The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[TuscanDreams]

From the males in this case, how many had wives and or girlfriends at the time that Tara went missing? I really don't know and I brushed through this thread to find out and gave up on page 12 or something like that.

If you know, can you please tell me who, in the men involved in this case, had wives or girlfriends at the time Tara disappeared?

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Merrick


Well, we know JoeP had MyrtleP, LarryG had AnitaG, HeathD had MrsD, MH was shopping outside of Ocilla and may have had some 18 year old, no idea about anyone else. AV ? SF ? ML ? RR ? JH ? ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ ??????

Thank you, that's a start!

[Results]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
From the males in this case, how many had wives and or girlfriends at the time that Tara went missing? I really don't know and I brushed through this thread to find out and gave up on page 12 or something like that.

If you know, can you please tell me who, in the men involved in this case, had wives or girlfriends at the time Tara disappeared?

From the newest article about the relationships (not trying to bash Tara by any means) this could be a chore. I think it would take a local to help with this one. I'm willing to explore this avenue and ask anyone that knows about the women in this case connected to the males in this case if you can assist in this avenue please do so. TIA JMHO

[fsbiii]

"The males in this case" is the sticking point for this inquiry. There are dozens of mens' DNA samples on file now, many names that haven't been mentioned on this forum or any other, and trying to peg them here for wives or girlfriends' names would be a daunting task IMO. Not to mention any other guys that haven't been found out (or come forward on their own as some have, IMO). I agree that the topic is a good one, and it is something that would be good to figure out. The how and who would be a mountain to climb though.

Originally posted by Results


From the newest article about the relationships (not trying to bash Tara by any means) this could be a chore. I think it would take a local to help with this one. I'm willing to explore this avenue and ask anyone that knows about the women in this case connected to the males in this case if you can assist in this avenue please do so. TIA JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"The males in this case" is the sticking point for this inquiry. There are dozens of mens' DNA samples on file now, many names that haven't been mentioned on this forum or any other, and trying to peg them here for wives or girlfriends' names would be a daunting task IMO. Not to mention any other guys that haven't been found out (or come forward on their own as some have, IMO). I agree that the topic is a good one, and it is something that would be good to figure out. The how and who would be a mountain to climb though.



Very well said and I agree with you 100%. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"The males in this case" is the sticking point for this inquiry. There are dozens of mens' DNA samples on file now, many names that haven't been mentioned on this forum or any other, and trying to peg them here for wives or girlfriends' names would be a daunting task IMO. Not to mention any other guys that haven't been found out (or come forward on their own as some have, IMO). I agree that the topic is a good one, and it is something that would be good to figure out. The how and who would be a mountain to climb though.



I am like Results I agree with you 100%.

[dixinites]

For consideration: It is also possible that a female involved with a male POI could have been the perp (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and the male POI could have become an accomplice after the fact in regard to hiding the body and evidence...and there is more than one male/ female duo that could fill this bill. Just a thought...

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by dixinites
For consideration: It is also possible that a female involved with a male POI could have been the perp (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and the male POI could have become an accomplice after the fact in regard to hiding the body and evidence...and there is more than one male/ female duo that could fill this bill. Just a thought...

- I hadn't thought of a male covering up for a female perpetrator. :beer: Great post.

[dixinites]

Yes, Merrick, I have a couple of scenarios I'm kicking around...I will get back to you on that, once I have them tweaked, but they involve a couple of different POIs, their corresponding female POIs and a couple of different possibilities for each. It's not too difficult to speculate on motives, but extremely difficult to speculate on opportunity without ANY data on the whereabouts of some of these peeps during the times in question.

Sorry, I didn't read your post more thoroughly before posting my last one. I do see now where you mentioned the possibility of a female perp. My opinion has leaned in that direction for quite some time. If you have any theories along the same lines, I'd be interested to hear yours, as well...

[dixinites]

Merrick, or anyone else who wants to share:

I need a few bits of info that I am not clear on. During what time frame did the person who allegedly (choosing words carefully here...lol) called Tara 20+ times, call her...starting late Sat PM/early Sun AM? When did this person allegedly leave a card on the door? Can you tell me where I can "re"-locate this info?

Also, do you know where it was written, other than speculative posts, that a friend of Tara's called her from or on the way to a bar where Tara's ex-boyfriend was listening to a band? I thought I read it in a news story (most likely) or in an interview.

Useful and reference info is so scattered on this board, that it is extremely difficult to find anything you're looking for. I don't want to generate another tirade of spam here, so feel free to PM me.

WARNING: Do not engage!!! I have an ignore button, and I know how to use it!

[dixinites]

...and Merrick, you can call me watever you like 'cept "late for dinner"...lol.

[odette]

Originally posted by mooloo
Because if a teacher doesn't show up and has no sub and has not notified school people, it is EXTREMELY strange. Unlike people who work in offices and such, a teacher has children that must be supervised. Teachers can't just not come in, they have to make prior arrangements. Okay, let me rephrase that. Dedicated teachers (which Tara was) can't do that. There are some that do that, but they are few and far between. Tara would NOT have done that---be a no show without notifying her principal or some school personnel.



This post which I have quoted got me to thinking. If Tara had 'planned on running away', (I personally don't think that she did) but if she did, being the conscientious, dedicated teacher that she, by all accounts was, wouldn't she have made prior arrangements with the school to have a sub. in place to cover her shift on Monday 24th of October, thus giving her even more time to 'make her escape' go unnoticed?.

I believe with all my heart that the reason Tara did not arrange for a sub. to cover for her, was because she fully intended on being there at the school herself on Monday 24th October.

JMOO

[heartskeep]

Originally posted by odette


This post which I have quoted got me to thinking. If Tara had 'planned on running away', (I personally don't think that she did) but if she did, being the conscientious, dedicated teacher that she, by all accounts was, wouldn't she have made prior arrangements with the school to have a sub. in place to cover her shift on Monday 24th of October, thus giving her even more time to 'make her escape' go unnoticed?.

I believe with all my heart that the reason Tara did not arrange for a sub. to cover for her, was because she fully intended on being there at the school herself on Monday 24th October.

JMOO

VERY good point!! Because I have never believed Tara left on her own, I've never even thought about this! Make a lot of sense! Good to know there are some things which do---they're so few & far between.

[fsbiii]

Just arguing the flip side, if she intended to disappear without a trace (and leave folks wondering if it was foul play) she would not arrange for a substitute teacher to be there Monday morning, IMO. If she chose to escape her life all together, I think she would have cut off the conscientious, dedicated teacher attributes, as well.

Originally posted by odette


This post which I have quoted got me to thinking. If Tara had 'planned on running away', (I personally don't think that she did) but if she did, being the conscientious, dedicated teacher that she, by all accounts was, wouldn't she have made prior arrangements with the school to have a sub. in place to cover her shift on Monday 24th of October, thus giving her even more time to 'make her escape' go unnoticed?.

I believe with all my heart that the reason Tara did not arrange for a sub. to cover for her, was because she fully intended on being there at the school herself on Monday 24th October.

JMOO

[Aussie]

I agree FSBIII, she wouldn't organize a sub as it would have been way too obvious on Tues morn.

[dixinites]

Just from a female neatnik point of view...From the earliest dated pictures I've seen (not the obvious "staged for dramatic effect" ones by CBaron) the room looked a little messy. Just stuff left lying around, left there by a bunch of females getting ready for a pageant...Tara included, by the looks of all the clothes on hangers on the closet door, makeup on bathroom counter, etc.)
If Tara had helped people get ready all afternoon, and then had to rush to get ready herself, she would have had no time to "tidy-up".

If she was planning on fleeing, for whatever reason, knowing that alot of people would be in her house afterward looking for her, I just don't think she would have left it quite so messyfor all the world to see. I don't think she would have put EVERYTHING away, just tidyed up her clothes a bit, etc. If she was in the state of mind so as not to even think of this before she left, I think she wouldn't have even gone to the bbq after the pageant.
I think she would have gone straight home and prepared to leave. "Neatnik" is in your bones, second nature. JMO.

[dixinites]

To add to my previous post: I have a dear friend who broke up with her boyfriend, was having alot of financial problems, etc. and she decided one afternoon to commit suicide by taking pills. She was intercepted by a relative, taken to a hospital and survived.
She told me later, that after deciding to do this to herself, she "cleaned up her house" before finishing off the pills. She didn't want anyone to see it messy. Now this may be an extreme case, but she is a neatfreak and very conscientious about her appearance, etc.

Which would also explain, perhaps, why AG did all the bed-making and tidying up in the bedroom (not that she should have, of course), because maybe she thought Tara would be embarrassed by the messy room on national TV. JMO.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by dixinites
To add to my previous post: I have a dear friend who broke up with her boyfriend, was having alot of financial problems, etc. and she decided one afternoon to commit suicide by taking pills. She was intercepted by a relative, taken to a hospital and survived.
SNIP
Which would also explain, perhaps, why AG did all the bed-making and tidying up in the bedroom (not that she should have, of course), because maybe she thought Tara would be embarrassed by the messy room on national TV. JMO.

I'm glad your friend survived! :rose:

My views on AG are differnent, I think that she made the crime scene pristine because SHE wanted to look good. I don't think this was about Tara- her 'messy' little sister. It's all about appearances.

Sorry, I don't mean to bag on AG, she's the victim's sister. That's just my opinion.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


I'm glad your friend survived! :rose:

My views on AG are differnent, I think that she made the crime scene pristine because SHE wanted to look good. I don't think this was about Tara- her 'messy' little sister. It's all about appearances.

Sorry, I don't mean to bag on AG, she's the victim's sister. That's just my opinion.

Your opinion is shared my me. And it is backed by a myriad of inconsistancies and insertions by AG that can only lead to this presumption.

[odette]

Baptist Church Planters

F*** & M**** H******, Perry, GA - January 20, 2006
We will not be going to the jail for services for the new two Sundays. This Sunday, January 22, we have been asked by the department to be in a Law Enforcement Appreciation Service, C**** S*******, who was shot in 2004 and saved in December 2005 will be giving his testimony. Captain D****, who was saved along with his wife about the same time as C****, will be sharing too............

http://www.bcpusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=92&Itemid=79&lang=

[Atok]

Not sure the reason for posting that, but this blurb seems to state that HD was "saved" two months after Tara went missing. This implies he and his wife made a committment or began a new relationship with the Lord after the tragedy.

I can see why this might occur, yet it doesn't tell me anything more about his potential involvment or not in that case.

Regardless of his religious committments, the man has a lot to answer to IMO and I hope that he does so using whatever strength he can find, divine or otherwise.

[odette]

Originally posted by Atok
Not sure the reason for posting that, but this blurb seems to state that HD was "saved" two months after Tara went missing. This implies he and his wife made a committment or began a new relationship with the Lord after the tragedy.

I can see why this might occur, yet it doesn't tell me anything more about his potential involvment or not in that case.

Regardless of his religious committments, the man has a lot to answer to IMO and I hope that he does so using whatever strength he can find, divine or otherwise.

The reason that I posted that was because I thought that it was an interesting insight into Captain D**** personal life, a month or so after Tara disappeared. We have precious little info. regarding his personal life, hence the reason I posted the piece.

FWIW ... HD remains my number one POI.

[Atok]

We do know so little.

Maybe his new found relationship with God will make it possible for him to deal with his life as it is today and maybe it will have an impact on what he shares regarding this case.

I believe that man has answers alot of us would like to have. May God loosen his tongue.

[Results]

It is very true that we know so little about him and I must say that you must have been researching and digging to try to find out anything and everything about HD. My hat goes off to you. I see this information very interesting indeed. Could it be that when Ms. ****s left him that when she decided to give their marriage another chance that this was one of her demands and that it was like starting over for them? I don't know? I hope that he has been saved and he does the right thing now and come forward with what happened between Tara and himself. We shall see but IMO I'm not buying that crap. I don't have the right to judge him on his faith if he is saved or not but I do have the right to have my opinion and my opinion is every single time this man, HD, comes out smelling like a rose no matter what. IF MH would have been at Tara's house that weekend how many of you can say MH would have been your #1 POI and you would not be fence sitters but you would have been on the wagon MH was responsible. Yet some how HD pulled it off which just proves my opinion he comes out smelling like a rose. While I'm on the subject of HD again let me go ahead and throw another one out there you have Tara and HD inside of Tara's house and here comes AV banging on the door out of control and what does HD do...nothing. He did nothing. HD let Tara go outside her home to try to calm down a man, AV, that was clearly upset and out of control by his actions and was so out of control that the neighbors phoned the police department but HD stayed inside the whole time. He is an experienced LE Officer and with his training he should have never let Tara go outside because it could have gotten ugly so IMO he failed to protect her that night. Yet he claims now that she has disappeared that he was helping her because she was in danger. I'm beginning to wonder what the word protection means to HD because from his own actions they speak for themseves LOUD AND CLEAR. JMHO

Once again good work Odette and thank you for the information. JMHO

:beer:

[odette]

Originally posted by Results
It is very true that we know so little about him and I must say that you must have been researching and digging to try to find out anything and everything about HD. My hat goes off to you. I see this information very interesting indeed. Could it be that when Ms. ****s left him that when she decided to give their marriage another chance that this was one of her demands and that it was like starting over for them? I don't know? I hope that he has been saved and he does the right thing now and come forward with what happened between Tara and himself. We shall see but IMO I'm not buying that crap. I don't have the right to judge him on his faith if he is saved or not but I do have the right to have my opinion and my opinion is every single time this man, HD, comes out smelling like a rose no matter what. IF MH would have been at Tara's house that weekend how many of you can say MH would have been your #1 POI and you would not be fence sitters but you would have been on the wagon MH was responsible. Yet some how HD pulled it off which just proves my opinion he comes out smelling like a rose. While I'm on the subject of HD again let me go ahead and throw another one out there you have Tara and HD inside of Tara's house and here comes AV banging on the door out of control and what does HD do...nothing. He did nothing. HD let Tara go outside her home to try to calm down a man, AV, that was clearly upset and out of control by his actions and was so out of control that the neighbors phoned the police department but HD stayed inside the whole time. He is an experienced LE Officer and with his training he should have never let Tara go outside because it could have gotten ugly so IMO he failed to protect her that night. Yet he claims now that she has disappeared that he was helping her because she was in danger. I'm beginning to wonder what the word protection means to HD because from his own actions they speak for themseves LOUD AND CLEAR. JMHO

Once again good work Odette and thank you for the information. JMHO

:beer:

Thank you Results .. :)

[Atok]

Obviously HD did not want to be identified as in the house when police were called to there.

No other reason Tara would speak through the door, except to hide HD's presence.

Why?

[RCM-715]

Originally posted by Atok
Obviously HD did not want to be identified as in the house when police were called to there.

No other reason Tara would speak through the door, except to hide HD's presence.

Why?

You answered you own question. It's obvious he didn't want anyone to see him. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. He got caught. It's strange how things turn out sometimes when you're doing shady sh**.

[RCM-715]

Originally posted by kathmandu
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originally posted by results
While I'm on the subject of HD again let me go ahead and throw another one out there you have Tara and HD inside of Tara's house and here comes AV banging on the door out of control and what does HD do...nothing. He did nothing. HD let Tara go outside her home to try to calm down a man, AV, that was clearly upset and out of control by his actions and was so out of control that the neighbors phoned the police department but HD stayed inside the whole time. He is an experienced LE Officer and with his training he should have never let Tara go outside because it could have gotten ugly so IMO he failed to protect her that night.

i remembered the part about a neighbor calling police because of the banging on tara's door by av but i don't recall the part about hd "letting" tara go outside to deal with av.

i recall reading that even when police arrived tara never opened her door and she gave the police report from through the door talking to the officer from inside the house.

if she did go outside to speak to av it seems she's obviously not afraid of him but if she didn't open the door to the police while hd was in there, why not? what would have happened if he was in there and she opened the door while the police were there? i just don't think she feared av at all b/c i read she went and got av released from the police after he was picked up for the disorderly conduct charge or whatever it was called.

TG did in fact go outside her home that day.

[odette]

Originally posted by RCM-715


You answered you own question. It's obvious he didn't want anyone to see him. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. He got caught. It's strange how things turn out sometimes when you're doing shady sh**.

Do you know if HD vehicle was parked outside Tara's in full view that particular day or was it hidden out of sight at the neighbors place, where it has been said he parked his vehicle when visiting Tara?.

Another thing I would like to know is, does anyone know how long this alleged affair between HD and Tara had been going on?.

imoo

[Results]

Originally posted by kathmandu
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originally posted by results
While I'm on the subject of HD again let me go ahead and throw another one out there you have Tara and HD inside of Tara's house and here comes AV banging on the door out of control and what does HD do...nothing. He did nothing. HD let Tara go outside her home to try to calm down a man, AV, that was clearly upset and out of control by his actions and was so out of control that the neighbors phoned the police department but HD stayed inside the whole time. He is an experienced LE Officer and with his training he should have never let Tara go outside because it could have gotten ugly so IMO he failed to protect her that night.

i remembered the part about a neighbor calling police because of the banging on tara's door by av but i don't recall the part about hd "letting" tara go outside to deal with av.

i recall reading that even when police arrived tara never opened her door and she gave the police report from through the door talking to the officer from inside the house.

if she did go outside to speak to av it seems she's obviously not afraid of him but if she didn't open the door to the police while hd was in there, why not? what would have happened if he was in there and she opened the door while the police were there? i just don't think she feared av at all b/c i read she went and got av released from the police after he was picked up for the disorderly conduct charge or whatever it was called.

You missed the whole point of my post. First of all HD claims that Tara was in danger and he did nothing. Then AV comes along and HD as a trained officer of the Law should not have let Tara go outside. The point isn't was Tara afraid of AV the point is HD did not know AV to know if he would have caused her harm so as a LE officer, friend, and protecting Tara from danger as HD claims he should have never let Tara go outside to talk to AV. JMHO

Rather you believe Tara went outside her home that night or not that is up to you. It still doesn't change what happened that night and that is Tara went outside her house that night. Believe what you want to.

[odette]

Does anyone know if Tara and HD were ever seen together outside of Ocilla or Hawkinsville and if so where?. For instance, were they ever seen together in Tifton for example or one of the other towns close by to Ocilla?. I'm just wondering if they might have met somewhere else on occasion.

The following is just a theory and pure speculation on my part .. If HD did meet up with Tara after she arrived home from the BBQ, could it be possible that a suggestion was made to stay somewhere else overnight, rather than at her house, for whatever reason?. (I'm thinking of the overnight bag which has been talked about.) If so, would have HD parked his vehicle out of sight, as he is alleged to have done in the past when calling on Tara, and Tara's car was used, or would they have used HD's vehicle?.

Another thing I wonder about, was HD vehicle ever checked out by LE after Tara went missing?. Anyone know?

JMOO

[RCM-715]

I would like to know that answer also odette. HD's personal and department/city vehicle should have been tested by the GBI. What I find most confusing about HD being at TG's house is HD being so concerned about her being in danger, talking with FG and etc. so anxious and then without answers..........he goes home. What did he do.........just go home and go to bed. What about TG's mom? Did she call anyone for addition assistance? This freaks the he** out of me. Let's remember this is a police officer. If he had been sincere that night he would have made additional calls of concern and in minutes the local city officers could have been there to assist him. If this had been me I would have gotten the officers to break the door......if I was so concerned. IMO This smells fishy.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Results


You missed the whole point of my post. First of all HD claims that Tara was in danger and he did nothing. Then AV comes along and HD as a trained officer of the Law should not have let Tara go outside. The point isn't was Tara afraid of AV the point is HD did not know AV to know if he would have caused her harm so as a LE officer, friend, and protecting Tara from danger as HD claims he should have never let Tara go outside to talk to AV. JMHO

Rather you believe Tara went outside her home that night or not that is up to you. It still doesn't change what happened that night and that is Tara went outside her house that night. Believe what you want to.

Do you have a link or any article that quoted HD about his opinion that Tara was in danger? The only mention of danger I remember came from LG in an interview. HD has never given an interview to the media, as I recall. If I am missing something, someone please help.

[odette]

Originally posted by RCM-715
I would like to know that answer also odette. HD's personal and department/city vehicle should have been tested by the GBI. What I find most confusing about HD being at TG's house is HD being so concerned about her being in danger, talking with FG and etc. so anxious and then without answers..........he goes home. What did he do.........just go home and go to bed. What about TG's mom? Did she call anyone for addition assistance? This freaks the he** out of me. Let's remember this is a police officer. If he had been sincere that night he would have made additional calls of concern and in minutes the local city officers could have been there to assist him. If this had been me I would have gotten the officers to break the door......if I was so concerned. IMO This smells fishy.


If he had been sincere that night he would have made additional calls of concern and in minutes the local city officers could have been there to assist him. If this had been me I would have gotten the officers to break the door......if I was so concerned.

Yes exactly ... Why didn't HD make a phonecall to the local OPD and get them to come and check things out ... heck, it's the least he could have done, especially as he had been trying to reach her (20+ calls allegedly on the Sunday) to no avail. He's there in her yard, in the middle of the night, he can SEE her car is there in the carport. I presume he rang her cellphone and knocked on her door as well?. He MUST surely suspect that something is 'not right', still can't figure out why he rang FG, unless he wanted to check if she had heard/knew anything. I've even wondered if it was HD who asked FG to phone the P's to see if they had seen/heard anything. Could he have been inside Tara's house when he called FG. Maybe her phone was ringing and he got spooked?. This is all speculation on my part of course.

I would be interested in knowing if HD has sold any vehicles that he may have had in his possession at the time of Tara's disappearance as well.



JMOO

[Results]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Do you have a link or any article that quoted HD about his opinion that Tara was in danger? The only mention of danger I remember came from LG in an interview. HD has never given an interview to the media, as I recall. If I am missing something, someone please help.

Oh please! Just stop! I have already established my opinion on HD's interview. If you don't know there is one then I'm sorry for you. Your missing something that is for sure. JMHO

[RCM-715]

Originally posted by odette


Do you know if HD vehicle was parked outside Tara's in full view that particular day or was it hidden out of sight at the neighbors place, where it has been said he parked his vehicle when visiting Tara?.

Another thing I would like to know is, does anyone know how long this alleged affair between HD and Tara had been going on?.

imoo

His vehicle was in full view.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by RCM-715


His vehicle was in full view.

What does he drive?

[mooloo]

They were seen in Perry, Georgia at the Georgia National Fair, together.


Originally posted by odette
Does anyone know if Tara and HD were ever seen together outside of Ocilla or Hawkinsville and if so where?. For instance, were they ever seen together in Tifton for example or one of the other towns close by to Ocilla?. I'm just wondering if they might have met somewhere else on occasion.

The following is just a theory and pure speculation on my part .. If HD did meet up with Tara after she arrived home from the BBQ, could it be possible that a suggestion was made to stay somewhere else overnight, rather than at her house, for whatever reason?. (I'm thinking of the overnight bag which has been talked about.) If so, would have HD parked his vehicle out of sight, as he is alleged to have done in the past when calling on Tara, and Tara's car was used, or would they have used HD's vehicle?.

Another thing I wonder about, was HD vehicle ever checked out by LE after Tara went missing?. Anyone know?

JMOO

[odette]

Originally posted by mooloo
They were seen in Perry, Georgia at the Georgia National Fair, together.




Thank you mooloo. Do you know if this was the GA National Fair in 2005?

[odette]

Originally posted by RCM-715


His vehicle was in full view.

Thank you for that.

That particular incident with AV happened in March 2005 IIRC. I wonder when HD started parking his vehicle 'out of sight' over at the neighbors place when he came to visit Tara.


JMOO

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Results


Oh please! Just stop! I have already established my opinion on HD's interview. If you don't know there is one then I'm sorry for you. Your missing something that is for sure. JMHO

There is no reason to be rude. I have never seen an interview of HD. I would like to read it.

[Aussie]

I would like to see HD'S interview as well, as I cannot recall ever reading it.

[Results]

Originally posted by NancynNC


There is no reason to be rude. I have never seen an interview of HD. I would like to read it.

You are right. I apologize. The interview is under the article below. That is his brief interview with CL.

Tara Grinstead on Emotional Roller Coaster

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last
seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." ****s, who has been
cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a
close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the
same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing
investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that
would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."

[Results]

I have decided to eliminate AV from my POI list. The phone call that he received from a hysterical woman and he said it sounded like Tara and called the police. The police traced the call to a woman that was hysterical but had the wrong number. IF AV knew where Tara was or even worse killed her why would he think it was Tara?

I have decided to eliminate MH from my POI list. I truly believe that he is a victim which was created by the Hawkinsville clan.

I have decided to eliminate RR from my POI list. I truly believe that he knew Tara wasn't over MH and that the relationship would have never went any further then what they had.

I have decided to eliminate the neighbor Mr. P. I truly believe he did not harm Tara in anyway.

HD is my #1 POI. I believe he knows where she is at either way.

AG/LG they are my 2nd choice. Either they are just fruitcakes or they are starting to believe their own lies or covering up something that is so important to get out that they created a fiasco. Either way they need some serious help.

A Woman is my last choice. Since the last article about all these men and according to sources married, dating, and single men that was going on. I have to say this THERE ARE SOME WOMEN THAT WILL KILL YOU OVER MESSING WITH HER MAN.

Whatever happened I believe one of the 3 above knows what happened.

I do want to say something about what I am so tired of hearing and that is MH because of his military background knows how to dispose of a body. Here is my 2 cents on that our military doesn't train you to dispose of bodies they train you to fight a war and unfortunately in all wars there are casualties. I have never heard of our men/women that go to war and kill someone take the time to dispose of that body before they kill the next person and dispose of his body and so on and so on. I believe a Doctor would know alot more about disposing of bodies then anyone but that is just my opinion.

As always this post is JMHO!

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by Results
I have decided to eliminate AV from my POI list. The phone call that he received from a hysterical woman and he said it sounded like Tara and called the police. The police traced the call to a woman that was hysterical but had the wrong number. IF AV knew where Tara was or even worse killed her why would he think it was Tara?

I have decided to eliminate MH from my POI list. I truly believe that he is a victim which was created by the Hawkinsville clan.

I have decided to eliminate RR from my POI list. I truly believe that he knew Tara wasn't over MH and that the relationship would have never went any further then what they had.

I have decided to eliminate the neighbor Mr. P. I truly believe he did not harm Tara in anyway.

HD is my #1 POI. I believe he knows where she is at either way.

AG/LG they are my 2nd choice. Either they are just fruitcakes or they are starting to believe their own lies or covering up something that is so important to get out that they created a fiasco. Either way they need some serious help.

A Woman is my last choice. Since the last article about all these men and according to sources married, dating, and single men that was going on. I have to say this THERE ARE SOME WOMEN THAT WILL KILL YOU OVER MESSING WITH HER MAN.

Whatever happened I believe one of the 3 above knows what happened.

I do want to say something about what I am so tired of hearing and that is MH because of his military background knows how to dispose of a body. Here is my 2 cents on that our military doesn't train you to dispose of bodies they train you to fight a war and unfortunately in all wars there are casualties. I have never heard of our men/women that go to war and kill someone take the time to dispose of that body before they kill the next person and dispose of his body and so on and so on. I believe a Doctor would know alot more about disposing of bodies then anyone but that is just my opinion.

As always this post is JMHO!

I agree with this deduction, Results. However, I cannot totally rule out MH. I would place him in the #4 position.

Unfortunately, LE has not come forward with anything that lets me believe they are any closer to the solution in this case, than we are. IF they had anything that would lead to an arrest, I fully believe they would have made an arrest. IMO they have nothing to go on, nothing to make an arrest with, and nothing they could prosecute. I hope Tara is alive and well, living in paradise, but IMO she would have made contact with someone.

[TuscanDreams]

What about the women in this case? Who is married, who is divorced since Tara went missing?

HD is married, correct? Was he married at the time?

What about MH? Married or single? Significant other?

The answer to this mystery probably lies with the perps behavior changing after Tara went missing. JMO.

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Results
I have decided to eliminate AV from my POI list. The phone call that he received from a hysterical woman and he said it sounded like Tara and called the police. The police traced the call to a woman that was hysterical but had the wrong number. IF AV knew where Tara was or even worse killed her why would he think it was Tara?

I have decided to eliminate MH from my POI list. I truly believe that he is a victim which was created by the Hawkinsville clan.

I have decided to eliminate RR from my POI list. I truly believe that he knew Tara wasn't over MH and that the relationship would have never went any further then what they had.

I have decided to eliminate the neighbor Mr. P. I truly believe he did not harm Tara in anyway.

HD is my #1 POI. I believe he knows where she is at either way.

AG/LG they are my 2nd choice. Either they are just fruitcakes or they are starting to believe their own lies or covering up something that is so important to get out that they created a fiasco. Either way they need some serious help.

A Woman is my last choice. Since the last article about all these men and according to sources married, dating, and single men that was going on. I have to say this THERE ARE SOME WOMEN THAT WILL KILL YOU OVER MESSING WITH HER MAN.

Whatever happened I believe one of the 3 above knows what happened.

I do want to say something about what I am so tired of hearing and that is MH because of his military background knows how to dispose of a body. Here is my 2 cents on that our military doesn't train you to dispose of bodies they train you to fight a war and unfortunately in all wars there are casualties. I have never heard of our men/women that go to war and kill someone take the time to dispose of that body before they kill the next person and dispose of his body and so on and so on. I believe a Doctor would know alot more about disposing of bodies then anyone but that is just my opinion.

As always this post is JMHO!

Results, I agree with your post and am so thankful that you brought up the last part, beginning with: " I do want to say something about what I am so tired of hearing and that is MH because of his military background knows how to dispose of a body." etc.

The first time that I ever read about "MH knowing how to dispose of a body" was in an interview that AG had with '?", (not sure who was interviewing her), seems to me it was the famous Larry Harriet, but I could be wrong ! ( if anyone does not remember this interview I will attempt to find it) .

I have a VERY close family member who has been in the U.S. Army for several years, he completed his "Army Ranger" training in 1995 and has had many other areas of extensive training before and after this experience.

I felt certain that I had ever right to say, " HUH ??, even YOU have to be kidding !" when I read this interview, but did feel that I should ask a man with an expert opinion ! He assured me that there is no such thing as training in "disposing of bodies" in Army Ranger training,, you are taught to destroy and move on to the next enemy. He is TOTALLY a very professional man with intergrity and dignity beyond measure so I had to make this a hypothetical issue or he probably would have not answered my question.

He said for ANYONE who thinks that a Ranger is "programmed" to dispose of a body that they should research their information because this is just as far from the truth as one can get, " It never crosses the mind of a Ranger, I promise you that !"

I KNOW that this man knows what he is talking about,, NO DOUBT! Thank God for our men in the "Know" !:patriot:

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Merrick


IIRC, HD was married at the time of Tara's disappearance and subsequently separated for a period of time. However, he and his wife were "saved" and are, as far as I know, still together.

MH was single, don't know if that changed. But, if he did marry I'm sure one of the locals would've posted it here. IMHO.

Merrick, you are right, MH is still single.

[odette]

Originally posted by sogalady


Results, I agree with your post and am so thankful that you brought up the last part, beginning with: " I do want to say something about what I am so tired of hearing and that is MH because of his military background knows how to dispose of a body." etc.

The first time that I ever read about "MH knowing how to dispose of a body" was in an interview that AG had with '?", (not sure who was interviewing her), seems to me it was the famous Larry Harriet, but I could be wrong ! ( if anyone does not remember this interview I will attempt to find it) .

I have a VERY close family member who has been in the U.S. Army for several years, he completed his "Army Ranger" training in 1995 and has had many other areas of extensive training before and after this experience.

I felt certain that I had ever right to say, " HUH ??, even YOU have to be kidding !" when I read this interview, but did feel that I should ask a man with an expert opinion ! He assured me that there is no such thing as training in "disposing of bodies" in Army Ranger training,, you are taught to destroy and move on to the next enemy. He is TOTALLY a very professional man with intergrity and dignity beyond measure so I had to make this a hypothetical issue or he probably would have not answered my question.

He said for ANYONE who thinks that a Ranger is "programmed" to dispose of a body that they should research their information because this is just as far from the truth as one can get, " It never crosses the mind of a Ranger, I promise you that !"

I KNOW that this man knows what he is talking about,, NO DOUBT! Thank God for our men in the "Know" !:patriot:

The first time that I ever read about "MH knowing how to dispose of a body" was in an interview that AG had with '?", (not sure who was interviewing her), seems to me it was the famous Larry Harriet, but I could be wrong ! ( if anyone does not remember this interview I will attempt to find it) .

FWIW ... I take most everything that AG has said with a 'grain of salt'.

Here is a link where you can read the Larry Harriet/AG interview.

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-2YQBcBIic6NAz9AAmsSHO70EhV6ZXA--?l=11&u=15&mx=24&lmt=5

JMOO

[odette]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
What about the women in this case? Who is married, who is divorced since Tara went missing?

HD is married, correct? Was he married at the time?

What about MH? Married or single? Significant other?

The answer to this mystery probably lies with the perps behavior changing after Tara went missing. JMO.

HD is married, correct? Was he married at the time?

Yes, HD and his wife were married at the time of Tara's disappearance but were separated shortly after she disappeared. They got back together towards the end of December I was told. I stand to be corrected. I have also been told that HD and his wife have been married for several years. If someone can tell us exactly how long they have been married, I would appreciate it, thank you.


JMOO

[dixinites]

Well, I'm still holdin' out for the women POIs:

Mrs.D (with HD as an after the fact accomplice)
HD himself
Female dating MH (with MH as a possible after the fact accomplice)

In that order. There's about a dozen scenarios to go with each.

I'm pretty sick of the "military trained body disposal" thing, too, jeeez...but a person in law enforcement (or formerly in LE) would have a distinct advantage in that department, IMO.

[odette]

Originally posted by sweettater
I was told by co-workers of Tara's that they did not see who she left with; however, Tara had TOLD them afterwards that she had left with HD. They had no reason to not believe her.

sweettater, did Tara tell her co-workers the reason why she left school with HD that day?. To my way of thinking there must have been a very good reason for HD to travel to Ocilla on a work/school day to see her. The crimelibrary article referring to this particular day says that "she left school early" and "that too was unusual." It was just a few days later that Tara disappeared!.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html

Why would HD say this, in another crimelibrary article ??

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html


JMOO

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Merrick
Would you consider it a behavorial change if someone separated from their spouse shortly after Tara went missing and then got back together with their spouse and then was "saved"? JMHO.

Absolutely, yes. That is significant, JMO only.

However, I still think a female was involved in Tara's disappearance. Not sure where the HD fits in .....

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Merrick


Would you consider it a behavorial change if someone separated from their spouse shortly after Tara went missing and then got back together with their spouse and then was "saved"? JMHO.

There was much speculation surrounding HD, following Tara's disappearance. Situations like are often harmful and can cause stress and strife in a marriage, so I don't find it unusual that a separation might occur, and that perhaps after the dust settled and explanations were digested and accepted that the couple would reunite.

Clearly, I haven't been posting on this board for awhile, so forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "saved"?

IMO

TIA

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by odette
Baptist Church Planters

F*** & M**** H******, Perry, GA - January 20, 2006
We will not be going to the jail for services for the new two Sundays. This Sunday, January 22, we have been asked by the department to be in a Law Enforcement Appreciation Service, C**** S*******, who was shot in 2004 and saved in December 2005 will be giving his testimony. Captain D****, who was saved along with his wife about the same time as C****, will be sharing too............

http://www.bcpusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=92&Itemid=79&lang=

Bumping for Hey Paula.....

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Bumping for Hey Paula.....

Thanks, CP!

That would have been approximately two months after Tara disappeared (12/2005). In times of strife and stress, some seek the Lord, hoping to make them whole again.

I'm not surprised that the fallout from Tara's disappearance placed this couple's marriage at risk. I'm glad they were able to surmount their problems in a way that drew them closer to God, and to themselves as a couple.

IMO

[dixinites]

Regarding HD, I have a few questions maybe someone can help me with:

1- Where did the idea come from that he was parking at a neighbors when he was visiting Tara? Who would know this?
What explanation could he possibly give to a neighbor about wanting to park in their yard? Just curious as to whether or not this is purely speculation.

2- How old is AG? I read in an interview that HD's father was best man in her wedding. So does that mean that her connection with HD and family was thru LG? (Best man/groom selected?)

3- Where did the information come from regarding argument between FG and Tara? Gossip or reliable source?

[fsbiii]

1-I believe another neighbor has confirmed seeing HD park there and walk to Tara's house.

2-46 this month, I think. It sounds like Larry Gattis and HD's father were good friends at the time Larry & Anita got married.

3-Not sure.

[dixinites]

Try as I might, I can't come up with any logical reason (other that guilty motives) for HD to call Tara's mother after midnight on Sunday evening. First, she was probably asleep. Second, she lived many miles away and this would only worry her. Third, it would only be a few more hours until Tara would be reporting to work and he could call her there...

By the same token, in a few hours Tara would be MISSED at work and everyone would realize she was missing. Time was running out to come up with a verifiable story about how he had been looking for her all weekend and that he DID'NT KNOW WHERE SHE WAS!

Maybe something did spook him: a neighbor taking out the trash, walking a dog, looking out a window...He needed to come up with an explanation of what he was doing there, just in case.

It had only been 24 hours during which he claims he couldn't reach Tara. He should never have called Tara's mother this late at night unless he had found bloody handprints or a ransom note on the door, and then he should have called the local police!

[fsbiii]

Putting this in a new light....Is there any corroboration in the public realm that HD was really in Tara's yard and really called FG...other than the press release by Dr. Godwin, which, IMO, was released solely to back up his claim of the glove NOT being in the yard at 12:15 am on Monday?

What if HD didn't call and wasn't really there? Who says he did and was, other than Godwin? Anyone?

[odette]

Putting this in a new light....Is there any corroboration in the public realm that HD was really in Tara's yard and really called FG...other than the press release by Dr. Godwin, which, IMO, was released solely to back up his claim of the glove NOT being in the yard at 12:15 am on Monday?

What if HD didn't call and wasn't really there? Who says he did and was, other than Godwin? Anyone?

To my knowledge Dr Godwin has never retracted his statement pertaining to the fact that HD phoned FG from Tara's yard at 12:15am Monday 24th October nor has HD denied it either. AG would have passed the word on very quickly as well if it were not true IMO. All of this speaks volumes to me. I believe that HD did phone FG that night/morning. No doubt in my mind. I too believe that the information was released soley to try and prove that the glove was NOT there in the yard at 12:15am because HD didn't see it when he was there at that time.

JMOO

[dixinites]

Now that you mention it, I haven't seen that information referenced anywhere else...very odd. But if the information was blatantly false, don't you think someone would have come forth (even AG or someone in the HD defender camp) and disputed it. I'm gonna keep digging, but I don't remember reading it anywhere other than the DrG. article in CrLib article.

[odette]

If there is anything at all that I believe about what Dr Godwin has said, it is the statement that he made regarding the fact that HD was in Tara's yard around 12:15am Monday 24 October. IIRC it has been stated that he had seen the actual phone records.

It is high time that HD true relationship with Tara was exposed and brought out into the open. I can't figure out why we know hardly anything about the man. In my opinion he has been hiding in the shadows for far too long!.


JMOO

Released 3.19.06: Dr. Maurice Godwin has provided the following statement after his recent visit.
"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."

http://www.findtara.com/

[odette]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by odette
[B]


Why would HD say this, in another crimelibrary article ??

Because he's not telling the truth and he has something to hide??? JMHO.

I agree. IMO HD hasn't done any more interviews, apart from the brief telephone interview with Crime Library, where IMO he put his foot in his mouth when he said that he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." That's the trouble when one gives an interview, the interviewer can sometimes ask awkward questions.

One thing that I did notice in the brief Crime Library interview is the fact that HD did not use Tara's name when referring to Tara. May not mean anything but it did stand out to me.

Crime Library
In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." ****s, who has been cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html


JMOO

[PNut]

Interesting Odette....I hadn't realized that. May mean something, may not. But I do believe body language and choice of words can relate hidden subconsicous thoughts. I watch body language during interviews, very closely.

An example - and a little OT - but, I introduced 2 friends, who within 4 weeks were getting married!! A little fast in my book, but hey, whatever. so, I was the photographer for thier little wedding ceremony. When I took their pics - they had a foot gap between them!! I had to keep telling them to stand closer!! And even then, they kept their heads kind of tilted away from each other!! I told my hubby about it, and he thought I was daffy for noticing it. Said it didn't mean anything...but I beg to differ....:tongue: Anyway, I think body language and speech patterns say a lot!

[lsu]

If there is anything at all that I believe about what Dr Godwin has said, it is the statement that he made regarding the fact that HD was in Tara's yard around 12:15am Monday 24 October. IIRC it has been stated that he had seen the actual phone records.

It is high time that HD true relationship with Tara was exposed and brought out into the open. I can't figure out why we know hardly anything about the man. In my opinion he has been hiding in the shadows for far too long!.


JMOO

Released 3.19.06: Dr. Maurice Godwin has provided the following statement after his recent visit.
"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."

http://www.findtara.com/

Does anyone remember about the teen that saw a man outside of Tara's house one night before anyone realized Tara disappeared? This is the teen that AG was trying to 'protect' - I thought he saw a man with a black truck. Was HD's truck black and could this have been him? It was said that the man was shouting profanity at the kid. Any update on that?

[One2Snoop]

Does anyone remember about the teen that saw a man outside of Tara's house one night before anyone realized Tara disappeared? This is the teen that AG was trying to 'protect' - I thought he saw a man with a black truck. Was HD's truck black and could this have been him? It was said that the man was shouting profanity at the kid. Any update on that?

Straight out to Robert Preston with the "Douglas Daily News." Tell me about the vehicle, now allegedly spotted parked up in her yard the night she went missing.

ROBERT PRESTON, REPORTER, "DOUGLAS DAILY NEWS": Nancy, as you know, Dr. Maurice Godwin, a forensic psychologist has been in Ocilla trying to track down any leads, any other leads that may have been overlooked in this case. Dr. Godwin identified three people who saw a black Chevrolet pickup, a late-`90s model pickup here in Tara`s yard, approximately where we`re standing right now.

Two of the people did not see anyone who may have been driving that vehicle. One of those people did. One of the person -- one the people saw the person believed to be driving this Chevrolet pickup, and actually spoke to this person, had verbal contact with him.

So now investigators are trying to track down this pickup, trying to track down whoever this person who may have been driving is.

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Robert, Robert, what time of the night was this?

PRESTON: The truck was seen several times during the weekend. The most recent time or the latest time it was seen was about 6:00 in the morning on October 24th when Tara was reported missing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/27/ng.01.html

[dixinites]

Jeeeeeez! I wish a local person would clue us in on what type of vehicle HD drives...Shouldn't be too difficult to determine. Anyone?

[odette]

Does anyone remember about the teen that saw a man outside of Tara's house one night before anyone realized Tara disappeared? This is the teen that AG was trying to 'protect' - I thought he saw a man with a black truck. Was HD's truck black and could this have been him? It was said that the man was shouting profanity at the kid. Any update on that?

Here is one account of the Sunday 23 October 2005 incident when a person visiting Tara's neighbors saw a man in parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck between 8pm and 10pm.

Tifton Gazette Published April 18, 2006
Grinstead was last seen Oct. 22, 2005, and her sister Anita Gattis believes that a man spotted at the teacher’s home the following night might have had a hand in the disappearance......

Gattis said that the witness tells a story that could point authorities in the direction of Grinstead’s kidnapper or killer.

The witness lived out of town and visited Grinstead’s neighbors on Oct. 23, Gattis said. She said that between 8 and 10 that night, he spotted a man parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck. He described a man in his late 20s or early 30s.

She said the witness spoke to the man in the truck.

“He made a verbal contact with him,” said Gattis. “The witness said they were very hostile words.”

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_108222546.html?keyword=topstory

imo

[odette]

This Nancy Grace interview gives some more details about the black Chevrolet pickup truck which was seen the weekend that Tara went missing.

NANCY GRACE CNN Aired April 27, 2006
Straight out to Robert Preston with the "Douglas Daily News." Tell me about the vehicle, now allegedly spotted parked up in her yard the night she went missing.

ROBERT PRESTON, REPORTER, "DOUGLAS DAILY NEWS": Nancy, as you know, Dr. Maurice Godwin, a forensic psychologist has been in Ocilla trying to track down any leads, any other leads that may have been overlooked in this case. Dr. Godwin identified three people who saw a black Chevrolet pickup, a late-`90s model pickup here in Tara`s yard, approximately where we`re standing right now.

Two of the people did not see anyone who may have been driving that vehicle. One of those people did. One of the person -- one the people saw the person believed to be driving this Chevrolet pickup, and actually spoke to this person, had verbal contact with him.

So now investigators are trying to track down this pickup, trying to track down whoever this person who may have been driving is.

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Robert, Robert, what time of the night was this?

PRESTON:The truck was seen several times during the weekend. The most recent time or the latest time it was seen was about 6:00 in the morning on October 24th when Tara was reported missing.

GRACE: To Tara Grinstead`s sister, Anita Gattis, I`m happy we`ve got tip, I`m happy we`ve got the break, Anita. But why are we just learning this?

ANITA GATTIS, MISSING TARA GRINSTEAD`S SISTER: Well, Nancy, we had heard early on about neighbors of Tara`s who saw a dark vehicle in her yard early Monday morning when they went to the convenient store. This person was interviewed by GBI police. I don`t know what they chalked that experience up to, you know, not really sure why they didn`t pursue that any further.

We`ve also found out that a teenager who saw the car had verbal contact and some profanity was exchanged. So I can understand why he`s been a little hesitant, plus he was here visiting with a neighbor who had moved a few weeks after Tara disappeared. So we had some issues in tracking him down.

While we were tracking that kid down, we found a 23-year-old man who saw the vehicle here at another point. Now, I want to make it clear: The vehicle was not here all weekend; it evidently was coming and going and came without being noticed and drawing a lot of attention, so we`re wondering if it was a vehicle that had been here before, someone that knew Tara.

GRACE: OK, let me get this straight. The vehicle was parked -- and, everyone, this is video. We went down and took ourselves to the inside of Tara Grinstead`s home. It`s exactly the way it was, the way when police came in looking for Tara.

And the point is: It`s totally in order. It is untouched. There was no struggle, nothing. Now, there was a broken lamp beside her bed, as I recall. Her necklace was found on the carpeted floor, and her radio clock was thrown off the side table beside her bed. Other than that, everything as you are seeing it right now inside Tara`s home.

Back to her sister, Anita Gattis. Now, why would someone exchange profanity with -- I assume it was a male -- the guy driving this black Chevy parked up on her yard?

GATTIS: Well, you know, that`s a big question to us, too. This kid was playing in the side street that`s next to Tara`s house. The guy was outside the truck. He looked over at him, said some profanity to the kid, so the kid, you know, takes off back inside. That`s what we don`t know: Why this was person angry just because he was recognized?

GRACE: Well, to Richard Herman, whoever is driving a black Chevy pickup -- and maybe you`re better at it than I am -- but in the middle of the night, I don`t know if I could tell a Chevy from a Ford parked up in somebody`s yard, but apparently not one, not two, but three people have observed this vehicle.

Now, Richard, you know, I don`t want to prejudge the case. I would never do a thing like that.

HERMAN: No, not you, Nancy.

GRACE: But here`s the thing: If this person isn`t connected to her disappearance, why haven`t they come forward to say, "Oh, I`m part of the time line. I can tell you she was here, there, this, that, at this time the weekend"? So why are they shrinking back?

HERMAN: You know, Nancy, this is six months after this alleged truck was in and out of that area all over that weekend. I mean, if this guy`s casing the house out in a black truck, a lot of people are going to see him.

I am sure the police have investigated this case up, down and around. And I am a little suspect about of the information about this black truck. They`ve got to investigate it. They`ve got to take every lead possible.

GRACE: Why you are suspect? Three people saw it.

HERMAN: They saw it at different times outside the house there. And, again, you asked the right question: Why would there be profanity exchange? What time did this profanity take place? And why haven`t the police interviewed this kid?

GRACE: You know what? Let`s go to the source. Anita Gattis, what time was the profanity?

GATTIS: It was late in the night.

GRACE: Like, are you talking 1:00 a.m., 11:30 p.m., what?

GATTIS: No, it was before midnight.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/27/ng.01.html

[Results]

It is amazing to me that we know so much about everyone but HD. We can't find out what he was driving that weekend. We can't find out why all the calls were made in the middle of the night and please I'm tired of hearing concern because when your concern YOU DON'T DO NOTHING. We can't find out what took AG/LG so long to get to Ocilla? We can't find out where HD went after he left Tara's. Here is what really bothers me about these unanswered questions. A article was printed about MH whereabouts that night with SF other LE and civilians that saw them. Now Dr. Goodwin states that his alibi is too perfect. This is a man that claims he got a death threat but it cost to have *69 so he couldn't trace the call. He left his driveway saying if MH didn't kill him first. That is just some really great investigation work when your going down there with that attitude because he was after the wrong one all along and why because AG says it is MH and afterall Dr. Goodwin is working for her. I know that the Perry, GA town don't want to come on here and say anything bad about HD because hey he is the Captain of a PD and he could make it very hard for some folks so I give Perry, GA folks alot of slack for not saying anything. To tell you the truth I don't know as I would either. When will people stand up and say I'm gonna do this for Tara? No matter what Tara did or didn't do it gave noone the right to harm her or to take her. When you look at all the POI and if anyone knows anything why not pick that phone up and take a stand for Tara. You might think that someone has already told what you know but why not make sure that they do know? Make that call for Tara. Isn't it past time to stand up for Tara? JMHO

[Fun4You]

I agree with most that HD is a POI in my book too but what I can't understand is: Tara was probably harmed saturday night into sunday morning, but HD was there from sunday night, early monday morning so that is 24h later...
If HD harmed her or did worse, he should have already known by then she wasn't alive and at home anymore so why come back the night following and just stand there???? Or was this the moment where he staged the house??
Another possibility: if HD was her protector but Tara didn't know this herself, maybe the mother asked him personally to check up on her when she allso became aware of the 'dangers' Tara was in. Maybe that was the discussion all about, the reason the mother let HD check up on Tara without her knowledge and Tara thought of this as spying and was mad at the both of them for this.
Maybe that's why he called her so many times to apologize and say I do this because I love you so much bla bla bla...
The crying in the parking lot could be a very guilty feeling about not being there on time, maybe he is the sole eyewitness or the person 'in the know' who knew about some plans to kill Tara or had heard several people talking about it and he maybe figured out on himself the attack would be that night he was standing there so he could intervene en be in time to stop them but maybe they got wind of it and planned it a day earlier so now he has to live with this guilty feeling of not being on time to help his dear old friend.
That's maybe the reason he's kept in the dark, for protection of his life .
I know this is a very very long shot but if you look at it from that point of view you can't deny it could be a possibility too.... JMHO
I'm still confused about those profanities and those witnesses that observed another truck in her yard...

[fsbiii]

If he did harm Tara (or help her leave on her own) in the wee hours of Sunday morning, HD's strange actions afterwards set up the alibi of concern and worry, IMO. The abundance of checking up on Tara phonecalls on Sunday, the coming to her house and doing absolutely nothing but calling FG to cement his location when someone checked on the cell records, emotional wreck at the PD on Monday, etc. You mentioned why would HD come to Tara's at 12:15 Monday morning and just stand around and do nothing--if he harmed her and was just solidifying some care/concern alibi and location--what was there he could've done? Leaving things alone after his visit makes absolutely no sense to me, never has, never will. That's why I wonder what his visit was truly for and what his involvement truly is.

Speculation, opinion, theory.... that's all it ever is.

[PNut]

I'm with Results! JHC people!! How friggin' hard is it to just find out what the hell color/make/model truck HD was driving last October?!?! Why can't LE just answer some basic questions about this case?? ARG!! It's just so frustrating!!! My feeling is, if HD had a bright red, Honda Accord - we'd certainly heard of it by now....which leads me to believe he has a dark colored truck.

As much as I don't really care for NG - I wish she'd gone back there for the year anniv and tried to do some more digging!!:mad:

EAT: Merrick - this couple just got married at Thanksgiving!! LOL I don't give it a year!

[Results]

Why not go ahead and say what HD's alibi is if he has one? Why not get one straight answer for anything concerning HD? Why is HE SO PRIVILEDGED? Why does he get all the protection? I refuse to believe HD's story of his events that weekend. I believe he is very smart and he did a good job of confusing everyone. JMHO

[odette]

Going by these reports of the alleged sightings of this black Chevy, seen at Tara's over the weekend of her disappearance by no less than three different people, really makes me wonder what the heck was going on.

Sunday 23 October between 8pm-10pm (one interview says before midnight)
Witness has profanities yelled at him by a man standing outside a truck in Tara's yard.

Monday 24 October 12:15am
HD is placed in Tara's yard by a cellphone call to FG.

Monday 24 October 06:00am
A neighbor on their way to convenience store saw a dark vehicle in Tara's yard.

Monday 24 October 08:50am
Tara is officially reported as missing


JMOO

[Results]

Going by these reports of the alleged sightings of this black Chevy, seen at Tara's over the weekend of her disappearance by no less than three different people, really makes me wonder what the heck was going on.

Sunday 23 October between 8pm-10pm (one interview says before midnight)
Witness has profanities yelled at him by a man standing outside a truck in Tara's yard.

Monday 24 October 12:15am
HD is placed in Tara's yard by a cellphone call to FG.

Monday 24 October 06:00am
A neighbor on their way to convenience store saw a dark vehicle in Tara's yard.

Monday 24 October 08:50am
Tara is officially reported as missing


JMOO

Well that is just one lucky truck there zig zagging all around HD. Maybe that is why we don't know where he was after he left Tara's after 12:15 because maybe he is the guy in the black truck. Maybe that is why we don't hear of the black truck anymore and maybe that is why we don't hear about the confrontation with the driver of the truck anymore either. Maybe that friggin black truck is HD?????????? JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Just to throw another confusing thought/opinion into the pile, the truck could've been borrowed or from out of town. I wonder if any of those three people who saw the truck managed to see the license plate?

So many questions - very few answers.

[Atok]

If the black truck is HD, investigators probably already know this. Look at this from a prosecution angle... officials must not have enough of a package of evidence to make a solid case that he is involved in whatever happened to Tara or they would move forward.

Nothing is gained by them releasing that info to the public for a witchhunt and demand for arrest that they can't prosecute...

[Results]

If the black truck is HD, investigators probably already know this. Look at this from a prosecution angle... officials must not have enough of a package of evidence to make a solid case that he is involved in whatever happened to Tara or they would move forward.

Nothing is gained by them releasing that info to the public for a witchhunt and demand for arrest that they can't prosecute...

You are so right! Sometimes I just get so mad and frustrated but I really thank you for your post it makes a lot of sense. JMHO

[Results]

Just to throw another confusing thought/opinion into the pile, the truck could've been borrowed or from out of town. I wonder if any of those three people who saw the truck managed to see the license plate?

So many questions - very few answers.


Could be.

BTW I love your quote at then end of all your post.

[PNut]

Of course, Atok, your absolutely correct. Even if it IS HD with a black truck, what does that prove? Nothing really. TARA wasn't seen in the truck in those 3 instances. She wasn't seen talking to him beside the truck or anything like that. Just proves he was there (if it is indeed his truck) which he CONVIENENTLY can say was because he was "checking" up on her, or whatever he claims he was doing that weekend.

Results, I am with ya on the frustrated part. I just want to get the phone number for every LE and GBI and newspaper and tv station in the area, and just make it my daily routine to call them call them CALL THEM!! LOL But I know, it won't do me any good. :o

[Results]

Pnut, I agree with you 100%. What can we do? Can't we do something? We got to try to do something? I am just so frustrated. JMHO

[lsu]

If the black truck is HD, investigators probably already know this. Look at this from a prosecution angle... officials must not have enough of a package of evidence to make a solid case that he is involved in whatever happened to Tara or they would move forward.

Nothing is gained by them releasing that info to the public for a witchhunt and demand for arrest that they can't prosecute...

OR - officials have a package but don't want to make a case.

I read on another thread that HD was driving a grey dodge car at the time. I'm sure you all know about it - just thought I'd re-state.

As far as some wondering why he would show back up at her house after the crime (IF he's the one that committed it) - it's not too far-fetched. My good friend was murdered by her drugged-out neighbors that she had bent over backwards for (because of a $25,000 life ins. policy she had for one of them) and they had the nerve to show up and help clean her house out and they were shown on TV and everything. They always return to the scene of the crime! Go figure! I know it's off topic but here's the link. BTW - that sketch looks nothing like her to me.

Also - forgive me if this post shows up twice.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/genore_guillory/index.html

[Results]

I don't think there is a coverup at all. I think that LE want to resolve this case and I believe they are working hard on it. JMHO

[odette]

OR - officials have a package but don't want to make a case.

I read on another thread that HD was driving a grey dodge car at the time. I'm sure you all know about it - just thought I'd re-state.

As far as some wondering why he would show back up at her house after the crime (IF he's the one that committed it) - it's not too far-fetched. My good friend was murdered by her drugged-out neighbors that she had bent over backwards for (because of a $25,000 life ins. policy she had for one of them) and they had the nerve to show up and help clean her house out and they were shown on TV and everything. They always return to the scene of the crime! Go figure! I know it's off topic but here's the link. BTW - that sketch looks nothing like her to me.

Also - forgive me if this post shows up twice.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/genore_guillory/index.html

I read on another thread that HD was driving a grey dodge car at the time. I'm sure you all know about it - just thought I'd re-state.

Time Line Issues: Revisted Thread
Oh my .. are we ever going to find out exactly what type of vehicle HD was driving in October 2005?. Someone else posted on the above thread that HD was driving a white Dodge Stealth when he went to check on Tara.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=278295&page=2

[Results]

Time Line Issues: Revisted Thread
Oh my .. are we ever going to find out exactly what type of vehicle HD was driving in October 2005?. Someone else posted on the above thread that HD was driving a white Dodge Stealth when he went to check on Tara.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=278295&page=2

How many vehicles does he have? How many vehicles can he check out of work to use and how many personal vehicles does he have access to?

[Aussie]

Well that is just one lucky truck there zig zagging all around HD. Maybe that is why we don't know where he was after he left Tara's after 12:15 because maybe he is the guy in the black truck. Maybe that is why we don't hear of the black truck anymore and maybe that is why we don't hear about the confrontation with the driver of the truck anymore either. Maybe that friggin black truck is HD?????????? JMHO

I also remeber that Tara was seen getting out of a dark coloured truck at the pageant. I have always thought from the very beginning that the black / dark truck is the key to all of this. Whether she was killed or left with somebody.
Too many people saw a dark truck for it not to be somehow involved in Tara's disappearance. JOM

[Atok]

That dark truck at the pageant has always been of interest to me. The person who saw Tara exit the truck did not have any identifying information about who else was in the vehicle or the license or anything like that, they just saw Tara exit the vehicle.

*PURE SPECULATION*

I've always wondered was it a first time date set up for late night after the pageant? She had time to drop in at the BBQ, but excused herself on the 11oclock hour to go home and watch the video etc... why set up a date so late...?

Or hypothetically maybe Tara declined a date form the truck person and he said something like "I'll swing by later tonight see if you're up for something..." she just laughed him off, demurred or whatever, but he was serious.
Maybe Tara didn't head home right away just in case he DID swing by and check...she avoided him by staying out till 11 thinking he would have given up by then. What if he didn't...

What if HE (this stranger) is the owner of a black truck using abusive language who laid in wait for Tara? ALL SPECULATION.

[Results]

ATOK, could of happened that way. I always wondered why HD made that phone call from Tara's yard. I thought something might have spooked him but what if he was the one to exchange words with this teenager and no one seems to be clear on the time that this happened except before midnight. The thing that got me thinking was if the confrontation was close to midnight and it was with HD then he most definitely would have to place hisself at the scene and depending on how loud this confrontation was what better way then to call FG to see if the P's heard anything. IF this is true that phone call was very important to HD to make sure that he placed hisself there and gave him an excuse to be there. JMHO

[PNut]

Results, following that line of thinking then....

WHERE is this kid? DID LE ever find him? Is this the teenager that was scared to come forward? The same one that I think it was Dr G was going to hunt down??


So, was he found - if so, showing him a pic of HD would certainly clear up if it was HD who cussed at him....

[odette]

That dark truck at the pageant has always been of interest to me. The person who saw Tara exit the truck did not have any identifying information about who else was in the vehicle or the license or anything like that, they just saw Tara exit the vehicle.

*PURE SPECULATION*

I've always wondered was it a first time date set up for late night after the pageant? She had time to drop in at the BBQ, but excused herself on the 11oclock hour to go home and watch the video etc... why set up a date so late...?

Or hypothetically maybe Tara declined a date form the truck person and he said something like "I'll swing by later tonight see if you're up for something..." she just laughed him off, demurred or whatever, but he was serious.
Maybe Tara didn't head home right away just in case he DID swing by and check...she avoided him by staying out till 11 thinking he would have given up by then. What if he didn't...

What if HE (this stranger) is the owner of a black truck using abusive language who laid in wait for Tara? ALL SPECULATION.

Maybe the driver of the "black truck", which Tara was seen getting out of at the pageant location in Fitzgerald, 'was' someone she knew very well and 'maybe' she 'was' trying to avoid him by stopping in at the BBQ. What if he was 'determined' to see her though and he called by her house when she got home from the BBQ?.

It was noticed by others that Tara received many calls on her cell phone whilst she was at the BBQ. These calls we have been 'told' were from girls who attended the pageant?. Is that what Tara 'told" them? Maybe some of those calls were from a man who was determined to see her .. a man that Tara may have decided that she didn't want to see?.

All speculation on my part.





JMOO

[lsu]

Time Line Issues: Revisted Thread
Oh my .. are we ever going to find out exactly what type of vehicle HD was driving in October 2005?. Someone else posted on the above thread that HD was driving a white Dodge Stealth when he went to check on Tara.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=278295&page=2

this is where it turned grey....but as you indicated - no one seems to know for sure.
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Okay the grey dodge car was from another forum and was told to the poster and states that was what HD drove on that Monday. So we have the dodge and car - but different color. I'll do some more research.

cb. I was told by source from Irwin County that HD was at the Police Station in a grey dodge car on Monday. I will call my source again to make sure. I just did not ask a lot of questions about the car because it was not the important part of our conversation. Any help for the locals will be appreciated. We need to narrow down fact from fiction.
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[lsu]

Results, following that line of thinking then....

WHERE is this kid? DID LE ever find him? Is this the teenager that was scared to come forward? The same one that I think it was Dr G was going to hunt down??


So, was he found - if so, showing him a pic of HD would certainly clear up if it was HD who cussed at him....

exactly. And I don't see the harm in having a sketch drawn after talking w/the teen. Having a sketch drawn is a lot different than having the kid testify in court. IIRC, they've always known the whereabouts of the teen once he was initially 'discovered' as a witness, but AG said his family wanted to 'protect' him because he was 13 (or 15?).

[Results]

Results, following that line of thinking then....

WHERE is this kid? DID LE ever find him? Is this the teenager that was scared to come forward? The same one that I think it was Dr G was going to hunt down??


So, was he found - if so, showing him a pic of HD would certainly clear up if it was HD who cussed at him....

I wonder if he has ID'd HD and maybe that is why AG is quiet about everything now. That would certainly be a blow to their ego to find out that it was HD. I often wondered if it was even true about the kid or if it was made up to say that is why MH hid in his interview to throw MH right back into the spotlight as POI #1. So many things have been done to make your head spin around several times and think WTH is going on or to keep so much confusion on this case. You can bet if there is a kid and he picked out MH we would be hearing about it all day every day. We aren't hearing nothing about it and AG isn't talking now. Makes you wonder who the kid picked out and if there really is a kid. I don't know. I'm just speculating but I find it very odd that we have heard nothing more about this witness. JMHO

[lsu]

questions:

If HD was at Tara's house when FG called the P's - why couldn't the P's see someone at her house when they looked out the window?

If Tara was dropped off at the pageant by someone in a black truck - how did she get home? when did she pick her car up for the bbq? or in what vehicle did she arrive at the bbq?

also - does anyone know who was calling her all night at the bbq?

[Results]

[QUOTE=odette;8785597]Maybe the driver of the "black truck", which Tara was seen getting out of at the pageant location in Fitzgerald, 'was' someone she knew very well and 'maybe' she 'was' trying to avoid him by stopping in at the BBQ. What if he was 'determined' to see her though and he called by her house when she got home from the BBQ?.

It was noticed by others that Tara received many calls on her cell phone whilst she was at the BBQ. These calls we have been 'told' were from girls who attended the pageant?. Is that what Tara 'told" them? Maybe some of those calls were from a man who was determined to see her .. a man that Tara may have decided that she didn't want to see?.

All speculation on my part.

Where you post him and he, I'd substitute him/her and he/she, IMO. Didn't ME post on some forum that she was being interviewed by GBI because she was the third to last person to talk to Tara, IIRC? Well, I wonder who the last two people were. JMHO.

IIRC, Tara called the dog owner of the dog she was watching when she got home and HD was the last person that she talked to or was the last number on her phone. Stand to be corrected.

[Results]

questions:

If HD was at Tara's house when FG called the P's - why couldn't the P's see someone at her house when they looked out the window?

If Tara was dropped off at the pageant by someone in a black truck - how did she get home? when did she pick her car up for the bbq? or in what vehicle did she arrive at the bbq?

also - does anyone know who was calling her all night at the bbq?

Your first question has never had an answer to the many questions asked on that very question.

Tara was not dropped off at teh BBQ by a black truck...she was seen getting out of a black truck at the pageant. She always had her vehicle at the pageant and the BBQ.

The phone calls at the BBQ according to the Davis's Tara told them it was girls from the pageant thanking her for her help in doing their makeup and hair.

[Results]

[QUOTE=Results;8785626]

Were they incoming or outgoing or don't we know that either? I had thought she called the dog owner on her land line which would explain why her cell was on the charger and she didn't take it with her, it may have been dead. IMO, LE probably has a list of all of her outgoing, incoming and missed calls from her cell phone. I can't imagine someone who was always with their cell phone not having one that contained at least those features. IMO, they're pretty standard these days. JMHO.

You maybe right but I thought her landline phone was on the floor in the bathroom and I was thinking one of the girls that she was helping from the pageant must of used it in the bathroom and set it on the floor. I thought she used her cellphone. If she did infact use her landline wonder why her phone was on the bathroom floor? JMHO

[odette]

[QUOTE=odette;8785597]Maybe the driver of the "black truck", which Tara was seen getting out of at the pageant location in Fitzgerald, 'was' someone she knew very well and 'maybe' she 'was' trying to avoid him by stopping in at the BBQ. What if he was 'determined' to see her though and he called by her house when she got home from the BBQ?.

It was noticed by others that Tara received many calls on her cell phone whilst she was at the BBQ. These calls we have been 'told' were from girls who attended the pageant?. Is that what Tara 'told" them? Maybe some of those calls were from a man who was determined to see her .. a man that Tara may have decided that she didn't want to see?.

All speculation on my part.

Where you post him and he, I'd substitute him/her and he/she, IMO. Didn't ME post on some forum that she was being interviewed by GBI because she was the third to last person to talk to Tara, IIRC? Well, I wonder who the last two people were. JMHO.

I have in my notes from an old CL post that ME spoke to Tara a little after 10:00pm to about 10:15pm before Tara left the cookout and NOT after this. Records show that HD called Tara on her cellphone at the cookout at 10:20pm.

Tara is also known to have made a phone call, around 11:00pm when she arrived home, to the owner of the dog which she had been taking care of. There may have been other calls that we have not been told of?.

JMOO

[Atok]

Questions I have:

Did HD swing by the pageant and wish Tara luck?
What is his timeline for the day of the pageant?
Where was he supposedly during the hour before the pageant?
Maybe he'd see her "later that night" after they both were free?
Was that who's truck she was seen exiting?
What if she didn't want to see HD after the pageant?
Instead of going home after the pageant, she wandered over to RR's and the "curb" to chat... she wandered over to the BBQ...she was keeping herself busy for someone who was tired.
What if she hung at the BBQ hoping it got too late for HD to hang around?

The last caller was HD... did she know he was going to come over?

Did he?

[Atok]

She told the dog owner not to worry if she wasn't home the next day, remember?

Maybe she did want to see HD and all the time before heading home after the pageant was keeping busy to passing time on purpose until his visit, he calls at the BBQ and she knows she has to head out.

She heads home freshens up packs an overnight case...(remember the black bag)...changes from her BBQ clothes to something else...

The expected knock on the door...

Who was it? If it was GD, who was with their kids? How did she beat HD over there? What is her alibi?

If it was HD who she was expecting... what happened to Tara that night?

[Results]

Maybe AG and LG kept the kids?

[lsu]

Your first question has never had an answer to the many questions asked on that very question.

Tara was not dropped off at teh BBQ by a black truck...she was seen getting out of a black truck at the pageant. She always had her vehicle at the pageant and the BBQ.

The phone calls at the BBQ according to the Davis's Tara told them it was girls from the pageant thanking her for her help in doing their makeup and hair.

I did not state that she had been dropped off at the bbq by a black truck - but that she had been dropped off at the PAGEANT by a black truck. I didn't realize she drove her own car to the pagenat - and that she was simply 'getting out' of a black truck sometime during the event.

thanks for clearing this up.

[Results]

They were seen in Perry, Georgia at the Georgia National Fair, together.

Did you see them or is it rumored they were seen together and was Mrs. ****s with them? TIA

[Its just me]

Did you see them or is it rumored they were seen together and was Mrs. ****s with them? TIA


Results, I was told that Tara and HD were at the fair in Perry as a couple. No Mrs. with them. (Just information told to me by one of Tara's close friends)
Rumor or Truth...I personally do not know

[odette]

Results, I was told that Tara and HD were at the fair in Perry as a couple. No Mrs. with them. (Just information told to me by one of Tara's close friends)
Rumor or Truth...I personally do not know

IJM, I have been told by more than one person that this was the 2005 GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR, at which Tara and HD were seen together. Is this the same information that one of Tara's close friends told you as well?. Also does anyone know if the day that they were seen together at the Fair was a day during the week or on a weekend? TIA

2005 GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR OCTOBER 7-16, 2005 Perry GA


JMHO

[odette]

IF this is the event at which they were seen together and work got around, chances are the Mrs. probably heard about it since HD was/is a well known police officer in Perry, JMO. IF it was a couple situation, maybe they had let their relationship be known to their families and this was their "coming out". The timing would be right, IMO.

IF it was a couple situation, maybe they had let their relationship be known to their families and this was their "coming out".

Perhaps it was their "coming out". Maybe Tara had led HD to believe that they had a future together but in actual fact she knew in her heart that it would never happen. She loved MH and when he returned home from overseas she realized that the 'feelings' that she had for HD paled in comparison to the love she felt for MH and she knew that a future with HD was out of the question?.



JMHO

[Results]

Perhaps it was their "coming out". Maybe Tara had led HD to believe that they had a future together but in actual fact she knew in her heart that it would never happen. She loved MH and when he returned home from overseas she realized that the 'feelings' that she had for HD paled in comparison to the love she felt for MH and she knew that a future with HD was out of the question?.



JMHO

I would have to ask again..how well does HD take rejection? Also, if this was the case and they were coming out HD had alot to lose a family and then to be shunned I don't think he would take that lightly. IF that was HD talking as barry9120 or whoever that was I really do believe that LE should be looking into that. It is arrogant to call himself a real man when he had a wife and family at home that he was not taking care of. This ones for you HD! JMHO

[odette]

I would have to ask again..how well does HD take rejection? Also, if this was the case and they were coming out HD had alot to lose a family and then to be shunned I don't think he would take that lightly. IF that was HD talking as barry9120 or whoever that was I really do believe that LE should be looking into that. It is arrogant to call himself a real man when he had a wife and family at home that he was not taking care of. This ones for you HD! JMHO

We know so little about HD .. Over the past year or so I have learnt a lot about MH from Ocillians who know him personally and to be honest I have not heard one bad word about him. From all accounts he is a real gentleman and a very well liked person in Ocilla. Now HD is a whole different story. Is there not anyone from Perry or Hawkinsville who is willing to give us some personal insight about the man?.

JMHO

[Results]

What is the reality of all this? TIA

[justthinking]

http://www.mikenewmanphotos.com/photos/main/viewimage-21126-_MNP4187.htm

[justthinking]

I have no clue about HD and TG, but judging by the family pic of HD and family, I think they have tried to move on.

[odette]

What is the reality of all this? TIA

Results, to me the reality of all this is that Tara left the BBQ on Saturday 22 October 2005 and has not been heard from since. IMHO I believe that Tara was 'harmed' by someone and that she will not be returning home alive. I believe that Tara had a visitor at her home after she returned from the BBQ, someone whom she knew very well, and that she went somewhere with this person and at a place unknown to us she was 'harmed'. The burning question for me is, where has this person hidden Tara?.

FWIW I do NOT believe that MH 'harmed' Tara. No way, no how.


JMHO

[Fun4You]

The more time that's passing by the less I believe MH is the perp. My antenna still goes up with the mention HD or the wife or together.
It's a shame there's nothing to go on for the moment and HD is protected by the family (but maybe the silence means they are on to him and are just waiting for that one mistake he WILL make...)

As long as people stand united and make sure Tara isn't forgotten then I strongly believe justice will be served for her one day. And if it is later, well... better late then never!
Tara would be amazed by the many good people who are concerned about her and I'm sure if she would be in our position and there would be someone who she cares for missing, she probably would do the same.
I am still thinking and praying for Tara every day and I hope one day these prayers will help and will provide a clue that will make the whole complete.

:rose: Tara, hang on baby girl, no one will forget you and you are loved by many people around the world!

I hope her spirit will haunt the perp(s) forever at night but I'm sure Tara wouldn't do such things because she is way above that!

[Results]

I have no clue about HD and TG, but judging by the family pic of HD and family, I think they have tried to move on.

Are you crazy? You do not drag pictures of innocent children to a Crime Message Board!!!! What is the purpose of this? He should have been taking care of his family instead of traveling to Ocilla to a single woman's house at all hours of the night. He should have been taking his family to the Fair instead of a single woman. I am sure they are trying to move on. Actually I would like to know who told you where those pictures were and who told you to post them????? From where I'm standing you don't involve innocent children. Some people will do anything. JMHO

[Results]

Results, to me the reality of all this is that Tara left the BBQ on Saturday 22 October 2005 and has not been heard from since. IMHO I believe that Tara was 'harmed' by someone and that she will not be returning home alive. I believe that Tara had a visitor at her home after she returned from the BBQ, someone whom she knew very well, and that she went somewhere with this person and at a place unknown to us she was 'harmed'. The burning question for me is, where has this person hidden Tara?.

FWIW I do NOT believe that MH 'harmed' Tara. No way, no how.


JMHO

I believe that Tara will not be coming home alive either. I hope that I am wrong. You know the other day I was thinking of why it was never mentioned about HD being at Tara's or him calling FG. IF they would have released that information earlier then I believe MH would have not been the only one followed by reporters going to his Lawyer's office. I am very upset about that. I think things would have turned out alot different if it had been known. JMHO

[The R]

call me slow or whatever but I just found the way back to this board....when someone says they'll be closed for a month, I tend to take their word for it.

:o


R

[The R]

Results, I was told that Tara and HD were at the fair in Perry as a couple. No Mrs. with them. (Just information told to me by one of Tara's close friends)
Rumor or Truth...I personally do not know


Does 'as a couple' mean behaving like a couple? Any more info available on this?

Kinda hard for me to believe that an accomplished professional like HD would be seen acting inapproriately with a woman other than his wife in the town he would be so well known in. Especially at a public place like a state fair? All MO.....


Thanks,
R

[The R]

I would have to ask again..how well does HD take rejection? Also, if this was the case and they were coming out HD had alot to lose a family and then to be shunned I don't think he would take that lightly. IF that was HD talking as barry9120 or whoever that was I really do believe that LE should be looking into that. It is arrogant to call himself a real man when he had a wife and family at home that he was not taking care of. This ones for you HD! JMHO


sorry but I believe barry 90210 is still among us and it ain't me.....I kinda doubt it's HD, too. All MO.....


R

[lighthousedazy]

Does 'as a couple' mean behaving like a couple? Any more info available on this?

Kinda hard for me to believe that an accomplished professional like HD would be seen acting inapproriately with a woman other than his wife in the town he would be so well known in. Especially at a public place like a state fair? All MO.....


Thanks,
RI see your point R. I don't have a link, but I remember Anita saying that Tara sang every year on the WDEN stage at the GA National Fair. Surely if true and she saw her old family friend, she would be seen talking with him.
I just want to speak a little about rumor. As an example, if you saw your minister at ex. Cafe Erotica, or one of these nude dancing clubs talking to the dancers; What would you think, "Oh my gawd one of the biggest scandals. He must be here trying to get a date, or maybe he is here trying to convert the ladies from their evil ways? The Bible says (I'm not a Bible expert) that Jesus was fraternizing with the harlets. That could have be said Jesus was carrying on with the ladies trying to get a date or he was trying to convert them. Another example, I saw a sportscaster at one of our baseball games with her arm around another woman. It could have been reported that the two were a couple or it was just a friendly hug. I tend to go with the latter, but someone could have reported it differently.
I am not trying to preach at anyone. I am not disputing what anyone has said. I just want everyone to think, what you see sometimes maybe not be exactly as it seems.
I come from a long line of school teachers. Even today, I believe that 99 % of teachers are honorable, decent, and moral. I do/did not know Miss Grinstead, but as dedicated as she seemed to be, I do not think she was the town trollop. JMO

[Results]

So the earrings that HD bought her at the fair we need to say it is a gift of friendship? OK When HD parked his car at the neighbors I guess he was protecting her? When HD drove 90 miles to Ocilla to pick Tara up from school he was her friend because she didn't have a friend closer? When HD made all those calls saying he was sorry and he loved her again he was just her friend? When he drove to Ocilla several times that day Sundy then in the wee hours of the night of course he was just her friend? I can clearly see what a picture forms up to be. I will tell you this GD is more woman then I will ever be because his AZZ would be moved out of the family home and I would be raising my children alone. There is something to be said about being happy. If I have any compassion it would be for GD. I do not think that GD had anything to do with Tara's disappearance and how hurt that she must have been when she found out about Tara and HD. Sugarcoat it all you want to but I'm not. IF it was my husband he could get down the road I sure don't need him bringing something home to me and my children. I love my children too much to put up with that! JMHO

[One2Snoop]

So the earrings that HD bought her at the fair we need to say it is a gift of friendship? OK When HD parked his car at the neighbors I guess he was protecting her? When HD drove 90 miles to Ocilla to pick Tara up from school he was her friend because she didn't have a friend closer? When HD made all those calls saying he was sorry and he loved her again he was just her friend? When he drove to Ocilla several times that day Sundy then in the wee hours of the night of course he was just her friend? I can clearly see what a picture forms up to be. I will tell you this GD is more woman then I will ever be because his AZZ would be moved out of the family home and I would be raising my children alone. There is something to be said about being happy. If I have any compassion it would be for GD. I do not think that GD had anything to do with Tara's disappearance and how hurt that she must have been when she found out about Tara and HD. Sugarcoat it all you want to but I'm not. IF it was my husband he could get down the road I sure don't need him bringing something home to me and my children. I love my children too much to put up with that! JMHO

I agree Results that HD's actions are highly suspicious - this is the first I've heard about HD buying Tara earrings at the Fair - where did that info come from? TIA.

[TuscanDreams]

Are you crazy? You do not drag pictures of innocent children to a Crime Message Board!!!! What is the purpose of this? He should have been taking care of his family instead of traveling to Ocilla to a single woman's house at all hours of the night. He should have been taking his family to the Fair instead of a single woman. I am sure they are trying to move on. Actually I would like to know who told you where those pictures were and who told you to post them????? From where I'm standing you don't involve innocent children. Some people will do anything. JMHO

Image Permanently Removed!<---- what the link now says. :beer:

My question is how HD's wife considered his 'friendship' with Tara a betrayl or innappropriate. Has his wife every said anything publically?

[Results]

Image Permanently Removed!<---- what the link now says. :beer:

My question is how HD's wife considered his 'friendship' with Tara a betrayl or innappropriate. Has his wife every said anything publically?

I do not know of his wife making any statements. Her leaving HD soon after Tara disappeared is extreme over just a friendship. JMHO

[BroadwayJoe]

I don't know for sure, but isn't it possible the "separation" was simply a rumor as well? Again, I don't know for sure, and am just speculating that it COULD be rumor since SO MUCH has been said and later found to be rumor in this case. Lighthouse posted previously (excellent post) an example of how rumors can begin and how innocent things can be read another way when seen with another pair of eyes. You can take many situations in which it APPEARS something is wrong, when really it isn't. You can relay that information to another person, and once they repeat it (with negative overtones) it becomes rumor. What if someone saw a female teacher hugging a male teacher and both were married, but it was later found out that one of their family members had died that day, or some other tragedy had taken place and it was simple comfort? On the other hand, if you see your husband or wife naked in a hot tub with other naked people, or walk in on a party where drugs are being openly used, then that would take some explaining. We should all be absolutely SURE of what it is we see, hear and REPEAT, BEFORE it is repeated to others. Some things are innocent and can be explained when given a chance, i.e. Tara at the fair, Tara leaving school, etc. Other things are obvious and cannot be explained away, such as my other examples above. Still others are things which people simply fabricate for spite, in order to hurt a specific person, or protect another person. Neither should be tolerated by the average, educated person, in my opinion.

[Hey Paula]

Hi BJ and Everyone!

I agree with about rumors. There have been so many in this case, and as we all know, depending upon whom folks believe is responsible for Tara's disappearance, so go the rumors about them.

Tara has remained in my thoughts and prayers even though I haven't posted much. I gather there haven't been any new developments in the case, and that saddens me. I had hoped and prayed Tara would be found, regardless of her fate.

I hope everyone is enjoying the Holiday Season.

[Results]

Hi BJ and Everyone!

I agree with about rumors. There have been so many in this case, and as we all know, depending upon whom folks believe is responsible for Tara's disappearance, so go the rumors about them.

Tara has remained in my thoughts and prayers even though I haven't posted much. I gather there haven't been any new developments in the case, and that saddens me. I had hoped and prayed Tara would be found, regardless of her fate.

I hope everyone is enjoying the Holiday Season.

Hey Paula!

Good to see you and I agree that it is sad Tara has not been found.

I hope you have a wonderful Holiday Season as well!

:seeya:

[Results]

I have no clue about HD and TG, but judging by the family pic of HD and family, I think they have tried to move on.

justthinking,

I apologize for jumping on you about the pictures. I'm sure that they are trying to move on with their lives. I was glad to see you posting again and then I jumped all over you and now you stop posting again. I surely didn't want that. I wished more people would post. I think the whole issue with these pictures to me was that I did not realize how young his children are and it really ticked me off to know that he has a beautiful family to which IMO he should have been taking care of instead of driving to Ocilla when ever he wanted to and his wife there with their young children. My anger was lashed out at you and I hope that you will accept my appology! I know that you have come to the boards many time to set the record straight and I do appreciate your efforts to find out facts instead of adding to the rumor pile. Once again I truly am sorry for jumping on you. Sincerely, Results

[Lindsey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lsu
questions:

If HD was at Tara's house when FG called the P's - why couldn't the P's see someone at her house when they looked out the window?
__________________________________________________ __________

The P's didn't look out their window or else they did see HD's vehicle in Tara's yard IF he was there when FG called. IMO, they could see Tara's whole yard if they looked out from the upstairs windows. No one will ever convince me they looked out and didn't see HD in Tara's yard IF he was there.

IMO

[justthinking]

justthinking,

I think the whole issue with these pictures to me was that I did not realize how young his children are and it really ticked me off to know that he has a beautiful family to which IMO he should have been taking care of instead of driving to Ocilla when ever he wanted to and his wife there with their young children. Sincerely, Results

Absolutely! Granted, he is not my POI, but I certainly understand your point of view, as it is very well supported. Apology accepted. My intent was never to smear his family, for they are also innocent victims here.

[Results]

Absolutely! Granted, he is not my POI, but I certainly understand your point of view, as it is very well supported. Apology accepted. My intent was never to smear his family, for they are also innocent victims here.

Thank you for accepting my apology and I know that was not your intention. I respect your opinion and just because we don't agree on a POI does not mean we can't get along. Hope you have a safe and wonderful Holiday Season!

[The R]

Oh Brother, Ooops, hmmmmmmm! I agree Beverly Hills Barry is still among us but has been reasonably quiet lately. But, like you said, most folks thought the boards were down for a month. JMHO.

Good to see you back.

Hey,

Thanks....looks like things are going 'cold' around here. Not much interest anymore or just no info coming forth? Our friend Brian is still saying there's bound to be a 'break' in the case soon?

I'd like to know who tops the GBI's list of POI's........

R

[Fun4You]

It hurts me too to see the intrest increasing on Tara, I come to this site every day to check on new updates or news and I'm really sad to see the messages are slowly becoming less and less...
I hope something is gonna break soon because if not, I'm afraid some day soon no more messages will be posted and the case will be at a final stop, ice cold...

[fsbiii]

Yes, Brian has been changing the date for 9 straight weeks on the big break to be "announce" very soon. I suppose that covers his predictions pretty well so that when something does break, he can say, "Ah ha - I predicted that just yesterday!" LOL...

[hypnotized]

Fun4You & Merrick...It has now been almost 14 months since Tara's disappearance. My confidence has decreased that LE has any "evidence" to move forward!

It does seem like the family (AG) has totally abandoned Tara. If there was a family riff...wouldn't someone else step up to the plate? There was a wonderful letter posted in one of the local papers from B & C Grinstead, but wasn't that the LAST time Tara was mentioned in the media?

MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!

Thank you to all of you who are steadfastly determined to keep this case active!

[The R]

Yes, Brian has been changing the date for 9 straight weeks on the big break to be "announce" very soon. I suppose that covers his predictions pretty well so that when something does break, he can say, "Ah ha - I predicted that just yesterday!" LOL...

Was hoping I wasn't the only one to see that dear Brian sorely needs a proofreader.....guess we all do from time to time. Would like to know B's definition of 'soon' too!

Hey fsbiii, have a holiday drink on me!!!

:beer:

R

[Brainstorm]

I have decided to eliminate AV from my POI list. The phone call that he received from a hysterical woman and he said it sounded like Tara and called the police. The police traced the call to a woman that was hysterical but had the wrong number. IF AV knew where Tara was or even worse killed her why would he think it was Tara?

I have decided to eliminate MH from my POI list. I truly believe that he is a victim which was created by the Hawkinsville clan.

I have decided to eliminate RR from my POI list. I truly believe that he knew Tara wasn't over MH and that the relationship would have never went any further then what they had.

I have decided to eliminate the neighbor Mr. P. I truly believe he did not harm Tara in anyway.

HD is my #1 POI. I believe he knows where she is at either way.

AG/LG they are my 2nd choice. Either they are just fruitcakes or they are starting to believe their own lies or covering up something that is so important to get out that they created a fiasco. Either way they need some serious help.

A Woman is my last choice. Since the last article about all these men and according to sources married, dating, and single men that was going on. I have to say this THERE ARE SOME WOMEN THAT WILL KILL YOU OVER MESSING WITH HER MAN.

Whatever happened I believe one of the 3 above knows what happened.

I do want to say something about what I am so tired of hearing and that is MH because of his military background knows how to dispose of a body. Here is my 2 cents on that our military doesn't train you to dispose of bodies they train you to fight a war and unfortunately in all wars there are casualties. I have never heard of our men/women that go to war and kill someone take the time to dispose of that body before they kill the next person and dispose of his body and so on and so on. I believe a Doctor would know alot more about disposing of bodies then anyone but that is just my opinion.

As always this post is JMHO!



I am in full agreement with Results!!!!!!! I believe AG immediately pointed a finger at MH(I am not in anyones"camp-I do not know MH) thinking this would be a slam dunk,open and closed case and no one would ever be suspisious of her own husband or their good friend..

Speaking of HD (don't know him ,don't have any "inside information" from LE either) I feel like this is the exact reason this case has not beed finalized.The GBI,FBI,(IMO) would not dare to accuse one of their own till they have absolutely ruled out everything and everyone else!!!!!!!!
I'mnot saying HD is their #1 POI-I have no idea about that but I firmly believe they know who did this and in time we will all know.I admire LE and feel confident they have and are doing everything they can.

Why has AG seeminly(IMO)just shut up? Why did Nancy Grace drop this or have I missed something?

JMHO IMOO MOO

[RealityJustice]

IMO, if those closest to Tara keep on LE for some answers, we'd be hearing more about it. JMHO.

We aren't hearing anything about it because there ain't any new updates. I've checked the major search engine sites, nothing, they don't have anything then it's most likely that nobody has a lead in this case.

Saddens me to say it but whoever is behind this crime must have been very lucky or must have planned it out pretty darn well. This is gonna become a cold case sadly.

[One2Snoop]

Whoever did this think they're pretty darn smart IMO - although time may trip someone up eventually.

OT-
Anyone here ever read the book by Ann Rule - "Dead by Sunset, Perfect Husband, Perfect Murder"? Fascinating book that delves into how this one man conned his way through five marriages, the fourth one ending in murder. He manages to dodge the legal system for approximately 6 years. The bizarre personality of the killer is what makes this book so interesting to me and made me think about Tara's disappearance.

[Results]

If that is the case, then I would say that the GBI/OPD swallow their pride and ask another LE agency, ie, the FBI to come in and take a look. Start fresh. It can't hurt to ask, IMO. Also, if the family were to push, LE would do something, anything, follow up on leads, reinterview some of the POIs, assign some new eyes to take a look see. Sadly, it does seem as if the family is resigned to the fact that Tara is gone and she isn't coming back. Unless, of course, they know where she is. JMHO.

IIRC, FBI is involved as well as many other LE agencies. I have faith they will find out where Tara is and how she got there. I will not stop until she is found. However long it takes then that is how long I will be here. I firmly believe that HD knows alot more than he is telling. So, if he is hiding anything it then turns into why would he hide it? JMHO

[lighthousedazy]

IIRC, FBI is involved as well as many other LE agencies. I have faith they will find out where Tara is and how she got there. I will not stop until she is found. However long it takes then that is how long I will be here. I firmly believe that HD knows alot more than he is telling. So, if he is hiding anything it then turns into why would he hide it? JMHOResults, I admire your stamina, and all posters, I appreciate your thoughts. Please don't let this become a cold case. I hope you all have a safe and merry Christmas and happy Hannukah and holiday season.
CJ:rose:

[sogalady]

Just wanted to add that I agree with so many posters here , in that I have been discouraged greatly and have been guilty of not posting as I did before for the mere fact that I didn't have anything new, nor additional comments to older topics. I read the post "almost" on a daily basis and from the depths of my heart I would do anything within my power to help in the resolution of Tara's disappearance, I am just beginning to wonder what that is.

I truly BELIEVE that if the right "agency, PI, whatever" was involved in this case with the open facts as is known by the investigation thus far, as we know it (and possibly a little more interviewing and investigating into either unknown areas or at least the ones that has Not been publized at all), that this case would indeed be solved !

Not sure if that comes across as I intended, but THERE IS AN ANSWER SOMEWHERE, there just has to be !

I Do care and pray that we can all remain steadfast until the answers are clear! Happy Holidays to All!

[Brainstorm]

Just to keep the discussion going and strictly IMOO I keep going back to HD saying he hadn't seen Tara in a couple weeks(IIRC) and then it coming out that he was in fact all over the area the exact weekend she vanished!!!!!!!

[odette]

Maybe that can be one of all of our New Year's resolutions, to post daily and keep Tara's case active. There's an answer out there somewhere. I hope we get this board going again.

I wish you all a very merry and blessed Christmas and the happiest and healthiest of New Years. God Bless:rose:

Merrick
Merry Christmas to you too Merrick ....

There's an answer out there somewhere.

Oh yes ... there surely is an answer out there somewhere!!. It is my firm belief that someone has 'harmed' Tara and the sooner this person is brought to justice the better.

FWIW I do NOT believe that MH harmed Tara.


JMHO

[grandline]

If that is the case, then I would say that the GBI/OPD swallow their pride and ask another LE agency, ie, the FBI to come in and take a look. Start fresh. It can't hurt to ask, IMO. Also, if the family were to push, LE would do something, anything, follow up on leads, reinterview some of the POIs, assign some new eyes to take a look see. Sadly, it does seem as if the family is resigned to the fact that Tara is gone and she isn't coming back. Unless, of course, they know where she is. JMHO.

I read a feature length piece once on organizations that specifically target cold cases. They bring in new teams who had no connection to the original LE associated with the case and they start from scratch.

My first reaction was "How could this be helpful when so much grunt work was done earlier and results were not achieved?" But the more I read into the article, the more convinced I was that it could work.

One of the biggest problems I see with this case is the spin that was created from Day One. While all of our eyes were being pointed in one direction, what was going on in other directions? What was missed? If any of us were assigned to investigate this case and were not allowed any contact with Tara's family or other investigators, what conclusions would we have first drawn?

Unfortunately for the families of missing persons, they hold a lot of power over the direction these cases take. Who else knew the missing person best, right? So we place more value and priority on information coming from those we assume are closest to the missing person. This is unfortunate because such an event does not create the best atmosphere for personal stability and families/close friends of the missing have the power to possibly make or break a case early on. Numerous posters have tried to retrace theories from the beginning and it has proven to be so difficult because we have been indoctrinated with certain "facts" that we are not even able to prove with absolute certainty!


I'm not saying anyone intentionally misled LE. Since we do not know what happened to Tara, I feel it is impossible to discern that at this time. But I feel had someone stepped up and said "We just don't know what happened" versus immediately pointing fingers and targeting blame and scrutiny on one innocent-until-proven-otherwise person, then maybe things would have been different. :shrug:

I pray for Tara's loved ones as the holidays are upon us and they bear the burden of celebrating another Christmas without their beloved.

[odette]

Just to keep the discussion going and strictly IMOO I keep going back to HD saying he hadn't seen Tara in a couple weeks(IIRC) and then it coming out that he was in fact all over the area the exact weekend she vanished!!!!!!!

I keep going back to HD saying he hadn't seen Tara in a couple weeks(IIRC)

HD actually said "weeks".

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." ****s, who has been cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."


http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

jmho

[Results]

I'm trying to be nice because of the Holiday Season! It may not work because I'm getting all fired up again and it just burns my a@@ that HD thinks so highly of himself. Yeap sure does. This is what I have to say: IF HD did infact pick Tara up at the school on October 18th, 2005 for whatever reason and this is true then as a LE Officer when he takes the stand for the DA to testify against a case in Perry, GA then who is going to believe him because his crediability is shot to hades! Either he went or he didn't. Either he is lying or he isn't. It can not be the same it is EITHER, OR. JMVHO

[Results]

Take some of this reward money to find out about the fair and the October 18, 2005 for anyone that has knowledge of those events. Got to get them talking some how....money talks and bullsh@t walks! Just a thought! JMHO

[One2Snoop]

I soooo agree with everything you guys are saying - the book I referenced above, the investigation went on for 6 or more years. The person who was eventually charged with the victims murder was well versed in the law but not criminal law and he was not an attorney. It took a team of people who truly wanted justice for their friend, daughter, in-law and mother of three very young boys. Some people left the case, others feared for their lives if they testified and gave out any information whatsoever, those people included law enforcement and investigators, ex-wives and family, but the investigators and those close to the victim would not give up. People had information they thought meant nothing, but in the end it helped pull all the pieces of the puzzle together in order to get to the truth. All those pieces eventually put the perp behind bars.

Its like Hancock said....

"We desperately want to provide...answers for the family, for the community, for her students at school," said Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock who has been involved in the hunt for Tara Grinstead since the beginning. "It's just that we haven't found the right piece to the puzzle.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1006/1901_tara_grinstead_anniversary2.html

[odette]

I'm trying to be nice because of the Holiday Season! It may not work because I'm getting all fired up again and it just burns my a@@ that HD thinks so highly of himself. Yeap sure does. This is what I have to say: IF HD did infact pick Tara up at the school on October 18th, 2005 for whatever reason and this is true then as a LE Officer when he takes the stand for the DA to testify against a case in Perry, GA then who is going to believe him because his crediability is shot to hades! Either he went or he didn't. Either he is lying or he isn't. It can not be the same it is EITHER, OR. JMVHO


10-14-2006, 02:37 PM
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I was told by co-workers of Tara's that they did not see who she left with; however, Tara had TOLD them afterwards that she had left with HD. They had no reason to not believe her.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=266543&page=77



FWIW I have no doubt that HD came to came to Ocilla and picked Tara up from school. Tara left school early that particular day ... are there any locals who can tell us if Tara told them why she had to leave school early. TIA

Crimelibrary Article
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html


JMHO

[Results]

hmmmmmmmmm Oh my, my, my!

[TuscanDreams]

As the interest wanes, I'm concerned that this case won't ever be closed.

I've heard people state, "hundreds of people are missing, why just focus on one?" Well, my answer to that is this: Whoever took Tara is still out there and they could be harming someone else.

Every missing person is important, including Tara. she was a low risk victim in a low risk town. That's huge cause for concern.

[Brainstorm]

Just got to wondering what HD is up to these days.Check this out !!!

http://www.topix.net/city/perry-ga

on page 2 go to the 4th from the bottom article----Albany man charged in Wal-Mart foot-licking released from jail on bond

It's crazy.............. It's bizzare..............IMOO of course

[dixinites]

I'm still very interested to know the reliability of the accounts placing HD and Tara at the Ga National Fair. I PM'd the original poster regarding this, but received no reply. I think that this information would be very relevent. Most certainly HD knew someone would see them there, which would lead one to wonder whether or not he had already talked to MrsHD regarding his and Tara's relationship. And of course, there is always the possibility that they just ran into each other there...so their activities while there would be very "telling", as well.

Anything is possible in this case, but I can't for the life of me believe that people still think Tara is alive and well out there somewhere. I didn't know her personally, but I can't think of any conceivable reason why someone so beloved and involved in the community would leave on her own, without any communication with anyone (her family most of all). And if her family HAS had contact with her, they would not let this "mystery" continue.
Come on, get real people...JMO...And where should we search next?

[Hey Paula]

As the interest wanes, I'm concerned that this case won't ever be closed.

I've heard people state, "hundreds of people are missing, why just focus on one?" Well, my answer to that is this: Whoever took Tara is still out there and they could be harming someone else.

Every missing person is important, including Tara. she was a low risk victim in a low risk town. That's huge cause for concern.

I agree with you. And because Tara was a low risk victim in a low risk town, it reinforces my belief that she was likely met with foul play by someone she knew.

IMO

[Results]

Thank you so much for that link but I found something more interesting then that. The article you are talking about is dated Sept 22, 2006 listed as Perry Police Capt. Heath ****s.

The article name Missing Woman on October 11, 2006 says Capt Bill Phelps with the Perry Police Department.

So, is there 2 Captains for the Perry Police Department or did HD get demoted? TIA

[Results]

Just got to wondering what HD is up to these days.Check this out !!!

http://www.topix.net/city/perry-ga

on page 2 go to the 4th from the bottom article----Albany man charged in Wal-Mart foot-licking released from jail on bond

It's crazy.............. It's bizzare..............IMOO of course


Brainstorm, I got to tell you I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. This is so IRONIC. An article on the link you provided says:

Man wears 'liar' sign as penance for filing false report

15 hrs ago | The Associated Press on Topix.net

As he marched up and down a busy road wearing a placard proclaiming 'I AM A LIAR,' Craig Breuwet endured a painfully public punishment for lying to police.

Now I am sure I don't have to say anything because those of you who know me already know what I'm thinking! OMG ROTFLMAO JUST PRICELESS

JMHO

[TuscanDreams]

I agree with you. And because Tara was a low risk victim in a low risk town, it reinforces my belief that she was likely met with foul play by someone she knew.

IMO

I agree. It's obvious to me that someone she knew abducted her. It's still JMO, but I think a female was involved and that she's told someone- like a spouse.

[sogalady]

I agree. It's obvious to me that someone she knew abducted her. It's still JMO, but I think a female was involved and that she's told someone- like a spouse.


TuscanDreams. Just curious, Why do feel so strongly that a female was involved? I remember that you have posted many times before that this is your opinion and please forgive me if you have explained this recently and I missed it. Seriously, would like to know ( if you don't mind sharing) what it is that makes you feel this way. IF you do not wish to share, I understand.
TIA, Happy Holidays!

[Results]

Hey sogalady! Good to see you friend. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.

[Hey Paula]

I agree. It's obvious to me that someone she knew abducted her. It's still JMO, but I think a female was involved and that she's told someone- like a spouse.

There are various scenarios which play out in my mind, due to some of the info we currently have.

Because Tara's purse was missing, and the clothes she was wearing were lying about, the possibility of Tara coming home from the barbeque, changing into warmer clothing and driving to meet someone has crossed my mind. This is where a female might be involved, perhaps unwittingly, to lure Tara out of her home.

I've thought about Tara's necklace being found on the floor, and wondered whether she had worn it that night to the cookout? Unless the necklace was one which would have clashed with an outfit Tara might have changed into, (going on the premise she left the house again of her own volition) it seems unlikely to me that she would have taken the time to remove it. I wonder if the clasp was broken, as if it was ripped off during a struggle? If Tara hadn't worn the necklace to the cookout, then it could have fallen on the floor through various ways (e.g., it might have been lying on the furniture and fallen while the pageant members were getting ready, the cats could have knocked it off the furniture, or Tara, herself, could have dropped it out of her hands.)

If Tara was met with foul play, somehow I feel that a woman couldn't have caused Tara's demise, then hid her body so well that it wouldn't have been found by now. It would have taken a considerable amount of strength for a woman to dispose of her body singlehandedly.

IMO

Wishing you, and everyone, a safe and Happy Holiday season!

[Hey Paula]

Happy Holidays, Paula,

There were photos of Tara that show she was, in fact, wearing the necklace at the pageant and later at the barbeque. I agree with your reasoning as to how it may have been overlooked during the early searches of her home.

For the longest time I was of the opinion that Tara most likely took off on her own because of all the personal drama being played out in her life. However, now I'm more inclined to think she met with foul play, though I pray that is not the case. I'm also inclined to think this was not a random act of violence perpetrated by a stranger. The lack of an obvious struggle in Tara's home leads me to believe that someone she knew got her out of the house when she returned home. I think the reasons are starting to become evident. It's just such a sad, sad case that I hope is resolved by this time next year.

My best wishes go to her parents and step-parents as they face another holiday season without Tara.:rose:

JMHO,
Merrick

Hi Merrick! Happy Holidays to you and yours!

I thought I recalled Tara having worn the necklace to the pageant, but I wasn't positive. Other than it being found on the floor, I don't recall the condition of it being mentioned, e.g., whether or not it was broken, although it might have slipped my mind.

Obviously Tara changed her clothing when she arrived home because the outfit she was wearing was lying about. What she donned, following the removal of those garments, is key to whether or not she was abducted from her house, or decided to go out again and disappeared outside of her home. If she changed into bedclothes, then the abduction obviously occurred from her home.

Unless my memory has failed, or I hadn't read enough about this tragic case, I don't recall underwear being mentioned as items found among the outfit lying about which Tara had worn. That kind of info could be important in determining whether Tara stepped out again that night. If she changed hurriedly, she likely wouldn't have changed her underwear too.

Like you, I don't believe Tara just took off somewhere. Unfortunately, I feel she was met with foul play, and it saddens me to say that it appears this case has grown cold. I wonder if it will ever be officially solved and those responsible brought to justice?

My thoughts and prayers are with the family during this holiday season. As joyful and happy as they can be for many, for those whose family members are missing or have been murdered, the holidays can be incredibly sad.

IMO

[TuscanDreams]

TuscanDreams. Just curious, Why do feel so strongly that a female was involved? I remember that you have posted many times before that this is your opinion and please forgive me if you have explained this recently and I missed it. !

Here you go and Merry Christmas to you and yours:

When males abduct women, they enter into the home and make a mess- unless they are abducting a child and don't want to wake someone in the home. In Tara's case, a male perpetrator could have overpowered her tiny body easily, but she would have fought back and made a huge mess. Things would have most likely been broken. Also, males often stage a burgulary during these types of crimes and there wasn't any staging there. I don't think that the Haunting Evidence show was correct in that the perpetrator went back into the home and cleaned up after himself. Why would he have re-entered the home? It makes no sense. Even if he wanted to clean up- he'd have been too afraid of being seen to return. Rarely does a perp return to the crime scene immediately after he commits the crime- but they almost always return eventually.

My scenario goes something like this:
I think that a young female called Tara and pretended to be in great distress. Maybe she called Tara and said, "Hey, help me! I hit a dog with my car and I need you to make sure it's ok. The police are coming, please help me. I'll be there in a sec to pick you up." Tara rushed out of her house and ran into this female's vehicle. The female pulled out a weapon, most likely a gun and drove her off. I believe the female was young because Tara would be most likely to believe that a younger person needed her immediate help.

Females don't exert power over others unless they have a weapon, typically. They don't strangle, choke or use any other types of soft kills. Women are poisoners and shooters for the most part. They want their victims to die without suffering, which is contradictory I realize.

There is more to my theory that I haven't posted. The reason I haven't posted it is that I don't want to give anyone ideas (lurkers) on how my female clients pulled something like this off.

One of the females that was previously in my caseload committed a crime that is eerily similar to this one. The weirdest thing about that case is the victim was tall and built large and the perp was petite- and the victim lived after she was shot and left for dead. In that case, the perp had been cheating with the victim's boyfriend and wanted this woman out of the way.

I could be really off track, but that's my theory. It's just based on what I've seen and learned throughout the years. Women are often more violent then men, only women end up being called, "black widows" or something that makes it sound like they are less than a murderer.

[dixinites]

I agree, Tuscan, that most likely a female was involved:

My strongest hunch would be MrsHD who would have done a "temporary" disposal and enlisted the help of HD to find a more permanant location to hide the body. (I think he would have helped her out because of guilt re the affair and to protect their children). I'm not sure that she intended to kill her, but I think she took her to a remote location to talk and things got out of hand. She could have forced her out at gunpoint, explaining why there was no struggle, or Tara could have gone willingly, not sensing the danger. Tara could have pre-arranged to meet MrsHD to talk or she could have been expecting a visit from HD and didn't want to talk to MrsHD (if she showed up unexpectedly) at her home because she knew he was coming and it would get ugly.

On the other hand, a young female, as you indicated, could have easily lured her out under the pretense of an emergency...someone who was dating one of Tara's previous boyfriends (MH comes to mind, but not the only possibility)
and wanted to scare Tara off or wanted "the competition" out of the way permanantly. (I think that it would have taken more than one person to dispose of the body in this case as well.)

Anyway, I think that we should be concentrating on where else to look for Tara's remains. Sadly, I don't think she will be coming home alive. JMO.

[Hey Paula]

Here you go and Merry Christmas to you and yours:

When males abduct women, they enter into the home and make a mess- unless they are abducting a child and don't want to wake someone in the home. In Tara's case, a male perpetrator could have overpowered her tiny body easily, but she would have fought back and made a huge mess. Things would have most likely been broken. Also, males often stage a burgulary during these types of crimes and there wasn't any staging there. I don't think that the Haunting Evidence show was correct in that the perpetrator went back into the home and cleaned up after himself. Why would he have re-entered the home? It makes no sense. Even if he wanted to clean up- he'd have been too afraid of being seen to return. Rarely does a perp return to the crime scene immediately after he commits the crime- but they almost always return eventually.

My scenario goes something like this:
I think that a young female called Tara and pretended to be in great distress. Maybe she called Tara and said, "Hey, help me! I hit a dog with my car and I need you to make sure it's ok. The police are coming, please help me. I'll be there in a sec to pick you up." Tara rushed out of her house and ran into this female's vehicle. The female pulled out a weapon, most likely a gun and drove her off. I believe the female was young because Tara would be most likely to believe that a younger person needed her immediate help.

Females don't exert power over others unless they have a weapon, typically. They don't strangle, choke or use any other types of soft kills. Women are poisoners and shooters for the most part. They want their victims to die without suffering, which is contradictory I realize.

There is more to my theory that I haven't posted. The reason I haven't posted it is that I don't want to give anyone ideas (lurkers) on how my female clients pulled something like this off.

One of the females that was previously in my caseload committed a crime that is eerily similar to this one. The weirdest thing about that case is the victim was tall and built large and the perp was petite- and the victim lived after she was shot and left for dead. In that case, the perp had been cheating with the victim's boyfriend and wanted this woman out of the way.

I could be really off track, but that's my theory. It's just based on what I've seen and learned throughout the years. Women are often more violent then men, only women end up being called, "black widows" or something that makes it sound like they are less than a murderer.


If the woman left to pickTara up with her car, after she hit a dog with it, wouldn't she be leaving the scene of an accident?

[sogalady]

TuscanDreams, Thanks for taking the time to respond! There are really several points to ponder when you mention the points (in general) about the overall differences in male and female perps. I respect your opinion and was just "pulling a blank" when I was reading your post about " IMO, possible a female", etc.

Once again thanks for broadening my view! MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[sogalady]

Hey sogalady! Good to see you friend. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.

Results, Been busy preparing for the holidays and haven't been around much, but it is nice to know that you missed me !

Merry Christmas to you and your family also ! May you all have a New Year blessed with Love, Health and Happiness !

( We will have to get together when the holiday rush is over,,, deal?)

[TuscanDreams]

If the woman left to pickTara up with her car, after she hit a dog with it, wouldn't she be leaving the scene of an accident?

Sorry, I should have made this more clear. She didn't really hit the dog with her car, she was making up an excuse to lure Tara from her home.

Such as, "My husband is in the hospital, he's asked for you, please come!" ;)

[Brainstorm]

IT IS MY SINCERE PRAYER THAT THE PERSON OR PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF TARA WILL FEEL LEAD TO TELL THE TRUTH-TODAY!!!!!!!!PLEASE DO NOT LET THOSE WHO LOVE HER GO ANOTHER MOMENT WITHOUT KNOWING THE TRUTH.REMEMBER-YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM GOD!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS TARA AND THOSE WHO LOVE AND MISS HER:rose:

SINCERELY,BRAINSTORM

[Its just me]

Results, Been busy preparing for the holidays and haven't been around much, but it is nice to know that you missed me !

Merry Christmas to you and your family also ! May you all have a New Year blessed with Love, Health and Happiness !

( We will have to get together when the holiday rush is over,,, deal?)

I have been here very little but I read if I have a chance. Thanks to all who have kept this board alive for Tara. I pray you all have a wonderful Christmas Day and prayers the new year will bring answers for Tara and many blessings to all of you.

Sogalady and Results please don't have a get together without inviting Me. Please. Love to you both. You are special posters. ItsJustMe

Special prayers for people who face the holidays without a loved one.

[Results]

Results, Been busy preparing for the holidays and haven't been around much, but it is nice to know that you missed me !

Merry Christmas to you and your family also ! May you all have a New Year blessed with Love, Health and Happiness !

( We will have to get together when the holiday rush is over,,, deal?)

Sounds like a good deal to me. Looking forward to it.

[Results]

I have been here very little but I read if I have a chance. Thanks to all who have kept this board alive for Tara. I pray you all have a wonderful Christmas Day and prayers the new year will bring answers for Tara and many blessings to all of you.

Sogalady and Results please don't have a get together without inviting Me. Please. Love to you both. You are special posters. ItsJustMe

Special prayers for people who face the holidays without a loved one.

IJM, you know we would NEVER leave our favorite person out. You always make everything special and we all love you for it! Hope you had a safe and wonderful Christmas.

[odette]

So the earrings that HD bought her at the fair we need to say it is a gift of friendship? OK When HD parked his car at the neighbors I guess he was protecting her? When HD drove 90 miles to Ocilla to pick Tara up from school he was her friend because she didn't have a friend closer? When HD made all those calls saying he was sorry and he loved her again he was just her friend? When he drove to Ocilla several times that day Sundy then in the wee hours of the night of course he was just her friend? I can clearly see what a picture forms up to be. I will tell you this GD is more woman then I will ever be because his AZZ would be moved out of the family home and I would be raising my children alone. There is something to be said about being happy. If I have any compassion it would be for GD. I do not think that GD had anything to do with Tara's disappearance and how hurt that she must have been when she found out about Tara and HD. Sugarcoat it all you want to but I'm not. IF it was my husband he could get down the road I sure don't need him bringing something home to me and my children. I love my children too much to put up with that! JMHO

I do not think that GD had anything to do with Tara's disappearance and how hurt that she must have been when she found out about Tara and HD.

I totally agree with you Results ... I truly believe that GD is an innocent victim in all of this.

FWIW, If he was my husband, he would have been out the door so fast he wouldn't have had time to scratch himself.

JMHO

[odette]

Another thing just came to mind.....

I think it would be a good idea to go back a few weeks or as far as a month with the cell phone signals for the people in question now.

If they feel it was premidated and the disposal site had been pre -selected... maybe once graphed out it would show a particular location that had been visited more than once......

If I put myself in the situation that I was preselecting a site I would visit that area more than once to get a feel for the place, to really check it out.

Any thoughts on that?
If they feel it was premidated and the disposal site had been pre -selected... maybe once graphed out it would show a particular location that had been visited more than once......

Going along with my notion that the crime against Tara may have very well been premeditated, I think that it would be an excellent idea to 'track back' the movements of any POI cellphone for a few weeks prior to Tara's disappearance.

The Men in this Case: Discusssion
03-22-2006, 11:38 PM
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Wonder what Godwin means by this??

Released 3.22.06: Dr. Godwin has shared the following additional information:
The abduction of Tara was not a spontaneous or opportunistic crime but rather one that was well thought out even to the point of stalking her prior to the attack. It’s likely that the perpetrator pre-selected the disposal site and monitored the house for several days after the abduction to see if Tara’s disappearance had been reported to law enforcement.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=266543&page=12


JMHO

[mooloo]

Dang, that would be extremely FAST!! :biggrin:


FWIW, If he was my husband, he would have been out the door so fast he wouldn't have had time to scratch himself.

JMHO

[odette]

Dang, that would be extremely FAST!! :biggrin:
You will find that a partner who cheats on his/her 'significant other' is usually an excellent liar as well. It 'goes with the territory'. A very nasty combination indeed.

JMHO

[Hey Paula]

Sorry, I should have made this more clear. She didn't really hit the dog with her car, she was making up an excuse to lure Tara from her home.

Such as, "My husband is in the hospital, he's asked for you, please come!" ;)

I don't think many women would buy that one, LOL!

[Hey Paula]

Happy New Year, Paula,

They might buy it if the husband was a close personal friend of the family who had been watching out for Tara. You never know, JMHO.

Hi Merrick!

Happy New Year to you and yours!

Was Tara friendly with any of the wives of anyone she might have had a relationship with? And what man wouold ask his wife to call her/his female friend to have her come visit him in the hospital? Even if their "relationship" was kept secret, the cat would be out of the bag with such a request.

I'm guessing TD was pulling my leg. If not, I can't see something like that happening, at least not to me.

IMO

[odette]

The meltdown where she needed someone to go drive her home while she was enroute from night classes was a year ago tonight, Oct. 13 2005. This was the incident where she had the phone argument with MH and called his dad and stepmom to go to her and drive her the rest of the way home. (It was on Thursday last year.)
The next day, on Friday, Oct. 14 2005 she didn't go to work but went to MH's house and knocked on his window.

On Tuesday Oct. 18, 2005 "a police officer from a neighboring town" picked Tara up from school/work early. In fact, I've been told she didn't even tell anyone she was leaving.

IMO JMO MOO... according to what I've been told.

I would love for some locals and/or co-workers to post what they know/heard about those incidents.

Quite apart from HD being in Tara's yard at 12:15am on Monday 24 October, this particular visit by HD to Tara's school/work on Tuesday 18 October and him saying that he had last seen Tara "weeks prior to her going missing" really gets to me. Why would he say "weeks"?.

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

JMHO

[odette]

And we've seen it SO many times, before, LW. recall Anne Marie Fahey - beautiful young intern seeing the prominent lawyer, Capano.... Chandra Levy's mysterious disappearance - seeing the prominent politician Gary Condit - to save tedious reading, there are many more; most involve high profile men dating 'pretty single females' - who tragically disappear.

We cannot RULE out HD. He drives 90 miles cross-county as (reportedly) Tara tells him, and only him, she is in 'Real Danger'. He tells absolutely no-one this and takes it upon himself to check up on her. Once there - he calls TARA'S MOTHER after midnight - and Faye calls the neighbours. MEANWHILE - we HAVE to ask: DID Faye actually KNOW HD was parked right there? Or ... could he have misled Faye by what he DIDN'T say? He could have simply said:

"I've been trying to reach Tara ... no luck ... is she ok?"

Faye may have easily assumed HD was at his home (or thereabouts). HE could SEE the neighbour's house! HE could have walked on over and asked if tara had gone to them, or talked with them earlier that night. HE could have (and SHOULD have bashed her door and alerted emergency...) NOT just slink off into the darkness and keep mum about his midnight driving session - UNTIL .... phone records placed him there.

Agreed: until we know more - it's not our place to judge. BUT judging by what we DO know - well .... hmmmmm?

Hear Hear!!


JMHO

[concernedperson]

I agree ****s was acting strangely.

What if when they spoke on the phone Saturday night they had a fight. The next day he calls several times to apologize but never gets an answer. Later Sunday in the evening someone tellls him they accidently killed Tara and didn't mean to blah, blah, blah. What are they going to do?

He figures Tara is already gone and it would hurt others if this info is known so he travels to Ocilla in the middle of the night to make sure there is no evidence to incriminate this person. He looks around to see if anything is left that could and calls Faye to check with the neighbors under the ruse to see if they saw Tara but really to see if they saw anyone or anything else.

He returns to his area to get rid of further evidence...Tara. This would be time consuming and probably exhausting. His emotions would be raw and tears could flow very easily at the OPD the following afternoon.

I think LE needs to find out if anyone close to HD sold there car shortly after Tara disappeared and to whom so it could be checked out. If a female did this I believe they would use a gun and spatter could be in the car. If a male did this he more than likely strangled her but there still could be other forensics in the vehicle...hair etc.

This scenario, although manufactured by me, is a reasonable explanation for his behavior. I can't buy him calling and calling leaving personal messages if he had just offed Tara. The time between the last phone call to Tara and his returning to the scene is crucial. This would be the time he learned of Tara's murder and the action to hide her body and hide her killer.

[One2Snoop]

I can't buy him calling and calling leaving personal messages if he had just offed Tara. The time between the last phone call to Tara and his returning to the scene is crucial. This would be the time he learned of Tara's murder and the action to hide her body and hide her killer.

But killers have been known in previous cases to leave messages on a loved ones answering machine, all to bolster their alibi. Scott Peterson, for one, comes to mind.

[Brainstorm]

But killers have been known in previous cases to leave messages on a loved ones answering machine, all to bolster their alibi. Scott Peterson, for one, comes to mind.

"bolster their alibi" This is exactly what I believe happened.(IMOO) HD is a very smart man (IMO) but his actions implied "overload" to me. Tara could have simply went out of town overnite to think things over(just a thought) and his and AG's actions and accusations seemed really DRASTIC(IMOO)

What say?

brainstorm

[concernedperson]

But killers have been known in previous cases to leave messages on a loved ones answering machine, all to bolster their alibi. Scott Peterson, for one, comes to mind.

True. But Scott left the message for his wife not his girlfriend. It seems HD would have been concerned that all the neighbors, LE , her family and friends would have intercepted those messages and surely his wife would find out if she didn't know already.

I am trying to think logically. If he were guilty and wanted to bolster his alibi wouldn't leaving those personal messages be more risky? Wouldn't you leave one message asking the person to call with a mundane message i.e. just saw an old friend please call so I can tell you about it etc. Not the I am sorry and I love you messages......

Just trying to sort through some of this in my mind.

[Brainstorm]

Unless he was guilty of something then of course,even though he is smart(IMO)his actions caused him to panic
Just a thought. Sure does seem that HD could speak up and clear all
this up.I hope the man can't have a moments peace.If this turns out
different I will make a public apology to HD.

[concernedperson]

Merrick, I agree he is in this up to his eyeballs but what I can't figure out 100% is exactly what happened and who else was involved. I still think the timeline from the last call to Tara's house on Sunday is importent. It became known that he called FG from Tara's yard very late Sunday/early Monday .

Where was he inbetween times and/or who with? Where was he and LG/Ag on Monday before showing up at OPD in the afternoon? Tara was reported missing in the morning at 8:30 IIRC. I understand they didn't get there until 1 or 2 pm. Doesn't seem like it was too urgent then like it was in the middle of the night.Tara's not coming back and this was apparent to a few people almost immediately. JMO.

[dixinites]

Without knowing the exact contents of the message tapes, it's just speculation (like almost everything in this case) about his reasoning when he left them and/or his explanation of them afterward. There's a difference between a simple "I love you", which could (by him) be explained away as a "friendship" remark and "professions of love" to which many have alluded to on this forum. Just one of the MANY confusing (and frustrating) things about Tara's case.

For some reason, I was of the impression that his 20+ calls commenced late Sat nite, and I drew the conclusion, based on this, that HD might be trying to warn Tara that his wife might be on the way down there for a showdown.
Odette pointed out to me (Thnx) that the calls were made thru the day on Sunday, which changes the timeline on my theories quite a bit.

I think that HD and Tara had already taken the first steps in "coming out" about their relationship (the Ga Fair, for example), so if he had harmed Tara
and knew the tapes would become public, he wasn't really risking having their affair being revealed by the messages.

I wonder if after the Ga Fair appearance, one of them changed their mind about the relationship? That would certainly be reason for an argument.

[The R]

Originally Posted by jela72
And we've seen it SO many times, before, LW. recall Anne Marie Fahey - beautiful young intern seeing the prominent lawyer, Capano.... Chandra Levy's mysterious disappearance - seeing the prominent politician Gary Condit - to save tedious reading, there are many more; most involve high profile men dating 'pretty single females' - who tragically disappear.

We cannot RULE out HD. He drives 90 miles cross-county as (reportedly) Tara tells him, and only him, she is in 'Real Danger'. He tells absolutely no-one this and takes it upon himself to check up on her.









Hear Hear!!


JMHO


On the Tara in danger question.........

Didn't LG state in an interview that Tara told him she felt threatened or in danger?



R

[concernedperson]

Originally Posted by jela72
And we've seen it SO many times, before, LW. recall Anne Marie Fahey - beautiful young intern seeing the prominent lawyer, Capano.... Chandra Levy's mysterious disappearance - seeing the prominent politician Gary Condit - to save tedious reading, there are many more; most involve high profile men dating 'pretty single females' - who tragically disappear.

We cannot RULE out HD. He drives 90 miles cross-county as (reportedly) Tara tells him, and only him, she is in 'Real Danger'. He tells absolutely no-one this and takes it upon himself to check up on her.












On the Tara in danger question.........

Didn't LG state in an interview that Tara told him she felt threatened or in danger?



R


Yes, LG did state this and HD is trying to portray the same thing. Odd isn't it?

[odette]

And I guess HD's wife split with him, temporarily, just because he was protecting Tara from "the danger"?

IMO, Tara was in as much "danger" as a pig at a Chik-Fi-La. This is an utter crock of conspiracy stew, and it's rancid to the bottom of the bowl.

The above quote sums up the whole "Tara was in danger" story so well!!! IMO

JMHO

[The R]

Yes, LG did state this and HD is trying to portray the same thing. Odd isn't it?

Yes it is odd, BUT you have to consider the story that Tara had contacted LG re: danger, could and I do mean could, provide HD with corrobative evidence with regard to an alibi. Don't you have to consider the fact that it (Tara's reporting of danger) could be true regardless of the MH witchhunt???...............AMO.

[Results]

Yes it is odd, BUT you have to consider the story that Tara had contacted LG re: danger, could and I do mean could, provide HD with corrobative evidence with regard to an alibi. Don't you have to consider the fact that it (Tara's reporting of danger) could be true regardless of the MH witchhunt???...............AMO.

Yes, but HE DID NOTHING! HD had 90 miles to drive to Tara's house so he had plenty of time to consider what he would do if she wasn't home. His choice was nothing even when she was in danger? Now HD has to drive back 90 miles back to his house and never once occurs to him that Tara is in danger HE STILL DOES NOTHING! I'm sorry but that to me is not corrobative evidence. That shows me just the opposit. JMHO

[fsbiii]

An old post I made:

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"According to Mr. Gattis, he and Tara "did some e-mails" back and forth where Tara was worried and getting a little afraid of Harper. Gattis says that Tara said that Harper said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities. Gattis said Tara confided in him, and that during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen. Gattis says he emailed her back, sometime during the summer before she went missing, and said he was worried "it would get worse with Marcus" and he warned her about that situation."

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Has LG told anyone in the legitimate media anything along these lines, or just to Larry Harriet (who has disproved his legitimacy quite well)? Did he mention this 'danger' in the Dateline interview? Greta interview? I don't think he did, and that tells me that it's most likely a convenient offering of self serving information to explain his numerous emails to/from Tara when the true reasons behind them might not be so pretty. IMO, the GBI has the emails (hopefully) between LG and Tara and can decipher if anything about LG's statements to Larry Harriet were true, false, or somewhere in between.

[PNut]

ok...let me see if I can accurately summarize the general opinion here - note I said GENERAL! LOL

HD's claims of Tara telling him she was in danger are false, and probably his attempt to throw a friendly/brotherly light, on an affair. A platonic excuse to cover his 20+ calls to her that weekend.

Regarding the 20+ calls - we feel that 1 of 2 things was going on - #1 he was begging to meet up with her, or #2 he was calling to warn her of his wife coming to pay Tara a visit.

As for him calling Faye from Tara's house early that morning - we feel it was just another attempt at his friendly/brotherly concern alibi - yes? And the card on the front door was also just more - "see, I was here and SO concerned excuse"?

And so following all this - do we basically come down to this - the majority here feel it was either HD or his wife that was involved that night? Again, I'm saying majority! I know some here feel it might not be HD and that's cool too! I'm personally feel HD had something to do with it, and I'm trying to really analyize his behaviour that weekend.

He put himself all around Tara that weekend - phone calls, drive bys, calling family, leaving his card, being at the police station. Bad luck of a friend truly concerned - or an experienced cop who is wise to how to create a good alibi?

[The R]

Yes, but HE DID NOTHING! HD had 90 miles to drive to Tara's house so he had plenty of time to consider what he would do if she wasn't home. His choice was nothing even when she was in danger? Now HD has to drive back 90 miles back to his house and never once occurs to him that Tara is in danger HE STILL DOES NOTHING! I'm sorry but that to me is not corrobative evidence. That shows me just the opposit. JMHO

I see your point. However I don't know what HD's thoughts were about her being endangered if anyone thought she was at all. I do know that 'endangerment' or the possibility thereof is often minimized by those that could do something to prevent an incident from occuring. LE and child protection services everywhere are constantly fighting criticism that nothing was done to aid a person/child in danger. HD may have felt there was no danger, imminently speaking. I don't really see that the fact that he drove 90miles and did 'nothing' has anything to do with implicating him. All MO.


R

[The R]

An old post I made:

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"According to Mr. Gattis, he and Tara "did some e-mails" back and forth where Tara was worried and getting a little afraid of Harper. Gattis says that Tara said that Harper said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities. Gattis said Tara confided in him, and that during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen. Gattis says he emailed her back, sometime during the summer before she went missing, and said he was worried "it would get worse with Marcus" and he warned her about that situation."

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Has LG told anyone in the legitimate media anything along these lines, or just to Larry Harriet (who has disproved his legitimacy quite well)? Did he mention this 'danger' in the Dateline interview? Greta interview? I don't think he did, and that tells me that it's most likely a convenient offering of self serving information to explain his numerous emails to/from Tara when the true reasons behind them might not be so pretty. IMO, the GBI has the emails (hopefully) between LG and Tara and can decipher if anything about LG's statements to Larry Harriet were true, false, or somewhere in between.


If Harriet's report was the only source of LG's purported contact with Tara re: danger I would agree it is worthless. Thanks. All MO.


R

[The R]

I don't really see that the fact that he drove 90miles and did 'nothing' has anything to do with implicating him. All MO.


R


Before I get flamed......just wanted to say I know that HD just being in Ocilla is enough to place him on a POI list.....I'm sure that there are many reasons he could be suspected. But it seems some of the stuff I'm reading here about him is no better backed than some of the stuff I read about Harper that the 'family' threw out there in the past. Just MO.

[concernedperson]

Before I get flamed......just wanted to say I know that HD just being in Ocilla is enough to place him on a POI list.....I'm sure that there are many reasons he could be suspected. But it seems some of the stuff I'm reading here about him is no better backed than some of the stuff I read about Harper that the 'family' threw out there in the past. Just MO.

Good point. We can throw in a third possibility here too.

What if the 10:20 Saturday call by HD to Tara was breaking plans to meet up with her. She gets upset and he knows it. So, he calls all day Sunday apologizing for upsetting her.

In the interim she calls another friend (unknown) to come and get her for a tryst to spite HD. Things go wrong and she is killed and hidden somewhere.

HD gets fed up with no return calls and drives down to Ocilla. Sees her car in the carport and knocks repeatedly and figures she is out. Calls FG to see if she knows anything and then she calls the neighbors. He still has no answers but he figures she is with someone else. Her personality regarding men seems to be well known.

Whatever the real scenario, HD could shed some light on it

[PNut]

The R - yes you do raise some good points. Also, CP, so do you - your scenario could absolutely be as plausible as any other.

What I wouldn't give for 30 minutes alone with Tara's file!!!!

[The R]

Good point. We can throw in a third possibility here too.

What if the 10:20 Saturday call by HD to Tara was breaking plans to meet up with her. She gets upset and he knows it. So, he calls all day Sunday apologizing for upsetting her.

In the interim she calls another friend (unknown) to come and get her for a tryst to spite HD. Things go wrong and she is killed and hidden somewhere.

HD gets fed up with no return calls and drives down to Ocilla. Sees her car in the carport and knocks repeatedly and figures she is out. Calls FG to see if she knows anything and then she calls the neighbors. He still has no answers but he figures she is with someone else. Her personality regarding men seems to be well known.

Whatever the real scenario, HD could shed some light on it


I like your way of thinking there CP, esp. about the phone call Saturday night. I tend to agree if might've been about broken plans/someone being stood up......maybe a "where the he#% you been?" kinda thing? It would be nice to know for sure......

R

[The R]

The R - yes you do raise some good points. Also, CP, so do you - your scenario could absolutely be as plausible as any other.

What I wouldn't give for 30 minutes alone with Tara's file!!!!

Thanks PNut...you too...if you find that file let me know!!

R

[The R]

R,

Several posters have spoken to locals and got some of the information posted here about HD and these posters are confident about their sources. Some of the information was public knowledge. But, you are correct that we know a lot less about HD than any other person close to this case. Makes me wonder why. What's so "special" about HD? JMHO

Hey Merrick....appreciate the info......

I guess the problem I have with some of the info is that it doesn't seem very credible. The info on HD could be credible but from what I've read there could be other explanations that go along with the points made. For example, the fair sighting doesn't seem as plausible to me as others, unless there's an eyewitness that saw them acting as lovers and is willing to testify in court to that fact.

Someone saw him crying at OPD....well I've cried from time-to-time (don't tell anyone else) when I felt a dear friend was gone......etc, etc...

All MO...

R

[The R]

ok...let me see if I can accurately summarize the general opinion here - note I said GENERAL! LOL

HD's claims of Tara telling him she was in danger are false, and probably his attempt to throw a friendly/brotherly light, on an affair. A platonic excuse to cover his 20+ calls to her that weekend.

Regarding the 20+ calls - we feel that 1 of 2 things was going on - #1 he was begging to meet up with her, or #2 he was calling to warn her of his wife coming to pay Tara a visit.

As for him calling Faye from Tara's house early that morning - we feel it was just another attempt at his friendly/brotherly concern alibi - yes? And the card on the front door was also just more - "see, I was here and SO concerned excuse"?

And so following all this - do we basically come down to this - the majority here feel it was either HD or his wife that was involved that night? Again, I'm saying majority! I know some here feel it might not be HD and that's cool too! I'm personally feel HD had something to do with it, and I'm trying to really analyize his behaviour that weekend.

He put himself all around Tara that weekend - phone calls, drive bys, calling family, leaving his card, being at the police station. Bad luck of a friend truly concerned - or an experienced cop who is wise to how to create a good alibi?


You may be right on the $ PNut.......I like that last question especially. An earlier poster said they think the GBI is waiting for a break and I agree....probably just a matter of time before someone's concious gets to them and they have to talk about what happened....at least I hope that will be the case.

BTW, what happened to all the "she left on her own" advocates?

R

[IrwinIndian]

They are still out there.

I think some people decided that if Tara left on her own, and they believe it to be true, there was no point in keeping up the online sleuthing to find someone who wanted to disappear for her own reasons.



BTW, what happened to all the "she left on her own" advocates?

R

[lighthousedazy]

You may be right on the $ PNut.......I like that last question especially. An earlier poster said they think the GBI is waiting for a break and I agree....probably just a matter of time before someone's concious gets to them and they have to talk about what happened....at least I hope that will be the case.

BTW, what happened to all the "she left on her own" advocates?

RBTW, what happened to all the "she left on her own" advocates?

Many of us still here just don't know. Common sense tells me she was harmed, but my heart hopes that she left, for whatever reason, though I have a hard time understanding that too. jmo

[odette]

I see your point. However I don't know what HD's thoughts were about her being endangered if anyone thought she was at all. I do know that 'endangerment' or the possibility thereof is often minimized by those that could do something to prevent an incident from occuring. LE and child protection services everywhere are constantly fighting criticism that nothing was done to aid a person/child in danger. HD may have felt there was no danger, imminently speaking. I don't really see that the fact that he drove 90miles and did 'nothing' has anything to do with implicating him. All MO.


R

HD may have felt there was no danger, imminently speaking.
Just proves to me what I've suspected all along .. IMO Tara wasn't in any prior danger and HD knew very well that she wasn't. (IIRC this was a reason given out 'back in the day' to explain why HD was visiting Tara so often :rolleyes:)

Had HD been genuinely concerned about Tara's wellbeing he would have done a whole lot more to find out if she was ok that night/morning.

JMHO

[odette]

My only question is if Tara thought that there was any reason for her to need "protection" from someone, why was HD the only person that was informed about it? Why didn't she let her family know that she was afraid? I just think that it is rather convenient that AG says that HD was at Tara's house at all hours of the night on different occasions simply b/c he felt that she was in danger of some sort. Why didn't Tara mention this to anyone why not a family member?

I just think that it is rather convenient that AG says that HD was at Tara's house at all hours of the night on different occasions simply b/c he felt that she was in danger of some sort.

From this I gather that it must have been HD who told AG about The 'Tara in danger' story. :rolleyes:

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

But what about the Harriet interview where LG claims Tara was frightened of MH???? Is there no truth to this interview? :shrug: (sorry I don't have the link to the interview handy)

LARRY HARRIET: You know, Anita was said before that Marcus Harper would yell obscenities to Tara when she was parked at a red light. Probably, verbally abusive towards her, I don't know if he was physically abusive towards her but, with your relationship with Tara through e-mailing her, talking with her, and seeing her, did she ever confide anything in you about their relationship, about something going wrong with him, anything?

LARRY GATTIS: Yes she did, before she went missing we did some e-mails back and forth where she was worried that she was getting a little afraid of him at that time...
LARRY HARRIET: Okay...

LARRY GATTIS: ... she would say that he said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities, I'd repeat some of those, but you've probably already heard some...
LARRY HARRIET: Yes...

LARRY GATTIS: ... shes confided in me, during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen and I e-mailed her back, sometime during the summer, it was before she went missing, and I was worried it would get worse with Marcus and I e-mailed her and warned her about that situation.

[concernedperson]

But what about the Harriet interview where LG claims Tara was frightened of MH???? Is there no truth to this interview? :shrug: (sorry I don't have the link to the interview handy)

LARRY HARRIET: You know, Anita was said before that Marcus Harper would yell obscenities to Tara when she was parked at a red light. Probably, verbally abusive towards her, I don't know if he was physically abusive towards her but, with your relationship with Tara through e-mailing her, talking with her, and seeing her, did she ever confide anything in you about their relationship, about something going wrong with him, anything?

LARRY GATTIS: Yes she did, before she went missing we did some e-mails back and forth where she was worried that she was getting a little afraid of him at that time...
LARRY HARRIET: Okay...

LARRY GATTIS: ... she would say that he said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities, I'd repeat some of those, but you've probably already heard some...
LARRY HARRIET: Yes...

LARRY GATTIS: ... shes confided in me, during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen and I e-mailed her back, sometime during the summer, it was before she went missing, and I was worried it would get worse with Marcus and I e-mailed her and warned her about that situation.

It doesn't appear that HD infiltrated that interview but rather LG's own assumptions or fabricatons. This is a sad case but interesting as far as all the players and their own particular modus operandi.

No wonder LE has had a hard time connecting all the dots.....the dots go on and on....just like the eveready bunny.

[Results]

I believe a poster not sure which came on here and stated that MH was over seas when this was suppose to have happened. Then it was AV that hollered names at Tara and HD at a stop light after that the same day is when he banged on Tara's door. How many people hollered names at Tara and whoever she was with at a stop light? This list is beginning to grow legs and run all over the place. JMHO

[odette]

I believe a poster not sure which came on here and stated that MH was over seas when this was suppose to have happened. Then it was AV that hollered names at Tara and HD at a stop light after that the same day is when he banged on Tara's door. How many people hollered names at Tara and whoever she was with at a stop light? This list is beginning to grow legs and run all over the place. JMHO

There were two stories going around about who was in the car with Tara when she was yelled at. One was RR and the other was HD. FWIW RR said that he was not in the car with Tara when she was yelled at. 'Back in the day' it was pretty much established that AV was the one who yelled at Tara and it was HD who was in the car with Tara at the time. IIRC it was apparently the same day when AV went around to Tara's and the 'pounding on the door' incident occured. There are/were posts everywhere regarding all of this .. page 56 through 61 of this thread has some of the discussion.

Quote:
Originally posted by luscious
Anyone who is saying that RR was in a vehicle with Tara while Marcus was yelling at her is lying, has been lied to, or is spreading false rumors. It is simply not true. I am very close to him, and he was not in the vehicle. Believe this because I know.
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=266543&page=60

JMHO

[odette]

But what about the Harriet interview where LG claims Tara was frightened of MH???? Is there no truth to this interview? :shrug: (sorry I don't have the link to the interview handy)

LARRY HARRIET: You know, Anita was said before that Marcus Harper would yell obscenities to Tara when she was parked at a red light. Probably, verbally abusive towards her, I don't know if he was physically abusive towards her but, with your relationship with Tara through e-mailing her, talking with her, and seeing her, did she ever confide anything in you about their relationship, about something going wrong with him, anything?

LARRY GATTIS: Yes she did, before she went missing we did some e-mails back and forth where she was worried that she was getting a little afraid of him at that time...
LARRY HARRIET: Okay...

LARRY GATTIS: ... she would say that he said really mean and nasty things to her, obscenities, I'd repeat some of those, but you've probably already heard some...
LARRY HARRIET: Yes...

LARRY GATTIS: ... shes confided in me, during the summer she became more concerned that something would happen and I e-mailed her back, sometime during the summer, it was before she went missing, and I was worried it would get worse with Marcus and I e-mailed her and warned her about that situation.

But what about the Harriet interview where LG claims Tara was frightened of MH???? Is there no truth to this interview? :shrug: (sorry I don't have the link to the interview handy)

FWIW The only time that I have ever heard where Tara might have been concerned, regarding MH, was because she had allegedly been reading MH private emails and she was worried about what he would think of her for doing that. Makes me wonder if these were her 'concerns' re MH when she "confided" in LG?. I notice that LG did not say what caused Tara's 'concern'. Too many 'half truths' in this case. JMHO

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11-08-2006, 05:36 PM
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Re: Emails
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Originally posted by Babes
How did Tara get a hold of MH's emails?
How did she get a hold of the email's password when MH doesnt even want to be with her?
When did she check his emails?
Where did she check his emails?
Was the emails only forwarded to her email? Then who forwarded it?

Thanks for the answers if you have any..

Actually MH did change his password, but there are ways to gather that information and she did.
There were no "bad e-mails" in his account, just ones that expressed concern, care and news from home that many recieve while away fighting a war.
TG was a jealous person and remained jealous after the break up. Any e-mail to MH by a female would have upset her. So it's a fact she did read his mail and she shouldn't, but it was only messges of concern and such from family and friends.
MH had moved on at this time and the relationship with TG was over.
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=8747839#post8747839

[odette]

Just a follow up to my above post.

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11-09-2006, 02:44 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Emails
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Originally posted by Results


I would like to ask you something that I have been wondering about. I was wondering if a family or friend told MH about the AV and HD incident on any of his E-mails. I'm thinking that if he did get an E-mail from family or friend about this incident he was done with her when he came home and that is why he did not contact her. The other thing is if his family or friend told him something else in his E-mails that she had done that made him say I'm done with her and didn't contact her when he returned home. It has been said many times that MH did not let Tara know when he got back from overseas which makes me believe that he found something out before he got to Ocilla and decided that there was no hope for them romantically. I could be way off about why he didn't contact her when he got back. If you can answer those questions TIA and if you can't I understand that too! Thank you for sharing your information that you have already given us because it sure is appreciated. JMHO


The relationship was over 6 months prior to that incident. MH was trying to maintain a friendship with TG, but this incident greatly discouraged a friendship.

MH did know about HD and it didn't concern him at the least. It wasn't his business at this point who TG was seeing. I know this as fact that it didn't bother him!

Several people informed MH of this relationship TG was having with HD and his response was always the same, "I could care less"...............

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=274906&page=37

[Brainstorm]

Thanks Odette,Results and concernedperson for your informative and thought provoking posts.At this point in time I am concerned about all the good people that had the misfortune of getting tangled up in this web of deceit.Tara deserves justice but so do the people that have been wrongly accused(IMOO) I believe Tara's own sister,bil and close "friend" HD should have very heavy hearts(MOO) consciences(?) until this is resolved.I don't know them but it is obvious to me that there have been lies and attemped cover ups coming from that camp from day one. To all those that know they did not harm Tara,may you have some peace and comfort knowing there are those of us out here who are praying and thinking of you.
Brainstorm

Just speculation and my own opinions

[One2Snoop]

One2Snoop,

I don't believe Larry Harriet's credibility as an investigative journalist has been established by anyone other than himself, IMO. I have my doubts about whether or not he actually ever spoke to or interviewed LG or AG. On his own board he posted both of these "supposed" interviews. JMHO.

O/T- Larry Harriet was posting on Natalee Holloway II as alwaysHarriet, the pervert that kept advancing the porn theory, remember him? I believe he's been banned. So much for credible journalism, JMHO.

:lol: LOL how could I forget him! I posted a few choice words of my own on the NH thread regarding his crediability. :D

I'd certainly like to see LG step up to the plate and verify whether or not he said any of this and if he did, why he said it? I won't hold my breath though.

[Results]

I was wondering about the card in the door from HD. If he left a card in the door and didn't see any glove, then how would the perpetrator get back into the house without the card falling out of the door? This is strange to me. I don't think a perpetrator would go back into a house that has a police card on the door and then drop a glove on the way out and make sure the card is put right back where it was. I think this HD needs to be taking a polygraph. His story doesn't make any sense and he is the one at the scene of the crime and drove from far away and left his wife to do it. Something very fishy here. He is a LE and would have seen the glove especially since he was looking around. Very Very fishy!

I just had to bump this post. Good points I might add! JMHO

[odette]

Hello concerned :)

Thanks for your response and comments. I flowed so well with your thoughts, especially the first para. That makes complete sense and yeah ... I follow it. The part that got me completely stumped is the last half:

If he didn't 'get the message' that Tara clearly didn't want to talk to him after placing 20 calls with no reply, then someone swapped sawdust for his brain-cells.

What would possess him to then DRIVE all the way to Tara's house and only to realise perhaps she doesn't want to talk to him ?

My view? This HD POI may have felt 'snubbed' by Tara; he could well be the type who insists on having the last say. (You must know those control freaks.) After all he was indeed brazen and sneaky enough to enter an illicit affair with this lovely woman, on top of being pretty close to the whole family.

He had to have been 'accustomed' to cruising her neck of the woods in his car - to the point her neighbors may have even recognized his vehicle (hence Mr P not wanting to invade Tara's privacy).

And I'll tell you something else: men who enter affairs (esp with beautiful women) are usually those with nothing else in mind other than lust and 'ownership'.

All of the above is mere speculation, based on previous reading and personal understanding and most certainly my own concoction of an opinion (which I'll agree is growing as the ticks and tocks move on... lol).

Nice to 'meet' you! :seeya:

Jel


My view? This HD POI may have felt 'snubbed' by Tara; he could well be the type who insists on having the last say. (You must know those control freaks.) After all he was indeed brazen and sneaky enough to enter an illicit affair with this lovely woman, on top of being pretty close to the whole family.

This makes me wonder how HD would have handled a situation where Tara may have told him she wanted to end the relationship.

JMHO

[Results]

This makes me wonder how HD would have handled a situation where Tara may have told him she wanted to end the relationship.

JMHO

I think everyone has met a control freak at least once in their life. Wait...I know imagine a control freak with a badge...deadly combination. JMHO

[BroadwayJoe]

R,

Several posters have spoken to locals and got some of the information posted here about HD and these posters are confident about their sources. Some of the information was public knowledge. But, you are correct that we know a lot less abouat HD than any other person close to this case. Makes me wonder why. What's so "special" about HD? JMHO
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This is all my own opinion, but when it comes right down to it, aren't ALL posters confident of their sources once they post information obtained from those "trusted" sources? There will be no truth or progress in this case unless and until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases. JMHO.

IMO, some of the facts speak for themselves. HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort.

Alternatively, MH, the fiercely defended Army Ranger type, now appears to have totally abandoned this coveted position in exchange for delivering UPS packages in his local area.

Tara is still missing.

JH has dropped out of sight.

The local police appear to have filed this case away, yet the GBI have not.

Key people have changed their opinions of others.

Suddenly.

Drug busts are right and left and north and south of Ocilla.

(According to my trusted source) MH continues to quietly deliver UPS packages, and once a very vocal son of a gun, is suddenly quiet.

Why?

[Results]

At one time, and I cannot find it tonight. It was stated almost as fact that the last 3 calls that Tara made were to Megan, Marie and HD. I know Megan said she was third to last. Megan said Tara went missing at 12:30. Wonder what happened to this timeline now that Dr. Darwin is saying she went missing maybe as early as 11:05 pm? Megan wrote her account soon after, I think Monday night, so it seems she would have been correct.

I think she called the dog owner she was watching the dog for so the owner has to be in there some where I would think. JMHO

[IrwinIndian]

This is all my own opinion, but when it comes right down to it, aren't ALL posters confident of their sources once they post information obtained from those "trusted" sources? There will be no truth or progress in this case unless and until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases. JMHO.

IMO, some of the facts speak for themselves. HD, the fiercely protected police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed, other than his wife leaving him, coming back, and them finding religion. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort, but who is?

Alternatively, MH, the former Army Ranger, now appears to have got out of the service and went back to school and got a job outside of law enforcement.

Tara is still missing.

Anita Gattis has dropped out of sight.

The local police appeared on television last night, yet the GBI have not.

Key people have changed their opinions of others.

Suddenly.

Check forgeries are right and left and north and south of Ocilla.

(According to my trusted source) AG, once a very vocal son of a gun, is suddenly quiet.

Why?

[Results]

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This is all my own opinion, but when it comes right down to it, aren't ALL posters confident of their sources once they post information obtained from those "trusted" sources? There will be no truth or progress in this case unless and until the unnecessary feeding of the obvious rumors ceases. JMHO.

IMO, some of the facts speak for themselves. HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort.

Alternatively, MH, the fiercely defended Army Ranger type, now appears to have totally abandoned this coveted position in exchange for delivering UPS packages in his local area.

Tara is still missing.

JH has dropped out of sight.

The local police appear to have filed this case away, yet the GBI have not.

Key people have changed their opinions of others.

Suddenly.

Drug busts are right and left and north and south of Ocilla.

(According to my trusted source) MH continues to quietly deliver UPS packages, and once a very vocal son of a gun, is suddenly quiet.

Why?

I wish I could get a job at UPS. Pay is great and benefits are awesome! Good for him. Now, what is your point? TIA

[The R]

They are still out there.

I think some people decided that if Tara left on her own, and they believe it to be true, there was no point in keeping up the online sleuthing to find someone who wanted to disappear for her own reasons.

That is possible. It is also possible that these people who thought Tara left on her own no longer think that, therefore the question.

R

[The R]

Quote:
My view? This HD POI may have felt 'snubbed' by Tara; he could well be the type who insists on having the last say. (You must know those control freaks.) After all he was indeed brazen and sneaky enough to enter an illicit affair with this lovely woman, on top of being pretty close to the whole family.




Odette,

Where'd you find this quote? Seems this poster is awful sure that HD had the affair.

I'd be the first to say that I have no idea what happened to Tara but I don't know that I'd make the connection from affair to missing person. If they had an affair does that automatically mean that he is the cause of her disappearing? Could it be they had an affair and he had nothing to do with her disappearance? Maybe some of these questions sound rhetorical, but for some reason I can't make that assumption. I do see some of BJ's points in that HD is still working and evidently isn't considered that much of a risk to others if he is allowed to work. I also recall a story by S. McGraw of Crime Library that stated HD really isn't considered a suspect.....maybe I can post a link.


R

[odette]

I would like to know that answer also odette. HD's personal and department/city vehicle should have been tested by the GBI. What I find most confusing about HD being at TG's house is HD being so concerned about her being in danger, talking with FG and etc. so anxious and then without answers..........he goes home. What did he do.........just go home and go to bed. What about TG's mom? Did she call anyone for addition assistance? This freaks the he** out of me. Let's remember this is a police officer. If he had been sincere that night he would have made additional calls of concern and in minutes the local city officers could have been there to assist him. If this had been me I would have gotten the officers to break the door......if I was so concerned. IMO This smells fishy.

IMO, I truly don't think that HD visited Tara's at 12:15 am Monday 24 October to check up on her wellbeing. As you say "If he had been sincere that night he would have made additional calls of concern and in minutes the local city officers could have been there to assist him." I have no doubt in my mind that if HD was genuinely concerned about Tara's wellbeing, he would have 'pulled out all the stops' to find out if Tara was ok!. That he didn't speaks volumes to me.

JMHO

[odette]

Quote:
My view? This HD POI may have felt 'snubbed' by Tara; he could well be the type who insists on having the last say. (You must know those control freaks.) After all he was indeed brazen and sneaky enough to enter an illicit affair with this lovely woman, on top of being pretty close to the whole family.




Odette,

Where'd you find this quote? Seems this poster is awful sure that HD had the affair.

I'd be the first to say that I have no idea what happened to Tara but I don't know that I'd make the connection from affair to missing person. If they had an affair does that automatically mean that he is the cause of her disappearing? Could it be they had an affair and he had nothing to do with her disappearance? Maybe some of these questions sound rhetorical, but for some reason I can't make that assumption. I do see some of BJ's points in that HD is still working and evidently isn't considered that much of a risk to others if he is allowed to work. I also recall a story by S. McGraw of Crime Library that stated HD really isn't considered a suspect.....maybe I can post a link.


R

Odette,

Where'd you find this quote? Seems this poster is awful sure that HD had the affair.

If you click on the arrow beside the original poster's 'name', it will take you back to the original post.

[Results]

It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!

[odette]

Here is the actual statement made by Dr Godwin regarding HD being in Tara's yard.

Released 3.19.06: Dr. Maurice Godwin has provided the following statement after his recent visit.
"Tara was attacked and abducted between 11:05 PM Sat. night and 5:00 AM Sunday morning. The perpetrator returned to Tara's home sometime Monday morning after 12:15 am and dropped the latex glove. This suggests that the perpetrator was very comfortable with being in the area and his vehicle would not stand out for being at Tara's house. HD did phone Faye Grinstead around 12:15 am Monday morning sitting in front of Tara's home and Faye in turn phoned Mrs. Portier to see if she had seen Tara."

http://www.findtara.com/



IMO

[Results]

Here is the actual statement made by Dr Godwin regarding HD being in Tara's yard.

IMO

Thanks for providing the link to that statement!

[dixinites]

Quote Broadway Joe: "JH has dropped out of sight."

WHO?

[Results]

I asked a question a few days ago asking if Perry, GA had 2 Captains of the Perry Police Department. The spokesperson apparently for the Police Department is Captin Phelps now. Also the web page listing ranks of the Perry Police Department list HD as a detective. Maybe HD is still a Captain or maybe not but I find it strange that you would have 2 Captains for one Police Department in a town that has a population of a little over 10,000. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I sure wish someone would clear this up.I sure would hate to be bashing a guy that has such a good reputation and position if its true that he's so completely innocent.
brainstorm
IMHO

[IrwinIndian]

Before "Popcorn" had his posts removed from CTV.... (and just prior to the supposed divorce between Godwin & the Gattises, IMO)....
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Originally posted by popcorn
HD was having a relationship with her.
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FWIW!

It has been stated many times that a poster Popcorn was Dr. Godwin. He posted that Tara and HD had an affair. He released that HD called FG at 12:15 AM Monday from Tara's yard by cellphone records. Now, if this is all lies then why would Dr. Godwin be invited to go to the 1st anniversary of Tara's disappearance at the bunkhouse with AG, friends, and searchers? Wouldn't AG and family plus HD be very upset that Dr. Godwin lied? So, I think it is safe to say that after all he released and was still invited to this event then apparently he hasn't lied about it. Of course JMHO as always!

[Results]

I find it very sad that a poster can come to these boards and say HD, the fiercely defended police officer, continues to work in his usual position and job. Nothing has changed. He is not on probation, he is not under any restrictions of any sort. That statement makes me so angry and here is why:

1.) HD has very young children and a beautiful wife at home waiting on him while he drives 90 miles away to Tara's house when ever he feels like it.

2.) HD 20+ calls is an over kill. If you haven't taken a hint that she don't want to talk to you then why drive 90 miles in the middle of the night thinking she will talk to you when you get there. We aren't talking about 5 calls or 10 calls we are talking over 20 calls. I don't buy the calls and I sure do not buy why he went to Tara's house.

3.) HD is the only POI that is FIERCELY DEFENDED. I am glad that this poster can now actually see what we have been raising cain about because of this protection. We apparently have made progress that they know we know that he has been protected. Thanks for acknowledging that much.

4.) HD is the one that made all the calls to Tara, went to her house, called FG from Tara's yard, allegedly cried in the OPD when no one knew what had happened to her, and comes out smelling like a rose. RED FLAG!

The problem that I see is that he is carrying a badge. How many people are going to be willing to come forward with any information when HD can make their lives miserable in Perry? Yet the AG camp screams JUSTICE FOR TARA!

Once again the subject was derailed from the topic of HD to what MH was doing. I am sure that all UPS carriers appreciate your attitude about their jobs and more then likely they make more then most people do and probably more then you. The one thing MH can say is that he wasn't married with 2 small children at home when he was dating Tara. Sure a hell of alot more than HD can say for himself.

The one thing I can honestly say is I don't know any of these people. I formed my opinion from the interviews, the information that was given, and posters that I thought were crediable and could back their statements up with documents that so far I haven't seen from the "MH guilty camp". You have not brought one thing that points to him but yet you try to convince everyone that he is guilty. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

You guys probably talked about this before I joined up so correct me if I'm wrong about this but here's my observation:HD knew all about MH and AV.
After Tara disappeared HD and probably AG(IMO) began laying groundwork for his(HD's) ALIBI.(AG aided,knowingly or unknowingly) IMO.They immediately pointed at MH, IIRC, but ALAS,they also had a back-up(just in case MH had a good alibi) being AV. Of course everyone would believe the love-sick student story.I think they really thought they could go down,spin their tales and control the situation then go home with all their secrets and lies and never be found WTH do they think they are? Thier IMAGE (IMO) seems much more important than the truth.
I don't care if he's a Dr.,Lawyer or Indian Chief(or police chief) He needs to be held responsible for his actions,lies. IMO only

[Results]

You guys probably talked about this before I joined up so correct me if I'm wrong about this but here's my observation:HD knew all about MH and AV.
After Tara disappeared HD and probably AG(IMO) began laying groundwork for his(HD's) ALIBI.(AG aided,knowingly or unknowingly) IMO.They immediately pointed at MH, IIRC, but ALAS,they also had a back-up(just in case MH had a good alibi) being AV. Of course everyone would believe the love-sick student story.I think they really thought they could go down,spin their tales and control the situation then go home with all their secrets and lies and never be found WTH do they think they are? Thier IMAGE (IMO) seems much more important than the truth.
I don't care if he's a Dr.,Lawyer or Indian Chief(or police chief) He needs to be held responsible for his actions,lies. IMO only

Pretty much sums it up. The one thing I wonder is I can't seem to make out when people started thinking she was alive...the very beginning, the middle, or when posters started to believe that MH or SF weren't involved. Not sure on that one. JMHO

[concernedperson]

Pretty much sums it up. The one thing I wonder is I can't seem to make out when people started thinking she was alive...the very beginning, the middle, or when posters started to believe that MH or SF weren't involved. Not sure on that one. JMHO

Great point and I am not sure either. It seems like greater deflection came upon us whenever this happened.

I have never thought Tara was alive after the first 12 hours of her being missing. Of course I want it to be different but this gal isn't in witness protection and it is ludicrous to think she would be. The worst she could know is a gang of theives are smuggling dope around Irwin County. Whoopdedoo. Dope is being transferred as I type. Everywhere.

We need to take this case and snuggle it around a few boundaries and expand as needed. But, not get overwhelmed with theories that don't fit.

[Brainstorm]

I asked a question a few days ago asking if Perry, GA had 2 Captains of the Perry Police Department. The spokesperson apparently for the Police Department is Captin Phelps now. Also the web page listing ranks of the Perry Police Department list HD as a detective. Maybe HD is still a Captain or maybe not but I find it strange that you would have 2 Captains for one Police Department in a town that has a population of a little over 10,000. JMHO

Results,I'm curious about this also.I don't know how LE works but I've heard things on the news-like when something happens and one of them is involved (or may be involved) they take a leave until the investigation is done.I haven't read or heard that HD is not involved or is that something we're just not privy to?

MOO-------------brainstorm

[Results]

Great point and I am not sure either. It seems like greater deflection came upon us whenever this happened.

I have never thought Tara was alive after the first 12 hours of her being missing. Of course I want it to be different but this gal isn't in witness protection and it is ludicrous to think she would be. The worst she could know is a gang of theives are smuggling dope around Irwin County. Whoopdedoo. Dope is being transferred as I type. Everywhere.

We need to take this case and snuggle it around a few boundaries and expand as needed. But, not get overwhelmed with theories that don't fit.

ITA with you! I think that is a great idea about the boundaries and expand as needed. Good job!

[odette]

I asked a question a few days ago asking if Perry, GA had 2 Captains of the Perry Police Department. The spokesperson apparently for the Police Department is Captin Phelps now. Also the web page listing ranks of the Perry Police Department list HD as a detective. Maybe HD is still a Captain or maybe not but I find it strange that you would have 2 Captains for one Police Department in a town that has a population of a little over 10,000. JMHO

Results ... that is interesting about the main spokesperson for the Perry PD appearing to be Captain Phelps now, ie when any crime is reported in the media in Perry. I recall that it was usually Captain HD who was the main spokesperson for any media interview regarding local crime in the past but now that you mention it, Captain Phelps name appears instead of HD, regarding Perry media/crime reporting now.

JMHO

[sogalady]

I wish I could get a job at UPS. Pay is great and benefits are awesome! Good for him. Now, what is your point? TIA

Results, You got that right ! I know a couple of people who have applied with UPS over the years and it is not that easy to get a position with them, as they found out by their attempts. I do remember them saying that the salary was quite nice when compared to many entry level positions of similar responsibilities with a couple of other companies. I agree with you, most people would jump at the chance, but before we congratulate MH, I think that we should verify this, as I know for a fact that not long ago this was not the case. (Keeping my fingers crossed that this is the truth, OH, How nice !)

I will check it out and let you know if he has decided to work while going back to school. I will be sure to let you know!

[Results]

Results, You got that right ! I know a couple of people who have applied with UPS over the years and it is not that easy to get a position with them, as they found out by their attempts. I do remember them saying that the salary was quite nice when compared to many entry level positions of similar responsibilities with a couple of other companies. I agree with you, most people would jump at the chance, but before we congratulate MH, I think that we should verify this, as I know for a fact that not long ago this was not the case. (Keeping my fingers crossed that this is the truth, OH, How nice !)

I will check it out and let you know if he has decided to work while going back to school. I will be sure to let you know!

Always a pleasure to see you and as always thanks for checking to see if this is true. I sure appreciate your efforts to keep the facts straight in this case. JMHO

[odette]

I find the post by barry9120 re: MH being a loser hateful and serves no purpose. Even though I am a new poster I am not new to this case. So, I am well aware of all that has been stated on the boards. We live in a hateful world and some people have no consideration. I feel and have felt MH had nothing to do with TG disappearance. Barry stated MH is a loser. MH is far from a loser! Served with the OPD as a SGT, has a college degree and is well traveled. He served with the 1/75th Bad A** Special Operations group of Army Rangers! Served our county as a private security contractor and is in good standing with this position at present. I understand he is far from unhappy these days and is certainly not "ruined" from law enforcement or anything else! I know he has no desire to serve as a police officer in the future ever. His present job is kick A** and he enjoys serving that position. Some men would only hope to do what MH has actually done. I certainly don't call this guy a loser! He is not to be compared to HD in any way! They can't be compared. HD isn't made of the stuff that MH is! Far from it! Remember: He did not want to continue a relationship with Tara even though she wanted him back. That certainly doesn't sound like she was replacing MH with a "real man", but rather a married one that came in 2nd. By the way Barry...what have you done in your life to serve society?

Merrick, This may be the post to which you are referring .. ?


JMHO

[odette]

Found this also Merrick.

Thread: Interviews w/ People Involved & Interested

11-22-2006, 11:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by InOcillaGA
I don't know about just one person but I know many of the POIs have been told by the GBI not to leave the state. So if MH was working overseas it would be kinda hard to do.


If I remember correctly, I cleared this question many posts ago. MH is in GREAT STANDING with his profession. I personally know this as FACT. This question has been answered twice now. He may leave the state or states any time and to travel to other countries. It's okay for me to share with you that MH has been out of the country in the past few months. He is also attending college to complete an additional degree.
We all know why this question was even brought up again..........anytime the focus is on a certain person......well, you know the story. Over and Out

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=8779170#post8779170

[odette]

ooops .. looks like we both quoted that post at the same time ...

Happy New Year to you as well Merrick.

[The R]

If you click on the arrow beside the original poster's 'name', it will take you back to the original post.

Hey Odette!

I tried this and there is no arrow beside/near the second quote box that talks about HD and an affair.....sorry to be trouble but would still like info there if possible.

Thanks,
R




BTW....HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!!!!:beer:

[odette]

Hey Odette!

I tried this and there is no arrow beside/near the second quote box that talks about HD and an affair.....sorry to be trouble but would still like info there if possible.

Thanks,
R

BTW....HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!!!!:beer:

The second quote box contains two sentences taken from the original quote, which I wished to address.

[Brainstorm]

Sounds to me like its possible MH has been cleared(JMHO) as a POI so he is free to live his life,do his job,whatever and this other POI and his supporters are still deparately grabbing at ANYTHING to cover themselves. I think HD is a pathetic loser (JMHO) and I feel so sorry for his wife,who by all appearances is trying to stand by her man.In my very humble opinion she's about the only one he still continues to FOOL !!!

PLESE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!

brainstorm

[dixinites]

before we congratulate MH, I think that we should verify this, as I know for a fact that not long ago this was not the case. (Keeping my fingers crossed that this is the truth, OH, How nice !)

I will check it out and let you know if he has decided to work while going back to school. I will be sure to let you know!

Just curious...what relevence does MH working or not working for UPS have to do with Tara's case?