The Men in this Case: Discusssion [Archive] - Page 3

llisa

04-13-2006, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by llisa

In an earlier post, I asked was MH right or left handed? Does anybody know that?

Also, M---n, the new queen, said the back door was unlocked.

So, when HD came by, surely he would have checked the back door. WAS THE CAR THERE WHEN HD WAS THERE?

THE LAST CALL, DID SHE ACTUALLY TALK TO HD?

OBVIOUSLY HD knows the whole story, but is not at liberty to say, while we are here burning the wheels up in our brains LOL.

So please somebody speculate on this question who possibly knows. ATOK J4T?

QUESTION:
How long could this possibly go on without pressing charges?
Who are the party/parties that can say, "Okay, this is enough guys. We don't have a body, but we have evidence. Let's saddle up and go arrest somebody?"

Because really, it has been 5/6 months and me, being an Aries, loathe to wait on anything and I will go stark raving mad if I don't see some results. J4T are you an ARIES? We seem a lot alike.

Don't they have all the evidence they are going to have outside of the fact they don't have a body?

I believe they have quite a case with the testimony from HD, L and A G------, MH's dad and step mom to know what could have occured. Especially, HD. He was worried completely out of his mind to be driving there in the middle of the night, seemingly panicky. Why, after knowing her all these years, was he panicky at this particular hour of the night? Very strange. But there is the answer there.

Atok

04-13-2006, 12:01 PM

Tara's car was present when HD visited at 12:15 am. So either he thought she was inside asleep, or ignoring him, or she had left her car there and gone out in someone else's vehicle. In any of those instances he couldn't force his entry into her home no matter how concerned he felt.
He looked about, he saw no evidence of foul play, not even the glove. He speaks with her mom, who doesn't know where she might be either. The neighbors look asleep... I don't think he had any sane option but to head home. He put his card there, so if she comes home later she KNOWS he tried to reach her

*I* do not have the phone record information about whether HD and Tara ever spoke to each other that weekend, if messages were left or the timing of their communications. That is in evidence however, so professionals can piece it together well.

The other door on Tara's house was not operable and was not disturbed as evidenced by the layers of cobwebs on it's frame, etc.

There was a mention from the Dr. Godwin investigation that a screen on a window was torn, it is the only place I had heard that information and I can't have a link to it.

The investigation does NOT have all the evidence they are going to get apart from a body. Some testings have probably not been completed. The triangulation profiles are proably not completed by Dr. Godwin. The searches may turn up a new piece of evidence, but baring those things... someone could still speak. I would believe that this investigation could go to two years before they try a prosecution without a body.

Everyone is really hoping there is something of Tara is still out there left to locate and even a few minority opinions that she ran off to have a baby think she'll come back in 11 months or so. We're not wrapping for awhile, unless there is a major break IMO.

BFD - v2.0

04-13-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by llisa

Don't they have all the evidence they are going to have outside of the fact they don't have a body?

I believe they have quite a case with the testimony from HD, L and A G------, MH's dad and step mom to know what could have occured. Especially, HD. He was worried completely out of his mind to be driving there in the middle of the night, seemingly panicky. Why, after knowing her all these years, was he panicky at this particular hour of the night? Very strange. But there is the answer there.

Testimony? Has a grand jury been convened and people have testified?

llisa

04-13-2006, 02:07 PM

So it is the waiting game with no new contestants, so to speak. Maybe we can have dinner with you guys. I plan on seeing this through.

Mindis

04-13-2006, 02:53 PM

It's too bad some of us didn't live closer so we could have dinner, can you imagine us all sitting at a table discussing this case.. I'd have to take notes for sure, everyone has had so many different ideas.. I think it would be interesting..

llisa

04-13-2006, 04:56 PM

Sounds like a winner.

hypnotized

04-13-2006, 06:19 PM

April-2005 - Red light incident while Tara was on a date with RR.
MH spouting obscenities toward her.

Sept. 30? - MH returns to Ocilla

Oct. 4 - (Tues.) This day I am told Tara did speak with MH. She was returning from Waycross. She missed nephew's party due to class.

Oct. 11 - (Tues.) This is the day when returning from Waycross Tara became upset and called LH/DH to come for her in a small community between Waycross and Ocilla.

Oct. 12 - (Wed.) Tara did call in sick to the school but it was thought she may have gone in after lunch for awhile.

Oct. 14 - (Fri.) Tara had scheduled this day off previously to spend with her Mom. She did however go to school and left at 9 a.m. (MH alledges this day as the last time he saw Tara stating she came to his home in the morning and later in the afternoon...???)

Oct. 18 - Tara told a friend at class she and MH had a heated argument prior to her arrival at school.

Oct. 19? - JH did come to Tara's room. It was not HD as reported but JH who is employed with New Century Education Corp. He is the eastern Strategic Acct. Director...JH sells software targeted at keeping kids in school and reducing the dropout rate. He is also a member of the GA. School Board Assoc. not just a traveling sales guy...and I was told she had a meeting but did not leave school.

Oct. 22 - Pageant/Cookout/Missing

I feel the days/dates are correct but if I made a mistake, I feel certain someone will correct me....Please do if I am wrong. (ctv sassy)

*******************************************
Saturday, October 22, 2005

In the afternoon, girls come by for hair and makeup assistance prior to the Sweet Potato Pageant.

Tara attends the pageant.

JP & wife return home approx 7 pm Saturday, and Tara’s car is not at home.

Tara drops by the Davis’ home for dinner and then returns home @ 11:00 pm.

She calls a girlfriend, and shares the evenings activities.

"Megan, Marie and HD. I know Megan said she was third to last. Megan said Tara went missing at 12:30." (court tv msg board?)

Dolly starts barking.

Sunday, October 23, 2005

MH is at the Whitehorse bar, staying until about 1:30 AM Sunday, Oct 23, he was at the bar with his stepsister and her boyfriend up until the bar closed.)

The bar closes and M drives to meet with SF at dispatch.

Sunday early AM. Dolly is barking again.

M drives to his mother's and reportedly goes to bed.

PAJADAS: Marcus can account for every minute of his time during that time. He has provided that information to the GBI. They have checked with everyone of the individuals that he was with. He was in the company of somebody, either a law enforcement, Department of Natural Resources, at home asleep, at his mother's house, at his father's house, I mean.
.................................................. ...............

Later in the interview, Pajadas says that MH got to his father's house around 10:00 a.m. Sunday, well, according to the above quote MH had slept there........so looks like someone is a bit confused! (ctv yummers59)

Sunday morning, Dolly barks and doesn’t quiet down until around 9 am.

Monday, October 24, 2005

I think it wasn't until 12:15AM Monday, when HD was parked outside of Tara's, that he called Tara's mother, and she called the Portiers. (ctv frznwsalt)

Tara's car was present when HD visited at 12:15 am. So either he thought she was inside asleep, or ignoring him, or she had left her car there and gone out in someone else's vehicle. In any of those instances he couldn't force his entry into her home no matter how concerned he felt.
He looked about, he saw no evidence of foul play, not even the glove. He speaks with her mom, who doesn't know where she might be either. The neighbors look asleep... I don't think he had any sane option but to head home. He put his card there, so if she comes home later she KNOWS he tried to reach her (ctv Atok)

The Porter’s response to Tara’s mother’s inquiry is that nothing appears to be amis. HD continues to call Tara, finally leaving his card stuck in the door.

Sometime after 12:15 a.m. Oct. 24, Godwin believes, the killer returned, and perhaps accidentally dropped a latex glove on Tara's front lawn. It had to have been after 12:15 Godwin said, because that was when Tara's old friend, Heath ****s, a police captain from a nearby community, had come by to check in on Tara, and had telephoned her mother when she didn't answer the door. He had not seen the glove. Nor had a former student of Tara's who had come by earlier Sunday to fetch a dog Tara had been pet-sitting, Godwin said.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/or...tead_probe.html

...add "former student goes to Tara's to pick up pet (or bowl) on Sunday morning according to Dr. Godwin." This could be the reason for Dolly barking that morning. (ctv general lee)

"...At 8:50am a report was made to the Ocilla Police Department by neighbors and coworkers who were concerned about her well being. Tara did not show up for work and they were unable to reach her...Items missing are her purse and keys."

The following week:

A fire starts at house on Snapdragon Lane in the early am on Sunday, November 6.

hypnotized

04-13-2006, 06:49 PM

Thank you...I will continue to update and make changes! :cool:

llisa

04-13-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Justice4Tara

Who's paying for dinner?:D

It would be my treat and absolute pleasure to eat out with you people.

Mindis

04-13-2006, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Justice4Tara

Can we all come to your house? Sassy will bring the banana pudding and I'll bring a keg of apple juice. :cool:

sure, if you don't mind coming to New York.. I'm upstate, one hour north of Albany.. near Lake George..

http://www.lakegeorge.com/

http://www.lakegeorgenewyork.com/index.asp

llisa

04-13-2006, 11:37 PM

It sounds beautiful and refreshing.

frznwsalt

04-14-2006, 01:13 AM

So HD called Tara at 12:30 on Saturday night, and came over at 12:15 on Sunday night. That's pretty late. There are only certain people you can call that late. It actually looks bad for him. Last person to call Saturday, then she disappears. Comes over Sunday, then the glove appears. Hmmm.

Babes

04-14-2006, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by fep

Did Tara call or did HD call at 12:30 am Sunday night. Just can't get it in my head which is correct. Of the poi's I lean 90% toward MH but with what I know anything is possible.
This is just a thought. Tara left bbq approx. 11:00 pm. I think HD lives around the Perry area which is approximate 80 miles from Tara's which would be about a 1 hour 20 minute drive. Phone call at 12:30, which is 1 hour 30 minutes later.

I guess HD should tell us where is Tara when he spoke to her so we know if Tara's still at home or maybe Tara was mobile going out .... Did they do any fingerprint test on the cellphone also to check who could have possibly touch it?

llisa

04-16-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Atok
I didn't really want to touch this section... but doesn't this casket and grave fascination remind people about the theory that Tara is buried along with someone else. Maybe someone who had a recent burial so that things are still easily accesible?

That whole body on top of an already buried body theory of hiding someone?

I know ewwww, but damn good place to hide a corpse. In Iraq there are mass graves of way more than two.

In the U.S. we don't disturb graves and if someone were to use a freshly created burial site to add a second corpse... who would ever know? The body would NEVER be found.

Very clever.

But how would you go about searching... exhume everyone buried in Georgia??! Good lord that will never happen.

Who is to say the perp disturbed a current grave, or a random grave. You have no way of determining. What if he chose a family member's site. Can you see the lawsuits when GBI askes to exhume MH's Grandad or something?
They will NEVER have enough information to allow that.

We have trouble exhuming people we legitimately know are buried in a location.

This is one way of hiding a corpse that someone would IMO easily get away with. Not sure what one could do about it. If this was the way it was done, this case will never have a body. People aren't able to take cadaver dogs into cemetaries... kind of stupid... they'd hit everywhere...

And in the perps sick mind, he DID bury her and she's "at peace", right?

We all get pm's from people, the psychic related PM's I've gotten have all related to Tara being buried, being face up, laying prone. Not some ravine, or bridge or pond or water...just to add that into the mix.

Would make me pretty damn smug if I were the killer. Make me feel smarter than everyone... would make me not be sweating much at all.

Frankly, not getting caught in the action of harming Tara and having her burial site be so "perfect" would you be worried at all??

J4T,
This was what I was speaking of. This is the idea I had before about where Tara might be and then ATOK said it all.

llisa

04-16-2006, 07:18 PM

I would really like to know where I said that.
But in answer to your question, NO I do not know who has possibly killed her or harmed her or done anything to Tara.

frznwsalt

04-16-2006, 09:22 PM

Hey J4T--no, I'm not local.
I used that name on one other board, (frozen with salt), but to be honest, I don't remember where. I'm T-Rex on Websleuths.

concernedperson

04-16-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by frznwsalt
Hey J4T--no, I'm not local.
I used that name on one other board, (frozen with salt), but to be honest, I don't remember where. I'm T-Rex on Websleuths. And I looked you up Most of the threads I saw your posts were locked.You seem to be on the side of offenders for the most part. So, that means we are on totally opposite sides.

suzee

04-17-2006, 10:51 AM

April-2005 - Red light incident while Tara was on a date with RR.
MH spouting obscenities toward her.

According to records MH was on a tour of duty on the date you have prviously reported for this date. You may want to check your records.

paralegallin

04-17-2006, 11:26 AM

NancynNC

04-17-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by bignbad
He did it.

How many times can one be banned?

BFD - v2.0

04-17-2006, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

How many times can one be banned?

Numerous times. My friend Monica has been banned umpteen times and still keeps coming back. (And umpteen is a lot)

:D

yummers59

04-17-2006, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by yummers59

Atok, that's certainly food for thought isn't it?

That whole thing about the casket is sick, there's absolutely no way on God's green earth that I would want a casket in my house, especially to hold my kids' toys! If nothing else, it seems to be making light of something that is "normally" used in a somber event.

Originally posted by paralegallin

Personally I think that people might be making something out of not much of anything here. I had a deep fascination with death as a child, I have a friend who had a casket for a coffee table, simply because she felt it was unique. I have had friends who in HS drove old limos that carried bodies to funerals and cemetaries. My daughter would be tickled pink if I let her have a toy chest that was a casket. She thinks vampires are nifty, she wants her room painted black, and she is 7.

It is all in how you view things. Little boys also will pull wings off flies or other bugs, simply because they can. This does not make them future killers. Perhaps they may just grow up to be scientists or biologists.

Kids are just that, kids. We all (or most of us) go through weird phases in our lives.

As for military, some would see the Navy Seals or Army Rangers as being lethal jobs as well. Many positions in the military have top secret clearance and you are not allowed to discuss what you do. How do I know, because I was in the military.

I understand you are just trying to get to the bottom of this case, but don't always go for the oohhh drama reasoning, sometimes it is just simple logic or reasoning. Case in point..SOGALady *chuckles still about the whole ohhh she's evil thing*

Goodness..

MOO

Paralegallin....by the way, if you are one (paralegal), I was one too back many years ago when I worked. Anyway, I'm not saying this to argue with you, and I do agree in that kids can have a "curiosity" about things like pulling the wings off a fly etc. or what happens to you when you die etc. but most move on once their questions are answered. I think a curiosity is little bit different than a "fascination" for something, in my eyes that denotes a longer period of time. I don't recall in all my years meeting any kids that had a "fascination" with death, and certainly none that would have wanted a casket for their toy chest, unless they had no clue what one was! And again, as a parent, whether the kids thought they'd like one or not I would not have allowed it.....call me a bad mom but I just don't think it's what "most" parents use for a toy box.

I hope I'm explaining it right cause I'm really not trying to be argumentative. To me it's the same thing as someone trying to convince me to try eating yak or snake, it's not what I ever was accustomed to eating in growing up nor was it anything anyone I knew ate, so no matter how great it may taste, I cannot get beyond the fact it's just not what "most people" in my corner of the world did. Same idea about casket being used as a household item. It still gives me shivers!

Also, the fascination with death bothers me when someone is like that as a child and also carries thru with the fascination by wanting certain positions in the service or law profession where that "fascination" can be put into a form of action, if you know what I mean. I could be way off about it, but to me it's some sort of red flag that can't be totally discounted in this situation.

Babes

04-18-2006, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Numerous times. My friend Monica has been banned umpteen times and still keeps coming back. (And umpteen is a lot)

:D

:D i remember the old peterson board LOL that was a real headache for coldwater :biggrin:

BFD - v2.0

04-18-2006, 10:09 AM

I understand Vickers said he and Tara had a relationship. Is there any type of factual corroboration to support that statement.

I believe he said there were 3 or 4 people that could corroborate his statement, do we know who these people are?

IBC

04-18-2006, 08:09 PM

Anthony V passed a lie detector test, so presumeably he has been eliminated from the list of suspect. I have not heard anyone substantiate his relationship with Tara, although I have often wondered why he was so evasive about describing it. Why not just say she was a friend, a mentor, etc.?

The door incident seems odd. Why would he just keep knocking?

04-19-2006, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Candace

It could be, Matt..I haven't seen it...I doubt small town bars have cameras, but I could be wrong.

This bar is not sophisticated enough to have cameras.

04-19-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Atok
Questions that don't need answers, just pondering...

Why would he prefer this life to one of marriage to Tara?

Was marriage to Tara a "not now" feeling or a "not ever" feeling for MH?
:patriot:

Patriot, people change and their life style and goals change. Surely, Tara was a beautiful, talented and lovely young woman, but it doesn't mean that they were right for each other. It is possible for a decent man to walk away from a relationship -- even with a beauty -- that doesn't quite work.

Atok

04-19-2006, 07:26 PM

It seems that Tara had hopes that MH would change his mind about committment, that time together would over-ride his hesitation to get married. The break up must have been agonizing for both, for their own reasons.

While emotion does not solve crimes, people do watch those affected by events to see if their reactions meet up with what is considered "normal expected reactions". Not only did we we watch the MH interview with Greta, critically, we watched AG and LG's interview after the GBI polygraph with additional critical eyes. We watch them all, hungrily seeking. What are we looking for? Nuggets, slips, reactions, clues...

For a person who cues on emotion, like myself, I didn't feel what I expected from him in that exposure. That interview is what triggered my original speculations and deepening questions about whether he was involved. Perhaps that was the case for many. Perhaps MH's grief is more internal, the Greta interview was sort of flat and did him no favors.

However, he is not, nor should he be the only focus.

Better trained minds than mine, have done their interviews with him and the case is still open with no warrents or indictments.

Let us focus now on the victimology.

Because, as BFD has stated, THAT'S where the meat and potatoes are and anything else is working bassackwards.

Would someone be so kind as to begin a fresh thread on Victimology ONLY? Someone familiar with why and how it's done.

concernedperson

04-19-2006, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by MarilynB

Patriot, people change and their life style and goals change. Surely, Tara was a beautiful, talented and lovely young woman, but it doesn't mean that they were right for each other. It is possible for a decent man to walk away from a relationship -- even with a beauty -- that doesn't quite work.

I understand that people change and we hope that we do. Mostly it is growing and enlarging our goals. What does Patriot mean at the beginning of your sentence? It doesn't seem to be consistent with the rest of the post.I am trying to figure it out but I started a new position and am flooded with new things to process. Help me here!

Mindis

04-19-2006, 10:34 PM

J4T stated he slept in the casket.. I honestly don't know where it came from but she stated that in another thread..

frznwsalt

04-19-2006, 11:56 PM

ConcernedPerson, I think we are on the same side. I guess I am drawn to cases that might have a twist. I don't think this one does, though.

NancynNC

04-20-2006, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by concernedperson

I understand that people change and we hope that we do. Mostly it is growing and enlarging our goals. What does Patriot mean at the beginning of your sentence? It doesn't seem to be consistent with the rest of the post.I am trying to figure it out but I started a new position and am flooded with new things to process. Help me here!

I take it that the little guy holding the flag is a patriot..:)

Atok

04-20-2006, 02:56 PM

Just for clarity, Ocillian was not banned, but their posts and PM box are gone and closed by request.

J4T was a poster, who was banned over the Easter Weekend.

Atok

04-20-2006, 03:58 PM

BTW HarpervalleyPTA,

Don't think we don't know who you are. Walk the line very carefully this time and you can keep from being re-banned.

Atok

04-21-2006, 09:57 AM

LOL! That would be a nice!

But, really, on to more important matters. Even though I find it ironic that this discussion falls in the "alibi" thread of all places.

Babes

04-21-2006, 09:05 PM

Does RR have access or key to Tara's house since his parents own the house that Tara's renting?

How come we arent getting more info about RR?

Most of the missing women's cases, we normally look at the husband, boyfriend and former lover or date partners. How come this forum is only focusing on MH and HD. How about the others like RR and Anthony Vickers? What are their alibis on the time that Tara was missing?

bred

04-21-2006, 10:31 PM

Babes...we don't know for sure where they were during the critical hours. Both have managed to stay under our radar. Over these months, interest in AV has waned, and although we've tried to discover info about RR, that's pretty sparse also.

NancynNC

04-22-2006, 02:01 AM

bump

BFD - v2.0

04-22-2006, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
So you think maybe the glove was planted? HUMMMM.

I have a very direct question- three part- that has never been answered. And I think it is very relevant. Afterall, the glove in the yard could have simply been overlooked - it was OCTOBER, leaves falling,etc. It was busy day at her house with all of the hair and makeup being done. I just think that the glove could be easily explained.

Most LE use BLUE or other colored latex gloves. Most don't use the kind you or I can buy by the box at Home Depot in the paint department or find along the cleaning aisle of the grocery/bigbox store or even the the kind one buys at a beauty supply house.

What color Latex gloves to Ocilla LE use?
What color Latex gloves do Irwin County Sheriff department use?
What color Latex gloves are given to teachers at Irwin High?

Why can't we get an answer instead of just jumping in with opinions?

Just wondering.

:seeya:

The glove is a red herring in my opinion.

First, most law enforcement agencies have switched to nitrile and no longer use latex gloves. Nitrile are the colored ones you're talking about.

The assumption is that it wasn't there that evening when someone went to the house, but was there the next day. The problem is that it was dark. Were they scouring the ground looking for something? I sort of doubt it. It could very easily have just not been seen. To assume it wasn't there is faulty logic in my opinion.

The other question that I haven't seen is if Tara had any of those types of gloves in her house.

fsbiii

04-22-2006, 12:03 PM

Sean Fletcher, employed by Ocilla Police Department.

NancynNC

04-22-2006, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
Sean Fletcher, employed by Ocilla Police Department.

Tara had filed a complaint against SF. It is rumored that when MH came back to town that SF had told him something about the night that Vickers was banging on Tara's door.

BFD - v2.0

04-22-2006, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

Tara had filed a complaint against SF. It is rumored that when MH came back to town that SF had told him something about the night that Vickers was banging on Tara's door.

Do we know what became of the complaint?

That is very unprofessional behavior on his part.

(And the fact that we know of the complaint sort of shoots down the "law enforcement conspiracy" theories. If they were that much into protecting their own, no one would know about the complaint.

NancynNC

04-22-2006, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Do we know what became of the complaint?

That is very unprofessional behavior on his part.

(And the fact that we know of the complaint sort of shoots down the "law enforcement conspiracy" theories. If they were that much into protecting their own, no one would know about the complaint.

I think that info came from AG in an interview. I will try to find it.
But it could be that Tara told her mom or Maria that she filed a complaint and they relayed the info.

NancynNC

04-22-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

I think that info came from AG in an interview. I will try to find it.
But it could be that Tara told her mom or Maria that she filed a complaint and they relayed the info.

From NG interview:

GRACE: Now, one last question. Is this the same police officer that Tara Grinstead tried to get fired?

GATTIS: I don`t know that she tried to get him fired, but she did file a formal complaint against him. Earlier, he...

GRACE: Why?

GATTIS: He had been the arresting officer in the incident with the student who tried to break into Tara`s home. Marcus was in Iraq at that time, and when Marcus got back, Officer Fletcher (ph) released some confidential information to Marcus concerning this incident.

GRACE: Are you talking about Anthony Vickers (ph)?

GATTIS: Yes.

Babes

04-22-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Can it be that it was MH who didn't want to let go of Tara, in lieu of the reverse?

IMO

This is what i think also.
His behavior when he saw Tara and RR on the stoplight shows he's the one upset over the end of the relationship that's why he needed to yell at Tara and called her a bad name. I think he's probably jealous that Tara replaced him with a younger and more goodlooking man. I think MH got a big ego because of his carreer achievements but this is just my opinion only.

BFD - v2.0

04-22-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Nancy!

It seems to me that if MH had lost his love interest in Tara, as MH claimed, that she would have wanted MH to know about AV, hoping to spark that love once again, after knowing someone else was interested in her.

Can it be that it was MH who didn't want to let go of Tara, in lieu of the reverse?

IMO

Then why did Tara have an "emotional breakdown" and have to have someone come pick her up? It was my understanding that it is corroborated by the person that came to pick her up and that it was all about the fact Tara was very upset about Marcus not wanting to see her any longer.

In fact, it is also my understanding that when he came back from Iraq, he didn't even let her know he was back.

Doesn't sound like he was the one having issues with the break-up to me.

NancynNC

04-22-2006, 01:53 PM

Babes

04-22-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Then why did Tara have an "emotional breakdown" and have to have someone come pick her up? It was my understanding that it is corroborated by the person that came to pick her up and that it was all about the fact Tara was very upset about Marcus not wanting to see her any longer.

In fact, it is also my understanding that when he came back from Iraq, he didn't even let her know he was back.

Doesn't sound like he was the one having issues with the break-up to me.

I have a theory about it. Since SF told MH about AV, maybe MH told Tara that he will tell his stepmother, who is a member of the BOE, that Tara and AV are having a relationship then Tara became irrational since she will loose her dream of becoming a principal of that school and she might end up in jail for having a relationship with a student, AV. How's that possible?

I think there is more to this emotional breakdown than just MH not wanting to come back in their relationship.

Is Tara and MH really fighting about the 18 year old girl MH was dating or the other way around? That Tara is dating the younger AV and MH is threatening of telling some people about this?

Babes

04-22-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

I have a question for you BABES, know i am not trying to pick a fight -- just processing your theory...

What about the formal complaint? How does that fit? Wouldn't that fan the fire where Tara would NOT want it fanned if your theory is in play?

:seeya:

IMO She already knew that SF told MH about her relationship with AV and MH is possible threatening her already so she got to make a move to deny this relationship and one of them is by filing a complaint of making "fraud stories" maybe ...

Why do you think Tara will make it a big deal in filing a complaint to SF by just telling MH what happened? It is a small town , so it is just natural that MH will know this incident. But why would Tara wanted SF to be out of LE just for this? Meaning there is more to this complaint that we dont know and will hurt Tara's reputation.

BFD - v2.0

04-22-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

BFD - the trouble with that whole episode is

1. the person whom Tara called was supposedly MH's dad and he is the only witness to any of it. For all we know she could have had car trouble!

2. There is not one episode apart of this one where Tara supposedly was emotionally unhinged? And her many interests and contacts - wouldn't you expect to find more than one story?

3. We have never heard from anyone associated with this case that Tara was on any medication, seeing a doctor about any emotional stuff.

4. We have heard over and over about other men Tara dated including a returning athletic hero who worked with her at her school. She hardly seemed to be broken up. SHe was busy with all sorts of career stuff, special interest stuff, and her friends and family.

I'm with CHAL on this one.

IMO.

I also heard that she and her mother had an argument the weekend she went to stay with her.

It is obvious to me that there was some inner turmoil going on. To what degree and about what, I really don't know. But "something" was going on in her life that she was having difficulty with.

We just don't hear about this information though. It's like people are afraid of the full truth coming out. I think it would be valuable information to have to understand the complexities of what could have happened. It is never meant to make her look bad, it's just meant to get the "full picture". Not just one tiny sliver that will only put her in a good light.

Babes

04-22-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Babes

I have a theory about it. Since SF told MH about AV, maybe MH told Tara that he will tell his stepmother, who is a member of the BOE, that Tara and AV are having a relationship then Tara became irrational since she will loose her dream of becoming a principal of that school and she might end up in jail for having a relationship with a student, AV. How's that possible?

I think there is more to this emotional breakdown than just MH not wanting to come back in their relationship.

Is Tara and MH really fighting about the 18 year old girl MH was dating or the other way around? That Tara is dating the younger AV and MH is threatening of telling some people about this?

And to add something to this theory:

This could be a reason why some people felt she left on her own with the help of a friend (HD) maybe. To avoid possible jailtime if it is proven that she and AV dated. And all contacts from the family and friends must be removed so that they cannot track her down or she's going to jail. But of course this is just another scenario .

Babes

04-22-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Chalandrapi

A little curious here. Why would Tara go to jail IF and a big IF, she dated AV? Wasn't he over 18 years old? Didn't I hear he is actually 20 years old?

Maybe AV and Tara's relationship started when he's still a student of Tara and still less than 18 by that time ...But like what ived said it is just IMO. :seeya:

NancynNC

04-23-2006, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Candace -- there are so many questions I have -

I still don't get the whole profile interview because of his contracted work in IRAQ? He wasn't a contracted worker - he was military.

ANd the interview was for US TV after he returned to the states and completed his tour. He was no longer even in the theatre.

In my mind, the whole returning earlier than expected bugs me too.

DId he return and get a job with some LE concern in GA where his identity needs to be shielded? THen why agree to do the interview at all?

It all was like so much of this case - WEIRD!

IMO.

I remember the night of the interview it was said that Greta was going to use the title of "Who is not cooperating with LE in the Tara G. Case". All of a sudden there was MH and his lawyer, ready to be interviewed.

I want to know why he came back unexpectedly, too. Do you think Tara may have had something to do with this?

Babes

04-23-2006, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

I remember the night of the interview it was said that Greta was going to use the title of "Who is not cooperating with LE in the Tara G. Case". All of a sudden there was MH and his lawyer, ready to be interviewed.

I want to know why he came back unexpectedly, too. Do you think Tara may have had something to do with this?

To be honest with you, i think that if he's so innocent about it then he'll come back to work and dont worry anything at all. But it looks like he needed to stay at Ocilla to take care of some "business" IMO. IMO he's also too young to retire :)

NancynNC

04-23-2006, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Gosh I never thought about that Nancy?

She is not his wife. I can't see the military saying - ok you have girlfriend issues - sure we'll just give you a pass to set the rest out. THE MILITARY DOESN'T ROTATE OUT HUBBIES TO SEE THEIR NEWBORNS!

No there is something else going on.

I haven't heard of a hardship being the reason for his earlier than expected return... that would normally be a death in the family, one of his parents being extremely ill...

It really is a puzzle..

IMO.

I did not mean a hardship. I meant did she cause him some trouble by telling something about him. Causing him some grief. It is only speculation on my part. Not likely true, but something happened. IMO He maybe done something wrong.

I was thinking about this as him being a contractor not in the military.

IBC

04-23-2006, 12:38 PM

It doesn't appear that RR was a real "boyfriend." If I recall correctly, they only dated a few times. No one has mentioned an alibi for RR, but presumeably he has one, or LE and GBI would be all over him. AV passed a lie detector test, whatever that really means. For whatever reason, neither of these guys is at the top of the suspect list.

Babes

04-23-2006, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by sogalady

Babes, what if???

SF was not the one who told MH about this incident with AV. What if ??? someone just assumed that SF told MH about that night. It might not have made a lot of difference in the end, but he was not the one that exposed this info. to MH,, does that mean someone else could have made TG a little angry, after finding out the truth ?? JMHO :shrug:

IMO I think it doesnt matter who told MH about it but what is important, if i am Tara, are the informations that will be revealed on her that will hurt her reputation and dreams of becoming a principal. Her hardwork to win pageants to get scholarship isnt easy. It is just so happened that SF was the one probably mentioned on her so she filed a complaint on SF to possibly fight any accusations that she will face in the future.

Have you seen the news where teachers was jailed because of a relationship with their students? I think this is the case here if she left on her own, although this is just a little theory on the side that i have coz i felt too that somebody she knew abducted her on purpose. I dont think she's going to leave just because she's pregnant... if she's pregnant then the more she needed a job to raise her kid and pay for her rent. I dont think a stranger take her anyways. Her door was locked. A stranger will not bother locking her door anymore and will not bother bringing back her car to the driveway if he use it. The stranger will pass through the front door because there is a dog at the yard and will leave the door open after he leaves IMO.

bred

04-23-2006, 09:04 PM

Lindsey...I'm almost afraid to ask this question as it would cause some on a different thread to go ballistic...but know that I am asking very politely and with respect to you as a fellow poster......how do you know this info about RR and family? It is new info and I am just hopeful you know more!!!!

bred

04-23-2006, 09:26 PM

V01...since very early we have heard it is owned by RR's parents, but I can't say it's a FACT I know, just something we've been told.

NancynNC

04-23-2006, 11:43 PM

Wasn't there any searches this weekend??

NancynNC

04-23-2006, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by neonorange

Hey, Nancy, hun, someone told me they moved the Tara Center this weekend to the new location. Not sure about anything else right now.

Well hello to you. I am glad that it is getting moved. Maybe and just maybe no more conflict.

NancynNC

04-24-2006, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Candace

Hi nancy.
Awhile back I heard NG and her crew were going down to do a story, and give an update, then cancelled it.. Have you heard why, and if they plan another trip? Anyone can answer if they know.
TIA

I do not know any more than what I read on here. It was posted that MH's mom made a scene last time NG was in town. Then it was rescheduled and posted on findtara.com and now that has been removed. That was when that video came out where some townspeople said the bad things about the media. It is hard to believe that Nancy would back down but maybe there are some hard feelings right now and she does not want to show that on her show.

Sure hope she gets back down there soon.

Babes

04-24-2006, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by GeneralLee
Lindsey, you said Tara's dad and stepmom lived in Ocilla and then they moved away to Alabama? And you said Tara was living in Ocilla with them?

Alabama? Isnt that one of the sighting of Tara is in Alabama?

singlesix

04-24-2006, 10:06 AM

"and you can keep from being re-banned"

Apparently not.

Sort of destroys the thread continuity when whole swatchs disappear.

singlesix

Atok

04-24-2006, 10:22 AM

No kidding, IF they are as close to the case as they would have us believe then one would conclude they would be doing everything in their power to help, not hinder a prosecution if facts not innuendo could line up against any suspect.

Instead the behavior introduces railroading and obstruction ~ a defense attorney's wet dream.

Instead of inflammatory, bannable content to the public message board, they could have been providing, factual, personal details about Tara or about timelines in a non-biased manner that would assist the public minds here on creating a link that would further assist LE.

Instead of an ego-circus, they could have been providing appropriate insight into the truth. I see it as tragic.

Then the disruption leaves swiss cheese holes all throughout threads of valued content, WHY?

Why damage good investigative questions that could solve Tara's disappearence with polluted propaganda?

I chalked it up to ignorance in the beginning, but many people are in arms, getting attorney's and what not, surely they've been informed by those professionals about the damage their actions are causing the case?

Yet they persist. So I figure they determine the ends justify the means and they believe the mountain of tunnel vision circumstantial materials they've collected and will push it through regardless of fact.

Those of us that have been around numerous investigations can see a pattern of behavior here that day after day starts to turn unbiased and clear headed people to look in other directions. It doesn't encourage us to drink the koolaide as it were...

Neither we nor the GBI are idiots.

sweettater

04-24-2006, 11:02 AM

Very well said, Atok.

odette

04-24-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by HarperValleyPTA

Hey guys, thanks for the post. Nice to see that you feel the need to discuss me even when I'm not involved in the conversation. I'm flattered. And if anyone sees the person that was supposed to meet us this morning, tell her we waited and waited for her to show, but still nothing. We were hoping to iron out that info problem, but I guess she had something to come up. Oh well, it's not like we can't figure it out on our own because things are going great today in more ways than one. Thanks and have a great day guys. Don't forget prayers for Tara and her family.
:rose: Aren't Government offices closed today ???

Atok

04-24-2006, 01:02 PM

I do not know why they would be, mine isn't in Arizona.

Perhaps there is something local to Georgia that has it closed?

lighthousedazy

04-24-2006, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Atok
I do not know why they would be, mine isn't in Arizona.

Perhaps there is something local to Georgia that has it closed? Confederate Memorial Day is observed in Georgia on April 26. Usually the state offices are closed.. Maybe the observance was to moved to Monday, (not sure).

InOcillaGA

04-24-2006, 01:13 PM

I thought it was Confederate Memorial Day but when I look it up it says Confederate Memorial Day is on April 26th.

country girl

04-24-2006, 01:17 PM

Local GBI office is closed. I called and got voice mail. Also if Confederate Memorial day IS the 26th, the government will take a Monday!

Atok

04-24-2006, 01:54 PM

So basically, people say they "waited and waited" around outside a closed federal office with an agent and or attorney, neither of whom knew it was closed due to Confederate Memorial Day to meet with a person on a message board to clear up differences?

Then they posted here saying how this person "stood them up" insinuating that the individuals were never serious about clearing anything up. More harassing, more shaming and bullying.

PUL-eeeease.

Take this soap opera somewhere else!

odette

04-24-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Atok
So basically, people say they "waited and waited" around outside a closed federal office with an agent and or attorney, neither of whom knew it was closed due to Confederate Memorial Day to meet with a person on a message board to clear up differences?

Then they posted here saying how this person "stood them up" insinuating that the individuals were never serious about clearing anything up. More harassing, more shaming and bullying.

PUL-eeeease.

Take this soap opera somewhere else! Thank you Atok...Your post says it all!! ;)

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

V -

Here is my thinking - all brainstorming. Someone probably gained access to her home, right?

I lived in rural GA - not near here though. Houses even in town can have an independent well, belong to a community well, or be connected to city water - and for us, we had all three because of the age of the house.

There is little regulation down there. ANd oftentimes workers are out on the weekends working.

I wondered the following - all hypothetical-

If community water - could someone turn off the pump or even just the connection to her house and come knock on her door and use the water source as an excuse to get her to open the door?

JP and family were gone on Sunday until late remember.
And we don't even know if they are on the same water source.

If construction behind her was visible -could a neighbor or someone claiming to be working on the house come to her door come to Tara's and use the community well or the lack of running water where they were working (or claiming to work) as a way to get Tara to open her door?

I recall being woke up when my husband was traveling by a man claiming I had done something to cause him not to have water - I though he was on the community well. I was fortunate to have a neighbor/plumber right across the street who passed by just as this happened. He and his sons were coming home from fishing and he heard the guy beating on my door, saw our security lights - FLOOD LIGHTS! and he knew my hubby was traveling. He pulled over and he and his four sons hit my porch before I even had time to think what to do.

Come to find out, this guy did not even live where I thought he lived and no one ever really figured out exactly what he was doing on my porch that night. The police never showed up at all, they claimed they never got a call. It was a scary time in Georgia.

As I read some of the older posts I remembered that night and I have wondered if and how that house behind her could play into her disappearance. THere was no sign of forced entry. So she answered the door or someone had a key or she had lousy locks that were easy to pick.

No one has mentioned that her bedclothes were found either. And I wondered if after such a long day, she might have decided to take a shower or bath...

Just brainstorming ...

:seeya:

Hi Matt7/1 those are some good thoughts, but my problem with that theory is wasn't this late in the evening? Isn't it thought that Tara did arrive home? If she had gotten changed, etc, wouldn't she have washed up, taken make up off, etc if she was retiring for the evening? If that happened, she would have known nothing was wrong with the water. I assume she that like any female, she would have been cautious about who she let in her door right? As far as construction behind the house, I know I wouldn't be letting a construction person come in my house late in the evening for any reason. I would not open the door. Do you think Tara would have? I have no idea what this town is like, that may be common in that area but I wouldn't.

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Luv -

When I take my makeup off I don't need any water. Did Tara? ** along that same line, any and all who think she just walked away** she left all of her makeup/toiletries too? A Pageant type lady? I don't see it.

Anyway - what if she went in the bathroom and no water. Before she can even pickup the phone there is a knock on her door, it is dark out. The guy claims to be so and so (small town so and so actually works for RR's dad doing maintenance) and he tells Tara that there is a water problem and needs to come in. I can see Tara opening the door. She wants her water on and she knows the name... trouble is - was it so and so or someone else. Has the cutoff been dusted? If on community well did anyone else notice anything.

We had a rental house one time near the coast, a developer was building very close and his crews just kept hitting the lines and everytime there was a broken pipe and the connection was cut we had one comode that would talk - sort of sing- it was the most comical thing. It cracked us up every time.

I wondered if community well, did anyone nearby on the same well recall any noise or lack of water during a particular time frame or have anyone snooping around the pump house before Tara disappeared. THose sorts of questions.

Just thinking.
OH - and I'm with you about opening my door - if someone is not expected, the door is never opened. PERIOD. After GA I am even nuttier about it. I now trust NO ONE- except my immediate family and friends!

:seeya: LOL, I guess everyone has a different way of doing things. But what about brushing teeth, etc? Water is required. As far as make up, etc? Do we know what make-up she had to know if any was missing? I would venture to guess nobody would know the answer to that. I guess what I am trying to say, it would not be out of the relm of possibilities and especially if there was help from a trusted friend. :shrug: I guess I just can't imagine a single lady opening up a door late in the evening for anybody if it wasn't a known person.

NancynNC

04-24-2006, 03:36 PM

Didn't Tara work once selling makeup and said she would like to do that again some day?

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC
Didn't Tara work once selling makeup and said she would like to do that again some day? Did she? What did she sell?

NancynNC

04-24-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by luvmy2labpups
Did she? What did she sell?

That info was back in an interview with someone. I cannot remember just now. If I remember right she worked in a store selling makeup. Maybe someone who knows her personally can help.

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

That info was back in an interview with someone. I cannot remember just now. If I remember right she worked in a store selling makeup. Maybe someone who knows her personally can help. This is my first time hearing this. I hope someone does help out here.

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet

Hi Tater

I happened to be reading some old threads today and I found a post from you back in Nov. that was very interesting. I hope you don't mind me bringing it up now, and asking if these friends feel the same way now?

sweettater
Member

Registered: Nov 2005
Location: Georgia
Posts: 33
last week in ocilla
While spending last week in Ocilla with relatives I was able to talk to lots of friends who knew Tara well/worked with her, etc. Pretty much every single person I talked with is convinced that Tara left to take a "break" from her life and then things got out of hand due to all the publicity and that's why she hasn't resurfaced yet. Several of them think she will probably never come back now because of all the negative publicity the "runaway bride" got, and others think she WILL definitely come back eventually because she will crave the attention. PLEASE don't anyone jump on me about this - I don't know her, this is what I'm hearing from people who DO know her well. I must say, it was VERY interesting talking to people who know her well. Also talked to one le guy whose opinion was the same. It was quite an enlightening week I must say.

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11-29-2005 08:21 PM

Thanks for bringing this post up simply quiet, I have wondered aloud about this very subject. I would be interested to see if sweettatter feels the same 2.

goldylocks

04-24-2006, 03:50 PM

I believe that a trucker thought he spotted a woman of Tara's description in the Birmingham Alabama area

sweettater

04-24-2006, 03:57 PM

Some of the people I am in touch with there think Tara was the victim of foul play. However, the people I know that knew her well, worked with her, etc., though they all go back and forth between all the possibilities, pretty much always go back to the opinion that she left on her own (with help, of course). They all say she would've had no problem getting someone to help her engineer this. She was very much liked and admired by many people, near and far. She was a kind-hearted person and people just always wanted to "help" her from what I've been told. They all say they have no doubt she could've easily obtained assistance. Also, things she mentioned to certain people, her demeanor, etc. shortly before she disappeared makes them lean toward this scenario. Everything I post about this is what I hear from others that knew her. I never met her myself.

NancynNC

04-24-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

I read that Tara had worked part time, in the cosmetics department, at a store (Belks?) during her off time from school last summer. I don't know if this is true but I do remember hearing it.

Thanks for the backup. I do remember that and that she loved it and wanted to do it again.

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

Thanks for the backup. I do remember that and that she loved it and wanted to do it again. Could she be doing this again?

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by sweettater
Some of the people I am in touch with there think Tara was the victim of foul play. However, the people I know that knew her well, worked with her, etc., though they all go back and forth between all the possibilities, pretty much always go back to the opinion that she left on her own (with help, of course). They all say she would've had no problem getting someone to help her engineer this. She was very much liked and admired by many people, near and far. She was a kind-hearted person and people just always wanted to "help" her from what I've been told. They all say they have no doubt she could've easily obtained assistance. Also, things she mentioned to certain people, her demeanor, etc. shortly before she disappeared makes them lean toward this scenario. Everything I post about this is what I hear from others that knew her. I never met her myself. Can you elaborate on the things she mentioned? If not on board, via pm? TIA

fsbiii

04-24-2006, 05:31 PM

I believe the information about Tara working at Belk's was provided in the context of her telling someone that she planned on doing so on Christmas Break 2005. This was being told as an indicator that she didn't leave of her own free will since she was making future plans.

luvmy2labpups

04-24-2006, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
I believe the information about Tara working at Belk's was provided in the context of her telling someone that she planned on doing so on Christmas Break 2005. This was being told as an indicator that she didn't leave of her own free will since she was making future plans. Ah, thanks for the clarification.

Atok

05-01-2006, 01:48 PM

It's not out of line for someone to have sporadic contact with Tara and to develop an unhealthy obsession with her.

It's not out of line for this person to be completely overlooked at this point becuase so much has been done to focus the investigation toward particular suspects.

Sometimes when people are going through a hard time they reach out to others who are peripheral to their regular life. Maybe Tara did this and this "stranger" took this as an indication that she wanted to get away with him.

I would think this warrants a deeper look. Did anyone (male) leave their job around this disappearance and not return?

These are harder leads to follow up with 6 months later!
But my guess is it is something GBI would be trying to get traction on, and has been working on all along, if it is the case.

Babes

05-03-2006, 01:39 AM

I am still interested to know what's RR's alibi that weekend. I am very curious about this because i think Missy Davis is referring to RR as Tara's boyfriend on her interview and some people just claimed they are dating and RR is innocent about this. Sure i would like to believe he is innocent but some locals are trying to get RR away from the spotlight without giving a reason why and without explaining his alibi. Not because he is a coach or a Math Teacher then he's too innocent. Can someone explain RR's alibi that weekend? I dont know how could a lot of people speak about MH and HD but forget to talk about RR more.... Any reason why?

concernedperson

05-04-2006, 11:17 AM

I honestly think Tara was moving on from MH and I feel he kept interjecting himself into her life. The kind of relationship that says, I don't want you full time but I don't want anyone else to have you either. I have no hard facts for that other than his behavior where Tara is concerned. The Dateline interview with him just reinforced my feelings. JMO.

NancynNC

05-04-2006, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by neonorange
I know this may sound morbid, but here goes. I think the one who took Tara knew exactly what to do with her body. He has destroyed her body in such a way it would be a miracle if any part of her is found. Whatever she was wrapped in could be a clue or offer DNA to lock him up. I hope I am wrong but I strongly feel this is the case.

Just a question...one more...:)

Do you think the thing she was wrapped in was found in that pond??

Atok

05-04-2006, 05:42 PM

JH is the DNR guy and from what I've read of his work he knows alot about turkey habitat.

When you think about Georgia and the huge expanses of swamp and marsh, woodland and wells and you hear in the news about people disappearing or being abducted, 80,000 of them missing in America...

Without knowing the tone of his comment, can't it be assumed he said it with a sound of reluctance?

He thought there was little hope in the expanse of wilderness he works in everyday that they'd find her if someone had harmed her like all those news reports talk about .

But then days after this comment I also read he spent time handing out flyers and making helicopter trips with the ostracized MH.

Trying to be fair here.

I visualize a guy shaking his head saying, "Ain't never gonna find that girl" in a sort of sad, fatalistic opinion-sounding way.

Open to interpretation, isn't it?

Babes

05-04-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Hi V! :seeya:

I agree that the comment MH made about the two of them laughing about things, after MH suggested Tara shop outside Ocilla for a love interest, doesn't ring true.

If Tara was as distraught and depressed, over their break-up, as MH claimed, Tara enjoying a laugh with MH, after his claim of having rejected her, doesn't seem like a realistic reaction.

IMO

I agree with your point Why would MH tell Tara to shop outside Ocilla when Tara was dating RR that time? I mean Tara doesnt need anyone outside Ocilla if there is already a man she replaced MH who is even way younger and goodlooking and from what a lot of local are saying is a very kind man. Why cant MH tell Tara... goodluck on your "friendship" with RR instead?

Atok

05-08-2006, 05:06 PM

Why don't they put a picture of MH, AV, HD, RR, some classmates from the college and some other Tara suitors in front of that eye witness of the black truck from the weekend she went missing and see if any images ring any bells?

Who is to say they haven't.

MH may have a legitimate concern to his photo ops, but assuming it's to keep his face away from an eyewitness who maybe could ID him is begging the question.

BFD - v2.0

05-10-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Spell it out for us Results. where do you find discrepancies in what AG has said during interviews and what are the FACTS?

How can anyone know UNLESS they were first persons witnesss and aren't you in MS?

Just asking. Black and white means LINKS.

Let's diagram them!

:seeya:

One doesn't have to be privy to the facts. All a person needs to do is see inconsistencies.

Results did post a few things that were very clear inconsistencies.

If you were to state contradictory statements in different posts, we don't have to know what the real truth is. We just know that the contradictions speak as a falsehood on it's own.

BFD - v2.0

05-10-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Atok
Why don't they put a picture of MH, AV, HD, RR, some classmates from the college and some other Tara suitors in front of that eye witness of the black truck from the weekend she went missing and see if any images ring any bells?

Who is to say they haven't.

MH may have a legitimate concern to his photo ops, but assuming it's to keep his face away from an eyewitness who maybe could ID him is begging the question.

Have any of her classmates, professors or associates at any of the colleges she was taking classes at spoken publicly?

In other words... do we know for a FACT she was really attending classes at night and not using it as a cover for something else?

goldylocks

05-10-2006, 03:35 PM

BFD its so funny that you ask that question because i remember reading on one of the boards someone saying that Tara had another identity in another town i hope someone else remembers this this being brought up of coarse it was a poster that was banned i think

BFD - v2.0

05-10-2006, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by BeachPatrol

I disagree. Mostly because I wasn't referring to the "black truck witness". I meant ANY potential witness that may have seen him at specific places and/or specific times that night or in the days following. It could be something as simple as a trip to a convenience store. Full frontal facial images jog your memory. Profiles do not, IMO.

Gosh. I wonder why they include profile shots for bookings?

His "profile" shot on television was a joke. I would recognize him again if I saw him. His face wasn't "hidden" in any manner.

sweettater

05-10-2006, 08:45 PM

If he was trying to hide his "frontal view" face because he was afraid someone may recognize him as "the perp" he would have to be pretty darn stupid to get on tv at all (front view or profile). I feel sure he's not that dumb. JMO

Babes

05-11-2006, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by Results

Why hasn't AG told the truth? From the NG shows she hasn't been telling the truth either and that is not my opinion that is a FACT in black and white. Go ahead read the transcripts.

Because i believe AG was only fed by people she thought as Tara's real friends that's why she's always unsure of the info she's distributing to the public. I really want to know who are the first people in Ocilla who fed AG with information about Tara and her relationships. I like to know their intentions. How come AG is treating some informations as RUMOR only? I think she really wanted to find Tara but she's clueless and dependent on
the first people in Ocilla she trusted.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Thanks for posting the links V!

Well, I have to say that after reading both links, MH remains one of my prime suspects.

I'm going to assume that October 14th is the day Tara didn't show up for work. If she normally arrived at school at 8AM, and was, according to MH, knocking on his window at 9AM, and then returned again at around noon, then that was likely the day she didn't show up for work.

It seems that MH was with his LE friend riding around until 5:30AM Sunday morning, October 22nd. MH was with this friend for several hours, during a key period into Tara's disappearance timeline, and he was in Ocilla.

Pajadas also stated that he gad to appear in court when the state administered poly could have been given to MH, and so set up a private one quickly thereafter to dispel suspicion from his client. I can't digest that, for if that was truly his desire, Pajadas should have allowed the state to administer the test and should have sent another rep/attorney from his office to either accompany MH for the state poly, or appear in court in his stead.

I also find it remarkable that nothing happened to Tara until MH arrived back in GA from the middle east, and that they had two significant arguments preceding Tara's disappearance.

IMO

Was it normal for Marcus Harper to go on ride-alongs? If the answer is unknown, then it's somewhat presumptuous to assume it was out of the ordinary for him to do so and that it was "strange (or whatever)" that it occurred on the weekend Tara went missing. (You're also implicating another person in the conspiracy and as we've seen with that, the circle of conspirators has to keep growing ever larger to make the theory stick)

Since Pajadas' law firm only shows two attorneys, I don't know if it's reasonable to assume someone could take his place for the bending of schedules. (But we could grow the conspiracy a little bit larger and implicate the state of Georgia and it's vast resources in not being able to reschedule at a time more convenient to Pajadas' schedule)

Of the two "arguments" I've hard about, one of them has to be dimissed entirely because it allegedly happened before Marcus even arrived stateside. Right after that was ferretted out, it changed to Marcus yelling obscenities to her on a street corner. (And then it was said that was another person).

If someone spirited Tara off (whether it be foul play or by her choice) it is my opinion it would be someone she had recent contact with. Most likely on that Saturday.

If it was a recent breakup, I might understand all of these accusations towards Marcus. But they had split up a year previous to all of this happening.

I would be much more inclined to look at recent beau's in her life. Not someone a year removed from the situation.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Where I live now, and in fact everywhere I've lived in the past, it is not "normal" or usual, to see a civilian riding around in a police car, or with an officer while on duty. In fact, it might even be unlawful to do so.

I'm not stating this is what happened, but if a member of LE believed his friend was not tied to a crime, but could be considered a prime suspect, and didn't have an alibi for the timeline of said crime, this wouldn't be the first, nor the last time I suspect, that a member of LE would provide an alibi for a buddy, as his/her word would lend credence and weight.

MH not taking the state poly poses a problem for me as well.

IMO

You need to get out more.

Ever heard of the Explorers program? Those are kids.

I'm not aware of any police department that discourages ride-alongs.

But you side-stepped the question. I didn't ask if it was "normal" for ride-alongs to exist. I asked if you were aware of whether Marcus Harper had participated in ride-alongs in the past.

What if this was an every weekend thing he did? Wouldn't be so suspicious then, would it?

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

BFD - I know you were responding to Paula - but I wanted to jump in here.

I am not tracking down ONE road just yet... NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

However, the statements when side by side in that article sound like backpeddling to me. NOT THAT ANY THING BAD HAPPENED -

*snipped*

Backpedaling on what?

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

COME ON BFD - explorers don't ride graveyard shift on the weekends!

ANd explorers have written permission and PLANNED AND DOCUMENTED times - they are not spur of the moment - I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS WAS .

ALIBIS are big big deals and there has to be collaboration and there is a possibility for this to be true there had to be call placed to the chief asking for permission or to the desk sargeant and a form filled out - if for no other reason for INSURANCE PURPOSES.

And let's not forget we don't know what was in that formal complaint But the department might have been COMPELLED to NOT let MH ride along with SF anything - if that thing was still unsettled? RIGHT?

So did he ride? BY whose permission? Within policy-r outside of rules and regulations?

Those are valid areas of interest!

IMO

Some Explorers do indeed ride graveyard shifts.

The bottom line is that isn't abnormal in any way for ride-alongs to occur.

And especially since Marcus was an ex-police officer with the Ocilla PD, I find nothing odd about it whatsoever.

Marcus' alibi has corroboration. People just want to assume it's a "cover" or a "lie" to keep the window open.

He has an alibi up until 1am. (But people say they're lying because they're related to Marcus or whatever other kind of tripe they want to believe).

Marcus has an alibi while with Fletcher. What does Fletcher have to gain by covering up a murder? Nothing to gain and everything to lose. (And then the theory goes on some very strange twists that maybe Marcus "had something" on him and threatened to "tell all".)

Then his alibi for Sunday night is questioned (allegedly "getting rid of evidence") with this other individual. Going so far as to say Marcus' attorney is trying to "cover" by saying that someone saw a person in the truck. (This was allegedly some type of conspiracy between Marcus, the DNR agent, the person arrested and Marcus' attorney)

The further someone goes down this path, the more convoluted it becomes and the more gyrations that have to be performed to make it fit.

In my opinion it's ludicrous.

There is only one window of opportunity open for Marcus that I'm aware of. That is the time he was dropped off at his mother's house and the time someone in his mother's house saw him. That is a hole that will probably never be closed because there are no witnesses to him sleeping. (Unless his mother or someone in the house woke up when he came home and saw him)

There is a very concerted effort to try to make Marcus look suspicious, with even the most benign of actions. For some reason he (of all of Tara's beau's) has caught "someone's" attention when there is no evidence to warrant such attention.

I have not heard one single solitary person state Marcus was manipulative, controlling, abusive or ever treated Tara in a bad way. Not one. (Well, except for the obscenity yelling incident that I don't necessarily believe because there have also been accounts that it was someone else that did that)

The reason "why" someone has focused in on Marcus so quickly is what I want to know. "Who" started it? What was the motivations behind it?

Was it another man in Tara's life that started saying negative things about Marcus and dropping hints that Marcus could have done something to Tara? Shift attention so to speak?

As I've said in a previous post: I would be much more inclined to look at the men who were involved with Tara within the months prior to her dissappearance than the man who was removed from the relationship for a year.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

DId you read those two interviews side by side?

Yep.

Give me your opinion on what he was backpedaling on.

luvmy2labpups

05-11-2006, 02:48 PM

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
THAT particular ALIBI really is a DILLY in my estimation:

Let's see -

Riding graveyard shift with the very officer Tara lodged a formal complaint against a few months earlier...

1. HE was civilian - that requires a waiver and permission by most departments - whether it was the Cheif or the desk sargeant, these guys were never in positions of authorities with that department - they both had rules to follow. Were they following them?

The folks down in Ocilla could really dig and find out some of this stuff. What the policy and regulations are for ridealongs? Whether they are routinely grantly or whether this CHief says NO WAY. There is a paper trail.

2. Of all officers, SF - not whoever else was on that night but SF - the guy Tara lodged a formal complaint about.

MY GUT TELLS ME THAT WAS WHY THE GBI was down there - and may even explain why councilman JP was on the phone with the Chief! That complaint had to go somewhere. Usually city employee complaints like this go to the City COuncil who step back behind closed doors (closed session to discuss sensitive employee issues) and then something happens. Often times it is just a CUT IT OUT note in their personnel file or if unsubstantiated - the investigation report will be put inthe personnel file. No matter how you slice it. Something should be in SF's personnel file. And how many who have prying eyes have access in such a department? Probably MOST OF whole department knew! So when the request was made for the two of them to take off together late at night that night - didn't anyone say - MH you can ride - but we'd rather you do it with X over here... just less complicated, you know? OR someone using some brain cells and realizing - hey you don't work here - your ex caused SF some trouble. DOn't think it would look good for the two of you to be romping around together!

SF himself should have said - MH - enough in my file - ride with someone else...

As the account was recounted by attorney - MH went to Ocilla department and asked for SF, dispatcher found out where SF was and the two hooked up.

If it was a planned ridealong, why didn't he just wait til the guy got back to the station?

If it was a spur of the moment - why did the desk sargeant allow it?

And why did MH decide that night at that hour when he seemed to have a planned ridealong with DNR scheduled? Didn't he need his sleep?

How many ridealongs has MH been on SINCE that night? As well as before....

I see all sorts of open doors and windows.. and I need facts in order to close them. IN my mind they have to take on the table until they are resolved

Its an ALIBI FOR PETE'S SAKE - that is really really really important.

Like Paula says -it puts him in Ocilla during the time of her disappearance!

That is important.

Isn't it? You are starting to defend a POI are you?

Remember Paula and I are not looking through rose colored glasses --

:seeya:

The issue at hand is that police records will not be opened up to the public to satiate their desire to know more about this case.

The GBI will most definitely have the answers to those questions. Of that I have no doubt.

If things were as simple and as clearcut as some would like to theorize regarding Marcus Harper; the GBI would have him under arrest and being tried for murdered.

But since that hasn't happened, I would suggest having faith in the GBI. (I know, I know, you used to live in Georgia, the good ole boy network, etc., ad nauseum)

I don't believe in these huge conspiracies to make all of this work. Am I saying Marcus Harper shouldn't be considered? Of course not. But when I see blind speculation not based on anything (really) other than the fact he used to date Tara; it's ridiculous in my opinion.

Paula keeps mentioning this "argument". What argument? Anita says there is an argument? Was she there to witness this argument, or is she repeating what someone else has told her? And if that is the case, who is this someone that told her that?

We know for a fact that one of the "arguments" is bogus because it allegedly happened prior to Marcus coming back stateside. Does't give me a warm & fuzzy when trying to lay credibility on the other account of an "argument".

Who is putting the bug into Anita's ear? Heath? Larry? Faye? Maria? Someone unknown?

I personally don't believe Anita was well versed in Tara's daily activities. So she has to be getting these ideas from someone. Who?

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

If local LE took the public on ride-along when they are dispatched to crimes and the civilians were injured, I can only imagine the lawsuits which would occur. That is reckless behavior, IMO.

Personally, I've never seen it. And yes, I do get out, BD. How can I wear all those earrings I own if I didn't? :D

Well, then just Google (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-11,GGLJ:en&q=police+ride+along) Police Ride Along.

20,000,000 pages to read up on about the subject.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

*snipped*

You are starting to defend a POI are you?

Remember Paula and I are not looking through rose colored glasses --

:seeya:

I just noticed this in your post.

Yes, I will defend ANYONE that I feel is not being guaranteed their Constitutional Rights.

If you remember, I did the same for Ben Fawley. I was not defending his actions, but defending his right to a fair trial and defending his rights to the protections afforded by our Constitution.

When I see some of the silliest and strangest gyrations to "make" a square peg fit into a round hole, I will most surely call a spade a spade.

I have a very creative mind and have thought up some very imaginative methods people could utlize to pull of certain crimes. But there is a line that goes beyond credibility and steps right into the world of absurdity.

An alibi is an alibi is an alibi. The credibility of each person must be taken into account. What in the world has Fletcher said to make anyone believe he's capable of being an accessory to murder? Has the man even spoken publicly about any of this? How can someone "assume" he's not credible just because he's a friend of Marcus'?

I would imagine with Marcus' ties to the community that he's knows a LOT of people in Ocilla.

What would be anyone's motive for harming Tara? He's going to off her because she read his email? Come on... let's be real here.

You can be assured that when there is anything remotely credible to make me believe Marcus Harper did something to harm Tara, that I will be right there with everyone else asking for accountability and requesting the answers. Marcus has an alibi. It really is that simple. But once people start that conspiracy stuff to erode the alibi, that's when I have to hop off of that train. It's not credible, nor is it reasonable in my opinion.

fsbiii

05-11-2006, 03:19 PM

I hate to play the "South Georgia" card, but this happens ALL THE TIME. I frequently see friends of cops in their cars riding around town. Is it safe? Smart? Who knows - but it happens a lot.

fsbiii

05-11-2006, 03:34 PM

So Sunday wasn't an issue? Says who? Dr. Godwin and the magic window of disappearance? I think Sunday is highly relevant.

Plus, if he hadn't provided the Sunday night alibi, people would be screaming all over the net "What did he do Sunday night???"

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Ok -

Van Susteren Interview:
5 1/2 year relationship.

ENDED 2004. Tara called it quits wanted to find someone to marry her to COMMIT to her.

Between 2004 - 2005 - As he was in Ocilla, he dated her - she continued to press commitment button. He kept saying NO.

QUESTION: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU ACTUALLY SAW HER?

** he backpeddled to next to the last time he saw her - found that odd for a policeman. Anyway, he tells the account of Oct. 14 - a school day when Tara supposedly was NOT in her classroom but at his window tapping (which was not uncommon according to him- the window tapping that is- of course he could have been planted seeds too). She was crying/upset/irrational/told him if she found out HE was dating someone, she would commit suicide.

Then when asked DID YOU SEE HER AGAIN:

He says she came back in afternoon - no time offered. He says that she wanted to hug him for the last time. He told her it's not going to be last time. "We live in same small town. We'll continue to see each other, meaning face to face on street." He says she tells him I don't want you hating me. He tells her I do not hate you. No hard feelings, we just need to move on.

DID YOU SEE YOU AT ALL AFTER OCT 14 - 22- He says NO.

Dateline piece:

Marcus says last time they saw each other was a week before she went missing. Tara gave him an ultimatum - marry her or she was moving along. He said he chose to move along.

He tells the reporter: She wanted me back and all. I told her I've started shopping outside of Ocilla, I think you need to do the same. Everyone in this town is connected to us one way or another. He goes on to say she was crying at first. by the time she left we were kind of laughing about certain things, I mean, it wasn't gonna work out.

When asked directly if he had anything to do with her disappearance - he says; NO, no I don't wanna hurt any innocent civilian much less someone I spent 5 1/2 years of my life with.

In the first interview he goes through the day painting a scenario where Tara almost stalked him. The COMMITMENT WORD was used several times. Oddly he says she broke up with him in 2004 and yet when he was in town he made a point of taking her to movies and dating her! Then on Oct. 14 - he paints Tara as weak and unstable, threatening suicide. He suggests when they last spoke she was saying she did not want him to hate her- this was when she returned for that LAST HUG!

In the Dateline acccount he seemed to suggest she came at him with an ultimatum, blew up, cried, and then by the end of the encounter they were laughing.

I call that backpeddling.

IMO of course.

I

:seeya:

I think you need to re-read it then.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Thanks luvs -

Every department is going to have some sort of written policy regarding RIDEALONGS!

Their insurance carriers require it.

There are probably state laws in play too.

Not necessarily.

Do we know if Marcus is still certified as a peace officer in the state of Georgia?

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Pajadas didn't give a specific time, but it appears it occurred between 1:30AM - 5:30AM.

EXCERPT:

PAJADAS: Marcus can account for every minute of his time during that time. He has provided that information to the GBI. They have checked with everyone of the individuals that he was with. He was in the company of somebody, either a law enforcement, Department of Natural Resources, at home asleep, at his mother's house, at his father's house, I mean. I mean, every minute of the time has been accounted for, and every individual that was there has confirmed i.

As a matter of fact, this was kind of odd, but on Sunday night, he was with a friend of his that's a Department of Natural Resources Officer. While he was with him, he got a call. The officer got a call. Marcus rode out with him. Marcus stayed in the truck. It was originally a call about one type of offense. It turned out to be a different offense. Well, the guy came into our office to hire to us represent him on the thing and confirmed that there was a guy sitting in the truck. He didn't know who.

VAN SUSTEREN: At about 11:00 o'clock, midnight on Saturday, October 22, where was Marcus?

PAJADAS: He was with his stepsister and her boyfriend and two other friends up in Fitzgerald, at a bar.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is Fitzgerald local?

PAJADAS: Ten miles up the road.

VAN SUSTEREN: And how long did they stay at the bar?

PAJADAS: I think about 1:30, so 1:00 to 1:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: And then where did your client go at 1:30?

PAJADAS: He went — he came to the Ocilla law enforcement center, Irwin County law enforcement center, to find a friend of his that was on duty at the time, and I believe the dispatcher contacted him, found out where he was, and Marcus went with him.

VAN SUSTEREN: And left the relatives behind in the bar, or they went home their own way?

PAJADAS: Oh, yes. Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: They were not there?

PAJADAS: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then about 1:30...

PAJADAS: I might add Marcus doesn't drink, but they were at a bar where a friend of his was playing in the band.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So at 1:30, Marcus is off with a law enforcement officer.

PAJADAS: Correct.

VAN SUSTEREN: All night long or until about what time?

PAJADAS: I want to say it was the early morning hours because he was home at about — he left the officer and he was home about 5:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: And then goes to sleep at 5:30?

PAJADAS: Went to sleep..

On The Record With Greta LINK: (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html)

You are confusing details of two separate nights.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

From what I've read, the ride-alongs usually run for around 2 hours. According to Pajadas, this one lasted for 4 hours, until 5:30AM.

IMO

This is somewhat silly.

Marcus Harper wasn't an "ordinary citizen" just wanting to ride with a police officer to see what it was like.

As you may remember Paula, my father was a Chief of Police. During the summers I practically lived in a police car from sun up to sun down. I was just a kid then.

The point being is that I had an "in" to the situation. Same as Marcus does by being a former police officer with the Ocilla PD.

I would suggest someone petition the mayor and/or city council if they want to find out the details regarding Ocilla's policy for ride-alongs.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

WHY? TELL ME WHY - gee, that phrase brings back memories! Anyway,

I think he was purposefully in front of a camera to puff out his ego, save face, and tear down Tara- both times!

I can see why her sister can't stand him! To be honest!

His facts don't line up to me.

We don't know if she was out of school that friday - sure would like to know! We don't know if she ever came to his house - any witness? We don't know if she came, what was said - do we?

What we do know if Tara BROKE UP with MARCUS in 2004 - he and her friends agree on that. ANd they all agree it was HER CHOICE.

I have already listed multiple multiple places where MARCUSs own words hang him and contradict with a MAN who is trying to break free of a clinging or mental woman.

Many have posted where if nothing else he is a really really COLD FISH.

"no no. I don't wanna hurt any innocent civilian much less someone I spent 5 1/2 years of MY (emphasis added to demonstrate focus) life with."

He didn't even use her name. Come on BFD - I know there are a bunch of folks that want to rally to the gallows - so to speak.

I'm not one of them.

BUT there are alot of pointers that seem to suggest -

First account - she's mental - ready to blow...
(at the time the LE was saying RUNAWAY BRIDE!)

Second account - she's can't move on - a real pest!

There are some very flavorful pepperings is his account

And his attorney. GOOD GRIEF!

JUST MOO.

:seeya:

There is absolutely no inconsistency in his two interviews.

Didn't use her name? Like all of a sudden we're playing forensic psychologist or something???

So, when someone does use the victims name I guess that's an indictor they're innocent?

You're looking for stuff that isn't there.

But please, I won't argue the point any longer. You have your beliefs, I have mine. And my belief is that at this point there is absolutely nothing to indicate Marcus Harper did anything to harm Tara Grinstead.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Dont the need a body down there? They have to READY TO PROVE it was a crime - they need the body!

No.

Read up on Carrie Culberson's case.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by BeachPatrol

Not at that stage of the game. At that point, Tara had disappeared on "Saturday night" as far as anyone knew. Maybe LATER Sunday and/or Monday may have been an issue, but not early on, IMO. In fact, that early in the game Dr. Godwin wasn't even involved. It's funny how you seize every opportunity to find fault with Dr. Godwin, even BEFORE he's involved in the case.

:shrug:

The window is from Saturday (the time of her last documented phone call) to Monday morning when someone opened her home.

There are indications she was already gone on Sunday evening; but even at that point it still leaves Sunday morning and all day Sunday afternoon.

It has already been stated that if Tara didn't want to be bothered she wouldn't take her cell phone with her. I think her behavior while Anthony Vickers was beating on her door also is an indicator that if Tara didn't want to be bothered or have to deal with something at that point in time, she wouldn't.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by BeachPatrol

IMO, the motive is not as simple as Tara reading his email. She may have threatened his "livelihood" by learning of other activities he was participating in . This, he could not afford, IMO. SF may or may not have been a "pawn", also IMO.

What activities?

Is this another one of those shadows that can't be nailed down because it doesn't exist but in someone's mind to make the theory more viable?

What activities could she possibly "expose"?

Say it. And make sure you can back it up in some fashion. Even a sliver of corroboration will be appreciated.

Because if you're just going to start guessing he was working for the Bolivian drug cartel or was a hitman with the Russian mob or some other silly stuff, might as well save the time of typing it out.

Facts.

fsbiii

05-11-2006, 06:05 PM

We're an extremely long way from a murder indictment, body or no, IMO.

fsbiii

05-11-2006, 06:26 PM

So when Harper gave the interview to Greta, his whereabouts on Sunday didn't matter? It seems like he will never win for losing in some peoples' eyes, no matter what the facts show. Like BFD has theorized, Sunday morning might be when she was abducted (if she was abducted).

I find fault with Godwin's unsubstantiated amended statements, crystal ball timeframes, and weird methodology... no matter when he "got involved." You find fault with most of my postings, so it's kinda the same thing. We both have our reasons.

Originally posted by BeachPatrol

Not at that stage of the game. At that point, Tara had disappeared on "Saturday night" as far as anyone knew. Maybe LATER Sunday and/or Monday may have been an issue, but not early on, IMO. In fact, that early in the game Dr. Godwin wasn't even involved. It's funny how you seize every opportunity to find fault with Dr. Godwin, even BEFORE he's involved in the case.

:shrug:

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

How am I confusing the two separate nights if I'm quoting what Pajadas said?

What you quoted had nothing to do with the post you made regarding the person being arrested.

Two separate incidences.

From your original post:

The ride along alibi at that odd hour, in the middle of the crucial timeline of Tara's disappearance, in Ocilla, and the way if was "offered up", just didn't sit right with me. I came away feeling that the person charged with the crime, was included to offer additional credence to the buddy ride along alibi.

Those things did not occur on the same night.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by neonorange

Stories abound but I was told Tara was in her home screaming at the top of her lungs and begging AV to stop beating on her door and yelling. She tried to no avail to get him to stop before someone called the cops. Neighbors called the police and they arrived before he broke down her door. She also "dealt with" the situation by having an additional inside privacy lock installed.

Of course, others in Ocilla could probably share more about AV, but from my research concerning this young person, he was/is dealing with some emotional baggage from an injury and possible addiction to pain killers. At the time of the incident, this fact could have entered into his disturbing behavior.

I thought Heath was there when this happened? But yet the neighbors called the police?

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

Maybe it was because Heath was there that Tara wouldn't answer the door and didn't want the police called. JMO

I tend to agree with that line of thinking.

concernedperson

05-11-2006, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

I thought Heath was there when this happened? But yet the neighbors called the police?

Maybe Tara knew about his disabilities and didn't want to get him in trouble. Maybe she advised Heath to let her handle it. JMO.

BFD - v2.0

05-11-2006, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by concernedperson

Maybe Tara knew about his disabilities and didn't want to get him in trouble. Maybe she advised Heath to let her handle it. JMO.

Yep. That's exactly what I think.

I alluded to that in a post a while back.

Tara felt she could handle the situation herself. She would handle Anthony in a one-on-one setting where it would be more conducive to her getting her point across.

And she would do the same with Heath. (Explaining the situation)

Babes

05-11-2006, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by cbcrime

I just always found it so interesting that his attorney gave an alibi for Sunday/Monday when that wasn't even an issue.

I'ved said this in the beginning :seeya:

Babes

05-11-2006, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by fsbiii
So Sunday wasn't an issue? Says who? Dr. Godwin and the magic window of disappearance? I think Sunday is highly relevant.

Plus, if he hadn't provided the Sunday night alibi, people would be screaming all over the net "What did he do Sunday night???"

Greta was asking for MH'S ALIBI from Saturday to Monday morning but Pujadas jumped on Sunday night right away and that causes my suspicion. I would think that the emphasis on the beginning was Saturday night but for some reason Pujadas needed to emphasize right away the alibi on Sunday night ...Has nothing to do with Godwin's investigations. Pujadas interview at Greta came first before Godwin . IMO

Babes

05-11-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by elledub
Greta specifically asked about the time frame of Saturday night to Monday morning. He was just responding to her question:

'VAN SUSTEREN: The key question, of course, in every investigation is — you know, is, Where was your client during the important parts? I mean — and this, I guess, would be between October 22 at 11:00 PM and probably Monday morning on the 24th. Can you account for your client between those time?

Yes but i was expecting that Pujadas will be specific on Saturday night first but Pujadas pushed the Sunday night alibi right away and even call it odd.

concernedperson

05-12-2006, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by cbcrime
Does anyone really know about the complaint against SF that Tara filed? Was it a formal written complaint. Was it about SF handling of AV ie rough physical handling? Or was it about releasing confidential information?

I think in most PD's small or large - talking about the situation is usually the first attempt to resolve any citizen complaint. Of course citizens are always allowed to file a formal written complaint if they want to.

It would seem that Tara would try to settle this without a formal complaint unless she was really upset over the incident. I'm also assuming that in Ocilla a formal complaint is written. Is this correct?

I believe the complaint was about releasing confidential information. Can't answer if it was written or verbal, maybe someone else knows.

fsbiii

05-12-2006, 07:44 AM

I put the "complaint" in the speculation pile because it can't be verified with ANYONE, and only Anita told it to Nancy Grace as 2nd hand gossip from her sources in Ocilla. Did some checking... the fact pile is getting smaller and smaller.

concernedperson

05-12-2006, 08:13 AM

I wish we had more facts as well. I would like to know if Marcus was on a ride along with Sean and the times. It seems this is info related by the attorney and we all know the attorney says what the client told them to say.

But until and if Sean comes forward with verification...just one more thing to ponder.

Atok

05-12-2006, 12:47 PM

Exactly, Deepwater, there's plenty of MH and AV pics that are out there.

The request to not be portrayed frontally on current television shows have to be coming for a different reason, perhaps requested by people he has worked with recently. JMO

luvmy2labpups

05-12-2006, 01:37 PM

I think the GBI'S lack of public information is good despite my desire for them to release more. Further, the fact that they have not changed Tara's status is very telling and speaks louder then any speculation/rumor that is out there. If they could have put an end to the rumors by finding that SF or MH were lying in anyway and that their alibi was anything other then truth they sure would have been in a position to do it by now. I keep going back to their status because they are the only ones in a position to know what is coming in with regard to tips/information on Tara and if they had reason to believe that there was anything other then a missing person they could have very easily changed her status. In so many months with nothing changing I get the impression that the do know something and my thoughts are they feel she is alive.

Let's go back to the beginning, rumors of a fight with family, rumors of a break down on the way home, rumors of several male "friends", rumors of Tara's behavior changing weeks before she disappeared, clothes on the bed originally quoted as ready to be "packed", initial LE evaluation, no struggle in the house, Tara still dealing with feelings about MH and the list goes on. The funds being found in the car were stated as being two different amounts 100 & 300, don't know how much it was, but how do we know that Tara didn't take out 2,000, 5,000 or 50,000 and left some money in the car to be found so that her pets could be taken care of? All of the rumors sound like stressful situations that have become overwhelming. Then you take the other side of the equation with family claiming a wonderful relationship, tara not wanting to be with MH, no extra special relationships, so many habits that it would be unlikely and that list goes on as well. Now lets further assume even if Tara and her entire family had a fantastic relationship, they didn't live together, how does one know a family members habits really? You could guess but who knows? How would they know if Tara purchased several outfits over time that were missing? Do they know every duffle bag she had? Every pair of shoes? Every make up bag? Every pair of socks? I adore my family but I couldn't answer these questions about someone who doesn't reside in my home. It just doesn't ring true that they would ever know the answer to these things. Doesn't matter how close or distant their relationship is.

Every rumor from one camp leads to someone with mounting pressure/stress and someone who may want to escape. Every rumor from the other camp is fluffy and wonderful and would never be something that Tara would do. I guess it is all a matter of how you choose to view things.

Atok

05-12-2006, 02:17 PM

My information came in a PM from someone who said they are close to AV's family.

There needs to be more corraberation than some random PM I
know, but it's all I have for information.

They told me that the complaint was about the handling of AV at the scene. That the officer and AV physically scuffled and Tara filed a complaint because she felt the tussel was provoked by the officer and was heavy handed.

As a result of this complaint, AV was released with only a small fine.

This complaint had nothing to do with SF telling MH who might have been at Tara's house that day.

My question was, why didn't AV make that complaint, why did Tara. The answer I got was Tara being protective of AV, she felt it was her fault because she didn't answer the door and the eent wouldn't have escalated if she had. She felt bad for AV.

Whatisgoingon

05-12-2006, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Bnutty
Oh, no doubt Sassy-
I would do the same. But she is trash talking other people in community and trash talking the people that allowed her to live with them for 3 months b/c they asked her to leave their home. Don't you think that it is funny that the GBI has been investigating for months and hundreds of volunteers have been doing numerous searches. But within the first couple of days that Godwin was in Ocilla (who was brought here by AG) he has found all of this "new evidence". Do you honestly believe that the GBI didn't think to look under the rugs or look at stains on the kitchen floor. Come on.

I agree with what you are saying. I dont have a person that I would blaim, because like all of you I am baffled. But I do think that more people seem more guilty or would have more of a reason than Harper. About the godwin thing, by the tim e he got there so many people had been in and out her house. I do have a question though. A couple, 1. Is it true that everyone close to Tara knew that her and her sister were not close a t all. 2. Do people over there think that she did in fact have an affair with her bil?, and last WHat is the story of HD, has he been over there at all?
I know that what you heard could be rumor, but I have found most rumors have a hint of truth in them. Thanks for your input.

Whatisgoingon

05-12-2006, 05:04 PM

Did yall see AV's interview, where he swore he and Tara had an affair. What if they did and HD found out when he was beating done her door (because HD was in the home at the time). I am sure that MH friend S that was called to the scene said something to MH, but I dont think that, that would make him want her, she obviously had some issues and he was trying to stay away from her.
Why did she tell him that he was going to hate her?
Why did she speak as if that was the last time they would hug?
Why did she have the luncheon with the teachers (if thats true)?
Why the mental breakdown while driving.

I think that she was having a hard time emotionally, I usually like to wonder about LG, but the more and more I read I am very interested in HD, why haven't we heard anything out of him?

Another thing, there was another board up somewhere that had stated that she had been checking MH personal email, and that is where she saw another girl was emailing him. Do you think he may have threatened to file charges or telling the Le.

Im so confused!

Babes

05-15-2006, 12:49 AM

Can someone talk about the information that Tara went to RR first before she went to the cookout...

Babes

05-15-2006, 01:27 AM

So if MH is dating an 18 year old Girl then who is this girl?
What is her alibi that weekend? Does she hates Tara?

:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

mooloo

05-15-2006, 06:41 AM

BAM!!

Nice slamdunk!

With this said, This little So. Ga. Country Girl who must be really ignorant in the eyes of "The Lady With The Designer Lamps" bids you 'GOOD DAY', MAM ! :seeya: [/B]

BFD - v2.0

05-16-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
BUMP- because Babe's questions remains unanswered.
And it is a great one!

Also, I used to be able to link to the Georgia Southern Site where there was a mini bio for Rhett.

Anyone have that link? Mine is now dead.

Let me see if I have this right -
Rhett was a pitcher at Georgia Southern University. He played between 1998 - 2001 seasons - at least one of them was a CHAMPIONSHIP winner year!

He was in Statesboro then, right? That is where Georgia Southern is, right?

The mini bio stated he sold a Web HOSTING businessand returned to Ocilla to teach and coach - or at least that is what I thought it said - I did not recall ever seeing where this guy was artistic and did web design -an entirely different field. The only thing I recall was he had a webHOSTING business.

LINDSAY and all, can you help me find links.

I tried the school's site and the one owned by Hiers. Says the photo links are down right now. As usual our work on the forum was yanked and is now gone!

I have two other questions-

WHO IS LINDA ROBERTS? Apparently teaches also at high school with Rhett and Tara and in the same department as Rhett right- the Math department?

http://www.irwin.k12.ga.us/ichs/Faculty.htm

and

Are these Roberts related to Julia and Eric Roberts, the acting Roberts from GA? totally off topic - Just curious.

IMO - as always.

This guy's name is Rhett? From Georgia? And Tara is missing?

Okay, I know this isn't funny... but there sure have been a lot of Gone With The Wind overtures in this case.

Talk about freaky.

mooloo

05-16-2006, 06:47 PM

You are very welcome. I think people who are not here are not aware of many things. Some of us can manage our computers quite well. For instance, I am especially dazzling with my Apple IIe skillz!

Now, if I could just master the remote for the DVD, Tivo, tv, VCR, Dish and DirectTV! It is, indeed, a beast.

Originally posted by sogalady

Mooloo, THANKS ! I am glad that you liked it ! LOL. Maybe, I went a little over the top, but it is one thing to attempt to investigate in hopes that Tara is found, as most of us are, despite the accusations and "hints", but, recently there are some that come really close to jumping on the "gossip train" by the name of " poor pitiful me, I am just trying to help, but you sad little 'country folks down in the Ga. sticks' just aren't up to date in your computer technology for my class of investagion", as per my interpretation. That is actuallly the way that I feel, not as a resident of Irwin Co. but as "proud So. Ga. Lady" as I read more and more of some of our fellow posters ! :patriot:

The R

05-17-2006, 05:49 AM

Anyone know what type of vehicle RR drives?

Babes

05-22-2006, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by The R
Anyone know what type of vehicle RR drives?

I am pretty sure some locals here knew what RR is driving but it is too obvious that some of them refused to talk about RR.

The R

05-22-2006, 05:41 AM

Babes.....

maybe I should've asked what kind of vehicle he was driving in October 2005......

R

mooloo

05-22-2006, 07:12 AM

IMOO it was not RR. Not sure he was interested too much in Tara, friends---yes, serious---probably not.

Where is the list of boyfriends? Go to another one, there are several, right?

Originally posted by Babes
Ok, we needed some answers on this conflicting stories we are getting. Acording to Missy Davis Interview on TV that she spoke to Tara's bf about this and was sad on what happened . Now poster General Lee made a very good question.... Who is this BF. Some locals claimed it was RR. I checked some other threads and other message board and claimed it was RR too. Now another poster , IBC, said on his post

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=246350&perpage=40&pagenumber=27

I dont want to put IBC on the spot but i felt someone needs to clear this informations because every angles on this case, whether these people are innocent or not, should be discussed.
If RR isnt the last bf then who is this guy Missy Davis referring to as the last BF. This is important because one neighbor claimed that they saw Tara on a curb talking to a boyfriend.

Babes

05-22-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by mooloo
IMOO it was not RR. Not sure he was interested too much in Tara, friends---yes, serious---probably not.

Where is the list of boyfriends? Go to another one, there are several, right?

Hi how do you know he isnt serious with Tara? Any personal relationship with him? Sorry i dont want to sound sarcastic but this isnt what am hearing from other locals. There is one local who told me on my pm that RR is jealous of MH that's why he and Tara is breaking up.

Yes there are several boyfriends talked on another thread but when there is different answers on a simple question then the more i become curious on the truth. Plus this thread is about RR so let's talk about RR and we'll talk about other boyfriends on another thread.

So what car is RR driving on October 2005? Can you share it with us . Thanks :seeya:

Babes

05-22-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by The R
Babes.....

maybe I should've asked what kind of vehicle he was driving in October 2005......

R

Right.

I am surprise that many people think RR is innocent but they cannot established his alibis during that weekend. Many are curious about HD and MH but what about RR ? According to one poster here, Tara saw RR before she went to the cook-out, to me that is a very important information we needed to discuss.
RR might be the the very nice gentleman guy they have in Ocilla but he's not excused on this case. Look at the BTK case, who in the earth is going to think that a good father and husband is the BTK killer? No one.

NancynNC

05-22-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

I can answer this but I don't have a link so you'll just have to take my word, or not. The bf that Missy Davis was referring to was MH. The anchor (Greta or Nancy - can't remember which) was talking about Tara and her 6 year relationship with MH and then asked Missy Davis if she had talked to him since Tara went missing. She said yes, she had and he was upset/worried/sad.

RR was not mentioned in that interview. In fact, I don't think his name had even come up in any interviews or articles at all at that point.

You are correct Lindsey. I saw that interview and it was early on. We did not even know of RR and They were talking about her 6 year bf.

The R

05-22-2006, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Babes

Right.

I am surprise that many people think RR is innocent but they cannot established his alibis during that weekend. Many are curious about HD and MH but what about RR ? According to one poster here, Tara saw RR before she went to the cook-out, to me that is a very important information we needed to discuss.
RR might be the the very nice gentleman guy they have in Ocilla but he's not excused on this case. Look at the BTK case, who in the earth is going to think that a good father and husband is the BTK killer? No one.

That IS the way to look at it Babes!!!!

IF foul play occured and one doesn't have a rock solid alibi then EVERYONE is a suspect........

R

(all MO, of course)

Babes

05-22-2006, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

I can answer this but I don't have a link so you'll just have to take my word, or not. The bf that Missy Davis was referring to was MH. The anchor (Greta or Nancy - can't remember which) was talking about Tara and her 6 year relationship with MH and then asked Missy Davis if she had talked to him since Tara went missing. She said yes, she had and he was upset/worried/sad.

RR was not mentioned in that interview. In fact, I don't think his name had even come up in any interviews or articles at all at that point.

Thank you Lindsey.

Does Tara and RR have a relationship? Are they fighting because RR is jealous of MH? Did Tara see RR before she went to the cook-out? And what car is RR driving? What is his alibis that weekend that Tara vanished? sorry for too many questions , i am just happy that at least you are sharing us informations about RR that a lot of people wont and i dont know their reasons

mooloo

05-22-2006, 09:19 PM

I guess some locals have their opinions and other locals have their opinions and nobody agrees with nobody. :confused:

Car not black.

Originally posted by Babes

Hi how do you know he isnt serious with Tara? Any personal relationship with him? Sorry i dont want to sound sarcastic but this isnt what am hearing from other locals. There is one local who told me on my pm that RR is jealous of MH that's why he and Tara is breaking up.

Yes there are several boyfriends talked on another thread but when there is different answers on a simple question then the more i become curious on the truth. Plus this thread is about RR so let's talk about RR and we'll talk about other boyfriends on another thread.

So what car is RR driving on October 2005? Can you share it with us . Thanks :seeya:

Babes

05-23-2006, 12:32 AM

Thank you mooloo and Linday for your responses

NancynNC

05-23-2006, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Babes
So if MH is dating an 18 year old Girl then who is this girl?
What is her alibi that weekend? Does she hates Tara?

:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

That is the BIG question, Babes.

Many are spending their time trying to guess posters real names, where our messages are coming from, and what the family is wearing. Why not try to find out who this girl is, and IMO there is a girl? Many say they have connections to the locals that are filling in them on everything, why not find out who this girl is?

I sure pray that GBI knows.

NancynNC

05-23-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
The GBI knows the whole story. They have the emails. There was no dating going on.

Thanks, I have never thought the gf was a motive for anything but maybe it could have led to an arguement that got out of control. JMOO

NancynNC

05-23-2006, 08:04 PM

What was said? I missed something.

BFD - v2.0

05-23-2006, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC
What was said? I missed something.

With all due respect, it was obviously a slanderous insinuation and was removed and/or edited for that reason. Which would mean that if someone was to say what was said, it would be removed and/or edited again.

LOL

NancynNC

05-23-2006, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

With all due respect, it was obviously a slanderous insinuation and was removed and/or edited for that reason. Which would mean that if someone was to say what was said, it would be removed and/or edited again.

LOL

Yes, I asked a stupid question. Just shocked me.:)

concernedperson

05-25-2006, 02:38 PM

It seems the name Bennie Merritt has crossed this forum before. Seems to be an off balance person with possibly a substance abuse problem. Can anyone shed more light on him?

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
I guess several witnesses make an alibi "too perfect"? Will he ever FATHOM that Harper MIGHT NOT BE THE GUILTY PARTY? His stubborness is quite laughable. If he'd devote his "skill" to being objective, he MIGHT be worth something. MIGHT.

It's sad.

9 witnesses = "alibi too perfect".

0 witnesses = "no alibi"

I wonder just what the heck is a good alibi in Godwin's opinion? Or does that all depend upon the person's name?

If someone twists up some ridiculous conspiracy involving 9 separate people to try to make Harper fit into the guilty position; then they're living in la-la-land in my opinion.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by kelloggirl
Wow! A new article! And with new information and everything - shocking! GBI has seemed so tight-lipped on anything revolving around this case, that it is a nice surprise to get new facts to speculate over.

"Alibi too perfect" - what does that even mean? What an odd statement to make, given so many corroborating witnesses. If someone were determined to pin something on Harper, I wouldn't go down that path. I'd focus on the fact that the window of opportunity extends well into Sunday night, and that Harper doesn't (seem to) have a solid alibi for 5am -10am. I mean, I used to sneak into my house at 6am when I was supposed to be home at 2am, and my mom, who is the world's lightest sleeper, never knew. (Not making any accusations, just commenting on the strangeness of Godwin's reason for suspicion.)

I think one thing this article helps to do is dismiss the ridiculous statements some have made regarding Sean Fletcher. The man was obviously doing his job that night; not conspiring to cover up a murder as some have alluded to in their posts.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by IrwinIndian
2 policemen
1 dispatcher
1 Bennie Merritt
5 Citizens
====
9 Witnesses

Did you miss the 5 citizens part?

The business about Fletcher telling Harper about Tara & HDkes was DENIED by Fletcher. The only person who has touted that about is Anita Gattis, and even she said "she was told" that it happened.

You are correct.

There are police reports to backup this information. But again, some people want to focus in one direction. Let them do it. It's wasted energy in my opinion.

The one thing this story does is put a halt to some of the speculation regarding Sean and Marcus' movements that night. Of course people can still want to push their own agenda; but at this point they do it at their own peril since it has been documented via a news report.

concernedperson

05-25-2006, 09:35 PM

I am not turning into a Marcus Harper fan club member. But certain things have raised my hinkey meter and those things are pretty bad. So bad, that I have contacted LE and my ISP.

So, hackers watch your back because any loyalty I had before is now gone. They are tracking and I will prosecute.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I also wonder how often MH called Fletcher at nearly 2AM, while he was on duty, to ask if he could accompany him on his shift?

Ask him.

And while you're at, head on down to the Ocilla PD and see if you can find out the names of the citizens who saw him that evening with OFFICER Fletcher.

I find it really disturbing when folks have gone beyond "hinky meters feelings" to absolute absurdity to keep the focus on one person.

I'm really starting to wonder if the people so vehemently wanting Marcus to be the focus have something to hide themselves. It seems rather... "hinky". ;)

muipeso

05-25-2006, 10:30 PM

A person going from Fitzgerald to Ocilla at 1AM Sunday morning could make the trip in 8 minutes or less IMO. A 40 minute window of opportunity for a highly organized master planner iExtreemly familiar with the locality, is sufficient to make contact with Tara, do what ever it was that actually happened, store the body in a "safe" location for later disposal. Then the next best thing to do is go check in with your local LE and make your presence highly visible. At some later date, you retrieve Taras body and make a "final" disposal.. It makes sense to me. Is this what they mean by an Alilbi thats to perfect?

A person of interest who has motive, opportunity, and has specific skills and assets who is also "in the immediate vicinity" of a crime scene during the time of the crime tends to look like and sound like O J Simpson... oH NO NOT AGAIN!

Hey Paula asks the question how many times previous to this was a "ride around" set up with Fletcher? A good question IMO. The problem is the same as with Poor Natalie Holloway. No Evidence.

Babes

05-25-2006, 10:36 PM

So let's analyze the article

A few minutes later, Fletcher and Harper left the residence and searched for Merritt, a neighbor of Tara's, who had allegedly frightened the couple on West 4th Street.

What time is this? Merritt is a neighbor of Tara and Fletcher and Harper went there per article. How long they stayed there?

IMO alibi isnt perfect. The article placed Fletcher and Harper on Tara's neighborhood on the night probably Tara vanished and didnt emphasize how long they stayed there. Taking Tara will not take 1 hour.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

*snipped*
For a guy who wanted his freedom from Tara, I wouldn't expect him to be doing ride-alongs all weekend with LE buddies.

Now, be nice! ;)

What in the world do those two things have to do with each other?

I'm trying really hard to understand the nexus between him not wanting a commitment with Tara and him going on a ride-along with a police officer.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by muipeso
A person going from Fitzgerald to Ocilla at 1AM Sunday morning could make the trip in 8 minutes or less IMO. A 40 minute window of opportunity for a highly organized master planner iExtreemly familiar with the locality, is sufficient to make contact with Tara, do what ever it was that actually happened, store the body in a "safe" location for later disposal. Then the next best thing to do is go check in with your local LE and make your presence highly visible. At some later date, you retrieve Taras body and make a "final" disposal.. It makes sense to me. Is this what they mean by an Alilbi thats to perfect?

A person of interest who has motive, opportunity, and has specific skills and assets who is also "in the immediate vicinity" of a crime scene during the time of the crime tends to look like and sound like O J Simpson... oH NO NOT AGAIN!

Hey Paula asks the question how many times previous to this was a "ride around" set up with Fletcher? A good question IMO. The problem is the same as with Poor Natalie Holloway. No Evidence.

Cool. Someone who has figured out a motive.

What would Marcus Harper's motive be for harming Tara?

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Scooby

Not to mention he'd supposedly been at a bar half the night... If that were true, any normal person, IMO, would want to go home and sleep.

What time did he wake up that day?

Babes

05-25-2006, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

What time did he wake up that day?

Per article ived read, by 10:00-10:30 he went to his Father's house because he slept on his mother's house and reached his mother's house at 5:30am. Article said that Fletcher and MH ended the job by 4:28 am and couple minutes later Harper went home...so assuming couple minutes later is 4:45-5:00am then where did he go before 5:30 am? He said he was home by 5:30 am

PAJADAS: I want to say it was the early morning hours because he was home at about — he left the officer and he was home about 5:30.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Babes

Per article ived read, by 10:00-10:30 he went to his Father's house because he slept on his mother's house and reached his mother's house at 5:30am. Article said that Fletcher and MH ended the job by 4:28 am and couple minutes later Harper went home...so assuming couple minutes later is 4:45-5:00am then where did he go before 5:30 am? He said he was home by 5:30 am

No. I wanted to know what time he woke up to start his Saturday.

The inference was that he would have been tired after being in the bar until 1 or 1:30. Probably a reasonable assumption if he woke up at 9 or 10 that morning.

But if he's a night owl and didn't wake up until 1 or 2 in the afternoon, then he most likely wouldn't be tired come 1:30 am.

Babes

05-25-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

No. I wanted to know what time he woke up to start his Saturday.

The inference was that he would have been tired after being in the bar until 1 or 1:30. Probably a reasonable assumption if he woke up at 9 or 10 that morning.

But if he's a night owl and didn't wake up until 1 or 2 in the afternoon, then he most likely wouldn't be tired come 1:30 am.

Saturday or Sunday?

But this is the statement by Pujadas as MH's alibi

VAN SUSTEREN: So then about 1:30...

PAJADAS: I might add Marcus doesn't drink, but they were at a bar where a friend of his was playing in the band.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So at 1:30, Marcus is off with a law enforcement officer.

PAJADAS: Correct.

VAN SUSTEREN: All night long or until about what time?

PAJADAS: I want to say it was the early morning hours because he was home at about — he left the officer and he was home about 5:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: And then goes to sleep at 5:30?

PAJADAS: Went to sleep..

VAN SUSTEREN: Until what time, approximately?

PAJADAS: The next morning, he — I want to say it was about 10:00, 10:30, I believe it was, he came into town, as I recall.

Babes

05-25-2006, 10:52 PM

Oh i see what you mean BFD lol.... forgive me i just got back from work LOL

Babes

05-25-2006, 11:19 PM

I am assuming the night is quiet on a Saturday night on this small town but it looks like residents are still awake... Did anyone else see a black truck parked there other than the young witness that they mentioned before?

NancynNC

05-25-2006, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Cool. Someone who has figured out a motive.

What would Marcus Harper's motive be for harming Tara?

I still think it was an arguement that got out of hand. I did not learn any thing new from the article. I never thought Fletcher was personally involved. IMOO MH had to get an alibi. When he brought Tara's car back he could have walked to the police station. The article never says where his truck was during the night.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

If the W. Fourth Street Address was near Tara's house then the 2:45 call put them in her neighborhood, and since Merritt was a neighbor, it would seem logical that they would go to his home next - but wait - NO THEY DIDN'T - the two of them stayed at the house and talked to the residents for awhile right? SO did the OTHER PD officers or the Sheriff's department venture over to Merrit's house to see if he was there? Who was on Tara's street or very close to her house that night?

Here are my questions:

Where EXACTLY on W. Fourth was call.

What were Merrit's movements from W. Fourth -just before 2:45 AM to the Convenience store one mile outside of Ocilla where he was arrestesd by Sheriff deputies at ? (what exact time?)?

For some reason I don't seem to be able to follow just exactly what Sean and Marcus were doing that night - am I the only one?

From the map I've seen of Ocilla, EVERYONE is a "neighbor". The whole town is like 15 or 20 blocks each way... No matter where they were in Ocilla, they would have been near Tara's house.

Babes

05-25-2006, 11:28 PM

But this is a small town.
They know who are the strangers in this town
They know their daily weekdays and weekends.

If this article said it is a perfect alibi for MH then i fully disagree. They just placed himself on the area where Tara possibly vanished. It doesnt take 30 minutes to take Tara out of her house..

Dogs are barking all night per Mrs P . What is the exact time of this barking?

As a matter of fact, to Tara`s next-door neighbor, Joe Portier, your wife heard the dog barking her head off in the early-morning hours the night she disappeared, right?

PORTIER: That`s right, Nancy. She made the comment over coffee that morning that she could just ring Dolly`s neck, a Southern expression, for barking all night.

NancynNC

05-25-2006, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Babes
I am assuming the night is quiet on a Saturday night on this small town but it looks like residents are still awake... Did anyone else see a black truck parked there other than the young witness that they mentioned before?

This is from AG's interview with CC that a truck was spotted there between 5:30 and 6 on Monday morning by a neighbor who was going to a convenient store. He said it was a dark truck and could have been a Ford or a Chevy. Nothing specific.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

I still think it was an arguement that got out of hand. I did not learn any thing new from the article. I never thought Fletcher was personally involved. IMOO MH had to get an alibi. When he brought Tara's car back he could have walked to the police station. The article never says where his truck was during the night.

So you believe between 1:00/1:30 am and 1:45 am (between 15 and 45 minutes), Harper drove to Tara's house, got into an argument. Murdered her. Took her car and drove her body somewhere to hide it. Drove back to her house. Got in his truck. Then drove to the police station to hang out with Sean for the night?

Now, he called the police department prior to going there. So, did he call the PD before or after murdering Tara?

And if we fathom all of this happening in a 45 minute (being very gracious with the time) period... well, well... I just don't know what to say because it's so absolutely asinine in my opinion.

Babes

05-25-2006, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

So you believe between 1:00/1:30 am and 1:45 am (between 15 and 45 minutes), Harper drove to Tara's house, got into an argument. Murdered her. Took her car and drove her body somewhere to hide it. Drove back to her house. Got in his truck. Then drove to the police station to hang out with Sean for the night?

Now, he called the police department prior to going there. So, did he call the PD before or after murdering Tara?

And if we fathom all of this happening in a 45 minute (being very gracious with the time) period... well, well... I just don't know what to say because it's so absolutely asinine in my opinion.

IMO I dont think someone was murdered on Tara's house. Possibly abducted her from there only and took her somewhere else.

How many minutes is the drive from Tara's house going to that burnt house?

Babes

05-25-2006, 11:47 PM

NancynNC

05-25-2006, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

So you believe between 1:00/1:30 am and 1:45 am (between 15 and 45 minutes), Harper drove to Tara's house, got into an argument. Murdered her. Took her car and drove her body somewhere to hide it. Drove back to her house. Got in his truck. Then drove to the police station to hang out with Sean for the night?

Now, he called the police department prior to going there. So, did he call the PD before or after murdering Tara?

And if we fathom all of this happening in a 45 minute (being very gracious with the time) period... well, well... I just don't know what to say because it's so absolutely asinine in my opinion.

No, I think Tara drove and found him or met him. That call from ME made Tara mad. IMOO He called after the murder.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Babes

How did MH arrive in the bar?
Did he even bring his truck or ride with his step-sister?
How did he arrive in the police station? If he uses his truck then i would think there is a possibly some LE people who witnessed that he used his truck and parked it outside

Sometime after 1 a.m., Harper left the bar and drove to Ocilla looking for a friend of his, Sgt. Sean Fletcher, an Ocilla police officer.

But here is the most important part of the entire article:

In the days following Tara's disappearance, investigators reviewed the details of Harper and Fletcher's activities, activities for which the pair were able to identify some nine witnesses, two of them police officers, one of them a dispatcher, and the rest citizens, including Merritt who had been the focus of so much of their attention that morning.

They also took a close look at Merritt, as well, authorities have said.

But so far, the investigators have turned up no evidence to suggest that any of them were involved in Tara's disappearance, which remains, now seven months, as she vanished, a missing person's case.

BFD - v2.0

05-25-2006, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

No, I think Tara drove and found him or met him. That call from ME made Tara mad. IMOO He called after the murder.

Okay, so she met him somewhere.

You're cutting your time down drastically. The 45 minute time frame is being gracious by allowing the maximum amount of time known.

So, she meets him somewhere, murders her. Has to somehow get her vehicle back to her house and then walks back to his vehicle?

That's an awful lot of stuff happening within a (gracious) 45 minute timeframe.

And I'm just curious, what makes you think a phone call "made Tara mad"? Did Tara tell you this? Were you one of the last to talk to her? If not, I'm curious as to how you make a leap to saying Tara was mad.

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
The article goes on to say

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0506/2501_tara_grinstead_fletcher_harper2.html

"Authorities reported that the man appeared intoxicated and was later apprehended by a sheriff's deputy, but not before he had allegedly frightened the night clerk at a local gas and convenience store about a mile outside of Ocilla.

According to records reviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, both Fletcher and Harper responded to the call at the all-night service station and market, and by the time they were done, it was 4:28 a.m."

It appears that the two responded to where Merritt was arrested by a Deputy Sheriff. This was in the county, a mile outside of Ocilla.

Is that normal? Why did a dispatcher send them there? Or were they dispatched there? What does "by the time they were done" mean?

The SHERIFF DEPARTMENT had jurisdiction and made the arrest - why were they there in the first place? Were they close by and who responded when? Obviously the Sheriff's department made the arrest -

What are the times on the Sheriff's deputy's arrest record?

And once more - did the Sheriff vehicle have an onboard camera?

Just curious.

Do you think the GBI checked out any of these things for corroboration?

I do.

No matter how badly people want to dig through Harper, I can guarantee you that the GBI is not full of a bunch of Barney Fife's bumbling their way through life. They're professionals. They know what they're doing.

Babes

05-26-2006, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Sometime after 1 a.m., Harper left the bar and drove to Ocilla looking for a friend of his, Sgt. Sean Fletcher, an Ocilla police officer.

But here is the most important part of the entire article:

In the days following Tara's disappearance, investigators reviewed the details of Harper and Fletcher's activities, activities for which the pair were able to identify some nine witnesses, two of them police officers, one of them a dispatcher, and the rest citizens, including Merritt who had been the focus of so much of their attention that morning.

They also took a close look at Merritt, as well, authorities have said.

But so far, the investigators have turned up no evidence to suggest that any of them were involved in Tara's disappearance, which remains, now seven months, as she vanished, a missing person's case.

MH could be driving his mother's car and not his black truck at all LOL.

Article isnt complete IMO.

Those witnesses are based on the time frame the article mentioned but the article didnt mentioned exact times they left the area. Specially the time MH departed SF but he reached his house at 5:30am. A possible 30 minutes gap and anything can happen on this IMO.

LOL As far as i know LE got no straight evidence against Scott killing Laci as well. Pure circumstancial evidence only. A possible same situation on this case.
:seeya:

Babes

05-26-2006, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
The article goes on to say

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0506/2501_tara_grinstead_fletcher_harper2.html

"Authorities reported that the man appeared intoxicated and was later apprehended by a sheriff's deputy, but not before he had allegedly frightened the night clerk at a local gas and convenience store about a mile outside of Ocilla.

According to records reviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, both Fletcher and Harper responded to the call at the all-night service station and market, and by the time they were done, it was 4:28 a.m."

It appears that the two responded to where Merritt was arrested by a Deputy Sheriff. This was in the county, a mile outside of Ocilla.

Is that normal? Why did a dispatcher send them there? Or were they dispatched there? What does "by the time they were done" mean?

The SHERIFF DEPARTMENT had jurisdiction and made the arrest - why were they there in the first place? Were they close by and who responded when? Obviously the Sheriff's department made the arrest -

What are the times on the Sheriff's deputy's arrest record?

And once more - did the Sheriff vehicle have an onboard camera?

Just curious.

Maybe SF collected informations since there is an open complaint against Merritt inside 'Ocilla" before the incident happened outside 'Ocilla" . They need witnesses against Merritt maybe?

NancynNC

05-26-2006, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Okay, so she met him somewhere.

You're cutting your time down drastically. The 45 minute time frame is being gracious by allowing the maximum amount of time known.

So, she meets him somewhere, murders her. Has to somehow get her vehicle back to her house and then walks back to his vehicle?

That's an awful lot of stuff happening within a (gracious) 45 minute timeframe.

And I'm just curious, what makes you think a phone call "made Tara mad"? Did Tara tell you this? Were you one of the last to talk to her? If not, I'm curious as to how you make a leap to saying Tara was mad.

Of course I did not talk to her. My gosh. IMOO Tara bowed out of the cookout, said she was tired and going to watch a video that most have said did not exist. She hurriedly changed. IMOO that is why her bedroom was not tidy and her shoes not put away. I do not think a crime occurred there.

Fletcher got a phone call from dispatcher at 1:49 am. Does not say he met him at that time.

What time did they join up?

snip'

At about 1:49 a.m., Fletcher was checking doors in downtown Ocilla when he received a call from the dispatcher telling him that Harper was looking for him, according to the account Fletcher has given to authorities. Fletcher contacted Harper, the two joined up, and they walked Fletcher's beat together. In the course of the next hour, Fletcher had at least one conversation with another police officer.

Babes

05-26-2006, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Wouldn't the first thing the GBI do be to confirm and reconstruct that alibi timeline. I get the idea that the GBI sees holes in the alibi timeline.

As to the two police officers. The article says that when they responded to the W. First Street address two deputies responded too. There are the residents at that location Marcus spoke to. - no idea how many actually were there.

Then there was where the arrest took place - maybe the same deputies at the Convenience Store? Possibly.
Sure would like to know for sure. GBI knows for sure.
While at that convenience store, there could have been any number of people who walked in and out that could have seen Marcus there - easily the clerk and Merritt.

I wonder about the period "when they were looking for Merritt" - any of the witnesses during that period. I think that is important.

the article does not say when the 9 witnesses saw Marcus - for a Saturday night, I would have expected more than 9 and maybe even more than 2 police - if there were more police on duty that night 2 sheriff's deputies and Fletcher, that is. The dispatcher? didn't Marcus' attorney say he went to the station and asked where Sean was? Was there when the dispatcher saw him?

I don't know. I think I see holes.

For the life of me I have thought someone that Tara did not know well most likely caused her disappearance but every article and interview makes me ponder things.

Just MOO.

:seeya:

IMO i think the holes are the "time gap" on the article. Article is not specific and lead us sleuthers to critisize those "time gap" but all i know is this article just placed MH to Tara's neighborhood on the night Tara possibly vanished. :seeya: Now who else is in this neighborhood that Saturday night?

Babes

05-26-2006, 12:24 AM

Is there any possibility that MH left the bar earlier than 1 am ?

NancynNC

05-26-2006, 12:55 AM

And the big question is WHY did MH go through the dispatcher?

Why, oh, why?

NancynNC

05-26-2006, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
"In the days following Tara's disappearance, investigators reviewed the details of Harper and Fletcher's activities, activities for which the pair were able to identify some nine witnesses, two of them police officers, one of them a dispatcher, and the rest citizens, including Merritt who had been the focus of so much of their attention that morning."

Tell me does this paragraph say that there were two investigators who were able to identify nine witnesses or does it say that Fletcher and Harper were able to identify nine witnesses?

:shrug:

When you put it like that, it doesn't say much.

MH and F identified nine witnesses and investigators reviewed the details. What is that saying? Surely it means they have questioned these people, but we do not know the results. IMOO the witnesses were able to back them up. But still holes exist.

Babes

05-26-2006, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC
And the big question is WHY did MH go through the dispatcher?

Why, oh, why?

He could have call SF directly.

Maybe MH knows his home phone only but not SF's cell?

Well if they are really buddy then i would think MH will have SF's cell phone number.

How did MH knows that SF is working that very early Sunday Morning?

How close is MH and SF for MH to go visit him at work that time?

Babes

05-26-2006, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Where are my manners! So Sorry!

Hello Babes, Nancy, and Paula!

Hi Matt :seeya:

NancynNC

05-26-2006, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
Where are my manners! So Sorry!

Hello Babes, Nancy, and Paula!

Hi M71, you look good this morning. I missed you the last couple of days.:seeya:

NancynNC

05-26-2006, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Babes

He could have call SF directly.

Maybe MH knows his home phone only but not SF's cell?

Well if they are really buddy then i would think MH will have SF's cell phone number.

How did MH knows that SF is working that very early Sunday Morning?

How close is MH and SF for MH to go visit him at work that time?

If I needed an alibi I would try to get a time established by a dispatcher. Makes for a good one.
If it was routine for him to ride with F, IMO he would know the cell number. How did F call him back, did he have MH's number?

NancynNC

05-26-2006, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Scooby - what do you mean the coincidental publishing of the article today?

Yes, Scoob, is there something going on behind the scenes?

Babes

05-26-2006, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by NancynNC

If I needed an alibi I would try to get a time established by a dispatcher. Makes for a good one.
If it was routine for him to ride with F, IMO he would know the cell number. How did F call him back, did he have MH's number?

Good Point Nancy.

:seeya:

Babes

05-26-2006, 01:48 AM

Babes

05-26-2006, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by concernedperson
I am not turning into a Marcus Harper fan club member. But certain things have raised my hinkey meter and those things are pretty bad. So bad, that I have contacted LE and my ISP.

So, hackers watch your back because any loyalty I had before is now gone. They are tracking and I will prosecute.

Here:

http://www.cybercrime.gov/reporting.htm
http://www.ic3.gov/

Please report your security logs to FBI directly.

:seeya:

Babes

05-26-2006, 02:28 AM

Where is the dispatcher located? At the local Ocilla Police? Isnt that dispatcher is based on a mini call center and they get calls from 911 and they dispatch the calls by police radio?

Babes

05-26-2006, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Hey Babes -

I went back to grab a link from that DNA article and could not find the part where there was a sentence or two about a holdout - some guy who had not yet supplied his DNA and this man was some how linked to LE - I don't recall the exact words.

Did I go looking in the wrong article? Do you recall what that wording was? HAs the article been edited?

Or is it just me. Could be. You Paula and Nancy keep me straight!

V :seeya:

I remember that too but it looks like the article was edited :D

concernedperson

05-26-2006, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Babes
Where is the dispatcher located? At the local Ocilla Police? Isnt that dispatcher is based on a mini call center and they get calls from 911 and they dispatch the calls by police radio?

Don't know where the dispatcher is but in the county I work in the calls are dispatched by radio. I spent a bunch of time with with an officer last week. He had a radio on his shoulder....no cell phone (unless it was in his vehicle). So I can assume a beat cop wouldn't have his cell with him but in his car. Their uniforms and the apparatus on them...radio, gun, cuffs, nightstick thingie etc. seems like a lot to move around it.

The R

05-26-2006, 10:18 AM

Ok so someone please help me out on this one.....

Other than MH's atty. stating that MH was at the bar till 1-1:30 am, is there any other source that corroborates this info? Is he placed there for sure between 11pm and 1:30 am?

R

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by cbcrime
Do you or anyone remember if MH called the dispatcher and then showed up - or if he just showed up? The question also is - did he know SF was working or did he call or show up at dispatch to find that out. Re: paperwork - I cannot image any jurisdiction not having paperwork to sign. LIABILITY Now with that said I also know that if he was ex LE they might not have felt it was necessary for him to do the paperwork.

In this day and age with so many lawsuits the days of letting family and friends just ride along are about done. The city attorney or county attorney would have conniption fits. Now this is just my opinion and some small towns may still be able to do this. I'm sorry - like you it would be nice to know some answers to simple questions like - is there paperwork to fill out and did he fill it out. (Oops also where would he fill it out)

Does Ocilla have their own dispatch - or is there a multi jurisdictional dispatch?

I agree the timeline is not tight. It is driving me crazy because there are so many unknowns. And everyone is correct - sounds like he was in Tara's neighborhood that night.

Though if he is responsible I think he might have just used SF as an alibi. I'm not sure that SF would actually be involved.

I think it's important to remember that some of this information is probably being shared because of the amount of attention spent on focusing on Marcus.

Let's go down the list of known alibis:

Larry Gattis: On call, in a hospital somewhere (If I recall correctly)
Anita Gattis: ????
Mr. Portier: In bed asleep.
Mrs. Portier: In bed asleep.
Anthony Vickers: ????
Rhett "Whatshisname": ????
Heath ****s: ????

So, the point is that less is known regarding other's alibis, but no talk, no speculation, no "nothing" regarding their whereabouts.

I find this mildly amusing. I'm sure the many people that have been insinuated into the crosshairs due to knowing Tara don't find it amusing though.

If people wanted to put the focus elsewhere, they easily could do that. Marcus' alibi is better than anyone else's known alibi; but yet it's "too perfect"? That's such a confounding statement.

It sort of reminds me of Richard Ricci's alibi. His wife swore that he was in bed with her the whole night. People didn't believe her. They called her a liar. They couldn't understand why she would lie for him knowing that her husband murdered a child, blah, blah, blah, etc. Then it changed to wondering what her sleeping habits were. She was sleeping so deeply she didn't realize he had gotten up during the night and left the house. Then there were rumors that she must have been taking drugs and/or alcohol and was passed out; allowing him to leave the house.

Of course we all found out that this was nonsense. It was all designed to keep the focus on who they thought was the most likely suspect, twisting, bending and distorting the whole way through. With no regard for the actual people being harmed.

I see the same thing happening here. There were people actually believing Officer Fletcher assisted Marcus in his alleged crime. The reason being is because most reasonable people recognize that it woud be difficult to do something like that in a short period of time. Now that there is no doubt Sean Fletcher is not involved and was doing his job like any other good officer would; we start to see the twisting, distorting and bending of reality to make Marcus' alleged crime happen in a span of minutes, meet up with Sean as if nothing happened and then live life happily ever after.

It's disturbing in my opinion. I have the utmost faith and confidence in the abilities of the GBI. So much energy is (in my opinion) wasted hashing (and rehashing) Marcus Harper and his insinuated crime.

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

I would be more than happy to start discussing Warner Robins, Chatt. other men/women that crossed paths with Tara if any of it ever hits the light of day.

In the beginning I saw Marcus as PAST TENSE. Old news in Tara's world. After all they broke up in 2004.

THEN he started doing interviews.

And a dribble of facts here and there...

1. Apparently not that PAST TENSE after all -according to MH.
2. He could have gone from Fitzgerald to his mom's house in the county on Saturday and never entered the city limits of Ocilla - BUT he didn't do that and so his movements are interwoven in the time line.
3. His choice of words - and his attorney's just add more to the fire instead of putting the fires out, IMO.
4. The GBI seemed very interested in his vehicle. If his alibi was so clean why did they need to do that test to his truck? Heck they did not even luminol Tara's car .

I'm not on a road with only one lane by far. With what I know, unless something gets the light of day to turn the disappearance in a new direction that leads to Tara's whereabouts, then MH can't be removed from consideration.

Just MOO. Of course.

-

Let's put it this way:

If Marcus Harper chose not to do any interviews, people would be here saying he has something to hide; hence the reason for no interviews.

Honestly speaking, he's in a damned if you do and damned if you don't position.

But look at the overall picture. Marcus Harper has been the primary focus of many people for a long time now. Do you really think he pulled off the perfect crime?

After speaking to more locals today, I believe more than ever that Tara left on her own that weekend. What's happened since that time is up in the air. But it would have to be someone (if she is harmed) with the ability to come and go without drawing suspicion. And since suspicious minds were working overtime in the first week or so; I don't know many people that would fit the bill. Least of all Marcus Harper.

NancynNC

05-26-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Let's put it this way:

If Marcus Harper chose not to do any interviews, people would be here saying he has something to hide; hence the reason for no interviews.

Honestly speaking, he's in a damned if you do and damned if you don't position.

But look at the overall picture. Marcus Harper has been the primary focus of many people for a long time now. Do you really think he pulled off the perfect crime?

After speaking to more locals today, I believe more than ever that Tara left on her own that weekend. What's happened since that time is up in the air. But it would have to be someone (if she is harmed) with the ability to come and go without drawing suspicion. And since suspicious minds were working overtime in the first week or so; I don't know many people that would fit the bill. Least of all Marcus Harper.

Please, tell us why she left on her own? Did Tara tell one of these locals you have talked to?

concernedperson

05-26-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Hypnotized!

At first, I had thought that someone might have been in Tara's house when she arrived home, or that she answered the door to someone.

However, I now think that Tara might have changed clothes, because the weather turned colder than when she had left the house earlier that day, and gone to either meet, or see someone. I'm thinking along these lines because her purse was missing. Was it the call, from Tara's friend at the tavern where MH was, which stirred Tara to leave the house?

Perhaps this meeting/sighting turned confrontational and violent, and in order to gain extra time before Tara was noticed as missing, her car was driven back to the house and parked under the carport. If so, did the person live within walking distance, or did they meet someone nearby who gave them a ride home?

I also wonder if they can tell the height of a person by how far back the car seat is from the steering wheel? Notice had been taken that it was too far back for someone of Tara's height.

There are so many questions, and so few factual/positive answers.

IMO
I think the call put things in motion. The rest is up in the air. Whether she left to take a look at what was going on at Whitehorse or she went in and changed or she never changed. The purse missing is pretty easy. She dropped her keys in the purse...someone had to reach in to get them...voila..evidence.

Today, it was reported that LE found Riley Fox's skull. It has been since 2004 that she was missing.This could be the same scenario with Tara or it could be like so many who are never found.

I truly don't believe that Tara walked away from her life. I don't think she was mysteriously pregnant. I think someone murdered her.

CarolineJ

05-26-2006, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I posted that I wasn't convinced one way or another. But I would be less than honest if I didn't express my curiosity/skepticism about MH accompanying SF at 2AM, until the end of his shift, on the weekend when Tara disappeared. If the GBI isn't ruling anyone out, why should I?

I saw MH on Greta's show, and I was quite surprised that a guy, who had a 5-year romantic relationship with a missing woman, spoke of her as the pursuer, and the one who couldn't let go of the relationship, even stating that Tara was suicidal. The entire interview struck me as self-serving.

I'm not focused on anyone. MH is the only one I ever saw interviewed, and he left me with a bad impression. His alibis all seem to be tied to LE on that crucial weekend. For a guy who wanted his freedom from Tara, I wouldn't expect him to be doing ride-alongs all weekend with LE buddies.

Now, be nice! ;)

HeyPaula, I remember seeing him too on that show and thinking exactly the same thing that you did. He came across in the interview and being so self centered, and wanting the audience to believe that he was the one trying to shake her and she just wouldn't let go. He didn't seem the least bit sad that she was missing.

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by hypnotized
Hey Paula, simply quiet, and concernedperson...

I truly think the phone call was the reason for Tara leaving that night...you all have great intuition....put yourself in her home, Saturday night, after a full day of events. You would have a hard time winding down...then a phone call causes your adreanaline (sp) to start pumping again...you grab your keys & purse, and out the door you go....now what? Take it and run with your plan...what would you do?

This family deserves an answer, and peace...let's keep plugging away!

It's a shame some of this intuition doesn't shed light on Tara's emotional state and erratic behaviors in the days before her disappearance.

Marcus was not the only man wanting to distance himself from Tara. There obviously was a reason why that was happening. It just so happens Marcus was the one she was hung up on and couldn't get out of her system, in my opinion.

Atok

05-26-2006, 09:13 PM

BFD leaves crumbs???

Donut crumbs even. To better help with triangulation.

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

RATS BFD, you left out the MYSTERY MAN - hoped you put a teaser in there! A crumb - come on, a crumb!

:D [/B]

You have a good memory, don't you?

:tongue:

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

DONUTS! YUMMM!

Oh ATOK - you have such a way with words!

:D

You must have missed the Donut Crumb Triangulation Seminar.

gagal

05-26-2006, 09:56 PM

Mat1-7 gotta say you are prob the clearest thinker here! You ask great questions!! Cant wait to see what the answers are!!!!!!!!!

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

That's all I get! RATS! I am so ready to move on to Mystery man! Now what was that town...

My head tells me Marcus would be STUPID to be involved. The shananagins of the IRWIN PD just made whatever happen easier for the one who planned it.

Gee, I wonder where that convenience store was that the IRWIN PD ended up out in the county was? Wonder what roads were just WIDE OPEN?

My heart tells me Tara had moved on BIG TIME and the reason the cryptic interview stuff from Marcus hits me the wrong way is because he might not have known for sure who this other interested party was and/or his ego might have even gotten in the way of hearing what Tara was really trying to tell him! Just my opinion though.

Still think she was snatched from her life though.

Specifically -- Never intended to walk away from her life. Something caused her to leave that house and not return for seven months.

Come on BFD - one crumb... the side of town, like interest that drew them together,where they met, time they have known each other - one crumb. ANYONE. I'm begging ya...

:shrug:

I would have to heartily disagree with your statement regarding Tara "moving on". Not one single person has come forward to say that Tara was "okay" with the status of her and Marcus' relationship. In fact, just about everyone who has spoken on that subject has backed up Marcus' version of events.

Numerous people have described Tara as being distraught because Marcus didn't tell her he was back stateside. A few people have stated that Tara's "breakdown" on the road was due to Marcus turning down an offer from her to come see her.

Too many people not connected to Marcus, but that were connected to Tara, have described her as "taking it hard".

If you want something to sink your teeth into, try figuring out if Heath was indeed the person that went to Tara's school the day she left early. If so, he's given inconsistent statements regarding the last time he saw Tara.

concernedperson

05-26-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I doubt MH would allow himself to be viewed as a POI if he knew Tara was alright, SQ.

IMO
That would be the simple answer. I wonder how many are looking at simple? This pregnancy and 60's concept is amusing.I wouldn't believe that even if it was notarized.

With that being said, I think the family is being manipulated to a degree.I won't go into detail. But this IMO.

I don't think Tara is coming home.I also think at this point that she won't be discovered soon. This is going to be a cold case and long after I am gone there will be a skull discovery or some other forensic evidence.

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Did you see the interview he did with Greta? MH said Tara broke off with him because she was interested in a committed relationship, marriage and children.

Observing Greta's style, in questioning people, I believe the next question was meant to witness the type of reaction it would elicit from MH. Greta said, so Tara jilted you? To which he replied in the affirmative (but I detected an underlying hesitancy due to a bruised ego). To lessen the ego blow, MH added that he was honest with Tara and told her that he wasn't interested in marriage and they should date others.

We don't know why Tara wasn't "okay" with her relationship with MH. Was MH jealous of her relationships with other men, depite the fact that he refused to settle down with her? Was MH making her life miserable when he learned of, or saw her with another guy? Was that why Tara was so upset with SF for telling MH about the events of the night AV allegedly pounded on her door?

All we have is MH's version of Tara pursuing him. Tara isn't here to tell us her version.

IMO

No, but there are MANY witnesses that were Tara's friends that say she was upset regarding it. Read the articles, it's mentioned quite a few times in some of them.

I will not reveal "who" I spoke with. But I have spoke to different people who knew Tara and they have given me a consistent general idea of what was happening in her life around that time.

Because you "choose" not to believe the reports in the news or what I'm saying, doesn't it make it so. (Nor does the fact I post it on a message board make it so) But it is what it is and I'm satisfied because I've done my homework. I've searched people out and I've talked with them.

So far as the incident with Vickers, you keep overlooking the fact that Officer Fletcher has stated he did not tell Marcus that Heath was there. It's a small town and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Just as other rumors spread like wildfire throughout that town, I'm sure that one did as well. Hence the whole reason for having him parking at the Portiers to start with.

If anything, my opinion is Tara was upset because she felt it would further dampen any possibility (in her mind) that she and Marcus could get back together.

Also, it isn't "alleged" any longer. The police report exists. Two officers responded to the incident with Vickers. Interesting that she chose to focus on Officer Fletcher, when he didn't even write the report.

There is much more to everything than has been stated. And in deference to family members and the investigation, I will not go into full detail. It's not my place.

And as always, take my words with a grain of salt. I'm nothing more than a message board poster. But if you truly are interested in finding out what's really happening, start digging, start making phone calls... and I'm sure you can find out the same things I have so far. (Maybe more)

BFD - v2.0

05-26-2006, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by cbcrime
Hey Paula

I agree and have been saying that - we only have MH version of how Tara was reacting to his retrun. There were some posts that indicated it was MH that was not okay with Tara moving on.

I have to admit I did not like the way he was making it all Tara's "fault".

I'm sorry but BFD - who is everyone that is backing up the Marcus version?

Also I thought that it was determined that the visitor was someone that worked for a compay (software or something) that used to work at the school. But I don't know there have been so many versions of everything.

No need to be sorry. Many people are not willing to speak out publicly or allow their names to be used when saying anything that could be considered "derogatory" (ie., doesn't mesh with the favorite POI).

Take my information for what it's worth: Mere words from an unknown poster on a message board rife with rumors. In other words, I suggest that anyone with questions start going to the sources, connect the dots. Getting information about this case really isn't that difficult. Approach people in the right manner, indicate you're open-minded and most of the people will talk your ear off about this case.

BFD - v2.0

05-27-2006, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

But are the ones who are willing to talk your ear off informed, or are they merely presenting themselves as being "in the know" or in Tara's loop? Every town has its share of gossipers and those who claim to know more than their neighbor about the facts.

I wonder if anyone truly knows the real relationship between MH and Tara? Some guys don't want to settle down, but they don't want "their girl" seeing someone else. I can't recall where I read that MH called Tara the "w" word, after either learning about, or having seen her with another guy. Guys like that can make a woman miserable.

There is an inconsistency in that if Tara, by MH's admission to Greta, broke off with him, why would she be so upset about their break-up? I believe you worded it correctly in your former post, i.e., Tara was upset with the "status" of their relationship.

IMO

People had more to say than what I've shared. But if I wasn't able to corroborate it in some manner, I'm not going to talk about it on any forums.

I didn't watch Greta's interview with him, but I've read the transcipts. I did watch the Dateline interview via their webcast.

It was my understanding that Tara was basically giving him an ultimatum regarding a commitment he was unwilling to make at the time. Do "X" or "Y" will happen. Since he chose not to do "X", she chose "Y". And that "Y" happened to be ending the relationship. I don't see any inconsistency in that whatsoever. Being a man, I've had those types of ultimatums given to me in the past. No one has told me that is what happened between Tara and Marcus; that's just my take on what Marcus was saying. Made complete sense to me because I've had the same type of experience. Not to sound too catty, but many women I've dated have this ultimatum ploy they try at least once.

I agree that people will most likely not know their relationship. In fact, I would say no one knew their relationship but them. But I do believe people know what's been shared with them from either Marcus or Tara and that helped shape their perception of the relationship.

IMO

concernedperson

05-27-2006, 10:44 PM

Everything about Tara is an enigma. But she was loved.That makes it harder. Many of us tread and don't ever touch. She had a following..the most importent people the kids.I know a lot is being described as an alternate lifestyle but I believe her true lifestyle would be to have kids and continue on her path that was set.I could be altruistic but that is my read.

I absolutely believe she was caught up in something that was not her desire.

IBC

05-29-2006, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by MoochDog This is still my best guess on any so called relationship he might have imagined they had. I've read a lot of this board and don't see anywhere that someone has posted that they actually saw them together, ever, out "socially". He probably just had a crush on Tara.

I would guess that they wouldn't be together socially. A former student who is at least 10 years her junior? That's fodder for real gossip.

If they did have some sort of relationship, I'm guessing it was secret, as AV described: only a few people knew. The question is what did they know? Who are the few people who knew?

I really doubt AV had anything to do with T's disappearance, but a closer look into her relationship with AV could help to understand her mental state.

TN_Profiler

05-30-2006, 01:53 PM

One circumstance that keeps going around in my mind is the "perfect alibi".

I'm not sure but there is something about it that doesn't sit well with me. My gut is telling me that it "appears" to be deliberate.

It just seems strange to me that a person seemingly goes out of his way to spend the night riding around with LE. Who calls dispatch in the early hours of the night in order to locate a PO (friend or not) in order to "ride" out the shift????

Is it me or does anyone else seem this is strange?

BFD - v2.0

05-30-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
One circumstance that keeps going around in my mind is the "perfect alibi".

I'm not sure but there is something about it that doesn't sit well with me. My gut is telling me that it "appears" to be deliberate.

It just seems strange to me that a person seemingly goes out of his way to spend the night riding around with LE. Who calls dispatch in the early hours of the night in order to locate a PO (friend or not) in order to "ride" out the shift????

Is it me or does anyone else seem this is strange?

Go out of his way? How does it seem he went "out of his way" to ride with Fletcher that evening? I mean, he didn't have to catch a flight to get there or something did he?

What would be "unusual" is if he's never done this before. So far no one has been able to supply the answer to question.

If this is the first time he's ever done this; then yes, I would find it unusual and question why that weekend. Strange coincidence, right? BUT, if he's done this many other times... then it's not unusual in the slightest bit (for him).

Once we have the answer to how often he's done this, then we'll have more information to determine whether it's the "perfect alibi" or not.

The R

05-30-2006, 03:26 PM

I realize I may be sounding redundant but......

Does anyone know if there is corroboration that MH stayed at the WH bar till 1-1:30am????

BFD - v2.0

05-30-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

*snipped*

BUT BOY OH BOY IS THERE AN EFFORT TO GET IT OUT THAT THE GUY HAS ONE!

Just moo.

:seeya:

And the very reason there is an effort is because of the many accusations and insinuations against him and Sean Fletcher.

You've read these boards. You know as well as I do that Sean Fletcher has been accused of helping Marcus kill and/or get rid of Tara's body.

Who else has made such an effort to make their alibi known? No one. And you know why? Because people haven't gone on national television and come a gnat's ass away from outright accusing them of murdering Tara. That's why.

The man can't win for losing. If he doesn't give information; he's "hiding something". If he does give information; it's to "make sure it's known".

I'm sure the guy is wanting it known and he has every right to put out self-serving statements when baseless allegations are thrown his way every single day.

9 separate witnesses can account for Marcus' whereabouts.

But what a lot of people seem to be overlooking is that Marcus was asked about that night. He gave them information. The information was corroborated. In other words, he was truthful. Now, when someone finds an inconsistency and/or lie, then they need to let him have it.

To be quite honest, I'm a little sick of this board because of the non-stop attacks on Marcus Harper. No one has diddly to point in his direction other than their "gut feeling" or "hinky feeling" or some other emotionally charged tripe based on no facts, but just "feelings".

When you folks figure it all out; let me know.

BFD - v2.0

05-30-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

I think it is more than even if he had done something like this in the past... I don't care if twice or more.

Do agree that the TIME he chose to do it that night very critical and I would like to know if he got up really late on Saturday morning and was just not tired etc.

BUT even if he did do it - I need to know he was REALLY THERE for it. That will take Sean Fletcher corroborating MH's movements, not just his own for that night, imo.

Did you even read the article? That was the whole point behind it. Sean Fletcher and NINE other people have corroborated Marcus' alibi.

TN_Profiler

05-30-2006, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Go out of his way? How does it seem he went "out of his way" to ride with Fletcher that evening? I mean, he didn't have to catch a flight to get there or something did he?

Once we have the answer to how often he's done this, then we'll have more information to determine whether it's the "perfect alibi" or not.

Good points but let me clarify what I meant. "going out of his way" meant he did not arrange to ride along with his friend but rather had to have a dispatcher locate this person. Maybe it is trivial but I just find that to be odd ..... go to a bar until midnight "ish" then track your friend down via dispatcher to ride out the remainder of the night? OK, maybe that is just me but this seems weird. Actually, in many areas .... police do not allow John Q. Public to cruise around with them. I agree with you, maybe this was a normal occurrance for him and therefore a meaningless observation. ??

Perfect alibi is not what I should have wrote. I think the better phrasing would be "air tight". Accounting for every single minute and having many/most of those minutes in the company of officials is just odd in my mind. Does this point to guilt? No. It just seems peculiar to me that his alibi is filled with so much "LE face time". On the other hand, that may be completely normal for him. ??

General question - what is the shortest amount of time it would take to kill Tara in her bedroom, then dispose of her body? Could someone do this in less than 1 hour if time was important to them?

How far from her house would it take to find a place to hide her body? (i.e. wells, water, woods, vacant land) 1 mile? 5 miles? 15 miles?

NancynNC

05-30-2006, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
One circumstance that keeps going around in my mind is the "perfect alibi".

I'm not sure but there is something about it that doesn't sit well with me. My gut is telling me that it "appears" to be deliberate.

It just seems strange to me that a person seemingly goes out of his way to spend the night riding around with LE. Who calls dispatch in the early hours of the night in order to locate a PO (friend or not) in order to "ride" out the shift????

Is it me or does anyone else seem this is strange?

It is not just you, TN. Very strange that he was out riding around all night the night that his ex gf of six years goes missing.
I do not believe in coincidences like this one. IMO he went looking for an alibi. Had to have one. If he is the guilty one he may have hid Tara later. He did not have to do it all at the same time. This is a very small town, Fletcher is out walking to check stores, MH could have driven down main street or whatever and seen his patrol car. Was he in a big hurry that night to find his friend?
He chose to call the dispatcher, wonder why?

NancynNC

05-30-2006, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Aussie
Interesting Matthew 7:1 in the New International Version of the bible says, "Do Not Judge or you too will be judged".

I think it also says somewhere in the bible that a gentle answer turns away wrath.

It is easy to see why not so many posters are at CTV anymore.

Why do you think that is??:confused:

Elle_Woods

05-31-2006, 05:19 AM

There are some great questions and speculations on the RR topic that I've personally been dying to mention ever since hearing about RR. I'm not saying that he did something, but I never understood why it seemed like he was being completely overlooked while all the exes and long-time friends were examined so many times. Well, I understand from a discussion board point of view...since essentially there wasn't much to go on re: RR. But, on a local investigation level, it just seemed (still seems) like he's below the radar.

The R

05-31-2006, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

And the very reason there is an effort is because of the many accusations and insinuations against him and Sean Fletcher.

You've read these boards. You know as well as I do that Sean Fletcher has been accused of helping Marcus kill and/or get rid of Tara's body.

Who else has made such an effort to make their alibi known? No one. And you know why? Because people haven't gone on national television and come a gnat's ass away from outright accusing them of murdering Tara. That's why.

The man can't win for losing. If he doesn't give information; he's "hiding something". If he does give information; it's to "make sure it's known".

I'm sure the guy is wanting it known and he has every right to put out self-serving statements when baseless allegations are thrown his way every single day.

9 separate witnesses can account for Marcus' whereabouts.

But what a lot of people seem to be overlooking is that Marcus was asked about that night. He gave them information. The information was corroborated. In other words, he was truthful. Now, when someone finds an inconsistency and/or lie, then they need to let him have it.

To be quite honest, I'm a little sick of this board because of the non-stop attacks on Marcus Harper. No one has diddly to point in his direction other than their "gut feeling" or "hinky feeling" or some other emotionally charged tripe based on no facts, but just "feelings".

When you folks figure it all out; let me know.

LOL....sounds like you all ready got it 'figured out'

I'd just like to hear if the guy was at the WH saloon - like his atty. said - between 11pm and 1am..........I haven't seen any support from anywhere other than his atty and that ain't corroboration my friend.

R

singlesix

05-31-2006, 09:23 AM

Google => 20,300,000 for "police ride along"

What's so unusual about doing a ride along? They're offered almost everywhere. Type the above phrase into Google and you'll see how many departments offer ride alongs. Many of the police department sites I browsed even suggest doing it at night.

Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean many others aren't interested, either because they're thinking about a law enforcement career or just can't sleep.

"It is easy to see why not so many posters are at CTV anymore."

Very low signal to noise ratio IMO.

singlesix

BFD - v2.0

05-31-2006, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by MoochDog

IMO, you are right on the money. Not only that, WHERE are these "citizens" that are so-called witnesses of all of this middle of the night movement of MH? This is not the first time the media has had an inconsistent article and I'm sure it won't be the last. When it's all on the table, there simply ISN'T any corroboration.

You feel the article is "inconsistent" because they didn't publish the names, addresses and phone number of witnesses for you to be able to get in touch with them?

Bottom line is that police reports exist for much of Fletcher's movements that night. Those police reports contain the names of the "witnesses" who would be able to corroborate Fletcher's movements and whether Marcus Harper was with him or not.

I feel very confident in the GBI's ability to get those police reports and contact the individuals to check out the story. They obviously did not find anything out of whack.

Unless of course the conspiracy ring enlarges once again and we start to add in other people that would help Marcus in his dastardly deed. LMAO

BFD - v2.0

05-31-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by MoochDog

You have your opinion, I have mine. GBI wasn't interviewed for that article. And even if they WERE interviewed, they certainly wouldn't verify that information. And if the only "ride along" witnesses are people who were arrested that night, I'd certainly be interested to know how their cases came out based on whether they "remembered" seeing MH or not. Especially the drug cases, IMO.

We're back now to the original question. Where was MH between the hours of 11PM and 1AM? And yes, I absolutely believe he had help. JMHO.

You are correct, you are allowed whatever opinion you'd like. Obviously you didn't read the article. Two of the witnesses were the couple that called the police because of that Bennie guy being in their house and not leaving.

So, I guess part of the dastardly (and genius) plan behind all of this is that Marcus recruited Bennie to go into these folks home, cause a disruption and then wait for the couple to call the police (and hope Sean gets the call) and then speak to them while there. All for the sake of having an "airtight" alibi.

The article discusses the timeframe Marcus was with Sean Fletcher. For further information regarding where he was prior to that, go find the people who were at the bar that evening and see what they have to say. (Oh wait, that's right... those folks were "in on it too". LMAO)

Maybe Popcorn can break out those cell phone records? I'm sure he's got it all triangularized (sic) by now.

This thing gets more and more laughable as time goes by. So far to make Marcus guilty these are the folks who have to be in on the "conspiracy":

Marcus Harper
His mother
His father
His stepmother
Sean Fletcher
1st Unknown Ocilla Police Officer
2nd Unknown Ocilla Police Officer
Bennie Merritt
(2) Couple who called the Ocilla PD to report Bennie
Convenience Store Clerk who called PD
Michael Lankford
Meagan WhatsHerName

Am I missing anyone? So far we're up to 13 people involved in this plan to murder Tara or to coverup Tara's murder. (And we're not even touching upon the dozens of people who saw him at the bar)

It's absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

You'd be better off scrutinizing the victim to get answers to this case. Not some phantom killer. In my opinion, if people start digging through her emotional closet, they'll find plenty of evidence. And none of it points to Marcus Harper (or any of the other 13 people listed above) as being involved in her disappearance.

lighthousedazy

05-31-2006, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone

Kitty Mom-

Can you help me understand that salary structure report?

Did I read correctly -Tara would have been at STEP 4 or STEP 6 in her salary structure last October, right? We have heard interviews which say she had been teaching anywhere from 6 to 8 years.

At the top of the page there are Levels of Certification -
what exactly are those levels?

Thanks.

V
:seeya: I'm just guessing here. My husband was a teacher in the 70's and early 80's, but I believe the T-4 is for a batchelors degree and T-6 is for a masters. jmo

The R

05-31-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

You are correct, you are allowed whatever opinion you'd like. Obviously you didn't read the article. Two of the witnesses were the couple that called the police because of that Bennie guy being in their house and not leaving.

So, I guess part of the dastardly (and genius) plan behind all of this is that Marcus recruited Bennie to go into these folks home, cause a disruption and then wait for the couple to call the police (and hope Sean gets the call) and then speak to them while there. All for the sake of having an "airtight" alibi.

The article discusses the timeframe Marcus was with Sean Fletcher. For further information regarding where he was prior to that, go find the people who were at the bar that evening and see what they have to say. (Oh wait, that's right... those folks were "in on it too". LMAO)

Maybe Popcorn can break out those cell phone records? I'm sure he's got it all triangularized (sic) by now.

This thing gets more and more laughable as time goes by. So far to make Marcus guilty these are the folks who have to be in on the "conspiracy":

Marcus Harper
His mother
His father
His stepmother
Sean Fletcher
1st Unknown Ocilla Police Officer
2nd Unknown Ocilla Police Officer
Bennie Merritt
(2) Couple who called the Ocilla PD to report Bennie
Convenience Store Clerk who called PD
Michael Lankford
Meagan WhatsHerName

Am I missing anyone? So far we're up to 13 people involved in this plan to murder Tara or to coverup Tara's murder. (And we're not even touching upon the dozens of people who saw him at the bar)

It's absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.

You'd be better off scrutinizing the victim to get answers to this case. Not some phantom killer. In my opinion, if people start digging through her emotional closet, they'll find plenty of evidence. And none of it points to Marcus Harper (or any of the other 13 people listed above) as being involved in her disappearance.

That IS news to me....I had no idea these 13 folks were all with Marcus between 11pm and 1am on the date in question.......

BFD - v2.0

05-31-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by The R

That IS news to me....I had no idea these 13 folks were all with Marcus between 11pm and 1am on the date in question.......

Read the post I was responding to and it might make more sense. No one has said he was with these people between 11pm and 1am.

In fact, read my post a little more carefully and you'll know that.

The article discusses the timeframe Marcus was with Sean Fletcher. For further information regarding where he was prior to that, go find the people who were at the bar that evening and see what they have to say.

I hope you understand my snippity reply. I have little patience for inanity or for those who don't actually read what they're responding to.

TN_Profiler

05-31-2006, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by singlesix
Google => 20,300,000 for "police ride along"

What's so unusual about doing a ride along? They're offered almost everywhere. Type the above phrase into Google and you'll see how many departments offer ride alongs. Many of the police department sites I browsed even suggest doing it at night.

Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean many others aren't interested, either because they're thinking about a law enforcement career or just can't sleep.

singlesix

What percentage of patrons in a bar, on a Friday night are going on a ride along? GMAB.

Oh yeah ... I noticed how many of my friends have had to cut their evenings short because they wanted to ride along with the cops and/or couldn't sleep and thought a ride along would be a great diversion.

I'm familiar with the ride along programs and in my jurisdiction they require advance notice and/or enrollment in a 6 week course on community policing.

I stand by my observation ... it is not normal. Does it mean anything other than that? Probably not.

The R

05-31-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Read the post I was responding to and it might make more sense. No one has said he was with these people between 11pm and 1am.

In fact, read my post a little more carefully and you'll know that.

The article discusses the timeframe Marcus was with Sean Fletcher. For further information regarding where he was prior to that, go find the people who were at the bar that evening and see what they have to say.

I hope you understand my snippity reply. I have little patience for inanity or for those who don't actually read what they're responding to.

Hey no prob with me...snip all you want. You are correct about the Fletcher part, I am not interested in that part of the alibi at all. I have only asked if there was any corroboration of whereabouts before the time spent with Fletch. Obviously they rode together that night and answered calls. I think what I was responding to more than anything else in your posts was the fact that you were snippity in saying that folks should let you know when they figure it all out. I had posted not too long before that. I see that you have done work on the alibi..good for you; so in your mind MH had nothing to do with the disappearance? Glad you can come to that conclusion on your own if that is the case. I think for obvious reasons there are others who would still suspect him of being involved. I certainly have no idea whether or not there was involvement but, do agree that the GBI would be in the best position at this time to know....hopefully time will tell.

BFD - v2.0

05-31-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by The R

Hey no prob with me...snip all you want. You are correct about the Fletcher part, I am not interested in that part of the alibi at all. I have only asked if there was any corroboration of whereabouts before the time spent with Fletch. Obviously they rode together that night and answered calls. I think what I was responding to more than anything else in your posts was the fact that you were snippity in saying that folks should let you know when they figure it all out. I had posted not too long before that. I see that you have done work on the alibi..good for you; so in your mind MH had nothing to do with the disappearance? Glad you can come to that conclusion on your own if that is the case. I think for obvious reasons there are others who would still suspect him of being involved. I certainly have no idea whether or not there was involvement but, do agree that the GBI would be in the best position at this time to know....hopefully time will tell.

And this is what keeps being so elusive to me (from your post):

I think for obvious reasons there are others who would still suspect him of being involved.

What is the "obvious" reason? Because they dated in the past? Is there any factual evidence whatsoever to even remotely suggest he was involved?

I'm dying to find out what is so damn inculpatory in regards to Marcus' alleged involvement with Tara's disappearance. (Other than gut feelings, of course)

TN_Profiler

05-31-2006, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by simply quiet

:shrug: I know someone who used to jump for the opportunity to do a ride along on certain weekends, she works for one of the big Universities here and they would patrol the dorm areas and make sure the little darlings were behaving.

There was no six week training period.

I just don't see it as odd that MH (a former LE officer) would be doing a ride along.

JMO

I don't find MH doing a ride along to be odd since he was a former LE. I do find the sequence of his alibi to be unusual. It just doesn't come across as a random sequence of events, but that is just my opinion.

A 6 week course is not required but an application and background check are. Your friend is an employee of the very jurisdiction she went on a ride along. If she (or anyone else)wanted to do the same with a police agency she would need to fill out an application and most likely have advance notice.

http://www.cityofreno.com/res/police/ride%20along%20program/

NancynNC

05-31-2006, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by The R

Hey no prob with me...snip all you want. You are correct about the Fletcher part, I am not interested in that part of the alibi at all. I have only asked if there was any corroboration of whereabouts before the time spent with Fletch.

I agree, I am not interested in all the witnesses either. MH got him a good alibi for the time he was with Fletcher. IMO Fletcher had nothing to do with Tara missing. But what about before and after the ride? The article was not written by LE, GBI, etc. so it does not answer any questions. Only places MH in the neighborhood that Sat. night or Sunday morning. I would like to know if any pressure was put on S.McG. to write the article??

BFD - v2.0

05-31-2006, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by NancynNC

I agree, I am not interested in all the witnesses either. MH got him a good alibi for the time he was with Fletcher. IMO Fletcher had nothing to do with Tara missing. But what about before and after the ride? The article was not written by LE, GBI, etc. so it does not answer any questions. Only places MH in the neighborhood that Sat. night or Sunday morning. I would like to know if any pressure was put on S.McG. to write the article??

Well thank goodness at least one person isn't still thinking Sean Fletcher is involved.

As small as Ocilla is, anyone who lives there was "in the neighborhood" that evening. (It's not like someone would have to deal with traffic or have to take the El to get to the other side of town)

Email McGraw and ask him if he was "pressured". I'd bet dollars to donuts that there was no "pressure". (Not everything in this world is a great big conspiracy with someone pulling strings from a dark corner)

BFD - v2.0

05-31-2006, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
How does this set with you BFD - is it viable?

MH heads to Ocilla from Fitzgerald around 12:30 AM. He stops at Taras. Asks her to go for a ride. Oops low on gas, tells her lets take her car! Or maybe she prefers to drive. Off they go.

Car comes back. NO TARA.

Needs alibi. KNOWS Bar closes at 1:30. Around same time he is pulling in at Taras.

He is three minutes from Station. Off he goes.

Is it possible? That is all I want to know.

We do not have a time for when he left the bar.

SO far the most we have is from his attorney who said and I quote

"I think about 1:30 1 to 1:30"
To which Greta asked" Where did your client go at 1:30"
and Padajas replied "1:30, came to IRWIN COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER to find friend on duty at the time"

Is it a VIABLE theory?
:shrug:

It's just as viable to say "insert name" did the same thing.

In other words, there is the same amount of information known to support either theory.

When working in a vacuum, you can make anything "viable".

The issue I have is that Marcus (due to the fact he's a man and he was at one time dating this woman) has become the prime focus when there is just as much "evidence" or facts to support anyone else doing something to Tara.

Let's say you don't know Marcus' alibi at all. Nothing. Well, how does he differ from Rhett Roberts or Heath ****s? We would have the same information, right? Nothing.

Anita popped off and targeted Marcus. She has "NEVER" said why she focused on him. She's given plenty of reasons "after the fact", but she never has said why her initial suspicions kicked in. I'm assuming it was her "gut feelings".

I firmly believe the answer to this case lies in examining Tara and her life. No one (publicly) has made an effort to do that whatsoever. I think a lot of people are afraid of speaking out because it will "taint" the victim.

Heck, I'm tempted to make some outlandish lie up just to see if Tara will show up to sue me for libel.

cougermom

05-31-2006, 06:01 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TN_Profiler

What percentage of patrons in a bar, on a Friday night are going on a ride along? GMAB.

Oh yeah ... I noticed how many of my friends have had to cut their evenings short because they wanted to ride along with the cops and/or couldn't sleep and thought a ride along would be a great diversion.

I'm familiar with the ride along programs and in my jurisdiction they require advance notice and/or enrollment in a 6 week course on community policing.

I stand by my observation ... it is not normal. Does it mean anything other than that? Probably not. [/QUOTE I know I am coming in this argument in the middle,buttttt.In every county and city I know in Florida,if the officer knows the person who wants to ride along,he only has to call his supervisor and get permission. I would say it is granted 99.9% of the time.Having friends and family in LE I have been on many at the last minute. This man knew all the officers and was friends with most all of them. In a small town where everyone knows everyone,it would not be unusual for last minute ride along. cm:patriot:

TN_Profiler

05-31-2006, 08:11 PM

[ I would say it is granted 99.9% of the time.Having friends and family in LE I have been on many at the last minute. This man knew all the officers and was friends with most all of them. In a small town where everyone knows everyone,it would not be unusual for last minute ride along. cm:patriot: [/B][/QUOTE]

And I thought the 'friends and family' program was something related to telephones. Silly me.

Now that you have given us data, I'll give you mine. (albeit big town data)

99.9% of people in a bar on Friday nights are not participating in ride alongs when they leave. Unless, of course, it is because they have broken a law.

99.9% of police patrols do not contain a ride along.

My point all along was the related to the frequency of such activity. For the most part, we should be able to agree that ride alongs do not have the same demand as going to the movies, or going to a bar, or whatever the social aspect of your area is.

I know more people who have been bitten by a shark (2) than participated in ride alongs (1). In that respect, my view of this has merit.

By the way, I also lived in Fla for 7 years and would not be able to participate in a ride along unless I had a short background check performed. Police do not allow ride alongs without this process for safety reasons as well as liability reasons.

MH, known by his LE friend probably did not need the background check for the reasons you point out. (small town - close friend - former LE)

The R

05-31-2006, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0

Well thank goodness at least one person isn't still thinking Sean Fletcher is involved.

As small as Ocilla is, anyone who lives there was "in the neighborhood" that evening. (It's not like someone would have to deal with traffic or have to take the El to get to the other side of town)

Email McGraw and ask him if he was "pressured". I'd bet dollars to donuts that there was no "pressure". (Not everything in this world is a great big conspiracy with someone pulling strings from a dark corner)

Well BFD,

I have emailed McGraw before on his story that HD and Tara had been dating. McGraw said the source was wrong and the story changed. I guess that MAY address your point. Obviously if you place all your eggs in a media report basket, you might be disappointed in the outcome. I never thought that Fletcher could be involved, nor do I think it would be in any kind of way unusual for MH to go and ride with him in the middle of the night, esp in a small town. MH says he doesn't drink; I buy that and have no quarrel with the confirmed parts of his alibi.....the rest of it however I'm not so sure about.

You stated what bothers you about the case is that folks are using 'gut' feelings to try and implicate MH. That is not the case IMO. If you really have done criminal investigations in the past then you know that MH is one of the first people that should be suspected. It's hard for me to believe that you've totally discounted him as a suspect. All MOO.........

BFD - v2.0

05-31-2006, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by The R

Well BFD,

I have emailed McGraw before on his story that HD and Tara had been dating. McGraw said the source was wrong and the story changed. I guess that MAY address your point. Obviously if you place all your eggs in a media report basket, you might be disappointed in the outcome. I never thought that Fletcher could be involved, nor do I think it would be in any kind of way unusual for MH to go and ride with him in the middle of the night, esp in a small town. MH says he doesn't drink; I buy that and have no quarrel with the confirmed parts of his alibi.....the rest of it however I'm not so sure about.

You stated what bothers you about the case is that folks are using 'gut' feelings to try and implicate MH. That is not the case IMO. If you really have done criminal investigations in the past then you know that MH is one of the first people that should be suspected. It's hard for me to believe that you've totally discounted him as a suspect. All MOO.........

LOL

One of the first people suspected? No. Wrong choice of words.

One of the first people to talk to due to his and Tara's relationship? Yep. Not necessarily "suspected". Especially since there was no sign of foul play.

And therein lies the problem where I believe most people can't get over the hump: After someone has been "checked out", and there is no reason to dig further; then so be it.

Harper's alibi obviously checks out. What I know of it is good enough for me. What the GBI knows of it (a heck of a lot more than you and I) is obviously good enough for them as well.

You have yet to answer my request for the "obvious" reason Marcus should be a "suspect". Especially since Tara had other men in her life since she and Marcus split up. I'm curious as to how he leapfrogs those other men. (Some who were married)