The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[dixinites]

So far my strongest theory, and it's just that, a theory, is that Tara had plans to see HD that night, but they weren't comfortable meeting at her house because MrsD. had become suspicious. A friend of mine even pointed out that a PI could have been following them in the past, and MrsD. could have known of a special meeting place. JMO.

Anyway, whether they went there, and he alone harmed Tara, or they were followed there by MrsD. and a confrontation ensued, are my two ways of thinking. I'm not familiar enough with the area to even begin to speculate where they might meet in private and not be interrupted. That's why the Lower River Road info was so interesting to me. If something happened between them, there wouldn't be alot of DNA in his vehicle trying to dispose of a body if they were already in that area.

I haven't given alot of thought to premeditation, I haven't come up with a motive. What youre saying sounds plausible to me, but what would be his motive?

One possibility would be that he found out she was seeing someone else, or still contacting MH, but she didn't know that he knew...

[odette]

So far my strongest theory, and it's just that, a theory, is that Tara had plans to see HD that night, but they weren't comfortable meeting at her house because MrsD. had become suspicious. A friend of mine even pointed out that a PI could have been following them in the past, and MrsD. could have known of a special meeting place. JMO.

Anyway, whether they went there, and he alone harmed Tara, or they were followed there by MrsD. and a confrontation ensued, are my two ways of thinking. I'm not familiar enough with the area to even begin to speculate where they might meet in private and not be interrupted. That's why the Lower River Road info was so interesting to me. If something happened between them, there wouldn't be alot of DNA in his vehicle trying to dispose of a body if they were already in that area.

I haven't given alot of thought to premeditation, I haven't come up with a motive. What youre saying sounds plausible to me, but what would be his motive?

One possibility would be that he found out she was seeing someone else, or still contacting MH, but she didn't know that he knew...

The Lower River Road info is very interesting to me as well and where you say "If something happened between them, there wouldn't be alot of DNA in his vehicle trying to dispose of a body if they were already in that area", I am in total agreement.

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

ITA here but there are countless "probably good locations" all up and down those routes from Ocilla ,Fitz. Abbeville,Hawkinsville. We have to narrow it down more.JMHO

[Brainstorm]

It's true that it isn't written in stone that Tara didn't have a passport, but I would think that this would have been checked out early in the investigation and most likely shared with the family. It isn't likely, IMO, that AG could have sat on that tidbit of information.

I don't think Tara had a passport, JMO.

ITA-I believe that is one of the first things LE did was check this info.My God, if she had had a passport ......... she would IMO have been tracked down by now.
There would have been no need for AG to spin the story she spun if they could have said Tara had a passport and because her life become so UNGLUED she is simply living and loving in ..........where ever.
You can all go to timbucktoo,but I think the back roads,river roads,etc. is a much mor likely place to focus.Lovers lanes, old homeplaces,wells,you were all here yesterday.
How many such places can we all remember from back in the day?
Red Bluff,Poor Robin,county landing,Jacksonville bridge area ?
Does anyone remember a place north of Fitz.south of Abbeville called ah-sa-wee-see? I'm sorry,I can't spell. It was a crystal clear cold deep(no bottom ever found ) springs.
People from that area could probably name more.
Just throwing this out.We have got to narrow it on down

[Brainstorm]

Not even funny !!! My point was "go ANYWHERE" to look but IMO she's right here in So. Ga. and IMO probably in one of those old abondened wells.

[Brainstorm]

Letree-

Are you being serious or sarcastic? Either's fine, I'm just not sure which you're doing tonight. I admit being a little "wow'd" by your postings this evening. I can argue that she left on her own just as easy as I can argue foul play, so I don't dismiss her being alive and well somewhere at all. Is there something to back up your information about the professor in Waycross or is that a guess? I'd love to hear more, seriously.

[QUOTE=Letree;8805192]The only thing that I fabricated was that she might be living in East Grinstead, Eng., although it is true that her family came from there. imo[/QUOT

Phuleeze !!!!!!
I admit to being deflected last nite and looking back thats all I can say right now.........PHUUUUULLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSS SEEEEEEEEE ??

[Brainstorm]

Looking back again, I CAN NOT BELIEVE MY OWN SELF !!!!!!
Read those post again,please,-----Letree's--------- from yesterday !!!! I can not believe I let my own self entertain,for even one second,any of that BS GARBAGE !!!!!!!!!!!
INDEED !!!!!
I'm much older and WISER this morning .

[Brainstorm]

I have no direction to go with this but this question has bugged me all day. Do anyone know if AG/LG lives in area of the friend that HD has been said to have visited on Sunday. I can do the search myself but as always a quick answer will be appreciated. IJM

Good question.Do we know ANYTHING about the location of this friends place?

[readmylips]

**As an aside, I'm giving RML the "Avatar of the Month" award**


why thank you *blushing* i didn't even have time to prepare an acceptance speech!

[readmylips]

I have been told by someone about a professor from Waycross that Tara met. I was not told that he was the father of Tara's baby. That is not a fabrication, but I can't say that it can be called direct knowledge because it was told to me. I was told that Tara was alive and had a baby. I have no proof. I don't intend to tell LE about anything I've heard because I'm sure they know more than me. As far as I can determine, Tara doesn't want to be exposed. With that said, I can't swear that Tara is alive or has a baby because I haven't seen her. I have only been told this information by someone who knows her. If it turns out that I have been lied to and Tara was murdered, I hope the murderer gets what he/she deserves. My theories are just my opinion.

thank you for your explanation of the basis for your theory letree. my not so humble opinion on it is this. if i put myself in your shoes, there is no amount of justification that removes what i feel is a moral obligation to report that information to le. one cannot assume that the person reporting that information to you has shared it with le. if they have even one small piece of valid information then it warrants exploration and should be reported. that persons name and location should be reported to le so they can properly explore it and determine whether it is valid or not. it matters not whether tara wants to be exposed or not. if indeed this is true. if it is true then she lost the privledge of being undisturbed by allowing herself to be deemed missing. and this is not about rewards, this is about right and wrong. there are too many people being negatively affected by this situation and too many resources being expended to find her to just shrug your shoulders and say she doesn't want to be found so i am not saying anything.

with all of that said, i doubt seriously that this person has any knowledge of tara or her whereabouts. i suspect it is one of the many opinions floating around out there. however, if they do have some information they have an obligation to share it and you have an obligation to do it for them if they don't. 'nuff said on the subject for me. it now falls in the put out or get out category.

[concernedperson]

Pardon me if I screwed up this multi-quote post, first time I'm trying it.

Someone mentioned earlier on that Tara, as a single woman living alone, may have kept a gun in her bedside table. IMO, she may have invited someone in or opened the door for someone and then realized her mistake and went for her gun, JMHO. That might explain the signs of a slight struggle. Also, IMO, Tara was a very small woman and tired from a long day, it wouldn't have taken a very large man to hit her hard enough to knock her out and then take her out of the house. JMVHO.

That would certainly explain the mini struggle look around her nightstand. And, frankly, it sounds logical too.

[groucho]

Wasn't it discussed a while back that the lamp was already broken and that Mr. P had worked on it a few times? And the cat being shut up in the house for the entire weekend could have gotten bored and was jumpy and knocked off these things. I just seem to recall this but can't remember when it was discussed.

[odette]

Pardon me if I screwed up this multi-quote post, first time I'm trying it.

Someone mentioned earlier on that Tara, as a single woman living alone, may have kept a gun in her bedside table. IMO, she may have invited someone in or opened the door for someone and then realized her mistake and went for her gun, JMHO. That might explain the signs of a slight struggle. Also, IMO, Tara was a very small woman and tired from a long day, it wouldn't have taken a very large man to hit her hard enough to knock her out and then take her out of the house. JMVHO.

Merrick .. My line of thought, was following on from where you posted "If Tara was not conscious when they left, it's possible she gained consciousness and started screaming her head off".

I think that this is plausible and could explain the scream heard coming from a moving vehicle on Sunday 23 October at 3:30 am.

Merrick
Senior Member
Yesterday, 07:16 PM ~ Post #2962
The Men in this Case: Discusssion

<snip> If Tara was not conscious when they left, it's possible she gained consciousness and started screaming her head off, JMHO. <snip>

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=266543&page=75

JMHO

[Results]

No information that Tara was alive and had a baby until we found out HD was on a road he had no business on because he claims she was in danger. Doesn't add up but what does add up is NOW WE THINK A SEARCH OF THIS ROAD WOULD BE IMPORTANT and all of a sudden BAMB Tara is pregnant and alive. Seems very odd to me that now they are willing to give us this information because of the vist to a friend that HD just out of the blue for years he had not seen this friend and just drops in the same day he is looking for Tara because she is in danger. IMO search that road. The AG camp has made noise about searching people's land...well lets see how many people will let a search go on on their properties. IF they fail to follow up on this then that tells me all I need to know about the search for Tara! JMHO

Let me make myself clear on Tara being alive and with a child. It has been speculated but never has anyone said they knew it for a fact and they were going to see this bundle of joy. I'm with rml put up or shut up or maybe rml was nicer then me in her post. Fancy dancing steps around here I must say! JMHO

[Lindsey]

Wasn't it discussed a while back that the lamp was already broken and that Mr. P had worked on it a few times? And the cat being shut up in the house for the entire weekend could have gotten bored and was jumpy and knocked off these things. I just seem to recall this but can't remember when it was discussed.

I've never heard anything about Mr. P working on the lamp but I have heard the lamp had been broken before.

The cat was said to be a very unfriendly cat and liked only Tara. It has been stated the cat would run under Tara's bed when anyone else was in the house. I can see how the cat could be responsible for the lamp being turned over on the table and the clock being on the floor.

JMO

[odette]

I have been told by someone about a professor from Waycross that Tara met. I was not told that he was the father of Tara's baby. That is not a fabrication, but I can't say that it can be called direct knowledge because it was told to me. I was told that Tara was alive and had a baby. I have no proof. I don't intend to tell LE about anything I've heard because I'm sure they know more than me. As far as I can determine, Tara doesn't want to be exposed. With that said, I can't swear that Tara is alive or has a baby because I haven't seen her. I have only been told this information by someone who knows her. If it turns out that I have been lied to and Tara was murdered, I hope the murderer gets what he/she deserves. My theories are just my opinion.

Letree .. Was it HD who gave you this information that Tara is alive with a baby and was it HD who told you about this Professor from Waycross?.

You say that you don't intend telling LE about anything that you have been told by 'someone' who knows Tara, regarding her being alive, and that she doesn't want to be exposed?. Why not?. I think that you need to tell LE about this without delay.

JMHO

[RCM-715]

It is a fact the passport subject can't be proven to the board with words. TG does not have a passport obtained through the state dept. You are right though in a way, that's not to say she doesn't have an illegal one. That is a possibility.






According to? .... RCM who is a friend of MH who hadn't been involved with TG intimately in for how long? And who doesn't know exactly all that she might have done or prepared for, not having been there 24/7. I would say that might be open to question.

Has that been absolutely proven? If it has been proven then I apologize to RCM, but at this time I would rather have my facts from someone who can prove it, not just say it. I don't believe that MH wouldn't have every fact any longer.

JMO and I don't mean to offend, I just have questions about that. :shrug:

[concernedperson]

I just cannot see Tara moving to another country...with or without a legal passport. If she wanted to be left alone why not move to Atlanta? Basically anonymous and could still use her teaching credentials and no one would care about her past "love" interests.

She could start all over without her local baggage even if she had a baby in tow. Now the professor aspect is interesting as to who that could be and how he played into this.

[The R]

Letree, I sense that you sincerely want to believe this person who told you that Tara is alive and has a baby. I also am sensing that you may be starting to wonder if you have been lied to. I may be wrong in this assumption, but it is what I am picking up from your post. All I can say to you is 'consider the source' of this information and ask yourself why would this person want you to believe this if it is not true.

JMHO

I for one hope the person that Letree's been talking to is not Manny......

ALLMO


R

[One2Snoop]

I for one hope the person that Letree's been talking to is not Manny......

ALLMO


R

:eek: :lol:

[RCM-715]

CP: I agree with you. I feel she would be in the states. TG wasn't well traveled anyway.

I just cannot see Tara moving to another country...with or without a legal passport. If she wanted to be left alone why not move to Atlanta? Basically anonymous and could still use her teaching credentials and no one would care about her past "love" interests.

She could start all over without her local baggage even if she had a baby in tow. Now the professor aspect is interesting as to who that could be and how he played into this.

[odette]

Odette,

I couldn't agree more, as I'm sure most of us who are here for Tara agree. LE needs to be told this information as soon as possible. Even if it is not entirely true, there just may be that one grain of truth within the whole that will help solve this case.

Letree,

Here are 3 numbers you can call to give LE this information. You can do so anonymously - GBI 478-987-4545, Toll free 1-800-567-8477, local 229-468-8477.

I agree Merrick .. Even if it is not true, this information needs to passed on to LE. If the information is true that would be wonderful, but if it is not true and turns out to be a pack of lies, LE needs to know who this "someone" is. I can imagine that someone with a 'cloud of suspicion' hanging over them might say something along these lines.

JMHO

[sogalady]

I for one hope the person that Letree's been talking to is not Manny......

ALLMO


R

Please,,,,,,,please,,,,,,,,please,,,,,anyone but Manny ! :( Surely, without a doubt,, ANYONE , would know better than to listen to such nonsense !:eek:

[Brainstorm]

No information that Tara was alive and had a baby until we found out HD was on a road he had no business on because he claims she was in danger. Doesn't add up but what does add up is NOW WE THINK A SEARCH OF THIS ROAD WOULD BE IMPORTANT and all of a sudden BAMB Tara is pregnant and alive. Seems very odd to me that now they are willing to give us this information because of the vist to a friend that HD just out of the blue for years he had not seen this friend and just drops in the same day he is looking for Tara because she is in danger. IMO search that road. The AG camp has made noise about searching people's land...well lets see how many people will let a search go on on their properties. IF they fail to follow up on this then that tells me all I need to know about the search for Tara! JMHO

Let me make myself clear on Tara being alive and with a child. It has been speculated but never has anyone said they knew it for a fact and they were going to see this bundle of joy. I'm with rml put up or shut up or maybe rml was nicer then me in her post. Fancy dancing steps around here I must say! JMHO

WELL THANK YOU RESULTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I swear and the dancing steps had me spinning.LOL For real,if I'm lying, I'm dying !!!!!!!!
Think back to that week BEFORE Tara went missing.The weeks before and leading up to THE DAY of her abduction were by NO MEANS just another day in small town Mayberry,etc......There are people going
back and forth to the town.Hundreds of people from EVERYWHERE converging on this Big Festival time of year.The pagaent was only one evnt among many many others.
WHAT BETTER TIME for someone to disappear ?

I think this was premeditated.If it could not be pinned and pointed at MH,AV or countless others, then it "would have to be a stranger that saw her and just swooped her up" When else is there such an opportunity in a place the size of Ocilla ?
I realize the pagaent was 1 week BEFORE the Parade but it tooks weeks and months to materialize.HD knew this..He's a smart man.
But he's also IMO a cheater and liar so .............

[sogalady]

I agree Merrick .. Even if it is not true, this information needs to passed on to LE. If the information is true that would be wonderful, but if it is not true and turns out to be a pack of lies, LE needs to know who this "someone" is. I can imagine that someone with a 'cloud of suspicion' hanging over them might say something along these lines.

JMHO

Odette, I agree 100%, you must have read my mind.:)

[fsbiii]

I've simmered today, and I must say: the info from letree is no different than something like Justice4Tara would post. "I've been told that Tara's voice activated recorder has some interesting conversations from 10-22 on it" or "Now that we know what the key found in Tara's yard fits, there's no need to change your locks."

I wish it wasn't such a cynical place to be, but it is. "I've heard" Tara is alive and was sweet on a college professor should mean nothing to anyone, IMO. If that is offensive to letree or anyone else, so be it.

Just my opinion, naturally.

[dixinites]

I just cannot see Tara moving to another country...with or without a legal passport. If she wanted to be left alone why not move to Atlanta? Basically anonymous and could still use her teaching credentials and no one would care about her past "love" interests.

She could start all over without her local baggage even if she had a baby in tow. Now the professor aspect is interesting as to who that could be and how he played into this.

ONE MORE TIME: If Tara was embarrassed, pregnant, despondent, overwhelmed, heart-broken, jealous, angry or disillusioned, I don't think she would have devastated her parents and threw away her career and educational achievements, that she worked so hard for, to shuck it all and go into hiding. That makes NO sense. She could have told her family and close friends and relocated.

She doesn't strike me as being the most stout-hearted person emotionally.
If she had something this momentous planned, (which I still think is absurd),
how could she function in a normal capacity at the pageant, bbq, etc.
Why bother to go at all? She could have easily bowed out with a "headache" or something. JMO, but jeeeez...

[One2Snoop]

ONE MORE TIME: If Tara was embarrassed, pregnant, despondent, overwhelmed, heart-broken, jealous, angry or disillusioned, I don't think she would have devastated her parents and threw away her career and educational achievements, that she worked so hard for, to shuck it all and go into hiding. That makes NO sense. She could have told her family and close friends and relocated.

She doesn't strike me as being the most stout-hearted person emotionally.
If she had something this momentous planned, (which I still think is absurd),
how could she function in a normal capacity at the pageant, bbq, etc.
Why bother to go at all? She could have easily bowed out with a "headache" or something. JMO, but jeeeez...

ITA Dixie - I think the thing everyone forgets are Tara's actions on that Saturday - and there was no indication to anyone that anything was wrong. The last picture taken of Tara that evening doesn't show a worried stressed out Tara. She looked rather happy to me. IMO JMO

[fsbiii]

I've never seen it this way, honestly. If she was the perfectionist that many people have opined she was, her leaving without a trace due to imperfection (in her eyes) seems plausible to me. Her relationship with her mom and sister is obviously way more dysfunctional than most, and who really knows what Tara thought of her dad and stepmom, i.e., would she tell them or not? I still say she could've been the victim of foul play or she could've ran away with someone's help. But if her personality drove the latter (a personality that we web sleuths probably don't know 10% of), she wouldn't have given a damn about her job, her pets, or anything else; if her goal was to rid herself of something she perceived to be life damaging or altering...I could see her vanishing like this to escape it.

Again, we don't know anything though - that's the problem.

ONE MORE TIME: If Tara was embarrassed, pregnant, despondent, overwhelmed, heart-broken, jealous, angry or disillusioned, I don't think she would have devastated her parents and threw away her career and educational achievements, that she worked so hard for, to shuck it all and go into hiding. That makes NO sense. She could have told her family and close friends and relocated.

She doesn't strike me as being the most stout-hearted person emotionally.
If she had something this momentous planned, (which I still think is absurd),
how could she function in a normal capacity at the pageant, bbq, etc.
Why bother to go at all? She could have easily bowed out with a "headache" or something. JMO, but jeeeez...

[dixinites]

I've simmered today, and I must say: the info from letree is no different than something like Justice4Tara would post. "I've been told that Tara's voice activated recorder has some interesting conversations from 10-22 on it" or "Now that we know what the key found in Tara's yard fits, there's no need to change your locks."

I wish it wasn't such a cynical place to be, but it is. "I've heard" Tara is alive and was sweet on a college professor should mean nothing to anyone, IMO. If that is offensive to letree or anyone else, so be it.

Just my opinion, naturally.

The information posted is also reminiscent of someone on the board who you, in no uncertain terms, expressed no desire to interact with.

So, of course, we're off track again. Honestly, I don't know how you long timers have hung in here for so long...seems it would require patience of steel or some mighty fine nerve pills. I'm afraid I have neither.

[readmylips]

I've simmered today, and I must say: the info from letree is no different than something like Justice4Tara would post. "I've been told that Tara's voice activated recorder has some interesting conversations from 10-22 on it" or "Now that we know what the key found in Tara's yard fits, there's no need to change your locks."

I wish it wasn't such a cynical place to be, but it is. "I've heard" Tara is alive and was sweet on a college professor should mean nothing to anyone, IMO. If that is offensive to letree or anyone else, so be it.

Just my opinion, naturally.

i have to agree. well said

[fsbiii]

I keep tequila and apple juice nearby at all times!

(That's a joke for the REAL OLE TIMERS on here and at TalkTara!!... Anyone remember WILMA???)

The information posted is also reminiscent of someone on the board who you, in no uncertain terms, expressed no desire to interact with.

So, of course, we're off track again. Honestly, I don't know how you long timers have hung in here for so long...seems it would require patience of steel or some mighty fine nerve pills. I'm afraid I have neither.

[readmylips]

WELL THANK YOU RESULTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I swear and the dancing steps had me spinning.LOL For real,if I'm lying, I'm dying !!!!!!!!
Think back to that week BEFORE Tara went missing.The weeks before and leading up to THE DAY of her abduction were by NO MEANS just another day in small town Mayberry,etc......There are people going
back and forth to the town.Hundreds of people from EVERYWHERE converging on this Big Festival time of year.The pagaent was only one evnt among many many others.
WHAT BETTER TIME for someone to disappear ?

I think this was premeditated.If it could not be pinned and pointed at MH,AV or countless others, then it "would have to be a stranger that saw her and just swooped her up" When else is there such an opportunity in a place the size of Ocilla ?
I realize the pagaent was 1 week BEFORE the Parade but it tooks weeks and months to materialize.HD knew this..He's a smart man.
But he's also IMO a cheater and liar so .............

actually the festival was the weekend following her disappearance so it was just regular old small town mayberry the weekend she disappeared. traffic for the festival would not start until late in the week after she disappeared.

[dixinites]

I keep tequila and apple juice nearby at all times!

(That's a joke for the REAL OLE TIMERS on here and at TalkTara!!... Anyone remember WILMA???)

Thanks for the tip...I think I have a lime in the fridge..

[mooloo]

In some cases, a nice bull**** filter works.

I don't know honestly what I think about Tara. For so long, I thought she just left of her own volition. Now, I don't know. I could easily see her doing that. Hurting her family? I'm of the school of thought that thinks there is not a lot of love lost in that family OR they know where she is and have just shut up after putting on a big show originally--no cameras, no worries.

The information posted is also reminiscent of someone on the board who you, in no uncertain terms, expressed no desire to interact with.

So, of course, we're off track again. Honestly, I don't know how you long timers have hung in here for so long...seems it would require patience of steel or some mighty fine nerve pills. I'm afraid I have neither.

[Brainstorm]

actually the festival was the weekend following her disappearance so it was just regular old small town mayberry the weekend she disappeared. traffic for the festival would not start until late in the week after she disappeared.

I know the parade was a week later,but I can't agree it would have been a regular mayberry any time during those couple weeks before.People made plans for months to go to the area.Big motorcycle rally etc.
With that said, I am not implying at all that SOME STRANGER abducted and harmed Tara.Not at all. I'm saying that this would have been a good time for someone close and wanting to do such,to do it.
Amidst the events that were going on at the time and the hundreds of strangers in and around the area.
JMHO

[Lindsey]

I've never seen it this way, honestly. If she was the perfectionist that many people have opined she was, her leaving without a trace due to imperfection (in her eyes) seems plausible to me. Her relationship with her mom and sister is obviously way more dysfunctional than most, and who really knows what Tara thought of her dad and stepmom, i.e., would she tell them or not? I still say she could've been the victim of foul play or she could've ran away with someone's help. But if her personality drove the latter (a personality that we web sleuths probably don't know 10% of), she wouldn't have given a damn about her job, her pets, or anything else; if her goal was to rid herself of something she perceived to be life damaging or altering...I could see her vanishing like this to escape it.

Again, we don't know anything though - that's the problem.

You are so on target with this whole post! And some have talked of Tara being happy/upbeat that Saturday so everything must have been hunky dory with her. Wrong! It's a well known fact in the mental health field, a person often seems happier and more carefree after they've made a decision to "solve" a problem by making a change in their lives, including running away or even committing suicide. I'm not saying I think Tara did either but it's not impossible.

JMOO

[Lindsey]

I keep tequila and apple juice nearby at all times!

(That's a joke for the REAL OLE TIMERS on here and at TalkTara!!... Anyone remember WILMA???)

Good ol' WILMA!
:beer:

[dixinites]

I've never seen it this way, honestly. If she was the perfectionist that many people have opined she was, her leaving without a trace due to imperfection (in her eyes) seems plausible to me. Her relationship with her mom and sister is obviously way more dysfunctional than most, and who really knows what Tara thought of her dad and stepmom, i.e., would she tell them or not? I still say she could've been the victim of foul play or she could've ran away with someone's help. But if her personality drove the latter (a personality that we web sleuths probably don't know 10% of), she wouldn't have given a damn about her job, her pets, or anything else; if her goal was to rid herself of something she perceived to be life damaging or altering...I could see her vanishing like this to escape it.

Again, we don't know anything though - that's the problem.

Ok, so maybe she wouldn't have told her mother...I really don't know what their dynamic was, but do you think she would have gone to such lengths to make it look like an abduction? I understand the "drama queen" angle, but this would be WAY over the top! And as O2S pointed out, she seemed fine on Saturday. JMO, if she was in the frame of mind to "not give a damn" about her family, job and pets, why would she give a damn about a Sweet Potato Pageant?

I truly respect your opinion FSB...I'm open to many lines of thinking...this one just doesn't fit for me. MOO.

[dixinites]

FSB, I tried to edit and add: You're right there's alot we don't know.

[One2Snoop]

Does this look like someone whose ready to leave the life she loves on her own? Not IMO.

http://i18.tinypic.com/2a9y9ft.jpg

[fsbiii]

I'm not sure what a photo of a person planning to start a new life would look like, to be honest! *LOL*

[One2Snoop]

I'm not sure what a photo of a person planning to start a new life would look like, to be honest! *LOL*

Well I don't know about you but I know I couldn't keep a secret like that from everyone I know - I'd tell someone something. *LOL*

[fsbiii]

dixie-

I guess I disagree that great lengths were taken to look like an abduction. Even LE early on appeared to be of the mindset that no abduction took place, IMO. I definitely can't say what was going on in her mind that day and night, so I really have no definitive answer to any of this. Maybe helping the girls that day was her final "task" before starting over somewhere else as a new person? I have no clue, for the record. Just food for thought.

[fsbiii]

If she's alive and well, trust me - someone knows. Someone's known since 10/22/05.

Well I don't know about you but I know I couldn't keep a secret like that from everyone I know - I'd tell someone something.

[Brainstorm]

If she's alive and well, trust me - someone knows. Someone's known since 10/22/05.

The same can be said if she is IMO dead and dumped in an old well or such.SOME BODY KNOWS.
JMHO

[readmylips]

I know the parade was a week later,but I can't agree it would have been a regular mayberry any time during those couple weeks before.People made plans for months to go to the area.Big motorcycle rally etc.
With that said, I am not implying at all that SOME STRANGER abducted and harmed Tara.Not at all. I'm saying that this would have been a good time for someone close and wanting to do such,to do it.
Amidst the events that were going on at the time and the hundreds of strangers in and around the area.
JMHO

the festival itself was a week later. the only event that was held the weekend tara disappeard was the pageant and it was held in fitzgerald, not ocilla. trust me on this one. the traffic in ocilla was normal everyday traffic the weekend of the 22nd.. i understand what you're saying and it would surely apply if she had disappeared the weekend of the festival but that just isn't what happened. remember that the festival is just a one day event. ocilla is not the kind of place that warrants people coming in a week or two before a one day festival.

were you in ocilla and witnessed out of the norm traffic that weekend? if so, then i stand to be corrected and offer my apologies. :)

[readmylips]

dixie-

I guess I disagree that great lengths were taken to look like an abduction. Even LE early on appeared to be of the mindset that no abduction took place, IMO. I definitely can't say what was going on in her mind that day and night, so I really have no definitive answer to any of this. Maybe helping the girls that day was her final "task" before starting over somewhere else as a new person? I have no clue, for the record. Just food for thought.

i have no idea whether she was abducted, left of her own accord or what but your post made me recall the mention many moons ago that tara had cancelled a committment just prior to her disappearance. it was said that the cancellation was very out of the ordinary for her and some considered that it may have been done in preparation for an exit. others have said she canceled because it conflicted with something else and should not be considered to be significant. there were a couple of interpretations on it as with everything in this case. makes my brain hurt sometimes.

[Brainstorm]

the festival itself was a week later. the only event that was held the weekend tara disappeard was the pageant and it was held in fitzgerald, not ocilla. trust me on this one. the traffic in ocilla was normal everyday traffic the weekend of the 22nd.. i understand what you're saying and it would surely apply if she had disappeared the weekend of the festival but that just isn't what happened. remember that the festival is just a one day event. ocilla is not the kind of place that warrants people coming in a week or two before a one day festival.

were you in ocilla and witnessed out of the norm traffic that weekend? if so, then i stand to be corrected and offer my apologies. :)

Somewhat.I try to stay away from that area because there usually are dozens of motorcycles all around the place during that week or so before.Some of the folks stay in other communities, Tifton,Douglas,Fitz. etc.


I need to add that I do not think any of these visitors to the community had ANYTHING to do with Taras' disappearance.I believe HD knows.
They used to have IIRC a rally and/or campout somewhere in the area also.
JMOO

[fsbiii]

IIRC, it was a pageant that she was going to judge or attend out of town. At first, people began saying she cancelled for no reason, and it seemed hinky. Then, IIRC, it was reported (thru AG) that the event was on the weekend of Tara's birthday and she had other plans so she had to cancel. I always leaned to the former-hinky because Tara would've known it was her birthday when she confirmed or knew the event's date to begin with.

i have no idea whether she was abducted, left of her own accord or what but your post made me recall the mention many moons ago that tara had cancelled a committment just prior to her disappearance. it was said that the cancellation was very out of the ordinary for her and some considered that it may have been done in preparation for an exit. others have said she canceled because it conflicted with something else and should not be considered to be significant. there were a couple of interpretations on it as with everything in this case. makes my brain hurt sometimes.

[One2Snoop]

IIRC, it was a pageant that she was going to judge or attend out of town. At first, people began saying she cancelled for no reason, and it seemed hinky. Then, IIRC, it was reported (thru AG) that the event was on the weekend of Tara's birthday and she had other plans so she had to cancel. I always leaned to the former-hinky because Tara would've known it was her birthday when she confirmed or knew the event's date to begin with.


It's also possible she signed up before the date was confirmed. JMO

[dixinites]

dixie-

I guess I disagree that great lengths were taken to look like an abduction. Even LE early on appeared to be of the mindset that no abduction took place, IMO. I definitely can't say what was going on in her mind that day and night, so I really have no definitive answer to any of this. Maybe helping the girls that day was her final "task" before starting over somewhere else as a new person? I have no clue, for the record. Just food for thought.

One thing I have perceived from posters, articles, etc. was that Tara was real "into" her appearance. The fact that none of her clothes, shoes, jewelry and makeup were missing says alot to me. Leaving all these things behind, IMO, would make it appear she was abducted (or worse). If she were going to just run away and start over somewhere, I think she would have taken something, actually ALOT of something, even if she didn't want to tell anyone.

By going to great lengths, I basically meant, not packing anything, leaving her car, not even making "weekend" arrangements for her pets. Since none of us are privy to her financial information, I don't know for sure, but I can't see how she could finance such a venture. If early on LE didn't think it was an abduction, maybe that was because there was no sign of forced entry or sign of a struggle, and they may have thought she had gone away for a while.
But it's been a very long while.

I'm not disputing anything you've said, but these points could be considered food for thought as well. JMO.

[fsbiii]

If she's alive and well, someone is helping her financially--without a doubt. There was a lot of information about her finances scattered thru the landmines here at one point. Remember the "borrowing against her retirement" to "pay down credit card" debt? That was a rumor, perhaps a fact. Then Popcorn came around to say that she got a new card to pay off an old card, IIRC. Then there was the 'withdrawal' to buy a horse....or something. Again, no one is privy to the facts about her money, and the ones who are privy can't seem to tell a straight story for some reason.

I don't think anyone knows for sure what was missing from her home (clothes wise, etc.).

I also think if she left, she might not have intended to be gone long - but things changed.

[Brainstorm]

Wasn't there also cash found in her car ?

[One2Snoop]

Wasn't there also cash found in her car ?

I believe it was finally verified as being $100 - IIRC.

[fsbiii]

The media reported $300, then $100 was stated by AG on television.

Has LE ever confirmed money in the car? They may have, and I've just forgotten. I know LE confirmed missing keys, purse, car at home, etc. But have they ever mentioned the money before?

[Results]

Tara seemed to thrive on being popular with her students and helping them out. Tara seemed to thrive for attention and to be noticed from what I have read. Maybe this isn't the case. I don't know? IF Tara left on her own and she doesn't want to be found then maybe we should all just leave her alone. It appears the family is not looking for her. If their not pleading for her or looking for her then maybe they have heard from her. Maybe it's time to move on. JMHO

[fsbiii]

Speaking for the fizz, if I firmly believed she left on her own, I would stop sleuthing. I made that commitment to myself a few months ago. However, I am still sleuthing. I do not fimrly believe she left on her own - but it's possible.

[concernedperson]

You are right fsbiii, it could be possible but I don't think so. Haven't from the beginning. Dixi brings up points we talked about a long time ago...no really nice looking woman is leaving without her makeup. Now, that would be impossible!!! Do you realize that a tube of Bobbi Brown lipstick is 18 dollars? Probably not, but my point is Tara would have accumulated a lot of makeup and hair care products etc. and wouldn't be willing to drop everything.

And wouldn't be willing to leave a lot of personal things. The pics of her house are almost shrinelike in tribute to pageants and other accomplishments.
This lady did not leave of her own accord. IMO.

[fsbiii]

I agree with the notion, cp. But I cannot confirm what makeup is at her house and what isn't. The talk of the missing overnight bag that she always had in her home is a thorn in my side. If it was taken by her in a voluntary leave, what was in it? As for personal effects and crowns, etc., my opinion is that if she chose to vanish and start over, completely, she wouldn't care about symbolic remains of her past.

(I always want to end every post about her leaving on her own with an "I have no idea if this is true"! But I do like to see points and counterpoints!)

[concernedperson]

I agree with the notion, cp. But I cannot confirm what makeup is at her house and what isn't. The talk of the missing overnight bag that she always had in her home is a thorn in my side. If it was taken by her in a voluntary leave, what was in it? As for personal effects and crowns, etc., my opinion is that if she chose to vanish and start over, completely, she wouldn't care about symbolic remains of her past.

(I always want to end every post about her leaving on her own with an "I have no idea if this is true"! But I do like to see points and counterpoints!)

The missing overnight/gym bag is something to contend with (I bet it had some makeup in it) and I feel like it was more of fling/tryst/booty call than a full fledged leaving forever.

You are thinking like a man LOL! not a 30 year old ex-beauty queen from s. Georgia.

The point about contact lens products is noted, Merrick. If you wear them you have stuff always around you. A lot of people don't change makeup out frequently...too expensive.

I don't see Tara traveling lightly. JMO.

[sogalady]

Somewhat.I try to stay away from that area because there usually are dozens of motorcycles all around the place during that week or so before.Some of the folks stay in other communities, Tifton,Douglas,Fitz. etc.


I need to add that I do not think any of these visitors to the community had ANYTHING to do with Taras' disappearance.I believe HD knows.
They used to have IIRC a rally and/or campout somewhere in the area also.
JMOO

Brainstorm, You are right about the bike rally/ campout event (not sure exactly what the community referred to it as) that had been held for several years in the days leading up to the Sweet Potato Festival. IIRC, it officially began on Thursday prior to the festival on Saturday. It was hosted by a local attorney who is now deceased. Eventhough, he is deceased this event continues on his property, apparently in the same fashion as before his death. The cook out/ dance/ etc. is held for two nights IIRC, it is Friday and Saturday night. I know that a couple of days leading up to the rally/campout it is always obvious that is the "week of the Tater Festival",, LOL, as referred to by many, by the beautiful and unique bikes in the area but when Thursday rolls around there is no doubt! ( just ask the employees at the "Catfish House")

I DO agree with you, I do not feel that any of the visitors had one thing to do with this and could have only impacted the community of Tara's disappearance by the increased flow of traffic had it been a few days earlier. But I have been in and through Ocilla during the festival and the days leading up to it for many years now and IMO, the weekend that Tara disappeared was "normal" in every other way, including traffic, except for this awful mystery. Just my thoughts and observations.

[Results]

IIRC, it was a pageant that she was going to judge or attend out of town. At first, people began saying she cancelled for no reason, and it seemed hinky. Then, IIRC, it was reported (thru AG) that the event was on the weekend of Tara's birthday and she had other plans so she had to cancel. I always leaned to the former-hinky because Tara would've known it was her birthday when she confirmed or knew the event's date to begin with.

Soo Tara was conscientious enough to cancel an upcoming event on 14th of November to judge a pageant but not thoughtful enough to inform them at the school that she wouldn't be back? :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

Soo Tara was conscientious enough to cancel an upcoming event on 14th of November to judge a pageant but not thoughtful enough to inform them at the school that she wouldn't be back? :shrug:

Thats a very good point Results!

[Lindsey]

The event was not on Tara's birthday. It was the weekend before her birthday. The event was a beauty pageant that she helped judge every (?)year along with her good friend MHu from H'ville. It was stated MHu was surprised when Tara canceled because she knew it meant a lot to her.

IIRC

[One2Snoop]

The event was not on Tara's birthday. It was the weekend before her birthday. The event was a beauty pageant that she helped judge every (?)year along with her good friend MHu from H'ville. It was stated MHu was surprised when Tara canceled because she knew it meant a lot to her.

IIRC

Thanks for clearing that up Lindsey - that certainly changes my thoughts on the situation. I wonder if Tara gave MHu the reason why she wasn't going to be judging??

[Lindsey]

Thanks for clearing that up Lindsey - that certainly changes my thoughts on the situation. I wonder if Tara gave MHu the reason why she wasn't going to be judging??

That is one of many questions I would ask MHu if I had the chance.

[readmylips]

Soo Tara was conscientious enough to cancel an upcoming event on 14th of November to judge a pageant but not thoughtful enough to inform them at the school that she wouldn't be back? :shrug:

i don't really think the 2 can be categorized in the same way. i don't necessarily think she ran off but one thing i have learned in my many trips around the sun is that we can be shocked by peoples behaviors. even people we think we know very well can do things we never expect and or that make no sense. and let's face it, none of us know tara well at all. we're forced to make assumptions based on what we've been told.

there is no smoking gun. as frustrating as it is, there just isn't. i know that there is a lot of information out there about hd that makes a lot of people lean his direction but when all is said and done it is still just speculation with no evidence of wrongdoing.

an open mind to all possibilities is my approach. and borrowing from a respected long hauler, open minded but not so open that the brain falls out. :tongue:

jmo and 2c

[Lindsey]

i don't really think the 2 can be categorized in the same way. i don't necessarily think she ran off but one thing i have learned in my many trips around the sun is that we can be shocked by peoples behaviors. even people we think we know very well can do things we never expect and or that make no sense. and let's face it, none of us know tara well at all. we're forced to make assumptions based on what we've been told.

there is no smoking gun. as frustrating as it is, there just isn't. i know that there is a lot of information out there about hd that makes a lot of people lean his direction but when all is said and done it is still just speculation with no evidence of wrongdoing.

an open mind to all possibilities is my approach. and borrowing from a respected long hauler, open minded but not so open that the brain falls out. :tongue:

jmo and 2c

Well said and ITA. :patriot:

[readmylips]

2c? .

just those old 2 cents i like to throw around! :D

[Results]

i don't really think the 2 can be categorized in the same way. i don't necessarily think she ran off but one thing i have learned in my many trips around the sun is that we can be shocked by peoples behaviors. even people we think we know very well can do things we never expect and or that make no sense. and let's face it, none of us know tara well at all. we're forced to make assumptions based on what we've been told.

there is no smoking gun. as frustrating as it is, there just isn't. i know that there is a lot of information out there about hd that makes a lot of people lean his direction but when all is said and done it is still just speculation with no evidence of wrongdoing.

an open mind to all possibilities is my approach. and borrowing from a respected long hauler, open minded but not so open that the brain falls out. :tongue:

jmo and 2c

What would you classify as wrongdoing? What are you exactly talking about here? I would be interested to know exactly what you are talking about.

[concernedperson]

The event was not on Tara's birthday. It was the weekend before her birthday. The event was a beauty pageant that she helped judge every (?)year along with her good friend MHu from H'ville. It was stated MHu was surprised when Tara canceled because she knew it meant a lot to her.

IIRC

Maybe she had a date? Maybe she was on a serious roll to find Mr. Perfect so she could settle down. I don't know at all but women in their early 30's have a timeline that defies logic. It is all about preconceived notions that really aren't about real life but someone instills these notions.

[readmylips]

What would you classify as wrongdoing? What are you exactly talking about here? I would be interested to know exactly what you are talking about.

i really don't know how to make myself any clearer than i already did but i will try. i am open to all theories and there is no smoking gun that points me hard core in any one direction. because of that i try to consider all information presented with an open mind. wrongdoing i would classify as criminal activity. hope that helps. :)

[Results]

i really don't know how to make myself any clearer than i already did but i will try. i am open to all theories and there is no smoking gun that points me hard core in any one direction. because of that i try to consider all information presented with an open mind. wrongdoing i would classify as criminal activity. hope that helps. :)

Thank you!

[dixinites]

The missing overnight/gym bag is something to contend with (I bet it had some makeup in it) and I feel like it was more of fling/tryst/booty call than a full fledged leaving forever.

You are thinking like a man LOL! not a 30 year old ex-beauty queen from s. Georgia.

The point about contact lens products is noted, Merrick. If you wear them you have stuff always around you. A lot of people don't change makeup out frequently...too expensive.

I don't see Tara traveling lightly. JMO.

Me either, and if she left on her own, and wasn't trying to make it look like a missing person's case, why not take her clothes, shoes and of course her make up. All of the above would fit into a couple of suitcases (well maybe not ALL her clothes), but IIRC, MHu said it didn't look like anything was missing. Why wouldn't she just pack her things and go? I suppose if she were pregnant, she might not need some of her clothes for a while, but pregnant isn't forever...

And what about photos and her childhood clock and her grandmother's beads and...Tara collected "Barbies", for heavens sake. Anyone who collects Barbie dolls is not gonna walk out and leave ALL her "stuff"!

And as for the makeup, FSB, show your wife a few of Tara's pix and ask her if she thinks she left her makeup, lol.

[dixinites]

If she's alive and well, someone is helping her financially--without a doubt. There was a lot of information about her finances scattered thru the landmines here at one point. Remember the "borrowing against her retirement" to "pay down credit card" debt? That was a rumor, perhaps a fact. Then Popcorn came around to say that she got a new card to pay off an old card, IIRC. Then there was the 'withdrawal' to buy a horse....or something. Again, no one is privy to the facts about her money, and the ones who are privy can't seem to tell a straight story for some reason.

I don't think anyone knows for sure what was missing from her home (clothes wise, etc.).

I also think if she left, she might not have intended to be gone long - but things changed.

Please clarify "gone long", do you mean overnight?

[One2Snoop]

Please clarify "gone long", do you mean overnight?

Not speaking for FSBiii but I believe he meant she wasn't going to be gone longer than overnight - I stand to be corrected. :patriot:

[Fun4You]

Does this look like someone whose ready to leave the life she loves on her own? Not IMO.

http://i18.tinypic.com/2a9y9ft.jpg

I have looked and looked at this picture a thousand times to see anything unusual or something amiss but besides her belly being round and a bit forward, I don't see nothing that can point to a clue as to her state of mind etc. It gives me the chills to know that at that particular moment she was still fine, laughing, enjoying herself and a few hours later she would get murdered, it's unbelievable!

Did Tara have a 'super'flat tummy or was she a bit at the round site? Could this belly indeed be holding a baby in early stages or was it just blown up a bit by eating very much at the BBQ? I am fairly slim myself but right after a meal, my belly is much rounder too so maybe we can blame it on the food being served there.

With everything being written the last weeks, I too have changed my opinion and now HD is my NO1 POI too especially since knowing he visited that friend out of the blue. I think people should search those area's because she's probably somewhere over there.

Sometimes I just stare and stare at that last picture, and sometimes her others pictures too, just trying to understand all of this, trying to reach her somehow to talk to her, to comfort her that everything will be ok, that we WILL find her one day soon and that justice will be served.
I cannot understand how someone can hurt such a beautifull soul, it's a shame and I hope when all of this comes to light and we know who this animal is who did this to Tara, there will be no compassion whatsoever for this unhuman being! I hope when the perp closes his eyes at night, every time, he will see Tara's eyes and face in her final moments and I hope it will haunt him forever!!!!

[groucho]

When this picture was taken, she hadn't been to the BBQ yet. This was taken at the pageant. I think it is just the way she is standing that makes her belly poke out some. She is not standing straight up. MHOO

[Brainstorm]

i don't really think the 2 can be categorized in the same way. i don't necessarily think she ran off but one thing i have learned in my many trips around the sun is that we can be shocked by peoples behaviors. even people we think we know very well can do things we never expect and or that make no sense. and let's face it, none of us know tara well at all. we're forced to make assumptions based on what we've been told.

there is no smoking gun. as frustrating as it is, there just isn't. i know that there is a lot of information out there about hd that makes a lot of people lean his direction but when all is said and done it is still just speculation with no evidence of wrongdoing.

an open mind to all possibilities is my approach. and borrowing from a respected long hauler, open minded but not so open that the brain falls out. :tongue:

jmo and 2c


"open that the brain falls out"

FORGIVE ME IN ADVANCE,but I took this as a personal insult.

[fsbiii]

In my hypothetical of Tara leaving on her own, the idea is that she was leaving her life and all that it was up to that point. Leaving her pets, leaving her job, leaving her problems, leaving her Barbies, etc. If she did so, logic and common sense probably wouldn't come into play as to what she'd take and what she'd leave behind, IMO. The makeup thing I do understand, as a hefty portion of my salary goes to the Clinique counter for my wife. My point is that we don't really know what makeup was gone, what was left, and what she might've bought later, if indeed she did. If she left it all behind to begin anew, who's to say she wouldn't change her appearance drastically and cut her hair off, stop wearing so much makeup, etc.

Just topics, nothing factual - as usual. :)

[Brainstorm]

I have looked and looked at this picture a thousand times to see anything unusual or something amiss but besides her belly being round and a bit forward, I don't see nothing that can point to a clue as to her state of mind etc. It gives me the chills to know that at that particular moment she was still fine, laughing, enjoying herself and a few hours later she would get murdered, it's unbelievable!

Did Tara have a 'super'flat tummy or was she a bit at the round site? Could this belly indeed be holding a baby in early stages or was it just blown up a bit by eating very much at the BBQ? I am fairly slim myself but right after a meal, my belly is much rounder too so maybe we can blame it on the food being served there.

With everything being written the last weeks, I too have changed my opinion and now HD is my NO1 POI too especially since knowing he visited that friend out of the blue. I think people should search those area's because she's probably somewhere over there.

Sometimes I just stare and stare at that last picture, and sometimes her others pictures too, just trying to understand all of this, trying to reach her somehow to talk to her, to comfort her that everything will be ok, that we WILL find her one day soon and that justice will be served.
I cannot understand how someone can hurt such a beautifull soul, it's a shame and I hope when all of this comes to light and we know who this animal is who did this to Tara, there will be no compassion whatsoever for this unhuman being! I hope when the perp closes his eyes at night, every time, he will see Tara's eyes and face in her final moments and I hope it will haunt him forever!!!!

NO compassion
unhuman being
perp will see Taras' eyes and face
HAUNT HIM FOREVER

In order for this to happen IMO HE would need a conscience .

[readmylips]

"open that the brain falls out"

FORGIVE ME IN ADVANCE,but I took this as a personal insult.

that saying wasn't directed to anyone at all. it is a measure i use to temper myself and i see it as good advice to myself. taking it as a personal insult is an example of how people take message board information too personal imo.

[fsbiii]

I took it as a joke, FWIW! *LOL*

[Brainstorm]

I took it as a joke, FWIW! *LOL*

I didn't really take it personal,just couldn't help myself.............brains falling out..........brainstorm..........I did say forgive me in advance........
Its hard to see sarcasm thru words printed on a message board,sometimes.
JMHO

[fsbiii]

I agree with you on this, 110%. From information gathered here and there, it seems she acted more like she was 18-21 instead of 30. I know people like that myself, and it's not a mean observation or anything.

You know, the Barbie dolls, the crowns, the pageants, hanging with teenaged girls, whatever it was she had going with AV, it all just makes me think that maybe Tara was trapped in perpetual adolescence. Maybe that's why she chose to teach high school kids. I don't mean this in a bad way, it just doesn't seem like typical 30-year old woman behaviour. JMHO.

[Brainstorm]

There's a letter to the editor in this weeks edition of the Star,from B&C G
reporting on the sucess of the "Spirit of Tara" pageant.
WOW,I wasn't here in the beginning but is this all that this case has been reduced to?
JMHO

[readmylips]

I didn't really take it personal,just couldn't help myself.............brains falling out..........brainstorm..........I did say forgive me in advance........
Its hard to see sarcasm thru words printed on a message board,sometimes.
JMHO

good to know you didn't really take it as a personal insult. it certainly wasn't intended to be one. :)

you're right. inflection is nearly impossible in written words. the little smileys help some but even then there's lots of room for miscommunication. i thought you were really upset and i have to admit i was kind of confused! :o

[fsbiii]

Could someone scan or transcribe the recent letters to the paper? I understand there was one last week or so about funding for the Center, too. TIA to anyone who takes on the task!

[Brainstorm]

good to know you didn't really take it as a personal insult. it certainly wasn't intended to be one. :)

you're right. inflection is nearly impossible in written words. the little smileys help some but even then there's lots of room for miscommunication. i thought you were really upset and i have to admit i was kind of confused! :o

Not at all upset-just a dry,scarcastic sense of humor-I guess.Its confusing to me at times,also, so forgive me.
JMHO

[concernedperson]

You know, the Barbie dolls, the crowns, the pageants, hanging with teenaged girls, whatever it was she had going with AV, it all just makes me think that maybe Tara was trapped in perpetual adolescence. Maybe that's why she chose to teach high school kids. I don't mean this in a bad way, it just doesn't seem like typical 30-year old woman behaviour. JMHO.

Also some of the dramatics we have heard about....sounds really young. Maybe that is why she could attract so many guys...the lacking of maturity and/or the vulnerability to be manipulated.

The combination of girly things and quite a lot of male company sounds like a classic case of childhood abuse manifesting itself in an adult behaviour. JMO.

[Brainstorm]

Also some of the dramatics we have heard about....sounds really young. Maybe that is why she could attract so many guys...the lacking of maturity and/or the vulnerability to be manipulated.

The combination of girly things and quite a lot of male company sounds like a classic case of childhood abuse manifesting itself in an adult behaviour. JMO.

A Barbie doll/fantasy world type mind set ?

[Brainstorm]

Kinda, sorta. IMO, the Barbie doll collection isn't necessarily a bad thing if the collector is doing so for the purpose of collecting them for their future value, to trade, like antique dealers, almost. There is a big market for "old" things, just browse ebay sometime. IMO, I don't think Tara was collecting them for their value. Barbie represents the "ideal" female to a lot of young girls. IMO, Tara was trying to achieve "ideal". It's not a realistic goal and most adults know that. Tara may have realized she wasn't going to be "ideal" and was just too much for her to deal with. Could explain all the relationships she had that just didn't seem to work out right. It could also explain how Tara just might be prone to histrionics that could push someone over the edge. JMVHO.

"histrionics that could push someone over the edge."

Tara herselfgoing over the edge OR SOMEONE having to deal with these histrionics ?
JMHO

[odette]

I have no direction to go with this but this question has bugged me all day. Do anyone know if AG/LG lives in area of the friend that HD has been said to have visited on Sunday. I can do the search myself but as always a quick answer will be appreciated. IJM

I think that AG/LG live in an area of Hawkinsville called Gooseneck. Lower River Road is on the opposite side of the Ocmulgee River to Gooseneck.

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I think that AG/LG live in an area of Hawkinsville called Gooseneck. Lower River Road is on the opposite side of the Ocmulgee River to Gooseneck.

JMHO

IMO HD was probably not in co hoots with AG that night.The location of his friends place is much more important to me.
I think he probably enlisted AGs' help only after the fact.
JMHO

[odette]

IMO HD was probably not in co hoots with AG that night.The location of his friends place is much more important to me.
I think he probably enlisted AGs' help only after the fact.
JMHO

I agree Brainstorm .. I don't know if HD spoke with AG/LG, before they they all arrived in Ocilla on the Monday afternoon, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they had a conversation or two. IMO 'someone' must have made some some disparaging remarks beforehand about MH for AG to to say to him on the very first day of the investigation "what did you do to my sister?"

Regarding Lower River Road .. I'd really like to know many old disused, open wells are in this area. Some local knowledge would be helpful here. TIA

It started on day one of the investigation. According to several sources, it began when Harper first showed up at police headquarters to talk with investigators. Anita Gattis met him outside and in front of other police officers, in what Harper took to be a direct accusation, she reportedly said, "what did you do to my sister?"

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/6.html


JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I agree Brainstorm .. I don't know if HD spoke with AG/LG, before they they all arrived in Ocilla on the Monday afternoon, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they had a conversation or two. IMO 'someone' must have made some some disparaging remarks beforehand about MH for AG to to say to him on the very first day of the investigation "what did you do to my sister?"

Regarding Lower River Road .. I'd really like to know many old disused, open wells are in this area. Some local knowledge would be helpful here. TIA




JMHO


"a conversation or two".........I'd be willing to bet on that.......
JMO

[dixinites]

I agree Brainstorm .. I don't know if HD spoke with AG/LG, before they they all arrived in Ocilla on the Monday afternoon, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they had a conversation or two. IMO 'someone' must have made some some disparaging remarks beforehand about MH for AG to to say to him on the very first day of the investigation "what did you do to my sister?"

Regarding Lower River Road .. I'd really like to know many old disused, open wells are in this area. Some local knowledge would be helpful here. TIA
JMHO

Considering the length of time it took AG to actually GO to Ocilla on Monday and the fact that HD had already called Tara's mother, I think it's a safe bet that he called AG Monday morning as well. He had ample time to "feed" her his reasons for being so concerned for Tara's safety all weekend and to tell her of his suspicions about MH being the threat. If LG had then told her of HIS emails from Tara (if they existed and would have only been an attempt for sympathy/attention IMO) about Tara being "afraid" of MH, then of course she would have came out of the shoot with accusations. This is my firm belief, tho JMO.

As for Lower River Road, and the info that HD dropped in on a friend he hadn't seen in years, that just SCREAMS at me. If he was just out driving around on a casual Sunday afternoon and stopped in because he had nothing better to do, that would be one thing. But he had been back and forth to Tara's house, calling her repeatedly and himself has said (according to AG) he was so terribly, awfully beside himself with concern for Tara's safety and well-being, I can't see him taking a "time out" from his worries to pop in for chit chat with an old friend.

I don't know how many "old home places" would be along this road, but I agree, local information would be VERY helpful. My knowledge of the River Roads in my area is that the older "fish camps" just have handpumps for water, and the updated ones, as well as homes that are located there, have modern water systems. And then of course there's the river itself, which the thought of that makes me want to cry...

[dixinites]

I would really, really, REALLLY like to know if this information regarding Lower River Road has been passed along to GBI. If they have been interested in HD as a POI, and I don't see how they could not, then this would be very telling, IMO.

I'm also curious as to approximately what part of LRR did Hd's friend live on...closer to Hawkinsville or closer to Hwy 280. Does anyone know or want to bother to find out?

I'd be on this like white-on-rice if I lived in the area and was interested in the case. JMO.

[odette]

I would really, really, REALLLY like to know if this information regarding Lower River Road has been passed along to GBI. If they have been interested in HD as a POI, and I don't see how they could not, then this would be very telling, IMO.

I'm also curious as to approximately what part of LRR did Hd's friend live on...closer to Hawkinsville or closer to Hwy 280. Does anyone know or want to bother to find out?

I'd be on this like white-on-rice if I lived in the area and was interested in the case. JMO.

I have no knowledge regarding which part of LRR the 'friend' lives on. All I was told was that the 'friend' lives on the river in Hawkinsville. Far from town. Going by that I would say that it would be closer to Hawkinsville that the 'friend' lives rather than closer to Hwy 280, although travelling to Hawkinsville from Ocilla via LRR, to get onto Lower River Road one would have to be on Hwy 280 at some point. LRR appears on the map to be many miles long .. does anyone know exactly how many, ie from the Hwy 280 end to H'ville?. TIA

JMHO

[Lizbeth]

I have no knowledge regarding which part of LRR the 'friend' lives on. All I was told was that the 'friend' lives on the river in Hawkinsville. Far from town. Going by that I would say that it would be closer to Hawkinsville that the 'friend' lives rather than closer to Hwy 280, although travelling to Hawkinsville from Ocilla via LRR, to get onto Lower River Road one would have to be on Hwy 280 at some point. LRR appears on the map to be many miles long .. does anyone know exactly how many, ie from the Hwy 280 end to H'ville?. TIA

JMHO

I am not at work today, been 'a bit under the weather'. All of my maps and mileage programs are there. I (hopefully) will be back at work tomorrow and can find this info. JUst taking a 'w.a.g.' now, -wilda**guess- it would be approx 20-30 miles. It has been a while since i have been on that road, but there used to be/are more houses towards the Hawkinsville end. I may do a little riding around this weekend, and may even take a few pics. Just to have something to do.

[odette]

I am not at work today, been 'a bit under the weather'. All of my maps and mileage programs are there. I (hopefully) will be back at work tomorrow and can find this info. JUst taking a 'w.a.g.' now, -wilda**guess- it would be approx 20-30 miles. It has been a while since i have been on that road, but there used to be/are more houses towards the Hawkinsville end. I may do a little riding around this weekend, and may even take a few pics. Just to have something to do.

Thank you for that Lizbeth ... Much appreciated :)

[mooloo]

One of the guys she dated long ago and for not very long said she was very quick to pitch a fit if she didn't get her way. Extremely emotional.

Exactly, cp! My thoughts, too. Usually something traumatic happens to someone in their youth that stunts the growth of their maturation. They tend to stay fixed in a time that they want to get back, to make better. You know what I mean?

[Brainstorm]

I am not at work today, been 'a bit under the weather'. All of my maps and mileage programs are there. I (hopefully) will be back at work tomorrow and can find this info. JUst taking a 'w.a.g.' now, -wilda**guess- it would be approx 20-30 miles. It has been a while since i have been on that road, but there used to be/are more houses towards the Hawkinsville end. I may do a little riding around this weekend, and may even take a few pics. Just to have something to do.
Just remember,THERES SAFETY IN NUMBERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know the area, I do too.but from what the board here seems to think we're talking --correct me if I'm wrong-- that we need to be closer to HAWKS
However-I DISAGREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember HD was/is no stranger to the area.He PROBABLY knew all the good parking spots.Not only was he a country boy(?) growing up in the area?
Add to that his knowledge/education etc. of all the latest in "cop props"
I mean no disrespect LE ----------I FULLY SUPPORT YOU-----------
Lizbeth, we'll talk otherwise,but we canmeet up with Timpa and go together.
JMHO

[concernedperson]

I agree with the safety in numbers. No one put yourself in a dangerous position in the event that what we have talked about over the last few days is relevent to the case. People are reading all the time...this is the only forum that stays in double digits yet not that many posters post.

[Brainstorm]

One of the guys she dated long ago and for not very long said she was very quick to pitch a fit if she didn't get her way. Extremely emotional.

That's interesting. I have never seen AG in person,only her famous shows
but she struck me the same way.I suppose it runs in the family.
JMHO

[dixinites]

I have no knowledge regarding which part of LRR the 'friend' lives on. All I was told was that the 'friend' lives on the river in Hawkinsville. Far from town. Going by that I would say that it would be closer to Hawkinsville that the 'friend' lives rather than closer to Hwy 280, although travelling to Hawkinsville from Ocilla via LRR, to get onto Lower River Road one would have to be on Hwy 280 at some point. LRR appears on the map to be many miles long .. does anyone know exactly how many, ie from the Hwy 280 end to H'ville?. TIA

JMHO

Thank you Odette for that info. I'm still thinking along the lines of an isolated "trysting spot" in the area. Maybe one they had visited before, in light of people starting to notice HD at Tara's house. They would both be familiar with the area and would be a "halfway" point between their homes, if they ever ran into time constraints and wanted to see each other. JMO.

Good luck to whoever is gonna ck it out...let us know what you find out.TIA.

[dixinites]

You know, this goes back to my thoughts about Tara being stuck in perpetual adolescence. These two people of whom we speak are adults, what the heck are they doing going to a "trysting spot"? It's bizarre, to say the least. OK, so if you're married a while or with someone a while it might be a nice change of pace, but to try to build a relationship, it's a little bit "teenagery" for me and I just can't see HD putting himself in a position where he might get caught in such a compromising position. Now, that would be embarassing. I think, however, this area would be a good place to dispose of any evidence of a crime. JMHO.

Yep, very adolescent, but in light of the fact someone has alluded to the possiblity that Tara wasn't the "first" fling, maybe he was starting to get a bit nervous, and when he started thinking with the wrong "head", this was the best he could come up with. (They would have to drive a "fer piece" to find a safe motel). In any event, this would be an excellent, place to dispose of someone, IMO.

[Brainstorm]

I'm guessing a "fer piece" is southern for a distance, right? Amazing how we English speaking Americans barely speak the same language, LOL. Anyhow, if HD is a serial adulterer, and it's looking like he might be, he may even have a place of his own out there on Lower River Road, IMO. Or, maybe someone in his family might own one of those "fishing/hunting" places. Is there anyway to find out? JMVHO.

if you are a yankee merrick, I won't hold it against you.So Ga seems to me to be a mixture of ebonics,english, and mostly countryJMHO

edited to add.........Yankees live anywhere but so ga.LOL no offense please......

[dixinites]

I'm guessing a "fer piece" is southern for a distance, right? Amazing how we English speaking Americans barely speak the same language, LOL. Anyhow, if HD is a serial adulterer, and it's looking like he might be, he may even have a place of his own out there on Lower River Road, IMO. Or, maybe someone in his family might own one of those "fishing/hunting" places. Is there anyway to find out? JMVHO.

I actually threw that in for your pleasure, Mer...LOL. I knew you'd comment, and yes, that means a long distance.

OT: I have a book on "How to Speak Southern" you might enjoy, it's really funny. My daughter went to college in NYC, and BOY did they have a field day with her dialect (her roommate was from England). The most picked on phrase was "fixin' to", which was hilarious when taunted back to her in a British accent. {I have always tried to speak "proper" English, especially in public, lol, but the one phrase I, try as I might, can not shake, is calling a shopping cart a "buggy".}

Back on track...the possibility of HD or a family member having property on the river would be a really good thing to look into. That would take some research, but that is something that could be found out, surely. Maybe my fevered and NyQuiled brain can think about that tomorrow, any help appreciated.

[sogalady]

I would really, really, REALLLY like to know if this information regarding Lower River Road has been passed along to GBI. If they have been interested in HD as a POI, and I don't see how they could not, then this would be very telling, IMO.

I'm also curious as to approximately what part of LRR did Hd's friend live on...closer to Hawkinsville or closer to Hwy 280. Does anyone know or want to bother to find out?

I'd be on this like white-on-rice if I lived in the area and was interested in the case. JMO.

Hey dixinities, Maybe I have missed something but when did we find out exactly who the friend is? I don't actually live in that area, but I live fairly close and IF I knew how to help it certainly wouldn't be a bother. I haven't posted very much lately, but I thought that I had read most , if not all, that had been posted and I haven't a clue who this friend is. Please forgive me if I have just read right over the obvious.

I like the "white-on-rice" saying, have been familiar with it all of my life but just haven't heard it lately ! LOL If you will point me in the right direction, I will be glad to do anything that I can to help, but as CP pointed out there is a lot to be considered here, so just tell me where to start other than going door to door and asking , "Do you have a friend by the name of....?" Maybe you can help those who are close enough to follow your suggestions.

Hope that you are feeling better soon ! :)

[One2Snoop]

I have no knowledge regarding which part of LRR the 'friend' lives on. All I was told was that the 'friend' lives on the river in Hawkinsville. Far from town. Going by that I would say that it would be closer to Hawkinsville that the 'friend' lives rather than closer to Hwy 280, although travelling to Hawkinsville from Ocilla via LRR, to get onto Lower River Road one would have to be on Hwy 280 at some point. LRR appears on the map to be many miles long .. does anyone know exactly how many, ie from the Hwy 280 end to H'ville?. TIA

JMHO

Hey dixinities, Maybe I have missed something but when did we find out exactly who the friend is?


Bumping Odette's post - Soglady - I believe Odette is the one who mentioned the friend HD made an unexpected visit to the same weekend Tara disappeared.

[mooloo]

Long ago on this board of another, seems someone was saying that TG was known to use a motel room in Hawkinsville for such rendevous. Does anyone remember that?

You know, this goes back to my thoughts about Tara being stuck in perpetual adolescence. These two people of whom we speak are adults, what the heck are they doing going to a "trysting spot"? It's bizarre, to say the least. OK, so if you're married a while or with someone a while it might be a nice change of pace, but to try to build a relationship, it's a little bit "teenagery" for me and I just can't see HD putting himself in a position where he might get caught in such a compromising position. Now, that would be embarassing. I think, however, this area would be a good place to dispose of any evidence of a crime. JMHO.

[sogalady]

Bumping Odette's post - Soglady - I believe Odette is the one who mentioned the friend HD made an unexpected visit to the same weekend Tara disappeared.

One2Snoop, thanks for your response, but I really just wanted to know if I had missed the part about "Who" the "friend" actually is. I have no idea how to go about finding out this person's name in order to determine their exact location (as in), is the friend closer to Hwy 280 or Hawkinsville? How might we determine that not knowing who the friend is?

Check your PMs for further explanation. Thanks again!:)

[fsbiii]

You can do a reverse-address search on whitepages.com using "Lower River Road," and it comes up with several names. None of them "rang a bell" to me, but that doesn't mean they won't ring someone else's. (I don't like dragging up names that have nothing to do with this case, so I vote to view it if you want but don't post any names here!) I hope this person talked to LE about the visit from HD. That would satisfy my online curiosity on this subject.

eta: That search service often doesn't hit every name on a road, either, and sometimes people have moved since the list was generated, FWIW.

[goldylocks]

Long ago on this board of another, seems someone was saying that TG was known to use a motel room in Hawkinsville for such rendevous. Does anyone remember that?

Mooloo i seem to remember a long while back on this board or another about what you are asking. It seems that someone said that Tara used other names in diff. towns. I hope that I'm remembering this correctly if not i stand to be corrected.

[Lizbeth]

Thank you Odette for that info. I'm still thinking along the lines of an isolated "trysting spot" in the area. Maybe one they had visited before, in light of people starting to notice HD at Tara's house. They would both be familiar with the area and would be a "halfway" point between their homes, if they ever ran into time constraints and wanted to see each other. JMO.

Good luck to whoever is gonna ck it out...let us know what you find out.TIA.


According to GA map, from Abbeville down hwy 280, turn left onto hwy 87 go 5 miles to hwy 230- then it is aprox 19 miles to Hwkville, with over half of this hwy being in Pulaski County. if anyone has "google earth", this is a very good to look at ANY address. I typed in 'lower river road hawkinsville ga' , from there you can follow the river as far as you want to.

[Brainstorm]

Hey dixinities, Maybe I have missed something but when did we find out exactly who the friend is? I don't actually live in that area, but I live fairly close and IF I knew how to help it certainly wouldn't be a bother. I haven't posted very much lately, but I thought that I had read most , if not all, that had been posted and I haven't a clue who this friend is. Please forgive me if I have just read right over the obvious.

I like the "white-on-rice" saying, have been familiar with it all of my life but just haven't heard it lately ! LOL If you will point me in the right direction, I will be glad to do anything that I can to help, but as CP pointed out there is a lot to be considered here, so just tell me where to start other than going door to door and asking , "Do you have a friend by the name of....?" Maybe you can help those who are close enough to follow your suggestions.

Hope that you are feeling better soon ! :)

ITA sogalady
Point us in the right direction.

[Brainstorm]

According to GA map, from Abbeville down hwy 280, turn left onto hwy 87 go 5 miles to hwy 230- then it is aprox 19 miles to Hwkville, with over half of this hwy being in Pulaski County. if anyone has "google earth", this is a very good to look at ANY address. I typed in 'lower river road hawkinsville ga' , from there you can follow the river as far as you want to.

I,like sogalady,thought all of you probably already knew the info about the friend,friends location,etc.
Is this,above-lizbeths' post,the correct area where his Friend lives?
Just asking

[dixinites]

You can do a reverse-address search on whitepages.com using "Lower River Road," and it comes up with several names. None of them "rang a bell" to me, but that doesn't mean they won't ring someone else's. (I don't like dragging up names that have nothing to do with this case, so I vote to view it if you want but don't post any names here!) I hope this person talked to LE about the visit from HD. That would satisfy my online curiosity on this subject.

eta: That search service often doesn't hit every name on a road, either, and sometimes people have moved since the list was generated, FWIW.


Odette shared the info with us regarding HD's friend, and that's really all I know of it. I trust her credibility and her judgement regarding sharing anything else she knows (and I'm not implying she does or does not know anything else). My guess is that others know of it as well. I just thought this information was very relevent and since we have so many locals reading on this board, the area could possibly be narrowed down in regard to where Tara might be found.

I totally agree with FSB that we should not be posting any names, and this type of search engine would be a good place for those who had a past association with HD to look for anything that might "ring a bell". If it does, then I hope this information is passed on to the GBI.

I have a tendency to perhaps get a little "over excited" when something clicks for me, and not much regarding the information in this case has. The information regarding HD being on LRR on Sunday really DID click, and it was my hope that the area in question might be narrowed down.

No one should be out on LRR "chasing wild geese" based on anything I've said, and I apologize for any confusion my zeal may have created. I just hope the information will jog some memories and perhaps lead to more scrutiny of this locale.

[Brainstorm]

I just don't understand wht HD,AG & company haven't come up with answers to these questions which would find and bring Tara home.
If AG was allowed to blaze into town with her antics,drama,etc. then what is wrong with shaking a finger in HER FACE ?
JMOO

[odette]

<snip> Back on track...the possibility of HD or a family member having property on the river would be a really good thing to look into. That would take some research, but that is something that could be found out, surely. Maybe my fevered and NyQuiled brain can think about that tomorrow, any help appreciated. <snip>

I think that is an avenue worth exploring as well dixi. Is it possible that HD may have had access to a hunting/fishing cabin in the Lower River Road area?. A place where he and Tara may have gone occasionally, to spend some time alone together?.

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Thank you Odette for that info. I'm still thinking along the lines of an isolated "trysting spot" in the area. Maybe one they had visited before, in light of people starting to notice HD at Tara's house. They would both be familiar with the area and would be a "halfway" point between their homes, if they ever ran into time constraints and wanted to see each other. JMO.

Good luck to whoever is gonna ck it out...let us know what you find out.TIA.


isolated trysting spots
both familiar with the area
halfway point between homes

BOOTY CALL GONE BAD
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

One2Snoop, thanks for your response, but I really just wanted to know if I had missed the part about "Who" the "friend" actually is. I have no idea how to go about finding out this person's name in order to determine their exact location (as in), is the friend closer to Hwy 280 or Hawkinsville? How might we determine that not knowing who the friend is?

Check your PMs for further explanation. Thanks again!:)

OK, guess I missed the part about you wanting to know the actual name - my only excuse for missing that is it was late last night when I responded! :seeya:

[odette]

According to GA map, from Abbeville down hwy 280, turn left onto hwy 87 go 5 miles to hwy 230- then it is aprox 19 miles to Hwkville, with over half of this hwy being in Pulaski County. if anyone has "google earth", this is a very good to look at ANY address. I typed in 'lower river road hawkinsville ga' , from there you can follow the river as far as you want to.

Many thank's for your help Lizbeth .. much appreciated.

This link also shows the area very well .. just type in Hawkinsville, GA and pan down towards Ocilla. Click on Hybrid (top right of screen) to get an idea of how rural it really is on Hwy 230/Lower River Road.

http://maps.google.com/

JMHO

[dixinites]

I think that is an avenue worth exploring as well dixi. Is it possible that HD may have had access to a hunting/fishing cabin in the Lower River Road area?. A place where he and Tara may have gone occasionally, to spend some time alone together?. JMHO

I'm thinking that would be a very interesting possibility, again, I'm sure there are local people who know of this, if it's true, and ways of finding out for those of us who don't know. My thinking would be a meeting place in the area and a disposal area not on the same property, but nearby. JMO.

[odette]

<snip> Maybe I have missed something but when did we find out exactly who the friend is? <snip>


The name of the friend is NOT known by me. There may be others who know but I do not, nor do I know the actual address of the friend.

Just to clarify/recap .. I was told by someone, that HD showed up at the home of an old friend whom he had not seen in years on the Sunday afternoon of the weekend that Tara was last seen. This friend, I was told, lives 'on the river' Hawkinsville, far from town. It was Lower River Road/Hwy 230.

The 'old friend', who had not see HD for years, thought that it was 'strange' of him to show up unexpected like he did and that it could not have possibly have been a case of "I was just in the neighborhood" and that HD did not have his family with him. It was early Sunday afternoon.

The person who relayed this information to me is someone whom I deem to be very credible and FWIW does NOT consider HD a POI.

I am NOT stating this as fact because I was only told this, however I have no reason not to believe the person who told me.

JMHO

[dixinites]

IIRC, HD's first name is James. Just thought this was interesting.
it should be pretty self explanatory if you read it all, but if you miss it, check out the very bottom line.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:ibcjPbHpgaMJ:www.garivers.org/events/pg07.html+****s+in+hawkinsville&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

Thnx Kath, for bringing this out, I think there would be a very good possibility of them being related ...grandfather, uncle/gr uncle, etc. If a park on the river was named in his behalf, then it is most likely this "James D***s" donated the land for the park and the family would possibly still own property adjacent to it.

Credit, where credit's due, this info is very helpful regarding what I was looking for. TY.

[Brainstorm]

Thnx Kath, for bringing this out, I think there would be a very good possibility of them being related ...grandfather, uncle/gr uncle, etc. If a park on the river was named in his behalf, then it is most likely this "James D***s" donated the land for the park and the family would possibly still own property adjacent to it.

Credit, where credit's due, this info is very helpful regarding what I was looking for. TY.

KEEP on digging,dixi, keep on digging.
This can and will be solved, IMHO

[dixinites]

Well, I looked at the maps and James D***s Memorial Park is northeast of Hawkinsville and associated more with Cochran, GA. As a crow flies (or a fish swims) about 14 miles on the Ocmulgee River. This only tells me that the park is not really in direct connection with LRRd. You could do some zig-zagging to hook up with Upper River Rd, but my objective was to establish a connection to "D" family land in the LRR area. This doesn't mean there's not family land on LRR...just, back to square one, a place I'm very familiar with.

[Results]

The name of the friend is NOT known by me. There may be others who know but I do not, nor do I know the actual address of the friend.

Just to clarify/recap .. I was told by someone, that HD showed up at the home of an old friend whom he had not seen in years on the Sunday afternoon of the weekend that Tara was last seen. This friend, I was told, lives 'on the river' Hawkinsville, far from town. It was Lower River Road/Hwy 230.

The 'old friend', who had not see HD for years, thought that it was 'strange' of him to show up unexpected like he did and that it could not have possibly have been a case of "I was just in the neighborhood" and that HD did not have his family with him. It was early Sunday afternoon.

The person who relayed this information to me is someone whom I deem to be very credible and FWIW does NOT consider HD a POI.

I am NOT stating this as fact because I was only told this, however I have no reason not to believe the person who told me.

JMHO

Excellent post! I also have talked to several people now that knows HD and they also don't consider him a POI. It is very hard for them to believe that HD had anything to do with Tara's disapperance. They say that they have never witnessed HD bullying anyone and that he is very outgoing and friendly. They can't comprehend that HD would harm anyone. They say he comes from a very respected and christian family. This is an example of how it doesn't matter where you come from but what you chose to make of your life. There are several things that bother me and keep nagging at me about HD. One is the game Saturday night that Tara went missing...I don't know if HD or Tara was into football big or not but anyone that loves football doesn't talk on the phone during the game just to chit chat or say hi of course this is my experience from being a football fan. So, IMO, it appears that they were not interested in the game and more then likely making plans for later that night. At what point something went wrong I don't know but I believe that he did go see Tara Saturday night as planned. I also was told that MH and SF rode alot on Saturday nights when MH came home. I thought about this too and think Tara was trying to win MH back and did not want MH to see HD's vehicle near her house which if this was indeed MH's habit he would be riding around with SF and she surely didn't want MH to see HD's vehicle so she probably planned for HD to pick her up at her house and she ran and got in his car which would be why there was no scent past the driveway (I'm thinking he pulled up along side her driveway to pick her up and she got in HD's car at the end of the driveway). Her scent stopped at the end of her driveway. What happened next I don't think anybody knows. HD goes to see his friend clearly IMO shows that Tara was in no danger. Why make so many trips to Ocilla that Sunday? There must be a reason why he would do this plus all the calls he made. Why is he calling that many times when he is at her house so much on Sunday? That doesn't make sense. His actions just don't add up that weekend Tara went missing. I believe he knows where Tara is. JMHO

[RCM-715]

HD may be outgoing and friendly, but IMO he knows SOMETHING re: TG's disappearance. He just can't be trusted. I understand they had talked many times that night. I feel TG left to go home after the dinner at the Davis' knowing HD would arrive at her home later. If she met HD down the street rather than in front of her house then her dog Dolly may have barked at her for the reason of wanting to go with her. What happened after this........... only he knows. This is JMO.

[Results]

HD may be outgoing and friendly, but IMO he knows SOMETHING re: TG's disappearance. He just can't be trusted. I understand they had talked many times that night. I feel TG left to go home after the dinner at the Davis' knowing HD would arrive at her home later. If she met HD down the street rather than in front of her house then her dog Dolly may have barked at her for the reason of wanting to go with her. What happened after this........... only he knows. This is JMO.

ITA. JDA that processed the car had a K-9 and his dog did not pick up Tara's scent past the driveway which lead me to believe HD pulled over by the driveway which would explain her scent ending at the driveway. I firmly believe that HD knows too! How many times do we here someone say I can't believe he/she did that. Never in a million years would I have thought they were capable of something like that, etc. Well that is a well hidden secret that they talked many times that night but so was the cellphone call to FG from Tara's yard. Alot of secrets going on in that group! JMHO :patriot:

[odette]

ITA. JDA that processed the car had a K-9 and his dog did not pick up Tara's scent past the driveway which lead me to believe HD pulled over by the driveway which would explain her scent ending at the driveway. I firmly believe that HD knows too! How many times do we here someone say I can't believe he/she did that. Never in a million years would I have thought they were capable of something like that, etc. Well that is a well hidden secret that they talked many times that night but so was the cellphone call to FG from Tara's yard. Alot of secrets going on in that group! JMHO :patriot:

Yes, a whole lot of secrets and it's high time that all of these secrets were exposed to the cold hard light of day .. I have always thought that it was HD who was making a large percentage of those calls to Tara while she was at the BBQ. I also believe that HD did meet with Tara after she came home from the BBQ. IMO

JMHO

[mooloo]

RR was NOT her b/f, nor was he ONE of her b/f's when she disappeared. He was never serious about her. Discovered that she was too high maintenance and demanding. IIRC, his alibi was established and verified quickly after TG was discovered gone.


i do think it's probable that hd did go to tg's that sat. night and maybe some sort of jealous 'thing' happened? like somebody got pi**ed that another guy was there? could that be? and
Where was RR on this night? was his alibi ever established by anyone on the board?
(he was considered to be tara's boyfriend when she disappeared right? he was a math teacher and a coach at the same school she worked at. i recall reading that he was supposedly ready to cool it with her b/c she seemed to still be so hung up on MH. but did he even KNOW about her having some sort of relationship with HD? could he have found out that night? just wondering cause i don't recall seeing his alibi or seeing where he was given up on as a poi?

RR did not have a black truck at that time, I am not sure what he is driving now.

I seriously doubt he is involved in any of this.

was he the one she was seen speaking to in front of a house (on the 'curb') BEFORE she got to the BBQ? and didn't he move out of state? to J'ville FL, i was told? did he happen to drive the black truck seen in her yard so frequently?? i know mh has a black tk at one time, but what about rr?

[Brainstorm]

i do think it's probable that hd did go to tg's that sat. night and maybe some sort of jealous 'thing' happened? like somebody got pi**ed that another guy was there? could that be? and
Where was RR on this night? was his alibi ever established by anyone on the board?
(he was considered to be tara's boyfriend when she disappeared right? he was a math teacher and a coach at the same school she worked at. i recall reading that he was supposedly ready to cool it with her b/c she seemed to still be so hung up on MH. but did he even KNOW about her having some sort of relationship with HD? could he have found out that night? just wondering cause i don't recall seeing his alibi or seeing where he was given up on as a poi?

was he the one she was seen speaking to in front of a house (on the 'curb') BEFORE she got to the BBQ? and didn't he move out of state? to J'ville FL, i was told? did he happen to drive the black truck seen in her yard so frequently?? i know mh has a black tk at one time, but what about rr?




OH MY GOD !!!!!!!
Here we go again, those damn wild geese chases !!!!!!!!!!
Enough already !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mooloo]

I heard that.

(passing the Chill Pills to Brainy):cool: :cool: :cool:

OH MY GOD !!!!!!!
Here we go again, those damn wild geese chases !!!!!!!!!!
Enough already !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brainstorm]

Excellent post! I also have talked to several people now that knows HD and they also don't consider him a POI. It is very hard for them to believe that HD had anything to do with Tara's disapperance. They say that they have never witnessed HD bullying anyone and that he is very outgoing and friendly. They can't comprehend that HD would harm anyone. They say he comes from a very respected and christian family. This is an example of how it doesn't matter where you come from but what you chose to make of your life. There are several things that bother me and keep nagging at me about HD. One is the game Saturday night that Tara went missing...I don't know if HD or Tara was into football big or not but anyone that loves football doesn't talk on the phone during the game just to chit chat or say hi of course this is my experience from being a football fan. So, IMO, it appears that they were not interested in the game and more then likely making plans for later that night. At what point something went wrong I don't know but I believe that he did go see Tara Saturday night as planned. I also was told that MH and SF rode alot on Saturday nights when MH came home. I thought about this too and think Tara was trying to win MH back and did not want MH to see HD's vehicle near her house which if this was indeed MH's habit he would be riding around with SF and she surely didn't want MH to see HD's vehicle so she probably planned for HD to pick her up at her house and she ran and got in his car which would be why there was no scent past the driveway (I'm thinking he pulled up along side her driveway to pick her up and she got in HD's car at the end of the driveway). Her scent stopped at the end of her driveway. What happened next I don't think anybody knows. HD goes to see his friend clearly IMO shows that Tara was in no danger. Why make so many trips to Ocilla that Sunday? There must be a reason why he would do this plus all the calls he made. Why is he calling that many times when he is at her house so much on Sunday? That doesn't make sense. His actions just don't add up that weekend Tara went missing. I believe he knows where Tara is. JMHO


Hiding behind a well respected and Christian family.........

oh my, I don't even know where to start,I'm going to read this again,Results,because you have made so many,many valuable points here.
THis right here IMO sums it up. HD IMO, and hiding behind all of the above,Is a cold blooded killer and if he isn't then he damn sure needs to be proving otherwise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AG needs to spill her guts too.
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I heard that.

(passing the Chill Pills to Brainy):cool: :cool: :cool:

SORRY MOO< the chill pills didn't materialize thru this screen in time,I guess its too late now. DO you really think we should all take one ?

[mooloo]

No, I was just kidding you. I do think all the newcomers should read from the beginning and then they would know all the basics that have been established. I know not much is actual fact, but there is a little...and many other things have been kicked around enough to give someone a clue.

SORRY MOO< the chill pills didn't materialize thru this screen in time,I guess its too late now. DO you really think we should all take one ?

[Brainstorm]

hell, I've read it so many times that it just seems to jump out at me that HD, AG &company have all the answers.
JMHO

[Its just me]

Thank you. I thought that since the name was the same, perhaps it was something in the family?? and if so, it may indicate more intimate knowledge that HD could have with the river? or a family owned dwelling somewhere round there? i don't know.




Dixi, sorry this wasn't helpful to you. i tried.
i do hope you keep working to see if you can find something.
if something fits, well then it fits and it doesn't matter what others say.


merrick, HD's first name is not H as you thought.

It's J.

did you find that info yet? or is that why you lashed out at me?
you wanted so badly for me to be wrong didn't you.
oh well, i very well could be, so
prove me wrong or accept that you were wrong, but don't call me a jerk after you basically told me to skip along with my family on a picnic.:rolleyes:

fyi: if i'm wrong then i'll be a monkey's uncle. but i'll admit i was wrong and say i am so sorry just before i get my nephew a banana.
:lol:


Hi Kath, Have you ever met HD. Do you know the area around Perry..Warner Robins, Georgia. TIA IJM

[One2Snoop]

I could not find a James Heath ****s or a J Heath ****s or a JH ****s that resides in Perry Georgia. I did find Heath ****s -according to Zabasearch.com. Please check it out and double check to make sure I didn't miss it. TIA

[RCM-715]

RR was NOT her b/f, nor was he ONE of her b/f's when she disappeared. He was never serious about her. Discovered that she was too high maintenance and demanding. IIRC, his alibi was established and verified quickly after TG was discovered gone.

I agree with you mooloo. I understand too that RR wasn't serious about her. I hear she was very HIGH maintenance! MH knows RR and speaks highly of him. I don't think he had anything to do with her disappearance.

[Lindsey]

I could not find a James Heath ****s or a J Heath ****s or a JH ****s that resides in Perry Georgia. I did find Heath ****s -according to Zabasearch.com. Please check it out and double check to make sure I didn't miss it. TIA


His name is James Heath ****s and he does reside in Perry, GA. Trust me.

[One2Snoop]

His name is James Heath ****s and he does reside in Perry, GA. Trust me.

OK :seeya:

[dixinites]

OK :seeya:

Short, sweet and to the point...gotta love it! I wonder why HD
"disconnected" his FBI email link? Considering some of the wackiness we've seen on this forum, can you imagine what a snake pit THAT would have been!

[Brainstorm]

For real-about the email link? You would think that would be his connection to finding Tara ????????? unless he knows something......
JMHO

[mooloo]

He may have studied at the OJ School of Finding The Killer.

For real-about the email link? You would think that would be his connection to finding Tara ????????? unless he knows something......
JMHO

[dixinites]

He may have studied at the OJ School of Finding The Killer.

Or the OJ School of BEING one...

I looove the avatar, Moo. Fu-neee.

[mooloo]

Thank you, I worked hard finding this little creature....

Or the OJ School of BEING one...

I looove the avatar, Moo. Fu-neee.

[concernedperson]

?????????????

Hey Harriet, how are you doing? Is the weather up there cold? Bundle up as it could get rocky.

[odette]

HD may be outgoing and friendly, but IMO he knows SOMETHING re: TG's disappearance. He just can't be trusted. I understand they had talked many times that night. I feel TG left to go home after the dinner at the Davis' knowing HD would arrive at her home later. If she met HD down the street rather than in front of her house then her dog Dolly may have barked at her for the reason of wanting to go with her. What happened after this........... only he knows. This is JMO.

Tara must have received many phone calls whilst she was at the BBQ on the Saturday night. It was reported that guests noticed that Tara's cell phone kept ringing during the evening.

I posted earlier that I believe that HD made a large percentage of those phone calls which Tara received while she was at the BBQ IMO. We know that the last call to Tara on her cellphone at the BBQ that night was from HD at 10:20 pm.

A few questions I have often asked are, why was HD phoning Tara so late on a Saturday night?. Had Tara told him that she no longer wanted to continue their relationship?. Was HD insisting on seeing Tara that night?.

I have in my notes, a very early article written by Steve Huff, where it was mentioned that Tara was known to have been seeing someone and it was rumored that that Tara may actually have made some sort of change in her relationship with that person the same weekend she disappeared.

Steve Huff

A source who lives in the region informed me that due to the primarily small-town nature of the communities in that area, a good deal of talk is already circulating about the real circumstances behind Tara’s disappearance. She was known to have been seeing someone, but it is not clear how serious the relationship was. One rumor — and I stress, as my source did, that it is only a rumor — is that Tara Grinstead may actually have made some sort of change in her relationship with that person the same weekend she disappeared.

http://tinyurl.com/2cvo47

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

?????????????

Clarifying my post for sugarstraw...........

I had read a great post by Resulrs IIRC.......so I began listing all the points I wanted to address, but then decided, oh well, where do I begin?????????

Simple as that,nothing more
JMHO

[dixinites]

Tara must have received many phone calls whilst she was at the BBQ on the Saturday night. It was reported that guests noticed that Tara's cell phone kept ringing during the evening.

I posted earlier that I believe that HD made a large percentage of those phone calls which Tara received while she was at the BBQ IMO. We know that the last call to Tara on her cellphone at the BBQ that night was from HD at 10:20 pm.

A few questions I have often asked are, why was HD phoning Tara so late on a Saturday night?. Had Tara told him that she no longer wanted to continue their relationship?. Was HD insisting on seeing Tara that night?.

I have in my notes, a very early article written by Steve Huff, where it was mentioned that Tara was known to have been seeing someone and it was rumored that that Tara may actually have made some sort of change in her relationship with that person the same weekend she disappeared.
JMHO

I was wondering along those lines myself. It's pretty obvious why they couldn't attend the pageant together, but then she went to the BBQ. I was thinking, if she was seeing someone, why not meet right after the pageant, unless he had to work or something. But she and HD were "watching games" at two different places. If the game he was watching was an alibi for the wife, he could have "hit and run" at the friends house after the pageant was over and then met Tara immediately after...if she wanted him to. I had also thought he might have actually wanted to hang out with his friends, and she wasn't happy about that.

Thnx for the S.Huff snip.

[dixinites]

Thank you, I worked hard finding this little creature....

Actually, they should adopt that for the CL message board logo...

[Brainstorm]

Lindsey, thank you for helping CONFIRM what I already told them a few posts ago. I was called a jerk and told to double check my info, as if I needed to do that.;) I just don't understand why people think that when they can't "find" something, then it must not be true. Thanks again Lindsey for backing me up.

"when they can't "find"something,then it must not be true."

HD is probably hoping we can't FIND TARA,so therefore its not true that he is a killer.
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Lindsey, thank you for helping CONFIRM what I already told them a few posts ago. I was called a jerk and told to double check my info, as if I needed to do that.;) I just don't understand why people think that when they can't "find" something, then it must not be true. Thanks again Lindsey for backing me up.


Excuse you - I've never called you a jerk and furthermore can you tell me where in my post where I said just because I couldn't find something then it must not be true? :shrug: Geee I think I even asked someone to double check it. :confused:

Thanks Lindsey for clarifying J. Heath ****s name.


#3185 Yesterday, 10:47 AM
One2Snoop
Member Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 285

I could not find a James Heath ****s or a J Heath ****s or a JH ****s that resides in Perry Georgia. I did find Heath ****s -according to Zabasearch.com. Please check it out and double check to make sure I didn't miss it. TIA

[dixinites]

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:9A0Ykwa4IXcJ:home.stny.rr.com/fbina/newpage2.htm+James+Heath+****s&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=25

You sure don't look before you leap do you.

click on the link.
scroll down to where you see his name on the list.
CLICK ON IT, like you are going to send him mail.
You will see his email address shows JHD, with the intial of J. in first place, then Heath, then last name. This IS the HD we are speaking of, clearly, so now................you tell me what that J. stands for??? you are so rude.

I believe Merrick was answering YOUR question regarding the "J" in HD's name, not yours...
but if the shoe fits...

So who's doin' the leapin' here??? Have a banana...JMO.

[concernedperson]

PLEASE, quit making this about posters personalities and get back on track. We had to deal with months of AG apologists and suckers (I include myself) and it is tiresome.

We had some good discussions for awhile where it looked like there may be a new place to search or something that needed to be addressed.

Let's get back to that point. Let's look at the aberrations and either engage LE or put them to bed.

Who is missing? Not me, not Merrick, not RML, not Fsbiii, not IJM, not cbcrime, not dixinites, not brainstorm, not Lindsey, not Odette,not TD, not 12snoop, not others who have been here for awhile. Tara Grinstead is missing and not heard from in 15 months. Focus, focus, focus!

[dixinites]

Dixi, How am I leaping? what does your post mean?

First, you "leaped" at the wrong person, which you cleared up.

But if you'll look a little further back, Post#3147, you asked what the letter "J" stood for in HD's name, to which Merrick responded "J=jerk". I don't see any "J" in "Kathmandu", but...you "leaped" to that conclusion. JMO.

Sorry, if you wanted to handle this yourself, Merrick, I couldn't stop myself.

[fsbiii]

*yawn*
*stretch*

[dixinites]

:lol:
I knew all this was chappin' you.
Me too for that matter.

No, you are what's chappin' everybody here...You are annoying, plain and simple. You and your rambling, out-of-breath, incoherent posts. You were right about the James, big deal, we got it. I was pointing out that Merrick did NOT call you a jerk, which she did not. Period.

I'm sure you will have the final say on this, since you seem to lack the ability to shut up, but you can add me to the list of people who will not interact with you ever. Over and out, and I do mean OVER.

[HonestInjun]

Heavens to Betsy - who left the door open at the asylum????

Can someone round'em all up and get them back on medications - like now?

Oh dear, what can the matter be!! I'm gonna be sick!!

[dixinites]

SNIP>Can someone round'em all up and get them back on medications - like now?

Well, sign me up for a BIG ole bottle of Chill Pills - like now!

[concernedperson]

Well, sign me up for a BIG ole bottle of Chill Pills - like now!

Not a good thing when Honest Injun shows up! JMO>

[dixinites]

PLEASE, quit making this about posters personalities and get back on track. We had to deal with months of AG apologists and suckers (I include myself) and it is tiresome.

We had some good discussions for awhile where it looked like there may be a new place to search or something that needed to be addressed.

Let's get back to that point. Let's look at the aberrations and either engage LE or put them to bed.

Who is missing? Not me, not Merrick, not RML, not Fsbiii, not IJM, not cbcrime, not dixinites, not brainstorm, not Lindsey, not Odette,not TD, not 12snoop, not others who have been here for awhile. Tara Grinstead is missing and not heard from in 15 months. Focus, focus, focus!

I agree, CP, I didn't see your post before my "vent"...grrrr. Sorry.

[Brainstorm]

PLEASE, quit making this about posters personalities and get back on track. We had to deal with months of AG apologists and suckers (I include myself) and it is tiresome.

We had some good discussions for awhile where it looked like there may be a new place to search or something that needed to be addressed.

Let's get back to that point. Let's look at the aberrations and either engage LE or put them to bed.

Who is missing? Not me, not Merrick, not RML, not Fsbiii, not IJM, not cbcrime, not dixinites, not brainstorm, not Lindsey, not Odette,not TD, not 12snoop, not others who have been here for awhile. Tara Grinstead is missing and not heard from in 15 months. Focus, focus, focus!


kath, I wish you had read this post BEFORE you posted, but looks like you were probably right in the middle of something else when it was posted.............
JMHO

[lighthousedazy]

This is a message board that is open to the public to discuss the case of missing person. I care about what people think about THIS CASE, not about how they feel about me or anybody else.

I have a genuine interest in seeing this case solved, as do many others here.

Tara was a teacher in a high school and also worked at the middle school,so maybe some of those students post here? Some things are only logically explained by the immaturity of that age group.

If you were her student, I'm sorry for the trauma of having to deal with such a concept that no child should have to deal with. I hope you are coping with this the best way you can, but please, if you are here to argue with those who don't believe what you believe,or what you've heard from your parents, please understand that others are concerned too and those concerned people want the chance to explore all kinds of possibilities. It may help in some way and if it can, we just want the chance to have just the right person see it who may be able to do something with it.

We respect your feelings and we ask that you respect ours. Remember that local law enforcement and other law enforcement reads here. This is a very serious, very real situation. Thank you for caring enough to be here.
Amen:rose:

[mooloo]

I haven't seen any posts from anyone who writes like a student. And, quite frankly, from what others tell me and the little that I observe myself, the students have long since moved on...kids are like that. They get all wrapped up in something for a while, then just as quickly forget it and move on to the next "crisis" in their lives. I don't think any of them are suffering now...they have moved on. Sure, they remember her fondly, but they are not agonizing over her disappearance/death.

Stand to be corrected, of course, and I somehow think I probably will be.

This is a message board that is open to the public to discuss the case of missing person. I care about what people think about THIS CASE, not about how they feel about me or anybody else.

I have a genuine interest in seeing this case solved, as do many others here.

Tara was a teacher in a high school and also worked at the middle school,so maybe some of those students post here? Some things are only logically explained by the immaturity of that age group.

If you were her student, I'm sorry for the trauma of having to deal with such a concept that no child should have to deal with. I hope you are coping with this the best way you can, but please, if you are here to argue with those who don't believe what you believe,or what you've heard from your parents, please understand that others are concerned too and those concerned people want the chance to explore all kinds of possibilities. It may help in some way and if it can, we just want the chance to have just the right person see it who may be able to do something with it.

We respect your feelings and we ask that you respect ours. Remember that local law enforcement and other law enforcement reads here. This is a very serious, very real situation. Thank you for caring enough to be here.

[Brainstorm]

I haven't seen any posts from anyone who writes like a student. And, quite frankly, from what others tell me and the little that I observe myself, the students have long since moved on...kids are like that. They get all wrapped up in something for a while, then just as quickly forget it and move on to the next "crisis" in their lives. I don't think any of them are suffering now...they have moved on. Sure, they remember her fondly, but they are not agonizing over her disappearance/death.

Stand to be corrected, of course, and I somehow think I probably will be.

ITA moo, and looking back over yesterdays' post ,it seems it was only about Kath yesterday and her SOP.
JMHO

[shelock]

ITA. JDA that processed the car had a K-9 and his dog did not pick up Tara's scent past the driveway which lead me to believe HD pulled over by the driveway which would explain her scent ending at the driveway. I firmly believe that HD knows too! How many times do we here someone say I can't believe he/she did that. Never in a million years would I have thought they were capable of something like that, etc. Well that is a well hidden secret that they talked many times that night but so was the cellphone call to FG from Tara's yard. Alot of secrets going on in that group! JMHO :patriot:

IIRC didn't Mr. & Mrs. P rake Tara's yard shortly after her disappearance? Does anyone know/remember if it was before or after the K-9/dog visit? That info was apparently flushed or I found it elsewhere. TIA.

[Brainstorm]

The K-9 losing Tara's scent at the end of the driveway has always bothered me. I just don't understand how that can be. Didn't Tara do yardwork that would have included her entire property, didn't she take the dog for a walk or walk next door to the Ps? It just seems odd for someone to live in a home for as long as Tara did and not explore beyond the driveway. IMO, I don't think the K-9 unit was properly trained or that they just did a half witted job of it. JMHO.

I took it as simple as TARA LEFT IN SOMEONE ELSEs vehicle,that night,
JMHO

[concernedperson]

That's certainly what the conclusions of the K-9 investigation would have one believe. But, human scent, especially around one's home, lasts longer than a few days, IMO. I just find it hard to believe that they didn't pick up more. JMHO. I think everyone was so focused on what was there that they didn't look for what wasn't evident. JMHO.

The way I understand it is that the dogs pick up the freshest scent. Of course since it was her home her scent would be everywhere so the dogs are trained for the freshest, most recent scent.

The fact that it ended at the driveway indicates she left in a vehicle or was beamed up by UFO's. If she had been on foot then it would have scent trail along the route. Some really good trailing dogs can follow a scent in a vehicle but those dogs are few and far between.

[dixinites]

Was Tara's mailbox at the end of her driveway?

[dixinites]

Answering my own question, yes it was (from photos)...maybe the dogs picked up her scent there from her checking her mail.

[One2Snoop]

This was posted by "volunteer" under "Dogs and Psychics" - it looks as tho sh/he is no longer a member - but does anyone remember if this was true?

I wanted to start a discussion about the dogs involved in this investigation. When I went to Tara's home, they told me that even bloodhounds could get absolutely NO SCENT in her yard of her. Even if people had been in, bloodhounds can pick up a scent after the scene is disturbed.

I also took my dog with me to search. He is not trained to scent find. He is trained to dig where I point and to search through pipes, piles of brush, sniff under houses, etc. He alerts me if there is anything unusual or that bothers him. We went all over that neighborhood and he never even flinched.

There were dogs there from all over--scent dogs, cadaver dogs, SAR dogs. Highly trained and they found NOTHING.

Isn't this all bizarre?

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=255784

[One2Snoop]

I remember reading about "the scent followed to the end of the driveway" and the "hits at the burned out house", but I don't remember ever reading the above post from "volunteer" - thats why I wondered if there was any truth to it.

You know we hear/read so many different things its hard to keep it all straight - thanks to those of you who are really good at keeping notes. :rose:

[PNut]

And wasn't there some reason about the burnt house hit, that involved a baby's discarded diaper? It had urine on it, so that was what drew the dogs to it or some such? Can't remember the details....

[Lindsey]

IIRC, the dogs initially brought in lost Tara's scent at the end of her driveway. I do recall that there were some "hits" at the burned house and at a pond. These were supposedly due to some ammonia like substance similiar to the chemical decomposition of a human body. JMHO and stand to be corrected.

First of all let me state I do not have any confidence in dogs. I've seen them fail too many times. However, in response to this post, the scent in Tara's driveway was by a scent dog ... looking specifically for Tara. I've always wondered who "scented" the dogs and what they used. Wouldn't it be ironic to find someone had used a newly purchased article of clothing that Tara had never wore?

The alleged hits at the burned house and pond were by cadaver dogs, which could only find dead bodies and would have no way of distinguishing one person from another.

(That's not to say I think there are dead bodies all over Irwin County.)

[Lindsey]

I remember reading about "the scent followed to the end of the driveway" and the "hits at the burned out house", but I don't remember ever reading the above post from "volunteer" - thats why I wondered if there was any truth to it.

You know we hear/read so many different things its hard to keep it all straight - thanks to those of you who are really good at keeping notes. :rose:

I had not seen that particular post either but I do remember the poster, volunteer.

[dixinites]

Hi, Lindsey,

IIRC, Tara had girls over her house during the day while she helped them prepare for the pageant. They were changing clothes and, IIRC, borrowing items of Tara's. Good question about who scented the dogs and an even better observation of the irony of it all. Wouldn't it be ironic if they scented the dogs with an item of clothing left by one of the girls? That could explain the scent going dry at the driveway if the girl hopped in a car to be taken to Fitzgerald and the pageant. :shrug: JMHO.

Well the logical choice would have been the clothes she was last seen wearing, but "logical" in this case has very elusive, IMO.

[Its just me]

Dixie,

You are correct. There was very little in the way of logic employed at the scene. IIRC, the clothes Tara was last seen in weren't immediately identified. Who knows what happened when the K-9 unit was brought in. Who knows what they used to "scent on Tara". I honestly don't think too many people thought this was a serious case, but, sometimes I think those same people realized just how serious Tara's disappearance was. There has been so much speculation and misinformation that it makes the average person believe this case will never be solved unless there is an absolute stroke of luck. Luck, in this case, is elusive. JMHO.

IIRC, the clothes Tara was last seen in weren't immediately identified.

Merrick I'm not questing that Tara's clothes were not immediately id'd but they should have been after talking to ME. ME posted she was about to speak with the gbi in her first post about Tara being missing and ME was at the pageant and spoke to Tara on the phone while she was at the BBQ. Only a question to ME could have answered this and if ME did not remember the Davis's could have. Make's no sense for the gbi not to be able to id the clothes before they left Ocilla early Tuesday morning.

[concernedperson]

IIRC, the clothes Tara was last seen in weren't immediately identified.

Merrick I'm not questing that Tara's clothes were not immediately id'd but they should have been after talking to ME. ME posted she was about to speak with the gbi in her first post about Tara being missing and ME was at the pageant and spoke to Tara on the phone while she was at the BBQ. Only a question to ME could have answered this and if ME did not remember the Davis's could have. Make's no sense for the gbi not to be able to id the clothes before they left Ocilla early Tuesday morning.


I agree with you. I think the clothes were identified almost immediately. Too many people had seen Tara the Saturday night and no one spoke with her on Sunday. Plus, there was a pic of her at the Davis' house with the clothes she wore.

There are many questions about this case but the clothes she was last seen in are not in question. Now, the clothes she wore when she was abducted is another question.

[One2Snoop]

Here's that picture (of Tara) again...

http://i18.tinypic.com/2a9y9ft.jpg

[Its just me]

IIRC, the clothes Tara was last seen in weren't immediately identified.

Merrick I'm not questing that Tara's clothes were not immediately id'd but they should have been after talking to ME. ME posted she was about to speak with the gbi in her first post about Tara being missing and ME was at the pageant and spoke to Tara on the phone while she was at the BBQ. Only a question to ME could have answered this and if ME did not remember the Davis's could have. Make's no sense for the gbi not to be able to id the clothes before they left Ocilla early Tuesday morning.

Merrick I hope you dont take this as me making a jab at what you posted. My main purpose of replying is if the gbi did not know what Tara was wearing Sat. night after talking to ME....shame on the gbi. :)

[rhill]

Here's that picture (of Tara) again...

http://i18.tinypic.com/2a9y9ft.jpg

IIRC correctly... wasn't that picture from the pageant instead of the Davis' house?

[Lindsey]

IIRC correctly... wasn't that picture from the pageant instead of the Davis' house?

Yes, you are recalling correctly, it was from the pageant.

[One2Snoop]

IIRC correctly... wasn't that picture from the pageant instead of the Davis' house?

As Lindsey said - yes that was taken at the pagent - the point is, those were the clothes Tara wore saturday night and those same clothes were found in her home just after she went missing.

[concernedperson]

As Lindsey said - yes that was taken at the pagent - the point is, those were the clothes Tara wore saturday night and those same clothes were found in her home just after she went missing.
Thank you. It wasn't hard to come up with that. Her belly is not of a pregnant woman it is the jeans and anyone who would wear them has a great self esteem. These suckers don't cut much slack. Low slung evil things.

[One2Snoop]

Thank you. It wasn't hard to come up with that. Her belly is not of a pregnant woman it is the jeans and anyone who would wear them has a great self esteem. These suckers don't cut much slack. Low slung evil things.


*LOL* I agree!

[One2Snoop]

Here are the clothes found in Tara's home....

http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/0,3927,701:3,00.html

[dixinites]

Thank you. It wasn't hard to come up with that. Her belly is not of a pregnant woman it is the jeans and anyone who would wear them has a great self esteem. These suckers don't cut much slack. Low slung evil things.

Correction: NO slack, lol. I hate those things, too.

I don't see a pregnancy in that picture, either. What I DO see is the hem of a pink formal dress next to Tara's legs...like the ones they wear in pageants. IMO.

[Lindsey]

Ya know, if you examine the picture closely,it does appear that Tara was barefooted in that picture, or maybe even had on a thin pair of sandals?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do recall reading that someone said she wore a pair of expensive shoes with high heels to the pageant that were carelessly tossed onto her floor, and not placed BACK in the box she normally kept them in inside her closet. I think AG said MHu told her that tara kept these in a box in the closet.

Who said she wore those to the pageant? Who saw Tara in those heels Saturday night?

Heels seem a bit dressy for the casual attire Tara had on in that picture, that's why I think it's possible she did have on sandals in that photo. If not, where is a picture of her in those heels to prove she had them on earlier in the night?

If she did not WEAR THOSE HEELS TO THE PAGEANT and she did have on sandals in the picture, is it possible that she went home later that evening and put on those heels for something? If so, what were her plans that required a little more dressing up?

OR were those heels pulled out for church on Sunday morning? Did Tara lay out her clothes/shoes the night before, which would have been Saturday night? If a struggle took place in her room, could this explain the shoes being tossed to the floor beside her bed?

If her clothes she wore to the pageant the night before were found UNDER other clothes on hangers, and these heels were found tossed, it is possible that she undressed on Saturday night, tossed her clothes on the 'divan' bench and then layed out other clothes on top of those with the plan to wear them on Sunday morning to church? And something happened during the night? the lamp was turned over, the clock was disturbed, the shoes tossed to the floor, the phone found on the bathroom floor,etc.

She wore the heels to the pageant and to the BBQ. People who saw her at the pageant described the heels and so did TD. They described the other clothes too.

[One2Snoop]

She wore the heels to the pageant and to the BBQ. People who saw her at the pageant described the heels and so did TD. They described the other clothes too.

This is what I remember also Lindsey - although you can't see the shoes on Tara's feet that well in the picture - I know I've seen one thats clearer - she does have those shoes on.

[Lindsey]

So she was just barefooted in the photo. Ok. That clears that question up.

you said TD described her heels.
TD, as in one of the the last persons KNOWN to have ever seen Tara on Saturday night? she is reported to have left his home around 11:00pm.
She was at his house for the BBQ.

I wonder if you know whether or not his wife also noticed tara's shoes closely enough to describe them, or just him? just wondering how closely each person was paying attention to tara and her actions that night.

I feel sure MD noticed Tara's shoes since she even described her jewelry. TD said he commented on her shoes because they were ... (I can't remember his word but something like different or unusual, which they are, IMO)

[Lindsey]

This is what I remember also Lindsey - although you can't see the shoes on Tara's feet that well in the picture - I know I've seen one thats clearer - she does have those shoes on.

Yes, you are absolutely correct! :)

Sorry I'm having to post and run but that's the way things are when you're multitasking, and I am.

[One2Snoop]

Yes, I would say they are unusual looking and low heeled - they almost could make a person appear barefoot in that photo. :rolleyes:

http://i9.tinypic.com/4bivg1x.jpg

[Lindsey]

Yes, I would say they are unusual looking and low heeled - they almost could make a person appear barefoot in that photo. :rolleyes:

http://i9.tinypic.com/4bivg1x.jpg

Yeppers, good job! Those are the shoes.

[Its just me]

Dixie,

You are correct. There was very little in the way of logic employed at the scene. IIRC, the clothes Tara was last seen in weren't immediately identified. Who knows what happened when the K-9 unit was brought in. Who knows what they used to "scent on Tara". I honestly don't think too many people thought this was a serious case, but, sometimes I think those same people realized just how serious Tara's disappearance was. There has been so much speculation and misinformation that it makes the average person believe this case will never be solved unless there is an absolute stroke of luck. Luck, in this case, is elusive. JMHO.


I honestly don't think too many people thought this was a serious case,

I had an appointment yesterday and had to wait a few minutes. Some more people were also in the waiting room and I realized from the conversation between 2 men that they were familiar if not from Ocilla. After one left I asked the other person if there were any news about Tara. He said his wife had spoke to someone connected to local LE (wont name names) and said there is nothing new. He also said Tara was gone to long before anyone knew she was acutally missing. (This was his personal opinion...I think) He stated he feels that some hunter will eventually find the body. I was disappointed he and I were both called to our appointments and the conversation ended. Just passing on information I was told.

[Brainstorm]

I honestly don't think too many people thought this was a serious case,

I had an appointment yesterday and had to wait a few minutes. Some more people were also in the waiting room and I realized from the conversation between 2 men that they were familiar if not from Ocilla. After one left I asked the other person if there were any news about Tara. He said his wife had spoke to someone connected to local LE (wont name names) and said there is nothing new. He also said Tara was gone to long before anyone knew she was acutally missing. (This was his personal opinion...I think) I was disappointed he and I were both called to our appointments and the conversation ended. Just passing on information I was told.

Good post IJM. The perps had from SAT nite till Mon.am,right? So,I beleive HD,AG, & LGs actions HAVE to be accounted for..............
and WHY HAVEN'T THEY ?

She was/is their SISTER
SISTER-in-law
Very,very close friend(protector? LOVER?)

THEY HAVE THE ANSWERS IMOO

[One2Snoop]

I honestly don't think too many people thought this was a serious case,

I had an appointment yesterday and had to wait a few minutes. Some more people were also in the waiting room and I realized from the conversation between 2 men that they were familiar if not from Ocilla. After one left I asked the other person if there were any news about Tara. He said his wife had spoke to someone connected to local LE (wont name names) and said there is nothing new. He also said Tara was gone to long before anyone knew she was acutally missing. (This was his personal opinion...I think) He stated he feels that some hunter will eventually find the body. I was disappointed he and I were both called to our appointments and the conversation ended. Just passing on information I was told.

Thanks for the info IJM. This man must have had a reason for feeling this way from what his wife told him - its a sad thought but I have to agree with him.

[dixinites]

SNIP>He stated he feels that some hunter will eventually find the body.<SNIP

...or some fisherman on the the Ocmulgee. JMO.

[gagal]

Sorry I havent been posting in some time....just havent had anything new to add.....I do read this forum everyday to stay up to date. I do want to ask if anyone heard this RUMOR....Someone was passing through our small town about 1 hour + north of Ocilla and i struck up a conversation with them. They were from fitzgerald. She told me that NO ONE talks about the whole TARA thing. That it is never brought up. even social situtions and get togethers, no one will talk about it. you know that big "elephant" in the room. That the last she heard about anything was that MH and his ride along were seen driving past Taras house in a police vehicle the night she went missing. Now, i didnt pick her because she was kinda reluctant to talk. I dont know who he was riding with or the time or even the night. I personally lean toward HD. That guy could really tell us a story!! Or answer a bunch of questions!!!!!!! (no I'm not trying to derail this thread by bringing up MH) but i guess I wondered if anyone else had heard this. She spoke like it was common knowlege. (older women and spouse nice people that I felt were being honest) LIKE I SAID>>> This is just something that I was told around the xmas holidays. Take it with a grain of salt!!!! I did...but I felt I needed to ask .....just in case...
Anyone????????
JmHO

[One2Snoop]

Sorry I havent been posting in some time....just havent had anything new to add.....I do read this forum everyday to stay up to date. I do want to ask if anyone heard this RUMOR....Someone was passing through our small town about 1 hour + north of Ocilla and i struck up a conversation with them. They were from fitzgerald. She told me that NO ONE talks about the whole TARA thing. That it is never brought up. even social situtions and get togethers, no one will talk about it. you know that big "elephant" in the room. That the last she heard about anything was that MH and his ride along were seen driving past Taras house in a police vehicle the night she went missing. Now, i didnt pick her because she was kinda reluctant to talk. I dont know who he was riding with or the time or even the night. I personally lean toward HD. That guy could really tell us a story!! Or answer a bunch of questions!!!!!!! (no I'm not trying to derail this thread by bringing up MH) but i guess I wondered if anyone else had heard this. She spoke like it was common knowlege. (older women and spouse nice people that I felt were being honest) LIKE I SAID>>> This is just something that I was told around the xmas holidays. Take it with a grain of salt!!!! I did...but I felt I needed to ask .....just in case...
Anyone????????
JmHO

Hmmmmm - it is true that MH and SF did a ride along that Saturday night ( I guess that would be early sunday morning) 1:30 am to 5:30 am but I've never heard anything about them actually driving by Tara's.

[One2Snoop]

Here's the transcript from Greta's show....

VAN SUSTEREN: At about 11:00 o'clock, midnight on Saturday, October 22, where was Marcus?

PAJADAS: He was with his stepsister and her boyfriend and two other friends up in Fitzgerald, at a bar.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is Fitzgerald local?

PAJADAS: Ten miles up the road.

VAN SUSTEREN: And how long did they stay at the bar?

PAJADAS: I think about 1:30, so 1:00 to 1:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: And then where did your client go at 1:30?

PAJADAS: He went — he came to the Ocilla law enforcement center, Irwin County law enforcement center, to find a friend of his that was on duty at the time, and I believe the dispatcher contacted him, found out where he was, and Marcus went with him.

VAN SUSTEREN: And left the relatives behind in the bar, or they went home their own way?

PAJADAS: Oh, yes. Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: They were not there?

PAJADAS: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: So then about 1:30...

PAJADAS: I might add Marcus doesn't drink, but they were at a bar where a friend of his was playing in the band.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So at 1:30, Marcus is off with a law enforcement officer.

PAJADAS: Correct.

VAN SUSTEREN: All night long or until about what time?

PAJADAS: I want to say it was the early morning hours because he was home at about — he left the officer and he was home about 5:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: And then goes to sleep at 5:30?

PAJADAS: Went to sleep..

VAN SUSTEREN: Until what time, approximately?

PAJADAS: The next morning, he — I want to say it was about 10:00, 10:30, I believe it was, he came into town, as I recall.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

[gagal]

I DONT know if they did ride by her house, but the way this woman put it was something like this "no one we know talks about Tara, it is never brought up and no one would... the only thing we know is that mh & ? were seen riding by her house that night in a police vehicle" Thats it. Of course what they "know" and what really is could be two very different things. When she told me, i could tell she was repeating something she had heard. She either didnt want to talk or just really didnt know anything. This is just a RUMOR, not a known fact!! (prob just something that was going in the rumor mill very early on because I kinda brought up somethings that I had read on this message board and she didnt even know who HD was.):shrug:

I do want to add....I didnt know Tara personally and I'm sure alot of other people here didnt either...I am amazed at the way everyone has hung in there for her!

Has anyone heard anything out of AG or LG or the good Dr. Godwin? I honestly can not believe how hush hush they have become...

[sogalady]

gagal, When I read your earlier post where you said, "I personally lean toward HD" I was reading a little too fast and ran that statement in with the sentence prior to it and read it something like this: I don't know who was riding with MH that night or the time, I personally lean toward HD. OH MY, I thought surely gagal doesn't think that MH and HD was riding together ! MADE ME FEEL A LITTLE DIZZY ! lol

Read back over that post really fast, see what I mean ? Glad I re-read it !

I agree, kinda strange how the G****s' just drifted away, makes one wonder doesn't it? Front and center today, gone tomorrow. I don't understand either.

[sogalady]

That nice little bright colored "?" mark was suppose to come at the end of the prior post, not at the beginning. Got all crossed up again !:eek:

[gagal]

One thing that really :flamemad: me off was the fact that
no one from the family attended the memorial in Ocilla. Maybe they wanted to be together to remember her, but that little town has searched, fed outsiders, been raked over the coals by outsiders, and worked their ass off to help. The least they could have done was show up to let everyone know that they were appreciated!!!! Those people backed AG & LG to everyone and waited on them hand and foot! I get ill just thinking about it!! Instead, they went the "glory" route with CB and picked up nutcases like MM. and forgot the little hometown guys!!!
:flamemad:

[gagal]

I'm sure Ocilla feels alittle "USED"!! She sure dropped them like a hot potato!

[dixinites]

I'm snipping my own post here, since it is in keeping with what GaGal is saying and it was never responded to:

SNIP>As family, wouldn't BG/CG have access to alot of the information that we can only speculate about?

It's obvious that we won't be hearing any more from the AG quarter, for MANY reasons. This case may not still be in the "national" news, but it appears to still have alot of locals interested and wanting to help and somebody needs to utilize this support. JMO. <SNIP

Anyone?

[Brainstorm]

One thing that really :flamemad: me off was the fact that
no one from the family attended the memorial in Ocilla. Maybe they wanted to be together to remember her, but that little town has searched, fed outsiders, been raked over the coals by outsiders, and worked their ass off to help. The least they could have done was show up to let everyone know that they were appreciated!!!! Those people backed AG & LG to everyone and waited on them hand and foot! I get ill just thinking about it!! Instead, they went the "glory" route with CB and picked up nutcases like MM. and forgot the little hometown guys!!!
:flamemad:

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! DID YOU JUST SAY WHAT I THOUGHT I REad ?????????

I can not believe THIS, AG,LG or any family or close family friends, protectors,lovers and such did not attend the service-------------right there in Ocilla, just(what ?) 6-8 blocks from where TARA LIVED ?
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Sorry I havent been posting in some time....just havent had anything new to add.....I do read this forum everyday to stay up to date. I do want to ask if anyone heard this RUMOR....Someone was passing through our small town about 1 hour + north of Ocilla and i struck up a conversation with them. They were from fitzgerald. She told me that NO ONE talks about the whole TARA thing. That it is never brought up. even social situtions and get togethers, no one will talk about it. you know that big "elephant" in the room. That the last she heard about anything was that MH and his ride along were seen driving past Taras house in a police vehicle the night she went missing. Now, i didnt pick her because she was kinda reluctant to talk. I dont know who he was riding with or the time or even the night. I personally lean toward HD. That guy could really tell us a story!! Or answer a bunch of questions!!!!!!! (no I'm not trying to derail this thread by bringing up MH) but i guess I wondered if anyone else had heard this. She spoke like it was common knowlege. (older women and spouse nice people that I felt were being honest) LIKE I SAID>>> This is just something that I was told around the xmas holidays. Take it with a grain of salt!!!! I did...but I felt I needed to ask .....just in case...
Anyone????????
JmHO


WEll, I understand how many people-like you mentioned above- dont talk,gossip etc.,IT IS TOO muuch for the kind,goodhearted,honest,etc. to be able to comprehend.Thats not the world They want to believe we live in......
But let me just say.....They aint been at some of my fireside chats up there on the river somewhere......
JMHO

[Results]

Thank you to whoever sent me the AV Incident Report! I do appreciate it! I want to say I felt so sadden to see Tara's hand writing and her words that she wrote down on her statement. I really haven't had time to really digest the whole report I just keep reading it over and over again and I think this man, HD, who was to protect Tara did NOTHING AGAIN. Tara did go outside to try to calm AV down and for you who don't know his hands were bloody and his blood was on her door and her door was damaged. I'm only going to quote one thing right now from this report because it is the most telling to me and here is what HD said, "He stated that Vickers was loud and beligerent before the time officers arrived beating on the house and TRYING TO PULL MS. GRINSTEAD OUT OF THE DOOR BY HER ARM".

Protection...how ironic. Every dog has its day HD! Every dog! JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I'm snipping my own post here, since it is in keeping with what GaGal is saying and it was never responded to:

SNIP>As family, wouldn't BG/CG have access to alot of the information that we can only speculate about?

It's obvious that we won't be hearing any more from the AG quarter, for MANY reasons. This case may not still be in the "national" news, but it appears to still have alot of locals interested and wanting to help and somebody needs to utilize this support. JMO. <SNIP

Anyone?

I wish some of the LHG that might have met these people and befriended them,back at the beginning,contact them.
JMHO

[PNut]

Thank you to whoever sent me the AV Incident Report! I do appreciate it! I want to say I felt so sadden to see Tara's hand writing and her words that she wrote down on her statement. I really haven't had time to really digest the whole report I just keep reading it over and over again and I think this man, HD, who was to protect Tara did NOTHING AGAIN. Tara did go outside to try to calm AV down and for you who don't know his hands were bloody and his blood was on her door and her door was damaged. I'm only going to quote one thing right now from this report because it is the most telling to me and here is what HD said, "He stated that Vickers was loud and beligerent before the time officers arrived beating on the house and TRYING TO PULL MS. GRINSTEAD OUT OF THE DOOR BY HER ARM".

Protection...how ironic. Every dog has its day HD! Every dog! JMHO

WOW Results. Yes, I'm sure it's a surreal report to be looking at. As I've stated a lot recently, I am losing my memory - was someone in the house with TAra when this happened, yes? Was it HD?

[Results]

WOW Results. Yes, I'm sure it's a surreal report to be looking at. As I've stated a lot recently, I am losing my memory - was someone in the house with TAra when this happened, yes? Was it HD?

HD was in Tara's house when AV was banging on the door.

[Brainstorm]

Thank you to whoever sent me the AV Incident Report! I do appreciate it! I want to say I felt so sadden to see Tara's hand writing and her words that she wrote down on her statement. I really haven't had time to really digest the whole report I just keep reading it over and over again and I think this man, HD, who was to protect Tara did NOTHING AGAIN. Tara did go outside to try to calm AV down and for you who don't know his hands were bloody and his blood was on her door and her door was damaged. I'm only going to quote one thing right now from this report because it is the most telling to me and here is what HD said, "He stated that Vickers was loud and beligerent before the time officers arrived beating on the house and TRYING TO PULL MS. GRINSTEAD OUT OF THE DOOR BY HER ARM".

Protection...how ironic. Every dog has its day HD! Every dog! JMHO


and please tell me again, is this the same night HD was HIDING IN TARAs HOUSE ?????????????
Yall stop me now,I stand to be corrected,but this is leading me to think premeditated, more and more................ Not only could they begin by blaming the old boyfriend,of course,but a young student with an "unhealthy crush on the teacher,(yeh, right)..........(I think AV is a fine sort IMO)

With AG & LGs help,they thought this would be over by now.

[Results]

and please tell me again, is this the same night HD was HIDING IN TARAs HOUSE ?????????????
Yall stop me now,I stand to be corrected,but this is leading me to think premeditated, more and more................ Not only could they begin by blaming the old boyfriend,of course,but a young student with an "unhealthy crush on the teacher,(yeh, right)..........(I think AV is a fine sort IMO)

With AG & LGs help,they thought this would be over by now.

Same night!

[PNut]

and please tell me again, is this the same night HD was HIDING IN TARAs HOUSE ?????????????
Yall stop me now,I stand to be corrected,but this is leading me to think premeditated, more and more................ Not only could they begin by blaming the old boyfriend,of course,but a young student with an "unhealthy crush on the teacher,(yeh, right)..........(I think AV is a fine sort IMO)

With AG & LGs help,they thought this would be over by now.

Hey Brain, you seem to really be bringing a theory together...(at least it seems to me you are, in what you type! LOL) so tell me because I'm real interested - WHAT is your theory (hypothetically of course!) on what you think happened to Tara?

[Brainstorm]

Hey Brain, you seem to really be bringing a theory together...(at least it seems to me you are, in what you type! LOL) so tell me because I'm real interested - WHAT is your theory (hypothetically of course!) on what you think happened to Tara?

I think Tara become to much of a liability to a few close around her,HD,her own sister and BIL,for all the reasons posted since day 1,.........
each reationship with each of these people was........"strained"

These people knew who would be blamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old Boyfriend of course !!!!!!! .but what about the boyfriend (current at the time) HEATH ****S ??????
who as its been proven , was hiding out in Taras house at least once before.SNEAKY ..............

If AG & LG had a black truck.......maybe HD borrowed it ?
Maybe LG donated some drugs...........
I believe they, if not planned it out where at least all in the s ame mindset...
Tara had to go.......for HDs sake,AG & LGs sake.
I think HD Took her out, He didnt have to LURE her anywhere,simply go for a late night ride,with her lover.......and killed her.

I just figure he probably headed on those back river roads sorta N by NE
towards the Ocmulgee,already had a spot in mind...and dumped her.

The problem is this is only my Hypothetical theory, and there ARE MILES &
MIL ES OF THOSE RIVER ROADS............

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I think Tara become to much of a liability to a few close around her,HD,her own sister and BIL,for all the reasons posted since day 1,.........
each reationship with each of these people was........"strained"

These people knew who would be blamed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old Boyfriend of course !!!!!!! .but what about the boyfriend (current at the time) HEATH ****S ??????
who as its been proven , was hiding out in Taras house at least once before.SNEAKY ..............

If AG & LG had a black truck.......maybe HD borrowed it ?
Maybe LG donated some drugs...........
I believe they, if not planned it out where at least all in the s ame mindset...
Tara had to go.......for HDs sake,AG & LGs sake.
I think HD Took her out, He didnt have to LURE her anywhere,simply go for a late night ride,with her lover.......and killed her.

I just figure he probably headed on those back river roads sorta N by NE
towards the Ocmulgee,already had a spot in mind...and dumped her.

The problem is this is only my Hypothetical theory, and there ARE MILES &
MIL ES OF THOSE RIVER ROADS............

JMHO



I need to add.......... It is entirely possible that the house that burnt.......could have been a good location to get out of town.....in case Mrs. D went riding around Tara house. Wasn't that just a few miles out of town,with clay and such on the "dirt road" ?????????????
That was an old,BELOVED FAMILY ,Homestead.IIRC

[Brainstorm]

Wasn't that the beautifully maintained homeplace,sort of a place for tea parties,dear to many who knew it??????? Did Tara know about that place?
Had she been there ?
JMHO

[gagal]

WEll, I understand how many people-like you mentioned above- dont talk,gossip etc.,IT IS TOO muuch for the kind,goodhearted,honest,etc. to be able to comprehend.Thats not the world They want to believe we live in......
But let me just say.....They aint been at some of my fireside chats up there on the river somewhere......
JMHO

Brain, You gotta remember, these people didnt know me from the next guy. I just got the impression (after reading these boards) that everyone is "linked" or "related" or "friends" with someone from one camp or another so its really touchy. Your fireside chats sound great!!!! I'll bring the beer! I bet ya'll got some good info!

[Brainstorm]

Brain, You gotta remember, these people didnt know me from the next guy. I just got the impression (after reading these boards) that everyone is "linked" or "related" or "friends" with someone from one camp or another so its really touchy. Your fireside chats sound great!!!! I'll bring the beer! I bet ya'll got some good info!

Probably far less than any of you have,but that with your beer,we could probably solve a lot of cases !!!!
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Thank you to whoever sent me the AV Incident Report! I do appreciate it! I want to say I felt so sadden to see Tara's hand writing and her words that she wrote down on her statement. I really haven't had time to really digest the whole report I just keep reading it over and over again and I think this man, HD, who was to protect Tara did NOTHING AGAIN. Tara did go outside to try to calm AV down and for you who don't know his hands were bloody and his blood was on her door and her door was damaged. I'm only going to quote one thing right now from this report because it is the most telling to me and here is what HD said, "He stated that Vickers was loud and beligerent before the time officers arrived beating on the house and TRYING TO PULL MS. GRINSTEAD OUT OF THE DOOR BY HER ARM".

Protection...how ironic. Every dog has its day HD! Every dog! JMHO

:eek: How interesting Results - I do hope you'll share more when you have the time.

[mooloo]

You read it right.

I wish I knew how many Ocillans cooked meal after meal, baked, catered, paid for meals, water, beverages, snacks for the searchers, Tara Center folks, family, etc. Opened up their home to AG/LG for MONTHS. I wish I knew how much food and supplies were bought, donated, paid for, given by Ocillans and Irwin Countians. It was an unbelievable amount. For months and months.

Don't know about the rest of the folks, but the folks who opened up their home for 5 months never even got a thank you, verbal or otherwise. AG and LG finally had to be told, nicely, that they needed to make other arrangements---AFTER they started inviting out of town friends over, cooking the host family's food for them, all unbeknownst to the host family and done while they were out of town.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! DID YOU JUST SAY WHAT I THOUGHT I REad ?????????

I can not believe THIS, AG,LG or any family or close family friends, protectors,lovers and such did not attend the service-------------right there in Ocilla, just(what ?) 6-8 blocks from where TARA LIVED ?
JMHO

[mooloo]

Doubt Tara had ever been there.

Wasn't that the beautifully maintained homeplace,sort of a place for tea parties,dear to many who knew it??????? Did Tara know about that place?
Had she been there ?
JMHO

[concernedperson]

Thank you to whoever sent me the AV Incident Report! I do appreciate it! I want to say I felt so sadden to see Tara's hand writing and her words that she wrote down on her statement. I really haven't had time to really digest the whole report I just keep reading it over and over again and I think this man, HD, who was to protect Tara did NOTHING AGAIN. Tara did go outside to try to calm AV down and for you who don't know his hands were bloody and his blood was on her door and her door was damaged. I'm only going to quote one thing right now from this report because it is the most telling to me and here is what HD said, "He stated that Vickers was loud and beligerent before the time officers arrived beating on the house and TRYING TO PULL MS. GRINSTEAD OUT OF THE DOOR BY HER ARM".

Protection...how ironic. Every dog has its day HD! Every dog! JMHO
But it is still scary. Why wouldn't he be protective? Why would this incident be allowed to happen?Why would AV be bloody? HD could be a wimp but why was AV bloody/ More questions.

[dixinites]

Wasn't that the beautifully maintained homeplace,sort of a place for tea parties,dear to many who knew it??????? Did Tara know about that place?
Had she been there ?
JMHO

I know about the burned house, but what about tea parties? I thought it was a private res with someone "housesitting"..

[dixinites]

But it is still scary. Why wouldn't he be protective? Why would this incident be allowed to happen?Why would AV be bloody? HD could be a wimp but why was AV bloody/ More questions.

Bloody knuckles from beating on the door or breaking it in his anger? JMO. I'm guessing if he hit it hard enough to damage it that he could have cut himself.

I am NO, I repeat NO, defender of HD, but maybe he was trying to stay out of it, with Tara's encouragment, in an attempt to diffuse the situation.

It appears to me that the fact that there was a man inside with Tara was what angered AV in the first place. Again, JMO.

[dixinites]

But it is still scary. Why wouldn't he be protective? Why would this incident be allowed to happen?Why would AV be bloody? HD could be a wimp but why was AV bloody/ More questions.

Bloody knuckles from beating on the door or breaking it in his anger? JMO. I'm guessing if he hit it hard enough to damage it that he could have cut himself.

I am NO, I repeat NO, defender of HD, but maybe he was trying to stay out of it, with Tara's encouragment, in an attempt to diffuse the situation.

If he had seen her riding around with someone earlier (redlight incident) he was probably already "worked up". It appears to me that the fact that there was a man inside with Tara was what angered AV in the first place. Again, JMO.

[concernedperson]

Bloody knuckles from beating on the door or breaking it in his anger? JMO. I'm guessing if he hit it hard enough to damage it that he could have cut himself.

I am NO, I repeat NO, defender of HD, but maybe he was trying to stay out of it, with Tara's encouragment, in an attempt to diffuse the situation.

If he had seen her riding around with someone earlier (redlight incident) he was probably already "worked up". It appears to me that the fact that there was a man inside with Tara was what angered AV in the first place. Again, JMO.That actually works with the timeline as we know it. Do we know for sure that he has passed a LDT?? An official LE timeline that is.

[minga]

Bloody knuckles from beating on the door or breaking it in his anger? JMO. I'm guessing if he hit it hard enough to damage it that he could have cut himself.

I am NO, I repeat NO, defender of HD, but maybe he was trying to stay out of it, with Tara's encouragment, in an attempt to diffuse the situation.

It appears to me that the fact that there was a man inside with Tara was what angered AV in the first place. Again, JMO.


Dixi, that's where my thoughts have always been. I find it impossible to believe that HD would cower in the house and send Tara to deal with an explosive situation. Just doesn't work in my head. I find it more possible that Tara insisted that she deal with AV, after all she was the one who knew him. If AV were already enraged, the site of HD would probably make it worse. Tara would believe that she could calm AV down and not have the two in a confrontation. Not only that, she may fear what would be said between the two of them, what AV might give away. JMO

HD can't be a coward and be in the position he is in. He was probably itching to go to the door but Tara probably had more reason to keep him away from the door. Again JMO.

[One2Snoop]

I know about the burned house, but what about tea parties? I thought it was a private res with someone "housesitting"..

I never heard anything about tea parties unless the owner of the home used to host those - that I wouldn't know. It is a private residence and someone with the initials ML was housesitting - his dark colored suv also was destroyed in the fire.

[One2Snoop]

Bloody knuckles from beating on the door or breaking it in his anger? JMO. I'm guessing if he hit it hard enough to damage it that he could have cut himself.

I am NO, I repeat NO, defender of HD, but maybe he was trying to stay out of it, with Tara's encouragment, in an attempt to diffuse the situation.

If he had seen her riding around with someone earlier (redlight incident) he was probably already "worked up". It appears to me that the fact that there was a man inside with Tara was what angered AV in the first place. Again, JMO.

Very good points dixi! Although if IIRC didn't this incident occur in the spring of 2005? Surely AV had calmed down by Oct. 2005 and don't forget he did pass that LDT.

[Brainstorm]

I disagree, I think HD & Tara didn't want AV to know HD was in the house.The fact that she went out to talk to AV,sure she didn't want AV to "give anything away" but HD didn't want to be found out. If he was only a protector,he would have presented himself as such to the student.
JMHO
My post was a reply to mingas'post above

[One2Snoop]

I disagree, I think HD & Tara didn't want AV to know HD was in the house.The fact that she went out to talk to AV,sure she didn't want AV to "give anything away" but HD didn't want to be found out. If he was only a protector,he would have presented himself as such to the student.
JMHO
My post was a reply to mingas'post above

Well you also make a good point - :tongue:

[Its just me]

Thank you to whoever sent me the AV Incident Report! I do appreciate it! I want to say I felt so sadden to see Tara's hand writing and her words that she wrote down on her statement. I really haven't had time to really digest the whole report I just keep reading it over and over again and I think this man, HD, who was to protect Tara did NOTHING AGAIN. Tara did go outside to try to calm AV down and for you who don't know his hands were bloody and his blood was on her door and her door was damaged. I'm only going to quote one thing right now from this report because it is the most telling to me and here is what HD said, "He stated that Vickers was loud and beligerent before the time officers arrived beating on the house and TRYING TO PULL MS. GRINSTEAD OUT OF THE DOOR BY HER ARM".

Protection...how ironic. Every dog has its day HD! Every dog! JMHO

Thanks Results for sharing this with us. I also thank the person who was kind enough to send it to you and I thank you for all you do in this case.

"trying to pull Ms Grinstead out of the door by her arm". So AV made physical contact with Tara. All I can say is HD did not come from the same stock I did. I am a female and not a great big one but if I am in the company of a female and a man makes physical contact with her with possible harm I will not stand by and look if I could get my hands on something to lay him out cold. I might go to jail but I promise it's a chance I would take. An apology if this report shows HD made an attempt to get AV's hands off Tara.

[dixinites]

Very good points dixi! Although if IIRC didn't this incident occur in the spring of 2005? Surely AV had calmed down by Oct. 2005 and don't forget he did pass that LDT.

Oh, I don't think AV had anything to do with Tara's disappearance...

Did anyone ever establish when the "traffic light incident" occurred?

As for HD and Tara not wanting AV to know HD was inside, I'm thinking he probably saw the vehicle at Tara's (or nearby), he had possibly seen it there before, too. I think AV knew he was in there, whether they wanted him to or not.

Good point about Tara not wanting any "verbal exchanges" between the two of them...could have been a "two cats out of two bags" situation...hmm?

[One2Snoop]

This was posted by Odette awhile ago and she's really good about keeping all the facts straight....

#2055 12-29-2006, 11:59 PM
odette

There were two stories going around about who was in the car with Tara when she was yelled at. One was RR and the other was HD. FWIW RR said that he was not in the car with Tara when she was yelled at. 'Back in the day' it was pretty much established that AV was the one who yelled at Tara and it was HD who was in the car with Tara at the time. IIRC it was apparently the same day when AV went around to Tara's and the 'pounding on the door' incident occured.

[dixinites]

This was posted by Odette awhile ago and she's really good about keeping all the facts straight....

Works for me! That would explain why he was so freaked out...

[Brainstorm]

Thanks Results for sharing this with us. I also thank the person who was kind enough to send it to you and I thank you for all you do in this case.

"trying to pull Ms Grinstead out of the door by her arm". So AV made physical contact with Tara. All I can say is HD did not come from the same stock I did. I am a female and not a great big one but if I am in the company of a female and a man makes physical contact with her with possible harm I will not stand by and look if I could get my hands on something to lay him out cold. I might go to jail but I promise it's a chance I would take. An apology if this report shows HD made an attempt to get AV's hands off Tara.

unless you were HIding and TG was trying to convince AV that HD was not there. She had probably told HD a lie about her relationship w/ AV.
For SURE SHE DIDNT WANT THE TWO to talk face to face. Tara was in a bind there,with the two of them.
JMHO and AV IMO is just an unfortunate in this case. HD would use any means he could/can to cover his own ass.

[Its just me]

unless you were HIding and TG was trying to convince AV that HD was not there. She had probably told HD a lie about her relationship w/ AV.
For SURE SHE DIDNT WANT THE TWO to talk face to face. Tara was in a bind there,with the two of them.
JMHO and AV IMO is just an unfortunate in this case. HD would use any means he could/can to cover his own ass.

I agree AV is not involved with Tara's disappearance but as always I can be wrong. My point was if HD stood by and witnessed AV having hold of Tara's arm and did nothing he is nothing more than pure chicken s***. MHOO but a very strong one.

[Brainstorm]

I agree AV is not involved with Tara's disappearance but as always I can be wrong. My point was if HD stood by and witnessed AV having hold of Tara's arm and did nothing he is nothing more than pure chicken s***. MHOO but a very strong one.

I totally agree,chicken **** and a snake in the grass.....
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

I agree AV is not involved with Tara's disappearance but as always I can be wrong. My point was if HD stood by and witnessed AV having hold of Tara's arm and did nothing he is nothing more than pure chicken s***. MHOO but a very strong one.

:eek: IJM - It does make you wonder about someone like that - unbelievable! IMO! JMO!

[Results]

As I tried to go back in my house, he pulled my arm asking me to talk with him, and I struggled to shut my door as he pushed from the outside. I also noticed Anthony's hand bleeding from knocking on the door so hard. Blood was on my door from his hand. Anthony's behavior was abnormal and was very aggressive on this day, I was very scared for my well being

Excuse HD all you want to this woman was scared out of her mind with a police captain in her home and I wonder why that would be?

[Brainstorm]

HD & Taras affair hadn't come out at that time, had it? He was HIDING. Tara was lying,she wasn't SCARED OF AV !!!!!!! She didn't want the two to talk....IMOO

[Results]

Thanks Results for sharing this with us. I also thank the person who was kind enough to send it to you and I thank you for all you do in this case.

"trying to pull Ms Grinstead out of the door by her arm". So AV made physical contact with Tara. All I can say is HD did not come from the same stock I did. I am a female and not a great big one but if I am in the company of a female and a man makes physical contact with her with possible harm I will not stand by and look if I could get my hands on something to lay him out cold. I might go to jail but I promise it's a chance I would take. An apology if this report shows HD made an attempt to get AV's hands off Tara.

He did nothing!