Tara Grinstead and Psychics

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mannequin

If you lived in Irwin County you would see how the county couldn't have been searched twice. If they are talking about taking a quick look from the air or a quick ride by and call that a real search then maybe thats why he said that. But searched good and all through? no way. no way at all because there's too much brush and swamp to go through. I would like to see where they have searched every fishing hole every pond every ditch and on like that. Theres just no way. If you are not a local person then you wouldn't really understand. If you are then you should think again about that qusetion you ask. There is just no way, so in my eyes that was a lie.

mannequin, maybe you could narrow down exactly where you want the search to go. Are there places that you are sure have not been searched?

[BikerBabe]

Not to ruffle feathers but ...

I've never heard of a victim's family cleaning up a crime scene immediately. I only hear of perps doing that. Why did they clean her home before calling the police, why did they touch anything, once they realized something was amiss? That is not a normal reaction, calling 911 is. What were they trying to hide or change?

These are the same family members that have hired this 'psychic' to spread their feelings on whom is responsible for Tara's disappearance. I don't buy it. I feel they are hiding something and know if they make a big enough wave in the media, it will take all eyes off them and onto the person they feel needs the blame.

What is Tara's sister's alibi for the night Tara disappeared? She is the one who keeps changing her story over time. Has her husband, the doctor's, alibi been checked out or did they just take his word for it that he was working? Why didn't they have him do another LD test after he seemed to intentionally mess up the one he had by breathing too fast? A person can only hyperventilate for so long before they have to calm down, that is the point the test should have been done again to get his real reaction to their questions.

I keep reading about everyone else, but never about them. Have they been asked these questions? Does anyone know? Figured it was time to ask the questions going thru my head.

BB


Originally posted by guitarstring
Good question. Here's your answer.

Tara's mom/sister cleaned up her home, making her bed and cleaing the toilet and such. The neighbors even stood up an overturned lamp on her bedside table when they entered her home before the police were ever called, so we cannot rely on ANYTHING we've seen in any picture as being as it was when she left.

The show even said that Tara's home had been left virtually untouched/in the same condition as it was when Tara disappeared, but IT WAS UNTRUE and very MISLEADING.

I'm glad you caught on to the lie told in the show.

There were several.

IIRC, Tara's bed was UNMADE at the time of her disappearance, but her family tidied up her home and MANY MANY MANY people trampled on things, touched things, rearranged things, etc. so any evidence of exactly HOW Tara left things is in the wind due to all the movement in and around the house.

[SlouthyMom]

Originally posted by BikerBabe
Not to ruffle feathers but ...
Why didn't they have him do another LD test after he seemed to intentionally mess up the one he had by breathing too fast?
BB




BB, This is the first I have heard of this. Where did you get your information?

[BikerBabe]

What I said was 'he *seemed to* intentionally mess up the one he had by breathing too fast'. I'm sorry, I don't remember what thread I read it on, maybe someone else remembers. It said the test was not able to be read correctly due to his hyperventilating.

I speak from past experience working for a polygraph examiner who was a retired Indiana State Trooper. I saw many people work themselves up so they would get an inconclusive on a test if they didn't want the true results to be shown, drug themself up, or not sit still which will also ruin one. Normally, no big deal, they come back and retest later. I would like to know why he wasn't given another test if the first one wasn't any good. That will put to rest any rumors of this affair he was claimed to have had with Tara or confirm them.

No, I don't know anyone, I'm on the other side of the country. I have read since almost the beginning, followed the case this way and that. The majority seem to keep going after the select few men, but they are the ones who have passed the tests and have what look to be solid alibis. So I figured I'd put it out there and see if anyone else was thinking along those lines.

I find it odd Tara's sister and her husband have gone out of their way to bring in everyone they can think of to this case, but not put their trust and faith in GBI. Local LE I can understand, Tara seemed to have personal relationships with many of the officers and any dept would do the same thing they did, pass it on higher up so no fingers could be pointed later. While I realize some people do 'know things others don't', I see too many con artists out there who will tell a grieving family anything they want to hear to make a fast buck and get their picture in the paper.

Does anyone know if Tara's family made it a habit to go into her house without her knowledge and clean up after her? Did her neighbor always just hop in her car and take it to be cleaned out when it was dirty (again, without her knowledge)? I would be extremely upset if someone, family included, did that to my stuff.

Just thoughts that go thru my head, nothing more, nothing less. I don't have a TV, so I can only get impressions by what I am reading on these forums here.

[The R]

Originally posted by BikerBabe
What I said was 'he *seemed to* intentionally mess up the one he had by breathing too fast'. I'm sorry, I don't remember what thread I read it on, maybe someone else remembers. It said the test was not able to be read correctly due to his hyperventilating.

I speak from past experience working for a polygraph examiner who was a retired Indiana State Trooper. I saw many people work themselves up so they would get an inconclusive on a test if they didn't want the true results to be shown, drug themself up, or not sit still which will also ruin one. Normally, no big deal, they come back and retest later. I would like to know why he wasn't given another test if the first one wasn't any good. That will put to rest any rumors of this affair he was claimed to have had with Tara or confirm them.

No, I don't know anyone, I'm on the other side of the country. I have read since almost the beginning, followed the case this way and that. The majority seem to keep going after the select few men, but they are the ones who have passed the tests and have what look to be solid alibis. So I figured I'd put it out there and see if anyone else was thinking along those lines.

I find it odd Tara's sister and her husband have gone out of their way to bring in everyone they can think of to this case, but not put their trust and faith in GBI. Local LE I can understand, Tara seemed to have personal relationships with many of the officers and any dept would do the same thing they did, pass it on higher up so no fingers could be pointed later. While I realize some people do 'know things others don't', I see too many con artists out there who will tell a grieving family anything they want to hear to make a fast buck and get their picture in the paper.

Does anyone know if Tara's family made it a habit to go into her house without her knowledge and clean up after her? Did her neighbor always just hop in her car and take it to be cleaned out when it was dirty (again, without her knowledge)? I would be extremely upset if someone, family included, did that to my stuff.

Just thoughts that go thru my head, nothing more, nothing less. I don't have a TV, so I can only get impressions by what I am reading on these forums here.



BB,

Seems to me that your questions are valid and objective.......I'd like to add another if it's not too much off-topic....(waiting for hand slap)

How much life insurance does/did Tara have and who is listed as her beneficiary?

Anyone?


R

[Babes]

LOL I didnt watch this show simply because i dont believe her. If she have pertinent informations about this disappearance then she wouldnt wait a freaking what 4months? LOL just to let the public know what's going on. No show is even needed for this.

Sorry Baron fans... I believe psychic arent supposed to get paid and create a show first to help solve a disappearance. They help solve it first then they can make their show LOL you know like Court Tv Psychic Detectives? Tara's missing since October and Carla's working on it couple months after but needed to wait for July just to bring out what she knew? Scripted.

[floridasweet5]

I need to apologize to all of you on here. I got a thrashing from all of you about my comments.

I'm new to these boards and should not have ran my mouth without doing MY homework. I haven't gone back to read prior posts of these subjects.

I should have not passed judgement on all of u since most of you have been posting alot longer than myself.

I come from a family of law enforcement, as well as inlaws being in law enforcement.

Please except my apologize, it was not my intent to offend anyone.

floridasweet5

[4ANGELS]

Seems like forever since I have posted here. Did anyone else notice that they said nothing about the pagent tape and that her keys and purse being gone with her. Isnt that what LE said is that they couldnt find that stuff. Nothing either about the money found in her car either.

[4ANGELS]

We pray everyday Tara for your safe return. I never knew you, but I wish I did. Nor was I ever on thic board until you brought me here, and I thank you for it. W e miss you Tara and we want you to come home. Someone knows and are too much of a coward to say something. May God Bless you and keep you close to your angels.:rose: :rose: :rose:

[fsbiii]

According to Freshwater via PM, discussion about Carla Baron's Sunday night chat is allowed, but we cannot use any quotes from the chat for "copyright" reasons. I wanted to pass that along to anyone interested in pursuing the topic further.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
According to Freshwater via PM, discussion about Carla Baron's Sunday night chat is allowed, but we cannot use any quotes from the chat for "copyright" reasons. I wanted to pass that along to anyone interested in pursuing the topic further. I have tried to send the copyright link to freshwater but her/his box is full. I would suggest anybody interested in checking out the copyright records or contacting them to do so and determine for themselves if anything relating to Carla Baron is copyrighted.


http://www.copyright.gov/records/

and here is the address and phone number

U.S. Copyright Office
101 Independence Ave. S.E.
Washington, D.C. 20559-6000
(202) 707-3000

[fsbiii]

For what it's worth, from a legal person (not me either - before any of you accuse):


"The chat was on a free chat site provided by bravehost.com who has no sort of copyright notifications. The chat was not hosted on the Carla Baron website so there is no such provision. Further, dynamic content cannot be copyrighted."

Blah blah blah. So much drama, why can't she just explain her conduct?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by fsbiii
According to Freshwater via PM, discussion about Carla Baron's Sunday night chat is allowed, but we cannot use any quotes from the chat for "copyright" reasons. I wanted to pass that along to anyone interested in pursuing the topic further.

CourtTv has always been careful about copyright law. (Ever since I've been a member)

So, I think since someone threatened CourtTv with a copyright infringement suit, they wanted to be extra careful.

Can't say that I don't blame them.

Now, why Carla Baron (who has a show on CourtTv) would want to sue the company that is the vehicle for her television show is beyond me....

ROTFLMAO

Bottom line:

Carla Baron said it was a "crime of passion" on Haunting Evidence.

In her chat she said "M" had paid someone to assist him and was being coached.

My concern is this: Was the person posting as "Carla Baron" in that chatroom really Carla Baron. If so, how does she explain the contradiction between Haunting Evidence and her "true" vision of what transpired?

Or, has her vision "morphed" since the taping of the show?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why couldn't someone commit a crime of passion, then ask someone to either help with the disposal of the body, or supply an alibi perhaps?

I don't understand where the contradiction lies?

A little bit of a problem with Marcus being with Sean all night long.

Since she was talking about Marcus and saying Michael Lankford helped him... there are some huge holes left wide open.

1. When did he find the time to do this?

2. How exactly do you approach someone to help you dispose of a dead body? "Umm... hey Paula.. can ya do me a favor? I've got this dead person in the back of my pickup truck. Can you help me bury them in the middle of nowhere?"

3. Why hire someone to help dispose of a body that is already sitting in the back of his truck?

4. Lankford was going through bankruptcy at the time... why allow his vehicle to be voluntarily repossessed if he had some large chunk of change coming? He could have stopped bankruptcy proceedings at any time.

5. How much did Sean make off of the deal? (Though Carla doesn't directly mention Sean... but she did say Marcus was "being coached")


In my opinion Carla is a charlatan. Shyster. Con artist. BS'er. Etc.

Her "line" is identical to what Anita has been stating. How strange. (Yet John, whom I think Carla trashed in the chat, had different "visions" than Carla. Maybe John is more accurate because he hasn't been infused or tainted by talking at great length with Tara's family?)

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't know who Michael Lankford is. Could you tell me how MH is connected to him? I have a few thoughts, but I'd first like to know how well MH knows ML before posting them.

TIA

Well, it depends upon who you want to believe.

One factions says Lankford and Harper are bosom buddies.

Another states they know who each other are, but they aren't friends.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


ML sounds like he could have used some cash at the time. People, who are in need of money, are are more vulnerable at leaner times.

Theorizing that MH killed Tara in the heat of passion, he would have needed an alibi and wouldn't have time to dispose of the body. Perhaps he made ML "an offer he couldn't refuse" and while ML handled that part, MH called Sean to set up his alibi.

It would be great to know how well MH and ML really know one another.

IMO

So, he left the bar... goes to Tara's... murders her... doesn't know what to do with the body... so he puts it in the back of his truck (covered with a tarp)... calls someone up, asks them if they can use some extra cash and would they get rid of a dead body for him... then calls Sean up to create an alibi... all in less than 30 minutes?

Ummmmm.... okay

Just curious Paula... Have you ever met an ex-boyfriend, ex-husband, boyfriend or husband that isn't guilty?

I'm not trying to be acerbic... but I've never seen anyone (who claims to know so little of the facts in this case) be so dead-set on "who" is responsible with those few facts. It's almost like you have a pre-recorded message, "the man in her life did it" whenever something happens to a woman.

And the funny thing about this case is that Marcus wasn't the man in her life. LMAO

I get so utterly frustrated when I see people make a decision about what happened (with no evidence whatsoever) and then try to fashion a justification out it by using whatever inane method they can think of.

Follow the FACTS. Follow the EVIDENCE. There is not one single solitary fact or piece of evidence that would indicate Marcus Harper had any contact with Tara at all... more less murder her.

I could come up with a doozy of theory concerning Larry and Anita Gattis. Want to hear it?

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by fsbiii
For what it's worth, from a legal person (not me either - before any of you accuse):


"The chat was on a free chat site provided by bravehost.com who has no sort of copyright notifications. The chat was not hosted on the Carla Baron website so there is no such provision. Further, dynamic content cannot be copyrighted."

Blah blah blah. So much drama, why can't she just explain her conduct?

I've owned and operated an IRC network since 1996. Anyone in a chat channel can copy/paste what is said elsewhere online. There is nothing preventing them from doing this. It's done all the time and I have seen no laws that would make real time chat be under copyright laws.

Chats are done all the time, copied, then posted on websites. The text may be under copyright at that point, once perm on the website, but that's the only way I could see it done from my experience. Chat is done on the fly for anyone to see, it's very different than posts done by one person onto a forum such as this.

Bravenet hosts domains. Their clients do everything from sell drugs to having chat. Bravenet has no say in what happens on the domains they host, that would be up to the owner of the domain him or herself.

[splitrockspirit]

while we are offering up theory here as to what may have happened to Tara, I decided to post mine. I know it will be torn apart and what not as soon as I post, but Hey,, its ok,,, remember this is just my feelings and theory. First of all, I think there were some personal reasons that Tara and Marcus decided to call things off, and I think these reasons were Marcus's. Whether its because of some one else, or maybe a very personal problem Im not sure. (Some comments made earlier about their behind doors habits lead me to belive one of those is correct.) I do not know either of them personally so I cannot place blame. My theory on happened is:
Who ever is responsible for her being gone she knew very well. My feeling is that she left with this person voluntarily, however now I am told that there is possiblu evidence proving that she was assaulted in her home then taken. However, we need to remember that a number of females were in her home getting ready for the pageant, thus some of the evidence that is thought to have could possibly be from the girls ( gross as it may sound, blood could very well be from another female mestruating and it happened to leak onto the floor and they wiped it up, leaving some behind, very possible being that they were wearing dresses).
so, I think it was voluntarily that she left. I do think that the house that burned down is a BIG role in this. I think that she was taken to that house. Im not sure if she was living when she was taken there and then assaulted or if she was brought there after the fact. The timeline tells me though that they probly didnt have much time, so I assume it happened there. I think she was then left there, either to die or was already deceased at that point. The dog that I know of that hit on a spot in the house tells me that there was in fact a body there, not baby urine or whatever. I have full trust in this belief.
I think that later, being days later, that her body was moved by the truck that burnt when the house did. I think that the truck was set on fire to destroy evidence, and then the house was set on fire also. I do not believe that the house caught fire from the truck or vise versa because in pictures it showed a small bush that was between the 2 and it was virtually untouched by any fire which would have been impossible.
Now,,, if anyone has the arial pics that were taken b4 the ponds were drained, in one of those between the house and the pond, I know its a large area but its inbetween those 2, there was an area that looked as if it had been unearthed and then covered up. Later it was referred to as an aligator den that was there when the pond was emptied. This cannot be, the pond never went up that far, and it was there b4 they drained the pond, I seen it on arial pics that were posted.
I have a feeling that this is where her remains are. I am not sure if any other dogs have searched that area or not, but they need to. I think that a good cadaver dog would find something there.
I do think that someone was paid well to keep their mouth shut, but I think that they happened across this and were not directly involved to begin with. I have my own reasons for thinking the pay thing, but think vehicles.
Again, all this is just my own feelings, and any opinions here are just that, opinions.
My blessings are with Tara & her family. May this all be over soon.

[SlouthyMom]

splitrockspirit that is an interesting theory.

I wish more would post their theories?


BFD you said you had a theory. Care to share? Anyone else?


Lets discuss this?

Respect each others opinions not bash each other.

Can we does this?

[splitrockspirit]

Originally posted by SlouthyMom
splitrockspirit that is an interesting theory.

I wish more would post their theories?


BFD you said you had a theory. Care to share? Anyone else?


Lets discuss this?

Respect each others opinions not bash each other.

Can we does this?

Thank you for not bashing :) I havent posted here for along time, but I have read a few. I have just been trying to figure out how all this may have happened with regards to time and all, and this is what I have figured. I also went on some gut feelings that I have, although I dont know any of the POI or the victim herself or family. Sometimes feelings can be a strong leading knowledge.
Anyways,,, thanks again,, been busy keeping up on the Dru trial.

[Babes]

Originally posted by BikerBabe


I've owned and operated an IRC network since 1996. Anyone in a chat channel can copy/paste what is said elsewhere online. There is nothing preventing them from doing this. It's done all the time and I have seen no laws that would make real time chat be under copyright laws.

Chats are done all the time, copied, then posted on websites. The text may be under copyright at that point, once perm on the website, but that's the only way I could see it done from my experience. Chat is done on the fly for anyone to see, it's very different than posts done by one person onto a forum such as this.

Bravenet hosts domains. Their clients do everything from sell drugs to having chat. Bravenet has no say in what happens on the domains they host, that would be up to the owner of the domain him or herself.

OT: What's your irc network's domain?

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by Babes


OT: What's your irc network's domain?

XWorld.Org .. servername xworld.bluemoon.net or irc.xworld.org .. but I'm not active in there right now. The only channels active are a few longtime ones. One of my OPers is keeping an eye on the place. I only drop in on rare occasions or when asked to meet someone in there. (Idunno knows how to find me almost all the time.)

When I have a day that I'm up to it, I work on the webpage and then will start looking for people to train as OPers in the future. Then we will get active again in there, if interest is shown and I am not so sick.

Feel free to stop in there and take a look around if you'd like. I more than likely won't be in my channel though, although my bot may be there. (Umm, should you make the mistake of getting him talkative, say 'Shutup WldAnimal' and he will quit talking. LOL.)

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I thought we were speaking of CB, and what you believe she was implying about MH and ML, whom I had never heard of before.

I offered a theory based upon what YOU said CB said. I never said I was "dead set on who is responsible". SHEEEESH

I'm sorry Paula... I'm not trying to be picky... it's just whenever you do discuss what might have happened to Tara, the only option you ever talk about is Marcus doing something to her.

Carla's "vision" just happened to be identical to Anita's mantra... which I thought was rather "coincidental". LOL

I think Carla is doing nothing more than spewing Anita's version of events and claiming it came through paranormal channels. She's obviously been fed every detail she's mentioned. No doubt in my mind.

[concernedperson]

Paula,

I am not sure that MH called Tara a name when she was with another guy. I have heard that it was AV that called her a name not MH. Of course, unless one of the men with her would verify then we have no first hand knowledge either way.

The same jealously scenario could apply to several situations.

This is just one of those cases where there are so many players that rhyme or reason is not forthcoming.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by guitarstring
Sure, he knew where she was, but HE WASN'T WITH HER.
I've wondered if he may have wanted to know what time she got home that night by watching to see? That happens all the time by jealous male friends of women. It also makes sense that if he knocked on her door, she would open it to him, naturally.

What doesn't make sense is if she got home at 11:00, driving there immediately AFTER the BBQ, then why would someone decide to knock on her door at 2AM, if they were lying in wait for her outside her home? Why 2AM, and not 11:00pm, that is IF she went directly home.

She could have gone somewhere else and met someone to talk or something and then, when she arrived home so late/early in the AM, the jealous person wanted to know where the heck she was, which would fit with the 2AM scenario.

But who would feel they had the right to knock on her door at any time and question her? RR, her most recent boyfriend that we know of? HD, her friend in LE from another town? MH, who was seemingly done with their relationship? Who felt that was ok?

Again, I'm not putting much weight into anything until something official comes out, but it's the first time I've ever felt strongly about RR.

I'm not trying to start an argument, believe me, but I have a few questions about your post GS, and it applies to some of the other posters too but this one by you just caught my eye. Many of you here have made it clear that you don't believe in psychics and don't take anything they say seriously. If this is the case, why are you unwavering on this "2AM" time? Didn't this come from the psychics? I think we all have to leave room for error on ANYONE'S theory, but it does seem that some of the posters are latching on to the psychics' details when they (those specific details) become convenient for the theory they are presenting. JMO, I may be reading this wrong, but it seems that a lot of the POI's dropped out of the mix once the perp was described as around 5'10-11" w/dark hair, etc. Again, I think we should all be open to ANYTHING, but those that DON'T believe in what the psychics come up with shouldn't use to their advantage some of the details. And I'm not "discounting" in any way your "feeling about RR" you mentioned either. I'm just trying to understand how you think he could play into it, why you are sticking to the 2AM time, etc.

What I'm trying to understand is DO you believe the timeline, descriptions, etc. that were presented by the psychics? If you do, then don't waver on the time or anything else. But if you don't, maybe those details shouldn't be merged in with your theory? I personally DO believe in psychics, for which I am sure I will be immediately stoned to death by some of you, but I do have a good reason for believing, so I'm going with that.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I agree, that whomever the perp is, LE is aware of it, as I find it difficult to believe that someone could disappear from the tiny town of Ocilla, without a trace.

The fact that Tara had a number of relationships with people tied to LE, reinforces my belief that LE knows what happened. The curiosity alone, involving someone so closely tied to its members, would prompt a more active investigation into Tara's disappearance, than if a stranger to LE's members had disappeared.

So, yes, I agree that whomever it is, they are being shielded, perhaps by the Blue Wall of Silence.

IMO

That makes tremendous sense Paula. From all outward appearances, it doesn't look like LE is doing much of anything on this case. Your reason makes perfect sense.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I agree, that whomever the perp is, LE is aware of it, as I find it difficult to believe that someone could disappear from the tiny town of Ocilla, without a trace.

The fact that Tara had a number of relationships with people tied to LE, reinforces my belief that LE knows what happened. The curiosity alone, involving someone so closely tied to its members, would prompt a more active investigation into Tara's disappearance, than if a stranger to LE's members had disappeared.

So, yes, I agree that whomever it is, they are being shielded, perhaps by the Blue Wall of Silence.

IMO So are you accusing LE of covering for one of their own? Who do you think this "Blue Wall of Silence" is shielding? People disappear all the time Paula, why do you find it so difficult to believe? People have chosen to walk away and have stayed away of their own choosing. Do you not hear these things on the news? How do you think abduction happens ? If traces were left by everyone who went missing, I'd venture to guess we would have a lot more success in finding the missing and a lot less need for pictures on milk cartons. Get real Paula. Lets just call it like it is you ALWAYS blame the/a MAN.

You throw the word Perp around as if there is one. I sure wish you would call the GBI and ask them to confirm their statement to Seamus that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY and she is still considered MISSING. While your at it, why don't you ask them if they are putting up your imaginary "BLUE WALL OF SILENCE". I am sure they would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.:rolleyes:

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


I'm not trying to start an argument, believe me, but I have a few questions about your post GS, and it applies to some of the other posters too but this one by you just caught my eye. Many of you here have made it clear that you don't believe in psychics and don't take anything they say seriously. If this is the case, why are you unwavering on this "2AM" time? Didn't this come from the psychics? I think we all have to leave room for error on ANYONE'S theory, but it does seem that some of the posters are latching on to the psychics' details when they (those specific details) become convenient for the theory they are presenting. JMO, I may be reading this wrong, but it seems that a lot of the POI's dropped out of the mix once the perp was described as around 5'10-11" w/dark hair, etc. Again, I think we should all be open to ANYTHING, but those that DON'T believe in what the psychics come up with shouldn't use to their advantage some of the details. And I'm not "discounting" in any way your "feeling about RR" you mentioned either. I'm just trying to understand how you think he could play into it, why you are sticking to the 2AM time, etc.

What I'm trying to understand is DO you believe the timeline, descriptions, etc. that were presented by the psychics? If you do, then don't waver on the time or anything else. But if you don't, maybe those details shouldn't be merged in with your theory? I personally DO believe in psychics, for which I am sure I will be immediately stoned to death by some of you, but I do have a good reason for believing, so I'm going with that.

The only timeline we have is the one given by CB the psychic. And her's doesn't make sense. IMO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by simply quiet


The only timeline we have is the one given by CB the psychic. And her's doesn't make sense. IMO

We have a timeline.

It's 11'ish PM on Saturday night until 8'ish AM on Monday morning.

33 hours. Wide open.

That is a wide window of opportunity.

Carla's can make sense... but not if she's accusing Marcus. His time is accounted for. (Now I await the barrage of posts concerning the magic 30 minutes of murder, coverup, paying off and alibi seeking. LMAO Anything is possible in Disneyland. So they say.)

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


We have a timeline.

It's 11'ish PM on Saturday night until 8'ish AM on Monday morning.

33 hours. Wide open.

That is a wide window of opportunity.

Carla's can make sense... but not if she's accusing Marcus. His time is accounted for. (Now I await the barrage of posts concerning the magic 30 minutes of murder, coverup, paying off and alibi seeking. LMAO Anything is possible in Disneyland. So they say.)

Hi BD

You are right we do have that timeline.

33 hrs could also give her a good lead in getting away to peace and quiet.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Hi BD

You are right we do have that timeline.

33 hrs could also give her a good lead in getting away to peace and quiet. Yes it could sq.

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


I'm not trying to start an argument, believe me, but I have a few questions about your post GS, and it applies to some of the other posters too but this one by you just caught my eye. Many of you here have made it clear that you don't believe in psychics and don't take anything they say seriously. If this is the case, why are you unwavering on this "2AM" time? Didn't this come from the psychics? I think we all have to leave room for error on ANYONE'S theory, but it does seem that some of the posters are latching on to the psychics' details when they (those specific details) become convenient for the theory they are presenting. JMO, I may be reading this wrong, but it seems that a lot of the POI's dropped out of the mix once the perp was described as around 5'10-11" w/dark hair, etc. Again, I think we should all be open to ANYTHING, but those that DON'T believe in what the psychics come up with shouldn't use to their advantage some of the details. And I'm not "discounting" in any way your "feeling about RR" you mentioned either. I'm just trying to understand how you think he could play into it, why you are sticking to the 2AM time, etc.

What I'm trying to understand is DO you believe the timeline, descriptions, etc. that were presented by the psychics? If you do, then don't waver on the time or anything else. But if you don't, maybe those details shouldn't be merged in with your theory? I personally DO believe in psychics, for which I am sure I will be immediately stoned to death by some of you, but I do have a good reason for believing, so I'm going with that.


We have all dabbled in developing a time line, to some extent, myself included.
IIRC, the psychic connection did not develop until after January - long after many posters,
and the infamous Dr. Goodwin, had shared their thoughts.
I would think it is the psychic who is merging ideas that are not original.

(? a dyslexic interpretation of sequencing ?) :shrug:

[BikerBabe]

Hmmm .. the timeline. Let me tell you a little story as best I am able and see if y'all think it could apply in this case. I've never told this story openly on a website really, I'll do the best I can without letting my emotions get into it.

I had a boyfriend many years ago and we had broken apart. I rented a little mother in law cottage behind a main house in a nice section of the smallish town, a 'burb of a well known town in Florida. One night, after I was sound asleep, I awoke to find this guy standing above me, next to my bed. He was drunk as a skunk and he was, well, you know...

I'm 5 feet tall even and range between 80 and 95 pounds depending on how badly my Crohn's is flaring. Not exactly big enough to put up a fight against someone twice my size. I said no, go away and all that, he didn't. He took what he wanted and left. I had just moved into that place that week, so didn't even have a phone installed yet. He didn't hurt me, but I didn't give my consent either.

That night left me pregnant and I later miscarried the baby.

I don't feel comfy thinking whomever took Tara had a real plan or was lying in wait. It could be a situation similar to mine. Lowered morals due to alcohol or drugs, an unlocked door which gave easy access or a door opened to him due to Tara knowing him, but not realizing letting him in was a bad move. How many of us really think well after being woken up from a sound sleep?

As far as the name calling. Who hasn't said something a little nasty about a person you dated in the recent past and are still a little upset by? I think we've all been there and done that or been on the receiving end. I don't feel calling someone a name instantly makes you a murderer.

Can those of you who know the town and the people better tell me if a sitation like mine could have gone down from where you sit? Since I've never been there I don't really know, but from the pictures I've seen of the house Tara rented, I feel it could have, very easily.

[concernedperson]

V, I think the article was based on heresay. You know how many times witnesses think they see something in crimes. The neighbor was the only neighbor who said the car was gone Sunday morning and didn't return until afternoon. The rest of the neighbors say the car was there all day.

The teenager said he saw her Sunday afternoon but could it have been Saturday afternoon? Quickly shopping for groceries before the pageant girls coming over.

Then turn it around. Maybe the one neighbor and the one teenage boy are the only correct ones.

The reason LE is not clarifying is because they are waiting for the perp to trip up and they can use any and all info to further a case.

The more banter around town and the message boards then more info can be gleaned and weaned. That is one clear reason the boards should stay up.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
So are you accusing LE of covering for one of their own? Who do you think this "Blue Wall of Silence" is shielding? People disappear all the time Paula, why do you find it so difficult to believe? People have chosen to walk away and have stayed away of their own choosing. Do you not hear these things on the news? How do you think abduction happens ? If traces were left by everyone who went missing, I'd venture to guess we would have a lot more success in finding the missing and a lot less need for pictures on milk cartons. Get real Paula. Lets just call it like it is you ALWAYS blame the/a MAN.

You throw the word Perp around as if there is one. I sure wish you would call the GBI and ask them to confirm their statement to Seamus that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY and she is still considered MISSING. While your at it, why don't you ask them if they are putting up your imaginary "BLUE WALL OF SILENCE". I am sure they would love to hear your thoughts on the matter.:rolleyes:
I don't think Paula was talking about GBI. I think she meant local LE. Maybe Paula can clarify.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Hi BD

You are right we do have that timeline.

33 hrs could also give her a good lead in getting away to peace and quiet.

Where do you think Tara went in that amount of time, and what mode of transportation do you believe she may have used? I may have missed it, but I don't think I've seen a real theory put here that explained HOW she might have gotten away, WHERE she might have gone, etc. It's easy to say she just "ran away" or "left on her own", but how exactly? No money, no car, no family, no job, etc. How??

[concernedperson]

I don't think Tara just ran away,.FWIIW. I think there are others complicite.

Until and if we ever know. And if Tara is ever found it will be a guessing game.

So many people are missing.But in this case there are pieces of the puzzle that are relevant just no one steps up to the plate.

I know she is within our grasps and I will see this to the end.

[concernedperson]

Nah, I agree no sugar daddy.Someone close to her with a multitude of baggage.Now, the who is anyone's guess.

[fsbiii]

It is?

Originally posted by Hey Paula

It is also possible that aliens beamed Tara into their spaceship.

[fsbiii]

Yes. In my mind, I can absolutely rule out an alien abduction. Now we're getting somewhere....

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Can you say absolutely, positively, for sure that it isn't? LOL!

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
MH, calling Tara that name, because she was with another guy, after MH himself claimed that he encouraged Tara to go out with other men, is a contradiction, and a display of jealousy - an often dangerous emotion.

You wish to speculate that others might have called Tara worse names, or done worse things to her. I don't know about the others, but I do know about MH.

Bravo for a great post.
I feel the same way.

:beer:

[SlouthyMom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula



How did Tara manage to get from Ocilla to point B without being seen, without money or clothing, and without leaving a trail either through paper, phone calls, correspondence, or computer research/transactions?

I am with you Paula. I don't see how anyone could find themselves a "Sugar Daddy" and not have left records of phone calls, email msg's on both personal and/or work computers. How did they make contact... smoke signals? Telepathic... oh wait... I wont go there. :punch:

You can't tell me that all phone records haven't been checked. That all computers haven't been gone through.

Tara is/was to sentimental to just walk away from things that belonged to her grandmother. Things that she had kept through the years-clock, tv cabinet etc.
I seriously think that had she just walked away she would have reconsider it by now and would have contacted someone if at all possible. JMO

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by SlouthyMom


I am with you Paula. I don't see how anyone could find themselves a "Sugar Daddy" and not have left records of phone calls, email msg's on both personal and/or work computers. How did they make contact...

They use payphones, face to face talk in locations that would not arouse suspicion from anyone who would come across them, hand written notes left on or in a car or mailbox (read and burn after) and set up a pre arranged, safe time for the person who feels in danger to be picked up and taken away. Before the person leaves, the helper has made sure anything needed has been purchased, so nothing will need to be taken with at first.

At least this is how I left an ex that went nuts on me and I was in fear for my life. Any communication done online would be done in IM, without a log being kept or in a private IRC channel , where also no log would be kept. You avoid anything like email or web posts that would leave a trace. It's really very simple to do, you just have to be very careful.

I am not sure that is what Tara did, but that is normally how a total disappearance can be pulled off and nothing taken. I tend to lean towards her being kidnapped by someone and later killed, but am not ruling out anything at this time. More facts of the case are needed and until LE talks, we just won't know.

Raining very, very hard in Phoenix right now and chances are we'll lose power soon. Stopping this here so I can get it posted.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


There is a difference between possible and probable. It is also possible that aliens beamed Tara into their spaceship.

Tara's life seemed pretty full, perhaps bordering on overload, between teaching, continuing education, beauty pageant duties, etc. A sugar daddy surely must have wined and dined her before he swept her away in the middle of the night, unnoticed, from the tiny town of Ocilla. Why didn't anyone notice Tara with him before?

Did the sugar daddy tell her to leave all her personal effects behind, as well as her cash in the car and her money in the bank?

Who says a sugar daddy lives in Ocilla?

Who's to say that all of the different activities she's told everyone she was busy with is accurate?

Let's speculate that she tells everyone she has classes 3 nights a week. BUT, she really only has classes 2 nights a week. So, while everyone is thining she's off to school... she's really off to meet the speculative sugar daddy.

No one would know anything the wiser except Tara and the sugar daddy.

[fsbiii]

Since this was a reply to my "no alien abduction" post....

Did I say she did?

Originally posted by Hey Paula

How did Tara manage to get from Ocilla to point B without being seen, without money or clothing, and without leaving a trail either through paper, phone calls, correspondence, or computer research/transactions?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Mannequin


It was MH that called her that name. If others did too I don't know but it was him at the redlight that day.

Well I heard it wasn't MH, it was A Vickers. :shrug:

[fsbiii]

Unless you're Tara, Marcus or Rhett, how can we believe this is a fact? It's 50/50 on who it was (based on what everyone has heard).

Originally posted by Mannequin

It was MH that called her that name. If others did too I don't know but it was him at the redlight that day.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin


It was MH that called her that name. If others did too I don't know but it was him at the redlight that day.

Prove it.

Were you a witness to it happening?

Are you prepared to walk into a grand jury and testify that you heard Marcus Harper call Tara Grinstead a *****?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


That makes tremendous sense Paula. From all outward appearances, it doesn't look like LE is doing much of anything on this case. Your reason makes perfect sense. BroadwayJoe, by any chance have you heard from Laquella or Laverita ? :rolleyes:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mannequin


whose to say you aren't the sugar daddy? if you wnat to think like that then everything everybody says is a lie no matter what. If you say people can tell you anything they want then i guess you are right. But I tell what I know and what I saw. Others can just say whatever they want to and rumors grow. nothing will ever get solved and Tara won't be found until all the rumors stop. I won't be posting much here at all because of all that. Its very upsetting when you know something is not true. Im not picking on you just using this as an example of how many do think. If I see something then I know its true but we cant all see everything, you have to trust too. on this discussion thats not possible I dont think. I guess people will not believe Tara could be dead until they see the body [/B]or wont believe she could be alive until she speaks to them. maybe then it will be over. [/B] Can you explain the bolded comments?

[BevAnn]

Mannequin, as I'm sure your aware, all posts on CTV are supposed to backed with a link if available, or if not, then presented to be in YOUR OPINION ONLY.

If you have no valid PROOF of any of your CLAIMS, please state it's your opinion only, so we may keep up with fact and fiction.

thanks.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin


it was 2 words he called her not one.

You didn't answer the questions.

Did you witness it?

Are you prepared to testify in front of a grand jury that you witnessed this event?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


How does someone back something they SAW with a link?

The same way I used to get slammed for knowing information that was not "linkable".

Strange how so many things I was slammed for in the past are now being justified by you in this case.

Why the flip-flop?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Mannequin!

FWIW, I believe you!

I saw MH, being interviewed on TV and was struck by his defensive attitude, when the situation called for remorse and compassion for Tara, the woman he claims to have loved, and with whom he had a more than five year relationship with.

I, for one, appreciate your input on this forum, and hope you keep posting your thoughts, without feeling intimidated by others. You will encounter this on nearly every board on CTV. Take a tour and see for yourself. It doesn't just happen here. You can start at the Natalee Holloway board, if your skin is thick enough.

Tara needs your support!

And you wouldn't be defensive if you had camera crews following you around and people claiming you murdered someone?

LMAO

No. Of course not. You'd be contrite and forgiving towards those misguided souls. You'd request interviews with everyone and shout your innocence from the rooftops, right? No matter how many times they accused you of doing something you know you didn't do, huh?

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


How does someone back something they SAW with a link?

Hey Paula, that's why I said IF YOU DON'T HAVE VALID PROOF, claim it's YOUR OPINION.

DIdn't I say that??:shrug:

[fsbiii]

They don't. They simply would say, "I was there, and I saw it."

Notice that hasn't been done--and won't be.

Originally posted by Hey Paula


How does someone back something they SAW with a link?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Need I remind you that the person you defended is on Death Row in San Quentin, LOL?

The outcome of the case has nothing to do with whether someone has a "link" to provide for information they have firsthand knowledge of.

This case hasn't even been classified as a criminal case yet. LMAO

So, nice deflection, but no answer why there is a double standard in your reasoning. (And BTW, when you were slamming me for links, he wasn't on death row, so it's moot.)

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't know why Mannequin should believe his/her lying eyes. :rolleyes:

You seem to have some inside information via Mannequin.

They have not stated they witnessed this.

Where did you come up with that? Secret PM's?

Or you want it to be true, so therefore you make something fit your warped sense of reality?

[BevAnn]

Paula, do you believe everything everyone ever tells you?

I don't know Mannequin, have never met him/her, they may be the most stand up, honest Abe, person God ever created - but I don't know that for sure, so I tend to like BACK UP on stated FACTS on this board...as I believe admin here does also.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


As much as I would lilke to die laughing, instead of being in pain, please don't mention "double standard", as I'm not ready to leave this world just yet.

LOL!

:tongue:

This deflection wasn't quite as nice as the last one... but you still haven't answered the question.

LOL

Why is it okay for this person to not provide a link to something you think has firsthand knowledge, but when I had firsthand knowledge on things I was being trounced upon?

The only difference I see is that you didn't want to believe me (because we were on opposite sides of the fence) and this time you want to believe Marcus is a bad guy.

So, the truth of the matter (with the evidence before me) is that you choose to believe what you want, when it fits your belief and opinion that has been formed without having all of the facts.

On second thought, don't bother with an answer. I just figured it out. LOL

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BevAnn
Paula, do you believe everything everyone ever tells you?

I don't know Mannequin, have never met him/her, they may be the most stand up, honest Abe, person God ever created - but I don't know that for sure, so I tend to like BACK UP on stated FACTS on this board...as I believe admin here does also.

Mannequin has yet to state they witnessed this alleged interaction between Marcus and Tara. Paulas jumped the gun a little bit on that.

I'm patiently waiting to see if they will claim to have witnessed this alleged event and be willing to testify in front of a grand jury to that effect.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Mannequin said MH used two words when he called out to Tara while stopped at a red light. I will trust Mannequin until/unless s/he gives me cause not to. I believe there are some on this board who truly care about Tara, and who truly want answers, despite where, and to whom, they lead.

IMO

That's been said from the very beginning. Anyone who has read about it knows it was two words. (I didn't think the second one would be asterisk'ed out on the forum, but I knew for a fact the first one would be).

That's not some kind of "inside information" that only a witness would know.

Come on Paula... your bias is showing... you might want to lower your skirt a little bit.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I don't know why Mannequin should believe his/her lying eyes. :rolleyes:

UhhOhh

Now girlfriend, are you going to take a starnger's word over my words???

I knew you first.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I have great legs, and like to wear mini skirts! LOL!

Is this where I should ask for a link to prove that?

LOL

:tongue:

[BevAnn]

You know, we're so discussing Mannequin's claim, and like 10 posts later....no Mannequin yet to help out on this matter....where'd he/she go??

Oh Mannequin, don't leave us hanging....did you first hand witness this altercation between Tara and MH where he yelled 2 words at her, so you say?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Is this where I should ask for a link to prove that?

LOL

:tongue:

Yup

[janis]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Yup


Yall better be careful what you ask for......LMAO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


LOL!

As much as I love you, and think you're super, I know you're not capable of being omnipresent.

But neither is Mannequin.


:mad:

[simply quiet]

Paula..........here is Mannequin's first post and why he came here.

I don't think someone interested in HE is going to have first hand info on what was said to Tara. IMO

He seems very new to message boards and probably does not know the rules.



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I came over to this website to try to read about the tv program that's got everybody all bent out of shape and found all this other stuff written about Tara. i had no idea. My old heart couldn't take reading this stuff very long. I just came to read about Haunted Evidence since its the talk of the town right now.



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[BevAnn]

That's the appearance he wants to give off alright....

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Prove it.

Were you a witness to it happening?

Are you prepared to walk into a grand jury and testify that you heard Marcus Harper call Tara Grinstead a *****?

If I understand Our jury system Manniquin would not have the chance to stand before a Grand Jury and testify anything.

grand jury is a type of common law jury responsible for investigating alleged crimes, examining evidence, and issuing indictments if they believe that there is enough evidence for a trial to proceed. A grand jury is distinguished from a petit jury, which is used during trial

I have served on Grand Juries in Irwin County and the DA presents the cases to be determined IF they will go before a jury, that would be the only way anyone could testify.
IMOO by Being there and Doing that.

Where they exist, grand juries are part of the system of checks and balances, preventing a case from going to trial on a prosecutor's bare word: an impartial panel of ordinary citizens must first decide whether there exists reasonable cause or probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed. To this end, witnesses can be compelled to testify before them. Unlike the trial itself, the grand jury's proceedings are secret; the defendant and his or her counsel are generally not present for other witnesses' testimony. The grand jury's decision is either a "true bill" (i.e. there is a case to answer) or "no true bill." In general, jurors are drawn from the same pool of citizens as a petit jury, and participate for a specific time period.

[fsbiii]

If "Mannequin" is a material witness on this "fact," the DA would certainly want "Mannequin" to testify before the grand jury to secure an indictment! Shall we go ahead and set this up or wait for there to even BE a criminal case opened. I doubt the DA is ready to do anything since LE has nothing to give the DA.

Originally posted by gacountry


If I understand Our jury system Manniquin would not have the chance to stand before a Grand Jury and testify anything.

grand jury is a type of common law jury responsible for investigating alleged crimes, examining evidence, and issuing indictments if they believe that there is enough evidence for a trial to proceed. A grand jury is distinguished from a petit jury, which is used during trial

I have served on Grand Juries in Irwin County and the DA presents the cases to be determined IF they will go before a jury, that would be the only way anyone could testify.
IMOO by Being there and Doing that.

Where they exist, grand juries are part of the system of checks and balances, preventing a case from going to trial on a prosecutor's bare word: an impartial panel of ordinary citizens must first decide whether there exists reasonable cause or probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed. To this end, witnesses can be compelled to testify before them. Unlike the trial itself, the grand jury's proceedings are secret; the defendant and his or her counsel are generally not present for other witnesses' testimony. The grand jury's decision is either a "true bill" (i.e. there is a case to answer) or "no true bill." In general, jurors are drawn from the same pool of citizens as a petit jury, and participate for a specific time period.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by fsbiii
If "Mannequin" is a material witness on this "fact," the DA would certainly want "Mannequin" to testify before the grand jury to secure an indictment! Shall we go ahead and set this up or wait for there to even BE a criminal case opened. I doubt the DA is ready to do anything since LE has nothing to give the DA.



Preach to BFD he was the one that brought up Grand Jury, I have only served on them MANY times, and in none of them did a material witness be presented, BUT I bow to your expertice I am not an attorney just one of those ordinary citizens that make up the Grand Jury.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry


If I understand Our jury system Manniquin would not have the chance to stand before a Grand Jury and testify anything.

grand jury is a type of common law jury responsible for investigating alleged crimes, examining evidence, and issuing indictments if they believe that there is enough evidence for a trial to proceed. A grand jury is distinguished from a petit jury, which is used during trial

I have served on Grand Juries in Irwin County and the DA presents the cases to be determined IF they will go before a jury, that would be the only way anyone could testify.
IMOO by Being there and Doing that.

Where they exist, grand juries are part of the system of checks and balances, preventing a case from going to trial on a prosecutor's bare word: an impartial panel of ordinary citizens must first decide whether there exists reasonable cause or probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed. To this end, witnesses can be compelled to testify before them. Unlike the trial itself, the grand jury's proceedings are secret; the defendant and his or her counsel are generally not present for other witnesses' testimony. The grand jury's decision is either a "true bill" (i.e. there is a case to answer) or "no true bill." In general, jurors are drawn from the same pool of citizens as a petit jury, and participate for a specific time period.

:confused:

Huh?

Your post has me totally confused because you contradicted yourself in the first two paragraphs. You stated in your post that a grand jury has the power to investigate an alleged crime, but then state that this poster wouldn't have the opportunity to be a witness in front of a grand jury.

Why wouldn't they?

Marcus displaying animosity towards Tara would most definitely be pertinent to any investigation.

Having witnesses come forward with pertinent evidence is what it's all about.

In Georgia there is also a provision where a district attorney can request a judge to impanel a special grand jury for investigative purposes even when no law may have been broken.

In this case, there are quite a few people arguing a law has been broken, so I don't think they would even need to go the route of a special grand jury.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry


Preach to BFD he was the one that brought up Grand Jury, I have only served on them MANY times, and in none of them did a material witness be presented, BUT I bow to your expertice I am not an attorney just one of those ordinary citizens that make up the Grand Jury.

You served on a grand jury in the past and never saw a witness testify in any of them?

WTH kind of grand jury was it?

I've never heard of such a thing.

I have personally testified in front of many grand juries.

I'm absolutely flabbergasted you say there were no witnesses. Did the DA just come up there and talk to you all day long?

[fsbiii]

I won't preach to anyone. There's quite enough of that without my doing so. I just responded to the grand jury posting you made because it seemed incorrect. BFD knows how a grand jury operates. No need to bow.

Originally posted by gacountry


Preach to BFD he was the one that brought up Grand Jury, I have only served on them MANY times, and in none of them did a material witness be presented, BUT I bow to your expertice I am not an attorney just one of those ordinary citizens that make up the Grand Jury.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You served on a grand jury in the past and never saw a witness testify in any of them?

WTH kind of grand jury was it?

I've never heard of such a thing.

I have personally testified in front of many grand juries.

I'm absolutely flabbergasted you say there were no witnesses. Did the DA just come up there and talk to you all day long?

Yes I have served on Irwin County Gand Juries and no in none of them did a witness be brought forth. I have been very lucky in that they have only been drug cases and simple theft cases. I think the longest any I was on lasted maybe 1/2 a day and we inspected the jail on one of those. My husband has been on GJ also and he has had the same experience. Remember we are a small county with little real crime. Drugs and simple cases.

Again I was speaking from my experience. Guess we will all have to wait until the DA takes on the case before we decide who will have to be brought where.

[BevAnn]

That's assuming a crime has even taken place....

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry


Yes I have served on Irwin County Gand Juries and no in none of them did a witness be brought forth. I have been very lucky in that they have only been drug cases and simple theft cases. I think the longest any I was on lasted maybe 1/2 a day and we inspected the jail on one of those. My husband has been on GJ also and he has had the same experience. Remember we are a small county with little real crime. Drugs and simple cases.

Again I was speaking from my experience. Guess we will all have to wait until the DA takes on the case before we decide who will have to be brought where.

They were drug cases and no witnesses testified? How is that possible?

Did they just throw you a bunch of police reports and say, "start reading"?

In a simple theft case, how could you ascertain any facts without witnesses? Heck, how could you even ascertain something had been stolen?

Without witnesses, how did they present anything to you? The DA just came in and said, "this is what happened"... and you guys decided on that without any evidence whatsoever? Just on the DA's word that something happened?

I'm sorry, but I'm still flabbergasted. I've never heard of anything like that. Somebody, at some time, had to testify to the accuracy of a report or something.

I know we're far afield from what brought this up... but I'm truly floored by your statement.

So, I'll close with this:

Mannequin, did you witness the alleged exchange between Tara and Marcus Harper.

And if so, are you prepared to testify before a grand jury that that is what you witnessed?

[fsbiii]

Maybe "Mannequin" knows that in Irwin County s/he won't have to? *LOL*

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

<insert FEP's whipping icon here>

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


They were drug cases and no witnesses testified? How is that possible?

Did they just throw you a bunch of police reports and say, "start reading"?

In a simple theft case, how could you ascertain any facts without witnesses? Heck, how could you even ascertain something had been stolen?

Without witnesses, how did they present anything to you? The DA just came in and said, "this is what happened"... and you guys decided on that without any evidence whatsoever? Just on the DA's word that something happened?

I'm sorry, but I'm still flabbergasted. I've never heard of anything like that. Somebody, at some time, had to testify to the accuracy of a report or something.

I know we're far afield from what brought this up... but I'm truly floored by your statement.

So, I'll close with this:

Mannequin, did you witness the alleged exchange between Tara and Marcus Harper.

And if so, are you prepared to testify before a grand jury that that is what you witnessed?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Results


Yeah .... Yeah I guess the jury for Andrea Yates were wrong too huh? She was found not guilty by another jury!! Imagine that admiting you killed your kids and you get not guilty by reason of insanity and not just 1 kid by drowning 5 KIDS BY DROWNING! I just pray that I never have to be on trial with the way jury verdicts are going. OJ Simpson everyone thinks he got away with murder...jury found him not guilty but to this day most people proclaim that he is guilty. Robert Blake jury found him not guilty .... most people thinks he is guilty. Lets not forget Michael Jackson found not guilty by his jurors and the world proclaims that he is guilty. So, I can understand defending someone that was found guilty if you think that they are innocent. We have seen so many shocking verdicts according to the media and the public. JMHO

If I had to take a guess, Paula probably thinks Andrea's ex-husband Rusty, is the guilty one and he should be on death row while Andrea is hailed a hero for having to put up with him.

Just a guess. It would be her M.O. All men are guilty.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


If I had to take a guess, Paula probably thinks Andrea's ex-husband Rusty, is the guilty one and he should be on death row while Andrea is hailed a hero for having to put up with him.

Just a guess. It would be her M.O. All men are guilty. She was in full force defending Mary Winkler for shooting her husband until Mary's statement came out. Before the statement, she thought it was domestic abuse. Why now she is just a coldblooded killer. LOL Have you checked the yates board for her laverita posts?

Laverita
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I just heard Catherine Crier say that Rusty Yates, after Andrea killed the children, said "She finally did it". Now, THAT is a scary comment. Why he isn't being held responsible for, at the very least, child endangerment is beyond me!



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Laverita
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If Andrea Yates truly believed, that the only way to save her children's souls, was to kill them, I believe that constitues being legally insane, since she didn't know it was wrong to kill them, and in fact thought it was the right thing to do.



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Mind you she blamed Jennifer wilbanks fiance as well.




:rolleyes:

I could go on but I am sure you get the picture.

[fsbiii]

Ok. I'll bite. Who is Laverita? I think I know, but confirmation would be sweet.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Ok. I'll bite. Who is Laverita? I think I know, but confirmation would be sweet.

Welll, please share. I have no clue.

[Babes]

Originally posted by BikerBabe


XWorld.Org .. servername xworld.bluemoon.net or irc.xworld.org .. but I'm not active in there right now. The only channels active are a few longtime ones. One of my OPers is keeping an eye on the place. I only drop in on rare occasions or when asked to meet someone in there. (Idunno knows how to find me almost all the time.)

When I have a day that I'm up to it, I work on the webpage and then will start looking for people to train as OPers in the future. Then we will get active again in there, if interest is shown and I am not so sick.

Feel free to stop in there and take a look around if you'd like. I more than likely won't be in my channel though, although my bot may be there. (Umm, should you make the mistake of getting him talkative, say 'Shutup WldAnimal' and he will quit talking. LOL.)

Thanks. I have one too but it caters to the filipino community . IRC is nearing its death so we are concentrating more on the website and luckily we got more people chatting in the forum rather than in the irc LOL ...

[Babes]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I don't think Tara just ran away,.FWIIW. I think there are others complicite.

Until and if we ever know. And if Tara is ever found it will be a guessing game.

So many people are missing.But in this case there are pieces of the puzzle that are relevant just no one steps up to the plate.

I know she is within our grasps and I will see this to the end.

My heart says she's alive but not my mind. I dont think she ran away either. Case is very complicated because she's not a simple person. She communicate with many different people in different areas. But i have a feeling that one day, someone will be bothered by their conscience and will start talking on what really happen here or that person responsible will take it to his grave....

This case wont be solved if they dont want to look on different options and angles. Evidences are tainted. Rumors flying and worst of all many people we discussed on this case have their own personal agenda. It is sad that one day this case will be filed as a "cold case" and LE will not have a budget to continue it's search for her



:(

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
[:rolleyes:

I could go on but I am sure you get the picture. [/B]

:no:



play nice........please?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by simply quiet


:no:



play nice........please?

;)

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
MH, calling Tara that name, because she was with another guy, after MH himself claimed that he encouraged Tara to go out with other men, is a contradiction, and a display of jealousy - an often dangerous emotion.

You wish to speculate that others might have called Tara worse names, or done worse things to her. I don't know about the others, but I do know about MH.

HEY PAULA, Just catching up on some reading and found your post to be very interesting ! " I don't know about the others, but I do know about MH."

If you would please share what you know about MH I think that many of us would truly appreciate it ! There have been so many accusations that it would be wonderful to hear from someone who actually knows!

Would you PLEASE document exactly what "name" that he called Tara while she was with another guy ? I would just like for you to state this for the record,,, again,, what you know that MH called Tara or for that matter, ALL THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT MH ... Your help would be greatly appreciated,, especially in lieu of the fact that YOU are the only one that knows this for a FACT!

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You can deny it all you want to, but I believe you are lm2lp, and sogalady. And I don't believe you're a female either.

I never claimed to KNOW anything. My posts are my opinions, and are stated as such.

If I choose not to believe something, or I consider someone a POI, that's my prerogative.

IMO

That's not quite accurate.

Your post stated this:

Originally posted by Hey Paula

MH, calling Tara that name, because she was with another guy, after MH himself claimed that he encouraged Tara to go out with other men, is a contradiction, and a display of jealousy - an often dangerous emotion.

You wish to speculate that others might have called Tara worse names, or done worse things to her. I don't know about the others, but I do know about MH.

You didn't state you "believe" or it's "your opinion" that Marcus said this. You said you know he did. How do you know he did? Or are you just speculating along with the people you were chiding for speculating?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I hope FW reads your posts.

You have attacked me over and over again. Out of the blue and without cause, simply because you don't like my opinions in this case.

You make this board a very unpleasant posting experience for me, and other posters as well.

IMO

I think it comes to a credibility factor.

It is a FACT that you posted as laquella after your Paula nickname was inadvertently banned one time.

And while posting as laquella, you praised HeyPaula and told her what a knowledgable and informative poster she was and how you enjoyed reading her posts.

All the meantime you were talking about yourself in the third person.

Can you understand why some people might take issue with that and the credibility problem it poses?

[simply quiet]

Wow....I get so squirmy when I see friends fight. And I try to stay out of it.

But

Paula....I am 100% sure Fsbii is not PUP.

I wish us old time CTV peeps could just talk about this case and not bring up past differences.

Paula is an old friend of mine, but we are on different sides of this case.

BD and PUP were on the OTHER side of the Peterson case as I was, but we are fine on this case.

I hope if nerves are raw, then agree to ignore.

:rose:

[TuscanDreams]

JMO, who forkin' cares who is posting under what name? Let's face the facts in this case and move on with the issue at hand: Where is Tara and what can be done to help find her?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
JMO, who forkin' cares who is posting under what name? Let's face the facts in this case and move on with the issue at hand: Where is Tara and what can be done to help find her?

Thank you......lets get back on topic.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by fsbiii
They don't. They simply would say, "I was there, and I saw it."

Notice that hasn't been done--and won't be.


Maybe Tara told her. How could that be backed up with "A LINK" ? I don't recall everyone stating something here backing it up with a link, but that's just a GUESS of mine as to maybe it was Tara that told her.

[singlesix]

I hope you aren't serious about shooting through a door at a noise outside. That would be totallly irresponsible and just plain foolish. For all you know it's some Girl Scout selling cookies or a pregnant woman whose car broke down in front of your house.

singlesix
NRA Endowment Member
Member www.vcdl.org

(edited to fix a word or two)

[singlesix]

"because if I hear a noise outside my house I will shoot"

You said outside your house, not inside the garage. You still shouldn't shoot without identifying your target. Argue all you want, but it's not a wise thing to do. Ask around.

How how the heck did you hit a foot-tall animal shooting through the door? Were you aiming at the bad guy's ankles? And it's a good thing you didn't hit a gas tank or gas can. Strange things happen when you don't know what you're shooting at.

singlesix

[Esah]

Thank you Results for the nice words!

I have gotten some new info, but I am not going to post it publicly this time. I am doing things a bit different. It wouldn't take a psychic to figure out that maybe the man who took Tara is reading here and at Talk Tara. That makes him very informed. Especially with all of the great sleuthers we have posting as well. Heck, he is probably one of our favorite trouble makers!!

I hope that Tara is found and by a psychic, mainly because I feel that there are a lot of good psychics out there. Of course there are a few pseudo-psychics too! But it would make my heart sing, if a real psychic found Tara and brought her back home. It would still make my heart sing if anyone else did too, of course.

I am humbled at Results' posting and I hope that I am really tuned in to Tara. It sure feels right when I do. Only time will tell, I guess.

I am still learning the art of fine tuning this gift! The one question that I still have is how different psychics can have such complete different details on the same missing person. One can see Tara murdered and another alive (which is what I get). How opposite can you get?

Results gave me a thought last week about this topic. They said that we are seeing different sides to Tara. (ie. the ego, the personality, and the spirit/soul).

If you think about it, that does make sense. I am a very different person to the public than I am deep inside. Just as you are too. We present a certain persona to people and yet many times we are living a much different reality in private.

I want everyone to be right, I guess! So in order for that to be possible, then the one who sees Tara as having passed, could be picking up on the "lifestyle" that Tara was living. She could now be living a very different life than before and it would 'feel' like a death to a psychic. Any thoughts on this?

In closing, one thing that I can say about my own visions, is that in every single case that I have worked on in the past, I have always received accurate info regarding whether the person was alive or not. I have worked on about a dozen cases. Other details have been wrong, but that one hasn't.

Esah

[Babes]

Everyone is debating about the LINk ... here is the Link (http://media2.ugoto.com/pictures/another-ugly-facial-expression-eb3.jpg/)

Not to offend anyone about that link but i havent heard anything new yet...so let's just move on :D

[crytheblues]

Babes,

You crack me up!!!!


Originally posted by Babes
Everyone is debating about the LINk ... here is the Link (http://media2.ugoto.com/pictures/another-ugly-facial-expression-eb3.jpg/)

Not to offend anyone about that link but i havent heard anything new yet...so let's just move on :D

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Babes
Everyone is debating about the LINk ... here is the Link (http://media2.ugoto.com/pictures/another-ugly-facial-expression-eb3.jpg/)

Not to offend anyone about that link but i havent heard anything new yet...so let's just move on :D

Glad you are back.

[Babes]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Glad you are back.

Too busy at work. Sometimes i get updates from NancyNC here at yahoo...Anything new?

[BroadwayJoe]

So, how about those Cubs?
:)

[scubadvr99]

Originally posted by Babes
Everyone is debating about the LINk ... here is the Link (http://media2.ugoto.com/pictures/another-ugly-facial-expression-eb3.jpg/)

Not to offend anyone about that link but i havent heard anything new yet...so let's just move on :D


:lol:

Good one babes

:beer:

[fsbiii]

This is that old info that bugged me last night. I'd like Hey Paula to explain, if she can. Credibility goes a long way with me, especially when someone is "back" to rekindle things and seemingly has forgotten how they got there, IMO. A few people nudged me on this, and I went & found it. Let's see if it has any meaning or not........

I think it comes to a credibility factor.

It is a FACT that you posted as laquella after your Paula nickname was inadvertently banned one time.

And while posting as laquella, you praised HeyPaula and told her what a knowledgable and informative poster she was and how you enjoyed reading her posts.

All the meantime you were talking about yourself in the third person.

Can you understand why some people might take issue with that and the credibility problem it poses?

[Its just me]

This is that old info that bugged me last night. I'd like Hey Paula to explain, if she can. Credibility goes a long way with me, especially when someone is "back" to rekindle things and seemingly has forgotten how they got there, IMO. A few people nudged me on this, and I went & found it. Let's see if it has any meaning or not........

I feel as if I gave Hey Paula my all in being kind and answering questions in the best way I am capable. If I am going to continue to do this I would appreciate some kind of explaination because I remember BFD well on the TT board and he gained 100% of my respect. IJM

[fsbiii]

I agree. If Paula wants to be upfront and have friendly exchanges or be civil across the board, I'd like to know if we should expect anything like this to occur here on Tara's board.

I feel as if I gave Hey Paula my all in being kind and answering questions in the best way I am capable. If I am going to continue to do this I would appreciate some kind of explaination because I remember BFD well on the TT board and he gained 100% of my respect. IJM

[Results]

fsbiii quote:
This is that old info that bugged me last night. I'd like Hey Paula to explain, if she can. Credibility goes a long way with me, especially when someone is "back" to rekindle things and seemingly has forgotten how they got there, IMO. A few people nudged me on this, and I went & found it. Let's see if it has any meaning or not........


Quote:
Originally Posted by BFD - v2.0
I think it comes to a credibility factor.

It is a FACT that you posted as laquella after your Paula nickname was inadvertently banned one time.

And while posting as laquella, you praised HeyPaula and told her what a knowledgable and informative poster she was and how you enjoyed reading her posts.

All the meantime you were talking about yourself in the third person.

Can you understand why some people might take issue with that and the credibility problem it poses?

Fsb, I wanted both quotes together so I c/p your whole post so I hope you don't mind. My question is if this is true is this what Hey Paula got banned for? If I read FW post about banning Talla/NewBoyInTown for using double nics she didn't like that at all. So, is this the reason Hey Paula got banned for double nic or defending herself? I will go further to say that I agree with FW that to have two nics to agree with you or to back you up and you are the same person then you have to wonder what their motives are for this type of behavior. So what if no one agrees with you but to resort to another nic and then pat youself on the back or say how wonderful that poster is in MO is very drastic measures and what purpose does it serve in helping find Tara? I would like to hear what Hey Paula has to say about this as well. JMHO

[Hey Paula]

This is that old info that bugged me last night. I'd like Hey Paula to explain, if she can. Credibility goes a long way with me, especially when someone is "back" to rekindle things and seemingly has forgotten how they got there, IMO. A few people nudged me on this, and I went & found it. Let's see if it has any meaning or not........

Let me preface this by saying that as hard as I've tried, I'm afraid I'll never understand BFD. While we sometimes had cordial PM exchanges, where he professed his respect for me, he would take on a new persona when posting to me openly in the presence of posters.

I question your credibility for dredging this issue up again. Pups, BFD and you (the unholy trinity) caused me to leave this board last time. I question your credibility when you accuse other posters of bringing "stuff" to this board which has nothing to do with this case - yet this is exactly what you're doing with this post about me. What does a nick I used years ago in the Scott Peterson case with under 100 posts, due to problems with transcripts, created by the SII group, of which BFD was part of, and still is, have to do with this case? You have chosen to dredge this up because you clearly don't want me to post here, just as you didn't want me to post here last time. Do you feel threatened by my presence here?

As you know, I was the one who openly stated I was laquella, and had used the nick because I couldn't post under the banned haypaula nick. In the laquella post I asked if anyone knew why haypaula was banned, as she posted respectfully and should not have been banned. If, in the eyes of BFD, this is praising myself, then that's his problem, not mine. I had to speak in the third person because I was banned and couldn't post under haypaula. Why is that so difficult for you, Pups and BFD to understand? It's funny that BFD should accuse me of praising myself when he seems to praise himself in so many of his posts.

In reply to BFD, no, I can't understand why some (only 3 that I know of unless others are summoned here to back up BFD, as has happened in the past) have credibility problems with me over laquella, and the need to use the nick in order to ask about haypaula because haypaula couldn't post and wanted to know why the heck she was banned for no good reason.

Had I known you would post this today, I would have never offered my friendship to you last night. You chose not to respond to that post, but instead dredge up one by BFD, which has no credence or standing with any fairminded, agenda-free person who was present when the laquella nick was required and utilized to post and learn why the haypaula nick was banned.

If everyone so desires, I will leave this board, for Tara's sake, and in the interest of decreasing the contentious aura here.

[Results]

Let me preface this by saying that as hard as I've tried, I'm afraid I'll never understand BFD. While we sometimes had cordial PM exchanges, where he professed his respect for me, he would take on a new persona when posting to me openly in the presence of posters.

I question your credibility for dredging this issue up again. Pups, BFD and you (the unholy trinity) caused me to leave this board last time. I question your credibility when you accuse other posters of bringing "stuff" to this board which has nothing to do with this case - yet this is exactly what you're doing with this post about me. What does a nick I used years ago in the Scott Peterson case with under 100 posts, due to problems with transcripts, created by the SII group, of which BFD was part of, and still is, have to do with this case? You have chosen to dredge this up because you clearly don't want me to post here, just as you didn't want me to post here last time. Do you feel threatened by my presence here?

As you know, I was the one who openly stated I was laquella, and had used the nick because I couldn't post under the banned haypaula nick. In the laquella post I asked if anyone knew why haypaula was banned, as she posted respectfully and should not have been banned. If, in the eyes of BFD, this is praising myself, then that's his problem, not mine. I had to speak in the third person because I was banned and couldn't post under haypaula. Why is that so difficult for you, Pups and BFD to understand? It's funny that BFD should accuse me of praising myself when he seems to praise himself in so many of his posts.

In reply to BFD, no, I can't understand why some (only 3 that I know of unless others are summoned here to back up BFD, as has happened in the past) have credibility problems with me over laquella, and the need to use the nick in order to ask about haypaula because haypaula couldn't post and wanted to know why the heck she was banned for no good reason.

Had I known you would post this today, I would have never offered my friendship to you last night. You chose not to respond to that post, but instead dredge up one by BFD, which has no credence or standing with any fairminded, agenda-free person who was present when the laquella nick was required and utilized to post and learn why the haypaula nick was banned.

If everyone so desires, I will leave this board, for Tara's sake, and in the interest of decreasing the contentious aura here.

OK. So this wasn't on the Tara board but the Scott Peterson board? I don't want you or anyone else to leave the Tara board that is here for Tara. If you read my post then my concern was it just happened with Talla and there is no need for double nic. I may not agree with alot of people on this board but as long as they are honest in their opinions/theories and are honestly here for Tara then I say post away and do a healthy debate and I will have the upmost respect for them. JMHO

[Its just me]

Let me preface this by saying that as hard as I've tried, I'm afraid I'll never understand BFD. While we sometimes had cordial PM exchanges, where he professed his respect for me, he would take on a new persona when posting to me openly in the presence of posters.

I question your credibility for dredging this issue up again. Pups, BFD and you (the unholy trinity) caused me to leave this board last time. I question your credibility when you accuse other posters of bringing "stuff" to this board which has nothing to do with this case - yet this is exactly what you're doing with this post about me. What does a nick I used years ago in the Scott Peterson case with under 100 posts, due to problems with transcripts, created by the SII group, of which BFD was part of, and still is, have to do with this case? You have chosen to dredge this up because you clearly don't want me to post here, just as you didn't want me to post here last time. Do you feel threatened by my presence here?

As you know, I was the one who openly stated I was laquella, and had used the nick because I couldn't post under the banned haypaula nick. In the laquella post I asked if anyone knew why haypaula was banned, as she posted respectfully and should not have been banned. If, in the eyes of BFD, this is praising myself, then that's his problem, not mine. I had to speak in the third person because I was banned and couldn't post under haypaula. Why is that so difficult for you, Pups and BFD to understand? It's funny that BFD should accuse me of praising myself when he seems to praise himself in so many of his posts.

In reply to BFD, no, I can't understand why some (only 3 that I know of unless others are summoned here to back up BFD, as has happened in the past) have credibility problems with me over laquella, and the need to use the nick in order to ask about haypaula because haypaula couldn't post and wanted to know why the heck she was banned for no good reason.

Had I known you would post this today, I would have never offered my friendship to you last night. You chose not to respond to that post, but instead dredge up one by BFD, which has no credence or standing with any fairminded, agenda-free person who was present when the laquella nick was required and utilized to post and learn why the haypaula nick was banned.

If everyone so desires, I will leave this board, for Tara's sake, and in the interest of decreasing the contentious aura here.


Thank you for your explaination. Being in a position of being banned as fep and came back and IJM I not qualified to to comment on any sincere poster's different nics. Edited to add I see no reason to leave the board. I appreciate people being upfront and honest.

IJM

[gacountry]

Let me preface this by saying that as hard as I've tried, I'm afraid I'll never understand BFD. While we sometimes had cordial PM exchanges, where he professed his respect for me, he would take on a new persona when posting to me openly in the presence of posters.

I question your credibility for dredging this issue up again. Pups, BFD and you (the unholy trinity) caused me to leave this board last time. I question your credibility when you accuse other posters of bringing "stuff" to this board which has nothing to do with this case - yet this is exactly what you're doing with this post about me. What does a nick I used years ago in the Scott Peterson case with under 100 posts, due to problems with transcripts, created by the SII group, of which BFD was part of, and still is, have to do with this case? You have chosen to dredge this up because you clearly don't want me to post here, just as you didn't want me to post here last time. Do you feel threatened by my presence here?

As you know, I was the one who openly stated I was laquella, and had used the nick because I couldn't post under the banned haypaula nick. In the laquella post I asked if anyone knew why haypaula was banned, as she posted respectfully and should not have been banned. If, in the eyes of BFD, this is praising myself, then that's his problem, not mine. I had to speak in the third person because I was banned and couldn't post under haypaula. Why is that so difficult for you, Pups and BFD to understand? It's funny that BFD should accuse me of praising myself when he seems to praise himself in so many of his posts.

In reply to BFD, no, I can't understand why some (only 3 that I know of unless others are summoned here to back up BFD, as has happened in the past) have credibility problems with me over laquella, and the need to use the nick in order to ask about haypaula because haypaula couldn't post and wanted to know why the heck she was banned for no good reason.

Had I known you would post this today, I would have never offered my friendship to you last night. You chose not to respond to that post, but instead dredge up one by BFD, which has no credence or standing with any fairminded, agenda-free person who was present when the laquella nick was required and utilized to post and learn why the haypaula nick was banned.

If everyone so desires, I will leave this board, for Tara's sake, and in the interest of decreasing the contentious aura here.

Please stay, I hate to see all good posters thrown out with the wash water and we have seen way to much of that of late. You have been a breath of fresh air and posters have returned and offered opinions and information. STAY

[Hey Paula]

OK. So this wasn't on the Tara board but the Scott Peterson board? I don't want you or anyone else to leave the Tara board that is here for Tara. If you read my post then my concern was it just happened with Talla and there is no need for double nic. I may not agree with alot of people on this board but as long as they are honest in their opinions/theories and are honestly here for Tara then I say post away and do a healthy debate and I will have the upmost respect for them. JMHO

Thanks for your reply, Results.

I hadn't read your prior post, or I would have responded to it.

I don't post simultaneously with double nicks. One of my board buddies suggested I create that other nick in order to settle a problem we were having at CTV with acquiring and utilizing paid transcripts, since the SP trial wasn't televised. I don't like when anyone plays games on these boards, because the cases involve real people and real crime victims, and it is a true disservice to them when posters do this. I post honestly and openly on every board and case I follow, and post my true opinions, even if it goes against the majority. I had completely forgotten about the laquella nick, since it had only been used for a single purpose and then forgotten about. I was reminded about it when I was unfairly banned.

If you are so inclined, I invite you to search my posts here and at CTV. My agenda is clear in all of them. I am always searching for the truth and for justice to be properly served for victims of crime.

[Hey Paula]

I feel as if I gave Hey Paula my all in being kind and answering questions in the best way I am capable. If I am going to continue to do this I would appreciate some kind of explaination because I remember BFD well on the TT board and he gained 100% of my respect. IJM

I have very much enjoyed reading your posts and exchanging mine with you, IJM!

In all of your posts, you come across as a kind, compassionate and sincere person. I will believe that whether or not we agree on issues. As I've stated previously, the true test of respect lies in disagreement, just as being there for someone in bad times, is the true test of friendship.

IMO

[fsbiii]

Okay. Just to be clear. You created a new nic and posted questions about why your other nic was banned? You totally lost me there. That seems a wee bit strange, and I think that is what BFD was pointing out.

If you haven't figured me out yet, I don't care who posts here, who leaves, or who you really are underneath your nic(s). My problem with people (like you) is a perceived fakeness that is, in your case, actually backed up by the Laquella incident.

Like I said, I'm not gonna lose sleep over being your friend or friendly to/from you. And please don't imply that anyone "summoned" up that post or that I or anyone is looking for BFD/Labs to come back here and go after you. No, not at all. Someone pm'd me to ask about the "real reason" you quit posting on Tara's board after you posted that "woe is me, I was forced to leave" propaganda yesterday or the day before. They didn't buy it, neither did I. So I went looking. And that's what I found.

Now I will imply something myself. Your "return" and the 2-3 "welcome backs" all did seem a bit contrived and "summoned" IMO. Perhaps you just stumbled back on your own, but it seemed like you were asked to come back and start doing what you were doing before (perhaps knowing BFD and Labs weren't participating here)? Maybe I'm wrong. I really don't care.

You do your thing, I'll do mine.

[fsbiii]

I also think you calling me, BFD, and Labs "unholy" shows just how diluted you probably are in reality. And no one "forced" you to stop posting here, especially me. Adults make their own decisions, don't they? I think you and TallaTonight would've been great friends if she hadn't been banned. She's probably back with one of the more clever nics the past 2 days, so maybe you 2 can join forces and be "victims" together here.

[Hey Paula]

Please stay, I hate to see all good posters thrown out with the wash water and we have seen way to much of that of late. You have been a breath of fresh air and posters have returned and offered opinions and information. STAY

Hi GaC!

I will do whatever benefits this board and keeping this forum intact for Tara. I don't want a repeat performance of last time, and if this keeps happening, where I am challenged to defend something so ridiculous, which disrupts this board, then it might be best for me to leave for Tara's sake.

For now, after again responding to the same BFD post as I did the last go-round, I will continue to post here, hoping this issue will finally be laid to rest, since laquella was born, with a sole purpose in mind, in 2002, and laid to rest shorly thereafter. It's such an old explainable, but apparently never forgotten issue by some.

[fsbiii]

For the record, I don't want you to "go" either. I just wanted people to be fully aware of your track record in light of your seemingly new desire to approach everything "anew." Some things IMO aren't just "explainable" and to be dismissed. We all have our opinions of other posters here, and I appreciate being informed on any issue.

[Its just me]

I have very much enjoyed reading your posts and exchanging mine with you, IJM!

In all of your posts, you come across as a kind, compassionate and sincere person. I will believe that whether or not we agree on issues. As I've stated previously, the true test of respect lies in disagreement, just as being there for someone in bad times, is the true test of friendship.

IMO

Thank you the same here. I am a very sincere person but as time goes along you will see me at times being not so kind especially when I have a strong opinion on a subject. I hope that never interferes with anyone discussing things and if it does just ignore my strong opinion and keep moving forward. I have much compassion especially for Tara's case, which was initiated from things in my personal life but none-the less much compassion.
This case has much history with nics, some as simple troublemakers, some as double nics, some being accused of being someone one else (nic X is also nic Z) and many many problems. Some have been through hell with their personal lives brought into this case, businesses threatened and the story is almost endless. It appears you have missed a lot in this case so you probably know little of this history but there are some people here that have stood the ground and refuse to allow Tara’s board to be destroyed by things like we have faced in the past. Sincere posters are still here and new or people like you who return will also remain if they are sincere and have Tara at heart. Of course we will continue to face the things that disrupt and create problems in life on a message board. Oh Me if my real life was this hectic. IJM

[BroadwayJoe]

I also think you calling me, BFD, and Labs "unholy" shows just how diluted you probably are in reality. And no one "forced" you to stop posting here, especially me. Adults make their own decisions, don't they? I think you and TallaTonight would've been great friends if she hadn't been banned. She's probably back with one of the more clever nics the past 2 days, so maybe you 2 can join forces and be "victims" together here.
fsbiii, for Tara's sake, if for no other reason, give it a rest. I am very happy to see Paula back posting, even though I rarely post of late. I got up early today to catch up on reading this board, and most of it is over the top debating about things that have no significance to finding Tara Grinstead. Paula has always brought interesting posts to this board and is an intelligent and caring poster. I've always thought her heart was in the right place where cases are concerned, and consider her very sincere. And FWIW, I know for a fact the girl isn't a man hater. ;) Leave her alone and let her post. It looks like this board needs some fresh ideas anyway. JMHO.

[fsbiii]

I swear on everything holy, I was told JUST this morning "Look out for Broadway Joe to come in and post something supporting Paula real quick." If I am lying, I am dying.

I have no idea who is who or what is what, but this is just a weird, weird place in the all together. Weird isn't the right word, but it's the best I can do.

As I said, Paula can do what she wants, so will I. No more requests or fuel needed between the two of us.

I think I'll go for a lil' bit and come back later.

fsbiii, for Tara's sake, if for no other reason, give it a rest. I am very happy to see Paula back posting, even though I rarely post of late. I got up early today to catch up on reading this board, and most of it is over the top debating about things that have no significance to finding Tara Grinstead. Paula has always brought interesting posts to this board and is an intelligent and caring poster. I've always thought her heart was in the right place where cases are concerned, and consider her very sincere. And FWIW, I know for a fact the girl isn't a man hater. ;) Leave her alone and let her post. It looks like this board needs some fresh ideas anyway. JMHO.

[dixinites]

Now I will imply something myself. Your "return" and the 2-3 "welcome backs" all did seem a bit contrived and "summoned" IMO. Perhaps you just stumbled back on your own, but it seemed like you were asked to come back and start doing what you were doing before (perhaps knowing BFD and Labs weren't participating here)? Maybe I'm wrong. I really don't care.

You do your thing, I'll do mine.

Contrived is a good description...I hope all the handshaking, back-slappin' and hi-fivin' is done. With a little luck, maybe all the "invitees" have RSVP'd and we can get back to discussing Tara's case.

[Hey Paula]

For the record, I don't want you to "go" either. I just wanted people to be fully aware of your track record in light of your seemingly new desire to approach everything "anew." Some things IMO aren't just "explainable" and to be dismissed. We all have our opinions of other posters here, and I appreciate being informed on any issue.

I find your post disingenous. You either truly want me to go, or are attempting to have other posters question my credibility, or you would not have resurrected BFD's post.

Hence, I invite everyone, who is interested in my "track record" and "credibility" to search all of my posts, here at CL and also at CTV, as each speaks for itself as to my presence and motive on these boards.

I am truly sorry I began posting here again, as once again, you have made it an extremely unpleasant experience. It started with one post on the prayer thread, and it apparently should have ended there, as I seem to ruffle your feathers, as I seemed to ruffle those of BFD and Pups. Now that's an issue worth exploring!

IMO

[Its just me]

fsbiii, for Tara's sake, if for no other reason, give it a rest. I am very happy to see Paula back posting, even though I rarely post of late. I got up early today to catch up on reading this board, and most of it is over the top debating about things that have no significance to finding Tara Grinstead. Paula has always brought interesting posts to this board and is an intelligent and caring poster. I've always thought her heart was in the right place where cases are concerned, and consider her very sincere. And FWIW, I know for a fact the girl isn't a man hater. ;) Leave her alone and let her post. It looks like this board needs some fresh ideas anyway. JMHO.

Welcome back Broadway Joe, I know you keep up with the board and it's been a while since you posted and there has been some interesting discussing in between some off topic posting. Do you have any opinions of these discussions or fresh ideas. IJM

[fsbiii]

WOE IS ME. Get over yourself, Paula. I'm not ruffled by you one bit, no matter how you spin it. I think you're now just begging for people to beg you to stay. What's the point? Stay. Post. Debate. Why keep on with this? I made my point, and you did a great job of responding. I think your credibility, and everyone else's, is certainly a worthwhile subject. Why shouldn't it be? Just carry on, ignore me, debate with me, or whatever you want. No need to keep on with the pity party, IMO.

I find your post disingenous. You either truly want me to go, or are attempting to have other posters question my credibility, or you would not have resurrected BFD's post.

Hence, I invite everyone, who is interested in my "track record" and "credibility" to search all of my posts, here at CL and also at CTV, as each speaks for itself as to my presence and motive on these boards.

I am truly sorry I began posting here again, as once again, you have made it an extremely unpleasant experience. It started with one post on the prayer thread, and it apparently should have ended there, as I seem to ruffle your feathers, as I seemed to ruffle those of BFD and Pups. Now that's an issue worth exploring!

IMO

[BroadwayJoe]

I swear on everything holy, I was told JUST this morning "Look out for Broadway Joe to come in and post something supporting Paula real quick." If I am lying, I am dying.

I have no idea who is who or what is what, but this is just a weird, weird place in the all together. Weird isn't the right word, but it's the best I can do.

As I said, Paula can do what she wants, so will I. No more requests or fuel needed between the two of us.

I think I'll go for a lil' bit and come back later.
LOL fsbiii, you made me laugh out loud (thank you) because I use that same phrase all the time... but I swear on everything that's holy (or unholy?) that NO ONE invited me back. I DO enjoy Paula's posts and just wanted to add my thoughts this morning. I SWEAR TO GOD IF I'M LYING I'M DYING. I mean it. And to prove it, I'm leaving too. Just came in to read. Really! Let's go have a beer and talk about man haters! It could be fun.
:beer:

[Hey Paula]

LOL fsbiii, you made me laugh out loud (thank you) because I use that same phrase all the time... but I swear on everything that's holy (or unholy?) that NO ONE invited me back. I DO enjoy Paula's posts and just wanted to add my thoughts this morning. I SWEAR TO GOD IF I'M LYING I'M DYING. I mean it. And to prove it, I'm leaving too. Just came in to read. Really! Let's go have a beer and talk about man haters! It could be fun.
:beer:

I can't let you go without saying hello Joe! :seeya:

I've thought about you and wondered how you've been.

Thanks for stopping by, joining my "pity party" hosted by fsbiii, and posting on my behalf. You and I both know it wasn't a prearranged meeting, and that's all that matters! :)

[Its just me]

LOL fsbiii, you made me laugh out loud (thank you) because I use that same phrase all the time... but I swear on everything that's holy (or unholy?) that NO ONE invited me back. I DO enjoy Paula's posts and just wanted to add my thoughts this morning. I SWEAR TO GOD IF I'M LYING I'M DYING. I mean it. And to prove it, I'm leaving too. Just came in to read. Really! Let's go have a beer and talk about man haters! It could be fun.
:beer:

Go if you must but I was hoping for some new ideas or comments on recent discussions brought to our attention by Results. Maybe another day. Don't drink and drive it's against the law in Georgia. :D IJM

[Brainstorm]

I think some of you need a message board to ***** about message boards, IMO.

good LORD, I can see why PNut and others may need a break.Seems we're
in a rut here.....
when you all get your personal gripes and irratations soothed,over all these hurt feelings,etc. then maybe we can MOve on.
Thank God I wasnt here,and dont KNOW...............and I DONT NEED OR WANT TO KNOW......(who did what,who said what,etc)

I JUST WANT TO HELP FIND TARA..........and then ENJOY watching the perp
GO DOWN.............
jmho

[dixinites]

I think some of you need a message board to ***** about message boards, IMO.

good LORD, I can see why PNut and others may need a break.Seems we're
in a rut here.....
when you all get your personal gripes and irratations soothed,over all these hurt feelings,etc. then maybe we can MOve on.
Thank God I wasnt here,and dont KNOW...............and I DONT NEED OR WANT TO KNOW......(who did what,who said what,etc)

I JUST WANT TO HELP FIND TARA..........and then ENJOY watching the perp
GO DOWN.............
jmho

Yep, BStorm, maybe we need a thread title:

ANYTHING NEW??? (And it's not about YOU!)"

[Hey Paula]

Yep, BStorm, maybe we need a thread title:

ANYTHING NEW??? (And it's not about YOU!)"

I agree with you and Brainstorm, and wonder why fsbiii resurrected this thread and made it about me, or perhaps himself?

I know you and Brainstorm don't expect me to sit idly by and not defend myself. If I did that, you wouldn't think much of me or my credibility, would you?

[dixinites]

I agree with you and Brainstorm, and wonder why fsbiii resurrected this thread and made it about me, or perhaps himself?

I know you and Brainstorm don't expect me to sit idly by and not defend myself. If I did that, you wouldn't think much of me or my credibility, would you?

Actually, I wasn't referring to you, specifically...there has been alot of whining and finger pointing going on lately. I just wish we had something new to discuss regarding Tara's case and that we didn't have to listen to all the personal issues. But please feel free to defend yourself, should you feel it necessary!

[Brainstorm]

Yep, BStorm, maybe we need a thread title:

ANYTHING NEW??? (And it's not about YOU!)"

I got the message board blues.I keep coming here,hoping for SOMETHING !!
a clue,of where to go look......
but all I get is the message board blues. IMO

I am so ready to get out of here!!!!!
jmho

[Its just me]

Actually, I wasn't referring to you, specifically...there has been alot of whining and finger pointing going on lately. I just wish we had something new to discuss regarding Tara's case and that we didn't have to listen to all the personal issues. But please feel free to defend yourself, should you feel it necessary!

I know I am guilty of adding fuel to the fires so I offer my apology to all. Trust me I have not been offended. Just some common sense passed my way. IJM

[dixinites]

I got the message board blues.I keep coming here,hoping for SOMETHING !!
a clue,of where to go look......
but all I get is the message board blues. IMO

I am so ready to get out of here!!!!!
jmho

Well, I think your idea of speaking with the "pond house" owners was a good one. I personally don't think there is any connection there to Tara's case, but HEY, it's something to do! Maybe even ck with IJM on that other property owner that was never contacted and try to line something up...I know you're just itchin', lol.

[odette]

Contrived is a good description...I hope all the handshaking, back-slappin' and hi-fivin' is done. With a little luck, maybe all the "invitees" have RSVP'd and we can get back to discussing Tara's case.

Hear Hear!! .. ITA dixi ..

JMHO

[dixinites]

I know I am guilty of adding fuel to the fires so I offer my apology to all. Trust me I have not been offended. Just some common sense passed my way. IJM

Many are "guilty" IJM, of fueling the fires, myself included. It seems that once one of these exchanges get started, everyone wants to have the last word and it goes on, and on, and on...It's just my opinion, FWIW, that when someone has a personal issue with someone, they should take it to the PM's and it should never make it to the board. There should be enough to debate with all the differing opinions on Tara's case, without bringing the grudges and accusations here for everyone to endure. That's JMO.

No need to apologize.

[Brainstorm]

Well, I think your idea of speaking with the "pond house" owners was a good one. I personally don't think there is any connection there to Tara's case, but HEY, it's something to do! Maybe even ck with IJM on that other property owner that was never contacted and try to line something up...I know you're just itchin', lol.

I really dont think its related, either,but at the time, IT WAS BIG..Tara missing,the house burning,.....it all looked,IMO, suspicious.....
and that was where they had searches, and "HITS"or alerts,from dogs, IIRC.
(around the pond)
it would be,if we get permission,DOING SOMETHING.....
jmho

[kebo]

I really dont think its related, either,but at the time, IT WAS BIG..Tara missing,the house burning,.....it all looked,IMO, suspicious.....
and that was where they had searches, and "HITS"or alerts,from dogs, IIRC.
(around the pond)
it would be,if we get permission,DOING SOMETHING.....
jmho

I am in total agreement with you, Something, Anything, needs to be done. BUT before we go with ~Open Arms~ to DogHandler (or anyone for that matter), its needs to be done right, crossing the *t's* and dotting the *i'* - - how many finds does this persons dog have? Are they certified? Is this dog HRD or just scent? We NEED a PROVEN Cadaver Dog for this, we may not get another chance, so lets make this one count for all that it is worth. DogHandler, I hope & pray your dog is of this caliber, my hats off to the folks that take the time & patience to train, train & train some more, in all conditions & terrain. But look how long (if she was there) it has been since a body may have been in that field.
Brainstorm, I too had heard of land selling out that way, but I know for a *Fact* that the trailer on the Satilla Road, right at the dirt road, Snap Dragon, WAS for sale, (I talked to the man myself - it was outta my league) AND I had *heard* that the house & land that ML was living on was for sale - never got a clear answer on that one, but did get owner's address & number to call her, but never made the call to check, especially after the amount I was quoted on the trailer & land near it. But, I never heard about the *burned house property* being for sale.

[dixinites]

I really dont think its related, either,but at the time, IT WAS BIG..Tara missing,the house burning,.....it all looked,IMO, suspicious.....
and that was where they had searches, and "HITS"or alerts,from dogs, IIRC.
(around the pond)
it would be,if we get permission,DOING SOMETHING.....
jmho

It would be worth a try. Whether it's something or nothing, at least it would put ONE issue to rest, ...lol, well, maybe.

[odette]

Tara Search Jan. 20 - 22nd - Ocilla GA

Scroll down to "Reply 18" .. there is a photo of the remains of the burnt house.

http://findcarrie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=missinga&num=1130365634&action=display&start=15

lmo

[Its just me]

I am in total agreement with you, Something, Anything, needs to be done. BUT before we go with ~Open Arms~ to DogHandler (or anyone for that matter), its needs to be done right, crossing the *t's* and dotting the *i'* - - how many finds does this persons dog have? Are they certified? Is this dog HRD or just scent? We NEED a PROVEN Cadaver Dog for this, we may not get another chance, so lets make this one count for all that it is worth. DogHandler, I hope & pray your dog is of this caliber, my hats off to the folks that take the time & patience to train, train & train some more, in all conditions & terrain. But look how long (if she was there) it has been since a body may have been in that field.
Brainstorm, I too had heard of land selling out that way, but I know for a *Fact* that the trailer on the Satilla Road, right at the dirt road, Snap Dragon, WAS for sale, (I talked to the man myself - it was outta my league) AND I had *heard* that the house & land that ML was living on was for sale - never got a clear answer on that one, but did get owner's address & number to call her, but never made the call to check, especially after the amount I was quoted on the trailer & land near it. But, I never heard about the *burned house property* being for sale.


Well Kebo I'm glad I read your post before I contacted Cheif Hancock. I spoke with DH by PM as well as Brainstrom. You appear much more professional with this than I do so I am turning this job over to you. You have the number of the land owner so it is great someone with the know how to step in. I do suggest you work with the Chief what ever direction with the dogs you go. TIA IJM and prayers the search will be productive.

[dixinites]

Well Kebo I'm glad I read your post before I contacted Cheif Hancock. I spoke with DH by PM as well as Brainstrom. You appear much more professional with this than I do so I am turning this job over to you. You have the number of the land owner so it is great someone with the know how to step in. I do suggest you work with the Chief what ever direction with the dogs you go. TIA IJM and prayers the search will be productive.

OH no, no, no! You can't get off that easy, lil Missy! (lol) Maybe DH will be so kind as to address Kebo's questions and then you and Brainstorm can continue in the direction you were already going.

No offense, Kebo, but if you have had this "knowledge of dogs" and the owner's phone numbers, I'm wondering why you haven't acted on this already.

I don't know about anyone else, but I would like to know that IJM and Brainstorm are following up on this. JMO.

[Its just me]

Many are "guilty" IJM, of fueling the fires, myself included. It seems that once one of these exchanges get started, everyone wants to have the last word and it goes on, and on, and on...It's just my opinion, FWIW, that when someone has a personal issue with someone, they should take it to the PM's and it should never make it to the board. There should be enough to debate with all the differing opinions on Tara's case, without bringing the grudges and accusations here for everyone to endure. That's JMO.

No need to apologize.

LOL dix it is never "wrong" to apologize if needed or not.

I think we are all guilty of causing distractions where its a personal agenda the silly willies or any other junk not related to Tara. I take it as life on a message board because in reading the few I have I don't see a lot of difference. Just glad it's not the way my real life works. Thanks IJM

[One2Snoop]

Tara Search Jan. 20 - 22nd - Ocilla GA

Scroll down to "Reply 18" .. there is a photo of the remains of the burnt house.

http://findcarrie.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=missinga&num=1130365634&action=display&start=15

lmo

Thanks for the link odette. I don't think I've seen that picture before. :eek: Nothing much left of the place.

[Brainstorm]

I am in total agreement with you, Something, Anything, needs to be done. BUT before we go with ~Open Arms~ to DogHandler (or anyone for that matter), its needs to be done right, crossing the *t's* and dotting the *i'* - - how many finds does this persons dog have? Are they certified? Is this dog HRD or just scent? We NEED a PROVEN Cadaver Dog for this, we may not get another chance, so lets make this one count for all that it is worth. DogHandler, I hope & pray your dog is of this caliber, my hats off to the folks that take the time & patience to train, train & train some more, in all conditions & terrain. But look how long (if she was there) it has been since a body may have been in that field.
Brainstorm, I too had heard of land selling out that way, but I know for a *Fact* that the trailer on the Satilla Road, right at the dirt road, Snap Dragon, WAS for sale, (I talked to the man myself - it was outta my league) AND I had *heard* that the house & land that ML was living on was for sale - never got a clear answer on that one, but did get owner's address & number to call her, but never made the call to check, especially after the amount I was quoted on the trailer & land near it. But, I never heard about the *burned house property* being for sale.

Its going to take me a little while to catch up,and find out what you guys are talking about today, but I needed to jump right in here and tell KEBO( or whoever else ) to GO TAKE A HIKE, IMO

IF ANYONE WANTS TO BRING A DOG OR any other HELP to SO.Ga. and help look for TARA> I WILL WELCOME THEM......(I may even welcome them with open arms, altho I'm not much of a hugger,IMO)but we'll SEE !!!!!!!!!

Now that just takes the damn cake, IMO, coming on here and starting to Question the dogs credentials.NO WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!
thats all I got to say to YOU !!!!!!

I want to help, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT we got to do this,this way,
HELL NO, come on DH,dont let this jerk stop your/our plans !!!!!!!
jmho

[kebo]

Its going to take me a little while to catch up,and find out what you guys are talking about today, but I needed to jump right in here and tell KEBO( or whoever else ) to GO TAKE A HIKE, IMO

IF ANYONE WANTS TO BRING A DOG OR any other HELP to SO.Ga. and help look for TARA> I WILL WELCOME THEM......(I may even welcome them with open arms, altho I'm not much of a hugger,IMO)but we'll SEE !!!!!!!!!

Now that just takes the damn cake, IMO, coming on here and starting to Question the dogs credentials.NO WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!
thats all I got to say to YOU !!!!!!

I want to help, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT we got to do this,this way,
HELL NO, come on DH,dont let this jerk stop your/our plans !!!!!!!
jmho

:no: I am not turning ANYONE away, BUT - ask the Doghandler's themselves - it all has to go by the book or it won't do ANY good once it gets to court.

[Brainstorm]

:no: I am not turning ANYONE away, BUT - ask the Doghandler's themselves - it all has to go by the book or it won't do ANY good once it gets to court.

okay,maybe I'm being too harsh on you,kebo.....

I'm not thinking ahead to court, I just want TARA to be found and I dont care if its my own little Jack Russell that finds her, IMO
jmho

this is real, not just a case,IMO

[kebo]

okay,maybe I'm being too harsh on you,kebo.....

I'm not thinking ahead to court, I just want TARA to be found and I dont care if its my own little Jack Russell that finds her, IMO
jmho

this is real, not just a case,IMO

ok, now maybe we are on the same track? I TOO want Tara found, if not I wouldn't have been on all the searches I've been on, either on a 4-wheeler, on foot & even on horseback - and if my little Jack/Rat could find her, I'd be tickled to death, BUT that is one of the things a handler pointed out to me, I made a remark to that affect & they let me know right quick like, *that ain't gonna happen*, so THAT is why I wanted *us* to have all the bases covered. OK?
How well I know this is real, I knew Tara & my daughter had her as a teacher. nuff said?

As Always,
Praying for Tara & Family:rose: :rose: :rose:

[One2Snoop]

Thank you Kebo for helping in Tara's search. :rose:



I expect to pass through this world but once; any good thing therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now; let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.

Ettiene De Grellet

[kebo]

Thank you Kebo for helping in Tara's search.



I expect to pass through this world but once; any good thing therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now; let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.

Ettiene De Grellet

No thanks needed, the only reason I stated those things was to hopefully let Brainstorm know where I was coming from. Anyone able to help should, none of us know when this could be OUR family.
(love the quote, good one to live by)

For Tara & Family :rose: :rose: :rose:

[gacountry]

No thanks needed, the only reason I stated those things was to hopefully let Brainstorm know where I was coming from. Anyone able to help should, none of us know when this could be OUR family.
(love the quote, good one to live by)

For Tara & Family :rose: :rose: :rose:

Kebo you are the best. Thank you for all you have done and will do. I have been with you on a search and you are one hard gal to keep up with. In my heart I feel Tara knows you are there and I know your daughter is proud of you. What is more important than that.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

We pray everyday Tara for your safe return. I never knew you, but I wish I did. Nor was I ever on thic board until you brought me here, and I thank you for it. W e miss you Tara and we want you to come home. Someone knows and are too much of a coward to say something. May God Bless you and keep you close to your angels.:rose: :rose: :rose: Blessings.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

No, it wasn't. They lived on Henderson St.Thank you.

[fsbiii]

What an odd 'thank you' for a post from 6-11-06! I just noticed this. Welcome aboard, Moon!

No, it wasn't. They lived on Henderson St.

Thank you.

[One2Snoop]

Bump :rose: