The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[One2Snoop]

HD & Taras affair hadn't come out at that time, had it? He was HIDING. Tara was lying,she wasn't SCARED OF AV !!!!!!! She didn't want the two to talk....IMOO

He must have known something was going on - either that or Tara had told AV their relationship could go no further. Remember AV made claims they "were involved" and AG brushed it off as a student having fantasies about Tara. I know those aren't the exact words but it went something like that.

[One2Snoop]

He did nothing!

His actions speak loud and clear - he didn't want anyone to know he was there, thats why he did nothing.

[odette]

As I tried to go back in my house, he pulled my arm asking me to talk with him, and I struggled to shut my door as he pushed from the outside. I also noticed Anthony's hand bleeding from knocking on the door so hard. Blood was on my door from his hand. Anthony's behavior was abnormal and was very aggressive on this day, I was very scared for my well being

Excuse HD all you want to this woman was scared out of her mind with a police captain in her home and I wonder why that would be?

"Anthony's behavior was abnormal and was very aggressive on this day, I was very scared for my well being"

This speaks volumes to me .. What on earth was HD doing whilst Tara was dealing with an angry young man at her door?.

I believe that the ONLY reason that HD did nothing was because he didn't want to be "found out" .. didn't want anyone to find out that he was 'visiting' Tara.

THAT was MORE important to him than Tara's safety and wellbeing.


JMHO

[dixinites]

Results: What time of day/night did the incident take place? Was this Tara's report w/HD as a witness, or was there a separate report filed for him? And didn't Tara go down to the station afterwards to bail AV out or was that to file a complaint against the arresting officer for being to rough? Or both?

[Results]

Results: What time of day/night did the incident take place? Was this Tara's report w/HD as a witness, or was there a separate report filed for him? And didn't Tara go down to the station afterwards to bail AV out or was that to file a complaint against the arresting officer for being to rough? Or both?

3-30-05 @ 5:30 PM. There is 2 officers reports. Tara and AV gave statements. The arresting officer was not SF and Tara on April 18, 2005 she gave a Supplemental Report stating that the arresting Officer P did not do anything out of the way or over the top in the way of force when arresting Mr. Vickers. HD did not fill out a statement and only said 2 things in his Supplemental Report. I hope that helps.

[grandline]

Thank you so much for posting this info Results! You are a great asset to this board.:beer:

IMHO, if HD were really just a "friend" visiting, he would have come to Tara's aid at the door and helped put AV in his place (if AV wasn't afraid of Tara's anger, maybe a stern male authority figure would intimidate him). The fact that he remained out of the way really makes me question what was going on.

There is nothing untoward about a friend visiting in the late afternoon. It's not like this was the middle of the night and it would be taboo for him to be seen at Tara's....so why hide?:shrug:

[Brainstorm]

3-30-05 @ 5:30 PM. There is 2 officers reports. Tara and AV gave statements. The arresting officer was not SF and Tara on April 18, 2005 she gave a Supplemental Report stating that the arresting Officer P did not do anything out of the way or over the top in the way of force when arresting Mr. Vickers. HD did not fill out a statement and only said 2 things in his Supplemental Report. I hope that helps.

So, did Tara go to the PD to "get AV out" ? and WHY ? if she did ?
she had just stated he was acting agressive and she was scared. She was scared of AV,with HD hiding in the house, but then went and bailed him out,what, alone? STRANGE INDEED
JMHO

[gagal]

I think Tara become to much of a liability to a few close around her,HD,her own sister and BIL,for all the reasons posted since day 1,.........
each reationship with each of these people was........"strained"

These people knew who would be blamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old Boyfriend of course !!!!!!! .but what about the boyfriend (current at the time) HEATH ****S ??????
who as its been proven , was hiding out in Taras house at least once before.SNEAKY ..............

If AG & LG had a black truck.......maybe HD borrowed it ?
Maybe LG donated some drugs...........
I believe they, if not planned it out where at least all in the s ame mindset...
Tara had to go.......for HDs sake,AG & LGs sake.
I think HD Took her out, He didnt have to LURE her anywhere,simply go for a late night ride,with her lover.......and killed her.

I just figure he probably headed on those back river roads sorta N by NE
towards the Ocmulgee,already had a spot in mind...and dumped her.

The problem is this is only my Hypothetical theory, and there ARE MILES &
MIL ES OF THOSE RIVER ROADS............

JMHO

The whole HD thing is weird. I definately believe that he was "hiding" I mean, he is a "tough" law enforcement officer that makes big drug bust and deals with really rough cats...I imagine that AV wouldnt have been much for him to handle. It makes me wonder what may have happened or been said earlier in the day to cause AV to even come over their?????? Was he just riding by and had a wild hair? Or did he know that HD was their? Had Tara confided in AV that she was seeing someone that she shouldnt and it could cause alot of grief for alot of people and AV comes by to run him off and out of her life? (not like a boyfriend, but as someone that thinks alot of TARA and wants to help her get rid of the bad guy?) Did AV go to Tara's because HE KNEW that HD was there? Did the police report state why AV went to her house?

[gagal]

The whole HD thing is weird. I definately believe that he was "hiding" I mean, he is a "tough" law enforcement officer that makes big drug bust and deals with really rough cats...I imagine that AV wouldnt have been much for him to handle. It makes me wonder what may have happened or been said earlier in the day to cause AV to even come over their?????? Was he just riding by and had a wild hair? Or did he know that HD was their? Had Tara confided in AV that she was seeing someone that she shouldnt and it could cause alot of grief for alot of people and AV comes by to run him off and out of her life? (not like a boyfriend, but as someone that thinks alot of TARA and wants to help her get rid of the bad guy?) Did AV go to Tara's because HE KNEW that HD was there? Did the police report state why AV went to her house?


Sorry guys.... I mean THERE! My brain hasn't gotten wound up yet!

[Brainstorm]

From what I understand, this was the same day that AV had seen them together and shouted at them.......the redlight incident?........so I believe he knew or was pretty sure HD was there. Remember this young man was "in love with Tara" .
JMHO

also now, this was several months prior to her disappearance.I think that HD is using this and her old boyfriend Marcus, to keep the heat off himself.

[dixinites]

3-30-05 @ 5:30 PM. There is 2 officers reports. Tara and AV gave statements. The arresting officer was not SF and Tara on April 18, 2005 she gave a Supplemental Report stating that the arresting Officer P did not do anything out of the way or over the top in the way of force when arresting Mr. Vickers. HD did not fill out a statement and only said 2 things in his Supplemental Report. I hope that helps.

TY, Results. That puts at least a few of the "rumors" to rest. Still wonder about Tara being the one to bail AV out, and if it was the neighbors, and not Tara, who called LE in the first place.

[Its just me]

My thoughts.....AV and Tara's relationship was much more involved that a young students having a crush on a teacher. My source tells me there WAS a relationship where Tara was caught sneaking into AV's window. I'm only guessing what may have happened the day AV went to Tara's. HD and Tara were together and AV saw them at the red light...Having a relationship with Tara and being young he may have flipped out with surprise to see Tara with HD. Big possibility AV was so shocked because he had the impression Tara was his girl so he went to Tara's to get some answers. Tara knew how involved she and AV were and knew he was upset and her statement leads me to believe this was not AV's normal behavior and she really did not know what he might do. I am sure Tara did not want HD to know of this relationship and may have told HD to stay in hiding. This is all fine but when AV became aggressive and chicken HD remained inside just speaks loud and clear to what the sucker is made of and it dont smell too good. (chicken s***)
I have no problem with Tara going to the police station to bail AV out..she knew very well what she had done to this kid...she had hurt him probably to the core with her deception and she was trying to help fix the wrong she helped create.
If HD was willing to hide behind a door on this day to protect his reputation, if this is the case for his hiding...my question is what would he do to protect his reputation in the future. One thing that is clear in my mind and I will not waver...HD did not give a damn about Tara the day AV went to Tara's.
I have said this before...I have been on this earth many years and and have witnessed that most of the time when a single woman is involved with a married man the single woman will most of the time end up being the loser and does not stand a chance competing with the wife and children of her lover. I think this could have happened with Tara and HD or was beginning to happen...or Tara did not want to continue the relationship that had no future because she knew HD was not going to leave his wife and child/children....what happened to Tara if any of this is true I just dont know but there is too much evidence to overlook the possibility that HD is involved in some way or at least knows what happened to Tara. Just thinking out loud and stating mhoo.

[Its just me]

BTW..I am in no way defending AV's actions. He was very wrong going to Tara's acting this way. I just don't think his actions that day has anything to do with Tara's disappearance. I think the two had an affair and it was over by the time Tara disappeared and most likely ended on the day AV went to Tara's. MHOO I also left out in the above post that I believe Tara truly loved MH and wanted their relationship to continue. How this plays into her disappearance I dont know. As you can see I am all over things and all do not follow the same pattern but as I said I am thinking with my fingers about things that has been going throught my mind the last few hours.

[Results]

BTW..I am in no way defending AV's actions. He was very wrong going to Tara's acting this way. I just don't think his actions that day has anything to do with Tara's disappearance. I think the two had an affair and it was over by the time Tara disappeared and most likely ended on the day AV went to Tara's. MHOO I also left out in the above post that I believe Tara truly loved MH and wanted their relationship to continue. How this plays into her disappearance I dont know. As you can see I am all over things and all do not follow the same pattern but as I said I am thinking with my fingers about things that has been going throught my mind the last few hours.

AV admitted that he was wrong and things got out of hand. His statement is the longest about what he had to say. Also, AV is 6'3" 215 lbs. That really surprised me from the picture I have seen of AV. That is not some skinny little kid that is a stout man.

[Results]

TY, Results. That puts at least a few of the "rumors" to rest. Still wonder about Tara being the one to bail AV out, and if it was the neighbors, and not Tara, who called LE in the first place.

The neighbors, DL and PL, was doing yard work they heard a commotion they went over there to see what was happening AV cussed them then his attention went back to Tara telling her things again that is when the neighbors called the law. The neighbors were interviewed and gave a statement.

[Results]

No one could have these charges dropped except for the arresting officer because AV and the arresting officer had a verbal confrontation. The 2 officers and Tara basically have the same accounts of what happened. AV has a different story of the events which lead to the reports in April. HD, only he knows why he said AV said something that not one else heard and didn't see anything or do anything. AV was arrested because the officer told him several times to be quiet so that they could talk to Ms. Grinstead according to the report and then AV called the Officer P a SOB and he was arrested for disordely conduct. That is the only thing that AV agrees on that he did call him a SOB and admits it wasn't the smartest thing to do.

[Results]

TY, Results. That puts at least a few of the "rumors" to rest. Still wonder about Tara being the one to bail AV out, and if it was the neighbors, and not Tara, who called LE in the first place.

Tara did not bail him out!

[Brainstorm]

AV admitted that he was wrong and things got out of hand. His statement is the longest about what he had to say. Also, AV is 6'3" 215 lbs. That really surprised me from the picture I have seen of AV. That is not some skinny little kid that is a stout man.

The neighbors, DL and PL, was doing yard work they heard a commotion they went over there to see what was happening AV cussed them then his attention went back to Tara telling her things again that is when the neighbors called the law. The neighbors were interviewed and gave a statement.

No one could have these charges dropped except for the arresting officer because AV and the arresting officer had a verbal confrontation. The 2 officers and Tara basically have the same accounts of what happened. AV has a different story of the events which lead to the reports in April. HD, only he knows why he said AV said something that not one else heard and didn't see anything or do anything. AV was arrested because the officer told him several times to be quiet so that they could talk to Ms. Grinstead according to the report and then AV called the Officer P a SOB and he was arrested for disordely conduct. That is the only thing that AV agrees on that he did call him a SOB and admits it wasn't the smartest thing to do.

Tara did not bail him out!

ALL THIS & TARAS PROTECTIVE DAWG WAS HIDING IN HER HOUSE????????
unreal
just unreal
and he is still "protecting and serving?"

JMHO

[readmylips]

Tara did not bail him out!

i'm not sure that information would be in a report. i doubt it actually. what makes you feel so strongly that she did not?

[gagal]

No one could have these charges dropped except for the arresting officer because AV and the arresting officer had a verbal confrontation. The 2 officers and Tara basically have the same accounts of what happened. AV has a different story of the events which lead to the reports in April. HD, only he knows why he said AV said something that not one else heard and didn't see anything or do anything. AV was arrested because the officer told him several times to be quiet so that they could talk to Ms. Grinstead according to the report and then AV called the Officer P a SOB and he was arrested for disordely conduct. That is the only thing that AV agrees on that he did call him a SOB and admits it wasn't the smartest thing to do.


I would love to read the narrative on that report!!

[Results]

i'm not sure that information would be in a report. i doubt it actually. what makes you feel so strongly that she did not?

Actually I didn't get just the police report. I received several different reports and documents from this incident.

[readmylips]

Actually I didn't get just the police report. I received several different reports and documents from this incident.

a little more direct response please? :) is there actual documentation of who bailed him out? if so, who did. it doesn't seem like a subject that needs to be shrouded in secrecy so i am confused by indirect response. i'd like to know because it affects the way some other information has been interpreted. tia

[dixinites]

a little more direct response please? :) is there actual documentation of who bailed him out? if so, who did. it doesn't seem like a subject that needs to be shrouded in secrecy so i am confused by indirect response. i'd like to know because it affects the way some other information has been interpreted. tia

Thnx RML, I never saw the response to the question either.

Results, I won't question you any further regarding that information. I too, like Lindsey stated, am about ready to hang it up. Ty, for the information you did provide though. It was appreciated.

[concernedperson]

a little more direct response please? :) is there actual documentation of who bailed him out? if so, who did. it doesn't seem like a subject that needs to be shrouded in secrecy so i am confused by indirect response. i'd like to know because it affects the way some other information has been interpreted. tia

I would like a link to the documents. If it is public record and has been obtained than it can be scanned and posted. The same as autopsy info on Michelle Young.

Without written facts it is difficult to examine a case. We have some news articles but nothing from a LE source. Mostly, we have she said/he said and that has been poorly inadequate for bring Tara home.

[readmylips]

I would like a link to the documents. If it is public record and has been obtained than it can be scanned and posted. The same as autopsy info on Michelle Young.

Without written facts it is difficult to examine a case. We have some news articles but nothing from a LE source. Mostly, we have she said/he said and that has been poorly inadequate for bring Tara home.

good idea concernedperson.

you are right. this case has been so frustrating because so much of the information is he said/she said and no documentation and no one willing to step up and say i said or i saw. i am tired of it. after 15 months of this it seems like it is past time to throw caution to the wind and put cards on the table.

i think i will be stepping out too. i have become very short tempered with discussion lately and i don't want to be that way. i know everyone is tired and frustrated.

i think i will rely on prayer for a while and give my fingers a break for a minute.

[The R]

BTW..I am in no way defending AV's actions. He was very wrong going to Tara's acting this way. I just don't think his actions that day has anything to do with Tara's disappearance. I think the two had an affair and it was over by the time Tara disappeared and most likely ended on the day AV went to Tara's. MHOO I also left out in the above post that I believe Tara truly loved MH and wanted their relationship to continue. How this plays into her disappearance I dont know. As you can see I am all over things and all do not follow the same pattern but as I said I am thinking with my fingers about things that has been going throught my mind the last few hours.



I bet you're right about the timing of this incident.

How about this possibility? AV obviously deeply cared for Tara in some way. He may have known that Tara was seeing a guy that was already married (HD) and if he (AV) cared for her he may have felt that she was being taken advantage of. He may have had more scruples at the time than most others involved. I can see where he'd be angry enough to beat up on the door, esp. if he knew HD was there and she wasn't answering the door because of it. Of course as IJM said, AV was still in the wrong, but......

ALLMO.

R

[mooloo]

AV may have been in the wrong in this particular incident, but let us not forget that he was a high school student who was pursued by Tara, who WAS an adult and WHO should have NEVER allowed any kind of relationship other than teacher/student with AV, imoo. Surely AV was flattered with the attention and enjoyed their relationship, but, in spite of his size and age, he was still NOT the adult in this relationship.

High school kids, many of them, put on these BIG shows and BIG talk of being so mature, being so grown, etc., but many times it is all that...bluff. Probably 99% of the time it is bluff, or simply not knowing what being an adult really is.

And, perhaps AV enjoyed, and was proud of, the fact that his peers knew about the relationship with Tara.

Anyway...after saying all this....I feel that AV was an innocent victim in all of this. It is very surprising, given that so many students supposedly knew about the relationship, that it did not get leaked to the public, imoo. Tara would have had NOTHING but problems then.


I bet you're right about the timing of this incident.

How about this possibility? AV obviously deeply cared for Tara in some way. He may have known that Tara was seeing a guy that was already married (HD) and if he (AV) cared for her he may have felt that she was being taken advantage of. He may have had more scruples at the time than most others involved. I can see where he'd be angry enough to beat up on the door, esp. if he knew HD was there and she wasn't answering the door because of it. Of course as IJM said, AV was still in the wrong, but......

ALLMO.

R

[One2Snoop]

AV may have been in the wrong in this particular incident, but let us not forget that he was a high school student who was pursued by Tara, who WAS an adult and WHO should have NEVER allowed any kind of relationship other than teacher/student with AV, imoo. Surely AV was flattered with the attention and enjoyed their relationship, but, in spite of his size and age, he was still NOT the adult in this relationship.

High school kids, many of them, put on these BIG shows and BIG talk of being so mature, being so grown, etc., but many times it is all that...bluff. Probably 99% of the time it is bluff, or simply not knowing what being an adult really is.

And, perhaps AV enjoyed, and was proud of, the fact that his peers knew about the relationship with Tara.

Anyway...after saying all this....I feel that AV was an innocent victim in all of this. It is very surprising, given that so many students supposedly knew about the relationship, that it did not get leaked to the public, imoo. Tara would have had NOTHING but problems then.

IIRC didn't the "relationship" happen after he graduated from high school? I believe he's 21 now - so if this "relationship" happened in 2005 he would've been 19 at the time. And I always thought I heard he was a "former" student of Tara's? I stand to be corrected.

[One2Snoop]

Here's the clip from the NG interview stating AV was a former student of Tara's and he was age 20 at the time.....


GRACE: Now, everybody, Anthony Vickers had been -- he`s a young man. He had been a former student of Tara Grinstead`s. This is very important. Vickers believes that he has had a relationship with Tara. He had a big crush on her. He went to her house, started banging on the door. A neighbor called police. Now, it turns out that this friend on the police force tells the ex-boyfriend, Marcus Harper, about the incident. Do I have that straight, Anita? Correct me if I`m wrong.

GATTIS: You`ve got it.
Snip

GRACE: Anita, what do you make of this young boy? Well, he`s not a boy anymore -- he`s 20 now, I guess -- who believes he had a relationship with Tara, who was banging on her door?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html

[Its just me]

Here's the clip from the NG interview stating AV was a former student of Tara's and he was age 20 at the time.....


GRACE: Now, everybody, Anthony Vickers had been -- he`s a young man. He had been a former student of Tara Grinstead`s. This is very important. Vickers believes that he has had a relationship with Tara. He had a big crush on her. He went to her house, started banging on the door. A neighbor called police. Now, it turns out that this friend on the police force tells the ex-boyfriend, Marcus Harper, about the incident. Do I have that straight, Anita? Correct me if I`m wrong.

GATTIS: You`ve got it.
Snip

GRACE: Anita, what do you make of this young boy? Well, he`s not a boy anymore -- he`s 20 now, I guess -- who believes he had a relationship with Tara, who was banging on her door?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html

This is another part of the transcript with NG and AG. I think I am correct that Results posted that Fletcher was NOT the arresting officer. With this being the case AG continues to make untrue statements. Surely she had asked enough questions during her stay in Ocilla (this is a January 06 interview) to know Fletcher was not the arresting officer.

GRACE: Now, one last question. Is this the same police officer that Tara Grinstead tried to get fired?

GATTIS: I don`t know that she tried to get him fired, but she did file a formal complaint against him. Earlier, he...

GRACE: Why?

GATTIS: He had been the arresting officer in the incident with the student who tried to break into Tara`s home. Marcus was in Iraq at that time, and when Marcus got back, Officer Fletcher (ph) released some confidential information to Marcus concerning this incident.
GRACE: Are you talking about Anthony Vickers (ph)?

[One2Snoop]

*LOL* IJM - now you' ve gone and changed the subject on me but now that you point it out, I believe you are correct, Fletcher was not the arresting officer.

BTW - I just wanted to point out that AV was out of high school when he and Tara had their fling - so legally she did nothing wrong - morally I guess is another story.

[Its just me]

Here's the clip from the NG interview stating AV was a former student of Tara's and he was age 20 at the time.....


GRACE: Now, everybody, Anthony Vickers had been -- he`s a young man. He had been a former student of Tara Grinstead`s. This is very important. Vickers believes that he has had a relationship with Tara. He had a big crush on her. He went to her house, started banging on the door. A neighbor called police. Now, it turns out that this friend on the police force tells the ex-boyfriend, Marcus Harper, about the incident. Do I have that straight, Anita? Correct me if I`m wrong.

GATTIS: You`ve got it.
Snip

GRACE: Anita, what do you make of this young boy? Well, he`s not a boy anymore -- he`s 20 now, I guess -- who believes he had a relationship with Tara, who was banging on her door?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/12/ng.01.html

As I read the above transcript I had a good laugh. NG is not my favorite person and she was doing an interview with AG. That should be enough said for me but I cant move on with out my 2 cents of my knowledge of AV. "Who believes he had a relationship with Tara" This was pointed out twice...To me this looks like Grace is saying AV lives in lala land and just thinks he had a relationship with Tara. My strong opinion is AV is not out in lala land and is not a stupid young man and he has enough sense to know he had a relationship with Tara and so do many other people according to information I have received. I have known AV's grandparents and great grandparents for many years and also his dad but never have I heard anything mentioned that this grandchild/child was anything but a normal young man.

[dixinites]

*LOL* IJM - now you' ve gone and changed the subject on me but now that you point it out, I believe you are correct, Fletcher was not the arresting officer.

BTW - I just wanted to point out that AV was out of high school when he and Tara had their fling - so legally she did nothing wrong - morally I guess is another story.

You're right again, lol. Her relationship was with a "former" student, so my assumption that Tara was dodging that particular "bullet" was wrong. She probably didn't want either of them (or MH) to know about any relationships along those lines though, JMO.

Good luck to all of you! I hope there is a break in this case soon, for all of you "long-haulers" and for Tara:rose: ...Peace, D.

[fsbiii]

I've been told the relationship was going on while he was in high school, FWIW. I do not think AV has anything to do with Tara's disappearance, but her relationship with him speaks to Tara's lifestyle and character, IMO. And I do think those 2 things have something to do with her disappearance in one way or another.

BTW - I just wanted to point out that AV was out of high school when he and Tara had their fling - so legally she did nothing wrong - morally I guess is another story.

[Its just me]

*LOL* IJM - now you' ve gone and changed the subject on me but now that you point it out, I believe you are correct, Fletcher was not the arresting officer.

BTW - I just wanted to point out that AV was out of high school when he and Tara had their fling - so legally she did nothing wrong - morally I guess is another story.

I am sorry One2 didnt mean to get off the subject of AV's age. I don't have a correct answer. I dont know what the Georgia law is for this type thing. I think if someone is old enough to defend our nation they should be old enough to have sex if they desire. So if AV was out of highschool there probably was no crime by Tara. MHOO If we have only this interview to establish AV's age I say we are up the creek without a paddle because I dont see 100% truth in the interview. Just a thought. Maybe some local can confirm his age. Moo said he was a student (I think and if not I am so sorry moo) I do know Moo has been correct on many things for the local level.
One 2 I will try to stay on topic but I may mess up sometimes. Again I'm sorry. :)

[Brainstorm]

I've been told the relationship was going on while he was in high school, FWIW. I do not think AV has anything to do with Tara's disappearance, but her relationship with him speaks to Tara's lifestyle and character, IMO. And I do think those 2 things have something to do with her disappearance in one way or another.

I've heard the same thing-that it began while he was still in school.
ITA with the rest of your post.
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

I am sorry One2 didnt mean to get off the subject of AV's age. I don't have a correct answer. I dont know what the Georgia law is for this type thing. I think if someone is old enough to defend our nation they should be old enough to have sex if they desire. So if AV was out of highschool there probably was no crime by Tara. MHOO If we have only this interview to establish AV's age I say we are up the creek without a paddle because I dont see 100% truth in the interview. Just a thought. Maybe some local can confirm his age. Moo said he was a student (I think and if not I am so sorry moo) I do know Moo has been correct on many things for the local level.
One 2 I will try to stay on topic but I may mess up sometimes. Again I'm sorry. :)

*LOL* IJM I was just teasing you - :rose:

Thanks for the info fsbiii :seeya:

[Its just me]

*LOL* IJM I was just teasing you - :rose:

Thanks for the info fsbiii :seeya:

Oh One2 I knew you were teasing me but it never hurts to say "I'm sorry"
A :rose: for you also dear one.

[concernedperson]

So, we still no nothing. Understanding that this happened while he was still in school indicates this is child abuse. After 18 it indicates an irrational affair. We have nothing to confirm it either way. It doesn't help for someone to say it is true without substantial proof.

I believe this is my total point. I can like and admire so many but we don't have one iota of any proof. It isn't good enough to say a source...the source could be myopic.

If and until someone can post a true statement with a link to back it up it is all speculation.

I think that is where I am now. I want proof of who said what that is willing to go to court with that stance. I don't want pm's with more speculation as I can do that by myself.

If I sound testy it is because I am. I have invested a lot of time in this case and I am not willing to go with the theory of the week anymore. Of course, I have my own speculations but I can't prove a damn thing and am not trying. I want someone with real info to state so.

[Brainstorm]

good idea concernedperson.

you are right. this case has been so frustrating because so much of the information is he said/she said and no documentation and no one willing to step up and say i said or i saw. i am tired of it. after 15 months of this it seems like it is past time to throw caution to the wind and put cards on the table.

i think i will be stepping out too. i have become very short tempered with discussion lately and i don't want to be that way. i know everyone is tired and frustrated.

i think i will rely on prayer for a while and give my fingers a break for a minute.

I admire ALL OF YOU who have stuck it out this long.You made good points,RML.
The only thing left to do IMO is trust in God and LE.
Maybe there will be answers soon. I sincerely pray and hope for this.
JMHO

[Results]

:flamemad: This is a sad day indeed. I, Results, has never came to this board to start a rumor or tell a lie. I shoot it straight up and say what I think and don't care who likes it. I say what I mean and mean what I say. When someone told me they would send this report to me I was so excited finally WE would have this report. My contact said package was mailed. I thought a letter with 5 pages would arrive but it was a package with 19 pages. I could not wait to share this information with the members that have been here trying to find Tara and the problem was I don't know how to post a link. So, I said I will scan it and then e-mail it. Well it scanned all 19 pages but for some reason when I did a trial run to my e-mail it only printed one page and I still can't figure out how to put all 19 pages instead of having to send 19 e-mails. Then the package came at a crucial time in my job. All my tax forms, quarter, yearly, W-2's, 1099's had to be out by January 31st. I tried to share a little bit when I had time from the report because I was so excited WE FINALLY HAD THE TRUTH. That apparently as you can see was not good enough. When I had a chance to sit down and really read what was on these boards last night I could not believe what I was reading. Some of you that I have had the upmost respect for I wondered what happened to you. Where is that person that has been here fighting to keep Tara's case alive? Are you proud of yourselves? You locked down the board with all these hatred post. We had new members come on here and post now they left. What is it that went so wrong that this attitude and smark remarks needed to come into play here? The thing that really gripes my butt is I was so excited WE finally had some facts and couldn't wait to share them with you guys that has been right along the side of me trying to find the truth. All I can say is this sure turned out to be more of a surprise then the report itself. JMHO

[gagal]

:lol: :flamemad: This is a sad day indeed. I, Results, has never came to this board to start a rumor or tell a lie. I shoot it straight up and say what I think and don't care who likes it. I say what I mean and mean what I say. When someone told me they would send this report to me I was so excited finally WE would have this report. My contact said package was mailed. I thought a letter with 5 pages would arrive but it was a package with 19 pages. I could not wait to share this information with the members that have been here trying to find Tara and the problem was I don't know how to post a link. So, I said I will scan it and then e-mail it. Well it scanned all 19 pages but for some reason when I did a trial run to my e-mail it only printed one page and I still can't figure out how to put all 19 pages instead of having to send 19 e-mails. Then the package came at a crucial time in my job. All my tax forms, quarter, yearly, W-2's, 1099's had to be out by January 31st. I tried to share a little bit when I had time from the report because I was so excited WE FINALLY HAD THE TRUTH. That apparently as you can see was not good enough. When I had a chance to sit down and really read what was on these boards last night I could not believe what I was reading. Some of you that I have had the upmost respect for I wondered what happened to you. Where is that person that has been here fighting to keep Tara's case alive? Are you proud of yourselves? You locked down the board with all these hatred post. We had new members come on here and post now they left. What is it that went so wrong that this attitude and smark remarks needed to come into play here? The thing that really gripes my butt is I was so excited WE finally had some facts and couldn't wait to share them with you guys that has been right along the side of me trying to find the truth. All I can say is this sure turned out to be more of a surprise then the report itself. JMHO


:lol: I had to laugh when I read about the trouble you are having sending the documents that you got! You sound just like me!! Sometimes, no matter what I know or do with my computer & scanner, nothing comes out right!!!! I can be scatter brained, (work, kids..) and always miss a step! I could try to tell you how to do it, but I'm afraid you would really have a mess then!! The best way to do it is go to your scanners company home page and hit the big "HELP!!!!!" tab and then print away! I guess I'm old fashioned, but I prefer a good instuction book instead of help tabs!

[fsbiii]

Results-

Speaking for myself ONLY here... I appreciate you having the report and being willing to share. The problem, IMO, arose when just bits and pieces were being discussed and a question came up about who bailed AV out (or paid the fine, forfeited the bond, etc.). Also, people want to see the report since it's been a smoking gun for so long...and now it's REAL and OUT THERE. So I understand the frustration among members about this topic, and I understand your feelings from the post made earlier today. I don't think the board has been locked down with hateful posts at all. I do sense a frustration among the entire group here, and I include myself in that equation. There's just NOTHING NEW to discuss or analyze (except a certain person's posts in the wee hours every morning that seem to ignite everyone's fuses like nobody's business), and when you came on the board with the AV report, etc. - I think everyone JUMPED for the sizzle. I know I did... and I still am! (FWIW, I was also looking for discussion of this report at the other site and haven't seen it even mentioned except in passing by a copy/paste from someone else here & there).

I hope this makes sense and isn't offensive to anyone (because it wasn't designed to be at all).

[fsbiii]

I know you didn't use the word "tsar" in a post. I have a new respect for you, Merrick. *LOL*

Results,

The level of frustration on this board has picked up significantly over the last few weeks. We were finally engaging in mature discussion with new insight and some new information from RCM. Then, what happens, the trolls come out and start derailing, agitating and annoying the serious posters. Yes, a lot of us have been guilty of engaging them rather than putting them on ignore right away and that hasn't helped keep things on topic.

Most of us know that your R/L job keeps you very busy during tax season. We were lucky you had the time to post what information you did. And, it was pertinent and appreciated.

IMO, we've had as many as 25 people viewing and posting over the last 15 months, then we had as few as 2 or 3, recently we saw those numbers go up because we had some new thoughts and the information that HD was LE's #1 POI and his stop over at his friends house. Then what happened, the trolls came out from under their rocks and started tossing obscure theories that weren't beaten like a dusty old rug and put to rest. They've been insulting and distracting and they have successfully derailed any serious discussion of HD with bizarre stories of Tara being a drug tsar or informant, whatever.:rolleyes:

I'd hate to see the long haul group lose any members. And, there are a few newer posters that I'd hate to see abandon the cause. However, those who want to stay, myself included, will. Maybe after taking a break those that leave will come back with a renewed sense enthusiasm and new ideas. I just don't know. But, I sincerely hope RML, Lindsey, Dixie and Brainstorm stay.

And, thanks for the information that you found the time to post. It was appreciated.

Of course, JMHO and MOO.
Merrick

Results - you've been a driving force for Tara and that has made a difference:rose:

[Its just me]

:flamemad: This is a sad day indeed. I, Results, has never came to this board to start a rumor or tell a lie. I shoot it straight up and say what I think and don't care who likes it. I say what I mean and mean what I say. When someone told me they would send this report to me I was so excited finally WE would have this report. My contact said package was mailed. I thought a letter with 5 pages would arrive but it was a package with 19 pages. I could not wait to share this information with the members that have been here trying to find Tara and the problem was I don't know how to post a link. So, I said I will scan it and then e-mail it. Well it scanned all 19 pages but for some reason when I did a trial run to my e-mail it only printed one page and I still can't figure out how to put all 19 pages instead of having to send 19 e-mails. Then the package came at a crucial time in my job. All my tax forms, quarter, yearly, W-2's, 1099's had to be out by January 31st. I tried to share a little bit when I had time from the report because I was so excited WE FINALLY HAD THE TRUTH. That apparently as you can see was not good enough. When I had a chance to sit down and really read what was on these boards last night I could not believe what I was reading. Some of you that I have had the upmost respect for I wondered what happened to you. Where is that person that has been here fighting to keep Tara's case alive? Are you proud of yourselves? You locked down the board with all these hatred post. We had new members come on here and post now they left. What is it that went so wrong that this attitude and smark remarks needed to come into play here? The thing that really gripes my butt is I was so excited WE finally had some facts and couldn't wait to share them with you guys that has been right along the side of me trying to find the truth. All I can say is this sure turned out to be more of a surprise then the report itself. JMHO

Thank you for being the person you are and thank you for digging deep to find true answers to this case. Thank you for requesting this report and being willing to make it public. I know what January means when someone is involved getting things prepared for people to file their income tax. Jan 31 IS THE DEADLINE TO GET THIS DONE. I have been in contact with my accounting firm several times a week during January and there were late working hours into the night to be able to meet this deadline. Since you posted when you did I feel you meet your deadline. :) I posted a few post after your news and hope I did not appear not to be excited or doubt what you posted. I think it is the best news anyone has gained so far in this case. Documentation of events that will provide what actually took place..things that has been discussed with opinions (my included) that can finally be brought out to the open. I also 100% believe you tried hard to get this information to people and wish I could tell you how to get it done but I do good to get a post to the board. People have been on edge lately and I have no idea why except is may be full moon. I am not a moon person but a full moon sometime causes people to act up. I read a study on students in class and on full moon the teachers had more behavior problems. LOL I dont know if this is true because like I said I'm not a Moon person I try to stay in the sunshine (light) and even then its sometime hard to find my way. Please know I deeply appreciate you as well as many others and this may have to oneday come to an end but I am not ready to hang up my hat right now. With love to you and all who have devoted a lot of time to Tara. Its Just Me.

[janis]

Results,

I appreciate you for what you have been able to accomplish...don't let frustrations from postings stop you...you have always shared with others, what you were able to share, and I don't think we can ask for anything more...I personally thank you for what you have shared and hope you continue to do so......

:rose:

[Results]

I could not get the report to work by E-mail and I wanted someone with knowledge of the law to read it so that I would not mislead any information. I have faxed the report to fsbiii for him to examine the report and to tell you what the report says. I trust that he will do a fine job and I do appreciate him letting me fax the report to him and taking his time to examine it and report to you guys what it says. Once again I appreciate your help on this one fsbiii. Sincerely, Results

[One2Snoop]

Thank you Results, we've missed you! :rose:

[Brainstorm]

I think Tara become to much of a liability to a few close around her,HD,her own sister and BIL,for all the reasons posted since day 1,.........
each reationship with each of these people was........"strained"

These people knew who would be blamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old Boyfriend of course !!!!!!! .but what about the boyfriend (current at the time) HEATH ****S ??????
who as its been proven , was hiding out in Taras house at least once before.SNEAKY ..............

If AG & LG had a black truck.......maybe HD borrowed it ?
Maybe LG donated some drugs...........
I believe they, if not planned it out where at least all in the s ame mindset...
Tara had to go.......for HDs sake,AG & LGs sake.
I think HD Took her out, He didnt have to LURE her anywhere,simply go for a late night ride,with her lover.......and killed her.

I just figure he probably headed on those back river roads sorta N by NE
towards the Ocmulgee,already had a spot in mind...and dumped her.

The problem is this is only my Hypothetical theory, and there ARE MILES &
MIL ES OF THOSE RIVER ROADS............

JMHO

Of course,this is pure speculation on my part, but I haven't read or heard anything here that convinces me OTHERWISE.
still my honest opinion

[Brainstorm]

Hi, Brainstorm. How are you today?

Most of everything posted here is pure speculation except for the fact that Tara is missing, JMHO. I think you're right, Tara's relationships with others were strained. She appears to have been a high maintenance type person that would put a strain on any relationship, IMO. She did seem to be spiralling out of control so maybe she did push some buttons that were better left untouched. JMHO. I think that LRR area does need to be looked at a little more closely. JMHO.

Thanks for asking,Merrick,so-so,the cold,rainy weather does affect the old bones.....I just hope that damn groundhog was correct this morning and Spring will be here soon. I'm about ready to go to the river,myself.

I keep looking at the map someone here was so kind to post. There are two places I keep focusing on.
The lower river road-230/87 from Abbeville to Hawkinsville...........
and river road...between 129 & 319(from Bowens Mill across to 319)

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I believe that river road,from 129 to 319 is state road #182.

[Its just me]

I could not get the report to work by E-mail and I wanted someone with knowledge of the law to read it so that I would not mislead any information. I have faxed the report to fsbiii for him to examine the report and to tell you what the report says. I trust that he will do a fine job and I do appreciate him letting me fax the report to him and taking his time to examine it and report to you guys what it says. Once again I appreciate your help on this one fsbiii. Sincerely, Results

I appreciate you and fsbiii. Two Great minds working together.

[Brainstorm]

I appreciate you and fsbiii. Two Great minds working together.

now I SECOND THAT,

[Brainstorm]

I agree, good point by Results and you. Some time ago, it was mentioned that TG had said she was leaving the BBQ to view the pageant tape, is that correct? One poster mentioned this and the point was: could this have been an excuse to leave as a date/meeting was planned for later that night? Sounds reasonable. If so, could the repeated calls by HD been in response to TG telling him her plans that night, but not disclosing a name?

If that happened then he would have been freaking out. IMHO
I truly believe there was something going on with HD and Tara. IMHO Who knows....maybe he snapped. Something to really think about. I would think that it would be a slap in his face. JMHO

ITA--------still
JMHO

[sogalady]

I believe that river road,from 129 to 319 is state road #182.

I think that you are right , thus the confusion in the beginning (at least I was confused ) State Hwy # 182 , Old River Road. I haven't been on that road in quite sometime, but I remember traveling it MANY times when I was younger on my way to my brother's home in Warner Robins. I don't know how it is now, but when I was there it was VERY desolate, hardly any residental areas, as I remember . There were many little " three path roads" off of it which looked as though they went nowhere.

[fsbiii]

Just the Truth, et al:

Feel free to discuss what you've heard or theorized about B.W. here. Was it just a random toss-out to derail or is there some merit to the reference? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you show up and say something. I don't think his name has ever been discussed on the forums, so I won't drop it here for the sake of doing so.

[Its just me]

Just the Truth, et al:

Feel free to discuss what you've heard or theorized about B.W. here. Was it just a random toss-out to derail or is there some merit to the reference? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you show up and say something. I don't think his name has ever been discussed on the forums, so I won't drop it here for the sake of doing so.

Thanks fsb for this post. I have asked (my intentions) Just the Truth to share information he/she may know and promised I would read and consider what was said and I will respond but I need more than a BW because I dont know enough to post on BW except who is BW and the possible connection. Since the case has not been solved I appreciate you giving JTT a chance to provide some information that may be as important as any we have received. Will definate be watching for possible new information.

[Brainstorm]

Just the Truth, et al:

Feel free to discuss what you've heard or theorized about B.W. here. Was it just a random toss-out to derail or is there some merit to the reference? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you show up and say something. I don't think his name has ever been discussed on the forums, so I won't drop it here for the sake of doing so.

Thanks fsb for this post. I have asked (my intentions) Just the Truth to share information he/she may know and promised I would read and consider what was said and I will respond but I need more than a BW because I dont know enough to post on BW except who is BW and the possible connection. Since the case has not been solved I appreciate you giving JTT a chance to provide some information that may be as important as any we have received. Will definate be watching for possible new information.

when you guys figure this out,please fill us in, I cannot understand some posters & their initials & such.......mine is simple (IMO) brainstorm..bs.... & and I entirely aware that BS or bs has not escaped your notice..(this has been deep in it here,sometimes/)I can relate to bs.....
JMHO
I will also definitly be watching & listening for any info,......any will be greatly appreciated........JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I spent a good part of last evening re-reading through the threads, notes, articles, transcripts, etc. and I can find not one reference or mention of anyone with the initials B.W. I think this was thrown out there to derail the conversation on the Vicker's incident and any mention of a connection between AG, LG and HD. I'm just very suspicious of "new" posters who come here and start throwing out initials that can't be linked to Tara. IMO, it makes no sense and I doubt J4T has anything of substance to add. Of course, it JMLOHO and I apologize if I am wrong.:rolleyes:

thank you merrick,ITA and I believe we had actually wrapped up the AV incident & were once again LEFT WITH HD & AG AND LG, no less.....those derailers should go over ther with the other katz or circus animals,etc.jmho

[fsbiii]

I don't know if JTT is talking about this guy or not, but a B.W. is the stepfather of the dog bowl picker upper. I see no sense in commenting further unless JTT has something to discuss about it.

And for the record, I seriously doubt JTT is "new" in any capacity other than choice of username this month.

[Brainstorm]

fsbiii, thank you for identifying a potential owner of the initials B.W. I was going cross eyed trying to find someone! I agree, no further comments are necessary.

Have a wonderful day!

I agree on that,but does anyone want to discuss anything else? AG? speaking of that, I'm sorry for sounding harsh towards AG. I've been thinking about her,lately, This case IMO was about Tara,fro, the beginning and I developed quite a dislike for Taras sister..from the beginning.......so I have sort of dismissed her and became sarcastic about her,but I'm thinking about her now............Like Tara,LG has controll of her,maybe more so than Tara...
HD used AG (bad, IMO) so he thinks he has AG, fooled also.......
the same two people that we've (Ive) accused of making Tara disappear.....
AG is IIRC taking care of their dear mother.......so she is pretty much,,,,IMO
in seclusion? or am I totally wrong & Everything is Completly Opposite?
Maybe someone who really cares,IMO & is close enough to call themselves a FRIEND,should really check on Anita...........
I know someone that knows someone that could & would welcome AG or someone like her & while she rested,she could REST, & get this off her chest. & you know what I mean.....she would be completly safe from snakes & killers or bogey men.....JMHO

[Results]

Bumping for information that we might need in the near future!

[dixinites]

Yes, it has alot of info on the main POI...

[dixinites]

Bumping for information that we might need in the near future!

The future might be sooner than you think, lol.

[Brainstorm]

Bumping for information that we might need in the near future!

I sincerely hope you are right, Results. I am about ready to get up from here and go search somewhere. Of course,it would be good if the whole truth comes out, and none of us have to go out & search,but I am sitting on ready.
JMHO

[Its just me]

Happy Valentines Day Tara where ever you are.

We all here on ctv love you very much and truly want you found.


:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Atok]

Bumping love over garbage.

[Just The Truth]

From a legal standpoint, you have your client take a private polygraph so you know if he or she will pass or fail it without the public knowing it. If they fail, no one knows; if they pass, it's broadcast on the news. I bet Harper wouldn't take a police polygraph, still, even if his lawyer is out of court now....

You're right on the 5:30 am - 10:00 am time frame. I don't think "sleeping at home" is gonna cut it for an alibi once more of this is fleshed out.

The camera angle, the rehearsed answers, the private poly, the lawyer doing all the time frame talking instead of Harper... a lot of things add up to be disturbing about this interview.



Now here is something to talk about. Anyone want to join?

[Just The Truth]

Suzee-

Trust me, the GBI wouldn't have taken 2-3 weeks to polygraph Harper. You can divert that however you see fit, but the truth is--Harper and Pujadas leaped at the opportunity to have a "time conflict" so they could have the private one done and video'd for submission. You have your client take a private one when you don't know if he'll pass the government's. Ask any lawyer. Also, if they fail it, no one knows. You set the time, you set the surroundings. When they pass it, the GBI gets a courtesy copy. End of story.

The locals who want to help online still post. The stepsisters of Harper, his LE buddies, and the close friends--most of them have stopped because they saw it was getting them nowhere. And I did say "most" of them. I think even the spouse of the LE investigator has stopped posting on the boards defending Harper. Not sure on that yet.

I remember your posts from the very first forum, actually still have them in front of me. Defend him all you want, but the truth is tightening up.

All of this sounds very very logical. You are smart FSBIII and can see right through the deception. WTG!!!!

[fsbiii]

I love it when a fan stalks the hell out of my old posts.

[Its just me]

Now here is something to talk about. Anyone want to join?

Unless posters have changed their minds I don't think so or they did not participate on the GBI thread that disappeared. If you read all the posts on the threads you got the posts from fsbiii it is clear this has been discussed in detail. If you are a late in the game member trust me MH has been discussed in detail the same as HD is being discussed now. These posts by fsbiii prove this to anyone that is interested in the truth. As time passed information began to surface concerning HD and the people interested in finding the truth just have not got to the point of moving beyond HD. I don't think anyone has a problem with posters posting about MH if it is done in a manner that most subjects are brought to the board. Just the Truth I sincerely hope you accept it.

[Atok]

I think these two posts reflect FSBIII's earliest opinions on the case, much like many, there were reasons to see guilt in Harper AND we didn't have nearly the information we do today about HD. We didn't have the passage of time which reflects also on how both men have gone on to conduct their lives.

I think you are bringing these old posts up from the bowels of the case to taunt FSBIII (since we all know his opinion is different NOW) Then you post a second one from the archives with a backwards slap about "being intelligent" for suspecting Harper at the outset, when in actuality you're just being snarky.

It would be a much nicer tact to ask directly how a poster's opinion developed to what it is today, if you were truly interested, which I doubt. I know FSBIII can defend his own self, but I just was watching these two posts coming from you and had to shake my head at the obvious game playing going on. Why don't YOU add how YOU feel about Harper then and now instead of trying to mock other posters with your attack position? It's transparent.

Everybody's opinions grow and develop over the course of an investigation, time reveals new details which change your stance, unless of course you are hell-bent on framing someone which is exactly how I see the people still hounding Harper at this point in the case.

[fsbiii]

Except the AG robots from afar.

Everybody's opinions grow and develop over the course of an investigation...

[Results]

It was nice to see that these posters were not so blind when the information of HD started coming out! I wonder why the information on HD was hid for so long? More than likely they hid it for the purpose of MH who was taking most of the heat! The one thing I did notice was the ones that were taking up for MH almost all their post showed respect towards other posters. HD's defenders do hit and run post, derail the topics, and some are very vile posters. That speaks volumes to me. JMHO

[Its just me]

I think these two posts reflect FSBIII's earliest opinions on the case, much like many, there were reasons to see guilt in Harper AND we didn't have nearly the information we do today about HD. We didn't have the passage of time which reflects also on how both men have gone on to conduct their lives.

I think you are bringing these old posts up from the bowels of the case to taunt FSBIII (since we all know his opinion is different NOW) Then you post a second one from the archives with a backwards slap about "being intelligent" for suspecting Harper at the outset, when in actuality you're just being snarky.

It would be a much nicer tact to ask directly how a poster's opinion developed to what it is today, if you were truly interested, which I doubt. I know FSBIII can defend his own self, but I just was watching these two posts coming from you and had to shake my head at the obvious game playing going on. Why don't YOU add how YOU feel about Harper then and now instead of trying to mock other posters with your attack position? It's transparent.

Everybody's opinions grow and develop over the course of an investigation, time reveals new details which change your stance, unless of course you are hell-bent on framing someone which is exactly how I see the people still hounding Harper at this point in the case.

Actually giving JTT a chance to voice their opinion is a good idea. I am not being smart I truly would like to know what JTT thinks. JTT the board is wide open giving you an opportunity to be heard.

[concernedperson]

Actually giving JTT a chance to voice their opinion is a good idea. I am not being smart I truly would like to know what JTT thinks. JTT the board is wide open giving you an opportunity to be heard.
And I agree with that. I was a different poster in the beginning with the info I had.I am goiing to stay wide open until Tara is brought home.

[Atok]

Absolutely, JTT... Lay out your opinions and facts. It makes sense to express to the boards your position.

I will listen to anyone who presents logical, rational discourse to this case. We are all sick of hit and run sniping posts that serve only to reinforce the drama between posters and have nothing to do with ending this tragedy once and for all.

So let's discuss why you believe exactly whatever it is you believe! That's the point of these boards and I for one would love to hear the rational behind your position when Tara first was missing AND your position now.

[Just The Truth]

It was nice to see that these posters were not so blind when the information of HD started coming out! I wonder why the information on HD was hid for so long? More than likely they hid it for the purpose of MH who was taking most of the heat! The one thing I did notice was the ones that were taking up for MH almost all their post showed respect towards other posters. HD's defenders do hit and run post, derail the topics, and some are very vile posters. That speaks volumes to me. JMHO

There are things that I see are still questionable about MH. To me, his alibi is not concrete. There are still some hours that weren't accounted for.

On the HD subject, I do not know HD at all. I have never defended him as some of the posters say here. 90% of what the posters are posting about HD seems to be speculation at my view point. Yes HD was there over the weekend Tara went missing per Dr. Godwin's statement and that is all I have seen to go on. We do not know if he had a LDT or not but I would think that HD more than likely being in LE that he has had a LDT and passed it. I would like to think that he would not be working as LE today if GBI suspected he was guilty of anything.

[fsbiii]

I still can't get past the song & dance JTT did with BJ, Seems2Me & Manny the other night on that "special topic" of theirs. It's obvious this is a tried and true nicswitcher with a master's degree in derailing, IMO. The throw-back to my old posts tonight is another favorite tactic of theirs.

I think I'll sit back and watch the master baiter at work.

[hypnotized]

Absolutely, JTT... Lay out your opinions and facts. It makes sense to express to the boards your position.

I will listen to anyone who presents logical, rational discourse to this case. We are all sick of hit and run sniping posts that serve only to reinforce the drama between posters and have nothing to do with ending this tragedy once and for all.

So let's discuss why you believe exactly whatever it is you believe! That's the point of these boards and I for one would love to hear the rational behind your position when Tara first was missing AND your position now.

ITA, Atok. Many of our theories have morphed/changed, including mine. It is good to hear other thoughts, but we have all grown so very impatient with the hit & run tactics by some posters. Tara deserves better. I read here most every day, and sometimes the posting is well thought out and intelligent, but sometimes ... :confused:

I wish I were a more valuable contributor to this board, and whenever time permits, I will chime in with my opinion. But until that time, I will depend on the contributions of our MVP's, Atok, Results, IJM, fsbiii, cb, cp, the R, Odette, Lindsey, et al., and I'm sure I am leaving too many good posters out!. :patriot:

JTT... Waiting to hear your theory.

[Its just me]

There are things that I see are still questionable about MH. To me, his alibi is not concrete. There are still some hours that weren't accounted for.

On the HD subject, I do not know HD at all. I have never defended him as some of the posters say here. 90% of what the posters are posting about HD seems to be speculation at my view point. Yes HD was there over the weekend Tara went missing per Dr. Godwin's statement and that is all I have seen to go on. We do not know if he had a LDT or not but I would think that HD more than likely being in LE that he has had a LDT and passed it. I would like to think that he would not be working as LE today if GBI suspected he was guilty of anything.



JTT In my opinion I still have questions concerning MH. MH presented a public alibi and the witnessed have not been on a witness stand so I can not say all his time is accounted for. I see there is possible some time that may not be.
I started with this case with information that was given out in the beginning and most of it concerned MH then AV and on down the line to HD and we are in the middle of HD as we were in the middle of MH in the beginning. What we know about MH is he dated Tara and there were problems with this relationship. MH was at the bar. MH came back to Ocilla and met SF then went home after going on some LE calls where there are witnesses. What MH did between this time is only speculation also. There is no evidence so far that has put MH at Tara's house the weekend she disappeared.
I believe the calling card HD left confirms he was at Tara's Sunday/Monday at 12:15 am. I also think there is enough evidence to confirm that HD and Tara were in a relationship when she disappeared.
I could make a long post out of this going over what information we have on MH and HD. Some of it is fact I think we can rely on and some of it is speculation for both MH and HD. So I think this puts you and I on about the same grounds.
The part I do not understand is why some things cannot be discussed with out posters derailing the topic with such elementary posts they loose all credibility getting into a sensible discussion. We all are different down to our DNA so it is impossible to have a group of people that think alike on everything. Until this case is solved no one can say their thoughts are more correct than another's but there are some things that has been brought to the board that can not be denied and it certainly raises a big red flag. I certainly am not an expert in solving cases but I think a true search to solve any mystery will be to start where the person was last known to be and go backward and then forwards with information who a missing persons had contacts with. I strong believe that what many posters have done since day one and as new information comes in we adjust our discussions in that direction and it is so sad that some members are not willing to going in and offer any sensible opinion speculation but derailing to the point there is nothing being said that makes any sense and I have to ask WHY? Until a member comes to the board with decent discussions I am going to stick with the members that seem to be interested in finding out the truth no matter which side of the fence the ball falls on.
No JTT I don't think you have ever defended HD but what to you have to say that will justify your past actions here on the ctv board.
I also would like to here from others.
I will end by saying as I have gained information I cannot get beyond HD being my main POI simply because he was at her house the weekend she disappeared. I also factor in many other things. My mind is not closed as it was not closed in the beginning when most of the information we had was only concerning MH. I hope this will help you see my thoughts and I kindly ask you to continue post as you did in this post I am replying and leave the other mess off the board. I also send the same message to others who have been a problem for what reason I just have not figured out but I do have an opinion and speculations. IJM and only my very humble opinion

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I have seen several posters say there could be someone that we don't know about that could be involved. I have gave this alot of thought and I can't come up with how/when. Tara was going to college, helping in pageants, holding down a full time job as a teacher (probably grades papers and does alot of work at home) and goes to church on Sunday's with her Mom in Hawkinsville (I think that is what someone said). Where/how/when did she have the time to meet with someone else? Where did she meet them, how did she meet them, and when did she have time to meet them? JMHO

Also, any teachers that can tell us if they do alot of grading papers and planning lessons at home. I don't know any teachers but it would be nice to know from their experience how much time they take doing work at home for their classroom. TIA for anybody that can help!

[fsbiii]

I know of one guy who was interviewed by GBI that had met Tara in graduate classes and was often seen talking to her at her vehicle after class, etc. I think she met many people in those classes and the towns they were held in that may not have been "identified" by any of us or on any forums.

I also think Tara had opportunities to be with people when she was supposed to be in school at night and skipped.

There was info at one time that she was not doing well in grad school and had missed classes, missed assignments, and was doing extra work to try to graduate in Dec. 2005.

Just opinions and observations. I can see where an "unknown" could be involved, but there is NOTHING imo that points that way that we're aware of. I think there would be a phone or email trail to these guys, but there very well could be and we aren't aware. For instance, the guy mentioned in my first paragraph. The GBI knew something to interview him.

There is a lot that points to a "known" that has not been answered, for sure.

[Its just me]

I have seen several posters say there could be someone that we don't know about that could be involved. I have gave this alot of thought and I can't come up with how/when. Tara was going to college, helping in pageants, holding down a full time job as a teacher (probably grades papers and does alot of work at home) and goes to church on Sunday's with her Mom in Hawkinsville (I think that is what someone said). Where/how/when did she have the time to meet with someone else? Where did she meet them, how did she meet them, and when did she have time to meet them? JMHO

Also, any teachers that can tell us if they do alot of grading papers and planning lessons at home. I don't know any teachers but it would be nice to know from their experience how much time they take doing work at home for their classroom. TIA for anybody that can help!

It does make you wonder how much time Tara had to spend on her personal life. I don't know how much work load a teacher has to take home with them but I think there is some. I believe Mr. P may have stated something about Tara grading papers (not sure) With this said I will add that I do believe there were other men in Tara's life even close to the time she disappeared. I think there were some who came forward to give DNA on their own to clear their name or maybe to keep their names out of tlhe public as possible POI. This information can have holes punched in it but my source is one of my very dependable ones and I considered there is a great possibility it is true.

[Its just me]

I know of one guy who was interviewed by GBI that had met Tara in graduate classes and was often seen talking to her at her vehicle after class, etc. I think she met many people in those classes and the towns they were held in that may not have been "identified" by any of us or on any forums.

I also think Tara had opportunities to be with people when she was supposed to be in school at night and skipped.

There was info at one time that she was not doing well in grad school and had missed classes, missed assignments, and was doing extra work to try to graduate in Dec. 2005.

Just opinions and observations. I can see where an "unknown" could be involved, but there is NOTHING imo that points that way that we're aware of. I think there would be a phone or email trail to these guys, but there very well could be and we aren't aware. For instance, the guy mentioned in my first paragraph. The GBI knew something to interview him.

There is a lot that points to a "known" that has not been answered, for sure.

As always well said. I think you are on target with your opinions and observations.
Your last sentence cannot be disputed by the best.

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Thanks for the information fsbiii. I don't recall ever hearing about that guy. What I do recall is that AG/LG said that LG had to go investigate the college because LE/GBI would not. The college information that you have could support the ones that think she is alive. IF she didn't graduate she would have had to look at her students and her co-workers where I'm sure she preached about education. I don't know that I'm assuming that so I hope that doesn't get me into trouble. IF she wasn't going to graduate that would make a real difference IMO. Once again thanks for the information.

[fsbiii]

I'm not exactly sure what LG's detective work on the campuses was all about, really. I know they got on TV and talked about how the students were "gone" and could never be questioned since classes were out (??), but it seemed mighty "look at us, having to do all the work, etc." to me. I doubt the GBI failed to canvas and talk to people in her classes. Now they might not have went to a gymnasium and called in every grad student from VSU's satellite programs in Tifton & Waycross to have a big meeting for a camera to film, but I would hope they wouldn't.

Someone closer to the school setting can discuss Tara's role at the middle school better. I've been told she was a "part-time administrator" by one person, and another said she had to show some hours "interning" (for lack of a better term) in admin for her classes. I've never heard of a full time teacher being a part-time administrator in a school system, so I tend to think it wasn't really a "position" but more of a grad school related task.

"ANITA GATTIS: She had already gotten her master`s degree in history. She had gotten a specialist degree in administration, and she was about to start her doctoral program to get a Ph.D. in history and administration. That`s how driven and determined that she was. So that should tell everyone she did not just drop off the face of the earth."

Did she have a specialist degree in anything yet? What was the Dec. 2005 graduate degree gonna be? I tend to think she was pursuing an Educational Leadership Doctorate and not a Ph.D. in history and administration. I'd like to know the truth on this to see (1) what Tara was really doing in grad school and (2) if Anita really knew herself.

[fsbiii]

Replying to myself, but here's Faye Grinstead contradicting AG on this issue:

GRACE: What was the degree she was seeking?
GRINSTEAD: She was getting her specialist degree.
GRACE: And that would prepare her to seek her doctorate?
GRINSTEAD: Yes, that was last step before she started on her doctorate.
GRACE: Was that in history or education?
GRINSTEAD: It was administrative.
GRACE: Oh, to be a school principal.
GRINSTEAD: Educational leadership.

So Faye says no specialist degree yet and seeking Ed.D.
Anita says specialist degree obtained, seeking Ph.D. in history and admin.

Not that any of this matters other than to show inconsistency.

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Hearing that your not going to graduate would be more like pulling off the road and can't drive home to call for help. I have never understood not being able to drive home. It seems to me as more drama then being upset. I'm basing that opinion on what would make me not be able to drive. It seems like everything was going down hill for her and of her own doing. When I say that I'm speaking of not going to class and not doing assignments...she's a teacher...she's been to college she knows what is to be expected to get her degree and graduate. Wonder what was really going on with her for her not to give 100% to her college studies. It's a shame we may never know. JMHO

[fsbiii]

I'll never ever understand the pulling off the road and needing help to get home thing. That is just beyond anything I can fathom other than physical injury or exhaustion from being awake 48 hours straight or something.

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Good morning, Results,

I hadn't thought of that before. Excellent point! What if Tara had just learned that she didn't have the requisite credits or GPA to graduate in December? That would be devastating to someone so determined to succeed academically. If she had discussed this with her co-workers, and I'm sure she did ergo the P/T admin duties, and her students it would be very embarassing for her. That could have caused the incident requiring MH's parents to come fetch her. Her worlds were colliding and she was spiralling out of control. I just can't imagine how distraught she would have been if this was the case. JMLOHO.

Good morning, Merrick!

That would be a very hard blow for her to handle knowing what we do know about her. IMO

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I'll never ever understand the pulling off the road and needing help to get home thing. That is just beyond anything I can fathom other than physical injury or exhaustion from being awake 48 hours straight or something.

ITA with you! I don't understand that either.

[fsbiii]

That would suffice, I would imagine.

Or a natural-born, South-Georgia-DIVA hissy fit, too. :)

How about the onset of a complete mental and emotional breakdown?

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How about the onset of a complete mental and emotional breakdown?

Even then I just can't grasp not being able to drive. JMHO

[Results]

I've only seen one person completely lose it and it wasn't pretty. This happened at work and I can tell you I would have lost my job if I would have let her get behind the wheel of her car and drive. I called 911 and let the paramedics deal with it. It was beyond anything I was equipped to deal with. So, yes, I can see a circumstance where someone could not drive safely. JMHO.

Merrick, to me it is more of who she called. I would have been too embarrased to call my ex's parents to come and get me. She could have called a very good friend to help her home. Anyone except my ex's parents. That doesn't make sense to me. Let's say she couldn't drive why call them and not a really good friend? I just don't understand it! JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I believe she purposely called them so MH would know she was having a hard time without him and it was just part of Taras game.(she wanted MH back)
JMHO

[fsbiii]

IMO, the Harpers were her parent-figures.

Merrick, to me it is more of who she called. I would have been too embarrased to call my ex's parents to come and get me. She could have called a very good friend to help her home. Anyone except my ex's parents. That doesn't make sense to me. Let's say she couldn't drive why call them and not a really good friend? I just don't understand it! JMHO

[Dr Lewdwig]

I'm new to this forum but have read most of the threads. What can you do without any meaningful evidence? All we know for sure is that TG, her purse, car keys, ear rings, and a few clothes have vanished. We don't know if she is dead or alive. We are left with her known friends, relatives, neighbors, and any unknown person that she had contact with between Saturday night and Monday morning. We can speculate on what happened. We can imagine that someone she trusted came to her door and she went with them. We can imagine that she went out to feed her dog or went jogging Sunday and someone grabbed her. But that leads nowhere, its speculation. To try to figure out what occurred, we look at the actions of the few known people that she associated with. We weigh all the things we have read about these people and and then we speculate. Without a body, no evidence, and no confession, this mystery won't be solved.

[fsbiii]

I agree. It's all speculation and theory. But what else can we do?

I'm new to this forum but have read most of the threads. What can you do without any meaningful evidence? All we know for sure is that TG, her purse, car keys, ear rings, and a few clothes have vanished. We don't know if she is dead or alive. We are left with her known friends, relatives, neighbors, and any unknown person that she had contact with between Saturday night and Monday morning. We can speculate on what happened. We can imagine that someone she trusted came to her door and she went with them. We can imagine that she went out to feed her dog or went jogging Sunday and someone grabbed her. But that leads nowhere, its speculation. To try to figure out what occurred, we look at the actions of the few known people that she associated with. We weigh all the things we have read about these people and and then we speculate. Without a body, no evidence, and no confession, this mystery won't be solved.

[Results]

This article has always bothered me because LG said that Faye was so upset about the allegations against LG and Tara having an affair that she wanted to come down there tonight....why didn't LG and AG let Faye speake to Greta?

VAN SUSTEREN: Anita, what do you make of the fact that they don't think that your husband was telling the truth in the polygraph? Do you think that they had a bad polygrapher? Do you think they were lying to Larry? What do you think?

A. GATTIS: Well, they told him he passed the polygraph except for one question and we've been told that, you know, that's not how they give you, you know, pass or fail. It's not you passed everything but one question.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did they tell you what the question was?

A. GATTIS: Yes, it was that he had had an affair with Tara.

VAN SUSTEREN: And, Dr. Gattis, Larry, I mean you deny that, I mean you say that they're lying about that, Larry, is that right?

L. GATTIS: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Immediately when I left, I was hurt. I was upset. I called Anita. I called Faye (ph), Anita and Tara's mother. I told her. She's been livid about it. Actually, she wanted to come down tonight and come on too to talk about this. She was really upset.
But, they didn't seem concerned about really if I had done anything with Tara involved in the disappearance. It was more like something, you know, they had on me. They said, "Don't worry, we won't tell your wife." I said, "That's fine. I'm going to go tell her right now because it's all, you know, absolutely preposterous."

VAN SUSTEREN: All right and still and the bottom line is Tara's been missing since October 22nd and still no sign of her lots of searches. Larry, Anita, thank you both very much and, you know, the search goes on for Tara. Thank you.

A. GATTIS: Thank you.

L. GATTIS: Thank you.

Here was a very good time for Faye to come forward. LG's own words says she wanted to be on there too! JMO

[Its just me]

I believe she purposely called them so MH would know she was having a hard time without him and it was just part of Taras game.(she wanted MH back)
JMHO

Brainstorm, I think this could be a possibility. Tara was not letting MH go very easy. With information I have Tara was somewhat of a pest to some of MH's family after the split. No information that Tara was disrespectful in any way but that she involved them in her and MH's problems. Its possible Tara could play this game very dramatic. I think Tara would have been close to MH's family but how close I don't know. Kind of unusual but my mother-in-law was my best friend and if hubby and I had a problem I did go to her not as a mother-in-law but as a best friend. Sometimes she petted me and sometimes she didn't. :D
On the other side I know it is possible for people to totally lose it but when this happens they usually are not fine the next day. I am acquainted with a lady that was having a lot of stress in her life and had a life history of stressful things. One day she snapped and it took several months for her to be able to come back home and function.
Didn't Tara miss the next day of school and if so she could have been upset.
I also think there are more than one person that knows Tara was capable of having a screaming, stomping, ugly South Georgia temper fit.

[Its just me]

I'm new to this forum but have read most of the threads. What can you do without any meaningful evidence? All we know for sure is that TG, her purse, car keys, ear rings, and a few clothes have vanished. We don't know if she is dead or alive. We are left with her known friends, relatives, neighbors, and any unknown person that she had contact with between Saturday night and Monday morning. We can speculate on what happened. We can imagine that someone she trusted came to her door and she went with them. We can imagine that she went out to feed her dog or went jogging Sunday and someone grabbed her. But that leads nowhere, its speculation. To try to figure out what occurred, we look at the actions of the few known people that she associated with. We weigh all the things we have read about these people and and then we speculate. Without a body, no evidence, and no confession, this mystery won't be solved.

Welcome Dr Lewdwig, would be kind enough to provide more information on "a few clothes". I totally agree with the purse, car keys and ear rings but as far as I know we have no evidence that Tara left with clothes on, took clothes with her or left naked.
I completely agree without a body, or confession this mystery won't be solved.
I disagree that there is NO evidence of possibilities.
I take a message board as a place many people come because they like discussions and enjoy trying to put a puzzle together but I also see much compassion that there is a lost human being that is part of this particular puzzle.
We have LE all over the United States and I firmly believe when they begin a case to investigate they start most of the time by speculating and simply build on that and they are just like us they will not solve a case without evidence.
I care very much that Tara is missing and I also have other things in my life that I care very much about and I talk about all of them as most of us do in our lives. CTV just happens to be a place where I come and talk about Tara. No different than sitting in my living room or around my kitchen table discussing the things I care about with people I can talk to in person. I appreciate CTV providing a place for me to come.

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IJM, nothing better then sitting here drinking a cup of coffee and talking to you! We need a coffee toast! ;)

[Its just me]

IJM, nothing better then sitting here drinking a cup of coffee and talking to you! We need a coffee toast! ;)

Same here Results, I treasure the people I have been able to discuss Tara with and I usually bring my coffe cup with me to the computer.

Thanks Merrick and all the rest for being a great bunch of people.

[One2Snoop]

I have seen several posters say there could be someone that we don't know about that could be involved. I have gave this alot of thought and I can't come up with how/when. Tara was going to college, helping in pageants, holding down a full time job as a teacher (probably grades papers and does alot of work at home) and goes to church on Sunday's with her Mom in Hawkinsville (I think that is what someone said). Where/how/when did she have the time to meet with someone else? Where did she meet them, how did she meet them, and when did she have time to meet them? JMHO

Also, any teachers that can tell us if they do alot of grading papers and planning lessons at home. I don't know any teachers but it would be nice to know from their experience how much time they take doing work at home for their classroom. TIA for anybody that can help!

I know alot of teachers and the amount of time they spend on grading/planning depends on the subject they teach. The history teacher I know, knew his subject so well that he rarely brought anything home and took advantage of every minute he had during "school hours" to grade papers etc... The science teacher I know, spends anywhere from 1-3 hours everyday doing work at home. Maybe Tara saved all her assignments for the week to grade on sunday - I would imagine that would take up a good chunk of time.

I wonder if any homework/assignments were found in her home and if any of them had been graded? I think this would indicate whether or not she was there on Sunday because we already know she was very busy up until 11 PM on Saturday.

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I know alot of teachers and the amount of time they spend on grading/planning depends on the subject they teach. The history teacher I know, knew his subject so well that he rarely brought anything home and took advantage of every minute he had during "school hours" to grade papers etc... The science teacher I know, spends anywhere from 1-3 hours everyday doing work at home. Maybe Tara saved all her assignments for the week to grade on sunday - I would imagine that would take up a good chunk of time.

I wonder if any homework/assignments were found in her home and if any of them had been graded? I think this would indicate whether or not she was there on Sunday because we already know she was very busy up until 11 PM on Saturday.

Thank you for that information. That is an excellent thought if any of the papers were graded if she had any! Good job!

[Brainstorm]

That's why we post on this forum. To speculate and try to sleuth a probable scenario of what may have happened to Tara. Someone, somewhere knows what happened to Tara and where she is. These forums are just way in which these seemingly cold cases stay warm. No harm, no foul, it is what it is. JMHO.

I'll never ever understand the pulling off the road and needing help to get home thing. That is just beyond anything I can fathom other than physical injury or exhaustion from being awake 48 hours straight or something.

How about the onset of a complete mental and emotional breakdown?

ITA with you! I don't understand that either.

That would suffice, I would imagine.

Or a natural-born, South-Georgia-DIVA hissy fit, too. :)

Aren't they one in the same?:eek: J/K

Brainstorm, I think this could be a possibility. Tara was not letting MH go very easy. With information I have Tara was somewhat of a pest to some of MH's family after the split. No information that Tara was disrespectful in any way but that she involved them in her and MH's problems. Its possible Tara could play this game very dramatic. I think Tara would have been close to MH's family but how close I don't know. Kind of unusual but my mother-in-law was my best friend and if hubby and I had a problem I did go to her not as a mother-in-law but as a best friend. Sometimes she petted me and sometimes she didn't. :D
On the other side I know it is possible for people to totally lose it but when this happens they usually are not fine the next day. I am acquainted with a lady that was having a lot of stress in her life and had a life history of stressful things. One day she snapped and it took several months for her to be able to come back home and function.
Didn't Tara miss the next day of school and if so she could have been upset.
I also think there are more than one person that knows Tara was capable of having a screaming, stomping, ugly South Georgia temper fit.

fsbiii,certainly you havent experienced one of these,because if you cant fathom this happening,over a man,then you aint lived....
you are thinking like a man and no way could you EVER understand this, so just take the female point of view and believe me.............that was actually mild,IMO,........

I've stated my opinion,and have no proof what so ever, other than it is my opinion only that Hd was involved,but it seems that it makes some uncomfortable,so I'll just put my accusations on hold..................but I have got to say and all your posts are proving it..........Heath ****s was involved.......no ifs,ands and buts.....IMOO

[fsbiii]

I think this topic was mentioned a long time ago about student papers or projects being "missing". Someone else will have to fill in the gaps on that info.

[fsbiii]

I have no idea what you mean here, but IMO a 30-year-old educated school teacher who "breaks down" (not the vehicle) on the side of the road and can't drive home smells of high drama & attention-starvation to me and not much more. I think some women would agree with me on that.

fsbiii,certainly you havent experienced one of these,because if you cant fathom this happening,over a man,then you aint lived....
you are thinking like a man and no way could you EVER understand this, so just take the female point of view and believe me.............that was actually mild,IMO,........

[Brainstorm]

I have no idea what you mean here, but IMO a 30-year-old educated school teacher who "breaks down" (not the vehicle) on the side of the road and can't drive home smells of high drama & attention-starvation to me and not much more. I think some women would agree with me on that.

"high drama & attention-starvation &not much more" is exactly what I meant.
JMHO

[fsbiii]

Well, what do you think it was? What was "mild"? From a female perspective, please share. And no, I've "never experienced one of these," so I'm inclined to be enlightened by anyone who has. (I have emailed with someone around Tara when all this happened that day, so I'm using their feelings about the situation in my assessment, as well).

"high drama & attention-starvation &not much more" is exactly what I meant.
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Well, what do you think it was? What was "mild"? From a female perspective, please share. And no, I've "never experienced one of these," so I'm inclined to be enlightened by anyone who has. (I have emailed with someone around Tara when all this happened that day, so I'm using their feelings about the situation in my assessment, as well).

I dont doubt that Tara didnt get upset to the point of having to pull over while driving......I can see several things,school,personal relationships,tec.
that probably overwhelmed her.Her choice after she did this,to call MH parents is what makes me believe she still wanted Marcus & this was only one way to get close to him,thru them.
I meant it was mild in comparison to some of the other remarks from posters about ones that had dated Tara said it was her way or no way & she could have tantrums IIRC.
I shouldnt have mention anything about the so ga hizzy fits posts...
sorry
JMHO

[Its just me]

I think this topic was mentioned a long time ago about student papers or projects being "missing". Someone else will have to fill in the gaps on that info.

We probably will not find the truth about any missing papers and I know it does little good to guess. I sure would like to know if there were papers missing that Tara would have had at home. "Not something that could have just been misplaced" Really missing papers would indicated Tara left and took the papers to work on while she was gone with intentions of returning or someone removed the papers to throw the investigation off track to point in the direction that she left on her own. Just a rambling mind that goes no where.

[HanginOut]

Perhaps Tara did try calling a friend first.....how do we know whom she tried to reach for help before calling Larry and Deena Harper....does anyone know anything for certain???


Merrick, to me it is more of who she called. I would have been too embarrased to call my ex's parents to come and get me. She could have called a very good friend to help her home. Anyone except my ex's parents. That doesn't make sense to me. Let's say she couldn't drive why call them and not a really good friend? I just don't understand it! JMHO

[scubadvr99]

I have no idea what you mean here, but IMO a 30-year-old educated school teacher who "breaks down" (not the vehicle) on the side of the road and can't drive home smells of high drama & attention-starvation to me and not much more. I think some women would agree with me on that.
I feel my drama meter going up on this one too. While she may have been upset to drive for a few minutes, I can't see having to call someone to come drive you home IMOO

[Results]

I have no idea what you mean here, but IMO a 30-year-old educated school teacher who "breaks down" (not the vehicle) on the side of the road and can't drive home smells of high drama & attention-starvation to me and not much more. I think some women would agree with me on that.

I have already stated my opinion on the matter and I do agree with you.

[Its just me]

Perhaps Tara did try calling a friend first.....how do we know whom she tried to reach for help before calling Larry and Deena Harper....does anyone know anything for certain???

I am copying and pasting to bring this forward because there may be an answer to your question it here. I also posted a reply to JTT that also may be of some help to you.

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Originally Posted by Dr Lewdwig
I'm new to this forum but have read most of the threads. What can you do without any meaningful evidence? All we know for sure is that TG, her purse, car keys, ear rings, and a few clothes have vanished. We don't know if she is dead or alive. We are left with her known friends, relatives, neighbors, and any unknown person that she had contact with between Saturday night and Monday morning. We can speculate on what happened. We can imagine that someone she trusted came to her door and she went with them. We can imagine that she went out to feed her dog or went jogging Sunday and someone grabbed her. But that leads nowhere, its speculation. To try to figure out what occurred, we look at the actions of the few known people that she associated with. We weigh all the things we have read about these people and and then we speculate. Without a body, no evidence, and no confession, this mystery won't be solved.

Welcome Dr Lewdwig, would be kind enough to provide more information on "a few clothes". I totally agree with the purse, car keys and ear rings but as far as I know we have no evidence that Tara left with clothes on, took clothes with her or left naked.
I completely agree without a body, or confession this mystery won't be solved.
I disagree that there is NO evidence of possibilities.
I take a message board as a place many people come because they like discussions and enjoy trying to put a puzzle together but I also see much compassion that there is a lost human being that is part of this particular puzzle.
We have LE all over the United States and I firmly believe when they begin a case to investigate they start most of the time by speculating and simply build on that and they are just like us they will not solve a case without evidence.
I care very much that Tara is missing and I also have other things in my life that I care very much about and I talk about all of them as most of us do in our lives. CTV just happens to be a place where I come and talk about Tara. No different than sitting in my living room or around my kitchen table discussing the things I care about with people I can talk to in person. I appreciate CTV providing a place for me to come.

[Results]

Perhaps Tara did try calling a friend first.....how do we know whom she tried to reach for help before calling Larry and Deena Harper....does anyone know anything for certain???

You are correct! I don't know that she tried to call anyone else. I have already been corrected on this matter by fsbiii when he said that the Harpers were her parent figures which would explain why she did call them. If she called someone else before the Harpers then I will stand corrected again! I have no problems being corrected. I'm just looking for the truth! JMO

[barefoot]

Also, any teachers that can tell us if they do alot of grading papers and planning lessons at home. I don't know any teachers but it would be nice to know from their experience how much time they take doing work at home for their classroom. TIA for anybody that can help!


I teach middle school and do a fair amount of lesson planning and paper grading at home - probably an hour on school nights and two-three hours total on weekends. Like another poster said, it depends a lot on what subject you teach, too; I currently teach drama classes, but I used to have a lot more "homework" when I was teaching drama and English at the high school level. If Tara was also doing some filling in as an administrator at her school, that might have added to her at-home workload.

I'm a female only a couple years younger than Tara and the pulling over, calling for help thing has me mystified as well. The only times I've had to call someone to drive me home have been when I'm literally too sick to drive, and in those cases I've always called family members nearby. I think you would have had to set me on fire to get me to call an ex-boyfriend's parents for help... even the exes I'm on good terms with! That definitely smacks of a plea for attention to me.

[Results]

I teach middle school and do a fair amount of lesson planning and paper grading at home - probably an hour on school nights and two-three hours total on weekends. Like another poster said, it depends a lot on what subject you teach, too; I currently teach drama classes, but I used to have a lot more "homework" when I was teaching drama and English at the high school level. If Tara was also doing some filling in as an administrator at her school, that might have added to her at-home workload.

I'm a female only a couple years younger than Tara and the pulling over, calling for help thing has me mystified as well. The only times I've had to call someone to drive me home have been when I'm literally too sick to drive, and in those cases I've always called family members nearby. I think you would have had to set me on fire to get me to call an ex-boyfriend's parents for help... even the exes I'm on good terms with! That definitely smacks of a plea for attention to me.

Thank you for your response.

[fsbiii]

I believe she did call someone else first and left several hysterical messages on an answering machine that were later given to GBI to show the dramatics associated with the whole incident. FWIW.

Perhaps Tara did try calling a friend first.....how do we know whom she tried to reach for help before calling Larry and Deena Harper....does anyone know anything for certain???

[Results]

I've stated my opinion,and have no proof what so ever, other than it is my opinion only that Hd was involved,but it seems that it makes some uncomfortable,so I'll just put my accusations on hold..................but I have got to say and all your posts are proving it..........Heath ****s was involved.......no ifs,ands and buts.....IMOO

I must have missed something. Who are you taking about?

[Results]

I believe she did call someone else first and left several hysterical messages on an answering machine that were later given to GBI to show the dramatics associated with the whole incident. FWIW.

I stand corrected again!

[One2Snoop]

I believe she did call someone else first and left several hysterical messages on an answering machine that were later given to GBI to show the dramatics associated with the whole incident. FWIW.

I hadn't heard this before - did those messages happen to say what exactly she was upset with MH about?

[Brainstorm]

I must have missed something. Who are you taking about?
Afew days ago RMLs implied that I was getting in the danger zone,that I had acused HD or murder, and I decided maybe I did need to hush and look over my opinions,instead of expressing them so much. I still stick by my pervious post,that I believe HD harmed Tara.....he was the last that could be pin-pointed to her.
JMHO

[dixinites]

I believe she did call someone else first and left several hysterical messages on an answering machine that were later given to GBI to show the dramatics associated with the whole incident. FWIW.

Who did she call and leave hysterical messages for? I haven't heard about this before either.

I'm still of the opinion that these hysterics were in response to an argument with MH over the "18 year old" he was allegedly dating. I can see her working herself into a real tizzy over that, especially if she was threatening to call the girl's parents and MH reacted harshly (as in I don't think we should have any more contact with each other, even as friends). I think she called his father to "fill him in on what was going on" and to enlist his sympathy and support regarding the matter. If she was hysterical, maybe he suggested coming to pick her up and she accepted...JMO.

[Results]

Dixi, I thought it was over MH E-mails being read by Tara.

[fsbiii]

I thought that, too, for a pretty long time. I believe that Tara wanted to come see Marcus that night and he said no. She didn't like hearing no, and she thought/assumed he had someone at his house with him. (Perhaps this 18-year-old girl fits in here?) I believe he ended the conversation after they had heated words about it being "over" for good. From that point, I understand Tara called several times, spoke to Marcus' mom at least once, and continued to keep calling and leaving hysterical messages when no one would pick up the phone. I understand that Marcus' mom and stepdad were there when this was going on, having supper. I understand the messages were over 20 min. in length, in total. Apparently Marcus' dad then called Marcus and said Tara had called them about it, and she wasn't making any sense and needed "help". They then went and got her and took her home where others came over and helped calm her down, etc.

Unless one of the parties involved wants to verify on here, just consider that my opinion and my understood version of events at this point.

Dixi, I thought it was over MH E-mails being read by Tara.

[concernedperson]

I thought that, too, for a pretty long time. I believe that Tara wanted to come see Marcus that night and he said no. She didn't like hearing no, and she thought/assumed he had someone at his house with him. (Perhaps this 18-year-old girl fits in here?) I believe he ended the conversation after they had heated words about it being "over" for good. From that point, I understand Tara called several times, spoke to Marcus' mom at least once, and continued to keep calling and leaving hysterical messages when no one would pick up the phone. I understand that Marcus' mom and stepdad were there when this was going on, having supper. I understand the messages were over 20 min. in length, in total. Apparently Marcus' dad then called Marcus and said Tara had called them about it, and she wasn't making any sense and needed "help". They then went and got her and took her home where others came over and helped calm her down, etc.

Unless one of the parties involved wants to verify on here, just consider that my opinion and my understood version of events at this point.

Please explain the familial relationships. I thought Marcus lived with his mom. I thought Deena and Marcus's dad were married and that makes her his step mom. I thought they were the couple that picked up Tara.

Is Marcus's mom remarried? Were they all having dinner together? Just trying to get all the parties straight.

[fsbiii]

You're right.

Marcus lives with his mom, Nancy, and husband Gerald, Redman.

Marcus' dad, Larry Harper, is married to Deena.

Larry & Deena Harper went to get Tara.

Nancy, Gerald, & Marcus were at the Redman house where Tara was calling to.

I hope I said that right! :)

[concernedperson]

You're right.

Marcus lives with his mom, Nancy, and husband Gerald, Redman.

Marcus' dad, Larry Harper, is married to Deena.

Larry & Deena Harper went to get Tara.

Nancy, Gerald, & Marcus were at the Redman house where Tara was calling to.

I hope I said that right! :)

Thanks that was what I needed to know. Purely hysterical for hysterical purposes is the action on Tara's part.

[dixinites]

Dixi, I thought it was over MH E-mails being read by Tara.

IDK...Maybe the emails came up in the conversation as well. Maybe she referenced emails when she was "accusing" MH of seeing the younger woman. She could have heard rumors about it, too.

Since it was referenced by AG (:rolleyes:) early on about the "heated" argument between Tara and MH regarding the "18 yr old", I thought this would make sense and fit the timeline.

I agree with the HIGH drama and attention angle, for sure. JMO.

[fsbiii]

I think AG's version of the argument re: the 18-year-old is for 10-18-05, not the 10-04-05 pullover incident. I can't find out anything about the 18th other than what's been posted on here. I agree that the email hacking/reading might've been discussed in the 10-04-05 conversations before the pullover/breakdown.

IDK...Maybe the emails came up in the conversation as well. Maybe she referenced emails when she was "accusing" MH of seeing the younger woman. She could have heard rumors about it, too.

Since it was referenced by AG (:rolleyes:) early on about the "heated" argument between Tara and MH regarding the "18 yr old", I thought this would make sense and fit the timeline.

I agree with the HIGH drama and attention angle, for sure. JMO.

[Just The Truth]

Dixi, I thought it was over MH E-mails being read by Tara.

I thought it was over the emails as well.

[dixinites]

I think AG's version of the argument re: the 18-year-old is for 10-18-05, not the 10-04-05 pullover incident. I can't find out anything about the 18th other than what's been posted on here. I agree that the email hacking/reading might've been discussed in the 10-04-05 conversations before the pullover/breakdown.

Well, LOL, I thought the "pulling over" incident was on Oct 12, since she didn't go to work the next day and MH said that Oct 13 was the last time they saw each other...when she said "don't hate me", etc.

When was the date of the "pullover" stated as being on Oct 4th, and on what basis? What did I miss?

[fsbiii]

Marcus says Friday, 10-14-05, was the last time he saw her.

I'm told the pullover was 10-4-05, she didn't go to work on 10-5-05.

On the morning of the 14th is when she went to Marcus' house before 8am, then went to school around 9am. I am told that is the day that Heath D. picked her up - on the 14th. I know some people say he came on the 18th, and I can't verify either. The person who told me the 14th should know for certain, but I'm not vouching for it myself since I can't.

Well, LOL, I thought the "pulling over" incident was on Oct 12, since she didn't go to work the next day and MH said that Oct 13 was the last time they saw each other...when she said "don't hate me", etc.

When was the date of the "pullover" stated as being on Oct 4th, and on what basis? What did I miss?

[groucho]

What if it was the other way around and MH had found out about AV and was threatening to tell on Tara? That would certainly send her over the edge too in my opinion.

[Just The Truth]

I would like to ask anyone that can answer a question about MH. I know that MH went for some kind of LE training I believe on 10/25/05 I think for some kind of certification? What was this certification for? Was it so MH could go back into working in LE? That is what I have always thought. If this is the case, then I wonder why MH is not an officer after going to this training. Is it because he is a POI or could it be that MH changed his mind and decided he didn't want to be in LE anymore?

[fsbiii]

I think it's the latter, JTT. The hours he got in Oct. 2005 kept him certified, but TMK he didn't get his hours in for 2006, so he's no longer POST certified. I don't think he's gonna work in LE anymore. I don't think him being a person of interest in this case has anything to do with career planning, but I'm sure some do.

[concernedperson]

I would like to ask anyone that can answer a question about MH. I know that MH went for some kind of LE training I believe on 10/25/05 I think for some kind of certification? What was this certification for? Was it so MH could go back into working in LE? That is what I have always thought. If this is the case, then I wonder why MH is not an officer after going to this training. Is it because he is a POI or could it be that MH changed his mind and decided he didn't want to be in LE anymore?i

I can answer sorta. I am a real estate agent. We have to certify for licensing purposes and that requires many hours of recertification. Many hours to get there. I am taking care of an ill child so I am not active but I still need to do this for future classification. I don't want to lose this classification so I will pay for the classes and instruction to keep my license active.

[readmylips]

Afew days ago RMLs implied that I was getting in the danger zone,that I had acused HD or murder, and I decided maybe I did need to hush and look over my opinions,instead of expressing them so much. I still stick by my pervious post,that I believe HD harmed Tara.....he was the last that could be pin-pointed to her.
JMHO


Hiding behind a well respected and Christian family.........

oh my, I don't even know where to start,I'm going to read this again,Results,because you have made so many,many valuable points here.
THis right here IMO sums it up. HD IMO, and hiding behind all of the above,Is a cold blooded killer and if he isn't then he damn sure needs to be proving otherwise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AG needs to spill her guts too.
JMHO

yes, brainstorm, this type of posting makes me uncomfortable. i didn't mean to offend you or anyone else and i did not imply. i called it straight the way i saw it. please don't use me as a scapegoat for your posting or lack of and don't tiptoe around on account of me either. you did call the man a killer and that is in the danger zone imo. you followed by saying that his wife was an accessory by saying she is covering for him. (your words) at that point i expressed concern and a reminder to exercise care when making accusations based on conjecture. we all need to be reminded sometimes. myself included. feel free to post as you feel comfortable. my opinions are just that. opinions. i share them when i feel inclined the same as everyone else here but you should do what you feel is right based on your own judgement. i trust you are adult enough and intelligent enough to participate with a responsible approach or i wouldn't have approached the subject in the first place.

:)

[Brainstorm]

Marcus says Friday, 10-14-05, was the last time he saw her.

I'm told the pullover was 10-4-05, she didn't go to work on 10-5-05.

On the morning of the 14th is when she went to Marcus' house before 8am, then went to school around 9am. I am told that is the day that Heath D. picked her up - on the 14th. I know some people say he came on the 18th, and I can't verify either. The person who told me the 14th should know for certain, but I'm not vouching for it myself since I can't.

I didnt realize til just now that actually Tara was still"chasing"Marcus, even tho IMOO
she was supposedly having an affair withHD . I bet this made HD FURIOUS
JMHO-

[Brainstorm]

yes, brainstorm, this type of posting makes me uncomfortable. i didn't mean to offend you or anyone else and i did not imply. i called it straight the way i saw it. please don't use me as a scapegoat for your posting or lack of and don't tiptoe around on account of me either. you did call the man a killer and that is in the danger zone imo. you followed by saying that his wife was an accessory by saying she is covering for him. (your words) at that point i expressed concern and a reminder to exercise care when making accusations based on conjecture. we all need to be reminded sometimes. myself included. feel free to post as you feel comfortable. my opinions are just that. opinions. i share them when i feel inclined the same as everyone else here but you should do what you feel is right based on your own judgement. i trust you are adult enough and intelligent enough to participate with a responsible approach or i wouldn't have approached the subject in the first place.

:)
Thank you RMLs, I think I've already replied (yesterday?) but I just read your post,and I am serious, I thank you , I am not offended, I have taken what you said to heart.
I have always enjoyed reading your post and will continue to do so and I do respect your opinions.
I do believe HD harmed Tara,but I have NO PROOF what-so-ever,only my quess.I will try to be abit less vocal.
JMHO

[sogalady]

Marcus says Friday, 10-14-05, was the last time he saw her.

I'm told the pullover was 10-4-05, she didn't go to work on 10-5-05.

On the morning of the 14th is when she went to Marcus' house before 8am, then went to school around 9am. I am told that is the day that Heath D. picked her up - on the 14th. I know some people say he came on the 18th, and I can't verify either. The person who told me the 14th should know for certain, but I'm not vouching for it myself since I can't.

Fsbiii, I agree with not being able to vouch for this either, but the information that you posted is EXACTLY what I have been told by those close since the very beginning, HD picked her up from school the same day that she went to MH's early that AM.

[Results]

Marcus says Friday, 10-14-05, was the last time he saw her.

I'm told the pullover was 10-4-05, she didn't go to work on 10-5-05.

On the morning of the 14th is when she went to Marcus' house before 8am, then went to school around 9am. I am told that is the day that Heath D. picked her up - on the 14th. I know some people say he came on the 18th, and I can't verify either. The person who told me the 14th should know for certain, but I'm not vouching for it myself since I can't.

I thought on the 14th of Oct it was said that Tara went to MH, then went to the tanning bed, and then went and visited friends. I'm lost now! I'm going to have to go try to find that post!

[Its just me]

I thought on the 14th of Oct it was said that Tara went to MH, then went to the tanning bed, and then went and visited friends. I'm lost now! I'm going to have to go try to find that post!

Results the following is a snip about the tanning bed that may help you.

02-11-2007, 07:36 PM
dixinites
Member Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Coastal Georgia
Posts: 418

The tanning bed reference was made in a CL article (IIRC) regarding Tara's state of mind on the day of her visit to MH.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last edited by dixinites : 02-11-2007 at 07:43 PM.

[fsbiii]

The article says she went tanning and then spent a "pleasant visit" with relatives. I don't know how accurate that is. We about know with certainty who had to provide that info, IMO, and it was Anita. I wonder when HD was with her that day and for how long. According to Harper, Tara also came back to his house later that day to hug, etc. I do not think she took off the whole day on 10-14, but she was late getting to school. The day she took off entirely was 10-5, I am sure on that.

There are so many variations on the timeline, I know. For some reason I don't think everyone involved wants us to know the accurate one. It seems like the CL articles have bits and pieces incorrect, and I've always questioned the "sources" from those articles in light of the wording of some of the things in them. Like the "pleasant visit" - who would know it was pleasant besides Tara & the relative(s) being visited? And when it comes to relatives' statements and information, that opens up a whole can of inconsistency and often falsehood, IMO.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/7.html

[Its just me]

The article says she went tanning and then spent a "pleasant visit" with relatives. I don't know how accurate that is. We about know with certainty who had to provide that info, IMO, and it was Anita. I wonder when HD was with her that day and for how long. According to Harper, Tara also came back to his house later that day to hug, etc. I do not think she took off the whole day on 10-14, but she was late getting to school. The day she took off entirely was 10-5, I am sure on that.

There are so many variations on the timeline, I know. For some reason I don't think everyone involved wants us to know the accurate one. It seems like the CL articles have bits and pieces incorrect, and I've always questioned the "sources" from those articles in light of the wording of some of the things in them. Like the "pleasant visit" - who would know it was pleasant besides Tara & the relative(s) being visited? And when it comes to relatives' statements and information, that opens up a whole can of inconsistency and often falsehood, IMO.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/7.html

I think a correct time line just might bring out if the truth has been told in public statements.

I read all pages of this and I think most of us agree some things were told that don't add up to be the truth. I also looked through the photo's and if the dates on these are correct Tara was with AG Christmas 2004. 10 months before she disappeared. I am saying this because I have been told that Tara and AG had not spoken in a long time. Well they were together 2004. So now I am asking if there were tension between the two when did it start.
When did LG give Tara the ring?
A photo on this link shows Tara stanting in what looks like a kitchen. There is also a picture that has been posted of Tara at a kitchen sink working with some kind of white material. I was told (again told) that the ring was put in plaster (kind used to support broken bones) and this is a picture of Tara working trying to get her gag gift out of the plaster.
I would like to find this picture of Tara working with the white material to compare her clothing to the 2004 Christmas picture to see if maybe LG gave Tara the ring in 2004. Any information will be appreciated. IJM

[sage]

I think this is the picture you are asking about.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/photo_2.html?curPage=3

[fsbiii]

Here are 2 pics of Tara in black, obviously when she got the ring. Not sure of the year. The other "recent" Christmas pics of her show her in a red sweater, IIRC.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8603/t1lu6.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6857/t2dk4.jpg

[fsbiii]

Those pics on the CL link both say Christmas 2004, and I don't think that's correct. One is probably 2003?

[Brainstorm]

Did someone say this ring,was given to Tara by LG? I missed something.
JMHO

[Its just me]

Thank for the pictures and link.

Brainstorm to my understanding Tara was given a ring by LG but this was LG and AG or just LG I have no idea what the real truth is.

[fsbiii]

Some info on the ring & its history:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=279613

Did someone say this ring,was given to Tara by LG? I missed something.
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Thank for the pictures and link.

Brainstorm to my understanding Tara was given a ring by LG but this was LG and AG or just LG I have no idea what the real truth is.

After reading the link provided by fsbiii,about the ring,..I can only say that in my opinion this is strange.......strange to me anyway....

I really question LG and his intentions toward his SIL.
I wonder if AG had "suspected" her husband and sister of having an affair and got her "proof" when LG took & failed the LDT?
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Welcome to Blue Mermaid, and also, sage......come on back and talk to us.
The more posters we have, the MORE INSIGHTS and knowledge we can acquire.
A complete stranger,reading here could remember something,or add a new thought to the mix that would just crack this nightmare wide open.
As complicated as it seems, I still believe that the answers are "hiding in plain sight" .....
someone was just so smart and with help from friends,"staged" an act so
stupendous ,that it just became a mass of confusion,IMOO.
and of course, I'm implying that the nightmare began for Tara,IIRC, probably on Sat. nite or Sun,early a m , but then the Nightmare began for the loved ones of Tara early am on Monday.I am NOT including AG,HD or LG in my list of persons who truly cared or loved,or was concerned for Tara.JMHO
Actions speak louder than words,a simple childhood lesson we all learn,
so just look at their actions. Back then and NOW.........
this boatjust dont float,seems to me ,JMHO

[odette]

Well, LOL, I thought the "pulling over" incident was on Oct 12, since she didn't go to work the next day and MH said that Oct 13 was the last time they saw each other...when she said "don't hate me", etc.

When was the date of the "pullover" stated as being on Oct 4th, and on what basis? What did I miss?

FWIW .. my 2cents, regarding the dates which I have in my notes .. I stand to be corrected.

On 10/13/2005 (Thursday evening) .. On the way home from school, ie Waycross, Tara and MH had an argument by phone, whereby Tara became very upset and MH's father and stepmother went to pick her up and take her home.

CRIMELIBRARY
Sources close to Tara have acknowledged that the young woman was "on an emotional roller coaster," following the break up, but say they saw no evidence that she was suicidal, noting that on (Friday) Oct. 14, Grinstead had left Harper's house, spent some in a tanning bed and then went for a pleasant visit with relatives.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/7.html

According to MH, October 14 is the last time that MH & Tara saw each other.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

CRIMELIBRARY
In fact, in mid-October, one friend said, Grinstead had made efforts to reconnect with Harper, and when he resisted, she became so overwrought that she took a *long drive and had to pull over and call for assistance to get home. The next day, uncharacteristically, she called in sick to school. A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html

(In reference to the *"long drive", Tara was returning home from school in Waycross on the evening of Thursday 10/13/2005.)

JMHO

[PNut]

Thanks Odette - that answers some questions in MY mind anyway.

:)

[Its just me]

FWIW .. my 2cents, regarding the dates which I have in my notes .. I stand to be corrected.

On 10/13/2005 (Thursday evening) .. On the way home from school, ie Waycross, Tara and MH had an argument by phone, whereby Tara became very upset and MH's father and stepmother went to pick her up and take her home.

CRIMELIBRARY
Sources close to Tara have acknowledged that the young woman was "on an emotional roller coaster," following the break up, but say they saw no evidence that she was suicidal, noting that on (Friday) Oct. 14, Grinstead had left Harper's house, spent some in a tanning bed and then went for a pleasant visit with relatives.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/7.html

According to MH, October 14 is the last time that MH & Tara saw each other.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

CRIMELIBRARY
In fact, in mid-October, one friend said, Grinstead had made efforts to reconnect with Harper, and when he resisted, she became so overwrought that she took a *long drive and had to pull over and call for assistance to get home. The next day, uncharacteristically, she called in sick to school. A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues2.html

(In reference to the *"long drive", Tara was returning home from school in Waycross on the evening of Thursday 10/13/2005.)

JMHO

Thank Odette for this post.
I know there may be things that CL get confussed but I go with what is published until a more reliable source comes by. Without going back to see what fsb (a very good source) posted I am going to use this information.
The 13th was on Thursday. The article said police HD came a "few days" later which would have been the following week and Monday would have been the 17th and Tara disappeared the following week-end. This does not go along with what HD stated publically about the time he last saw Tara.

[Its just me]

Marcus says Friday, 10-14-05, was the last time he saw her.

I'm told the pullover was 10-4-05, she didn't go to work on 10-5-05.

On the morning of the 14th is when she went to Marcus' house before 8am, then went to school around 9am. I am told that is the day that Heath D. picked her up - on the 14th. I know some people say he came on the 18th, and I can't verify either. The person who told me the 14th should know for certain, but I'm not vouching for it myself since I can't.

OK here is what the other "good source" posted. HD picked Tara up on the
14th. Hope someone can post when HD publically stated he last saw Tara. Too Busy to look for it right now.

[odette]

OK here is what the other "good source" posted. HD picked Tara up on the
14th. Hope someone can post when HD publically stated he last saw Tara. Too Busy to look for it right now.

CRIMELIBRARY
In a brief telephone interview with Crime Library, D***s said he had last seen Grinstead "weeks prior to her going missing."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1105/0303_tara_grinstead_no_clues.html

JMHO

[dixinites]

SNIP>On 10/13/2005 (Thursday evening) .. On the way home from school, ie Waycross, Tara and MH had an argument by phone, whereby Tara became very upset and MH's father and stepmother went to pick her up and take her home.

(In reference to the *"long drive", Tara was returning home from school in Waycross on the evening of Thursday 10/13/2005.)

JMHO<SNIP

Thanks, Odette, that's what I remember, too. I was a day off because I was too lazy to look at my notes...(I don't have a lot left of my mind to lose, so I was getting a little worried, lol).

[odette]

I was told by co-workers of Tara's that they did not see who she left with; however, Tara had TOLD them afterwards that she had left with HD. They had no reason to not believe her.

Bumping this post.

[fsbiii]

I have verified that Tara took off work on October 5, 2005 and someone went by her house a couple of times to check up on her due to the incident from the night before. The CL article is just wrong, IMO, in light of the first-hand information I have been given recently. I would not be saying this, and changing my own timeline notes, if I didn't think it was 100% accurate. I truly do, based on who's giving me the information. Tara's Waycross class was on Tuesday night, which coincides with 10-04-05, and the infamous 10-18-05 which others say was the night she argued with MH prior to going to Waycross to class.

I am not as certain on HD picking her up on the 14th because my source can't verify that but only on others' words/visuals. However, IMO, it makes sense that the Gattises are "the source" telling CL about the 14th up there...saying things were normal, pleasant visit with relatives, tanning, etc. - when in actuality it was more like Tara was a mess, went to MH's that morning, had HD pick her up from school at some point, and probably went to Hawkinsville that night. The following day & Sunday would be the time of the alleged fight between Tara and her mom, too. A lot of it adds up to me now, I must say.

FWIW, let's keep digging.

[fsbiii]

I also have information that on Tuesday, 10-11-05, the teachers had an in-service work day (no students). Tara was in her room crying at one point when someone went in to talk with her. Tara was visibly upset and said to be "very gloomy and crying" during the time the person was there. FWIW.

This adds to the overall picture and the spiral that was taking place, IMO.

[Brainstorm]

Seems to me that the people around Tara,in the few weeks before she disappeared,were doing everything they could for someone going thru a hard time(emotionally-after a hard breakup-or let down) but Tara was not IMOO
telling the truth.........was she?............did she have a friend that she could admit to having an affair with AV to?
did those co-workers know about HD?
on one hand Tara was still in love with and trying to re-connect with MH.....
IMO.........(people were probably feeling sorry for poor Tara........she is so much in love with Marcus) but did they not know that on the other hand,
she was also,at the same time having an affair with a married man,and apparantly this had been going on for a few months.?
I feel like the people around Tara did everything they could,with what she had led them to believe,to help,care and be concerned.
I believe the one/ones who harmed Tara didnt come out of this group of people........
I believe she became to much of a liability to the out-of-towners that she had chosen to associate with.........JMHO and only speculation

[One2Snoop]

Can you explain what you are thinking here? out of towners she had chosen to associate with?

Seriously, if you'd follow the train of conversation you wouldn't have to ask these type of questions.... :seeya:

[readmylips]

I also have information that on Tuesday, 10-11-05, the teachers had an in-service work day (no students). Tara was in her room crying at one point when someone went in to talk with her. Tara was visibly upset and said to be "very gloomy and crying" during the time the person was there. FWIW.

This adds to the overall picture and the spiral that was taking place, IMO.

i have been given that same information. she was putting on a front the best she could but she was in dire straits emotionally.

i really replied to this to comment on that cool little avatar you got there fsbiii. he looks like he needs his meds. that little shake he has and all :D

[fsbiii]

He doesn't have a medical condition. He's just antsy every morning to wake up and see what morsels of greatness the overnight poster(s) has left for him to chomp on. He's special.

[Its just me]

i have been given that same information. she was putting on a front the best she could but she was in dire straits emotionally.

i really replied to this to comment on that cool little avatar you got there fsbiii. he looks like he needs his meds. that little shake he has and all :D

RML the sweet little devil always gets my attention. Sometimes it's his avatar and sometimes its his post. Keep digging fsb and LH gang.

I also trust my souce that Tara was an emotional mess and was on medication for this at the time she disappeared.

[Its just me]

I also have information that on Tuesday, 10-11-05, the teachers had an in-service work day (no students). Tara was in her room crying at one point when someone went in to talk with her. Tara was visibly upset and said to be "very gloomy and crying" during the time the person was there. FWIW.

This adds to the overall picture and the spiral that was taking place, IMO.

fsb, I also was told about Tara being in her room crying. Her tears were discribed as big alligator tears and she was an emotional mess. I can not verify the date but trust you 100% on information you post.

[concernedperson]

fsb, I also was told about Tara being in her room crying. Her tears were discribed as big alligator tears and she was an emotional mess. I can not verify the date but trust you 100% on information you post.

I wonder what the big alligator tears were about....a situation or an in general? Someone at school surely asked what was wrong as that is our normal response to seeing something like this. Whether Tara chose to lie about the real truth or not, it goes to what was possibly on her mind.

[readmylips]

He doesn't have a medical condition. He's just antsy every morning to wake up and see what morsels of greatness the overnight poster(s) has left for him to chomp on. He's special.

he is most definitely special! cute and i like him. :tongue:

concernedperson, i have been told that the mh situation had her all in knots. i believe that was the root of her turmoil and that is what she shared with her friends from what i understand. love troubles can really wreak havoc on us and i hate that she was going through such a troubling time. most of us have felt the despair of love troubles and know it is an awful challenge to deal with. it consumes you when it is at its height and i believe it was for her at the time she disappeared. whether her disappearance was related to those troubles or not is unknown but it warrants a hard look. there are so many ways it could have played a key role in whatever happened to her.

[Brainstorm]

Can you explain what you are thinking here? out of towners she had chosen to associate with?

Seriously, if you'd follow the train of conversation you wouldn't have to ask these type of questions.... :seeya:

Thanks O2S,I had no idea anyone would have to question that post.I think some are here to discover & piece together info. and one is here to pick apart and argue over post,or spelling,or(whatever,it is she is doing)
JMHO

[Its just me]

I wonder what the big alligator tears were about....a situation or an in general? Someone at school surely asked what was wrong as that is our normal response to seeing something like this. Whether Tara chose to lie about the real truth or not, it goes to what was possibly on her mind.

CP, The person who was with Tara in the room told me that Tara was emotional because of MH. She wanted to get back with MH and it was not happening. I agree with your point about if Tara chose to tell the truth or not. I can't say but my personal thoughts because of other post about Tara being upset because of the relationship ending I think Tara was really upset because she had finally realized this relationship was over. I also think up until shortly before she disappeared she had hope that they could get back together. I came to this conclusion after talking to others who personally knew Tara and saw her on a daily basis at work.

[PNut]

Just based on everything discussed after all this time, I too feel she hoped for the MH reconciliation. I think she just assumed it would happen, as it seems she was kind of used to getting her way. Then it didn't.

I think with all we know about Tara now, that this rejection, would have been a harsh slap of reality. Doubled with the fact, that I beleive she truly did have feelings for MH. At her age, let's face it, love pain, (or death of a family member or such) is about the only thing that brings on big 'ole tears like she is said to have had that day.

I also believe she had used the various men in her life - HD, AV, etc. - to boost her ego after the MH breakup, and to try and make MH jealous, make him think twice about what he was missing.

These are just my personal opinions. :)

[Brainstorm]

I agree,PNut..........

[Its just me]

Just based on everything discussed after all this time, I too feel she hoped for the MH reconciliation. I think she just assumed it would happen, as it seems she was kind of used to getting her way. Then it didn't.

I think with all we know about Tara now, that this rejection, would have been a harsh slap of reality. Doubled with the fact, that I beleive she truly did have feelings for MH. At her age, let's face it, love pain, (or death of a family member or such) is about the only thing that brings on big 'ole tears like she is said to have had that day.

I also believe she had used the various men in her life - HD, AV, etc. - to boost her ego after the MH breakup, and to try and make MH jealous, make him think twice about what he was missing.

These are just my personal opinions. :)

I agree PNut if Tara was involved with anyone it was not a serious relationship. I strongly believe there was a relationship with HD, AV and I suspect one with LG as well as others but MH is/was the person she wanted to share her future with and it was a harsh slap of reality when she realized this probably was not going to happen. I have no idea what MH's position is but it may be possible that Tara's life style was an important part of his decision not to continue their relationship. Tara's life style had not just began from informtion I have gathered...it began many years ago. JMHOO

[Its just me]

Just want to add Tara has/had a life style and so do I and though they are different neither is perfect and I have no doubt that in God's sight Tara has/had many ways much more pleasing to Him than I.

[Results]

Just based on everything discussed after all this time, I too feel she hoped for the MH reconciliation. I think she just assumed it would happen, as it seems she was kind of used to getting her way. Then it didn't.

I think with all we know about Tara now, that this rejection, would have been a harsh slap of reality. Doubled with the fact, that I beleive she truly did have feelings for MH. At her age, let's face it, love pain, (or death of a family member or such) is about the only thing that brings on big 'ole tears like she is said to have had that day.

I also believe she had used the various men in her life - HD, AV, etc. - to boost her ego after the MH breakup, and to try and make MH jealous, make him think twice about what he was missing.

These are just my personal opinions. :)

ITA with you! That makes me wonder where did Tara really have to turn to and who did she really have to talk to. The sister, AG, we know that isn't true. The BIL, LG, who claims to be so close to Tara as a sister he didn't notice? I think the truth is that nobody knew who she really was. She tried so hard to be perfect did she lose herself along the way to be that role model to be right for everybody in their eyes but yet fail to see with her own eyes. Was keeping that front more then she could carry or more then she could handle? There seemed to be so much drama surrounding her that I wonder if those around her didn't seem to know the difference as if it was drama or was she really in trouble. I don't mean any disrespect for Tara I want so desperately for her to be OK to see all the people that didnt know her and the ones that did know her pull together and try to find her. We were too late to give her hope but imagine not having hope how sad that must be. The perfect shell she built was cracking but some how we have to find out what the final blow was. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Just want to add Tara has/had a life style and so do I and though they are different neither is perfect and I have no doubt that in God's sight Tara has/had many ways much more pleasing to Him than I.

What a nice thing to say,IJM,and I agree...I'm sure not one to be throwing stones at Tara........but in all my imperfections,and there are many, I am sincere in my efforts to help find Tara,in all her imperfections and bring her home and help the whole town and county begin to heal & rebuild,
JMHO
and of course, I am including Taras family,here..........

[Its just me]

ITA with you! That makes me wonder where did Tara really have to turn to and who did she really have to talk to. The sister, AG, we know that isn't true. The BIL, LG, who claims to be so close to Tara as a sister he didn't notice? I think the truth is that nobody knew who she really was. She tried so hard to be perfect did she lose herself along the way to be that role model to be right for everybody in their eyes but yet fail to see with her own eyes. Was keeping that front more then she could carry or more then she could handle? There seemed to be so much drama surrounding her that I wonder if those around her didn't seem to know the difference as if it was drama or was she really in trouble. I don't mean any disrespect for Tara I want so desperately for her to be OK to see all the people that didnt know her and the ones that did know her pull together and try to find her. We were too late to give her hope but imagine not having hope how sad that must be. The perfect shell she built was cracking but some how we have to find out what the final blow was. JMHO

There may not be such a thing as a perfect post but I think this one is getting close. Just a fact.

[Brainstorm]

ITA with you! That makes me wonder where did Tara really have to turn to and who did she really have to talk to. The sister, AG, we know that isn't true. The BIL, LG, who claims to be so close to Tara as a sister he didn't notice? I think the truth is that nobody knew who she really was. She tried so hard to be perfect did she lose herself along the way to be that role model to be right for everybody in their eyes but yet fail to see with her own eyes. Was keeping that front more then she could carry or more then she could handle? There seemed to be so much drama surrounding her that I wonder if those around her didn't seem to know the difference as if it was drama or was she really in trouble. I don't mean any disrespect for Tara I want so desperately for her to be OK to see all the people that didnt know her and the ones that did know her pull together and try to find her. We were too late to give her hope but imagine not having hope how sad that must be. The perfect shell she built was cracking but some how we have to find out what the final blow was. JMHO

I think Tara was talking to HD,but she was probably not telling him the truth either,about AV or her feelings for MH.He probably found out the truths.......IMOO......but had gotten involved so deeply.........he needed a way out........for himself,to save his Family,his position,his reputation....
...........
JMHO

[Dr Lewdwig]

IMO, HD became a POI only because of his possible affair with TG, his card being left at her door, his many phone calls, one of which puts him at her house around 12:15 Monday morning. All of these things made him a POI but they are far from proof of guilt. I've read that LE started questioning HD shortly after TG disappeared. I haven't read whether he took a LDT or not. I wouldn't expect HD to inform the media either way because its not any of their business and I wouldn't expect LE to release it. I believe that any crying that he did on the phone or at OPD was because he was worried for TG. I read that MH's attorney was giving information to National Enquirer about HD less than a month after TG disappeared. Where was he getting his info? JMHO

[fsbiii]

IIRC, the information regarding HD attributed to Pujadas came from the answering machine messages.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63335

IMO, HD became a POI only because of his possible affair with TG, his card being left at her door, his many phone calls, one of which puts him at her house around 12:15 Monday morning. All of these things made him a POI but they are far from proof of guilt. I've read that LE started questioning HD shortly after TG disappeared. I haven't read whether he took a LDT or not. I wouldn't expect HD to inform the media either way because its not any of their business and I wouldn't expect LE to release it. I believe that any crying that he did on the phone or at OPD was because he was worried for TG. I read that MH's attorney was giving information to National Enquirer about HD less than a month after TG disappeared. Where was he getting his info? JMHO

[fsbiii]

I choose not to respond to your question, for the record.

[fsbiii]

You could assume it's talking about Andy Griffith, I suppose. Or one of those guys from NYPD Blue even. Of course it's about HD. Are you that oblivious?

[dixinites]

You could assume it's talking about Andy Griffith, I suppose. Or one of those guys from NYPD Blue even. Of course it's about HD. Are you that oblivious?

FSB, don't you know you should never enter a battle of wits with an unarmed person??? For shame!

BTW, I love your lil jiggly guy. Definitely a case of ants in pants!

[fsbiii]

What pants? :D :D

FSB, don't you know you should never enter a battle of wits with an unarmed person??? For shame!

BTW, I love your lil jiggly guy. Definitely a case of ants in pants!

[fsbiii]

Maybe common sense?

I know that's a precious commodity amongst the grand conspiracies and ever expanding assumption camps (not naming names), but it's nice to NARROW down theories instead of ballooning them out further, IMO.

To each her own.



How can anyone who just READS that article be SURE it's about HD?

[dixinites]

What pants? :D :D

Well, it sounds better than the obvious placement of ants IN his anatomy...lol,

but you got me on that one...too funny!

[fsbiii]

You so nasty.

Goodnight.

[odette]

Regarding the lewd comments you made about the avatar .. How utterly disgusting and totally uncalled for. Good grief!.

JMHO

[Dr Lewdwig]

My theory and opinion. Tara ran away to start a new life. In all that I've read, her local love life had come to an end and she had possibly hurt her aspirations to be a school administrator due to the AV affair. (at least in Georgia anyway) The Sweet Potato Festival was probably the last thing she felt obligated to attend.
The condition of the inside of her house could be described as where a person had moved out in a hurry so as not to draw any attention. Since no one seems to know what she owned, its hard for anyone to say what's missing. She may have taken a suitcase full of clothes. As someone pointed out, there is no proof that she was wearing clothes, but in my theory she didn't leave naked.

[mooloo]

And she was wasting her time trying to get MH back. Surely she had a moment that she realized he didn't care a flip about a relationship with her?

And were the alligator tears sincere or were they for attention and pity? With AG and TG, seems tears are/were as easy to turn off and on as tap water.

Just based on everything discussed after all this time, I too feel she hoped for the MH reconciliation. I think she just assumed it would happen, as it seems she was kind of used to getting her way. Then it didn't.

I think with all we know about Tara now, that this rejection, would have been a harsh slap of reality. Doubled with the fact, that I beleive she truly did have feelings for MH. At her age, let's face it, love pain, (or death of a family member or such) is about the only thing that brings on big 'ole tears like she is said to have had that day.

I also believe she had used the various men in her life - HD, AV, etc. - to boost her ego after the MH breakup, and to try and make MH jealous, make him think twice about what he was missing.

These are just my personal opinions. :)

[PNut]

Is that Kath's way of flirting?? Or does Kath have "tail" envy??

[Brainstorm]

Regarding the lewd comments you made about the avatar .. How utterly disgusting and totally uncalled for. Good grief!.

JMHO

ITA. I cannot believe that poster gets away with such statements. She's needs to find another site to vent her frustrations. This is certainly not the place for that. JMLOHO.

I totally agree,odette and merrick.........
JMHO

[dixinites]

Is that Kath's way of flirting?? Or does Kath have "tail" envy??

TOO funny...

Either way I say "Run, FSB, run!!!

I guess some people think bad attention is better than no attention at all...

[One2Snoop]

gosh, i'm sorry some of you took it so hard,;) but my post was not venting any frustration whatsoever.
I certainly didn't cuss at anyone nor did I call anyone names.
Now that is much more of a serious issue than me insinuating an avatar's tail looks excited, dontcha think? anyway, it's done with. if you are truly offended, then i'm sorry and please, let's not discuss it for one more second.

Bring on the devilish "hard on". Well, that's what that tail looks like to me

Originally Posted by odette
Regarding the lewd comments you made about the avatar .. How utterly disgusting and totally uncalled for.

What part of odettes post didn't you understand? No one said you cussed at anyone or that you called anyone names - the point is, your comments were lewd. :no:

[readmylips]

gosh, i'm sorry some of you took it so hard,;) but my post was not venting any frustration whatsoever.
I certainly didn't cuss at anyone nor did I call anyone names.
Now that is much more of a serious issue than me insinuating an avatar's tail looks excited, dontcha think? anyway, it's done with. if you are truly offended, then i'm sorry and please, let's not discuss it for one more second.

no i don't think so. your lewd comment was uncalled for and in very bad taste. as much crying as you have done about cursing you should know better than to go there. an apology is due to all.

[Brainstorm]

I hate it for all you who arent in So Ga today.Everyone should be outside at the river, or lake today.Every dirt road leads to a fishing creek somewhere.
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I rode some dirt roads today,by the location,IIRC,of one of the searches.,in Irwin Co.The location of the house that burned,shortly after Tara disappeared.........IIRC some of the photos posted here at CL were also taken at a pond on the same or adjoining property.That is a beautiful part of the so ga countryside........I didnt go to the pond,as the fields had been freshly plowed and as yet havent made a "field road" to it.
That was so tragic,that house burning,and at a time when everyone was in shock,not knowing what had happened to Tara. It was a very sad,strange time.
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Was this anywhere near the LRR locations we had been discussing earlier?

No,this is east of Ocilla,probably 7 or 8 miles from town. There are dirt roads criss-crossing paved roads,county roads,etc.Very,very,rural roads.......
I saw a yellow caution ribbon stuck on a pine tree beside the road....no other sign that anything had ever happened there....
IMOO

[Brainstorm]

Is it mostly farmland or just overgrown areas of trees and brush?

Beautiful farmland mostly,acres and acres,on each side of the roads.There are also wooded areas,planted pines,some large old oaks,and some creek areas.You would probably call these wet areas swamps,..........sometimes the creeks are full and overflowing,causing swampy areas and at other times its dry and can be explored easier.Rivers run thru this area also,IIRC .....ther withalacoochee,,or coo-chee creek...IIRC......
JMHO

[dixinites]

Has AV's aunt, LCW, stopped posting on the boards? I have a question for her...I don't suspect AV as having anything to do with Tara's disappearance. My question has more to do with Tara.

[fsbiii]

I don't think LCW was related to AV. She once posted her email address on a board for contact if anyone had any questions for her. I think it got ***'d out, but I think she was open for discussion. FWIW.

Has AV's aunt, LCW, stopped posting on the boards? I have a question for her...I don't suspect AV as having anything to do with Tara's disappearance. My question has more to do with Tara.

[dixinites]

Her original name was Kvickers, but it got banned. I thought she was AV's aunt...but that was WAAAY back when I first started reading. My bad!

[PNut]

Right thread, wrong audience!

What? :shrug: I'm confused??

[PNut]

No confusion required. No one will respond to Kath's question, ergo, wrong audience. Ask a question where it will be answered was my advice to kath.


I didn't realize confusion had to be required for me to be confused!! (How confusing is that??!)

[mooloo]

If there is any relationship there, it is very, very distant, I believe.


Her original name was Kvickers, but it got banned. I thought she was AV's aunt...but that was WAAAY back when I first started reading. My bad!

[The R]

Her original name was Kvickers, but it got banned. I thought she was AV's aunt...but that was WAAAY back when I first started reading. My bad!

from what I learned, no relation, but I'd have to give her credit for knowing about the AV situation from an 'inside' viewpoint....

ALLMO,

R

[dixinites]

Thnx, y'all for the info on KV...I don't know why I thought she was his aunt.

The "Tara at AV's Window" incident is still blowing my mind! It just seems so far-fetched, especially since she had her own home to use for any of that type of thing. If she was outside his window trying to talk to him, that's weird enough, but I could believe it. If someone says she was trying to get in or out of the window, quite frankly, I don't believe it.

If this rumor were true, Tara would not be simply "emotionally unstable", she would be NUTS ...and I just don't see it. JMO.

[Brainstorm]

OMG........if you've got all that on JDA , kath,why dont you just call him up and ask him?my God.I used to know his Mother,then I met him but its been years..........he was married then.......why beat the bush........just call him Kath...........
JMHO

[fsbiii]

OMG. I had to look at an-otherwise-ignored kath post to see what the ruckus was about here. I'd like to point out that IMO they didn't receive 37 applications on one day by fax, mail or in-person. That just sounds insane. That was probably the date of the newspaper publication or a meeting date where they mentioned receiving 37 applications. Good Lord.

Anything's possible though, so we can presume that "on 10/22/05, the FVPD rec'd 37 applications from candidates for the open position."

Keep on sleuthing on.

[One2Snoop]

sorry, but that didn't sound like I meant it to. i don't know anything about this town's requirement at all.

I would like to know if it's ok to mail an application or fax it? or does a candidate HAVE to show up? just a general question about any pd.

I don't think it really matters if someone faxed in or mailed their resume/application or showed up in person. No doubt JDA eventually had to be interviewed in person. Can you please tell us what this has to do with Tara? :shrug:

[fsbiii]

That would be too much to ask, I'm sure. Maybe she's focused on the 10-22-05 date of delivery of the 37 applications? Perhaps JDA was in a very long line on 10-22-05 waiting to hand up his paperwork to the City Council in Ft. Valley, so he couldn't have been in Ocilla? Hmm. This could be very feasible.

[One2Snoop]

That would be too much to ask, I'm sure. Maybe she's focused on the 10-22-05 date of delivery of the 37 applications? Perhaps JDA was in a very long line on 10-22-05 waiting to hand up his paperwork to the City Council in Ft. Valley, so he couldn't have been in Ocilla? Hmm. This could be very feasible.

ohhhhh, I get it now! *LOL* :rolleyes:

[Brainstorm]

ohhhhh, I get it now! *LOL* :rolleyes:

Kaths just playing a guessing game,IMO........she's drug up an old thread......and is questioning the neighbors again...........she is just into this message board and wanting to tlk to somebody...........if we cant get past the carseat, I dont think we'll ever find Tara !!!
JMHO

[mooloo]

This particular k** v****** was never on the faculty at any school in Irwin County. Not sure if there are other k** v*******'s in the area, but don't recall one being on staff in an Irwin County school.


i don't know if it's important, but i recall seeing the name K** V****** on the list of faculty at ICHS. if this was the Kvickers that posted here, perhaps she was a co-worker of tara's and that's how she seemed to have an 'inside' viewpoint. she may not be related to av at all? co-workers probably discussed a lot and have an inside scoop on many things. that would be normal in a school.

[One2Snoop]

IIRC KVickers works for the board of education, but I don't remember which one.- could be irwin county but I'm not sure.

[Dr Lewdwig]

Irwin County High School
149 Chieftain Circle
Ocilla, GA 31774
229/468-9421
Bobby Conner, Principal
Thad Clayton, Curriculum Coordinator
Donna Barker, Asst. Principal
Vickie King, Counselor
Debbie Wilson, Graduation Coach
Jute Wilson, Athletic Director
Kim Vickers, Webmaster

[One2Snoop]

Irwin County High School
149 Chieftain Circle
Ocilla, GA 31774
229/468-9421
Bobby Conner, Principal
Thad Clayton, Curriculum Coordinator
Donna Barker, Asst. Principal
Vickie King, Counselor
Debbie Wilson, Graduation Coach
Jute Wilson, Athletic Director
Kim Vickers, Webmaster

Yes that would be it Dr. Lewdwig - Thank you.

[One2Snoop]

For those of you who wanted to know if KV was related to AV here's a statement she made back in Nov 05.....

kvickersNov 4 2005, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(xxxxxxxxxx @ Nov 4 2005, 07:49 PM)

kvickers, are you any relation to 20 year old Anthony Vickers?
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No, I am not, but I know him and his family well. The name is just a coincidence.

Google is such a wonderful search tool. :read:

[The R]

Irwin County High School
149 Chieftain Circle
Ocilla, GA 31774
229/468-9421
Bobby Conner, Principal
Thad Clayton, Curriculum Coordinator
Donna Barker, Asst. Principal
Vickie King, Counselor
Debbie Wilson, Graduation Coach
Jute Wilson, Athletic Director
Kim Vickers, Webmaster


there you go.....I wasn't gonna post that info out of some privacy respect, but that's why I said she would know some things from an inside viewpoint. FWIW, I believe she would be credible on the AV incident. She used to say that there was a good bit people didn't know about why AV did what he did, and to not jump to conclusions about the situation.....don't know if anyone saved some of the early conversations about suspects but I do remember her coming to AV's defense basically. With the recent posting of the police report coupled by what I remember, I'd say TG and AV didn't have a typical teacher/student relationship.


ALLMO,
R

[mooloo]

Here's the rest of the story....since the information is highlighted in red. K** V****** is NOT on the faculty at any school in the Irwin County system, and she is NOT on the faculty at Irwin County High. She DOES work at the BOE office, across town from the high school.

She is the webmaster/mistress for the system and the high school, not faculty. And, she is also in charge of the technology inventory.

Have a good night. :seeya:

:patriot:
Thanks Dr. Lewdwig! I appreciate your post very much.

[fsbiii]

And that's that. :)

[Esah]

Kath, I wasn't going to bite on your post, but curiosity has got the better of me. How did you get so much info on JDA? I thought I knew a lot about him and yet you have some refreshing info that I haven't seen on any thread before.

JDA has not been talked about very much. Even though he has known Tara for many years. According to one source, JDA has a scent trained dog and MH would bring Dolly over there to learn with his dog. It is also said that MH bought Dolly in order to keep a connection with Tara. This could just be one persons opinion of course, but it could also establish more of a connection between TG and JDA.

I had not heard about the 10-22-05 date for 37 applications being received for the Chief of Police position.

Wasn't 10-22-05 on a Saturday? Would they be taking in 37 apps on a Saturday? Or like Fsbiii said, maybe this was just reported on that date. And even if JDA did apply in person, he would still have had plenty of time to drive back to Ocilla, have dinner with his wife and family, pop over to Tara's and wait for her to come home that night. If that is what you are leading to.

[One2Snoop]

I said I recall seeing her NAME on list of faculty, which led me to comment that perhaps she had an inside scoop on something because of her J--O--B, not necessarily due to any family ties to AV.

My response was not for you - I believe Dixi is the one who wanted to know if KV and AV were related.

And you're welcome - I was correct about KV working for the Board of Education - still not sure what that has to do with Tara missing. KV said long ago in a post somewhere and you can believe me or not - that she didn't know Tara personally -although she'd heard lots of rumors. Take it for whats its worth - do some research Kath -:eek: How do you know for sure that what 'The R" posted is truthful? He certainly could've forged that info you know???? I'd double check to make sure its on the up and up - I mean really, who can you believe on the internet? :shrug: :rolleyes:

[Its just me]

Kath, I wasn't going to bite on your post, but curiosity has got the better of me. How did you get so much info on JDA? I thought I knew a lot about him and yet you have some refreshing info that I haven't seen on any thread before.

JDA has not been talked about very much. Even though he has known Tara for many years. According to one source, JDA has a scent trained dog and MH would bring Dolly over there to learn with his dog. It is also said that MH bought Dolly in order to keep a connection with Tara. This could just be one persons opinion of course, but it could also establish more of a connection between TG and JDA.

I had not heard about the 10-22-05 date for 37 applications being received for the Chief of Police position.

Wasn't 10-22-05 on a Saturday? Would they be taking in 37 apps on a Saturday? Or like Fsbiii said, maybe this was just reported on that date. And even if JDA did apply in person, he would still have had plenty of time to drive back to Ocilla, have dinner with his wife and family, pop over to Tara's and wait for her to come home that night. If that is what you are leading to.

LOL Esah, The whole picture of dates posted needs to be looked at. Not going back to get the dates (not worth my time) It is plain that the police department and county were thinking about consolidating the two departments and at some point the city started taking applications for the position of Chief. No question this was public advertised and there was 37 applications received during this time up until 10/22/05. It is useless to speculate when or how JDA delivered his application because we don't know. The city narrowed the 37 down to 5 and JDA was hired out of the last 5. Just my take on this and the job application time frame has absolutely NOTHING to do with Tara. MHOO

[One2Snoop]

I said I recall seeing her NAME on list of faculty, which led me to comment that perhaps she had an inside scoop on something because of her J--O--B, not necessarily due to any family ties to AV.

My response was not for you - I believe Dixi is the one who wanted to know if KV and AV were related.

And you're welcome - I was correct about KV working for the Board of Education - still not sure what that has to do with Tara missing. KV said long ago in a post somewhere and you can believe me or not - that she didn't know Tara personally -although she'd heard lots of rumors. Take it for whats its worth - do some research Kath -:eek: How do you know for sure that what "Dr. Lewdwig" posted is truthful? He certainly could've forged that info you know???? I'd double check to make sure its on the up and up - I mean really, who can you believe on the internet? :shrug: :rolleyes:

Correcting myself - I meant Dr. Lewdwig. Sorry "The R".

[Dr Lewdwig]

Correcting myself - I meant Dr. Lewdwig. Sorry "The R".

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:T2cSMyqwjb4J:www.irwin.k12.ga.us/schools.htm+ocilla+%22vickers%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=13&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

[Its just me]

Here's the rest of the story....since the information is highlighted in red. K** V****** is NOT on the faculty at any school in the Irwin County system, and she is NOT on the faculty at Irwin County High. She DOES work at the BOE office, across town from the high school.

She is the webmaster/mistress for the system and the high school, not faculty. And, she is also in charge of the technology inventory.

Have a good night. :seeya:

Thanks Moo, I know you have a great insight on the working of the Irwin County Schools. Dr. L provided a link a few post above and going to that link you see what informtion given on the board but if you click Board of Education and "BOARD STAFF" you will find V***** as being on the BOARD STAFF AND NOT FACULTY. With this page and your post I am sticking with what you posted and leave it at that. I just can't see why would it matter one way or the other. Anyone working as a Board Member, BOE Staff, and faculty you will know many people involved in the school system from students to janitors and I am sure many reconized Tara or new her personally but accordig to my information Tara did not have a lot of close friend with the adults employed in any capacity for the school system. Moo, I am going to stick with you and say the techinical job title for V****** is she is on the BOE "Staff"

[readmylips]

one2snoop, that link should end your attempt to discredit Dr. Lewdwig. I would say the Irwin County Board of Education website is a pretty credible resource to obtain that list of names from.

but you do understand now that kv is a boe employee and not a member of the high school staff right?

[Dr Lewdwig]

but you do understand now that kv is a boe employee and not a member of the high school staff right?

BOE employee, member of the staff, faculty, who cares? She hung around the school and may have heard something about Tara. imo

[Brainstorm]

BOE employee, member of the staff, faculty, who cares? She hung around the school and may have heard something about Tara. imo

I dont see bothering people who may have known,know or were friends with Tara until we get answers from the ones that were closest to her THAT weekend.and I mean HD......
JMHO

[Dr Lewdwig]

I dont see bothering people who may have known,know or were friends with Tara until we get answers from the ones that were closest to her THAT weekend.and I mean HD......
JMHO

I don't see bothering her either. Perhaps you could contact HD and get some answers. He may talk to a neutral party. imo

[The R]

Correcting myself - I meant Dr. Lewdwig. Sorry "The R".

Lol...I've been called much worse things than a liar but I'm glad to see I was on your mind.........

R


:D

[Brainstorm]

I don't see bothering her either. Perhaps you could contact HD and get some answers. He may talk to a neutral party. imo

Who,me? contact Hd ? I've seriously thought about this..........What makes you think I am a neutral party? On the contrary,HD needs protection from me, if I talk to him it will be IN person and with witnesses.
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

one2snoop, that link should end your attempt to discredit Dr. Lewdwig. I would say the Irwin County Board of Education website is a pretty credible resource to obtain that list of names from.

I wasn't trying to discredit anyone. :punch: You completely missed my point. If I had posted that information would you have believed me? Probably not so don't go twisting my words to your liking. :no:

[One2Snoop]

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:T2cSMyqwjb4J:www.irwin.k12.ga.us/schools.htm+ocilla+%22vickers%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=13&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

Thank you for the link. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

BOE employee, member of the staff, faculty, who cares? She hung around the school and may have heard something about Tara. imo

From my understanding Kvickers didn't know Tara but knew of her and had only heard rumors that she didn't care to hear, uhhhh because they were rumors. I'll see if I can find her exact quote.

[Dr Lewdwig]

I dont see bothering people who may have known,know or were friends with Tara until we get answers from the ones that were closest to her THAT weekend.and I mean HD......
JMHO

After thinking about you contacting HD, I've decided that it probably wouldn't do much good. I'm sure other people have tried it already. NOW something that might work is my following plan.
We will have to locate the guy that HD arrested in Walmart for licking an old ladies feet. We pay this guy and instruct him what to do. He goes back to Walmart and repeats his previous nasty offense, but when HD arrives to arrest him, the guy will start chanting
"where is Tara" "where is Tara" "I want to lick her feet". We can record HD's reaction from a hidden camera. It might be very revealing. imo

[Brainstorm]

I thought about going to walmart myself,or just passing thru the area and getting arrested........for something and meeting him..... I dont think HD would go for a new friend right now......from what we heard,he wasnt comfortable running into old friends,so I quess my idea to flirt,wouldnt work either..
JMHO
and please be respectful,I believe Tara is dead.....and I have all respect for her and her soul.
JMHO

[Dr Lewdwig]

I thought about going to walmart myself,or just passing thru the area and getting arrested........for something and meeting him..... I dont think HD would go for a new friend right now......from what we heard,he wasnt comfortable running into old friends,so I quess my idea to flirt,wouldnt work either..
JMHO
and please be respectful,I believe Tara is dead.....and I have all respect for her and her soul.
JMHO

Please believe me, I am respectful of Tara. But if she was killed by HD and there is an afterlife, I honestly don't think she will mind us exposing him.

[readmylips]

BOE employee, member of the staff, faculty, who cares? She hung around the school and may have heard something about Tara. imo

boe staff don't generally hang around the school. sorry but it matters.

[Dr Lewdwig]

boe staff don't generally hang around the school. sorry but it matters.

OK, have your way. When I attended school, I saw them quite often. They weren't literally hanging, but I saw them. Things change I suppose.

[Brainstorm]

Please believe me, I am respectful of Tara. But if she was killed by HD and there is an afterlife, I honestly don't think she will mind us exposing him.

If she was killed by Hd,not only would she not mind,IMO,she fully expects us too.Isnt that what justice is about?Something happened to Tara .......and as far as we know,there was something going on back and forth,for months ansd espically that weekend.. Why doesnt HD come clean? He's told several lies,so somethings WRONG..........

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I have an idea, Dr. Lewdwig,would you use someof your connections and talk to Dr.Godwin,...I wasnt here when he was part of the investigation,but He may want to talk about things now?and clarify phone records,etc.

JMHO

[Dr Lewdwig]

If she was killed by Hd,not only would she not mind,IMO,she fully expects us too.Isnt that what justice is about?Something happened to Tara .......and as far as we know,there was something going on back and forth,for months ansd espically that weekend.. Why doesnt HD come clean? He's told several lies,so somethings WRONG..........

JMHO

I will try to speak to Dr. Godwin. Thats a good idea.

Ok, in the meantime, we're almost set to go. We need to find Mr. Foot Fetish and get him to agree. I will try to find his name on the web. If you don't mind having your feet licked, you can be one of the main players. I have a camcorder.

[Brainstorm]

I will try to speak to Dr. Godwin. Thats a good idea.

Ok, in the meantime, we're almost set to go. We need to find Mr. Foot Fetish and get him to agree. I will try to find his name on the web. If you don't mind having your feet licked, you can be one of the main players. I have a camcorder.

NO THANK YOU.....I would like to talk to him,but not there.Of course,if this happened,they wouldn not send him.,,,,,IMO.........and if they did,would he go? now?
JMHO