Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[Brainstorm]

Welcome to the board! :seeya:

I'm sure that the DNA evidence, that was filled by the defense last week, is the reason why the trial date has been moved.

That was my assumption also but seems to me if the defense was so sure this info. would clear KJ,they would BE RUNNING to the couthouse to get this trial underway. I admit I don't understand defense strategies.

JMOO

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for the welcome FD! How do you guys think the jury will look at how KJ has spent his time after the arrest? I know that he has been seen riding around with friends and trying to live some sort of life but I wonder how his day to day activities since being arrested will come into play.

Guess it will partially depend on whether or not Kevin can keep his nose clean between now and July. A DUI wouldn't be good, for instance.

[FDInLaw]

That was my assumption also but seems to me if the defense was so sure this info. would clear KJ,they would BE RUNNING to the couthouse to get this trial underway. I admit I don't understand defense strategies.

JMOO


The prosecution filed for the change of date.

[optimumprimal78]

The prosecution filed for the change of date.


Does that mean they have new evidence or weren't as prepared as they needed? HMMMM Interesting.

[lemoncello]

more on delay:
http://64.233.129.31/story.php?ID=13498

freshwater interviewed!
http://64.233.129.31/story.php?ID=13496

[FDInLaw]

Does that mean they have new evidence or weren't as prepared as they needed? HMMMM Interesting.

With the defense filing their evidence just two weeks before the trial date, I believe it is normal for the prosecution to want some time to look at it. July may just be the next date available.

[optimumprimal78]

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Really? Nona was a very beautiful, talented, SINGLE, young woman with so much potential that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she was dating other men. IMO, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, unless, of course, you happen to be KJ's defense attorney - you know how to spell
M-O-T-I-V-E? But that's besides the point.

If you were to look at the involved parties sexual history look no further than Mr. Jones. He did go to school in Fayetteville and has had a reputation for partying (as a lot of college age students do). If KJ was jealous because she was seeing someone else then he must have some real issues because he was surely doing his own thing if you know what I mean.

[Amy]

more on delay:
http://64.233.129.31/story.php?ID=13498

freshwater interviewed!
http://64.233.129.31/story.php?ID=13496

Hmmmm:

Editor’s note: This is the first in a series on how blogs and message boards can disseminate information and influence crime investigations.

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Wonder if one of the series will talk with investigators about whether or not they check the boards, or the attorneys. ;)

[FDInLaw]

Hmmmm:

Editor’s note: This is the first in a series on how blogs and message boards can disseminate information and influence crime investigations.

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Wonder if one of the series will talk with investigators about whether or not they check the boards, or the attorneys. ;)

Hey Amy!

I caught that too. . . what's ironic on a basic level, is that by doing the articles The Courier is going to increase local traffic here. That means more newbies. . . the more the merrier! I wonder if Janie will include a section on how the local paper "disseminates and influences." :rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

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Really? Nona was a very beautiful, talented, SINGLE, young woman with so much potential that it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she was dating other men. IMO, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, unless, of course, you happen to be KJ's defense attorney - you know how to spell
M-O-T-I-V-E? But that's besides the point. It's just too unusual, too odd, for a condom wrapper to be on the kitchen counter, IMO. I think the PO hit the nail on the head with his assessment in the PCS. JMHO.

One thing to keep in mind regarding the condom wrapper on the kitchen counter. . . how odd it is really depends on Nona and her habits. If you all find me dead and there's a condom wrapper on the counter, that would be extremely odd, because I am a surface neat person and trash doesn't just lay around my house. The question is, what kind of person was Nona? Was she a neat freak? If her home was generally cluttered and messy the presence of the wrapper might not be as odd as one would expect. Regardless, these questions still remain; Where did it come from? When was it placed there? Is it anyway connected with her murder? Personally, I’m torn between the “it was planted” theory and wondering if it was just laying there and might have been the trigger that set Kevin off. JMO

[FDInLaw]

"Attorneys for Jones filed two motions and a brief Monday. The first motion asked for the charges against Jones to be dismissed or for the jury to be given specific instructions during the trial regarding the contents of Dirksmeyer’s cell phone SIM card.
In their motion, defense attorneys allege the Russellville Police Department allowed the phone to leave the evidence room and police custody for a period of two months. During that time, “the contents of the sim [sic] card had been totally erased,” according to the document.
The State Crime Lab reportedly downloaded the contents of the SIM card before it allegedly left police custody.
Jones’ attorneys asked the court to either dismiss the case or to instruct the jury to assume anything on the SIM card “be construed as unfavorable to the State and favorable to the Defendant,” according to the motion.
The second motion requested a court order “prohibiting the State from arguing, asserting, or even suggesting [Jones’ bloody fingerprints found on the alleged murder weapon] were made at any time prior to the discovery” of Dirksmeyer’s body, based on the defense’s tests of blood drying time on lightbulbs, according to the motion. A brief filed in support of the motion contained an affidavit from John Kilbourn and Rodger Morrison, the defense experts who conducted the experiments, outlining their conclusions.
Patterson said Tuesday morning he hasn’t received copies of the defense motions. He said depending on the issues addressed, the motions may not be considered until the first day of trial."

To read the complete article see:
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13503

[FDInLaw]

I'd love to get my hands on those defense motions to see the specifics. IMO, it sounds like defense attorney SOP (or SOBS), submit just conclusions, duh! Of course the trial will be delayed. Sounds like they're grasping to me. Of course, without the motions it's JMVHO.

It seems to me that every time the defense files something they ask for the charges to be dropped. We'll have to wait and see if any of these motions are taken seriously by the judge.

Nona was not alone that day she died. . . God was there . . . He knows who did this to her. As Nona passed into eternity and He whipped all her fear and pain away in an instant with His embrace. . . I believe that. He is not far from any of us. Please pray for the truth to be known and for justice to be served. ~ FD

[Brainstorm]

Amen. I totally agree FD and my prayers continue for the family of Nona.

[FDInLaw]

I'd love to get my hands on those defense motions to see the specifics. IMO, it sounds like defense attorney SOP (or SOBS), submit just conclusions, duh! Of course the trial will be delayed. Sounds like they're grasping to me. Of course, without the motions it's JMVHO.

There is obviously something on Nona's cell phone that they don't want the Jury to see.

Well, Kevin has another 6 months to run around thanks to all this. :(

[Results]

There is obviously something on Nona's cell phone that they don't want the Jury to see.

Well, Kevin has another 6 months to run around thanks to all this. :(

FD, I'm sorry but I didn't understand that fingerprint on the murder weapon. Are they saying that Jones prints were on that from previous and the blood dried into his fingerprint which made his fingerprint in blood? Forensics should be able to tell that wouldn't they? What are the odds of that or am I reading that wrong? I don't get what they are claiming about the bloody fingerprint. Also, is the judge buying this crap or legally he has to post pone the trial for the defense? I just don't understand the delay for 6 months because what needs to be done for another 6 months? Sorry for all the questions but I just don't get the fingerprint issue. I know you are frustrated and I know how you feel. The only thing I can tell you is keep fighting for Nona believe it or not one voice can make all the difference in the world. What might not mean much to you might mean everything to someone else. You have a done a wonderful job in keeping this case alive and upfront. Please be aware of that and know that you have done an awesome job even when it got frustrating...you stayed. Keep up the good work! :rose:

[woopig_sooie]

There is obviously something on Nona's cell phone that they don't want the Jury to see.

Well, Kevin has another 6 months to run around thanks to all this. :(
Thats not the case IMO, the reason for the motion is due to the poor investigation by the Russellville PD. They let a piece of evidence out of their site before allowing the defense a chance to examine it. Who's to say that something of value to the defense wasn't erased from the card. I know the State Crime Lab supposedly downloaded the info before hand, but the defense has the right to fully examine every piece of evidence. This is poor investigative technique, and will bite the prosecution in the rear when this is all over. Like I've said all along, the RPD does not have the experience and/or training to perform such an investigation.

I don't know much about law, but IMO if the defense didn't get a fair chance to examine the phone, then why should the prosecution be able to use what they found?

[FDInLaw]

Thats not the case IMO, the reason for the motion is due to the poor investigation by the Russellville PD. They let a piece of evidence out of their site before allowing the defense a chance to examine it. Who's to say that something of value to the defense wasn't erased from the card. I know the State Crime Lab supposedly downloaded the info before hand, but the defense has the right to fully examine every piece of evidence. This is poor investigative technique, and will bite the prosecution in the rear when this is all over. Like I've said all along, the RPD does not have the experience and/or training to perform such an investigation.

I don't know much about law, but IMO if the defense didn't get a fair chance to examine the phone, then why should the prosecution be able to use what they found?

What was on the SIM card should be verifiable by the phone carrier. . . am I wrong? I'm sure Mark Frost called up the cell phone company and asked them to remove a few of the calls. . . good grief (sarcasm off). If Kevin's defense team had the goods to get him off (an alibi, another more probable suspect, etc.) they would present it. As it is, they are left to do their best to make sure as little evidence as possible is presented to the jury. It is true that the defense has the right to the actual evidence. . . and apparently the RPD blew it here. Still, the State Crime Lab did make a copy of the contents.

[FDInLaw]

FD, I'm sorry but I didn't understand that fingerprint on the murder weapon. Are they saying that Jones prints were on that from previous and the blood dried into his fingerprint which made his fingerprint in blood? Forensics should be able to tell that wouldn't they? What are the odds of that or am I reading that wrong? I don't get what they are claiming about the bloody fingerprint. Also, is the judge buying this crap or legally he has to post pone the trial for the defense? I just don't understand the delay for 6 months because what needs to be done for another 6 months? Sorry for all the questions but I just don't get the fingerprint issue. I know you are frustrated and I know how you feel. The only thing I can tell you is keep fighting for Nona believe it or not one voice can make all the difference in the world. What might not mean much to you might mean everything to someone else. You have a done a wonderful job in keeping this case alive and upfront. Please be aware of that and know that you have done an awesome job even when it got frustrating...you stayed. Keep up the good work! :rose:

The prosecution filed for the change of trial date. . . last week the defense filed some evidence with incomplete information. I'm not sure I fully understand what is going on with the bloody fingerprint either. Seems the defense has produced an expert(s) that disagrees with the findings of the State.

Thanks for the encouragement, Results! It means more than you know.

[woopig_sooie]

What was on the SIM card should be verifiable by the phone carrier. . . am I wrong? I'm sure Mark Frost called up the cell phone company and asked them to remove a few of the calls. . . good grief (sarcasm off). If Kevin's defense team had the goods to get him off (an alibi, another more probable suspect, etc.) they would present it. As it is, they are left to do their best to make sure as little evidence as possible is presented to the jury. It is true that the defense has the right to the actual evidence. . . and apparently the RPD blew it here. Still, the State Crime Lab did make a copy of the contents.
I never meant to make it sound that Gibbins or Frost deleted evidence from the phone. What I'm getting at is what if there were other calls, text messages, etc. that might point to another person as the killer?

Also if the RPD messed this up, then what else did they do wrong during the investigation?

Also, FD... I don't believe I've ever said it, but I understand that you are connected to the family and I am deeply sorry for your loss. I just don't believe that KJ is the guilty party.

[optimumprimal78]

I never meant to make it sound that Gibbins or Frost deleted evidence from the phone. What I'm getting at is what if there were other calls, text messages, etc. that might point to another person as the killer.

Also if the RPD messed this up, then what else did they do wrong during the investigation?

If I read the article in the paper right, didn't the State Police make a copy of the data on the SIM card? If so, they should have that information available including other calls and messages.

[FDInLaw]

I never meant to make it sound that Gibbins or Frost deleted evidence from the phone. What I'm getting at is what if there were other calls, text messages, etc. that might point to another person as the killer.

Also if the RPD messed this up, then what else did they do wrong during the investigation?

The contents of the SIM card were saved. Are you suggesting that did not include all calls and text messages? I would be totally shocked if the State Lab didn't make a record of EVERYTHING that was on there.

Well, you have nothing to worry about, I'm sure if the RPD messed up somewhere else Kevin's defense team will find it and utilize it for their advantage. . . that's what they're paid for.

[woopig_sooie]

If I read the article in the paper right, didn't the State Police make a copy of the data on the SIM card? If so, they should have that information available including other calls and messages.

you are right, it should be available. I guess to me it's just that fact that the defense is being told what was on the phone and doens't have a chance to see for theirselves. There's always room for error, and everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully the State Crime Lab recorded the data properly.

[woopig_sooie]

The contents of the SIM card were saved. Are you suggesting that did not include all calls and text messages? I would be totally shocked if the State Lab didn't make a record of EVERYTHING that was on there.

Well, you have nothing to worry about, I'm sure if the RPD messed up somewhere else Kevin's defense team will find it and utilize it for their advantage. . . that's what they're paid for.
I'm not suggesting anything, just putting my in $0.02
I don't know why, but I just have alot of doubt in this case. Again, FD I'm sorry for your loss, and if Kevin is the killer I hope he gets what he deserves. i just don't believe he did it............ Goodnight all :patriot:

[Amy]

"Attorneys for Jones filed two motions and a brief Monday. The first motion asked for the charges against Jones to be dismissed or for the jury to be given specific instructions during the trial regarding the contents of Dirksmeyer’s cell phone SIM card.
In their motion, defense attorneys allege the Russellville Police Department allowed the phone to leave the evidence room and police custody for a period of two months. During that time, “the contents of the sim [sic] card had been totally erased,” according to the document.
The State Crime Lab reportedly downloaded the contents of the SIM card before it allegedly left police custody.
Jones’ attorneys asked the court to either dismiss the case or to instruct the jury to assume anything on the SIM card “be construed as unfavorable to the State and favorable to the Defendant,” according to the motion.
The second motion requested a court order “prohibiting the State from arguing, asserting, or even suggesting [Jones’ bloody fingerprints found on the alleged murder weapon] were made at any time prior to the discovery” of Dirksmeyer’s body, based on the defense’s tests of blood drying time on lightbulbs, according to the motion. A brief filed in support of the motion contained an affidavit from John Kilbourn and Rodger Morrison, the defense experts who conducted the experiments, outlining their conclusions.
Patterson said Tuesday morning he hasn’t received copies of the defense motions. He said depending on the issues addressed, the motions may not be considered until the first day of trial."

To read the complete article see:
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13503


Well, if the state crime labdown loaded the contents of the phone card--what is it, the defense doesn't trust the state crime lab? And, the defense couldn't get that info from the state crime lab? I guess I don't understand that one at all.

As for the blood thing, I would think the state could present the evidence as they saw fit--and THEN it is up to the defense to dispute that information, to prove why they think it is not right. Isn't that the way it works?

Otherwise, it seems the defense could have the judge to tell the state they can't present ANY evidence to prove that Kevin is the one who killed Nona.

[FDInLaw]

I'm not suggesting anything, just putting my in $0.02
I don't know why, but I just have alot of doubt in this case. Again, FD I'm sorry for your loss, and if Kevin is the killer I hope he gets what he deserves. i just don't believe he did it............ Goodnight all :patriot:


Your $0.02 is always welcome. . . goodnight! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Amen! Good point, woopig.

:confused: Did you quote the wrong person?

[lemoncello]

my read on it
is the defense is saying
thru their experts
that the drying time
of the bloddy fingerprints
happened too slowly...
for the ginferprints to be
made at the time
of the murder...
ergo...
the state shouldn't be allowed
to say that...
maybe they will say
kj touched it when he found her...
but then it
conflicts with statements
made by kj and whiteside...
about him not touching
the lamp when they found her...
tricky to see where they're going
with this
IMO...

[hawgustusgloop]

I just want to say that I really appreciate lemoncello's insightful posts.

And about the SIM card......is the defense trying to imply that someone intentionally deleted all the data on it after downloading? I don't know how those things work at all, but I know some things, like my digital camera, automatically delete once the files are downloaded onto a computer. I wonder if the SIM card works the same way. I don't think the crime lab would delete the entire contents on purpose after downloading the information.

[FDInLaw]

I just want to say that I really appreciate lemoncello's insightful posts.

And about the SIM card......is the defense trying to imply that someone intentionally deleted all the data on it after downloading? I don't know how those things work at all, but I know some things, like my digital camera, automatically delete once the files are downloaded onto a computer. I wonder if the SIM card works the same way. I don't think the crime lab would delete the entire contents on purpose after downloading the information.

I've been doing some asking around about forensic computer stuff, and from what I've heard the program that the State Lab probably used would have made a complete copy of the SIM card. . . and the program would not have allowed any altering. In other words, if the procedure was done properly, there is an exact copy of the SIM card. So, the evidence is still fully intact if this is the case. The stunt the defense is pulling is based on the fact that they have a right to examine all the evidence themselves. For whatever reason, by the time they got the actual cell phone, the SIM card was erased. With the copy the State made, the evidence is still preserved, but they are doing their best to limit the use of the evidence because of a mistake the police made. THE EVIDENCE IS PROBABLY STILL IN TACT, but they did not get to see it on the actual phone. This is just my understanding based on a conversation with someone that is knowledgeable about computer forensics but not this particular case. If the State did not have an exact copy it would have been mentioned by the defense as it would be grounds to have the phone stuff thrown out completely. Obviously, there is something on those phone records that is not good for Kevin. According to the Probable Cause Statement:

"Jones stated in his interview that he first tried to call Nona around 11:00 or 12:OO on the 15th and that Nona's phone rang and went straight to voice mail. Affiant obtained the cell phone records for Nona's phone and Jones' phone and both sets of records show that the first call to Nona's phone by Jones (after the very early morning call) was at 14:10. After that time Jones made several calls to Nona's phone to include a text message at 16:28. Affiant obtained Nona's phone and submitted it to the State Crime Lab for SIM card analysis. The Crime Lab determined that the text message from Jones to Nona at 16:28 read "U ALIVE"."

The phone records must not implicate someone else or the defense would not want them omitted. Kevin is the one that looks bad. Imagine that.

MOO

[FDInLaw]

Any of you local folks read the Courier this morning ? KJ sure doesn't appear to be a law abiding citizen! More like a real sicko! JMO

[optimumprimal78]

Any of you local folks read the Courier this morning ? KJ sure doesn't appear to be a law abiding citizen! More like a real sicko! JMO

On the front page of The Courier it states that the Arkansas State Police is looking into an alleged rape at the house of RW. According to the report RW, someother guy (I can't remember his name), and KJ were in the same room as it happened. One of them gave the victim Ecstasy and then proceeded to another room. Gibbons is waiting for the full report to see any connection.

I know I am leaving out some stuff as I don't have the paper near me anymore (and I am starting to get sometimers disease:tongue: ). If it is like any other article it should be up on the Courier's website (www.couriernews.com (http://www.couriernews.com))sometime this morning.

Even if he didn't do any part of this (which the paper never really said), would this not be a violation of his being released since he apparently had knowledge of this act?

[FDInLaw]

On the front page of The Courier it states that the Arkansas State Police is looking into an alleged rape at the house of RW. According to the report RW, someother guy (I can't remember his name), and KJ were in the same room as it happened. One of them gave the victim Ecstasy and then proceeded to another room. Gibbons is waiting for the full report to see any connection.

I know I am leaving out some stuff as I don't have the paper near me anymore (and I am starting to get sometimers disease:tongue: ). If it is like any other article it should be up on the Courier's website (www.couriernews.com (http://www.couriernews.com))sometime this morning.

Even if he didn't do any part of this (which the paper never really said), would this not be a violation of his being released since he apparently had knowledge of this act?

This can't be good for Kevin. The prosecution is not going to ignore it and Kevin may find himself locked up soon. So much for the honor student image! No doubt this will also be used during the trial to establish his character and sense of decency (or aparent lack of).

Way to go, Kevin. . . I just knew you wouldn’t be able to stay out of trouble.
:punch:

MOO

[FDInLaw]

For the rape victim. . . we're so sorry. :(

:rose:

[Brainstorm]

This can't be good for Kevin. The prosecution is not going to ignore it and Kevin may find himself locked up soon. So much for the honor student image! No doubt this will also be used during the trial to establish his character and sense of decency (or aparent lack of).

Way to go, Kevin. . . I just knew you wouldn’t be able to stay out of trouble.
:punch:

MOO

On the front page of The Courier it states that the Arkansas State Police is looking into an alleged rape at the house of RW. According to the report RW, someother guy (I can't remember his name), and KJ were in the same room as it happened. One of them gave the victim Ecstasy and then proceeded to another room. Gibbons is waiting for the full report to see any connection.

I know I am leaving out some stuff as I don't have the paper near me anymore (and I am starting to get sometimers disease:tongue: ). If it is like any other article it should be up on the Courier's website (www.couriernews.com (http://www.couriernews.com))sometime this morning.

Even if he didn't do any part of this (which the paper never really said), would this not be a violation of his being released since he apparently had knowledge of this act?

A fantastic nic--OP78 !!!!! Also-WELCOME to our community here !!!!

PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED !!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

So, where are all the pro-Kevin folks today? Sure would like to hear how this one can be explained away. "Kevin's a nice guy. . . bla, bla, bla. . . I won't believe it unless he admits it etc., etc., etc." What came out today has got to make some folks start to wonder. JMO

[lemoncello]

chelsea huckaby
has posted on the net
several times
about her belief that
kj is innocent...

now she is the
supposed witness
to this alleged assault...
that kj allegedly watched
probably enjoyed...
and did nothing to stop...

wonder how unshakeable
her faith in him is now...
although she didn't do anything
to stop what happened either,
the paper says...
what does that say about her
character if true...
just my opinion...

[Brainstorm]

What does this mean? If Chelsea is the witness,has she decided to tell the truth about KJ or can we expect her to cover for him?

MOO

[optimumprimal78]

Well if she has been noted in the article as having been there does that mean if she tries to protect him she can run the risk of perjury?

[lorettalockhorn]

Even though I'm way behind in my reading, it's good to see that so many folks maintain interest in seeing Nona's killer brought to justice. Prayers to her family.
I am a little (or more) confused about the lightbulb/fingerprint significance. First, I would reasonably expect that KJ might have at some time changed any of the bulbs in Nona's apartment so that his prints there wouldn't be unusual. On the other hand, I am surprised that the bulb was intact after the lamp was used as the actual murder weapon. At any rate, we don't know if the prints are under or on top of the blood if I have been reading right. That might make a big difference.
With regard to the defense asking for the charges to be dropped, I think that is SOP, so no big surprise there.
I am a little dismayed by the loss of information on the SIM card. I'm thinking that it should have been turned over intact to the defense for independent testing; that seems to be reasonable and legal. But HTH did the State Crime Lab manage to erase the card?? Or is the question more one of the actual chain of evidence; was the card at some time not accounted for? (Sorry, if this has been addressed, the Courier's convoluted writing sometimes leaves me with more Qs than As.)
With regard to KJ himself; someone the other day wondered what he has been doing and how he's been living while awaiting trial. After reading today's top story, I can't imagine it's the way that most of us would. And for Huckaby to stand by while this indident was in progress is every bit as disgusting as it was for Kevin to do so.
I'm just somewhat stymied that a young woman like Nona who had come so far and made so much of her short life was involved with and trusted these folks.

[optimumprimal78]

You have to realize that in the grand metropolis of russellville/dover there is absolutely nothing to do on the weekend (especially for people in the 18 - 30 range). The one thing that you can count on is that there are drugs and other things coming into the area due to people going to school out of town (Fayetteville, Conway, LR) and bringing them back. And unfortunately they came into play with this recent news.

Loretta, in regards to what you said about KJ, I don't think that most of us would get ourselves into a situation where a potential problem could occur (let alone a potential felony). If I was in his position I don't think I would ever leave the house but apparently KJ (and others around him) thinks differently, so what do I know:shrug: .

Please note that I am certainly not defending anyone in this statement however I am trying to show how some but definitely not all young people spend their weekend in the area.

[al38]

In todays paper it states the Chelsea Huckabay says at this party Jeff Simmons put 1/2 of an Extasy tab in the victims water. Later, Chelsea hears the victim crying, she goes to check on her, and Jeff Simmons was on top of her having sex. Huckabay says she is told to leave the room, and she does. Huckabay goes is a second time, allededly sees Whiteside having sex with victim, while Jones watches, Chelsea asks if the men are just taking turns, she is told to leave. Third time Chelsea goes to bedroom the door is locked. She text messages Jones who says the victim and Jeff are still doing it.
Now, I know we have 2 male rapists here, and Kevin- I have a hard time believing that he wasn't in on raping this girl himself, but what about Chelsea? If you see someone being raped, do you not have an obligation to do something? Why didn't Chelsea call the police? If I see someone being gang raped and I do nothing to prevent it, am I not guily of something?
Kevin Jones should not be out running the streets till July. God only knows what he'll do between how and then.

[lemoncello]

Even though I'm way behind in my reading, it's good to see that so many folks maintain interest in seeing Nona's killer brought to justice. Prayers to her family.
I am a little (or more) confused about the lightbulb/fingerprint significance. First, I would reasonably expect that KJ might have at some time changed any of the bulbs in Nona's apartment so that his prints there wouldn't be unusual. On the other hand, I am surprised that the bulb was intact after the lamp was used as the actual murder weapon. At any rate, we don't know if the prints are under or on top of the blood if I have been reading right. That might make a big difference.
With regard to the defense asking for the charges to be dropped, I think that is SOP, so no big surprise there.
I am a little dismayed by the loss of information on the SIM card. I'm thinking that it should have been turned over intact to the defense for independent testing; that seems to be reasonable and legal. But HTH did the State Crime Lab manage to erase the card?? Or is the question more one of the actual chain of evidence; was the card at some time not accounted for? (Sorry, if this has been addressed, the Courier's convoluted writing sometimes leaves me with more Qs than As.)
With regard to KJ himself; someone the other day wondered what he has been doing and how he's been living while awaiting trial. After reading today's top story, I can't imagine it's the way that most of us would. And for Huckaby to stand by while this indident was in progress is every bit as disgusting as it was for Kevin to do so.
I'm just somewhat stymied that a young woman like Nona who had come so far and made so much of her short life was involved with and trusted these folks.

the PCS says
"The light bulb had fingerprint
impressions where were made
in the blood."
so either a:
there was blood on the bulb
and kj touched it,
leaving bloddy fingerprints....
or b: he had blood on his hands
and touched the bulb, leaving
bloody fingerprints...

for the sim card,
the courier story says
"the russellville police
deparrtment allowed the phone
to leave the evidence room
and *POLICE CUSTODY* (emphasis mien...)
for a period of two months"
they are arguing the chain of
custody was broken and the rpd
let someone else take possession of the
phone...
this is probably the evidence that the defense
said the prosecution was withholding,
since it took the rpd two months to get it
back...
the crime lab had downloaded the card before
the chain of custody was broken...
i.e., crime lab downloaded, gave it back to rpd, rpd
"loses" it, gets it back,
gives it to the defense,
the defense finds out the info has been erased...
don't quite see how that's convoluted writing on the paper's part...
imho

[woopig_sooie]

There was no rape! The girl is lying and everything in the paper is false! Mark it down, you will see soon!

[hawgustusgloop]

I have been super curious about what Kevin has been up to while out on bond and have asked that question more than once on this board, more from a human nature standpoint than anything else. I wondered what a young man in a small town charged with the murder of such an adored person would do. Would he try to stay at home to avoid the accusatory stares of his neighbors, or would he be "living it up" and enjoying what may be his last months of freedom? Apparently and unfortunately, the answer to that question is a lot more disgusting than I ever could have imagined. I didn't get to read the article yet since it wasn't online, but the situation you all have described seems utterly ridiculous and bizarre. If this incident occurred as described, how can ALL of those people have let the rape occur? It seems to me that this girl was raped with the knowledge of all those people and no one seemed to mind except for the victim. It makes me think there is something in the water there besides the occasional X.

:rose: For the now growing list of victims

[optimumprimal78]

There was no rape! The girl is lying and everything in the paper is false! Mark it down, you will see soon!


Are you sure? How do you know?

[hawgustusgloop]

There was no rape! The girl is lying and everything in the paper is false! Mark it down, you will see soon!


I truly hope you are right because that whole rape scenario is sicker than sick.

[woopig_sooie]

lets just say that I have a source that says the girl admitted to the police that she was lying 2 days ago. Expect a retraction, press conference, and/or statement from Det. Gibbins.

[Brainstorm]

There was no rape! The girl is lying and everything in the paper is false! Mark it down, you will see soon!

Woopig, can you explain how you know the girl is lying?
also that everything in the paper is false? Thats some pretty serious acussations, IMO

[woopig_sooie]

Woopig, can you explain how you know the girl is lying?
also that everything in the paper is false? Thats some pretty serious acussations, IMO
I can't give up my source(s) take it for what it's worth.

[optimumprimal78]

HMMMM are you sure? Are you a PI?

[woopig_sooie]

HMMMM are you sure? Are you a PI?
No, I'm not a PI. Just an average, everyday joe that happens to know somebody in the "know"

[woopig_sooie]

Wasn't this incident just reported in today's paper? If that's the case and the police new the alleged victim lied, why was it allowed to be published? Why didn't the police pull the report? Something's not right here, sooie. JMHO. maybe the police gave this report to the paper to try to spin it to make Kevin sound bad, even though they knew it was not true. The paper never said it was true, just that it has been aleged.... From what I hear Kevins name appears quite a bit in the article, but he was not even alleged to be one of the "rapist" I havn't read the article though...

[optimumprimal78]

Well i guess it will be interesting to see if your source comes through for you then.

[hawgustusgloop]

lets just say that I have a source that says the girl admitted to the police that she was lying 2 days ago. Expect a retraction, press conference, and/or statement from Det. Gibbins.

So, are you saying the girl who was lying is Chelsea or the victim? I still haven't seen the article so I don't know, but some posts earlier made it seem like Chelsea was the one giving the statements.

[woopig_sooie]

Are you suggesting that the police conspired with the alleged victim and alleged witness (KJ's friend, right?)? Gimme a break. Maybe she recanted her police report because she was afraid she'd get her head bashed in. JMHO.

No, I don't think the the police conspired with anyone. But I don't think they were too concerned with stopping the presses over a story that gives KJ a bad name.


i sure hope my souce is right too , becuase I will look like an complete tool if they're wrong. Of course most of you probably consider me a tool already for my skepticism in this case. I do believe them though for what it's worth...

[woopig_sooie]

So, are you saying the girl who was lying is Chelsea or the victim? I still haven't seen the article so I don't know, but some posts earlier made it seem like Chelsea was the one giving the statements.

from what I'm told, the "victim" is lying. If i understand right, Chelsea never said those things either, but I'm not sure about that. But why would she if there wasn't a rape to begin with.

Edit* so it was the victim's cousin that told the police what Chelsea said. Was the cousin even there at the party? I didn't see that anywhere. Thanks for the article

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13515

Courier story

[hawgustusgloop]

i sure hope my souce is right too , becuase I will look like an complete tool if they're wrong. Of course most of you probably consider me a tool already for my skepticism in this case. I do believe them though for what it's worth...

I don't think you are a complete tool.

:seeya:

[woopig_sooie]

I don't think you are a complete tool.

:seeya:

well thats good to know :beer:

[lemoncello]

lets just say that I have a source that says the girl admitted to the police that she was lying 2 days ago. Expect a retraction, press conference, and/or statement from Det. Gibbins.

#1: Gibbons is the prosecutor...
#2: if the girl recanted her story
2 days ago, and there was no
other evidence (physical, other people's
statements who were at the party)
to back up the accusation...
then why was the ASP investigation
still open as yesterday afternoon?...
why not finish the report and present
to the prosecutor immediately... esp. if
u knew there was going to be press covereage
that would make u look bad in the long run...
it wouldnt make sense for the ASP to have
an interest in making kj look bad, since the murder
is not their case... unless someone is willing to risk
their reputations to "frame" some kid from dover....
doesn't wash imo...

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow, I find it hard to believe that the Courier doesn't finish printing until sometime around midnight (or at least that's when they finished when I worked there), and between that time and today, the victim recanted? Wonder why not before the report was published?
That RPD or the prosecution would plant a story or allow one to be planted is ridiculous IMO, why would they risk their shot at convicting KJ?
My earlier comment about the Courier's convoluted writing style was in general, not just specific to this case, I prefer reading ArDemGaz accounts of almost anything.
Any evidence can leave police custody at any time as long as it remains accounted for in chain of custody, it's not like an officer is assigned to watch evidence 24/7/365. If the Courier is saying that the phone or card was literally missing, that's what they should say.

[woopig_sooie]

#1: Gibbons is the prosecutor...
#2: if the girl recanted her story
2 days ago, and there was no
other evidence (physical, other people's
statements who were at the party)
to back up the accusation...
then why was the ASP investigation
still open as yesterday afternoon?...
why not finish the report and present
to the prosecutor immediately... esp. if
u knew there was going to be press covereage
that would make u look bad in the long run...
it wouldnt make sense for the ASP to have
an interest in making kj look bad, since the murder
is not their case... unless someone is willing to risk
their reputations to "frame" some kid from dover....
doesn't wash imo... #1 sorry, I got confused. I stand corrected
#2 Just relating what I have been told. take it for what its worth........

[woopig_sooie]

I'm about to hit the road guys. have a good night, and I'll be back on here tomorrow god willing.

:)

[FDInLaw]

Even though I'm way behind in my reading, it's good to see that so many folks maintain interest in seeing Nona's killer brought to justice. Prayers to her family.
I am a little (or more) confused about the lightbulb/fingerprint significance. First, I would reasonably expect that KJ might have at some time changed any of the bulbs in Nona's apartment so that his prints there wouldn't be unusual. On the other hand, I am surprised that the bulb was intact after the lamp was used as the actual murder weapon. At any rate, we don't know if the prints are under or on top of the blood if I have been reading right. That might make a big difference.
With regard to the defense asking for the charges to be dropped, I think that is SOP, so no big surprise there.
I am a little dismayed by the loss of information on the SIM card. I'm thinking that it should have been turned over intact to the defense for independent testing; that seems to be reasonable and legal. But HTH did the State Crime Lab manage to erase the card?? Or is the question more one of the actual chain of evidence; was the card at some time not accounted for? (Sorry, if this has been addressed, the Courier's convoluted writing sometimes leaves me with more Qs than As.)
With regard to KJ himself; someone the other day wondered what he has been doing and how he's been living while awaiting trial. After reading today's top story, I can't imagine it's the way that most of us would. And for Huckaby to stand by while this indident was in progress is every bit as disgusting as it was for Kevin to do so.
I'm just somewhat stymied that a young woman like Nona who had come so far and made so much of her short life was involved with and trusted these folks.

The fingerprint on the lightbulb was in blood. . . and thus not the result of a previous lightbulb change. To my knowledge all the information from the SIM is still in tact. . . if the State Lab did their job, there is an exact copy. The issue isn't lost or altered information, but that the defense did not have a chance to see the original. MOO

Why Nona hung out with these losers is a real mystery.

[FDInLaw]

In todays paper it states the Chelsea Huckabay says at this party Jeff Simmons put 1/2 of an Extasy tab in the victims water. Later, Chelsea hears the victim crying, she goes to check on her, and Jeff Simmons was on top of her having sex. Huckabay says she is told to leave the room, and she does. Huckabay goes is a second time, allededly sees Whiteside having sex with victim, while Jones watches, Chelsea asks if the men are just taking turns, she is told to leave. Third time Chelsea goes to bedroom the door is locked. She text messages Jones who says the victim and Jeff are still doing it.
Now, I know we have 2 male rapists here, and Kevin- I have a hard time believing that he wasn't in on raping this girl himself, but what about Chelsea? If you see someone being raped, do you not have an obligation to do something? Why didn't Chelsea call the police? If I see someone being gang raped and I do nothing to prevent it, am I not guily of something?
Kevin Jones should not be out running the streets till July. God only knows what he'll do between how and then.

Welcome to the board, al38!

I'm with you. . . why didn't Chelsea do something?

[FDInLaw]

HMMMM are you sure? Are you a PI?

:lol: I'm sorry, I can't help it. . . we've had a few of those on this board.

[FDInLaw]

from what I'm told, the "victim" is lying. If i understand right, Chelsea never said those things either, but I'm not sure about that. But why would she if there wasn't a rape to begin with.

Edit* so it was the victim's cousin that told the police what Chelsea said. Was the cousin even there at the party? I didn't see that anywhere. Thanks for the article

Guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

[optimumprimal78]

from what I'm told, the "victim" is lying. If i understand right, Chelsea never said those things either, but I'm not sure about that. But why would she if there wasn't a rape to begin with.

Edit* so it was the victim's cousin that told the police what Chelsea said. Was the cousin even there at the party? I didn't see that anywhere. Thanks for the article


It tells you everything in the article, "the victim’s cousin recounted a Dec. 31 conversation she had with Chelsea Huckabay, who was at the party, about what allegedly happened. Huckabay allegedly told the cousin Jeffery Simmons allegedly put half a tab of the drug Ecstasy in a glass of water and gave it to the victim, which she drank, according to the statement."

If you still don't understand maybe you should ask your "source" if the cousin was there.

[al38]

The fingerprint on the lightbulb was in blood. . . and thus not the result of a previous lightbulb change. To my knowledge all the information from the SIM is still in tact. . . if the State Lab did their job, there is an exact copy. The issue isn't lost or altered information, but that the defense did not have a chance to see the original. MOO

Why Nona hung out with these losers is a real mystery.

That is what was wondering. Why did she hang out with the likes of that? Do you think these people (not meaning Nona, but these classmates) changed after high school? As far as Sooie, and his knowing people, well, I know a few people too and he if full of it. If the RAPE VICTIM recants, it will only be because she has been threatened and harassed.

[FDInLaw]

That is what was wondering. Why did she hang out with the likes of that? Do you think these people (not meaning Nona, but these classmates) changed after high school? As far as Sooie, and his knowing people, well, I know a few people too and he if full of it. If the RAPE VICTIM recants, it will only be because she has been threatened and harassed.

WooPig's credibility is at stake here. . . if what they have stated is merely a rumor, no one is going to pay much if any attention to what they say in the future.

[Brainstorm]

ITA FDInLaw -woopig jumped right in with some strong acussations.Credibility
shot-IMO ........what if this young girl had been his/her daughter?
Also WELCOME al38 !! Looking forward to hearing your opinions.

[FDInLaw]

Oh, I'm here, FD. Some of us do work during the day. Not all of us have the luxury of spending 24/7 on this site as you do. We do have lives, families, jobs, etc. We can't live, breathe, and eat this as do you.


Actually, despite what you think, I was out most of the day. . . I do have a life, I multitask well.
:D

[Brainstorm]

I thank God that we have someone as dedicated and concerned as FDInLaw has shown him/her self to be during this terrible crime. H/S has been extremely kind and considerate to others. kg- IMO- you just come on here to be antagonistic toward anyone that doesn't share YOUR opinion. Do you have any opinions or information to share or just insults?
MVHO

[Brainstorm]

You have NO IDEA how much we know kg,NO IDEA,but in this case the only coat tails I might be guilty of "wanting to hang on" is the PROSECUTIONS. I do admire FD for h/h loyalty to this case. And as for us being open and objective, I have only seen/read your exclaimations of KJ is innocent. Yours and soopigs.
JMOO

[optimumprimal78]

As for information, I don't have any sources. As for the story in the Courier, it sounds dramitically false. I think it's a bit over the top. It lacks credibility and belivableness to me.

So what are you basing this on exactly if you don't have any sources?

[Brainstorm]

I'm truly sorry----woopigs
JMO

[FDInLaw]

Okay folks, break it up! This sort of conversation ends with someone getting banned, I personally would like to see you all stick around. Maybe a good night's sleep would do us all some good. :seeya:

[al38]

FDInLaw, Merrick, and Brainstorm, thanks for the welcome.
I didn't know about this site till earlier this week, and now I am addicted!

[Brainstorm]

Okay folks, break it up! This sort of conversation ends with someone getting banned, I personally would like to see you all stick around. Maybe a good night's sleep would do us all some good. :seeya:

Okay,you're right. I want to be around to see the FACTS unfold.goonite,all
MHOO

[FDInLaw]

>SNIP<
As for information, I don't have any sources. As for the story in the Courier, it sounds dramitically false. I think it's a bit over the top. It lacks credibility and belivableness to me.


Now I'm no fan of the press in general, some idiots just yesterday reported that DNA was found on the condom (not wrapper). . . and the Courier makes it's share of mistakes IMO. Do note though, that the information came from a police report. Police officers are not paid to be theatrical. What actual reasons do you have to believe it lacks credibility? For you personally, what would have to happen for you to even begin to suspect that Kevin might be guilty.

You're in the midst of some other conversations right now, please feel free to answer my questions later when things have died down. I'm not trying to add to your frustration. I would really like your honest feed back.

[optimumprimal78]

Hey Hey no hostilities here it was just a simple question. As far as my sources, I know most of the families involved in both cases. I went to school in area (not too long ago I might add). So if you want to know my sources that ought to be good enough for you. If not oh well.

[FDInLaw]

My apologies, FDInLaw. I don't usually let these things get to me. But, sometimes a little give and take is a good thing. Enough for tonight. I hope you're not offended. I certainly didn't want to upset you. Forgive me?:o

No offense at all. . . just want to see you all stick around.


:seeya:

[annamarie]

I walked away from this board three weeks ago and come back to see that you all are jumping someone else who doesn't agree with you. Sorry kg** hang in there, you seem to have more of what it takes than I do.

[lorettalockhorn]

The fingerprint on the lightbulb was in blood. . . and thus not the result of a previous lightbulb change. To my knowledge all the information from the SIM is still in tact. . . if the State Lab did their job, there is an exact copy. The issue isn't lost or altered information, but that the defense did not have a chance to see the original. MOO

Why Nona hung out with these losers is a real mystery.

Thanks so much, I do remember reading about the palm print, but not a fingerprint. As for the SIM card; I can see that it is reasonable (and legal) for the defense to want the original rather than a clone.

This case seems to have plenty of twists and turns. My Leroy watched the news tonight for any information on a recanting of the alleged rape victim's charges but didn't see anything. And I'll be totally and completely flabbergasted if the Courier retracts today's story.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for the warning, Freshwater!

We'll take our lumps and behave better.
:punch:

[FDInLaw]

I walked away from this board three weeks ago and come back to see that you all are jumping someone else who doesn't agree with you. Sorry kg** hang in there, you seem to have more of what it takes than I do.

Welcome back, Annamarie! Glad you didn't disappear for good. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Thanks so much, I do remember reading about the palm print, but not a fingerprint. As for the SIM card; I can see that it is reasonable (and legal) for the defense to want the original rather than a clone.

This case seems to have plenty of twists and turns. My Leroy watched the news tonight for any information on a recanting of the alleged rape victim's charges but didn't see anything. And I'll be totally and completely flabbergasted if the Courier retracts today's story.

Please do keep in mind that I do not know for sure if there is an exact copy of the SIM card. . . I am assuming there is from what I have heard about computer forensics.

We'll have to wait and see what comes out about the story. Should be an interesting day.

[woopig_sooie]

good morning.
First, I have never posted on this site using another account, and I take offense that anyone suggest that I did!

Second, you guys do seem to jump on the minority on this board which in this case is those that believe in Kevin's innocence. I don't think it is intentional, and you probably don't even notice it. However, lately several of your words have intentionally attacked me and my post and that is uncalled for. I understand why you believe what you do, and if I didn't know what I know, I probably would to...

Third, you can believe what you want, I will no longer post here no matter the outcome of the "rumors" I posted yesterday. See I worked for the Jones family for over 3 years and after graduating Tech, I have remained pretty close to them. I was a kid 4 hours from home, and they took me in as one of their own. Kevin and his family even drove 4 hrs one way to be at my dads visitation a few years back. It is true that you never really "know" someone, but I pride myself in my judge of character. Kevin would've never done something like this to Nona and it will take better evidence than the side of a palm print on a light bulb to change my mind. Kevin and his close friends are good people. They are typical college kids that party and drink, but that is their worst fault. From what I was told, this girl that was allegedly raped was lying and if my source is right, then you guys will see that you've run off a pretty trustworthy person. I am privy to no information since the gag order was put in place, but what I was told prior to the gag order would probably change several of your minds about KJ's guilt. I did not see it as my place to mention these things since they probably will not be publically expressed until the trial.
So I came on here trying to offer a different opinion than what you guys had already engrained into this board, but I guess my time here is done. I will not stand to be called a liar! To those of you that were friendly, thank you very much. FD, again i am truely sorry for your loss. Nona was a very, very sweet girl and I am proud to say that I was graced by her smile. Good day to all.

[lemoncello]

don't ask me how i know this...
but this is what's in my heart
and gut this a.m....
the vic in the rape case
won't recant, but no charges will
be filed...
don't know if its because of lack of evidence
(huckabay changes her story, lack of
physcial evidence, those kinds of things)...
or if because gibbons is afraid of losing the war
(murder case) by winning the battle (rape case)...
which, either way, won't matter, because
kj will be found not guilty (if it even makes it to trial)
not necessarily because he's innocent (which is the
preseumption)...
but because the investigation was bungled or the defense
has enough tricks up their sleeve to confuse
everything...
the case will be dropped...
and the criminal justice system will
turn its back on at least one victim if not two...
i can't tell you why, but every day that drags
on... i'm more and more convinced that the
criminal justice system in pope co. is broken
on a general, fundamental level...
it makes me sad....
but this is just my opinion, and i ferverently
hope i am proved wrong on all counts...

[lemoncello]

i was in the lobby of
the courier yesterday
afternoon
when three very unhappy
people came in asking for
the publisher and the editor...
i think they gave the name whiteside...

[FDInLaw]

good morning.
First, I have never posted on this site using another account, and I take offense that anyone suggest that I did!

Second, you guys do seem to jump on the minority on this board which in this case is those that believe in Kevin's innocence. I don't think it is intentional, and you probably don't even notice it. However, lately several of your words have intentionally attacked me and my post and that is uncalled for. I understand why you believe what you do, and if I didn't know what I know, I probably would to...

Third, you can believe what you want, I will no longer post here no matter the outcome of the "rumors" I posted yesterday. See I worked for the Jones family for over 3 years and after graduating Tech, I have remained pretty close to them. I was a kid 4 hours from home, and they took me in as one of their own. Kevin and his family even drove 4 hrs one way to be at my dads visitation a few years back. It is true that you never really "know" someone, but I pride myself in my judge of character. Kevin would've never done something like this to Nona and it will take better evidence than the side of a palm print on a light bulb to change my mind. Kevin and his close friends are good people. They are typical college kids that party and drink, but that is their worst fault. From what I was told, this girl that was allegedly raped was lying and if my source is right, then you guys will see that you've run off a pretty trustworthy person. I am privy to no information since the gag order was put in place, but what I was told prior to the gag order would probably change several of your minds about KJ's guilt. I did not see it as my place to mention these things since they probably will not be publically expressed until the trial.
So I came on here trying to offer a different opinion than what you guys had already engrained into this board, but I guess my time here is done. I will not stand to be called a liar! To those of you that were friendly, thank you very much. FD, again i am truely sorry for your loss. Nona was a very, very sweet girl and I am proud to say that I was graced by her smile. Good day to all.
WooPig,

I really don't believe anyone is trying to run you off intentionally. I'm truly sorry if there is anything I have done to make you feel that way. This is a very heated topic and things do get out of hand. We all need to be careful not to take things too personally. There are nights that I don't sleep well do to exchanges here. . . I struggle with feeling attacked just because someone disagrees with me. Nona's murder has ripped the community apart and there are good folks on both sides. You haven't posted long enough for me to come to any conclusions about your actual character, and I would hate to see you just disappear. You have always been respectful when you've addressed me and I appreciate that sincerely. Peace ~ FD

[optimumprimal78]

the vic in the rape case
won't recant, but no charges will
be filed...
don't know if its because of lack of evidence
(huckabay changes her story, lack of
physcial evidence, those kinds of things)...
or if because gibbons is afraid of losing the war
(murder case) by winning the battle (rape case)...
which, either way, won't matter, because
kj will be found not guilty (if it even makes it to trial)
not necessarily because he's innocent (which is the
preseumption)...

i got to thinking about this last night. If one of those things does happen (huckabay changes her story, lack of
physcial evidence, those kinds of things), aside from a lot of people looking to recant stories there will also be a great impact on this trial one way or the other. I say this because it will show that KJ has not been living a necessarily "clean" lifestyle since the murder happened. Whether or not he actually took part in the other act (if it happened) is a moot point because it shows that he is willing to put himself in a type of situation where something like this can happen and with alcohol and drugs involved it more often than not does (woopig, I'm not jumping on you but if you are from the area like I am then you know this part is right). If it did happen it will show that he too (along with the other people at the party) did not say anything to police (which in turn could be shown/twisted, depending on your POV, that he had little value of human life). If it did not happen it will still raise questions about the character of KJ and of the people he chooses to associate himself with. I think that this is why when this new development was brought out yesterday it developed a lot of heated questions/arguments. Believe me I too have had many discussions with people close to the situation and it has caused stress to many people. The main reason I joined this board is because I just wanted to be more informed about what happened in the "downtime". All I want is for the person who did this (be it KJ, O.J., or Jabba The Hutt) to be found so that Nona and her family can finally be at some sort of peace. Sorry for the rambling.

[FDInLaw]

i got to thinking about this last night. If one of those things does happen (huckabay changes her story, lack of
physcial evidence, those kinds of things), aside from a lot of people looking to recant stories there will also be a great impact on this trial one way or the other. I say this because it will show that KJ has not been living a necessarily "clean" lifestyle since the murder happened. Whether or not he actually took part in the other act (if it happened) is a moot point because it shows that he is willing to put himself in a type of situation where something like this can happen and with alcohol and drugs involved it more often than not does (woopig, I'm not jumping on you but if you are from the area like I am then you know this part is right). If it did happen it will show that he too (along with the other people at the party) did not say anything to police (which in turn could be shown/twisted, depending on your POV, that he had little value of human life). If it did not happen it will still raise questions about the character of KJ and of the people he chooses to associate himself with. I think that this is why when this new development was brought out yesterday it developed a lot of heated questions/arguments. Believe me I too have had many discussions with people close to the situation and it has caused stress to many people. The main reason I joined this board is because I just wanted to be more informed about what happened in the "downtime". All I want is for the person who did this (be it KJ, O.J., or Jabba The Hutt) to be found so that Nona and her family can finally be at some sort of peace. Sorry for the rambling.

There is one piece of physical evidence that needs to be verified (and I sure hope the ASP gets a warrant for it) . . . the text message exchange between Chelsea and Kevin. Regardless of whether or not the girl changed her story, this could be key for the public. If the text message never occurred then that would help clear things up. . . if it did, folks will wonder if pressure was put on the girl. JMO

[Brainstorm]

Sorry,Freshwater, I am guilty.I am surprised at my own self for becoming so emotionally involved in this case.Before joining CL I had never even heard of Nona.I was/am however close to a young woman who was in a similar relationship IMO that Nona was in with Kevin.On the surface this was the "cutest" couple.High school sweethearts,families all friends,the whole nine yards. The boy became mentally and verbally abusive ,and very "controling" towards the girl.I'm happy to say that she was finally able to break away and move on with her life,although it took much longer IMO for the boy to do the same.She received cards and letters for 2 or 3 more years. However,finally things turned out okay for both of them.
My point being,from what I've read here,Nona was in much the same situation. I can clearly see how Kevin could have murdered Nona. Plain and simple.My opinions came mostly from the fact that LE went to great lengths to investigate all possibilities before making an arrest.I could be completey wrong.The trial,when it finally happens will tell all.I am "hanging on the coat-tails" of the prosecution.Young women like Nona and many others need protection.My heart goes out to her dear mother.
I'm sorry if I attacked anyone here. My intentions was not to hurt anyone but simply my own opinions concerning this dear girl was was not so fortunate to be able to live her life and achieve her dreams. A killer prevented that and untill I see evidence otherwise I firmly believe that Kevin is the killer.
JMVHO

[al38]

I have a few questions-I hope I don't sound like an idiot but here goes-
When Kevin turned himself in, was there a search warrant for his home?
Specifically, did they do any tests on clothing? I know he laid on Nona and got her blood on him when he went to the house with his mom that evening, but earlier in the day-does anyone know what was he wearing? I doubt he was wearing the same thing, because I think they were going to a banquet or something.
What about his vehicle? Was is just looked at, or was a luminol test done?
Also, if Nona had these superficial cuts on her face, did Kevin have any defensive wounds on him? What were the superficial on her from?
Was any dna found underneath her fingernails?

[FDInLaw]

I have a few questions-I hope I don't sound like an idiot but here goes-
When Kevin turned himself in, was there a search warrant for his home?
Specifically, did they do any tests on clothing? I know he laid on Nona and got her blood on him when he went to the house with his mom that evening, but earlier in the day-does anyone know what was he wearing? I doubt he was wearing the same thing, because I think they were going to a banquet or something.
What about his vehicle? Was is just looked at, or was a luminol test done?
Also, if Nona had these superficial cuts on her face, did Kevin have any defensive wounds on him? What were the superficial on her from?
Was any dna found underneath her fingernails?

Great questions! None of this information has been made known to the public to my knowledge. Maybe the answers will come forth when the trial finally rolls around. MOO

[FDInLaw]

don't ask me how i know this...
but this is what's in my heart
and gut this a.m....
the vic in the rape case
won't recant, but no charges will
be filed...
don't know if its because of lack of evidence
(huckabay changes her story, lack of
physcial evidence, those kinds of things)...
or if because gibbons is afraid of losing the war
(murder case) by winning the battle (rape case)...
which, either way, won't matter, because
kj will be found not guilty (if it even makes it to trial)
not necessarily because he's innocent (which is the
preseumption)...
but because the investigation was bungled or the defense
has enough tricks up their sleeve to confuse
everything...
the case will be dropped...
and the criminal justice system will
turn its back on at least one victim if not two...
i can't tell you why, but every day that drags
on... i'm more and more convinced that the
criminal justice system in pope co. is broken
on a general, fundamental level...
it makes me sad....
but this is just my opinion, and i ferverently
hope i am proved wrong on all counts...

I have sick feeling that the rape did in fact occur but that no charges will be filed. I sure hope we are both wrong. Chelsea's testimony seems to be key here, and she's always been known to stand by Kevin. After thinking about it, I really don't see her testifying against her friends. . . without her testimony there is no hope of justice in this case I’m afraid. JMO

[optimumprimal78]

I think she has got herself in quite a situation. On one hand she was friends (supposedly best friends) with Nona and on the other she is also close friends with KJ, RW, etc. If she was at the party she probably knew the other girl as well. If she does testify she will probably feel like she is turning her back on her friends/hangout partners and if she doesn't she will be seen as a key testifier for the whole thing that "got away". If she is Nona's friend it would obviously be beneficial if she give information about what she knew but if she's KJ's friend you might see her go with the Fifth Amendment or just not testifying at all.

[hawgustusgloop]

I have sick feeling that the rape did in fact occur but that no charges will be filed. I sure hope we are both wrong. Chelsea's testimony seems to be key here, and she's always been known to stand by Kevin. After thinking about it, I really don't see her testifying against her friends. . . without her testimony there is no hope of justice in this case I’m afraid. JMO

Before I read the Courier article, I thought Chelsea's side of the story came from statements she (Chelsea) made to the police. Under that scenario, I thought that it most likely occurred. After finding out the story came from the victim and what the victim's cousin allegedly heard from Chelsea, I wasn't so sure anymore. Part of that is probably due to the fact that I don't want to believe that this could happen with so many people participating or standing idly by as it happened. Also, something about woopig's confidence in the inside info saying the victim would recant gave me pause. So, right now I am really on the fence as to whether or not I think this occurred as reported to the police.

I would LOVE to know Chelsea's version of the events. If this rape did occur, I wonder if she'd testify against her friends or not. With Kevin, if he is guilty of murder, maybe Chelsea truly doesn't believe he did it. But, if he and the others who allegedly participated in this rape are guilty, and it happened as the victim's cousin described, she would be put in a situation where she would know they were guilty. If she wanted to protect them, she would then have to lie, which is a completely different scenario entirely since she would face legal ramifications herself for lying under oath.

If this rape did occur and no charges are filed, I think that will be a disgrace. In that situation, if they won't lock up the rapists and murderers, everyone should just lock up their daughters.

[optimumprimal78]

If this rape did occur and no charges are filed, I think that will be a disgrace. In that situation, if they won't lock up the rapists and murderers, everyone should just lock up their daughters.

I agree 100%. I also think that if no charges are filed it will still change the trial. Also I wonder if this also had anything to do with the backing of the trial (besides the new filing)?

[Brainstorm]

If Chelsea has any morals what-so-ever,she should stand up and tell the TRUTH,if anything happened that night.What a wonderful commemorative act for her dear friend Nona.Even if she believes KJ did not murder her friend,she should tell what she knows of what happened that night.Trying to cover for any of those involved (if anything did happen) is going to come back and bite her in the a**. IMO
Usually where there's smoke there's fire

[FDInLaw]

I agree, where there's smoke, there's fire. I don't know what is going to happen in this rape case, but Chelsea's actions will definitely have a bearing on the murder trial. IMO, if the public believes she was witness to a gang rape and did nothing about it, they will not believe on word she says in support of KJ. Mr. Defense Attorney, listen up, you need to rein in your witnesses. JMHO.

The ironic thing is, "Mr. Defense Attorney" may very well read your words. . . but what can he really do? If this rape scenario does give us a glimpse of Kevin's true character (or severe lack of), his true colors will come out again. It's my sincere prayer that the list of victims does not have to increase before he is off the streets.

[hawgustusgloop]

I do not personally agree with you on that point at this time. However, I truly enjoy reading your posts and hearing your views on the case. There was a time when this thread would get maybe 1 or 2 posts a week. Lately, I have really enjoyed reading all the debate and theories of what may have happened. It would be boring here if everyone agreed on every point. I regret any part I may have had in making any of you feel disrespected or ganged up on and will try to refrain from doing anything like that in the future. I hope you all continue to post here. This place wouldn't be the same without you!

[FDInLaw]

KG**,

I realize last night was frustrating and things got out of hand. However, since then Merrick has asked you for the opportunity to start over. Brainstorm has admitted she got too upset and has apologized as well. In your "apology" above it appears you are just trying to get your points across all over again. I'm going to be blunt here. . . kg, if you want people to treat you with kindness you need to reciprocate. By blowing off people's apologizes and taking up your soap box all over again you appear ungracious. No one hates you. No one wants to chase you off. An attempt at kindness on your part would go a long way and folks would respond to that. Please give everyone a chance to treat you better by not starting things up all over again. This is just my lame advice. . . but take a deep breath and post something nice. . . you will not regret it. Folks need to see that if they apologize to you, you won’t just go at them all over again.

Peace ~ FD

[FDInLaw]

FD,

Good catch! That's an excellent point. The cell phone company will have those records. There's no getting around that! JMHO.

Another thing. . . I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here or not, but there is one detail in the Courier article that bothers me. . . Ecstasy is not a knockout drug.


"What are its short-term effects (of Ecstasy)?
Users report that Ecstasy produces intensely pleasurable effects – including an enhanced sense of self-confidence and energy. Effects include feelings of peacefulness, acceptance and empathy. Users say they experience feelings of closeness with others and a desire to touch others. Other effects can include involuntary teeth clenching, a loss of inhibitions, transfixion on sights and sounds, nausea, blurred vision, chills and/or sweating. Increases in heart rate and blood pressure, as well as seizures, are also possible. The stimulant effects of the drug enable users to dance for extended periods, which when combined with the hot crowded conditions usually found at raves, can lead to severe dehydration and hyperthermia or dramatic increases in body temperature. This can lead to muscle breakdown and kidney, liver and cardiovascular failure. Cardiovascular failure has been reported in some of the Ecstasy-related fatalities.

After-effects can include sleep problems, anxiety and depression."

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Ecstasy

[lorettalockhorn]

I didn't see it myself, but my hubby, Leroy told me that Channel 11/KTHV had a blurb about the alleged rape account on the six o'clock news segment; they basically recapped the Courier story saying that arrests are pending. (Sorry, I haven't found anything on their website yet.)

So it would seem that the victim did not recant.

[lorettalockhorn]

Another thing. . . I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here or not, but there is one detail in the Courier article that bothers me. . . Ecstasy is not a knockout drug.


"What are its short-term effects (of Ecstasy)?
Users report that Ecstasy produces intensely pleasurable effects – including an enhanced sense of self-confidence and energy. Effects include feelings of peacefulness, acceptance and empathy. Users say they experience feelings of closeness with others and a desire to touch others. Other effects can include involuntary teeth clenching, a loss of inhibitions, transfixion on sights and sounds, nausea, blurred vision, chills and/or sweating. Increases in heart rate and blood pressure, as well as seizures, are also possible. The stimulant effects of the drug enable users to dance for extended periods, which when combined with the hot crowded conditions usually found at raves, can lead to severe dehydration and hyperthermia or dramatic increases in body temperature. This can lead to muscle breakdown and kidney, liver and cardiovascular failure. Cardiovascular failure has been reported in some of the Ecstasy-related fatalities.

After-effects can include sleep problems, anxiety and depression."

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Ecstasy

Exactly, rohypnol and ketamine (sp) are the "date rape drugs", I would consider them to be knockout drugs whereas Ecstacy would function more as an aphrodisiac (for lack of a better term). Whatever, it seems pathological to me to think that these boys don't stand up and fly right even while under incredible scrutiny if that is the case. (Not to mention the witness that didn't bother calling 911)

[lemoncello]

Another thing. . . I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here or not, but there is one detail in the Courier article that bothers me. . . Ecstasy is not a knockout drug.


"What are its short-term effects (of Ecstasy)?
Users report that Ecstasy produces intensely pleasurable effects – including an enhanced sense of self-confidence and energy. Effects include feelings of peacefulness, acceptance and empathy. Users say they experience feelings of closeness with others and a desire to touch others. Other effects can include involuntary teeth clenching, a loss of inhibitions, transfixion on sights and sounds, nausea, blurred vision, chills and/or sweating. Increases in heart rate and blood pressure, as well as seizures, are also possible. The stimulant effects of the drug enable users to dance for extended periods, which when combined with the hot crowded conditions usually found at raves, can lead to severe dehydration and hyperthermia or dramatic increases in body temperature. This can lead to muscle breakdown and kidney, liver and cardiovascular failure. Cardiovascular failure has been reported in some of the Ecstasy-related fatalities.

After-effects can include sleep problems, anxiety and depression."

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Ecstasy

yes, but what are the possible
effects when mixed with alcohol...
also, according to huckaby's alleged account
to the cousin, the girl was crying when
she first went to check on her...
she may not have been unconscious,
but too impaired to give consent...
she may not have remembered anything
not sure how the law deals with that...
maybe it was a "blackout" type episode...
where you are conscious...
but too drunk/imparied to remember what happened the next day...
i'm ashamed to admit having episodes like that
in my misspent youth...
fortunately nothing like what was described ever happened to me...

[Brainstorm]

Interesting point,FD-I sure hope LE persist in their investigation-for all the vunerable,naive young girls in this world.This troubles me greatly.About the drugs.
JMHO

[FDInLaw]

That wasn't the way I was meaning to appear--on a soapbox and ungracious. As I've heard, it's hard to hear tones when you e-mail, or in this case typing back and forth. All aologies taken to heart, and are returned.:rose:

That's the kg everyone needs to see! :)

Thank you for graciously taking my e-mail to heart. ~ FD

[FDInLaw]

yes, but what are the possible
effects when mixed with alcohol...
also, according to huckaby's alleged account
to the cousin, the girl was crying when
she first went to check on her...
she may not have been unconscious,
but too impaired to give consent...
she may not have remembered anything
not sure how the law deals with that...
maybe it was a "blackout" type episode...
where you are conscious...
but too drunk/imparied to remember what happened the next day...
i'm ashamed to admit having episodes like that
in my misspent youth...
fortunately nothing like what was described ever happened to me...

Guess my point is that Ecstasy would not be the drug of choice for a date rape scenario. It is usually associated with raves (or it was in my day). . . and it gives most participants a real boost of energy. I do agree with your point though. . . when drugs are mixed with alcohol they can have different effects and each individual's experience differs as well.

[janieginocchio]

It looks like you all had quite a night. :)

Just wanted to let everyone know there's story about Judge Patterson in tomorrow's paper, and part two of the crime chat series will be in Sunday's. A couple of you even make an appearance.

And before you ask -- nothing new on either the Dirksmeyer case or the alleged rape at the moment.

[Brainstorm]

Janie,will this be on the website?What time do they make updates?I'm a thousand or so miles away.TIA

[FDInLaw]

It looks like you all had quite a night. :)

Just wanted to let everyone know there's story about Judge Patterson in tomorrow's paper, and part two of the crime chat series will be in Sunday's. A couple of you even make an appearance.

>SNIP<

"YIPPEE!" ~ I can barely contain my excitement. . . some of us will be in the illustrious Courier! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the heads up, Janie.

[FDInLaw]

FD,

Good morning! I hope you are having a wonderful Saturday. It's 70 degrees and sunny in my neck of the woods. A lot unusual for the middle of January.

Like Brainstorm, I'm over a thousand miles away, would you be good enough to post the links when they're available?

Thanks,
Merrick

Lucky you! It's dreary here and we're in the middle of an ice storm.

It's very rare that a pertinent link does not make it here. . . so no worries there. To watch for the news yourself consider adding the Courier's web page to your favorites. . .

http://www.couriernews.com/

It’s been one crazy week. Sure hope everyone has a safe and restful weekend!
:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

"Patterson to step down Jan. 31

Retirement should have no negative impact on Dirksmeyer case,
Patterson says"


http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13527

[Brainstorm]

Thanks for the link, it's now on my favorites! You have a wonderful weekend, too. Careful out there in the ice.

Ditto-it's short sleeve weather here!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Ditto-it's short sleeve weather here!!!!

Sure. . . just rub it in! :cuss:








(:biggrin: He, he, he. . .)

[Brainstorm]

Just couldn't help myself.LOL Stay warm

[lemoncello]

From today's courier:
no charges filed in alleged rape
prosecutor cites lack of evidence

don't have the paper right now...
link won't be up until tomorrow afternoon...
here's what I remember...

1. girl didn't recant
2. simmons admitted to sex but
said it was consensual
3. cousin's statement remained the same
4. chelsea huckabay denied telling
cousin the alleged version of events...
she admitted to telling cousin she would give info
to cops
5. girl sent text "joking" messages
to simmons the day after
6. girl decided to go to cops
after cousin told her what
chelsea said
7. girl said more than once
to police she didn't give consent
to sex to any1 at party...
8. prosecutor didnt think
rape exam and any evidence
collected from clothes was
significant b/c simmons
admitted to sex...
if anything was found it
wasn't mentioned in ASP
report...

what seems odd...
is why would huckabay
volunterr to talk to cops...
out of the blue...
if nothing happened...

also...
what is it with dover...
r. gene simmons lived in dover...
jones is from dover...
every1 involved in this happy
little party is from dover...
the human remains found
were outside of dover...
the man recently convicted
for rape and attempted murder
was from dover...
i know there's more
but can't think offhand...
how can a town so small...
have so much trouble...

[VolGirl]

Hey everyone. I know you guys are kinda wary of new posters so I have decided to introduce myself. I am not super new to the board. I have just been lurking and re-reading everything so I am completely in the know. I am actaully from Russellville, but I live out of state now. I am just slightly older than Nona and Kevin's age group and actually did pageants too. I never knew Nona or anything, but thats one reason why I am so drawn in by this case. Plus the fact that nothing like this has ever happened in Russellville.

As for what I think about the case. I do think the probable cause statement is pretty convincing as far as Kevin's guilt. But I am super interested in the other point of view as well.

[FDInLaw]

Hey everyone. I know you guys are kinda wary of new posters so I have decided to introduce myself. I am not super new to the board. I have just been lurking and re-reading everything so I am completely in the know. I am actaully from Russellville, but I live out of state now. I am just slightly older than Nona and Kevin's age group and actually did pageants too. I never knew Nona or anything, but thats one reason why I am so drawn in by this case. Plus the fact that nothing like this has ever happened in Russellville.

As for what I think about the case. I do think the probable cause statement is pretty convincing as far as Kevin's guilt. But I am super interested in the other point of view as well.

Welcome to the board, VolGirl! I've noticed you lurking from time to time and am glad you have decided to join in. . . the more the merrier!
:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

FD,

How's the weather today? Hope the ice storm passed. Alas, I'm going to have to suffer through another sunny, 72 degree day:cool: Enjoy your Sunday.

Merrick

Oh, bite me! We're not suppose to get out of the 30s till Friday! :cuss:

The trees are sure pretty all covered in ice though. We are in the middle of a movie marathon. . . sure glad we have not lost our electricity!

Enjoy your nice weather!

:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

From today's courier:
no charges filed in alleged rape
prosecutor cites lack of evidence

don't have the paper right now...
link won't be up until tomorrow afternoon...
here's what I remember...

1. girl didn't recant
2. simmons admitted to sex but
said it was consensual
3. cousin's statement remained the same
4. chelsea huckabay denied telling
cousin the alleged version of events...
she admitted to telling cousin she would give info
to cops
5. girl sent text "joking" messages
to simmons the day after
6. girl decided to go to cops
after cousin told her what
chelsea said
7. girl said more than once
to police she didn't give consent
to sex to any1 at party...
8. prosecutor didnt think
rape exam and any evidence
collected from clothes was
significant b/c simmons
admitted to sex...
if anything was found it
wasn't mentioned in ASP
report...

what seems odd...
is why would huckabay
volunterr to talk to cops...
out of the blue...
if nothing happened...

also...
what is it with dover...
r. gene simmons lived in dover...
jones is from dover...
every1 involved in this happy
little party is from dover...
the human remains found
were outside of dover...
the man recently convicted
for rape and attempted murder
was from dover...
i know there's more
but can't think offhand...
how can a town so small...
have so much trouble...


There are a number of things that bother me about what is going on here. I don't know who the alleged victim is, but her reputation and creditability is key. That in and of itself might bring some needed insight into what is going on here. Regardless though, even if the girl was not an angel herself, she still could have been legitimately victimized here. When this story first hit I was surprised that the first hand testimony all seemed to hinge on Chelsea. I'm not at all shocked by this latest development. . . Chelsea always stands by Kevin. JMO

[lemoncello]

you would think...
that id the cousin
were lying about
what chelsea
told her...
her statements would
have some
inconsistency between
her two statements...

and again....
why would chelsea say
she would talk to cops
if there was nothing to
talk about...

[FDInLaw]

you would think...
that id the cousin
were lying about
what chelsea
told her...
her statements would
have some
inconsistency between
her two statements...

and again....
why would chelsea say
she would talk to cops
if there was nothing to
talk about...

It does appear that Chelsea was/is conflicted about the whole thing, which in turn causes me to wonder if there is validity in the initial story.

[FDInLaw]

Where there's smoke there's usually fire, IMO. There has to be a lot more to this. If the initial assault was in fact a multiple person rape, I would think the rape kit would show at least two DNA. IMO.



Simmons admitted to having sex with her, but what about Ryan Whiteside? What are the results from the rape kit? There are a lot of unanswered questions that's for sure!

[FDInLaw]

you would think...
that id the cousin
were lying about
what chelsea
told her...
her statements would
have some
inconsistency between
her two statements...

and again....
why would chelsea say
she would talk to cops
if there was nothing to
talk about...

Lemoncello,

Who wrote the article in this morning's Courier? I'm assuming that it was not Janie Ginocchio since she posted yesterday that there was no new news regarding the rape story. Like most out-of-towners, I'm waiting for the online version. Thank you for posting a summary!

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm wondering if the time lag between the incident and the rape exam is part of the reason that charges weren't filed; maybe there just wasn't enough credible evidence that there had been multiple partners. (I'm assuming that the vic had bathed/showered many times in that time period, destroying DNA evidence.) Also, I have no idea how long the traces of Ecstacy remain in order to be tested for, so maybe that aspect couldn't be proven. That the victim was jokingly texting to Simmons so frequently makes the rape allegations sound somewhat dubious to me, but I suppose it's possible that as her memory returned she realized that she had been with more than one guy and felt victimized? So it would seem that the worst crime that occurred here is that alcohol was given to a minor. That KJ and RW would even want to watch, let alone participate is reprehensible if it happened that way.

I was also more than a little surprised to see in the article that Mark Frost was indeed the poster here; he's one of the few people involved in this whole case that I don't know, but posting here just doesn't seem like the most cool/levelheaded thing for him to have done, i.e. take the bait of LE detractors.

I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement in general and I'm sure that there must have been real or perceived pressure to go with the rape allegations; glad to see that logic prevailed here.

And IMO Kevin and his buds need therapy, they just give me the heebie jeebies.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lemoncello,

Who wrote the article in this morning's Courier? I'm assuming that it was not Janie Ginocchio since she posted yesterday that there was no new news regarding the rape story. Like most out-of-towners, I'm waiting for the online version. Thank you for posting a summary!

:seeya:

Yes, the byline (both articles) is Janie's.

[lemoncello]

Lemoncello,

Who wrote the article in this morning's Courier? I'm assuming that it was not Janie Ginocchio since she posted yesterday that there was no new news regarding the rape story. Like most out-of-towners, I'm waiting for the online version. Thank you for posting a summary!

:seeya:

paper said
prosecutor made the decision
Friday night...
and the reporter talked to him
Saturday...
maybe they didn't tell
the paper until sat...

re: the rape kit...
the article said the prosecutor
didn't think it was significant
and no tests were to be done...

[lorettalockhorn]

Just to clarify to anyone out-of-state, while this young woman isn't a minor per se, the drinking age in Arkansas is 21.

[al38]

Yeah, but I bet nothing is done about the underage drinking either.
I also figure that Jones will never spend a day in jail, he will be aquitted(sp) or there will be a mistrial, because obviousy you can get away with anything in this town if you know the right people, which is sad for the rest of us.
Isn't it funny that the Judge Patterson is stepping down? The timing is odd. That was in the paper the day after KJ made the news again. Looks like if he had planned very long on retiring, he would have done it at the end of Dec., or early in Jan-like the first week. JMO
After Nona had been murdered, when no arrest had been made, someone told me that the Jones' family and the Pattersons' were good friends, and that it had something to do with the arrest taking so long. At the time I didn't put much stock in that, but now the Patterson is retiring right after KJ is in trouble (make that out, but I bet it won't be the last time) it just makes me wonder.

[al38]

I don't mean to be a dork, but what does IIRC mean. Sorry

[al38]

Thank you, hopefully I can remember that!

[Brainstorm]

There were several I had trouble with and sometimes someone will slip a new one in.So no dorkiness in asking.
JMHO

[Brainstorm]

Hey everyone. I know you guys are kinda wary of new posters so I have decided to introduce myself. I am not super new to the board. I have just been lurking and re-reading everything so I am completely in the know. I am actaully from Russellville, but I live out of state now. I am just slightly older than Nona and Kevin's age group and actually did pageants too. I never knew Nona or anything, but thats one reason why I am so drawn in by this case. Plus the fact that nothing like this has ever happened in Russellville.

As for what I think about the case. I do think the probable cause statement is pretty convincing as far as Kevin's guilt. But I am super interested in the other point of view as well.

Welcome VolGirl,good to see you join up! Hasn't been long since I joined,but let me tell you,I have enjoyed every day.Just jump right in.These posters here are a good lot and very helpful when you need something explained or sorted out.Looking forward to your posts.
Moo

[Brainstorm]

ATTT! .

Huh? See there,I have to ask, ATTT?
Merrick? Anyone?
In fact it might be helpful to make a list for us.
JMOO

[al38]

Brainstorm, that's a great idea!

[VolGirl]

I get the feeling that charges aren't being filed in this rape case due to the small town politics and good ole boy system that exists in this area. I know that Russellville is horrible for it. I don't know if Dover is as bad, but I would imagine it is. I am actually surprised it made to the paper. I know several cases very much like this that got swept under the rug completely. IMO this is what is happening here.

[FDInLaw]

Coldwater posted a great list of acronyms on the Court TV site. . .

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=248485

[FDInLaw]

Coldwater posted a great list of acronyms on the Court TV site. . .

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=248485

Just read over the list. . . my personal favorite is "DFTT" (Don't Feed The Trolls). :lol:

[FDInLaw]

Yeah, but I bet nothing is done about the underage drinking either.
I also figure that Jones will never spend a day in jail, he will be aquitted(sp) or there will be a mistrial, because obviousy you can get away with anything in this town if you know the right people, which is sad for the rest of us.
Isn't it funny that the Judge Patterson is stepping down? The timing is odd. That was in the paper the day after KJ made the news again. Looks like if he had planned very long on retiring, he would have done it at the end of Dec., or early in Jan-like the first week. JMO
After Nona had been murdered, when no arrest had been made, someone told me that the Jones' family and the Pattersons' were good friends, and that it had something to do with the arrest taking so long. At the time I didn't put much stock in that, but now the Patterson is retiring right after KJ is in trouble (make that out, but I bet it won't be the last time) it just makes me wonder.

Both the Dirksmeyer and Dipert families are new to the area (first generation). What kills me is some folks claim Kevin Jones was charged because someone needed to be. His family is established in the area and he is an unlikely scapegoat. There’s no way that he would have been charged if they did not have reason to. JMO

[janetlynn]

I really do not understand what is up with DOVER! From today's courier:
no charges filed in alleged rape
prosecutor cites lack of evidence

don't have the paper right now...
link won't be up until tomorrow afternoon...
here's what I remember...

1. girl didn't recant
2. simmons admitted to sex but
said it was consensual
3. cousin's statement remained the same
4. chelsea huckabay denied telling
cousin the alleged version of events...
she admitted to telling cousin she would give info
to cops
5. girl sent text "joking" messages
to simmons the day after
6. girl decided to go to cops
after cousin told her what
chelsea said
7. girl said more than once
to police she didn't give consent
to sex to any1 at party...
8. prosecutor didnt think
rape exam and any evidence
collected from clothes was
significant b/c simmons
admitted to sex...
if anything was found it
wasn't mentioned in ASP
report...

what seems odd...
is why would huckabay
volunterr to talk to cops...
out of the blue...
if nothing happened...

also...
what is it with dover...
r. gene simmons lived in dover...
jones is from dover...
every1 involved in this happy
little party is from dover...
the human remains found
were outside of dover...
the man recently convicted
for rape and attempted murder
was from dover...
i know there's more
but can't think offhand...
how can a town so small...
have so much trouble...

[al38]

I certainly feel for Nona's family, and I can't imagine how I would feel if it were my daughter. She is dead and he is going to parties. She is in a better place.
Obviously, some people will never beleive that Kevin could do such a thing.
I'm afraid that if he gets off (if he really did it) that he will do it again.
I think he did it, but I am beginning to wonder if perhaps he wasn't by himself.
What were those superficial scratches/cuts from that were on her face? My dh says the broken lamp, maybe, but I don't think so.
Has anyone else wondered if it could have been fingernails?

[reynolds]

i HAVE read a lot of these post, Nona just lived up the street from me until she moved to Russellville, She was a very sweet girl, very polite and caring.
The only person I know in the Jones family is her Grandma Jones.
Why would this Kevin, Ryan and the Huckaby girl be at a party like that. Someone please answer my question.
Twiggy:patriot:

[Amy]

There was no rape! The girl is lying and everything in the paper is false! Mark it down, you will see soon!


What would be Chelsea's purpose in lying about her friend--the one she is vehement about not having committed a murder?

[Amy]

maybe the police gave this report to the paper to try to spin it to make Kevin sound bad, even though they knew it was not true. The paper never said it was true, just that it has been aleged.... From what I hear Kevins name appears quite a bit in the article, but he was not even alleged to be one of the "rapist" I havn't read the article though...

If he stood by and watched, and did nothing to stop the rape, he is as bad as those who did the actual deed. As is his friend Chelsea--instead of going back to check even one time, she should have been on the phone to the police. As should have Kevin.

He may have just stood by, he may have participated--how does Chelsea know? She was locked out. Either way, he's involved up to his eyebrows. IMO

[Amy]

It tells you everything in the article, "the victim’s cousin recounted a Dec. 31 conversation she had with Chelsea Huckabay, who was at the party, about what allegedly happened. Huckabay allegedly told the cousin Jeffery Simmons allegedly put half a tab of the drug Ecstasy in a glass of water and gave it to the victim, which she drank, according to the statement."

If you still don't understand maybe you should ask your "source" if the cousin was there.

(I couldn't get the article)so....shouldn't the reporter try to talk to some of the "players"--especially Chelsea--before they print something like this? Seems they would need to check out some of their sources, not just print an article based on someone saying someone said.......

I would think that, if they talked to Chelsea, and she denied what she was "quoted" as having said, the article shouldn't have been printed. Did the reported get any info from the police blotter that they investigated such an incident?

:shrug:

[Amy]

There is one piece of physical evidence that needs to be verified (and I sure hope the ASP gets a warrant for it) . . . the text message exchange between Chelsea and Kevin. Regardless of whether or not the girl changed her story, this could be key for the public. If the text message never occurred then that would help clear things up. . . if it did, folks will wonder if pressure was put on the girl. JMO

I know that, when a person is out on parole, he is not to be around drugs, alcohol, weapons, etc. BUT, is that stipulation also put on a person who is out on bond? Especially for murder? Just wondering--if there is such a stipulation, and it is found that KJ was at a party with liquor and drugs (to say nothing of rape, and at the least not calling LE when it started) would his bond be revoked and he have to return to jail til the trial?

[Amy]

Another thing. . . I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here or not, but there is one detail in the Courier article that bothers me. . . Ecstasy is not a knockout drug.


"What are its short-term effects (of Ecstasy)?
Users report that Ecstasy produces intensely pleasurable effects – including an enhanced sense of self-confidence and energy. Effects include feelings of peacefulness, acceptance and empathy. Users say they experience feelings of closeness with others and a desire to touch others. Other effects can include involuntary teeth clenching, a loss of inhibitions, transfixion on sights and sounds, nausea, blurred vision, chills and/or sweating. Increases in heart rate and blood pressure, as well as seizures, are also possible. The stimulant effects of the drug enable users to dance for extended periods, which when combined with the hot crowded conditions usually found at raves, can lead to severe dehydration and hyperthermia or dramatic increases in body temperature. This can lead to muscle breakdown and kidney, liver and cardiovascular failure. Cardiovascular failure has been reported in some of the Ecstasy-related fatalities.

After-effects can include sleep problems, anxiety and depression."

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_Guide/Ecstasy

Seems to me that the drug could alter someone's inhibitions enough, maybe even have that person (esp if she was not used to mind altering drugs and beverages) become unaware of surroundings and reality? Just like sometimes, even alcohol in itself causes one to pass out.???

[optimumprimal78]

I know that, when a person is out on parole, he is not to be around drugs, alcohol, weapons, etc. BUT, is that stipulation also put on a person who is out on bond? Especially for murder? Just wondering--if there is such a stipulation, and it is found that KJ was at a party with liquor and drugs (to say nothing of rape, and at the least not calling LE when it started) would his bond be revoked and he have to return to jail til the trial?


I'm not really sure if there is any mandatory stipulation that is in place for these types of cases regarding what he can or can't do. From what I heard he has some things that he has to do (check in, etc.) If his lawyer is any good he would definitely be wise to advise him not to make an appearance at a place where things like drugs or alcohol are located. With that said, KJ has been to a few "get togethers" in the past few months with RW.

Something else that I was thinking about that disturbs me: say this rape did not happen ( or it did and no charges are filed) and it was consensual sex between the victim and simmons as the paper said. Why would RW and KJ be in the room watching? This is supposed to be an intimate moment between people not a peepshow. I mean what kind of party was this exactly? Also if you look at # 4 in lemoncello's list 4. chelsea huckabay denied telling
cousin the alleged version of events...she admitted to telling cousin she would give info to cops and then look at #6 girl decided to go to cops after cousin told her what chelsea said. Does this not prove that there was a conversation? I mean you can't really deny that something took place between the cousin and chelsea that made the cousin want to make a statement. Did chelsea say that she would back up the victim or did she tell her what happened? Was chelsea's statement in retaliation or to back up her beliefs as to what happened?

Too many questions have been added to this case with this new topic being added in.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, but I bet nothing is done about the underage drinking either.
I also figure that Jones will never spend a day in jail, he will be aquitted(sp) or there will be a mistrial, because obviousy you can get away with anything in this town if you know the right people, which is sad for the rest of us.
Isn't it funny that the Judge Patterson is stepping down? The timing is odd. That was in the paper the day after KJ made the news again. Looks like if he had planned very long on retiring, he would have done it at the end of Dec., or early in Jan-like the first week. JMO
After Nona had been murdered, when no arrest had been made, someone told me that the Jones' family and the Pattersons' were good friends, and that it had something to do with the arrest taking so long. At the time I didn't put much stock in that, but now the Patterson is retiring right after KJ is in trouble (make that out, but I bet it won't be the last time) it just makes me wonder.

Pretty sure that supplying alcohol to an underage drinker is a misdemeanor, so even if LE wants to explore that, it wouldn't have an affect on KJ's bail//bond; I believe that a felony charge is what gives the judge the right to rescind bail.

I wondered if Patterson hasn't been thinking about retirement for some time; it does require some advance planning. Maybe he wanted to see this case through but decided since it won't take place until July instead of January that he just doesn't want to wait that long. As far as him having a relationship with the Jones family; I can't imagine that he wouldn't recuse if that is the case. The other two judges could have stepped right in and I don't see Patterson willingly tainting his tenure with one of his last cases.

[FDInLaw]

i HAVE read a lot of these post, Nona just lived up the street from me until she moved to Russellville, She was a very sweet girl, very polite and caring.
The only person I know in the Jones family is her Grandma Jones.
Why would this Kevin, Ryan and the Huckaby girl be at a party like that. Someone please answer my question.
Twiggy:patriot:

Welcome to the board!

I hate to say this, but that kind of party is not strange for this group to attend. There is a public "good boy" persona that Kevin seems to have, but in actuality it's just not true. All three of these individuals are into hard parting. . . and I'm not talking about just drinking a beer or two. Often I hear folks say that Kevin just wouldn't have killed Nona. The Kevin of a few years ago may not of, but substance abuse really changes people. JMO

[FDInLaw]

(I couldn't get the article)so....shouldn't the reporter try to talk to some of the "players"--especially Chelsea--before they print something like this? Seems they would need to check out some of their sources, not just print an article based on someone saying someone said.......

I would think that, if they talked to Chelsea, and she denied what she was "quoted" as having said, the article shouldn't have been printed. Did the reported get any info from the police blotter that they investigated such an incident?

:shrug:

The first article states this. . .

"The Courier obtained police documents from the Russellville Police Department’s AEGIS computer system detailing the victim’s complaint."

Also. . .

"Goemmer’s report noted Huckabay was not available for questioning at the time the complaint was made, which was at 10:44 p.m. on New Year’s Eve."

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=13515&Search=rape

It doesn't appear that the reporter did any independent investigating. The second quote suggest to me that they did not know Chelsea's story at that point. Obviously, it would have been wise for them to determine that, since she was the key witness in the case.

[lemoncello]

<snip>That the victim was jokingly texting to Simmons so frequently makes the rape allegations sound somewhat dubious to me, but I suppose it's possible that as her memory returned she realized that she had been with more than one guy and felt victimized? So it would seem that the worst crime that occurred here is that alcohol was given to a minor. That KJ and RW would even want to watch, let alone participate is reprehensible if it happened that way.


i actually
can understand the
text messaging part...
you see, i mentioned my
misspent youth and how
nothing bad happened to me
during a blackout...
unfortunately this incident i am
able to fully remember
to this day...
a boy i had a casual relationship
with once forced sex with me...
i said no numerous times and tried
to push him away...
he never threatened me or hurt me...
he just pushed me down and did
it anyway...
i was 20 then...
i felt plenty violated...
but i did not tell a soul at the time...
and i still saw this guy everyday...
had normal conversations with him...
maybe even consensually slept with him
afterwards...
i was ashamed and thought it was
my fault for not stopping him...
for just laying there, looking at the stars
while he rutted away...
her first text message to him says
volumes to me based on my own experience...
"everyone will think i'm a *****"
she woke up naked in bed with two
men... not sure of what happened...
the first thing she probably felt was shame...
so she tried to laugh it off to hide her
embarrassment...
and then her cousin tells her what chelsea said...
that it went beyond what she could have imagined...
so she talks to family and they urge her to go to police...
and that attempt to hide her shame comes back
to haunt her...

[lemoncello]

The first article states this. . .

"The Courier obtained police documents from the Russellville Police Department’s AEGIS computer system detailing the victim’s complaint."

Also. . .

"Goemmer’s report noted Huckabay was not available for questioning at the time the complaint was made, which was at 10:44 p.m. on New Year’s Eve."

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=13515&Search=rape

It doesn't appear that the reporter did any independent investigating. The second quote suggest to me that they did not know Chelsea's story at that point. Obviously, it would have been wise for them to determine that, since she was the key witness in the case.


i don't think anything chelsea would
have said
would have stopped that
story from running...
you have to look at the whole
piece, from the head to the subhead
to how the story was sourced...
story wasnt that the incident
ocurred but that the police were
looking into it....
she carefully sourced just about
every sentence in that article to sa what
hapened was alleged and that it came
from the police's initial report....
which is a public document...
the fact that it was still
an open investigation...
and there might be charges filed...
was what caused it to be news...
by the way...
initial news coverage of crimes
unless its on the spot
usually just sources the report
and what the police have to say
basically...
in a nutshell...
the story was...
there is a police investigation...
and based on police reports...
the investigating whether what happened
as outlined can be prosecuted...

[lemoncello]

<snip>
Something else that I was thinking about that disturbs me: say this rape did not happen ( or it did and no charges are filed) and it was consensual sex between the victim and simmons as the paper said. Why would RW and KJ be in the room watching? This is supposed to be an intimate moment between people not a peepshow. I mean what kind of party was this exactly? Also if you look at # 4 in lemoncello's list 4. chelsea huckabay denied telling
cousin the alleged version of events...she admitted to telling cousin she would give info to cops and then look at #6 girl decided to go to cops after cousin told her what chelsea said. Does this not prove that there was a conversation? I mean you can't really deny that something took place between the cousin and chelsea that made the cousin want to make a statement. Did chelsea say that she would back up the victim or did she tell her what happened? Was chelsea's statement in retaliation or to back up her beliefs as to what happened?

Too many questions have been added to this case with this new topic being added in.

just to clarify...
the paper didn't say the
sex was consensual, simmons did...
gibbons said he couldn't prove...
based on evidence...
that it wasnt...

[optimumprimal78]

sorry i haven't got to read the article yet i was just kind of going on what i interpreted the post.

[lemoncello]

sorry i haven't got to read the article yet i was just kind of going on what i interpreted the post.

i wasnt
getting on to you...
i hope it didnt come
across that way...
i just get hung up
on picky details sometimes...

[optimumprimal78]

no hurt feelings here. Like I said I was just going what I thought I read in the post. So take my post about their activities as a hypothetical statement.

[christina]

First I would like to say upfront that I am a friend of Patty and Dennis Whiteside. I was led to this site by the articles Ms. Ginocchio has written. To say I am upset with her articles about an alleged rape taking place at the Whiteside home is an understatement. They are good, upstanding people and it was highly inappropriate for the article to be written, especially in that manner.
Please note that in Sundays paper was the notice of a rape charged FILED by Mr. Gibbons. Where was that article? It wasn’t front page and above the fold like this one where NO charges were filed. It was on page 7 under the title Courthouse News in a long list of other charges filed. It was also authored by Ms. Ginocchio. Why is a story about an allegation getting more press than one about a person actually charged with rape? I would call that biased.
One of our police officer friends told me that the RPD allowed Ms. Ginocchio to see the incident report of the alleged rape but informed her that it was an ongoing investigation and to hold off reporting till the investigation was complete. That fact that she did not hold off and chose to print an allegation including names and addresses of innocent people was wrong. All she had to do was wait a few days for the whole story. Her reporting skills should be called into serious question in my opinion. Not only did she write these articles before getting the entire story, she is also writing here on this apparent “anti Kevin Jones and anyone associated with him” site. This adds to my belief of her being biased.
The Whiteside's know Kevin Jones, they knew Nona Dirksmeyer but that is all. Why should upstanding people get pulled through the mud of the press because of an association and a biased reporter?
Do young adults, for that matter all adults, make bad choices- yes. Should there have been underage drinking at a party- no. Had Dennis and Patty been present I assure you they would have stopped it.
When the article is put on the Courier’s website you all will have the opportunity to see “the rest of the story”. The comments and actions by the alleged victim are very questionable and that appears to be part of the reason charges were not filed. Example- she admits to having two beers and a shot of rum and admits to having “hung out twice before” with Simmons.
Just as you here talk about how good a job David Gibbons, the Arkansas State Police and the RPD did in investigating Ms. Dirksmeyer’s murder- give them the same kudos about investigating and choosing not to file charges in this case.
Thank you for listening.

[FDInLaw]

First I would like to say upfront that I am a friend of Patty and Dennis Whiteside. I was led to this site by the articles Ms. Ginocchio has written. To say I am upset with her articles about an alleged rape taking place at the Whiteside home is an understatement. They are good, upstanding people and it was highly inappropriate for the article to be written, especially in that manner.
Please note that in Sundays paper was the notice of a rape charged FILED by Mr. Gibbons. Where was that article? It wasn’t front page and above the fold like this one where NO charges were filed. It was on page 7 under the title Courthouse News in a long list of other charges filed. It was also authored by Ms. Ginocchio. Why is a story about an allegation getting more press than one about a person actually charged with rape? I would call that biased.
One of our police officer friends told me that the RPD allowed Ms. Ginocchio to see the incident report of the alleged rape but informed her that it was an ongoing investigation and to hold off reporting till the investigation was complete. That fact that she did not hold off and chose to print an allegation including names and addresses of innocent people was wrong. All she had to do was wait a few days for the whole story. Her reporting skills should be called into serious question in my opinion. Not only did she write these articles before getting the entire story, she is also writing here on this apparent “anti Kevin Jones and anyone associated with him” site. This adds to my belief of her being biased.
The Whiteside's know Kevin Jones, they knew Nona Dirksmeyer but that is all. Why should upstanding people get pulled through the mud of the press because of an association and a biased reporter?
Do young adults, for that matter all adults, make bad choices- yes. Should there have been underage drinking at a party- no. Had Dennis and Patty been present I assure you they would have stopped it.
When the article is put on the Courier’s website you all will have the opportunity to see “the rest of the story”. The comments and actions by the alleged victim are very questionable and that appears to be part of the reason charges were not filed. Example- she admits to having two beers and a shot of rum and admits to having “hung out twice before” with Simmons.
Just as you here talk about how good a job David Gibbons, the Arkansas State Police and the RPD did in investigating Ms. Dirksmeyer’s murder- give them the same kudos about investigating and choosing not to file charges in this case.
Thank you for listening.

Welcome to the board, Christina! :seeya:

This is not an anti-Kevin (and his friends) board. Many of us share your concerns about the reporting that was done regarding the rape allegation and have been discussing our problems and questions regarding it. Thank you so much for posting, it really adds to the present discussion. ~ FD

[FDInLaw]

Can I just vent here. . . the Courier really does not pay enough attention to their web site. It would be nice if they would update their site more regularly.

:flamemad:

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13543

Courier Article

[hawgustusgloop]

Other article about the rape charges or lack thereof
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13546

[FDInLaw]

hawgustusgloop,

Thanks for the links. Wow, our own FDInLaw made the article about the internet sleuthers! Way cool!:patriot:

Oh, joy. . . now my life is complete (sarcasm off). :cool:

Thanks for the links, Hawgustusgloop! :seeya:

[christina]

Here is the link to the page telling about the rape charge that was filed.

http://www.couriernews.com/legal.php

[janieginocchio]

I haven't commented about anything said on this board, but I wanted to clarify a couple of things regarding Christina's post.

1. The Courier's stories on the alleged rape were handled in the same manner that all stories stemming from police incident reports are handled.
2. In regard to the courthouse news item, that was a notice that the case had been assigned to Judge Patterson's court. The charges were actually filed in late November, and a front page story (above the fold and in the same position as the recent rape allegation stories) ran Nov. 28, 2006. It was written by Brooke Chambers and the link to it is here: http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13177&Search=jackson.
3. At no time did the RPD tell me, my editor or Brooke Chambers (the reporter who actually got the report from the RPD on the alleged rape we reported on Jan. 11) not to run the story.

[janieginocchio]

I apologize -- that story was about Jackson's bond hearing. The charges have been filed and Brooke had planned an update on the case.

[hawgustusgloop]

The Whiteside's know Kevin Jones, they knew Nona Dirksmeyer but that is all. Why should upstanding people get pulled through the mud of the press because of an association and a biased reporter?


In the articles I read, it didn't seem like the Whitesides were being pulled through the mud. In fact, I didn't notice anything negative being said about them. If I missed something, then I apologize. The only thing I saw about them was that it was their house at which the party took place.

I think this particular alleged rape was reported for one reason: Kevin Jones. He is charged with murder but is free to roam the streets. If I lived in the area and an accused murderer was even possibly involved in an incident like this, I would want to know. IMO all of the people who were at the party probably know who Kevin is and know about the murder charge. They were allegedly engaging in illegal and/or risky behaviors with him knowing his situation. I think the article makes pretty much all the people involved look bad. I don't think anyone should be shocked or upset that this made the news.

[optimumprimal78]

It would probably be best if Miss Huckaby did not do any hanging out at parties because every time she goes to one it seems like something happens. Or at least to people around her...

[FDInLaw]

It would probably be best if Miss Huckaby did not do any hanging out at parties because every time she goes to one it seems like something happens. Or at least to people around her...

Are you trying to be cryptic or is it just me?

:rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

No doubt, CH has some issues and it's a shame her character is such that she's probably not being honest with LE. Why in the world with the cousin make up such a story with the level of details that only someone who was there would know? Just makes no sense. JMHO.

One more post girl, and you're a "Senor Member!" Congratulations!

:beer:

[lemoncello]

I haven't commented about anything said on this board, but I wanted to clarify a couple of things regarding Christina's post.

1. The Courier's stories on the alleged rape were handled in the same manner that all stories stemming from police incident reports are handled.
2. In regard to the courthouse news item, that was a notice that the case had been assigned to Judge Patterson's court. The charges were actually filed in late November, and a front page story (above the fold and in the same position as the recent rape allegation stories) ran Nov. 28, 2006. It was written by Brooke Chambers and the link to it is here: http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13177&Search=jackson.
3. At no time did the RPD tell me, my editor or Brooke Chambers (the reporter who actually got the report from the RPD on the alleged rape we reported on Jan. 11) not to run the story.

well there we hve it...
straight from the horse's
mouth...
and the stories are structured
in a similar manner...
tho the nov. story is taken
from bond hearing testimony...
but no charges had been filed then...
seems the paper is consistent...
on another note...
i love how people claim the media
is "biased" when they read
something they dont like...

[FDInLaw]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13543

Courier Article

Doutless, there are countless folks in the Courier's reading area that have no clue what has been going on internet regarding Nona's case. However, I find it ironic that the online incident that is reported here took place over six months ago. Where has the Courier been? A good number of other exchanges took place but have long been deleted. Such as Kevin's post on the Pageant site, and the local exchanges that took place on Steve Huffs site that included Chelsea Huckabay. I don't mean to be harsh, but I'm not impressed.
:cool:

[hawgustusgloop]

Doutless, there are countless folks in the Courier's reading area that have no clue what has been going on internet regarding Nona's case. However, I find it ironic that the online incident that is reported here took place over six months ago. Where has the Courier been? A good number of other exchanges took place but have long been deleted. Such as Kevin's post on the Pageant site, and the local exchanges that took place on Steve Huffs site that included Chelsea Huckabay. I don't mean to be harsh, but I'm not impressed.
:cool:

I was thinking the exact same thing, FDInLaw. I thought the posts from the 3 Stooges were old news and not that big of a deal in the scheme of all the Internet posts involving this case. However, I think the article may be part of a series, so perhaps its author is saving the good stuff for another installment?

[FDInLaw]

I was thinking the exact same thing, FDInLaw. I thought the posts from the 3 Stooges were old news and not that big of a deal in the scheme of all the Internet posts involving this case. However, I think the article may be part of a series, so perhaps its author is saving the good stuff for another installment?


Not sure what the "good stuff" could be. . . but you are right. I need to lower my expectations. . . she's reporting about our "hood," it's not like she is going to come up with anything that is news to us. You know, I think I'm becoming a bit of a blogger. . . the internet is definitely where it is at.
:seeya:

[VolGirl]

First I would like to say upfront that I am a friend of Patty and Dennis Whiteside. I was led to this site by the articles Ms. Ginocchio has written. To say I am upset with her articles about an alleged rape taking place at the Whiteside home is an understatement. They are good, upstanding people and it was highly inappropriate for the article to be written, especially in that manner.
Please note that in Sundays paper was the notice of a rape charged FILED by Mr. Gibbons. Where was that article? It wasn’t front page and above the fold like this one where NO charges were filed. It was on page 7 under the title Courthouse News in a long list of other charges filed. It was also authored by Ms. Ginocchio. Why is a story about an allegation getting more press than one about a person actually charged with rape? I would call that biased.
One of our police officer friends told me that the RPD allowed Ms. Ginocchio to see the incident report of the alleged rape but informed her that it was an ongoing investigation and to hold off reporting till the investigation was complete. That fact that she did not hold off and chose to print an allegation including names and addresses of innocent people was wrong. All she had to do was wait a few days for the whole story. Her reporting skills should be called into serious question in my opinion. Not only did she write these articles before getting the entire story, she is also writing here on this apparent “anti Kevin Jones and anyone associated with him” site. This adds to my belief of her being biased.
The Whiteside's know Kevin Jones, they knew Nona Dirksmeyer but that is all. Why should upstanding people get pulled through the mud of the press because of an association and a biased reporter?
Do young adults, for that matter all adults, make bad choices- yes. Should there have been underage drinking at a party- no. Had Dennis and Patty been present I assure you they would have stopped it.
When the article is put on the Courier’s website you all will have the opportunity to see “the rest of the story”. The comments and actions by the alleged victim are very questionable and that appears to be part of the reason charges were not filed. Example- she admits to having two beers and a shot of rum and admits to having “hung out twice before” with Simmons.
Just as you here talk about how good a job David Gibbons, the Arkansas State Police and the RPD did in investigating Ms. Dirksmeyer’s murder- give them the same kudos about investigating and choosing not to file charges in this case.
Thank you for listening.

I understand how the Whitesides and friends could feel somewhat "pulled through the mud," but you have to remember that the company their son is keeping is going to make everything a bit more magnified. For lack of a better saying, "If you run with dogs, you are going to get fleas." This probably would have been reported regardless of the people involved, but due to the circumstances and people involved it is definitely more sensational.

In my opinion this whole "they are out to get me" attitude that many seem to be taking on Kevin's side is getting really old.

[christina]

Can we assume you inlcude Ms Dirksmeyer and the young female who attended the party and then accused someone of rape later in your "wise quip" about dogs?

[FDInLaw]

Can we assume you inlcude Ms Dirksmeyer and the young female who attended the party and then accused someone of rape later in your "wise quip" about dogs?


Don't you DARE mention Nona in this way. . . she is dead, and can no longer defend herself.
:flamemad:

[christina]

Don't you dare threaten me. You neither own all thought on this case nor all thought on Ms. Dirksmeyer.
I asked a rhetorical question to make a point. I did not say anything derogortory about Ms. Dirksmeyer and never would speak ill of her.

[sassyone]

I understand how the Whitesides and friends could feel somewhat "pulled through the mud," but you have to remember that the company their son is keeping is going to make everything a bit more magnified. For lack of a better saying, "If you run with dogs, you are going to get fleas." This probably would have been reported regardless of the people involved, but due to the circumstances and people involved it is definitely more sensational.

In my opinion this whole "they are out to get me" attitude that many seem to be taking on Kevin's side is getting really old.
I am new at this, but I have been here quietly listening. I will tell you right now I am not a follower. I try to look at all the different sides. What I am having the hardest time with is understanding where is the motive. I have not read anywhere that Kevin had a mean side. Nona's parents have not said that she was planing on breaking up with him, that has all been rumors. I have had my heart broke before, I didn't go crazy and kill the person I loved more than anything else. One more thing, Kevin may be out partying with friends, drinking and doing drugs and the lord only knows what else, if I was Accused of such a awful crime I would probably be doing the same thing. Lets not get the rope out just yet, he is innocent until proven quilty.

[FDInLaw]

Don't you dare threaten me. You neither own all thought on this case nor all thought on Ms. Dirksmeyer.
I asked a rhetorical question to make a point. I did not say anything derogortory about Ms. Dirksmeyer and never would speak ill of her.

Rhetorical question or not, please try to be more respectful in the future. Regardless of what you think about Nona, her loved ones do read this board. . . do try to be mindful of that.

[christina]

You have helped make my point. In a note to me you besmirch Mr. Jones as it appears you have many times before.
You have also inferred something negative about me from my note-
"It's human nature to strike out against something that isn't to your liking or thinking, it's maturity and objectivity that enable us to process this same information and turn it into something useful."
And then stated that I was "baiting you". You do not know my motives at all and it is rather conceited to think you do.


FDInLaw,
Why do you assume I think negatively of Ms Dirksmeyer. I knew her and know some members of her family. I know them to be believers and believe she is at peace with her God. I liked her and wish justice as it appears you do.

Both of your "welcome to the boards" seem a bit insincere to me now.

[christina]

It is unfortunate that you have chosen write notes on here as a bully would- browbeating people.
To browbeat means to intimidate through arrogant speech. Your notes and several others comes across that way.
I am glad that true Justice for Nona will be in a courtroom and not with some of the members of this site.
Good day

[FDInLaw]

I am new at this, but I have been here quietly listening. I will tell you right now I am not a follower. I try to look at all the different sides. What I am having the hardest time with is understanding where is the motive. I have not read anywhere that Kevin had a mean side. Nona's parents have not said that she was planing on breaking up with him, that has all been rumors. I have had my heart broke before, I didn't go crazy and kill the person I loved more than anything else. One more thing, Kevin may be out partying with friends, drinking and doing drugs and the lord only knows what else, if I was Accused of such a awful crime I would probably be doing the same thing. Lets not get the rope out just yet, he is innocent until proven quilty.

Welcome to the board!

You are right, there has been little if any official talk about motive. Those without connections to the case are left with mere speculation. I'm sure when the trial finally rolls around this topic will be thoroughly discussed there. Until then, rumors run rampant.

[FDInLaw]

You have helped make my point. In a note to me you besmirch Mr. Jones as it appears you have many times before.
You have also inferred something negative about me from my note-
"It's human nature to strike out against something that isn't to your liking or thinking, it's maturity and objectivity that enable us to process this same information and turn it into something useful."
And then stated that I was "baiting you". You do not know my motives at all and it is rather conceited to think you do.


FDInLaw,
Why do you assume I think negatively of Ms Dirksmeyer. I knew her and know some members of her family. I know them to be believers and believe she is at peace with her God. I liked her and wish justice as it appears you do.

Both of your "welcome to the boards" seem a bit insincere to me now.

If you do have respect and even affection for Nona, that will show forth in your posts. Forgive me, I have a bit of an Irish temper and it did get the best of me. You are welcome on this board.

[FDInLaw]

It is unfortunate that you have chosen write notes on here as a bully would- browbeating people.
To browbeat means to intimidate through arrogant speech. Your notes and several others comes across that way.
I am glad that true Justice for Nona will be in a courtroom and not with some of the members of this site.
Good day

I'm going to have to stick up for Merrick here. . . she has a good heart. The "problem" is, she was probably the captain of her high school's debate team.

:D

[sassyone]

Welcome to the board!

You are right, there has been little if any official talk about motive. Those without connections to the case are left with mere speculation. I'm sure when the trial finally rolls around this topic will be thoroughly discussed there. Until then, rumors run rampant.

I am so glad I do not have the connections to this awful crime. I cannot come close to the pain that everyone close to these two young kids are going through. I do have boys close to Kevin's age. If they find him guilty of this crime his life will also be over, and maybe he will fill the pain that Nona felt.

[janetlynn]

But sometimes we need alittle help getting up. If everyone would just try to help someone else with out wanting something in return....What kind of world would this be.....:)

[Brainstorm]

It is unfortunate that you have chosen write notes on here as a bully would- browbeating people.
To browbeat means to intimidate through arrogant speech. Your notes and several others comes across that way.
I am glad that true Justice for Nona will be in a courtroom and not with some of the members of this site.
Good day

Christina,Everyone on this board has always been kind and helpful to me,since I joined.Everyone has a right to their opinion but the way one expresses it goes a long way with other posters.
About dogs and fleas and such-there's one in our area-If you can't run with the big dogs,then GET OFF THE PORCH !!

[VolGirl]

Can we assume you inlcude Ms Dirksmeyer and the young female who attended the party and then accused someone of rape later in your "wise quip" about dogs?

No I don't include Nona in that group. Kevin was not being tried for murder when she was with him. I do include the young female that is the accuser. I'm, however, not saying she deserved whatever (if anything) happened because of it.
I also said for lack of a better phrase.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've had plenty of criticisms of the Courier in the many (many!) years that I've been reading it; but not of this recent alleged rape. And for many reasons; we should be informed that such activities happen in good homes and not just in trailer parks (for instance), we do need to know that underage drinkers are being supplied with alcohol and/or drugs, and we do need to know that there is a possibility charges for rape (or gang rape) are pending. Because we need to know that crime is stratified.

If the Whitesides are offended that the article was printed, then it would seem to me that they are asking for special priveleges to be afforded them. (And I don't remember the parents' names being mentioned; were they?)

I would be shocked, and I do mean shocked if LE ever advised or asked for an incident report to be squelched. I just cannot think of anything that would cause more alarm to many in the community.

I'll admit, I've had fewer criticisms of LE than I have had of KJ. For instance, I still can't imagine what possessed Mark Frost to post on this board. But I sure as hell can't imagine why KJ doesn't sober up and help find Nona's true killer if it isn't him.

So I'll get off the soapbox for a minute and ask: Is everyone in the deepfreeze? And are you tired of it??

[lorettalockhorn]

i actually
can understand the
text messaging part...
you see, i mentioned my
misspent youth and how
nothing bad happened to me
during a blackout...
unfortunately this incident i am
able to fully remember
to this day...
a boy i had a casual relationship
with once forced sex with me...
i said no numerous times and tried
to push him away...
he never threatened me or hurt me...
he just pushed me down and did
it anyway...
i was 20 then...
i felt plenty violated...
but i did not tell a soul at the time...
and i still saw this guy everyday...
had normal conversations with him...
maybe even consensually slept with him
afterwards...
i was ashamed and thought it was
my fault for not stopping him...
for just laying there, looking at the stars
while he rutted away...
her first text message to him says
volumes to me based on my own experience...
"everyone will think i'm a *****"
she woke up naked in bed with two
men... not sure of what happened...
the first thing she probably felt was shame...
so she tried to laugh it off to hide her
embarrassment...
and then her cousin tells her what chelsea said...
that it went beyond what she could have imagined...
so she talks to family and they urge her to go to police...
and that attempt to hide her shame comes back
to haunt her...

So sorry that this happened to you; we can only hope that the world will become more civilized and enlightened and that someday these types of assaults won't happen.

What you say about this young woman's reaction seems plausible.

[janetlynn]

I am cold but not yet frozen...LOL We have to stay with others that are warm blooded to keep warm...in a very cold world....So snugle up

[lorettalockhorn]

Merrick and janetlynn, we've been lucky so far this year; not too much bitterly cold weather. (I'm just outside of Russellville.) But I'm ready for it to be over! My jonquils are frozen. :biggrin:

[hawgustusgloop]

Can we assume you inlcude Ms Dirksmeyer and the young female who attended the party and then accused someone of rape later in your "wise quip" about dogs?

Disgusting post.

[Amy]

In the articles I read, it didn't seem like the Whitesides were being pulled through the mud. In fact, I didn't notice anything negative being said about them. If I missed something, then I apologize. The only thing I saw about them was that it was their house at which the party took place.

I think this particular alleged rape was reported for one reason: Kevin Jones. He is charged with murder but is free to roam the streets. If I lived in the area and an accused murderer was even possibly involved in an incident like this, I would want to know. IMO all of the people who were at the party probably know who Kevin is and know about the murder charge. They were allegedly engaging in illegal and/or risky behaviors with him knowing his situation. I think the article makes pretty much all the people involved look bad. I don't think anyone should be shocked or upset that this made the news.

I agree. It was "newsworthy" because it involved Kevin Jones. Anyone accused of (lo, even CHARGED WITH) a murder is going to be watched for what s/he does, how s/he act while out on bond awaiting trial.

He's a dufus if he thinks that he will be allowed to just slink into the woodwork and go on with his life unnoticed. If he doesn't want to be noticed, he should get a job and go to work (he has substantial legal bills--and there will be more.)

If he wants to have a QUIET evening with friends, he should make sure it is just that QUIET, CLEAN, without drugs and alcohol to provide greater opportunities for things getting out of hand. This time, he was only peripherally involved in the incident. What about next time? Drunken driving charges? Maybe a fatality accident involving alcohol? Or, they get thinkin' wild and tear up someone's house/car or rob a bank?

EVEN IF he indeed is found not guilty--at this time in his life, he doesn't need to be doing things that will affect what others (eventually the jury) see as his character. His "friends" should see how important a "clean" character is for him, and should not booze and do drugs around him...in fact, now would be a good time for all of them to cool their jets on this kind of activity. It would be considerate of their friend, and help them in the long run, too. (I know, pie in the sky. ;) )


IMO

[Amy]

I am new at this, but I have been here quietly listening. I will tell you right now I am not a follower. I try to look at all the different sides. What I am having the hardest time with is understanding where is the motive. I have not read anywhere that Kevin had a mean side. Nona's parents have not said that she was planing on breaking up with him, that has all been rumors. I have had my heart broke before, I didn't go crazy and kill the person I loved more than anything else. One more thing, Kevin may be out partying with friends, drinking and doing drugs and the lord only knows what else, if I was Accused of such a awful crime I would probably be doing the same thing. Lets not get the rope out just yet, he is innocent until proven quilty.

Motive--it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Why did Scott Peterson, Michael Peterson, Dirk Greineder, Rabbi Neus(I forget how to spell his name) Mark Hacking...the list goes on... kill their wives--NO motive they could come up with sounds reasonable to us.

Why do all those mothers/fathers kill their babies? THEIR motives don't make any sense to us.

There are numerous cases of man or woman killing their s/o---there doesn't have to be an ACTUAL threat to them--that the other is going to leave him/her, the other is cheating in the relationship, etc. Sometimes it's just in the imagination of the murderer that this happening.

JUST BECAUSE Nona did not tell her mother, or anyone else for that matter, if there were problems in the relationship, if she was wanting to go in a direction that Kevin was not---whatever---that does NOT mean it didn't happen. Just that she did not discuss it. We will probably never know now, cuz of the 2 who would know, one is dead. And, if the other is guilty, he sure as heck probably isn't gonna reveal that info.

NO MATTER WHAT MOTIVE anyone comes up with for any murder--it NEVER makes sense to the majority of the people in the world. MOST PEOPLE do NOT murder just because something has gone wrong in a relationship, because they would like the money from an insurance policy, because the kids are in the way of a new relationship, or for any reason, really. MOST people work thru it, around it, and get on with their lives. Unfortunately, there are some people who just don't have a clue and actually think killing the "problem" will solve everything.

IMO

[Amy]

Merrick and janetlynn, we've been lucky so far this year; not too much bitterly cold weather. (I'm just outside of Russellville.) But I'm ready for it to be over! My jonquils are frozen. :biggrin:

It's 21 here today in SW KS--the highest it's been all week is 15--and the fact that the wind has been 10-20 mph doesn't help. At least we did not get "the second round" last week--but I am sorry for all the folk in Missouri especially. And the areas around that got that last hit.

Let's hope the bad stuff is over for the season!!! ;)

[jonikay]

Hi! This is my first reply, but I've been reading this forum for quite a long time. I live in Dover, but I'm not from there. I get the Russellville Courier as well as the Dover Times. There is a small article in the Courier today entitled "Clarification" about the rape charges involving Jones, Whiteside, and Jeff Simmons. It states that Simmons confirmed that Jones and Whiteside were both in the room during the sexual encounter, but states they weren't involved in the encounter. Gibbons states that "there is no evidence at all that Whiteside or Jones had any sexual contact with the complaintant at any time during the 28th and 29th of December."
Isn't it nice to know that "good ole' boys," "upstanding citizens of a small-town community" sit in rooms and watch while others are having sex. Say what you will, but guilty of murder or not, that is sick. When I say that, I mean it towards all 3 boys involved.

[FDInLaw]

Hi! This is my first reply, but I've been reading this forum for quite a long time. I live in Dover, but I'm not from there. I get the Russellville Courier as well as the Dover Times. There is a small article in the Courier today entitled "Clarification" about the rape charges involving Jones, Whiteside, and Jeff Simmons. It states that Simmons confirmed that Jones and Whiteside were both in the room during the sexual encounter, but states they weren't involved in the encounter. Gibbons states that "there is no evidence at all that Whiteside or Jones had any sexual contact with the complaintant at any time during the 28th and 29th of December."
Isn't it nice to know that "good ole' boys," "upstanding citizens of a small-town community" sit in rooms and watch while others are having sex. Say what you will, but guilty of murder or not, that is sick. When I say that, I mean it towards all 3 boys involved.
Welcome to the board, Jonikay! As you have read here, you are not alone in your disgust. Thanks for the heads up about the article!

:seeya:

[lemoncello]

that piece
was on the left-hand
column with the weather...
so it might not make it online...
here it is:
"In the Jan. 14 article regarding 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbon’s decision not to file charges in an alleged rape that occurred Dec. 28, one part of the accuser’s allegations was not addressed.
Although suspect Jeffrey Simmons confirmed to Arkansas State Police investigators that Kevin Jones and Ryan Whiteside were in the room while Simmons had sex with the accuser, according to the Jan. 12 letter written by Gibbons, “there is no evidence at all Ryan Whiteside or Kevin Jones, both of whom were also mentioned in the initial incident report, had any sexual contact with the complainant at any time during the 28th and 29th of December.”
The alleged incident occurred in Whiteside’s North Greenwich home.
Jones is accused of murdering Nona Dirksmeyer on Dec. 15, 2005. Whiteside is expected to testify at Jones’ trial, which is scheduled to begin July 9. "

[hawgustusgloop]

Hi! This is my first reply, but I've been reading this forum for quite a long time. I live in Dover, but I'm not from there. I get the Russellville Courier as well as the Dover Times. There is a small article in the Courier today entitled "Clarification" about the rape charges involving Jones, Whiteside, and Jeff Simmons. It states that Simmons confirmed that Jones and Whiteside were both in the room during the sexual encounter, but states they weren't involved in the encounter. Gibbons states that "there is no evidence at all that Whiteside or Jones had any sexual contact with the complaintant at any time during the 28th and 29th of December."
Isn't it nice to know that "good ole' boys," "upstanding citizens of a small-town community" sit in rooms and watch while others are having sex. Say what you will, but guilty of murder or not, that is sick. When I say that, I mean it towards all 3 boys involved.

Jonikay, welcome!
Thank you for posting this clarification. I think everyone who is following this case who lives elsewhere really appreciates information from locals that we may not find on the Courier's website.

[hawgustusgloop]

Thanks, lemon. Ok, so no one in LE thinks it's a little odd that this underage girl who was supplied alcohol, and maybe drugs, wasn't out of it to the point that she no longer had the capacity to consent? Come on, guys, that's rape. Oh, and I guess it's the norm for a sober, consenting, young girl to say, "Oh, yeah, bring your friends in to watch, the more the merrier!". This is just beyond the pale of reason. It's disgusting, depraved and indicative of just the caliber of people involved in Nona's murder.:flamemad:

It's sick. Help me make sense of this because I can't quite figure it out: Does the clarification printed in the Courier make Jones/Whiteside look better or worse? I don't think the newspaper would print a clarification just because they went back and realized they did not put that part in. So, someone likely requested that they print it. If so, then who? Does it make them look better, as in it seems they didn't have sex with the accuser? Or does it make them look worse because IMO it practically confirms they were in the room and seemingly discounts the possibility that the accuser made the whole thing up?

[FDInLaw]

that piece
was on the left-hand
column with the weather...
so it might not make it online...
here it is:
"In the Jan. 14 article regarding 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbon’s decision not to file charges in an alleged rape that occurred Dec. 28, one part of the accuser’s allegations was not addressed.
Although suspect Jeffrey Simmons confirmed to Arkansas State Police investigators that Kevin Jones and Ryan Whiteside were in the room while Simmons had sex with the accuser, according to the Jan. 12 letter written by Gibbons, “there is no evidence at all Ryan Whiteside or Kevin Jones, both of whom were also mentioned in the initial incident report, had any sexual contact with the complainant at any time during the 28th and 29th of December.”
The alleged incident occurred in Whiteside’s North Greenwich home.
Jones is accused of murdering Nona Dirksmeyer on Dec. 15, 2005. Whiteside is expected to testify at Jones’ trial, which is scheduled to begin July 9. "

Thank you for taking the time to type and post this! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Thanks, lemon. Ok, so no one in LE thinks it's a little odd that this underage girl who was supplied alcohol, and maybe drugs, wasn't out of it to the point that she no longer had the capacity to consent? Come on, guys, that's rape. Oh, and I guess it's the norm for a sober, consenting, young girl to say, "Oh, yeah, bring your friends in to watch, the more the merrier!". This is just beyond the pale of reason. It's disgusting, depraved and indicative of just the caliber of people involved in Nona's murder.:flamemad:



Excellent post. What more can be said?

[jonikay]

I will keep the forum as up-to-date as I can with all of this mess. There isn't much on here about the Dover Chronicle. Does anyone read it? It hasn't had anything about the case, but after the coninuance was filed, they printed a pretty detailed article about the reasons behind the continuance. I don't recall having read about any of this on the forum, but if it has been posted, just dismiss this post. The DC stated that the defense requested certain evidence (such as the cell phone, which was at the crime scene, but missing a battery) several times and were never able to get it. The team finally went to the RPD requesting the cell phone and the sim card ( looking for any evidence of a third party -- possibly DNA on the phone itself). The department, without consent of the defense or prosecution, gave Nona's phone to Duane Dipert, step-dad, to use for his personal use over the course of about 2 months. When they got the phone back, all info was erased from the sim card (it didn't insinuate that Dipert erased it, just that the info was gone). Because of the tampering with such an important piece of evidence, the defense asked that the charges be dismissed. Another key thing mentioned in the article has to do with the partial fingerprint on the light bulb. The article states that Bacon (a detective, i think) wrote that the blood on the bulb "had a consistency of tacky." The defense performed an experiment and stated that the print had to get on the bulb at the time that Nona's body was discovered around 730, not around the time of her death around 11ish. Jones did state, however, that he did not touch anything except her body and a greeting card when he got to her house that night. Whiteside even agreed that Jones didn't touch anything. With all of this coming to light about a week before the trial was set to begin, Gibbons asked for a continuance. Also, this is just a rumor, I have heard that the investigators had been searching for the clothes Kevin was wearing on that day and found them about three days after Nona's death at Salvation Army. That is just a rumor, but I have heard it several times down in my neck of the woods.

[al38]

Jeff Simmons' family wrote a letter to the editor, which was posted in the Dover Times yesterday. I will share it here for anyone who may be interested.
Dear Editor,
False allegations against another is a serious matter. I have learned these last few weeks how serious it can become, when for whatever reasons, rumors, accusations, and falsehoods spin out of control innocent people get hurt.
I am thankful the justice system worked for us, and when armed with the truth, one would hope truth would prevail.
There is no need to repeat any of the falsehoods here; there are too many versions distributed to put the toothpaste back in the tube... but i will say this: being falsely accused of a serious crime, or any crime is a serious matter. It places a burden on the system and more importantly, a burden on others who may have legitimate claims of being harmed. This is no joking matter. This has been devastating to our family, particularly to my son, who has not and did not cause harm to anyone.
As a family, we would like to thank all of the many friends, acquaintances, and others who have supported us, and who also feel victimized. You are a blessing!
The Simmons family

Obviously, these people feel thier kid did nothing wrong. What about the drug that was put in the victims water? Does the Simmons family see nothing wrong with that? Underage drinking?
I think Pope county needs a new prosecuting attorney, as ours finds nothing wrong with putting extasy in someones water, underage drinking, and I still belive- rape.

[FDInLaw]

I will keep the forum as up-to-date as I can with all of this mess. There isn't much on here about the Dover Chronicle. Does anyone read it? It hasn't had anything about the case, but after the coninuance was filed, they printed a pretty detailed article about the reasons behind the continuance. I don't recall having read about any of this on the forum, but if it has been posted, just dismiss this post. The DC stated that the defense requested certain evidence (such as the cell phone, which was at the crime scene, but missing a battery) several times and were never able to get it. The team finally went to the RPD requesting the cell phone and the sim card ( looking for any evidence of a third party -- possibly DNA on the phone itself). The department, without consent of the defense or prosecution, gave Nona's phone to Duane Dipert, step-dad, to use for his personal use over the course of about 2 months. When they got the phone back, all info was erased from the sim card (it didn't insinuate that Dipert erased it, just that the info was gone). Because of the tampering with such an important piece of evidence, the defense asked that the charges be dismissed. Another key thing mentioned in the article has to do with the partial fingerprint on the light bulb. The article states that Bacon (a detective, i think) wrote that the blood on the bulb "had a consistency of tacky." The defense performed an experiment and stated that the print had to get on the bulb at the time that Nona's body was discovered around 730, not around the time of her death around 11ish. Jones did state, however, that he did not touch anything except her body and a greeting card when he got to her house that night. Whiteside even agreed that Jones didn't touch anything. With all of this coming to light about a week before the trial was set to begin, Gibbons asked for a continuance. Also, this is just a rumor, I have heard that the investigators had been searching for the clothes Kevin was wearing on that day and found them about three days after Nona's death at Salvation Army. That is just a rumor, but I have heard it several times down in my neck of the woods.


Thanks a bunch for the info! The Dover paper has been really quiet about this case. . . which is odd IMO.

I'm curious as to why the Courier did not report all this information. Guess it's time for a little investigating!
:cool:

[jonikay]

Watch out, everyone! It's a plague! The "good ole boy" syndrome is running rampant in the county of Pope. Fathers, quarantine your daughters and make sure you know what's in their water!

[FDInLaw]

Watch out, everyone! It's a plague! The "good ole boy" syndrome is running rampant in the county of Pope. Fathers, quarantine your daughters and make sure you know what's in their water! Please check your private messages! :seeya:

[al38]

al38,

I'm so glad to see you posting. You know, I find the family's letter a little interesting. My goodness, it could have been written as a commentary as opposed to a "look what's happened to my family", IMO. It also seems like a little CYA. I would expect nothing more from these folks. I think you are correct. It does appear as though providing an underage female with alcohol, and possibly drugs, having sex with her in front of an audience if okay. Just don't say anything about the character of those involved because it's irrelevant???? OMG, what is going on in Pope county. JMHO.

I will tell you what is going on in the county of Pope. We are neck deep in idiots. IMO
Why do these people get away with all of this? I just don't get it.
And these parents who stick by thier kids like this, well, do they just keep their heads in the sand forever, or do they ever come up for air?

[lemoncello]

Thanks a bunch for the info! The Dover paper has been really quiet about this case. . . which is odd IMO.

I'm curious as to why the Courier did not report all this information. Guess it's time for a little investigating!
:cool:

my guess is...
the courier put 2 and 2
together...
came up with 5...
decided not to be
a total pawn of the defense...
(unlike the dover paper, which
seems pro-kj)...
and printed enough for people
to know what was happening...
but not so much detail that it
layed out the defense's case
for them...
i've always wondered why
a defense that asked for
a gag order
would be so specific
in their filings of public docs...
esp. compared to prosecuors
filings...which are basically just
lists...
i imgaine the courier has to weigh
all of the motives for why people
on both sides do what they do...
it must be hard to strike a balance...
not saying they are always successful...
but i wouldnt want that job, fo sho...

[lemoncello]

Thank you for taking the time to type and post this! :seeya:

u are welcome :)

[FDInLaw]

my guess is...
the courier put 2 and 2
together...
came up with 5...
decided not to be
a total pawn of the defense...
(unlike the dover paper, which
seems pro-kj)...
and printed enough for people
to know what was happening...
but not so much detail that it
layed out the defense's case
for them...
i've always wondered why
a defense that asked for
a gag order
would be so specific
in their filings of public docs...
esp. compared to prosecuors
filings...which are basically just
lists...
i imgaine the courier has to weigh
all of the motives for why people
on both sides do what they do...
it must be hard to strike a balance...
not saying they are always successful...
but i wouldnt want that job, fo sho... You might just have something here. It's "funny" how little reporting the Dover Times has done till now.
:cool:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks so much for posting the information from the Dover Times; I hadn't read that in the Courier or ArDemGaz. Wonder why. Can anyone tell me why RPD would loan Mr. Dipert an important article of evidence in a murder trial?? :confused: This seems unusual to say the least. The chain of evidence re: the cellphone has been niggling at me ever since the continance. Why didn't the Courier report the details? Obviously, the information was available to the Times.

Don't have a clue what the purpose of "The Clarification" in the Courier was all about. :confused: again!

um, the Simmons Family has a lot of gall to try and paint their little boy as a victim in this mess. Just sayin.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks so much for posting the information from the Dover Times; I hadn't read that in the Courier or ArDemGaz. Wonder why. Can anyone tell me why RPD would loan Mr. Dipert an important article of evidence in a murder trial?? :confused: This seems unusual to say the least. The chain of evidence re: the cellphone has been niggling at me ever since the continance. Why didn't the Courier report the details? Obviously, the information was available to the Times.

Don't have a clue what the purpose of "The Clarification" in the Courier was all about. :confused: again!

um, the Simmons Family has a lot of gall to try and paint their little boy as a victim in this mess. Just sayin. Where the Dover Times got all that information is the question. Can any of you local folks call the Dover Times and ask what/who their sources were? Can anyone stop by the courthouse and get a copy of the recent filings? It would be interesting to see if all that info was filed or not.

I'm with you, Loretta. . . I'm sick in tired of the "my son is a victim" dribble. Is there anything these kids could do that would cause their parents shame? Wake up folks!

[FDInLaw]

For those of you following Nina Ingram's case, this was posted by nina's cousin earlier today:

"I just wanted to let you know that there will be a report coming out about Nina, hopefully soon on the ABC affiliate there. One of the reporters is gathering information to share the story to help raise awareness about the case. I hope they play it all over the state and not just there in Fayetteville. Her birthday in October was difficult, but we keep hope that her killer will be found soon."

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=267824

For those of you not familiar with the case, Nina was murdered this past April in Fayetteville AR and no arrest has been made yet.

[lorettalockhorn]

Where the Dover Times got all that information is the question. Can any of you local folks call the Dover Times and ask what/who their sources were? Can anyone stop by the courthouse and get a copy of the recent filings? It would be interesting to see if all that info was filed or not.

I'm with you, Loretta. . . I'm sick in tired of the "my son is a victim" dribble. Is there anything these kids could do that would cause their parents shame? Wake up folks!


Hey FD, I'm going to assume (and hope that it doesn't get me into trouble) that the Dover Times got the information from court documents since any other discussion of the case by people in the know would be disallowed due to the gag order.

[FDInLaw]

Hey FD, I'm going to assume (and hope that it doesn't get me into trouble) that the Dover Times got the information from court documents since any other discussion of the case by people in the know would be disallowed due to the gag order. That should be a safe assumption. . . what editor in their right mind would intentionally violate the gag order and make a spectacle of themselves for their rivals to report? However, I would like to have the source of the information verified for several reasons. The most glaring. . . why didn't the Courier report this information? They certainly have offered the most thorough coverage so far. Also, it concerns me that the Dover Times has not done much reporting to this point and it is rumored to have close ties with the Jones family. I fully expect to find that the defense team has once again laid out more detail than normal in their own shady attempt to get around the gag order, but to be honest, I just don't trust newspapers in general. I don't feel comfortable just assuming and want to know for sure. MOO

[lemoncello]

That should be a safe assumption. . . what editor in their right mind would intentionally violate the gag order and make a spectacle of themselves for their rivals to report? However, I would like to have the source of the information verified for several reasons. The most glaring. . . why didn't the Courier report this information? They certainly have offered the most thorough coverage so far. Also, it concerns me that the Dover Times has not done much reporting to this point and it is rumored to have close ties with the Jones family. I fully expect to find that the defense team has once again laid out more detail than normal in their own shady attempt to get around the gag order, but to be honest, I just don't trust newspapers in general. I don't feel comfortable just assuming and want to know for sure. MOO

what the dover paper said
is quoted from the two motions
the defense filed around the time
of the continuance...
i took a peek at the docs
this morning...
i was surprised by how
much infor about evidence
the defense put in their
documents...
it's suspicious, especially since
they asked for the gag order...
i still think the paper's not
fully taking the defense's bait
they're throwing out in the docs...
if they didn't want this infor out
they could ask for the file to be sealed...
the prosecutors filings are in no way
as detailed...
also, the whitesides paid at
least one visit to the paper...
i think they are the reason
for the clarifiction...
they prolly wanted the paper
to just quote the prosecutor's letter
about no evidence against their boy...

[lemoncello]

maybe the courier
has their own agenda...
namely to report as much
as they can about the case...
but not so much that
the defense or the prosecution
can use it against them
to argue for change of venue....
it would cost them plenty
(hotel rooms, mileage, resources)
to have to cover the trial
in ozark or clarksville...
i think the dover times has a
circ of about 10 (im being facetious)
but the courier has a broader reach
and they will be the first ones blamed...
for tainting the jury pool...
the defense has burned them once
with the gag order...
maybe they are trying to keep them
from getting the file sealed and the
venue changed...
just an opinion

[FDInLaw]

what the dover paper said
is quoted from the two motions
the defense filed around the time
of the continuance...
i took a peek at the docs
this morning...
i was surprised by how
much infor about evidence
the defense put in their
documents...
it's suspicious, especially since
they asked for the gag order...
i still think the paper's not
fully taking the defense's bait
they're throwing out in the docs...
if they didn't want this infor out
they could ask for the file to be sealed...
the prosecutors filings are in no way
as detailed...
also, the whitesides paid at
least one visit to the paper...
i think they are the reason
for the clarifiction...
they prolly wanted the paper
to just quote the prosecutor's letter
about no evidence against their boy...
Thanks for the info! I should get a chance to see the documents myself soon, but I appreciate you posting what you read. It truly amazes me how much information the defense puts in their filings!

[jonikay]

The article in the Dover Times was written by Elizabeth Brown. I'm not quite sure who she is, but I think she's a regular in that particular paper. I don't know if she writes for the Courier or not.
It is official, Jones Station has been sold. The sign originally read "opening soon under new management." Many people thought the Jones were just leasing it and I guess the buyers were approached with questions about it because now it says "opening soon under new ownership***" The asking price was about $265,000. I think their home was or is for sale as well. I can't imagine how expensive this has been for the Jones family and Janice is only a teacher.:shrug:

[FDInLaw]

Yes, this is true. My oldest brother died in a car wreck when he was 21 and I was 12. My father was murdered when I was almost 3. My mother has often said both were hard and extremely painful, but the loss of a child was the most devestating, unnatural thing she ever went through. Only time will help, but I am afraind the void will never be filled. Your family has experienced more loss than one should have to bare. . . I'm so sorry!

For your Father

:rose:

For your Brother

:rose:

For your Mother & You!

:rose:

God Bless ~ FD

[Amy]

what the dover paper said
is quoted from the two motions
the defense filed around the time
of the continuance...
i took a peek at the docs
this morning...
i was surprised by how
much infor about evidence
the defense put in their
documents...
it's suspicious, especially since
they asked for the gag order...
i still think the paper's not
fully taking the defense's bait
they're throwing out in the docs...
if they didn't want this infor out
they could ask for the file to be sealed...
the prosecutors filings are in no way
as detailed...
also, the whitesides paid at
least one visit to the paper...
i think they are the reason
for the clarifiction...
they prolly wanted the paper
to just quote the prosecutor's letter
about no evidence against their boy...


Suspicious about the amount of info from the defense put into the docs, all right. Especially since THEY were the ones to ask for the gag order. Guess maybe the gag order backfired on them?

They would not be the first defense team to do this. In one other case, the friends and relatives of the defendant went to TV (and so was also reported in newspapers) and I truely believe they were put up to it by the defense att. who was bound by the gag order, and was bustin' a gut.

[lemoncello]

im sorry for your loss kg...
hope your mom has found
some measure of happiness...

as to the rape case...
the sense i get from living
here is that rapes of women
dont get much attention paid
to them if youre some1
LE doesnt deem worthy...
case in point the school
bus sex assault that happened
here in Oct...
charges were filed against
the boys because of a
state police investigation...
but the RPD school resource officer
didnt even bother to file a report...
and the interim police chief said
nothing seriously criminal happened...
the couriers archives are down
but i encourage you to do a search
for it... the articles will make your hair
stand on end...
the school and the RPD try their best
to tear down the girls mother becasue
she dared complain...
but THREE mandatory reporters
failed to notify the child abuse hotline
immediately...
they broke the law...
and the prosecutor didnt
file charges against them...
just said its a miscomunication....
i dont believe gibbons
is that great of a prosecutor...
theres too many whispers about him
not filing charges and possible corruption...
stuff heard long before kj came on the scene...
JMHO

[Amy]

im sorry for your loss kg...
hope your mom has found
some measure of happiness...

as to the rape case...
the sense i get from living
here is that rapes of women
dont get much attention paid
to them if youre some1
LE doesnt deem worthy...
case in point the school
bus sex assault that happened
here in Oct...
charges were filed against
the boys because of a
state police investigation...
but the RPD school resource officer
didnt even bother to file a report...
and the interim police chief said
nothing seriously criminal happened...
the couriers archives are down
but i encourage you to do a search
for it... the articles will make your hair
stand on end...
the school and the RPD try their best
to tear down the girls mother becasue
she dared complain...
but THREE mandatory reporters
failed to notify the child abuse hotline
immediately...
they broke the law...
and the prosecutor didnt
file charges against them...
just said its a miscomunication....
i dont believe gibbons
is that great of a prosecutor...
theres too many whispers about him
not filing charges and possible corruption...
stuff heard long before kj came on the scene...
JMHO

I have only read what was posted here (a link to an article maybe?) about the school situation.

There should have been a report from each and every one--the officer the incident was reported to, the principal/administrator, the school resource officer. None of them should have assumed that the other was going to make the call. I don't think any of them should get off scot free for "miscommunication."

I also don't think the mother should have had to have been the squeaky wheel to have the matter pursued...it should have been investigated at the onset. It's not just a little incident--the boys who did this, if they get away with it, will just figure it's all okay, and continue to do what they want. They need to find out the hard way about what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry for your loss, kg. I hope that in time your family's pain will be eased.

With regard to today's youth having a different view of the world; while that might be true, I'm not sure what interracial relationships or gay/lesbian/transgender/etc. relationships have to do with the case of the alleged rape. Regardless of what happened, underage drinking (and maybe drugs) was/were involved and no one is being held accountable. It doesn't sound like the girls' clothing or the bedding was tested for multiple body fluids, nor does is sound like the girl herself was tested for drugs. I guess we'll never really know what happened except that those boys just either weren't taught right from wrong or just don't give a damn about acting like responsible adults. OR maybe they think that they are above the law. Children need guidance no matter what races or sexes are involved with each other, for pity's sake!

I think that I've lost some faith in RPD and Gibbons over the last year or so; the school bus incident being part of the reason. If the idiot bus driver (THE FIRST MANDATED REPORTER to be notified!!!) had called the Child Abuse Hotline, things would have been a lot different for this girl and her family.

[Results]

Is all this true about rapes in that area? You are local can you tell us anything? Is this going to lead to reasonable doubt? Prosecutors corrupt? No trial yet and KJ is walking around because the fault of the DA? It looks like he is going to walk away from this. JMHO

[FDInLaw]

Is all this true about rapes in that area? You are local can you tell us anything? Is this going to lead to reasonable doubt? Prosecutors corrupt? No trial yet and KJ is walking around because the fault of the DA? It looks like he is going to walk away from this. JMHO Like many, I am infuriated by what happened at Ryan Whiteside's residence, but all emotion aside. . . you have a girl that does not remember anything, a boy that admits to having sex with her, she calls and jokes with him about it, there is no physical evidence that the other guys there had sex with her (at least to my knowledge), AND most importantly, Chelsea Huckabay's testimony is not constant with what the cousin claims (I personally wonder if Chelsea changed her story, but this is mere speculation). All that said, what else was Gibbon's suppose to do? The situation angers me, but I do not see any corruption on the part of the LE or prosecutor. I do wish there was more that could be done. Regarding the school bus incident, I really don't know what happened there. . . I live a few hours from the area and there are other folks on here that would be more in the know.

Regarding the State's case against Kevin. . . yes, the RPD is going to take some heat. The question is, will that cause reasonable doubt? In the case of the cell phone. . . the phone was analyzed by the state crime lab, the evidence is in tact. The RPD may have made a procedural error by returning the phone to the family, but the evidence is still in tact. If the record of calls made by Kevin to Nona are the same on his phone and hers. . . how can they be disputed? The plain truth is, as stated in the probable cause statement, the phone records contradict Kevin's statements and could cause a jury to conclude that Kevin was lying, this hurts his credibility and is obviously something the defense will do their best to avoid. Are they going to pull this stunt off? My bet is that the judge will see through all this. I'm not ready to lose heart just yet. MOO

[Results]

Thank you for you answers. I asked you only because I believe you to tell the truth no matter what. Thank you again and don't ever stop fighting for Justice for Nona...you have done a good job. I would think they have alot more evidence then the phone. I hate to call a bluff about rape but something seems to be not adding up here with this rape thing. It would be terrible if it effected KJ's case. Keep us posted, FD! JMHO

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for you answers. I asked you only because I believe you to tell the truth no matter what. Thank you again and don't ever stop fighting for Justice for Nona...you have done a good job. I would think they have alot more evidence then the phone. I hate to call a bluff about rape but something seems to be not adding up here with this rape thing. It would be terrible if it effected KJ's case. Keep us posted, FD! JMHO Thanks for the vote of confidence, but please don't take everything I post at face value. . . I am struggling with a strong personal bias just like everyone else!

:seeya:

[lemoncello]

if any1 is
interested...
here are links
to the school bus
assault stories...
in order as they ran...
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13321&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13320&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13325&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13342&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13355&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13551&Search=assault
also, the reported interviewed a
rape counselor for a related story...
food for thought...
dont know if it might apply
to the incident at whitesides house...
"When victims do report an incident, they are sometimes unwilling or unable to give authorities much detail about what happened.
“Sexual ASSAULT is something very humiliating and embarrassing for the victim,” she said. “Right when it happens, the victim is in a state of shock and disbelief. They are really traumatized and may have blocked some information out.”
Victims may not remember details of the event for several days, she said, so it’s important authorities — like school officials — who don’t deal with sexual ASSAULT victims on a regular basis be aware new information may emerge that reveals a more serious incident than first thought.
“In my experience, you have to follow the [investigation] protocol until you get to a dead end,” she said. “Every person the victim comes in contact with has an impact on the entire recovery process, from law enforcement to family members.”
link to full article here...
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13396&Search=assault

[FDInLaw]

if any1 is
interested...
here are links
to the school bus
assault stories...
in order as they ran...
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13321&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13320&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13325&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13342&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13355&Search=assault
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13551&Search=assault
also, the reported interviewed a
rape counselor for a related story...
food for thought...
dont know if it might apply
to the incident at whitesides house...
"When victims do report an incident, they are sometimes unwilling or unable to give authorities much detail about what happened.
“Sexual ASSAULT is something very humiliating and embarrassing for the victim,” she said. “Right when it happens, the victim is in a state of shock and disbelief. They are really traumatized and may have blocked some information out.”
Victims may not remember details of the event for several days, she said, so it’s important authorities — like school officials — who don’t deal with sexual ASSAULT victims on a regular basis be aware new information may emerge that reveals a more serious incident than first thought.
“In my experience, you have to follow the [investigation] protocol until you get to a dead end,” she said. “Every person the victim comes in contact with has an impact on the entire recovery process, from law enforcement to family members.”
link to full article here...
http://64.233.129.31/archived_story.php?ID=13396&Search=assault Thank you for posting the links. What a heartbreaking situation!

For the girl and her family. . .

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[lemoncello]

Good afternoon, lemoncello,

My, you have been busy. :) Was there anything in yesterday's newspaper about either the rape or Nona's case?

TIA,
Merrick

no, there wasn't
anything this weekend...
there was another
killing early last week...
a shooting, very sad...
and that seems to be
the focus right now...

[FDInLaw]

Thanks. Was the shooting in Russellville?

Here's a link from the Courier:

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=13562&Search=shooting

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for the link. Charming story.:mad:

The Courier must have just up-dated. . . here is a story and picture of the victim:
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13589


For Coady and his loved ones. . .

:rose: :rose:

[FDInLaw]

Here's a quote from another site:

"Police Chief Tom McMillen said several people were in the room and saw the shooting and investigators are working to determine exactly what happened."

http://www.fox16.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=37081b10-5b9d-45eb-8b4a-6840b5d9f25a&rss=316

[sassyone]

Like many, I am infuriated by what happened at Ryan Whiteside's residence, but all emotion aside. . . you have a girl that does not remember anything, a boy that admits to having sex with her, she calls and jokes with him about it, there is no physical evidence that the other guys there had sex with her (at least to my knowledge), AND most importantly, Chelsea Huckabay's testimony is not constant with what the cousin claims (I personally wonder if Chelsea changed her story, but this is mere speculation). All that said, what else was Gibbon's suppose to do? The situation angers me, but I do not see any corruption on the part of the LE or prosecutor. I do wish there was more that could be done. Regarding the school bus incident, I really don't know what happened there. . . I live a few hours from the area and there are other folks on here that would be more in the know.

Regarding the State's case against Kevin. . . yes, the RPD is going to take some heat. The question is, will that cause reasonable doubt? In the case of the cell phone. . . the phone was analyzed by the state crime lab, the evidence is in tact. The RPD may have made a procedural error by returning the phone to the family, but the evidence is still in tact. If the record of calls made by Kevin to Nona are the same on his phone and hers. . . how can they be disputed? The plain truth is, as stated in the probable cause statement, the phone records contradict Kevin's statements and could cause a jury to conclude that Kevin was lying, this hurts his credibility and is obviously something the defense will do their best to avoid. Are they going to pull this stunt off? My bet is that the judge will see through all this. I'm not ready to lose heart just yet. MOO
How good is your memory? I make ten to twenty calls a day. What if I needed an alibi because a person I call was brutally murdered, someone I cared about, I might get some times a little screwed up. But thats just me. How would the rest of you do. Let's be honest.

[lorettalockhorn]

Prayers to Coady's family.

With regard to Nona's phone being out of chain of custody, it's just a big enough mistake(IMO) that the defense could try to use it to impeach the credibility of RPD. Don't know if that will be successful, but guess it will depend on what other if any mistakes were made. Agree that the records of the two phones should bear each other out and if they do, then the defense may look petty to harp on the erasure of the SIMS(sp?) card data.

Also agree that most of us wouldn't be able to retrace an entire days activities or phone calls, etc. But if memory serves, KJ was off by two or three hours about trying to reach Nona as well as the time that he spoke to his friend at the gas station/store. Surely between the time that he was interviewed and when he was arrested, he could have remembered more accurately.

[FDInLaw]

Prayers to Coady's family.

With regard to Nona's phone being out of chain of custody, it's just a big enough mistake(IMO) that the defense could try to use it to impeach the credibility of RPD. Don't know if that will be successful, but guess it will depend on what other if any mistakes were made. Agree that the records of the two phones should bear each other out and if they do, then the defense may look petty to harp on the erasure of the SIMS(sp?) card data.

Also agree that most of us wouldn't be able to retrace an entire days activities or phone calls, etc. But if memory serves, KJ was off by two or three hours about trying to reach Nona as well as the time that he spoke to his friend at the gas station/store. Surely between the time that he was interviewed and when he was arrested, he could have remembered more accurately.
You bring up an important point, not only was there a phone call(s) that was never made, but Kevin showed up at the gas station an hour later than he claimed. Sure, it's hard for most of us to remember exactly what we eat yesterday. . . but when there is a string of convenient miss recollections in a case like this a red flag definitely appears! Since the murder most likely took place between 11am and noon, when Kevin actually arrived at the gas station is HUGE. The earlier phone calls would have helped establish that Kevin was worried about Nona all day and had reason to have a friend check on her. Since the phone records show that Kevin did not start calling her till 2pm (when IIRR she was suppose to be in a final and wouldn't have been able to answer) having a friend check on her seems a bit much. Obviously, any one detail can be explained away (Kevin just didn't remember exactly, etc.), but when you put them all together it really doesn't look good IMO. When you take the phone call that was never made and the arrival time at the gas station and add the convenient discovery of the body and Kevin's bizarre behavior there (laying on top of the body and running his hands through the blood "to see how fresh it was" etc.) some serious questions should come to mind. JMO



From the Probable Cause Statement:

"Kevin Jones was interviewed on December 15th and stated that Jones had last seen Nona at her apartment at approximately 00:3 0 on the 15th when he left her apartment and went to Jones’ parent’s home north of Dover to spend the night. He further stated that he called Nona at approximately 01:30 and talked for a few minutes before going to bed. He then stated he had received a text message from Nona at 09:07 on the 15 . He stated that he stayed at his house until 11:45 at which time he left for his parent’s gas station on Hwy 7 South of Dover. He stated he arrived at the station at noon and while there he talked with Blake Walters. Blake Walters was interviewed and stated that he did not see Jones at the Station until 13:00 on the 15th of December. Jones stated in his interview that he first tried to call Nona around 11:00 or 12:OO on the 15th and that Nona’s phone rang and went straight to voice mail. Affiant obtained the cell phone records for Nona’s phone and Jones’ phone and both sets of records show that the first call to Nona’s phone by Jones (after the very early morning call) was at 14:10. After that time Jones made several calls to Nona’s phone to include a text message at 16:28. Affiant obtained Nona’s phone and submitted it to the State Crime Lab for SIM card analysis. The Crime Lab determined that the text message from Jones to Nona at 16:28 read “U ALIVE”."

[FDInLaw]

Sassyone,

Good morning! I know your post was addressed to FDInLaw, but I'd like to comment. KJ claims he called Nona several times because he was concerned as to her whereabouts and she wasn't returning calls, right? That to me would mean that he had a heightened awareness of what he was doing because he was gaging the length of time he hadn't heard from Nona. IMO, he should have, would have been paying attention. Unless, of course, he's lying. JMHO.
Excellent post! Wish I were half as articulate!

:beer:

[optimumprimal78]

All I know is that if I were being accused of what KJ is, and I knew for sure that I was innocent, I would make sure that I got ALL of my facts straight/correct before I went in there and gave any statement. The fact that there are discrepancies should be a concern to him. I feel that if he wanted to present a reliable alibi (which I have yet to see) it would have been done right from the start and you would not have all of these what ifs. I might be wrong but thats my opinion. I also heard that they (Nona and Kevin) would often text "U ALIVE" to each other. Has anyone else heard this? It's kind of an odd thing to be texting don't you think.

[sassyone]

All I know is that if I were being accused of what KJ is, and I knew for sure that I was innocent, I would make sure that I got ALL of my facts straight/correct before I went in there and gave any statement. The fact that there are discrepancies should be a concern to him. I feel that if he wanted to present a reliable alibi (which I have yet to see) it would have been done right from the start and you would not have all of these what ifs. I might be wrong but thats my opinion. I also heard that they (Nona and Kevin) would often text "U ALIVE" to each other. Has anyone else heard this? It's kind of an odd thing to be texting don't you think.

I also think (U ALIVE) is a odd thing to text under normal circumstances. Hearing about it after we find out that a beautiful girl is murdered, that makes it horrid. When my boys were young and I failed to reach them by phone I would always ask ( Are you in jail ) thankfully they never were.

[hawgustusgloop]

I wonder if Kevin (if he's guilty, of course) sent the "U Alive" text message to support some kind of "Nona's depressed/possibly suicidal/I was worried and wanted to check on her" alibi scenario or......

I wonder if he knew he really hurt her but wasn't positive she was dead (maybe he thought he should get the heck out of there ASAP) and wanted to make sure she wasn't awake and ready to identify him as her attacker when he came by with other people.

I posted this awhile back but since there are so many new posters I thought I'd post it again to see if any of you have any opinions on this either way. What do y'all think?

[lorettalockhorn]

Late night greetings y'all!

I've never heard that "U alive" was this couple's catchphrase; maybe the SIMS card will bear that out. But I gotta tell you, if I had a friend that was suicidal and/or depressed, that's probably not the message that I would send. More along the lines of "thinking about you :) " or "atta girl on that final!".

I have a hard time imagining that Kevin could think that Nona would be alive after all that time, I don't think that he left her apartment until he knew that she was dead. Why he would lie about the times of the phone calls and when he talked to his friend is beyond me; I think that his sense of time would have been heightened.

[FKfanMoe]

seems really strange that boyfriends mother and friend went with him..its not as if days had passed and he was unable to get hold of her if he was concerned why didnt he call her mum or check at her school first ? did his mum just give him a lift over there...just seems very odd :confused:

Maybe as an alibi for him to " accidentally" discover her body. In a number of the true crime cases I've read. the murderer, if he or she is close to the victim that the police would call them a suspect, will " cover" themselves by feigning concern for the person and getting someone else to discover the body, or to have others with them when they find the body.

Here's my speculation: Since James was with his buddy recently in a locked room while they sexually assaulted a drugged female, I think James and his friend are a bit too buddy-buddy. Remember that Nona was stabbed AND bludgeoned. Two different methods of attack. I have this feeling in my gut that the two of them were directly involved in Nona's murder. Their lack of empathy and lack of right and wrong when they drugged and attacked the female ( and I DO think they did drug her and rape her) are huge red flashing warning lights in my mind.

I don't know if the police officers investigating this are good at their job or not, and I do have questions about the prosecutor. What actual info we have been told raises more questions in my mind as to what exactly did and did not happen. I do think that James is not that cunning or bright witted, as his " are you alive?" and similar clues leading up to the discovery of her body are sloppy enough to create suspicion. I sure would like to know the personality of his best friend. I don't think that James' mother knew about the murder beforehand.

Like I said this is just my speculation.

Moe