside of Irwin, for Tara's sake. :(

Elle_Woods

09-13-2006, 04:48 PM

It is a terrifying thought about someone completely destroying a victim's body, but I'm afraid possibly more common than we can imagine and would explain why sometimes people are never found. Just this year we heard that's what happened to Shannon Melendi and I know it's happened in less publicized stories that have years later been featured on cold case files or similar programs. Also, does anyone else remember that episode of forensic files where it turned out the woman's remains were put in a wood chipper of all places? It is amazing the length a killer will go to.

Khaos

09-13-2006, 05:14 PM

Unfortunately with the elements a body per say wouldn’t be what would be looked for any longer. Not wanting to go in to specifics but with hot weather and animals scattering things, well a body if exposed or slightly buried, would no longer be intact.

Aussie

09-13-2006, 09:55 PM

I believe if she was killed by someone who she had had a relationship with, it is unlikely that they would have completely destroyed the body. Usually killers that destroy bodies etc. are those that just snatch someone to kill. They are more the psychopathic type of person who doesn't usually go after someone they know or have a close connection with.
Those that kill someone they know usually feel some remorse for what they have done and don't disrespect the body. They cover it or hide what they have done. But the fear of the consequences when they are caught prevents them from letting out their secret.
If Tara was killed by someone she knew, they would have buried her or hidden her, and they would have gone to great lengths to make sure she wasn't found, but they would carry a guilty conscience with them.
I believe they could have even got involved with the searches or close to the family to try and hide in plain site so they are overlooked. It would also keep them up to date with the progress so they are ahead of any developments.
I think the other choice would be that they would feel she would never be found and they themselves would go far away from Ocilla as well. Try to put it out of their mind so it is easier for them to live with. Start fresh so to speak. IMO

Elle_Woods

09-14-2006, 04:16 AM

I see what you're saying, the seeming impersonal nature of it.
But that isn't always the case, in fact the murders that I was thinking of specifically involved someone very close to the victim.

For example:
Pilot Convicted of Killing Wife In Wood-Chipper Murder Trial
LEAD: Richard Crafts, an airline pilot from Newtown accused of killing his wife and putting parts of her body through a wood chipper, was found guilty of murder here today....View free preview
November 22, 1989 - AP (NYT) - New York and Region - News - 541 words
http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?ppds=per&v1=CRAFTS%2C+HELLE&sort=newest

Woman's Body Found, Shot and Burned in Méxicali

On the night of Thursday, January 24, 2002, while looking for a stolen vehicle, Méxicali police officer Guillermo Leyva found a woman's body approximately 300 yards from a police station. The body had been set on fire and shot, according to police.

Due to the position in which the body was found, officials believe that the woman was doused in gasoline and set on fire while still alive.
http://www.nmsu.edu/~frontera/feb02/secr.html

Man, Woman Plead Guilty to Killing Woman's Husband
A Pelion woman and her boyfriend have pleaded
guilty in the death of the woman's husband.

Circuit Judge Marc Westbrook sentenced 39-year-old Sherry Gunter to 30 years in prison. Westbrook sentenced 29-year-old William Lambert of Columbia to 50 years in prison.

The pair pleaded guilty yesterday to killing 37-year-old Eugene Gunter, whose burned body was found in 2001 in Cayce.
http://www.wltx.com/news/news19.asp?storyid=12169

Aussie

09-14-2006, 05:45 PM

I agree with you, it can happen. People that do those things have a lot of rage in them.

Saunterer

09-16-2006, 07:37 PM

MOO - Aussie is "psychic". Y'all figure it out.

Aussie

09-16-2006, 10:36 PM

Wow, I share an opinion and suddenly I am a statistician and a psychic and even an abused ex wife !!!:confused:

I checked and I did put IMO at the end of my post. FWIW I did not have anyone in mind when I wrote my opinion, but obviously some of you did. My opinion is derived from reading many true crime stories and following these things for a long time. I am not giving any figures etc. just opinion, nothing sinister.

I don't claim to know anything about this situation, but I have formed an opinion from everything that has been written about this case. I personally think that it is very possible that Tara left on her own accord for various reasons. But obviously this may be very wrong, and the worst may of happened.

Oh, just one more opinion - I agree with Irwin Indian, there are many traits exhibited by some people that match up with what the physcis have said. Go after the psychics. They said it in the first place, I just analysed it like everyone else.

Lindsey

09-17-2006, 02:45 AM

Well, lookahere. I do believe we have another nicswitch. How do you keep up with all of them?!?!

Aussie

09-17-2006, 05:25 AM

Bit hard to change nics when I only have one.
I don't need to hide behind anyone else or get anyone else to speak for me.
At the risk of getting banned, if Tara ran away, it's no wonder she did if you are the sort of people that she had to put up with. I'd run away too.
If she was harmed, well I feel very sad that she has morons as such trying to find out the truth. The truth will probably never come to light while you all (those from the "other" camp that is) sit here a make an absolute mockery of a serious situation.
I can only feel sorry for Tara and those who loved her unconditionally.
Well that's all from me on this board. I wouldn't wasted my time again getting involved in such bullsh*t.
So chalk up another one on your score board. You now have one less person to attack. Keep going the way you usually do and you'll soon have the board to yourselves.
I only hope that legitimate posters like Results and BFD have the patience to keep at it.
The truth will prevail in the end, no matter how hard you work to hide it.:seeya:

simply quiet

09-17-2006, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by Aussie

<snipped>

The truth will prevail in the end, no matter how hard you work to hide it.:seeya:

Aussie, stick around don't go away.

You must be on to something because you seem to have hit a nerve. And that always seems to bring an added dimension to this sad story.

sogalady

09-17-2006, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by nicsrightnow
Aussie,
Note To Self------> Change Nic before posting something that a friend was supposed to say, or vice versa. It lowers the stupidity shield to a reasonable level by doing so. <------

;)

Is this "Note to Self" actually for "self" or is it for Aussie ? Everyone that post doesn't change their nic. just to "lower the stupidity shield" like others do ! The sad truth usually bites you right in the butt and doesn't do a darn thing for the stupidity shield/ level ! But who would know better than the professionals who give out this kind of elementary advice ?

concernedperson

09-17-2006, 08:44 AM

Ever since I have been following true crime the murderors and their reasons always fall into two categories...selfishness and/or greed. With that said their methods can be simple or complicated (i.e. slow poison) and their disposal of the bodies just as varied as their imaginations.Nothing set IMO.

In Tara's case, if she was harmed, I would think that her body would be buried. I also think it was someone one knew her vs. a random stranger.

I was talking to a policeman yesterday about a stolen car found on our project. Before I called I figured it was stolen as the radio was boosted, was concerned that a body was in the trunk and he said no..."you would have been able to smell it". It got me to thinking. The car showed up at 11 pm the night before and I called the cops in the am not that much time.Tara would have had to be buried in a very short period of time after her murder or the smell of decay would have attracted buzzards or humans would have noticed if her body was anywhere near them. So, I guess her body is buried a little deeper than just enough to hid.

This is only speculation on my part but it would make sense why she has never been found.

gagal

09-27-2006, 10:41 AM

Please follow the link and scroll to the bottom of the page. http://www.theocillastar.com/
Read the drug related article and lets hear your thoughts. Just curious because so many felt that Tara's dissappearance may have been drug related...it looks like Ocilla wants to police their own town.........How do the locals feel about this?

:shrug:

concernedperson

09-27-2006, 09:13 PM

Call me exhausted but I didn't see an article about drugs but what I found interesting is this Superior Court Clerk being arrested. A little taking what is not yours kind of thing.

HonestInjun

10-13-2006, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by gagal
Please follow the link and scroll to the bottom of the page. http://www.theocillastar.com/
Read the drug related article and lets hear your thoughts. Just curious because so many felt that Tara's dissappearance may have been drug related...it looks like Ocilla wants to police their own town.........How do the locals feel about this?

:shrug:

I read this article and still believe there is some mystery surrounding the real reason for Tara's disappearance.

Its just me

10-14-2006, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
Two arrested on drug charges
By CHRISTY PRUITT
Reporter
The South Central Drug Task Force (SCDTF) waged war on drugs in Irwin County Sunday evening with the arrest of James Anthony (Tony) Hayes, 50, and Frankie Williams, 27, both of Ocilla.
According to SCDTF Investigator Alan Mann, the two were arrested at Hayes’ residence on Frank Road in Ocilla at about 8 p.m. Both have been charged with methamphetamine with intent to distribute, marijuana less than an ounce, possession of controlled prescription pills and possession of firearms during the commission of a felony.
“We have been waiting for this for some time,” said Mann when speaking of the five-month investigation that led to the arrests. “‘Ice’ was involved here, which is the most powerful form of methamphetamine.”
“Ice” is a crystallized form of methamphetamine, usually smoked in a pipe.
Hayes and Williams could face 15 to 20 years on the methamphetamine charge alone. Except for the marijuana charge, all other charges are considered felonies. Both are being held at the Irwin County Detention Center and await a bond hearing with the Irwin County Superior Court.
“The use of meth is a growing problem in our communities, and we are just going to continue what we have to do in order to combat that problem,” said Mann.
The Ocilla Police Department and Irwin County Sheriff’s Office assisted in the arrests.

I read this also....Rumor is this may have connectins down in Florida. I say rumor but my source has a family connection to one of the people arrested but I have to stay with rumor for right now.
MHOO

Its just me

10-15-2006, 11:17 AM

The following is the latest news article on Tara's Case because of it's length it will be in two (2) post.

Ocilla, police looking for breakthrough a year after Tara Grinstead's disappearance
By Tim Sturrock
TELEGRAPH STAFF WRITER
· COMMENTARY: Spotlight fades as story goes cold
OCILLA - Her picture is still on storefront windows of restaurants and gas stations in this rural south Georgia town.
A billboard showing her beauty-queen smile welcomes people driving into town and asks for their help.
For almost a year now, people here have been asking the same question: What happened to Tara Grinstead?
The Irwin County High School history teacher, who was 30 when she vanished sometime after 11 p.m. Oct. 22, 2005, hasn't been seen or heard from since.
People still wonder whether, while she was studying for a doctorate in education, her life just became too much for her. Maybe, as some people suggest, she simply left to escape the stress.
But others fear something far darker happened to Grinstead, a former Miss Tifton who competed in the Miss Georgia pageant in 1999.
This town of 3,000, surrounded by swamps, cotton fields and pastures, has drawn national attention since her disappearance. Numerous television shows and newspaper articles have covered her story.
While many say they still hope for the best, others say the worst is more likely.
"I hope that she's off somewhere having a great time," said Dana Wilder, a senior at Irwin County High. "But it would not surprise me if one day they dug up bones from the ground."
A MYSTERY UNFOLDS
Wilder was with Grinstead the Saturday she disappeared.
Grinstead, a Hawkinsville native, spent time helping Wilder and others with their hair and makeup before the Miss Sweet Potato Pageant in Fitzgerald. Later that day, she went to a former Irwin County school superintendent's house, where she and some friends had a cookout and watched football.
Friends and family tried to call her the next day, to no avail. Then on Monday, people began to worry when she didn't show up at school and didn't call. After a neighbor let co-workers into her home, they called police.
When Ocilla police searched her single-story home where she lived with her dog, Dolley Madison, and cat, Herman Talmadge, they found the clothes she wore Saturday night. Investigators say that's a sign that she had returned home after the cookout. They found her cell phone there, but her car was outside, unlocked. That was unusual, her sister, Anita Gattis, said at the time. Grinstead's pocketbook and keys were gone, and her pets were unharmed, police said.
There was no clear sign of a struggle at the home, police said. Investigators found a broken lamp inside her bedroom and found her alarm clock under her bed. A latex glove was found outside her home.
Her stepmother, Connie Grinstead, said she and Tara's father have experienced a range of hopes and fears.
"Some days our feeling of sadness is almost too much to bear," she wrote in an e-mail to The Telegraph. "Other days when we focus on the idea that someone has harmed Tara, we are angry.
"Some days when new tips come in and additional information is learned, we are optimistic that we may be getting closer to knowing what happened to Tara. And there are even those days when we feel hopeful that she may still be alive and we will have her back."
Her father, Billy Grinstead, said he never entertained the possibility that she simply left town. He said he would be happy if that were true, but he's doubtful.
"It's not in her character," he said.
A YEAR OF SEARCHING
During the past year, hundreds of law enforcement officials and volunteers have searched Irwin County and nearby counties for any sign of Grinstead, a popular teacher who helped students buy prom dresses on occasion and let them pay her back.Search teams in helicopters, on horseback and on four-wheelers have relied on cadaver dogs, professional divers and unmanned aircraft that photographed the terrain.They've found bits of clothing, but none of it could be linked positively to Grinstead.Web sites have published theories about her fate. National television shows such as "Nancy Grace," "America's Most Wanted" and a show that says it uses psychics to solve crimes have visited Ocilla. Fox News, talk show host Montel Williams and others have aired segments about her.
Gattis, of Hawkinsville, who declined an interview for this story, appeared on numerous television programs and worked to publicize Grinstead's disappearance.
In the months after Grinstead disappeared, rumors circulated about who might have abducted her, who she dated or where she may have gone the night of Oct. 22. The Court TV Web site has 90 separate online discussions that mention Grinstead.Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock said rumors became facts in some people's minds."Everybody went under public scrutiny when she went missing," he said. "Everybody that she was associated with went under a microscope, and that caused us to look in many different directions."
Hancock said authorities have questioned people Grinstead knew, such as her former longtime boyfriend and a former Irwin County High student who was once arrested in a case of disorderly conduct at Grinstead's house.Hancock said he thinks foul play is involved, but there are "no named suspects."
Because there was no clear sign of a struggle, Grinstead may have left her house with someone she knew, Hancock said.
"There are so many scenarios," he said, explaining that someone could have knocked on her door and taken her at gunpoint. He said the evidence doesn't point to one particular theory."It could be someone that got lucky," he said. "It could be someone (who) has done it before."To glean new theories, he still checks Web sites that discuss her disappearance in hopes of finding something that may have been overlooked.
If authorities don't solve the case, it will forever bother him, he said."It's hard to find a needle in a haystack when you don't know where the haystack is," he said.

Its just me

10-15-2006, 11:18 AM

GBI: NOT A 'COLD CASE'
The Grinstead case file at the GBI's Perry office is about 44 inches thick, not including supplemental reports related to the case. In comparison, the case file on the 2005 murder and dismemberment of Bobby Gene Wagner in Bibb County is a little more than 3 inches thick.Hundreds of pages have been added to the Grinstead file in recent weeks, and her case is still the center of attention at the GBI's Perry office, said Gary Rothwell, the special agent in charge there"The case is not cold. It is very active," he said. But "any unsolved case is inherently frustrating."Because authorities haven't found Grinstead and don't know what happened to her, they can't logically disprove any particular theory and rule it out, Rothwell said.When you have a missing persons case, you're dealing with the unknown," he said. "And it's impossible to prove that something didn't have anything to do with it."
Consequently, he said, requests that his office declare that certain people were not involved haven't been granted.We can't rule out the possibility that she's alive," he said. "We don't know what happened to her."Rothwell wouldn't discuss theories that investigators think are the most likely.A timeline of what Grinstead did just before she was last seen hangs in his office. Beneath it are the timelines of people who knew her well. Rothwell wouldn't say how many such timelines exist. He said it's routine to track the locations of people who know a victim.Asked if he foresaw the case going cold or when the case wouldn't be the focus in his office, Rothwell said he wouldn't speculate."I would be extremely disappointed not to solve this case," he said.
LIFE GOES ON IN OCILLA
People passing through town often ask about Grinstead at Peck's Place, a barbecue restaurant on Ocilla's main thoroughfare."They ask if they've found her," cashier Teresa Edwards said from behind the counter.The missing high school teacher has been a frequent topic for local gossips, too."They would say the most awful things. They didn't even know her," said Edwards, who didn't know Grinstead either.
Over the past year, the talk has changed."Now they talk about whether they'll ever find her - find her remains," Edwards said.Irwin County High School principal Bobby Conner said he found it difficult to clean out her classroom in January before students returned from their holiday break.He went to the school twice before but found other things to do."You could walk into her room and get a feel for what kind of teacher she was, what she thought and how she went about her job and her relationship she had with her kids," he said.On Conner's third try, the night before the second semester began, he finally removed Grinstead's things - a shock to some of the students. A new teacher moved into Grinstead's room."We're not giving up, but we're trying to move on, and that's a part of moving on," he said. "We were trying to get back on a path to normalcy as best we could."You don't go to school to learn how to handle this situation. It's not taught. You just try to be very sympathetic."Grinstead's disappearance isn't a topic of everyday conversation like it was at the end of the past school year.The town will be able to heal eventually even if she is never found, though it will take longer for some.Conner said he's still hoping for the best."It's kind of like preparing when someone in your family is gravely ill, and you know they're not going to be here long," he said.Conner expects a gradual change in how she is remembered at the school as new students who didn't know her replace students who did.
THE SEARCH FOR CLOSURE
Benjie Grinstead, Grinstead's cousin who lives in Hawkinsville, said the past year has been exhausting for his family.
Although several of his family members have died during that span, Grinstead's disappearance has been more difficult in some ways."When somebody dies, at least there's finality to it," he said. "With Tara, you don't know if she's suffering. Without knowing, you can think all you want, but you're never certain."In her e-mail to The Telegraph, Connie Grinstead wrote that she and her husband know the chances of finding their daughter alive are slim. She said she realized that about two weeks after the disappearance."We are left with this question: What is closure? If Tara is not alive and we find her, will there ever be closure to the pain we feel in our hearts? We don't think so," she said in the e-mail. "Acceptance maybe, but not closure."Mark McMahan, a civilian worker at Robins Air Force Base who started the Tara Grinstead Search and Rescue Foundation, said he's spoken to many people in Middle Georgia who mistakenly think that Grinstead already has been found dead. He said he's frustrated by the misinformation.You've got to have a little bit of hope she'll be found alive somewhere, even though I personally don't think it's realistic," he said.McMahan started the foundation after hearing about Grinstead and then volunteering to search for her. He never knew Grinstead but said he was touched by her story.Wilder, the senior from Irwin County High School, said she misses the vigils and other events that were held after Grinstead disappeared.She said she's bothered that Grinstead isn't discussed as much as she used to be and that another schoolteacher has moved into Grinstead's home.Said Wilder, "It's like she's gone and she's never coming back."To contact Tim Sturrock, call 744-4347 or e-mail tsturrock@macontel.com

Esah

10-15-2006, 01:15 PM

Thank you for posting this It's Just Me. It's a very well written article.

Something occured to me while reading it. The clothes Tara wore to the pageant and cook-out were at her house. All along I've assumed that that meant she came home and changed. But what if someone brought them there? It would sure mislead the investigation. I wonder if any dna checking was done on this clothing. A strand of hair could mean everything at this point. Expecially if this person was not part of the LE investigating or the family and friends who have also been in contact with her things.

Its just me

10-15-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Esah
Thank you for posting this It's Just Me. It's a very well written article.

Something occured to me while reading it. The clothes Tara wore to the pageant and cook-out were at her house. All along I've assumed that that meant she came home and changed. But what if someone brought them there? It would sure mislead the investigation. I wonder if any dna checking was done on this clothing. A strand of hair could mean everything at this point. Expecially if this person was not part of the LE investigating or the family and friends who have also been in contact with her things.

You are very correct about the clothes. To my knowledge the clothes were not taken by the GBI...I have posted on this more that one time. A big boo boo if in fact the clothes were not taken. We all know the story with the car. BFD explained about how much evidence was lost by not taking the car and leaving it to be washed. I may be wrong and the clothes were taken but I know I am not wrong on the stupid boo boo of the car. Disgusting in MHOO Thanks for bring this to our attention. Good thought

Its just me

10-15-2006, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Mannequin
they saying about the home grown killer gave me the chills thinking about it because as much we dont want to believe it somebody in Ocilla does know where tara is hid. thats my opinion and i believe it with all my heart.

Thank you Mannequin for sharing the article...Since I "don't know" what has happened I do not rule out this possibility.

Its just me

10-15-2006, 11:30 PM

Since Chief Hancock stated the boards are read I incourage anyone with new information to come forth. Or any unanswered questions you have and want discussed..Please bring to the board. Thanks IJM

grandline

10-16-2006, 08:32 AM

Thanks for posting this IJM, this is a very well-written article.

The two things that stuck out the most to me:

1. Rothwell said.When you have a missing persons case, you're dealing with the unknown," he said. "And it's impossible to prove that something didn't have anything to do with it."

2. Consequently, he said, requests that his office declare that certain people were not involved haven't been granted.We can't rule out the possibility that she's alive," he said. "We don't know what happened to her.

:read:

What that tells me is that the GBI is, at least on paper, keeping an open mind and still exploring all possibilities and that no one has been ruled out. Everything and everyone could still be relevant in some way.

BroadwayJoe

10-16-2006, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
I don't see BroadwayJoe asking any question on this thread.

:shrug:

Irwin Indian, you won't see my question to Mannequin on the thread because Freshwater specifically requested not to "post private messages", remember? What is your problem with me asking a question to another poster in a PM. That IS still allowed isn't it? LOL

grandline

10-16-2006, 09:53 AM

Gosh these threads are getting harder and harder to follow. I thought Mannequin had just confused "Jaded" for "Broadway Joe" for some reason.

Does this mean that Jaded's question is still unanswered? I am interested in hearing Mannequin's thoughts on this too. This article has generated some new questions in my own head. Although I hope that Tara is alive I am certainly keeping an open mind. :read:

:patriot: For Tara!

BroadwayJoe

10-16-2006, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by grandline
Gosh these threads are getting harder and harder to follow. I thought Mannequin had just confused "Jaded" for "Broadway Joe" for some reason.

Does this mean that Jaded's question is still unanswered? I am interested in hearing Mannequin's thoughts on this too. This article has generated some new questions in my own head. Although I hope that Tara is alive I am certainly keeping an open mind. :read:

:patriot: For Tara!
I think the confusion began when Irwin Indian wondered why Mannequin responded to me on the board instead of in a PM, but you'll have to ask Mannequin that. My question dealt with the secrets in the cold storage, but I won't go into the exact question since that's the very reason I put it in a PM. Don't know if Jaded still has an unanswered question and really don't have time to look. It seems confusion begins on these threads when people are more interested in creating problems between posters and less interested in discussing this case. I respected Mannequin's answer and didn't press further.

BroadwayJoe

10-16-2006, 10:14 AM

BroadwayJoe

10-16-2006, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Oh, I do apologize. Honest mistake, really. One would think Mannequin would've replied to your PM question via a return PM instead of confusing you with "Jaded" (who DID pose a question to Mannequin) on the board. One would think. It is hard to keep all the nics in line, though, so I totally respect an honest mistake.

One would think you'd be tired of the games by now due to the transparent nature of your questions and comments and the fact they usually have nothing to do with Tara Grinstead. You would be more familiar with keeping "nics in line" not me. I only have one to remember. I don't appreciate your implication otherwise, and can deduct only one reason why you'd imply it. Does my presence on this forum make you nervous for some reason? Wait..don't answer that. You've already shown that it does, and I don't want to waste the better part of a wonderful day doing the ping-pong thing with you. Ignoring your spurts of odd behavior is much easier. No response needed Irwin. I won't assist you in derailing a topic, so this will be my last comment on your original strange question. BTW, no offense intended.

PNut

10-16-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by grandline
Thanks for posting this IJM, this is a very well-written article.

The two things that stuck out the most to me:

1. Rothwell said.When you have a missing persons case, you're dealing with the unknown," he said. "And it's impossible to prove that something didn't have anything to do with it."

2. Consequently, he said, requests that his office declare that certain people were not involved haven't been granted.We can't rule out the possibility that she's alive," he said. "We don't know what happened to her.

:read:

What that tells me is that the GBI is, at least on paper, keeping an open mind and still exploring all possibilities and that no one has been ruled out. Everything and everyone could still be relevant in some way.

Wonder who's requesting his office to declare certain people were not involved??? :shrug:

Its just me

10-16-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by PNut

Wonder who's requesting his office to declare certain people were not involved??? :shrug:

I wondered the very same thing PNut.

I also find it interesting that the following was said.

Snip "Friends and family tried to call her the next day, to no avail. Then on Monday, people began to worry when she didn't show up at school and didn't call. After a neighbor let co-workers into her home, they called police."

This clearly leaves out any idenity of HD as calling Tara and or he was at Tara's house Monday 12:15 am. The following clearly id's MH and AV as being questioned but does not mention that HD has been questioned. All very interesting.

Snip: Hancock said authorities have questioned people Grinstead knew, such as her former longtime boyfriend and a former Irwin County High student who was once arrested in a case of disorderly conduct at Grinstead's house.Hancock said he thinks foul play is involved, but there are "no named suspects."

Since Chief Hancock states this board is read and caused LE to look in different directions (not a quote) it tells me our time has not been wasted. Maybe when Chief Handcock or any LE reads this they could give another update maybe in the local newspaper to add if HD has been questioned or given a LD test. No names I know will be given but I also would like to know if anyone has been given a second LD test. TIA if this can happen. Not being nosey buy would like as much information as possible so maybe this board can continue to be a tool used in this investigation.

PNut

10-16-2006, 12:08 PM

IJM - also, there as no mention of the original LDT that were administered - nor a reference to the fact that one man failed at least one question on his....yes, I'd say the interviewed were very vague....in certain directions anyway.

gagal

10-16-2006, 12:58 PM

Sorry, that was not the same article that I was refering to. The article I read told how Ocilla wanted to get out of the Drug Task Force with surrounding counties....Just thought it was interesting......still do!

PNut

10-16-2006, 01:32 PM

Irwin - YES! I meant to comment on that and forget to before I hit submit! But yes, she sure has had NO problem being VERY vocal up to THIS point!! WHY not give an interview to a local paper?? Is she no longer the "family spokesperson"?? Does she have nothing to say here at the one year anniversary?!?

Results

10-16-2006, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
I agree PNut. With all this talk of secrets in cold storage and how this case is cold and LE won't comment, etc., I don't see why the spokesperson now declines to give an interview. It just seems so contrary to the past. Maybe thats a good thing, I don't know. I see that Marine Man is also throwing in the towel *temporarily* over at Carla Baron's site today. How can he be the lead investigator for the SAR Foundation if he's backing out? This is all so very confusing at such a weird time.

What do you mean throwing in the towel?

simply quiet

10-16-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
"But I believe that the time has come for me back away for a little while...when I come back I will come back stronger than ever."

:shrug:

Weird. A day after he is mentioned in a news article, he quits the SAR center? Something isn't adding up IMO

PNut

10-16-2006, 03:56 PM

Marine man, who was devoted to Tara's cause, has quit the SAR?? And didn't Linda who was head of the Tara Foundation quit not to long ago also?? And AG is not giving interviews? WTH is up??!?! :confused:

Its just me

10-16-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by PNut
Marine man, who was devoted to Tara's cause, has quit the SAR?? And didn't Linda who was head of the Tara Foundation quit not to long ago also?? And AG is not giving interviews? WTH is up??!?! :confused:

Until proven otherwise I say there is not a legal Tara Grinstead SAR Foundation for MM man to quite. There is much more to forming a true Foundation than NAME only. Georgia Laws.

Has Linda been replaced at the Tara Fondation or has it closed.

Interesting to say the least. MHOO

Its just me

10-16-2006, 04:29 PM

Forgot to add....I wonder if any gag orders have been placed on anyone. Just wondering.

PNut

10-16-2006, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Its just me
Forget to add....I wonder if any gag orders have been placed on anyone. Just wondering.

by LE or AG? :D

PNut

10-16-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Do you mean AG orders or GAG orders?

Great minds Irwin!! :tongue:

Its just me

10-16-2006, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Do you mean AG orders or GAG orders?

LOL My orginial thought was if LE had put gag orders on anyone.
But after your questions I guess the question could apply to AG as well. She seem to run the show in certain areas.

Its just me

10-16-2006, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by gagal
Sorry, that was not the same article that I was refering to. The article I read told how Ocilla wanted to get out of the Drug Task Force with surrounding counties....Just thought it was interesting......still do!

I read briefly 2 articles (I think) about the Drug Task Force. The first on was concerning the Irwin County Sheriff's Department wanting to disconnect with Drug Task Force. As I said I briefly read this and though the Ocilla Police Department maybe wanted to stay with the DTG. The second article stated something about this being brought before the County Commissioners and the Sheriff's Department would disconnect from the DTF. I'm just not sure about the Ocilla police department because they are seperate departments. I guess time will tell if the Irwin County Sheriff Department will do more for drugs in Irwin Co. being out from under the DTF. Sounds like there is a problem with the two working together somewhere. I believe the paper stated the Sheriff Department statment to the commissioners was they (ICSD) felt they could do more on the war against drugs outside the DTF....But then after this you have the big drug bust in Irwin Co by the DTF (article above).. Not sure what official date the ICSD would disconnect from the DTF. Kinda confussing.

TuscanDreams

10-16-2006, 07:21 PM

“We have been waiting for this for some time,” said Mann when speaking of the five-month investigation that led to the arrests. “‘Ice’ was involved here, which is the most powerful form of methamphetamine.”
“Ice” is a crystallized form of methamphetamine, usually smoked in a pipe.
“The use of meth is a growing problem in our communities, and we are just going to continue what we have to do in order to combat that problem,” said Mann.
The Ocilla Police Department and Irwin County Sheriff’s Office assisted in the arrests.

This is snipped from http://www.theocillastar.com/.

Meth is a problem all throughout the United States, in case no one knew this, meth has the same chemical properties as DRANO. Yep, nothing like shooting drano into your veins or snorting it up your nose.

For the people who think this was drug related, does that mean that Tara was involved with drugs or that she saw something she wasn't supposed to? This drug theory could make sense, I still believe a female was involved in this abduction.

Its just me

10-16-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by TuscanDreams

This is snipped from http://www.theocillastar.com/.

Meth is a problem all throughout the United States, in case no one knew this, meth has the same chemical properties as DRANO. Yep, nothing like shooting drano into your veins or snorting it up your nose.

For the people who think this was drug related, does that mean that Tara was involved with drugs or that she saw something she wasn't supposed to? This drug theory could make sense, I still believe a female was involved in this abduction.

I have never received any information that Tara was using street Drugs. I do think it is possible she may have been taking prescription drugs for her emotional state. I think if this is street drug related she knew something and could have threated to expose what she knew.

lighthousedazy

10-17-2006, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Jaded

Doesn't this kinda crash and burn Biker Babe's claim of talking to that dispatcher on the phone with OPD?
:shrug: I am baffled as many are. This poor girl could be laying out there dead somewhere, or she could hopefully be alive somewhere. I don't think anyone knows. Hopefully there can be some resolution soon. There are so many missing cold cases that are never found right here in Georgia: Teresa Dean- Twiggs county, Leslie Adams, Shykemia Pate and others. jmo

rhill

10-17-2006, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Jaded

Exactly. And since it's now a fact that Biker Babe's post about the dispatcher was completely false, it makes you wonder why another person would want everyone else to believe the OPD is declaring Tara left on her own? What's the motive there?

Refresh my memory about BB post and how that 'now' it is completely false. TIA.

Its just me

10-17-2006, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Jaded

Doesn't this kinda crash and burn Biker Babe's claim of talking to that dispatcher on the phone with OPD?
:shrug:

I would have to go back and read BB claim but what little I remember the one claim made was the dispatcher stated she thought Tara left on her own. I'm not sure if this is what you are speaking about concerning Biker Babe (whom I do not Know) or not but because of my own self experience I don't think it discredits that BB spoke with the dispatcher. The dispatcher stated what was her opinion which apparently is that Tara left on her own. I have personally been told by a LE person that this was his/her opinion. But I take what BB and the LE stated only as an opinion. I think everything posted is mostly opinions and I feel sure people working in LE have opinions and by the news article it appears no opinion is stopping this case from moving forward. I humbly appreciate that. As always this is MHOO

Its just me

10-17-2006, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Its just me

I would have to go back and read BB claim but what little I remember the one claim made was the dispatcher stated she thought Tara left on her own. I'm not sure if this is what you are speaking about concerning Biker Babe (whom I do not Know) or not but because of my own self experience I don't think it discredits that BB spoke with the dispatcher. The dispatcher stated what was her opinion which apparently is that Tara left on her own. I have personally been told by a LE person that this was his/her opinion. But I take what BB and the LE stated only as an opinion. I think everything posted is mostly opinions and I feel sure people working in LE have opinions and by the news article it appears no opinion is stopping this case from moving forward. I humbly appreciate that. As always this is MHOO

{{But I take what BB and the LE stated only as an opinion.}}

Correction to my post.

The above should have read "But I take what the dispatcher and the LE stated only as an opinion." I believe BB contacted a dispatcher and was told what BB posted. Again this is MHOO

Its just me

10-17-2006, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Jaded
I've thought this all along, about the fact she knew something. I also agree with you that Tara more than likely didn't take "street" drugs either. If she did, there would be no threat from her to expose anything about another party. In other words, there would be no reason to silence her.

I do not believe Tara took street drugs so I don't think this is a possibility. But to look at every avenue say "If" Tara did take street drugs she could have threated to turn her source for the drugs into the LE. Like I said this is not a reasonable theory for me but it can't be ruled out. MHOO

simply quiet

10-17-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

Until proven otherwise I say there is not a legal Tara Grinstead SAR Foundation for MM man to quite. There is much more to forming a true Foundation than NAME only. Georgia Laws.

Has Linda been replaced at the Tara Fondation or has it closed.

Interesting to say the least. MHOO

I am still wondereing what the heck happened here. One day after this article is printed and the reporter interviews the lead invistigator (or whatever he calls himeself) for the SAR foundation....he up and drops the case.

I am going to email the reporter and ask him what he thinks.

Its just me

10-17-2006, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet

I am still wondereing what the heck happened here. One day after this article is printed and the reporter interviews the lead invistigator (or whatever he calls himeself) for the SAR foundation....he up and drops the case.

I am going to email the reporter and ask him what he thinks.

SQ Keep us posted if you receive a reply.

The R

10-18-2006, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by PNut
Marine man, who was devoted to Tara's cause, has quit the SAR?? And didn't Linda who was head of the Tara Foundation quit not to long ago also?? And AG is not giving interviews? WTH is up??!?! :confused:

IMO it's called exposure...or

The truth will set you free?

Cuckoo for Coco Puffs?

Maybe some of the family are embarrassed and put a stop to some of the madness?

Take your pick....all MO. I'm sure you knew this already and your question was rhetorical but I couldn't help myself, I had to chime in with my .02 cents.

R

Results

10-26-2006, 08:34 PM

Results

10-26-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by jela72
Bwahahahaaaaaaa - Oh, God - forgive me but this is hysterical. Lord, is there paranoia out there or WHAT? On my first post on this forum I stated "I live far away from you all".

Read back: I said had NOT posted on a forum since the Peterson verdict - I opted to get a life. That's true.

And I also stated that I've experienced a similar personal loss and through that awful experience, I've followed mysteries, crimes and trial for years, now. I learnt the meaning of logic and it took half a lifetime to accept that meaning, believe in circumstances and communicate my thoughts. OK?

You sent me a great, warm, welcoming pm, Sassy, agreeing with some of my points and confirming ??? over HD. Was that pm a 'ploy' to warm up to me? Because, me darlin Sassy-girl, I don't even live in the USA!!!

When I fluffed up about the timeline, I was the first to post my errors and apologize.

At ALL times I have emphasized that my posts are MY PERSONAL OPINION & SPECULATIVE VIEWS.

Gosh, is there really a 'click' out there or WHAT? I didn't know there was some kind of 'entrance qualification' to post here. I believe in freedom of speech, too, y'know.

What a welcome - I had to roar laughing when Atok commented about the thick skin; and I saw what benhill went through before passing Muster Parade.

Let me end with this: I PERSONALLY HAPPEN TO BELIEVE HD IS SOMEHOW INVOLVED. OK? There. Roast it, fry it, grill it or freeze it - but those are my thoughts and my views and I'm sharing 'em with you all. (If the affair's a lie, then I go by the 'no smoke/no fire theory' until proven otherwise).

Wow, Sassy. I should have applied logic to your pm, the first sent to me ... and realize now you probably gathered up your internal 'folk' to flush out my 'motive'.

YOU are the offender, methinks, when it comes to honesty in co-posting and pm-ing.

Geeeeez.

Bumping. Oh Jela where are you?

Results

10-26-2006, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Bnutty
BevAnn-
I understand your questions but the problem is that when we (people from the community) try to help on these forums and share certain information that we know to be factual, we are gunned down a large percentage of the time simply b/c so many people on this forum and others in the past want to believe the rumors and gossip, I guess because it is more juicy. There is information (small bits and pieces) about the search and investigation that some of us in this town know about that hasn't been released on the news. If we think that the information should be known and will not damage the investigation, then I think that it should be posted in order to straighten things out. It also hasn't been on the news because it doesn't go along with or support the news bashing of certain "suspects" that AG has been talking about on the news in the past.

Bumping! Would love to see Bnutty back. JMHO

Results

10-26-2006, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by The R
Ok...now I'm totally confused....here's a quote from the CL article link that Ben provided....

"A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher"

Does this say that she was dating ****s or am I wrong on this?? Is this the same guy that is reported to be married with kids in Perry?

Somebody help.......
:confused:

Look what we have here. Wasn't it this article changed to reword this information about the dating? JMHO

Results

10-26-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by longcoolwoman

I couldn't have said it better myself. :beer:

Would love to see this poster back. She tried her best to give info like bnutty but was shot down too. Wish we could have some of these locals back. There are many of us on here that want the truth and will listen to what you have to say. Where are you guys at? It's past time for you guys to come back. JMHO

concernedperson

10-26-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Results

Would love to see this poster back. She tried her best to give info like bnutty but was shot down too. Wish we could have some of these locals back. There are many of us on here that want the truth and will listen to what you have to say. Where are you guys at? It's past time for you guys to come back. JMHO

I don't believe jela was local. But I stand to be corrected.

Results

10-26-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson

I don't believe jela was local. But I stand to be corrected.

She wasn't local. I'm talking about bnutty and lcw. Both of them said they were local.

The R

10-26-2006, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Results

Look what we have here. Wasn't it this article changed to reword this information about the dating? JMHO

I don't know if the original report was changed, but I asked the author about it and was told the original source for the info was incorrect and that they - Tara and HD - were just good friends. Not sure how 'correct' any of the info re Tara and HD is.......

R

Results

10-26-2006, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by The R

I don't know if the original report was changed, but I asked the author about it and was told the original source for the info was incorrect and that they - Tara and HD - were just good friends. Not sure how 'correct' any of the info re Tara and HD is.......

R

I guess HD was a better source. Thanks for that info. JMHO

Its just me

10-27-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Results

I guess HD was a better source. Thanks for that info. JMHO

I was told my a local who personally knew/knows Tara very well that HD and Tara were in a relationship but was not something that would lead to any thing more at the time Tara disappeared.
My source or no one can say what would have happened in the future. If this is not the information Chief Handcock has I incourage him to talk to all the people who personally was close with Tara. Just what I was told and MHOO.

Results

10-27-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Its just me

I was told my a local who personally knew/knows Tara very well that HD and Tara were in a relationship but was not something that would lead to any thing more at the time Tara disappeared.
My source or no one can say what would have happened in the future. If this is not the information Chief Handcock has I incourage him to talk to all the people who personally was close with Tara. Just what I was told and MHOO.

hmmm...wonder how well HD takes rejection? JMHO

gagal

10-31-2006, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Results

hmmm...wonder how well HD takes rejection? JMHO

Prob not well! Imagine, reputation means alot in law enforcement. I'm sure he had concerns about an affair being made public and the embarrassment to his family...........People have done horrible things over lesser offenses...JMHO!! I dont know if he was involved, but I do agree...There is alot more going on than we know. I do wish locals would come back and just tell us whats up. Are they having any more organized searches? If so where? Why are they searching a particular area? Tips? Does anyone know if they are still even getting any calls/tips? I would imagine that MH was advised to stay away from AG to prevent anymore scenes. She does have a tendancy to like the limelight!

Results

10-31-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by gagal

Prob not well! Imagine, reputation means alot in law enforcement. I'm sure he had concerns about an affair being made public and the embarrassment to his family...........People have done horrible things over lesser offenses...JMHO!! I dont know if he was involved, but I do agree...There is alot more going on than we know. I do wish locals would come back and just tell us whats up. Are they having any more organized searches? If so where? Why are they searching a particular area? Tips? Does anyone know if they are still even getting any calls/tips? I would imagine that MH was advised to stay away from AG to prevent anymore scenes. She does have a tendancy to like the limelight!

I don't think that we should get the search areas or any tips that come in. It is very important to keep some things close to the vest. I wanted the locals to share what has already happened. It is chain reactions that I am interested in. I have been reading back through the threads and some posters has changed their opinions. IMO to change your opinion something either was very crediable information or you seen things with your own eyes. I am not saying it is a crime to change your opinion or doing anything wrong if you change your opinion but IMO there was something going on. Also, I'm not talking about posters riding the fence. I am talking about posters that were very vocal on a POI and many months later had changed their opinion. JMHO

gagal

10-31-2006, 12:11 PM

I guess I dont really know what I am....It just seems that ;it can go one way or another! I like to discuss a poi and hear lots of different ideas. I wasnt asking for secret search info. Just places that have been searched recently. Really just wondering if people were still out there pounding away! (I admire them!!) I know the pd and so say that it is an open case, but I didnt know if something (or anything) has happened that we werent aware of. Do Occillians still have searches? Are the phone lines still ringing with tips? Has Ocilla stopped searching for tara? Or is this just know a backburner case waiting on something to pop up? I honestly feel for these people! Thrust onto center stage! I havent heard anymore out of MM. Has his foundation disbanded? Did the Tara center shut down? If so, we'll just have to do what we can to keep Tara's name out there!! I guess I'm trying to see their is still activity going on.
I'm praying for her family and dont want her forgotten!!
':rose:

gagal

10-31-2006, 12:14 PM

Results, I didnt want to know exactly what the tips were, just if they were still getting any calls. No, we dont need to know everything! Somebody would certainly screw something up that could be the difference between guilty and not guilty!

OhBrother

11-08-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by gagal
Results, I didnt want to know exactly what the tips were, just if they were still getting any calls. No, we dont need to know everything! Somebody would certainly screw something up that could be the difference between guilty and not guilty! I agree. Tips should never be shared. Good post.

One2Snoop

11-08-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by OhBrother
I agree. Tips should never be shared. Good post.

Not even the ones that have already been checked out? :shrug:

PNut

11-08-2006, 02:30 PM

Results, thanks for pulling this thread back to the top! I re-read it from the beginning, and there was some GREAT discussion going on here!! Some crap too, but FW obviously cleared that up!

It's amazing to go back 8 months ago (man time flies!) and read how strong the MH haters were in full force here. Times are a changin'. While MH is certainly not cleared, he's not the only one on the hot plate anymore.

I'd like to see jela back too. Wonder where they have gone to?

odette

11-23-2006, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by jela72
4Angels, irrespective of whomsoever the 'offender' might be, I replied to the following post where Sassy claimed to be among those 'in the (ehem) know' and stated I was 'apparently' part of some Damage Control Squad to shift focus of MH.

Lawd. Maybe MH committed this crime - does anyone *know* he did? Sometimes and most often, it looks that way - that's true.

However, I happen to find HD's manoevres over the weekend in question seemingly suspicious - and believed I joined a forum where all angles are fleshed out. The man called Tara 20 times and was right outside Tara's house after midnight, Sunday (and before she was even determined missing) having traveled there from Perry. At that stage he was the only person who, through phone records, was placed directly at the scene.

But he doesn't call the authorities once during all of this? Why? If he was as 'serious' as he was when he went to the school and got Tara out of class, then why the hell didn't he adopt the same attitude and get her out of her house?

No. But, he's such a close friend yet decides to drive home instead of breaking down the front door of his dear, close friends' daughter's home? In light of earlier and previous 'real dangers' that was allegedly made know to him - and that he was apparently known to be privvy to?

A few articles stated their affair, as did posters 'in the know' on this very board. If indeed an affair was going on, and that's all he's hiding - then the man's in the wrong profession, IMO. Because when a life is at stake - the plugs come out on everything!

It's the price paid for illicit dalliance - if such escapades were going on.

However, I happen to find HD's manoevres over the weekend in question seemingly suspicious - and believed I joined a forum where all angles are fleshed out. The man called Tara 20 times and was right outside Tara's house after midnight, Sunday (and before she was even determined missing) having traveled there from Perry. At that stage he was the only person who, through phone records, was placed directly at the scene.

But he doesn't call the authorities once during all of this? Why? If he was as 'serious' as he was when he went to the school and got Tara out of class, then why the hell didn't he adopt the same attitude and get her out of her house?

No. But, he's such a close friend yet decides to drive home instead of breaking down the front door of his dear, close friends' daughter's home? In light of earlier and previous 'real dangers' that was allegedly made know to him - and that he was apparently known to be privvy to?

It does NOT appear to me that HD was Tara's 'protector' at all. I fail to understand how the concept that he was her 'protector' ever began. Who started this talk that he was her 'protector' in the first place?. This is the man who just let Tara handle the situation on her own when AV was bashing on her door that day/evening back in March 2005 IIRC and now zoom forward to October 2005 when he travels all the way to Ocilla to check on Tara's wellbeing in the middle of the night, after phoning her allegedly 20+ times on the Sunday and not getting any reply ... her car was in her carport, and no answer to his knocks at the door (I'm presuming that he knocked) and he just drives off into the night.

Regarding HD call to FG whilst he was in Tara's yard ... well, who knows what was discussed ... it was reported that after she spoke to D***s, she in turn phoned the P's. She said that she asked them if a car was there. Did she then phone D***s back and tell him that the P's said, yes Tara's car was there ... what would he say if she told him that? I can't imagine him saying something like, Oh sorry, did I forget to mention that her car is here, I get a little lost trying to figure that one out.

JMOO

Its just me

11-24-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by odette

It does NOT appear to me that HD was Tara's 'protector' at all. I fail to understand how the concept that he was her 'protector' ever began. Who started this talk that he was her 'protector' in the first place?. This is the man who just let Tara handle the situation on her own when AV was bashing on her door that day/evening back in March 2005 IIRC and now zoom forward to October 2005 when he travels all the way to Ocilla to check on Tara's wellbeing in the middle of the night, after phoning her allegedly 20+ times on the Sunday and not getting any reply ... her car was in her carport, and no answer to his knocks at the door (I'm presuming that he knocked) and he just drives off into the night.

Regarding HD call to FG whilst he was in Tara's yard ... well, who knows what was discussed ... it was reported that after she spoke to D***s, she in turn phoned the P's. She said that she asked them if a car was there. Did she then phone D***s back and tell him that the P's said, yes Tara's car was there ... what would he say if she told him that? I can't imagine him saying something like, Oh sorry, did I forget to mention that her car is here, I get a little lost trying to figure that one out.

JMOO

I have found nothing that will prove HD was protecting Tara of anything or anyone. If Tara was afraid of MH as LG states I don't see that as being true because Tara went to MH's house twice in one day. Common sense tells me if this happened Tara WAS NOT AFRAID OF MH. I think MH and Tara's relationship was over and Tara was having a difficult time accepting this. I think HD and Tara were having a relationship and Tara was not serious about HD but there were a relationship. I have no idea how HD felt about Tara if this was just an affair or he had feelings for her beyond a friendship and sexual realationship. I have information that Tara and HD were at the Perry Fair together either in Oct. 2005 or the year before she disappeared in October which would have been Oct of 2004. The Perry fair is always in October. HD was the last person to speak with Tara on her cell phone and made many calls to Tara on Sunday and was reported to be at Tara's around 12:15 am Monday morning. FG calls the neighbor what appears to be after HD spoke with FG and this makes me think that HD did not tell FG he was at Tara's and if he did it makes me think FG may have wanted to double check what HD told her. For some reason the contact between HD and FG was never told until Dr. G. let the cat out of the bag.
Why? Why did LG imply that Tara was afraid of MH when evidence we have been told about Tara visiting MH does not agree with Tara being afraid of MH. I don't know what purpose HD had in making the call to Tara on Sat. night or the several calls to Tara on Sunday or why he drove 90 miles to Ocilla to Tara's house Sunday night but I will bet my last dollar that HD knows much more than what has been reported. MHOO and things I have been told whether truth or rumor.

odette

11-24-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

I have found nothing that will prove HD was protecting Tara of anything or anyone. If Tara was afraid of MH as LG states I don't see that as being true because Tara went to MH's house twice in one day. Common sense tells me if this happened Tara WAS NOT AFRAID OF MH. I think MH and Tara's relationship was over and Tara was having a difficult time accepting this. I think HD and Tara were having a relationship and Tara was not serious about HD but there were a relationship. I have no idea how HD felt about Tara if this was just an affair or he had feelings for her beyond a friendship and sexual realationship. I have information that Tara and HD were at the Perry Fair together either in Oct. 2005 or the year before she disappeared in October which would have been Oct of 2004. The Perry fair is always in October. HD was the last person to speak with Tara on her cell phone and made many calls to Tara on Sunday and was reported to be at Tara's around 12:15 am Monday morning. FG calls the neighbor what appears to be after HD spoke with FG and this makes me think that HD did not tell FG he was at Tara's and if he did it makes me think FG may have wanted to double check what HD told her. For some reason the contact between HD and FG was never told until Dr. G. let the cat out of the bag.
Why? Why did LG imply that Tara was afraid of MH when evidence we have been told about Tara visiting MH does not agree with Tara being afraid of MH. I don't know what purpose HD had in making the call to Tara on Sat. night or the several calls to Tara on Sunday or why he drove 90 miles to Ocilla to Tara's house Sunday night but I will bet my last dollar that HD knows much more than what has been reported. MHOO and things I have been told whether truth or rumor.

FG calls the neighbor what appears to be after HD spoke with FG and this makes me think that HD did not tell FG he was at Tara's and if he did it makes me think FG may have wanted to double check what HD told her. For some reason the contact between HD and FG was never told until Dr. G. let the cat out of the bag.

Yes IJM, it is reported that FG phoned the P's after HD phoned her from Tara's yard at 12:15am Monday 24 Oct.

Dr. Maurice Godwin, President of Godwin Forensic Consultancy will be in Ocilla, GA March 9th â€“ 12th to investigate the Tara Grinstead missing person case.

The following is a rather interesting statement from Dr Godwin regarding the Tara Grinstead disappearance.

Released 3.19.06: Dr. Maurice Godwin has provided the following statement after his recent visit. A complete report will be posted soon. Please check back.

â€œTara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Taraâ€™s home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Taraâ€™s house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Taraâ€™s home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara.â€

http://tinyurl.com/ydagxw

JMOO

odette

11-24-2006, 02:24 PM

Just to add to my above post ...

After FG finished talking to HD she phoned the P's.

<snip>: "HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Taraâ€™s home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara.â€:<snip>

http://tinyurl.com/ydagxw

This is what FG told Nancy Grace in an interview regarding the call she made to the P's after she had talked with HD in the early hours of Monday 24th Oct.

GRACE: So you did call Sunday night?

GRINSTEAD: Sunday night.

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

GRACE: What did they say?

GRINSTEAD: They didn`t seem to think anything looked unusual, that the car was there. They had been gone all day and didn`t get back until late, but they said the car was there. Nothing looked unusual.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

The fact that FG "did call the neighbors to see if a car was home" leads me to believe that HD can't have told her that Tara's car was home?. I may be wrong but that is what it appears to me. If HD didn't tell FG, it begs the question, why not?.

JMOO

odette

11-24-2006, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Odette,

Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving!

I agree with you about the FG/HD interaction and how strange it was. But, I think maybe FG didn't trust HD. IIRC, Tara and her mom had an argument the week before she went missing. IMO, I think that FG was upset about Tara's relationship with HD and that's what caused the argument.

The fact that FG called the Ps after she supposedly talked to HD who was right outside Tara's home makes me think that FG didn't trust the information HD was giving her. JMO.

Thank you Merrick, likewise.

What makes you think that Tara and her mom argued about HD?. I have heard that they argued the previous weekend but I haven't heard the reason was because of Tara's relationship with HD.

JMOO

lighthousedazy

11-24-2006, 08:13 PM

"GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual"

Odette, this statement could be a bit confusing. I wonder if she perhaps called the P's at 12:30 or 1:00 am on Sunday. But we know the statement by Dr. Godwin that HD was in the yard at 12:15 am Monday am. If I couldn't get in touch with my daughter all day, I would definitely be concerned and possibly call the neighbors at that time. I guess it would be mentioned in the interview though. As I said this whole case is very confusing. jmo

odette

11-24-2006, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by lighthousedazy
"GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual"

Odette, this statement could be a bit confusing. I wonder if she perhaps called the P's at 12:30 or 1:00 am on Sunday. But we know the statement by Dr. Godwin that HD was in the yard at 12:15 am Monday am. If I couldn't get in touch with my daughter all day, I would definitely be concerned and possibly call the neighbors at that time. I guess it would be mentioned in the interview though. As I said this whole case is very confusing. jmo

Yes, I agree that it can get confusing. Further up in that interview though, which I will post a part of below, you will see that FG was talking about how she had been phoning Tara to no avail on the Sunday. Hope this helps to clarify the times involved.

GRACE: That Sunday, when you thought she was coming over to visit you -- you`re in Hawksinsville (ph), right?

GRINSTEAD: Yes.

GRACE: How far is that from Ocilla?

GRINSTEAD: It`s about an hour`s drive.

GRACE: When did you start becoming suspicious?

GRINSTEAD: Well, I started calling her that afternoon and she did not answer the phone. And I didn`t think too much about it at first, but she never called me back. I left her a message and she didn`t call me back because I`d call both phones. But I really didn`t start to get worried until later on in the late afternoon. And when she had not called me back, I began to get concerned then.

GRACE: Did you call the neighbors?

GRINSTEAD: I did not call the neighbors until very late Saturday night, Sunday night...

GRACE: So you did call Sunday night?

GRINSTEAD: Sunday night.

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

JMOO

Results

11-24-2006, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by odette

Yes, I agree that it can get confusing. Further up in that interview though, which I will post a part of below, you will see that FG was talking about how she had been phoning Tara to no avail on the Sunday. Hope this helps to clarify the times involved.

GRACE: That Sunday, when you thought she was coming over to visit you -- you`re in Hawksinsville (ph), right?

GRINSTEAD: Yes.

GRACE: How far is that from Ocilla?

GRINSTEAD: It`s about an hour`s drive.

GRACE: When did you start becoming suspicious?

GRINSTEAD: Well, I started calling her that afternoon and she did not answer the phone. And I didn`t think too much about it at first, but she never called me back. I left her a message and she didn`t call me back because I`d call both phones. But I really didn`t start to get worried until later on in the late afternoon. And when she had not called me back, I began to get concerned then.

GRACE: Did you call the neighbors?

GRINSTEAD: I did not call the neighbors until very late Saturday night, Sunday night...

GRACE: So you did call Sunday night?

GRINSTEAD: Sunday night.

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

JMOO

FG was not saying yes to Tara was suppose to go to Hawkinsville. FG kept saying she didn't know so when NG could not get FG to say Tara was coming she asked the question again with your in Hawkinville right? FG was saying yes to she lived in Hawksinville not that yes to Tara was suppose to come see her Sunday. It clearly shows NG wanted FG to say Tara was suppose to go to her house when FG kept saying Tara said she didn't know if she could come she might be to tired etc etc. It speaks for itself IMO. JMHO

TuscanDreams

11-25-2006, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Merrick
I don't know what gets me to thinking that HD was the subject of tthe argument but I just can't think what else it could be. My Mother and I are extremely close even though we live hundreds of miles apart and the only time we ever argue is over my choice of men. I'm a mother, too. And, I often find myself getting into it with my 18 year old because of her boyfriends. Tara was a well educated, career minded young woman. I can't imagine her mom having a problem with her job, education, or pageant interests, IMMO. I think it had to do with her personal choices of men. JMHO and it probably doesn't mean much anyway.

Good point. My daughter and I argue over the village idiots that she dates. that very well could have been why they argued.

BroadwayJoe

11-29-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Results

FG was not saying yes to Tara was suppose to go to Hawkinsville. FG kept saying she didn't know so when NG could not get FG to say Tara was coming she asked the question again with your in Hawkinville right? FG was saying yes to she lived in Hawksinville not that yes to Tara was suppose to come see her Sunday. It clearly shows NG wanted FG to say Tara was suppose to go to her house when FG kept saying Tara said she didn't know if she could come she might be to tired etc etc. It speaks for itself IMO. JMHO
No offense Results, but I think the transcript speaks for itself the opposite of your interpretation. Nancy Grace had no reason to "lead" FG into an answer, IMO. If you will read it again, you'll see that "you're in Hawkinsville...right?" was more of an added quick afterthought to Nancy's original question. It wasn't carved in STONE that Tara was to visit that day, but it HAD been mentioned, IMO, based on the way her mother answered. She mentioned she was concerned by later in the afternoon, etc. when Tara didn't return her calls. JMO and my interpretation of it based on the way it is presented above.

O/T, where have all the posters gone?

Results

11-29-2006, 06:43 PM

None taken and you are right the interview most certainly does speak for itself.

Lindsey

12-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

FG was concerned that TG didn't show up for church and didn't return any phone calls.
<snip>

That's not what FG said. She said she didn't get concerned until later that afternoon. She didn't say anything about church.

GRACE: When did you start becoming suspicious?

GRINSTEAD: Well, I started calling her that afternoon and she did not answer the phone. And I didn`t think too much about it at first, but she never called me back. I left her a message and she didn`t call me back because I`d call both phones. But I really didn`t start to get worried until later on in the late afternoon. And when she had not called me back, I began to get concerned then.

dixinites

12-01-2006, 06:49 PM

Hi All! Hope you had a great Thanksgiving! Just wanted to insert my opinion here: I don't think FG sent HD to ck on Tara...wasn't it stated somewhere that he called FG (rather redundantly, if he was looking at her car in carport) to see if Tara was with her? And if indeed (just speculation) FG thought there was hanky-panky going on between HD and Tara, don't you think she would have just called the neighbors in the first place? I'm thinking she was a bit concerned that Tara had not returned her calls, but when HD said he was there and Tara wasn't, she became more worried. I think she then called the neighbors assuming that they could possibly tell her if they had seen Tara leave with someone. (When you are being interviewed on national TV, yu don't always say EXACTLY what you mean in it's entirety). JMO.

dixinites

12-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Well, looking at that situation thru the eyes of a Mom, if my daughter said she "might" come by, and did not, wouldn't concern me...if she didn't return my calls all day, I'd be a little concerned (mostly po'd), but if someone was in her yard at midnight telling me that they couldn't reach her either and her car was there, I'd be WORRIED. I would call the neighbors to see if they had noticed anything. I don't know if she trusted him or not, but I'd want all the info I could get at that point. If she didn't show up for work, I'd be panicked.

JMO, but in my mind there was definitely hanky panky going on and I think that Tara and HD had made plans for the evening for a rendevous or discussion about their situation (AWAY from her house cuz the missus was suspicious). Mrs.D. could have intercepted Tara at her house and forced her to leave with her (for a "talk" that got out of hand) because she found out about them. HD's frantic 20 calls could have been to warn Tara that the wife was on the warpath. IMO, if HD found out that his wife had harmed Tara, whether by accident or by design, I think he would have helped her cover it up, because of their children.

Just one of my many theories.

odette

12-02-2006, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by Merrick

Happy Holidays and glad to see you're back, Dixie. I can't remember who posted it with all the nicswitchers around here but I recall a poster, maybe Adel, stating that she knew for fact FG sent HD. I posted tongue in cheek because I don't believe that but do believe that HD was the source of the argument Tara had with her mother. I don't think that FG trusted HD and that's why she called the P's. I'm still up in the air as to why HD went to Tara's that night. I believe he went on his own. I just don't believe FG sent him. If she did, why didn't she say so? That would lend credibility to the whole "we're worried something happened to Tara" scenario. I think he went there to clean up a crime scene. JMHO.

I agree with you that people who aren't used to being in the public's eye very often don't articulate their thoughts well under the scrutiny of a news camera. And, Nancy is one aggressive and impatient interviewer, IMO.

I can't remember who posted it with all the nicswitchers around here but I recall a poster, maybe Adel, stating that she knew for fact FG sent HD.

Merrick, someone posted on the old Crimelibrary Tara forum and I quote ...

"Tara's mother asked specifically that HD drive to check on Tara that night otherwise he would have not gone." end quote

This particular poster was IMO getting a lot of his/her information from AG, so you would be wise to consider the "source". I have the link to the above quote from the google cache, should you wish to verify it.

FWIW I do not believe for one minute that FG asked HD to go and check on Tara in the middle of the night. I believe that HD was in Tara's yard at 12:15am Monday morning of his own volition. Just the simple fact of FG phoning Tara's elderly neighbors, after she had spoken with HD, (who was right outside Tara's house) in the wee small hours, to ask them if a car was home defies belief. IMO HD would have surely told FG that Tara's car was in the carport when he phoned.

What was HD really doing in Tara's yard at that time of night/morning?. Only HD can answer that question and to my knowedge there have been no media reports of him giving an explanation.

JMOO

mooloo

12-02-2006, 07:32 PM

Hopefully, when this case is solved, AG will go on national tv for more than a blurb and apologize to, and ask forgiveness of, any and all she has accused unjustly.

Anybody giving odds on that happening?

Originally posted by Merrick

Thank you, Odette. I don't need to verify your information b/c that's how I recall the post also. I'm in 100% agreement with you I do not believe HD was there because FG sent him. I believe he went on his own and I think his wife had a lot to do with that.

IMO, the D***s were well aware of Tara's involvement in the pageant in Fitzgerald. It's a well publicized affair, if I'm not mistaken. I'd like to know where GD (the wife of HD) was Saturday afternoon and evening. IMO, I think it's quite possible that she followed Tara from Fitzgerald to the Davis' home and then to her own home. Tara surely knows this woman since they're all such good family friends:rolleyes: Might even trust her, or not feel threatened, physically, by her enough to let her in to her home or to leave her home to talk with her outside.

Of course, JMHO.

Results

12-03-2006, 08:21 AM

I know that it is very hard to believe that someone close to the family can harm your loved ones. It is a very hard thing to even imagine it. However, it does not give you the right to turn around and lie to move that attention away from that person. Rather it was done intentionally or not it doesn't matter it happened. AG owes many appologies to many different people. The day that one sister can turn around a disappearance of her sister to make it about her then there is a huge problem. The thing that makes me so angry is that it didn't matter if AG and Tara were close or not because they were sisters and that in itself was enough for her to have my compassion. It didn't matter if they talked on the phone, e-mailed each other, or even saw each other. When you starting telling lies to make people believe you to lean towards another POI then I have to ask why? Why in the world if you really wanted your sister found start telling lies because then nobody will believe anything you say. Her crediability was shot to hell. Her behavior is unacceptable. Why would she do all these things if she wanted to find Tara? The apology that she needs to give is to Tara and that is the only one that I'm worried about. JMHO

fsbiii

01-13-2007, 10:19 PM

*bumping to refresh Manny's memory a little*

talking bad about that person is the lowest of the low. i know he has helped in many ways and you are probably just his ex trying to grind the ax. this forum is a big joke to you so just keep on talking i dont want a part in it.

concernedperson

01-13-2007, 10:31 PM

*bumping to refresh Manny's memory a little*

Whoa, I am glad you keep good notes. Anger issues abound to say the least but incredible delusions are apparent or maybe she knows something we don't. Spill the beans, Manny.

dixinites

01-14-2007, 12:08 AM

fsbiii

01-14-2007, 12:15 AM

Manny was talking about MM in that old thread but played dumb tonight about not knowing who MM is/was... before a prompt exit. We can ignore Manny's presence and get right back to where we were; that's the best medicine.

dixinites

01-14-2007, 12:56 AM

Aussie

01-14-2007, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mannequin
talking bad about that person is the lowest of the low. i know he has helped in many ways and you are probably just his ex trying to grind the ax. this forum is a big joke to you so just keep on talking i dont want a part in it.

OMG! Is Mannequin referring to HD???? Who's ex?

Manny was addressing me, a reader from Australia, because I dared to bring up some facts about MM's past. So Manny assumed I was MM's poor ex wife trying to discredit him, and she took it rather personally. FSBIII was just reminding Manny about who MM was!!:biggrin:

mooloo

01-14-2007, 12:44 PM

ahhhh....I was wondering who MM is/was, but this certainly clears up my foggy head. I wonder if he has finished his on-line degree and is busy building the Tara Search and Rescue operation.? Anybody know?

Manny was talking about MM in that old thread but played dumb tonight about not knowing who MM is/was... before a prompt exit. We can ignore Manny's presence and get right back to where we were; that's the best medicine.

Results

01-15-2007, 09:46 PM

bumping! :seeya:

simply quiet

01-15-2007, 10:59 PM

Oh, I seriously doubt MM is doing any building these days. And, I don't see any use in wasting our time on discussing him, IMO.

Merrick.....why would you not want to hear from Marine Man?

He was the "HERO" of the Tara Center

I am curious about this.

fsbiii

01-16-2007, 06:57 AM

You are lost.

is mm ME's current boyfriend or am i lost?

The R

01-16-2007, 08:07 AM

I'll PM you.

Hey Merrick,

I'd like to hear what MM is up to these days too!!

Did he join forces with Brian? You know, to create some 'special' forces?

oops...sorry....ALLMO

Hope he is still searching anyway.

R

One2Snoop

01-16-2007, 12:01 PM

Hey Merrick,

I'd like to hear what MM is up to these days too!!

Did he join forces with Brian? You know, to create some 'special' forces?

oops...sorry....ALLMO

Hope he is still searching anyway.

R

Last I read they had a disagreement when Brian posted MM's whereabouts during one of his searches. Not sure if the conversation is still posted but you can read about it here if it is....

http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings069.htm

One2Snoop

01-16-2007, 12:19 PM

Oh yes, who can forget that drama, the high speed chase, being driven off the road, staring death square in the eye and conquering it:rolleyes: What a trip - From the halls of Montezuma To the shores of Tripoli or should it be Off we go, into the wild blue yonder? Who knows, who cares. JMHO.

:lol: LOL You got that right!

The R

01-16-2007, 12:43 PM

Danged if I know! fsbiii bumped the post so he probably knows who the dummy was talking about, IMO.

A Mannequin IS a dummy, right??

The R

01-16-2007, 12:52 PM

Last I read they had a disagreement when Brian posted MM's whereabouts during one of his searches. Not sure if the conversation is still posted but you can read about it here if it is....

http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings069.htm

Hey, Thanks.....MM and Brian's emails to each other was the inspiration for my comment...unfortunately I'd already seen that...;) ..seems in the end they are pretty much alike....both of them 'see' things....

allmoo

One2Snoop

01-16-2007, 07:11 PM

Hey, Thanks.....MM and Brian's emails to each other was the inspiration for my comment...unfortunately I'd already seen that...;) ..seems in the end they are pretty much alike....both of them 'see' things....

allmoo

LOL silly me - sorry I didn't catch that. :seeya:

Saskatoon

02-13-2007, 11:08 PM

this was a good prediction dixinights!! i think the freaky conduct follows the pull of the tides!!

I agree...probably won't hear anymore til the next cycle of the moon.

dixinites

02-13-2007, 11:17 PM

this was a good prediction dixinights!! i think the freaky conduct follows the pull of the tides!!

...and thus the term "looooonies"!;)

Its just me

02-14-2007, 12:18 AM

:rose: Happy Valentines Day to all of you.

fsbiii

03-14-2007, 12:58 PM

you're probably right on this one here

I think a lot of people are getting ready to self destruct.Could be a good thing.

PNut

03-14-2007, 02:20 PM

You are probably right on.

Oh yes, who can forget that drama, the high speed chase, being driven off the road, staring death square in the eye and conquering it:rolleyes: What a trip - From the halls of Montezuma To the shores of Tripoli or should it be Off we go, into the wild blue yonder? Who knows, who cares. JMHO.

One2Snoop

04-27-2008, 01:43 AM

Bump :rose:

Maybaby59

05-10-2008, 05:30 AM

I appreciate your "respect". But again I will say that we have no say in Tara's pets or who her family chooses to let care for them.

I made the point that the Potier family looked on these pets as part of their family as they had Tara. I was not being disrespectful just trying to state what little I know about the situation.

Dolly was not a "house dog" she was well cared for when Tara had her and
I'm sure she came in when Tara choose for her to BUT she was a Yard Dog. She lived in a big shady back yard with a nice house with plenty of straw and bedding. She was carried to the vet and treated as a loved pet, this has continued even after Tara was gone and could not do these things on her own.

Herman did have run of the house but not as a total "House Cat" he to had the run of the community, with regular vet visits and love and care. This too was continued after Tara was gone.

Now as to the wasted space with the spare room and tractor quote, if you had read more of my post on CB you would have seen my comments about comic relief as a stress reliever. I have hurt no one with those post and they have no place in a serious discussion as I feel Tara's pets to be.

I am only trying to help those from other states see that these animals have been cared for as they will be from now on. It is not our decision as to where they should be or who should have them. Tara still has a Mama, a Daddy, a Sister, a Nephew and the list goes on. These people are the ones that will be responsible for Tara's pets and her belongings, none of us have that burden.

Gacountry

Gacountry, I know there have been a lot of questions about Tara being an inside or outside dog...Seems like you have knowledge and gave a firm answer to that question in your post. :)

JMHO

Its just me

05-10-2008, 11:17 AM

Gacountry, I know there have been a lot of questions about Tara being an inside or outside dog...Seems like you have knowledge and gave a firm answer to that question in your post. :)

JMHO

I agree Maybaby...I'll never understand why some continue to insist that Dolly was an inside dog. When something has been determined as fact it should be considered as fact. Dolly being an outside dog is a Fact. Thanks for bringing this forward. :beer: fep

Maybaby59

05-10-2008, 12:55 PM

I agree Maybaby...I'll never understand why some continue to insist that Dolly was an inside dog. When something has been determined as fact it should be considered as fact. Dolly being an outside dog is a Fact. Thanks for bringing this forward. :beer: fep

Oh Lord, Miss Fep...I just noticed the mess I made of that post...I hope everybody knows I was referring to Dolly being the inside dog and not Tara...:o Think I might have been a little sleepy when I wrote that...y'all forgive me for messing that up...

And yes, let's hope everybody who reads here will see that what Gacountry posted was stated as fact. :)

JMHO

Its just me

05-10-2008, 06:16 PM

Oh Lord, Miss Fep...I just noticed the mess I made of that post...I hope everybody knows I was referring to Dolly being the inside dog and not Tara...:o Think I might have been a little sleepy when I wrote that...y'all forgive me for messing that up...

And yes, let's hope everybody who reads here will see that what Gacountry posted was stated as fact. :)

JMHO

;) I knew you you meant Dolly Maybaby and "If" I knew I'm sure everyone else will also. No apology needed...we all make booboo's. :rose: fep

Maybaby59

05-13-2008, 09:41 AM

Due to the fact that the GBI recognizes that not every one in LE is a good guy.....I am thankful that you haven't heard any thing that points in the direction of closure. I would not be back on this board if I didn't have it from reliable sources that within the next week news will be out and some of the guilty will at least be made public.
:rose: Always for Tara

but those who were recently "brought in" are probably hoping for closure soon too....I am sure that trip up the interstate for one of those was the longest trip.....Thank God for the GBI!

:rose: Always for Tara

This poster was before I became a regular reader on Tara's forum...Does anybody remember what/who was referred to in the statement about the trip up the interstate? Or was this just one of the people who would come on and say Tara's case would be solved within a few days? Seems I recall a couple of posters saying something like that.

JMHO

Maybaby59

05-13-2008, 09:46 AM

I thought it was the FBI who were doing this? Isn't that what you posted a while back?

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but when I first started following this case, I thought it was you who said the FBI had become involved and that this would wind up as a federal court case?

*Marking calendar for August 7th*

Ok, benhill, these secret sources are tiresome. Have never panned out yet. Those who have seen this type of post numerous times are well aware and know enough to understand it has become a game for some. If they had anything they wouldn't need a week to arrest anybody.

Well, guess my question has been answered...I just didn't read far enough before I posted...:o

readmylips

05-13-2008, 02:53 PM

feel free to PM me. For those of you who are already "non-believers" please don't waste my time....and before any one PM's me please be ready for what I tell you because I do have some knowledge that others may not have or may not want to admit could be true. The GBI knows who they escorted to Perry on that Thursday in July.

:rose: Always for Tara

Maybaby,

You should not have tempted me to take a trip down memory lane! LOL Oh my, those were interesting days. Poor Ben Hill just had no idea how off the wall, off base and utterly foolish he or she was making herself/himself look. I got a real good laugh out of it and a shutter or two recalling the big nasty mess. It's always good to remember where you've been so you can make a good decision about where you're going. ;)

Ben Hill wouldn't do so well in the predicting business, huh?

Brainstorm

05-13-2008, 09:09 PM

Maybaby,

You should not have tempted me to take a trip down memory lane! LOL Oh my, those were interesting days. Poor Ben Hill just had no idea how off the wall, off base and utterly foolish he or she was making herself/himself look. I got a real good laugh out of it and a shutter or two recalling the big nasty mess. It's always good to remember where you've been so you can make a good decision about where you're going. ;)

Ben Hill wouldn't do so well in the predicting business, huh?

This was before my time,iirc,what was he talking about?Perry?

readmylips

05-14-2008, 10:48 AM

This was before my time,iirc,what was he talking about?Perry?

That all came from someone seeing someone with law enforcement going to the GBI office. Whoever saw this assumed that the person was being questioned. Actually the person was collaborating with local LE and GBI in a matter regarding the search to find Tara. But that's just the old boring version (truth) of what happened.

I wish one of these "something is happening soon" claims would come true.

Its just me

05-14-2008, 12:15 PM

minga

05-14-2008, 01:40 PM

:D Just a perfect example that things are not always as one presumes. Another memory of a post that was absolutely worthless to this case and how tales got started etc etc etc by flapping jaws that didn’t know what they were talking about. The disgust and frustration comes along with the fun of reading the crazy stuff posted on the boards. fep

It was interesting alright, as well as frustrating and crazy-making. I wonder if someone corralled all these people and put them somewhere because there has been sanity (for the most part) recently. Nothing of the former proportions which is a definite plus. Many of the most guilty are missing and that's a good thing. I hope they've found life beyond their BS on the computer screens.

McKenna

05-14-2008, 02:10 PM

readmylips

05-14-2008, 02:35 PM

McKenna

05-14-2008, 06:12 PM

That's an interesting post, McKenna. Maybe you would care to clarify a little so it could be turned into something possibly helpful?

When exactly did you witness this?
Did you actually see the woman get into a car with Irwin Co tags?
How many other people were with her?
What else did you see that made you think that it may have been tied to Tara's case?

Thanks for sharing.

Hi RML, and thanks for your response. Actually, it wasn't a car, but it was a truck with Irwin County tags. I don't know if has anything to do with Tara's case, but the incident surely did catch my attention just because of Tara's case and all, being in Irwin County. The only other person with her IIRC was a man, also heavy set like the woman. It was just a weird thing that day, that caught my eye. I can't be positive of the exact date, but it was a few months ago IIRC, and I told several people about it. All of them thought it may be connected, but who knows, it might not be. Interesting though, in any event, especially since the woman was sobbing. I thought that very out of the ordinary, but that's just my opinion. After all, why would a woman be sobbing in the parking lot of the GBI, then get into a truck with Irwin County tags? TMK, no other cases are being worked on in Irwin County except Tara's, but I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.
:confused:

readmylips

05-14-2008, 06:52 PM

Hi RML, and thanks for your response. Actually, it wasn't a car, but it was a truck with Irwin County tags. I don't know if has anything to do with Tara's case, but the incident surely did catch my attention just because of Tara's case and all, being in Irwin County. The only other person with her IIRC was a man, also heavy set like the woman. It was just a weird thing that day, that caught my eye. I can't be positive of the exact date, but it was a few months ago IIRC, and I told several people about it. All of them thought it may be connected, but who knows, it might not be. Interesting though, in any event, especially since the woman was sobbing. I thought that very out of the ordinary, but that's just my opinion. After all, why would a woman be sobbing in the parking lot of the GBI, then get into a truck with Irwin County tags? TMK, no other cases are being worked on in Irwin County except Tara's, but I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.
:confused:

Considering the timing, it obviously has nothing to do with whatever weird claim that Ben Hill was making oh so long ago.

I would love to hear your theory on this "heavy set" couple in the truck and how her crying could somehow be associated with Tara's case.

PS Was it a dark colored truck by any chance?

One2Snoop

05-14-2008, 07:26 PM

McKenna

05-14-2008, 08:51 PM

Considering the timing, it obviously has nothing to do with whatever weird claim that Ben Hill was making oh so long ago.

I would love to hear your theory on this "heavy set" couple in the truck and how her crying could somehow be associated with Tara's case.

PS Was it a dark colored truck by any chance?

I don't recall mentioning this had anything to do with a claim by "Ben Hill". Can you clarify? TIA.

No, it wasn't a "darK" truck, FWIW.

You asked me to clarify what I saw, and I did. Why so snippy? I don't understand your attitude. Do you, by chance, KNOW this heavy set couple?
:confused:

McKenna

05-14-2008, 09:15 PM

:eek: :seeya:

:confused: :seeya:

Brainstorm

05-14-2008, 09:26 PM

Why'd you bring it up, if it isnt for discussion?(McK)?

McKenna

05-14-2008, 09:39 PM

Why'd you bring it up, if it isnt for discussion?(McK)?

I never said anything wasn't up for discussion. I just stated what I saw, because I thought it might be related to Tara's case. Do you by chance know this heavy set couple who were traveling in the truck bearing Irwin County tags? It might not be important, but if it is, it might be helpful. Again, I am just stating what I saw, and IMO, it was very out of the ordinary.:confused:

One2Snoop

05-14-2008, 09:52 PM

snip

PS Was it a dark colored truck by any chance?

:eek: :seeya:

snip

No, it wasn't a "darK" truck, FWIW.

snip

:confused: :seeya:

Ahhhhh thank goodness it wasn't a dark truck. I was worried there for a minute. :cool:

Maybaby59

05-14-2008, 09:53 PM

Maybaby,

You should not have tempted me to take a trip down memory lane! LOL Oh my, those were interesting days. Poor Ben Hill just had no idea how off the wall, off base and utterly foolish he or she was making herself/himself look. I got a real good laugh out of it and a shutter or two recalling the big nasty mess. It's always good to remember where you've been so you can make a good decision about where you're going. ;)

Ben Hill wouldn't do so well in the predicting business, huh?

BenHill didn't seem to do too well at anything...glad I missed out on a lot of this kind of mess...I'm gonna read a little farther from now on whenever I find a post I have a question
about. I talk to myself enough as it is...don't want to start doing the same thing on this message board! :D

Maybaby59

05-14-2008, 09:55 PM

minga

05-14-2008, 11:56 PM

Probably not the same day as you are talking about, but I saw someone at the GBI office crying in the parking lot. A heavy set lady, sobbing actually. I wonder if this had something to do with Tara's case. The only reason I say this is because their vehicle had Irwin County tags.
:confused:

Hi RML, and thanks for your response. Actually, it wasn't a car, but it was a truck with Irwin County tags. I don't know if has anything to do with Tara's case, but the incident surely did catch my attention just because of Tara's case and all, being in Irwin County. The only other person with her IIRC was a man, also heavy set like the woman. It was just a weird thing that day, that caught my eye. I can't be positive of the exact date, but it was a few months ago IIRC, and I told several people about it. All of them thought it may be connected, but who knows, it might not be. Interesting though, in any event, especially since the woman was sobbing. I thought that very out of the ordinary, but that's just my opinion. After all, why would a woman be sobbing in the parking lot of the GBI, then get into a truck with Irwin County tags? TMK, no other cases are being worked on in Irwin County except Tara's, but I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.
:confused:

You were a bit misleading to begin with. One would have been lead to believe this was much earlier in the case until you were led to clarify.

The GBI office you witnessed this scene would be in Perry, would it not?

If GBI were working on a case and there was nothing recently related to Irwin County I might think the woman was crying because maybe a relative that lived in that area, Perry, any surrounding area may have been found possibly deceased. Her brother or sister or daughter, anyone actually, could have lived in a different area and been found. Have you checked out other cases or bodies found in the area that office covers?

McKenna

05-15-2008, 12:08 AM

You were a bit misleading to begin with. One would have been lead to believe this was much earlier in the case until you were led to clarify.

The GBI office you witnessed this scene would be in Perry, would it not?

If GBI were working on a case and there was nothing recently related to Irwin County I might think the woman was crying because maybe a relative that lived in that area, Perry, any surrounding area may have been found possibly deceased. Her brother or sister or daughter, anyone actually, could have lived in a different area and been found. Have you checked out other cases or bodies found in the area that office covers?

Isn't the GBI office in Perry the office handling Tara's case? That is the office where this was observed. I only stated what I saw. Make of it what you wish Minga. To me, Irwin County "caught my eye". Wouldn't it have caught yours? :confused:

One2Snoop

05-15-2008, 12:31 AM

Isn't the GBI office in Perry the office handling Tara's case? That is the office where this was observed. I only stated what I saw. Make of it what you wish Minga. To me, Irwin County "caught my eye". Wouldn't it have caught yours? :confused:

The only other person with her IIRC was a man, also heavy set like the woman. It was just a weird thing that day, that caught my eye. I can't be positive of the exact date, but it was a few months ago IIRC, and I told several people about it. All of them thought it may be connected, but who knows,

I'm just curious considering the time frame here - why would you think this is connected to Tara's case? You said you witnessed this a few months ago? :confused: Yet Tara disappeared over two years ago. I can understand why others are questioning your intent and IIRC you were banned from here for a period of time and most of your posts no longer exist because why? :shrug: :seeya:

McKenna

05-15-2008, 12:36 AM

I'm just curious considering the time frame here - why would you think this is connected to Tara's case? You said you witnessed this a few months ago? :confused: Yet Tara disappeared over two years ago. I can understand why others are questioning your intent and IIRC you were banned from here for a period of time and most of your posts no longer exist because why? :shrug: :seeya:
First, I've never been banned from here. Second, last time I checked, Tara's case is still being worked on isn't it? If I saw something I thought was strange in the GBI parking lot in Perry then I am entitled to my opinion of same regardless if you think it was strange or not. AGAIN, the "Irwin County" tag, the sobbing woman, etc. was STRANGE to me and CAUGHT MY EYE. Nothing sinister about that, just an observation. Why so defensive?:confused: If you don't think it's related, then toss it out. Move on. LOL. That doesn't change MY thoughts about it. I have my OWN thoughts, thank you.

minga

05-15-2008, 12:52 AM

Isn't the GBI office in Perry the office handling Tara's case? That is the office where this was observed. I only stated what I saw. Make of it what you wish Minga. To me, Irwin County "caught my eye". Wouldn't it have caught yours? :confused:

Irwin county would have caught my eye as well and initially Tara would have been my first thought but after the considerable time frame I would have thought that Tara's isn't the only case on file. It's a Regional office. And I'm sure people from Irwin County can be involved in other cases. Also the time frame is questionable. I was believing that this was soon after Tara's disappearance back when BenHill was leading us on a merry chase like so many have. Will have information tomorrow! Going to the WhiteHorse and ask questions. Going to go undercover and talk to people who have information, will report back asap. Yada, yada, yada.

You came in just after his name was brought up, coincidence? With information not heard before, and misleading on the time frame as well. Excuse me for not jumping on the bandwagon. If I have mistaken you and your intentions I will apologize, but if I haven't then well......you've been around.

I will make of it that you didn't reason it out well, but it is interesting.

Its just me

05-15-2008, 01:16 AM

FWIW...Irwin County is in the Perry GBI district. Any case Irwin County needs GBI assistance...It is the Perry GBI that handles it. And another FWIW...Irwin county have asked the GBI to assist in many other cases besides Tara's. As far a heavy set women or men from Irwin County...No offense but that actually describes quite a few. I don't have a clue who McKena could have witnessed crying or what it was connected too but since this was only a few months ago I tend to believe it was related to something other that Tara. I don't know if the GBI assisted with the investigation of the crime that resulted in criminal charges a few months ago or not. That could be a possibility. fep

One2Snoop

05-15-2008, 01:47 AM

First, I've never been banned from here. Second, last time I checked, Tara's case is still being worked on isn't it? If I saw something I thought was strange in the GBI parking lot in Perry then I am entitled to my opinion of same regardless if you think it was strange or not. AGAIN, the "Irwin County" tag, the sobbing woman, etc. was STRANGE to me and CAUGHT MY EYE. Nothing sinister about that, just an observation. Why so defensive?:confused: If you don't think it's related, then toss it out. Move on. LOL. That doesn't change MY thoughts about it. I have my OWN thoughts, thank you.

If you say so, but I have the list I did for FW for trolls and banned people from this forum and you're on it. :confused: I've also checked elsewhere regarding your ban from here simply because you were brought up as another troll - it's all well documented - I have no reason to make this up.

You still haven't explained why you think this is related to Tara two years down the road? Why the "very descript explanation of the couple" along with the "truck"? Why not just state what you saw, when you saw it and why you think its related instead of leading everyone on a wild goose chase? :no:
In all honesty you're being called out because this goose is tired of the bull****. :mad: Obviously others feel the same way.

Carry on... :seeya:

Its just me

05-15-2008, 02:08 AM

That all came from someone seeing someone with law enforcement going to the GBI office. Whoever saw this assumed that the person was being questioned. Actually the person was collaborating with local LE and GBI in a matter regarding the search to find Tara. But that's just the old boring version (truth) of what happened.

I wish one of these "something is happening soon" claims would come true.

but those who were recently "brought in" are probably hoping for closure soon too....I am sure that trip up the interstate for one of those was the longest trip.....Thank God for the GBI!

:rose: Always for Tara

It was interesting alright, as well as frustrating and crazy-making. I wonder if someone corralled all these people and put them somewhere because there has been sanity (for the most part) recently. Nothing of the former proportions which is a definite plus. Many of the most guilty are missing and that's a good thing. I hope they've found life beyond their BS on the computer screens.

Probably not the same day as you are talking about, but I saw someone at the GBI office crying in the parking lot. A heavy set lady, sobbing actually. I wonder if this had something to do with Tara's case. The only reason I say this is because their vehicle had Irwin County tags.
:confused:

Hi RML, and thanks for your response. Actually, it wasn't a car, but it was a truck with Irwin County tags. I don't know if has anything to do with Tara's case, but the incident surely did catch my attention just because of Tara's case and all, being in Irwin County. The only other person with her IIRC was a man, also heavy set like the woman. It was just a weird thing that day, that caught my eye. I can't be positive of the exact date, but it was a few months ago IIRC, and I told several people about it. All of them thought it may be connected, but who knows, it might not be. Interesting though, in any event, especially since the woman was sobbing. I thought that very out of the ordinary, but that's just my opinion. After all, why would a woman be sobbing in the parking lot of the GBI, then get into a truck with Irwin County tags? TMK, no other cases are being worked on in Irwin County except Tara's, but I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.:confused:

Excuse all my multi quotes...I dont' want to get lost.

For anyone interested in the truth McKenna is misleading when she said "Probably not the same day you are talking about" and went on to say in another post what she observed happened a "few months ago.

If it was not in black and white that what BenHill stated that led to this discussion happened in July 06 one might think that it was possible that Kenna possibly could have witnessed what Ben Hill was talking about. If you look at the dates it's clear this is absolutely impossible.

Minga you spoke too quick...They have a way of showing up and McKenna is no exception. All of McKenna's posts are not showing because they were deleted. Why are posts deleted?? because they were a problem to the board in some form. I admit my memory is not the sharpest but I have not forgotten McKenna and sorry to say McKenna intentions did not appear to have this case in their best interest but was more concerned with the people posting. This is not just an opinion but facts that I do remember. Sorry McKenna just calling a spade a spade and I agree with One2 I thought you were banned at one time or did you just quickly decide to take a time out.

Another thing...I suppose the Perry GBI office is by main street where McKenna could just ride by and witness a fat lady crying and could read the county on the tag. :shrug: Good eyesite that's for sure. Just asking this because I'm curious..McKenna by any chance do you sweep the floors at the Perry GBI office or do you carry one of their guns. I'm curious because you seem to know a lot about what the GBI works on in Irwin County to be just a regular Joe passing by the Perry GBI office. I live here and know unless you work in LE you don't know what is being worked by the GBI for Irwin County.

I'm finally ready to call it a day..It's been a rough one but I couldn't turn in with out posting my thoughts along with a few facts fep

One2Snoop

05-15-2008, 02:54 AM

Excuse all my multi quotes...I dont' want to get lost.

For anyone interested in the truth McKenna is misleading when she said "Probably not the same day you are talking about" and went on to say in another post what she observed happened a "few months ago.

If it was not in black and white that what BenHill stated that led to this discussion happened in July 06 one might think that it was possible that Kenna possibly could have witnessed what Ben Hill was talking about. If you look at the dates it's clear this is absolutely impossible.

Minga you spoke too quick...They have a way of showing up and McKenna is no exception. All of McKenna's posts are not showing because they were deleted. Why are posts deleted?? because they were a problem to the board in some form. I admit my memory is not the sharpest but I have not forgotten McKenna and sorry to say McKenna intentions did not appear to have this case in their best interest but was more concerned with the people posting. This is not just an opinion but facts that I do remember. Sorry McKenna just calling a spade a spade and I agree with One2 I thought you were banned at one time or did you just quickly decide to take a time out.

Another thing...I suppose the Perry GBI office is by main street where McKenna could just ride by and witness a fat lady crying and could read the county on the tag. :shrug: Good eyesite that's for sure. Just asking this because I'm curious..McKenna by any chance do you sweep the floors at the Perry GBI office or do you carry one of their guns. I'm curious because you seem to know a lot about what the GBI works on in Irwin County to be just a regular Joe passing by the Perry GBI office. I live here and know unless you work in LE you don't know what is being worked by the GBI for Irwin County.

I'm finally ready to call it a day..It's been a rough one but I couldn't turn in with out posting my thoughts along with a few facts fep

As always, keeping it real fep :beer: Maybe McKenna should peddle his/her bullchit over at Websleuths - I have no doubt they'd soak it in as the truth in a nano-second. Pitiful. :mad:

minga

05-15-2008, 03:40 AM

Excuse all my multi quotes...I dont' want to get lost.

For anyone interested in the truth McKenna is misleading when she said "Probably not the same day you are talking about" and went on to say in another post what she observed happened a "few months ago.

If it was not in black and white that what BenHill stated that led to this discussion happened in July 06 one might think that it was possible that Kenna possibly could have witnessed what Ben Hill was talking about. If you look at the dates it's clear this is absolutely impossible.

Minga you spoke too quick...They have a way of showing up and McKenna is no exception. All of McKenna's posts are not showing because they were deleted. Why are posts deleted?? because they were a problem to the board in some form. I admit my memory is not the sharpest but I have not forgotten McKenna and sorry to say McKenna intentions did not appear to have this case in their best interest but was more concerned with the people posting. This is not just an opinion but facts that I do remember. Sorry McKenna just calling a spade a spade and I agree with One2 I thought you were banned at one time or did you just quickly decide to take a time out.

Another thing...I suppose the Perry GBI office is by main street where McKenna could just ride by and witness a fat lady crying and could read the county on the tag. :shrug: Good eyesite that's for sure. Just asking this because I'm curious..McKenna by any chance do you sweep the floors at the Perry GBI office or do you carry one of their guns. I'm curious because you seem to know a lot about what the GBI works on in Irwin County to be just a regular Joe passing by the Perry GBI office. I live here and know unless you work in LE you don't know what is being worked by the GBI for Irwin County.

I'm finally ready to call it a day..It's been a rough one but I couldn't turn in with out posting my thoughts along with a few facts fep

Yep, someone else said those exact same words to me. :D

You're right about that eyesight. I'm thinking about that regular joe thing you said, there's another joe that knows alot about the Perry GBI office as well. Cahoots maybe? :rolleyes: Why now? Why again? Why at all? :shrug:

Maybaby59

05-15-2008, 05:04 AM

Its just me

05-15-2008, 08:05 AM

Yep, someone else said those exact same words to me. :D

You're right about that eyesight. I'm thinking about that regular joe thing you said, there's another joe that knows alot about the Perry GBI office as well. Cahoots maybe? :rolleyes: Why now? Why again? Why at all? :shrug:

There is no telling...but McKenna had a history in Tara's case before the McKenna nic first started posting.
I don't remember if McKenna showed up before or after "that" other Joe got tangled up with the diary deal or not. That Joe is another memory for sure :rolleyes: and IIRC Joe and another nic that implied he was honest was doing a lot of posting one night and for some reason our puters messed up or something cause it sure looked like Joe and the honest guy were one of the same cause I think Joe answered his own post. Too too funny. fep

The R

05-15-2008, 08:50 AM

There is no telling...but McKenna had a history in Tara's case before the McKenna nic first started posting.
I don't remember if McKenna showed up before or after "that" other Joe got tangled up with the diary deal or not. That Joe is another memory for sure :rolleyes: and IIRC Joe and another nic that implied he was honest was doing a lot of posting one night and for some reason our puters messed up or something cause it sure looked like Joe and the honest guy were one of the same cause I think Joe answered his own post. Too too funny. fep

IIRC that was Joe and Bottlebender.

I also suspect that for some reason posters that were once banned are being unbanned or their bans are being reversed by actions/inaction of the current admin here. I think they are doing this mod-wise which has cleared a few bans. It may be like ConAir around here before too long! :D

ALLMO,
R

The R

05-15-2008, 08:56 AM

McKenna

05-15-2008, 10:29 AM

So McKenna, I'm thinking that the obvious question here is what date was it you saw the heavy set couple (from Irwin) at the GBI office in Perry?

Thanks,
R

IIRC, I said in my previous post that I did not remember the exact date, but it was a few months ago. If this isn't related, no huge deal. I just wonder why a simple observation is being so strongly defended? :rolleyes:

Maybe I hit a nerve? Now I'm wondering about it. but don't worry, I won't elaborate. I'll leave you to it-- you seem to have everything quite under control as usual. That's what is important right? To keep control?

You know, I guess IJM may be right. It could have been ANYTHING going on at the office that day... you just never know. But I still thought it was interesting and the tag caught my eye.

Anyway, no harm done. Carry on as usual.
:seeya:

readmylips

05-15-2008, 10:36 AM

As always, keeping it real fep :beer: Maybe McKenna should peddle his/her bullchit over at Websleuths - I have no doubt they'd soak it in as the truth in a nano-second. Pitiful. :mad:

Actually, I think the days of peddling bullchit over at webslueths on the Tara thread may have come to an end. Maybe that is why it's been dumped here instead? I dunno.

Thanks, fep for gathering up the posts that led to the current discussion. I meant no harm in questioning McKenna's vague response. I was under the impression initially that McK was bolstering Ben Hill's bs about someone being "taken" to the GBI office for questioning. I asked some clarifying questions and quickly saw that even though McKenna made it appear that they were talking about the same subject that was in discussion, they actually were not.

It frustrates me to deal with posters who state vague stuff and allude that there is some connection to Tara's case when there is no indication that there is. McKenna's post is nothing more than kitchen table gossip and it is a fine example of what has caused so much trouble in the discussions about Tara and her disappearance. I have little patience with it considering how long we've dealt with it.

McKenna, you are quite transparent in my opinion. You're going to have to try a little harder if you are going to slide in and stir crap without being called out for it.

I'm going to leave it at that because I could actually go on and on and on about how foolish some of this has been and I'm sure this post is already quite long enough. :flamemad:

readmylips

05-15-2008, 10:43 AM

IIRC, I said in my previous post that I did not remember the exact date, but it was a few months ago. If this isn't related, no huge deal. I just wonder why a simple observation is being so strongly defended? :rolleyes:

Maybe I hit a nerve? Now I'm wondering about it. but don't worry, I won't elaborate. I'll leave you to it-- you seem to have everything quite under control as usual. That's what is important right? To keep control?

You know, I guess IJM may be right. It could have been ANYTHING going on at the office that day... you just never know. But I still thought it was interesting and the tag caught my eye.

Anyway, no harm done. Carry on as usual.
:seeya:

Wait! I have an idea! Did you get the tag number? I bet we could find someone to run it and find out who it is? With a name maybe you could just call that poor ole heavy set couple right up and ASK them why she was crying in the parking lot at the GBI office. Heck, they might just spill the beans and end this thing once and for all! By George, that's it! Let's do something constructive with this new information!

What say you, McKenna? Shall we do something constructive with your "information" or should we just continue on with vague kitchen table gossip about some people we don't know doing something we have no idea about for reasons unknown?

:seeya:

The R

05-15-2008, 10:49 AM

IIRC, I said in my previous post that I did not remember the exact date, but it was a few months ago. If this isn't related, no huge deal. I just wonder why a simple observation is being so strongly defended? :rolleyes:

Maybe I hit a nerve? Now I'm wondering about it. but don't worry, I won't elaborate. I'll leave you to it-- you seem to have everything quite under control as usual. That's what is important right? To keep control?

You know, I guess IJM may be right. It could have been ANYTHING going on at the office that day... you just never know. But I still thought it was interesting and the tag caught my eye.

Anyway, no harm done. Carry on as usual.
:seeya:

I try to be objective when I can and I don't really see any out of the ordinary defending going on, but do see a few folks asking specific questions about your claim. I actually see you as being defensive and not as forthright as you could be which makes me suspect the validity of your info. I mean you can't even remember the date you claim to have seen these people yet you can remember the couple was heavy set and the truck tag was from Irwin?

What would you think if you were told a story like this? Would YOU believe it?

You are correct IMO when you say it probably isn't related and probably isn't a big deal. Funny you bring up the control issue, I don't recall anyone here but you mentioning it although I have seen it before from a few nic switchers.

Please do carry on. :seeya:

ALLMO,
R

Its just me

05-15-2008, 11:18 AM

IIRC, I said in my previous post that I did not remember the exact date, but it was a few months ago. If this isn't related, no huge deal. I just wonder why a simple observation is being so strongly defended? :rolleyes:

Maybe I hit a nerve? Now I'm wondering about it. but don't worry, I won't elaborate. I'll leave you to it-- you seem to have everything quite under control as usual. That's what is important right? To keep control?

You know, I guess IJM may be right. It could have been ANYTHING going on at the office that day... you just never know. But I still thought it was interesting and the tag caught my eye.

Anyway, no harm done. Carry on as usual.
:seeya:

To be truthful Kenna the only nerve you hit was seeing your Nic show back up. If you are stupid enough to think you have posted something so vague and hit a nerve you are only fooling yourself.
Your lastest is just another fine example of what we have had to deal with. May I ask what in the hell do you think we are trying to hide and give two ****s what you post.
BTW I'm calling you on the tag business. You had to be real real close for it to catch your eye for the simple reason it can only be read from a certain distance. So YES there is harm done by you McKenna. A lie is a lie but that is just business as usual for your sorry tail. Report me too. :shrug: I could care less because I'm not going to take another thing from you. You make me sick and it's people like you that causes the most problems in society today including this message board. IJM fep

fsbiii

05-15-2008, 01:48 PM

And so it continues....

McKenna

05-15-2008, 03:22 PM

And so it continues....

Yes, it does.

readmylips

05-15-2008, 05:02 PM

Yes, it does.

I was thinking more about this. Could you id the couple in a line up? Would you be willing to testify to the grand jury about it? They might need to hear from you!

I'm so disappointed that you didn't answer my post about the tag number. You did get the tag number didn't you?

I'm sitting on go and ready to help. Waiting on your response. :beer:

concernedperson

05-15-2008, 08:17 PM

I was thinking more about this. Could you id the couple in a line up? Would you be willing to testify to the grand jury about it? They might need to hear from you!

I'm so disappointed that you didn't answer my post about the tag number. You did get the tag number didn't you?

I'm sitting on go and ready to help. Waiting on your response. :beer:

Why would this poster need to id this couple in a line up? Is the couple under suspicion for something that wasn't said in these posts?

I thought it interesting but less interesting than the follow up posts. Is there something that is new to Tara's case that isn't being told? Please if anyone has info that will bring Tara home I think it is time, don't you.

Brainstorm

05-15-2008, 09:30 PM

hypnotized

05-15-2008, 11:34 PM

One2Snoop

05-16-2008, 12:00 AM

I'm sure your "guidance" is desparately needed elsewhere. Thanks for dropping in, I'm sure your time is valuable, so we won't delay your exit.
Did you forget . . . we sure haven't! :no:

Here's some music she can listen to as she makes her exit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c

:seeya:

hypnotized

05-16-2008, 12:17 AM

Here's some music she can listen to as she makes her exit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c

:seeya:

How perfect! :beer:

Its just me

05-16-2008, 01:49 AM

Why would this poster need to id this couple in a line up? Is the couple under suspicion for something that wasn't said in these posts?

I thought it interesting but less interesting than the follow up posts. Is there something that is new to Tara's case that isn't being told? Please if anyone has info that will bring Tara home I think it is time, don't you.

CP I had said I wouldn't give you the pleasure of getting a response from me but I have to say you need to get your trouble making self back to WS and take Mckenna with you to feed with your kind but is Believe and Christine making that too difficult for you. I see you have abandoned Tara over there so that pretty much proves this is not about Tara with you and you bringing your tail over here knowing what all you have said and done just adds to this being right. You are another one we have had enough of...It's hard enough keeping your lies and stone throwing straight on our Nescience threads at TT. What are you drinking tonight that causes the devil to rear it's ugly head trying to cause more trouble. You can possibly fool any newbie reading but you don't fool the ones that really know you. On one thread you call for truce and here on this thread it's just business as usual but I do admit one has to know you and read between the lines. You have a right to post here but trust me not a one here that has stuck with Tara's case gives a rip **** about anything that comes from your lying and hypocritical self.
CP you didn't want to hear what any of us had to say at WS so you and your crazy buddies helped to get them banned. Do you think people are crazy CP. People know you and if you didn't want to post with any here when they were at WS why in hell do you bring your ass over here today. Sober up. fep

One2Snoop

05-16-2008, 01:57 AM

CP I had said I wouldn't give you the pleasure of getting a response from me but I have to say you need to get your trouble making self back to WS and take Mckenna with you to feed with your kind but is Believe and Christine making that too difficult for you. I see you have abandoned Tara over there so that pretty much proves this is not about Tara with you and you bringing your tail over here knowing what all you have said and done just adds to this being right. You are another one we have had enough of...It's hard enough keeping your lies and stone throwing straight on our Nescience threads at TT. What are you drinking tonight that causes the devil to rear it's ugly head trying to cause more trouble. You can possibly fool any newbie reading but you don't fool the ones that really know you. On one thread you call for truce and here on this thread it's just business as usual but I do admit one has to know you and read between the lines. You have a right to post here but trust me not a one here that has stuck with Tara's case gives a rip **** about anything that comes from your lying and hypocritical self. fep

Amen fep :beer: - I certainly hope CP took the time to listen to that song I picked out just for her.

Here's the link again in case she missed it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c

Its just me

05-16-2008, 02:40 AM

Amen fep :beer: - I certainly hope CP took the time to listen to that song I picked out just for her.

Here's the link again in case she missed it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c

LOL I love this group and it's a perfect song but Snoop we all know CP...She just doesn’t get it or something and imo it's "something". I read her truce thread and it turned my stomach. I can honestly say I wish CP the very best in her real life and if she would be honest she knows this. But CP is reaching for the stars to think anyone will trust her and is crazy enough to suck up to her truce calling on Tara's message board. Plus MY opinion she's not sincere anyway. CP is a Internet junkie and her little playhouse over at WS blew up and she is suffering for the attention she gets from posting on the Internet. She made a post of two with HP today over on another Tara board that probably don't get much if any traffic and that is too boring for CP...She doesn’t stand a chance in h*** getting back in at TT and she already posts under another nic at 320 so here she is calling for a truce. Well I got news for CP thou I wish her well in her life off the boards CP has gone too far and done too much to call for a truce. If CP is really interested in Tara she needs to get back with the ex WS group that seems to have gone MIA simply because some of the mess they post started to be questioned by people they could not get banned and someone that can see their stone throwing. That is why HP got put in the pokey..throwing stones that came back and hit her. This would cause less confusion and keep Tara's board at WS active. CP called for a truce but I'm calling for the TRUTH. For now I'll leave all the harm and deceitful things CP and Company have posted unless CP wants to pursue it..then I will give her a head full. CP needs to understand we are all required to forgive but we ARE NOT required to jump back into the frying pan knowing full well we will get burned again. Fep

ETA: If CP had any kind of record helping in Tara's case I'd take my chance to get burned again but sadly that is not the case. fep

Brainstorm

05-16-2008, 11:15 AM

Its just me

05-16-2008, 12:04 PM

Maybe cp posted that in the wrong place. I think she made a mistake,and meant to put that at WS. I dont understand. Do we need a truce here, for anything? I feel no need,since its not about US, or sides, or US(again)
I stick by anything Ive said.No regrets, no apologies, until this is over, then I will do what I need to do.
Is calling a TRUCE the same thing as screaming UNCLE when one has been defeated?

Truce and Uncle Might be the same BS but CP only took one post to forget about the Truce or Uncle IMHOO...I 100% agree this should only be about Tara but for some reason some began personal attacts and it's only human to want to respond. I'm like you and stick by anything I've said with no regrets or apologies to the message board world. I don't have any future plans to stop calling things as I see them either because this case has had enough foolishness to last forever. Some things put out are not related to Tara's case contrary to what some want to imply and WS was the only place left full of such. But WindChime put a damper on that and gave Tara's board total new beginning. That should tell people something. As for me I'm not interested in it being brought back here at CL..We've already been down that road and it didn't accomplish one thing except HP wanting to protect the integrity she claims to have and CP picking up camp and moving to WS with her and her claimed integrity throwing stones because they got mad... but I'm just one voice. fep

Atok

05-16-2008, 12:53 PM

Why would this poster need to id this couple in a line up? Is the couple under suspicion for something that wasn't said in these posts?

I thought it interesting but less interesting than the follow up posts. Is there something that is new to Tara's case that isn't being told? Please if anyone has info that will bring Tara home I think it is time, don't you.

You found a vague and random post more interesting than ones asking for detailed, credible or useful information? Of course you did, you prefer gossip over facts. Well, I'm sorry, most of us are just sick of the stupid gossip and want to actually find out what happened to Tara Grinstead.

Posts that are vague and useless will no longer be treated with kid gloves. This case has been a circus for too long. People actually care about this teacher, this beautiful young woman who has simply vanished off the face of the earth.

No one cares that "Mckenna" saw a fat couple sobbing at the GBI office a few months ago. Even though she tried to make it seem like it was near the day of disappearance, after further questioning it was apparent it was smoke. Anyone who happend to be sobbing at a GBI office in Perry is not default-related to Tara's case. It's not even intriguing, it's a RANDOM connection someone is trying to use to force into an allegation; throwing stones and we can see it a mile away.

Mckenna want us to dismiss it if we don't think it's relevant? Not a fat chance, we'll call it out as spurious and garbage because that's what it is before we let her skate off back into the banned sunset.

To answer your insincere question as you conveniently made an appearence here to defend this gossip "Why would this poster need to id this couple in a line up? Is the couple under suspicion ..." You leap to the idea (just like the OP) that the couple must be involved in something nefarious. Do you know this couple yourself? I think you do. You want them to be under some suspicion or you wouldn't be backing up the BS.

The line up comment was written to express that Mckenna doesn't have a good enough grasp on her descriptions regarding said incident for it to amount to a hill of beans. She doesn't know her day, she doesn't know the plate number, her whole acocunt is smoke meant to insinuate harm.

I apologize to the board for my long rant, but really I couldn't sit here anymore and watch the BS. I certainly couldn't watch another gossip monger come twist away in the wind over here now. It's why you left in the first place, remember?

Brainstorm

05-16-2008, 01:40 PM

You found a vague and random post more interesting than ones asking for detailed, credible or useful information? Of course you did, you prefer gossip over facts. Well, I'm sorry, most of us are just sick of the stupid gossip and want to actually find out what happened to Tara Grinstead.

Posts that are vague and useless will no longer be treated with kid gloves. This case has been a circus for too long. People actually care about this teacher, this beautiful young woman who has simply vanished off the face of the earth.

No one cares that "Mckenna" saw a fat couple sobbing at the GBI office a few months ago. Even though she tried to make it seem like it was near the day of disappearance, after further questioning it was apparent it was smoke. Anyone who happend to be sobbing at a GBI office in Perry is not default-related to Tara's case. It's not even intriguing, it's a RANDOM connection someone is trying to use to force into an allegation; throwing stones and we can see it a mile away.

Mckenna want us to dismiss it if we don't think it's relevant? Not a fat chance, we'll call it out as spurious and garbage because that's what it is before we let her skate off back into the banned sunset.

To answer your insincere question as you conveniently made an appearence here to defend this gossip "Why would this poster need to id this couple in a line up? Is the couple under suspicion ..." You leap to the idea (just like the OP) that the couple must be involved in something nefarious. Do you know this couple yourself? I think you do. You want them to be under some suspicion or you wouldn't be backing up the BS.

The line up comment was written to express that Mckenna doesn't have a good enough grasp on her descriptions regarding said incident for it to amount to a hill of beans. She doesn't know her day, she doesn't know the plate number, her whole acocunt is smoke meant to insinuate harm.

I apologize to the board for my long rant, but really I couldn't sit here anymore and watch the BS. I certainly couldn't watch another gossip monger come twist away in the wind over here now. It's why you left in the first place, remember?

No need to apologize,imo. You said it very well, imo. Thank You. I agree with every word.

Its just me

05-16-2008, 08:12 PM

No need to apologize,imo. You said it very well, imo. Thank You. I agree with every word.

Amen I agree Brainstrom no apology needed and well said. Thank you Atok. fep

Its just me

05-16-2008, 08:14 PM

No need to apologize,imo. You said it very well, imo. Thank You. I agree with every word.

Amen I agree Brainstrom no apology needed and well said. But I feel a "Thank you Atok" is needed. fep

Its just me

05-16-2008, 08:41 PM

Oooops..Don't know how my double post happened. I made a edit and didn't check in time to delete one. :rolleyes: Sorry. feppy

Its just me

05-16-2008, 10:20 PM

I see CP is back with her slingshot throwing stones at us local people. I have to wonder if she has her pill bottle or liquor bottle in one hand and her slingshot in the other. CP certainly has a history of posting crazy stuff at night. Absolutely Pathetic. fep

McKenna

05-17-2008, 09:56 AM

Does anyone ever talk about TARA GRINSTEAD on this "Member *Disucssion* of Tara Grinstead Case" ??

:confused:

Brainstorm

05-17-2008, 10:06 AM

Go ahead, what do you have to say,about this case?

minga

05-17-2008, 12:43 PM

Does anyone ever talk about TARA GRINSTEAD on this "Member *Disucssion* of Tara Grinstead Case" ??

:confused:

This forum and every other Tara forum is about Tara. It's not to talk ABOUT Tara, but about what may have happened to her. Bad shot that missed by a mile Mckenna....CP? Once again your logic fails as does CP, you and your buddy need to regroup and find a brain cell you might share. If you rub it together it heats up and you might find a spark it generated and finally get something, but I'm not holding my breath. Disucssion indeed. :rolleyes:

This is old and ridiculous. Please give it up, you are only disrespecting her and her family with this lunacy.

Its just me

05-17-2008, 12:59 PM

This forum and every other Tara forum is about Tara. It's not to talk ABOUT Tara, but about what may have happened to her. Bad shot that missed by a mile Mckenna....CP? Once again your logic fails as does CP, you and your buddy need to regroup and find a brain cell you might share. If you rub it together it heats up and you might find a spark it generated and finally get something, but I'm not holding my breath. Disucssion indeed. :rolleyes:

This is old and ridiculous. Please give it up, you are only disrespecting her and her family with this lunacy.

What a hoot...Like Mckenna has ever contributed anything but mischief to Tara's board. Oh Lawd...Kenna is not capable of a discussion...she's too busy thowing stones. fep

minga

05-17-2008, 01:16 PM

For anyone new to this case I feel I need to explain that this is history repeating itself. Some pretty bad history at that. We don't treat everyone this way, but the ones who come to make trouble are not easily tolerated and CP has caused trouble in ways you could never understand.

She's deserving of every statement addressed to her. We tried to ignore her, but she demands that she will not be ignored...so what you see is what she gets for her own foolish demands of not being ignored.

It would have been much more pleasant had she just kept away with her other trouble making buddies. They've lost their other board because of trouble making and she was attempting to find a new one to promote BS and disharmony.

We aren't taking.

readmylips

05-17-2008, 01:31 PM

minga

05-17-2008, 02:11 PM

Thank you for a wonderful, coherent explanation. I know it must be hard for newcomers who stumble across this stuff to understand what in the world is happening.

Thanks RML, that was my thought on the matter. It looks bad and it can't be pleasant to come across something that looks as if you are in a war zone and don't know how you got there.

I apologize to everyone for these disruptions, hopefully CP and Mckenna who is probably CP, will not continue to force an issue. If she does she's really showing her true intent.

Its just me

05-17-2008, 02:31 PM

minga

05-17-2008, 02:52 PM

Thanks to the both of you. There is no doubt we do look like a war zone and I guess it is but I was not the one who declared war with CP and she knows it. She has posted about my deceased family member and threw her stone one time too many for me to sit by and let her destroy what we are trying to start again here at CL. I hope everyone reading not familiar with the personal events that has taken place will skip over or not let the side shows in the war zone bother them. One only has to read the posts since CL became active again to know what has caused the problem. If I lived close to CP what I have to tell her would not be on this message board...I would take care of things personally but that is not the case. I'm not going to overlook CP here and I do apologize for that. fep

Fep, I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. I simply meant that CP comes in trying to stir up trouble knowing full well what the situation was and that we as a group aren't about to let her and her cronies who jump boards and get banned and leave in hissy fits try to come in and start their brand of trouble all over again. Way too much water under that bridge.

Fep, just picture me with the AK-47 she's always spouting about and I"ll take her on myself. You don't have to be associated with any of this. She's done terrible things to you and others and for that I am sorry and you don't have to be associated with her ever again. I'm so sorry if I made you feel bad.

For people who don't know CP has gotten extremely, incredibly and disgustingly personal in Fep's and other people's personal traumas and lives and laughed and promoted laughter about those personal tragedies and losses on other sites. That's enough to show she isn't someone who has Tara's interest at heart and we have no wish to associate with such a person.

:rose: For you Fep.

Its just me

05-17-2008, 05:28 PM

Fep, I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. I simply meant that CP comes in trying to stir up trouble knowing full well what the situation was and that we as a group aren't about to let her and her cronies who jump boards and get banned and leave in hissy fits try to come in and start their brand of trouble all over again. Way too much water under that bridge.

Fep, just picture me with the AK-47 she's always spouting about and I"ll take her on myself. You don't have to be associated with any of this. She's done terrible things to you and others and for that I am sorry and you don't have to be associated with her ever again. I'm so sorry if I made you feel bad.

For people who don't know CP has gotten extremely, incredibly and disgustingly personal in Fep's and other people's personal traumas and lives and laughed and promoted laughter about those personal tragedies and losses on other sites. That's enough to show she isn't someone who has Tara's interest at heart and we have no wish to associate with such a person.

:rose: For you Fep.

Oh Dear my friend you haven't said anything that made me feel bad. I'm sooo very sorry if my post being so firm about CP made you think this. Trust me you and RML said absolutely nothing wrong only the opposite. I appreciate you guys explaining why we have these war zone posts and since I'm the worst one (yes I am) I felt the need to explain why and why mine won't stop as long as CP keeps showing her face trying to start trouble like her last episode accusing local people of hiding something.
:rose: You're a good person Minga and I'm glad to be able to call you a friend. fep
ETA: I just reread my post...I can see why you thought this. Again I'm sorry..I promise what I sounded like was not in my heart or mind. fep

Brainstorm

05-17-2008, 06:09 PM

Thank you for a wonderful, coherent explanation. I know it must be hard for newcomers who stumble across this stuff to understand what in the world is happening.

I agree.BUT, we have to TRY to keep the nonsense to a minimum.

fep, I agree with you too. I would handle this problem differently, if she were closer.

The R

05-17-2008, 08:25 PM

Does anyone ever talk about TARA GRINSTEAD on this "Member *Disucssion* of Tara Grinstead Case" ??

:confused:

I see a good bit about TG but then I see junk in the form of baiting and useless info from posters like you. Crap like, "I saw two fat people that might've been from Irwin at the GBI HQ in Perry....they were there months ago, I couldn't really say when, but I did just happen to notice they were crying and was able to read their truck tag. Of course I know no one on TG's board would be interested" etc, ad nauseum .......

I got a suggestion for you. Why don't you the investigator tactics you learned from that K-Mart correspondence course somewhere else where they'd be appreciated?

I know I'd be grateful.

ALLMO,
R

concernedperson

05-17-2008, 08:47 PM

I see a good bit about TG but then I see junk in the form of baiting and useless info from posters like you. Crap like, "I saw two fat people that might've been from Irwin at the GBI HQ in Perry....they were there months ago, I couldn't really say when, but I did just happen to notice they were crying and was able to read their truck tag. Of course I know no one on TG's board would be interested" etc, ad nauseum .......

I got a suggestion for you. Why don't you the investigator tactics you learned from that K-Mart correspondence course somewhere else where they'd be appreciated?

I know I'd be grateful.

ALLMO,
R

The fat female was crying not the other one. I believe she said she knew they were from Irwin County as the tags said so.Why would she write the tag number down when they were already at GBI? Pretty much a useless endeavor.

The R

05-17-2008, 08:58 PM

The fat female was crying not the other one. I believe she said she knew they were from Irwin County as the tags said so.Why would she write the tag number down when they were already at GBI? Pretty much a useless endeavor.

The point to me was the credibility of the info. Why wouldn't the poster remember the date with something more specific than a few months ago? What harm would it to cause to share that info? The posters intentional vagueness raises questions about the truth of any of the info IMO. Why even bring up the info if it's not important anyway?

I didn't want the tag number, but found it interesting the poster was careful enough to see it was from Irwin but didn't know what month it was.

This place has seen enough bait and switch junk.

ALLMO,
R

minga

05-17-2008, 08:58 PM

Maybaby59

05-17-2008, 11:52 PM

Like you, I recall a person posting here about the reason HD went and why he left the card in the door for the 'next person to find', etc. This person has since stated elsewhere that she was 'told' or 'requested' by others to post that information here on this forum.

The same 'others' also provided (to the same person and others I am sure) the information about Dr. Gattis being 'on a run' the morning of 10/24 as the reason it took so long for Anita and him to get to Ocilla.

FWIW--

Bump...

I've always wondered about this card being left for the next person to find...why wasn't it left for Tara to find it? :confused:

minga

05-18-2008, 12:02 AM

Bump...

I've always wondered about this card being left for the next person to find...why wasn't it left for Tara to find it? :confused:

Possibly AG was scrambling to cover HD's actions and that's the best she could do? Some think it was to cover his butt. I would love to know the truth.

Maybaby59

05-18-2008, 12:36 AM

There is an article somewhere (I'm not sure which one) where Maria said they were in Hawkinsville looking for Tara Monday morning.

Why they were looking for her prior to her being reported missing is anyone's guess.

That's why I believe some of the answers lie in Hawkinsville. Why would they think Tara would be in Hawkinsville on Monday morning when they know she has to go to work? Doesn't make sense. But yet, that's what they were doing.

Bump...why were they looking for her in Hawkinsville? Did Tara have plans to be there with someone?

minga

05-18-2008, 12:42 AM

Bump...why were they looking for her in Hawkinsville? Did Tara have plans to be there with someone?

There was always the question about whether Tara intended to go to church with her Mother. I think somewhere in all these posts the answer was that she didn't. I haven't a clue where the posts are but there was also talk about an argument between Tara and her Mother as part of the reason she may not have planned to go to Hawkinsville for church that Sunday. Truth or rumor? I don't know. I think also things were misstated and no one knows what the truth is about that. I don't think there would be a reason to be looking for her in Hawkinsville.

Atok

05-18-2008, 01:00 AM

There was always the question about whether Tara intended to go to church with her Mother. I think somewhere in all these posts the answer was that she didn't. I haven't a clue where the posts are but there was also talk about an argument between Tara and her Mother as part of the reason she may not have planned to go to Hawkinsville for church that Sunday. Truth or rumor? I don't know. I think also things were misstated and no one knows what the truth is about that. I don't think there would be a reason to be looking for her in Hawkinsville.

Yes, Minga, that's what I recall. Tara had an open invitation to attend church with her mother. She didn't always go. If I recall correctly as well, she sometimes didn't make church but would still visit in the afternoon. Early on in the information sharing here it was said Tara's mother was trying to firm up the plans about whether Tara was coming or not and could not get a hold of her.

The reasons for looking in Hawkinsville ran the gamut of thinking maybe she headed that way and didn't make it, like a car accident, to uglier gossip that she had some date in a no-tell hotel that may have gone sour. It's gossip though. People who could answer why they looked in Hawkinsvlle, like Maria H. and Tara's Mother will not and have not spoken to the public about why.

Without a statement from them we are left to guess. Other facts, including phone records of when her mother tried to call her were never released to the public. Information regarding an argument that would cause Tara to not want to visit her mother that weekend or to attend church never got any confirmation by her mother. Like most speculation, we do not know and Tara isn't here to confirm or deny.

minga

05-18-2008, 01:12 AM

Yes, Minga, that's what I recall. Tara had an open invitation to attend church with her mother. She didn't always go. If I recall correctly as well, she sometimes didn't make church but would still visit in the afternoon. Early on in the information sharing here it was said Tara's mother was trying to firm up the plans about whether Tara was coming or not and could not get a hold of her.

The reasons for looking in Hawkinsville ran the gamut of thinking maybe she headed that way and didn't make it, like a car accident, to uglier gossip that she had some date in a no-tell hotel that may have gone sour. It's gossip though. People who could answer why they looked in Hawkinsvlle, like Maria H. and Tara's Mother will not and have not spoken to the public about why.

Without a statement from them we are left to guess. Other facts, including phone records of when her mother tried to call her were never released to the public. Information regarding an argument that would cause Tara to not want to visit her mother that weekend or to attend church never got any confirmation by her mother. Like most speculation, we do not know and Tara isn't here to confirm or deny.

Thanks Atok. It sure would be nice if someone would answer the real questions and put an end to the rumors. It might put someone on the road to real answers instead of pages full of speculations.

Maybaby59

05-18-2008, 01:43 AM

Possibly AG was scrambling to cover HD's actions and that's the best she could do? Some think it was to cover his butt. I would love to know the truth.

There was always the question about whether Tara intended to go to church with her Mother. I think somewhere in all these posts the answer was that she didn't. I haven't a clue where the posts are but there was also talk about an argument between Tara and her Mother as part of the reason she may not have planned to go to Hawkinsville for church that Sunday. Truth or rumor? I don't know. I think also things were misstated and no one knows what the truth is about that. I don't think there would be a reason to be looking for her in Hawkinsville.

Thank you, Minga...:) I wish there was a way to know if the statement about the card was really a direct quote from HD...the answer could be very telling if it was...

And I'd read that Tara wasn't sure about going to church with her Mother on Sunday...I just couldn't make the connection as to why they'd be looking for her in Hawkinsville unless they knew she might have had plans to see or spend time with someone there besides her Mother...as you said, I think this probably was misstated...

JMHO

Maybaby59

05-18-2008, 01:49 AM

Yes, Minga, that's what I recall. Tara had an open invitation to attend church with her mother. She didn't always go. If I recall correctly as well, she sometimes didn't make church but would still visit in the afternoon. Early on in the information sharing here it was said Tara's mother was trying to firm up the plans about whether Tara was coming or not and could not get a hold of her.

The reasons for looking in Hawkinsville ran the gamut of thinking maybe she headed that way and didn't make it, like a car accident, to uglier gossip that she had some date in a no-tell hotel that may have gone sour. It's gossip though. People who could answer why they looked in Hawkinsvlle, like Maria H. and Tara's Mother will not and have not spoken to the public about why.

Without a statement from them we are left to guess. Other facts, including phone records of when her mother tried to call her were never released to the public. Information regarding an argument that would cause Tara to not want to visit her mother that weekend or to attend church never got any confirmation by her mother. Like most speculation, we do not know and Tara isn't here to confirm or deny.

I know someone has said this before...I just don't understand why there was no plea from the family for info regarding Tara's whereabouts...maybe there was, but I missed it...or anything from LE...why no updates? Why not release some or any information that could be helpful in finding Tara? Maybe I just don't see the big picture, so to speak...

JMHO

Brainstorm

05-18-2008, 10:55 AM

I know someone has said this before...I just don't understand why there was no plea from the family for info regarding Tara's whereabouts...maybe there was, but I missed it...or anything from LE...why no updates? Why not release some or any information that could be helpful in finding Tara? Maybe I just don't see the big picture, so to speak...

JMHO

You arent the only one that doesnt see the big picture.Baffling, imo. UNLESS, they know?

SaraSidle

05-18-2008, 08:18 PM

You arent the only one that doesnt see the big picture.Baffling, imo. UNLESS, they know?

I am still playing catch up and it is not easy!

Maybaby59

05-19-2008, 02:51 AM

One particular question I have is this ~ "Is there ANY truth in the allegation that LG and Tara were having an affair?".

Larry Harriet, CourtNet -- Tuesday, February 7th, 2006

quote: LARRY GATTIS: Yes, and what made it really obvious is the fact that part of their accusation was the fact that Anita had caught us twice, supposedly a week before she disappeared, and I had been asked about this on numerous, numerous of occasions, and actually probably about it the last time, and they never bothered to ask Anita if she saw that. :end quote

http://courtnetonline.bravehost.com/taragrinstead1.html

IMO

Am I reading this right? Is LG saying it's a fact that AG had caught him and Tara together twice a week before she disappeared? :confused: And who was doing all the asking about this on the numerous occasions?

JMHO

Its just me

05-19-2008, 06:24 AM

Am I reading this right? Is LG saying it's a fact that AG had caught him and Tara together twice a week before she disappeared? :confused: And who was doing all the asking about this on the numerous occasions?

JMHO

snip: quote: LARRY GATTIS: Yes, and what made it really obvious is the fact that part of their accusation was the fact that Anita had caught us twice, supposedly a week before she disappeared, and I had been asked about this on numerous, numerous of occasions, and actually probably about it the last time, and they never bothered to ask Anita if she saw that.

It is kind of confusing isn't it MB. Unless it was a slip up I say he is saying the people making the accusation said it was a fact. It's just hard to tell LOL I tend to think he wouldn't be telling on himself but since he got on national TV and said he failed the part of the LDT about having an affair with Tara I don't really don't know. feppy

Its just me

05-19-2008, 06:59 AM

Possibly AG was scrambling to cover HD's actions and that's the best she could do? Some think it was to cover his butt. I would love to know the truth.

I think you are most likely correct. I don't question that AG and HD talked (a lot) but why would they discuss why he left the card in the door unless they discussed how to present it to the public. That I wouldn't doubt but leaving it for the next person to see makes zero sense to me. I believe there is enough solid information to say that he did leave the card. To me it is clear AG did not want anything about HD to come out.

I think it was not unusual for Tara to miss going to church with FG. The way I understood FG's interview was if Tara had to study and had a busy weekend she normally would not go. FG also said she did not begin to get worried until late that afternoon when Tara had not returned her calls. IIRC I was told she had only one recorded message left to Tara but sometimes my memory is wrong. Someone also made the suggestion about MHu and FG looking for Tara when the call came that she was missing was they could have been making phone calls and not actually out physically looking in the Hawkinsville area..which makes sense.
I'm of the opinion that FG had not confirmed anything with Tara about her coming Sunday and she made a call to Tara sometime Sunday that was a normal thing as time passed and Tara had not contacted her she started to wonder but not worry...Tara was a big girl and had a busy life. I think when FG talked to HD at 12:30 am Monday morning and Tara was not home she really really got concerned and called the P's. I don't know what it is but there is a piece missing to these middle of the night phone calls because it makes no sense for FG to speak with HD while he is at her house and she hangs up and calls the neighbors to ask if Tara's car was home and if things looked normal. The only conclusion I can come up with is HD did not tell her where he was but that's just my thinking. What I cannot understand is why they have been so secretive about HD when in the end it created a lot of suspicion on HD. A crazy case. fep

The R

05-19-2008, 08:00 AM

Atok

05-19-2008, 09:44 AM

Just another speculative idea to throw in the pile:

What if HD picked up TG that night and while they were driving she became angry and demanded to get out and walk? He pulled over, she got out, and he decided to drive off to let her walk for a minute and cool off. When he returns, she is nowhere to be found.

Not very probable, but it is possible IMO. Could also help explain some other things.

ALLMO,
R

Would you want to say you saw her knowing you'd have been the last to see her alive AND you really didn't know what happened to her? In hindsight he could have nailed down when she actually disappeared if this speculation were true. He does say he was at her house, but did not see her. Never figured out why he was in town that late evening.

I think it has possibilities that they did see each other and there was an argument or something to separate them. Never felt satisfactory about that whole chain of events.

The R

05-19-2008, 11:01 AM

Would you want to say you saw her knowing you'd have been the last to see her alive AND you really didn't know what happened to her? In hindsight he could have nailed down when she actually disappeared if this speculation were true. He does say he was at her house, but did not see her. Never figured out why he was in town that late evening.

I think it has possibilities that they did see each other and there was an argument or something to separate them. Never felt satisfactory about that whole chain of events.

Understand how you feel there. When you add to the scenario the inaccurate reporting we've seen and the discretion allowed LE (in which it could easliy extend the benefit of the doubt to one of its esteemed own) it makes the scenario a little more plausible IMO.
When I say benefit of the doubt and LE discretion, I'm not referring to anything illegal; only something like no public statements released that would put some -in the opinion of LE- in a negative light maybe unnecessarily.

ALLMO,
R

Atok

05-19-2008, 12:06 PM

It is probably why HD's personal timeline/alibi hasn't been released. I've read on the boards that the GBI is satisfied with his statements, but I don't have a link where the GBI says they are satisfied. When I've asked in the past, posters would say, if they weren't satisfied there would be deeper questioning and he wouldn't be on the payroll. I don't agree with that. You can't take away a man's job becuase you are dissatisfied with his comments when you don't have enough evidence to link him to a fireable offence!

Satisfied can mean so many things. Satisfied that's all he's going to tell them, or that there is nothing more to know, that they are happy with his comment or that they are satisfied "for now?" It sure covers alot of ground and doesn't drop him off the radar for me.

I imagine that they didn't want to dial up the heat on him without anything substantial to cool it off. He was actively working in the LE at the time unlike MH, so there was more of a reason in their eyes to treat him with leeway?

MH got accused by AG right away and HD was excused by AG. How AG conclusively made those two determinations and the speed at which she proclaimed them has always been of interest to me.

Her explanations have only created more questions which is just like when I catch my 9 year old trying to cover something up. So my personal intuition is all I have to judge what I hear and what I hear is someone hiding information.

SaraSidle

05-19-2008, 12:43 PM

Atok

05-19-2008, 01:51 PM

The information that HD placed a cell phone call at that late night hour and that the cell tower was the one by Tara's were all released by the dubious Dr. Maurice Goodwin.

Earlier I believed that information because as soon as it was released Mr. Goodwin fell out of the good graces of the Gattis family. It seems that whenever information that runs contrary to their story comes out they cut off the person who provides it. Previously he was their shining angel of truth, so go figure. Their shun of him is what made the report credible to me.

Now, with that said, has anyone really gotten phone records from HD? He doesn't seem to be one who would make that easy to get or release info like that willingly. What about records from Tara's own phone line or any of the other parties from that weekend. Did the Dr. make up the cell phone information regarding HD to bolster his position in the investigation? Was the fact that HD was present in Tara's yard released to Dr. G personally in confidence and he leaked it to make himself look smart and in the know? Is his claim true? I don't know.

I had previously gone with the assumption that HD was in Tara's yard at 12:15 and made a call. HD's presence at that hour in Tara's yard is very damaging to him IMO.

Today, I do not know if that is fact. Release of actual cell phone records would help, but they might need to stay in the hands of investigators for potential evidence if they can ever bring someone to justice on this case.

SaraSidle

05-19-2008, 02:11 PM