Darren Mack Caught

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1
Another possibility..................

According to the timeline - the 911 call reporting that Judge Weller had been shot went out at 11:05am. It was 2:12pm when detectives opened the garage at Darren Mack's condo and discovered Charla's body.

Darren Mack had more than 3 hours before he was identified and bulletins put out to airports.

In that 3 hours, he could have escaped downtown, driven west on I-80 for 15 to 20 miles, tossed out Charla's belongings, and then returned to the Reno area. He could have parked the rented Ford Explorer in a storage unit rented under a false identity, and either had a friend take him to the Reno airport or used public transportation.

He could have flown out of the Reno airport before anyone knew his identity.
Possible, but not likely on a commercial aircraft. The first direct flight from RNO to LAX would be 3:10pm. Others between 11:10am and then are connections through SFO or LAS. Now, does he have any friends who own private aircraft? If so, where and have they been checked out? :shrug:

[LNL]

I caught a snippet of Rita Cosby tonight. She had on 2 guests. One was a sheriff the other I'm not sure. He said, I think, that Judge Weller was going to hold a press conference tomorrow. Did anyone else hear that? Time?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by LNL
I caught a snippet of Rita Cosby tonight. She had on 2 guests. One was a sheriff the other I'm not sure. He said, I think, that Judge Weller was going to hold a press conference tomorrow. Did anyone else hear that? Time?
I missed Rita's show, but it will be on again here at 10:00pm.

To check any updates on the case Click Here (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage)

[LNL]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I missed Rita's show, but it will be on again here at 10:00pm.

To check any updates on the case Click Here (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage)
Thanks, TT. I did look at that site a while ago but didn't find anything. I'll check tomorrow. It's getting late here...east coast.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Possible, but not likely on a commercial aircraft. The first direct flight from RNO to LAX would be 3:10pm. Others between 11:10am and then are connections through SFO or LAS. Now, does he have any friends who own private aircraft? If so, where and have they been checked out? :shrug:

I don't know, but I'm still bugged by the call he made to his cousin. I think he called him with a purpose in mind, other than what the cousin reportedly said. Just seems suspicious to me.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I don't know, but I'm still bugged by the call he made to his cousin. I think he called him with a purpose in mind, other than what the cousin reportedly said. Just seems suspicious to me.
I still have the cousin in mind also as having done more for him than accept his message 'to pursue the crusade' against Judge Weller. His residence is only a little over an hour's drive to Sacramento. :shrug:

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I still have the cousin in mind also as having done more for him than accept his message 'to pursue the crusade' against Judge Weller. His residence is only a little over an hour's drive to Sacramento. :shrug:

I'm shaking my head yes. I think you guys are onto something about the cousin. After they spoke on the cell phone, they realized that they better have a story as to why. Everyone DM came in contact with knew that he had this thing about the judge - heck, he had just been to the news station with documents - so, why would his cousin have to "spread the word?" Sounds toofishytome.:shrug:

[NevadaMom]

Maybe he called the cousin to help him hide the car and to take him to the Sacramento airport. Do we know what time the $2.00 parking charge was?

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
New charges filed against Mack (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060626/NEWS18/606260350&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews)

The new charges are attempted murder and battery with a deadly weapon. Both charges are related to the shooting of Judge Chuck Weller.

Darren Mack's lawyer said today the entire Washoe District Court and the District Attorney's office must be removed from the case because of a conflict of interest.

Here's an interesting quote from that link

"It's a video arraignment in which he'll stay at the Washoe County Jail and speak through a video camera to a judge in Reno Justice Court."

After the sniper attack on Juge Weller, video is a darn good idea!

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I still have the cousin in mind also as having done more for him than accept his message 'to pursue the crusade' against Judge Weller. His residence is only a little over an hour's drive to Sacramento. :shrug:

Yes, that's where he *lives* -- a little over an hour away.

But, what time did the cousin "SAY" that Matt called him? 10am 11am? Has it been reported what time he called? Maybe his cousin was actually closer to Sacramento (on business)? And too, maybe it was prearranged the night before, like it was for Osborne to pickup and transport Erika?

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


He then went to "clean up" and change clothes, called Osborne to meet him for coffee in order to defuse Osborne's suspicions of anything being wrong. He probably told Osborne the dog knocked over a bucket of red paint in the garage.

Not likely that would be believed as it's a lot more difficult to clean paint off of hair then blood would be.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Maybe he called the cousin to help him hide the car and to take him to the Sacramento airport. Do we know what time the $2.00 parking charge was?

IIRC, I think the card was swiped at approx 2:30pm.

Toby would know the exact time.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Not likely that would be believed as it's a lot more difficult to clean paint off of hair then blood would be.

I was just kidding about the bucket of red paint!

But what do you suppose DM told Osborne? Or maybe Osborne never mentioned to DM about the blood on the dog, it could be that Osborne just mentioned about DM's arm being wrapped in the towel?

[magpie1]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Yes, that's where he *lives* -- a little over an hour away.

But, what time did the cousin "SAY" that Matt called him? 10am 11am? Has it been reported what time he called? Maybe his cousin was actually closer to Sacramento (on business)? And too, maybe it was prearranged the night before, like it was for Osborne to pickup and transport Erika? [/QUOTE

According to the official timeline given by the Reno police, Darren called his cousin, Jeff Donner, at 11:19am - within minutes of shooting Judge Weller (the 911 call that Judge Weller had been shot was at 11:05am).

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by magpie1
According to the official timeline given by the Reno police, Darren called his cousin, Jeff Donner, at 11:19am - within minutes of shooting Judge Weller (the 911 call that Judge Weller had been shot was at 11:05am).

Thanks for the clarification, I thought it had been within minutes after shooting the Judge.

At 11:19am -- Darren's mindset was to get out of dodge in a hurry, and if he made it out of town, he'd push the consequences further in his attempt to get out of the country--if he could, and he did!

Multi-tasking and networking! I bet he's had his own little terrorist group working for him. Mind control?

Nope! I don't believe that DM called the cousin to chitchat about "...if anything happens to me"..."remember your promise"...I think DM had more of purpose in mind when he called the cousin other than what the cousin reportedly said.

If DM isn't going to give up the info as to where the Explorer is located and the weapon/s, then there's a darn good reason why not and that reason only serves his own skin or the skin of an accomplice, or two, or three!

Maybe the Explorer is parked inside some garage at a vacation residence, the owners are out of the country until next year, and Darren has house privileges?

[emilyjane]

A quote from the latest at RGJ

Mack wants case tried outside county system
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060627/NEWS10/606270361/1002

"Freeman's co-counsel, Las Vegas lawyer David Chesnoff, said in a televised interview that Gammick's friendship was not the only concern.

"It goes beyond the personal relationship," Chesnoff said. "There are other issues based on what we believe are some conversations (Gammick) may have had directly with our client prior to our representation of him and after the alleged events which may make him a potential witness.""



Hmmmm, a witness? Did Mack confess or incriminate himself to Gammick somehow while negotiating his surrender ?

[NevadaMom]

About this dog... DM probably put the dog in the house through that garage/kitchen door (he wouldn't want the bloody dog to run out of the garage) while he dragged Charla's body across the garage floor to make room for/hide her SUV in the garage. So, while DO is checking out his bloody dog for injuries while DM pulls the SUV into the garage. DM comes in the door with a towel around his hand and brushes by him to go upstairs. That's a close call.

[NevadaMom]

Did anyone see Rita Cosby last night? At the beginning, she said something about the judge really let DM have it in the courtroom and the story would be on later in the show. Then I fell asleep.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Maybe he called the cousin to help him hide the car and to take him to the Sacramento airport. Do we know what time the $2.00 parking charge was?
2:30pm :)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Yes, that's where he *lives* -- a little over an hour away.

But, what time did the cousin "SAY" that Matt called him? 10am 11am? Has it been reported what time he called? Maybe his cousin was actually closer to Sacramento (on business)? And too, maybe it was prearranged the night before, like it was for Osborne to pickup and transport Erika?
The call to the cousin was approximately 11:20am. Only a check of the cousin's cell phone records could determine exactly where he was. Even if he was at home, he could be in Sacramento by 1:00pm.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by emilyjane
A quote from the latest at RGJ

Mack wants case tried outside county system
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060627/NEWS10/606270361/1002

"Freeman's co-counsel, Las Vegas lawyer David Chesnoff, said in a televised interview that Gammick's friendship was not the only concern.

"It goes beyond the personal relationship," Chesnoff said. "There are other issues based on what we believe are some conversations (Gammick) may have had directly with our client prior to our representation of him and after the alleged events which may make him a potential witness.""



Hmmmm, a witness? Did Mack confess or incriminate himself to Gammick somehow while negotiating his surrender ?
I would doubt that Mack "confessed" to the DA, even though they'd known each other for years. The fact that Gammick personally knows Mack could present a conflict of interest. Mack had spoken with Gammick and had a 'surrender' scheduled for Thursday morning, 6/22/06 but failed to turn himself in at that time. After that, Gammick stated that Mack's capture would be handled in the "normal manner", i.e. he was "turning up the heat" with the FBI and Mexican officials.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by LNL
I caught a snippet of Rita Cosby tonight. She had on 2 guests. One was a sheriff the other I'm not sure. He said, I think, that Judge Weller was going to hold a press conference tomorrow. Did anyone else hear that? Time?

Judge Weller press conference scheduled for 11:00am today - per Rita Cosby show last night.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
About this dog... DM probably put the dog in the house through that garage/kitchen door (he wouldn't want the bloody dog to run out of the garage) while he dragged Charla's body across the garage floor to make room for/hide her SUV in the garage. So, while DO is checking out his bloody dog for injuries while DM pulls the SUV into the garage. DM comes in the door with a towel around his hand and brushes by him to go upstairs. That's a close call.
It would be informational if Osborne had "camera phone" handy and photographed the dog...I'd still like to know what breed of dog this is and how much blood is "covering it from muzzle to chest". At least the dog wasn't injured :)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Did anyone see Rita Cosby last night? At the beginning, she said something about the judge really let DM have it in the courtroom and the story would be on later in the show. Then I fell asleep.
I saw it, but do not recall exactly what you're referencing. Mack wasn't actually in a courtroom yesterday. Judge Weller was mentioned. The transcript for her program isn't published yet; however, you can check for it later today:

Link for Rita Cosby Transcripts (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/)

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I saw it, but do not recall exactly what you're referencing. Mack wasn't actually in a courtroom yesterday. Judge Weller was mentioned. The transcript for her program isn't published yet; however, you can check for it later today:

Link for Rita Cosby Transcripts (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/)

Thanks, Toby. Looks like I might have actually been asleep when Rita Cosby "said" that.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Thanks, Toby. Looks like I might have actually been asleep when Rita Cosby "said" that.
You're welcome, and don't forget Judge Weller's conference in a couple of hours! :D

[LNL]

Originally posted by TobyTiger


Judge Weller press conference scheduled for 11:00am today - per Rita Cosby show last night.
Thanks :seeya:

[FitnessMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger


Judge Weller press conference scheduled for 11:00am today - per Rita Cosby show last night.

Too bad it wasn't 11:00 Eastern Time.
:D


I'm playing the catch up game.. again.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by FitnessMom


Too bad it wasn't 11:00 Eastern Time.
:D


I'm playing the catch up game.. again.
:confused: if it had been...you'd have missed it!

[TobyTiger]

I posted informaton about Judge Weller's press conference on "The attempted assassination of Judge Weller" thread...

:patriot:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by kimberly325


TobyTiger provided a great link a few posts back that very clearly defined the complete definition of murder, malice, degrees of murder/penalties and aggravating circumstances according to Nevada Law: (Thanks TobyTiger!)


Kimberly ;)

You're welcome...glad to see it was useful. Certainly we will be referencing it again during the trial. :)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
About this dog... DM probably put the dog in the house through that garage/kitchen door (he wouldn't want the bloody dog to run out of the garage) while he dragged Charla's body across the garage floor to make room for/hide her SUV in the garage. So, while DO is checking out his bloody dog for injuries while DM pulls the SUV into the garage. DM comes in the door with a towel around his hand and brushes by him to go upstairs. That's a close call.

Thanks NevadaMom, explains it very well.

It would be interesting to know if DM's hand or arm wrapped in towel, was from a dog bite or a cut from a slipping knife. I hope the injury was noted in the arresting docs.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks NevadaMom, explains it very well.

It would be interesting to know if DM's hand or arm wrapped in towel, was from a dog bite or a cut from a slipping knife. I hope the injury was noted in the arresting docs.
Maybe his hand wasn't cut, but was still holding the knife and the towel was wrapped around it for concealment? It is also possible that his hand was covered in her blood.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Maybe his hand wasn't cut, but was still holding the knife and the towel was wrapped around it for concealment? It is also possible that his hand was covered in her blood.

Thanks, Toby.

So, it's possible that when he exited the garage into the the side kitchen door to the townhouse, he probably grabbed one of the kitchen towels on his way to clean up and change clothes? Do you think he would have taken a quick shower too? Most do.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks, Toby.

So, it's possible that when he exited the garage into the the side kitchen door to the townhouse, he probably grabbed one of the kitchen towels on his way to clean up and change clothes? Do you think he would have taken a quick shower too? Most do.
Of course! He had to get ready for his trip downtown to shoot Judge Weller and then his "toomuchfun" vacation in Mexico. :D

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Of course! He had to get ready for his trip downtown to shoot Judge Weller and then his "toomuchfun" vacation in Mexico. :D

I remember one of the reports saying that DO said DM had changed clothes when they had their morning coffee.

Some info about Charla's funeral: Many people didn't know that she was an aspiring singer and she had recorded "Just Breathe." Her recording was played during the funeral. It has been said that her voice was incredible. Also, her daughter spoke at the funeral, bringing all to tears.:rose: :rose:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I remember one of the reports saying that DO said DM had changed clothes when they had their morning coffee.

Some info about Charla's funeral: Many people didn't know that she was an aspiring singer and she had recorded "Just Breathe." Her recording was played during the funeral. It has been said that her voice was incredible. Also, her daughter spoke at the funeral, bringing all to tears.:rose: :rose:
Yes, Osborne had stated the "change of clothes".

Such sad informaton about Charla. Praying her daughter has help in handling the loss of both of her parents...:(

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks, Toby.

So, it's possible that when he exited the garage into the the side kitchen door to the townhouse, he probably grabbed one of the kitchen towels on his way to clean up and change clothes? Do you think he would have taken a quick shower too? Most do.

Probably, police found a shoe, .towels and a T-shirt all with red stains in his townhouse. They haven't said yet if it was blood or not.

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I remember one of the reports saying that DO said DM had changed clothes when they had their morning coffee.

Some info about Charla's funeral: Many people didn't know that she was an aspiring singer and she had recorded "Just Breathe." Her recording was played during the funeral. It has been said that her voice was incredible. Also, her daughter spoke at the funeral, bringing all to tears.:rose: :rose:

That is so heartbreaking, I can't bear to think about what that poor baby is going through <tears> :rose:

[emilyjane]

Here is a pdf file of the Annexed search warrant of DM's townhouse that references those items and others with red-stains http://news.rgj.com/assets/pdf/J732299623.PDF

and a pdf file of the Search warrant receipts in Darren Mack case http://news.rgj.com/assets/pdf/J732279623.PDF

Both from rgj.com.

[emilyjane]

A swab was taken of the shower door of the master bedroom bathroom, another of the wall by sink mirror, hallway 1/2 bath and another of the 3 samples of sink traps from master bedroom bathroom. There was also one Maxell CD-R labeled "Alecia" dated 1-13-06 found in the master bedroom. Did he tape one of his girlfriends, I wonder?

[magpie1]

Originally posted by kimberly325


Magpie, I'm still waiting for the true facts to form an opinion. There have been so many conflicting reports with this case already that it is hard to know what the real facts are. I was basing my mention of "no premeditation" on a debate a week or so ago on one of the many crime news that I watch. That was BEFORE DM's capture. Now that he has retained counsel and they've began to construct a defense, at some point, we'll be given more reliable facts (discovery list, affidavits, etc.).

When I think of his friend Mr. Osborne's supposed story of what allegedly happened that day, it leaves a "sour" taste in my mouth. Something just doesn't seem to jive there. I believe there are some pieces missing. Even IF things happened as he said they did, what kind of man would have just left without either checking to confirm his suspicions or calling 911? Maybe Charla could have been saved, who knows. At the very least, IMO, if his sketchy story has some truth to it, this Mr. Osborne should be charged with "accessory after the fact." I can hardly dub him as some Good Samaritan when he left Charla there alone with DM with the suspicions he says he had. Wimp would be a very nice way of labeling the "friend."

I'm sure in the days to come more accurate details will be released via the DA/attorneys. Time will tell.

Kimberly :shrug:

Kimberly,
From the befinning I've thought the story Dan Osborne tells isn't logical..

If Dan Osborne was suspicious that something terrible had happened in the garage, he could have taken Erika to his vehicle and had her wait in the car while he went back and checked the garage.

He knew the code for the garage door opener and he had a cell phone with him. If he had opened the garage door and found Charla, he could have called 911 right then and there. Her life might have been saved.

Certainly, if police had responded to Darren Mack's condo at that time, within minutes after the stabbing, it may have prevented the shooting of Judge Weller.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by emilyjane
Here is a pdf file of the Annexed search warrant of DM's townhouse that references those items and others with red-stains http://news.rgj.com/assets/pdf/J732299623.PDF

and a pdf file of the Search warrant receipts in Darren Mack case http://news.rgj.com/assets/pdf/J732279623.PDF

Both from rgj.com.

Wow. I hadn't see that. Interesting list, including the check from DM to Charla with red stains.... Maybe he got her in the garage by telling her he had a check for her. Also, that list of her personal items. Very sad.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Wow. I hadn't see that. Interesting list, including the check from DM to Charla with red stains.... Maybe he got her in the garage by telling her he had a check for her. Also, that list of her personal items. Very sad.
That was a photocopy of two checks (printed) on one page, not an actual check. However, he still could have told her he had a check for her in order to lure her out of her vehicle.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Wow. I hadn't see that. Interesting list, including the check from DM to Charla with red stains.... Maybe he got her in the garage by telling her he had a check for her. Also, that list of her personal items. Very sad.

Charla's purse was still in the car, along with the keys and other belongings. We know from the news reported that the police found items related to the crime scene along the I-80 westbound. The only item the police have publicly disclosed is Charla's cell phone.

This was reported on the Fox News site:

'On Thursday, search teams found evidence related to Charla Mack's slaying near Interstate 80 in west Reno, but would not disclose what it was, Riglesberger said.'

With Charla's purse, keys, and cell phone accounted for, I'm very curious what the police found along the I-80. If the police, "would not disclose what it was" it must be important evidence to the case.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


Kimberly,
From the befinning I've thought the story Dan Osborne tells isn't logical..

If Dan Osborne was suspicious that something terrible had happened in the garage, he could have taken Erika to his vehicle and had her wait in the car while he went back and checked the garage.

He knew the code for the garage door opener and he had a cell phone with him. If he had opened the garage door and found Charla, he could have called 911 right then and there. Her life might have been saved.

Certainly, if police had responded to Darren Mack's condo at that time, within minutes after the stabbing, it may have prevented the shooting of Judge Weller.
It is also ironic that his call to 911 was after Judge Weller had been shot. He stated that his dog was covered in blood after the dog had been barking frantically in the garage. He stated he believed something had happened to Charla and he left the condo with Erika. Yet he responds to Mack's phone call and meets him for coffee. I would really like to know when he cleaned the blood off the dog. He would know it was blood (or not) when he washed/wiped it off the dog. He could have called 911 and relayed his suspicions about Charla to LE, and let LE make the determination to go to the condo. Even if he weren't right, it would have been better than what he did do. By his inaction it appears he knew exactly what happened but was somehow persuaded by Mack ($$?) to keep silent until later. :mad:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


Charla's purse was still in the car, along with the keys and other belongings. We know from the news reported that the police found items related to the crime scene along the I-80 westbound. The only item the police have publicly disclosed is Charla's cell phone.

This was reported on the Fox News site:

'On Thursday, search teams found evidence related to Charla Mack's slaying near Interstate 80 in west Reno, but would not disclose what it was, Riglesberger said.'

With Charla's purse, keys, and cell phone accounted for, I'm very curious what the police found along the I-80. If the police, "would not disclose what it was" it must be important evidence to the case.
Maybe it was the murder weapon. :shrug:

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

It is also ironic that his call to 911 was after Judge Weller had been shot. He stated that his dog was covered in blood after the dog had been barking frantically in the garage. He stated he believed something had happened to Charla and he left the condo with Erika. Yet he responds to Mack's phone call and meets him for coffee. I would really like to know when he cleaned the blood off the dog. He would know it was blood (or not) when he washed/wiped it off the dog. He could have called 911 and relayed his suspicions about Charla to LE, and let LE make the determination to go to the condo. Even if he weren't right, it would have been better than what he did do. By his inaction it appears he knew exactly what happened but was somehow persuaded by Mack ($$?) to keep silent until later. :mad:

Hi TT, the biggest thing for me is could Charla's life have possibly been saved had DO taken immediate action?:cuss:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Wow. I hadn't see that. Interesting list, including the check from DM to Charla with red stains.... Maybe he got her in the garage by telling her he had a check for her. Also, that list of her personal items. Very sad.

I agree, very sad.

RGJ.com: Search of townhouse yields dozens of items

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/NEWS01/606240333

If the above article of 6/24 has previously been posted here, I missed it.

Huge list of items. Also, pdf search warrant links are available.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Hi TT, the biggest thing for me is could Charla's life have possibly been saved had DO taken immediate action?:cuss:
Doubtful, with multiple stab wounds to the neck and upper torso, and based upon the description of the blood loss. However, Judge Weller may not have been shot if the call had been placed before Osborne parted ways with Mack after coffee. So the next question is, if Osborne believed Mack had severely injured or killed Charla, what did he believe Mack was going to do "after coffee"? I am not understanding this "friend" at all.
:flamemad:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Hi TT, the biggest thing for me is could Charla's life have possibly been saved had DO taken immediate action?:cuss:

I'm going to wait until the actual events are known. Seems like it all happened really fast, only a few minutes to actually think.

My gut reaction, tells me that Osborne's primary concern was to get the child to safety, and away from the suspicious circumstances. I think it's possible, that when DO pulled away from the townhouse, his initial fears were eliminated, because he didn't see Charla's vehicle in the driveway--thereby assuming that she was "okay" and had left the area?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I'm going to wait until the actual events are known. Seems like it all happened really fast, only a few minutes to actually think.

My gut reaction, tells me that Osborne's primary concern was to get the child to safety, and away from the suspicious circumstances. I think it's possible, that when DO pulled away from the townhouse, his initial fears were eliminated, because he didn't see Charla's vehicle in the driveway--thereby assuming that she was "okay" and had left the area?
According to the Affidavit of Det. Ron Chalmers, Osborne stated that Charla's SUV was outside the condo when he left with Erika.

[emilyjane]

Not an excuse, I know, but Maybe Dan Osborne was afraid? Mack looks like a very big guy, a steroid taking body builder. Osborne was his roomate, Charla was his wife, lived with Mack and feared for her lfe.

I think people who actually live with someone know them better than people who work with, attend meetings and seminars groups with, or belong to groups with a person know them best. They see them in the home where the person feels most comfortable and is more likely to let their true personalities show.

I can see Mack raging around the townhouse about Charla and Judge Weller's unfair decisions and rulings.

Didn't I see that Osborne toldl Mack's mother that he was afraid Mack had done something to Charla? Why didn't she look into it?

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

According to the Affidavit of Det. Ron Chalmers, Osborne stated that Charla's SUV was outside the condo when he left with Erika.

Oh, true. I was thinking it was gone, but it was gone when the police came. :shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Oh, true. I was thinking it was gone, but it was gone when the police came. :shrug:
Right on. :D

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by emilyjane

Didn't I see that Osborne toldl Mack's mother that he was afraid Mack had done something to Charla? Why didn't she look into it? [/B]

I think remember this. Good point.

Didn't Osborne call the police two times? Or did he call them only once around 11:30 a.m. after their mutual friend called Osborne to tell him "the judge" had been shot? I know the police went over to the townhome (the first time) and there was no SUV in front like Osborne had told them, so they left. Also, there was the sniper shooting downtown that they needed to go to. I can't remember who intiated the second conversation/call between Osborne and LE after putting two and two together...

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by emilyjane
Not an excuse, I know, but Maybe Dan Osborne was afraid? Mack looks like a very big guy, a steroid taking body builder. Osborne was his roomate, Charla was his wife, lived with Mack and feared for her lfe.

I think people who actually live with someone know them better than people who work with, attend meetings and seminars groups with, or belong to groups with a person know them best. They see them in the home where the person feels most comfortable and is more likely to let their true personalities show.

I can see Mack raging around the townhouse about Charla and Judge Weller's unfair decisions and rulings.

Didn't I see that Osborne toldl Mack's mother that he was afraid Mack had done something to Charla? Why didn't she look into it?
Yes Osborne said he told Mack's mother when he dropped Erika off with her that he was afraid something had happened to Charla. It was after that conversation that he called the RPD.

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

We already know someone was at the Sacramento airport at the same time a flight was leaving for LAX. We don't know where the Ford Explorer is. So, if an 'innocent friend' gave him a ride to Sacramento, where is the rented/missing/stolen Explorer? All it would take is one person sympathetic with his "situation" to assist him get out of town...and maybe someone who could use some money...

I'm nowhere near as astute as most of you but your posts really got me thinking. As you said where is the rented/missing/stolen Explorer? Where is the Bushmaster rifle and the Gerber knife? And who knows what all else he took with him when he left the townhouse? I don't think he had time to stop and hide everything in a well concealed place so maybe there is a sympathetic friend or relative helping him out in this.

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I think remember this. Good point.

Didn't Osborne call the police two times? Or did he call them only once around 11:30 a.m. after their mutual friend called Osborne to tell him "the judge" had been shot? I know the police went over to the townhome (the first time) and there was no SUV in front like Osborne had told them, so they left. Also, there was the sniper shooting downtown that they needed to go to. I can't remember who intiated the second conversation/call between Osborne and LE after putting two and two together...

I think it happened like this: Osborne went for coffee with Mack and his daughter then called police. Police went to the residence but left when there was no answer to their knocking. At that time the call came in about Judge Weller being shot and they went to the courthouse.

Later on they put 2 and 2 together when Weller named Mack as his possible assasin, so the police rushed back to Mack's townhouse and investigated further. At that time it was about 3:00 and (I think) and they found Charla's body.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Maybe it was the murder weapon. :shrug:

TobyTiger,
I've been wondering about the possibility that police found the murder weapon.

They've only disclosed the information that Charla's cell phone was found tossed out along the I-80, but haven't disclosed any information about the other items related to the murder scene that were found.

Charla's cell phone isn't actually a very important piece of evidence, so I can see the police revealing that. But, an important piece of evidence, like the murder weapon, is one that they wouldn't disclose.

I saw a video today of the Deputy District Attorney, Elliot Sattler, who will be prosecuting the case. He said words to the effect that he is very confident about the case, and hinted that they've got some good evidence.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yes Osborne said he told Mack's mother when he dropped Erika off with her that he was afraid something had happened to Charla. It was after that conversation that he called the RPD.

Thanks again, Toby!

Now, did Osborne place that call *before* he met Darren for coffee, on the way to meet him, or afterwards?

And then, I have to wonder, did Joan call Darren, just after Osborne dropped off Erika and before Darren actually called Osborne for "hey! let's have coffee"?

[tiny paw-prints]

RGJ.com: Search of townhouse yields dozens of items

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/NEWS01/606240333

They also confiscated the empty rifle case with a receipt for a Bushmaster AR-15 inside, three empty soft cloth rifle cases, an empty M6X Tactical luminator box, and empty M3X Streamlight box, an empty Laser grips box and an empty Burris tactical scope box, the search warrant return list said.

Recap:

1. empty rifle case for Bushmaster AR-15
2. 3-empty soft cloth rifle cases
3. empty tactical luminator box for M6X
4. empty streamlight box for N3X
5. empty laser grips box
6. empty tactical scope for Burris

So, where are these items?? :eek:

Found in the medium divide of I-80? :D

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks again, Toby!

Now, did Osborne place that call *before* he met Darren for coffee, on the way to meet him, or afterwards?

And then, I have to wonder, did Joan call Darren, just after Osborne dropped off Erika and before Darren actually called Osborne for "hey! let's have coffee"?

Interesting questions. I thought that Osborne placed the call to police after the coffee and after the friend called him to say the judge had been shot; however, if that is the case, I think Osborne would have had more information and been more forceful in his call to police about his fear for Charla's safety. I wonder if there were two calls from Osborne... one (after coffee/before the judge was shot?) about her safety and another around 11:30 a.m. (after he put two and two together.) I'm so confused.

Now, you really have me thinking about JM calling DM, but I don't think she was involved in it yet since DO had not made it to her house with DM's daughter. The Starbucks where DM and DO met is not far at all from DM's townhome and I wonder if DO had to backtrack to drive back there because, since we know DM had changed clothes (and probably showered?), it had to take DM at least 15 minutes from the time DO left the townhome to get to Starbucks. DO and DM's daughter certainly were already close to JM's house by then. Ideas?

Re: the search warrant. What do you think the powder was on the garage floor?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


TobyTiger,
I've been wondering about the possibility that police found the murder weapon.

They've only disclosed the information that Charla's cell phone was found tossed out along the I-80, but haven't disclosed any information about the other items related to the murder scene that were found.

Charla's cell phone isn't actually a very important piece of evidence, so I can see the police revealing that. But, an important piece of evidence, like the murder weapon, is one that they wouldn't disclose.

I saw a video today of the Deputy District Attorney, Elliot Sattler, who will be prosecuting the case. He said words to the effect that he is very confident about the case, and hinted that they've got some good evidence.
You're right...Charla's cell phone isn't an important piece of evidence, even if he used it to call his cousin. Listening carefully to what has been repeatedly stated as 'missing' are the Bushmaster rifle and the Ford Explorer. Nothing has been stated about the knife since those items were found alongside the highway. Also, since they found items inside the condo with 'red stains' on them, what else is connected with her murder?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks again, Toby!

Now, did Osborne place that call *before* he met Darren for coffee, on the way to meet him, or afterwards?

And then, I have to wonder, did Joan call Darren, just after Osborne dropped off Erika and before Darren actually called Osborne for "hey! let's have coffee"?
It was reported to be after coffee that Osborne spoke with Mack's mother.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
RGJ.com: Search of townhouse yields dozens of items

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060624/NEWS01/606240333



Recap:

1. empty rifle case for Bushmaster AR-15
2. 3-empty soft cloth rifle cases
3. empty tactical luminator box for M6X
4. empty streamlight box for N3X
5. empty laser grips box
6. empty tactical scope for Burris

So, where are these items?? :eek:

Found in the medium divide of I-80? :D
I do not believe LE found that cache of weapons alongside I-80. Think about this: he was going on a 'trip' after the shooting of Judge Weller. It is quite possible these items were packed into luggage. There is also a compartment in the rear of the Explorer which would accomodate one of the rifles (without it's hard case). Whether travelling by auto or plane, one wouldn't leave them inside boxes or a case if one wanted to disguise the items. The weapons wouldn't have been taken into Mexico via commercial aircraft however.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Interesting questions. I thought that Osborne placed the call to police after the coffee and after the friend called him to say the judge had been shot; however, if that is the case, I think Osborne would have had more information and been more forceful in his call to police about his fear for Charla's safety. I wonder if there were two calls from Osborne... one (after coffee/before the judge was shot?) about her safety and another around 11:30 a.m. (after he put two and two together.) I'm so confused.

Now, you really have me thinking about JM calling DM, but I don't think she was involved in it yet since DO had not made it to her house with DM's daughter. The Starbucks where DM and DO met is not far at all from DM's townhome and I wonder if DO had to backtrack to drive back there because, since we know DM had changed clothes (and probably showered?), it had to take DM at least 15 minutes from the time DO left the townhome to get to Starbucks. DO and DM's daughter certainly were already close to JM's house by then. Ideas?

Re: the search warrant. What do you think the powder was on the garage floor?
Re: your last question - gunpowder? I'd doubt it would be cocaine unless he 'accidentally' left it behind! Where is the Starbucks you believe they went to? I also don't know the name of the street where Joan Mack's house is located. With that information I'd be able to figure it out! (I'll be back soon, have work to do!) :D

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Re: your last question - gunpowder? I'd doubt it would be cocaine unless he 'accidentally' left it behind! Where is the Starbucks you believe they went to? I also don't know the name of the street where Joan Mack's house is located. With that information I'd be able to figure it out! (I'll be back soon, have work to do!) :D

Go to mapquest and type in 9900 Wilbur May Parkway, Reno, NV 89521 (DM's townhome) then type in 770 S. Meadows, Reno, NV 89521 for the route to the Starbucks. To where I believe the general area of JM's house is, type in 3892 Mayberry, Reno, NV 89509. I am still trying to find the article that explained where JM lived, but this Mayberry area may be the general area. I thought I read where she lived near Fourth and Mayberry? Anyone know? On this particular map, you can see that there is another way to get to JM's from Starbuck's and that would be via 395 North, then I-80 West. That might be faster, actually.

Here's an old picture of his mom.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060618/NEWS01/606180370

[NevadaMom]

There is a switchboard.com listing for Joan Mack within a few blocks of the location I gave in the previous post, so those directions would be correct.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Go to mapquest and type in 9900 Wilbur May Parkway, Reno, NV 89521 (DM's townhome) then type in 770 S. Meadows, Reno, NV 89521 for the route to the Starbucks. To where I believe the general area of JM's house is, type in 3892 Mayberry, Reno, NV 89509. I am still trying to find the article that explained where JM lived, but this Mayberry area may be the general area. I thought I read where she lived near Fourth and Mayberry? Anyone know? On this particular map, you can see that there is another way to get to JM's from Starbuck's and that would be via 395 North, then I-80 West. That might be faster, actually.

Here's an old picture of his mom.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060618/NEWS01/606180370


From your map above, are you still speculating the same Starbucks (access going towards the justice center), or the other one? TIA

ETA: That above link now has an update? State may request $6,000 for use of jet to transport Mack?

[NevadaMom]

Tiny, not sure of your question, but I am suggesting it was the Starbuck's that was shown on AMW - it is brand new and not yet listed on Starbuck's website, so I chose the address of Ace Hardware in the same shopping center. I think that he went to the one closest to his house as opposed to the one a little further, across 395, at Damonte Ranch, but only because of the AMW re-enactment.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Go to mapquest and type in 9900 Wilbur May Parkway, Reno, NV 89521 (DM's townhome) then type in 770 S. Meadows, Reno, NV 89521 for the route to the Starbucks. To where I believe the general area of JM's house is, type in 3892 Mayberry, Reno, NV 89509. I am still trying to find the article that explained where JM lived, but this Mayberry area may be the general area. I thought I read where she lived near Fourth and Mayberry? Anyone know? On this particular map, you can see that there is another way to get to JM's from Starbuck's and that would be via 395 North, then I-80 West. That might be faster, actually.

Here's an old picture of his mom.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060618/NEWS01/606180370

She lives on Ambrose a tiny bit north west of Mayberry and McCarran.

[chambord]

Heads Up

I just heard that CCLive will have Judge Weller on this afternoon.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Go to mapquest and type in 9900 Wilbur May Parkway, Reno, NV 89521 (DM's townhome) then type in 770 S. Meadows, Reno, NV 89521 for the route to the Starbucks. To where I believe the general area of JM's house is, type in 3892 Mayberry, Reno, NV 89509. I am still trying to find the article that explained where JM lived, but this Mayberry area may be the general area. I thought I read where she lived near Fourth and Mayberry? Anyone know? On this particular map, you can see that there is another way to get to JM's from Starbuck's and that would be via 395 North, then I-80 West. That might be faster, actually.


It is 2 miles (4 minutes) from Mack's condo to the Starbuck's and approximately 10 miles from there to Joan Mack's house. The trip from Mack's condo to Joan's house is 12 miles (17-20 min.). Since Osborne was originally headed from the condo to her house, he most likely would have gotten on 395 north. In the time it would take Mack to put her SUV in the garage, clean up, change his clothes and make sure he had everything necessary for the assassination and aftermath, Osborne could have been at Joan's house. He either stopped somewhere along the way to her house, received the phone call from Mack and went to coffee; or had already dropped Erika off and then met him for coffee. Otherwise he is definitely backtracking. At some point in time he also drove back to the condo, didn't see Charla's vehicle outside and called 911 at approximately the same time Judge Weller was shot. Therefore, was Erika with Osborne when he met Mack for coffee? Had he already been to Joan's house? And where was his dog? :shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord
Heads Up

I just heard that CCLive will have Judge Weller on this afternoon.
:seeya: Hi chambord!
Thanks for the "heads up"!

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Tiny, not sure of your question, but I am suggesting it was the Starbuck's that was shown on AMW - it is brand new and not yet listed on Starbuck's website, so I chose the address of Ace Hardware in the same shopping center. I think that he went to the one closest to his house as opposed to the one a little further, across 395, at Damonte Ranch, but only because of the AMW re-enactment.

I now understand your question. I didn't know about the short cut/alternate route from DM's townhome to the Starbuck's on S. Meadows. It is 1.88 miles/5 minutes as opposed to the Starbucks on Damonte Ranch Blvds., which is 3.94 miles/8 minutes. So, I believe he went to the one on S. Meadows because of distance. AMW also showed that one on their re-enactment.

Here is a picture of the shopping center where Starbuck's is. Scroll down to The Village at Double Diamond. Starbuck's is not shown, but the section of the shopping center it is in is shown to the right. Starbuck's is about two doors down from the farthest right store, just out of the picture.

http://www.cfareno.com/pro_commercial.html

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

:seeya: Hi chambord!
Thanks for the "heads up"!



:seeya:

[TobyTiger]

State may seek $6,000 for use of jet to transport Mack (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/NEWS10/606280340)

Reno police will be billed about $6,000 for using a state-owned aircraft last week to fly detectives to Dallas to interview murder suspect Darren Mack and bring him back to Reno.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I now understand your question. I didn't know about the short cut/alternate route from DM's townhome to the Starbuck's on S. Meadows. It is 1.88 miles/5 minutes as opposed to the Starbucks on Damonte Ranch Blvds., which is 3.94 miles/8 minutes. So, I believe he went to the one on S. Meadows because of distance. AMW also showed that one on their re-enactment.

Here is a picture of the shopping center where Starbuck's is. Scroll down to The Village at Double Diamond. Starbuck's is not shown, but the section of the shopping center it is in is shown to the right. Starbuck's is about two doors down from the farthest right store, just out of the picture.

http://www.cfareno.com/pro_commercial.html

NM, do you know when Nordstrom's is opening?

[magpie1]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Interesting questions. I thought that Osborne placed the call to police after the coffee and after the friend called him to say the judge had been shot; however, if that is the case, I think Osborne would have had more information and been more forceful in his call to police about his fear for Charla's safety. I wonder if there were two calls from Osborne... one (after coffee/before the judge was shot?) about her safety and another around 11:30 a.m. (after he put two and two together.) I'm so confused.

Now, you really have me thinking about JM calling DM, but I don't think she was involved in it yet since DO had not made it to her house with DM's daughter. The Starbucks where DM and DO met is not far at all from DM's townhome and I wonder if DO had to backtrack to drive back there because, since we know DM had changed clothes (and probably showered?), it had to take DM at least 15 minutes from the time DO left the townhome to get to Starbucks. DO and DM's daughter certainly were already close to JM's house by then. Ideas?

Re: the search warrant. What do you think the powder was on the garage floor?

According to the official timeline reported in the Reno Gazette-Journal, the 911 call reporting that Judge Weller had been shot was at 11:05am. The 911 call made by Dan Osborne reporting his concerns to police was at 11:11am.

There was only 6 minutes between the 911 call reporting that the judge had been shot and Osbornes 911 call.

I don't think there was enough time in that 6 minutes for the general public to become aware that Judge Weller had been shot. If someone was listening to a police scanner, they would have have a bit of a head start on the breaking news by the media.

According to one of the RGJ articles, after he left the coffee meeting, Dan Osborne took Erika to Joan Mack's home and at that time expressed he concerns to Joan Mack. Then he called 911.

[FitnessMom]

Hi guys. I haven't posted here in a few days so I'm not sure if anyone noticed this.

I just checked Mack's myspace page. Early last week, his last log in was 6/11/06. Now it's 6/23/06. I wonder who is checking his page?

There's more of those posts praising him and Marcy. I need to stop going there. They drive me nuts.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

It is 2 miles (4 minutes) from Mack's condo to the Starbuck's and approximately 10 miles from there to Joan Mack's house. The trip from Mack's condo to Joan's house is 12 miles (17-20 min.). Since Osborne was originally headed from the condo to her house, he most likely would have gotten on 395 north. In the time it would take Mack to put her SUV in the garage, clean up, change his clothes and make sure he had everything necessary for the assassination and aftermath, Osborne could have been at Joan's house. He either stopped somewhere along the way to her house, received the phone call from Mack and went to coffee; or had already dropped Erika off and then met him for coffee. Otherwise he is definitely backtracking. At some point in time he also drove back to the condo, didn't see Charla's vehicle outside and called 911 at approximately the same time Judge Weller was shot. Therefore, was Erika with Osborne when he met Mack for coffee? Had he already been to Joan's house? And where was his dog? :shrug:

Exactly. I thought I heard that DM called DO and asked that he and his daughter meet him for coffee, and I assumed she went with them. I don't know. I didn't know that he drove back to the condo; I haven't read that anywhere. I thought the police told DO that when they first went to the condo around 11:30 a.m., Charla's SUV was not there, and this put their minds at ease? Yes, where is the bloody dog? This is like a game of Clue!

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by Babby~A


NM, do you know when Nordstrom's is opening?

No, I don't. Are they still going to open here? Is it going to be at Sierra or elsewhere, if so??

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by magpie1


According to the official timeline reported in the Reno Gazette-Journal, the 911 call reporting that Judge Weller had been shot was at 11:05am. The 911 call made by Dan Osborne reporting his concerns to police was at 11:11am.

There was only 6 minutes between the 911 call reporting that the judge had been shot and Osbornes 911 call.

I don't think there was enough time in that 6 minutes for the general public to become aware that Judge Weller had been shot. If someone was listening to a police scanner, they would have have a bit of a head start on the breaking news by the media.

According to one of the RGJ articles, after he left the coffee meeting, Dan Osborne took Erika to Joan Mack's home and at that time expressed he concerns to Joan Mack. Then he called 911.

I don't know which call it was (first? second if there was one?), but I read that DO called LE after the mutual friend called him to say "the judge" had been shot because that definitely made him worry about CM's safety. So, that six minutes is an awfully short time for him to find out about the shooting victim's identity, you're right. :shrug:

I wonder how JM felt about DO's concerns and his calling the police... Does anyone know where the Hummer was located and was there any evidence that he was ever driving it that day?:eek:

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


... Does anyone know where the Hummer was located and was there any evidence that he was ever driving it that day?:eek:

It was found parked near Mack's mother's home

[Reno27]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I wonder how JM felt about DO's concerns and his calling the police... Does anyone know where the Hummer was located and was there any evidence that he was ever driving it that day?:eek:

Darren Mack's GMC Hummer was found parked near his mother's home Monday evening. Bomb squad experts also determined no explosives were attached to Weller's vehicle in the court's basement parking garage after a dog indicated there might be.


The entire article is at http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS10/606140342/1002

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by emilyjane


It was found parked near Mack's mother's home

That's what I remember hearing, but I wonder where it was and why it was there? He had a Hummer and a Jeep, right? How did the Hummer get there? Someone had to take him to lease the Explorer or his car would be at Budget.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I don't know which call it was (first? second if there was one?), but I read that DO called LE after the mutual friend called him to say "the judge" had been shot because that definitely made him worry about CM's safety. So, that six minutes is an awfully short time for him to find out about the shooting victim's identity, you're right. :shrug:

I wonder how JM felt about DO's concerns and his calling the police... Does anyone know where the Hummer was located and was there any evidence that he was ever driving it that day?:eek:

I remember an article that stated that Dan Osborne heard from a friend that Judge Weller had been shot, and that reinforced his concerns.

Although the official timeline given by the RGJ only lists the one call from Dan Osborne at 11:11am, there could have been another call later.

It appears that the shooting of Judge Weller concentrated the police in the area surrounding the courthouse. The initial articles stated that it took police about 3 hours to verify that the sniper wasn't still in the area and to secure the area.

So, by 2:00pm the police activity around the courthouse was winding down. The official timeline states that detectives met with Dan Osborne at 1:33pm and went to Darren Mack's condo at 2:12pm. Using the entry code provided to them by Dan Osborne, the detectives opened the garage door and found Charla's body.

Dan Osborne, after hearing that Judge Weller had been shot, may have made a second call to the police to tell them about Darren Mack's hatred of the judge. Maybe Dan Osborne didn't think the police were responding fast enough to his first call?

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by magpie1


I remember an article that stated that Dan Osborne heard from a friend that Judge Weller had been shot, and that reinforced his concerns.



Maybe the 'friend' he heard from was Darren Mack?

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Maybe the 'friend' he heard from was Darren Mack?

No, I believe I remember the report giving a female's first name and mentioning that she, too, knew of DM's hatred of "the judge," which is why she stated it to DO just like that - "the judge."

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by magpie1


I remember an article that stated that Dan Osborne heard from a friend that Judge Weller had been shot, and that reinforced his concerns.

Although the official timeline given by the RGJ only lists the one call from Dan Osborne at 11:11am, there could have been another call later.

It appears that the shooting of Judge Weller concentrated the police in the area surrounding the courthouse. The initial articles stated that it took police about 3 hours to verify that the sniper wasn't still in the area and to secure the area.

So, by 2:00pm the police activity around the courthouse was winding down. The official timeline states that detectives met with Dan Osborne at 1:33pm and went to Darren Mack's condo at 2:12pm. Using the entry code provided to them by Dan Osborne, the detectives opened the garage door and found Charla's body.

Dan Osborne, after hearing that Judge Weller had been shot, may have made a second call to the police to tell them about Darren Mack's hatred of the judge. Maybe Dan Osborne didn't think the police were responding fast enough to his first call?

OK, so DO called the police after he met with DM, but we don't know if he already knew about Judge Weller or not. If so, that was really fast. I wonder by whom the second contact at 1:33 p.m. between DO and LE was made. Probably the person who put two and two together first.

It looks like LE was on their way to Mack's condo at 11:18, but turn around and go to a different call. They do arrive at the condo at 11:30 a.m. and find no one home.

From RGJ:

11:05 a.m.: 911 call saying that Washoe Family Court Judge Chuck Weller was shot in the chest by a sniper. Weller tells police Mack had recently taken issue with him. Local law enforcement and SWAT teams immediately scour downtown for the sniper and evacuate people from the court building.
11:11 a.m.: Osborne calls 911 and reports that he is concerned Charla Mack may have been killed.
11:18 a.m.: Reno police officers are sent to Mack’s condo to investigate a potential domestic disturbance, but a minute later are redirected to a higher priority call.
11:19 a.m.: Mack calls his cousin Jeff Donner in Moraga, Calif., and asks that if anything happens to him, to let the media and public know of his perceived injustices that occurred in Chuck Weller’s courtroom.
11:33 a.m.: Officers respond to Mack’s condominium and no one is home. No vehicles are in the driveway, where Osborne had reported seeing Charla Mack’s sport utility vehicle parked.
11:40 a.m.: The officers, who do not have the legal authority to enter the home, leave.
1:33 p.m.: Detectives meet with Osborne and question him about his concerns.
2:12 p.m.: Detectives arrive at Mack’s condominium and discover a small amount of blood in the driveway by the garage doors. That’s enough to give them the legal authority to go inside to look for anyone who is injured. Detectives open the garage and find Charla Mack’s body.
2:30 p.m.: A corporate credit card to which Darren Mack has access was swiped at a parking garage at the Sacramento International Airport.
Mack is still at large, is considered armed and dangerous and could be driving a 2006 silver Ford Explorer with California license plate of 5POR272.
— Compiled by Jaclyn O’Malley

[NevadaMom]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/NEWS18/606280362&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

This link also says that LE believe DM drove the Explorer to Mexico.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Exactly. I thought I heard that DM called DO and asked that he and his daughter meet him for coffee, and I assumed she went with them. I don't know. I didn't know that he drove back to the condo; I haven't read that anywhere. I thought the police told DO that when they first went to the condo around 11:30 a.m., Charla's SUV was not there, and this put their minds at ease? Yes, where is the bloody dog? This is like a game of Clue!
Osborne driving back to the condo and not seeing Charla's SUV was reported by msnbc.com "Court Documents Detail Account of Charla Mack's Murder" 6/13/06. Per Det. Chalmers' Affidavit: The first trip to the condo by RPD, there was no vehicle outside, no answer at the door, and they left. On the second trip to the condo, Osborne let them into the garage after RPD observed blood stains on the driveway. None of the accounts mention what happened to the dog after Osborne saw blood on it. :shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


That's what I remember hearing, but I wonder where it was and why it was there? He had a Hummer and a Jeep, right? How did the Hummer get there? Someone had to take him to lease the Explorer or his car would be at Budget.
The Jeep was in the condo garage, the Hummer near Joan Mack's house. And the Explorer...did anyone (friends/family) ask him why he rented it? What would he need it for if he had two operable SUVs? Had he told anyone he was planning a trip? :confused:

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Osborne driving back to the condo and not seeing Charla's SUV was reported by msnbc.com "Court Documents Detail Account of Charla Mack's Murder" 6/13/06. Per Det. Chalmers' Affidavit: The first trip to the condo by RPD, there was no vehicle outside, no answer at the door, and they left. On the second trip to the condo, Osborne let them into the garage after RPD observed blood stains on the driveway. None of the accounts mention what happened to the dog after Osborne saw blood on it. :shrug:

Oh, gotcha'. Yes, I knew that DO let LE in to the condo via the garage door code. I was thinking you meant DO went by there on his own during the day at some time. I'm with you, now.

Nowhere do they say that DO took the daughter AND the dog. Maybe he left the dog there since it was bloody and DO was scared and wanted to get out of there? I don't know what I would do in that circumstance with my bloody dog. Do you?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1




So, by 2:00pm the police activity around the courthouse was winding down. The official timeline states that detectives met with Dan Osborne at 1:33pm and went to Darren Mack's condo at 2:12pm. Using the entry code provided to them by Dan Osborne, the detectives opened the garage door and found Charla's body.

Dan Osborne, after hearing that Judge Weller had been shot, may have made a second call to the police to tell them about Darren Mack's hatred of the judge. Maybe Dan Osborne didn't think the police were responding fast enough to his first call?
Shortly after Judge Weller was shot, LE had names of individuals who were potential suspects. Mack's name was on that list. Meanwhile, a call had come in and a unit responded to Mack's condo before the shooting. Their interest in pursuing Osborne's speculation would be intensified, imo, by Mack being a POI after Judge Weller was shot.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Osborne driving back to the condo and not seeing Charla's SUV was reported by msnbc.com "Court Documents Detail Account of Charla Mack's Murder" 6/13/06. Per Det. Chalmers' Affidavit: The first trip to the condo by RPD, there was no vehicle outside, no answer at the door, and they left. On the second trip to the condo, Osborne let them into the garage after RPD observed blood stains on the driveway. None of the accounts mention what happened to the dog after Osborne saw blood on it. :shrug:

I noted that too.....no mention of the dog. Did Dan Osborne clean the dog up at one point, or did the police take samples of the blood on the dog before it was cleaned up?

It was stated that Dan Osborn was driving an "open vehicle", so I assume it was a truck or jeep or some vehicle of that type. Did Osborne meet Darren Mack for coffee and leave the dog, with blood on it's muzzle and chest, in the vehicle? If so, that might attract the attention of passerbys.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/NEWS18/606280362&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

This link also says that LE believe DM drove the Explorer to Mexico.
Thanks for posting the article...too many work interruptions today! Being that the Explorer hasn't been located yet, I'm also beginning to believe it's in Mexico. He could easily have sold it or just abandoned it. It is doubtful he would've purchased Mexican rental car insurance, so driving it too far into the country would run the high risk of an encounter with Mexican LE (Budget limits access no further than Ensenada).:(

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


I noted that too.....no mention of the dog. Did Dan Osborne clean the dog up at one point, or did the police take samples of the blood on the dog before it was cleaned up?

It was stated that Dan Osborn was driving an "open vehicle", so I assume it was a truck or jeep or some vehicle of that type. Did Osborne meet Darren Mack for coffee and leave the dog, with blood on it's muzzle and chest, in the vehicle? If so, that might attract the attention of passerbys.
I have no record of what Osborne was driving, so I'll take your word for it! :D A pickup truck would explain how he got the dog into a vehicle without getting the interior bloodstained. Maybe he stopped off at a self-serve car wash and hosed down the dog? Or perhaps he took it home (whereever he'd moved to)? That would also explain why he wasn't yet at Joan's house when Mack called.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

The Jeep was in the condo garage, the Hummer near Joan Mack's house. And the Explorer...did anyone (friends/family) ask him why he rented it? What would he need it for if he had two operable SUVs? Had he told anyone he was planning a trip? :confused:

I don't think anyone dared question the almighty DM. He was tootooscary.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I don't think anyone dared question the almighty DM. He was tootooscary.
Obviously not even mommy dearest...:D

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


No, I believe I remember the report giving a female's first name and mentioning that she, too, knew of DM's hatred of "the judge," which is why she stated it to DO just like that - "the judge."
(maybe it was myspacemarcy:D )

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


Oh, gotcha'. Yes, I knew that DO let LE in to the condo via the garage door code. I was thinking you meant DO went by there on his own during the day at some time. I'm with you, now.

Nowhere do they say that DO took the daughter AND the dog. Maybe he left the dog there since it was bloody and DO was scared and wanted to get out of there? I don't know what I would do in that circumstance with my bloody dog. Do you?
Still not quite right...msnbc.com article said Osborne went back to the condo after dropping off Erika at Joan's house. That is when he did not see Charla's SUV outside. There is no way I'd leave any animal around someone I suspect may have just committed murder. If Osborne left his dog at the condo with Mack after suspecting Mack had killed Charla...then he needs to be charged with cruelty to animals. :mad:

[emilyjane]

I don't know if you have all seen this yet?

Judge Weller on Larry King Live tonight

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/NEWS18/606280362&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Still not quite right...msnbc.com article said Osborne went back to the condo after dropping off Erika at Joan's house. That is when he did not see Charla's SUV outside. There is no way I'd leave any animal around someone I suspect may have just committed murder. If Osborne left his dog at the condo with Mack after suspecting Mack had killed Charla...then he needs to be charged with cruelty to animals. :mad:

That is the first I've heard of that about DO going back to the condo afterward. That's a lot of driving. Thanks. That's interesting.

I would take my bloody dog with me. I would not leave it there. Certainly, he wouldn't have cleaned it along the way. That's bizarre, but so is driving around with a dog that's bloody and you don't know why. I'm assuming LE could get blood evidence off the dog, as someone above mentioned.

[NevadaMom]

This might be the layout of DM's townhome. Can anyone see the layout at the bottom right? It's too small for me to see it. I don't know if he had a three BR, but his rent was around $3000/month, so it could be the layout.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


That is the first I've heard of that about DO going back to the condo afterward. That's a lot of driving. Thanks. That's interesting.

I would take my bloody dog with me. I would not leave it there. Certainly, he wouldn't have cleaned it along the way. That's bizarre, but so is driving around with a dog that's bloody and you don't know why. I'm assuming LE could get blood evidence off the dog, as someone above mentioned.
What I was wondering is where does Osborne live? He was living with Mack, but had moved out. He could've dropped the dog off at his residence after leaving Mack's condo. :shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
This might be the layout of DM's townhome. Can anyone see the layout at the bottom right? It's too small for me to see it. I don't know if he had a three BR, but his rent was around $3000/month, so it could be the layout.
:confused: (is there supposed to be a link?)

[magpie1]

Originally posted by emilyjane
I don't know if you have all seen this yet?

Judge Weller on Larry King Live tonight

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/NEWS18/606280362&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

I caught just the tail end of the first 1/2 hour, when they were talking about the flooding back east. Was Judge Weller on earlier?

If so, I'll plan to catch the repeat later tonight.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


I caught just the tail end of the first 1/2 hour, when they were talking about the flooding back east. Was Judge Weller on earlier?

If so, I'll plan to catch the repeat later tonight.
No, he hasn't been on yet. :D

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

:confused: (is there supposed to be a link?)

Oh, ha. Guess there was; however, on further investigation, I think we have all been confused about the layout of DM's townhome. We assumed it was a two-story unit since the reports talk about DM going "upstairs" or asking DO to take his daughter "upstairs." What I now think is that all of the units in Fleur de Lis are either upstairs or downstairs and that the upstairs units have an outside ground level entry door as well as an entry door from the garage into the same hallway/floyer with an immediate staircase to the unit's loft area. From there, you go to other places in the townhome. In any case, you can look at the numerous units for sale and take the tours to see the floor plans. Here is a link to many of them for sale. Go first to Property Search, condos, zip 89521, and then look for virtual tours and second-story units. You'll have to read through the description to see which are second-story:

http://www.thebarneshometeam.com/

Here is a link for #1206. Isn't DM's #1006, or am I dreaming? This might be what his looks like, if so. It has a picture of the entry way:

http://www.thebarneshometeam.com/content/listdetail.html/40194357?proppos=21&proptype=T&minprice=&maxprice=&bed=&full=&zipcode=89521&search_by=zipcode&pageclicked=3&RowCount=53&VirtualTourCount=17&startpos=21&endpos=30&ids=40194357,33625816,36857523,39591608,39294789,4 0857651,41208297,39757055,39798443,39907073&propertyCount=53

[TobyTiger]

Thanks, NevadaMom! Mack's will be on the market at some point...yet another "crime-scene-home-for-sale" :mad:

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Thanks, NevadaMom! Mack's will be on the market at some point...yet another "crime-scene-home-for-sale" :mad:

He was renting his so maybe it was/is already for sale!

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


He was renting his so maybe it was/is already for sale!
At any rate, someone is going to be moving into a crime scene...:eek: Does Nevada have a law regarding real estate disclosure?

[magpie1]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

No, he hasn't been on yet. :D

Just a few minutes after I posted, they announced that Judge Weller was going to be on next.

I thought the interview was good, with bits of the coverage from the past two weeks.

Judge Weller seems to be a very gentle, soft-spoken man.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


Just a few minutes after I posted, they announced that Judge Weller was going to be on next.

I thought the interview was good, with bits of the coverage from the past two weeks.

Judge Weller seems to be a very gentle, soft-spoken man.
Yes, I noticed that. He also said because this is an ongoing criminal investigation that he won't be doing any more interviews.

As a reminder - Darren Mack is due back in court tomorrow morning for his arraignment. This originally was scheduled for this past Monday when his attorney filed the motions for COV.

[chambord]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I don't think anyone dared question the almighty DM. He was tootooscary.


I agree, the more I read about this guy, the more I am convinced he was a time bomb. I think everyone around him had fear of him, including his mother. I would love to know what his first wife has to say about him. DM sounds like he has had major control problems for a very long time.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



I agree, the more I read about this guy, the more I am convinced he was a time bomb. I think everyone around him had fear of him, including his mother. I would love to know what his first wife has to say about him. DM sounds like he has had major control problems for a very long time.
We do know that after Charla's murder and the shooting of Judge Weller, the first wife remained at an undisclosed location until after Mack's capture...:(

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

We do know that after Charla's murder and the shooting of Judge Weller, the first wife remained at an undisclosed location until after Mack's capture...:(


That's interesting Toby. Did she give custody of their children to him willingly, or was their a custody battle?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



That's interesting Toby. Did she give custody of their children to him willingly, or was their a custody battle?
It was contentious divorce #1. The daughter was living with her mother and IIRC, the son was still with Mack (but not the day of the murder).

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

It was contentious divorce #1. The daughter was living with her mother and IIRC, the son was still with Mack (but not the day of the murder).


Hmm, wonder if he had a problem with child support and alimony issues the first time around. I have a feeling his mantra was "what's mine is mine, and never yours". If his son was living with him up until the murder, I hope he wasn't influenced by his Dad's philosophy. DH obviously expected everything was going to be handed to him on a silver platter, hence no need to further his education beyond high school. Reminds me of another family that thought they had sired a "golden child".

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Hmm, wonder if he had a problem with child support and alimony issues the first time around. I have a feeling his mantra was "what's mine is mine, and never yours". If his son was living with him up until the murder, I hope he wasn't influenced by his Dad's philosophy. DH obviously expected everything was going to be handed to him on a silver platter, hence no need to further his education beyond high school. Reminds me of another family that thought they had sired a "golden child".
Oh absolutely. I wonder if his father being killed in a plane crash in 1986 affected 'who' he became...perhaps it was his opportunity to become the 'head of the household' and mother allowed it? He would have been 25 yrs old then, and taking over his father's position may have played a part in creating his feeling of superiority...:shrug:

[Lynn2006]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Oh absolutely. I wonder if his father being killed in a plane crash in 1986 affected 'who' he became...perhaps it was his opportunity to become the 'head of the household' and mother allowed it? He would have been 25 yrs old then, and taking over his father's position may have played a part in creating his feeling of superiority...:shrug:

And, Toby, will this cycle of entitlement continue if his Mother maintains custody of their son?
It's always the children that are left to suffer so much....:rose:

[NevadaMom]

DM's mother? I don't believe she has custody of him. Maybe he's with his mom?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Lynn2006


And, Toby, will this cycle of entitlement continue if his Mother maintains custody of their son?
It's always the children that are left to suffer so much....:rose:
Darren and Charla's daughter, Erika, is with Darren's mother. The boy from his first marriage might be with his mother now that Darren is incarcerated. Not much has been mentioned about him, only that his sister was back with their mother. I agree, the children are the ones who suffer the most in these contentious divorces, and now it has been compounded with murder and incarceration. :(

[magpie1]

Originally posted by chambord



Hmm, wonder if he had a problem with child support and alimony issues the first time around. I have a feeling his mantra was "what's mine is mine, and never yours". If his son was living with him up until the murder, I hope he wasn't influenced by his Dad's philosophy. DH obviously expected everything was going to be handed to him on a silver platter, hence no need to further his education beyond high school. Reminds me of another family that thought they had sired a "golden child".

In one of the earlier articles it stated that there was a court date with the first wife this year. I think it was in regards to child support.

The first wife, Debra, re-married and is currently living in Nevada County, CA. Within hours of Charla's murder, the first wife and her family went to stay with friends. A few days later the local police escorted the family back to their home where they packed some belongings. They were planning an "extended vacation" until Darren Mack was apprehended.

I hope that at some point in time, the first wife, Debra, will grant an interview.

[NevadaMom]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS10/606290331/0/NEWS&theme=SNIPER

[NevadaMom]

FYI. The timeline of the cell phone calls after the shooting are in sequence traveling west. Boomtown is a casino/hotel west of downtown, and then the other places are further west.

[NevadaMom]

Go to the right to the Search Warrant info (PDF) for info on the timeline re: Osborne.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/NEWS/60614002&template=theme&theme=SNIPER

[nevadagirl]

Although I think DM was a total arrogant jerk, I do not agree with the way he or a lot of fathers are treated in family court. Just because you lived a luxurious lifestyle when you are married, does not entitle you to the same when you decide to leave your husband. Although Charla is the one that ultimately lost in this battle neither party was exactly innocent parties to their chaotic marriage. They BOTH were swingers, contrary to popular opinion, DM was not the only person into this behavior. Of course I think it is horrible what has happened but being that I were friends of this couple, it just drives me crazy that people feel just because the media throws out some information, it is the absolute truth. Not only was I friends with this couple, my mother works for Weller and trust me, DM wasn't the only person that has had problems with this judge. He rules like a tyrant has somewhat of a "god complex" and plays the part well. Granting someone 10k a month in alimony is just ludicrous, on top of making him pay for all household expenses. Who has 10k a month for just PLAY MONEY??? Does that seem fair to anyone?? This whole thing is tragic, for Charla and Darren and most of all, his children. Just keep in mind that even though the media is portraying him as the "swinging" husband, she was right by his side at many of these events.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS10/606290331/0/NEWS&theme=SNIPER
:seeya:
Video from the Galleria garage indicates a light colored 2006 Ford Explorer on the south side of the fifth floor...backed into a parking space facing the judge's office and the rear hatch opening and closing at the time the judge was shot. The glass hatch on the back of the vehicle lifted at 10:58am and closed at 11:04:45am. The vehicle then left the garage.

Exactly what I thought happened.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by nevadagirl
Although I think DM was a total arrogant jerk, I do not agree with the way he or a lot of fathers are treated in family court. Just because you lived a luxurious lifestyle when you are married, does not entitle you to the same when you decide to leave your husband. Although Charla is the one that ultimately lost in this battle neither party was exactly innocent parties to their chaotic marriage. They BOTH were swingers, contrary to popular opinion, DM was not the only person into this behavior. Of course I think it is horrible what has happened but being that I were friends of this couple, it just drives me crazy that people feel just because the media throws out some information, it is the absolute truth. Not only was I friends with this couple, my mother works for Weller and trust me, DM wasn't the only person that has had problems with this judge. He rules like a tyrant has somewhat of a "god complex" and plays the part well. Granting someone 10k a month in alimony is just ludicrous, on top of making him pay for all household expenses. Who has 10k a month for just PLAY MONEY??? Does that seem fair to anyone?? This whole thing is tragic, for Charla and Darren and most of all, his children. Just keep in mind that even though the media is portraying him as the "swinging" husband, she was right by his side at many of these events.

:seeya: Welcome! Thank you for your first-hand information on the case. Many people cannot even begin to relate to $10K per month to "play with" as that may be close to their yearly wages. This "swinging" lifestyle is also beyond comprehension for many. As the evidence mounts that Darren Mack not only killed Charla but also attempted to murder Judge Weller, his only defense may be his state of mind when these events occurred.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


In one of the earlier articles it stated that there was a court date with the first wife this year. I think it was in regards to child support.

The first wife, Debra, re-married and is currently living in Nevada County, CA. Within hours of Charla's murder, the first wife and her family went to stay with friends. A few days later the local police escorted the family back to their home where they packed some belongings. They were planning an "extended vacation" until Darren Mack was apprehended.

I hope that at some point in time, the first wife, Debra, will grant an interview.
If not an interview, a subpoena to testify at his trial...

[nevadagirl]

Thanks for the welcome, I found this site very interesting and loaded with facts. There are so many interesting things going on in this case, the fact that the DA had 12 conversations with DM during his negotiations is interesting in itself. My brother is an attorney who represented his mother about 2 years ago when DM sued her. (yes, he sued his own mother), his law firm is now representing her in the CUSTODY portion of his case, as it pertains to their daughter together. My point is, in talking to my brother, he was explaining how this could get real sticky because DM is friends with the DA.... they had some conversations without his attorney's knowledge ..... I was friends with Charla and she was a beautiful girl but man, talk about a dramatic marriage just awaiting the inevitable misfortune of divorce .... this was it, those two had a love hate relationship, DM was a REALLY REALLY good father. I know that sounds crazy, but he was. Just because he was a swinger doesn't negate the fact that he loved his children.

Like I said previously, my mother works directly for Weller, she is his court clerk and she said the ironic thing about this whole thing is, he was a fanatic about security. he was quite paranoid about security and it is my opinion that he knew that someday he was going to mess with the wrong dude and security needed to be there when it happened. Well it did happen and unfortunately, he was badly injured but I don't feel too sorry for him. Charla doesn't get the oppurtunity to go to New York to be on TV and talk about how he is some kind of hero. It makes me want to vomit.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by nevadagirl
Thanks for the welcome, I found this site very interesting and loaded with facts. There are so many interesting things going on in this case, the fact that the DA had 12 conversations with DM during his negotiations is interesting in itself. My brother is an attorney who represented his mother about 2 years ago when DM sued her. (yes, he sued his own mother), his law firm is now representing her in the CUSTODY portion of his case, as it pertains to their daughter together. My point is, in talking to my brother, he was explaining how this could get real sticky because DM is friends with the DA.... they had some conversations without his attorney's knowledge ..... I was friends with Charla and she was a beautiful girl but man, talk about a dramatic marriage just awaiting the inevitable misfortune of divorce .... this was it, those two had a love hate relationship, DM was a REALLY REALLY good father. I know that sounds crazy, but he was. Just because he was a swinger doesn't negate the fact that he loved his children.

Like I said previously, my mother works directly for Weller, she is his court clerk and she said the ironic thing about this whole thing is, he was a fanatic about security. he was quite paranoid about security and it is my opinion that he knew that someday he was going to mess with the wrong dude and security needed to be there when it happened. Well it did happen and unfortunately, he was badly injured but I don't feel too sorry for him. Charla doesn't get the oppurtunity to go to New York to be on TV and talk about how he is some kind of hero. It makes me want to vomit.

What is the mindset of the local people in the legal sense (your mother working for Judge Weller and your brother representing Joan Mack)? Do they feel the trial of Darren Mack should be moved out of the Reno jurisdiction, and do they feel a change of venue is likely?

Does your brother know Darren Mack's attorney, Scott Freeman, and if so, what is his opinion of him?

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by nevadagirl
Thanks for the welcome, I found this site very interesting and loaded with facts. There are so many interesting things going on in this case, the fact that the DA had 12 conversations with DM during his negotiations is interesting in itself. My brother is an attorney who represented his mother about 2 years ago when DM sued her. (yes, he sued his own mother), his law firm is now representing her in the CUSTODY portion of his case, as it pertains to their daughter together. My point is, in talking to my brother, he was explaining how this could get real sticky because DM is friends with the DA.... they had some conversations without his attorney's knowledge ..... I was friends with Charla and she was a beautiful girl but man, talk about a dramatic marriage just awaiting the inevitable misfortune of divorce .... this was it, those two had a love hate relationship, DM was a REALLY REALLY good father. I know that sounds crazy, but he was. Just because he was a swinger doesn't negate the fact that he loved his children.

Like I said previously, my mother works directly for Weller, she is his court clerk and she said the ironic thing about this whole thing is, he was a fanatic about security. he was quite paranoid about security and it is my opinion that he knew that someday he was going to mess with the wrong dude and security needed to be there when it happened. Well it did happen and unfortunately, he was badly injured but I don't feel too sorry for him. Charla doesn't get the oppurtunity to go to New York to be on TV and talk about how he is some kind of hero. It makes me want to vomit.

Welcome...:seeya:

[NevadaMom]

http://www.ccwashoe.com/public/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=DV91-256&begin_date=&end_date=

I hope this link works. If not, go to the website and search for Mack. His first divorce/child custody/child support was no piece of cake, either, and was ongoing as late as a few months ago. Surprised?

[Babby~A]

Imo nothing constitutes a man brutally killing his wife, nothing. I hope Darren Mack is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
http://www.ccwashoe.com/public/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=DV91-256&begin_date=&end_date=

I hope this link works. If not, go to the website and search for Mack. His first divorce/child custody/child support was no piece of cake, either, and was ongoing as late as a few months ago. Surprised?
Yes it worked and thanks. Two ongoing custody and child support cases...in addition to the spousal support issues, house mortgage payments, etc...however, murder is not a solution.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Babby~A
Imo nothing constitutes a man brutally killing his wife, nothing. I hope Darren Mack is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
:beer:

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Go to the right to the Search Warrant info (PDF) for info on the timeline re: Osborne.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/NEWS/60614002&template=theme&theme=SNIPER

Hi,

I'm sorry, I confuse easily :confused:

Which pdf file has info on the timeline re: Osborne?

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Hi,

I'm sorry, I confuse easily :confused:

Which pdf file has info on the timeline re: Osborne?

And, I aim to confuse!

It's the fourth link under "Multimedia and Related Links Below." It's the first one that has a red rectangle on the left.

It looks as though, after reading several documents, that Osborne did call police first and then the second call to police was by a friend of Osborne who wanted to reiterate the suspicions??

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by nevadagirl
Thanks for the welcome, I found this site very interesting and loaded with facts. There are so many interesting things going on in this case, the fact that the DA had 12 conversations with DM during his negotiations is interesting in itself. My brother is an attorney who represented his mother about 2 years ago when DM sued her. (yes, he sued his own mother), his law firm is now representing her in the CUSTODY portion of his case, as it pertains to their daughter together. My point is, in talking to my brother, he was explaining how this could get real sticky because DM is friends with the DA.... they had some conversations without his attorney's knowledge ..... I was friends with Charla and she was a beautiful girl but man, talk about a dramatic marriage just awaiting the inevitable misfortune of divorce .... this was it, those two had a love hate relationship, DM was a REALLY REALLY good father. I know that sounds crazy, but he was. Just because he was a swinger doesn't negate the fact that he loved his children.

Like I said previously, my mother works directly for Weller, she is his court clerk and she said the ironic thing about this whole thing is, he was a fanatic about security. he was quite paranoid about security and it is my opinion that he knew that someday he was going to mess with the wrong dude and security needed to be there when it happened. Well it did happen and unfortunately, he was badly injured but I don't feel too sorry for him. Charla doesn't get the oppurtunity to go to New York to be on TV and talk about how he is some kind of hero. It makes me want to vomit.

Does (real) love pair with hate?

[emilyjane]

Mack appears in court; next hearing set

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS18/606290363&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


And, I aim to confuse!

It's the fourth link under "Multimedia and Related Links Below." It's the first one that has a red rectangle on the left.

It looks as though, after reading several documents, that Osborne did call police first and then the second call to police was by a friend of Osborne who wanted to reiterate the suspicions??

Ahhhh!

Thanks!

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Ahhhh!

Thanks!

Thanks again, that's a great file and clarifies alot of info.

Dan Osborne was afraid, and I can't say as I blame him:eek:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by emilyjane
Mack appears in court; next hearing set

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS18/606290363&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews
Preliminary hearing now re-scheduled for July 11. Mack's attorney Scott Freeman called the criminal complaint charging Mack with murder and attempted murder a "fugitive document" and asked the Judge to stay these proceedings until a state judge can rule on his motion to have the prosecutors and judges in the district removed from the case.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Thanks again, that's a great file and clarifies alot of info.

Dan Osborne was afraid, and I can't say as I blame him:eek:
Still wonder if, over coffee at Starbucks, he asked Mack how his dog got covered with "red stain"? If he had reason to believe Mack had just killed Charla in the garage, then why meet him at Starbucks and not immediately call 911? :confused:

[nevadagirl]

It is funny that you asked that because I just got off the phone with my mother and apparently the Weller's staff had a meeting this morning to discuss how to handle press attempting to interview them. The producer's of Dateline have approached several of his employees for interviews, including my mother. The staff was told that under no circumstances would any individuals be doing interviews until after the trial, unless approved by the court administrator and in such cases, there would be a transcript. Obviously no employee of Weller's that does not hold him in the highest regard (basically all of them) are not going to go on TV and bash their boss but I found it funny that they even had to do it. The reason is .... the court administrator knows that there are plenty of people that have a lot to say about the way he runs his court room. As far as change in venue, they believe it should be moved, however; a judge in any jurisdiction is going to be biased ... they protect their own, regardless of their reputation.

Scott Freeman is an attorney here in Reno that is held in very high regards. The other attorney however is Oscar Goodman (mayor of Las Vegas) who represented him during times of cocaine use, prostitution, etc. .... and won. You can take a guess at how much his retainer is ... you wouldn't believe it!!

[nevadagirl]

Originally posted by Babby~A


Does (real) love pair with hate?


That isn't my place to judge. Although their relationship was very chaotic in my eyes, they had a deep passion for one another and who am I to judge their relationship??

[nevadagirl]

Originally posted by magpie1


Just a few minutes after I posted, they announced that Judge Weller was going to be on next.

I thought the interview was good, with bits of the coverage from the past two weeks.

Judge Weller seems to be a very gentle, soft-spoken man.


That is exactly what Weller wants, everyone to think he is gently and soft spoken. :shrug:

[nevadagirl]

Originally posted by Babby~A
Imo nothing constitutes a man brutally killing his wife, nothing. I hope Darren Mack is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

I don't remember saying anything constitutes him brutally killing his wife. I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

[Babby~A]

Originally posted by nevadagirl


I don't remember saying anything constitutes him brutally killing his wife. I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

No need to be defensive. I wasn't "putting words in your mouth.":o

[NevadaMom]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS10/606290335&theme=

[NevadaMom]

http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-36/t-40305

I searched for Maiss who was at one of the lunches with Mack and Garrick. Maiss works for Palace. The above site discusses his and his brother's relationships with the Macks.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-36/t-40305

I searched for Maiss who was at one of the lunches with Mack and Garrick. Maiss works for Palace. The above site discusses his and his brother's relationships with the Macks.
The way the posts are formatted on that link makes it appear that the named poster is stating the entire 'section' rather than quoting and responding to someone else. Some of them appear to be contradicting themselves...why does it display this way? :confused:

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-36/t-40305

I searched for Maiss who was at one of the lunches with Mack and Garrick. Maiss works for Palace. The above site discusses his and his brother's relationships with the Macks.

Nevada Mom,

Did you come across the site where a poster said Charla was actually Mack's third wife?

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Nevada Mom,

Did you come across the site where a poster said Charla was actually Mack's third wife?

No, I hadn't seen that. But I have been sticking mostly to this site and the news articles. Where did you see it?

[NevadaMom]

This link states his mother said he earned his college degree:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060618/NEWS01/606180377/1002

DM's myspace says "some college."

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


No, I hadn't seen that. But I have been sticking mostly to this site and the news articles. Where did you see it?

I had read the post too. It's on one of the threads. I think it was posted before Mack was arrested. From what I recall, the post didn't elaborate to anything about the first marriage, other than being married to Charla, was his third marriage.

Maybe he married his high school sweetheart, and it was a short-lived marriage?

[NevadaMom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Maybe he married his high school sweetheart, and it was a short-lived marriage? [/QUOTE

Oooooh, watch the play on words. :eek:

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


No, I hadn't seen that. But I have been sticking mostly to this site and the news articles. Where did you see it?

It was a post on www.freerepublic.com. I'm having a heck of a time finding it now.

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I had read the post too. It's on one of the threads. I think it was posted before Mack was arrested. From what I recall, the post didn't elaborate to anything about the first marriage, other than being married to Charla, was his third marriage.

Maybe he married his high school sweetheart, and it was a short-lived marriage?

Yes, it was an old post from before he was arrested.

Still looking. That site only allows search by poster in the blogs and chats.

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Yes, it was an old post from before he was arrested.

Still looking. That site only allows search by poster in the blogs and chats.

I give up! I can't find it now. I'm so glad you saw it too.

The poster was looking for more information and was going to post again. Apparently they never found it and the post I saw expired :(

[magpie1]

Originally posted by emilyjane


Nevada Mom,

Did you come across the site where a poster said Charla was actually Mack's third wife?

I remember reading about the possibility that Charla was the third wife.

I think it was speculation because the oldest - the son - was living with Mack at the time of the murder, the older daughter was with Mack's first wife, Debra, in Nevada County, CA., and the youngest daughter was with Charla.

Not knowing the custody arrangement at the time - three children, each living with a different parent - people wondered if there was another wife.

Now that we know that the two oldest are from Mack's first marriage to Debra, and that their custody order gave primary custody of the son to Mack, and primary custody of the daughter to Debra, it's clear that there's only been two wives.

[NevadaMom]

Did anyone read through the Washoe County Court filings about custody arrangements regarding DM and CM's child? The child is to be delivered at 9 a.m. Monday by the party who had the prior week's custody to the receiving parent. The delivering parent has to stay in the car and the receiving parent has to stay in the house.

I wonder where the child's suitcase was? Already with DO upstairs?

[nevadagirl]

Originally posted by Babby~A


No need to be defensive. I wasn't "putting words in your mouth.":o

Okay, just want to make sure!! I am new to this forum and I certainly don't want people to think I am siding with what Darren did!!

:seeya:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Did anyone read through the Washoe County Court filings about custody arrangements regarding DM and CM's child? The child is to be delivered at 9 a.m. Monday by the party who had the prior week's custody to the receiving parent. The delivering parent has to stay in the car and the receiving parent has to stay in the house.

I wonder where the child's suitcase was? Already with DO upstairs?
I read through the court ordered arrangements. Osborne didn't mention getting Erika's belongings out of Charla's vehicle, so we don't know who did. He did say, however, that he "assumed" the person in the car was Charla, so it appears he didn't come in contact with her. If Osborne hadn't been there, who was supposed to unload Erika's luggage on a regular basis? Erika? :shrug:

[magpie1]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Did anyone read through the Washoe County Court filings about custody arrangements regarding DM and CM's child? The child is to be delivered at 9 a.m. Monday by the party who had the prior week's custody to the receiving parent. The delivering parent has to stay in the car and the receiving parent has to stay in the house.

I wonder where the child's suitcase was? Already with DO upstairs?

In all likelihood, there wasn't a suitcase passed back and forth. Erika probably had clothing and toys at each parent's home. This is a normal pattern for divorced parents.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I read through the court ordered arrangements. Osborne didn't mention getting Erika's belongings out of Charla's vehicle, so we don't know who did. He did say, however, that he "assumed" the person in the car was Charla, so it appears he didn't come in contact with her. If Osborne hadn't been there, who was supposed to unload Erika's luggage on a regular basis? Erika? :shrug:

Like the poster above said, maybe she didn't have a suitcase each time. I bet she did have a certain amount of personal belongings, though, and she probably carried them.

HOW did this sociopath with the knife in his back pocket get his frightened, estranged wife out of the car and into his garage? Then, he closed the door... :confused:

[TobyTiger]

First Mack hearing set (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060630/NEWS10/606300409/1016)

:read:

[NevadaMom]

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/3257956.html

[chambord]

Darren Mack's atty is on Greta. In addition to knowing DH for twenty years the DA has discussed "issues" with DH prior to the murder. He has filed a motion for the DA to get off the case. DH's atty, is also saying the DA will be a witness.


moo

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord
Darren Mack's atty is on Greta. In addition to knowing DH for twenty years the DA has discussed "issues" with DH prior to the murder. He has filed a motion for the DA to get off the case. DH's atty, is also saying the DA will be a witness.


moo
:seeya: hi chambord!
I missed Greta tonight, but knew this was going to happen...there are too many 'conflicts'. Mack's attorney doesn't want to proceed any further until his motion is granted.

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

:seeya: hi chambord!
I missed Greta tonight, but knew this was going to happen...there are too many 'conflicts'. Mack's attorney doesn't want to proceed any further until his motion is granted.


Mack's atty also said that while Mack was still in Mexico and even though the DA knew he was representing Mack, the DA still kept in contact with Mack trying to negotiate further. Is the District Attorney not willing to recuse himself? Doesn't he have to, if he is on the witness list? His atty. also said their were many business leaders in the community who had discussed and given advice to DH re the judge. Wow, I see this as a battle royale coming down. Mack's atty is shrewd.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Mack's atty also said that while Mack was still in Mexico and even though the DA knew he was representing Mack, the DA still kept in contact with Mack trying to negotiate further. Is the District Attorney not willing to recuse himself? Doesn't he have to, if he is on the witness list? His atty. also said their were many business leaders in the community who had discussed and given advice to DH re the judge. Wow, I see this as a battle royale coming down. Mack's atty is shrewd.
Yes he is shrewd and the family fortune is probably being spent for him to do his best to save his client. The DA, Gammick, already recused himself from the case when Mack was apprehended. Freeman wants the DA's office removed from the case also. In addition, he believes all judges in Washoe District Court should be removed.

Mack wants Washoe judges, DA off case (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS10/606290335)
:(

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yes he is shrewd and the family fortune is probably being spent for him to do his best to save his client. The DA, Gammick, already recused himself from the case when Mack was apprehended. Freeman wants the DA's office removed from the case also. In addition, he believes all judges in Washoe District Court should be removed.

Mack wants Washoe judges, DA off case (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS10/606290335)
:(

Toby That article doesn't seem to say Gammick will remove himself or the DA office. He said something about having lunches with lots of people..Hmm, is this something he promised DH, if he can back from Mexico without a fight? That his office would still handle his case.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord


Toby That article doesn't seem to say Gammick will remove himself or the DA office. He said something about having lunches with lots of people..Hmm, is this something he promised DH, if he can back from Mexico without a fight? That his office would still handle his case.
Mack first contacted Gammick approx. June 19 and expressed a desire to surrender. Several phone conversations and e-mails ensued. Gammick didn't make any promises to Mack regarding his case while negotiating with him. In fact, they still have the option of seeking the DP. Gammick recused himself, but has his assistant, Elliott Sattler handling the case.
(Source: various articles rgj.com, klastv.com)

[thunderchild]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Yes he is shrewd and the family fortune is probably being spent for him to do his best to save his client. The DA, Gammick, already recused himself from the case when Mack was apprehended. Freeman wants the DA's office removed from the case also. In addition, he believes all judges in Washoe District Court should be removed.

Mack wants Washoe judges, DA off case (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060629/NEWS10/606290335)
:( Makes legal sense actually. Maybe not practival sense though.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by kimberly325


This may not do much for my popularity here, but I do agree with you here as well. I am sick and tired of seeing the"poor, pitiful, Honorable Judge Weller" and his comments on numerous TV shows. I wish him no harm whatsoever regardless of whether I like him or not. I was just a little bit taken back that the media seemed to act as if "the Judge's shooting" was so much more important than Charla's death. Charla was/is just as important as a person. If the alleged shooter had shot some "unnamed worker" such as the bailiff, I think we would have heard them searching for the "alleged killer of Charla, his wife" rather than "the suspected sniper in the shooting of the judge."

Kimberly :rolleyes:

Whenever there is police call about a "fallen" governmental officer, it has priority over other police calls.

IIRC, Osborne reported his "suspicions" to the police, and nothing more. As a concerned citizen (witness), his request was for them to "check the premises" or garage, and they did so. Upon their arrival, the garage was locked. At that time (or near to it), the police then received the call about Judge Weller.

Are you familar with the timeline of this case?

[NevadaMom]

In the last two weeks, I had the opportunity to see the townhome (not inside). Here are some observations:

Each building in the complex has at least four sides with various angles/doors/walkways and a row of garages that face the street. The garages are not necessarily near the "front door" of their respective townhomes. For instance, DM's was #1006 and the row of garage doors faces the street and is numbered 1, 2, etc. kind of like an apt. building covered parking. The garage for #6 has two separate doors divided by concrete/stucco, but the actual inside of the garage is one garage, it seems. When the two garage doors are up, the garage inside is one area. The driveways up to the garage doors are very short, barely enough room for a car to pull in without the rear sticking out into the street. Therefore, since CM's SUV was in the driveway, she only had to walk a few feet to be inside the garage. The buildings are very close to each other and I would think if anyone else was nearby, they would have seen or heard what was going on.

Another issue. The "front door" to his townhome is around the corner, so you cannot see the garage door or the driveway from that door (the adjoining neighbor's door is a few feet away). I don't know how DM would know CM had arrived unless he was in the garage with the door open, waiting for her -- maybe this was their arrangement. If their daughter was to enter through the front door, it would have been easier/closer for CM to stop her SUV in the street. On the other hand, maybe the upstairs windows would allow a better view of a visitor if they were in the driveway. Each garage in each building has a separate entrance to the townhome via the inside "maze" of hallways, I believe.

The news video of the coroner removing CM's body has me confused because I don't know from where the video was shot. There is not a grassy area for them to be rolling the stretcher through to the driveway. I would think that the coroner would park in the driveway, but maybe other vehicles were parked there. The coroner must have parked farther away from the driveway, like closer to the front door in visitor parking.

I did see the outside garage door opener which is on the left side of the left garage door. Of course, I don't know which side CM was killed in, but AMW's video seemed to show the left side of the garage if you're outside looking into the garage. The garages are quite small and I'm not sure how two SUVs would fit, but evidently they did. Also, there is a phone book or something in the driveway wrapped in plastic, so I don't think anyone has been there in awhile.

[NevadaMom]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060702/NEWS01/607020366/1002

[magpie1]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Whenever there is police call about a "fallen" governmental officer, it has priority over other police calls.

IIRC, Osborne reported his "suspicions" to the police, and nothing more. As a concerned citizen (witness), his request was for them to "check the premises" or garage, and they did so. Upon their arrival, the garage was locked. At that time (or near to it), the police then received the call about Judge Weller.

Are you familar with the timeline of this case?

When the police first went to Darren Mack's condo, they were responding to a possible domestic violence call, as Osborne had reported suspicions that Charla had been injured or killed. According to reports, Osborne stated that her SUV was in the driveway.

When police arrived at the condo, they didn't find an SUV parked in the driveway, and there was no reponse to thier knocking on the door.

At that point, the police were stymied from doing anything further, as they had no legal authority to enter the premises. They couldn't break down the door on only the suspicions of a citizen.

It wasn't until later, after detectives met with Dan Osborne, that the police felt they had enough information to do a "limited entry" to determine if there had been foul play.

Even after finding Charla's body, which confirmed there had been a murder, the detectives couldn't do anything further without getting a search warrant for the premises.

The shooting of a judge and the possibility of the public at large being threatened took priority over suspicions of a citizen. It took several hours for the police to determine that public safety was secure.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
In the last two weeks, I had the opportunity to see the townhome (not inside). Here are some observations:

Each building in the complex has at least four sides with various angles/doors/walkways and a row of garages that face the street. The garages are not necessarily near the "front door" of their respective townhomes. For instance, DM's was #1006 and the row of garage doors faces the street and is numbered 1, 2, etc. kind of like an apt. building covered parking. The garage for #6 has two separate doors divided by concrete/stucco, but the actual inside of the garage is one garage, it seems. When the two garage doors are up, the garage inside is one area. The driveways up to the garage doors are very short, barely enough room for a car to pull in without the rear sticking out into the street. Therefore, since CM's SUV was in the driveway, she only had to walk a few feet to be inside the garage. The buildings are very close to each other and I would think if anyone else was nearby, they would have seen or heard what was going on.

Another issue. The "front door" to his townhome is around the corner, so you cannot see the garage door or the driveway from that door (the adjoining neighbor's door is a few feet away). I don't know how DM would know CM had arrived unless he was in the garage with the door open, waiting for her -- maybe this was their arrangement. If their daughter was to enter through the front door, it would have been easier/closer for CM to stop her SUV in the street. On the other hand, maybe the upstairs windows would allow a better view of a visitor if they were in the driveway. Each garage in each building has a separate entrance to the townhome via the inside "maze" of hallways, I believe.

The news video of the coroner removing CM's body has me confused because I don't know from where the video was shot. There is not a grassy area for them to be rolling the stretcher through to the driveway. I would think that the coroner would park in the driveway, but maybe other vehicles were parked there. The coroner must have parked farther away from the driveway, like closer to the front door in visitor parking.

I did see the outside garage door opener which is on the left side of the left garage door. Of course, I don't know which side CM was killed in, but AMW's video seemed to show the left side of the garage if you're outside looking into the garage. The garages are quite small and I'm not sure how two SUVs would fit, but evidently they did. Also, there is a phone book or something in the driveway wrapped in plastic, so I don't think anyone has been there in awhile.

Is it possible that when Charla pulled into the driveway that the garage door was open and that Erika entered the residence by going through the garage and up the stairs to enter the living area?

I'm wondering if perhaps Darren had called Charla the night efore and told her he had a check for her or something that would detain her after delivering Erika to Darren's condo.

I believe that once Charla was in that garage, things happened quickly. He hit the control for the garage door, trapping Charla and stabbed her so quickly that she didn't have time to scream or react. With neighbors so close and Dan Osborne and Erika upstairs, Darren couldn't risk the possibility that people would be alerted by the sounds of a struggle.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060702/NEWS01/607020366/1002
Thanks for posting the link...it gives good background information on his attorneys. :read:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


Is it possible that when Charla pulled into the driveway that the garage door was open and that Erika entered the residence by going through the garage and up the stairs to enter the living area?

I'm wondering if perhaps Darren had called Charla the night efore and told her he had a check for her or something that would detain her after delivering Erika to Darren's condo.

I believe that once Charla was in that garage, things happened quickly. He hit the control for the garage door, trapping Charla and stabbed her so quickly that she didn't have time to scream or react. With neighbors so close and Dan Osborne and Erika upstairs, Darren couldn't risk the possibility that people would be alerted by the sounds of a struggle.
That is exactly what I think happened. For some reason there was a photocopy of a check in her vehicle, so it sounds plausible that he told her he'd give her another check. He had to do everything quickly and silently or yes, he would be caught. Therefore, it was premeditated.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

That is exactly what I think happened. For some reason there was a photocopy of a check in her vehicle, so it sounds plausible that he told her he'd give her another check. He had to do everything quickly and silently or yes, he would be caught. Therefore, it was premeditated.

Yes, checks/money might have been the ruse. And when you re-review the search warrants, you continue to see more interesting things. Now I see that the powder that was found in the garage was already in two Ziploc bags - the police didn't put the powder in them. And, I think they were gold bags. Strange. Wonder what it is? What form do steroids come in (other than prescription Prednisone, etc.)? The volume of paperwork on the judge and the volume of ammo is incredible.... I wonder why he didn't find it wrong to allow his daughter around that stuff. The possible blood on the couch - I doubt if he sat down. Wonder if the dog transferred it. And, the swabs from three drains in the bathroom, on one wall, etc. Drywall from the garage.

I believe he planned this for a very long time. Certainly before the Explorer was leased.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by magpie1


Is it possible that when Charla pulled into the driveway that the garage door was open and that Erika entered the residence by going through the garage and up the stairs to enter the living area?

I'm wondering if perhaps Darren had called Charla the night efore and told her he had a check for her or something that would detain her after delivering Erika to Darren's condo.

I believe that once Charla was in that garage, things happened quickly. He hit the control for the garage door, trapping Charla and stabbed her so quickly that she didn't have time to scream or react. With neighbors so close and Dan Osborne and Erika upstairs, Darren couldn't risk the possibility that people would be alerted by the sounds of a struggle.

I guess LE might have to question their daughter about their normal arrangement on tradeoff at DM's townhome. Yes, I would think that their daughter went through the garage door, into the small foyer, and straight up the stairs. However, we do know that Osborne saw CM, so he was somewhere outside?? I wish I could see AMW's re-enactment of it again. I don't know if they started showing the stabbing after the garage door was closed or not. And, he really is big and if, as others have stated, he was on steroids, he could have been a madman, literally. I assume the blood that LE saw outside the garage (on the concrete driveway or the door or what?) was from DM getting in CM's car to move it into the garage after dragging her body to make room for it.

[magpie1]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I guess LE might have to question their daughter about their normal arrangement on tradeoff at DM's townhome. Yes, I would think that their daughter went through the garage door, into the small foyer, and straight up the stairs. However, we do know that Osborne saw CM, so he was somewhere outside?? I wish I could see AMW's re-enactment of it again. I don't know if they started showing the stabbing after the garage door was closed or not. And, he really is big and if, as others have stated, he was on steroids, he could have been a madman, literally. I assume the blood that LE saw outside the garage (on the concrete driveway or the door or what?) was from DM getting in CM's car to move it into the garage after dragging her body to make room for it.

I watched America's Most Wanted re-enactment and I remember that the re-enactment showed the garage door closed. It was dark and viewers only saw a small woman, who backed away saying "no!" and showing "Darren" with his back to the camera and the large knife in his rear pocket. He lunged at the woman with the knife, and the next scene showed the woman on her back on the floor of the garage with a pool of blood spreading out from her neck area.

We know that AMW was in Reno for a few days, working with the Reno police. I would imagine the re-enactment was close to what they believe happened.

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by magpie1


I watched America's Most Wanted re-enactment and I remember that the re-enactment showed the garage door closed. It was dark and viewers only saw a small woman, who backed away saying "no!" and showing "Darren" with his back to the camera and the large knife in his rear pocket. He lunged at the woman with the knife, and the next scene showed the woman on her back on the floor of the garage with a pool of blood spreading out from her neck area.

We know that AMW was in Reno for a few days, working with the Reno police. I would imagine the re-enactment was close to what they believe happened.

I have been all over AMW's site to see if there is a way to view an old episode and it seems like there is; however, whenver I go to the DM case, I can only view photos of him walking to the jail, etc. Do you know if we can actually view the re-entactment somehwere on the site?

[NevadaMom]

An interesting item they found was a DVD or "Alicia" dated in January, I believe. This is going to get very interesting.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
An interesting item they found was a DVD or "Alicia" dated in January, I believe. This is going to get very interesting.
I can only imagine what's on the DVD...:rolleyes:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

That is exactly what I think happened.

I also think that's exactly what happened! :(

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I can only imagine what's on the DVD...:rolleyes:

Since the first mention of the DVD, that's my thought too. :rolleyes:

[NevadaMom]

Thank you for the information. I'm sure some of us will want to check that site out.

We are not debating the judicial system in Reno, Nevada. It might be awful for fathers. I don't know.

We are discussing the murder of a woman and the attempted murder of a man.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by NevadaMom
Thank you for the information. I'm sure some of us will want to check that site out.

We are not debating the judicial system in Reno, Nevada. It might be awful for fathers. I don't know.

We are discussing the murder of a woman and the attempted murder of a man.

Thank you. I think the original poster might receive more feedback and meaningful discussion if the info is posted on CourtTV's political forum?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Tonja
Oh! I see you have been checking up on me?

There is no doubt in my mind that he hates me, but, he can't say really anything that negative about me. Because of the wonderful things I have done for our state. Besides, he really doesn't know what kind of documentation that I may or may not have. It could come back and bite him in the butt later on if he does. Actually, some of it did and I put it in the book.

I would post a page or two out of the book with regard to Gammick here, if they others wanted to see it?

I must admit that I am not wise in the computer field. What is cp?

:confused:There is a celebrity author amongst us? :confused:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Tonja
A celebrity Author? I'm still working on it.

(snipped for space)

Fortunately, for us, we were able to maintain a well documented paper trial. That is why nobody can dispute the facts that have unfolded within the pages of this book. Believe me when I say, you will never look at JUDGE MILLS LANE the same again. He is not our local hero as everyone thinks he is. And to think, that Judge Chuck Weller was shot inside the new Mills B. Lane courthouse building. Lane's name should be removed from that building.
Thanks for the insight and now I understand what you were referencing in the previous posts. I commend your diligence in getting the truth out...:read:

[chambord]

Originally posted by Tonja
Oh! I see you have been checking up on me?

There is no doubt in my mind that he hates me, but, he can't say really anything that negative about me. Because of the wonderful things I have done for our state. Besides, he really doesn't know what kind of documentation that I may or may not have. It could come back and bite him in the butt later on if he does. Actually, some of it did and I put it in the book.

I would post a page or two out of the book with regard to Gammick here, if they others wanted to see it?

I must admit that I am not wise in the computer field. What is cp?


Tonja

You made the offer, I would love to see a post or two with regard to Gammick.

Your user cp is at the top of the page you post on. If you click it, it brings you to private messages if you have any.

[chambord]

Originally posted by Tonja
Did you watch the Hannity and Colmes show that just aired? Dennis Hof, the owner of one of the Brothels we have here was a guest on their show. It would appear that Darren Mack was spending a lot of his time there just before he murdered his wife and shot Weller.

I took this out of the book.

Dear Tonja:
Nevada Revised Statutes 171.085 requires that criminal complaints be filed in felony cases within three years unless the case is one of the clearly specified exceptions. Since the alleged perjury in this case occurred on June 20, 1991 the three years statute of limitations has run and this office would be unable to file a case even if we felt it was appropriate to do so.
If you have any further questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours truly, Richard A. Gammick, District Attorney


I did see the Hannity and Colmes broadcast.,yes, I recall Darrin was a frequent guest. I recall awhile ago one or two of the "girls" he was familar with there gave interviews.

As to the letter above from Mr Gammick, I find nothing unusual about it, unless I'm missing your point, there was a three year limit on criminal complaints as he stated, in felony cases. Or do you disagree with that, and its not the case.

[TobyTiger]

Darren Mack's Preliminary Hearing Delayed (http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=5110044)

Both sides of the case agreed to change the date until August, to allow time for a ruling on a defense motion to bar all Washoe County prosecutors and judges from the case...
:read:

[TobyTiger]

Washoe DA turns Mack case over to the Clark County Prosecutors (http://www.kesq.com/global/story.asp?s=5115114)

Washoe County DA Dick Gammick has turned the case of a wealthy businessman charged with killing his wife and shooting a judge over to the Clark County DA's office to prosecute...
:read:

[emilyjane]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
Washoe DA turns Mack case over to the Clark County Prosecutors (http://www.kesq.com/global/story.asp?s=5115114)

Washoe County DA Dick Gammick has turned the case of a wealthy businessman charged with killing his wife and shooting a judge over to the Clark County DA's office to prosecute...
:read:

RGJ has a good article too

Clark County DA to prosecute Mack case

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/NEWS18/607050357&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Tonja
It was the only choice Gammick should have made.
Exactly. Clark County (Las Vegas) is the proper venue for this case to ensure Mack receives a fair trial to avoid numerous appellate issues. :)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Exactly. Clark County (Las Vegas) is the proper venue for this case to ensure Mack receives a fair trial to avoid numerous appellate issues. :)

I think Las Vegas is where Shawn Shelton is awaiting his trial.

Maybe Shawn and Darren can ban together and discuss the topics of the day! :D

[magpie1]

What sort of time frame are we looking at for the trial? I'm thinking it will be sometime next spring.

[nevadagirl]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I think Las Vegas is where Shawn Shelton is awaiting his trial.

Maybe Shawn and Darren can ban together and discuss the topics of the day! :D


Who is Shawn Shelton? Did he murder his wife also. Geeze, these men!!! Another reason NOT to get married :)

:lol:

[TobyTiger]

**Freshwater started a new thread for discussion regarding the trial being moved to Clark County**

:) :) :)

[nevadagirl]

Originally posted by TobyTiger
**Freshwater started a new thread for discussion regarding the trial being moved to Clark County**

:) :) :)


Okay so a rumor that is now started in Reno is Weller was having an affair with Charla. My girlfriend trains another judge in town so the source is somewhat reliable. If that is true, this should get real interesting.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by nevadagirl



Okay so a rumor that is now started in Reno is Weller was having an affair with Charla. My girlfriend trains another judge in town so the source is somewhat reliable. If that is true, this should get real interesting.
The Biggest Little City in the World has turned into Hollywood? :rolleyes:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by kimberly325


Shawn Shelton is accused of kidnapping and sexually assaulting a 14- year-old boy by posing as a police officer.

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4975108

Just another "really nice guy"....Yeah, right!



O/T Shawn Shelton.

More is here:

http://www.huffcrimeblog.com/

(Shawn Shelton) … I Told You So.
July 7th, 2006

[magpie1]

Originally posted by nevadagirl



Okay so a rumor that is now started in Reno is Weller was having an affair with Charla. My girlfriend trains another judge in town so the source is somewhat reliable. If that is true, this should get real interesting.

This sounds like the type of rumor that would be started by the "mad dads" that are dominating the Reno-Gazette-Journal blog on the courthouse shooting and murder of Charla Mack.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


This sounds like the type of rumor that would be started by the "mad dads" that are dominating the Reno-Gazette-Journal blog on the courthouse shooting and murder of Charla Mack.
Agree...sounds like a logical place for this "rumor" to be coming from. :eek:

[chambord]

Mack's atty on CC Live in a few minutes...(after commercial:( )

[chambord]

Defense wants all the judges in both counties recused, and special judge be brought in.

[chambord]

CC asking about a change of venue. Atty says 240 broadcasts in the area, needs to take a good look re that.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by chambord
Defense wants all the judges in both counties recused, and special judge be brought in.

And possibly a COV!

[chambord]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


And possibly a COV!

Yup!! Have you heard the rumor that Charla was having an affair with the judge, (Weller).?

[chambord]

Defense atty.'s response to CC question re a mental deficency defense says they have proofessionals reviewing Darren, and will keep the court and everyone advised. Hmm.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


And possibly a COV!
Hi Paula!
The case has already been moved to Clark County (Las Vegas) earlier this week...there really isn't anywhere else in the State to move it again ;)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord
Defense wants all the judges in both counties recused, and special judge be brought in.
Since this is a state trial, and has already been relocated to Clark County (Las Vegas) there doesn't seem to be any more options available. DA Gammick has recused himself and reassigned the case to Clark County prosecutors and judges (per news articles earlier this week). :shrug:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by chambord


Yup!! Have you heard the rumor that Charla was having an affair with the judge, (Weller).?

No, I hadn't, but it sure sounds like Def spin to explain why DM went off the deep end and shot judge Weller, LOL!

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Hi Paula!
The case has already been moved to Clark County (Las Vegas) earlier this week...there really isn't anywhere else in the State to move it again ;)

Hi Toby!

DM's attorney was on CC's show tonight and he spoke of recusals as well as possibly seeking a COV.

LOL! That might be the point - move it to another state (j/k)!

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi Toby!

DM's attorney was on CC's show tonight and he spoke of recusals as well as possibly seeking a COV.

LOL! That might be the point - move it to another state (j/k)!
It wouldn't surprise me if the defense tried that, but I'm sure he'll find a jury in Las Vegas...:D

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Tonja
Or a rural county where the towns are small and are far and in between. And the local tv station is in another state, like Utah.
A rural jury may not have heard much about the case, however there would be a better chance of finding an unbiased jury in Clark County. There are certain aspects regarding the defendant that may be better accepted by those in the Las Vegas area rather than a rural community.

[dave134]

I have a question about bail. It was a few weeks ago when this thing was first getting going that they were talking about bail on Nancy Grace and nobody had anything definitive to say about whether or not bail would be granted. It seemed preposterous to me that bail would even be considered since he already ran away to Mexico once! Does anybody know when they decide on this and is it actually a possbility??

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by dave134
I have a question about bail. It was a few weeks ago when this thing was first getting going that they were talking about bail on Nancy Grace and nobody had anything definitive to say about whether or not bail would be granted. It seemed preposterous to me that bail would even be considered since he already ran away to Mexico once! Does anybody know when they decide on this and is it actually a possbility??
Bail is normally addressed at arraignment. If it ever were a possibility, I'm sure Darren Mack's flight to Mexico nullified it.

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Bail is normally addressed at arraignment. If it ever were a possibility, I'm sure Darren Mack's flight to Mexico nullified it.


Aha Toby, never say never, look at what just happened to Mary Winkler...she's murder 1, did flee, and was awarded bail

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by chambord



Aha Toby, never say never, look at what just happened to Mary Winkler...she's murder 1, did flee, and was awarded bail
Very true wise chambord! However she's not in Nevada and didn't attempt to kill a judge with a rifle from a parking garage...

(ps has she posted the bail yet?)

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Tonja
Las Vegas may not be the place to try this case. Because, just recently, a California federal Judge will be contacting the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to look into conducting an investigation into a sitting Federal Judge Mahan. It was also reported that as many as 8 other judges and I heard these judges are not federal judges are going to be investigated into as well.

So you have Las Vegas with possible corrupt judges and I can possibly see a hung jury ho may feel some compassion for what Darren did. They won't be biased but, may have a few axes to grind for themselves.
I was primarily thinking of the jury in Las Vegas being more open-minded which would go toward Mack's benefit. In the meantime there are plenty of judges here in California if the State Attorneys office wanted to proceed with the stolen vehicle charges...:D

[magpie1]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I was primarily thinking of the jury in Las Vegas being more open-minded which would go toward Mack's benefit. In the meantime there are plenty of judges here in California if the State Attorneys office wanted to proceed with the stolen vehicle charges...:D

TobyTiger.......... I like your line of thinking on this......pursuing the stolen vehicle charges. :)

Heck.....with the purported level of corruption in Nevada courts, perhaps they should just have a major change of venue, and move the entire trial to California. :)

[chambord]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Very true wise chambord! However she's not in Nevada and didn't attempt to kill a judge with a rifle from a parking garage...

(ps has she posted the bail yet?)


Just got home so I haven't caught up yet, I would assume that the mere $75,000 bond will be met next week.

As for Darrin, with all his business associates, etc., there is wiggle room to think he may get bail too. After Mary, nothing would suprise me.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by chambord



Just got home so I haven't caught up yet, I would assume that the mere $75,000 bond will be met next week.

As for Darrin, with all his business associates, etc., there is wiggle room to think he may get bail too. After Mary, nothing would suprise me.

Did Mary rent a car, shoot her husband, a judge, and flee the country too?

[thepoint]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Did Mary rent a car, shoot her husband, a judge, and flee the country too?
has mack confessed and did he flee with Both the killing weapon And his child ... mack allegedly :cool: shot a judge, so he won't get bail.
imo.

[magpie1]

The Reno Gazette-Journal blog on the events of June 12th, is asking readers for their opinion on where the silver, 2006, Ford Explorer that Darren Mack rented and used during his escape, is located.

Evidently the police have been unsuccessful in locating the vehicle and are hoping for clues from the public.

Anyone here have any ideas where that vehicle might be hidden?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by thepoint

has mack confessed and did he flee with Both the killing weapon And his child ... mack allegedly :cool: shot a judge, so he won't get bail.
imo.

Has he confessed? Did they ever locate the rented vehicle, and the killing weapon?

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Has he confessed? Did they ever locate the rented vehicle, and the killing weapon?
No, no and no! :mad:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1
The Reno Gazette-Journal blog on the events of June 12th, is asking readers for their opinion on where the silver, 2006, Ford Explorer that Darren Mack rented and used during his escape, is located.

Evidently the police have been unsuccessful in locating the vehicle and are hoping for clues from the public.

Anyone here have any ideas where that vehicle might be hidden?
Yes...but first, I'm surprised we haven't heard anything more from LE regarding how Mack got to Mexico. If they're still looking for the Explorer does that mean he drove to Mexico, and it's possibly there? They have ways of determining if he took one of the few flights out of LAX the night of June 12th. If he flew, then it'd be near the airport (LAX has several outlying parking lots).

I'd also like to know when he's going to be charged with the theft of the vehicle. :mad:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by Tonja
It seems to me I recall hearing that Darren took a bus from Northern California down into Mexico.
I know that someone here posted that as a question or possibility but all that has been proven is that he was travelling by bus in Mexico.

Since he had been identified as a suspect almost immediately after the shooting of Judge Weller, it would be highly risky to be travelling on a Greyhound from let's say, Sacramento to Mexico. The bus would make several stops, there would probably be a change of busses, it is time consuming and the risk that a passenger could identify him and he would be "trapped".

[NevadaMom]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

I know that someone here posted that as a question or possibility but all that has been proven is that he was travelling by bus in Mexico.

Since he had been identified as a suspect almost immediately after the shooting of Judge Weller, it would be highly risky to be travelling on a Greyhound from let's say, Sacramento to Mexico. The bus would make several stops, there would probably be a change of busses, it is time consuming and the risk that a passenger could identify him and he would be "trapped".

I remember reading or seeing it on TV that LE thought he drove to Mexico and it sounded that they were pretty certain of it.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by NevadaMom


I remember reading or seeing it on TV that LE thought he drove to Mexico and it sounded that they were pretty certain of it.
Then they must have checked with the airlines and determined he had not flown. If he had weapons with him, he wouldn't be able to have taken them on a plane anyway, but could have sold them along the way to Mexico, or in Mexico possibly, along with the vehicle. :mad:

[magpie1]

The only thing I could find in articles on the case regarding the mode of transportation was this: "But it is unclear how he got from Reno on the morning of June 12 to Mexico. Police found no evidence that he has used his passport since leaving Reno, or a passport under his two aliases, Poehlman said."

There were reports in the media that Darren Mack was travelling in Mexico by bus, but I don't recall any comments on how he got to Mexico.

Personally, I think he ditched the silver Ford Explorer within hours after the murder of Charla and shooting of Judge Weller. By late afternoon/early evening of June 12th there was a bulletin out on the rented 2006 silver Ford Explorer.

I think he may have had another vehicle hidden somewhere and exchanged the Explorer for the other vehicle within the first few hours. The Ford Explorer is either well hidden in a garage somewhere, or was given to someone to part out.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1
The only thing I could find in articles on the case regarding the mode of transportation was this: "But it is unclear how he got from Reno on the morning of June 12 to Mexico. Police found no evidence that he has used his passport since leaving Reno, or a passport under his two aliases, Poehlman said."

There were reports in the media that Darren Mack was travelling in Mexico by bus, but I don't recall any comments on how he got to Mexico.

Personally, I think he ditched the silver Ford Explorer within hours after the murder of Charla and shooting of Judge Weller. By late afternoon/early evening of June 12th there was a bulletin out on the rented 2006 silver Ford Explorer.

I think he may have had another vehicle hidden somewhere and exchanged the Explorer for the other vehicle within the first few hours. The Ford Explorer is either well hidden in a garage somewhere, or was given to someone to part out.
Thanks for that information - when was that article printed? I have them all but may have overlooked that paragraph...

If he drove to Mexico, I tend to agree that he switched vehicles in California. The drive from Reno to the Mexican border takes many hours, and all LE (especially the CHP) had a BOLO out on the Ford Explorer from the afternoon of the 12th. Another question we don't have answers to is whether or not he actually had "an arsenal of weapons" with him or just the rifle he used to shoot Judge Weller. :shrug:

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by kimberly325


Toby, I do recall that when they finally took DM into custody in the hotel in Mexico that they said he was unarmed.

Kimberly
I know he was unarmed when captured, but what I was wondering is if he did have a cache of weapons with him when he left Reno, where in California he disposed of them? :shrug:

[magpie1]

Originally posted by TobyTiger

Thanks for that information - when was that article printed? I have them all but may have overlooked that paragraph...

If he drove to Mexico, I tend to agree that he switched vehicles in California. The drive from Reno to the Mexican border takes many hours, and all LE (especially the CHP) had a BOLO out on the Ford Explorer from the afternoon of the 12th. Another question we don't have answers to is whether or not he actually had "an arsenal of weapons" with him or just the rifle he used to shoot Judge Weller. :shrug:

Hi TobyTiger,
It was the Reno Gazette-Journal article titled "Mack Spotted at Resort", and published the Thursday before his Friday capture. I think it was June 22nd.

[TobyTiger]

Originally posted by magpie1


Hi TobyTiger,
It was the Reno Gazette-Journal article titled "Mack Spotted at Resort", and published the Thursday before his Friday capture. I think it was June 22nd.
Ahhh, yes! I knew I had it...:D
Thanks!

[LNL]

Here's part I...
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060715/NEWS18/607160328/0/NEWS&theme=MACKFLIGHT

His intense stare unnerved her -- the way his eyes followed her around the room, catching her reflection in the mirror or watching her over his shoulder as he lifted weights.

He rattled 20-year-old Virginia Delgadillo so much that she asked her fitness center co-workers at the exclusive Baja Mexico resort whether this dark-haired muscular American had done the same with them.

And his intensity was so noticeable that an American Airlines pilot who had run on a treadmill next to this mysterious man walked over to Delgadillo after the man left one morning and asked: "Who was that guy?"

When the pilot returned to the United States days later, he got his answer from television news reports. The man was Darren Mack, a wealthy Reno businessman wanted in the June 12 death of his estranged wife and in the shooting of the judge who was deciding their divorce.

continues at link....

[Babby~A]

What a nit wit :rolleyes: went right back to the sight of the Eutopia swinger conventions.

[LNL]

Originally posted by Babby~A
What a nit wit :rolleyes: went right back to the sight of the Eutopia swinger conventions.
Yep, followed all his old habits...working out, same hotels. How stupid.

Interesting that he was creepy enough for a guy to notice and remember him.

[paperbackreader]

Originally posted by kimberly325


This may not do much for my popularity here, but I do agree with you here as well. I am sick and tired of seeing the"poor, pitiful, Honorable Judge Weller" and his comments on numerous TV shows. I wish him no harm whatsoever regardless of whether I like him or not. I was just a little bit taken back that the media seemed to act as if "the Judge's shooting" was so much more important than Charla's death. Charla was/is just as important as a person. If the alleged shooter had shot some "unnamed worker" such as the bailiff, I think we would have heard them searching for the "alleged killer of Charla, his wife" rather than "the suspected sniper in the shooting of the judge."

Kimberly :rolleyes:

News value is based sometimes on the uniqueness of a story. Husbands kill wives often. Judges, on the other hand, aren't usually shot by angry snipers.