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Researcher

11-07-2005, 10:50 PM

Notes from Greta...My fingers were going as fast as I could...since I can't walk and chew gum at the same time, I may have missed or misheard a few things while I was typing and listening at same time...apologies in advance.

Fox
1.) Anita Gattis + sheriff (3rd term)
30-40 anonymous tips/day to private line
Latex glove seized w/in a few hours of reported missing
It looked fresh, LE checking for fingerprints, DNA
Luminol sprayed in house-no evidence blood
Can’t say if lamp has any significance
TG lived w/ father while student teaching
Low crime area
1 incident only re TG-that was re student

2.) Marcus Harper
Summer 1998, met at friends house
5.5 yrs, a commitment, honest w/ her re not wanting to get married bc of his career
Never lived together; was a “Dating relationship”
10/2004-she said it was time for her to move on bc looking for marriage
He was upset at 1st, felt rejected, moved on
Remained friends, saw each other whenever back in town
She asked several times re rekindling relationship, but now he rejected her
Last saw her 10/14 am @ 9am
She woke him by knocking on his windows; she apparently had done this before
He lives about 6 miles away, she was cryng, upset re something
She was very irrational, said that if she found out if he was dating someone else
Came by same afternoon, wanted to hug him “one last time”
She wrote him 1-2 emails, he gave to police
Talked w/ GBI 4-5 times
He hired his own polygraph expert

3) Harper’s Atty
MH said sister was making an accusation which is why he called atty
Said sis said, “What did you do to my sister?”
Police searched truck
Sprayed luminol in truck
The only thing is that initial request for polygraph detained bc atty was in court so atty hired polygraph expert who administered and read test
10/22 11 am to Mon am MH can account “for every minute”
In company of someone from Dept of Natural resources, another Police officer
Odd, but Sun was w/ Dept Nat Res (missed this part_
10/22 w/ step sis and her bf til 1am at bar in Fitzgerald-to listen to a band; MH doesn’t drink
Called to find friend -out w/ him, back @ 5:30am (I think he’s referring to another police officer here)
10-10:30am came back in town Sun (? To father’s house)

4) Anita
Neighbors called police re student
1 of best friends came to house 1st-looked same as always
Clothes she was wearing to beauty pageant were UNDER other clothes
Lamp, knocked over on table, broken but crystals not broken so assumes it may not have fallen to floor
Clock 6 hrs off-
Car unlocked-always locked her car
She is 5’3”-seat farther back than for person her size
Passenger seat very far back
She didn’t bring anyone w/ her in car
Dolly Madison-got for birthday last yr
Dog barked 7am to 9am constantly next morning

5) Troy Davis (former superintendent)
Known her 8 yrs
Dinner at his home, ate w/ them on regular basis
8 people
She got there btwn 8 and 8:30pm
Jeans, beige shirt
Left @ 11pm
Would have been home 11:02
Drove her own car
Neighbors across the street, 3 blocks away + his children
Mentioned she visited MH a few wks prior, readu to move on
Only problem he’d ever heard of was re problem w/ student
Not likely to open door to stranger

Former Juror

11-07-2005, 11:10 PM

I didn't get a good read of Marcus because of the weird angle of the camera. Why did they video the interview from the sides of his and Greta's faces?

Researcher

11-07-2005, 11:22 PM

Former Juror

11-07-2005, 11:45 PM

Gosh, I don't know. This one has me stumped. I know a few people around Ocilla and would like to make a call or two and get some opinions.

Odds are that he had something to do with it. But, he seemed honest, and it appeared that he is cooperating. I am impressed that he did an interview. Most men in his situation would not subject themselves to that. And, I thought his attorney was very forthcoming.

The part that had me skeptical of him was the Friday morning episode he described of her knocking on his window and acting erratic and threatening herself. That seems inconsistent with everything else I've heard reported about her, and it seems like he is trying to put suicide in our thoughts, if and when she is found.

What do you think?

Researcher

11-08-2005, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by Former Juror
Gosh, I don't know. This one has me stumped. I know a few people around Ocilla and would like to make a call or two and get some opinions.

Odds are that he had something to do with it. But, he seemed honest, and it appeared that he is cooperating. I am impressed that he did an interview. Most men in his situation would not subject themselves to that. And, I thought his attorney was very forthcoming.

The part that had me skeptical of him was the Friday morning episode he described of her knocking on his window and acting erratic and threatening herself. That seems inconsistent with everything else I've heard reported about her, and it seems like he is trying to put suicide in our thoughts, if and when she is found.

What do you think?

I totally agree with you re his reporting about her knocking on his window, that she had done that before (I think he said it was "not unusual" or something like that), and then threatening suicide. She seems like such a positive person with lots of faith. What flashed through my mind was that he pulled the story out of his hat based on the story about the student coming to bang on her front door...trying to make her seem unstable in a way similar to that student. I also thought it was interesting that he had alibis up the whazoo. And I didn't realize you could go out and select whatever polygraph expert you chose rather than using the one that LE assigns; but I don't know how that works...maybe that's normal.

Babes

11-08-2005, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Researcher
Notes from Greta...My fingers were going as fast as I could...since I can't walk and chew gum at the same time, I may have missed or misheard a few things while I was typing and listening at same time...apologies in advance.

Fox
1.) Anita Gattis + sheriff (3rd term)
30-40 anonymous tips/day to private line
Latex glove seized w/in a few hours of reported missing
It looked fresh, LE checking for fingerprints, DNA
Luminol sprayed in house-no evidence blood
Can’t say if lamp has any significance
TG lived w/ father while student teaching
Low crime area
1 incident only re TG-that was re student

2.) Marcus Harper
Summer 1998, met at friends house
5.5 yrs, a commitment, honest w/ her re not wanting to get married bc of his career
Never lived together; was a “Dating relationship”
10/2004-she said it was time for her to move on bc looking for marriage
He was upset at 1st, felt rejected, moved on
Remained friends, saw each other whenever back in town
She asked several times re rekindling relationship, but now he rejected her
Last saw her 10/14 am @ 9am
She woke him by knocking on his windows; she apparently had done this before
He lives about 6 miles away, she was cryng, upset re something
She was very irrational, said that if she found out if he was dating someone else
Came by same afternoon, wanted to hug him “one last time”
She wrote him 1-2 emails, he gave to police
Talked w/ GBI 4-5 times
He hired his own polygraph expert

3) Harper’s Atty
MH said sister was making an accusation which is why he called atty
Said sis said, “What did you do to my sister?”
Police searched truck
Sprayed luminol in truck
The only thing is that initial request for polygraph detained bc atty was in court so atty hired polygraph expert who administered and read test
10/22 11 am to Mon am MH can account “for every minute”
In company of someone from Dept of Natural resources, another Police officer
Odd, but Sun was w/ Dept Nat Res (missed this part_
10/22 w/ step sis and her bf til 1am at bar in Fitzgerald-to listen to a band; MH doesn’t drink
Called to find friend -out w/ him, back @ 5:30am (I think he’s referring to another police officer here)
10-10:30am came back in town Sun (? To father’s house)

4) Anita
Neighbors called police re student
1 of best friends came to house 1st-looked same as always
Clothes she was wearing to beauty pageant were UNDER other clothes
Lamp, knocked over on table, broken but crystals not broken so assumes it may not have fallen to floor
Clock 6 hrs off-
Car unlocked-always locked her car
She is 5’3”-seat farther back than for person her size
Passenger seat very far back
She didn’t bring anyone w/ her in car
Dolly Madison-got for birthday last yr
Dog barked 7am to 9am constantly next morning

5) Troy Davis (former superintendent)
Known her 8 yrs
Dinner at his home, ate w/ them on regular basis
8 people
She got there btwn 8 and 8:30pm
Jeans, beige shirt
Left @ 11pm
Would have been home 11:02
Drove her own car
Neighbors across the street, 3 blocks away + his children
Mentioned she visited MH a few wks prior, readu to move on
Only problem he’d ever heard of was re problem w/ student
Not likely to open door to stranger

Thanks for this summary. So from 5:30-10:00am no one knows his location other than he was sleeping.

yummers59

11-08-2005, 12:26 AM

And that's odd that it was between those times that her dog was barking non-stop.

Researcher

11-08-2005, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by yummers59
And that's odd that it was between those times that her dog was barking non-stop.

Yummers, Great observation! Hadn't connected those things before. Very interesting.

Babes

11-08-2005, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by Former Juror
I didn't get a good read of Marcus because of the weird angle of the camera. Why did they video the interview from the sides of his and Greta's faces?

Looks like he doesnt want to face the camera ... so they cant see his emotions ( like dianne's sawyer's interview to scott and every bit of facial expressions of scott was scrutinized) ....or he doesnt want to be recognize by anyone?

fsbiii

11-08-2005, 06:16 AM

From a legal standpoint, you have your client take a private polygraph so you know if he or she will pass or fail it without the public knowing it. If they fail, no one knows; if they pass, it's broadcast on the news. I bet Harper wouldn't take a police polygraph, still, even if his lawyer is out of court now....

You're right on the 5:30 am - 10:00 am time frame. I don't think "sleeping at home" is gonna cut it for an alibi once more of this is fleshed out.

The camera angle, the rehearsed answers, the private poly, the lawyer doing all the time frame talking instead of Harper... a lot of things add up to be disturbing about this interview.

AJandTam

11-08-2005, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Researcher

I totally agree with you re his reporting about her knocking on his window, that she had done that before (I think he said it was "not unusual" or something like that), and then threatening suicide. She seems like such a positive person with lots of faith. What flashed through my mind was that he pulled the story out of his hat based on the story about the student coming to bang on her front door...trying to make her seem unstable in a way similar to that student. I also thought it was interesting that he had alibis up the whazoo. And I didn't realize you could go out and select whatever polygraph expert you chose rather than using the one that LE assigns; but I don't know how that works...maybe that's normal.

Hi Researcher. Yes, it is common for people to find their own polygrapher via a lawyer. It's accepted because in truth. He didn't have to take a poly at all. Poly's are optional.

joanne

11-08-2005, 09:53 AM

I am sure that Marcus was filmed from a weird angle to protect his job, image, reputation, etc.
what more can he do to clear himself?

About people thinking the statements are out of character with everything that has been said about Tara. Even the sweetest, prettiest, and most positive people fall in love and when people get hurt in love many times they say things that they don't mean and do things (like knock on a window) trying to win someone back.

crazyhorse

11-08-2005, 09:54 AM

Researcher-you are a gem, thank you for the summary. I missed the interview. Yummers-great point about the dog barking. I am VERY suspicious of Harper, exspecially the suicide accusations & TG car's drivers seat placement. There are so many possibilities to what "could have happened"..................I am hoping for the best but reality sets in and it'll probly be the worst.

joanne

11-08-2005, 10:02 AM

Crazyhorse, I am just curious, why you are suspicous of Harper...................because he dated her?

joanne

11-08-2005, 10:09 AM

That is because he HAD NO MOTIVE! Marcus like I have said before has told many of his friends before that he cares deeply for Tara, but he has never wanted the married life, she did, end of story. Tara loved/s him very much and has always hoped that she could change that...........what normal girl wouldn't/ There is nothing weird or suspicous about that. It is the truth and has been voiced even before all of this happend, it is not a new discovery that Marcus does not want a girlfriend/ wife/ commitment with anyone right now he is very focused on his carreer.

joanne

11-08-2005, 10:14 AM

I understand the the purpose of this fourm is not to defend Marucs, however this section is simply about the interview and the way I see it, is that he has done all that has been asked of him, and I am positive he will continue.
I believe that we are wasting our efforts, if this is a brainstorming forum, continuously only offering up possible solutions that involve someone with an alibi and poligraph already accounted by through authorities.

gilligan

11-08-2005, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by joanne
I understand the the purpose of this fourm is not to defend Marucs, however this section is simply about the interview and the way I see it, is that he has done all that has been asked of him, and I am positive he will continue.
I believe that we are wasting our efforts, if this is a brainstorming forum, continuously only offering up possible solutions that involve someone with an alibi and poligraph already accounted by through authorities.

This is a public forum and anyone can express any opinion that they might have. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen as my mama always said...

All we are doing is going over any angle and tossing around to see if we can come up with any way to find Tara...That is our only concern...

I understand that Marcus is your friend and you want to protect him...But, he is subject to speculation in my opinion...

crazyhorse

11-08-2005, 12:10 PM

Joanne: its just a feeling I get from Harpers alibi/comments. By all means......I am NOT saying he IS the only one I am suspicious about. However, he seems to be very intelligent and familiar with crime scene procedure. In my mind, he is more suspicious than the love-struck-obsessed student. Also, I havent ruled out the guy who TG is currently dating-nothing much said about him. Also, I would like more info on the dinner party TG attended, who was there and TG's relationships with them. Then, there is the TOTAL STRANGER factor, look at the Groene's case, a total idiot maniac was to blame, not some "drug debt collected" as speculated by some in the town. SO JOANNE-that is MY reasoning, I am NOT convicting Harper, just speculating on the facts present and listening to my instincts. p.s. a polygraph can be passed by a guilty person

murdershewrote

11-08-2005, 12:51 PM

Well, I'm usually inclined to look at the boyfriend/husband in cases like this...but after hearing the interview with Marcus, I just don't think he is involved. His story seems very believable to me. Most people are home asleep at 5:30 am in the morning. I sure couldn't have an alibi for myself at 5:30 every morning. There's no history of violent between them.

Let's look at this from viewing Tara's life as we know it. She is 30 years old, not married yet, feeling the biological clock ticking (especially for a southern girl). She's pretty, talented, all that stuff, but can't get seem to get into a "marrying" kind of relationship. IMO, this beauty queen stuff is a little exaggerated, she won one local beauty contest and tried for Miss Georgia. Not saying that's a small accomplishment but seems a little out of proportion here. Please believe me, I'm not trying to bash her but we need to examine her life as it is. Maybe she did go knocking on this guy's window at all hours...who knows? She might be a little nutty over this guy, who knows? Maybe she did threaten suicide. We've all been fooled before in some of these cases. Some people can lead squeaky clean lives and still be nutty.

About the lamp she leaves on every night for the neighbors to check on her...that seems really odd to me. You mean to tell me she never stayed overnight with anybody she dated...she came home every single night of her life? She's always tucked in at a reasonable hour? This was the only night the neighbors noticed her light not being on? I don't believe that.

Question...why were the clothes that she was wearing that night still in her bedroom buried under some other clothes? I would think LE would have taken those clothes to look for some evidence...hairs, fiber, blood, etc. but they are just sitting there..everybody's handled them by now. Not very impressed with LE in this case so far.

Belive me. I'm not bashed the "victim" here but I think we need to be open to looking at all angles, whatever they might be, wherever they might lead. I think this is not going to come to a good conclusion.

gilligan

11-08-2005, 01:25 PM

I just do not buy into the suicide theory...If that was the case...she would have been found by now.....People just don't commit suicide and hide...

I can't get past TH saying that Tara was talking suicide...sounds like he is setting us up for something...MOO

crazyhorse

11-08-2005, 01:33 PM

MURDERSHEWROTE: that was a good post. It certainly has taken my mind down another avenue (one I think I have been avoiding and needed a push, thnx!) I do not think you are victim bashing, certainly stated some very good points. Just because one is beautiful doesnt mean they 'fall' into thier perfect and desired relationships. Who REALLY knows what goes on inside another person's mind....some people really do appear stable and to "have it all" but in reality, thier lives are a complete farce. I truly hate the fact that something bad has happened to TG whether it be by her own accord or by someone else. But I think foul play is involved, just my opinion from the facts that are known.

gilligan

11-08-2005, 01:41 PM

murdershewrote

11-08-2005, 02:11 PM

I don't believe she committed suicide but I am open to the idea that she said that to Marcus, for whatever reason (scare him, attention, etc.) As far as her friends knowing that she might be suicidal, statistics show that most people don't know their loved ones are in that frame of mind. It usually comes as quite a shock.

If she was dating someone and had moved on...why didn't she see him that weekend. Neither Friday or Saturday night, from all accounts. I'm a little thin with the "moved on" part. If it's true that she got very upset about Marcus dating someone else, then she hadn't moved on. Honestly, it should have been none of her business. He didn't seem upset at all that she was seeing someone else. The emotions seem to be on her side. I just don't see that he had any motive at all.

This is a tough one because nobody seems to really have any motive enough to murder her:shrug:

I'd be looking further into the kid who tried to break down the door...he seems a more likely candidate to me. But somebody who is immature enough to be beating on her door...would he be smart enough to pull this off?

TN_Profiler

11-08-2005, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by crazyhorse
MURDERSHEWROTE: that was a good post. It certainly has taken my mind down another avenue (one I think I have been avoiding and needed a push, thnx!) I do not think you are victim bashing, certainly stated some very good points. Just because one is beautiful doesnt mean they 'fall' into thier perfect and desired relationships. Who REALLY knows what goes on inside another person's mind....some people really do appear stable and to "have it all" but in reality, thier lives are a complete farce. I truly hate the fact that something bad has happened to TG whether it be by her own accord or by someone else. But I think foul play is involved, just my opinion from the facts that are known.

You can sign me up for the "foul play" scenario too. I have ruled out suicide because those people who chose to end it all do not go out of their way to hide the act. While I fully agree that you can never be sure how stable a person is by looking at them (Jennifer Wilbanks was perceived as stable before she bolted) you can use some logic to establish probabilities.

I think the this case has some premeditation strictly from the lack of evidence. Just as LE gets better at solving crimes with science .... perps are getting more knowledgeable about covering their tracks too. The latex glove is something that tells me this is not "heat of the moment" stuff. Who wears latex gloves during the commission of a crime? A person who has planned out a crime and who has knowledge of transfer evidence. The clinical nature of her nightly ritual would have been easy to figure out. She was apparently very patterened and that, in itself, can make her an easy target.

Stranger or known assailant? At this point I am not sure what to think. Logically you would think without a forced entry or sign of struggle, this would mean a known person was there. Also, the type of town indicates it was more likely to involve someone from the area rather than a complete outsider since the town is rather isolated from any major city or highway system.

Judging from the dog, I would not expect to hear a fight occurred inside her dwelling. The dog would have likely bit the perp.

I'm leaning towards two scenarios:

1. she knew her assailant (left willingly)
2. her assailant had a gun, which makes leaving quietly a possibility.

I'm struggling with motive, which really works against the known assailant angle. So far it just doesn't appear anyone had a real good reason to seriously harm her.

crazyhorse

11-08-2005, 02:58 PM

I think someone did harm TG. I do not think TG purposefully harmed herself in any way. But murdershewrote just got me thinking in a different direction. There might be some things in TG's life that people close to her know nothing about. It might take better investigating on LE's part to find these things out. This is just my speculation..........but it is not that hard to live a double life or keep a troubled life secret for a very short time, its just that the longer the 'act' goes on, the harder it is to hide.

Truthfully, I do not think this is the case with TG. I think she is exactly what she appears to be and she is hiding nothing. I might be wrong, I hope not.

I honestly think that someone is responsible for TG's disappearence. I wish LE would solve this soon. Her poor family!

starling

11-08-2005, 07:37 PM

Well, Mr Marcus troubles me
that 'Tara knocking on his door & if she finds out he is dating someone else, she'll commit suicide'. Seems like ol' Marcus just threw *that* in pretty up front in the GVS interview. From past observation, the perp always can paint it anyway he likes.. as the missing person is never going to show up to tell it different!
Plus he looks unhappy, cold, in all the pictures with her . A lot of control (with his back to the camera) was my impression last night...as we heard how his life is all planned out right down to a nat's fanny.

Never said he hopes she is alright either. I could be wrong.
Bad feeling. JMO

joanne

11-08-2005, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by starling
Well, Mr Marcus troubles me
that 'Tara knocking on his door & if she finds out he is dating someone else, she'll commit suicide'. Seems like ol' Marcus just threw *that* in pretty up front in the GVS interview. From past observation, the perp always can paint it anyway he likes.. as the missing person is never going to show up to tell it different!
Plus he looks unhappy, cold, in all the pictures with her . A lot of control (with his back to the camera) was my impression last night...as we heard how his life is all planned out right down to a nat's fanny.

Never said he hopes she is alright either. I could be wrong.
Bad feeling. JMO

Just for the record......
Marcus has personally told many of his friends this before, it is nothing new, it is just newly on TV. And those of us close to the situation or the people know and have known for a good deal of time that Marcus has had a difficult time let her go gently as to not upset Tara.
Marcus's control as you put it is to protect himself from people like you who don't know either one of them or the situation that has been taking place the past year. He is not stupid and he realizes that this is a bad situation, he needs to protect himself, his job, his fam, all the while still trying to help in the investigation. He does truley pray that she is okay somewhere and all of this has an explaination that we have not yet found. Just because he composed himself does not mean that this has not completely knocked him over.

starling

11-08-2005, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by joanne

<snip>
Marcus's control as you put it is to protect himself from people like you who don't know either one of them or the situation that has been taking place the past year.

welcome to the CTV boards
I am not directing my thoughts or my opinions to YOU
..so knock off the "people like you" please or put me on ignore

thanks
~S

Babes

11-08-2005, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by starling

welcome to the CTV boards
I am not directing my thoughts or my opinions to YOU
..so knock off the "people like you" please or put me on ignore

thanks
~S

:beer: :D

Researcher

11-09-2005, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by kvickers
Two things:

One, will everyone please get it straight that Anthony was not trying to break down the door? He was knocking--call it beating if you want--but he was not trying to break in.

Secondly, Marcus didn't make any revelations last night. Everything he said has been said before, just not on national TV. So, no, he didn't just make that up.

Hi, kvickers. Although Anthony may not have been "trying to break down the door", there was something he was doing that seems to have alarmed Tara enough that police were reportedly called and he was arrested...even though a restraining order wasn't placed. So it was something more than "just knocking"...yes?

crazyhorse

11-09-2005, 08:25 AM

"welcome to the CTV boards
I am not directing my thoughts or my opinions to YOU
..so knock off the "people like you" please or put me on ignore

thanks
~S "

:beer:

fight4right

11-09-2005, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by kvickers
I'm sure there was. However, there is a LOT of information about that incident that has not been made public. I have a feeling it's only a matter of time before more information comes out, but for now, suffice it to say that no one on this board or any other board knows the whole story behind this it.

A judge doesn't just willy/nilly sign off on a restraining order. Nancy Grace reported last night that Tara had one on Anthony.

Why don't you quit playing games and if there is more to the story that will make Anthony look a little better here, or even better, HELP ELIMINATE him in what could have happened to Tara, we would be really appreciative in hearing that.

crazyhorse

11-09-2005, 11:46 AM

KVICKERS-we are just amatuer slueths going over what (usually very little) little evidence we know, so if you can contribute, please kindly contribute, but dont bash people for thier opinion and thier speculation. Thank YOU!

dalma3604

11-09-2005, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by kvickers
How exactly am I bashing? I am clearing up misinformation. What's the point of discussing and/or speculating on information that is incorrect?

Or isn't anyone here concerned with the truth?

Yes, we all want to know the truth, IMO. That's why I come here and read every day.

Don't let the speculation get to you. I've heard the Horowitz board is terrible about bashing the victim, suspect and other posters.

You may want to use the ignore feature in the future.

joanne

11-17-2005, 04:27 PM

After reading and re-reading the past posts we need to clarify that correcting misinformation does not equal "bashing". Think of it as constructive criticism and move on with the new correct information.
By the way on Talk tara.com someone said that Tara called the cops, but the neighbors called first, but the report had said that he was knocking loudly and calling her name. -Don't know if that helps or not, because I can't say if it is fact or not. Someone who knew both parties had posted the information.

longcoolwoman

11-17-2005, 04:59 PM

Thanks, Joanne. It's me, kvickers. I had to re-register because my other username was banned yesterday. No explanation, no warning, just banned and my last post removed.

For those of you who think there is free speech in this country, think again. There is no free speech on CourtTV.

It's 4:58 p.m. EST where I am. Let's see how long this post stays up.

FYI, it's my understanding the neighbors called the police.

Originally posted by joanne
After reading and re-reading the past posts we need to clarify that correcting misinformation does not equal "bashing". Think of it as constructive criticism and move on with the new correct information.
By the way on Talk tara.com someone said that Tara called the cops, but the neighbors called first, but the report had said that he was knocking loudly and calling her name. -Don't know if that helps or not, because I can't say if it is fact or not. Someone who knew both parties had posted the information.

jagstar58

11-22-2005, 06:19 AM

Hi, I am amazed at the lack of coverage on Tara. She is an asset to our community as a school teacher and it saddens me to see her get overlooked.

I have written several letters to Fox along with my colleagues asking for better coverage.

Let's hope tonight is the beginning of some more pressure from the media.:flamemad:

It really angers me to see her simply dismissed by the media right now. Thanks to Marylin for keeping things going when she can and as always for all organizations who are helping to get the word out. :rose:

Stray Cat

11-30-2005, 12:24 AM

Research --

Thanks for all the great info. on the Greta interview. Seems like we're not hearing as much about Tara on the news as we did a few weeks ago. I hope they continue to keep us informed. Nancy Grace seems to be the greatest source of info. about this case.

I agree with the posters who've said they don't believe she committed suicide.

Yes, you never really know what's going on in someone else's mind, but she didn't sound at all depressed. She sounded like someone who had an active, postive and full life. Sounds like she had plenty to live for.

I find it hard to believe that someone would help out at a beauty pageant, have dinner with friends, then go off and kill themselves.

I also agree that people who commit suicide usually want to be found. Often they will make one or two attempts before they actually succeed.

So, I think the whole suicide theory is pretty shaky.

I definately think the police should take a long hard look at the previous boyfried (Marcus) as well as the kid who was pounding on her door at night and calling her name (how many kids in their right minds would go to a teacher's house and do something like that???).

But they should also check out any known sex offenders in the area too.

The last I heard from the Nancy Grace show, it sounds like the police have done little to investigate this case. They still haven't talked to any of the people she knew at the college where she was taking classes!

Babes

11-30-2005, 04:01 AM

IMO if GBI or LE will not release anything then i would think this case might even go nowhere till they found her.

I wonder how come they havent release the information on the gloves and shirt they found. Forensic test on these 2 shouldnt take that long

NancynNC

11-30-2005, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Babes
IMO if GBI or LE will not release anything then i would think this case might even go nowhere till they found her.

I wonder how come they havent release the information on the gloves and shirt they found. Forensic test on these 2 shouldnt take that long

I have read that the shirt was not hers. They said that a few days after it was found. But the gloves are no longer mentioned.
It bothers me that Tara's sister has not heard from the GBI since week one.

mooloo

11-30-2005, 06:57 PM

Does anyone ever think maybe everything is winding down? Maybe that is best? Let the students get back to normal and move on?

Just curious....

Originally posted by Stray Cat
Research --

Thanks for all the great info. on the Greta interview. Seems like we're not hearing as much about Tara on the news as we did a few weeks ago. I hope they continue to keep us informed. Nancy Grace seems to be the greatest source of info. about this case.

I agree with the posters who've said they don't believe she committed suicide.

Yes, you never really know what's going on in someone else's mind, but she didn't sound at all depressed. She sounded like someone who had an active, postive and full life. Sounds like she had plenty to live for.

I find it hard to believe that someone would help out at a beauty pageant, have dinner with friends, then go off and kill themselves.

I also agree that people who commit suicide usually want to be found. Often they will make one or two attempts before they actually succeed.

So, I think the whole suicide theory is pretty shaky.

I definately think the police should take a long hard look at the previous boyfried (Marcus) as well as the kid who was pounding on her door at night and calling her name (how many kids in their right minds would go to a teacher's house and do something like that???).

But they should also check out any known sex offenders in the area too.

The last I heard from the Nancy Grace show, it sounds like the police have done little to investigate this case. They still haven't talked to any of the people she knew at the college where she was taking classes!

ladyheartfixer

11-30-2005, 10:54 PM

so if we close our eyes and let the kids get back to normal we can pretend like nothing ever happened? The kids will go along thinking she just never existed? Isn't that like hiding one's head in the sand so you don't see the boogey man coming?

Luckys_Wife

12-01-2005, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by mooloo
Does anyone ever think maybe everything is winding down? Maybe that is best? Let the students get back to normal and move on?

Just curious....

Mooloo- If it were your child that went missing...would you still believe it would be best to just move on?? I know if it were my child I would go to the end of the earth and do whatever I had to do to find one of my offspring. I realize that Tara was a grown woman...but please keep in mind..she is also someones child!!
And I say we stop looking when she is found! Not one minute sooner

Babes

12-01-2005, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by mooloo
Does anyone ever think maybe everything is winding down? Maybe that is best? Let the students get back to normal and move on?

Just curious....

:rolleyes:

IMO Think before you post.
I am wondering what's your real intention

:rolleyes:

mrman

12-01-2005, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Luckys_Wife

Mooloo- If it were your child that went missing...would you still believe it would be best to just move on?? I know if it were my child I would go to the end of the earth and do whatever I had to do to find one of my offspring. I realize that Tara was a grown woman...but please keep in mind..she is also someones child!!
And I say we stop looking when she is found! Not one minute sooner

Go to the Natalee Holloway board and tell those people that. They constantly berate Beth Twitty for doing this exact thing.

Oh wait, that board is closed. Wonder why??????

Stray Cat

12-02-2005, 01:03 AM

Does anyone ever think maybe everything is winding down?

How can it be winding down when it hasn't even wound up yet?

From what I've heard, the police have yet to do a thorough investigation of this case.

TN_Profiler

12-02-2005, 12:47 PM

Not sure if this was discussed but did anyone think it is strange that LE had not interviewed any of Tara's classmates where she was taking night classes? I know this is a small town and resources are limited but there are basic steps in an investigation and interviewing the people in a subject/victims life are one of them. Co-workers, family, friends, etc.. all are routinely on the list of people who get questioned.

Wonder if the evidence collected so far has LE concentrating in one direction ... which would explain the lack of peripheral interviews.

:shrug:

joanne

12-02-2005, 01:35 PM

Do we know for sure that none of the people that she had as classmates have been interviewed? Maybe when they say friends, family, etc some of those people fall into one of those categories? Just asking because I don't know either way if LE has gone up there or not for sure.

TN_Profiler

12-02-2005, 03:07 PM

They had members of her class about 2 weeks ago and they all said they have never been contacted by LE. Maybe that has changed, I don't know.

The point is that weeks and weeks had gone by and no one interviewed her classmates? Weird.

Did she have a boyfriend or "interest" with another student?
Where did she go after class? Hang out or just go home?
Who did she talk to at school? Did she hang around with anyone in particular or not? What about the professors?

etc... etc....

You get the idea. How can these questions not have been asked? Sorry, it seems weird to me that this did not happen.

TN_Profiler

12-02-2005, 03:10 PM

Sorry .... I did not mention : some of her classmates were on NG. Also her sister (regular on NG) said recently that this still was not pursued. She is thinking of hiring her own detective to follow up on this and other leads.

Stray Cat

12-03-2005, 05:32 AM

TN, I heard on the Nancy Grace show (a couple of weeks ago) that the local police in Ocilla, as well as the GBI, and not yet interviewed any of Tara's classmates -- as well as many other people she knew!!!

In fact, Nancy also had another man (from Georgia!!) on her show who's daughter had gone missing. (However, he was not from Ocilla -- he resides in another town in Georgia).

Sorry, but at the moment I can't recall the man's name or the town he was from -- but his daughter had been missing for a while too. The police recovered her vehicle but that was it!

This man said he strongly suspected that his daughter's ex-husband was responsible. In fact, he said he couldn't understand why her ex hadn't been arrested, there was so much evidence (in her vehicle) that her ex had been involved.

He also expressed the same frustration with the local police and the GBI. He said he hadn't gotten any further info or feedback from them. He has now hired a private detective to help find his daughter.

So what's up with the police and the GBI down there in Georgia?

Hello!! Is anybody home? Wake up GBI and do your job!!

It's a shame to have to say this, but I'm afraid the Grinsteads may have to hire a PI if they ever want to find Tara. That's really sad because I'm sure PI's don't come cheap -- but if you're just not getting any help from the police or the GBI -- it may be your only alternative.

Ugh! I don't even know Tara Grinstead and I feel so frustrated by all of this! I can't even imagine the frustration, aggravation and sadness that her family must be feeling!

joanne

12-03-2005, 12:53 PM

The difference between that guy you are talking about and his daughter vs. this case is that he has according to your comments reason to suspect someone and has evidence. This case has come up so dry. All of the evidence is circumstancial and it seems that nothing can be linkined to anything or anyone, ie the glove, the $ in the car etc.
It is such a dry case and there are no leads. Also I think the family has hired someone to aid in the investigation who is neither local LE or GBI, but he has come up with nothing either.

NancynNC

12-04-2005, 01:30 AM

No matter how much we dissagree with it, this is still a missing persons case. Tara's house showed no force entry, no struggle, no blood. Doors were locked. A person has a right to walk away. That is what they said to us when my brother went missing. He came back after 3 months. If they find a body it will become a criminal case and the LE can do more. After the run away bride case, which they declared a criminal case after two or three days, I think that GA LE may be scared and doesn't want to appear silly. JMO

TN_Profiler

12-05-2005, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC
No matter how much we dissagree with it, this is still a missing persons case. Tara's house showed no force entry, no struggle, no blood. Doors were locked. A person has a right to walk away. That is what they said to us when my brother went missing. He came back after 3 months. If they find a body it will become a criminal case and the LE can do more. After the run away bride case, which they declared a criminal case after two or three days, I think that GA LE may be scared and doesn't want to appear silly. JMO

You bring up an interesting point. Jennifer Wilbanks has done more damage than she even knows. Instead of cashing in with book deals and movie rights ... she should spend her time trying to help LE repair the embarassment from her concocted story.

Not to get off point but why was she never arrested for blaming her "abduction" and "rape" on a Mexican couple? WTF???

As far as Tara case goes, it is dry. There is very little to go on and that must be frustrating for all involved. Sadly it seems like this case could be headed for the "cold case" list. I am holding out hope that someone finds a piece of evidence that turns this case around. I wonder if the reward is enticing anyone?

Elle_Woods

12-05-2005, 03:44 PM

I think JW made some sort of plea deal, "no contest" maybe, and that's how she ended up doing the community service.

mrman

12-05-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Elle_Woods
I think JW made some sort of plea deal, "no contest" maybe, and that's how she ended up doing the community service.

If I remember correctly, Jennifer Wilbanks had to pay back a portion of the overtime money spent on searching for her. Also, do community service which she was shown mowing a yard somewhere and also continue see a shrink.

JW did indeed do damage for missing young women and that makes me angry.

I think she should be made to look for Tara and others.

crazyhorse

12-05-2005, 09:20 PM

posted by mrman: JW did indeed do damage for missing young women and that makes me angry.

I agree 100%. JW got away with a slap on her wrist.

joanne

12-06-2005, 04:06 PM

What do you think will happen if it turns out that (minus the lying about the fake crime committed against her) tara has simply run away too. That is the way the LE, GBI, and recovery agent are looking at this. She won't be brought against any charges because it is not illegal to run away, but I am wondering how awful it will be for any other woman who actually does go missing. IMO the new reports that she has been sighted recently are definately something to think about.

TN_Profiler

12-06-2005, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by joanne
What do you think will happen if it turns out that (minus the lying about the fake crime committed against her) tara has simply run away too. That is the way the LE, GBI, and recovery agent are looking at this. She won't be brought against any charges because it is not illegal to run away, but I am wondering how awful it will be for any other woman who actually does go missing. IMO the new reports that she has been sighted recently are definately something to think about.

The notion that Tara ran away surfaced right off the bat and I think that reluctant thinking is completely the fault of Jennifer Wilbanks.

Thanks to crackpot Wilbanks there could be doubt cast upon any young woman who goes missing.

Is it possible that Tara has run away? Yes. Is it likely? Not according to her family and friends. In this case I would put that "runaway bride" mentality right were it belongs ...... in the trash.

Tara had a life much like clockwork before her disappearance ... (steady job, attending her classes, a dog to care for, etc..) I don't believe she has magically disappeared and left all of that behind. Foul play, in my opinion, is front and center in this case. Just because there isn't an obvious crime scene (forced entry, blood, bullet casings, etc..) doesn't mean an abduction or crime did not occur. Leaving money behind and not accessing bank accounts and credit cards is also an indication that she is not freelancing her way across the country ala Jennifer Wilbanks.

What I find sad is that Tara seemed to be a much nicer and genuine person than JW but has unfairly had "runaway bride" syndrom attached to her case.

fsbiii

12-06-2005, 06:33 PM

Joanne-

Did we miss another LE memo that you got and no one else did? I wasn't aware that LE, GBI, and the private eye think Tara just ran away on her own. I guess that's why the luminol'd MH's truck and, according to his stepsister's posts on findtara before its demise, got a DNA sample from him? Enlighten us more with this new information.

What do you think will happen if it turns out that (minus the lying about the fake crime committed against her) tara has simply run away too. That is the way the LE, GBI, and recovery agent are looking at this. She won't be brought against any charges because it is not illegal to run away, but I am wondering how awful it will be for any other woman who actually does go missing. IMO the new reports that she has been sighted recently are definately something to think about.

joanne

12-06-2005, 07:24 PM

"Authorities have still not determined what happened to Tara and her case officially remains a missing person's investigation. So far, authorities have found no evidence to suggest that she was kidnapped, and they have not ruled out the possibility that the young woman engineered her own disappearance or worse. She was, by all accounts, emotionally devastated "

this is from the 2nd page of the most recent article in the court tv libraries.

ldg

12-28-2005, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by joanne
[B]I am sure that Marcus was filmed from a weird angle to protect his job, image, reputation, etc.
what more can he do to clear himself?

About people thinking the statements are out of character with everything that has been said about Tara. Even the sweetest, prettiest, and most positive people fall in love and when people get hurt in love many times they say things that they don't mean and do things (like knock on a window) trying to win someone back. [/Why would she want to renew th relationship if she as Harper says broke it off. I wouldn't if i broke a relationship off I would go on with my Life. (Hello)B]:confused:

Babes

03-18-2006, 12:35 AM

How come we arent hearing anything about HD? Did he take the Poly? Is there really a truth on the 20 calls he made on Tara's cellphone the day Tara vanished? I hope someone out there can spill some info about HD .

Babes

03-18-2006, 12:41 AM

Additional question :

Is there a reality that HD is a personal friend of GBI's Dominic Turner who is in-charge of Tara's case at GBI?

Esah

03-18-2006, 08:48 AM

HD has been a friend of Tara's for many years. According to the info that has come out on him, they were not seeing each other. Just long time friends.

The 20 calls does seem a bit extreme, but maybe he was only responding to a desperate call from Tara. A good friend would keep trying to reach you if you made them think they needed to! The duration of the 20 calls would also be very important. Were they missed calls or not?

Not saying that this eludes to Tara leaving on her own at all. But perhaps she was trying to get through something very emotional that day and she knew her friend could help her.

Whether they needed to talk about her being in danger or whether it was just coincident that she needed a listening ear, can only be answered by those two.

Sure wish someone would talk!

mooloo

03-18-2006, 11:59 AM

How do you know this

Originally posted by popcorn
HD was having a relationship with her.

:

concernedperson

03-18-2006, 12:12 PM

Below is a very old National Enquirer article. It talks about HD and a possible relationship. The most obvious thing to me is that it quotes Marcus Harper's attorney but never mentions he is representing him. Or how Marcus fits into the picture. They were spinning back then. It is just clearer now.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63335

goldylocks

03-18-2006, 01:13 PM

Popcorn if you know this info. then do you know if H.D. has in fact taken a poly? If so what is the outcome?

IBC

03-18-2006, 04:07 PM

When AV pounded on T's door and was arrested by Ocilla LA, HD was in the house with T. That is why they did not open the door. The Ocilla LE officer that responded to the call was SF, who told MH (then in Iraq) about Tara and HD.

While I was not in the house nor privy to their intimacy, it has been HEAVILY suggested they had more than a friendship.

Atok

03-18-2006, 08:39 PM

Still gossip only.

For facts:

Does anyone know when he first called Tara after Saturday 11pm?

Does anyone know if it's true he tried to reach her several times?

Do we know when Tara tried to reach him last?

Did she leave a message that night?

Babes

03-19-2006, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by zip4spd
It is certainly looking as if HD knew that Tara was in immediate danger. Maybe that is the reason for all the phone calls that he is alleged to have made to her. I would assume that he did not have a key to her house and even if he did then he could have been hesitant to open her door if he felt that she was in danger. I can also see why he would not even consider calling LE to do a welfare check on Tara. IMO.

Maybe HD also contacted one of Tara's co-worker so they called LE right away on Monday ... Imagine why would the co-workers call LE right away when one person is just absent for a day and didnt show up....

mooloo

03-19-2006, 09:02 AM

Because if a teacher doesn't show up and has no sub and has not notified school people, it is EXTREMELY strange. Unlike people who work in offices and such, a teacher has children that must be supervised. Teachers can't just not come in, they have to make prior arrangements. Okay, let me rephrase that. Dedicated teachers (which Tara was) can't do that. There are some that do that, but they are few and far between. Tara would NOT have done that---be a no show without notifying her principal or some school personnel.

Originally posted by Babes

Maybe HD also contacted one of Tara's co-worker so they called LE right away on Monday ... Imagine why would the co-workers call LE right away when one person is just absent for a day and didnt show up....

Saunterer

03-19-2006, 09:20 AM

NancyNC posted this under the "Links" thread:

http://www.findtara.com/

Released 3.19.06: Dr. Maurice Godwin has provided the following statement after his recent visit. A complete report will be posted soon. Please check back.

"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house.

HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."

Aussie

03-19-2006, 05:37 PM

Hi, i am new to this board and live in Australia. After reading these threads for several weeks, i feel like this whole thing with HD will blow this case right open.
I can't remember reading anywhere if HD has established a solid alibi for the Sat night / Sun Morn when Tara seems to have gone missing.
It is certainly true that there has not been much said about HD from any of the parties concerned with the case, yet the spotlight has now been thrown on him. Is it possible that making 20 calls to Tara on the Sunday and then driving a long distance to her home could possibly have been done to cover something that may of happened the previous night? Some people get involved in things to try to take the suspicion off themselves. It may be very hard for the family to even think on this level because of the long friendship etc. but that is not unusual with crime.
Does HD own or have access to a pickup truck?
Was one of the calls to Tara on Sat night from him?
How tall is he in relation to where Tara's car seat was placed?
Maybe Tara willingly went somewhere with him on Sat night and let him drive, they may have come home in the car and then something happened after that. Maybe her car was never used at all and it is just a red herring. As long as the family does not let this go cold it will be solved and not in the too distant future.
I would be interested to hear Sam the Super Cops take on current developments.

White Dove

03-19-2006, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Candace

W/C to the boards, Aussie...You posted great insight, and thought provoking statements...I think HD knew, and possibly involved, but I think MH knows more than he's saying too. Frankly, I think most guys in question are taller than Tara's 5'2, or 3, and would have pushed the seat back. Pickups are big in small southern towns, so it's possible HD drove one...Maybe someone will have info on this...

IMO

Hiya Candace:seeya:
I hope they find Tara!!!!:rose:

White Dove

03-19-2006, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Candace

I have an eerie feeling she will be found this week..ESP maybe? :seeya: It's a good thought anyway.

Just have to wait an see! I hope your feeling comes true!

Babes

03-20-2006, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Candace

Hey babes, where's the thread about a threat on Godwin? TIA

Here:
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=258881

Babes

03-20-2006, 12:56 AM

Did HD take any POLY test?

Where is he between Saturday night and Sunday?

Did he and MH cross path somewhere between Saturday and Sunday?

Babes

03-20-2006, 01:52 AM

Friday, November 4 probably saw one of the more dramatic developments to date in the ongoing search for Tara Grinstead — in an interview with CBS anchor for "The Early Show," Hannah Storm, Anita Gattis revealed that though Grinstead had sought to re-unite with former love Marcus Harper, they had fought prior to Tara's disappearance:

"They had had a very bad argument, I just found out, several days before she went missing, concerning an 18-year-old that he was dating. My sister did not think that (the 18-year-old's) parents would approve of a 30-year-old dating an 18-year-old. I'm told that she threatened to tell the parents, and they had a very heated argument over this."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0702_tara_grinstead_argued_with_boyfriend2.html

Can anyone confirm this story?
I knew that we discussed this before but up to now no one can confirm if there is a reality on this information provided by Anita Gattis.

suzee

03-20-2006, 11:33 AM

MH did take a poly and the results were released to the GBI along with the vidoe tape of the POLY. The POLY was originally scheduled when MH's attorney was in court. IN stead of waiting 2-3 weeks for another scheduled poly, a poly was scheduled ASAP, per MH and his attorney's request. Go to the interview of Greta when Mr. PuJadas and MH were interviewed.
NO QUESTIONS recieved any deceptive answers. A poly is not pass or fail. The pass or fail I believe is directed to the question that was asked. Just like when Mr. GAttis reported on national t.v he failed the question regarding having an affair with Tara.
The only reports being made on the TV gossip Talk shows are from members of the Gattis family. They have made no mention of (or little) of any person other than MH.
The LE, GBI, and all others involved EXCEPT for the people HIRED by LG and AG ARE continuing to investigate ALL avenues and interviewing new people and re-interviewing people everyday. IMOO They have been stepping on all toes in this little community. You don't see them on National TV programs or on trash talk TV, but give them some credit. Do we honestly belive everyone in this investigation is guilty, dirty, and participating in a cover up except Land A?
As for HD, some of the locals knew of him. They saw him around, saw his car, and are just as curious to his alibi and his whereabouts. For those who truly believe in the justice system, as do I, we must continue to have faith in the system and believe the truth will begin unraveling. Hope is still out there for the safe return of Tara and her students wait for her return each day. Most in Ocilla, have turned away from the discussion boards and trash TV due to the irregularities in the stories and FACTS that are misinterpreted. Her picture still lingers on store windows, and her banner hangs high above the Police Station where officers and Deputies try their hardest to follow up on EVERY lead.
We are all entitled to our opinions, just please keep in mind, the majority of the opinions are just that OPINIONS.
Don't you honestly think, that the FBI or other agencies would have looked more into this case if LE, GBI, Texas Equisearch and everyone except those HIRED by others were really corrupt? This is just a thought to ponder.

fsbiii

03-20-2006, 11:45 AM

Suzee-

Trust me, the GBI wouldn't have taken 2-3 weeks to polygraph Harper. You can divert that however you see fit, but the truth is--Harper and Pujadas leaped at the opportunity to have a "time conflict" so they could have the private one done and video'd for submission. You have your client take a private one when you don't know if he'll pass the government's. Ask any lawyer. Also, if they fail it, no one knows. You set the time, you set the surroundings. When they pass it, the GBI gets a courtesy copy. End of story.

The locals who want to help online still post. The stepsisters of Harper, his LE buddies, and the close friends--most of them have stopped because they saw it was getting them nowhere. And I did say "most" of them. I think even the spouse of the LE investigator has stopped posting on the boards defending Harper. Not sure on that yet.

I remember your posts from the very first forum, actually still have them in front of me. Defend him all you want, but the truth is tightening up.

Atok

03-20-2006, 12:07 PM

Just becuase MH took a poly on his own time is NO REASON to never get around to taking a poly on gov't time.

The ONLY reason to avoid it is on advice of attorney who has fear their client might fail the pertinent questions.

LG took several poly's. All under the "sweating bullets" conditions that I believe MH should be subjected to as well.

His private version is worse than worthless in his defense to me.
As a prosecutor I would have a field day with him.

Anyway this is a thread about HD, sorry for assisting tin the derailing.

I do not know if HD was subjected to a poly test or not in their investigation of his alibi and whereabouts, but apparently he had nothing for them to move further on that has been made public.

sweettater

03-20-2006, 02:52 PM

It has bothered me for months that HD was supposedly worried enough to call and leave 20+ messages and even drive all the way from his town to Tara's and then just leave without getting in one way or another to check on her. It just does not add up in my opinion. Also why would he leave his card in her door? The card, calling her mother from Tara's and the extreme # of messages seem a little overkill to me. Seems to say "look at how worried I was and everything I did to try to get in touch with her". But then he just leaves??? Maybe it's just me but I find this to be way bizarre. (Shakes head in bewilderment) JMO

NancynNC

03-20-2006, 03:10 PM

Atok

03-20-2006, 03:28 PM

HD is LE and he was looking around the area of her home when he became worried. Wouldn't it be habit be to don some gloves and protect the scene?

Did HD say he wasn't carrying any on him, and didn't don any when he wandered about looking for her outside the residence?

Are we absolutely convinced HD didn't drop a glove himself, climbing in or out of his vehicle? Does he have them in his vehicle?

Do LE's sometimes leave their card when they go to a scene and the people they are trying to reach aren't responding to calls? That is why I can see him putting his card there. It identifies he came to the door before any official other people came, right?

When the house was opened by the first responding Officers, HD's cards were still in place?

westchester

03-20-2006, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by sweettater
It has bothered me for months that HD was supposedly worried enough to call and leave 20+ messages and even drive all the way from his town to Tara's and then just leave without getting in one way or another to check on her. It just does not add up in my opinion. Also why would he leave his card in her door? The card, calling her mother from Tara's and the extreme # of messages seem a little overkill to me. Seems to say "look at how worried I was and everything I did to try to get in touch with her". But then he just leaves??? Maybe it's just me but I find this to be way bizarre. (Shakes head in bewilderment) JMO

I haven't been following this case at all...mostly because of my own time limitations. I have been following the Imette case and the Entwistle case from day 1. Followed every minute of Westerfield, Petersen, Petersen, and Hacking.

I read the first few links on Tara's bio, beauty queen, teacher ,ex-boy friend cop,etc. I read the death threat thread re beauty pagent/ dinner disappearance time frame, and the new thread where family mounts own search on 100 acres and are blocked by local police.

My opinion, the ex boyfriend,ex Ocilla cop is the murderer.
The local police, for whatever reason impeded the investigation, probably protecting their own, and or are worried a "scandel" will
uncover nefarious activities.

I think the ex-boyfriend, ex cop, murdered her in a rage when she threatened to expose him re 18 year old girl and go to her parents. Maybe ex-cop was "mixed-up" with other town "officials"
who were also swinging with "young chippies"

If Tara blew the lid on this situation with her ex and the 18 year old , maybe others would be exposed doing the same thing. Maybe that is why local police obfuscated and impeded any initial investigation....they were protecting someone or something..without knowing exactly WHO murdered Tara.

I'm sure there are unknown areas, and I have read 10% of the info here, but that is my impression.
Lest anyone acuse me of "making a snap" decision, you are right.

I "knew from story line day 1" that Petersen killed his wife and didn't go fishing, Petersen beat his wife to death on the stairs, Hacking murdered his wife, and Westerfield was guilty as soon as I saw that video of him and the detectives in front of his house .

This case has less evidence and has been hindered, locked by GA locals and police, so it may never get solved or go to trial with a real suspect. Very sad.

sophiafox

03-21-2006, 04:32 AM

who was possibly involved with a missing woman I wouldnt say anything either! Her parents have probrably ended any relationship that was once there (be it true or in just someones mind)

Actually at that age her parents couldn't do anything other than kick her out of their house. Not pay for college, take away the car, not pay for her gas, insurance.

fsbiii

03-21-2006, 08:53 AM

Let's try to rehash what was actually said & posted and see if we can figure out something on this.

Anita claims, as stated in this thread, that Tara knew Marcus was seeing an 18 year old.

Some of Harper's supporters on a prior board were very open about this girl and said SHE had emailed Marcus a few times and he was not interested. We've heard that Tara may have been seeing these emails, too.

We have not heard Marcus or his lawyer say anything on the issue. We have not heard the 18 year old say anything on the issue. We have not heard Tara say anything on the issue.

It's more "who do you believe" - and that isn't proof of anything. Unless someone else can verify they dated, went out, had relations, or whatever - I keep this in the "who knows really" pile.

shelock

03-21-2006, 11:20 AM

Could this 18 year old gal be the former student that picked up "Fido" Sunday?

Atok

03-21-2006, 11:56 AM

If MH is guilty he has nothing to gain from taking a GBI administered poly.

Again this is supposed to be an HD thread not an MH thread.

Did HD submit to a poly?

benhill29

03-21-2006, 01:30 PM

I am new to this board but I just wanted to say as a member of the community in question that outsiders are a lot more honest and forthcoming than even those involved in trying to solve this case. My heart goes out to Tara's family. The rumor mill is not kind in our "little peyton place" and I truly hope that this crime, and I do believe that a crime has been committed, doesn't fall into the same category with the other numerous murders/crimes that our LE seems to forget occurred. For those of you not familiar with our area of south ga, we seem to have a little problem with taking care of business when it comes to doing the right and honorable thing. The good old boy network was founded right here I do believe. I will continue to read with great interest the boards because I have learned more from all of you than our local papers even attempt to cover.
For those of you who are super sleuthing it....more power to you. I am so glad that you are doing so because our LE likes to look the other way....especially if they are the least bit involved with any one that may be associated with the particular situation...and I actually have relatives who are involved in this investigation and I learn more from you than we do from our own.

BevAnn

03-21-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Ocillian
"Why haven't we heard anything about this g/f??? "

Because that was a lie.

Ocillian, it's posts like this that really make me question your authenticity. I mean, you seem to have this smug, I know every thing about this case, but can't tell you, attitude in your posts. Which if you DO, then GREAT, but please follow up your statements, which you state as factual, with either links to support, or claim that they are in your opinion, so that it is easier for us layman to track facts on this case. Please and thank you.

Bev Ann

Bnutty

03-21-2006, 01:55 PM

NancynNC

03-21-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Ocillian
"Why haven't we heard anything about this g/f??? "

Because that was a lie.

The only one that can say for sure that it is a lie is MH.

NancynNC

03-21-2006, 02:22 PM

When Tara saw MH on Oct. 14th he said,
snipped from Greta interview:

HARPER: She approached me crying. She was very irrational. And she told me that if she found out I was dating someone, she would commit suicide.

He did not say someone else or other girls, he said "someone".
Almost like he is pinpointing a name.

Anita has said she found out about MH dating the 18 year old several days before Tara went missing. This fits the time table.
They had moved on from their relationship, she was dating and surely he was too. Why would Tara get so upset about this particular girl? Is she close to Tara? Tara close to her parents?
Tara picking a fight?

concernedperson

03-21-2006, 02:31 PM

Nancy, this is the point. Maybe he was lying about the reason for the Oct. 14th visit. Maybe it had more to do with HIM calling Tara names and who she might be dating vs. her interest in who he was dating.

Most indications to me is that she was moving on. He seemed to be the one having a problem truly letting go.

NancynNC

03-21-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Sassy
Could Tara have worked out at the same gym and knew this person....I remember a post about a bag in her car with neatly folded workout clothing inside? Did I dream this or what???

You are so on top of it!!
I had forgot. Is this the gym they went to?

Irwin County Fitness
(229) 468-7990
121 N Cherry St # A
Ocilla, GA 31774

It is very close.

Bnutty

03-21-2006, 03:11 PM

My only question is if Tara thought that there was any reason for her to need "protection" from someone, why was HD the only person that was informed about it? Why didn't she let her family know that she was afraid? I just think that it is rather convenient that AG says that HD was at Tara's house at all hours of the night on different occasions simply b/c he felt that she was in danger of some sort. Why didn't Tara mention this to anyone why not a family member?

Bnutty

03-21-2006, 03:19 PM

Sassy-
but nothing was mentioned. When co-workers and friends close to Tara were questioned, they said that she was acting completely normal and that she seemed to be happy. If she had mentioned worry to anyone, they would have said so.

Bnutty

03-21-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Ocillian
If there's evidence putting HD around Tara's house at odd times and evidence showing a sort of "overkill of worry" by HD but yet there is no evidence putting any other of the mentioned ppl in the area at those times, why is there not more pressure put on HD? IMO it seems obvious to me.

Yeah, it seems obvious to a good number of people. I'm with you Ocillian.

Bnutty

03-21-2006, 03:47 PM

Sassy-
You are right no one that I have talked with know for sure what type of questioning has been done or if pressure has been put on HD. Maybe they have put pressure on him, maybe not. I think what most people are wondering is why has AV and MH been splashed and branded all over the news but nothing has really been mentioned about HD that we can remember. When the America's most wanted aired a few months ago, stories about MH and then the prime story about AV was told on t.v., but during the story about AV banging on her door and the authorities being called nothing was mentioned about the fact the HD was in Tara's house at the time. It just isn't right.

Bnutty

03-21-2006, 04:07 PM

He was indeed there at Tara's house that night. That is in fact why AV got so angry and was banging on her door, b/c AV spotted HD's vehicle.

goldylocks

03-21-2006, 04:30 PM

Bnutty did he think something was going on between the two of them or was he mad because he had the crush on Tara?

BevAnn

03-21-2006, 04:46 PM

I thought this quote from our own Hot Water, not 3 hours ago, bears repeating :

"Can my opinion be defamatory?
No — but merely labeling a statement as your "opinion" does not make it so. Courts look at whether a reasonable reader or listener could understand the statement as asserting a statement of verifiable fact. (A verifiable fact is one capable of being proven true or false.) This is determined in light of the context of the statement. A few courts have said that statements made in the context of an Internet bulletin board or chat room are highly likely to be opinions or hyperbole, but they do look at the remark in context to see if it's likely to be seen as a true, even if controversial, opinion ("I really hate George Lucas' new movie") rather than an assertion of fact dressed up as an opinion ("It's my opinion that Trinity is the hacker who broke into the IRS database").
You can't link a conversation, either one two people have had or one you've heard on TV. We have families and friends of many on boards who "tell" many personal things. How can they link or how can we prove it is impossible. Rules were signed when they became members. If any of what they type or tell is untrue THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for any actions taken against them if there should be.
It is your decision to believe or not to believe what is not "quoted" or not from an article."

Thank you Hot Water for reminding us - I tend to look for links to confirm info, if one is not supplied, I take it as general gossip.

But that's just how I do it. Ocillian I apologize - maybe I'm wrong to suspect the truth of your posts....but since they are personal observations, it does make sense you have no way of verifying...however, you can see why those of us on the "outside" of your hometown are not sure who to believe anymore.

Bev Ann

Bnutty

03-21-2006, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by goldylocks
Bnutty did he think something was going on between the two of them or was he mad because he had the crush on Tara?

I wouldn't be able to answer that with 100% confidence. I would hope that nothing was going on between her and AV but he says otherwise. I know that rumors are just that, rumors. But b-4 Tara went missing, people in Ocilla were talking about the possibility about something going on b/t the two of them, even before AV went to her house on that infamous night.

goldylocks

03-21-2006, 04:53 PM

Thank you for your reply.

NancynNC

03-21-2006, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Bnutty

I wouldn't be able to answer that with 100% confidence. I would hope that nothing was going on between her and AV but he says otherwise. I know that rumors are just that, rumors. But b-4 Tara went missing, people in Ocilla were talking about the possibility about something going on b/t the two of them, even before AV went to her house on that infamous night.

Do you have a date for this arrest? It may be on here somewhere and I have missed it. TIA

Atok

03-21-2006, 05:39 PM

What arrest?

NancynNC

03-21-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Atok
What arrest?

The AV arrest for disturbing the peace?

Lawdog

03-21-2006, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by sophiafox
who was possibly involved with a missing woman I wouldnt say anything either! Her parents have probrably ended any relationship that was once there (be it true or in just someones mind)

Actually at that age her parents couldn't do anything other than kick her out of their house. Not pay for college, take away the car, not pay for her gas, insurance.

You have forgotten one thought...some parents just don't care...

BorderCollieMom

03-22-2006, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty
I am not "protecting" him, I am simply posting the information that I know so that maybe people would stop talking about the false stuff.
I just don't understand why people don't point the finger a little more towards LG, he is in fact the person that lied on the poly about having an affair with Tara. AG has really tried to turn this town upside down and I don't expect everyone to understand that but if you lived here you would see it first hand. All of this junk about the LE "covering up" for MH is only to take the spot light off of her husband.

Please understand Bnutty....how do us non locals that know that everything locasl posts are TRUTH ? Are those posters who are cautious in believing just suppose to take everything (TIDBITS) as gospel ?
Anyone could come on here and say they live there and start posting all kinds of stuff (no offence to you)...is everyone suppose to believe everything they would post ?
Some of us DONT LIVE THERE so we cant see it "first hand".

IMO, if your a local -----create a new nic , and SPILL it ...every detail you know. Otherwise, you cant blame some us for being cautious.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Candace

He's a friend of MH.

I can tell :seeya:

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:21 AM

Tara's necklace wasn't found for days. Seems like the GBI did a hasty job of searching.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC
Tara's necklace wasn't found for days. Seems like the GBI did a hasty job of searching.

Since local LE was there first , i wonder if there is some "cleaning" done before GBI arrives. Or probably GBI just took evidences gathered by local LE?

BorderCollieMom

03-22-2006, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Candace

He's a friend of MH.

so how many miles is it to Taras home from bnuttys ? lol

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

The GBI looked at that stuff but just didn't release all of their information but now that AG has her own investigator working on this, she is placing all of the info in the news. And tape like that surely does stick again.

IMO Anita is trying to keep this search going. The media is so fickle that they will not cover it if something new is not put out. That is why she is telling everything.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by Candace

My detective mind at work..hee hee

he he he check your pm :D

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom

so how many miles is it to Taras home from bnuttys ? lol

bnutty may be sitting up there in the police station.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Sassy

It was ridiculous....you must secure a crime scene....immediately....and have everyone who enters sign in and out.......BUT......you see.....local LE did not think it was a crime scene......they just thought Tara had gone away for a few days.....crudola......if the neighbors, bless their hearts, had not gone in and straightened up, there possibly could have been other clues that a struggle took place......but no one wanted to believe she had been harmed......sad...sad...too late now....

If they just think that Tara just left then why do they contacted GBI on the first day that Tara was reported missing.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Babes

If they just think that Tara just left then why do they contacted GBI on the first day that Tara was reported missing.

That is a great question!!

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

bnutty may be sitting up there in the police station.

:lol: :biggrin:

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

yeah that is exactly where I am and it is so much fun.

I thought so, I had to look up a 411.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Who says that they didn't, just because they didn't plaster all of their finding on the news doesn't mean that they didn't find anything.

If the GBI had found one drop of blood in that house or car, it would have been declared a criminal case right then.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Sassy

Did they???? I don't know when they contacted them....if so, why didn't they secure the crime scene?????

Did they even take a camera and photograph the interior....Greta took great pictures but days after the actual fact......

GBI is involved since day 1 Tara was reported missing according to an earlier news.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Who says that they didn't, just because they didn't plaster all of their finding on the news doesn't mean that they didn't find anything.

and how did you know that they did?

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

If the GBI had found one drop of blood in that house or car, it would have been declared a criminal case right then.

Right.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by Sassy

Day 1....being Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday??????

There were people in and out of her home all day on Monday!!!

It was stated before on the news that GBI are involved since Day 1, which is Monday. They even said that the entire community is involved in looking for her. It was said that local LE may not have enough resources to look for her so GBI was called immediately.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:47 AM

From CTV Library:

The reason GBI was called in was because of Harper and HD's association with LE according to Chief Hancock. Vickers familie's large rural property was searched and nothing found.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Not exactly because Godwin never confirmed it was blood on the floor, only that it could be. And also if it were from someone who was known to be in the house before: AV, HD, MH, LG then they couldn't arrest someone just on that.

Unfortunately they dont need to confirm it immediately if it is the right blood ......as long as they see a blood they have to secure the area because it might be a possible crime scene. The testing of the blood will take days to months and not until they confirm it is the wrong blood then they have to secure the area.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Not exactly because Godwin never confirmed it was blood on the floor, only that it could be. And also if it were from someone who was known to be in the house before: AV, HD, MH, LG then they couldn't arrest someone just on that.

This is a missing person case. There did not have to be an arrest, it could have been a drop of Tara's blood, changing it to a criminal case.
We do not know what it was that Godwin found, I was talking about the GBI search.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Candace

IIRC they can test old blood and get an accurate test.

yes they can but it will take days to months to get an answer. Local LE will not do the test. It will be submitted to GBI to perform test on it.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

They performed DNA swabbing and still won't admit a crime has been committed??? Very strange!
I am sure glad you are so privy to such useful information considering the people who live in this community are still waiting to hear that the LE believe that a crime has been committed.
Wow....DNA swabbing with no crime committed....I am sorry to be so sarcastic but come on.

LG said on TV he was asked for DNA around Thanksgiving.

Babes

03-22-2006, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

I was also talking about the GBI search. If it wasn't Tara's blood but indeed someone elses, that isn't grounds to call it a criminal case. Especially if the blood is the same as people who have been there numerous times. If I am wrong please correct, but I sure haven't heard of making it a criminal case if you find blood other than that of the "victim".

Sorry but you cannot identify the owner of the blood on the first day of the investigation. It doesnt matter whose blood it is, as long as they found a blood and there is a missing person then they needed to secure the place.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 02:02 AM

I asked this question today and got no answer, so since everyone LOL is here, I will try again.
What was the date of the arrest of AV when he was banging on Tara's door? Was it long ago?

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

The place was secure when the GBI got there, unfortunately a couple of neighbors were around and a few people from the school system were also there before the GBI arrived. And I know that they cannot identify blood on the first day.

The place was secured? Really?

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

No I just really like Law and Order;)

Try Court Tv... they have good episodes on forensic files. :)

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

No I just really like Law and Order;)

My favorite!!

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by benhill29
I have been under the impression that the scene was not secure based on several articles about whether or not someone else fed her cat after going into her house, etc. I don't believe the crime scene was secure based on what I have been reading but who knows.

IMO area was never secured.
If the area was secured then no one even brought Tara's car to the carwash in the first place. No neighbor will be cleaning the yard as well.

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

If you remember from earlier info, Tara wasn't officially declared missing until that Monday afternoon and the GBI didn't arrive until earling evening and then searched for evidence until early Tues. morning. In this town nothing like this happens so alot of neighbors and educators and students were concerned and nosy. They weren't all in the house but the LE did allow certain people to enter the residence who knew Tara and her house and asked if anything look strange or out of place.

Granting they were not able to secure it immediately on Monday but how come GBI or LE allowed anyone to go there and clean the yard and bring Tara's car to the carwash.... Just doesnt make any sense right?

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

I'm not real sure about the date but Tara didn't press any charges he was just removed from the property, or asked to leave.

Thanks for the info. It was posted here that he was arrested, taken down to jail and Tara went and paid him out.

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

AG was the one that had her car washed in the first place when she got here. The GBI secured the scene when they arrived, I guess it was just too late.

GBI should take legal possession of all things on the property and not AG. Even AG is Tara's sister, she shouldnt go there without the company of anyone from LE.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Babes

GBI should take legal possession of all things on the property and not AG. Even AG is Tara's sister, she shouldnt go there without the company of anyone from LE.

I think that is a difference in a missing person case and a criminal case. The law can do lots more when criminal.

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

I think that is a difference in a missing person case and a criminal case. The law can do lots more when criminal.

It should have been declared as criminal case on day 1 if they just probably search the entire property IMO

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

She said, "Tara would just die if anyone saw her car wasn't clean."

Do you have a link for this? I am just curious. Thanks

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by Sassy
I don't think this is true because there are pictures of the car with F/P dust on the trunk...and on another board the car was not washed until Sat or Sun......If I remember correctly

I thought it was a Friday. I do not think Anita was there the first day. Tara's dad and stepmom talked the first 2 or 3 days.

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

...I thought he even told Greta that he took the car and had it washed because he didn't want Tara coming home to see the F/P dust on it.

This is what ived heard too from the interview. Or are we both dreaming? LOL

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by Candace

Oh, so you are Marcus' age? right?

Bnutty cant be same age with Marcus. Bnutty said she/he's only few years older than AV :D Do the math

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:30 AM

Bnutty

Who told AG about the fight that Tara and MH had about MH's relationship to an 18 year old gal? Where did Anita get this story?

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

He took the car to be washed but AG was the one that said that she wanted it done.
Bnutty, I do appreciate all the info tonight. If I remember correctly from your earlier posts, you have questions about LG. Could you tell why and did you ever see him in town much before all this happened?

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Well, Tara and AG hardly talked at all so probably not from Tara herself. Tara could have said something to her mother about finding the emails. But there never was a big argument about it. She asked if he was dating her and he said no. She never threatened to tell any parents. That is just AG trying to give MH a motive.

How did you know that she never threatened to tell any parents?

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by benhill29
So do you think AG wants MH to have a motive in order to take suspicion away from LG?

I dont know but if Anita thinks LG is involved and she wanted to take the suspicion away from LG then she should be the first one who will shut up and stop bringing this case to the media. I dont know but thats how i look on it.

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:45 AM

Awww am getting sleepy....grrrrr i need to work tom.
Ill be sleeping soon

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Yes, she is bringing the media in but only pointing them in one direction. The information that was on America's Most Wanted and shows of that nature, all of the info came from AG and a good bit of it was false. I don't think that she planned on LG getting questioned or interrogated but since he has and failed the poly, she has to devert the attention somewhere else and fast.

They havent conducted the poly yet on LG but as far as i know Anita is already pointing the finger on MH when they had a confrontation on the police station.

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

I thought we already knew that LG had taken a poly and failed part of the questions about the affair??

Yes he had a poly already but what i meant is... AG is already pointing her finger on MH when they had a confrontation at the police station and that happened before LG took the POLY.

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by Candace

He couldn't break from her either, as much as he wanted to. A part of him, after a long courtship, still belonged to her. He could have been on drugs. He looked very suspicious, on Greta's show, at the beginning with his attny. IMO

On that interview....
I think he's very angry with Tara.
I think he doesnt even care if Tara's missing on that interview
I also think he needs to attend an anger management class.
But these are just my opinion only

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 02:58 AM

MH said in the Greta interview that Tara threatened suicide, why did he not tell someone about this when it happened?

Babes

03-22-2006, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

We've already been thru that, I said that earlier. [/QUOTE

But you said :
[quote]Yes, she is bringing the media in but only pointing them in one direction. The information that was on America's Most Wanted and shows of that nature, all of the info came from AG and a good bit of it was false. I don't think that she planned on LG getting questioned or interrogated but since he has and failed the poly, she has to devert the attention somewhere else and fast.

But you sounded like Anita is diverting the attention to MH fast so LG will be excused because he failed the poly.

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty
Okay All-
Way past my bedtime. Nice chatting and exchanging with you guys. Have a good night

Thanks for the chat

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:05 AM

Did MH physically hurt Tara before when they were still together?
Just wondering what kind of BF is MH
:)

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty
Babes-

Well, she accused him before LG was looked at. I think that she wants to help create a motive for MH in order to take light off of anyone else, rather it be LG or HD. But once the spot light was on her husband, she sure started coming up with new stuff fast.
This is what I was talking about:

Oh ok... well got confused with your other post then ;)

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by Sassy

Who are you really.....???

I think it was a tag team event.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

I can see that too....I mean she seemed to have a troubled situation so who knows. One can take it either way when really we may be totally in the wrong ball park but I agree with you about this being aggravating to him especially if he was having trouble with her reading his emails and acting strange about what he was doing.

How could she read his emails?
He was having nothing to do with her.

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:14 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Well, Tara and AG hardly talked at all so probably not from Tara herself. Tara could have said something to her mother about finding the emails. But there never was a big argument about it. She asked if he was dating her and he said no. She never threatened to tell any parents. That is just AG trying to give MH a motive.

Regarding finding the emails.... can you enlighten us about these emails? How did Tara got a hold of these emails or who emailed her about this?

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

How could she read his emails?
He was having nothing to do with her.

I am actually thinking the same. I just posted some feedback on the emails mentioned by bnutty.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by Sassy

Because this whole last hour or so has been so staged and choreographed.... it is pathetic.....

My head is spinning!!

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by Sassy

Because this whole last hour or so has been so staged and choreographed.... it is pathetic.....

LOL a damage control for MH huh? :lol: :biggrin:

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

I am sorry you feel this way. I don't have any contact with any one on this board locally or non-locally except for what you see me place on the board. I think you are judging me incorrectly. In fact, I wish you would go back and read some of my earlier posts about how awful corruption is here and how that will affect whether there is ever justice in this case once the perp is caught.
I am not connected in a tag team with any one but myself and my thought process. I try very hard to have an open mind about all scenarios. You have no idea the other scenarios that are running wild in our area. I don't even live in Ocilla. I live in Fitzgerald. Again, I am sorry you think you were duped.

since you live in fitzgerald... can you check what time the bar close... ( the bar that MH and his stepsister went )... Coz bnutty said that it closed at 1:30am and most bars close at 2am LOL

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

Imagine how the ones who live here feel....it is terrible to hear one day she has been found and they have someone in custody and the next minute you are having to call LE to find out if it is true and still don't know who to believe. I feel your pain...believe me.

I was trying to remember that poster that came in here and spread that rumor about an arrest.........hmm
I think it was bowtie.
People that spread rumors, and that was the worse I have heard,
should be so ashamed of themselves.

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

I can't believe that you feel that way. I am sorry for whatever I threw into the mixture to make you think I would even try to do damage control for any one. I am also sorry I wasted any time to be the joke of your PM'ing..No one thinks any of you fell off the turnip truck yesterday. Good Night and I am sure you won't have to worry about my getting in the midst of your search for the truth any longer but you are so wrong about me.

Errr why did you feel that my post is for you?

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

I was there this past Saturday night until 1:15 am but the one across town was open until 4am...LOL to you too.

What is the name of the bar??

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

I was there this past Saturday night until 1:15 am but the one across town was open until 4am...LOL to you too.

what time do they close? Not the one accross town but the bar that MH and his stepsister went

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by benhill29
You see we don't have any real LE here in Fitzgerald or Ocilla so the bars stay open until they get ready to close but they don't serve after the cutoff time for alcohol sales. If they decide to close at 9pm they run every one out.

Isnt that it should say on the door what time they open and close?

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

LOL a damage control for MH huh? Because of that from before.

What if my post is referring to Bnutty Or somebody else?

:rolleyes:

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:32 AM

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

Hopefully it is since Bnutty left without answering some questions that were thrown that way. It doesn't matter because I know that I am not playing games on this message board.

You have been very helpful. Thanks for the info. But i just cannot buy that Tara read MH's email when he said they had moved on and he was not seeing her. How did she do that?

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

No ...no hours are posted. The bar that is the White Horse which is where MH was supposed to have been may close at 1:30 or they may close up earlier. They have stayed open before until 2 or later. Remember...we have no law here.

They may close up earlier than 1:30am on that night?

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by benhill29

They closed up at 9pm 3 weeks ago because no one was there and the owner just decided to run every one out. You can never be sure what time they will stay open until. I know a bartender or two there and I am sure they keep up with what nights were bad nights though. I may do some asking around about that tomorrow.

Thanks
Maybe you can ask also if MH did drink that too. ;)

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 03:42 AM

Babes

03-22-2006, 03:57 AM

Good Evening guys and gals
Need to sleep already!!!
See yah tom.
:seeya: :hat:

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 04:00 AM

Night babes.
Ben you sure are doing good to be a newbie on here.
See you all tomorrow.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Sassy
Since I know the Administrator at Taylor Regional, I am going to call and ask about that incinerator first thing tomorrow morning....

Can you get a whole body in one of those?

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by Sassy

My thoughts exactly.....

What did you say about a turnip truck??

:D

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 04:11 AM

you did great candace............

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 04:14 AM

Do you think that the 18 year old comes on this board? She has a computer.

mooloo

03-22-2006, 06:11 AM

The White Horse?? receipts?? get outta town

Originally posted by Candace
Another question: Wouldn't the bar have receipts showing what,and how many drinks were purchased, and the time MH and his party had their last drinks? This may give insight to the timeline of when he actually left the bar..unless they paid in cash.

BevAnn

03-22-2006, 10:57 AM

My LORD you people were busy last night!! LOL It took me over an hour to read all these posts (pesky work, getting in the way!)!

Unfortunately, after the dust cleared, I do not believe we now one more thing than we already knew. Well, I did learn 2 new rumors - the MH talking to her at the red light, and the hospital incenerator thing.....never heard either of those before!

bnutty, I'm tempted to say, in my OPINION, I think you ARE MH. But hey, I'm just a dumb Arkansan, what do I know? You claim to know detail info that only MH would know, so I base my opinion on the posts you have made.

benhill - was it you or someone else who was calling the hospital first thing this am?? I am anxious to see what is found out...

Bev Ann

sumter_sue

03-22-2006, 11:13 AM

I am in no way implying that AG & LG had anything to do with this but isn't it a little strange tht AG is running the show and not the parents. Why is that?

Atok

03-22-2006, 11:42 AM

Wow...

Well, Bev ann you had less work then I did this morning! It took me an HOUR and a HALF to go through this thread!!

Busy, busy, busy beavers.

Going to take me a few to digest and arrange information and discern. It read like watching popcorn pop.

Shake shake shake, pop pop pop... pause... shake shake : POP pop pop.

Don't worry, I'll post again soon when I get things sorted out. LOL.

Didn't want you all to wonder, well, where did Atok go while this late-breaking thread took fire... (the answer is: I went to bed early, that'll "learn" me, huh?) :seeya:

BevAnn

03-22-2006, 11:45 AM

Atok - I know!! Me needs me beauty sleep!! No way could I have stayed up that late!! LOL

Sumter Sue - I have wondered the SAME thing, and I do believe somewhere I remember reading, the parents are there and involved, but have just choosen to stay out of the lime light, and let AG be the official spokesperson for the Tara family....some one correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure someone will!!) LOL

Bev ann :D

jela72

03-22-2006, 12:06 PM

Hi y'all! :seeya: :)

Although not new to forum posting (which I gave up to 'get a life' after the Peterson Parade) ... I'm brand-new here (and ready to get tainted, tarnished and tested, LOL, that's what happens to posters after a while, doesn't it???)

To kick off with I'm from nowhere near Tara's town, but have been reading for days so I do feel like I know many of you so well already. OK ... brief intro over: here goes:

<<<preparing to enter 1st lamb-basting mode, igniting engines, bracing up for the G-force>>>

Note, JMHO: Through everything I've read here, I had to join ctv as I do find it wierd that the only person to validate his being at the scene on the day, night, place and spot in question, (or close enough thereafter) has been HD.

To me, it was as if that ruled him out from the getgo only to leave everyone scrambling to figure who ELSE may have been there. And HD says he was there to PROTECT Tara. From what??? No-one seems to know. I just found it too convenient.

I just can't get my head around the above set-up and another comment by a different poster along the lines of: HD went to all that trouble and then doesn't hang around to complete his protection??? He drives away STILL not knowing? After all those calls and ringing her mother? Sorry, but right now I don't buy it that he didn't want his affair exposed! What the heck did he say to his wife when he drove out of town for what appears to be the night? Other than organising a decent alibi - of course he spent the night away. It's as if HD is staying 'a tad too close' to the truth.

(Unless of course I totally misread everything, but it's strange, that's all. He's in LE and knows how to be careful. The latent glove may have been accidental - whoever took Tara may have dropped it and I happen to believe she was taken from her bedroom).

With that said, MH is not entirely off my hinky meter, either. Is life that boring in O that he spends an evening 'on the beat' with a friend from LE after being with family what friends play in a band? Maybe... who knows - not exactly my idea of a good night

--------------------

And my second speculative thought is this:

In all those clothes we saw in Tara's room - where was Tara's underwear (bra etc) she'd worn that day? I tried to peep closely at the photos (lol), nothing came up. (Again, I may have overlooked a post or the pics, but her top, shoes, necklace, jeans, belt, coat, etc have all been mentioned. Was she grabbed from her bed or right before retiring? )

Sorry my first post is so long. Promise to be shorter next time. Again, just the thoughts that have lingered since I began reading.

:seeya:

BevAnn

03-22-2006, 12:21 PM

jela - I will agree, HD is a curious character in this. He SAYS he didn't see a latex glove when he was there - do we believe him - maybe HE dropped the glove, so he TELLS LE, no, that glove wasn't there when I was.

I too find suspicuous - he is so worried about her, makes the calls, calls the mom, they call the neighbor, neighbor says, no everything seems fine - so he just leaves?? And just WHERE did he go??

THings that make ya go hhhhmmmmmmmmm......:confused:

Bev Ann

Atok

03-22-2006, 12:29 PM

Yeah, I read Ben Hill as Benny Hill too. LOL.

I believe he was straight up and not part of a tandem defense squad. He just arrived right around the same time, so he got lumped up.

My specialty is discerning truth. I'll tell you something, message boards are a great place to find alot of BS.

I agree with seeker when they said something to the effect of: amidst all this controversy, bias and positioning lies Tara.

FWIW, I no longer think MH had an 18 year old GF.

jela72

03-22-2006, 01:05 PM

Mmmm. Strange, BevAnn. Particularly as I wrote to Atok a few mins ago, that leaving his card there and then disappearing just doesn't fit.

This is my personal opinion - as I played it out in my mind: There he was after 12 with 20 continuos calls and all, patrolling Tara's house, parking outside - in full view of the P's residence, yet he rings Tara's mom and she calls the P's? He could have easily gotten out the car himself and walked over to their place, wrapped on the door and said: Tara's not answering ... I'm worried ... you guys seen anything?

A light of the P's may have been on and he may have been edgy they'd seen his car so he carefully gets Tara's mom to call and MAKE them look out of the window... Why? So that when it comes up his car was there, he has a perfectly 'sound' reason.

And he leaves a card and drives off into the sunset (or sunrise).

Sumptink wong in ChinaTown... Just my thoughts.

jela72

03-22-2006, 01:16 PM

Just wanted to clarify why my hunches crossed from MH to HD (and I'm still not 100% certain - just letting my own odd logic guide my thoughts, LOL):

It's odd (to me) that HD was concerned enough to make a 'mercy dash' in the middle of the night from one town to the next out of concern for Tara .... and when he gets to her place he just sits there? And calls Tara's MOTHER? He's in LE, for goodness sakes.

This thing leaves me scratchin my head.... :(

Bnutty

03-22-2006, 02:00 PM

jela72-
I think that everyone is scratching their heads and not only about that, but basically everything. There is so much info flying around, true and false, that no one knows what to believe anymore. Don't worry you are not alone

Bnutty

03-22-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Sassy
Blaire,

We heard enough from you last night...you can go back to work or school or whatever you do during the day....

TRUTH is one of those words that some believe, many question, and others just outright deny......

If you have "nothing to hide"....you "hide nothing"....correct.....

Thanks so much for all your input....

Sorry Sassy pants-
I heard plenty of your stuff last night too. But I hate to tell you that Blaire is one of MH's step-sisters (the older of the two) and I am not her. Gee, you think that I am Blaire and someone else thinks that I am MH. Can't yall get together and make up your minds please before I have an identity crisis?! LOL

concernedperson

03-22-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by jela72
Just wanted to clarify why my hunches crossed from MH to HD (and I'm still not 100% certain - just letting my own odd logic guide my thoughts, LOL):

It's odd (to me) that HD was concerned enough to make a 'mercy dash' in the middle of the night from one town to the next out of concern for Tara .... and when he gets to her place he just sits there? And calls Tara's MOTHER? He's in LE, for goodness sakes.

This thing leaves me scratchin my head.... :(

Good points and I would love to have some of it explained. I'll throw out some ideas.

What if HD and Tara had been having an affair but it wasn't going anywhere and she decided to end it. He still cares about her and wants her to reconsider but she says no.....doesn't want the same nowhere relationship as she had with Marcus. He is trying to respect her decision but he misses her and wants to tell her something and he calls all day Sunday and no answer. He isn't worried yet just wonders why she hasn't answered the phone.
Then he decides to drive over after his shift to see if she will talk with him. No answer on the phone or the door but her car is there. Then he decides to call her mother (maybe she is spending the night at her mom's) and her mom says no she isn't there.

Now in his mind she is in her home but doesn't want to speak with him at all. Everything looks normal so he is thinking it must be me. He leaves the card in the door so she knows he was there and drives back to his town wondering why she won't speak with him. Just throwing something out there and I don't even know if that is my opinion or not.

Bnutty

03-22-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Sassy

Not to worry, Nutty Butty, Dr G. would be glad to help you with your identity crisis......

Well in my opinion he needs to help someone because you seem to think that you are the one with all of the "golden information" when in actuality you don't know the half of if.

jela72

03-22-2006, 02:29 PM

Hello concerned :)

Thanks for your response and comments. I flowed so well with your thoughts, especially the first para. That makes complete sense and yeah ... I follow it. The part that got me completely stumped is the last half:

If he didn't 'get the message' that Tara clearly didn't want to talk to him after placing 20 calls with no reply, then someone swapped sawdust for his brain-cells.

What would possess him to then DRIVE all the way to Tara's house and only to realise perhaps she doesn't want to talk to him ?

My view? This HD POI may have felt 'snubbed' by Tara; he could well be the type who insists on having the last say. (You must know those control freaks.) After all he was indeed brazen and sneaky enough to enter an illicit affair with this lovely woman, on top of being pretty close to the whole family.

He had to have been 'accustomed' to cruising her neck of the woods in his car - to the point her neighbors may have even recognized his vehicle (hence Mr P not wanting to invade Tara's privacy).

And I'll tell you something else: men who enter affairs (esp with beautiful women) are usually those with nothing else in mind other than lust and 'ownership'.

All of the above is mere speculation, based on previous reading and personal understanding and most certainly my own concoction of an opinion (which I'll agree is growing as the ticks and tocks move on... lol).

Nice to 'meet' you! :seeya:

Jel

[QUOTE]Originally posted by concernedperson

Good points and I would love to have some of it explained. I'll throw out some ideas.

What if HD and Tara had been having an affair but it wasn't going anywhere and she decided to end it. He still cares about her and wants her to reconsider but she says no.....doesn't want the same nowhere relationship as she had with Marcus. He is trying to respect her decision but he misses her and wants to tell her something and he calls all day Sunday and no answer. He isn't worried yet just wonders why she hasn't answered the phone.
Then he decides to drive over after his shift to see if she will talk with him. No answer on the phone or the door but her car is there. Then he decides to call her mother (maybe she is spending the night at her mom's) and her mom says no she isn't there.

Now in his mind she is in her home but doesn't want to speak with him at all. Everything looks normal so he is thinking it must be me. He leaves the card in the door so she knows he was there and drives back to his town wondering why she won't speak with him. Just throwing something out there and I don't even know if that is my opinion or not. [/QUOTE

BevAnn

03-22-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Sorry hun, but you don't have to be MH to know MH if you were to live here. He talks to everyone and has many friends and even while he was overseas always kept in touch with emails and phone calls letting us know his latest news. Sorry BevAnn but you missed your target.

Bnutty - you're right, I now know, I WAS incorrect in my original assessment! (those who pm'd me and clarified, thank you, you know who you are!!)

Bev Ann

BevAnn

03-22-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Bnutty

Well in my opinion he needs to help someone because you seem to think that you are the one with all of the "golden information" when in actuality you don't know the half of if.

So, explain the half we don't know.....

Bev Ann

benhill29

03-22-2006, 03:21 PM

I posted this information on the other thread but I will state it again for those of you who are inquiring about HD. I too am curious about the questions that were posed on the board yesterday regarding whether he was still in LE, whether he was still happily married, whether he drove a LE car to Ocilla to check on Tara, whether he was on the clock, etc.
I know a coroner up the interstate aways who has some connections that may be able to get us some answers so I posed those questions to the coroner as well as whether HD was friends the GBI Dominic Turner as was questioned yesterday.
It may lead to nothing but if it turns any thing of interest that is valid I will pass the info along since we all want to know what the deal is with HD.

jela72

03-22-2006, 03:24 PM

Thank you, Ben :)

concernedperson

03-22-2006, 03:30 PM

I don't know how frequently this site is updated but he is shown as a government employee in Perry, Georgia.

http://www.perry-ga.gov/personnel/0.php

concernedperson

03-22-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson
I don't know how frequently this site is updated but he is shown as a government employee in Perry, Georgia.

http://www.perry-ga.gov/personnel/0.php

Found a recent article and he is still with LE as of March 20th.

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local_headlines.aspx?storyid=24055

BevAnn

03-22-2006, 04:03 PM

Here's a thought that keeps popping into my head....

I do not know Tara. Have no clue about her. HOWEVER, she seems - by photos, by thoughts shared by her friends and family, to be a genuinely nice lady. She's very pretty, appears to be smart (teacher, attending college, etc). Seems well liked by those around her, her students, etc...

Now, she was having a 6 yr long relationship with MH. They had broke it off 9 months ago. Ok, again, all normal parts of life.

So, now we look at this - it is claimed that #1 she had an affair with HD AND #2 had an affair with LG???? I'm sorry, I don't know that I buy that. She had these affairs, both with married men in the last 9 months AFTER the break up with MH??

And let me just get clarification - we THINK there was an affair with HD, because it's the rumor, and he was seen at her house when AV showed up, and called on the night she went missing - and we THINK she had the affair with LG becuase he failed the poly question - correct?

Has anyone ASKED AG point blank about the supposed affair between her sister and husband?

I just have to question the affair rumors....she just didn't seem the type to me...but strangers things have happened. Maybe after the MH breakup, she was reaching to make him jealous, or was super lonely, or whatever :shrug: Just don't picture her as the "affair" type.

Bev Ann

IBC

03-22-2006, 04:19 PM

Only LG knows for certain if they had an affair. HOWEVER, it has been pointed out several times that T was menstrating at the time she disappeared. There was evidence in her wastebasket - apparently confirmed. This means, of course, the T was not pregnant.

bred

03-22-2006, 04:22 PM

I agree with you. Don't think she'd destroy a family...but I could be way wrong. I have a question. Why do you think TG would have knocked on MH's window to awaken him on that day that she skipped school? I can imagine a 16-17 yr. old doing that but she's kind of old for that. Maybe she didn't want to run into his Mom? And why not? Any other thoughts?

concernedperson

03-22-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by bred
I agree with you. Don't think she'd destroy a family...but I could be way wrong. I have a question. Why do you think TG would have knocked on MH's window to awaken him on that day that she skipped school? I can imagine a 16-17 yr. old doing that but she's kind of old for that. Maybe she didn't want to run into his Mom? And why not? Any other thoughts?

That is MH's version of what happened. I don't think she would do that. If she wanted privacy from his mom wouldn't she just call and ask him to come over to her place?

mooloo

03-22-2006, 05:16 PM

Everybody here should wear hip boots imo. Seems like last night a full hazmat suit might have helped, too.

Deep in here....way deep.

Originally posted by Atok
Yeah, I read Ben Hill as Benny Hill too. LOL.

I believe he was straight up and not part of a tandem defense squad. He just arrived right around the same time, so he got lumped up.

My specialty is discerning truth. I'll tell you something, message boards are a great place to find alot of BS.

I agree with seeker when they said something to the effect of: amidst all this controversy, bias and positioning lies Tara.

FWIW, I no longer think MH had an 18 year old GF.

justbrowsing2

03-22-2006, 08:06 PM

I was wondering about the card in the door from HD. If he left a card in the door and didn't see any glove, then how would the perpetrator get back into the house without the card falling out of the door? This is strange to me. I don't think a perpetrator would go back into a house that has a police card on the door and then drop a glove on the way out and make sure the card is put right back where it was. I think this HD needs to be taking a polygraph. His story doesn't make any sense and he is the one at the scene of the crime and drove from far away and left his wife to do it. Something very fishy here. He is a LE and would have seen the glove especially since he was looking around. Very Very fishy!

longcoolwoman

03-22-2006, 08:10 PM

Is it me, or did the majority of this thread disappear? I could swear there was at least 30 pages the last time I checked, yet now that I have time to read, there are only 10.

Does anyone know what happened?

IBC

03-22-2006, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson That is MH's version of what happened. I don't think she would do that. If she wanted privacy from his mom wouldn't she just call and ask him to come over to her place?

I've followed Tara's case since the beginning. Tara and Mark Harper both knocked on each other's windows. It was just their "thing." There is nothing to make of this.

As for posts disappearing, I hope they have deleted posts because it's mostly water under the bridge re: the 18 year old. It has been heavily discussed on other sites, and the conclusion is that he was not having an affair with this young woman. I think it may have started because he was seen giving her a ride, although I'm not certain of this rumor's origin.

benhill29

03-22-2006, 09:37 PM

Popcorn,
Do you know if the card was there on the door when it was finally noticed that Tara was missing? In other words, was it recovered by LE per your knowledge...Just wondering??

Saunterer

03-22-2006, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by longcoolwoman
Is it me, or did the majority of this thread disappear? I could swear there was at least 30 pages the last time I checked, yet now that I have time to read, there are only 10.

Does anyone know what happened? I know lcw. I read them and there were like 35 pages this morning. Took for ever (dial-up). I think somehow the messages got compressed onto fewer pages. But I really didn't spend any time to see if anything was deleted. In any event, there was nothing there of any substance and it was all off topic. IMOO

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by IBC

I've followed Tara's case since the beginning. Tara and Mark Harper both knocked on each other's windows. It was just their "thing." There is nothing to make of this.

As for posts disappearing, I hope they have deleted posts because it's mostly water under the bridge re: the 18 year old. It has been heavily discussed on other sites, and the conclusion is that he was not having an affair with this young woman. I think it may have started because he was seen giving her a ride, although I'm not certain of this rumor's origin.

I am sorry that I have not reached the same conclusion that you have about the g/f.

They went to same gym, emailed each other, and now you say he gave her a ride. There has to be a girl and she must be his friend. I still have not got an answer about how Tara saw MH's email. According to him they had moved on. Had Tara been over to MH's recently and went inside, not just tapped on his window?

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by benhill29
Ask Bnutty how she got the emails....according to an earlier post that I put on where he is quoted as saying that....Maybe Bnutty knows!

I asked last night but never got an answer. I hope "she" has not been run off. Glad to see you still here.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 11:38 PM

Wonder what Godwin means by this??

Released 3.22.06: Dr. Godwin has shared the following additional information:
The abduction of Tara was not a spontaneous or opportunistic crime but rather one that was well thought out even to the point of stalking her prior to the attack. It’s likely that the perpetrator pre-selected the disposal site and monitored the house for several days after the abduction to see if Tara’s disappearance had been reported to law enforcement.

NancynNC

03-22-2006, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Candace

Just what it says, Nancy..Re-read it.

Well, I have reread.....:)

He says she was stalked before the attack, and I think we all know who he thinks may be responsible. MH was in another town at a bar. Wonder if he has proof of what happened earlier in the day?

NancynNC

03-23-2006, 12:27 AM

I am having trouble with HD worrying and calling all day Sunday, traveling there after 12 am and than just going home. If he called her Mom and found out Tara was safely there with her or if Mrs. P. had said she had seen Tara that day I could see HD satisfied and returning home. But he done nothing or found nothing when he went to the house. Just hard to believe.

Babes

03-23-2006, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC
I am having trouble with HD worrying and calling all day Sunday, traveling there after 12 am and than just going home. If he called her Mom and found out Tara was safely there with her or if Mrs. P. had said she had seen Tara that day I could see HD satisfied and returning home. But he done nothing or found nothing when he went to the house. Just hard to believe.

maybe they (Tara and HD) have little disagreement and he thought Tara is mad at him so he tried to call her a lot of times and since he cant help but wanna talk to her then he went to Tara's house to talk to her but Tara isnt responding or answering his call so he tried to call Faye and verify if Tara's with them but Faye said No and check with Mr Portier if there is anything wrong and check if Tara is there but maybe Mr Portier said it looks like everything is ok so HD went back home thinking Tara is just mad at him.....

Babes

03-23-2006, 12:34 AM

NancynNC

03-23-2006, 12:57 AM

At one time, and I cannot find it tonight. It was stated almost as fact that the last 3 calls that Tara made were to Megan, Marie and HD. I know Megan said she was third to last. Megan said Tara went missing at 12:30. Wonder what happened to this timeline now that Dr. Darwin is saying she went missing maybe as early as 11:05 pm? Megan wrote her account soon after, I think Monday night, so it seems she would have been correct.

Babes

03-23-2006, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Bnutty

No one wants to hear the truth I guess, people want to believe and write about the rumors and juicy gossip instead of what is really going on.

What is the truth? A one-sided truth? If you know everything then spill it. No need to hide on a message board. Spill it in the media where everyone will see your credibility as well.

We are here to share opinions based on what we know and what we heard. Not because LG failed the POLY means he really had a relationship with Tara. Do you know the truth? A lot of people failed the POLY and they are innocent. Forensic Evidences speak louder than a POLY on any cases because POLY is not even admitted in the court of law. And i believe that in the future the forensic evidences on this case will come out.

On my own opinion, you are also just giving us rumor and juicy gossips because you dont have anything to support your post. You mentioned last night that Tara was able to access MH's email then prove it... how? when? where?

NancynNC

03-23-2006, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by jela72

Incredibly hard to believe, Nancy, and thanks for your response. Let's take Sense and Sensibility into play for a moment:

Sense:

HD allegedly believes Tara is unsafe. He calls 20 times on Saturday (when we all know Tara was among lots of people) and she refuses his calls. OK, given she was busy - but after call number 10 I'd say she's have either SENSED something was real urgent, or she did NOT want to accept those calls. If the latter is true, we can correctly surmize that Tara was saying 'NO' to HD and he wan't accepting it. Result of senses? Rejection, IMO.

Taking HD's side, he senses danger, drives all the way to T's house to check on her.

SENSIBILITY:

Now, if he was THAT worried, being in LE - he definitely had the means and opportunity to call locall Ocilla LE and have them check the place until he gets there. He doesn't do that (but maintains Tara was in deep trouble).

Furthermore, he calls Tara's MOM after midnight. I find it so wierd he called after midnight and felt comfortable with that. Being in LE, he would automatically know that a call at that hour to the parent of a single daughter would be alarming. Tara's MOM calls the neighbor - whose home remains WITHIN sight, let alone footsteps of right where HD is parked - to confirm all is OK.

So, my SENSES do not tell me that this experienced LE Officer is satisfied by the comments made *over a phone from Hawkesville to the neighbor of the gal* he's just sped cross-county to check up on ... is OK?

Maybe HD needed reassurance nothing was seen and got T's mom to make the neighborly call (sound more natural and convincing by the mom rather than if HD rang Mr. P).

How would Mr. P have reacted if a married man called him to see if she's ok ... well after midnight? Now THAT could be alarming, esp if that person was also a LE officer from another town. My total speculation is that HD knows a little more (basis the information we have to date - and basis it is correct).

Until we know much more, and having read here for days (daze) on end, this is where my money lies: in HD's shoes - and it's utter speculation on my part.

:)

I was under the impression that all the phone calls were on Sunday.
But I find it disturbing that HD called Tara's mom that late just to get her upset with no answers.
The article tonight says that Darwin thinks this was planned out. Maybe someone knew the neighbors were going to be away.

Yes, it is all speculation on my part, but some very disturbing actions have occurred.

Babes

03-23-2006, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by GeneralLee
Released 3.22.06: Dr. Godwin has shared the following additional information:
The abduction of Tara was not a spontaneous or opportunistic crime but rather one that was well thought out even to the point of stalking her prior to the attack. It’s likely that the perpetrator pre-selected the disposal site and monitored the house for several days after the abduction to see if Tara’s disappearance had been reported to law enforcement.

THEORY/THEORY/THEORY ONLY-------

If Tara was seeing someone else's boyfriend or husband, it makes perfect sense that the wife or the g/f of the man would be watching/stalking to see just what was going on between Tara and the man, making her move when she caught them. Possibly not making her move in front of the man, but waiting until either he left Tara's or Tara left where she met him.

If this was well planned, then suppose Tara did leave her home on late Saturday, wee hours of Sunday, driving to meet the married man somewhere, and after she left on her way back home, this someone (wife or g/f) followed her, possibly almost to her home, within walking distance to her house, flagged her down, ran her off the road, maybe? (clay, pine bark embedded in front of car light area) or followed her TO her home, parking a little out of the way, off the main street, maybe on Five Bridges Road, a short walk to Tara's if they didn't want their car to be seen? Maybe they knocked, she came, they forced her into her car at gunpoint, she drove, and the rest you can fill in.
And then, afterwards, the car was driven back to Tara's at a high rate of speed (covered in bugs) and maybe they used her key, went in, maybe looking for something in particular, made the scene look like a little struggle took place, took what they wanted, if anything, and left. Walked back to their car and drove back home.

I'd like to discuss why this would or would NOT be a logical scenario?

Unfortunately, in this case, we have 2 married men that are suspected of having an intimate link with Tara, and one single man that is reported to have a girlfriend.

IMO wife of HD should be questioned too

Babes

03-23-2006, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

I was under the impression that all the phone calls were on Sunday.
But I find it disturbing that HD called Tara's mom that late just to get her upset with no answers.
The article tonight says that Darwin thinks this was planned out. Maybe someone knew the neighbors were going to be away.

Yes, it is all speculation on my part, but some very disturbing actions have occurred.

I am not worried about HD calling Tara's mom Actually this gives me an impression that HD is probably real close to Tara's family that he called Faye that late just to check on Tara. Imagine if HD did it then why did he placed himself on the possible crime location by calling Faye that night.

Babes

03-23-2006, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by jela72
Hi Babes :)

I think he gave himself an excuse and deemed it plausible, because records would have checked his timing out. He may have felt he was seen and / or / whatever. Being a close friend of the family is clear in that he had T's mom's number.

But he was SAT OUTSIDE HER HOUSE having driven there from his hometown and instead of beating down T's door, or waking up Mr. P and all going inside together - he is somehow strangely satisfied that a midnight call to Mr. P alleviated his 'anxiety' that Tara was in 'real danger'.

So he ups and drives away from T's house on the basis of waking a sleeping neighbor? And leaves only his card?

My point: If he felt there was such a threat that may endanger Tara (that warranted a midnight dash to her house), and if he was THAT close to her family - where was his motive to see through her security? Why did he not call Faye and local LE en route to STOP any 'immediate danger' as he prefers to tell?

He walked on old fish and his footprints don't smell good in my mind. Again - that's only in my mind, lol :)

I would think that if an experienced LE like HD is responsible for this then he would not put himself on the location where Tara went missing. He should know better and ived read that he's really a good LE that's why he was promoted as a captain.

Plus remember he is married. How many married people wake up the neighbor because their friend or girlffriend isnt answering the door and her cellphone on a Saturday night? How many of them called LE right away ? Plus if Faye said she will be meeting Tara on Sunday then maybe HD thought Tara already went to Faye's house so he called Faye right away.

How many people even think that Tara is in real danger when they saw or talk to her with no problem at all at the pageant?

jela72

03-23-2006, 01:40 AM

And Godwin says from 12:15 through 7:00 is the critical-window.

Didn't he say according to records of calls and where HD's car was pulled up?

Still not buying HD's dash to secure Tara and then driving off without sharing the info with family/authorities.

And my new 2 cents-worth, basis my (dumb) mix-up earlier: Don't they say a perp often returns to the scene?

lol, as always, just speculating. ;)

Babes

03-23-2006, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by jela72
Before retiring myself, that's all true, Babes :) None of those things I'm disputing. Just can't get my head around his knowledge of 'real danger', driving from town to town, arriving midnight and not following up. A sleeping neighbor seems to reassure him? After all those calls during the day? He could have called Faye long before he left - or called Ocilla LE and got them to go around.

(Maybe he left because hanging around may have exposed their alleged affair. All things seem acceptable. I personally don't read the logic in his approach, that's all.)

Nice people commit crimes. We only find they're not so nice when walls crack. As always, my personal opinion with regard to HD.

Yes i agree nice people commit crimes.
I also agree that there is a possibility that HD maybe involved somehow but i dont know ... IMHO MH is responsible for this.

Babes

03-23-2006, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by GeneralLee
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Babes

Plus remember he is married. How many married people wake up the neighbor because their friend or girlffriend isnt answering the door and her cellphone on a Saturday night? How many of them called LE right away ? Plus if Faye said she will be meeting Tara on Sunday then maybe HD thought Tara already went to Faye's house so he called Faye right away.

Oops, Babes, I think you have Saturday night Monday morning mixed up, as well.
You asked how many married people wake up the NEIGHBOR b/c their g/f or friend isn't answering door/cell on a Saturday night?

The married man (HD) was not calling Tara (that we know of) or going to her door on SATURDAY night. He did this on MONDAY morning at 12:15 AM, and that's when T's mom called the neighbor.

Also, Faye did say she was expecting Tara to come there Sunday, but Sunday ended, it was a night that Tara would need to be up and going to work the next day, so why would he ASSUME she spent Sunday night with her mother?

I think he called Faye to see if she had talked to Tara, but not out of an assumption that Tara already went there....it was 12:15 AM on Monday morning. Why would she be there at that time when she had to be at work in only a few hours from that time?

Ok let's replace my Saturday night with Sunday night.
But you are right i got mixed up LOL

Maybe HD called Faye thinking that Tara went to Faye's house because Tara is supposed to go there Sunday.

Maybe he thought Tara got sick maybe that's why she stayed longer on her mom's house ?

Babes

03-23-2006, 02:01 AM

BTW

They said HD is the last caller on Tara's cellphone on Saturday night. Did they ever mention if HD got a hold of Tara that night or it is a misscall?

NancynNC

03-23-2006, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by GeneralLee
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Babes

Plus remember he is married. How many married people wake up the neighbor because their friend or girlffriend isnt answering the door and her cellphone on a Saturday night? How many of them called LE right away ? Plus if Faye said she will be meeting Tara on Sunday then maybe HD thought Tara already went to Faye's house so he called Faye right away.

Oops, Babes, I think you have Saturday night Monday morning mixed up, as well.
You asked how many married people wake up the NEIGHBOR b/c their g/f or friend isn't answering door/cell on a Saturday night?

The married man (HD) was not calling Tara (that we know of) or going to her door on SATURDAY night. He did this on MONDAY morning at 12:15 AM, and that's when T's mom called the neighbor.

Also, Faye did say she was expecting Tara to come there Sunday, but Sunday ended, it was a night that Tara would need to be up and going to work the next day, so why would he ASSUME she spent Sunday night with her mother?

I think he called Faye to see if she had talked to Tara, but not out of an assumption that Tara already went there....it was 12:15 AM on Monday morning. Why would she be there at that time when she had to be at work in only a few hours from that time?

For all we know, HD and Faye may have talked earlier about where Tara was. Maybe she had him go down there. We do not know and they are only putting out bits of info here and there.

NancynNC

03-23-2006, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by Babes
BTW

They said HD is the last caller on Tara's cellphone on Saturday night. Did they ever mention if HD got a hold of Tara that night or it is a misscall?

They said the calls were out going. Did not say if she received any that night.

Babes

03-23-2006, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

For all we know, HD and Faye may have talked earlier about where Tara was. Maybe she had him go down there. We do not know and they are only putting out bits of info here and there.

Or maybe it was actually Faye who called HD earlier before HD called Faye at 12;15. Maybe Faye is looking for Tara because Tara didnt show up on her house on Sunday so HD became worried and tried to call Tara a lot of times and when he cant contact him then he went to the house to check on her plus we really didnt even know who else HD called after he called Faye.

NancynNC

03-23-2006, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by jela72
Tku Gen Lee :o

Yes, indeed my days ran into one another b/cos of the calls made after or around midnight on both days (Sat & Sun). Very sorry. Immersing jela in jello as punishment (but tasty punishment, as jela and jello are a great team, lol).

Without confusing anymore and c/pasting further quotes, when I said tara sounded fine/calm over the phone, that was to her friend (Marie or Megan, cant r which right now). Meaning: if she was scared or felt she was in immediate danger, surely she would have commented as such (or sounded unusually tense or anxious)?

Seems everything was smooth - no sign of trouble until we heard that HD advised she was in immediate 'real danger' from what she'd apparently told him.

HD? Hmmmm. Still not comfortable with his vibe. But then I'm menopausal these days - rather well known to recently embark upon telling long 'bedtime stories' to my kitty-kat, Max-a-Million (who, of course, converses with me throughout each chapter, correcting and challenging my script as we go along, lol :tongue:

Talking of which ... he's calling me. After last night's marathon on ctv, thot there'd be another overnight session today, lol.

Tku, GenL. Sorry about being a total idjit.

Were you here last night? Did you have another name?

Aussie

03-23-2006, 03:17 AM

We never heard of HD being at Tara's house until after Dr. G had been. Makes me think that he managed to secure HD's phone records and then HD had to fess up about being there and have a good reason. You would have thought if it was innocent that HD would have mentioned this at least to the family about 5 months ago!!!
I also believe a jealous wife is a dangerous thing to have around.
IMO

jela72

03-23-2006, 08:06 AM

On the 'Ocilla Locals' thread, benhill did some sleuthin and posted a link - that's VERY interesting regarding HD. Here's an excerpt from that article, 2 weeks after Tara went missing:

He claims it was a FEW WEEKS before her disappearance when he last saw her, yet he was allegedly right out side her house the w/end she went missing and left his card there? What's up with all of this?

Heath ****s, a police captain from a neighboring community described by one source close to Grinstead as a "friend of hers since they were kids" has been interviewed by investigators.

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." ****s, who has been cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."

Let's hope to goodness he has not 'elected' himself in charge of this investigation basis his 'close ties' to T's family! And GBI HQ is in Perry, right? So is HD.

(He doesn't even say he called Tara's mom, either. Grrrr.)

Esah

03-23-2006, 08:20 AM

Does anyone know of a link to photos of HD?

jela72

03-23-2006, 08:28 AM

I saw a pic of him somewhere here, Esah. Could have been on one of the Sticky's above. Not sure if it's still there or exactly where it was. HD is photographed standing outside of a truck, with latex gloves holding a plastic bag with evidence (which was unrelated to this case).

More of my money's on this guy in last 24 hours alone, but that's my own opinion.

The R

03-23-2006, 08:39 AM

I posted this on another thread. It is a quote from a report on CL. Am I wrong or does it say that HD and Tara were dating?

"A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher"

Somebody straighten me out on this....if this IS the case it would sure shed some light on things for me. HD is a married w/kids LE in Perry, right?

Saunterer

03-23-2006, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Esah
Does anyone know of a link to photos of HD?

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?pnpid=963&show=archivedetails&ArchiveID=1001025&om=1

BevAnn

03-23-2006, 09:09 AM

Trying to get some of this straight....

The alleged 20 phone calls from HD's phone to Tara (correct?) WHEN were those made??? What time span??? DURING the pagent, that afternoon, or while she was at the BBQ, when??

So, let's say they span that evening - covering time span of the pagent and while she was at the BBQ....maybe he wanted to "hook up" with her at her house.

She is hesitant to answer, maybe feeling this relationship with him isn't right (if there even was one, we still don't know!)...finally she answers the calls, says, ok I'm leaving this BBQ in about 30 minutes, meet me at home - she gets home, he's late showing up or whatever, she calls HIM to say, hey, I'm here are you coming by?

He drives over....gets to her house....her car is there...but she won't answer....which he thinks is odd. She is expecting him, so he's thinking something's not right.....so he calls her mom to check on her (this part still seems weird, the calling the mom deal). She calls the neighbors, it's determined nothing seems wrong. So, he thinks well - she's changed her mind about seeing him that evening and won't let him in (maybe she'd been reluctant from the start, hence the 20 calls to convince her to see him) - so he drives away.

My pretend scenario of what MIGHT of happened....holes in my theory??? Anyone?? I've missed why we starting thinking she relayed to him she was in danger (too much info to keep track of!)

Bev Ann :D

benhill29

03-23-2006, 09:18 AM

all of what has been posted about HD this morning but a good point is made...what if she was inside while he was outside calling her the whole time? What if she was already unconscious based on some others theories that have been posted. I am just speculating as to why....but the poster could be on to something about how she may have made plans to see HD and then was unable to do so due to being either not there while he was outside or being unconscious....which would still mean that he is basically only guilty of not following through more carefully after getting no response from Tara. However, this could have been normal behavior as far as he was concerned. She had been inside with him before and not answered the door while others were outside trying to reach her according to previous posts on other threads. Just thinking out loud and in type...disregard if you think is is stupid.

benhill29

03-23-2006, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by BevAnn
Trying to get some of this straight....

The alleged 20 phone calls from HD's phone to Tara (correct?) WHEN were those made??? What time span??? DURING the pagent, that afternoon, or while she was at the BBQ, when??

So, let's say they span that evening - covering time span of the pagent and while she was at the BBQ....maybe he wanted to "hook up" with her at her house.

She is hesitant to answer, maybe feeling this relationship with him isn't right (if there even was one, we still don't know!)...finally she answers the calls, says, ok I'm leaving this BBQ in about 30 minutes, meet me at home - she gets home, he's late showing up or whatever, she calls HIM to say, hey, I'm here are you coming by?

He drives over....gets to her house....her car is there...but she won't answer....which he thinks is odd. She is expecting him, so he's thinking something's not right.....so he calls her mom to check on her (this part still seems weird, the calling the mom deal). She calls the neighbors, it's determined nothing seems wrong. So, he thinks well - she's changed her mind about seeing him that evening and won't let him in (maybe she'd been reluctant from the start, hence the 20 calls to convince her to see him) - so he drives away.

My pretend scenario of what MIGHT of happened....holes in my theory??? Anyone?? I've missed why we starting thinking she relayed to him she was in danger (too much info to keep track of!)

Bev Ann :D

I believe we all have heard on other reports about HD that her family claims she relayed to him that she was in danger on previous occasions. He is even said to have shown up at the school on a previous occasion due to her being upset or in danger. The threads have reported that all of this took place due to the "closeness" of HD to the family and Tara. So that may help you understand why he was supposed to be there for her if she needed him but I am not buying that ....not at midnight....not if I was the wife he left at home in the bed.