The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by simply quiet


As a "newbie" are you going to add to the discussion?

I am getting sick and tired of these new nics that come in and say....."Hi folks, I am new..........blah blah blah." All they do is troll around, never join in a discussion. No one really cares if anyone is new or not if they can add to the conversation, or voice a theory or an idea.

Sure I'll add to the discussion instead of just "trolling around" lol.
Ok, heres what I think:
I think TG was murdered and that it could have been out of rage but, more than likely planned. I think the perp knew where she was and when she would be home. As to who did it, I honestly don't know. I'm not accusing anybody. It sounds like to me that TG knew folks in Irwin/Ben Hill as well as a lot of other places with school and so it could be anybody. IMO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


Sure I'll add to the discussion instead of just "trolling around" lol.
Ok, heres what I think:
I think TG was murdered and that it could have been out of rage but, more than likely planned. I think the perp knew where she was and when she would be home. As to who did it, I honestly don't know. I'm not accusing anybody. It sounds like to me that TG knew folks in Irwin/Ben Hill as well as a lot of other places with school and so it could be anybody. IMO

Why rage as opposed to accident? And thank you for giving your opinion.

[Son Of A Gun]

While everyone is on the subject of discussing MH, I have some questions for anyone that may know the answer. Awhile back, there were posts on this MB stating that MH slept in a coffin, shot a childs dog because it growled at him, he has a fixation with guns and explosives, he has disrepect toward women, he may have been released from the military early and his military records are sealed. What I would like to know is, did anyone ever post if any of this was true or not?

As far as HD goes, I am wondering if maybe the GBI has told him he can't discuss this case and his alibi with anyone since he was the last known person at Tara's house before her disappearance was report on the 24th. Maybe HD told the GBI something about the reason for the 8 phone calls to Tara that night.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


It was a joke, read my PM from earlier today.:) It's like what PTA did to Gooch with their nic, now their using your nic. It's not very subtle. You must be hitting some pretty sensitive nerves, IMO.

No offense meant, IJM.:beer:

Okey Dokey...No problem I didn't think you meant anything but you know me I will ask questions and I did not want any newbie getting my DNA matched up with Its Just Janice I don't read my pm's very often but will go look. :)

[Results]

Originally posted by Son Of A Gun
While everyone is on the subject of discussing MH, I have some questions for anyone that may know the answer. Awhile back, there were posts on this MB stating that MH slept in a coffin, shot a childs dog because it growled at him, he has a fixation with guns and explosives, he has disrepect toward women, he may have been released from the military early and his military records are sealed. What I would like to know is, did anyone ever post if any of this was true or not?

As far as HD goes, I am wondering if maybe the GBI has told him he can't discuss this case and his alibi with anyone since he was the last known person at Tara's house before her disappearance was report on the 24th. Maybe HD told the GBI something about the reason for the 8 phone calls to Tara that night.

LMAO and to think Tara wanted him back? So, what was soooooo good about him that Tara wanted so bad. After almost 6 years he had to have some good qualities. I'm more interested in the Adult than the child. Lord only knows the things I did when I was a child. I'm crazy about guns but don't know anything about explosives. MH being in the military he may know about explosives. I don't know the man. However, it appears that since you want to talk about MH.....I can't help you out. If you want to talk about HD which we are trying to discuss then please enlighten us. You know so much about MH maybe you know HD too. Oh, wait, hmmmm, HD was a perfect child too? LMAO JMSAO

[Son Of A Gun]

Originally posted by Results


LMAO and to think Tara wanted him back? So, what was soooooo good about him that Tara wanted so bad. After almost 6 years he had to have some good qualities. I'm more interested in the Adult than the child. Lord only knows the things I did when I was a child. I'm crazy about guns but don't know anything about explosives. MH being in the military he may know about explosives. I don't know the man. However, it appears that since you want to talk about MH.....I can't help you out. If you want to talk about HD which we are trying to discuss then please enlighten us. You know so much about MH maybe you know HD too. Oh, wait, hmmmm, HD was a perfect child too? LMAO JMSAO

I think you need to re-read my post. I never said or claimed to know anything about MH. I am trying to figure out fact from fiction in this case. Many threads gets deleted seems like every week. I have no agenda other than trying to find out the truth with every suspect. no need to be rude to me and please stop degrading me and making fun of me.

[Son Of A Gun]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Give everyone a break. You threw those "topics" out to just gossip and rumor-monger the board a little more. Funny how those MH sizzlers made the short list, huh? Maybe we can find out about that crop duster, press conference, and voice activated recorder that Tara had in her house, too.



Yeah, I forgot about the crop duster and the VAR that was mentioned. What ever became of all of that?

This thread is to discuss Tara's ex-boyfriends isn't it?

[Son Of A Gun]

Originally posted by Son Of A Gun
While everyone is on the subject of discussing MH, I have some questions for anyone that may know the answer. Awhile back, there were posts on this MB stating that MH slept in a coffin, shot a childs dog because it growled at him, he has a fixation with guns and explosives, he has disrepect toward women, he may have been released from the military early and his military records are sealed. What I would like to know is, did anyone ever post if any of this was true or not?

As far as HD goes, I am wondering if maybe the GBI has told him he can't discuss this case and his alibi with anyone since he was the last known person at Tara's house before her disappearance was report on the 24th. Maybe HD told the GBI something about the reason for the 8 phone calls to Tara that night.

Bumping this to see if anyone can answer these questions without being rude now that rwin Indian gets to be the first person on my ignore list.

I have a right to post here and join in conversations and add theories just as much as anyone else does here. When I came on here and read todays posts, the talk was about MH this and MH that. I don't know MH and I don't know Tara. What I see is that things were posted about MH that I don't have a clue if it is true or not. I also see that MH has told his version of Tara, but we really do not know Tara's version do we?

We don't know HD's story, nor any other POI's story. MH is really the only person I have heard things about over and over other than ML which I haven't seen talk about him in along time.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Son Of A Gun


We don't know HD's story, nor any other POI's story. MH is really the only person I have heard things about over and over other than ML which I haven't seen talk about him in along time.

Like you said.....MH has been talked and talked about over and over again. IMO......most of us have moved on to other POI's.

There just isn't anything there to say MH is more likely a subject then HD or LG or AG....IMO. So lets get their stories out.

[Results]

Originally posted by Son Of A Gun


I think you need to re-read my post. I never said or claimed to know anything about MH. I am trying to figure out fact from fiction in this case. Many threads gets deleted seems like every week. I have no agenda other than trying to find out the truth with every suspect. no need to be rude to me and please stop degrading me and making fun of me.

Well, sine you didn't read the other thread where the men in Tara's lives were discussed except the one post about the coffin. Please reread that thread. It will help you to understand that we just about all know what kind of underwear MH wears but can't get close enough to HD to even look him in the eye. Rude to you.....no. Degrade you....by no means whatsoever did I do that. Make fun of you.....guilty as charged! Your post just showed my theory on the other thread overnight bag right here at good ole CTV. Therefore, it was extremely funny to me. JMHO

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by Its just me


If you notice that is how things usually works. Each of us have at least one good asset that is God given. Some brains, some hair, some a pretty face, etc.

........and some have all 3:)

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by Son Of A Gun


Bumping this to see if anyone can answer these questions without being rude now that rwin Indian gets to be the first person on my ignore list.

I have a right to post here and join in conversations and add theories just as much as anyone else does here. When I came on here and read todays posts, the talk was about MH this and MH that. I don't know MH and I don't know Tara. What I see is that things were posted about MH that I don't have a clue if it is true or not. I also see that MH has told his version of Tara, but we really do not know Tara's version do we?

We don't know HD's story, nor any other POI's story. MH is really the only person I have heard things about over and over other than ML which I haven't seen talk about him in along time.



Since you mentioned ML I read that he burt down that house on Snap Dragon Rd. Why did he do that?

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by barry9120


Okay 'Lil Ollie, back to the streets with you. You're not going to get over this time. We're on to you. Post a little differently if you want to use different nics. You gave yourself away with your style, or lack thereof, IMO. It's time for your next bowl of gruel. You really don't belong here and don't pm me anymore about your past relationship with MH, okay?

IMO.

I have never had a relationship with MH. I never dated him. Lets see, back in the day there was..... DCh, PR, RM,and JN- which I can't stand to this day, and etc...... but, no MH. You must have me confused with somebody else. But......... as far as using different nics you have, @ least 3 right?

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


I have never had a relationship with MH. I never dated him. Lets see, back in the day there was..... DCh, PR, RM,and JN- which I can't stand to this day, and etc...... but, no MH. You must have me confused with somebody else. But......... as far as using different nics you have, @ least 3 right?

Oh, one more thing...... I have just as much right to be here as you, AP

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
You catch up quick for being new here. Where did you read that ML burt down that house? I never saw that.



I can't remember where I read it. You don't have to be so hateful to me, you know?

[Its just me]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


........and some have all 3:)

Right some have all 3 but I am only interested in the ones with the brains on a message board.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


I have never had a relationship with MH. I never dated him. Lets see, back in the day there was..... DCh, PR, RM,and JN- which I can't stand to this day, and etc...... but, no MH. You must have me confused with somebody else. But......... as far as using different nics you have, @ least 3 right?

Do you know MH or have you ever even been to Ocilla. I'm getting both pictures. Which is it.

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by Its just me


Do you know MH or have you ever even been to Ocilla. I'm getting both pictures. Which is it.

Yes I've been to Ocilla. (lol) Dont really "know" him, more like-- know of him. Not accusing MH and hope it wasnt him or anybody from Ocilla/Ben Hill. ---- JMO

[Gooch]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


Oh, one more thing...... I have just as much right to be here as you, AP

Hey You talkin to me or Barry..... I am AP .... He is Surely not. He is not even a member at TT... LMAO .. I have only 1 name .. That is Gooch... It surely don't take long for you guys to show your colors... This also shows me how you have been trying to set me up. It amazes me how your imagination and paranoia takes control.. I am not Irwin Indian.. I am not odette, I am not Barry.. I am only Gooch... Never been anything else .. I have nothing to hide .. so I don't need multiple names like you guys do.. I tell who I am why don't you guys?.. I know why ... GUTLESS Cowards. Can't stand behind what you say.. If you have nothing to hide.. you would not hide.. Pretty cut and dried..

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by Gooch


Hey You talkin to me or Barry..... I am AP .... He is Surely not. He is not even a member at TT... LMAO .. I have only 1 name .. That is Gooch... It surely don't take long for you guys to show your colors... This also shows me how you have been trying to set me up. It amazes me how your imagination and paranoia takes control.. I am not Irwin Indian.. I am not odette, I am not Barry.. I am only Gooch... Never been anything else .. I have nothing to hide .. so I don't need multiple names like you guys do.. I tell who I am why don't you guys?.. I know why ... GUTLESS Cowards. Can't stand behind what you say.. If you have nothing to hide.. you would not hide.. Pretty cut and dried..




Me, a gutless coward? Ha, you know darn well who I am as I have all but spelled it out for you. Let me just say this:
I feel for Tara and her family,friends,searchers etc.....
with that said, I also feel for MH and his family, HD and his, and every other POI and their families. I don't know who is responsible and neither do u or anyone else on this board. None of us know exactly what took place concerning TG.
Let me pose this question.....
Why in the heck can't appologies be made or whatever and have a big search all together? It could happen but it probably want b/c of manys childesh attitudes. This is about a girl who is missing (who has possibly been murdered) who was not a perfect person as nobody is but, whom most (myself included) believe was a good person.
You know, if I went missing tomorrow, I know now exactly how it would play out-
There would be a lot of people who cared but were too stuborn to give up their petty, arguments, to find me and thats so freakin sad!!

[gacountry]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29





Me, a gutless coward? Ha, you know darn well who I am as I have all but spelled it out for you. Let me just say this:
I feel for Tara and her family,friends,searchers etc.....
with that said, I also feel for MH and his family, HD and his, and every other POI and their families. I don't know who is responsible and neither do u or anyone else on this board. None of us know exactly what took place concerning TG.
Let me pose this question.....
Why in the heck can't appologies be made or whatever and have a big search all together? It could happen but it probably want b/c of manys childesh attitudes. This is about a girl who is missing (who has possibly been murdered) who was not a perfect person as nobody is but, whom most (myself included) believe was a good person.
You know, if I went missing tomorrow, I know now exactly how it would play out-
There would be a lot of people who cared but were too stuborn to give up their petty, arguments, to find me and thats so freakin sad!!


BINGO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


Yes I've been to Ocilla. (lol) Dont really "know" him, more like-- know of him. Not accusing MH and hope it wasnt him or anybody from Ocilla/Ben Hill. ---- JMO

I was just wondering if you knew how large Ocilla was and if you knew exactly where MH is from. :D

[Its just me]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


Sure I'll add to the discussion instead of just "trolling around" lol.
Ok, heres what I think:
I think TG was murdered and that it could have been out of rage but, more than likely planned. I think the perp knew where she was and when she would be home. As to who did it, I honestly don't know. I'm not accusing anybody. It sounds like to me that TG knew folks in Irwin/Ben Hill as well as a lot of other places with school and so it could be anybody. IMO

I think you are correct in your thinking it could be anyone if Tara was harmed. The who is the question and that is why people discuss different people. I also think Tara could have left on her own and if she did she had to have help. so "who. I think this "who" could involve a "who" in the harmed theory but we are still back to "who". I also consider Tara harmed herself but another "who" would have to involved because Tara is still missing. So here we all sit with a great big ole Who and What.

[Gooch]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29
Why in the heck can't appologies be made or whatever and have a big search all together?

The day that AG,PS,CS,MM,KV,DP,RQ,GC,HP,DG,JB,CB,MG,LF, (and I know there are more that I left out so if its you don't get your feelings hurt..._)

The day that all of these people walk up onto my porch as a group and appologiize ANd explain the reason for for the lies and accusations they used to try and do harm to me, my wife, my children, my reputation and my business I will then consider the explainations one by one and forgive as I understand the hatred they have.

LOL... Don't think you could get a peep out of most of um. I would certainly appologize if I had been lying in anyway. Remember.. Documentation tells the story.. I ID myself and stand behind my words.. can they?.. Nope .. WHy?.. Because it is a lie.

"You can't handle the TRUTH"

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


Gooch,

Thanks for clearing that up:beer:

BUMPING TO GET BACK ON TOPIC - HD - AG - LG

What're thay up to?

IMO and no offense intended.

{{What're thay up to?}}

That's the part I have never understood. Some of the duplicates could have great discussions but for some reason they had rather pick and play games with out getting serious and saying what they think. We all know that most of the duplicates think MH had something to do with harming Tara. Well hey, why not come on board and discuss what you think in a calm manner. If you post something about MH and you get blasted by a poster that is pro MH stand your ground in a firm way and a discussing may just get started and MH might get off the POI list or he may remain. If you want to discuss MH fight like hell to finally get through the mess like we all have to do with the mess you anti MH posters start to get our thought through.
I for one am open for any discussions. May not agree with you but willing to discuss anthing involving the disappearance of Tara but rather not discuss a poster as an individual and neither should anyone else want to. MHOO

[Gooch]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29
Ha, you know darn well who I am as I have all but spelled it out for you.

No I don't know who you are and if you wanted me to know you would have told me in PM.. I am weary of playing games and catching hints..

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Gooch


The day that AG,PS,CS,MM,KV,DP,RQ,GC,HP,DG,JB,CB,MG,LF, (and I know there are more that I left out so if its you don't get your feelings hurt..._)

The day that all of these people walk up onto my porch as a group and appologiize ANd explain the reason for for the lies and accusations they used to try and do harm to me, my wife, my children, my reputation and my business I will then consider the explainations one by one and forgive as I understand the hatred they have.

LOL... Don't think you could get a peep out of most of um. I would certainly appologize if I had been lying in anyway. Remember.. Documentation tells the story.. I ID myself and stand behind my words.. can they?.. Nope .. WHy?.. Because it is a lie.

"You can't handle the TRUTH"

Gooch this is another thing I have never understood. I have come to the conclusion that you and your wife are administrators at the Talk Tara board where there has always been open discussions (as ctv thankfully has allowed for the last few days). If I read correctly these people are anti MH people as AG was in the beginning. For some reason this group and AG is hell bent on proving that MH harmed Tara and because you have allowed discussions to reach out beyond this theory you my friend is on their s*** list and it is so sad that they have done so much harm to you and your family all in the name of a theory. If their theory is this strong to do this much harm to you and your family don't hold you breath for an apology because unless a divine intervention from God accurs they will remain with their heads in the sand. As an outsider I see not only harm done to you and your family but look where this strong theory has brought AG and LG to....right dab in the middle of the poi list. A sad situation if AG and LG had nothing to do with the disappearance of Tara and they can only blame themselves by their own actions beginning on day one. JMHOO.

[Gooch]

All I want is for people to tell the da*n truth. Be honest.. and do no harm.. I feel very uncomfortable with the sympathy you all show for us.. We have been involved for one reason and that is to find Tara.. period.. no book .. no tabloids.. no newspapers no TV.. no fame no fortune.. no thanks.. I have never seen anything an crazy as the way people have acted around this case. From Day 1 it was a fiasco with crazy conflict.. right when you think it can't get any crazier .. them boom, a whole new level of idiots.. It looks like to me the troops are growing slim.. There are only a few hard core followers left ... and they are much like Jesters in the Queen's court .. They make you laugh and no one takes them seriously..

[cbcrime]

Okay I'm roflmao. When I read Gooches post - I read Jeters instead of Jesters. So all I could think of was Jeters from the tv show Evening Shade. What a picture.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Gooch
All I want is for people to tell the da*n truth. Be honest.. and do no harm.. I feel very uncomfortable with the sympathy you all show for us.. We have been involved for one reason and that is to find Tara.. period.. no book .. no tabloids.. no newspapers no TV.. no fame no fortune.. no thanks.. I have never seen anything an crazy as the way people have acted around this case. From Day 1 it was a fiasco with crazy conflict.. right when you think it can't get any crazier .. them boom, a whole new level of idiots.. It looks like to me the troops are growing slim.. There are only a few hard core followers left ... and they are much like Jesters in the Queen's court .. They make you laugh and no one takes them seriously..

{{I feel very uncomfortable with the sympathy you all show for us.. }}

Gooch consider it like this...We all usually reap what we sow...and you must to have sown some good seed along the way and its just time to reap a few rewards. What is so great is that you receive them without pride. Says a lot about ya. God Bless You and and your family. IJM

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Why rage as opposed to accident? And thank you for giving your opinion.

It could have been accident or rage who knows? :shrug:

[Results]

Alrighty then!!!!!! Shall we continue on........?

I would like anyone that knows or even heard a rumor about if HD went to Hawkinsville that Monday morning after he seen that Tara was not home. Now, an interview said that FG and MHu were looking for Tara in Hawkinsville. Let us please go back to this Monday AM.....I think it is very important. You have the school looking for her, you have HD looking for her, you have FG & MHu looking for her. Neighbor goes and opens Tara's house and Tara's car with a set of keys. Anybody that can help me out ..... I sure will appreciate it. TIA

[Results]

Another question also. Looking at Tara's house through pictures we see that it is a corner lot. Is there a street light on that corner? Usually a street light is on the corners of the neighborhood. How dark is it if you walked up to her house at 12:15 AM in October? Time doesn't change until right before Halloween so when does dawn break? If a car is pulling into her drive way would the car lights flash into a neighbor's window or door and the same as if someone in a vehicle pulled out of her driveway would that flash through a neighbors window or door? If HD parked his car in her driveway would he disturb a neighbor by going into or out of her driveway? If HD did in fact pull into her driveway is there lights where we can see what he is doing or would he need a flashlight? If he walked from the neighbors how much light did he have and was he familiar with the setup of the house and yard that being in the dark he knew where to go? Why didn't Dolly bark while he was there? TIA for any help!

[odette]

Originally posted by Results
Alrighty then!!!!!! Shall we continue on........?

I would like anyone that knows or even heard a rumor about if HD went to Hawkinsville that Monday morning after he seen that Tara was not home. Now, an interview said that FG and MHu were looking for Tara in Hawkinsville. Let us please go back to this Monday AM.....I think it is very important. You have the school looking for her, you have HD looking for her, you have FG & MHu looking for her. Neighbor goes and opens Tara's house and Tara's car with a set of keys. Anybody that can help me out ..... I sure will appreciate it. TIA

I too would like to know if there was ANY contact between HD and the G's that Monday BEFORE they all came to Ocilla. Oh we've heard that AG "heard" it first, regarding Tara's disappearance, at her work that morning but I'm not buying that.


IMO

[Results]

We still don't know what the spat was about between TG and FG......that could be important too. One more thing if TG and AG was not close then someone was feeding AG full of MH or it wasn't a holiday yet and she hadn't talked to Tara since the last one and just assumed MH was still in her life. I don't know. JMO

[odette]

Originally posted by Results
Another question also. Looking at Tara's house through pictures we see that it is a corner lot. Is there a street light on that corner? Usually a street light is on the corners of the neighborhood. How dark is it if you walked up to her house at 12:15 AM in October? Time doesn't change until right before Halloween so when does dawn break? If a car is pulling into her drive way would the car lights flash into a neighbor's window or door and the same as if someone in a vehicle pulled out of her driveway would that flash through a neighbors window or door? If HD parked his car in her driveway would he disturb a neighbor by going into or out of her driveway? If HD did in fact pull into her driveway is there lights where we can see what he is doing or would he need a flashlight? If he walked from the neighbors how much light did he have and was he familiar with the setup of the house and yard that being in the dark he knew where to go? Why didn't Dolly bark while he was there? TIA for any help!

Time doesn't change until right before Halloween so when does dawn break?

Ocilla ~ Sunday October 23 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:42 am

Ocilla ~ Monday October 24 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:43 am

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by Gooch
All I want is for people to tell the da*n truth. Be honest.. and do no harm.. I feel very uncomfortable with the sympathy you all show for us.. We have been involved for one reason and that is to find Tara.. period.. no book .. no tabloids.. no newspapers no TV.. no fame no fortune.. no thanks.. I have never seen anything an crazy as the way people have acted around this case. From Day 1 it was a fiasco with crazy conflict.. right when you think it can't get any crazier .. them boom, a whole new level of idiots.. It looks like to me the troops are growing slim.. There are only a few hard core followers left ... and they are much like Jesters in the Queen's court .. They make you laugh and no one takes them seriously..




You know, I think a lot of people want her found. Maybe one day she will be. Its a pity though that people can't get along and work together to find her, but that will never happen.......not in tiny Ocilla anyway. b/c people can't put their own feelings aside long enough for that to happen. It's such a let down.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29





You know, I think a lot of people want her found. Maybe one day she will be. Its a pity though that people can't get along and work together to find her, but that will never happen.......not in tiny Ocilla anyway. b/c people can't put their own feelings aside long enough for that to happen. It's such a let down.

Don't feel that way....keep discussing the case.

That's the problem IMO, people have stopped talking.

I think everyone here knows that I am of the belief that she is ok. and has for some reason decided to take a turn in her life that wasn't expected by most. I firmly believe that someone helped her that Sunday morning, and that someone swore to Tara to tell no one till Tara decided it was time.

But I am willing to listen to all alternatives.

So far, I can't find anyone with a motive to kill her.:shrug:

[georgiapeach29]

Please let me just say one more thing and then I will shut up and everybody please if you would just think about this-

Lets all (including myself) step back for a moment and look at this. All the locals like myself who are or were especially.

I'm not a "newbie" as I said although I am new to this board. I know and realize that strong words have flown left and right (I've been guilty of it lately). I know that this has been hurtful for many people and famlies in the Irwinville area and thats sad. But, just think how Tara's family feels
They did'nt loose a friend or x-girlfriend, teacher etc (although thats terriable too) but they lost their daughter, sister, aunt, cousin etc.....they may never see her again. It doesnt matter how close AG and TG were b/c they were/are sisters. I have a cousin who I am not close at all too but, you can bet your bottom dollar if she went missing, I would be swimming in the creeks, ponds etc to find her. Just like AG is trying so hard to find her sister. What about MH and HD etc if they're innocent then they not only lost a friend/x-girlfriend they've been accused of something awful. They're families have been through hell too. Enough is enough imo Lets get together as one and find her!! Whos with me??

[Results]

Originally posted by odette




Ocilla ~ Sunday October 23 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:42 am

Ocilla ~ Monday October 24 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:43 am

Thank you for researching and finding that out. That seems kind of late for a sunrise. Very interesting. Once again thank you for the info.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29
Please let me just say one more thing and then I will shut up and everybody please if you would just think about this-

Lets all (including myself) step back for a moment and look at this. All the locals like myself who are or were especially.

I'm not a "newbie" as I said although I am new to this board. I know and realize that strong words have flown left and right (I've been guilty of it lately). I know that this has been hurtful for many people and famlies in the Irwinville area and thats sad. But, just think how Tara's family feels
They did'nt loose a friend or x-girlfriend, teacher etc (although thats terriable too) but they lost their daughter, sister, aunt, cousin etc.....they may never see her again. It doesnt matter how close AG and TG were b/c they were/are sisters. I have a cousin who I am not close at all too but, you can bet your bottom dollar if she went missing, I would be swimming in the creeks, ponds etc to find her. Just like AG is trying so hard to find her sister. What about MH and HD etc if they're innocent then they not only lost a friend/x-girlfriend they've been accused of something awful. They're families have been through hell too. Enough is enough imo Lets get together as one and find her!! Whos with me??

I am with you.

We need to hash the whole story out. Without hard feelings.

This is always a problem on CTV.....lots of friends and family post. And usually.....eventually..... we find some common ground and try to rspect all the differences in opinions.

I respect everyone.....I may disagree with some, but I never mean to hurt anyones feelings.

[georgiapeach29]

What I posted came from my heart. I respect your opinion.







barry9120 [/i]


I hope your post is sincere. IMO, there is a core group who post here because we sincerely want to do whatever we can to find Tara. If you read through the threads you'll see that this core group can agree to disagree without any drama, IMO. However, it's the flood of "newbies" who register with new nics for the sole purpose of posting to cause discontent and to derail discussion. IMO, no one is questioning the depth of the pain Tara's family, friends and students are feeling and no one is questioning the uncomfortable position that MH, HD, AV and LG have been put in because of their relationships with Tara.

Most posters on this forum have been acting as a team to share ideas and theories to find Tara. If you would like to be on the team, let me make one suggestion and no offense intended, please stop trying to bait other posters, stick on topic and don't make it personal. IMO, if you think you know who a poster's real identity or suspect who someone may be, keep it to yourself or pm them if you feel compelled to do so. The majority of us have one nic that we post with, we don't come out under a new nic if discussion is going against our opinions. We stick by our opinions while respecting others and, lo and behold, some of us actually change our positions!!! You'll also see a lot of the nics who post here over at other forums like TT (not me though), CB, WS, etc. on Tara threads. You'll also see a lot of us here post on other forums throughout CTV.

These are just my opinions and thoughts on how we can move forward with the least amount of contentious postings and try to find Tara.

So, I guess my question to you is, are you with us?

MOO and IMO and JMHO and no offense intended. [/QUOTE]

[Results]

We sure could use some help from local individuals from Perry and Hawkinsville, GA. I don't know if out of fear they don't post or why they wouldn't try to help in our quest to find Tara. I wish we had more local individuals like Gooch who reveals who he is because it sure makes him more believable. I hope people will follow his footsteps. We sure could get the show rolling if we had that. JMHO

[Results]

There is something else just driving me crazy. The P's got home from the farm around 7:30 PM after dar...Tara's car was at the house and no lights were on. Almost 5 hrs later as 12:15 AM HD says he sees a dim light.....possibly a computer monitor light or something like that. Almost 6 hrs later the porch light is on and the jack-o-lantern light is also on. Who turned these lights on?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29
What I posted came from my heart. I respect your opinion.







barry9120 [/i]


I hope your post is sincere. IMO, there is a core group who post here because we sincerely want to do whatever we can to find Tara. If you read through the threads you'll see that this core group can agree to disagree without any drama, IMO. However, it's the flood of "newbies" who register with new nics for the sole purpose of posting to cause discontent and to derail discussion. IMO, no one is questioning the depth of the pain Tara's family, friends and students are feeling and no one is questioning the uncomfortable position that MH, HD, AV and LG have been put in because of their relationships with Tara.

Most posters on this forum have been acting as a team to share ideas and theories to find Tara. If you would like to be on the team, let me make one suggestion and no offense intended, please stop trying to bait other posters, stick on topic and don't make it personal. IMO, if you think you know who a poster's real identity or suspect who someone may be, keep it to yourself or pm them if you feel compelled to do so. The majority of us have one nic that we post with, we don't come out under a new nic if discussion is going against our opinions. We stick by our opinions while respecting others and, lo and behold, some of us actually change our positions!!! You'll also see a lot of the nics who post here over at other forums like TT (not me though), CB, WS, etc. on Tara threads. You'll also see a lot of us here post on other forums throughout CTV.

These are just my opinions and thoughts on how we can move forward with the least amount of contentious postings and try to find Tara.

So, I guess my question to you is, are you with us?

MOO and IMO and JMHO and no offense intended. [/QUOTE]

Well Georgia....I am glad you found someone you can trust.

Now I am sure...Barry will lead you through the tough questions very gently..right Barry?

Thank you Georgia for not leaving. We are all with you respectfully..

[Results]

This is just a theory but what if HD went inside of Tara's house before 12:15 AM ... we really don't know when he got there and when he left. What if something spooked him which prompt him to call FG to place him there and an excuse to be there if anyone did indeed see him. Covering all basis. It's dark....maybe a noise, maybe a light coming on....he panicked. One thing is for sure if HD could get out of his vehicle and be outside Tara's home investigating and nobody saw him then how many other nights did he go over there that nobody in Ocilla knows about? JMO

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by Results
There is something else just driving me crazy. The P's got home from the farm around 7:30 PM after dar...Tara's car was at the house and no lights were on. Almost 5 hrs later as 12:15 AM HD says he sees a dim light.....possibly a computer monitor light or something like that. Almost 6 hrs later the porch light is on and the jack-o-lantern light is also on. Who turned these lights on?

Just a thought but, could it be that the perp was in the house with the computer on searching for emails or other data that could be harmful to him if found and then harmed her and took her or could it be that he had already harmed her and came back to the house to search for something on her computer that might incriminate him?

[georgiapeach29]

So it could have happened between 12:15 am and 6:15 am. It would have still been dark then if the sun came up around 7:43 am. foggy and dark.

[Results]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


Just a thought but, could it be that the perp was in the house with the computer on searching for emails or other data that could be harmful to him if found and then harmed her and took her or could it be that he had already harmed her and came back to the house to search for something on her computer that might incriminate him?

IMO that would be a great risk.....unless he has done this so many times that he didn't have to worry about someone seeing him. We know someone from another Town was there in the wee hours of the morning and noone saw him. JMO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


Just a thought but, could it be that the perp was in the house with the computer on searching for emails or other data that could be harmful to him if found and then harmed her and took her or could it be that he had already harmed her and came back to the house to search for something on her computer that might incriminate him?

Do you think someone was in her house when she got home? Who ??? MH was not he was elsewhere at the bar.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by barry9120


Ditto this!

Gooch,

I'm assuming that the owners of those initials are all adults, is this correct? If so, you said something in your post that ticked me off. You said they not only harmed you and your wife but your CHILDREN! I don't know how old your kids are but with kids of my own I would not be very easy to deal with if anyone in anyway emotionally, physically or mentally harmed my children because of my decisions and my actions.

I'm truly sorry for you and your family. I hope that these people come to realize the truth and make amends.

JMO no offense intended.
No parent in their right mind would sit back and let someone harm their children. And why discuss it here? Just press charges.

[odette]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29
So it could have happened between 12:15 am and 6:15 am. It would have still been dark then if the sun came up around 7:43 am. foggy and dark.

Sorry but I'm not following what you mean ... "it could have happened between 12:15 am and 6:15 am". What exactly do you mean by "it"?.

[Results]

I'm a little confused here. I'm talking about the 12:15 AM when HD was there. We don't know when he left. If we are talking about that night then that would mean that HD would be the #1 POI. JMHO

[Results]

How I wished we could find out for sure if more than one person really saw her in her car Sunday afternoon. I just can't imagine why someone would make that up. JMO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by barry9120


Well Georgia....I am glad you found someone you can trust.

Now I am sure...Barry will lead you through the tough questions very gently..right Barry?

Thank you Georgia for not leaving. We are all with you respectfully..

SQ,

Anything for you!

barry [/B][/QUOTE]

How sweet Barry thank you

And I see Broadway Joey has shown up.....Now Georgia you should feel right at home.

No need to leave.

Lets just get some answers.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Results
How I wished we could find out for sure if more than one person really saw her in her car Sunday afternoon. I just can't imagine why someone would make that up. JMO

IIRC, it was a teenage boy who said he saw her drive thru town Sunday afternoon. I have always wondered if he saw her Saturday afternoon instead. It seems it would have been about the same time she was said to have left to go to Fitzgerald for the pageant.

I really think we would have heard about it more than just the one time it was mentioned, if it really was Sunday.

I don't know. Just a thought ....

[odette]

Originally posted by barry9120


I posted yesterday or the day before an excerpt of an article where the journalist describes Tara's neighborhood at night as being so quiet that even the crickets seemed to be whispering and that there would be no way anyone could have abducted Tara without being noticed. IMO, HD knew this. He was probably banking on the idea that at that time of night on a Sunday/early Monday most of Tara's neighbors would be asleep. Maybe it was too cool that night for windows to be open so he was counting on no one hearing him, either, IMO. Here's what I think and it's all hinged on timing I can't prove, IMO. What if FG coincidentally called JP to check on Tara by asking if the car was there at the same time HD was there and HD noticed JP at the window looking at TGs house? HD may have assumed that JP saw him and then called FG to let her know he was there checking up on TG and she wasn't answering her phones or door. IMO, it could have been a set of coincidental activities. But, that brings me back to why HD was there at all and here's where I'm going out on the limb of trouble. Where was HD Saturday night and all day Sunday until 12:15 am Monday morning? Does anyone know? Was he separated from his wife in Oct 05? What if someone was there cleaning up loose ends, checking on things, making sure they didn't leave anything behind? Oh, yeah, that pesky little latex glove. That was left behind. IMO, if someone went back into Tara's house and they could because they had her keys, they wouldn't put on any lights to alert the neighbors that someone was there and they wouldn't go in during the daylight or early evening when folks are up watching 60 Minutes and the Sopranos, right? Maybe JP just happened to check Tara's after FG called at about the same time the POI was leaving the house for the last time. The next day, the crying and all could be something other than guilt, IMO. By the time AG, LG and HD got to the OPD HQs, JP had already given a statement and he didn't mention seeing HD. IMO, the crying could have been relief and the release of all that tension. Just my humble opinion, only a theory, just a thought, doesn't mean anything can't be proved, etc. Not pointing any fingers.

MOO and IMO and JMHO no offense intended.



HD may have assumed that JP saw him and then called FG to let her know he was there checking up on TG and she wasn't answering her phones or door.

I've often wondered the exact same thing .. perhaps Tara's phone ringing spooked him as well.


IMO

[Results]

Originally posted by Lindsey


IIRC, it was a teenage boy who said he saw her drive thru town Sunday afternoon. I have always wondered if he saw her Saturday afternoon instead. It seems it would have been about the same time she was said to have left to go to Fitzgerald for the pageant.

I really think we would have heard about it more than just the one time it was mentioned, if it really was Sunday.

I don't know. Just a thought ....

Thank you Lindsey. I often wondered if this is one of the main reasons that LE thinks she left on her own. I don't know?

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


Could the porch light and jack-o-lantern been on a timer? I'm notorious in my neighborhood for my holiday lights, every holiday as a matter of fact, so I put them on timers so as not to run up my electric bill and to not disturb my neighbors. IMO, Tara had good reason to keep the porch light on timer - her schedule was hectic and she took night classes.

That dim light that HD "claims" he saw - well, what if he turned on the computer like posted earlier to make sure there were no incriminating email messages and this is more CYA, IMO. Maybe Tara's password was known or written down somewhere or maybe she left her mailbox open being a single person living alone she didn't have to worry about her spouse or kids nosing around, IMO. Maybe the computer was just turned on to provide a dim light that would be less noticable than an overhead light or lamp? Or maybe it's all BS and there was no dim light, IMO. Did JP see a light?

No offense intended - MOO

That is the only logical theory that I have heard so far about the lights. I wonder if anyone knows if she had that kind of light setup. IMO

[odette]

Originally posted by Results
How I wished we could find out for sure if more than one person really saw her in her car Sunday afternoon. I just can't imagine why someone would make that up. JMO

Maybe they saw Tara's car and just assumed that she was the person driving it.

[lighthousedazy]

Originally posted by odette


Maybe they saw Tara's car and just assumed that she was the person driving it. Very possible; but in a small town like Ocilla would there be more than one car exactly like Taras, possible but probably not. jmo

[Results]

Originally posted by lighthousedazy
Very possible; but in a small town like Ocilla would there be more than one car exactly like Taras, possible but probably not. jmo

I read her post as it was Tara's car but could it have been another driver and they assumed it was Tara. I don't know but that is what I got out of her post. JMO

[odette]

Originally posted by Results


I read her post as it was Tara's car but could it have been another driver and they assumed it was Tara. I don't know but that is what I got out of her post. JMO

thank you Results ... that is exactly what I meant.

[lighthousedazy]

Originally posted by Results


I read her post as it was Tara's car but could it have been another driver and they assumed it was Tara. I don't know but that is what I got out of her post. JMO Agree Results, I guess that was the point I was trying to make. Just wondering if there was another car exactly like Tara's in Ocilla.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by lighthousedazy
Very possible; but in a small town like Ocilla would there be more than one car exactly like Taras, possible but probably not. jmo

It was said by many locals in the early days that Tara's car was "one of a kind" in Irwin County.

Of course, there is always the possibility someone else could have been passing through in a car just like hers.

JMO

[Results]

Originally posted by lighthousedazy
Agree Results, I guess that was the point I was trying to make. Just wondering if there was another car exactly like Tara's in Ocilla.

Now days you never know. I know that when I go to the HS to handle anything with my daughter I always noticed that most of the kids are riding in better vehicles than the teachers. JMO

[Results]

Lindsey,

Can you tell us anything about HD? If you can that would be great but if you can't I understand that too.

:beer:

[lighthousedazy]

Originally posted by Results


Now days you never know. I know that when I go to the HS to handle anything with my daughter I always noticed that most of the kids are riding in better vehicles than the teachers. JMO I know exactly what you mean by that. My husband is a former teacher. In my day it was the 57 chevys, etc. jmo

[odette]

Originally posted by barry9120


I posted yesterday or the day before an excerpt of an article where the journalist describes Tara's neighborhood at night as being so quiet that even the crickets seemed to be whispering and that there would be no way anyone could have abducted Tara without being noticed. IMO, HD knew this. He was probably banking on the idea that at that time of night on a Sunday/early Monday most of Tara's neighbors would be asleep. Maybe it was too cool that night for windows to be open so he was counting on no one hearing him, either, IMO. Here's what I think and it's all hinged on timing I can't prove, IMO. What if FG coincidentally called JP to check on Tara by asking if the car was there at the same time HD was there and HD noticed JP at the window looking at TGs house? HD may have assumed that JP saw him and then called FG to let her know he was there checking up on TG and she wasn't answering her phones or door. IMO, it could have been a set of coincidental activities. But, that brings me back to why HD was there at all and here's where I'm going out on the limb of trouble. Where was HD Saturday night and all day Sunday until 12:15 am Monday morning? Does anyone know? Was he separated from his wife in Oct 05? What if someone was there cleaning up loose ends, checking on things, making sure they didn't leave anything behind? Oh, yeah, that pesky little latex glove. That was left behind. IMO, if someone went back into Tara's house and they could because they had her keys, they wouldn't put on any lights to alert the neighbors that someone was there and they wouldn't go in during the daylight or early evening when folks are up watching 60 Minutes and the Sopranos, right? Maybe JP just happened to check Tara's after FG called at about the same time the POI was leaving the house for the last time. The next day, the crying and all could be something other than guilt, IMO. By the time AG, LG and HD got to the OPD HQs, JP had already given a statement and he didn't mention seeing HD. IMO, the crying could have been relief and the release of all that tension. Just my humble opinion, only a theory, just a thought, doesn't mean anything can't be proved, etc. Not pointing any fingers.

MOO and IMO and JMHO no offense intended.

Was he separated from his wife in Oct 05

I have heard that they were separated after Tara went missing but got back together before Christmas 2005. Someone else may have more specific details?.


IMO

[cbcrime]

This is a quote from a NG interview with FG:

"GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

GRACE: What did they say?

GRINSTEAD: They didn`t seem to think anything looked unusual, that the car was there. They had been gone all day and didn`t get back until late, but they said the car was there. Nothing looked unusual.

GRACE: And the light was on in her computer room?

GRINSTEAD: Some type of dim light was on in there.

GRACE: From the computer only.

GRINSTEAD: Could have been."

I'm confused - FG mentioned the light. Was it ever confirmed that HD told her this? I've been looking - and so far I can only find this mention of the light from FG. I realize that it could have come from HD - but are we assuming this or was it stated somewhere? I'm going crazy trying to figure it out. Just like trying to figure out the date of her leaving early from school and if she was in a meltdown state that day also.

[Results]

Originally posted by cbcrime
This is a quote from a NG interview with FG:

"GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

GRACE: What did they say?

GRINSTEAD: They didn`t seem to think anything looked unusual, that the car was there. They had been gone all day and didn`t get back until late, but they said the car was there. Nothing looked unusual.

GRACE: And the light was on in her computer room?

GRINSTEAD: Some type of dim light was on in there.

GRACE: From the computer only.

GRINSTEAD: Could have been."

I'm confused - FG mentioned the light. Was it ever confirmed that HD told her this? I've been looking - and so far I can only find this mention of the light from FG. I realize that it could have come from HD - but are we assuming this or was it stated somewhere? I'm going crazy trying to figure it out. Just like trying to figure out the date of her leaving early from school and if she was in a meltdown state that day also.

I thought Dr G released in one of his press release that HD said a dim light was on. I could be wrong. That is why I thought it came from HD. Let me see if I can find that.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Results
Lindsey,

Can you tell us anything about HD? If you can that would be great but if you can't I understand that too.

:beer:

I don't know anything beyond what has been posted on the forums already. I wish I did!!

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Do you think someone was in her house when she got home? Who ??? MH was not he was elsewhere at the bar.

I don't know who and yes I read somewhere in news transcripts that MH left the bar between 1and 1:30 am. JMO

[Results]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


I don't know who and yes I read somewhere in news transcripts that MH left the bar between 1and 1:30 am. JMO

Do you have a theory of who it was?

[grandline]

Originally posted by lighthousedazy
Very possible; but in a small town like Ocilla would there be more than one car exactly like Taras, possible but probably not. jmo

I know there is more than one car of the same make/model as Tara's in Irwin County but I don't know if there is another white one. It's a little unusual to see them because they have been out of production for a while.

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by Results


Do you have a theory of who it was?

No, I really don't, and of course she could have left a nightlight on or something. Here's the thing about somebody seeing a light on (maybe computer light, like I think HD said) Tara's computer was in the back bedroom (theres no way you could see the light from the front door imo. I know this from finally getting to see the inside from the last interview on NG. several months ago. Everybody think back to the tour of the house on TV (if u caught the broadcast) The only way imo u could see a dim light in that room would be to walk beside the house (in between the P's and hers). JMO

[georgiapeach29]

Sooooo, how the heck did HD see the dim light (maybe a computer monitor), but then again, could have been another light, a laptop, night light etc.... but most likely would have been in her bedroom or living room (front of house)

[georgiapeach29]

Actually, I think the P's live on the right side of her house (there is no house right beside hers on the side where the carport is) Maybe Mrs. P did see a light who knows.
jmo










Originally posted by












barry9120










Maybe we are mistaken in saying it was HD who saw the light, IMO it could have been Mr/s. P. There homes were only 15 feet apart and that would have been the window he looked out of to check on TG's house, IMO. IMO, the Ps live next door to the side of TGs house with the carport or they would not have been able to see the car, IMO.

No offense intended.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29
Actually, I think the P's live on the right side of her house (there is no house right beside hers on the side where the carport is) Maybe Mrs. P did see a light who knows.
jmo


In the pictures I saw of Tara's house you are correct the P live on the other side of the house than the carport. The carport of the house is next to the side street. Facing the house the P are on the right of the house and the carport is on the left side. I have always wondered about seeing this light. FG was asked my NG if it was a light from Tara's computer and FG stated could have been. I do not have a floor plan to Tara's and have wondered what part of the house was Tara's computer room. The house is small and I'm guessing 2 bedrooms with one as the computer room and think it would be the one on the back of the right side of the house. Just guessing on where the computer room is. Any help will be appreciated.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


No, I really don't, and of course she could have left a nightlight on or something. Here's the thing about somebody seeing a light on (maybe computer light, like I think HD said) Tara's computer was in the back bedroom (theres no way you could see the light from the front door imo. I know this from finally getting to see the inside from the last interview on NG. several months ago. Everybody think back to the tour of the house on TV (if u caught the broadcast) The only way imo u could see a dim light in that room would be to walk beside the house (in between the P's and hers). JMO

I posted a post just a few minutes about this and had not read your post. I have always thought the computer room was probably on the back of the house and Tara's bedroom was on the front of the house on right side next to the P's. And the computer light has always bugged me. Thanks for the information.

[odette]

Regarding this "dim light", I do know that FG mentioned it in an interview with Nancy Grace. Remember that FG had just been talking with HD when she phoned the P's to ask if a "car was at home". It appears to me that HD failed to tell her that Tara's car was indeed at home?.

Whether or not HD mentioned this "dim light" to FG, I do not know.

NANCY GRACE SPEAKING WITH FG

GRACE: So you did call Sunday night?

GRINSTEAD: Sunday night.

GRACE: Right.

GRINSTEAD: I did not call her Saturday night. It was very late, say 12:30 or 1:00. I did call the neighbors to see if a car was home or if anything looked unusual.

GRACE: What did they say?

GRINSTEAD: They didn`t seem to think anything looked unusual, that the car was there. They had been gone all day and didn`t get back until late, but they said the car was there. Nothing looked unusual.

GRACE: And the light was on in her computer room?

GRINSTEAD: Some type of dim light was on in there.

GRACE: From the computer only.

GRINSTEAD: Could have been.



IMO

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


I don't know who and yes I read somewhere in news transcripts that MH left the bar between 1and 1:30 am. JMO

And then in a police car for a ride along the rest of the night/morning.

I wish we knew what the other POI's were doing. I think MH is the only one who has publically accounted for his time, am I right?

[Results]

Originally posted by joanne


Just for the record......
Marcus has personally told many of his friends this before, it is nothing new, it is just newly on TV. And those of us close to the situation or the people know and have known for a good deal of time that Marcus has had a difficult time let her go gently as to not upset Tara.
Marcus's control as you put it is to protect himself from people like you who don't know either one of them or the situation that has been taking place the past year. He is not stupid and he realizes that this is a bad situation, he needs to protect himself, his job, his fam, all the while still trying to help in the investigation. He does truley pray that she is okay somewhere and all of this has an explaination that we have not yet found. Just because he composed himself does not mean that this has not completely knocked him over.

I would love to see this poster back on CTV.

[Results]

Originally posted by Babes

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0702_tara_grinstead_argued_with_boyfriend2.html

Can anyone confirm this story?
I knew that we discussed this before but up to now no one can confirm if there is a reality on this information provided by Anita Gattis.

I'm bumping this thread because this CL article shows many things. The most interesting thing in this article is the first paragraph when it says "By the close of Saturday, November 5, Tara's past problems with some of the men in her life were public knowledge in a way the very private Grinstead would never have wanted." It appears by this comment they were trying to keep things under wraps. BUT, I could be reading more into this statement.

Then there is this one:

According to Tara's sister, Anita Gattis, the hired investigator had by November 4 discovered some interesting new clues about what may have happened to Tara Grinstead the night of October 22. Speaking with Albany, GA, NBC affiliate, WALB, Gattis said, "Her vehicle was unlocked. That's very uncharacteristic of Tara. She always locks it, always, always, always. There's some question about the position of the seats. She was short, 5'3". That's a big red flag..."

According to my notes of an update on CC on CTV...Dr. G said that the driver seat had no bearing on this case because the neighbor, Mr. P, had moved the seat back.

Anita Gattis revealed that though Grinstead had sought to re-unite with former love Marcus Harper, they had fought prior to Tara's disappearance:

"They had had a very bad argument, I just found out, several days before she went missing, concerning an 18-year-old that he was dating. My sister did not think that (the 18-year-old's) parents would approve of a 30-year-old dating an 18-year-old. I'm told that she threatened to tell the parents, and they had a very heated argument over this." I would be interested to know who told AG this?

Only a hint came from a source close to the investigation as the third week began — a hint that the answer to the question of what happened to Tara Grinstead could be close:
Some things were found today that would lead you to believe that Tara could be found soon. I wish I could elaborate but I can't... Does anyone know what was found that day that would make them believe they could find Tara soon?

The same source expressed a concern that had troubled very few in the area before... that none of the men questioned by authorities about their relationship to Tara might be involved. That she might have fallen prey to a stranger, or someone with whom she had only a tangential acquaintance.

This statement I took as most of all the locals just couldn't grasp it being a stranger.

This is just my honest opinion of what I got out of reading the article.

[kundalini]

was the "triangulation method" for the cell phones checked out on the POI's cells?

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


Maybe another, taller woman was driving it, IMO.

MOO.

What do you mean by taller woman?

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Originally posted by NancynNC
Wonder what Godwin means by this??

Released 3.22.06: Dr. Godwin has shared the following additional information:
The abduction of Tara was not a spontaneous or opportunistic crime but rather one that was well thought out even to the point of stalking her prior to the attack. It’s likely that the perpetrator pre-selected the disposal site and monitored the house for several days after the abduction to see if Tara’s disappearance had been reported to law enforcement.

This points to HD big time IMHO. He is the only POI so far that places him at Tara's house. JMHO

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Originally posted by IrwinIndian
"monitored the house for several days"?

Tara's house or the "disposal site"?

I remember when this came out. We all know who Godwin was after, pointedly, and it made no sense whatsoever.

One in a line of many "out there" "releases" that fell flat on their faces and served no purpose at all, IMO.



Thank you for pointing that out II. I didn't catch that. You are right. We now know that alot of older posters will not post anymore so I thought I would give it a try going back to the beginning from the posters that don't post anymore. I do appreciate all input if I am reading something wrong and pointing those things out to me. Once again thanks and I really appreciate it. Barry the same goes for you...thank you for your response.

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Originally posted by barry9120


I mean a woman who would have had to adjust the driver's seat to accomodate the additional height/leg length.

On the update recently on CC on CTV. Dr G said that the neighbor moved the seat back. IIRC

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Originally posted by Results
Another question also. Looking at Tara's house through pictures we see that it is a corner lot. Is there a street light on that corner? Usually a street light is on the corners of the neighborhood.
Yes, There is a street light.

How dark is it if you walked up to her house at 12:15 AM in October?
If you walk straight up the driveway the left side of the house is pretty well illuminated from the streetlights and then it is a bit darker on the right side of the house but still lit well enough that I would go out there without a flashlight if I had to (and I'm a chicken!)

Time doesn't change until right before Halloween so when does dawn break?
Someone answered that on CTV - I don't recall the answer

If a car is pulling into her drive way would the car lights flash into a neighbor's window or door and the same as if someone in a vehicle pulled out of her driveway would that flash through a neighbors window or door? If HD parked his car in her driveway would he disturb a neighbor by going into or out of her driveway?
Probably not. The neighbor house is 2 story and their bedroom is upstairs.

If HD did in fact pull into her driveway is there lights where we can see what he is doing or would he need a flashlight? The visibility is fine without a flashlight.

If he walked from the neighbors how much light did he have and was he familiar with the setup of the house and yard that being in the dark he knew where to go?
I would venture to say he was familiar with the setup of the house based on previous statements about him being there previously - but the light would not have been an issue.

Why didn't Dolly bark while he was there? TIA for any help! Not sure abou tthis one. She may have...

The reason I felt compelled to answer these questions is because long ago I had many of the same questions regarding the light around the house and what the atmosphere was in the neighborhood at that time of night. So we took a walk. We walked down to Tara's house very late one night. I would say 11:30pm. It was well lit and not a soul was stirring. We stood in the street for about 10 minutes in front of the house and looked around. Every house within the eye sight had dark windows and the windows all had closed blinds or curtains. No one stirred and we were not noticed at all.

Also note worthy is this.... kitty corner to Tara's home - (if your back is to the house and you are facing the road and look to the left - one house over) that house is vacant. The driveway leads in to a carport and while I would not call it a long driveway, it's not short - it goes back and under some trees and bushes. Enough that if someone were to pull into that driveway and into the carport I don't think anyone would ever notice it under cover of darkness unless they were specifically looking directly AT that house to see if a car was there. Even then you would have to look very carefully if the vehicle was dark in color.

After our walk and I realized this (I never noticed it in the daylight) I wished that I had realized it earlier and wondered if LE had checked to see if there were tiretracks in/out of that driveway the day Tara was reported missing.

I appreciate a poster taking the time to go into great details of the questions that I asked. Thank you so much, Also, thank you for allowing me to post them on this board.

[Results]

Here is some more valuable information from this poster that I wanted to share as well.

I'd like to add a couple of things.

1. If you look at the photo you will see that the fence runs out the left side of the house. Whenever I visited the house or drove by when Dolly was there - she was lying on that side. If someone parked at that vacant house and walked over to the door, Dolly may not have even known they were there. On the other hand, Dolly is also a very friendly dog. She did not know me at all but only barked at me once or twice when I visted and then it was a bark of attention. Not a threatening bark. My point being that if someone knew her and got out of their vehicle and even whispered her name and approached her and pet her... she would probably have just wagged her tail.

2. If a vehicle came from the right side of the house and went into the driveway the headlights would have spanned the area to the left of the house which encompasses the crossroad area and I don't think the house on that opposite corner would have been affected by the headlights either.

Bottomline is that it would have been very easy for someone to come and go in the middle of the night without detection there. Either by way of her driveway or the vacant house driveway.

I don't know exactly how long that house has been vacant but I know it has been a long while. It was vacant when she disappeared and it is still vacant.

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by Results
Here is some more valuable information from this poster that I wanted to share as well.

I'd like to add a couple of things.

1. If you look at the photo you will see that the fence runs out the left side of the house. Whenever I visited the house or drove by when Dolly was there - she was lying on that side. If someone parked at that vacant house and walked over to the door, Dolly may not have even known they were there. On the other hand, Dolly is also a very friendly dog. She did not know me at all but only barked at me once or twice when I visted and then it was a bark of attention. Not a threatening bark. My point being that if someone knew her and got out of their vehicle and even whispered her name and approached her and pet her... she would probably have just wagged her tail.

2. If a vehicle came from the right side of the house and went into the driveway the headlights would have spanned the area to the left of the house which encompasses the crossroad area and I don't think the house on that opposite corner would have been affected by the headlights either.

Bottomline is that it would have been very easy for someone to come and go in the middle of the night without detection there. Either by way of her driveway or the vacant house driveway.

I don't know exactly how long that house has been vacant but I know it has been a long while. It was vacant when she disappeared and it is still vacant.

Thanks Results! This is all great info/research! Kudos to you and your friend! If you talk to them again, see if you can gain more insight into why this house is vacant? Is the owner local? Who was the last occupant? TIA

IMO, this board has experienced some client improvements of late! Is progress in sight? :) MOO!

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Originally posted by hypnotized


Thanks Results! This is all great info/research! Kudos to you and your friend! If you talk to them again, see if you can gain more insight into why this house is vacant? Is the owner local? Who was the last occupant? TIA

IMO, this board has experienced some client improvements of late! Is progress in sight? :) MOO!

I will ask her indeed. I promise you this.....she is someone that you can trust without a doubt. I don't trust too many people. All I did was ask the question she definitely did all the hard work.

I'm sure she would want me to say your welcome.
:beer:

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Originally posted by barry9120


Excellent information, Results! IMO, if someone was familiar with Tara's house and the vacant house and had used that carport before, they could have approached with their headlights off, further minimizing any detection, IMO.

Thanks, Results:beer:

barry

My friend did all the work and all the detective skills and took the time to detail it so we could understand. I know that she would want me to say your welcome!

[jond]

This may have already been touched on regarding the computer light, so pardon, if so...Most computer monitors are timed out after a set time has elapsed and some computers even turn off if it goes inactive ( no mouse touch ) after a set time. For example, if I walk away for 5 minutes, my computer shuts down and there is no light. I think this is a feature to prevent screen burn, etc. IMO, if TG computer light could be seen as a "dim light" in a house, to me that means the computer must have been in use at the time, or very recently in time, to the viewing.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


O/T - NG is somewhat of bully in her interviews. She tends to get an idea in her head that fits with her theory and then runs with in, IMO. She very rarely gives the interviewee time to process her questions before she lets them answer, IMO.

It could have been a nightlight, IMO.

No offense intended MOO.

I agree about NG. She has sent many interviews down the stream by not letting people say what they want to say. So much may could have been gained if she had just let FG and Mr. P talk...... not sure about AG. :D To me FG did not say it was a light from a computer only "it could have been".

[Results]

At this time my friend is not online. I don't know. Maybe she will be on soon and can answer all your questions. I'm sure she will be happy to.

I do know this about the road.....I asked my friend if it was a dead end and if it wasn't would the light shine on this carport at the vacant house....this is her response that I will also share:

The road is not a dead end and you're right - either way you are going on the road it is hard to see up in the carport area. It isn't impossibble to see up there but highley unlikely. You would definitely want a flashlight if you were going up into that carport at night. It's kind of spooky up in there even because it's kind of overgrown.

[jond]

Originally posted by jond
This may have already been touched on regarding the computer light, so pardon, if so...Most computer monitors are timed out after a set time has elapsed and some computers even turn off if it goes inactive ( no mouse touch ) after a set time. For example, if I walk away for 5 minutes, my computer shuts down and there is no light. I think this is a feature to prevent screen burn, etc. IMO, if TG computer light could be seen as a "dim light" in a house, to me that means the computer must have been in use at the time, or very recently in time, to the viewing.

Forget that, its not most computers, more than likely just mine.

[Results]

Originally posted by jond
This may have already been touched on regarding the computer light, so pardon, if so...Most computer monitors are timed out after a set time has elapsed and some computers even turn off if it goes inactive ( no mouse touch ) after a set time. For example, if I walk away for 5 minutes, my computer shuts down and there is no light. I think this is a feature to prevent screen burn, etc. IMO, if TG computer light could be seen as a "dim light" in a house, to me that means the computer must have been in use at the time, or very recently in time, to the viewing.

This is true but she also had a cat. That cat could jump on that desk and easly bump that computer mouse or just brush up against the computer and it would turn the monitor back on unless the computer was kept off and the monitor which would mean more than likely someone was on her computer. Don't know just trying every theory. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by jond
This may have already been touched on regarding the computer light, so pardon, if so...Most computer monitors are timed out after a set time has elapsed and some computers even turn off if it goes inactive ( no mouse touch ) after a set time. For example, if I walk away for 5 minutes, my computer shuts down and there is no light. I think this is a feature to prevent screen burn, etc. IMO, if TG computer light could be seen as a "dim light" in a house, to me that means the computer must have been in use at the time, or very recently in time, to the viewing.

That is possible Jond but not necessary. We would have to know Tara's habits and how her computer monitor was set up. Did she shut down her computer when it was not is use...did she have a screen saver (my monitor will go to the screen saver after so many minutes and never go out)...if she did not have the screen saver to come on for her monitor (I think if the dim light was from the computer it was from the monitor) someone would had to have been on the computer within the time set for the monitor to go off. Its just something I don't think we will ever know unless someone was familiar with Tara's computer habits and/or the working of Tara's computer comes forth and tells us. MHOO

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


I forgot about the cat:mad: Good catch Results. That little piece of information would be a great defense tactic for reasonable doubt (if this ever gets to trial), IMO and MOO. Little things like this are what constitute the building blocks of a good case for or against someone, IMO.

Thanks for pointing that out:beer:

barry

Thank you! We are all here to try our best to put the pieces together. There are alot of good posters posting great materials and there hasn't been any fighting and argueing and for the first time in a long time it feels like we are pulling as a team. I pray we continue to do so. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Results


Thank you! We are all here to try our best to put the pieces together. There are alot of good posters posting great materials and there hasn't been any fighting and argueing and for the first time in a long time it feels like we are pulling as a team. I pray we continue to do so. JMHO

I knew it could be done....Too many good brains to waste on argueing. We are a team and I give each a very humble THANK YOU and a :rose: Now back to good posting

[jond]

Originally posted by barry9120


I forgot about the cat:mad: Good catch Results. That little piece of information would be a great defense tactic for reasonable doubt (if this ever gets to trial), IMO and MOO. Little things like this are what constitute the building blocks of a good case for or against someone, IMO.

Thanks for pointing that out:beer:

barry

I agree, good point by Results and you. Some time ago, it was mentioned that TG had said she was leaving the BBQ to view the pageant tape, is that correct? One poster mentioned this and the point was: could this have been an excuse to leave as a date/meeting was planned for later that night? Sounds reasonable. If so, could the repeated calls by HD been in response to TG telling him her plans that night, but not disclosing a name?

[odette]

Originally posted by Its just me


That is possible Jond but not necessary. We would have to know Tara's habits and how her computer monitor was set up. Did she shut down her computer when it was not is use...did she have a screen saver (my monitor will go to the screen saver after so many minutes and never go out)...if she did not have the screen saver to come on for her monitor (I think if the dim light was from the computer it was from the monitor) someone would had to have been on the computer within the time set for the monitor to go off. Its just something I don't think we will ever know unless someone was familiar with Tara's computer habits and/or the working of Tara's computer comes forth and tells us. MHOO

This is what MHu had to say regarding the computers.

NG ... Back to her best friend, Maria Hulett, what are Tara`s habits?

MARIA HULETT, CLOSE FRIEND OF TARA GRINSTEAD`S: She`s a very clean, neat person. Everything was in her -- in the right place. She was very peculiar about her computer, her laptop. Those things were there. Her computer was on, which she kept on most the time. Her laptop was in the closet, like she`d always kept it. Her cat was there, had been fed, you know...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

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Originally posted by jond


I agree, good point by Results and you. Some time ago, it was mentioned that TG had said she was leaving the BBQ to view the pageant tape, is that correct? One poster mentioned this and the point was: could this have been an excuse to leave as a date/meeting was planned for later that night? Sounds reasonable. If so, could the repeated calls by HD been in response to TG telling him her plans that night, but not disclosing a name?

If that happened then he would have been freaking out. IMHO
I truly believe there was something going on with HD and Tara. IMHO Who knows....maybe he snapped. Something to really think about. I would think that it would be a slap in his face. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by odette


This is what MHu had to say regarding the computers.

NG ... Back to her best friend, Maria Hulett, what are Tara`s habits?

MARIA HULETT, CLOSE FRIEND OF TARA GRINSTEAD`S: She`s a very clean, neat person. Everything was in her -- in the right place. She was very peculiar about her computer, her laptop. Those things were there. Her computer was on, which she kept on most the time. Her laptop was in the closet, like she`d always kept it. Her cat was there, had been fed, you know...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

Thanks odette. If the dim light was from Tara's computer, which was on according to MHu (whom I believe) it had to be the light from the monitor to cause a dim light to be seen. So far we have 3 theories.
1. Someone had just used the computer and the monitor was still on when the dim light was seen.
2. Mr. Kitty could have been snooping around and very possible caused the monitor to come on.
3. Tara had a screen saver that stayed on all the time.

Any others anyone can think of and have I missed some.

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Originally posted by odette


This is what MHu had to say regarding the computers.

NG ... Back to her best friend, Maria Hulett, what are Tara`s habits?

MARIA HULETT, CLOSE FRIEND OF TARA GRINSTEAD`S: She`s a very clean, neat person. Everything was in her -- in the right place. She was very peculiar about her computer, her laptop. Those things were there. Her computer was on, which she kept on most the time. Her laptop was in the closet, like she`d always kept it. Her cat was there, had been fed, you know...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

Well I guess the cat could of done it then. LOL JMHO

[simply quiet]

I don't think she had plans for later, if she had I don't think she would have stopped at the BBQ. The BBQ was not a "planned" event, she just happened to be driving by and stopped in and ended up staying........IIRC.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Its just me


Thanks odette. If the dim light was from Tara's computer, which was on according to MHu (whom I believe) it had to be the light from the monitor to cause a dim light to be seen. So far we have 3 theories.
1. Someone had just used the computer and the monitor was still on when the dim light was seen.
2. Mr. Kitty could have been snooping around and very possible caused the monitor to come on.
3. Tara had a screen saver that stayed on all the time.

Any others anyone can think of and have I missed some.

I am thinking the monitor was on when MHu was in the house for her to notice the computer to be on. But this may not be the case.

[jond]

Originally posted by Results


If that happened then he would have been freaking out. IMHO
I truly believe there was something going on with HD and Tara. IMHO Who knows....maybe he snapped. Something to really think about. I would think that it would be a slap in his face. JMHO

Yes, if that is the relationship. I do not buy the theory that TG had some dirt on local LE or the drugworld. Though all facts are not known, if TG had knowledge of such wrongdoing and HD was her LE contact, this information would be passed on to his superiors...now all that could have happened and its being withheld for obvious reasons, IMO, the probability is slim.

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Originally posted by simply quiet
I don't think she had plans for later, if she had I don't think she would have stopped at the BBQ. The BBQ was not a "planned" event, she just happened to be driving by and stopped in and ended up staying........IIRC.

SQ,

Is this where the neighbors saw her talking to an old boyfriend at the BBQ? Was there talk about a boyfriend being upset about the BBQ? I know something was said about a boyfriend and a BBQ, IIRC. TIA

[Its just me]

Originally posted by simply quiet
I don't think she had plans for later, if she had I don't think she would have stopped at the BBQ. The BBQ was not a "planned" event, she just happened to be driving by and stopped in and ended up staying........IIRC.

SQ I think if Tara did have plans she had a time set and it was planned for after 11:00 pm Sat night. I keep going back to MHu saying it looked as if Tara had slept in her bed. This interview was several days after Tara had been missing and I some how feel that MHu may have had the insight to ask some of the girls who was at Tara's on Sat. how the bed was on Saturday when they were there. Its Just Me a thinking.

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Originally posted by barry9120


Good point that last sentence, let me extrapolate on it....IMO, what if they had plans, what if HD had told his wife about he and Tara and she freaked and that was why he was sorry and loved her? HD and his wife did split up for a while after Tara went missing, IMO. What if he was expecting Tara to welcome him with open arms and she just wanted to keep things on the side, IMO? If he did tell his wife, IMO he could have felt like he just threw everything away if Tara rejected him too?

JHMO and no offense intended.

That is one of my big theories. Except I didn't think he had told his wife yet but was planning on leaving her for Tara and Tara decided she wanted MH and you know the rest. I never thought about he told his wife already because that would be even worse then my theory. Going to have to ponder on that. JMHO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Results


SQ,

Is this where the neighbors saw her talking to an old boyfriend at the BBQ? Was there talk about a boyfriend being upset about the BBQ? I know something was said about a boyfriend and a BBQ, IIRC. TIA

There was "talk" about her being seen sitting on a curb outside the BBQ talking with someone. BUT......there was also talk about there being no curb and no one could verify anything about this statement. :shrug:

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Originally posted by Its just me


Thanks odette. If the dim light was from Tara's computer, which was on according to MHu (whom I believe) it had to be the light from the monitor to cause a dim light to be seen. So far we have 3 theories.
1. Someone had just used the computer and the monitor was still on when the dim light was seen.
2. Mr. Kitty could have been snooping around and very possible caused the monitor to come on.
3. Tara had a screen saver that stayed on all the time.

Any others anyone can think of and have I missed some.

I just thought of something from your post. They have programers that could do just about anything and find anything on a computer. That computer could tell you when someone last logged in and last logged off. That computer can retrieve deleted documents. But, something else came to mind....remember when AG said in an interview that LG was going over all those papers....it seemed like it was taking him hours like she had so much documents to go through. Why would anyone need a document though is beyond me. I just can't picture someone needing a document that bad. JMHO

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Originally posted by simply quiet


There was "talk" about her being seen sitting on a curb outside the BBQ talking with someone. BUT......there was also talk about there being no curb and no one could verify anything about this statement. :shrug:

OK. Thank you.

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


IIRC, the T&MD dinners were sort of a regular thing for a group of people and it was not like an invitation required type of get together, IMO. TG, had been a fairly regular guest at these dinners so it wasn't unusual for her to drop by, IIRC from the TD and MD interviews. IMO, I never put much importance on her being there other than the calls she recieved and the time she left. There was all sorts of earlier posts about a gym teacher, RR, but none of that was ever confirmed by anyone who was at the dinner that night, IMO. IIRC, MD said she walked Tara to her car when she was leaving and MD was also the one who said that TG claimed she was tired and going home to watch the pageant video, IMO.

It's all JMHO and you'll have to forgive me if I'm a bit distracted tonight but my Yankees are playing tonight:D

IMO and MOO no offense intended.

Is there Yankee fan in the house tonight???? LOL

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by barry9120


It's all JMHO and you'll have to forgive me if I'm a bit distracted tonight but my Yankees are playing tonight:D

IMO and MOO no offense intended.

:lol:

I could be the one being pleasantly distracted if it had not been for YOUR Yankees slipping something into MY Red Sox water bottles..........IIRC.

[odette]

Originally posted by Results


I just thought of something from your post. They have programers that could do just about anything and find anything on a computer. That computer could tell you when someone last logged in and last logged off. That computer can retrieve deleted documents. But, something else came to mind....remember when AG said in an interview that LG was going over all those papers....it seemed like it was taking him hours like she had so much documents to go through. Why would anyone need a document though is beyond me. I just can't picture someone needing a document that bad. JMHO

GRACE: I was wondering something also. I went and looked at her computer area. Did not look to me as if it had been dusted for fingerprints. But I noticed that her trash can, a little-bitty waste can, had a little papers in it. And the area was covered in papers and notes. I saw some ticket stubs to a movie. I`m just wondering, do you know whether police went through all that?

GATTIS: I`m assuming that the GBI did, but I know my husband did. He sat there and diligently looked at every single piece of paper.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html

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Originally posted by barry9120


Whoa Nelly! You just made me think of something I never thought about too hard before, I just assumed. When did LE take Tara's home laptop and computer into custody to analyze what was on the hard drive? IMO, I seem to recall that too many people had access to her computer that was left on.

MOO and no offense intended.

IIRC, the day they processed the house. Because AG said on her interview they took both computers. Now who had access to them before they went out of the house that day....I don't know. But, I remember her saying there were alot of papers in Tara's trash in the computer room and it took LG all day to go through all that paperwork leading me to believe by the way she said it was that LE left it in a mess. JMHO She might not have meant that but I still remember how odd that sounded. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by odette


GRACE: I was wondering something also. I went and looked at her computer area. Did not look to me as if it had been dusted for fingerprints. But I noticed that her trash can, a little-bitty waste can, had a little papers in it. And the area was covered in papers and notes. I saw some ticket stubs to a movie. I`m just wondering, do you know whether police went through all that?

GATTIS: I`m assuming that the GBI did, but I know my husband did. He sat there and diligently looked at every single piece of paper.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html

Thank you Odette. I stand corrected about the trash can full of papers. I knew that she said LG went through it all. Thanks again.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Results


I just thought of something from your post. They have programers that could do just about anything and find anything on a computer. That computer could tell you when someone last logged in and last logged off. That computer can retrieve deleted documents. But, something else came to mind....remember when AG said in an interview that LG was going over all those papers....it seemed like it was taking him hours like she had so much documents to go through. Why would anyone need a document though is beyond me. I just can't picture someone needing a document that bad. JMHO

You are right Tara's computer can tell you many things but it is in the hands of the GBI and I will stop there. If this was my sister and I really wanted to know what had happened to her I would hire my own computer expert and have the computer gone over with a fine tooth comb. But they will never know what was on that computer if the GBI is not being honest and you all know I think that is possibility.

LG was doing one of two things when he was going through the papers. MHOO He was truthfully looking for evidence pretaining to someone else or he was trying to cover his own "A".

[cbcrime]

MHu said her copmuter was in the closet. Was this set up as a desk? I wonder if the closet door was open or not. I wish we knew who saw the light. If it was the P's we would know what area of the house it came from. If it ws HD - he could have walked around the whole house. If it was not the computer - could it have been a night light. We have them and they are on sensors - go off and on automatically.

IIRC - I thought someone posted Tara stopped off at RR before the pageant. I got the impression he might be upset and she was mending some fences. I don't know how accurate the statement was.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


IMO, LG had no business going through anything independent of LE supervision. I would love to see the SOP for missing persons. When did LG go through the papers? Did he do it before GBI got there? IIRC, OPD Chief Hancock, decided early on to call in GBI and that GBI didn't get there until 3 in the afternoon. IMO, that's approximately 6 hours that the scene was not properly secured. When to FG, AG, LG get to Tara's house? Did they go to Tara's first or to the OPD HQs? Where was HD during all this time? IIRC he arrived at OPD on or about the same time as AG/LG.

You are right LG had no business going through anything but remember the GBI started doing their investigation around 3 PM on Monday and it lasted until early hours Tuesday morning. When the GBI left they left everything wide open for anyone to do anything they wanted to do after they left. I think AG and LG went to the police department and also HD (may be wrong) Surely goodness the Police and the Sheriff's departments had since enough to clear the neightbors and the other people who arrived in the beginning out of the house. I can half way over look the det. allowing MHu to walk through just to see if she noticed anything unusual if this was before the GBI was called. After the GBI was called the house should have been secured and no one allowed inside. I remember something about some of Tara's students going by Tara's maybe on Tuesday night and mentioned about talking to AG. I am guessing LG went through the papers after GBI left Tuesday AM hours and turned the house back over to who-ever as well as Tara's car. About as stupid as you can get. MHOO Don't forget the idiots was back searching for evidence days later (same time the necklace was found) and took the car way after that and the car was had already been washed and sparkling clean waiting many weeks for the same idiots to get it. Sorry but can you justify these actions. MHOO

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Originally posted by barry9120


IMO, LG had no business going through anything independent of LE supervision. I would love to see the SOP for missing persons. When did LG go through the papers? Did he do it before GBI got there? IIRC, OPD Chief Hancock, decided early on to call in GBI and that GBI didn't get there until 3 in the afternoon. IMO, that's approximately 6 hours that the scene was not properly secured. When to FG, AG, LG get to Tara's house? Did they go to Tara's first or to the OPD HQs? Where was HD during all this time? IIRC he arrived at OPD on or about the same time as AG/LG.

Odette probably can get you a link to that info. Her and Lindsey are our linkers. They can find anything and don't forget fsbiii...he is quiet good too. Thanks for all our posters that provide us links which are always fast and quick!

Here's to you guys! :patriot:

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Originally posted by Its just me


You are right Tara's computer can tell you many things but it is in the hands of the GBI and I will stop there. If this was my sister and I really wanted to know what had happened to her I would hire my own computer expert and have the computer gone over with a fine tooth comb. But they will never know what was on that computer if the GBI is not being honest and you all know I think that is possibility.

LG was doing one of two things when he was going through the papers. MHOO He was truthfully looking for evidence pretaining to someone else or he was trying to cover his own "A".

I wonder if you can request your own programer to be there when they check her computer out? That would be interesting to know. IMO doubt if that is allowed but I don't know????

[cbcrime]

I think the only time "your" own expert is allowed to witness an exmination of evidence is when "you" are a defendant and "your" attorney makes the request.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by jond


Yes, if that is the relationship. I do not buy the theory that TG had some dirt on local LE or the drugworld. Though all facts are not known, if TG had knowledge of such wrongdoing and HD was her LE contact, this information would be passed on to his superiors...now all that could have happened and its being withheld for obvious reasons, IMO, the probability is slim.

I am with you on this one Jond. I know a lot of stuff goes on but Tara telling HD information about what was going on in Irwin County would have to go beyond HD. If this did happen to be the case I think the investigation would still be on going and Tara's disappearance would be a part of it. While I don't rule this out it is not on the top of my list.

[odette]

Originally posted by cbcrime
MHu said her copmuter was in the closet. Was this set up as a desk? I wonder if the closet door was open or not. I wish we knew who saw the light. If it was the P's we would know what area of the house it came from. If it ws HD - he could have walked around the whole house. If it was not the computer - could it have been a night light. We have them and they are on sensors - go off and on automatically.

IIRC - I thought someone posted Tara stopped off at RR before the pageant. I got the impression he might be upset and she was mending some fences. I don't know how accurate the statement was.

It was her laptop computer which was in the closet.

MARIA HULETT, CLOSE FRIEND OF TARA GRINSTEAD`S: She`s a very clean, neat person. Everything was in her -- in the right place. She was very peculiar about her computer, her laptop. Those things were there. Her computer was on, which she kept on most the time. Her laptop was in the closet, like she`d always kept it.

[cbcrime]

I just think that if anyone close to Tara knew that she was an informant - that would have been given to LE and her house would have been secured. The only caveat is if local LE was part of the "situation" Tara was informing on. I think it is a remote possibility. I just think this case would have been handled differently - maybe not by local LE - but GBI - especially since HD knew the GBI agent.

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Originally posted by cbcrime
MHu said her copmuter was in the closet. Was this set up as a desk? I wonder if the closet door was open or not. I wish we knew who saw the light. If it was the P's we would know what area of the house it came from. If it ws HD - he could have walked around the whole house. If it was not the computer - could it have been a night light. We have them and they are on sensors - go off and on automatically.

IIRC - I thought someone posted Tara stopped off at RR before the pageant. I got the impression he might be upset and she was mending some fences. I don't know how accurate the statement was.

IIRC, she had a labtop in the closet and a regular computer in her computer room. Also, remembering what my friend said about the vacant house....IF HD parked his car there he would be coming from behind the house and he would have been able to see this light walking to her house. I think it is very important if HD stated he saw the light. IMHO Even if he stated that he saw the light does not mean he parked over there. Just throwing theories out there.

I could have sworn a poster did say that she went to go see RR before the BBQ and he wasn't happy about something. I also remember another poster coming on here defending RR saying that he knew Tara was not interested in the long haul plus he wanted children and Tara didn't. This post is on CTV some where. That caught my attention because of the remark that CG said about her not talking about babies so much. Yet, this poster said they knew RR personally and was a good friend. This is the reason it is hard to trust someone and if you find someone you can trust then you have a great asset to the case to give you correct information. JMHO

[cbcrime]

Okay did she have a desktop computer and a laptop? For some reason - I was thinking her computer was her laptop. The computer she used at school was a desktop correct? So did she own two and use 1 at work? Or did she own 1 and use 1 at work? I'm confused!

[Its just me]

Originally posted by cbcrime
I think the only time "your" own expert is allowed to witness an exmination of evidence is when "you" are a defendant and "your" attorney makes the request.

When you think about it you are probably correct. All evidence taken by the LE is theirs... and I doubt they would agree to have any private expert examine the computer and possible tamper with the evidence..if there are any. Wish they had treated the car like they did the computer and take it on day one. Much was lost on that decision.

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Originally posted by cbcrime
I think the only time "your" own expert is allowed to witness an exmination of evidence is when "you" are a defendant and "your" attorney makes the request.

I think you are right. That would be hard if you didn't trust them though. JMHO

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LOL @ IJM,

We posted at the same time!

:beer:

[odette]

Originally posted by barry9120


IMO, LG had no business going through anything independent of LE supervision. I would love to see the SOP for missing persons. When did LG go through the papers? Did he do it before GBI got there? IIRC, OPD Chief Hancock, decided early on to call in GBI and that GBI didn't get there until 3 in the afternoon. IMO, that's approximately 6 hours that the scene was not properly secured. When to FG, AG, LG get to Tara's house? Did they go to Tara's first or to the OPD HQs? Where was HD during all this time? IIRC he arrived at OPD on or about the same time as AG/LG.

Sorry that I can't be more helpful here .. maybe someone else can help out.

From memory, FG did not come to Ocilla that first day and HD did not go to Tara's house, although he was at the OPD.

I stand to be corrected.


IMO

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Originally posted by odette


It was her laptop computer which was in the closet.

MARIA HULETT, CLOSE FRIEND OF TARA GRINSTEAD`S: She`s a very clean, neat person. Everything was in her -- in the right place. She was very peculiar about her computer, her laptop. Those things were there. Her computer was on, which she kept on most the time. Her laptop was in the closet, like she`d always kept it.

This is how I read this:

She was very peculiar about her computer, her laptop.

Those things were there. Plural...things

Her computer was on, which she kept on most of the time. # 1 Computer in the computer room I take it

Her laptop was in the closet, like she'd always kept it.....#2 computer

That is how I read it. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Results
LOL @ IJM,

We posted at the same time!

:beer:

That's a nice thought...I am beginning to think like you..:)

[odette]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Okay did she have a desktop computer and a laptop? For some reason - I was thinking her computer was her laptop. The computer she used at school was a desktop correct? So did she own two and use 1 at work? Or did she own 1 and use 1 at work? I'm confused!

Hope this helps.

GATTIS: It was. Her land line phone was by her bed, answering machine-phone combination. And her cell phone was also taken. It was in a charger by her bed. They have both of those. They have her computer hard drive. They have her laptop.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html


Investigators are also said to be poring over Grinstead's phone records and have taken custody of her home computer and the hard drive of her computer at Irwin County High School, searching for any information.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

[cbcrime]

Awesome thank Odette - I'm straightened out now!:seeya:

[Its just me]

Originally posted by cbcrime
I just think that if anyone close to Tara knew that she was an informant - that would have been given to LE and her house would have been secured. The only caveat is if local LE was part of the "situation" Tara was informing on. I think it is a remote possibility. I just think this case would have been handled differently - maybe not by local LE - but GBI - especially since HD knew the GBI agent.

That is why I don't think Tara was an informant about things in Irwin County. I don't think I am smart enough to give a simple explaination on how this would have to work if Tara was an informant and was talking to HD. I do know that the GBI has state rules for them to get involved in a case outside of State owned property. The chief of Police can call them in if the population is large enough, any Sheriff or DA can call the GBI in and the story goes on. This can be found on the GBI's web site. If the GBI was working on a case that involves Irwin County and the Irwin County LE, DA or any other Irwin County official that can ask the GBI for assistance "did not know" about the GBI's investigation where Tara was an informant... it would have to be a conspircy of Irwin County people connected to whom ever called in the GBI. MHOO

[cbcrime]

Yep way too complicated. Don't believe it. Won't totally discount it but doubt it. IJM please check your pm's.

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by cbcrime
I just think that if anyone close to Tara knew that she was an informant - that would have been given to LE and her house would have been secured. The only caveat is if local LE was part of the "situation" Tara was informing on. I think it is a remote possibility. I just think this case would have been handled differently - maybe not by local LE - but GBI - especially since HD knew the GBI agent.

IMO, I seriously doubt she was an informant in Ocilla or for the GBI.
JMO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


IJM doesn't check her PMs on a regular basis, IMO:D

I'm skeered someone is trying to track me down. :D

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120
http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_108222546.html?keyword=topstory

This article puts somene at Tara's house long before HD was there. Was it ever substantiated? Witness had words with the driver, hmmmm? Do you all think this is true or just another red herring?

No offense intended.

As far as I know only AG, Dr. G and the GBI knows this answer. Only information on this was from Dr.G and AG and again the best I remember there may have been a few miss matched words in different reports. Dr. G and AG does not communicate well at times. Stand to be corrected and MHOO

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Originally posted by barry9120
http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_108222546.html?keyword=topstory

This article puts somene at Tara's house long before HD was there. Was it ever substantiated? Witness had words with the driver, hmmmm? Do you all think this is true or just another red herring?

No offense intended.

IMO No, it does not. We know that HD made a call at 12:15 AM we don't know when he got there. With the visual of the lights at her place I think IF this is true he had a good look at the person he had words with. Also a dark truck with the lighting that we just learned around Tara's home I think he saw the color of the truck. So, now we need to find out what time did HD actually get there and what time did he actually leave. JMHO

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More imortantly we need to find out if this witness is even true. The individuals that proclaim it is true don't have a real good track record so far. JMHO

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by Its just me


You are right LG had no business going through anything but remember the GBI started doing their investigation around 3 PM on Monday and it lasted until early hours Tuesday morning. When the GBI left they left everything wide open for anyone to do anything they wanted to do after they left. I think AG and LG went to the police department and also HD (may be wrong) Surely goodness the Police and the Sheriff's departments had since enough to clear the neightbors and the other people who arrived in the beginning out of the house. I can half way over look the det. allowing MHu to walk through just to see if she noticed anything unusual if this was before the GBI was called. After the GBI was called the house should have been secured and no one allowed inside. I remember something about some of Tara's students going by Tara's maybe on Tuesday night and mentioned about talking to AG. I am guessing LG went through the papers after GBI left Tuesday AM hours and turned the house back over to who-ever as well as Tara's car. About as stupid as you can get. MHOO Don't forget the idiots was back searching for evidence days later (same time the necklace was found) and took the car way after that and the car was had already been washed and sparkling clean waiting many weeks for the same idiots to get it. Sorry but can you justify these actions. MHOO
IJM, I'm sure others have noticed this as well as myself, but maybe no one else has asked. You are very clear in your assertion that the GBI is involved in some sort of cover up, and/or they are not doing their job, and/or you do not trust them for some reason. Can you elaborate on this? More specifically, does it have anything to do with the Tara Grinstead case, or just a personal (bad) experience you had with GBI? Your reasoning here would be appreciated if it can be helpful to Tara's case. No offense intended toward you, I am just curious about your past statements putting GBI in a negative light.

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Her other post explains why she feels this way and according to her post it does have something to do with Tara's case because she says one of the Agents working Tara's case is one of the Agents in her incident. I don't know where this post is but it is here some wheres it was not deleted. Hope that helped.

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Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

IJM, I'm sure others have noticed this as well as myself, but maybe no one else has asked. You are very clear in your assertion that the GBI is involved in some sort of cover up, and/or they are not doing their job, and/or you do not trust them for some reason. Can you elaborate on this? More specifically, does it have anything to do with the Tara Grinstead case, or just a personal (bad) experience you had with GBI? Your reasoning here would be appreciated if it can be helpful to Tara's case. No offense intended toward you, I am just curious about your past statements putting GBI in a negative light.

I bumped the post for you on the New Topic thread where she had posted and explained herself about the GBI.

[odette]

Originally posted by Results


IMO No, it does not. We know that HD made a call at 12:15 AM we don't know when he got there. With the visual of the lights at her place I think IF this is true he had a good look at the person he had words with. Also a dark truck with the lighting that we just learned around Tara's home I think he saw the color of the truck. So, now we need to find out what time did HD actually get there and what time did he actually leave. JMHO

Exactly Results .. We don't know when HD first arrived at Tara's to "check on her". This particular witness saw the truck and had an encounter with with this person between 8:pm and 10:pm on the Sunday night. IMO, HD could have been "around" Tara's house a couple or so hours before 12:15 am on the Monday, when his cellphone records allegedly place him there.

I posted this on the 6:am thread to clarify that it was on the Sunday night when this "witness" saw the truck/driver.

This article is a little confusing but I read it as the "following" night when this particular vehicle was seen at Tara's.

Grinstead was last seen Oct. 22, 2005, and her sister Anita Gattis believes that a man spotted at the teacher’s home the "following night" might have had a hand in the disappearance.....

She said that between 8 and 10 that night, he spotted a man parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck.
http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_108222546.html?keyword=topstory

IMO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

IJM, I'm sure others have noticed this as well as myself, but maybe no one else has asked. You are very clear in your assertion that the GBI is involved in some sort of cover up, and/or they are not doing their job, and/or you do not trust them for some reason. Can you elaborate on this? More specifically, does it have anything to do with the Tara Grinstead case, or just a personal (bad) experience you had with GBI? Your reasoning here would be appreciated if it can be helpful to Tara's case. No offense intended toward you, I am just curious about your past statements putting GBI in a negative light.

Thank you for asking Broadway Joe. I answered on another thread where Results has bumped my post. I hope this helps and for the safety of my evidence I will not go any deeper in my involvement with the GBI. I speak the Truth and only want the people to know but my personal experience with the GBI corruption and cover up can be a "possibility" in Tara's case. Usually if one does something one time they will do it again. I have NO evidence of any corruption in Tara's case and until they open their mouth and produce some information I will remain without evidence.

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by odette


Exactly Results .. We don't know when HD first arrived at Tara's to "check on her". This particular witness saw the truck and had an encounter with with this person between 8:pm and 10:pm on the Sunday night. IMO, HD could have been "around" Tara's house a couple or so hours before 12:15 am on the Monday, when his cellphone records allegedly place him there.

I posted this on the 6:am thread to clarify that it was on the Sunday night when this "witness" saw the truck/driver.

This article is a little confusing but I read it as the "following" night when this particular vehicle was seen at Tara's.

Grinstead was last seen Oct. 22, 2005, and her sister Anita Gattis believes that a man spotted at the teacher’s home the "following night" might have had a hand in the disappearance.....

She said that between 8 and 10 that night, he spotted a man parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck.
http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_108222546.html?keyword=topstory

IMO



I have always wondered what kind of truck or car that HD drove. Does anybody know? any help is much appreciated. JMO

[odette]

Originally posted by barry9120


That's my take on it, too. Everyone is assuming that Tara went missing sometime after 11:00 pm Sat Oct 22 and the early morning hours of Sun Oct 23, IMO. Maybe, Tara was home Sunday working on grading papers, studying, going through her closet sorting through her clothes for the change of season, puttering around the house, checking her email, etc., IMO. Does anyone know if she took delivery of any of the local papers? If so, the Sunday edition is usually larger than most of the rest of the week, IMO. She could have been chilling out, reading the papers. She may not have had any reason to go out Sunday or she did and those Sunday afternoon sightings may be very valid, IMO. With the info Results provided about the vacant house next door, the black truck guy could have pulled in there anytime Sunday without being seen, IMO. Maybe this is the guy that Tara was seeing, IMO and JMHO. Just because no one heard from Tara Sunday doesn't mean she wasn't home, IMO. She had an argument with her mother previously, maybe she just didn't feel like dealing with her because she had company, IMO.

Bumping back to HD. Wonder if he was still calling her phones after 10:20 Saturday and 8:50 am Monday. IIRC, the 12:15 am Monday call was to FG. IMO, it would be very telling how many times he called her after this.

JMHO and no offense intended.

I actually think that Tara had a "visitor" after she got home from the BBQ.


IMO

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


That's my take on it, too. Everyone is assuming that Tara went missing sometime after 11:00 pm Sat Oct 22 and the early morning hours of Sun Oct 23, IMO. Maybe, Tara was home Sunday working on grading papers, studying, going through her closet sorting through her clothes for the change of season, puttering around the house, checking her email, etc., IMO. Does anyone know if she took delivery of any of the local papers? If so, the Sunday edition is usually larger than most of the rest of the week, IMO. She could have been chilling out, reading the papers. She may not have had any reason to go out Sunday or she did and those Sunday afternoon sightings may be very valid, IMO. With the info Results provided about the vacant house next door, the black truck guy could have pulled in there anytime Sunday without being seen, IMO. Maybe this is the guy that Tara was seeing, IMO and JMHO. Just because no one heard from Tara Sunday doesn't mean she wasn't home, IMO. She had an argument with her mother previously, maybe she just didn't feel like dealing with her because she had company, IMO.

Bumping back to HD. Wonder if he was still calling her phones after 10:20 Saturday and 8:50 am Monday. IIRC, the 12:15 am Monday call was to FG. IMO, it would be very telling how many times he called her after this.

JMHO and no offense intended.

Darn barry...I never even thought of that. I always thought HD staged those phone calls but I never thought about did he make another call to her after that. I just wonder if HD called her after he left a 12:15 AM Monday. hmmmmmm.....oh I got to think about this one. JMHO

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Also another poster pointed out that why would HD go back at around 6 AM because Tara would be getting ready for school. Maybe he knew she wouldn't be there and maybe he didn't call her anymore. I would love to know the times and dates on the phone messages at Tara's house from HD. Not from the answering machine from the phone records. I stand firm in my belief that HD is #1 POI. We kept digging trying to find out information on HD and we wouldn't stop. HD is the one the name that no matter how we eliminate he comes right back up. This is the only POI that you can put at her house and I wonder how many times he has been interviewed by the GBI? JMHO

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Sorry, my favorite line....one more thing....how long could it take him to get to the Perry GBI office from his Perry residential house? That just erks me. JMHO

[TuscanDreams]

Questions for those who think that Tara's ex HD is a Person of Interest in this case.

1. What would he have to gain??

2. Did he have the means, opportunity and what is his motive to accomplish harming Tara?

My thoughts are that he's not good for this crime. At all.

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Originally posted by TuscanDreams
Questions for those who think that Tara's ex HD is a Person of Interest in this case.

1. What would he have to gain??

2. Did he have the means, opportunity and what is his motive to accomplish harming Tara?

My thoughts are that he's not good for this crime. At all.

To me it is just the opposit. What did he have to lose? JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


What do you want to know? I have no secrets.

Great! Start from the begining of this case. Tell all you know. That would be great. TIA

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by barry9120


Sweetheart, your are assuming he is her ex. No one has come forward and confirmed a relationship that an entire community has known about.

Stupid HD told his wife or confirmed for her that he and Tara were and item. I think his messages speak to that. He loved Tara. And, he and his lovely wife did split up very soom after Tara went missing

barry,

Are you thinking that HD wasn't an ex, but the "current" partner?

Thankx.

[cbcrime]

I can see why it could look like HD staged those phone calls as an excuse for his being there on Sun/Mon - but why leave messages about I love you and I'm sorry. If they were staged - wouldn't he be pretending he was just a friend worried about her? Why bring so much attention to himself?

I don't know thre is something about those calls that ring true. To me it seems like he really didn't know where she was and he was worried.

I could be wrong - but what if there is another person that people weren't aware of. Someone who had a temper and trouble controlling it?

It is obvious that there was more than friendship with HD. But we really don't know how long had it gone on? Had they broken up? Did his wife know before Tara went missing? What are their alibis? Did HD work that weekend. If so when and what calls did he handle? If the calls to Tara were made on a cell phone - do they know what Towers were used to determine location?

We don't know if FG and/or HD called Mon @6:00 am on to see if Tara was getting ready for work. Why was MHu already that am looking for Tara? What is the sequence - that caused so much concern that the search was already started before 8:00 am? The problem is that there are so few actual facts so we get to speculate away.

[sogalady]

Originally posted by barry9120


Sweetheart, your are assuming he is her ex. No one has come forward and confirmed a relationship that an entire community has known about.

Stupid HD told his wife or confirmed for her that he and Tara were and item. I think his messages speak to that. He loved Tara. And, he and his lovely wife did split up very soom after Tara went missing

Barry, I don't understand,,, "I think his messages speak to that." Which messages are you referring to ? Also,, " He loved Tara." is this speculation or do you know this to be a fact ?

BTW,, where are you tonight,,,,,,we all miss you !

[RCM-715]

I find the post by barry9120 re: MH being a loser hateful and serves no purpose. Even though I am a new poster I am not new to this case. So, I am well aware of all that has been stated on the boards. We live in a hateful world and some people have no consideration. I feel and have felt MH had nothing to do with TG disappearance. Barry stated MH is a loser. MH is far from a loser! Served with the OPD as a SGT, has a college degree and is well traveled. He served with the 1/75th Bad A** Special Operations group of Army Rangers! Served our county as a private security contractor and is in good standing with this position at present. I understand he is far from unhappy these days and is certainly not "ruined" from law enforcement or anything else! I know he has no desire to serve as a police officer in the future ever. His present job is kick A** and he enjoys serving that position. Some men would only hope to do what MH has actually done. I certainly don't call this guy a loser! He is not to be compared to HD in any way! They can't be compared. HD isn't made of the stuff that MH is! Far from it! Remember: He did not want to continue a relationship with Tara even though she wanted him back. That certainly doesn't sound like she was replacing MH with a "real man", but rather a married one that came in 2nd. By the way Barry...what have you done in your life to serve society?

[cbcrime]

I do not know HD his wife or MH. And I am going to by pass Barry9210 post.

So with that said - I'm going to talk about the HD phone calls. The only way I see that it would benefit him to have staged those calls - is if he wanted an excuse to be there on 10/24 at 12:15. He could then say - he hadn't heard from her and was worried so checked on her. To the point of even calling her mom. I can't see how these calls would help him other than that. Maybe I am missing something.

So why bring attention to the fact that your relationship is more than friends. This is if the reports of the substance of the calls is true. If they were staged - I think they would be more along the lines - worried about you - give me a call. He could always claim it was the emotional roller coaster she was on that had him worried. So the one thing that rang true - was that he really was worried that he couldn't reach her. Of course this is just my opinion. And if someone has other thoughts - I'd like to hear them.

[Results]

Originally posted by cbcrime
I do not know HD his wife or MH. And I am going to by pass Barry9210 post.

So with that said - I'm going to talk about the HD phone calls. The only way I see that it would benefit him to have staged those calls - is if he wanted an excuse to be there on 10/24 at 12:15. He could then say - he hadn't heard from her and was worried so checked on her. To the point of even calling her mom. I can't see how these calls would help him other than that. Maybe I am missing something.

So why bring attention to the fact that your relationship is more than friends. This is if the reports of the substance of the calls is true. If they were staged - I think they would be more along the lines - worried about you - give me a call. He could always claim it was the emotional roller coaster she was on that had him worried. So the one thing that rang true - was that he really was worried that he couldn't reach her. Of course this is just my opinion. And if someone has other thoughts - I'd like to hear them.

The reason for the content of the messages is IMO to stage the calls. It is more believable that he didn't stage the phone calls because of the contents of the messages. Which worked because alot of people don't think it was staged because of the contents on the messages. He is no fool. He is a Captain of a PD. To hold such a high rank I would think that you would have to be very good in LE. JMHO

[sogalady]

Originally posted by RCM-715
I find the post by barry9120 re: MH being a loser hateful and serves no purpose. Even though I am a new poster I am not new to this case. So, I am well aware of all that has been stated on the boards. We live in a hateful world and some people have no consideration. I feel and have felt MH had nothing to do with TG disappearance. Barry stated MH is a loser. MH is far from a loser! Served with the OPD as a SGT, has a college degree and is well traveled. He served with the 1/75th Bad A** Special Operations group of Army Rangers! Served our county as a private security contractor and is in good standing with this position at present. I understand he is far from unhappy these days and is certainly not "ruined" from law enforcement or anything else! I know he has no desire to serve as a police officer in the future ever. His present job is kick A** and he enjoys serving that position. Some men would only hope to do what MH has actually done. I certainly don't call this guy a loser! He is not to be compared to HD in any way! They can't be compared. HD isn't made of the stuff that MH is! Far from it! Remember: He did not want to continue a relationship with Tara even though she wanted him back. That certainly doesn't sound like she was replacing MH with a "real man", but rather a married one that came in 2nd. By the way Barry...what have you done in your life to serve society?

RCM-175

Isn't it sorta sad that anyone could be so envious of another person to go as far as to call someone like MH a loser ? That is about as obvious it gets ! A loser, LMAO,, that is about as far as I have heard anyone go in what I would call the absurd category .

RCM-175,, A big pat on the back and IMO,, your "2 cents worth" was worth about a million bucks! Thanks a lot for speaking the truth ! :beer:

[georgiapeach29]

RCM, you sure seem to know a lot about MH. JMO, no offence intended what so ever Have a good night everybody :)






QUOTE]Originally posted by sogalady








RCM-175

Isn't it sorta sad that anyone could be so envious of another person to go as far as to call someone like MH a loser ? That is about as obvious it gets ! A loser, LMAO,, that is about as far as I have heard anyone go in what I would call the absurd category .

RCM-175,, A big pat on the back and IMO,, your "2 cents worth" was worth about a million bucks! Thanks a lot for speaking the truth ! :beer: [/QUOTE]

[georgiapeach29]

Please pm me, RCM-175 :)








Originally posted by RCM-715
I find the post by barry9120 re: MH being a loser hateful and serves no purpose. Even though I am a new poster I am not new to this case. So, I am well aware of all that has been stated on the boards. We live in a hateful world and some people have no consideration. I feel and have felt MH had nothing to do with TG disappearance. Barry stated MH is a loser. MH is far from a loser! Served with the OPD as a SGT, has a college degree and is well traveled. He served with the 1/75th Bad A** Special Operations group of Army Rangers! Served our county as a private security contractor and is in good standing with this position at present. I understand he is far from unhappy these days and is certainly not "ruined" from law enforcement or anything else! I know he has no desire to serve as a police officer in the future ever. His present job is kick A** and he enjoys serving that position. Some men would only hope to do what MH has actually done. I certainly don't call this guy a loser! He is not to be compared to HD in any way! They can't be compared. HD isn't made of the stuff that MH is! Far from it! Remember: He did not want to continue a relationship with Tara even though she wanted him back. That certainly doesn't sound like she was replacing MH with a "real man", but rather a married one that came in 2nd. By the way Barry...what have you done in your life to serve society?

[georgiapeach29]

Imo, "a real man" would'nt cheat on his wife. Maybe a "weak" man, but, not a real man. Theres nothing I can't stand anymore than a married man who cheats on his wife. It's not only disrespectful to his wife but, also the woman he's cheating with. Tara was/is a very pretty, confident special lady and imo deserverd better!!
Don't even, get me started on a cheating man!! and "Heres to finding a good man"
I love that song, its so true!!


Originally posted by IrwinIndian
What in the world are these underlined things all about??? This post took me by surprise, barry.

[cbcrime]

Well I would have to know HD or get confirmation from someone who knows him to see if he is that smart. I work in LE (not officer) and I've seen some high ranking people that are not the brightest bulb in the box. People get promoted for all kinds of reasons. And that is not to say that HD didn't earn his position or isn't smart. I just don't really know. I do know that in general the answer is the obvious one.

I don't think that Tara's disappearance was planned out. I think someone reacted in anger. And I think that they took advantage of the area and put Tara someplace that it would be hard to find a body. I don't know who, I just know Tara is not home.

As far as cheating - who's a real man etc. MH, HD and his wife are real people. Whatever did or did not happen between HD and his wife is their's to handle. Affairs happen and can lead to real pain for all the parties involved.

I feel it is all right to speculate on whether an affair happened - and the effect that it might have had on Tara's disappearance. The more I learn about this case - the sadder I become. Because we all have a facade, a front we put on for the world and the layers of Tara's are being peeled back. And it seems that she was not as confident not as happy with herself as she portrayed. She had wonderful qualities and some not so wonderful, like all of us. And she had a part of her that was very fragile.

So I quess we all just continue on and hope that Tara is found.

The above is my opinion only.

[Results]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Well I would have to know HD or get confirmation from someone who knows him to see if he is that smart. I work in LE (not officer) and I've seen some high ranking people that are not the brightest bulb in the box. People get promoted for all kinds of reasons. And that is not to say that HD didn't earn his position or isn't smart. I just don't really know. I do know that in general the answer is the obvious one.

I don't think that Tara's disappearance was planned out. I think someone reacted in anger. And I think that they took advantage of the area and put Tara someplace that it would be hard to find a body. I don't know who, I just know Tara is not home.

As far as cheating - who's a real man etc. MH, HD and his wife are real people. Whatever did or did not happen between HD and his wife is their's to handle. Affairs happen and can lead to real pain for all the parties involved.

I feel it is all right to speculate on whether an affair happened - and the effect that it might have had on Tara's disappearance. The more I learn about this case - the sadder I become. Because we all have a facade, a front we put on for the world and the layers of Tara's are being peeled back. And it seems that she was not as confident not as happy with herself as she portrayed. She had wonderful qualities and some not so wonderful, like all of us. And she had a part of her that was very fragile.

So I quess we all just continue on and hope that Tara is found.

The above is my opinion only.

I respect your opinion CB. I agree none of us are perfect. But I believe when a person goes missing any bad traits are good traits are important. It is not to talk bad about the missing person it is to try to shed light on what could have happened. It could be crucial in locating them. I have my opinions and they may not be right at all. But, I believe strongly in my opinions and my theory. JMHO

[simply quiet]

Barry,

I think there really have been times that the dog did actually eat the homework, and we all know that houses can be broken into while one is away.

But this is a stretch if I am reading you correctly. A hacker must have known you would be away and hacked into your computer, and this hacker happened to know the Tara Grinstead case?

:confused:

[cbcrime]

Results I respect your opinion. And yes these are all things that need to be discussed. It was just that the humaness of the case was in my face. We post and a lot of times it is abstract. As I said I believe we should discuss all aspects of the case. It was the judgement about cheaters - not your post that caught me. And I understand not liking someone who cheats. But it was just - we don't really know what happened between HD and his wife - and I just think that is something between the two of them.

Is HD a poi - yep. Could he have done it yep. Yes it is very important to look at Tara's life because it will hold the key to why and who.

The more I hear about Tara - it is like she was wounded. And she was trying to heal that wound. It seems she might have done this with different relationships. I think those scars stem from childhood. And to me that is terribly sad. IMOO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by barry9120


No, actually it's much more simple than that from what I've been told this morning. If you leave your computer on anyone with any savvy can infiltrate your PC and, if they can do that they know a whole lot more than I do, but they can find cookies and such to find your userids and passwords to login to sights that you have visited. They also can tell if you are active or inactive which gives them an advantage, all our PCs and accounts, though on were not actively being used. I don't know about you, but when I finish posting at CTV I don't log off, I just move on. That leaves you vulnerable because you haven't cleared something called cookies. Hey, I'm not a computer scientist, I don't understand half of what I've been told. But, it was probably someone who is also posting on CTV who is messing with me. My bank accounts were also checked although a simple change of passwords and an email to the bank should solve that problem, I hope. I don't think any of us realize how open we are to being victimized over the internet. I learned the hard way.

IMO, whoever got my CTV userid and password was someone who is familiar with this case. I'm not the paranoid type but I do know of one other poster here that was compromised. I'm not overly excited about it anymore. I just think someone was messing with me. It happens, I'm told, so I'm not gonna sweat it unless money goes missing from my bank accounts, only kidding, we took care of that first thing!

So, it may sound like the dog ate the homework but it was just carelessness on my part and my family's part by not securing our online personalities and information.

JMHO and IMO no offense intended.

Was there a response from Freshwater? I assume you reported it to them, becuase you think it was a poster from this forum.

I think that is terrible and should be investigated, if it was someone from here.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by barry9120


No, actually it's much more simple than that from what I've been told this morning. If you leave your computer on anyone with any savvy can infiltrate your PC and, if they can do that they know a whole lot more than I do, but they can find cookies and such to find your userids and passwords to login to sights that you have visited. They also can tell if you are active or inactive which gives them an advantage, all our PCs and accounts, though on were not actively being used. I don't know about you, but when I finish posting at CTV I don't log off, I just move on. That leaves you vulnerable because you haven't cleared something called cookies. Hey, I'm not a computer scientist, I don't understand half of what I've been told. But, it was probably someone who is also posting on CTV who is messing with me. My bank accounts were also checked although a simple change of passwords and an email to the bank should solve that problem, I hope. I don't think any of us realize how open we are to being victimized over the internet. I learned the hard way.

IMO, whoever got my CTV userid and password was someone who is familiar with this case. I'm not the paranoid type but I do know of one other poster here that was compromised. I'm not overly excited about it anymore. I just think someone was messing with me. It happens, I'm told, so I'm not gonna sweat it unless money goes missing from my bank accounts, only kidding, we took care of that first thing!

So, it may sound like the dog ate the homework but it was just carelessness on my part and my family's part by not securing our online personalities and information.

JMHO and IMO no offense intended.
Sorry Barry, but knowing what I know, I'm not buying it. Albeit much information COULD be learned about you, and your accounts and passwords could be compromised, there would be no motive for the so-called hacker to post on Courttv in your name. I mean, really, think about that for a moment. Why would they do that when they could do a host of other things instead? Also, if you were convinced it was someone on this board, why would you post all the details of it (and how you remedied it) on the very forum that you think it orginated from? Not to mention that you almost made light of the fact that someone (you say) went into your bank accounts, and you're willing to let bygones be bygones. HUH? That's a FEDERAL offense Barry. You just don't seem mad enough about something like that to have really experienced it. JMO, not wanted to MAKE you mad, but I'm just not buying that explanation of yours, especially when you go back on the VERY FORUM that you say caused the problem, and post all sorts of personal info of how you handled it.

On the OTHER hand, if you and a few other posters here have done a *no no* in the past, and are now trying to cover your tracks or muddle the issue, then pretending you were hacked might be the way to go, IMO. What better way to explain away some of the posts of the past? JMHO, no offense intended.

[odette]

Originally posted by simply quiet
Barry,

I think there really have been times that the dog did actually eat the homework, and we all know that houses can be broken into while one is away.

But this is a stretch if I am reading you correctly. A hacker must have known you would be away and hacked into your computer, and this hacker happened to know the Tara Grinstead case?

:confused:

and this hacker happened to know the Tara Grinstead case?

Yes .. the "hacker" sure knew a whole lot about HD and MH.

Odd, very odd indeed. :confused:

[Results]

Originally posted by cbcrime
Results I respect your opinion. And yes these are all things that need to be discussed. It was just that the humaness of the case was in my face. We post and a lot of times it is abstract. As I said I believe we should discuss all aspects of the case. It was the judgement about cheaters - not your post that caught me. And I understand not liking someone who cheats. But it was just - we don't really know what happened between HD and his wife - and I just think that is something between the two of them.

Is HD a poi - yep. Could he have done it yep. Yes it is very important to look at Tara's life because it will hold the key to why and who.

The more I hear about Tara - it is like she was wounded. And she was trying to heal that wound. It seems she might have done this with different relationships. I think those scars stem from childhood. And to me that is terribly sad. IMOO

CB,

Either I misread your post or there is something about me you want to say but don't want to. You don't have to sugar coat it for me. Say what you mean and mean what you say. This past week I have noticed your post towards me. I have bent over backwards to give you respect and to tell you up front ... no, I don't agree with you BUT I respected your opinion. Yet every jab that you could get in towards me ... you chose to do so. I don't care who you are and I don't care if your the President of the US .... I will not tolerate this behavior from you. Ignore my post afterall it was not the one that got your attention. You do not have to worry about me responding to your post anymore, CB. You have a nice day. Just my HONEST FEELINGS.

[TuscanDreams]

JMO- Use a password that is different on every forum and then, make it with letters and numbers. It makes it harder for people to steal your info.

Hope that helps.

[jond]

Originally posted by barry9120


Odette,

I'm not sure how to interpret your post. Are you implying that my system wasn't hacked? I most certainly went through a lot of trouble and expense to have every PC and laptop in this house thoroughly purged and upgraded with the best firewalls we could find. This was not a pleasant experience for us. And, I have recieved a lot of pms from others who have had the same experience. Someone lurking or posting over here has some real good computer savvy, that's all I can say. Because, yes. the "hacker" does know a lot about this board. So far, thank goodness, our more important on line accounts haven't been touched.

I can see that this incident has undermined my credibility and sincereity as a poster here. I'm so very sorry that it has. I think I'll just take a break from this for a while. Good luck to you all.

Barry9120, I had a similar event though it did not stem from CTV...when I posted the event on CTV, lets just say I received a less than warm response from many. You may have suffered what is called a "coincidence". Don't be discouraged...what is weird and scary is that a poster(s) would take the time to track down IP addresses and invade your privacy and property. I suppose someone has their little black book of IP addresses...as if that would make a difference in the TG case...just a little perverse in my book.

[cbcrime]

Results - no I have no problem with you. Honestly I wanted to know hy you felt the calls were staged. Because I felt I must be missing something. That is why I asked - I really wanted to understand why you felt that way. I don't have to agree with anyone. My feeling is this - in most cases it is the simple answer that is normally what happened. So I don't know how I feel about HD - doing a double blind. Honestly I don't know. If I didn't respect you - I wouldn't talk directly to your post. I only discuss back and forth with people that I respect. So I am sorry if you misunderstood. If you don't want to interact with me - that's okay. I just won't respond to any of your posts.

The only post that bothered me - was the one that was judging cheaters. And that was because if HD and Tara cheated - then the relationship is open for discussion - to judge them - don't agree with that. But it is just my opinion.

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


Odette,

I'm not sure how to interpret your post. Are you implying that my system wasn't hacked? I most certainly went through a lot of trouble and expense to have every PC and laptop in this house thoroughly purged and upgraded with the best firewalls we could find. This was not a pleasant experience for us. And, I have recieved a lot of pms from others who have had the same experience. Someone lurking or posting over here has some real good computer savvy, that's all I can say. Because, yes. the "hacker" does know a lot about this board. So far, thank goodness, our more important on line accounts haven't been touched.

I can see that this incident has undermined my credibility and sincereity as a poster here. I'm so very sorry that it has. I think I'll just take a break from this for a while. Good luck to you all.

I think that would be a mistake barry.....IMO.....to take a break for a while. When someone tries to tear your reputation apart by no means retreat .... come out fighting. Those post that were made....I agree....was so off the wall it had all us of like .... WTH.....it didn't sound like you nor did it have the IMO everywhere in your post like it normally did. Everything was different ... the tone, the writing, and the hatred of those post. I got to ask you though....why would they pick you? Do you have any idea who this might have been? Has someone here been harassing you? How could you be a threat to this case....is it because of who you are and if it is WHO KNOWS WHO YOU ARE? Some time back I saw some poster refering you to the CB board as RestingVA.....is this true? Is there a purpose to try to discredit you? It has to be somebody that knows this case so well and it is either something that you know or someone who you know? I will give you a benefit of a doubt barry. But there has to be a reason some how connected.....who and why? TIA and JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


I have no idea nor do I care. I saw that Restinva thing too and went ovet to the cb boards and saw where she mentioned me in one of her posts, big deal. It was nothing compared to what was said about luvmy2labpups or fbsiii or any other poster on this board.

I'm just so angry that my personal information has now been invaded. Like I said earlier, I received pms from folks who had the same experience. It is not uncommon. If you leave your pc on and you do not log off from sites you have visited your information can be obtained by almost anyone. I'm not a very happy person right now. We have secured most of our financial data and that's a little reassuring. But. I just caution anyone who opens themselves to the internet, beware, there are nefarious individuals out there who will grab your ip, your userids and passwords and make you feel like crap.

That's about all I have to say about this.

Thanks to all who have provided me with support. Good luck to you with the search for Tara. Don't let yourselves get derailed from topic and don't leave your PCs on.

Barry,

What are you talking about ... who mentioned you? I know your upset because your computer was hacked into but don't you care who did it? That don't make sense. Why would you leave this case? You seemed much tougher to me not to quit. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by barry9120


Results,

There's a poster or member at CB that mentioned me in one of their posts when I got banned from this forum. It was not a big deal, really. It's not that I can't take it but if you saw what happened to my little girl's myspace account you would understand why I don't want to make my family vulnerable. Granted, we found out a lot about what goes on in the teenage world, but it wasn't worth what was put on her space. I'm not a big proponent of myspace but the admin guy, Tim or Tom, is great. He was on it so fast we couldn't have been more pleased. I'd still like to get her banned from that myspace, though, just a parent's wishful thinking:)

I'm very thankful to the other posters and those who pm'd me who validated that this can happen. It happened to me, why, I don't know and I don't care. I have taken extra precautions, installed new firewalls, and changed passwords. It's just such a pain in the butt.

Like I said in an earlier post, my credibility here is shot. It just doesn't make any sense to continue to post when everything I say will be taken in the same light as, well, John Mark Karr's confession!!! It's not that I don't care about Tara, I do and I want her found and I want the perp brought to justice. It's just that I feel to continue to post under the current circumstances would be an injustice to the search for Tara.

IMO and JMHO and no offense intended.

I always thought you were one of the posters that were here for Tara. If you feel you should leave then I can't stop you. However, hacked you got just what they wanted.....for you to leave. As I said before if you leave I feel it would be a mistake but I realize you have to do what you think it is right. I hope you think really hard before you make a spur of a moment decision. I think it is important who did it because of what you were talking about and just maybe you were getting too close.....don't know. But, if you do leave....you gave them what they wanted. I respect any decision you make. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
I do not know if this is the same barry or not, but "barry9120" on websleuths.com shows this:

Last Activity: Yesterday 06:58 PM

I checked it tonight, so that must mean Saturday night at 6:58 pm I think. The mods at the site may be able to tell if someone logged in as you there (if that is the same person)? FWIW

eta: I am glad that wasnt you posting that weird stuff yesterday btw!!!

I know your post is not addressed to me. I can't stand by and let a poster be ruined by a hacker.....there is alot of accusations going on on this board. Barry needs to check with this Admin too on this other site. Did someone post on this other site? I think we should all try to find out WTH, (excuse my french but I am upset) is going on. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by Freshwater
Well this is the second time during my tenure at Crime Library where a poster has made this claim to me. In the first case we could find no evidence on our end of a hack - I intend to get as much information as I can and I will provide that clarification right here on the board. I will get to the bottom of the problem and steps will be taken to prevent this from happening to any other poster at CL. I'll work on this tomorrow and get back to you all.

FH20

Thank you FW.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Freshwater
Well this is the second time during my tenure at Crime Library where a poster has made this claim to me. In the first case we could find no evidence on our end of a hack - I intend to get as much information as I can and I will provide that clarification right here on the board. I will get to the bottom of the problem and steps will be taken to prevent this from happening to any other poster at CL. I'll work on this tomorrow and get back to you all.

FH20

TY FW, I knew you would be on top of this.

If one of us is doing something illeagal it should be made known.
Left unexplored just leaves a bad feeling amongst us as a group.

[Results]

We as a team of posters have made great discussions lately. Let us all get back on topic and continue our search for Tara. I noticed Odette's post earlier said that she thinks she had company after the BBQ that Saturday night. Was it RR? Also, I would like to ask this does anyone know if it is true that AV and Tara had a relationship. This guy is admitting that they did and only a few people knew about it. He passed his LDT, IIRC. So, do you guys think that this is true about AV and Tara? JMO

[cbcrime]

I believe that they did have a relationship. IIRC - it was mentioned about window - and we wondered if this was a Tara thing - the window at AV and the window at MH. IMO

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by cbcrime
I believe that they did have a relationship. IIRC - it was mentioned about window - and we wondered if this was a Tara thing - the window at AV and the window at MH. IMO

Well....lets get the whole story out.

I have no link....but I do believe there was talk of her being seen by AV's mother at the window, and perhaps AV s'mother had confronted Tara. I have only read this in posts here, I have no other back up, and do not know if it was debunked.

[Results]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Well....lets get the whole story out.

I have no link....but I do believe there was talk of her being seen by AV's mother at the window, and perhaps AV s'mother had confronted Tara. I have only read this in posts here, I have no other back up, and do not know if it was debunked.

I wonder if AV's mother took actions on this or just had a talk with Tara and it didn't go any further then that. Wondered if she worried that AV's mother would tell. Maye it wasn't anything Tara thought SF or anyone might tell MH about the HD incident but actually about this AV's window incident? Hmmmm....makes you think about all sorts of things. JMHO

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Its just me


That's a nice thought...I am beginning to think like you..:)

IJM,, check your PM's

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Freshwater
Well this is the second time during my tenure at Crime Library where a poster has made this claim to me. In the first case we could find no evidence on our end of a hack - I intend to get as much information as I can and I will provide that clarification right here on the board. I will get to the bottom of the problem and steps will be taken to prevent this from happening to any other poster at CL. I'll work on this tomorrow and get back to you all.

FH20

Thank you so much Freshwater,,, I think that this will lessen the anxiousness of the posters here,, whatever the outcome. We certainly appreciate you ! Thanks again,, Sogalady

[cbcrime]

IIRC there were statements made - that there were some rumors before Tara even went missing about her and AV. AV is obviously young and immature. It would seem that this is why he was pounding at her door. And it was supposedly AV who yelled obscenties at her at the stop light. So he was having problems handling whatever was between them real or imagined.

I know that he supposdely had an alibi - but for what time period? I believe the alibi statement came from a CL article. It seems that Tara was surrounded by relationships that were imploding. IMOO

[mooloo]

Where did Marcus go to college and get his degree? What is the degree? Haven't heard anyone mention this before...

He is lucky to have a friend as devoted as you.


Originally posted by RCM-715
I find the post by barry9120 re: MH being a loser hateful and serves no purpose. Even though I am a new poster I am not new to this case. So, I am well aware of all that has been stated on the boards. We live in a hateful world and some people have no consideration. I feel and have felt MH had nothing to do with TG disappearance. Barry stated MH is a loser. MH is far from a loser! Served with the OPD as a SGT, has a college degree and is well traveled. He served with the 1/75th Bad A** Special Operations group of Army Rangers! Served our county as a private security contractor and is in good standing with this position at present. I understand he is far from unhappy these days and is certainly not "ruined" from law enforcement or anything else! I know he has no desire to serve as a police officer in the future ever. His present job is kick A** and he enjoys serving that position. Some men would only hope to do what MH has actually done. I certainly don't call this guy a loser! He is not to be compared to HD in any way! They can't be compared. HD isn't made of the stuff that MH is! Far from it! Remember: He did not want to continue a relationship with Tara even though she wanted him back. That certainly doesn't sound like she was replacing MH with a "real man", but rather a married one that came in 2nd. By the way Barry...what have you done in your life to serve society?

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by Its just janice

If he believed his own fantasy of having a relationship with Tara, he would pass that portion of the LDT IMO.

How do you know what questions were asked of him?

Jus because he passed a LDT does not mean he did NOT have an affair/relationship with Tara. It just means according to the machine he answered correctly.

I would think the questions were more in the line with, did you harm Tara etc.....but that is just my opinion.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by Its just janice

No, he would have been asked about a relationship also IMO. My point being, if he WAS asked that question, and his fantasy was "real" to HIM, then he would have passed on that question.

Sometimes the questions aren't that specific, but you are correct that he would have passed that particular question IF the relationship was REAL IN HIS MIND so to speak.

[BroadwayJoe]

They aren't 100% reliable by any stretch of the imagination. Some people fail just due to stress, and some people pass that are guilty of something, and vice versa.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
They aren't 100% reliable by any stretch of the imagination. Some people fail just due to stress, and some people pass that are guilty of something, and vice versa.

I agree and that is why the results of a LDT can not be used in a courtroom.

[cbcrime]

A polygraph is a tool for LE. Like you said IJM - it is not admissable in a court of law.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29
I have read on a lot of different boards about her ex-boyfriend, MH and some posters seem to feel very strongly that he knew something or had something to do with her disappearence. why?

This is the orginal post for this thread, so while we revisit the ex boyfriend thread..is there a boyfriend that Tara had that was upset about a break up with her?

From what I can see....it was MH that did the breaking up, and from what we know......RR was not interested in a long term relationship.

I can't find a boyfriend YET who was mad at Tara for breaking up.

Anyone know something more?

[Elle_Woods]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

-snip-
VAN SUSTEREN: Did there come a time when this dating relationship ended?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: When was that?

HARPER: October, 2004.

VAN SUSTEREN: What were the circumstances surrounding that?

HARPER: She told me she felt like it was time for her to move on.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you're getting dumped, essentially?

HARPER: More or less.

VAN SUSTEREN: Were you upset by that at all?

HARPER: At first. We continued to remain friends, but I felt a little rejected at first. But I picked — you know, brushed my shoulders off, went on and started dating other people.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she say why in October of 2004 she wanted to call it quits to your relationship?

HARPER: I think that she was looking more toward marriage.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you're definitely not into the marriage.

HARPER: Not at this time.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So after, let's say, October 2004 until September 2005, when you're in the area — because I know that you travel for business — did you see her often?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: How often did you see her?

HARPER: We remained friends. Any time I was home from business, you know, we would see each other. This past summer, we even went to a movie together as friends.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the relationship, did you try to rekindle a boyfriend-girlfriend or was it...

HARPER: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: It was definitely over as of October.

HARPER: She asked several times about rekindling the relationship, and I told her we could stay friends but I didn't want any kind of commitment. She asked me one time, Can we date each other, go on dates, but not see other people? And I told her that would be commitment. That's what I don't want.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then you were reject her, essentially, at this point?

HARPER: Pretty much.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she accept that?

HARPER: No.
-snip-

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

-snip-
VAN SUSTEREN: Did there come a time when this dating relationship ended?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: When was that?

HARPER: October, 2004.

VAN SUSTEREN: What were the circumstances surrounding that?

HARPER: She told me she felt like it was time for her to move on.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you're getting dumped, essentially?

HARPER: More or less.

VAN SUSTEREN: Were you upset by that at all?

HARPER: At first. We continued to remain friends, but I felt a little rejected at first. But I picked — you know, brushed my shoulders off, went on and started dating other people.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she say why in October of 2004 she wanted to call it quits to your relationship?

HARPER: I think that she was looking more toward marriage.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you're definitely not into the marriage.

HARPER: Not at this time.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So after, let's say, October 2004 until September 2005, when you're in the area — because I know that you travel for business — did you see her often?

HARPER: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: How often did you see her?

HARPER: We remained friends. Any time I was home from business, you know, we would see each other. This past summer, we even went to a movie together as friends.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the relationship, did you try to rekindle a boyfriend-girlfriend or was it...

HARPER: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: It was definitely over as of October.

HARPER: She asked several times about rekindling the relationship, and I told her we could stay friends but I didn't want any kind of commitment. She asked me one time, Can we date each other, go on dates, but not see other people? And I told her that would be commitment. That's what I don't want.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then you were reject her, essentially, at this point?

HARPER: Pretty much.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she accept that?

HARPER: No.
-snip-

So as of Oct 2005 MH and Tara's relationship was over. Most of the information we have after this is the problems the prior relationship caused. Can someone refresh us what these problems were. Tara has a history of being a problem to an ex when the relationship ended. Does anyone know which one was the major cause of the problems between Tara and MH before Tara disappeared. MH says Tara did not accept the break up but I truly belive Tara was having a relationship with HD when she disappeared and information I have gained (rumor or truth - MHOO is it the truth) AG "caught" (source used the word caught) LG and Tara having lunch or dinner 2 weeks before Tara went missing. If this is just a BIL/SIL what would be the problem with AG seeing them. Could this have been the problem's Tara and FG had the week before. I'm posting on memory. correct any wrong information please. Going back over information that may connect to Tara.

[PNut]

Let me throw this out there - it may be so far off from how Tara was, it's not even funny, but maybe it's NOt so far off from how she acted....

I had this friend once - let's call her Cindy. Cindy dated guys, long and short term both, married and single both. She was usually the one to break it off, but occassionally the guy did the breaking it off. BUT. Cindy NEVER EVER completely ended the relationship. She always, continually contacted the guys. And most of them were ok with it. They still see each other for lunch dinner, whatever. It always confused me - becuase when I broke up with a guy - it was over. I didn't see him unless we just happened to run into each other. But she kept these guys on a string (as I liked to call it). Sometimes it'd go more back to intimate type relationships with these ex's. I always took it to be - she loved the attention. She played one guy off the other off the other. Her current beau would always KNOW, she still kept in close contact with all her ex's. I was always amazed at how she kept them constantly calling her and after her.

This is how I am seeing a picture of Tara painted, after all the rumors and snippets of info. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug: Lord knows I'd never met her, but she seems to really remind me of my friend who acted the same way with her ex's.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by PNut
Let me throw this out there - it may be so far off from how Tara was, it's not even funny, but maybe it's NOt so far off from how she acted....

I had this friend once - let's call her Cindy. Cindy dated guys, long and short term both, married and single both. She was usually the one to break it off, but occassionally the guy did the breaking it off. BUT. Cindy NEVER EVER completely ended the relationship. She always, continually contacted the guys. And most of them were ok with it. They still see each other for lunch dinner, whatever. It always confused me - becuase when I broke up with a guy - it was over. I didn't see him unless we just happened to run into each other. But she kept these guys on a string (as I liked to call it). Sometimes it'd go more back to intimate type relationships with these ex's. I always took it to be - she loved the attention. She played one guy off the other off the other. Her current beau would always KNOW, she still kept in close contact with all her ex's. I was always amazed at how she kept them constantly calling her and after her.

This is how I am seeing a picture of Tara painted, after all the rumors and snippets of info. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug: Lord knows I'd never met her, but she seems to really remind me of my friend who acted the same way with her ex's.

Thanks PNut, That is a "sweet story to me" and I certainly can see Tara as being this kind of person. We have all come on the board talking about Tara's boy friend her exboy friends and to me I always kinda felt guilty because it really looked like we (I) were putting Tara down but that has never been my desire. This is a perfect example of what Tara's life probably was very close to and the person you described was your friend and you loved her I am sure she was also loved by many others. This is exactly the way I think about Tara, she dated many people....but this was just Tara...she is/was people's friend, she is/was a family member and I am sure she is/was loved by all.

If Tara is alive and chose to leave on her own in a normal frame of mind. I want to say to Tara if you happen to be reading.
"Tara you are loved by many and if it's your choice to remain hidden I wish you the best life God is able to provide anyone. If you are reading and want to reunite with the people who love you....There are open arms waiting for your return....Or I'm sure that one phone call would do for the many who love you."

If Tara is no longer with us I pray this case can be solved and the person who harmed and hid her will be found. Until someone hears from Tara or the evil perp is found I will do my best to discuss anything or anyone possible to help determine what has happened to her.

Thank you PNut for sharing the story about your friend I hope it helps people understand more about who and what Tara is/was about. She is/was Tara who is/was like the rest of us who are not perfect and she deserves to be found unless she is alive and wants to remain hidden.

[PNut]

Thanks IJM! Cindy was a great gal (haven't seen her in years though) - she was so much fun to be around. But her behaviour with her men folk always made me shake my head!! And for the most part, it was all fun and games and ok. however, of course, there were the occassional jealousy's between different ex's and words/ugliness happened. Which is to be expected. But personally, my opinion, my friend Cindy didn't mind the bickering between the men folk one bit. She quiet enjoyed it. ;)

[Results]

We are talking about AV, still a student, having a relationship with Tara? Is that correct? I have to ask this question....do the teachers who worked with her whisper opinions to each other over this incident and is this the only incident? What I'm trying to get at was something brewing in the school that was going to come down hard and heavy around Tara? I'm not bashing....I'm asking???????? TIA for any information on this matter. I'm trying to figure out why she couldn't drive home in 10 minutes and had to have HD 90 miles away come and get her because she was upset....did something happen at school that day? Just thinking out loud and asking questions. JMHO

[mooloo]

Perhaps having him come get her was just another Drama Queen moment? Much like having someone come get her the night she was driving home from school? She could have driven to her house in less than 5 minutes from the high school.

Originally posted by Results
We are talking about AV, still a student, having a relationship with Tara? Is that correct? I have to ask this question....do the teachers who worked with her whisper opinions to each other over this incident and is this the only incident? What I'm trying to get at was something brewing in the school that was going to come down hard and heavy around Tara? I'm not bashing....I'm asking???????? TIA for any information on this matter. I'm trying to figure out why she couldn't drive home in 10 minutes and had to have HD 90 miles away come and get her because she was upset....did something happen at school that day? Just thinking out loud and asking questions. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by mooloo
Perhaps having him come get her was just another Drama Queen moment? Much like having someone come get her the night she was driving home from school? She could have driven to her house in less than 5 minutes from the high school.



OK let say that happened. I'm still interested in knowing if there was something coming to a showdown with gossip and rumors of teacher/students? Was there anything going around before she disappeared about students and her?

[cbcrime]

In addition to Results questions - what day the meltdown at work occur? Was there a meltdown? Any details would be appreciated. Because I think I might be confused at to what day and what actually happened.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by cbcrime
In addition to Results questions - what day the meltdown at work occur? Was there a meltdown? Any details would be appreciated. Because I think I might be confused at to what day and what actually happened.

The meltdown where she needed someone to go drive her home while she was enroute from night classes was a year ago tonight, Oct. 13 2005. This was the incident where she had the phone argument with MH and called his dad and stepmom to go to her and drive her the rest of the way home. (It was on Thursday last year.)
The next day, on Friday, Oct. 14 2005 she didn't go to work but went to MH's house and knocked on his window.

On Tuesday Oct. 18, 2005 "a police officer from a neighboring town" picked Tara up from school/work early. In fact, I've been told she didn't even tell anyone she was leaving.

IMO JMO MOO... according to what I've been told.

I would love for some locals and/or co-workers to post what they know/heard about those incidents.

[cbcrime]

Thank you Lindsey - I did not know if it was Mon or Tues as I've read both. I agree anyone local that has heard about the leaving early on Tuesday and what may have caused it - or what mood she was in - would be appreciated thanks in advance.

[Results]

Originally posted by Lindsey


The meltdown where she needed someone to go drive her home while she was enroute from night classes was a year ago tonight, Oct. 13 2005. This was the incident where she had the phone argument with MH and called his dad and stepmom to go to her and drive her the rest of the way home. (It was on Thursday last year.)
The next day, on Friday, Oct. 14 2005 she didn't go to work but went to MH's house and knocked on his window.

On Tuesday Oct. 18, 2005 "a police officer from a neighboring town" picked Tara up from school/work early. In fact, I've been told she didn't even tell anyone she was leaving.

IMO JMO MOO... according to what I've been told.

I would love for some locals and/or co-workers to post what they know/heard about those incidents.

So, why would HD say in his interview that he had not seen Tara in weeks. Oct 18th he saw her and the last time anyone saw her was Oct 22nd. That is 4 days. I agree...I would love some locals and/or co-workers to post about this incident and the things that were going on at the time of her disapperance. It could be so crucial to her disappearance. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Lindsey


The meltdown where she needed someone to go drive her home while she was enroute from night classes was a year ago tonight, Oct. 13 2005. This was the incident where she had the phone argument with MH and called his dad and stepmom to go to her and drive her the rest of the way home. (It was on Thursday last year.)
The next day, on Friday, Oct. 14 2005 she didn't go to work but went to MH's house and knocked on his window.

On Tuesday Oct. 18, 2005 "a police officer from a neighboring town" picked Tara up from school/work early. In fact, I've been told she didn't even tell anyone she was leaving.

IMO JMO MOO... according to what I've been told.

I would love for some locals and/or co-workers to post what they know/heard about those incidents.

What other information do we have that it was HD who picked Tara up at school. I know Lindsey has very good informtion and she chooses her words so I'm not questioning Lindsey information. A police officer from a "neighboring town" caught my eye. Perry would not be what I consider a neighboring town. Just a thought.

[Rick Karon]

Can Somebody post that HD interview?

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Its just me


What other information do we have that it was HD who picked Tara up at school. I know Lindsey has very good informtion and she chooses her words so I'm not questioning Lindsey information. A police officer from a "neighboring town" caught my eye. Perry would not be what I consider a neighboring town. Just a thought.

My sources tell me HD NEVER picked Tara up at school.

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by Its just me


What other information do we have that it was HD who picked Tara up at school. I know Lindsey has very good informtion and she chooses her words so I'm not questioning Lindsey information. A police officer from a "neighboring town" caught my eye. Perry would not be what I consider a neighboring town. Just a thought.


Seems like I read somewhere that JH was the one who picked Tara up from school.
Does anyone have that info?

TIA

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by Rick Karon
Can Somebody post that HD interview?

I don't think it was really a full-on, tv interview like MH had...just a phone interview that someone involved with the crime library completed. This is the only direct quote from HD that I could find:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing."

****s, who has been cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."

[kundalini]

Could never figure out why she would call someone's parents to pick her up if she was stressing out after that call - but maybe the parents were not called. Maybe they overheard the other end of the conversation (because the caller was at their home) or maybe he told them to go get her.

[Results]

I thought it was HD that picked her up from school. Am I wrong on that? I don't know a JH....who is he? TIA

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Results
I thought it was HD that picked her up from school. Am I wrong on that? I don't know a JH....who is he? TIA

I am like you Results I have always thought that it was HD that picked Tara up from school. The "neighboring" only caught my eye when I read Lindsey's post. This creates a new mission of tying to determine "who" is the police officer that picked up Tara but I am like you digging for the "Truth". I don't rule out it being HD but I want to make sure.

I think the JH is the gamewarden that MH has as an alibi and because he is the gamewarden for Irwin County I am ruling him out. (because he does not fit the neighboring town) The only other police officer I have heard of that "could" have been involved with Tara is the JDA officer who was working with the Ben Hill Sheriff's Department when Tara disappeared and was the guy that came in to do the finger printing of the car for the GBI. The JDA lived close to Tara at one time and is now working maybe at a police department somewhere in South Ga.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by kundalini
Could never figure out why she would call someone's parents to pick her up if she was stressing out after that call - but maybe the parents were not called. Maybe they overheard the other end of the conversation (because the caller was at their home) or maybe he told them to go get her.

What you say could be true...I don't know. I can see Tara calling the parents (as an outsider looking in) because Tara and MH had been dating for several years and my information is that she also had a close relationship with MH's family. If Tara was unable to drive or just want attention I can see her giving the H's a call. She has no family in Ocilla, her "best" friend is MHu who lives in Hawkinsville area. Just a unknown to me.

[Results]

Originally posted by Its just me


I am like you Results I have always thought that it was HD that picked Tara up from school. The "neighboring" only caught my eye when I read Lindsey's post. This creates a new mission of tying to determine "who" is the police officer that picked up Tara but I am like you digging for the "Truth". I don't rule out it being HD but I want to make sure.

I think the JH is the gamewarden that MH has as an alibi and because he is the gamewarden for Irwin County I am ruling him out. (because he does not fit the neighboring town) The only other police officer I have heard of that "could" have been involved with Tara is the JDA officer who was working with the Ben Hill Sheriff's Department when Tara disappeared and was the guy that came in to do the finger printing of the car for the GBI. The JDA lived close to Tara at one time and is now working maybe at a police department somewhere in South Ga.

I can't believe that they would let someone that had seen her 4 days before her disapperance do the CSI work on her car. That doesn't make sense. I have always heard from the beginning that it was HD....now that we have came out with the HD interview and are talking about HD alot more lately.....HD did not go pick her up....WHY NOT TELL US UNTIL NOW! Does that sound familiar to any of you? I am so sick of this crap...DERAIL...DERAIL...DERAIL. Somebody knows who the H*** picked her up. Never ends. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Jaded

There is another JH but I don't think he is a police officer.

Thanks....Right now I am brain dead on another JH. Is this person from out side of area. Something rings a bell but a blank..for now.

[Results]

Originally posted by Jaded

There is another JH but I don't think he is a police officer.

I can't find anyone with that initial connected to this case. Can you please tell me who that is? I don't think anyone other than AV and RR were not LE. JMHO TIA

[Results]

Originally posted by Jaded
It was written a long time ago that HD never picked Tara up from school. I don't think IJM was derailing anything or anyone else for that matter. It looks like it just came up as a question of who the person was, like maybe the person asking or talking about it REALIZED that HD never picked her up, because that has been said several times IIRC. I would think one of the students or teachers would know WHO it was for sure, IMO, so maybe one of those people will post here and clear it up once and for all.

I'm going to step in and say right now. IJM, knows for a fact that I am not saying she derailed anything nor has she ever derailed anything. IN FACT IJM knows that I vent alot when I see a side stepping going on so almost a year later.....REALIZED that HD never picked her up. How convient. JMHO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Results


I can't believe that they would let someone that had seen her 4 days before her disapperance do the CSI work on her car. That doesn't make sense. I have always heard from the beginning that it was HD....now that we have came out with the HD interview and are talking about HD alot more lately.....HD did not go pick her up....WHY NOT TELL US UNTIL NOW! Does that sound familiar to any of you? I am so sick of this crap...DERAIL...DERAIL...DERAIL. Somebody knows who the H*** picked her up. Never ends. JMHO

I know this puts us about 10 steps back but for right now I am going to take the blame for the derail. Results it was "me" that questioned this being HD because Lindsey said "from neighboring town". I would have to go back (and I'm not sure I can) to see what was posted that made me think this was HD. Was the "neighboring town" always there and it was something I over looked and jumped the gun on thinking it was HD. I just don't know. I do know Lindsey has done hours of work on Tara's case and I put 100% confidence in all her post. I hope Lindsey will give us his/her thoughts on this. You are right someone knows who the h*** picked Tara up. I am sorry I have derailed but this truly made me question my thinking.

[ancient relic]

IMO "Jaded" is talking about Jim Hickey, the same JH that "barry9120" brought up a couple of weeks ago. Hmmm.

Originally posted by Its just me


Thanks....Right now I am brain dead on another JH. Is this person from out side of area. Something rings a bell but a blank..for now.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Results


I'm going to step in and say right now. IJM, knows for a fact that I am not saying she derailed anything nor has she ever derailed anything. IN FACT IJM knows that I vent alot when I see a side stepping going on so almost a year later.....REALIZED that HD never picked her up. How convient. JMHO

Thanks I know how this looks to you but we will work through this searching for the truth. Just vent away you know it will be ok with me....Love IJM

[Results]

Originally posted by ancient relic
IMO "Jaded" is talking about Jim Hickey, the same JH that "barry9120" brought up a couple of weeks ago. Hmmm.



Thank you for an answer. I'm not sure if your implying that barry9120 is Jaded but if you are .... I'm not writing barry9120 off yet. I'm sticking on my own with what I think about barry9120. No one agrees with me on this one but I will stand behind my decision. I have always made my own mind up don't need no help there. JMHO

[ancient relic]

Just another odd coincidence, I suppose. Happens all the time, no harm, no foul.

Originally posted by Results


Thank you for an answer. I'm not sure if your implying that barry9120 is Jaded but if you are .... I'm not writing barry9120 off yet. I'm sticking on my own with what I think about barry9120. No one agrees with me on this one but I will stand behind my decision. I have always made my own mind up don't need no help there. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by ancient relic
Just another odd coincidence, I suppose. Happens all the time, no harm, no foul.



No problem.

[ancient relic]

I still have no clue what you are talking about, and I think you switched threads, didn't you? I did not know who "Mark McMahan" was when I posted my question last night, and obviously you do/did. I'll move forward when you stop harassing me and explain why. I think you have me confused with one of your past enemies or something.

Originally posted by Jaded

No real harm done. But just don't ask questions in the future that you already know the answer to just for the purpose of causing a problem for someone. If you had a question about what this guy is doing, just be up front with it and ASK that specific question. If you don't like him, say so. Nobody here likes game playing. That was my beef in a nutshell. No harm done. Let's move forward.

[Results]

Originally posted by Jaded

I'm not Barry. And I have PM'd Freshwater as well to let her know.

I don't care who any of you are unless you try to cause problems. IF you are here to help in the search for Tara then by all means help...it doesn't matter who you are. IF you are here to cause problems with the board then please know it is important THEN who you are because what would be your motive to not find Tara. I can only think of one. So, lets get back to the subject at hand. JMHO

Jaded researched through google and then posted what he found. JMHO

[ancient relic]

I don't think she did. I think she disparaged me as being untruthful without any proof.

Originally posted by Results

Jaded researched through google and then posted what he found. JMHO

[ancient relic]

Goodbye for now. Maybe we can start off on a better rung on the ladder when you return.

Originally posted by Jaded

Thank you Results.

I'm doing some out of office research today so I will be gone all day after this post. I didn't want someone to come in and say I ran away..LOL. If I learn anything new I will post it this evening.

[Results]

Originally posted by ancient relic
I still have no clue what you are talking about, and I think you switched threads, didn't you? I did not know who "Mark McMahan" was when I posted my question last night, and obviously you do/did. I'll move forward when you stop harassing me and explain why. I think you have me confused with one of your past enemies or something.



Yes, you are correct that it is another thread. Thank you for pointing that out as I am guilty of that myself. JMHO

[Results]

Originally posted by ancient relic
I don't think she did. I think she disparaged me as being untruthful without any proof.



Well then I am truly sorry if that happened. . JMHO

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by Its just me


Thanks....Right now I am brain dead on another JH. Is this person from out side of area. Something rings a bell but a blank..for now.


Naw, IJM, your brain works just fine!

The quote I had in my notes was from "way-back" and I have been searching, but cannot locate the source! (silly me, didn't think that the boards would be closed/locked/derailed, etc.) I have googled, dogpiled, and asked, but the exact post is not revealed on my screen. I will keep searching and if I can locate the post, I will share!

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Its just me


I am like you Results I have always thought that it was HD that picked Tara up from school. The "neighboring" only caught my eye when I read Lindsey's post. This creates a new mission of tying to determine "who" is the police officer that picked up Tara but I am like you digging for the "Truth". I don't rule out it being HD but I want to make sure.

I think the JH is the gamewarden that MH has as an alibi and because he is the gamewarden for Irwin County I am ruling him out. (because he does not fit the neighboring town) The only other police officer I have heard of that "could" have been involved with Tara is the JDA officer who was working with the Ben Hill Sheriff's Department when Tara disappeared and was the guy that came in to do the finger printing of the car for the GBI. The JDA lived close to Tara at one time and is now working maybe at a police department somewhere in South Ga.

Bumping to get us back on track.....WHO PICKED UP TARA FROM SCHOOL. But want to say this before moving forward.... this is not directed at anyone but is for the future what is past is past and I can not change the past. I feel used and blame myself for allowing and taking part in something that has caused confussion several days ago...for this I can only say I am sorry. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANY PM'S THAT ARE SENT TO CAUSE CONFUSSION BETWEEN ME AND ANOTHER POSTER. USE SOMEONE ELSE. All other pm's welcome.

NOW THE QUESTION AT HAND "WHO PICKED UP TARA FROM SCHOOL??? Lets move forward.

[Results]

IJM,

This is where it is said about a pick up from the HS in a Crime Library article.....still searching post where it says it was HD.

According to one source, Harper became disenchanted with the relationship and, the source said, the couple began to bicker frequently. There was never any hint of violence between the pair, according to several sources, and in April, they finally broke up. By all accounts, Grinstead was deeply distressed by the breakup.

In fact, although she dated at least one other man, one friend told Crime Library that she remained deeply in love with Harper. In mid October one friend said, Grinstead had made efforts to reconnect with Harper, and when he resisted, she became so overwrought that she took a long drive and had to pull over and call for assistance to get home. The next day, uncharacteristically, she called in sick to school. A few days later, when a policeman from a neighboring community whom she had dated turned up at school, she left early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated ninth grade teacher.

I don't know how to post a link but it is the article title "Relationships Could Provide Clues to Missing Woman's State of Mind.

Will keep digging.

[Its just me]

Thanks sorry to have put us in this position. I also have been digging but so far empty handed.

Do anyone know of another police office Tara dated.
I may be wrong but 99.999% of my thinking is Tara and HD had a relationship that was more than friends. MHOO

[Results]

Also, there is a article titled "Search for Tara Grinstead Involves Entire Community".....It speaks of Jannis Paulk how she worked until 4 in the morning to set up a web page to help in the search for Tara and states that a young man, 20, east of Ocilla who had once been arrested for disordely conduct for pounding on Tara's door. I mentioned these 2 things because they were important to me.

1st thing was Jannis Paulk because the article didn't mention anyones names except for this one IIRC. I am not from Ga nor no anyone from GA but I have to say recently alot of posters have tried to smear this woman's name. Have you posters forgotten what Mrs. Paulk has done and continues to do? Help to find Tara. You should all be ashamed of yourself. JMHO

2nd thing was they don't mention names in these articles but IIRC the 20 year old is AV and it says that he was arrested. I can't remember who was saying that he wasn't arrested. So, I'm taking it AV was arrested for disordely conduct pounding on Tara's door. JMHO

Still digging.

[Results]

IJM,

CL article titled, "Tara Grinstead on Emotional Roller Coaster Ride"

This is copied from this article:

Heath ****s, a police captain from a neighboring community described by one source close to Grinstead as a "friend of hers since they were kids" has been interviewed by investigators.

In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, ****s said he had last
seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing." ****s, who has been
cooperating with investigators, declined to comment further. "I've been a
close friend with her family and her for quite some time, we're from the
same home town. But I really can't make a lot of comment due to the ongoing
investigation. It really wouldn't be fair for me to make any comment that
would jeopardize the investigation....I just want her to be found."

Sources familiar with the probe say at least one of the men — Vickers — agreed to submit to a polygraph test. Authorities declined to discuss whether the interviews had yielded any useful information. None of the men could be reached for comment.

I connected that it was HD because the first article said a LE from a neighboring community picked her up at school and then in this article he is talking about HD as a neighboring community. This is where I got HD picked her up from the very beginning.

[Results]

I will stay believing that it was HD until someone who was at the school where Tara worked saw another person pick her up. I JMHO

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by Results
I will stay believing that it was HD until someone who was at the school where Tara worked saw another person pick her up. I JMHO

Exactly!!!

There are no eye witnesses who can say it was or was not HD, IMO.

One story is HD (5' something or other, with reddish hair)

Another story is JH (over 6' with dark hair)

Who knows what to believe anymore??

[sweettater]

I was told by co-workers of Tara's that they did not see who she left with; however, Tara had TOLD them afterwards that she had left with HD. They had no reason to not believe her.

[Results]

Originally posted by sweettater
I was told by co-workers of Tara's that they did not see who she left with; however, Tara had TOLD them afterwards that she had left with HD. They had no reason to not believe her.

Thank you sweettater. I believe it was HD too. I just don't know why HD would tell CL in a interview he hadn't seen her in weeks when this incident happened on the 18th of Oct. JMHO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Its just me


What other information do we have that it was HD who picked Tara up at school. I know Lindsey has very good informtion and she chooses her words so I'm not questioning Lindsey information. A police officer from a "neighboring town" caught my eye. Perry would not be what I consider a neighboring town. Just a thought.

I have heard that it was HD and I have heard that it wasn't HD so that's why I used the quote from the CL article. I'm not saying either way because I don't have enough solid information to "put it out here" that it was or wasn't HD.

IMO JMO MOO

[Its just me]

Originally posted by Its just me


Bumping to get us back on track.....WHO PICKED UP TARA FROM SCHOOL. But want to say this before moving forward.... this is not directed at anyone but is for the future what is past is past and I can not change the past. I feel used and blame myself for allowing and taking part in something that has caused confussion several days ago...for this I can only say I am sorry. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANY PM'S THAT ARE SENT TO CAUSE CONFUSSION BETWEEN ME AND ANOTHER POSTER. USE SOMEONE ELSE. All other pm's welcome.

NOW THE QUESTION AT HAND "WHO PICKED UP TARA FROM SCHOOL??? Lets move forward.

I may leave this with you guys for a while..but before I leave I have to clear up what I posted. No one pm'd me trying to cause confussion.....It was totally my misunderstanding and totally "MY" fault for the confusion. I offer a very humble apology. I truly am Sorry. IJM
Don't let get this get you off track but I needed to correct my confusion ....igornance...or what ever it is..Move forward and excuse the interruption.