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cbcrime

06-09-2006, 11:11 PM

I am not psychic but I did talk to someone who is. She has never heard of Tara. She said she felt that she was about 32. She felt she was dead - she didn't know why. She said she was very hard to read. She felt she would be found that her body would be bones and wouldn't give many clues. She felt she was East and slightly south of her house. She felt it was a marshy area or short grass a field off a road. That it might have had water at one time. She felt they have already looked in this area.

She sees two young men - hispanic looking. She doesn't know if it was robbery or they were hired. She felt it happened really quickly and that she might have been going to her car. But she said Tara was really hard to read and that she might not be picking it up correctly.

She also said she did not feel like she would have just left. That she had important things - stuff in her life and wouldn't just leave. I did ask if Tara maybe knew something - was afraid - maybe drug related. She said it sounded like it could be but she reallly could not tell. She might have been afraid.

The psychic was really clear that it was hard to read Tara - so she might not have picked up correct details. She did feel that she was gone. I know this is really not like anyone elses dreams or insights. I thought I would just put this out there for what it is worth.

Babes

06-09-2006, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Babes
I remember my old post before regarding my dream about Tara and the word "voy" came out. I tried to follow Esah's little instructions on how to go back to my dreams but i am not getting anything anymore but while trying to read some postings.... could it be the "voy" on my dream is about the "voy" forum where ME posted something?

Ive'd been googling Voy and Tara Grinstead and it looks like one poster there even posted the phone number of Tara Grinstead. The post was deleted but the cached is still available at google:

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The post is originally posted here http://www.voy.com/81301/5935.html

but the cached link is here:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:eyKu_JLu6fwJ:www.voy.com/81301/5935.html+tara+grinstead+voy&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

Babes

06-09-2006, 11:57 PM

There is also one person who did an EVP for Tara and i remembered that that person also posted here before but i dont know where the thread is but here is the link to his EVP:

http://home.columbus.rr.com/lsweb/

Insert from that EVP:
These EVP where collected by using a Sony IC recorder. I would record in a quiet room and sometimes would run water in the sink to add a little background noise. The only editing I did was to amplify and filter out hiss.
These are whispers in the background so you will want to use a headset and listen to each one a few times to hear the words.

It's Freddie This one is real quiet and sounds like a child
Sounds good
Want to say, love you
Sherry
He could know. Not possible. 2 ghosts talking to each other?
Jeffery not sure of this
This Jewel
Possible to meet me
Boy, it's cold
Let me see the children She must be talking to someone else, I don't have any children.
We come soon
Talk to us
Justin
Help me
Justin is here
Larry, you can talk to me
Love you. Lived up there
Talk to me Tara, he is here
Can you help Larry
I've been coming late
Somebody is helping me
I must leave
Hey there Larry. Don't cover me
You're talking to me
You freed me
You'll never get my voice
Ethan here
Made me happy
Come here. Jimmy can hear me
Larry, you can see me
You came, Larry
Larry, it's me
Jimmy can talk to me
I love her
I'm here, Larry
Look, Larry's here, Sara
I'll just go save this
Louis here
You couild leave us here
I love him. What? Two spirits talking
These two are from a session I did on Tara Grinstead.
kill me I got a name on this one, I'll let you decide what name is mentioned
David this is Tara A message for the family or a friend of Tara's?

Some people are good in translating the EVP that was done in Laci Peterson case so maybe you guys can analyze this EVP too.

Babes

06-10-2006, 12:08 AM

Steve Huff's Blog also mentioned a psychic who contacted him about this case. We talked about this long time ago and some said this psychic mentioned that the name of the Rd is similar to the ex-boyfriend which a lot of posters thought it is Harper Rd ( there is a name before Harper and i cant remember it ) but according to some that rd has a new name which is Snapdragon Rd and that is the location of the burnt house.

I also received a message from a psychic.

I am what I’d describe as a reluctant skeptic. That is, I want to believe, and even would like to think I’ve had a couple of moments in my life that I can’t explain outside of psychic phenomena. One or two speculations I wrote out in this blog in the past were prescient enough to make others actually ask me if I was—but at bottom I cannot claim I am and convince myself.

However, with the caveat in mind that I have no idea where this person is, geographically, or if he knows anything about the area around Ocilla, Georgia, what he wrote was interesting. I was able to find a road on the map in Douglas, GA, over 20 miles to the east of Ocilla, the name of which closely matched a road name he came up with, and a type of recreational facility near the road that this person stated would be near the road in question. It was enough to make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up… but even the psychic admitted it is always a good idea to be skeptical—it’s healthy.

The psychic also indicated that enough evidence was left behind that the person or persons who caused Tara to disappear will be linked to her when she is found. He stated, too, that something may have been overlooked when authorities searched Tara’s home earlier this week.

This last did prick my skepticism, but as the psychic stated he charged no one any money for what he did I was polite and tried to be as open-minded as possible. I just felt a little skeptical that as elite a law-enforcement agency as the Georgia Bureau of Investigation would miss much of anything in such an investigation.

http://huffcrimeblog.com/?p=354

Esah

06-10-2006, 02:40 PM

Babes,
Thank you for asking for my input. In all the names that have been discussed on here and other forums, the man I see that took Tara, has not been discussed. None of the common names even get a rise out of me. I never for one minute thought MH had anything to do with this. The only thing I think MH is guilty of is not giving Tara the concern she wanted him to have.

I feel that the man who took Tara is in LE (or military because of the black shiny shoes I saw) and he is not local now, but I feel that he used to be.

His plan to take Tara, was right down to the letter. He even had notes the day he took her, so that he wouldn't forget anything important. He can appear invisible if he wants to. Very highly trained in surveilance. His motives were mainly to have Tara in a place that no one would find her, to make MH look involved and cause him a lot of grief, and to keep Tara from talking about something only she and he knew. (not sure what that was though) He drives a dark truck, and Is married.

I am not comfortable putting his initials on here. He is frightening to me and I would rather put all my energy into finding Tara than talking about him. I would also rather surprise him, than give him any idea that I am thinking about him.

Any way, the bottom line is, "where is Tara" right? That is where my focus stays. I see her in Ambrose, Ga and hope that she is still there and not been moved.

As a footnote: I have had two dreams of Tara being pregnant. The second one was last night!

I hope this helps you Babes, you have stayed with the focus being on Tara and that is the only reason I have replied to this post, because it came from you. So many others have had dramas going on that I simply don't want to be a part of.

Good luck!
Esah

Babes

06-10-2006, 02:49 PM

Thank You Esah

I really appreciate your response. Did you see my post above regarding my dream about "voy"? Could it be pertaining to the "voy forum"? I'd see Tara's phone number is even listed in that forum....

Babes

06-10-2006, 02:53 PM

Esah,
There is one post by dixiegirl on the googled cached here at CTV regarding one weird post at the guestbook of findtara board:

This is the original post placed in the "guestbook" for the family on the "findtara.com" website.

Date: 2/12/2006, 4:13 am, EST
Name: angela
Number: 1,520

I'm sorry to post this here, but I want to be sure someone involved in searching sees it. If you have searched this spot already, fine, but if not, it's worth a try. She is indeed wonderful, judging by how much her students, family, and just folks love her.
Lat 31.668 Long -82.98
Ashton School Road, Wray, GA, about 8 km NNE of Ambrose, GA. Patch of pines across the road from some big fields, in the triangular wooded section between Griffin Road and Newt's Lane.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:3Qyc8l1wqg8J:boards.courttv.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3D665f4e002d456dcdbe8bab0a8c9c6 877%26postid%3D7687013+tara+grinstead+ambrose+geor gia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

concernedperson

06-10-2006, 07:02 PM

I am going to mention this and I haven't given it much credence in the past. I have had at least 2 psychic oriented people ask me about a David associated with the case. I believe I threw it out a while ago or maybe I didn't. In any case, I am not aware of a David.

So just a tidbit of more than likely nothing.

cbcrime

06-10-2006, 08:43 PM

Esah-

It's funny that you says LE or military. The person I spoke to saw a husky man with blonde short hair. She thought he was either military or LE from the way he looked. She said he might have been involved. She did not have a name.

Several people have stated they felt Tara knew something. Does anyone have a feeling or thought on what that might be? Was she aware of some crime? Or what secret did she know?

concernedperson

06-10-2006, 08:53 PM

Does anyone know about a Ben Hill County officer that has been reassigned?

cbcrime

06-10-2006, 09:18 PM

Living out of state I have not heard anything. I went to the Ben Hill Co So website and they did not list officers. Was looking for a David - which is a name that has come up. Thoough can anyone tell me - has meth become a problem in the area? I noticed the website had a poem about meth and a drug unit.

Esah

06-10-2006, 09:27 PM

I'm not sure if that area NE of Ambrose was searched. I remember it because that person was getting a "triangle" in her message too.

My complete insights are all posted on Talk Tara, in a thread entitled "My psychic insights revisited". I really like the way that site is managed. If you would like to read more of what I have received, it is all there.

This site has calmed down considerably, but when I posted this info, it was anything but calm on here.

fsbiii

06-10-2006, 09:31 PM

Keep digging.

You're gonna hit a Ben Hill LE connection.

You're gonna hit a David connection.

You're gonna hit a Tara connection.

cbcrime

06-10-2006, 09:48 PM

fsbiii

Is there any information that you have that you can share?

Matt71 - I really don't have an answer for CP - but from the posts - I do believe the name David was associated with a person - rather than a street/place etc.

cbcrime

06-10-2006, 09:49 PM

Also Eash - thanks for the link to your detailed info.

concernedperson

06-10-2006, 09:54 PM

It is a person. David. Not biblical in nature nor in reference. I can't draw the parameters as my feelings coincide but are not as defined.

concernedperson

06-10-2006, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
Keep digging.

You're gonna hit a Ben Hill LE connection.

You're gonna hit a David connection.

You're gonna hit a Tara connection. Talk to me. PM me here, TalkTara or Websleuths. If you need mypersonal email contact me on any and I will provide.This is extremely importent.

concernedperson

06-10-2006, 10:20 PM

I can get on to TT but I can't retrieve pm's. Remember I was hacked it is better but everything there is slow and I don't have tons of patience. I know someone is trying to pm me. Do it here or websleuths. Then I can go from there

fsbiii

06-10-2006, 10:34 PM

Just what I said, keep digging. I'd rather people find out for themselves than get attacked or dissected over presenting information. I've grown weary of the constant battling. No offense intended to anyone asking tonight. You'll probably sleuth it out by morning!

janis

06-11-2006, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by fsbiii
Just what I said, keep digging. I'd rather people find out for themselves than get attacked or dissected over presenting information. I've grown weary of the constant battling. No offense intended to anyone asking tonight. You'll probably sleuth it out by morning!

fsbiii:

Where's your devil outfit? LOL

Eash, glad you responded to these folks!

Oh yea, whatever happened to Scooby?:D

janis

06-11-2006, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by janis

fsbiii:

Where's your devil outfit? LOL

Eash, glad you responded to these folks!

Oh yea, whatever happened to Scooby?:D

Sorry, that should read Esah, not Eash!!!!!!! I apologize Esah!

Babes

06-11-2006, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by fsbiii
Keep digging.

You're gonna hit a Ben Hill LE connection.

You're gonna hit a David connection.

You're gonna hit a Tara connection.

Ok am trying to dig LOL but can you tell me if i am on a right direction?

I got this... Col John "David" Anderson of Ben Hill County Chief of Operations used to live and work in Ocilla. The Link I got is only a cached from google because it is no longer available in Macon's website.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:lQlauFCQIuAJ:www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/states/georgia/counties/houston_peach/13526263.htm+%22john+david+anderson%22+ben+hill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8

When he was 14, the Ocilla native said his older brother, Steve, became a police officer. Anderson said having "a cop in the house and around the house" really shaped and fueled his dreams. So much so that he joined a volunteer search-and-rescue team. He wasn't old enough yet to go into law enforcement.

"Kids admire firefighters, cops and EMTs (emergency medical technicians). But there was something more to it," Anderson said. "When my brother got into it, it was more of a calling.

"I just don't think you can take just anybody and make them into a cop. You have to have certain qualities inside - a certain moral and ethical foundation that you've got to have inside to make you a good cop. I believe there's more than sitting in a classroom for 10-and-a-half weeks and somebody telling you just how you do your job," Anderson said.

When Anderson was 17, Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock, who had recognized the teenager's interest in law enforcement, allowed him to hang out at the station and get a first-hand look at police operations on a daily basis.

Hancock said he remembers Anderson as a child even before he started spending time at the police department. Hancock and a fellow officer who he rode with on and off were both friends with Anderson's dad, Jim. "I'd see his dad in the yard and stop and talk with him. John David was always one to stick his head in the patrol car and look around. He was always curious about law enforcement."

When he was 18, Anderson got another break. He was hired by the Irwin County Sheriff's Office to fill a part-time slot during the Christmas holiday in 1995. "I expected to work a month as a part-time jailer but I never left."

In April 1997, Hancock, the police chief who had taken Anderson under his wing, hired him as full-time police officer and later promoted him to detective for the city police force, a position he held for five years.

"John David was a real good officer and a real good investigator," Hancock said. "He'd take decisive action based on fact and he was always eager to take on more responsibility. ... I encouraged him early on to develop goals and prepare for future responsibility. He obviously responded."

Anderson's next career move was to assume command of the South Central Drug Task Force. He did that for three years before joining then-newly elected Ben Hill County Sheriff Bobby McLemore as second in command. Anderson continued to serve as the sheriff's chief of operations before accepting in early December the three-year contract as Fort Valley police chief.

Link to the benhill sheriff staff:
http://crime.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=crime&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.benhillcounty.com%2Fsheriff.ht m

Babes

06-11-2006, 12:36 AM

I got this weird feeling that the person above i posted is the person Esah is probably mentioning....:(. This John David used to live in Ocilla and was an old LE cop for 5 years at Ocilla before he got his promotions. Currently he is the chief of operations for Ben Hill County but will be joining another city to be the chief of police. Is this the one you are referring to concernperson?

Babes

06-11-2006, 12:45 AM

More info on John David Anderson:

He began his career in 1995 as a detention officer with the Irwin County Sheriff's Office. While employed with the Ocilla Police Department, Anderson rose from officer to detective, also serving as the neighborhood watch program coordinator and D.A.R.E. officer.

In 2002, he was hired as a senior investigator with the South Central Drug Task Force. He also served as an evidence custodian, marijuana examiner, training officer and clandestine laboratory incident commander.

He graduated with an associate's degree in criminal justice from Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College.

http://www.hr-blog.com/node/4143?PHPSESSID=a6c04771c9d520dbecb0cb40b4d47ca8

Babes

06-11-2006, 01:29 AM

Esah

Hmmm the initials you mentioned at Talktara is JA ... JA for John Anderson?

Babes

06-11-2006, 01:54 AM

According to one Pm i received:

JA=John Anderson used to live in the same street where Tara used to live with her Father and Stepmother before they move to Alabama. And JA is married for 10 years now. I think JA is almost same age as MH . If you google John Anderson Ocilla then you will have the old address of JA.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 01:55 AM

This is getting creepy. Great work Babes

Babes

06-11-2006, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC
This is getting creepy. Great work Babes

I got the chills when the name matched the initial that Esah was giving on her post at TalkTara which is JA. Then come a mysterious name "David' Then this guy has a Ben Hill County Connection and atthe same time used to live on a street where Tara used to live ....Where is this guy that weekend? Did he attended the pageant at Fitzgerald? What is the color of his vehicle? Anyone?

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 02:07 AM

I cannot find anything any more.:confused:

What was that, that Godwin said about some DNA matching LE. I think the story got deleted from CTV Library?

Babes

06-11-2006, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC
I cannot find anything any more.:confused:

What was that, that Godwin said about some DNA matching LE. I think the story got deleted from CTV Library?

He said that the DNA doesnt match MH or HD or men discussed on this case and they said that there is still one man who is in LE also but havent provided any DNA yet. Not the exact wordings on the article but i think this is what that article explained and fort some reasons that article was edited LOL

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 03:21 AM

Is this the same JDA mentioned in this article???

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/14763605.htm

and here??

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/states/georgia/counties/houston_peach/14622902.htm

Babes

06-11-2006, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC
Is this the same JDA mentioned in this article???

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/14763605.htm

and here??

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/states/georgia/counties/houston_peach/14622902.htm

Yes he is the current police chief for New Fort Valley. But in the Ben Hill LE page , his picture is still there as the Chief of Operations. He was assigned as Police Chief for New Fort Valley last January 2006 only.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by Babes

Yes he is the current police chief for New Fort Valley. But in the Ben Hill LE page , his picture is still there as the Chief of Operations. He was assigned as Police Chief for New Fort Valley last January 2006 only.

I checked his old address in Ocilla and saw that he lived near MH's dad. They had to all know each other, I would say. Such a small town.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 03:35 AM

I just had such a sick feeling. You don't think someone would float his info out there for some kind of diversion? Seems like this fellow is moving on up.

simply quiet

06-11-2006, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC
Is this the same JDA mentioned in this article???

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/14763605.htm

and here??

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/states/georgia/counties/houston_peach/14622902.htm

I may be wayyyyy off on this, but a red flag went up for me in the first article here.

Officer DAVID Coleman resigned rather then face desciplinary charges from and auto accident.

It was an accident, he was responding to a call, lights and sirens were on......NO ONE HURT.

Why would he resign? Don't they have a union there that would help fight for this officer?

It seems it wasn't worth resigning over to me anyhow.

Unless there is more to this then what we read.

fsbiii

06-11-2006, 10:54 AM

I knew the overnight shift would work this thing out. :) Nancy, it's not a diversion. He's been on the POI list in many people's minds for quite some time.

BFD - v2.0

06-11-2006, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Babes
According to one Pm i received:

JA=John Anderson used to live in the same street where Tara used to live with her Father and Stepmother before they move to Alabama. And JA is married for 10 years now. I think JA is almost same age as MH . If you google John Anderson Ocilla then you will have the old address of JA.

Good work Babes. Keep digging.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
I knew the overnight shift would work this thing out. :) Nancy, it's not a diversion. He's been on the POI list in many people's minds for quite some time.

So noone looked in a crystal ball and found all this out??
This is not a game, if you know something, spill it. Who are these people who have him as a POI?

fsbiii

06-11-2006, 01:21 PM

Who said it was a game? I just meant that anyone could figure out what I and others figured out about this guy with a little work. His name has been brought up before on other boards and there have been references to him without using his name, too.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 01:34 PM

It seemed like a game to come over to this board and present it as a dream, reading or whatever. That is what I was saying. You know I do not believe in pychics.;)

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 01:37 PM

If you have him on POI list, please tell us why.
Babes is the best, but maybe you could save her some time.
Tell us the connection to Tara.

fsbiii

06-11-2006, 01:50 PM

Oh, I see... sorry for the confusion!

IMO, no game was being played by anyone. The mention of "David" by cp's source wasn't related to Esah's visions at all. Esah's visions of the perpetrator have been consistent from Day 1 and, in my opinion, seem to fit JDA's profile. I can't speak for Esah or cp or anyone else, but I think a lot of info on JDA has fallen into place at one time in the last little while, so it appears like it's all come about at one time. That isn't true. He has been mentioned by people for many months.

Supposedly he and Tara had a relationship, he was/is married, he lived near Tara's dad's house in Ocilla, worked in local LE, worked for Drug Task Force, and now works LE in Ft. Valley, GA. He also owned property in Irwin Co. on one of the "flower" roads that was sold recently.

I have no idea if this is the guy Godwin was talking about in the CrimeLibrary article that got edited. He would have to answer that. Since Godwin seems to be focused only on Harper as the perp, I'm not sure who he was talking about in the article before the edit took place.

I am told that LE has talked to this guy and that he, along with MANY OTHERS, are names in this investigation. We all know there are no "official" POI's according to LE, but the online community POI list includes this guy.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 02:05 PM

Thanks fsbii, you can always be counted on for putting it out there and for the truth as far as you know.

I appreciate it.

For what Godwin believes, I wrote down his last words, when he appeared on CC (I taped it), He said, "We have to get rid of this suspect, so we can move on." Of course, he was talking about MH. And Ag has said that she wishes the GBI would talk to some people that they have not talked to yet. Who ever they are???

Going to play the ponies, catch you all tonight.

:seeya:

BFD - v2.0

06-11-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

So noone looked in a crystal ball and found all this out??
This is not a game, if you know something, spill it. Who are these people who have him as a POI?

I'm one of them. But I hate the term "person of interest". It's a politically correct way of saying "suspect". (That actually exists only to circumvent rights)

I just think some of the circumstances are intriguing.

Babes

06-11-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC
I cannot find anything any more.:confused:

What was that, that Godwin said about some DNA matching LE. I think the story got deleted from CTV Library?

Godwin says, the GBI has not come up with a match, not from Tara's former boyfriend, not from a police captain in a nearby community with whom she enjoyed a close friendship, not from any of the other men in her life, though, he says there is at least one man, also a friend of Tara's with links to law enforcement who has not yet been swabbed.

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=6725&view=getlastpost+Tara's+former+boyfriend,+not+from +a+police+captain+in+a+nearby

Check Post #98

Esah

06-11-2006, 02:43 PM

NancynNc, I am not in the game playing business. My insights are as real to me as watching a movie is to you. I was very nicely asked a question and because Babes asked it, I answered it.

I operate with integrity. If I say something was a vision, dream, or message then you can bet that it was.

I didn't just come up with this man's name either. It is well documented that I saw him in my earliest visions and LE has all of my documentation as well.

Skeptics have a place in this too, you make sure that everyone is backing up what they are saying. My info is backed up on the Talk Tara site, go read it.

cbcrime

06-11-2006, 03:53 PM

Was the property 225 Daisy Rd?

Babes

06-11-2006, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by cbcrime
Was the property 225 Daisy Rd?

That's the property they purchased last August 2005 and sold it this May 2006and now moved to Fort Valley . There is an older property that they used to live that is the same street where Billy Grinstead used to live.

cbcrime

06-11-2006, 04:55 PM

Thanks Babes - wasn't her parent (Billy) and stepmom's address the 176 Hackberry Ln?

Lindsey

06-11-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by cbcrime
Thanks Babes - wasn't her parent (Billy) and stepmom's address the 176 Hackberry Ln?

No, it wasn't. They lived on Henderson St.

fsbiii

06-11-2006, 05:06 PM

No. Her dad and stepmom lived 1-2 doors down from JDA on Henderson St. in town.

I am pretty certain the Hackberry Lane was a phonebook miscue, not related to Tara at all. There are other similar entries in the same book that are obvious misprints. IMO.

Originally posted by cbcrime
Thanks Babes - wasn't her parent (Billy) and stepmom's address the 176 Hackberry Ln?

cbcrime

06-11-2006, 05:10 PM

Thanks for the clarification - appreciate it.

Babes

06-11-2006, 08:57 PM

This is the old JDA's address

504 W Henderson St, Ocilla, GA 31774

Babes

06-11-2006, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet

I may be wayyyyy off on this, but a red flag went up for me in the first article here.

Officer DAVID Coleman resigned rather then face desciplinary charges from and auto accident.

It was an accident, he was responding to a call, lights and sirens were on......NO ONE HURT.

Why would he resign? Don't they have a union there that would help fight for this officer?

It seems it wasn't worth resigning over to me anyhow.

Unless there is more to this then what we read.

Anderson also fired a 26 year old veteran for missing drugs on the evidence room

A longtime police officer responsible for overseeing the Fort Valley police evidence room has been fired after undisclosed quantities of crack cocaine, powder cocaine and marijuana were discovered missing.

Capt. W.K. Richardson, a 26-year veteran of the police department, was fired Friday after declining to accept disciplinary action that would have allowed him to stay on the force until his expected retirement next year, Fort Valley Police Chief John David Anderson said.

Richardson also was given the option of resigning, the chief said

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:glor3Y_l8bUJ:www.iape.org/Headlines/Headlines_2006_02.html+%22john+david+anderson%22+f ired&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

IMO but not sure, Anderson will offer them to resign than be fired.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 10:49 PM

Matt, No kudos for me. Babes done all the work, I just rode her coattail.:D

simply quiet

06-11-2006, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Babes

Anderson also fired a 26 year old veteran for missing drugs on the evidence room

IMO but not sure, Anderson will offer them to resign than be fired.

Hi Babes

The case of the missing drugs seems serious enough to issue the resign or be fired choice.

But the case of the car accident just to me seems that the punishment of resign or be fired is a bit of overkill......:shrug:

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 11:11 PM

I am not sure I buy all this stuff about JA being a POI. He lived in the neighborhood, "rumored" to have been with Tara and in LE.
Is that enough? Why would he want to cause MH some grief, would he kill to do this? Not in my mind.
We have 3 or 4 in LE, don't we? Many rumored to be with Tara.
And then we have the tip come in to search Benhill County, suspicious. Maybe one day we will know for sure.

fsbiii

06-11-2006, 11:17 PM

What does JDA being a POI have to do with causing MH grief? He's in a similar boat as HD if there is an affair with a married man going on. What if JDA helped her to runaway, not necessarily caused her harm? There are never any answers... only more questions. Unfortunately.

IMO, he's on the list, Nancy! Trust me. :)

Wasn't this "Ben Hill" tip the one that was traced to a computer in the Ben Hill County school system? I recall that being stated in a media report, perhaps the Ocilla Star or the Herald-Leader. It specifically said the tip came from a school system IP address.

BFD - v2.0

06-11-2006, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC
I am not sure I buy all this stuff about JA being a POI. He lived in the neighborhood, "rumored" to have been with Tara and in LE.
Is that enough? Why would he want to cause MH some grief, would he kill to do this? Not in my mind.
We have 3 or 4 in LE, don't we? Many rumored to be with Tara.
And then we have the tip come in to search Benhill County, suspicious. Maybe one day we will know for sure.

I'm not getting the connection between Marcus and Anderson. What does any of it have to do with giving Marcus grief?

The only people who have given Marcus grief is Anita and her band of merry followers.

Can you please detail what this has to do with Marcus and why it would cause him grief? I am completely befuddled by that comment.

BFD - v2.0

06-11-2006, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Good thinking Nancy -

I was trying to do the side by side resume stuff for the three of them - Tara, MH, and JA (TARA AND JA are easy, MH well nothing is easy about MH is it?

It seemed IMO while Anderson was moving up MH was not. It seems that Anderson was Ocilla PD Chief's golden boy! MH was not. Did he ever get promoted at all. SF is now a SGT right? Is the only DET. = BARRS? I am not sure when Tara and Anderson are supposed to have had this relationship? He was a newlywed and seemed to be on a fast track in Ocilla. THE GBI would have been supervising him between 2002 and very late 2004 or sometime in 2005 when Ben Hill Sheriff (elected in runoff in August 2004) hired him as his #2 man. That leaves just months in 2005 - was he living out on Daisy at that time, working as the COMMANDER for the South GA. Drug Task Force. Didn't I read that Ocilla PD Chief was also a COMMANDER for one of the Drug Task Forces? I know I linked it but where it is now ??????

Did Chief Billy Hancock take over the helm when Anderson moved over to Ben Hill job?

Not matter how I look at this - what is GLARING to me is IF ANDERSON had any sort of relationship with Tara- then the GBI should have turned the WHOLE SHOOTING MATCH OVER TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY!

For Pete's sake, this is getting ridiculous.

Just MOO. Of course.

:seeya:

:confused:

Huh?

Why should it have been turned over to the FBI when adding one more person to the mix? Do you know if the FBI has been assisting already or not?

Babes

06-11-2006, 11:50 PM

Is JDA ever involved in any searches done for Tara? more specifically at Ben Hill County? Did he attend any searches at all?

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

I'm not getting the connection between Marcus and Anderson. What does any of it have to do with giving Marcus grief?

The only people who have given Marcus grief is Anita and her band of merry followers.

Can you please detail what this has to do with Marcus and why it would cause him grief? I am completely befuddled by that comment.

Wow that caused a commotion...

The word grief was used in Esah's post. I did not make it up.
I was thinking that was supposed to be his motive.

How can you BFD see JA as a POI or suspect, whichever, and not see MH as the same???? You have definitely got more info than I have.

NancynNC

06-11-2006, 11:56 PM

Jumped on me like flies on sugar..:D

Babes

06-12-2006, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Not matter how I look at this - what is GLARING to me is IF ANDERSON had any sort of relationship with Tara- then the GBI should have turned the WHOLE SHOOTING MATCH OVER TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY!

For Pete's sake, this is getting ridiculous.

Just MOO. Of course.

:seeya:

Matt it doesnt mean that Tara and JDA have a relationship too.. It could be that JDA is probably obsessed with Tara... who knows...

BFD - v2.0

06-12-2006, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

Wow that caused a commotion...

The word grief was used in Esah's post. I did not make it up.
I was thinking that was supposed to be his motive.

How can you BFD see JA as a POI or suspect, whichever, and not see MH as the same???? You have definitely got more info than I have.

Oh. My apologies. I don't intend this as mean, but I don't read psychic stuff. So, when a post starts with a vision, a feeling or something like that; I tend to not read it and just skip right over it.

Anderson and Harper are equal in my book. I don't see "anyone" as a POI. (As I stated before, just a politically correct way of saying suspect).

But there are a heck of a lot more intriguing things going on with Anderson than Harper in my opinion. Least of all is the fact it took over 7 months for his name to ever appear on a forum.

NancynNC

06-12-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Oh. My apologies. I don't intend this as mean, but I don't read psychic stuff. So, when a post starts with a vision, a feeling or something like that; I tend to not read it and just skip right over it.

Anderson and Harper are equal in my book. I don't see "anyone" as a POI. (As I stated before, just a politically correct way of saying suspect).

But there are a heck of a lot more intriguing things going on with Anderson than Harper in my opinion. Least of all is the fact it took over 7 months for his name to ever appear on a forum.

We finally agree on something, about psychics. But if some believe, I respect that. I am just not one of them. We are in a psychics thread and maybe we should move over to another if we stay on this subject of JA.

I do not see them as equal, one had a 6 year relationship and one is "rumored" as being involved with Tara. I pray it will not happen, but IMO next month will be a new guy named. LE in another county????

NancynNC

06-12-2006, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by fsbiii
What does JDA being a POI have to do with causing MH grief? He's in a similar boat as HD if there is an affair with a married man going on. What if JDA helped her to runaway, not necessarily caused her harm? There are never any answers... only more questions. Unfortunately.

IMO, he's on the list, Nancy! Trust me. :)

Wasn't this "Ben Hill" tip the one that was traced to a computer in the Ben Hill County school system? I recall that being stated in a media report, perhaps the Ocilla Star or the Herald-Leader. It specifically said the tip came from a school system IP address.

Of course, I trust you fsbiii..;)

I have never heard where the tip came from, I thought we had been discussing that. You sure it was a Ben Hill school IP?

Babes

06-12-2006, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

We finally agree on something, about psychics. But if some believe, I respect that. I am just not one of them. We are in a psychics thread and maybe we should move over to another if we stay on this subject of JA.

I do not see them as equal, one had a 6 year relationship and one is "rumored" as being involved with Tara. I pray it will not happen, but IMO next month will be a new guy named. LE in another county????

I think the reasons behind he's in the scene is his actions during the searches that was done at Ben Hill County. I am wondering if anyone here participated on that search and can give us details on how JA treated possible evidences.

Then considering he just bought a new house last August 2005 at Daisy Rd then why did he apply for another job that is more than 2 hours away from his new house in less than a year ... actually he got the job when January 2006/ so that gives him only couple months. Doesnt make any sense that you buy a new house then after 2-4 months you'll apply a new job that is more than 2 hours away from your new house? ROFL...

Babes

06-12-2006, 12:46 AM

ANITA GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD`S SISTER: Well, the search on Saturday was approximately 300 people were here. And they searched the area that EquuSearch had previously planned on searching.

They got a tip on Saturday night, and it was not in Irwin County. It was in Ben Hill County, Northern Ben Hill County. So they sent all 100 volunteers who returned on Sunday to that area. I know that some articles of clothing were found. I`m not really sure exactly what the tip was. I was not given that information, but it was phoned in to either the sheriff`s...

GRACE: Articles of clothing? What were the articles of clothing?

GATTIS: Yes. I know it`s a couple of t-shirts and a pair of jeans were found.

GRACE: Is there any way to trace them back to Tara? And have the other items have been evaluated yet?

GATTIS: Nancy, you know how this is on waiting for evidence and the family being notified if anything`s been evaluated. We were told a month ago a rush was put on it, we`d have it in a week. We have still not heard anything from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation as to any results of any...

------------

Where are these couple of shirts and jeans that were found? I remember Moochdog also said that there is a bloody shirt that never made it to GBI. Hmmmm

Babes

06-12-2006, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Help me out Nancy - fuzzy mind right now....

JA suuposed married 10 years right? That means he married in 1996, right? According to the article Babes linked, his resume says he was 18 in 1995 when he began his LE career with the Irwin County Sheriff's department- right?

What is 2006 minus 10? Isn't it 1996? That means he married when he was 16?

What did I do wrong?

It says on one article that JA is currently 29 years old now and if he's married for 10 years then he got married when he was 19?

NancynNC

06-12-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Help me out Nancy - fuzzy mind right now....

JA suuposed married 10 years right? That means he married in 1996, right? According to the article Babes linked, his resume says he was 18 in 1995 when he began his LE career with the Irwin County Sheriff's department- right?

What is 2006 minus 10? Isn't it 1996? That means he married when he was 16?

What did I do wrong?

You are the cutest...

If he was 18 in 1995, he would have been 19 in 1996 when he married.

cbcrime

06-12-2006, 08:56 AM

Couple of questions for anyone who knows. The search that was in Ben Hill county - with he clothes found and some questionable actions. What date did that occur.

Also If Tara and JDA had an affair - when was it. Was it right before her disappearance? Was it after she and MH broke up?

Also M71 - I believe earlier several locals clarified that JDA lived on Henderson St. a couple doors down from BG - and that Tara lived with him and CG before she moved to the Park St. Address. The address was 504 W. Henderson St.

Does anyone know if JDA's wife works?

He does seem to be on the fast track. To be in his early 30's and a Police Chief is pretty young. At least in CA. He apparently beat out a sgt from Vero Beach FL. for the chief's position.

I know in CA it can take months to hire a new chief - what about in GA - is the process as cumbersome?

It said in one article - that in Dec they Fort Valley were going to go ahead and interview JDA and the candidate from FL. I'm assuming that there already had been a screening process and it was narrowed down to those two. I quess this is a long and about way of saying - or asking when did he apply and when did the process start? Had the process already started when Tara disappeared? Any help on questions is appreciated.

fsbiii

06-12-2006, 09:10 AM

JDA had just bought the Daisy Rd property in mid-August 2005, so it was strange that he bought this new place in Irwin County and then took a job in Ft. Valley.

cbcrime

06-12-2006, 01:53 PM

From the Macon Telegraph - I've been able to put this timeline together.

6/28/2005 - Council is looking at consolidating Fort Valley Police and Peach County Sheriff

7/21/2005 - Still considering consolidation

8/21/2005 - Decided to re-open the Chief of Police Search

10/22/2005 - Received 37 applications

11/29/2005 - Interviewed 5 candidates

12/01/2005 - Dropped consolidation

12/02/2005 - Hired JDA at age 29 for Chief's position

01/01/2006 - JDA starts new position

If he purchased property in August - it might have happened before the Chief's position was re-opened. Which would explain why the purchase and then quick move. FWIW

Esah

06-12-2006, 02:38 PM

I've been asking about JDA's alibi since Nov and I still haven't heard anything.

Also, I read in the following article that Capt. W.K. R********* was recently fired from Fort Valley PD. He and another man were acting as fill in's while a new chief was hired. They ran things for almost a year. (Feb 05 - Jan 06) Just wondering if there might have been some hard feelings when a new guy comes in and takes over. Richardson was fired for mishandling the evidence room. Which is not good, when drugs disappear from under his watch. Looks like JDA runs a tight ship anyway.

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/local/states/georgia/counties/houston_peach/14218184.htm

Just a thought about things, nothing intended.

lighthousedazy

06-12-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

FSBIII -

What does his wife do?

I was wondering about job requirements down there -

In many communities there are requirements that police, firemen and even teachers have to live where they work- in the same county. Any idea what the LAW is for Peach or Ben Hill?

Next I wondered if his wife's employment allowed him to negotiate a contract that excludes him from any residency clause?

Just wondering... I am not sure about the small towns and countys in Ga., but in Macon/Bibb Ga., firemen and police must live in a 25 mile radius.

cbcrime

06-12-2006, 04:14 PM

According to Babes the property in Ocilla was sold in May 2006 and he moved to Fort Valley. Did he move once in got the position or once the house sold? Just trying to clarify. If he was required to live in the area - his hiring might be contigent on the house selling. Just a thought.

cbcrime

06-12-2006, 05:29 PM

"Our whole profession relies on an officer's ability to rely on their integrity, and rely on integrity perceived for the public. We make rules so you don't have problems like this where officers are dismissed and people harmed," Anderson said. "I'm not the best captain in the world, and I am not the best manager in the world, but I know right from wrong." This is from the article that Esah quoted above.

Interesting because he places a lot of credence on integrity. Like Esah - I wonder what his alibi is.

Esah

06-12-2006, 10:04 PM

JDA started his postion as Chief of Police of Fort Valley on Jan 1st, 2006. He must be renting, because there is no record of a house being bought by him in that area yet.

Cbcrime, I'm waiting on the alibi too! Looks like we're gonna need a super sluether to find that out!

cbcrime

06-12-2006, 10:22 PM

Your right - we're gonna have to have someone slueth that out. I find it intertesting that JDA was in the hiring process when Tara went missing. I don't know if that means anything or not - though I find it and interesting fact.

Babes

06-12-2006, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

FSBIII -

What does his wife do?

His wife's name is Christy

i was googling and happened to pass an adoption site:
http://registry.adoption.com/records/373713.html

That a certain Chrystine Anderson from Georgia has a brother name JDA and i thought This is JDA we are talking about and was shocked when i learned that his wife's name is Christy.

Babes

06-12-2006, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Esah
JDA started his postion as Chief of Police of Fort Valley on Jan 1st, 2006. He must be renting, because there is no record of a house being bought by him in that area yet.

Cbcrime, I'm waiting on the alibi too! Looks like we're gonna need a super sluether to find that out!

Just think about this. He purchased a new home on August 2005 then he submitted his application for a Fort Valley position in 2 months considering Fort Valley is 2 hours away from his new house in Daisy Rd Ocilla.

August 2005 = Purchase a House at 225 Daisy Rd

October 2005 = Applied at Fort Valley

December 2005 = Got hired at Ft Valley

January 1, 2006 = Started at Ft Valley's new job

January 7 and 8 2006= Tara's Search at Ben Hill County ( What the heck is JDA doing here when he is supposed to be working for Ft Valley already? )

May 2006= Sold the Daisy Rd House

In 2 months, after moving to a new house and he's considering of having a job 2 hours away from the new house?

fsbiii

06-12-2006, 11:51 PM

Where are you getting that JDA was there January 7th and 8th?

cbcrime

06-12-2006, 11:56 PM

Also this chief's position is a three year contract. I assume that this is natural. Do most chief's contracts get renewed if they are doing a good job? That is just different from what I am use to. One of the council members when they re-opened the position was concerned about getting a quality person - since they were at that time still considering merging with Peach County. Does anyone know if he was commuting - or if he moved before sellling the house? TIA

Babes

06-13-2006, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by fsbiii
Where are you getting that JDA was there January 7th and 8th?

Someone told me that JDA attended the Ben Hill County Search and according to the crimelibrary article that the search happened on Jan 7 and 8 so i assumed that he was there on any of those dates.

Babes

06-13-2006, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by cbcrime
Your right - we're gonna have to have someone slueth that out. I find it intertesting that JDA was in the hiring process when Tara went missing. I don't know if that means anything or not - though I find it and interesting fact.

I'd like to know what JDA is driving too

Babes

06-13-2006, 01:17 AM

HmM Another old poster who shared his vision before says that he's getting a "john"

here is the cached link by googled posted by MRT2c

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:vSCKseKxsqcJ:boards.courttv.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3D590ad15a8cfa03ba2edc0aa7141d8 b5e%26postid%3D7878713+free+psychic+yahoogroup+%22 tara+grinstead%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

MrT2c
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Registered: Apr 2006
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 3
MightBuseful?!
Just some information I hope could B e useful in the search of this missing woman..
I think she may have been adducted by someone she knew, I feel she went walking after returning home that night, and did not take her dog with her since it was early morning..
from what I can see, she may have been stopped in her walk that morning in someone driving a two door black vehicle, sports like car, but few years older, I believe she was walking on the side of the road, going in a direction that was to the left of her front door that morning,....
THE car in question rode up behind her and she stopped to see who it was, there was a confrontation between the to, some sort of disagreement perhaps, I belive she was wearing a black, blue jacket with an emblem on it that morning,....I'm getting a john, or a josh name, black dark hair, glasses, he took her heading the same direction, she was walking...[B][I][COLOR=indigo]

Then as i posted before another psychic who posted at Yahoogroup on November 13 2005 said

From: sunflower <spiritlight53@...>
Date: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:10 am
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ok... i am seeing an 'admirer' took her... i am also seeing an old barn that is gray and brown... looks as if it is at least 25 years old... and i am seeing a patch of flowers that resemble lilies but yellow and sort of lavender... and a road that has a plant or flower name... she was alive for a while.. i could be just a negative sort of person but i do not feel she is still with us

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freep...72?viscount=100

From: sunflower <spiritlight53@...>
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continue to view this... no one has yet contacted me so this will be the way we talk to the family... i also see a blue taurus or some car that resembles that as being over there at tara's place originally and that it is parked right now about 1 mile from tara's... tara herself is within 10 miles of her home...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freepsychicdetective/message/175?viscount=100

and Esah was also mentioning Daisy Rd on 4/18/2006

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:vSCKseKxsqcJ:boards.courttv.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3D590ad15a8cfa03ba2edc0aa7141d8 b5e%26postid%3D7878713+free+psychic+yahoogroup+%22 tara+grinstead%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

cbcrime

06-13-2006, 08:37 AM

The psychic I know said Tara was off a road that was marshy or had been marshy. That it was East and slightly south. Does anyone know if the area around all the flower names - is any of it marshy or wet in the winter? Sorry that really is a broad question. Don't know how to narrow it down at all.

On the map - Daisy Rd. does not look that far from the Snapdragon pond. In reality how close is it? Maps can be deceptive. TIA

Esah

06-13-2006, 01:45 PM

I have decided to release a message that I got on 2-6-06.

I was asking Spirit (God) about Tara's location and the following is what came through. At one point, JA's spirit came to me. (we don't have to be dead to communicate this way!) How do I know for sure it was JA and Tara? I don't. You will have to make that decsion for yourself, just like I did. It will sound a bit off the wall, but I'm willing to look fruity!! It will also give you an idea of how I do this.

Me: Dear Spirit, why would I see Dolly first, out of all my insights regarding Tara?
(the first vision that ever came to me about Tara, was her dog, Dolly sitting by a stop sign)

Spirit: She is just showing you that she is waiting. That Tara is alive. It's the stop sign by her house. It is also confirmation that you are on the right track. You did not know that Tara had a dog or that it was a german shepherd.

Me: Thank you. Now I want to ask JA something. JA, how many miles is it from your home to where Tara is? You must know the exact mileage by now!

JA: 5.2 miles

Me: Okay, I just went to Google Earth. You are exactly 5.2 miles from Tara's house to your house. You are right. But I wanted to know how far from your house to where Tara is being kept right now. In the Ambrose area or where ever she is at this moment.

JA: Oh, ok, she is next to me. She is 11.89 - 12 miles from my house to her now. (he was right, his house is exactly 11.89 miles to the area I see Tara in, in Ambrose, the extra .11 mile is from one end of the triangle to the other) (Also, in the stmt "she is next to me" I think JA was telling me he was with her at that moment!)

Me: Ok, I've just been looking at all the streets in downtown Ambrose. Is Tara in between Vickers Crossing and Jowers Street, in that quadrant? ....I don't feel a yes..... But she is in the yellow circle right?

JA: Yes

Me: Thank you then if I draw a plus sign of N.S.E. & W over the center of Ambrose, which quadrant would she be in?

JA: NE

Me: So is she near Ambrose Elementary school and near Ashley street, almost due east of the center and just below Vickers Crossing?

At this moment Tara intervened and told me clearly that she is in the "Triangle". Where Orange Street, Vickers Crossing and Ashley Street come to form a triangle.

This is the end of this message, it ended rather abruptly because I was disturbed by someone in my house.

You are probably asking right now "How can she really talk to JA and to Tara?" And why JA would want to tell me anything at all. To tell you the truth, I don't know. All that I do know is that I am amazed at the infinite power of God and the angels that work with us. I learned from another case I worked on that the Higher Self of a person wants what is best.

I believe that this can happen and that's why it does. I have done thousands of readings and I am truly amazed every time. I know that the person I am, cannot possibly know these things, I am just a good listener! God knows everything, so why can't He tell us stuff every now and then? I just think that most people don't listen.
I challenge every thing that comes to me. I make sure it is a truth I am willing to stand up for.

I shared this message because of the exactness of the mileage and the location of Tara. I have not shared the exact location before publicly, but I feel it is time. I am told that it has been searched, but since I see her in a house, someone would need a very good reason to get inside a house. i.e. search warrant. The exact location of the house is debatable and that is where I am right now with all of this. I still need your help and God's help, that's for sure.

Esah

cbcrime

06-13-2006, 02:01 PM

Esah - thank you so much for sharing. I truly believe that we can talk to each other on a whole other level. I've done it before with people I am close to.

I wish I could say that I listened better. I do believe we all can do it - just others are better at it than most. I was better - but I really have let every day life get in the way.

The mileage is truly amazing. I hope that you continue to receive information. Your son too - he sounds adorable.

I know concernedperson is having restless nights because of Tara talking. I just hope that between everyone working on this the answer to where Tara is-can be found. Prayers to all.

concernedperson

06-13-2006, 02:30 PM

Esah,

I did what you said and revisited the dream. I got good descriptions of the building and land around it.

It is a white one story concrete block building. It is old and looks abandoned. It has one window in the rear with cracked panes. No side windows. The front of the building has a door with a concrete step leading to it. A picture/larger window on the left facing the building and smaller one on the far right. The parking lot/drive is gravel. There is a hand crank pump/water pump in the lot to the left of the door.

The building is in an isolated area placed in what appears to be pasture land. The land is wide open until you see trees in the distance behind it. The building is on a two lane road with a slight curve towards the building. There is a clump of trees on the other side of the road. I didn't see any signs. The rear of the lot is overgrown weeds and no shrubs at all.

Maybe an old grocery store..gas station..For some reason I got a feeling of coca cola, almost like there used to be sign that said that but is gone now.

Esah, did you pick up the same thing when you went in?

msmith1

06-13-2006, 03:38 PM

I am fascinated. Please continue....It has been my feeling for a long time that Tara was gone but I'm an optimist and a believer in higher powers than that of my own. Please keep posting.

sumter_sue

06-13-2006, 04:26 PM

Please! someone check this area out!

Esah

06-13-2006, 04:32 PM

Concernedperson, I am so proud of you!!! That is great! This is the first moment I've been able to think about things today. I've had tons of rain and the kids needing entertainment all day!!
I will see what I get and post it as soon as I can.

Now, see if you can get Tara to talk more to you. I really feel she is trying to tell you something important.

I teach class tonight and won't be able to post until the morning, unless I get home early enough.

Msmith1, thank you for posting your support.

Moms4Justice

06-13-2006, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson
Esah,

I did what you said and revisited the dream. I got good descriptions of the building and land around it.

It is a white one story concrete block building. It is old and looks abandoned. It has one window in the rear with cracked panes. No side windows. The front of the building has a door with a concrete step leading to it. A picture/larger window on the left facing the building and smaller one on the far right. The parking lot/drive is gravel. There is a hand crank pump/water pump in the lot to the left of the door.

The building is in an isolated area placed in what appears to be pasture land. The land is wide open until you see trees in the distance behind it. The building is on a two lane road with a slight curve towards the building. There is a clump of trees on the other side of the road. I didn't see any signs. The rear of the lot is overgrown weeds and no shrubs at all.

Maybe an old grocery store..gas station..For some reason I got a feeling of coca cola, almost like there used to be sign that said that but is gone now.

Esah, did you pick up the same thing when you went in?

That is very close(not exactly) to the same vision i had CP. I dont have time to post it all right now but it is somewhere on TT board under the name wiskcal.........!
btw .....i do not post here much at all but i have read a lot of your post and its time to tell you that a lot of your recent post (last month or so) have been my thoughts.......its neat to think about posting a response and then read that someone has already posted it! LOL:cool:

concernedperson

06-14-2006, 02:18 PM

Esah is going to intepret my dream. The info she will post needs to have a foundation on you won't understand what she is trying to say. The description of the building is revisiting the dream after she instructed me.

I had a dream night before last that I was in a large hole "raking" it with a brick. There was a woman (Tara)sitting above me on the edge of the hole. We were speaking and I said to her " This is the way we do things in Georgia". Behind her was a concrete/stucco building with no windows. I didn't see any shrubs , trees or grass in the dream at that time. Tara continued to speak very fast but I didn't understand her fully.

concernedperson

06-14-2006, 09:23 PM

Esah, where are you?

starryeyes

06-15-2006, 12:01 AM

I receive physic and paranormal impressions…my impressions have helped people find items that were lost for many years as well as in the recent past, helped others to prepare for the future, and other things. These impressions that I receive are strong, and will not "go away" until I pass them on to help people. The more I resist passing off the information, the stronger the visual/physical feelings impressions become and overwhelm me.

I agree with others' postings that the perp drives a dark vehicle; he planned this abduction carefully and for a long time.

In Tara’s case, I receive the impression that Tara and her abductor knew each other. The abductor is quite fit, strong, a large and powerful person. Tara would not have the strength to successfully struggle against her abductor.

My feeling is either Tara was knocked unconcious and carried from out of her home; or that she could have been strangled in the home and taken out. I get a strong impression that the perp ran into a metal windshime on a porch...he may have touched it to brush it out of his way as he exited the property.

I receive a strong impression of an old shed, garage or small barn building with a steeply-pitched roof on a small hill. It is an old weathered building, greys and browns from exposure to the sun and looks like it might collapse. Lots of trees are around this building. The building is not far from a dirt road and a small lake/pond. I feel that Tara is in that building or on that property.

I also get an impression of the possibility that Tara could be in N. Forsyth county, as there are lots of woods and lakes there, farm country. Lake Lanier has had many bodies disappear in it, as the lake is man-made and the trees on the former property were never removed prior to the lake creation. Bodies get trapped there frequently.

just my 2 cents worth. Perhaps my impressions can help to find Tara or help investigation to find her.

starryeyes

06-15-2006, 12:07 AM

starryeyes

06-15-2006, 12:10 AM

Esah

06-15-2006, 12:52 PM

Concernedperson, sorry it took so long to get back in here.

My very first impression when I went into your dream was a sick feeling. That this large hole is being prepared for Tara, as a grave.

The bldg seems abandoned and has a business feel about it, rather than a house. The bldg is not new, the clay dirt around it is new though. It has just been freshly placed there. No grass has had time to grow yet. It has a low pitch roof, that is grey.

(Just to add, this looks like the plain old church I saw in a dream a few weeks back. Tara was showing me a well with a pump and they were on a small mound, about 2 ft high. Tara told me they were elevated because the land floods so easily when it rains. She didn't say a word to me, only lead me by the hand around the back of the church to show me this well)

You are in the hole 'raking for clues'. Tara is talking incesantly about anything she feels you will listen to. Like she is rambling on and on about nothing. I asked Tara to please speak clearly and I hear "you won't find me in there", meaning the hole.

Even though this appears to be a grave, there is only one.
The feeling I have of Tara sitting up on the ledge, looking down into the whole is that she hasn't passed yet, but it seems like she is trying to tell CP this. The purpose of the dream.

In one direction, I see the bldg, but as I pan around, I see only the trunks of a few very tall trees.

Then I asked Tara to talk to me again. She said "Concerned- person is clairaudient (meaning she can hear spirit) words are important to her. I am not dead. I am not happy either. This Was Not My Choice. I want that clear. I really did it this time. I wanted someone to love me and protect me. I put the call out there to the Universe and the wrong person answered it. He really feels he has helped me, but now he is afraid of me. He realizes that he cant undo what he has done. He covered his tracks well. Concernedperson can hear me. She thinks she has a vivid imagination, well she does, but she also hears all of her relatives who are in spirit and many of the thoughts of those around her."

That is the end of what I got about the dream.

The bottom line with this dream, in my opinion is that there isn't much time before this whole is used for its intended purpose. If anyone has any idea where this small, dingy white church, with red clay dirt freshly layed, may be. Please post it here or call someone that can check it out.

There is also another intuitive person who has seen this same type of bldg. I don't know where it is though. It may have nothing to do with Ambrose and that is okay. Lets just see if we can make some sense of this.

Concernedperson, the next step might be to try going back into the dream again and this time view it from a birds eye view or try to find a street sign. I know this can be taxing, so wait until you feel peaceful. You have done great already.

Esah

p.s. As you know, I have felt Tara was alive all this time. Not just because I want her to be, but because in every single vision I have seen her alive. If Concernedperson's dream is literal and not symbolic, then finding Tara feels critical. Is Tara forseeing her own future or trying to prevent it? I don't know.

concernedperson

06-15-2006, 02:27 PM

Esah, I went back in. It was taxing as hell..you were right about that. I will need your help interpreting some of it.

I panned from a bird's eye view and wanted to see the sun so I could figure out direction but I couldn't. In the direction of the tree lined area but beyond it is a pond. Past the building in the other direction (maybe a mile or 2) is a barn w/ split rail fence. This barn doesn't look like barns from up north but is a low pitched roof sort of like a chicken farm building. No signs on the road.

Two odd things popped up....a sign that said Centerville. The Centerville sign was all that was there and a tarot card for the Page of Wands It was also in a solo reference.

lighthousedazy

06-15-2006, 03:40 PM

FWIW. Centerville is a small little town west of Warner Robins, GA, and halfway between Macon and Perry, GA.

concernedperson

06-15-2006, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by lighthousedazy
FWIW. Centerville is a small little town west of Warner Robins, GA, and halfway between Macon and Perry, GA.

Thank you for the info. Do you know of any industries related to chicken farms or quarry/rock operations in the area?

Atok

06-15-2006, 04:35 PM

Tarot signifigance (MOO)

The Page of Wands in solo representation symbolizes an internal creative spark that send the individual in a new direction.

The Page is a youthful messenger. It appears when you are tapping into a free spirit vision or thirst for adventure. He is a representation of sudden passion to an idea, not usually passion to a person unless he is paired. (You said yours was solo)

He is particularly associated with High ethics, as he is a wand card. He is supposed to help you see that your fears are only inside you and you do not need to fear them anymore.

Seeing this card in a vision is a note to self that you must carry on, listening to the voices in your sub concious and visionary states...despite the lonely voice you may be or if you feel all alone in the pursuit.

His presence may be for you CP: that this exploring of your dreams and visions is a new calling that you are embarking on and will be a great new adventure in living.

FWIW...If you buy into astrology as well, the Page card is aligned with Saggitarius.

If you would like any further clarifications pertaining to Tarot feel free to PM me.

lighthousedazy

06-15-2006, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson

Thank you for the info. Do you know of any industries related to chicken farms or quarry/rock operations in the area? I'm not familiar with any chicken farms in that particular area, but I'm sure there are probably some not to far. The area does get pretty rural in spite of the new housing construction in that vicinity of Houston County. There are 2 rock quarrys northeast of Macon in Jones County, but, I cant locate the name of them or recall right now.

concernedperson

06-15-2006, 05:09 PM

Thank you both for the help. I believe the quarries in Macon are Florida Rock Industries.I am more interested in anything to do with granite....distributors, street names etc. in south Georgia.Granite quarries in Georgia are located in Elberton (n. Georgia) so no need to search that any further.

Esah

06-15-2006, 05:44 PM

First of all, Atok, that was a great interpretation of that card. You consistently amaze me with your knowledge of so many things!

Concernedperson, I don't think I need to interpret this because I think you are seeing a real location. And there is that Warner Robbins reference again. There has to be a clue or two there, for sure!

Does anyone know this area (Centerville) well enough to place all of these landmarks?

I think you're really on to something Concernedperson. Could you please go to sleep and see what else comes through??? lol

concernedperson

06-15-2006, 06:14 PM

One more thing if anyone is from that area, pecan tree groves. Older ones that are at least 30-50 feet high. In a cluster and maybe a roadway interrupted the whole grove. At least I think it is pecan trees not weeping willows or white birchs. The tree lined rear is scrub pine, water oaks, maple and some other junk.The roadway trees are importent. Thanks for the help!

msmith1

06-16-2006, 08:56 AM

I'm anxiously awaiting this mornings recap of cp's sleeptime. My thoughts last night were that you slept well with full knowledge and awareness
Good Morning to all:seeya:

hear16

06-19-2006, 01:14 PM

Okay, I am very rarely on here but haven't heard much about Tara in the news so decided to read some of the forums and get up to date :) My family lives in Hawksinville, GA...thats how I heard about Tara. I lived there for about 3 months dont really know anybody. My family hasn't been there long.

I worked in Perry, Ga when I lived in Hville and maybe this can help some of you who aren't in the area. There is a road from Hawksinville to Centerville (goes thru perry) People in Hville call it the Perry Hwy. Thats the way I'd travel to/from work. There are huge pecan orchards all along the perry hwy. There is a rock company off that road in BFE called Cemex. There is also a Purdue chicken plant...I dont think its a chicken farm, but just a plant. I think they supply all of Chick-fil-a's chicken from what I've heard. Cemex and Purdue are about 5-8 miles from each other.

You guys are so good at piecing things together I thought this info would help since i've often traveled that road.

hear16

06-19-2006, 01:32 PM

Sorry for another post. The name of the road is hwy 341S and Cemex is in a town called Clinchfield, GA which is b/t Hville and Perry. You take a right off of 341 to get to Purdue Farms.

Here are the addresses if somebody wants to mapquest or google earth:

250 Ga Highway 247 Spur, Perry, GA (purdue
2720 Highway 341 S, Clinchfield, GA (cemex

InOcillaGA

06-19-2006, 02:24 PM

It took a little but there is a place where they have huge pits and even a overhead conveyor going over the road in Clinchfield southeast of Perry. The company is Medusa Cement Company. Also has Norfolk Southern train going through this location.

Originally posted by concernedperson

Thank you for the info. Do you know of any industries related to chicken farms or quarry/rock operations in the area?

Esah

06-19-2006, 06:45 PM

Hear16, thank you for the info, that really helped me to visualize the area better, since I am not in Ga. This is good confirmation for Concernedperson's dream.

Bye the way, how are your dreams lately CP? I am curious to see what comes to you next.

cbcrime

06-19-2006, 06:54 PM

Esah - I have a question about your dream/vision of 2/6 - you are given very detailed mileage- is this from Tara's to the Daisy Rd address? By then JDA was in Ft. Valley - could this mileage pertain to this area? Though I don't know where he was at actually living at this time. Or are you sure it was the Irwin Co area?

concernedperson

06-19-2006, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by InOcillaGA
It took a little but there is a place where they have huge pits and even a overhead conveyor going over the road in Clinchfield southeast of Perry. The company is Medusa Cement Company. Also has Norfolk Southern train going through this location.

Thanks for the info...I am very famiiar with Medusa Cement and other cement manufacturors. The thing about cement vs. concrete is the fine nature of portland cement . It takes aggregates like rock and sand to form concrete. When I was working for a cement mfg. a long time ago we lost an employee who fell into a silo of cement and smothered.

I am also familiar with quarries. After taking the raw product many reclaim the pits by making ponds and such.

This area is very interesting to me because of all these possibilities.

concernedperson

06-19-2006, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by hear16
Okay, I am very rarely on here but haven't heard much about Tara in the news so decided to read some of the forums and get up to date :) My family lives in Hawksinville, GA...thats how I heard about Tara. I lived there for about 3 months dont really know anybody. My family hasn't been there long.

I worked in Perry, Ga when I lived in Hville and maybe this can help some of you who aren't in the area. There is a road from Hawksinville to Centerville (goes thru perry) People in Hville call it the Perry Hwy. Thats the way I'd travel to/from work. There are huge pecan orchards all along the perry hwy. There is a rock company off that road in BFE called Cemex. There is also a Purdue chicken plant...I dont think its a chicken farm, but just a plant. I think they supply all of Chick-fil-a's chicken from what I've heard. Cemex and Purdue are about 5-8 miles from each other.

You guys are so good at piecing things together I thought this info would help since i've often traveled that road.

Thank you so much for yor input. Your info really fits a lot with what I visualize about the area. The Purdue plant is a very interesting tidbit...they may supply to all outlets but the chickens come from somewhere.

Please continue to post as all info is helpful.

concernedperson

06-19-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Esah
Hear16, thank you for the info, that really helped me to visualize the area better, since I am not in Ga. This is good confirmation for Concernedperson's dream.

Bye the way, how are your dreams lately CP? I am curious to see what comes to you next.

Woke up all through the night last night with dreams. But was concentrating on getting back to sleep....Monday's are my long days. I am on a 6 day a week work schedule and I need sleep for the impetus to tackle this.

Mid-week will be a little easier and I hope to concentrate more. I am sure someone is trying to get in but my exhaustion level keeps them at bay.

Esah

06-19-2006, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by cbcrime
Esah - I have a question about your dream/vision of 2/6 - you are given very detailed mileage- is this from Tara's to the Daisy Rd address? By then JDA was in Ft. Valley - could this mileage pertain to this area? Though I don't know where he was at actually living at this time. Or are you sure it was the Irwin Co area?

Yes, the 5.2 miles is from Tara's house to the Daisy Road address and the 12.89 miles is from the Daisy Road address to where I feel she is in Ambrose.

But you bring up a very good point about him possibly not living there at that time. I'm thinking that since he is still very new on the job that he would still refer to this address as his home. If I knew his new address I could also apply these mileage counts to that, just to be sure. I have been shown the city of Ambrose so many times though, and I would have to have a lot of other connections to a new area in order to think she would be somewhere else. But I remain open to any and all possibilites!

Thanks for the question.
Esah

cbcrime

06-19-2006, 09:35 PM

Esah - thanks - I think that the Daisy address would feel like home. I just wish that it could all be put together and that there was an answer. Do you think that you and CP are seeing the same area? Or do you think they are different?

Babes

06-19-2006, 11:57 PM

cbcrime

06-20-2006, 08:38 AM

Babes - do you know if JDA moved in Jan/06 or did he continue to live in Irwin CO and move later? Because he already was working two hours away in Feb - I was wondering when he actually moved? Also both Esah and Concernedperson seem to have some similiarities to parts of their visions. (maybe a few more people) I was wondering what is the same and what is different. Because it seems some of the building(s) might be the same - but the area is different.

NancynNC

06-21-2006, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Babes
This is the old JDA's address

504 W Henderson St, Ocilla, GA 31774

Seems like many people lived on Henderson that are involved in this case. Are there some posters here that lived on Henderson
Street growing up? Maybe they can share.

gilligan

06-21-2006, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

Seems like many people lived on Henderson that are involved in this case. Are there some posters here that lived on Henderson
Street growing up? Maybe they can share.

Ocilla is very small town...maybe it is one of the only streets in Ocilla?

:D

kebo

06-21-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by gilligan

Ocilla is very small town...maybe it is one of the only streets in Ocilla?

:D

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=&csz=Ocilla%2C+GA&.intl=us&name=&lat=&lon=&srchtype=a&qty=&new=1&trf=0&getmap=Get+Map

gilligan

06-21-2006, 04:24 PM

Looking at map, I don't even see Henderson Street on it...there is a 4th street on map....Where the heck is Henderson Street???

kebo

06-21-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by gilligan
Looking at map, I don't even see Henderson Street on it...there is a 4th street on map....Where the heck is Henderson Street???

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=Henderson+St&csz=Ocilla%2C+GA&.intl=us&name=&lat=&lon=&srchtype=a&qty=&new=1&trf=0&getmap=Get+Map

kebo

06-21-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by gilligan
Looking at map, I don't even see Henderson Street on it...there is a 4th street on map....Where the heck is Henderson Street???

if that takes you to the same place, make it zoom in closer & look south.............it is one block south of 1st street

gilligan

06-21-2006, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by kebo

if that takes you to the same place, make it zoom in closer & look south.............it is one block south of 1st street

OK...I see now...

BUT there aren't many streets, are there?

OH... The joys of small town living...everyone knows everyone's business and gets in it as well...

Saunterer

06-21-2006, 05:40 PM

The Admin. at TCBC says Tara's episode on "Haunting Evidence" will air on July 19.

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/showthread.php?t=518

concernedperson

06-24-2006, 10:01 PM

Esah, I know I have fallen off the job. I am just so tired. Nothing comes except odd things from my past. An old boyfriend who shows up in what seems to be pews. Trust me our relationship was never about church. I can't even interpret. Yes he was a big love but not someone who has been in my life for 20 years. The rest of the time I am riding around in cars with others that I am not sure who they are. Need to sleep more.

janis

06-25-2006, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by concernedperson
Esah, I know I have fallen off the job. I am just so tired. Nothing comes except odd things from my past. An old boyfriend who shows up in what seems to be pews. Trust me our relationship was never about church. I can't even interpret. Yes he was a big love but not someone who has been in my life for 20 years. The rest of the time I am riding around in cars with others that I am not sure who they are. Need to sleep more.

CP, hang in there. Get some rest. I would give anything to have your abilities. Every night, I pray God will send me something in a dream. I have yet to dream about where Tara is or what happened to her. So, please....calm down, rest, and hang tight.
We need you!!

janis

06-25-2006, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by concernedperson

Thank you so much for yor input. Your info really fits a lot with what I visualize about the area. The Purdue plant is a very interesting tidbit...they may supply to all outlets but the chickens come from somewhere.

Please continue to post as all info is helpful.

CP, Perdue is a processing plant, currently upgrading to a cooking plant. We have ten poultry houses, there are 6 other houses approximately behind us. Twelve other new houses are currently being built. I can assure you, of the sixteen currently in operation, there is nothing on our properties. We have searched land and incinerators. Hope this helps. These farms are in Pulaski and Dodge Counties. We are south of the Perdue plant. I can't answer for north of the plant. Wish I could. Carry on!!

Esah

06-25-2006, 04:35 PM

I've been thinking about all of the information that has been presented, both psychically and otherwise, since Tara went missing. Hundreds of pages of posts, loaded with theories, speculation and psychic insights, have been shared. At this point, many of us are dazed and confused with it all.

We want to narrow down what could have happened to Tara, and yet that seems harder every day. But if Tara is alive and has been in a few different places, since October 22nd, then it would account for the many different types of visions and details that a lot of us are getting. Are you with me here?

Rather than limiting ourselves into thinking only one circumstance could be right, maybe all of them, or at least most of them are right.

Someone could also be picking up on what Tara did just before she went missing too!

I just feel like we need to keep an open mind with all of the info that has come to us from so many different sources. I think that any insight, even one small detail, is far better shared than kept inside, just because it doesn't seem to fit with what others have received.

I know that there are some people out there who would share their feelings, but don't have a clue how they would fit in the big picture. But I want to reassure them that there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than is being posted. So, if you have anything that you have received about Tara, please share it. It could make the difference that we need at this point.

Thanks
Esah

Esah

06-25-2006, 05:09 PM

Concernedperson, try not to pressure yourself. You'll keep having dreams about being pressured before you will get to one about Tara.....lol

I know exactly how you feel though, you feel like if God can give us some info, why not all of it. And why not gps coordinates for Tara while He's at it!

***********

Just to be clear about one point that I keep thinking about. Divine timing is not about God "deciding" when everyone has worked hard enough to find Tara, and then saying "here she is!". It is about Tara and her life lessons and what she has come here to experience. We may find Tara, but we cannot shorten her time away for even a second, because we cannot interfere. When she has fullfilled that lesson, then she will be found. If she has already passed, when she is found, we still must realize that the time it took to find her was still part of her life plan.

I get a bit upset when people say "why would God do this to Tara?". God is a loving being and would do nothing to hurt us. I think that we are here to experience all kinds of things and God allows us to learn, just like a doting Father does. The God that I love would never "do" anything to me other than love me like the child of God that I am.

I hope that this was received in the way that I meant it. Not to go against anyone else's beliefs, only to share mine.

Thanks
Esah

concernedperson

06-25-2006, 06:52 PM

Thanks Esah, I do understand.The fact that Tara had lessons to deal with was apparent in my dream The tail end of it....where she was angry and wouldn't talk about where she was anymore but rather a situation or several situations that angered her.

cbcrime

06-25-2006, 08:28 PM

Sometimes I think it is not only Tara's life lesson but ours also. That all who are trying to find tara - you are having visions etc. are a part of that life plan. I hope that is clear.

cbcrime

06-25-2006, 08:38 PM

A question for anyone who has visions. Does reading/talking about theories and other peoples visions influence your dreams/visions?

concernedperson

06-25-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by cbcrime
A question for anyone who has visions. Does reading/talking about theories and other peoples visions influence your dreams/visions?

No,not at all in my case. They are either pure or I never qualify the remainder. I know when it is fuzzy and if I say anything it is with a question mark. You know how good I am at disqualfying and when I am unsure I say so. Sometimes I will say a feeling to trusted people but again that is not qualfying.

I wish this were a science but it isn't.

Trusting sometimes leads your persective/logic to another place but visions come on their own unsolicited. I know this sounds ambiguous but its the best I can do.

cbcrime

06-25-2006, 10:46 PM

Thanks it does make sense to me. I hope you rest up. Remember to take care of yourself also.

SHandCH

06-28-2006, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by Babes

His wife's name is Christy

i was googling and happened to pass an adoption site:
http://registry.adoption.com/records/373713.html

That a certain Chrystine Anderson from Georgia has a brother name JDA and i thought This is JDA we are talking about and was shocked when i learned that his wife's name is Christy.

Not sure if this is his sister or not. Could be. He has only referred to an older brother that was a police officer when he was 14. She doesn't mention any other brothers.

who knows.

longcoolwoman

06-28-2006, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by SHandCH

Not sure if this is his sister or not. Could be. He has only referred to an older brother that was a police officer when he was 14. She doesn't mention any other brothers.

who knows.

It's not his sister.

I am continually amazed at the inaccurate conclusions made on this board from every little snippet of information that is found on Google. JMHO, of course.

Moms4Justice

06-28-2006, 03:00 PM

MakeSomeNoise

06-29-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by longcoolwoman

It's not his sister.

I am continually amazed at the inaccurate conclusions made on this board from every little snippet of information that is found on Google. JMHO, of course.
I am amazed by that as well. If a person is going to do research, at least finish it up and get the info straight before posting it for all to see.

kundalini

06-29-2006, 11:53 AM

I realize this is an odd post for many but bear with me as I explain.
There is a lot of energy on this board. Some good some not so good.
I wish to request that those with good intentions use their energy at a specific time to help Tara come forth.
The universe is made of energy - energy that is able to connect to many realms. Many of you on this board realize the energy is there and have just never attempted to use it before. Some of you "sense" what happened to Tara. It is that kind of energy I wish to unite and with the help of many we can assist Tara in closing this horrible chapter.
Even if you have never participated in any thing like this before or feel it may be "hogwash" - put those feelings aside and loan us your energy. What will it hurt?

At 6 pm this even EST please close your eyes for a brief moment. Take three deep breaths and pull the energy of the earth up through your feet and down from the sky. Let it gather in your heart chakra. You will feel overwhelming warmth and love. You may cry. That is okay - stay focussed. Tell Tara (with your mind) that you are here to help her but she must help us find her. Ask her to please bring forth a clue. If she is in water, to please place her personal item on the shore in plain site and where she knows someone is going to see it. Tell her to direct someone to her clue.
Focus on this message to Tara for about five minutes. With all of us contacting her with the same message she will have the energy needed to provide us with her help.
If she does not wish to be found she will not assist. I have a feeling she does want closure and will appreciate the energy sent her way.

Bless

Moms4Justice

06-29-2006, 12:07 PM

I'll be there........I do believe in energy and charka........i believe it could help with the search for Tara......Thanks for starting this thread.

Esah

06-29-2006, 12:26 PM

Kundalini, this is a good idea. I will gladly participate. With this much focussed energy, all on tara, at this time, surely we will enable the energies to shift and see what we need to see in order to bring Tara home.

Thank you for thinking of this.
Esah

MakeSomeNoise

06-29-2006, 03:19 PM

Very cool idea. Couldn't hurt!

Moms4Justice

06-29-2006, 06:18 PM

I focused for over 15 min........

Did anyone connect with her??
I had a very strong message come through!!

concernedperson

06-29-2006, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Moms4Justice
I focused for over 15 min........

Did anyone connect with her??
I had a very strong message come through!!

Please share if you don't mind.

Moms4Justice

06-29-2006, 06:24 PM

Do it now results.....i think some are still meditating on her.

Moms4Justice

06-29-2006, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson

Please share if you don't mind.

"Someone searching for me is near me now!"

That was the strongest............I dont know if it was searchers or someone else!
I felt a sense of panic...hard for me to explain.
I am going to continue to focus on her.

Moms4Justice

06-29-2006, 06:28 PM

I am very interested in what Esah got..........I know she has connected to her and probably still is.
Esah pls let us know asap

Moms4Justice

06-29-2006, 06:40 PM

I agree results
:rose:

Babes

06-30-2006, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

I am amazed by that as well. If a person is going to do research, at least finish it up and get the info straight before posting it for all to see.

No person who posted something on this board has a responsibility to research more just to feed people.

So tell us what made you think why it isnt possible Tara didnt ask for a ride to anyone she knows? It will not be possible if you know what happen to Tara directly IMO.

Babes

06-30-2006, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by longcoolwoman

It's not his sister.

I am continually amazed at the inaccurate conclusions made on this board from every little snippet of information that is found on Google. JMHO, of course.

IMO Google is more accurate than rumors spread by some "people " on this board.

longcoolwoman

06-30-2006, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Babes

...
No person who posted something on this board has a responsibility to research more just to feed people.
...

You missed the point. Anyone who posts "research" on this board has a responsibility to ensure the accuracy of the information they post AND any conclusions they make from that information. IMO, of course. :rolleyes:

gacountry

06-30-2006, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Babes

No person who posted something on this board has a responsibility to research more just to feed people.

So tell us what made you think why it isnt possible Tara didnt ask for a ride to anyone she knows? It will not be possible if you know what happen to Tara directly IMO.
[snipped]
.No person who posted something on this board has a responsibility to research more just to feed people.

Now that is about the most truthful thing I have seen posted! Because after reading the forums for 8 months we have all been feed a lot of bull. Rumors and flat out lies are much more noteworthy than truth and facts. IMO

Gacountry

MakeSomeNoise

07-02-2006, 04:05 PM

Internet searches often bring out results from personal "blogs", etc. as well. Posting info from these sources just confuses the issue. I agree that no one "owes" it to anyone else to do research for them, but if you plan to post something questionable, at least have the decency to research it FULLY first. JMO.

Babes

07-03-2006, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise
Internet searches often bring out results from personal "blogs", etc. as well. Posting info from these sources just confuses the issue. I agree that no one "owes" it to anyone else to do research for them, but if you plan to post something questionable, at least have the decency to research it FULLY first. JMO.

Yeah just like you confuses us when you say you have a "source" that an arrest is coming soon. That "arrest" is more questionable when the source is "UNKNOWN". When we post informations here on CTV we are seeking other person who could have other info like local citizens to add into it. Like i posted about JDA. I got the idea that he is probably involved based on the topic of this thread - PSYCHIC READINGS AND DREAMS....then i have the nerve to post his informations to gather more informations about him and i got couple of info from some locals who are really concern of finding Tara...i research more about him but i dont have the obligations to post everything i got.

BY the way... at least the bloggers have identities but your source for the arrest doesnt have any as far as i know.

MakeSomeNoise

07-03-2006, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Babes

Yeah just like you confuses us when you say you have a "source" that an arrest is coming soon. That "arrest" is more questionable when the source is "UNKNOWN". When we post informations here on CTV we are seeking other person who could have other info like local citizens to add into it. Like i posted about JDA. I got the idea that he is probably involved based on the topic of this thread - PSYCHIC READINGS AND DREAMS....then i have the nerve to post his informations to gather more informations about him and i got couple of info from some locals who are really concern of finding Tara...i research more about him but i dont have the obligations to post everything i got.

BY the way... at least the bloggers have identities but your source for the arrest doesnt have any as far as i know.
I read your post 3 times and still don't really know what you're trying to say. If I believe an arrest is imminent, then that's my belief. I never said who I thought it was. Also, I don't make a habit of reading "blogs" because they usually aren't accurate regarding real information. You may hear some interesting things that people "SAY", but that doesn't make it accurate. I think you misunderstood my research post.

Babes

07-04-2006, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

I read your post 3 times and still don't really know what you're trying to say. If I believe an arrest is imminent, then that's my belief. I never said who I thought it was. Also, I don't make a habit of reading "blogs" because they usually aren't accurate regarding real information. You may hear some interesting things that people "SAY", but that doesn't make it accurate. I think you misunderstood my research post.

One of your previous post here at CTV said that there will be an arrest soon based on your credible sources. This is not "i believed" statement of yours IMO based on how you stated that information

BFD - v2.0

07-04-2006, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Babes

One of your previous post here at CTV said that there will be an arrest soon based on your credible sources. This is not "i believed" statement of yours IMO based on how you stated that information

Babes, it wasn't just your opinion. It would be the opinion of any halfwit person that could read.

The statement by the noisemaker was very clearly trying to impress upon the masses that he/she had "inside sources" and that there would be an "arrest soon". Had nothing to do with them "hoping" for an arrest.

It was another of their lies to try to hook people and then feed them the never-ending line of BS about how Marcus Harper murdered Tara. (Of course, none of it rooted in facts. Just "secret sources" that are "credible".)

Well, I've been hearing for the last two months about an "imminent arrest" and "big news this upcoming weekend". They just keep hoping one day something actually does happen so they don't keep looking like idiots.

MakeSomeNoise

07-04-2006, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Babes, it wasn't just your opinion. It would be the opinion of any halfwit person that could read.

The statement by the noisemaker was very clearly trying to impress upon the masses that he/she had "inside sources" and that there would be an "arrest soon". Had nothing to do with them "hoping" for an arrest.

It was another of their lies to try to hook people and then feed them the never-ending line of BS about how Marcus Harper murdered Tara. (Of course, none of it rooted in facts. Just "secret sources" that are "credible".)

Well, I've been hearing for the last two months about an "imminent arrest" and "big news this upcoming weekend". They just keep hoping one day something actually does happen so they don't keep looking like idiots.

FYI, I'm not expecting an immediate arrest of Marcus Harper.
;)

singlesix

07-04-2006, 09:13 PM

"It would be the opinion of any halfwit person that could read."

I can read and it was my opinion. Hmmm, does that me a halfwit or a wholewit? Happy Independence Day. After all the fireworks I'm ready for some freedom from noise.

singlesix

BFD - v2.0

07-04-2006, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by singlesix
"It would be the opinion of any halfwit person that could read."

I can read and it was my opinion. Hmmm, does that me a halfwit or a wholewit? Happy Independence Day. After all the fireworks I'm ready for some freedom from noise.

singlesix

LOL

After reading your posts (all the way since Taylor Behl's case) I'd definitely say you were a "wholewit".

:)

rhill

07-05-2006, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by singlesix
"It would be the opinion of any halfwit person that could read."

I can read and it was my opinion. Hmmm, does that me a halfwit or a wholewit? Happy Independence Day. After all the fireworks I'm ready for some freedom from noise.

singlesix

Unintentional double entendre or pure and simple innuendo?

:biggrin:

MakeSomeNoise

07-05-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by rhill

Unintentional double entendre or pure and simple innuendo?

:biggrin:

I think it was pure and simple. But it doesn't bother me. Just seems to be the normal thing to do on this board for some reason. That's why we can't keep a discussion going.

MakeSomeNoise

07-11-2006, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson
Thanks Esah, I do understand.The fact that Tara had lessons to deal with was apparent in my dream The tail end of it....where she was angry and wouldn't talk about where she was anymore but rather a situation or several situations that angered her.

Bumping this one for discussion too, if anyone cares to. It seems the posts are from one extreme to another, yet never fully explained at all. CP are you saying you are psychic? Or not? Dreams? Visions? Alcohol induced hallucinations? What? If you don't drink, then disregard my last guess, but I know that people sometimes type things they don't really mean when they've had some wine with dinner, so no offense intended. I truly want to understand your posts because some of them are so angry, yet others seem genuinely caring.

concernedperson

07-11-2006, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

Bumping this one for discussion too, if anyone cares to. It seems the posts are from one extreme to another, yet never fully explained at all. CP are you saying you are psychic? Or not? Dreams? Visions? Alcohol induced hallucinations? What? If you don't drink, then disregard my last guess, but I know that people sometimes type things they don't really mean when they've had some wine with dinner, so no offense intended. I truly want to understand your posts because some of them are so angry, yet others seem genuinely caring. I think it would be a good idea to put me on ignore Harriet. You choose to incriminate me but accept Carla Baron with no qualification. I have never accepted money or tv shows and never will. I am not about that. I am intuitive that is all. And, I recognize a lot of spots.

MakeSomeNoise

07-12-2006, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by concernedperson
I think it would be a good idea to put me on ignore Harriet. You choose to incriminate me but accept Carla Baron with no qualification. I have never accepted money or tv shows and never will. I am not about that. I am intuitive that is all. And, I recognize a lot of spots.

CP, I am not Larry Harriet or whoever you are referring to. I simply want to understand your black and white posts and understand if you are here for Tara's sake, or just a typical internet poster. There are so many good ideas here, it's a shame to let them fall by the wayside. I don't understand your anger. Channel this for good and you'd be in great shape.

concernedperson

07-12-2006, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

CP, I am not Larry Harriet or whoever you are referring to. I simply want to understand your black and white posts and understand if you are here for Tara's sake, or just a typical internet poster. There are so many good ideas here, it's a shame to let them fall by the wayside. I don't understand your anger. C

hannel this for good and you'd be in great shape.

I absolutely won't qualify your post. I won't play games with you anymore.

MakeSomeNoise

07-12-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson

I absolutely won't qualify your post. I won't play games with you anymore.

Whatever floats your boat.:shrug:

janis

07-13-2006, 11:21 PM

Thank you Admin, I'll be watching......

profilergirl

07-14-2006, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Thanks, FW!

The title of the show gives me hope that there is evidence in this case, and because of that, it might be solved.

I would have been far less hopeful had the show aired under a title containing the words "cold case".

I'll be sure to tune in on Wednesday and to check the time it is to air. I tried to check now, but cannot find it.

"Missing Teacher"

When a popular high school teacher and former beauty queen goes missing, police retrace her steps, but an exhaustive search yields few clues. The investigation goes cold and a team of paranormal investigators are called in to help. With few leads, the team tries a new approach. Will their work begin to uncover even more haunting mysteries from the past?

http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/haunting_evidence/episodes/106.html

profilergirl

07-14-2006, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Thanks Profilegirl!

Am I to understand that Haunting Evidence is part of the Psychic Detectives series, and as such, Haunting Evidence will air on Wednesday at 10PM EDST?

No - HAUNTING EVIDENCE is a separate series all unto itself which follows Psychic Detectives @ 10:30p E/P Wednesdays.

profilergirl

07-14-2006, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Thanks again!

Your link didn't state a time for this program. The only time shown in the lower right cormer was for Psychic Detectives, and that didn't even state that Haunting Evidence follows that show.

CTV should amend that link to either include the airing time, or to at least state that if immediately follows Psychic Detectives.

IMO

I agree, HP. They should make it clear as to air date / time. :seeya:

BFD - v2.0

07-16-2006, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Mannequin
I dont mean to sound dumb but I haven't watched this show yet and want to know what kinds of things they do on the show that help the cases. People are really talking about this episode about Tara and theres a nervous energy all over town about it. If Tara has been killed do they talk about her killer? I don't mean to sound so dumb but I really hadn't watched much shows like this before I heard about this one. So if they identify the killer what then? i wondered if this show and all the stuff going on in town yesterday was connected or not.

http://tv.msn.com/tv/hauntingevidence

Take a look. Episode 2 is available to be watched via the web.

floridasweet5

07-18-2006, 04:22 PM

LET THE PHYSICS HELP POLICE.

HERE IS ANOTHER YOUNG LADY WHO HAS DISSAPPEARED AND I DON'T THINK ITS OF HER OWN FREE WILL. WITHIN THE LAST 2 MONTHS CRIMELIBRARY.COM HAS HAD SOOOOOOOO MANY REPORTING OF GIRLS COMING UP MISSING. IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIDDY SQUAT WHAT YOUR AGE IS.

IT IS SO EASY TO GET SOMEONES INFORMATION, SPECIALLY SINCE SHE WAS A TEACHER.

THE SEXUAL PREDATORS THAT ARE ON SO MANY OF THE SITES, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR CHATTING WITH.

MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO HER FAMILY. :rose:

MICHELLE IN VERO BEACH, FLORIDA

Moms4Justice

07-18-2006, 04:42 PM

Are you talking about Tara Grinstead missing?

This is not a new thing if that's who your talking about. Tara Grinstead has been missing since Oct. 2005.

Your right though it doesn't matter what the age there are too many women, men and definetly children gone missing and too many of them abducted by previously convicted sexual predators!

It's heart wrenching!

:rose: Prayers for all the missing and their families :rose:

Moms4Justice

07-18-2006, 04:45 PM

"Tonight" must be a mistake. Haunting Evidence comes on Wednesdays and Tara's episode is airing July 19 @ 10:30.

luvmy2labpups

07-18-2006, 09:25 PM

So it looks like they didn't take anything she had to say seriously. They apparently don't think too highly of psychics in general. That settles the March visit. Thanks for posting this Freshwater.

Saunterer

07-18-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
So it looks like they didn't take anything she had to say seriously. They apparently don't think too highly of psychics in general. That settles the March visit. Thanks for posting this Freshwater. I read what the GBI's PR guy said, but with all due respect, were you reading the same article that I read?

luvmy2labpups

07-18-2006, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Saunterer
I read what the GBI's PR guy said, but with all due respect, were you reading the same article that I read?

I think so

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0706/1801_tara_grinstead4.html

Court TV Psychic Hunts for Tara Grinstead

By Seamus McGraw

(Continued)

Nothing the psychics have turned up has advanced the investigation into Grinstead's disappearance, which officially remains classified as a missing person's case, said GBI spokesman John Bankhead.

The agency, he said, officially frowns on the use of psychics. "We don't use them," he said. "There's really no evidence that they help at all and there's tons of evidence that their only effect is to waste law enforcement's time."

"They prey on the families' need to try to find something out about their loved one: Bankhead said. "The family feels like, well maybe this will help and they call in these psychics and then the family puts pressure on police to follow up on it."

Perhaps, Bankhead said, the GBI would be less skeptical if the army of psychics who regularly contact them would call us and say, 'this person is at this specific site and go there, you'll find her'...but that's never happened."

"Typically what they'll do is call and say, 'well, the name Fred comes to mind, or the number 5 or water', and after you solve the crime through normal police procedures they come back and...retrofit to make what they had guessed fit what law enforcement found with the help of the public."

"That's historically the case," Bankhead said, 'and anybody who says any different is just a dreamer."

Walrus

07-19-2006, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups

Perhaps, Bankhead said, the GBI would be less skeptical if the army of psychics who regularly contact them would call us and say, 'this person is at this specific site and go there, you'll find her'...but that's never happened."

"Typically what they'll do is call and say, 'well, the name Fred comes to mind, or the number 5 or water', and after you solve the crime through normal police procedures they come back and...retrofit to make what they had guessed fit what law enforcement found with the help of the public."

"That's historically the case," Bankhead said, 'and anybody who says any different is just a dreamer."

Well that sounds pretty ignorant considering how many cases Carla Baron has *helped* solve. And same goes for John Oliver.

Saskatoon

07-19-2006, 08:13 AM

Could you name one case and substantiate Carla's *help*? I'd begin here for a roadmap:

http://www.iigwest.com/carla_report.html

Carla Baron doesn't solve or help solve cases. Never has, never will.

Carla Baron draws attention to misfortune of others and to herself thru her media vehicle. She also charges fans she gathers thru that attention $200 an hour for personal services she provides.

That's what Carla Baron DOES. If you think otherwise, then she's done her job.

Originally posted by Walrus

Well that sounds pretty ignorant considering how many cases Carla Baron has *helped* solve. And same goes for John Oliver.

floridasweet5

07-19-2006, 09:00 AM

TO MOMS4JUSTICE,

YES, THAT IS WHO I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I'M NEW TO THIS MESSAGE BOARD AND JUST READ ABOUT HER YESTERDAY. I MEANT THAT FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING SINCE I JUST READ ABOUT IT YESTERDAY WHEN I POSTED THAT.

THE CHILDREN AND I MEAN CHILDREN WHO THINK THAT THEY ARE ALL GROWN UP AT AGE 13 AND US AS PARENTS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. THEY SEEM TO FORGET THAT WE WERE YOUNG ONCE ALSO.

A MOM, 56 YRS. OLD IN VERO BEACH, FLORIDA

UltraDeluxer

07-19-2006, 09:37 AM

Will Carla Baron face these issues and explain the false premise of her show or continue to "not address" (i.e., avoid explaining) this serious issue and blame the producers?

"In each episode, the team -- who receive no information on
the case other than the victim's name -- use their skills to visualize and describe the details of the crime with amazing accuracy."

========

SERIOUS CONCERNS OVER “HAUNTING EVIDENCE”

According to a post made on June 27, 2006 by Linda (m_SpiritGazer), the administrator for psychic profiler Carla Baron’s personal website and message board forum, “there has been considerable eyebrow-raising in regards to the integrity of the new Court TV series,” Haunting Evidence.

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/showthread.php?t=525

Apparently, the issue revolves around the show’s perhaps-false claim that the team of Baron and her companions know nothing about the victims or the cases when they arrive in town to do their work. Linda posted that Carla “has never commented on this issue one way or the other” and passed the issue to the show’s producers, citing the producers’ “full autonomy” on how the material on the show is presented. Linda also stated that “Carla has never implied that she did not have previous contact with some of these families....” but that upon arriving in town for a show to be filmed, “this is the very first time she has met with any of these individuals or traveled to these crime scene locations.”

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/showthread.php?t=525

In watching last week’s episode on Tara Baker, I was alarmed at the specific details which Carla and John picked up on so vividly, especially after the introduction to the show stated they had never had any contact with the case or the people involved prior to their arrival. Upon further review of things, it seems that may not be the case.

In the upcoming show on Tara Grinstead, it is documented that Carla Baron and the show’s producers were in contact with the sister of Ms. Grinstead on several occasions prior to filming in late March 2006. As early as February 25, 2006, Ms. Grinstead’s sister was posting online that “I have had many conversations with Carla Baron, sometimes several times a day.” Messages are scattered throughout Ms. Baron’s website by Ms. Grinstead’s sister concerning the phone and email communications between herself and her family with Carla Baron and the show’s producers. Carla Baron was also quoted in a local Ocilla, GA newspaper as saying, “A****, Tara’s sister, invited me to help the family in the investigation, and I have had a preliminary evaluation with the family.”

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1910&postcount=1

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/3/prweb363893.htm

Interestingly, on February 12, 2005, Linda, the admin of Carla Baron’s website also posted the following concerning contact with family prior to arrival:

“Carla wanted me to post here that her trip to Georgia to work on the investigation for Tara Grinstead's family may be postponed. She is not really happy with how CBS 48 Hours is trying to keep her from communicating properly with the family prior to any filming...”

http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1888&postcount=3

In light of these serious issues, I believe that Court-TV and Departure Films should provide a very vivid and explanatory disclaimer at the beginning of each episode of Haunting Evidence to explain the true nature of the background work done on each case prior to filming. The introduction to the show, as worded in the Tara Baker episode, is an utter falsehood and misleading tool that creates an illusion that the psychic profiler and the medium somehow “feel” specific things associated with the case at “first impression” when that is obviously not the reason at all. In my opinion as a Court-TV viewer and fan of its programming, these cases should not be mere dramatic vehicles to advance the careers of Carla Baron and others at the price of misleading the public and lying to viewers.

luvmy2labpups

07-19-2006, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Walrus

Well that sounds pretty ignorant considering how many cases Carla Baron has *helped* solve. And same goes for John Oliver. By all means, please pick up the phone and give him a call and share your feelings with him. :shrug:

simply quiet

07-19-2006, 10:36 AM

Ultradeluxer.........WTG

Hard to believe we are finally at the airing of this show that is promised to open our eyes to what really happened to Tara. We have been hearing since March that this will break the case.

Hard to believe one would have to wait 4 months for the TRUTH to come out. And yet no LE department have been able to narrow anything down, but from what we have heard this show is going to lead us right to Tara.

:rose: for Tara

BFD - v2.0

07-19-2006, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Walrus

Well that sounds pretty ignorant considering how many cases Carla Baron has *helped* solve. And same goes for John Oliver.

You call his statement ignorant and then turn around and say Carla Baron has "helped" solve cases?

The ignorant statement is the one about Carla helping solve cases.

floridasweet5

07-19-2006, 01:05 PM

In answer to your question from the person that lives in Okeechobee. I was talking about Tara Grinstead who has been missing since October 2005. I'm new to this message board was answering a message from moms4justice and just put my feeling on the board.

Thanks for the interest though.

floridasweet5

07-19-2006, 01:12 PM

I HOPE EVERYONE WILL WATCH THIS TONIGHT. MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME NEW LEADS TO GO ON.

MY PRAYERS ARE WITH HER FAMILY:rose:

FLORIDASWEET5:rose:

fsbiii

07-19-2006, 04:00 PM

IMO, this show is for entertainment purposes only. People are gathering with ice cream and popcorn, according to Ms. Baron's own messageboard. The premise is that a new "lead" may develop from the publicity, and that is fine by me. But to think anything will be "solved" by this 30-minute, 4-month old, tv production (minus commercials)... is insane. Utterly.

singlesix

07-19-2006, 05:36 PM

I think I'll pass on the 4-month-old ice cream and popcorn.

:no:

Well, what have they been doing for 4 months if not spending their time collecting munchies?

:shrug:

singlesix

Rick Karon

07-19-2006, 10:21 PM

I doubt LE or Dr G. will watch yhis show except for kicks.

BFD - v2.0

07-19-2006, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Rick Karon
I doubt LE or Dr G. will watch yhis show except for kicks.

I agree.

BFD - v2.0

07-20-2006, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

LE said they would search in the area one of the psychics (John, I believe) drew.

I wonder if they did?

Considering that show was taped about 4 months ago... what do you think?

gacountry

07-20-2006, 12:10 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fsbiii
IMO, this show is for entertainment purposes only. People are gathering with ice cream and popcorn, according to Ms. Baron's own messageboard. The premise is that a new "lead" may develop from the publicity, and that is fine by me. But to think anything will be "solved" by this 30-minute, 4-month old, tv production (minus commercials)... is insane. Utterly. [/QUOTE

Sorry, not a kernel of corn nor a single dish of ice-cream, but gather we did.

And where on the CB board did you see this, I missed it.

Gacountry

BFD - v2.0

07-20-2006, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

IIRC, didn't they search a pond a few months ago? But, IIRC, it wasn't by LE, but by the family/friends of Tara.

Did you watch the show tonight, BD?

Hate to say it, but yes. I did watch the show tonight.

BFD - v2.0

07-20-2006, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by guitarstring
As I stated in the sticky thread above, I felt RR very strongly during the show.

I also went back and found some info on polygraphs taken by a few of the male POI's in this case:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Z-uu6vXvriIJ:www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/5.html+Rhett+Roberts&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=27&ie=UTF-8

All of the men cooperated with the probe. At least two of them agreed to submit to polygraph tests. In fact, Harper, who had retained a family friend as his attorney, arranged to have his done by a private polygrapher when his attorney was unable to be present out of a prior commitment on the day the authorities had scheduled his test. They made reference to Harper, D*kes, Roberts and Vickers in this article, saying 2 had agreed to submit to polygraph tests.

So, at this time, does anyone know if RR has submitted to a polygraph? The above paragraph snipped from the CL article says that 2 agreed to submit, so we know that MH took one and we know that AV took one......does this mean that RR and HD did NOT????

Does anyone know if RR has undergone the poly?

As I watched the show, I strongly felt 30 minutes of my life wasted, that I wish I could have gotten back. (But if I wouldn't have watched it, I predict I would have had well over an hour of my life wasted trying to find out what all was said on the show)

So far as Rhett taking a polygraph... I have never heard if he's even been asked to take one.

But Rhett doesn't make sense with their "visions". Tara had seen Rhett right before going over the BBQ. He would have known where she was at; not sitting somewhere brooding and wondering where she was at. (At least, that's my opinon)

Jboils

07-20-2006, 01:41 AM

Does RR have the arm tattoo, and who is RR? :confused: :confused:

NancynNC

07-20-2006, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by fsbiii
IMO, this show is for entertainment purposes only. People are gathering with ice cream and popcorn, according to Ms. Baron's own messageboard. The premise is that a new "lead" may develop from the publicity, and that is fine by me. But to think anything will be "solved" by this 30-minute, 4-month old, tv production (minus commercials)... is insane. Utterly.

:beer:

The R

07-20-2006, 05:30 AM

The following comments are my opinion only:

Haunting Evidence?

The only thing 'haunting' about it was the fact that I actually watched it. Carla must've come here and read our Theories and Speculations thread before going to Ocilla because some of our posters, including myself, speculated that if anything happened to Tara, it was being abducted by someone she knew. Now that was really going out on a psychic limb Carla!! I guess that means that some of us on here are psychic profilers or she and her show is a sham. I vote for the latter.

The only thing I found even remotely interesting was Oliver's sketches and the trip out to the location. I did find it utterly unbelievable that this guy Oliver could immediately receive his spiritual info immediately upon the order lights, camera, action!!!

Did anyone else notice how AG slammed her hand down on the table and exclaimed, "I knew it!!" once Baron stated that Tara was taken and killed by someone she had been involved with?

I truly feel sorry for the people who buy into this crap and are misled.

Good to see that the GBI was in Ocilla recently but their trip there obviously had nothing to do with this 'haunting evidence' tripe.

God bless Tara, her family, and the good folks of Ocilla who have endured through all this. I pray that there will be resolution soon.

R

simply quiet

07-20-2006, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by guitarstring
Sure, he knew where she was, but HE WASN'T WITH HER.
I've wondered if he may have wanted to know what time she got home that night by watching to see? That happens all the time by jealous male friends of women. It also makes sense that if he knocked on her door, she would open it to him, naturally.

What doesn't make sense is if she got home at 11:00, driving there immediately AFTER the BBQ, then why would someone decide to knock on her door at 2AM, if they were lying in wait for her outside her home? Why 2AM, and not 11:00pm, that is IF she went directly home.

She could have gone somewhere else and met someone to talk or something and then, when she arrived home so late/early in the AM, the jealous person wanted to know where the heck she was, which would fit with the 2AM scenario.

But who would feel they had the right to knock on her door at any time and question her? RR, her most recent boyfriend that we know of? HD, her friend in LE from another town? MH, who was seemingly done with their relationship? Who felt that was ok?

Again, I'm not putting much weight into anything until something official comes out, but it's the first time I've ever felt strongly about RR.

They didn't even indicate or hint she went back out after 11:00. More like she took a shower and went to bed. Then the knock on the door at 2:00am. So if someone was in the yard waiting why the knock at 2:00am.

The only big bomb seemed to be that......it was someone very very close to Tara, and that his phone number was in the house. (well gee, that seems to be very revealing huh?)

Sounds like they are leaning to HD....with the mention of the business card.

My biggest gripe is the continuing suggestion that Carla and John know nothing about the case prior to them filming. We have seen all the posts from AG prior to CB filming admitting all the contact and phone calls leading up to this film. That just makes me so mad that they continue to mislead everyone.

:seeya: Have a good day all.

fsbiii

07-20-2006, 08:59 AM

Not that anyone really cares, but since you asked...

"i'm all about that hairdo of miss carla's.in the previews it looked like her hair was cut short or pulled up.it looked evenly highlighted instead of the chunky highlights. my mom stocked up on ben and jerry's ice cream and microwave popcorn so we are ready to roll"
-posted by tessla

"I may have to run out and get some Moose tracks icecream for the snack. After the Dairy Queen comment someone made I have been craving icecream. I wonder what color Carla's hair will be tonight!! And I hope that there is SOME paranormal activity caught by all that equiptment.."
-posted by Shadowgirl

Originally posted by gacountry

Sorry, not a kernel of corn nor a single dish of ice-cream, but gather we did.

And where on the CB board did you see this, I missed it.

Gacountry

Walrus

07-20-2006, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Saskatoon
Could you name one case and substantiate Carla's *help*? I'd begin here for a roadmap:

http://www.iigwest.com/carla_report.html

Carla Baron doesn't solve or help solve cases. Never has, never will.

Carla Baron draws attention to misfortune of others and to herself thru her media vehicle. She also charges fans she gathers thru that attention $200 an hour for personal services she provides.

That's what Carla Baron DOES. If you think otherwise, then she's done her job.

Here is a link to one particular case that Carla Baron helped police solve: Trevor Israel found in cornfield (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/3/prweb112590.htm). She knew HOW and WHERE he died. There are many more cases like this she helped greatly on. She claims she's helped solve 50. As far as your link goes, that doesn't prove anything. That to me looks like some skeptic out to disprove whatever he can about Carla's psychic ability.

fsbiii

07-20-2006, 09:06 AM

Maybe you missed this part?

http://www.iigwest.com/carla_report.html#Israel%20Research

As for the "many more," please elaborate.

There are none.

Originally posted by Walrus

Here is a link to one particular case that Carla Baron helped police solve: Trevor Israel found in cornfield (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/3/prweb112590.htm). She knew HOW and WHERE he died. There are many more cases like this she helped greatly on. She claims she's helped solve 50. As far as your link goes, that doesn't prove anything. That to me looks like some skeptic out to disprove whatever he can about Carla's psychic ability.

luvmy2labpups

07-20-2006, 09:13 AM

http://www.iigwest.com/carla_report.html#Israel%20Research

TREVOR ISRAEL

25 years old at time of death.

LOCATION: Shelbyville, IN

CRIME: Went missing August 12, 2003. A body was found in a cornfield on March 10, 2004, and identified as Trevor Israel on March 29, 2004. He had committed suicide.

FAMILY SPOKESPERSON/CONTACT: Lloyd Israel, father.

INVESTIGATING OFFICER/AGENCY: Detective Dave Tilford, Shelbyville Police.

BARON’S CLAIM: When Trevor Israel went missing, Lloyd Israel got in touch with Carla Baron, who told him that his son had committed suicide. Baron said that the body would be found “up a slight incline in a cornfield, with a wire fence and a telephone pole nearby.”36

IIG'S FINDINGS: Baron's description matches almost all of Indiana, a state that is 36,000 square miles in size. That didn’t stop the Shelbyville News from reporting that Trevor’s body was found “exactly”37 where Baron said. On the ABC Primetime Thursday segment, they also stated the body was “exactly”38 where Baron said.

Another thing that the Shelbyville News and the ABC account have in common is that they make it sound like there was big mystery. However, from the beginning, the police believed that the young man's body lay hidden in the cornfield.

The corn was six feet high during the search that took place on August 13-14, 2003, preventing both humans and hounds from navigating the field. A few months later, the whole area was covered in snow. In an objectively unfair piece of reporting, ABC showed a picture of the cornfield in March after the stalks had been razed and the snow had melted, and they said it was “hard to understand”39 how the police could not find the body.

The truth is that Detective Dave Tilford didn’t even know about Baron’s “vision” until March 18, 204, eight days after he found Trevor’s body. ABC correctly reported this, while the Shelbyville News claims that there was a second search conducted by the police based on Baron’s information.40 This does not fit into the time line given by Det. Tilford, and we do not know the source for the Shelbyville News claim. Baron did not lead investigators to the body, and in fact contributed nothing to the case.

But the story does not end there. The Associated Press reports that Baron “helped lead police to finding the body of a man who had committed suicide in a cornfield in the Midwest.”41 The Portsmouth-Herald42 and the Caledonian-Record43 reported the same thing verbatim. On that same day, the Boston Globe reports that Baron “led investigators directly to victims,”44 without specifying a case, and then on April 16, 2004, they reported, “She has aided numerous police departments in missing persons and homicide cases.”45 On May 20, 2004, the Eagle Tribune reported that “she recently helped find the remains of Trevor Israel, who had been missing for seven months, in a cornfield outside Indianapolis.”46 All of these claims are patently false.

gacountry

07-20-2006, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by fsbiii
Not that anyone really cares, but since you asked...

"i'm all about that hairdo of miss carla's.in the previews it looked like her hair was cut short or pulled up.it looked evenly highlighted instead of the chunky highlights. my mom stocked up on ben and jerry's ice cream and microwave popcorn so we are ready to roll"
-posted by tessla

"I may have to run out and get some Moose tracks icecream for the snack. After the Dairy Queen comment someone made I have been craving icecream. I wonder what color Carla's hair will be tonight!! And I hope that there is SOME paranormal activity

caught by all that equiptment.."
-posted by Shadowgirl

Thank you fsbiii, you always know where all the post and links are! I had not seen either of these, and I thought you were referring to the group of usTara supporters that did indeed did meet together for fellowship, dinner and to watch the show. I am not sure what our current name is on the TT forum but we were Fluffy C-bee with NO popcorn in sight amd not a dish of ice-cream to be found. This is not the first time we have meet together for some rest and relaxation, strong friendships have been formed from our working together in anyway we can to find Tara. And thanks again fsbiii for knowing more about the CB board than I do gosh you really keep up with Carla don't you?

Gacountry

floridasweet5

07-20-2006, 09:26 AM

AFTER READING ALL OF THE POSTINGS ON HERE AND WATCHING THE SHOW LAST NIGHT, I BELIEVE IT WAS HER FORMER (FIRST) BOYFRIEND, NOT THE 20 YR OLD WHO WAS STALKING HER.

CRIME, PASSION AND JEALOUSY, SUCH A SENSELESS KILLING FOR EVERYONE CONCERNED.

I THINK IN EVERYONES MIND, THEY KNEW SHE WAS MURDERED, AFTER SO MUCH TIME WENT BY WITHOUT ANY CLUES TO WHERE SHE WAS, BUT YOU KEEP THE FAITH AND HOPE THAT SHE WILL BE FOUND ALIVE.

MY PRAYERS ARE WITH HER FAMILY.:rose:

FLORIDASWEET5:rose:

fsbiii

07-20-2006, 09:32 AM

I sure do! You know what they say about keeping one eye on your friends and two eyes on your enemy. You never who will be defaming you, trying to run you over with their trucks and/or SUVs, or throwing tubed meats on your lawn if you don't keep both eyes on the road at all times.

Originally posted by gacountry
Thank you fsbiii, you always know where all the post and links are! I had not seen either of these, and I thought you were referring to the group of usTara supporters that did indeed did meet together for fellowship, dinner and to watch the show. I am not sure what our current name is on the TT forum but we were Fluffy C-bee with NO popcorn in sight amd not a dish of ice-cream to be found. This is not the first time we have meet together for some rest and relaxation, strong friendships have been formed from our working together in anyway we can to find Tara. And thanks again fsbiii for knowing more about the CB board than I do gosh you really keep up with Carla don't you?

Gacountry

floridasweet5

07-20-2006, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

:beer:

TO R AND WHOEVER ELSE THAT DOES NOT BELEIVE IN CARLA AND PSYCHICS LIKE HER:

WHY DO YOU SAY THAT THE SHOW OR THE PEOPLE IN IT IS A SCAM?????????? R U, IN ANY WAY, IN LAW INFORCEMENT?????
WHAT EVIDENCE TO YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT????????

PSYCHICS HAVE BEEN USED FOR YEARS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, WORLD TO HELP POLICE, ITS ONLY LATELY THAT MORE AND MORE IS COMING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT THEM.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO SOME HOMEWORK BEFORE PASSING JUDEGMENT.

FLORIDASWEET5

COMMENTS ANYONE:

gacountry

07-20-2006, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by fsbiii
I sure do! You know what they say about keeping one eye on your friends and two eyes on your enemy. You never who will be defaming you, trying to run you over with their trucks and/or SUVs, or throwing tubed meats on your lawn if you don't keep both eyes on the road at all times.

Again thank you fsbiii for showing me the CB post that I had missed entirely, guess I was just to busy getting ready for our get-together to see it. I have no idea what you meant by "tubed meat on a lawn" but that is OK. All this reference to how bad people are has been taken out of context but we all expected that. Whats fair for the goose is fair for the gander is not the rule of thumb on your forum. But You just keep on doing good helping us find post and links and etc. I guess we all help in whatever manner we can,

Gacountry

fsbiii

07-20-2006, 10:16 AM

*YAWN* - Yes, let's all just do what we can and leave each other alone. It works well that way. You can personally put me down with implied meanings in your posts, and I could do the same to you. But it's pointless really. Let's not let the personal attacks and defamation begin again just because "the show" is over. I'm sure all those lawyers are still copying/pasting on both sides of the "Great Divide."

Be well, gacountry. I'll do the same.

Originally posted by gacountry

Again thank you fsbiii for showing me the CB post that I had missed entirely, guess I was just to busy getting ready for our get-together to see it. I have no idea what you meant by "tubed meat on a lawn" but that is OK. All this reference to how bad people are has been taken out of context but we all expected that. Whats fair for the goose is fair for the gander is not the rule of thumb on your forum. But You just keep on doing good helping us find post and links and etc. I guess we all help in whatever manner we can,

Gacountry

The R

07-20-2006, 10:17 AM

Esah

07-20-2006, 10:20 AM

*My comments are about the show and it's shoddy production and not the abilities of the medium, the paranormal expert, or the psychic profiler.

All that I can think to ask is - Where's The Beef?

After watching last nights episode, and having so much knowledge of this case already, I realize that something is lost besides Tara. That being the point to this show.

Perhaps the producers should 'search' for a meaning to this waste of perfectly good film.

I am a very open minded person, but come on, how much junk can you spoon feed the public before they choke on it? These three are being made to look like complete fools.

This show is just a jumbled bunch of information. IMO Haunting Evidence is maing a mockery of the talents of these three people. And let's not forget the famililes involved, who have gotten strung out on hopes one more time.

I try to be positive, so I am positively appalled!

BevAnn

07-20-2006, 10:58 AM

I believe in psychic ability, and I AGREE this show is crap!

Court TV - cancel this one, quick!!!

RBulldogfan

07-20-2006, 11:16 AM

RBulldogfan

07-20-2006, 11:36 AM

Why in the world did Carla keep talking about the killers car, yet they showed a truck? I was also led to believe that the killer was waiting on Tara to get home, but he didn't try to do anything to Tara until around 2am? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Did anyone else notice that?

lighthousedazy

07-20-2006, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by RBulldogfan
Why in the world did Carla keep talking about the killers car, yet they showed a truck? I was also led to believe that the killer was waiting on Tara to get home, but he didn't try to do anything to Tara until around 2am? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Did anyone else notice that? Yes.

RBulldogfan

07-20-2006, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Results
I did not watch the show. I went to CB site to try and get their side of what was what. I kept an open mind and gave them every opportunity to show me why this person was guilty why was it a LE/GBI coverup? Got no answers except by pm's. I have to say some did respond to my post with no information that I was requesting for and accusing me of being in a camp. I still maintained I was here for the truth. I thought this was what we were all searching for, the truth. The board got carried away and I asked the Admin of CB where are you at? How you can allow such filth on a spiritual website? My post was deleted and my membership deleted yet they kept my post up so everyone could answer back with a smart remark and I could not defend myself. This post is my experience and what happend to me of my own eye witness account. The one thing that I have been trying to find out about this tv show is did they show Tara's picture at all? Have we lost the quest to find this young beatiful Teacher named Tara? I ask all of you at CB to look deep inside yourself and ask yourself what is this about? This is not about YOU! It is about Tara! JMO

Yes, they did show Tara's picture on the show. You really didn't miss anything by not watching the show. IMO, they said one thing in the show and turned around and showed another thing.

I just thought of another question for anyone that can answer it, if the killer was waiting on Tara to come home and was getting aggravated every 10 minutes, then why didn't he grab her when she went to feed Dolly in the dark?

fsbiii

07-20-2006, 12:00 PM

I think the only people who can answer these questions would be the people on the show, and they ain't sayin' too much.

Originally posted by RBulldogfan

Yes, they did show Tara's picture on the show. You really didn't miss anything by not watching the show. IMO, they said one thing in the show and turned around and showed another thing.

I just thought of another question for anyone that can answer it, if the killer was waiting on Tara to come home and was getting aggravated every 10 minutes, then why didn't he grab her when she went to feed Dolly in the dark?

RBulldogfan

07-20-2006, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Results
I did not watch the show. I went to CB site to try and get their side of what was what. I kept an open mind and gave them every opportunity to show me why this person was guilty why was it a LE/GBI coverup? Got no answers except by pm's. I have to say some did respond to my post with no information that I was requesting for and accusing me of being in a camp. I still maintained I was here for the truth. I thought this was what we were all searching for, the truth. The board got carried away and I asked the Admin of CB where are you at? How you can allow such filth on a spiritual website? My post was deleted and my membership deleted yet they kept my post up so everyone could answer back with a smart remark and I could not defend myself. This post is my experience and what happend to me of my own eye witness account. The one thing that I have been trying to find out about this tv show is did they show Tara's picture at all? Have we lost the quest to find this young beatiful Teacher named Tara? I ask all of you at CB to look deep inside yourself and ask yourself what is this about? This is not about YOU! It is about Tara! JMO

Oh, I forgot to mention to you that I am sorry you were treated this way on that message board. It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong.

grandline

07-20-2006, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by The R

Dang if it ain't ol' Angelwyngs.......

How you been doin' gyrl?? Trollin' and still typing in all caps I see........ I'll write you later and tell you why I don't believe in so-called psychics taking advantage of poor emotionally vulnerable people. If you read a few posts back you can do some homework too. Just check out the links people have been posting or better yet just read the posts themselves. Then you can pass some judgement too!!!!

All MO....

R

Yup yup.

Gosh I swore I would not post here again but it looks like CB did turn over a stone! The one Amy was hiding under!

I was wondering how long it would be before we were assaulted with the defensive all-caps again.

Time for my flogging now. G'day all.

floridasweet5

07-20-2006, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by The R

Dang if it ain't ol' Angelwyngs.......

How you been doin' gyrl?? Trollin' and still typing in all caps I see........ I'll write you later and tell you why I don't believe in so-called psychics taking advantage of poor emotionally vulnerable people. If you read a few posts back you can do some homework too. Just check out the links people have been posting or better yet just read the posts themselves. Then you can pass some judgement too!!!!

All MO....

R

Well excuse me R.............we don't even know each other, I just joined the board, don't have the foggest idea what ur talking about.

floridasweet5

floridasweet5

07-20-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by RBulldogfan

I watched the show last night and felt it was very fake IMO. I have never even heard of Carla until I saw the advertisements on CTV, so how famous can she be? I also have not found anywhere that says Carla has solved a case. If you have a link the shows otherwise, please post it.

TIA

TIA,

I beleive in prior posts gives links to her. I do not have a link to her or that certain crime.

floridasweet5

07-20-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by grandline

Yup yup.

Gosh I swore I would not post here again but it looks like CB did turn over a stone! The one Amy was hiding under!

I was wondering how long it would be before we were assaulted with the defensive all-caps again.

Time for my flogging now. G'day all.

This is not an assault with defensive on all caps. ITS THE WAY I TYPE DUE TO THE BUSINESS I'M IN.

SORRY IF IT OFFENDS U.

FLORIDASWEET5

SlouthyMom

07-20-2006, 02:57 PM

Sorry but I don't see where this show leads to anything that wasn't already put out there or that LE hadn't already checked on I am sure.

I could give this show more credibility if something was actual SOLVED. At least Psychic Detectives solve something.

I just don't get it if you can see Tara hunched over in her bedroom on the floor and in a stuggle in a vehicle why couldn't they see exactly where she is? I mean that bedroom scene was pretty detailed.

I guess it goes back to this question
Why do a psychic's have to ask you your name?

BFD - v2.0

07-20-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by floridasweet5

TO R AND WHOEVER ELSE THAT DOES NOT BELEIVE IN CARLA AND PSYCHICS LIKE HER:

WHY DO YOU SAY THAT THE SHOW OR THE PEOPLE IN IT IS A SCAM?????????? R U, IN ANY WAY, IN LAW INFORCEMENT?????
WHAT EVIDENCE TO YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT????????

PSYCHICS HAVE BEEN USED FOR YEARS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, WORLD TO HELP POLICE, ITS ONLY LATELY THAT MORE AND MORE IS COMING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT THEM.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO SOME HOMEWORK BEFORE PASSING JUDEGMENT.

FLORIDASWEET5

COMMENTS ANYONE:

It is not up to a person to provide evidence to prove a negative. It would be like asking someone to prove UFO's don't exist.

It is up to the person wanting to prove something to put up the evidence and/or scientific methods to prove their argument.

I have never heard of a single solitary case that has been "solved" by a psychic.

I've seen plenty of psychics go back and twist their own words to try to make their guesswork seem accurate after the fact.

Doesn't it seem strange that psychics can tell what time of day something occurred. They can pinpoint that there is evidence in a vehicle. They can "see" a tattoo. But none of them can figure out a name?

It's called "hunches" and "playing the odds". And the best of them use cold reading. People who proclaim to be psychic are very adept at reading the subtle clues their "victim/client" has given them unknowingly.

This particular show was a farce because Anita Gattis herself has already posted about her numerous amount of contact with Carla Baron prior to this show being taped. So the fake-ass "I sense a performer" crap was well known before they ever stepped out in front of that high school. (But of course the announcer says, "another hit", trying to make the viewer believe that this was just totally out of the blue that "saw" this with a extrasensory sense).

The whole premise of the show is a joke. The three of them just happen to be riding around one day and the computer-orb-magneticfield-temperature-reading guy just casually says, "today's case is a missing woman in Georgia". You'd think it was Charlies Angels or Mission Impossible. (Thank goodness the case came in while all three of them were out together joyriding)

It's a sham, a crock and a few other things I can't say without getting banned.

fsbiii

07-20-2006, 03:16 PM

Your eloquence is never surpassed, BFD. This posting should be the end-all to any discussion on this topic.

It won't be, of course.

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

It is not up to a person to provide evidence to prove a negative. It would be like asking someone to prove UFO's don't exist.

It is up to the person wanting to prove something to put up the evidence and/or scientific methods to prove their argument.

I have never heard of a single solitary case that has been "solved" by a psychic.

I've seen plenty of psychics go back and twist their own words to try to make their guesswork seem accurate after the fact.

Doesn't it seem strange that psychics can tell what time of day something occurred. They can pinpoint that there is evidence in a vehicle. They can "see" a tattoo. But none of them can figure out a name?

It's called "hunches" and "playing the odds". And the best of them use cold reading. People who proclaim to be psychic are very adept at reading the subtle clues their "victim/client" has given them unknowingly.

This particular show was a farce because Anita Gattis herself has already posted about her numerous amount of contact with Carla Baron prior to this show being taped. So the fake-ass "I sense a performer" crap was well known before they ever stepped out in front of that high school. (But of course the announcer says, "another hit", trying to make the viewer believe that this was just totally out of the blue that "saw" this with a extrasensory sense).

The whole premise of the show is a joke. The three of them just happen to be riding around one day and the computer-orb-magneticfield-temperature-reading guy just casually says, "today's case is a missing woman in Georgia". You'd think it was Charlies Angels or Mission Impossible. (Thank goodness the case came in while all three of them were out together joyriding)

It's a sham, a crock and a few other things I can't say without getting banned.

simply quiet

07-20-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by guitarstring
(If she went home, showered, had company over (male friend), etc....then maybe the perp saw friend's vehicle at her house, wanted to know who was there, sat outside and waited till visitor was gone, knocked on the door after "he" left and confronted Tara about who was there with her and why? An argument ensued and it got out of hand?)

What makes you think she would have company at that time of night?

Was she prone to having people over at midnight?

simply quiet

07-20-2006, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by guitarstring
Floridasweets is incorrect.

RR is the son of Tara's landlord.

He is a math teacher and a football coach at Irwin County High School.

Tara was dating RR and he was not her FIRST boyfriend.

If we are going to speak about FIRST boyfriends, I would call MH her first, meaning she dated him for about 6 years and broke up with him BEFORE she ever dated RR.

RR was her most recent boyfriend that we know of.

It was reported here that he was not happy that Tara could not release her emotional bond to MH and was thinking of no longer dating her. (True or not, unsure, but it was stated.)

We have heard virtually NOTHING about RR, except that he was her most recent boyfriend at the time of her disappearance.

His mother stated that they had dated in the past, so they were romantically linked at some point in time, we know. That could have been a play on words because at the time she made that statement, Tara and Rhett's relationship WAS "in the past" technically, meaning Tara was gone, so their relationship was in the past.

We know that Tara had reportedly stopped at RR's home BEFORE she went to the BBQ. We do NOT know why he didn't attend with her. I remember reading that the BBQ included couples that night, but Tara came alone. If RR was her boyfriend, could they have had an arguement before she went there and that caused him NOT to go with her? Was there somebody at the BBQ that he didn't like? Was he invited? Was he angry that she was going and not spending time with him? Did he call her on her cell at all that night?

Floridasweets, I wanted to add that the 20 year old you spoke of was AV. He took a poly and passed. He was cooperative with LE.

Hope this helps you to clear up any confusion.

G string..........I think it is very important to say, this is all your opinion.

I see no where that RR is upset about a break up.

Also....I have seen that Tara was not invited to the BBQ, she just happened to stop by a friend's house and stayed for dinner. So to make it look like she didn't invite him as a date is misleading.....IMO.

simply quiet

07-20-2006, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Results
I just went to live chat and my question did not get answer so I am going to try to see if someone can answer this question. John says that he does not get involved in a case unless LE contacts him. Did Ocilla, GA LE contact John?

Good luck R......I hope you get an answer.

RBulldogfan

07-20-2006, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by SlouthyMom
Sorry but I don't see where this show leads to anything that wasn't already put out there or that LE hadn't already checked on I am sure.

I could give this show more credibility if something was actual SOLVED. At least Psychic Detectives solve something.

I just don't get it if you can see Tara hunched over in her bedroom on the floor and in a stuggle in a vehicle why couldn't they see exactly where she is? I mean that bedroom scene was pretty detailed.

I guess it goes back to this question
Why do a psychic's have to ask you your name?

I agree with your post. That bedroom scene said Tara was in bed and got up to answer her door. Wonder why the bed was made up. Makes no sense to me.

RBulldogfan

07-20-2006, 04:50 PM

Atok

07-20-2006, 05:43 PM

Tara dropped in at that dinner, it was a casual thing, couples were present. She spoke to RR before she ended up there. She took many calls that evening as witnessed by people at that dinner. She left that dinner saying she wanted to head home and view a tape of the pageant and she was tired.

It is the last known physical sighting of Tara.

concernedperson

07-20-2006, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by guitarstring
Good question. Here's your answer.

Tara's mom/sister cleaned up her home, making her bed and cleaing the toilet and such. The neighbors even stood up an overturned lamp on her bedside table when they entered her home before the police were ever called, so we cannot rely on ANYTHING we've seen in any picture as being as it was when she left.

The show even said that Tara's home had been left virtually untouched/in the same condition as it was when Tara disappeared, but IT WAS UNTRUE and very MISLEADING.

I'm glad you caught on to the lie told in the show.

There were several.

IIRC, Tara's bed was UNMADE at the time of her disappearance, but her family tidied up her home and MANY MANY MANY people trampled on things, touched things, rearranged things, etc. so any evidence of exactly HOW Tara left things is in the wind due to all the movement in and around the house.
Yes, and why?