The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[muipeso]

You got no evidence, what do ya got? Nothing. There is no crime, so there are no criminals. There are usually at least 3 sides to every story. The left side, the right side and the middle of the fence. Invent any story you wish. Use the oldest and most tried and true verification method known to man. Run it up a flagpole and see who salutes.. compile a list of those who salute, or dont salute. you will get the 3 kinds of people on your list. Believers, Non believers, and Middle of the fence. MOO

[Babes]

Is there any witness that will collaborate MH's alibi that he's really home by 5:30 AM other than his mother ( who is probably even sleeping that time) ?

Did any neighbor see him going home by any chance? Did any neighbor passed by MH's house and saw his truck parked?

How's 5:30 am in ocilla that day? Is it still dark?

I dont think the article written in crimelibrary is enough to stop talking about MH as the possible perp on this case. Like what ived said earlier, this article didnt excuse him at all. He was placed in the area where Tara possibly vanished. In my own opinion, if MH is responsible for this then he used SF for an alibi and SF possibly doesnt know anything at all IMO. I have many theories on this case but when i saw this article at crimelibrary the more i become more suspicious of MH. ALL MY IMO ONLY.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods
There are some great questions and speculations on the RR topic that I've personally been dying to mention ever since hearing about RR. I'm not saying that he did something, but I never understood why it seemed like he was being completely overlooked while all the exes and long-time friends were examined so many times. Well, I understand from a discussion board point of view...since essentially there wasn't much to go on re: RR. But, on a local investigation level, it just seemed (still seems) like he's below the radar.

LOL at least i am not alone :seeya:

I dont understand also why locals have split informations on Tara and RR's relationship. Some said RR is not interested on Tara, some said they are fighting because of jealousy to MH, some said they are dating, some said he is Tara's last boyfriend. Go figure buddy LOL

[The R]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


LOL

One of the first people suspected? No. Wrong choice of words.

One of the first people to talk to due to his and Tara's relationship? Yep. Not necessarily "suspected". Especially since there was no sign of foul play.

And therein lies the problem where I believe most people can't get over the hump: After someone has been "checked out", and there is no reason to dig further; then so be it.

Harper's alibi obviously checks out. What I know of it is good enough for me. What the GBI knows of it (a heck of a lot more than you and I) is obviously good enough for them as well.

You have yet to answer my request for the "obvious" reason Marcus should be a "suspect". Especially since Tara had other men in her life since she and Marcus split up. I'm curious as to how he leapfrogs those other men. (Some who were married)

BFD,

You answered your own question. He had a relationship with Tara, a well publicized one at that. A LONG relationship that evidently didn't end very well. I've never said I felt there was foul play without a doubt but there certainly could have been. To assume that the GBI has taken no action because an alibi checks out(as far as you know) is just a much a stretch as saying that MH should be one of the first people suspected if in fact there was foul play. If some of us are guilty of making a jump to conclusions as you imply then maybe some others need to pull their heads out of the proverbial sand.

Speaking of answering questions, you never answered mine. You can say without a doubt that MH is not involved in the disappearance of Tara Grinstead? What about the other men in her life? Got much proof that they were 'involved' with her?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MoochDog

Because Tara related to one of those "other men" that MH had threatened her. Presumably, Tara found out about a "side job" of MH's and he was none too happy. This is FACT, but obviously can't be supported by a "link". Otherwise, he'd be in jail already, IMO.

Oh really?

He got himself hooked up with a nice "side job" in the few weeks he was back stateside and Tara already found out about it (when he didn't even feel the need to let her know he was back home)?

Sounds like whoever the "other man" is that relayed this "threat to Tara" to you; needs to be checked out very, very closely. Motives might start popping up. Even worse still is if this person is in law enforcement and didn't let the local authorities know about any "threats" PRIOR to anything happening to Tara. Shame, shame, shame... that would be crappy police work. Both morally and professionally.

But I'm interested in knowing more about this "side job". Lay the "facts" out on the table for all to see:

What was the "side job" and how would Tara know about it?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MoochDog


She probably did mention it to her brother in law also, but who I was talking about was HD. No, I don't have a new user name. Do you?

So, you're saying Marcus Harper threatened Tara, she told Heath ****s and he did not let the local authorities know? What kind of crappy police officer is he?

How was he going to "protect" her? He didn't even live in the area.

Heath ****s says Marcus Harper found a "side job"? (Via an alleged conversation between him and Tara)

What was the "side job"?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by MoochDog
Several people knew Tara didn't feel entirely safe around MH. That's all I'm going to say on the subject because you've twisted my words around to suit your theory. You're the one who asked the question, remember? If you don't want an answer, then don't ask the question. And I'm sure you can figure out the side job on your own. It's not that hard. Ring up some of his buddies. IMO, some of them may be getting ready to talk. And if you do a bit more research, you'll find all the answers you want or need. I don't need a slug fest today. See you guys later.
:seeya:

Strange that someone who "didn't feel entirely safe" around Marcus would ask him to come over to her house days before she vanished. (Which he declined)

Stranger still is that she would seek him out if she didn't "feel safe" around him.

Answering questions that you have started with insinuations is not creating a "slugfest". It's asking you to be very clear about what you're saying. Dropping an insinuation (which leads to murder) and then running off because you choose not to clarify is typically what one calls "baiting".

I just want to understand what you're saying. You want people to buy your particular version of events... then be clear about what you're presenting. Or else how would I ever know enough to believe one way or the other?

[The R]

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
Didn't Justice always sign off with that same icon?

So Tara was afraid of MH but went out to his house, tapped on his windows, talked with him on 10-14? HD knew about "the fear" but went on back to his wife and kids after his visit on 10-23? Didn't tell the police, didn't hang around. Tara's car at the house, doors locked to the house, no answer on any phone.

I think it's clear who's twisting what to fit a theory. Has been for many months.

I thought the same thing thing as you re: Tara being scared vs. tapping on MH's window.....but of course you're taking MH's word for it that Tara tapped on his windows, right? Anyway, somebody is telling a whopper....just who is it that is? Seems to be quite a few whoppers around IMO.....

[sweettater]

I'm sure the GBI has her phone records and email records and would know who called whom and what any emails contain. And I'm pretty sure MH is smart enough to know that, so I seriously doubt he would be making up something about her contacting him. I just find it hard to believe he would be that stupid. JMO

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Babes -

Here is something I would like to know. Did MH live with MOM? Was he in the habit of coming in at all hours (MY guess YEP). Did he usually wake her up? Or did he know how to get in quietly?

On this particular night - did he wake her up as he entered?

Just wondering...

:shrug:

It was my understanding that he alternated between staying wih his mother and at his father's/stepmother's house while he was back home from his job. I guess it was more convenient than trying to establish a residence when his job took him away so often and he wasn't married in order for anyone to be a homemaker.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


It was my understanding that he alternated between staying wih his mother and at his father's/stepmother's house while he was back home from his job. I guess it was more convenient than trying to establish a residence when his job took him away so often and he wasn't married in order for anyone to be a homemaker.

Or you saying he can't cook? Just being facetious. It amazes me that in this day and age anyone would rely on someone else to provide sustenance.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by concernedperson


Or you saying he can't cook? Just being facetious. It amazes me that in this day and age anyone would rely on someone else to provide sustenance.

I have no idea if he can cook. I suppose if this were a bigger city or a college town he could have found some group of guys to share a house with or something. Apparently, mom and dad was the best option there. From what I've read, Tara lived with her father and stepmother until they moved to Alabama.

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


Elle,

With that being said, I wonder if there was a routine he stuck to- MOMs on weekends. DADS on weekdays.

Or if it just so happened he was closer to his Mom's that night?

Sure wish someone would say where that last call was where Merritt apparently was one of the alibi witnesses provided by Fletcher and/or Harper.

Just wondering...

:seeya:

Some people have stated he was a night owl, so they may have been used to him coming in late. I've never heard whether he alternated between places, but I guess that could be a possibility. For some reason, I thought his mother's place was the main spot where he stayed on a regular basis and was just going to visit his dad. I know there is a picture that has a caption of "MH's house" somewhere, maybe the crimelibrary, but locals have said that it's actually his father's house. I'm not sure which property/house it was where all that search hoopla was happening.

[Babes]

Can anyone supply answers to this question?

1. What time did MH arrive at the bar? Any proof/witnesses that he arrive at the bar at that time?

2. How did MH arrive at the bar? If he brought his truck then how come he didnt ride with his step-sister and her boyfriend in going to the bar?

3. What time MH left the bar? Any witnesses to support this ?

4. Is MH wearing the same clothes when he went to the bar and when he ride-along with Sean Fletcher?

5. Did MH left his friends and step-sister at the bar? Why does he needed to leave earlier? Is he bored and decided a ride-along is much better than listening to the band of his friends?

6. What is the exact time Sean and MH parted?

7. Any witnesses in MH's neighborhood who probably saw his truck parked on his mother or father's house? What are those times?

8. Does MH knows SF's cellphone number? Does MH have a 2- meter radio or cb radio ? If he has one , specially if he has a mobile cb radio/2 meter radio then why he didnt just radio Sean by himself and he needed to pass by through the dispatcher?



Sorry for many questions ive'd listed about MH. I just thought this thread is about MH so my focus of questions is for MH. Any answers are appreciated but 'facts' are what we all needed to see if MH's alibis are really perfect then we can move on
:seeya:

[The R]

Originally posted by kelloggirl


My impression of him from that interview was of a very matter-of-fact, unemotional man. Given his line of work, that is not that unusual in and of itself. Since I know nothing of MH, or know anyone that knows him, I can't definitely say whether his demeanor when speaking of Tara is unusual for him. Maybe he's always like that. I noted that he is not smiling in ANY of the pictures posted that accompany this article. Is it fair to speculate that there's something "odd" about his interview style? Maybe not, but doesn't law enforcement themselves do the same when interviewing the wife, husband, boyfriend, etc. right after someone is killed or missing under strange circumstances? I've seen enough cops/detectives interviewed after cases that say, "I thought that their reactions were very off. They were overreacting and being totally fake" OR "It was a big red flag and I thought it very strange that they were very unemotional." They've seen enough reactions over time to develop an intuitive sense of when something feels off. I don't think it's unreasonable for armchair detectives to do the same in this venue, and perhaps I don't take the impact of this message board seriously enough or I'm being utterly naive, because to me it's just discussion, nothing more. We're not reporters, we're not cops, we're not detectives, so how can it matter?

That said, BFD, I appreciate your logical, stick to the facts approach very much. I'm not one for complex conspiracy theories and the convolutions of disproving MH's alibi are too out there, for me personally. That Tara disappeared outside that window? Possible. That MH was in fact, not there at all for a significant portion of the night, or that he and Fletcher conspired with many people to establish fake checkpoints? Not buying it. Of course, I'm basing this on what (admittedly) little I know about police procedure. First, LE interviews MH on his whereabouts. They document everything he says. They interview SF. Same thing. They re-interview MH a second time (or maybe even more - I think I saw that he was interviewed multiple times? Correct me if I'm wrong.) They make sure his story stays consistent each time. They check to make sure that his and MH's two stories corroborate. Then they talk to the witnesses, like the dispatcher to make sure the timelines and small details match up. I have to assume that LE/GBI would identify any time gaps and discrepancies and contradictions. If I don't, then I'm making a left turn down the Conspiracy and Corruption Back Alley, when personally, I think there's a lot of other main roads to explore. That's not to say I don't enjoy reading all the theories and discussion. I just wish we had more info on the other entanglements of Tara's, which I also find interesting and that complicate things quite a bit.

As everyone says, these are entirely my own views and opinions and personal preferences and assumptions. Or MOO. An acronym which always makes me laugh heartily.

Hey Kgirl.....just look around, there's a thread or two devoted to most of the 'entanglements' individually.......plenty of theories offered on this board for sure.......

[The R]

Originally posted by Babes
3. What time MH left the bar? Any witnesses to support this ?





Sorry for many questions ive'd listed about MH. I just thought this thread is about MH so my focus of questions is for MH. Any answers are appreciated but 'facts' are what we all needed to see if MH's alibis are really perfect then we can move on
:seeya:

That's been the question I'd like to see an answer to for sure.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by The R


*snipped*

Speaking of answering questions, you never answered mine. You can say without a doubt that MH is not involved in the disappearance of Tara Grinstead? What about the other men in her life? Got much proof that they were 'involved' with her?

There are very few people that I can say "without a doubt" are not involved in Tara's disappearance. Marcus Harper is not one of them.

But the point of an investigation is not to remove all doubt. That is impossible. It's to look at what is plausible. At the present time it is not plausible in my mind that Marcus sneaked over to Tara's in a very minimal timeframe and murdered her and disposed of her body.

So far as the other men "involved" with her. It depends upon your definition of "involved". I use the term loosely to indicate a relationship. Whether that be friends or lovers. So yes, there is proof of Tara's involvement with many men. Heath. Anthony. Marcus. Rhett. And another one that shall remain nameless.

[singlesix]

"What percentage of patrons in a bar, on a Friday night are going on a ride along? GMAB.

BEATS THE HECK OUT OF ME. DO YOU KNOW? :)

"Oh yeah ... I noticed how many of my friends have had to cut their evenings short because they wanted to ride along with the cops and/or couldn't sleep and thought a ride along would be a great diversion."

WHAT DO YOUR FRIENDS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

"I'm familiar with the ride along programs and in my jurisdiction they require advance notice and/or enrollment in a 6 week course on community policing."

DO YOU LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN? (I don't need to know BTW)

"I stand by my observation ... it is not normal. Does it mean anything other than that? Probably not."

STAND BY IT OR ON IT, IT'S OKAY BY ME.

Givemeabreak, too. Sheesh. I can't believe I bothered replying to you. Were your feelings hurt because someone thought riding along was normal? ;)

singlesix...my daddy was a State Trooper, so cop stuff is normal.

[TuscanDreams]

I'd just like to comment on a polygraph that AV took and passed. (from what I gather).

If you are asked a question about something you believe to be the truth- you'll pass the polygraph. In other words, Vickers could easily be delusional and pass that test. No- I'm not saying he is delusional- I'm saying that if he is that explains the test. If he BELIEVES that he had a relationship with Tara, even if he didn't he will pass the polygraph.

[shelock]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by guitarstring

Very well said Guitarstring. This board could use more dedicated members like M71 especially from the locals even if they are not in the know. M71 really needs your help doing some research there which can't be accomplished sitting behind our computers. Thank you inadvance!

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Great and informative thread!

Kudos to you, V, for a fantastic job!!!

I have another question for anyone who might know the answer.

How are calls handled by LE? When a dispatcher receives a complaint or call, does the dispatcher assign the call to a specific officer, or does the officer, who is in the vicinity of the complainant, volunteeer to go to the call?

TIA
Thanks for keeping this in the forefront. V is exceptional with her/his research. I don't have answers but a lot of questions.

It doesn't matter to me where the ball drops but it matters to me that Tara is found. It matters to me that her perps are brought to justice. It is about Tara and no one else.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'm right there with you CP, as my only concern is for Tara. It seems she was valued as a dedicated teacher, appreciated for her willingness to tirelessly help pageant contestants, and appears to have been loved by those who knew her best.

Tara's life is/was meaningful. The search for her and/or the person/s responsible for her disappearance seems to have grown cold. I don't want that to happen.

Tara needs to be found, and if she was met with foul play, those responsible, regardless of whom they might be, should be held accountable.

Thanks, honey. It gets so tiresome.l really need to go on with my own life. But, I hear her and she invades my sleep. So, I will keep at it. Bless you Tara, you are importent and we will find a resolve. But, I need to sleep at some point.

[Babes]

Originally posted by The R


That's been the question I'd like to see an answer to for sure.

:seeya:

That's just tell us that MH's alibi isnt perfect at all.
Many questions and yet few answers and facts are missing.
I am also interested to know HD , AV and RR's alibis not just MH.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone


This is THE QUESTION IMO where AV is concerned (two parts of course)-

WHO are these 3 or 4 people?

What kind of RELATIONSHIP did Tara and AV have?

Just MOO. How I wish the media had and woud dig into this one!

MOO of course!


:seeya:

This is just MOO, but could these 3 or 4 people be members of his family? Just a thought.

[IBC]

I was over at the rival board where it was posted that T was caught by his mom while attempting to go into AV's window. I have no foundation to know if this is true - just posting what was over there.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by IBC
I was over at the rival board where it was posted that T was caught by his mom while attempting to go into AV's window. I have no foundation to know if this is true - just posting what was over there.

What is the rival board? This info seems really ludicrous. Please post a link to an accusation of this magnitude otherwise it is only another rumor....and another ...and another.

[Babes]

Hmmm when did RR placed his resume on his own website? I see that one of his objective is to find a job in the Jacksonville Florida... he wanted to moved out of Ocilla? Or maybe this is an older resume?

But it looks like it is updated because he just got his Dreamweaver 8 Developer Certificate last March 24, 2006 ;) Nice GPA at Valdosta

[Babes]

Originally posted by concernedperson


What is the rival board? This info seems really ludicrous. Please post a link to an accusation of this magnitude otherwise it is only another rumor....and another ...and another.

Ive'd read it at talktara.com ;)

[IBC]

Rival Board, i.e. talktara. The post has been deleted. My post clearly states that I have no foundation to support this, only that it was posted.

[Heyes]

Originally posted by Former Juror
Gosh, I don't know. This one has me stumped. I know a few people around Ocilla and would like to make a call or two and get some opinions.

Odds are that he had something to do with it. But, he seemed honest, and it appeared that he is cooperating. I am impressed that he did an interview. Most men in his situation would not subject themselves to that. And, I thought his attorney was very forthcoming.

The part that had me skeptical of him was the Friday morning episode he described of her knocking on his window and acting erratic and threatening herself. That seems inconsistent with everything else I've heard reported about her, and it seems like he is trying to put suicide in our thoughts, if and when she is found.

What do you think?

I couldn't agree more!

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Babes
Can anyone supply answers to this question?

1. What time did MH arrive at the bar? Any proof/witnesses that he arrive at the bar at that time?

2. How did MH arrive at the bar? If he brought his truck then how come he didnt ride with his step-sister and her boyfriend in going to the bar?

3. What time MH left the bar? Any witnesses to support this ?

4. Is MH wearing the same clothes when he went to the bar and when he ride-along with Sean Fletcher?

Sorry for many questions ive'd listed about MH. I just thought this thread is about MH so my focus of questions is for MH. Any answers are appreciated but 'facts' are what we all needed to see if MH's alibis are really perfect then we can move on
:seeya:

Babes, if we had some answers to your questions we could move on. Question #4 is a great one. Sure wish someone would address that. The GBI has questioned him extensively and seems that they have not moved on. I sure hope we hear something soon.

One more question of my own, was the 18-year old girl at the bar that night? With MH???

snip'

AN SUSTEREN: At about 11:00 o'clock, midnight on Saturday, October 22, where was Marcus?

PAJADAS: He was with his stepsister and her boyfriend and two other friends up in Fitzgerald, at a bar.

[NancynNC]

What kind of business is Horizons, Inc?
It is a business on Green Road. I thought this was a dirt road out in the country. Does anyone know what they do?

[Sassafrass]

Since everyone is a suspect, reading that article, I must say that it is almost too "well-documented". He still could've had time to kill Tara stash her in the car, and then use his officer buddy as a solid alibi. And then disposed of her after the night ended in the early morning hours.

Just a theory.

Wonder if he was ever asked permission to search his vehicle. Wonder if he still has that vehicle.

Just grasping at straws here since everything is so stagnant.

Also found it odd that the article came out in May instead of shortly after the disappearance. Seems like that draws more suspicion, IMO.

Thinking out loud.
:confused:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Sassafrass
Since everyone is a suspect, reading that article, I must say that it is almost too "well-documented". He still could've had time to kill Tara stash her in the car, and then use his officer buddy as a solid alibi. And then disposed of her after the night ended in the early morning hours.

Just a theory.

Wonder if he was ever asked permission to search his vehicle. Wonder if he still has that vehicle.

Just grasping at straws here since everything is so stagnant.

Also found it odd that the article came out in May instead of shortly after the disappearance. Seems like that draws more suspicion, IMO.

Thinking out loud.
:confused:

Well heck, if we're gonna grasp at straws because it's stagnant, how about grasping at Anita's alibi straws?

Or how about Larry's alibi? Any straws there to grasp?

Rhett Roberts?

Anthony Vickers?

Donald Duck?

Mickey Mouse?

I'm being very facetious because it's somewhat ludicrous to start "grasping at straws" because it's "stagnant". It sounds a lot like, "the drama has died down, can I get some more started" in my opinion.

I can partly tell you why that article came out when it did. And all it takes is for someone to start reading the drivel that was being written on the forums around that timeframe regarding Marcus' alibi.

It was getting to the point that anyone associated with Marcus' activities that evening were becoming "accomplices" of his alleged crime. We had Sean Fletcher and some young lady being accused of being accomplices to murder and coverup just so people could keep the "Marcus Did It" line open.

I think the article clearly illustrates Sean Fletcher is a good cop who was doing his job that night. And I think most people who read the article have now backed off of Sean Fletcher being an accomplice. (Right before the article there was a lot of talk about "where did they ride" and "who saw them that night", because it was implied they BOTH murdered Tara and hid her body while together)

Bottom line is that because of the "stagnant" nature of this case people are always itching to see something happen. My advice, if local and that feeling overwhelms you; go search somewhere for Tara. Draw up your own little grid and start searching.

If not local, go read another forum with a lot of movement. Because we don't see movement on the surface of the case and it seems to be stagnant, doesn't necessarily mean that is the reality of the situation.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Well heck, if we're gonna grasp at straws because it's stagnant, how about grasping at Anita's alibi straws?

Or how about Larry's alibi? Any straws there to grasp?

Rhett Roberts?

Anthony Vickers?

Donald Duck?

Mickey Mouse?

I'm being very facetious because it's somewhat ludicrous to start "grasping at straws" because it's "stagnant". It sounds a lot like, "the drama has died down, can I get some more started" in my opinion.

I can partly tell you why that article came out when it did. And all it takes is for someone to start reading the drivel that was being written on the forums around that timeframe regarding Marcus' alibi.

It was getting to the point that anyone associated with Marcus' activities that evening were becoming "accomplices" of his alleged crime. We had Sean Fletcher and some young lady being accused of being accomplices to murder and coverup just so people could keep the "Marcus Did It" line open.

I think the article clearly illustrates Sean Fletcher is a good cop who was doing his job that night. And I think most people who read the article have now backed off of Sean Fletcher being an accomplice. (Right before the article there was a lot of talk about "where did they ride" and "who saw them that night", because it was implied they BOTH murdered Tara and hid her body while together)

Bottom line is that because of the "stagnant" nature of this case people are always itching to see something happen. My advice, if local and that feeling overwhelms you; go search somewhere for Tara. Draw up your own little grid and start searching.

If not local, go read another forum with a lot of movement. Because we don't see movement on the surface of the case and it seems to be stagnant, doesn't necessarily mean that is the reality of the situation.

Nobody is getting this started. It has been in many of our minds for some time. His alibi has holes, face it. I never understand your attitude when someone mentions MH. If you took up for others the same way, it would not look so obvious. Are you his lawyer?

[gilligan]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Nobody is getting this started. It has been in many of our minds for some time. His alibi has holes, face it. I never understand your attitude when someone mentions MH. If you took up for others the same way, it would not look so obvious. Are you his lawyer?


maybe he is....MH...

:eek:

He sure defends him to the core, doesn't he???

I have wondered about this for some time...

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by gilligan



maybe he is....MH...

:eek:

He sure defends him to the core, doesn't he???

I have wondered about this for some time...

Seems to surprise some that we think MH may have been involved. This is not new.

[NancynNC]

Pointing fingers at Mickey now!!
Who is next??

[gilligan]

Originally posted by NancynNC
Pointing fingers at Mickey now!!
Who is next??


:lol:


I guess ANYONE BUT MH!!!!!

:confused:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Nobody is getting this started. It has been in many of our minds for some time. His alibi has holes, face it. I never understand your attitude when someone mentions MH. If you took up for others the same way, it would not look so obvious. Are you his lawyer?

LMAO

His alibi first had "holes" because no one knew what he and Sean did that night. So the implication was they were in cahoots together.

Then an article comes out showing Sean's activities that evening and it shifts to "he had time to do it before meeting up with Sean" or "he had time to do it after leaving Sean and get rid of the body the next day".

LMAO

The bottom line is that his alibi and Marcus in general will never pass muster with a certain contingency no matter which direction the wind blows. The mind was made up within days of Tara going missing and the belief will never change. Someone could come out tomorrow and confess to doing something to Tara and there will still be some dimwit saying Marcus paid the person to confess.

I've just decided that with every Marcus Harper post and question, I'm just going to start directing the same questions towards other people in this case. There are far fewer details known about other "suspects", but yet they dont' get any scrutiny. Why is that?

I have my own personal theories on why that is, but there is no way to prove it.

I take up for Marcus moreso than anyone else because no one else has gone through the same scrutiny he has. Who else has been plastered all over this forum as a suspect? Babes was begging people to talk about Rhett Roberts. It didn't go anywhere. No one wants to talk about Heath. Why is that?

When people start accusing others without any type of proof, other than their "gut feelings", I'll be just as adamant in my defense of those people.

Just lay out any evidence that points to Marcus. ANY. I would entertain the suggestion. But so far the only "evidence" that could point to Marcus is the fact he dated Tara in the past. And that's "evidence"? Not hardly.

All I see is a man being dragged through the mud and every attempt to make him the "prime suspect" when there is nothing to point that way.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gilligan



maybe he is....MH...

:eek:

He sure defends him to the core, doesn't he???

I have wondered about this for some time...

LMAO

You really need to get off of that island. I think the coconut radio the professor put together for you guys is picking up some weird signals.

[Sassafrass]

Originally posted by NancynNC


Nobody is getting this started. It has been in many of our minds for some time. His alibi has holes, face it. I never understand your attitude when someone mentions MH. If you took up for others the same way, it would not look so obvious. Are you his lawyer?

:eek: :lol:

Good grief! I don't know who did it. When I said stagnant, I meant that there has been not much of anything in a long time and the article coming out about his activities that night was suspicious timing, IMO, because he who screams the loudest should be looked at the hardest, IMO.

I don't pay much attention to the drivel on this board, so that's why I didn't know folks were dragging others into the mud.

Being away from the Tara board for some time, I was just seeing things with fresh eyes. And thinking out loud. And managed to pi$$ in someone's cheerios! :D

[gilligan]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


LMAO

You really need to get off of that island. I think the coconut radio the professor put together for you guys is picking up some weird signals.


:lol:

Marcus...you should join saturday night live!!!

[mooloo]

Nice shot, pups, very nice shot! :beer:

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Soon headlines will read Godwin searched and found a cross, must have been the POPE. :rolleyes: (NOTE THE SARCASM)

:lol:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by gilligan



:lol:

Marcus...you should join saturday night live!!!

They won't let me. They insist upon more than just profile camera shots.

:shrug:

[gilligan]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


They won't let me. They insist upon more than just profile camera shots.

:shrug:


But...I thought your profile shots looked pretty good on Greta...

MAN...you're a celebrity...

I'll just bet you could get any chick you want...

:lol:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by mooloo
Nice shot, pups, very nice shot! :beer:



:lol: :seeya:

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by gilligan



:lol:

Marcus...you should join saturday night live!!!

OMG... This is the funniest thing I have read in ages.

You guys don't know who BFD is???????


I am howling here. :D

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
:seeya:


You have been absent, and we noticed.

Hi ya pup.....:seeya:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by simply quiet


OMG... This is the funniest thing I have read in ages.

You guys don't know who BFD is???????


I am howling here. :D

Yeah! I thought I was a Peterson family member? How the heck did I become a Harper now?

:tongue:

[mooloo]

Yep, we have missed you....welcome back.


Originally posted by simply quiet



You have been absent, and we noticed.

Hi ya pup.....:seeya:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


You've been adopted by the Harpers due to your diligence in the Peterson case. :biggrin:

LOL

That must be it. I sure wish they would have told me about it beforehand.

;)

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Sassafrass


:eek: :lol:

Good grief! I don't know who did it. When I said stagnant, I meant that there has been not much of anything in a long time and the article coming out about his activities that night was suspicious timing, IMO, because he who screams the loudest should be looked at the hardest, IMO.

I don't pay much attention to the drivel on this board, so that's why I didn't know folks were dragging others into the mud.

Being away from the Tara board for some time, I was just seeing things with fresh eyes. And thinking out loud. And managed to pi$$ in someone's cheerios! :D

I know you meant no harm. Please stay and voice your opinion. We get invaded ever so often and they attack like pitbulls when you mention anything about MH being involved. Beats all I have ever seen in any case. He is still my #1 POI. I wish something would clear him so I can move on. Haven't seen it yet. IMOO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by NancynNC


I know you meant no harm. Please stay and voice your opinion. We get invaded ever so often and they attack like pitbulls when you mention anything about MH being involved. Beats all I have ever seen in any case. He is still my #1 POI. I wish something would clear him so I can move on. Haven't seen it yet. IMOO

It will never happen. There is no such thing as "clearing" someone during the course of an investigation. That's only on television and in the movies.

The only person a detective or investigator could ever possibly "clear" would be themselves.

About the closest you'll ever find is law enforcement saying something like, "at the present time we do not believe 'insert name' is involved in the 'insert crime'."

I do believe a portion of the article that this thread was started about did state that investigators have found no evidence to indicate that Marcus, Anthony or Bennie Merritt was involved in Tara's disappearance. I think that's about the closest anyone will ever come to say who was "cleared".

[concernedperson]

Honestly, I don't think Godwin could find his shoes. JMO.

[Rick Karon]

I know you dont like Dr. G, but he has helped in some big cases like the one in Raleigh and the one in south dakota not to mention many of his other accurate profiling.,

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


It will never happen. There is no such thing as "clearing" someone during the course of an investigation. That's only on television and in the movies.

The only person a detective or investigator could ever possibly "clear" would be themselves.

About the closest you'll ever find is law enforcement saying something like, "at the present time we do not believe 'insert name' is involved in the 'insert crime'."

I do believe a portion of the article that this thread was started about did state that investigators have found no evidence to indicate that Marcus, Anthony or Bennie Merritt was involved in Tara's disappearance. I think that's about the closest anyone will ever come to say who was "cleared".

I have been reading about the Jennifer Kessee missing person case and the FLA police cleared her mother, father and boyfriend.
They just were not in the city that night or day.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by NancynNC


I have been reading about the Jennifer Kessee missing person case and the FLA police cleared her mother, father and boyfriend.
They just were not in the city that night or day.

I don't know anything about that particular case, but could you post a link to where law enforcement said they were "cleared"?

I have never seen a law enforcement agency ever use those words in the course of an investigation. It would be highly unusual in my opinion.

(It's a legal logistical nightmare. If law enforcement publicly states someone is "cleared" and then later found to have some type of involvement {hired killing, accomplice before or after the fact, etc.}, a defense lawyer would have an absolute field day and the prosecutor would have a nightmare on his hands. Plus it would go into the credibility of the law enforcement agency.)

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I don't know anything about that particular case, but could you post a link to where law enforcement said they were "cleared"?

I have never seen a law enforcement agency ever use those words in the course of an investigation. It would be highly unusual in my opinion.

(It's a legal logistical nightmare. If law enforcement publicly states someone is "cleared" and then later found to have some type of involvement {hired killing, accomplice before or after the fact, etc.}, a defense lawyer would have an absolute field day and the prosecutor would have a nightmare on his hands. Plus it would go into the credibility of the law enforcement agency.)
Your reasons above show why Marcus Harper will never be cleared. IMO, he killed Tara. I've read every article associated with this case. IMO, he's the one they should be looking at.

[Sassafrass]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

Your reasons above show why Marcus Harper will never be cleared. IMO, he killed Tara. I've read every article associated with this case. IMO, he's the one they should be looking at.

I agree with you to a certain degree. Although, it really could be anyone, and I definitely think it was someone she knew very well.

I know if it were me in his (Marcus') shoes, I would've asked LE to search my car, home, property to do everthing possible to exclude myself from the list of suspects.

There is so much not known that its really hard to do anything but speculate.

Once there is a break, nothing would surprise me!

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Sassafrass


I agree with you to a certain degree. Although, it really could be anyone, and I definitely think it was someone she knew very well.

I know if it were me in his (Marcus') shoes, I would've asked LE to search my car, home, property to do everthing possible to exclude myself from the list of suspects.

There is so much not known that its really hard to do anything but speculate.

Once there is a break, nothing would surprise me!

Was his vehicle not searched? I could have sworn his attorney talked about the GBI requesting to spray luminol or something in his truck and Marcus allowing that to be done sans search warrant.

Has any law enforcement agency stated that Marcus has been uncooperative? Again, I could be wrong, but I thought I had read an article that stated Marcus and Heath were both fully cooperating with law enforcement.

[luvmy2labpups]

Hi SQ and Mooloo, thanks for the wb. It seems I haven't missed much, just more of the same ole same ole. Spinning story after story in the hope that one sticks. Pretty boring huh?:rolleyes:

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

Your reasons above show why Marcus Harper will never be cleared. IMO, he killed Tara. I've read every article associated with this case. IMO, he's the one they should be looking at. Wow, I wonder why you are so bent on seeing MH go down the river? There is ZERO proof that anything even happened to Tara. So while you and your merry mates continue to march your band down MH & SF lane, remember that all the finger pointing at MH and SF doesn't make it so no matter how many times you try and spin a story.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Was his vehicle not searched? I could have sworn his attorney talked about the GBI requesting to spray luminol or something in his truck and Marcus allowing that to be done sans search warrant.

Has any law enforcement agency stated that Marcus has been uncooperative? Again, I could be wrong, but I thought I had read an article that stated Marcus and Heath were both fully cooperating with law enforcement.

Do you have a link to any of the articles stating his vehicle, house, etc. were ever searched? I cannot find an article like that if one exists. The only one I found "talked" about it (as it would be done in the future) but never saw one that said it WAS done. Maybe if Marcus would open up his home to be searched, he could regain some credibility. What do his military superiors say about this case? Do they believe he's guilty of something? Was there an article in a military journal of some kind about this?Anyone know anything about that? IMO, I think Marcus holds the answers, and has a friend that holds most of the answers. That's just my take on this, all IMO.

[Babes]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise

Your reasons above show why Marcus Harper will never be cleared. IMO, he killed Tara. I've read every article associated with this case. IMO, he's the one they should be looking at.

So if you think MH did it then can you tell me how did you excuse Rhett Roberts from this possible crime? What is his alibis on the night Tara possibly vanished? Where is JDA the weekend Tara possibly vanished as well? What is JDA, HD, RR driving on the night Tara possibly vanished? I also think MH is not very innocent but i cannot excuse people who might have motives and capability to make her vanish too.

[kelloggirl]

For the life of me, I have never seen a group of people want one person to be guilty so bad. It is as if, your minds have closed to the prospect of anyone else being responsible for the disappearance of Tara. Why would he do it?? From what I understand, he ended the relationship, and she was pursuing him. So , I ask the question again, Why would he do it? What motive does he have? He wanted to get rid of her for good because she didn't want the relationship to end?

I have no stake in him being guilty one way or another, but I can see how ending the relationship and her pursuing him could be a motive. Men often kill their wives so they can be free and be with the mistress or new girlfriend. Of course, they weren't married, but hypothetically, something like this is not out of the realm of possibility.

By many accounts, she was unable to let go - calling him, emailing him, showing up at his house, pounding at his window, being so overwrought that she couldn't drive. Maybe she was causing problems with a new relationship - what girlfriend wants her new boyfriend's ex calling and visiting and not letting go? (Just a hypothetical - I have no idea if he was dating someone.)

I appreciate how difficult it must be for those who know MH to read this sort of speculation. For what it's worth, I don't think it's personal against MH, since I've observed that the significant other is ALWAYS one of the people suspected and discussed the most in any missing case/murder threads on all the Court TV message boards. Of course, there are always posters with agendas, but to assume everyone that wants to discuss MH has one is a bit unfair.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by kelloggirl


*snipped*

I appreciate how difficult it must be for those who know MH to read this sort of speculation. For what it's worth, I don't think it's personal against MH, since I've observed that the significant other is ALWAYS one of the people suspected and discussed the most in any missing case/murder threads on all the Court TV message boards. Of course, there are always posters with agendas, but to assume everyone that wants to discuss MH has one is a bit unfair.

I disagree with the sentiments expressed in this particular portion of your post.

1. I don't know Marcus.

2. I do think it's personal against Marcus.

3. Marcus was NOT Tara's "significant other" at the time of her disappearance. If it was just a case of the "significant other", then I do believe Rhett Roberts would be the main topic of conversation, not Marcus.

4. I agree about the generaliztion regarding "everyone" discussing Marcus. There are some people that want legitimate discussion regarding Marcus with no agenda whatsoever.
But there are also some who have no desire than to talk about anyone or anything other than Marcus. (It's pretty transparent to some of us because the styles are so distinct we can spot them a mile away)

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by kelloggirl


I have no stake in him being guilty one way or another, but I can see how ending the relationship and her pursuing him could be a motive. Men often kill their wives so they can be free and be with the mistress or new girlfriend. Of course, they weren't married, but hypothetically, something like this is not out of the realm of possibility.

By many accounts, she was unable to let go - calling him, emailing him, showing up at his house, pounding at his window, being so overwrought that she couldn't drive. Maybe she was causing problems with a new relationship - what girlfriend wants her new boyfriend's ex calling and visiting and not letting go? (Just a hypothetical - I have no idea if he was dating someone.)

I appreciate how difficult it must be for those who know MH to read this sort of speculation. For what it's worth, I don't think it's personal against MH, since I've observed that the significant other is ALWAYS one of the people suspected and discussed the most in any missing case/murder threads on all the Court TV message boards. Of course, there are always posters with agendas, but to assume everyone that wants to discuss MH has one is a bit unfair.

I could not have said it better!!
Seems so personal for some on both sides. Maybe we can learn something soon.

[ccteacher]

I'm just sitting around watching Oprah and thought "Wow, could this have happened to Tara?" Today, Oprah is about these 2 women who were trapped in an underground bunker at a millionaire's house (which wasn't a nice house at all) and were repeatedly raped and tortured. One day, he just let them go. One was there for over 2 years and the other one was there for a few months. It was like they fell off of the face of the earth. He finally allowed them to write letters home, but it was dictated by him what they said. They had to say that they were okay, but they were in drug rehab or something like that. When they went to the police, they were laughed at. The police didn't believe what they were saying.

Could this have happened? Since there is no evidence or a body, then where in the world is Tara? Maybe she is still alive--are there any creeps in the area or sexual preditors who have not been questioned?? Just grasping at straws... :shrug:

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by guitarstring
Hey Paula, are you saying that since I'm over 30, I shouldn't worry about anyone kidnapping me and wanting to keep me for reasons such as described? That's good news, if I was relying solely on your view, however, IMO, just because a woman is OVER 30 does not somehow magically erase such a threat.

ALL women are subject to any crime at any time.

To say that a woman is PAST the age to be subject to "this type of crime" makes me wonder how naive one can be in this day and age?

Women over 30 do not retreat to the "safe bubble" once they reach this age.

I know you didn't know how this sounded when you posted it.
I had to stand up for the 30 something women and defend their right to continue to be vigilant in their awareness of what threats are out there, even though they are past an age that you feel releases them from a potential threat.

IMO, a 50 year old woman could be targeted for this type of crime just as easily as a 25 year old.
It's not about AGE.
It's about control.

I agree. In fact, one of the victims in the story Freshwater posted a link to was a 26 year old mother of two.

I personally don't think this is what happened to Tara, but you never know.

The thousands upon thousands of people that go missing every year have to be going "somewhere". And many of them are never found. No trace of them at all.

Let's just hope Tara doesn't become another one of the thousands never to be heard from again.

[rhill]

Results .. you mention some good points which I hope can lead to some constructive discussion.

[BFD - v2.0]

There is actually one major question I have regarding Marcus Harper: His stateside schedule for 2005.

It is my understanding that Marcus returned stateside about 3 weeks prior to Tara going missing.

If that is the case, how long had he been gone?

In what months of 2005 was he stateside?

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi BD!

Somehow I recall reading that MH had been away for 2 years.

The fact that Tara disappeared, within a few weeks of MH returning to GA, has always been one of the reasons why MH remains one of my POI's.

IMO

I heard the same thing Paula, but it doesn't add up. Different comments regarding their relationship doesn't mesh with the idea that he had been gone for two years.

If someone knows the dates he was stateside for the year, it would help clarify some of those things in my opinion.

[fsbiii]

I have some information on the dates MH served and when he was inactive or not deployed that I should be able to post tomorrow. From memory, I think his service ended in January 2005 before the private job began, but don't hold me to that until I have the info in front of me. (The info is not with me at home).

[kelloggirl]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


I disagree with the sentiments expressed in this particular portion of your post.

1. I don't know Marcus.

2. I do think it's personal against Marcus.

3. Marcus was NOT Tara's "significant other" at the time of her disappearance. If it was just a case of the "significant other", then I do believe Rhett Roberts would be the main topic of conversation, not Marcus.

4. I agree about the generaliztion regarding "everyone" discussing Marcus. There are some people that want legitimate discussion regarding Marcus with no agenda whatsoever.
But there are also some who have no desire than to talk about anyone or anything other than Marcus. (It's pretty transparent to some of us because the styles are so distinct we can spot them a mile away)

Just to clarify a little, BFD in regards to your response to my post:

1. I, personally, never thought you did, and wasn't really including you in that "those who know MH" - I always thought that you presented your POV from an unemotionally invested place.

2. For some, yes, but not all.

3. You're right. I should've been more precise - I used significant other thinking of his importance in Tara's life.

4. True enough.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by kelloggirl


Just to clarify a little, BFD in regards to your response to my post:

1. I, personally, never thought you did, and wasn't really including you in that "those who know MH" - I always thought that you presented your POV from an unemotionally invested place.

2. For some, yes, but not all.

3. You're right. I should've been more precise - I used significant other thinking of his importance in Tara's life.

4. True enough.

Don't worry, I thought you made some good points. My response had more to do with the posts (prior to yours) wondering if I was a friend of Marcus' or *gasp* Marcus himself.

Since I am one of the more outspoken critics about all of the attention going towards Marcus as a "POI", I figured I might as well quash all of that silly stuff about me knowing him.

I look forward to more of your posts.

[fsbiii]

The documentation I have is not very helpful to the request. In February 2004, Harper noted that he was on his first enlistment with the U.S. Army and that it would end on January 7, 2005. (He had been to Afghanistan twice and Iraq once at that time). He originally noted that he would not be re-enlisting after January, but that sentence was stricken from the document and initialed by him before signing.

Originally posted by fsbiii
I have some information on the dates MH served and when he was inactive or not deployed that I should be able to post tomorrow. From memory, I think his service ended in January 2005 before the private job began, but don't hold me to that until I have the info in front of me. (The info is not with me at home).

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Hi BD!

Somehow I recall reading that MH had been away for 2 years.

The fact that Tara disappeared, within a few weeks of MH returning to GA, has always been one of the reasons why MH remains one of my POI's.

IMO

Did he have any R&R breaks during that 2 years? Just wondering, since that would put him back in the USA more than likely.

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by sweettater
Some of the people I am in touch with there think Tara was the victim of foul play. However, the people I know that knew her well, worked with her, etc., though they all go back and forth between all the possibilities, pretty much always go back to the opinion that she left on her own (with help, of course). They all say she would've had no problem getting someone to help her engineer this. She was very much liked and admired by many people, near and far. She was a kind-hearted person and people just always wanted to "help" her from what I've been told. They all say they have no doubt she could've easily obtained assistance. Also, things she mentioned to certain people, her demeanor, etc. shortly before she disappeared makes them lean toward this scenario. Everything I post about this is what I hear from others that knew her. I never met her myself.

So you never met Tara? OK then, if you think she "had help" to disappear, don't you suppose the person that "helped her disappear" would also be reported missing by this time? That theory just doesn't make sense to me, but if you want to explain it further, I'm listening.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by MakeSomeNoise


So you never met Tara? OK then, if you think she "had help" to disappear, don't you suppose the person that "helped her disappear" would also be reported missing by this time? That theory just doesn't make sense to me, but if you want to explain it further, I'm listening.

Why would a friend who loved her and possibly helped her have to be missing also?
JMO

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Why would a friend who loved her and possibly helped her have to be missing also?
JMO
Assuming that person would be with her, they too would be missing.

[sweettater]

Just because someone assists someone in disappearing doesn't mean they have to disappear also. I don't necessarily think she "had help" to disappear. I don't have the slightest idea if she had help. I don't have the slightest idea if she is dead or alive. Not knowing her, all I have to go on to base my opinions on is what I've been told by others who DID know her. And some of them are convinced that she could have and would have possibly engineered her own disappearance with aid from someone. It's perfectly fine with me if that theory makes no sense to you and you disagree with it. That's cool. I don't have any urge whatsover to debate the issue or try to make everyone else agree with my opinions about everything (especially since my opinion changes practically daily). Obviously our opinions mean absolutely nothing whatsoever in regard to the truth or the outcome of this situation - and that's the ONE opinion I always have that never changes. :)

[MakeSomeNoise]

Originally posted by sweettater
Just because someone assists someone in disappearing doesn't mean they have to disappear also. I don't necessarily think she "had help" to disappear. I don't have the slightest idea if she had help. I don't have the slightest idea if she is dead or alive. Not knowing her, all I have to go on to base my opinions on is what I've been told by others who DID know her. And some of them are convinced that she could have and would have possibly engineered her own disappearance with aid from someone. It's perfectly fine with me if that theory makes no sense to you and you disagree with it. That's cool. I don't have any urge whatsover to debate the issue or try to make everyone else agree with my opinions about everything (especially since my opinion changes practically daily). Obviously our opinions mean absolutely nothing whatsoever in regard to the truth or the outcome of this situation - and that's the ONE opinion I always have that never changes. :)

I agree with your post.

But just so you'll know, I don't believe Tara "disappeared with help". But I stated that IF SHE DID, then I thought the person that helped her would be missing also because, presumably, they'd be with her. That's all I said. But as for your reasoning, I agree totally.

[concernedperson]

It is odd, Results. First of all we don't know if a card was ever left. We have several people saying that there were calls on Tara's vm from him. I also believe from all evidence and sources that they were involved in a romantic relationship. It doesn't mean he killed her but it could mean that his concern was rising.

A killer isn't going to leave several vm's to be clued into him. Those calls were legitimate and without knowledge that Tara was missing. On Sunday, for clarification.JMO.

I think he realized he wasn't her only interest and was acting in the boyfriend mode. Again, JMO.

[concernedperson]

One more thing, I am not 100% sure he was at Tara's at 12:15 am on Monday. That source of info has been discredited and the GBI has never spoke about it. Nor Heath. So, facts have to just be that, facts.

[Rick Karon]

Guitar,

I agree. Dr G. has been the best source of facts in this case and I agree he knows much more than what he has said.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by guitarstring
I haven't seen any indication of anything to make me believe Dr. Godwin's info is UNTRUE because if it was, seems like the family would be the first to NOT speak highly of him anymore and they would not continue a relationship with someone who gave false info.

AND since AG was so quick to defend HD at every opportunity and divert attn. off him, she surely would have corrected that info about him if it was false, considering he is such a good family friend.

I believe what Dr. Godwin released was true. I believe he also knows more.

When is the last time you have heard the family speak highly of Dr G? It seems to me they no longer have a relationship with him. JMO

[Rick Karon]

I believe he will guitar.

[Lindsey]

I think this because we have not heard anything from Dr G or about Dr G in quite some time. I think there is a reason the family never mentions him anymore and a reason why we hear nothing from Dr G. JMO


Originally posted by guitarstring
Lindsey, what makes you think Dr. Godwin is not still involved in this case? He said he would see it through.

[sogalady]

Guitar,, I have always wondered, if HD actually did leave a business card in Tara's door,, why didn't Mr.P, LE or someone find it that Monday AM? Have you ever read anything that refers to the card being found?

[odette]

Originally posted by sogalady
Guitar,, I have always wondered, if HD actually did leave a business card in Tara's door,, why didn't Mr.P, LE or someone find it that Monday AM? Have you ever read anything that refers to the card being found?

At the very first FindTara forum, the card which HD allegedly left on Tara's door, was discussed at great length.

Many of the first posts mentioned that there was indeed a card left by HD. To my knowledge he has never denied that he left his card.

FWIW .. HD is way "up there" as someone to be looked at very closely in my book.

For starters, what was a married man, ie HD doing, allegedly phoning Tara at 10:20 pm on the Saturday night, the night which she was last "known" to be seen by anyone .. Also, why wasn't it ever mentioned in the "early days" that he had been in Tara's yard the following Monday morning at 12:15 am?. To my knowledge he has not denied that either.

Oh we have heard the "reason" as to why he was there, but I personally don't buy it.

All Just My opinion

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by odette


At the very first FindTara forum, the card which HD allegedly left on Tara's door, was discussed at great length.

Many of the first posts mentioned that there was indeed a card left by HD. To my knowledge he has never denied that he left his card.

FWIW .. HD is way "up there" as someone to be looked at very closely in my book.

For starters, what was a married man, ie HD doing, allegedly phoning Tara at 10:20 pm on the Saturday night, the night which she was last "known" to be seen by anyone .. Also, why wasn't it ever mentioned in the "early days" that he had been in Tara's yard the following Monday morning at 12:15 am?. To my knowledge he has not denied that either.

Oh we have heard the "reason" as to why he was there, but I personally don't buy it.

All Just My opinion I wasn't involved in the first forum so this is news to me about the card. Maybe it is true then. I tend to go back to the original posts and articles lately to see if anything was missed.

To me he is acting like a boyfriend with a lot of calls probably all done on the side. Married man having an affair. What is coming to mind is that he was checking to see who Tara was with after not answering his calls all day Sunday. I believe he felt spurned. I don't think Faye or anyone called him he was checking to see who Tara was with. That would be why he didn't break down the door looking for her....he thought she was with another man. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Just an opinion....I wasn't there and apparently no one else was either.

[SlouthyMom]

Has the AV been completely cleared or is he still poi?

I believe I read somewhere that he had passed a polygraph? I don't give much credit to those test. I believe they are mainly used as part of interrogation. Anyway, with that said could Vickers became such a threat to Tara that she was being seen in public with HD in order to disenchant AV?
I believe it was AV that shouted those statements at Tara not MH. Of all POI AV is the only one that Tara ever felt threatened enough to call in LE. It just looks to me that he was stalking Tara and became very angry when he found HD at Tara's house. Does anyone know what his alibi was for those first days Tara went missing?

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I wasn't involved in the first forum so this is news to me about the card.

Me either, I've only read what has been posted on this forum.

Originally posted by concernedperson
.... I believe he felt spurned. I don't think Faye or anyone called him he was checking to see who Tara was with. That would be why he didn't break down the door looking for her....he thought she was with another man. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Just an opinion....I wasn't there and apparently no one else was either.

I grew up around cops, have been married to one and when I got adoption records opened, found out my cousin was the Sheriff of the county I grew up in. LOL. It's like, I can't get away from them. (They are aware I do that joke.)

Of all the officers I know, whenever one would leave me a note on my car if they saw it parked somewhere or were jotting something down as we talked, they always did it on a business card. I think that card left in Tara's door could have just been used out of pure habit.

While a citizen would think nothing of breaking in a door, a cop would stop cold in his tracks before doing that. He knows the laws too well, he would not want to get popped himself for B and E or something like that for breaking in her door, just because the lady who lived there 'didn't answer when he knocked in the middle of the night' is not reason enough to justify breaking down the door to get inside to look around. He would know legally the most he could do is call her (which he did many times) and knock on her door (which he also did), but that's it. So he stuck his card in Tara's front door to let her know he'd stopped by and he'd like to hear back from her.

When dealing with LE, we must remember to think as they do. They do things differently than civilians and since there are so many LE tied to this case, I think a lot are approaching it from the wrong angle. I could be wrong, but this is what keeps going thru my mind when I consider this case. Thought I'd put it out there for y'all to read and digest.

[concernedperson]

Originally posted by BikerBabe


Me either, I've only read what has been posted on this forum.



I grew up around cops, have been married to one and when I got adoption records opened, found out my cousin was the Sheriff of the county I grew up in. LOL. It's like, I can't get away from them. (They are aware I do that joke.)

Of all the officers I know, whenever one would leave me a note on my car if they saw it parked somewhere or were jotting something down as we talked, they always did it on a business card. I think that card left in Tara's door could have just been used out of pure habit.

While a citizen would think nothing of breaking in a door, a cop would stop cold in his tracks before doing that. He knows the laws too well, he would not want to get popped himself for B and E or something like that for breaking in her door, just because the lady who lived there 'didn't answer when he knocked in the middle of the night' is not reason enough to justify breaking down the door to get inside to look around. He would know legally the most he could do is call her (which he did many times) and knock on her door (which he also did), but that's it. So he stuck his card in Tara's front door to let her know he'd stopped by and he'd like to hear back from her.

When dealing with LE, we must remember to think as they do. They do things differently than civilians and since there are so many LE tied to this case, I think a lot are approaching it from the wrong angle. I could be wrong, but this is what keeps going thru my mind when I consider this case. Thought I'd put it out there for y'all to read and digest.

I appreciate the post and the explanation of how LE thinks. But, do you believe that if he thought she was dead or in trouble that he wouldn't go further? Call other LE for backup. If he wasn't concerned about her safety then I can see just leaving his card and he may have thought she was otherwise occupied.

The latter explains the mindset better.He drove over 50 miles to see why she wasn't answering his calls. He apparently wasn't worried about foul play.I think it was more personal.

[BikerBabe]

Originally posted by concernedperson


I appreciate the post and the explanation of how LE thinks. But, do you believe that if he thought she was dead or in trouble that he wouldn't go further? Call other LE for backup. If he wasn't concerned about her safety then I can see just leaving his card and he may have thought she was otherwise occupied.

The latter explains the mindset better.He drove over 50 miles to see why she wasn't answering his calls. He apparently wasn't worried about foul play.I think it was more personal.

Due to his not calling the local LE, I am assuming he felt Tara was just gone with someone for the night. He would have seen her car parked in the carport, so that would be the logical conclusion anyone would come to when he got no answer to his knock at the door.

I guess the question I'd ask him would be this: How many times in the past did you drive the 50 miles to Tara's house and find her to not be home? That would give us more of an idea how he reacts to different situations with loved ones or friends when he's trying to reach them. I'd also like to know if he was in the town for any other reason and decided to stop by Tara's house while in the area, since she hadn't answered or returned his calls that day.

Judging by his actions though, I agree with you that he, at that point in time, wasn't real concerned about her or he would have done more than just leave his card and drive away. I'd also like to know if he was driving home when he called Tara's mom to inquire about her, or if he was still parked in front of her house. Then we'd know the answer to why his truck wasn't noticed by the neighbors when they looked out the window after getting the call from Tara's mom asking them to look over at her house.

I'm not sure what their personal relationship was at this time. I myself have a best friend that is male. There's no way we'd cross the line from friendship into something more personal. I grew up with all boys, so have alway had both male and female friends without taking it past friendship.

Not sure if this is what happened, but it plays out well in my head when I think about it. Hopefully someone that's local can post and tell us how often he visited Tara and the normal time of day or night these visits took place.

[BevAnn]

Is it really "dating" when it's in 8th and 9th grade??

This guys quote doesn't sound like a rememberance of childhood crush/"relationship".

Just my opinion...

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by popcorn
Tara was not allowed to "date" and that age so they mainly hung out at either his house or Ms. Faye's house.




I thought she moved to Anita's when she was around 14?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by popcorn
Tara and Jim dated in 1989 and 1990, when she was in the 8th and 9th grade. Jim Perry now lives in Ohio with his family.



I was told many months ago by someone very close to Tara since childhood, Jim Perry was her first real boyfriend. You are correct tho that he now lives in Ohio (would you like his address and phone #?) but he does not have a family. He is a single man and does not want children, according to him.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by popcorn
I have Perry's contact details. He is now married with a new baby. His family owns and trains race horses.



That was a short marriage because he was single at the end of Oct. and still single early this year but now I find that he is DIVORCED. Wow! You're right about the new baby tho. hmmm

[BevAnn]

so, he was married, had a baby, but is now divorvced?

[fsbiii]

Color me confused.

Mr. Perry got married, had a kid, and is now divorced. All since January? Anyone in Hawkinsville familiar with this chap or the mama of his baby?

[janis]

It was quiet for a little while.....Here we go again?

:D

[gacountry]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Color me confused.

Mr. Perry got married, had a kid, and is now divorced. All since January? Anyone in Hawkinsville familiar with this chap or the mama of his baby?

If Mr. Perry and His Family now live in Ohio~~~should Hawkinsville people have any idea about the wife? I think maybe you should ask our Ohio posters, or maybe just call Mr. Perry and ask him what happened.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally posted by guitarstring
Seems like it is totally logical to QUESTION it, if for no other reason except to RULE IT OUT as a possibility of place she may run to. There's a saying::: leave no stone unturned.

Unless you know where she is, then why leave this stone UNTURNED? I would think you, of all people, would be cheering for everyone to keep guessing and trying and picking and poking and digging for any tidbit that may open up a lead to where she may be or who she may be with, if she's alive.

Again, it just seems logical to ask about anyone she kept in contact with.

You are right, leave no stone unturned. I'd hope that this guy has been addressed by LE.

[mooloo]

Wasn't Tara living with AG/LG at this time? I thought I had read somewhere that she lived there at 14?

Originally posted by popcorn
Tara was not allowed to "date" and that age so they mainly hung out at either his house or Ms. Faye's house.

[fsbiii]

Duh. That's why I asked.

If anyone in the world knows anything about the wife, please reply here.

Satisfied? Jeez.

Originally posted by gacountry
should Hawkinsville people have any idea about the wife?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by guitarstring
GA Country, considering you and I do not know what happened to Tara or where she may be, AND considering the rumors about a possible pregnancy or runaway situation (and wondering how she would have the money to do such a thing) maybe you should consider the validity of asking about a man who apparently thought highly of Tara, cared enough to post a nice comment about her within 48 hours of her disappearance & apparently has financial stability, and has had a NEW WIFE and NEW BABY all in a matter of less than 7 months, it seems.

Seems like it is totally logical to QUESTION it, if for no other reason except to RULE IT OUT as a possibility of place she may run to.

There's a saying::: leave no stone unturned.

Unless you know where she is, then why leave this stone UNTURNED? I would think you, of all people, would be cheering for everyone to keep guessing and trying and picking and poking and digging for any tidbit that may open up a lead to where she may be or who she may be with, if she's alive.

Again, it just seems logical to ask about anyone she kept in contact with.


Sorry to upset you, maybe I should have put that down under someone else post other than Fsbiii. It was a post of concern, from earlier research we had done months ago on MR.Perry we knew he and his family had moved to Ohio, years ago. I did not think he had ties to Hawkinsville any longer, since he moved WITH his family, but gee I could be wrong. But if he lived in Ohio has long as I think he has more than likely that is where the wife would have been chosen.

Believe me I do not know where Tara is and I would give anyting to see her home with her family and friends. As to the no stone unturned I have been involved since the beginning to make sure no stone is left unturned.

Fsbiii, again excuse me I did not mean to step on your feelings, this was a sincere post about people in Ohio would probably know more than people in Hawkinsville. I have now put fsbiii on my wonderful ignore button alone with luvlappups. Anyone else want on my ignore button feel free to let me know.

[fsbiii]

*THANK GOD* Maybe if everyone requests to be ignored we can avoid any more religious and personal bitterness cloaked in sincerity and followed by retractions and apologies.

Originally posted by gacountry

Sorry to upset you, maybe I should have put that down under someone else post other than Fsbiii. It was a post of concern, from earlier research we had done months ago on MR.Perry we knew he and his family had moved to Ohio, years ago. I did not think he had ties to Hawkinsville any longer, since he moved WITH his family, but gee I could be wrong. But if he lived in Ohio has long as I think he has more than likely that is where the wife would have been chosen.

Believe me I do not know where Tara is and I would give anyting to see her home with her family and friends. As to the no stone unturned I have been involved since the beginning to make sure no stone is left unturned.

Fsbiii, again excuse me I did not mean to step on your feelings, this was a sincere post about people in Ohio would probably know more than people in Hawkinsville. I have now put fsbiii on my wonderful ignore button alone with luvlappups. Anyone else want on my ignore button feel free to let me know.

[mooloo]

Was his family one of the families that come and go yearly with the horses that train in Hawkinsville?

Originally posted by popcorn
I have Perry's contact details. He is now married with a new baby. His family owns and trains race horses.

[BevAnn]

OMG! My allergies are in overdrive and my head is throbbing - can't think clearly - BUT I've read the posts from last night - and it seems there is STILL NO answer to:

The date of Perry's wedding
The date of Perry's child's birth
The date of Perrty's divorce


Anyone, anyone???:shrug:

[Lindsey]

I don't have those answers ... yet. But less than 6 months ago he was a single man and he said he didn't want children. So, I'm very interested in learning when things changed. And divorced already! wow

Originally posted by BevAnn
OMG! My allergies are in overdrive and my head is throbbing - can't think clearly - BUT I've read the posts from last night - and it seems there is STILL NO answer to:

The date of Perry's wedding
The date of Perry's child's birth
The date of Perrty's divorce


Anyone, anyone???:shrug:

[justthinking]

According to Jim Perry's sister and mother who are standing by me as I type:

Jim Perry married India Peckham (a veterinarian from Cleveland, Ohio) on August 7, 2004.

Jim and India welcomed baby Hayden Scott Perry into this world January 23, 2006.

Jim and India had been separated for three weeks now. They are not divorced and have not filed for divorce.

Jim was in Ohio opening a financial business on October 20-25. He last visited Hawkinsville in April of 2004. India accompanied him.

Jim and Tara communicated via email on occasion, but to the knowledge of his mother and sister, Jim and Tara have not talked on the phone or in person in several years.

Jim's parents, Jim and Joann Perry live in Hawkinsville, as does his sister Denise.

Any more questions while they are right here?

[fsbiii]

Well, thanks! That's what I call live & direct information. He lists himself as divorced on his profile as of July 18, 2006, so that is where that information arose.

Originally posted by justthinking
According to Jim Perry's sister and mother who are standing by me as I type:

Jim Perry married India Peckham (a veterinarian from Cleveland, Ohio) on August 7, 2004.

Jim and India welcomed baby Hayden Scott Perry into this world January 23, 2006.

Jim and India had been separated for three weeks now. They are not divorced and have not filed for divorce.

Jim was in Ohio opening a financial business on October 20-25. He last visited Hawkinsville in April of 2004. India accompanied him.

Jim and Tara communicated via email on occasion, but to the knowledge of his mother and sister, Jim and Tara have not talked on the phone or in person in several years.

Jim's parents, Jim and Joann Perry live in Hawkinsville, as does his sister Denise.

Any more questions while they are right here?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
According to Jim Perry's sister and mother who are standing by me as I type:

Jim Perry married India Peckham (a veterinarian from Cleveland, Ohio) on August 7, 2004.

Jim and India welcomed baby Hayden Scott Perry into this world January 23, 2006.

Jim and India had been separated for three weeks now. They are not divorced and have not filed for divorce.

Jim was in Ohio opening a financial business on October 20-25. He last visited Hawkinsville in April of 2004. India accompanied him.

Jim and Tara communicated via email on occasion, but to the knowledge of his mother and sister, Jim and Tara have not talked on the phone or in person in several years.

Jim's parents, Jim and Joann Perry live in Hawkinsville, as does his sister Denise.

Any more questions while they are right here?

I have a question, why does he say as of march 2006, that he has NO CHILDREN? http://my.anywebcam.com/jimperry07

[luvmy2labpups]

And one more question if I might, why does he say on his myspace that he is divorced?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=35663229

[luvmy2labpups]

One more question, why does all the horse racing info state that his family lives in Hudson? http://www.northfieldpark.com/track_news.asp

Did they move back from Hudson to Hawkinsville or are the horse sites incorrect?

[luvmy2labpups]

justthinking, don't get me wrong, I don't know jim from adam, I just wonder, if Tara called Jim and said she needed/wanted to get out of town, is it possible that Jim might have thought he was helping a friend?

[BevAnn]

All good questions, luv. Justthinking - you still with us??

[BevAnn]

Looks like another hit and run?? :shrug:

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by Lindsey


That was a short marriage because he was single at the end of Oct. and still single early this year but now I find that he is DIVORCED. Wow! You're right about the new baby tho. hmmm

You aren't basing the label of being single and not wanting kids on his online dating ad, right? A married man with a kid trying to find some side action is not exactly going to advertise the fact that he is a married parent. My guess is that whatever label he gave himself on there is irrelevant to the actual timeline in his real life.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


You aren't basing the label of being single and not wanting kids on his online dating ad, right? A married man with a kid trying to find some side action is not exactly going to advertise the fact that he is a married parent. My guess is that whatever label he gave himself on there is irrelevant to the actual timeline in his real life. You don't know that do you?

[justthinking]

Originally posted by BevAnn
Looks like another hit and run?? :shrug:

Hold on a sec. I was at another site.
Again, as per his family, Jim is separated, not divorced. They cannot say definitely why he said he was divorced. Perhaps "separated" does not appeal to others on Myspace, so he put "divorced." Who knows?

Ohio? His family lives in Hawkinsville. They race horses in Ohio and several races require the horses to be from the state of Ohio. They have an Ohio address to satisfy that requirement.

His family says he would definitely help Tara if she asked for help. However, he would have contacted the family to let them know Tara was alright.

My best advice would be to move on to the next theory.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


Hold on a sec. I was at another site.
Again, as per his family, Jim is separated, not divorced. They cannot say definitely why he said he was divorced. Perhaps "separated" does not appeal to others on Myspace, so he put "divorced." Who knows?

Ohio? His family lives in Hawkinsville. They race horses in Ohio and several races require the horses to be from the state of Ohio. They have an Ohio address to satisfy that requirement.

His family says he would definitely help Tara if she asked for help. However, he would have contacted the family to let them know Tara was alright.

My best advice would be to move on to the next theory. Nah, not quite yet. Can you answer the questions I posed? Why the misinformation?

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
You don't know that do you?

I said "My guess", not "I know". And, of course, neither do you.
The man was married. The man was online with a profile specifically aimed at trying to find someone to 'date' at the same time that everyone else viewed him to be married. As far as I know, that is called cheating. Sorry if family members are reading and don't want to see that. But, obviously, they are separated now and their marriage had/has problems. So, I don't see the need to sugarcoat that very real possibility. I'm not sure why you brought his dating profiles here, if you didn't want to go there.:shrug:

[luvmy2labpups]

If he is willing to put down that he is not married, has no children, etc. and you say he would be willing to help Tara, what makes you be so sure he would be honest about that? If you are saying that he is willing to be dishonest with his marital and parental status, I would seriously question his honesty in other areas. Sorry to say that because I don't know him, but if what you are saying is TRUE, I have a hard time just accepting the notion that he would just pick up the phone and give a call, especially if he was asked not to. Let's not forget you have called his honesty into question with your posts.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Nah, not quite yet. Can you answer the questions I posed? Why the misinformation?

If your question is about the divorce and/or no children thing...I can't answer that. I just know that on several Myspace, Match, Cupid, etc. sites, I find that people often exaggerate, embellish, omit, or otherwise sway from the truth. Also, this is not the first time Jim and India have been separated.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


I said "My guess", not "I know". And, of course, neither do you.
The man was married. The man was online with a profile specifically aimed at trying to find someone to 'date' at the same time that everyone else viewed him to be married. As far as I know, that is called cheating. Sorry if family members are reading and don't want to see that. But, obviously, they are separated now and their marriage had/has problems. So, I don't see the need to sugarcoat that very real possibility. I'm not sure why you brought his dating profiles here, if you didn't want to go there.:shrug: Well with questions of honesty looming large, I would venture to say there is a wide open issue here. I don't know, but I do have questions for sure.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


If your question is about the divorce and/or no children thing...I can't answer that. I just know that on several Myspace, Match, Cupid, etc. sites, I find that people often exaggerate, embellish, omit, or otherwise sway from the truth. Also, this is not the first time Jim and India have been separated. Then there is credibility issues. I have a hard time just moving on from this if what you are saying is true. I wonder how his family feels about the things he has posted on the links provided.

[grandline]

Originally posted by guitarstring


What is the truth?

The truth is that anyone can misrepresent themselves online for whatever purposes they see fit.

It's also true that even if a link can be provided for a statement, it still does not make it "fact". It is only a fact that JP gave that information about himself...whether that info is true, false, or some gray-area in between is a whole new ballgame.

[gacountry]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=35663229

But according to this link that was provided he list himself "as a proud parent"

So this looks like he loves the child even if he had his wife might have problems.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Then there is credibility issues. I have a hard time just moving on from this if what you are saying is true. I wonder how his family feels about the things he has posted on the links provided.

How Jim's family feels about him lying about his marriage and/or child is certainly not relevant to this case. And, in all fairness, and not in defense of anyone, I have known several people who have lied about being married or separated and to my knowledge, none of them have taken part in a disappearance of an individual. Yes, I know...there is always a first.

Would an airtight alibi redirect your energies?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by gacountry
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=35663229

But according to this link that was provided he list himself "as a proud parent"

So this looks like he loves the child even if he had his wife might have problems.

Exactly my point GA, on that same link it said he is divorced, which he is not, then on this link http://my.anywebcam.com/jimperry07 he said he has no kids and is uncertain if he wants any. What changed between March and July 18th? According to Justthinking he had a baby in January. In march he said he didn't have one. :shrug:

[fsbiii]

An airtight alibi has no bearing on whether he helped her disappear, financially, or otherwise.

You've already posted that he was out of town from his home Oct. 20-25th, correct?



Originally posted by justthinking


How Jim's family feels about him lying about his marriage and/or child is certainly not relevant to this case. And, in all fairness, and not in defense of anyone, I have known several people who have lied about being married or separated and to my knowledge, none of them have taken part in a disappearance of an individual. Yes, I know...there is always a first.

Would an airtight alibi redirect your energies?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by guitarstring
gacountry, I'm assuming that as soon as his family contacted him about this, he immediately updated his profile to help himself in this area.

Anyone on myspace can update and change their personal info at any time. Today, he can be married, and tomorrow he can change it to show divorced or single or whatever. It's easy to update something after people catch a drift of something smelly.

And I'd like to ask Mr. Perry: Since when was Ohio "across the globe" ??????????????????????




Male
35 years old
HUDSON, Ohio
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Last Login: 7/18/2006
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If he has not logged into this site since 7/18 how did he change it today?

[fsbiii]

Sorry to quote & correct myself, but I see that you said he was in Ohio at that time. My bad.

Originally posted by fsbiii
An airtight alibi has no bearing on whether he helped her disappear, financially, or otherwise.

You've already posted that he was out of town from his home Oct. 20-25th, correct?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


How Jim's family feels about him lying about his marriage and/or child is certainly not relevant to this case. And, in all fairness, and not in defense of anyone, I have known several people who have lied about being married or separated and to my knowledge, none of them have taken part in a disappearance of an individual. Yes, I know...there is always a first.

Would an airtight alibi redirect your energies? Youre right his family's feelings are not relevant in this case. Even though people have lied in regard to their marital, parental status, it does not make it right, nor does it give the most comforting feeling where honesty is concerned. My question is NOT in regard to him harming Tara in any way, because I don't think Tara was harmed at all. I firmly believe that she is alive and well. I just wonder if Tara would have contacted him if she needed his help and if he would have provided that type of help.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by fsbiii
An airtight alibi has no bearing on whether he helped her disappear, financially, or otherwise.

You've already posted that he was out of town from his home Oct. 20-25th, correct?





NO!!! I said he was in Ohio during that time. Ohio is his home!

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups


Exactly my point GA, on that same link it said he is divorced, which he is not, then on this link http://my.anywebcam.com/jimperry07 he said he has no kids and is uncertain if he wants any. What changed between March and July 18th? According to Justthinking he had a baby in January. In march he said he didn't have one. :shrug: Need to correct myself, I said i it says he is divorced, which he is not...I should have follow that with "according to justthinking"

[fsbiii]

She's already posted that the family said he would help Tara if she asked...but that he would tell her family.

What if Tara asked him not to?

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Youre right his family's feelings are not relevant in this case. Even though people have lied in regard to their marital, parental status, it does not make it right, nor does it give the most comforting feeling where honesty is concerned. My question is NOT in regard to him harming Tara in any way, because I don't think Tara was harmed at all. I firmly believe that she is alive and well. I just wonder if Tara would have contacted him if she needed his help and if he would have provided that type of help.

[fsbiii]

I got that and corrected myself above. Sorry for the error.

Originally posted by justthinking


NO!!! I said he was in Ohio during that time. Ohio is his home!

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
She's already posted that the family said he would help Tara if she asked...but that he would tell her family.

What if Tara asked him not to?

Exactly fsb, if he is not honest about his marital status or his parental status, would he be honest in regard to helping Tara? I have already asked justthinking about What if Tara asked him not to tell anybody, I have not received a response to that question.

[forensicnut]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I got that and corrected myself above. Sorry for the error.



There is still a Jasper Perry and a Daniel Perry in Hawkinsville. Is Jasper his father maybe?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by forensicnut


There is still a Jasper Perry and a Daniel Perry in Hawkinsville. Is Jasper his father maybe? Hi forensicnut, good to "see" you! According to justthinking the dads name is Jim and mothers name is Joann. I don't know though.

[forensicnut]

Or.....is he a Junior?

Jim Perry Jr, (330) 405-xxxx, Hudson, OH 44236

[forensicnut]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Hi forensicnut, good to "see" you! According to justthinking the dads name is Jim and mothers name is Joann. I don't know though.

Hi!!!! I was just asking about you on the other board!

I'm going to go see if Jim Jr. has a wife listed on titile with him......

[luvmy2labpups]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by forensicnut
[B]Or.....is he a Junior?

] The jim we are talking about does live in Hudson Oh according to his myspace. However, now I have questions in that regard. :shrug:

[justthinking]

Originally posted by fsbiii
She's already posted that the family said he would help Tara if she asked...but that he would tell her family.

What if Tara asked him not to?



According to his family, Jim thinks alot of Ms. Faye. He knows that she has been through a lot with her health and now this. The family is adamant that he would not keep the family in pain......not even for Tara.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by forensicnut


Hi!!!! I was just asking about you on the other board!

I'm going to go see if Jim Jr. has a wife listed on titile with him...... Ahhhhh, I have been on here and another one. LOL

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


According to his family, Jim thinks alot of Ms. Faye. He knows that she has been through a lot with her health and now this. The family is adamant that he would not keep the family in pain......not even for Tara. They can't say for certain though. Your posts have really caused alot of questions in my mind. Especially with the honesty issue. Married or unmarried, kid or no kid? Do you understand why we have questions?

[justthinking]

Originally posted by forensicnut


There is still a Jasper Perry and a Daniel Perry in Hawkinsville. Is Jasper his father maybe?

Jim Perry, Jr.....Tara's friend now lives in Hudson, Ohio. He is in financial services.

His father, Jim Perry, Sr. lives in Hawkinsville and is a horse trainer. He also has an Ohio address for horse racing purposes.

[forensicnut]

If this is the guy.....he bought it in 2001 and no wife is on title...

2340 Old Mill Rd
Hudson OH 44236 Combined Report Printable Version
Property Information
Owner(s) Perry James G Jr / Parcel # 62-00232
Property 2340 Old Mill Rd Map Coord 00033; 3-D2
Hudson, OH 44236 Census Tract 5301.02
Mailing Addr 2340 Old Mill Rd County Summit
Hudson , OH 44236 Owner Phone 330-405-3634

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Legal TR 3 LOT 20 S OF RD OLD MILL RD 3.490A
Lot Number 20





Characteristics
Use Sfr Year Built 1974 Sq. Feet 2188
Zoning Lot Size Ac/Sq Ft 3.26 / 142005.6 # of units
Bedrooms 4 Bathrooms 3 Fireplace
#Rooms Quality Heating
Pool/Spa N Air Y Style
Stories 1 Improvements Parking Built-in
Flood C



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Attributes
Other

Property Sale Information
Sale Date 12/13/2001 $/Sq. Ft. $84.55 2nd Mtg.
Sale Price $185,000.00 1st Loan $175,750.00 Prior Sale Amt. $101,000.00
Doc No. 54636124 Loan Type Conventional Prior Sale Dt.
Doc Type Warranty Deed Xfer Date 12/18/2001 Prior Doc No.
Seller Billow Theodore Lender Abn Amro Mtg Grp Inc Prior Doc Type Deed (reg)



Tax Information
Imp Value $180,040.00 Exemption
Land Value $47,190.00 Tax Year/Area 2005/62
Total Value $227,230.00 Tax Value $227,230.00
Tax Amount $3,976.26 Improved 79%

[justthinking]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
They can't say for certain though. Your posts have really caused alot of questions in my mind. Especially with the honesty issue. Married or unmarried, kid or no kid? Do you understand why we have questions?

pups, I certainly understand your questions. I just think Tara had others that she was probably closer to that she would have asked for help...if that is the case.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by forensicnut
If this is the guy.....he bought it in 2001 and no wife is on title...

2340 Old Mill Rd
Hudson OH 44236 Combined Report Printable Version
Property Information
Owner(s) Perry James G Jr / Parcel # 62-00232
Property 2340 Old Mill Rd Map Coord 00033; 3-D2
Hudson, OH 44236 Census Tract 5301.02
Mailing Addr 2340 Old Mill Rd County Summit
Hudson , OH 44236 Owner Phone 330-405-3634

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Legal TR 3 LOT 20 S OF RD OLD MILL RD 3.490A
Lot Number 20





Characteristics
Use Sfr Year Built 1974 Sq. Feet 2188
Zoning Lot Size Ac/Sq Ft 3.26 / 142005.6 # of units
Bedrooms 4 Bathrooms 3 Fireplace
#Rooms Quality Heating
Pool/Spa N Air Y Style
Stories 1 Improvements Parking Built-in
Flood C



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Attributes
Other

Property Sale Information
Sale Date 12/13/2001 $/Sq. Ft. $84.55 2nd Mtg.
Sale Price $185,000.00 1st Loan $175,750.00 Prior Sale Amt. $101,000.00
Doc No. 54636124 Loan Type Conventional Prior Sale Dt.
Doc Type Warranty Deed Xfer Date 12/18/2001 Prior Doc No.
Seller Billow Theodore Lender Abn Amro Mtg Grp Inc Prior Doc Type Deed (reg)



Tax Information
Imp Value $180,040.00 Exemption
Land Value $47,190.00 Tax Year/Area 2005/62
Total Value $227,230.00 Tax Value $227,230.00
Tax Amount $3,976.26 Improved 79%

Jim Perry married India Peckham (a veterinarian from Cleveland, Ohio) on August 7, 2004.

[fsbiii]

Try Endia S. Peckham :)

Originally posted by guitarstring
Is India Peckham still practicing at this time as a veterinarian?

If so, maybe somebody can show me a link to her business or her status because I can't find any Dr. India Peckham, DVM as of 2003 or 2004 (since she was sitll Peckham as of those years) and I can't find any Dr. Peckham or Dr. Perry, DVM as of today's date either. I'm assuming that if she married in 2004, she would now be Dr. India Perry, right?

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


pups, I certainly understand your questions. I just think Tara had others that she was probably closer to that she would have asked for help...if that is the case. Would Maria H have helped?

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by justthinking


How Jim's family feels about him lying about his marriage and/or child is certainly not relevant to this case. And, in all fairness, and not in defense of anyone, I have known several people who have lied about being married or separated and to my knowledge, none of them have taken part in a disappearance of an individual. Yes, I know...there is always a first.

Would an airtight alibi redirect your energies?

I am sure that looking at some of this stuff is a surprise to his family, even knowing that they're separated. I am sorry that there are some things that they are finding out about this way. People do lie about their marital and parental status, I agree, especially while they're in the midst of cheating (or trying to). Not to split hairs, but there are many instances where people doing these things were directly involved in either their spouse's disappearance/murder or someone else close to them. I'm not saying that's the case here, just countering your statement about previous instances of cheating/lying and murder.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by guitarstring
Is India Peckham still practicing at this time as a veterinarian?

If so, maybe somebody can show me a link to her business or her status because I can't find any Dr. India Peckham, DVM as of 2003 or 2004 (since she was sitll Peckham as of those years) and I can't find any Dr. Peckham or Dr. Perry, DVM as of today's date either. I'm assuming that if she married in 2004, she would now be Dr. India Perry, right? I have been told that her name is spelled Endia Peckham and is still listed as Endia Peckham. So I don't know. See if that helps you.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by justthinking


According to his family, Jim thinks alot of Ms. Faye. He knows that she has been through a lot with her health and now this. The family is adamant that he would not keep the family in pain......not even for Tara.

And by all means I hope he doesn't take this personal and put it in the light of someone trying to dig up dirt.

I think a lot of people are at a point of looking in any direction they can for an answer to Tara's disappearance.

I hope he sees it in that light. Though, I will say it makes me very uncomfortable seeing his personal life being played out on a forum.

I think a simple statement allowing people to know that Jim has spoken to the authorities and has been cooperative is all that's needed. (If that is the case)

[luvmy2labpups]

Following up on the post below, if you don't feel comfortable posting on the board can you pm me? Who do you feel that Tara would have gone to if that is the case?

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Originally posted by justthinking


pups, I certainly understand your questions. I just think Tara had others that she was probably closer to that she would have asked for help...if that is the case.
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[forensicnut]

Originally posted by justthinking


Jim Perry married India Peckham (a veterinarian from Cleveland, Ohio) on August 7, 2004.

Where did you get that date? Boy, she sure is hard to find....I can't find anything on her either!

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


And by all means I hope he doesn't take this personal and put it in the light of someone trying to dig up dirt.

I think a lot of people are at a point of looking in any direction they can for an answer to Tara's disappearance.

I hope he sees it in that light. Though, I will say it makes me very uncomfortable seeing his personal life being played out on a forum.

I think a simple statement allowing people to know that Jim has spoken to the authorities and has been cooperative is all that's needed. (If that is the case)


Thank you for that post. We have watched as others have been hurt by just this sort of thing.

[forensicnut]

Ah.....her name was spelled wrong. This is according to the Ohio licensing board:

PECKHAM, ENDIA S HUDSON OH VET.8238 03/01/2008 ACTIVE


https://license.ohio.gov/lookup/default.asp

[BevAnn]

Yes, BFD, you are correct. We should leave no stone unturned, but in a respectful manner.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


And by all means I hope he doesn't take this personal and put it in the light of someone trying to dig up dirt.

I think a lot of people are at a point of looking in any direction they can for an answer to Tara's disappearance.

I hope he sees it in that light. Though, I will say it makes me very uncomfortable seeing his personal life being played out on a forum.

I think a simple statement allowing people to know that Jim has spoken to the authorities and has been cooperative is all that's needed. (If that is the case) BFD, I agree, it isn't a personal issue at all. We are all looking, hoping for answers and it would be so wonderful to be able to say YES she is alive for certain. Because I think it is the case, I look at that direction alot more then others would, but I certainly think if anything, Jim would have been a friend that Tara could have contacted. I just wondered if she did. The other stuff was posted to try and receive clarification as a result of the post from Justthinking. Those things originated from Jim himself, so if he is uncomfortable in any way with that information being on the net, he should not post it. Ya know what I mean. I hope for Jim's sake that he would contact someone if he knew Tara's whereabouts but I don't think any of us know for sure if he would. Justthinking says he would help Tara if she requested it, but justthinking also says the family is adamant that he would call the family to let them know she is ok. Would he? I don't know.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Would Maria H have helped?

I don't know. I would be hard for me to believe that anyone who participated would be able to keep it going on for this long. I could cover for a friend for a weekend...but this long?

Too, I don't think Maria would do this to Ms. Faye either.

[forensicnut]

I found the address that he, some other lady and Endia are listed. I'm not going to post it here, since I don't think it's relevant but, it sure does sound like they're still together.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


I don't know. I would be hard for me to believe that anyone who participated would be able to keep it going on for this long. I could cover for a friend for a weekend...but this long?

Too, I don't think Maria would do this to Ms. Faye either. I guess I wonder where a friends loyalty would be. If Tara requested help and asked a friend not to say anything, would a friend be loyal enough to respect Tara's wishes if they knew why she was requesting that? This is a hypothetical, but I am sure you understand what I mean.

[fsbiii]

"Maria is a married mother of 3, special education teacher, foster parent to a former cheerleader, and friend to many. I am sure she probably has secrets about Tara that she will take to her grave with her....because that's what best friends do."

Does anyone remember that post?

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by forensicnut


Where did you get that date? Boy, she sure is hard to find....I can't find anything on her either!

I think the mix-up is that her correct name starts off with an 'E' but is pronounced just like the country India and has gotten re-written as such here.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"Maria is a married mother of 3, special education teacher, foster parent to a former cheerleader, and friend to many. I am sure she probably has secrets about Tara that she will take to her grave with her....because that's what best friends do."

Does anyone remember that post? Yeah, I do and I wondered what it meant.

[BevAnn]

oooo oooo ooo!! *hand in the air* best Horseshack impression

I DO!! :D

[Elle_Woods]

Originally posted by forensicnut
Ah.....her name was spelled wrong. This is according to the Ohio licensing board:

PECKHAM, ENDIA S HUDSON OH VET.8238 03/01/2008 ACTIVE


https://license.ohio.gov/lookup/default.asp

Forgot to hit refresh and posted before I saw your updated one. :cool:

[justthinking]

I am glad to help out any of my friends. And I have some secrets about my friends that I will take to my grave. I would like to consider myself as loyal, but at the expense of countless others who have been hurting for months now. Not to mention the other lives associated with this case that are just short of being ruined. The time, the money?

If Tara left of her own volition, I think it would have to be one of the most selfish acts imaginable. I have weighed that theory time and time again. Forgive me, I just don't think that is the case.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by justthinking
I am glad to help out any of my friends. And I have some secrets about my friends that I will take to my grave. I would like to consider myself as loyal, but at the expense of countless others who have been hurting for months now. Not to mention the other lives associated with this case that are just short of being ruined. The time, the money?

If Tara left of her own volition, I think it would have to be one of the most selfish acts imaginable. I have weighed that theory time and time again. Forgive me, I just don't think that is the case.

Exactly. Let us all think back, these girls were friend from way back. Think about the times all of us slipped out, or got drunk, or left with a bad boy or girl, or shop lifted that bracelet parents said no to, or went out with a married man and the list goes on. Any of us that ever had a true forever friend will take things to our graves about them. That is what friends or for. But if this friend knew any thing about Tara's whereabouts and saw how bad Mrs. Faye and Billy is hurting she would have told it months ago. All In My Own Opinion thinking of My best forever friend.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by fsbiii
"Maria is a married mother of 3, special education teacher, foster parent to a former cheerleader, and friend to many. I am sure she probably has secrets about Tara that she will take to her grave with her....because that's what best friends do."

I SAID IT!! And I stand by it. The operative word in the above statement is SECRETS. I think there is a big difference between having secrets among girlfriends and hiding a person at the nation's expense. What a cruel joke that would be! No!, Maria would not do that. I may eat these words later, but as of now, I stand firmly

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
I am glad to help out any of my friends. And I have some secrets about my friends that I will take to my grave. I would like to consider myself as loyal, but at the expense of countless others who have been hurting for months now. Not to mention the other lives associated with this case that are just short of being ruined. The time, the money?

If Tara left of her own volition, I think it would have to be one of the most selfish acts imaginable. I have weighed that theory time and time again. Forgive me, I just don't think that is the case. Obviously you have weighed that scenario so you also think it could be possible right? No matter how remote a chance you think it is right? Yes in my eyes it would be a selfish thing to do, but nobody stands in ones shoes who does that type of thing so to judge a person without understanding or knowing that reason is not entirely fair either. I guess I believe all things are possible and I really believe in my heart that she is alive. I know there is alot of rumors out there but there is too much rumor out there to ignore. Does that make sense?

[justthinking]

Originally posted by gacountry


Exactly. Let us all think back, these girls were friend from way back. Think about the times all of us slipped out, or got drunk, or left with a bad boy or girl, or shop lifted that bracelet parents said no to, or went out with a married man and the list goes on. Any of us that ever had a true forever friend will take things to our graves about them. That is what friends or for. But if this friend knew any thing about Tara's whereabouts and saw how bad Mrs. Faye and Billy is hurting she would have told it months ago. All In My Own Opinion thinking of My best forever friend.

Amen! Finally, someone I can relate to!

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
Originally posted by fsbiii
"Maria is a married mother of 3, special education teacher, foster parent to a former cheerleader, and friend to many. I am sure she probably has secrets about Tara that she will take to her grave with her....because that's what best friends do."

I SAID IT!! And I stand by it. The operative word in the above statement is SECRETS. I think there is a big difference between having secrets among girlfriends and hiding a person at the nation's expense. What a cruel joke that would be! No!, Maria would not do that. I may eat these words later, but as of now, I stand firmly You mentioned earlier that there would be others that Tara would call if she needed/wanted to get away, who do you think that would be?

[justthinking]

I don't know who she would have turned to. According Jim's family, in recent years, they were not as close as they used to be. Families, school, distance.

[fsbiii]

justthinking-

For the record, I am glad you have been on today to talk about this stuff. I do sense some hesitation in your beliefs though. Mentioning "eating your words" if it turned out that Maria helped, etc., and weighing the possibility that Tara may have left on her own...you're not dead set one way or another, and I appreciate that from someone with information to share.

My point is that the possibility of Tara being selfish and leaving is THERE, and it shouldn't be dismissed by ANYONE due to the lack of evidence to prove anything else. The drama usually pops up when someone is ADAMANT on a position and refuses to listen, debate, or even acknowledge a possibility that isn't "sponsored" by a particular faction.

I have no clue what happened to Tara, for the record. I hope she's alive, I hope she was selfish, I hope her family gets answers one way or another in the near future. Some people don't like to hear that, but that's where I stand.

[forensicnut]

Originally posted by Elle_Woods


Forgot to hit refresh and posted before I saw your updated one. :cool:

I hate it when that happens. I do it all the time.....:lol:

Any idea who Allyson Perry is? She is listed at the same address as Endia and James.

[justthinking]

fsbiii:

I respect your opinion. I just think that we need to avoid tunnel vision.

I can't imagine taking classes for half of a semester if I did not plan to finish. I would make it light on myself. Too, her appearance of the day of her disappearance did not seem to be one of a person in a state of devastation. I also think, for the most part, that her depression and anxiety were situational, not chronic.

[fsbiii]

Thanks!

I do see many circumstances, on the surface, that would seemingly indicate she would NOT vanish on her own. But I have also learned things and circumstances that lean in the entirely opposite direction. That's why it's difficult to discuss it with anyone who has a "set" outcome on everything. There's nothing out there that proves anything one way or another, IMO.

Originally posted by justthinking
fsbiii:

I respect your opinion. I just think that we need to avoid tunnel vision.

I can't imagine taking classes for half of a semester if I did not plan to finish. I would make it light on myself. Too, her appearance of the day of her disappearance did not seem to be one of a person in a state of devastation. I also think, for the most part, that her depression and anxiety were situational, not chronic.

[justthinking]

According to Jim via a phone interview, he last spoke to Tara after he got married. He phoned her to tell her about the marriage. She congratulated him on his marriage and he congratulated her on her engagement.

He subscribed to MySpace after an argument with wife and for the sole purpose of attracting other adults. In his words, "Being divorced with no children attracts more people than being happily married with children." He did not change his status because his marriage was continuing go south. He was keeping his options open. He has not been very active on MySpace as evidenced by his last visit.

He posted a message because of his concern for Tara and her family. He resents the fact that you guys continue to dig up petty stuff. He is more than happy to answer any questions any investigators might have. He wishes for this to be solved just like everyone else does. You guys have his number.

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by justthinking
According to Jim via a phone interview, he last spoke to Tara after he got married. He phoned her to tell her about the marriage. She congratulated him on his marriage and he congratulated her on her engagement.

He subscribed to MySpace after an argument with wife and for the sole purpose of attracting other adults. In his words, "Being divorced with no children attracts more people than being happily married with children." He did not change his status because his marriage was continuing go south. He was keeping his options open. He has not been very active on MySpace as evidenced by his last visit.

He posted a message because of his concern for Tara and her family. He resents the fact that you guys continue to dig up petty stuff. He is more than happy to answer any questions any investigators might have. He wishes for this to be solved just like everyone else does. You guys have his number.



What engagement?

[concernedperson]

Posting about this man's knowing Tara and a possibility in helpng her is different than posting all his personal info. The house info and phone number should not be posted. This is invading his privacy and subjecting him to lunatics.

[justthinking]

Jim said they discussed her planning to marry MH. He said there was no formal engagement they he knew of. He stands corrected. She definitely had plans to marry MH. She told this to Jim's family as well.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Posting about this man's knowing Tara and a possibility in helpng her is different than posting all his personal info. The house info and phone number should not be posted. This is invading his privacy and subjecting him to lunatics.

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by concernedperson
Posting about this man's knowing Tara and a possibility in helpng her is different than posting all his personal info. The house info and phone number should not be posted. This is invading his privacy and subjecting him to lunatics.

concernedperson,

I agree...hopefully we can get the poster, or the moderator to remove or xxxxxxxx out some of the info.



:read:

[hypnotized]

Originally posted by justthinking
Jim said they discussed her planning to marry MH. He said there was no formal engagement they he knew of. He stands corrected. She definitely had plans to marry MH. She told this to Jim's family as well.


justthinking,

Thank you. This is the first I had "heard" of an engagement. Do you know if their conversation would have taken place in 2004 or 2005?

[justthinking]

Late July or early August 2004. She told Jim that she was going to marry this man. She as dating MH at the time. He assumed from that conversation that she was engaged.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
According to Jim via a phone interview, he last spoke to Tara after he got married. He phoned her to tell her about the marriage. She congratulated him on his marriage and he congratulated her on her engagement.

He subscribed to MySpace after an argument with wife and for the sole purpose of attracting other adults. In his words, "Being divorced with no children attracts more people than being happily married with children." He did not change his status because his marriage was continuing go south. He was keeping his options open. He has not been very active on MySpace as evidenced by his last visit.

He posted a message because of his concern for Tara and her family. He resents the fact that you guys continue to dig up petty stuff. He is more than happy to answer any questions any investigators might have. He wishes for this to be solved just like everyone else does. You guys have his number. phone interview? Why does he resent the fact that people have questions in regard to what HE and YOU posted? I am sure he is well aware that all things concerning Tara are in question right now and by posting this stuff, people want to understand the truth. When you post something as fact and he says something different, who and what are we to believe. He knows how to pm, if he wants to pm anybody he can feel free. I would certainly hope that nobody would call him and question him, that is not our place to do that. We are simply asking questions of you in regard to your post.

[forensicnut]

Originally posted by justthinking
According to Jim via a phone interview, he last spoke to Tara after he got married. He phoned her to tell her about the marriage. She congratulated him on his marriage and he congratulated her on her engagement.

He subscribed to MySpace after an argument with wife and for the sole purpose of attracting other adults. In his words, "Being divorced with no children attracts more people than being happily married with children." He did not change his status because his marriage was continuing go south. He was keeping his options open. He has not been very active on MySpace as evidenced by his last visit.

He posted a message because of his concern for Tara and her family. He resents the fact that you guys continue to dig up petty stuff. He is more than happy to answer any questions any investigators might have. He wishes for this to be solved just like everyone else does. You guys have his number.

Can you bump his message? I'll quit posting about him. I feel bad now.

[justthinking]

Jim and I are friends. I called him on his cell phone because I wanted to know. He was not near a computer and asked me to clarify some things. I was not bothering him...not nearly as much as not responding to accusations.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
Jim and I are friends. I called him on his cell phone because I wanted to know. He was not near a computer and asked me to clarify some things. I was not bothering him...not nearly as much as not responding to accusations. I don't believe I have seen one accusation all day. Other then questioning why you have said one thing and he has said another. Please clarify, WHO has accused him of anything?

[justthinking]

pups:

You aren't looking for Tara. You are on a witch hunt!! Stoking that fire????

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
pups:

You aren't looking for Tara. You are on a witch hunt!! Stoking that fire???? Really? And what witch hunt would that be? If anything I have seen a witch hunt with regard to mh, sf and a few others. Now that is a witch hunt. When you post things on this board as fact, you can expect to be questioned if there is something to the contrary, in fact, there was so I questioned you. I am sorry YOU don't like it but YOU were the one who posted the information RIGHT? I stayed off this thread until YOU posted something that was totally different than what he said. Now if you call that a witch hunt then so be it.

[justthinking]

For those of you who had legitimate questions, I hope I have answered at least some of them. I wish I could do more.

I am out of here.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
I don't believe I have seen one accusation all day. Other then questioning why you have said one thing and he has said another. Please clarify, WHO has accused him of anything?

pups,
Took you off ignore so I could get a good look at this:
read back see who posted all the links with Mr. Perrys info for the world to see, then go back to TT and ask the admin's there how this feels. We all saw what they went through and you were right there to condemn what you did today to someone else. It was not right then and its not right now. Then think about the fact that once again we had a poster that had real info and was willing to share, even had his mom and sister over to get facts right. Facts not theory. Then she even had Mr. Perry on a cell call, well looks like thats one more good source of real info we can kiss goodbye.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Really? And what witch hunt would that be? If anything I have seen a witch hunt with regard to mh, sf and a few others. Now that is a witch hunt. When you post things on this board as fact, you can expect to be questioned if there is something to the contrary, in fact, there was so I questioned you. I am sorry YOU don't like it but YOU were the one who posted the information RIGHT? I stayed off this thread until YOU posted something that was totally different than what he said. Now if you call that a witch hunt then so be it.

What I posted here today was FACT. Except, of course, the spelling of Endia's name. Cyber profiles, for the most part, are fantasy. What Jim put on his profiles was for entertainment and recreational purposes. On the other side of computer, he can be anyone he wishes.....a 6'3" blond millionaire with a twelve pack, when in fact I know he's not. It happens all the time.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by gacountry


pups,
Took you off ignore so I could get a good look at this:
read back see who posted all the links with Mr. Perrys info for the world to see, then go back to TT and ask the admin's there how this feels. We all saw what they went through and you were right there to condemn what you did today to someone else. It was not right then and its not right now. Then think about the fact that once again we had a poster that had real info and was willing to share, even had his mom and sister over to get facts right. Facts not theory. Then she even had Mr. Perry on a cell call, well looks like thats one more good source of real info we can kiss goodbye. Ok GA country, when she came on here posting something, it was absolutely in complete opposite to what Jim was saying, was it not? Do you allow things that you feel are incorrect or that you have questions about go unchallanged? I would say not. I don't either. The beauty of this forum is to share our opinions, question, and run things by each other. I have wondered aloud on this forum if there was ANBODY, not just jim that Tara could have contacted if she wanted/needed to if she wanted to leave. I sit here in utter disbelief that anybody would not question why this poster is saying one thing when he says another and everything is just accepted. Then AG along with numerous others and you know who I mean have outright said that MH had motive, training, etc and that is simply just ok. Why is that? I specifically have stated a number of times, I DON'T THINK TARA IS DEAD, I think she is alive and well, so I search in that direction. I never once accused Jim of doing anything. I asked if he would help Tara if she asked him to and the answer received was YES. Now, you as well as I know that the possibility of Tara leaving on her own or with help cannot be ruled out at this time. I fully believe and stated such that if anything I believe Jim would be a friend that maybe Tara would call. I wanted to know if she had. Heck, I even asked Justthinking if Maria H would help tara if she wanted or needed to get away. Just thinking couldn't imagine it, she said there were others Tara was closer to that she could call, I asked who, she didn't know who. I am willing to look at anything, but cannot and will not rule out the possibility that she is still alive. I know this bothers some but that is the way I feel. I don't seek to change YOUR opinion, I fully understand what you think happened, I just dont feel that way. That is ok. I thought we understood that it was ok to disagree. In as much as you think asking justthinking questions was wrong, she was the one who brought personal information to this forum, not me, I didn't even post on this thread until that post. So if anything you should be upset that justthinking posted where he lives, who he is married to, his childs name, his parents name and where they live, his wifes profession, etc. That is far, far more personal than anything I posted. For that Jim ought to be upset. I didn't ask for that information, nor did anybody else. I just posted links to things HE posted. I am sorry to offend anyone, that certainly was not my intention, I wanted clarification and hoped for a bright spot in the possibility that Tara may be alive. If all you want to do is think negative, then I can't change that. I will continue and my belief and pray that I am right. Again, sorry to offend.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking


What I posted here today was FACT. Except, of course, the spelling of Endia's name. Cyber profiles, for the most part, are fantasy. What Jim put on his profiles was for entertainment and recreational purposes. On the other side of computer, he can be anyone he wishes.....a 6'3" blond millionaire with a twelve pack, when in fact I know he's not. It happens all the time. That is true, and I am sure lots of people do it, but I certainly hope you are not saying it was right or proper.

[gacountry]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
That is true, and I am sure lots of people do it, but I certainly hope you are not saying it was right or proper.

How can we even compare what is right or proper to a myspace or date match forum. There is none, what he tells his Mama or his wife would be of importance but most all young people live another life on myspace pages. I have seen lots of them and I run to cover my Grands eyes for fear she might have gotten a peep. They go there to be something they wannabe not necessarly what they are. I wish all posters would keep the myspace info away, WOULD it stand in Court? I don't think so.

I have seen so many people come on here wanting to help and they are treated rudely or just flat out called lairs. IF we want this to be a board where people that really know something will come we best watch our actions.

Some or so quick to pin tunnel vision or CB follower or whatever on everyone, that a lot of people will not post here. And on the other hand a lot of things are said about TT or all boards. Is that right? NO.

I would be so afraid to post what you did about "I pray" because YOU know what I have been through for that.

Lets just be careful to realize we all have opinions and work through them without hate and childish immature post as we have all seen. Pups, this is not all for you it just needed saying and I said it. There is two sides to every coin but it takes both sides to buy a coke.

I hope no one takes this wrong but today has shown how things can get out of hand.

[Elle_Woods]

If Jim had come here personally and told us all that he was unmarried and minus children, then I could see the big concern over whether what justthinking said matched. But, it's like people are forgetting that this whole thing about "what Jim said" came from an online profile he had created specifically to find dates while he was married (which he has, as far as I can tell, admitted to now). Hypothetically, if a guy masquerading as single contacts you, then his wife intervened and informed you that he was her husband - who are you going to be mad at? The wife because what she's saying doesn't fit with what the guy said online? lol Maybe this is why there's so much internet cheating going on, people believe the guy and his profile more than the reality. :read:

I know that justthinking is not his wife, before anyone says that, but she was posting from the viewpoint as someone who knew his real life - not what he was doing behind people's backs on the internet. Also, does anyone really think that his mother and sister knew that he had ads like that online? Keep in mind those were the original people that justthinking was talking to and they were probably just as shocked as you or I that he was posting things on the internet like that while married w/ a new baby.

[fsbiii]

Mr. Perry made an odd posting on 10-26-05, and he has been investigated thoroughly, it seems, by the GBI as well as the online sleuths. His address and his phone number are easily found online. Justthinking supplied information to negate many of the rumors and clear up the contradictions (or lies) on his various online profiles. I see no problem with "today" or the manner in which information was actually verified, negated, and concluded. It was actually a nice change of pace from the usual backstabbing, lying, framing, innuendoes, and hatred that fills this case due to personal agendas and hidden secrets.

Mr. Perry took a stand, through the help of a friend, to clear up many things. I only wish a few others would do the same thing.

[fsbiii]

I think people on this thread were searching for the truth and some answers and not just "out to get" Jim Perry.

I can't say the same for the majority of the postings on another board where people are intentionally defamed and their every move (and piece of furniture) monitored by psychos full of anger and spite because people don't agree with their pigeonholed theory on what happened to Tara.

[Elle_Woods]

I think this has been a fairly productive topic, minus some personal details, and it was good to be able to get information so quickly (within only 4 thread pages too :eek: lol).

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by fsbiii
I think people on this thread were searching for the truth and some answers and not just "out to get" Jim Perry.

I can't say the same for the majority of the postings on another board where people are intentionally defamed and their every move (and piece of furniture) monitored by psychos full of anger and spite because people don't agree with their pigeonholed theory on what happened to Tara.

I agree.

And a big thank you to justthnking, and also to Jim for opening up to us here.

You didn't have to, but you did and I think a lot of questons have been answered.

[Rick Karon]

Every body here hides behind a nickname and postures. To rip some body for posturing omn my space is hypocritical to me because at least on myspace some folks use there real names.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by gacountry


How can we even compare what is right or proper to a myspace or date match forum. There is none, what he tells his Mama or his wife would be of importance but most all young people live another life on myspace pages. I have seen lots of them and I run to cover my Grands eyes for fear she might have gotten a peep. They go there to be something they wannabe not necessarly what they are. I wish all posters would keep the myspace info away, WOULD it stand in Court? I don't think so.

I have seen so many people come on here wanting to help and they are treated rudely or just flat out called lairs. IF we want this to be a board where people that really know something will come we best watch our actions.

Some or so quick to pin tunnel vision or CB follower or whatever on everyone, that a lot of people will not post here. And on the other hand a lot of things are said about TT or all boards. Is that right? NO.

I would be so afraid to post what you did about "I pray" because YOU know what I have been through for that.

Lets just be careful to realize we all have opinions and work through them without hate and childish immature post as we have all seen. Pups, this is not all for you it just needed saying and I said it. There is two sides to every coin but it takes both sides to buy a coke.

I hope no one takes this wrong but today has shown how things can get out of hand. I am well aware that there are differing opinions, none of which I seek to change. I think Praying for Tara to be alive, vs. praying and degrading are two different things. Which, I am sure you will admit has happened on more then one occassion. It isn't your prayer I take issue with, it is the premise behind many other posts of those who seek harm on others, revenge, hurt, etc. I firmly believe that in itself is hypocritical. I don't believe today was out of hand, I believe for the most part, all stayed respectful and asked questions. Aside from a remark or two that was unnecessary, I believe we had open conversation, something that has been lacking from this forum. I still don't agree with a married father putting on a different persona, which justthinking said he did when he was seperated and never changed because the marriage was going south. The fact is, he is married and has a kid if we go by what justthinking has told us today. There should be no mistake, he put something different, which imo is less then honest and not something I can agree with. However, to each his own. I also want to remind you that you posted a link to his myspace as well, not that I see harm in it as you were trying to make a point, but remember, when I posted it was because I was asking a question in regard to the difference between what justthinking said and what jim said and if I didn't post a link I would have been asked for a link. I don't think that anybody is closed off to differing scenarios, I think everyone has their own thoughts but certainly not closed off to other options. I welcome anybody on this board to come with facts, we have so few, I think the questions come when someone posts something as fact when it can't be verified. This forum is ripe with rumor and speculation being flipped off as fact. None of us were there so we cannot possibly know and to blame, point fingers or harm someone because a poster wants their opinion to be so is plain wrong. I would love to see open discussion with regard to scenario without blame. Right now the blame game has been rampant and has still gotten everyone nowhere. With that said, I believe there are some very fine minds on this board that can bring an awful lot to the table if all are willing to just be open. Off my soapbox.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Rick Karon
Every body here hides behind a nickname and postures. To rip some body for posturing omn my space is hypocritical to me because at least on myspace some folks use there real names. I don't think anybody ripped anybody apart. The poster justthinking shared some very personal information and posted it as fact, as a result it caused questions. Very reasonable to have questions in that regard. Even just thinking said they understood why there were questions.

[fsbiii]

Nice jab, "Mukato." We're opining on different forums, but I think you're well aware of that.

Originally posted by Mukato


Oh yes, I know the forum you speak of. They are simply awful aren't they? I wouldn't be a hero member there if they paid me to. I think CTV is definitely the place to be for truth, honesty and devine understanding.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mukato


Anybody could lie on those types of profiles. Many of them have ridiculous ages like 99 years old, or 102 years old, etc. and have outrageous hobbies listed, etc. Maybe it was some different image he wanted to project at the time while he got his life in order otherwise, who knows? But I don't think it's anyone's business anyway in this case. Maybe you don't even have "two lab pups" but your name says you do. Maybe it was something simple like that. People do that all the time. No offense, I am trying to make an example. Sure, anybody could lie and be what they want to be, but it doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean there aren't going to be questions about it. Like I posted earlier, I stayed clear of this thread until the post from justthinking and I had some questions, so I asked. I am glad today was a day of open discussion.




BTW: I really do have 2 labs. LOL

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by Mukato


Oh yes, I know the forum you speak of. They are simply awful aren't they? I wouldn't be a hero member there if they paid me to. I think CTV is definitely the place to be for truth, honesty and devine understanding. Now see, we were going along just fine, why was this necessary?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Now see, we were going along just fine, why was this necessary?


?????what forum has hero members????I have been around for a long time but hero members is new to me.

[fsbiii]

At TalkTara, members with 500+ posts get the label "Hero Member." There is a label attached to each plateau of 100 posts or something like that. It's not anything more than that, but "Mukato" obviously wanted to make a jab at me (and others in the category, I imagine). No worries though, the skin has gotten thicker by the day. I'm only a hero for my 3 year old, but I don't mind the username label one bit.



Originally posted by gacountry

?????what forum has hero members????I have been around for a long time but hero members is new to me.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by gacountry



?????what forum has hero members????I have been around for a long time but hero members is new to me. I thought all forums considered their members HEROS.:shrug:

[gacountry]

Originally posted by fsbiii
At TalkTara, members with 500+ posts get the label "Hero Member." There is a label attached to each plateau of 100 posts or something like that. It's not anything more than that, but "Mukato" obviously wanted to make a jab at me (and others in the category, I imagine). No worries though, the skin has gotten thicker by the day. I'm only a hero for my 3 year old, but I don't mind the username label one bit.





Thank you for clearing that up, this must have been before I left TT, I honestly did not know what a hero member was. I can relate to the hero too, you have a 3 year old and my Grand is 4, she opens my eyes to the real world everyday just as I am sure yours does.

[justthinking]

Hello to all. Today is a new day. Yesterday was quite taxing, but somewhat productive. I think for the most part, the questions and answers concerning Jim Perry will allow us to move forward via process of elimination of those who may have aided Tara in a voluntary disappearance. I was more than happy to help, if I indeed did, and Jim was glad to clear up any questions that may have loomed since his initial post to the family.

For those of you who may not have seen it yet, Seamus McGraw contacted Jim last night at his home for an interview. Jim graciously obliged, and the article is on the CrimeLibrary homepage under Tara.

I hope this will serve as a lesson to us all. Most people in question are glad to anwer any questions we might have. Most of them have nothing to hide and are more than willing to help out any way they can. As Jim said in the article, "Specualtion should only follow investigation." Well said!

[lighthousedazy]

Originally posted by justthinking
Hello to all. Today is a new day. Yesterday was quite taxing, but somewhat productive. I think for the most part, the questions and answers concerning Jim Perry will allow us to move forward via process of elimination of those who may have aided Tara in a voluntary disappearance. I was more than happy to help, if I indeed did, and Jim was glad to clear up any questions that may have loomed since his initial post to the family.

For those of you who may not have seen it yet, Seamus McGraw contacted Jim last night at his home for an interview. Jim graciously obliged, and the article is on the CrimeLibrary homepage under Tara.

I hope this will serve as a lesson to us all. Most people in question are glad to anwer any questions we might have. Most of them have nothing to hide and are more than willing to help out any way they can. As Jim said in the article, "Specualtion should only follow investigation." Well said! Thanks Justthinking. We do appreciate your input.:)

[fsbiii]

Interesting article. I wish the author had included the reasons the "amateur sleuths" were curious about Mr. Perry, such as the inconsistences and lies on his profiles about his marital and parental status. There was some investigating before the speculating, IMO, but that didn't make the article. I also believe the authors of these articles are just as much amateur sleuths as the rest of us.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by justthinking
Hello to all. Today is a new day. Yesterday was quite taxing, but somewhat productive. I think for the most part, the questions and answers concerning Jim Perry will allow us to move forward via process of elimination of those who may have aided Tara in a voluntary disappearance. I was more than happy to help, if I indeed did, and Jim was glad to clear up any questions that may have loomed since his initial post to the family.

For those of you who may not have seen it yet, Seamus McGraw contacted Jim last night at his home for an interview. Jim graciously obliged, and the article is on the CrimeLibrary homepage under Tara.

I hope this will serve as a lesson to us all. Most people in question are glad to anwer any questions we might have. Most of them have nothing to hide and are more than willing to help out any way they can. As Jim said in the article, "Specualtion should only follow investigation." Well said!

I am so glad this has turned into a positive situation and didn't spiral downhill into a mudslinging mess.

KUDOS to you justthinking........and to Mr. Perry.

I hope he can return to his normal life after this little intrusion.

[scubadvr99]

While reading the events as they unfolded. I didn't think that this was a productive session. I felt that it was an attack on a person that knew Tara from yrs ago and kept in touch.

I hope the water clan will bear with me while I post my opinion. I was banned from the CB board for doing the same.

I know that when I first started posting, I didn't agree with a lot of personal things that were being said and was told that "every avenue had to be looked at". A lot of times there are things that I don't think need to be looked at or discussed in open forum but should remain in PM's.

I feel sorry for this young man, because apparently he is going through a difficult time with his family. And just because of his past association of Tara, his life and struggles in his life now have been put in the spotlight. Live is difficult enough with out having this happen from posting a heartfelt thought about someone you knew/know.

I don't agree with the posters regarding looking into his personal problems just as I didn't agree with the "suicide for dummies" comment on the CB board.

The tragedy of a young woman missing/harmed doesn't give us the right to be irresponsible and put someone in the spotlight because they were friends. I just don't see the purpose of causing problems just because of association.

While I know that my opinions of right/wrong may not be in agreement with posters, I do appreciate the opportunity to post.

This was my "tree to hug" today...

scuba :seeya:

[fsbiii]

Where was the "attack" of Mr. Perry? I believe that he put himself out there by posting the heartfelt sentiment online (as opposed to a card or phone call) and he also put himself out there with the online profiles and the details on each of them. His mother and sister provided SPECIFIC information that was posted on this forum by their friend, justthinking. I just don't see the "attack" or "harm" caused to Mr. Perry in light of the above. But I respect your opinion, and you know that!

Originally posted by scubadvr99
While reading the events as they unfolded. I didn't think that this was a productive session. I felt that it was an attack on a person that knew Tara from yrs ago and kept in touch.

I hope the water clan will bear with me while I post my opinion. I was banned from the CB board for doing the same.

I know that when I first started posting, I didn't agree with a lot of personal things that were being said and was told that "every avenue had to be looked at". A lot of times there are things that I don't think need to be looked at or discussed in open forum but should remain in PM's.

I feel sorry for this young man, because apparently he is going through a difficult time with his family. And just because of his past association of Tara, his life and struggles in his life now have been put in the spotlight. Live is difficult enough with out having this happen from posting a heartfelt thought about someone you knew/know.

I don't agree with the posters regarding looking into his personal problems just as I didn't agree with the "suicide for dummies" comment on the CB board.

The tragedy of a young woman missing/harmed doesn't give us the right to be irresponsible and put someone in the spotlight because they were friends. I just don't see the purpose of causing problems just because of association.

While I know that my opinions of right/wrong may not be in agreement with posters, I do appreciate the opportunity to post.

This was my "tree to hug" today...

scuba :seeya:

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by scubadvr99
*snip*
The tragedy of a young woman missing/harmed doesn't give us the right to be irresponsible and put someone in the spotlight because they were friends. I just don't see the purpose of causing problems just because of association.

While I know that my opinions of right/wrong may not be in agreement with posters, I do appreciate the opportunity to post.

This was my "tree to hug" today...

scuba :seeya:


Scuba, I agree with you..somewhat. However, Mr. Perry was in the spotlight, not because some one dragged up old school friends of Tara's and started investigating one by one - Mr. Perry was in the spotlight because HE himself POSTED about his relationship with Tara, 2 days after she went missing. People have to take resonsibility for their own actions - including those they take on the internet.

You post someplace with your name - you are now open for a google search that will tell ANYone EVERY thing about you. Fair or not, we all know the rules of surfing the web. You get caught in a lie on whatever website you've created for yourself...well, you may have to answer for that.

I think these days, many people are learning more and more, that putting yourself out there, isn't such a smart idea...

Just my opinion. :)

[justthinking]

M71: I am with you on a lot of this. Why JP, why now? However, I don't think he exited the stage quickly, I just think his act ended. Unless of course, there is a request for an encore.

I, unlike others on this thread, choose to believe Tara met with foul play. Before all of you start to scream, I know THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST FOUL PLAY. I believe the person responsible is methodical, knowledgable of crime scene investigations, highly skilled at disposing evidence, formerly in the military where he participated in action, and is currently in law enforcement.

Let me say this loudly: I DO NOT THINK MARCUS HARPER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DISAPPEARANCE OF TARA GRINSTEAD.

I am not a MH hater and I have never met him.

[scubadvr99]

Originally posted by fsbiii
Where was the "attack" of Mr. Perry? I believe that he put himself out there by posting the heartfelt sentiment online (as opposed to a card or phone call) and he also put himself out there with the online profiles and the details on each of them. His mother and sister provided SPECIFIC information that was posted on this forum by their friend, justthinking. I just don't see the "attack" or "harm" caused to Mr. Perry in light of the above. But I respect your opinion, and you know that!



LOL... fsbiii, I knew I would hear from you on this one. You know I respect your opinion and knowledge too. I just felt like this brought this man's life/problems into the spotlight based on a comment/heartfelt thought from him on another board.

I know that when something happens to one of my friends I go to the obit online and post how much I cared about the person because of what they meant to me in the past. I saw his post as being like this. Caring about someone he knew, anger at someone for harming her, and hoping for her safe return.

There were some posts/thoughts that caught my attention on the board as odd, but this was not one of them. I felt that it was a post letting family/friends that he was saddened by her missing and how much he thought of her.

Still "hugging the tree" LOL!!

scuba :seeya:

[justthinking]

Not in or from Ocilla. MOO!!!

[justthinking]

Sorry, not HD either.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by justthinking
M71: I am with you on a lot of this. Why JP, why now? However, I don't think he exited the stage quickly, I just think his act ended. Unless of course, there is a request for an encore.

I, unlike others on this thread, choose to believe Tara met with foul play. Before all of you start to scream, I know THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST FOUL PLAY. I believe the person responsible is methodical, knowledgable of crime scene investigations, highly skilled at disposing evidence, formerly in the military where he participated in action, and is currently in law enforcement.

Let me say this loudly: I DO NOT THINK MARCUS HARPER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DISAPPEARANCE OF TARA GRINSTEAD.

I am not a MH hater and I have never met him.

Do you have a particular person you are describing? Or these are the traits that a poi might have ?

[luvmy2labpups]

Ok, heres my take on the article, I don't feel that it was exactly accurate in that most of the VERY personal information came from the poster justthinking that said they along with jim's mother and sister were providing the information. Nobody asked for that personal information, nor did they need to post it. The thread kicked up a storm as a result of posts by justthinking. You also need to remember that Jim himself posted information on the internet which was different then what Justthinkining, jims mother and jims sister were saying. When asking questions in regard to something Jim stated, you are supposed to provide links to back yourself up. (Something to do with TOS lol) That is what I did. If I had not provided links, I would have been chastised. (as many of you saw happen the other day) So while I understand the gist of the article, I don't believe it was entirely accurate nor fair to those who had questions. Isn't that what we are supposed to do on the forum, ask questions? The article left me wondering if Jim was angered by his friend, mother and sister posting personal information or just posters who asked questions as a result. The article and his willingness to provide information for the article just reiterated all things posted, so in a way it negates his desire for privacy, doesn't it? In otherwords, why request privacy, at the same time providing personal information for an article written for a national platform? You know what I mean? However, I assume he did it to "clear the air", which is understandable. I think yesterday was beneficial and cleared up many questions and I appreciate actually getting answers to questions (finally). I wish there were more people willing to come on and answer questions. No matter how you feel justthinking, I am not on a witchhunt, I want answers just like everyone on this forum does. We all very much care and want to know what happened to Tara.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by justthinking
M71: I am with you on a lot of this. Why JP, why now? However, I don't think he exited the stage quickly, I just think his act ended. Unless of course, there is a request for an encore.

I, unlike others on this thread, choose to believe Tara met with foul play. Before all of you start to scream, I know THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST FOUL PLAY. I believe the person responsible is methodical, knowledgable of crime scene investigations, highly skilled at disposing evidence, formerly in the military where he participated in action, and is currently in law enforcement.

Let me say this loudly: I DO NOT THINK MARCUS HARPER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DISAPPEARANCE OF TARA GRINSTEAD.

I am not a MH hater and I have never met him. Can I ask you, what made you think she met with foul play and what gives you the above impression? (military, le, crime scene, etc) Not asking for any other reason then curiosity. I have heard this said before but I don't really know why/how they came to that conclusion.

[singlesix]

"I DON'T THINK TARA IS DEAD, I think she is alive and well, so I search in that direction."

I have a question. If you think she is alive and well why are you searching for her? Why don't you respect her decision and leave her alone?

I know from your posts that you are curious, but is that a good enough reason to intrude?

singlesix

[scubadvr99]

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups

*snipped*
However, I assume he did it to "clear the air", which is understandable. I think yesterday was beneficial and cleared up many questions and I appreciate actually getting answers to questions (finally). I wish there were more people willing to come on and answer questions.

We all very much care and want to know what happened to Tara.

pups, I agree, I think he did it to clear the air. Maybe my comment "attacked" may have been too strong. I have just seen this happen to other posters. Why the admins of another board can't even clean their house without being a POI. (Talk about invasion of life and privacy)

I too appreciate the answers, but I feel that the ones that have the answers we need will not come forward. I wish that they would, it would be good to get some answers.

I think that your last sentence says the most important thing. We all want to find her, find out what happened, and if she was harmed (as I believe), who did this to her.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by singlesix
"I DON'T THINK TARA IS DEAD, I think she is alive and well, so I search in that direction."

I have a question. If you think she is alive and well why are you searching for her? Why don't you respect her decision and leave her alone?

I know from your posts that you are curious, but is that a good enough reason to intrude?

singlesix Good question, never thought of it in that respect. I guess my thoughts are open to other scenarios, but I stongly believe she is alive. Don't know with any certainty though. Does believing she is alive mean you give up just because? I am not so sure, but I do get your point. I guess the reason I have not given up is because I would like to see the answers and hope that she is ok. If your dog ran away and you thought it was alive, do you just let it run and assume it will return or do you look until you find it? Not exactly a great analogy but I think you understand my point.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by scubadvr99


pups, I agree, I think he did it to clear the air. Maybe my comment "attacked" may have been too strong. I have just seen this happen to other posters. Why the admins of another board can't even clean their house without being a POI. (Talk about invasion of life and privacy)

I too appreciate the answers, but I feel that the ones that have the answers we need will not come forward. I wish that they would, it would be good to get some answers.

I think that your last sentence says the most important thing. We all want to find her, find out what happened, and if she was harmed (as I believe), who did this to her. scuba I only wish there was more openness and more people willing to answer questions but I like you question if that will ever happen.

[cbcrime]

Not every man that lies is a killer. What he did IMO is not ethical or nice. He did that to his wife. That does not mean that he lies about everything. However, he did answer questions through a friend because there were descrepancies that he generated. We can choose to believe his answers or not.

What interests me is justthinking's idea about the poi that fits MH description - but isn't him and is not from or in Ocilla. Any more info justthinking?

[justthinking]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by guitarstring
I still would like to ask a few questions.

1. Since when is Ohio "across the globe," as Mr. Perry stated in his comment on 10/26/05 to TG's family?


2. Can anyone honestly say without a lump in their throat that a man who LIES about being married AND having a child is a "good man all the way around and deserves to be left alone ," OR defend him by saying that his LIES were for "entertainment or recreational purposes" only? Are you kidding me? I'm sorry but I'm of the mindset that you don't seek out a new relationship unless you are finished with the old one. (Don't tell me that men do it all the time because I'm well aware of that and it still doesn't make it right or moral.)

3. I wonder if Scott Peterson ever thought of having an online profile to attract women? I mean, after all, he did tell Amber that he was UNMARRIED and didn't have children, right?

(And we all know what a huge LIAR he turned out to be because not only did he HAVE A WIFE and a NEW BABY ON THE WAY, but he was found guilty of murdering that wife and baby. For what? To continue his entertainment and recreational activities. OMG, I can hear the audio of him in saying he was in "Paris on New Year's Eve" when he was really at a vigil for Laci. oh my. I'm sick at my stomach.)

4.) Justthinking, when was the last time YOU saw Mr. Perry?

5.) Would Mr. Perry or his wife[B] voluntarily be willing to help LE in any way they could to work through the process of elimination of those who aren't involved? (DNA or LDT?)

Responding in order:

1. IMO- He was asking for help from "across the globe." He is a college graduate who have made the trek to and from Ohio many times. I think he knows where Ohio is.

2. By the same token, wrong and immoral on an internet site does not make one a killer.

3. When all is said and done, I think you will see a profile very similar to that of Scott Peterson.

4. I believe it was April 3, 2004 at the Hawkinsville Harness Festival. His parents and sister train and race horses. I am friends with them and therefore felt the need to clear up some of the misinformation that was floating around. Heck, one of the early threads from November had him living in Japan. "Japan"...."across the globe." Who knows where these things are contrived!

5. Mr. Perry has sent an email to the proper persons stating that he is more than willing to submit DNA.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by justthinking
[QUOTE]Originally posted by guitarstring
I still would like to ask a few questions.

1. Since when is Ohio "across the globe," as Mr. Perry stated in his comment on 10/26/05 to TG's family?


2. Can anyone honestly say without a lump in their throat that a man who LIES about being married AND having a child is a "good man all the way around and deserves to be left alone ," OR defend him by saying that his LIES were for "entertainment or recreational purposes" only? Are you kidding me? I'm sorry but I'm of the mindset that you don't seek out a new relationship unless you are finished with the old one. (Don't tell me that men do it all the time because I'm well aware of that and it still doesn't make it right or moral.)

3. I wonder if Scott Peterson ever thought of having an online profile to attract women? I mean, after all, he did tell Amber that he was UNMARRIED and didn't have children, right?

(And we all know what a huge LIAR he turned out to be because not only did he HAVE A WIFE and a NEW BABY ON THE WAY, but he was found guilty of murdering that wife and baby. For what? To continue his entertainment and recreational activities. OMG, I can hear the audio of him in saying he was in "Paris on New Year's Eve" when he was really at a vigil for Laci. oh my. I'm sick at my stomach.)

4.) Justthinking, when was the last time YOU saw Mr. Perry?

5.) Would Mr. Perry or his wife[B] voluntarily be willing to help LE in any way they could to work through the process of elimination of those who aren't involved? (DNA or LDT?)

Responding in order:

1. IMO- He was asking for help from "across the globe." He is a college graduate who have made the trek to and from Ohio many times. I think he knows where Ohio is.

2. By the same token, wrong and immoral on an internet site does not make one a killer.

3. When all is said and done, I think you will see a profile very similar to that of Scott Peterson.

4. I believe it was April 3, 2004 at the Hawkinsville Harness Festival. His parents and sister train and race horses. I am friends with them and therefore felt the need to clear up some of the misinformation that was floating around. Heck, one of the early threads from November had him living in Japan. "Japan"...."across the globe." Who knows where these things are contrived!

5. Mr. Perry has sent an email to the proper persons stating that he is more than willing to submit DNA.


What????

Number 3???

A profile similar to Scott Peterson?

[concernedperson]

I believe she was making reference to the actual perp not Mr. Perry.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by concernedperson
I believe she was making reference to the actual perp not Mr. Perry.

Hmmmmm.

Justthinking do you have someone you feel strongly about?

You can say a simple yes or no.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by justthinking
M71: I am with you on a lot of this. Why JP, why now? However, I don't think he exited the stage quickly, I just think his act ended. Unless of course, there is a request for an encore.

I, unlike others on this thread, choose to believe Tara met with foul play. Before all of you start to scream, I know THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST FOUL PLAY. I believe the person responsible is methodical, knowledgable of crime scene investigations, highly skilled at disposing evidence, formerly in the military where he participated in action, and is currently in law enforcement.

Let me say this loudly: I DO NOT THINK MARCUS HARPER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DISAPPEARANCE OF TARA GRINSTEAD.

I am not a MH hater and I have never met him.

I'm just curious.... how does one become "highly skilled at disposing evidence"? Is there an evidence disposal course online somewhere? Or do you think they've perpetrated numerous crimes and became skilled at eliminating evidence?


If Tara has been harmed, in my opinion, there will most definitely be evidence. It's possible it just hasn't been found yet. (Or that she hasn't been harmed, so there won't be any evidence)

[BevAnn]

A perp that is similar to Scott Peterson...hmmm...interesting theory.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by simply quiet


Hmmmmm.

Justthinking do you have someone you feel strongly about?

You can say a simple yes or no.

Wow, I am really sorry for the vagueness. The reference WAS between Scott Peterson and the actual perp...not Jim.

YES!

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by justthinking

*snipped*

3. When all is said and done, I think you will see a profile very similar to that of Scott Peterson.

*snipped*



That seems to contradict your previous analysis.

[justthinking]

Originally posted by BevAnn
A perp that is similar to Scott Peterson...hmmm...interesting theory.

A charmer to everyone...............almost!

[justthinking]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


That seems to contradict your previous analysis.

My references to the perp earlier were all pertaining to his training and not personality. Again, I think the perp was initially very charming.

[luvmy2labpups]

Originally posted by guitarstring
I still would like to ask a few questions.

1. Since when is Ohio "across the globe," as Mr. Perry stated in his comment on 10/26/05 to TG's family?

2. Can anyone honestly say without a lump in their throat that a man who LIES about being married AND having a child is a "good man all the way around and deserves to be left alone ," OR defend him by saying that his LIES were for "entertainment or recreational purposes" only? Are you kidding me? I'm sorry but I'm of the mindset that you don't seek out a new relationship unless you are finished with the old one. (Don't tell me that men do it all the time because I'm well aware of that and it still doesn't make it right or moral.)

3. I wonder if Scott Peterson ever thought of having an online profile to attract women? I mean, after all, he did tell Amber that he was UNMARRIED and didn't have children, right?

(And we all know what a huge LIAR he turned out to be because not only did he HAVE A WIFE and a NEW BABY ON THE WAY, but he was found guilty of murdering that wife and baby. For what? To continue his entertainment and recreational activities. OMG, I can hear the audio of him in saying he was in "Paris on New Year's Eve" when he was really at a vigil for Laci. oh my. I'm sick at my stomach.)

4.) Justthinking, when was the last time YOU saw Mr. Perry?

5.) Would Mr. Perry or his wife voluntarily be willing to help LE in any way they could to work through the process of elimination of those who aren't involved? (DNA or LDT?) Why are you bringing Scott Peterson onto the TG forum? It is not necessary or right. Many of you know my stance on that case and have made every effort to keep it off of this forum. That is all I am going to say about it. As far as Jim submitting DNA or taking a LDT, I think you are going too far. Being dishonest about marital and parental status for the purposes of meeting other women is a disgrace in my book, but not criminal to create something he wasn't. Just because he posted that he was not married and didn't have a kid, does not mean he did anything to Tara, which if I understand your post correctly, that is the insinuation right? I think you have gone beyond the line with this post. Just my 02. My appologies if I have misunderstood your post.

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by justthinking


A charmer to everyone...............almost!

Reallllly.....so, the last person anyone would suspect....but seriously, in the last 10 months, EVERY person has been speculated on....so it can't be someone we've all missed....can it?