The Men in this Case: Discusssion [Archive] - Page 7

Its just me

10-14-2006, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson

I have been thinking about the wording in the article "a policeman from a neighboring community". Surrounding counties are Ben Hill, Turner, Tift, Berrien and one more (can't remember it)and was wondering if Tara was seeing a policeman from one of those counties.

Not giving anyone a free pass but Perry isn't a neighboring community. Maybe I am taking the wording literally.

What do ya'll think?

cp..I guestioned the "neighboring" community because my world is probably much smaller than some. When I saw what Lindsey posted which she explained she used the wording of a news article the "neighborig" caught by eye and I questioned this. After reading what Results posted. I can not say a police officer from a neighboring town or community is not HD. Perry may very well be considered a neighboring community or town by people. At least the author of the article talking about HD considers Perry to be a neighboring community.

Quote from Results......I connected that it was HD because the first article said a LE from a neighboring community picked her up at school and then in this article he is talking about HD as a neighboring community. This is where I got HD picked her up from the very beginning.

After the post that said Tara told others it was HD that picked her up I am going to stay with HD as my # 1 pick until futher details come out. And they very well can.

simply quiet

10-14-2006, 05:59 PM

Maybe Freshwater can tap Seamus on the shoulder and ask him to come to the peanut gallery coz we have a question.

Worth a try?

simply quiet

10-14-2006, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet
Maybe Freshwater can tap Seamus on the shoulder and ask him to come to the peanut gallery coz we have a question.

Worth a try?

I sent a PM to FW maybe we can get some answers.

Have a good nite everyone.....:seeya:

simply quiet

10-14-2006, 10:42 PM

Here is FW's response.

I guess we have to ask Seamus ourselves.

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Re: Seamus from CL
I'll pass it along. Seamus can be reached at the e-mail address at the end of each article he writes in the library.

simply quiet wrote on 10-14-2006 07:07 PM:
Hi FW.

On the "Tara's ex boyfriend thread" page four.....there seems to be some questions regarding the CL articles written by Seamus. The questions revolve around Heath ****s.

Does Seamus ever come to the boards? What is the best way to ask him for some clearifications?

I think if you read the last page of that thread you will see what I mean.

TY and hope you are having a great weekend.

Its just me

10-14-2006, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet
Here is FW's response.

I guess we have to ask Seamus ourselves.

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Registered: May 2006
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Re: Seamus from CL
I'll pass it along. Seamus can be reached at the e-mail address at the end of each article he writes in the library.

SQ if you are not planning on contacting Seamus let us know. I appreciate you contacting FW and I appreciate FW responding.
Thanks SQ

simply quiet

10-14-2006, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

SQ if you are not planning on contacting Seamus let us know. I appreciate you contacting FW and I appreciate FW responding.
Thanks SQ

Ohh one of us has to contact him for sure....let me know what you want to do my friend.

Its just me

10-15-2006, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Results

Thank you sweettater. I believe it was HD too. I just don't know why HD would tell CL in a interview he hadn't seen her in weeks when this incident happened on the 18th of Oct. JMHO

Well I'm the one who started this mess and I'm the one that is going to end it....Thanks to a little help from a good friend. Thank you good friend. If any has a problem that it up with Seamus McGraw at Crime Library..Results I should have taken your word and went with my memory to begin with.

READ...READ...READ. HD PICKS UP TARA

Tara Grinstead on Emotional Roller Coaster
(Continued) By Seamus McGrawadvertisement
OCILLA, GA (Crime Library) — A clearer picture has emerged in recent days of Tara Grinstead's state of mind. According to several sources, the young woman had been on "an emotional roller coaster" following the break up of her six-year relationship with Harper, a former police officer who joined the Army Rangers after 9-11 and later became an independent contractor working in Iraq.Several sources familiar with Grinstead's personal life said though the couple bickered frequently toward the end of their courtship, Grinstead, who had long hoped that she and Harper would marry, remained deeply in love with him. "I do believe she still had feelings for Marcus," said one source who discussed the relationship with Grinstead several times before her disappearance, "but she saw that it was going nowhere." Others close to Tara Grinstead say she may have harbored hopes that they would reunite.In fact, in mid-October, one friend said, Grinstead had made efforts to reconnect with Harper, and when he resisted, she became so overwrought that she took a long drive and had to pull over and call for assistance to get home. The next day, uncharacteristically, she called in sick to school. A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacherWhat's more, Grinstead was under additional pressure as she struggled to complete a round of studies so she could begin the process of obtaining her doctorate in education.Grinstead was last seen on the night of Oct. 22, which was the night of the annual Sweet Potato Festival and beauty pageant that Grinstead had attended. According to authorities, Grinstead left the pageant and went to have dinner at the home of the former local school superintendent and his family. She was last seen around 11 p.m.She was reported missing Monday morning when she failed to turn up at school. Police responded to her home and found little out of place. The clothes she wore that night were found in the home, as was her cellular phone, which according to sources familiar with her habits, she never left behind. Authorities still don't know whether it is significant, but a clock had fallen to the floor and broken, and one of the meticulous young woman's lampshades was askew.But friends and others close to her say that despite the pressure there is little chance that she simply ran away of her own accord. Describing the 30-year-old as a "grounded, Christian woman," they say it is unthinkable that she would have simply walked away from her life, from her students who idolized her, and her family without a word. Furthermore, they note that nothing in her behavior in the days leading up to her disappearance indicated that she might be planning an escape. Just days before she vanished, a neighbor told the Crime Library, she purchased a significant amount of groceries. Known to be deeply devoted to her dog, Grinstead made no arrangements for its care, one person familiar with the probe said.Equally disturbing is the fact that when Grinstead vanished, she left behind her car
Tara's car
which she uncharacteristically left unlocked as well as a significant amount of cash and all the clothes she owned except for what was on her back. Without a car and with little cash, friends note, it is unlikely that Grinstead could have made it far. There is no easy access to public transportation, and it would have been difficult for Grinstead, who was well-known in the tiny rural Georgia community, to have slipped out of town unnoticed.Still, investigators and volunteers continue to search the area for any sign of Grinstead. A reward for information about her whereabouts has reached $80,000 and is reportedly growing, and the community is rallying around her family. Later today, for example, cheerleaders in her hometown of Hawkinsville have scheduled a march to call attention to her case, and a moment of silent prayer is scheduled outside Taylor Regional Hospital, where one of her relatives practices medicine.But privately, even those closest to Grinstead admit they are starting to lose hope that she will return home safely."I can't fathom that she would leave under those circumstances," said one person who had frequent heart-to-heart talks with Grinstead. "I can't see any possibility of that. I think they're just going to find her buried somewhere."Previous PageTara Grinstead Publicity Mixed BlessingTara Grinstead's State of MindSearch for Tara Grinstead Involves Entire CommunityBeauty Queen & Teacher Tara Grinstead Goes MissingReturn to full coveragePhoto GalleryContact Seamus McGraw atseamusm@ptd.net
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concernedperson

10-15-2006, 07:11 AM

Thanks IJM for clarification. After so many months we forget what we read and tend to speculate on info we already know.

Now that Heath picking up Tara is clear...I wonder why he was off in the middle of the day and why she was available then too. It just seems odd for 2 responsible people to take off in the middle of a workday. Unless that was the only available time he had and she had to accomodate. Don't know just more questions.

Its just me

10-15-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by concernedperson
Thanks IJM for clarification. After so many months we forget what we read and tend to speculate on info we already know.

Now that Heath picking up Tara is clear...I wonder why he was off in the middle of the day and why she was available then too. It just seems odd for 2 responsible people to take off in the middle of a workday. Unless that was the only available time he had and she had to accomodate. Don't know just more questions.

I agree cp just more question about 2 people and one is not here to answer.

butterbean

10-15-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by sweettater
I was told by co-workers of Tara's that they did not see who she left with; however, Tara had TOLD them afterwards that she had left with HD. They had no reason to not believe her.

Did the co-workers tell you the date of when this happened? Could you find out exactly when it happened?

butterbean

10-15-2006, 05:45 PM

simply quiet

10-15-2006, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by butterbean

Why do you think this happened on Oct 18?

Why do you question? Do you toy with the idea that it happened on another date?

Ohhh BTW...newbie or nicswitcher....welcome to the Tara Grinstead forum.

butterbean

10-15-2006, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet

Why do you question? Do you toy with the idea that it happened on another date?

Ohhh BTW...newbie or nicswitcher....welcome to the Tara Grinstead forum.

I have never seen a definitive date in print. I thought there maybe an article I had missed on the subject. Sweettater's post did not give a date. I was wondering if there maybe two or more days Tara left early. If she left one day with one person and then left another time with HD it could explain the confusion. If she did leave on the 18th with HD then he is contradicted in the Crime Library article. However if it was earlier in October or September that she left with HD, then the possibility remains that the person on the 18th was not HD and the Crime Library article is wrong.

BroadwayJoe

10-15-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet

Why do you question? Do you toy with the idea that it happened on another date?

Ohhh BTW...newbie or nicswitcher....welcome to the Tara Grinstead forum.

SQ, why such a hostile reply? BB seems to be just asking a question. Maybe BB has info that needs sharing, or wants to clear up something in his/her own mind? It's not right to disregard every single thing that doesn't jive with your notes. Chill.

simply quiet

10-15-2006, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

SQ, why such a hostile reply? BB seems to be just asking a question. Maybe BB has info that needs sharing, or wants to clear up something in his/her own mind? It's not right to disregard every single thing that doesn't jive with your notes. Chill.

Oh Ok BJ.......lets see what develops here.
Sorry you thought I was being hostil. I am a very gentle person

Lets see what BB has, Maybe BB can open this case right up.

simply quiet

10-15-2006, 09:08 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freshwater
[B]FYI it is against the rules to post PMs on the board - that said ....

I spoke with Seamus last night and he IS willing to discuss/clarify but it will have to wait til Mon since he is working on other things and has deadlines. I expect to hear back from him tomorrow and when I do I'll let you all know. Didn't mean to imply that it was up to a poster to contact him. Simply providing info that is available for all CL writers:)

Freshwater see ya soon.........ty

concernedperson

10-15-2006, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Freshwater
FYI it is against the rules to post PMs on the board - that said ....

I spoke with Seamus last night and he IS willing to discuss/clarify but it will have to wait til Mon since he is working on other things and has deadlines. I expect to hear back from him tomorrow and when I do I'll let you all know. Didn't mean to imply that it was up to a poster to contact him. Simply providing info that is available for all CL writers:)

Freshwater

:seeya: :)

Thanks FW, any additional info is appreciated. A timeline for all reported/believed to be true stories is what this case needs now. Clarfication on other points and nothing muddy. Tara's case is so solvable in my mind but we are missing a piece.

I have two scenarios that play over and over. Nothing I feel would solve this case today but I won't give up. Something is out there that we are missing.

BroadwayJoe

10-15-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet

Oh Ok BJ.......lets see what develops here.
Sorry you thought I was being hostil. I am a very gentle person

Lets see what BB has, Maybe BB can open this case right up.

I didn't say BB could open the case right up. IMO, BB was asking a question and just needed an answer instead of a vague insult, which seems to be SOP around here for some reason. I've never heard that a date was in question, but if it is, we'd all appreciate knowing about it IMO.

Its just me

10-15-2006, 11:51 PM

I know I am interested in any new information or any thing questioned that can help with this case. Lets move forward I know you SQ and BJ both welcome any new or questionable information.

SQ I appreciate you making contacts to help us clear us information written in the CL articles.

Hoping BB will share any information on another date if it's not the 18th.

readmylips

10-17-2006, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

Bumping this up because I think there may be a man we have missed.

Awhile back it was posted that a perp may become closely involved in a missing persons case just to keep tabs on what's going on. Sometimes to the point of insinuating themselves into the private lives of the family, friends, etc. The "profile" of the man or men has always remained the same to my knowledge, and even the alleged witness in the black truck incident stated the man seen was late twenties early thirties, etc. There was a poster on this board that fit that description and has even infiltrated the various websites devoted to Tara and gained the confidence of many. This bothers me a great deal to think that maybe, just maybe, if Tara was harmed, the guy could be right under our noses and we don't even know it. I would hope that everyone here is very careful as to who they talk to and who they share sensitive information with. It doesn't matter if they are a professional person, or hold a college degree or not. I've studied a lot of people and one keeps coming up as one that is just a little TOO interested in this case. This is all my opinion and not meant to offend or point out the person or post his name. It's just something we should ALL think about. If you feel the need to attack or be sarcastic, please know that I won't respond to anything meant to derail. And before you think it or post it, I am NOT talking about the Marine Corps guy. Above post is entirely IMOO.

dont you think it is a wee bit useless to post a warning but not tell what the warning really is? thats kind of like saying something on that food buffet will give you ecoli but i am not going to tell you what. good luck with your meal.

if you cant spell it out then you shouldn't even say something like that imo. sounds alot like mcmahans wild claims to brian about being threatened, run off the road, etc, etc. more "be scared, be very scared" stuff? scared of what?

the only person who did come to mind is the person you claim you arent talking about. anyone else understand what jaded is trying to say?

Its just me

10-17-2006, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by readmylips

dont you think it is a wee bit useless to post a warning but not tell what the warning really is? thats kind of like saying something on that food buffet will give you ecoli but i am not going to tell you what. good luck with your meal.

if you cant spell it out then you shouldn't even say something like that imo. sounds alot like mcmahans wild claims to brian about being threatened, run off the road, etc, etc. more "be scared, be very scared" stuff? scared of what?

the only person who did come to mind is the person you claim you arent talking about. anyone else understand what jaded is trying to say?

I can honestly say I don't understand. My interest today is staying with MM and the person who have been the most vocal in this case but refused to make a comment in the news article. All this has got my head spinning.

Its just me

10-17-2006, 01:40 PM

Thank you Freshwater for sharing this and Thank You Seamus for responding to this request.
I for one completely understand Seamus's position. But without more answers, which I know I will not get, I can not delete this person out of my opinion as possibilities. (All avenues are wide open in my opinions) For his sake I hope he was only a friend trying to help. And if this is the case I have a heart full of sympathy for him.

Results

10-17-2006, 02:00 PM

IF I read this post right...there is NO POI! You can say MH, AV, and whoever else but not an officer who was helping a "visibly troubled woman"...what does that mean? I'm sorry and I know that I am nobody but I don't get the answer to the questions that we were looking for and that is my opinion. I am more baffled by your response then anything I ever read on this case. JMHO
Please just over look me was not trying to be rude to you and there is certainly no need to respond to me...I know your busy.

PNut

10-17-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by readmylips

dont you think it is a wee bit useless to post a warning but not tell what the warning really is? thats kind of like saying something on that food buffet will give you ecoli but i am not going to tell you what. good luck with your meal.

if you cant spell it out then you shouldn't even say something like that imo. sounds alot like mcmahans wild claims to brian about being threatened, run off the road, etc, etc. more "be scared, be very scared" stuff? scared of what?

the only person who did come to mind is the person you claim you arent talking about. anyone else understand what jaded is trying to say?

:shrug: Who the hell knows?? It's a cryptic secret society we're dealing with here.:no:

PNut

10-17-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

Again.... "And before you think it or post it, I am NOT talking about the Marine Corps guy."

So WHO are you talking about Jaded? Just say it.:rolleyes:

readmylips

10-17-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

Again.... "And before you think it or post it, I am NOT talking about the Marine Corps guy."

again.... if you cant say it, dont say it. a vague warning is worse than no warning at all and unless you have something with some substance to it you should just keep your musing to yourself imo. there are a lot of people that i have my own private thoughts about but i dont share it because i dont have any founding for it. if the day comes that i have founding i will share and i will share specifics.

my advice is that you do the same. no offense intended but your post didnt give any kind of valuable information. i havent seen anyone yet say that it made any sense or had any value in the situation. if you have a valid point to make then please do.

PNut

10-17-2006, 02:52 PM

JADED!! You managed to completely IGNORE my sincere question - WHO are you referring to in your "warning"?!?!?

readmylips

10-17-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

Bumping back up to get back on topic.

If you truly care about Tara, read it again with an open mind. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but doesn't every avenue need to be explored?

the problem with your information is that it is designed to inspire paranoia and it has no substamce. nothing with any kind of real direction. you could be referring to any number of people. ooooohhhhh the mystery. its a ploy that is used often by a few people to redirect conversation or feel important. i dont know for sure. you will get a lot further by giving information that can be digested with intelligence. you are asking for blind trust and trying to set things up for lots of speculation with no basis.

what do you propose the posters here do with your information?

should we line up every poster who is male and subject them to a ldt?

or maybe we should just stop talking to each other completely because who knows who is really male and who isnt!

shall we play 20 questions and see if we can figure out who you are talking about?

if you feel strong enough to make a public statement that you think there is one among us who is a poi then you need to be ready to say who that someone is. otherwise it was better kept to yourself.

what you have done is unethical and immature imo. you have an opportunity to right it by providing more information or contact freshwater and tell her you have changed your mind and since you cant back up your words with facts it should be removed. i thought the days of feeding paranoia were over. :(

if you have something real to say then i am listening. with open ears. eager, willing and ready to hear it. probably a lot of others are too.

readmylips

10-17-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by PNut
JADED!! You managed to completely IGNORE my sincere question - WHO are you referring to in your "warning"?!?!?

readmylips

10-17-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

I think the fact he could be posting on this board narrows it down quite a bit and makes it a valid point. There are a certain few of you who are highly upset by this. Why?

ok i will play.

posting on this board: does that mean this thread?

i guess that is number 1 of my 20.

readmylips

10-17-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

Did you read this portion of my post? "I've studied a lot of people and one keeps coming up as one that is just a little TOO interested in this case. This is all my opinion and not meant to offend or point out the person or post his name..."

then once again, if you cant offer any information then dont say anything at all. call the gbi if you are that worried about this person you cant talk about but felt the need to start some speculation over.

paranoia breeders are not well received. no offense intended.

PNut

10-17-2006, 03:07 PM

PNut

10-17-2006, 03:37 PM

Is this like the benhill person that told us an arrest was going to take place in 7 days?!?!?!? Back in AUGUST. :eek:

readmylips

10-17-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
Pnut, the post was simply meant to make people AWARE that this could happen, and COULD have happened, and to encourage people to NOT share sensitive information with another poster UNLESS THEY KNOW THE PERSON WELL ENOUGH TO DO SO. This advice is no different than look both ways before you cross the street. Please FORGET I ever said anything because you people wouldn't know a killer if he walked up and introduced himself as such.

Just as I thought, a few came in and attempted to make it into a circus that it was not meant to be.
:no:

say it or dont say it. if you are that worried about it then call the gbi. their phone number is 478-985-4545

dont be mad because no one wants to play the paranoia game. dont go away mad. if you have something to share then share it. with us or with the gbi or both if you want to.

readmylips

10-17-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

You said something funny (and I can't tell you WHY right now) and I laughed.

will you be able to tell us on the 10th? or the 1st? or maybe the 31st?

what ever did happen to the link to the google stuff on mark and ancient? i almost did forget about that! thanks ii for reminding me.

see, your credibility here hasnt even come close to being estableshed enough for you to throw some vague accusation out with nothing to bite in to. work on developing credibility, offer some good solid verifiable, intelligently presented information and then come back and maybe we will play 20 questions with you.

:beer:

PNut

10-17-2006, 04:08 PM

oh oho ohh!! Can I play??!?!

Is it bigger than a bread box????

:D

PNut

10-17-2006, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
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Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Oh..... a threat! It took you a while, but you got there! LOL

Please, please... tell us now! Don't make us wait! Please!!

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LOLOL
Stop with the harassment Irwin. It's very unbecoming. You said something funny (and I can't tell you WHY right now) and I laughed. Wow, what a threat. Are you that desperate for attention? Any real threat should be reported to GBI, so I encourage you strongly if you are truly serious.

Try again. Wrong tree.

I'm putting you on *ignore*.

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Maybe he didn't hear me?

Maybe not, maybe because HE has YOU on ignore?
:shrug:

readmylips

10-17-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Jaded
I'm putting you on *ignore*.

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Maybe he didn't hear me?
:shrug:

you think that message was provided just personally for you or something?
:lol:

thats how the system lists a post for anyone you put on ignore. i dont think there is an option to ignore the ignore message. :rolleyes:

readmylips

10-17-2006, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Jaded

Sorry, I can't tell you either. You haven't yet established your credibility with me. But it was very funny, trust me.

I'll leave you all to your playground now, while I go do some real work. Play nice and don't hurt each other with sticks and stones.
:seeya:

P.S. Sogalady, be careful what you say to me in a PM. I took it as a threat and will report it as such. TIA.

i bet it was. those inside jokes are always hilarious. i know a few myself and they just tickle me pink.

run along now. when you have something you can really share come on back. we need all the good information we can get.

:chicken:

PNut

10-17-2006, 04:21 PM

You know, my feelings are hurt. Jaded is getting threatened supposedly and getting pm's and NO ONE ever pm's me!!:( I'm not feelin' the love. Maybe that's just because Jaded went to do "real work".

readmylips

10-17-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by readmylips

say it or dont say it. if you are that worried about it then call the gbi. their phone number is 478-985-4545

just in case you missed that phone number.

readmylips

10-17-2006, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by PNut
You know, my feelings are hurt. Jaded is getting threatened supposedly and getting pm's and NO ONE ever pm's me!!:( I'm not feelin' the love. Maybe that's just because Jaded went to do "real work".

i will see if i can work a hateful pm in to you in my busy schedule. i cant promise you anything though. i have a lot of real work to do.

:seeya:

gagal

10-17-2006, 05:31 PM

I got your back II!

Its just me

10-17-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Results
IF I read this post right...there is NO POI! You can say MH, AV, and whoever else but not an officer who was helping a "visibly troubled woman"...what does that mean? I'm sorry and I know that I am nobody but I don't get the answer to the questions that we were looking for and that is my opinion. I am more baffled by your response then anything I ever read on this case. JMHO
Please just over look me was not trying to be rude to you and there is certainly no need to respond to me...I know your busy.

Quote from Seamus: This much I can say, there has to date been no suggestion by any reliable source that I'm aware of to suggest that the police officer in question did anything wrong. My reporting thus far has indicated that he had a deep concern for a visibly troubled young woman, a young woman with whom he had been very close, and that he tried to help.

Anything beyond that is gossip, not investigation.

Thanks Seamus!!

In MHOO only the following is not gossip. And looking at this case I can not over look the following. If this is wrong information Dr. Godwin needs to come forward and get it straight because he is the person that made this public knowledge. Please tell me if I am wrong if a case like this I think the last people in contact with Tara should be looked at very close. It is what it is unless Dr. Godwin is willing to contridict his published information.

1. HD was last person to speak with Tara on her cell phone Sat. night approx 10:20 - 10:30 PM. (not a quote)
2. HD made several phone calls to Tara on Sunday. (I am adding the information that he said. "I'm sorry". I'm asking sorry for what.
3. HD was sitting in Tara's yard at 12:15 am Monday morning.
4. My information rumor truth I do not know. HD showed up in Ocilla Monday crying.
5. In all the interviews FG or AG has never mentioned HD. My information but if this is not true I have missed reading it.
6. Misinformation told to the news media if HD did in fact pick Tara up at school on Oct. 18th. (not sure who picked Tara up but it was published in CL article that he did. So who is telling the truth. Did he or Didn't he. If he did HD told a big ole story in MHOO.

There may be no evidence to prove he did anything but there is as much public information that makes me think He has just as much possibility being a # 1 suspect as anyone else. The only person publically named as being at Tara's house raises a red flag in my mind which I know is not much but I am intitled to my opinion. And as always this is only my humble opinion.

Results

10-18-2006, 09:23 AM

Released 3.22.06: Dr. Godwin has shared the following additional information:
The abduction of Tara was not a spontaneous or opportunistic crime but rather one that was well thought out even to the point of stalking her prior to the attack. It’s likely that the perpetrator pre-selected the disposal site and monitored the house for several days after the abduction to see if Tara’s disappearance had been reported to law enforcement.

If this is correct then this would point to HD. He was there Sunday night and it is rumored he was there Saturday as well. I'm already convinced that he was not telling the turth in his interview about not seeing her in weeks. JMHO

Its just me

10-18-2006, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Results
Released 3.22.06: Dr. Godwin has shared the following additional information:
The abduction of Tara was not a spontaneous or opportunistic crime but rather one that was well thought out even to the point of stalking her prior to the attack. It’s likely that the perpetrator pre-selected the disposal site and monitored the house for several days after the abduction to see if Tara’s disappearance had been reported to law enforcement.

If this is correct then this would point to HD. He was there Sunday night and it is rumored he was there Saturday as well. I'm already convinced that he was not telling the turth in his interview about not seeing her in weeks. JMHO

I agree and I don't think HD can be over looked as possibilities of being involved someway.
Seamus identified HD pretty close as being the person who picked Tara up from school in one of his articles that is posted on this board. HD tells a diferent story in interview.
There is an untruth somewhere. But in MHOO is was HD that picked up Tara so I have to ask why. JMHO

Results

10-18-2006, 10:12 AM

Thanks FW for reopening the thread. There are some interesting post in this thread that I wanted to address. Thanks again.

AV = Studen that Tara taught

HD = Captain from Perry

LG = Tara's BIL

MH = Exboyfriend of 6 years

JP = Tara's neighbor

RR = Exboyfriend she been recently dating...not sure

These are the ones that I know have been discussed. Another poster probably can do a much better job then me.

JMO

Results

10-18-2006, 10:24 AM

I wanted to respond to a post on Page 9 but apparently the poster has been banned and I can't quote and ask questions. What I can tell you is after almost a year searching for Tara there are post on Page 9 from IIRC jena72 and general lee. Those post are interesting for anyone that wishes to read them. JMHO

Results

10-18-2006, 10:31 AM

Jaded

10-18-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Results
I wanted to respond to a post on Page 9 but apparently the poster has been banned and I can't quote and ask questions. What I can tell you is after almost a year searching for Tara there are post on Page 9 from IIRC jena72 and general lee. Those post are interesting for anyone that wishes to read them. JMHO
Results, I didn't see any posts from the ones you mentioned but did see some from "llisa". Could those be the ones?

Results

10-18-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Jaded

Results, I didn't see any posts from the ones you mentioned but did see some from "llisa". Could those be the ones?

The nics are jela72 and general lee. Their post is quoted by babes and NancyNC. Jela72 and general lee's original post are not there I can only read what they said by Babes and NancyNc and other posters quoting them. That is why I can't respond to them. I have it on page 9 by these posters. I'm not sure if I can copy and paste them post since they were banned. I can't help in the quest to find Tara if I am banned. So, I try to be real careful. JMHO

Its just me

10-18-2006, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Results

The nics are jela72 and general lee. Their post is quoted by babes and NancyNC. Jela72 and general lee's original post are not there I can only read what they said by Babes and NancyNc and other posters quoting them. That is why I can't respond to them. I have it on page 9 by these posters. I'm not sure if I can copy and paste them post since they were banned. I can't help in the quest to find Tara if I am banned. So, I try to be real careful. JMHO

Results I have been searching for these post on the board and I think they have been dropped back to page 5 probably because of deleted post. You probably are going by what you printed. Any one interested look on page 5 of this thread. I agree it is interesting.

Jaded

10-18-2006, 12:20 PM

odette

10-18-2006, 05:17 PM

concernedperson

10-18-2006, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

I agree and I don't think HD can be over looked as possibilities of being involved someway.
Seamus identified HD pretty close as being the person who picked Tara up from school in one of his articles that is posted on this board. HD tells a diferent story in interview.
There is an untruth somewhere. But in MHOO is was HD that picked up Tara so I have to ask why. JMHO

I have been mulling this over and I believe it is ****s who picked up Tara at school. The reasons could be an obsessive relationship that was illicit and the fact that Harper had returned. Could be that Tara's attention turned to her returning former lover and ****s was jealous.

Maybe he created a scenario where she had to respond to him and immediately meet with him. Just to calm the waters, so to speak.

I think all of Saturday's calls were related to this jealously and control issues. Sunday's calls are ambiguous....could be innocent and a continuation of Saturday's calls or could be setting a stage. The snooping around at 12:15 a.m. Monday the same. See who saw what or knows anything or jealously looking for another lover in Tara's arms.

Not any clearer, I know, but looking at different scenarios.

Lying about your whereabouts is another red flag. Or it could be for his marriage and not the fact that he had anything to do with Tara's disappearance.

This case is so troubling.

mtpockets

10-18-2006, 07:10 PM

This statement that Harper made on Dateline as always bothered me. I wonder if he knew of Tara having a relationship outside of Ocilla. Maybe it was a dig towards Tara in reference to HD.
If those in Ocilla aren't conneted family wise then then they are friends or fellow LE. Just thought I would toss this out there.

Harper: She wanted me back and all. And I said, "I’ve started shopping outside of Ocilla, I think you need to do the same. Everybody in this town is connected to us one way or another."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12583446/

myspace

10-18-2006, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by mtpockets
This statement that Harper made on Dateline as always bothered me. I wonder if he knew of Tara having a relationship outside of Ocilla. Maybe it was a dig towards Tara in reference to HD.
If those in Ocilla aren't conneted family wise then then they are friends or fellow LE. Just thought I would toss this out there.

That WOULD make sense in a normal situation, but this is anything but normal. MH was known to date cousins, half sisters, etc. in the past. I don't think he killed Tara but I do think his statement is weird.

IrwinIndian

10-18-2006, 10:29 PM

Has the PM been sent to Freshwater yet?

Oh yeah. GIBBERISH.

Originally posted by myspace

That WOULD make sense in a normal situation, but this is anything but normal. MH was known to date cousins, half sisters, etc. in the past. I don't think he killed Tara but I do think his statement is weird.

Gooch

10-18-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by myspace

That WOULD make sense in a normal situation, but this is anything but normal. MH was known to date cousins, half sisters, etc. in the past. I don't think he killed Tara but I do think his statement is weird.

Lindsey

10-18-2006, 10:35 PM

hypnotized

10-18-2006, 10:42 PM

GIBBERISH!

Its just me

10-18-2006, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

MH doesn't have any half sisters. It's all GIBBERISH.

Thanks Lindsey. My mind, eyes and ears are closed on this one.

I agree it's all GIBBERISH AND HOGWASH.

TuscanDreams

10-19-2006, 07:12 AM

Harper didn't commit this crime. I don't buy it for a second- I work in LE and trust this: No one is harder on a wayward LE officer than other LE officers. We DO NOT Want them in our midst, it makes us all look bad.

Trust this one- if Harper did something, he'd have already been found out.

Results

10-20-2006, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
Harper didn't commit this crime. I don't buy it for a second- I work in LE and trust this: No one is harder on a wayward LE officer than other LE officers. We DO NOT Want them in our midst, it makes us all look bad.

Trust this one- if Harper did something, he'd have already been found out.

I don't believe he did it either. I do want your opinion on somehting if you don't mind....HD's actions are so weird plus nobody believes he could have done it either but he is there at Tara's house. He says in an interview that he hadn't seen her in weeks when he had. What about the GBI in Perry handling a case in the same town where a Captain is connected to Tara? Is this normal? Do LE even consider if it could be him because he is such a "good person"? How can we possibly get pass HD when he is the one at Tara's in the middle of the night and doesn't tell the truth in the one interview he did give? Why tell a story of they have been bestfriends since childhood when there is a 5 years difference and the people in Hawkinsville says it is not so? JMHO

gagal

10-20-2006, 10:14 AM

:shrug: I'm with you results! He is one big ? in my mind. I just cant figure out why he & FG were so desperately looking for TG in the first place!! What happened? What was said by TG in the past that caused this uproar??? Any thoughts?

gagal

10-20-2006, 10:17 AM

What kinda "cop" vehicle does he drive? He was standing next to a black truck in a photo in a newspaper article. could he be the "black truck guy" seen earlier at TARAs? I read he drove (personal car) a car that was very similiar to Taras. One of the guys at the SO in our town drives a 4 X 4 truck as his work vehicle, so its possible that HD has one. ???????:shrug:

Results

10-20-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Babes

Ok let's replace my Saturday night with Sunday night.
But you are right i got mixed up LOL

Maybe HD called Faye thinking that Tara went to Faye's house because Tara is supposed to go there Sunday.

Maybe he thought Tara got sick maybe that's why she stayed longer on her mom's house ?

I want to address this post. Tara was not suppose to go to Faye's house Sunday. She had already told FG that more than likely she would be too tired from Saturday and she had to study for school and she had to grade papers. IF Tara had went to FG's house and got sick and stayed longer at her Moms....her car would not have been at home. I'm interested in why the neighbors were called to see if anything looked out of place when HD was there at Tara's house. That does not make any sense at all. Only HD knows why he made that call but I'm not buying why he called FG. JMHO

Results

10-20-2006, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by gagal
:shrug: I'm with you results! He is one big ? in my mind. I just cant figure out why he & FG were so desperately looking for TG in the first place!! What happened? What was said by TG in the past that caused this uproar??? Any thoughts?

I don't think FG was alarmed until HD called her. Why call the neighbors though when HD is in Tara's yard? Makes no sense at all. I don't think anyone at this time was worried until HD made it a issue at 12:15 AM Monday. I am not buying any of this. IMOO HD, AG, LG have attracted attention after the disapperance by their actions. IMOO those three know something. JMHO

Results

10-20-2006, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Babes

I would think that if an experienced LE like HD is responsible for this then he would not put himself on the location where Tara went missing. He should know better and ived read that he's really a good LE that's why he was promoted as a captain.

Plus remember he is married. How many married people wake up the neighbor because their friend or girlffriend isnt answering the door and her cellphone on a Saturday night? How many of them called LE right away ? Plus if Faye said she will be meeting Tara on Sunday then maybe HD thought Tara already went to Faye's house so he called Faye right away.

How many people even think that Tara is in real danger when they saw or talk to her with no problem at all at the pageant?

That is the one thing HD was banking on.....why would he put hisself there if HE is the PERP? It was a good move on his part to make that call. To me IF they had not called the neighbor I might have bought it myself. Here is how I see it...HD calls FG to check on Tara, FG calls JP, and I believe that FG called HD back or vise versa to see what the P's said....IMO three phone calls made in the middle of the night and no actions were taken. FG...not sure actually what she did after she talked to the P's. HD apparently went home without no answers after he called FG (I'm not sure he went home and I am almost positive that he went to Hawkinsville in the AM Monday) The P's get a phone call in the middle of the night to ask about Tara...wonder what he was thinking after that phone call to him...apparently he goes back to bed. So, you have to ask yourself OK they are sooooooooo worried but not one person did anything therefore I don't buy the reason for HD's phone call. JMHO

gagal

10-20-2006, 11:28 AM

I agree... I still find it funny that HD was even at her house looking for her????? She hadnt been reported missing yet? Why the panic?? What caused HD and others to try and contact TARA in the middle of the night?

readmylips

10-20-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Results

That is the one thing HD was banking on.....why would he put hisself there if HE is the PERP? It was a good move on his part to make that call. To me IF they had not called the neighbor I might have bought it myself. Here is how I see it...HD calls FG to check on Tara, FG calls JP, and I believe that FG called HD back or vise versa to see what the P's said....IMO three phone calls made in the middle of the night and no actions were taken. FG...not sure actually what she did after she talked to the P's. HD apparently went home without no answers after he called FG (I'm not sure he went home and I am almost positive that he went to Hawkinsville in the AM Monday) The P's get a phone call in the middle of the night to ask about Tara...wonder what he was thinking after that phone call to him...apparently he goes back to bed. So, you have to ask yourself OK they are sooooooooo worried but not one person did anything therefore I don't buy the reason for HD's phone call. JMHO

what bothers me most about the late night call is that it was a closely guarded secret for six months. i dont think the neighbor saw hd's car outside that night either because i believe he would have mentioned it in one of his interviews with nancy grace. so where did hd go when fg made the call to the neighbor?

why did he drive to ocilla in the middle of the night? that isnt everyday behavior imo.

Results

10-20-2006, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by readmylips

what bothers me most about the late night call is that it was a closely guarded secret for six months. i dont think the neighbor saw hd's car outside that night either because i believe he would have mentioned it in one of his interviews with nancy grace. so where did hd go when fg made the call to the neighbor?

why did he drive to ocilla in the middle of the night? that isnt everyday behavior imo.

You are so right and thank you for reminding me of that. IIRC, it has not been brought up in an interview either. Dr. G released that information from cell phone records. That always bothered me because if there was a Perp they could have used HD as a scare tactic from the beginning but not one person mentioned that phone call. It's things like this that makes you wonder about the family and HD. What else has HD done that they haven't told us. IF it would have been MH there every interview from the bginning they would have shouted it from the rooftop. So, gotta ask why protect HD unless your some how involved too? JMHO

gagal

10-20-2006, 11:55 AM

I think that if HD was so concerned he would have banged on the door or her window! Thats along ride to just look at her house! The worse she would have done was tell him to leave! There is WAY more to this HD story. I also find it hard to believe that he was outside her house, the dog was prob barking like crazy and then JP talks on the phone and supposedly says everything looks alright at TARAS, but doesnt see HD or comment on the dog barking (during the phone call) Even if the dog knew HD, it more than likely barked when he went to her door. (My yard dog barks at me until I go in....Just because he can! lol) I mean, its almost like it was decided that no one was gonna give a s*"% about TARA that night. Even though the Ps had a supposed system with the light. If someone called me to go check on my neighbor, I would rush over just to rid them of their fear.... This all is just toooooooo weird for me! I mean what person wouldnt want to put a mothers fears to rest? Heck, just knock on the door, if their is someone their that you dont approve of, just shut your mouth and tell her to call her mom. End of story!

Its just me

10-20-2006, 12:16 PM

Thank you all for sharing you thoughts...interesting.
Chief Hancock said there is a piece of the puzzle missing and I agree 110%. I also know it sometimes may be difficult for LE to question one of their own and all of our questions may very well have already been answered with this investigation but if not this avenue should not be over looked. Too much of a chance to miss the missing piece of the puzzle. MHOO

gagal

10-20-2006, 12:41 PM

Of course, lets face it, the LE isnt gonna tell us John Public all they know...but I do think that if some things were tossed out to the public it may shake something loose. What if someone thought they saw something, but didnt want to come forward in case they were wrong. Maybe if LE announced a tidbit, then it would confirm the info for who ever...

Its just me

10-20-2006, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by gagal
What kinda "cop" vehicle does he drive? He was standing next to a black truck in a photo in a newspaper article. could he be the "black truck guy" seen earlier at TARAs? I read he drove (personal car) a car that was very similiar to Taras. One of the guys at the SO in our town drives a 4 X 4 truck as his work vehicle, so its possible that HD has one. ???????:shrug:

Without knowing what particular photo you saw gagal of HD standing by a black truck in a newspaper article I can't say it was or was not a truck. I saw a photo of HD standing beside a black vehicle where there was a drug bust. It appeared to be in winter time because of clothing HD had on and I think he wore maybe grey gloves in the picture I saw. In picture I saw with HD and black vehicle it proved not to be a black truck because of top of vehicle points it to be a suv.
I think HD drives a car as his official car at Perry. Perry Police Department may have unmarked vehicles used in investigations. Don't know. JMHOO

Its just me

10-20-2006, 12:52 PM

I want to add Butterbean brought an interesting thought that I will not rule out. My mind is blank right now of how it was determined it was the 18th that Tara was picked up. I'm not looking for this information right now because I think there is something from back that puts the 18th on the radar. Right now I am going with .....HD Picked up Tara on the 18th but will always be open for different information. IJM's HOO

Its just me

10-20-2006, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by gagal
Of course, lets face it, the LE isnt gonna tell us John Public all they know...but I do think that if some things were tossed out to the public it may shake something loose. What if someone thought they saw something, but didnt want to come forward in case they were wrong. Maybe if LE announced a tidbit, then it would confirm the info for who ever...

I agree...another thing that began early in the case is a distrust of the LE. I hope Chief Hancock's statements helped this situatuon with his departement at least. I hope the Chief will continue to make announcements concering this case because someone may know something and will come forward. Who wants to talk to anyone thats not willing to talk to them. Thanks to the Chief for making a step I think is in the right direction. (Talking to the people through the media) MHOO

One2Snoop

10-20-2006, 01:14 PM

One2Snoop

10-20-2006, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

Without knowing what particular photo you saw gagal of HD standing by a black truck in a newspaper article I can't say it was or was not a truck. I saw a photo of HD standing beside a black vehicle where there was a drug bust. It appeared to be in winter time because of clothing HD had on and I think he wore maybe grey gloves in the picture I saw. In picture I saw with HD and black vehicle it proved not to be a black truck because of top of vehicle points it to be a suv.
I think HD drives a car as his official car at Perry. Perry Police Department may have unmarked vehicles used in investigations. Don't know. JMHOO

IJM, I saw the same photo you saw and it was a black SUV.

PNut

10-20-2006, 01:19 PM

ok, I have to throw this out there....because it has ALWAYS been wiggling in the back of my mind....even as I have debated of the whole HD, FG, JP phone call and the business card deal...

HOW DO WE KNOW that this even occurred?? I mean, really - how do we know if Dr G really knows? Has there been real proof? He says there was cell phone calls - but has that even been confirmed by someone other than Dr G??

Like I said, odds are he might be correct - but what if after all this speculation on HD and the late night calls with Tara's mom - it comes out, that didn't even HAPPEN? I guess I am questioning Dr G's findings.

*sigh* again, we never have anything CONCRETE in this case...

gagal

10-20-2006, 02:19 PM

You are so right! The worrisome part is that Dr. G isnt known the best info......

gagal

10-20-2006, 02:27 PM

Thanks ya'll, I guess I mistook the pix. It sounds like we were talking about the same one.

Results

10-20-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by PNut
ok, I have to throw this out there....because it has ALWAYS been wiggling in the back of my mind....even as I have debated of the whole HD, FG, JP phone call and the business card deal...

HOW DO WE KNOW that this even occurred?? I mean, really - how do we know if Dr G really knows? Has there been real proof? He says there was cell phone calls - but has that even been confirmed by someone other than Dr G??

Like I said, odds are he might be correct - but what if after all this speculation on HD and the late night calls with Tara's mom - it comes out, that didn't even HAPPEN? I guess I am questioning Dr G's findings.

*sigh* again, we never have anything CONCRETE in this case...

Here is why I believe it. LG & AG addressed the public about a LDT for one question and they came out swinging to defend themselves. The GBI had given no information on this subject. They brought it to the attention of the public not the GBI. I believe if this was a lie about the cell phone records on HD they would have came out swinging defending HD. I most definitely think the call was made from Tara's yard at 12:15 AM. What the mistake was when they released this information the public opinion did a 160 degree turn. IF he has ever said anything that I believe....its that one call made from Tara's yard by HD. JMHO

kundalini

10-20-2006, 03:45 PM

If HD's dad was in Anita's wedding, that would probably make him a close friend to her or her husband.
If Tara's mom called her Sunday and never got ahold of her maybe she alerted Anita and she also tried to call. Somehow this gets back to HD either directly from mom, sister or brother-inlaw (if she had been confiding in him or having a close relationship and if the family knew this) or his father may have spoken with one of them and suggewsted his son head over to check on her. If HD's father is a close enough friend to be in their wedding I would assume he would be aware of what was going on with Tara as would his wife. Either by speaking with Anita or her husband. If there was an affair between Tara and HD I would think it would cause a major conflict between several of those just mentioned - maybe the reason Tara and Anita had a fight. It is one thing if your sister is dating a married man but another if she had seeing your close-friend's son. That would be very sticky.

HonestInjun

10-20-2006, 04:03 PM

You are "right on target" with your post!!

I agree totally!

:seeya:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Read the Crime Library latest article with great interest. Hoped the GBI would FINALLY release Tara's timeline. Very intriguing to me was the great number of GBI agents who have worked or are working on this case and the volumes of information they have collected. Didn't it say the case file was 15 times the usual file size of a murder case? Obviously a great deal of work has been done.

And I think I finally get it!

Tara's case file not only holds Tara's timeline but apparently timelines for many, many others (male and female). For almost a year I have been so frustrated the GBI or whoever working Tara's case has not been forthcoming with last movements/timeline for Tara or updated public bulletins or pleas to help drive the case to conclusion and dampen the rumor mill fires along the way- a great example is that black truck, HD's cell phone record for that night is another, what time MH left the bar in Fitzgerald is yet one more. I have not been alone thinking this case was a very odd missing person case.

Now I think I get the GBI! The GBI must be keeping all of those timelines (including Tara's) close to their vest, IMO, for a reason. IMO, they have one or more working theories in play (and have for a long time) and they are simply waiting for a key piece of this puzzle to fall into place. Isn't that what Chief Hancock volunteered to the Crime Library reporter? He has been there since the first day. He may not be in the lead but he IMO is in the loop!

Makes me really hopeful Tara's disappearance will be solved.

Afterall, that is what the GBI has been saying all along.

:seeya: [/QUOTE

PNut

10-20-2006, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Results

Here is why I believe it. LG & AG addressed the public about a LDT for one question and they came out swinging to defend themselves. The GBI had given no information on this subject. They brought it to the attention of the public not the GBI. I believe if this was a lie about the cell phone records on HD they would have came out swinging defending HD. I most definitely think the call was made from Tara's yard at 12:15 AM. What the mistake was when they released this information the public opinion did a 160 degree turn. IF he has ever said anything that I believe....its that one call made from Tara's yard by HD. JMHO

you know Results, I hadn't thought of it that way. You have a very valid point, and it's probably the way it is.

i will raise THIS counter point (just to be debating!! LOL) what IF this were the case - AG had put all her eggs in Dr G's basket. So, for her to say, you know your statements about HD being there that night and making these calls is bull***** - says a coupla things #1 - her judgement and trust in him was misguided #2 - she couldn't trust in anything else he said and #3 - she'd been made a foul of by him. So, maybe, even with HD being the family friend, she felt backed into a corner of supporting Dr G and all his findings. And of course, we all know, she'll save face, before she saves anyone elses. And he faded from the background REAL quick after that....maybe that's why?

Lindsey

10-20-2006, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by kundalini
If HD's dad was in Anita's wedding, that would probably make him a close friend to her or her husband.
If Tara's mom called her Sunday and never got ahold of her maybe she alerted Anita and she also tried to call. Somehow this gets back to HD either directly from mom, sister or brother-inlaw (if she had been confiding in him or having a close relationship and if the family knew this) or his father may have spoken with one of them and suggewsted his son head over to check on her. If HD's father is a close enough friend to be in their wedding I would assume he would be aware of what was going on with Tara as would his wife. Either by speaking with Anita or her husband. If there was an affair between Tara and HD I would think it would cause a major conflict between several of those just mentioned - maybe the reason Tara and Anita had a fight. It is one thing if your sister is dating a married man but another if she had seeing your close-friend's son. That would be very sticky.

I haven't heard anything about Tara and Anita having a fight. Could you give us more info? When did this happen, etc.?

Results

10-20-2006, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by PNut

you know Results, I hadn't thought of it that way. You have a very valid point, and it's probably the way it is.

i will raise THIS counter point (just to be debating!! LOL) what IF this were the case - AG had put all her eggs in Dr G's basket. So, for her to say, you know your statements about HD being there that night and making these calls is bull***** - says a coupla things #1 - her judgement and trust in him was misguided #2 - she couldn't trust in anything else he said and #3 - she'd been made a foul of by him. So, maybe, even with HD being the family friend, she felt backed into a corner of supporting Dr G and all his findings. And of course, we all know, she'll save face, before she saves anyone elses. And he faded from the background REAL quick after that....maybe that's why?

Very well could be. Excellent post. However, I think AG is too much of a control freak to let anyone take her fame and glory. Dr G was no threat to her because he believed MH did it before he left his driveway. IF you don't believe MH did it.....you are #1 ENEMY! I still remember when a person set up a myspace account for Tara and AG asked her if she was trying to steal her glory and if she wanted to settle it on the playground....I would have thanked this person for trying to get my sisters face and name out to find her.....it was just the opposit for AG. This didn't end with AG and this other person....nah that was too easy....the MH "done it" Clan had to come on CTV and tell us all to be careful about the myspace account, that it was the devil, and all kinds of things BEWARE OF THE MYSPACE. Well, of course me, Results, was ticked off about that situation so naturally I opened up a myspace account just to be friends with the other persons Tara's myspace....childish....I know BUT it felt good. JMHO ;)

concernedperson

10-21-2006, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Babes

Hi FSBII

Could door #6 posting on this message board? Hmmmm or the other boards for Tara? Who knows....:D

I have always heard that a killer likes to keep up with their crime after the fact. Some even insert themselves into the investigation.

It is my opinion that whoever harmed Tara was familiar to her and not a random person. I also believe Tara left willingly with this person sometimes after 11 pm on October 22nd.

If it was a serial killer or otherwise crazed person Tara's home would have an indication of an abduction or murder.

LE has mentioned the case file on Tara is huge and that there were many relationships to interview. LE has also said that no one has been cleared. What this tells me is their dragnet is confined to this group of relationships. I would also imagine that they have several working theories from this group and need something else to pinpoint the exact cause of Tara's disappearance.

Let's all pray that the anniversary of Tara's disappearance brings the necessary clues to find Tara and and bring her home.

balaney

10-21-2006, 01:56 PM

HARPER: She told me she felt like it was time for her to move on.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you're getting dumped, essentially?

HARPER: More or less.

VAN SUSTEREN: Were you upset by that at all?

HARPER: At first. We continued to remain friends, but I felt a little rejected at first. But I picked — you know, brushed my shoulders off, went on and started dating other people.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she say why in October of 2004 she wanted to call it quits to your relationship?

HARPER: I think that she was looking more toward marriage.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you're definitely not into the marriage.

HARPER: Not at this time.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So after, let's say, October 2004 until September 2005, when you're in the area — because I know that you travel for business — did you see her often?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: How often did you see her?

HARPER: We remained friends. Any time I was home from business, you know, we would see each other. This past summer, we even went to a movie together as friends.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the relationship, did you try to rekindle a boyfriend-girlfriend or was it...

HARPER: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: It was definitely over as of October.

HARPER: She asked several times about rekindling the relationship, and I told her we could stay friends but I didn't want any kind of commitment. She asked me one time, Can we date each other, go on dates, but not see other people? And I told her that would be commitment. That's what I don't want.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then you were reject her, essentially, at this point?

HARPER: Pretty much.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she accept that?

HARPER: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: When was the last time you actually saw her?

HARPER: The 14th of October. It was on a Friday morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time?

HARPER: Around 9 o'clock.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what were the circumstances?

HARPER: She woke me by knocking on my windows.

VAN SUSTEREN: About how far do you live from her?

HARPER: Six miles approximately.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is that something common, where she would knock on your windows, or not? Is that unusual?

HARPER: No, it's not unusual, but she was crying and was upset about something.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, is this a school day for her?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know whether or not she was in school that day as a teacher?

HARPER: I do not know that information.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know what time school usually started for her?

HARPER: I would say around 8 o'clock.

VAN SUSTEREN: So presumably, 9 o'clock would be into the school day.

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What happened?

HARPER: She approached me crying. She was very irrational. And she told me that if she found out I was dating someone, she would commit suicide.

VAN SUSTEREN: So on Friday, after you saw her in the morning, did you see her again?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did you see her again?

HARPER: She came back that afternoon.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you actually see her that afternoon?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And anything unusual about that afternoon?

HARPER: She said she wanted to hug me for a last time. And I told her it's not going to be a last time. We live in the same small town. We'll continue to see each other, meaning face to face on the street. And she told me, I don't want you hating me. And I told her, I said, Tara, I do not hate you. I don't have any hard feelings against you. We just need to move on.

VAN SUSTEREN: So did you see her at any time between that Friday, which was eight days before the 22nd, when she disappeared — did you see her another time?

HARPER: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you talk to her on the phone?

HARPER: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: You've had one or two e-mails back and forth?
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now read my next entry regarding profiling.

balaney

10-21-2006, 01:58 PM

compare above to this
Important Parts Of Speech
Parts of speech form the foundation of statement analysis. To analyze a statement, investigators first need to examine the individual parts of speech, particularly pronouns, nouns, and verbs, and to establish the norm for each. If a deviation from the norm appears, they then should ask, "Why?"

Pronouns
Pronouns are parts of speech that take the place of nouns. Common examples of personal pronouns include I, me, you, he, she, we, they, and it. In statement analysis, particular attention should be given to the personal pronouns "I" and "we" and all possessive pronouns, such as my, our, your, his, her, etc. The Pronoun "I" Investigators have noted that truthful people give statements using the pronoun "I," which is first person, singular. Any deviation from this norm deserves close scrutiny, for it could be an indication that the person is not totally committed to the facts in the statement and, therefore, is not telling the whole truth.

The following written narrative begins with a clear commitment, then shows a definite lack of commitment:

"I got up at 7:00 when my alarm went off. I took a shower and got dressed. I decided to go out for breakfast. I went to the McDonald's on the corner. Met a man who lives nearby. Talked with him for a few minutes. I finished breakfast and drove to work."

The first four sentences of the statement match the norm of first person, singular--the use of the pronoun "I"; the next two sentences show deviation, because this pronoun is missing from the statement. What caused the writer to stop using the pronoun "I"? Any change in the use of pronouns is significant, and at this point, investigators should realize that the statement now becomes devoid of personal involvement. Could there be tension between the writer and the man mentioned in the statement? During the interview, investigators should draw out specifics about this relationship to determine if this part of the narrative is really true or if the writer omitted information.

I versus We
Because using the first person, singular pronoun is the norm for truthful statements, investigators need to look for a lack of the pronoun "I" and overuse of the pronoun "we," which is first person, plural.

The following version of a teen-ager's account when asked to relate what he did on Saturday evening illustrates the norm:

"I met four friends at the movie theater, watched a movie, then stopped to get something to eat with them. We had a few drinks at the bar on the way home. I stayed until just after midnight. I drove home...."

The following version of the same account, when contrasted with the above statement, indicates deviation from the norm:

"We all met at the movie theater, watched a movie, then stopped to get something to eat. We had a few drinks at the bar on the way home. We stayed until just after midnight. We each drove home...."

Because the second statement contains only "we," instead of the expected norm, which uses mostly "I," the investigator should wonder why there is no individual involvement. Perhaps the teenager hopes to conceal something or at least to avoid sole responsibility for some act.

balaney

10-21-2006, 02:01 PM

I versus We
Because using the first person, singular pronoun is the norm for truthful statements, investigators need to look for a lack of the pronoun "I" and overuse of the pronoun "we," which is first person, plural.

The following version of a teen-ager's account when asked to relate what he did on Saturday evening illustrates the norm:

"I met four friends at the movie theater, watched a movie, then stopped to get something to eat with them. We had a few drinks at the bar on the way home. I stayed until just after midnight. I drove home...."

The following version of the same account, when contrasted with the above statement, indicates deviation from the norm:

"We all met at the movie theater, watched a movie, then stopped to get something to eat. We had a few drinks at the bar on the way home. We stayed until just after midnight. We each drove home...."

Because the second statement contains only "we," instead of the expected norm, which uses mostly "I," the investigator should wonder why there is no individual involvement. Perhaps the teenager hopes to conceal something or at least to avoid sole responsibility for some act.

The Pronoun "We"
In speech and the written word, linguists consider the shortest way to say something as the easiest and clearest way to communicate. The pronoun "we" is a short, clear way to describe one's self and others after proper introductions have been made. "We" also denotes togetherness; it indicates a relationship between persons. Omission of the pronoun "we" is significant, particularly when the individuals are spouses.

In the following versions of an account of events given by a husband, the first statement indicates the norm; the second one denotes deviation:

"My wife and I were invited to a neighbor's 50th birthday party. We arrived at the party a little late. The party was still in full swing when we left for home."

"My wife and I were invited to a neighbor's 50th birthday party. My wife and I arrived at the party a little late. The party was still in full swing when my wife and I left for home."

The second statement reveals distance between the husband and his wife. Once the husband introduces his wife into the statement, using the pronoun "we" is the shortest way to communicate. Yet, the husband avoids this word. Why? Perhaps because there is no "togetherness" in the relationship. If later that night the wife is murdered, and the husband, when recounting the day's activities, provides a statement devoid of the pronoun "we," investigators questioning the husband should focus on the couple's relationship. If the husband admits to marital problems, but vehemently denies any involvement in the death, investigators may clear him as a suspect, barring contrary evidence. However, if the husband responds that the couple was very close, investigators should be wary, because statement analysis reveals otherwise. A shift from "they" to "we" also is significant, for it reveals personal involvement.

In white-collar crime cases, the guilty person who denies complicity may find it difficult to keep the pronoun "we" out of a statement completely. In such instances, investigators need to search the entire written statement for "we." Then, during the interview, they should focus on the transaction described with "we." This pronoun indicates that the writer was involved.

Another example of this shift in the use of pronouns often can be found in alleged rape reports.

In the following two statements taken from rape reports, the focus is on the pronoun "we":

"He forced me into the woods," versus "We went into the woods."

The first statement represents the norm. The second statement, which contains
the pronoun "we," is a deviation from the norm. Veteran rape investigators are alert to the sudden appearance of the pronoun "we" in a victim's statement. From their experience interviewing rape victims, they have normed the rape victim to use the pronouns "he" and "I," not the pronoun "we," to describe the assailant and herself. Because the pronoun "we" denotes togetherness, the investigator reading "we" in an alleged rape statement should ask if the victim knew the assailant and if they were together before the rape occurred. If the victim denies this, there is reason to believe the statement is a fabrication.

In reports of an abduction, the use of the pronoun "we" also can indicate that the victim may not be telling the whole truth.

For example, a young woman who reported that she had been abducted at a shopping center provided the following written statement:

"I parked and started getting out of my car when a white male about 200 pounds, 6 feet tall approached me and told me to get in the car or he would hurt me. He then got in the back. I got in the front and began to drive. He told me to drive west on the highway. He asked me if I had any money. I told him no. We drove for about an hour. During that hour, he hit me repeatedly on the right side of my face. When we got to the exit, I told him I had no gas. He got mad and told me to get off the exit. We went straight off the exit for about 4-5 miles. He told me to turn down the first street on my left. We went down it about 1/4 of a mile. He told me to stop. He opened the door, put both feet out, hit me, and took off walking quickly. He took off to the east of where I was parked. After that, I took off and lost sight of him."

balaney

10-21-2006, 02:04 PM

Investigators experienced in statement analysis would question the truthfulness of the above declaration. A true abduction statement, when normed, includes phrases like "He forced me to drive..." or "He made me get off at the exit...." Traumatized victims who are telling the truth do not use the pronoun "we" to describe assailants and themselves. Investigators concluded that the above statement revealed deception. When interviewed, the woman subsequently confessed that no abduction occurred. She was, in fact, with a man she knew.

Possessive Pronouns
Possessive pronouns, e.g., my, our, your, his, her, and their, reveal the attachment that the writer or speaker acknowledges toward a person or object. A suspect will change the pronoun, or drop the pronoun completely, when opting not to show possession or admit association with a particular object or person. For example, "I was cleaning my gun. I was putting my gun away. The gun discharged." This person, wanting to disclaim ownership of the gun that discharged (either accidentally or intentionally), stopped using the possessive pronoun "my." It no longer was his gun, under his control; it became the gun.

Another example can be found in a written statement made by a person whose home burned to the ground:

"I left my house right after breakfast to join my friends at the track for the day.... I drove back to my house, made a few phone calls, then went out to dinner with Stan Thompson.... Stan dropped me off at my house around 10:00. After I changed my clothes I left the house to spend the night at my cousin Tom's. Around midnight we heard fire engines and got up to see what was going on."

In this account, after the writer consistently used the pronoun "my" to describe his house, he omitted the pronoun the last time it was mentioned. Was it because the house burned down, and it was no longer his house? If so, then this change should have occurred much later, after midnight, when the writer learned that the house was burning. Based on the statements made, investigators should question why the switch in references occurred the last time the writer was in the house. Was it because the writer had spread accelerant on the floor of the house? Was the writer already giving up possession because he had set the fire? Just as arson investigators try to discover if valuable possessions have been removed from a house prior to a fire, those skilled in statement analysis look for the exact point at which the owner stops taking possession by failing to use the pronoun "my."

Nouns
Nouns denote persons, places, and things. Yet, nouns take on different meanings, depending on the individual. When examining the words used by a suspect, the investigator needs to note any changes, because a "change of language reflects a change in reality."4

If suspects substitute a different word after using one word consistently, they telegraph the fact that something in their lives has changed. Although language changes can occur with any part of speech, they are observed more frequently with nouns.

In a statement written by a suspect in a homicide investigation, a significant change in noun usage occurred. A young man shot his wife in the face with a shotgun. The woman died instantly, and the husband claimed the shooting was accidental. Investigators asked the man to write a statement of the events that occurred during the day of the shooting. The husband wrote a detailed statement, using the noun "wife" seven times to refer to his wife.

He then wrote: "...I lost control of the gun. I sensed that the barrel was pointing in Louise's direction and I reacted by grabbing at the gun to get it back under control. When I did this the gun discharged. It went off once and I looked over and saw blood on Louise's face."

What caused the husband to start using "Louise," his wife's first name? Did this occur at a significant point in the narrative? Prior to this point, investigators had normed the husband as using the noun "wife." When the spouse went to church with her husband, she was "my wife." When she later called to her husband, she was "my wife." But when the barrel of the gun was pointing in her direction and when there was blood on her face, two critial points in the statement, the spouse was no longer referred to as "my wife." She became Louise.

Investigators have determined that perpetrators find it nearly impossible to admit to harming a family member. The husband in this case could not admit that he had killed his wife. He removed the family relationship by substituting the name "Louise." The husband also failed to introduce Louise to the reader. After using the noun "wife" seven times, the name "Louise" suddenly appears. The reader does not know for certain who Louise is. It only can be assumed that Louise is the wife, but the husband gave no proper introduction, such as "my wife, Louise." The norm for healthy relationships is a proper, clear introduction. But in tumultuous relationships, introductions often are confusing or missing completely. The lack of a proper introduction most likely indicates a poor relationship between the husband and his wife.

Knowledge of this prior to the interview could assist investigators in uncovering the truth. Verbs Verbs express action, either in the past, present, or future. In statement analysis, the tense of the verb is of utmost importance. When analyzing statements, investigators need to concentrate on the tense of the verbs used. In a truthful statement, the use of the past tense is the norm, because by the time a person relates the event, it has already occurred.

For example, the following statement typifies the norm:

"It happened Saturday night. I went out on my back deck to water the plants. It was almost dark. A man ran out of the bushes. He came onto the deck, grabbed me and knocked me down."

The next statement shows deviation from the norm:

"It happened Saturday night. I went out on my back deck to water the plants. It was almost dark. A man runs out of the bushes. He comes onto the deck, grabs me and knocks me down."

The shift to present tense is significant, because events recalled from memory should be stated by using the past tense. The change to present tense could indicate deception. Knowing this, an investigator interviewing the victim of the second statement is forewarned that the account may be fabricated.

The use of past or present tense also is significant when referring to missing persons. In such cases, the norm is to describe the person in the present tense, as in, "I just pray that Jenny is all right." When children are missing, in the parents' hearts and minds, the children remain alive, sometimes long after the point of reason. As evidenced in the Susan Smith case, use of past tense almost immediately after the alleged abduction showed a significant deviation from the norm.

balaney

10-21-2006, 02:06 PM

Extraneous Information
Extraneous information in a statement also can provide clues to deception. A truthful person with nothing to hide, when asked the question, "What happened," will recount the events chronologically and concisely. Any information given that does not answer this question is extraneous. People involved in crimes may feel the need to justify their actions. In such cases, the information in the statements will not follow a logical time frame or will skirt what really happened. They also may include more information than is necessary to tell the story. In such instances, investigators should scrutinize this extraneous information and question why this person felt the need to include it.

For example, in a homicide investigation involving a young woman shot by her husband, the husband told police officers that he was cleaning his gun when it accidentally discharged. Investigators then asked the husband to write a statement about his actions on the day he shot his wife. He provided a detailed statement, writing at length about the rust on his gun and a previous hunting trip. He failed, however, to describe fully his activities on this specific day. The amount of extraneous information prompted the investigator to view the husband as a suspect.

Lack Of Conviction
Another important factor in statement analysis is a person's lack of conviction. When analyzing a statement, investigators should note if the person feigns a loss of memory by repeatedly inserting "I don't remember" or "I can't recall." They also should look to see if the person hedges during the narrative by using such phrases as "I think," "I believe," "to the best of my knowledge," or "kind of." These phrases, also called qualifiers, serve to temper the action about to be described, thereby discounting the message before it even is transmitted.5

Clearly, the person giving the statement is avoiding commitment, and warning bells should ring in the investigator's ears. The following is a transcript of an oral statement of a college student who reported that a man broke into her apartment at 3:30 a.m. and raped her. A statement regarding such a traumatic experience should brim with conviction, which this statement clearly lacks.

"He grabbed me and held a knife to my throat. And when I woke up and I was, I mean I was really asleep and I didn't know what was going on, and I kind of you know I was scared and I kind of startled when I woke up, You know, You know I was startled and he, he told, he kept telling me to shut up and he asked me if I could feel the knife."

It is important to consider the phrase, "I kind of startled when I woke up." Certainly, this is not a normal reaction for a woman who awakens in the middle of the night to see an unknown man at her bed and to feel a knife at her throat. The word "terrified" more appropriately comes to mind. Using the words "kind of startled" shows a gross deviation from the expected normal reaction of terror.

Another example of lack of conviction can be found in a written statement given by a relative of a woman who mysteriously disappeared. Investigators asked the missing woman's sister-in-law to recount the activities that took place on the weekend of the disappearance. After claiming memory lapses and showing a general lack of specificity, the sister-in-law ended her statement with: "...that was about it. These were my actions on the weekend to the best I can recall." Any investigator reading the above statement should seriously question whether the events were described accurately and completely.

Balance Of The Statement
A statement given by a suspect or an alleged victim should be examined by investigators for overall balance. Statements should be more than just a series of details. They need to sound like an account of the event. A truthful statement has three parts. The first part details what was going on before the event occurred; it places the event in context. The second part describes the occurrence itself, i.e., what happened during the theft, the rape, the fire, etc. The last part tells what occurred after the event, including actions and emotions, and should be at least as long as the first part. The more balanced the three parts of the statement, the greater the probability that the statement is true.6

A statement containing the same number of lines in the before, during, and after parts, i.e., 33 1/3 percent in each part, indi-cates truth, although some degree of variation from perfect balance can be expected. If any part of a statement is incomplete or missing altogether, then the statement is probably false.

The following breakdown of a statement written by a man whose home burned shows a deviation too great from the balanced norm. The man provided a 56-line account of what happened that day, divided as follows:

BEFORE the fire: 33 lines -59.0%
DURING the fire: 16 lines - 28.5%
AFTER the fire: 7 lines - 12.5%
Investigators concluded that the above distribution indicates deception, because the three parts of the statement are clearly out of balance. The "before" section is too long and the "after" section is too short. Examination of the statement revealed that in the first part, the writer provided too much information totally unrelated to the fire. This signaled the investigators to ask themselves, "Is the writer stalling or trying to justify his actions?" Also, the statement contained sparse information on what happened after the fire and lacked any indication of emotion. There was no sign of anger, shock, or sense of loss. The writer, who showed no concern about the consequences of the fire, ultimately confessed to setting it.

Conclusion
Statements contain a wealth of information far beyond what the suspect or alleged victim intends to communicate. Fortunately, investigators can use this information to their benefit. Statement analysis provides investigators with vital background data and details about relationships to explore during the interview process. It also can determine whether the intent of the statement is to convey or to convince, that is, to convey the truth or to convince through deception.7 Armed with this knowledge, investigators can enter the interview room with increased confidence to identify the perpetrator and gain a confession.

readmylips

10-21-2006, 02:26 PM

2 questions.

where did you get the information you posted on assessing a persons communication? good information. a little more than i can chew on at the moment but i will reread it later.

and what is your analysis based on the information you posted? i would be interested in seeing it applied by someone who has obviously studied it.

tia

Khaos

10-21-2006, 02:42 PM

Balaney, I would like to see your follow up of accessing MH statements. Call me lazy but like RMLs it is to much for me to process. If you can do that it would interesting. Then maybe we can do a few others statements. Interesting information, Thanks.

balaney

10-21-2006, 04:22 PM

Answer
1. crimeandclues.com/oct964.htm
2. There are variances in the MH statements and also vague wording:

Refer to when he states Tara came back a second time on Fri Oct 14.
This change from past tense to present tense comes to reduce the commitment of what is being said at this time, and possibly deceptive.

Refer to his statement regarding "I think" when asked specifically how Tara felt about the reason for their breakup and her emotions.

Refer to his ability to explain his every move on the night in question yet there many vague holes in his story - exactly what time did he leave the bar? exactly what time did he hook up with his friend? etc.

Aussie

10-21-2006, 07:00 PM

Thankyou Balaney,
Your post makes very interesting reading and very valuable reading as there are quite a few transcripts on this case posted on the net.
I will now read them with more interest.

Its just me

10-21-2006, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Aussie
Thankyou Balaney,
Your post makes very interesting reading and very valuable reading as there are quite a few transcripts on this case posted on the net.
I will now read them with more interest.

This is very interesting reading...so interesting I have it saved on computer for easy access and future use. I for one truly appreciate getting this. Going only on memory of the different transcripts and applying this information to some I might even open the door for a conspiricy in Tara disappearance. MHOO

simply quiet

10-21-2006, 09:22 PM

Blaney.....that is sure a lot of key strokes...and I applaud you for your effort.......BUT....what did Tara do when she got home from the cook out?

She may have gone to sleep for the night..sleeping on a decision she had to make in the morning. She could very well have gotten up that morning (SUNDAY) and decided to take off.

I keep going back to HD....did he know she may do this? Is that why he was so worried about her?

Again....I will wonder if he was so worried about her safety.....why didn't he call out the troops before he made 10 calls to her?

Something here just doesn't make sense. IMO

NancynNC

10-22-2006, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by balaney
Answer
1. crimeandclues.com/oct964.htm
2. There are variances in the MH statements and also vague wording:

Refer to when he states Tara came back a second time on Fri Oct 14.
This change from past tense to present tense comes to reduce the commitment of what is being said at this time, and possibly deceptive.

Refer to his statement regarding "I think" when asked specifically how Tara felt about the reason for their breakup and her emotions.

Refer to his ability to explain his every move on the night in question yet there many vague holes in his story - exactly what time did he leave the bar? exactly what time did he hook up with his friend? etc.

Thanks for posting. I found it very informative and I have reread it many times.

The following statement by MH in the interview with Greta has always troubled me. He gives the impression that he was in CONTROL of the conversation. It would not be the last time they
would hug or see each other. Then he throws in "on the street",
like a casual relationship.

HARPER: She said she wanted to hug me for a last time. And I told her it's not going to be a last time. We live in the same small town. We'll continue to see each other, meaning face to face on the street. And she told me, I don't want you hating me. And I told her, I said, Tara, I do not hate you. I don't have any hard feelings against you. We just need to move on.

A very controlling statement. IMO He is still my #1 suspect. IMOO

odette

10-22-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Results

I don't think FG was alarmed until HD called her. Why call the neighbors though when HD is in Tara's yard? Makes no sense at all. I don't think anyone at this time was worried until HD made it a issue at 12:15 AM Monday. I am not buying any of this. IMOO HD, AG, LG have attracted attention after the disapperance by their actions. IMOO those three know something. JMHO

I don't think anyone at this time was worried until HD made it a issue at 12:15 AM Monday. I am not buying any of this.

Results, I'm with you on this 100%. I think that HD went to Tara's house in the middle of the night of his own volition, not because others asked him to go at that time.

What was HD really doing at Tara's house at 12:15am on Monday morning?.

imo

Results

10-22-2006, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by odette

Results, I'm with you on this 100%. I think that HD went to Tara's house in the middle of the night of his own volition, not because others asked him to go at that time.

What was HD really doing at Tara's house at 12:15am on Monday morning?.

imo

I would like to know what he was really doing there at Tara's too. IF FG knew that he was Tara's why did she ask the P's if Tara's car was there? HD was there why didn't he tell FG that the car was there? I'm not buying any of HD's explanation about being at Tara's hours before she was reported missing. Another thing that botheref me...FG and MHu were looking for Tara in Hawkinsville before she was reported missing...why didn't FG call the school to see if she showed up that morning...I think that would have been the logical thing to do? I'm not sure what was going on but FG not calling the school since she was trying to find Tara you would think that would have been the first place to call that Monday AM...the school. JMHO

odette

10-22-2006, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Results

That is the one thing HD was banking on.....why would he put hisself there if HE is the PERP? It was a good move on his part to make that call. To me IF they had not called the neighbor I might have bought it myself. Here is how I see it...HD calls FG to check on Tara, FG calls JP, and I believe that FG called HD back or vise versa to see what the P's said....IMO three phone calls made in the middle of the night and no actions were taken. FG...not sure actually what she did after she talked to the P's. HD apparently went home without no answers after he called FG (I'm not sure he went home and I am almost positive that he went to Hawkinsville in the AM Monday) The P's get a phone call in the middle of the night to ask about Tara...wonder what he was thinking after that phone call to him...apparently he goes back to bed. So, you have to ask yourself OK they are sooooooooo worried but not one person did anything therefore I don't buy the reason for HD's phone call. JMHO

Here is how I see it...HD calls FG to check on Tara, FG calls JP, and I believe that FG called HD back or vise versa to see what the P's said....IMO three phone calls made in the middle of the night and no actions were taken.

Very interesting Results.

Has it ever been established, I wonder, if FG phoned HD back after talking with the P's, to relay what they said to her?. Remember that FG asked the P's during that "middle of the night call", if "a car was there". I wonder why she didn't ask HD this question ... I mean he was allegedly right there on the spot.

I seriously doubt that HD even told FG that he was in Tara's yard when he phoned her. I suspect that he may have suggested to FG that she phone the P's because he wanted to know if they "had seen anything" that weekend. Kinda like he was "fishing for info" perhaps. IMO

imo

Results

10-22-2006, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by odette

Very interesting Results.

Has it ever been established, I wonder, if FG phoned HD back after talking with the P's, to relay what they said to her?. Remember that FG asked the P's during that "middle of the night call", if "a car was there". I wonder why she didn't ask HD this question ... I mean he was allegedly right there on the spot.

I seriously doubt that HD even told FG that he was in Tara's yard when he phoned her. I suspect that he may have suggested to FG that she phone the P's because he wanted to know if they "had seen anything" that weekend. Kinda like he was "fishing for info" perhaps. IMO

imo

It has never been established that FG or HD talked again after the P's call. I believe it did happen because what was the purpose to call them if they didn't want to know what the P's had to say. I don't know if HD called FG back after the call to the P's or reverse but I believe that phone call was made after the calls to the P's. JMHO

concernedperson

10-22-2006, 09:51 PM

I'm thinking HD was acting like a love sick puppy...the midnight tryst etc. It is interesting that he didn't mention or Faye didn't mention that he was in Tara's yard at the time. Otherwise, why wouldn't the P's be privy to that info.

If either one was seriously worried about harm done to Tara at that time wouldn't doors and windows have been smashed? They were concerned for different reasons IMO. But, not for bodily harm, at that time.

In my mind it explains HD being sorry the next day. Knowing then that he should have been more vigilent.

He did too many stupid lovesick actions for me to consider him a serious perp. But, he was lying about a lot....that is between he and his wife.

I still think there is a door #6.

Opinions can change with hard facts. So, if one shows up I will look at that too.

readmylips

10-23-2006, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by OopsItsAdel

I don't think HD harmed Tara but do think there could have been some dishonesty mixed in there with the friendship. I do believe he cared deeply for Tara which may explain him being so distraught after she was officially missing. But I don't think HD is a killer.

what brings you to these conclusions?

gagal

10-23-2006, 02:04 PM

I would love to hear your thoughts....i think HD and Tara must have been involved in more than a friendship. IMO! Not judging, but she is a very pretty girl and appeared to have it together! (school, work) whats not to like! (I WILL NOT SAY WAS) I agree that it is a horrible thing for his family. Did she threaten to tell his wife? Did he snap, not wanting to ruin his rep? I dont know, but he sure is involved in this somehow!

gagal

10-23-2006, 02:26 PM

I think the fact that the G family protected HD speaks volumes. Maybe they knew all about the supposed affair and didnt want it public, because they felt HD would never hurt TG. Didnt want to hurt his family or embarass them. Did HD reconcile with his wife? didnt they seperate when this came out? (cant remember who posted that, but it was posted!)

readmylips

10-23-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by gagal
I think the fact that the G family protected HD speaks volumes. Maybe they knew all about the supposed affair and didnt want it public, because they felt HD would never hurt TG. Didnt want to hurt his family or embarass them. Did HD reconcile with his wife? didnt they seperate when this came out? (cant remember who posted that, but it was posted!)

there is also the possibility that hd is himself protecting someone else.

gagal

10-23-2006, 05:06 PM

Do tell what you think! Sounds very interesting!!!!!!! Who would he be protecting? Jealous Wife???

BroadwayJoe

10-23-2006, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

That would be my guess;) His behaviour was just too much at the OPD that Monday afternoon. IMO, it was more guilt than worry. JMO.
Did you witness the behavior? If so, can you elaborate? The only thing I've ever heard is that he was "crying". I just wondered if there was something more.

odette

10-23-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

That would be my guess;) His behaviour was just too much at the OPD that Monday afternoon. IMO, it was more guilt than worry. JMO.

Here here!!

imo

Its just me

10-24-2006, 08:26 AM

I was told Sunday while in Ocilla that Tara and HD were involved in a relationship. Don't know how HD felt but on Tara' part it was a relationship that would never lead to a marriage. Only what I was told...good source...but I personally can't say this is true because I don't know HD or Tara. My source was about as good as one can get so my opinion only is that this is true.

readmylips

10-24-2006, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by IBC
The theories surrounding T's disappearance have become so wide and bizarre that I quit posting.

Early posters suggested that Mr. P should be thoroughly checked. However, many Ocillans think that to consider him a suspect would be violating sacred ground; he's apparently considered as a very "nice old man" who would never do something to Tara.

Mr. P should be thoroughly questioned and, along with others, should be a POI. Mabye it will turn out he is just a considerate old man, but someone abducted Tara, and right now no one this close to the investigation can be eliminated.

i believe that everyone mentioned here has been thoroughly questioned by le regardless of the general publics opinions of whether they should be or not. as it should be.

readmylips

10-24-2006, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Farmboy911

Did you just use "as good as one can get" and "Ocilla" in the same paragraph?
:confused:

she sure did. shocking that someone could have an opinion that differs to yours? i think a lot have opinions that differ. at every end of the spectrum. opinions are opinions and mine are in sync with ijm. ocilla is full of fine people with giving hearts. they just dont take kindly to being treated badly. cant say as i blame them.

welcome back farmboy

Its just me

10-24-2006, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Farmboy911

Did you just use "as good as one can get" and "Ocilla" in the same paragraph?
:confused:

Yep you may can same the same paragraph but I didn't check for run on sentences change of subject etc. So if you are complaining about my writing ability I'm guilty as sin...Not the smartest person when it comes to complete sentences, good paragraphs using correct words etc. But I did say "as good as one can get" and I was in Ocilla Georgia early afternoon with a mission other that the service for Tara which was later in the day. I will say I had a very productive day. I also want to encourage Chief Handcock to continue to talk to the people who knew Tara and was very close to Tara. Good people and good information.

fsbiii

10-24-2006, 11:57 AM

I think FB411 meant in the past as in the past few months, not before Tara's disappearance.

This supposed "party in the woods" was discussed alot by Sassy or J4T or MakeSomeNoise at one point, and we went down the "how many conspirators does it take to cover up an abduction" theory til it was deleted or ran into the ground.

Maybe FB411 knows more at this point than those individuals did, which was basically nothing.

:shrug:

Originally posted by guitarstring

It was around a celebrated time of Halloween. And using the word party, well, party can be 20 people or it can be a party for only 2. ;)

If you heard that in the past, could that mean that you heard it from Tara? Just had to ask.

fsbiii

10-24-2006, 12:09 PM

Why not ignore RML? This is just as personal of an attack as I've seen on the board, ever. It seems like you enjoy this for some reason, IMO.

Originally posted by guitarstring
RML, could you please post inquiries about the case, or maybe even some constructive discussion about something particular regarding this case? Ask some questions about TARA, give some talking points, spur some interest in a dismissed area, light up a new path....something.
I get frustrated when I want to see helpful adult like discussion about particulars of this case and instead, I see your quick little one liner replies as you hopelessly continue to try to get the last word. You know you don't have to reply to everything somebody says, right? I would like something with some meaningful, helpful substance to talk about and work through. Gossip hungry folks cause trouble and you should have learned that a looooong time ago.

Please, what is your goal in posting? To discuss constructively? This is not "pin the tail on the DONKEY." Are you here to brainstorm with others about what happend to TARA or play "chase?"

I respect everyone's reasons for being here, but please, it seems like so much space is wasted on petty little nah-nah comments that appear to be an attempt to fan the fire off important topics.
The predictability level of your antics is high.

Can't we all just get along?
:shrug:

gagal

10-24-2006, 12:30 PM

Question, :shrug: Does anyone know HD's martial status at this point. It was posted that he and his wife seperated when his involvement was announced. Is this true? Not being nosy, but I would think that if the wife felt that HD just had a "friendly" relationship with T, then she would have stood by her man. Maybe she knew about T & HD and chose to ignore it until it slapped her in the face. I really feel kinda sorry for her. I know people have affairs often, but not everyone gets busted out so publicly. I'm sure she has had a hard time dealing with this. (supposed affair I mean!!!!) It was even hinted at by another poster that maybe HD was protecting someone else.....Would she be that person? JMHO

gagal

10-24-2006, 12:32 PM

Did he state he was sorry over and over because he knew his wife was involved somehow and he failed to protect Tara? (Just a question people, I dont think this is the case at all, but just trying to figure HD out)

readmylips

10-24-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by guitarstring
RML, could you please post inquiries about the case, or maybe even some constructive discussion about something particular regarding this case? Ask some questions about TARA, give some talking points, spur some interest in a dismissed area, light up a new path....something.
I get frustrated when I want to see helpful adult like discussion about particulars of this case and instead, I see your quick little one liner replies as you hopelessly continue to try to get the last word. You know you don't have to reply to everything somebody says, right? I would like something with some meaningful, helpful substance to talk about and work through. Gossip hungry folks cause trouble and you should have learned that a looooong time ago.

Please, what is your goal in posting? To discuss constructively? This is not "pin the tail on the DONKEY." Are you here to brainstorm with others about what happend to TARA or play "chase?"

I respect everyone's reasons for being here, but please, it seems like so much space is wasted on petty little nah-nah comments that appear to be an attempt to fan the fire off important topics.
The predictability level of your antics is high.

Can't we all just get along?
:shrug:

you can actually judge me in good conscience? classic.

ignore me. please. you will obviously be much happier if you do.

best wishes to you. :beer:

readmylips

10-24-2006, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by gagal
Question, :shrug: Does anyone know HD's martial status at this point. It was posted that he and his wife seperated when his involvement was announced. Is this true? Not being nosy, but I would think that if the wife felt that HD just had a "friendly" relationship with T, then she would have stood by her man. Maybe she knew about T & HD and chose to ignore it until it slapped her in the face. I really feel kinda sorry for her. I know people have affairs often, but not everyone gets busted out so publicly. I'm sure she has had a hard time dealing with this. (supposed affair I mean!!!!) It was even hinted at by another poster that maybe HD was protecting someone else.....Would she be that person? JMHO

my understanding is that they got back together but i don't know if that is still the case. i feel for her as well.

Its just me

10-24-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by gagal
Question, :shrug: Does anyone know HD's martial status at this point. It was posted that he and his wife seperated when his involvement was announced. Is this true? Not being nosy, but I would think that if the wife felt that HD just had a "friendly" relationship with T, then she would have stood by her man. Maybe she knew about T & HD and chose to ignore it until it slapped her in the face. I really feel kinda sorry for her. I know people have affairs often, but not everyone gets busted out so publicly. I'm sure she has had a hard time dealing with this. (supposed affair I mean!!!!) It was even hinted at by another poster that maybe HD was protecting someone else.....Would she be that person? JMHO

The information I have is HD's wife left after his involvement with Tara became public or until she heard it but they were back together when I was told this. While I don't rule anything or anyone out HD's wife is not much of an interest to me. MHOO

Its just me

10-24-2006, 08:56 PM

Thank you very much. But don't get carried away. :D

Its Just Me is human like everyone else. Some good and some not so good. Thankful for the good but ashamed of the not so good.
but a :rose: for your kind words. I have to say my main priority was to honor Tara but I went early for the other mission and I did ask questions and I got answers.

concernedperson

10-24-2006, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Good for you, IJM!:beer: I admire the fact that you went to Ocilla, you had a mission, you talked to people, you got information and then you honored Tara at the luminary service and provided a personal service to a lot of folks who couldn't be there, you made sure they had bags and their messages were known. That says so much about the person you are, and who we should all hope to be.

And, if people want to get hung up on punctuation, then I say, IMO, they're missing the message. I got your message and I admire all you've done this past weekend. Of course, it's a fact, but I'll throw in IMO.

Merrick

She is awesome. She is one of the top ten people I want to meet in my life before I die..Makes me glad to "know" her.

Always trying to keep Tara in the forefront and with help and with good thoughts and with appeal for knowledge this just may be done.

I am going to stay positive about justice in this case. I think Tara is at peace now although most of us are not. This is not to say justice is for us as it is not. It is for Tara. Always for Tara.

odette

10-24-2006, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

The information I have is HD's wife left after his involvement with Tara became public or until she heard it but they were back together when I was told this. While I don't rule anything or anyone out HD's wife is not much of an interest to me. MHOO

While I don't rule anything or anyone out HD's wife is not much of an interest to me.

I'm with you IJM. HD wife is not much of an interest to me either. I personally feel that Mrs D's is just an "innocent victim" in all of this. I believe that her husband was having an affair with Tara and I honestly feel for Mrs D's, for all that has ensued since Tara's disappearance. It must be just awful for her. FWIW, she allegedly left HD shortly after Tara vanished but got back with him before the end of 2005.

No, Mrs D's is not on my list of POI but her husband most certainly is. IMO

IMO

readmylips

10-24-2006, 09:29 PM

does anyone know what time hd came back to ocilla on that monday? or who alerted him to come back? or did he just show back up?

concernedperson

10-24-2006, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by readmylips
does anyone know what time hd came back to ocilla on that monday? or who alerted him to come back? or did he just show back up?

Really good question. Any answers?

Its just me

10-24-2006, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

So true, how very true. You and IJM are remarkable people so dedicated to the search for Tara and, from what I've read and seen, life. Today this may be the first time that these boards posted for Tara after the nonsense of earlier today. Send a big thanks to FW.

:rose: :rose: For Tara..................................

Now, lets' get back to what happened to Tara. We all care, well at least most of us do, and that's what we're here to do - find Tara.

Let's see, who was the last man we were talking about; oh, yeah, HD, imo.

Merrick

Great lets get back to Tara. HD was the last person to talk to Tara on her cell phone. About 30 minutes before she left the BBQ according to records provided. My information is HD was with friends watch a ball game. HD made several calls to Tara on Sunday and I think there is possibility HD called more than the 7,8,9 times than Popcorn stated. Whatever the amount he called too much for a married man in MHOO. My information is Tara and HD were more than friends. I believe my source. HD was sitting in Tara's yard at 12:15 Monday AM. He drove from Perry to Ocilla for something and I don't buy he was so concerned he made numerous calls on Sunday (reported he left message saying he was sorry, sorry for what) was sitting in her yard at 12:15 am Monday and turned around and went home. Back at the police station Monday afternoon with a reported tear or two. This may have happened in all innocence but it sure don't look to good to me. HD knows something. What is the question.

fsbiii

10-24-2006, 09:56 PM

FWIW, I've always thought he was probably in Ocilla Sunday afternoon or more than once during the day. Why show up at midnight after a whole day of concern or whatever he calls it? I think he was there before 12:15 am Monday morning. How many times and for what is left to the imagination, IMO.

Originally posted by Merrick

Let's try something else out. What if he was leaving Ocilla at 12:15 AM and decided to call FG because he finished what he thought was his clean up mission. You know we have never established any alibi for this guy. We're all assumiing he"went" to Tara's Sunday eveing/Monday morning. He may have been leaving, IMO. It's an assumption of facts that have not been confirmed.
:)

Its just me

10-24-2006, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Let's try something else out. What if he was leaving Ocilla at 12:15 AM and decided to call FG because he finished what he thought was his clean up mission. You know we have never established any alibi for this guy. We're all assumiing he"went" to Tara's Sunday eveing/Monday morning. He may have been leaving, IMO. It's an assumption of facts that have not been confirmed.
:)

I don't doubt for one second that HD was in town before 12:15 am Monday morning. I would like to know where his cell phone records put him when he made all the calls to Tara on Sunday. But you know we want get that information.

odette

10-24-2006, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Let's try something else out. What if he was leaving Ocilla at 12:15 AM and decided to call FG because he finished what he thought was his clean up mission. You know we have never established any alibi for this guy. We're all assumiing he"went" to Tara's Sunday eveing/Monday morning. He may have been leaving, IMO. It's an assumption of facts that have not been confirmed.
:)

We're all assumiing he"went" to Tara's Sunday eveing/Monday morning.

I've never "assumed" that HD "went" to Tara's house around the time he phoned FG. I suspect that he may have been snooping around Tara's yard/house, under the cover of darkness, for some time before he made the call. IMO

Lindsey

10-24-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by odette

I've never "assumed" that HD "went" to Tara's house around the time he phoned FG. I suspect that he may have been snooping around Tara's yard/house, under the cover of darkness, for some time before he made the call. IMO

Originally posted by Merrick

IMO, we may be talkng about the same thing. He had been there for some time, IMO. He called FG, and OMG, I wish I knew what he told her. He left, he was through, no longer a need to stick around, what a good friend!

I was told "in the early days" that HD was at Tara's house during the daylight hours on Sunday and left his card in her door. That was before Dr G made his announcement that HD was at Tara's house at 12:15am Monday morning. Maybe both of them are correct.

IMO

odette

10-24-2006, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey
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Originally posted by odette

I've never "assumed" that HD "went" to Tara's house around the time he phoned FG. I suspect that he may have been snooping around Tara's yard/house, under the cover of darkness, for some time before he made the call. IMO

I was told "in the early days" that HD was at Tara's house during the daylight hours on Sunday and left his card in her door. That was before Dr G made his announcement that HD was at Tara's house at 12:15am Monday morning. Maybe both of them are correct.

IMO

I was told "in the early days" that HD was at Tara's house during the daylight hours on Sunday and left his card in her door.

I have always remembered that as well Lindsey. In those early days on the very first forum, when so many of the locals were posting, I recall it being discussed about the card being seen in the door on the Sunday, during daylight hours. True or false, I really don't know, just that it was talked about. This was long before we learnt that HD cell-phone records placed him at Tara's house at 12:15am on the Monday.

And ... FWIW ... On that first forum, the amount of times that HD allegedly phoned Tara on the Sunday was always said to be 20+ calls.

IMO

fsbiii

10-24-2006, 11:27 PM

I've often thought caller id might have shown 20+calls from him, but he only left 7-8 messages or whatever # popcorn told us back in the day. Just a thought.

Results

10-24-2006, 11:39 PM

I had asked questions on the lighting at Tara's house several weeks back because I thought maybe he needed a light. I firmly believe that he was at Tara's at 12:15 AM Monday but I'm debating on why he did it. Either he did that to make people think he would have never been that stupid (which BTW most people believe that) or he needed the P's to turn on their light for something. I was thinking the light but a very liable and trustworthy source said the lighting was good so I'm wondering why the P's call would have been important to him. I firmly believe that HD had FG call the neighbors. A very good poster named BFD said in a post once IIRC that it seemed like it was important for someone else to report her missing and not Hawkinsville. IF this is true (which I'm starting to believe that) then HD was behind the phone calls in the middle of the night. JMHO and MOO

readmylips

10-24-2006, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
I've often thought caller id might have shown 20+calls from him, but he only left 7-8 messages or whatever # popcorn told us back in the day. Just a thought.

if the cell phone was left on while on the charger it would have shown # of calls missed and some of that could have come from that. good point.

Results

10-24-2006, 11:45 PM

Another thing.....I am starting to believe that some people in Hawkinsville needed MHu in Ocilla. I'm wondering what did they not want her to see going on in Hawkinsville???? Is it possible that HD, FG, AG, & LG were together before HD, AG, & LG went to Ocilla. Did they think MHu would put two and two together or did they not want MHu to know what was going on thinking she might figure it out? JMHO and MOO

Its just me

10-24-2006, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
I've often thought caller id might have shown 20+calls from him, but he only left 7-8 messages or whatever # popcorn told us back in the day. Just a thought.

My opinion is very strong that there are around 20 or plus calls from HD to Tara on Sunday.

Results

10-25-2006, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Lindsey
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Originally posted by odette

I've never "assumed" that HD "went" to Tara's house around the time he phoned FG. I suspect that he may have been snooping around Tara's yard/house, under the cover of darkness, for some time before he made the call. IMO

I was told "in the early days" that HD was at Tara's house during the daylight hours on Sunday and left his card in her door. That was before Dr G made his announcement that HD was at Tara's house at 12:15am Monday morning. Maybe both of them are correct.

IMO

If this is true then her cell phone or land line would have been ringing and HD would have heard it which I believe he knew Tara was not inside to answer her phone. I think all his calls were staged and I think the messages were stage. A smart Police Captain doing that surely could not be that dumb. I'm not buying it. I will give credit where credit is due....HE IS GOOD! JMHO

odette

10-25-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Results
Another thing.....I am starting to believe that some people in Hawkinsville needed MHu in Ocilla. I'm wondering what did they not want her to see going on in Hawkinsville???? Is it possible that HD, FG, AG, & LG were together before HD, AG, & LG went to Ocilla. Did they think MHu would put two and two together or did they not want MHu to know what was going on thinking she might figure it out? JMHO and MOO

Good point Results .. I would suspect that HD was in contact with the G's that morning ... I have wondered if HD may have spun some "stories" about MH to the G's, before they all set out for Ocilla. Something caused AG to come at MH at the OPD with her "What did you do to my sister" comment, so early on in the piece.IMO

imo

Results

10-25-2006, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by odette

Good point Results .. I would suspect that HD was in contact with the G's that morning ... I have wondered if HD may have spun some "stories" about MH to the G's, before they all set out for Ocilla. Something caused AG to come at MH at the OPD with her "What did you do to my sister" comment, so early on in the piece.IMO

imo

I agree. I'm still baffled by that FG did not call the school to see if she showed up for work. She had been looking for her. She made a phone call in the middle of the night because she was concerned but when Tara would have been at work she didn't call the school to see if Tara had shown up. JMHO

sogalady

10-25-2006, 12:31 AM

Happened to stumble across a "used copy" of the Ocilla Star a couple of days ago. Not sure if this has been discussed recently due to my absence,,,,,,but a lengthy article on the front page about the disappearance of Tara coming up on the anniversary.

While reading the most recent post,, something just dawned on me,,,,,,,, a statement from MHu about how much time that she spent with Tara talking about old times,,,,,,,how long they had been friends,,,,,, and how sometimes that Tara would come by and pick her up and they would visit with FG. ( not exact,, just my recall,, which is tired at the moment )

Just thinking that it seemed that they possibly visited more often that I had imagined in the beginning. The thought keeps running through my mind,,,,,,,they were so close, MHu has to be able to figure something out.

Not sure why I even feel this way,,,can't explain it,,,,,,,,,possibly just knowing how close I am with my best friend,,,,????

( This could fall under the heading,, "What has that got to do with the price of tea in china?") Don't have a clue,, but it seems to ring my bell for some reason,,,,,,,,,, ???

Lindsey

10-25-2006, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Results

I agree. I'm still baffled by that FG did not call the school to see if she showed up for work. She had been looking for her. She made a phone call in the middle of the night because she was concerned but when Tara would have been at work she didn't call the school to see if Tara had shown up. JMHO

I've had those same thoughts. Maybe FG is not an early riser? I don't know but if I was worried enough to call my daughter's neighbor that late at night, I think I wouldn't be able to sleep well until I knew my daughter was okay. But that's just the way I am and I realize everybody is not the same.

JMO

Lindsey

10-25-2006, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by sogalady
Happened to stumble across a "used copy" of the Ocilla Star a couple of days ago. Not sure if this has been discussed recently due to my absence,,,,,,but a lengthy article on the front page about the disappearance of Tara coming up on the anniversary.

While reading the most recent post,, something just dawned on me,,,,,,,, a statement from MHu about how much time that she spent with Tara talking about old times,,,,,,,how long they had been friends,,,,,, and how sometimes that Tara would come by and pick her up and they would visit with FG. ( not exact,, just my recall,, which is tired at the moment )

Just thinking that it seemed that they possibly visited more often that I had imagined in the beginning. The thought keeps running through my mind,,,,,,,they were so close, MHu has to be able to figure something out.

Not sure why I even feel this way,,,can't explain it,,,,,,,,,possibly just knowing how close I am with my best friend,,,,????

( This could fall under the heading,, "What has that got to do with the price of tea in china?") Don't have a clue,, but it seems to ring my bell for some reason,,,,,,,,,, ???

I know exactly what you're saying about best friends. My best friend knows me better than anyone else, besides my husband and children. Since Tara doesn't have a husband or children, I would bet that MHu knows Tara better than anybody.

JMO

Its just me

10-25-2006, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Lindsey

I've had those same thoughts. Maybe FG is not an early riser? I don't know but if I was worried enough to call my daughter's neighbor that late at night, I think I wouldn't be able to sleep well until I knew my daughter was okay. But that's just the way I am and I realize everybody is not the same.

JMO

Lindsey didn't MHu state in her interview with NG that she and FG had been looking for Tara when she got the call that Tara was missing and the police "were on the way" I'm not sure if MHu mentioned a time when she arrived in Ocilla on Monday morning. May have this wrong. BTW I have not heard of much public connection with MHu and AG but a local may can help on this.

Results

10-25-2006, 02:22 PM

kundalini

10-25-2006, 02:28 PM

Possibly it started with FG looking for Tara.
Calls her best friend M and she does a little looking around.
Someone calls in HD.

If it started out as FG asking M to try to find Tara I can see why she would leave everyone else out of the sentence and just state the she and FG had been looking. Everyone else that was contacted and questioned would not be included in the statement.

readmylips

10-25-2006, 02:31 PM

Results

10-25-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by kundalini
Possibly it started with FG looking for Tara.
Calls her best friend M and she does a little looking around.
Someone calls in HD.

If it started out as FG asking M to try to find Tara I can see why she would leave everyone else out of the sentence and just state the she and FG had been looking. Everyone else that was contacted and questioned would not be included in the statement.

I have no doubt that MHu didn't know HD was at Tara's then nor do I believe that FG knew that HD was at Tara's when he called. That is a whole different issue with me. This issue that I am talking about is FG called the P's after midnight to check on Tara but did not call the school at 8 AM to see if she showed up for work....that doesn't make sense....you would think that it would be the first place they called that Monday AM where she should be not looking where she shouldn't be. JMHO

kundalini

10-25-2006, 02:50 PM

merrick - good thought

Results

10-25-2006, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Her best friend, hmmm. Who do you share all your secrets with, you're best friend, right? Maybe MHu knew about what was going on between HD and TG and wanted to sugarcoat the situation in order to respect TG's reputation, HD's for the matter, too. JMO.

Could be but with Tara missing I don't think MHu would be worried about those issues. MHu was first to arrive at Tara's from Hawkinsville, MHu knew how Tara slept, MHu knew that Tara would leave her cell phone to be alone with someone she trust, MHu said both computers were there...MHU seemed to know a whole lot about Tara. I think MHu was worried and wasn't at that time concerned about any relationship. JMHO

kundalini

10-25-2006, 03:01 PM

By leaving her car in the driveway the perp gave him/her self until Monday morning to hide whatever needed to be hid.

Probably assumed no one would be looking for her intently on a Sunday but that is what mothers are for and FG started looking.
Called MHu to ask her MHu probably called other friends - did she call HD MH RR? Who did she check with? How did they react? FG probably called Anita who also didn't know where she was.
This whole time FG and M are probably thinking she could be off with someone. Even as evening approaches and even when it is past midnight. She is a big girl - she could be off with a guy someplace and will either drop off at home before work or get dropped off at school.

Yet they are concerned because she is not answering her phones. Maybe she wanted privacy so they are only half worried. But then again it is not like her. They keep looking. They have no reason to be sure she is missing - just that it is unlike her to neglect her animals for so long. Everyone wants to worry but they keep remembering they could be wrong and embarass her horribly if she shows up at work Monday morning - jumping out of a strange fellows car and everyone is standing there waiting to ask her where she was. So, FG is being hopeful and trying not to step on Tara's toes and into her private life.

When she does not arrive at school everyone who has been contacted and is involved now realize this is serious and has been since at least the time FG started missing her on Sunday.

Results

10-25-2006, 03:07 PM

FG will call a neighbor after midnight but will not call the school at 8? I just don't buy it. Something isn't right. JMHO

Results

10-25-2006, 03:09 PM

I hope my post did not come across as I was being mean. I was just debating your post.

kundalini

10-25-2006, 03:24 PM

If I was her best friend or if her mother also knew of her recent distress, I would have been trying to get inside of her house for fear she had committed suicide. If she was as distraught as some have led us to believe I think her mother would have had someone go in (probably her best friend just in case a guy was there). But maybe she not get that "urgent" feel until after midnight Sunday and was afraid to ask HD to get the key from the P's and check just in case a guy was there.

Her daughter would have been very angry if that was the case.

Maybe Tara was not as emotional and upset as we have been told. If she indicated to MH she would commit suicide and if anybody took it literally I would hope that the people FG and MHu contacted would insist someone get in to her home asap.

Results

10-25-2006, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

No, your post didn't come across as mean to me. It's a very valid point. Why didn't they pursue this issue? IMO, they all knew Tara was an emotional wreck and that some really strange things were going on with her. I do believe kundalini has a very good point that those closest to Tara wouldn't want to embarass her in light of her recent alleged actions. Also, IMO, being embarassed isn't as bad as being gone.

I couldn't have said it better. Thanks!

:beer:

Results

10-25-2006, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by kundalini
If I was her best friend or if her mother also knew of her recent distress, I would have been trying to get inside of her house for fear she had committed suicide. If she was as distraught as some have led us to believe I think her mother would have had someone go in (probably her best friend just in case a guy was there). But maybe she not get that "urgent" feel until after midnight Sunday and was afraid to ask HD to get the key from the P's and check just in case a guy was there.

Her daughter would have been very angry if that was the case.

Maybe Tara was not as emotional and upset as we have been told. If she indicated to MH she would commit suicide and if anybody took it literally I would hope that the people FG and MHu contacted would insist someone get in to her home asap.

I'm interested in the spat that FG and Tara had the weekend before her disapperance which maybe could explain FG's behavior. Don't know. I do believe that Tara was a very social person and I'm wondering how many people called her Sunday and got no answer? Was it usual for her not to answer her phone on Sunday? Was it usual for her not to be at home on Sundays? She had so many phone calls Saturday just wondering how many phone calls besides HD that she got on Sunday? JMHO

cbcrime

10-25-2006, 04:56 PM

I have always wondered about the argument with FG. No one seems to know what it is about. I remember someone mentioning it was no big thing. Things that just happen in families. But I don't remember what poster or what forumn. If anyone has any information about the fight that they can post - would you be so kind as to do so. TIA

odette

10-26-2006, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Its just me

Lindsey didn't MHu state in her interview with NG that she and FG had been looking for Tara when she got the call that Tara was missing and the police "were on the way" I'm not sure if MHu mentioned a time when she arrived in Ocilla on Monday morning. May have this wrong. BTW I have not heard of much public connection with MHu and AG but a local may can help on this.

I don't know if this has been answered yet regarding MHu and FG "looking" for Tara yet but here is what MHu said in a NG interview.

NANCY GRACE ~ CNN ~ Aired January 13, 2006

GRACE: She goes to the cookout, leaves, I think, around 11:00 PM or so to drive back home. You went to her home the next morning, Sunday morning, correct?

HULETT: No, Monday morning.

GRACE: Excuse me, Monday morning. What did you see?

HULETT: I immediately went into the house...

GRACE: Well, why did you go there?

HULETT: I had been -- we had been looking for her, her mother an I had. And then so I went down there that morning, knowing that the police were on their way, and I went in. The police were outside. Well, excuse me...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

Its just me

10-26-2006, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by odette

I don't know if this has been answered yet regarding MHu and FG "looking" for Tara yet but here is what MHu said in a NG interview.

NANCY GRACE ~ CNN ~ Aired January 13, 2006

GRACE: She goes to the cookout, leaves, I think, around 11:00 PM or so to drive back home. You went to her home the next morning, Sunday morning, correct?

HULETT: No, Monday morning.

GRACE: Excuse me, Monday morning. What did you see?

HULETT: I immediately went into the house...

GRACE: Well, why did you go there?

HULETT: I had been -- we had been looking for her, her mother an I had. And then so I went down there that morning, knowing that the police were on their way, and I went in. The police were outside. Well, excuse me...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

Thanks odette I thought MHu had stated she and FG "had been looking" before MHu was notified the police were "on the way".

Results

10-27-2006, 04:28 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jela72
[B]Hello concerned :)

Thanks for your response and comments. I flowed so well with your thoughts, especially the first para. That makes complete sense and yeah ... I follow it. The part that got me completely stumped is the last half:

If he didn't 'get the message' that Tara clearly didn't want to talk to him after placing 20 calls with no reply, then someone swapped sawdust for his brain-cells.

What would possess him to then DRIVE all the way to Tara's house and only to realise perhaps she doesn't want to talk to him ?

My view? This HD POI may have felt 'snubbed' by Tara; he could well be the type who insists on having the last say. (You must know those control freaks.) After all he was indeed brazen and sneaky enough to enter an illicit affair with this lovely woman, on top of being pretty close to the whole family.

He had to have been 'accustomed' to cruising her neck of the woods in his car - to the point her neighbors may have even recognized his vehicle (hence Mr P not wanting to invade Tara's privacy).

And I'll tell you something else: men who enter affairs (esp with beautiful women) are usually those with nothing else in mind other than lust and 'ownership'.

All of the above is mere speculation, based on previous reading and personal understanding and most certainly my own concoction of an opinion (which I'll agree is growing as the ticks and tocks move on... lol).

Nice to 'meet' you! :seeya:

Jel

Results

10-27-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by jela72
On the 'Ocilla Locals' thread, benhill did some sleuthin and posted a link - that's VERY interesting regarding HD. Here's an excerpt from that article, 2 weeks after Tara went missing:

He claims it was a FEW WEEKS before her disappearance when he last saw her, yet he was allegedly right out side her house the w/end she went missing and left his card there? What's up with all of this?

Heath ****s, a police captain from a neighboring community described by one source close to Grinstead as a "friend of hers since they were kids" has been interviewed by investigators.

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." ****s, who has been cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."

Let's hope to goodness he has not 'elected' himself in charge of this investigation basis his 'close ties' to T's family! And GBI HQ is in Perry, right? So is HD.

(He doesn't even say he called Tara's mom, either. Grrrr.)

I have the same concerns on that issue about the Perry GBI handling this case. JMHO

Results

10-27-2006, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by jela72
Same questions lots of folk have, BevAnn. Faye G called the nighbors after HD, sitting outside Tara's house, called Faye to see if Tara was OK (or to that effect). Faye called T's neighbors, the P's - who said everything appeared OK.

My question to all this was: if HD was right outside around 12:15 in full view (walking distance) of the P's residence, why not go and ask them himself (after not getting a response from Tara).

If he was supposed to be looking out for her and her car was there - what could her mom do at that time, other than call the P's.

Something is just NOT adding up, lol...

I'm not buying why the call was made to FG either. JMO

Results

10-27-2006, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson

I understand that facts are necessary and no, I don't think this is American Idol, and in fact I have never watched it.I do wonder why you were kicked out of the Tara Center though. Would you care to share the circumstances?

Just how many people have been kicked out of the Tara Center by AG? Maybe that is why there is no Tara Center? Do you know CP? I never realized just how many people aren't welcome to help find Tara. That is so sad. JMHO

Results

10-27-2006, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by janis
OK, nuther brainstorm.....If and I say "if", SF had told MH about HD being at her house when trouble with AV started....last call is supposedly from HD.....maybe Tara was meeting HD somewhere, rather than being caught at her house again???? Thoughts, anyone?

That is an excellent point.

balaney

10-27-2006, 05:51 PM

HD never would have called FG unless she was very much aware of the relationship and the type of relationship between HD and TG.

I believe FG is the one that requested HD check on TG. Either as a friend of the family or because something had been going on that would make her missing in action for a day/night be a true concern for all who knew what she had been dealing with.

I think FG contacted the P's because possibly whenever Tara went away over night or out of town maybe they watched the house/animals. Maybe FG wanted to make sure Tara was not just visiting an out of town friend at the last moment.

If FG disapproved of any type of relationship between HD and TG I can not see her being cordial with him on the phone nor asking him to drive all the way to her house to check on her. She had MHu or Anita she could have asked. Maybe she tried the P's earlier throughout the day and they were not home.

Results

10-27-2006, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by balaney
HD never would have called FG unless she was very much aware of the relationship and the type of relationship between HD and TG.

I believe FG is the one that requested HD check on TG. Either as a friend of the family or because something had been going on that would make her missing in action for a day/night be a true concern for all who knew what she had been dealing with.

I think FG contacted the P's because possibly whenever Tara went away over night or out of town maybe they watched the house/animals. Maybe FG wanted to make sure Tara was not just visiting an out of town friend at the last moment.

If FG disapproved of any type of relationship between HD and TG I can not see her being cordial with him on the phone nor asking him to drive all the way to her house to check on her. She had MHu or Anita she could have asked. Maybe she tried the P's earlier throughout the day and they were not home.

Very good points. Which make me think that maybe that is why she asked if Tara's car was there but if FG sent HD she would have already known the car was there by HD. So, either she didn't know that HD was there or she knew that HD was there but had reasons not to believe him. JMHO

Results

10-27-2006, 06:12 PM

BTW, a post that popcord made but they are all deleted and how accurate they really are...I don't know. But, he did say that "The only reason Tara's mom called Ms. Portier was because HD had phoned her, which was just after midnight"

odette

10-27-2006, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Results

Very good points. Which make me think that maybe that is why she asked if Tara's car was there but if FG sent HD she would have already known the car was there by HD. So, either she didn't know that HD was there or she knew that HD was there but had reasons not to believe him. JMHO

Which make me think that maybe that is why she asked if Tara's car was there but if FG sent HD she would have already known the car was there by HD.

Touché

FG would have asked HD if Tara's car was there, if in fact she knew that HD was there!. She would of had no reason to ask the P's that particular question. I suspect that HD failed to tell FG that he was in Tara's yard. IMO

readmylips

10-27-2006, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by odette

Touché

FG would have asked HD if Tara's car was there, if in fact she knew that HD was there!. She would of had no reason to ask the P's that particular question. I suspect that HD failed to tell FG that he was in Tara's yard. IMO

i'm not even convinced he really talked to fg that night being as she has never mentioned it.

odette

10-27-2006, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by readmylips

i'm not even convinced he really talked to fg that night being as she has never mentioned it.

Just a thought ..........

Maybe HD originally said something along the lines of, "Best to keep my name out of it", to FG. IMO

Results

10-27-2006, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Ambrosia

FYI, the only people every kicked out of the Tara center were the 2 that were mishandling tips (checking them out on their own before they turned them over to GBI). No one else that I know of has been kicked out of the Tara center. Do you know of more than those 2?
:confused:

Oh, I thought MH, MH friends, MH family, and some LE's were not welcomed and kicked out? The two you are talking about is that why MM left the case and you guys kept it under wraps and the only other one that I think left or something was a Linda woman. Are you talking about them 2 were kicked out? Please correct me if I am wrong. TIA

Results

10-27-2006, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Ambrosia

She hasn't spoken publicly. How could she mention it?
:confused:

What? Who hasn't spoken publicly. We have a person that has not spoken publicly invovled in the case? :shrug:

Results

10-27-2006, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by readmylips

i'm not even convinced he really talked to fg that night being as she has never mentioned it.

So, do you think the cellphone records are a lie? I would think they would have said something by now if HD was not there Sunday night. What do you think RML? JMO

Results

10-27-2006, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by odette

Just a thought ..........

Maybe HD originally said something along the lines of, "Best to keep my name out of it", to FG. IMO

I am still under the opinion that FG did not know. I will think that until it is proven that the cellphone call to FG was a lie. I can't see FG waiting till after midnight to call the P's. IF HD didn't call her then why not call at 9 PM or 10 PM and check on Tara...why wait till after midnight? JMO

odette

10-27-2006, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Ambrosia

FYI, the only people every kicked out of the Tara center were the 2 that were mishandling tips (checking them out on their own before they turned them over to GBI). No one else that I know of has been kicked out of the Tara center. Do you know of more than those 2?
:confused:

Pge 2. of the Locals - why so cryptic?? thread....

suzee
Member

"oops I forgot

The GBI did not ask him to leave. AG sent message that she did not want him there and out of respect for Tara and her family, MH did not go back to the center, but contiued to search."

http://board2.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=7779757#post7779757

Results

10-27-2006, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Ambrosia

The only 2 that were "kicked out" were the 2 that were mishandling the tips. MH & crew were never allowed IN, so therefore they couldn't really be "kicked out" could they? BTW, if you had a suspected murder of a loved one and someone you suspected in the crime wanted to "help", would you let them? IMO, that would be stupid.

BTW, that is what I have been screaming about for months....why let HD know anything, why is HD involved at all with this case. No, I would not let them help so why are they letting someone that is suspected of a crime helping? I think we are on the same page here now, hopefully. By all means correct me if I am wrong. JMHO

odette

10-27-2006, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Ambrosia

The only 2 that were "kicked out" were the 2 that were mishandling the tips. MH & crew were never allowed IN, so therefore they couldn't really be "kicked out" could they? BTW, if you had a suspected murder of a loved one and someone you suspected in the crime wanted to "help", would you let them? IMO, that would be stupid.

Pge 2. of the Locals - why so cryptic?? thread

suzee
Member

"I saw MH search with my own eyes along with his entire family. You may not have seen them, but I was there. He payed for his own helicopter and it was not JH. I was there when the helicopter landed. He was at the center many times until he along was asked not to come back. I don't mean for the words to sound harsh, but what you said was not true and maybe you were just confused. Hope this helps before more rumors get started."

http://board2.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=7779757#post7779757

mooloo

10-27-2006, 07:26 PM

Are you saying that Tara's mom knew about HD and Tara having a "relationship" and approved of it? or did I just read that completelly wrong? I surely hope so....

Originally posted by balaney
HD never would have called FG unless she was very much aware of the relationship and the type of relationship between HD and TG.

I believe FG is the one that requested HD check on TG. Either as a friend of the family or because something had been going on that would make her missing in action for a day/night be a true concern for all who knew what she had been dealing with.

I think FG contacted the P's because possibly whenever Tara went away over night or out of town maybe they watched the house/animals. Maybe FG wanted to make sure Tara was not just visiting an out of town friend at the last moment.

If FG disapproved of any type of relationship between HD and TG I can not see her being cordial with him on the phone nor asking him to drive all the way to her house to check on her. She had MHu or Anita she could have asked. Maybe she tried the P's earlier throughout the day and they were not home.

Results

10-27-2006, 07:37 PM

Results

10-27-2006, 07:43 PM

IF she sent HD because Tara was in danger then why the heck didn't they get help? I surely hope that FG did not send HD to Tara's because she was in danger and then leave not knowing if she is ok or not???? I never believed that because that does not make sense. I am thinking HD started the motions that Sunday night or wee hours and alerted FG. JMHO

odette

10-27-2006, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Odette,

Excellent thought! IMO, that's probably what he did. The only problem with FG keeping quiet about HD being there is that he left his card there, if that's true. I can't recall if that was part of Popcorn's information or if Mr. P said he found it when he unlocked the door for LE:shrug:

IMO, all the folks in the know are here and have confirmed that FG did send HD to check on Tara because she was in danger. It was stated as fact and first hand knowledge so it's true HD was there, IMO.

The only problem with FG keeping quiet about HD being there is that he left his card there, if that's true.

Maybe HD left the card in the door at sometime earlier than the 'middle of the night visit'. Something to ponder........

page 43. of this thread

Lindsey
Member

I was told "in the early days" that HD was at Tara's house during the daylight hours on Sunday and left his card in her door. That was before Dr G made his announcement that HD was at Tara's house at 12:15am Monday morning. Maybe both of them are correct.

odette
Member

I have always remembered that as well Lindsey. In those early days on the very first forum, when so many of the locals were posting, I recall it being discussed about the card being seen in the door on the Sunday, during daylight hours. True or false, I really don't know, just that it was talked about. This was long before we learnt that HD cell-phone records placed him at Tara's house at 12:15am on the Monday. I have always remembered that as well Lindsey. In those early days on the very first forum, when so many of the locals were posting, I recall it being discussed about the card being seen in the door on the Sunday, during daylight hours. True or false, I really don't know, just that it was talked about. This was long before we learnt that HD cell-phone records placed him at Tara's house at 12:15am on the Monday.

And ... FWIW ... On that first forum, the amount of times that HD allegedly phoned Tara on the Sunday was always said to be 20+ calls.

http://board2.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=8686787#post8686787

Results

10-27-2006, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by odette

Maybe HD left the card in the door at sometime earlier than the 'middle of the night visit'. Something to ponder........

page 43. of this thread

Lindsey
Member

odette
Member

http://board2.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=8686787#post8686787

I wonder if FG sent him then too? This guy is all over Tara's that weekend but he is not the #1 POI? Don't you think that is odd? This man can help search for Tara and be allowed with information. Makes no sense at all. Something isn't right that is for sure. JMHO

Lindsey

10-27-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Ambrosia

FG asked HD to check on Tara because they both knew the danger she was in. Believe it or not, most of us really don't care because you end up changing things to suit your theories anyway.

If FG "knew" Tara was in danger, why did she say she didn't believe Tara was dead, when NG was in Ocilla?

Why did AG say she was not worried that Tara had not been found, when Greta was in Ocilla?

But the big question is, if HD "knew" Tara was in danger, why didn't he find out where she was and that she was okay, before leaving Ocilla Sunday Oct. 23, 2005?

If you don't know the answers, I'll wait right here while you go ask them. TIA

IMO

Results

10-27-2006, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

If FG "knew" Tara was in danger, why did she say she didn't believe Tara was dead, when NG was in Ocilla?

Why did AG say she was not worried that Tara had not been found, when Greta was in Ocilla?

But the big question is, if HD "knew" Tara was in danger, why didn't he find out where she was and that she was okay, before leaving Ocilla Sunday Oct. 23, 2005?

If you don't know the answers, I'll wait right here while you go ask them. TIA

IMO

I want to know too. I'll wait right here with you!

fsbiii

10-27-2006, 08:13 PM

And I guess HD's wife split with him, temporarily, just because he was protecting Tara from "the danger"?

IMO, Tara was in as much "danger" as a pig at a Chik-Fi-La. This is an utter crock of conspiracy stew, and it's rancid to the bottom of the bowl.

balaney

10-27-2006, 08:13 PM

Maybe HD did not come in to the picture until AV started causing a problem. Maybe TG confided in her mother that she was worried. HD gets involved (can not confide to local LE for whatever reason).
TG either knows there is about to be a problem or is seeking guidance from HD as how to handle AV.
AV (maybe) sees them together in town discussing this matter and shouts at TG and HD.
That evening HD is at TGs with car parked at P's expecting AV to show up.
TG tried to handle it but things get out of hand.
Someone calls local LE.
Local LE snitches to MH that HD was at T's house.
MH comes home to early just to check it out.
TG finds out he is home and also that he is eyeing a younger woman.
TG contacts him via phone mid OCT to try and rekiindle romance.
He refuses and something is said that upsets her so much MH's parents go to get her and take her home.
She calls in sick the next day. I am unsure about these days but if I had to guess it would be the 13 and 14.
The next day she goes to see MH and tries to explain about AV and HD, etc.;
Does not go well.
TG is very upset about all the happenings and MH does not wish to see her anymore.
Something is said that makes Tara concerned.
She calls HD.
HD shows up at work that week (that woulde make it the week of the 17th and leaves with him.
Possibly HD is trying to convince her to get a restraining order or file some sort of charge.
Not sure what she does but probably nothing.
Tara is missing the following weekend.
HD is very very very sorry - sorry he did not protect her more? Did not insist on filing a charge for some reason?

odette

10-27-2006, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Results

I wonder if FG sent him then too? This guy is all over Tara's that weekend but he is not the #1 POI? Don't you think that is odd? This man can help search for Tara and be allowed with information. Makes no sense at all. Something isn't right that is for sure. JMHO

I somehow doubt that FG sent HD to check on Tara during the day, ie Sunday. She says in a NG interview ..............

"GRINSTEAD: "Well, I started calling her that afternoon and she did not answer the phone. And I didn`t think too much about it at first,........."

To me that doesn't sound as though she would get HD to rush to Ocilla to check on Tara on the Sunday afternoon.

IMO

NANCY ~ CNN

GRINSTEAD: "Well, I started calling her that afternoon and she did not answer the phone. And I didn`t think too much about it at first, but she never called me back. I left her a message and she didn`t call me back because I`d call both phones. But I really didn`t start to get worried until later on in the late afternoon. And when she had not called me back, I began to get concerned then."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

IMO

Results

10-27-2006, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by balaney
Maybe HD did not come in to the picture until AV started causing a problem. Maybe TG confided in her mother that she was worried. HD gets involved (can not confide to local LE for whatever reason).
TG either knows there is about to be a problem or is seeking guidance from HD as how to handle AV.
AV (maybe) sees them together in town discussing this matter and shouts at TG and HD.
That evening HD is at TGs with car parked at P's expecting AV to show up.
TG tried to handle it but things get out of hand.
Someone calls local LE.
Local LE snitches to MH that HD was at T's house.
MH comes home to early just to check it out.
TG finds out he is home and also that he is eyeing a younger woman.
TG contacts him via phone mid OCT to try and rekiindle romance.
He refuses and something is said that upsets her so much MH's parents go to get her and take her home.
She calls in sick the next day. I am unsure about these days but if I had to guess it would be the 13 and 14.
The next day she goes to see MH and tries to explain about AV and HD, etc.;
Does not go well.
TG is very upset about all the happenings and MH does not wish to see her anymore.
Something is said that makes Tara concerned.
She calls HD.
HD shows up at work that week (that woulde make it the week of the 17th and leaves with him.
Possibly HD is trying to convince her to get a restraining order or file some sort of charge.
Not sure what she does but probably nothing.
Tara is missing the following weekend.
HD is very very very sorry - sorry he did not protect her more? Did not insist on filing a charge for some reason?

IF HD shows up at work the week of the 17th then he told a lie on his interview saying he hasn't seen Tara in weeks. According to who was there the neighbors called the police not Tara. Tara didn't answer the door when AV was banging so she didn't try to calm him down or handle it herself. AV was arrested and the arresting officer is not SF that they want it to be. You can't change the truth and when you try to convince people that it is the truth you have to ask why? JMHO

Lindsey

10-27-2006, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by balaney
Maybe HD did not come in to the picture until AV started causing a problem. Maybe TG confided in her mother that she was worried. HD gets involved (can not confide to local LE for whatever reason).
TG either knows there is about to be a problem or is seeking guidance from HD as how to handle AV.
AV (maybe) sees them together in town discussing this matter and shouts at TG and HD.
That evening HD is at TGs with car parked at P's expecting AV to show up.
TG tried to handle it but things get out of hand.
Someone calls local LE.
Local LE snitches to MH that HD was at T's house.
MH comes home to early just to check it out.
TG finds out he is home and also that he is eyeing a younger woman.
TG contacts him via phone mid OCT to try and rekiindle romance.
He refuses and something is said that upsets her so much MH's parents go to get her and take her home.
She calls in sick the next day. I am unsure about these days but if I had to guess it would be the 13 and 14.
The next day she goes to see MH and tries to explain about AV and HD, etc.;
Does not go well.
TG is very upset about all the happenings and MH does not wish to see her anymore.
Something is said that makes Tara concerned.
She calls HD.
HD shows up at work that week (that woulde make it the week of the 17th and leaves with him.
Possibly HD is trying to convince her to get a restraining order or file some sort of charge.
Not sure what she does but probably nothing.
Tara is missing the following weekend.
HD is very very very sorry - sorry he did not protect her more? Did not insist on filing a charge for some reason?

That dog won't hunt. The incident with AV was 6 months before Tara disappeared. MH had been home on a visit and had gone back overseas between the time of the AV incident and Tara's disappearance.

JMO

Moms4Justice

10-27-2006, 08:51 PM

Lindsey

10-27-2006, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

That dog won't hunt. The incident with AV was 6 months before Tara disappeared. MH had been home on a visit and had gone back overseas between the time of the AV incident and Tara's disappearance.

JMO

Bumping for Mom

Results

10-27-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

IIRC, the AV incident happened some six months before Tara went missing how is that incident relative to the week leading up to her disappearance? Was he acting up again and it wasn't reported to LE? IMO, AV being the "danger" is remote. Isn't he like 20 years old? IMO, HD would have handled that on his own. It's a longshot, but, so is everything else, or so it seems. JMO

I'm not talking about the AV incident of the week of the 17th of Oct. That is when HD went to Tara's. He said he hadn't seen her in weeks? That would be false. JMHO

Results

10-27-2006, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Oops (no pun intended) I mistakenly quoted your post when I intended to quote Moms4Justice. I'm in agreement with you. IMO, he hasn't been totally honest about when he last saw Tara. IIRC, a friend and co-worker of Tara's saw him pick her up and noted it because it was unusual behavior for Tara. JMHO

None taken. I'm glad you did quote me because I was responding to several of her items in her post and ran them all together. My bad actually. Just :punch: I should have taken more time to post my reply.

:beer:

concernedperson

10-27-2006, 09:33 PM

It seems from all I have been able to glean is that Tara and Heath were having an affair.His behavior is certainly questionable.

But, other than posts from popcorn nothing has confirmed a card was left nor that FG asked Heath to check on Tara. It seems Heath was doing his own checking and it wasn't because Tara was in danger but rather he thought she was being unfaithful.IMO.

He sounds like a love sick puppy as I have mentioned before.

Granted he is a poi just like others but he knew his whereabouts could be checked.He is a cop. He acted stupidly but he was thinking with another part.

I will be glad to retract if more info is available but this is where my thinking is right now. Open to more discussion.

Its just me

10-27-2006, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson
It seems from all I have been able to glean is that Tara and Heath were having an affair.His behavior is certainly questionable.

But, other than posts from popcorn nothing has confirmed a card was left nor that FG asked Heath to check on Tara. It seems Heath was doing his own checking and it wasn't because Tara was in danger but rather he thought she was being unfaithful.IMO.

He sounds like a love sick puppy as I have mentioned before.

Granted he is a poi just like others but he knew his whereabouts could be checked.He is a cop. He acted stupidly but he was thinking with another part.

I will be glad to retract if more info is available but this is where my thinking is right now. Open to more discussion.

CP, My information is that HD and Tara were having an affair. Don't know neither one so you can't prove it my me but my source knew Tara very well.

Its just me

10-27-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

I have to give creditibility to your source because you were there and talked to folks. Taken as confirmation of an affair. IMO, the dynamics change totally. Illicit affairs often end tragically for one party or the other, IMO. I'm waiting on our resident computer brain, Lindsey, to get back to us on her thoughts about "another woman". Moms4Justice may have opened up another avenue for discussion, IMO. But, like you, I open to any and all possibilities. I just wish we'd get some real facts, this fence sitting gets uncomfortable after a while, if you know what I mean.

Yea, after so long it gets to be a pain in the butt. :D

Moms4Justice

10-28-2006, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by Merrick

Oops (no pun intended) I mistakenly quoted your post when I intended to quote Moms4Justice. I'm in agreement with you. IMO, he hasn't been totally honest about when he last saw Tara. IIRC, a friend and co-worker of Tara's saw him pick her up and noted it because it was unusual behavior for Tara. JMHO

What post by me were you supposedly responding to?
The only post I have on this thread says "very logical"
So sorry if your response to results makes very little sense when your intentions was to respond to two words "very logical"
Can you clarify?TIA
Im just confused a little BTW
I think this same conversations is going on on two different threads. No harm intended.

mooloo

10-28-2006, 09:07 AM

Can I get a big AMEN here???

I agree with you....if someone is in danger, don't call friends...call the closest LE and get them right on it...don't wait for a drive from 90 miles away, don't call a neighbor in the middle of the night....

Originally posted by fsbiii
And I guess HD's wife split with him, temporarily, just because he was protecting Tara from "the danger"?

IMO, Tara was in as much "danger" as a pig at a Chik-Fi-La. This is an utter crock of conspiracy stew, and it's rancid to the bottom of the bowl.

Results

10-28-2006, 01:19 PM

MH cooperated with authorities and activities were well documented before Tara vanished. Dr G e-mailed CTV and said his alibi was too perfect. A member of this board said that before he, Dr. G, left his driveway he stated something to the affect if MH didn't kill him first. Then we have Dr G said he got a death threat but he didn't have *69 to trace his call because it cost money. The article states that the family contacted him so we know that the family thinks MH did it and Dr G made a statement which is so unprofessional to an Ocillian that MH would try to kill him...even if it was in a joking manner it was uncalled for.

Give credit where credit is due there was an article stating MH's whereabouts to give his accounts. But, I know that those that think MH is the perp that he did this to get attention away from him and maybe he did. I don't know MH. However, I think he has tried to help.

HD says in an interview that he and Tara were very close friends from childhood and that he hadn't seen Tara in weeks and he couldn't comment any further to not damage the investigation. A poster clearly states that HD did pick up Tara on the 18th of October of 2005. Tara was last seen on the 22nd of October of 2005. All of you do the math. HD's wife leaves him now how they got back together we can only speculate and take information that we were told. I always take all information given to me to put it on a list going both ways truth or not. Then you add more information to it and an opinion starts to form as if it fits or don't then that is when you start to realize who is telling the truth and who is not. The reason I am saying this is because a source says that HD and Tara were not childhood friends. I believe this source which now makes both statements false that he gave. If you can do the math you don't need a source on the second statement. His actions speak for themselves. He claims Tara was in danger. Now, how does someone that is so good at his job that keeps getting promoted all the way to Captain of a PD drive away twice without knowing Tara is OK? Tara is in danger so he drives 90 miles twice in one day and leaves both times with no answers. I'm not buying that but my real question is how does he account for his whereabout when he went to Tara's twice? What was his reason for going to Tara's twice and making 20 plus phone calls when he was already there at Tara's? JMHO

Its just me

10-28-2006, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Results
MH cooperated with authorities and activities were well documented before Tara vanished. Dr G e-mailed CTV and said his alibi was too perfect. A member of this board said that before he, Dr. G, left his driveway he stated something to the affect if MH didn't kill him first. Then we have Dr G said he got a death threat but he didn't have *69 to trace his call because it cost money. The article states that the family contacted him so we know that the family thinks MH did it and Dr G made a statement which is so unprofessional to an Ocillian that MH would try to kill him...even if it was in a joking manner it was uncalled for.

Give credit where credit is due there was an article stating MH's whereabouts to give his accounts. But, I know that those that think MH is the perp that he did this to get attention away from him and maybe he did. I don't know MH. However, I think he has tried to help.

HD says in an interview that he and Tara were very close friends from childhood and that he hadn't seen Tara in weeks and he couldn't comment any further to not damage the investigation. A poster clearly states that HD did pick up Tara on the 18th of October of 2005. Tara was last seen on the 22nd of October of 2005. All of you do the math. HD's wife leaves him now how they got back together we can only speculate and take information that we were told. I always take all information given to me to put it on a list going both ways truth or not. Then you add more information to it and an opinion starts to form as if it fits or don't then that is when you start to realize who is telling the truth and who is not. The reason I am saying this is because a source says that HD and Tara were not childhood friends. I believe this source which now makes both statements false that he gave. If you can do the math you don't need a source on the second statement. His actions speak for themselves. He claims Tara was in danger. Now, how does someone that is so good at his job that keeps getting promoted all the way to Captain of a PD drive away twice without knowing Tara is OK? Tara is in danger so he drives 90 miles twice in one day and leaves both times with no answers. I'm not buying that but my real question is how does he account for his whereabout when he went to Tara's twice? What was his reason for going to Tara's twice and making 20 plus phone calls when he was already there at Tara's? JMHO

Very good points. I just hope the people doing the questioning goes beyond friends. Just a fact that can not be denied.

Results

10-28-2006, 02:27 PM

The CL has an article called "Privacy Also A Victim in the Tara Grinstead Mystery"

This is an example to make sure what you read if it is truth or not.

This is a post from that article that Mr. Perry wrote:

In it, he said, "Tara is one of the most dynamic and beautiful people I have ever had the pleasure to be close to. I dated her for a long time, and unlike most girls that are no longer with me, I have nothing but great things to say about her. She is a loving, caring, intelligent woman, and anyone that could do her any harm must be close to (S)atan. I hope that somehow she shows up smiling and as brilliant as ever and we can all wake up from this awful dream. From across the globe, I am begging for this.
I will always love Tara Faye Grinstead...J.P."

#1 - Perry, who lives in northeastern Ohio but was raised in the Hawkinsville area where Tara grew up, had long ago dated a very young Tara Grinstead. In an interview with Crime Library, he said that the two had become close while she was a high school freshman and he an older student at the school, and though they didn't date long, they remained friends for years afterwards.

Perry's post said they dated a long time. Perry's interview says they didn't date long. Which one is it?

#2 - They would speak a couple of times a year on the phone, he said, and whenever he found himself in Ocilla, he would touch base with Tara's mother, and if possible, get together briefly with his old friend.

In the #1 he speaks of Hawkinsville the very next paragraph he says Ocilla. This could be a misprint. Maybe Ocilla was put there instead of Hawkinsville or maybe he was speaking of CG in Ocilla. I don't know which one it is. I can only speculate that JP when he was in Hawkinsville her would touch base with Tara's Mom. It is not what it says but because of the #1 statement I would think logicaly he meant Hawkinsville.

You have to start wondering what to believe and who to believe. I just wanted to show an example of how to take the information and use it both ways to be false or truth and then decide for yourself. JMHO

One2Snoop

10-28-2006, 04:52 PM

A member of this board said that before he, Dr. G, left his driveway he stated something to the affect if MH didn't kill him first. Then we have Dr G said he got a death threat but he didn't have *69 to trace his call because it cost money.
The article states that the family contacted him so we know that the family thinks MH did it and Dr G made a statement which is so unprofessional to an Ocillian that MH would try to kill him...even if it was in a joking manner it was uncalled for.

I hope I'm reading this correctly - Dr. G is saying he couldn't use *69 to call back the number? Where I'm from you can use it either one of two ways - charge per use $1.42 and if you sign up for it, it costs $3.23 per month. Again, from my understanding *69 is not something you have to sign up for and is something everyone can use if they choose to do so.

He can't afford a $1.42 to use *69 when he recieved a supposed death threat? :rolleyes:

IIRC, the phone company can trace that call - I mean good lord, a death threat wouldn't you want such a call traced? Did he have the phone company trace it? :shrug:

Path_to_Hope

10-28-2006, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

IMO, it doesn't matter what he has claimed, he's a fraud. In all my years of experience I've never heard of him in any credible manner. He had his 15 minutes of fame, or in this particular case, infamy, and it's a real shame. The bottom line is there is a young woman missing, this is not a circus, no one is making unsubstantiated death threats. We all want to feel important, but, MO, this was not the time for popcorn to lose his kernel. It's shameful, IMO. I believe absolutely nothing he says. JMHO.

Here is a link of a recent case that Pop kernal has worked with while working on Tara's case.

Please check this out:

http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/Michelle%20Bullard%20Geo%20Profiling.htm

One2Snoop

10-28-2006, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

IMO, it doesn't matter what he has claimed, he's a fraud. In all my years of experience I've never heard of him in any credible manner. He had his 15 minutes of fame, or in this particular case, infamy, and it's a real shame. The bottom line is there is a young woman missing, this is not a circus, no one is making unsubstantiated death threats. We all want to feel important, but, MO, this was not the time for popcorn to lose his kernel. It's shameful, IMO. I believe absolutely nothing he says. JMHO.

I completely agree Merrick. :beer: ( ;) I guess I should've said I was being facetious in my post about Dr. G. ) :patriot:

Results

10-28-2006, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by One2Snoop

I hope I'm reading this correctly - Dr. G is saying he couldn't use *69 to call back the number? Where I'm from you can use it either one of two ways - charge per use $1.42 and if you sign up for it, it costs $3.23 per month. Again, from my understanding *69 is not something you have to sign up for and is something everyone can use if they choose to do so.

He can't afford a $1.42 to use *69 when he recieved a supposed death threat? :rolleyes:

IIRC, the phone company can trace that call - I mean good lord, a death threat wouldn't you want such a call traced? Did he have the phone company trace it? :shrug:

O2S, that is exactly what I thought. The type of business that he is in I would think that *69 would have been important for him to have on his phone. JMHO

odette

10-28-2006, 08:05 PM

The R

10-28-2006, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
And I guess HD's wife split with him, temporarily, just because he was protecting Tara from "the danger"?

IMO, Tara was in as much "danger" as a pig at a Chik-Fi-La. This is an utter crock of conspiracy stew, and it's rancid to the bottom of the bowl.

Oink?? LOL.........

OK.....so I gotta ask this most likely stupid question......If HD and Tara WERE seeing each other then all the talk of her being in danger, IF there was talk, would've/could've been perpetrated by HD AND Tara as a ruse to justify his presence in Ocilla to her family? There were also the emails LG stated he received from her re danger, correct? SO this would IMO implicate Tara along with HD if indeed there was ever any talk of danger.

Any chance her alleged argument with her Mom could've been about HD?

Just all MO.

R

concernedperson

10-28-2006, 11:38 PM

It is hard to go back in time. But, when I was communicating with fluffies and HD came up it was to reiterate Godwin's theory. Heath was there because FG wanted him there to help. The argument was my take to explain inaccuracies and mine alone unless there is a news link.I see this from time to time and can't believe it has a life.

I am sure I threw it out as a possibility not a fact. So, do not take it as a fact.I was trying to justify why Tara and her mom could have been at odds.But, I honestly dont know. I want to be as truthful as I can be after having been mislead. I hope no facts were misconstrued but apparently some were. Tara and her mom were not having an argument as far as I know. It was a supposition on my part.

jond

10-31-2006, 07:04 PM

What is the source for the TG/FG dispute?

jond

10-31-2006, 07:27 PM

C-P-, my question is not directed to you, but I have seen this TG/FG alledged dispute brought up before and wondered where it came from or was it just a 'this could have happened' scenario regarding TG/FG, not the basis for a dispute, but whether a dispute happened at all.

MATTHEWsevenone

10-31-2006, 07:42 PM

This deserves to be bumped. I recall the Private messages month ago eluding to an argument Tara had with her mom but I too could never get any straight answers about its validity. I hope someone can help bring some clarity.

:seeya:

readmylips

10-31-2006, 09:28 PM

tara told some of her friends that she had a disagreement with her mother the weekend prior to her disappearance and she came home from her visit early because of it. one of her friends told me about the conversation. i fully believe that tara told her this. it is not a rumor imo. i do not know what the subject of the disagreement was. personally, i don't find it to be a slight toward tara or her mother. what woman has not had a disagreement with her mother? it would be interesting to know what the disagreement was about but i doubt it has relevance to her disappearance.

Its just me

11-01-2006, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
This deserves to be bumped. I recall the Private messages month ago eluding to an argument Tara had with her mom but I too could never get any straight answers about its validity. I hope someone can help bring some clarity.

:seeya:

I hope any information posted concerning this will have much more crediability than ItsJustMe's informtion did on another board. I would suggest anyone make D*** sure the LE personally told you before providing much information.

Lindsey

11-01-2006, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

I hope any information posted concerning this will have much more crediability than ItsJustMe's informtion did on another board. I would suggest anyone make D*** sure the LE personally told you before providing much information.

Don't forget the eyewitness with a tape recorder ... nah, make that a video camera! But WAIT ... who was behind the video camera that actually turned the camera on and taped the whole thing?? Was it a MAN or a WOMAN and what kind of shoes were they wearing? What COLOR shoes?

Uh ... what was the question again? Sorry.

Its just me

11-01-2006, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Its just me

I hope any information posted concerning this will have much more crediability than ItsJustMe's informtion did on another board. I would suggest anyone make D*** sure the LE personally told you before providing much information.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Originally posted by Lindsey

Don't forget the eyewitness with a tape recorder ... nah, make that a video camera! But WAIT ... who was behind the video camera that actually turned the camera on and taped the whole thing?? Was it a MAN or a WOMAN and what kind of shoes were they wearing? What COLOR shoes?

Uh ... what was the question again? Sorry.

Don't remember the question Lindsey but before I get my eyebrows plucked by someone I want to correct a booboo I made.

[[ ItsJustMe's informtion did on another board.]] Should have been...ItsJustMe's information on another thread. (not another board):punch: I knew better. :D

readmylips

11-01-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Its just me
Originally posted by Its just me

I hope any information posted concerning this will have much more crediability than ItsJustMe's informtion did on another board. I would suggest anyone make D*** sure the LE personally told you before providing much information.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't remember the question Lindsey but before I get my eyebrows plucked by someone I want to correct a booboo I made.

[[ ItsJustMe's informtion did on another board.]] Should have been...ItsJustMe's information on another thread. (not another board):punch: I knew better. :D

darn. i guess i have to put away those tweezers now.

:lol:

Results

11-02-2006, 05:37 PM

The GBI processed the house so why didn't they take the sheets, clothes, and car? That is not local LE that didn't do it it is the GBI who didn't do it! JMHO

readmylips

11-02-2006, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by OopsItsAdel

How do you know what GBI took and what they left?
:D

that's pretty much common knowledge.

Its just me

11-02-2006, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Merrick

Good question. Why wasn't Tara's home secured and processed as a potential crime scene? IMO, local LE and subsequently the GBI had sufficient cause to believe that something was wrong. Too many people were concerned about Tara's whereabouts for them to assume from the onset that she left of her own accord. IMO, erring on the side of caution and securing her home and vehicle would have been the smart thing to do. But, so many people had been in and out between the time Mr. P went in and the time the GBI finally showed up to take over. IMO, any evidence collected at the point would be tainted.

GBI went to Tara's to investigate and collect evidence. They arrived at approx. 3:00 pm on Monday and worked into early hours Tuesday am. They left the house unsecured and the car. The car was washed and many people in and out of the house days upon days. GBI return 2 weeks later when the necklace was found by someone and weeks into the case the GBI came and got Tara's car. :shrug:

readmylips

11-03-2006, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by OopsItsAdel

No, not really.

yes, it is. its been discussed a zillion times in the last year. sorry to bust your bubble.

Results

11-03-2006, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by OopsItsAdel

How do you know what GBI took and what they left?
:D

I KNOW! You would be surprised of what I know! :D

readmylips

11-03-2006, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Loud and Gay

JP, why do you always have to treat people the way you do? There are many things that have been discussed that maybe people haven't seen yet due to threads and posts being deleted.

FINALLY! a nic that suits you! :lol:

PNut

11-03-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by OopsItsAdel

Thank you for that timeline.

The fact still remains that GBI has the car. And they've had it for quite some time.
;)

And this proves what?? :shrug:

PNut

11-03-2006, 04:04 PM

It proves nothing, like everything else you bring to the table.:rolleyes:

readmylips

11-03-2006, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by OopsItsAdel

LOL....Quite a bit has been discussed "a zillion times" in the past year, and the majority has been very far from the truth.

:rolleyes:

for someone who thinks they know so much you sure spit out a lot of junk. why dont you enlighten us if you have so many truths?

mooloo

11-03-2006, 06:55 PM

Methinks the CeeBee crowd has moved in. Perhaps they ran out of grape KoolAid over there or they had no takers and they got lonely?

Originally posted by Merrick

You seem to serve no purpose on this board, you contribute nothing. What are you hired to be? Oh, I forgot, Go Team Go! Rah, Rah and all that!:D Duh!

luvmy2labpups

11-03-2006, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by OopsItsAdel

Thank you for that timeline.

The fact still remains that GBI has the car. And they've had it for quite some time.
;) Maybe they are keeping it to prevent it from any further unnecessary drives to a car wash? :confused:

readmylips

11-03-2006, 07:19 PM

i have really begun to believe that whoever the nicswitcher is has victimized everyone. i believe that this person has found sport in creating conflict and has done a pretty good job of it. i am not going to attribute this persons foolishness to anyone else. i have spent a lot of time thinking about this today and i am afraid that we have all been hoodwinked by one lone troublemaker. two at the most.

consider this. if this person is telling the cb group fabulous lies and is convincing enough perhaps they have been victimized as much as those who have been accused of crazy things. i have communicated with people who have been told things that were not true and they believed it and formed strong opinions against others because of it. it took them a while to wise up but they did. normal people do not expect to be lied to and manipulated in a situation as serious as this. i have to ask myself if maybe that same thing has happened to me. has the nicswitcher presented themself as being representative of others when in fact they are just the thorn in the lions paw? has the nicswitcher caused me to think he or she represents others when indeed that is just not the case?

there are people in the world who just do not fit in. for whatever reason they don't feel that they are an inclusive part of society. the internet has given them a tool that allows them to be whoever and whatever they want to be. and what do they want to be? in control. powerful. they want to belong. be in the in crowd. be somebody. unfortunately some use message boards like this as a tool in their pursuit of these things. it gives them the satisfaction that their daily real life lacks. and they feed on it.

our nicswitcher may just be one of those sad individuals. the nicswitcher has yet to show any sort of substantiation for any of the nonsense he/she splatters on the board. just a lot of hot air. i am not even upset anymore when i read the junk he/she posts. its so off the wall its amusing and the intelligent people are not taken in by the antics.

no. i am not going to associate the nicswitcher with anyone. i will let him or her stand on his own. alone. isolated. the place he/she is desperately trying to get away from.

but i sure would like that 2 grand oops promised me for that ldt. got me all excited for nothing!

:lol:

concernedperson

11-03-2006, 07:56 PM

You aren't getting your money from that group/individual. That is the standard offering when all else fails. Entice w/ something tangible, invoke a response,stand back when you are called on it.

Gibberish and BS, that is the new standard unless anyone has something new to discuss.

Even though we have some "questionable" posters it raises more questions. I believe a lot of this comes from a campy group that is staying silent on other things.Because the water went from cool to warm. JMO. The postings lead to that conclusion and of course, my interpretation could be wrong.

Its just me

11-03-2006, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by mooloo
Methinks the CeeBee crowd has moved in. Perhaps they ran out of grape KoolAid over there or they had no takers and they got lonely?

Adel is following the same path that Georgia Peach followed. Sad situation for Georgia Peach. Decent person in real life but used big time by the cb's hope adel at least stands alone with the confussion and distraction by some intellegent remarks but some remarks are off the charts on the nonintellegent scale.

readmylips

11-03-2006, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Loud and Gay

Who died and left the CTV forum to your camp?

Your post just confirmed what several people have been saying.

huh? that was very confusing, loud and gay

Atok

11-03-2006, 10:36 PM

Just in case people don't know, the CTV forum is not a prize, reward or inheritance to one camp or another to own or claim.

It is over run abusively at times and is difficult to keep it clear of BS, but it's owned by none of the posters.

gacountry

11-04-2006, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Merrick

Really? How so? Go over to the CB forum and see if there are any posts going on. It was a very specific and very factual statement. IMO, the folks who are registered on the CB forum don't post there anymore, it's a fact. Not only that, they don't respond to posters who want to post. Why?

I do not post often on the CB board anymore Because I was tired of everything I posted being copied and pasted to here. I do not post here because I am tired of being constantly rediculed and recieving very bad taste pms
I still support the family but I hold no hard feeling toward anyone. I have no person that I can say harmed Tara but I still want her family to have closure.
I am tired of the bickering from both sides and from those in the middle.
something happened to Tara, she is the only one I am worried about. If she is alive she must be in awful turmoil to let people worry as they have, If she was harmed we all want closure.
Now that is my entire take on this year I have spend reading and worring, has it been worth it, yes. Would I do it again, yes. Have I grown from this, yes. I have found that people hurt each other even people working for the same goal hurt each other bad and deep. I no not want to be part of that. I will be here because Tara has that ability to wrap herself around you once you start to search for her and you can't get loose. I take this to be a sincere plea for us to find her. If we could quit fussing and start back brainstorming we might could. All in my own humble opinion.

readmylips

11-04-2006, 10:10 AM

gacountry
is this oopsitsadel character known to you as they try to portray they are?
how about the new loud and gay one?
has it dawned on you yet that the things that some of your friends have done has created the debaucle that you are now witnessing?
have you or any of your friends realized yet that you were used to create drama?
for a moment i thought that maybe some of you were realizing that something was not quite right about the behavior of a couple in that group. i'd like confirmation of that if you'd be willing to offer it.

there is lots of water under that proverbial bridge but maybe with oopsitsadel on the verge of a total breakdown here, now is a good time for some people to step up and acknowledge that they have been under the influence of someone or someones with delusional motives.

instead of all the silly insinuations, why not encourage people to speak clearly and sort through the delusions that create such drama. if there is something that troubles a person or they believe someone has done something, why not just spell it out and allow discussion on it instead of making innuendos, creating mayhem and then running off to create a new nic? like i said yesterday, i have come to believe that there is one or maybe 2 people behind this and they are enjoying the fruits of their labor. why not put a stop to the games once and for all and just get to the bottom of it? they are victimizing you too imo.

this post is not intended to cause more strife. i'd just like to see some conversation that leads to clearing this silliness up so we can move back to the important subject.

Originally posted by gacountry

I do not post often on the CB board anymore Because I was tired of everything I posted being copied and pasted to here. I do not post here because I am tired of being constantly rediculed and recieving very bad taste pms
I still support the family but I hold no hard feeling toward anyone. I have no person that I can say harmed Tara but I still want her family to have closure.
I am tired of the bickering from both sides and from those in the middle.
something happened to Tara, she is the only one I am worried about. If she is alive she must be in awful turmoil to let people worry as they have, If she was harmed we all want closure.
Now that is my entire take on this year I have spend reading and worring, has it been worth it, yes. Would I do it again, yes. Have I grown from this, yes. I have found that people hurt each other even people working for the same goal hurt each other bad and deep. I no not want to be part of that. I will be here because Tara has that ability to wrap herself around you once you start to search for her and you can't get loose. I take this to be a sincere plea for us to find her. If we could quit fussing and start back brainstorming we might could. All in my own humble opinion.

gacountry

11-04-2006, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by readmylips
gacountry
is this oopsitsadel character known to you as they try to portray they are?
how about the new loud and gay one?
has it dawned on you yet that the things that some of your friends have done has created the debaucle that you are now witnessing?
have you or any of your friends realized yet that you were used to create drama?
for a moment i thought that maybe some of you were realizing that something was not quite right about the behavior of a couple in that group. i'd like confirmation of that if you'd be willing to offer it.

there is lots of water under that proverbial bridge but maybe with oopsitsadel on the verge of a total breakdown here, now is a good time for some people to step up and acknowledge that they have been under the influence of someone or someones with delusional motives.

instead of all the silly insinuations, why not encourage people to speak clearly and sort through the delusions that create such drama. if there is something that troubles a person or they believe someone has done something, why not just spell it out and allow discussion on it instead of making innuendos, creating mayhem and then running off to create a new nic? like i said yesterday, i have come to believe that there is one or maybe 2 people behind this and they are enjoying the fruits of their labor. why not put a stop to the games once and for all and just get to the bottom of it? they are victimizing you too imo.

this post is not intended to cause more strife. i'd just like to see some conversation that leads to clearing this silliness up so we can move back to the important subject.

Igrew tried of keeping nics straight long ago. Both sides have done a fair amount of that, me, I am me wherever I go. But that is not the part that gets me. Its the grade school way we go about anyone that come on and voices an opinioin period. I have grown so tired of seeing good people with good thoughts on both sides and down the middle ridiculed and embarassed just because they found themselves wrapped into the Tara search. Once long ago you told me even after all that has happened you would do the same if another disappeared, and I am afraid I will too. BUT I have learned a lot and some has not been good life experiences. But I would like to come on line ONE day and see Tara the main topic on the Tara board. I read lots of other boards on CTV and some even act like adults! It is pleasant to visit with them.
Not putting anyone down just voicing my own humble opinion.
Oh and no I do not have a clue as to who these nics are, I have no idea who anyone is except thoose that have the same nics or writting style. Now back to Tara.

readmylips

11-04-2006, 10:53 AM

i gave you an opportunity to step up to the plate and affect change and you declined.

carry on. i wont try again.

Originally posted by gacountry
Igrew tried of keeping nics straight long ago. Both sides have done a fair amount of that, me, I am me wherever I go. But that is not the part that gets me. Its the grade school way we go about anyone that come on and voices an opinioin period. I have grown so tired of seeing good people with good thoughts on both sides and down the middle ridiculed and embarassed just because they found themselves wrapped into the Tara search. Once long ago you told me even after all that has happened you would do the same if another disappeared, and I am afraid I will too. BUT I have learned a lot and some has not been good life experiences. But I would like to come on line ONE day and see Tara the main topic on the Tara board. I read lots of other boards on CTV and some even act like adults! It is pleasant to visit with them.
Not putting anyone down just voicing my own humble opinion.
Oh and no I do not have a clue as to who these nics are, I have no idea who anyone is except thoose that have the same nics or writting style. Now back to Tara.

Atok

11-04-2006, 10:57 AM

I also believe some person(s) have joined into this search and are mentally warped. I think they have created fabrications and fed them to well-meaning good people and those well meaning people took them at face value and proceeded from there.

I think it's a snowball out of control.

ANYONE can be misled when they are expecting honesty.

I encourage people from early on to go back to the day they became aware of the case...

Identify what they learned, who they heard it from and ASSUME each person was LYING TO THEM.

RIP the blinders off. I don't care if you heard it from AG or FG or HD or MH or SF all these people are too close and all can be influenced by someone else. I don't care if you heard it after the weekly prayer meeting from the pastor themself, because I believe even AG may have been fed bad information.

I think she may have taken it at face value and that belief has colored everything since.

If people would consider this, and just take a completely objective view and try to piece things together from there we will see what's left.

What's left should be questions to be answered and a shot at the truth and maybe an end to the division.

readmylips

11-04-2006, 11:03 AM

very well said atok. i agree completely. i believe that change could happen if people would read what you said here closely and really absorb it. who knows where that might take us if it happened. it could be a very good thing.

Originally posted by Atok
I also believe some person(s) have joined into this search and are mentally warped. I think they have created fabrications and fed them to well-meaning good people and those well meaning people took them at face value and proceeded from there.

I think it's a snowball out of control.

ANYONE can be misled when they are expecting honesty.

I encourage people from early on to go back to the day they became aware of the case...

Identify what they learned, who they heard it from and ASSUME each person was LYING TO THEM.

RIP the blinders off. I don't care if you heard it from AG or FG or HD or MH or SF all these people are too close and all can be influenced by someone else. I don't care if you heard it after the weekly prayer meeting from the pastor themself, because I believe even AG may have been fed bad information.

I think she may have taken it at face value and that belief has colored everything since.

If people would consider this, and just take a completely objective view and try to piece things together from there we will see what's left.

What's left should be questions to be answered and a shot at the truth and maybe an end to the division.

gacountry

11-04-2006, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by readmylips
i gave you an opportunity to step up to the plate and affect change and you declined.

carry on. i wont try again.

Now I am up to the plate but how in the heck can I affect change? If it is saying who someone is when I have no IDEA I decline. If it is spew forth venom and information I do not know, I decline. I came into this for Tara Faye Grinstead and I will be here for Tara Faye Grinstead until we find something, a communication saying she is fine or a report from a hospital that she is not fine or even the dreaded truth if we find her dead. But I think you will agree we need to find something one way or the other so the madness can cease. I just wish we could get back to Tara and leave out our petty selves.

readmylips

11-04-2006, 02:48 PM

you can affect change by discussing openly the crazy theories that have caused so much drama. the majority of the wild accusations that have caused so much derailment have come from the people you have associated with. you have first hand knowledge of it and an opportunity to clear things up. i could care less who anyone is and i didnt ask you to identify anyone. i asked if you knew 2 specific posters and a yes or no was sufficient. i wasnt spewing venom and i specifically said in my post that my intention was not to create strife.

the key to clearing the smokescreen that has been created is in putting cards on the table and getting out from behind the innuendos. lets just get things out in the open so it can be addressed like adults and the focus can be put back on logical thought. too much time is spent on childish games.

isn't it way past time to do away with that? i thought maybe you'd welcome that opportunity but i guess i was wrong. i tried. its all i could do.

reread atoks post. maybe it will make more sense.

Originally posted by gacountry
Now I am up to the plate but how in the heck can I affect change? If it is saying who someone is when I have no IDEA I decline. If it is spew forth venom and information I do not know, I decline. I came into this for Tara Faye Grinstead and I will be here for Tara Faye Grinstead until we find something, a communication saying she is fine or a report from a hospital that she is not fine or even the dreaded truth if we find her dead. But I think you will agree we need to find something one way or the other so the madness can cease. I just wish we could get back to Tara and leave out our petty selves.