The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[Brainstorm]

What kind of person are you to even ask if a married couple is sleeping together..that is kinda nosey and a little to much information don't you think? You must be a HD stalker. You send me a PM telling me to back off HD and now you out here talking about his sex life and this really concerns me. Is someone standing outside their bedroom window taking notes or is this just a regular conversation about sleeping arrangements that is in your every day conversation? As far as a cheater goes why don't you ask Ms. GD how bad it hurt since she left him and apparently it hurt her enough to leave him. Your remark clearly shows you don't have a lick of sense. :punch: maybe that will help to knock some sense into you. Your remark about a cheater and to insult someone saying they deserved it or your not surprised it happened to them cleary shows your character. You should be proud of yourself because you just showed us all again what an ASS you are! That felt so good I think I will do it again :punch: . JMHO

I TOTALLY AGREE

[dixinites]

SNIIIIP You send me a PM telling me to back off HD and now you out here talking about his sex life and this really concerns me. JMHO

The fact that someone would PM another poster to say LAY OFF anyone is really, really flaky to me...what's another name for a mannequin...dummy?

[Results]

ME dated anyone who wore pants MH included. now rethink that whitehourse phone call.

How is MM doing? Apparently you will too! JMHO

[dixinites]

ME dated anyone who wore pants MH included. now rethink that whitehourse phone call.


Sticks and stones, bubba...sticks and stones.

[dixinites]

How is MM doing? Apparently you will too! JMHO


:beer: lolololololololololololololol!

[Results]

who is mm?

Well lets see more than one person told me about it so please don't judge me. I can give you a hint it's not candy or is it? You should know!

[fsbiii]

Please don't tell us where anything melts; that's all I ask.

[dixinites]

mannequin, i think "miss Tara" would want you to play nice. i'm sure you think that your defense of the #1 poi in this discussion is noble, however, your name-calling and all around nasty attitude is not. you have stated that that you don't post often...for that at least we can be grateful.

[Results]

Please don't tell us where anything melts; that's all I ask.

ROFLMAO :lol:

[dixinites]

Please don't tell us where anything melts; that's all I ask.

Eeeewwww! That's a mental picture that's gonna linger...**shiver**

[concernedperson]

you lost me on this all the way but this is just another example of why i dont post much because you all dont want the truth you just want to talk rumors. so have fun with your rumors and dont be real surprised when no local people will post when treated like this. what you post dont even make sense so i just guess you are hear for fun and not really for tara. for whatever it worth to anyone gbi is on it and not overlooking things you might think they are overlooking so be careful what you say it must might bite you in the butt. see you later mannequin the dummy lol but not really dumb as you think.

Really? Please go and take English 101, nevermind, see Spot run and meet Dick and Jane. 1st grade primer.

Sorry, that was cruel but so are you. Please take care to read and evaluate and don't drink kool-aid.

[Results]

you lost me on this all the way but this is just another example of why i dont post much because you all dont want the truth you just want to talk rumors. so have fun with your rumors and dont be real surprised when no local people will post when treated like this. what you post dont even make sense so i just guess you are hear for fun and not really for tara. for whatever it worth to anyone gbi is on it and not overlooking things you might think they are overlooking so be careful what you say it must might bite you in the butt. see you later mannequin the dummy lol but not really dumb as you think.

Thank you! Exit here ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>>>>>>>>>

I didn't want you to get lost so I showed you the way! Bye-Bye!

[RCM-715]

ME dated anyone who wore pants MH included. now rethink that whitehourse phone call.

Why in the world would you speak of ME in such a way? These are dirty words to say re: a young lady? Do you know her? You sound very angry. ME and MH have NEVER dated. I'll say it again just in case you didn't get that, NEVER. That is fact. There is no need to rethink anything. We understand when the heat is on H**th, then you must change the subject.

[RCM-715]

Really? Please go and take English 101, nevermind, see Spot run and meet Dick and Jane. 1st grade primer.

Sorry, that was cruel but so are you. Please take care to read and evaluate and don't drink kool-aid.

LOL! It could not be stated any better than this!

[Brainstorm]

She knows who HD sleeps with...
she thinks she knows who MH sleeps with..
This gal thinks a lot about that sort of thing..
She sends threating PM's.

Shouldn't she be out on a Sat. nite, getting HERSELF a LIFE?
JMOO

[RCM-715]

That's a good point O2S,I hadn't thought of it that way,exactly. He was crying for himself,not becauce his friend was missing.It was way too soon to be crying about that IMO. He is,IMO a very selfish type,self centered,even having an affair would show this.Thinking of his wants and desires,instead of his wife and family. SO---HE WAS CRYING FOR HIMSELF--HE THOUGHT HE HAD BEEN BUSTED !!!! I think that makes a lot of sense

Brainstorm: I totally agree with you. It's an obvious observation!

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The calls regarding Saturday night...I'm a little confused. IF the last cellphone call was made at 10:20 PM from HD to Tara and then the last call Tara made was on her landline then does that mean there were no calls on her cellphone after that last call at 10:20 PM on Saturday? IF this is true then if HD called Tara's house all those times at Tara's then why didn't he call Tara's cellphone if she wasn't home? I'm confused about these phone calls. These messages were left on a phone/answering machine IIRC on Tara's home phone. Why wouldn't HD call her cellphone that Sunday to contact her if she wasn't answering her home phone? TIA for any help.

[fsbiii]

I imagine he left voicemails on her cell line, too. Never heard for sure. That's presuming she had voicemail on her cell. I'd like to know what incoming calls are on Tara's cell (answered and unanswered) after 10:20 pm Saturday up until Monday morning around the discovery at the house that she was gone. That list of calls would be interesting as to who was looking for her and calling the cell (her mom? Maria H? HD? others we may not know about?)....

[Brainstorm]

The calls regarding Saturday night...I'm a little confused. IF the last cellphone call was made at 10:20 PM from HD to Tara and then the last call Tara made was on her landline then does that mean there were no calls on her cellphone after that last call at 10:20 PM on Saturday? IF this is true then if HD called Tara's house all those times at Tara's then why didn't he call Tara's cellphone if she wasn't home? I'm confused about these phone calls. These messages were left on a phone/answering machine IIRC on Tara's home phone. Why wouldn't HD call her cellphone that Sunday to contact her if she wasn't answering her home phone? TIA for any help.

WOW !!!!! You guys here are giving me LIGHT BULB Moments !!! You're right Results !!! Maybe because he KNEW the cell phone was dead ? Maybe he had it with them on Sat. night ? Then returned it sometime Sun? Or am I just confused?

JMVHO

[dixinites]

The calls regarding Saturday night...I'm a little confused. IF the last cellphone call was made at 10:20 PM from HD to Tara and then the last call Tara made was on her landline then does that mean there were no calls on her cellphone after that last call at 10:20 PM on Saturday? IF this is true then if HD called Tara's house all those times at Tara's then why didn't he call Tara's cellphone if she wasn't home? I'm confused about these phone calls. These messages were left on a phone/answering machine IIRC on Tara's home phone. Why wouldn't HD call her cellphone that Sunday to contact her if she wasn't answering her home phone? TIA for any help.

Excellent point...If the last call on the cell was Sat nite then that would mean he didn't even TRY to reach her on her cell...you know...the one Tara never went anywhere without. I would think if I were trying DESPERATELY to reach someone, to the point of calling their home phone 5-10-20 times, I would probably give the cell phone a ring or two as well.

[fsbiii]

I think we've only been told via Popcorn that the last incoming cell call was HD to Tara; I don't think we know anything about outgoing calls from the cell OR incoming calls that were unanswered. Correct me if I be mistook.

[dixinites]

I imagine he left voicemails on her cell line, too. Never heard for sure. That's presuming she had voicemail on her cell. I'd like to know what incoming calls are on Tara's cell (answered and unanswered) after 10:20 pm Saturday up until Monday morning around the discovery at the house that she was gone. That list of calls would be interesting as to who was looking for her and calling the cell (her mom? Maria H? HD? others we may not know about?)....

...and who really wasn't;) ...

[Results]

I think we've only been told via Popcorn that the last incoming cell call was HD to Tara; I don't think we know anything about outgoing calls from the cell OR incoming calls that were unanswered. Correct me if I be mistook.

You could be right. The comment was made that there was another call on her phone but at this time they could not release that information. The same time they said the 2nd to the last caller on Tara's phone they could not release that information either...you know ME then another caller, then HD. So that made me think there weren't any more calls on the cellphone. I could be wrong. I'm trying to find the release of that information to show you what I am talking about. I'm asking because I don't know except for that release made via Popcorn. IF it is true that HD did not call her cellphone at all Sunday that to me shows me that he knew she wouldn't be answering the cellphone and it would point more towards the calls made to the landline staged and it would be one of the biggest mistakes he made. JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I am confused about this cell phone thing--what I'm trying to say is
okay she used it all day Sat.and Sat.night,but she was known to never go anywhere without it, so she did have it with her Sat. after 11:00pm.It went dead.She was being harmed by HD.The phone was with them and he knew it was dead,and that is one of the things he did Sun was take it & put it on the cgarger. Does this make any sense? Like I said, its confusing

[Results]

I'm following what you're getting at and I agree. If all HD's calls to Tara after 10:20 Sat were made to her home phone, it would be a big red flag. After all, Tara never went anywhere without her cell. JMHO.

This is why it is such a RED FLAG IF TRUE. Example: If you call your friend and you need to talk to your friend and your friend does not answer her home phone number then you are going to call her cellphone to get ahold of her since you know she isn't at home because she didn't answer. IF HD did not call Tara's cellphone at all Sunday then he had to know Tara wouldn't be answering her cellphone no need to call it and the staging began with the home phone number and messages. I'm just trying to find out if it is true that HD did not call Tara's cellphone at all Sunday. JMHO

[fsbiii]

I'll speculate that there are calls on her cell from HD, Maria H, and possibly Faye G on Sunday thru early a.m. Monday. More from HD than anyone else, I'm speculating further. We're not gonna know this unless it comes from someone in the know who saw her incoming call log or records from the cell phone company--and that's an unlikely premise, IMO.

[Lindsey]

I'll speculate that there are calls on her cell from HD, Maria H, and possibly Faye G on Sunday thru early a.m. Monday. More from HD than anyone else, I'm speculating further. We're not gonna know this unless it comes from someone in the know who saw her incoming call log or records from the cell phone company--and that's an unlikely premise, IMO.

I know that FG said in her NG interview she had tried to reach Tara on both phones (meaning landline and cell) that Sunday. I believe MHu said something similar. When popcorn/Dr G talked about Tara's last incoming calls, he was talking about Saturday night. Don't forget he claims she was abducted between 11:05 pm - 5:00 am Sat night/Sun morning so any calls after that timeframe would be of no interest to him, IMO.

Since Tara's cell was on the charger, I assume it was turned off and all calls went straight to VM.

IMO

[Results]

I'll speculate that there are calls on her cell from HD, Maria H, and possibly Faye G on Sunday thru early a.m. Monday. More from HD than anyone else, I'm speculating further. We're not gonna know this unless it comes from someone in the know who saw her incoming call log or records from the cell phone company--and that's an unlikely premise, IMO.

More than likely your right. I shouldn't have even mentioned it! Sorry to distract!

[Lindsey]

I'm not sure if it was ever established that her cell phone went dead. I've always assumed that Tara put her cell on the charger when she got home. IMO, if she was as obsessive about her cell phone as AG led us to believe, she probably had a charger in her car, too. Especially since she travelled at night to school. JMHO.

You are correct. Very early on in the discussions someone said her phone was probably dead from all the conversations she had during the BBQ that night and that's why she didn't take it with her when she went back out again, since she never left home without it. Of course, after it was stated that it might have been dead, it became a fact to most people. That's how rumors get started with all the WHAT IFs etc.

MOO

[dixinites]

This is why it is such a RED FLAG IF TRUE. Example: If you call your friend and you need to talk to your friend and your friend does not answer her home phone number then you are going to call her cellphone to get ahold of her since you know she isn't at home because she didn't answer. IF HD did not call Tara's cellphone at all Sunday then he had to know Tara wouldn't be answering her cellphone no need to call it and the staging began with the home phone number and messages. I'm just trying to find out if it is true that HD did not call Tara's cellphone at all Sunday. JMHO

How would we determine this without the phone records?

[odette]

No offense, but I have one question. Would you cry if you thought your good friend (or best friend as reported by some) had been murdered? I don't know about you, but I would definately shed a few tears, man or not, public or not.

MOST people, including myself, who couldn't get their friend on the phone on a Sunday, surely wouldn't automatically think, "Oh No ... she's been murdered!".

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

It's not that I am incapable of independent thought,or maybe I am right now,but it's that you guys are saying it so well,so I just want to add---Just my very honest opinion and I TOTALLY AGREE !!!!

[BroadwayJoe]

How would we determine this without the phone records? You couldn't.

[BroadwayJoe]

You are correct. Very early on in the discussions someone said her phone was probably dead from all the conversations she had during the BBQ that night and that's why she didn't take it with her when she went back out again, since she never left home without it. Of course, after it was stated that it might have been dead, it became a fact to most people. That's how rumors get started with all the WHAT IFs etc.

MOO

You are correct Lindsey. Referencing your example of how rumors begin, some, most and/or all assume she "went back out again" that night (voluntarily). Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. No one can really state for a fact either way, except the person or persons responsible, or Tara herself. Even the phone calls during the BBQ can't REALLY be proven, without the phone records. Sure, there may be alleged witnesses to this or that, but it appears from the outside looking in the majority of residents in that town have some sort of axe to grind, person to protect, or agenda to adhere to. So anything is possible. Most anything. And anyone could be lying about any detail for whatever reason. No disrespect, but even Tara herself. JMHO.

[readmylips]

You are correct Lindsey. Referencing your example of how rumors begin, some, most and/or all assume she "went back out again" that night (voluntarily). Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. No one can really state for a fact either way, except the person or persons responsible, or Tara herself. Even the phone calls during the BBQ can't REALLY be proven, without the phone records. Sure, there may be alleged witnesses to this or that, but it appears from the outside looking in the majority of residents in that town have some sort of axe to grind, person to protect, or agenda to adhere to. So anything is possible. Most anything. And anyone could be lying about any detail for whatever reason. No disrespect, but even Tara herself. JMHO.

have you actually encountered, interacted with, or polled a majority of that town? even for a small town that is an awful lot of people to be applying a generalization like that to. i have to throw that statement in to the how rumors get started pile too. no way you could convince me that a majority of a town can be pigeonholed like that. sorry.

what that statement does do is tell me an awful lot about how your mind works. or confirms it i should say.

[BroadwayJoe]

MOST people, including myself, who couldn't get their friend on the phone on a Sunday, surely wouldn't automatically think, "Oh No ... she's been murdered!".

JMHO

Under normal circumstances you would be correct. Tara's case, from what I can determine, is way too complex to make a broad assumption of that nature. There have been allegations of all kinds, including she was in danger, had a fear of someone, etc. If all of these things are true (but I don't know that they ARE...but IF they are) then someone would have EVERY reason to think the worst at that point. JMHO and most likely how I would react in a similar situation if the elements were all there.

[Brainstorm]

BJ,it is apparent that you are a good friend of HD,IMO.I want to ask you a question.Have you not once,for even a moment had a doubt that he harmed Tara? Be honest now.With all the rumors,speculations,facts(what few have come out)have you NEVER thought HE COULD HAVE harmed Tara? Have you ever-just to satisfy your own mind-point blank asked HD if he killed Tara?
JMVHO

BJ,please help us find answers.What is HD's alibi for Sat.night,all day on Sun.and on Monday until he showed up at OCP? Has he taken a LDT?
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

You are correct Lindsey. Referencing your example of how rumors begin, some, most and/or all assume she "went back out again" that night (voluntarily). Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. No one can really state for a fact either way, except the person or persons responsible, or Tara herself. Even the phone calls during the BBQ can't REALLY be proven, without the phone records. Sure, there may be alleged witnesses to this or that, but it appears from the outside looking in the majority of residents in that town have some sort of axe to grind, person to protect, or agenda to adhere to. So anything is possible. Most anything. And anyone could be lying about any detail for whatever reason. No disrespect, but even Tara herself. JMHO.

We can't prove anything here,but I'm sure LE has phone records and have a good idea of what went on that night.
when Tara first went missing,I believe the persons she had been with,that Sat. at the supper,had no reason to lie.They simply told who,what when and where.There was no reason not too.The only person that I can see that has an AGENDA would be HD,then AG.
JMVHO

In my above post I meant OPD, Ocilla Police Dept.

[fsbiii]

The bold things apply to AG/LG and the venomous online militants from months gone by way more than they apply to a "majority" of Ocilla people, IMO.

You are correct Lindsey. Referencing your example of how rumors begin, some, most and/or all assume she "went back out again" that night (voluntarily). Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. No one can really state for a fact either way, except the person or persons responsible, or Tara herself. Even the phone calls during the BBQ can't REALLY be proven, without the phone records. Sure, there may be alleged witnesses to this or that, but it appears from the outside looking in the majority of residents in that town have some sort of axe to grind, person to protect, or agenda to adhere to. So anything is possible. Most anything. And anyone could be lying about any detail for whatever reason. No disrespect, but even Tara herself. JMHO.

[dixinites]

SNIP>Broadway Joe:Under normal circumstances you would be correct. Tara's case, from what I can determine, is way too complex to make a broad assumption of that nature. <SNIP

...and speaking of broad assumptions:


SNIP>it appears fromthe outside looking in the majority of residents in that town have some sort of axe to grind, person to protect, or agenda to adhere to. So anything is possible. JMHO.<SNIP

[readmylips]

SNIP>Broadway Joe:Under normal circumstances you would be correct. Tara's case, from what I can determine, is way too complex to make a broad assumption of that nature. <SNIP

...and speaking of broad assumptions:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BroadwayJoe
SNIP>it appears fromthe outside looking in the majority of residents in that town have some sort of axe to grind, person to protect, or agenda to adhere to. So anything is possible. JMHO.<SNIP


thank you for noticing that too. saved me from having to point it out. :biggrin:

[readmylips]

Under normal circumstances you would be correct. Tara's case, from what I can determine, is way too complex to make a broad assumption of that nature. There have been allegations of all kinds, including she was in danger, had a fear of someone, etc. If all of these things are true (but I don't know that they ARE...but IF they are) then someone would have EVERY reason to think the worst at that point. JMHO and most likely how I would react in a similar situation if the elements were all there.

are you referencing the claims that tara told hd that she was in danger weeks prior to her disappearance? oh, wait, he spoke to her the night she disappeared. no wait, he hadn't talked to her in a few weeks. well, wait, i just don't know when he last saw or talked to her. i am so confused.

and you wonder why people are seeking clarification on hd's role in tara's world at the time of her disappearance? some clarification could really help.

so, bj, could you please bring something valuable to the table and find out where exactly he was the weekend she disappeared and whether he went to work that monday or was he in ocilla as reported. clear up some of this speculation. please. he would probably appreciate you doing that for him.

[One2Snoop]

You're probably right. Let me ask you something. Would FG, as Tara's most logical next of kin, have any right to see those records? I'm sure that LE got the cell phone carrier to provide a list of incoming, outgoing and missed calls as SOP, but would the family be privy to that information? JMHO.

From my understanding and viewing my own cell phone bill - Incoming and outgoing calls are listed on your bill with the phone numbers. The family no doubt received Tara's cell phone bill after she went missing. I believe it was AG who was paying her bills.

[Brainstorm]

Under normal circumstances you would be correct. Tara's case, from what I can determine, is way too complex to make a broad assumption of that nature. There have been allegations of all kinds, including she was in danger, had a fear of someone, etc. If all of these things are true (but I don't know that they ARE...but IF they are) then someone would have EVERY reason to think the worst at that point. JMHO and most likely how I would react in a similar situation if the elements were all there.

....."allegations of all kinds,including she was in danger,had a fear of someone,etc."""
Did anyone know of any of these things,at that time,except HD,AG&LG?
IIRC thats where that talk came from,so HD was the only one that KNEW enough to "THINK THE WORST AT THAT POINT"
JMHO

[One2Snoop]

It just boggles the brain that Tara could possibly have been in so much danger that a married LE officer mobilizes over a weekend to travel so far to protect her and then does squat! I'm not buying the "Tara was in danger" line at all, it just doesn't fit. Oh, it's a convenient excuse for HD's behavior but it just doesn't mesh with Tara's lifestyle. If she truly felt she was in danger, do you think she would have driven to the pageant in Fitz alone, do you think she would have driven back alone, do you think she would have attended the BBQ alone and do you think she would have went home alone at 11:00? HD called her numerous times, if she was in danger why didn't she arrange to meet him at the Davis home and have him escort her home to make sure she arrived safely? Oh, wait, maybe she did. JMHO.

Excellent points Merrick. :beer:

[fsbiii]

Don't make me drop the Chik-Fil-A line again, people.

No danger. No harm. Just an excuse for his MYSTERIOUS & INEXPLICABLE conduct before, after (and during) Tara's disappearance.

JMOOOOOOOOOOO.

[mooloo]

Amen, to about the 10th power.

The bold things apply to AG/LG and the venomous online militants from months gone by way more than they apply to a "majority" of Ocilla people, IMO.

[Brainstorm]

It just boggles the brain that Tara could possibly have been in so much danger that a married LE officer mobilizes over a weekend to travel so far to protect her and then does squat! I'm not buying the "Tara was in danger" line at all, it just doesn't fit. Oh, it's a convenient excuse for HD's behavior but it just doesn't mesh with Tara's lifestyle. If she truly felt she was in danger, do you think she would have driven to the pageant in Fitz alone, do you think she would have driven back alone, do you think she would have attended the BBQ alone and do you think she would have went home alone at 11:00? HD called her numerous times, if she was in danger why didn't she arrange to meet him at the Davis home and have him escort her home to make sure she arrived safely? Oh, wait, maybe she did. JMHO.

EXACTLY !!!!!! Merrick, IMO this was HD & AG &LG's lies to "try" to explain his trips and calls.I just can't believe NO ONE ELSE knew of these "dangers".
MOO

[odette]

My only question is if Tara thought that there was any reason for her to need "protection" from someone, why was HD the only person that was informed about it? Why didn't she let her family know that she was afraid? I just think that it is rather convenient that AG says that HD was at Tara's house at all hours of the night on different occasions simply b/c he felt that she was in danger of some sort. Why didn't Tara mention this to anyone why not a family member?

Back in the day the 'story' was, that HD was the ONLY person whom Tara confided in that she was in 'danger'. Many of the posts pertaining to this have gone now but you can still find quite a few in the Google cache.

Just bumping the above quoted post, from way back at the beginning of this thread, to show one of the reasons given to explain why HD was spending so much time at Tara's house.

JMHO

[odette]

Don't make me drop the Chik-Fil-A line again, people.

No danger. No harm. Just an excuse for his MYSTERIOUS & INEXPLICABLE conduct before, after (and during) Tara's disappearance.

JMOOOOOOOOOOO.

:lol: That Chik-Fil-A line is my favorite!

[dixinites]

:lol: That Chik-Fil-A line is my favorite!

Yep, definitely a "hall of famer"...

[Brainstorm]

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANY THING BEING DISCUSSED HERE???I sincerely HOPE YOU GET BANNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST MY VERY HONEST OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM SPEAKING TO MANNEQUIN OR WHOEVER SHE IS--------------

[dixinites]

I vote ignore...all in favor???

[One2Snoop]

Mannequin must be drinking the koolaid. :punch:

[odette]

I vote ignore...all in favor???

A definate aye from me!

imo

[fsbiii]

Unbelievable.

[dixinites]

OK, O/T (Fancy that!), can someone give me a quick instruction on how to look for things in the "google cache"/ Google, I can do, but cache, no can do.

[Results]

i understand lindsey r. is pregnant again. is the father any of the poi in this case or do anybody know? if she manages to marry the docs boy this time i sure hope he has the sight to do a dna test before ruined his life. just my opinion of all this mess. tara would be shocked by all this im sure but i guess lindsey is out of the loop now for 9 months anyway if she keeps this one.

Get on your broomstick and please fly the hell away from here. How many have you kept MW? IF Tara would be shocked by anything it would be your friggin ignorants to come to the board and derail and make such venom remarks about people. Do you go around looking into people's windows at night to find out who is sleeping with who? There is a law against that and I believe it is called a "Peeping Tom". You must not have a sex life because all you want to do is talk about everybody elses sex life. I can see why you haven't been laid in awhile. You seem to be very jealous of this Lindsey girl and then the remarks yesterday of the other girl, ME, you must be jealous of her too. Lets not forget HD and GD sleeping arrangements. Are you peeping into anyone elses bedrooms? JMHO

[One2Snoop]

OK, O/T (Fancy that!), can someone give me a quick instruction on how to look for things in the "google cache"/ Google, I can do, but cache, no can do.

Sending pm with instructions. :seeya:

[dixinites]

TIA! O2s, Tia!

[Results]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bnutty
My only question is if Tara thought that there was any reason for her to need "protection" from someone, why was HD the only person that was informed about it? Why didn't she let her family know that she was afraid? I just think that it is rather convenient that AG says that HD was at Tara's house at all hours of the night on different occasions simply b/c he felt that she was in danger of some sort. Why didn't Tara mention this to anyone why not a family member?

Back in the day the 'story' was, that HD was the ONLY person whom Tara confided in that she was in 'danger'. Many of the posts pertaining to this have gone now but you can still find quite a few in the Google cache.

Just bumping the above quoted post, from way back at the beginning of this thread, to show one of the reasons given to explain why HD was spending so much time at Tara's house.

JMHO

[dixinites]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bnutty
My only question is if Tara thought that there was any reason for her to need "protection" from someone, why was HD the only person that was informed about it? Why didn't she let her family know that she was afraid? I just think that it is rather convenient that AG says that HD was at Tara's house at all hours of the night on different occasions simply b/c he felt that she was in danger of some sort. Why didn't Tara mention this to anyone why not a family member?

We're probably doin' the circle dance here, but didn't LG mention the fact that T was e-mailing him regarding being "afraid" of MH? This was, of course after everyone had a chance to swap stories. I'm gonna have to say "a great big Chik-Fil-A" to the whole "fear" theory, cuz no-one else involved in the case has mentioned it.

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We're probably doin' the circle dance here, but didn't LG mention the fact that T was e-mailing him regarding being "afraid" of MH? This was, of course after everyone had a chance to swap stories. I'm gonna have to say "a great big Chik-Fil-A" to the whole "fear" theory, cuz no-one else involved in the case has mentioned it.

I agree but that post says because HD "FELT" Tara was in danger not because Tara told him for a fact she was in danger. HD "FELT" it! Big difference in my book. JMHO

[One2Snoop]

We're probably doin' the circle dance here, but didn't LG mention the fact that T was e-mailing him regarding being "afraid" of MH? This was, of course after everyone had a chance to swap stories. I'm gonna have to say "a great big Chik-Fil-A" to the whole "fear" theory, cuz no-one else involved in the case has mentioned it.

Yes - That was according to Hariett's interview -

[mooloo]

Strange that TG only needed HD's protection during all hours of the night..can't say I've ever known of a similar situation.

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Originally Posted by Bnutty
My only question is if Tara thought that there was any reason for her to need "protection" from someone, why was HD the only person that was informed about it? Why didn't she let her family know that she was afraid? I just think that it is rather convenient that AG says that HD was at Tara's house at all hours of the night on different occasions simply b/c he felt that she was in danger of some sort. Why didn't Tara mention this to anyone why not a family member?

[odette]

And I guess HD's wife split with him, temporarily, just because he was protecting Tara from "the danger"?

IMO, Tara was in as much "danger" as a pig at a Chik-Fi-La. This is an utter crock of conspiracy stew, and it's rancid to the bottom of the bowl.

Hear, Hear!.


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imo

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Strange that TG only needed HD's protection during all hours of the night..can't say I've ever known of a similar situation.

It is not only strange but it is unbelievable. If she is in danger she is going to depend on a man that lives 90 miles away from her to protect her? Forget about calling 911 or asking a friend to stay with you or going to the police in your town. No they want us to believe that if someone came to her house to harm her she is going to call HD 90 miles away and say what make it fast they are here to get me? Common sense would tell you that is not logical nor believable. JMHO

[One2Snoop]

One2snoop,

We know what alwaysHarriet is capable of. His perv theories on Natalee's forum and the direction he was taking on JBR were sick. I suspect he believes Tara was sold into a sex slave pornography ring, too. JMHO with total disgust.

LOL I forgot to use the rolling my eyes smiley :rolleyes: in that post.

ITA :beer:

[fsbiii]

Let's not forget his "protection" included hiding behind Tara and her door when AV came a'knockin'.....and reluctantly filing a supplemental police report when requested...FWIW, IIRC, JMO.

To protect and to serve? Or just to serve? Hmm.

Strange that TG only needed HD's protection during all hours of the night..can't say I've ever known of a similar situation.

[odette]

I agree but that post says because HD "FELT" Tara was in danger not because Tara told him for a fact she was in danger. HD "FELT" it! Big difference in my book. JMHO

HD "FELT" Tara was in danger .. Yeah right :rolleyes:

IMO HD has been pulling the strings from behind the scenes from the get go and it's about time his 'puppet's' realized it!.

JMHO

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Let's not forget his "protection" included hiding behind Tara and her door when AV came a'knockin'.....and reluctantly filing a supplemental police report when requested...FWIW, IIRC, JMO.

To protect and to serve? Or just to serve? Hmm.

Exactly. I requested a copy of this report and was told that to obtain a report you must go in person to the Ocilla Police Department between the hours of 8 and 5. Also, I would like to add that anyone that hasn't seen the Ocilla Police Department website should take a look at it. They have a wonderful page for Tara giving contact # and pictures and the amount of the reward money. I really thought that was nice since most of the time is how bad they are covering up something. Good job Ocilla Police Department. Thank you for keeing Tara on your website. JMHO

[The R]

Has anyone ever gone by OPD to get a copy of this report? Might be interesting........


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Let's not forget his "protection" included hiding behind Tara and her door when AV came a'knockin'.....and reluctantly filing a supplemental police report when requested...FWIW, IIRC, JMO.

To protect and to serve? Or just to serve? Hmm.

[One2Snoop]

Has anyone ever gone by OPD to get a copy of this report? Might be interesting........


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I'm not sure its worth the scrutiny one may endure for asking. I just read a lengthy article in my local newspaper yesterday about how this is handled by various LE and seriously I'd have to think twice about asking. JMO

I do agree though, it would be interesting to read.

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I want that report. I will be willing to pay for the report and send it to the OPD and will be willing to pay whoever will pick it up for me. I will be willing to write the OPD stating that I want the report but someone is going to pick it up for me so that no residence is accused of wanting this report. It has been said that HD's report says it all of who he really is. I would love to have HD's report that he submitted.

[odette]

It is not only strange but it is unbelievable. If she is in danger she is going to depend on a man that lives 90 miles away from her to protect her? Forget about calling 911 or asking a friend to stay with you or going to the police in your town. No they want us to believe that if someone came to her house to harm her she is going to call HD 90 miles away and say what make it fast they are here to get me? Common sense would tell you that is not logical nor believable. JMHO

All I can say is, HD wife must be very understanding to have allowed her husband to go racing off to Ocilla to 'protect' Tara at all hours of the night, on different occasions.

JMHO

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All I can say is, HD wife must be very understanding to have allowed her husband to go racing off to Ocilla to 'protect' Tara at all hours of the night, on different occasions.

JMHO

She was so understanding that she left his sorry ***! So that actually makes me wonder what he told his wife what he was doing those nights he was at Tara's?? JMHO

[concernedperson]

Has anyone invited GBI to read here? Maybe they do but since this site has moved very recently it might be a good idea to invite them to come over. I am learning a lot and we have already heard LE is looking for a piece of the puzzle.

Could be the puzzle piece has surfaced...or not. But, it surely has been an interesting read lately. I don't have my contact info (still taking care/staying with my daughter) but the guy is Deputy Director of Investigations at headquarters in Decatur, Ga.

I would do this myself but I am on 24 call and don't have the followup capability. I haven't forgotten about Tara at all..I just have other priorities that take a lot of time.

[One2Snoop]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Why would there be any scrutiny? Aren't these public records? Or is it because it's related to a relativly high profile case? Color me confused. JMHO.

Police often violated laws that mandate open access to public records and delayed for weeks the release of ordinary reports, intimidating people who asked for them and researching requesters' backgrounds, according to the audit of more than 200 departments and California Highway Patrol offices, including 63 in the Bay Area. Written requests for records were sometimes ignored, and some departments refused to accept them. snip

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/community/16444200.htm

[concernedperson]

Police often violated laws that mandate open access to public records and delayed for weeks the release of ordinary reports, intimidating people who asked for them and researching requesters' backgrounds, according to the audit of more than 200 departments and California Highway Patrol offices, including 63 in the Bay Area. Written requests for records were sometimes ignored, and some departments refused to accept them. snipu

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/community/16444200.htm
In all these cases, contact the governor as he/she is an elected official. They may spoon feed you but the request is there and a copy of an email/letter responding is there too. Then contact the local newspaper when info requested is not adhered to. You then have a copy of a promise to respond/act. If the newspaper doesn't respond contact a blogger.

The system is set up for immediate failure if you don't know the next step. In the event the newspaper is noncompliant....hit blogs. The word will be out very shortly. By then, you have a copy of a email/letter from the governor, you have a copy sent to a newspaper, you have an internet connection to a blog where all this has been presented.

This is bypassing a system that is non-responsive. Not saying it will yield the correct result but Steve Huff has been amazing as far as getting responses and actions from all over the country. And, yeah, he has brought some perps to justice. Of course, he isn't superman but he tries. Like all of us try. We have to.

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Police often violated laws that mandate open access to public records and delayed for weeks the release of ordinary reports, intimidating people who asked for them and researching requesters' backgrounds, according to the audit of more than 200 departments and California Highway Patrol offices, including 63 in the Bay Area. Written requests for records were sometimes ignored, and some departments refused to accept them. snip

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/community/16444200.htm

O2S, they didn't say I couldn't have it...they said you had to come in person between 8 and 5. That is what I was told I tried to buy it on the phone or asked if I could purchase on a website they said no you had to go in person.

[One2Snoop]

O2S, they didn't say I couldn't have it...they said you had to come in person between 8 and 5. That is what I was told I tried to buy it on the phone or asked if I could purchase on a website they said no you had to go in person.

Yes, I know. I was just using this as an example as to what a local may go through when asking for the report.

[One2Snoop]

In all these cases, contact the governor as he/she is an elected official. They may spoon feed you but the request is there and a copy of an email/letter responding is there too. Then contact the local newspaper when info requested is not adhered to. You then have a copy of a promise to respond/act. If the newspaper doesn't respond contact a blogger.

The system is set up for immediate failure if you don't know the next step. In the event the newspaper is noncompliant....hit blogs. The word will be out very shortly. By then, you have a copy of a email/letter from the governor, you have a copy sent to a newspaper, you have an internet connection to a blog where all this has been presented.

This is bypassing a system that is non-responsive. Not saying it will yield the correct result but Steve Huff has been amazing as far as getting responses and actions from all over the country. And, yeah, he has brought some perps to justice. Of course, he isn't superman but he tries. Like all of us try. We have to.

Thanks for the info - these were reporters who conducted this audit although they didn't identify themselves as such. They were trying to find out if LE was complying with the "Open Records Act". I was simply using this as an example as to what one may endure for asking for a copy of that LE report submitted by HD. :patriot:

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Yes, I know. I was just using this as an example as to what a local may go through when asking for the report.

Sorry! I misunderstood your post.

[readmylips]

some people myself included think local le are involved someway in this so if this was the case it would make sens for tara to call on someone far away to help. if there was ties to local le then she wouldnt trust them imo. maybe the asking a friend to stay would make sense but tara was very private about things like that and might not want her closest friends to know things like that. jmo but ive seen things like this happen before because of being embarrass.

sorry manny but you have established yourself as someone who does not have the ability to process coherant, responsible opinions. thanks for trying to offer a perspective but your history proceeds you. from this point forward your words are classified gibberish to me and i would almost bet that it falls into the same category for others here too but i will let them make their own determination. :patriot:

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sorry manny but you have established yourself as someone who does not have the ability to process coherant, responsible opinions. thanks for trying to offer a perspective but your history proceeds you. from this point forward your words are classified gibberish to me and i would almost bet that it falls into the same category for others here too but i will let them make their own determination. :patriot:

I for one agree. :beer:

[hypnotized]

You know, this is getting ridiculous. I've heard of Windows for Dummies but now are we entertaining a forum for dummies? IMO, some should be banned for bad grammar and gibberish postings. Where's Pedro when you need him? JMHO.


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...ahem.....couldn't resist

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[The R]

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Where's Pedro when you need him? JMHO.

My thoughts exactly........some trolls don't write well in English OR broken English........ALLMO.....

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if there is a report like that you want a copy of i think they give you a copy of the front only not the back but you have to go in person and pay for it like a copy maybe a dollar a page not sure of the price.

Wrong again! Not surprising either!

[readmylips]

My thoughts exactly........some trolls don't write well in English OR broken English........ALLMO.....

schizophrenia contributes to that condition doesn't it? ;) i was just noticing the regression into the pedro personality and thinking to myself, hmmmmm, interesting.

so, what was the topic before sybil showed back up?

[concernedperson]

Some of this is pretty embarrassing, manny. Do what you can but don't try and convince anyone. I would think backing off would be better for your self esteem. JMO. I mean this as not putting yourself in something not in your realm but your judgement is first and foremost.

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schizophrenia contributes to that condition doesn't it? ;) i was just noticing the regression into the pedro personality and thinking to myself, hmmmmm, interesting.

so, what was the topic before sybil showed back up?

The only topic when the derailers come out. HD!

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Some of this is pretty embarrassing, manny. Do what you can but don't try and convince anyone. I would think backing off would be better for your self esteem. JMO. I mean this as not putting yourself in something not in your realm but your judgement is first and foremost.

CP, the only backing off she knows is sending PM's saying back off HD!

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no need to be nasty since i may be wrong about the price per page. but you have to go in person to get that and pay for the copy. or at least thats the way it used to work. i picked up one of these for a friend once and had to pay for the copy and they gave a copy of front page only except to the victim then they give it for free. if you want the report maybe you should just go get it instead of trying to pay another person to do it for you that sounds kind of like you dont want anything going back on you if you are wrong jmho.

Wrong again! Not surprising! If I'm wrong about what that HD submitted a suplementary report? LMAO I can drive 12 hours to get the report but it would be cheaper to pay someone to get them for me. Concerned about that report are you? You have some nerve to say no need to be nasty and you came on here accusing people of abortions, sleeping with everyone, and even know who is sleeping with who? Practice what you preach it might do you some good. If I was you I be looking out the window watching to see when those papers will be served against you because we surely know who you are and you didn't say in your opinion .... I would be watching for those papers! Now, on another note to see your ass in court that would be worth driving 12 hrs to see! JMHO

[odette]

if there is a report like that you want a copy of i think they give you a copy of the front only not the back but you have to go in person and pay for it like a copy maybe a dollar a page not sure of the price.

It's NOT about the dollars .. It's what is written on the pages that we are so interested in .. all of it, front, back, and the supplemantal report as well.

JMHO

[RCM-715]

sorry manny but you have established yourself as someone who does not have the ability to process coherant, responsible opinions. thanks for trying to offer a perspective but your history proceeds you. from this point forward your words are classified gibberish to me and i would almost bet that it falls into the same category for others here too but i will let them make their own determination. :patriot:

I'm with you readmylips.

[dixinites]

some people myself included think local le are involved someway in this so if this was the case it would make sens for tara to call on someone far away to help. if there was ties to local le then she wouldnt trust them imo. maybe the asking a friend to stay would make sense but tara was very private about things like that and might not want her closest friends to know things like that. jmo but ive seen things like this happen before because of being embarrass.

OK, I can control myself no longer...It looks like Mannequin has taken her meds and now she wants to play nice, but that is not how it works in adult society when you've been a very bad girl.

Maybe you can go to another forum and start a thread on "Who's Sleeping with Who", but I for one am not interested and it is not appropriate on "Miss Tara's " board. So out of respect for her, take it elsewhere.

I don't know if you never learned punctuation in school or if you are just too lazy to use it. That, along with your bad manners and atrocious (go look it up) spelling and grammar have become most annoying.

Now, POOF, be gone.

[RCM-715]

Wrong again! Not surprising! If I'm wrong about what that HD submitted a suplementary report? LMAO I can drive 12 hours to get the report but it would be cheaper to pay someone to get them for me. Concerned about that report are you? You have some nerve to say no need to be nasty and you came on here accusing people of abortions, sleeping with everyone, and even know who is sleeping with who? Practice what you preach it might do you some good. If I was you I be looking out the window watching to see when those papers will be served against you because we surely know who you are and you didn't say in your opinion .... I would be watching for those papers! Now, on another note to see your ass in court that would be worth driving 12 hrs to see! JMHO

Bow and close the curtin!! Clap, Clap, Clap!

[dixinites]

if people are accusing them of cover up it would be a good idea to put taras picture on there to make it look good. i don't know the truth to that but sure have heard some things. not putting taras picture up would be what you people have been called a red flag dont you think? so putting it on there makes them look ok when relally maybe their not you know to keep up the front of looking for tara when maybe they are not doing that at all but just bidding time for it to blow over.

WHAT?????????? What language are you speaking here????? Is it "DUMMese"?

I am very sure that you have seen some things and heard some things that NOBODY else has, but there IS a PILL for that!

The scary part is that this person is LOOSE!

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I always thought that the derailment came when we started discussing HD. Lately we have had trusted members come on here and tell us other things we didn't know about HD. Looking at this derailment AGAIN from last night and the night before it appears it isn't just about HD it is about us getting closer to him and picking up some pieces of the puzzles and we can't stop now. Do I know that HD knows where Tara is? No I don't. Why do I believe so strongly that HD knows where Tara is? Follow what we do know. We know that they hid HD being at Tara's several times that day into the wee hours of the morning and he made a phone call to FG but they didn't just hide it for 1 day or a month. They hid this information from October 2005 until March of 2006 when Dr Godwin released the information. How many of you would have said MH/SF coverup at the beginning if you knew HD was there several times that day and there just hours before she was reported missing? Last person Tara talked to on her cellphone is HD. HD picks Tara up at the school on October 18th 2005 and on a CL article says he hasn't seen Tara in weeks. We know that he was at Tara's when AV was arrested and we know he parked his car at the neighbors. Yet HD broke his parking habits that Sunday. IF it was all innocent and he was truly trying to find Tara then why break his parking habit? The calls were an over kill. HD is standing outside of Tara's house in the daytime and at night and is calling Tara's phone. He had to have heard the phone ringing inside her house that would tell him that Tara is not there. Now that he knows she is not there and logically thinking he would call Tara's cellphone to say "hey where you at" but he had to hear the cellphone ringing in Tara's house so why not a RED FLAG THEN! Not a RED FLAG the 2nd time. Not a RED FLAG the 3rd time. He calls FG and don't really know what that conversation was and we probably won't ever know. FG turns around and call the P's to see if anything unusual and the only reason we know about that was because of the neighbors, the P's. HD did not get help and simply drove away even after he called FG after midnight! He drove away! It all points to him and I don't care who he is and neither should the Law. He has answers and it is way over due for him to give them. JMHO

[TuscanDreams]

Has anyone invited GBI to read here? Maybe they do but since this site has moved very recently it might be a good idea to invite them to come over. I am learning a lot and we have already heard LE is looking for a piece of the puzzle.

Hi CP- since I work in LE, I'd be shocked if they DID NOT read here. I read all over the net to check on the sex offenders in my caseload. You'd be surprised where they post. :eek: Anyway- I'm sure the GBI reads here.

[mooloo]

If I am standing in the front yard of the person that I am protecting from a huge evil, and I call both phones and neither answers, and I can hear one or both of them ringing...I am going into that house to check on her.

Really, people. He is in the front yard, car is there (nastier than TG would have ever let it get, according to know-it-all source AG), phone is ringing and no one is answering or coming to the door? I need to see the inside of that house---not just stick my business card up there and drive away.

OF course, if I am the mother or concerned sister, I am there and going in also or I am calling local police and asking them to go in. Or getting the neighbor's key, if I could. But somebody is going in that house to check on my daughter/sister/lifetime friend that I am protecting!!

I apologize, this is a repeat of several posts, but I could not resist posting it all again to show how ridiculous it appears.

I always thought that the derailment came when we started discussing HD. Lately we have had trusted members come on here and tell us other things we didn't know about HD. Looking at this derailment AGAIN from last night and the night before it appears it isn't just about HD it is about us getting closer to him and picking up some pieces of the puzzles and we can't stop now. Do I know that HD knows where Tara is? No I don't. Why do I believe so strongly that HD knows where Tara is? Follow what we do know. We know that they hid HD being at Tara's several times that day into the wee hours of the morning and he made a phone call to FG but they didn't just hide it for 1 day or a month. They hid this information from October 2005 until March of 2006 when Dr Godwin released the information. How many of you would have said MH/SF coverup at the beginning if you knew HD was there several times that day and there just hours before she was reported missing? Last person Tara talked to on her cellphone is HD. HD picks Tara up at the school on October 18th 2005 and on a CL article says he hasn't seen Tara in weeks. We know that he was at Tara's when AV was arrested and we know he parked his car at the neighbors. Yet HD broke his parking habits that Sunday. IF it was all innocent and he was truly trying to find Tara then why break his parking habit? The calls were an over kill. HD is standing outside of Tara's house in the daytime and at night and is calling Tara's phone. He had to have heard the phone ringing inside her house that would tell him that Tara is not there. Now that he knows she is not there and logically thinking he would call Tara's cellphone to say "hey where you at" but he had to hear the cellphone ringing in Tara's house so why not a RED FLAG THEN! Not a RED FLAG the 2nd time. Not a RED FLAG the 3rd time. He calls FG and don't really know what that conversation was and we probably won't ever know. FG turns around and call the P's to see if anything unusual and the only reason we know about that was because of the neighbors, the P's. HD did not get help and simply drove away even after he called FG after midnight! He drove away! It all points to him and I don't care who he is and neither should the Law. He has answers and it is way over due for him to give them. JMHO

[The R]

Wrong again! Not surprising! If I'm wrong about what that HD submitted a suplementary report? LMAO I can drive 12 hours to get the report but it would be cheaper to pay someone to get them for me. Concerned about that report are you? You have some nerve to say no need to be nasty and you came on here accusing people of abortions, sleeping with everyone, and even know who is sleeping with who? Practice what you preach it might do you some good. If I was you I be looking out the window watching to see when those papers will be served against you because we surely know who you are and you didn't say in your opinion .... I would be watching for those papers! Now, on another note to see your ass in court that would be worth driving 12 hrs to see! JMHO


IIRC, LE agencies can keep a supplemental report in confidential status and not release it. Tuscan do you know?

Thanks,
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I always thought that the derailment came when we started discussing HD. Lately we have had trusted members come on here and tell us other things we didn't know about HD. Looking at this derailment AGAIN from last night and the night before it appears it isn't just about HD it is about us getting closer to him and picking up some pieces of the puzzles and we can't stop now. Do I know that HD knows where Tara is? No I don't. Why do I believe so strongly that HD knows where Tara is? Follow what we do know. We know that they hid HD being at Tara's several times that day into the wee hours of the morning and he made a phone call to FG but they didn't just hide it for 1 day or a month. They hid this information from October 2005 until March of 2006 when Dr Godwin released the information. How many of you would have said MH/SF coverup at the beginning if you knew HD was there several times that day and there just hours before she was reported missing? Last person Tara talked to on her cellphone is HD. HD picks Tara up at the school on October 18th 2005 and on a CL article says he hasn't seen Tara in weeks. We know that he was at Tara's when AV was arrested and we know he parked his car at the neighbors. Yet HD broke his parking habits that Sunday. IF it was all innocent and he was truly trying to find Tara then why break his parking habit? The calls were an over kill. HD is standing outside of Tara's house in the daytime and at night and is calling Tara's phone. He had to have heard the phone ringing inside her house that would tell him that Tara is not there. Now that he knows she is not there and logically thinking he would call Tara's cellphone to say "hey where you at" but he had to hear the cellphone ringing in Tara's house so why not a RED FLAG THEN! Not a RED FLAG the 2nd time. Not a RED FLAG the 3rd time. He calls FG and don't really know what that conversation was and we probably won't ever know. FG turns around and call the P's to see if anything unusual and the only reason we know about that was because of the neighbors, the P's. HD did not get help and simply drove away even after he called FG after midnight! He drove away! It all points to him and I don't care who he is and neither should the Law. He has answers and it is way over due for him to give them. JMHO

Very good post,needs repeating again and again.Add to that that MH & AV,the ones that HD & AG were so "concerned" about, have taken & PASSED LDT. Has HD? What is his ALIBI's ? Wasn't HE THE ONE THAT WAS LYING and
trying to MISLEAD authorities.

JMVHO

As for what happened here last night and night before with Mannequin, I vote that we all just ignore the post h/s makes in the future and when it gets bad enough maybe FH20 will delete them.

[Letree]

Its possible that Tara is alive. She may have even posted on this forum. Or her abductor may have posted. My reasoning comes from the example of Shawn Hornbeck, one of the two boys that were found recently. Two messages were placed on the Shawn Hornbeck guestbook on 12-1-2005, one under the name of Shawn from Kirkwood, Mo, the other from Shawn Devlin of Kirkwood, Mo. Shawn was found at Michael Devlin's apt. in Kirkwood, Mo.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...ct=clnk&cd =1

A profile of Shawn has been online for about a year. It contains a photo and some information about him, including a statement that he attends Kirkwood Highschool.

http://mindviz.com/profile.php?id=dirtbike_rider

[One2Snoop]

Its possible that Tara is alive. She may have even posted on this forum. Or her abductor may have posted. My reasoning comes from the example of Shawn Hornbeck, one of the two boys that were found recently. Two messages were placed on the Shawn Hornbeck guestbook on 12-1-2005, one under the name of Shawn from Kirkwood, Mo, the other from Shawn Devlin of Kirkwood, Mo. Shawn was found at Michael Devlin's apt. in Kirkwood, Mo.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...ct=clnk&cd =1

A profile of Shawn has been online for about a year. It contains a photo and some information about him, including a statement that he attends Kirkwood Highschool.

http://mindviz.com/profile.php?id=dirtbike_rider

Anythings possible LeTree - we certainly can't discount the fact that she may be alive - but we are talking about an adult here, not a child. I find it highly unlikely that Tara would never speak to her family again, especially her mother unless she were being held against her will.

BTW - the first link in your post doesn't work.

Thanks for posting your thoughts.

[One2Snoop]

Letree - here is the correct link

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:o61Zl-2t70UJ:www.shawnhornbeck.com/guestbook.cfm+%22Joe+Black+-+Sunday,+April+11,+2004+%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

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bumping!:punch:

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Just checking to see if there's any news about our favorite POI.

[Results]

What if we have the reason HD called FG wrong? Maybe it wasn't anything that spooked him or thought someone seen him. Maybe it was to show FG that he was so concerned for Tara that he would never harm her. Maybe the phone call to FG would be the family protection that he needed and got. He made that phone call for something I just don't think it was to find Tara because I think he already knew where she was. What made him call? hmmmm JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Good thinking,Results and all the calls the next day was because he was in a panic.
MOO

[odette]

If I am standing in the front yard of the person that I am protecting from a huge evil, and I call both phones and neither answers, and I can hear one or both of them ringing...I am going into that house to check on her.

Really, people. He is in the front yard, car is there (nastier than TG would have ever let it get, according to know-it-all source AG), phone is ringing and no one is answering or coming to the door? I need to see the inside of that house---not just stick my business card up there and drive away.

OF course, if I am the mother or concerned sister, I am there and going in also or I am calling local police and asking them to go in. Or getting the neighbor's key, if I could. But somebody is going in that house to check on my daughter/sister/lifetime friend that I am protecting!!

I apologize, this is a repeat of several posts, but I could not resist posting it all again to show how ridiculous it appears.

Please don't apologize mooloo .. these actions (or NON action) of HD, bear repeating!.

IF HD was phoning Tara while he was standing there in her yard at 12:15am on Monday 24, he HAD to have heard Tara's landline and cellphone ringing!. This is a woman whom he "FELT" was in danger or so we were told. IMO he did not have Tara's wellbeing at the top of his priority list at all. If he had of truly had concerns about Tara's safety he would have called local LE and asked them to come around and check things out. Honestly, just think about it. He didn't!. RED FLAG.

Did he not think that it was odd that she wasn't answering her phone, afterall her car was there and it 'was' after midnight .. and then, according to AG, HD is there at Tara's at either 6pm or 7pm Sunday also .. was he phoning Tara then as well?. Good grief, this man's actions/NON action are suspicious imo. I honestly believe that HD had something to do with Tara's disappearance IMO.

I also do NOT believe that HD told FG that he was calling from Tara's, after midnight if you please. If he had done so, she would not of had to phone the P's to ask if Tara's car was home. Why on earth would she wake up the P's after midnight to verify it. Why wouldn't he want her to know that he was there? RED FLAG!.

HD needs to have a 'heavy duty' spotlight shone on him .. We need to know if he has taken a LDT and if not, why not. I personally do not believe that he has taken one imo. Let's face it, we would have heard about it, especially if he had passed with flying colors.

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Please don't apologize mooloo .. these actions (or NON action) of HD, bear repeating!.

IF HD was phoning Tara while he was standing there in her yard at 12:15am on Monday 24, he HAD to have heard Tara's landline and cellphone ringing!. This is a woman whom he "FELT" was in danger or so we were told. IMO he did not have Tara's wellbeing at the top of his priority list at all. If he had of truly had concerns about Tara's safety he would have called local LE and asked them to come around and check things out. Honestly, just think about it. He didn't!. RED FLAG.

Did he not think that it was odd that she wasn't answering her phone, afterall her car was there and it 'was' after midnight .. and then, according to AG, HD is there at Tara's at either 6pm or 7pm Sunday also .. was he phoning Tara then as well?. Good grief, this man's actions/NON action are suspicious imo. I honestly believe that HD had something to do with Tara's disappearance IMO.

I also do NOT believe that HD told FG that he was calling from Tara's, after midnight if you please. If he had done so, she would not of had to phone the P's to ask if Tara's car was home. Why on earth would she wake up the P's after midnight to verify it. Why wouldn't he want her to know that he was there? RED FLAG!.

HD needs to have a 'heavy duty' spotlight shone on him .. We need to know if he has taken a LDT and if not, why not. I personally do not believe that he has taken one imo. Let's face it, we would have heard about it, especially if he had passed with flying colors.

JMHO

VERY GOOD POINTS- odette-- I got confused in my post above,Lord , that HD
did some STRANGE things that whole weekend .I don't understand hows he's been able to keep anything straight. OR HAS HE?
How can we,just regular citizens get some answers?
My confusion was about when the calls were made.

[odette]

we've been waiting on these answers since October 24, 2005. i can't think of any other way us regular citizens can know anything more about the actions of hd unless there is an arrest and a jury trial.

i've always wanted to know why ag and fg just conveniently skipped over the part about the late night-early monday am phone call from hd? did ag know hd called her mama monday am?

if you are worried about finding your daughter and sister, you go on tv with the full truth out there and let the chips fall where they may. tg's mom and sister protected hd from the starting gate. could it be because he was married and they were protecting his family from the scrutiny?

they should've told the truth from the start if they knew he was there at tg's. but i think they may have told LE the truth and just NOT told the public. that's possible that they didn't tell that info to the public cause he was married with little kids. but dr. mg didn't hold back when he made his statement and that's when the public first heard of his presence at tg's that monday morning when he called fg.

<snip> we've been waiting on these answers since October 24, 2005. i can't think of any other way us regular citizens can know anything more about the actions of hd unless there is an arrest and a jury trial. <snip>

Maybe .. just maybe .. someone will come here and post .. someone that can tell us something that they know/saw .. someone, who for whatever reason has not spoken up by now. Maybe they will read something here which will jog their memory .. maybe they saw HD in Ocilla that Sunday/Monday ..

JMHO

[Brainstorm]

I may be mistaken but I thought there was "gossip" from day one about Tara having an affair,but Dr. G's report just verified that HD was in her yard that weekend. CORRECT ME IF I'M Wrong. I DID SAY GOSSIP.
jmho
This was a reply to Kaths' post.

[odette]

I may be mistaken but I thought there was "gossip" from day one about Tara having an affair,but Dr. G's report just verified that HD was in her yard that weekend. CORRECT ME IF I'M Wrong. I DID SAY GOSSIP.
jmho
This was a reply to Kaths' post.

On the first Tara forum, it was posted by more than a few that Tara and HD were having an affair and that when HD came to visit Tara he parked/hid his car out of sight over at the neighbors place, and he was given permission to do so.

Speaking of changing his normal routine, as mentioned elsewhere, why didn't HD park his vehicle over at the neighbors place on Sunday/Monday, when he came to Tara's?. Perhaps he already KNEW that he wouldn't be staying the night?.

JMHO

[sogalady]

i understand lindsey r. is pregnant again. is the father any of the poi in this case or do anybody know? if she manages to marry the docs boy this time i sure hope he has the sight to do a dna test before ruined his life. just my opinion of all this mess. tara would be shocked by all this im sure but i guess lindsey is out of the loop now for 9 months anyway if she keeps this one.

For once, is it possible to answer a simple question ?


What the heck does this (whatever it is ) have to do with "the price of tea in china" let alone Tara's case ? Are you sure that you were on the right thread, no excuse me,,, the right forum ? What is it about your friend being pregnant that Tara would be so surprised about ? How was Lindsey in "the loop"?

Anxious to see if there is an attempt to answer this obvious derailment !

[odette]

IMO, FG didn't mention the late night call because to her it was just not relevant to Tara being missing since HD neglected to tell her he was calling from Tara's home. He most likely had called her several time inquiring as to whether she heard from Tara or not, nice basis for building on that "I'm so concerned" alibi. JMHO.

Why would anyone care about HD and his marital status when the life of a missing person may be at stake? If anyone should have been concerned about HD and his family suffering any sort of scrutinity because of his "relationship" with Tara, it was HD, no one else. If that were my daughter, or sister, I would have hung his hide out to dry the first chance I had in order to get to the truth. Unfortunately, that didn't happen in this case. JMHO.

I don't believe for one moment that HD was concerned about anyone finding about his affair with Tara at that stage .. he made that more than obvious by the 20+ calls he left on Tara's answerphone where he was heard to be crying and declaring his love for her. IMO he had a lot more to worry about than people knowing that he and Tara were having an affair.

JMHO

[odette]

Exactly, and he obviously didn't care about his marriage any longer. He was hell bent and determined to cover his behind, IMO.

IMO, the moment he crossed the line and started his extramarital affair with Tara, HD showed that he didn't care too much about his marriage. I don't know how long this affair between them was going on, but it had to have been since March 2005, at least, because it was then that the AV/banging on Tara's door incident occured and HD was hiding somewhere in the house whilst Tara dealt with the scene going on at her door.

Looking forward to reading the report that HD filled in regarding this incident.

JMHO

03-21-2006, 04:07 PM
Bnutty

He was indeed there at Tara's house that night. That is in fact why AV got so angry and was banging on her door, b/c AV spotted HD's vehicle.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=7770305#post7770305

[Letree]

I can't seem to pin TG's abduction on anyone thats been mentioned. No one seems to have a motive strong enough to overcome the chance of being caught. I'm aware that people often kill in a fit of rage or heat of passion but I don't see that in any of these POIs. The only exception might be AV but he had an alibi and passed a polygraph test. MH had spurned her and yet she still seemed to love him, so no reason for murder there. HD would certainly have enough sense as a police captain to know he couldn't get away with murder while hanging around her house, making many phone calls to her and her family, leaving his card in her door, and visiting her neighbors to discuss her whereabouts. If she were pregnant with his child, he might want her to disappear but would use a more covert method. I believe that Tara had met and became interested in someone that we are unaware of. They had agreed to meet at her house at 11:00 pm. She arrived a few minutes after 11, went in and hurriedly changed clothes. While in the bathroom she received a call on her house phone. It was one of the girls in the sweet potatoe pageant thanking her for her help. Tara finished dressing, placed her dead cellphone in it's cradle, grabbed her purse (containing her car keys), locked the door and went out to meet her latest fling. They drove out of town to begin (or end) the rest of their lives.

[odette]

I can't seem to pin TG's abduction on anyone thats been mentioned. No one seems to have a motive strong enough to overcome the chance of being caught. I'm aware that people often kill in a fit of rage or heat of passion but I don't see that in any of these POIs. The only exception might be AV but he had an alibi and passed a polygraph test. MH had spurned her and yet she still seemed to love him, so no reason for murder there. HD would certainly have enough sense as a police captain to know he couldn't get away with murder while hanging around her house, making many phone calls to her and her family, leaving his card in her door, and visiting her neighbors to discuss her whereabouts. If she were pregnant with his child, he might want her to disappear but would use a more covert method. I believe that Tara had met and became interested in someone that we are unaware of. They had agreed to meet at her house at 11:00 pm. She arrived a few minutes after 11, went in and hurriedly changed clothes. While in the bathroom she received a call on her house phone. It was one of the girls in the sweet potatoe pageant thanking her for her help. Tara finished dressing, placed her dead cellphone in it's cradle, grabbed her purse (containing her car keys), locked the door and went out to meet her latest fling. They drove out of town to begin (or end) the rest of their lives.

<snip> HD would certainly have enough sense as a police captain to know he couldn't get away with murder while hanging around her house, making many phone calls to her and her family, leaving his card in her door, and visiting her neighbors to discuss her whereabouts. <snip>

HD did NOT visit Tara's neighbors to discuss her whereabouts. We didn't even knew that he was anywhere near Tara's place that weekend until March 2006.

JMHO

[dixinites]

SNIP:HD would certainly have enough sense as a police captain to know he couldn't get away with murder while hanging around her house, making many phone calls to her and her family, leaving his card in her door, and visiting her neighbors to discuss her whereabouts.

Well, it' worked so far...I think that's what he hoped everyone would think;) .

[odette]

odette, maybe it would come across a bit nicer to ask letree how they know whether or not hd discussed tg with the neighbors instead of telling letree that it did not happen. maybe letree knows something we don't unless you are that neighbor. This could be one of those things that trickles out year by year.

I'd like to ask Letree if this did take place and hd did discuss tg with the neighbors, when, like what timeframe did this take place? maybe it was just an assumption on your part, but i've never read or heard that this happened. if it did, could you be so kind as to tell us a bit more if you know. that'd be helpful info to keep in mind when we are working on timelines of events.

I don't appreciate being told how to post, what to ask and what not to ask. TYVM ..

Good grief .. unbelievable!.

JMHO

[fsbiii]

Odette knows her stuff, kath. You owe her more respect than you're providing, IMO. When people post "assumptions" like you label Letree's misinformation, it usually sprouts new growth and takes on a life of its own. HD never visited the Portiers to discuss anything; READ UP before casting useless advice to people who have been working this case online for so long, please. Letree can clear this up if he/she'd like. I think Letree probably just began studying the background on this case and made a mistake in posting that info--which is harmless and fine--if corrected. JMOO.

[odette]

Thank's fsbiii .. I sincerley appreciate your support.

[odette]

fsbiii

ooops 'sincerely' Dontcha just hate it when it's too late to edit a spelling error.

ITA "misinformation, it usually sprouts new growth and takes on a life of its own."

[Results]

Odette knows her stuff, kath. You owe her more respect than you're providing, IMO. When people post "assumptions" like you label Letree's misinformation, it usually sprouts new growth and takes on a life of its own. HD never visited the Portiers to discuss anything; READ UP before casting useless advice to people who have been working this case online for so long, please. Letree can clear this up if he/she'd like. I think Letree probably just began studying the background on this case and made a mistake in posting that info--which is harmless and fine--if corrected. JMOO.

Thank you, fsbiii. Odette was one of the posters that helped me a great deal when I came aboard. Whenever I needed a link or anything she was there. She respects everyone on the board and if anyone does deserve respect it is her. It appears to me that kath has taken odette's kindness for weakness and that will be kath's mistake. JMHO

[Esah]

IMO HD has taken a LDT and failed. I think he has been questioned so many times his head is spinning. I think his wife left him because she found out during the questioning that he was with Tara a bit too much. I think she came back because he convinced her that it was not going to go further than it had.

Here is where I think Tara's disappearance comes in. ALL JMO I think he was with Tara that weekend and was actually 'inside' Tara's house, not outside. After Tara and HD got intimate Saturday night, and she was already so despondent about MH dating that she tried to get HD to commit to something more with her. He just couldn't do it and she threw him out.

HD called repeatedly because the calls went unanswered. One call led to a bunch more and he was worried, confused and not sure what Tara might have done in her state of mind that night. He apologizes in one message and says that he loves her. Hoping that if she did listen to them then she would feel his concern for her. He drives by and leaves his calling card, thinking that she is just mad at him and won't answer the door. Seeing her car in the carport threw him off, he didn't think she might not even be there.

I have to say, that I don't 'feel' that HD did anything to Tara other than hurt her feelings. The theories put forth about him are compelling but I really think LE is smart and would have gotten a confession by now. HD may be smart, but if he was cheating on his wife, he lacked a bit of good judgement already. If he has been questioned a few times by the GBI, then I think they would have gotten enough to call him a suspect by now.

There must be another phone call to or from Tara that is leading them in another direction.

Tara left with someone else who came and got her. I think she left her car there on purpose.

All of this is just my huge imagination playing out.

[concernedperson]

Esah, if your theory is correct, and it just might be, then HD could provide a lot more to the timeline. This would mean Tara was abducted Sunday morning even if HD only stayed a few hours. It narrows the window quite a bit and it would seem that LE could place a tighter grip on the timeline by the phone calls.

[Results]

Esah, interesting. What time do you think Tara threw HD out? So right after she sleeps with HD she calls someone else or this someone else came and got her when...Sunday? I do think your right about HD and Tara sleeping together Saturday night and I'm just wondering if that is why the linen from the bed was not taken. As far as the GBI questioning him. That would be a piece of cake for him. He knows the rule of engagment when being questioned afterall he is a Captain. Thanks for your post Esah made me think of many things that I haven't thought of about HD. JMHO

[Letree]

Ok, after reading that Tara's bedpost had been damaged and beads were strewn across the floor, along with the lamp and clock, I've changed my mind on what happened. Due to HD's weird actions that weekend (phone calls, crying, apologys), and the rubber glove showing up after his last trip, and his lie about when he last saw Tara, I feel that he is the #1 POI, even though I still don't see much of a motive. Maybe she broke up with him and told him he was too short, his face too red, and he should bathe more often. Perhaps he decided that if he couldn't continue seeing her, no one would. It may boil down to the fact that men have a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time. imho

[Brainstorm]

Good post, Letree, as far as motive, I believe Tara was threatening to tell HDs' wife about their affair. He had been "having his cake and eating it too" for a while.That would have destroyed his family,his reputation so IMO HD
silenced her.

[Esah]

Merrick, about Tara's car. I don't think a perp would take her car and leave their dna and then bring it back. What purpose would that serve other than to hang them? I firmly believe that if Tara's car was used it would have been disposed of, possibly even burnt.

The possible reason for the seat being back, could be that Tara was gathering her belongings up from the passenger seat and wanted to only make one trip, so she pushed her seat back to allow more room. I have done this very thing. Also, if she parked too close to the wall in her carport, it may have prevented her from openning that door.

Results, you asked me what I thought happened next, after HD was sent away and the timing of that. I 'feel' that the HD rendezvous was short lived and most likely ended around midnight. I think Tara did call someone else and they got there pronto. Only, they took the situation into their own hands and surprised Tara by urging her to grab a few things and leave with him, in his black truck. My insights pick up where this scenario leaves off. Too much to write here and you all know by now what I think happened, so I won't repeat it. Just suffice it to say that I feel another ex-boyfriend has been left out of the equation.

And of course this is all JMIO, just my intuitive opinion!

[Results]

SNIP

Results, you asked me what I thought happened next, after HD was sent away and the timing of that. I 'feel' that the HD rendezvous was short lived and most likely ended around midnight. I think Tara did call someone else and they got there pronto. Only, they took the situation into their own hands and surprised Tara by urging her to grab a few things and leave with him, in his black truck. My insights pick up where this scenario leaves off. Too much to write here and you all know by now what I think happened, so I won't repeat it. Just suffice it to say that I feel another ex-boyfriend has been left out of the equation.

And of course this is all JMIO, just my intuitive opinion!

I didn't know your POI was another ex-boyfriend. Why would GBI let her ex-boyfriend process her car? hmmmmmmmm

[dixinites]

Or, it could have been rejection. HD might have thought the relationship with Tara was going further than Tara had intended and he told his wife about it only to find out from Tara that she was through with him, IMO. Either way, sometime after speaking to HD at 10:20 pm on Saturday, Oct 22, 2005, Tara disappeared, seemingly off the face of the earth. JMHO.

That's a strong possibility, IMO, especially in light of their appearing in public together at the GA Fair. I'm still thinking the car seat was moved by MrP. taking it to be washed, but that's JMO.

I'm also guessing that the fact that Tara wasn't over MH didn't sit well with HD either. Why else would she call on MH's parents, and not HD, to come and get her when she was "too upset to drive home" a few weeks before she disappeared? I think there was a little "drama" involved there...but I wouldn't think HD would be very happy to hear of it.

[mooloo]

This may be the quote of the year.....:beer:


It may boil down to the fact that men have a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time. imho

[fsbiii]

MOO! I expected better from you when it comes to denigrating the male species!! I am hurt to my core. This phrase should properly read:

"It may boil down to the ALLEGED fact that MOST men have a brain and SHOULD HAVE a penis, and only ALLEGEDLY enough blood to SUPPOSEDLY run one at a time..."

This may be the quote of the year.....:beer:

[Brainstorm]

Does anyone here believe that HD will ever be questioned again and we will hear from authorities concerning his involvment or lack of in Taras' dissapearence?
JMHO

[Esah]

Or....
"It is only heresay that men have brains, but a proven fact that they do have a penis, and merely speculation that they have ever used the blood supply with the right part of said anatomy at the appropriate time,.. allegedly.

[Esah]

Results, you don't miss a thing!

Brainstorm, that is a good question. Unfortunately, as long as the case is open, most facts are closed.

[dixinites]

Or....
"It is only heresay that men have brains, but a proven fact that they do have a penis, and merely speculation that they have ever used the blood supply with the right part of said anatomy at the appropriate time,.. allegedly.

I think my avatar clearly states my views on the subject...lol. With a few exceptions duly noted, for those among us bearing that extra "part".

[fsbiii]

Don't forget the JMOO!!!

Or....
"It is only heresay that men have brains, but a proven fact that they do have a penis, and merely speculation that they have ever used the blood supply with the right part of said anatomy at the appropriate time,.. allegedly.

[mooloo]

A thousand pardons, Fizzy. I most certainly was not even REMOTELY thinking that you fall into this category!! Absolutely not. No way. Fuggedaboudit!


MOO! I expected better from you when it comes to denigrating the male species!! I am hurt to my core. This phrase should properly read:

"It may boil down to the ALLEGED fact that MOST men have a brain and SHOULD HAVE a penis, and only ALLEGEDLY enough blood to SUPPOSEDLY run one at a time..."

[Brainstorm]

I used to have one of THOSE,but he left me for another woman.
MOO

[One2Snoop]

:eek: Hmmmm this is certainly an interesting conversaton. LOL :lol:

[dixinites]

Not to interrupt the "male bashing" (JUST KIDDING!!!), but can anyone tell me if there is an unwritten rule about how long dormant threads can be accessed? Are they just deleted after a given time?

I was looking for the "Predictions" thread and can't seem to find it...is this where I have to use the Google cache retrieval? TIA to anyone who will clarify.

[One2Snoop]

Not to interrupt the "male bashing" (JUST KIDDING!!!), but can anyone tell me if there is an unwritten rule about how long dormant threads can be accessed? Are they just deleted after a given time?

I was looking for the "Predictions" thread and can't seem to find it...is this where I have to use the Google cache retrieval? TIA to anyone who will clarify.

Threads are never deleted that I'm aware of unless there's alot of :no: :no: bashing/unrelated stuff being said. Sometimes FW will merge topics - I bumped the Predications thread for you. :seeya:

[The R]

Or....
"It is only heresay that men have brains, but a proven fact that they do have a penis, and merely speculation that they have ever used the blood supply with the right part of said anatomy at the appropriate time,.. allegedly.

Well then, I guess I shouldn't mention where, according to the Good Book, woman came from originally? ......


:seeya:


R (ducking for cover)

[Results]

I used to have one of THOSE,but he left me for another woman.
MOO

Is he a cop by chance?

[Brainstorm]

No way,just more blood going to that part than his brain!!

[dixinites]

Well then, I guess I shouldn't mention where, according to the Good Book, woman came from originally? ......


:seeya:


R (ducking for cover)

For the record, I did say there were exceptions...present company included...

[dixinites]

Just a quick note, O/T. TY to everyone on these forums who have been so helpful. There are alot of good minds on here...and many kind hearts. There are some of fruitloops, as well, and we all know who they are.

I have never read, nor participated in any FORUMS, until I came across this case. Not that any probably cares, but I think that Tara is fortunate at least, to have so many people who DO care and are trying to fit the peices together to bring closure to this case. It's a good team! Just wish we had more to work with...

[The R]

For the record, I did say there were exceptions...present company included...

Just joining in the fun earlier and having a laugh.......:)

More than likely the original observation is on the mark, though sad the thought of it might be......


R

[Esah]

Well then, I guess I shouldn't mention where, according to the Good Book, woman came from originally? ......

Ya know, I've always thought that this was a typo. A mistranslation. The Greek word for brain is reeb. So if man so kindly allowed God to make woman out of it, well then, that would make all the sense in the world, now wouldn't it?!! Woman being made out of a rib just never has sat right with me. I mean why give up a rib to make woman with, when a reeb is so much more functional? And since man wasn't using it anyway, well there ya have it!

[sogalady]

Esah, you are SO very smart, I have always known this to be a fact but you just keep proving it over and over !

[Results]

snip
Maybe she broke up with him and told him he was too short, his face too red, and he should bathe more often. Perhaps he decided that if he couldn't continue seeing her, no one would. imho

Do you know HD? I don't recall anyone ever saying anything about his appearance. TIA

[Results]

this is PRECISELY why i thought it was better to nicely ASK letree more about what she may know. nicely ask.

You need to mind your own business. I wasn't speaking to you and when I do speak to you trust me you will know. Now that should take care of that!

[sogalady]

this is PRECISELY why i thought it was better to nicely ASK letree more about what she may know. nicely ask.

Kath, Take if from the wise, when Results is addressing you, I promise that you will have NO doubts. Yes, this "butt-in-remark" was made nicely 'cause I KNOW when I have and have not been addressed.

Like I said,, " just a word from the wise."

[The R]

Ya know, I've always thought that this was a typo. A mistranslation. The Greek word for brain is reeb. So if man so kindly allowed God to make woman out of it, well then, that would make all the sense in the world, now wouldn't it?!! Woman being made out of a rib just never has sat right with me. I mean why give up a rib to make woman with, when a reeb is so much more functional? And since man wasn't using it anyway, well there ya have it!

well, there you go.....guess I understand now...... ;) if only I could get some of that blood to circulate.......

Just always remember the old 'Chinese' saying, "It takes two to tango."


Ciao,
R

[PNut]

this is PRECISELY why i thought it was better to nicely ASK letree more about what she may know. nicely ask.

Kath, I don't know if you are purposefully TRYING to bait Results or not. If not, please understand, Results is extremely knowledgable about Tara's case, and a very direct person.

If you ARE trying to - then I got $5 on Results.

[Esah]

Just to be clear, I think men are wonderful. They are even better than chocolate, and that is the highest compliment I can give them!



Kathmandu, you seem a bit edgy lately, are you okay? I mean this sincerely. It's hard to make words sound the way you want them to. You have to keep in mind how long many of us have been on this case and how edgy we can get too. I really appreciate your new approach to old issues. Just try to remember that we have chewed up and spit out more ideas, theories and poi's than we care to think about. But that doesn't mean we can't listen to them one more time. Maybe you are the missing piece. I hope someone figures this out soon. Thank you for your help.

Esah

[Esah]

we posted so close to each other, I didn't see your's first. :)

[Results]

pardon. i'm here as part of a PUBLIC group of concerned people with no intention of being rude to anyone. this message board is public for adults who want to learn more about tg's disappearance and discuss it. i hope we see see more people here for that same reason. it means more hearts and minds here for tara. :rose:

my comment was made nicely with no rudeness intended. it's hard to get the inflection of what is said unless it's heard. it happens all the time. wish we had a way to hear each other, then things might not come across quite so testy. :punch:

I asked a poster a question and I did not slap this person upside the wall and say you better give me some answers. I was nice so your post made no sense but to attack me. Your agenda is hidden not mine. I have been doing wonderful without you telling me how to post and I'm sure I can make the rest of the way without your instructions on how I should post. Now this time I hope we have settled that.

[Brainstorm]

Kath, in one of your earlier posts you had a WHOLE LIST of questions and concerns about HD,AG,LG and FG, IIRC, .My question is why should we bring up old worn out topics,when it seems to me we are narrowing(IMO) the field down with our discussions ?

[odette]

this is PRECISELY why i thought it was better to nicely ASK letree more about what she may know. nicely ask.

Good grief!! .. you just don't give up do you .. you tried it on with me yesterday, telling me how I should and should not post, and now you're at it again with someone else. Unbelievable!.

Do us a favor and stop trying to tell other members of this board how to post.

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Does anyone here believe that HD will ever be questioned again and we will hear from authorities concerning his involvment or lack of in Taras' dissapearence?
JMHO

Bumping Brainstorms post - I think these are good questions - anyone have any thoughts on this?

[readmylips]

Results,I do not appreciate you using profanity and calling me a DUMB*SS,

Odette and Results, please stop trying to inflate this into something it's not.

ODETTE,I commented to YOU about nicely asking letree a question, hoping we may learn if Letree knew HD and if so, what else could we learn if we were cordial to letree?

Odette snapped off at the neck and told me not to tell her how to post. TYVM.

Then, Results posted on down the line asking if Letree knows HD.

I replied to Results post by saying that's precisely why I thought it was better (for Odette) to ask Letree nicely, which results did. Maybe Letree would tell us something if we were nice?{A lot of locals won't post here because people are intimidating and rude, so, imo we don't need to resist anything new if somebody is bringing it to the board.}

Results, your question to Letree was not rude in any way ftr. I also wanted to know if Letree know HD. When i replied to you (go back and read my comment to Odette and then see how it unfolds) it meant that you asked exactly what I wanted to know and i said it's precisely why I said Odette should have asked nicely, (instead of stopping any flow of info in its tracks.)

But Results, you said yourself that my comment didn't make sense so you just ASSUMED it was an attack on you and then you combusted in the 2 seconds it took to misinterpret it.It didn't make sense to ya 'cause you weren't reading it in complete context with my post to Odette.

Now,you won't discuss this in private messages with me like I requested to keep all the others from having to waste time to read it, and you chose to call me a DUMB*SS on the forum instead of in private? i'm sorry, but no matter how I feel about any one person's views here, i will not resort to name calling, nor do i think anyone else should as a simple gesture of respect for others who just don't wanna hear it,and out of respect for Tara by not having folks act like morons to each other in such a time of crisis.

I've explained it to you both. It's right here for anyone that cares to do so to go back and read in the PROPER context. If you take it OUT OF CONTEXT, you'll miss the meaning, but for the last time, i was not telling Results how to post, what to ask, how to do anything at all. If any of comments prior to this circus could have been read wrong, it was the one I made to Odette. I can see why she though I was telling her what to do cause after reading it back, i guess i was. I told Odette to try asking NICELY but i didn't think of how it would sound when it was read in 'forum land' when I typed it out.

Sorry to Odette and Results, but it's just not what you've tried to turn this into. It's just not. Now, if you don't mind, i don't prefer to waste any more time on this kind of stuff. It's non productive to this forum.

Oh, btw, results, you and I have chatted in another area before, so I'm clearly aware of you knowledge and time spent here. I'm glad you are still here fwiw. i think we are here for the same reasons.

kath,

your post to odette in regard to the post made to letree was inappropriate imo. no way around it. odette's post to letree was a simple statement of fact that cleared up a statement letree made that was mistaken but posted as if it were fact. if someone new (like yourself) came along and read letree's post without a correction it would be assumed it was correct. you were out of line to chastize odette imo. so, simply put, therein lies the issue.

my advice to you is to focus on the content and context of your own posts and leave those of others alone.

and ftr i read your wording to results to be insinuating she is acting like a moron so the high horse act of don't call me names is no longer applicable. good for the goose is good for the gander no matter how eloquent you may be or covert. name calling is name calling and it happens sometimes. thicken up and move on.

now lets put this childishness to bed and get back to the subject at hand.

[fsbiii]

Pass the apple juice, please.

[One2Snoop]

kath,
now lets put this childishness to bed and get back to the subject at hand.

Here Here! :beer:

[One2Snoop]

Pass the apple juice, please.

Would you like some painkillers with that? ;) LOL

[fsbiii]

No thanks! I was just thirsty...

[Results]

NOW, Letree maybe you can see my post this time! Do you know HD? I could have read more into your post or you know him. IF you would rather not say that is fine. TIA

[odette]

I can't seem to pin TG's abduction on anyone thats been mentioned. No one seems to have a motive strong enough to overcome the chance of being caught. I'm aware that people often kill in a fit of rage or heat of passion but I don't see that in any of these POIs. The only exception might be AV but he had an alibi and passed a polygraph test. MH had spurned her and yet she still seemed to love him, so no reason for murder there. HD would certainly have enough sense as a police captain to know he couldn't get away with murder while hanging around her house, making many phone calls to her and her family, leaving his card in her door, and visiting her neighbors to discuss her whereabouts. If she were pregnant with his child, he might want her to disappear but would use a more covert method. I believe that Tara had met and became interested in someone that we are unaware of. They had agreed to meet at her house at 11:00 pm. She arrived a few minutes after 11, went in and hurriedly changed clothes. While in the bathroom she received a call on her house phone. It was one of the girls in the sweet potatoe pageant thanking her for her help. Tara finished dressing, placed her dead cellphone in it's cradle, grabbed her purse (containing her car keys), locked the door and went out to meet her latest fling. They drove out of town to begin (or end) the rest of their lives.

Letree .. I just wanted to comment on what you said in your above post regarding 'motive'. "No one seems to have a motive strong enough to overcome the chance of being caught." That's just it .. most people who murder someone don't think that they will be caught .. they think that they can get away with it and whatever motivated them in the first place apparently seems to override the risk that they will be caught.

Here is part of an excellent post by Amy, which I read yesterday, over on the Nona Dirksmeyer thread regarding her thoughts on motive.

Amy
Criime Library Supreme Member
Post #1347
Yesterday, 10:42 AM
The Murder of Nona Dirksmeyer

<snip> NO MATTER WHAT MOTIVE anyone comes up with for any murder--it NEVER makes sense to the majority of the people in the world. MOST PEOPLE do NOT murder just because something has gone wrong in a relationship, because they would like the money from an insurance policy, because the kids are in the way of a new relationship, or for any reason, really. MOST people work thru it, around it, and get on with their lives. Unfortunately, there are some people who just don't have a clue and actually think killing the "problem" will solve everything. <snip>
IMO

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=8802491#post8802491

JMHO

[One2Snoop]

Amy's post makes alot of sense to me.

I keep up with the latest news as I'm sure most of you do and many times when I read about someone being murdered LE will state - "we don't know what the motive is yet". Sometimes they don't know the motive until the perp is caught. With Tara I believe this is the case since there was very little left behind ( at least what we know about) as far as evidence is concerned. IMHO, JMO

[Brainstorm]

I didn't know your POI was another ex-boyfriend. Why would GBI let her ex-boyfriend process her car? hmmmmmmmm

Am I way off here or did HD process her car?
JMO

[One2Snoop]

Am I way off here or did HD process her car?
JMO

Not that I'm aware of. This was posted by a local awhile back...

04-13-2006, 10:15 AM
longcoolwoman
Member Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 44

Just FYI, after the Greta piece where a film crew went into Tara's house I ran into GBI Agent Turner and point-blank asked him WHY that was allowed, why the house wasn't sealed off, and why the car and clothes weren't taken in for evidence. He told me that they (I'm assuming he meant the GBI) had gone through everything three times and had all the evidence they could get.

Like J4T said, Mr. P was an innocent bystander in all this. A lot of people were in and out of that house right at the beginning, but in their defense, they were just looking for clues as to where Tara might have gone. It did not occur to them it might be a crime scene. They now know that in retrospect, but as they say, hindsight's 20/20.

[fsbiii]

Allegedly, an officer from Ben Hill County LE did the fingerprinting on Tara's car under GBI's watch that afternoon. This Ben Hill LE guy and Tara allegedly had a relationship of some nature, and yes, he's married. He's no longer with Ben Hill LE and is Chief of Police in another town. JHilton or HDyk had no contact with the car (in any LE capacity) that I know/have heard of. Several months after October, AG/LG sent the car to be luminol'd, etc., and then many posters started saying the GBI had it "stripped down" and was holding onto it for evidence, supposedly.

Someone correct me if any of that is off. I feel like I'm getting rusty.

[Aussie]

I really haven't ever heard anyone say HD processed the car so imo, that's incorrect, but I have read on the board about another officer from a neighboring town being called in to do some sort of processing due to a lack of an experienced person in the OPD to do so. I could be wrong, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if so. I do recall AG saying that the car was sent to MACON for something, was this fingerprinting? was JH connected to any processing of the car?

From memory I thought it was an officer with the initials JDA who had also previously dated Tara. I stand to be corrected, but that is what I remember being discussed

[Aussie]

sorry FSBIII didn't see your replied before I replied.

[concernedperson]

Amy's post makes alot of sense to me.

I keep up with the latest news as I'm sure most of you do and many times when I read about someone being murdered LE will state - "we don't know what the motive is yet". Sometimes they don't know the motive until the perp is caught. With Tara I believe this is the case since there was very little left behind ( at least what we know about) as far as evidence is concerned. IMHO, JMO

If any of you follow missing/abducted/murdered people than you know motive is in the eye of the beholder. This gives profilers a job. But every circumstance is the perps own needs. I break it down to selfishness and greed. Almost every crime falls into these categories. The grey areas are the perps...why and when! It doesn't matter to the victim and it certainly doesn't matter to the people that love them.

The victim is either gone or hurt irreparably or on a long road to recovery.The perp is siding with defense attornies taking psychotrophic drugs hoping for an insanity defense or a misstep in the prosecution. I am going to side with LE as they have a long hard job with, I might add, very little compensation.

It is a system that plays in repeat so often. LE knows the prosecutor is going to demand certain things and wants a tight wrapped up case. Sometimes it isn't.

Our system may not be perfect but it is based on constitutional rights. Then sometimes the rights are re-victimized by the system. This leaves the victim.
This leaves us. We keep digging and hopefully a public with understanding will give a clue much like Mitchell Hult (Ben Ownby/Shawn Hornbeck survival and rescue).It was an action taken by a teenager that saved two lives forever.

So, certainly there are adults out there who can help this missing person, Tara Grinstead. It doesnt matter how small and if you are not certain of submitting it I will for you. Totally anonymous. No questions asked.

[fsbiii]

IMO, the seat was moved back immediately upon Mr. P sitting in the car to look around. He did that first thing Monday morning, perhaps before LE even got there. I think the seat is a non-issue, personally. I also think LE agrees and only AG went on tv a few times with the 'seat' comment. JMOO.

[Results]

Please pass the apple juice! Thank you!

[Results]

We have new rules. NO DDAP = Don't drink and post. NO DDDAP = Don't do drugs and post! Your cooperation in this matter will be very much appreciated. Everyone have a nice day! ;)

[concernedperson]

We have new rules. NO DDAP = Don't drink and post. NO DDDAP = Don't do drugs and post! Your cooperation in this matter will be very much appreciated. Everyone have a nice day! ;)

Huh? New rules? Give us a line by line as I am obviously outside of the loop. Sorry but you must be on a roll of something that has nothing to do with regular posters. I am beginning to think that your intensity needs a rest. No disrespect but we all want Tara found and have for a long time. This rule business is not of your choosing.

[fsbiii]

I think Results was being a jokester with the "new rules"! *LOL*

[One2Snoop]

I think Results was being a jokester with the "new rules"! *LOL*

Me too! :tongue: *LOL*

[Results]

I figured it has had alot of tension in here so I tried to chill the ice with a joke. I thought that the winking at the end would show I was joking!

[One2Snoop]

I figured it has had alot of tension in here so I tried to chill the ice with a joke. I thought that the winking at the end would show I was joking!

I agree and we knew you were just joking around Results! :beer:

[One2Snoop]

Posted by kathmandu
imo, the field is narrowing down only because the interested users are dwindling, not because everybody is aligned with one belief.


Please correct me if I'm wrong - you're saying people aren't interested in discussing this topic because there's nothing new to talk about and not everyone agree's with the info thats been forth coming?

I disagree.

i say let's roll this back to day ONE and go from the gate, revisit everything to see what may have been missed.

please let us know what new info you might find - a new perspective is always welcome. JMO :read:

[fsbiii]

My advice to you is to read everything there is about this case and then field some questions. It is bothersome to answer a question and then come back a day later and get "challenged" to prove your info (or opinion) by someone who hasn't "brushed up" on the information that's been lingering over a year. I get a strange 'vibe' from you and your postings every time I read one, and I'm not sure why.

fsb, can you show me where i can i read more about the neighbor saying that he got into the car? maybe that would clear up my questions? :shrug:maybe there's threads on the board that quote him or a transcript link where he says he got in and sat down in the car to try to find tg? tia

i'm NOT saying he didn't, i'm asking to find where i can brush up on that info.

[Esah]

Kath, there are 66 pages on this thread alone. Read all 66 and report back here by noon with your summation!! lol Just to be clear, that was a joke!

Happy Friday everyone!

[readmylips]

Kath, there are 66 pages on this thread alone. Read all 66 and report back here by noon with your summation!! lol Just to be clear, that was a joke!

Happy Friday everyone!

it may have been a joke but it isn't a bad suggestion. for those of us who have been here and actively discussing for 14 or 15 months now it is tiresome to be asked questions that were answered 12 months ago. please dont ask someone else to do your research for you. if someone who has obviously been an active member for the long haul offers some info and it goes unchallenged by another member of the long haul group then i say take it for face value. if you want to verify it there is no harm in that but you then have the responsibility to seek out that information yourself. the gathering of information has been a long, slow, tedious process and i for one am not willing to do the legwork for someone who doesnt want to do it for themself. just my not so humble opinion.

on the suggestion by kath that we go back and ask the same questions over again. no. i disagree. if you find something of value that can be approached from a different angle with a valid line of questioning then ok. but am i willing to go beat old dead horses just for the sake of doing it? no, i'm not. of course i can't speak for anyone else but that is my viewpoint on that subject.

[fsbiii]

IMO, too many dead horses have been beaten along the way to where we are now. I'm all for protecting the horses at this point. If they are dead, let them rest in peace.

[mooloo]

I'm with Fizz.....110%. Anyone who wants to know about the horses that have been beaten to death can go back and read everything from the beginning.

Maybe it is just my crabbiness showing, but whenever the old things are brought up by someone who is new and that person is advised to read from the beginning and doesn't, I have a problem with that. I don't feel it is the job of the lifers here to update everyone as they come aboard.

Having said that....let me go see if I forgot my meds this a.m.

IMO, too many dead horses have been beaten along the way to where we are now. I'm all for protecting the horses at this point. If they are dead, let them rest in peace.

[Results]

I know that you are a new member here and I think you are very sincere in trying to find out what happened to Tara. Please know that your PM is welcomed anytime to me. I appreciate your honesty and I hope that you will continue to post here.

[fsbiii]

IMO, you are quite a transparent troublemaker, no matter which name you use or how you spew your words on the screen. If you have something to say, say it, take a pill, and move on to your next persona. Please.

(ps) Consider yourself belittled and bullied, too.


i guess if i was guilty of something it would benefit me to belittle or bully somebody away from certain topics or resist helping anyone still willing to give energy to this.

[fsbiii]

It's much easier to just jump in, pick a new name, claim a longtime following of the case, and agitate everyone with questions and tidbits of information that you claim to have read or seen somewhere in the past. JMOO.

[QUOTE=kathmandu;8803122]

If you go to the Tara Grinstead Forum threads page, near the bottom on the left hand side, you'll be able to query all threads from the start of the forum. Take your pick, there are 134 threads, and start reading. JMHO.

[Brainstorm]

IMO, the seat was moved back immediately upon Mr. P sitting in the car to look around. He did that first thing Monday morning, perhaps before LE even got there. I think the seat is a non-issue, personally. I also think LE agrees and only AG went on tv a few times with the 'seat' comment. JMOO.

I believe this came from AG,kath, and is a non issue.
ANY NEWS ABOUT H**** D**** ? ANYONE?
JMOO

[readmylips]

[QUOTE=fsbiii;8802916] It is bothersome to answer a question and then come back a day later and get "challenged" to prove your info (or opinion) by someone who hasn't "brushed up" on the information that's been lingering over a year. QUOTE]

i said at end of my post that i wasn't disputing you, just having a bit of trouble finding answers.IF those specific questions were answered here and somebody can show me where then i apologize for not being able to find them but i don't apologize for trying to get the facts straight. there can never be too many people making sure their facts are straight imo.

i wonder how many poi's have told LE they are tired of going over their statements if asked to go over it again?

i sure can see why some get burned out but maybe there's someone not quite as burdened with revisiting things? i just don't think it's beneficial to underestimate the importance of another person's reasons for asking any question.i guess if i was guilty of something it would benefit me to belittle or bully somebody away from certain topics or resist helping anyone still willing to give energy to this.

:rose:

i take great offense to that last sentence ftr. your interpretation of being bullied or belittled is unfortunate and imo inaccurate. on the contrary, some of your questions/inquiries are at times tiresome, annoying, off topic, scattered, incoherent and sometimes just downright aggravating. if you find that to be bullying or belittling then so be it. its my opinion. call it what you want to call it.

you can say you weren't disputing but the fact is that you were. i can say i am not aggravated with you right now but the fact is i am and if you read my words it is pretty clear.

now consider this, all of the information gathered by the people who have been here for the long haul may or may not have come from a thread on ctv. furthermore, even if it did come from a ctv thread it may have been deleted in the midst of historic antics that required deletion of entire threads. that happened quite often at one point. so once again i will say that for anyone to expect someone to provide you a reference to this or that at this point is unreasonable. if you dont want to embrace what is said as fact then pass it by and come to your own conclusions. simple as that. make you own determinations. when all is said and done and the fat lady sings it won't matter a hill of beans what any one of us thinks anyway so we're all entitled to our own thoughts whether they agree or not.

now, can we please stop this waah waah bs and get back to the flippin subject? and no i am not aggravated. i don't care how aggravated i sound.

:mad:

[BroadwayJoe]

it may have been a joke but it isn't a bad suggestion. for those of us who have been here and actively discussing for 14 or 15 months now it is tiresome to be asked questions that were answered 12 months ago. please dont ask someone else to do your research for you. if someone who has obviously been an active member for the long haul offers some info and it goes unchallenged by another member of the long haul group then i say take it for face value. if you want to verify it there is no harm in that but you then have the responsibility to seek out that information yourself. the gathering of information has been a long, slow, tedious process and i for one am not willing to do the legwork for someone who doesnt want to do it for themself. just my not so humble opinion.

on the suggestion by kath that we go back and ask the same questions over again. no. i disagree. if you find something of value that can be approached from a different angle with a valid line of questioning then ok. but am i willing to go beat old dead horses just for the sake of doing it? no, i'm not. of course i can't speak for anyone else but that is my viewpoint on that subject.

RML I don't often respond to you because it's just too tiresome you know, but you said "for those of us who have been here and actively discussing for 14 or 15 months now...." and I could not fail to notice your join date of August, 2006. I'm not a professional Mathematian, but....

I think you should let Kat address any questions she wishes without a lot of grief. If it finds Tara, how could that be a bad thing? JMHO.

And who is the "long haul group"? Should not there be just ONE group?

Again, JMHO.

[fsbiii]

IMO, there is just one group. It took a while to make that obvious, but the long haul group is pretty easy to define. The crazies all seemed to disappear over the last few months as AG faded herself. Strange, huh?

Kath isn't addressing questions--she's agitating and implying ridiculousness in her attempt to "seem" harmless. It's not the first rodeo, either.

Your support of kath, and jabs at RML, are to be expected, BJ. I'm surprised it took this long.

[readmylips]

RML I don't often respond to you because it's just too tiresome you know, but you said "for those of us who have been here and actively discussing for 14 or 15 months now...." and I could not fail to notice your join date of August, 2006. I'm not a professional Mathematian, but....

I think you should let Kat address any questions she wishes without a lot of grief. If it finds Tara, how could that be a bad thing? JMHO.

And who is the "long haul group"? Should not there be just ONE group?

Again, JMHO.

bj, i could care less about your thoughts, beliefs, opinions, questions, theories, etc. you can assume whatever you want to assume. the value of your thoughts were proven to me long, long ago. so let's play nice and go back to ignoring each other.

i am sure kath appreciated your attempted defense though. good try. :rolleyes:

[Brainstorm]

BJ, any answers to our questions concerning HD? LDT results? Alibis'?
JMO

[BroadwayJoe]

BJ, any answers to our questions concerning HD? LDT results? Alibis'?
JMO
If I had any important information regarding HD, I would pass it along. HD has never been a suspect in this matter, so that's most likely why information is scarce as to the questions you and others have proposed, i.e. LDT results, etc. I don't think HD was asked to take a LDT, therefore there would be no results to it. I don't have any knowledge of an alibi, or if he gave one, or if he was asked to give one. It is my personal opinion that HD had nothing to do with the disappearance of Tara, but you are all entitled to your own opinions, so carry on.

[BroadwayJoe]

bj, i could care less about your thoughts, beliefs, opinions, questions, theories, etc. you can assume whatever you want to assume. the value of your thoughts were proven to me long, long ago. so let's play nice and go back to ignoring each other.

i am sure kath appreciated your attempted defense though. good try. :rolleyes:

I come to anyone's "defense" that makes sense, and from what I've seen of her posts, she does make sense. I have not read back to all of them, and don't intend to, but it does appear to me that she is being forced off the forum of late by the insecurity (or something else?) of others, take it as you may, or not at all, it won't affect my thoughts in any event. JMHO.

BTW, you never "defended" yourself about the join date of August, 2006, yet you readily accuse others of "multiple nicknames". I will assume from your silence that you don't wish to dig yourself out of that great big hole.

No response necessary, as I will put you on ignore, as you wish.

[readmylips]

If I had any important information regarding HD, I would pass it along. HD has never been a suspect in this matter, so that's most likely why information is scarce as to the questions you and others have proposed, i.e. LDT results, etc. I don't think HD was asked to take a LDT, therefore there would be no results to it. I don't have any knowledge of an alibi, or if he gave one, or if he was asked to give one. It is my personal opinion that HD had nothing to do with the disappearance of Tara, but you are all entitled to your own opinions, so carry on.

value of thoughts. once again proven. thank you for demonstrating my point so well and so quickly. you are too kind. :beer:

just for clarification, if you honestly believe that hd has never been considered then you are living under a rock. anyone that had any semblence of a connection to her was or is being considered as potentially involved in her disappearance. and rightly so. none of us really know who was involved but according to le themselves NO ONE HAS BEEN RULED OUT. yes, i was yelling that part.

need some help moving that rock? ;)

[readmylips]

I come to anyone's "defense" that makes sense, and from what I've seen of her posts, she does make sense. I have not read back to all of them, and don't intend to, but it does appear to me that she is being forced off the forum of late by the insecurity (or something else?) of others, take it as you may, or not at all, it won't affect my thoughts in any event. JMHO.

BTW, you never "defended" yourself about the join date of August, 2006, yet you readily accuse others of "multiple nicknames". I will assume from your silence that you don't wish to dig yourself out of that great big hole.

No response necessary, as I will put you on ignore, as you wish.

of course she makes sense to you. :lol: that was supposed to surprise me?

and no, you didn't see a defense because i dont feel a need to defend anything. i haven't accused anyone of anything tmk but i can be corrected if you want to go searching for documentation that says otherwise.

these little games got old a long, long time ago.

oh but you have me a little wistful. how did that song go? hummm along.

Mem’ries,
Like the corners of my mind
Misty water-colored memories
Of the way we were

[fsbiii]

BJ, why in the hell would you dismiss HD so non-chalantly? That is odd, just based on the facts we DO know about him... You don't know about LDT or alibi, but you dismiss him as being a POI? Why?

[readmylips]

BJ, why in the hell would you dismiss HD so non-chalantly? That is odd, just based on the facts we DO know about him... You don't know about LDT or alibi, but you dismiss him as being a POI? Why?

oooooo oooooo ooooo i know, i know! because living under a rock is very bad for the parts of the brain that drive logic skills?

did i get it right?

i think i will get on out of here on that note! g'night all!
:chicken:

[Brainstorm]

If I had any important information regarding HD, I would pass it along. HD has never been a suspect in this matter, so that's most likely why information is scarce as to the questions you and others have proposed, i.e. LDT results, etc. I don't think HD was asked to take a LDT, therefore there would be no results to it. I don't have any knowledge of an alibi, or if he gave one, or if he was asked to give one. It is my personal opinion that HD had nothing to do with the disappearance of Tara, but you are all entitled to your own opinions, so carry on.

HAS NEVER BEEN A SUSPECT IN THIS CASE?
WASN'T ASK TO TAKE A LDT?
WASN'T ASK TO GIVE AN ALIBI?

WHY NOT????????????

[Results]

If I had any important information regarding HD, I would pass it along. HD has never been a suspect in this matter, so that's most likely why information is scarce as to the questions you and others have proposed, i.e. LDT results, etc. I don't think HD was asked to take a LDT, therefore there would be no results to it. I don't have any knowledge of an alibi, or if he gave one, or if he was asked to give one. It is my personal opinion that HD had nothing to do with the disappearance of Tara, but you are all entitled to your own opinions, so carry on.

Where were you that weekend Tara disappeared? I know of another affair HD had so are you his new thing now? Oh my! Here we go again. You know GD didn't leave him the first time he had an affair but she did this time. I can only imagine what she was thinking since her husband wasn't home all weekend but in Tara's yard all weekend long and POOF Tara goes missing! Oh my, my, my! Yes, I am entitled to my opinion as well! JMHO

[concernedperson]

Where were you that weekend Tara disappeared? I know of another affair HD had so are you his new thing now? Oh my! Here we go again. You know GD didn't leave him the first time he had an affair but she did this time. I can only imagine what she was thinking since her husband wasn't home all weekend but in Tara's yard all weekend long and POOF Tara goes missing! Oh my, my, my! Yes, I am entitled to my opinion as well! JMHO

Does HD's affair coincide with Tara? I mean simultaneously with 2 women, not counting his wife or is this something that happened before Tara? Was AG the other paramour?

It is news to me so if you can clarify any of my questions I would appreciate it.

Also, a poster mentioned that HD was short and red faced and I wonder if that was accurate. You know what they say about short men....especially in light of the Napoleonic Complex.

[The R]

-snip-

Was AG the other paramour?

-snip-

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Now wait a minute CP!! That was my line......;)

[BroadwayJoe]

BJ, why in the hell would you dismiss HD so non-chalantly? That is odd, just based on the facts we DO know about him... You don't know about LDT or alibi, but you dismiss him as being a POI? Why?

I don't purposely try to be casual about my assumptions, but don't you think someone would know about it if HD passed OR failed a LDT? Since nothing has been learned about this, I must assume he wasn't asked to take one. SURELY it would be "forum knowledge" if he had REFUSED to take one, IMO. That's how I come to that conclusion, albeit casually in your eyes. No disrespect, JMHO.

[concernedperson]

I don't purposely try to be casual about my assumptions, but don't you think someone would know about it if HD passed OR failed a LDT? Since nothing has been learned about this, I must assume he wasn't asked to take one. SURELY it would be "forum knowledge" if he had REFUSED to take one, IMO. That's how I come to that conclusion, albeit casually in your eyes. No disrespect, JMHO.

I tend to agree that if he refused it would be public knowledge. But, if he passed wouldn't that be to his benefit to share? There is no way given his proximity to Tara and Tara's home over the weekend that he wouldn't be considered suspicious. So, either he has shared pertinent info that has cleared him or there is some other reason he isn't being questioned.

[dixinites]

If I had any important information regarding HD, I would pass it along. HD has never been a suspect in this matter, so that's most likely why information is scarce as to the questions you and others have proposed, i.e. LDT results, etc. I don't think HD was asked to take a LDT, therefore there would be no results to it. I don't have any knowledge of an alibi, or if he gave one, or if he was asked to give one. It is my personal opinion that HD had nothing to do with the disappearance of Tara, but you are all entitled to your own opinions, so carry on.

You referred in a previous post that responding to RML was "tiresome", and speaking of tiresome, you seem to be the only person that isn't aware that technically NO ONE is a suspect. Therefore, that is a moot statement which, for some reason, you seem to like to repeat (consequently, NO ONE has been cleared either). Your statement is redundant, therefore, I find your constant repetition of it "tiresome" as well.

As for passing along any info regarding HD...yeah, right, sure you would. Did you ever ask your "source with brains" about whether of not HD worked on Monday Oct 24, 2005? The question here being did you even ask? You never answered that one. Thought I'd give you one more chance, then I won't ask again...because it's getting so tiresome.

[Results]

I guess it is "JUSTICE FOR TARA" as long as it is not HD! We all know why he hasn't taken a LDT then because he would fail it. He couldn't even tell the truth in a short interview...low and behold a poly! Who cares its just Tara? No need investigating HD. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT! What is good for the men that had alibi's is darn sure good enough for the one who doesn't! JMHO

[BroadwayJoe]

I tend to agree that if he refused it would be public knowledge. But, if he passed wouldn't that be to his benefit to share? There is no way given his proximity to Tara and Tara's home over the weekend that he wouldn't be considered suspicious. So, either he has shared pertinent info that has cleared him or there is some other reason he isn't being questioned.

I agree, and as hard as it is, we all have to be patient.

[BroadwayJoe]

I guess it is "JUSTICE FOR TARA" as long as it is not HD! We all know why he hasn't taken a LDT then because he would fail it. He couldn't even tell the truth in a short interview...low and behold a poly! Who cares its just Tara? No need investigating HD. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT! What is good for the men that had alibi's is darn sure good enough for the one who doesn't! JMHO

I have to disagree, because I still believe if HD "refused" a LDT, everyone would know about it. Your post indicates he didn't take it due to his fear of failing it. That's refusal. We'd know. I believe he wasn't asked to take one because they saw no need.

[fsbiii]

But they saw a need to give one to Larry Gattis? Strange, indeed.

[BroadwayJoe]

You referred in a previous post that responding to RML was "tiresome", and speaking of tiresome, you seem to be the only person that isn't aware that technically NO ONE is a suspect. Therefore, that is a moot statement which, for some reason, you seem to like to repeat (consequently, NO ONE has been cleared either). Your statement is redundant, therefore, I find your constant repetition of it "tiresome" as well.

As for passing along any info regarding HD...yeah, right, sure you would. Did you ever ask your "source with brains" about whether of not HD worked on Monday Oct 24, 2005? The question here being did you even ask? You never answered that one. Thought I'd give you one more chance, then I won't ask again...because it's getting so tiresome.

As I said, I would pass along any info I had. I thought most would assume from that I had no "new information" from my source. To clarify for you, I have no new information, and would pass it along promptly if I did. I have no hidden agenda here, so please don't imply that I do.

And speaking of tiresome repeats, since you brought it up, didn't you and others ask the same question of me several times? It's very, yes, "tiresome" to read the same question over and over as well, especially when I indicated I'd post anything as soon as I knew. Asking the same question again and again doesn't make the results appear quicker. It just wastes bandwidth and reminds us of the childish "Are we there yet" Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" type questions.

No disrespect meant, but I really don't think you are being fair. JMHO.

[BroadwayJoe]

But they saw a need to give one to Larry Gattis? Strange, indeed.

Now that you mention it, that is strange. But I don't have an answer to that one.

[fsbiii]

Maybe because he was allegedly having sex with her? That seems like a good enough reason to poly a guy.

Now that you mention it, that is strange. But I don't have an answer to that one.

[readmylips]

As I said, I would pass along any info I had. I thought most would assume from that I had no "new information" from my source. To clarify for you, I have no new information, and would pass it along promptly if I did. I have no hidden agenda here, so please don't imply that I do.

And speaking of tiresome repeats, since you brought it up, didn't you and others ask the same question of me several times? It's very, yes, "tiresome" to read the same question over and over as well, especially when I indicated I'd post anything as soon as I knew. Asking the same question again and again doesn't make the results appear quicker. It just wastes bandwidth and reminds us of the childish "Are we there yet" Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" type questions.

No disrespect meant, but I really don't think you are being fair. JMHO.

wasting bandwidth? lol ok

[fsbiii]

Thank you, Merrick. I agree with the use of the words schizophrenic, unproductive, and delusional.

[fsbiii]

I need some juice. Goodnight!

[readmylips]

thank you broadway.i agree with the use of the word insecurity.

since you seem to know what bj meant by the reference to insecurity maybe you can explain it. it made no sense to me but i knew better than to waste bandwidth asking because we know bj is not so good at straight answers. how about you? since you agree with the use of the word insecurity maybe you could enlighten? it was pretty nonsensical to me.

[Results]

I have to disagree, because I still believe if HD "refused" a LDT, everyone would know about it. Your post indicates he didn't take it due to his fear of failing it. That's refusal. We'd know. I believe he wasn't asked to take one because they saw no need.

That is fine. You can't help me. You have no information on HD. See the problem is that I have tried to gather information about HD because I wanted to eliminate him but it keeps getting worse every time I hear from someone who knows him. These people want him to be innocent. These people say good things about him but they also tell the truth as another incident about another woman. I don't want him to be guilty but you know what he would not be in this investigation at all if he WOULD HAVE STAYED AT HOME WITH HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN. He was there at Tara's. It doesn't matter if anyone likes that are not. He was there and he drove away and did nothing. Excuse him all you want to but I say he has answers. Now because he is so protected we can't even eliminate him and we are just suppose to believe hey he was there all weekend and he lied but that is ok he is not a killer. Sorry that don't work for me. Everything points to him. JMHO

[dixinites]

As I said, I would pass along any info I had. I thought most would assume from that I had no "new information" from my source. To clarify for you, I have no new information, and would pass it along promptly if I did. I have no hidden agenda here, so please don't imply that I do.

And speaking of tiresome repeats, since you brought it up, didn't you and others ask the same question of me several times? It's very, yes, "tiresome" to read the same question over and over as well, especially when I indicated I'd post anything as soon as I knew. Asking the same question again and again doesn't make the results appear quicker. It just wastes bandwidth and reminds us of the childish "Are we there yet" Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" type questions.

No disrespect meant, but I really don't think you are being fair. JMHO.

Well, at least you FINALLY answered the tiresome repetitive question! TY!

I think the inference that you had sources with "brains", which one could interpret as meaning other's sources did not, was not very respectful. Then implying that you had this plethora of "inside" information regarding alibis and poly info on every POI in the case, except for one glaring exception, and expecting us to believe it, was insulting.

You then said you would ASK and never offered the results of this inquiry, even when directly asked. A simple yes or no would have saved alot of bandwidth. As for any hidden agenda, I don't know, but when you are asking others to answer your questions, it would be expected that you answer theirs, as well.

Likewise, no disrespect intended, JMO.

[dixinites]

SNIP>we are just a message board to discuss what we think about things and there's no obligation by LE to drop in, sip tea and sit a spell to tell us what's going on. <SNIP

Thank you for the timely reminder! I for one, had TOTALLY forgotten this was a message board! Pass the Chamomille, I think I'll go nite-nite on that one!

[Brainstorm]

I agree, and as hard as it is, we all have to be patient.

PATIENT HELL !!!!!!!!!!

Isn't Taras' MOTHER in bad health? IIRC she is.
Not only does she deserve answers about what happened to her daughter,she DESERVES HONEST ANSWERS.

[readmylips]

please stop harrassing me. go shine up an amulet or something.
gmab.if it was so nonsensical to you, why bother?lol you asked me so you could set up your own personal pleasure of telling me how i can't give a straight answer. how's this for a straight answer? NO, i refuse to engage in anything more with you. do not address me again.

thin skinned tonight i see. relax. it was just a question. you seemed to understand and i didn't. that is why i asked. if it made no sense to me but made sense to you doesnt it seem logical to ask? not sure how you found harrassment in that but to each his own i guess. lol interesting response. very interesting response. thanks.

[odette]

I wouldn't get too upset about BJ's post. IMO, BJ doesn't know, for a fact, that what he posted is true. Good Lord Almighty, HD was all over Tara's house the weekend she went missing and that's why LE ruled him out. HD left beau coup messages on Tara's phone saying he's sorry and that's why LE ruled him out. HD left his card on Tara's front door and that's why LE ruled him out. HD called FG from Tara's front yard and that's why LE ruled him out. Get real, HD has more reason to worry about being a POI than MH, SF, AV, JDA, LG or anyone else, JMHO.

Merrick .. ITA ... HD has more reason to worry about being a POI than the rest of them put together imo.

JMHO

[odette]

Where were you that weekend Tara disappeared? I know of another affair HD had so are you his new thing now? Oh my! Here we go again. You know GD didn't leave him the first time he had an affair but she did this time. I can only imagine what she was thinking since her husband wasn't home all weekend but in Tara's yard all weekend long and POOF Tara goes missing! Oh my, my, my! Yes, I am entitled to my opinion as well! JMHO

So, this isn't the first time that HD has had an extramarital affair?. Speaks volumes to me about the character of this individual.

FWIW I have been told by more than one person that GD was 'persuaded' to go back to her husband HD, regarding the 'Tara affair/disappearance', because it 'would look bad for him' if she didn't.

JMHO

[BroadwayJoe]

Maybe because he was allegedly having sex with her? That seems like a good enough reason to poly a guy.
I agree. But I also think that the "rumors and/or gossip" point more to HD having a relationship with Tara far more than they point to LG, so it still fails to answer the question of why HD wasn't given one doesn't it, IF it is believed that he did indeed have a relationship with her? I believe there's a very good reason why HD was not given a LDT and the public just doesn't know what it is yet, myself included. It's a bit early for my brain to be at full capacity so hopefully this post makes sense.

[Its just me]

So, this isn't the first time that HD has had an extramarital affair?. Speaks volumes to me about the character of this individual.

FWIW I have been told by more than one person that GD was 'persuaded' to go back to her husband HD, regarding the 'Tara affair/disappearance', because it 'would look bad for him' if she didn't.

JMHO
odette, I was told this also by someone who provided information that knew alot about HD and people in Hawkinsville as well as knew Tara for many years while she was in Hawkinsville.
FACTS: HD was one of the last people to talk to Tara. HD made many phone calls to Tara after the one while Tara was at the bbq. HD was in Ocilla at somepoint and possible he was in Ocilla as early as Sunday afternoon. According to Dr. G HD was sitting in Tara's yard at 12:15 am Monday morning. Where do an investigator start...Right at HD and if HD has never taken a LDT shame on someone. Just because he is in LE does not mean he is beyond being involved with Tara's disappearance and for any one on this board or anyone in LE to think this is not thinking completly through on this possiblilty. Just a hypo question...If you come home and you realize you have been robbed...There are tire tracks in your driveway that can be identified to a certain car and the owner of the car had connections with LE ...What would be your thoughts if the LE took what this person said at face value and not going deeper with a LDT. If HD has not been given a LDT this is exactly what has happened in Tara's case. I am not saying HD has not been given a LTD test but no one in LE has provided any information on this and if they have read ctv board or some other boards (which I believe was comfirmed by Chief Hancock) they know many people have questions concerning HD. If HD has been given a LDT is a very important question that almost demands an answer because all LE are public servants of the public and they owe the public answers. They do not owe information on what the LDT revealed but to assure the public they are indeed doing their job the answer to this question would speak volumes to how they are preforming their job. Plain and simple. And yes I do question some doing a professional job because of information I know is correct. (Not local LE) IJM

[fsbiii]

BJ--

IMO, there's no way HD hasn't taken a lie detector test...unless he refused. They can't make him do it, so I believe that's the only way he hasn't done one (if that is the case). You seem to indicate that the GBI "did not" or "did not need to" give HD a polygraph for some "secret" reason, and I don't buy into the secrets (cropdusters, voice-activated recorders, press conferences, CTV posters working for GBI/FBI, keys in the straw, etc.) I'm guessing you have no idea if HD has taken one or not, and you have no idea of the outcome, if he did. (Just like the rest of us "regular Joes.")

[BroadwayJoe]

Where were you that weekend Tara disappeared? I know of another affair HD had so are you his new thing now? Oh my! Here we go again. You know GD didn't leave him the first time he had an affair but she did this time. I can only imagine what she was thinking since her husband wasn't home all weekend but in Tara's yard all weekend long and POOF Tara goes missing! Oh my, my, my! Yes, I am entitled to my opinion as well! JMHO

Results, I'd love to hear more about this other affair you seem to have knowledge of. Funny how that information just pops out (for timing purposes) with no proof of any kind. The only way you'd know if it were fact is if YOU were the past "fling". Were you?

I'm positive I wasn't, and I will state that as fact. And if you knew the reason why, you'd be blushing under that cute hat.

And while I'm at it, let me respond to your question of where I was the weekend Tara disappeared. Let's see, hmmmm.....I don't recall. Because you see, I've never met Tara, and didn't even know about this case until after she disappeared, so, yes, that rules me out as the perp/killer/kidnapper/whatever today's belief is, as it were. And something I did realize when answering that question, is that most people would NOT specifically remember what they were doing that weekend, unless there was an event to base it on. I very honestly do not recall what I was doing that weekend, but I'm certain I'd remember if I'd taken a trip to Georgia and murdered someone. THAT, I would remember.

Take the time to read up on profilers in relation to alibi concepts. You might learn something valuable that you could bring to the board. Just a suggestion, because I think it would serve you well to be less critical and more open minded. JMHO, no offense intended to you Results.

[BroadwayJoe]

BJ--

IMO, there's no way HD hasn't taken a lie detector test...unless he refused. They can't make him do it, so I believe that's the only way he hasn't done one (if that is the case). You seem to indicate that the GBI "did not" or "did not need to" give HD a polygraph for some "secret" reason, and I don't buy into the secrets (cropdusters, voice-activated recorders, press conferences, CTV posters working for GBI/FBI, keys in the straw, etc.) I'm guessing you have no idea if HD has taken one or not, and you have no idea of the outcome, if he did. (Just like the rest of us "regular Joes.")
fsbiii I won't argue with you over if HD had taken a LDT or not, because I don't think it will do any good to argue with anyone over ANYthing. I know what I know, and you know what you know, so I'll just leave it at that, and not discuss that particular topic again.

I don't know any of the other secrets you list, but it sounds like they belong in a fantasy thread of some sort. No offense intended.

[fsbiii]

Sweet......

fsbiii I won't argue with you over if HD had taken a LDT or not, because I don't think it will do any good to argue with anyone over ANYthing. I know what I know, and you know what you know, so I'll just leave it at that, and not discuss that particular topic again.

I don't know any of the other secrets you list, but it sounds like they belong in a fantasy thread of some sort. No offense intended.

[odette]

I don't purposely try to be casual about my assumptions, but don't you think someone would know about it if HD passed OR failed a LDT? Since nothing has been learned about this, I must assume he wasn't asked to take one. SURELY it would be "forum knowledge" if he had REFUSED to take one, IMO. That's how I come to that conclusion, albeit casually in your eyes. No disrespect, JMHO.

I disagree.

Now, on the other hand, I'm fairly certain that we would have heard all about it had HD passed a LDT. We haven't. Did he take a LDT and fail?. Again we haven't heard, but then the GBI have been fairly 'tightlipped' when it comes to discussing any person of interest in this case. If HD has taken a LDT and failed, I would like to think that they would be looking at him very closely if that were the case. HD certainly wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops had he failed a LDT. imo

That leaves me with only one other choice and that is, he was asked to take a LDT but he refused.

If the latter is the case, one would have to ask WHY NOT?.

FWIW .. I'm going with the latter.

JMHO

[Its just me]

Maybe those in LE who know HD know him to be a cheater and a pathological liar, just speculating. Maybe they realize he lies so prolifically that an LDT would be useless, just speculating. There is NO GOOD REASON why LE hasn't given HD an LDT unless, under advice of counsel, he refused to take one. JMHO.

{{There is NO GOOD REASON why LE hasn't given HD an LDT unless, under advice of counsel, he refused to take one. }} I AGREE 100%

[readmylips]

it is entirely possible that hd took a ldt and it is not public knowledge. the gbi does not announce their actions. if lg had not gone on national television and announced to the world that he had taken a ldt we wouldn't know that he did. what did the gbi say their last press conference about who they were talking to and what they had done with them? or any le press conference for that matter, gbi or otherwise?

[Results]

Results, I'd love to hear more about this other affair you seem to have knowledge of. Funny how that information just pops out (for timing purposes) with no proof of any kind. The only way you'd know if it were fact is if YOU were the past "fling". Were you?

I'm positive I wasn't, and I will state that as fact. And if you knew the reason why, you'd be blushing under that cute hat.

And while I'm at it, let me respond to your question of where I was the weekend Tara disappeared. Let's see, hmmmm.....I don't recall. Because you see, I've never met Tara, and didn't even know about this case until after she disappeared, so, yes, that rules me out as the perp/killer/kidnapper/whatever today's belief is, as it were. And something I did realize when answering that question, is that most people would NOT specifically remember what they were doing that weekend, unless there was an event to base it on. I very honestly do not recall what I was doing that weekend, but I'm certain I'd remember if I'd taken a trip to Georgia and murdered someone. THAT, I would remember.

Take the time to read up on profilers in relation to alibi concepts. You might learn something valuable that you could bring to the board. Just a suggestion, because I think it would serve you well to be less critical and more open minded. JMHO, no offense intended to you Results.

HD has had an affair with another woman besides Tara that is known to anyone that knows him. GD did not leave HD over this affair but she did leave him over Tara's affair. Maybe she left because he did it again and that is all to it or maybe she thought that he wasn't home all weekend and POOF Tara went missing! Who knows except GD why she left and only GD knows why she went back. Many of us have been told she went back because of HD's parents...who knows but GD. I feel sorry for GD because it must be tough living with someone you can't trust. Affairs hurt and breakup homes. I'm not a profiler and I don't want to be a profiler. What I want is to bring Tara home. I'm not here for you or anyone else. I have never said that I was. I'm here for Tara that she may NEVER be forgotten and that we maybe able to bring her home. I won't side step around HD because HE WAS THERE. He made alot of choices that weekend that put him in the timeline and you or noone else can change that. You can fix a mistake but you can't fix what you did. You can hopefully learn from it but you have to live with what you did. He broke too many habits that weekend for it to be innocent. In your opinion I'm not educated enough to handle this case it shows. You have the right to your opinion. I know when 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4 there is a problem and HD isn't adding up so therefore there is a problem. I have been through every POI that has been named. The only one that I know that publicly lied is a Law Enforcement Officer, HD. If you can show me anyone else that lied please show me the way. I'm truly sorry that you are so blind that you cannot see. I don't take offense to anything that you said. I welcome any debate. No one has stepped up to answer questions about HD. I find that very odd indeed! JMHO

[RCM-715]

Thank you, Merrick. I agree with the use of the words schizophrenic, unproductive, and delusional.

fsbiii, Merrick: I agree with you. It's obvious Blow Joe is playing games. No matter how many times he states: No offense, IMO, etc. after making statements; it's just games. His input has served no value or additional info. I think he's from the AG/LG/HD cult. JMO

[RCM-715]

Results: Hope you haven't worked too hard this week! If I could say one thing to GD it would be....Why in the hell don't you leave this jerk?! I'm not for broken families, but it's obvious this family is already broken. GD would be better off without his baggage in my opinion! He's a loser! I'm going to talk with Harper this weekend. Hopefully he will bring something up re: the case and I can ask him a question or two. I ususally let him bring up the subject. BTW, you're questions are excellent. Let's keep asking them! I'd love to whip Blow Joe's ass! I know Harper would too!! He's got to be from the cult!-over-

[Results]

Results: Hope you haven't worked too hard this week! If I could say one thing to GD it would be....Why in the hell don't you leave this jerk?! I'm not for broken families, but it's obvious this family is already broken. GD would be better off without his baggage in my opinion! He's a loser! I'm going to talk with Harper this weekend. Hopefully he will bring something up re: the case and I can ask him a question or two. I ususally let him bring up the subject. BTW, you're questions are excellent. Let's keep asking them! I'd love to whip Blow Joe's ass! I know Harper would too!! He's got to be from the cult!-over-

I agree about GD. She has to be hurting over all of this. She is a very lovely lady and deserves much better then this. Tell MH hey! I don't think Blow Joe would be much of a challenge for you guys. Exactly the cult! Funny how they ignore HD lied about the last time he seen Tara but I know that soon it will be it was a typo afterall what else could it be! :patriot:

As always JMHO!

[Letree]

If Tara left town voluntarily, with or without someone's help, did she break any laws. I'm not trying to sidetrack anyone's theories. I have a reason for asking.

[fsbiii]

No. She may have broken her contract with the Irwin County Bd of Ed, but that's not breaking a law. If she left on her own, she hasn't broken any law, IMO.

If Tara left town voluntarily, with or without someone's help, did she break any laws. I'm not trying to sidetrack anyone's theories. I have a reason for asking.

[Results]

If Tara left town voluntarily, with or without someone's help, did she break any laws. I'm not trying to sidetrack anyone's theories. I have a reason for asking.

No, she would have not broken any law! JMO

[Letree]

Thank you for your replies. I will come back later with the reason I asked.