The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[Its just me]

I'm questioning the motive of the person that Results calls "my source".
If someone is standing close enough to hear GBI agents arguing over evidence and stating that a POI is innocent because he is a friend, he could put himself in danger by repeating this information to a member of an online forum. The GBI agents would know who was standing around when these things were said. Why would "my source" put himself in danger? Certainly not in the name of Justice.
Then again, if the information is bogus, he is not in danger. He only puts more suspicion on HD. Maybe thats enough motive.

I believe there are people in this world that will take a stand in the name of justice. There are a few people that are fed up with actions of some GBI agents and you better belive thay may be in danger but who knows the source may be very capable of taking care of their self. If this source told Results I don't doubt it was reported to his command officer. MHOO but a strong one.

[Its just me]

Thank you for your kind post, however in my case, I wasn't afforded the opportunity to post "information" before the onslaught began. I was just 'getting my feet wet' in an attempt to assure regulars here that I was NOT some idiot Troll. Ironically, I assumed that the very person who verbalized the assumption that I was, happened to be the one person I extended the most opportunity to determine I was not. So much for assuming anyone is a good judge of character no matter what their credentials, I guess.

OK poor poor you. Who is stopping you from posting information. We can't seem to stop you from posting the junk you are posting. BTW if you want to post information concerning Tara I will read and consider. I don't care who a poster is and no introduction is necessary. You are an adult (I hope) and if your desire is strong enough h*** or high water will stop you from posting information. Do like the rest of us have many times fight like h*** and stand your ground and post. If a member comes here and posts decent information on any topic there is no problem I don't care how much you belly ache. Either put on you big girl panties and post or move out. Your decision.... the stuff you have been posting is off topic and is about nothing anyone is concerned about. Just trying to get you to see reason and incourage you to post but only about Tara's case. Sometimes tough love is necessary to get people on track. IJM

[groucho]

Didn't Results post that everything she had been told was forwarded to the right person? I seem to remember reading that just yesterday I think. I applaud Results for doing what she is doing and the source for helping as much as they have. THANK YOU RESULTS! :seeya:

[Its just me]

And it is indeed scary. We do not know who harmed Tara, so the very person we are thinking is our source could be the enemy. Thanks Maude, this is something that is best left to LE or GBI. In thinking they are helping they could be endangering their lives. I remember that Results stated that LE read here, so maybe she shoud get in touch with them. And if LE reads here you better bet GBI has this page bookmarked as well.

I think the GBI and local LE reads here. One thing is for sure if something happens to the source LE will know who to go looking for.

[One2Snoop]

Thank you for your kind post, however in my case, I wasn't afforded the opportunity to post "information" before the onslaught began. I was just 'getting my feet wet' in an attempt to assure regulars here that I was NOT some idiot Troll. Ironically, I assumed that the very person who verbalized the assumption that I was, happened to be the one person I extended the most opportunity to determine I was not. So much for assuming anyone is a good judge of character no matter what their credentials, I guess.

Must you continue to carry on like this? :confused: You aren't contributing to the discussion about Tara are you? :shrug: If you have a problem with someone here then I suggest you pm them and work it out. I for one don't want to continue to read about your problems with (a) particular poster(s). Lets move on now, shall we?

[Its just me]

Didn't Results post that everything she had been told was forwarded to the right person? I seem to remember reading that just yesterday I think. I applaud Results for doing what she is doing and the source for helping as much as they have. THANK YOU RESULTS! :seeya:

groucho, I think we can go to bed tonight and sleep well knowing that Results information has gone beyond a message board. Keep going Results.

[One2Snoop]

groucho, I think we can go to bed tonight and sleep well knowing that Results information has gone beyond a message board. Keep going Results.


ITA Its Just Me - :beer:

[dixinites]

Regarding the color of HD's grey F150: The official exterior color of a 2005 model was called Dark Shadow Gray, (Charcoal was an available interior color.) My bad.

You can pull it up on the Ford site, I believe that color is still available. For the record, the color is much darker than it appears in the pictures. Sorry for the confusion.

[groucho]

Rather than tell Results, why not tell a state Senator or Congressman or National Enquirer? How do we know they haven't already told these people but still want to get the word out in every possible way.

[One2Snoop]

Regarding the color of HD's grey F150: The official exterior color of a 1995 model was called Dark Shadow Grey, (Charcoal was an available interior color.) My bad.

You can pull it up on the Ford site, I believe that color is still available. For the record, the color is much darker than it appears in the pictures. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for the info - no confusion. The point is the color is a darker grey and not the light shade of grey one would typically associate with that color.

[dixinites]

Thanks for the info - no confusion. The point is the color is a darker grey and not the light shade of grey one would typically associate with that color.

Lol, and I corrected the post to read 2005, not 1995...bad day! Yes, there was no light grey, only silver...of this I'm sure.

At any rate, I think we have located our "dark truck" in this case, and its owner, as well...

[Its just me]

Rather than tell Results, why not tell a state Senator or Congressman or National Enquirer?

Like I said in my post there is no doubt in my mind that this has already been reported to the command officer (LE) Senator's and Congressman do not do investigations and who are there for the Senators and Congressmen to go to in Georgia....none other that the GBI. Results made contacts and people have been willing to share. I believe Results and I also believe the local LE has things under control and I also think it is very possible the FBI is also involved but I'm not sure. If the FBI is not involved I think they will be called in.

[Results]

Rather than tell Results, why not tell a state Senator or Congressman or National Enquirer?

I really want to answer your question. NE got to be kidding. LE knows what is going on and what was said to me make no mistake about that. This all came to play because of the AV Incident Report. This report was given to two people and not one of them posted it on the board. I wanted to post it on the board because I wanted the truth to come out. So I did just that I received the report faxed it to fsb and to CL so they could scan the actual document and fsb with his background could put it together so we could be discussing it until CL could view and put the actual document on CL for all to see. This was the chain of events on how I got my source because they knew that I would post to the board and give you all the information that I had. In BS post today when she called the chief he said ALL of you keep digging as if we were on track because we all were talking about digging for the truth. Maybe he didn't mean anything by it or maybe he was giving us a hint. I think people want closure and nothing has seem to be working so far and I agreed to bring this information to the board. I don't regret it and I will post more when I have more. I don't take care if anyone believes me or not. The important thing for me is alot of this information is starting to make sense. Most LE want this solved but there are some that I sure have my doubts about. It is so much easier to believe it is all a lie then to say hey something isn't right here and we might need a call for action because as I said earlier nothing else is working. Tara has not been found and there is nobody that should be protected. It still doesn't bother many people that HD is protected by so many. IF he is innocent of everything then he had no reason to lie. JMHO

[dixinites]

I don't personally know anything else about the photo discussed in the SAR chat (late December 2005) .. only that it was mentioned by someone, that there was a photo of Tara and HD, taken at the GA National Fair in Perry 2005, and it was supposedly on the Internet. It may have been a completely different photo, to the one which was allegedly seen on Tara's digital camera by the GBI Agents during the initial investigation at Tara's house. At the time I went through many "crowd photo's" taken at the fair, looking for the pic but never found one. JMHO

I'm interested in hearing more about the pictures referred to in the Dec '05 SAR chat...If these pictures were supposedly online, then they would have most likely have come from someone's personal camera. Any photos used in advertising the event (Ga National Fair website or brochures for example), would have been photos from the previous year. A local newspaper would have possibly taken photos of the event to do an article on the 2005 fair.

Where were you looking Odette?

[Its just me]

I really want to answer your question. NE got to be kidding. LE knows what is going on and what was said to me make no mistake about that. This all came to play because of the AV Incident Report. This report was given to two people and not one of them posted it on the board. I wanted to post it on the board because I wanted the truth to come out. So I did just that I received the report faxed it to fsb and to CL so they could scan the actual document and fsb with his background could put it together so we could be discussing it until CL could view and put the actual document on CL for all to see. This was the chain of events on how I got my source because they knew that I would post to the board and give you all the information that I had. In BS post today when she called the chief he said ALL of you keep digging as if we were on track because we all were talking about digging for the truth. Maybe he didn't mean anything by it or maybe he was giving us a hint. I think people want closure and nothing has seem to be working so far and I agreed to bring this information to the board. I don't regret it and I will post more when I have more. I don't take care if anyone believes me or not. The important thing for me is alot of this information is starting to make sense. Most LE want this solved but there are some that I sure have my doubts about. It is so much easier to believe it is all a lie then to say hey something isn't right here and we might need a call for action because as I said earlier nothing else is working. Tara has not been found and there is nobody that should be protected. It still doesn't bother many people that HD is protected by so many. IF he is innocent of everything then he had no reason to lie. JMHO

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. As I posted earlier there are people willing to take a stand in the name of Justice and you my dear is one of these people. My hat is off to you. God Bless

[fsbiii]

*NOTE: I didn't find a pic of Tara and/or HD in these, but my eyes aren't perfect!*

http://www.webshots.com/search?query=georgia+national+fair+2005&new=1&source=chromeheader

I don't know if that will work or not, but there are lots of candids in different albums on that photo hosting site. I'm sure there are others, too. Odette is good with links and pics, too. I stumbled on that site (webshots) today, myself.

I'm interested in hearing more about the pictures referred to in the Dec '05 SAR chat...If these pictures were supposedly online, then they would have most likely have come from someone's personal camera. Any photos used in advertising the event (Ga National Fair website or brochures for example), would have been photos from the previous year. A local newspaper would have possibly taken photos of the event to do an article on the 2005 fair.

Where were you looking Odette?

[Its just me]

Groucho, I don't know if they did or not. I sure haven't heard anything about it. Also, in personal appearance you and I look much alike, but in a fight I think I could whip your hiney. imo LOL

I have to ask is this a threat to Groucho....Interesting I got a similiar threat in a pm way back. BTW Adults DON'T FIGHT.

[hypnotized]

Rather than tell Results, why not tell a state Senator or Congressman or National Enquirer?


lol and no offense intended...but IMO we do have LE reading here and I am sure IF they have taken sides, both sides are viewing. I worked in DoD govt for awhile and one of my tasks was to "compose" congressional inquiries. JMO, but I think it was a long time before the actual document was reviewed by any of the legislative persons. Mostly, they had a people who read the document and responded to the inquiry. More or less an exercise in verbal acuity. As to telling the National Enquirer, my local paper has more "real" news than the trash that they print.

We have many GREAT minds working here, work with them!

Now....back to what I do best... :read:

[odette]

I'm interested in hearing more about the pictures referred to in the Dec '05 SAR chat...If these pictures were supposedly online, then they would have most likely have come from someone's personal camera. Any photos used in advertising the event (Ga National Fair website or brochures for example), would have been photos from the previous year. A local newspaper would have possibly taken photos of the event to do an article on the 2005 fair.

Where were you looking Odette?

I can't remember all the sites I checked .. At the time, I came across many photos taken at the 2005 GA National Fair held in Perry. Some I saw on the official site for the Fair, some were in online albums posted by people who attended the Fair .. many were just photos of the crowds of people who were there ..

JMHO

[dixinites]

SNIP>One of my Dear Friends is w/ the FBI. I do wish I had the courage to ask a favor of him... Until not to very long ago, he worked for us at our business and he asked me for a reference for the FBI. Maybe he wouldn't mind too much putting the 'bug' so to speak into someone's ear in order to get the ball moving on Tara again. <SNIP

The information regarding the GBI being a "little too close" to one of the main POIs in this case is nothing new. Some of the info Results has shared with us certainly expounds on some of the previous rumors regarding this connection. If there is a conflict of interest within the investigative authority here, then the FBI should be very interested to hear of it. I think your idea to share the information with your "friend" is a good one.

My question would be, if you are indeed "close" to the case, why have you not already done so? Tara is still missing...I think drawing on all of your courage would be in order. JMO.

[dixinites]

I can't remember all the sites I checked .. At the time, I came across many photos taken at the 2005 GA National Fair held in Perry. Some I saw on the official site for the Fair, some were in online albums posted by people who attended the Fair .. many were just photos of the crowds of people who were there .. JMHO

Thanks, I wouldn't know where to begin to look! Did anyone ever determine whether or not Tara performed at the 2005 Fair?

[Results]

I really haven't doubted your convictions in posting those things. I simply can't see your source exposing himself on a message board if he was as close as he says he was. Your last sentence " IF he is innocent of everything then he had no reason to lie.", is referring to (I suppose), HD's statement that he had not seen Tara in weeks. Telling one lie is not good, but to me, it doesn't seem to be proof of murder.

WOW and I thought that is what convicted SP. Only when it fits. JMHO

[Results]

I really haven't doubted your convictions in posting those things. I simply can't see your source exposing himself on a message board if he was as close as he says he was. Your last sentence " IF he is innocent of everything then he had no reason to lie.", is referring to (I suppose), HD's statement that he had not seen Tara in weeks. Telling one lie is not good, but to me, it doesn't seem to be proof of murder.

One more thing. I don't just have one source you keep saying "my source". I have stated several times by verifying through many sources. I want to make sure you understand I don't have one source I have many. I ask you to please be aware of your error on that subject that you do not continue to give false statements of my sources. TIA JMHO

[groucho]

Groucho, I don't know if they did or not. I sure haven't heard anything about it. Also, in personal appearance you and I look much alike, but in a fight I think I could whip your hiney. imo LOL That was taken on a good day, you should have seen the other feller. IJM, hopefully this was no threat, didn't bother me in the least anyway.

[odette]

YEEHAW ... SP told many many many lies. Do we have proof that HD actually said it?

Said what ??

[Results]

YEEHAW ... SP told many many many lies. Do we have proof that HD actually said it?

I didn't see CL recant his statement. It is a fact that he didn't go to HS with Tara. He cheated on his wife more then one time. He hid in the house when AV had his hands on Tara. He used the taxpayers dollars to buy gas to go back and forth to Ocilla. He is such a "GOLDEN BOY". We should all be so proud of him my goodness what are we all thinking. Hiding vehicles behind lodges and at the neighbors. I mean really he is such a good catch. JMHO

[One2Snoop]

CRIMELIBRARY
In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, D***s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

[TallaTonight]

Well you've almost got me convinced.. Now if we could get some evidence of how, where and when he killed Tara.

OK, I had warm fuzzy feeling toward Chief Hancock, BUT if he is leaving the investigation to this message board, I am worried. Did I see Results say that in response to BS's visit to the OPD chief Hancock said for this board to keep digging? Is this while he sits at his desk and encourages nics that he has no idea who or what they are to dig? Please tell me this is not the way I read it! If so Tara will never be found. IMO OMG what next " Citizens Arrest"?

[TallaTonight]

OK, I had warm fuzzy feeling toward Chief Hancock, BUT if he is leaving the investigation to this message board, I am worried. Did I see Results say that in response to BS's visit to the OPD chief Hancock said for this board to keep digging? Is this while he sits at his desk and encourages nics that he has no idea who or what they are to dig? Please tell me this is not the way I read it! If so Tara will never be found. IMO OMG what next " Citizens Arrest"?

Oh No it would have to be "Nic Arrest", people I just do not believe this. I still admire Results and BS for their effort but if the Chief is this lame we are in Trouble.

[fsbiii]

Wow. Talk about a classy post. I am sure the Chief and his family appreciate jabs like this from people who are clueless about the amount of time he has put into trying to find Tara. You are definitely here for the wrong reasons, IMO.

OK, I had warm fuzzy feeling toward Chief Hancock, BUT if he is leaving the investigation to this message board, I am worried. Did I see Results say that in response to BS's visit to the OPD chief Hancock said for this board to keep digging? Is this while he sits at his desk and encourages nics that he has no idea who or what they are to dig? Please tell me this is not the way I read it! If so Tara will never be found. IMO OMG what next " Citizens Arrest"?

[Results]

Well you've almost got me convinced.. Now if we could get some evidence of how, where and when he killed Tara.

There you go making mistakes again. I am not trying to convince you of anything. At the end of my post I say it is Just My Honest Opinion. It is arrogant of you to think that you are so important that I need to convince you. Hate to break it to you but I don't try to convince anybody of anything. I put the information out there so that I can be a team player and give information given to me. It is up to anybody on this forum what they decide about my information. Anyone that can say that the GBI did not make a mistake of not taking the linen from the bed or take the last clothes worn by her and and not take the car into evidence and some how miss and found the necklace don't know how many weeks later...if this does not throw up a red flag to you then you refuse to see anything that is presented that are facts of this case. I'm not going to be blind when it comes to anybody. JMHO

[fsbiii]

Who are you to cast such a stone? You are beyond belief! LAME? What is your goal with this new low level of posting, T?

Oh No it would have to be "Nic Arrest", people I just do not believe this. I still admire Results and BS for their effort but if the Chief is this lame we are in Trouble.

[TallaTonight]

Wow. Talk about a classy post. I am sure the Chief and his family appreciate jabs like this from people who are clueless about the amount of time he has put into trying to find Tara. You are definitely here for the wrong reasons, IMO.
I am sure he is a fine man, I have even talked with him, but believe me he did not encourage me to run rampant with post that were heresay. He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, maybe he tells different people different things. I still say anyone that thinks they have a source that has information send them to LE or GBI. They are looking for that piece to the puzzle but I am not silly enough to even think he would send a bunch of nics out to solve his case.

[Its just me]

Lol, and I corrected the post to read 2005, not 1995...bad day! Yes, there was no light grey, only silver...of this I'm sure.

At any rate, I think we have located our "dark truck" in this case, and its owner, as well...

Remember the lady who saw Tara get out of a black truck in Fitz. I know for a fact the GBI's investigation of this was a joke the first go around and later after more posting on the boards another GBI agent contacted the person who could id this lady but the GBI is yet to do a through investigation on this sighting. Things gets clearer every moment.

[The R]

Hd's protection has been remarkable since the disapperance of Tara Grinstead. I figured that I would make contact with several individuals to try to get the real story. After verifying several accounts at 1st hand from my source this is what my sources had to say:

A source was leaked to me about a heated arguement between a GBI agent named Carl and Dominic Turner the night of the processing of Tara's house. The argument was supposedly over Tara's digital camera which contained a picture of Tara and Heath ****s at the Perry fair together. "Carl" wanted it taken into evidence....Dominic didnt. Carl was heard saying something along the lines of: "now that you know what you know you need to take that into evidence". Dominic responded with something like " He's already admitted they were seeing each other" and still refused to take it into evidence. This source that told me this walked out as he said the argument became "heated". The camera must have been taken B/c the recovery agent hired by Billy Grinstead couldnt find it in the house.

Now the question I have is where is the digital camera and the picture of Tara and HD? Was it taken into evidence? How did HD admit having a relationship with Tara to DT unless DT and HD talked before DT got to the house. Something isn't right here because the sheets were not taken and her clothes last worn were not taken. Now if we just knew how bad and what happened after the argument became heated. Still digging and will try to post one at a time of the information that I have received from a very reliable source. As I said before I don't have a link ... believe it or not. I believe the picture starts to get clearer. JMHO and now for #2......



pretty interesting info on the camera argument esp, when you add a statement like this from McGraw's CL report:

'Investigators have also reportedly recovered a necklace Grinstead had been seen wearing the night she disappeared. It was found over the weekend on the floor of her home, and had apparently been overlooked in earlier searches, a source said.'

Doesn't say much for an investigator that had the house searched what?? Three times??

right.........


ALLMO,
R

[readmylips]

OK, I had warm fuzzy feeling toward Chief Hancock, BUT if he is leaving the investigation to this message board, I am worried. Did I see Results say that in response to BS's visit to the OPD chief Hancock said for this board to keep digging? Is this while he sits at his desk and encourages nics that he has no idea who or what they are to dig? Please tell me this is not the way I read it! If so Tara will never be found. IMO OMG what next " Citizens Arrest"?

where did this over the top response come from? aren't you one of the ones who talked about how everyone should be encouraged to participate in the discussion and no ones ideas or thoughts should be discounted? what would you have liked for the chief to say? stop digging? stop talking? go away? think. please think. how could you possibly have found fault in someone, anyone, saying keep digging?

[fsbiii]

Good to know he is "interested in the case," as you summarized here.

He encourages people to keep digging to solve the mystery, and you fault him for that? You thoroughly lose me, quite often. As for "nics," how do you know that the Chief doesn't know who he is talking to and who's behind the nics? I'm sure he knows a few. :)

I am sure he is a fine man, I have even talked with him, but believe me he did not encourage me to run rampant with post that were heresay. He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, maybe he tells different people different things. I still say anyone that thinks they have a source that has information send them to LE or GBI. They are looking for that piece to the puzzle but I am not silly enough to even think he would send a bunch of nics out to solve his case.

[fsbiii]

You know this by experience? Do tell, Maude.

Does anyone know if TG's house is built on a slab? If its not, does anyone know if the space beneath the house was searched real well? I know by experience that if a dead body is placed in a heavy duty black plastic bag and the end is well secured, an odor will not come out of the bag. Not until something breaks the bag open. The bag could have been either hidden behind a brick support or buried.

[The R]

I am sure he is a fine man, I have even talked with him, but believe me he did not encourage me to run rampant with post that were heresay. He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, maybe he tells different people different things. I still say anyone that thinks they have a source that has information send them to LE or GBI. They are looking for that piece to the puzzle but I am not silly enough to even think he would send a bunch of nics out to solve his case.

Did you try to tell him he was incontinent?

ALLMO
R

[readmylips]

I am sure he is a fine man, I have even talked with him, but believe me he did not encourage me to run rampant with post that were heresay. He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, maybe he tells different people different things. I still say anyone that thinks they have a source that has information send them to LE or GBI. They are looking for that piece to the puzzle but I am not silly enough to even think he would send a bunch of nics out to solve his case.

no one ever said he sent anyone out to solve his case. but why would he discourage anyone from digging? you're talking in circles imo.

you owe the man an apology i think.

thank god for le who are willing to be open to all information and are not so territorial that they won't listen to or encourage civilians who care enough to dig. who knows where the piece of the puzzle will come from. good for him for being open to any input. i am thankful for him and i hope he knows that there are level headed people around who recognize the value of his attitude.

[lighthousedazy]

no one ever said he sent anyone out to solve his case. but why would he discourage anyone from digging? you're talking in circles imo.

you owe the man an apology i think.

thank god for le who are willing to be open to all information and are not so territorial that they won't listen to or encourage civilians who care enough to dig. who knows where the piece of the puzzle will come from. good for him for being open to any input. i am thankful for him and i hope he knows that there are level headed people around who recognize the value of his attitude.ditto... imo

[TallaTonight]

where did this over the top response come from? aren't you one of the ones who talked about how everyone should be encouraged to participate in the discussion and no ones ideas or thoughts should be discounted? what would you have liked for the chief to say? stop digging? stop talking? go away? think. please think. how could you possibly have found fault in someone, anyone, saying keep digging?

Read back and you will see I gave kudos to BS and Results, I do have problems with this is the way it is 'heresay'. And I do not believe the OPD wants this board or anyone to post this and use his name as the enforcer of this. I could be wrong, I have been once or twice before but this all out effort to discredit GBI as a unit gets me. Sure they might be a few bad ones in any Law Enforcement dept. but I live in GA. and I have to put my faith in them. I want Tara found but I do not believe this is a GBI coverup or a OPD coverup. One day I read and the family are the biggest culprits in history, the next its GBI, to much to little to late. IMO

[Its just me]

I am sure he is a fine man, I have even talked with him, but believe me he did not encourage me to run rampant with post that were heresay. He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, maybe he tells different people different things. I still say anyone that thinks they have a source that has information send them to LE or GBI. They are looking for that piece to the puzzle but I am not silly enough to even think he would send a bunch of nics out to solve his case.

You are correct that the chief called in the GBI on day one but that does not mean he sees things at the same angle today. He is doing his own investigating as well. I think the Chief is a pretty good judge of character when it comes to who he asks for help. Results has made it plain she is giving her information to LE not GBI. Chief Hancock is no fool and he knows much about this case. I admire Results for bringing things to the board for us to read and not all here are a bunch of nics. MHOO

[readmylips]

Read back and you will see I gave kudos to BS and Results, I do have problems with this is the way it is 'heresay'. And I do not believe the OPD wants this board or anyone to post this and use his name as the enforcer of this. I could be wrong, I have been once or twice before but this all out effort to discredit GBI as a unit gets me. Sure they might be a few bad ones in any Law Enforcement dept. but I live in GA. and I have to put my faith in them. I want Tara found but I do not believe this is a GBI coverup or a OPD coverup. One day I read and the family are the biggest culprits in history, the next its GBI, to much to little to late. IMO


i think you mistook the chiefs words. i believe that he intended to encourage digging. i think that is what she said. he told her to keep digging. not that he said dig on the gbi per se. just keep digging. for truth. and you attacked him for that. because of that you still owe him an apology imo

[odette]

I am sure he is a fine man, I have even talked with him, but believe me he did not encourage me to run rampant with post that were heresay. He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, maybe he tells different people different things. I still say anyone that thinks they have a source that has information send them to LE or GBI. They are looking for that piece to the puzzle but I am not silly enough to even think he would send a bunch of nics out to solve his case.

"He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, .. "

:rolleyes:

CRIMELIBRARY
.... Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock knew that he would have to tread cautiously in the investigation, authorities have told Crime Library.
... Nor was Harper the only cop in Tara's life. Among her closest friends and confidents was Heath ****s, a captain in the Perry police department. Realizing the potential for allegations that the local authorities might have conflicting loyalties, Hancock quickly summoned the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/4.html

JMHO

[The R]

looks like things are about to get rockin in here..time to say good night....

ALLMO,
R

[Results]

I said that you've almost convinced me. I didn't say you were trying to convince me. I was only conceding to points you made in your post. Hate to break it to you, but if this conversation was happening face to face across a table, anyone could see how self serving and stupid your remark is. You converse like a monkey in a china shop. IMO

Your post is really funny to me. Most people that are losing in a debate usually always resort to name calling. It must be a terrible thing to be blind. JMHO

[Results]

"He is interested in the case but he called in the GBI when he saw it was above and beyond what he was equiped for. This is what he told me, .. "

:rolleyes:

CRIMELIBRARY
.... Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock knew that he would have to tread cautiously in the investigation, authorities have told Crime Library.
... Nor was Harper the only cop in Tara's life. Among her closest friends and confidents was Heath ****s, a captain in the Perry police department. Realizing the potential for allegations that the local authorities might have conflicting loyalties, Hancock quickly summoned the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/4.html

JMHO

This shows the REAL reason that CHIEF HANCOCK brought in the GBI .. CONFLICTING LOYALTIES .. It's a great pity that the GBI did not follow suit when they sent HD's buddy to Tara's house to "investigate". JMHO

[lighthousedazy]

looks like things are about to get rockin in here..time to say good night....

ALLMO,
RI'm gonna say good night too., but I would like to say Talla and Maude, please don't pick on our SE Ga LE. Go ahead and google Red Carter, Cary Bittick, Cullen Talton, Butch Reese, et al other Ga Sheriffs and see what gruesome murders these guys have solved. jmo

[fsbiii]

Maude! This borders on a threat, IMO. What in the world happened here?

Tell that to the blind. You should be happy that I brightened your day. You deserve worse. IMO

[odette]

Tell that to the blind. You should be happy that I brightened your day. You deserve worse. IMO

"You deserve worse."

Maude .. I see that you have been a member of CL for about one week ... and you think Results "deserves worse"?. Could you please clarify why on earth you would say such a thing to Results. I don't know about anyone else but from where I'm sitting, that comment of yours sounds like a 'personal" threat to me.

JMHO

[fsbiii]

Musical chairs.

FSB, it's been way more than four hours. You should consult a doctor.

I made a faux threat to groucho, but imo Results called me out. It seems that she gets very defensive if someone questions the motive of her sources.
She is a team player/manager and woe be to anyone not on her team. She would prefer that you reply to any of her posts with yes ma'am, I totally agree. IMO

[fsbiii]

Hasn't someone else with a bitter sword been missing about a week now? *LOL*

"You deserve worse."

Maude .. I see that you have been a member of CL for about one week ... and you think Results "deserves worse"?. Could you please clarify why on earth you would say such a thing to Results. I don't know about anyone else but from where I'm sitting, that comment of yours sounds like a 'personal" threat to me.

JMHO

[concernedperson]

Anyone with a blind eye could see what is going on. Deflection is only a small part.

[odette]

Hasn't someone else with a bitter sword been missing about a week now? *LOL*

Hmmmm .. now, you have really got me thinking fsb.

I just can't figure out why a new poster would have made such a vile comment to Results.

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

FSB, it's been way more than four hours. You should consult a doctor.

I made a faux threat to groucho, but imo Results called me out. It seems that she gets very defensive if someone questions the motive of her sources.
She is a team player/manager and woe be to anyone not on her team. She would prefer that you reply to any of her posts with yes ma'am, I totally agree. IMO

Where's that whoaaaaa horsey when ya need him? Sheeeesh Maude for someone so new here I'm having a hard time believing that you're actually new. "You almost had me convinced -:no: not." Whats your problem? Results has always included in her posts something to the effect of - "I don't have a link and you can believe me if you want to or not". Give it a rest - this is precisely why the :eek: whining, crying and preaching gets a new nic nowhere. :rolleyes: IMO, JMO

[lighthousedazy]

Hmmmm .. now, you have really got me thinking fsb.

I just can't figure out why a new poster would have made such a vile comment to Results.

JMHOMe either Odette. Why??

[Atok]

Results does not expect you to agree with her posts, she said the reason she posts things is so that discussion about them can occur. Discussion that disproves or proves or supports or detracts from the info, that is all.

Laying cards out and asking what do you ALL think of this, how does this work or not work? She also said if you don't want to discuss the information she brings to the table feel free to ignore it. If you don't want to believe it because you can't trust her source, that was fine too... What more are people wanting?

At this stage of things, I want people discussing every scrap we get because something was missed, something was over looked and that piece is missing. On the subject of Chief Hancock telling Results to keep digging... I'm sure that's just him saying to a person of the public, not to give up keeping your eyes and ears open. Anyone from LE can tell you, most breaks come from someone outside of LE reporting they saw or heard something that just didn't get reported until now or was overlooked early on. So for him to say keep digging, is supportive, not him being too lazy to look into stuff. Goodness! Perspective is required.

For awhile there I thought we were all coming to an understanding that this is going to take cooperation from ALL SIDES not division.

And certainly back off on the threatening comments to individuals. How quick some nics deteriorate! We have new stuff to chew on instead of each other, can we use our energies more productively?

How about an image or picture of DT, anyone?

As far as first the family and now the GBI is the main target, let me add that targets are cycled as we hit dead ends, or get derailed, not because they have been cleared. Everyone who has ever been a POI is still a POI in my opinion, their ranking goes up and down based on information we receive, but I haven't crossed one person off the list yet. Unlike the family or DT I haven't dismissed anyone just because I like them personally and I haven't tried to frame anyone because I don't like them personally. I'm sure there is more than enough actual issues at play without injecting my personal relations with anyone into the mix. That includes my personal opinions of posters. There are several who have come and gone and returned who I don't care for in the slightest, but I still read every single one.

I can't afford not to, even when it seems like gibberish... there might be something, just one thing that tips the scales. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't try to hear from more than people who already agree with me. So I have to bite my tongue alot, but that's why we were created with 2 eyes and 2 ears but only one mouth. Again, all my opinion.

[fsbiii]

You left out this one, which preceded the others:

You converse like a monkey in a china shop. IMO

[lighthousedazy]

You left out this one, which preceded the others:monkey in a china shop. Where did that come from? thought it was a bull in a china shop....

[One2Snoop]

monkey in a china shop. Where did that come from? thought it was a bull in a china shop....

You're right, it is bull in a china shop. I believe Monkey's prefer fruitcake. IMO, JMO.

[Results]

That is a load of crap. I corrected you twice so you would not get confused and post false things about my sources. IF you don't like corrections then don't make a mistake about what I post. I can't help it that YOU made a mistake. Now enough of this and back to discussing Tara. JMHO

[bornNbred S.GA]

Spare me the condescending faux sincerity, please. I asked you a question yesterday, as did others, and you failed/refused to answer (still). You turned to the "cloak & dagger" mysterious language game of implied meanings and hidden context. I haven't pm'd one single person about you, nor do I intend to. If you haven't joined online discussions for reasons "close to your heart," why bother now? Nothing about you and your posts has made any sense to me, and it's not worth further debate or time, IMO.

My intent has been the same since Day 1. Nothing you or any other poster types on a message board will change that.


I am Family. Grinstead Family. Tuesday, when I called to wish my closest Grinstead relative a "Happy Birthday", I asked about Tara. I was told that on the local level "nothing was going" on in terms of "measurable activity".

There is reason for not openly joining online discussions when you are family, as you have just proven. I should have listened to my own instincts rather than thinking I could change any unbecoming behavior here or even handle being in the same conversation.

I am sadly disappointed in every poster who yesterday and today proved my need for not openly joining online efforts in searching for Tara.

All my life, I have been so very proud of my S. Ga roots. Family and Friends were true and genuine.

Today, I am very sad to think of Ocilla, Wray, etc. I'll go back, instead to thoughts of people from Hawkinsville where the blood is thicker. I'll go back to people I can trust. To real people with genuine feelings who always respond with compassion and concern for their fellow man.

What on Earth happened to the deep south part of GA that caused people from there to think that they could hide behind an online name and behave in such a manner to other humans? You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

[One2Snoop]

Perhaps you're not talking to the right person - family members don't always know whats going on behind the scenes. Anyhow, thanks for your input. See ya. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

This is the order these two posts came in. I was quite civil until Results insulted me.

I said that you've almost convinced me. I didn't say you were trying to convince me. I was only conceding to points you made in your post. Hate to break it to you, but if this conversation was happening face to face across a table, anyone could see how self serving and stupid your remark is. You converse like a monkey in a china shop. IMO

:punch: Its quite clear to me that you were out of line. :eek:

[One2Snoop]

There you go making mistakes again! You are ignoring Results' post that I was replying to. It is arrogant of you to think that you are so important that I need to convince you.

I haven't ignored a thing - good try (not) :punch: :seeya:

[odette]

Regarding the color of HD's grey F150: The official exterior color of a 2005 model was called Dark Shadow Gray, (Charcoal was an available interior color.) My bad.

You can pull it up on the Ford site, I believe that color is still available. For the record, the color is much darker than it appears in the pictures. Sorry for the confusion.

Thank's dixi for the info about the shade of grey Ford uses for the F-150 .. ie "Dark Shadow Grey". I have seen photo's of the F-150 of different years but the "Dark Shadow Grey" shade is consistant.

I realize that the F-150 is a 2006 model .. exterior "Dark Shadow Grey" .. at below link but I just wanted to show what the color looks like.

Click on the photo to enlarge.
http://lincoln.wheelsforyou.com/details.php?eqvehicleid=12361317&eqdealerid=201498

JMHO

[odette]

Thanks, I wouldn't know where to begin to look! Did anyone ever determine whether or not Tara performed at the 2005 Fair?

*NOTE: I didn't find a pic of Tara and/or HD in these, but my eyes aren't perfect!*

http://www.webshots.com/search?query=georgia+national+fair+2005&new=1&source=chromeheader

I don't know if that will work or not, but there are lots of candids in different albums on that photo hosting site. I'm sure there are others, too. Odette is good with links and pics, too. I stumbled on that site (webshots) today, myself.

dixi, I don't know if you saw this post by fsbiii .. but it is a good example of the photo's posted on the Internet of the GA National Fair 2005.

JMHO

[odette]

Lol, and I corrected the post to read 2005, not 1995...bad day! Yes, there was no light grey, only silver...of this I'm sure.

At any rate, I think we have located our "dark truck" in this case, and its owner, as well...

"Yes, there was no light grey, only silver...of this I'm sure."

Thank's again dixi .. I'm just catching up on the posts from yesterday.

[mooloo]

Hold up. YOU are calling Chief Hancock lame?

You are obviously speaking in reference to something about which you know absolutely nothing. And in that case, you'd do yourself and the rest of the board a favor and just not say anything at all.

But before you work on the witty comeback--

Do you KNOW Chief Hancock personally? Or are you taking his comments completely out of context? Why would you call Chief Hancock lame? Please explain your answer.

I know Results is honest and trustworthy and I do know Chief Hancock personally.

Oh No it would have to be "Nic Arrest", people I just do not believe this. I still admire Results and BS for their effort but if the Chief is this lame we are in Trouble.

[Its just me]

I am Family. Grinstead Family. Tuesday, when I called to wish my closest Grinstead relative a "Happy Birthday", I asked about Tara. I was told that on the local level "nothing was going" on in terms of "measurable activity".

There is reason for not openly joining online discussions when you are family, as you have just proven. I should have listened to my own instincts rather than thinking I could change any unbecoming behavior here or even handle being in the same conversation.

I am sadly disappointed in every poster who yesterday and today proved my need for not openly joining online efforts in searching for Tara.

All my life, I have been so very proud of my S. Ga roots. Family and Friends were true and genuine.

Today, I am very sad to think of Ocilla, Wray, etc. I'll go back, instead to thoughts of people from Hawkinsville where the blood is thicker. I'll go back to people I can trust. To real people with genuine feelings who always respond with compassion and concern for their fellow man.

What on Earth happened to the deep south part of GA that caused people from there to think that they could hide behind an online name and behave in such a manner to other humans? You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

I am truly sorry that Tara is missing and is absent from your family.
I am not hiding behind an online name. I think it has been posted more than one time who I am and I think you are aware of my name.

If you will take every thing you said and sign it by MH's family it could speak for them also. Did you ask your G. family how AG came to Ocilla Monday and pointed her finger at one person? Did you ask how her actions totally divided a town and community?
If all the old post have not been deleted you could read where MH was being discussed the same as HD is discussed today. ML was discussed and the burnt house. Av has been discussed. a JP was discussed but he sent a message confirming he had no part in Tara disappearance. But if I remember correctly not one sole every acted to the extent as some have when HD is discussed. We have been here so long until we can spot people like you a mile away. You came here not to discuss Tara but to criticize members because HD is being discussed and it's as clear as the nose on my face. I have to ask WHY? I can assure you 99% of the posters have not written off anyone or anything but we have been through much trying to discuss HD and that makes it even more interesting.
The G family needs to come forward if they know what has happened to Tara. . Do you or the G family know for certain that HD was not involved with Tara's disappearance if so someone needs to come forward?
You can go back to your roots in Hawkinsville but beware more than one has sent information regarding this case and if the roots in Ocilla and “Wray” (my roots) have been damaged so have some in Hawkinsville.
Tell the G family if HD is innocent he needs to come forward and make a statement and explain a few things. Does he owe us this....No he does not but he might owe it to the defenders who have failed to prove he is not involved. Also it would help if AG made a statement to explain why some things she has stated does not match her other statement on the same subject. Also tell the G family most of us are here for Tara and to search for the truth because her family has failed to do this. Oh there were a few spots on TV but it was not about Tara as much as it was about AG’s hair and outfits. If the outfits were not a concern ask her about filming two news reports close together and why was she worried about wearing the same outfit. Facts are what they are. They may be right and MH harmed Tara I do not rule this out but if they really want the truth they need to have an open mind. We all know that HD was in contact with Tara Sat. night and was in Ocilla the weekend and had conversation with Tara's mom. I also know AG had many conversations with HD the following days. There is a way to explain this with out hurting the case and I suggest they do so if the feel victimized. AG can only blame herself for HD, LG and herself being discussed on the message board. If you really are concerned about getting to the truth try to get the G family to come forward and set things straight concerning HD and other things. Until that happens this message board will continue just like the many others on ctv concerning missing people etc or until the moderators close it. I also will end by saying if you think I am here wasting time on a message board you are very wrong. I don’t know the G family, I don’t know HD, I don’t know MH, ML, AV, SF, JDA nor did I know Tara. But Tara deserves to have every possibility looked into and after yesterday I have no doubts that the GBI has not done this. God Bless you and the G. family. IJM

[Its just me]

The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com
The discussions focus on one person of interest even though there is not one piece of evidence of his guilt. He is accused of murder, adultery, theft, and cowardice, all of this without proof. Many of Tara's family are accused of being party to Tara's murder. This is going on even though there isn't a shred of evidence that a crime was committed.
Other than this one person of interest and Tara's family members, all other theories are dismissed as beyond belief. New members are attacked with accusations and snide remarks. New ideas are quickly dismissed and ignored. Law enforcement, which includes the person of interest, are accused of a coverup and therefore a complicity in murder.
Even with all the faults of this board, people continue to come here in hopes of helping in some way. The most recent was a member of the Grinstead family. She lasted a few days before the constant insults from some of the Long Haul Klan drove her away. She was dismissed by the words "See Ya" and a wave from a stupid little seeya gif.
This board has evolved into a patch of putrid roadkill on the internet highway, being pecked and picked over by possums, buzzards, crows, and a variety of insects. Its pitiful and a disgrace to the memory of Tara Grinstead.

And which catogory to you think you fit. I think I will choose to be a crow.

Maude you just proved why you were attacked if that is what you want to call it. You had no intention of coming here to discuss anything but the conduct of members. I disagree about evidence but I agree there is no proof yet. I think a message board can be looked at as a good thing and a bad thing. There is not doubt "ALL" the p'oi that has been discussed are not quilty. Where were you in the beginning when MH was guilty as sin on here and I was part of it. (continue to be on my list but as of right now he is not being discussed) Did you consider us possums, buzzards back then. If so I am sorry I missed your post. I have had several :seeya: at the end of a reply to my post but I was not dismissed. If anyone is this childish a message board is not for them. What is a pitiful and disgrace to the memory of Tara is there are people who refuse to consider every possiblity and search for the truth. We have been through this mess so many times. People come here and finally get the real reason they are here posted and then they go off with a oh poor me I have been miss treated so poor lil ole me is leaving. We may be buzzards etc in your book but I can assure you we are not STUPID. :rose: FOR EFFORT.

[heartskeep]

You know, I could come on here & post that I was family. Very few who are here know who I am. Those that do know me know that it would be a false statement. But if I WERE family, I would be wonderfully pleased to see that there are those who are still concerned & digging for any shred of evidence which may have been overlooked in the search for Tara! Anyone with intelligence can see by just reading who is working FOR Tara and who is working against. So what if someone posts something you don't agree with? So what if someone posts something that can't be backed up immediately with a link? So what if someone doesn't want to put a name out there for immediate pubic consumption? I'm sure when the time is right and it becomes necessary for these people to be named, the right people will be made aware of them. Instead of attacking the bearer of the news, why not check out the statements and find facts to either back the statement up or rule it out? Results has been very careful to state that things are HIS/HER OPINION. If he/she trusts his/her sources, that IS his/her right. Don't pick him/her apart. Don't just throw junk out there to draw away from what is brought to the board. Post legit info. Something YOU believe in...and let's discuss it!!! (Like adults, maybe??) Don't result to name calling and mud slinging!

This is all MY opinion only.

[readmylips]

I am Family. Grinstead Family. Tuesday, when I called to wish my closest Grinstead relative a "Happy Birthday", I asked about Tara. I was told that on the local level "nothing was going" on in terms of "measurable activity".

There is reason for not openly joining online discussions when you are family, as you have just proven. I should have listened to my own instincts rather than thinking I could change any unbecoming behavior here or even handle being in the same conversation.

I am sadly disappointed in every poster who yesterday and today proved my need for not openly joining online efforts in searching for Tara.

All my life, I have been so very proud of my S. Ga roots. Family and Friends were true and genuine.

Today, I am very sad to think of Ocilla, Wray, etc. I'll go back, instead to thoughts of people from Hawkinsville where the blood is thicker. I'll go back to people I can trust. To real people with genuine feelings who always respond with compassion and concern for their fellow man.

What on Earth happened to the deep south part of GA that caused people from there to think that they could hide behind an online name and behave in such a manner to other humans? You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

hawkinsville? where blood is thicker? the same hawkinsville where people balled up missing flyers and tossed them back at the kids who were passing them out in the holiday parade? the same hawkinsville where at the same event the people who saying hatefult hings to those kids who were out trying to get the word out to people to look for tara? did you know that? it is a fact and it is pretty sick to me.

i will tell you this. you came in here ready to fight. you didn't come here to do anything constructive. you may have called yourself coming here to do something constructive but your behaviors didn't take you that route. you are right. family should not communicate on a message board. i have always believed it was a foolhardy thing to do. kind of like going to a cockfight when you can't handle the site of blood. why do it to yourself?

i asked you several times to tell what measurable things you planned to do to help the cause to find tara. not one time did you respond. your only interactions were to engage in a battle of the wits with other posters. if you wanted to help the cause to find tara and you wanted it to be done in a measurable way, joining a message board with the intent to battle is not the route to take. turn off your computer, pick up the phone, call le, call gbi, ask them what is going on, ask them what you can do, print flyers, go hang them up in every visible place you can find, call a reporter, ask them to do a new story, if you really are family then use that as a push to get a new story. if you want to do something measurable then there are things you can do. what you did here was just a bad choice if that was your goal.

best wishes.

[readmylips]

The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com
The discussions focus on one person of interest even though there is not one piece of evidence of his guilt. He is accused of murder, adultery, theft, and cowardice, all of this without proof. Many of Tara's family are accused of being party to Tara's murder. This is going on even though there isn't a shred of evidence that a crime was committed.
Other than this one person of interest and Tara's family members, all other theories are dismissed as beyond belief. New members are attacked with accusations and snide remarks. New ideas are quickly dismissed and ignored. Law enforcement, which includes the person of interest, are accused of a coverup and therefore a complicity in murder.
Even with all the faults of this board, people continue to come here in hopes of helping in some way. The most recent was a member of the Grinstead family. She lasted a few days before the constant insults from some of the Long Haul Klan drove her away. She was dismissed by the words "See Ya" and a wave from a stupid little seeya gif.
This board has evolved into a patch of putrid roadkill on the internet highway, being pecked and picked over by possums, buzzards, crows, and a variety of insects. Its pitiful and a disgrace to the memory of Tara Grinstead.
"The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com"

old line on a new day. it sure has been a while since you tried to find a way to close the message boards. thought you would realize it is a futile effort by now.

yes there has been some wild, off the walll things posted since day one. that happens on every crime message board there is. it is what happens when freedom of speech is provided in an anonymous atmosphere. kati bar the door cause it's throw down time. if you can't handle it then don't come in and look.

a disgrace to the memory of tara? i didn't realize that she had been declared to have passed away. another one of the she is dead and xxxx killed her clan? until i see proof i remain in the "please God, let her be alive" clan. i think you are a disgrace by coming here and having no hope. so we are at an empasse aren't we. i can handle thinking you are wrong if you can handle thinking i am. i don't feel the need to insult you and you shouldn't feel the need to insult me. we all have minds of our own. lets use them for constructive things and not to just randomly hurt others and hurl insults this way and that.

jmo this fine morning

[readmylips]

I am truly sorry that Tara is missing and is absent from your family.
I am not hiding behind an online name. I think it has been posted more than one time who I am and I think you are aware of my name.

If you will take every thing you said and sign it by MH's family it could speak for them also. Did you ask your G. family how AG came to Ocilla Monday and pointed her finger at one person? Did you ask how her actions totally divided a town and community?
If all the old post have not been deleted you could read where MH was being discussed the same as HD is discussed today. ML was discussed and the burnt house. Av has been discussed. a JP was discussed but he sent a message confirming he had no part in Tara disappearance. But if I remember correctly not one sole every acted to the extent as some have when HD is discussed. We have been here so long until we can spot people like you a mile away. You came here not to discuss Tara but to criticize members because HD is being discussed and it's as clear as the nose on my face. I have to ask WHY? I can assure you 99% of the posters have not written off anyone or anything but we have been through much trying to discuss HD and that makes it even more interesting.
The G family needs to come forward if they know what has happened to Tara. . Do you or the G family know for certain that HD was not involved with Tara's disappearance if so someone needs to come forward?
You can go back to your roots in Hawkinsville but beware more than one has sent information regarding this case and if the roots in Ocilla and “Wray” (my roots) have been damaged so have some in Hawkinsville.
Tell the G family if HD is innocent he needs to come forward and make a statement and explain a few things. Does he owe us this....No he does not but he might owe it to the defenders who have failed to prove he is not involved. Also it would help if AG made a statement to explain why some things she has stated does not match her other statement on the same subject. Also tell the G family most of us are here for Tara and to search for the truth because her family has failed to do this. Oh there were a few spots on TV but it was not about Tara as much as it was about AG’s hair and outfits. If the outfits were not a concern ask her about filming two news reports close together and why was she worried about wearing the same outfit. Facts are what they are. They may be right and MH harmed Tara I do not rule this out but if they really want the truth they need to have an open mind. We all know that HD was in contact with Tara Sat. night and was in Ocilla the weekend and had conversation with Tara's mom. I also know AG had many conversations with HD the following days. There is a way to explain this with out hurting the case and I suggest they do so if the feel victimized. AG can only blame herself for HD, LG and herself being discussed on the message board. If you really are concerned about getting to the truth try to get the G family to come forward and set things straight concerning HD and other things. Until that happens this message board will continue just like the many others on ctv concerning missing people etc or until the moderators close it. I also will end by saying if you think I am here wasting time on a message board you are very wrong. I don’t know the G family, I don’t know HD, I don’t know MH, ML, AV, SF, JDA nor did I know Tara. But Tara deserves to have every possibility looked into and after yesterday I have no doubts that the GBI has not done this. God Bless you and the G. family. IJM


wonderful post ijm. it deserved to be bumped and reread by many.

[fsbiii]

why does everything always get clear overnight when i'm sleeping? LOL

[TallaTonight]

Hold up. YOU are calling Chief Hancock lame?

You are obviously speaking in reference to something about which you know absolutely nothing. And in that case, you'd do yourself and the rest of the board a favor and just not say anything at all.

But before you work on the witty comeback--

Do you KNOW Chief Hancock personally? Or are you taking his comments completely out of context? Why would you call Chief Hancock lame? Please explain your answer.

I know Results is honest and trustworthy and I do know Chief Hancock personally.

I have spoken with Cheif Hancock by phone and maybe met him once many years ago. He is a devoted very smart young man. I think he did the right thing when he called in GBI. I think he is still looking into th case. My post began when you all Dismissed the GBI as so much corruption. Then it was not long until these wonderful finds were being posted by Results which turned into just 'heresay' from a source she seems to trust. I went alone with that until the comment was posted that Cheif Hancock had told BS to tell the board to keep digging, then Results took this to mean heresay was fine and encouraged by Cheif Hancock. This I took issue with, I think what we do here is the least of Cheif Hancocks investigation. Do I think he is doing ALL of can, probably, Irwin County from all I have found is not equipped with the resources it would take to handle a case as Odd as Taras. I made the statement I hope he has excess to the very large and impressive files the GBI have on this case, if you would go there and look I feel you would be surprised at the time and effort they have put into this case. I do not think Cheif Hancock is 'lame' because I do not think he has hired or asked this board to do his and the GBIs job. We might not be pleased with what they are doing but what they are doing is LEGAL and will stand in a Court of Law. What we are doing will only hinder that. We are armchair sleuths maybe a few of us have had experience with LE but we are not employed with that emity now. What we state will not hold beans in Court. We toot every so called clue form heresay sources, that just will not hold water. Dig yes but to say what you dig and post as heresay is approved by Cheif Hancock is lame on OUR part and if Cheif Hancock takes this as perdinent truth he would be lame. From the conversations I have had with him I think he sits back reading this and laughing his "hiney" off at our lame efforts. We all have opinions and if we want to post them fine but folks Cheif Hancock has more to occupy his time then to be offended by the truth here. I feel he is probably the only LE that is still looking into the case but compare their files to the GBI files, and when you do remember Cheif Hancock was Smart enough to know this was above what he had resources to do HE called in the GBI. I personally believe they have done a very good job. I personally think LE has done a good job. I have not seen them attack people, ruin reputations, or harrass people. That is good investagtive skills, skills we have shown we do not have. TIMOHO

[fsbiii]

Finally. The goal. Why join and aggravate for a few days when you could've just posted this to begin with? See Talla, everyone isn't here for the same reasons. It just takes time to figure out who.

The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com

[odette]

CRIMELIBRARY

.... Ocilla Police Chief Billy Hancock knew that he would have to tread cautiously in the investigation, authorities have told Crime Library.

... Nor was Harper the only cop in Tara's life. Among her closest friends and confidents was Heath ****s, a captain in the Perry police department. Realizing the potential for allegations that the local authorities might have conflicting loyalties, Hancock quickly summoned the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/4.html

:read:

[TallaTonight]

I am truly sorry that Tara is missing and is absent from your family.
I am not hiding behind an online name. I think it has been posted more than one time who I am and I think you are aware of my name.

If you will take every thing you said and sign it by MH's family it could speak for them also. Did you ask your G. family how AG came to Ocilla Monday and pointed her finger at one person? Did you ask how her actions totally divided a town and community?
If all the old post have not been deleted you could read where MH was being discussed the same as HD is discussed today. ML was discussed and the burnt house. Av has been discussed. a JP was discussed but he sent a message confirming he had no part in Tara disappearance. But if I remember correctly not one sole every acted to the extent as some have when HD is discussed. We have been here so long until we can spot people like you a mile away. You came here not to discuss Tara but to criticize members because HD is being discussed and it's as clear as the nose on my face. I have to ask WHY? I can assure you 99% of the posters have not written off anyone or anything but we have been through much trying to discuss HD and that makes it even more interesting.
The G family needs to come forward if they know what has happened to Tara. . Do you or the G family know for certain that HD was not involved with Tara's disappearance if so someone needs to come forward?
You can go back to your roots in Hawkinsville but beware more than one has sent information regarding this case and if the roots in Ocilla and “Wray” (my roots) have been damaged so have some in Hawkinsville.
Tell the G family if HD is innocent he needs to come forward and make a statement and explain a few things. Does he owe us this....No he does not but he might owe it to the defenders who have failed to prove he is not involved. Also it would help if AG made a statement to explain why some things she has stated does not match her other statement on the same subject. Also tell the G family most of us are here for Tara and to search for the truth because her family has failed to do this. Oh there were a few spots on TV but it was not about Tara as much as it was about AG’s hair and outfits. If the outfits were not a concern ask her about filming two news reports close together and why was she worried about wearing the same outfit. Facts are what they are. They may be right and MH harmed Tara I do not rule this out but if they really want the truth they need to have an open mind. We all know that HD was in contact with Tara Sat. night and was in Ocilla the weekend and had conversation with Tara's mom. I also know AG had many conversations with HD the following days. There is a way to explain this with out hurting the case and I suggest they do so if the feel victimized. AG can only blame herself for HD, LG and herself being discussed on the message board. If you really are concerned about getting to the truth try to get the G family to come forward and set things straight concerning HD and other things. Until that happens this message board will continue just like the many others on ctv concerning missing people etc or until the moderators close it. I also will end by saying if you think I am here wasting time on a message board you are very wrong. I don’t know the G family, I don’t know HD, I don’t know MH, ML, AV, SF, JDA nor did I know Tara. But Tara deserves to have every possibility looked into and after yesterday I have no doubts that the GBI has not done this. God Bless you and the G. family. IJM
I was really getting into your post and thinking this is good. Then the bit about the hair and makeup came in, folks let that part fall by the wayside. Most women wear makeup, Tara did, most people like for their hair to be done, Tara did. We all like different amount of make up and we wear our hair in different styles. Get past that. I cannot even blame her for the MH comment if my sister had gone missing and I knew she and some man had a rocky relationship I would have probably been in his face too. The JP did come on board and give an interview with a reporter but this was after his life and been dragged though to have ever his Myspace and such accounts on line. He and the others have been put though as much if not more than MH has been through. I thing JP and his wife finally divorced after this information ws on this board. Many lives have been Hurt here some beyond repair. Did this help Tara, no, did this leave children without a parent, yes. I cannot see when ruining families is helping to find Tara. TIMOHO

[fsbiii]

If you were sincere, you woud've used that first paragraph down there to answer my (and RML's) question on Day 1 (re: measurable activity) instead of making havoc until now. We asked a question, you went off the deep end for some reason.

I've read your posts on another forum, I get the picture now. I have no idea if you're telling the truth or not about your distant relationship, and I really don't think it's relevant. Many close to Tara have shown strange conduct that is worth examining in any venue (online or offline), so you're no better. If you are lying, then that's just shameful. Many have spun lies on this forum, and others, to gain acceptance into peoples' personal lives and somehow further an agenda of an unknown nature. It usually gets wild & crazy when HD is being examined in depth.

No one has proved your 'need" for not openly joining discussions here. You just haven't done so, period. It seems odd to ask, WHY even come here in the first place for someone to prove "your need"?

Just like w/Maude - the truth has been revealed. Thanks.

I am Family. Grinstead Family. Tuesday, when I called to wish my closest Grinstead relative a "Happy Birthday", I asked about Tara. I was told that on the local level "nothing was going" on in terms of "measurable activity".

There is reason for not openly joining online discussions when you are family, as you have just proven. I should have listened to my own instincts rather than thinking I could change any unbecoming behavior here or even handle being in the same conversation.

I am sadly disappointed in every poster who yesterday and today proved my need for not openly joining online efforts in searching for Tara.

All my life, I have been so very proud of my S. Ga roots. Family and Friends were true and genuine.

Today, I am very sad to think of Ocilla, Wray, etc. I'll go back, instead to thoughts of people from Hawkinsville where the blood is thicker. I'll go back to people I can trust. To real people with genuine feelings who always respond with compassion and concern for their fellow man.

What on Earth happened to the deep south part of GA that caused people from there to think that they could hide behind an online name and behave in such a manner to other humans? You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

[fsbiii]

This is another classic one, Talla. You sure have a way of twisting things into the strangest reality (in your mind, at least). Give it a rest, PLEASE.

Many lives have been Hurt here some beyond repair. Did this help Tara, no, did this leave children without a parent, yes. I cannot see when ruining families is helping to find Tara. TIMOHO

[odette]

This shows the REAL reason that CHIEF HANCOCK brought in the GBI .. CONFLICTING LOYALTIES .. It's a great pity that the GBI did not follow suit when they sent HD's buddy to Tara's house to "investigate". JMHO

I couldn't agree with you more.

JMHO

[TallaTonight]

This is another classic one, Talla. You sure have a way of twisting things into the strangest reality (in your mind, at least). Give it a rest, PLEASE.

If I remember correctly Joe and his wife did divorce and leave a small child. Do you have other information? I also think his family said at the time this came to this board, Joe and his wife were working things out. I don't have a link because it was deleted for its content. I do know his family and friends were very upset with this board. But He was man enough to come forward and say enough is enough. Sorta like 'nuff said".

[fsbiii]

What if she just did it for another reason and really didn't know anything at all about her sister's personal life? Do you really know? Do I? Does anyone but Anita and Tara? Her track record for accurate information isn't the best in the world, and with all this about HD coming out... I wonder if she'd re-evaluate her Day1 theory? I doubt it. JMOO.

I cannot even blame her for the MH comment if my sister had gone missing and I knew she and some man had a rocky relationship I would have probably been in his face too.

[TallaTonight]

Finally. The goal. Why join and aggravate for a few days when you could've just posted this to begin with? See Talla, everyone isn't here for the same reasons. It just takes time to figure out who.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maude View Post
The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com

Fsbiii, why mention my name in a post in which you quoted Maude?

[fsbiii]

This website or discussions about him didn't cause his divorce. Are you that naive? JESUS. How about his online profiles saying he was single, childless, looking for a lady, etc.? Might that've played a part?

Either you are simpled minded or saying things like this on purpose for reaction. Based on this past week, I lean to the latter.

If I remember correctly Joe and his wife did divorce and leave a small child. Do you have other information? I also think his family said at the time this came to this board, Joe and his wife were working things out. I don't have a link because it was deleted for its content. I do know his family and friends were very upset with this board. But He was man enough to come forward and say enough is enough. Sorta like 'nuff said".

[fsbiii]

I was pointing something out to YOU, silly. Glad you let it fly right over your head, as usual.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maude View Post
The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com

Fsbiii, why mention my name in a post in which you quoted Maude?

[fsbiii]

Chief Hancock speaks for himself. No need for you to interpret his intent or his thoughts from the weekly buffet line at El Rodeo or wherever you and the gals meet to discuss this case, IMO.

I have spoken with Cheif Hancock by phone and maybe met him once many years ago. He is a devoted very smart young man. I think he did the right thing when he called in GBI. I think he is still looking into th case. My post began when you all Dismissed the GBI as so much corruption. Then it was not long until these wonderful finds were being posted by Results which turned into just 'heresay' from a source she seems to trust. I went alone with that until the comment was posted that Cheif Hancock had told BS to tell the board to keep digging, then Results took this to mean heresay was fine and encouraged by Cheif Hancock. This I took issue with, I think what we do here is the least of Cheif Hancocks investigation. Do I think he is doing ALL of can, probably, Irwin County from all I have found is not equipped with the resources it would take to handle a case as Odd as Taras. I made the statement I hope he has excess to the very large and impressive files the GBI have on this case, if you would go there and look I feel you would be surprised at the time and effort they have put into this case. I do not think Cheif Hancock is 'lame' because I do not think he has hired or asked this board to do his and the GBIs job. We might not be pleased with what they are doing but what they are doing is LEGAL and will stand in a Court of Law. What we are doing will only hinder that. We are armchair sleuths maybe a few of us have had experience with LE but we are not employed with that emity now. What we state will not hold beans in Court. We toot every so called clue form heresay sources, that just will not hold water. Dig yes but to say what you dig and post as heresay is approved by Cheif Hancock is lame on OUR part and if Cheif Hancock takes this as perdinent truth he would be lame. From the conversations I have had with him I think he sits back reading this and laughing his "hiney" off at our lame efforts. We all have opinions and if we want to post them fine but folks Cheif Hancock has more to occupy his time then to be offended by the truth here. I feel he is probably the only LE that is still looking into the case but compare their files to the GBI files, and when you do remember Cheif Hancock was Smart enough to know this was above what he had resources to do HE called in the GBI. I personally believe they have done a very good job. I personally think LE has done a good job. I have not seen them attack people, ruin reputations, or harrass people. That is good investagtive skills, skills we have shown we do not have. TIMOHO

[TallaTonight]

What if she just did it for another reason and really didn't know anything at all about her sister's personal life? Do you really know? Do I? Does anyone but Anita and Tara? Her track record for accurate information isn't the best in the world, and with all this about HD coming out... I wonder if she'd re-evaluate her Day1 theory? I doubt it. JMOO.

I do not know Anita so I cannot respond to her actions. I do think she loved her sister, we have nothing that proves she does not. We all want her to be the evil step sister but you know from all I have read I have seen no proof. There seems to be pictures of her with Tara, I have heard they had holidays together when gifts were exchanged. I don't spend a lot of time with my siblings but I love them, if they went missing I would be in everyones face, and I probably would not remember each detail of their lives because I have spent time living my life. Tara needs truth and closure, do you agree with that? Tara needs our respect, do you agree with that? I am sure Anita has re-evaluated her every move and word since Tara went missing. I think the fact of Tara missing and opinions have probably ruined her life, I would say she is a sad shell of the once vibrant person she was. TIMOHO

[fsbiii]

Truth, closure, and respect. Yes, I agree. We just have different definitions of those terms, obviously.

I won't make this thread about Anita, no need to go there again. Her actions, and inactions, speak all I need to know.

I do not know Anita so I cannot respond to her actions. I do think she loved her sister, we have nothing that proves she does not. We all want her to be the evil step sister but you know from all I have read I have seen no proof. There seems to be pictures of her with Tara, I have heard they had holidays together when gifts were exchanged. I don't spend a lot of time with my siblings but I love them, if they went missing I would be in everyones face, and I probably would not remember each detail of their lives because I have spent time living my life. Tara needs truth and closure, do you agree with that? Tara needs our respect, do you agree with that? I am sure Anita has re-evaluated her every move and word since Tara went missing. I think the fact of Tara missing and opinions have probably ruined her life, I would say she is a sad shell of the once vibrant person she was. TIMOHO

[TallaTonight]

This website or discussions about him didn't cause his divorce. Are you that naive? JESUS. How about his online profiles saying he was single, childless, looking for a lady, etc.? Might that've played a part?

Either you are simpled minded or saying things like this on purpose for reaction. Based on this past week, I lean to the latter.

No Fsbiii I do not think I am simpled minded, I would not want any of my Myspace or personal accounts brought into the fight, would you? I did see in the old post about this JP, and his family was surprised about his single reference in his accounts. Now do I think this might have been a shock to his wife? Yes it could have been, do I think it could have effected their working things out and remaining a family? Yes I do. And do I see this as another family that was harmed by Tara's disappearance? Heck Yes. I think many lives have been effected in a bad way and I am truly sorry for this. I think the Paulks and many families have been hurt, I think everyone that has touched this case has been hurt. Do I think this is right? No. Do I think it could have been different? Heck yes. But from what I read it just keeps on getting worse. Am I going on a message board and imply the GBI is not doing their job? Lordy NO. Am I saying LE is not doing their job? NO. I think these people will be the ones to solve this case, and in a way that what they find can be used and not tainted. Now as to me and my friends and where and when we met, We will not be the ones that hancuffs the perp but we will be there to say Job well done.

[fsbiii]

If I was posting things online about my undying love for Tara and how I missed her from across the globe (when I really lived a few states north), you bet I would want everything about me online and offline exposed to show my innocence if she went missing. Couple that with me being a married man with a kid and having "singles" profiles plastered on public websites... think it might raise some eyebrows? I don't have a clue about JP's situation with his wife, but he put himself in the investigation with those strange coincidences and facts. I won't apologize for digging there, no way. Again, innocence speaks for itself. If his wife left him over "this," it wasn't "this" - it was everything in combination. Again, that's just irrelevant sidestepping IMO to avoid digging wherever is necessary.

Some peoples' lives have been affected by this case because they are directly involved in the investigation and have to be checked out. Others have been tarnished out of hatred, spite, and evil IMO. I won't make a list of either. I doubt we'd put any names on the same side.

No Fsbiii I do not think I am simpled minded, I would not want any of my Myspace or personal accounts brought into the fight, would you? I did see in the old post about this JP, and his family was surprised about his single reference in his accounts. Now do I think this might have been a shock to his wife? Yes it could have been, do I think it could have effected their working things out and remaining a family? Yes I do. And do I see this as another family that was harmed by Tara's disappearance? Heck Yes. I think many lives have been effected in a bad way and I am truly sorry for this. I think the Paulks and many families have been hurt, I think everyone that has touched this case has been hurt. Do I think this is right? No. Do I think it could have been different? Heck yes. But from wht I read it just keeps on getting worse. Am I going on a message board and imply the GBI is not doing their job? Lordy NO. Am I saying LE is not doing their job? NO. I think these people will be the ones to solve this case, and in a way that what they find can be used and not tainted. Now as to me and my friends and where and when we met, We will not be the ones that hancuffs the perp but we will be there to say Job well done.

[readmylips]

Anyone with a blind eye could see what is going on. Deflection is only a small part.

perhaps you are an authority on seeing things with a blind eye? it is so obvious what is happening here that it would be funny if not so desperate and sad. drama, drama, drama. feed the habit. what a horrible subject to feed such a terrible habit with imo.

:(

[Its just me]

If I was posting things online about my undying love for Tara and how I missed her from across the globe (when I really lived a few states north), you bet I would want everything about me online and offline exposed to show my innocence if she went missing. Couple that with me being a married man with a kid and having "singles" profiles plastered on public websites... think it might raise some eyebrows? I don't have a clue about JP's situation with his wife, but he put himself in the investigation with those strange coincidences and facts. I won't apologize for digging there, no way. Again, innocence speaks for itself. If his wife left him over "this," it wasn't "this" - it was everything in combination. Again, that's just irrelevant sidestepping IMO to avoid digging wherever is necessary.

Some peoples' lives have been affected by this case because they are directly involved in the investigation and have to be checked out. Others have been tarnished out of hatred, spite, and evil IMO. I won't make a list of either. I doubt we'd put any names on the same side.

Good post fsb. There have been things brought to the message boards by me and I have no regrets. This is about Tara and people can call me evil or what ever but this is a message board provided by ctv to discuss possible theories and opinions. I have posted some things I strongly believe to be fact with one being the possiblility of the GBI not doing their job. The post in the past few day only make my belief stronger. The GBI agents have a personal friendship with HD. The incident of Tara seen getting out of a truck in Fitzgerald was NOT INVESTIGATED PROPERLY "Fact and I can prove it" and it will stand in a court room.
There is no doubt in my mind that a message board caused problems with JP and his wife. If there were/are problems it is because of JP and his wife. "If" JP did something improper on the internet too bad he got caught. The only other person that I know of with a possible seperation is HD. Well too bad HD got caught having his tail over in Ocilla, Ga visiting Tara for months and too bad he got caught making a phone call to her Sat night the weekend she disappeared. And too bad he got caught having his tail all over Tara's through out the week-end she disappeared. Too bad LG told a lie when he took the LDT and too bad AG has been caught telling one thing here and another thing there. Too bad MH was involved with Tara and all this has been discussed. Too bad AV had a relationship with Tara and showed out at her house will HD hid inside. Too bad others have been discussed my self included but I am willing to take the heat in my search for the truth. I guess I can say too bad Tara had these people in her life and they are not willing to be put in the spot light to help find her and most are not willing to share what is the truth. Too bad they think more of their self than they do Tara. What a hell of a shame. I for one will not be stopped and if I step on a few toes so be it...Tara is still gone and I don't think a stranger is involved and somewhere there is the truth and like my signature states. No bump or pig in the road will stop me. And that my friends is a fact.

[Its just me]

My post was not about any attacks on me. I was not talking about myself.
You are wrong about what my intentions were in coming here. I came here to discuss anything to do with the disappearance of Tara Grinstead.

I didn't come here with a real reason, whatever that means. I haven't said "oh poor me I have been miss treated so poor lil ole me is leaving."

This board if for everyone's opinin and yours is included. I stand by all my opinions on what I post and reserve the right to change my mind and I don't mind saying I was wrong but for right now my opinion remains the same.

[fsbiii]

Still participating though?

The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com

This board has evolved into a patch of putrid roadkill on the internet highway, being pecked and picked over by possums, buzzards, crows, and a variety of insects. Its pitiful and a disgrace to the memory of Tara Grinstead.

[Maybaby59]

I said that you've almost convinced me. I didn't say you were trying to convince me. I was only conceding to points you made in your post. Hate to break it to you, but if this conversation was happening face to face across a table, anyone could see how self serving and stupid your remark is. You converse like a monkey in a china shop. IMO

I have only posted here a few times, but I can't let this pass. If you don't like or appreciate the efforts of someone like Results then put her on ignore or get off this board. There are people here who care and want to learn as much as possible about Tara Grinstead and why/how she is missing. Like my mama always said, "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt." Enough said.

Trish

[Its just me]

I need to correct the following sentence I posted in a few post back.
There is no doubt in my mind that a message board caused problems with JP and his wife.

Should have been the following:

There is no doubt in my mind that a message board did not cause problems with JP and his wife.

[Maybaby59]

Maude! This borders on a threat, IMO. What in the world happened here?

Tell that to the blind. You should be happy that I brightened your day. You deserve worse. IMO

FSB, also sounds like a threat to me. Has someone touched a nerve? MOO

Trish

[Its just me]

I questioned the sources because of them stating that they were in the room when GBI agents were arguing over whether a camera's photos should be take for evidence and the statement about the GBI agent saying "someone was innocent, he's a friend of mine." That didn't ring true to what I believe GBI agents would do. It's as simple as that. I personally didn't believe GBI agents would do what the source reported. It was my opinion. I didn't ask for a link. I wasn't making a big deal out of it. And I did not attack the bearer of the sources information until she attacked me.

I am not attacting your belief because you ARE intitled to post what you believe. Just want that out of the way before I reply.

I disagree with what you believe about the GBI and it is not based on what I think but what I have personally experienced.

[Its just me]

The viagra wears off.

Am I missing something. I'm lost on this one.

[Lindsey]

If I remember correctly Joe and his wife did divorce and leave a small child. Do you have other information? I also think his family said at the time this came to this board, Joe and his wife were working things out. I don't have a link because it was deleted for its content. I do know his family and friends were very upset with this board. But He was man enough to come forward and say enough is enough. Sorta like 'nuff said".

I hate to hear about your friend Joe but what about Jim? Last I heard, Jim and his wife were having problems that had nothing to do with this message board. If you don't even know his name, I doubt you know much if anything about his personal life. 'nuff said.

MOO

[readmylips]

"Old line on a new day." You point out your method of wrongfully accusing new people of being former posters. You are another one of the major problems with this Board

"a disgrace to the memory of tara?" I don't have a memory of Tara because I never saw or met her. But to anyone that knew her and don't know what became of her, she is a memory. I don't know if she is dead either. In fact, I tend to think she is alive. I think you are a disgrace for the biting remarks you give other posters.


i just wish i could make sense of your words. i don't really understand anything you tried to say here. if you want to try to explain i am all ears.

you are the one who mentioned disgrace to tara's memory. i only repeated your words and applied them to your behaviors. my opinion. you have yours, i have mine. they are obviously existing on 2 different levels of reality. i don't hold that against you and cannot figure out why you would hold it against me with such venom. if i recall correctly this is the first exchange we have had. so why the bitterness?

[readmylips]

I have never said that I didn't appreciate anyone's efforts in bringing useful information to the board. But if the information from an unknown source doesn't ring true to me, I will give my opinion. My opinion can be debated or ignored. But in this case, I was neither debated or ignored. I was insulted.
Rather than ignore the insults, I chose to reply.

whats that old saying about living in a glass house and throwing stones? methinks you might want to read up on that concept. you have a sharp tongue and have insulted more than a few here from what i have seen. myself included. but no reason to get all crazy about it. shake it off and carry on. or take maybabys advice. i thought she spoke pretty well. good advice she gave there. we all need a good reminder now and then. i have always believed that it is not the things you do that are wrong that matter so much as the way you handle yourself afterward. of course that implies that you are able to recognize your own wrongdoing.

[Brainstorm]

I really haven't doubted your convictions in posting those things. I simply can't see your source exposing himself on a message board if he was as close as he says he was. Your last sentence " IF he is innocent of everything then he had no reason to lie.", is referring to (I suppose), HD's statement that he had not seen Tara in weeks. Telling one lie is not good, but to me, it doesn't seem to be proof of murder.

Forgive me for interrupting.........but I want to tell you YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Chief encouraged me/you/us/eeeeeeveryone..........TO KEEP our eyes and ears open.............................................. ..................................
IIRC,you cant get more direct than to say pieces of the puzzle are missing.......they've got to be found.....It could be one piece of info that
solves this and IT pisses me off for you to come here at this point and start questioning Results Post.Dont you realize that someone very close could end up telling YOU or me, or Results,one small thing that completes her/my/our/your piece of the puzzle !!!!!!!!

Maybe that person doesnt feel comfortably talking to LE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or GBI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it has been my experience that sometimes one confesses to God
ONLY
but with all ther pieces....Yours,mine & ours, we can find Tara and bring the PERP(IMOO) to JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
I will catch up on my reading later and join the conversation, and maybe stay on topic, but I needed to post that.....
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I have never said that I didn't appreciate anyone's efforts in bringing useful information to the board. But if the information from an unknown source doesn't ring true to me, I will give my opinion. My opinion can be debated or ignored. But in this case, I was neither debated or ignored. I was insulted.
Rather than ignore the insults, I chose to reply.

This is what I mean.............IF YOU cant take an insult, then you dont need to be here....
this has gone futher than a damn insult....Get out of the way,get on another thread if you want to chat.and Results or anyone else here does not have to answer to each new poster,......Shes not here to convince YOU of anything.....If you dont like it.............who cares??????????some of us do and are 100% willing to back her. She could be wrong,but shes doing something......................................... ........
JMHO

[Results]

:flamemad: Well looks to me like hell has opened up wide. I was told IF I posted my information I would take hits and hell would open up wide. This wasn't said because someone may not believe me or someone would believe me this was said because it was about HD. The "golden boy". Lets get down to the truth shall we. I went to the CB board to try to find out how MH was guilty and HD was so innocent when HD was there. First off and facts they didn't want to talk about MH and refuse to talk about HD they wanted to talk about the Admin of another board, TT. It was so unbelievable that I couldn't even understand where Tara got lost in all this hatred for the Admin of another board. For the record I was Results there too so nobody make a mistake about who I was over there. I am Results on all the boards. I came to CL where some of the posters from the CB board were talking some real bad stuff about the Admin of TT. I chose GAC because I felt like she really cared and if she cared then maybe we could get down to the bottom of all this hatred and work together instead of against each other. I believe that GAC wanted to go in a chat with 2 of her choosing and she already knew who I was taking the Admins of TT. It was a chat with no cussing, no copying or pasting just get it out and clear the air and have everyone together to give Tara a better fighting chance of being found. I truly believe that GAC wanted to go into that chat but I don't think she could find 2 people and I don't know that I just felt that. I haven't spoke about the TT Admin's for along time because they are always get hit in the crossfire when I don't even know them. I just felt that they, the Admins, had a right to defend their honor and their word because everyone should be able to defend that no matter who you are. I know this about HD nobody wanted to talk about him he was off limits. Why in the world would he be off limits when it was his card in the door and he was placed there and called a missing woman's Mother in the middle of the night? He is an Officer of the Law and he felt like he should call her Mother then he knew something was wrong but refused to get help from the proper authorities the OPD. He failed Tara by not making that call. We would have no speculations if he would have done what was right and he has to live with that IF he is innocent which I don't think he is or he would have called it was like history repeating itself when AV had his hands on Tara he stepped back and away and he isn't just some average "Joe" he is a LE Officer that took an oath to uphold the law. IF he didn't do anything else he should have been dialing 911 not the neighbors. That doesn't matter what I think happened and its already been doen and over with. A poster a few months back said that when fingers started pointing at HD that HD changed big time. It was then that I said I'm not taking NO for an answer or I can't tell you. I was going to try to eliminate HD once and for all or let the cards fall where they may. I chose to bother and be a pest to get answers because I felt someone has to say Tara is worth finding. The secrets have got to come out so we can bring her home either way because no matter what Tara did or didn't do she deserves to be found. I thought of all the pro's and con's before I posted my information and I made sure that I protected everyone of my sources because they earned that right when they took a chance in talking to me. I was honored that they did talk to me. I felt the need to share this information with a group of people that I think are here for the right reasons and that would be for Tara. I watched in awe as the post were being buried and I never said one word because if it was meant to be read then it would be read. It was important to me to give you this information because it was important it showed IMO why the linens weren't taken and the clothes last worn wasn't taken. The necklace wasn't found for 3 visits that she had on that night and still can't get a straight answer on WHO FOUND THE NECKLACE. As I said believe it or not that is your right. HD's own action speaks louder than words that I could ever bring to this board. JMHO

To Chief Hancock: I want to publicly apologize to you because I was the one that said maybe we were on the right track from BS post of your comment. I sincerely apologize in no way did I mean any harm or for your name to be drug through the mud and I am very sorry for that because it was by no means my intentions at all.

To all who have a problem with MY TITLE AND POINTS PLEASE PM FW AND ASK HER TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING TO ME WHAT DOES MEAN SOMETHING TO ME IS FINDING THE TRUTH WHICH I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO UNTIL TARA IS FOUND.

My above post is my opinion and the experiences that I have had with the quest in finding Tara.

To Tara :rose: We are still looking for you and will continue to do so.

[fsbiii]

Only you and kathmandu have a fascination with this topic... obviously lacking something at home, I imagine.

The viagra wears off.

[One2Snoop]

Thanks Results - those who've been here for the long haul know you only want to find out the truth - For Tara. :rose:

[mooloo]

Chief Hancock may indeed be laughing his "hiney" off at our lame efforts, that is not going to help or hurt this case.

I felt that he made that statement "keep digging" in the context of--keep digging, you might find something (and LE will be watching, in case they are needed)....not as in--keep digging, you people are crazy and entertaining.

Enough already, time for my afternoon nap....:o


I have spoken with Cheif Hancock by phone and maybe met him once many years ago. He is a devoted very smart young man. I think he did the right thing when he called in GBI. I think he is still looking into th case. My post began when you all Dismissed the GBI as so much corruption. Then it was not long until these wonderful finds were being posted by Results which turned into just 'heresay' from a source she seems to trust. I went alone with that until the comment was posted that Cheif Hancock had told BS to tell the board to keep digging, then Results took this to mean heresay was fine and encouraged by Cheif Hancock. This I took issue with, I think what we do here is the least of Cheif Hancocks investigation. Do I think he is doing ALL of can, probably, Irwin County from all I have found is not equipped with the resources it would take to handle a case as Odd as Taras. I made the statement I hope he has excess to the very large and impressive files the GBI have on this case, if you would go there and look I feel you would be surprised at the time and effort they have put into this case. I do not think Cheif Hancock is 'lame' because I do not think he has hired or asked this board to do his and the GBIs job. We might not be pleased with what they are doing but what they are doing is LEGAL and will stand in a Court of Law. What we are doing will only hinder that. We are armchair sleuths maybe a few of us have had experience with LE but we are not employed with that emity now. What we state will not hold beans in Court. We toot every so called clue form heresay sources, that just will not hold water. Dig yes but to say what you dig and post as heresay is approved by Cheif Hancock is lame on OUR part and if Cheif Hancock takes this as perdinent truth he would be lame. From the conversations I have had with him I think he sits back reading this and laughing his "hiney" off at our lame efforts. We all have opinions and if we want to post them fine but folks Cheif Hancock has more to occupy his time then to be offended by the truth here. I feel he is probably the only LE that is still looking into the case but compare their files to the GBI files, and when you do remember Cheif Hancock was Smart enough to know this was above what he had resources to do HE called in the GBI. I personally believe they have done a very good job. I personally think LE has done a good job. I have not seen them attack people, ruin reputations, or harrass people. That is good investagtive skills, skills we have shown we do not have. TIMOHO

[Atok]

I hate to hear about your friend Joe but what about Jim? Last I heard, Jim and his wife were having problems that had nothing to do with this message board. If you don't even know his name, I doubt you know much if anything about his personal life. 'nuff said.

MOO

Thank you Lindsey. I was about to post the same, but wanted to finish reading first. I can only imagine the destructive invasion a case like this has on people close and far removed from the direct hit of a missing person. The fallout is a shame. So much of it is unnecessary but occurs because people lie. Lies get checked into and people get their personal lives in an upheaval. If we had Truth, everyone would be set free from this mess.

This board will stay until there is a closure to this case. Posts and members may end up removed, due to infractions, but I am certain that CL has every desire to provide a space to address this case and not allow it to go unsolved.

I continue to urge people with a personal connection to the case, to provide data that others do not have in order to assist with the closure of the case. Preferably directly to the Chief himself.

If they can stomach the public boards, they are welcome, but it's never been encouraged to stare at the carnage anonymous people can make while they root through the garbage looking for a fact.

I wanted to add, very nice post Results.

[The R]

The Tara Grinstead message board should be banned from Crimelibrary.com
The discussions focus on one person of interest even though there is not one piece of evidence of his guilt. He is accused of murder, adultery, theft, and cowardice, all of this without proof. Many of Tara's family are accused of being party to Tara's murder. This is going on even though there isn't a shred of evidence that a crime was committed.
Other than this one person of interest and Tara's family members, all other theories are dismissed as beyond belief. New members are attacked with accusations and snide remarks. New ideas are quickly dismissed and ignored. Law enforcement, which includes the person of interest, are accused of a coverup and therefore a complicity in murder.
Even with all the faults of this board, people continue to come here in hopes of helping in some way. The most recent was a member of the Grinstead family. She lasted a few days before the constant insults from some of the Long Haul Klan drove her away. She was dismissed by the words "See Ya" and a wave from a stupid little seeya gif.
This board has evolved into a patch of putrid roadkill on the internet highway, being pecked and picked over by possums, buzzards, crows, and a variety of insects. Its pitiful and a disgrace to the memory of Tara Grinstead.


Roadkill is bad but you should try enduring that crap that comes out of a cropduster......


ALLMO,
R

[TallaTonight]

Excuse me for the Joe when it should have been Jim. I still felt for his family. Now as to me and my opinion of HD, he could be the one that did it, if anything was done. I don't know but I still say I bet he has been questioned by everyone and their brother. Do I think we will be privy to that? No. We can dig all we want but the ground we are digging has been dug over and over again by people who could make an arrest IF they found reason to. Over and over I say kudos to those that have dug for these many months now. I think Results posted from her heart but still I see nothing but more heresay. Dig away though anything to get back on topic. Just don't say everyone that has another idea is guarding the Golden Boy. And *LOL* I am not getting into the fsbiii topic about personal medicine, I think he is much to young to need any of that. Now what were you all saying about Tara and the search for her. I might not pipe in with the assusing of HD but I really do not see him or MH or LG as doing anything intentional to harm Tara. JMOHO

[Results]

I think everyone should do what is right for them. Just because a conversation is going on doesn't mean you have to join it. JMHO

[dixinites]

Originally Posted by bornNbred S.GA
SNIP>One of my Dear Friends is w/ the FBI. I do wish I had the courage to ask a favor of him... Until not to very long ago, he worked for us at our business and he asked me for a reference for the FBI. Maybe he wouldn't mind too much putting the 'bug' so to speak into someone's ear in order to get the ball moving on Tara again. <SNIP


The information regarding the GBI being a "little too close" to one of the main POIs in this case is nothing new. Some of the info Results has shared with us certainly expounds on some of the previous rumors regarding this connection. If there is a conflict of interest within the investigative authority here, then the FBI should be very interested to hear of it. I think your idea to share the information with your "friend" is a good one.

My question would be, if you are indeed "close" to the case, why have you not already done so? Tara is still missing...I think drawing on all of your courage would be in order. JMO.

BUMPING, in case BornNbred is still in the building...

[Its just me]

I know this post was not for me OR maybe it was. Anyway, my opinions of this board were formed after being a member for about a week. My opinions became stronger after being insulted by the leader of the pack. It only takes time for a new member to be attacked once the supreme one decides she doesn't care for their opinion.

One question and I would appreciate a truthful answer. When you posted as Maude was this the very first time you have ever posted on Tara Grinstead's board here at ctv. Ever?

[jond]

Its just the way it is, if you do not agree with the 5 or so members of the LHG, you gots a long way to go being accepted as a member of this board. Nothing is wrong with that, IMO, going against the majority has always been a difficult and, usually, losing position. They, the LHG, and this applies to those on the outside, have clearly stated they trust their sources, accept it or not. I do not accept the information provided by these "sources", my choice. FSBIII and Results, IMO,have provided good info regarding the AV incident and while the LHG sees this one way, I see it another. I do not agree with a GBI conspiracy, GBI agents tampering with evidence or obstructing justice as has been stated by the LHG, but that is their view...while mysterious and unsolved, this case is not remarkable. Now, I do not believe HD had anything to do with TG disappearance, and do not care nor judge whatever their relationship is/was... if a murder charge was the penalty for messing around, we will need more judges. What is missing or is the motivation for the following:

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...


"Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

[Results]

Its just the way it is, if you do not agree with the 5 or so members of the LHG, you gots a long way to go being accepted as a member of this board. Nothing is wrong with that, IMO, going against the majority has always been a difficult and, usually, losing position. They, the LHG, and this applies to those on the outside, have clearly stated they trust their sources, accept it or not. I do not accept the information provided by these "sources", my choice. FSBIII and Results, IMO,have provided good info regarding the AV incident and while the LHG sees this one way, I see it another. I do not agree with a GBI conspiracy, GBI agents tampering with evidence or obstructing justice as has been stated by the LHG, but that is their view...while mysterious and unsolved, this case is not remarkable. Now, I do not believe HD had anything to do with TG disappearance, and do not care nor judge whatever their relationship is/was... if a murder charge was the penalty for messing around, we will need more judges. What is missing or is the motivation for the following:

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...


"Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

I'm confused here. What 5 are you talking about. I have always debated with you with respect and thanked you for the debate. I'm very confused by your post. JMHO

[Results]

It seems we have arrived at yet another of those moments on this forum. In an effort to be useful I make this open offer to all here. IF you have information about this case from whatever sources please contact David Lohr.

David will need to contact YOUR sources to independently verify statements but as the ULTIMATE professional sources would NOT BE NAMED. In this manner I think a better overall picture of what is known can be ascertained.

SO? who's up for the challenge? Whose willing to contact David and get some of this information onto the public record?

I will keep members informed of whether David has received ANY information that he can follow-up on (specific nics will not be ID because that's wrong and besides David won't tell me info like that).

Let's see how this works shall we?

FH20

I already E-mailed him! I already put my nic on that E-mail explaining what was happening. Sorry if I wasn't suppose to put that nic on there. Should I send another one?

[jond]

I'm confused here. What 5 are you talking about. I have always debated with you with respect and thanked you for the debate. I'm very confused by your post. JMHO

Results, I do respect your view and know that you are committed in your stance, it is just that any opinion differing with the prevailing LHG theory is met "en masse", IMO, to discourage a different viewpoint. I cannot recall where an "outsider"'s post was met with any consideration. It is very difficult to not be within the gang here.

[Results]

Results, I do respect your view and know that you are committed in your stance, it is just that any opinion differing with the prevailing LHG theory is met "en masse", IMO, to discourage a different viewpoint. I cannot recall where an "outsider"'s post was met with any consideration. It is very difficult to not be within the gang here.

Jond, you have always had different views than me and I have always read what you had to say. There are many more that have different views than me and I have read all of their post as well. I have always posted why I think HD is involved. There are posters that think it is a woman and I have read their post and asked question a good example TusconDream. Esah believes that Tara is alive and I read all of her post. The only thing that bothers me is when some posters don't have a theory and are only interested in attacking posters. I'm by no means perfect but I do read all post because they could be right. I made a list over the holidays thanking posters by names that included all sides of Tara's case to show my appreciation of all posters. The more posters posting that just means more to care about Tara. JMHO

[Results]

David can know and needs to know how to contact you (by nic, e-mail or phone) but he won't say Fresh I got an e-mail from results claiming abc and she lists tom, dick, and harry as the sources. All I'll get from him is whether or not he has heard from anyone who has provided him with information and sources for verification. Depending on what he receives he might post here or write a news article. That would be up to him.

FH20

Thank you freshwater.

[jond]

Back on to the matter at hand. It has been posted that HD had stopped on Lower River Road in or near Hawkinsville on that Sunday to visit a friend a friend not seen in years supposedly to establish an alibi...my question, why stop? Without this theoretical stop, HD is nowhere near Hawkinsville or the Lower River Road leading to Ocilla?

[One2Snoop]

Jond, you have always had different views than me and I have always read what you had to say. There are many more that have different views than me and I have read all of their post as well. I have always posted why I think HD is involved. There are posters that think it is a woman and I have read their post and asked question a good example TusconDream. Esah believes that Tara is alive and I read all of her post. The only thing that bothers me is when some posters don't have a theory and are only interested in attacking posters. I'm by no means perfect but I do read all post because they could be right. I made a list over the holidays thanking posters by names that included all sides of Tara's case to show my appreciation of all posters. The more posters posting that just means more to care about Tara. JMHO

ITA with your post Results. No one here that I'm aware won't listen to others theories. I too have read everyones posts. I believe the biggest problem/frustration here are the (nicswitchers) posters who continually come here to derail the conversation.

Count me out of the 5 Jond because I do listen and contemplates others theories.

[odette]

Back on to the matter at hand. It has been posted that HD had stopped on Lower River Road in or near Hawkinsville on that Sunday to visit a friend a friend not seen in years supposedly to establish an alibi...my question, why stop? Without this theoretical stop, HD is nowhere near Hawkinsville or the Lower River Road leading to Ocilla?

Maybe HD was "seen" by someone in that particular area and needed to have a reason for being there, if ever the need should arise.

JMHO

[jond]

So does this:
Two of the people did not see anyone who may have been driving that vehicle. One of those people did. One of the person -- one the people saw the person believed to be driving this Chevrolet pickup, and actually spoke to this person, had verbal contact with him.

So now investigators are trying to track down this pickup, trying to track down whoever this person who may have been driving is.

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Robert, Robert, what time of the night was this?

PRESTON: The truck was seen several times during the weekend. The most recent time or the latest time it was seen was about 6:00 in the morning on October 24th when Tara was reported missing.

GRACE: To Tara Grinstead`s sister, Anita Gattis, I`m happy we`ve got tip, I`m happy we`ve got the break, Anita. But why are we just learning this?

ANITA GATTIS, MISSING TARA GRINSTEAD`S SISTER: Well, Nancy, we had heard early on about neighbors of Tara`s who saw a dark vehicle in her yard early Monday morning when they went to the convenient store. This person was interviewed by GBI police. I don`t know what they chalked that experience up to, you know, not really sure why they didn`t pursue that any further.

We`ve also found out that a teenager who saw the car had verbal contact and some profanity was exchanged. So I can understand why he`s been a little hesitant, plus he was here visiting with a neighbor who had moved a few weeks after Tara disappeared. So we had some issues in tracking him down.

While we were tracking that kid down, we found a 23-year-old man who saw the vehicle here at another point. Now, I want to make it clear: The vehicle was not here all weekend; it evidently was coming and going and came without being noticed and drawing a lot of attention, so we`re wondering if it was a vehicle that had been here before, someone that knew Tara.

GRACE: OK, let me get this straight. The vehicle was parked -- snip

Back to her sister, Anita Gattis. Now, why would someone exchange profanity with -- I assume it was a male -- the guy driving this black Chevy parked up on her yard?

GATTIS: Well, you know, that`s a big question to us, too. This kid was playing in the side street that`s next to Tara`s house. The guy was outside the truck. He looked over at him, said some profanity to the kid, so the kid, you know, takes off back inside. That`s what we don`t know: Why this was person angry just because he was recognized?

GRACE: Well, to Richard Herman, whoever is driving a black Chevy pickup -- and maybe you`re better at it than I am -- but in the middle of the night, I don`t know if I could tell a Chevy from a Ford parked up in somebody`s yard, but apparently not one, not two, but three people have observed this vehicle.

Now, Richard, you know, I don`t want to prejudge the case. I would never do a thing like that.

HERMAN: No, not you, Nancy.

GRACE: But here`s the thing: If this person isn`t connected to her disappearance, why haven`t they come forward to say, "Oh, I`m part of the time line. I can tell you she was here, there, this, that, at this time the weekend"? So why are they shrinking back? snip

have any impact on the fact as has been stated here that HD has a Ford F150?

and, to add,...the famed Perry Fair photos, was HD in uniform at that time? Could HD been at work during the fair, and had a photo taken be it with an old friend or current thing? and not a date or coming out party?

[concernedperson]

ITA with your post Results. No one here that I'm aware won't listen to others theories. I too have read everyones posts. I believe the biggest problem/frustration here are the (nicswitchers) posters who continually come here to derail the conversation.

Count me out of the 5 Jond because I do listen and contemplates others theories..

I have always posted as concernedperson. Here, there and everywhere. I understand that there are nicswitchers from time to time.

Some are seekeroftruth to readmylips, some are fep to itsjustme. Not saying there is anything wrong with changing your nic but it happens. As to wit these respected posters.

So, when you say nicswitchers consider all. There is no one that is immune to a situation.We are all real people with real life experiences that are shared in some way, shape or form. Either an opinion or an observation or a real life experience...we tend to share.

I would like for anyone interested to read back on this thread to the beginning. There are many interesting posts before hostility took the impetous.

This is an open case and there are no arrests. And, there is also no Tara. The hope is that someone will finally come forward but that is unlikely and even if the piece could be picked up it is more than likely not going to be shared.Someone is better than us about not sharing.....that is the perp.

[Results]

Jond, I would like to know about the picture too. I have asked about it but no one has answered of yet. Maybe someone can tell us more about this picture.

[jond]

So, my question is what is what ?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...

PRESTON: The truck was seen several times during the weekend. The most recent time or the latest time it was seen was about 6:00 in the morning on October 24th when Tara was reported missing.
vs.

Source: Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

[odette]

Hd's protection has been remarkable since the disapperance of Tara Grinstead. I figured that I would make contact with several individuals to try to get the real story. After verifying several accounts at 1st hand from my source this is what my sources had to say:

A source was leaked to me about a heated arguement between a GBI agent named Carl and Dominic Turner the night of the processing of Tara's house. The argument was supposedly over Tara's digital camera which contained a picture of Tara and Heath ****s at the Perry fair together. "Carl" wanted it taken into evidence....Dominic didnt. Carl was heard saying something along the lines of: "now that you know what you know you need to take that into evidence". Dominic responded with something like " He's already admitted they were seeing each other" and still refused to take it into evidence. This source that told me this walked out as he said the argument became "heated". The camera must have been taken B/c the recovery agent hired by Billy Grinstead couldnt find it in the house.

Now the question I have is where is the digital camera and the picture of Tara and HD? Was it taken into evidence? How did HD admit having a relationship with Tara to DT unless DT and HD talked before DT got to the house. Something isn't right here because the sheets were not taken and her clothes last worn were not taken. Now if we just knew how bad and what happened after the argument became heated. Still digging and will try to post one at a time of the information that I have received from a very reliable source. As I said before I don't have a link ... believe it or not. I believe the picture starts to get clearer. JMHO and now for #2......

"Now the question I have is where is the digital camera and the picture of Tara and HD? Was it taken into evidence? How did HD admit having a relationship with Tara to DT unless DT and HD talked before DT got to the house."

I hope that David Lohr can dig out what has happened to Tara's digital camera with the photo of her and HD at the 2005 Perry fair.

JMHO

[jond]

tell me iirc; HD drives gray F-150 truck.
DT also drives an F-150/gray truck.

If HD said he hadn't seen Tara in weeks and DT and HD are friends, is it possible that TG was also friends with DT? maybe the truck seen was DT's and not HD's? if not possible, correct me but forgive me.

My question is based on: "PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. " Apparently, this Chevy attracted attention, and supposedly HD/DT drive Fords.

[odette]

From a several reliable sources from Ocilla this is what they had to say about the parking of HD's vehicles and he did have several that he did use. I was glad to confirm this was true. Here is the parking of the vehicles:

Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

These witnesses are people who live there and know!

It is of my opinion that this is true and correct from not one source but many.

"Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on."

This Masonic Lodge where HD is alleged to have parked his vehicle behind .. Is this a short walk to Tara's house? .. Are their many occupied house's between the Masonic Lodge and Tara's house?. TIA

JMHO

[The R]

My question is based on: "PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. " Apparently, this Chevy attracted attention, and supposedly HD/DT drive Fords.


Isn't it possible for Chevys and Fords to have been there???


ALLMO,
R

[concernedperson]

Concernedperson- I need to ask you a question, but something is not right with your private messages. It says you are not a recognized member? Maybe you can post when this is straightened out?
Esah, your box is full and it says you cannot accept messages,
and Maude, your box says you are not accepting private messages.
Please post when your boxes are empty. Thanks~

Nothing wrong with my pm box. I just sent myself one.

[jond]

"Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on."

This Masonic Lodge where HD is alleged to have parked his vehicle behind .. Is this a short walk to Tara's house? .. Are their many occupied house's between the Masonic Lodge and Tara's house?. TIA

JMHO

Thanks again for the time, and I'll go with this, if HD and the next door neighbors\ had the agreement he could park at their house, why in the world would he be parking at the Masonic lodge?

[jond]

Isn't it possible for Chevys and Fords to have been there???


ALLMO,
R

Like a gathering of TG stalkers?

[odette]

I was told that a person that went to the GBI in Perry witnessed a guy fitting Heath's description hanging out with the GBI agents that day in the office laughing and joking, they said when he started to leave one of the female agents even said "goodbye Heath".

I was also told that DT ALLEGEDLY said something similar to this ..."Heath couldnt have done this....hes a close friend of mine".

So what is the GBI laughing a joking with a man that left his business card in the door of a missing woman? I find this conduct very unbecoming of LE Officers that are suppose to be on Tara's side not HD's. IF DT did indeed say this then HD sure has protection alot better then any of the men we have discussed. AG/LG/FG, DT, GBI laughing and joking with him what does this man have to worry about it? They scream justice justice justice and I scream truth truth truth.

It is not of my intention to get anyone in trouble but rather get off your hineys and do something about this situation. Tara has not been found and NO ONE DESERVES TO BE PROTECTED OR ABOVE THE LAW. JMHO

"I was also told that DT ALLEGEDLY said something similar to this ..."Heath couldnt have done this....hes a close friend of mine"."

I'd like to ask DT, "What couldn't have Heath done"?. I thought that there was NO evidence of "foul play"?. Well, that's what we have been led to believe?. Hmmmmm

JMHO

[Results]

Like a gathering of TG stalkers?

How many people do you think were staking her?

[The R]

Like a gathering of TG stalkers?

lol.....whatever you want to call it.....my point is there could've been more than one type of truck similar in color at or near her house. Eyewitness accounts are known to not be reliable sometimes. Stalkers? Why would you say that anyway?


ALLMO,
R

[jond]

Like a gathering of TG stalkers?

R, to finish, a Chevy apparently caught an eye, not a Ford.

[Results]

"I was also told that DT ALLEGEDLY said something similar to this ..."Heath couldnt have done this....hes a close friend of mine"."

I'd like to ask DT, "What couldn't have Heath done"?. I thought that there was NO evidence of "foul play"?. Well, that's what we have been led to believe?. Hmmmmm

JMHO

Good point odette.

[jond]

How many people do you think were staking her?

Results and R, I was trying to make the point that someone in a Chevy that weekend caught the attention of others, not the presence of someone in a Ford. As for stalkers, don't know, and sorry about the stalker word, geez it was just a play on Chevys and Fords gathering outside TG house.. good gawd, wheres an ally when I need'em, but I suppose Iz been askin for it.

[groucho]

After reading all of Results posts carefully I am wondering what else they (GBI)actually found but covered up or hid. Didn't Dr. G find a couple of tiny stains that resembled blood in the bedroom and on the wall outside? Did they get to clean up a mess before anybody else went into the house?

[odette]

LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon. JMHO

"The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon."

Yes you are right .. we have always been led to believe that HD got to Ocilla in the afternoon .. would love to know how many miles HD clocked up that weekend.

Well, I guess this answers one of my previous questions, ie "Did HD report for duty at the Perry PD on Monday 24 October?".

JMHO

[The R]

Results and R, I was trying to make the point that someone in a Chevy that weekend caught the attention of others, not the presence of someone in a Ford. As for stalkers, don't know, and sorry about the stalker word, geez it was just a play on Chevys and Fords gathering outside TG house.. good gawd, wheres an ally when I need'em, but I suppose Iz been askin for it.


Jond,

Just a minor point here...but if the time the 'chevy' truck was recognized was 6:00 am, I'm not sure the sighting is that accurate. According to the searches I've done online, that was before sunrise.....

ALLMO,
R

[Results]

Results and R, I was trying to make the point that someone in a Chevy that weekend caught the attention of others, not the presence of someone in a Ford. As for stalkers, don't know, and sorry about the stalker word, geez it was just a play on Chevys and Fords gathering outside TG house.. good gawd, wheres an ally when I need'em, but I suppose Iz been askin for it.

No need to get upset I was just asking. I agree many people have tried to make that ford into a chevy...even NG seemed to try to sway the chevy to a ford. I have never said that it was HD or DT vehicle at Tara's Monday AM. Only thing I answered was fsbii asked what vehicle was HD in that morning. I have no idea who it was. I just wished whoever saw these vehicles would have come forward with the information alot sooner. IJM just said today that the person that saw Tara get out of a black truck at the pageant has still not been contacted by the GBI. Doesn't that seem odd to you? JMHO

[jond]

Jond,

Just a minor point here...but if the time the 'chevy' truck was recognized was 6:00 am, I'm not sure the sighting is that accurate. According to the searches I've done online, that was before sunrise.....

ALLMO,
R

Yes, and, IMO, where HD was Sunday night or Monday morning, is not as important as where he was Sunday 12-9 am.

[One2Snoop]

You're welcome...and FWII, Ford and Chev trucks have similar body styles. I could see where they might be confused, especially at night, with someone yelling obscenities at you and trying to recall the event.

Bumping this because I think Dixinites makes an important point here.

[odette]

Jond,

Just a minor point here...but if the time the 'chevy' truck was recognized was 6:00 am, I'm not sure the sighting is that accurate. According to the searches I've done online, that was before sunrise.....

ALLMO,
R

Ocilla ~ Sunday October 23 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:42 am

Ocilla ~ Monday October 24 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:43 am

[jond]

No need to get upset I was just asking. I agree many people have tried to make that ford into a chevy...even NG seemed to try to sway the chevy to a ford. I have never said that it was HD or DT vehicle at Tara's Monday AM. Only thing I answered was fsbii asked what vehicle was HD in that morning. I have no idea who it was. I just wished whoever saw these vehicles would have come forward with the information alot sooner. IJM just said today that the person that saw Tara get out of a black truck at the pageant has still not been contacted by the GBI. Doesn't that seem odd to you? JMHO

Not upset, just fragile. "black truck", interesting, and was it a black Chevy mentioned by Preston.? From my reading, the Chevy sighting did not just happen once at night. Perhaps, minor points on my behalf and thank ya'll for the time. See you later.

[The R]

Ocilla ~ Sunday October 23 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:42 am

Ocilla ~ Monday October 24 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:43 am



I think most eyewitness ID's on vehicles in the dark ain't worth much as far as telling the brand or the darkness of the color....

speaking of times,

everyone remember to 'spring ahead' tonight......

ALLMO,
R

[fsbiii]

What boxes? Is there anything else Maria Hulett said regarding "what" was packed/stacked beside the bed? I don't see anything packed/stacked beside the bed in any pics, so whatever was packed/stacked must've been moved prior to pictures being taken?

Has anyone ever said "boxes" were there?


Good question. I wonder if Tara is the one who moved the boxes that were stacked up on or beside her bed that MHu reported seeing that Monday morning in Tara's bedroom.

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

[odette]

HULETT: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.

http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html

Maria H. said things, not boxes.

JMHO

[odette]

Sorry fsbiii .. I didn't see your post about "the boxes" before I posted.

[One2Snoop]

Since we're still exploring any and all POI's what make/model was MH's truck? I can't tell from this picture but it looks like it says F150. :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:10,00.html

[One2Snoop]

I'm assuming this pic was taken shortly after Tara disappeared - I don't see any boxes in this picture....

http://i17.tinypic.com/2q02ddi.jpg

[One2Snoop]

MHu: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed.

I really believe it was just a figure of speach - meaning her room was a mess. MHu basically is saying her room is a mess - thats what she's describing, IMO. Looking at the picture I posted I would say her room was a mess. IMO, JMO.

[One2Snoop]

Since we're still exploring any and all POI's what make/model was MH's truck? I can't tell from this picture but it looks like it says F150. :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:10,00.html

Back to the truck -

I still find the following of interest..... What happened to these witnesses?

But Tara's supporters, including her brother-in-law Larry Gattis, have argued that law enforcement officials, most notably Youghn's office, have failed to aggressively pursue key leads.

Among those leads, Gattis said, were two reports from witnesses describing a similar pickup truck which Gattis and others suspect may shed some light on Tara's disappearance. According to Gattis, a witness told police that she spotted the truck parked outside Tara's house about 5 a.m. on Sunday morning, Oct. 23. A second witness told investigators that a similar truck was spotted on one of the large plots of land near Marcus Harper's home.

Gattis contends that Youghn was notified about the truck, but failed to pass that information along to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Gattis also contends that Youghn, who was responsible for directing the physical searches for evidence in Tara's case, neglected to scour the 100 acres in the area where the truck was reportedly spotted.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0306/1401_tara_grinstead_tensions_mount2.html

[One2Snoop]

Since we're still exploring any and all POI's what make/model was MH's truck? I can't tell from this picture but it looks like it says F150. :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:10,00.html


Or is it a Chevy? Dixinites, where are you?

[Its just me]

Back to the truck -

I still find the following of interest..... What happened to these witnesses?

But Tara's supporters, including her brother-in-law Larry Gattis, have argued that law enforcement officials, most notably Youghn's office, have failed to aggressively pursue key leads.

Among those leads, Gattis said, were two reports from witnesses describing a similar pickup truck which Gattis and others suspect may shed some light on Tara's disappearance. According to Gattis, a witness told police that she spotted the truck parked outside Tara's house about 5 a.m. on Sunday morning, Oct. 23. A second witness told investigators that a similar truck was spotted on one of the large plots of land near Marcus Harper's home.

Gattis contends that Youghn was notified about the truck, but failed to pass that information along to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Gattis also contends that Youghn, who was responsible for directing the physical searches for evidence in Tara's case, neglected to scour the 100 acres in the area where the truck was reportedly spotted.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0306/1401_tara_grinstead_tensions_mount2.html

What happened to this truck?

My relative had purchase a Mobile Home to remodel and to resale. (part of her business) and some building materials were stolen from this sight in Oct/Nov 05
Relative was trying to locate anyone who may have seen someone at the sight hoping to track down who stole the building material.
A lady who lived nearby drove by and relative tried to stop her. The lady would not stop but relative followed lady into Ocilla and pulled up beside the lady and the lady stopped. The lady explained that Tara was missing and she was afraid to stop but after she realized relative was a female she stopped.
The conversation continued about the missing material and Tara. The lady told relative she had been to the beauty pageant in Fitzgerald and saw Tara get out of a black truck. The lady said she had called this in (to who I do not know) End of relative and Lady's contact.
Relative was watching a TV show (I think the Nancy Grace) and heard about a black truck. Relative called Robert Preston (newspaper reporter) who was on the NG show to ask him if there was a black truck spotted around Ocilla. Relative asked me what I knew about Tara and told this story to me.
I put this story on the board.
Dr. G tracked this lady down (I have heard one way but Dr. G told me another way but I guess that part does not matter) Dr G called my relative and before relative would go further with Dr. G she called me because she knew nothing about Dr. G. or Tara's case. Was surprised she got a call. I explained to her that I posted what she had told me on a message board and Dr. G was ok to talk to but to make sure there was a witness when Dr. G. talked to the lady. Dr. G never followed up on this or not through my relative.
I again posted this on the board and my relative got a call from the GBI and relative told what the lady said she witnessed and I am sure relative described the location of where the lady lived in Nov 05. There was either one or two phone calls from GBI but relative was never sure if this lady was contacted. Since I don't shut up I posted about this again on the board and different GBI agent contacted relative. I think this GBI agent met relative in person and explained to relative that the lady had been tracked down but was not a credible witness. Relative could not believe how the lady she met would not be considered a credible witness because she was an intelligent lady and seemed very credible to relative. Relative asked questions about the witness the GBI located that was not credible and it was not the same lady relative had spoke with and relative told the GBI it was the wrong lady. The GBI never contacted relative again after this sooooo if the GBI got the right lady after this I do not know. I had thought about talking to this lady and even went to her house one time but she was not home. After thinking about this I decided not to contact the lady again because I know the GBI and I know they would and could slap a tampering with a witness against me. This story will be given to Chief Hancock next week. I had put it on the shelf until reading all the post recently posted. I have no link but the happenings are just like I posted. We can name at least one agent and probably all GBI agents. Robert Preston can verify some of this and Dr. G can verify this (if he will) along with relative and myself and the lady. The GBI found a wrong witness (100% sure of this) read the board and went back but have never verified with relative they even looked or got the right witness the second go around. Pitiful. IJM

[Its just me]

.

I have always posted as concernedperson. Here, there and everywhere. I understand that there are nicswitchers from time to time.

Some are seekeroftruth to readmylips, some are fep to itsjustme. Not saying there is anything wrong with changing your nic but it happens. As to wit these respected posters.

So, when you say nicswitchers consider all. There is no one that is immune to a situation.We are all real people with real life experiences that are shared in some way, shape or form. Either an opinion or an observation or a real life experience...we tend to share.

I would like for anyone interested to read back on this thread to the beginning. There are many interesting posts before hostility took the impetous.

This is an open case and there are no arrests. And, there is also no Tara. The hope is that someone will finally come forward but that is unlikely and even if the piece could be picked up it is more than likely not going to be shared.Someone is better than us about not sharing.....that is the perp.

CP it was established months ago that Fep was here first and was banned. After many months and continuing only to read here I rejoined as IJM. These are the only two nics I have ever used and you know me well enough to know this to be true. Also I have posted my real name here on ctv when Dr. G accused me of being at the bbq and during another flair up involving my family. I have nothing to HIDE.... Nothing.

You are pissed with me and many others because you did not get your selfish way on the TT board. Remember revenge to not belong to us....it belongs to God. (Biblical teaching) I do not feel I have mistreated you in any way only the opposite. But in case I am wrong God will take care of my wrong doings so you would server yourself well to get over your madness and move forward.
You are also smart enough to know what we call a nicswitcher. It is one person coming to ctv getting banned for misconduct and reappearing using a different nic time and time and time again with their same ole mess and it may be possible to post at the same time using more than one nic. I don't know enough about how the system works to know this.
I thought a lot of you at one time and highly respected you but this post is showing your true colors and it's not a pretty sight to me. I still have much compassion for you and your daugher but the respect is going down hill and it is yet another sad day. From now on I am asking you to keep my name out of your post because it is clear what you feel for me and I have enough to deal with with out getting stabbed in the back. fep, IJM and Faye Evans Paulk

[Its just me]

Back to the truck -

snip: a witness told police that she spotted the truck parked outside Tara's house about 5 a.m. on Sunday morning, Oct. 23.. m/news/original/0306/1401_tara_grinstead_tensions_mount2.html[/url]



It has been posted that this was Monday morning and in my mind I had always though it was Sunday morning. Maybe this is why but I have discussed this with people from Ocilla so I can't say if it was this article or the people I spoke with that put the Sunday in my mind.
What I do know is a lady and a man saw a dark truck in Tara's yard either Monday or Sunday...Sunday if AG has the facts straight. This truck can NOT BE DESCRIBED AS ANY MAKE OR MODEL only dark in color. I also know the lady was questioned by DR. G and Dr. G got very agitated because the lady would not describe the truck as a Ford. Since the witness can only id the truck as being dark this can only be the similarity to the truck seen my the other witness on the plot of land. The both were dark in color to be similar according to the witness who only states she saw a dark truck in Tara's yard. MH has a dark truck and I can see where this could very well be MH's truck on the plot of land near his home. I can see where this sighting would mean nothing unless the truck at Tara's could be described as MH truck and that was not the case with the witness. Only could id as dark in color. BTW I cannot rule in or out that truck at Tara’s belonged to MH or HD or anyone for that matter..
The black truck spotted near Tara's by a teenager and stated in the report that the driver of the truck used bad language to the teenager was evidence that came for Dr. G and AG. It was reported that they were having a hard time tracing the teenager down because he was in Ocilla visiting. The last Dr and AG reported they were not sure the young person would be allowed to speak out. If Dr. G or anyone reported anything else I missed it. This truck was reported seen around 10:00 pm Saturday night. If I am remembering correctly this truck was not a new model but a few years old and could have been described having fancy wheel covers.

[groucho]

If these trucks were spotted sat. night, sunday morning and again monday morning, chances are the truck was in and around Tara's all weekend but why? Were they waiting on her to come home? Were they in the house cleaning up? I also thought about what I asked last night and didn't want to quote myself, but with all the people going in and out of her house that monday morning before le got there, somebody would have noticed if there were evidence of an obvious struggle, example: blood spots. And the fact that HD beat everybody else to OPD. hmmm I wonder how or what he told his wife about being gone the amount of time it appears he was not at home.

[Its just me]

Or is it a Chevy? Dixinites, where are you?

One2 My husband said it looks like a ford to him. He also pointed out that the back part is different than a regular truck. Most truck the side is straight. I can't describe this with out a picture but maybe a stepside in a name used. Notice in the picture where Greta was following MH how the sides kind of curve out over the back tires. Not the most popular body style which would be very important in describing a truck. Open for a disagreement because at this point I am pointing this out only as a possibility.

[groucho]

One2 My husband said it looks like a ford to him. He also pointed out that the back part is different than a regular truck. Most truck the side is straight. I can't describe this with out a picture but maybe a stepside in a name used. Notice in the picture where Greta was following MH how the sides kind of curve out over the back tires. Not the most popular body style which would be very important in describing a truck. Open for a disagreement because at this point I am pointing this out only as a possibility.
From looking at those pictures and constantly watching for a truck that looks like it, I think you are right it is a Ford, by the small blue emblem on the passenger side of the tailgate and it does look like a step side from the back. I can't make out the emblem or decal on the driver side but it looks like F-150 or something like that too.

[Its just me]

If these trucks were spotted sat. night, sunday morning and again monday morning, chances are the truck was in and around Tara's all weekend but why? Were they waiting on her to come home? Were they in the house cleaning up? I also thought about what I asked last night and didn't want to quote myself, but with all the people going in and out of her house that monday morning before le got there, somebody would have noticed if there were evidence of an obvious struggle, example: blood spots. And the fact that HD beat everybody else to OPD. hmmm I wonder how or what he told his wife about being gone the amount of time it appears he was not at home.

groucho, there may have been a truck spotted Sunday and Monday am but I personally think that a truck was spotted one time and it was either Sunday am or Monday am. As always I can be wrong. Each time the truck has been mentioned being spotted early am it appears to have been spotted by the close neighbor (lady) I think we don't have the exact day nailed down.

[Its just me]

From looking at those pictures and constantly watching for a truck that looks like it, I think you are right it is a Ford, by the small blue emblem on the passenger side of the tailgate and it does look like a step side from the back. I can't make out the emblem or decal on the driver side but it looks like F-150 or something like that too.

Usually if not always a chevy will have the chevrolet emblem on the tailgate and I know some are in the center of the tailgate and I dont see anything that looks like the chev emblem in the picture.

a step side could make a difference in the style but we have a 2003 chev truck and my son had a 2005 chev truck and the tail lights do come close to matching the ones in the picture.

[groucho]

Usually if not always a chevy will have the chevrolet emblem on the tailgate and I know some are in the center of the tailgate and I dont see anything that looks like the chev emblem in the picture. I know this is crazy but my 3 year old grandson can tell the difference in fords and chevys and I showed him the picture and he said "That's a Ford." And pointed at the blue spot on the tailgate. He don't know his colors but he knows his cars. A little humor this Sunday morning. LOL

[Its just me]

I know this is crazy but my 3 year old grandson can tell the difference in fords and chevys and I showed him the picture and he said "That's a Ford." And pointed at the blue spot on the tailgate. He don't know his colors but he knows his cars. A little humor this Sunday morning. LOL

It's amazing what little kids know. The grandchildren especially. I think your grandson is right and its a ford. Another reason I think it is a ford is Dr. G tried his best to get the lady who say the dark truck in Tara's yard to say it was a ford but she didn't because she didn't know if it was a ford. IMO Dr. G had his eyes only on MH when he first came to Ocilla. I hope he has a wider vision now if he continues to work this case.

[groucho]

It's amazing what little kids know. The grandchildren especially. I think your grandson is right and its a ford. Another reason I think it is a ford is Dr. G tried his best to get the lady who say the dark truck in Tara's yard to say it was a ford but she didn't because she didn't know if it was a ford. We know who Dr. G. was after when he first came to Ocilla. MH in my opionion. I was just trying to figure out how it could go from Dr G wanting it to be a ford and not chevy but now we think we know it was a ford indeed. How did it changed? But with this case nothing is the same from day 1.

[odette]

There is quite a lot of information, regarding the truck/s seen at Tara's on the weekend she disappeared, at this thread.

Thread: Time Line Issues: Revisited

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=278295

[Its just me]

There is quite a lot of information, regarding the truck/s seen at Tara's on the weekend she disappeared, at this thread.

Thread: Time Line Issues: Revisited

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=278295


odette I have been reading on the link you posted and found the following post by ancient relic. A very good question about when HD stopped calling Tara or if he called after 12:15 am. It has never been mentioned by anyone to my knowledge if HD did call after the call at 12:15 am Monday morning.

#50 10-06-2006, 04:36 PM
ancient relic
Member Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 12

No need to focus on popcorn or Dr. Godwin IMO, let's keep the thread on topic about Tara.

Does anyone know if Heath ****s stopped calling Tara's home # or cell # after his visit at 12:15 am on Monday? That might be very telling of what he thought was going on or what he knew? I also think he might have come back that morning, FWIW

[Results]

I can't let this post get buried. There are many that think it took more than one person to handle this crime. Persons with knowledge of Police methods. In the early days the focus was on MH and SF being a duo who had access and skills. What if that duo was HD and DT? Just for speculation sake, as I don't have any facts to move this thought beyond an opinion AT THIS TIME.

Wonder if DT has an alibi? Since this was just a missing person case at the time why so much drama about the evidence taking into custody. The evidence would prove innocent or guilt. So I have to wonder why not take ALL THE EVIDENCE. The sheets, the clothes last worn and now they have the computer and cellphones. That concerns me now for sure. Something is starting to stink real bad. JMHO

[odette]

Wonder if DT has an alibi? Since this was just a missing person case at the time why so much drama about the evidence taking into custody. The evidence would prove innocent or guilt. So I have to wonder why not take ALL THE EVIDENCE. The sheets, the clothes last worn and now they have the computer and cellphones. That concerns me now for sure. Something is starting to stink real bad. JMHO

Exactly .. WHY would they take the computers and LEAVE all of the clothes that Tara was wearing that night, plus the bed linen/sheets ect. What was so important about the computers. There was no evidence of "foul play" at Tara's house, or so we have been led to believe, so WHY remove the computers?. She was after all, only a missing person at that time.

JMHO

[groucho]

Exactly .. WHY would they take the computers and LEAVE all of the clothes that Tara was wearing that night, plus the bed linen/sheets ect. What was so important about the computers. There was no evidence of "foul play" at Tara's house, or so we have been led to believe, so WHY remove the computers?. She was after all, only a missing person at that time.

JMHO Thanks for the truck link...and also I never understood why they "literally" took the phones, not just the phone records as I would think would be all they needed. Why the phones themselves?

[groucho]

I am wondering was her cell phone a camera phone? Could have more pictures on it.

[Lindsey]

Exactly .. WHY would they take the computers and LEAVE all of the clothes that Tara was wearing that night, plus the bed linen/sheets ect. What was so important about the computers. There was no evidence of "foul play" at Tara's house, or so we have been led to believe, so WHY remove the computers?. She was after all, only a missing person at that time.

JMHO

Hello odette. I think it makes sense to take the computers if she was only a missing person at that point. The computers could have held information that would tell them where she was or who she was with.

The clothes and linens wouldn't have given them that information so if no foul play was suspected at that point, no reason to take the clothes, IMO. I don't know why they didn't take them later tho. Maybe too many people had handled the clothing by then? I don't know.

[Results]

I am wondering was her cell phone a camera phone? Could have more pictures on it.

Good thinking. Maybe someone can find out what type of phone she had.

[Lindsey]

Thanks for the truck link...and also I never understood why they "literally" took the phones, not just the phone records as I would think would be all they needed. Why the phones themselves?


IIRC, Tara's phone had a built in answering machine so that's why I think they took the actual phone from her house instead of just the phone records. I don't think there would have been any records of local calls except from her Caller ID.

Also, she had Caller ID on her cell phone so that was another reason to take them, IMO. Both phones would probably have lists of calls she had made to other people in addition to calls she received. It depends on the style of phones she had.

[Results]

DNA could of PROVED who she had been with if they were looking for who she had been with. Hard to dispute DNA. Sheets IMO should have been taken. JMHO

[Lindsey]

I am wondering was her cell phone a camera phone? Could have more pictures on it.

Good point. I'll check and see if I have that info. I know I discussed her cell phone long ago with someone who had actually seen and held it. I'll see what I can find and get back with you.

[Its just me]

There is quite a lot of information, regarding the truck/s seen at Tara's on the weekend she disappeared, at this thread.

Thread: Time Line Issues: Revisited

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=278295

Wonder if DT has an alibi? Since this was just a missing person case at the time why so much drama about the evidence taking into custody. The evidence would prove innocent or guilt. So I have to wonder why not take ALL THE EVIDENCE. The sheets, the clothes last worn and now they have the computer and cellphones. That concerns me now for sure. Something is starting to stink real bad. JMHO

I have personally witnessed the kind of games the GBI can play but if I knew nothing about them this would stink to me also. I will never understand the clothes and the linens but most of all the car. Remember BWD explaining how there would have been evidence maybe of the distance of the last 3 trips of the car but by cranking the car and going to the car wash and cranking the car again and bring it back to Tara's the last two trips made by Tara was instantly lost. Surely the an investigating officer knew this. They left the car which allowed it to get washed and months later they come and took control of the car. Sorry but it sounds like something in the funny paper. They left the house unsecured but came back later to search for evidence. (They were there two weeks later when the necklace came into play) I am a Georgia Tax payer and I know the GBI s*** is a waste of our tax payers money. I don't know what their track record is in other area's but I certainly do in Coffee County and one of the guys working Tara's case came directly from Coffee County. It's past time the people of Irwin County take a stand and dismiss this bunch and I will not continue with the adjective I so badly want to post. Do I know thing are mishandled in Tara's case, not 100% but it is stinking.

[groucho]

Her computer may have had some pictures they didn't want out too. I use webshots to host pictures of family as background and screensavers. If the computer was on but in screensaver mode they could have seen pictures to that effect. I also store pictures in "My Documents" or "My Pictures" Just a thought.

[Results]

I have personally witnessed the kind of games the GBI can play but if I knew nothing about them this would stink to me also. I will never understand the clothes and the linens but most of all the car. Remember BWD explaining how there would have been evidence maybe of the distance of the last 3 trips of the car but by cranking the car and going to the car wash and cranking the car again and bring it back to Tara's the last two trips made by Tara was instantly lost. Surely the an investigating officer knew this. They left the car which allowed it to get washed and months later they come and took control of the car. Sorry but it sounds like something in the funny paper. They left the house unsecured but came back later to search for evidence. (They were there two weeks later when the necklace came into play) I am a Georgia Tax payer and I know the GBI s*** is a waste of our tax payers money. I don't know what their track record is in other area's but I certainly do in Coffee County and one of the guys working Tara's case came directly from Coffee County. It's past time the people of Irwin County take a stand and dismiss this bunch and I will not continue with the adjective I so badly want to post. Do I know thing are mishandled in Tara's case, not 100% but it is stinking.

Yes I do remember BFD saying that the trip to the carwash erased the evidence of what could have been obtained from the car. The family of Tara were going to have it luminoled because the GBI wouldn't, IIRC. I don't know what is going on with the GBI but at this time it would be a wise decision to step down but even if they do that what was lost can't get it back. That is what makes me so mad. There are too many stories of who wanted the car washed. The only thing we know is that Mr. P took the car to the carwash. It is time for BG to take rein and get something done. He will have many supporters to get to the truth. It is past time to move this case forward. JMHO

[goldylocks]

Her computer may have had some pictures they didn't want out too. I use webshots to host pictures of family as background and screensavers. If the computer was on but in screensaver mode they could have seen pictures to that effect. I also store pictures in "My Documents" or "My Pictures" Just a thought.Groucho I agree with you on the computer a lot of info can be found in the places you pointed out.

[Lindsey]

Good point. I'll check and see if I have that info. I know I discussed her cell phone long ago with someone who had actually seen and held it. I'll see what I can find and get back with you.

Bumping my own post to add I found nothing that said if it was a camera phone or not. Only that it was new and had GPS. If I find additional info, I'll post it here.

[fsbiii]

IJM won't mind me answering here: No. I haven't a link to prove it, but I just saw the question sitting here all afternoon and had to reply.

:hat:

Are you that FP?

[jond]

For the PM, negative, always been Jond, and don't have no old buddies I can think of, LOL though sometimes wish I had, old or new.

[Its just me]

IJM, you were so kind to say your name on the board and that is to be respected. Because you mention speaking to people in Ocilla and seem to be local (which I'm not)and you are willing to straightforward and open with us here, may I ask you a question?
I don't want to rely on anyone else's word if you are willing to help answer this for me.

There was/is a sweet picture of Tara w/ a friend on a photo gallery and they look dressed up, smiling. The name of the friend with her is FP and I was told this lady was a co-worker and friend of Tara's at ICHS. Are you that FP?


FSB Thank you for answering this for me. Kath I am local but also kind of an outsider to Irwin County as far as knowing a lot of people. There are several FP's in Irwin County and I am not the one in the picture with Tara. I never had the pleasure of meeting Tara. So many FP's until I always use my last name as my middle name in all business transactions and Dr. appointments to keep me seperated. It can get confussing at times.

[Brainstorm]

Do we have to start identifying ourselves to someone now? what is going on?
JMHO

[Its just me]

Do we have to start identifying ourselves to someone now? what is going on?
JMHO

Nope Brainstrom, CP started this mess when she was accusing IJM of being a nicswitcher and IJM just decided to lay the cards on the table. I really can understand Kath wanting to know and absolutely no problem with Kath asking the question. Actually I'm glad it was asked so the record could be set straight. Just stay Brainstrom. :)

[concernedperson]

Nope Brainstrom, CP started this mess when she was accusing IJM of being a nicswitcher and IJM just decided to lay the cards on the table. I really can understand Kath wanting to know and absolutely no problem with Kath asking the question. Actually I'm glad it was asked so the record could be set straight. Just stay Brainstrom. :)

You did say you were fep and was banned and then changed your name to IJM. Nothing more nothing less. That is a definition of a nicswitcher unless you have a different definition. I also said you were a respected poster.

The reason it was mentioned is because everytime a new poster comes on board some accuse them of being a nicswitcher. Basically I was pointing out that there could be a reason and to at least listen. Some of the new posters have thoughts that should be heard. We have also lost other good posters, Babes, NancyfromNC, Tuscan Dreams, to name a few and we can't afford to lose other good posters. Someone's new thought or action could help bring Tara home.

[Its just me]

You did say you were fep and was banned and then changed your name to IJM. Nothing more nothing less. That is a definition of a nicswitcher unless you have a different definition. I also said you were a respected poster.

The reason it was mentioned is because everytime a new poster comes on board some accuse them of being a nicswitcher. Basically I was pointing out that there could be a reason and to at least listen. Some of the new posters have thoughts that should be heard. We have also lost other good posters, Babes, NancyfromNC, Tuscan Dreams, to name a few and we can't afford to lose other good posters. Someone's new thought or action could help bring Tara home.

CP I acknowledge your explaination but it means nothing to me. You may fool some but not me. Carry on but do so with out IJM or Fep. No reply wanted.

[Its just me]

Thanks IJM. I'm glad you didn't take offense to my asking because it is confusing with all the initials and so forth.

I really didn't know there were 2 different FP's until today, so thanks again for the kind reply. :seeya:

For the record, it's not F E P that worked with Tara and lived in same neighborhood. I was told that would be F H P.

Not familiar with who the other FP's are only that there are more than me. These FP's is difficult to say the least. I personally know a FHP in Coffee County but she works in the medical field.

Glad I could be of help. :seeya:

[dixinites]

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...


"Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

Sorry to disagree with this statement, but a Chevy and a Ford have similar body styles, especially late models...they may be two distinct models, but they could be mistaken for each other at night by a young, excited teenager.
JMO.

[dixinites]

Since we're still exploring any and all POI's what make/model was MH's truck? I can't tell from this picture but it looks like it says F150. :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:10,00.html


This truck is definitely a FORD...note the "blue oval" shaped emblem on the back...the Ford logo.

It's a Ford "Flareside"...Chevy's have a similar model (called a "Stepside", I think.)

[One2Snoop]

This truck is definitely a FORD...note the "blue oval" shaped emblem on the back...the Ford logo.

Thank you. :seeya:

[dixinites]

I was just trying to figure out how it could go from Dr G wanting it to be a ford and not chevy but now we think we know it was a ford indeed. How did it changed? But with this case nothing is the same from day 1.

The irony here, I think, is that BOTH MH and HD drive dark colored Fords...lol.

[dixinites]

Thank you. :seeya:

You're welcome...sorry I had dozed off, lol!

[Lindsey]

Thanks IJM. I'm glad you didn't take offense to my asking because it is confusing with all the initials and so forth.

I really didn't know there were 2 different FP's until today, so thanks again for the kind reply. :seeya:

For the record, it's not F E P that worked with Tara and lived in same neighborhood. I was told that would be F H P.

I know there is a FP that worked with Tara but are you sure they lived in the same neighborhood? TIA

[One2Snoop]

I know there is a FP that worked with Tara but are you sure they lived in the same neighborhood? TIA

I think she's confused and means KVickers (who lived in Tara's neighborhood IIRC) - not sure but I don't think KV and Tara were friends.

[Its just me]

The irony here, I think, is that BOTH MH and HD drive dark colored Fords...lol.

The truck seen by the visiting teen was identified as a chevy. The truck the neighbor saw early am has not been identified as any make. Dr. G was guesting the neighbor and got iriritated somewhat that the neighbor would not say the truck she saw was a ford. She described the truck as Only dark in color. At the time Dr. G questioned the neighbor he was hot after MH. Still wonder where Doc is.

[One2Snoop]

and a witness to a black chevy truck after her disappearance that had a suspicious nature. that's 5 witnesses to speak to the sightings of this black truck/dark vehicle in tara's yard, or in the vicinity of tara's home that are suspicious considering the circumstances of this case.

And no one got the license plate number?????? If witness # 5 thought the truck was suspicious and felt uncomfortable why didn't he/she get the license plate number, I wonder? :shrug:

[Its just me]

I think it is possible that the chevy truck seen by the visiting teen was not a new model truck. The information on this truck came from AG and possibly Dr. G. Are there any statements by any LE about this sighting.

I believe the witness who saw the black truck several months after Tara disappeared while riding in Tara's neighborhood described it as a new model truck.

[One2Snoop]

I think it is possible that the chevy truck seen by the visiting teen was not a new model truck. The information on this truck came from AG and possibly Dr. G. Are there any statements by any LE about this sighting.

I believe the witness who saw the black truck several months after Tara disappeared while riding in Tara's neighborhood described it as a new model truck.


Thanks IJM - this article states the teen saw a 1990's model truck....

The witness lived out of town and visited Grinstead’s neighbors on Oct. 23, Gattis said. She said that between 8 and 10 that night, he spotted a man parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck. He described a man in his late 20s or early 30s.
She said the witness spoke to the man in the truck.

“He made a verbal contact with him,” said Gattis. “The witness said they were very hostile words.”

She said that there have been leads in tracking down the black truck driven by the suspicious man.

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_108222546.html?keyword=topstory

[Its just me]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/27/ng.01.html






__________________


i have to also recall that a lady also reported to someone here seeing Tara getting OUT OF A BLACK CHEVROLET TRUCK at the pageant on Saturday night in Fitzgerald, so here is another account with reference to a black truck. i also recall it being posted here about someone who saw a black chevy truck in tara's neighborhood a couple of months after she had disappeared and thought the truck they saw may have been someone in law enforcement but they got a strange vibe about the truck because of the way it seemed to be checking that person out? the description; big black chevy truck, heavily tinted windows.

so, we've allegedly got the profanity witness, the neighbor witness going to convenience store on Monday morning, another witness who could place a black chevy truck at Tara's at some other point, a witness seeing her get out of a black chevy truck at pageant in Fitzgerald on Saturday night, and a witness to a black chevy truck after her disappearance that had a suspicious nature. that's 5 witnesses to speak to the sightings of this black truck/dark vehicle in tara's yard, or in the vicinity of tara's home that are suspicious considering the circumstances of this case.

I feel exactly as Nancy Grace does; if the owner of the black chevrolet truck that went to Tara's home at several different times has NOT come forward to just clear up their presence at her home, we all need to be asking WHY NOT????????????? and who is the owner of this vehicle?

i'm sure the neighbors in that area would be familiar with any vehicle that fits the description of this truck seen in that area and imo, i'm sure they did the right thing and made others aware of what they saw.

The truck at the pageant was not described as a chevy. Only a black truck.

[One2Snoop]

I think it is possible that the chevy truck seen by the visiting teen was not a new model truck. The information on this truck came from AG and possibly Dr. G. Are there any statements by any LE about this sighting.
I believe the witness who saw the black truck several months after Tara disappeared while riding in Tara's neighborhood described it as a new model truck.

Last April hopes were raised in solving the Ocilla teacher’s disappearance when a newly discovered witness surfaced in the case. The man, who was visiting Grinstead’s neighbor the night following her disappearance, said he saw a man aged 20 to 30 parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck. The witness, who was interviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, was located by Maurice Godwin, a private forensic investigator.

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_293232604.html/resources_printstory

[One2Snoop]

No, I'm not confused at all about what was told to me.


If this is not the FP that lives(d) in same area near Tara's,
I'll be the first one to ask that it be straightened out by anyone who can, please.

ok - if you say so. Let us know what you find out.

[Lindsey]

I only know what was told to me but as I said before, i'm open for correction.
Apparently, FP is common name, so if FGP and FHP are 2 separate people, I'd like to know that myself.

2 separate people. You know how to look it up if you don't take my word for it.

[odette]

The truck at the pageant was not described as a chevy. Only a black truck.

Thank you IJM for clarifying that. I noticed that the "black truck", seen at the pageant, had suddenly been turned into a "black Chevy" by kathmandu. :rolleyes:

JMHO

[groucho]

I originally posted this:
Regarding MHu's arrival at Tara's home on the Monday morning Tara was reported missing, this is a quote from her about what she saw in Tara's bedroom:

MHu: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.



But MHu says she saw these things..
Fsbiii, if MHu saw "things packed--stacked up on her--next to her bed" and you do NOT see these "things" in the photos you are viewing, then the next logical question is this:

Whether or not they WERE taken by LE, WHEN were the photos taken? (hours into the reported disappearance? days? weeks? WHEN?)

If these photos were taken the same day by LE, then I'd like to know exactly what THINGS MHu saw packed/stacked on/beside Tara's bed and why those "things" were moved before LE could begin their investigation into what happened to Tara and take official photos of her home, specifically the bedroom that MHu says she saw these "things."

If moved before LE photos could be taken, who moved these "things" and WHY? --end original post


fsbiii, can you please tell me when the photos were taken that you were viewing? I think it's important to know if they were taken same day, hours later, days later, or weeks after Monday, October 24, 2005 in order to determine why those photos you are viewing do not back up what MHu said she saw? They were taken between Nov. 6th and November 8th 2005. They were taken by the Greta crew when they were in Ocilla doing an interview and story.

[mooloo]

FGP and FHP are two separate people. FGP lives in the county, FHP lives in town, but not in Tara's "neighborhood."


I only know what was told to me but as I said before, i'm open for correction.
Apparently, FP is common name, so if FGP and FHP are 2 separate people, I'd like to know that myself.

[groucho]

fsbiii, I am sorry for answering for you, I am nowhere near as good as you are at this but I knew where the pics are listed. :rose:

[fsbiii]

My point in answering your post was the word BOXES was never uttered by Maria Hulett concerning things being packed/stacked by Tara's bed. End of story. DROP THE FONT ATTACK, PLEASE. It is so tiresome and unnecessary!!! And don't twist my words into your agenda about what was seen and not seen. I have no idea what Maria Hulett saw, nor when those pics were taken. NO BOXES, NO BOXES. That's ALL we were pointing out to you.

I originally posted this:
Regarding MHu's arrival at Tara's home on the Monday morning Tara was reported missing, this is a quote from her about what she saw in Tara's bedroom:

MHu: The bedroom, she had -- there were clothes on the floor, jewelry on the floor. Her shoes were on the floor. And they were really nice shoes, and she`s very peculiar about her clothes, her clothing and shoes. They were on the floor. There were things packed -- stacked up on her -- next to her bed. Her bed had been slept in, it looked like to me. You know, her pillows were arranged like she sleeps. I immediately thought that she had been in the bed at some point. You know, she had been there at night. I knew that the last time that anybody had talked to her was Saturday night.



But MHu says she saw these things..
Fsbiii, if MHu saw "things packed--stacked up on her--next to her bed" and you do NOT see these "things" in the photos you are viewing, then the next logical question is this:

Whether or not they WERE taken by LE, WHEN were the photos taken? (hours into the reported disappearance? days? weeks? WHEN?)

If these photos were taken the same day by LE, then I'd like to know exactly what THINGS MHu saw packed/stacked on/beside Tara's bed and why those "things" were moved before LE could begin their investigation into what happened to Tara and take official photos of her home, specifically the bedroom that MHu says she saw these "things."

If moved before LE photos could be taken, who moved these "things" and WHY? --end original post


fsbiii, can you please tell me when the photos were taken that you were viewing? I think it's important to know if they were taken same day, hours later, days later, or weeks after Monday, October 24, 2005 in order to determine why those photos you are viewing do not back up what MHu said she saw?

[Its just me]

Last April hopes were raised in solving the Ocilla teacher’s disappearance when a newly discovered witness surfaced in the case. The man, who was visiting Grinstead’s neighbor the night following her disappearance, said he saw a man aged 20 to 30 parked in Grinstead’s yard in a black 1990s-model Chevrolet truck. The witness, who was interviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, was located by Maurice Godwin, a private forensic investigator.

http://www.tiftongazette.com/homepage/local_story_293232604.html/resources_printstory


Thank you One2. I appreciate you. IJM

[Its just me]

They were taken between Nov. 6th and November 8th 2005. They were taken by the Greta crew when they were in Ocilla doing an interview and story.

Thanks Groucho. There have been NO photos released by the LE to my knowledge. For anyone to get what MHu saw they would need to get the LE pictures or pictures AG may have because I think their investigation began shortly after the GBI left. I think there is a public statement from LG that he was going through the trash looking for clues. I think MHu could have stated packed and changed it to stacked but who knows except MHu. I agree with fsb that there has never been any mention of a box to my knowledge. I also believe the house was changed simply for the tv show and this was pointed out months and months ago on TT by comparing different shots of the table next to the bed. I serious doubt there will be any clue found in the pictures taken by the newsmedia. They just show how the house looked when they were there and lets dont forget the house was left unsealed. MHOO IJM

[readmylips]

I only know what was told to me but as I said before, i'm open for correction.
Apparently, FP is common name, so if FGP and FHP are 2 separate people, I'd like to know that myself.

is there some relative point you want to make by bringing up tara's friend fp? just wondering. if it is relative to something then i am happy to help look in to it further but if not there's no sense in even discussing yet another innocent bystander. imo

[odette]

I can't let this post get buried. There are many that think it took more than one person to handle this crime. Persons with knowledge of Police methods. In the early days the focus was on MH and SF being a duo who had access and skills. What if that duo was HD and DT? Just for speculation sake, as I don't have any facts to move this thought beyond an opinion AT THIS TIME.

"What if that duo was HD and DT?"

The Investigators need to be asking DT, exactly when did he learn of Tara's disappearance. Did he first hear about it from HD?

JMHO

[odette]

Does anyone know if GBI Agent DT is still connected, in any way shape or form, to the Tara Grinstead Investigative Team?. Does he have access to any of the files in this case? I notice that on the GBI website that DT is listed as one of the contacts on the Missing Persons page for Tara Grinstead.

http://www.state.ga.us/gbi/missing/taragrinstead.html

JMHO

[Results]

Does anyone know if GBI Agent DT is still connected, in any way shape or form, to the Tara Grinstead Investigative Team?. Does he have access to any of the files in this case? I notice that on the GBI website that DT is listed as one of the contacts on the Missing Persons page for Tara Grinstead.

http://www.state.ga.us/gbi/missing/taragrinstead.html

JMHO

I went to go see what it would bring up with his name. I went to ask.com and I entered GBI Agent Dominic Turner it gave me a list of websites for missing in GA Tara Grinstead and on all those sites Dominic Turner is listed with any information regarding this case. I guess he is the contact and also Det Bill Barrs is listed as well.

[odette]

Results has posted about 5 new informative posts tonight, yet all I see is interruptions to them that are bantering about personal BS.

STOP IT ALREADY.

I want to thank Results for digging up this information, for laying it out in a fashion that makes for interesting conversation/speculation that is ABOUT THIS CASE DIRECTLY. If you ignore the posts in between you can read
information gathered from just one web sleuther about whether or not HD's place in this picture is more than was thought in Oct 2005 and if it was being disregarded due to personal bias on the part of an investigator friend early on.

This is the point of the board. To discuss what's uncovered. Every stone.

Where is that camera?
What does the film show?
Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!
What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."
HD's visit with a friend on River road he rarely connects with at of all times, THAT weekend..
Snippets of his activities gradually leaked out over the past two years instead of freely offered up front and immediately...

These are serious dots that are not connected completely. They have to be investigated by someone with no connection to HD or any of the local Georgian authorities. So much time has been wasted because of protecting one "good man's name."

Read the posts by Results again without prejudice over whether or not you like her personally and tell me she isn't trying to find out the truth.

READ THESE GBI.

"What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."

This is something which definately needs to be looked into!!.

JMHO

[Results]

You make very good points. I hope that DT is not telling HD EVERYTHING that is going on especially the leads or what is in that missing case file. I can remember back when so many people were worried about the OPD. IMVHO it seems to me they were worrying about the wrong LE Agency. As always JMHO.

[Brainstorm]

You make very good points. I hope that DT is not telling HD EVERYTHING that is going on especially the leads or what is in that missing case file. I can remember back when so many people were worried about the OPD. IMVHO it seems to me they were worrying about the wrong LE Agency. As always JMHO.

Wow!!!! I've been out,and now coming back and reading, I am seeing that
other than the usual,bs grammar or etiquette lesson of the day, that you guys are realling getting some serious talking done here.
We are going to have to take a stand,especially if David Lohr agrees to write for us......Do you realize that we've more or less taken on the GBI here?
If I could travel, I would go to Perry and be waiting on HD,when he gets off work.People ban together,and be seen publicly,there is less danger of threats to certain ones happening, IMO......I would simply ask him to help us find Tara Grinstead.....Dont worry,no weapons,or threats to him........
JUST ASK FOR HIS HELP
JMHO
and dont worry, I cant travel,lol,so HD is saFE........
AT THIS TIME,ANYWAY

[One2Snoop]

No problem.
I've got it.

In response to your post, I have no agenda about what was seen or not seen and I did not twist a word, I quoted your words in their original form.
Even though I am crystal clear on the fact that no utterance of the word BOX is said to have taken place in the context of MHu's account of what she saw in TG's bedroom that Monday morn,I do recall at one time picturing shoe boxes in my own mind and maybe only because the expensive shoes were mentioned and of how Tara always kept them in the box? maybe that's why my brain computed it that way? sorry,no agenda though.

If you couldn't verify the date of the photos, I am confused on why mentioning the photos was relevant. Pehaps that's what made me feel you were disputing the account of what was seen.

Kathmandu - you have asked lots and lots of questions that no one seems to be able to answer for you. David Lohr has so graciously offered to contact witnesses/LE/GBI and ask questions. What I suggest is that you get all your unanswered questions together and send them to David and hopefully he'll be able to find the answers you're looking for. :patriot:

[TallaTonight]

Very good post. Makes you really wonder why some are so out to beat the dead horse.

[Atok]

I am encouraged to read Freshwater's post that questions have been looked into regarding Agents and investigators and their relations to people close to this case. Since no credible concern can be documented as fact at this time, I for one, will be happy to return to questions we have not been able to put to rest.

It is a good thing that this case still is an active interest to more than just internet posting communities. May GBI continue to read the boards so we can stay confident that oversight is being conducted as it relates to this case.

[readmylips]

hello, i'm sorry if you were confused about why I was asking; I didn't just bring up tara's friend out of the blue. IJM posted that her name was FP, which happened to be the same first and last name as a woman i recalled seeing a photo of in the Crime Library photo gallery of Tara's friends, so I wondered if it just happened to be the same FP. After reading IJM's post with her real name in it, I decided to ask. She answered. I got info from others that confused me, so I asked about it too.

i would like to know if there is indeed a FP that lives next door the home of the BBQ hosts, which is near tara's home. can you help me with that? maybe that was false info and if so, i'd appreciate if you could just correct that for me? thanks for offering your help.

tmk no there is not.

[The R]

Just a quick question here...

Has anyone that posts here ever actually spoken with Det. Barrs OPD about TG's disappearance? He did the follow up on AV's case and I bet he has some good insight......

??

ALLMO,
R

[One2Snoop]

Bumping - we had some pretty good converstions going here - can anyone answer The R's question? :shrug:

[TallaTonight]

Bumping - we had some pretty good converstions going here - can anyone answer The R's question? :shrug:

It seems much harder for there to be conversation when you can't use "sources" or "heresay". We have very few facts. As to the R's question about Barrs, I have never talked with him about this case. I did make a call to his office, asked for him, stated my business and was told he was unable to come to the phone. I have heard he is a good guy and an asset to OPD, but I have never met or talked with him. Maybe a local could make a call to him and ask him (?) to give an update? I have a feeling that after this last little call down from Freshwater, If OPD does read here, information will be percise and to the point. I think we have been taught a lesson that should have been given Long ago. All I:read: n My Own Honest Opinion.

[Brainstorm]

It seems much harder for there to be conversation when you can't use "sources" or "heresay". We have very few facts. As to the R's question about Barrs, I have never talked with him about this case. I did make a call to his office, asked for him, stated my business and was told he was unable to come to the phone. I have heard he is a good guy and an asset to OPD, but I have never met or talked with him. Maybe a local could make a call to him and ask him (?) to give an update? I have a feeling that after this last little call down from Freshwater, If OPD does read here, information will be percise and to the point. I think we have been taught a lesson that should have been given Long ago. All I:read: n My Own Honest Opinion.

I appreciate FH20s post,and am glad it happened. I took it as a good lesson.Maybe I read things different,or think things different....but the fact that it did happen shows that DT is still on the case.(I quess I'm reading that correct?)and that someone is checking things out and talking about it...
How can we ever figure anything out if we cant discuss it. Even rumors.
I realize we should be very careful, but something happened and any and every body that was around her,or around the locations she was has been talked about and really drug thru the mud, IIRC
JMHO

[TallaTonight]

I appreciate FH20s post,and am glad it happened. I took it as a good lesson.Maybe I read things different,or think things different....but the fact that it did happen shows that DT is still on the case.(I quess I'm reading that correct?)and that someone is checking things out and talking about it...
How can we ever figure anything out if we cant discuss it. Even rumors.
I realize we should be very careful, but something happened and any and every body that was around her,or around the locations she was has been talked about and really drug thru the mud, IIRC
JMHO

I too appreciate Freshwater and David. I think it was past time that posters were called down for so casually mentioning names especially of the GBI. I also think from my experiences that we need to be mindful of what we bring to the board so as not to contaminate what could be used in court if this is found to be a case that goes to trial. Remember if there is a perp he/she more than likely reads this board. We are giving them all the information they would need to find ways to cover their tracks even better. AMOHO

[Brainstorm]

I too appreciate Freshwater and David. I think it was past time that posters were called down for so casually mentioning names especially of the GBI. I also think from my experiences that we need to be mindful of what we bring to the board so as not to contaminate what could be used in court if this is found to be a case that goes to trial. Remember if there is a perp he/she more than likely reads this board. We are giving them all the information they would need to find ways to cover their tracks even better. AMOHO

I agree with your first sentence,but past that,you took my post WRONG!!!!!
I believe every single fact and rumor has been /will be and needs to be picked apart. Why stop now? Thats been going on since day one with a LOT of people,more than I or you or any ONE could name. So now,after all these months,and every POI is/has been discussed, What is wrong is talking about HD and his friends or co-workers?
I feel 100% that AV is COMPLETELY innocent to harming Tara. But there is NO LINKS, no EVIDENCE what-so-ever that I can hand you. But I think it will all come out, in the wash..........
and some good people can carry on with their lives and families and Irwin Co. can be the ideal place that I have always believed it to be.I suppose everyone feels this about the place they live,but people need to know. Not just family. The people who did nothing wrong need to know.As a mother, I need to know....
JMHO

[Atok]

Depending on who the perp is in this case, I still feel a conviction will be difficult. Please don't take this to mean a good prosecutor won't win or that I don't want a conviction because I do. I want (if someone is responsible for Tara's life being over) I want them to SUFFER and PAY.

Take into consideration that if it is one of the hot "POI's" that have been discussed on these boards, I think there has been all sorts of damaging information presented that would make a defense attorney real happy. It's been my opinion for a long time, that we may not be able to locate Tara and if and when she is found a conviction will be tough.
This also depends on what is found when she is found evidence wise. Sometimes I wish for it to be a scenario that we just haven't imagined so that the towns involved and the people dragged about are all innocent and nothing is contaminated.

I'm not sure how we could have made it less messy, as we've been left to speculation for 98% of this case.

I still wish Tara would just call or come home, but I don't believe, in my heart that she is alive.

[Brainstorm]

Depending on who the perp is in this case, I still feel a conviction will be difficult. Please don't take this to mean a good prosecutor won't win or that I don't want a conviction because I do. I want (if someone is responsible for Tara's life being over) I want them to SUFFER and PAY.

Take into consideration that if it is one of the hot "POI's" that have been discussed on these boards, I think there has been all sorts of damaging information presented that would make a defense attorney real happy. It's been my opinion for a long time, that we may not be able to locate Tara and if and when she is found a conviction will be tough.
This also depends on what is found when she is found evidence wise. Sometimes I wish for it to be a scenario that we just haven't imagined so that the towns involved and the people dragged about are all innocent and nothing is contaminated.

I'm not sure how we could have made it less messy, as we've been left to speculation for 98% of this case.

I still wish Tara would just call or come home, but I don't believe, in my heart that she is alive.

I agree with your heartfelt post......I only wish I could quote the verse about God bringing things into the light of day.....The only thing IMO that the Perp could do, IMO is make a full confession.Most of us know the relief after solving a problem,the burden off the shoulders thing.....Imagine getting that off your shoulders!!!!!
I pray that it will be more than he can handle...God will not let him get away with this,even if he fools us.We're not the ones he needs to be worried about, IMO

[Brainstorm]

I believe the people from Hawkinsville and Perry that went to Ocilla that Monday morning was the reason,pure and simple for the confusion. and IMO, confusion is what was intended.....and although it may never be proven in court, I believe it will be solved.
jmho

[Brainstorm]

Oh, sorry, I cant prove that,,,,,,,,,,can I say that?
My opinion only....

[One2Snoop]

Oh, sorry, I cant prove that,,,,,,,,,,can I say that?
My opinion only....

LOL I don't know why not - you used "My opinion only".

[One2Snoop]

I too appreciate Freshwater and David. I think it was past time that posters were called down for so casually mentioning names especially of the GBI. I also think from my experiences that we need to be mindful of what we bring to the board so as not to contaminate what could be used in court if this is found to be a case that goes to trial. Remember if there is a perp he/she more than likely reads this board. We are giving them all the information they would need to find ways to cover their tracks even better. AMOHO

Like Brainstorm, I agree with your first sentence only and the rest is hogwash. We shouldn't stop talking about this case because of FW's post yesterday. There's plenty we can discuss without using names. IMO, JMO.

[concernedperson]

I believe the people from Hawkinsville and Perry that went to Ocilla that Monday morning was the reason,pure and simple for the confusion. and IMO, confusion is what was intended.....and although it may never be proven in court, I believe it will be solved.
jmho

Since all of our info is second hand and none confirmed by LE, if I were to speculate the confusion started with the first people on the scene at Tara's house. The scene was compromised by a whole group of people. People were listening to messages, checking her clothes, touching things as they entered and as they left. No way to preserve a crime scene. GBI wasn't called at that moment in time it was later after the first group of people entered.

It was local LE that entered first after the group of people and the GBI came in the afternoon. That has been documented.

I don't believe the Gattis's went to the house until after GBI was through but I stand to be corrected.

I still would like to know who asked the neighbor, Portier, to wash the car. That is a little thing that has bugged me.

[The R]

Since all of our info is second hand and none confirmed by LE, if I were to speculate the confusion started with the first people on the scene at Tara's house. The scene was compromised by a whole group of people. People were listening to messages, checking her clothes, touching things as they entered and as they left. No way to preserve a crime scene. GBI wasn't called at that moment in time it was later after the first group of people entered.

It was local LE that entered first after the group of people and the GBI came in the afternoon. That has been documented.

I don't believe the Gattis's went to the house until after GBI was through but I stand to be corrected.

I still would like to know who asked the neighbor, Portier, to wash the car. That is a little thing that has bugged me.

I don't know who asked Mr. P to wash the car, but evidently they felt they had done enough processing? I remember reading that the car had been dusted? If that's the case I don't see how much evidence was destroyed. I mean the interior could still be luminoled...it could still be done today if desired IMO. Where is the car now, anyone know?

Another thing that is common sense to me is that IF the current POI's had relations with TG, you really wouldn't gain that much by all kinds of forensics tests. They, the POI's would've already been there, so the proving that through evidence gathering is a little less important. IMO the gathering of evidence at the house would be useful if there were unknown POI's for the most part. I'm not saying that nothing useful could be gained otherwise, but if you already know a POI has been there........well.....

ALLMO,
R

[concernedperson]

Another thing that is common sense to me is that IF the current POI's had relations with TG, you really wouldn't gain that much by all kinds of forensics tests. They, the POI's would've already been there, so the proving that through evidence gathering is a little less important. IMO the gathering of evidence at the house would be useful if there were unknown POI's for the most part. I'm not saying that nothing useful could be gained otherwise, but if you already know a POI has been there........well.....

ALLMO,
R[/QUOTE]

I guess I am trying not to be narrow in the poi situation.The publicized poi's, I agree, it was a known fact that she had relations with them. But the unpublished poi's or poi's that were thought to never have been a guest in her home....this would have been importent evidence if the story given was they had never been in her home. Evidence found could have been contrary to a statement.

But with a compromised crime scene most if not all evidence is lost to a court of law. With that said, if any evidence was found LE would have to keep it close to the vest and wait for the perp to make a mistake or for someone to give them up. Puzzle pieces yet to be assembled. Just speculating.

[scubadvr99]

*snip*

Where is the car now, anyone know?



IIRC, GBI took possession of the car long ago. I don't know if they still have it, I just remember reading it on the boards. I guess if they take possession like that, do they keep it until the case is solved????:shrug:

[fsbiii]

Keep digging, kath. :)

O/T for a sec, but i wondered if this person had ever been caught?

(FYI -March 24, 2006 Posted on the deleted thread titled:
What's up in Coffee County?)

March 24, 2006 - Coffee County -- A rapist in South Georgia is posing as a deputy sheriff. He's already raped a woman in Coffee County. He was posing as a deputy and told her he was responding to complaints in her neighborhood.

He's white, about 6 feet tall and 175 pounds with sandy blonde, close-cut hair. He was wearing an official looking deputy sheriff's uniform complete with gun belt and patches.

He has been seen driving a dark, possibly black pickup truck with a blue neon light inside the cab. Anyone with information about the deputy impersonator is urged to call law enforcers.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4677159

when i read this, i wondered if any deputy (or former deputy) in that county fits that description at all?

[One2Snoop]

O/T for a sec, but i wondered if this person had ever been caught?

(FYI -March 24, 2006 Posted on the deleted thread titled:
What's up in Coffee County?)

March 24, 2006 - Coffee County -- A rapist in South Georgia is posing as a deputy sheriff. He's already raped a woman in Coffee County. He was posing as a deputy and told her he was responding to complaints in her neighborhood.

He's white, about 6 feet tall and 175 pounds with sandy blonde, close-cut hair. He was wearing an official looking deputy sheriff's uniform complete with gun belt and patches.

He has been seen driving a dark, possibly black pickup truck with a blue neon light inside the cab. Anyone with information about the deputy impersonator is urged to call law enforcers.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4677159

when i read this, i wondered if any deputy (or former deputy) in that county fits that description at all?

I did a search and wasn't able to find anything - sorry. Maybe someone more local to Coffee County can help.

[Its just me]

O/T for a sec, but i wondered if this person had ever been caught?

(FYI -March 24, 2006 Posted on the deleted thread titled:
What's up in Coffee County?)

March 24, 2006 - Coffee County -- A rapist in South Georgia is posing as a deputy sheriff. He's already raped a woman in Coffee County. He was posing as a deputy and told her he was responding to complaints in her neighborhood.

He's white, about 6 feet tall and 175 pounds with sandy blonde, close-cut hair. He was wearing an official looking deputy sheriff's uniform complete with gun belt and patches.

He has been seen driving a dark, possibly black pickup truck with a blue neon light inside the cab. Anyone with information about the deputy impersonator is urged to call law enforcers.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4677159

when i read this, i wondered if any deputy (or former deputy) in that county fits that description at all?

Accordng to a news article in a Coffee County newspaper this was a false report by a female, the female was arrested and charged. There was also a story at the walb web page concerning the false report.

[fsbiii]

*bingo* ..... :hat:

Accordng to a news article in a Coffee County newspaper this was a false report by a female, the female was arrested and charged. There was also a story at the walb web page concerning the false report.

[The R]

*snip*





IIRC, GBI took possession of the car long ago. I don't know if they still have it, I just remember reading it on the boards. I guess if they take possession like that, do they keep it until the case is solved????:shrug:

I would think that if the GBI has the car still, that they would keep it for possible evidence. All I can figure anyway. Thanks.

ALLMO,
R