Ocillians & Local News

[HonestInjun]

What's so laughable are the "cock-a-dooble-doo's" who come on CTV and make comments about Tara and her family who have never met them, know absolutely jack-squat about them but report info their mystery sources have given them as absolute fact. You can take all of these theories and stories and file them in file 13.

From day one, the whole case has had 99.9% major inconsistencies from LE and beyond. It does make you wonder why. But, notice one thing, GBI has not commented and will not comment until they have the case SOLVED. No one on this board has the brains or insight to solve anything. They know NOTHING. And I agree with GAC, the insults don't help one bit. But those who sling them don't really care, do they?

I wish peace for the family and that is all. It will soon be one year and that is way too long for any family to suffer without a clue as to the whereabouts of their loved one.


Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


What in the world are you apologizing for? You haven't broken any law.

You haven't done anything wrong.

If someone gets offended, big deal.

People do not come to this message board and discuss Tara Grinstead's case because of anyone other than Tara Grinstead.

Anita is hinky as hell. She does some strange stuff.

That isn't libelous. It's my opinion. And obviously the opinion of a lot of other people. She is a strange bird.

I personally do believe that the answer to Tara's disappearance lies up in Hawkinsville. There is a lot of stuff that isn't being said. A lot of lies being told. A lot of misinformation being spread. A lot of ommissions.

Everyone is buzzing about this "behind the scenes", but everyone is scared to death to say anything publicly because of the stigma attached to "bashing family" of a victim. I don't care if they're the family of the pope, if something stinks, it stinks. I'm not gonna tell everyone it smells like roses when it doesn't.

There is absolutely nothing malicious in your post. Therefore there is absolutely nothing slanderous. People get off on this slander and libel crap when they get their feelings hurt. Hurting someone's feelings does not equate to libel.

I'm not an attorney, but believe me, I've walked the line so close for so long and have been threated so many times to be sued, I've done my fair share of defensive reading about libel. I don't see anything within your post that could possibly be construed as libel.

(Don't let people scare you away with that talk. That's been the tone for the last 6 months when someone says something they don't like: "Oooohhhh... I'm gonna tell.... and you're gonna get sued..." LMAO Idiots.)

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by BevAnn
Man, I canceled my hair appt and everything yesterday - becuase BenHill said to watch for BREAKING news on the 7th!!!!:mad:

No breaking news that I see.....and my hair is a mess now. Thanks Ben Hill!!!

:seeya:

He changed it to the 10th last I read........:shrug:

[BevAnn]

yes, yes Simply, I think you are correct.

I can't keep up!! :punch: I guess I'll run get the hair do, so I can be READY for the BIG news....:tongue:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BevAnn
yes, yes Simply, I think you are correct.

I can't keep up!! :punch: I guess I'll run get the hair do, so I can be READY for the BIG news....:tongue:

Better yet, BevieAnn, why not just have them shave your head while at the parlor and donate "your hair" to my friend who lost all of her hair last month following chemo treatments. Would be a nice gesture, don't you think? :beer:

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
I'm changing the way I approach Anita Gattis in posts. I don't know her, don't pretend to know her and yet I bash her. So, I'm going to knock that off. She seems to do things that I don't understand and appear hinky, but maybe they are explainable.

My father in law's memorial service was on Friday night. His grown kids from his first marriage arrived on Saturday morning at my mother in laws to clean out her house. They took a home entertainment center, photography stuff, etc. My mother in law is shell shocked because her husband died within 5 days of his diagnosis. She is barely able to function and these idiots clean her out.

I only mention that if not for the Grace of God, I could be in Anita's place. I'm going to stop judging her, although, I still don't agree with a lot of her stuff.
Thank you for your post. This is the most intelligent one I've seen in awhile. If everyone else could possibly imagine themselves in a similar situation, I think some of the garbage on this board would cease. You don't KNOW what you would say (or not say) when a camera is in your face. You say things, then you think later about something you forgot. It happens to ANYONE who has ever spoken publicly. Not just the people being discussed on this board. None of us really know how that family feels because none of us are IN that family. There is a NICE WAY of asking about inconsistent items without openly bashing people in the process. Thank you again, TD, for your post.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


Better yet, BevieAnn, why not just have them shave your head while at the parlor and donate "your hair" to my friend who lost all of her hair last month following chemo treatments. Would be a nice gesture, don't you think? :beer:

Good point Injun.

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


Better yet, BevieAnn, why not just have them shave your head while at the parlor and donate "your hair" to my friend who lost all of her hair last month following chemo treatments. Would be a nice gesture, don't you think? :beer:

My hubby did that. Locks of Love.

It's Bev Ann...not Bevie...;)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Does anyone know if Faye Grinstead drives?

Hi V! :seeya:

I don't know whether of not Faye Grinstead drives, but IIRC, she isn't in the best of health.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun
What's so laughable are the "cock-a-dooble-doo's" who come on CTV and make comments about Tara and her family who have never met them, know absolutely jack-squat about them but report info their mystery sources have given them as absolute fact. You can take all of these theories and stories and file them in file 13.

From day one, the whole case has had 99.9% major inconsistencies from LE and beyond. It does make you wonder why. But, notice one thing, GBI has not commented and will not comment until they have the case SOLVED. No one on this board has the brains or insight to solve anything. They know NOTHING. And I agree with GAC, the insults don't help one bit. But those who sling them don't really care, do they?

I wish peace for the family and that is all. It will soon be one year and that is way too long for any family to suffer without a clue as to the whereabouts of their loved one.




I don't have to "know" someone to have an opinion of whether their public statements are inconsistent, hinky, lies, misdirection or anything else I may have the opinion of. How lame.

You don't "know" these posters on this message board, but yet you form an opinion on their public statements and insult them. Huh?

Wow, see how that works?

My "source" is most definitely trustworthy. So far I've been hearing the Marcus bashers claim "any day now" for the last 5 months. Over and over and over we keep hearing about secret sources that say an arrest is coming or "big news" is coming... and then nothing ever comes of fruition. But yet you trust those, huh? The ones that never pan out? LMAO

So don't blow your hypocritical hotair about "insults" and "not knowing people" when you're sitting here doing the exact same thing.

[Lindsey]

Faye Grinstead does drive and at the time of Tara's disappearance her health was good. It is my understanding, the stress of these last months have caused her health to decline so she might not be able to drive at the present time.

AFAIK, there was no reason for Faye to not drive to Ocilla (or anywhere else) to check on Tara last October.

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Does anyone know if Faye Grinstead drives?

[simply quiet]

For some reason, I have a feeling we may need to pick BFD up off the floor on this one.

:shrug: JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by cricketgal
Hey BFD,

Got a project for you since you are the chosen supersleuth.

Find out what happened to the money the sheriff found in the car. I will see if I can find the link. He stated there was $300 in the console of Tara's car but I heard GBI handed only $100 over to the family. See if you can determine what happened to the rest of the cash.

His "sources" might not have the answer to that question.

[BevAnn]

But they might....

[simply quiet]

OT.........I am I reading that boards here will be revamped and possibly closed for 7 days?

And all threads will start new?

[Lindsey]

I have never met Faye Grinstead. I have never seen her driving but I have been told by someone who has known her for a very long time that she does drive. I have no reason to not believe this lady since she does know the whole family, very well.

I don't think Faye Grinstead went to Ocilla that Monday morning at all, not with Maria or anyone else.

If we can only post about what we have personally seen with our own eyes or heard with our own ears, most of us might as well all turn our computers off right now. IMO


Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Lindsey-

You know Ms. Grinstead? You saw her driving last Oct? Do you know if she or Maria drove to Ocilla that Monday morning or did each drive separately?

Just wondering.
:seeya:

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by simply quiet
OT.........I am I reading that boards here will be revamped and possibly closed for 7 days?

And all threads will start new?

Here is CW's post

Coldwater
Administrator

Registered: Aug 2002
Location:
Posts: 1233
8/7 Notice - Very Important!!!!
Any poster who started a thread and wants to keep the information or even if you just want it for your own interest you should start copying those threads immediately.

The upgrade will be starting soon and ALL current Message Boards will be deleted and everything start new again. There is no way possible to keep the forums, however posters will not have register again as when this system was new.

This is the extent of what I know at present so please don't PM me for more info, I'll post it as I receive it.

If you have copies you can repost the original notice at least.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin


if you do not live in Ocilla and do not truly know the family and friends of tara then you know nothing really. Nothing at all just hearsay on everything you post. you should be careful what you say about people before you know the whole story.

99% of my posts are opinions, nothing more.

If you're local, you obviously don't know the "whole story" either. Tara is still missing, right?

And I hate to break the news to you, but EVERYTHING on the forum is "hearsay". Including your posts. Proximity doesn't equate to "correct". But any time you're ready to prove me wrong, go for it. I'll be waiting for that sworn testimony and/or affidavit signed by "mannequin".

Now, I've noticed the influx lately of the folks who want to talk about the "posters" instead of the actual facts of the case. I wonder why that is?

Give us the rundown of the "true facts" only a "local" would know Mannequin. It might help us unenlightened outsiders understand the case better. After all, that's why you're here, right?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by cricketgal
Hey BFD,

Got a project for you since you are the chosen supersleuth.

Find out what happened to the money the sheriff found in the car. I will see if I can find the link. He stated there was $300 in the console of Tara's car but I heard GBI handed only $100 over to the family. See if you can determine what happened to the rest of the cash.

The more pertinent question would be, "why would they give the money to her family?".

The only person I know of that has said $300 and then $100 is Anita.

I am confident copies of all receipts are available to the family members at the police station.

But if you feel the discrepency may lead us to Tara, I'll see what I can do.

[BevAnn]

I don't think the descrepancy will lead to Tara - I think it will only lead to yet ANOTHER questionable statement made by Anita.:confused:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BevAnn
I don't think the descrepancy will lead to Tara - I think it will only lead to yet ANOTHER questionable statement made by Anita.:confused:

LOL

How observant of you... and might that lead us to Tara?

[Lindsey]

Didn't you mean to say if you do not live in Hawkinsville ... ? (Tara has no family at all in Ocilla.) Are you saying a person might learn more in Hawkinsville about Tara and her disappearance?


Originally posted by Mannequin


if you do not live in Ocilla and do not truly know the family and friends of tara then you know nothing really. Nothing at all just hearsay on everything you post. you should be careful what you say about people before you know the whole story.

[odette]

Originally posted by fsbiii
sogalady-

Like you, I recall a person posting here about the reason HD went and why he left the card in the door for the 'next person to find', etc. This person has since stated elsewhere that she was 'told' or 'requested' by others to post that information here on this forum.

The same 'others' also provided (to the same person and others I am sure) the information about Dr. Gattis being 'on a run' the morning of 10/24 as the reason it took so long for Anita and him to get to Ocilla.

FWIW--



"The same 'others' also provided (to the same person and others I am sure) the information about Dr. Gattis being 'on a run' the morning of 10/24 as the reason it took so long for Anita and him to get to Ocilla".

I am very interested in this run that LG was allegedly on, the morning that Tara was discovered missing. It was a Monday morning, ie a work day. Just wondering out loud .. :confused:

[Lindsey]

Thank you for a great post! We need more from people like you who actually live there and actually know the people involved. When I post, I always get questioned and discounted because I don't live there and I don't personally know anyone there. Thanks again!

Originally posted by georgiacuz
For all the people who have been saying that AG/LG have been bashed, I ask you this? Why has AG washed all the wonderful sayings and wishes to Tara off her vehicle? Wasn't she the one that said she would never give up on finding Tara? Where is all that bravado now? Has something changed so that she feels different? Or and this is my own opinion, has the spotlight on her dimmed and the interviews have grown slim and far between? She seemed to know so much about Tara's life yet they had not spoken in awhile; they were not close. Well for what it's worth, I live in Hawkinsville and I know all parties involved. So what I state is not just my opinion but backed up with facts. There are some very real discrepantcies, with AG and LG. JMOO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by odette


"The same 'others' also provided (to the same person and others I am sure) the information about Dr. Gattis being 'on a run' the morning of 10/24 as the reason it took so long for Anita and him to get to Ocilla".

I am very interested in this run that LG was allegedly on, the morning that Tara was discovered missing. It was a Monday morning, ie a work day. Just wondering out loud .. :confused:

imo......JUST A GUESS HERE, because he was "ON CALL" call all weekend he may have had that Monday off. :shrug:

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by odette


"The same 'others' also provided (to the same person and others I am sure) the information about Dr. Gattis being 'on a run' the morning of 10/24 as the reason it took so long for Anita and him to get to Ocilla".

I am very interested in this run that LG was allegedly on, the morning that Tara was discovered missing. It was a Monday morning, ie a work day. Just wondering out loud .. :confused:

Yes, this run - actually this thread of it, is the FIRST I'd heard of it. I find it very odd that an emergency type situation, didn't make Anita more hurried. From what I read here, she didn't seem overly concerned :confused: I've had emergency phone calls, where I ran out the door and left everything in the house on! I don't understand her waiting patiently for him to return from him run???:shrug:

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiacuz
For all the people who have been saying that AG/LG have been bashed, I ask you this? Why has AG washed all the wonderful sayings and wishes to Tara off her vehicle? Wasn't she the one that said she would never give up on finding Tara? Where is all that bravado now? Has something changed so that she feels different? Or and this is my own opinion, has the spotlight on her dimmed and the interviews have grown slim and far between? She seemed to know so much about Tara's life yet they had not spoken in awhile; they were not close. Well for what it's worth, I live in Hawkinsville and I know all parties involved. So what I state is not just my opinion but backed up with facts. There are some very real discrepantcies, with AG and LG. JMOO

Your posts are very important to us and the story.

Thank you.

:rose:

[odette]

Originally posted by concernedperson
He allegedly was on a jogging "run". The source was Anita.

I was reading back and found the above post .. It definately does appear that LG was allegedly on a "run" the morning that Tara was discovered missing. If anyone would know for sure, it would be his wife.

All My Opinion

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by cricketgal
Since you have all the facts, let's hear them.

Where is Faye and what is the status of her health??




I think we all know Tara's mom has not been feeling well. It was posted here earlier, I believe.

I am sorry you did not know that.

I pray that she will be feeling better soon.

[mooloo]

Does anyone know Faye Grinstead's age?

Originally posted by simply quiet


I think we all know Tara's mom has not been feeling well. It was posted here earlier, I believe.

I am sorry you did not know that.

I pray that she will be feeling better soon.

[luvmy2labpups]

Oh Goodness, lookie here, I have missed the crew of reincarnations and double nics today. Whew! BFD I agree with you, we need to explore inconsistency, isn't that at the heart of every investigation? There always seems to be a slew of posters that come out of the woodwork whenever inconsistent statements are mentioned. I really can't help wondering why. Guitarstring, you are right this is a message board, forum, no need to feel bad for asking a question about differing statements. Georgiacuz, thanks for the insight, it is very much appreciated here when we have locals who are actually willing to share information. Lindsey, you are correct, even though some of us don't live there it doesn't mean we haven't read, discussed with locals and can see things that have happened on this very forum. Seems like a storm was kicked up over discussing AG and LG, why? Is there a rule on this forum that says "no discussing AG and LG" ? I must have missed that rule.

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
*snip* Seems like a storm was kicked up over discussing AG and LG, why? Is there a rule on this forum that says "no discussing AG and LG" ? I must have missed that rule.

Ain't it the truth!?

Shucks Luv, you didn't send a shout out to lil ole me! :( That's ok, I am SURE it was JUST an oversite on your part!! LOL:D Glad you could join us today!

[odette]

Originally posted by BevAnn


Yes, this run - actually this thread of it, is the FIRST I'd heard of it. I find it very odd that an emergency type situation, didn't make Anita more hurried. From what I read here, she didn't seem overly concerned :confused: I've had emergency phone calls, where I ran out the door and left everything in the house on! I don't understand her waiting patiently for him to return from him run???:shrug:

Yes, Bev Ann .. I have always wondered why LG and AG arrived in Ocilla much later in the day. I think that Tara was officially reported as missing at 8:50am on the Monday morning. Now we find out that their delay in getting to Ocilla was because LG was out on ..... "a run". :confused:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BevAnn


Ain't it the truth!?

Shucks Luv, you didn't send a shout out to lil ole me! :( That's ok, I am SURE it was JUST an oversite on your part!! LOL:D Glad you could join us today! Oh Dear, please forgive me, you are right. I also agree with you, BenHill made promises and the date has now changed to the 10th. You should not have cancelled your hair appointment. LMAO

[Lindsey]

Nope. No family at all in Ocilla ... step or otherwise since Billy and Connie moved to Alabama 3-4 years ago.

In fact, Connie's mother has passed away since Tara has been missing and she lived in Hawkinsville also.


Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


This is a great post. I want to bounce from it - hope OK Lindsey-

We know that Billy and Connie lived in Ocilla-not a clue how long the two have been married. I would guess that Billy and Faye when married lived in Hawkinsville. (if I am wrong someone correct me please!)

So could "the family" in Ocilla include Tara's stepmom's family?

Just wondering?



:seeya:

[odette]

Originally posted by Lindsey
Nope. No family at all in Ocilla ... step or otherwise since Billy and Connie moved to Alabama 3-4 years ago.

In fact, Connie's mother has passed away since Tara has been missing and she lived in Hawkinsville also.




So it appears that NONE of Tara's family came to Ocilla in the early stages of her disappearance. :confused:

Tara's friend, MHu from Hawkinsville rushed to Ocilla early that morning, "knowing that the police were on their way" but no family did?. I don't know about anyone else but I find that rather odd the more that I think about it.

We have heard that the reason AG didn't come to Ocilla until later on in the day was because she had to wait until LG came back from "a run". Was she not informed that MHu was travelling to Ocilla and could have gotten a ride with her?.

My Opinion Only

NANCY GRACE ~ CNN ~ Aired January 13, 2006

HULETT: I immediately went into the house...

GRACE: Well, why did you go there?

HULETT: I had been -- we had been looking for her, her mother an I had. And then so I went down there that morning, knowing that the police were on their way, and I went in. The police were outside. Well, excuse me...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by odette


So it appears that NONE of Tara's family came to Ocilla in the early stages of her disappearance. :confused:

Tara's friend, MHu from Hawkinsville rushed to Ocilla early that morning, "knowing that the police were on their way" but no family did?. I don't know about anyone else but I find that rather odd the more that I think about it.

We have heard that the reason AG didn't come to Ocilla until later on in the day was because she had to wait until LG came back from "a run". Was she not informed that MHu was travelling to Ocilla and could have gotten a ride with her?.

My Opinion Only

NANCY GRACE ~ CNN ~ Aired January 13, 2006

HULETT: I immediately went into the house...

GRACE: Well, why did you go there?

HULETT: I had been -- we had been looking for her, her mother an I had. And then so I went down there that morning, knowing that the police were on their way, and I went in. The police were outside. Well, excuse me...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

I was told Anita did not even receive a call about Tara that Monday. She overheard the office receptionist talking to someone on the phone who was calling to tell/ask LG about Tara. I find that odd also.

JMO

[concernedperson]

Rereading that Nancy Grace interview and what I know now I cannot for the life of me see anyone in Ocilla responsible for Tara's disappearance.

The community rallied immediately.Her ties to the community were self-made ties and from all indication she was truly treasured. It was like she found a little niche in the world where she fit in. That also goes along with her home and how personal it was...it was her world.

I am not naive but she made a new world for herself away from Hawkinsville. She had a strong drive and implemented it. No one can say she didn't strive.

I am afraid she reached out to the wrong person for more grounding than she was capable of and this is where the problem lies.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiacuz
[QUOT

Why would I discuss FG on this board with you. Just for you to tear her apart. She has not put herself out there like AG has. She is a a private person; a mother grieving for her child. That was such a smart ass reply. You ought to be real proud of yourself.

Good post cuz......I got the impression she didn't know FG and was looking for a confrontation.

Why???? Beats me. :shrug:

[simply quiet]

OMG......is this precious.

Mukato......you are looking really bad...but by all means keep it up.

[odette]

Originally posted by Lindsey


I was told Anita did not even receive a call about Tara that Monday. She overheard the office receptionist talking to someone on the phone who was calling to tell/ask LG about Tara. I find that odd also.

JMO

Seems to me as though there was some sort of a "communication breakdown" that morning. :confused:

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mukato


Maybe Lindsey will agree to a LDT to clear this up?

Naaaaaah, she'd be afraid to.

Don't believe me? Ask her.

LMAO......You guys embarrassed CB and she asked you to leave......now the threat of this board going down and being rehalled...has all of you out in force.....all of you meaning.....one or two posters.......but under many names. Keep on posting..you ain't kidding amy of us.

[concernedperson]

I think a lot of people are getting ready to self destruct.Could be a good thing.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by cricketgal
Someone with a brain try to help me understand what is going on????

Are the AG/LG haters trying to say:

Because LG took a "run" the morning Tara was reported missing HE is responsible for her disappearence

OR

Because AG got confused on the facts or was misquoted SHE is responsible her Tara's disappearence


OR

Because FG didn't drive down at 12 midnight to Ocilla SHE is the person responsible

What exactly are you people trying to say----If you have any proof that any of the above is true----Please, let's hear your side of the story. I have been reading so much crap on here it is sickening-----GIVE ME SOME FACTS-----YOU GUYS-----SPILL YOUR GUTS

Another poster that is afraid of this board shutting down.......and being evicted from CB's board..You got no where to post?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I think a lot of people are getting ready to self destruct.Could be a good thing.

No kidding CP....lets just sit back and watch.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by cricketgal
I don't know the Harper/Gattis/Grinstead families but feel sorry for all of them for what has taken place here on CTV.

It is a real shame, real shame. Especially when the family of a missing person becomes the victim and even friends who only have concern are dissected to pieces. Man alive what a bunch of bunk.

No one here is against her family.......we are just asking questions.

If the guestions were answered we would shut up.

We are here for Tara...:rose:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mukato


Actually Labby, you've missed quite a bit. Quite a bit indeed. But have no fear, you'll see what you missed in due time. Have a super day. BTW, do you take classes in being rude, or are you just gifted that way?

BTW, a special website has been opened up just for you. Google it and maybe you'll find it. It's super cool. Lots and lots of transcripts I'm sure you'll like.

:seeya:

Are you threatening something? It's sure a good thing it's in writing. Post copied! Care to post more? I will pursue it, have no doubt.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mukato


LOLOL I believe it was YOU, not I, that was banned from the CB board. Nice try though. Very clever.:lol:

:lol:

I never registered, so therefore I can never be banned.

But you dear.....can be asked to leave.

Nice try...but WRONG.

[Lindsey]

All I can say about your sleuthing skills is, don't quit your day job! I know who you are. What I don't know is, what is it about anything I have posted that has you so upset?? Now, THAT is very odd to me! But, have no fear. You know that I will figure it out.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mukato


Anything in writing Dear, would be quotes directly from your mouth.

Your words, not mine. Google, google, google. You'll find it eventually.

:seeya: Keep it up, as I continue to copy. It's a great thing LE has access to ip's. Your stalking is really wierd.

[luvmy2labpups]

Someone needs to clean their box so i can respond. LOL

[odette]

Does anyone know exactly when AG and LG arrived in Ocilla from Hawkinsville on the Monday. I have heard that it was in the afternoon?.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


A shotgun? Ummm... no. I don't own a shotgun.

But rest assured, Anita's behaviors and my questions surrounding Anita and Larry will most definitely come across as blasting with both barrels.

(Though, something is to be said for someone that is more concerned about Anita's image, than finding Tara. Rather strange that Anita would take priority over Tara. Eh, stranger things have happened I guess) Not to mention all of them who claim to have such concern for Tara, yet are on her stalking posters. Boy I can only imagine how honored Tara would feel by all of this behavior from them. NOT

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Someone needs to clean their box so i can respond. LOL

Its not me.....in the four years I have been here on CTV...only once was my box ever filled.......and that was beacuse I was seeing how many it took to get a filled box.....LMAO

I am not a big PM'r .........LOL

[concernedperson]

I think the gig is up. So, hopefully LE is just as apprised.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I think the gig is up. So, hopefully LE is just as apprised.

;)

[luvmy2labpups]

THANK YOU FRESHWATER!

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I think the gig is up. So, hopefully LE is just as apprised.


...phew!

The mods must have removed all prior to me signing in tonight. Looks like all ya'll must have handled it fine!

Now...back to the task at hand! :patriot:


THANKS FRESHWATER! :)

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Freshwater


Inaccurate information Simply. CTV and Crime Library Message boards are due for a software upgrade. Crime Library will be moving our current forums and threads to the new system. The old system was/is responsisble for lost data and the new one promises to be a much more pleasant posting experience. Don't worry as the time approaches I will make sure all Crime Library posters know exactly what is going on.

Freshwater

NP FW.....I am a long time CTV viewer and follow many cases, so I was confused......thank you for setting me straight.

Another question I have.......I hope the format does not go to "stacking" responses. Ya know what I mean?
I just can't stand reading that kind of format.

[simply quiet]

Just for all of your information........A poster here tonight asked me to call Anita....and I asked for her phone number....have not recv'd it yet.

I would be happy to call her....she needs help and maybe I can give it to her.

PM me her number....I will not give it to anyone else.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
This is the strangest board I've ever posted on.

Posters on a MB wanting to call the victim's family.

:confused:


I just read that Paula, I was trying to see what FW was telling us about the new format when I came across that post and it just blew me away.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by simply quiet
Just for all of your information........A poster here tonight asked me to call Anita....and I asked for her phone number....have not recv'd it yet.

I would be happy to call her....she needs help and maybe I can give it to her.

PM me her number....I will not give it to anyone else.
I don't think the family would want personal phone numbers given out, but if you have questions you want answered you can reach the family at the missingtara.com website. Just send an email and ask them to forward it on to the person you are trying to reach.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I think the gig is up. So, hopefully LE is just as apprised.

I hope so too.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by simply quiet
.....

I would be happy to call her....she needs help and maybe I can give it to her.

.....

Sounds kinda scary, to be perfectly honest.

:read:

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by guitarstring


I agree that it does make sense to first check the places where Tara MIGHT be, but what I don't agree with you on is the fact that this is not a big deal. The big deal (until we get the answer) is WHY they looked in Hawkinsville and WHERE?

If Tara was last seen at a BBQ at the Davis residence in OCILLA on Saturday night, then WHAT POSSIBLY made them begin to look in Hawkinsville? SOMETHING had to give them the idea of where to look, right? What was that?

AND, if somebody is unable to be located, it seems logical to me that SOMEBODY goes to their home and tries to locate them?
I realize HD did that, but he did so secretly, right? I mean, if he TRULY did not tell Mrs. Faye Grinstead that he was in Tara's driveway, then how did Maria or Faye determine they didn't need to drive down to Tara's house? or did they?

If HD did NOT say where he was, then it seems logical that Faye or Maria would go to Tara's home and see for themselves what was going on.

When did Maria FIRST set foot inside Tara's home after Saturday night?

When did Faye FIRST set foot inside Tara's home after Saturday night?

What's up Maria?

guitarstring, I'm not sure if this has been answered already, but from what I understand Faye was under the impression that Tara was going to stop by that Sunday - in Hawkinsville, where Faye and others live - and that it was a fairly regular occurance that Tara went to see her mother on Sundays.

Now - before anyone says that Tara's plans to see her mother were not set in stone and that Tara had left the plans open in case she was too tired to go to Hawkinsville - I know that.

But, to answer the question of why they started off in Hawkinsville or didn't all head down to Ocilla at the same time, it seems logical that if Faye started wondering where Tara was on Sunday that she would have at least tried to find out if Tara had been on her way and got in a car accident or otherwise stranded somewhere, etc. Why drive over an hr away when there was still a chance that Tara had traveled there? They could work their way down to Ocilla and it appears that they did..... by having HD check around, calling the neighbors and I think they also called some of the pageant or other hs girls. That's how they knew that she had had a phone conversation on Saturday night with the people who's dog she was petsitting.

There was nothing to call the police about on Sunday. If they had called her in as a missing person on Sunday just because they couldn't get her on the phone or find her in all the regular places, you think that would have been taken seriously? Keep in mind this is a 30 yr old, single woman, not a child who just went out in the back yard for a second. I agree with jond, it appears that it was her not showing up for work that day that really solidified things for everyone. Also, the school would not have just suddenly called the police because she didn't show up for the hs classes. There had to be a moment when someone at the school was talking to the family or neighbors and they all realized that there must really be something wrong if absolutely no one knew where she was.

[KittyMom]

http://www.thetelfairenterprise.com/
Nine months later, still no sign

By Mariel Williams and Corinne Bird
Special to The Enterprise
(This article was first published in The Press-Sentinel of Jesup Sunday, July 30.)
Dogs South took a day trip to Ocilla last Saturday to find missing teacher Tara Grinstead.
The local nonprofit canine search-and-rescue organization has continued to assist in the volunteer search effort in the nine months that Grinstead has been missing.
The former beauty queen vanished from her home in Ocilla in October 2005. Law enforcement has stopped actively searching for her. But Grinstead’s sister and brother-in-law, Larry and Anita Gattis, continue to scour the woods and fields of Irwin County in an attempt to locate their missing loved one.
Whenever the volunteers find disturbed earth or other suspicious ground in their searches, they call on Dogs South to investigate. The organization’s founders, Tony and Angela Batten, took their volunteers out to Ocilla on one of these calls last weekend.
Dogs South uses cadaver dogs to examine the ground and search for human remains. They were unsuccessful in this most recent mission, which was interrupted by a suspicious landowner. He claimed to have persuaded his neighbors to rescind their permission for searches of the land, and the volunteers backed off until the other landowners could be contacted again.
But the team still managed to rule out several sites suspected of being Grinstead’s final resting place. And the volunteers plan to be back out, in their “Justice for Tara” T-shirts, in the next couple of weeks.
(For the rest of the story, pick up a copy of this week's The Telfair Enterprise)

This is my old home town newspaper.

[scubadvr99]

Originally posted by KittyMom
http://www.thetelfairenterprise.com/

This is my old home town newspaper.

It was my understanding that they never had permission to be on the landowners property to begin with.

IMO, searches are important (extremely important). But you must have the permission of the property owner to search and after the way the ocillians have been treated, I don't blame them for not being eager to have certain people on their land without LE.

While I am not an attorney, I think a defense attorney would rip any evidence collected by certain people to shreads. I would prefer to have properly collected evidence that would stand up in court and help the cause against the perp (imo, there is one) than to have them get away with a crime (again, imo, there is one) because of tainted or possibly tainted evidence.

:seeya:

[BevAnn]

ITA Scuba - I think the liability issue with strangers on my land, would def make me want these searchers to get my approval first. I'm not sure what LE's take on these type searches are - I realize they don't have the man power to be on searches every time there is one conducted, and I realize many people definately want to continue to hunt for Tara. :shrug: I'm not sure on what LE thinks about it, and IF evidence was actually found, what would it mean, if LE wasn't there??

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by scubadvr99


It was my understanding that they never had permission to be on the landowners property to begin with.

IMO, searches are important (extremely important). But you must have the permission of the property owner to search and after the way the ocillians have been treated, I don't blame them for not being eager to have certain people on their land without LE.

While I am not an attorney, I think a defense attorney would rip any evidence collected by certain people to shreads. I would prefer to have properly collected evidence that would stand up in court and help the cause against the perp (imo, there is one) than to have them get away with a crime (again, imo, there is one) because of tainted or possibly tainted evidence.

:seeya:
Your understanding is wrong. They, in fact, DID have permission. One landowner decided at the last minute he did not want his land searched, and told the searchers that the OTHER landowners felt the same way (when in fact they did not). Abiding by his wishes, and having no way to check this out immediately, the search ended early. This is the type of interference that happens over and over and over again. And more times than not, the one causing problems is influenced by one common thread. But I won't go there. IMO, EVERYONE should open up their land (and hearts) and let these people search. They don't care about your pot plants. They are looking for a body.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

Your understanding is wrong. They, in fact, DID have permission. One landowner decided at the last minute he did not want his land searched, and told the searchers that the OTHER landowners felt the same way (when in fact they did not). Abiding by his wishes, and having no way to check this out immediately, the search ended early. This is the type of interference that happens over and over and over again. And more times than not, the one causing problems is influenced by one common thread. But I won't go there. IMO, EVERYONE should open up their land (and hearts) and let these people search. They don't care about your pot plants. They are looking for a body.

There's 70 acres in Hawkinsville I would like to search. Think they'll let me?

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


There's 70 acres in Hawkinsville I would like to search. Think they'll let me?
If you were truly sincere, and not just trying to cause trouble, I'm sure they'd be happy to have you participate in a search like that. Just email the website with your contact info and someone will be in touch with you right away.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

If you were truly sincere, and not just trying to cause trouble, I'm sure they'd be happy to have you participate in a search like that. Just email the website with your contact info and someone will be in touch with you right away.

I didn't say I wanted them to help me. I asked if you think they'll let me search it?

It's the Gattis property I'd like to search. You know, just to make sure all bases are covered. It's my understanding that only people with something to hide would refuse to allow a search... so I'm curious if they'd be open to a third party coming in and searching their property.

[BikerBabe]

I used to teach country/western dancing. Anyone know how to 2 step? :)

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

Your understanding is wrong. They, in fact, DID have permission. One landowner decided at the last minute he did not want his land searched, and told the searchers that the OTHER landowners felt the same way (when in fact they did not). Abiding by his wishes, and having no way to check this out immediately, the search ended early. This is the type of interference that happens over and over and over again. And more times than not, the one causing problems is influenced by one common thread. But I won't go there. IMO, EVERYONE should open up their land (and hearts) and let these people search. They don't care about your pot plants. They are looking for a body. I was also told they DID NOT have permission to be on the land. I do not think ANYBODY should/would have any problem allowing LAW ENFORCEMENT to do a search. If there is a reasonable explanation for wanting to do a search (for example a tip) I am sure LE would happily pursue it.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mannequin


i know this is true they did have permission before they went out there to search. they always get permission first. Not according to a relative of the landowner. According to them, there was NO PERMISSION to do a search.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Not according to a relative of the landowner. According to them, there was NO PERMISSION to do a search.

Whoever made that statement to you is confused or mistaken. Permission is always obtained first.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I didn't say I wanted them to help me. I asked if you think they'll let me search it?

It's the Gattis property I'd like to search. You know, just to make sure all bases are covered. It's my understanding that only people with something to hide would refuse to allow a search... so I'm curious if they'd be open to a third party coming in and searching their property.

So am I to assume you'll provide your own team of dogs, or do we need to set that up? Did you want law enforcement to assist you as well, or will it be just you alone? Like I said, I'm certain there'd be no problem with this, but you'd need to contact them to set it up. I've looked over the time frame of this crime, and I really don't think Marcus and his friend had time to drive all the way to Hawkinsville to bury Tara, but if you feel the need to search there I'm sure it can be arranged.

Perhaps your friend can bring her 2 lab pups with her to help with the digging. Just let someone know at the website by giving the info I outlined earlier, and this will certainly be arranged for you.

[scubadvr99]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Not according to a relative of the landowner. According to them, there was NO PERMISSION to do a search.


This was my understanding too pups. Also, I have questions about this comment from the article:

*snip*

They were unsuccessful in this most recent mission, which was interrupted by a suspicious landowner.


Are they now calling this landowner suspicious??? or are they saying the landowner was suspicious of them??? :confused:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


So am I to assume you'll provide your own team of dogs, or do we need to set that up? Did you want law enforcement to assist you as well, or will it be just you alone? Like I said, I'm certain there'd be no problem with this, but you'd need to contact them to set it up. I've looked over the time frame of this crime, and I really don't think Marcus and his friend had time to drive all the way to Hawkinsville to bury Tara, but if you feel the need to search there I'm sure it can be arranged.

Perhaps your friend can bring her 2 lab pups with her to help with the digging. Just let someone know at the website by giving the info I outlined earlier, and this will certainly be arranged for you.

Bumping this up because I'm still waiting on an answer from BFD as to whether he's serious about the offer to search.

????

[scubadvr99]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


*snip*

IMO, EVERYONE should open up their land (and hearts) and let these people search.

In the beginning, I would have totally agreed. But due to the actions of some, I would have to disagree now. I think that they should open their land up to on LE sanctioned searches.

It wouldn't have to only consist of LE, but at least have LE there and IN CHARGE.

I feel that the area needs to be covered again. And I would be happy to volunteer my time if LE was in charge.

MOO

:seeya:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by scubadvr99



This was my understanding too pups. Also, I have questions about this comment from the article:

*snip*

They were unsuccessful in this most recent mission, which was interrupted by a suspicious landowner.


Are they now calling this landowner suspicious??? or are they saying the landowner was suspicious of them??? :confused:

Apparently it was both. Prior permission had been granted, then a local person who opposed the search (for whatever reason) convinced the gentleman to rescind his permission. The odd thing about this though, was that the access to this man's land was only needed to GET TO THE OTHER LAND to be searched (which he DOES NOT OWN). To make things difficult for the searchers, he parked his vehicle sideways in the only access road to the land to be searched. Very odd situation if you ask me. But being professional about it, as they always are, the searchers ended it early that day, out of respect for this man's odd request.

[scubadvr99]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


Apparently it was both. Prior permission had been granted, then a local person who opposed the search (for whatever reason) convinced the gentleman to rescind his permission. The odd thing about this though, was that the access to this man's land was only needed to GET TO THE OTHER LAND to be searched (which he DOES NOT OWN). To make things difficult for the searchers, he parked his vehicle sideways in the only access road to the land to be searched. Very odd situation if you ask me. But being professional about it, as they always are, the searchers ended it early that day, out of respect for this man's odd request.

And they had permission to search "the other land" by the owner??

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


Bumping this up because I'm still waiting on an answer from BFD as to whether he's serious about the offer to search.

????

I am most definitely serious.

Are you in a position to speak for the Gattis family and to give the okay to search their property?

[Hey Paula]

Until the remains of their loved ones are actually found, most families cling to the slighest glimmer of hope that the improbable is still possible.

That's why it's so important that the searches for Tara continue unabated. If LE refuses to search, or doesn't have the financial resources to do so, it is left to the kindhearted, caring volunteers, who walk the walk, and take a proactive role in finding Tara.

I commend and support them in their efforts, and pray they find Tara.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Until the remains of their loved ones are actually found, most families cling to the slighest glimmer of hope that the improbable is still possible.

That's why it's so important that the searches for Tara continue unabated. If LE refuses to search, or doesn't have the financial resources to do so, it is left to the kindhearted, caring volunteers, who walk the walk, and take a proactive role in finding Tara.

I commend and support them in their efforts, and pray they find Tara.

Exactly. No one wants to really believe the worst. Actually, I have seen other familes get jumped on for saying the opposite in these situations and saying outloud that they believe their family member met with foul play. The stuff I've seen written about Maura Murray's family comes to mind and there were some locals (w/ no ties to that family) opposed to searches too. Seems like your damned if you don't and damned if you do in these situations, I don't envy their position at all. :(

[Elle_Woods]

guitarstring, What is your problem with Tara's mother, Faye? Maybe you should have a live broadcast interview w/ a lead CNN news investigator so we can analyze your every facial expression and any slight pauses between words for traces of a cold, uncaring nature? Or should we just stick to what we've witnessed within your posts here? :read:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by teensfortara
I total agree with you MJJ287 ;) , if people only had a clue what was going on and how stupid some of there post are. It also sounds like to me that instead of searching the gattis property we should search some of these posters that i will not name. If they only knew that we just sit back and laugh at some of the crazy :chicken: stuff they say.


Keep the the family in your prayers!

http://www.missingtara.com
OFFICIAL TARA WEBSITE

Tara and the family, as well as the searchers, are in my thoughts and prayers every single day.

:rose:

[crytheblues]

A pleasure to read such nice words from MJJ, TFT, Elle, Hey Paula, HonestInjun, etc. The last few posts have been utterly delightful.
All positive for a change.

[singlesix]

"if people only had a clue what was going on"

Okay, somebody tell me what's going on. I am honestly curious about what's going on. Any volunteers?

singlesix

[gacountry]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by crytheblues
[B]A pleasure to read such nice words from MJJ, TFT, Elle, Hey Paula, HonestInjun, etc. The last few posts have been utterly delightful.
All positive for a change.


I too say thanks for the positive post. Faye is one of the sweetest ladies and she has been going through such a bad time not only with the fact that her baby girl is gone and there seems to be no closure, But her health issues are very bad and she does not need this harsh treatment. Do you people ever read what you post?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by singlesix
"if people only had a clue what was going on"

Okay, somebody tell me what's going on. I am honestly curious about what's going on. Any volunteers?

singlesix

Benhill posted two weeks ago that there is supposed to be an arrest tomorrow.

:shrug:

[BroadwayJoe]

Wow, looks like I've missed some excitement... Just about the time I read back to make heads or tails of this is when CTVs new software will probably kick in...lol

**reading fast**
:read:

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Benhill posted two weeks ago that there is supposed to be an arrest tomorrow.

:shrug:

I had heard in May from one of the "insiders" that it would happen in June.Of course a very hot July happened and now a very hot August.So, tomorrow is the day. I look forward to it. It makes all the heat bearable.

Thank you for reading my post.

[crytheblues]

It sure has been hot in Georgia. I understand the temperature will continue to rise. Poor farmers.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by guitarstring


Anita and Larry are looking for a body?
I thought I saw a quote by AG that said they (she and her mom) feel like she is alive and unti proven otherwise, they will believe that.

And I thought it was odd that a photo I saw of the back of AG's suv said something like "come home Big T"

Big T? Why so jovial? Why not Help Me Find My Sister-Tara Grinstead! Missing/Tara Grinstead and a number to call with info?
Here's the link to that photo:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/PG-Tara%27s-sister%27s-car-wind.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/photo_3.html&h=180&w=240&sz=16&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=umAN6bLbCWgPOM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAnita%2BGattis%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8


IMO, if you go back and look at the video of FG's interview with Nancy Grace, she was unemotional, hard edged, cold and short with her answers. I particularly noticed that at one point she almost seemed to catch herself when she left Anita out something. The part of the interview was about the piece of furniture Tara used to have in her playhouse when she was little....and she followed up very quickly by saying something like
"and Anita used it too," or something to that effect. I sensed that AG may have been jealous of TG all her life and FG was trained to make sure not to leave AG out, hence the quick addition to make sure to include AG. I'm just giving my own thoughts, of course, but it sure raised a flag for me.

Did I understand correctly that Tara's mom did not go to Tara's while police were there?

And most of us want to know when Anita was notified that Faye was concerned about Tara. AND we'd also like to know what time Larry got back from his "run" and how long it took them to get to Ocilla? I was told they got there after the GBI had arrived and was gone? Is that true?

As I said before, as "in your face" as she seems, and as controlling as she comes across, I'm sorry but I don't see her painting her nails waiting on LG to get back from a supposed "jog", sorry. If her concern for
Tara was genuine, seems like she would have left a pot boiling on the stove and abandoned all issues. She didn't. Why the wait? What was more important?

IMO, something was fake. Was it the fake response to Tara being missing, or was it the reactions afterwards?

I'm not accusing, but I have asked myself what are those two hiding?

I also admit that I'd like to know whether or not Tara's mom has questioned why Anita has given so many wrong tidbits of information in this case and if Faye didn't call Anita, how did that make Anita feel? If she didn't call to notify her, then what was the cause of tension? Was it something recent? OR, was it that Anita wasn't HOME and couldn't be reached? Were she AND her husband "unreachable" during this time? Where were they?

Hey, I'll go one further and say that when LG announced that he failed a lie detector test about a rumored affair with Tara, I even wondered if Anita caught them, she hurt Tara and if Tara threatened to send her to jail and ruin her life, I had to ask if AG may have put her somewhere to keep her quiet? I know, I know. Some of you will think I'm saying that I think this is what happened and I DO NOT. I'm just saying it was part of my processing when I heard AG and LG speaking about him failing a lie detector test about an affair, so it was their own admissions to the failure of the test that sent me down that path of plausibility in that area.

Where is Tara?
Do you really, really believe what you say is true? And can you write it like it's true? And really believe it? Because if you can, and if you can put it into manuscript form, I'd like to hook you up with a fiction publisher friend of mine in Chicago. He's looking for some fresh talent on a series of Science Fiction books he's been working on and needs someone who can really live and breathe through the characters they create, in order to engulf the reader of the book enough to push the entire series quickly to the best seller list. Kind of like Lemony Snicket's books, only more serious. The chapter about the furniture in the playhouse would be a sure sell. Really, if you are interested, PM me. You have superior talent for writing fiction. I can hook you up, no problem.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Do you really, really believe what you say is true? And can you write it like it's true? And really believe it? Because if you can, and if you can put it into manuscript form, I'd like to hook you up with a fiction publisher friend of mine in Chicago. He's looking for some fresh talent on a series of Science Fiction books he's been working on and needs someone who can really live and breathe through the characters they create, in order to engulf the reader of the book enough to push the entire series quickly to the best seller list. Kind of like Lemony Snicket's books, only more serious. The chapter about the furniture in the playhouse would be a sure sell. Really, if you are interested, PM me. You have superior talent for writing fiction. I can hook you up, no problem.

Don't be so condescending when there is a missing person's case. Especially when red flags are raised. Many, many times it is family members who harm so this is not out of the question.Whether it is the answer is still up for grabs.

[crytheblues]

Help me understand, CP. What would be the motive???




Originally posted by concernedperson


Don't be so condescending when there is a missing person's case. Especially when red flags are raised. Many, many times it is family members who harm so this is not out of the question.Whether it is the answer is still up for grabs.

[jond]

IMO, and it took me awhile to understand a crime message board, there is a following that views cases such as TG as a pastime or hobby. TG, LG, FG, B & C G, MH, HD, etc are mere characters in this "reality" play in which these hobbyists can participate...a cyber reality show. The problem with the TG case is that there is little evidence to discuss, so it has to be either manufactured or the little known facts turned and twisted for the play to continue. AG and LG, I suppose some are starting to include FG, B & C G, are simply convenient targets now much as MH was in 05. There are some who simply do not like the Ga or Gr family, so you have the implications on this board and others...it is clear to me what is being implied.

[crytheblues]

Your opinion sounds logical. A game for some, right?


Originally posted by jond
IMO, and it took me awhile to understand a crime message board, there is a following that views cases such as TG as a pastime or hobby. TG, LG, FG, B & C G, MH, HD, etc are mere characters in this "reality" play in which these hobbyists can participate...a cyber reality show. The problem with the TG case is that there is little evidence to discuss, so it has to be either manufactured or the little known facts turned and twisted for the play to continue. AG and LG, I suppose some are starting to include FG, B & C G, are simply convenient targets now much as MH was in 05. There are some who simply do not like the Ga or Gr family, so you have the implications on this board and others...it is clear to me what is being implied.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by crytheblues
Help me understand, CP. What would be the motive???






In dysfunctional families it could be lack of recognition,it could be that a boundary was crossed over. It is never clear but it is never reasonable. There will always be something up for grabs. Mostly stupid stuff that no one thinks about twice.

[teensfortara]

mjj287 did you notice our post got deleted, i guess its because we actually know facts since we are in the scenes of what is going on, it must be true no facts or trying to help keep the families good name on this fourm.:shrug:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by teensfortara
mjj287 did you notice our post got deleted, i guess its because we actually know facts since we are in the scenes of what is going on, it must be true no facts or trying to help keep the families good name on this fourm.:shrug:

Boy, am I glad to see you.

Perhaps you can explain that Paypal button to Matthew 7:1?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by mjj287
Yeah God forbid anybody say anything nice about the family, the searchers or anyone that wants to pray for this continued search of a lady that we love and respect and miss very deeply. :rose: :rose:

Dear heart with your 6 posts. Most of us have been here for a long time just as long as Tara has been missing. There is not a day that goes by when I am not looking for her. Never a day. I look at everything. There is no one that is not looked at and I even invited LE to look at me. Of course, that is pretty boring and they concluded the same thing.

My point is that I won't stop looking. I will help look for Tara Grinstead.All the time. All the time.

[kelloggirl]

IMO, and it took me awhile to understand a crime message board, there is a following that views cases such as TG as a pastime or hobby. TG, LG, FG, B & C G, MH, HD, etc are mere characters in this "reality" play in which these hobbyists can participate...a cyber reality show. The problem with the TG case is that there is little evidence to discuss, so it has to be either manufactured or the little known facts turned and twisted for the play to continue.

This is not an unfair characterization, at least of my initial interest in the case, but I don't think there's anything wrong with this. As one of those "detached observers" I have to agree that for me, personally, there is a great deal of objectivity that comes from the fact that no matter how hard I try, those initials you mention, with the possible exception of Tara herself, are just "characters" - which is both the advantage and disadvantage of a forum such as this. In so many cases, the victim knows the perpetrator, or the victim herself had some secrets - if the constraints of the discussions (or of real investigations) are that some people or issues are off-limits, what would be the point?

I believe that the objectivity that arises out of wanting to know the truth about what happened to her without the inherent biases that come from those who know her friends and family is a positive thing, assuming the goal is to find Tara, and not protect certain individuals, regardless of who they might be. Yes, there is an inherent coldness to this process - which is why I'll never understand why those who are intimate with the family and get so upset at the speculation frequent venues such as this, especially since they've told us over and over again that we know nothing and that we contribute nothing. (I'm not in any way implying that they should stay away - I'm just trying to understand, especially if LE and the GBI are already monitoring the forums for odd activity.)

Originally posted by mjj287
Yeah God forbid anybody say anything nice about the family, the searchers or anyone that wants to pray for this continued search of a lady that we love and respect and miss very deeply. :rose: :rose:

No offense is meant, mjj287, but surely there are better venues and other opportunities for people to say nice things about the family than a Court TV message board? Although there is a thread at the top of this forum for that very purpose, to offer prayers. The reason I (and many others) who post here is not to say nice things, it's to engage in a discussion of the case from an objective perspective.

[crytheblues]

People can be objective without being down right cruel, wouldn't you think??


Quote from Kellogirl:

I believe that the objectivity that arises out of wanting to know the truth about what happened to her without the inherent biases that come from those who know her friends and family is a positive thing, assuming the goal is to find Tara, and not protect certain individuals, regardless of who they might be. Yes, there is an inherent coldness to this process - which is why I'll never understand why those who are intimate with the family and get so upset at the speculation frequent venues such as this, especially since they've told us over and over again that we know nothing and that we contribute nothing. (I'm not in any way implying that they should stay away - I'm just trying to understand, especially if LE and the GBI are already monitoring the forums for odd activity

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by crytheblues
People can be objective without being down right cruel, wouldn't you think??


Quote from Kellogirl:

I believe that the objectivity that arises out of wanting to know the truth about what happened to her without the inherent biases that come from those who know her friends and family is a positive thing, assuming the goal is to find Tara, and not protect certain individuals, regardless of who they might be. Yes, there is an inherent coldness to this process - which is why I'll never understand why those who are intimate with the family and get so upset at the speculation frequent venues such as this, especially since they've told us over and over again that we know nothing and that we contribute nothing. (I'm not in any way implying that they should stay away - I'm just trying to understand, especially if LE and the GBI are already monitoring the forums for odd activity

I haven't seen anyone be cruel. I think Kelloggirl hit the nail right upon the head.

I've seen posters be nasty to other posters... but that's no big whoop to me. The posters on this forum aren't the subject matter, no matter how many times people try to do that.

I am a very "cold" person when viewing a case. To me everyone is on the same footing. There are no sacred cows.

[odette]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I haven't seen anyone be cruel. I think Kelloggirl hit the nail right upon the head.

I've seen posters be nasty to other posters... but that's no big whoop to me. The posters on this forum aren't the subject matter, no matter how many times people try to do that.

I am a very "cold" person when viewing a case. To me everyone is on the same footing. There are no sacred cows.

I totally agree with what you say BFD .. There should be "no sacred cows" in a missing persons case.

What really gets to me is, everytime "questions" are raised regarding AG and LG there is a great hue and cry from some quarters and I really have to question WHY?.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by odette


I totally agree with what you say BFD .. There should be "no sacred cows" in a missing persons case.

What really gets to me is, everytime "questions" are raised regarding AG and LG there is a great hue and cry from some quarters and I really have to question WHY?.

What really gets to me is, everytime "questions" are raised regarding MH or ML
or searchers there is a great hue and cry from some quarters and I really have to question WHY?

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by odette


I totally agree with what you say BFD .. There should be "no sacred cows" in a missing persons case.

What really gets to me is, everytime "questions" are raised regarding AG and LG there is a great hue and cry from some quarters and I really have to question WHY?.

I was taught years ago that if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough, people will believe it. I've found that to be very true, especially considering who taught me that line.

I was a boy crazy 16 yr old and got involved in a religious cult, after seeing all the cute boys in it. While I quickly saw thru their bull, my mother didn't and she followed me into the cult the next year. I spent the next 20 yrs hanging around the cult in an attempt to keep them from abusing her and lying to her too much. I finally had to walk away at that point in time, once all the sex and rapes from the founder and the man he appointed to take the helm once he retired became known. My mom, refused to listen or read about any of it, she stuck her head up her .. in the sand .. and is still in the cult to this day, 31 years after joining it. She's a total different person than the lady who raised me. I will never stop loving her, but I do not like what they turned her in to over time.

I don't know if that applies to this case or not, but I can sure see some similarities. Every time anyone posts anything about Tara's sister or her husband, new nicknames come out of the woodwork and do their utmost to tear down the person or persons who did the posts. As previously asked .. why do they do that?

Were they with Anita and Larry 24/7 that whole weekend? It seems Anita wants to point a finger at one person only, the one with a solid alibi. Yet I haven't seen her account for all their time yet, but admit I could have missed that. Please, someone tell me if you know.

Crime buffs aren't known for being PC. We tend to be very blunt and matter of fact. We don't post hurtful things to intentionally hurt Tara's family, we post to try to figure out who the perp is. Everyone has to be looked at and that can cause feelings to get hurt if the ones being discussed have never had much contact with LE and the way they do investigations.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BikerBabe


I was taught years ago that if you tell a lie loud enough and long enough, people will believe it. I've found that to be very true, especially considering who taught me that line.

I was a boy crazy 16 yr old and got involved in a religious cult, after seeing all the cute boys in it. While I quickly saw thru their bull, my mother didn't and she followed me into the cult the next year. I spent the next 20 yrs hanging around the cult in an attempt to keep them from abusing her and lying to her too much. I finally had to walk away at that point in time, once all the sex and rapes from the founder and the man he appointed to take the helm once he retired became known. My mom, refused to listen or read about any of it, she stuck her head up her .. in the sand .. and is still in the cult to this day, 31 years after joining it. She's a total different person than the lady who raised me. I will never stop loving her, but I do not like what they turned her in to over time.

I don't know if that applies to this case or not, but I can sure see some similarities. Every time anyone posts anything about Tara's sister or her husband, new nicknames come out of the woodwork and do their utmost to tear down the person or persons who did the posts. As previously asked .. why do they do that?

Were they with Anita and Larry 24/7 that whole weekend? It seems Anita wants to point a finger at one person only, the one with a solid alibi. Yet I haven't seen her account for all their time yet, but admit I could have missed that. Please, someone tell me if you know.

Crime buffs aren't known for being PC. We tend to be very blunt and matter of fact. We don't post hurtful things to intentionally hurt Tara's family, we post to try to figure out who the perp is. Everyone has to be looked at and that can cause feelings to get hurt if the ones being discussed have never had much contact with LE and the way they do investigations.

What cult is your mother in? If all that illegal activity is going on and you can do something about it, why don't you? I think that's awful that your mother is treated that way. I know you said you are disabled or something, but can't you get someone else to help your mother to get out of the cult? It's not the same cult they are talking about in one of the other CTV forums is it? That one sounded very bad also. I don't see what that has to do with Tara's situation, but it's still bad for your mother to suffer that way.

[crytheblues]

Accusations and assumptions are being made without any evidence or proof. I read back and it has been going on for 10 months now. Many individuals have been attacked and violated by association. Sad but true. Mr. & Mrs. G**** are now the "flavor of the month." Next month, new chapter with new subjects and more accusations.

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


What cult is your mother in? If all that illegal activity is going on and you can do something about it, why don't you? I think that's awful that your mother is treated that way. I know you said you are disabled or something, but can't you get someone else to help your mother to get out of the cult? It's not the same cult they are talking about in one of the other CTV forums is it? That one sounded very bad also. I don't see what that has to do with Tara's situation, but it's still bad for your mother to suffer that way.

I'm not comfy saying the name of it openly, as I post on a forum of ex members with this same nickname and my picture. The cult has members who actively search online to find those who speak out against them and make it hard on any remaining family members. At 80+ yrs of age, she's too brainwashed to leave them, so all I can do is not upset her and try to keep a line of communication open until she passes on. If they would connect me to my mom via something I said online, she would be told to never speak to me again, that I'm possessed and evil. I know she would do as told and I'm not ready to lose the little bit of time on the phone she will give to me, once every month or so when I give her a call.

I used the cult to show how I learned about those who tell a lie long enough and loud enough are believed by many without question. Sincerity is no guarantee for truth. I saw first hand how things said can be twisted to have a totally different meaning and many were hurt. Needless to say, since I am not the type to do as told without question, I was always getting into trouble back then. LOL.

The men that were abusing the women are long gone. One is dead and the other was fired after it all came out and a lawsuit was filed by a lady who was abused by him. This all happened many years ago, but the damage was done and they went from 100,000 members in the '80's to around 2000 today.

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by crytheblues
Accusations and assumptions are being made without any evidence or proof. I read back and it has been going on for 10 months now. Many individuals have been attacked and violated by association. Sad but true. Mr. & Mrs. G**** are now the "flavor of the month." Next month, new chapter with new subjects and more accusations.

This is a normal thing. When someone comes up missing or dead, anyone they had an association with is looked at closely by LE and others following the case, to make sure their alibis hold water.

It's very easy for the questions to be stopped. Anita can easily say where she was and what she was doing the weekend Tara went missing. Her husband can do the same. Once their alibis check out, their names wouldn't be brought up again in the same way.

Instead of getting upset when you read such posts, if you are a local, why don't you ask Anita and her husband where they were? Tell them the questions have come up on this forum and you would like to post and answer the people that asked them. Seems like a very simple thing to do, since they say they have nothing to hide. It's when nothing is said, when they claim a LDT was wrong, when they change their stories, etc., that questions will come up. Once answered, there is no need to ask again.

[luvmy2labpups]

Ok, for all of you who said the searchers had permission with this recent search, give me initials of the landowner who gave you the permission, let's determine if we are even discussing the same person. I will go back to the relative and ask if these initials are the same as their family member, and we can put this matter to rest. In otherwords, lets find out if we are even discussing the same person first. If you don't want to do this on board, send it in a pm. I will ask the person and get back to you.


Amaizie why don't you just send it to results via pm? HUH? I have a feeling I know why you are dancing around now but, you can easily send it through pm and not worry about it right? When you say Results has no credibility, let's remember your first couple of posts on this forum. You attempted to bring in a person to start more gossip without any foundation, posted a hit and run with no back up and ran off when people questioned you. As a result your post was removed by the Mod of this forum. In my book, Results holds way more credibility on this forum then you do.

[luvmy2labpups]

Next question, for all of you who take issue with Anita and Larry being discussed on this forum. WHY? I am very interested in understanding why you feel they should be off limits in discussion. I have seen many posters come out of the woodwork in a rush to their defense. Many got downright mean. Sincere responses would be appreciated.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Next question, for all of you who take issue with Anita and Larry being discussed on this forum. WHY? I am very interested in understanding why you feel they should be off limits in discussion. I have seen many posters come out of the woodwork in a rush to their defense. Many got downright mean. Sincere responses would be appreciated.

I can answer the question for ME about Larry and Anita. I have met them, I have been on searches with them, I have seen them cry, I have seen them so tired they could barely go, I have heard them pray, I have seen the effort they have put forth for Tara, I have talked with them about their relationship with Tara, I have seen the tears in Gabes eyes. I have seen Anita have to take the parent role now since Faye is so ill. NOW WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR OPINION OF THEM ON?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by gacountry


I can answer the question for ME about Larry and Anita. I have met them, I have been on searches with them, I have seen them cry, I have seen them so tired they could barely go, I have heard them pray, I have seen the effort they have put forth for Tara, I have talked with them about their relationship with Tara, I have seen the tears in Gabes eyes. I have seen Anita have to take the parent role now since Faye is so ill. NOW WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR OPINION OF THEM ON?

As a mom myself, my heart aches for Faye - her failed health the result of not knowing what has become of Tara.

As a sister myself, I am saddened by Anita's suffering, and the role she has chosen to assume, due to her mom's failing health.

May God bless the family, and those who search for Tara. May their efforts prove fruitful in finding Tara. My thoughts and prayers are with Tara's family, friends, and all who dedicate their lives and time in finding her.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by gacountry


I can answer the question for ME about Larry and Anita. I have met them, I have been on searches with them, I have seen them cry, I have seen them so tired they could barely go, I have heard them pray, I have seen the effort they have put forth for Tara, I have talked with them about their relationship with Tara, I have seen the tears in Gabes eyes. I have seen Anita have to take the parent role now since Faye is so ill. NOW WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR OPINION OF THEM ON? Ok, fair enough, you have your personal opinions of them because you have seen them right? In all honesty, you are one of only a few who has shared this view on here, there are far more negative feelings then positive in regard to them on here, wouldn't you agree? If you sat from afar and read some of the things that others have posted that caused questions, would you hesitate to ask? My questions are generally in line with things that don't make sense to me so I ask for clarification. Many of the locals have shared their own personal experiences either on this forum or others via pm or a post, it is one thing if one person came here and posted one thing, but there are a number of things from alot of different people. Should they all be ignored? My opinion is NO. There are way to many things to ignore. I think you can see by the articles with links, there are varying stories, interviews, etc. it makes one question which story is correct. It is not abnormal to want to understand why so many differing stories and to also want to understand the real story. If the ultimate goal is to find Tara, then there should not be finger pointing in one direction, limiting those that are "the chosen ones" to help, nobody should be off limits in discussion if there is a connection, etc. In short, the more open one is the better chances of finding the truth of why Tara is missing. I can't see limiting conversation/discussion as being beneficial at all. Do you?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Ok, fair enough, you have your personal opinions of them because you have seen them right? In all honesty, you are one of only a few who has shared this view on here, there are far more negative feelings then positive in regard to them on here, wouldn't you agree? If you sat from afar and read some of the things that others have posted that caused questions, would you hesitate to ask? My questions are generally in line with things that don't make sense to me so I ask for clarification. Many of the locals have shared their own personal experiences either on this forum or others via pm or a post, it is one thing if one person came here and posted one thing, but there are a number of things from alot of different people. Should they all be ignored? My opinion is NO. There are way to many things to ignore. I think you can see by the articles with links, there are varying stories, interviews, etc. it makes one question which story is correct. It is not abnormal to want to understand why so many differing stories and to also want to understand the real story. If the ultimate goal is to find Tara, then there should not be finger pointing in one direction, limiting those that are "the chosen ones" to help, nobody should be off limits in discussion if there is a connection, etc. In short, the more open one is the better chances of finding the truth of why Tara is missing. I can't see limiting conversation/discussion as being beneficial at all. Do you?


I am sure a lot or most of your information came from the group that decided to dislike Tara due to personal problems. I am saying I have talked with Anita and Larry I know what they are like away from the cameras in a calm relaxed setting. I Know how much this has affected their lives, I have asked personal question that no message board will ever see, and they answered with honesty and sometimes tears. I feel you have the right to your opinions BUT we do to. When TT's admin was under fire I did take up for them, When their private info was put up I was one of the first to say it was not right, look back it's there. I just feel a lot of opinions have been influnced from the ones that dislike AG and LG for whatever reason. Again I say I know them personally, they are good people that love Tara and had much more time together than you guys know, Ever wonder Where most of the Pics of Tara were taken. I will continue to support AG, LG, GG, FG BG and CG and feel good about it. I hope you read this post in the way I have written it, I don't want to fuss, I want Justice and peace for this family.

[Elle_Woods]

There's a huge difference between appearing 'cold' because you are just looking at information and analyzing it- i.e. being objective and analytical - compared to calling a frail, upset mother of a missing woman cold and uncaring because based on someone's opinion she took a pause (supposedly) while speaking on national television as she sifted through her missing daughter's cherished belongings. Huge difference. Not to mention the same person who said this did not even take the time to read and consider the different possibilities given to them (in direct response to their original question) as to why Faye would have looked for Tara in Hawkinsville first. So, right then and there I knew that there was no real quest for information or 'sleuthing' going on, that was apparent. Anyone who can come up with a million different unrelated excuses to defend such behavior is no true 'crime buff', imo. :rolleyes:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry



I am sure a lot or most of your information came from the group that decided to dislike Tara due to personal problems. I am saying I have talked with Anita and Larry I know what they are like away from the cameras in a calm relaxed setting. I Know how much this has affected their lives, I have asked personal question that no message board will ever see, and they answered with honesty and sometimes tears. I feel you have the right to your opinions BUT we do to. When TT's admin was under fire I did take up for them, When their private info was put up I was one of the first to say it was not right, look back it's there. I just feel a lot of opinions have been influnced from the ones that dislike AG and LG for whatever reason. Again I say I know them personally, they are good people that love Tara and had much more time together than you guys know, Ever wonder Where most of the Pics of Tara were taken. I will continue to support AG, LG, GG, FG BG and CG and feel good about it. I hope you read this post in the way I have written it, I don't want to fuss, I want Justice and peace for this family.

I will say that I have never seen you say a mean-spirited thing about anyone and that you have also shown a fairness about yourself in regards to people being unfairly demonized. I'll acknowledge that. You're one of the few that have done that.

But I do take offense (not personally, just in a general sense) that just because someone may question Anita's or Larry's public behaviors and/or words, does not necessarily equate to people "disliking" them. Heck, there are some behaviors I dislike about my own family members, doesn't mean I dislike them as a person.

I have neither a like or dislike for Anita or Larry. I don't know them from Adam. So, please don't misconstrue objective, unemotional responses as "dislike". Nor should you think people have been "talked into" disliking them from other people. I am a very independent thinker that can make determinations from my own observations.

This is just my take on things. I don't speak for anyone else.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by gacountry



I am sure a lot or most of your information came from the group that decided to dislike Tara due to personal problems. I am saying I have talked with Anita and Larry I know what they are like away from the cameras in a calm relaxed setting. I Know how much this has affected their lives, I have asked personal question that no message board will ever see, and they answered with honesty and sometimes tears. I feel you have the right to your opinions BUT we do to. When TT's admin was under fire I did take up for them, When their private info was put up I was one of the first to say it was not right, look back it's there. I just feel a lot of opinions have been influnced from the ones that dislike AG and LG for whatever reason. Again I say I know them personally, they are good people that love Tara and had much more time together than you guys know, Ever wonder Where most of the Pics of Tara were taken. I will continue to support AG, LG, GG, FG BG and CG and feel good about it. I hope you read this post in the way I have written it, I don't want to fuss, I want Justice and peace for this family. In the entire time I have posted on this forum or elsewhere in regard to this case, I have NEVER heard anybody say they dislike Tara. I have read questions in regard to her actions, but for the purposes of exploring her disappearance, and no other reason. How people feel in regard to Anita and Larry have alot to do with their own personal experiences, just as your feelings have to do with your own experiences with them. I don't hear much in the way of BG, CG and FG other then that many wish they would make some public statements. I don't wish to take away from your opinions and personal experiences with them, but there are very few who have shared such an experience. With that being said because nobody knows what happened to Tara, I feel open discussion is a step/one step in the right direction in finding out what happened to Tara.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I will say that I have never seen you say a mean-spirited thing about anyone and that you have also shown a fairness about yourself in regards to people being unfairly demonized. I'll acknowledge that. You're one of the few that have done that.

But I do take offense (not personally, just in a general sense) that just because someone may question Anita's or Larry's public behaviors and/or words, does not necessarily equate to people "disliking" them. Heck, there are some behaviors I dislike about my own family members, doesn't mean I dislike them as a person.

I have neither a like or dislike for Anita or Larry. I don't know them from Adam. So, please don't misconstrue objective, unemotional responses as "dislike". Nor should you think people have been "talked into" disliking them from other people. I am a very independent thinker that can make determinations from my own observations.

This is just my take on things. I don't speak for anyone else. [B


BFD, back long ago in the beginning of this we were all on a chat forum, started very soon after the disappearance. We discussed all the things I see you all discussing now, we went into great details and searched and reserched together. We watched all the interviews and questioned all the things you question now. I was vocal on the faults I saw with the interviews. I was helping with the food, poster, prayer list in local churches type things, and Anita was always so sweet when I went to the Center. Still I had my opinion. But then I went on the searches, we had social gatherings as a group, we became friends. We have talked to them personally about these things you are asking now and all I can see is "Good people trying to struggle through a bad situatuion". Anita is the type sister mine as always been to me. There is about the same age difference between Anita and Tara as my sister and myself. My sister lives much closer than Hawkinsville but we do not talk everday, we do not visit ever week, our lifestyles are so different and have always been. But my sister just like Anita had a big part in raising their younger sisters. Now that my sister and I are all thats left of our family if I got a call she was missing or late for work I would rush over there, but it was not always that way , I would have laughed and said she was shopping. I would have become worried after the police got there and it became a missing persons case and I would have felt guilty BUT I would not have been real upset on a Monday morning because I would know my sister was an adult.

I know my opinion sways no one but it is my opinion and some of the things that people have said and asked for on these boards should have been handled in PMs or e-mail IMO.

Thank you for the kind words at the first of your post, I do not want to hurt anyone I get mad when either side get firey BUT we do sometimes tend to ask for it and this is a very emotional case with locals and with poster from far away, BUT we do sometimes tend to ask for it![/B]

[gacountry]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Gacountry says "When TT's admin was under fire I did take up for them"

But speaking on Carla Baron's site of the TalkTara forum and its members gacountry said...

"That was not a forum it turned into a Hate filled ugly place, hell could probably take notes from them."

"They will pay for the ugly attitude they have it makes me so angry that they can even use Our Tara's name in their forum."



I consider that mean spirited, unfair, and demonic. Send up a prayer for her and the rest of us, quick.



NOW go back and ask these people did I not post an apology on this CTV forum, on the CB forum and on the TT forum. I dislike the way they allow some things on their boards but I have never attacked these people personally., but I have taken up for them when others attacked them. They were my friends and I truly hope someday when this is settled hard feelings will die.

I do not mind your jabs just read back and see, if not so be it.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


As a mom myself, my heart aches for Faye - her failed health the result of not knowing what has become of Tara.

As a sister myself, I am saddened by Anita's suffering, and the role she has chosen to assume, due to her mom's failing health.

May God bless the family, and those who search for Tara. May their efforts prove fruitful in finding Tara. My thoughts and prayers are with Tara's family, friends, and all who dedicate their lives and time in finding her.

I am with you, Paula. I support Tara's mother and sister 100 per cent. :rose:

[jond]

Originally posted by Results
I am willing to take anybody and everybody on about AG. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what the heck is going on. Questions for AG:

1.) How long had it been since you was at Tara's house?
2.) Were you ever at Tara's house, ever been in it?
3.) When was the last time that you talked to Tara?
4.) Is it true that Tara hated to be called big T because she had a complex about her size and you put big T on your windows of your vehicle?
5.) Is it true that you made such a big scene about Tara's personal belongings at the school but would not pick those items up and Bill Grinstead went to the school to retreive her personal items?
6.) Is it true that you turned away help because those individuals did not believe MH harmed her?
7.) Is it true that you are protecting HD and will not allow any discussing about him?
8.) Is it true that you opened a MYspace.com and demanded another one to be closed because they were stealing your glory? on this one remember there are PM's from you stating this and more
9.) Is it true that after staying with some very nice people in Ocilla that you were asked to leave their home and why were you asked to leave?
10.) Why did your story change all the time in your interviews?
11.) One last question for you AG on the picture with CB at 1:00 AM on Tara's front porch .. CB looked like she was exhausted and you, AG, you looked like you won the lottery, the sad part AG is that CB looked like she had lost a loved one and you were the psychic, why?

..

OK, I will read your reply to these underlined ( I think ) questions:

1.) How long had it been since you was at Tara's house? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
2.) Were you ever at Tara's house, ever been in it? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
3.) When was the last time that you talked to Tara?
4.) Is it true that Tara hated to be called big T because she had a complex about her size and you put big T on your windows of your vehicle? [U] What is the source for this statement and you are stating AG is obviously & blatantly insulting her (more than likely ) deceased sister. Isn't that a a stretch even by message board standards? [U/]
5.) Is it true that you made such a big scene about Tara's personal belongings at the school but would not pick those items up and Bill Grinstead went to the school to retreive her personal items? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
6.) Is it true that you turned away help because those individuals did not believe MH harmed her? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
7.) Is it true that you are protecting HD and will not allow any discussing about him?
8.) Is it true that you opened a MYspace.com and demanded another one to be closed because they were stealing your glory? on this one remember there are PM's from you stating this and more [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
9.) Is it true that after staying with some very nice people in Ocilla that you were asked to leave their home and why were you asked to leave? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
10.) Why did your story change all the time in your interviews?
11.) One last question for you AG on the picture with CB at 1:00 AM on Tara's front porch .. CB looked like she was exhausted and you, AG, you looked like you won the lottery, the sad part AG is that CB looked like she had lost a loved one and you were the psychic, why?" [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by jond


OK, I will read your reply to these underlined ( I think ) questions:

1.) How long had it been since you was at Tara's house? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
2.) Were you ever at Tara's house, ever been in it? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
3.) When was the last time that you talked to Tara?
4.) Is it true that Tara hated to be called big T because she had a complex about her size and you put big T on your windows of your vehicle? [U] What is the source for this statement and you are stating AG is obviously & blatantly insulting her (more than likely ) deceased sister. Isn't that a a stretch even by message board standards? [U/]
5.) Is it true that you made such a big scene about Tara's personal belongings at the school but would not pick those items up and Bill Grinstead went to the school to retreive her personal items? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
6.) Is it true that you turned away help because those individuals did not believe MH harmed her? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
7.) Is it true that you are protecting HD and will not allow any discussing about him?
8.) Is it true that you opened a MYspace.com and demanded another one to be closed because they were stealing your glory? on this one remember there are PM's from you stating this and more [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
9.) Is it true that after staying with some very nice people in Ocilla that you were asked to leave their home and why were you asked to leave? [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/]
10.) Why did your story change all the time in your interviews?
11.) One last question for you AG on the picture with CB at 1:00 AM on Tara's front porch .. CB looked like she was exhausted and you, AG, you looked like you won the lottery, the sad part AG is that CB looked like she had lost a loved one and you were the psychic, why?" [U] How does this relate to TG disappearance?[U/] Are you Anita?

[fsbiii]

jond-

Who is the judge of what does, or does not, relate to Tara's disappearance? Anita? You? Me? None of the above.

I think any and all questions are relevant until answers are found which lead to an end to this whole situation.

If 'Results' thinks those questions are relative to Tara's disappearance, so be it.

[jond]

I am not Anita. For the second time, I have only posted under the name Jond.

I am not judging what relates in the post...I am asking "how", how does it relate to TG disappearance. For example, if AG had not been to TG house in 10 years, 10 months or 10 days - how does that connect AG to TG disappearance? I did not ask this of every question. I am trying to understand.

I have stated before, when all is said and done, I believe this case will be simple in terms of motivation and crime. No conspiracy, none of the wild scenarios. IMO, its the unknown POI #6.

[fsbiii]

No one knows the "how" - that's my point.

No one knows if it "connects" Anita to anything.

That's why they're questions... without answers.

Originally posted by jond
I am not Anita. For the second time, I have only posted under the name Jond.

I am not judging what relates in the post...I am asking "how", how does it relate to TG disappearance. For example, if AG had not been to TG house in 10 years, 10 months or 10 days - how does that connect AG to TG disappearance? I did not ask this of every question. I am trying to understand.

I have stated before, when all is said and done, I believe this case will be simple in terms of motivation and crime. No conspiracy, none of the wild scenarios. IMO, its the unknown POI #6.

[jond]

I can discern a question versus an accusation. Accusations are being made against AG & LG and there is no basis. I can distinguish between a relevant question and a question designed only to malign. This is not directed at Results post...in that post I do want to see how those questions relate to TG disappearance, or perhaps more reasonably, some could simply start a thread called "I don't like the G, and you don't either."

[mtpockets]

Originally posted by jond
I am not Anita. For the second time, I have only posted under the name Jond.

I am not judging what relates in the post...I am asking "how", how does it relate to TG disappearance. For example, if AG had not been to TG house in 10 years, 10 months or 10 days - how does that connect AG to TG disappearance? I did not ask this of every question. I am trying to understand.

I have stated before, when all is said and done, I believe this case will be simple in terms of motivation and crime. No conspiracy, none of the wild scenarios. IMO, its the unknown POI #6.

Ok I will bite. It doesn't CONNECT her to Tara's disappearance not at all.
BUT it does help to understand how much she knew about Tara since she seems to be the one that is most heavily involved.
Your example of 10 years, 10 months etc. How would Anita know what was missing from the home and what wasn't? How would she know what Tara might have been wearing if she wasn't that close to her sister?
If Anita wasn't that close to her sister so be it but IF there was someone that was closer to Tara would they be allowed to come in help without stepping on Anita's toes? IMO, probably not.

[fsbiii]

I believe if some of the 'questions' you call 'accusations' were actually answered by Anita, Larry, or anyone with direct knowledge, a lot of things would change. Others have opinions and the right to question and/or accuse them, just like you do not wish to do. Until they explain their conduct in some fashion, the questions, accusations, and suspicions will only increase IMO.

Originally posted by jond
I can discern a question versus an accusation. Accusations are being made against AG & LG and there is no basis. I can distinguish between a relevant question and a question designed only to malign. This is not directed at Results post...in that post I do want to see how those questions relate to TG disappearance, or perhaps more reasonably, some could simply start a thread called "I don't like the G, and you don't either."

[BikerBabe]

Original questions by results, answers posted by jond and my comments added to the mix:

OK, I will read your reply to these underlined ( I think ) questions:

1.) How long had it been since you was at Tara's house?

How does this relate to TG disappearance?

It establishes how often the two sisters saw each other in person as opposed to just dropping an email now and then, which has already been established.

2.) Were you ever at Tara's house, ever been in it?

How does this relate to TG disappearance?

It again establishes how close they were as sisters/family. If she didn't visit often when Tara was living there, it makes some question why Tara's mom didn't take the lead instead of Anita. Yes I'm aware her mom is sick, I'm sick too, to the point I use a chair outside my apartment, but I wouldn't let that stop me from finding a lost child.

3.) When was the last time that you talked to Tara?

No answer for this one? It again would establish how often the sisters talked either face to face or on the phone, possibly in IM if they were internet people.

4.) Is it true that Tara hated to be called big T because she had a complex about her size and you put big T on your windows of your vehicle?

What is the source for this statement and you are stating AG is obviously & blatantly insulting her (more than likely ) deceased sister. Isn't that a a stretch even by message board standards?

If this comment is on Anita's car, then it should be easy enough to answer for her.

5.) Is it true that you made such a big scene about Tara's personal belongings at the school but would not pick those items up and Bill Grinstead went to the school to retreive her personal items?

How does this relate to TG disappearance?

If she was so concerned and cared so much for Tara, wouldn't she have gone to the school asap to collect whatever Tara had there? It's been posted many times about how Tara was very caring about her belongings, a neat freak if you will. I would think a family member would honor that part of her personality and get to the school quickly to retrieve the items there. When they are left there and not collected, it makes people question why, especially since Anita had thrown a fit over them previously.

6.) Is it true that you turned away help because those individuals did not believe MH harmed her?

How does this relate to TG disappearance?

If the police got a fixation on just one person after a crime was committed, when he had a solid alibi, there would be a horrendous amount of innocent people in our prison system.

7.) Is it true that you are protecting HD and will not allow any discussing about him?

No answer to this one?

8.) Is it true that you opened a MYspace.com and demanded another one to be closed because they were stealing your glory? on this one remember there are PM's from you stating this and more

How does this relate to TG disappearance?

It reeks of jealousy to many people and if there was a jealousy problem, it would fit why she got so offended by anyone other than herself opening a forum to try to help find Tara.

9.) Is it true that after staying with some very nice people in Ocilla that you were asked to leave their home and why were you asked to leave?

How does this relate to TG disappearance?

It relates to a possible personality flaw when someone is asked to leave a dwelling they were offered a place to stay in for awhile. You normally aren't asked to leave, unless you have causes a scene or problem with the host.

10.) Why did your story change all the time in your interviews?

No answer for this one?

11.) One last question for you AG on the picture with CB at 1:00 AM on Tara's front porch .. CB looked like she was exhausted and you, AG, you looked like you won the lottery, the sad part AG is that CB looked like she had lost a loved one and you were the psychic, why?"

How does this relate to TG disappearance?

Sounds like 15 minutes of fame to me, but I could be wrong, I don't know the woman. I can only judge by her actions seen on news programs and in news articles released to the public since Tara disappeared.

[jond]

OK, I'll take that, BikerB. The reason for "No answer to this one?" is I could see the relevance of that question. For whatever reason, AG closeness, or lack thereof, to TG has never been a focus for me nor a distraction, for me it is not even an issue.

[concernedperson]

It is to me. Whether it is dysfunction raising its ugly head or a real concern. It hinders the investigation when some are not truthful or not willing to share everything. It says to me our secrets are more importent than your well being.I don't believe Anita killed her sister but her sidestepping is apparent.I really don't want to know all the dynamics of this family. I just want Tara found.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by concernedperson
It is to me. Whether it is dysfunction raising its ugly head or a real concern. It hinders the investigation when some are not truthful or not willing to share everything. It says to me our secrets are more importent than your well being.I don't believe Anita killed her sister but her sidestepping is apparent.I really don't want to know all the dynamics of this family. I just want Tara found.

And you don't think Tara's own sister wants her found more than you want Tara found?

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by jond
OK, I'll take that, BikerB. The reason for "No answer to this one?" is I could see the relevance of that question. For whatever reason, AG closeness, or lack thereof, to TG has never been a focus for me nor a distraction, for me it is not even an issue.

I have to question her motives. I see a woman who's husband emailed her sister more than she did. The same husband that failed the question on the LTD asking if he had an affair with Tara. (Had I failed that test, I would have asked to retest asap to get the record straight. Why didn't he do that?)

As has been posted many times in here, the perp could be reading along on all the Tara forums to keep up with what everyone is saying about the case. Perps are known for getting as involved in a case as they can, in order to distract attention from themselves and keep on top of it. I'm not saying Anita is responsible, but it can be made to look that way until she speaks out and answers the questions.

I would like to know why she doesn't reply to them. If she has nothing to hide, then why not answer? I sure would if I was in her position, if for no other reason that to get everyone's curiousity settled and to show them I was innocent, then they could return to looking at other information and POI.

[jond]

AG does not have the power over LE that some attribute to her. I give LE enough credit not to be distracted by what some here term dysfunction. Any statement desired of AG or LG or FG or BG or CG may satisfy curiosity on this board, but I doubt LE is being swayed or delayed by that same curiosity.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


And you don't think Tara's own sister wants her found more than you want Tara found?

I am not sure of this.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by jond
OK, I'll take that, BikerB. The reason for "No answer to this one?" is I could see the relevance of that question. For whatever reason, AG closeness, or lack thereof, to TG has never been a focus for me nor a distraction, for me it is not even an issue.

How could it not be a factor?

Anita is being used as the Encyclopedia Britannica of Tara Grinstead by many people.

If she wasn't that close to Tara, it would have a huge amount of relevance in regards to knowing how much weight to put on Anita's comments. (knowing Tara's habits, knowing her frame of mind in the weeks prior to her going missing, knowing her clothing or other personal belongs that may need to be indentified, etc.)

So, if Anita hadn't spoke to her sister in months prior to her disappearance, just how much of an authority is she on Tara's day to day habits?

She was mentioning what Tara "always" did or "never" did. Rather presumptuous if they weren't that close, don't you think?

And then it would all turn back unto itself and put a great big question mark up in the air wanting to know "why?" did Anita attempt to alter the perception? (If that has been the case)

Understanding Tara's relationship with everyone is important. That's typically one of the first things examined in a missing person's case.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Who said he failed that question? Can you post a link?

He did.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182784,00.html

L. GATTIS: Oh, yes, yes. I was in there for two hours. It was the most humiliating experience I've ever had. There were two men, Dominic Turner (ph) and Al Hagan (ph). Al Hagan was the polygrapher. They were both big men. We were in a room the size of probably a closet and I was grilled, humiliated, accused of lying. This went on for two hours and...

VAN SUSTEREN: So, they didn't believe you were telling the truth yesterday is that right, Larry?

L. GATTIS: That's what they said.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by concernedperson


I am not sure of this.

You have posted that you don't know Tara personally, but that you have had visions of some sort.

No matter what problems, if any, arose between Tara and her sister, I have no doubt they loved each other, even if they didn't see each other every day. Blood is thicker than water. To even suggest, that a total stranger on a MB, might want Tara found, more than her own family wants her to be found, is quite incredible.

IMO

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Who said he failed that question? Can you post a link?

Nope, but I've seen it posted many times on this forum that he admitted he failed the question and saw another post some time ago that claimed he hyperventilated which messed up the test.

I think he originally talked about it on one of the TV shows, but am not sure since I don't have a TV here to see any of the shows on. Hopefully someone else can answer this for you.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Are you Anita?
Aren't you the one who practically begged for an open discussion? Why come back with a sarcastic remark to that poster there? Was that really necessary? Do you have an agenda here or was that just an uncontrolled outburst?

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


How could it not be a factor?

Anita is being used as the Encyclopedia Britannica of Tara Grinstead by many people.

If she wasn't that close to Tara, it would have a huge amount of relevance in regards to knowing how much weight to put on Anita's comments. (knowing Tara's habits, knowing her frame of mind in the weeks prior to her going missing, knowing her clothing or other personal belongs that may need to be indentified, etc.)

So, if Anita hadn't spoke to her sister in months prior to her disappearance, just how much of an authority is she on Tara's day to day habits?

She was mentioning what Tara "always" did or "never" did. Rather presumptuous if they weren't that close, don't you think?

And then it would all turn back unto itself and put a great big question mark up in the air wanting to know "why?" did Anita attempt to alter the perception? (If that has been the case)

Understanding Tara's relationship with everyone is important. That's typically one of the first things examined in a missing person's case.
I didn't want to spoil everyone's fun by not allowing you to go ten miles down this road of "Anita and Tara hadn't spoken in months..." before I let you know that Anita spoke to Tara just a few days before the weekend she went missing. They had a very nice, normal, sisterly conversation.

Next theory?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You have posted that you don't know Tara personally, but that you have had visions of some sort.

No matter what problems, if any, arose between Tara and her sister, I have no doubt they loved each other, even if they didn't see each other every day. Blood is thicker than water. To even suggest, that a total stranger on a MB, might want Tara found, more than her own family wants her to be found, is quite incredible.

IMO Blood is thicker than water. And sometimes the motive is dysfunction whether you believe it or not. I will spend the time exposing it and let others decide but I won't arbitrarily agree with a statement when I see so much other things going on.

Don't denigrate me for a few visions. I didn't ask for them nor do I know why. My postings are based in real time. The visions are something else..I shared that is all.I am still me and I still base everything on real life experiences.

And to add to your confusion, I do know Tara. Not in the sense that you do. How's that for a double entendre?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Right after this test was done Dominic Turner told LG that he had failed the affair question. Turner told LG that he would not metion that to AG. LG said not to worry he was calling AG as soon as he left the room. That has been confirmed by the GBI. So if he did have the affair and knew AG wouldn't find out then why tell her?

Huh?

The question doesn't make sense.

The line of questioning (per Larry) was that they said something to the effect that Anita caught them twice or something like that.

So, if Anita "caught them", then she knew. It wouldn't be a big whoop-de-whoop if Larry told her he failed that question.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Right after this test was done Dominic Turner told LG that he had failed the affair question. Turner told LG that he would not metion that to AG. LG said not to worry he was calling AG as soon as he left the room. That has been confirmed by the GBI. So if he did have the affair and knew AG wouldn't find out then why tell her?

Good point. Maybe someone will get it soon.

[kelloggirl]

And you don't think Tara's own sister wants her found more than you want Tara found?

Warning! Rampant Speculation About AG Ahead!
Of course she does - which may be the problem, actually. Personally, I believe wholeheartedly that Anita does want to find Tara - but I think it's very very possible that this strong desire to find her sister has resulted in tunnel vision to the prevalence of focusing on one avenue of investigation - and it's perfectly understandable if this were the case.

I know personally I would find it soooo much easier to turn all my sadness and rage and frustration and uncertainty around the fact that my sibling was missing towards a target that I believed, in my heart of hearts, would eventually yield the answers I was looking for. Righteous anger is much easier to deal with than prolonged hopelessness and uncertainty. And it's quite easy at first glance to look towards MH (I know I did for a long time, and am still not 100% convinced) - on the surface the pieces maybe fit at one point, and maybe there were some other underlying factors that we don't know about that predisposed AG towards this point of view. On the other hand, if it's not MH, then who? Long-time family friend HD? Not very palatable. Other dates and acquaintances? What else is there? Nothing else but doubt, unanswered questions, uncertainty, lack of closure, and nowhere to go, nothing to really do but wait and occasionally search. That is the heartbreaking part of missing person cases - the not knowing. So IF this is occurring - it makes sense - doesn't make it right, but it's a common coping mechanism.

So, what many of the posters on this forum are asking by noting inconsistencies, at the most basic level, is if AG, the point person and family spokesperson on the investigation, is sufficiently cold and open to be honest about events and her relationship with Tara to ensure that information is not passed through her own filter that shares information that 1)is correct and 2)doesn't support one theory while leaving out that which is deemed not to be relevant (which would totally probably be something she wouldn't even be aware of on a conscious level)?

Another possibility, which BFD raised, is that some of these inconsistencies can arise from Tara herself. If Tara was having certain relationships she didn't want someone to know about, what could she have said to cover up meetings with someone? Making excuses about being upset about an ex-boyfriend's actions makes a great alibi for a woman needing to get together with a man.

Of course, AG or the family don't owe any of us any answers - I just hope that the GBI and LE is getting absolutely objective information, and that anyone who does feel they know the answers, can provide them on this board without blasting people for asking and getting defensive.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

I didn't want to spoil everyone's fun by not allowing you to go ten miles down this road of "Anita and Tara hadn't spoken in months..." before I let you know that Anita spoke to Tara just a few days before the weekend she went missing. They had a very nice, normal, sisterly conversation.

Next theory?

Well that's nice to hear. Since I've been asking that question for months.

Now, does this particular "story" have as much truthfulness in it as the "Marcus yelling at Tara and Rhett Roberts" story?

"Someone" (not sure who) has a great propensity to lie their ass off about this case. And I have to question why someone would feel the need to lie, unless they had something to hide and/or coverup. Obviously an agenda is in play... let's just hope it's not an agenda to cover up a wrongdoing.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Blood is thicker than water. And sometimes the motive is dysfunction whether you believe it or not. I will spend the time exposing it and let others decide but I won't arbitrarily agree with a statement when I see so much other things going on.

Don't denigrate me for a few visions. I didn't ask for them nor do I know why. My postings are based in real time. The visions are something else..I shared that is all.I am still me and I still base everything on real life experiences.

And to add to your confusion, I do know Tara. Not in the sense that you do. How's that for a double entendre?
If dysfunction was a strong motive I'd have to say that most of the families of the message board posters would be in danger, but honestly, do you actually believe that? Or was that largely based on a vision you had? Are you psychic? Have you had visions on other cases or just Tara's? I find it hard to grasp that Tara appeared to you in a vision holding a sign that said MY SISTER WHACKED ME. I'd just like to get an idea of what exactly you are basing your opinion on.

And what I truly do NOT understand is the shared opinion of the poster luvmy2labpups, who has declared time and time again that "no crime has been committed". If that is true, what, luvmy2labpups, are you actually accusing AG and LG of? Can you answer that?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

Aren't you the one who practically begged for an open discussion? Why come back with a sarcastic remark to that poster there? Was that really necessary? Do you have an agenda here or was that just an uncontrolled outburst? Jond answered questions with questions that were directed to AG. So I asked if jond was Anita because Jond was responding. Plain and simple. Nothing more.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


He never stated to GBI that AG caught them. 99% of LDT questions are yes/no answers. I don't know where you got your info but it is incorrect.

WTF are you talking about? I didn't say he told them Anita caught him. Read my post again.

You come in asking for a link to something. And then the freaking link has the very things I'm talking about... and you all of a sudden have the answers out of the blue.

You don't even know about Larry's interview with Greta and what he said, but yet you know what is right and wrong?

You're contradicting the very man you're trying to defend.

Damn, if you're going to lie to coverup for someone, at least talk to them beforehand and understand what the hell the story is supposed to be.

From the same link:

They asked me about rumors about a supposed affair I had had with Tara. Supposedly Anita had observed this on two different occasions. And, at this point, I became concerned that maybe the investigation, the questioning of me was more in the way of harassment actually than part of their investigation.

[fsbiii]

GRACE: Anita Gattis, how often did you speak to her on the phone?

GATTIS: Sometimes we may go a couple of weeks and not speak, but we e-mailed quite frequently.

GRACE: Would you say every day or every other day?

GATTIS: Every other day on the e-mail.

This is the only 'public' information I've seen about Anita's communication with Tara. I'm glad to know they spoke a few days before the weekend she went missing though. That's certainly new information.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Now where is your proof that the exchange of words did not occur?

You don't "prove" a negative. It's incumbent upon the person providing a statement of fact to provide the proof.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Well that's nice to hear. Since I've been asking that question for months.

Now, does this particular "story" have as much truthfulness in it as the "Marcus yelling at Tara and Rhett Roberts" story?

"Someone" (not sure who) has a great propensity to lie their ass off about this case. And I have to question why someone would feel the need to lie, unless they had something to hide and/or coverup. Obviously an agenda is in play... let's just hope it's not an agenda to cover up a wrongdoing.

You have proven splendidly, once again, why people are wary of providing you with the information you desire. Once it's provided, if you don't like it, you discard it as "lying". If you will look at your post, it can just as well apply to you as it could to me or anyone else.

No one has heard back from you regarding your "offer to search", so may we assume that is a lie as well?

The FACT that A & T spoke is not a lie. You asked the question, not me. I had no reason to. It's just amazing sometimes to watch you people go from one rumor to the next and back again, never seeing the truth standing by the side of the road you are traveling up and down up and down up and down. If you were around that family for 10 minutes you would change your entire opinion and feel very small for the comments you have made thus far. Your opinions are based on rumor, innuendo and outright false information provided to you by God knows who. JMHOOBFD.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

If dysfunction was a strong motive I'd have to say that most of the families of the message board posters would be in danger, but honestly, do you actually believe that? Or was that largely based on a vision you had? Are you psychic? Have you had visions on other cases or just Tara's? I find it hard to grasp that Tara appeared to you in a vision holding a sign that said MY SISTER WHACKED ME. I'd just like to get an idea of what exactly you are basing your opinion on.

And what I truly do NOT understand is the shared opinion of the poster luvmy2labpups, who has declared time and time again that "no crime has been committed". If that is true, what, luvmy2labpups, are you actually accusing AG and LG of? Can you answer that? Asking questions is not accusing, it is wanting to find answers to my questions. If I read something or have been told something I try and verify it, it makes sense right? Don't you do that? I still firmly believe that she is alive and well. I think Tara left on her own or with help. IIRC up until not too long ago pre-psychic/pre-Godwin Anita and Faye also believed she is alive as well. Atleast that is what they said in interviews.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Key word!!! And just because I asked for proof, DO NOT assume I don't know certain things. There are a lot of rumors and I don't want to be involved with them. So I ask for proof before I get into a debate about a subject. AND I DO NOT LIE FOR ANYONE!!

LMAO

Hey there Einstein, those are "Larry's" words I quoted. His voice. His statement.


You want "proof" that something didn't happen? Uhhh... okay... can you provide me a link or some proof that you didn't yell at Tara and Rhett?

How about proving to me that you didn't call the moderators on here "fools"?

Or can your provide me the link to prove you weren't another nasty nickname before you came with this one?

Come on Einstein, I want to see some proof that you "didn't" do something. LMAO

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You don't "prove" a negative. It's incumbent upon the person providing a statement of fact to provide the proof.

Prove that statement is true.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


You have proven splendidly, once again, why people are wary of providing you with the information you desire. Once it's provided, if you don't like it, you discard it as "lying". If you will look at your post, it can just as well apply to you as it could to me or anyone else.

No one has heard back from you regarding your "offer to search", so may we assume that is a lie as well?

The FACT that A & T spoke is not a lie. You asked the question, not me. I had no reason to. It's just amazing sometimes to watch you people go from one rumor to the next and back again, never seeing the truth standing by the side of the road you are traveling up and down up and down up and down. If you were around that family for 10 minutes you would change your entire opinion and feel very small for the comments you have made thus far. Your opinions are based on rumor, innuendo and outright false information provided to you by God knows who. JMHOOBFD.

Look, there has been a particular faction that loves to tell lies about this case. I don't have the slightest idea why.

But you are obviously buddies with them. You post with them. You compliment each other. Most of you post at the same time.

So, I must assume you are part and parcel of the liars.

I wouldn't feel small for any comments I've made. I have no conscience when asking questions about a case. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

I couldn't care less if I hurt someone's feelings or not. I'm not here to molly-coddle anyone. I just want the truth of the matter. That's all. A really simple thing.

But it's like pulling teeth with some people.

You? I don't know. That's why I asked.

But with the Rhett Roberts BS. Yeah, I know that's a lie. And anyone pushing that particular story is a liar.

[HonestInjun]

Update on CCL tomorrow at 5PM Eastern if anyone is remotely interested at this point.

[odette]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Sadly the people that are making these accusations are not close to the case. I have been helping in this case for 7 months. I have seen a lot of things that clear LG from this horrible mess. And the GBI are happy with their investigation of him since he has been cleared. Instead of attacking the family how about you'll help in ways that contribute. Like donate for the searches. The searchers are looking for Tara (which you all say is the most important thing right now). The searchers have to eat and drink, even more so on these hot Georgia days. Let's stop attacking any of the family. Wether AG was close to Tara makes no difference. That doesn't mean she didn't love Tara and wants here back with the WHOLE family!! JMO

Cleared??

Crime Library ~ Seamus McGraw ~ 1/30/06

quote: Frustrated by the scrutiny and what he believed to be heavy-handed treatment by the investigators, Gattis said he underwent a polygraph test — he says he demanded it, law enforcement sources strongly dispute that, which sources have said he passed — and also decided to speak publicly about the treatment he received at the hands of investigators. And his decision to speak out, he said, has tempered the treatment he has received from investigators. "They've been a little nicer," Gattis said, adding that he received a telephone call late last week from the GBI brass informing him that he was no longer in the investigators' cross hairs. Law enforcement sources also dispute that, saying they have ruled no one in or out as a result of the investigation thus far. :end quote

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0106/3001_rumors_tar_tara_brotherinaw2.html

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Look, there has been a particular faction that loves to tell lies about this case. I don't have the slightest idea why.

But you are obviously buddies with them. You post with them. You compliment each other. Most of you post at the same time.

So, I must assume you are part and parcel of the liars.

I wouldn't feel small for any comments I've made. I have no conscience when asking questions about a case. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

I couldn't care less if I hurt someone's feelings or not. I'm not here to molly-coddle anyone. I just want the truth of the matter. That's all. A really simple thing.

But it's like pulling teeth with some people.

You? I don't know. That's why I asked.

But with the Rhett Roberts BS. Yeah, I know that's a lie. And anyone pushing that particular story is a liar.
You asked a question.

I answered it.

You bashed me because you didn't like the answer.

Very simple.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

If dysfunction was a strong motive I'd have to say that most of the families of the message board posters would be in danger, but honestly, do you actually believe that? Or was that largely based on a vision you had? Are you psychic? Have you had visions on other cases or just Tara's? I find it hard to grasp that Tara appeared to you in a vision holding a sign that said MY SISTER WHACKED ME. I'd just like to get an idea of what exactly you are basing your opinion on.

And what I truly do NOT understand is the shared opinion of the poster luvmy2labpups, who has declared time and time again that "no crime has been committed". If that is true, what, luvmy2labpups, are you actually accusing AG and LG of? Can you answer that? I don;t believe you actually read anything I posted. Other than that I think you are whacked and need to check your meds.

[HonestInjun]

BTW, I had some of the other answers as well, from the long long bash-the-gattis questionnaire, but will I be hesitant to answer them now?

Of course.

Because if the answers are what you DON'T want to hear, you'll pick it apart. If some of them are something you DO want to hear, you'll turn it around into something it's not. So we lose either way when answering the questions of you and your friends on this board.

Good grief, why not ask BikerBabe why she's letting her 80 year old mother live her last days in the clutches of a cult maniac? Yet you'd believe HER POSTS over MINE?

Hello???? I saw the porch light on...is anybody home???????

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I don;t believe you actually read anything I posted. Other than that I think you are whacked and need to check your meds. Actually, I did NOT read your vision if you posted it. That's why I ASKED ABOUT IT. I'm curious if you based your opinion on your vision and why the LM2LP person is AGREEING with all this, yet thinks no crime has been committed? That makes no sense.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by HonestInjun
BTW, I had some of the other answers as well, from the long long bash-the-gattis questionnaire, but will I be hesitant to answer them now?

Of course.

Because if the answers are what you DON'T want to hear, you'll pick it apart. If some of them are something you DO want to hear, you'll turn it around into something it's not. So we lose either way when answering the questions of you and your friends on this board.

Good grief, why not ask BikerBabe why she's letting her 80 year old mother live her last days in the clutches of a cult maniac? Yet you'd believe HER POSTS over MINE?

Hello???? I saw the porch light on...is anybody home???????

Good grief,what does BikerBabe have to do with Tara's disappearance? She posted about her personal experiences,I truly believe your meds are off kilter.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Results


Facts? Let me hear them! Rumor? I'm judging by what I see!

You know I have to tell you that that is what the problem is we have got this false information from AG, herself. I don't know if she is nervous or what but the information she kept giving is either 1.) she didn't know and guessed 2.) she is trying to sell her story on MH and will change story when needed or 3.) she is asking people that she thinks were close to Tara and might know things about Tara.

We started at the beginning of AG interviews to today's interviews. Please show me where I am wrong?

But, I will tell you this when I just couldn't take being quiet about AG is when her Mother, FG, spent Mothers Day alone. One daughter could not be there and AG should have in my opinion not let her Mother sat alone on Mothers Day! You can run me in the dirt, make smart remarks but YOU will never make me be able to swallow it was OK to do that to FG. None of you will! Go ahead and preach how wrong I am for saying things about AG but they are my opinions. No one can be wrong about their opinions, but you ARE wrong about your facts.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

You asked a question.

I answered it.

You bashed me because you didn't like the answer.

Very simple.

I "bashed" you?

Since when is asking if what you've stated is true considered "bashing"?

You remind me of someone else that yelled "bashing" every time they got their feelings hurt of didn't agree with something someone said.

Because you don't agree with something, doesn't mean it's "bashing". It just means you don't agree with it.

LMAO

:lol:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Results


Then show me? Simple request....show me?

Show you? I thought BFD said the person stating the facts needed to prove them? You can't have it both ways.

[HonestInjun]

Results, to be fair, SOME of what you have posted is true. But MOST of it is NOT. I'm not trying to be difficult, but enough is enough. You shouldn't post things you are given by others who don't even know these people. That's what most object to IMO.

[HonestInjun]

Don't forget CCL tomorrow. BFD I wish you could be on too, so you could ask all of your questions.

Peace everybody.
:seeya:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


This is what you posted right after I answered the phone call question... Looks like bashing to me:

"Well that's nice to hear. Since I've been asking that question for months.

Now, does this particular "story" have as much truthfulness in it as the "Marcus yelling at Tara and Rhett Roberts" story?

"Someone" (not sure who) has a great propensity to lie their ass off about this case. And I have to question why someone would feel the need to lie, unless they had something to hide and/or coverup. Obviously an agenda is in play... let's just hope it's not an agenda to cover up a wrongdoing."


Now, I ask you, was that a friendly "thanks for the info" response? No, it wasn't. You didn't like my answer so you decided to try to discredit it.

Oh BTW, I searched the word "bashing" on CTV and it's used over 14,000 times. So it couldn't be me that said it.

No.

But see, here's the rub:

I asked specifically, many time, when was the last time Anita has spoke to Tara before she went missing.

It was completely ignored. No one wanted to broach that subject.

Now, today, out of the blue, you decide to answer the question. Can you understand why I find that suspect? Why not answer months ago when I asked? (It's possible you didn't see me ask months ago; but I know you saw me ask just the other day; no answer then)

So, your recent desire to be forthright is appreciated. But I honestly do have to ask how much weight I can put on it.

Just as you would question the veracity of my statements. Right?

At the present time (let's not play around) we would consider each other "adversaries". Not that that has a negative connotation. It doesn't in this sense.

But, as adversaries, we need to be wary of what is being told to us. Both of us perceive people across from us as having an "agenda". So, we tap dance around each other here and there. And the tap dance will continue until a trust can be built.

At the present time I have zero trust for zorro, popcorn and mannequin. All because of the Rhett Roberts issue. I know what Rhett Roberts has said about this. Now, if they want to claim they are totally relying upon Maria or some alleged email, that's fine. But the trust factor comes down to where they're claiming Rhett Roberts is backing up this story when I know that is not the case. (See my predicament?)

If people will quit playing the games. Forget the "secret information" and "I know stuff" crap... and just be honest with what they do or do not know, it would make things so much simpler.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


No.

But see, here's the rub:

I asked specifically, many time, when was the last time Anita has spoke to Tara before she went missing.

It was completely ignored. No one wanted to broach that subject.

Now, today, out of the blue, you decide to answer the question. Can you understand why I find that suspect? Why not answer months ago when I asked? (It's possible you didn't see me ask months ago; but I know you saw me ask just the other day; no answer then)

So, your recent desire to be forthright is appreciated. But I honestly do have to ask how much weight I can put on it.

Just as you would question the veracity of my statements. Right?

At the present time (let's not play around) we would consider each other "adversaries". Not that that has a negative connotation. It doesn't in this sense.

But, as adversaries, we need to be wary of what is being told to us. Both of us perceive people across from us as having an "agenda". So, we tap dance around each other here and there. And the tap dance will continue until a trust can be built.

At the present time I have zero trust for zorro, popcorn and mannequin. All because of the Rhett Roberts issue. I know what Rhett Roberts has said about this. Now, if they want to claim they are totally relying upon Maria or some alleged email, that's fine. But the trust factor comes down to where they're claiming Rhett Roberts is backing up this story when I know that is not the case. (See my predicament?)

If people will quit playing the games. Forget the "secret information" and "I know stuff" crap... and just be honest with what they do or do not know, it would make things so much simpler.

Fair enough. But just don't be so quick to smash someone who DOES answer a question. You have to admit, those were not normal questions, asked in a normal, unbiased way. That is probably why people did not rush to answer them.

Really gone this time. DO watch CCL though, it could be informative. We can only hope.
:seeya:

[Rick Karon]

Injun, will Dr G. be on CCL tomorrow? He is on there alot. Maybe we will get some new info tomorrow.

[simply quiet]

This is like walking through a maze in here tonight.....one group is asking questions and the other 2 posters are dancing all around trying to avoid any answers, not that they can give any, but they are dancing anyhow.

I take it there was no arrest today.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Just wondering, Have you asked Rhett if this is true or not?

I have not personally spoke to Rhett.

I have it from independent sources that Rhett doesn't have the slightest idea what anyone is talking about in regards to Marcus allegedly yelling at him and Tara.

I have absolutely NO DOUBT in the truthfulness of my first source. Rhett was asked in front of witnesses.

Just today another poster that claims to be close to Rhett has stated the same thing I stated. (In fact, they were quite adamant).

But even if I did call him up and ask him, no one would believe me if I reported back here and stated what he said.

Maybe someone can talk Seamus into interviewing Rhett?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Seamus doesn't have anymore credit than you or anyone else, including me on this board.

Credit? ... when reporters write false stories with false quotes, they usually get sued... some even go to jail.

An article written by Seamus with direct quotes would most definitely be credible.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by HonestInjun
Actually, I did NOT read your vision if you posted it. That's why I ASKED ABOUT IT. I'm curious if you based your opinion on your vision and why the LM2LP person is AGREEING with all this, yet thinks no crime has been committed? That makes no sense. I believe everyone has a right to ask questions, is there a problem with that? BTW I already answered that and you didn't respond. Even though I believe she is alive, it does not mean I am not open to discussing other possibilities.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by HonestInjun
Update on CCL tomorrow at 5PM Eastern if anyone is remotely interested at this point.

What is CCL?

TIA

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I have not personally spoke to Rhett.

I have it from independent sources that Rhett doesn't have the slightest idea what anyone is talking about in regards to Marcus allegedly yelling at him and Tara.

I have absolutely NO DOUBT in the truthfulness of my first source. Rhett was asked in front of witnesses.

Just today another poster that claims to be close to Rhett has stated the same thing I stated. (In fact, they were quite adamant).

But even if I did call him up and ask him, no one would believe me if I reported back here and stated what he said.

Maybe someone can talk Seamus into interviewing Rhett? BUMPING FOR MATT

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Well wake up!!! All of your information on Rhett is not based on facts. It is hearsay in a court of law, unless Rhett raises his hand and tells it his self. So your the one spreading rumors. You really don't need to be a lawyer or investigator.


I had no desire to really know until people kept claiming Marcus was a murdering ******* and one piece of the evidence proving that was the way he yelled at Tara and Rhett one day.

That was what got my attention.

The fact people were lapping this rumor up as "fact".

It came to a head when someone stated it was a "fact" that this event occurred.

I was informed by my source that Rhett didn't have the slightest idea about what people were talking about when he was asked about it a few months back.

As I've stated, my source is very reliable. Rhett stated this in front of witnesses. Another individual that is close to Rhett has just confirmed my source's information again.

So, it's not a rumor.

Keep believing it. I would say you're going to look stupid once the truth finally comes out of Rhett's own mouth either via an interview or via a trial... but by the time that occurs, you'll be sixteen nicknames removed from this one.

And I would much rather start a rumor that something "didn't happen", rather than falsely accusing someone of "doing something" they didn't.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Does that include the article Seamus McGraw published and then some of the quoted information was removed?

Are you saying that because an article has quoted remarks it makes the entire article objective and/or credible?

If yes, how about articles that have unnamed sources? You have been one of the first row fighters when it comes Tara's emails,
well what about unnamed sources where articles go? Wouldn't your assertion that unless a person is identified, there is little reliability or authentication available?


just wondering...



:seeya:

Why was it removed?

I don't care about "unnamed" sources as long as there are "direct quotes". Direct quotes provide culpability.

Often a writer will paraphrase. A person needs to be aware of that.

(I thought you said you were a reporter? Don't you know this stuff?)

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Like I said, I don't know who you think I am, but your reliable source means Jack to me. Because for all I know You have made it up. Rhett may not have any clue but unless you hear it from his mouth you are spreading rumors!!!!!!!!!!!!!:punch:

Yep.

And it's a rumor I don't mind spreading. Because no one is harmed.

Unlike the rumors about people murdering, covering up murders, conspiring to murder, etc., ad nauseum.

Those are the types of rumors that ruin people's lives.

Mine won't ruin anyone's life.

How about (since you're a local) you go ask Rhett about this?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


I'm old enough to know the law.

And what law is that?

What do you know about criminal libel in the state of Georgia?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


That and a few other things. Why? You worried?

LMAO

Not in the least. I have absolutely no fears.

Though, some of the people accusing Marcus Harper of murder, Sean Fletcher of being an accomplice to murder, Michael Lankford of being an accomplice to murder after the fact... those folks should be worried. Very worried.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


MH is a POI
SF is his so called alibi
ML tried to kill himself multipule times.
What's to be worried about?

Really? A person of interest?

Would you mind pointing me in the direction of that particular statement coming from law enforcement?

And being a "person of interest" is a hell of a lot different than coming right out and saying they "murdered Tara". Trust me, that is libel. Criminal and civil. And all of you should be thanking your lucky stars that Marcus is a decent person and hasn't pressed charges or brought suit yet.

Sean Flecther is his alibi? As if that's a crime? He's an upstanding cop doing his job and some nutjob who couldn't figure out how to implicate Marcus without implicating his ablibi got that ball rolling.

And Michael Lankford is not confirmed to have tried to kill himself. He overdosed. That's all that's known at this time. Rather libelous to say he tried to kill himself, don't you think?

You obviously do NOT know much about criminal libel in the state of Georgia. Or you would be talking in measured tones.

Though, this reminds me of some people that have anger and control issues... you can point them in the right direction over and over... but they always tend to self-destruct. And you seem to be working on that angle right now.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


LMAO

Not in the least. I have absolutely no fears.

Though, some of the people accusing Marcus Harper of murder, Sean Fletcher of being an accomplice to murder, Michael Lankford of being an accomplice to murder after the fact... those folks should be worried. Very worried.

Interesting reading tonight. You have more patience then I ever gave you credit for. :)

Nite, and carry on. :seeya:

[fsbiii]

There is court-ordered treatment for that, too, sometimes.

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Though, this reminds me of some people that have anger and control issues... you can point them in the right direction over and over... but they always tend to self-destruct. And you seem to be working on that angle right now.

[rhill]

Huh? :confused:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by rhill


Huh? :confused: Exactly rhill.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Catherine Crier Live on CTV :patriot:

Thanks! :patriot:

[odette]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


Maybe I have knowledge you don't about what is and is not libel. Unless your a lawyer you may want to watch what you say. And if ML can read it tells you how many to take.

And if ML can read it tells you how many to take.

And what do you mean by THAT

:confused:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Angels Astray


When I said Supposedly being the key word, Larry was stating that someone told the GBI about the affair. And as far as the law. You might not want to debate that with me. And how about you grow up and quick trying to play detective because no investigator is going to tell you what they have or do not have. They aren't as stupid acting as you, they don't want to ruine the case.

LOL

"Playing detective"? Sonny, I used to get paid to be a detective. LMAO

But you'd be surprised what the "family's investigator" has shared with everyone and their grandmother.

But you are right about one thing. Absolutely no investigator working for law enforcement (in their right mind) will share information with anybody (including you, Anita or anyone else) that is a civilian. And that is how it should be. And is also a pretty good reason why I haven't asked anyone in law enforcement to share anything with me. I already understand protocol. (Though, some LE have inadvertently shared things with me, unknowingly).

I have the resources and the know how to get most of the answers I want.

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by Angels Astray

And if ML can read it tells you how many to take.

Explain me this: you have a script that tells you to take as needed, how many do you take? You have a couple different scripts that you do NOT discuss with your doctor or pharmacist prior to taking, then after taking both at the same time, you OD. You still would say this is a suicide attempt?

Those are the normal causes of an OD if the person isn't a true drug addict. Medical addicts are always aware (if they've got one working brain cell) that OD is a possibility from drug interactions and they normally are very careful of adding any new drug their doc gives them into the mix.

One way a former addict will OD is to give in to cravings and take the same amount of drugs he used to ingest, which by then is way too much, given your tolerance to the drug goes down when you aren't using daily. The result is accidential OD. Another way is buying street drugs from an unknown dealer and getting a bag that is from a stronger batch than you realize, then you OD.

Nothing a good shot of Narcan (Naloxone) won't help if given in time.

Do you always make seemingly truthful comments about things you have no knowledge of?

[Aussie]

Careful, BFD & LUV
you might end up with a "spell" cast on you.:no:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Aussie
Careful, BFD & LUV
you might end up with a "spell" cast on you.:no:

It can't get much worse than this.

Everytime I enter this board, I can hear Rod Serling's voice accompanied by the music from the Twilight Zone series.

[The R]

Wow.....

I missed a day of reading......

Must've been a full moon on 8-10-06!

;)


R

[Son Of A Gun]

As one one of the searchers on this case, I have to tell you that as information comes in since the beginning, things that were originally said have been updated with the correct information. That is why the differences in the stories. Anita did not change her story deliberately, but she simply updated them to what she knew to be a fact at that time. That I hope will explain the differences in the stories.

When people are dealing with a missing person, I think it is very hard to think straight, due to the fact that they want to wake up from this nightmare. When you have media on the scene, that is a very hard thing to deal with and try and keep your head straight to answer the questions being asked, especially when you are still trying to sort things out in your head about how to find your missing loved one.

Anita has had alot to deal with. She has been trying to find her sister by checking out every tip that comes in even if it was from a psychic, she has had a couple of deaths in her family, and now she is taking care of her mother. To be honest, I don't have a clue how Anita is still sane after all of these months. She has got to be totally worn out.

I hope this post will maybe give everyone some insight about the story changing. Anita would never just change her story like that unless new updates were there for her to change a story.

I am sure I will be bashed and my post will be picked apart. I hope that doesn't happen.

[cbcrime]

M71 - you spend a lot of time doing research on the internet. Sometimes though if you go directly to the source - your questions will be answered. Did you go directly to the admins of the board and ask your questions?

That is such an easy option and your questions could be answered. Instead you have a whole list of questions and your post insinuates something is not right.

Why would you ask your questions on an open board rather than the actual source?

[Suzan]

There are many of us out here reading, who do not post. But, with the recent discussion of slander and libel I wanted to make a comment.

In most states the charges of slander are hard to prove. It must be proven that the rumor, innuendo, or lie was created to defame a person and has to have a malicious intent. It must also be proven that the lie...is a lie and not a truth. It must also be proven that the lie was created by the one being charged and in a malicious manner.
Note* (as an example) It would be rather hard to follow a rumor back to the original source, especially when the internet is involved, and post's have been removed. It would take a court order to ctv to prove a statement was posted here, it would be a monumental task. Although, a situation arising from such a law suit in itself would clear up a rumor, and undo some of its damage. Which is what celebrities do to clear their name.

If the above is proven. And if the lie caused the victim to lose face in the workplace, or if that person was fired from a job because of the lie, or if the person was discredited to the degree that it caused that person to lose income in their business, than that is libel.

In most cases, when a charge of slander is placed, a simple retraction or apology remedies the situation.
Although some celebrities have gone the length and received compensation when a libel charge was followed through, undoubtedly it would cost a fortune to take a case that far, that is why there are so few libel cases that reach maturity, and those are usually wealthy celebrities.

I am not in GA, and do not pretend to know the law there, but this has been my understanding about slander and libel.

"my post's are an opinion only"

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Suzan
There are many of us out here reading, who do not post. But, with the recent discussion of slander and libel I wanted to make a comment.

In most states the charges of slander are hard to prove. It must be proven that the rumor, innuendo, or lie was created to defame a person and has to have a malicious intent. It must also be proven that the lie...is a lie and not a truth. It must also be proven that the lie was created by the one being charged and in a malicious manner.
Note* (as an example) It would be rather hard to follow a rumor back to the original source, especially when the internet is involved, and post's have been removed. It would take a court order to ctv to prove a statement was posted here, it would be a monumental task. Although, a situation arising from such a law suit in itself would clear up a rumor, and undo some of its damage. Which is what celebrities do to clear their name.

If the above is proven. And if the lie caused the victim to lose face in the workplace, or if that person was fired from a job because of the lie, or if the person was discredited to the degree that it caused that person to lose income in their business, than that is libel.

In most cases, when a charge of slander is placed, a simple retraction or apology remedies the situation.
Although some celebrities have gone the length and received compensation when a libel charge was followed through, undoubtedly it would cost a fortune to take a case that far, that is why there are so few libel cases that reach maturity, and those are usually wealthy celebrities.

I am not in GA, and do not pretend to know the law there, but this has been my understanding about slander and libel.

"my post's are an opinion only"

Good post, but one slight correction. Repeating something libelous (or slanderous) makes that person just as culpable as the person it originated from.

Georgia is one of the few states that still has criminal libel on the books. It's not necessarily just a civil matter with monetary damages attached. It can actually mean jail time.

[Suzan]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Good post, but one slight correction. Repeating something libelous (or slanderous) makes that person just as culpable as the person it originated from.

Georgia is one of the few states that still has criminal libel on the books. It's not necessarily just a civil matter with monetary damages attached. It can actually mean jail time.

Yes, your right.... I do believe the secondhand person would have to have been proven to know it is a lie, and have malicious intent as well?.

Especially when so many people know to say....it's my opinion, as under the 5th Am, we are allowed to have an opinion even if it based on unfounded information.

Am I on track?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Suzan


Yes, your right.... I do believe the secondhand person would have to have been proven to know it is a lie, and have malicious intent as well?.

Especially when so many people know to say....it's my opinion, as under the 5th Am, we are allowed to have an opinion even if it based on unfounded information.

Am I on track?

Sounds like it. I'm not an attorney, but what you're saying sounds just like how it has been explained to me from different lawyers.

[Suzan]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Sounds like it. I'm not an attorney, but what you're saying sounds just like how it has been explained to me from different lawyers.

That would explain then, when we hear of magazines printing a story of someone that is untrue, they say: Our sources say...yattida yattida, and if the person it has been written about calls a foul, the magazines simply prints a retraction. If they don't print a retraction they are responsible as well.
Leaving the original source (if exposed) responsible. Of which they do not have to legally expose unless pressured.

Interesting...

Thanks for the chat :)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


BFD-

WHY? what is your theory? What needs to be done in your view?
I mentioned small town - the last small town where she was seen was Ocilla --

you think whoever holds the key is in Hawkinsville?

Have you formed any working theories?

:seeya:

It might be because MH isn't in/from Hawkinsville.

JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Results


Paula,

Please stop. Dont' hate...debate!

I don't hate anyone.



IMO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


It might be because MH isn't in/from Hawkinsville.

JMO
Marcus Harper doesn't have a thing to do with the fact I think Tara is alive and well.

But if you would like to explain my theories to Veracity, please do so.

You seem to think you can speak for me, please do so.

[mtpockets]

I have asked this before on another board but did LE ever come out publicly and say that LG failed that part of the LDT or was this just an statement from LG and AG?

[odette]

One particular question I have is this ~ "Is there ANY truth in the allegation that LG and Tara were having an affair?".

Larry Harriet, CourtNet -- Tuesday, February 7th, 2006

quote: LARRY GATTIS: Yes, and what made it really obvious is the fact that part of their accusation was the fact that Anita had caught us twice, supposedly a week before she disappeared, and I had been asked about this on numerous, numerous of occasions, and actually probably about it the last time, and they never bothered to ask Anita if she saw that. :end quote

http://courtnetonline.bravehost.com/taragrinstead1.html

IMO

[mtpockets]

My 0.02 cents worth is- LE may have been using this as an interrogation technique. LG/AG to control the issue jumped the gun and went public with it before LE. Perhaps LE had heard rumors and figured this might lead to a break in the case?
jmo

[Suzan]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't hate anyone.

I'm not the one accusing Tara's family of all sorts of things - a favorite strategy around these parts.

IMO



One nice thing about so many people being interested in this case.

If we were to all be searching, we would not all be standing and staring at the same spot on the ground. Some would be looking in wells, some in buildings, some at irregularities in the soil. Each having their own thoughts and idea's. It is the same with the people surrounding the missing person. Each person focuses on what is of interest to them due to their own experiences (be it professional or otherwise). I don't feel that looking and discussing different poi's is an accusation., Their roles in the life of the person missing, and also there connections and motives. A form of discarding dead ends so a person can move forward in there minds on to new poi's. It may be offensive to some to look at the family, but these boards off of ctv were created to discuss cases.
I mean no offense, but if you look at all the cases there are, some are committed by parents, siblings, off spring, neighbors, clergy, strangers, old flames, ex jealous spouses, spurned lovers and there spouses, strangers and dog catchers. No one because of there proximity to the missing person is above being researched. Yes, it is painful to look wryly at a family member as most of us cannot comprehend what kind of a person it takes to do something to a relative, but face it folks, it happens.
Why? Jealousy, Money, Attention, Revenge, Drugs & Alcohol, Mental afflictions, Anger/Hate, the list goes on.

How many cases can you think of that the "doer of the deed" was a part of the search group and right under everyone's noses. How many times have you heard, I cannot believe so and so did it, I have known them all my life, or they lived right next door and was really a nice guy?

Motives are hidden from us inside the person who commits such a crime, and the only way to uncover it sometimes is by looking at what motivates them in other places, and checking to see if their claims are accurate. I believe that is what is going on here.... no cause for anyone to get insulted as I don't think anyone means to offend anyone personally.

[Suzan]

Originally posted by Results
Excellent post!

:beer:
Thank you :)

[cbcrime]

Suzan - you are correct. Looking at the family is natural. It is what LE does. So people to question all people who surrounded Tara is not abnormal. I am sorry that people seem to see questions as bashing. How many posters - in the beginning questioned Mark Lunsford and his actions? Really part of the problem is that LG and AG went public with the LDT. IIRC in an article LG stated he told the GBI he was going to go public - because he felt mistreated. Well when you bring something like that up - people are going to question it. Are there answers in Hawkinsville? I don't know - but that is where Tara grew up. Maybe understanding Tara will help answer who harmed her.

[mooloo]

This quote from Larry Gattis has always sounded very strange. "the fact that Anita had caught us twice" supposedly.....

The wording in that statement is weird, sounds like it was a fact that Anita had caught them and supposedly it was a week before Tara disappeared. Or is it just my nit-picking at sentence structure? Or is it just LG being nervous during the interview/program?


Originally posted by odette
One particular question I have is this ~ "Is there ANY truth in the allegation that LG and Tara were having an affair?".

Larry Harriet, CourtNet -- Tuesday, February 7th, 2006

quote: LARRY GATTIS: Yes, and what made it really obvious is the fact that part of their accusation was the fact that Anita had caught us twice, supposedly a week before she disappeared, and I had been asked about this on numerous, numerous of occasions, and actually probably about it the last time, and they never bothered to ask Anita if she saw that. :end quote

http://courtnetonline.bravehost.com/taragrinstead1.html

IMO

[odette]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Suzan - you are correct. Looking at the family is natural. It is what LE does. So people to question all people who surrounded Tara is not abnormal. I am sorry that people seem to see questions as bashing. How many posters - in the beginning questioned Mark Lunsford and his actions? Really part of the problem is that LG and AG went public with the LDT. IIRC in an article LG stated he told the GBI he was going to go public - because he felt mistreated. Well when you bring something like that up - people are going to question it. Are there answers in Hawkinsville? I don't know - but that is where Tara grew up. Maybe understanding Tara will help answer who harmed her.

IIRC in an article LG stated he told the GBI he was going to go public - because he felt mistreated.

Larry Harriet, CourtNet -- Tuesday, February 7th, 2006

LARRY GATTIS: quote: ..............you know when I left the office there, they knew where I was going with this (to the press) and I let them know that. I also let them know that its time for me to let this behavior (of the GBI's) was made public, and I was not going to tolerate it anymore. I told them that as soon as I had the chance, I would go on national TV and expose what they had been doing and agent Turner said "I don't care, I don't listen to that stuff anyway" and so I don't think he really expected me to do that... :end quote

http://courtnetonline.bravehost.com/taragrinstead1.html

[mooloo]

I just went to the link that has this interview on it and read the information there. After reading the Larry Harriet interview, I am not sure whether Larry Gattis gave strange answers or the Larry Harriet guy transcribed them incorrectly. Some of the writing is not clear at all...to the point that I read and in some places said.."What??" and had to reread.

I tried to edit my original post, but my email isn't configured correctly and I don't want to fool with it....*g* So I am putting in this post.


Originally posted by mooloo
This quote from Larry Gattis has always sounded very strange. "the fact that Anita had caught us twice" supposedly.....

The wording in that statement is weird, sounds like it was a fact that Anita had caught them and supposedly it was a week before Tara disappeared. Or is it just my nit-picking at sentence structure? Or is it just LG being nervous during the interview/program?

[concernedperson]

Larry Harriet cannot be described as any journalist. The rest of the interview is up for grabs. I just don't know who to believe. I am just going on gut now without a path.

Since, actually, there is no path. So guts to open.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Results


Accusing and asking questions are two different things. I have never accused AG of harming her sister but I have asked questions which set a chain reaction of feathers being ruffled. Why is that?
Where were you on the weekend Tara disappeared? Where was your mother? Where was your dog? Your cat? Your sister? Your brother? How come you didn't go to the grocery store that day? Why did you have left over chocolate milk in your fridge? Where did you get that mud on your tires? And why? Who do you work for? Do they know where you were? Have you had a polygraph? What about your family? Have they had one? Do you come from a dysfunctional family? Are you allergic to wheat? Can you write a timeline of where you were every minute of every day the week before Tara disappeared? When did you last talk to her and what about? On what day of the week were you born? Were your parents married at the time? If not, why not? If so, who was the minister? What is your dog's name? Have you given him a treat today? What time? What size shoes do you wear? Where do you shop for your shoes? Why? Who did you have lunch with yesterday and what did you eat? Why can't you drive faster to get someplace quicker? Why did you answer your phone on the third ring instead of the second? Were you scared? If so, why? If not, why not? Who does your hair? When? Why? How much does it cost? Why don't you like fried eggs? How come your father doesn't talk much? Do you like the color blue? If not, why not?

Now, I ask you, if I may, one more question. Would that type of questioning "ruffle" your feathers just a bit or would you just shrug it off as just another investigative technique? If you answer honestly, maybe you can get an idea of how they must feel being peppered with all the unnecessary and silly questions. Enough already! The family wants to find Tara just as much as anyone else! Give it a rest.

[ahiredpi]

I think that we should get back to dicussing Tara instead of some donation that has been refunded for months. Tara's whereabouts is more important right?:beer:

[concernedperson]

I see things have calmed down after a flurry of late night pontification. I saw Freshwater here early this am and I imagine she was as dizzy from reading as I was. Why ban? These people will self destruct in no time.

Get back to finding Tara and no deflection on others that have nothing to do with Tara's disappearance. Find the real perp. There is one IMO and he/she is flying under the radar while everyone who is from Virginia or somewhere is being put under the microscope.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

Where were you on the weekend Tara disappeared? Where was your mother? Where was your dog? Your cat? Your sister? Your brother? How come you didn't go to the grocery store that day? Why did you have left over chocolate milk in your fridge? Where did you get that mud on your tires? And why? Who do you work for? Do they know where you were? Have you had a polygraph? What about your family? Have they had one? Do you come from a dysfunctional family? Are you allergic to wheat? Can you write a timeline of where you were every minute of every day the week before Tara disappeared? When did you last talk to her and what about? On what day of the week were you born? Were your parents married at the time? If not, why not? If so, who was the minister? What is your dog's name? Have you given him a treat today? What time? What size shoes do you wear? Where do you shop for your shoes? Why? Who did you have lunch with yesterday and what did you eat? Why can't you drive faster to get someplace quicker? Why did you answer your phone on the third ring instead of the second? Were you scared? If so, why? If not, why not? Who does your hair? When? Why? How much does it cost? Why don't you like fried eggs? How come your father doesn't talk much? Do you like the color blue? If not, why not?

Now, I ask you, if I may, one more question. Would that type of questioning "ruffle" your feathers just a bit or would you just shrug it off as just another investigative technique? If you answer honestly, maybe you can get an idea of how they must feel being peppered with all the unnecessary and silly questions. Enough already! The family wants to find Tara just as much as anyone else! Give it a rest.

LOL :patriot: :read:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Results


I liked your post because you prove my point. If any of my sisters were missing I don't care if they asked me what type of underwear I wore...I'm answering ever single question so they can move on and find my sister. I don't understand why my questions to AG are upsetting you? I want to know these questions because we might move forward. In my opinion they are holding out on something, what? I don't know that is why I am asking. You act like LE questioning AG & LG was a crime. They had to. Eliminate the family and friends first. Why are you so upset about that? There is something HINKY here but I can't put my finger on it. I'm still trying to figure it out and not going to stop asking questions until Tara comes home. So, you do what you think is right and I will most certainly do what I think is right. JMHO
Finally, you get it. They never minded LE questioning them, because most everyone knows you DO eliminate family first. But they've been there, done that. What's ridiculous is strangers on a discussion forum continuing with it and adding bizarre twists to the questions...LOL. LE has DONE their job of questioning. Do you see either of the Gattis' in jail? Nope, me either. I liked your post because you proved MY point as well. Give it a rest. You'll feel less foolish later on.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Results


You can't have this both ways. You were the one that said their feathers were ruffled because of the questions. Which one is it? You know what I think is foolish is when LG & AG went on national TV and said that LG failed one question on the LDT but wait if that wasn't bad enough he goes on to say that since he went public the GBI has treated him better. Foolish? :lol: No, Results, you don't understand. I meant that anyone's "feathers would be ruffled" to be asked those sorts of questions by TOTAL STRANGERS ON A DISCUSSION BOARD. Not by LE. LE has questioned them....hello? Just curious, why did you think LG's statement about the GBI treating him better was a foolish statement? He's apparently being open and honest so why is that foolish?
:shrug:

[fsbiii]

I think Larry Gattis' perception of the way GBI sees things is a little askew, and the record supports that:

"Frustrated by the scrutiny and what he believed to be heavy-handed treatment by the investigators, Gattis said he underwent a polygraph test — he says he demanded it, law enforcement sources strongly dispute that, which sources have said he passed — and also decided to speak publicly about the treatment he received at the hands of investigators. And his decision to speak out, he said, has tempered the treatment he has received from investigators. "They've been a little nicer," Gattis said, adding that he received a telephone call late last week from the GBI brass informing him that he was no longer in the investigators' cross hairs. Law enforcement sources also dispute that, saying they have ruled no one in or out as a result of the investigation thus far."

Originally posted by HonestInjun
No, Results, you don't understand. I meant that anyone's "feathers would be ruffled" to be asked those sorts of questions by TOTAL STRANGERS ON A DISCUSSION BOARD. Not by LE. LE has questioned them....hello? Just curious, why did you think LG's statement about the GBI treating him better was a foolish statement? He's apparently being open and honest so why is that foolish?
:shrug:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I think Larry Gattis' perception of the way GBI sees things is a little askew, and the record supports that:

"Frustrated by the scrutiny and what he believed to be heavy-handed treatment by the investigators, Gattis said he underwent a polygraph test — he says he demanded it, law enforcement sources strongly dispute that, which sources have said he passed — and also decided to speak publicly about the treatment he received at the hands of investigators. And his decision to speak out, he said, has tempered the treatment he has received from investigators. "They've been a little nicer," Gattis said, adding that he received a telephone call late last week from the GBI brass informing him that he was no longer in the investigators' cross hairs. Law enforcement sources also dispute that, saying they have ruled no one in or out as a result of the investigation thus far."


fsbiii, your post makes no sense at all. We all know that "no one has been ruled out". That's a given until someone is arrested. Taking things out of context doesn't move things along at all. Isn't this the SAME GBI that you and your cheerleading squad have been saying "are still treating this as a missing persons case" and that no crime has been committed. YOU cannot have it both ways either.
:shrug:

[fsbiii]

If I'm not mistaken, Dr. Gattis said he was "out of the crosshairs," and the GBI said otherwise. I'm not sure who your audience is for these word-twisting posts, but no one's buying it anymore. It's a missing persons case, no matter how bad you want it to be a murder mystery to fit the script, IMO.

Originally posted by HonestInjun

fsbiii, your post makes no sense at all. We all know that "no one has been ruled out". That's a given until someone is arrested. Taking things out of context doesn't move things along at all. Isn't this the SAME GBI that you and your cheerleading squad have been saying "are still treating this as a missing persons case" and that no crime has been committed. YOU cannot have it both ways either.
:shrug:

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by fsbiii
If I'm not mistaken, Dr. Gattis said he was "out of the crosshairs," and the GBI said otherwise. I'm not sure who your audience is for these word-twisting posts, but no one's buying it anymore. It's a missing persons case, no matter how bad you want it to be a murder mystery to fit the script, IMO.


Ok, I'll humor you. Let's pretend it's a missing persons case. So what exactly are you accusing Dr. Gattis of again?
:shrug:

[HonestInjun]

You just can't have it both ways fsbiii.
:no:

[fsbiii]

Okay. I give in. You win. It was MH! It was MH! Where do I get the t-shirt and secret handshake instructions? *LOL* I only want it one way, and one way only!

Originally posted by HonestInjun
You just can't have it both ways fsbiii.
:no:

[fsbiii]

I've seen better bait on a blind man's fishing pole, Injun. C'mon.

Originally posted by HonestInjun

Ok, I'll humor you. Let's pretend it's a missing persons case. So what exactly are you accusing Dr. Gattis of again?
:shrug:

[HonestInjun]

So we'll just assume you, fsbiii, are accusing Dr. Gattis of nothing? If so, why not stop the harassment of him? Move on to a more believable scenario.

[fsbiii]

You can assume whatever you want. And for the record, I haven't harrassed anyone. Whatever "scenario" you speak of must be believable to many since it obviously draws fire and venom from the pseudonyms every second it is discussed in any thread.

Originally posted by HonestInjun
So we'll just assume you, fsbiii, are accusing Dr. Gattis of nothing? If so, why not stop the harassment of him? Move on to a more believable scenario.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun

Finally, you get it. They never minded LE questioning them, because most everyone knows you DO eliminate family first. But they've been there, done that. What's ridiculous is strangers on a discussion forum continuing with it and adding bizarre twists to the questions...LOL. LE has DONE their job of questioning. Do you see either of the Gattis' in jail? Nope, me either. I liked your post because you proved MY point as well. Give it a rest. You'll feel less foolish later on.

Finally you get it. Marcus never minded LE questioning him, because most everyone knows you DO eliminate those close to the victim first. But he's been there, done that. What's ridiculous is strangers on a discussion form continuing with it and adding bizarre twists to the questions...LOL. LE has DONE their job of questioning. Do you see Marcus in jail? Nope, me either. I liked your post because you proved what a hypocrite you are. Give it a rest. You'll feel less foolish later on.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Finally you get it. Marcus never minded LE questioning him, because most everyone knows you DO eliminate those close to the victim first. But he's been there, done that. What's ridiculous is strangers on a discussion form continuing with it and adding bizarre twists to the questions...LOL. LE has DONE their job of questioning. Do you see Marcus in jail? Nope, me either. I liked your post because you proved what a hypocrite you are. Give it a rest. You'll feel less foolish later on. I'm flattered that you would quote me, but I don't really believe Marcus did anything. Do you?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun
I'm flattered that you would quote me, but I don't really believe Marcus did anything. Do you?

No, I don't think Marcus did anything.

You replied to one of my posts and said something about Marcus burying Tara's body.

Why do you say you don't think Marcus did anything, but yet say he didn't have time to drive to Hawkinsville to bury her body?

I'm a little confused by your contradictory statements.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


So am I to assume you'll provide your own team of dogs, or do we need to set that up? Did you want law enforcement to assist you as well, or will it be just you alone? Like I said, I'm certain there'd be no problem with this, but you'd need to contact them to set it up. I've looked over the time frame of this crime, and I really don't think Marcus and his friend had time to drive all the way to Hawkinsville to bury Tara, but if you feel the need to search there I'm sure it can be arranged.

Perhaps your friend can bring her 2 lab pups with her to help with the digging. Just let someone know at the website by giving the info I outlined earlier, and this will certainly be arranged for you.

Here it is. I knew that you accused Marcus and a friend of disposing of Tara's body.

Ummm... what's changed your mind in the last week or so to decide Marcus didn't murder Tara?

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Here it is. I knew that you accused Marcus and a friend of disposing of Tara's body.

Ummm... what's changed your mind in the last week or so to decide Marcus didn't murder Tara? Are you saying he did?

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Here it is. I knew that you accused Marcus and a friend of disposing of Tara's body.

Ummm... what's changed your mind in the last week or so to decide Marcus didn't murder Tara? I've read that again and I just don't see it. Where again did I say that? The post you provided clearly says he "didn't". I'm really confused by this sudden turnaround of yours. First, no crime is committed, then all of a sudden you are placing blame for a murder.
:shrug:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun
Are you saying he did?

No. You implied that.

You were the one who brought up Marcus (and his friend) burying Tara's body on the Gattis property; not me.

You implied Marcus was responsible, therefore it was a waste of time to search the Gattis property in Hawkinsville.

Have you got a split personalilty or do you share a community nickname and multiple people use it?

[gacountry]

Today is Aug. 22, 2006 on Oct. 22, 2005 exactly 10 months from today Tara Grinstead was reported missing.

Today should be the day we redicate ourselves to Tara Grinstead. Look back to Oct. 22, 2005, remember the way you felt, that determination you had to find this young woman. It is still needed.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry
Today is Aug. 22, 2006 on Oct. 22, 2005 exactly 10 months from today Tara Grinstead was reported missing.

Today should be the day we redicate ourselves to Tara Grinstead. Look back to Oct. 22, 2005, remember the way you felt, that determination you had to find this young woman. It is still needed.

I thought she was reported missing on the 24th?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I thought she was reported missing on the 24th?

TARA GRINSTEAD
Missing Since: October 22, 2005
Age: 31
Missing From: Ocilla, Georgia
Sex: female
Height: 5 ft., 3 in.
Weight: 110 lbs.
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Brown
Race: Caucasian
Birth Date: November 14, 1974

[gacountry]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
[B]

I thought she was reported missing on the 24th?

[fsbiii]

I, too, thought Tara was reported missing on Monday morning, October 24, 2005. I guess we learn something new every day.

:confused:

[gacountry]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I, too, thought Tara was reported missing on Monday morning, October 24, 2005. I guess we learn something new every day.

:confused:

Sorry to confuse you guys. I have been doing posters this morning to put up . All offical posters on the sites have her info as missing since Oct. 22, 2005, the GBI site even has her missing since Oct. 22, 2005. When you go to "the find tara grisntead" site or the GBI or the family sactioned site you get this.

[Gooch]

Not seen since Oct.22 Reported missing Monday 24th.. No biggie... we can find better things to argue about

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Gooch
Not seen since Oct.22 Reported missing Monday 24th.. No biggie... we can find better things to argue about

I agree, but when I saw that, I was wondering if there was a phone call to the authorities, prior to October 24th, that I was unaware of.

[fsbiii]

gacountry-

I really, really wish you'd get over yourself and STOP posting my damn name at the Baron site every time you get in a huff about something. SHE WAS REPORTED MISSING ON MONDAY, NO BIG DEAL. Reported is a verb. She was not REPORTED missing on 10-22-05. This isn't rocket science.

As for my "egorness" to HELP, why can't you and your friends understand that people HELP in many ways other than what you do and what you consider help? Why does it have to be your way or no way? I'm sick of your holier than thou antics and judgment. You never cease to amaze me. You help how you see fit, I help how I see fit. Why can't you appreciate that and drop the comparisons?

"Well Of course CTV's famous posters BFD and Fsbiii jumped to correct me on the date of Oct. 22, 2005 Let me add that that is the last day anyone we KNOW about saw her and the date that is on the offical posters. The GBI site even has her missing on that day. Wish they were that egor to HELP."

[PNut]

From what I've read, the only way to help, is to show up to search for Tara.