The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Why are you bringing Scott Peterson onto the TG forum? It is not necessary or right. Many of you know my stance on that case and have made every effort to keep it off of this forum. That is all I am going to say about it. As far as Jim submitting DNA or taking a LDT, I think you are going too far. Being dishonest about marital and parental status for the purposes of meeting other women is a disgrace in my book, but not criminal to create something he wasn't. Just because he posted that he was not married and didn't have a kid, does not mean he did anything to Tara, which if I understand your post correctly, that is the insinuation right? I think you have gone beyond the line with this post. Just my 02. My appologies if I have misunderstood your post.

Luv, I was just WAITING on that!! *snicker* :D You know I luv ya luv!!! LOL

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by justthinking


My references to the perp earlier were all pertaining to his training and not personality. Again, I think the perp was initially very charming.

I'm sorry... when you said "profile", I didn't think you were just talking about one particular personality trait.

I'm a little bit touchy about the Scott Peterson case and I was trying to understand how an ex-military, police officer was fitting a "profile" of Scott Peterson.

Thousands of people are BS Artists extraordinaire. In fact, we vote for many of them every year, or we watch their movies.

If Tara was harmed by a local resident, they will most definitely have to be an excellent BS Artist to cover for this long with all of the intense scrutiny.

Some of the BS Artists have already been exposed. The problem I see, is that no one has considered them suspects in any manner.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BevAnn


Luv, I was just WAITING on that!! *snicker* :D You know I luv ya luv!!! LOL
:lol: Howdja know? :biggrin:

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

To me - the only door Mr. Perry's opened was perhaps, Tara met someone during or following her 20th HS Reunion. When was that 2003 or 2004?

Do you mean 10 yr reunion? She was not old enough to be anywhere near her 20th. Her 10 yr would have been in 2002.

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups

:lol: Howdja know? :biggrin:

Actually, I would have been disappointed if you HADN'T!! :tongue:

ok, and BFD, you are so correct - being a BS artist is a JOB to many....justthinking, if you can...your personal POI - is it a local or someone out of Ocilla, that not everyone would be familiar with? Can you tell us that?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BevAnn


Actually, I would have been disappointed if you HADN'T!! :tongue:

ok, and BFD, you are so correct - being a BS artist is a JOB to many....justthinking, if you can...your personal POI - is it a local or someone out of Ocilla, that not everyone would be familiar with? Can you tell us that? :lol:

[justthinking]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I'm sorry... when you said "profile", I didn't think you were just talking about one particular personality trait.

I'm a little bit touchy about the Scott Peterson case and I was trying to understand how an ex-military, police officer was fitting a "profile" of Scott Peterson.

Thousands of people are BS Artists extraordinaire. In fact, we vote for many of them every year, or we watch their movies.

If Tara was harmed by a local resident, they will most definitely have to be an excellent BS Artist to cover for this long with all of the intense scrutiny.

Some of the BS Artists have already been exposed. The problem I see, is that no one has considered them suspects in any manner.

Thank you! And perhaps appearing to be an angle among us!

[justthinking]

Originally posted by BevAnn


Actually, I would have been disappointed if you HADN'T!! :tongue:

ok, and BFD, you are so correct - being a BS artist is a JOB to many....justthinking, if you can...your personal POI - is it a local or someone out of Ocilla, that not everyone would be familiar with? Can you tell us that?

Within 30 miles. No, I don't think most Ocillians would be familiar with his person.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


Within 30 miles. No, I don't think most Ocillians would be familiar with his person. hmmmmmm and is currently in LE?

[justthinking]

to my knowledge, yes.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by justthinking
to my knowledge, yes.

Clear your pm box.

[Elle_Woods]

justthinking, How would Tara have known this person, from what you know? Is this someone back in Hawkinsville that is still there and she knew from her past? Have you submitted this tip to le?

[justthinking]

CP: done

[justthinking]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods
justthinking, How would Tara have known this person, from what you know? Is this someone back in Hawkinsville that is still there and she knew from her past? Have you submitted this tip to le?

Not Hawkinsville. Yes, I have shared this with LE. Heck, he is one. What a fraternity to be a part of!

[justthinking]

CP: Please resend PM

[Elle_Woods]

and this is someone who hasn't been mentioned on the forums, ever?

[justthinking]

Never, to my knowledge. And I have been sitting and hoping that someone would mention.

[ipswitch]

Originally posted by guitarstring
justthinking, are you speaking of the officer in LE from Tifton?

or possibly a former one from Ben Hill Co? (but he's still LE, just not there anymore)

Or possibly SA???

[justthinking]

I am not thinking SA.

[ipswitch]

Originally posted by justthinking
I am not thinking SA.

but what about a former BH LE? (it was two separate ?'s I asked earlier... A former BH, OR SA)

[luvmy2labpups]

someone needs to clear their box.

[justthinking]

Not a BH LE.

[ipswitch]

justthinking, please clear out your PM box! I have a question for you.

[jond]

IMO, JP handled this in a very respectful manner and really did not have much of a choice...for him this could have spun way out of control, an innocent victim in another person's tragedy. I have said before I do not think any of the named POI nor a family member is involved. It remains my opinion that one known to TG, but not discussed is the culprit.

[justthinking]

I'm with you, jond.

[ipswitch]

Very well stated.

Originally posted by jond
IMO, JP handled this in a very respectful manner and really did not have much of a choice...for him this could have spun way out of control, an innocent victim in another person's tragedy. I have said before I do not think any of the named POI nor a family member is involved. It remains my opinion that one known to TG, but not discussed is the culprit.

[justthinking]

CP, please clear PM.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by justthinking
CP, please clear PM.

Done.

[ipswitch]

justthinking... I tried to respond to your PM, but your mailbox is full again.

[justthinking]

Sorry, try again.

[ipswitch]

Originally posted by justthinking
Sorry, try again.

Still getting the full message. Did you clear your sent also??

[justthinking]

One more time?:shrug:

[The R]

Originally posted by justthinking
to my knowledge, yes.


OK,

I'll bite.......

Happen to know a motive?


R

[justthinking]

KNOW a motive? NO.

[mooloo]

Has anyone said Ocilla is divided? I don't see Ocilla as divided. Maybe 3 or 4 (if that many) think MH might possibly be involved. Doesn't appear that many people, anymore, have an opinion---passionatelly--one way or another.

Originally posted by Results


I know you were not speaking to me but since I believe that she is alive also I will tell you why I am searching for her. It is ok to leave and disappear if you want to as we are all aware that it is not against the law to just up and leave but I would think that someone would have to face some kind of responsibility for their actions. It is not OK to leave and ruin many peoples lives with rumors and accusations that they have harmed this person that just up and left. What will happen if she does show up and says I had to get away? What will happen to AG for accusing and stating false accusations against an innocent man? What will happen to Ocilla that is divided because if they say LE is doing their jobs verses LE is not doing their job to even a mass coverup? What then? When the truth comes out and I believe that it will and one side is wrong and one side is right, what then? FRIENDS have been lossed, TOWNS have been divided, REPUTATIONS destroyed. Us posters that are not local we go to the next missing case try to put in our input but what about the lives of those that will be forever changed? Some of you posters have a mass coverup and especially the Local LE. I don't think whatever the Local LE does is going to make you happy. There is corruption we are not idiots that we don't know that corruption does occur but come on people to go under attack for one man? It appears that some of you want so bad for LE/GBI to be involved in a mass coverup and I have to tell you if someone had a tip and thought it was safe to go to them after reading some of your post I can imagine why they didn't give a tip. Some of you have done some real damage without even thinking twice and some of you may have done it without knowing, that I don't know about. I will continue to pray for her to be found alive and well and I will also pray that if that is not to be that I hope and pray that JUSTICE will be delivered. JMO

[gacountry]

Originally posted by mooloo
Has anyone said Ocilla is divided? I don't see Ocilla as divided. Maybe 3 or 4 (if that many) think MH might possibly be involved. Doesn't appear that many people, anymore, have an opinion---passionatelly--one way or another.



Now I have an open mind and I hope MH had nothing to do with anything. but Ocilla has a population of what around 3,270 people and you think only 3 or 4 (if that many) have that opinion. Hmmmmmmm. How many did you talk with to come to this conclusion? Now Irwin county has a population of around 10,093 souls have you any idea if maybe you estimate would go up to 10 or 12 (if that many) for the county?

I just could not let this one go without a comment, Mooloo what did you get on your last trip to Walmart? better stick to that ducktape honey! LOL

[Moms4Justice]

That was a great article and Mr. Perry in my opinion deserves an apology, Although that will not change the damage that was done.

:no:

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Yes Elle-

thanks for the save. YES 10th. Do you KNOW she graduated in 2002?

Elle, CHECK ME HERE:

Tara was 30 when she vanished, right? Do I have that wrong?

Since her B-day was in Nov. she could have finished HS at 18 or 19, right?

IF 18, that would be 12 years from 2005 since that was when she vanished - graduated 1993, HER "10th" REUNION 2003. If she was 19, that would be 11 years, graduated 1994,HER REUNION 2004.

So sorry. I meant TEN. I knew that!

Where did you get the 2002? If she started earlier, skipped a grade, 2002 I see. Just wondering.

V


:seeya:

I was going on the basis that she may have started in a school system that didn't hold a Fall or Winter birthday against her. I also thought I read somewhere that she graduated in 1992, which would make 2002 her 10 yr reunion. I have a Fall bday and was an early Kind. starter, but I realize that it's different. However, I remember being in college with at least a few GA people who also were able to start young.

Either way it's only a year difference, 1992/2002 or 1993/2003 for the 10 yr reunion. Book smarts appeared to have been one of her strengths. I can't imagine that she would have needed to be delayed in school all the way back to being placed with the class of 94, that is the only way she'd have had an 04 reunion year and I just don't see her as being labeled 2 yrs developmentally delayed in school.

Also, JP was not the same age as her - so he wouldn't have been at her reunion anyway, if that's where you were originally headed.

[Elle_Woods]

edited to add, to my own post to M71- after missing the edit cut-off time...
that I never said she graduated in 2002. I said 1992 and the 10 yr reunion would have been 2002. Obviously, I know a 30 yr old woman didn't graduate hs in 2002. The 20 yr reunion that you're talking (M71) about would not have been till 2012.

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


I was going on the basis that she may have started in a school system that didn't hold a Fall or Winter birthday against her. I also thought I read somewhere that she graduated in 1992, which would make 2002 her 10 yr reunion. I have a Fall bday and was an early Kind. starter, but I realize that it's different. However, I remember being in college with at least a few GA people who also were able to start young.

Either way it's only a year difference, 1992/2002 or 1993/2003 for the 10 yr reunion. Book smarts appeared to have been one of her strengths. I can't imagine that she would have needed to be delayed in school all the way back to being placed with the class of 94, that is the only way she'd have had an 04 reunion year and I just don't see her as being labeled 2 yrs developmentally delayed in school.

Also, JP was not the same age as her - so he wouldn't have been at her reunion anyway, if that's where you were originally headed.

[fsbiii]

Whatever suits your fancy, "Mannequin."

Originally posted by Mannequin

funny how you like his articles in the past and defend him right and left but the minute he calls you on the carpet it's a whole different ballgame huh/
He got it right when he said amateur sleuths. Nothing but. I think everybody needs a big dose of MYOB and stop hurting innocent people who had nothing to do with Tara going missing.

[fsbiii]

Maybe you could tell us just who had something to do with Tara's disappearance so we could all stop "hurting these innocent people?" But wouldn't that make you an amateur sleuth, too? (Or a mind reader, fortune teller, psychic?)

The article was half-done, like many others. Tell the whole story, and we'd have no problem. The other thread shows the various replies on this subject to the article's overall substanace.

Originally posted by Mannequin

funny how you like his articles in the past and defend him right and left but the minute he calls you on the carpet it's a whole different ballgame huh/
He got it right when he said amateur sleuths. Nothing but. I think everybody needs a big dose of MYOB and stop hurting innocent people who had nothing to do with Tara going missing.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin


ya'll don't all rush in at once and apologize now!

you are right Moms, he deserves such a huge apology. Putting his life under a microscope like that was not necessary for any good to come of it. just one more way to start a new rumor. Mr. Perry, even if no one else will apologize to you, I apologize for all of them. Forgive them for they know not what they do.

I don't recall anyone apologizing for accusing Sean Fletcher of being an accomplice to murder.

At least Mr. Perry was only the victim of innuendo that he might have helped a living Tara escape from Ocilla. Not murder.

[justthinking]

I may be posting this inappropriately in response to a PM I received, but here goes:

Do not tell me what I discuss with you via PM is kept private. I was in the chat room last night and witnessed how some of the things I said in PMs were not only broadcast for everyone to read, but often changed or altered to suit the writer's point. I have only ever posted FACTS on here. So let me give you a few more to straighten out some of the mess and confusion SOME of you guy created for yourselves:

1. I am not MARIA H.

2. I have never dated RM, nor do I know him. Therefore, I have never said he is a control freak as was discussed in the chatroom last night. I said to CP that his (RM) features are similar to the person I have questions about, who is a control freak.

Again, I do not mind being quoted, as I do not post guesses. But if you quote me, get it right.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by justthinking
I may be posting this inappropriately in response to a PM I received, but here goes:

Do not tell me what I discuss with you via PM is kept private. I was in the chat room last night and witnessed how some of the things I said in PMs were not only broadcast for everyone to read, but often changed or altered to suit the writer's point. I have only ever posted FACTS on here. So let me give you a few more to straighten out some of the mess and confusion SOME of you guy created for yourselves:

1. I am not MARIA H.

2. I have never dated RM, nor do I know him. Therefore, I have never said he is a control freak as was discussed in the chatroom last night. I said to CP that his (RM) features are similar to the person I have questions about, who is a control freak.

Again, I do not mind being quoted, as I do not post guesses. But if you quote me, get it right.


Well.....for one thing, I think most suspected you were in chat, so take whatever you saw with that in mind.

Secondly, rather then speak in riddles, why don't you just lay it all out.

JMO

[justthinking]

Okay, fair enough. I will not name a person on here. I have discussed this person with GBI for them to further investigate if they deem necessary.

He is in his early-mid forties, is in LE within 30 miles of Ocilla, has a military background, career LE, married, ambitious, control freak, black truck.

I have talked with two people who know him personally about my thoughts on the matter. Reaction: "Oh sh%t! You might be right!"

If I am contacted again by GBI, I will tell them the same things I have said before.

If he had nothing to do with this, I apologize. I have not broadcast his name just in case.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by justthinking
Okay, fair enough. I will not name a person on here. I have discussed this person with GBI for them to further investigate if they deem necessary.

He is in his early-mid forties, is in LE within 30 miles of Ocilla, has a military background, career LE, married, ambitious, control freak, black truck.

I have talked with two people who know him personally about my thoughts on the matter. Reaction: "Oh sh%t! You might be right!"

If I am contacted again by GBI, I will tell them the same things I have said before.

If he had nothing to do with this, I apologize. I have not broadcast his name just in case.

Thank you

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by justthinking
Okay, fair enough. I will not name a person on here. I have discussed this person with GBI for them to further investigate if they deem necessary.

He is in his early-mid forties, is in LE within 30 miles of Ocilla, has a military background, career LE, married, ambitious, control freak, black truck.

I have talked with two people who know him personally about my thoughts on the matter. Reaction: "Oh sh%t! You might be right!"

If I am contacted again by GBI, I will tell them the same things I have said before.

If he had nothing to do with this, I apologize. I have not broadcast his name just in case.

Just curious, why mention anything on the board at all if you've told GBI your suspicions, but don't want to harm anyone by naming them here?

It seems like an attempt to get people busy trying to track down who you're talking about... all the while saying you don't want to cause any harm. Sort of strange if you ask me.

[fsbiii]

Thanks for posting this, justthinking. We've all learned the hard way that you have to be careful in chat rooms, PM's, and everywhere else when it comes to discussing this case. I think the underlined portion is the most important part of your post...

Originally posted by justthinking
Okay, fair enough. I will not name a person on here. I have discussed this person with GBI for them to further investigate if they deem necessary.

He is in his early-mid forties, is in LE within 30 miles of Ocilla, has a military background, career LE, married, ambitious, control freak, black truck.

I have talked with two people who know him personally about my thoughts on the matter. Reaction: "Oh sh%t! You might be right!"

If I am contacted again by GBI, I will tell them the same things I have said before.

If he had nothing to do with this, I apologize. I have not broadcast his name just in case.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
Okay, fair enough. I will not name a person on here. I have discussed this person with GBI for them to further investigate if they deem necessary.

He is in his early-mid forties, is in LE within 30 miles of Ocilla, has a military background, career LE, married, ambitious, control freak, black truck.

I have talked with two people who know him personally about my thoughts on the matter. Reaction: "Oh sh%t! You might be right!"

If I am contacted again by GBI, I will tell them the same things I have said before.

If he had nothing to do with this, I apologize. I have not broadcast his name just in case. Ok, I read your posts that you don't want to give out information, but with each post you provide just a little bit more. Why? You are obviously very aware that this will create more questions and the guessing game will continue, not to mention the possibility of an innocent person being brought to the forums, which you so staunchly spoke out against just two days ago. I am not sure I understand the reasons behind the posts, nor do I need to know. I just hope that the information you have already posted on this board does not cause a real witchhunt to begin.

[justthinking]

Imagine that!!! I, I, I, would cause a witch hunt? Okay?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
Imagine that!!! I, I, I, would cause a witch hunt? Okay? Let's be honest, there were/are many questions and guesses as a result of your post on who you think it could be. Right? Each post you have shared a little bit more. Right? For those who are thirsting for any information they too will go looking for information. Viola! Names to guess, information to find, rumors and speculation begin etc. Someone on a witchhunt will surely take what you have given and run with it. That may not be your intention, i don't know you to make that call. However, the result is the same. That's all I am saying. When you accused me of a witchhunt, it was because I was asking questions about YOUR POSTS because they contradicted what jim posted. Not for any other purpose. We have had way too many come on board and play the "I know something" game and your information seemed at first blush to be along those same lines because they did not match Jims statements on line. Now that I say your post may cause a real witchhunt, you find that hard to accept. Let's remember what has happened to MH, SF and many others. There are many locals on this forum who either know someone who knows someone and maybe just one guess from a poster and shazam another person to add to the mix. Not good considering many have been unfairly accused of many things including murder, without a stitch of proof. I just feel that the same thing can happen. It appears from your prior post that you have provided some information via pm's which has already been taken out of context or misquoted. See how easily things can happen? If not for your post the other day, I don't think there would have been any further questions in regard to Jim. I believe it was your post that caused further questions. Further, I think the same will occur if the little hints continue. Does that make sense?

[justthinking]

Again, take this as fact:

I have just spoke with a LE official in your area who knows this person on a personal and professional basis. My person in question was in New Orleans aiding in Katrina relief for a two week period during which time Tara went missing. He volunteered to answer any questions LE might have and to be swabbed if requested. LE says, to them, he is not a POI. Because of some of the info I received, I am satisfied that they followed-up on the info I presented to them.

Obviously, my instinct was totally wrong. I apologize to any of you I may have misled. I joined this forum because I felt very strongly about his matter, and it was certainly not for recreational or entertainment purposes. I was passionate about one theory. Then the JP crap came up and I felt the need to correct some misinformation that was being spread. I know you guys are driven by the need for some answers. For the most part, the work you are doing is commendable. Please continue explore with the same passion that has been present thus far. Just stay mindful of the reason you are here.

I feel some sense of resolve now with my theory, and I have no others. I can admit when I am wrong. My opinion about this person and his personality have not changed. However, I am content with the fact that LE feels he had no involvement. If I brought any harm to him, I am sorry.

On that note, I have nothing left to say.

[mooloo]

Pardon me....let me rephrase...3 or 4 people that I have talked to...I didn't make that clear, did I? I am so very sorry that I upset you with that oversight. Believe me, that was never my intent, honestly.

And the next time I head to Wally World, I will pick up some duct tape...you pick up a Spell Checker, honey, okay? *g*

Now everybody is happy!




Originally posted by gacountry


Now I have an open mind and I hope MH had nothing to do with anything. but Ocilla has a population of what around 3,270 people and you think only 3 or 4 (if that many) have that opinion. Hmmmmmmm. How many did you talk with to come to this conclusion? Now Irwin county has a population of around 10,093 souls have you any idea if maybe you estimate would go up to 10 or 12 (if that many) for the county?

I just could not let this one go without a comment, Mooloo what did you get on your last trip to Walmart? better stick to that ducktape honey! LOL

[msmith1]

Has anyone ever thought that the pot "busts" that were made by LE prior to Tara missing might have included people that knew Tara personally. Perhaps they were students she had taught in years prior. She have even gone to school with the "locals" . I'm sure that the raids ruined some lives and there were probably those that wished to "seek revenge". Tara was a known friend to several LE that were involved with the raids....Seems I remember that some of those that were "rounded" up were quite young. May have been a way of getting to LE by going through Tara. Just my opinion and not intended to rehash something that may have been discussed long ago.

[concernedperson]

I am not discounting anything. I don't care where you are from or if your dog pissed on your neighbor. Tara needs to be found. Any and all reserves should be relegated to this.This is a solvable case. IMO.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Results
justthinking, Please call your LE friend that you spoke to and ask why they will talk to you but not the media? TIA

Where exactly IS law enforcement on this case? Have they ever had a public media update or anything? Are they REALLY even looking for Tara?

I've gotta say that this is the first time I've ever seen LE actually refuse to make any statements. That leads me to believe that they have nothing to solve this case. Or, it could mean that they have something significant to solve this case and can't say anything.

They need to step up to the plate and at least make a public statement to say they really are investigating this.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin


even though I havent ever accused that person of being a murder accomplice, has he ever come forward publicly to clear his name of it? At least Mr.Perry had the sense to clear it up and set the story straight and I still think he deserves an apology for the invasion of his privacy.

You obviously have never been a police officer or worked in a military environment.

As a member of the investigating agency of Tara's case, it would be highly improper for Officer Fletcher to make a public statement about anything to do with the case. Irregardless of whether you want him to "clear" himself or not.

Officer Fletcher obviously does not have the same latitude that a private citizen such as Jim Perry has in making a decision like that.

But the bottom line is that Seamus wrote an article describing in great detail what Officer Fletcher's activities were like the weekend Tara went missing. It obviously shut a lot of people up, because after that article, I didn't see any more accusations and/or innuendo regarding Officer Fletcher being involved in a "murder". But I also didn't see an apology.

So far as Mr. Perry, I was very uncomfortable watching his private life go on display on the forum. I personally have nothing to apologize for, but I do like the hypocrisy in your words/actions. It tells me all I need to know about you. (And BTW, my reliable source says your reliable source is full of beans about the yelling incident.)

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
snipped from original
(And BTW, my reliable source says your reliable source is full of beans about the yelling incident.)

This sounds so immature and spiteful, so unlike some of the mature post you have done.

Sorry that remark about my "my reliable sourse says your reliable source is full of beans about the yelling incident" sounds like something you would hear on an elementery playground.

All In My Own Opinion
Gacountry

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by gacountry


This sounds so immature and spiteful, so unlike some of the mature post you have done.

Sorry that remark about my "my reliable sourse says your reliable source is full of beans about the yelling incident" sounds like something you would hear on an elementery playground.

All In My Own Opinion
Gacountry

But at least it is true GA, give credit where credit is due. And furthermore, BFD said he got it from a source, that info had to be pried outta mannequin.

:shrug:

[gacountry]

Originally posted by simply quiet


But at least it is true GA, give credit where credit is due. And furthermore, BFD said he got it from a source, that info had to be pried outta mannequin.

:shrug:

But how are we suspose to determine whose reliable sourse is reliable? This is getting to be like the chicken or the egg.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gacountry


This sounds so immature and spiteful, so unlike some of the mature post you have done.

Sorry that remark about my "my reliable sourse says your reliable source is full of beans about the yelling incident" sounds like something you would hear on an elementery playground.

All In My Own Opinion
Gacountry

I'm sorry, but I do find the source very reliable.

Has Rhett Roberts come forward and told anyone that Marcus Harper yelled at him and Tara?

Perhaps someone needs to ask him that question "for the record"?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I'm sorry, but I do find the source very reliable.

Has Rhett Roberts come forward and told anyone that Marcus Harper yelled at him and Tara?

Perhaps someone needs to ask him that question "for the record"?

BFG, I am sorry it just was so immature to see "My reliable source says your reliable source " sorta like a mines bigger than yours comment.
I know this is a very serious matter and still that one just got me.

As to Rhett Roberts I have no idea what LE or GBI have asked him and I figure they are "the source" realible or not that will have the last say, IF it ever comes to a say.

I have heard lots from people that said they knew, then I find they know nothing. Most of the "reliable sources" feed you more rumor than facts. As much as I have learned to be leery of LE, I will have to say they are probbly the only "reliable sources" and you ain't gonna get nothing outta them. Just a little press release auctually stating something about the case would be a breath of fresh air, but 9 months into this and nothing real, just filler for Seamus articles is all I have seen. IMO

[BikerBabe]

Results, Phoenix PD caught the two men behind the 'serial killer' murders. I think they number about 6 humans now and many animals. They are also suspects in some WalMarts that were set on fire and received 5 million in damage. The head of the ATF in Phoenix said while investigating the fires they determined that the two suspects they were seeking were connected to the Serial Shooter cases.

They have not caught our Baseline serial killer yet, who is at around 30 kills (and rising) now. This jerk is doing his thing about 10 to 15 blocks away from where I live .. not real comforting.

[BikerBabe]

I'm not too worried about me, just others. I haven't been out of this place in the past 2 months and the plans I had made to finally get out for a night this weekend have fallen thru. I am concerned about those who do have a real life and go out and about daily doing the normal work and play type of things. Without a car to get around and not being strong enough to walk more than around the inside of this apartment on my own without a cane or wheelchair, there's no way the Baseline Rapist/Killer would cross my path. I'll die of boredom long before that would happen. LOL.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Results


I am sorry to hear that you are prevented from activities that most of us take advantage of. If I'm ever online by all means give me a holler be glad to chat with you to keep you company. If I lived closer I would be more than happy to take you somewhere. Good luck to you!

Thanks for reaching out. I agree. We should always be about people. Except, BikerBabe ya might not like the property I am working on. Serious sinus infections as it is so nasty.

But, your insights are especially appreciated. We welcome any and all of your posts and your experience that gives a resonance to continue forward.

I feel heartwarmed that so many are still here. They are not tar and feathering anyone. Just asking for any leads. Go forward my friends. Tara is out there and she needs to come home.

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Thanks for reaching out. I agree. We should always be about people. Except, BikerBabe ya might not like the property I am working on. Serious sinus infections as it is so nasty.

But, your insights are especially appreciated. We welcome any and all of your posts and your experience that gives a resonance to continue forward.

I feel heartwarmed that so many are still here. They are not tar and feathering anyone. Just asking for any leads. Go forward my friends. Tara is out there and she needs to come home.

Thank you kind ladies. Being a chronic pain patient isn't fun and after 8 years of it, I tend to go stir crazy at times. My only way to the rest of the world is via the internet and my computer. I'd be lost without all my online friends I talk to daily in IM or whom I post with on various forums.

I realize I have more personal experience with life tragedy than most and made the decision years ago to not let the pain the memories cause to prevent me from speaking out, if it will somehow help someone else.

This case touched me when I first came across the forum and I hope to follow it thru till the end. I can't get this mind picture to go away that I've had since I found it of Tara lying in a field of some sort that had yellow or light brown 'something' growing in it. Similar to the picture of her I've seen posted, but not the same. I keep praying that comes true and one day we all will see Tara there, alive and smiling for the world to see. As each month goes by though, I feel that becomes less of an option and the reality will be her life has been taken from her. That stirs up the memories I have of after my 1st husband was shot and murdered when I was 19 and I would hate to see another family deal with that pain the rest of their lives. It never really goes away.

I didn't mean to distract this tread from it's original intent. I am open to PM's from anyone who wishes to send one and discuss myself and my experiences more. It's not right to put them here, when we should be discussing the case at hand. :)

[gacountry]

Originally posted by Results

snipped

For Gacountry, wasn't it you that told someone to not forget duct tape at walmart. You call them immature. Please stop. You upset me the most more than all posters I have ever come across. It is a shame that you preach that YOU are a christian and don't act like one. Shame on you!!!!!! Be sure that you know that I did my best to stand up to the plate and you were not willing. When you go to church Sunday that you proclaim to go take a moment to look up to GOD and ask him to show you the spiritual way when your on these message boards so that you can come on here and act right in which you proclaim that you are. I feel really sorry for you. Good luck to you mame as I will never post another reply to you to feed the hatred inside of you that is so strong that only you can control.

Where did all that come from? I almost missed it.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin

i'll get you plate of fried crow ready. Give him a call.

It's already been done. Face-to-face.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Mannequin

so you talked to him face to face and asked him? lol. I dont think so. If you did, you certainly have the wrong Mr. Roberts.

Nope. The right one.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mannequin
Not possible. Sorry you are mistaken. Could it be that YOU and YOUR SOURCES are mistaken? I know BFD does not post something like this unless it is true.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Results


Well you must be Mr. Roberts. So, tell us what you saw?

Mannequin is most definitely not Rhett Roberts... Rhett Roberts knows about being asked about this and knows the answer he gave in front of witnesses.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by popcorn
RR knows what was told to me, tara talked about the event in her e-mails and also told her friend Maria that it was RR at the stop light that evening when MH shouted to her. I believe Tara.


Really? You read an email from Tara that said that? Who was this email to? Are you certain it was from Tara? Did you actually view the computer it was sent to? Was that computer voluntarily given to gbi to authenticate it? Wasn't Tara's computers taken by GBI?

[concernedperson]

M71, I think we are all on the same page. Give us some proof in writing. Contact Seamus McGraw ask that he interview RR.

It is as if someone says something it turns into gospel but that isn't anywhere we need to be right now. Not a lot of truth is being shared. Mostly obsfucation sitting here in front of my screen.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by popcorn
RR knows what was told to me, tara talked about the event in her e-mails and also told her friend Maria that it was RR at the stop light that evening when MH shouted to her. I believe Tara.




Then I think the question should be, "why the inconsistencies?"

Don't take this personally, but I am aware of your track record, but not Rhett's.

One isn't telling the truth.

You determine which one (because only you would know) and then try to determine why the inconsistency exists. Your's or his, whichever one it may be.

I fully trust my information.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by popcorn
RR knows what was told to me, tara talked about the event in her e-mails and also told her friend Maria that it was RR at the stop light that evening when MH shouted to her. I believe Tara.




When were you made privy to Tara's email account?

It was my understanding that Tara's hard drives were taken by the GBI.

Did you see the email headers and verify it was emailed from her account?

Did you pull the data off of her hard drive to determine it was actually written from her computer?

Or, were you given a copy of an email printed out by the person it was allegedly sent to?

And just exactly why would she be sending anybody an email with that information? It's not like it's something you casually bring up in conversation. Sounds a little fishy to me.

Who was it emailed to? Did she not have regular phone contact with this individual?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Isn't that a hamster wheel of hearsay?

You say "RR knows what was told to me,"

I find that an interesting choice of words.
It is unclear whether you spoke to RR -

Did you?

And if this is what you meant

What someone else told you got back to RR

How can you be sure if you did not speak to RR that he knows?

This is easily solved -

Any way any of these emails can be uploaded so we all can see what TARA wrote? Any possibility that MH could get on here and settle it-

Dearly love for Maria to come on here and help us all keep to the facts?

Seems reasonable.

IMO

V

:seeya:

I agree. It is an interesting way of phrasing that. It sounds like popcorn is saying Rhett knows what someone else told him/her about the event and since Rhett hasn't spoken out about it, then it must be true.

That's using false logic. An apathetic attitude towards hearsay doesn't mean it's true.

[concernedperson]

Good questions, BFD I know from first hand experience that my letter from GBI was discounted as pablum.It was like no one accepted this as a criminal case when it was so stated. I offered to fax it to anyone who was interested. Not a living soul took me up on that offer.Except for Dr. G.




Dr. G. did early on and fluffed it off. Kinda what I expected.Now, will I be hacked tonight?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Results


CP,

Hold on there a minute. I discussed this with you on this board and I told you that it was not necessary to fax it to me because I believed you and you know that you are one of the posters that I do trust and believe so I didn't need a copy of it. I also acknowledged the fact that it was now a criminal case and that the searches now even more so needed to be where there were no loop holes for justice to be served. I did hear you and I did believe you. I do consider myself someone LOL.

And you are someone. I am just reiterating the fact that no one wanted to see proof when I had it. People come on board for quick hits. Not you, you are dedicated like I am.

It is there if anyone doubts it.

And, thanks for your trust. I would never mislead you or anyone.I am just here for Tara always. I will see this to the end.Hopefully, without platitudes that don't represent my life or anyone's especially Tara. We are just humans and we are going to screw up.

If someone kills another human being than it is going to be brought up. Every aspect of their life. From the time they say DADA or MAMA. We need to understand why and how we can protect ourselves.It is about self-preservation and this is what we do as a human race. The species has to go forward.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by popcorn
RR has admitted it was him. Tara admitted it was him. I have her emails with the statements. She told two of her closest friends the same story. This is all that I need.



Rhett Roberts admitted "what" to "who"?

Because I do trust the information I have wholeheartedly.

Did Rhett Roberts tell "you"?

And if you have her emails, how did you get them? Printed out emails? And if so, why would someone keep an email from 3 months prior with this information?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Good questions, BFD I know from first hand experience that my letter from GBI was discounted as pablum.It was like no one accepted this as a criminal case when it was so stated. I offered to fax it to anyone who was interested. Not a living soul took me up on that offer.Except for Dr. G.




Dr. G. did early on and fluffed it off. Kinda what I expected.Now, will I be hacked tonight? CP, I did post that I thought is was just a standard response from them. I can imagine that they have had lots of contact from lots of people and just have a standard response all but for changing names. I think if one wrote to them about toilet paper or football they may very well get the same response. Nothing against you cp but they don't seem to be very open to telling anybody much. I just think it is standard for them that's all.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by popcorn
I will not reveal who I have spoken other than to GBI, that's a promise I made. If you're implying that it was not RR at the stop light, then your source is totally wrong. It was not ****s as first rumored. It was not Jim Hickey either.

I have access to a lot of original information concerning this case. This is all that I need.

Don't waste your time responding or asking additional questions, because I've said all I'm going to say - period.



Ok, then I will waste my time responding. LOL Original information? What does that mean? Wasn't alot of original information "gossip"? IIRC the GBI took possession of anything that would contain original emails. Beyond the computer, it would not be "original". If you are not referring to the email then you are hearing things second and third hand. Please answer this question: Have you talked to Rhett yourself?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by popcorn
I will not reveal who I have spoken other than to GBI, that's a promise I made. If you're implying that it was not RR at the stop light, then your source is totally wrong. It was not ****s as first rumored. It was not Jim Hickey either.

I have access to a lot of original information concerning this case. This is all that I need.

Don't waste your time responding or asking additional questions, because I've said all I'm going to say - period.





See, if you were a real investigator, you would be looking at this like a cop would: Why does an inconsistency exist?

From my point of view, I have full confidence in my source. The way I have to view it is ask myself if I've been able to independently verify and/or corroborate information from my source. So far everything has been dead-on and nothing has been inaccurate. Verified from separate and individual sources.

Then I have to ask myself if I've ever been able to verify and/or corroborate anything you've stated as being factual. I have to honestly say that nothing you've stated has been corroborated in any way whatsoever. And in fact I know you had spread misinformation earlier when I first started following this case.

So, I go with the reliable source that has proven themself over time and with independent corroboration.

But, taking this a step further, let's say I give you the benefit of the doubt on this one and what you say is true.

I then have to ask (as an investigator should), why is Rhett Roberts telling two different people two different stories about something that is rather benign?

Here's my guess: I'm guessing you got a copy of an email that was printed out without header information, OR you've been told the email existed at some point in time.

I do not believe you extracted an email from Tara's computer. One, I don't think you have the capability. Two, I don't think the GBI would let you if they still have possession of the hard drives. Three, I don't think the GBI is sharing anything with you... it's a one-way street.

Just a word of advice, quit thinking like a cowboy and start thinking like a cop; you might get further with this case.

[janis]

Just wondering if Tara had possibly emailed this info to LG? Didn't they email each other? Correct me, if wrong.....

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Mannequin
Not possible. Sorry you are mistaken.

Mannequin,, Please tell us why this is not possible ? Is Mr. Roberts no longer able to speak ? Apparently, you do not know BFD. Looking forward to your answer.

[concernedperson]

The only way to truly confirm this is to have the people involved say so. Hearsay hasn't gotten us very far in this case yet.

Most talk is to divert from finding Tara and redirect to he said/she said. Then the whole thought process gets muddled and it starts over.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Are you telling us you WENT TO OCILLA and interviewed people with others nearby as witnesses?

Just wanted to be clear.

V

:seeya:

No. I have not been to Ocilla.

I don't need to go to Ocilla.

[The R]

Originally posted by janis
Just wondering if Tara had possibly emailed this info to LG? Didn't they email each other? Correct me, if wrong.....

hmmmmmmmmmmmm


I'd have to agree here.....seems like we got some tunnel vision going on here re: emails......

wonder how many folks received Tara's email on a regular basis?....surely the GBI didn't take everyone's hard drive. JMO.

R

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Mannequin


Some people print out there emails and keep them in files. maybe tara did that.

Do you know if LE checked the hard drives of all the computers (including those at school) that Tara might have used? Perhaps they contain info which could help solve this case.

IMO

[janis]

Originally posted by Mannequin

yes they emailed each other Janis. You know that. Tara emailed many many people. Why do you ask something that you already know the answer to? Tara would not lie about an incident like that so I am like popcorn, i believe Tara.

yes they emailed each other Janis. You know that
How do I know that?

Why do you ask something that you already know the answer to? Do I know the answer?

Tara would not lie about an incident like that How would I know that? I don't know Tara.....I only know what I read on these boards and what you put in the news. And so far, Godwin and the family have contradicted each other way too many times, for me to know "who" or "what" to believe, in this case.

[janis]

Originally posted by Mannequin


Some people print out there emails and keep them in files. maybe tara did that.


I had never done this, until this case, but I sure hope Tara did.....

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Amaizie


Incorrect. Tara reported at least one other man for stalking type behavior, possibly more than one. The one I am speaking of was incarcerated at the time of Tara's disappearance.

Well, then, the man you're talking about, can be eliminated as a POI, since he was incarcerated when Tara disappeared.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by SlouthyMom
Has the AV been completely cleared or is he still poi?

<<<<<<SNIPPED>>>>>>

Of all POI AV is the only one that Tara ever felt threatened enough to call in LE.

To my knowledge, Tara didn't call LE, the neighbors did. In fact, she even tried to help AV.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Amaizie


I think you are right about that too. In fact, IMO, I don't think AV had anything to do with Tara's disappearance. No offense meant to him, but he just strikes me as too immature to have been involved in something this bizarre anyway. I think it was a planned thing, by someone else she knew.

Given the episode of AV having banged on Tara's door, so long and so hard, that it prompted the neighbors to call LE, my guess is that AV was probably one of the first persons LE looked at, following Tara's reported disappearance.

IMO

[BikerBabe]

I just woke up for my day and am waiting on pain meds to take effect, so am still a little grouchy. Please excuse me if I come across as rude, it's not intended that way to anyone.

Why all the fuss over any guy calling Tara a 'nasty name'. Sheesh people. She dealt with a lot of cops, who aren't known for having the most PC ways of speaking once they are comfortable with you. Do you really think getting called a tramp or something like that would really have that much of an effect on her? If it did, then she shouldn't hang around with cops!

Think everyone. Cops deal with the scum of the earth on a daily basis, that is their job. Cops walk their walk, but talk the perp's talk in order to communicate with such people and understand them. Some of the best jokes I've ever heard, complete with very nasty words, I heard from my cop buddies. I'm sure I've picked up a few choice words from them too, enough that I made my truck driver buddy, who retired to become a cop, turn totally red! (The thought of him with a gun with REAL bullets in it is still rather unsettling though .. LOL .. at least that's what we tell him.) Yet if the occasion arose, I could clean up rather nicely and fit in just as well in a very formal function with 'normal' people and talk without curse words.

It's pretty common that ex boyfriends or girlfriends will say things that arise from hurt when they see their prior love out with another person. That sounds like what happened in this case. I just can't make the jump in my head from calling an ex a tramp to murder.

This seems to be more of a way to distract from other parts of the case that we know are true. If LE looked at everyone who ever called an ex a bad name, they would never get the real bad guys caught and put in prison where they belong.

All this just from my own experience and knowledge gained over the years. Sorry, just can't get this one to fit in any way in my thinking about the case.

[Hey Paula]

When people disappear, LE first looks at spouses/significant others/ex-lovers, before looking at anyone else.

Ex-lovers who've quarrelled publicly, and/or called their one time lovers the name MH called Tara, would be looked at even more closely, due to his apparent jealousy.

IMO

[concernedperson]

Tara may have been on the rebound after rejection by Marcus or not. She may have had a misconstrued ideation about love, marriage, children and happily ever after. We will never know, she is not here to tell us.

So, we continue on. I truly believe if she were alive to speak about this she would have already. People who shine in spotlight situations don't change their spots. She was a pageant queen, a singer, a teacher, a cheerleader sponser none are shy withdrawn personas. She is talkative from what I have gathered. Could she have been confused about everything.....for sure.

I think she pushed the wrong button.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Results


Lets say you are right. Who's button would she have pushed wrong?

Still working on that, Results.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
When people disappear, LE first looks at spouses/significant others/ex-lovers, before looking at anyone else.

Ex-lovers who've quarrelled publicly, and/or called their one time lovers the name MH called Tara, would be looked at even more closely, due to his apparent jealousy.

IMO

That's let's Marcus off the hook then. Rhett Roberts has stated (with witnesses) that Marcus didn't yell anything to Tara while he was with her.

Bottom line is that it's 9 months later and they've done everything but give the man a colonoscopy, I think it's safe to assume Marcus Harper is the wrong tree, but the dogs continue to bark.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


That's let's Marcus off the hook then. Rhett Roberts has stated (with witnesses) that Marcus didn't yell anything to Tara while he was with her.

Bottom line is that it's 9 months later and they've done everything but give the man a colonoscopy, I think it's safe to assume Marcus Harper is the wrong tree, but the dogs continue to bark.
This is so true and I don't see why no one else gets it. Yes, it is usually the SO that does the crime but in this case there are several with motives and much opportunity.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Results


I agree with you. It just goes to show you when we try to put some pieces to the puzzle without MH in it .... we get no discussion. If we go outside of Ocilla....we get we don't know what we are talking about. It is very strange to me that all these "reliable sources" only have the information on MH. You think you are discussing the case and trying to get the truth but your attacked because of it yet the very next post they will tell you that you don't want the truth. This is how I look at it....if your looking for me in GA your not going to find me I'm in MS. So, if you aren't moving the case along in Ocilla then maybe it is because it isn't anyone in Ocilla. What would it hurt to go to neighboring counties to continue the investigation? Some posters just can't get past Ocilla. JMHO

Not to worry as I believe most with thinking attitudes are moving outside of Ocilla. I also believe LE is doing the same or has been doing the same.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by popcorn
RR has admitted it was him. Tara admitted it was him. I have her emails with the statements. She told two of her closest friends the same story. This is all that I need.

I'd just like to add that your statement greatly concerns me. If you were able to get a hold of Tara's emails- who else has them? This is dangerous to the investigation, I don't believe that ethically or legally, you should have those documents.

JMO of course.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Results
I do agree with you that AV should have been the first person anyone looked at. AV still proclaimis that him and Tara had a romantic relationship, was it in his mind? Which also makes me wonder why was the finger automatically pointed to MH by AG? Did AG not know that this incident happened?

Has it been confirmed that AV was romantically involved with Tara? I don't want to be offensive, but it seems hard to believe that someone Tara's age would date AV.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


I'd just like to add that your statement greatly concerns me. If you were able to get a hold of Tara's emails- who else has them? This is dangerous to the investigation, I don't believe that ethically or legally, you should have those documents.

JMO of course.

And you would be correct. His invention as far as getting emails is formidable. Maybe he has a friend that is savvy and loves to intrude.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


Has it been confirmed that AV was romantically involved with Tara? I don't want to be offensive, but it seems hard to believe that someone Tara's age would date AV.

I agree with you, TD.

I think AV had a crush on Tara, much like some students have crushes on their attractive teachers. I believe Tara recognized this, and that's why, when this incident of AV banging on Tara's door caused the neighbors to call LE, that Tara didn't feel AV was a threat to her, and spoke on his behalf.

IMO

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
think AV had a crush on Tara, much like some students have crushes on their attractive teachers. I believe Tara recognized this, and that's why, when this incident of AV banging on Tara's door caused the neighbors to call LE, that Tara didn't feel AV was a threat to her, and spoke on his behalf. IMO

Very plausible and most likely. AV seems harmless- although that means nothing.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Amaizie


From reading back, I glean that you claim to have met "face to face" with RR, a man unknown to you until this case, yet he trusts you enough to have a face to face meeting (with a total stranger from the Internet no less)....yet in a later post you state you've never been to Ocilla.... Alrighty then, let's just analyze this. A total stranger to you, who we assume lives in Ocilla, with everything to lose, suddenly feels the need to meet with you in a strange city and reveal confidential information to you, in exchange for.....? What exactly? Fame? Fortune? A People Magazine cover? Dibs on a TV movie? What? Yeah right. We believe you. Yep. We sure do. Sure... yes...we do.... If you're looking for a first rights book deal, get in line. There are 2 ahead of you already, chomping at the bit for the top spot. GMAB. Stating that you met "face to face" with Rhett Roberts is nothing but a lie.

I never said I met face to face with Rhett Roberts.

Perhaps you can brush up on your comprehension skills?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


I'd just like to add that your statement greatly concerns me. If you were able to get a hold of Tara's emails- who else has them? This is dangerous to the investigation, I don't believe that ethically or legally, you should have those documents.

JMO of course.

What concerns me is the veracity of these emails.

I can print out an email that makes it look like it came from President Bush. Without the proper authentication from either her hard drive or the ISP/email provider, it's all a moot point.

Of course the intimation is that she emailed someone this information and that person provided said copy of email to popcorn. (At least that's what I'm reading into the situation). I would find it strange that someone had this alleged email sitting in their inbox for 6 months.

(The other guess was that Tara printed it out herself) I would find that even stranger. Why would Tara print our her sent emails? Weird.

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


What concerns me is the veracity of these emails.

I can print out an email that makes it look like it came from President Bush. Without the proper authentication from either her hard drive or the ISP/email provider, it's all a moot point.

Of course the intimation is that she emailed someone this information and that person provided said copy of email to popcorn. (At least that's what I'm reading into the situation). I would find it strange that someone had this alleged email sitting in their inbox for 6 months.

(The other guess was that Tara printed it out herself) I would find that even stranger. Why would Tara print our her sent emails? Weird.

Let me expound on this a bit more. Hope you don't mind my doing that BFD.

I could send anyone an email with headers I make myself. All it takes is some knowledge of unix, send mail and how to ssh into port 25 of an ISP's mail computer. I do that with ISP friends as a joke. Someone untrained in reading full headers, would never know it didn't come from sexysally @ bedroom.com and really came from me.

While these days ISP's are a lot more secure than they were when I first got online 13 years ago, there are still plenty of small ones or private companies that haven't gone the extra mile to secure their box and it's so very easy to get to the port and send out email with fake headers.

Telnet in, say helo to the box (not a typo, computers only say helo with one l), put in my data and type . (period) to tell it to end and send. Takes just a few minutes time.

[BroadwayJoe]

OK, I looked back and BFD, it DOES look like you stated you met face to face with RR about the incident. So did you, or didn't you? If not, why would you state you did? Not cool at all. We are looking for truth, not riddles.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Amaizie


Actually, on a post 08/05/06, yes you did. If you "implied" it but didn't actually do it, then that's even worse.

No. Again, you're not comprehending what you're reading or the context it was written in.

A poster said for me to give him a call. (Regarding the accuracy of whether he said this or not)

I said, "It's already been done. Face-to-face."

In posts previous to that (again, context, context, context) I had stated my "source" gave me this information.

My source asked Rhett in a face-to-face conversation (with witnesses).

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
When people disappear, LE first looks at spouses/significant others/ex-lovers, before looking at anyone else.

Ex-lovers who've quarrelled publicly, and/or called their one time lovers the name MH called Tara, would be looked at even more closely, due to his apparent jealousy.

IMO

It's my understanding they did that already. From all I've read over the months, Marcus has done everything but dance naked around a maypole for LE and provided them with a very solid alibi.

Why is it so hard for some to look at others? Heck, the guy who murdered my 1st hubby had never even once had a brush with the law. The last guy anyone would expect to pick up a rifle and kill someone, but he did and he admitted it.

I've found those that harm are normally not the ones who will speak out and curse someone when upset. Same as people who threaten to commit suicide. It's the ones who don't say a word that actually do the deed, the ones that talk, do only that .. talk.

Off Topic: BFD, I think I like you .. takes 'guts' to mention a colonoscopy when you know there's a Crohnie (person with Crohn's Disease) reading the forum. LOL. Almost spit coffee all over my monitor when I came to that line. :) Then I remembered I should have had one a couple years ago and shuddered. (Last one I had the doc didn't put me out as promised and I ended up passing out from the pain. Yeah, I fired him immediately after that incident too and have yet to think about doing it again.)

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I'm sorry, but I do find the source very reliable.

Has Rhett Roberts come forward and told anyone that Marcus Harper yelled at him and Tara?

Perhaps someone needs to ask him that question "for the record"?

I thought it was Heath ****s who was in the car when Anthony Vickers yelled at Tara and called her that name? Or is that not the version that was stated as a refute to the claim that it was MH doing the yelling? What does that have to do w/ Rhett Roberts?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


I thought it was Heath ****s who was in the car when Anthony Vickers yelled at Tara and called her that name? Or is that not the version that was stated as a refute to the claim that it was MH doing the yelling? What does that have to do w/ Rhett Roberts?

There are two different stories going around.

1. Heath and Tara were in a car and Anthony yelled at them.

2. Rhett and Tara were in a car and Marcus yelled at them.

I don't know anything about the one with Heath or Anthony.

I was interested in finding out about the alleged incident with Marcus.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


There are two different stories going around.

1. Heath and Tara were in a car and Anthony yelled at them.

2. Rhett and Tara were in a car and Marcus yelled at them.

I don't know anything about the one with Heath or Anthony.

I was interested in finding out about the alleged incident with Marcus.

Well, that's my point. If there were any incidents that involved HD, TG and AV, then Rhett Robert's recollection about whether anyone ever called Tara names in his presence wouldn't matter. :shrug:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


Well, that's my point. If there were any incidents that involved HD, TG and AV, then Rhett Robert's recollection about whether anyone ever called Tara names in his presence wouldn't matter. :shrug:

Huh?

There are two different stories:

1. Rhett and Tara were in a car and Marcus allegedly yelled at them. (Rhett being in the car is the key component to this particular story.

2. Heath and Tara were in a car and Anthony allegedly yelled at them.

I have never looked into anything about any incident between Anthony, Heath and Tara.

I was looking into the alleged incident between Marcus, Rhett and Tara.

Rhett would know about an incident if he was in the car with Tara (as the story goes), right?

The gist of the situation is that people on this forum have stated that Marcus yelled at Tara while Rhett Roberts was with her. Not Heath.

[Elle_Woods]

Also, I thought it was just that AG got the two of them (AV & MH) mixed up in that incident?

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Huh?

There are two different stories:

1. Rhett and Tara were in a car and Marcus allegedly yelled at them. (Rhett being in the car is the key component to this particular story.

2. Heath and Tara were in a car and Anthony allegedly yelled at them.

I have never looked into anything about any incident between Anthony, Heath and Tara.

I was looking into the alleged incident between Marcus, Rhett and Tara.

Rhett would know about an incident if he was in the car with Tara (as the story goes), right?

The gist of the situation is that people on this forum have stated that Marcus yelled at Tara while Rhett Roberts was with her. Not Heath.



I was responding to the notion that there are two different stories.

There was a story - rumor more like it - going around that MH yelled something at Tara in the car when she was with Rhett. Yes, you are right, that there was such a version of that story at one time.

Then, several people - repeatedly on multiple different forums, insisted that Anita got her facts wrong and that it was AV who yelled the names at Tara while she was with HD and that MH and RR had nothing to do with it. It was used as fodder, by some, to support points that AG didn't know Tara well enough to know what had happened re: that incident and that she was just out to get MH no matter what.

In fact, I think you were one of the people who said this yourself. So, if it's your opinion that the first story was just totally incorrect (the one that involved MH) and that AG didn't have her people straight, why would anything Rhett Roberts suppposedly have said to you be relevant? Knowing that AG simply had her cast of characters wrong?

Have you asked AV what the scoop is on this particular story? I mean, because if we start asking everyone and everyone is denying everything, it starts to look a little strange. Also, AV's relatives who are a part of these boards - at times, claim AV had nothing to do with it either. So either somebody is lying about both 'versions' or somebody just doesn't want to admit that a person close to them would yell something like that to TG.

[BroadwayJoe]

Why don't we all go to Ocilla, Georgia and sit at the intersection and see if anyone rides by and yells at us? Then we can have BFD do another face to face interview about who yelled what.

Frankly, I don't see where all this is going, but I do see that BFD's story has changed a bit on this. For what reason, I don't know.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods




I was responding to the notion that there are two different stories.

There was a story - rumor more like it - going around that MH yelled something at Tara in the car when she was with Rhett. Yes, you are right, that there was such a version of that story at one time.

Then, several people - repeatedly on multiple different forums, insisted that Anita got her facts wrong and that it was AV who yelled the names at Tara while she was with HD and that MH and RR had nothing to do with it. It was used as fodder, by some, to support points that AG didn't know Tara well enough to know what had happened re: that incident and that she was just out to get MH no matter what.

In fact, I think you were one of the people who said this yourself. So, if it's your opinion that the first story was just totally incorrect (the one that involved MH) and that AG didn't have her people straight, why would anything Rhett Roberts suppposedly have said to you be relevant? Knowing that AG simply had her cast of characters wrong?

Have you asked AV what the scoop is on this particular story? I mean, because if we start asking everyone and everyone is denying everything, it starts to look a little strange. Also, AV's relatives who are a part of these boards - at times, claim AV had nothing to do with it either. So either somebody is lying about both 'versions' or somebody just doesn't want to admit that a person close to them would yell something like that to TG.

You seem to be missing how all of this got started.

Zorro posted a few days back about Rhett Roberts being in the car with Tara and Marcus yelling something at them.

Mannequin then stated it was a "fact" that this version had occurred.

I then got information that it was not the case and posted such.

I don't recall ever saying Vickers said or did anything. It would be more likely that Vickers would do it since he's the person that was banging on her door and it wouldn't seem like too far of a stretch to envision him yelling something to someone; but I never said that was the case.

When Vickers begins to get hammered left and right as the prime suspect without any facts of evidence whatsoever to make that assertion, I will by all means start looking in that direction to disspell rumors and gossip. So far that hasn't happened. All of the focus has been on Marcus. Hence my reason for wanting factual information to back up these claims.

So far the only factual information I've found out that could possibly lead Marcus to being the "guilty party" is the fact he and Tara dated. Not much of an indictment in my opinion. Sounds more like fantasy.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe
Why don't we all go to Ocilla, Georgia and sit at the intersection and see if anyone rides by and yells at us? Then we can have BFD do another face to face interview about who yelled what.

Frankly, I don't see where all this is going, but I do see that BFD's story has changed a bit on this. For what reason, I don't know.

"changed a bit?"

More like you don't know how to comprehend simple english.

My posts are here. None of them are gone.

But I refuse to have to draw it out line by line due to the fact you're too lazy, (or incompetent) to understand the context of what I've written or go back and see what I've written.

My original post said, "my source says...." Very clear that I was using a source. Again, if your intelligence doesn't allow you to understand that, there's not much I can do for you BJ.

[BikerBabe]

For those new on this forum. MANY posts have been moved into other threads or simply deleted as per the moderators wishes thru the months. I do remember reading what was said and BFD said his source had a face to face chat with the man.

Am I going to take the time to search thru months of threads to see if I can find it? No, I'm not. I don't even know if it still exsists due to how all the posts done have been moved or deleted.

Take it from those of us that have followed since the near beginning of this tragedy....there are some here who will try to lead you in the total wrong direction. Why we're aren't yet sure, but they do seem to have an agenda other than finding Tara.

I see you questioning a lot Joe. That is a good thing, but keep in mind whom you get information from. People with LE experience, who actually know how a case is performed .. or some self appointed spokesperson or psychic (non proven, I know some are good, but most are con jobs). If I want supposition, I can go ask my housewife neighbor her opinion and probably get told some of the same things I've read posted here, none of which are true or reliable and off the top of her head or from the latest romance/mystery novel she just finished. (That's not an insult to housewives or I am including myself in the comment folks.) When I want to know something LE would do, I ask LE!

Why isn't everyone asking those posters who have experience in LE how they would handle this case if they were on it? There are quite a few following this case. Why believe rumor, innuendo, gossip, websites started by non LE people, etc. and add more to this confusing, frustrating case?

I'm aware the GBI isn't talking about this case. That doesn't stop any of us from asking how cases are preformed by the posters here that either are present. former or retired LE. The laws are similar in all states when it comes to missing persons, so they could really help with some answers on what the GBI could be doing I would think.

[sogalady]

Originally posted by Mannequin


is Mr. Roberts no longer able to speak? maybe you should ask that question to BFD who claims to know him well and interviewed him about this lol. I think this is being carried a little too far since i already said that calling someone a name doesnt make them a murderer but you all keep on and on with this so it now makes me wonder that maybe it does.

Once again, you avoid answering a specific question,,, could it be that you don't have an answer ?

One more time for the "comprehending impaired",, Why is it impossible , as you previously stated ? BTW, I don't have to ask BFD,, he wasn't the one that made this statement . Now can you back up your statements or NOT ?

No need to ramble on about "I already said that calling someone a name doesn't make them a murderer", What does this have to do with the simple question ask of you that you did not answer.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
What concerns me is the veracity of these emails.

I can print out an email that makes it look like it came from President Bush. Without the proper authentication from either her hard drive or the ISP/email provider, it's all a moot point.

Of course the intimation is that she emailed someone this information and that person provided said copy of email to popcorn. (At least that's what I'm reading into the situation). I would find it strange that someone had this alleged email sitting in their inbox for 6 months.

(The other guess was that Tara printed it out herself) I would find that even stranger. Why would Tara print our her sent emails? Weird.

Look, its an inpropriety for a civilian to have sensitive documents relating to an unsolved case. If this is true, it could screw up everything in a court of law- chain of evidence has been broken.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


Look, its an inpropriety for a civilian to have sensitive documents relating to an unsolved case. If this is true, it could screw up everything in a court of law- chain of evidence has been broken.

I'm sure "if" anyone has any emails, they are copies and not the originals. If someone felt they were important enough to give to Dr. Godwin, then I'm sure they thought they were important enough to give to the GBI well before Godwin became involved. Most definitely if it's an email stating Tara was afraid of Marcus Harper. Anita has been accusing him since the beginning.

I personally don't think any emails exist stating this "information".

But fear not, I know for a FACT that representatives of the GBI and the Ocilla PD read this forum. (God bless their souls)

[fsbiii]

IMO, the hard-drives were already gone when Larry Gattis was doing the following:

GRACE: I was wondering something also. I went and looked at her computer area. Did not look to me as if it had been dusted for fingerprints. But I noticed that her trash can, a little-bitty waste can, had a little papers in it. And the area was covered in papers and notes. I saw some ticket stubs to a movie. I`m just wondering, do you know whether police went through all that?

GATTIS: I`m assuming that the GBI did, but I know my husband did. He sat there and diligently looked at every single piece of paper.

I think the emails in question, if any, are copies saved either by Tara or by the recipients of them. There was rumor of a "box" of emails under her bed or something at one time.

Originally posted by guitarstring
IIRC, Anita said Larry sat and went through Tara's trash can piece by piece (beside her computer area) and even got on her computer or took a look at things on her computer?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


Look, its an inpropriety for a civilian to have sensitive documents relating to an unsolved case. If this is true, it could screw up everything in a court of law- chain of evidence has been broken.

If such an email exists, there would be evidence of it on Tara's computer, which I assume LE has had in their possession. If so, they will have already gathered all potential evidence from its hard drive, i.e., the primary source of evidence, and one which would not be questioned for its veracity.

IMO

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


"changed a bit?"

More like you don't know how to comprehend simple english.

My posts are here. None of them are gone.

But I refuse to have to draw it out line by line due to the fact you're too lazy, (or incompetent) to understand the context of what I've written or go back and see what I've written.

My original post said, "my source says...." Very clear that I was using a source. Again, if your intelligence doesn't allow you to understand that, there's not much I can do for you BJ.
Quite the contrary, I comprehend simple English very well. Your story has changed, and I determined this FROM going back and reading what you had written, after this issue came up between other posters. And just so you'll know, when someone has a "source", there is nothing that makes that source more superior than the next person's "source". We are free to choose what we believe to be true in either case. Just the fact that you backed away and zig-zagged about an earlier post you made, gives less credibility to you in general where this issue is concerned. I have agreed with you on many issues you've posted about previously, but this one just doesn't make sense at this point.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BikerBabe
For those new on this forum. MANY posts have been moved into other threads or simply deleted as per the moderators wishes thru the months. I do remember reading what was said and BFD said his source had a face to face chat with the man.

Am I going to take the time to search thru months of threads to see if I can find it? No, I'm not. I don't even know if it still exsists due to how all the posts done have been moved or deleted.

Take it from those of us that have followed since the near beginning of this tragedy....there are some here who will try to lead you in the total wrong direction. Why we're aren't yet sure, but they do seem to have an agenda other than finding Tara.

I see you questioning a lot Joe. That is a good thing, but keep in mind whom you get information from. People with LE experience, who actually know how a case is performed .. or some self appointed spokesperson or psychic (non proven, I know some are good, but most are con jobs). If I want supposition, I can go ask my housewife neighbor her opinion and probably get told some of the same things I've read posted here, none of which are true or reliable and off the top of her head or from the latest romance/mystery novel she just finished. (That's not an insult to housewives or I am including myself in the comment folks.) When I want to know something LE would do, I ask LE!

Why isn't everyone asking those posters who have experience in LE how they would handle this case if they were on it? There are quite a few following this case. Why believe rumor, innuendo, gossip, websites started by non LE people, etc. and add more to this confusing, frustrating case?

I'm aware the GBI isn't talking about this case. That doesn't stop any of us from asking how cases are preformed by the posters here that either are present. former or retired LE. The laws are similar in all states when it comes to missing persons, so they could really help with some answers on what the GBI could be doing I would think.

BikerBabe, I have LE experience and a legal background. No need to direct me to the right people to learn from. But thanks anyway.

As for BFD's post, if there are truly threads which existed about the "face to face" meeting, but they are now deleted, then so be it. But that wasn't mentioned until now. Why? BFD just said he didn't want to look it up, or something similar. So here we go again with 2 different versions of the exact same thing. But again, if they DID INDEED EXIST, then I would change my opinion of whether he stated 2 different things; but the fact remains that he did nothing to clarify this just a few days ago, when he had ample opportunity. When a "source" suddenly enters the picture that did not exist before, then you must question it. That is my right to ask questions.

[singlesix]

FWIW, I read the original posts mentioning the "source" and the "face-to-face" and some folks immediately became confused and questioned how BFD got there so fast to do the interview. And some of them never caught on that it was the "source" who had done the interview, although it was clearly posted that way.

What can I say? I'll mosey back on over to the Behl board. I've just been following along here from time to time trying to figure out why people started on a Saturday or Sunday looking for a grown woman living on her own.

Let's see, car is in the drive, she must be out with someone. Late at night and not at home? She's single and it's the weekend. Just because she didn't return phone calls? Why do I have the feeling something is being left out?

singlesix

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by singlesix
FWIW, I read the original posts mentioning the "source" and the "face-to-face" and some folks immediately became confused and questioned how BFD got there so fast to do the interview. And some of them never caught on that it was the "source" who had done the interview, although it was clearly posted that way.

What can I say? I'll mosey back on over to the Behl board. I've just been following along here from time to time trying to figure out why people started on a Saturday or Sunday looking for a grown woman living on her own.

Let's see, car is in the drive, she must be out with someone. Late at night and not at home? She's single and it's the weekend. Just because she didn't return phone calls? Why do I have the feeling something is being left out?

singlesix

Maybe because Tara hadn't answered her phone, nor had she replied to the many messages left by HD?

IMO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe

Quite the contrary, I comprehend simple English very well. Your story has changed, and I determined this FROM going back and reading what you had written, after this issue came up between other posters. And just so you'll know, when someone has a "source", there is nothing that makes that source more superior than the next person's "source". We are free to choose what we believe to be true in either case. Just the fact that you backed away and zig-zagged about an earlier post you made, gives less credibility to you in general where this issue is concerned. I have agreed with you on many issues you've posted about previously, but this one just doesn't make sense at this point.

I typically wouldn't spend the time doing this. But I do like proving obtuse people wrong when I get a chance to do so.

First, I think to back up your statement of me "changing" my story of "zig-zagging", you need to link to that post(s). They don't exist.

Now, this is really simple ABC, 123 kind of stuff.. let's see if you can follow the bouncing ball, okay?

Long, long ago... in a galaxy far away...

Zorro brought up the "fact" that Marcus yelled at Rhett Roberts and Tara.

Mannequin stated he/she knew this for a fact. Paula jumped in with a few congratulatory pats on the back for being so forthright with the lot of us.

I asked for "proof". In fact I hounded poor Mannequin for days about whether he/she would be willing to testify in front of a grand jury that they witnessed this. I finally got some lame answer back that indicated they didn't actually witness the event.

Mannequin claimed a "source" told him/her this information.

So, that's the background information.

The other day I receive information from my "source". And this is the exchange that occurred since that time (pertinent posts of course).

My very first post after receiving the information making mention of it was this snippet in a reply to Mannequin regarding an apology for Sean Fletcher:

BFD - v2.0

(And BTW, my reliable source says your reliable source is full of beans about the yelling incident.)

08-04-2006 09:38 AM

Now... my very first post states, "my reliable source".

But let's follow the bouncing ball a little bit further, shall we?

I was then chided by another member for being immature with my "dig". (Legitimate gripe, but I never claimed to be mature) This was my response:

BFD - v2.0


I'm sorry, but I do find the source very reliable.

Has Rhett Roberts come forward and told anyone that Marcus Harper yelled at him and Tara?

Perhaps someone needs to ask him that question "for the record"?

08-04-2006 11:08 AM

Again, mention of a source. Didn't say Rhett told me anything. I wouldn't refer to a "source" if I talked directly to him, now would I? (Well, in your twisted and distorted reality, you might do something like that, but not me.)

So Mannequin shoots back a response:

quote:Originally posted by Mannequin


i'll get you plate of fried crow ready. Give him a call.

My response:

BFD - v2.0

It's already been done. Face-to-face.

08-04-2006 11:29 PM

Now, this is the next post you surely overlooked while you pondering what you might have agreed with me on in the past. (Which I don't recall you agreeing with me about anything. Perhaps it was one of your other nicks that agreed with me and you've gotten confused?)

Mannequin asks me two questions:

quote:Originally posted by Mannequin

so you talked to him face to face and asked him? lol. I dont think so. If you did, you certainly have the wrong Mr. Roberts.

My response:

BFD - v2.0

Nope. The right one.

08-04-2006 11:41 PM

Now, notice there are two answers in my response. I was answering two questions. (One question was formed as a statement in Mannequin's post)

Let me color code it for you to make it really simple.

quote:Originally posted by Mannequin

so you talked to him face to face and asked him? lol. I dont think so. If you did, you certainly have the wrong Mr. Roberts.

My response:

BFD - v2.0

Nope. The right one.

08-04-2006 11:41 PM

Now, we see when asked if I talked to Rhett Roberts face to face, I said "nope". Pretty straightforward stuff, huh?

But let's go a little bit further with this diatribe. (I haven't reached the 8000 character limit yet, so figure I might as well keep making my point...)

Now popcorn jumps in the game to share some of his wisdom. This is what popcorn had to say:

quote:Originally posted by popcorn
I will not reveal who I have spoken other than to GBI, that's a promise I made. If you're implying that it was not RR at the stop light, then your source is totally wrong. *snipped*

I snipped the entire post because I wanted to make a point. Notice how popcorn says, "then your source is totally wrong."

Popcorn realizes that I have a "source".

My response to popcorn.

BFD - v2.0


See, if you were a real investigator, you would be looking at this like a cop would: Why does an inconsistency exist?

From my point of view, I have full confidence in my source. The way I have to view it is ask myself if I've been able to independently verify and/or corroborate information from my source. So far everything has been dead-on and nothing has been inaccurate. Verified from separate and individual sources.

Then I have to ask myself if I've ever been able to verify and/or corroborate anything you've stated as being factual. I have to honestly say that nothing you've stated has been corroborated in any way whatsoever. And in fact I know you had spread misinformation earlier when I first started following this case.

So, I go with the reliable source that has proven themself over time and with independent corroboration.


08-05-2006 11:54 PM

Now, see how I'm talking about reliable sources? Wow... what a revelation. So far everything has been consistent with my very first post concerning this torrid affair.

But then Matt7:1 asks me straight out:

quote:Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Are you telling us you WENT TO OCILLA and interviewed people with others nearby as witnesses?

Just wanted to be clear.

My response (which I must admit was rather pithy)

BFD - v2.0


No. I have not been to Ocilla.

I don't need to go to Ocilla.

08-06-2006 09:45 AM

So, we've covered a 48 hour period of this and I was consistent throughout it.

Now, could you point out where the "zig" and the "zag" occurred? Obviously somewhere within your synapses. One neuron must have zigged while the other one zagged. Because there has been absolutely nothing inconsistent with what I've said.

The End.

(Audiobook version available from Bitter Pill Publishing)

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
If such an email exists, there would be evidence of it on Tara's computer, which I assume LE has had in their possession. If so, they will have already gathered all potential evidence from its hard drive, i.e., the primary source of evidence, and one which would not be questioned for its veracity.IMO

honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult. My concern is that if one person has this info- the perp could have it as well.

Look at the Ramsey case- if that's a case that shows what destruction can follow when evidence is leaked- well, Tara deserves justice.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


honestly, I'm not trying to be difficult. My concern is that if one person has this info- the perp could have it as well.

Look at the Ramsey case- if that's a case that shows what destruction can follow when evidence is leaked- well, Tara deserves justice.

I agree with you.

I was merely trying to ease your mind about the chain of command question you presented, e.i., that the computer hard drive contains the original and true evidence.

[Elle_Woods]

I have no idea who Zorro is. If posters who've written something in another area or another time/place are going to be referenced, then maybe you should just reference them right off the bat? Not everyone has time to read here every single day, through every thread. A simple link to whatever thread that involved the other poster would do.

Whatever Zorro said, doesn't alter the possibility that maybe Rhett Roberts was not the one in the car when the yelling incident occurred and therefore, his opinion or interview/whatever on whether anyone (including MH) had ever yelled at Tara in the car would not matter. Is it not possible that someone got who was in the car or who was doing the yelling wrong in the first version of that story? Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time that something turned into a game of telephone on the internet.

Also, why would "popcorn" change the headings or content of the email to include MH, knowing that Tara's friends were alive and well (last I knew) and could simply turn around saying "hey, Tara never wrote an email like that to me"? :shrug:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods
I have no idea who Zorro is. If posters who've written something in another area or another time/place are going to be referenced, then maybe you should just reference them right off the bat? Not everyone has time to read here every single day, through every thread. A simple link to whatever thread that involved the other poster would do.

Whatever Zorro said, doesn't alter the possibility that maybe Rhett Roberts was not the one in the car when the yelling incident occurred and therefore, his opinion or interview/whatever on whether anyone (including MH) had ever yelled at Tara in the car would not matter. Is it not possible that someone got who was in the car or who was doing the yelling wrong in the first version of that story? Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time that something turned into a game of telephone on the internet.

Also, why would "popcorn" change the headings or content of the email to include MH, knowing that Tara's friends were alive and well (last I knew) and could simply turn around saying "hey, Tara never wrote an email like that to me"? :shrug:

People are claiming it's in an email. How would Tara put the wrong name in an email (if it exists)?

And who accused popcorn of changing the headers or content of any email? I see no reason why he would want to do so. But I could understand why others might want to. Perchance the person who gave him the emails?

But, no one has said "who" the email was allegedly sent to. So how would a friend of Tara's know they were the alleged recipient? They would just assume it was another person, not them.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I typically wouldn't spend the time doing this. But I do like proving obtuse people wrong when I get a chance to do so.

First, I think to back up your statement of me "changing" my story of "zig-zagging", you need to link to that post(s). They don't exist.

Now, this is really simple ABC, 123 kind of stuff.. let's see if you can follow the bouncing ball, okay?

Long, long ago... in a galaxy far away...

Zorro brought up the "fact" that Marcus yelled at Rhett Roberts and Tara.

Mannequin stated he/she knew this for a fact. Paula jumped in with a few congratulatory pats on the back for being so forthright with the lot of us.

I asked for "proof". In fact I hounded poor Mannequin for days about whether he/she would be willing to testify in front of a grand jury that they witnessed this. I finally got some lame answer back that indicated they didn't actually witness the event.

Mannequin claimed a "source" told him/her this information.

So, that's the background information.

The other day I receive information from my "source". And this is the exchange that occurred since that time (pertinent posts of course).

My very first post after receiving the information making mention of it was this snippet in a reply to Mannequin regarding an apology for Sean Fletcher:

BFD - v2.0

(And BTW, my reliable source says your reliable source is full of beans about the yelling incident.)

08-04-2006 09:38 AM

Now... my very first post states, "my reliable source".

But let's follow the bouncing ball a little bit further, shall we?

I was then chided by another member for being immature with my "dig". (Legitimate gripe, but I never claimed to be mature) This was my response:

BFD - v2.0


I'm sorry, but I do find the source very reliable.

Has Rhett Roberts come forward and told anyone that Marcus Harper yelled at him and Tara?

Perhaps someone needs to ask him that question "for the record"?

08-04-2006 11:08 AM

Again, mention of a source. Didn't say Rhett told me anything. I wouldn't refer to a "source" if I talked directly to him, now would I? (Well, in your twisted and distorted reality, you might do something like that, but not me.)

So Mannequin shoots back a response:

quote:Originally posted by Mannequin


i'll get you plate of fried crow ready. Give him a call.

My response:

BFD - v2.0

It's already been done. Face-to-face.

08-04-2006 11:29 PM

Now, this is the next post you surely overlooked while you pondering what you might have agreed with me on in the past. (Which I don't recall you agreeing with me about anything. Perhaps it was one of your other nicks that agreed with me and you've gotten confused?)

Mannequin asks me two questions:

quote:Originally posted by Mannequin

so you talked to him face to face and asked him? lol. I dont think so. If you did, you certainly have the wrong Mr. Roberts.

My response:

BFD - v2.0

Nope. The right one.

08-04-2006 11:41 PM

Now, notice there are two answers in my response. I was answering two questions. (One question was formed as a statement in Mannequin's post)

Let me color code it for you to make it really simple.

quote:Originally posted by Mannequin

so you talked to him face to face and asked him? lol. I dont think so. If you did, you certainly have the wrong Mr. Roberts.

My response:

BFD - v2.0

Nope. The right one.

08-04-2006 11:41 PM

Now, we see when asked if I talked to Rhett Roberts face to face, I said "nope". Pretty straightforward stuff, huh?

But let's go a little bit further with this diatribe. (I haven't reached the 8000 character limit yet, so figure I might as well keep making my point...)

Now popcorn jumps in the game to share some of his wisdom. This is what popcorn had to say:

quote:Originally posted by popcorn
I will not reveal who I have spoken other than to GBI, that's a promise I made. If you're implying that it was not RR at the stop light, then your source is totally wrong. *snipped*

I snipped the entire post because I wanted to make a point. Notice how popcorn says, "then your source is totally wrong."

Popcorn realizes that I have a "source".

My response to popcorn.

BFD - v2.0


See, if you were a real investigator, you would be looking at this like a cop would: Why does an inconsistency exist?

From my point of view, I have full confidence in my source. The way I have to view it is ask myself if I've been able to independently verify and/or corroborate information from my source. So far everything has been dead-on and nothing has been inaccurate. Verified from separate and individual sources.

Then I have to ask myself if I've ever been able to verify and/or corroborate anything you've stated as being factual. I have to honestly say that nothing you've stated has been corroborated in any way whatsoever. And in fact I know you had spread misinformation earlier when I first started following this case.

So, I go with the reliable source that has proven themself over time and with independent corroboration.


08-05-2006 11:54 PM

Now, see how I'm talking about reliable sources? Wow... what a revelation. So far everything has been consistent with my very first post concerning this torrid affair.

But then Matt7:1 asks me straight out:

quote:Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Are you telling us you WENT TO OCILLA and interviewed people with others nearby as witnesses?

Just wanted to be clear.

My response (which I must admit was rather pithy)

BFD - v2.0


No. I have not been to Ocilla.

I don't need to go to Ocilla.

08-06-2006 09:45 AM

So, we've covered a 48 hour period of this and I was consistent throughout it.

Now, could you point out where the "zig" and the "zag" occurred? Obviously somewhere within your synapses. One neuron must have zigged while the other one zagged. Because there has been absolutely nothing inconsistent with what I've said.

The End.

(Audiobook version available from Bitter Pill Publishing)

I'm flattered that you went to so much trouble to try to convince me you didn't mislead with your "face to face" statement, but sorry, I stand by my original assumption. It was misleading and you took no steps to correct it at the time.

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


People are claiming it's in an email. How would Tara put the wrong name in an email (if it exists)?

And who accused popcorn of changing the headers or content of any email? I see no reason why he would want to do so. But I could understand why others might want to. Perchance the person who gave him the emails?

But, no one has said "who" the email was allegedly sent to. So how would a friend of Tara's know they were the alleged recipient? They would just assume it was another person, not them.
Maybe they'd figure out they were the recipient when the email arrived in their email box? You do have to have a recipient in order to send an email right?

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by Results
Now that is what I call a plate of fried crow!!!! Good for you BFD!

Not quite, but it was an interesting attempt all the same.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
I agree with you.

I was merely trying to ease your mind about the chain of command question you presented, e.i., that the computer hard drive contains the original and true evidence.

Thank you for that.

One of my bright as a neon sign offenders may get off on a minor charge related to his Class B felony. The reason? Someone leaked something to a witness. Who knows who leaked it. This guy's class B felony will go to trial, his misdemeanor could be in jeopardy. Hope not- he needs to get as much time as possible for what he did.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


People are claiming it's in an email. How would Tara put the wrong name in an email (if it exists)?

And who accused popcorn of changing the headers or content of any email? I see no reason why he would want to do so. But I could understand why others might want to. Perchance the person who gave him the emails?

But, no one has said "who" the email was allegedly sent to. So how would a friend of Tara's know they were the alleged recipient? They would just assume it was another person, not them.

Popcorn is the one who said the incident was related both in email form and by word of mouth directly from Tara to her friends -he mentioned Maria H. specifically, which is why I asked in my last post why anyone would mess with the emails knowing that Tara's friend(s) could say yay or nay at any given moment as to whether they ever received such an email from Tara. Below, I posted popcorn's post where he first mentioned MH's knowledge of the situation.

Also, I do see now where you did not specifically say that popcorn himself was the one altering the email headers or content of the email. But, you did suggest that maybe things were altered and you were directly responding to him. Chalking that up to one of your moments where you were saying one thing but really meaning another...Anyhow, that's neither here nor there.

So, I'm only guessing now that what you were really suggesting is that Anita or someone else that you don't like gave popcorn emails and tampered with them beforehand to include MH's name? Yes? Again, I am back to my original question. Why would someone make up an email that had Tara writing something to Maria or another one of her good friends when these people are alive, well and kicking in GA and could easily dispute whether they received any such emails from Tara?


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popcorn
Member

Registered: Mar 2006
Location:
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RR
RR knows what was told to me, tara talked about the event in her e-mails and also told her friend Maria that it was RR at the stop light that evening when MH shouted to her. I believe Tara.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


Popcorn is the one who said the incident was related both in email form and by word of mouth directly from Tara to her friends -he mentioned Maria H. specifically, which is why I asked in my last post why anyone would mess with the emails knowing that Tara's friend(s) could say yay or nay at any given moment as to whether they ever received such an email from Tara. Below, I posted popcorn's post where he first mentioned MH's knowledge of the situation.

Also, I do see now where you did not specifically say that popcorn himself was the one altering the email headers or content of the email. But, you did suggest that maybe things were altered and you were directly responding to him. Chalking that up to one of your moments where you were saying one thing but really meaning another...Anyhow, that's neither here nor there.

So, I'm only guessing now that what you were really suggesting is that Anita or someone else that you don't like gave popcorn emails and tampered with them beforehand to include MH's name? Yes? Again, I am back to my original question. Why would someone make up an email that had Tara writing something to Maria or another one of her good friends when these people are alive, well and kicking in GA and could easily dispute whether they received any such emails from Tara?


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popcorn
Member

Registered: Mar 2006
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RR
RR knows what was told to me, tara talked about the event in her e-mails and also told her friend Maria that it was RR at the stop light that evening when MH shouted to her. I believe Tara.

You're missing the point. No one has ever stated who allegedly received this email.

Popcorn states, "also told her friend Maria". In other words, Maria didn't get an email, she was told.

So, which friend is going to think it's them he (or someone else) may be lying about? They would just assume it's someone else that received an email.

For example: If I stated I gave someone on this forum $5, all you would know is that it's not you that received it. You'd just assume it was someone else that got it. And everyone else would know they didn't receive it, they'd assume someone else got it. It's a situation where no one is going to ask all the other possible recipients if they were the one. It's possibly the same thing going on with the email. The argument about her friends "knowing" is a false argument. All they would know is that they weren't the one to send it.

And yes, IF an email has been forged to implicate a problem between Marcus and Tara... and it was not of Tara's doing... then someone needs to start doing some major, heavy-duty investigating in that direction.

I'll take it a step further:
If Tara actually did write this email stating this happened, but Rhett and Marcus both deny it happened... well, what kind of person would do something like that? And what would be the purpose? Sympathy? A set-up? Attention?

This whole email thing is worrisome in my opinion. First: the veracity of the emails. Second: the methods and reasoning behind popcorn having copies.

[BevAnn]

The first and most important question in MY mind is -

WHO were these "emails" sent to?

Popcorn, please answer this question for us, for I feel the answer would then enable us to answer further questions...maybe:shrug:

[luscious]

I have talked to RR and he had no idea what I was talking about.That was months ago when I asked him.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by BevAnn
The first and most important question in MY mind is -

WHO were these "emails" sent to?

Popcorn, please answer this question for us, for I feel the answer would then enable us to answer further questions...maybe:shrug:
I certainly can't, and won't speak for Popcorn, but I wouldn't be telling who the emails went to on a public forum. Especially one like this, when the person will be immediately harrassed, picked apart and called a liar before it's over with. It's none of our business who the emails were addressed to. Only that they exist. JMHO JMHO.

[BevAnn]

You're right - it's none of our business who the phony emails went to! LMAO

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


You're missing the point. No one has ever stated who allegedly received this email.

Popcorn states, "also told her friend Maria". In other words, Maria didn't get an email, she was told.

So, which friend is going to think it's them he (or someone else) may be lying about? They would just assume it's someone else that received an email.

For example: If I stated I gave someone on this forum $5, all you would know is that it's not you that received it. You'd just assume it was someone else that got it. And everyone else would know they didn't receive it, they'd assume someone else got it. It's a situation where no one is going to ask all the other possible recipients if they were the one. It's possibly the same thing going on with the email. The argument about her friends "knowing" is a false argument. All they would know is that they weren't the one to send it.

And yes, IF an email has been forged to implicate a problem between Marcus and Tara... and it was not of Tara's doing... then someone needs to start doing some major, heavy-duty investigating in that direction.

I'll take it a step further:
If Tara actually did write this email stating this happened, but Rhett and Marcus both deny it happened... well, what kind of person would do something like that? And what would be the purpose? Sympathy? A set-up? Attention?

This whole email thing is worrisome in my opinion. First: the veracity of the emails. Second: the methods and reasoning behind popcorn having copies.

No, you are missing my point because you just want me to agree that the emails were falsified in some way or don't exist. lol

Let's pretend that we don't have emails - you still have the claim out there that Tara verbally included MH and RR in the version of events that she told to her best friend, Maria H. Either she did or she didn't describe that version of the incident to Maria H, pretty clear cut and I don't see any reason why Maria H could not substantiate such a claim if it is true. I did, however, get the impression from popcorn that Maria H was involved in both the written/email and verbal communications of that event. Maybe he will come back and clarify that. Or if Maria H comes along and says that Tara never even verbally told her that, then yes that would be another reason to question the whole story.

Also, your example of giving someone on the forum $5 is not even comparable to this situation, unless you're saying that that action on your part would turn into a statewide, nationally known investigation? lol I am not saying that the friends would talk to each other and check with each other to see whether they were the ones who had the email. Obviously, Tara had friends from different parts of her life and some of them may not even know each other. They wouldn't need to talk to each other because this is a missing person investigation where people and leads are being followed up on all the time and IF the investigators even checked into the validity of this 'yelling' story - which I'm guessing they did since we have been told that MH and RR have already answered questions in regards to this matter when asked by le - then all they'd have to do is narrow down, based on the interviews, who did and did not really receive this email from Tara.

And, yes, of course there is the possibility that she may have exaggerated details for sympathy or whatever....which would mean none of these people are lying or tampering with emails. People exaggerate tales of woe involving their exes or other people all the time and they don't necessarily go missing. Actually, if she were exaggerating or fabricating stories about someone that would give someone even more motive, imo.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by luscious
I have talked to RR and he had no idea what I was talking about.That was months ago when I asked him.

SO...he didn't even remember being interviewed face to face by BFD on this forum???

LOLOL
:lol:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


SO...he didn't even remember being interviewed face to face by BFD on this forum???

LOLOL
:lol:

I love when people are deliberately obtuse. It shows thier lack of intellect when facing superior odds.

I do believe luscious has verified exactly what I stated.

Rhett has no idea what anyone is talking about that Marcus allegedly yelled at him and Tara. In other words, he doesn't substantiate your's (and your other nick's) allegations.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I love when people are deliberately obtuse. It shows thier lack of intellect when facing superior odds.

I do believe luscious has verified exactly what I stated.

Rhett has no idea what anyone is talking about that Marcus allegedly yelled at him and Tara. In other words, he doesn't substantiate your's (and your other nick's) allegations.

As usual, eloquently said.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by concernedperson


As usual, eloquently said.

I agree. That was very eloquently said. And so well thought out too.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by HonestInjun


I agree. That was very eloquently said. And so well thought out too.

And so on point. I wish all posters would be up front and actually look for Tara. Disregard any and all postings about what anyone has said and just look for Tara.

Disregard personal boundaries and realize she had more relationships than others. All relationships should be looked at.

All areas should be looked at too. Not just Ocilla,,,,there are others. Because she is gone and others are there is even more importent. So many times it is a family member that no one could believe. So many times it is an obscure relationship that no one knew about.Sometimes it is random where a serial killer is on the horizen.

But, in any case the searches are too narrow. And way too subjective.

[crytheblues]

I agree with you, CP.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by crytheblues
I agree with you, CP.
Thank you and please post more. We need all the help we can get.

[crytheblues]

I'm scared to comment too much but I will try.

Originally posted by concernedperson

Thank you and please post more. We need all the help we can get.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by concernedperson


And so on point. I wish all posters would be up front and actually look for Tara. Disregard any and all postings about what anyone has said and just look for Tara.

Disregard personal boundaries and realize she had more relationships than others. All relationships should be looked at.

All areas should be looked at too. Not just Ocilla,,,,there are others. Because she is gone and others are there is even more importent. So many times it is a family member that no one could believe. So many times it is an obscure relationship that no one knew about.Sometimes it is random where a serial killer is on the horizen.

But, in any case the searches are too narrow. And way too subjective.

:beer: Great post, right to the point. Tara deserves to be found.

[luscious]

Anyone who is saying that RR was in a vehicle with Tara while Marcus was yelling at her is lying, has been lied to, or is spreading false rumors. It is simply not true. I am very close to him, and he was not in the vehicle. Believe this because I know.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by luscious
Anyone who is saying that RR was in a vehicle with Tara while Marcus was yelling at her is lying, has been lied to, or is spreading false rumors. It is simply not true. I am very close to him, and he was not in the vehicle. Believe this because I know. Thank you luscious, I appreciate you coming on the board to set the record straight. For some reason this story has made its rounds over and over again and many people have said it was not RR. Good to get confirmation from someone who has asked him. Can I ask you another question? I have heard varying stories of them dating, not dating, dating but not seriously, do you know if they actually were dating? If you don't want to answer on the board can you pm me? TIA

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by luscious
Anyone who is saying that RR was in a vehicle with Tara while Marcus was yelling at her is lying, has been lied to, or is spreading false rumors. It is simply not true. I am very close to him, and he was not in the vehicle. Believe this because I know.

Well if you say so, then it must be true. You might be asked for a link, just as Mannequin was asked to supply one.

Sorry, I just read your post again. You probably won't be asked for a link to hearsay.

[luscious]

I've got no problem clarifying that. They did date. It was not serious. It's like this girl led a double life,Ok. She didn't speak of other men,but he knew she was seeing other people. This didn't bother him,bc he knew this was not the woman he wanted to get into a "real" relationship with. She still had feelings for Her long time boyfriend. He knew this bc she spoke of him often.She did not want children,and he wants children. This relationship was not a big deal to start with. He happened to be one of the guys she was seeing at the time.It was not until she disappeared when things started coming out about other men, some married,some not. Most people did not know this side of her. Apparently,she kept it well hidden.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by luscious
I've got no problem clarifying that. They did date. It was not serious. It's like this girl led a double life,Ok. She didn't speak of other men,but he knew she was seeing other people. This didn't bother him,bc he knew this was not the woman he wanted to get into a "real" relationship with. She still had feelings for Her long time boyfriend. He knew this bc she spoke of him often.She did not want children,and he wants children. This relationship was not a big deal to start with. He happened to be one of the guys she was seeing at the time.It was not until she disappeared when things started coming out about other men, some married,some not. Most people did not know this side of her. Apparently,she kept it well hidden.

How long did you know Tara? Are you sure she never wanted children or just said something like, "I'm not sure I ever want kids."

No matter who she dated or what she did, she deserves to be found. :rose:

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by BroadwayJoe


I'm flattered that you went to so much trouble to try to convince me you didn't mislead with your "face to face" statement, but sorry, I stand by my original assumption. It was misleading and you took no steps to correct it at the time.

I took it the same as you, Joe. Very misleading. Seems like many people have a "source". I like just the facts. Seems like I remember it being said that RR took a lie detector test and a GBI issued one, not like one person. GBI has not cleared anyone or named a person of interest. So we must wait.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by NancynNC


I took it the same as you, Joe. Very misleading. Seems like many people have a "source". I like just the facts. Seems like I remember it being said that RR took a lie detector test and a GBI issued one, not like one person. GBI has not cleared anyone or named a person of interest. So we must wait.

Hi Nancy! :seeya:

ITA!

I also agree with you about the LDT's, and the fact no one has been ruled out as a POI in this case.

If the recent rumors about the GBI being in Ocilla are true, perhaps we will soon hear about a break in the case. For the family's sake, and all who love and care about Tara, I certainly hope so.

It's good to see you. I've been wondering about you, since I haven't seen you posting in awhile.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


How long did you know Tara? Are you sure she never wanted children or just said something like, "I'm not sure I ever want kids."

No matter who she dated or what she did, she deserves to be found. :rose:

I agree first and foremost that she needs to be found.

The issue of children is private and personal. It could be that she felt fulfilled teaching and nurturing the children she knew without the added responsibility. Although I raised two children I would have never considered another child.

With that said I spend an awful lot of time on missing,abused and murdered children. So, my regard is placed in a different area of help that I extend.

Her lifestyle could have been a transitory thing while she was getting her sea legs. Sometimes, even beautiful smart people have low self esteem. She was young and searching and someone taught her a misplaced value that you are only importent if you have a man on your sleeve. That is my opinion from what I see on the outside.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by concernedperson
The issue of children is private and personal. It could be that she felt fulfilled teaching and nurturing the children she knew without the added responsibility. Although I raised two children I would have never considered another child.

With that said I spend an awful lot of time on missing,abused and murdered children. So, my regard is placed in a different area of help that I extend.
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That's awesome that you devote so much time to helping those who can't speak for themselves. :rose:

As for the children statement allegedly made by Tara, when I was younger-I never wanted children. Lo and behold, I have 2 that I adore (and want to throttle many days) that are grown. You are right, that issue is prive and personal. I assume the poster who wrote that about Tara either knows her very well or made that up. JMO of course.

[Aussie]

Originally posted by luscious
I've got no problem clarifying that. They did date. It was not serious. It's like this girl led a double life,Ok. She didn't speak of other men,but he knew she was seeing other people. This didn't bother him,bc he knew this was not the woman he wanted to get into a "real" relationship with. She still had feelings for Her long time boyfriend. He knew this bc she spoke of him often.She did not want children,and he wants children. This relationship was not a big deal to start with. He happened to be one of the guys she was seeing at the time.It was not until she disappeared when things started coming out about other men, some married,some not. Most people did not know this side of her. Apparently,she kept it well hidden.

Finally, someone who is prepared to say it how it is. So from the above statement it is a real possibility that she was involved with someone who has slipped under the radar. People who lead a double life usually do not broadcast it in the community. As much as i believe that Tara has the right to do whatever she wanted and deserves to be found, that old saying comes to mind. If you play with fire, you might get burnt.

[crytheblues]

And where exactly is your proof for what you have stated or is this more heresay??? We would like the truth and not "our sources said." Especially the part about "other men, some married, some not." Dang it, enough of the gossip in Ocilla. State the facts....did you see this with your own eyes or not??? Saying it does not make it so......does anyone not understand this!!!


Originally posted by luscious
I've got no problem clarifying that. They did date. It was not serious. It's like this girl led a double life,Ok. She didn't speak of other men,but he knew she was seeing other people. This didn't bother him,bc he knew this was not the woman he wanted to get into a "real" relationship with. She still had feelings for Her long time boyfriend. He knew this bc she spoke of him often.She did not want children,and he wants children. This relationship was not a big deal to start with. He happened to be one of the guys she was seeing at the time.It was not until she disappeared when things started coming out about other men, some married,some not. Most people did not know this side of her. Apparently,she kept it well hidden.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by crytheblues
And where exactly is your proof for what you have stated or is this more heresay??? We would like the truth and not "our sources said." Especially the part about "other men, some married, some not." Dang it, enough of the gossip in Ocilla. State the facts....did you see this with your own eyes or not??? Saying it does not make it so......does anyone not understand this!!!

Gossip often has a little morsel of truth in it, but it's often harmful.

I understand and agree that if someone states a fact, they need to be clear as to their source.

[mooloo]

This makes sense. RR was not serious about Tara. More of a friendly relationship. They did not "match" to those who knew both.



Originally posted by luscious
I've got no problem clarifying that. They did date. It was not serious. It's like this girl led a double life,Ok. She didn't speak of other men,but he knew she was seeing other people. This didn't bother him,bc he knew this was not the woman he wanted to get into a "real" relationship with. She still had feelings for Her long time boyfriend. He knew this bc she spoke of him often.She did not want children,and he wants children. This relationship was not a big deal to start with. He happened to be one of the guys she was seeing at the time.It was not until she disappeared when things started coming out about other men, some married,some not. Most people did not know this side of her. Apparently,she kept it well hidden.

[balaney]

Let's assume love took over here for a second. If Tara had invested six years in MH and if by some chance it was a controlling rather dysfunctional relationship (looking at her history as a child and her family life she is a perfect candidate for a co-dependant relationship)...people do strange things when they are infatuated. If what MH has been stating is true - that she did not want to break up and was "fragile", she would be capable of doing odd things. Still pumped from a big day and lots of excitement, possibly she received a call from a friend who was at the same bar as MH. Possibly this was an informant to Tara - someone who said something like "get over here right away M is here and flirting with someone" or maybe "MH is here if you want to see him!". Maybe she quickly changed. I do not think she was yet ready for bed as she probably would have taken off her earrings first so they would not catch on anything. She changes clothes, jumps in the car and heads to the bar. There is a confrontation in the parking lot between her and MH. Or possibly they pass on the road and pull over to "talk". Maybe Tara had too much to drink that evening and was not acting as responsibly as she should? Lots of maybes just thinking.
Dysfunctional relationships have to be looked at through a different set of eyes. Anyone who has never been in or seen one does not understand and can not comprehend. Dysfunctional people do not act or think normally. They are impulsive and the love they have is an addiction. Much like a drug. They are sure they will die without the love. The thought of the other person causes them to react just as a drug addict would. Just a simiple chemical reaction in the brain. That reaction causes "normal" people to behave in abnormal ways. Just a thought - maybe Tara was more active that evening than anyone thinks. Maybe someone did not come stalking her but she went looking for someone.

[concernedperson]

Interesting post, Balaney. She could have gone out on her own and ran into trouble. The car returning to her home would indicate someone had help. If so, that would be a weak link. Since it is 9 months and nothing...I tend to look in other directions.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Interesting post, Balaney. She could have gone out on her own and ran into trouble. The car returning to her home would indicate someone had help. If so, that would be a weak link. Since it is 9 months and nothing...I tend to look in other directions.

At this point, I'd hope LE is moving in other directions. Anything to find Tara.

[luscious]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


Gossip often has a little morsel of truth in it, but it's often harmful.

I understand and agree that if someone states a fact, they need to be clear as to their source.

Did I mention even once that "I HEARD" OR " SOMEONE TOLD ME"?No, you people want facts, and when you are given some, you put it off as hearsay. This came straight from RR mouth to my ears. It is the most concrete explaination of this inquiry in the ENTIRE WORLD! If that is not enough, then that is your problem. I do not condone talking about personal things. But,when names are brought up, and when accusations of other people are brought up, why can't truthful info. about Tara be brought up? It can. So get used to it.

[luscious]

Originally posted by crytheblues
And where exactly is your proof for what you have stated or is this more heresay??? We would like the truth and not "our sources said." Especially the part about "other men, some married, some not." Dang it, enough of the gossip in Ocilla. State the facts....did you see this with your own eyes or not??? Saying it does not make it so......does anyone not understand this!!!



My earlier post was meant for you

[luscious]

Originally posted by concernedperson


I agree first and foremost that she needs to be found.

The issue of children is private and personal. It could be that she felt fulfilled teaching and nurturing the children she knew without the added responsibility. Although I raised two children I would have never considered another child.

With that said I spend an awful lot of time on missing,abused and murdered children. So, my regard is placed in a different area of help that I extend.

Her lifestyle could have been a transitory thing while she was getting her sea legs. Sometimes, even beautiful smart people have low self esteem. She was young and searching and someone taught her a misplaced value that you are only importent if you have a man on your sleeve. That is my opinion from what I see on the outside.

You last paragraph hit the nail on the head

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by luscious


You last paragraph hit the nail on the head

Why?

Do you know Tara and how she was raised?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Results


I want to thank you for giving us information from the horses mouth. Please don't think that I am one of the persons from your post about when we get facts we take it as hearsay because trust me I am not. You heard this straight from RR and you took the time to post to let us know the truth. Some of these posters in my opinion are not happy because they seem to want to discredit BFD for some reason. I do BELIEVE you and I do believe BFD too! Once again thank you very much for your information and now I can put the rumor of MH yelling at RR & Tara at a stop light as a lie. Makes me wonder who started this rumor and what the agenda behind it was. If you have to start a lie to try to convince people that MH had something to do with Tara's disappearance then I have to assume that it is either they believe MH did it and will stoop as low as they have to go to try to prove their theory to us or they just don't care or give a darn about who gets hurt in this crossfire as long as it serves their purpose which leads to another possiblity that whoever is spreading this rumor or lie what they are trying to coverup themselves. I don't know why anyone would want to tell lies on anyone in this case since it actually hurts the investigation and is a way to take us away from the quest in finding Tara. JMHO

It may not be an outright lie.

I think it's very possible Tara did tell someone that. But that she was lying about the incident for some unknown reason.

If there is an email that exists with this information and Rhett Roberts does not corroborate it; it has to make people wonder why Tara would do that. And if she is capable of lying for manipulative purposes, what else is she capable of doing for manipulative purposes? Perhaps up and disappearing?

[chambord]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Why?

Do you know Tara and how she was raised?


Paula


CC is discussing Tara now..fwiw.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by chambord



Paula


CC is discussing Tara now..fwiw.

Thanks, Cham!

I watched it. It confirmed what I already knew.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Thanks, Cham!

I watched it. It confirmed what I already knew.

Would you share the contents of the show for some of us who were at work when it aired? TIA.

[cbcrime]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Thanks, Cham!

I watched it. It confirmed what I already knew.


I thought it confirmed what everyone already knew.

[kelloggirl]

A quick recap of the Catherine Crier Live show - interview with Anita Gattis (via phone) and Dr. Godwin (on video).

First up: Anita
Catherine asked if there were any new clues, new suspects. Anita says something about there being 2 main suspects (I may not have caught this exactly, she may not have used the word "suspect")
AG says that the former student took a GBI-issued polygraph and passed
AG says that ex-boyfriend did not take GBI issued lie-detector test
CC asks, "But the ex-boyfriend has made himself available to both LE and the media, doing interviews..."
AG says to her knowledge, the ex has only done 2 interviews
Some questions about the clues at the house
AG says they went back to the house to do a search recently because the house was going to be rented out
AG says they brought cadaver dogs in to search the entire house, and that the dogs "showed interest" in Tara's bedroom, and that they "showed interest" when they went around her bedroom furniture once it had been packed up in the moving van
CC asks "What does that mean, that the dogs showed interest?"
AG says that the dogs did not alert but that the handlers used those specific words, "the dogs showed interest"
CC asks does AG think that means anything?
AG says she doesn't know, the house is an older house, it's possible that something in the slats in the floorboard caught their attention
CC asked to what extent did cops tear up TG house on the initial searches
AG says they did the following:
- Fingerprints everywhere
- Removed some items, bed coverings or linens
- Luminoled house extensively, AG says "HEAVILY" - didn't find anything

Dr. Godwin portion of interview:
CC recaps clues - the old clues - the "lamp leaning against wall, the clock that is 6 hours off, the car that has the seat moved back"
- Dr. G says that GBI is hot on case, that this is in GBI's NUMBER ONE CASE! (Ed. Note: Oh, really? That is kind of surprising.)
- Dr. G says GBI has suspect in mind, but DNA doesn't match anyone's
- CC asks where that DNA was taken from? Latex glove? Dr. G says he can't reveal what the source of that DNA was.
- CC asks about her keys missing, her purse was missing, and the driver's seat being pushed back to accommodate taller person than TG - what can you draw from this?
- Dr. G says that the neighbor may have contributed to the adjustment, can't really say that that was a clue, could be irrelevant
- Dr. G says her room was not really searched in the first passthrough by LE, for example, Tara's rug beside the bed was clearly never lifted because it was still taped down to the floor, there was a box of photos under her bed that was obviously never searched or moved when GBI went through stuff, because it still had a thick layer of dust on it.
- CC says hope they gather all this stuff up and stay on the case, and it gets solved.

This was just from the quick notes I made while watching, so feel free to correct anything I misinterpreted or missed. I still have it on my DVR as well if someone has more specific questions.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by cbcrime



I thought it confirmed what everyone already knew.

I don't think so, as some believe certain people have ironclad alilbis, and are no longer considered POI's.

[crytheblues]

If a private poly is done who mandates what questions will be asked??

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by balaney
Let's assume love took over here for a second. If Tara had invested six years in MH and if by some chance it was a controlling rather dysfunctional relationship (looking at her history as a child and her family life she is a perfect candidate for a co-dependant relationship)...people do strange things when they are infatuated. If what MH has been stating is true - that she did not want to break up and was "fragile", she would be capable of doing odd things. Still pumped from a big day and lots of excitement, possibly she received a call from a friend who was at the same bar as MH. Possibly this was an informant to Tara - someone who said something like "get over here right away M is here and flirting with someone" or maybe "MH is here if you want to see him!". Maybe she quickly changed. I do not think she was yet ready for bed as she probably would have taken off her earrings first so they would not catch on anything. She changes clothes, jumps in the car and heads to the bar. There is a confrontation in the parking lot between her and MH. Or possibly they pass on the road and pull over to "talk". Maybe Tara had too much to drink that evening and was not acting as responsibly as she should? Lots of maybes just thinking.
Dysfunctional relationships have to be looked at through a different set of eyes. Anyone who has never been in or seen one does not understand and can not comprehend. Dysfunctional people do not act or think normally. They are impulsive and the love they have is an addiction. Much like a drug. They are sure they will die without the love. The thought of the other person causes them to react just as a drug addict would. Just a simiple chemical reaction in the brain. That reaction causes "normal" people to behave in abnormal ways. Just a thought - maybe Tara was more active that evening than anyone thinks. Maybe someone did not come stalking her but she went looking for someone.
This is a very interesting post. First, you "almost" name names, but do not actually imply who you are talking about, though it is fairly obvious from the other details you have given. Second, the last part vaguely implies that Tara is to blame for whatever happened to her based on her actions, i.e. "dysfunctional people do not act of think normally. They are impulsive...." and "...maybe someone didn't come stalking her but she went looking for someone." No offense, but it is almost as if you know quite a bit, but want to shift the blame; OR you are incredibly intuitive; OR this post is all my imagination and/or a dream. Again, no offense, if your post is just a coincidence, but I am intrigued all the same.
:confused:

[kundalini]

I do not believe there is blame directed at anyone but just a different approach/view as to what may have happened that evening. Most posters lean toward an abduction from her home. A fresh thought that possibly she left her house before anything happened. We have been looking at this with the idea that someone else initiated the first move. Possibly Tara made the first move - away from her safe home. This does not mean she is to blame. What it does mean is that there is a need to look at the scenerio in a different perspective. That she may have been alone, drove someplace to either meet someone (already planned) or to check up on someone and ran into foul play. Yes, love can make one do stupid things - such as leave the comfort of your home or bed in the middle of the night.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by kundalini
I do not believe there is blame directed at anyone but just a different approach/view as to what may have happened that evening. Most posters lean toward an abduction from her home. A fresh thought that possibly she left her house before anything happened. We have been looking at this with the idea that someone else initiated the first move. Possibly Tara made the first move - away from her safe home. This does not mean she is to blame. What it does mean is that there is a need to look at the scenerio in a different perspective. That she may have been alone, drove someplace to either meet someone (already planned) or to check up on someone and ran into foul play. Yes, love can make one do stupid things - such as leave the comfort of your home or bed in the middle of the night.

That's a perspective to consider. It is quite plausible that Tara left her home to meet with someone she knew.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by kundalini
I do not believe there is blame directed at anyone but just a different approach/view as to what may have happened that evening. Most posters lean toward an abduction from her home. A fresh thought that possibly she left her house before anything happened. We have been looking at this with the idea that someone else initiated the first move. Possibly Tara made the first move - away from her safe home. This does not mean she is to blame. What it does mean is that there is a need to look at the scenerio in a different perspective. That she may have been alone, drove someplace to either meet someone (already planned) or to check up on someone and ran into foul play. Yes, love can make one do stupid things - such as leave the comfort of your home or bed in the middle of the night.

So what are your intuitive thoughts regarding a scenario like this?

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


That's a perspective to consider. It is quite plausible that Tara left her home to meet with someone she knew.

This line of conversation is reminding me of the phone left in the bathroom. Maybe Tara wasn't using the phone but waiting for it to ring while freshening up. It could also indicate she was leaving to meet someone or they were picking her up.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by readmylips


Why does a logical conclusion need an intuitive thought applied to it? It looked like a logical thought process to me and I have wondered from the start if maybe she left to go meet someone.

Oh hello again, and welcome back. I think you misunderstood what I said. I only "asked" if this poster had an intuitive thought connected to that scenario, because I was interested to know. In the past, I believe she HAS had intuitive thoughts, and I was interested if she had one along these lines. I didn't say it was "required" did I? Just so you'll know, I am not discounting the idea that she may have left to go meet with someone. In fact, I've thought that all along. So I guess I'm about as logical as the next guy then. And I DON'T discount intuitive thoughts either, because I think they are very important.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams


Gossip often has a little morsel of truth in it, but it's often harmful.

I understand and agree that if someone states a fact, they need to be clear as to their source.

WHO AM I ??

I have no respect for justice.
I maim without killing.
I break hearts and ruin lives.
I am cunning and malicious and gather strength with age.
The more I am quoted, the more I am believed.
I flourish at every level of society.
My victims are helpless; they cannot protect themselves against me because I have no name and no face.
To track me down is impossible.
The harder you try, the more elusive I become.
I am nobody's friend.
Once I tarnish a reputation, it is never the same.
I topple governments and ruin marriages. I end ministries set up by God.
I ruin careers and cause sleepless nights, heartache and indigestion.
I spawn suspicion and generate grief.
I make headlines, headaches and heartaches.
I make innocent people cry in their pillows.
Even my name hisses.
I am GOSSIP.

(Author Unknown)

[crytheblues]

Now there is a post that sums up this whole board---GOSSIP.

[crytheblues]

eeegaaaddsss!!!! Mirror, mirror on the wall, you is the blackest kettle or pot of them all!!!!

Is anyone else as tired of this as I am??

I have more important things to do with my time and it aint reading this garbage!! This junk is for kindergarten kids. Enough of the insane "nanna-nanna-boo-boo" crap.

Tara was so above all of this from what I have read about her.

PLEASE get back on topic or shut the heck up!!!!!!!!



Originally posted by readmylips
lots of kettles calling the pot black i see lol

double standard?

big difference between questions and gossip. sometimes the truth hurts and a lot of what you guys are calling gossip are painful truths. i would think Tara would not care if some dirty laundry aired out if it meant finding her. i wouldn't care if i were her. there are some people who care about that dirty laundry but i can bet you it aint Tara.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by readmylips


why do you subject yourself to it then?

from what you have read about her?????????????? you think you know a person from what you have read about them???????? really!!??? wow!

i dont know her from sam and i dont know or care what she was above or below but i do know whe needs to be found. when some truthful information is given by those who hold the key maybe that will happen.

heres another good one for you: if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen

it is what it is and it aint pretty no matter how you look at it

so back to the topic (which got derailed by you and injun with your tribute to gossip)

In case you forgot: the topic of this thread is The Men In The Case

Who is Sam? Is he one of the men in this case? I must have missed that one, so I"ll read back a little I guess.

[HonestInjun]

I don't know, maybe you should read back since you're a brand new poster, and get up to speed on the case first. Also, the moderators move the threads around a lot from one place to another so that's probably another reason you're confused.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by readmylips


get over it

i have read all i need to read to understand exactly what is going on here. it doesnt take a rocket scientist

im not at all confused.

Yes, I agree. I does not take a rocket scientist to understand what is going on. Someone is tidying up a bit I think.

[HonestInjun]

Originally posted by HonestInjun
I don't know, maybe you should read back since you're a brand new poster, and get up to speed on the case first. Also, the moderators move the threads around a lot from one place to another so that's probably another reason you're confused.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by joanne
What do you think will happen if it turns out that (minus the lying about the fake crime committed against her) tara has simply run away too. That is the way the LE, GBI, and recovery agent are looking at this. She won't be brought against any charges because it is not illegal to run away, but I am wondering how awful it will be for any other woman who actually does go missing. IMO the new reports that she has been sighted recently are definately something to think about.

Does anyone know who and what a recovery agent is?

[BroadwayJoe]

Originally posted by msmith1
Has anyone ever thought that the pot "busts" that were made by LE prior to Tara missing might have included people that knew Tara personally. Perhaps they were students she had taught in years prior. She have even gone to school with the "locals" . I'm sure that the raids ruined some lives and there were probably those that wished to "seek revenge". Tara was a known friend to several LE that were involved with the raids....Seems I remember that some of those that were "rounded" up were quite young. May have been a way of getting to LE by going through Tara. Just my opinion and not intended to rehash something that may have been discussed long ago.
I think many have considered this angle, and that someone might have wanted revenge on Tara if she had turned someone in, etc., but I don't know if it was ever explored in depth.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Does anyone know who and what a recovery agent is?

Wasn't it Trackers Global hired by the family? Another name for a private investigator. Maybe a rercovery agent isn't licensed like a PI. I really don't know as I am not familiar with using them.

[BroadwayJoe]

I think a recovery agent must be licensed as well. If you google that information you could probably answer your questions. Also, I'm sure could learn more about that by using the links at missingtara.com also.

[concernedperson]

A recovery agent is a bounty hunter according to this article. Some States require licensing others don't. So, I case the main difference is a recovery agent can be paid by a bails bondsman and primarily works with criminals who fail to show up for court.

Oops, My link won't work. Just google recovery agent and its the first article.

[fsbiii]

This site is linked from missingtara.com

http://www.pittmanrecovery.com

"Pittman Recovery offers Bounty Hunter and Bail Enforcement Services. We are located in Middle Georgia but can help you anywhere. We will use every available resource in order to locate and return defendants."

They also have a missing persons link on their page, and Tara Grinstead is the sole missing person case listed on that page.

This is the other 'recovery agent' that has been mentioned in the past:

http://www.trackersglobal.com

"Trackers Global is a non-profit organization dedicated to aid families in the location and return of missing loved ones."

Tara Grinstead is also this entity's sole missing person case as linked thru 'missing persons' on the website.

Originally posted by simply quiet


Does anyone know who and what a recovery agent is?

[TuscanDreams]

Got a question about the Recovery Agent.

I understand how a bondsman makes money. How's a recovery agent get paid?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by TuscanDreams
Got a question about the Recovery Agent.

I understand how a bondsman makes money. How's a recovery agent get paid?

From what I've read, a recovery agent doesn't get paid unless he finds the person who skipped bail.

IMO

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


It may not be an outright lie.

I think it's very possible Tara did tell someone that. But that she was lying about the incident for some unknown reason.

If there is an email that exists with this information and Rhett Roberts does not corroborate it; it has to make people wonder why Tara would do that. And if she is capable of lying for manipulative purposes, what else is she capable of doing for manipulative purposes? Perhaps up and disappearing?

Well, this is one point that we ended up agreeing on, though we got to the point from different angles on that other Jim Perry thread. That is why I said that even if RR wasn't a part of the event, it doesn't mean that popcorn, Maria H or someone else doesn't have an email (from Tara) saying such things about MH.

However, I disagree that it's an indication of her ability to lie about anything and everything. I think rather it speaks to her obsession with the MH relationship and wanting to come up with reasons for why she had anything to do with MH. It's possible that Maria H and maybe some of her other friends wondered why she was even still caught up with MH. I'm sure they tried to understand, knowing the length of the relationship and how heartbroken she was. But, there comes a time when most friends break it down and tell you that it's time to cut off all ties, especially friends who are married w/ children (such as Maria H) will be the first to cut through any of the dating relationship bs.

So, that's why I wonder whether Tara thought up the whole situation in order to use it as an explanation for why she still had reason to rant about MH or to bring him up in conversation at all. This incident was alleged to have taken place in April 2005, right? Wasn't that the same time that he was back in town, on leave, and she was reportedly upset that he had not contacted her to let her know that he was back home?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


Well, this is one point that we ended up agreeing on, though we got to the point from different angles on that other Jim Perry thread. That is why I said that even if RR wasn't a part of the event, it doesn't mean that popcorn, Maria H or someone else doesn't have an email (from Tara) saying such things about MH.

However, I disagree that it's an indication of her ability to lie about anything and everything. I think rather it speaks to her obsession with the MH relationship and wanting to come up with reasons for why she had anything to do with MH. It's possible that Maria H and maybe some of her other friends wondered why she was even still caught up with MH. I'm sure they tried to understand, knowing the length of the relationship and how heartbroken she was. But, there comes a time when most friends break it down and tell you that it's time to cut off all ties, especially friends who are married w/ children (such as Maria H) will be the first to cut through any of the dating relationship bs.

So, that's why I wonder whether Tara thought up the whole situation in order to use it as an explanation for why she still had reason to rant about MH or to bring him up in conversation at all. This incident was alleged to have taken place in April 2005, right? Wasn't that the same time that he was back in town, on leave, and she was reportedly upset that he had not contacted her to let her know that he was back home?

If this event did not occur and Tara told people it did, she did so for manipulative purposes. All lies are for manipulative purposes. Whether it be to manipulate another or to manipulate themself.

From what I've heard about Tara from different people, it is my opinion she is very manipulative and cunning.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


If this event did not occur and Tara told people it did, she did so for manipulative purposes. All lies are for manipulative purposes. Whether it be to manipulate another or to manipulate themself.

From what I've heard about Tara from different people, it is my opinion she is very manipulative and cunning.
With that being said it is also possible she was on the rebound and seeking other relationships to fill a void. I am not disparaging a victim I am pointing out life's stages of progression and maturity.

I will also be the first to tell you the person that was me in my 30's is not the same person in my 50's. We all take risk and pay for this in some way but never expect to pay with our lives.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by concernedperson
With that being said it is also possible she was on the rebound and seeking other relationships to fill a void. I am not disparaging a victim I am pointing out life's stages of progression and maturity.

I will also be the first to tell you the person that was me in my 30's is not the same person in my 50's. We all take risk and pay for this in some way but never expect to pay with our lives.

If not for the grace of God, I could be in Tara's shoes. Heck, we all could! Good point. IF Tara was having an affair with a married guy, she still deserves justice.

[jond]

I agree that HD will be an important part of the puzzle. IMO, and whatever their relationship, HD did not harm TG. I would bet HD is working hard on this behind the scenes. Results, you did not make the insinuaton, so don't take it this way....The Ga and Gr would not shield HD if they had any thought he had harmed TG. I don't know who is stopping any talk of HD, I just don't think there is anything to say at this time that hasn't been said.

[msmith1]

I'm with Results...what is the door #6 reference?

[fsbiii]

I believe "jond" coined the "Door #6" reference as being an individual POI who has been totally off the radar, i.e., not any one of the main people being discussed (Harper, Gattis, HD, Vickers, etc.). If memory serves me correctly, jond has said that he thinks the answer to all of this is something simple and not overly dramatic as has been theorized in so many different ways.

He might be right. He might not be. IMO, the running theme of this whole thing is still "No One Knows."

Originally posted by msmith1
I'm with Results...what is the door #6 reference?

[fsbiii]

I believe 'msmith1' brought this topic up in another thread, but it fits under the 'Door #6' topic IMO. Guys that Tara went to grad school classes with: any info on them?

I am aware of at least 1 guy in Lowndes County who was questioned and either had a relationship w/Tara or wanted to have one. Does anyone know of any others? Someone Tara may have set up a late night meeting with, maybe by seeing them during the week before? Maybe no phone or email trace to show the identity of this guy?

Door #6 needs to be explored.

[concernedperson]

We know Tara was involved in many things and that she was a talent herself. Does anyone know what kind of music she was most interested in and did she like to go to concerts and the like?

[concernedperson]

Not only am I a thread killer but it looks like a board killer too.No posts since 8 am this morning. This is not normal.

[grandline]

Hi CP! :seeya:

I recall reading that Tara liked Bon Jovi, so perhaps she was a fan of rock music.

There was a thread on TT a while back (I'll dig it up for you if you would like) where we discussed Tara's hobbies and possible cultural events or hobbies she might have been into, like the Renaissance Faire. Maybe we could revive that and see if anyone has anything new to contribute. :beer:

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by grandline
Hi CP! :seeya:

I recall reading that Tara liked Bon Jovi, so perhaps she was a fan of rock music.

There was a thread on TT a while back (I'll dig it up for you if you would like) where we discussed Tara's hobbies and possible cultural events or hobbies she might have been into, like the Renaissance Faire. Maybe we could revive that and see if anyone has anything new to contribute. :beer:

This would be good. I do have a method to my madness.But it isn't concrete.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
"Doesn't look like anyone is posting over there anymore. I think Mama G got it done They all must be banned or moved on to something else, like life."

"No chance!! They may be watching HBO, but they haven't given up. All they have to do is join under new user names."

Angels Astray
ahiredpi
OliverTwist




?

[Babes]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I believe 'msmith1' brought this topic up in another thread, but it fits under the 'Door #6' topic IMO. Guys that Tara went to grad school classes with: any info on them?

I am aware of at least 1 guy in Lowndes County who was questioned and either had a relationship w/Tara or wanted to have one. Does anyone know of any others? Someone Tara may have set up a late night meeting with, maybe by seeing them during the week before? Maybe no phone or email trace to show the identity of this guy?

Door #6 needs to be explored.

Hi FSBII


Could door #6 posting on this message board? Hmmmm or the other boards for Tara? Who knows....:D

[Babes]

Originally posted by Pedro
http://letsfindtara.proboards79.com/index.cgi

Nah that board is controlled by ... what's his name? Merongovian ( Pardon for my spelling i cant remember his name anymore ).....I dont like his attitude as a moderator. CTV moderators are way better than him...I rather go to talktara.com than to that board of yours Pedro.. :rolleyes:

[Babes]

Originally posted by Pedro
not pedros board. just find link for you.

OIC... am not referring to that lousy board.

TY :D

[georgiapeach29]

I have read on a lot of different boards about her ex-boyfriend, MH and some posters seem to feel very strongly that he knew something or had something to do with her disappearence. why?

[simply quiet]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by georgiapeach29
I have read on a lot of different boards about her ex-boyfriend, MH and some posters seem to feel very strongly that he knew something or had something to do with her disappearence. why? [/QUOTE

That is a very good question. WHY?

IMO He has no motive to harm TG. He is not the scorned lover.

He also was not the most recent boyfriend.

:shrug:

[Its just me]

Originally posted by simply quiet
[QUOTE]Originally posted by georgiapeach29
I have read on a lot of different boards about her ex-boyfriend, MH and some posters seem to feel very strongly that he knew something or had something to do with her disappearence. why? [/QUOTE

That is a very good question. WHY?

IMO He has no motive to harm TG. He is not the scorned lover.

He also was not the most recent boyfriend.

:shrug:

No I don't think he was a recent boyfriend I'm not sure when the break up was but appears that they had not gotten back together after he came home from Iraq. We have information Tara possibly dated AV, RR HD and LG failed the LD test about an relationship with Tara and in a public article some place LG stated something about AG catching them about 2 weeks before Tara disappeared. May be also in the Harriett article. Interesting if LG is stating facts.

[butterbean]

Originally posted by Its just me


No I don't think he was a recent boyfriend I'm not sure when the break up was but appears that they had not gotten back together after he came home from Iraq. We have information Tara possibly dated AV, RR HD and LG failed the LD test about an relationship with Tara and in a public article some place LG stated something about AG catching them about 2 weeks before Tara disappeared. May be also in the Harriett article. Interesting if LG is stating facts.
I think you are mistaken. The interview does not imply that LG was a boyfriend. In fact the point of the interview is to dispute the fact LG was a boyfriend. I think this is the interview that you are referring:
LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD'S BROTHER-IN-LAW: They asked me a lot of questions. I don't believe they ever asked me if I had hurt Tara or done anything to her. Mainly they were interested in my history, my medical history, Tara's personal medical history. They were interested in rumors that they had heard and about some sort of inappropriate affair I had had with Tara supposedly.
This was not the first time I had been confronted about this ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182784,00.html

[Its just me]

Originally posted by butterbean

I think you are mistaken. The interview does not imply that LG was a boyfriend. In fact the point of the interview is to dispute the fact LG was a boyfriend. I think this is the interview that you are referring:
LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD'S BROTHER-IN-LAW: They asked me a lot of questions. I don't believe they ever asked me if I had hurt Tara or done anything to her. Mainly they were interested in my history, my medical history, Tara's personal medical history. They were interested in rumors that they had heard and about some sort of inappropriate affair I had had with Tara supposedly.
This was not the first time I had been confronted about this ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182784,00.html

Quote from ItsJustMe: LG failed the LD test about an relationship with Tara and in a public article some place LG stated something about AG catching them about 2 weeks before Tara disappeared. May be also in the Harriett article. Interesting if LG is stating facts.

I disagee with you thought that I am not correct. LG stated in public that he failed the part of the LD test about him having a relationship with Tara. I did not say he was a boy friend only he failed the test. (Not my words but LG's) So I am going by what the LD revealed that was told by LG himself. Maybe a relationship is not a boy friend but it's pretty dang close in my book. But we each are entitled to our own opinion. This is not the article I am speaking about and I do not have the link but will search for the one by Harriett. I'm not good at keeping notes but my memory is pretty good but I also make mistakes and if I've make a mistake I don't mind correcting them but for now I stand on what I posted. Also notice at the end I added "if" LG is stating facts so I'm not moving an inch on my post until more information is available that refutes what I posted.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
LARRY GATTIS: Yes, and what made it really obvious is the fact that part of their accusation was the fact that Anita had caught us twice, supposedly a week before she disappeared, and I had been asked about this on numerous, numerous of occasions....

(larryHARRIET interview)



Thank you again IrwinIndian for having this information.

{{and I had been asked about this on numerous, numerous of occasions....}}

Well at least I know more that me have wondered about LG being caught by AG.

If my memory serves me correct he never denied this but beat around the bush. Never said "This did not happen" stand to be corrected.... working on memory and asking for help if I am wrong.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
LARRY GATTIS: I worked that entire weekend, at the hospital, and your not allowed to get, 15 minutes away from the hospital, it’s a hospital policy. I was in and out all weekend. The time I was not at the hospital, I was with Anita and Gibe (Anita and Larry's son) at home, and I'm sure they've looked into that. If I was going to pick a weekend to do something terrible, I sure wouldn't pick a weekend I was on call.

(larryHARRIET interview)

This implies that LG's alibi is actually the hospital and his wife/home (and I presume her alibi is LG).

I had wondered about the being on call at the hospital and a person who lives in Hawkinsville ask her doctor about how things worked at the hospital. The opinion I got was LG do not have an airtight alibi with being on call at the hospital. MHOO Having AG as his alibi means nothing to me because of her history of the inconsistencies she has stated through this case. I'm sorry folks but I'm not sure I would believe her if she was under oath. JMHOO

[mooloo]

I've asked this before "part of their accusation was THE FACT THAT ANITA HAD CAUGHT US twice, supposedly. . . . ." ...so...was it a FACT that Anita had caught them...and she caught them supposedly a week before Tara disappeared? "numerous of occasions" = a number of occasions?


Originally posted by IrwinIndian
LARRY GATTIS: Yes, and what made it really obvious is the fact that part of their accusation was the fact that Anita had caught us twice, supposedly a week before she disappeared, and I had been asked about this on numerous, numerous of occasions....

(larryHARRIET interview)

[Its just me]

Originally posted by mooloo
I've asked this before "part of their accusation was THE FACT THAT ANITA HAD CAUGHT US twice, supposedly. . . . ." ...so...was it a FACT that Anita had caught them...and she caught them supposedly a week before Tara disappeared? "numerous of occasions" = a number of occasions?




Moo, LG does use the words "was THE FACT THAT ANITA HAD CAUGHT US twice, supposedly." He added supposedly but that is what I am calling beating around the bush with a denial that this happened. Never a point blank denial to my knowledge. And the fact he said he had been asked about AG catching him with Tara by numerous people just raises a red flag to me. Words from the horses mouth I take fairly serious. MHOO

Numerous....... from World Book dictionary

1. very many; of great numbers
2. in great numbers; consisisting of many; plentiful

I consider LG to be educated and his use of the word numerous means....just what it means.....Many had asked him about this before the interview with Harriett. Rumor was flying around Hawkinsville early on for some reason. This had not hit the Ocilla area until the interview with Harriett to my knowledge. To any who do not know... LG lives in Hawkinsville.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


This may sound contrite but I posted it once before. LG stated that if AG caught him with his SIL he'd be pushing up daisies............

Also, what does it mean when he says you're not allowed 15 minutes away from the hospital, it's policy, yet he goes on to say he was in and out all weekend? IMO, those are contradictory statements. It also makes me think back to a post about AG, LG and HD all arriving at the OPD together. Just what the heck is going on with these three? IMO, something stinks in Ocilla.

IMO and MOO and JMHO and no offense intended.

I just have questions and pray the GBI has answers and hoping for FBI involvement after your letter to Mr. Kingland and my letter also. :) But I forgot to ask if anyone at the office knows Pedro :D

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by barry9120


The pall of suspicion always falls upon those closest to the person who is missing under these circumstances, IMO. It has been posted that TG and MH had a sometimes volatile relationship, with a series of on-again, off-again times. TG broke off the relationship in Oct 04 because she wanted marriage, MH did not. However, TG had a change of heart and wanted to resume the relationship according to MH in his GVS interview. There were a series of events in the weeks and days leading up to TG's disappearance that would indicate she was an emotional wrect and that, perhaps, it had to do with the end of the relationship with MH, IMO.

One school of thought is that MH did something to TG and she will not be coming back. His alibi is rock-solid, which also causes some to be suspicious. Another school of thought is that someone else in TG's life did something. And yet another, that TG left of her own accord.

There was no indication of foul play in her home and the GBI, the lead investigative agency on this case, still has it classified as a missing persons case, not even missing endangered.

IMO and MOO and JMHO no offense intended.

It seems like she would'nt be so distressed over breaking up with MH in Oct. 05 if they broke up in Oct. of 04. Thats plenty of time to move on -imo

[georgiapeach29]

Why would the girls parent's care if they dated? Was she a lot younger than him or something? How old is he?

[grandline]

I don't find it hard to believe that Tara could still be hurting and mourning the loss of the relationship with MH 1 year later. If this is the man she wanted to marry and spend the rest of her life with, then I don't think she could just get rid of 5 years worth of dreams, feelings and emotions so quickly.

She was a very busy woman with a full schedule to juggle. Perhaps she did not have the time to grieve properly and kept bottling it up since she had to keep her head up and keep moving forward with her activities.

There are many women who have bad breakups and take years to get over it. Not saying this was Tara, but if MH initiated the breakup and she was not ready for it it could have really threw her for a loop and shook the foundation she was building for herself (plans for marrying and starting a family, etc). Just a possible theory and MHO.



:patriot: For Tara!

[Its just me]

A news article quoted CG, Tara's stepmom soon after Tara disappeared and it has stayed in the back of my mind and gave me a small picture of what Tara may have been like before she disappeared. We all know Tara or think we know that Tara was on an emotional roller coaster before Oct. 2005 but CG stated that Tara seemed to be concentrating on her education and talked less about having babies. To me Tara's stepmom was saying she saw signs that Tara was moving forward with her life in a positive way. This is not a quote but is basically what I got out of the article that quoted CG. I'm not going any deeper with this with out giving it more thought.

[cbcrime]

I remember that comment. I wonder if it hadn't finally sunk in to Tara that it was over with MH. And maybe she was making a concerted effort to redirect her life. I'm sure that she still had feelings and down time about MH but maybe she had started the road to recovering from that relationship. I hope so.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by cbcrime
I remember that comment. I wonder if it hadn't finally sunk in to Tara that it was over with MH. And maybe she was making a concerted effort to redirect her life. I'm sure that she still had feelings and down time about MH but maybe she had started the road to recovering from that relationship. I hope so.

CB..This not a rumor or the thinking of a poster who never knew Tara...This information is from a person who knew Tara well and was a part of Tara's life as a stepmother. People can disregard this comment if they want to but it is one of the few facts we have and yes I believe it is a true fact because CG has not been a public figure in this case and I believe Tara's Dad and stepmom to be greiving parents of a missing daughter. I'm glad I thought of this today and hope it can shed some light on Tara's life before she disappeared. It does not discredit that Tara was emotional but it shows me Tara was looking at her future life. MHOO

[Its just me]

I was on the board and hit my stop button and for some odd reason a page came up that contained past post. I would need to search pups posts to find when this was posted since I am a person that believes that at times things can happen for a purpose and I serve a God that is in control of all things. With this said I can not to forward with out again putting this post on the board. This post contains information from MHu when she arrived early morning on Monday after she and FG got a call that Tara was not at school or at home. I believe this is a true picture of what Tara's bedroom looked like early morning on Monday. I am just trying to put together things I think I can depend on to be the truth. To me MHu is saying she thinks Tara went to bed at some point after 11:00 pm Saturday night when she returned home from the bbq. For now I will leave this here.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Question: How did Maria know when she was there Monday that the last time ANYBODY talked to Tara was Saturday? The GBI/LE didn't even know right?

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

[odette]

Originally posted by Its just me
I was on the board and hit my stop button and for some odd reason a page came up that contained past post. I would need to search pups posts to find when this was posted since I am a person that believes that at times things can happen for a purpose and I serve a God that is in control of all things. With this said I can not to forward with out again putting this post on the board. This post contains information from MHu when she arrived early morning on Monday after she and FG got a call that Tara was not at school or at home. I believe this is a true picture of what Tara's bedroom looked like early morning on Monday. I am just trying to put together things I think I can depend on to be the truth. To me MHu is saying she thinks Tara went to bed at some point after 11:00 pm Saturday night when she returned home from the bbq. For now I will leave this here.

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Question: How did Maria know when she was there Monday that the last time ANYBODY talked to Tara was Saturday? The GBI/LE didn't even know right?

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

You will find the post at this link :)

luvmy2labpups
Senior Member

08-07-2006 10:53 AM

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=8234198

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Don't put words in my post, "newbie."



I'm a "newbie" too but, ya know, by your post it does kinda sound like u dated her, soooo, which Irwin County indian are ya? lol ;)

[georgiapeach29]

Go Canes!!!!!!!

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


I'm a "newbie" too but, ya know, by your post it does kinda sound like u dated her, soooo, which Irwin County indian are ya? lol ;)

Its always good to have "newbies" here.

So what are your thoughts about this case?

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
LOL. You're about as "new" as a big bleach blonde fried hairdo with Aqua Net sides sticking out to there. JMO.



Your so funny, Indian, as a matter of fact, I don't have blonde hair. Infact, my hair is a very pretty shade and you cant get it out of a bottle. It's God given.

[georgiapeach29]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
It seems like she wouldn't be (#1) in his email account in Oct. 2005 and (#2) threatening to tell a girl's mom and dad Marcus was "dating" (or emailing) their daughter in October 2005 if she was over him. #2 comes from Anita on national media, not sure if it's true or not. I'd lean to "not" based on the track record.

IMO Tara wasn't over Marcus. She didn't want anyone else to have him. Check with some old boyfriends to see how Tara acted after a breakup. Or ask the wives and/or girlfriends of the guys who came in after a breakup with Tara. Never was a pretty scene, IMO.



"IMO Tara wasn't over Marcus. She did'nt want anyone else to have him"

Who else wanted him? (lol):)
no offence intendend imo

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


"IMO Tara wasn't over Marcus. She did'nt want anyone else to have him"

Who else wanted him? (lol):)
no offence intendend imo

As a "newbie" are you going to add to the discussion?

I am getting sick and tired of these new nics that come in and say....."Hi folks, I am new..........blah blah blah." All they do is troll around, never join in a discussion. No one really cares if anyone is new or not if they can add to the conversation, or voice a theory or an idea.

[PNut]

Originally posted by simply quiet


As a "newbie" are you going to add to the discussion?

I am getting sick and tired of these new nics that come in and say....."Hi folks, I am new..........blah blah blah." All they do is troll around, never join in a discussion. No one really cares if anyone is new or not if they can add to the conversation, or voice a theory or an idea.

Same 3 or 4 people - 238 nics....and counting....deflect, tangle and twist words, get discussions thrown off topic and get threads removed. As predictable as fireworks on the 4th of July.

But I do love how discussion of certain men - LG and HD -bring 'em running!! Must be a reason!

[Its just me]

Originally posted by georgiapeach29


Your so funny, Indian, as a matter of fact, I don't have blonde hair. Infact, my hair is a very pretty shade and you cant get it out of a bottle. It's God given.

If you notice that is how things usually works. Each of us have at least one good asset that is God given. Some brains, some hair, some a pretty face, etc.

[whoknowswhat]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
It seems like she wouldn't be (#1) in his email account in Oct. 2005 and (#2) threatening to tell a girl's mom and dad Marcus was "dating" (or emailing) their daughter in October 2005 if she was over him. #2 comes from Anita on national media, not sure if it's true or not. I'd lean to "not" based on the track record.

IMO Tara wasn't over Marcus. She didn't want anyone else to have him. Check with some old boyfriends to see how Tara acted after a breakup. Or ask the wives and/or girlfriends of the guys who came in after a breakup with Tara. Never was a pretty scene, IMO.



Your last paragraph hits the nail on the proverbial head.

[Its just me]

Originally posted by barry9120


I feel sorry for Its Just Me. Now she has relatives Its Just Janice and Its Just Jill. I'm waiting for Its Just Us Again :D

PNut,

You're right, HD and LG get their fingers flying, IMO. I like the subtle attempt get it back on MH, IMO.

I'd still like to know what HD's been up to and LG, for that matter.

JMHO and no offense intended..

{{I feel sorry for Its Just Me. Now she has relatives Its Just Janice and Its Just Jill. I'm waiting for Its Just Us Again :D }}

Do care to explain just what you mean by this. I'm not interested in any sympathy. And to my knowledge I don't have any relatives at least "Its Just Janice" will not match my DNA but will have to wait until I read one post from "Its Just Jill" before I can tell if there is a DNA match. Just interested in what you meant.

[Its Just Jill]

i am not related to anyone involved here, i just thought it was a neat name

:rose:

Originally posted by Its just me


{{I feel sorry for Its Just Me. Now she has relatives Its Just Janice and Its Just Jill. I'm waiting for Its Just Us Again :D }}

Do care to explain just what you mean by this. I'm not interested in any sympathy. And to my knowledge I don't have any relatives at least "Its Just Janice" will not match my DNA but will have to wait until I read one post from "Its Just Jill" before I can tell if there is a DNA match. Just interested in what you meant.

[PNut]

So, Jill, you new to the boards too?