The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[One2Snoop]

I find the post by barry9120 re: MH being a loser hateful and serves no purpose. Even though I am a new poster I am not new to this case. So, I am well aware of all that has been stated on the boards. We live in a hateful world and some people have no consideration. I feel and have felt MH had nothing to do with TG disappearance. Barry stated MH is a loser. MH is far from a loser! Served with the OPD as a SGT, has a college degree and is well traveled. He served with the 1/75th Bad A** Special Operations group of Army Rangers! Served our county as a private security contractor and is in good standing with this position at present. I understand he is far from unhappy these days and is certainly not "ruined" from law enforcement or anything else! I know he has no desire to serve as a police officer in the future ever. His present job is kick A** and he enjoys serving that position. Some men would only hope to do what MH has actually done. I certainly don't call this guy a loser! He is not to be compared to HD in any way! They can't be compared. HD isn't made of the stuff that MH is! Far from it! Remember: He did not want to continue a relationship with Tara even though she wanted him back. That certainly doesn't sound like she was replacing MH with a "real man", but rather a married one that came in 2nd. By the way Barry...what have you done in your life to serve society?

Just thought this was an interesting comment that RCM made regarding HD - I wonder if RCM would care to expand on it a little more?????

[Results]

This is a quote from FW on another thread "The aunt of Roxanne Paltauf an Austin teenager missing since July is posting as aperry58 on the "Missing/Found" forum in the Missing Children's section. Renee's family has been helping them and I am certain they could use whatever support is possible for all of you." This will show you where to find this forum.

Roxanne's Mother has informed us that Roxanne's Birthday is January 7th and she would be turning 19 years old. If at all possible please go to the thread and wish Roxanne a Happy Birthday. Roxanne's Mothers post was heart breaking to read. Lets show her what the Crime Library Family is all about please post Happy Birthday January 7th! Thanks! Please pass the word around. Sincerely, Results

[dixinites]

"Just Wanted You All To Know That 1-3-07 Is Roxannes' Birhtday.... Big 19"

Day after tomorrow...

Dixi

[dixinites]

We need to take this case and snuggle it around a few boundaries and expand as needed. But, not get overwhelmed with theories that don't fit.

Did you mean "smuggle"? In any case, I would like to see the forum narrow the theories down as well.

[Results]

"Just Wanted You All To Know That 1-3-07 Is Roxannes' Birhtday.... Big 19"

Day after tomorrow...

Dixi


Thank you for correcting me and now I have to go and change them on all the other forums. Once again Thanks!

[sogalady]

Just curious...what relevence does MH working or not working for UPS have to do with Tara's case?

Dixinites, As far as I can see it doesn't have one thing to do with this case. I only made this comment because some people seem to say anything to make it appear that MH is no longer contracted, not to mention that it has been said or insinuated on the board that MH is not allowed to leave the country ( seems that I remember someone saying that he can't even leave the state, which is totally false.)

It just gets kinda old that some posters want to make a big deal about anything that pertains to MH. I think if MH started drinking his coffee with one sugar instead of two someone would be able to tie it to "something" that fits their scenario.

Just attempting to keep the record straight. ( some posters would do anything to divert the attention away from HD, seems the shoe doesn't fit too well when on the other foot.) Hope this explains that apparently we have the same opinion that if MH is working for UPS, it has nothing to do with the price of tea in china !

[dixinites]

LOL...I see what you mean now (tongue planted firmly in cheek!). I was wondering if we were gonna send him a congratulatory telegram or something!

I think anyone with ANY knowledge of the law would know that the police cannot place that type of restriction on someone (ANYONE) based on suspicion alone. C'mon people, find something better to gossip about...who cares where he's working...he's NOT IN JAIL!

[BroadwayJoe]

Just curious...what relevence does MH working or not working for UPS have to do with Tara's case?

I believe there were a number of statements previously regarding MH's "current military position" and statements that he was still employed as a contractor, etc. Apparently he is not.

UPS, per se, has no significance. If he was employed by McDonald's the reference would have the same meaning, the point being, he is NOT working as a military private contractor as previously indicated. IMO, if he's received a dishonorable discharge from the military, or any discharge under questionable circumstances, this would be significant IMO.

By the same reference, it would be equally significant if HD suddenly left his position with the police department and began working at UPS. I'm sure that would be immediately discussed on this forum if that had happened. Come on now, be honest.

[simply quiet]

I believe there were a number of statements previously regarding MH's "current military position" and statements that he was still employed as a contractor, etc. Apparently he is not.

UPS, per se, has no significance. If he was employed by McDonald's the reference would have the same meaning, the point being, he is NOT working as a military private contractor as previously indicated. IMO, if he's received a dishonorable discharge from the military, or any discharge under questionable circumstances, this would be significant IMO.

By the same reference, it would be equally significant if HD suddenly left his position with the police department and began working at UPS. I'm sure that would be immediately discussed on this forum if that had happened. Come on now, be honest.

I think someone asked you about the UPS employment....do you have a link or proof of this?

[BroadwayJoe]

I think someone asked you about the UPS employment....do you have a link or proof of this?

I was responding to the comment along the lines of "what does MH working for UPS have to do with anything...."

A telephone call to UPS to verify employment should clear up any questions anyone has about whether he works there or not.

Once again, if HD had left his job and taken another one, this forum would be all over it.

This was no reflection on MH. Just an observation and a troubling question about whether he's really still "military" or not. Do you have a link or proof that he is?

[aperry58]

Roxanne;s birthday is acutally January 3rd in the Austin Newspaper the www.statesman.com there was going to be a birthday wish for her because this only runs on Sunday in the Lifestyle section which is January 7th.

[fsbiii]

No reflection on MH? Come on now, be honest.

"HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort. Alternatively, MH, the fiercely defended Army Ranger type, now appears to have totally abandoned this coveted position in exchange for delivering UPS packages in his local area."

[Results]

Roxanne;s birthday is acutally January 3rd in the Austin Newspaper the www.statesman.com there was going to be a birthday wish for her because this only runs on Sunday in the Lifestyle section which is January 7th.


Thank you Aperry and I do apologize that I got that date confused. :rose:

[odette]

I believe there were a number of statements previously regarding MH's "current military position" and statements that he was still employed as a contractor, etc. Apparently he is not.

UPS, per se, has no significance. If he was employed by McDonald's the reference would have the same meaning, the point being, he is NOT working as a military private contractor as previously indicated. IMO, if he's received a dishonorable discharge from the military, or any discharge under questionable circumstances, this would be significant IMO.

By the same reference, it would be equally significant if HD suddenly left his position with the police department and began working at UPS. I'm sure that would be immediately discussed on this forum if that had happened. Come on now, be honest.

Merriam Webster's Online Dictionary
(3) : deserving of respect : HONORABLE <in good standing>


Quote:
Originally Posted by RCM-715 View Post
If I remember correctly, I cleared this question many posts ago. MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession. I personally know this as FACT. This question has been answered twice now. He may leave the state or states any time and to travel to other countries. It's okay for me to share with you that MH has been out of the country in the past few months. He is also attending college to complete an additional degree.
We all know why this question was even brought up again..........anytime the focus is on a certain person......well, you know the story. Over and Out

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=266543&page=105



JMHO

[BroadwayJoe]

No reflection on MH? Come on now, be honest.

"HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort. Alternatively, MH, the fiercely defended Army Ranger type, now appears to have totally abandoned this coveted position in exchange for delivering UPS packages in his local area."

None whatsoever fsbiii.

If HD had been the one to change jobs my post would have been the same, with the emphasis on HD instead. Fact remains, he wasn't the one. MH was.

[BroadwayJoe]

Odette, does your post indicate MH has been discharged from the military? If so, for what reason?

[The R]

The second quote box contains two sentences taken from the original quote, which I wished to address.

OK and thanks.....(sometimes it takes me a while!)

R

[odette]

Odette, does your post indicate MH has been discharged from the military? If so, for what reason?

No, quite the opposite actually. As RCM-715 posted ... "MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession. I personally know this as FACT." To me that reads that MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession.

Merriam Webster's Online Dictionary
(3) : deserving of respect : HONORABLE <in good standing>


Quote:
Originally Posted by RCM-715 View Post
If I remember correctly, I cleared this question many posts ago. MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession. I personally know this as FACT. This question has been answered twice now. He may leave the state or states any time and to travel to other countries. It's okay for me to share with you that MH has been out of the country in the past few months. He is also attending college to complete an additional degree.
We all know why this question was even brought up again..........anytime the focus is on a certain person......well, you know the story. Over and Out

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showt...66543&page=105


JMHO

[concernedperson]

Did you mean "smuggle"? In any case, I would like to see the forum narrow the theories down as well.

Probably a poor choice of words. I wants us to tighten the boundaries and expand as needed but not go off into netherland.I feel that clues are right in front of us and we are missing them. Or we don't understand what we are seeing.

I almost feel that early media reports were programmed by sources that may have had another agenda. Some of this is way too orchestrated and the same song has been sung for a long time.

As usual, I bring up more questions than I have answers for...frustrating.

[dixinites]

OK, so if either of these POIs changed jobs (honorably or otherwise, since they both work in government positions), I could see how the nosy among us would want to know the circumstances of their resignation /dismissal...

My point is that it is not relevent to the case. The sheer magnitude of the scrutiny to which BOTH of these men have been subject to in the course of this investigation would be enough, in my opinion, to adversely affect their jobs. So, unless one of them has been ARRESTED and lost their job, I really don't see the point in alot of spam posting about it.

If either of them went to work for Burger King, I don't see it as a guilt or innocence issue. If someone else does, then by all means, sleuth it out for heavens sakes. I just see it as looking REALLY hard for something to discuss or investigate. JMO and I'm stickin' to it.

[concernedperson]

OK, so if either of these POIs changed jobs (honorably or otherwise, since they both work in government positions), I could see how the nosy among us would want to know the circumstances of their resignation /dismissal...

My point is that it is not relevent to the case. The sheer magnitude of the scrutiny to which BOTH of these men have been subject to in the course of this investigation would be enough, in my opinion, to adversely affect their jobs. So, unless one of them has been ARRESTED and lost their job, I really don't see the point in alot of spam posting about it.

If either of them went to work for Burger King, I don't see it as a guilt or innocence issue. If someone else does, then by all means, sleuth it out for heavens sakes. I just see it as looking REALLY hard for something to discuss or investigate. JMO and I'm stickin' to it.

See I am with you on this. This is what I was talking about in an earlier post. Too much emphasis on inconsequential elements.Hell, I was fired two weeks before xmas because I was spending too much time with my seriously ill daughter. Did I kill someone? No, I did not. Does adverse conditions affect your job security...yes it does. No matter what the situation. Employers want you married to them.

IMO, Tara was murdered. There are multiple possibilities. Not just the two men who are the main focus....there are others that could play.

[dixinites]

tighten the boundaries and expand as needed but not go off into netherland.I feel that clues are right in front of us and we are missing them. Or we don't understand what we are seeing.

I almost feel that early media reports were programmed by sources that may have had another agenda. Some of this is way too orchestrated and the same song has been sung for a long time.

I, too, would like to see the forum narrow down to some viable theories. I doubt at this stage of the game that there are many fence sitters left among us. We can all be open to other ideas, but I'm guessing everyone has formulated a "short list" by now of what they think happened to Tara and at whose hand.

I would like to participate in discussion about where we should be looking for Tara and how best to do so.

She existed!!! She's out there somewhere, she didn't vanish off the face of the earth! I just don't know how we're going to find her...

[RCM-715]

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This is all my own opinion, but when it comes right down to it, aren't ALL posters confident of their sources once they post information obtained from those "trusted" sources? There will be no truth or progress in this case unless and until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases. JMHO.

IMO, some of the facts speak for themselves. HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort.

Alternatively, MH, the fiercely defended Army Ranger type, now appears to have totally abandoned this coveted position in exchange for delivering UPS packages in his local area.

Tara is still missing.

JH has dropped out of sight.

The local police appear to have filed this case away, yet the GBI have not.

Key people have changed their opinions of others.

Suddenly.

Drug busts are right and left and north and south of Ocilla.

(According to my trusted source) MH continues to quietly deliver UPS packages, and once a very vocal son of a gun, is suddenly quiet.

Why?

Mr. Moe Joe here's some info. for you. Once a 1/75th Army Ranger....always a 1/75th Army Ranger! Something you wouldn't know anything about though. There's no "Type" just the real thing man! Regarding the UPS thing.....MH was assisting a family member that requested his help for a few days during the holidays. There are tons of packages to deliver, MH was on break from school and decided to help him out. The family member is employed with UPS full time. UPS hires temps in order to get all the packages delivered on time. Did you get yours? So, there you go Joe Blow. Hope this doesn't disappoint you too much. MH is no longer doing the UPS thing. And the being vocal/quite thing.....he was never the vocal one. If you remember correctly it was AG that was vocal. MH isn't suddenly quiet, he's just living his life. Now, there you go Joe with answers to your statements. By the way, how is your buddy HD doing these days? We just don't hear anything up here.....could be the snow Joe. -Over-

[fsbiii]

Thanks for the info, RCM. Give Oprah my best!

[RCM-715]

Thanks for the info, RCM. Give Oprah my best!

I'll do it man.

[Esah]

Thanks RCM for sharing about MH. It's nice to actually get the truth about something. This case could use a lot more of that.

I was just thinking, has anyone even given MH the credit of Tara's deep love for him? If we are to repsect Tara (which I do) then why wouldn't the man of her dreams deserve the same respect? I think Tara would be furious about the slamming he has gotten. Sure they had their ups and downs, but the bottom line is that Tara wanted MH over any other man. At least that is what I have summized over the past year. When do we show MH some respect instead of just continual suspect?

Oh, I can hear some of you already scramblin for the keyboard. I know that everyone needs to be scrutinized and I am not leaving MH out of this. All that I am saying is 'don't for get that Tara really loves him'.

I guess I get my dander up when people try to box up things and make them not up for a debate, and I finally had to vent it. If we are to learn anything from this case, it should be that anything in life is possible.

[Results]

Since we have the true story about the UPS and MH...why don't you tell the truth now? You deliberately with malice came to the boards to spread a lie. You are the one that said you have "sources with brains". So, are you saying that your sources deliberately with malice told you a lie to post on this board? I don't take kindly to you coming to this board bring false statements in which you tell half a story and leave the most important one out like PART TIME AS A FAVOR TO A FAMILY MEMBER....THAT SHOULD RING A BELL FOR YOU! HELLO! It is no wonder why no one kind find Tara. You have shown me that you will come to this board and distract it with malice intent. You have nothing to say that I want to hear. You were asked many questions to find out about HD but you came on this board and tried to make sure we forgot and we bumped those questions and you ignored them. All I have to say now is you can join the ignore! JMHO

[odette]

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This is all my own opinion, but when it comes right down to it, aren't ALL posters confident of their sources once they post information obtained from those "trusted" sources? There will be no truth or progress in this case unless and until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases. JMHO.

IMO, some of the facts speak for themselves. HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort.

Alternatively, MH, the fiercely defended Army Ranger type, now appears to have totally abandoned this coveted position in exchange for delivering UPS packages in his local area.

Tara is still missing.

JH has dropped out of sight.

The local police appear to have filed this case away, yet the GBI have not.

Key people have changed their opinions of others.

Suddenly.

Drug busts are right and left and north and south of Ocilla.

(According to my trusted source) MH continues to quietly deliver UPS packages, and once a very vocal son of a gun, is suddenly quiet.

Why?

(According to my trusted source) MH continues to quietly deliver UPS packages, and once a very vocal son of a gun, is suddenly quiet.


Is this the same "trusted source" whom you said you were going to ask, regarding my question, "Did HD report for duty at the Perry Police Department on Monday 24 October 2005"? :rolleyes:

JMHO

[Results]

Is this the same "trusted source" whom you said you were going to ask, regarding my question, "Did HD report for duty at the Perry Police Department on Monday 24 October 2005"? :rolleyes:

JMHO

IF it would have benefited HD to go in his favor of that Monday we probably would have already heard about it. The silence speaks volumes. I wouldn't trust BJ or his "trusted source" to walk my dog. That is all I got to say about it! JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Results, the silence does speak volumes. You know how an ostrich will hide its head in the sand thinking it can't be seen because it cannot see? Well, I think HD/AG/LG have their heads so far into it that they're going to be totally shocked when it hits the fan. IMO, LE has a clue, they're just working it. JMHO.

I fully agree.I also believe LE has a CLUE AND ARE WORKING IT !!!!!! HD,AG & LG think they're smart(?) but I believe they're going to be OUTSMARTED by LE. Ya'll remember how Saddam tried to run and hide and was finally found HIDING IN A SMALL HOLE IN THE GROUND???Totally unlelated but just an example..
MOO, JMHO
brainstorm

[odette]

IF it would have benefited HD to go in his favor of that Monday we probably would have already heard about it. The silence speaks volumes. I wouldn't trust BJ or his "trusted source" to walk my dog. That is all I got to say about it! JMHO

Totally agree ... AND the same goes for the LDT ... Why have we NEVER heard if he has taken a LDT?. Surely, if he had taken one and he passed it, we would have heard about it by now?. The silence is deafening.


JMHO

[Results]

Please do not forget to post a Happy Birthday to Roxanne today! FW has provided a link at the very top of Tara's forum for easy access to the site. Roxanne's Mothers post was heart breaking! Thank you!

[Brainstorm]

I stopped by here tonight fully expecting to read a post by BroadwayJoe.I thought he had a trusted source and was going to give us some answers.My question is where is HD theses days.He was so concerned about Tara that weekend she went missing.Did he go down aferwards and help search for Tara?Was/is he at the Tara Center trying to help and find answers?
IMO the other POI's have cooperated with LE(its my understanding)thatMH even got out and helped search.
Esah said something in his post about Tara loving MH and wanted him above all others.Could that be why(IMOO)HD (IMO)harmed Tara?If he would explain his actions we could quit being so suspicious.If he's not trying to find Tara could it be that HE KNOWS where she is? Just asking.Where is BJ?Did he just stop by to sling mud and has dissapeared?
JMHO

[concernedperson]

Georgia is not really a back woods State. Yet, Lynn Adams has not been recovered and it is obvious that her SO had something to do with it. Tara is another example.

I am a resident of Georgia and have been for most of my adult life. I cannot understand the need to have a perfect prosecution when so many are grieving.

I contacted LE here in Georgia when Sean Gillis was arrested. The detective was like duh! I said his mother lives here and here is her address and phone number. Atlanta has had a string of prostitute murders just like Louisiana. He confessed to those and it is likely he visited his mother at some point.Not saying he did those crimes but wouldn't you look?

A lot of laziness. A lot of no real clues fall into the lap of no concern.It is up to us to keep the wheels turning. I hope I haven't offended LE but if I have, please do more and if I can help, call me.

[odette]

I stopped by here tonight fully expecting to read a post by BroadwayJoe.I thought he had a trusted source and was going to give us some answers.My question is where is HD theses days.He was so concerned about Tara that weekend she went missing.Did he go down aferwards and help search for Tara?Was/is he at the Tara Center trying to help and find answers?
IMO the other POI's have cooperated with LE(its my understanding)thatMH even got out and helped search.
Esah said something in his post about Tara loving MH and wanted him above all others.Could that be why(IMOO)HD (IMO)harmed Tara?If he would explain his actions we could quit being so suspicious.If he's not trying to find Tara could it be that HE KNOWS where she is? Just asking.Where is BJ?Did he just stop by to sling mud and has dissapeared?
JMHO

(its my understanding)thatMH even got out and helped search.

Yes, MH did help in the search for Tara. You can go to below link and read these posts where it is explained in some detail how MH contributed.

The Men in this Case: Discusssion
Post #354 & Post #356

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=266543&page=18

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Thanks Odette,I read those posts again.Also while reading this same thread,I noticed HD was not mentioned until March 18,2006.Were posts deleted that told the story of how and when he became involved? I read that phone interview where he stated he hadn't seen Tara for weeks prior to her vanishing.That was obviously not true.Did he or AG not tell LE he was in town that weekend?Was Dr. Godwin the one that placed him at Taras' house or had it already come out?
Seems like the more I read,the more I get suspicious.

JMHO,MOO,IMO

[odette]

Thanks Odette,I read those posts again.Also while reading this same thread,I noticed HD was not mentioned until March 18,2006.Were posts deleted that told the story of how and when he became involved? I read that phone interview where he stated he hadn't seen Tara for weeks prior to her vanishing.That was obviously not true.Did he or AG not tell LE he was in town that weekend?Was Dr. Godwin the one that placed him at Taras' house or had it already come out?
Seems like the more I read,the more I get suspicious.

JMHO,MOO,IMO

The fact that HD was in Tara's yard after midnight on Monday 24 October, was released in the statement below on 3.19.06. There was never any mention of it in the media prior to this.

Released 3.19.06: Dr. Maurice Godwin has provided the following statement after his recent visit.
"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."
http://www.findtara.com/

JMHO

[fsbiii]

Always wondered, and may have discussed & forgotten--where does Popcorn get the 5:00 am closing window for Tara's attack & abduction? Was that the first time HD called Tara and didn't get an answer on Sunday? Why not 6:00 am? 10:00 am?

[Its just me]

Always wondered, and may have discussed & forgotten--where does Popcorn get the 5:00 am closing window for Tara's attack & abduction? Was that the first time HD called Tara and didn't get an answer on Sunday? Why not 6:00 am? 10:00 am?


To my knowledge Dr. G "Popcorn" never told where or how he got his time frame. My guess would be that someone had to have tried to contact Tara at 5:00 AM for this to make any sense. Wonder who would be contacting Tara at 5:00 am. Maybe Popcorn will shed some light on this. I just hope he does not say it was IJM that called. :D

[odette]

Always wondered, and may have discussed & forgotten--where does Popcorn get the 5:00 am closing window for Tara's attack & abduction? Was that the first time HD called Tara and didn't get an answer on Sunday? Why not 6:00 am? 10:00 am?

FWIW .. If Dr Godwin came to this conclusion by way of anything HD may have told him, I would take it with a grain of salt.


JMHO

[fsbiii]

Such as the glove NOT being in the yard until after HD's visit Monday morning...

I tend to agree with you 110%, Odette. I'll put that grain of salt on my popcorn and eat it up.

FWIW .. If Dr Godwin came to this conclusion by way of anything HD may have told him, I would take it with a grain of salt.

JMHO

[Myma]

It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!
"snipped from above"
why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers?

Results, Please let us know how you found this tidbit of info out? I did not think Dr. Godwin had been back to Ocilla or Irwin County? Please link or give more info on this new revelation.

[Results]

"snipped from above"
why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers?

Results, Please let us know how you found this tidbit of info out? I did not think Dr. Godwin had been back to Ocilla or Irwin County? Please link or give more info on this new revelation.

Well .. look-a-here .. first post myma and you want to know something like that ... hmmmmm. Please show me where I said he went?????????? TIA

[fsbiii]

Nice catch, Results! :)

[TuscanDreams]

I, too, would like to see the forum narrow down to some viable theories. I doubt at this stage of the game that there are many fence sitters left among us. We can all be open to other ideas, but I'm guessing everyone has formulated a "short list" by now of what they think happened to Tara and at whose hand.

I would like to participate in discussion about where we should be looking for Tara and how best to do so.

She existed!!! She's out there somewhere, she didn't vanish off the face of the earth! I just don't know how we're going to find her...

Here's my problem with posting who I theorize took Tara- if I'm wrong, I'll be accusing someone of murder. '

I have a pretty concise theory but don't feel too comfy posting it, maybe others feel the same way? My short list is 2 people, one did it and the other covered up the crime.

As to my theory, I will say this, the wife of one of the POI is my main suspect and her husband helped to cover this up. ;)

[Brainstorm]

Well,if the shoe fits...........
A rose by any other name is still a rose..........

I will be the first to apoligize to HD,AG,LG,HD's wife,whoever need be,if I am proven wrong,but I HAVE POSTED MY THEORY of what I THINK happened.Those people could put a stop to this whole thing if they had/would tell the truth.
JMHO

[concernedperson]

Here's my problem with posting who I theorize took Tara- if I'm wrong, I'll be accusing someone of murder. '

I have a pretty concise theory but don't feel too comfy posting it, maybe others feel the same way? My short list is 2 people, one did it and the other covered up the crime.

As to my theory, I will say this, the wife of one of the POI is my main suspect and her husband helped to cover this up. ;)

Someone on another forum posted about Tara's nightstand.This poster made my ears ring.What if Tara had a pistol in her drawer? She realized she was in trouble and she reached for it in a hurry and the lamp and clock were knocked askew. Someone took it away and herded her out the door. I am not opposed to your theory at all.

At all.

[dixinites]

As to my theory, I will say this, the wife of one of the POI is my main suspect and her husband helped to cover this up. ;)

Ditto, kiddo....which is why I would like to see the search area expanded.

[Results]

Here's my problem with posting who I theorize took Tara- if I'm wrong, I'll be accusing someone of murder. '

I have a pretty concise theory but don't feel too comfy posting it, maybe others feel the same way? My short list is 2 people, one did it and the other covered up the crime.

As to my theory, I will say this, the wife of one of the POI is my main suspect and her husband helped to cover this up. ;)

You could be right and if you are right then someone kept the children of that POI because HD wasn't home. I find it hard to believe that GD was involved. I can't grasp that theory. I think that she has been very hurt of learning about Tara. I will never believe she took her kids with her. I believe for your theory to work she had to have a babysitter. The question would be did she have someone watch her kids that night? JMHO

FWIW I believe HD knows where Tara is and I certainly believe he acted alone. JMHO

[odette]

You could be right and if you are right then someone kept the children of that POI because HD wasn't home. I find it hard to believe that GD was involved. I can't grasp that theory. I think that she has been very hurt of learning about Tara. I will never believe she took her kids with her. I believe for your theory to work she had to have a babysitter. The question would be did she have someone watch her kids that night? JMHO

FWIW I believe HD knows where Tara is and I certainly believe he acted alone. JMHO

I don't believe that GD had anything whatsoever to do with Tara's disappearance. She was most probably waiting at home wondering where the heck her husband was AGAIN. IMO

JMHO

[Results]

I don't believe that GD had anything whatsoever to do with Tara's disappearance. She was most probably waiting at home wondering where the heck her husband was AGAIN. IMO

JMHO

ITA and not to mention she had two very young children at home to take care of and works. That just makes me so mad. Another thing is if GD was involved then why would she leave HD? You would think she needed him in her pocket since he covered for her. She left because she found out about Tara and HD! I firmly believe that. Her leaving him is what makes it very difficult to believe that he covered for her and she harmed Tara. It doesn't fit. JMHO

[dixinites]

It was a weekend and she could have had a sitter. Just as we can't seem to determine whether or not HD worked Mon, we can't say if she had a sitter or not. I'm not saying that he may not have done it alone, but she is still on my POI list.

[Results]

I want to add something to this business card thing that has been bothering me lately. According to Dr Godwin HD left his business card in Tara's door when he was there in Tara's yard. Then a glove appears in Tara's yard after HD left because HD didn't see the glove which in Dr Godwin's mind means the perp came after HD left. That doesn't make sense. We are to believe that a perp that committed a crime goes to Tara's house and see's the card from a LE Officer and this perp says who cares and enters Tara's house and puts the card back in the door after he leaves. This perp that is so smart didn't say hmmm they maybe watching the house and left immediately? I find that hard to believe and also there are people who says the card was seen in the daytime on Sunday. If this is true and not rumored then the card issue IMO was to keep anyone away from Tara's house until HD could get back and if he did leave the card in the daytime then once again he lied and said he put it in there at 12:15 AM. The last thing I think is important is why would HD go at that time of night? Why not go to her house at 6 AM when she would be getting ready for work and would be there unless he knew she wouldn't be there. That throws a red flag to me. He broke his parking habits when he went to Tara's that night, why would he do this IF he was only going to Tara's to talk to her? HD has put hisself front and center in this case. Not people accusing him without any evidence because what we have so far is everything pointing to him. A friend of mine asked me a question that I would like to repeat and he said "Why aren't the LE riding him like a bull"? I have to agree why aren't they? Now again an issue comes up with the necklace....was it missed or not? I think it is important and most people don't think it is nothing just a fluke! It could be so important but we can't find out the truth on that simple matter. Then the lights neighbors say no lights on at Tara's Sunday when they got home, HD says dim light, and Monday porch light on and jack-o-lantern lights on. Yet for some reason this isn't important. Why hasn't HD released an alibi so we can move on? MH did and he got his alibi was too perfect! All I have to say is at least he had one and he had it published. When Dr LG got mad because people were saying things about him he set the record straight and raised holy hell. But HD does nothing to give as an alibi and he won't release one so evidentally IMO he doesn't have one. How many times are we going to excuse HD for his behavior, for his false statements in a short and sweet interview. The calls some posters claim he is acting like a love sick pup but how do you explain all the others things? The more I dig on HD is when I found out more and more about this "love sick pup" and folks it is not that and if we come to the point to say he couldn't have done it or he is the "golden boy" then he wins and I'm not about to see that happen if I can help it. I'm not on HD because I don't like him because I don't know him. I will say his behavior and his actions makes me so mad and brings me to the opinion of HE KNOWS SOMETHING! He has answers and if he don't want to provide them then you have to ask why would he not? JMHO as always

[Results]

It was a weekend and she could have had a sitter. Just as we can't seem to determine whether or not HD worked Mon, we can't say if she had a sitter or not. I'm not saying that he may not have done it alone, but she is still on my POI list.

You have the right to your opinion and I'm not here to change it. I posted what I thought didn't make sense of her being a POI. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Esah posted on the other thread and its obvious he/she has talked to Anita. The gist was of course about MH. Could Esah possibly get some answers about HD's actions.Could she find out why AG tried to cover for HD?There's been enough finger pointing at Marcus Harper.Lets find out what Heath ****s was really doing that weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JMHO

[fsbiii]

There might be some confusion about different 'gatherings' at the bunkhouse here. I can't recall how many times they met there and/or the occasion. There was a fish fry or something when Godwin was down the first time, right? Maybe some follow up meetings when Haunting Evidence aired? Not sure. Godwin obviously has left the building as far as the Gattises are concerned, IMO. And lest we forget the erasure of all Popcorn's postings here. JMOO.

[Results]

04-07-2006, 11:20 PM
gacountry
Member Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: South Georgia
Posts: 185

A Celebration For Tara's Family and Dr. Godwin

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Tonight a group of Tara searchers hosted a BBQ for Dr. Godwin and the Grinstead family. It was given at the Luke Farm Bunkhouse. We wanted it to be a relaxing night for Larry, Anita, Dr. Godwin and the Tara Center management crew. The group gathered around and before our meal Dr. Gattis gave Grace thanking God for all who helped with the Tara searches, and thanked God for Tara and the life she lived. He asked that the food be blessed for the nourishment of our bodies and our bodies to God Service.
We were delighted that Dr. Gattis brought his Bluegrass Band and entertained us. His group is wonderful with Gabe playing guitar, and his dad Larry playing the banjo. Anita's eyes glowed with pride as she watched her guys play.
We all relaxed, enjoyed each other and celebrated Tara's Life and Dreams. The food was wonderful and the Luke brothers were very graciousl to allow us the use of "The Bunkhouse."
Dr. Godwin is a very interesting man and he enjoyed the food and fellowship. He has spend his time searching new leads into the Tara case and he will stick with us until we find Tara.

Originally posted by Justice4Tara
It was great for Dr. Godwin to be able to relax for awhile after the numerous interviews he completed during the course of the week. He's making great progress this Tara's case and he should be highly commended by all. Of course, finally getting a photo of the truck seen at Tara's at 5:30AM was real cause for celebration with the family.

[Brainstorm]

Just wondering,if anyone knows,was Heath ****s at any of those "gatherings", acting concerned for his "close friend"

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

04-07-2006, 11:20 PM
gacountry
Member Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: South Georgia
Posts: 185

A Celebration For Tara's Family and Dr. Godwin

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Tonight a group of Tara searchers hosted a BBQ for Dr. Godwin and the Grinstead family. It was given at the Luke Farm Bunkhouse. We wanted it to be a relaxing night for Larry, Anita, Dr. Godwin and the Tara Center management crew. The group gathered around and before our meal Dr. Gattis gave Grace thanking God for all who helped with the Tara searches, and thanked God for Tara and the life she lived. He asked that the food be blessed for the nourishment of our bodies and our bodies to God Service.
We were delighted that Dr. Gattis brought his Bluegrass Band and entertained us. His group is wonderful with Gabe playing guitar, and his dad Larry playing the banjo. Anita's eyes glowed with pride as she watched her guys play.
We all relaxed, enjoyed each other and celebrated Tara's Life and Dreams. The food was wonderful and the Luke brothers were very graciousl to allow us the use of "The Bunkhouse."
Dr. Godwin is a very interesting man and he enjoyed the food and fellowship. He has spend his time searching new leads into the Tara case and he will stick with us until we find Tara.

Originally posted by Justice4Tara
It was great for Dr. Godwin to be able to relax for awhile after the numerous interviews he completed during the course of the week. He's making great progress this Tara's case and he should be highly commended by all. Of course, finally getting a photo of the truck seen at Tara's at 5:30AM was real cause for celebration with the family.


Thanks for that post. Why is Dr. Godwin no longer "sticking with us until we find Tara"?Was what Dr. G found out not to their liking? Also what about the photo?

JMHO

[fsbiii]

Offense intended, I'd take anything said by J4T with a little less than a grain of salt. Most of it was BS just spouted to appear important and in the know, IMO.

[Results]

Offense intended, I'd take anything said by J4T with a little less than a grain of salt. Most of it was BS just spouted to appear important and in the know, IMO.

fsbiii,

I'm glad to see you posting again because you always had that talent for those clever punch lines! :lol:

:beer:

[minga]

HD has put hisself front and center in this case. Not people accusing him without any evidence because what we have so far is everything pointing to him. A friend of mine asked me a question that I would like to repeat and he said "Why aren't the LE riding him like a bull"? I have to agree why aren't they? .................. How many times are we going to excuse HD for his behavior, for his false statements in a short and sweet interview.

I would answer that question with the point that LE probably doesn't believe HD is guilty. Of course I don't know, none of us know. There is very little that we actually do know. I am sure that HD being in the front of this with ongoing talks with GBI and other LE, he may have handled the questions in a manner that didn't arouse their suspicion and still doesn't. But on the other hand they very well may be looking at him and we don't know it. They haven't let any real facts out. I think it was decided that the only real fact LE has confirmed is that Tara is missing.

I don't know if HD is guilty. I can see it both ways. As much as I could argue him guilty, I could also argue him innocent. There are signs that point both ways. So I can't point fingers at HD as easily as I can at someone else. I can see the points you are making, but I can see counterpoints as well.

You've been asking the question for a long time now, why HD didn't go to LE if he didn't do it, why he wouldn't break in or go get help. No one has said anything in answer to that (if someone has I apologize) but my thought is that if he did he would be letting the cat out of the bag, so to speak. If GD didn't know about his possible affair before she certainly would then. That kind of public humiliation would be a tremendous force that would destroy a lot in their lives. And before HD is taken down for that I would say MOST men probably wouldn't put themselves in that spot when they have so much to lose. Some men would, but not very many of them. If he hadn't been married he probably would have gone to OPD or broken in on his own. In my opinion that might not make him much of a man, but it doesn't make him guilty. I am not saying HD might not be guilty of this, but I need more convincing. If he's not guilty part of his crying at the station could have related to his being torn at the decision he made, he gambled and lost. That could have been part of his hanging around. There are some other scenarios that could fit this behavior without him being guilty. And the same goes for the "short and sweet interview". He would be cutting his own throat if he answered differently, hoping the affair didn't come out. IMO

There are too many facts missing to be able to be to say who actually may have done this, if she is dead. I believe other people have just as much reason (in a sick mind that is) to take care of Tara in a bad way. It's all speculation until there are facts, even my belief that it was another woman and man. Among many things, a part of what's missing is the true nature of Tara's and HD's relationship, if HD was just getting it on the side or if he was actually in love with her. I would also want to know if HD has a habit of affairs or if that was only one indescretion. Those answers would tell me a much more in depth story.

This is a very frustrating case especially with the lack of answers and details. We could make a case for almost anyone as long as LE gives no real answers. All IMO, of course.

[Results]

You've been asking the question for a long time now, why HD didn't go to LE if he didn't do it, why he wouldn't break in or go get help. No one has said anything in answer to that (if someone has I apologize) but my thought is that if he did he would be letting the cat out of the bag, so to speak. If GD didn't know about his possible affair before she certainly would then. That kind of public humiliation would be a tremendous force that would destroy a lot in their lives. And before HD is taken down for that I would say MOST men probably wouldn't put themselves in that spot when they have so much to lose. Some men would, but not very many of them. If he hadn't been married he probably would have gone to OPD or broken in on his own. In my opinion that might not make him much of a man, but it doesn't make him guilty. I am not saying HD might not be guilty of this, but I need more convincing. .

I sure have been asking questions a long time and not just one. I don't intend to stop asking the same questions over and over again in the hopes that maybe they will give an answer. I am not here to convince you that HD is guilty or not or anyone else for that matter. I have asked questions after questions with no answers. But, hey we can get posters on here saying MH slept in a coffin when he was younger, MH this and MH that we get to know all about MH and by golly we can even know that MH delivered packages for UPS. Frankly I'm tired of it. You say HD didn't get help because he was married and that would let the cat out of the bag. Yet Tara was in danger is the whole point of his concern, the whole point of the 90 mile drive one way to Tara's house in the middle of the night and he doesn't get help because he is married? I agree to disagree with you. You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine. I have no respect for HD none what so ever and that is just how I feel. A REAL MAN would have been worried about taking care of his 2 small children and his wife...you know the thing called family. JMHO

[Results]

Left out that the coffin thing with MH was an exageration from the truth. The UPS exageration of the truth. Why? Is there no bad information that some people are willing to come to this board and lose their credability? JMHO

[fsbiii]

Muchas gracias! Should we discuss the crop duster and press conference next? How about Tara's voice-activated-recorder? I bet Dr. G has all of that in an evidence bag though.

fsbiii,

I'm glad to see you posting again because you always had that talent for those clever punch lines! :lol:

:beer:

[RCM-715]

Muchas gracias! Should we discuss the crop duster and press conference next? How about Tara's voice-activated-recorder? I bet Dr. G has all of that in an evidence bag though.

This is so true amigo!

[TuscanDreams]

You could be right and if you are right then someone kept the children of that POI because HD wasn't home. I find it hard to believe that GD was involved. I can't grasp that theory. I think that she has been very hurt of learning about Tara. I will never believe she took her kids with her. I believe for your theory to work she had to have a babysitter. The question would be did she have someone watch her kids that night? JMHO

FWIW I believe HD knows where Tara is and I certainly believe he acted alone. JMHO

HD isn't who I meant. I have another suspect in mind. Tara did not deserve whatever happened to her and let's be honest, she had a lot of men in her life. She's single and it's legal, so I'm I'm not bagging on her by any means.

[concernedperson]

HD isn't who I meant. I have another suspect in mind. Tara did not deserve whatever happened to her and let's be honest, she had a lot of men in her life. She's single and it's legal, so I'm I'm not bagging on her by any means.

I understand.

[Results]

HD isn't who I meant. I have another suspect in mind. Tara did not deserve whatever happened to her and let's be honest, she had a lot of men in her life. She's single and it's legal, so I'm I'm not bagging on her by any means.

That is interesting I didn't know of another POI that was married. Going to have to find out who this is. Thanks for answering me.

[Brainstorm]

Everything I've read and heard points to HD.He's the one who lied about it being "weeks" since he'd last seen Tara,then OOOOPPPPs,Dr.G figured out he'd been right there in her yard THE NIGHT in question.Add to that all those phone calls. I don't think HD was so worried about "letting the cat out of the bag" I think he was worried that someone might suspect he had killed Tara.
JMHO, of course.Someone prove me wrong.

Also,Results,I'm with you.WE NEED TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS UNTIL WE GET ANSWERS !!!!!!

[BroadwayJoe]

IMO, Tara was murdered. There are multiple possibilities. Not just the two men who are the main focus....there are others that could play.

I have recently heard some rumblings about a doctor with the initials KP. Anyone have info to share on this if he is connected in any way to this case? If not, no need for a response.

[gacountry]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Results View Post
It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!

Originally Posted by Myma View Post
"snipped from above"
why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers?

Results, Please let us know how you found this tidbit of info out? I did not think Dr. Godwin had been back to Ocilla or Irwin County? Please link or give more info on this new revelation.

This information was orginally posted by Gacountry, who is one of the searchers and who attended this dinner, IIRC. Does anyone else remember that? LG and his son playing in their bluegrass band, AG proudly looking on, etc., etc.,?????

OK, I did go to the meeting at the Bunkhouse but it sure was not on the night of the Luminary Service! We were there to observe this sad night as a group of searchers and we did NOT go to the bunkhouse that night. No one was in the mood to celebrate. Thank you myma for trying with your 1st post, which reminds me we all have had 1st post at one time or another.
Gacountry

[fsbiii]

LG & AG? Have they been "cleared"? Don't answer that. I have no idea who Tuscan is talking about--but LG has been questioned many times and poly'd (by his own admissions on tv and to Larry Hairnet)--so I'd say he's a POI with a wife. JMOO......

That is interesting I didn't know of another POI that was married. Going to have to find out who this is. Thanks for answering me.

[concernedperson]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Results View Post
It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!

Originally Posted by Myma View Post
"snipped from above"
why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers?

Results, Please let us know how you found this tidbit of info out? I did not think Dr. Godwin had been back to Ocilla or Irwin County? Please link or give more info on this new revelation.



OK, I did go to the meeting at the Bunkhouse but it sure was not on the night of the Luminary Service! We were there to observe this sad night as a group of searchers and we did NOT go to the bunkhouse that night. No one was in the mood to celebrate. Thank you myma for trying with your 1st post, which reminds me we all have had 1st post at one time or another.
Gacountry


I am sure you weren't in a celebratory mood.

[Brainstorm]

I have recently heard some rumblings about a doctor with the initials KP. Anyone have info to share on this if he is connected in any way to this case? If not, no need for a response.

JMHO but I think BJ is trying to deflect us from the subject of HD.

[concernedperson]

I have recently heard some rumblings about a doctor with the initials KP. Anyone have info to share on this if he is connected in any way to this case? If not, no need for a response.

The only doctor I know of is LG.

[fsbiii]

Rumblings! Please elaborate!

[Results]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Results View Post
It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!

Originally Posted by Myma View Post
"snipped from above"
why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers?

Results, Please let us know how you found this tidbit of info out? I did not think Dr. Godwin had been back to Ocilla or Irwin County? Please link or give more info on this new revelation.



OK, I did go to the meeting at the Bunkhouse but it sure was not on the night of the Luminary Service! We were there to observe this sad night as a group of searchers and we did NOT go to the bunkhouse that night. No one was in the mood to celebrate. Thank you myma for trying with your 1st post, which reminds me we all have had 1st post at one time or another.
Gacountry

Don't come in here trying to start something with me. I posted your post with the date showing you didn't state anything about the 1st anniversary. You can say whatever you want to but the fact is I never said Dr Godwin went to the event and you can encourage myma all you want to to accuse people of saying things that they didn't but then again we know by now what to expect from that corner of the ring. JMHNO

[minga]

I sure have been asking questions a long time and not just one. I don't intend to stop asking the same questions over and over again in the hopes that maybe they will give an answer. I am not here to convince you that HD is guilty or not or anyone else for that matter. I have asked questions after questions with no answers. But, hey we can get posters on here saying MH slept in a coffin when he was younger, MH this and MH that we get to know all about MH and by golly we can even know that MH delivered packages for UPS. Frankly I'm tired of it. You say HD didn't get help because he was married and that would let the cat out of the bag. Yet Tara was in danger is the whole point of his concern, the whole point of the 90 mile drive one way to Tara's house in the middle of the night and he doesn't get help because he is married? I agree to disagree with you. You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine. I have no respect for HD none what so ever and that is just how I feel. A REAL MAN would have been worried about taking care of his 2 small children and his wife...you know the thing called family. JMHO

You have been asking questions for a long time and none are forthcoming about HD. I don't know why. I don't know if people are scared to say anything, I don't know if no one knows anything or if no one who comes here knows anything about him. It's just another one of those things that makes this very difficult. I wish if someone knew something they would have the guts to talk about it. It would certainly help to put more things into place. It could clear up a tremendous amount of gray area.

The Tara was in danger thing...I don't remember that as a FACT. Maybe I am mistaken but that came from LG and that remains rumor. You may certainly correct me if I am wrong, that's a big possiblility. Did HD ever say that? Who said that besides LG, AG and Dr.G? To the best of my knowledge it was all assumption that HD was protecting Tara. I'm still wondering what was the danger? I think that's BS from LG like most everything from him, Dr. G, and AG, all designed to take MH down.

I know that you have no respect for HD, that's beyond evident. He should have been with his family, but he wasn't, no matter how much you abhor that behavior it doesn't make him guilty of harming Tara. It happens, it's going to keep on happening no matter how much you hate it, but that doesn't make people guilty of murder. But that's your opinion and you are most welcome to it. My point was that he most likely didn't tell the truth especially to reporters etc. because he would make his affair public and he was hoping that wouldn't ever come to light. You can overlook that if you wish and talk about what he should have been doing...I don't disagree with where he should have been, but that doesn't make him guilty.

He could be guilty of everything, but he might not be guilty of anything except of adultery. I need concrete proof before I would hang him from the nearest tree. I think other people have more reason than HD to harm Tara. But as you like to say, that's just my opinion.

[gacountry]

Don't come in here trying to start something with me. I posted your post with the date showing you didn't state anything about the 1st anniversary. You can say whatever you want to but the fact is I never said Dr Godwin went to the event and you can encourage myma all you want to to accuse people of saying things that they didn't but then again we know by now what to expect from that corner of the ring. JMHNO

Quote:
Originally Posted by Results View Post
It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!

snipped from above:
Now if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers?

Now Results I am not starting anything with you OR anyone else. This is the part of your quote that started this whole thing. The meeting we had at the bunkhouse that Dr. Godwin attended was in April of 2006, that is the only one of the many get togethers we have had that he could attend. We as searchers did attend the Luminary service and voiced our appreciation for this event.
I did not mean to rain on your parade BUT I want it made clear that we did not meet at the Bunkhouse on the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance as was stated in your post.
I am not trying to defer the attention away from whatever the lastest post are JUST trying to keep the FACTS straight.
Thanks,
Gacountry

[BroadwayJoe]

JMHO Brainstorm, but you are wrong in assuming I am trying to deflect any topic, as I just asked a question if anyone knew of info concerning KP. If no information is forthcoming on it, then I will assume it's nothing. Many people have been discussed in this thread, not just HD.

[Brainstorm]

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This is all my own opinion, but when it comes right down to it, aren't ALL posters confident of their sources once they post information obtained from those "trusted" sources? There will be no truth or progress in this case unless and until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases. JMHO.

IMO, some of the facts speak for themselves. HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort.

Alternatively, MH, the fiercely defended Army Ranger type, now appears to have totally abandoned this coveted position in exchange for delivering UPS packages in his local area.

Tara is still missing.

JH has dropped out of sight.

The local police appear to have filed this case away, yet the GBI have not.

Key people have changed their opinions of others.

Suddenly.

Drug busts are right and left and north and south of Ocilla.

(According to my trusted source) MH continues to quietly deliver UPS packages, and once a very vocal son of a gun, is suddenly quiet.

Why?

"There will be no truth or progress in this case unless & until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases"

Then BJ throws out something about rumblings he/she has heard about a dr. with initials KP.Isnt this an obvious rumor?

JMHO

[fsbiii]

Put my vote in the "yes" box.

"There will be no truth or progress in this case unless & until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases"

Then BJ throws out something about rumblings he/she has heard about a dr. with initials KP.Isnt this an obvious rumor?

JMHO

[Results]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Results View Post
It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!

snipped from above:
Now if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers?

Now Results I am not starting anything with you OR anyone else. This is the part of your quote that started this whole thing. The meeting we had at the bunkhouse that Dr. Godwin attended was in April of 2006, that is the only one of the many get togethers we have had that he could attend. We as searchers did attend the Luminary service and voiced our appreciation for this event.
I did not mean to rain on your parade BUT I want it made clear that we did not meet at the Bunkhouse on the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance as was stated in your post.
I am not trying to defer the attention away from whatever the lastest post are JUST trying to keep the FACTS straight.
Thanks,
Gacountry

Gacountry, you know darn well that it is common knowledge that you went to the Luminary Service with several wearing your yellow shirts. Show me where I put a date on the 1st Anniversay of Tara missing that you guys had? I was very disappointed when I heard that the family was going to have one and Ocilla was going to have one and that the family would not go to this Luminary Service to represent Tara and keep this war zone out of it for just one night. You went and no one bothered you according to your post. So, if you didn't have a 1 year Anniversay with AG, friends, and searchers then someone from your camp lied. I don't believe that because my belief is you guys did it intentionally to hurt certain individuals. You tell me who is lying?

[Lindsey]

I have recently heard some rumblings about a doctor with the initials KP. Anyone have info to share on this if he is connected in any way to this case? If not, no need for a response.

I'd like to hear more about these rumblings. Is Dr. KP a friend of Dr. LG?

[Results]

I have recently heard some rumblings about a doctor with the initials KP. Anyone have info to share on this if he is connected in any way to this case? If not, no need for a response.

You need to stop right there because evidently you still have head trama where RCM-715 laid a smack down on you. JMHO

[Results]

You have been asking questions for a long time and none are forthcoming about HD. I don't know why. I don't know if people are scared to say anything, I don't know if no one knows anything or if no one who comes here knows anything about him. It's just another one of those things that makes this very difficult. I wish if someone knew something they would have the guts to talk about it. It would certainly help to put more things into place. It could clear up a tremendous amount of gray area.

The Tara was in danger thing...I don't remember that as a FACT. Maybe I am mistaken but that came from LG and that remains rumor. You may certainly correct me if I am wrong, that's a big possiblility. Did HD ever say that? Who said that besides LG, AG and Dr.G? To the best of my knowledge it was all assumption that HD was protecting Tara. I'm still wondering what was the danger? I think that's BS from LG like most everything from him, Dr. G, and AG, all designed to take MH down.

I know that you have no respect for HD, that's beyond evident. He should have been with his family, but he wasn't, no matter how much you abhor that behavior it doesn't make him guilty of harming Tara. It happens, it's going to keep on happening no matter how much you hate it, but that doesn't make people guilty of murder. But that's your opinion and you are most welcome to it. My point was that he most likely didn't tell the truth especially to reporters etc. because he would make his affair public and he was hoping that wouldn't ever come to light. You can overlook that if you wish and talk about what he should have been doing...I don't disagree with where he should have been, but that doesn't make him guilty.

He could be guilty of everything, but he might not be guilty of anything except of adultery. I need concrete proof before I would hang him from the nearest tree. I think other people have more reason than HD to harm Tara. But as you like to say, that's just my opinion.

Excellent post and your last sentence bravo tis so true!

[minga]

Excellent post and your last sentence bravo tis so true!


I expected the remark of course, but you still didn't answer my question.

[Results]

I expected the remark of course, but you still didn't answer my question.

Glad you know what to expect from me. Did not think you were asking me a question. I took your post as you stating your opinion of what you thought.

[Its just me]

Here's my problem with posting who I theorize took Tara- if I'm wrong, I'll be accusing someone of murder. '

I have a pretty concise theory but don't feel too comfy posting it, maybe others feel the same way? My short list is 2 people, one did it and the other covered up the crime.

As to my theory, I will say this, the wife of one of the POI is my main suspect and her husband helped to cover this up. ;)

We may not have the same poi but if HD did not do it himself I believe a wife/husband cover up. I also believe the wife/husband owns a black truck. I do not believe if these suspects are involved the body is in Irwin County. I also belive a suicide by an overdose is possible with a cover up by the source of the medications.

[One2Snoop]

JMHO Brainstorm, but you are wrong in assuming I am trying to deflect any topic, as I just asked a question if anyone knew of info concerning KP. If no information is forthcoming on it, then I will assume it's nothing. Many people have been discussed in this thread, not just HD.

I'd certainly appreciate anyone who comes in here flinging new initials would at least PM everyone to let them know who the heck their talking about - otherwise why say anything???? :shrug: It only looks like deflection to me. :punch: JMO

[odette]

I have recently heard some rumblings about a doctor with the initials KP. Anyone have info to share on this if he is connected in any way to this case? If not, no need for a response.

BroadwayJoe
<snip>(According to my trusted source) MH continues to quietly deliver UPS packages,.. <snip>

Are these "rumblings" coming from your "trusted source"?.:rolleyes:

BTW ... Still waiting for your response to my questions, ie Did HD report for duty at the Perry PD on Monday 24 October 2005 and has HD taken a LDT yet?. TIA

JMHO

[odette]

minga
Member
Thread: "The Men in this Case Discusssion" ~ Post #2189

<snip> My point was that he most likely didn't tell the truth especially to reporters etc. because he would make his affair public and he was hoping that wouldn't ever come to light.<snip>

FWIW I do not believe that HD was trying to keep his affair with Tara 'under wraps' ... good grief, half the town knew about the affair!. I believe that was the least of his worries at that point in time IMO. The 20+ messages from HD (Sunday 23 Oct.) left on Tara's answerphone, where he was heard professing his love for her ect, tells me that he wanted it to be 'known' that he loved Tara and that he was 'oh so concerned' about her whereabouts. I believe that he left all those messages for a 'specific reason, ie 'staged' them, for reasons known only to him. On the first Tara forum, it was posted that HD was heard crying on these answerphone messages as well. Fact or fiction I don't know, but that is what was posted. Seems to me that this man was doing quite a bit of crying that weekend and on into the Monday where he was witnessed crying in the OPD parking lot. Now, I don't know if HD has been polygraphed or not, (TMK It has never been reported that he has) but if he has not he certainly needs to be given a LDT and the results made public.


JMHO

[odette]

I'd certainly appreciate anyone who comes in here flinging new initials would at least PM everyone to let them know who the heck their talking about - otherwise why say anything???? :shrug: It only looks like deflection to me. :punch: JMO

More 'smoke and mirrors' IMO ... you know .. a cover-up, something that is intended to draw attention away from something else that somebody would prefer remain unnoticed.

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

More 'smoke and mirrors' IMO ... you know .. a cover-up, something that is intended to draw attention away from something else that somebody would prefer remain unnoticed.

JMHO

LOL - :lol: I did a survey at Yahoo Answers and I loved this response...

Well according to the Disney sitcom KP = Kim Possible lol but if other terms...it could also stand for kilopixel,and in the military, they use KP for kitchen police or kitchen patrol, as a term for mess hall duties and on a more downer note, KP can mean Kiddy porn, which is dirty, but it can mean a lot of things actually.... hope this helped.

:rolleyes: :seeya:

[odette]

Something else I would be very interested in knowing in regards to all these messages which HD left on Tara's answerphone on Sunday 23 October 2005 is this ... Has it ever been established where HD was geographically (by way of phone records) when he made all these calls?. Does HD have an alibi for Sunday?. Where exactly was he when he made those calls I wonder?.

FWIW, IMO, I think that all these calls were made to give the 'appearance' that he had no idea that Tara was missing ...


JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Anyone get any PMs from BJ expanding on his/her "rumblings" theory? If not I stand by my assumption that this was merely a rumor thrown in to deflect our discussion and questions concerning HD.
Odette,besides your questions of where HD was when placing these calls and was he at work on Monday and has he taken LDT I would like to know why HD lied on national television about the last time he had seen Tara.Are we supposed to believe that HE WAS ONLY GUILTY OF ADULTERY but WOULD NOT LIE about ANYTHING ELSE? IMO-a liar is a liar is a liar.

JMHO

[odette]

Anyone get any PMs from BJ expanding on his/her "rumblings" theory? If not I stand by my assumption that this was merely a rumor thrown in to deflect our discussion and questions concerning HD.
Odette,besides your questions of where HD was when placing these calls and was he at work on Monday and has he taken LDT I would like to know why HD lied on national television about the last time he had seen Tara.Are we supposed to believe that HE WAS ONLY GUILTY OF ADULTERY but WOULD NOT LIE about ANYTHING ELSE? IMO-a liar is a liar is a liar.

JMHO

TMK The only interview which HD has given in regards to Tara's disappearance was actually a brief telephone interview with Crime Library.

Crimelibrary ~ by Seamus McGraw
In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last
seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." ****s, who has been
cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a
close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the
same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing
investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that
would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html


JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Yes you're right.Thanks for correcting me. He stated he hadnt seen her in weeks then clamed up right? It must have been AG on those tv interviews IIRC that stated HD was a friend.Seems like she didn't want to talk about THAT.!!!!
JMHO

[odette]

Yes you're right.Thanks for correcting me. He stated he hadnt seen her in weeks then clamed up right? It must have been AG on those tv interviews IIRC that stated HD was a friend.Seems like she didn't want to talk about THAT.!!!!
JMHO

It appears to me that AG didn't want to talk about HD and Tara's affair in this interview.

Nancy Grace ~ CNN ~

GRACE: Back to Anita Gattis. Anita, you told me about a long-term relationship she had for about six years that had been broken off, all right? You told me about a young student that had been bamming on her door, in love with her. Also now there are rumors flying that a married cop may have been interested in Tara Grinstead. Truth or false?

ANITA GATTIS: She was friends with a police officer. We`ve been friends with his family for years. His dad was best man in my wedding. They went to high school together. As far as I know, they were just really good friends.

GRACE: Is he married?

ANITA GATTIS: Yes, he is.

GRACE: So is it your belief, Anita, that tabloids and others are taking the truth and twisting it for salacious reasons?

ANITA GATTIS: Well, you know how that story goes. And yes, I really try to stay away from tabloids. I`m so focused on finding my sister. I really don`t care, you know, to read all the garbage in the tabloids or on any of the blog sites. I just stay away from that. I`ve got to stay focused on finding Tara.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/23/ng.01.html


JMHO

[gacountry]

Gacountry, you know darn well that it is common knowledge that you went to the Luminary Service with several wearing your yellow shirts. Show me where I put a date on the 1st Anniversay of Tara missing that you guys had? I was very disappointed when I heard that the family was going to have one and Ocilla was going to have one and that the family would not go to this Luminary Service to represent Tara and keep this war zone out of it for just one night. You went and no one bothered you according to your post. So, if you didn't have a 1 year Anniversay with AG, friends, and searchers then someone from your camp lied. I don't believe that because my belief is you guys did it intentionally to hurt certain individuals. You tell me who is lying?


Results you are so misinformed with all your info. I can assure you ONLY the ones from the Tara Center personal wore yellow shirts. I wore a gray suit and if you would like I will do a dress review of all the searchers outfits. As to a 1 year anniversary observed by MY CAMP I can assure you there was none NONE. This was a very hard time for family and searchers. We had sorta planned a service in Hawkinsville but none of us seemed to be able to stand the thought of it. I am sure you can imagine that this 1 year mark has been very hard. NO ONE has lied to you about a meeting at the bunkhouse I can promise you that, I called the owners of the bunkhouse even, YOU are mistaken. Please tell me WHAT people we intentionally hurt and be sure and get your facts straight since none of the above is true.
Gacountry

[Its just me]

Results, I think I get what you were saying in your first post that started another defense. I think you were pointing out that Popcorn (Dr.G) had released the information about the phone calls, the affair, and HD being at Tara's House. You also posted an old post from Ga Country dated in April about a get together at a bunk house and Dr. G. being present. Am I correct to think all and I do mean all you were saying is the fact that Dr. G bing present seems to confirm the family had no problem with this release since he (Dr. G) was invited. My opinion is the same as what I take you meant, the rest of the mess posted from your initial post is simply goolosh and does not have a thing to do with what happened to Tara. You are doing such a good job with questions please try to overlook things to distract your train of thought. MHOO

[Results]

Results, I think I get what you were saying in your first post that started another defense. I think you were pointing out that Popcorn (Dr.G) had released the information about the phone calls, the affair, and HD being at Tara's House. You also posted an old post from Ga Country dated in April about a get together at a bunk house and Dr. G. being present. Am I correct to think all and I do mean all you were saying is the fact that Dr. G bing present seems to confirm the family had no problem with this release since he (Dr. G) was invited. My opinion is the same as what I take you meant, the rest of the mess posted from your initial post is simply goolosh and does not have a thing to do with what happened to Tara. You are doing such a good job with questions please try to overlook things to distract your train of thought. MHOO

IJM, Will do and thank you for your advice. I sure will take it. Nice to have you back to keep me straight! For you :rose:

[Brainstorm]

It appears to me that AG didn't want to talk about HD and Tara's affair in this interview.




JMHO

Did AG ever concede to this affair after Dr.G's report came out placing HD at Tara's house? If not,then IMO she was/is not concerned in finding her sister.She should look at EVERY possibility.Unless she's involved in a cover-up then of course she wanted/wants it all to just go away.
JMHO

[fsbiii]

"I am disturbed with the fact that [Harper] is an army ranger, and Tara was disappeared without a trace. In fact, I am disturbed with the fact that he has access to army bases. Also, in that he has knowledge to dispose of a body, I am just concerned."

Did AG ever concede to this affair after Dr.G's report came out placing HD at Tara's house? If not,then IMO she was/is not concerned in finding her sister.She should look at EVERY possibility.Unless she's involved in a cover-up then of course she wanted/wants it all to just go away.
JMHO

[BroadwayJoe]

I'd certainly appreciate anyone who comes in here flinging new initials would at least PM everyone to let them know who the heck their talking about - otherwise why say anything???? :shrug: It only looks like deflection to me. :punch: JMO

It was my impression using initials was the "kosher" thing to do most of the time, but since you asked, and since I've gotten several PM's asking me if this was the guy, it's Keith Parr. Dr. Keith Parr. Don't know if there's a connection to this case or not, but he seems to have several odd connections to Ocilla, and several readers/posters asked me specifically if this is who I was referring to. Just a thought, and as always, JMHO. Not trying to deflect, so save your remarks for something worthy.

[Lindsey]

It was my impression using initials was the "kosher" thing to do most of the time, but since you asked, and since I've gotten several PM's asking me if this was the guy, it's Keith Parr. Dr. Keith Parr. Don't know if there's a connection to this case or not, but he seems to have several odd connections to Ocilla, and several readers/posters asked me specifically if this is who I was referring to. Just a thought, and as always, JMHO. Not trying to deflect, so save your remarks for something worthy.

I find no Dr Keith Parr in the whole state of Georgia. None!

[fsbiii]

Surely if "several" people sent PM's about this guy and asked Broadway specifically if Dr. Keith Parr was the guy in question, he must be known to "several" people reading the forum.

Does he practice in Canada or Alabama, by chance?

[BroadwayJoe]

I find no Dr Keith Parr in the whole state of Georgia. None!
If there is truly no Keith Parr in the State of Georgia, then my information must be wrong. But several persons stated the same name, so that makes me wonder. Maybe it is spelled a different way, or maybe this man no longer resides in Georgia. I don't have an answer for that, but thanks for looking him up in any case. If anyone who PMd me asking about it knows whether or not this man is still in GA, or even exists, info appreciated. Again, if it is NOT relevant, then no response necessary. Just trying to approach everything with an open mind here.

[BroadwayJoe]

Surely if "several" people sent PM's about this guy and asked Broadway specifically if Dr. Keith Parr was the guy in question, he must be known to "several" people reading the forum.

Does he practice in Canada or Alabama, by chance?

I was told Georgia, but who knows at this point.

[BroadwayJoe]

FYI, just quickly googling that name for Alabama and for Canada comes up with some "Parrs" but no Keith. I haven't pulled up a physician database yet though.

[mooloo]

What exactly are his connections to Ocilla?

It was my impression using initials was the "kosher" thing to do most of the time, but since you asked, and since I've gotten several PM's asking me if this was the guy, it's Keith Parr. Dr. Keith Parr. Don't know if there's a connection to this case or not, but he seems to have several odd connections to Ocilla, and several readers/posters asked me specifically if this is who I was referring to. Just a thought, and as always, JMHO. Not trying to deflect, so save your remarks for something worthy.

[Lindsey]

If there is truly no Keith Parr in the State of Georgia, then my information must be wrong. But several persons stated the same name, so that makes me wonder. Maybe it is spelled a different way, or maybe this man no longer resides in Georgia. I don't have an answer for that, but thanks for looking him up in any case. If anyone who PMd me asking about it knows whether or not this man is still in GA, or even exists, info appreciated. Again, if it is NOT relevant, then no response necessary. Just trying to approach everything with an open mind here.


I found no Dr. Keith Parr in the state of Georgia. If there is a doctor by that name in Georgia he is not a medical doctor, according to my research. I haven't checked for other types of doctors.

MOO

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe
It was my impression using initials was the "kosher" thing to do most of the time, but since you asked, and since I've gotten several PM's asking me if this was the guy, it's Keith Parr. Dr. Keith Parr. Don't know if there's a connection to this case or not, but he seems to have several odd connections to Ocilla, and several readers/posters asked me specifically if this is who I was referring to. Just a thought, and as always, JMHO. Not trying to deflect, so save your remarks for something worthy.



What exactly are his connections to Ocilla?

Ditto and what are his connections to Tara?? :confused:

[fsbiii]

An old "rumbling" reference, courtesy of benhill29. Still waiting on that arrest within 7 days, too.

"I believe it is in Ben Hill County but I haven't confirmed that. Just heard some rumblings over the weekend that they were searching around Sunflower Road which could be completely false information. Just wondering if any one had heard that besides me."

[BroadwayJoe]

One2Snoop, I don't know if there's a connection to Tara, but there were posts made some time ago about a place named Chula and speculations about whether Tara had connections to Chula. This KP person (or whatever the correct name is?) had that sort of connection, supposedly with persons from Ocilla as well. Without further info and a correct name, it doesn't really seem productive to put it into a discussion yet.

[odette]

I sure have been asking questions a long time and not just one. I don't intend to stop asking the same questions over and over again in the hopes that maybe they will give an answer. I am not here to convince you that HD is guilty or not or anyone else for that matter. I have asked questions after questions with no answers. But, hey we can get posters on here saying MH slept in a coffin when he was younger, MH this and MH that we get to know all about MH and by golly we can even know that MH delivered packages for UPS. Frankly I'm tired of it. You say HD didn't get help because he was married and that would let the cat out of the bag. Yet Tara was in danger is the whole point of his concern, the whole point of the 90 mile drive one way to Tara's house in the middle of the night and he doesn't get help because he is married? I agree to disagree with you. You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine. I have no respect for HD none what so ever and that is just how I feel. A REAL MAN would have been worried about taking care of his 2 small children and his wife...you know the thing called family. JMHO

You go for it Results .. the same questions need to be asked over and over again! While it's true that we don't have an abundance of information regarding HD, what we do have certainly makes him my #1 POI.


JMHO

[Its just me]

For any one interested in KP. I personally have no information on any KP but could Parr be a Pharr. Pharr is more of a common name in this area.

[The R]

Muchas gracias! Should we discuss the crop duster and press conference next? How about Tara's voice-activated-recorder? I bet Dr. G has all of that in an evidence bag though.


Enquiring minds want to know.....

Does that evidence bag contain movie theater butter or kettle corn??

[The R]

For any one interested in KP. I personally have no information on any KP but could Parr be a Pharr. Pharr is more of a common name in this area.


Yea IJM.....I'm not sure this ain't a bait job.....just a simple check on google gets me a Dr K. Farr also....w/some outfit that works with military targeting systems??

[The R]

Results, I think I get what you were saying in your first post that started another defense. I think you were pointing out that Popcorn (Dr.G) had released the information about the phone calls, the affair, and HD being at Tara's House. You also posted an old post from Ga Country dated in April about a get together at a bunk house and Dr. G. being present. Am I correct to think all and I do mean all you were saying is the fact that Dr. G bing present seems to confirm the family had no problem with this release since he (Dr. G) was invited. My opinion is the same as what I take you meant, the rest of the mess posted from your initial post is simply goolosh and does not have a thing to do with what happened to Tara. You are doing such a good job with questions please try to overlook things to distract your train of thought. MHOO



Hey IJM, Results, anyone.....

Anyone have a link to Dr. Popsecret saying HD and Tara had an affair? Would like to see it...TIA.

R

[The R]

An old "rumbling" reference, courtesy of benhill29. Still waiting on that arrest within 7 days, too.

"I believe it is in Ben Hill County but I haven't confirmed that. Just heard some rumblings over the weekend that they were searching around Sunflower Road which could be completely false information. Just wondering if any one had heard that besides me."


Hmmmm.

BJ, BH, and BP (Brian's Predictions) ????

BTW, Brian just updated his expect a break in this case soon date to 1-8-07.........

Is that all it takes to claim psychic ability?

R

[fsbiii]

It's a sentence that I and others have posted numerous times here and yonder. It's a very brief post on CTV before he had his posts removed, and google cache is the source now :)

Hey IJM, Results, anyone.....

Anyone have a link to Dr. Popsecret saying HD and Tara had an affair? Would like to see it...TIA.

R

[Its just me]

It's a sentence that I and others have posted numerous times here and yonder. It's a very brief post on CTV before he had his posts removed, and google cache is the source now :)

Sad Popcorn worked into getting his post removed or so he claims ctv removed them when he was banned. If I remember correctly Popcorn stated that HD and Tara were in a "relationship" and did not use the word affair but to me it is one of the same.

[Its just me]

IJM, Will do and thank you for your advice. I sure will take it. Nice to have you back to keep me straight! For you :rose:

A :rose: to you and all the rest for keeping the boards going for Tara through the holidays. I had a major job to get done and am almost finished with the hard part and its good to have time again to come to the board. BTW you don't need anyone to keep you straight..you are a hero in my book.

[fsbiii]

Yep, ol' Dr. Reddenbacher had them removed and continued to post after they were removed. They didn't vanish with his banish. He can't lay claim to that. Actually, he can - and some DAJA's would believe it. :)

[Its just me]

Yep, ol' Dr. Reddenbacher had them removed and continued to post after they were removed. They didn't vanish with his banish. He can't lay claim to that. Actually, he can - and some DAJA's would believe it. :)
"Reddenbacker" has been know to pop from a small grain to a big ole lie. :lol:

[Results]

Yep, ol' Dr. Reddenbacher had them removed and continued to post after they were removed. They didn't vanish with his banish. He can't lay claim to that. Actually, he can - and some DAJA's would believe it. :)

You need to let that tiger out more...grrrrr! LMAO :lol:

[Results]

Hey guys anyone heard of a doctor XWZ? Oh my lets find him! I know lets get the topic as far away as we can from a theory of AG/LG (I guess that is TD's theory) and that will get them away from HD/GD (I don't believe GD was involved in any way shape or form, BUT, that doesn't make me right). This is such a pattern that we see time and time again.

I'm going to ask a question (I know again) does HD's family own a farm that sells sod or grass? Please do not think that I am saying Tara is there by any means because I have NEVER heard anything at all bad about HD's parents. GD's family do they own a farm and what type in Hawkinsville? Again I'm not saying Tara is there and I am not saying anything bad about GD's parents becaue I have NEVER heard anything bad about them either. If anyone can answer those questions I would appreciate it and if you don't want to put it on the boards please PM me.

This is for the locals or anyone else who knows. Is there a road Long River Road (I believe that is the name of it) going the backway from Ocilla to Hawkinsville? Does anyone related to any POI live on this road? TIA

[Brainstorm]

One2Snoop, I don't know if there's a connection to Tara, but there were posts made some time ago about a place named Chula and speculations about whether Tara had connections to Chula. This KP person (or whatever the correct name is?) had that sort of connection, supposedly with persons from Ocilla as well. Without further info and a correct name, it doesn't really seem productive to put it into a discussion yet.

I agree that "IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM PRODUCTIVE TO PUT IT INTO A DISCUSSION"

MOVING ON,any rumblings do our questions:Has HD taken a LDT, What is HD's alibi for Sat.night thru Mon AM.What was his location when making 20+ calls to Tara Sun.Did HD report to work Mon.AM and also are AG and HD still maintaining there was NO AFFAIR?

[kundalini]

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Raul Bargamento Quezon City PI Sr Inspr
Timothy Baughman Las Cruces NM LT
Dennis Bengtson Mason City IA CPT
Ted Berthelot Addis LA COP
Dewey Betts Memphis TN MAJ
Joel Bolante St. Augustine FL Dir of Oper
David Bolda Provo UT CPT
Joseph Booth Baton Rouge LA MAJ
Michael Bosacker Eden Prairie MN LT
Thomas Boyle Chicago IL LT
Douglas Bracy York ME LT
Dale Brandland Bellingham WA Sheriff
William Bridges Des Peres MO COP
John Brogan Scarsdale NY LT
Morris Lee Detroit MI F/LT
Franklin Bruckner Oceanside CA CPT
Karl Kent Springfield IL CMDR
George Buenik Houston TX CPT
William Bullock Newton NC LT
Craig Burnett Murray UT SGT
Edward Butler Independence NY CPT
Ralph Caldwell Springfield IL LT
Paul Campi Winsted CT SGT
Ronald Campurciani West Springfield MA CAPT
Anthony Canale Medford NJ DET SGT
Beth Carmosino Northglenn CO SGT
Donald Carnahan Pittsburg PA LT
Wayne Carroll Plymouth MI LT
Kevin Cashen Norwalk OH CPT
Mike Catalano Cortland NY LT
Steven Chalmers Durham NC CPT
Richard Chase Louisville KY ASAC ATF
William Childress Washington DC MSGT USMC
Dung Van Chu Hanoi, SVNA CPT
Gary Cimorelli West Trenton NJ LT
James Cockrell Anchorage AK CPT
William Colarulo Philadelphia PA CPT
Paul Constantino Sterling MA COP
Marvin Cross Cleveland OH SGT
Steven Culp Kansas City KS MAJ
Marc Cutrell High Point NC CPT
Dennis Day Fostoria OH COP
Clyde Deal Hickory NC LT
Kenneth Donovan Waukesha WI LT
Timothy Dorsey Edmond OK SGT
Scott Drake Elmira NY CAPT
Heath ****s Perry GA CAPT
Larry Eddings Signal Mountain

[kundalini]

FBI

Email address should anyone care to ask him directly...

jh****s@perryga.org


Oscar Atehortua Duque Bogota Colo MAJ
Juan Moreno Baker Fort Meade MD CWO III
Dennis Baldwin Killeen TX LT
Raul Bargamento Quezon City PI Sr Inspr
Timothy Baughman Las Cruces NM LT
Heath ****s Perry GA CAPT
Larry Eddings Signal Mountain

[BroadwayJoe]

For any one interested in KP. I personally have no information on any KP but could Parr be a Pharr. Pharr is more of a common name in this area.
Thanks. I'll check that name. Maybe it was just spelled incorrectly to begin with.

[One2Snoop]

According to Intelius People Search....
http://find.intelius.com/people-search.html?PHPSESSID=f309186003cdb7a35b4da1f0c467 6252

1 KEITH A FARR (Age: 42) WOODSTOCK, GA LOREEN S FARR View Details

2 KEITH FARR - RIVERDALE, GA BOBBY K FARR View Details

3 KEITH A FARR - MARIETTA, GA


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1 KEITH D PARR (Age: 49) ATLANTA, GA
CHICAGO, IL
COUNCIL BLUFFS, IA LISSA KURLAND PARR View Details

2 KEITH PARR MAYSVILLE, GA KRISTI PARR
KELLIE E PARR
MIKE PARR
KENYA PARR
MISTY PARR
MICHAEL KEITH PARR
KELLY ELAINE PARR
WM M PARR
KELLEY E PARR View Details

3 KEITH PARR (Age: 38) HAMPTON, GA
CLAYTON, GA
CONLEY, GA BELINDA D PARR
BILLY KEITH PARR View Details

4 KEITH S PARR - ALPHARETTA, GA

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1 KEITH PHARR (Age: 69) BUCKHEAD, GA
STONE MOUNTAIN, GA
AUBURN, AL
ATLANTA, GA PHARR KEITH PHARR
CHARLES KEITH PHARR
PARTICK J PHARR
SEAN HARRIS PHARR
CHARLOTTE A PHARR View Details

2 KEITH PHARR (Age: 69) ATLANTA, GA CHARLES KEITH PHARR
CHARLOTTE A PHARR View Details

3 KEITH PHARR FOREST PARK, GA
VANCOUVER, WA GUYETTE S PHARR
MICHAEL KEITH PHARR View Details

4 KEITH PHARR (Age: 65) - ATLANTA, GA


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[Lindsey]

Isn't it against the TOS to post names and addresses on the board? I don't know for sure but I think it is and I don't want to see this thread deleted or the whole forum shut down.

IMHO MOO

[One2Snoop]

I don't see any difference between my list and Kundalini's FBI list. All I see are cities listed - no addresses. and I'm not trying to get the thread deleted. These names are listed in prior posts here so not sure what the big deal is? I'll edit it the post if I can but I won't delete it. :patriot:

Sorry its too late to edit.

[Brainstorm]

BJ posted a rumor- "rumblings" h/s posted.Then came back stating h/s didn't even know if KP existed,but also came back and stated KP had connections to Chula,IIRC- how can all this BS not be considered DEFLECTION???????????

BTW-it apparently worked-for some...

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

BJ posted a rumor- "rumblings" h/s posted.Then came back stating h/s didn't even know if KP existed,but also came back and stated KP had connections to Chula,IIRC- how can all this BS not be considered DEFLECTION???????????

BTW-it apparently worked-for some...

JMHO

That was uncalled for IMO. :no:

[One2Snoop]

You're probably right. If you can google information or use another search vehicle to find it, then it's public domain, IMO.:)

Thats what I always thought. I'll take my lumps if its not. FW will need to delete the post if she finds its not appropriate. Moving on...... :seeya:

[dixinites]

Still editing my short list...

By his own words MH was "shopping" outside Ocilla. (Or was he just making that suggestion for Tara?) Does anyone know if he "bought" anything? In other words, was he seeing someone in particular?

I personally don't think he would hurt Tara, but someone who was interested in MH and wanted Tara to back off might. JMO.

[Brainstorm]

Now that I've been properly scolded,I too digress.But I will never deflect.
MHO

[barefoot]

Out of curiosity, why bother ****ing out half of a POI's name while leaving the full first and last names of perfectly innocent and uninvolved people listed as-is? Seems to me their identity deserves just as much protection, if not more, considering they've done nothing to be dragged into this mess.

[fsbiii]

The forum itself ***'s out HD's last name since IMO it's got a "sexual connotation" and such as that.......

Out of curiosity, why bother ****ing out half of a POI's name while leaving the full first and last names of perfectly innocent and uninvolved people listed as-is? Seems to me their identity deserves just as much protection, if not more, considering they've done nothing to be dragged into this mess.

[odette]

Anyone get any PMs from BJ expanding on his/her "rumblings" theory? If not I stand by my assumption that this was merely a rumor thrown in to deflect our discussion and questions concerning HD.
Odette,besides your questions of where HD was when placing these calls and was he at work on Monday and has he taken LDT I would like to know why HD lied on national television about the last time he had seen Tara.Are we supposed to believe that HE WAS ONLY GUILTY OF ADULTERY but WOULD NOT LIE about ANYTHING ELSE? IMO-a liar is a liar is a liar.

JMHO

I have suspected for some time now that HD has not taken a LDT plus I don't think that he has an alibi either ... Oh he's got the ballgame that he watched with friends on Saturday night but I'm talking about AFTER that. Let's face it, we would have heard about it long before now if he had/has. JMHO


IMOO

[One2Snoop]

Still editing my short list...

By his own words MH was "shopping" outside Ocilla. (Or was he just making that suggestion for Tara?) Does anyone know if he "bought" anything? In other words, was he seeing someone in particular?

I personally don't think he would hurt Tara, but someone who was interested in MH and wanted Tara to back off might. JMO.

IIRC MH wasn't seeing anyone in particular - maybe RCM can help with this question?

[dixinites]

[QUOTE=odette;8797873] I don't think that he has an alibi either ... Oh he's got the ballgame that he watched with friends on Saturday night but I'm talking about AFTER that. /QUOTE]

Where did you hear he was watching a ballgame Sat nite (just curious, cuz this is the first time I've read it). Was it, by chance, the same game Tara was watching at the BBQ? How sad.

[readmylips]

[QUOTE=odette;8797873] I don't think that he has an alibi either ... Oh he's got the ballgame that he watched with friends on Saturday night but I'm talking about AFTER that. /QUOTE]

Where did you hear he was watching a ballgame Sat nite (just curious, cuz this is the first time I've read it). Was it, by chance, the same game Tara was watching at the BBQ? How sad.

ag stated in personal conversation (not in media) that hd was watching a ballgame with a group of friends that evening.

[RCM-715]

Still editing my short list...

By his own words MH was "shopping" outside Ocilla. (Or was he just making that suggestion for Tara?) Does anyone know if he "bought" anything? In other words, was he seeing someone in particular?

I personally don't think he would hurt Tara, but someone who was interested in MH and wanted Tara to back off might. JMO. Dixi: MH wasn't seeing anyone in particular.

[Lindsey]

That brings up a question I've had from the interview with Greta on Nov. 7, 2005.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened?
HARPER: She approached me crying. She was very irrational. And she told me that if she found out I was dating someone, she would commit suicide.
(emphasis mine)

When MH used the word "someone", did he mean a certain someone i.e. a person he chose not to name or did it mean just any other person besides Tara?

TIA

[TuscanDreams]

LG & AG? Have they been "cleared"? Don't answer that. I have no idea who Tuscan is talking about--but LG has been questioned many times and poly'd (by his own admissions on tv and to Larry Hairnet)--so I'd say he's a POI with a wife. JMOO......

I don't think they have been cleared. ;)

[dixinites]

Dixi: MH wasn't seeing anyone in particular.

Thanx RCM...

Of course, I think even someone he went out with a time or two could be potentially jealous of Tara. He is an attractive single male in a small pond.
Someone could have had a crush on him even while he was involved with her.
After MH and Tara split up and he finally became available, it would be VERY frustrating that Tara wouldn't back off and let them have their chance.

I don't expect you to "name names", or go out on a limb, but does that ring any bells for you or even sound plausible? I only ask that you really think about the possibilities before you answer. Thnx, D.

[dixinites]

When MH used the word "someone", did he mean a certain someone i.e. a person he chose not to name or did it mean just any other person besides Tara?

My interpretation was that he meant anyone in general, but my interpretation (just from what I've read and jmo) is that Tara may have meant someone in particular...

[Results]

Originally Posted by odette
I don't think that he has an alibi either ... Oh he's got the ballgame that he watched with friends on Saturday night but I'm talking about AFTER that. /QUOTE]

[QUOTE=readmylips;8798207

ag stated in personal conversation (not in media) that hd was watching a ballgame with a group of friends that evening.[/QUOTE]


rml and odette thank you for this information. I wasn't for sure if I could c/p your post together without the other posters quote but I did it anyways because I needed your 2 post together to make my post. You know this is very interesting to me because #1 HD was watching a ballgame with friends but he called Tara at 10:20 PM and the game wasn't over yet. The reason that I am saying the game wasn't over yet is because IIRC Tara left before the game ended according to the host of the BBQ. Said she was tired etc and left. Tara also told the host of the BBQ that it was girls calling her to thank her for her help but I have not seen where Tara said HD called her at the BBQ from the host. Now, this is just speculation here but HD watching the games with friends calls Tara while the game is on so makes me wonder why he had to call Tara and wonder who HD told his friends he was calling because I don't see him saying hey I got to go call Tara real quick. Doesn't seem likely. So my question is what was so important that he had to call Tara during the ball game that he was suppose to be watching the game with them and what excuse did he give to call someone? Were they making plans to meet after the ballgame? Did Tara meet up with HD that night and if they did then it would explain why she told the dog owner just to get the bowl even if she wasn't there (can't remember specifically what she said but I thought it was like if I don't come to the door just go ahead and get the dog bow). HD calls at 10:20 PM and Tara leaves 40 minutes after that. Where was HD watching the game at in Hawkinsville, Perry, where was he exactly? It looks to me like they made plans to meet. Telling the dog owner just get the bowl like she knew she wouldn't be there. Tara told her Mom didn't know if she could make it Sunday because she maybe too tired almost as if she is covering Sunday twice. The dog owner and her Mom. What time did the ballgame end does anyone know and did HD stay and watch the whole game or did he leave early after the game? TIA and as always JMHO

rml and odette for you :rose: thanks for sharing that information I sure do appreciate it!

[dixinites]

rml and odette for you :rose: thanks for sharing that information I sure do appreciate it!

DITTO...another puzzle piece.

[dixinites]

SNIP: It looks to me like they made plans to meet. Telling the dog owner just get the bowl like she knew she wouldn't be there. Tara told her Mom didn't know if she could make it Sunday because she maybe too tired almost as if she is covering Sunday twice. The dog owner and her Mom. What time did the ballgame end does anyone know and did HD stay and watch the whole game or did he leave early after the game? TIA and as always JMHO

I always thought this to be a likely possibility. The "do not disturb", so to speak, was in place for Sunday and there were other garments on top of the clothes Tara had worn to the BBQ, like she was looking for something else to wear to go out again (or possibly to "entertain" a guest at home). I had originally asked whether anyone thought she had laid out clothes to wear to church the next day, but in light of her excusing herself in advance regarding the dog-owner and her mother, I don't think she had intended to attend church on Sun, either. It makes more sense that she was changing because she had plans.

[mooloo]

I have done a lot of things for students during my years associated with schools and I know they appreciate any help/favors that are done for them, but they do not in general go to great lengths to thank someone who has helped them. However, I doubt that many of those girls would call Tara that night and thank them for what she had done for them. I would suspect they were off with their friends, having fun and talking to an adult was the last thing on their minds. I really think she was using that excuse as a cover for something else. This is all just my opinion and probably not worth much.


Originally Posted by odette
I don't think that he has an alibi either ... Oh he's got the ballgame that he watched with friends on Saturday night but I'm talking about AFTER that. /QUOTE]




rml and odette thank you for this information. I wasn't for sure if I could c/p your post together without the other posters quote but I did it anyways because I needed your 2 post together to make my post. You know this is very interesting to me because #1 HD was watching a ballgame with friends but he called Tara at 10:20 PM and the game wasn't over yet. The reason that I am saying the game wasn't over yet is because IIRC Tara left before the game ended according to the host of the BBQ. Said she was tired etc and left. Tara also told the host of the BBQ that it was girls calling her to thank her for her help but I have not seen where Tara said HD called her at the BBQ from the host. Now, this is just speculation here but HD watching the games with friends calls Tara while the game is on so makes me wonder why he had to call Tara and wonder who HD told his friends he was calling because I don't see him saying hey I got to go call Tara real quick. Doesn't seem likely. So my question is what was so important that he had to call Tara during the ball game that he was suppose to be watching the game with them and what excuse did he give to call someone? Were they making plans to meet after the ballgame? Did Tara meet up with HD that night and if they did then it would explain why she told the dog owner just to get the bowl even if she wasn't there (can't remember specifically what she said but I thought it was like if I don't come to the door just go ahead and get the dog bow). HD calls at 10:20 PM and Tara leaves 40 minutes after that. Where was HD watching the game at in Hawkinsville, Perry, where was he exactly? It looks to me like they made plans to meet. Telling the dog owner just get the bowl like she knew she wouldn't be there. Tara told her Mom didn't know if she could make it Sunday because she maybe too tired almost as if she is covering Sunday twice. The dog owner and her Mom. What time did the ballgame end does anyone know and did HD stay and watch the whole game or did he leave early after the game? TIA and as always JMHO

rml and odette for you :rose: thanks for sharing that information I sure do appreciate it!

[Brainstorm]

Makes a lot of sense to me and ITA-mooloo

[fsbiii]

I wonder if Tara was overheard speaking to any of the "girls," supposedly, or if she took the calls to the side or out of earshot from the other guests/hosts. I believe AG always took HD's calls in that fashion after Tara went missing, FWIW.

[dixinites]

Did anyone at the BBQ comment that there were ALOT of calls to Tara while she was there? How many calls would it actually take to set up a date...one, maybe two? Could there have been an argument going on? Maybe someone was supposed to meet her right after the pageant but chose to watch a game w/friends instead...?

[Lindsey]

I have done a lot of things for students during my years associated with schools and I know they appreciate any help/favors that are done for them, but they do not in general go to great lengths to thank someone who has helped them. However, I doubt that many of those girls would call Tara that night and thank them for what she had done for them. I would suspect they were off with their friends, having fun and talking to an adult was the last thing on their minds. I really think she was using that excuse as a cover for something else. This is all just my opinion and probably not worth much.

Excellent point, mooloo!
And why did Tara even feel she had to explain her phone calls?! hmmm
I'm thinking you might be onto something ....

JMO

[concernedperson]

It's been a long time and I'm a little fuzzy but wasn't ME the 3rd to last to call Tara? Was she a pageant contestant?
IMO

I am fuzzy too but I believe that is correct. I wish she would come onboard with a synopsis as I know AG will never clarify.

[Lindsey]

It's been a long time and I'm a little fuzzy but wasn't ME the 3rd to last to call Tara? Was she a pageant contestant?
IMO

You're right, ME was a contestant in the pageant that night and she said they talked about the parade coming up the next Saturday. But I believe I read somewhere Tara didn't do ME's hair and makeup for that particular pageant so it wasn't a "thank you" call. IIRC, she called approx 10:00 so Tara had already received and made several calls before that.

IMO

[Lindsey]

IIRC, there was a lot of speculation that ME was at the Whitehorse when she called Tara. Do you remember if that was verified or not?

No, according to one of her friends, ME was preparing to go out when she called Tara but was not at the WH at that point.

IMO

[concernedperson]

Would she feel comfortable talking about this? Her input would be very helpful and establishing a timeline with her realtime would help so much. We could piece together after the fact.

Someone please help.

[fsbiii]

IIRC, JMO, she was verbally raped by popcorn during his tenure in Ocilla and had to seek legal assistance to keep him off her. I could be wrong. I think she decided her discussions with LE were going to be the end-all after the harassment at the hands of the kernel.

[Lindsey]

IIRC, JMO, she was verbally raped by popcorn during his tenure in Ocilla and had to seek legal assistance to keep him off her. I could be wrong. I think she decided her discussions with LE were going to be the end-all after the harassment at the hands of the kernel.

Right. Also, ME tried answering some questions on this forum, thru a friend of hers, a few months ago. I can't say I blame her for only talking to LE now.

IMO

[dixinites]

Sounds like a very believable scenario to me, Kath. It pulls alot of the peices together, very much like I've been thinking except for the AG part. But that is possible, too.

[odette]

I have done a lot of things for students during my years associated with schools and I know they appreciate any help/favors that are done for them, but they do not in general go to great lengths to thank someone who has helped them. However, I doubt that many of those girls would call Tara that night and thank them for what she had done for them. I would suspect they were off with their friends, having fun and talking to an adult was the last thing on their minds. I really think she was using that excuse as a cover for something else. This is all just my opinion and probably not worth much.

From some of my earlier notes regarding some of the calls that Tara made/received on her cellphone at the BBQ .. the Susan mentioned in the below quote was one of the guests at the BBQ.

National Enquirer ~ Published on: 11/18/2005 (link no longer valid)

In the early evening, Tara drove to a barbecue at the home of high school principal Troy Davis, eight blocks from her house.

Guests noticed that Tara's cell phone kept ringing during the evening.

"She got a bunch of calls," said Susan. "Tara told the guests the calls were from the pageant girls thanking her for doing their hair."

Also IIRC MD (one of the hosts of the BBQ) said in an interview that Tara made and received several calls at their home that night and it was mentioned that some of the calls were related to pageant results.

ME spoke to Tara (on her cellphone) at the BBQ from approximately 10:pm to 10:15pm.

Records show that the last call Tara received on her cellphone at the BBQ was from HD at 10:20pm.

JMHO

[odette]

It's been a long time and I'm a little fuzzy but wasn't ME the 3rd to last to call Tara? Was she a pageant contestant?
IMO

Yes, ME was a contestant in the pageant that night.

My above post should help to clarify things for you a little regarding MEv's call. IIRC, Tara made a land line call to dog owner after she got home. The owner of the dog had come to Tara's on the Saturday night to pick up the dog that Tara had been caring for. This was before Tara returned home from the pageant/BBQ. The owner if the dog returned to Tara's the next morning, ie Sunday, to get the dog's water bowl. Tara didn't answer the door so the owner went into the back yard, got the bowl and then left.


JMHO

[mooloo]

Who was the Susan at the BBQ?


From some of my earlier notes regarding some of the calls that Tara made/received on her cellphone at the BBQ .. the Susan mentioned in the below quote was one of the guests at the BBQ.



Also IIRC MD (one of the hosts of the BBQ) said in an interview that Tara made and received several calls at their home that night and it was mentioned that some of the calls were related to pageant results.

ME spoke to Tara (on her cellphone) at the BBQ from approximately 10:pm to 10:15pm.

Records show that the last call Tara received on her cellphone at the BBQ was from HD at 10:20pm.

JMHO

[fsbiii]

"She got a bunch of calls," said Susan. "Tara told the guests the calls were from the pageant girls thanking her for doing their hair."

If Susan was there, wouldn't she have said "Tara told us"? I've never been clear on who was at the BBQ. IMO, Susan was relaying info to the reporter that she had been told by someone else. But I don't know that for a fact.

[odette]

Who was the Susan at the BBQ?

I was under the impression that "Susan" was actually at the BBQ, however I stand to be corrected. Hopefully one of the other posters can clarify this. In the meantime, I retract what I said earlier, regarding "Susan" being one of the guests at the BBQ.

odette


JMHO

[The R]

I'm not being critical of anyone in particular, and everyone has a right to opinions, scenarios and such, but some of these possibilities are starting to look like "The Days of Our Lives."

I mean why hasn't anyone proposed that HD and AG were having an affair and Tara's fooling around with him made AG go crazy, and just by chance LG learned of it (since AG was so distraught) which caused all of them to become involved in Tara's disappearance?

I'm sorry and I don't mean to be disrespectful or make light of a woman's disappearing, but it seems like some of the stuff here is getting farfetched in MO.

Does anyone here have any concrete evidence of an affair between HD and TG or is everything info-wise available come from what someone else said? I mean like any pictures of them holding hands or kissing? Any eyewitnesses see them doing what lovers do? I know IJM posted that her source would testify, but to what exactly? I don't know at this point what happened there but I guess I'm not convinced yet......


All MO,
R

[Lindsey]

I'm not being critical of anyone in particular, and everyone has a right to opinions, scenarios and such, but some of these possibilities are starting to look like "The Days of Our Lives."

I mean why hasn't anyone proposed that HD and AG were having an affair and Tara's fooling around with him made AG go crazy, and just by chance LG learned of it (since AG was so distraught) which caused all of them to become involved in Tara's disappearance?

I'm sorry and I don't mean to be disrespectful or make light of a woman's disappearing, but it seems like some of the stuff here is getting farfetched in MO.

Does anyone here have any concrete evidence of an affair between HD and TG or is everything info-wise available come from what someone else said? I mean like any pictures of them holding hands or kissing? Any eyewitnesses see them doing what lovers do? I know IJM posted that her source would testify, but to what exactly? I don't know at this point what happened there but I guess I'm not convinced yet......


All MO,
R

If this was from Days script, Tara would be coming back alive right about now! If you've ever watched the show you know what I mean.

NOI IMO

[readmylips]

I'm not being critical of anyone in particular, and everyone has a right to opinions, scenarios and such, but some of these possibilities are starting to look like "The Days of Our Lives."

I mean why hasn't anyone proposed that HD and AG were having an affair and Tara's fooling around with him made AG go crazy, and just by chance LG learned of it (since AG was so distraught) which caused all of them to become involved in Tara's disappearance?

I'm sorry and I don't mean to be disrespectful or make light of a woman's disappearing, but it seems like some of the stuff here is getting farfetched in MO.

Does anyone here have any concrete evidence of an affair between HD and TG or is everything info-wise available come from what someone else said? I mean like any pictures of them holding hands or kissing? Any eyewitnesses see them doing what lovers do? I know IJM posted that her source would testify, but to what exactly? I don't know at this point what happened there but I guess I'm not convinced yet......


All MO,
R

i am interested in hearing what makes you feel as if there was not an affair situation? aside from any one elses opinion, what makes you think it was a platonic relationship? just curious and open to hearing opinions. this is all just speculation anyway imo. tia

[One2Snoop]

My memory's failing me - I don't remember who, but I thought someone here had a list of the guests at the BBQ? And wasn't Susan one of Tara's neighbors?

[mooloo]

My understanding from locals who know Tara is that Susan and Tara were not acquainted, not friends, nada, zilch. This is one of the folks who just came out of the woodwork when Tara disappeared and joined the Fluffies, hook, line and sinker.


My memory's failing me - I don't remember who, but I thought someone here had a list of the guests at the BBQ? And wasn't Susan one of Tara's neighbors?

[One2Snoop]

My understanding from locals who know Tara is that Susan and Tara were not acquainted, not friends, nada, zilch. This is one of the folks who just came out of the woodwork when Tara disappeared and joined the Fluffies, hook, line and sinker.

Ahhhh - ok - I wasn't sure. Thanks. :seeya:

[fsbiii]

Interesting. We are talking about S.O., right?

My understanding from locals who know Tara is that Susan and Tara were not acquainted, not friends, nada, zilch. This is one of the folks who just came out of the woodwork when Tara disappeared and joined the Fluffies, hook, line and sinker.

[One2Snoop]

Interesting. We are talking about S.O., right?

This came from a WALB news article - Nov 14th, 2005 - I guess from reading that one could assume she's just a neighbor and not really a friend of Tara's.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4118879&nav=5kZQ

"We will not stop hunting for Tara, searching for Tara, until we bring her home," says Tara's neighbor, Susan Oakley

[fsbiii]

Poor woman. Her name was 'sketched' by Brian on his Predictions, too, IIRC.

This came from a WALB news article - Nov 14th, 2005 - I guess from reading that one could assume she's just a neighbor and not really a friend of Tara's.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4118879&nav=5kZQ

"We will not stop hunting for Tara, searching for Tara, until we bring her home," says Tara's neighbor, Susan Oakley

[Esah]

I can't wait to hear this explanation!!

[fsbiii]

I think I'll run to the hills for a lil' while! *LOL*

[concernedperson]

I can't wait to hear this explanation!!



ROTFLMAO! Sorry, but this just really tickled me.

[fsbiii]

*LOL* Not a bad question at all, but an interesting one...

[mooloo]

hmmm...lemme see.....Fluffies....

I guess The Fluffies might best be described as an alledged group of folks who alledgedly were seriously misled by a person/persons early in the disappearance of Tara.

Be right back....gotta go change the cat litter.

:lol:


mooloo, what are fluffies? are these people who didn't know TG and just joined in for the attention? i never heard fluffies so i'm just asking.

[mooloo]

alrightee then...jump right in with your explanation of a Fluffie!

:lol:


*LOL* Not a bad question at all, but an interesting one...

[concernedperson]

alrightee then...jump right in with your explanation of a Fluffie!

:lol:


Yours was seriously diplomatic and I appreciate that. One of the reasons is I was seriously misled and this gives me an out for my gullibilty and stupidity.

It is funny in retrospect and it is also an experience in trusting too much. Learning to think better and not take everything as gospel even when you want to is the lesson learned. The other funny thing is I am always suspicious so being taken was a cold water bath.

So, I guess I am an ex-fluffie. I am also not local and many perspectives were not fully presented at first...held under the breathe....shock and disbelief.....retreat...than disclosure.

Sounds like I am justifying my stupidity and I guess I am but truth is always the way to go.

AG want to tell the truth?

[Brainstorm]

Yours was seriously diplomatic and I appreciate that. One of the reasons is I was seriously misled and this gives me an out for my gullibilty and stupidity.

It is funny in retrospect and it is also an experience in trusting too much. Learning to think better and not take everything as gospel even when you want to is the lesson learned. The other funny thing is I am always suspicious so being taken was a cold water bath.

So, I guess I am an ex-fluffie. I am also not local and many perspectives were not fully presented at first...held under the breathe....shock and disbelief.....retreat...than disclosure.

Sounds like I am justifying my stupidity and I guess I am but truth is always the way to go.

AG want to tell the truth?

What a good post,CP.I don't know the details and don't need to but the fact that you posted this shows that it is never too late to change ones mind after discovering more details and considering different angles. It is fereshing to see someone admit they might have been wrong about something.I sure wish AG would go public with what she knows.That's the only way IMO she will ever have any credibility.
If I am wrong about her or anything else,I will certainly try to be honest and ask forgiveness.
How about it AG?
Also, I'll admit I wondered about fluffies also,but just decided to wait,thinking I was probably the only one who didn't understand the term. THANKS EVERYONE.
JMOO

[fsbiii]

Fluffie (fluf-ee) (n.) an individual whose objectivity is swayed by the scent of cotton candy and puffy clouds in order to sugarcoat reality and wash away independent thought processes in order to advance a witch hunt theory. See also Poppie, Fluffernutter, Children of the Corn.

[Brainstorm]

Or/and POPCORN?

[Lindsey]

Fluffie (fluf-ee) (n.) an individual whose objectivity is swayed by the scent of cotton candy and puffy clouds in order to sugarcoat reality and wash away independent thought processes in order to advance a witch hunt theory. See also Poppie, Fluffernutter, Children of the Corn.

Can often be seen wearing their trademark color, pink. Lotsa pink. Even the male fluffies wear pink. :tongue:

[fsbiii]

I apologize in advance to any Fluffies who scold and ridicule me for my humorous attempt at dictionary work. If a floggin' is due, please use a very wet noodle.

[The R]

Fluffie (fluf-ee) (n.) an individual whose objectivity is swayed by the scent of cotton candy and puffy clouds in order to sugarcoat reality and wash away independent thought processes in order to advance a witch hunt theory. See also Poppie, Fluffernutter, Children of the Corn.



You mean the smell of fresh popcorn has nothing to do with fluffyitis?

[readmylips]

I'm not being critical of anyone in particular, and everyone has a right to opinions, scenarios and such, but some of these possibilities are starting to look like "The Days of Our Lives."

I mean why hasn't anyone proposed that HD and AG were having an affair and Tara's fooling around with him made AG go crazy, and just by chance LG learned of it (since AG was so distraught) which caused all of them to become involved in Tara's disappearance?

I'm sorry and I don't mean to be disrespectful or make light of a woman's disappearing, but it seems like some of the stuff here is getting farfetched in MO.

Does anyone here have any concrete evidence of an affair between HD and TG or is everything info-wise available come from what someone else said? I mean like any pictures of them holding hands or kissing? Any eyewitnesses see them doing what lovers do? I know IJM posted that her source would testify, but to what exactly? I don't know at this point what happened there but I guess I'm not convinced yet......


All MO,
R

i'd still like to hear your reasoning for thinking that it is not feasible that tg and hd were involved in a relationship based on the information that has been presented. i'd like to believe otherwise myself but have had a hard time doing that with what has been revealed. ie - him at her home at midnight with a wife and kids at home, him calling her at 10:20pm on saturday night, him making multiple calls to her home and leaving distressed messages, him crying in the parking lot on monday, his wife leaving him briefly after tg's disappearance, popcorn proclaiming that they were involved in a relationship, etc, etc i am open to being convinced it was all innocent though. :)

[The R]

i'd still like to hear your reasoning for thinking that it is not feasible that tg and hd were involved in a relationship based on the information that has been presented. i'd like to believe otherwise myself but have had a hard time doing that with what has been revealed. ie - him at her home at midnight with a wife and kids at home, him calling her at 10:20pm on saturday night, him making multiple calls to her home and leaving distressed messages, him crying in the parking lot on monday, his wife leaving him briefly after tg's disappearance, popcorn proclaiming that they were involved in a relationship, etc, etc i am open to being convinced it was all innocent though. :)

RML,

Sorry I haven't done this yet. I'll either post it in the morning or PM you then.


R

[readmylips]

RML,

Sorry I haven't done this yet. I'll either post it in the morning or PM you then.


Rtks. i didn't mean to be obnoxious, it just looked like it may have been buried in fluffiness. ;)

i would like to mention also that early on in the case ag mentioned to a local that hd went to tara's home on sunday evening. 6 or 7pm iirc. if that is the case and we assume ag's info to be accurate and popcorn's info to be accurate then that puts him at her home twice in the same day. very confusing to me.

[odette]

<snip> I wonder what his explanation is for the card and if he says he really left it? is it possible somebody else put the card there as if to point to HD? or has HD ADMITTED to anyone that he did leave his business card in her door? if he's told this, then yup he did it, but if we dont' have official word about this card, could it be fluff? <snip>

If you go to this thead, "Strange/Odd Information about Tara's Whereabouts" and read in particular, Post #131 ~ 12-09-2006, 05:03 PM, which may help to clarify things for you regarding the 'card in the door'.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=269281&page=7

JMHO

[odette]

tks. i didn't mean to be obnoxious, it just looked like it may have been buried in fluffiness. ;)

i would like to mention also that early on in the case ag mentioned to a local that hd went to tara's home on sunday evening. 6 or 7pm iirc. if that is the case and we assume ag's info to be accurate and popcorn's info to be accurate then that puts him at her home twice in the same day. very confusing to me.
<snip> i would like to mention also that early on in the case ag mentioned to a local that hd went to tara's home on sunday evening. 6 or 7pm iirc.<snip>
So here we have HD at Tara's between 6:00pm and 7:00pm on Sunday 23 October as well as a few hours later on 12:15am Monday 24 October!.

It was posted on the first Tara forum that the card which HD left on Tara's door was seen there during daylight hours. I wonder what time on the Sunday/daylight hours that it was seen there in the door?.

I have asked here many times "Has HD taken a LDT?" to no avail. It has never been reported in the media that he has taken a LDT. IMO I seriously doubt that he has ever taken a LDT in regards to Tara's 'disappearance'. If he hasn't taken one, he needs to be hooked up to a Lie Detector without delay.

JMHO

[odette]

Correction to my above post:
"So here we have HD at Tara's at either 6:00pm or 7:00pm on Sunday 23 October as well as a few hours later on 12:15am Monday 24 October!."

JMHO

[mooloo]

Him hiding his car at the P's while he visited Tara, on more than one occasion. If he's just there as a friend, why hide the car?


i'd still like to hear your reasoning for thinking that it is not feasible that tg and hd were involved in a relationship based on the information that has been presented. i'd like to believe otherwise myself but have had a hard time doing that with what has been revealed. ie - him at her home at midnight with a wife and kids at home, him calling her at 10:20pm on saturday night, him making multiple calls to her home and leaving distressed messages, him crying in the parking lot on monday, his wife leaving him briefly after tg's disappearance, popcorn proclaiming that they were involved in a relationship, etc, etc i am open to being convinced it was all innocent though. :)

[Fun4You]

I'm wondering about something else: ME...
She was the third last person to speak with Tara on the phone, she always let Tara make her up for the pagents, Tara did her hair, make up etc. but not this particular time, ME went to someone else.
She was in the same bar as MH, at the same time, and called from that bar to Tara. What was said during that phonecall??? Why call so late if she hadn't seen Tara that day because Tara didn't help her?
I find the events surrounding ME that particular day very strange, if I think outside the box of HD being a POI and I go back to MH then it makes sense... ME was playing along with MH to get Tara outside her house to meet somewhere, maybe Tara thought she was going to meet ME but MH waited for her instead and then the worst case scenario happened, ME was just the loose switch that bounds this all together so to speak.
I find it strange that she didn't let Tara do her make up and hair that day and the same day she goes missing. Maybe she knew beforehand and didn't go to Tara because she knew she would feel very guilty afterwards. This is al my speculation but I get the feeling this ME is somehow overlooked in this case as she could be a very important key to solve this also.
This case is getting stranger by the day and I really feel for LE and the PI who are on this, it must be so frustrating with all these different things that could've played out.

[dixinites]

Him hiding his car at the P's while he visited Tara, on more than one occasion. If he's just there as a friend, why hide the car?

This is the second time I've seen this referenced and I was wondering where the information came from. Who observed HD's car parked at the P's?

Also, if he did park there (not saying he did or didn't), how awkward is that? Did he ask permission or offer an explanation? Did Tara? Or did he just park there and assume the P's would "mind their own business"? I'm guessing the latter, cuz I just can't imagine someone telling MrP, "Uh, I hope you don't mind, but my 'friend' needs to park his car in your yard since he's married and it wouldn't look good if he parked at my house. Thanks!"

[Lindsey]

Good point! What makes us think he parked at the P's house? IIRC, wasn't the house on the other side of Tara's vacant? I always thought he pulled into that area. I stand to be corrected, JMHO.

There isn't a house "on the other side" of Tara's. The house she lived in is on a corner lot.

[fsbiii]

He parked in the Portier's yard according to someone who saw it, more than once, and has firmly told LE the same thing. FWIW.

Good point! What makes us think he parked at the P's house? IIRC, wasn't the house on the other side of Tara's vacant? I always thought he pulled into that area. I stand to be corrected, JMHO.

[hypnotized]

Does anyone know if there is there any connection with HD & the Porter's, other than they lived across the street from Tara? :read:

[readmylips]

Does anyone know if there is there any connection with HD & the Porter's, other than they lived across the street from Tara? :read:
it's portier, they lived next door and tmk there is no connection btwn them and hd.

[hypnotized]

it's portier, they lived next door and tmk there is no connection btwn them and hd.

Thanks for your info and your correction on my spelling! :)

[mooloo]

An attempt to hide his car from her students, neighbors (other than the Ps), etc.

if he parked in a neighbor's yard, this was an attempt to hide his car from???
his wife? but if she followed him, she would think he was visiting Mr. Portiers home and if she looked up the address, she would get his name too so that would not give TG's name or personal info away to her. what did HD think his wife would do if she saw him there? confront him? or cause trouble for TG?

[mooloo]

Listen closely, children. MH's step-mother is ME's aunt, ME's mother and MH's stepmother are sisters. ME and MH are not blood-related and did not grow up together.

There was some discussion a few months back about the ME call. IIRC, a poster came to the boards and stated that ME and MH were cousins of some sort who really didn't know each other that well. IIRC, it was also stated that ME called Tara while she was still at home getting ready to go out. IMO and JMHO, stand to be corrected.

[Brainstorm]

Just noticed while looking at the above posts HD had been by Tara's around 6 or 7pm on Sunday(supposedly told by AG) The questions keep piling up,don't they? Suppose we'll ever get answers?
MOO

[BroadwayJoe]

FWIW I do not believe that HD was trying to keep his affair with Tara 'under wraps' ... good grief, half the town knew about the affair!. I believe that was the least of his worries at that point in time IMO. The 20+ messages from HD (Sunday 23 Oct.) left on Tara's answerphone, where he was heard professing his love for her ect, tells me that he wanted it to be 'known' that he loved Tara and that he was 'oh so concerned' about her whereabouts. I believe that he left all those messages for a 'specific reason, ie 'staged' them, for reasons known only to him. On the first Tara forum, it was posted that HD was heard crying on these answerphone messages as well. Fact or fiction I don't know, but that is what was posted. Seems to me that this man was doing quite a bit of crying that weekend and on into the Monday where he was witnessed crying in the OPD parking lot. Now, I don't know if HD has been polygraphed or not, (TMK It has never been reported that he has) but if he has not he certainly needs to be given a LDT and the results made public.


JMHO

No offense, but I have one question. Would you cry if you thought your good friend (or best friend as reported by some) had been murdered? I don't know about you, but I would definately shed a few tears, man or not, public or not.

[Brainstorm]

BJ,who said or what made him think-that soon after she was reported MISSING-that she had been MURDERED? She might have simply went to the beach for a couple of days to "clear her head".
JMO

[concernedperson]

No offense, but I have one question. Would you cry if you thought your good friend (or best friend as reported by some) had been murdered? I don't know about you, but I would definately shed a few tears, man or not, public or not.

So, I guess the tears in the parking lot at OPD was true. I never really knew what to think.

[Brainstorm]

I would think his training would kick in and instead of CRYING he would immediately start doing all the thing LE does-questions,phone calls-helping other LE who was in charge-anything but breaking down,THAT SOON !!! WHY WOULD HE THINK SHE HAD BEEN MURDERED????? Unless,HE KNEW........
JMHO

[dixinites]

No offense, but I have one question. Would you cry if you thought your good friend (or best friend as reported by some) had been murdered? I don't know about you, but I would definately shed a few tears, man or not, public or not.

Well, I understand him being a little on edge after being at Tara's till after midnight and having to drive 90 miles back home and all...but did anyone else cry? Was AG crying, LG, MHU...anyone else? Wasn't it a little early in the investigation to "assume the worst"?

And by the way, BJoe, how we comin' along on that info about HD's polygraph and work schedule for Monday? Any progress? Anyone else's poly or alibi you want to share with us while you're at it? Did you leave anyone else off the list?

[Results]

No offense, but I have one question. Would you cry if you thought your good friend (or best friend as reported by some) had been murdered? I don't know about you, but I would definately shed a few tears, man or not, public or not.


BJ, are you handing us the "smoking gun" saying that HD knew Tara was murdered Monday in the parking lot at the OPD? Thank you I needed confirmation that he knew. Your source may have brains afterall!

[odette]

No offense, but I have one question. Would you cry if you thought your good friend (or best friend as reported by some) had been murdered? I don't know about you, but I would definately shed a few tears, man or not, public or not.

No offense BJ but you are asking me a question? .. Why will you not answer any of my questions?.

In answer to your question, would I cry if I 'thought' my best friend had been murdered?. I would have to 'know' that they were murdered, not 'think' that he/she had been, especially so early on in the piece. My tears would come later when I 'knew' that a murder had been committed.

Now back to HD ..There was absoloutly no reason, at that point in time, for HD to 'think' that Tara had been 'murdered .. What on earth would make him 'think' that?. Are you trying to say that HD 'knew' that Tara had been murdered?.

Tara had not even been reported missing when HD made the 20+ calls to Tara's answerphone. He was heard to be crying on these messages as well as witnessed crying in the OPD parking lot on the Monday. Do I think all this crying that HD was doing was strange, so early on in the picture?. Yes I do.

JMHO

[dixinites]

Well, BJoe, I can only say that you are very..uh..brave?..yeah brave, to continue to come time and again into the lion's den and ask questions, but answer none. Yeah, I think I meant brave...

[Brainstorm]

I've never understood AG getting to Ocilla "later in the day".IMO it probably takes a WHILE to get "fixed-up" you know,make-up,hair,what clothes to wear,
such things that seem to be important to HER. If I heard my sister was missing,I'd show up in my pjs' and probably get a speeding ticket en route.
JMHO

[dixinites]

BJoe, didn't you state somewhere that you are in LE...I'll have to ck my notes...but I thought I read that somewhere...Anyway, would you have any other information or comment regarding HD's behavior that weekend?

I thought it odd that he left a card myself...When you go by a friend's house and they're not home, do you leave a business card? I personally grab my most recent Walmart receipt and jot off a note, like "Just dropped by" or "Call me" or something like that, even tho I have a bushel basket of business cards...I think if one of my friends left a business card on my door, I would think they were being sarcastic or something...like, "what's up with that? Susie Q must be miffed with me about something", cuz it's kind of impersonal, you know...

[dixinites]

I've never understood AG getting to Ocilla "later in the day".IMO it probably takes a WHILE to get "fixed-up" you know,make-up,hair,what clothes to wear,
such things that seem to be important to HER. If I heard my sister was missing,I'd show up in my pjs' and probably get a speeding ticket en route.
JMHO

:beer: VERRRRY good point. Same here.

[BroadwayJoe]

BJ,who said or what made him think-that soon after she was reported MISSING-that she had been MURDERED? She might have simply went to the beach for a couple of days to "clear her head".
JMO
IMO he knew Tara well enough to know she wouldn't just take off to clear her head, and also I believe, based on what I've been told, that Tara confided in him. With all that said, he probably assumed that harm had come to Tara and he was understandably distraught as a result. JMHO.

[Results]

BJ if you are not a close friend of HD he is going to say you are a fruitcake and if he is your friend he is going to beat the **** out of you and that so sad for you BJ because you already had one smack down now you going to get another one. I would just say you were still suffering from head trama. :shrug: JMHO

[Brainstorm]

No offense, but I have one question. Would you cry if you thought your good friend (or best friend as reported by some) had been murdered? I don't know about you, but I would definately shed a few tears, man or not, public or not.

"(or best friend as reported by some)" now can someone tell me where THAT came from? I would think his WIFE should be his BEST FRIEND. I am beginning to feel sorry for HD wife.(if she's not involved) He must really have her DUPED!!!! Talk about standing by your man !! I DON'T THINK SO !!!!

[Results]

IMO he knew Tara well enough to know she wouldn't just take off to clear her head, and also I believe, based on what I've been told, that Tara confided in him. With all that said, he probably assumed that harm had come to Tara and he was understandably distraught as a result. JMHO.

Now you are confirming that HD was protecting Tara because she was in danger. Then why did he go there and DO NOTHING!!!!!!!! YOU SAY HE HAS NO AFFAIR TO HIDE THEN WHY DID HE DO NOTHING?????????????

[Brainstorm]

IMO he knew Tara well enough to know she wouldn't just take off to clear her head, and also I believe, based on what I've been told, that Tara confided in him. With all that said, he probably assumed that harm had come to Tara and he was understandably distraught as a result. JMHO.

If he knew her that well and she confided in him,then why did he tell in that phone interview that he hadn't seen her in WEEKS? Why did he not tell about being there on Sunday night until Dr. G spilled it? Come on now BJ ?
MOO

[odette]

And I guess HD's wife split with him, temporarily, just because he was protecting Tara from "the danger"?

IMO, Tara was in as much "danger" as a pig at a Chik-Fi-La. This is an utter crock of conspiracy stew, and it's rancid to the bottom of the bowl.

The above quote sums up the 'Tara was in danger' story so well, IMO

JMHO

[dixinites]

IMO he knew Tara well enough to know she wouldn't just take off to clear her head, and also I believe, based on what I've been told, that Tara confided in him. With all that said, he probably assumed that harm had come to Tara and he was understandably distraught as a result. JMHO.

So basically...hrmmm...you're saying that her own family did not know her as well as he? ***Clears throat*** Her mother wasn't even there and her sister wasn't there til late in the day because the situation was so clear...

I must ask you BJOE, (you don't mind if I call you Bjoe, right), based on what you've been told and all, Tara had confided to him WHAT exactly...WEEEEKS before she disappeared?

Oh, and did you ever ask anyone about HD's LDT or not? Just jump in here anywhere, (probably would help if you'd label your answers 1-10...).

[Results]

HD don't have no alibi he was at Tara's in the daytime and left a card Sunday. Then was there either 6 or 7 PM Sunday and in October that is at night. Then 12:15 AM AGAIN. He was at Tara's practically all day Sunday. He was so concerned he went there that many times and DID NOTHING. HE DON'T HAVE NO A-L-I-B-I
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I'd really like to know what kind of ALIBI he gave the MRS. that day(Sunday) and all night Sunday night. Surely he HAD to give her one?
MHO

[dixinites]

WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL YOUR SOURCES, THE ONES WITH THE BRAINS!!!!!!?
C'mon BJoe, I can't sleep til I find out!!!!!

[dixinites]

I can't believe that HD had ALL that time to come up with an answer to the simple question about when he had spoken to/seen Tara last and in his ONLY interview he says WEEKS BEFORE.

:patriot: DrG. I have to salute you for making the phone info public, intentionally or not, that was quite a revelation.

[Brainstorm]

BJ,it is apparent that you are a good friend of HD,IMO.I want to ask you a question.Have you not once,for even a moment had a doubt that he harmed Tara? Be honest now.With all the rumors,speculations,facts(what few have come out)have you NEVER thought HE COULD HAVE harmed Tara? Have you ever-just to satisfy your own mind-point blank asked HD if he killed Tara?
JMVHO

[Results]

HD's card was seen in the door in the daytime Sunday. HD is now back at Tara's yard either 6 or 7 PM Sunday according to AG. The neighbors come home from the farm around 7 or 7:30 PM Sunday. Tara's car is there and no lights on. A white male in a black truck parked in Tara's yard has a confrontation with a kid according to AG between a time frame of 8 to 10 PM on Sunday. HD back again at 12:15 AM Monday several hours before Tara is reported missing. All this commotion in Tara's yard and there is not one clue of what happened to her? How could the perp come back with HD there practically all day and night? Now if that would have been MH doing all this activity well we all know what would have happened then. I don't get why HD gets a free ride. NOONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. I just don't see how there are no clues with that much activity in Tara's yard Sunday! What was HD doing making those staged phone calls from Tara's yard while he was there? Why call so many times when he is there that many times? You would think he would be able to hear Tara's phone ringing inside the house wouldn't that alarm him to know that Tara's phone is in the house but Tara is not and he knew her so well afterall they were bestfriends that she would never go off and leave her cellphone! How many RED FLAGS did he need to know something wasn't right? He calls a Mother after Midnight to ask about her daughter and he is a police officer he would know how alarming that would be for a Mother to get a phone call that late at night? Yet he still does nothing. Tara vanished without a trace with that much activity in her yard? JMHO

[Brainstorm]

HD's card was seen in the door in the daytime Sunday. HD is now back at Tara's yard either 6 or 7 PM Sunday according to AG. The neighbors come home from the farm around 7 or 7:30 PM Sunday. Tara's car is there and no lights on. A white male in a black truck parked in Tara's yard has a confrontation with a kid according to AG between a time frame of 8 to 10 PM on Sunday. HD back again at 12:15 AM Monday several hours before Tara is reported missing. All this commotion in Tara's yard and there is not one clue of what happened to her? How could the perp come back with HD there practically all day and night? Now if that would have been MH doing all this activity well we all know what would have happened then. I don't get why HD gets a free ride. NOONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. I just don't see how there are no clues with that much activity in Tara's yard Sunday! What was HD doing making those staged phone calls from Tara's yard while he was there? Why call so many times when he is there that many times? You would think he would be able to hear Tara's phone ringing inside the house wouldn't that alarm him to know that Tara's phone is in the house but Tara is not and he knew her so well afterall they were bestfriends that she would never go off and leave her cellphone! How many RED FLAGS did he need to know something wasn't right? He calls a Mother after Midnight to ask about her daughter and he is a police officer he would know how alarming that would be for a Mother to get a phone call that late at night? Yet he still does nothing. Tara vanished without a trace with that much activity in her yard? JMHO

I totally agree and I firmly believe HD KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE TARA IS !!!
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Another thought-how many RED FLAGS does LE need before they find out what happened to Tara?
MOO

[Results]

Another thought-how many RED FLAGS does LE need before they find out what happened to Tara?
MOO

IMO it sure looks like something is going on! :beer:

[odette]

HD's card was seen in the door in the daytime Sunday. HD is now back at Tara's yard either 6 or 7 PM Sunday according to AG. The neighbors come home from the farm around 7 or 7:30 PM Sunday. Tara's car is there and no lights on. A white male in a black truck parked in Tara's yard has a confrontation with a kid according to AG between a time frame of 8 to 10 PM on Sunday. HD back again at 12:15 AM Monday several hours before Tara is reported missing. All this commotion in Tara's yard and there is not one clue of what happened to her? How could the perp come back with HD there practically all day and night? Now if that would have been MH doing all this activity well we all know what would have happened then. I don't get why HD gets a free ride. NOONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. I just don't see how there are no clues with that much activity in Tara's yard Sunday! What was HD doing making those staged phone calls from Tara's yard while he was there? Why call so many times when he is there that many times? You would think he would be able to hear Tara's phone ringing inside the house wouldn't that alarm him to know that Tara's phone is in the house but Tara is not and he knew her so well afterall they were bestfriends that she would never go off and leave her cellphone! How many RED FLAGS did he need to know something wasn't right? He calls a Mother after Midnight to ask about her daughter and he is a police officer he would know how alarming that would be for a Mother to get a phone call that late at night? Yet he still does nothing. Tara vanished without a trace with that much activity in her yard? JMHO

Great post Results .. Looking at what you have laid out there in your post, I can't for the life of me understand why HD hasn't been strapped up to a Lie Detector long before now. This latest revelation that HD was at Tara's at either 6:00pm or 7:00pm on Sunday 23 October just blows me away. I wonder if his vehicle was hidden out of sight (again) on that particular visit, for the neighbor's not to have mentioned seeing it when they arrived home?.

JMHO

[odette]

We have been told that HD watched a "ballgame with friends" on the Saturday night, ie 22 Oct. 2005. As his wife wasn't mentioned, (ie the person/persons mentioned as being able to provide an alibi for his whereabouts for at least part of that night) I take it that this gathering of friends was away from the HD home. Where did HD go when the ballgame was over?. Did he go home to his wife that night or did he drive to Ocilla?.

JMHO

[Fun4You]

LE is probably asking how many red flags we have to get to realize they aren't telling us anything that will compromise their investigation.

If I had to bet, i would be that we won't ever hear anything else from LE or AG about TG, ever. But I hope i'm wrong.

I really am beginning to think there is more to this whole bunch of LE guys, you know, one for all and all for one or something like that...
HD is afterall a well respected high flyer there so maybe someone important to the case (someone who can manipulate the investigation from inside out) owded him a favor and so this is all swept under the rug. For them it's just a matter of time, till someone hopefully stumbles upon her remains somewhere deep inside the bushes, a place not very easily visited and maybe after all this time, totally overgrown..

IMO a good investigative team should be put on this case, some people from outside of these towns because the way it's going right now, I honestly don't think Tara will be found soon, especially if the ones you are supposed to trust are backstabbing you at the same time...

[Brainstorm]

I really am beginning to think there is more to this whole bunch of LE guys, you know, one for all and all for one or something like that...
HD is afterall a well respected high flyer there so maybe someone important to the case (someone who can manipulate the investigation from inside out) owded him a favor and so this is all swept under the rug. For them it's just a matter of time, till someone hopefully stumbles upon her remains somewhere deep inside the bushes, a place not very easily visited and maybe after all this time, totally overgrown..

IMO a good investigative team should be put on this case, some people from outside of these towns because the way it's going right now, I honestly don't think Tara will be found soon, especially if the ones you are supposed to trust are backstabbing you at the same time...


"HD is afterall a well respected high flyer....." WHAT????????
Maybe to anyone who don't read the papers or have acsess to the internet or don't know he's a liar(IMO) and CHEATS on his wife or maybe in Belgium.

NO offense to you personally but "NOT !!!!"
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

yeh,yeh,right.So the devil-according to my understanding- is able to decieve,munipulate,control,possess and DESTROY.So yeh,your right-I give the devil his due.
JMHO

[dixinites]

Yep, I finally gave up and went to bed...shaking my head and mumbling...

BUT, today is a new DAY!

[dixinites]

he sleeps with his wife last i heard. you sound like a very angry person who was maybe cheated on before and if so i cant say i am surprised by that.

OUCH! Where did THAT come from...:shrug:

[dixinites]

i believe le knows what happened to tara and thats my belief and my opinion and no more comment.

Well, at least THERE'S some good news!:D

[Brainstorm]

he sleeps with his wife last i heard. you sound like a very angry person who was maybe cheated on before and if so i cant say i am surprised by that.

Geez,Mannequin,I don't see where that came from either. I understood dixis' post to mean how can this man rest peacefuly knowing he has lied,cheated and such.No anger towards anyone else.

HOW CAN THIS MAN SLEEP AT NIGHT ?

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

bj, yes, i would cry too if I thought my best friend, close friend, girl friend, boy friend,whatever was reported missing. we don't know that hd thought tg was murdered because he's never told us that so it's heresay but we just know he cried. did he TELL somebody he was crying cause he though she was dead? and if i was a member of LE, i'm sure it would sting me even more to know that i was in that line of work and i couldn't keep my friend safe from whatever. in defense of emotional people may i say that i've been known to cry while watching the Folger's Coffee commercial where the big brother comes home and the little sister sees him, they make coffee and you know the one, so if a friend went missing yes i would cry. did anyone see AG or LG cry somebody asked? i would think her mama and sister would have been there together, crying. her sister didn't arrive in ocilla till late in the day that tg was reported missing and i read her mama didn't go to ocilla at all. we have our ideas about things but how do we really know who to criticize for anything?

Maybe there's a possibility HD cried because he thought he was busted - :shrug: JMO

[Brainstorm]

That's a good point O2S,I hadn't thought of it that way,exactly. He was crying for himself,not becauce his friend was missing.It was way too soon to be crying about that IMO. He is,IMO a very selfish type,self centered,even having an affair would show this.Thinking of his wants and desires,instead of his wife and family. SO---HE WAS CRYING FOR HIMSELF--HE THOUGHT HE HAD BEEN BUSTED !!!! I think that makes a lot of sense

[Results]

he sleeps with his wife last i heard. you sound like a very angry person who was maybe cheated on before and if so i cant say i am surprised by that.

What kind of person are you to even ask if a married couple is sleeping together..that is kinda nosey and a little to much information don't you think? You must be a HD stalker. You send me a PM telling me to back off HD and now you out here talking about his sex life and this really concerns me. Is someone standing outside their bedroom window taking notes or is this just a regular conversation about sleeping arrangements that is in your every day conversation? As far as a cheater goes why don't you ask Ms. GD how bad it hurt since she left him and apparently it hurt her enough to leave him. Your remark clearly shows you don't have a lick of sense. :punch: maybe that will help to knock some sense into you. Your remark about a cheater and to insult someone saying they deserved it or your not surprised it happened to them cleary shows your character. You should be proud of yourself because you just showed us all again what an ASS you are! That felt so good I think I will do it again :punch: . JMHO