Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[FDInLaw]

I doubt it is all just publicity.. Besides, yes he is still somewhat older, depending on the other ages of the kids participating, but Dover is a VERY small, close nit community, and a lot of the people are very much behind Kevin Jones. If this is his home town church he has grown up in, I very much believe they are friends. If these people didn't want to consort with "a known murderer", they wouldn't do so, especially to appear publicly in the Atkins Chronicle newspaper and photo, and allow their name to be printed alongside his. I figure these people are pretty much in support of him. Just my thoughts....


The Jones family attends this church. Kevin is no stranger there. There are a lot of folks that support Kevin in Dover, but not everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the parents were upset that Kevin was there. Whether or not they feel free to say something is a different matter IMO.

[FDInLaw]

Ya know, he's not that much older than they are, and they are probably area kids he has known practically his whole life. Most of them are likely friends who don't see him as being guilty as do you.

Some of those kids were in jr. high when Kevin graduated. . . IMO that is quite a age gap. Who knows, maybe he was there just to hang out with the youth pastor?

[FDInLaw]

I agree that there is probably not 100% support of KJ. That'd be impossible. I agree that some probably were upset. At the same time, I can't imagine that those who did not agree did not have the opportunity to remove their kid from the activity. I cannot imagine that in that small of a community anyone would hold back their opinions. I feel those involved were well aware and chose to be there and were not forced to participate in a "publicity stunt" on KJ's behalf. I feel those that were there were there by their own, free choice. I would imagine that if someone in the curch didn't support him, KJ's mere presence would have them run off by now. :shrug: Just my thoughts.....


With a lot of youth activities, parents simply drop their kids off or the kids drive themselves or get a ride. . . the fact that Kevin was participating could have easily been unknown to many of the parents until after the event. MOO

[FDInLaw]

I know that I have read in some of the articles that early on in the case all suspects but one passed the lie detector tests. Does it say anywhere definitely that the one who failed was Kevin Jones? I don't think I've read that anywhere. I think there were only implications, but ultimately, I believe this was left unanswered. Does anyone know?

The following is listed in the Prosecution's Response to the Motion for Discovery:

"The following evidence will be introduced at hearings or trial:
a. Defendant made the following oral statements: See attached statement and polygraph results"

[hawgustusgloop]

The Jones family attends this church. Kevin is no stranger there. There are a lot of folks that support Kevin in Dover, but not everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the parents were upset that Kevin was there. Whether or not they feel free to say something is a different matter IMO.

I agree with this. Some people definitely support K.Jo in Dover. That has been made obvious. But he hasn't been convicted (yet?), and YA CAN'T KICK SOMEBODY OUTTA CHURCH!!! Being nice and doing the Christian thing are very important in that neck of the woods. Especially if his family has worshipped there for years. If I were a member of that church, I would probably be like :eek: but I don't think I could say anything. My mind would be racing, though, especially if I had children participating in the same activities. That's why I thought it would be so awkward.

From the congregation's perspective, one of these two things are true:

1. This young man attending church with them murdered a young woman in their community and has been lying to all of them about it all this time and used his mother and friend as pawns in his coverup.

OR

2. These people live in a community where the police at the very least rush to judgment and have engineered the evidence in such a way as to make it appear that one of their own, an upstanding churchgoer just like they are, K.Jo, is guilty even though he is innocent.

Either scenario is unfortunate for them IMO.

[hawgustusgloop]

I agree that there is probably not 100% support of KJ. That'd be impossible. I agree that some probably were upset. At the same time, I can't imagine that those who did not agree did not have the opportunity to remove their kid from the activity. I cannot imagine that in that small of a community anyone would hold back their opinions. I feel those involved were well aware and chose to be there and were not forced to participate in a "publicity stunt" on KJ's behalf. I feel those that were there were there by their own, free choice. I would imagine that if someone in the curch didn't support him, KJ's mere presence would have them run off by now. :shrug: Just my thoughts.....

I don't think the members of this youth group were forced to participate in a publicity stunt for K.Jo. They were probably there for the same reasons that anyone would go to a youth group activity. I think this was an event scheduled at the church that had nothing to do with K.Jo. I just suggested that perhaps his participation was more of an opportunity to improve his image.

For all we know, maybe K.Jo has some type of brotherly connections to the newspaper's reporters and found out they were going to document the event. Maybe his attorneys or even his momma saw it as a way for him to get his name in the paper for something other than his impending murder trial or allegedly watching an alleged rape at the alleged residence of an alleged friend. I don't know. Maybe he is a devout Christian.

But if you go to a church all your life with another family and plan to continue to attend that church, you can't just say, "Nope, Susie, we have to leave," and grab your kid when the other family's son ends up with a murder charge and shows up for youth group.

[FDInLaw]

Does it show the results anywhere? That, in no way states he failed.

Kevin failed the polygraph, but there has not been an "official" statement made by the press regarding this and I certainly don't expect you to take my word for it.

:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Does it show the results anywhere? That, in no way states he failed.

Are you suggesting that he passed? I am just curious. If so, that is very interesting. I have often wondered if he did in fact pass, which could've been the reason an arrest took so long.

[FDInLaw]

>SNIP< For all we know, maybe K.Jo has some type of brotherly connections to the newspaper's reporters and found out they were going to document the event. Maybe his attorneys or even his momma saw it as a way for him to get his name in the paper for something other than his impending murder trial or allegedly watching an alleged rape at the alleged residence of an alleged friend. >SNIP< .

I'm shocked, shocked that anyone would suggest such a thing! LOL!

But hey, this is the same paper that reported nothing about Kevin's arrest is it not?

;)

[hawgustusgloop]

Kevin failed the polygraph, but there has not been an "official" statement made by the press regarding this and I certainly don't expect you to take my word for it.

:seeya:

I will choose to take your word for it.

[hawgustusgloop]

or
#3 He's innocent and I will support him till the very end and beyond. I do not believe he could have done such a thing.

You know what being from this neck of the woods, being christian is important, but we are all very human. I can't imagine staying around someone I thought was murder. I think there would be a couple of ways to put myself out of that situation.

1. Honestly, if I believed it to be true, I'd find another church rather than to consort with him and allow my children to hang around him.

2. Rally the church to make it so difficult on him and his family they would not want to stick around. Sometimes fine, upstanding christians aren't so fine and upstanding as you seem to think.

I just do not feel if one didn't want to be involved with him or his, that there would not be a way around it. People just aren't that nice anymore to set there and take it.

Again, if this was the church your children grew up in, and you wanted to continue to worship there, you would be reluctant to leave it. If I thought he was guilty, I would stick it out and wait until the trial. I wouldn't be too concerned being around him or having my kids at church because I don't think he would murder US at CHURCH. If he is the one who killed Nona, I think it was in some kind of rage and that basically he isn't much of a threat to someone he isn't emotionally involved with.

I wouldn't let my daughter go to a party he was going to be at for all the tea in China, though.

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm shocked, shocked that anyone would suggest such a thing! LOL!

But hey, this is the same paper that reported nothing about Kevin's arrest is it not?

;)

Hey, guys, maybe if we don't report on it, it's almost like it didn't really happen.

:rolleyes:

[hawgustusgloop]

Not if it came to the welfare of my children. I wouldn't hesitate if I didn't want them around him and I thought he was going to be around any.
That's the way people in this area are

I disagree. People in that area in general are loyal to their church homes, even when there is an uncomfortable situation. I bet there are a lot of parents' watchful eyes on K.Jo when he makes it to church. Even the people who think he is guilty probably don't feel he is a danger to their kids during church.

[hawgustusgloop]

I had just heard that he was NOT the one that failed it. I mean either way, polygraphs aren't admissable in court. So, the fact that it is on the evidence list does not merely suggest he failed it to me. :shrug:

Who did you hear this from? If it was K.Jo who told you.......well you might want to give him a LDT on that one.

[hawgustusgloop]

?? I guess I'm not getting this one--

It was just a comment on a certain raggedy rag's decision to ignore what was possibly the BIGGEST story of the year in its small coverage area.

[hawgustusgloop]

Now, that there is a bit of discussion going again in this slow period, I'll catch you arm chair sleuths some other time. :D :seeya:

I remember the good old days when kg** would jump on here just like SusieQ, usually on a Friday, make a bunch of contentious posts, and then suddenly say sayonara around 4 p.m.

I think SusieQ and kg** would have a lot in common. I bet they would be great friends in real life.

[FDInLaw]

It was just a comment on a certain raggedy rag's decision to ignore what was possibly the BIGGEST story of the year in its small coverage area.
:lol: Oh Hawg, you're killing me. . . stop it! :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

:lol: Congratulations for living somewhere. You win. You get to kiss the pig. You were right, I was wrong. You are smart. I am dumb. You are very good-looking. I'm not attractive. Don't you think we could easily guess that you are from the area?

Please don't let my location fool you. You are not any more of an authority of how people behave and react there than I am. I was born and raised in Arkansas and spent a few years living in that very area. I only moved down here a few months ago. But I do appreciate you putting that in all capital letters for us so we can be sure to respect your absolute authority on the matter.
Good golly. . . is that dripping with sarcasm or what? Did you miss your afternoon snack, Hawg? :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

Now, that there is a bit of discussion going again in this slow period, I'll catch you arm chair sleuths some other time. :D :seeya:


Glad you stopped by, don't be a stranger! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

I can't reveal my sources. ;) wink, wink

I don't even know the now infamous K.Jo.

I sure would like to know where you heard that, but I'm not surprised that it's being said. Hopefully the results will be made public during the trial so that you and the others can know the truth.

[hawgustusgloop]

Good golly. . . is that dripping with sarcasm or what? Did you miss your afternoon snack, Hawg? :biggrin:

FDInLaw, I am impressed. I honestly really did skip lunch today! I didn't realize it was that obvious, though.

[FDInLaw]

FDInLaw, I am impressed. I honestly really did skip lunch today! I didn't realize it was that obvious, though.
It happens to the best of us! :biggrin:

[hawgustusgloop]

It happens to the best of us! :biggrin:

Do not fear. I hit the all-you-can-eat pizza buffet for dinner, now all is well. :)

[FDInLaw]

Not!!! However, I was around when kg** was, and personally I think he/ she made a lot of sense. Tended to agree with him/ her alot, even though he/ she could get a little nasty when needed. Not that there wasn't a call, seeing as how you all don't like differing opinions.

I was simply trying to stir up conversation where you hadn't had any. I guess when you are perfect and you know everything you say is right, you don't need a lot of discussion. My mistake.


Now, I know for a fact that you are not KG**. . . and I'm glad you are here since she is taking a break ( I hope she will come back).

You two get along! Ya hear?! :punch:

:seeya:

[Amy]

Oh, well. Excuse my existence. My opinion is ABSOLUTELY worthless. You were right. No one's opinion here can be correct unless you are in the mind that K Jo is guilty. I forgot that unwritten rule. I am WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! My opinion counts for nothing and it can not possibly live up to yours. I shall go lay down on a railroad track somewhere and hope the train comes soon! Excuse me for trying to provoke discussion on a site that hasn't had any in virtually days!

When there is no new information, no new developments, it is sometimes wiser to take a bit of a sabbatical rather than rehash old arguements. Been on many threads where that just gets folks in trouble.

Guess the only new "development" was KJ's participation in the church group.

[hawgustusgloop]

Oh, well. Excuse my existence. My opinion is ABSOLUTELY worthless. You were right. No one's opinion here can be correct unless you are in the mind that K Jo is guilty. I forgot that unwritten rule. I am WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! My opinion counts for nothing and it can not possibly live up to yours. I shall go lay down on a railroad track somewhere and hope the train comes soon! Excuse me for trying to provoke discussion on a site that hasn't had any in virtually days!

I like to read every opinion. I would absolutely love it seriously if someone would post here and lay out some plausible scenarios under which K.Jo did not commit this crime. Do you have any good ideas of who might have done it? Anyone else who you think flunked the LDT instead? I only took issue with the fact that you implied that your opinion of how people behave in that area was somehow better than mine because, to quote you "LIVE IN THE AREA."

[hawgustusgloop]

Not!!! However, I was around when kg** was, and personally I think he/ she made a lot of sense. Tended to agree with him/ her alot, even though he/ she could get a little nasty when needed. Not that there wasn't a call, seeing as how you all don't like differing opinions.

I was simply trying to stir up conversation where you hadn't had any. I guess when you are perfect and you know everything you say is right, you don't need a lot of discussion. My mistake.

Thank you for "trying to stir up conversation." As I said, you two have a lot in common and I think you would be great friends in real life. Differing opinions are a great part of these message boards. Facts that back up those differing opinions are an even better part IMO.

[hawgustusgloop]

Now, I know for a fact that you are not KG**. . . and I'm glad you are here since she is taking a break ( I hope she will come back).

You two get along! Ya hear?! :punch:

:seeya:


Ouch! Yes, ma'am. I will be good.

ETA: I'm sorry, SusieQ. I will be nice. Or at least nicer.

[hawgustusgloop]

When there is no new information, no new developments, it is sometimes wiser to take a bit of a sabbatical rather than rehash old arguements. Been on many threads where that just gets folks in trouble.

Guess the only new "development" was KJ's participation in the church group.

Very good advice. Sad but true, when there is a lull in activity on this board, K.Jo doing a church activity, and the family of the former owner of the diner K.Jo worked at suing a TV station are the "big stories" around here.

[FDInLaw]

Just want to pass on some birthday wishes to our very own Annamarie!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

:biggrin: :beer: :hat:

[hawgustusgloop]

Just want to pass on some birthday wishes to our very own Annamarie!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!



Happy birthday, Annamarie!

:rose: x 12

[FDInLaw]

This coming weekend will mark the one year anniversary on Nina Ingram's murder. Back in December there was an online vigil for Nona and a few of us would like to do the same for Nina. Please consider participating. . . all you really need to do is post a few brief messages during the vigil to show your support for Nina's loved ones. No family should have to stand alone. . . let's take that stand with them. There has yet to be an arrest in the case, to read more check out Nina's thread under Regional News "The South." The online vigil will start this Friday and run all weekend.

Thanks! ~ FD

[hawgustusgloop]

This coming weekend will mark the one year anniversary on Nina Ingram's murder. Back in December there was an online vigil for Nona and a few of us would like to do the same for Nina. Please consider participating. . . all you really need to do is post a few brief messages during the vigil to show your support for Nina's loved ones. No family should have to stand alone. . . let's take that stand with them. There has yet to be an arrest in the case, to read more check out Nina's thread under Regional News "The South." The online vigil will start this Friday and run all weekend.

Thanks! ~ FD

For those of you who have not heard about Nina's case, she was murdered in her apartment in Fayetteville, AR. There has not been a lot of information released about the crime in the media, and it seems to be a mystery as to why someone could possibly want her dead.

Some of her family and friends have posted on these boards before, and I imagine they would probably appreciate anyone's positive thoughts even if you can just post once or just post a rose. Please post if you can.

[FDInLaw]

Hi hawgustusgloop,

Wasn't there recently a double murder in the same apartment complex? I recall reading it was a young man and woman slain. I haven't seen any updates on that double murder. Could there be some connection or has that been ruled out? Sorry for asking if it's been answered, I've been away and only reading and posting sporadically.

TIA

:eek: Is that really you, Merrick?

Sure glad to see you posting! :seeya:

Hawg has posted several links regarding the double homicide on Nina's thread. They did happen in the same complex but have been determined to be unrelated.

[FDInLaw]

Hi FD!

How's everything going? I just found the links on Nina's thread.

BTW, I think an on-line vigil for Nina is a wonderful idea. See you then!

For Nina and Nona :rose:

Feeling "fat & sassy" these days! :o

Glad you plan to stop by for Nina's vigil. Wasn't it the vigil for Nona that brought you to this thread? Well, you've been missed!

[hawgustusgloop]

Hi hawgustusgloop,

Wasn't there recently a double murder in the same apartment complex? I recall reading it was a young man and woman slain. I haven't seen any updates on that double murder. Could there be some connection or has that been ruled out? Sorry for asking if it's been answered, I've been away and only reading and posting sporadically.

TIA

Welcome back! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Yesterday I stopped by just to see if anyone had posted and there were 10 "guests" reading this forum. Who are all these folks? Things have been pretty quiet so I guess I'm shocked by all the traffic. . .

Hey, you lurkers. . . sign up and post already! :biggrin:

[optimumprimal78]

I figure once the time of the trial gets closer there will be a lot of people on here.

[FDInLaw]

I figure once the time of the trial gets closer there will be a lot of people on here.

Now there are 12 guest viewing!

I hope one of them is Kevin's lawyer. . . good luck with the case (you're going to need it!). :biggrin:

[hawgustusgloop]

Now there are 12 guest viewing!

I hope one of them is Kevin's lawyer. . . good luck with the case (you're going to need it!). :biggrin:

Maybe some of these "guests" have been effectively "gagged." My opinion only.

[FDInLaw]

Maybe some of these "guests" have been effectively "gagged." My opinion only. Oh, I'm certain sure a good number of them are.

[FDInLaw]

[QUOTE=hawgustusgloop;8842979]Maybe some of these "guests" have been effectively "gagged." My opinion only.[/QUOte

Some maybe, but a lot of the banned folks reapply w/ new nics and e-mail addy's.

I think Hawg was referring to the gag order. At least that's what I thought. . . there have only been a few individuals banned from this forum from what I recall.

[FDInLaw]

[quote=FDInLaw;8843008]


Gotcha. Wasn't thinking about that.:confused: Duh. I thought he/she was referring to banned individuals, but I guess that was obvious.

My memory is not the greatest. . . but I think there have been four posters banned from this forum (LewisM, Birdie1, Sassy & KG**) ???

[FDInLaw]

[quote=FDInLaw;8843028]

Well you have been around a lot longer than me, so I'm not sure. I just know that I am not familiar with all those nics.
Possibly they are among us and we don't even know it.

I've always assumed that they were still lurking. . . LewisM was probably one Kevin's friends I bet.
JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

:seeya: Hello peoples; two new pages since I was here last! Saw some great posts. Hawg and Merrick, your logic is spot on. IMO

FD, thanks for the heads up about the Nina vigil.

[FDInLaw]

:seeya: Hello peoples; two new pages since I was here last! Saw some great posts. Hawg and Merrick, your logic is spot on. IMO

FD, thanks for the heads up about the Nina vigil.

It's good to see you, Loretta! :seeya:

Please do try to participate during Nina's vigil.

For any of you lurkers out there that can not post on this thread do to the gag order, please consider signing up as a member and posting on Nina Ingram's thread. This is a young woman that was taken from her family. . . and they still do not have answers. The least we all can do is let her loved ones know they do not stand alone during this time. Freshwater will be setting up a special thread for the vigil tomorrow. Thanks! That's my soap box for the day! ~ FD

[Gaiar]

You have a valid point 2lakes. Though even based on that it seems hard to believe that he would of gotten as "nervous" to bring his mom and friend there at that point simply because he couldn't get a hold of her.I mean I would not of assumed that it was that severe at that point. Its as if he brought them in the hopes of establishing an alibi. Throw off the time of death and have them say he was with them at that time.

[FDInLaw]

You have a valid point 2lakes. Though even based on that it seems hard to believe that he would of gotten as "nervous" to bring his mom and friend there at that point simply because he couldn't get a hold of her.I mean I would not of assumed that it was that severe at that point. Its as if he brought them in the hopes of establishing an alibi. Throw off the time of death and have them say he was with them at that time.
Welcome to Nona's forum, Gaiar! It's nice to have you. I sure miss 2Lakes, she hasn't posted here in ages.

ITA with your statements. . . I don't get why Kevin was in such a state of panic over not hearing from Nona. Phone records show that he started calling her later than when he first claimed. Also, wouldn't he have known that she had finals that afternoon and would not be able to take calls?

[1Gr8Life2007]

:seeya: Hi everyone...I come in peace. I admit that I have been reading this message board for several months now. Some of the recent posts finally lit the proverbial fire under my you-know-what and made me register.

I have nothing to offer regarding this case. I don't know any of the individuals surrounding this tragedy. The only information I have is from reading this message board. This case has gotten my attention and I have read every post from beginning to the most current. I try to pop on here once every week or two to see if there are any new developments.
Who knows, now that I have registered, I may put in my two-cents worth of opinion from time to time.

Hope you all have a wonderful week. I'm at work so I better get back to what they pay me for.

[Gaiar]

Welcome 1Gr8Life2007, I must admit I havent really followed this one as closely as some of the stories.

I know what you mean FDinLaw im a college student myself with finals comming up. Its extremely hard to make time to answer the phone everytime it rings. Im just saying in my opinion it seems that kevin did this to try to establish an alibi.

[FDInLaw]

:seeya: Hi everyone...I come in peace. I admit that I have been reading this message board for several months now. Some of the recent posts finally lit the proverbial fire under my you-know-what and made me register.

I have nothing to offer regarding this case. I don't know any of the individuals surrounding this tragedy. The only information I have is from reading this message board. This case has gotten my attention and I have read every post from beginning to the most current. I try to pop on here once every week or two to see if there are any new developments.
Who knows, now that I have registered, I may put in my two-cents worth of opinion from time to time.

Hope you all have a wonderful week. I'm at work so I better get back to what they pay me for.

Welcome to the boards! :seeya:

[lemoncello]

just checkin in...:)

[hawgustusgloop]

just checkin in...:)

Good to see you are still here! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

just checkin in...:)

And. . . that's all you have to say?


:seeya:

[lemoncello]

And. . . that's all you have to say?


:seeya:

not much to say
these days...
just waiting for
the trial...

hope every1 is well...

[FDInLaw]

Question, what do you think of local businesses that tell a murder victim's mother that they don't want any bumper stickers in their establishment? It's pretty sad that these individuals fear that "Justice for Nona!" stickers will anger a certain family in town. Doesn't this family claim to love Nona? What's wrong with this picture? :flamemad:

[optimumprimal78]

Question, what do you think of local businesses that tell a murder victim's mother that they don't want any bumper stickers in their establishment? It's pretty sad that these individuals fear that "Justice for Nona!" stickers will anger a certain family in town. Doesn't this family claim to love Nona? What's wrong with this picture? :flamemad:

They "love" her but they continue to let their son go to parties and let him get in to situations not becoming of a suspect. Not very smart in my opinion.

[FDInLaw]

They "love" her but they continue to let their son go to parties and let him get in to situations not becoming of a suspect. Not very smart in my opinion.

Since Kevin is an adult, I'm not sure what his folks can do in all fairness. The way Kevin runs around does not reflect well on him or his folks. . . if his folks are good people I'm sure they are filled with all sorts of regrets. What bothers me is a seemingly total lack of concern for what happened to Nona. . . this occurred even before Kevin's arrest IMO. If the message "Justice for Nona" is offensive it indicates an admission of guilt. This is just merely my opinion and I have no doubt I'll get flamed for it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Question, what do you think of local businesses that tell a murder victim's mother that they don't want any bumper stickers in their establishment? It's pretty sad that these individuals fear that "Justice for Nona!" stickers will anger a certain family in town. Doesn't this family claim to love Nona? What's wrong with this picture? :flamemad:

I would think that the Jones family and the entire community would want justice for Nona as well as the Dirksmeyers. Doesn't the bumper sticker campaign help to bring attention to the case and therefore shed light on it in case Kevin isn't the killer?

I would think that the Joneses would encourage everyone within the reach of the media and word of mouth to be aware that a murderer is at large. But apparently that isn't the case? (If their influence is thwarting the bumper sticker distribution) Maybe people just don't want to be involved or appear to take sides. (As if justice has a side.)

Nope, I don't get it.

With regard to what KJ's parents can do (to control his behavior), they could break his plate.

[FDInLaw]

What businesses?????

I'm not going to answer that publicly on here. . . but I might be inclined to tell you via a private message.

;)

[hawgustusgloop]

Question, what do you think of local businesses that tell a murder victim's mother that they don't want any bumper stickers in their establishment? It's pretty sad that these individuals fear that "Justice for Nona!" stickers will anger a certain family in town. Doesn't this family claim to love Nona? What's wrong with this picture? :flamemad:

I see what you are getting at, and I think you make an excellent point.

These stickers just say "Justice for Nona." They don't say "Imprison K.Jo. cuz he did it." Why would anyone oppose justice for a young woman who was brutally taken away from her loved ones?

Some national chain-type places often have strict limits on what they can display, but if these are mom-and-pop type places, IMO the owners must have a feeling that "Justice for Nona" means jail for K.Jo.

[JR2007]

I see what you are getting at, and I think you make an excellent point.

These stickers just say "Justice for Nona." They don't say "Imprison K.Jo. cuz he did it." Why would anyone oppose justice for a young woman who was brutally taken away from her loved ones?

Some national chain-type places often have strict limits on what they can display, but if these are mom-and-pop type places, IMO the owners must have a feeling that "Justice for Nona" means jail for K.Jo.



I'm back and rested.
Good post Hawgust, what you wrote is right on in my opinion.

[FDInLaw]

Welcome back, JR!!!:beer:

Hear, hear! Welcome back! We missed you, JR!

:hat: :beer:

[lemoncello]

so...
i was thinking...
lots of arguement back anf forth
about the lightbulb
on the lamp...
what kind of bulb has everyone
been thinking it is...
incandescent?
what if its halogen
which many floor lamps
college kids have
are...
since its smaller
it might have been less
likel to break on impact...
k0j may have placed
his hand over the top
of the lamp, leaving
a partial palm print on
the small bulb...
which may not have been visible...
just a thought...

[JR2007]

so...
i was thinking...
lots of arguement back anf forth
about the lightbulb
on the lamp...
what kind of bulb has everyone
been thinking it is...
incandescent?
what if its halogen
which many floor lamps
college kids have
are...
since its smaller
it might have been less
likel to break on impact...
k0j may have placed
his hand over the top
of the lamp, leaving
a partial palm print on
the small bulb...
which may not have been visible...
just a thought...

Most of the Halogen Lamps have a Pyrex glass shield covering the bulb, unless someone has changed bulbs and left it off.
I had figured it was just a plain incandescent bulb. These will be interesting facts to learn when the trial starts. We'll all get to see how far off some of our hypothesis are.

[lemoncello]

see i dont remember
a cover on the bulb
of my cheapie halogen
torchiere lamp
from college...
but that was ages ago...
it just seemed like the
bulb snapped into place...

[hawgustusgloop]

see i dont remember
a cover on the bulb
of my cheapie halogen
torchiere lamp
from college...
but that was ages ago...
it just seemed like the
bulb snapped into place...

makes good sense to me....
sounds a lot more plausible
under the circumstances
than an incandescent bulb.....
it sure seems like everyone
has those kind of lamps
in college....

[JR2007]

so...
i was thinking...
lots of arguement back anf forth
about the lightbulb
on the lamp...
what kind of bulb has everyone
been thinking it is...
incandescent?
what if its halogen
which many floor lamps
college kids have
are...
since its smaller
it might have been less
likel to break on impact...
k0j may have placed
his hand over the top
of the lamp, leaving
a partial palm print on
the small bulb...
which may not have been visible...
just a thought...


The thing about the prints, both on the base an on the bulb mean nothing, unless they were made with Nona's blood. Remember he was her BF, so his prints would be everywhere in her apartment.

[lemoncello]

The thing about the prints, both on the base an on the bulb mean nothing, unless they were made with Nona's blood. Remember he was her BF, so his prints would be everywhere in her apartment.

i was referring
to the bloody palm
print on the bulb
referred to in the PCS...
when i said it wasnt
visible...
i was meaning visible
in the sense that kj
may have missed it
if he were wiping
the lamp down...
altho wasnt there
some talk about
picking up not visible
bloody prints with a special
chemical not long ago?
who knows, its getting confusing...

[FDInLaw]

Here is another interesting item on the Motion For Discovery, item "y". DVD for fingerpint technique using Amino Black and Leucocrystal Violet.
So I'm sure the Jury is going to get a lesson on finger printing like this. It will be curious as to what it is tied to.
Below is an except form a web site that tells more about it.:read:

Hill was involved in a highly publicized homicide case in Lake Worth, Florida where five family members were murdered. Armed with an airbrush and a chemical called Leucocrystal Violet (LCV), he was able to develop prints that were not visible prior to processing with the chemical.
Hill, who instructs other investigators how to use LCV, says the chemical reacts instantly to the presence of blood causing faint or invisible blood prints to turn a violet color. Further color enhancement is done through the application of a second chemical called Amino Black, which is a protein dye stain that causes the violet ridges to turn a dark indigo blue. Further enhancement can then be accomplished through the use of tools in digital applications.

In light of this new fingerprinting technique and rereading some old post, it has come to me that the evidence that LE has with the window blind panels, could show KJ's prints in blood on them. Pointing directly to him as being guilty, if he didn't touch them on discovery of her body. I was trying to think of why LE would use the window blind panels unless they have fingerprints on them. And it wouldn't be enough if they were just KJ's prints, since he was her BF, and his prints would be everywhere in the apartment. But if they have the slightest trace of blood on the prints and
the new technique shows it to be, then he's history.

You're not going crazy, Lemoncello. . . here are the posts you were thinking about. ~ FD

[lemoncello]

the courier
won an award
for their nona
stories...

Courier news staff takes home second in general excellence

9 total APME awards, including 4 first-place
Courier staff

The Courier news staff was recognized Saturday night at the annual Arkansas Associated Press Managing Editor’s Awards (APME) in Rogers with second place in general excellence and four first-place awards in various categories.
The Courier claimed nine total awards in APME’s Division II which included daily publications with circulations between 8,000-15,000.
“I’m extremely proud of the work our news staff does on a daily basis,” said Courier Publisher Neal Ronquist. “We have a talented, professional staff that understands its important role in this community. To be recognized by your peers is always a wonderful thing.”
The Courier improved on it’s third-place run in the general excellence category for the last two years by placing second this year. Three complete editions with only one chosen by the news staff determines general excellence winners. Judges focus on a paper’s commitment to local coverage, overall design, writing quality, editorial topics and readability.
The Courier had four entries receive first-place honors in the following categories: Community service/special projects, beat reporting, campaign coverage and feature writing.
“While all nine of the awards our staff garnered are special, three in particular stand out,” Ronquist said.
“Sometimes our role requires us to cover stories that are sensitive in nature and often not the greatest reflection on our community. However, the public has a right to know and we have an obligation to make sure the citizenry is well informed. The first-place awards won by the staff for: The Dirksmeyer murder coverage; the alleged sexual abuse case on a Russellville school bus in October of 2006 and subsequent follow ups regarding mandatory reporting; and the ballot security issues in last November’s election are examples of how seriously our staff takes its job and how thorough they are.”
The Courier’s first-place award in the community service/special projects category is the second in as many years. In 2005, The Courier’s coverage and daily special section on the Cal Ripkin 12-year-old World Series at M.J. Hickey Park took home the honors. This year, The Courier’s entry of 30 plus articles on the Nona Dirksmeyer murder story received top honors.
“Winning first-place awards for all three demonstrates and acknowledges the professional and keen news judgment our staff possesses. Scott Perkins, the Courier’s editor, has done a tremendous job recruiting and training talented journalists during his time at The Courier. He, and his staff, produce a newspaper this community can be extremely proud of.”
The Courier’s 2006 APME awards include:
Second place: general excellence, staff;
First place: Special projects/community service, Dirksmeyer murder coverage, staff;
First place: Beat reporting, alleged sexual abuse on school bus, Janie Ginocchio;
First place: Campaign coverage, ballot box decision in November election, Janie Ginocchio;
First place: News feature, “Made in the U.S.A.” (biodiesel story), Brooke Chambers;
Second place: Column hard news, “Faith and politics,” Neal Ronquist;
Second place: Spot sports story, “2-0 Half-time,” Danny Scott;
Second place: Sports feature, “Hector likes the Rustic look,” Quinton Bagley;
Third place: Headline writing, “Bout of turbulence,” Sean Ingram.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for posting this, Lemoncello.

Hat's off to the Courier! :beer:

A special note, our very own Janie Ginocchio received two first place awards . . .

CONGRATULATIONS JANIE!

:hat: :beer:

[regularjoe]

Does anyone know if the police investigated anyone who lived in the apartment complex?

[FDInLaw]

Does anyone know if the police investigated anyone who lived in the apartment complex?
Welcome to Nona's forum! :seeya:

The neighbors were questioned, I'm not sure to what extent though and if any of them were considered to be a possible suspect initially.

[regularjoe]

I know that Dirksmeyer was found naked (except for socks) however to my knowledge there was no mention as to whether or not there were signs of a struggle. Furthermore, has anyone heard if the blood was in a confined area or if there were blood splatter on walls, furniture, other rooms.

I have also listened to a lot of speculation about Jones having his friend drive over to her apartment rather than he and his mother going to check on her. Although the exact events and explanation may come out during the trial, I have an additional reason for thinking this is strange. Being from the area and knowing the roads. If Jones and his mother were driving to Dardanelle (assuming they were driving from the Dover area) they would surely take Highway 7 (Arkansas Avenue) to Dardanelle. If you drive on Highway 7 to Dardanelle and he is worried about his girlfriend who lives on Inglewood 2 things appear to be strange to me.

1. He had to already be near the Russellville area which would have made it just as convieniant to go to her apartment as it would have been for his friend (unless he just knew where his friend was delivering pizzas at that time). He had to have been near the area because they were able to get there soon after Whiteside did not get a response from Dirksmeyer's apartment.
2. Assuming that the first statement is correct and since he was driving south on Highway 7 all he would have to do, instead of calling his friend, would be to turn right on 12th Street (off of Hwy 7) of which the roads name turns into Inglewood at her apartments. It seems as though he could have just as easily checked on her himself.

Just a thought. Anyone have any comments about this or know any more details.

[Mishell1383]

I know that Dirksmeyer was found naked (except for socks) however to my knowledge there was no mention as to whether or not there were signs of a struggle. Furthermore, has anyone heard if the blood was in a confined area or if there were blood splatter on walls, furniture, other rooms.

I have also listened to a lot of speculation about Jones having his friend drive over to her apartment rather than he and his mother going to check on her. Although the exact events and explanation may come out during the trial, I have an additional reason for thinking this is strange. Being from the area and knowing the roads. If Jones and his mother were driving to Dardanelle (assuming they were driving from the Dover area) they would surely take Highway 7 (Arkansas Avenue) to Dardanelle. If you drive on Highway 7 to Dardanelle and he is worried about his girlfriend who lives on Inglewood 2 things appear to be strange to me.

1. He had to already be near the Russellville area which would have made it just as convieniant to go to her apartment as it would have been for his friend (unless he just knew where his friend was delivering pizzas at that time). He had to have been near the area because they were able to get there soon after Whiteside did not get a response from Dirksmeyer's apartment.
2. Assuming that the first statement is correct and since he was driving south on Highway 7 all he would have to do, instead of calling his friend, would be to turn right on 12th Street (off of Hwy 7) of which the roads name turns into Inglewood at her apartments. It seems as though he could have just as easily checked on her himself.

Just a thought. Anyone have any comments about this or know any more details.

I believe, that there was only a partial bloody fingerprint on a light bulb in a lamp.
ANd i totally agree with you on the him checking on herself again that leads me to believe its him trying to establish an alibi after he killed her.. IMO of course.

Some significant details regarding the case, that works for his favor... (unfortunatly) IMO
No.1 The crime scene was contaiminated, and that's not the police fault.
No.2 Police did not perform a crime scene search on Kevin's vehicle looking for(blood evidence).
No.3 Police did not perform a search warrent on Kevin's parents house looking for clothing he may have wore when Nona was killed.
You can bet the clothing he was wearing would have had blood spatter all over it and surely he wouldn't have worn the same clothing back to the crime scene with his mother and friend.
There's a big difference in blood spatter and blood smudges from holding a deceased bloody victim.
No.4 Time of death. I read where police stated time of death was 11:00 am.
That gives Kevin a good window of opportunity to have committed the murder

Also i read somewhere I forget where I'll have to find the link, that he was just recently suspected of drugging a girl and raping her at a party with a friend of his.:cuss:

[Mishell1383]

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-280549.html
thats all i found so far for a link regarding the rape allegations. I guess no charges are going to be filed due to inconsistincies with the victims statements.

That kid gives me the creeps... IMO

[FDInLaw]

I know that Dirksmeyer was found naked (except for socks) however to my knowledge there was no mention as to whether or not there were signs of a struggle. Furthermore, has anyone heard if the blood was in a confined area or if there were blood splatter on walls, furniture, other rooms.

I have also listened to a lot of speculation about Jones having his friend drive over to her apartment rather than he and his mother going to check on her. Although the exact events and explanation may come out during the trial, I have an additional reason for thinking this is strange. Being from the area and knowing the roads. If Jones and his mother were driving to Dardanelle (assuming they were driving from the Dover area) they would surely take Highway 7 (Arkansas Avenue) to Dardanelle. If you drive on Highway 7 to Dardanelle and he is worried about his girlfriend who lives on Inglewood 2 things appear to be strange to me.

1. He had to already be near the Russellville area which would have made it just as convieniant to go to her apartment as it would have been for his friend (unless he just knew where his friend was delivering pizzas at that time). He had to have been near the area because they were able to get there soon after Whiteside did not get a response from Dirksmeyer's apartment.
2. Assuming that the first statement is correct and since he was driving south on Highway 7 all he would have to do, instead of calling his friend, would be to turn right on 12th Street (off of Hwy 7) of which the roads name turns into Inglewood at her apartments. It seems as though he could have just as easily checked on her himself.

Just a thought. Anyone have any comments about this or know any more details.

Kevin's behavior was strange. . . the Probable Cause statement states this; "Whiteside was interviewed on the 15th of December and stated that he went by Nona’s apartment and saw that her car was there and informed Jones of that fact. Whiteside said that as he started to drive off Jones told him to “knock on the door or something”. Whiteside asked Jones if he was sure because Whiteside thought “that would be kind of weird”. Whiteside stated that he did knock on the front door and rang the doorbell and no one answered. After receiving this information from Whiteside, Jones told Whiteside that Jones and his mother would come to the apartment."

Nona had finals scheduled for that afternoon. . . Kevin didn't start calling her till 2:10 in the afternoon; "Jones stated in his interview that he first tried to call Nona around 11:00 or 12:OO on the 15th and that Nona’s phone rang and went straight to voice mail. Affiant obtained the cell phone records for Nona’s phone and Jones’ phone and both sets of records show that the first call to Nona’s phone by Jones (after the very early morning call) was at 14:10. After that time Jones made several calls to Nona’s phone to include a text message at 16:28. Affiant obtained Nona’s phone and submitted it to the State Crime Lab for SIM card analysis. The Crime Lab determined that the text message from Jones to Nona at 16:28 read “U ALIVE”." If I remember right, Nona had a final scheduled for 2pm. . . Kevin shouldn't have been shocked that she didn't answer.

I've gone over this stuff in my head a million times now, and I'm convinced the whole thing was staged by Kevin. . . it just doesn't make sense that he would be so concerned and expect foul play in this short of time span.

[optimumprimal78]

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-280549.html
thats all i found so far for a link regarding the rape allegations. I guess no charges are going to be filed due to inconsistincies with the victims statements.

That kid gives me the creeps... IMO

From what is going around, you are correct. SUPPOSEDLY there are no charges to be filed. The victim in the case has even made the rounds a "social functions" since the alleged incident occurred. I personally still hold the thought that anyone who is at or near the same area should proceed with a little caution. I'm not saying anything happened or not but I am saying that since there is a possibility you have to keep an open mind.

[FDInLaw]

From what is going around, you are correct. SUPPOSEDLY there are no charges to be filed. The victim in the case has even made the rounds a "social functions" since the alleged incident occurred. I personally still hold the thought that anyone who is at or near the same area should proceed with a little caution. I'm not saying anything happened or not but I am saying that since there is a possibility you have to keep an open mind.
So, are you saying that the alleged rape victim is still hanging out with the same people that were at the party?

[optimumprimal78]

I don't know for sure if she is hanging around with KJ/RW but she is going around to parties (which is normal for people her age). It just strikes me as odd that she would put herself in a position for something to happen after what was "allegedly" done in the past.

[Mishell1383]

naivete is a sad and scary thing at the same time. Thinking back when I was her age which wasn't that long ago less than 10 years, I remember a few friends that were "taken advantage" of yet, continued to "hang around" probably due to acceptance, the "cool crowd" etc. etc. Although I dont trust KJ and I would not want my child hanging around witt him, by any means, I do feel there was a little negligence on her part. And she may have acted a "certain way" I believe that is why there are no charges to be filed. IMO, I mean she did talk to the kid after and actually texted/chatted about their sexual encounter the previous night and if he thought less of her. strange

[Mishell1383]

I've gone over this stuff in my head a million times now, and I'm convinced the whole thing was staged by Kevin. . . it just doesn't make sense that he would be so concerned and expect foul play in this short of time span.

I agree totally, it was like he was rushing the act of finding her, he wanted to quickly to get it over with, he was feeling guilt, impatience and started acting impulsively.:no: imo of course

[FDInLaw]

When holidays roll around there is a sadness that accompanies them. . . Nona's murderer has spent two Christmas' and Mother's Days with his family now and has yet to see the inside of a court room. Quite frankly, it infuriates me! :flamemad:

For Carol, my thoughts and prayers are with you. May our Heavenly Father hold you in His arms and comfort you this day.

Happy Mother's Day!


:rose: x 1,000,000. . . you deserve every one! ~ FD

[optimumprimal78]

There has been a lot of talk about parties on this board. Does KJ and/or RW have to be drug tested or check in? I remember there being something said about that awhile ago.

[Mishell1383]

I dont know about drug testing but in the link i provided above I believe, (BELIEVE) that they were doing ecstacy.

[JR2007]

There has been a lot of talk about parties on this board. Does KJ and/or RW have to be drug tested or check in? I remember there being something said about that awhile ago.


Opti:
I believe that part of the provisions for KJ's Bail, in Nona's case, was that he be tested each week when he checks in. RW should not have to be tested, since he is just a witness in the case. If you are thinking that be cause of the Rape allegations, there were no charges brought forth on that case, so no need for testing. JMO.
:)

[Mishell1383]

Opti:
I believe that part of the provisions for KJ's Bail, in Nona's case, was that he be tested each week when he checks in. RW should not have to be tested, since he is just a witness in the case. If you are thinking that be cause of the Rape allegations, there were no charges brought forth on that case, so no need for testing. JMO.
:)


o my goodness your avatar is sooooo adorable! I love that little fuzzy polar bear baby!:)

[JR2007]

Opti here is something lorettalockhorn posted back in Jan. 2007. I haven't looked to see what Freshwater posted or if it's still there.


Also, in the court documents; page seven is the pretrial conditions checklist. I noticed (using my trusty magnifying glass) that #6 states that KJ should not consume alcohol or other controlled substances unless prescribed, and that #7 states that he is subject to drug testing when he checks into the sheriff's office each week. So that answers some of the questions about how clean he's been keeping his nose re: drugs. But I wonder how Gibbons was convinced that he wasn't drinking at the 12/28/06 party?

Thanks to Freshwater for posting the documents and to lemon for the heads up.[/quote]

[FDInLaw]

Surprise, surprise. . . Kevin's defense team has motioned for a change of venue;

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=6523090


Party it up now, Kevin. . . someday your lawyers will run out of motions to file. :cool:

[hawgustusgloop]

Surprise, surprise. . . Kevin's defense team has motioned for a change of venue;

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=6523090


Party it up now, Kevin. . . someday your lawyers will run out of motions to file. :cool:

Oh I am so completely shocked. Another article:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6523090

[JR2007]

Surprise, surprise. . . Kevin's defense team has motioned for a change of venue;

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=6523090


Party it up now, Kevin. . . someday your lawyers will run out of motions to file. :cool:

This is why I think bond should not be given for murder cases like this. It allows someone, If guilty to stay free as long as they, or there Lawyers, can get judgements in their favor.
:(

[FDInLaw]

This is why I think bond should not be given for murder cases like this. It allows someone, If guilty to stay free as long as they, or there Lawyers, can get judgements in their favor.
:( The change of venue has not been granted yet, so maybe this stall tactic will not work, we'll have to wait and see. Wouldn't it be ironic if the change was granted and Kevin was caught doing drugs and had to spend the duration behind bars? Happy thoughts!
(:punch: BAD FD!)

MOO, I'm just venting and wondering when there will be any justice for Nona.
:(
- - - - - -

Thanks for posting the other link, Hawg!

[hawgustusgloop]

Maybe the trial will still begin on time, even if it is in Franklin County. I don't know how these things typically work. If I were an attorney and had a client who was innocent and had all this great exonerating evidence, I would want to get the trial over with ASAP and let my client get on with his life.

If K.Jo is guilty, then let him party it up until his attorneys have exhausted all of their stall tactics. Let a player play. If that is the case, he knows what is going to happen to him and what his life will soon become. He will be so much more cognizant of what he will be missing out on when he's sitting in jail than someone who commits a crime and is immediately arrested and incarcerated. Every time he wakes up in a comfortable bed, takes a walk in the sun, drives a car, has a home-cooked meal with his family, sends a text message, goes fishing, or any other things most people do without a second thought, he knows that someday soon those things will simply not be options for him. Every normal thing he does, he will know that he may not get to do that again for a VERY long time, if at all. Nona's ability to do all of these things were unfairly taken from her, but she is in a better place now. K.Jo, however, will be in a much, much worse place, and IMO it's just a matter of time.

[lorettalockhorn]

:seeya: Hello friends, long time no...

I too thought about the sickening irony of KJ being allowed holidays, especially Mothers Day with his own doting mother. Bless you Carol, you are in many of our hearts and prayers.

Also wanted to post this link to the story in today's Gazette; it's a little more specific about the reasoning behind the motion for change of venue:

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2007/may/16/lawyers-seeking-new-site-trial-20070516/

Note that Duane Dipert agrees that a change of venue might be a wise move. (I'm not going to even ask how the defense knows who's who at the CourtTV site. And I'll reiterate that I don't believe that "Justice for Nona necessarily means "Hang Kevin Jones", at least not to me. If he's innocent, that should become apparent at trial. But I'm still wondering why he's not out searching for the killer instead of partying, if that's the case.)

Re: Regular Joe's post on the previous page, I've gotta tell you, that in my mind, KJ wanted RW and his mother both to be with him when Nona's body was found specifically because they would be the two people who would believe his histrionics without question; i.e. that he was shocked at the discovery and grieving at Nona's death.

[hawgustusgloop]

The change of venue has not been granted yet, so maybe this stall tactic will not work, we'll have to wait and see. Wouldn't it be ironic if the change was granted and Kevin was caught doing drugs and had to spend the duration behind bars? Happy thoughts!
(:punch: BAD FD!)

MOO, I'm just venting and wondering when there will be any justice for Nona.
:(
- - - - - -

Thanks for posting the other link, Hawg!

Actually, you bring up a great point! Remember how the defense came out with their surprise evidence in the wake of the January trial date, forcing the prosecutors to ask for a delay? Well, during that stall tactic, there was the allegedly infamous alleged rape at the alleged party with the alleged drug use while K.Jo allegedly watched. Maybe it would be better for the defense if they hurried things up a bit instead in case K.Jo can't keep his alleged nose clean in the meantime.

[lorettalockhorn]

Actually, you bring up a great point!

Maybe it would be better for the defense if they hurried things up a bit instead in case K.Jo can't keep his alleged nose clean in the meantime.

I'm more than a little curious about the weekly drug testing. KJ must be very specific about his drinking schedule for alcohol to not show up each Friday afternoon, and I guess that all of the drugs that stay in the system for long periods of time are off the table too. Or maybe he has a very accommodating physician? :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

:seeya: Hello friends, long time no...

I too thought about the sickening irony of KJ being allowed holidays, especially Mothers Day with his own doting mother. Bless you Carol, you are in many of our hearts and prayers.

Also wanted to post this link to the story in today's Gazette; it's a little more specific about the reasoning behind the motion for change of venue:

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2007/may/16/lawyers-seeking-new-site-trial-20070516/

Note that Duane Dipert agrees that a change of venue might be a wise move. (I'm not going to even ask how the defense knows who's who at the CourtTV site. And I'll reiterate that I don't believe that "Justice for Nona necessarily means "Hang Kevin Jones", at least not to me. If he's innocent, that should become apparent at trial. But I'm still wondering why he's not out searching for the killer instead of partying, if that's the case.)

Re: Regular Joe's post on the previous page, I've gotta tell you, that in my mind, KJ wanted RW and his mother both to be with him when Nona's body was found specifically because they would be the two people who would believe his histrionics without question; i.e. that he was shocked at the discovery and grieving at Nona's death.
Oh poop! I'm not subscriber so I can't see the article. . . could someone send it to me via PM? Pretty please!

[hawgustusgloop]

Oh poop! I'm not subscriber so I can't see the article. . . could someone send it to me via PM? Pretty please!

I think this one is similar:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/190316/

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh poop! I'm not subscriber so I can't see the article. . . could someone send it to me via PM? Pretty please!

Krikey! I didn't realize that you had to be a subscriber, I must have been automatically logged in. I read the NWA article and I think it's the same word for word. I'll copy it to you just in case.

[optimumprimal78]

Can you do the same for me as well?

Also, what does it mean that they know who the people at CourtTV are?

[lorettalockhorn]

Can you do the same for me as well?

Also, what does it mean that they know who the people at CourtTV are?

I'll be glad to; I've got to run out for a few minutes and the article is too long to send in a PM, so I'll have to send it in three installments. It'll be about 45 minutes or so. Hope that's not a problem.

Exactly. How does the defense KNOW who posts at this site? Are they oracles? Why don't they use their magic powers for you know what?

[optimumprimal78]

lorretta,

If it is the same as the NW Ark Times Article link from above then never mind I read that. Thanks though.:seeya:

[Mishell1383]

Oh poop! I'm not subscriber so I can't see the article. . . could someone send it to me via PM? Pretty please!

LOL FD you crack me up... oh poop ! :lol:

[Amy]

Surprise, surprise. . . Kevin's defense team has motioned for a change of venue;

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=6523090


Party it up now, Kevin. . . someday your lawyers will run out of motions to file. :cool:

I suppose filing about this time will enable them to get another delay? Could it all be in the timing? Altho, it would seem a hearing mid-June would let the judge make the decision in plenty of time to keep the July trial date.

[JR2007]

A change of venue has not yet been granted and even if it is ,I don't see why it would change the trial date, unless another trial has been scheduled for the same time period in Franklin county. I also think it may be good to have a change of venue to strip KJ of his own support base, if he is guilty.
The facts will not change in the case and Franklin county is more conservative then Pope county IMO. and murdering a sweet young lady will not go over well there. JMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

lorretta,

If it is the same as the NW Ark Times Article link from above then never mind I read that. Thanks though.:seeya:

Optimum and FD, I just looked at the byline and it's the same reporter. Probably the same content.

This final paragraph appeared in the Little Rock edition of the ArDemGaz but not in the NWA edition: “That affidavit contains information that very likely has jeopardized the right of the Defendant to a fair and impartial trial,” the motion stated.

It rather peeves me that the motion states that this site has "perverted and tortured" the Justice for Nona slogan; I think that we would all agree that the true justice would be that the true killer is punished, regardless of who he/she is. At any rate, that is my opinion.

[optimumprimal78]

But what happened with all of the signs of support for KJ like the restaurant he worked for and the Dover paper? Are those not bias? That is why you have LAWYERS WHOSE JOB IT IS TO FIND IMPARTIAL JURORS.

I'm going back in my hole.

[FDInLaw]

I think this one is similar:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/190316/ Thanks for the link! Interesting read! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

The article above states; "affidavits from 11 Pope County residents, stating they did not believe Jones could get a fair trial in Russellville." Considering how many people live in the area, is the Judge even going to take these seriously? This is a meager number IMO. At this point I really wonder how seriously the Judge is going to take this. For goodness sake, we're talking about a brutal murder. . . of course the local paper is going to report on it! What a shock (sarcasm). . . there are concerned residents passing out bumper stickers. . . you've got to be kidding me! Of course people are concerned! MOO

[lorettalockhorn]

The article above states; "affidavits from 11 Pope County residents, stating they did not believe Jones could get a fair trial in Russellville." Considering how many people live in the area, is the Judge even going to take these seriously? This is a meager number IMO. At this point I really wonder how seriously the Judge is going to take this. For goodness sake, we're talking about a brutal murder. . . of course the local paper is going to report on it! What a shock (sarcasm). . . there are concerned residents passing out bumper stickers. . . you've got to be kidding me! Of course people are concerned! MOO

I'm wondering exactly what percentage of the jury pool eleven people are. And from my perch, there has been as much support for KJ as there has been detractors. Getting all bent out of shape over bumper stickers asking for justice (NOT a public lynching) doesn't sound like the accused is feeling cool as a cucumber about being exonerated at trial. Of course, we all know that the filing of the motion is within his rights, it's the reasoning that is ridic.

[Mishell1383]

Getting all bent out of shape over bumper stickers asking for justice (NOT a public lynching) doesn't sound like the accused is feeling cool as a cucumber about being exonerated at trial. Of course, we all know that the filing of the motion is within his rights, it's the reasoning that is ridic.
maybe someone is feeling guiltyyy.... IMO of course. If i were him, which thank GOODNESS im not and I was trying prove my innocence id have a bumper sticker plastered on my forehead

[FDInLaw]

There's a front page article about the change of venue motion in today's Courier. Will post link when it's online.

[FDInLaw]

I'd also like to see it, if some one would oblige. FD?

I think this one is similar:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/190316/ Hey SusieQ! The one article was not sent to me (or I'd gladly pass it on) but it's my understanding that this one covers the same things. :seeya:

[Amy]

I'm more than a little curious about the weekly drug testing. KJ must be very specific about his drinking schedule for alcohol to not show up each Friday afternoon, and I guess that all of the drugs that stay in the system for long periods of time are off the table too. Or maybe he has a very accommodating physician? :shrug:


Actually, the Friday afternoon testing probably works just great!! Take your test, pass. Then party hardy Friday and Saturday at least. Not so much during the week, as most of the people would (hopefully) have jobs they need to be able to do thru the week. Then, Friday comes around, test, party, etc etc etc.

Maybe, it the courts were really wanting to keep him from drinking and drugging, they would require the testing to be done first thing Monday morning?

[Amy]

The article above states; "affidavits from 11 Pope County residents, stating they did not believe Jones could get a fair trial in Russellville." Considering how many people live in the area, is the Judge even going to take these seriously? This is a meager number IMO. At this point I really wonder how seriously the Judge is going to take this. For goodness sake, we're talking about a brutal murder. . . of course the local paper is going to report on it! What a shock (sarcasm). . . there are concerned residents passing out bumper stickers. . . you've got to be kidding me! Of course people are concerned! MOO

I,too, was thinking that 11 people would not be a very big percentage of the jury pool area. AND, who are these 11 people? People who are already convinced the KJ did NOT kill Nona, before they have heard the evidence LE has to present?

And, it would be interesting to see how many people in that area actually know about crime message boards, let alone read or post. I know there are several in the area, but I don't think the whole of Russellville sets down to their computers everyday and read the boards (CTV or otherwise) and get their minds poisoned against KJ. (Cuz, let's face it, very few would be able to read only, and never post. I'm sure there can be a few lurkers, but I'm betting the majority would have to put their 2 cents worth in.)

As you say, of course the local papers are going to report on the murder!!! If they DIDN'T, people would be screaming about that!!! It seemed like pretty straight forward reporting, no side comments about the reporter thinking KJ is getting a raw deal, or that he is being unfairly prosecuted. Just pretty much reporting information given them. (Of course, I only saw the articles linked here.)

As for Justice for Nona--now, I believe that means find the one who murdered her and make him pay. I think that, if someone other than JK is found to be guilty of murdering her--the people who have these stickers would think of that as Justice for Nona. The stickers DON'T say "GET JK!!!!" "JK IS GUILTY" etc. Now THAT would be prejudicial.

[Mishell1383]

<snipped>

Maybe, it the courts were really wanting to keep him from drinking and drugging, they would require the testing to be done first thing Monday morning?
YA! thats what I would think?! HELLO!? weird.

[lorettalockhorn]

Actually, the Friday afternoon testing probably works just great!! Take your test, pass. Then party hardy Friday and Saturday at least. Not so much during the week, as most of the people would (hopefully) have jobs they need to be able to do thru the week. Then, Friday comes around, test, party, etc etc etc.

Maybe, it the courts were really wanting to keep him from drinking and drugging, they would require the testing to be done first thing Monday morning?

Exactly!!!

Except, the testee would simply change his schedule to party during the first part of the week and be clean again by Monday, I've seen it in some of work that I did in a past life; users always know how to manipulate the world. Random drug testing should have been a condition of his bond. (Not the first mistake that has happened in this case. :confused: )

The Courier article focuses on their part in the reporting of the case, but does mention how the defense has perverted the postings on this board. (My words.)

[hawgustusgloop]

Courier article:

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=14805

[JR2007]

Here is the link to the Couriers article on the change of venue

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=14805

[hawgustusgloop]

From all of these articles, it is becoming clear that K.Jo's attorneys are spending about as much time on this message board as I am. What a bunch of armchair fruitcakes!:D

[FDInLaw]

From all of these articles, it is becoming clear that K.Jo's attorneys are spending about as much time on this message board as I am. What a bunch of armchair fruitcakes!:D

Ironically, by mentioning this site in their motion, Kevin's attorneys are only bring more attention to it! It's obvious that folks connected with the case keep an eye on this site, but I really question how much what is said here sways the opinion of the general public. IMO this latest motion is just part of a long line of theatrics intended to make Kevin out to be the victim in all this. The hearing in June will be an important one. It will set the tone for the trial. MOO

[FDInLaw]

Not trying to be argumentative here, but in all honesty, the Courier first brought attention to this site prior to this motion. I do agree, however, that this will bring more attention to it. You have a point.

All you locals. . . how much impact do you think this site has had on public opinion? How many people do you know of that actually read this site? Just wondering.

[al38]

I am a local- Dover area and I don't know anyone who reads this board. I do not feel this board has influenced my opinion. I know several people who feel that KJ is guilty and they have never once looked at this board.

[JR2007]

You have a point.

All you locals. . . how much impact do you think this site has had on public opinion? How many people do you know of that actually read this site? Just wondering.

I personally know of no one that has read it, and yes I've asked bunches of people over the last year. People have asked where to find the site and yet have never visited it, I found after asking them again at a later date.

[FDInLaw]

I am a local- Dover area and I don't know anyone who reads this board. I do not feel this board has influenced my opinion. I know several people who feel that KJ is guilty and they have never once looked at this board.

I personally know of no one that has read it, and yes I've asked bunches of people over the last year. People have asked where to find the site and yet have never visited it, I found after asking them again at a later date. You mean to tell me that to your knowledge most folks have not read this website? Oh, drat! Here I thought we were the buzz on the street. . . we're not cyber celebrities after all? :eek:

(sarcasm)

:D

[FDInLaw]

As the Courier article states, more than one motion will be considered by the Judge in June. IMO the request for a change of venue is inconsequential compared with the other motion that basically attacks the validity and handling of some of the State's evidence. The hearing in June should reveal to some extent the quality of each side's case and is one to watch intently. MOO

[Mishell1383]

ok this is totally irrelevant, but I just saw a picture of Kevin Jones. And please don't get insulted by my comments,,,, BUT! He looks like a pimply greasy faced kid ! Not someone that Beautiful Classy Nona would be dating !!!!!! Maybe he killed her because she realized she didn't want to be with him anymore. She was slipping through his grasp and there was nothing he could do about it... And she could do MUCH better ???

ALL IMO of course.

[hawgustusgloop]

As the Courier article states, more than one motion will be considered by the Judge in June. IMO the request for a change of venue is inconsequential compared with the other motion that basically attacks the validity and handling of some of the State's evidence. The hearing in June should reveal to some extent the quality of each side's case and is one to watch intently. MOO

Very true. IIRC, the defense is also seeking the exclusion of all of the "fingerprint in blood" evidence because they claim their expert proves those prints were made after the "discovery" of Nona's body. Also, I think they are implying the SIM card from her phone was intentionally erased by the police and that the jury should assume that any info on it was harmful to the prosecution's case and helpful to the defense.

IF the defense succeeds on either of these motions, K.Jo would have a MUCH better chance of being acquitted IMO. Since we don't have all the information, it's difficult to guess how the judge would rule.

[lorettalockhorn]

Very true. IIRC, the defense is also seeking the exclusion of all of the "fingerprint in blood" evidence because they claim their expert proves those prints were made after the "discovery" of Nona's body. Also, I think they are implying the SIM card from her phone was intentionally erased by the police and that the jury should assume that any info on it was harmful to the prosecution's case and helpful to the defense.

IF the defense succeeds on either of these motions, K.Jo would have a MUCH better chance of being acquitted IMO. Since we don't have all the information, it's difficult to guess how the judge would rule.

Agree with FDIL that a change of venue is inconsequential compared to the other motions.

The SIM card debacle seems like a much bigger issue; the prosecution would be much better off having the defense use the information than for neither side to be able to use it; therefore it's unbelievable to me that the erasure was done on purpose. Don't know how big a deal it is that the phone left chain of custody, but I cannot imagine why or how this happened. Seriously, what possible logical reason could there be?

(Surely plenty of people have found their way onto this site, if the number of replies compared to the number of views is any indication.)

[JR2007]

Agree with FDIL that a change of venue is inconsequential compared to the other motions.

The SIM card debacle seems like a much bigger issue; the prosecution would be much better off having the defense use the information than for neither side to be able to use it; therefore it's unbelievable to me that the erasure was done on purpose. Don't know how big a deal it is that the phone left chain of custody, but I cannot imagine why or how this happened. Seriously, what possible logical reason could there be?

(Surely plenty of people have found their way onto this site, if the number of replies compared to the number of views is any indication.)

I would think that the Crime lab in Little Rock, uses good procedures, when they copied the Sim Card, and can not for the life of me, understand why this would not stand up in court. I believe Judge Patterson will reject all the Motions. Besides, moving the trial 30 miles West, IMO, will do little since there are probably as many people between Rsvl and Clarksville that receive the Courier as there are who receive the Clarksville paper. JMO

[hawgustusgloop]

I would think that the Crime lab in Little Rock, uses good procedures, when they copied the Sim Card, and can not for the life of me, understand why this would not stand up in court. I believe Judge Patterson will reject all the Motions. Besides, moving the trial 30 miles West, IMO, will do little since there are probably as many people between Rsvl and Clarksville that receive the Courier as there are who receive the Clarksville paper. JMO

I think I asked this before when this issue came up, but maybe someone can explain it. I know that if I take my digital camera and upload the pictures to my computer, the pictures are MOVED, not copied. Therefore, my camera's memory card is blank after the upload. Would a SIM card work the same way? Or would the information only be copied onto the computer and remain on the card for future use? Maybe the transfer of the information from the SIM card to the computer automatically erases the data? Does anyone here know? I find it hard to believe, but not impossible I guess, that the crime lab would erase the data just to help the prosecution's case. That makes no sense to me.

[JR2007]

I think I asked this before when this issue came up, but maybe someone can explain it. I know that if I take my digital camera and upload the pictures to my computer, the pictures are MOVED, not copied. Therefore, my camera's memory card is blank after the upload. Would a SIM card work the same way? Or would the information only be copied onto the computer and remain on the card for future use? Maybe the transfer of the information from the SIM card to the computer automatically erases the data? Does anyone here know? I find it hard to believe, but not impossible I guess, that the crime lab would erase the data just to help the prosecution's case. That makes no sense to me.

Your camera must be different then mine. When I download a picture it stays on the camera too, unless I choose to delete it, after the download.
I believe the Sim card would keep its info unless intentionally erased. As I read the article about this once I thought that LE was thinking that as long as the Crimelab had the info off the Sim Card that they didn't need it anymore and gave it back to the family. I may not have this 100% correct, but that's the way I remembered it. AMO.

[FDInLaw]

From what I understand, the forensic programs used by the crime lab would have made an exact copy of the SIM card. . . these programs have safeguards that do not allow any tampering to occur. The defense did not have the opportunity to handle and process the cell phone before it was returned to the family, which is their right. This is just an issue of procedure. Sadly though, sometimes perfectly good evidence is dismissed because of situations like this. As sinister as it sounds, the defense is paid to make sure the prosecution has as little to work with as possible and they will take any opportunity they can to do so. MOO

[JR2007]

From what I understand, the forensic programs used by the crime lab would have made an exact copy of the SIM card. . . these programs have safeguards that do not allow any tampering to occur. The defense did not have the opportunity to handle and process the cell phone before it was returned to the family, which is their right. This is just an issue of procedure. Sadly though, sometimes perfectly good evidence is dismissed because of situations like this. As sinister as it sounds, the defense is paid to make sure the prosecution has as little to work with as possible and they will take any opportunity they can to do so. MOO

I'm curious, I know that the prosecution has to give everything they come up with to the defense, my question is, does the defense have to give everything they have to the prosecution? I assume that in all fairness it would be both ways.
:confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

I would think that the Crime lab in Little Rock, uses good procedures, when they copied the Sim Card, and can not for the life of me, understand why this would not stand up in court. I believe Judge Patterson will reject all the Motions. Besides, moving the trial 30 miles West, IMO, will do little since there are probably as many people between Rsvl and Clarksville that receive the Courier as there are who receive the Clarksville paper. JMO

I'm assuming that the defense is moving that they had a right to the SIM card in situ for their own independent testing and perusal. That would be my tactic. They may have some perverted ideas about freedom of speech and what constitutes perversion, but I bet they have case law to back them up on this issue and still think that this will be the most interesting and important motion that Patterson will address.

Both sides have the same rights to all evidence. (Isn't that the purpose of discovery?)

[JR2007]

This was a letter to the Editor in Fridays May,18,07 Courier paper. I don't know who the person is that wrote it, but my guess is she is from Dover area.

http://www.couriernews.com/letters.php

[FDInLaw]

This was a letter to the Editor in Fridays May,18,07 Courier paper. I don't know who the person is that wrote it, but my guess is she is from Dover area.

http://www.couriernews.com/letters.php Thanks for the link.

I tell ya what, if the trail gets moved as a result of the whining over bumper stickers I'm fixin' to call Connie and get a big stack. . . anyone up for handing them out with me at the U of A??? :D

[Mishell1383]

Thanks for the link.

I tell ya what, if the trail gets moved as a result of the whining over bumper stickers I'm fixin' to call Connie and get a big stack. . . anyone up for handing them out with me at the U of A??? :D
F*** yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I mean of course!

[FDInLaw]

Me thinks we need some "Justice for Nona" t-shirts too, I mean, why stop with just bumper stickers?

[FDInLaw]

On a serious note, there are some that would like to see all this just go away for the sake of the Jones family. The truth is, Nona was dearly loved by many and what happened is not just going to be forgotten. No matter how many times the trial is delayed, we're still here.

Justice for Nona

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Mishell1383]

Me thinks we need some "Justice for Nona" t-shirts too, I mean, why stop with just bumper stickers?
might as well add on some hats too ! We can be all done up with Nona gear! WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!!

[JR2007]

Thanks for the link.

I tell ya what, if the trail gets moved as a result of the whining over bumper stickers I'm fixin' to call Connie and get a big stack. . . anyone up for handing them out with me at the U of A??? :D

FD I don't think the trail will be moved there is to much woods to be cleared for that. Although they may move the trial.
:biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

FD I don't think the trail will be moved there is to much woods to be cleared for that. Although they may move the trial.
:biggrin:
:punch: Hey, you be nice to me! I must need another bowl of ice cream! :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! YEAH!!

:lol: Is that all you've got to say? Come on, we would like to hear your reasoning behind this statement. (Pretty please. . . :D )

I have seen you lurking. . . let me officially welcome you to the board now. I hope you will stick around, we need more "Kevin didn't do it" posters. :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! YEAH!!

Welcome to the boards, sammy72902! Did you register just to make this post? I think dark orange is a nice font color as well.

[FDInLaw]

[QUOTE=FDInLaw;8860323] Is that all you've got to say? Come on, we would like to hear your reasoning behind this statement. (Pretty please. . .

I have seen you lurking. . . let me officially welcome you to the board now. I hope you will stick around, we need more "Kevin didn't do it" posters. [/QUOTE/]

Thanks for that for that warm inviting welcome, but I'll be saying no thanks to that invitation. I need not the drama! Just so you know, I haven't been lurking... I've been waiting for my posting status to activate, juist so I could deliver that special message. You will be glad to know that I won't be sticking around. Have a nice day! :cool: See ya around! :seeya:

Believe it or not, your choice not to participate more is disappointing. I'm not going to chide you for it though. It takes guts to stand by what you believe. . . and though many believe Kevin is innocent, few are willing to hold their ground here.


"Those who speak don't know. Those who know don't speak" ~ Lao Tzu

:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Sho enuff did, hog! Just for the likes of you! :beer: :hat: :tongue:

I like using smilies as well.

[JR2007]

GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! YEAH!!

Welcome Sammy (M) I too would like to see the change of venue, but for a different reason then You, I'm sure.
:eek:

[FDInLaw]

A big WELCOME for Suga! Where did you go? :shrug:














:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Okay, so I'm board out of my mind today and I have a silly idea. . . once the trial does start it's inevitable that we will be joined by some new posters. In the spirit of goodwill and to show what a friendly group we are, let's help these folks come up with their nics. Coming up with a nic can be such a daunting task, giving suggestions is the least we can do.

Here are some of my ideas:

WholeHAWG

Twinky or Dingdong (I mean, why not? We have a SusieQ) :)

KevyNOhurtNO1

Jonesin4Justice

SassyPants


I'm not the most creative nic creator (just look at mine). . . you all help me out. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

My goodness you keep a close eye out! How did you know I was about?
Didn't you post something like "Hi all!". . . I saw it, but by the time I responded you must have deleted it.

[hawgustusgloop]

Okay, so I'm board out of my mind today and I have a silly idea. . . once the trial does start it's inevitable that we will be joined by some new posters. In the spirit of goodwill and to show what a friendly group we are, let's help these folks come up with their nics. Coming up with a nic can be such a daunting task, giving suggestions is the least we can do.

Here are some of my ideas:

WholeHAWG

Twinky or Dingdong (I mean, why not? We have a SusieQ) :)

KevyNOhurtNO1

Jonesin4Justice

SassyPants


I'm not the most creative nic creator (just look at mine). . . you all help me out. :seeya:

:lol: KevyNOhurtNO1 and Jonesin4Justice are pretty much impossible to beat, but here goes:

GentilKev

BenDover

Cagey**

U_ACQUITTED?

[FDInLaw]

:lol: KevyNOhurtNO1 and Jonesin4Justice are pretty much impossible to beat, but here goes:

GentilKev

BenDover

Cagey**

U_ACQUITTED? Oh, you came up with some good ones! I love "BenDover" and "GentilKev". . . do you think Gentilben will mind? :D

[FDInLaw]

How about a"fathawgustsnoopbuma#@"?
What? :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

hehe You are quick, but that was a while ago! I :chicken: ed out. :hat: I guess you drew me out...

Yes, that's exactly what I mean...... A big R., AR


"Hello to everyone!"
Well, I'm glad you finally posted! :seeya:

[Mishell1383]

Oh, you came up with some good ones! I love "BenDover" and "GentilKev". . . do you think Gentilben will mind? :D
How bout KenHartleyReed, or JackMeoff -- LOL sorry that last one was BAD! teehee

[FDInLaw]

Edited-- you might understand a little better. Break it down into syllables.

Me still no get it. . . you ain't calling my buddy Hawg "fat" are you? I'll have to whip out the :punch: icon! :biggrin:

[Mishell1383]

like can hardly read = KenHartleyReed lol

[FDInLaw]

KenHartleyReed? "Break it down into syllables." (Can Hardly Read) ;)

[hawgustusgloop]

Oh, you came up with some good ones! I love "BenDover" and "GentilKev". . . do you think Gentilben will mind? :D

I don't think he will mind at all. I am sure they are all golf buddies. :)

[Mishell1383]

HAR HARTY HAR HAR! YOU GUYS STILL MAKE ME CHUCKLE ! weeeeeeeeeeeee!

[FDInLaw]

I don't think he will mind at all. I am sure they are all golf buddies. :) :lol: LOL! I sure miss that group.

[FDInLaw]

HAR HARTY HAR HAR! YOU GUYS STILL MAKE ME CHUCKLE ! weeeeeeeeeeeee! It's what we live for, love. :biggrin:

Do you ever hang out over on CTV Open Court? You would love it.

[Mishell1383]

It's what we live for, love. :biggrin:

Do you ever hang out over on CTV Open Court? You would love it.
Nope never heard of it actually ! :(

[FDInLaw]

Nope never heard of it actually ! :(

Oh, girl! I'll hook you up! :biggrin:

http://boards.courttv.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=8

[Mishell1383]

Oh, girl! I'll hook you up! :biggrin:

http://boards.courttv.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=8
why thank ya kindly (with a southern belle accent)

[FDInLaw]

Did you all notice that we got sammy, the self-proclaimed one post wonder, up to 7 posts? Should we throw a party for her when she hits 10? :D






:beer:

[FDInLaw]

Any more nic ideas?

I thought up "plzDropIt". . . seems to be a popular sentiment.

- - - - - -

Also, unrelated local news. . . http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=14854

[FDInLaw]

Do you mean him? I didn't say I would only post once. What I said was that I didn't want to participate in the drama. Fat was not exactly what I was referring to, but I guess it was in there. Is Mishell1383 a guy?

Well, there's no drama going on today, so I guess you're safe. :)

[FDInLaw]

I also said I signed up to deliver the message:

"]"GO DEFENSE TEAM!!!"[/[/SIZE]COLOR]

Which I did. I guess I can say it again:

"[COLOR="Red"]GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAMGO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSEGO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! GO DEFENSE TEAM!!! ":lol: No one is going to miss that! I'm sure they appreciate your support.

Let me add this. . .
GET KEV AN ALIBI!

[FDInLaw]

HOW ABOUT UNEEDALIF ? He, he, he . . . tell me about it! :D

YIPPEE! You reached 10 posts already! :beer:

[FDInLaw]

Sounds like a VERY blonde female.

For someone that does not like drama, you're sure not very nice.

[optimumprimal78]

So the new people don't want get into the drama but would they explain why they feel the way they do?

[FDInLaw]

Oh, good grief, Suga. . . place your hand on your back, now move it up and down. . . that's called a back bone! You just posted something about "Justice for Jones" and then deleted it. What gives? :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

So the new people don't want get into the drama but would they explain why they feel the way they do? It appears that reasonable arguments are few and far between on that side of the fence. . . usually all we get here are hit-and-run insults. Sure makes one appreciate SusieQ.

:cool:

[JR2007]

I'm all for justice for KJ. according to the Word Web the definition of Justice is. ----The administration of law; the act of determining rights and assigning rewards or punishments
:patriot:
To me that means if he's innocent then Prove it and let him go.
If he's quilty Prove it and Hang him.

[JR2007]

For someone that does not like drama, you're sure not very nice.
hey Blondie, HE HE:lol:

[FDInLaw]

hey Blondie, HE HE:lol:
:tongue: I'm not blonde, and you know it!

[hawgustusgloop]

Sounds like a VERY blonde female.

Congratulations on your 12th post, sammy72902! :beer:

I think it is super cool how you use all the large colorful fonts. Why stop there? After all, you went to the trouble of registering just to post "Go Defense Team." It would be extra neato if you could do like they do at the Dallas Cowboys games and make a sign with a giant "D" and then make another sign with a picture of a fence on it and hold them up next to each other.

[Mishell1383]

Do you mean him? I didn't say I would only post once. What I said was that I didn't want to participate in the drama. Fat was not exactly what I was referring to, but I guess it was in there.
I am not a guy ! Mishell = Michelle :confused:

[Mishell1383]

AND! the blonde insult was to me, i got two negative comments, one about being blonde ( a new one not the old one, they were just adding to it) And one about my dog being a rocket. And its not that hard to figure out who left it, and Sammy make sure your negs count next time you try to give neg feedback, you need a feedback score of 10 and 50 posts, just so you know when you get up there you can leave me another neg. I'll be waiting for it

[FDInLaw]

I'm all for justice for KJ. according to the Word Web the definition of Justice is. ----The administration of law; the act of determining rights and assigning rewards or punishments
:patriot:
To me that means if he's innocent then Prove it and let him go.
If he's quilty Prove it and Hang him.Excellent post. Now, if Kevin's defense team would stop stalling the legal process, maybe we'll get to see justice served sometime in the next decade.

(P.S. what is "quilty". . . he, he, he. . . you always pick on me! :tongue: )

[FDInLaw]

AND! the blonde insult was to me, i got two negative comments, one about being blonde ( a new one not the old one, they were just adding to it) And one about my dog being a rocket. And its not that hard to figure out who left it, and Sammy make sure your negs count next time you try to give neg feedback, you need a feedback score of 10 and 50 posts, just so you know when you get up there you can leave me another neg. I'll be waiting for it :eek: You got another blonde neg?! Well, you've got 6 boxes up there. . . there must be a lot of folks that do like you. :)

[Mishell1383]

:eek: You got another blonde neg?! Well, you've got 6 boxes up there. . . there must be a lot of folks that do like you. :)
LOL and the funny thing is I'm not blonde! :tongue:

[FDInLaw]

Just so "poor" Kev doesn't feel left out. . . I've changed my Avatar and signature for the day.

Kevin, there is nothing I want more than for you to have justice.

:seeya:

[JR2007]

Actually, I was implying that "I" am a guy, not blondie.....

And I'm Santa Claus.:D

[Mishell1383]

Actually, I was implying that "I" am a guy, not blondie.....
congratulations on your 13th post !!

[FDInLaw]

Actually, I was implying that "I" am a guy, not blondie..... So, you're a guy. . . are you green and do you live under a bridge? :D


(DFTT FD :punch: )

[FDInLaw]

And I'm Santa Claus.:D That would explain all the fruitcake!

:biggrin:

[hawgustusgloop]

Just so "poor" Kev doesn't feel left out. . . I've changed my Avatar and signature for the day.

Kevin, there is nothing I want more than for you to have justice.

:seeya:

I totally agree. I want Kevin to have justice as well.

That pic of Kevin kind of creeps me out a little. And I can't imagine any scenario under which he could have thought THAT haircut was a good idea.

[FDInLaw]

I totally agree. I want Kevin to have justice as well.

That pic of Kevin kind of creeps me out a little. And I can't imagine any scenario under which he could have thought THAT haircut was a good idea.

If it's any consolation, the pic sorta freaks me out too. . . just trying to keep it for the day. Surely Kev will opt for a more clean cut look for the trial. :shrug:

[Mishell1383]

<snipped>
And I can't imagine any scenario under which he could have thought THAT haircut was a good idea.

LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mishell1383]

Do you?.......You guys are real fine citizen's there....making fun of haircuts. Is that the best you can do?
is calling me blondie and leaving neg ( or better yet TRYING to leave) comments on my page the best you can do?

ok thats all im going to add to this, I no longer have time for this

This board is for Nona not you

:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Do you?.......You guys are real fine citizen's there....making fun of haircuts. Is that the best you can do? We are being nice. . . do you have any idea what could be said or talked about here?

[optimumprimal78]

You still haven't explained why you are here. As far as the avatar is concerned its called fair use.

[FDInLaw]

Uhhhhh,,,,, how about how little lives you guys have perusing CL websites all day.... How about fruitcakes-- how you all seem to be fruity.... the list goes on

How about getting a life and making yourselves useful instead of hanging out here all day making accusations and trying to sound like you know what the heck you are talking about? You know, you're right. . .you've come on here and posted "GO DEFENSE TEAM! GO!" like this is merely a football game or something. Then you have proceeded to post insults, such as "very blonde" etc. If you can't or won't articulate your position in an intelligent manner, you are just a waste of my time.

By the way, whether Kevin likes it or not, he has become a public figure. Look into the laws if you like.

[FDInLaw]

Like my avatar? Cute couple wouldn't you say?
Too bad she's dead. :rose: :(

[JR2007]

I totally agree. I want Kevin to have justice as well.

That pic of Kevin kind of creeps me out a little. And I can't imagine any scenario under which he could have thought THAT haircut was a good idea.

Isn't that hairdo called a mushroom. there are reasons it is call a mushroom too. It's be cause you like to be kept in the dark and feed manure.

[FDInLaw]

I agree. Too bad.:rose: But, they did look like they were in loooove.

Why did you remove your avatar? Don't like turnabout?
That picture was taken when they were still in high school. . . to bad things changed.

[JR2007]

This should read IUPG
meaning innocent untill proven guilty

This is all to true. That's why we say we want justice for both sides.
All we are trying to do on here is to make sense of the evidence we know about, it all leads one way. I will say this for everyone on here that if there is evidence proving innocents then bring it forward. We would like nothing better. Justice be served.
:shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

Do you?.......You guys are real fine citizen's there....making fun of haircuts. Is that the best you can do?

I was not making fun of the haircut. I just couldn't imagine why someone would ever decide to do it. That is not the best I can do. If I were trying to make fun of it I would've said more, possibly using the words, "Jethro," "turnip truck," or even "Mushmouth from Fat Albert."

I can't say why FD changed her avatar, but maybe it was just creeping everyone out.

IMO I want justice to be served in this case and for the person truly responsible for Nona's murder to be convicted and punished. If Creepy McCreeperton didn't do it, then I want him to be free to keep doing whatever it is that he does. I have said before that I hate to think that Nona's last thoughts were that someone she loved could hurt her so brutally. K.Jo isn't necessarily the bad guy here. Nona's murderer is. Some of us just happen to think that perhaps they are the same person. My opinion only.

[Mishell1383]

:rose: RIP Nona

[JR2007]

Hmmmm......... haven't seen a thing on here about justice for both sides, except the ones with extremely dark, sarcastic undertones because you are so certain that K. Jo. is guilty. Ironic you say that though. I think you would truly like to see yourselves that way, and one or two of you may actually be, but the majority of you are not, at all. This site isn't about justice for both sides at all. It's about condemming people and picking and tearing people's lives apart. I'm all for justice4nona, but IUPG is right up there with it. You people are extremely vindictive. :shrug: Go figure.
Your not reading what we say. If KJ is innocent we want nothing more then him to be free. We base all our opinions on the evidence which has been made public. I'm sorry but we haven't heard anything which remotely exonerates him. Bring it on. Please.

[hawgustusgloop]

I truly have nothing to bring on.

Alas, sammy72902, we have arrived at the crux of your problem.

ETA: Congratulations on your 25th post!

[JR2007]

You are soooo full of crap!!!! I am clearly hearing (reading) every thing you say and every tone it is meant in, sir. I truly have nothing to bring on. You already have proved yourself to be a bunch of nitwits, and arguing points with you or anyone on here is worthless of good time.

Listen Mac_ every time we ask for facts or anything helping to prove kj innocents, out comes the name calling and childish banter. If you don't like what your read , Don't read It. You have to like reading our post or you wouldn't be reading here.
Bye sis.
:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Blahhh Blahhhh Blahhh Blahhh

Brilliantly articulated, but I'm still not convinced.

Congrats on your 26th post, though.

[Mishell1383]

Listen Mac_ every time we ask for facts or anything helping to prove kj innocents, out comes the name calling and childish banter. If you don't like what your read , Don't read It. You have to like reading our post or you wouldn't be reading here.
Bye sis.
:seeya:

Some of your posts Sammy that I found rather amusing - You already have proved yourself to be a bunch of nitwits, and arguing points with you or anyone on here is worthless of good time.

how about how little lives you guys have perusing CL websites all day.... How about fruitcakes-- how you all seem to be fruity.... the list goes on

How about getting a life and making yourselves useful instead of hanging out here all day making accusations and trying to sound like you know what the heck you are talking about?

Than stop checking in "throughout the day" and seeing what we post throughout the day, you can't wait to see what fresh responses we have for you to insult us with. :biggrin:

You people are extremely vindictive - do you know what vindictive means?
1.disposed or inclined to revenge; vengeful
What revenge have we imposed in this forum? You have been the one that seems to be showing vengeful acts, by giving negative remarks because you don't like

And while I'm at it let me give you the definition of hypocrite
1.a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

and some wonderful synonyms that go perfectly with you in mind -deceiver, dissembler, pretender, pharisee.

[FDInLaw]

also vindictive- proceeding from or showing a revengeful spirit: vindictive rumors- synonym spiteful

could add petty to that- meaning Of small importance; trivial;Marked by narrowness of mind, ideas, or views.
Marked by meanness or lack of generosity

meaning of hypecrite is pretty exact, yes it fits you all very well.
Pray tell, what vindictive rumors have vitimized poor Kev here?

[FDInLaw]

pretty much the whole site and everything that comes out of yours and your followers' mouths:rolleyes: :eek: Are you serious? You mean to say that Kevin Jones wasn't arrested and is not awaiting trial for the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer? Yikes! How could so many people be so wrong?

[hawgustusgloop]

I am no more a hypocrite than any you who claim "to want justice for everyone". What might my hippocracy be. I am dying to know.

Well, I guess I'll start. I decided to take your advice and go try to get a life. While I was out on that quest, I came back to find that sammy72902 had been spending enough of his or her time here to make 4 more posts! Congratulations on the big 3-0, by the way.

So, sammy72902, is there any particular reason you are shying away from discussing the case? :chicken: ? Do you believe K.Jo is innocent? Why? I am going to hold my breath until I get an answer.

[FDInLaw]

Since the present conversation appears to be going nowhere (we need a broken record icon bad!). . .

We have less than a month until the hearing, why not go over the items the defense has presented. This article mentions the DNA found on the condom, and other topics that have been discussed at length here, however, it also mentions "physical evidence that will be used by the defense including e-mails, phone records, and a picture of Dirksmeyer and Jones together." This hasn't been discussed much. Why is a picture of Kevin and Nona together considered evidence? Did they submit phone records that the prosecution did not have? Any thoughts on the possible significance of these things?

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0107/386919.html

[JR2007]

Since the present conversation appears to be going nowhere (we need a broken record icon bad!). . .

We have less than a month until the hearing, why not go over the items the defense has presented. This article mentions the DNA found on the condom, and other topics that have been discussed at length here, however, it also mentions "physical evidence that will be used by the defense including e-mails, phone records, and a picture of Dirksmeyer and Jones together." This hasn't been discussed much. Why is a picture of Kevin and Nona together considered evidence? Did they submit phone records that the prosecution did not have? Any thoughts on the possible significance of these things?

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0107/386919.html

As far as the picture is concerned they will probably say that it shows how much he loved her. Just look at it you can tell.
:rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

As far as the picture is concerned they will probably say that it shows how much he loved her. Just look at it you can tell.
:rolleyes:
That was my thought too. . . for the sake of their argument, I hope they were able to dig up a more recent photo than the one shown here on the board today.

[JR2007]

That would explain all the fruitcake!

:biggrin:
Hey, I happen to love fruitcake.:D

[JR2007]

That was my thought too. . . for the sake of their argument, I hope they were able to dig up a more recent photo than the one shown here on the board today.

That argument will need viagra to stand up in court.:biggrin:

[hawgustusgloop]

Since the present conversation appears to be going nowhere (we need a broken record icon bad!). . .

We have less than a month until the hearing, why not go over the items the defense has presented. This article mentions the DNA found on the condom, and other topics that have been discussed at length here, however, it also mentions "physical evidence that will be used by the defense including e-mails, phone records, and a picture of Dirksmeyer and Jones together." This hasn't been discussed much. Why is a picture of Kevin and Nona together considered evidence? Did they submit phone records that the prosecution did not have? Any thoughts on the possible significance of these things?

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0107/386919.html

As far as the email records and phone records, there are millions of possibilities. Maybe they show he was trying to contact her from a different phone before his cell phone call at 2 p.m., or maybe they show that other people were calling her as well.

I think a big thing for the defense will be making it make sense that he was SO worried about Nona after such a short time that he had to go to her apartment and check on her. So, maybe the emails could be construed to indicate she might have been suicidal, or maybe it says something like, I'm so worried about Mr. X, Kevin, he has been following me after class, in order to cast suspicion elsewhere. Something that would make the inability to reach her by phone seem like an emergency. I don't necessarily believe that's the contents of the email and phone records, but those are a couple of possibilities.

As for the picture, if the defense is trying to make it look like they were SOOO in love, that cuts both ways. It could also be construed by a jury as Nona being victimized by someone she loved and trusted, like K.Jo was a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[FDInLaw]

Hey, I happen to love fruitcake.:D I wonder if the use of the word "fruitcake" in your signature is why sammy is calling you "old man". . . not that her insults need to make sense.

[JR2007]

Hey FD
I am going to have to go lay down for a minute and take a nap. Us old people get tired and must have rest often.
You being the fearless lead must be a drain on your energy too.;)

[FDInLaw]

That argument will need viagra to stand up in court.:biggrin:

:lol: Oh my, you're so bad. . . LMBO!

[JR2007]

:lol: Oh my, you're so bad. . . LMBO!
I have to take viagra to get up in the morning.;)

[FDInLaw]

As far as the email records and phone records, there are millions of possibilities. Maybe they show he was trying to contact her from a different phone before his cell phone call at 2 p.m., or maybe they show that other people were calling her as well.

I think a big thing for the defense will be making it make sense that he was SO worried about Nona after such a short time that he had to go to her apartment and check on her. So, maybe the emails could be construed to indicate she might have been suicidal, or maybe it says something like, I'm so worried about Mr. X, Kevin, he has been following me after class, in order to cast suspicion elsewhere. Something that would make the inability to reach her by phone seem like an emergency. I don't necessarily believe that's the contents of the email and phone records, but those are a couple of possibilities.

As for the picture, if the defense is trying to make it look like they were SOOO in love, that cuts both ways. It could also be construed by a jury as Nona being victimized by someone she loved and trusted, like K.Jo was a wolf in sheep's clothing. If Kevin was trying to contact Nona via a different phone it would have still showed up on Nona's phone records. The idea that maybe others had tried and told Kevin that they could not get through would help Kevin's case. Like you mention, the time span is a real issue. . . why was Kevin so concerned, especially considering Nona had a final scheduled for that afternoon.

Thanks for your ideas Hawg!

:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Hey FD
I am going to have to go lay down for a minute and take a nap. Us old people get tired and must have rest often.
You being the fearless lead must be a drain on your energy too.;) Don't forget to take your Geritol!

:biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

:lol: :lol: :no: You are soooo full of crap!!!! I am clearly hearing (reading) every thing you say and every tone it is meant in, sir. I truly have nothing to bring on. You already have proved yourself to be a bunch of nitwits, and arguing points with you or anyone on here is worthless of good time.

Except an poorly chosen and in bad taste avatar and flaming/baiting? I almost feel sorry for Kevin that the one person who has showed up lately that is so vocal, is argumentative and (if truly a representative of the justice for Jones campaign), would pervert the thought that he deserves such loyalty. Party hardy? Is that the anthem of all of his supporters? Or just the younger and more irresponsible ones? I'm also stymied that you have the ability to clearly hear everything said and understand every tone intended, yet you seem to be incapable of conversing in a normal manner. (Is there a DSM classification for that?)

Oh well, something tells me that the reason that they're aren't more KJ supporters here is that most of them are under a gag order. And something also tells me that most of the Jones support is for his long suffering parents rather than for him.

[JR2007]

Don't forget to take your Geritol!

:biggrin:

What's Geritol?

[FDInLaw]

What's Geritol?

http://www.geritol.com/information.aspx

Me thinks you need another nap! :D

[FDInLaw]

I agree. Too bad.:rose: But, they did look like they were in loooove.

Why did you remove your avatar? Don't like turnabout? You have made your point and I have removed Kevin's pic. The picture you have posted as your avatar causes a number of people pain, please remove it for their sake. If your sentiments to Nona's family were sincere on the other thread you will remove it. . . please find some other way to express your irritation with me that does not cause others grief. Thanks in advance ~ FD

For Nona. . . :rose:

[FDInLaw]

Yes. They are truly sincere X 1 million.
Sincere thanks. ~ FD

[optimumprimal78]

Sammy,

Do you have anymore pictures of KJ? You know with a beer coozie around his neck? At party? Out hangin' with friends? Trying to find the actual killer? If he is innocent (which he could be) then why hasn't he been trying to find who did it and why would he be offended at the Justice for Nona stickers? Wouldn't he want to find the killer?

[hawgustusgloop]

Has anyone on here ever considered that, whether he did it or not, that his loved ones are also hurting an incredible amount? IF he did do it, they did not have any control over his actions whatsoever. Either way, his love ones loved him and inevitably will stand by him. So while you all are up on your high horses, inspecting and bashing every piece of his life, making fun, making jokes, making inuendos, and whatever else it is you all do all day, you are also hurting innocent people maliciously. You all never think of that do you?

I have ALWAYS felt bad for Kevin's family and friends who have been put in this situation, and I have said as much on this board. If he did commit this crime, he is also lying to them and letting them put their resources and hearts into defending him. It makes me very sad to think about the possibility that they will attend the trial and, when presented with the evidence, may come to be convinced that he was lying to them the entire time and that he killed someone that they were also once close to. It hurts to think that they could someday realize that he was just using them, garnering their support just to try to help himself get away with murder. All my opinion only.

[hawgustusgloop]

Yes IF he did do it, he should have thought of that first and saved them all the pain, but even so, it still doesn't make it their fault. They could be losing a loved one as well. It wouldn't be by him physically tragically being ripped away as was Nona, but it could be EVERY BIT as devastating. This will be the last of my posting. I'll let you all get on about your bashing lives.

It is unfortunate that you don't want to post anymore. Your last 2 posts are actually well-thought out, reasonable, and nicely written. Much better than the cheering and name-calling IMO.

[Mishell1383]

Sammy,

Do you have anymore pictures of KJ? You know with a beer coozie around his neck? At party? Out hangin' with friends? Trying to find the actual killer? If he is innocent (which he could be) then why hasn't he been trying to find who did it and why would he be offended at the Justice for Nona stickers? Wouldn't he want to find the killer?
My thoughts EXACTLY !

[JR2007]

Yes IF he did do it, he should have thought of that first and saved them all the pain, but even so, it still doesn't make it their fault. They could be losing a loved one as well. It wouldn't be by him physically tragically being ripped away as was Nona, but it could be EVERY BIT as devastating. This will be the last of my posting. I'll let you all get on about your bashing lives.

I Thank you for you comments. All of us forget about the other loved ones from time to time. KJs parents and loved ones have been in my prayers and I feel for them greatly. They had very little to do with this, even if they had anger management issues themselves. Kids all turn out differently under the same circumstances. I know I have 4 children and they all have different personalities, some opposites.
Again though I say if it is painful to read here, don't.

And as far as being on the computer all day I leave my computer on 24/7
I stop by every hour or so to see if there is something new. and may post at that time. I get more done in a day then most get done it 2 days. Ask the people who know me, I'll stand by their views.
Again thank you.

[JR2007]

It is unfortunate that you don't want to post anymore. Your last 2 posts are actually well-thought out, reasonable, and nicely written. Much better than the cheering and name-calling IMO.
I agree Hawgust. I felt it must be a different person writing under the name Sammy. AMO

[optimumprimal78]

I have never bashed the kid. Since I know many of the same people that he does I have had the opportunity to be around him. I do feel that IF he (or anyone for that matter) is accused of something as severe as murder then he should not put himself or people that love him in a situation that more things can happen. This includes the partying that he does. That is if he loves them. They have sacrificed many things (time, money, a store) to help him in this situation so the LEAST he could do is not be around a potential problem. The story that ran (and later denied) about the girl who was raped is the main example. If this did not happen then why would he even be in a position to be around something like this (where drugs and alcohol are in play)? It makes no sense.

As far as the slogan goes, he might not be offended by it but it obviously hurts someone's feelings in his camp. Would they not want justice for her as well? Nothing has stopped them from printing stickers. They proved this by having it on billboards. Yes it was taken down but it did not have to be if the owners did not want it to.

[FDInLaw]

Has anyone on here ever considered that, whether he did it or not, that his loved ones are also hurting an incredible amount? IF he did do it, they did not have any control over his actions whatsoever. Either way, his love ones loved him and inevitably will stand by him. So while you all are up on your high horses, inspecting and bashing every piece of his life, making fun, making jokes, making inuendos, and whatever else it is you all do all day, you are also hurting innocent people maliciously. You all never think of that do you?

There is no doubt that Kevin's family is grieving a great deal. I have heard that Janis cared a great deal for Nona, not to mention the fact that her son is awaiting trial. . . she must be truly devastated. Not for one second would I want to be in her shoes. There are many in the community that hold Kevin's loved ones up in prayer and sincerely wish this all would have never happened. . . but unfortunately it did. The bitter truth is this, there is nothing that a stranger can say that will cut deeper than the actions of your own child. Regardless of whether or not Kevin is guilty. . . he is in the public eye and folks can blame the Courier all they want, but Kevin willfully placed himself (and continues to place himself) in situations that do not shed a good light on him or his family. Kevin's own actions cause his family pain. The week the rape allegations hit the paper must have been horrible for the families evolved. If I were Janis I would have wanted to hide at home and it would have taken a great deal of courage just to go to work. What I feel personally for the Jones family is a deep grief. . . I can't imagine what they are going through. In the same token though, I am frustrated with them. . . have they tried to check Kevin's behavior? He still lives at home, it's not like they don't have some leverage. Also, the Whitesides. . . they are taking legal action but have they assured the community that such parties will not occur in their home again? The sad truth is, this group of kids has gone way beyond the partying that most consider "normal" for this age group. Several of the kids in question are traveling down the self-destructive road of serious substance abuse. If their families do not step in there is only more heart break on the horizon. MOO

[Mishell1383]

I have never bashed the kid. Since I know many of the same people that he does I have had the opportunity to be around him. I do feel that IF he (or anyone for that matter) is accused of something as severe as murder then he should not put himself or people that love him in a situation that more things can happen. This includes the partying that he does. That is if he loves them. They have sacrificed many things (time, money, a store) to help him in this situation so the LEAST he could do is not be around a potential problem. The story that ran (and later denied) about the girl who was raped is the main example. If this did not happen then why would he even be in a position to be around something like this (where drugs and alcohol are in play)? It makes no sense.

As far as the slogan goes, he might not be offended by it but it obviously hurts someone's feelings in his camp. Would they not want justice for her as well? Nothing has stopped them from printing stickers. They proved this by having it on billboards. Yes it was taken down but it did not have to be if the owners did not want it to.
we're definitly on the same page ! with this subject anyway !! lol :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Has anyone on here ever considered that, whether he did it or not, that his loved ones are also hurting an incredible amount? IF he did do it, they did not have any control over his actions whatsoever. Either way, his love ones loved him and inevitably will stand by him. So while you all are up on your high horses, inspecting and bashing every piece of his life, making fun, making jokes, making inuendos, and whatever else it is you all do all day, you are also hurting innocent people maliciously. You all never think of that do you?

I think that many on the board and in the community have sympathy for KJ's parents, and while they did not have control over whatever happened between him and Nona, now that he is to be tried, they can enforce some control over him by insisting that he live by a decent set of house rules and seeing to it that he follows the conditions of his bond agreement. I particularly feel sorry that his mother had to see Nona's body; even if Kevin is acquitted, she will surely never forget that. And I don't doubt that she enjoyed having Nona be a part of his life; she seemed like a treasure among a group of his friends who are of dubious sensibilities and morals.

(Ryan Whiteside and his parents ought to exercise more caution and responsibility in the future also if there is hope that he will not pervert his appearance as an honest and credible witness.)

To me, justice for Nona means that her killer will be punished, regardless of whom he is; at any rate, today a murderer is free.

A little OT, but I hope that we have good coverage of the motions put forth and the trial. It has been asked before, does anyone plan to attend?

[FDInLaw]

Did I miss something? I haven't been on the board much today but I just noticed that Sammy72902 must have been banned. . . all his posts are gone! What's going on? :shrug:

Could Sammy have requested to be removed? :confused:

[Mishell1383]

Did I miss something? I haven't been on the board much today but I just noticed that Sammy72902 must have been banned. . . all his posts are gone! What's going on? :shrug:

Could Sammy have requested to be removed? :confused:
possible. Maybe he was Kevin? Or one of Kevin's Cronies !?

[FDInLaw]

possible. Maybe he was Kevin? Or one of Kevin's Cronies !? The number 72902 is the zip code for Fort Smith. . . I don't know? I seriously doubt that Kevin would post on here, but his friends have been known to post elsewhere if not here (from what I have been able to verify). Since the gag order things have been quieter though.

JMO

[Amy]

Since the present conversation appears to be going nowhere (we need a broken record icon bad!). . .

We have less than a month until the hearing, why not go over the items the defense has presented. This article mentions the DNA found on the condom, and other topics that have been discussed at length here, however, it also mentions "physical evidence that will be used by the defense including e-mails, phone records, and a picture of Dirksmeyer and Jones together." This hasn't been discussed much. Why is a picture of Kevin and Nona together considered evidence? Did they submit phone records that the prosecution did not have? Any thoughts on the possible significance of these things?

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0107/386919.html

Ah, yes. I remember that article (thanks for bringing it to the fore.)

The computer access. Now, that would have to be by someone who would possible know Nona's password(s.) A long-time (boy)friend maybe, but I wouldn't think ALL her b/f's would know that.

And, I am with you. A picture of Nona and Jason together means---what? Even if it shows them lovey-dovey and smiling--when was it taken? And, there are any number of pics of couples (happy, smiling, etc) where one of the couple have killed the other. So, I am not sure what the pic would bring to the table.

IMO

[JR2007]

Ah, yes. I remember that article (thanks for bringing it to the fore.)

The computer access. Now, that would have to be by someone who would possible know Nona's password(s.) A long-time (boy)friend maybe, but I wouldn't think ALL her b/f's would know that.

And, I am with you. A picture of Nona and Jason together means---what? Even if it shows them lovey-dovey and smiling--when was it taken? And, there are any number of pics of couples (happy, smiling, etc) where one of the couple have killed the other. So, I am not sure what the pic would bring to the table.

IMO

Amy this was something like what I had posted months ago and someone pointed out that at home most of us don't use passwords on our computers. The evidence didn't say how the computer was accessed either. Sometimes when I'm at work on my computer, there is a message that says that I am on line, etc. This is a message that is sent from my home computer. Some times it can be because my Internet connection is lost, at home, and when it comes back up my computer restarts the program and sends everyone on my buddy list a message that says I am on line now. This all so happens in reverse from my work computer to home. If the cleaning people at work move my mouse I think it will give me that message. If a mouse moves my mouse the same thing.:)
So to me a person would have to know why they say the computer was accessed. AMO.

[Amy]

Thanks.

My computer is off unless one of us is on it. My DD knows my password--wouldn't have a clue what her or DS's is. She mostly uses her laptop--which is turned off unless she is using it. My sister has a laptop, and it is off unless she is using it. So, didn't have a clue that people leave them on all the time.
(Altho, I'm betting I read you post about leaving yours on, at the time.) Just, it's been a while.

[JR2007]

[quote=Amy;8863311]Thanks.

My computer is off unless one of us is on it. My DD knows my password--wouldn't have a clue what her or DS's is. She mostly uses her laptop--which is turned off unless she is using it. My sister has a laptop, and it is off unless she is using it. So, didn't have a clue that people leave them on all the time.

Most people I know leave them running 24/7. Originally we did that because it was easier on the hard drive. Now days I don't think it matters which way you use it. Unless you have a laptop and want to save on battery life. For me it's just too inconvenant to restart it every time I want to look up something. To each his own.
:)

[twisted_angel74]

I just wanted to Thank all of you that sent me *Welcomes* to the board,I hope to post something soon,but Im still in the process of reading ALL the other post,Hope your all having a Great Holiday Weekend...

[FDInLaw]

I just wanted to Thank all of you that sent me *Welcomes* to the board,I hope to post something soon,but Im still in the process of reading ALL the other post,Hope your all having a Great Holiday Weekend... WELCOME TO THE BOARDS! :seeya:

[JR2007]

I just wanted to Thank all of you that sent me *Welcomes* to the board,I hope to post something soon,but Im still in the process of reading ALL the other post,Hope your all having a Great Holiday Weekend...
Hello, and welcome:seeya:

[Mishell1383]

I just wanted to Thank all of you that sent me *Welcomes* to the board,I hope to post something soon,but Im still in the process of reading ALL the other post,Hope your all having a Great Holiday Weekend...
LOL good luck reading all the posts ! I know I did and it took me FOREVER! But needless to say, very interesting.

WELCOME ! :seeya:

[Brainstorm]

LOL good luck reading all the posts ! I know I did and it took me FOREVER! But needless to say, very interesting.

WELCOME ! :seeya:

I agree.This and one other,the Tara Grinstead forum, is the two I began posting on when I joined CL.I'm patiently(ha ha) wainting for the trial to begin.I formed my opinion after reading everything I could find, and I agree with the prosecution, they have the right man.....
jmhho