The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[Dr Lewdwig]

NO THANK YOU.....I would like to talk to him,but not there.Of course,if this happened,they wouldn not send him.,,,,,IMO.........and if they did,would he go? now?
JMHO

You may not be able to talk to HD other than tell him you were shopping and what happened. I could call HD when we were all set up. I would let him know that the same thing was happening and ask if he could come personally. If he didn't agree to it, I would hang up.

[Brainstorm]

You may not be able to talk to HD other than tell him you were shopping and what happened. I could call HD when we were all set up. I would let him know that the same thing was happening and ask if he could come personally. If he didn't agree to it, I would hang up.

IIRC some of his own words,at the time,were "bizarre" and unreal or unbelievable,so if this happened again,just imagine,what would he be thinking? He is supposedly "saved",so if this happened,would he seee it as a sign? I am not trying to be funny,Dr. but if thats why you are here, I am feeeling sad about this today and ready to do something...........so dont play
JMHO

[Its just me]

You may not be able to talk to HD other than tell him you were shopping and what happened. I could call HD when we were all set up. I would let him know that the same thing was happening and ask if he could come personally. If he didn't agree to it, I would hang up.

I am not getting involved with the game your playig with BS but have a serious question. Do you know HD well enough to call him?

[Dr Lewdwig]

IIRC some of his own words,at the time,were "bizarre" and unreal or unbelievable,so if this happened again,just imagine,what would he be thinking? He is supposedly "saved",so if this happened,would he seee it as a sign? I am not trying to be funny,Dr. but if thats why you are here, I am feeeling sad about this today and ready to do something...........so dont play
JMHO

I would hope he would see it as a sign. I'm not playing. I feel your sadness. I'm dead serious. I need to get on the phone with Dr. Godwin.

[Brainstorm]

I am not getting involved with the game your playig with BS but have a serious question. Do you know HD well enough to call him?

Thank you,IJM.......when I suggested this, I was serious also......

[Dr Lewdwig]

I am not getting involved with the game your playig with BS but have a serious question. Do you know HD well enough to call him?

I wouldn't be calling him as a friend, I would be calling to tell him Mr. Foot Fetish was back at Walmart.

[Results]

I wouldn't be calling him as a friend, I would be calling to tell him Mr. Foot Fetish was back at Walmart.

I'm not so sure about that. You seem to talk to GA politicians about the GBI and the case. Maybe you do know HD as a friend.

[Brainstorm]

I would hope he would see it as a sign. I'm not playing. I feel your sadness. I'm dead serious. I need to get on the phone with Dr. Godwin.

I dont like people who play games............if you knew whatI know and the particulars,you would know that I am serious,dead serious myself.......
THIS IS IN NO WAY AN INVITATION.........................
but someday,we all may have to get up and go search somewhere,literaly,and I have no problem with being at the OPD early,if nesessary...........and I have no patience for FAKE PLAYERS..like showed up before !!!!!!!!!!!!!
JMHO

[Its just me]

Thank you,IJM.......when I suggested this, I was serious also......

I remember your post BS and I admire you for being humble enough to do this if it could get some answers from HD and also remember at the end you stated it would probably would not be HD that took the call. Truthfully your post should have been taken as you expressing your willingness to attemp this but didn't have much hope it would work. Again I admire you for being humble enough to even think about doing this and having the foresight to know HD problably would not make the call and if Dr. L is interesting in continuing with your crafty plan I suggest he get his own actor to help him and carry on.

[Atok]

Ok, does anyone have a clue how many minor laws are being broken setting up an officer to meet you at the local walmart under false pretenses?

Goodness!

Or are you saying you will Contact Foot Fetish who will more than readily traipse down to Walmart and repeat his behavior out of compulsion and you will use this to facilitate a meeting with Captain ****s? What in the world do you need to do that for?

If you have anything of import to discuss with the Captain give him a call. He's still a public servant.

I am truly tired of this case and it's attendants being played with like it's some game. Maybe that's how you think this message board can be utilized best? I will never get it how people are this cavalier about Tara's life.

This isn't supposed to be a circus. Pardon me if this part of the thread was supposed to be humorous, but I think I broke my funny bone sometime back in October of 2005 when it came to Tara. :flamemad:

[Results]

ATOK,

In Perry you have to wear a sign that you are a liar on a busy street during the day for making out a false police report. I believe this is only for civilians though but hey what do I know? :shrug:

[Its just me]

I wouldn't be calling him as a friend, I would be calling to tell him Mr. Foot Fetish was back at Walmart.

Oh I see, I thought you would dial 911 or a call the Perry Police Department and ask for help from the officers on call. Carry on

[TallaTonight]

Ok, does anyone have a clue how many minor laws are being broken setting up an officer to meet you at the local walmart under false pretenses?

Goodness!

Or are you saying you will Contact Foot Fetish who will more than readily traipse down to Walmart and repeat his behavior out of compulsion and you will use this to facilitate a meeting with Captain ****s? What in the world do you need to do that for?

If you have anything of import to discuss with the Captain give him a call. He's still a public servant.

I am truly tired of this case and it's attendants being played with like it's some game. Maybe that's how you think this message board can be utilized best? I will never get it how people are this cavalier about Tara's life.

This isn't supposed to be a circus. Pardon me if this part of the thread was supposed to be humorous, but I think I broke my funny bone sometime back in October of 2005 when it came to Tara. :flamemad:

I have read this today and thought surely these people are not that stupid!
But if not stupid it was sick. IMO

[Brainstorm]

ATOK,

In Perry you have to wear a sign that you are a liar on a busy street during the day for making out a false police report. I believe this is only for civilians though but hey what do I know? :shrug:

Exactly,Results,that did happen,didnt it? and the bizarre incident also,so even tho we are very serious about finding Tara........there was/is some strange things going on, and we cant help it if HD is humorous...
JMHO

[Dr Lewdwig]

I'm not so sure about that. You seem to talk to GA politicians about the GBI and the case. Maybe you do know HD as a friend.

I shared the information with you in a private message thinking that private mean't private. Since you have posted that information, I will share it with the other members. I don't know HD as a friend or otherwise. i have a 1st cousin that ran for Gov. of Ga. a few years ago. About a month ago, I called him and discussed the disappearance of Tara. I asked if he knew anyone with GBI and is it possible they have some un-reported leads. He called me back in a few days and said someone with GBI told him that from a few days before and during part of the weekend TG disappeared, there were some phone calls made to and from the vicinity of TG's house. These phone calls were made on prepaid cellphones. They determined where both phones were located during the calls. There was no record of who owned these phones.

I knew there were snakes in this forum, but I didn't suspect "RESULTS"
If I happen to see you at the Williamsville Groc, or anywhere else, I'll tell you the same thing.

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.

[fsbiii]

I think I'm lost, and that's not a bad thing.

[Its just me]

I shared the information with you in a private message thinking that private mean't private. Since you have posted that information, I will share it with the other members. I don't know HD as a friend or otherwise. i have a 1st cousin that ran for Gov. of Ga. a few years ago. About a month ago, I called him and discussed the disappearance of Tara. I asked if he knew anyone with GBI and is it possible they have some un-reported leads. He called me back in a few days and said someone with GBI told him that from a few days before and during part of the weekend TG disappeared, there were some phone calls made to and from the vicinity of TG's house. These phone calls were made on prepaid cellphones. They determined where both phones were located during the calls. There was no record of who owned these phones.

I knew there were snakes in this forum, but I didn't suspect "RESULTS"
If I happen to see you at the Williamsville Groc, or anywhere else, I'll tell you the same thing.

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.

Talking about snakes, don't know who your cousin is but there have been a few snakes that ran for Gov.of Georgia. and the story continues. Some snakes will bite the tar out of you if you walk over them.

[Its just me]

I shared the information with you in a private message thinking that private mean't private. Since you have posted that information, I will share it with the other members. I don't know HD as a friend or otherwise. i have a 1st cousin that ran for Gov. of Ga. a few years ago. About a month ago, I called him and discussed the disappearance of Tara. I asked if he knew anyone with GBI and is it possible they have some un-reported leads. He called me back in a few days and said someone with GBI told him that from a few days before and during part of the weekend TG disappeared, there were some phone calls made to and from the vicinity of TG's house. These phone calls were made on prepaid cellphones. They determined where both phones were located during the calls. There was no record of who owned these phones.

I knew there were snakes in this forum, but I didn't suspect "RESULTS"
If I happen to see you at the Williamsville Groc, or anywhere else, I'll tell you the same thing.

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.

Another thing Doc.if you are so serious about your proposal to BS get you another actor and leave BS alone. I be waiting to see you in the newspapers and your report on what HD said. No apologys from me either. You were playing BS for a fool in the eyes of most readers. Carry on.

[Dr Lewdwig]

Talking about snakes, don't know who your cousin is but there have been a few snakes that ran for Gov.of Georgia. and the story continues. Some snakes will bite the tar out of you if you walk over them.

I agree. It pays to know your snakes.

[Its just me]

I agree. It pays to know your snakes.

I don't worry about the one's I know it's the snake in the grass that I keep my eye on.

[dixinites]

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.

Sad, but oh so true: I was a victim of "foot rape". Coinkydinkly, the attack occurred in a Walmart. A middle-aged black man in a suit approached me in the cosmetics department and said, "Ma'am, do you have something in your shoe?" I told him no, and proceeded to the next aisle. He followed me and repeated his question. I thought he was a store detective accusing me of something, so (DUH) I arrogantly slipped off my shoe (a slip-on) and showed him saying, "See! Nothing in my bleepin' shoe!" He immediately grabbed my ankle, fondled my foot and hauled butt! I was stunned for a moment, to say the least. Then I went to the store manager to report the incident. He told me I was the third person in "his" store to report such an occurance that month. A few weeks later, a local female radio personality reported the same type incident in a local grocery store.

My point? Maybe you should just camp out in the cosmetics dept at the Perry Walmart...wear slip on Keds...you could "get lucky"!

[fsbiii]

This just touches my SOLE, dixi!!! *LOL* I never knew feet were such a hot commodity...

:tongue:

Sad, but oh so true: I was a victim of "foot rape". Coinkydinkly, the attack occurred in a Walmart. A middle-aged black man in a suit approached me in the cosmetics department and said, "Ma'am, do you have something in your shoe?" I told him no, and proceeded to the next aisle. He followed me and repeated his question. I thought he was a store detective accusing me of something, so (DUH) I arrogantly slipped off my shoe (a slip-on) and showed him saying, "See! Nothing in my bleepin' shoe!" He immediately grabbed my ankle, fondled my foot and hauled butt! I was stunned for a moment, to say the least. Then I went to the store manager to report the incident. He told me I was the third person in "his" store to report such an occurance that month. A few weeks later, a local female radio personality reported the same type incident in a local grocery store.

My point? Maybe you should just camp out in the cosmetics dept at the Perry Walmart...wear slip on Keds...you could "get lucky"!

[dixinites]

This just touches my SOLE, dixi!!! *LOL* I never knew feet were such a hot commodity...

:tongue:

Neither did I, lol...and I gots some ugggly feets! My daughter, a born cynic, still gives me grief over falling for that one...but it can happen to anyone! Ladies, keep your eyes open and your shoes ON!

[concernedperson]

Sad, but oh so true: I was a victim of "foot rape". Coinkydinkly, the attack occurred in a Walmart. A middle-aged black man in a suit approached me in the cosmetics department and said, "Ma'am, do you have something in your shoe?" I told him no, and proceeded to the next aisle. He followed me and repeated his question. I thought he was a store detective accusing me of something, so (DUH) I arrogantly slipped off my shoe (a slip-on) and showed him saying, "See! Nothing in my bleepin' shoe!" He immediately grabbed my ankle, fondled my foot and hauled butt! I was stunned for a moment, to say the least. Then I went to the store manager to report the incident. He told me I was the third person in "his" store to report such an occurance that month. A few weeks later, a local female radio personality reported the same type incident in a local grocery store.

My point? Maybe you should just camp out in the cosmetics dept at the Perry Walmart...wear slip on Keds...you could "get lucky"!

I once had a "flasher' in a Walmart parking lot. I laughed at it and he slunked away. Walmart is not my fav place. LOL! Too many pervs.

[dixinites]

I once had a "flasher' in a Walmart parking lot. I laughed at it and he slunked away. Walmart is not my fav place. LOL! Too many pervs.

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! But they do seem to be drawn to Wally World for some reason...

[fsbiii]

Once had a client who got flashed in Goody's parking lot. Police were nearby, made an arrest, etc. Two days later in the local paper, the "police beat" had the incident referenced....backwards. They read the accident report wrong and listed the 68-year-old grandmother of 9 as the "flasher" and stated she was arrested for "exposing herself at Goody's." The lady didn't see the paper. At church on Sunday, she kept getting funny looks and whispers from pews all around here. She finally asked someone was something wrong, and they told her about the paper.

Needless to say, she demanded a retraction and wanted to do more. *LOL*

[The R]

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! But they do seem to be drawn to Wally World for some reason...


As in, "It's me again Ethel?"

;)


R

[hypnotized]

As in, "It's me again Ethel?"

;)


R


I thought it was "It's me again, Margaret?

:lol:

[The R]

I thought it was "It's me again, Margaret?

:lol:

Right you are......Ethel is the one that takes a fall in the cumquats?

:lol:

R

[hypnotized]

Right you are......Ethel is the one that takes a fall in the cumquats?

:lol:

R


It's been awhile...I'd have to do some research! :D I may have to dust off some albums this weekend...feeling the need to hear "The Do-Right Family!"

:beer:

[The R]

Once had a client who got flashed in Goody's parking lot. Police were nearby, made an arrest, etc. Two days later in the local paper, the "police beat" had the incident referenced....backwards. They read the accident report wrong and listed the 68-year-old grandmother of 9 as the "flasher" and stated she was arrested for "exposing herself at Goody's." The lady didn't see the paper. At church on Sunday, she kept getting funny looks and whispers from pews all around here. She finally asked someone was something wrong, and they told her about the paper.

Needless to say, she demanded a retraction and wanted to do more. *LOL*

:lol:

poor granny.......


:D

[The R]

It's been awhile...I'd have to do some research! :D I may have to dust off some albums this weekend...feeling the need to hear "The Do-Right Family!"

:beer:

that stuff is priceless....I can remember, "DON'T LOOK ETHEL!!!"




:eek:


R

[The R]

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!! But they do seem to be drawn to Wally World for some reason...

must be those cheap shoes.....

;)

R

[hypnotized]

Be watchful of the weather reports tonight if you are in south or middle Georgia. Reports of violent weather are being posted on the Albany station:

www.walb.com

"Americus has been hit by a tornado. Reports are coming in that the hospital, a fire station, and an EMS station was struck, and authorities have appealed for any available medical assistance. Dougherty Co. is responding. If you are a trained medical person, you are asked to report to the triage headquarters at the Harvey's on Lee St., in Americus."

[The R]

I once had a "flasher' in a Walmart parking lot. I laughed at it and he slunked away. Walmart is not my fav place. LOL! Too many pervs.

Speaking of perverts,

I probably shouldn't mention this BUT......

Way back when, when I was in LE, I got a call once to a drug store parking lot. The call involved a man who sat in a pickup truck while relieving his sexual tension as young women walked into the store. He was there when I arrived and upon questioning I found that he was indeed doing his thing while sitting in his truck. I arrested him and had to take a vital piece of evidence into custody. The evidence? You might've guessed that it was a towel which was found on the front seat next to him...........

:shrug:

the things we have to do........


R

[Its just me]

:lol:

poor granny.......


:D

Most locals know there is a section in most small town newspapers about the happenings of communities usually written by people who keep up with what is going on. Who is sick, who had a family reunion, who has passed away, etc. A few months ago a lady from the neighboring county was reported to have passed away. A friend called her house to speak with the husband and the lady (who had not passed away) answered the phone. After the shock the caller explained what had happened and many phone calls continued. The lady would answer and say Hello, this is M**** and I'm not dead.

[dixinites]

Be watchful of the weather reports tonight if you are in south or middle Georgia. Reports of violent weather are being posted on the Albany station:

www.walb.com

"Americus has been hit by a tornado. Reports are coming in that the hospital, a fire station, and an EMS station was struck, and authorities have appealed for any available medical assistance. Dougherty Co. is responding. If you are a trained medical person, you are asked to report to the triage headquarters at the Harvey's on Lee St., in Americus."

Thank you very much for the alert...it's going to be a long nite for many in Georgia. My only child is in middle Georgia and she is very nervous, as am I.

[ipswitch]

Be watchful of the weather reports tonight if you are in south or middle Georgia. Reports of violent weather are being posted on the Albany station:

www.walb.com

"Americus has been hit by a tornado. Reports are coming in that the hospital, a fire station, and an EMS station was struck, and authorities have appealed for any available medical assistance. Dougherty Co. is responding. If you are a trained medical person, you are asked to report to the triage headquarters at the Harvey's on Lee St., in Americus."


There is a lot of damage in the Americus area. We just got off the phone with my in-laws, the Burger King near the hospital, lots of medical offices, pharmacies, were destroyed, windows in the hospital were shattered in the CCU (according to inlaws) and part of the roof was blown off.

Please keep all in the area in your thoughts and prayers, and for all of you in south GA, please stay safe, as it looks like the storm is headed to Tifton right now.

ipswitch

[odette]

I agree. It pays to know your snakes.

I was looking for your post, on the Tara forum, where you said that you were leaving Dr Lewdwig, to no avail I might add.

I did discover though, you have made 39 posts but there are only 32 left. I guess that the farewell post must have been one of the ones which have "disappeared". Interesting, I must say.

JMHO

[Its just me]

I was looking for your post, on the Tara forum, where you said that you were leaving Dr Lewdwig, to no avail I might add.

I did discover though, you have made 39 posts but there are only 32 left. I guess that the farewell post must have been one of the ones which have "disappeared". Interesting, I must say.

JMHO

Hey I remember Doc posting he was leaving. Must have been a potty break if he's taken the post off. Thanks odette for pointing this out. Interesting

[readmylips]

I shared the information with you in a private message thinking that private mean't private. Since you have posted that information, I will share it with the other members. I don't know HD as a friend or otherwise. i have a 1st cousin that ran for Gov. of Ga. a few years ago. About a month ago, I called him and discussed the disappearance of Tara. I asked if he knew anyone with GBI and is it possible they have some un-reported leads. He called me back in a few days and said someone with GBI told him that from a few days before and during part of the weekend TG disappeared, there were some phone calls made to and from the vicinity of TG's house. These phone calls were made on prepaid cellphones. They determined where both phones were located during the calls. There was no record of who owned these phones.

I knew there were snakes in this forum, but I didn't suspect "RESULTS"
If I happen to see you at the Williamsville Groc, or anywhere else, I'll tell you the same thing.

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.

i don't understand why you wouldn't share this information with the board to begin with. why did it have to be private? are you one of the people who takes pleasure in feeling as if you have some sort of classified informationa nd you will share it with those you find worthy? that info, if true, is a hell of a lot more relevant to the case than taking up half a day talking about setting a pervert up to trap hd into meeting with you. which by the way, since you claim that was a serious attempt, you do realize that this is a PUBLIC forum. :rolleyes:

i am so sick of the game playing. really really sick of it. grow up and get a life.

[Brainstorm]

Hey I remember Doc posting he was leaving. Must have been a potty break if he's taken the post off. Thanks odette for pointing this out. Interesting

Thats what doc needed,a potty break,he's full of it,IMO

[fsbiii]

IMO, it was sent via infamous PM due to the .001% truth to it.

i don't understand why you wouldn't share this information with the board to begin with. why did it have to be private? are you one of the people who takes pleasure in feeling as if you have some sort of classified informationa nd you will share it with those you find worthy? that info, if true, is a hell of a lot more relevant to the case than taking up half a day talking about setting a pervert up to trap hd into meeting with you. which by the way, since you claim that was a serious attempt, you do realize that this is a PUBLIC forum. :rolleyes:

i am so sick of the game playing. really really sick of it. grow up and get a life.

[Its just me]

i don't understand why you wouldn't share this information with the board to begin with. why did it have to be private? are you one of the people who takes pleasure in feeling as if you have some sort of classified informationa nd you will share it with those you find worthy? that info, if true, is a hell of a lot more relevant to the case than taking up half a day talking about setting a pervert up to trap hd into meeting with you. which by the way, since you claim that was a serious attempt, you do realize that this is a PUBLIC forum. :rolleyes:

i am so sick of the game playing. really really sick of it. grow up and get a life.

He did not apologize (never has) but he was playing games. If he knew about the calls he came here as Dr. L playing games. One thing about it he can call Results every name in the book but it does not discredit what she has done for this case. She is out digging and she don't care where she digs and she is bold enough to bring her findings to the board. My daddy always told me a truthful person will speak bold as a lion. When I think about Results I think about what my daddy told me. She has proved herself time after time. Bold as a lion and don't hide behind a nic.

[odette]

i don't understand why you wouldn't share this information with the board to begin with. why did it have to be private? are you one of the people who takes pleasure in feeling as if you have some sort of classified informationa nd you will share it with those you find worthy? that info, if true, is a hell of a lot more relevant to the case than taking up half a day talking about setting a pervert up to trap hd into meeting with you. which by the way, since you claim that was a serious attempt, you do realize that this is a PUBLIC forum. :rolleyes:

i am so sick of the game playing. really really sick of it. grow up and get a life.

ITA ..

Just more smoke and mirrors ..

IMO

[Brainstorm]

He did not apologize (never has) but he was playing games. If he knew about the calls he came here as Dr. L playing games. One thing about it he can call Results every name in the book but it does not discredit what she has done for this case. She is out digging and she don't care where she digs and she is bold enough to bring her findings to the board. My daddy always told me a truthful person will speak bold as a lion. When I think about Results I think about what my daddy told me. She has proved herself time after time. Bold as a lion and don't hide behind a nic.

Sounds like your Daddy taught you some of the same values my Daddy taught me,andthey've served me well and I am proud to stand behind someone like Results,who we need more like,IMO,

[The R]

I shared the information with you in a private message thinking that private mean't private. Since you have posted that information, I will share it with the other members. I don't know HD as a friend or otherwise. i have a 1st cousin that ran for Gov. of Ga. a few years ago. About a month ago, I called him and discussed the disappearance of Tara. I asked if he knew anyone with GBI and is it possible they have some un-reported leads. He called me back in a few days and said someone with GBI told him that from a few days before and during part of the weekend TG disappeared, there were some phone calls made to and from the vicinity of TG's house. These phone calls were made on prepaid cellphones. They determined where both phones were located during the calls. There was no record of who owned these phones.

I knew there were snakes in this forum, but I didn't suspect "RESULTS"
If I happen to see you at the Williamsville Groc, or anywhere else, I'll tell you the same thing.

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.




I too am beginning to suspect the good Dr. is a master baiter.


ALLMO


R

[Results]

I shared the information with you in a private message thinking that private mean't private. Since you have posted that information, I will share it with the other members. I don't know HD as a friend or otherwise. i have a 1st cousin that ran for Gov. of Ga. a few years ago. About a month ago, I called him and discussed the disappearance of Tara. I asked if he knew anyone with GBI and is it possible they have some un-reported leads. He called me back in a few days and said someone with GBI told him that from a few days before and during part of the weekend TG disappeared, there were some phone calls made to and from the vicinity of TG's house. These phone calls were made on prepaid cellphones. They determined where both phones were located during the calls. There was no record of who owned these phones.

I knew there were snakes in this forum, but I didn't suspect "RESULTS"
If I happen to see you at the Williamsville Groc, or anywhere else, I'll tell you the same thing.

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.

I can't help but laugh at this one. 1st off your going to ask questions about leads not reported HELLO what leads are reported for us to know about? 2nd off IF I had close ties to someone that was going to check in with the GBI for information I must say I would have asked WHO DO THEY THINK DID IT...DO THEY THINK SHE IS ALIVE? No, you ask is their any unreported leads OK I'm sorry but I didn't think we even had a reported lead. LE/GBI is TIGHT LIPPED! So a cousin that ran for govenor just called the GBI and said....what, hey I ran for governor tell me what you got? When I read YOUR PM I spotted a snake a hundred miles away. That information if true COULD VERY WELL LEAD TO SHE LEFT ON HER OWN or if she is deceased THEN IT WAS PLANNED. Call me whatever you want to and IF the GBI is giving information out to PEOPLE then they are surely blotching their investigation. Maybe they are I don't know but I certainly care if they are because by gosh if they can't hold a press release and give not one word how the investigation is going then they need to keep that policy for everyone and keep everything under wraps except for the investigating officers trying to solve this case. Like I said before what do I know? JMHO

[Its just me]

I shared the information with you in a private message thinking that private mean't private. Since you have posted that information, I will share it with the other members. I don't know HD as a friend or otherwise. i have a 1st cousin that ran for Gov. of Ga. a few years ago. About a month ago, I called him and discussed the disappearance of Tara. I asked if he knew anyone with GBI and is it possible they have some un-reported leads. He called me back in a few days and said someone with GBI told him that from a few days before and during part of the weekend TG disappeared, there were some phone calls made to and from the vicinity of TG's house. These phone calls were made on prepaid cellphones. They determined where both phones were located during the calls. There was no record of who owned these phones.

I knew there were snakes in this forum, but I didn't suspect "RESULTS"
If I happen to see you at the Williamsville Groc, or anywhere else, I'll tell you the same thing.

As for Mr. Foot Fetish, I think there's a good chance he would go along for money or the chance to lick feet. I was serious in my proposal to BS. I was not joking with her and you can spout your legal arguments until your fingers fall off. I mean't every word of it and I stand by it. No apologys.

Doc, this post has bugged me all day. If I am correct Results stated you talked to politictions and GBI. That's all. Why in the world did you go into a rage over this. She did not reveal what was said or that she even talked to you. You doc spilled the beans not results. I told you it was the snake in the grass that I kept my eyes on. If you knew there were snakes on this board why did you bring you hinney over here cause I told you some snakes will bite the tar out of you if you step over them and you doc stepped directly on one. You bring your tail on here and can't get along so you say you are leaving. The next thing I know you pop right back in with still more S*** and calling people snakes. You posted "it's hard fighting crime" and the only people I know that fights crime are people involved in LE and it appears you are wearing a wig that keeps falling off. So in your own words you have connections with people in politics who have connections with GBI and you are a crime fighter wearing a wig which means you are bald or trying to camo your identy.
You stated you dont care about what people type about the Law concerning your little plan to get the foot licker and HD together so you could sneak and get it on video. That is the thing for you to do because you probably will be sitting you hinney in the pokey for a few days and we sure want mind. If you are a cop like you implied this shows me your not a very honest cop or just the snake in the grass. BTW you cant type enough words to convience me you were not playing a game with Brainstorm who has done NOTHING to you. And to prove my point if your are sincere about doing this little plan why in the h*** can't you just do it and leave BS out of it. If you don't like my opinion that's too bad because it was formed by your own words. IJM

[southernbelle73]

I think, and I am sure that IJM meant hiney (if I am wrong I am sorry and I stand corrected). A hiney is another name for the buttocks. Here is a definition that might explain what that means:
The buttocks are formed by the masses of the gluteal muscles or 'glutes' (the gluteus maximus and the gluteus medius) superimposed by a layer of fat. The superior aspect of the buttock ends at the iliac crest, and the lower aspect is outlined by the horizontal gluteal crease. The gluteus maximus has two insertion points: 1/3 superior portion of the linea aspera of the femur, and the superior portion of the iliotibial tractus. The masses of the gluteus maximus muscle are separated by an intermediate gluteal cleft or "crack" in which the anus is situated.
The buttocks allow primates to sit upright without needing to rest their weight on their feet as four-legged animals do.
I have provided the link for the information that I posted...ya know so that it can be counted as fact.
www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Buttocks


what's a hinney? :rolleyes:

[mooloo]

Or....from the Urban Dictionary--

hiney

A brown hole which lies between the upper body and thighs used for pooing, taking temperature, and occasional sexual penetration.

When little Timmy showed his mother a new trick she replied: “Timmy don’t stick carrots in your HINEY.”

**********

Now, I am not real sure exactly how The Urban Dictionary is accepted in educated and intelligent circles, but....thought maybe it explained it rather succinctly.





I think, and I am sure that IJM meant hiney (if I am wrong I am sorry and I stand corrected). A hiney is another name for the buttocks. Here is a definition that might explain what that means:
The buttocks are formed by the masses of the gluteal muscles or 'glutes' (the gluteus maximus and the gluteus medius) superimposed by a layer of fat. The superior aspect of the buttock ends at the iliac crest, and the lower aspect is outlined by the horizontal gluteal crease. The gluteus maximus has two insertion points: 1/3 superior portion of the linea aspera of the femur, and the superior portion of the iliotibial tractus. The masses of the gluteus maximus muscle are separated by an intermediate gluteal cleft or "crack" in which the anus is situated.
The buttocks allow primates to sit upright without needing to rest their weight on their feet as four-legged animals do.
I have provided the link for the information that I posted...ya know so that it can be counted as fact.
www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Buttocks

[Its just me]

what's a hinney? :rolleyes:

Don't get your eyes crossed by rolling them. I thought every body in the US would know what a hiney is......it's a word used instead of tail or ass. Common word in this area and I think it may have spread beyond us Redneck southern ladies to replace tail or ass. For some reason this makes me think of Forrest. The correct spelling is hiney but we southern gals pronounce it hin ney so that is the way I spelled it.

[southernbelle73]

PLEASE!!! Anyone with half of a brain would know what IJM was talking about by reading her post. You know I have been reading here since the beginning and I have noticed that you sure like to keep "mess" stirred. I mean just when things are kinda calmed down....here you come starting junk again. I know if I am sick of seeing it as an "outsider" that just reads and rarely posts, then I can NOT imagine how sick the regulars are. I mean seriously why would you have even asked if you knew what it was...I mean in the quote below you answered your own question...I reckon some people just like to hear themselves talk...or in your case read and answer posts to themselves...dang, that sounds like a mental problem.

The above is just my opinion and stuff

Hi-Knee (Hi ney) a butt-
:lol:

I know what that is, I just didn't know what a HINNEY was.

glad we got that cleared up^

Hey, I've got a shirt that says "Grab a HEINE" but it's talking about Heineken beer, so, here's to ya!

:beer:

[readmylips]

PLEASE!!! Anyone with half of a brain would know what IJM was talking about by reading her post. You know I have been reading here since the beginning and I have noticed that you sure like to keep "mess" stirred. I mean just when things are kinda calmed down....here you come starting junk again. I know if I am sick of seeing it as an "outsider" that just reads and rarely posts, then I can NOT imagine how sick the regulars are. I mean seriously why would you have even asked if you knew what it was...I mean in the quote below you answered your own question...I reckon some people just like to hear themselves talk...or in your case read and answer posts to themselves...dang, that sounds like a mental problem.

The above is just my opinion and stuff

oh southernbelle, what a breath of fresh air you are. a poster, with logical thought and the ability to smell horse crap when it comes aflying. welcome to the circus my dear, welcome to the circus. the 3 legged man should be here soon. stick around. it will be entertaining i am sure. leave your entrance fee at the door please. showtimes vary.

[Brainstorm]

PLEASE!!! Anyone with half of a brain would know what IJM was talking about by reading her post. You know I have been reading here since the beginning and I have noticed that you sure like to keep "mess" stirred. I mean just when things are kinda calmed down....here you come starting junk again. I know if I am sick of seeing it as an "outsider" that just reads and rarely posts, then I can NOT imagine how sick the regulars are. I mean seriously why would you have even asked if you knew what it was...I mean in the quote below you answered your own question...I reckon some people just like to hear themselves talk...or in your case read and answer posts to themselves...dang, that sounds like a mental problem.

The above is just my opinion and stuff

Thank you,southernbelle,for pointing this out,again........this is so elementary
kath is all about kath and disecting the message board and us members....
she needs to start her on thread and stay there and play message board with someone else.
It is VERY DISTRACTING if you are here,new or old,and am trying to find facts
about this case....
JMHO

[southernbelle73]

Thanks for this explanation...if there are any questions that weren't answered with this post...then maybe someone needs to get in touch with their own anatomy.

Or....from the Urban Dictionary--

hiney

A brown hole which lies between the upper body and thighs used for pooing, taking temperature, and occasional sexual penetration.

When little Timmy showed his mother a new trick she replied: “Timmy don’t stick carrots in your HINEY.”

**********

Now, I am not real sure exactly how The Urban Dictionary is accepted in educated and intelligent circles, but....thought maybe it explained it rather succinctly.

[southernbelle73]

Thanks...:)
oh southernbelle, what a breath of fresh air you are. a poster, with logical thought and the ability to smell horse crap when it comes aflying. welcome to the circus my dear, welcome to the circus. the 3 legged man should be here soon. stick around. it will be entertaining i am sure. leave your entrance fee at the door please. showtimes vary.

[southernbelle73]

You are most welcome, Brainstorm!

Thank you,southernbelle,for pointing this out,again........this is so elementary
kath is all about kath and disecting the message board and us members....
she needs to start her on thread and stay there and play message board with someone else.
It is VERY DISTRACTING if you are here,new or old,and am trying to find facts
about this case....
JMHO

[mooloo]

oh, Lawdy!! :punch:


maybe someone needs to get in touch with their own anatomy.

[The R]

Thanks for this explanation...if there are any questions that weren't answered with this post...then maybe someone needs to get in touch with their own anatomy.


Maybe the problem is they've already been in touch with it too much, hell some posters on here even think with it..............

ALLMO,
R

[Its just me]

Hi-Knee (Hi ney) a butt-
:lol:

I know what that is, I just didn't know what a HINNEY was.

glad we got that cleared up^

Hey, I've got a shirt that says "Grab a HEINE" but it's talking about Heineken beer, so, here's to ya!

:beer:

Sure you knew what hinney was because it was very clear in the way it was used in the sentence. And NO Missy you are wrong with the way I pronounce hiney

Read clearly I SAY HIN AND THEN I SAY NEY or HIN KNEE
come up north to South Georgia and you might be saying Hin ney in a few days. You are worse than the way I pronounce hiney and I don't need any lessons from you of any kind. If you only knew half as much as you think you know we would have us another Albert Einstein. Keep rolling for the snake eyes

[dixinites]

I know what that is, I just didn't know what a HINNEY was.

This, from Ms. Fingernails on the Chalkboard, the queen of misspelled words herself! Got to hand it to you, you are batting a thousand, kiddo, when it comes to sheer nerve.

[IrwinIndian]

i think she's done struck out at the plate

This, from Ms. Fingernails on the Chalkboard, the queen of misspelled words herself! Got to hand it to you, you are batting a thousand, kiddo, when it comes to sheer nerve.

[odette]

This, from Ms. Fingernails on the Chalkboard, the queen of misspelled words herself! Got to hand it to you, you are batting a thousand, kiddo, when it comes to sheer nerve.

"Ms. Fingernails on the Chalkboard"

Love it dixi!! .. What a perfect title.

JMHO

[mooloo]

Now why did you want to go and pick on the poor car salesmen of the world?

Dixinites, are you speaking to me? How am I the queen of poor spelling? Ms. Fingernails on the Chalkboard? what are you talking about? it makes NO sense whatsoever.

I didn't spell anything wrong. The member its just me spelled the word wrong and I asked what it was, but thank you very much for giving a good shot at trying to insult me though. Please go back and read the posts in proper order and you'll see where you are wrong. Take your time, you'll get it. i asked in a joking way, but you people can't stand it. you are like car salesmen waiting to pounce on an innocent person who just wants to take their time and see for themselves. you see an inch and you run a country mile!

[dixinites]

Dixinites, are you speaking to me? How am I the queen of poor spelling? Ms. Fingernails on the Chalkboard? what are you talking about? it makes NO sense whatsoever.

Well, you are the only one on the board that the title made no sense to...

You have the dubious honor of being the most irritating, annoying, and abrasive persona on this entire board. Like fingernails on a chalkboard. At this point, I don't think ANYONE will disagree. So, take your smug self and ponder on that one for a while...take your time, you'll get it.

Your posts have nothing to do with the task at hand, finding Tara, they are just a very sad testimony to the obviously neglected person you are, seeking attention and any form of human interaction, albeit negative. Good luck with that.

[fsbiii]

FYI, the article speaks for itself on how/what Pujadas knew/said:

A lawyer who has spoken to investigating officers said they had told him numerous messages were left on Tara's answering machine in the hours before her disappearance. "The calls are from a married man and he's a cop," Thomas Pujadas told The National Enquirer. "I am told police are investigating him."

I trust that's not good enough for your purposes, but it says what it says.

[color=red[Annoying[/color] or not, I am an educated woman who desires to continue to discuss the case of Tara Grinstead, a missing teacher from Ocilla, GA.

I prefer to discuss among other intelligent members who truly have an open mind and wish to explore all the possibilities, no matter how many times specific theories or situations should have to be revisited.

I will defend my intelligence by saying that for another member to call me the queen of misspelled words can only mean they are not familiar with me, otherwise,this member would be aware that I can spell. (fyi-I was previously a spelling bee champion more than once. I don't ever recall being asked to spell country bumpkin, but somehow it comes to mind at this particular time.)

The topic of this thread is called THE MEN IN THIS CASE: DISCUSSION, so I shall attempt to steer us all back toward that direction.

The National Enquirer article reported the number of phone call messages left on Tara's answering machine during the weekend that she disappeared. I recall reading that it was suspected MH's attorney was the one to give that interview to the National Enquirer.

IF SO, how would the attorney know that information? Would MH have told him that?

If so, how would MH know who left the messages on Tara's machine?

I also recall reading that MH's parents went inside T's home that morning. Was that determined to be true or not true?

If true, then I can see how MH would know who left messages on T's machine, if either or his parents told him what they heard, otherwise, how would MH's attorney know who called her phone and who left any message?

How would the attorney know that info so soon and who would have been obligated to fill him in on that?

[concernedperson]

Annoying or not, I am an educated woman who desires to continue to discuss the case of Tara Grinstead, a missing teacher from Ocilla, GA.

I prefer to discuss among other intelligent members who truly have an open mind and wish to explore all the possibilities, no matter how many times specific theories or situations should have to be revisited.

I will defend my intelligence by saying that for another member to call me the queen of misspelled words can only mean they are not familiar with me, otherwise,this member would be aware that I can spell. (fyi-I was previously a spelling bee champion more than once. I don't ever recall being asked to spell country bumpkin, but somehow it comes to mind at this particular time.)

The topic of this thread is called THE MEN IN THIS CASE: DISCUSSION, so I shall attempt to steer us all back toward that direction.

The National Enquirer article reported the number of phone call messages left on Tara's answering machine during the weekend that she disappeared. I recall reading that it was suspected MH's attorney was the one to give that interview to the National Enquirer.

IF SO, how would the attorney know that information? Would MH have told him that?

If so, how would MH know who left the messages on Tara's machine?

I also recall reading that MH's parents went inside T's home that morning. Was that determined to be true or not true?

If true, then I can see how MH would know who left messages on T's machine, if either or his parents told him what they heard, otherwise, how would MH's attorney know who called her phone and who left any message?

How would the attorney know that info so soon and who would have been obligated to fill him in on that?

From what I understand there were several people who entered the house in addition to Mr. P. and Maria Hulett. I understand the crime scene was compromised.

[fsbiii]

Despite the family's yellow tape being left up for months (while everyone and their aunt came in and out of the house), I don't think there was a crime scene at Tara's house. If a crime occurred, it happened elsewhere IMO. I do agree that the house and any evidence was not handled appropriately, but I have no idea what LE was thinking then or now.

From what I understand there were several people who entered the house in addition to Mr. P. and Maria Hulett. I understand the crime scene was compromised.

[readmylips]

Thanks! Investigators told the attorney that a married man who is a police officer had made the calls.

I wonder if they knew who the married cop caller was at the time they told him? And if so, did they tell the attorney the man's name and the atty just didn't say it to the Enquirer?

If Tara also had a relationship with another married man who was a police officer, how can I be sure that he doesn't factor into any equation here?

Maybe he was not the one to leave the messages, but if she was also having another relationship with another married man, this is dangerous.
It's entirely possible that Tara and JDA & his wife were very close friends and this is grossly misunderstood, but if not, then I'd say a single girl messing with a long time married law officer/ family man is a no-no that could cause a few bumps in the road for her?

maybe i have missed it somewhere but has jda been identified as a poi by le? or mentioned by media as a poi?

[lighthousedazy]

maybe i have missed it somewhere but has jda been identified as a poi by le? or mentioned by media as a poi?My mind may be simple, but the only place I have seen jda mentioned is on the CL Tara Grinstead forum; and once or twice on 13 WMAZ re: police work in Ft. Valley. jmo

[readmylips]

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=269628&page=2

in more simple terms, no? or are you saying that fsbiii's opinion report based on what he heard is suddenly valid?

i am so confused. one minute fsbiii's words aren't worth anything and then when it serves your position, he is the authority on a subject.

choose your poison. is he reliable or not? should we believe what fsbiii says or question and challenge it? i just don't know which way to go anymore :shrug:

[dixinites]

Annoying or not, I am an educated woman who desires to continue to discuss the case of Tara Grinstead, a missing teacher from Ocilla, GA.

I prefer to discuss among other intelligent members who truly have an open mind and wish to explore all the possibilities, no matter how many times specific theories or situations should have to be revisited.

I will defend my intelligence by saying that for another member to call me the queen of misspelled words can only mean they are not familiar with me, otherwise,this member would be aware that I can spell. (fyi-I was previously a spelling bee champion more than once. I don't ever recall being asked to spell country bumpkin, but somehow it comes to mind at this particular time.)



Well, at least you realize that you are annoying...the first step in correcting a problem is recognizing it. Your ability to "discuss" among intelligent posters has been seriously hampered by your obvious lack of social skills.

Back to topic: Where were we? Oh, the National Enquirer article...

[Results]

Well Det. Barnes talked to HD by phone to get a statement about the AV Incident so who is to say that he didn't recognize HD's voice. Who is to say HD didn't say his name? If Det. Barnes or Mr or Mrs. P said it was him I would say probably they would know his voice. There is no sense IMO to drag another married LE into this scene unless you have anyway to back it up. Every POI has had some contact that we know about so with no real connection at all that links this LE Officer to Tara seems like a derail but I don't know anything about this Officer. JMHO

[fsbiii]

For all intensive purposes, I am not LE or the media! Just to be clear! *LOL* You hear that, kath? His name popped up by online sleuthers, that's all I know. I can't make him fit into the Enquirer piece, no matter how hard people try to do so.

maybe i have missed it somewhere but has jda been identified as a poi by le? or mentioned by media as a poi?

[dixinites]

FSB, the Devil Wears Nada...Now THAT is funny!

[Its just me]

Annoying or not, I am an educated woman who desires to continue to discuss the case of Tara Grinstead, a missing teacher from Ocilla, GA.

I prefer to discuss among other intelligent members who truly have an open mind and wish to explore all the possibilities, no matter how many times specific theories or situations should have to be revisited.

I will defend my intelligence by saying that for another member to call me the queen of misspelled words can only mean they are not familiar with me, otherwise,this member would be aware that I can spell. (fyi-I was previously a spelling bee champion more than once. I don't ever recall being asked to spell country bumpkin, but somehow it comes to mind at this particular time.)

The topic of this thread is called THE MEN IN THIS CASE: DISCUSSION, so I shall attempt to steer us all back toward that direction.

The National Enquirer article reported the number of phone call messages left on Tara's answering machine during the weekend that she disappeared. I recall reading that it was suspected MH's attorney was the one to give that interview to the National Enquirer.

IF SO, how would the attorney know that information? Would MH have told him that?

If so, how would MH know who left the messages on Tara's machine?

I also recall reading that MH's parents went inside T's home that morning. Was that determined to be true or not true?

If true, then I can see how MH would know who left messages on T's machine, if either or his parents told him what they heard, otherwise, how would MH's attorney know who called her phone and who left any message?

How would the attorney know that info so soon and who would have been obligated to fill him in on that?

Glad you are educated in spelling Kath. I have known many educated people that were totally educated idiots. Any education with out common sense is not worth that little piece of paper I am sure you recieved when you won that SPELLING BEE. Please carry on with your education and correct spelling as I will with my misspelling and common sense.:seeya:

IJM's proverb. It's not good to think to highly of one's self because the higher you fly the harder you will fall.

[Results]

Godwin is convinced that they point to a brief struggle. "The beads, the clock and the bedpost that's bent," Godwin said. "I believe there was a small assault there in the house. I believe she was abducted, and I think she was taken to a location and murdered." What's more, Godwin said, he believes the evidence he has compiled suggests that Tara Grinstead was dead before anyone realized she was missing. In his view, based on the study of statistics in similar cases, it is unlikely that she was sexually assaulted, and the entire affair, which has now been under investigation for almost five months, occurred "within an hour." Sometime after 12:15 a.m. Oct. 24, Godwin believes, the killer returned, and perhaps accidentally dropped a latex glove on Tara's front lawn. It had to have been after 12:15 Godwin said, because that was when Tara's old friend, Heath ****s, a police captain from a nearby community, had come by to check in on Tara, and had telephoned her mother when she didn't answer the door. He had not seen the glove. Nor had a former student of Tara's who had come by earlier Sunday to fetch a dog Tara had been pet-sitting, Godwin said.

I just can't get this article out of my head. This is unbelievable. We are to believe this:

#1. HD leaves a card in the door at 12:15 AM when HD was there at Tara's house but yet the card was seen in the daytime.

#2. The perp comes after HD leaves his card in the door and this card does not alarm the perp that a Captain of a PD business card is in the door and the perp just goes right on in and puts the card right back in the door and drops a glove on his way out.

#3. Surely it can't be HD! :eek:

#4. Notice how again HD is mentioned as a a police captain from a nearby community, who is looking for Tara at 12:15 AM for what? What is a married man doing at a single womans house at 12:15 AM?

Anyone that can honestly say this does not sound far fetch I have to ask why do you believe it and how could you believe it? JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Godwin is convinced that they point to a brief struggle. "The beads, the clock and the bedpost that's bent," Godwin said. "I believe there was a small assault there in the house. I believe she was abducted, and I think she was taken to a location and murdered." What's more, Godwin said, he believes the evidence he has compiled suggests that Tara Grinstead was dead before anyone realized she was missing. In his view, based on the study of statistics in similar cases, it is unlikely that she was sexually assaulted, and the entire affair, which has now been under investigation for almost five months, occurred "within an hour." Sometime after 12:15 a.m. Oct. 24, Godwin believes, the killer returned, and perhaps accidentally dropped a latex glove on Tara's front lawn. It had to have been after 12:15 Godwin said, because that was when Tara's old friend, Heath ****s, a police captain from a nearby community, had come by to check in on Tara, and had telephoned her mother when she didn't answer the door. He had not seen the glove. Nor had a former student of Tara's who had come by earlier Sunday to fetch a dog Tara had been pet-sitting, Godwin said.

I just can't get this article out of my head. This is unbelievable. We are to believe this:

#1. HD leaves a card in the door at 12:15 AM when HD was there at Tara's house but yet the card was seen in the daytime.

#2. The perp comes after HD leaves his card in the door and this card does not alarm the perp that a Captain of a PD business card is in the door and the perp just goes right on in and puts the card right back in the door and drops a glove on his way out.

#3. Surely it can't be HD! :eek:

#4. Notice how again HD is mentioned as a a police captain from a nearby community, who is looking for Tara at 12:15 AM for what? What is a married man doing at a single womans house at 12:15 AM?

Anyone that can honestly say this does not sound far fetch I have to ask why do you believe it and how could you believe it? JMHO

I sure wish Dr Godwin would speak again. The people from Hawkinsville and Perry didnt like what he said, and they fired him? Is that correct?
There was some good info there, IMO
JMHO
and BTW, I believe it......your post Results....
JMHO
I cant see past this,either.....

[Results]

I sure wish Dr Godwin would speak again. The people from Hawkinsville and Perry didnt like what he said, and they fired him? Is that correct?
There was some good info there, IMO
JMHO
and BTW, I believe it......your post Results....
JMHO
I cant see past this,either.....

I don't know if he is fired or not but I do hope that he can afford *69 now! ;)

[Brainstorm]

I don't know if he is fired or not but I do hope that he can afford *69 now! ;)

LOL, I stay so far out, I cant even get high-speed internet,but I do have *69
and its cheap,and WELL worth it IMO
JMHO

[The R]

Godwin is convinced that they point to a brief struggle. "The beads, the clock and the bedpost that's bent," Godwin said. "I believe there was a small assault there in the house. I believe she was abducted, and I think she was taken to a location and murdered." What's more, Godwin said, he believes the evidence he has compiled suggests that Tara Grinstead was dead before anyone realized she was missing. In his view, based on the study of statistics in similar cases, it is unlikely that she was sexually assaulted, and the entire affair, which has now been under investigation for almost five months, occurred "within an hour." Sometime after 12:15 a.m. Oct. 24, Godwin believes, the killer returned, and perhaps accidentally dropped a latex glove on Tara's front lawn. It had to have been after 12:15 Godwin said, because that was when Tara's old friend, Heath ****s, a police captain from a nearby community, had come by to check in on Tara, and had telephoned her mother when she didn't answer the door. He had not seen the glove. Nor had a former student of Tara's who had come by earlier Sunday to fetch a dog Tara had been pet-sitting, Godwin said.

I just can't get this article out of my head. This is unbelievable. We are to believe this:

#1. HD leaves a card in the door at 12:15 AM when HD was there at Tara's house but yet the card was seen in the daytime.

#2. The perp comes after HD leaves his card in the door and this card does not alarm the perp that a Captain of a PD business card is in the door and the perp just goes right on in and puts the card right back in the door and drops a glove on his way out.

#3. Surely it can't be HD! :eek:

#4. Notice how again HD is mentioned as a a police captain from a nearby community, who is looking for Tara at 12:15 AM for what? What is a married man doing at a single womans house at 12:15 AM?

Anyone that can honestly say this does not sound far fetch I have to ask why do you believe it and how could you believe it? JMHO




Did the original citation on the card in the door come from Godwin? Who saw it first? (sorry I can't recall and prob should read back). A great deal of your perspective/opinion seems to hinge on this card in the door. Of course there is plenty other info on HD, and I don't dispute it at all. I was just considering the reliability of the info on the card if it came from Godwin from HD.......

ALLMO,
R

[concernedperson]

Did the original citation on the card in the door come from Godwin? Who saw it first? (sorry I can't recall and prob should read back). A great deal of your perspective/opinion seems to hinge on this card in the door. Of course there is plenty other info on HD, and I don't dispute it at all. I was just considering the reliability of the info on the card if it came from Godwin from HD.......

ALLMO,
R

I guess we would have to assume one thing. That the person who said they saw the card on the door in the daytime is telling the truth and has no other reason to lie.

What would the situation say if the person lied to point a finger in HD's direction ? What if that person was the perp and went back to check on things later after HD left and discovered the card? Maybe he knew HD and knew he would be heading back to Perry and his wife, therefore, not afraid of him at all. Left the card in the door to begin a fabrication after Tara was discovered missing. Small thing, the card, but it could be part of an overall picture.

[readmylips]

I sure wish Dr Godwin would speak again. The people from Hawkinsville and Perry didnt like what he said, and they fired him? Is that correct?
There was some good info there, IMO
JMHO
and BTW, I believe it......your post Results....
JMHO
I cant see past this,either.....

oh please be careful what you wish for. it could come true. :eek:

[Brainstorm]

oh please be careful what you wish for. it could come true. :eek:

sorry,lol, I didnt meet him when he was in Irwin Co......
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Did the original citation on the card in the door come from Godwin? Who saw it first? (sorry I can't recall and prob should read back). A great deal of your perspective/opinion seems to hinge on this card in the door. Of course there is plenty other info on HD, and I don't dispute it at all. I was just considering the reliability of the info on the card if it came from Godwin from HD.......

ALLMO,
R

IIRC,the card was known about from day 1,thus the rumors flying from the beginning about HD. Correct me,if I'm wrong. The phone records,according to Dr. G,put HD at Taras' house at 12:15 IIRC,which came out months later, IIRC
JMHO

[fsbiii]

No matter how it reads, Godwin was NOT pointing anything at HD, IMO. He was trying to further his theory on MH and didn't even realize what he was doing by providing this information. He had his marching orders the whole time, IMO.

[mooloo]

Not the KP you are looking for, sorry.

I recently posted a link to the Ocilla Golf Course.

Ocilla Country Club
9 total holes at this golf facility
Golf Only facility
15 tees driving range
9 regulation holes

Staff: Judd Pusey, President
Kyle Paulk, Superintendent

Broadway Joe, could the initials that you spoke of be the initials to the staff member I highlighted? just wondering because I didn't recall you mentioning those initials or that name before at all until I posted that and was asked if I thought it could be the same person.

[readmylips]

I recently posted a link to the Ocilla Golf Course.

Ocilla Country Club
9 total holes at this golf facility
Golf Only facility
15 tees driving range
9 regulation holes

Staff: Judd Pusey, President
Kyle Paulk, Superintendent

Broadway Joe, could the initials that you spoke of be the initials to the staff member I highlighted? just wondering because I didn't recall you mentioning those initials or that name before at all until I posted that and was asked if I thought it could be the same person.

is he a doctor? broadway clearly said DOCTOR with initials kp. so what we have here is yet ANOTHER innocent person with their name slung across a public forum for no reason at all. good job miss intelligent. :cuss: even the poor doctor that broadway alluded to is imo not subject to discussion considering there is no basis for the mention. beyond bj's delusions anyway.

when will people understand that there is a decency level that should be maintained when pointing fingers at innocent people? walk a mile in their shoes. think before you speak. stop being so careless with peoples names. think about what you would want someone to do to you and then act. is there any way to get that concept beat into some of the simple minds that insist on littering the pages here? :mad: i doubt it really but it still angers me to watch happen time after time after time. pure ignorance imo. actually it is that lack of common sense that ijm mentioned being so much more important than book smarts and i am afraid that can't be taught. no matter how many times you hit them up side the head with it, it won't sink in.

[Its just me]

I didn't know that! That makes Godwin look stupid.
IMO

Maude Godwin is stupid and I don't say that lightly. An example. Godwin posts here as Popcorn. Popcorn posted here on ctv that I (Its just me) was at the bbq that Tara attended which was a big fat lie. I did get a little pm saying I'm sorry he had me confussed with someone else but did not have it in him to put it on the board. If Godwin is an investigator I am Santa Clause.
Another thing Godwin is very wrong about is the broken bed being evidence in Tara being missing. There is damage to the bed but it did not happen the night Tara disappeared. Godwin was told that MH harmed Tara and he has harrassed people in Ocilla trying to make this fit until I don't think he is very welcome in Ocilla by some. I agree that Godwin let out the information that HD was at Tara's and didn't have sense enough to know what he was saying. But as always I can be wrong but I'm not wrong about the bed or his post that I was at the bbq. Wonder where he is at now. Also I never believed a word of the death threat he said he received. Oh Lawd it is h*** to go back and try to correct my misspelled words.

[bornNbred S.GA]

Maude Godwin is stupid and I don't say that lightly. An example. Godwin posts here as Popcorn. Popcorn posted here on ctv that I (Its just me) was at the bbq that Tara attended which was a big fat lie. I did get a little pm saying I'm sorry he had me confussed with someone else but did not have it in him to put it on the board. If Godwin is an investigator I am Santa Clause.
Another thing Godwin is very wrong about is the broken bed being evidence in Tara being missing. There is damage to the bed but it did not happen the night Tara disappeared. Godwin was told that MH harmed Tara and he has harrassed people in Ocilla trying to make this fit until I don't think he is very welcome in Ocilla by some. I agree that Godwin let out the information that HD was at Tara's and didn't have sense enough to know what he was saying. But as always I can be wrong but I'm not wrong about the bed or his post that I was at the bbq. Wonder where he is at now. Also I never believed a word of the death threat he said he received. Oh Lawd it is h*** to go back and try to correct my misspelled words.

Since I have followed this case from day one, I am still amazed at how the town, the media, LE, family, friends, and concerned followers of the case are so clearly divided into what seems to be separate and often hostile groups, instead of working together for the common goal of finding Tara.

I guess it is common in cases for groups of people to often have their divisions of thought that causes them to lose sight of the common goal and stop working together.

I would sure wish the media would focus on Tara's case again. With so much time already passed, I'm afraid the media is the only way to flush out more information about the obvious people of interest so that Tara can be found.

[concernedperson]

Since I have followed this case from day one, I am still amazed at how the town, the media, LE, family, friends, and concerned followers of the case are so clearly divided into what seems to be separate and often hostile groups, instead of working together for the common goal of finding Tara.

I guess it is common in cases for groups of people to often have their divisions of thought that causes them to lose sight of the common goal and stop working together.

I would sure wish the media would focus on Tara's case again. With so much time already passed, I'm afraid the media is the only way to flush out more information about the obvious people of interest so that Tara can be found.

Welcome BornNbred S. Ga. What a great first post and one that needs to be thought about more. I, too, wish more people would come forward with info so Tara can come home. I am sure her family misses her tremendously.

Looking forward to more of your posts.

[bornNbred S.GA]

Godwin must have been trying to please someone and impress others. And do it all in a big rush. Much of his reported evidence never panned out.
JMHO

Possibly, or maybe just trying to bring truths to light in an inconspicuious way... We all know that the hushpuppy is done when it rises to the top of the boiling grease.

[Its just me]

Since I have followed this case from day one, I am still amazed at how the town, the media, LE, family, friends, and concerned followers of the case are so clearly divided into what seems to be separate and often hostile groups, instead of working together for the common goal of finding Tara.

I guess it is common in cases for groups of people to often have their divisions of thought that causes them to lose sight of the common goal and stop working together.

I would sure wish the media would focus on Tara's case again. With so much time already passed, I'm afraid the media is the only way to flush out more information about the obvious people of interest so that Tara can be found.

I agree the media could possibly flush out new information. I also think because there are strong connections with some of the poi's to different LE it would be a good idea for Chief Hancock to ask the Attorney General for a new investigation team to work with him on Tara's case. This can be done. And believe it or not I do know of one good GBI agent that would do a good job and not let who he knows stand in his way or he would not do the job. He left one area because of the corruption and what I know from speaking with him he is a top notch agent. Just my opinion as always.

[fsbiii]

Interesting food reference there.

Possibly, or maybe just trying to bring truths to light in an inconspicuious way... We all know that the hushpuppy is done when it rises to the top of the boiling grease.

[bornNbred S.GA]

Welcome BornNbred S. Ga. What a great first post and one that needs to be thought about more. I, too, wish more people would come forward with info so Tara can come home. I am sure her family misses her tremendously.

Looking forward to more of your posts.

Thank You, concernedperson, for the nice welcome. Because of my experience in south GA, I understand that searching for Tara is like looking for a 'contact in a cotton field'. With all the vast areas to search, I fear now without media attention focused on the most obvious people to flush out the truth, finding Tara may only happen someday in the far away future, when some guy hunting off a back road, sees something glimering in the sunlight...

But on a side note, against the odds, I did actually find my husband's contact when we were helping Dad working on our farm! There is hope. There is always hope!

[bornNbred S.GA]

Interesting food reference there.


LOL, well catfish and hushpuppies are pretty much standard issue on the weekly menu. As long as we don't run out of ketchup, life is good. ;)

[bornNbred S.GA]

I agree the media could possibly flush out new information. I also think because there are strong connections with some of the poi's to different LE it would be a good idea for Chief Hancock to ask the Attorney General for a new investigation team to work with him on Tara's case. This can be done. And believe it or not I do know of one good GBI agent that would do a good job and not let who he knows stand in his way or he would not do the job. He left one area because of the corruption and what I know from speaking with him he is a top notch agent. Just my opinion as always.


Humm... I know of corruption, 1st hand. Roots run deep in the south. Secrets are not kept simply to comply with Southern Social Graces. I could tell you stories involving certain folks that would curl your hair. My daddy always told me it was best never to 'PoP off' as if you knew everthing about everyone, although most everyone around our parts did indeed know most everything. Back then, secrets were usually just another word for having 'sense enough to keep your mouth shut' and the only slightly real secret was, that behind closed doors of home everybody was having dinner and dissecting the truth as they passed the fried apple pies.

Swamps are murky. Rivers are treacherous. Wells are deep. And there sure are an awful lot of Fire Roads to travel on and still go unnoticed.

The rattlesnakes and wild boars almost seemed friendly in comparison, when I heard my Daddy talk...

Your idea just might be one way to get the media back involved! One of my Dear Friends is w/ the FBI. I do wish I had the courage to ask a favor of him... Until not to very long ago, he worked for us at our business and he asked me for a reference for the FBI. Maybe he wouldn't mind too much putting the 'bug' so to speak into someone's ear in order to get the ball moving on Tara again.

This site seems NICE! I appreciate all of you taking me underwing for a common cause here!

[Its just me]

Humm... I know of corruption, 1st hand. Roots run deep in the south. Secrets are not kept simply to comply with Southern Social Graces. I could tell you stories involving certain folks that would curl your hair. My daddy always told me it was best never to 'PoP off' as if you knew everthing about everyone, although most everyone around our parts did indeed know most everything. Back then, secrets were usually just another word for having 'sense enough to keep your mouth shut' and the only slightly real secret was, that behind closed doors of home everybody was having dinner and dissecting the truth as they passed the fried apple pies.

Swamps are murky. Rivers are treacherous. Wells are deep. And there sure are an awful lot of Fire Roads to travel on and still go unnoticed.

The rattlesnakes and wild boars almost seemed friendly in comparison, when I heard my Daddy talk...

Your idea just might be one way to get the media back involved! One of my Dear Friends is w/ the FBI. I do wish I had the courage to ask a favor of him... Until not to very long ago, he worked for us at our business and he asked me for a reference for the FBI. Maybe he wouldn't mind too much putting the 'bug' so to speak into someone's ear in order to get the ball moving on Tara again.

This site seems NICE! I appreciate all of you taking me underwing for a common cause here!

I think your daddy knew exactly what he was talking about. I have learned though out many years that if I want or need a favor from someone I need to ask. The least you will get is a NO and that just puts you back in the same position you were in before you asked so you can't go wrong in asking. I say go for it and ask your friend with the FBI. Tara deserves all the help possible. TIA IJM

[readmylips]

*snipped
Since I have followed this case from day one, I am still amazed at how the town, the media, LE, family, friends, and concerned followers of the case are so clearly divided into what seems to be separate and often hostile groups, instead of working together for the common goal of finding Tara.



i think the reports of division and hostile groups are overexaggerated and play out primarily on message boards via words. a whole bunch of to do over nothing really. people disagree and people blow things out of proportion. having the ability to speak anonymously gives people the chance to act as childish as they want to and many have. let's not give it more value than it deserves.
the search didn't suffer because of it and the investigation hasn't either imo. it was and is just an online sideshow for the most part.

[TallaTonight]

Since I have followed this case from day one, I am still amazed at how the town, the media, LE, family, friends, and concerned followers of the case are so clearly divided into what seems to be separate and often hostile groups, instead of working together for the common goal of finding Tara.

I guess it is common in cases for groups of people to often have their divisions of thought that causes them to lose sight of the common goal and stop working together.

I would sure wish the media would focus on Tara's case again. With so much time already passed, I'm afraid the media is the only way to flush out more information about the obvious people of interest so that Tara can be found.

The thing that has worried me about this case IS No one has ever seemed to be enough. Everyone that has ever taken a stand in the Tara Grinstead case has came upon strong opposition. LE and GBI have been the blunt of many disagreements, The family speaking and or lack of speaking has caused speculation and disagreements, The people the family(?) brought in Godwin and the one before him, much disagreement and insults, the articles what few have been written brought disagreements. The searches and or lack of, disagreements. The searchers have been put through so much I doubt many will ever return. This is all based on what I have read here and in the Archieves. If you post and are not a part of 'the long haul crew' you are acussed of 'nic-switching' or 'derailing'. It is my heart felt opinion that anyone should be welcome here to speak out for Tara. I feel that everyone that post or wants to post here are doing it to help, so why do we hinder?
I noted also that the talk of the splitting or division was mentioned very early on in the case. Much talk about 'camps' and the posters here became less and less. Why? The talk of derailing, if anyone is afraid someone is derailing a thread why post pages upon pages of arguments when it would be so easy just to get back on track. I am new here and I have been called out on most all my post. I just decided to go on speak the truth and my opinions, I am not here to argue or to be insulted, I know we are all here for Tara so why can't we all just work together? This is a board of good people, adults with many very intelligent opinions what would it hurt to just get alone?

[readmylips]

The thing that has worried me about this case IS No one has ever seemed to be enough. Everyone that has ever taken a stand in the Tara Grinstead case has came upon strong opposition. LE and GBI have been the blunt of many disagreements, The family speaking and or lack of speaking has caused speculation and disagreements, The people the family(?) brought in Godwin and the one before him, much disagreement and insults, the articles what few have been written brought disagreements. The searches and or lack of, disagreements. The searchers have been put through so much I doubt many will ever return. This is all based on what I have read here and in the Archieves. If you post and are not a part of 'the long haul crew' you are acussed of 'nic-switching' or 'derailing'. It is my heart felt opinion that anyone should be welcome here to speak out for Tara. I feel that everyone that post or wants to post here are doing it to help, so why do we hinder?
I noted also that the talk of the splitting or division was mentioned very early on in the case. Much talk about 'camps' and the posters here became less and less. Why? The talk of derailing, if anyone is afraid someone is derailing a thread why post pages upon pages of arguments when it would be so easy just to get back on track. I am new here and I have been called out on most all my post. I just decided to go on speak the truth and my opinions, I am not here to argue or to be insulted, I know we are all here for Tara so why can't we all just work together? This is a board of good people, adults with many very intelligent opinions what would it hurt to just get alone?

the same thoughts apply to this post. imo

i think the reports of division and hostile groups are overexaggerated and play out primarily on message boards via words. a whole bunch of to do over nothing really. people disagree and people blow things out of proportion. having the ability to speak anonymously gives people the chance to act as childish as they want to and many have. let's not give it more value than it deserves.
the search didn't suffer because of it and the investigation hasn't either imo. it was and is just an online sideshow for the most part.

[fsbiii]

"The searchers have been put through so much I doubt many will ever return."

Can you explain what that means? You've probably just surmised that from hearing or reading one-sided rants, but what does it mean?

I agree with RML that this whole "division" and "camps" thing has been beaten to death by a very small handful of people who chose subjectivity over objectivity and refused (and still do) to explore all avenues.

I don't know what is expected for this "everyone to just get along" theme? People are still doing what they can do to solve the case, each in their own way, each with their own opinions. I see no problem concerning camps and divisions unless someone makes it a problem and blows it out of context for attention.

That's just my thought for the day. No infractions, please! *LOL*

The thing that has worried me about this case IS No one has ever seemed to be enough. Everyone that has ever taken a stand in the Tara Grinstead case has came upon strong opposition. LE and GBI have been the blunt of many disagreements, The family speaking and or lack of speaking has caused speculation and disagreements, The people the family(?) brought in Godwin and the one before him, much disagreement and insults, the articles what few have been written brought disagreements. The searches and or lack of, disagreements. The searchers have been put through so much I doubt many will ever return. This is all based on what I have read here and in the Archieves. If you post and are not a part of 'the long haul crew' you are acussed of 'nic-switching' or 'derailing'. It is my heart felt opinion that anyone should be welcome here to speak out for Tara. I feel that everyone that post or wants to post here are doing it to help, so why do we hinder?
I noted also that the talk of the splitting or division was mentioned very early on in the case. Much talk about 'camps' and the posters here became less and less. Why? The talk of derailing, if anyone is afraid someone is derailing a thread why post pages upon pages of arguments when it would be so easy just to get back on track. I am new here and I have been called out on most all my post. I just decided to go on speak the truth and my opinions, I am not here to argue or to be insulted, I know we are all here for Tara so why can't we all just work together? This is a board of good people, adults with many very intelligent opinions what would it hurt to just get alone?

[bornNbred S.GA]

snip

-having the ability to speak anonymously gives people the chance to act as childish as they want to and many have.
for the most part

-it was and is just an online sideshow.



Good points.

[bornNbred S.GA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bornNbred S.GA
Possibly, or maybe just trying to bring truths to light in an inconspicuious way... We all know that the hushpuppy is done when it rises to the top of the boiling grease.

It's been said by some, that Dr. Godwin was being paid by a few members of Tara's family to investigate the scene. It's been said these family members strongly suspected that MH was the guilty party and they had hopes that Godwin would confirm it. But when Godwin spoke, most of his information was about the actions of HD. So much so, that HD became conspicuous. Is it your opinion that Godwin was just stating facts and trying to bring the truth to light? Was he letting the chips fall where they may? Was he not accusing anyone nor excusing anyone? That would seem the right thing to do.

Actually, it was a generalization, not specifically intended to refer to Godwin, rather, how I would hope everyone involved in the Search for Truth Reguarding Tara's Disappearance would chose to handle the investigation.

[bornNbred S.GA]

The thing that has worried me about this case IS No one has ever seemed to be enough. Everyone that has ever taken a stand in the Tara Grinstead case has came upon strong opposition. LE and GBI have been the blunt of many disagreements, The family speaking and or lack of speaking has caused speculation and disagreements, The people the family(?) brought in Godwin and the one before him, much disagreement and insults, the articles what few have been written brought disagreements. The searches and or lack of, disagreements. The searchers have been put through so much I doubt many will ever return. This is all based on what I have read here and in the Archieves. If you post and are not a part of 'the long haul crew' you are acussed of 'nic-switching' or 'derailing'. It is my heart felt opinion that anyone should be welcome here to speak out for Tara. I feel that everyone that post or wants to post here are doing it to help, so why do we hinder?
I noted also that the talk of the splitting or division was mentioned very early on in the case. Much talk about 'camps' and the posters here became less and less. Why? The talk of derailing, if anyone is afraid someone is derailing a thread why post pages upon pages of arguments when it would be so easy just to get back on track. I am new here and I have been called out on most all my post. I just decided to go on speak the truth and my opinions, I am not here to argue or to be insulted, I know we are all here for Tara so why can't we all just work together? This is a board of good people, adults with many very intelligent opinions what would it hurt to just get alone?

Excellent post! You may be new here, but your well founded opinions mirror many of my own. It is very nice to meet you. I look forward to reading more of your posts on the Tara thread.

[TallaTonight]

Excellent post! You may be new here, but your well founded opinions mirror many of my own. It is very nice to meet you. I look forward to reading more of your posts on the Tara thread.

Thank you, I look forward to your post also.

[fsbiii]

Another tired generalization that gets us nowhere, Talla. I don't think Maude or BBSGA have been accused of either. Nor have many others. Your words overall sound polite and on the right path, but you have a sting still embedded there IMO.

And it's LONG HAUL GROUP, for the record! (Just joking w/ya there!)

If you post and are not a part of 'the long haul crew' you are acussed of 'nic-switching' or 'derailing'.

[readmylips]

"The searchers have been put through so much I doubt many will ever return."

Can you explain what that means? You've probably just surmised that from hearing or reading one-sided rants, but what does it mean?

I agree with RML that this whole "division" and "camps" thing has been beaten to death by a very small handful of people who chose subjectivity over objectivity and refused (and still do) to explore all avenues.

I don't know what is expected for this "everyone to just get along" theme? People are still doing what they can do to solve the case, each in their own way, each with their own opinions. I see no problem concerning camps and divisions unless someone makes it a problem and blows it out of context for attention.

That's just my thought for the day. No infractions, please! *LOL*

thank you fsbiii for offering some constructive input on the subject. please empty your mailbox. i need to send you an important message.

[bornNbred S.GA]

"The searchers have been put through so much I doubt many will ever return."

Can you explain what that means? You've probably just surmised that from hearing or reading one-sided rants, but what does it mean?

I agree with RML that this whole "division" and "camps" thing has been beaten to death by a very small handful of people who chose subjectivity over objectivity and refused (and still do) to explore all avenues.

I don't know what is expected for this "everyone to just get along" theme? People are still doing what they can do to solve the case, each in their own way, each with their own opinions. I see no problem concerning camps and divisions unless someone makes it a problem and blows it out of context for attention.



That's just my thought for the day. No infractions, please! *LOL*

IMO

In any missing person investigation, many "groups" are "put through so much".
The perfect example is the present Tara Grant case you have many of the same groups with their own set of issues to bring to the table. Imagine the stress in being a friend or family member of Steve Grants

In cases groups form
-the family of the victim
-the family/families of the P('s) O I
-the friends of all (finding their own collective groups)
-the interested people who volunteer to help physically in person as well as online
-the various levels of LE and right on up that ladder-(lawyers,judges,city/county/state/national govt officials) depending on how far the case goes up...

Add the media and how it chooses to color its coverage and there are brand new issues placed on the various groups.

Many of the same groups formed naturally in the Tara Grant case as did in the Tara Grinstead case. Thankfully, in Tara Grant's case the person charged with her murder was flushed out before the camps were forced into major divisions causing some to work destructively against each other and resulting in added difficulty in solving the case.

I'm new here but I have to differ with the opinions of some here that these divisions did not hurt the ultimate efforts of Finding Tara Grinstead.

I am confident that they did hurt this case and that they continue to hurt it.

That is the main reason I decided to join here. The overall lack of measurable activity in the search today to find Tara is of great concern to me. I chose to become more involved in hopes of doing some tiny something to help improve that situation.

Only finding Tara will tell if any of us were really able to help any, in my opinion.

[readmylips]

IMO

In any missing person investigation, many "groups" are "put through so much".
The perfect example is the present Tara Grant case you have many of the same groups with their own set of issues to bring to the table. Imagine the stress in being a friend or family member of Steve Grants

In cases groups form
-the family of the victim
-the family/families of the P('s) O I
-the friends of all (finding their own collective groups)
-the interested people who volunteer to help physically in person as well as online
-the various levels of LE and right on up that ladder-(lawyers,judges,city/county/state/national govt officials) depending on how far the case goes up...

Add the media and how it chooses to color its coverage and there are brand new issues placed on the various groups.

Many of the same groups formed naturally in the Tara Grant case as did in the Tara Grinstead case. Thankfully, in Tara Grant's case the person charged with her murder was flushed out before the camps were forced into major divisions causing some to work destructively against each other and resulting in added difficulty in solving the case.

I'm new here but I have to differ with the opinions of some here that these divisions did not hurt the ultimate efforts of Finding Tara Grinstead.

I am confident that they did hurt this case and that they continue to hurt it.

That is the main reason I decided to join here. The overall lack of measurable activity in the search today to find Tara is of great concern to me. I chose to become more involved in hopes of doing some tiny something to help improve that situation.

Only finding Tara will tell if any of us were really able to help any, in my opinion.

i will eagerly await news of your measurable activities that help improve the situation.

[concernedperson]

Snipped from BornNbred S. Ga.. . I'm new here but I have to differ with the opinions of some here that these divisions did not hurt the ultimate efforts of Finding Tara Grinstead.

I am confident that they did hurt this case and that they continue to hurt it.

That is the main reason I decided to join here. The overall lack of measurable activity in the search today to find Tara is of great concern to me. I chose to become more involved in hopes of doing some tiny something to help improve that situation.

Only finding Tara will tell if any of us were really able to help any, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

You may be new here but all of your points are well taken. The divisions did hurt and from my arm chair it is ongoing. The fact that the searches and investigation to date have yielded no results only prove the point further.

There is still no Tara found and there have been no arrests after 16 plus months. It is obvious someone knows something but is refusing to share the info....whether it is the perp or a family member/friend of the perp who has some piece of the puzzle. The effort will continue and if any of us bring one tiny thing to help....hooray for the good guys.

JMO.

[fsbiii]

I think we're on different wavelengths concerning my post to Talla, but your thoughts are duly noted. What is a "lack of measurable activity in the search," in your opinion? That phrase seems difficult to define, IMO. People are pegging along doing what they can to find her, what "measure" is there? She's found, or she's missing. Between those 2 points is where we should continue to work, IMO.

IMO

In any missing person investigation, many "groups" are "put through so much".
The perfect example is the present Tara Grant case you have many of the same groups with their own set of issues to bring to the table. Imagine the stress in being a friend or family member of Steve Grants

In cases groups form
-the family of the victim
-the family/families of the P('s) O I
-the friends of all (finding their own collective groups)
-the interested people who volunteer to help physically in person as well as online
-the various levels of LE and right on up that ladder-(lawyers,judges,city/county/state/national govt officials) depending on how far the case goes up...

Add the media and how it chooses to color its coverage and there are brand new issues placed on the various groups.

Many of the same groups formed naturally in the Tara Grant case as did in the Tara Grinstead case. Thankfully, in Tara Grant's case the person charged with her murder was flushed out before the camps were forced into major divisions causing some to work destructively against each other and resulting in added difficulty in solving the case.

I'm new here but I have to differ with the opinions of some here that these divisions did not hurt the ultimate efforts of Finding Tara Grinstead.

I am confident that they did hurt this case and that they continue to hurt it.

That is the main reason I decided to join here. The overall lack of measurable activity in the search today to find Tara is of great concern to me. I chose to become more involved in hopes of doing some tiny something to help improve that situation.

Only finding Tara will tell if any of us were really able to help any, in my opinion.

[fsbiii]

How is the fact that no results have been obtained by searching and investigating "prove" that division among family-sanctioned efforts vs. other efforts "hurt" something? Isn't that just a guess? If everyone was of the same mindset and worked together without these disputes, do you think that would change things? How so, if so?

The divisions did hurt and from my arm chair it is ongoing. The fact that the searches and investigation to date have yielded no results only prove the point further.

[fsbiii]

consider it done!

thank you fsbiii for offering some constructive input on the subject. please empty your mailbox. i need to send you an important message.

[odette]

thank you fsbiii for offering some constructive input on the subject. please empty your mailbox. i need to send you an important message.

I was just going to ask you to clear out your mailbox too .. LOL :D

[bornNbred S.GA]

I think we're on different wavelengths concerning my post to Talla, but your thoughts are duly noted.


What is a "lack of measurable activity in the search," in your opinion?

That phrase seems difficult to define, IMO. People are pegging along doing what they can to find her, what "measure" is there? She's found, or she's missing. Between those 2 points is where we should continue to work, IMO.

You won't get a verbal battle in semantics from me when you so eloquently answered your own question two sentences later.

"Lack of measurable activity in the search" must therefore mean "pegging along".

[fsbiii]

I beg your pardon? I asked you what a "lack of measurable activity in the search" was. Can you answer the question without resorting so quickly to hostility? I hear a familiar tune already.

You won't get a verbal battle in semantics from me when you so eloquently answered your own question two sentences later.

"Lack of measurable activity in the search" must therefore mean "pegging along".

[concernedperson]

You won't get a verbal battle in semantics from me when you so eloquently answered your own question two sentences later.

"Lack of measurable activity in the search" must therefore mean "pegging along".

Heh, heh. New blood is what is needed on occasion, and group, I think we have a smart one. Welcome again BNBSG. You just gave me my first chuckle of the day.

Your insights are incredible and just what is needed to help search or offer opinions that can lead to Tara's discovery. I can see she is very importent to you.

[fsbiii]

And the familiar tune of a cheerleader to encourage the hostile remarks. Is this April 2006 again? Glad you're amused by this, cp. Chuckles mixed with begging despair, oh what a day. Pick a hat and stick with it, folks.

"Your insights are incredible"? That's where I chuckled.

Heh, heh. New blood is what is needed on occasion, and group, I think we have a smart one. Welcome again BNBSG. You just gave me my first chuckle of the day.

Your insights are incredible and just what is needed to help search or offer opinions that can lead to Tara's discovery. I can see she is very importent to you.

[TallaTonight]

I beg your pardon? I asked you what a "lack of measurable activity in the search" was. Can you answer the question without resorting so quickly to hostility? I hear a familiar tune already.

Oh, and who will you proclain this poster to be? If it does not go your way you tend to get upset. You did seem to answer your own question. *LOL*

[fsbiii]

:lol:

I won't PROCLAIM it to be anyone, Tally. I said the tune was familiar; just like many tunes are on here.

Enjoy your fun, I'll be the victim tonight.

What's not going my way? How childish a remark to make, Tally.

Oh, and who will you proclain this poster to be? If it does not go your way you tend to get upset. You did seem to answer your own question. *LOL*

[IrwinIndian]

what was he meaning? :shrug:

i will eagerly await news of your measurable activities that help improve the situation.

[TallaTonight]

:lol:

I won't PROCLAIM it to be anyone, Tally. I said the tune was familiar; just like many tunes are on here.

Enjoy your fun, I'll be the victim tonight.

What's not going my way? How childish a remark to make, Tally.

Fsbiii, If you are a victim I would fight for your rights as well. It is a terrible thing to be a victim and we as a society should fight for Victims Rights.

[fsbiii]

I feel better already.

Fsbiii, If you are a victim I would fight for your rights as well. It is a terrible thing to be a victim and we as a society should fight for Victims Rights.

[Results]

Hd's protection has been remarkable since the disapperance of Tara Grinstead. I figured that I would make contact with several individuals to try to get the real story. After verifying several accounts at 1st hand from my source this is what my sources had to say:

A source was leaked to me about a heated arguement between a GBI agent named Carl and Dominic Turner the night of the processing of Tara's house. The argument was supposedly over Tara's digital camera which contained a picture of Tara and Heath ****s at the Perry fair together. "Carl" wanted it taken into evidence....Dominic didnt. Carl was heard saying something along the lines of: "now that you know what you know you need to take that into evidence". Dominic responded with something like " He's already admitted they were seeing each other" and still refused to take it into evidence. This source that told me this walked out as he said the argument became "heated". The camera must have been taken B/c the recovery agent hired by Billy Grinstead couldnt find it in the house.

Now the question I have is where is the digital camera and the picture of Tara and HD? Was it taken into evidence? How did HD admit having a relationship with Tara to DT unless DT and HD talked before DT got to the house. Something isn't right here because the sheets were not taken and her clothes last worn were not taken. Now if we just knew how bad and what happened after the argument became heated. Still digging and will try to post one at a time of the information that I have received from a very reliable source. As I said before I don't have a link ... believe it or not. I believe the picture starts to get clearer. JMHO and now for #2......

[IrwinIndian]

did people get banned today, katmando in particular??

[fsbiii]

Maybe DT is the one who took the pic of Tara & Heath? Someone had to snap the pic, right?

I await the rest, Results. As usual, you've probably hit something hard that will get the attack dogs out tonight. I think I'm gonna lock the doors and draw the shades.

Wasn't DT the one who told K. Vickers that they had "got all they could get" out of the house when she asked him (somewhere in public) about why the clothes, car, and bedding was left at the house?

Hmmm.

Hd's protection has been remarkable since the disapperance of Tara Grinstead. I figured that I would make contact with several individuals to try to get the real story. After verifying several accounts at 1st hand from my source this is what my sources had to say:

A source was leaked to me about a heated arguement between a GBI agent named Carl and Dominic Turner the night of the processing of Tara's house. The argument was supposedly over Tara's digital camera which contained a picture of Tara and Heath ****s at the Perry fair together. "Carl" wanted it taken into evidence....Dominic didnt. Carl was heard saying something along the lines of: "now that you know what you know you need to take that into evidence". Dominic responded with something like " He's already admitted they were seeing each other" and still refused to take it into evidence. This source that told me this walked out as he said the argument became "heated". The camera must have been taken B/c the recovery agent hired by Billy Grinstead couldnt find it in the house.

Now the question I have is where is the digital camera and the picture of Tara and HD? Was it taken into evidence? How did HD admit having a relationship with Tara to DT unless DT and HD talked before DT got to the house. Something isn't right here because the sheets were not taken and her clothes last worn were not taken. Now if we just knew how bad and what happened after the argument became heated. Still digging and will try to post one at a time of the information that I have received from a very reliable source. As I said before I don't have a link ... believe it or not. I believe the picture starts to get clearer. JMHO and now for #2......

[Brainstorm]

I also believe the picture is becoming clearer. The truth always comes out...
JMHO

Prayer for wherever it needs to go........
JMHO

[IrwinIndian]

someone else could have taken the camera before the recovery guy got there, i'm thinking AG or LG maybe. they would not want the pic out there either. imo

Hd's protection has been remarkable since the disapperance of Tara Grinstead. I figured that I would make contact with several individuals to try to get the real story. After verifying several accounts at 1st hand from my source this is what my sources had to say:

A source was leaked to me about a heated arguement between a GBI agent named Carl and Dominic Turner the night of the processing of Tara's house. The argument was supposedly over Tara's digital camera which contained a picture of Tara and Heath ****s at the Perry fair together. "Carl" wanted it taken into evidence....Dominic didnt. Carl was heard saying something along the lines of: "now that you know what you know you need to take that into evidence". Dominic responded with something like " He's already admitted they were seeing each other" and still refused to take it into evidence. This source that told me this walked out as he said the argument became "heated". The camera must have been taken B/c the recovery agent hired by Billy Grinstead couldnt find it in the house.

Now the question I have is where is the digital camera and the picture of Tara and HD? Was it taken into evidence? How did HD admit having a relationship with Tara to DT unless DT and HD talked before DT got to the house. Something isn't right here because the sheets were not taken and her clothes last worn were not taken. Now if we just knew how bad and what happened after the argument became heated. Still digging and will try to post one at a time of the information that I have received from a very reliable source. As I said before I don't have a link ... believe it or not. I believe the picture starts to get clearer. JMHO and now for #2......

[Results]

From a several reliable sources from Ocilla this is what they had to say about the parking of HD's vehicles and he did have several that he did use. I was glad to confirm this was true. Here is the parking of the vehicles:

Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

These witnesses are people who live there and know!

It is of my opinion that this is true and correct from not one source but many.

[Brainstorm]

someone else could have taken the camera before the recovery guy got there, i'm thinking AG or LG maybe. they would not want the pic out there either. imo

Just quessing,but I would agree that AG & LG probably have the camera. I believe they knew,about the affair,so they took the camera,just in case...
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Thank you results! :rose: How very interesting.

[Brainstorm]

From a several reliable sources from Ocilla this is what they had to say about the parking of HD's vehicles and he did have several that he did use. I was glad to confirm this was true. Here is the parking of the vehicles:

Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

These witnesses are people who live there and know!

It is of my opinion that this is true and correct from not one source but many.

I believe this is very likely...........
YOU GO GIRL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Results=Results !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fsbiii]

IMO, if DT had this reaction on Day 1 to the picture of Tara and Heath, he should've immediately been taken off the case, especially if a fellow agent knew about it and was a party to the argument, etc.

This is extremely bothersome IMO. HD did not deserve protection, THEN or NOW.

[odette]

Maybe DT is the one who took the pic of Tara & Heath? Someone had to snap the pic, right?

I await the rest, Results. As usual, you've probably hit something hard that will get the attack dogs out tonight. I think I'm gonna lock the doors and draw the shades.

Wasn't DT the one who told K. Vickers that they had "got all they could get" out of the house when she asked him (somewhere in public) about why the clothes, car, and bedding was left at the house?

Hmmm.

Yes it was DT ...

Quote:
04-13-2006, 10:15 AM
longcoolwoman
Member Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 44

Just FYI, after the Greta piece where a film crew went into Tara's house I ran into GBI Agent Turner and point-blank asked him WHY that was allowed, why the house wasn't sealed off, and why the car and clothes weren't taken in for evidence. He told me that they (I'm assuming he meant the GBI) had gone through everything three times and had all the evidence they could get.
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=8802784&highlight=turner#post8802784


JMHO

[fsbiii]

THANKS, ODETTE!

Yes it was DT ...

JMHO

[Results]

I was told that a person that went to the GBI in Perry witnessed a guy fitting Heath's description hanging out with the GBI agents that day in the office laughing and joking, they said when he started to leave one of the female agents even said "goodbye Heath".

I was also told that DT ALLEGEDLY said something similar to this ..."Heath couldnt have done this....hes a close friend of mine".

So what is the GBI laughing a joking with a man that left his business card in the door of a missing woman? I find this conduct very unbecoming of LE Officers that are suppose to be on Tara's side not HD's. IF DT did indeed say this then HD sure has protection alot better then any of the men we have discussed. AG/LG/FG, DT, GBI laughing and joking with him what does this man have to worry about it? They scream justice justice justice and I scream truth truth truth.

It is not of my intention to get anyone in trouble but rather get off your hineys and do something about this situation. Tara has not been found and NO ONE DESERVES TO BE PROTECTED OR ABOVE THE LAW. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

IMO, if DT had this reaction on Day 1 to the picture of Tara and Heath, he should've immediately been taken off the case, especially if a fellow agent knew about it and was a party to the argument, etc.

This is extremely bothersome IMO. HD did not deserve protection, THEN or NOW.


HE certainly DOES NOT DESERVE PROTECTION
I cant believe this is happening !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God, help us all............please let the truths keep coming......
JMHO

[Results]

LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon. JMHO



What can we do ???
With all of us together,cant we REQUEST INFORMATION????????
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

From a several reliable sources from Ocilla this is what they had to say about the parking of HD's vehicles and he did have several that he did use. I was glad to confirm this was true. Here is the parking of the vehicles:

Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

These witnesses are people who live there and know!

It is of my opinion that this is true and correct from not one source but many.

I can't help but wonder if that Kid who saw the truck was mistaken about the make/model - Chevy vs this F-150. Grey could appear to be a dark color at night, IMO.

Was HD's vehicle ever searched or luminoled?

[Results]

According to my source Heath has often been referred to the "golden boy" at Perry P.D. Before Tara went missing everyone said he was next in line for the chief's position. I have been told he does not have that to look forward to now.

I sure hope this is true and I sure hope that someone will wake up and say NO ONE DESERVES PROTECTION AND NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW. JMHO

The above post 1 - 5 is asking and pesturing people to get the truth. I know that I have been a pest and will continue to be one to try to find the truth. I don't know where Tara is nor do I know if she is alive or not but what I do know is people need to start talking so there maybe some glimpse of hope in bringing her home. I will keep digging and researching and if I find anything as always I will share what I know. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

According to my source Heath has often been referred to the "golden boy" at Perry P.D. Before Tara went missing everyone said he was next in line for the chief's position. I have been told he does not have that to look forward to now.

I sure hope this is true and I sure hope that someone will wake up and say NO ONE DESERVES PROTECTION AND NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW. JMHO

The above post 1 - 5 is asking and pesturing people to get the truth. I know that I have been a pest and will continue to be one to try to find the truth. I don't know where Tara is nor do I know if she is alive or not but what I do know is people need to start talking so there maybe some glimpse of hope in bringing her home. I will keep digging and researching and if I find anything as always I will share what I know. JMHO

Thank you Results............
if we make enought noise,people will join in and the truth is/will come out
JMHO

[Results]

Thank you Results............
if we make enought noise,people will join in and the truth is/will come out
JMHO

I do hope the truth will start coming out and I won't stop trying to bring it out.

[bornNbred S.GA]

I beg your pardon? I asked you what a "lack of measurable activity in the search" was. Can you answer the question without resorting so quickly to hostility? I hear a familiar tune already.

LOL. Thank you ever so kindly for the compliment, fsbii. I can see that the two of us could become fast friends.

[fsbiii]

More games and innuendo. And here I thought we were over that... dern.

LOL. Thank you ever so kindly for the compliment, fsbii. I can see that the two of us could become fast friends.

[odette]

I do hope the truth will start coming out and I won't stop trying to bring it out.

Oh My :eek:

Looks to me like someone should be investigating the Investigator/s!!.

Great work Results! :beer:

JMHO

[fsbiii]

Wasn't that the title to popcorn's powerpoint presentation? He just had his magnifying glass on the wrong investigator, IMO.

http://www.13wmaz.com/assetpool/images/0631019910_tara%20criminologist%20Bin%20Clip.jpg2. jpg

Oh My :eek:

Looks to me like someone should be investigating the Investigator/s!!.

Great work Results! :beer:

JMHO

[concernedperson]

Oh, and who will you proclain this poster to be? If it does not go your way you tend to get upset. You did seem to answer your own question. *LOL*

I guess you noticed that too. It will be interesting to see how this new poster fits in the delusional web of ravings of the little devil. I would bet 100.00 bucks that he would be wrong.JMO.

[fsbiii]

You're not worth it, cp. I won't waste the keystrokes.

I guess you noticed that too. It will be interesting to see how this new poster fits in the delusional web of ravings of the little devil. I would bet 100.00 bucks that he would be wrong.JMO.

[dixinites]

SNIP.The thing that has worried me about this case IS No one has ever seemed to be enough. Everyone that has ever taken a stand in the Tara Grinstead case has came upon strong opposition.<SNIP

What does this mean exactly???


SNIP> If you post and are not a part of 'the long haul crew' you are acussed of 'nic-switching' or 'derailing'. <SNIP

This is simply not true. Period. I speak both from personal experience as a poster who was NOT here from the beginning. Also from observation of newcomers who have done their homework before posting and actually contribute, as opposed to making accusations and exaggerated statements regarding other members.

I am very curious, too, about how arguments on a message board could possibly hinder an investigation. Can someone clear this up for me?

While I can certainly understand how a message board can come up with
new information and ideas that may HELP a case, I don't see how any arguments between the members could harm a case by any stretch of my imagination...

[IrwinIndian]

why did u say centerville, ga should be searched in another thread?

I guess you noticed that too. It will be interesting to see how this new poster fits in the delusional web of ravings of the little devil. I would bet 100.00 bucks that he would be wrong.JMO.

[dixinites]

You won't get a verbal battle in semantics from me when you so eloquently answered your own question two sentences later.

"Lack of measurable activity in the search" must therefore mean "pegging along".

So are you saying that if they are not moving the investigation forward by leaps and bounds that they should cease "pegging"?

And I still don't understand how differing opinions on who the perp was in this case has resulted in Tara not being found. Maybe you can clarify this, in
100 words or less, please.

[odette]

Wasn't that the title to popcorn's powerpoint presentation? He just had his magnifying glass on the wrong investigator, IMO.

http://www.13wmaz.com/assetpool/images/0631019910_tara%20criminologist%20Bin%20Clip.jpg2. jpg

I guess that it all boils down to, "Who Watches The Watchman?".

JMHO

[concernedperson]

I would venture to say he isn't the only one that watches. Many of us do. We also hope for one modicum of truth which has yet to surface.

[dixinites]

I can't help but wonder if that Kid who saw the truck was mistaken about the make/model - Chevy vs this F-150. Grey could appear to be a dark color at night, IMO.

Was HD's vehicle ever searched or luminoled?

The only "grey" color F150s come in is CHARCOAL...Very dark grey and looks black at nite.

[TallaTonight]

I guess you noticed that too. It will be interesting to see how this new poster fits in the delusional web of ravings of the little devil. I would bet 100.00 bucks that he would be wrong.JMO.

What is the old saying "divide and conquer" well I have seen that in the short time I have been here. It is so very odd that all opinions are not of interest. I have read the ones provided for quite some time and we are no closer to the end than when we began. I have seen the same points come up over and over by the same people then when someone else posts something similar all heck breaks loose. Its all smoke and mirrors. IF not that it is gibberish. Just keep on doing what you know is right and ignore all things but Tara and her return. No one has exclusive rights here because as of yet it is not set to private. New opinions, new theories, new ideas are needed.
*LOL* I am not a betting woman but it does sound like a winner to me. I have been accused of being everyone but TallaTonight! Waste of time, Tara is still gone.

[odette]

I would venture to say he isn't the only one that watches. Many of us do. We also hope for one modicum of truth which has yet to surface.

I wasn't referring to Godwin when I said "Who Watches The Watchman?". I was referring to GBI Agent DT. Who is watching him, is what I would like to know?.

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

The only "grey" color F150s come in is CHARCOAL...Very dark grey and looks black at nite.

I wasn't sure if it was the darker grey color - thanks.

[fsbiii]

When you share anything new, let me know. All opinions are of interest to me, but expect someone to dispute you and don't throw up the "Long Haul" card everytime you get a chance. You go on and on with this same post each day, but what good does it do? I think it makes you feel good to say it, and hear 1 or 2 people agree with you...and then we wait for the next replay a day later.

I've been on here since November 2005, I won't apologize for it. I don't believe any division or conquering is going on. I just don't think you add much but antagonism and back patting, but I'm waiting for something new.

What is the old saying "divide and conquer" well I have seen that in the short time I have been here. It is so very odd that all opinions are not of interest. I have read the ones provided for quite some time and we are no closer to the end than when we began. I have seen the same points come up over and over by the same people then when someone else posts something similar all heck breaks loose. Its all smoke and mirrors. IF not that it is gibberish. Just keep on doing what you know is right and ignore all things but Tara and her return. No one has exclusive rights here because as of yet it is not set to private. New opinions, new theories, new ideas are needed.
*LOL* I am not a betting woman but it does sound like a winner to me. I have been accused of being everyone but TallaTonight! Waste of time, Tara is still gone.

[Results]

I wasn't sure if it was the darker grey color - thanks.

O2S I wasn't ignoring you sorry I didn't respond. I had it on my list to ask was it dark grey or light grey. I'm glad Dixi told us I also send to her my thanks.

[dixinites]

O2S I wasn't ignoring you sorry I didn't respond. I had it on my list to ask was it dark grey or light grey. I'm glad Dixi told us I also send to her my thanks.

You're welcome...and FWII, Ford and Chev trucks have similar body styles. I could see where they might be confused, especially at night, with someone yelling obscenities at you and trying to recall the event.

[Results]

I wasn't referring to Godwin when I said "Who Watches The Watchman?". I was referring to GBI Agent DT. Who is watching him, is what I would like to know?.

JMHO

ITA! I also wonder who is watching HD I'm sure noone is at the GBI office. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Very frustrating to see this type of behavior. Maybe we should do what BS suggested if we make enough noise maybe they will do something. Maybe a press release is needed. Somebody has to stand up and take notice of this situation. How can they ignore this? JMHO

[Atok]

Results has posted about 5 new informative posts tonight, yet all I see is interruptions to them that are bantering about personal BS.

STOP IT ALREADY.

I want to thank Results for digging up this information, for laying it out in a fashion that makes for interesting conversation/speculation that is ABOUT THIS CASE DIRECTLY. If you ignore the posts in between you can read
information gathered from just one web sleuther about whether or not HD's place in this picture is more than was thought in Oct 2005 and if it was being disregarded due to personal bias on the part of an investigator friend early on.

This is the point of the board. To discuss what's uncovered. Every stone.

Where is that camera?
What does the film show?
Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!
What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."
HD's visit with a friend on River road he rarely connects with at of all times, THAT weekend..
Snippets of his activities gradually leaked out over the past two years instead of freely offered up front and immediately...

These are serious dots that are not connected completely. They have to be investigated by someone with no connection to HD or any of the local Georgian authorities. So much time has been wasted because of protecting one "good man's name."

Read the posts by Results again without prejudice over whether or not you like her personally and tell me she isn't trying to find out the truth.

READ THESE GBI.

[One2Snoop]

What is the old saying "divide and conquer" well I have seen that in the short time I have been here. It is so very odd that all opinions are not of interest. I have read the ones provided for quite some time and we are no closer to the end than when we began. I have seen the same points come up over and over by the same people then when someone else posts something similar all heck breaks loose. Its all smoke and mirrors. IF not that it is gibberish. Just keep on doing what you know is right and ignore all things but Tara and her return. No one has exclusive rights here because as of yet it is not set to private. New opinions, new theories, new ideas are needed.
*LOL* I am not a betting woman but it does sound like a winner to me. I have been accused of being everyone but TallaTonight! Waste of time, Tara is still gone.

Pass the whine please. :rolleyes: Good gawd if you want to talk about Tara then talk about her and stop your incessant whining - Do you have anything new to add in the ongoing search for Tara? :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

Results has posted about 5 new informative posts tonight, yet all I see is interruptions to them that are bantering about personal BS.

STOP IT ALREADY.

I want to thank Results for digging up this information, for laying it out in a fashion that makes for interesting conversation/speculation that is ABOUT THIS CASE DIRECTLY. If you ignore the posts in between you can read
information gathered from just one web sleuther about whether or not HD's place in this picture is more than was thought in Oct 2005 and if it was being disregarded due to personal bias on the part of an investigator friend early on.

This is the point of the board. To discuss what's uncovered. Every stone.

Where is that camera?
What does the film show?
Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!
What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."
HD's visit with a friend on River road he rarely connects with at of all times, THAT weekend..
Snippets of his activities gradually leaked out over the past two years instead of freely offered up front and immediately...

These are serious dots that are not connected completely. They have to be investigated by someone with no connection to HD or any of the local Georgian authorities. So much time has been wasted because of protecting one "good man's name."

Read the posts by Results again without prejudice over whether or not you like her personally and tell me she isn't trying to find out the truth.

READ THESE GBI.

ITA Atok. :beer:

[Its just me]

IMO

In any missing person investigation, many "groups" are "put through so much".
The perfect example is the present Tara Grant case you have many of the same groups with their own set of issues to bring to the table. Imagine the stress in being a friend or family member of Steve Grants

In cases groups form
-the family of the victim
-the family/families of the P('s) O I
-the friends of all (finding their own collective groups)
-the interested people who volunteer to help physically in person as well as online
-the various levels of LE and right on up that ladder-(lawyers,judges,city/county/state/national govt officials) depending on how far the case goes up...

Add the media and how it chooses to color its coverage and there are brand new issues placed on the various groups.

Many of the same groups formed naturally in the Tara Grant case as did in the Tara Grinstead case. Thankfully, in Tara Grant's case the person charged with her murder was flushed out before the camps were forced into major divisions causing some to work destructively against each other and resulting in added difficulty in solving the case.

I'm new here but I have to differ with the opinions of some here that these divisions did not hurt the ultimate efforts of Finding Tara Grinstead.

I am confident that they did hurt this case and that they continue to hurt it.

That is the main reason I decided to join here. The overall lack of measurable activity in the search today to find Tara is of great concern to me. I chose to become more involved in hopes of doing some tiny something to help improve that situation.

Only finding Tara will tell if any of us were really able to help any, in my opinion.


I personally disagree that a message board has harmed the search for Tara. It is possible a division among the people closely involved could harm a case if someone was prevented from speaking out with evidence they may have and I can not see where this has happened but I'm not closely involved with any of the main players such as friends of family, friends of LE, close friends of a poi. I have been assured the LE reads the message board and I believe much information has been gained by LE by reading.
A message board is the same as a town hall meeting giving every one an opportunity to speak and to know what is happening in their community. An example is a nearby county that has a lot of controversy in the local government and there is a newspaper reporter that is at every open meeting who will publicly quote exactly what anyone states in an article for the newspaper. By being bold enough to do this much has been brought to the attention of the citizens and many would never have known anything if not for a good media person willing to print the truth. There has been a lot of discussion on ctv that has gone beyond Tara or a poi but in doing so it has made me aware of things and allowed me to make up my own mind on what may be trash or truth and some things I have just put on the shelf because I had no opinion. I certainly have more knowledge about this case than I would with out information presented here and I strongly believe this is also the case with the LE. Why would they bother to read if this was not the case.
The members here have dwindled but I don't think anyone has been run off. Some who follow cases may have moved on to other cases they thought were more interesting, many have left because they have been banned by FW and it was for good cause. There are members who continue to pop in and out but not regular posters. Occasionally we get new members and some stay a short time and some are still here, it depends on their purpose for being here. If any member is sincere in their search for the truth in Tara's case they join in the serious discussions of a poi and also help with posters who come here only to find fault with things other than a difference of opinion of what may have happened to Tara and eventually their purpose is clear to FW and they are banned. I am sure it would be best to ignore this kind of poster but this goes back to my example I used of a near by county. Last week at a commissioners meeting they had a person who would not shut up, would not listen and was not willing to discuss what was being discussed so he had to be publicly sat down and not allowed to speak his nonsense anymore and the people in the meeting that was interested in getting problems solved finally got to go forward with their discussions. Things in real life and life on a message board kind of work the same in my opinion.
There are several members here on ctv that call us the “long haul group”. Trust me, the only thing the long haul group means is it identifies the members who have been here and managed to survived much ridicule for voicing our opinions and have the determination to stay here digging for the truth and strong enough to stand when it’s time to stand and sensible enough to defend this message board against posters who come with an agenda that has nothing to do with Tara or the truth. MHOO
BTW The “long haul group” is open to anyone who are here for the long haul searching for the truth.

[dixinites]

When you share anything new, let me know. All opinions are of interest to me, but expect someone to dispute you and don't throw up the "Long Haul" card everytime you get a chance. You go on and on with this same post each day, but what good does it do? I think it makes you feel good to say it, and hear 1 or 2 people agree with you...and then we wait for the next replay a day later.

I've been on here since November 2005, I won't apologize for it. I don't believe any division or conquering is going on. I just don't think you add much but antagonism and back patting, but I'm waiting for something new.

I agree, this "Victim's Rights" stance has become tiresome, to say the least. Nobody's picking on the newbies. A little more "cheese" and a little less "whine" would be welcomed by everyone...

Talla, you never answered my questions regarding how arguments between posters and differing opinions on the identity of the POI's have slowed Tara's case to a standstill. Perhaps you missed the posts...

[concernedperson]

Results has posted about 5 new informative posts tonight, yet all I see is interruptions to them that are bantering about personal BS.

STOP IT ALREADY.

I want to thank Results for digging up this information, for laying it out in a fashion that makes for interesting conversation/speculation that is ABOUT THIS CASE DIRECTLY. If you ignore the posts in between you can read
information gathered from just one web sleuther about whether or not HD's place in this picture is more than was thought in Oct 2005 and if it was being disregarded due to personal bias on the part of an investigator friend early on.

This is the point of the board. To discuss what's uncovered. Every stone.

Where is that camera?
What does the film show?
Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!
What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."
HD's visit with a friend on River road he rarely connects with at of all times, THAT weekend..
Snippets of his activities gradually leaked out over the past two years instead of freely offered up front and immediately...

These are serious dots that are not connected completely. They have to be investigated by someone with no connection to HD or any of the local Georgian authorities. So much time has been wasted because of protecting one "good man's name."

Read the posts by Results again without prejudice over whether or not you like her personally and tell me she isn't trying to find out the truth.

READ THESE GBI.

I agree read everything.Then evaluate whether you choose to believe it or not. Unless a link is provided then it is just speculation. If you believe the poster than that is a home run. I choose not to.

I agree HD's behavior is odd. But I think it is because he was having an affair and that is typical behavior.The phone calls say something different to me. He acted like a love sick puppy and I have said that before.

Everything posted could be interpreted in a different way. I can only assume this is the perp of choice since every other considered perp has been eliminated by the powers that be. Frankly, I have my own thoughts. Some more enlightened lately

I hope and pray GBI is reading.

[odette]

Results has posted about 5 new informative posts tonight, yet all I see is interruptions to them that are bantering about personal BS.

STOP IT ALREADY.

I want to thank Results for digging up this information, for laying it out in a fashion that makes for interesting conversation/speculation that is ABOUT THIS CASE DIRECTLY. If you ignore the posts in between you can read
information gathered from just one web sleuther about whether or not HD's place in this picture is more than was thought in Oct 2005 and if it was being disregarded due to personal bias on the part of an investigator friend early on.

This is the point of the board. To discuss what's uncovered. Every stone.

Where is that camera?
What does the film show?
Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!
What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."
HD's visit with a friend on River road he rarely connects with at of all times, THAT weekend..
Snippets of his activities gradually leaked out over the past two years instead of freely offered up front and immediately...

These are serious dots that are not connected completely. They have to be investigated by someone with no connection to HD or any of the local Georgian authorities. So much time has been wasted because of protecting one "good man's name."

Read the posts by Results again without prejudice over whether or not you like her personally and tell me she isn't trying to find out the truth.

READ THESE GBI.

Thank you Atok .. ITA

There is a whole lot to think about regarding this information that Results posted here tonight. Quite frankly, I am just flabbergasted .. as you say ..

"Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!"

I couldn't agree with you more ..

JMHO

[dixinites]

Thank you Results for the info you shared with us tonight, particularly regarding the camera. I hope it ended up in the hands of the authorities, but I don't know how we would find that out. Two steps forward, one step back...keep on "pegging".

[Its just me]

Results has posted about 5 new informative posts tonight, yet all I see is interruptions to them that are bantering about personal BS.

STOP IT ALREADY.

I want to thank Results for digging up this information, for laying it out in a fashion that makes for interesting conversation/speculation that is ABOUT THIS CASE DIRECTLY. If you ignore the posts in between you can read
information gathered from just one web sleuther about whether or not HD's place in this picture is more than was thought in Oct 2005 and if it was being disregarded due to personal bias on the part of an investigator friend early on.

This is the point of the board. To discuss what's uncovered. Every stone.

Where is that camera?
What does the film show?
Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!
What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."
HD's visit with a friend on River road he rarely connects with at of all times, THAT weekend..
Snippets of his activities gradually leaked out over the past two years instead of freely offered up front and immediately...

These are serious dots that are not connected completely. They have to be investigated by someone with no connection to HD or any of the local Georgian authorities. So much time has been wasted because of protecting one "good man's name."

Read the posts by Results again without prejudice over whether or not you like her personally and tell me she isn't trying to find out the truth.

READ THESE GBI.

Good post Atok, Results has brought this to the board and it is one of the most serious issues of Tara's case. I hope the connection with the FBI friend will go through and hope Results posts are copied and shown to the fbi friend. I plan to copy them and send them to Cheif Hancock. It's time the people concerned about this case to take a stand and a stand together. This kind of mess has gone on for too long.

[hypnotized]

Good post Atok, Results has brought this to the board and it is one of the most serious issues of Tara's case. I hope the connection with the FBI friend will go through and hope Results posts are copied and shown to the fbi friend. I plan to copy them and send them to Cheif Hancock. It's time the people concerned about this case to take a stand and a stand together. This kind of mess has gone on for too long.

KUDOS to Results! Excellent post!
Thank you to Atok for bringing Results post back to our attention.

Ijm...this is an excellent idea! Sharing this info with Hancock may bring info to light that he may have not focused on previously.

:beer: for you all!

[Its just me]

I agree read everything.Then evaluate whether you choose to believe it or not. Unless a link is provided then it is just speculation. If you believe the poster than that is a home run. I choose not to.

I agree HD's behavior is odd. But I think it is because he was having an affair and that is typical behavior.The phone calls say something different to me. He acted like a love sick puppy and I have said that before.

Everything posted could be interpreted in a different way. I can only assume this is the perp of choice since every other considered perp has been eliminated by the powers that be. Frankly, I have my own thoughts. Some more enlightened lately

I hope and pray GBI is reading.

CP with my knowledge of GBI past actions I do not question what Results posted in the least and it follows a pattern of the GBI I have seen more than one time. The GBI actions does not make HD guilty but Tara deserves an investigation that will look into every possibility equally. I will take a stand for Results and say I KNOW she is a person who speaks the truth and no personal feelings come into play. She has PROVEN to be a truthful person on more than one ocassion and at times is has been very difficult for some to accept but in the end the truth will always stand.

[Its just me]

I agree read everything.Then evaluate whether you choose to believe it or not. Unless a link is provided then it is just speculation. If you believe the poster than that is a home run. I choose not to.

I agree HD's behavior is odd. But I think it is because he was having an affair and that is typical behavior.The phone calls say something different to me. He acted like a love sick puppy and I have said that before.

Everything posted could be interpreted in a different way. I can only assume this is the perp of choice since every other considered perp has been eliminated by the powers that be. Frankly, I have my own thoughts. Some more enlightened lately

I hope and pray GBI is reading.

CP you and I have known each other for quite a while and you know every poi has not been eliminated. I don't think anyone can say anyone or anything has been eliminated and you know more than one poster has stated this in many posts. Yes HD has been the topic for quite some time and I certainly respect your thought that HD acted like a love sick puppy and one can not say this will not end up and be just exactly what happened. But for someone to stick their head in the sand and say there is no possiblity HD could be involved in not being reasonable and I am afraid some may be letting personal feeling play a part in their thinking. JMHOO and it's posted with love

[Atok]

I agree read everything.Then evaluate whether you choose to believe it or not. Unless a link is provided then it is just speculation. If you believe the poster than that is a home run. I choose not to.

I agree HD's behavior is odd. But I think it is because he was having an affair and that is typical behavior.The phone calls say something different to me. He acted like a love sick puppy and I have said that before.

Everything posted could be interpreted in a different way. I can only assume this is the perp of choice since every other considered perp has been eliminated by the powers that be. Frankly, I have my own thoughts. Some more enlightened lately

I hope and pray GBI is reading.

I highlighted the section of this post which I found more interesting. I am interested in how the data we've all been discussing together can be seen in another way. I'm very interested in this new perspective.

What new information has come to light for you that has determined that your new perspective is more enlightened... lately?

I know this board has had it's tiffs and tats and personal slights, but I am not mocking here. I would like to be more enlightened than I was as well.

Please help me see this new angle. If you can't do this on the board my PM box is always open, though hardly used. You can ask me not to share it and I won't. I really am curious. To dismiss all of Results speculation and info straight out of hand is also interesting to me, because I never noticed you having trouble with her offering of information as it pertained to the Tara case directly, in the past.

[dixinites]

Did anyone else here see the movie "Princess Bride"? There is a scene where two people keep switching glasses of poisoned wine when the other is not looking...That's how I feel about the messages on the answering machine and the card left by HD. Did he leave them because he was very smart, did he leave them because he was very dumb, or did he leave them because he isn't guilty? If there were NO other signs pointing to him as the perp, I would think the latter, but there are many, IMO. If he is guilty, he could have played the card of "No one would think I would be dumb enough to connect myself to the scene".

I'm trying to figure out a scenario where Tara was finally convinced to see him on Sunday AFTER all the calls were made and he couldn't get back into the house to erase the messages.

[scubadvr99]

Results has posted about 5 new informative posts tonight, yet all I see is interruptions to them that are bantering about personal BS.

STOP IT ALREADY.

I want to thank Results for digging up this information, for laying it out in a fashion that makes for interesting conversation/speculation that is ABOUT THIS CASE DIRECTLY. If you ignore the posts in between you can read
information gathered from just one web sleuther about whether or not HD's place in this picture is more than was thought in Oct 2005 and if it was being disregarded due to personal bias on the part of an investigator friend early on.

This is the point of the board. To discuss what's uncovered. Every stone.

Where is that camera?
What does the film show?
Why was DT, a personal friend of HD's even on the investigative team? UNCONSCIONABLE!
What other tips and information were ignored by DT because "HD wouldn't do that, he's a friend of mine..."
HD's visit with a friend on River road he rarely connects with at of all times, THAT weekend..
Snippets of his activities gradually leaked out over the past two years instead of freely offered up front and immediately...

These are serious dots that are not connected completely. They have to be investigated by someone with no connection to HD or any of the local Georgian authorities. So much time has been wasted because of protecting one "good man's name."

Read the posts by Results again without prejudice over whether or not you like her personally and tell me she isn't trying to find out the truth.

READ THESE GBI.


ITA Atok, I think an outside/independent agency should come in, if nothing else to review everything. Some things that were not important to others, may seem very important with fresh eyes.....

[TallaTonight]

LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon. JMHO



OK this is titled #4 - Statement from a LE Officer that was there
Results I am sure you have worked hard for this but are you telling us that there is a statement on record with LE, and I feel you must be talking about OPD, that [QUOTE=Results;8825186]LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

Now if this is not on public record that OPD is giving out how did you get this?
this is the second part There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

Was this given to you by LE in Ocilla or is it heresay?

I will say that if you talked directly with the officer and got this information you more than likely will cuse him to lose his job. But I cannot see a sworn officer telling you this.

I am trying to see this as information just given to you by LE but then I think about the oathes they have to make to hold their jobs. I am afraid as much as I would like to see this as written in stone, I can't. I am afraid its just more heresay that will be denied.

I am not protecting HD in anyway, I do not see him as my only POI but I do think he deserves to be questioned and I am sure he has been many times. But if we take all this that you have worked hard for it could be more confusing because it looks to be something soneone saw and probably added too or took away from it.

If I knew for a fact these boards are read by LE nd GBI, I would be very careful wht I stated as absolute fact and LE records. If these people are quilty and go down they are taking these type post with them. Just post truth.
I think there was something between Tara and HD but I don't see it as a serious affair. Maybe they were together and my theory of the slap tht was to hard for such a small person as Tara resulted in death.

[Its just me]

OK this is titled #4 - Statement from a LE Officer that was there
Results I am sure you have worked hard for this but are you telling us that there is a statement on record with LE, and I feel you must be talking about OPD, that [QUOTE=Results;8825186]LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

Now if this is not on public record that OPD is giving out how did you get this?
this is the second part There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

Was this given to you by LE in Ocilla or is it heresay?

I will say that if you talked directly with the officer and got this information you more than likely will cuse him to lose his job. But I cannot see a sworn officer telling you this.

I am trying to see this as information just given to you by LE but then I think about the oathes they have to make to hold their jobs. I am afraid as much as I would like to see this as written in stone, I can't. I am afraid its just more heresay that will be denied.

I am not protecting HD in anyway, I do not see him as my only POI but I do think he deserves to be questioned and I am sure he has been many times. But if we take all this that you have worked hard for it could be more confusing because it looks to be something soneone saw and probably added too or took away from it.

If I knew for a fact these boards are read by LE nd GBI, I would be very careful wht I stated as absolute fact and LE records. If these people are quilty and go down they are taking these type post with them. Just post truth.
I think there was something between Tara and HD but I don't see it as a serious affair. Maybe they were together and my theory of the slap tht was to hard for such a small person as Tara resulted in death.

I was told by a person who was at the police station that HD arrived very early Monday morning. Just found out this information this week and have not discussed it with Results. With my information and Results being the same I think HD got to the PO station early.

I also was told that AG made many calls to HD after she arrived in Ocilla and during her stay. This was witnessed and I am sure there are phone records to prove it. Adding this because I had never established in my mind what kind of relationship AG and HD had. It was close enough to be making personal calls.

Don't know who Result got her information from but if you can't believe a sworn officer would talk to Results do a little snooping around and see if you can find out about a sworn officer tipping off a drug dealer the Task force was after.

[sogalady]

OK this is titled #4 - Statement from a LE Officer that was there
Results I am sure you have worked hard for this but are you telling us that there is a statement on record with LE, and I feel you must be talking about OPD, that [QUOTE=Results;8825186]LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

Now if this is not on public record that OPD is giving out how did you get this?
this is the second part There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

Was this given to you by LE in Ocilla or is it heresay?

I will say that if you talked directly with the officer and got this information you more than likely will cuse him to lose his job. But I cannot see a sworn officer telling you this.

I am trying to see this as information just given to you by LE but then I think about the oathes they have to make to hold their jobs. I am afraid as much as I would like to see this as written in stone, I can't. I am afraid its just more heresay that will be denied.

I am not protecting HD in anyway, I do not see him as my only POI but I do think he deserves to be questioned and I am sure he has been many times. But if we take all this that you have worked hard for it could be more confusing because it looks to be something soneone saw and probably added too or took away from it.

If I knew for a fact these boards are read by LE nd GBI, I would be very careful wht I stated as absolute fact and LE records. If these people are quilty and go down they are taking these type post with them. Just post truth.
I think there was something between Tara and HD but I don't see it as a serious affair. Maybe they were together and my theory of the slap tht was to hard for such a small person as Tara resulted in death.

Very confusing post to me, please explain. Titled#4 "Statement from a LE officer that was there"
( where is this statement and which LE officer was there ?,,, remember, this is YOUR statement) ??? :eek: Do you think that you will more than likely "cuse him to lose his job?"

I do not see him as my only POI but I think he deserves to be questioned and I am sure he has been many times"
Please share YOUR list of POI, I am sincerely interested in seeing YOUR list. Also, since you "are sure he has been questioned many times," please share , Was this given to you by LE in Ocilla or is this heresay?How are you so sure?
OH MY, the most extensive :eek: of all.... "If these people are guilty and they go down they are taking these type post with them"
WHO are these people and WHERE might they be taking THESE post?

OH NO, let's not forget , "I think there was something between Tara and HD but I don't see it as a serious affair".
The difference being ? something between/ serious affair ? Please just give the difference, (IYO,, of course) not sure what you mean when it involves one partner being married ???

Certainly by now even you understand the meaning of this post and I certainly would not want any of the information that you have worked hard for to be confused (any moreso than it already is) by someone adding to or taking away from it's "Oh, so sincere, intellectual , and ' new to the board' opinion",,,,,,,,(btw, that was my quote,,, NOT yours) by any of the previous post with such similar nonsense !

Please note: "His opinion",,IMHO, JMHO, actually have a meaning,, do you know what they are ?,,,,,,,,,,,apparently not. but please, by all means, take a hint, this is REALLY getting OLD !

[Its just me]

I can see a sworn officer discussing this with Results 100%. It is not the first time an LE officer has come forward and told what goes on within the GBI. The officer turned and walked out and I am sure was totally disgusted with what the GBI was doing yet on another case. I have not idea who Results spoke with but I will bet it was OPD. I know nothing about the camera but I think is is a proven fact that Tara's clothers and the linens were left at Tara's house, Even I have never understood this but it is beginning to get more clear. As far as my post being used by anyone especially the GBI nothing would suit me better than to get into a court room with them. Some of them will lie and some of them will cover up and this is not my opinion but a fact.

[fsbiii]

Regardless of who believes you and why, EXCELLENT WORK, RESULTS! Just like the incident report, there are those who would rather deny it or claim "oh, this can't be"...but eventually they quieten down once and see they were wrong. You won't see anyone refute or deny the information you've presented, either. You will only see subtle attempts to discredit it. That's their right, but it doesn't mean much if you know what is truth and what is spin. JMOO, and thanks for sharing!

[sogalady]

Very, very doubtful that this is not obvious,,,,, but "IF" there is anyone who does not understand,,,,,the above post subject heading/ "Title" (in reference to the "All Hail" icon) was intended for none other than "RESULTS" .

[fsbiii]

I agree with these 2 posters' opinions and inquiries, 100%.

But for someone to stick their head in the sand and say there is no possiblity HD could be involved in not being reasonable and I am afraid some may be letting personal feeling play a part in their thinking.

To dismiss all of Results speculation and info straight out of hand is also interesting to me, because I never noticed you having trouble with her offering of information as it pertained to the Tara case directly, in the past.

[Its just me]

It is also becoming clear why the car was released and ended up getting washed. It is also becoming clear what DT's name was removed as the contact person. Too bad he was replaced by another snake in the grass. There are good GBI and it appears DT had the lead (higher rank) and the other GBI "tried" to do a proper investigation. No doubt the GBI who disagreed with DT told of this event but the normal procedure for the GBI is to sweep it under the rug and most of the time the GBI office who complains will be moved to a different district GBI office. It would be interesting to know if this is what happened in this case.

[Its just me]

It is also becoming clear why the car was released and ended up getting washed. It is also becoming clear what DT's name was removed as the contact person. Too bad he was replaced by another snake in the grass. There are good GBI and it appears DT had the lead (higher rank) and the other GBI "tried" to do a proper investigation. No doubt the GBI who disagreed with DT told of this event but the normal procedure for the GBI is to sweep it under the rug and most of the time the GBI officer who complains will be moved to a different district GBI office. It would be interesting to know if this is what happened in this case.

[Its just me]

Concerning the linens and Tara's clothes and the statement that the GBI got all the information needed the first day. There was probably a crime scene van but there are only a few test that can be done by district GBI offices. All forensic testing can only be done at the lab in Atlanta at the GBI headquarters. But there are proven facts this is not always the case.

[fsbiii]

I think "much" = none! JMOO.

Godwin must have been trying to please someone and impress others. And do it all in a big rush. Much of his reported evidence never panned out.
JMHO

[Results]

Just a note to you:

I had a hard time getting that AV Incident Report but I got it finally. I E-mailed Chief Hancock and posted his reply in here BTW HE IMO SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THIS INVESTIGATION. You keep believing what you like and anybody else for that matter. My goal is to try to move this case forward and try with any resources that is reliable. If you truly read what I posted then in your mind you should be screaming WTH is going on since you claim you are here for Tara. See I'm not here for anybody but Tara therefore I'm going to keep digging for the truth and I don't care who likes it. JMHO

[fsbiii]

Let me know if you need a new shovel (or pitchfork) :) Dig on!

Just a note to you:

I had a hard time getting that AV Incident Report but I got it finally. I E-mailed Chief Hancock and posted his reply in here BTW HE IMO SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THIS INVESTIGATION. You keep believing what you like and anybody else for that matter. My goal is to try to move this case forward and try with any resources that is reliable. If you truly read what I posted then in your mind you should be screaming WTH is going on since you claim you are here for Tara. See I'm not here for anybody but Tara therefore I'm going to keep digging for the truth and I don't care who likes it. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Wow !! Except for Talla,still complaining,that was some NIGHT!!!!!!!
I'm reading again,it was almost too much..........Results........I believe what you post,.......

Just lead on.......

[Results]

Let me know if you need a new shovel (or pitchfork) :) Dig on!

Thank you! I will always try to dig for the truth you can bank on that or should I say bet on that! :biggrin:

[Brainstorm]

Just a note to you:

I had a hard time getting that AV Incident Report but I got it finally. I E-mailed Chief Hancock and posted his reply in here BTW HE IMO SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THIS INVESTIGATION. You keep believing what you like and anybody else for that matter. My goal is to try to move this case forward and try with any resources that is reliable. If you truly read what I posted then in your mind you should be screaming WTH is going on since you claim you are here for Tara. See I'm not here for anybody but Tara therefore I'm going to keep digging for the truth and I don't care who likes it. JMHO

We are here for you Results. I for one am screaming WTH is going on....
One bad cop, or GBI agent can not keep us from exposing the truth.....
Who the hell is he to make a judgement call about this case????????
JMHO

[Its just me]

Just a note to you:

I had a hard time getting that AV Incident Report but I got it finally. I E-mailed Chief Hancock and posted his reply in here BTW HE IMO SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THIS INVESTIGATION. You keep believing what you like and anybody else for that matter. My goal is to try to move this case forward and try with any resources that is reliable. If you truly read what I posted then in your mind you should be screaming WTH is going on since you claim you are here for Tara. See I'm not here for anybody but Tara therefore I'm going to keep digging for the truth and I don't care who likes it. JMHO

I 100% agree that Chief Hancock should be in charge of this investigation and the GBI completely removed and all their evidence should be turned over to Chief Hancock. If local people are not satisfied with this being handled by local LE there is a top notch Sheriff in Lowndes County and there is one of the most honest LE person I have ever met right in Irwin County who runs/owns (don't know) the old state prison that was built in Irwin County. To get the GBI to step down can be done but I think it would have to be done by the Gov. or the Attorney General's office for Georgia.

PS Sorry about posting a post twice have not idea how that happened but I am far from being a computer expert.:D

[Results]

Lets hope that NOONE can pressure CL into taking these post down. IF these post are taken down then that is all I need to know. JMHO

[Results]

I 100% agree that Chief Hancock should be in charge of this investigation and the GBI completely removed and all their evidence should be turned over to Chief Hancock. If local people are not satisfied with this being handled by local LE there is a top notch Sheriff in Lowndes County and there is one of the most honest LE person I have ever met right in Irwin County who runs/owns (don't know) the old state prison that was built in Irwin County. To get the GBI to step down can be done but I think it would have to be done by the Gov. or the Attorney General's office for Georgia.

PS Sorry about posting a post twice have not idea how that happened but I am far from being a computer expert.:D

That wasn't a mistake IJM! That was God saying it needed to be said twice! He sure works in mysterious ways! JMHO

[Results]

You know FW did a call for Action for Roxanne's case because the LE wouldn't do anything in Austin, TX. Maybe FW can do a Call for Action for Tara and send all the post made to the Gov. and the Atty General. What could it hurt. We should remove GBI and let an honest LE to take over like IJM suggested. If there are good honest men out there let them do their jobs since they know how to do it. Not bias, not protecting anyone and lets just get down to the truth. Let the cards fall where they may. It is past time to do something for Tara. I will send FW a PM and ask and anybody else that wants to please do so. Not taking the linens or the clothes never made sense to me UNTIL NOW! Its time for action! JMHO

[odette]

Hd's protection has been remarkable since the disapperance of Tara Grinstead. I figured that I would make contact with several individuals to try to get the real story. After verifying several accounts at 1st hand from my source this is what my sources had to say:

A source was leaked to me about a heated arguement between a GBI agent named Carl and Dominic Turner the night of the processing of Tara's house. The argument was supposedly over Tara's digital camera which contained a picture of Tara and Heath ****s at the Perry fair together. "Carl" wanted it taken into evidence....Dominic didnt. Carl was heard saying something along the lines of: "now that you know what you know you need to take that into evidence". Dominic responded with something like " He's already admitted they were seeing each other" and still refused to take it into evidence. This source that told me this walked out as he said the argument became "heated". The camera must have been taken B/c the recovery agent hired by Billy Grinstead couldnt find it in the house.

Now the question I have is where is the digital camera and the picture of Tara and HD? Was it taken into evidence? How did HD admit having a relationship with Tara to DT unless DT and HD talked before DT got to the house. Something isn't right here because the sheets were not taken and her clothes last worn were not taken. Now if we just knew how bad and what happened after the argument became heated. Still digging and will try to post one at a time of the information that I have received from a very reliable source. As I said before I don't have a link ... believe it or not. I believe the picture starts to get clearer. JMHO and now for #2......

" He's already admitted they were seeing each other" and still refused to take it into evidence."

So from this I take it that HD must have been in DT's ear BEFORE the house was processed. hmmmmmm :mad:

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

You know FW did a call for Action for Roxanne's case because the LE wouldn't do anything in Austin, TX. Maybe FW can do a Call for Action for Tara and send all the post made to the Gov. and the Atty General. What could it hurt. We should remove GBI and let an honest LE to take over like IJM suggested. If there are good honest men out there let them do their jobs since they know how to do it. Not bias, not protecting anyone and lets just get down to the truth. Let the cards fall where they may. It is past time to do something for Tara. I will send FW a PM and ask and anybody else that wants to please do so. Not taking the linens or the clothes never made sense to me UNTIL NOW! Its time for action! JMHO

I agree Results. Lets start a petition or something..........RIGHT HERE
JMHO

[odette]

From a several reliable sources from Ocilla this is what they had to say about the parking of HD's vehicles and he did have several that he did use. I was glad to confirm this was true. Here is the parking of the vehicles:

Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier

Witnessed Heath's vehicle parked behind the Masonic lodge at the corner of Irwin ave. and the street Tara lived on.

Witnessed Heath's truck and a Houston Co. govt car parked in her driveway

These witnesses are people who live there and know!

It is of my opinion that this is true and correct from not one source but many.

"Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier".

We need to find out if this grey Ford truck of HD was "charcoal grey" and could look in actuality ,"black", when viewed during the hours of darkness. I know that a "dark colored" truck was also seen at Tara's house around 06:00am on the Monday morning by someone on the way to the convenience store.

Ocilla ~ Monday October 24 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:43 am

JMHO

[odette]

I was told that a person that went to the GBI in Perry witnessed a guy fitting Heath's description hanging out with the GBI agents that day in the office laughing and joking, they said when he started to leave one of the female agents even said "goodbye Heath".

I was also told that DT ALLEGEDLY said something similar to this ..."Heath couldnt have done this....hes a close friend of mine".

So what is the GBI laughing a joking with a man that left his business card in the door of a missing woman? I find this conduct very unbecoming of LE Officers that are suppose to be on Tara's side not HD's. IF DT did indeed say this then HD sure has protection alot better then any of the men we have discussed. AG/LG/FG, DT, GBI laughing and joking with him what does this man have to worry about it? They scream justice justice justice and I scream truth truth truth.

It is not of my intention to get anyone in trouble but rather get off your hineys and do something about this situation. Tara has not been found and NO ONE DESERVES TO BE PROTECTED OR ABOVE THE LAW. JMHO

quote .. I was also told that DT ALLEGEDLY said something similar to this ..."Heath couldnt have done this....hes a close friend of mine". end quote

Soooo .. HD is allegedly a "close friend" of DT after all. My, my, my.

JMHO

[fsbiii]

Following this train of thought, what was HD driving when he was back in Ocilla in public view Monday morning? Gov't car or personal pickup? If he was over in the pickup before sunrise, why go home and come back in the gov't car, if he did?

"Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier".

We need to find out if this grey Ford truck of HD was "charcoal grey" and could look in actuality ,"black", when viewed during the hours of darkness. I know that a "dark colored" truck was also seen at Tara's house around 06:00am on the Monday morning by someone on the way to the convenience store.

Ocilla ~ Monday October 24 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:43 am

JMHO

[Results]

Following this train of thought, what was HD driving when he was back in Ocilla in public view Monday morning? Gov't car or personal pickup? If he was over in the pickup before sunrise, why go home and come back in the gov't car, if he did?

Very good thinking. We must find out what he was driving that Monday to the OPD.

[odette]

LE Officer said from day 1 that Heath ****s better be sweating bullets because he can be linked to the scene-by the business card left in the door. His opinion of the glove is that it appeared "staged" to him.

There seems to be a whole lot of staging going on IMHO including the phone calls that I have always felt were an over kill.

Also another question that I had was when was the arrival of HD. This is what the answer was to my question:

The comment made was that HD beat just about everybody to the OPD. Most people were arriving around 9:30 AM.

How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon. JMHO

"How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon. JMHO"

I wonder that myself Results .. In fact I'm beginning to wonder if HD was in Ocilla before daybreak that Monday morning. Could explain the "dark truck" which was seen at Tara's house around 06:00 am on Monday 24 October, 2005.

JMHO

[bornNbred S.GA]

More games and innuendo. And here I thought we were over that... dern.


Au Contraire, my new friend.

With the operative word being "more", you are most welcome to continue to play if you wish, but the necessity for games is past tense for me.

My motto is "Never walk into a party before you know the guest list".

Day one, I was mingling on the fringes.

Day two, I'm inside, enjoying the wine and the hors d'oeuvres.

My groups of division, among the active players, are most clearly defined.

If you, as of yet, remain little unsure into which group I fall, feeling the necessity to continue this banter, please accept my cordial invitation to continue.

I will gladly extend to you all the time you desire to achieve your own goal.

On the flip side of the fresh cornbread, if you prefer to get down to the crust of the subject, I remain more than ready.

[Brainstorm]

WTH?????????????
POST about Tara and shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!Look up there,BNB,you wasted a whole post *****ing.
GET TO THE SUBJECT and if you cant see, we are getting serious here and get out if you just want to talk or play message board
JMHO

[Its just me]

"How did he get there that fast? Where was he when he got the call? So according to my source HD was there before 9:30 AM. That really blew my mind because I always thought he got there in the afternoon. JMHO"

I wonder that myself Results .. In fact I'm beginning to wonder if HD was in Ocilla before daybreak that Monday morning. Could explain the "dark truck" which was seen at Tara's house around 06:00 am on Monday 24 October, 2005.

JMHO


I totally believe my source and HD was there very early. The call went to the police at 8:00/8:30 there is documentation somewhere in a news article. Perry is right at 80 miles from Ocilla and over an hour drive either way you want to travel. Keep digging

[readmylips]

Au Contraire, my new friend.

With the operative word being "more", you are most welcome to continue to play if you wish, but the necessity for games is past tense for me.

My motto is "Never walk into a party before you know the guest list".

Day one, I was mingling on the fringes.

Day two, I'm inside, enjoying the wine and the hors d'oeuvres.

My groups of division, among the active players, are most clearly defined.

If you, as of yet, remain little unsure into which group I fall, feeling the necessity to continue this banter, please accept my cordial invitation to continue.

I will gladly extend to you all the time you desire to achieve your own goal.

On the flip side of the fresh cornbread, if you prefer to get down to the crust of the subject, I remain more than ready.

why would you feel a need to define a position on division? i would much rather hear about your measurable action that is going to lead to tara's recovery. please share more about those plans. maybe some among us would be interested in joining the effort.

[Its just me]

In the afternoon HD was in a dodge government car and it was parked at the police station.

[odette]

According to my source Heath has often been referred to the "golden boy" at Perry P.D. Before Tara went missing everyone said he was next in line for the chief's position. I have been told he does not have that to look forward to now.

I sure hope this is true and I sure hope that someone will wake up and say NO ONE DESERVES PROTECTION AND NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW. JMHO

The above post 1 - 5 is asking and pesturing people to get the truth. I know that I have been a pest and will continue to be one to try to find the truth. I don't know where Tara is nor do I know if she is alive or not but what I do know is people need to start talking so there maybe some glimpse of hope in bringing her home. I will keep digging and researching and if I find anything as always I will share what I know. JMHO

"According to my source Heath has often been referred to the "golden boy" at Perry P.D."

Seems to me that HD has been placed on some kind of pedestal by more than a few .. I recall someone else told me that "You will not get anyone in Pulaski County (Hawkinsville) to point a finger at HD. He is a "hometown boy, made good of himself."

01-28-2007, 10:16 PM
odette
Member

You will not get anyone in Pulaski County (Hawkinsville) to point a finger at HD. He is a "hometown boy, made good of himself."

The above comment was not mine. I quoted exactly what was told to me.

JMHO
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=280566&page=2

From where I'm standing HD isn't looking like the "golden boy" to me .. Just my personal opinion.

JMHO

[readmylips]

quote .. I was also told that DT ALLEGEDLY said something similar to this ..."Heath couldnt have done this....hes a close friend of mine". end quote

Soooo .. HD is allegedly a "close friend" of DT after all. My, my, my.

JMHO

what interests and confuses me about this is that AG adamantly stated that hd was not a friend of dt's but a friend of dt's supervisor. i found that to be an odd statement at the time it was made and since have been told that hd is not a friend of dt's supervisor. none of it makes sense to me and honestly i don't know what to believe about any of it. i fear that there is so much misinformation that it will be difficult if not impossible to determine what is real, what is fantasy and what is just misconstrued repeated talk.

in no way am i saying this to dispute any of the information shared. i am just sharing my own confusion on the whole situation.

i am feeling very :shrug: this fine morn. a lot of information i had not heard before was shared over night. and the appearance of new faces with strong opinions and old faces with new perspectives. new day, same old saga. who needs days of our lives when you can stroll over to ctv for a dose of drama and intrigue and double agents any old time you want it. ;)

[Brainstorm]

In the afternoon HD was in a dodge government car and it was parked at the police station.

OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!

this info really just cliches it for me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can hardly sit here any longer on a message board.
Lets get off here and on the phones................
JMHO

SOMEBODY HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JMHO

[Results]

In the afternoon HD was in a dodge government car and it was parked at the police station.

That is interesting. IF he was in the truck in the morning he went to Perry to talk to DT..hmmm. I will do my best to try to find out what he was driving that morning. Thanks for that information! JMHO

[fsbiii]

This creeps me out, honestly. It sounds like something Hannibal Lecter would say.

I don't play into sickness, just glad I was right that you aren't "new" at all.

I'll do my best to ignore and be constructive on the real info being presented overnight and today. Sideshows are for the carnival, "friend."

Pass me the fava beans.

Au Contraire, my new friend.

With the operative word being "more", you are most welcome to continue to play if you wish, but the necessity for games is past tense for me.

My motto is "Never walk into a party before you know the guest list".

Day one, I was mingling on the fringes.

Day two, I'm inside, enjoying the wine and the hors d'oeuvres.

My groups of division, among the active players, are most clearly defined.

If you, as of yet, remain little unsure into which group I fall, feeling the necessity to continue this banter, please accept my cordial invitation to continue.

I will gladly extend to you all the time you desire to achieve your own goal.

On the flip side of the fresh cornbread, if you prefer to get down to the crust of the subject, I remain more than ready.

[Brainstorm]

I just had a pleasant conversation with Chief Billy Hancock and he assured me "we are actively persuing info about Tara Grinstead"
I hope I said and spelled that right. Forgive me,otherwise......
I firmly believe this case will be solved and I want to encourage ALL of you to keep digging,for that "missing puzzle piece" IIRC,a comment of the Chief himself,..................................
He is the GO TO MAN, in my opinion.................
JMHO
and is accesible (spelling,again?)

[Results]

I was told by another reliable source that in a SAR chat in December of 2005 there was a discussion to locate the picture of Tara and HD from the fair on the internet. This picture was discussed in the beginning and some how got dismissed. Don't know why but it seems that this camera would be very important to take into custody for evidence. Who is to say what else was on the camera. JMHO

[Results]

I just had a pleasant conversation with Chief Billy Hancock and he assured me "we are actively persuing info about Tara Grinstead"
I hope I said and spelled that right. Forgive me,otherwise......
I firmly believe this case will be solved and I want to encourage ALL of you to keep digging,for that "missing puzzle piece" IIRC,a comment of the Chief himself,..................................
He is the GO TO MAN, in my opinion.................
JMHO
and is accesible (spelling,again?)

Good job Brainstorm. We will keep digging that is for sure.

[Results]

I asked FW for her help and she said that she would review and see what she could do. All the help we can get is needed.

[odette]

I was told by another reliable source that in a SAR chat in December of 2005 there was a discussion to locate the picture of Tara and HD from the fair on the internet. This picture was discussed in the beginning and some how got dismissed. Don't know why but it seems that this camera would be very important to take into custody for evidence. Who is to say what else was on the camera. JMHO

Yes, I recall the conversation in the SAR chat, in December 2005, about this photo of Tara and HD which was allegedly taken of them both together at the GA National Fair in October 2005. I remember that I searched the Internet for that photo at that time, but never found it.

JMHO

[Results]

Yes, I recall the conversation in the SAR chat, in December 2005, about this photo of Tara and HD which was allegedly taken of them both together at the GA National Fair in October 2005. I remember that I searched the Internet for that photo at that time, but never found it.

JMHO

IMO this gives the digital camera alot more stout. I believe there is information out there that backs up my sources information which I sure try to do before I post the information. I believe my source 100%! JMHO

[Atok]

I was told by another reliable source that in a SAR chat in December of 2005 there was a discussion to locate the picture of Tara and HD from the fair on the internet. This picture was discussed in the beginning and some how got dismissed. Don't know why but it seems that this camera would be very important to take into custody for evidence. Who is to say what else was on the camera. JMHO

Do we believe that the picture from the fair was taking with the same camera you are referring to? Who hosted the fair picture? Was their a reason that the picture from the fair mattered, for example who took it or what else was in the frame? Was this the concern of a particualr SAR chatter or several and do we know why yet? Where is this concerned picture person today and do they still find it relevant? Also who would know what else was on the camera beside Tara and whoever she used the camera with? Who would be concerned about images captured on that camera and want it to disappear, if indeed it has?

Sorry for all the questions, just working on relevance and value of what we come across.

I think everything we find needs to be detangled with a fine tooth comb, because this case is like an infestation of lice, frankly. So if we can move the nit-picking and nic-switching personal issues out of the way for a moment and focus on the strands of data we get directly pertaining to the case, maybe we can clear this infestation of confusion up once and for all.

[Results]

Do we believe that the picture from the fair was taking with the same camera you are referring to? Who hosted the fair picture? Was their a reason that the picture from the fair mattered, for example who took it or what else was in the frame? Was this the concern of a particualr SAR chatter or several and do we know why yet? Where is this concerned picture person today and do they still find it relevant? Also who would know what else was on the camera beside Tara and whoever she used the camera with? Who would be concerned about images captured on that camera and want it to disappear, if indeed it has?

Sorry for all the questions, just working on relevance and value of what we come across.

I think everything we find needs to be detangled with a fine tooth comb, because this case is like an infestation of lice, frankly. So if we can move the nit-picking and nic-switching personal issues out of the way for a moment and focus on the strands of data we get directly pertaining to the case, maybe we can clear this infestation of confusion up once and for all.

ATOK, I totaly agree with you. That was why I posted the information so that we could go over it with a fine tooth comb. I value anyones opinion that has showed they have legit concerns in finding Tara. Please no one take it as if I don't want disputes about it because I do. My only goal was to put it out there to be discussed over and over again. I wish I knew where the camera was and I asked where was it. Please don't ever be sorry for questions because I ask all the time. If we can find anything at all in this information given then we have accomplished something and that is what we are here for. I do not wear my feelings on my shoulders regarding this case. I'm going to take hits and I expect them. We keep asking questions something is bound to click some where. I hope that I made sense ATOK. JMHO

[odette]

Do we believe that the picture from the fair was taking with the same camera you are referring to? Who hosted the fair picture? Was their a reason that the picture from the fair mattered, for example who took it or what else was in the frame? Was this the concern of a particualr SAR chatter or several and do we know why yet? Where is this concerned picture person today and do they still find it relevant? Also who would know what else was on the camera beside Tara and whoever she used the camera with? Who would be concerned about images captured on that camera and want it to disappear, if indeed it has?

Sorry for all the questions, just working on relevance and value of what we come across.

I think everything we find needs to be detangled with a fine tooth comb, because this case is like an infestation of lice, frankly. So if we can move the nit-picking and nic-switching personal issues out of the way for a moment and focus on the strands of data we get directly pertaining to the case, maybe we can clear this infestation of confusion up once and for all.

I don't personally know anything else about the photo discussed in the SAR chat (late December 2005) .. only that it was mentioned by someone, that there was a photo of Tara and HD, taken at the GA National Fair in Perry 2005, and it was supposedly on the Internet. It may have been a completely different photo, to the one which was allegedly seen on Tara's digital camera by the GBI Agents during the initial investigation at Tara's house. At the time I went through many "crowd photo's" taken at the fair, looking for the pic but never found one.

JMHO

[fsbiii]

And the Perry fair was Oct 7-16, 2005, which would've covered 2 weekends, the last of which (15th/16th) is when Tara and her mom supposedly had their argument, correct?

[Results]

And the Perry fair was Oct 7-16, 2005, which would've covered 2 weekends, the last of which (15th/16th) is when Tara and her mom supposedly had their argument, correct?

Yes, I believe that is correct.

[Atok]

I'm trying to weight the information.

The picture on the camera alledgedly reviewed by GBI and dismissed was dismissed, (under assumption here) solely because DT didn't see the point of having a pic of Tara and HD placed into evidence because HD had admitted "they'd been seeing each other" thus a camera with photographic proof of that was not of interest?

This is uncomfortable for me.

First, the camera may have had other data on it. Especially since it was used just in the weeks before she disappeared. What else might have been on that camera? OR the picture itself may have value on the investigation down the road. Even for a case where they don't assume foul play occured, that the woman may have just run off on her own, the camera had value right in the beginning. That is a rookie mistake! Should have long been rectified by investigators UNCONNECTED TO POI, who have criminal investigative skills. Especially in the reviewal stage as this case had gone on for so long. Maybe the SAR chatter's point was just to prove HD and Tara had hung out at the fair together and that's all they meant by "look for that picture." Or maybe they know even more reasons why that picture should be found?

Was it DT's job to dismiss a camera willy nilly, or not take in linens or not take in clothes for lab examination? Was he careless and by protecting his friend neglected the best interests of Tara herself?

What kind of investigative work was truly done here in the beginning? It seems like the investigators were covering HD's infidility in the beginning.

At least they acknowledge he had something to do with Tara personally but they didn't want to drag him under suspicion of anything more sinister becuse he was their friend.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE.

Sounds like what AG/LG said about HD... he can't be involved he's a friend of the family. When details come up on HD they are explained away as benign, repeatedly. Almost desperately.

At what point are there so many HD connective dots that it is beyond reasonable doubt to consider him uninvolved in any way? ALL MOO.

[TallaTonight]

I don't personally know anything else about the photo discussed in the SAR chat (late December 2005) .. only that it was mentioned by someone, that there was a photo of Tara and HD, taken at the GA National Fair in Perry 2005, and it was supposedly on the Internet. It may have been a completely different photo, to the one which was allegedly seen on Tara's digital camera by the GBI Agents during the initial investigation at Tara's house. At the time I went through many "crowd photo's" taken at the fair, looking for the pic but never found one.

JMHO

OK, now that is interesting, so in Dec. 05 a photo was reported to be online?
So are you saying the photo that the GBI argued over and then Left(?), destroyed (?), could have been different than the one that was rumored to be on Tara's camera? Or are you saying someone took this camera and downloaded this picture online? What is an SAR chat? Who was on this Chat? Could someone have been there that would have known where the camera was? This could be very interesting. Thanks.

[odette]

And the Perry fair was Oct 7-16, 2005, which would've covered 2 weekends, the last of which (15th/16th) is when Tara and her mom supposedly had their argument, correct?

This has me thinking about the witness who allegedly saw HD "Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier". That would be around Saturday the 15th of October as Tara was last known to be seen on Saturday October 22nd. Hadn't seen Tara in weeks huh ? .. hmmmm

2005 GEORGIA NATIONAL FAIR OCTOBER 7-16, 2005 .. This, as you say, would cover two weekends ie Saturday/Sunday 8/9th October and Saturday/Sunday 15/16th October.

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

"Witnessed Heath's Grey F-150 parked there no more than a week earlier".

We need to find out if this grey Ford truck of HD was "charcoal grey" and could look in actuality ,"black", when viewed during the hours of darkness. I know that a "dark colored" truck was also seen at Tara's house around 06:00am on the Monday morning by someone on the way to the convenience store.

Ocilla ~ Monday October 24 2005 ~ Sunrise 07:43 am

JMHO

Hope this hasn't already been answered but Dixi already answered this for us last night - she said the Ford F-150's only come in the charcoal grey color. She also stated that the F-150's and Chevy trucks could be mistaken for one another. Let me see if I can find her post - its not to far back IIRC.

[One2Snoop]

Yesterday, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by One2Snoop
I can't help but wonder if that Kid who saw the truck was mistaken about the make/model - Chevy vs this F-150. Grey could appear to be a dark color at night, IMO.

Was HD's vehicle ever searched or luminoled?

Yesterday, 07:13 PM
dixinites
Member Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Coastal Georgia
Posts: 488

The only "grey" color F150s come in is CHARCOAL...Very dark grey and looks black at nite.

Yesterday, 07:28 PM
dixinites
Member Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Coastal Georgia
Posts: 488

You're welcome...and FWII, Ford and Chev trucks have similar body styles. I could see where they might be confused, especially at night, with someone yelling obscenities at you and trying to recall the event.

[Results]

According to my source HD was in his grey F-150 in the morning BUT DT's GBI vehicle is none other then a grey F-150. One of these vehicles had a brush guard at the time. I believe my source 100% and it is my opinion that this information is correct.

[The R]

I just had a pleasant conversation with Chief Billy Hancock and he assured me "we are actively persuing info about Tara Grinstead"
I hope I said and spelled that right. Forgive me,otherwise......
I firmly believe this case will be solved and I want to encourage ALL of you to keep digging,for that "missing puzzle piece" IIRC,a comment of the Chief himself,..................................
He is the GO TO MAN, in my opinion.................
JMHO
and is accesible (spelling,again?)

I'm glad you posted that.
I suspect that many posters might believe that the OPD has its hands tied in the case and that the GBI is 'in charge' of the investigation. Whether or not OPD requested GBI has nothing to do with the fact that OPD can investigate the case to its end if it so desires. I think there are more LE entities than the GBI looking at this.

ALLMO,
R

[bornNbred S.GA]

snip I'll do my best to ignore and be constructive on the real info being presented overnight and today.

If finding Tara is genuinely the purpose of the "long haul group", one thing you might want to consider:

Prior to engaging in an analytical banter and participating in a frenzy of PM's intended to determine if the newcomer is a Troll or not, a more important factor to first try to determine might be, "Does this poster have the potential of adding MORE to the cause by posting here THAN by remaining a lurker?".

I assure you there are those of us out there who are close to the case. Many have not joined in an online discussion for reasons very close to our hearts. The "Long Haul Group" might want to "ease up a bit" the next time one of us comes along if your intent is sincerely to find Tara.

[Atok]

snip

If finding Tara is genuinely the purpose of the "long haul group", one thing you might want to consider:

Prior to engaging in an analytical banter and participating in a frenzy of PM's intended to determine if the newcomer is a Troll or not, a more important factor to first try to determine might be, "Does this poster have the potential of adding MORE to the cause by posting here THAN by remaining a lurker?".

I assure you there are those of us out there who are close to the case. Many have not joined in an online discussion for reasons very close to our hearts. The "Long Haul Group" might want to "ease up a bit" the next time one of us comes along if your intent is sincerely to find Tara.

I will agree with you that entrance into this boards discussion at this stage of the game is difficult and a bit caustic. I'll add that if either the Pink Koolaide Krew or the Long Haul Group were too taxing for a board poster than perhaps their information couldn't bear scrutiny. I do not believe sincere contributors will be thwarted by the challenge to their sincerity.

I'll close with a quote by Philip K. Dick, "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

[Atok]

According to my source HD was in his grey F-150 in the morning BUT DT's GBI vehicle is none other then a grey F-150. One of these vehicles had a brush guard at the time. I believe my source 100% and it is my opinion that this information is correct.

I can't let this post get buried. There are many that think it took more than one person to handle this crime. Persons with knowledge of Police methods. In the early days the focus was on MH and SF being a duo who had access and skills. What if that duo was HD and DT? Just for speculation sake, as I don't have any facts to move this thought beyond an opinion AT THIS TIME.

[goldylocks]

I can't let this post get buried. There are many that think it took more than one person to handle this crime. Persons with knowledge of Police methods. In the early days the focus was on MH and SF being a duo who had access and skills. What if that duo was HD and DT? Just for speculation sake, as I don't have any facts to move this thought beyond an opinion AT THIS TIME.
Atok i think its as good as any speculation i mean whats the odds of these two having the same colored truck? It does make one go hummmmmmm.

[One2Snoop]

I can't let this post get buried. There are many that think it took more than one person to handle this crime. Persons with knowledge of Police methods. In the early days the focus was on MH and SF being a duo who had access and skills. What if that duo was HD and DT? Just for speculation sake, as I don't have any facts to move this thought beyond an opinion AT THIS TIME.

Maybe this is one of the reasons the investigation tapered off like it did. I remember many people questioning why GBI hadn't even been to the campuses where Tara attended night school, etc.... Is this because "someone" already knew where she was? :shrug: JMO Interesting thought Atok.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/2201_grinstead_probe_less2.html

[fsbiii]

Spare me the condescending faux sincerity, please. I asked you a question yesterday, as did others, and you failed/refused to answer (still). You turned to the "cloak & dagger" mysterious language game of implied meanings and hidden context. I haven't pm'd one single person about you, nor do I intend to. If you haven't joined online discussions for reasons "close to your heart," why bother now? Nothing about you and your posts has made any sense to me, and it's not worth further debate or time, IMO.

My intent has been the same since Day 1. Nothing you or any other poster types on a message board will change that.

snip

If finding Tara is genuinely the purpose of the "long haul group", one thing you might want to consider:

Prior to engaging in an analytical banter and participating in a frenzy of PM's intended to determine if the newcomer is a Troll or not, a more important factor to first try to determine might be, "Does this poster have the potential of adding MORE to the cause by posting here THAN by remaining a lurker?".

I assure you there are those of us out there who are close to the case. Many have not joined in an online discussion for reasons very close to our hearts. The "Long Haul Group" might want to "ease up a bit" the next time one of us comes along if your intent is sincerely to find Tara.

[readmylips]

snip

If finding Tara is genuinely the purpose of the "long haul group", one thing you might want to consider:

Prior to engaging in an analytical banter and participating in a frenzy of PM's intended to determine if the newcomer is a Troll or not, a more important factor to first try to determine might be, "Does this poster have the potential of adding MORE to the cause by posting here THAN by remaining a lurker?".

I assure you there are those of us out there who are close to the case. Many have not joined in an online discussion for reasons very close to our hearts. The "Long Haul Group" might want to "ease up a bit" the next time one of us comes along if your intent is sincerely to find Tara.

please do add something to the cause. we are all waiting for you to lose your fascination for sparring with fsbii and get to work.

can you please share something that isn't centered on division, conflict and oneupmanship? i'd like to hear your thoughts about the case itself and not your feelings about your fellow posters. tia

[Atok]

snip

If finding Tara is genuinely the purpose of the "long haul group", one thing you might want to consider:

Prior to engaging in an analytical banter and participating in a frenzy of PM's intended to determine if the newcomer is a Troll or not, a more important factor to first try to determine might be, "Does this poster have the potential of adding MORE to the cause by posting here THAN by remaining a lurker?".

I assure you there are those of us out there who are close to the case. Many have not joined in an online discussion for reasons very close to our hearts. The "Long Haul Group" might want to "ease up a bit" the next time one of us comes along if your intent is sincerely to find Tara.

Do you have anything to add to the cause? If not, I think you should remain a lurker.

[Brainstorm]

You make a good point and I feel we can't overlook the person that Results refers to as "my source". In this case, you can't overlook anyone. JMO

What do you mean? are you questioning Results post?
JMHO

[Atok]

I think I'd question anyone providing clues at this stage Brainstorm, even the source of Results info. One can trust that the source knows what they are saying is true, but you can't avoid questioning how they know it. Unless you know who the source is, that stays a concern.

I don't think any disrespect was intended to Results by Maude.

I'd question why a whole lot of info isn't confirmed or denied by poeple "in the know" at this stage. If my *mother* came to me and said she was down in Ocilla that weekend and happened to see something and was just now saying it... I'd be quesitoning whether or not someone paid her mouth shut, you know?

I urge anyone with information to take it straight to Chief Hancock without delay. If they previously gave info only to DT, I'd suggest they resubmit the info directly to Chief Hancock. NOt sure I've a lot of faith after reading these recent opinions that all is being done by all who are involved to SOLVE it and not BURY it.

[TallaTonight]

I think I'd question anyone providing clues at this stage Brainstorm, even the source of Results info. One can trust that the source knows what they are saying is true, but you can't avoid questioning how they know it. Unless you know who the source is, that stays a concern.

I don't think any disrespect was intended to Results by Maude.

I'd question why a whole lot of info isn't confirmed or denied by poeple "in the know" at this stage. If my *mother* came to me and said she was down in Ocilla that weekend and happened to see something and was just now saying it... I'd be quesitoning whether or not someone paid her mouth shut, you know?

I urge anyone with information to take it straight to Chief Hancock without delay. If they previously gave info only to DT, I'd suggest they resubmit the info directly to Chief Hancock. NOt sure I've a lot of faith after reading these recent opinions that all is being done by all who are involved to SOLVE it and not BURY it.

I agree with you. It is odd that this source has not gone to LE, but then again they may have. My problem would be that I would imagine LE has told these sources to let them handle it. You know if this case turns into a real case and it does go before a jury they want information that would not be tainted. My other worry is that GBI can show you files amost as high as I am, now does Ocilla's Cheif Hancock have these files at his convience? I appreciate the information and have looked into a few things after seeing these. My problem is more he/she said. I feel assured LE and the GBI have heard all this before, and have found things we Mr/Ms Joe Public will never find. Still Results gets an A for Effort for sure. Kudos all around.

[One2Snoop]

According to my source HD was in his grey F-150 in the morning BUT DT's GBI vehicle is none other then a grey F-150. One of these vehicles had a brush guard at the time. I believe my source 100% and it is my opinion that this information is correct.

I just wanted to repost this CNN interview with NG now that we have more info about the above the truck....

Snip
Two of the people did not see anyone who may have been driving that vehicle. One of those people did. One of the person -- one the people saw the person believed to be driving this Chevrolet pickup, and actually spoke to this person, had verbal contact with him.

So now investigators are trying to track down this pickup, trying to track down whoever this person who may have been driving is.

GRACE: Robert, are they sure it was a Chevy? Are they absolutely positive it was a Chevy pickup?

PRESTON: It has been positively identified as a Chevy pickup. Initially, there was some confusion whether it may have been a Chevy, may have been a Ford. But for those of you that know pickups know that a Chevy and a Ford are two distinct vehicles. So...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Robert, Robert, what time of the night was this?

PRESTON: The truck was seen several times during the weekend. The most recent time or the latest time it was seen was about 6:00 in the morning on October 24th when Tara was reported missing.

GRACE: To Tara Grinstead`s sister, Anita Gattis, I`m happy we`ve got tip, I`m happy we`ve got the break, Anita. But why are we just learning this?

ANITA GATTIS, MISSING TARA GRINSTEAD`S SISTER: Well, Nancy, we had heard early on about neighbors of Tara`s who saw a dark vehicle in her yard early Monday morning when they went to the convenient store. This person was interviewed by GBI police. I don`t know what they chalked that experience up to, you know, not really sure why they didn`t pursue that any further.

We`ve also found out that a teenager who saw the car had verbal contact and some profanity was exchanged. So I can understand why he`s been a little hesitant, plus he was here visiting with a neighbor who had moved a few weeks after Tara disappeared. So we had some issues in tracking him down.

While we were tracking that kid down, we found a 23-year-old man who saw the vehicle here at another point. Now, I want to make it clear: The vehicle was not here all weekend; it evidently was coming and going and came without being noticed and drawing a lot of attention, so we`re wondering if it was a vehicle that had been here before, someone that knew Tara.

GRACE: OK, let me get this straight. The vehicle was parked -- snip

Back to her sister, Anita Gattis. Now, why would someone exchange profanity with -- I assume it was a male -- the guy driving this black Chevy parked up on her yard?

GATTIS: Well, you know, that`s a big question to us, too. This kid was playing in the side street that`s next to Tara`s house. The guy was outside the truck. He looked over at him, said some profanity to the kid, so the kid, you know, takes off back inside. That`s what we don`t know: Why this was person angry just because he was recognized?

GRACE: Well, to Richard Herman, whoever is driving a black Chevy pickup -- and maybe you`re better at it than I am -- but in the middle of the night, I don`t know if I could tell a Chevy from a Ford parked up in somebody`s yard, but apparently not one, not two, but three people have observed this vehicle.

Now, Richard, you know, I don`t want to prejudge the case. I would never do a thing like that.

HERMAN: No, not you, Nancy.

GRACE: But here`s the thing: If this person isn`t connected to her disappearance, why haven`t they come forward to say, "Oh, I`m part of the time line. I can tell you she was here, there, this, that, at this time the weekend"? So why are they shrinking back? snip

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/27/ng.01.html

[concernedperson]

I'm questioning the motive of the person that Results calls "my source".
If someone is standing close enough to hear GBI agents arguing over evidence and stating that a POI is innocent because he is a friend, he could put himself in danger by repeating this information to a member of an online forum. The GBI agents would know who was standing around when these things were said. Why would "my source" put himself in danger? Certainly not in the name of Justice.
Then again, if the information is bogus, he is not in danger. He only puts more suspicion on HD. Maybe thats enough motive.

Your points are so valid Maude. As well as Atok's. I cannot see jumping on info without questioning the motives of the giver. If the info is false then all it does is set the wild goose chase in motion. Great for the perp but tiring for anyone else.

[bornNbred S.GA]

I will agree with you that entrance into this boards discussion at this stage of the game is difficult and a bit caustic. I'll add that if either the Pink Koolaide Krew or the Long Haul Group were too taxing for a board poster than perhaps their information couldn't bear scrutiny. I do not believe sincere contributors will be thwarted by the challenge to their sincerity.

I'll close with a quote by Philip K. Dick, "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

Thank you for your kind post, however in my case, I wasn't afforded the opportunity to post "information" before the onslaught began. I was just 'getting my feet wet' in an attempt to assure regulars here that I was NOT some idiot Troll. Ironically, I assumed that the very person who verbalized the assumption that I was, happened to be the one person I extended the most opportunity to determine I was not. So much for assuming anyone is a good judge of character no matter what their credentials, I guess.

[Its just me]

snip

If finding Tara is genuinely the purpose of the "long haul group", one thing you might want to consider:

Prior to engaging in an analytical banter and participating in a frenzy of PM's intended to determine if the newcomer is a Troll or not, a more important factor to first try to determine might be, "Does this poster have the potential of adding MORE to the cause by posting here THAN by remaining a lurker?".

I assure you there are those of us out there who are close to the case. Many have not joined in an online discussion for reasons very close to our hearts. The "Long Haul Group" might want to "ease up a bit" the next time one of us comes along if your intent is sincerely to find Tara.

I hate to burst your bubble but I have not sent anyone a pm concerning you. The long haul group don't do nic gossip in secret we will point blank ask what we want to know.
I actually had better luck with the Canterbury Tales in my English class that I do with your posts. What actually is your motive here and please don’t say it’s Tara because it’s very plain that is not the case .

[TallaTonight]

I'm questioning the motive of the person that Results calls "my source".
If someone is standing close enough to hear GBI agents arguing over evidence and stating that a POI is innocent because he is a friend, he could put himself in danger by repeating this information to a member of an online forum. The GBI agents would know who was standing around when these things were said. Why would "my source" put himself in danger? Certainly not in the name of Justice.
Then again, if the information is bogus, he is not in danger. He only puts more suspicion on HD. Maybe thats enough motive.

And it is indeed scary. We do not know who harmed Tara, so the very person we are thinking is our source could be the enemy. Thanks Maude, this is something that is best left to LE or GBI. In thinking they are helping they could be endangering their lives. I remember that Results stated that LE read here, so maybe she shoud get in touch with them. And if LE reads here you better bet GBI has this page bookmarked as well.