Interviews w/ People Involved & Interested

[fsbiii]

I hope Nancy Grace's ignited coverage, and U.S. Representative Jack Kingston's involvement, will open some new doors and put pressure on the guilty parties...

Kingston May Lend Federal Heft To Search For Missing Beauty Queen
Jan. 12, 2006

By Seamus McGraw

OCILLA, GA (Crime Library ) — Nearly four months after high school teacher and former beauty queen Tara Grinstead mysteriously vanished, a prominent Georgia congressman is adding his name to the roster of her supporters.

Seven-term Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican whose district includes the rural Georgia community where Tara was last seen, is scheduled to meet Jan. 24 with the missing woman's family. The purpose of the meeting is to lend support to Tara's family, said Rob Asbell, the congressman's director of communications, and also to attract media attention to the search that so far has yielded few tangible results. "If it brings attention...to the search for Tara then...that's really what he wants," Asbell said.

Kingston also plans to explore other potential areas where he might be able to lend some support, Asbell said. "There's always a chance that if there's any indication that she may have been abducted or...that whatever happened crossed state lines then he can...maybe get someone in the FBI involved."

Noting that eastern Georgia is also home to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the central training facility for the US Department of Homeland Security, Asbell said Kingston would consider the possibility of enlisting trainees to join in future searches for Grinstead. "Perhaps...he might even suggest that some of their people go over and train by searching for her, " Asbell said. "I'm not saying that it would happen, but maybe there might be something that...might help this family."

[hopeinOz]

Hi,
Did anyone catch On the Record? Greta had an interview with Tara's sister Anita and brother-in-law Larry. They were furious about rumours that Larry and Tara had an affair. They denied the affair rumours, and it was also mentioned that Larry had taken a polygraph test (i think they said he passed it).

[Zara]

I heard the only failed question on the poly was about the affair?

[BlkBeauty57]

Hummm.. that interview was something else, wasn't it?

I know I have read on the boards(not for the truth of the matter) that Tara and her sister Anita were not very close-but- hmmm...:shrug:

[Luckys_Wife]

My question is "Why are they questioning him now?" Hasn't he been questioned before? What have they found to focus thier time questioning him to the point of a polygragh being administered? During the polygragh he was asked if had had an affair with Tara.....he failed. Why did he fail? Maybe he was just nervous....but then..... If LE was accusing him of an affair after he failed the LDT then why was he nervous during the test? Something had to spark thier interest in the BIL At this point....anything is possible. IMO

[BlkBeauty57]

I agree, Lucky's_Wife:

One thing I have learned in watching and being interested in true crime cases and mysteries-nothing is impossible. You never know what the truth is.

LE has probably heard that rumour from around Ocilla and they have probably heard it from more than one person, so they had to try to get to the truth of the matter. They can't just say that's probably not true so we won't question him about this. Because if it is true that opens up a whole new avenue-a whole new can of worms. They probably asked him the question first among others and then asked him if he would be willing to take a polygraph. Evidently he agreed to take the test and he failed on that one question according to him and Anita.

Beats me why he failed that one question!:shrug:

As for why he and Anita announced it on Greta it was probably because they are trying to get ahead of maybe the fact that he failed that question-before it became public nationally. They probably wanted to put their spin on it first. The best defense is a good offense etc. or something like that.....

I'm wondering what Anita is really thinking tonight about this...considering the rumour that she and Tara were not that close anyway? If it was me I would probably be somewhat curious!

[xenaxendra]

I think that everyone is looking in the wrong direction. There is a lot of information that supposedly has not been released to the public. It is my opinion that everyone is looking too close to home. If she was taking classes, at night, in another town, I think there are a lot of leads there that have probably not been released. I'm going to lean more towards one of the earlier posts about an obsessed fellow student, or maybe just someone she came accross or even met briefly, pumping gas, or grabbing a quick bottle of water before class. She may have never given it a second thought, but who knows..................
Just a thought.........:rolleyes:

[Atok]

I look close to home until it's weeded out, then I move in circles of interest around her life areas and this would include the college classes. From there I'd move on to tangental connections and then random acts and people of suspicion known.

LE should have exhausted all the close to home leads by now and ought to have been moving through the life areas for some time now. The fact that little was done to reach the collegemates before the semester closed seems to be a real faux pas. The BIL was over at the campus early on becuase he said he felt LE wasn't looking there fast enough either.

The way we treat missing people is backwards IMO.
I wish we assumed a missing person's residence was a crime scene until proven otherwise. This would have preserved alot of now contaminated areas; in this and many other cases. It would help with prosecution when someone is found, now everything is all messed with.

I have the same opinion on organ donation, why aren't we all automatically donors unless we state "NO" on our license? We'd have a lot more organs to save lives with.

[Whatisgoingon]

Well, I feel like there is something to it. How do you fail one question on a lie detecter. On another board it was posted that the Investigator leaked the info. I hate to believe it but honestly, I think there may be some truth to it. I dont know any of them, but you just dong get suspected of something like that. Does he have a criminal backgound, has any one thought to check him out? I think that this may have opened a whole can of worms. He probably would have been better off not doing that interview. Jmo.

[SageRatched :-)]

Im stumped on this one. I caught the GVS interview on the rerun, at 1 this morning. I can't put my finger on it but something just doesn't seem right. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors in people's homes. I do think his background needs checked more closely, before ruling him out altogether.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by SageRatched :-)
Im stumped on this one. I caught the GVS interview on the rerun, at 1 this morning. I can't put my finger on it but something just doesn't seem right. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors in people's homes. I do think his background needs checked more closely, before ruling him out altogether.

I feel the same way. I tried not to post on this forum because I don't want to point fingers on the family if they are innocent but the BIL acted very cocky and tried to be overly convincing that he did not have an affair with her and that he was being "victimized" by law enforcement. Something just didn't seem right about that interview. I hope I'm wrong.

Did anyone else notice the photo the showed of Tara with a male person at the pageant she was in. It looked like the BIL with his arm around her waist. Maybe that family is really close but I can't see myself posing with just my brother in law :confused:

[muipeso]

This is very deep and weighs heavy on what is going on behind the scenes.
Do you remember that right up fornt on day one, the SIS asked MH "what did you do with my sister"? Well IMO this attack on the BIL is related to that incident, and also to the fact BIL hit out on his own without LE sanctions to interview students at Valdosta college. LE is furious about that. The fact that MH lawyered up from day one is also very relevant to this eppisode with the BIL
Just MO

[concernedperson]

I actually believe this is more of a coverup than before.Why, I don't know.I have always believed in GBI. I have always believed them to be totally responsible.I have looked at them for the most horrific crimes. I always trusted them. Please don't make me eat my words as I want them on my side.

[Whatisgoingon]

Ok, I posted this on theories, I cant seem to find which thread is talking about this. Why would they collect his DNA. I mean he was in the house before the LE came and they dont have a body? I was thinking and what if they did in fact find DNA on that glove? Not saying he did it, but what if that is why they collected DNA? Anyway wether he had an affair with her or not, he would have been better off not giving that interview. I dont think it flattered him in any way. I am torn. The more and more things come about the more I am confused. They always say behind each rumor is an inch of truth.

[Whatisgoingon]

They never said anything about the glove. But I was wondering the glove being medical related and him being a doctor, I just was wondering if that may have been why they collected DNA.

[Whatisgoingon]

Well, I use to help girls in pageants in Atlanta, and one thing you never do, is color your hair the day of the pageant. I know, I really hate to think that he had anything to do with it, and even if they did have an affair, that doesn't mean he had something to do with her dissapearance. Did anyone notice on his interview when he said that he has benn inter viewed 3 times and he is not sure, but doesnt think Anita had been interviewed. How would he be not sure.

[Irwinmom]

Hi! Just wanted to respond to gloves being used the day of the pageant. Tara helped my daughter that day and while we were there, no gloves were used!:)

[Whatisgoingon]

Irwin, what are your thoughts? What is everyone saying down there?

[Irwinmom]

There are so many rumors flying around! Alot of what you are reading and I am just as unsure as most. I know when we were there at her house, Tara was happy and very much planning to be around on Monday. We said goodbye after the pageant and I just can't believe that she is gone!

[readingperson]

Originally posted by Candace
All this BIL stuff is taking away the focus of the real culprit, the long-term BF, who was wanting her out of his life..The last straw was Tara banging on his window...The BF was in cahoots with LE. Now LE is grabbing for straws.. The BF should be requestioned. IMO. Not accusing him of murder, but I do think he knows more than he is saying.


I haven't been following this case as well as I wanted to. This is an interesting observation. I saw Greta's program last night and was perplexed by the BIL's interview, although I don't think he did this, at least at this point. I did see the former boyfriend's interview (don't remember his name now) a few months back, and I wasn't too impressed with him. However, I'm not sure why LE would cover for him. Is he or his family a prominent member of the community? I don't know why they would be in cahoots with him, but I may be out of the loop with this, as I haven't been closely following this case. Did you mean LE is grasping at anything to keep things going at this point, or do you really think they are protecting the former boyfriend? Like all of you, I just wish the family had some answers at this point.

[Atok]

Thank you for posting to us, Candace, about your personal feelings. I hope your daughter and the other girls are doing the best they can considering.

I think it's helpful to hear from people who were with her that day. When they say that she was happy and not indicating anything but normalcy we can throw any thoughts of self-designed disappearance out the window.

I never thought she left of her own free will anyway.

I've got a personal sort of question maybe you or your daughter could answer since you were at the house that day.

I am trying to ascertain if it was one of the girls or Tara who may have been having her period that weekend. Products were in Tara's trash. Kind of tacky to ask, I know, but it can eliminate a train of thought for some of us if we know for a fact that Tara was not potentially pregnant.

Some people have theorized news of a pregnancy could have upset one of the men in her life.

[Irwinmom]

I guess everyone has different opinions. Some tell me that they lean toward the boyfriend. Others think that the married police officer still concerns them because of all the phone calls. I think everyone feels that it is not a random act. Not much has been said about the BIL. No one has said anything about believing that Mr. P is involved. He is the only one that I know pretty well. I know that he and his wife loved Tara and both spent time with her. I don't know if Tara talked to any of the girls about anything personal. Our community sure does need some answers!! The young people are hurting alot! :( :(

[Irwinmom]

Atok, Are you asking me or Candace ?

[Atok]

Oops I meant my post to Irwinmom, on the personal products question.

It's late.

There were a long string of posts that went into speculation about JP. I posted several questions awhile back that were addressed primarily by a resident of the community.

I have one by one posted on each person of interest, not always on this board.
Just trying to get my facts straight and delete erroneous gossip when I can. It kind of feels pointless trying to do this becuase I don't have any LE information, I'm nobody but a sleuth poster. I just keep hoping that an unbiased pair of eyes might see something that's being overlooked, something that can make the difference for this case.

[BlkBeauty57]

The GBI probably already has the results of the glove and if they are anything like the FBI- I doubt they will release what if any results they got to the public.

Especially if they got results back that implicates someone- they are still investigating-they will just add it to their arsenal of evidence to use in a prosecution.

So, they probably have the results of the glove in their possession and they probably won't release those results to the public until they get to court.

[Irwinmom]

Originally posted by Atok
Oops I meant my post to Irwinmom, on the personal products question.

It's late.

There were a long string of posts that went into speculation about JP. I posted several questions awhile back that were addressed primarily by a resident of the community.

I have one by one posted on each person of interest, not always on this board.
Just trying to get my facts straight and delete erroneous gossip when I can. It kind of feels pointless trying to do this becuase I don't have any LE information, I'm nobody but a sleuth poster. I just keep hoping that an unbiased pair of eyes might see something that's being overlooked, something that can make the difference for this case.

Atok,
I have no idea regarding the personal question that you asked!
I can tell you that I also have never believed that Tara left on her own! She made several statements that day, that refered to the future. She had loaned my daughter several items to wear in the pageant and when I thanked her she said no problem just have your daughter drop them by my classroom on Monday. She also said that she worked in Valdosta Ga. doing makeup for a retailer and that she planned to work some throughout the upcoming x-mas holidays. That does not sound like someone planning to disappear!!
I told the GBI all of this when I was interviewed.

[Atok]

Thanks for the reply, Irwinmom. I wasn't sure how to approach that topic! I guess it's a question Dr. G might have had the answer to.

I feel the GBI might have said there wasn't any point in the glove, if they hadn't found anything. Didn't they say there was no reason to believe the clothes/sunglasses found on the search had any connection to Tara?
Not speaking leads me to believe they have one bit of info, but aren't sure how/if it connects to the disappearence. So as not to compromise it, they have said nothing. There is a chance that there is nothing to the glove and they don't want to say that becuase it's disheartening/embarassing they have no progress. :shrug:
This is all random guesses, we won't know until they say something publicly. They won't say something publicly until they have a locked case.

[IBC]

There are so many "civilian" people who have done questionable things to compromise the investigation - JP and the car wash. mowing the lawn and now BIL searching through Tara's house.

I just cannot imagine that either my husband or I would mow the lawn or wash a car that was part of an investigation. And, neither of us would consider going through even a close relative's things (wastebasket, drawers, etc.), possibly compromising an investigation. Or, what about the many people who wandered through Tara's house? What were these people thinking? What was LE thinking to allow this?

IMO the culprit will need to admit guilt or someone would need to testify against him/her because after this long there's probably not going to be much evidence on a body. It also doesn't seem like there is much circumstantial evidence, but GBI may know better. As to WHO? Which day of the week is this? Which way is the wind blowing today?

If authorities were notified by 8:50 AM on the Monday morning that Tara didn't show up for work, how did it happen that Anita and her husband were in the house BEFORE LE came to investigate and check up on Tara to see where she was?

Also, someone stated in another area that the neighbor was requested to go over there and went ALONE.
Did he let himself in with the key or did he just knock and nobody came to the door?

Also, I'd like to clarify exactly what time did LE go to Tara's home on Monday?

Who was present at that time? IS it true that JP let the police inside using his key??????????????

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally posted by BlkBeauty57
The GBI probably already has the results of the glove and if they are anything like the FBI- I doubt they will release what if any results they got to the public.

Especially if they got results back that implicates someone- they are still investigating-they will just add it to their arsenal of evidence to use in a prosecution.

So, they probably have the results of the glove in their possession and they probably won't release those results to the public until they get to court.

The GBI are as closed mouthed as the FBI, they do not discuss their cases, especially any evidence.

I am taken aback a little by the BIL being asked to take poly. Since the Richard Jewell fiasco they are very cautious on what they do. I don't think the BIL is involved or had an affair (I hope not) but I don't think for one second the GBI just pulled him in on whim. They would have to have something more than that. Now it may be multiple people they have talked with that are telling the same story.

Nothing will come from the GBI until an arrest is made if that ever happens. Sometimes I get the sickest feeling it will be a long, long time before Tara is found. I hope I am wrong.

IMO

Ocean

[NancynNC]

It does not make sense to me for the GBI to interview BIL for 2 hours and never ask him if he had anything to do with Tara's disappearance. What was the point in this test?? Was the GBI sending a message to BIL to back off and leave the case to them?
I sure hope they would be above all this pettiness.

At least the BIL did cooperate. MH lawyered up and took a private test.

snipped'


LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD'S BROTHER-IN-LAW: They asked me a lot of questions. I don't believe they ever asked me if I had hurt Tara or done anything to her. Mainly they were interested in my history, my medical history, Tara's personal medical history. They were interested in rumors that they had heard and about some sort of inappropriate affair I had had with Tara supposedly.

[NancynNC]

After reading about the medical past of BIL, the GBI may have thought that he gave Tara some drug.

http://www.medicalboard.state.ga.us/bdsearch/pdf/04-019949.pdf

Ocillian, this is sad for me to read. I wouldn't want anybody to give up or slow down a search if I was missing.

Can people form their own search parties and just walk and look?
Are people doing this, but we just don't hear about it?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Ocillian
Yeah you can pretty much do whatever and I've seen random groups of people throughout the week and weekends combing through the ditches and things by my house several times. But several weeks ago. For example, don't quote me on this but I believe they had only about 60 people volunteering on the last search. I'm sure they were grateful for that but the "numbers" are just way down. The Tara Command Center use to look like a family reunion gathering of LE everyday and now there's usually 1 or 2 cars (maybe 3 or 4 on the weekends) there that are for the effort. Its sad really but people have to work and carry out their lives too I guess.

The thing about forming your own searching is the fact that probably every piece of PUBLIC land has been searched and you can't just go on other people's property that easily.

Actually, I think this is a big clue in itself. Who has private land that is not searched? Why?Tara is out there somewhere.

[concernedperson]

I guess I am disappointed to learn that the search efforts so far haven't brought any resolve. I did not realize that the numbers were way down as I thought this is a real close town with tons of people searching. Mistaken!!

[grandline]

I was reading in the news about a 3 year old adopted boy somewhere south of Jesup, GA who was killed by his adoptive mother and his body was not far from they highway. His mother actually confessed pretty quickly and took authorities to the body and LE in that case admits that had she not done that, it could have been quite difficult to find the body. There is so much timberland in South GA and much of it looks pretty identical.

In this case, searchers could walk circles for hours and not even realize it unless they were very careful in marking and calculating their paths.

That, combined with the large amount of unsearched private land, is what concerns me.

[Atok]

While the highways aren't far away, the fact that her car was stored, unlocked with the seat in an position not used by her is the detail that keeps me returning to local involvment.

Does anyone know if the seat change and the car being unlocked was noted BEFORE anyone used the car, like the neighbor taking it to the carwash?

This detail matters in several theories.

[Mindis]

Good point Atok.. I'm thinking before it went to the car wash though since they had dusted for prints already and assume they saw the position of the seat at that time. But, anything is possible at this point..

It has been stated on this message board that the neighbor was IN the car before LE was, so, if this is true, he could have inadvertently slid the seat back.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE:

If the seats are electrical, the engine would have to be running in order to let the seats back, right?

But if the seat has a manual lever under or beside the seat, then it's possible that neighbor just slid it back.

But, if neighbor did not start the ignition on the day he was in the car before LE processed the car, and the seats are electrical, then the seat had to be moved BACK prior to him getting in it and it clears him of moving the seat back, see? Which is good for him, really!

I read on here that neighbor took the car on FRIDAY after it had been fingerprinted and processed by LE, which means he didn't have a REASON to turn on the ignition and crank the car before driving it to be cleaned, get my idea here? This is good for him only if the seats are electrical.

Again, if the seats are electrical, this is important because it means that the car ignition was on and there was battery power when the seat was moved back.

Since neighbor has a key, I don't know why he would START the car under the garage to just look around in it. I believe Mr. Portier probably did just look around, but did not start it at all.
Why would he do this until he drove it to the car wash?

This is a very good point for Mr. Portier if anybody would like to share that. It's in his favor here ONLY if the seats are electrical and he didn't crank it up before FRIDAY when he took it to the wash. It means he didn't move those seats during the time he took a look around in it before LE did. If this is true, then we can eliminate the doubt about whether or not he moved the seat without thinking that morning.

Please tell me somebody sees the significance in this.

So, does anybody know if he cranked it up that day he was in it before LE processed?(If it's even true that he was in there before processing?)

If he DID NOT crank the car when he got in to take a look (if he really did get in it that day) then some of us can mark this off as a question in our mind about how that seat got moved back.

We can mark him off as maybe having inadvertently moving it back witout realizing it. Electrical seats+ no crank by Mr. P=seat already back, Mr. P. could not have let it back that morning.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Ocillian
NancyNC,

Notice that BIL pointed out the GBI didn't question him about Tara's dissappearance THIS time. He never said they haven't questioned him about it AT ALL. He said this was the fifth time he was questioned. If someone thinks the GBI hasn't questioned him about the possibility of him doing something to Tara, that's ignorance. He should've been asked, "Has he been questioned about that at all?" I bet he has. They've(family) simply bashed the GBI and other LE, and I believe the GBI was letting them know they're still in charge. Don't let the media or anyone else fool those of you who are from out of town, its sad to say, but the "search" has just about completely vanished. When the media such as CNN or FOX rolls into town, everything catches a second wind but soon it goes back to nothing. I say this not for any other reason but to give people who are not from here, a bit of the reality of the situation.

Ocillian, Thanks so much for your input, as a local.
I am sure they have asked the BIL about her disappearance but this time they had him hooked up for a test. Why not then? I thought at first it was a message too, but after reading about the Dr.'s past history and being on probation, it changes my thoughts. IMO the GBI thinks maybe the Dr. did give a prescription or some drugs to Tara. Maybe they are looking at the angle that she may have over dosed and the Dr. knew his goose was cooked if LE found his drugs at the scene.
I do appreciate your posts.

[threesnugbugs]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Ocillian, Thanks so much for your input, as a local.
I am sure they have asked the BIL about her disappearance but this time they had him hooked up for a test. Why not then? I thought at first it was a message too, but after reading about the Dr.'s past history and being on probation, it changes my thoughts. IMO the GBI thinks maybe the Dr. did give a prescription or some drugs to Tara. Maybe they are looking at the angle that she may have over dosed and the Dr. knew his goose was cooked if LE found his drugs at the scene.
I do appreciate your posts.


This makes so much sense. Good thoughts.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I guess I am disappointed to learn that the search efforts so far haven't brought any resolve. I did not realize that the numbers were way down as I thought this is a real close town with tons of people searching. Mistaken!!

I was shocked by the low number of people who turned out.
I have seriously thought about going down to help. I live in northern NC and it is a 6 hour drive to Atlanta so I do not know how long it would take me to get to Ocilla. I probably would have to go alone, but if there is another search, I will try.
I live in a small town, no bigger than Ocilla, so never think we are all people from big cities. I understand the closeness that exists. But it would really upset me to think that maybe a murderer is living amongst us. I would want that person caught, for my sake.

[gafan33]

Originally posted by Mindis
Good point Atok.. I'm thinking before it went to the car wash though since they had dusted for prints already and assume they saw the position of the seat at that time. But, anything is possible at this point..


Mindis, my car has electrical seats and I can adjust them just with a push of a button even when my key isn't in the ignition.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Ocillian


Actually, its the other way around. I think the family is very happy that the search efforts haven't brought any resolve. If they had that would probably mean her REMAINS were found but since they weren't that means there's a good chance she's still alive. You know, it is a real close town and I take hard offense to that comment as you are saying our community is lazy, uncaring and selfish. I think not. Excuse me and I'm sorry for saying this if it offends anyone but other people do have lives too. I have kids that depend on me to work and provide food on the table and clothes on their backs. If I was fortunate to not HAVE to work, I would be out searching and volunteering everyday. This is the reason why the numbers are way down. Not because our community is not close knit or don't care! We care alot for Tara and hope as much as anyone for her safe return but I have bills I have to pay and kids to take care of. Oh and uh, Atlanta is not that far away, we'd be glad to have you lend a hand!

If I could I would be there. I am not saying any of the things you posted I am saying I was surprised that the numbers aren't higher.My thoughts are with Tara otherwise I wouldn't be here.You don't know my situation nor do I know yours. Please don't lay blame on someone that is here because they care.

[Mindis]

Originally posted by gafan33



Mindis, my car has electrical seats and I can adjust them just with a push of a button even when my key isn't in the ignition.

Yes, mine are the same... I don't know.. wish I did...

[Mindis]

Originally posted by Ocillian


Actually, its the other way around. I think the family is very happy that the search efforts haven't brought any resolve. If they had that would probably mean her REMAINS were found but since they weren't that means there's a good chance she's still alive. You know, it is a real close town and I take hard offense to that comment as you are saying our community is lazy, uncaring and selfish. I think not. Excuse me and I'm sorry for saying this if it offends anyone but other people do have lives too. I have kids that depend on me to work and provide food on the table and clothes on their backs. If I was fortunate to not HAVE to work, I would be out searching and volunteering everyday. This is the reason why the numbers are way down. Not because our community is not close knit or don't care! We care alot for Tara and hope as much as anyone for her safe return but I have bills I have to pay and kids to take care of. Oh and uh, Atlanta is not that far away, we'd be glad to have you lend a hand!

I hear ya... I would be there if I could.. I'm not working right now but I'm going through radiation. I don't have treatment on the weekends but with being out with diability and the side effects of radiation I cannot be there. All I can do is pray for Tara.. I hope that's enough, it's all I can offer at this time.. :(

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I hope Nancy Grace's ignited coverage, and U.S. Representative Jack Kingston's involvement, will open some new doors and put pressure on the guilty parties...

Kingston May Lend Federal Heft To Search For Missing Beauty Queen
Jan. 12, 2006

By Seamus McGraw

OCILLA, GA (Crime Library ) — Nearly four months after high school teacher and former beauty queen Tara Grinstead mysteriously vanished, a prominent Georgia congressman is adding his name to the roster of her supporters.

Seven-term Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican whose district includes the rural Georgia community where Tara was last seen, is scheduled to meet Jan. 24 with the missing woman's family. The purpose of the meeting is to lend support to Tara's family, said Rob Asbell, the congressman's director of communications, and also to attract media attention to the search that so far has yielded few tangible results. "If it brings attention...to the search for Tara then...that's really what he wants," Asbell said.

Kingston also plans to explore other potential areas where he might be able to lend some support, Asbell said. "There's always a chance that if there's any indication that she may have been abducted or...that whatever happened crossed state lines then he can...maybe get someone in the FBI involved."

Noting that eastern Georgia is also home to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the central training facility for the US Department of Homeland Security, Asbell said Kingston would consider the possibility of enlisting trainees to join in future searches for Grinstead. "Perhaps...he might even suggest that some of their people go over and train by searching for her, " Asbell said. "I'm not saying that it would happen, but maybe there might be something that...might help this family."

Hi Fissbiiii, found this post and a FEW other posts about this State Rep's meeting with the FAMILY near the end of Jan.

But I can't find any follow up to it.

And if this meeting was the end of January, and all official GBI/LE searches ended in February just makes me think more and more that there is no crime here.

Any of you locals know this Rep? Is it worth a call to his office maybe?

And was it around this time that Nancy Grace's trip to Oscila got hi- jacked?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Hi Fissbiiii, found this post and a FEW other posts about this State Rep's meeting with the FAMILY near the end of Jan.

But I can't find any follow up to it.

And if this meeting was the end of January, and all official GBI/LE searches ended in February just makes me think more and more that there is no crime here.

Any of you locals know this Rep? Is it worth a call to his office maybe?

And was it around this time that Nancy Grace's trip to Oscila got hi- jacked?

Would this be the first time political figures haven't followed up on what they said they would do?

Har har.
:o

P.S. Why did you "bold" the word "FEW". Please share the other posts.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Would this be the first time political figures haven't followed up on what they said they would do?

Har har.
:o

P.S. Why did you "bold" the word "FEW". Please share the other posts.

Wow....this is an interesting response.

Do a a search here on CTV..with the name of the Rep....there are only 3 responses. I call that a FEW

So what did he do or not do to upset you?

[fsbiii]

SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

[concernedperson]

I got a pm that said one of these dudes was kin to Marcus. Implicating a bigger coverup. Not saying politicians aren't capable but at some point we just need to look for truth.

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by fsbiii
SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

Maybe the dateline segment (re-airing tonight) will rekindle interest in the quest for information on this case. Hope so!

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I got a pm that said one of these dudes was kin to Marcus. Implicating a bigger coverup. Not saying politicians aren't capable but at some point we just need to look for truth.


UGH? What dudes?

Are you on the right thread?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by simply quiet



UGH? What dudes?

Are you on the right thread?

Yes, I am on the right thread. Can't remember his name but he accompanied Sonny Perdue to Ocilla and is on the governor's list. Post the names and then I can identify. He was local to Ocilla though.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Yes, I am on the right thread. Can't remember his name but he accompanied Sonny Perdue to Ocilla and is on the governor's list. Post the names and then I can identify. He was local to Ocilla though.

Roberts maybe?

I heard this too, so now I'm wondering.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by fsbiii
SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

Thanks Fssssbbiiii

I think I am going to follow up with him.

Its just very curious that the family couldn't convice him to do anything.....from what I can gather.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Thanks Fssssbbiiii

I think I am going to follow up with him.

Its just very curious that the family couldn't convice him to do anything.....from what I can gather.

Excellent idea. ANY follow up would be welcome.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Excellent idea. ANY follow up would be welcome.

Oh Grasshopper...I notice you seem to have to post on every active thread......you don't seem to have anything to add to the discussion....so grasshopper if I get some new details how can I reach you?

Surely by tomorrow you will be trolling somewhere else....so leave me an e-mail or a pm and I will fill you in.....LMAO

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Oh Grasshopper...I notice you seem to have to post on every active thread......you don't seem to have anything to add to the discussion....so grasshopper if I get some new details how can I reach you?

Surely by tomorrow you will be trolling somewhere else....so leave me an e-mail or a pm and I will fill you in.....LMAO

You can PM me right here SQ. How can I reach you? Same way?

[fsbiii]

Looking back at something that's been lost in the fracas--the interview of Larry Gattis by CourtNet journalist Larry Harriet.

According to Mr. Gattis, he and Tara "did some e-mails" back and forth where Tara was worried and getting a little afraid of Harper. Gattis says that Tara said that Harper said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities. Gattis said Tara confided in him, and that during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen. Gattis says he emailed her back, sometime during the summer before she went missing, and said he was worried "it would get worse with Marcus" and he warned her about that situation.

1. When was Harper home during the summer of 2005 for this to be occurring?

2. When was Tara in Atlanta with Ms. Anderson during the summer of 2005, and how long did she stay with her?

3. Did Mr. Gattis do anything with this information at the time or just warn Tara that it would get worse?

4. Has Anita Gattis mentioned this information in any media, or did only Larry Gattis know about it?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by Results


Just a thought that came to mind. I remember that AG told NG on the Jan 12 & 13 interview that she thought the GBI could do more and NG told AG I believe that we are all aware of that in an aggrevated tone like NG was sick of hearing it. Wonder if NG had talked to GBI & the Rep? Just wondering.
It was suggested to call the Rep's office. Just do it. That way you won't have to rely on speculation.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Looking back at something that's been lost in the fracas--the interview of Larry Gattis by CourtNet journalist Larry Harriet.

According to Mr. Gattis, he and Tara "did some e-mails" back and forth where Tara was worried and getting a little afraid of Harper. Gattis says that Tara said that Harper said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities. Gattis said Tara confided in him, and that during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen. Gattis says he emailed her back, sometime during the summer before she went missing, and said he was worried "it would get worse with Marcus" and he warned her about that situation.

1. When was Harper home during the summer of 2005 for this to be occurring?

2. When was Tara in Atlanta with Ms. Anderson during the summer of 2005, and how long did she stay with her?

3. Did Mr. Gattis do anything with this information at the time or just warn Tara that it would get worse?

4. Has Anita Gattis mentioned this information in any media, or did only Larry Gattis know about it?

This may answer #1 question. There is no date but it comes from MH when he was interviewed by Greta.

snip'

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So after, let's say, October 2004 until September 2005, when you're in the area — because I know that you travel for business — did you see her often?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: How often did you see her?

HARPER: We remained friends. Any time I was home from business, you know, we would see each other. This past summer, we even went to a movie together as friends.

[fsbiii]

Thanks, NC. I have info that he went back overseas for work in "mid July 2005" - so he must've been home in early July, perhaps June too. I believe Tara was in ATL during July 2005 at some time, based on the Anderson interview.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Thanks, NC. I have info that he went back overseas for work in "mid July 2005" - so he must've been home in early July, perhaps June too. I believe Tara was in ATL during July 2005 at some time, based on the Anderson interview.

Could you post some of the Anderson interview? My mind is a blank tonight.

[fsbiii]

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9974712/

ANDERSON: Last time I actually spoke with her was probably in late September. She came to Atlanta to stay with me in late July, I started a new job in early October, and so we had hadn‘t really spoken at length since that time.

Originally posted by NancynNC


Could you post some of the Anderson interview? My mind is a blank tonight.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9974712/

ANDERSON: Last time I actually spoke with her was probably in late September. She came to Atlanta to stay with me in late July, I started a new job in early October, and so we had hadn‘t really spoken at length since that time.



Thanks, I had forgotten all about that interview. I think it was interesting that she was interviewed by GBI the next day after Tara was missing. Could be that they thought she may have went to her in Atlanta. She does not state what she told the GBI.

snip'
ANDERSON: You know, I—anything official, I certainly don‘t have any information about. I was interviewed the next day after the—after she was discovered missing by the GBI. And that is all the contact I have had.

[fsbiii]

I found it interesting that GBI got ahold of her rather quickly. Perhaps in recent phone history or email history? Or just told about by family, perhaps.

Originally posted by NancynNC


Thanks, I had forgotten all about that interview. I think it was interesting that she was interviewed by GBI the next day after Tara was missing. Could be that they thought she may have went to her in Atlanta. She does not state what she told the GBI.

snip'
ANDERSON: You know, I—anything official, I certainly don‘t have any information about. I was interviewed the next day after the—after she was discovered missing by the GBI. And that is all the contact I have had.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I found it interesting that GBI got ahold of her rather quickly. Perhaps in recent phone history or email history? Or just told about by family, perhaps.




It goes to show that we know nothing about what the GBI really knows. They seemed to be on this case from the very beginning. Interviewing Ms. Anderson, ME, and probably many others so quickly. We have no idea what they have found. It is for the best, but so hard to us to understand.

[fsbiii]

Perhaps the most accurate posting of the month! (We're only 2 days in though!)

Originally posted by NancynNC



It goes to show that we know nothing about what the GBI really knows. They seemed to be on this case from the very beginning. Interviewing Ms. Anderson, ME, and probably many others so quickly. We have no idea what they have found. It is for the best, but so hard to us to understand.

[NancynNC]

And a Happy Fourth weekend to you Fsbiii and to all the other posters.

:patriot:

[kys]

Originally posted by fsbiii
SQ-

I know of no follow up from Kingston's office nor any other federal agencies. If you recall, a bunch of lunatics got on here and professed the FBI was in Ocilla around the time this Kingston info came out. It was all a lie and just dramatics from a couple of idiots outside of Georgia (who actually claimed at one time they worked for GBI).

An email to his office might get a response from his PR man. Kingston is a nice guy, I'm just not sure what, if anything, he can do in this situation.

FSB, wasn't that J4T and sassy that siad that??

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Excellent idea. ANY follow up would be welcome.

Bumping for discussion. SQ did you get any follow up on this yet? Weren't you going to contact someone?

[kys]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


Bumping for discussion. SQ did you get any follow up on this yet? Weren't you going to contact someone?

MSN, maybe you can answer this question for me, whasn't it J4T and sassy that came here and threw out all kinds of BS including they were with the GBI as well??? hmmmmmmmm

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by kys


MSN, maybe you can answer this question for me, whasn't it J4T and sassy that came here and threw out all kinds of BS including they were with the GBI as well??? hmmmmmmmm
I don't know either one of those people. Do you have a post from one of them that indicates something like that? If it was "BS", then you shouldn't believe it anyway, but no, I don't know them.

Has anyone contacted the Rep's office? I'd really like to know.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by guitarstring
MSN, do you know RR or his family?

No I don't. Why do you ask?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

Has anyone contacted the Rep's office? I'd really like to know.

Here in the US it is a Holiday weekend.

I am sure no one has been in their offices.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Here in the US it is a Holiday weekend.

I am sure no one has been in their offices.
I'm in the US too, thanks. I really didn't think about yesterday being part of the holiday though. Perhaps tomorrow then?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

I'm in the US too, thanks. I really didn't think about yesterday being part of the holiday though. Perhaps tomorrow then?

Unless you are part of a split personality. One in Canada and one in Alabama. You being the only one with Hawkinsville connections.

[rhill]

bump

[luvmy2labpups]

Where has he gone? Is he still involved, if not why?

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Unless you are part of a split personality. One in Canada and one in Alabama. You being the only one with Hawkinsville connections.

Concernedperson, I'm not from Canada nor Alabama. I really don't understand your obsession with this.

[NancynNC]

I am bumping this up for the people that think we have not talked about LG. With the 30 day default setting on the main page, some readers think we have few threads, Not true.

[NancynNC]

I found this post by Irwinmom that she was interviewed by the GBI. It is a very informative post. IMO

About half way down the page.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=253181&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by NancynNC
I found this post by Irwinmom that she was interviewed by the GBI. It is a very informative post. IMO

About half way down the page.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=253181&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

I read that earlier after you bumped the thread. It was informative and means more now than ever. This was a person who was actually observing Tara on the day of her disappearance.

It rings sincere to me so this would be that Tara was not acting distraught over anything. Planning her next life steps and going on as usual. No hand wringing over relationships or tears for lost loves.

Thanks for the "new" old info.

[odette]

Originally posted by hopeinOz
Hi,
Did anyone catch On the Record? Greta had an interview with Tara's sister Anita and brother-in-law Larry. They were furious about rumours that Larry and Tara had an affair. They denied the affair rumours, and it was also mentioned that Larry had taken a polygraph test (i think they said he passed it).

Can anyone tell me if LG has been "cleared" by GBI or not. According to this article it would appear to me that he hasn't been. IMO

Crime Library ~ Seamus McGraw ~ 1/30/06

quote: Frustrated by the scrutiny and what he believed to be heavy-handed treatment by the investigators, G****s said he underwent a polygraph test — he says he demanded it, law enforcement sources strongly dispute that, which sources have said he passed — and also decided to speak publicly about the treatment he received at the hands of investigators. And his decision to speak out, he said, has tempered the treatment he has received from investigators. "They've been a little nicer," G****s said, adding that he received a telephone call late last week from the GBI brass informing him that he was no longer in the investigators' cross hairs. Law enforcement sources also dispute that, saying they have ruled no one in or out as a result of the investigation thus far. :end quote

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0106/3001_rumors_tar_tara_brotherinaw2.html

[concernedperson]

My opinion would be that no one is cleared. Bottem line is everyone has to be looked at and no exceptions. Even me as a regular poster. Of course, GBI would get a hoot out of that. But, please come and talk to me.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Thanks Fssssbbiiii

I think I am going to follow up with him.

Its just very curious that the family couldn't convice him to do anything.....from what I can gather.

SQ, anything new from Kingston's office? You said you'd follow up with him. What did he have to say?

[luvmy2labpups]

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:viVGCrlRzNMJ:www.13wmaz.com/news/local_headlines.aspx%3Fstoryid%3D19300+A****+G**** s&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

ANITA GATTIS: SISTER
"It's like looking in a snow globe. It doesn't seem real."

Gattis says the only sign of something wrong is the finger print dust on her sister's car. Except for gloves investigators left behind, the house looks perfect.

ANITA GATTIS: SISTER
"There's no sign of a scuffle. It looks like she left with someone she knew maybe to check on a kid or a friend or to run an errand."

[concernedperson]

The url is not valid.

[luvmy2labpups]

Try this one

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:viVGCrlRzNMJ:www.13wmaz.com/news/local_headlines.aspx%3Fstoryid%3D19300+A

[BroadwayJoe]

That's a very old article. What's your point?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
That's a very old article. What's your point?

What's your point?

Anita stated, "there was no sign of a scuffle".

A few days later she's talking about the clock, lamp, jewelry, etc., claiming there was some type of struggle in Tara's house.

You don't understand the point behind questioning inconsistent (and contradictory) information? If not, you obviously don't want Tara found.

[sogalady]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
That's a very old article. What's your point?


For heaven's sake,, Why would you have to ask?

[luvmy2labpups]

Ok, now lets look at another one

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PDGPAcrf1iAJ:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html+Maria+Hulett,+nancy+grace&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1


HULETT: Yes, I walked in the door, looked where her shoes would usually be, you know, to see if she had hurried out the door, maybe, looked around to see if anything had fallen off the tables, if there looked like (INAUDIBLE) having a struggle, you know? I immediately knew that something had to have been wrong for her not to have shown up for work, not to call home. There had to have been something wrong. So I...

GRACE: Now, what about the clock-radio and the lamp?

HULETT: I didn`t see the clock. That was later on, when I went back the second time, did I see the clock.

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.



OK, she never mentions anything about the lamp, but says she is looking for anything fallen off tables, she doesn't see the clock, but sees the shoes on the floor, the really nice ones? On the floor next to the bed?Weren't they right next to the END TABLE where the clock sits? How does she not see that the clock had fallen, when that is what she was looking for, but she does see shoes, next to the end table where the clock sat?

[luvmy2labpups]

And yet another

Ok, first go to this link and look at the picture of the lamp, in section 2 picture 5.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175045,00.html



GRACE: Is this the lamp?

GRINSTEAD: Yes.

GRACE: I thought it was cracked. No? I thought it was cracked.

GRINSTEAD: I beg your pardon?

GRACE: I thought the lamp was broken.

GRINSTEAD: It was.

GRACE: Oh, I see! I see. It is broken. Yes, up under here. And this was down on the floor? And the bed was made.




Why did Nancy have to ask three times if the lamp was broken (2 X "I thought it was cracked") (1X "I thought it was broken")?

[luvmy2labpups]

And again


GRACE: Yes, because if she were such a fanatic about locking her car door, I can only assume that extended to her front door, which was unlocked when police got there.

PORTIER: No, no, no, Nancy, it was locked.

GRACE: OK, you know what, Anita? I think you told me it was unlocked.

GATTIS: It was unlocked when Maria got there, but Mr. Portier had a key and he let the police in.




GRACE: That`s even more confusing, actually, because it means she probably locked the door behind her.

PORTIER: Right. It was locked...

GATTIS: It was locked when the police got over there.

PORTIER: I would not think so, Nancy. After I had called the local police when we couldn`t find Tara in the house that Monday morning, I walked back to the front porch talking to the chief of police on my cell phone. And that`s when I spied the latex glove. It was actually before the police got there.

Ok, so Anita told Nancy the door was unlocked and Nancy called her on it? Then AG says it was UNLOCKED when Maria got there. Then Anita goes on to tell her later in the conversation that the door was locked when police got there. Portier says he called police AFTER HE WAS IN THE HOUSE looking for her. The door was already unlocked if Portier was in the house looking for her right?

[luvmy2labpups]

UT OH yet another

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html



GRACE: Oh, oh, another question I asked today and I didn`t get a definitive answer, regarding her bed clothes. She had a bed like it was out of a magazine, you know, beautiful bed trimmings...

GATTIS: Right.

GRACE: ... and the pillow show and the whole thing. And were her bed covers turned back that night?

GATTIS: GBI told me that it looked like she had quickly made her bed. I`m thinking she may have just thrown the comforter over it when the girls came for her to start doing makeup. They said it was not neatly made.


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PDGPAcrf1iAJ:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html+Maria+Hulett,+nancy+grace&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.




GRINSTEAD: No, the bed was -- they told me the bed was not made, like she had just gone to bed maybe. Tara slept with, like...

GRACE: Really?

GRINSTEAD: Tara slept with, like, pillows on the side of her, you know?

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: She slept with several pillows. And that`s what I was told, like she had possibly laid down and gone to bed. That`s why I wondered if somebody called her.

[luvmy2labpups]

Question: How did Maria know when she was there Monday that the last time ANYBODY talked to Tara was Saturday? The GBI/LE didn't even know right?


HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

[fsbiii]

I'm guessing she meant "I knew that the last time that [Heath D] had talked to her was Saturday night." Obviously HD and Tara's mom & Maria were talking on Sunday and looking for Tara in some fashion that day and night.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Question: How did Maria know when she was there Monday that the last time ANYBODY talked to Tara was Saturday? The GBI/LE didn't even know right?

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I'm guessing she meant "I knew that the last time that [Heath D] had talked to her was Saturday night." Obviously HD and Tara's mom & Maria were talking on Sunday and looking for Tara in some fashion that day and night.

While that sounds ok FSB, I think we can both agree that she says ANYBODY. How would she know? Even if she meant HD, how would she even know about HD speaking to Tara on Saturday?

[fsbiii]

I think she is presuming "anybody" after speaking with HD and him telling her he spoke to Tara on the phone late Saturday night. I don't think she knew, factually, the last time anyone talked to Tara. I think HD talked w/Faye and Maria on Sunday, for sure.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
While that sounds ok FSB, I think we can both agree that she says ANYBODY. How would she know? Even if she meant HD, how would she even know about HD speaking to Tara on Saturday?

[luvmy2labpups]

OOPSIES....


Go take a look at this link section 3 picture 4

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175045,00.html

See the comment there under the pictures "Shoes Tara wore Oct 22"?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html




GATTIS: She had a very expensive pair of shoes she wore that night. She always bought stuff. Those were thrown in the middle of the floor. Also, a necklace that she had just made the night before. She used beads that she had and beads that were my grandmother`s necklace. She restrung, made her own necklace. That was thrown on the floor. Tara did not take care of her belongings like that.




So, who straightened them up and placed them next to the bed?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I think she is presuming "anybody" after speaking with HD and him telling her he spoke to Tara on the phone late Saturday night. I don't think she knew, factually, the last time anyone talked to Tara. I think HD talked w/Faye and Maria on Sunday, for sure.

HMMMM, that sure leaves me with some questions.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


What's your point?

Anita stated, "there was no sign of a scuffle".

A few days later she's talking about the clock, lamp, jewelry, etc., claiming there was some type of struggle in Tara's house.

You don't understand the point behind questioning inconsistent (and contradictory) information? If not, you obviously don't want Tara found.
I totally understand inconsistent and contradicting information, but I really fail to see it in this particular article. From reading info on this case, I don't recall anyone really "noticing a struggle" very early on. I think little things were noticed in the following days, which led to the belief there may have been a slight struggle in the house. If I were looking for a family member and took a quick glance in a house, I might not notice little things right away. And they WERE little things. It's not like all of her drawers were emptied out and gone through, tables and chairs turned over and dishes broken, mirrors smashed, etc. It didn't appear to be "ransacked" in other words. IMO, her sister (or anyone else for that matter) may not have really noticed "signs of a struggle" until they took a closer look. To imply that I don't want Tara found was an unnecessary and immature statement.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by sogalady



For heaven's sake,, Why would you have to ask?

I asked the question because I wanted to know. Why the tone?

[TuscanDreams]

I'm glad to see articles posted that I'd never read before. Maybe others are like me and didn't really follow this case from the first day becasue I thought she'd be found quickly.

She's a low risk victim. I had no idea this case would not be resolved by now. So, I do appreciate reading articles I've never seen before.

[Results]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I hope Nancy Grace's ignited coverage, and U.S. Representative Jack Kingston's involvement, will open some new doors and put pressure on the guilty parties...

Kingston May Lend Federal Heft To Search For Missing Beauty Queen
Jan. 12, 2006

By Seamus McGraw

OCILLA, GA (Crime Library ) — Nearly four months after high school teacher and former beauty queen Tara Grinstead mysteriously vanished, a prominent Georgia congressman is adding his name to the roster of her supporters.

Seven-term Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican whose district includes the rural Georgia community where Tara was last seen, is scheduled to meet Jan. 24 with the missing woman's family. The purpose of the meeting is to lend support to Tara's family, said Rob Asbell, the congressman's director of communications, and also to attract media attention to the search that so far has yielded few tangible results. "If it brings attention...to the search for Tara then...that's really what he wants," Asbell said.

Kingston also plans to explore other potential areas where he might be able to lend some support, Asbell said. "There's always a chance that if there's any indication that she may have been abducted or...that whatever happened crossed state lines then he can...maybe get someone in the FBI involved."

Noting that eastern Georgia is also home to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the central training facility for the US Department of Homeland Security, Asbell said Kingston would consider the possibility of enlisting trainees to join in future searches for Grinstead. "Perhaps...he might even suggest that some of their people go over and train by searching for her, " Asbell said. "I'm not saying that it would happen, but maybe there might be something that...might help this family."

Bumping! Does anyone know what happened to this idea?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


:shrug:

:shrug:

My guess is nothing because no one pursued it but is was a dang good idea.

[PNut]

After reviewing all of Luv's wonderful hardwork of pointing out MANY MANY inconsistancies made so blatantly by AG, I now think I understand WHY AG decided NOT to make ANY form of statement on this, the year anniversary of her BIG T going missing.

:rolleyes:

[kundalini]

"
GATTIS: She had a very expensive pair of shoes she wore that night. She always bought stuff. Those were thrown in the middle of the floor. Also, a necklace that she had just made the night before. She used beads that she had and beads that were my grandmother`s necklace. She restrung, made her own necklace. That was thrown on the floor. Tara did not take care of her belongings like that. "

1. Who said she made a necklace the night before? Was someone with her that night or did she announce it the following day to someone who then told Anita?
2. Did she bring her mail/paper in when she arrived home? Or did she go out to the box to get them after 11? Leaving her vulnerable in the front yard?
3. Had candles been recently lit or burnt down all the way - as if she had been expecting a visitor?
4. If she was having an affair with someone where are all the flowers and cards and tokens of love that would be laying around at her home? Even if she expected girls over that day and put them in a "special drawer" there would be something someplace with someone's declaration of admiration for her.

Off track but I recall Dr G said it was a planned event - she may have been followed or stalked or something like that. Under the assumption that first of all she was stalked and it was planned and second that she was murdered - I hears something on Forensic Files or one of those crime shows that said when a villan stalks or plans it is because he/she has killed before.

[gagal]

I still think that if we KNEW WHY FG & HD were so concerned about her that HD drove to her house, we could prob answer alot of questions. I just feel that its KEY to alot of things. State of mind, etc.
Has anyone heard what the urgency was???? If I didnt show up for work, my employer may try to call me, but they certainly wouldnt call the police! The whole state of panic thing just throws me off. If I didnt contact my mother one weekend, she would just call and leave a few messages. Now, if I didnt call for several days, she may try my office and then go from there. I just feel that something happened before or something was said earlier by TG. something that sparked this desperate attempt to contact her.
Any Ideas?

[gagal]

:shrug: I read in previous post that FG and TG had an argument. Does anyone know what it was about? Guys? Money? Just family stuff? Something maybe TG was doing, participating in, or a guy she was seeing that FG was not in favor of?

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by gagal
I still think that if we KNEW WHY FG & HD were so concerned about her that HD drove to her house, we could prob answer alot of questions. I just feel that its KEY to alot of things. State of mind, etc.
Has anyone heard what the urgency was???? If I didnt show up for work, my employer may try to call me, but they certainly wouldnt call the police! The whole state of panic thing just throws me off. If I didnt contact my mother one weekend, she would just call and leave a few messages. Now, if I didnt call for several days, she may try my office and then go from there. I just feel that something happened before or something was said earlier by TG. something that sparked this desperate attempt to contact her.
Any Ideas?

Weren't the police called after some of Tara's co-workers arrived at her home - inspected it, found no Tara inside the home and her car parked in the driveway? I think this would be worthy of a police call, particularly if it was out of character for her to not just show up for work without calling. JMO

[gagal]

My mistake, but I thought I understood that they were called from the school when she didnt show up? I may have misunderstood something!

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by gagal
:shrug: I read in previous post that FG and TG had an argument. Does anyone know what it was about? Guys? Money? Just family stuff? Something maybe TG was doing, participating in, or a guy she was seeing that FG was not in favor of?

There has been much speculation about the cause of the argument between FG and TG. I've seen some of the speculations later posted as fact but to the best of my knowledge no one on these forums know the cause. Since Tara was angry enough to leave and go home earlier than planned, it must have been a serious matter. I really don't think FG was too much into telling Tara how to live her life and I can't imagine why they would have argued about money so I have no "theory" about their argument. I do hope they talked on the phone and made things right between them before Tara disappeared the next weekend.

JMO

[gagal]

I hope they made peace also! Guilt is a horrible thing!! I would hate for FG to be worried about her last words to her daughter. All of us say or do things sometimes that gets someone riled, but we are fortunate that we have time to make amends. I'm sure what ever it was about was really nothing when it comes to the big picture. Just a typical mother/daughter thing. (I get lots of that at my house with my girls!!)

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by One2Snoop


Weren't the police called after some of Tara's co-workers arrived at her home - inspected it, found no Tara inside the home and her car parked in the driveway? I think this would be worthy of a police call, particularly if it was out of character for her to not just show up for work without calling. JMO

Yes, that is what I've heard from the beginning. When it was noted that Tara wasn't at work and had not called in, some of her co-workers/friends went to her home to check on her. Her neighbor, Mr P, was called upon to use his key and they went inside to check on her. When they realized she wasn't there, Mr P called the Chief and reported their findings.

IMO

[gagal]

Thanks for the correction. I have followed this case since the beginning and have read all the post at one point of another, but I'm afraid somethings blurred!

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring
Kundalini, you said, "I heard something on Forensic Files or one of those crime shows that said when a villan stalks or plans it is because he/she has killed before."

That's interesting because we've heard that Tara had possibly been looking at missing person websites. It made me wonder if someone had threatened to do to her what they may have done to someone else?

If so, this would mean she knew this person was serious, possibly took a look at some missing persons sites and realized this man/woman was serious about their threat if she found possible victims? I don't know, just a guess, but it would make sense that she would be afraid enough to get out of town.

Either way, if she left town, it was due to fear, IMO.

That is interesting you bring this up because I recall a poster saying that a poster told him that he would get what his wife got. That sounded really bad to me. I wonder if this posters wife is alive, crippled, beat the crap out of, and whatever else? Almost as if it was a brag that he had done this to his wife. I hope someone is helping his wife. JMHO

[readmylips]

Originally posted by Merrick


Slowly reading everything! Good points. Why were they so concerned? Do you think we'll ever know?

since tara's mother has never said that anyone called her that sunday night i don't know if i really believe it happened. she had plenty of opportunities in interviews to say hd called her. she didn't. should we assume she left it out on purpose or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by readmylips


since tara's mother has never said that anyone called her that sunday night i don't know if i really believe it happened. she had plenty of opportunities in interviews to say hd called her. she didn't. should we assume she left it out on purpose or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?

{{or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?}}

Something to think about RML. My spin on this is to first consider the source. (corndog) Well I have a first hand experience what this joker is capable of doing and it's not pretty.

Our only information has been posted by a poster going by the nic Popcorn who I firmly belive speaks for or is Dr. G. Dr. G stated HD made less than 10 calls to Tara on Sunday. My information is he made about twice this amount.

With this said I consider that no one has ever disputed this information or the fact that HD spoke to FG and there have been many that would have if there were not sufficent evidence this did not happen. Just my thoughts. I guess I have opened a can of worms for this to be disputed one year later but it's too late to have any bearing on my thouhts. MHOO

[The R]

Originally posted by readmylips


since tara's mother has never said that anyone called her that sunday night i don't know if i really believe it happened. she had plenty of opportunities in interviews to say hd called her. she didn't. should we assume she left it out on purpose or should we assume she was being forthright and it didnt happen?

I agree that info from some sources isn't very credible and sometimes am shocked to see and smell the errors of scorched microwave popcorn.......but let me play the devil's advocate for a second by asking these questions.....

What if it is true that HD was involved at the time just for Tara's protection? There is evidence she'd been distraught and had arguments with a former boyfriend. What if HD told the family of this and was there for that purpose? How possible is it that that's why he was calling her on Saturday?

Then there's the possibility that HD simply used the story of protecting her just to have an excuse to be near her? That maybe he was calling on Saturday to ask why she was late? Is it really possible the the AG/Popcorn alliance is on such a fevered witchhunt that it produced a story about HD and his involvement?

I'd have to say at this point that I'm still on the fence as far as HD's involvement. Until there's more evidence to the contrary I'd be more inclined to go with, heaven forbid, the story put forth by the kernel's army.

I'd be the first to admit however that anything is possible here, especially given the dynamic that no one has addressed much IMO; that being the psychological dynamic of a former beauty queen that hasn't married yet at 30 being seriously attracted to LE officers, LE officers(males) that often times have issues with power and ego, especially as they relate to pretty girls......such a combination can be pretty dramatic when adding in things like affairs and divorces.

So many questions; so few answers.

Sorry to ramble....all MO.


R

[concernedperson]

I have to admit when I look back, everything we know about HD comes from popcorn or his group. Nothing but phone calls from HD(CL article) has ever been verified by a reputable source.

The spin is out there for a reason we just don't know that reason.

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


I find this very interesting and hope luvmylabpups will discuss this further. Luv, I see your point here.

If Mr. P was already INSIDE Tara's house when he called police, why was the door locked when police got there? He was on the porch, called the chief and then what? The police dept is less than a 1 minute drive to Tara's home. LESS than ONE minute to get there. If he was standing on her porch, why did he lock the door back?

When Mr. P said "we couldn't find Tara in the house that Monday morning," who is WE? We as in Mr. and Mrs. P couldn't find her, or WE as in Mr. P and co-workers from ICHS?

Who was with Mr. P when he made that call to the chief from the Tara's porch?

GS, I don't think he was on the porch talking to LE because I thought he was around the car or carport talking to the LE when he noticed the glove. IIRC JMHO

[Results]

Let me explain better I took him saying walking back to the front porch is when I spotted the glove while talking to LE. I hope that makes sense. JMHO

[One2Snoop]

GRACE: Back to next-door neighbor of Tara Grinstead`s, Joe Portier. Joe, your yard was perfect. It looked like it was from home beautiful, as did Tara Grinstead`s. You two often worked in the yards together. Now, would it have been like her to have a latex glove found in her front yard?

PORTIER: I would not think so, Nancy. After I had called the local police when we couldn`t find Tara in the house that Monday morning, I walked back to the front porch talking to the chief of police on my cell phone. And that`s when I spied the latex glove. It was actually before the police got there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


I thought he was inside her home and was walking back to the front porch from inside the home, as if to exit the home, when he "spied" the latex glove outside.

Either way, he locked the door back after he called the police?

And who was with him when he checked the house out?

He says "we" were unable to find her in the house.

We? Mr. P and ______?

You are more than likely right and I am wrong. I just assumed the way it was worded walking back to the front porch is when I spotted the glove in the yard. IF I recall correctly GS there were many people in that house. IIRC, there were several people that witnessed the phone calls that HD made is why I am thinking there were many at her home that morning. I could be wrong again though but I will try to find it for you since it seems important to you because I know how I feel when I'm looking for an answer and appreciate those that help me. So, I will try to help you if I can. JMHO

[dixinites]

Ok...I'm a new poster here, but I've been reading for months. My take on this from reading the interview is that Mr. P. went next door to ck on Tara, she didn't answer the door so he went in to look for her. After he didnt find her, he went back home after re-locking the door, got his cell phone and called the police while walking back over. In minutes, the police were there, so he unlocked the door for them. While waiting he saw the glove. i don't see a big mystery here.

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
Ok...I'm a new poster here, but I've been reading for months. My take on this from reading the interview is that Mr. P. went next door to ck on Tara, she didn't answer the door so he went in to look for her. After he didnt find her, he went back home after re-locking the door, got his cell phone and called the police while walking back over. In minutes, the police were there, so he unlocked the door for them. While waiting he saw the glove. i don't see a big mystery here.

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

Welcome dixinites, I think AG described the glove found in Tara's yard as being the kind used by medical professionals or labs. For some reason I have always thought the glove found in Tara's was the clear kind and not the blue. I read the article about lingerie found on Green Road but from information I have as who was seen in the area on Green Road just prior to the lingerie being found by Dr. G. I don't think the lingerie found will hold much evidence. Your theory on Mr. P sounds logic and makes good sense. Thanks.

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
Ok...I'm a new poster here, but I've been reading for months. My take on this from reading the interview is that Mr. P. went next door to ck on Tara, she didn't answer the door so he went in to look for her. After he didnt find her, he went back home after re-locking the door, got his cell phone and called the police while walking back over. In minutes, the police were there, so he unlocked the door for them. While waiting he saw the glove. i don't see a big mystery here.

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

Welcome to the Tara Grinstead case. I don't know about the type of glove in the yard. IIRC I remember somewhere a poster had posted that Dr G was wearing a blue glove which was ironic because the glove in the ditch was blue that is the only reason I remember the blue glove in the ditch. Sorry I couldn't be of more help to your questions. JMHO

[dixinites]

Thnk you IJM and Results for your responses and your "welcomes". I am curious as to who agrees with me that there was no sign of struggle in Tara's home. The lamp and clock could easily have been the cat. The necklace could have come off when she removed her top in changing clothes...I think she left on her own accord or was coerced at gunpoint. JMO.

(Off subject) As for the missing earrings, I think she took them off in her car on the way home and put them in her missing purse, or she was still wearing them when she was interrupted by a call or visitor. Again, JMO.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by dixinites

Has anyone else read the article regarding lingerie being found in vicinity of Green Rd and a blue latex glove being found in a ditch nearby? Was it the same type as the one found in Tara's yard?

As a matter of fact, the blue glove found in a ditch during a search sounds indentical to the blue gloves Dr G was wearing when he "processed" Tara's house. There are pictures and videos, on the internet, of Dr G wearing the blue gloves if you want to look it up.

Welcome to the Tara Grinstead forum.

IMO

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


Thank you results. With a sigh, I appreciate your help.

Don't let me bother you GS. I will keep to myself and not bother you again. JMHO

[dixinites]

Thanks for the welcome Lindsey! I've been hesitant to post because "newbies" seem to be regarded with such suspicion...lol.

Wasn't it Dr G. who found the blue glove in the dich in the first place? No real implication here, just weird. I have seen many, many latex gloves of the clear variety: haircolor kits, painters, home nurses (to care for patients "restrrom needs"), but I have never seen any blue ones anywhere before. Wonder why they would be in a ditch in a rural area. Just weird.

[dixinites]

I posted this on the "motives" thread, but received no responses,
so I hope you don't mind if I repeat it here:

Has anyone mentioned the pageant video she was going to watch? Regarding a timeline, it would seem relevent as to where this video was found. Was it in the video player, or laid somewhere so she could get back to it later?

Also, were the clothes she pulled out of her closet (and laid on top of the clothes she had worn earlier) the type she would wear to church the next morning, the type she would wear to go to a rendevous, or comfy clothes? I've seen some pics, but I couldn't tell.

Another question is about the phone call she received from her friend while at the BBQ about 10:30. Did she seem to be in a hurry to leave after the call? Did she stay to watch the end of the game? Just wondering why her "friend" would pass on this info and whether or not Tara thought she could run into Marcus at the bar.

I also read that she recieved a call later than the 10:30 call.
Where did that information come from and supposedly, who was the call from.

If someone could respond to any of these questions, please do.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
Thnk you IJM and Results for your responses and your "welcomes". I am curious as to who agrees with me that there was no sign of struggle in Tara's home. The lamp and clock could easily have been the cat. The necklace could have come off when she removed her top in changing clothes...I think she left on her own accord or was coerced at gunpoint. JMO.

(Off subject) As for the missing earrings, I think she took them off in her car on the way home and put them in her missing purse, or she was still wearing them when she was interrupted by a call or visitor. Again, JMO.

I agree that there are no signs of a struggle but I don't have a theory that is more important than another of what really really happened. I do believe that Tara either dressed to go out again or left barefoot because her normal shoes where at her house according to my information. I know normal shoes means nothing to most women but I don't think Tara made a quick run because I think she would have slipped on her normal shoes if it was a quick run somewhere. Just my thoughts and as always I can be wrong.

[dixinites]

No, the "normal shoes" point is very relevent. I too, have my
"run to the mailbox or convenience shoes", so I agree that she perhaps put on some "steppin' out" shoes, which to me would indicate she was planning to meet someone. That is if she didnt have more than one pair of normal shoes.

My theories lean toward somone came to her door and feigned an emergency regarding a student (in which case she would grab the most convenient, probably her normal, shoes) or that she dressed up to try to catch up with MH at the bar.

Who said her normal shoes were missing, BTW?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
No, the "normal shoes" point is very relevent. I too, have my
"run to the mailbox or convenience shoes", so I agree that she perhaps put on some "steppin' out" shoes, which to me would indicate she was planning to meet someone. That is if she didnt have more than one pair of normal shoes.

My theories lean toward somone came to her door and feigned an emergency regarding a student (in which case she would grab the most convenient, probably her normal, shoes) or that she dressed up to try to catch up with MH at the bar.

Who said her normal shoes were missing, BTW?

Sorry I want name personal names but I believe my source about the shoes NOT being missing. Without going back to see what I actually posted but my information is Tara's normal shoes (tennis like shoes that your feet slides in) are NOT missing. Sorry if I posted wrong.

[One2Snoop]

Thats what my understandong is also IJM, the slip on shoes that Tara normally wore, to slip on to go outdoors, etc... were still in the house. The "expensive pair of shoes" she had on the night of Oct. 22nd according to AG and pictures provided were found in Tara's home.
I haven't heard anything about another pair of shoes or slip ons missing from Tara's home. MOO, JMO.

[Results]

Originally posted by guitarstring


HUH? ??

You tell me you know how it feels to want to know something. You offer to help me find the answer to my question.
I say thank you and then you....
say nevermind? You will keep it to yourself?

If you want to do things that way, ok, but I don't get it.

I thought you were being a smartass about me helping you. I'm sorry I took your post wrong. I will post this information that you are looking for. I apologize for misreading your post.

[Results]

Originally posted by Its just me


Sorry I want name personal names but I believe my source about the shoes NOT being missing. Without going back to see what I actually posted but my information is Tara's normal shoes (tennis like shoes that your feet slides in) are NOT missing. Sorry if I posted wrong.

You didn't post wrong. You said they were still at her home. Just thought I would let you know.

[dixinites]

No problem...I will take your word for it, IJM, I was just curious as to whether this was documented, re: interviews, news articles, etc. that I could go back and read. I've read a zillion posts, but so many are sidetracked, etc, it's really difficult to sift thru the information.

I think the shoes Tara was wearing is very relevant as to where she was going (and why), when she left her her house.

If she was "dressed up", I think she was going to check out MH at the bar...if she wasn't, then I think she left because of a fake emergency or, as I have stated earlier, under threatening circumstances.

If the car seat wasn't compromised by the curious neighbor, and it was used by her or the perp, then I think two people were involved, and I thnk one was a female.

Anyway, the shoes she was wearing would be VERY telling...

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
No problem...I will take your word for it, IJM, I was just curious as to whether this was documented, re: interviews, news articles, etc. that I could go back and read. I've read a zillion posts, but so many are sidetracked, etc, it's really difficult to sift thru the information.

I think the shoes Tara was wearing is very relevant as to where she was going (and why), when she left her her house.

If she was "dressed up", I think she was going to check out MH at the bar...if she wasn't, then I think she left because of a fake emergency or, as I have stated earlier, under threatening circumstances.

If the car seat wasn't compromised by the curious neighbor, and it was used by her or the perp, then I think two people were involved, and I thnk one was a female.

Anyway, the shoes she was wearing would be VERY telling...

No it's not documented but I truly think if a good news reporter would go to Ocilla and ask the right people the right questions we could get some valuable information that could be documented. I think some valuable information was loss with the car, I think it should have been secured on day one. I agree Mr. P did not help if he moved the seat but hopful LE can work through that and determine exactly what position the seat was in before anyone got into the car. BFD explained what could have been determined if the car had never been driven to the car wash but it is too difficult for me to explain but I think the way it was explained it could have been determined maybe the length of the last trip of the car. Something like this anyway..Got it in my head but can't put it in writting. :)

[dixinites]

I agree that the car information in the car was compromised, as well as ALOT of information inside the house. In that regard, the initial investigation was a real "mucky-muck". It's a shame that so many people were allowed inside the house unsupervised,
even if at the time it was just considered a missing persons case.
it should have been secured, as well as the car,

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
I agree that the car information in the car was compromised, as well as ALOT of information inside the house. In that regard, the initial investigation was a real "mucky-muck". It's a shame that so many people were allowed inside the house unsupervised,
even if at the time it was just considered a missing persons case.
it should have been secured, as well as the car,

I am concerned about the GBI coming back 5 times within a 2 week span but allowed people to go in the house when they weren't there. Why were people allowed in the house when the GBI kept coming back for goodness sakes they came back 5 times and allowed people to enter the house between the times they came back. That does not make sense to me. What the heck were they doing? What was the other trips for since they released the house Tuesday? LG went through all of the papers at the desk and AG made the bed yet the GBI continued to come back to the house what the heck for? Then the car, what is the truth about the car, who wanted the car washed? A poster says that the car was washed because Tara would die if she saw her car like that so they washed it for when she came home but yet they didn't clean the house wouldn't she be more concern for the house looking bad then the car? Nothing makes sense in this case. Chain reactions from the beginning until present is like a roller coaster ride wihtout being buckled in...you better be prepared to take a long ride and hang on for dear life. JMHO

[dixinites]

Yes, I think the GBI released the house much too early. Maybe they realized that after the fact. Maybe all the "extra" trips were the results of tips they received afterward. It was just plain DUM for the family to have the car washed and to tidy up the house.
Why would anyone clean the car or house for Tara's "return",
when it was in the same state she had left it in? It's not like she hadn't already seen the unmade bed...and the fingerprinting dust wasn't like someone had poured battery acid on her car or something. If and when she came back, I'm sure she would understand why the car had been dusted in the first place. Sounds real "ditzy" to me. JMO.

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
Yes, I think the GBI released the house much too early. Maybe they realized that after the fact. Maybe all the "extra" trips were the results of tips they received afterward. It was just plain DUM for the family to have the car washed and to tidy up the house.
Why would anyone clean the car or house for Tara's "return",
when it was in the same state she had left it in? It's not like she hadn't already seen the unmade bed...and the fingerprinting dust wasn't like someone had poured battery acid on her car or something. If and when she came back, I'm sure she would understand why the car had been dusted in the first place. Sounds real "ditzy" to me. JMO.

It is possible they got tips which made them go back to Tara's. I don't know? JMHO

[concernedperson]

my daughter has been in a hospital for a number of months and blue gloves are the only ones worn

everyone wears the same color medical staff and cleaning crews etc>

sorry about the punctuation computer is acting really weird this morning

[dixinites]

Ty CP, for the info on the blue gloves, I had never noticed them at a hospital before. I guess they are not so "exotic" after all.
(Hope your daughter is better, BTW).

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
Yes, I think the GBI released the house much too early. Maybe they realized that after the fact. Maybe all the "extra" trips were the results of tips they received afterward. It was just plain DUM for the family to have the car washed and to tidy up the house.
Why would anyone clean the car or house for Tara's "return",
when it was in the same state she had left it in? It's not like she hadn't already seen the unmade bed...and the fingerprinting dust wasn't like someone had poured battery acid on her car or something. If and when she came back, I'm sure she would understand why the car had been dusted in the first place. Sounds real "ditzy" to me. JMO.

LOL Ditzy is a good word to describe the cleaning of the house and the washing of the car. You and I share the same thoughts on this. I wish it all had been secured for a short time. At least secured until the officers had more time to get a grasp on things. Just a bad call that hopefully has not jeopardized the case.

[dixinites]

I've just been reading the "Theories" thread which seems to be a VERY good one. I wonder why it has been abandoned? (Since Oct. 31)??? Seems to me like that would be a good place to compile information gathered thusfar, unless someone has a question or comment about a specific topic. JMO, but I'm just a "newbie"...

[dixinites]

As I've stated on another thread, Merrick, I agree with you entirely regarding the initial processing...grrrrrr. It's just so
frustrating to see how much potential evidence was apparently
(JMO) lost because the scene was not properly secured. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!! I just hope they got what they needed. Then, I read that the family is disgruntled with LE's handling of the case. They are the ones who got in there and "cleaned up" the place and hosted the media who made bad matters worse with all their staging! (As illustrated by the aforementioned photos, to stay on topic).

I know all of this has already been said, but I needed to vent.
Sorry. In the words of Forrest Gump, "that's all I want to say about that".

[Its just me]

Originally posted by dixinites
As I've stated on another thread, Merrick, I agree with you entirely regarding the initial processing...grrrrrr. It's just so
frustrating to see how much potential evidence was apparently
(JMO) lost because the scene was not properly secured. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!! I just hope they got what they needed. Then, I read that the family is disgruntled with LE's handling of the case. They are the ones who got in there and "cleaned up" the place and hosted the media who made bad matters worse with all their staging! (As illustrated by the aforementioned photos, to stay on topic).

I know all of this has already been said, but I needed to vent.
Sorry. In the words of Forrest Gump, "that's all I want to say about that".

Good points that can not be argued over. Things are what they are. BTW I loved Forrest Gump in the movie and another saying I liked is....Stupid is as Stupid does. Close enough in the quote and it Fits somewhat here. MHOO

[dixinites]

Yep, that quote would DEFINITELY fit here!

And I realize what's done is done, I just needed to vent a little...deep breath...and let's just take it from here.

[TuscanDreams]

About the blue gloves, has it been confirmed that they were indeed blue?

Just a note, blue latex gloves are what comes in the DNA kits that LE obtains from offenders. Those gloves don't have powder in them like some latex gloves do, so I don't know that a blue glove would be that easy to remove a latent print from.

[fsbiii]

"We focused on this area because of several comments we received from some of the landowners," Godwin stated. "About a quarter mile north of Ocilla, we found [lingerie] that was the same brand Tara wore. We also located a blue latex glove in a ditch nearby."

(From Douglas Daily News article)

===

In the preceding paragraph, he mentions Green Rd (where Harper's mom lives). Then he says these things were found north of Ocilla. Green Rd is not north of Ocilla.

There's no telling what he "found" or where he "found" it, IMO.

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
About the blue gloves, has it been confirmed that they were indeed blue?

Just a note, blue latex gloves are what comes in the DNA kits that LE obtains from offenders. Those gloves don't have powder in them like some latex gloves do, so I don't know that a blue glove would be that easy to remove a latent print from.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"We focused on this area because of several comments we received from some of the landowners," Godwin stated. "About a quarter mile north of Ocilla, we found [lingerie] that was the same brand Tara wore. We also located a blue latex glove in a ditch nearby."

(From Douglas Daily News article)

===

In the preceding paragraph, he mentions Green Rd (where Harper's mom lives). Then he says these things were found north of Ocilla. Green Rd is not north of Ocilla.

There's no telling what he "found" or where he "found" it, IMO.



Right or if someone didn't put it there to be found.

[Results]

Originally posted by Its just me


Right or if someone didn't put it there to be found.

I agree. It really concerns me to what extent will AG go to to make sure that MH is the perp. I don't trust AG at all because her actions have spoke load and clear to me and Dr G I'm still upset over if MH don't kill me first oh please. BTW, Dr G since your death threat I hope you spent a few dollars and got you a *69 feature. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Results


I agree. It really concerns me to what extent will AG go to to make sure that MH is the perp. I don't trust AG at all because her actions have spoke load and clear to me and Dr G I'm still upset over if MH don't kill me first oh please. BTW, Dr G since your death threat I hope you spent a few dollars and got you a *69 feature. JMHO

And both can only blame their self because their own actions have caused some people to have questions . BTW I don’t believe the death threat nonsense either.

[odette]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"We focused on this area because of several comments we received from some of the landowners," Godwin stated. "About a quarter mile north of Ocilla, we found [lingerie] that was the same brand Tara wore. We also located a blue latex glove in a ditch nearby."

(From Douglas Daily News article)

===

In the preceding paragraph, he mentions Green Rd (where Harper's mom lives). Then he says these things were found north of Ocilla. Green Rd is not north of Ocilla.

There's no telling what he "found" or where he "found" it, IMO.



In the preceding paragraph, he mentions Green Rd (where Harper's mom lives). Then he says these things were found north of Ocilla. Green Rd is not north of Ocilla.

Yes fsbiii ... I remember reading that at the time and thinking, hey, that's not right ... HUGE discrepancy in the locations given. The whole lingerie/blue glove discoveries are very hinky to me.

IMOO

[fsbiii]

In the chat room one night Dr. G. was going on about cemeteries near the county line on the southern end and then made mention of Ben Hill County being south of Irwin...

I'm not sure what was going on. Nor do I think I wanna be.

Originally posted by odette


Yes fsbiii ... I remember reading that at the time and thinking, hey, that's not right ... HUGE discrepancy in the locations given. The whole lingerie/blue glove discoveries are very hinky to me.

IMOO

[One2Snoop]

Maybe Dr. G's compass was broken? :shrug:

[Results]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
Maybe Dr. G's compass was broken? :shrug:

:lol:

You reckon!

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by Results


:lol:

You reckon!

LOL, it certainly looks that way. :D

[dixinites]

Maybe it's different for each phone company, but here in coastal Georgia (BellSouth), *69 is available on a "per use" basis. I thought his comment about not having it was odd...where does he live? Pluto?

[Results]

Originally posted by dixinites
Maybe it's different for each phone company, but here in coastal Georgia (BellSouth), *69 is available on a "per use" basis. I thought his comment about not having it was odd...where does he live? Pluto?

All I know is on my phone if you pay for caller ID then *69 is free.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"We focused on this area because of several comments we received from some of the landowners," Godwin stated. "About a quarter mile north of Ocilla, we found [lingerie] that was the same brand Tara wore. We also located a blue latex glove in a ditch nearby."

(From Douglas Daily News article)

===

In the preceding paragraph, he mentions Green Rd (where Harper's mom lives). Then he says these things were found north of Ocilla. Green Rd is not north of Ocilla.

There's no telling what he "found" or where he "found" it, IMO.



Thank you for the info.

Now the question is whether or not to trust Godwin.

I agree with Results that certain parties in this case have tunnel vision and will do anything to make that one person appear to be guilty.

Since Godwin is a profiler, he'd know that the LE DNA kits all have blue gloves.

[dixinites]

OK, I'm confused again (still?) All the news articles I've read (mostly in Crime Library), say the glove at Tara's was a CLEAR latex glove. I had posted a question about whether or not the glove at Tara's was blue, like the one found by DrG. on Green Rd. and I was told by many that their impression was that the one at Tara's was a CLEAR glove, not blue. Which is it?

A quote from Rita Crosby (news reporter?) says "the biggest mystery here is a white latex glove found in her (Tara's) yard about 10 feet from her house."

In an interview by NGrace, AG says "It's the type that paramedics, police officers keep, not something we just have around our homes."

This was all discussed at length on the "Theories" thread.

[dixinites]

An article by Seamus McG dated March 30 (Supporters Plan...)
"Gattis (Larry) maintains at least TWO witnesses have affirmed they were at the house on Sunday and the glove was not there."

One was the dog owner to pick up the dog, the other was HD.
Was it daylight when the dog owner went over? If they were getting the dog out of the fenced back yard, it could have been easily overlooked...

I thought HD reported that he was over there after midnight Sunday...again, (assuming he's not the one who dropped it!) it could have been overlooked in the dark.

[fsbiii]

I don't recall anyone ever saying the glove in Tara's yard was blue. When Godwin said he found a blue one, I presumed he either knew the one in the yard was blue or thought it was (in order to make it seem like he'd found the match). JMOO.

Originally posted by Merrick


I'm in the process of moving and don't have access to a lot of links but IIRC it was Mr. P who said it was blue. Oh where is Lindsey, she has a veritable cornucopia of links.

[One2Snoop]

I don't remember a color being mentioned either....

GRACE: Back to next-door neighbor of Tara Grinstead`s, Joe Portier. Joe, your yard was perfect. It looked like it was from home beautiful, as did Tara Grinstead`s. You two often worked in the yards together. Now, would it have been like her to have a latex glove found in her front yard?

PORTIER: I would not think so, Nancy. After I had called the local police when we couldn`t find Tara in the house that Monday morning, I walked back to the front porch talking to the chief of police on my cell phone. And that`s when I spied the latex glove. It was actually before the police got there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

[lighthousedazy]

Originally posted by One2Snoop
I don't remember a color being mentioned either....

GRACE: Back to next-door neighbor of Tara Grinstead`s, Joe Portier. Joe, your yard was perfect. It looked like it was from home beautiful, as did Tara Grinstead`s. You two often worked in the yards together. Now, would it have been like her to have a latex glove found in her front yard?

PORTIER: I would not think so, Nancy. After I had called the local police when we couldn`t find Tara in the house that Monday morning, I walked back to the front porch talking to the chief of police on my cell phone. And that`s when I spied the latex glove. It was actually before the police got there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html From every thing I've read we assumed the glove was the white, latex kind. The blue gloves are the nitrile type that they use in hospitals. jmo

[Elle_Woods]

The types of gloves being mentioned are available to almost anyone and for a wide variety of jobs beyond medical or le. It's possible that if someone works in a medical setting or lab that maybe they do think that the gloves are items ordered specifically for their profession. So, I can't tell whether AG was trying to go somewhere and implicate somebody or whether she really thinks these gloves are some exclusive item. Sometimes when people use something in their work setting, they don't realize how accessible it is to other people. So, I don't know.

But, I do know that these gloves are everywhere....child care settings, food banks, school kitchens, pretty much any event where food is being served to the general public (including school events), etc. It's not that hard to obtain a pair. One of the outreach activities I do is through a food bank and these gloves are all over the place, even the purple ones.. which I'd previously only seen in gynecologist offices. lol

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by lighthousedazy
From every thing I've read we assumed the glove was the white, latex kind. The blue gloves are the nitrile type that they use in hospitals. jmo

Great, now we don't even know for sure what color the glove was that was found- if I read this correctly.

Where is the fact and where is the fiction in this case? It's ridiculous!

[fsbiii]

Clearing up AG's implications, perhaps?

From her Larry Harriet interview:

"I am also distraught about the fact that there was a latex glove found outside of Tara's home after she disappeared, and police cars have latex gloves."

"I am disturbed with the fact that [Harper] is an army ranger, and Tara was disappeared without a trace. In fact, I am disturbed with the fact that he has access to army bases. Also, in that he has knowledge to dispose of a body, I am just concerned."

Originally posted by Elle_Woods
The types of gloves being mentioned are available to almost anyone and for a wide variety of jobs beyond medical or le. It's possible that if someone works in a medical setting or lab that maybe they do think that the gloves are items ordered specifically for their profession. So, I can't tell whether AG was trying to go somewhere and implicate somebody or whether she really thinks these gloves are some exclusive item. Sometimes when people use something in their work setting, they don't realize how accessible it is to other people. So, I don't know.

But, I do know that these gloves are everywhere....child care settings, food banks, school kitchens, pretty much any event where food is being served to the general public (including school events), etc. It's not that hard to obtain a pair. One of the outreach activities I do is through a food bank and these gloves are all over the place, even the purple ones.. which I'd previously only seen in gynecologist offices. lol

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Clearing up AG's implications, perhaps?

From her Larry Harriet interview:

"I am also distraught about the fact that there was a latex glove found outside of Tara's home after she disappeared, and police cars have latex gloves."

"I am disturbed with the fact that [Harper] is an army ranger, and Tara was disappeared without a trace. In fact, I am disturbed with the fact that he has access to army bases. Also, in that he has knowledge to dispose of a body, I am just concerned."

:eek: Do you have a link to that entire interview?

[fsbiii]

Naturally. :)

It's in different places online, here's one:

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-2YQBcBIic6NAz9AAmsSHO70EhV6ZXA--?l=11&u=15&mx=24&lmt=5

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


:eek: Do you have a link to that entire interview?

[Results]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Naturally. :)

It's in different places online, here's one:

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-2YQBcBIic6NAz9AAmsSHO70EhV6ZXA--?l=11&u=15&mx=24&lmt=5



TO ANITA GATTIS:

Now isn't that something. Why wasn't HD mentioned the one that was around Tara's house that is LE and could have had the glove and dropped it. Oh yeah wait the perp just kept missing HD wow unbelievable. Another thing your worried about AV when your MR HD stayed in the house when AV was acting crazy outside of Tara's home what is the matter is he a wimp but only a man when he carries a badge? Come on AG WAKE THE HELL UP! It is my opinion that you are a very dangerous woman and I hope that MH/FS sues your ass. You have some nerve. Was your husband her doctor? Isn't that illegal? Was your husband her GYN? Now that is not creepy that is disgusting! Where is your piles of E-mails that you oh so sent to her? Where is the medicine prescribed to her? YOU MAKE ME SICK. I have never in my life seen anything like you AG and I hope I never do. You have turned this around to be about you and it is not it is about TARA GRINSTEAD AND NOT ANITA GATTIS. Do you hear me? You have done nothing but mislead the public with all your accusations and false statements and you have destroyed this case and you better believe THAT IS MY OPINION. Thanks to you the one shot that we had to find Tara you destroyed it. Oh we so thank you for that. Do you have no shame? Do you even give a damn? THIS IS MY OPINION AND ONLY MY OPINION BUT YOU AG SURE HELPED ME MAKE IT.

[Results]

Originally posted by Mannequin
why cant mh go back to work?

Is your PM to me a threat or advice? Which one is it? Don't ever PM me again.

[Results]

Originally posted by Results


Is your PM to me a threat or advice? Which one is it? Don't ever PM me again.

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by Mannequin
why cant mh go back to work?

This sounds like a question you need to ask MH himself - not people on a message board. :rolleyes:

[Results]

Since you will not acknowledge what your PM meant let me just go ahead and clear this up right now. 1st thing IF I am doing damage to this case by talking about HD then the GBI/LE needs to contact me and request me to please not talk about HD until I get that phone call from them I will continue to discuss HD it is my right to have an opinion and it is my right to have a theory on HD. PM's like yours that ask me to step back only want me to investigate HD even more. He has no pass and he is not riding under my radar he is riding at the top. IF I thought for one minute that I was damaging this investigation because I talk about HD then I would stop but I don't see the GBI/LE knocking down my door to tell me to stop talking about him so who are you to tell me to stop talking about him and to step back? What right do you have to tell me what I can or cannot say about a POI? You turned right around and attacked MH asking why he didn't go back to work but right before that you send me a PM telling me not to speak about HD so it is ok to speak of everyone but HD? I would like to know who told you to send me that PM? You have just given me more ammo to look more towards HD then before? So, I don't have time for your PM's telling me of who I can and can't talk about and I sure don't have time for PM's telling me to step back. Now, I'm not going to bother you anymore or send you a PM and I want the same respect from you so don't bother me and don't send me no more friggin PM's. That is the best truce I can make for you at the moment. JMHO

[TuscanDreams]

Katmandu: results, was ag's hubby tara's gyno too? i knew he was her general practioner, but? He said he thought of Tara like a sister, so yeah, that's awkward, to say the least. But if she felt comfortable with him, that's also awkward. Imagine going to family functions with your bil, who is also your gyno? And the prescription meds you mentioned, was there NO rx in Tara's house when it was searched? i don't recall much about that.

Is that true or another myth? Please tell me that Tara's brother in law was not her gyn.

[One2Snoop]

Please tell me that Tara's brother in law was not her gyn.


Logis tells me the answer to this would be NO. If LG truely treated Tara like a sister - I just don't see this happening. JMO

[Atok]

I was sent a pm from someone that LG has provided gynecology care to. So he does or has provided that care in the past.

I do not know if he ever provided gynecology care to his SIL.

I think that's all we are ever going to "know."

[One2Snoop]

I think that's all we are ever going to "know."

I think you're right Atok.

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by kathmandu
thanks Atok. I just cringe at the thought of such personal things being discussed but everything means something. if that type of med care has been given to someone else by LG then it means it is possible he provided that type of medical care to TG but i'd like to think it was not probable that he saw his sil as a patient in that area of care. i'd like to think not. does he have to have a specific license to practice in that area?? i don't know how that works.
:shrug:

IIRC he's licensed in Family Practice/Geriatrics. I know that my FP doctor provides gyn exams although I choose to go to a GYN for that instead.

[Lindsey]

I was told in PMs and private chat LG was Tara's doctor, including gyn care. They thought it was weird, as do I, but that's what was said.

MOO

[Results]

Originally posted by Lindsey
I was told in PMs and private chat LG was Tara's doctor, including gyn care. They thought it was weird, as do I, but that's what was said.

MOO

For the record I did not get this from Lindsey. I got my information from 2 different sources which is why I believe he was her GYN because one source is not in the AG camp and one source is from the AG camp. The source from the AG camp was defending LG saying that I was making it look like it was inappropriate behavior and FOR THE RECORD I never thought it was inappropriate behavior I thought it was disgusting! JMHO

[Lindsey]

I should have added, I was told this last year soon after Tara went missing. One source lives in Irwin County and one source lives in Hawkinsville. I believe both sources have accurate information.

MOO

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Results
FOR THE RECORD I never thought it was inappropriate behavior I thought it was disgusting! JMHO

I think it's inappropriate and disgusting- ethically, it's wrong.

[Results]

I'm not going to say it is inappropriate. Every individual has the right to go to any doctor they want to. What if something was wrong with Tara that she did not want anyone else to know about and turned to someone she trusted. She had the choice to go to however she wanted to. I don't think it is a secret that LG and Tara were close and I believe that they were close. We as society say it is inappropriate and you have the right to feel that way. But, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt of why she went to him for that. I could never do that in a million years but does that make it inappropriate. No it does not IMO. IMO I think it is gross and disgusting but I think that she had to get someone she trusted to check her out for whatever that reason was. I'm not trying to down any of you for your opinion of being inappropriate or whatever you feel. All I am saying is I BELIEVE THAT TARA did not want anyone to know why she needed a GYN and chose her B-I-L. I can't even imagine but I was not in Tara's shoes when she made that decision. My question to AG about LG being Tara's GYN was not to attack LG it was to try to find out why Tara would chose to go to him. That is all I have to say about it and as always this is my opinion on this matter. JMHO

TD, I agree IMO it was ethically wrong. Yet we all have to remember this was Tara's decision to make and rather right or wrong it was her right to choose any doctor she wanted. JMHO

[singlesix]

From the AMA Code of Ethics:

"In addition, while physicians should not serve as a primary or regular care provider for immediate family members, there are situations in which routine care is acceptable for short-term, minor problems."

Emergency care is also allowed.

singlesix

[Atok]

IMO It was becuase LG treated Tara that he was asked questions related to Tara's medical health on the day of his poly.

Those questions came up clean according to LG and this was the beginning of when he was getting mad with LE, becuase they tossed that "other" question into the mix regarding whether he ever been involved with Tara inappropriately.

If he saw her as a patient for GYN services I speculate they would ask if there was anything more than an annual routine exam being done for her at that visit. Of course, I have no idea what the question list contained nor do I have his poly results, so this really is unsubstantiated speculation.

I would be interested in knowing when her last exam was and if she was dealing with miscarriage or pregnancy issues prior to her disappearence. I don't think there is a chance in hell that anyone who would know that would divulge it on the message boards, but I can't say I am not curious to see if those issues played a role in this case.

At this stage, I would just like Tara recovered, with or without any dirty laundry to wash. I just want it over.

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Mannequin
why cant mh go back to work?

I would like to know who said that MH "can't" go back to work ?

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by sogalady
I would like to know who said that MH "can't" go back to work ?

I'd like to know where all of the Tara posters have gone to. I am used to coming here and reading a lot of info.

Maybe some posters don't know this forum is open again?

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by singlesix
From the AMA Code of Ethics: "In addition, while physicians should not serve as a primary or regular care provider for immediate family members, there are situations in which routine care is acceptable for short-term, minor problems."

Emergency care is also allowed.

singlesix

Yes, a gyn visit does not qualify for ethical consideration in this situation.

[InOcillaGA]

Originally posted by sogalady


I would like to know who said that MH "can't" go back to work ?

I don't know about just one person but I know many of the POIs have been told by the GBI not to leave the state. So if MH was working overseas it would be kinda hard to do.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by InOcillaGA


I don't know about just one person but I know many of the POIs have been told by the GBI not to leave the state. So if MH was working overseas it would be kinda hard to do.

Interesting info. When you say "many of the poi's" how many do you think there are?

[Results]

Originally posted by InOcillaGA


I don't know about just one person but I know many of the POIs have been told by the GBI not to leave the state. So if MH was working overseas it would be kinda hard to do.

I thought the authorities said they don't have a POI? Did I miss something? Is there now a list of POI that can't leave the state? How can I obtain this list of POI? TIA

[One2Snoop]

Originally posted by kathmandu
thread topic of interviews w/people involved and interested*

i was reading the article at this link
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1006/1901_tara_grinstead_anniversary4.html
the author made a very strange statement about the saturday night when tara was last seen. he wrote
"A creature of habit, she turned on the nightstand lamp, her signal to Joe and Myrtle Portier, even though she knew they were already asleep."

did tara come in saturday night and turn on her nightstand lamp? if so who saw it to tell him it was on? i thought the neighbors said they were concerned monday morning when they still had seen no lights on at tara's house, so when did that light come on and who saw it on to tell the author it was on?

There is every indication that Tara came home that Sat. night shortly after 11 PM. Whether she turned the lamp on or not - I don't think anyone knows the answer to that. I think this was just an assumption made by the author.

[sogalady]

Mannequin, once more, I would like to know, Who said that MH "CAN'T" go back to work ? If you post a question that actually seems to impose a statement , WHY would you not address it ? I can only come to one conclusion !

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by sogalady


I would like to know who said that MH "can't" go back to work ?

Is he working now? I thought he was attending a college.

[Results]

Originally posted by Mannequin
contact le or media maybe one of them can give it to you.

Hancock said he thinks foul play is involved, but there are "no named suspects."

Well I guess if I am to believe you then Hancock is just a liar?

Ocilla, police looking for breakthrough a year after Tara Grinstead's disappearance

By Tim Sturrock
TELEGRAPH STAFF WRITER ~ Posted on Sun, Oct. 15, 2006

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/15762851.htm

[Results]

Originally posted by Mannequin
contact le or media maybe one of them can give it to you.

One sentence bandit here is another one for you:

there is no known suspect or "person of interest,"

Spotlight fades as story goes cold

COMMENTARY: By Joe Kovac Jr. ~ TELEGRAPH STAFF WRITER ~ Posted on Sun, Oct. 15, 2006

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/15762852.htm

The media is reporting no POI and the LE is reporting no POI. So, where can I find a list of the POI that are not allowed to leave the state? You have been quiet helpful so far! ;)

[RCM-715]

Originally posted by InOcillaGA


I don't know about just one person but I know many of the POIs have been told by the GBI not to leave the state. So if MH was working overseas it would be kinda hard to do.

If I remember correctly, I cleared this question many posts ago. MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession. I personally know this as FACT. This question has been answered twice now. He may leave the state or states any time and to travel to other countries. It's okay for me to share with you that MH has been out of the country in the past few months. He is also attending college to complete an additional degree.
We all know why this question was even brought up again..........anytime the focus is on a certain person......well, you know the story. Over and Out

[odette]

Originally posted by RCM-715


If I remember correctly, I cleared this question many posts ago. MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession. I personally know this as FACT. This question has been answered twice now. He may leave the state or states any time and to travel to other countries. It's okay for me to share with you that MH has been out of the country in the past few months. He is also attending college to complete an additional degree.
We all know why this question was even brought up again..........anytime the focus is on a certain person......well, you know the story. Over and Out

Many thanks RCM for clarifying that once again .. Much appreciated :)

:beer:

[sogalady]

Originally posted by RCM-715


If I remember correctly, I cleared this question many posts ago. MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession. I personally know this as FACT. This question has been answered twice now. He may leave the state or states any time and to travel to other countries. It's okay for me to share with you that MH has been out of the country in the past few months. He is also attending college to complete an additional degree.
We all know why this question was even brought up again..........anytime the focus is on a certain person......well, you know the story. Over and Out

You are SO right !!! Reminds me a lot of cheerleading practice way back in the day, LOL ! We thought that we could never turn enough cartwheels, hehehehehahaha, and all of those "special moves" that were just becoming popular. It was head over ass, ass over head, head over ass, ass over head, we ALWAYS went home dizzy. Same thing here except for the fact that there are those who STAY dizzy ! But please remember that I am one of the "Grits" originals. Want to borrow my "Grits" cap , I have an extra one.


It takes a true SouthGeorgiaLady to be an original "Grits" girl !

We always "stick " together, especially when backing our friends, YEAP, just like GRITS !

[odette]

Originally posted by Merrick


It sure has been quiet since the boards were closed for a few days. The notice indicated that they would be closed until Dec 16 (probably a typo). I think you're right, a lot of folks don't realize the boards are open just in a different location. IMO.

Yes Merrick, I agree, the December opening thing threw me for a bit of a loop as well. I heard through the grapevine that CL was open for business, so all was ok in that regard but I must admit that it was a bit difficult trying to navigate my way here in the beginning. I have noticed posters on other forums at CL commenting that they too have had difficulties finding their way here as well.

imo

[One2Snoop]

Bump :rose: