Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't really think Nona would have been involved with that creepy dude, but I guess it is technically possible. I suppose he could have looked/seemed 'normal' if he tried. What I am kind of confused about is how Robbins can be SO SURE they weren't romantically involved. You can't really prove a negative...that they DIDN'T know each other, right? There could be no evidence they were acquainted, but you can't really be sure they never met.

I suppose it's possible; Nona seemed to find the best in people. Like Kevin, for example. She loved him by all accounts, but he may have violent tendencies, and there's the drinking and ooky sleeping arrangements.

I get exactly what you're saying about Robbins' assumption/assurance that Nona didn't know Dunn. How could he know who wasn't in Nona's life?

[TJEddie]

A bit of an update....

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=103421

[lorettalockhorn]

A bit of an update....

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=103421

Well natch capitol murder made it past the spell check. :hat:

Thanks for posting.

[Brown hound]

He would have been a much easier target than KJ I would think

Not when you have already made up your mind who the culprit was...we have all seen the tapes of the RPD "interviewing" Kevin at the time of the murder. Looked like they were set from the beginning to me. Time to start over.

[jeremiads]

Not when you have already made up your mind who the culprit was...we have all seen the tapes of the RPD "interviewing" Kevin at the time of the murder. Looked like they were set from the beginning to me. Time to start over.Have we all the seen the tapes? Or have we seen the cleverly edited and broadcast versions that were put out there to enhance the drama?

Don't make it sound like they were torturing Kevin. That's laughable.

[Brown hound]

Have we all the seen the tapes? Or have we seen the cleverly edited and broadcast versions that were put out there to enhance the drama?

Don't make it sound like they were torturing Kevin. That's laughable.

Were you tortured by a false accusation?????

[Brown hound]

Have we all the seen the tapes? Or have we seen the cleverly edited and broadcast versions that were put out there to enhance the drama?

Don't make it sound like they were torturing Kevin. That's laughable.

Listen, jeremaids, I have your back on this one. A false accusation is the most horrible thing. Having to defend your honor when you have done nothing wrong IS TORTURE. You of all people should know. You were wronged. Period. End of discussion.

[jeremiads]

Listen, jeremaids, I have your back on this one. A false accusation is the most horrible thing. Having to defend your honor when you have done nothing wrong IS TORTURE. You of all people should know. You were wronged. Period. End of discussion.I appreciate that, but it doesn't change what you or I said. I certainly wouldn't liken anything I went through as "torture" or I'd be calling up the news stations myself for interviews, and I wouldn't be turning down the people from 48 Hours and Dateline when they talked to me. Was it and is it still mentally exhausting? Sure, but I'm not a weak enough of a person for it to break me down.

And like I said, that doesn't change anything. Kevin wasn't tortured either in his interview. Seeing him lose control and beat the crap out of a chair on a video doesn't prove it, just like his father throwing a chair in the police station doesn't show anything except maybe a shared violent-under-pressure tendency. (Someone correct me on the Hiram Jones situation, though. I could be wrong on recollecting what that story from the station was the night Jones was arrested.)

[Brown hound]

Jeremaids, Just curious... who are you voting for in the Presidential election?? LOL

[jeremiads]

Jeremaids, Just curious... who are you voting for in the Presidential election?? LOLobama biden 2008 FOR LIFE

i'm fairly liberal so feel free to call me a socialist/communist/other random stereotype because i think it's funny

[lorettalockhorn]

Not when you have already made up your mind who the culprit was...we have all seen the tapes of the RPD "interviewing" Kevin at the time of the murder. Looked like they were set from the beginning to me. Time to start over.

And at some point will we see tapes of Dunn being "interviewed"? And will folks be saying the same about what happened to him?

I swear, the more people go on and on about this travesty that "happened" to Kevin, the less I care. If RPD had had tunnel vision or a hard on or whatever you want to call it for a single person from the beginning; why wasn't it this guy Dunn? And for all I know, his mama and his grammy lied for him and we'll spend hours disdaining them for it, but c'mon. Is it really, really so unclear why people saw Kevin as the perpetrator here?

[Brown hound]

And at some point will we see tapes of Dunn being "interviewed"? And will folks be saying the same about what happened to him?

I swear, the more people go on and on about this travesty that "happened" to Kevin, the less I care. If RPD had had tunnel vision or a hard on or whatever you want to call it for a single person from the beginning; why wasn't it this guy Dunn? And for all I know, his mama and his grammy lied for him and we'll spend hours disdaining them for it, but c'mon. Is it really, really so unclear why people saw Kevin as the perpetrator here?

It is quite alright if you saw Kevin as the perpetrator, as long as you are willing to look at a new perpetrator. Justice is blind....as long as people approach it with their eyes closed.

[jeremiads]

It is quite alright if you saw Kevin as the perpetrator, as long as you are willing to look at a new perpetrator. Justice is blind....as long as people approach it with their eyes closed.Well, for the record, I'm praying that solid evidence is introduced against Dunn that will easily be beyond a reasonable doubt. I will never forgive Kevin's team for their tactics, but at least there would be some real closure.

However, if that evidence doesn't show up...

[Brown hound]

Well, for the record, I'm praying that solid evidence is introduced against Dunn that will easily be beyond a reasonable doubt. I will never forgive Kevin's team for their tactics, but at least there would be some real closure.

However, if that evidence doesn't show up...

I was reading the article on this post of the attack that Dunn did on the girl on the jogging trail to my husband. It chilled me to the bone. A random stranger, an opportunistic weapon (stick, lamp), the cuts on the body, the threat of death.....

[JustCallMeNora]

This whole issue of people not jumping to conclusions and giving the new suspect a "innocent until proven guilty" thing makes me freaking scream! NOT ONE poster on this board was saying that when Kevin was in the sling! Or if it was said it was said with a dangling BUT...

This is the deal - point blank --- gripe all you want
Everyone said that Kevin did it and we all spent countless hours on here spewing our "knowledge" about the case. The problem that everyone is having with this now is that there is a legitimate suspect and NOBODY wants to admit - what if or I WAS WRONG. We are creatures who like to be right and we will not give that up for anything! Think Jon Benet Ramsey!!!!!

If the guy is convicted there will be rash of "Kevin still had something to do with it" posters. Sometimes a square peg will fit in a round hole. Sometimes things are not as crystal as we would believe them to be.

Baby steps people... I know the boards and our minds would probably melt down if we all gave this plausibility within our narrow little minds. So, can we PLEASE just stop with the analyzing of Kevin's every move and just accept that maybe and a BIG TIME maybe we were WRONG!!!!

Good post and for the most part totally agreeable except the part where you basically say that every poster always thought KJ was guilty. Not EVERY poster did think that. But, I do agree that no one on here wants to admit there is a legitimate suspect.

[Brown hound]

"James Evans also resides in the Ingelwood Apartments. He said that he and his wife are both bail bondsmen. He reported that he saw Dirksmeyer's car at her apartment at 8:10 a.m. He said around 2:30 p.m. he was talking to his brother outside the apartment complex. He said her car was in front of her apartment and that he also saw a green SUV. He said he had been to her door earlier in the week when he was inquiring about a dead cat he had found. He reported that Nona answered the door. He told the jurors that he did not see any damage to the door frame earlier in the week."


http://www.atkinschronicle.com/dt1.htm

Nona answered the door.......even though it is argued here that she would NEVER answer the door to a stranger. What if she answered the door to Dunn beacuse she had seen him as a neighbor like the person above??

[JustCallMeNora]

Nona answered the door.......even though it is argued here that she would NEVER answer the door to a stranger. What if she answered the door to Dunn beacuse she had seen him as a neighbor like the person above??

Very good, viable point.

[lorettalockhorn]

It is quite alright if you saw Kevin as the perpetrator, as long as you are willing to look at a new perpetrator. Justice is blind....as long as people approach it with their eyes closed.

Am waiting with bated breath to learn the evidence against Dunn. And specifically about what makes this a capital case. Agree that there could be similarities between Nona's attack and that on the Bona Dea victim. But I've said that before and the slings and arrows still come.

No doubt we all have different thinking processes and the way we logic things are different. What I just don't understand is why it is that people cannot understand other folks think that Kevin made a good prospect. Not just by evidence and possible coincidences, but by his own doing.

Don't know the guy and cannot say that he would or wouldn't have been capable of this crime, but that seems to be the bias of some posters here, and although it's admirable that he has supporters, many have done him a disservice. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Nona answered the door.......even though it is argued here that she would NEVER answer the door to a stranger. What if she answered the door to Dunn beacuse she had seen him as a neighbor like the person above??

Sure, if the guy lived there, she probably did consider him a neighbor rather than a stranger. Maybe he saw the dead cat too.

[ifIwereU]

Am waiting with bated breath to learn the evidence against Dunn. And specifically about what makes this a capital case. Agree that there could be similarities between Nona's attack and that on the Bona Dea victim. But I've said that before and the slings and arrows still come.

No doubt we all have different thinking processes and the way we logic things are different. What I just don't understand is why it is that people cannot understand other folks think that Kevin made a good prospect. Not just by evidence and possible coincidences, but by his own doing.

Don't know the guy and cannot say that he would or wouldn't have been capable of this crime, but that seems to be the bias of some posters here, and although it's admirable that he has supporters, many have done him a disservice. IMO

excellent post...

[upallnight]

excellent post...

Good post L!

[sololobo]

Nona answered the door.......even though it is argued here that she would NEVER answer the door to a stranger. What if she answered the door to Dunn beacuse she had seen him as a neighbor like the person above??


Excellent point. Also, Dunn was on probation before the Bona Dea attack for breaking and entering and burglary. Living in the apt. complex, he may have become aware of an easy and undectable way to break into any of the apts.

I wonder if there were any burglaries at the complex before the murder?

[sololobo]

Am waiting with bated breath to learn the evidence against Dunn. And specifically about what makes this a capital case. Agree that there could be similarities between Nona's attack and that on the Bona Dea victim. But I've said that before and the slings and arrows still come.

No doubt we all have different thinking processes and the way we logic things are different. What I just don't understand is why it is that people cannot understand other folks think that Kevin made a good prospect. Not just by evidence and possible coincidences, but by his own doing.

Don't know the guy and cannot say that he would or wouldn't have been capable of this crime, but that seems to be the bias of some posters here, and although it's admirable that he has supporters, many have done him a disservice. IMO

The only evidence against Kevin was a tacky, bloody print which had to be left after discovery of the body. I'm not aware of any coincidences and his subsequent behavior did not reflect the possibility of him being a killer. It was not out of line with many young males "kicking up their heels". His subsequent behaviors fell within parameters of typical males his age.

[sololobo]

Good post and for the most part totally agreeable except the part where you basically say that every poster always thought KJ was guilty. Not EVERY poster did think that. But, I do agree that no one on here wants to admit there is a legitimate suspect.

Most here believe Dunn is a legitimate suspect...very legitimate. If LE had mentioned him at the beginning as one of their suspects, I bet many here would have thought he was the killer instead of Kevin. Perhaps they are more wary, as it should be, this time around about committing themselves to one suspect. Dunn is innocent until proven guilty. However, I suspect this new investigation may indeed be a "slam dunk".

[sololobo]

I wonder how long the killer was in the apartment? The bathtub was wet 6-8 hours after the murder. The temp inside the apt. was 60 degrees and the furnace was turned off when checked at what time? The outside temp was 39 to 40 degrees. Did Kevin leave the back sliding door open when entering? The 911 operator told them to leave the front door open. With both doors open, how long would it take the inside temp to drop to 60 degrees?

[FDInLaw]

Most here believe Dunn is a legitimate suspect...very legitimate. If LE had mentioned him at the beginning as one of their suspects, I bet many here would have thought he was the killer instead of Kevin. Perhaps they are more wary, as it should be, this time around about committing themselves to one suspect. Dunn is innocent until proven guilty. However, I suspect this new investigation may indeed be a "slam dunk".
Agreed. Dunn is a very legitimate suspect. Back before the trial I stumbled on the Bona Dea article and it chilled me to the bone. I had no idea that he lived a few doors down from Nona. I do hope that the State's case it a slam dunk if Dunn is guilty. . . I just haven't seen it yet.

[LurkerNoMore]

I woke up this morning and my thoughts are with Nona's family, for the roller coaster they must be on, having been told by RPD and the State that Kevin was the one and now the State comes to you again and says (I assume) we were wrong. It's Dunn. So now you've got to reconcile what you've believed about Kevin and your hope that justice and the truth will be served. And what you've believed for so long might not be true... and there's this other guy who's been living free all this time who might have done it? And if he's the one, why didn't the system stop him before? Why didn't the apartment manager run a background check? How did he slip through the cracks time and time again?

[lorettalockhorn]

The only evidence against Kevin was a tacky, bloody print which had to be left after discovery of the body. I'm not aware of any coincidences and his subsequent behavior did not reflect the possibility of him being a killer. It was not out of line with many young males "kicking up their heels". His subsequent behaviors fell within parameters of typical males his age.

Great example of how differently we think. The bloody print was the physical evidence; to others there was plenty of circumstantial evidence. As far as kicking up his heels; if he was my kid, I'd kick his ass up between his shoulder blades. I would honestly love to see some stats on his behavior compared to other typical males. Especially the alleged rape situation and his arrest following the anniversary of Nona's death. Far from typical or healthy in my mind. But hey. I'm a mother. And old.

Most here believe Dunn is a legitimate suspect...very legitimate. If LE had mentioned him at the beginning as one of their suspects, I bet many here would have thought he was the killer instead of Kevin. Perhaps they are more wary, as it should be, this time around about committing themselves to one suspect. Dunn is innocent until proven guilty. However, I suspect this new investigation may indeed be a "slam dunk".

Absolutely Dunn is a legitimate suspect. But surely there is more than the condom wrapper which could have ended up in her apartment at any time in any number of ways. Curious as to why the defense didn't use him for reasonable doubt instead of JM and TY??

[lorettalockhorn]

I woke up this morning and my thoughts are with Nona's family, for the roller coaster they must be on, having been told by RPD and the State that Kevin was the one and now the State comes to you again and says (I assume) we were wrong. It's Dunn. So now you've got to reconcile what you've believed about Kevin and your hope that justice and the truth will be served. And what you've believed for so long might not be true... and there's this other guy who's been living free all this time who might have done it? And if he's the one, why didn't the system stop him before? Why didn't the apartment manager run a background check? How did he slip through the cracks time and time again?

Amen. It's hard to imagine.

[LurkerNoMore]

Curious as to why the defense didn't use him for reasonable doubt instead of JM and TY??

I'm not sure the State ever gave the defense anything on Dunn at all. The State tended to take the position, with the exception of TY, that the info gathered from investigations into third party suspects who they ruled out wasn't discoverable.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not sure the State ever gave the defense anything on Dunn at all. The State tended to take the position, with the exception of TY, that the info gathered from investigations into third party suspects who they ruled out wasn't discoverable.

No information on Dunn? Yet enough information on a much less likely suspect; Jeremy Martin. Enough for him to be mentioned more than once to the press by the defense. Enough for Johnson to publicly state that JM was lying about his relationship with Nona.

Also, I would think that the defense would have done enough investigating on their own to at least have found out that Dunn was a neighbor and do a background check on him.

[hawgustusgloop]

Excellent point. Also, Dunn was on probation before the Bona Dea attack for breaking and entering and burglary. Living in the apt. complex, he may have become aware of an easy and undectable way to break into any of the apts.

I wonder if there were any burglaries at the complex before the murder?

If Dunn is as weird as he seems (mainly based on the Bona Dea attack), I could definitely picture him breaking in to Nona's (or anyone else's) apartment and just going through her things or maybe stealing little things like underwear or random junk the resident might not even miss/wouldn't suspect anyone would bother to break in and steal. So, even if there weren't any reported burglaries, he could have still been breaking in. Maybe Nona had a strange schedule because it was finals week and came home much earlier than Dunn expected while he was poking around upstairs? Maybe he thought at that point he was on parole and had 'no other choice'?

[hawgustusgloop]

The only evidence against Kevin was a tacky, bloody print which had to be left after discovery of the body. I'm not aware of any coincidences and his subsequent behavior did not reflect the possibility of him being a killer. It was not out of line with many young males "kicking up their heels". His subsequent behaviors fell within parameters of typical males his age.

A lot of young men drink and such, but if Kevin didn't kill Nona he is an idiot for lying to the police, and that is how this "happened to him."

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm not sure the State ever gave the defense anything on Dunn at all. The State tended to take the position, with the exception of TY, that the info gathered from investigations into third party suspects who they ruled out wasn't discoverable.

What? Was there some type of ruling on this? Didn't the defense request it? Surely they would want to know who was investigated and how they were cleared to boost their 'tunnel vision' theory. Is this typical in a murder trial?

[Brown hound]

Most here believe Dunn is a legitimate suspect...very legitimate. If LE had mentioned him at the beginning as one of their suspects, I bet many here would have thought he was the killer instead of Kevin. Perhaps they are more wary, as it should be, this time around about committing themselves to one suspect. Dunn is innocent until proven guilty. However, I suspect this new investigation may indeed be a "slam dunk".

You can bet that the investigation was done with a little more attention to detail this time. Who was the lead investigator? Was it from the RPD or state investigators? Does anyone know??

[FDInLaw]

You can bet that the investigation was done with a little more attention to detail this time. Who was the lead investigator? Was it from the RPD or state investigators? Does anyone know??
The RPD was not an active part of this investigation to my knowledge. Stacie Rhodes is with the Arkansas State Police. Check out this article about her:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/181529


Special thanks to the person that sent it to me in the first place. :seeya:

[LurkerNoMore]

What? Was there some type of ruling on this? Didn't the defense request it? Surely they would want to know who was investigated and how they were cleared to boost their 'tunnel vision' theory. Is this typical in a murder trial?

The defense repeatedly requested copies and videos of every interview and polygraph examination - a blanket general request - but these were not provided (some were - clearly not all). The defense did not know who all was questioned and was never given an all-inclusive list. I believe you can review the motions for discovery and find these requests.

I don't think the State is required to turn over information that isn't relevent - and I guess suspects that they've ruled out might fall into this category. There's a string of caselaw over the admission of evidence pointing to third-party guilt - it's not always allowed, but I'm not sure if that means it's not allowed to be provided in discovery.

Of course what is relevant now and what was relevant then is different.

[SaraSidle]

Excellent question! If there is evidence of a relationship that might legitimize the presence of the condom wrapper and suggest that the wrapper could have been there before the murder. However, the fact that the wrapper was found in plain sight just doesn't fit in my mind. Kevin was there the night before and would have easily seen it, right???

Well he could have found it in the garbage as he was throwing something away!!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Hey Lurker! :seeya:

Any thoughts on what we should expect this time? IIRC Dunn was represented by a State appointed attorney last time around. I assume that he will not have a legal team like Kevin's. I imagine that bail will be set much higher (a least I sure hope it is with his violent history and all).

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My thoughts and prayers are with the Bona Dea victim and her loved ones. I can only imagine their disappointment with the sentence Dunn received. This new arrest must be a hard reminder of the injustice. :rose:

[SaraSidle]

wasn't there a palm print on the base of the lamp?

[FDInLaw]

Well he could have found it in the garbage as he was throwing something away!!!!!!!!!

This scenario, and the possibility of a some sort of prior relationship, are two reasons why more physical evidence is needed to link GD to the murder IMO. The condom wrapper is just not enough. It was such a violent encounter. Am I expecting too much??? Should there not be more evidence present? :shrug:

[sweetgranny]

This scenario, and the possibility of a some sort of prior relationship, are two reasons why more physical evidence is needed to link GD to the murder IMO. The condom wrapper is just not enough. It was such a violent encounter. Am I expecting too much??? Should there not be more evidence present? :shrug:

There has to be more evidence than the wrapper. We all thought that Kevin planted the wrapper in the first place. What's to say he still didn't?

[LurkerNoMore]

Hey Lurker! :seeya:

Any thoughts on what we should expect this time? IIRC Dunn was represented by a State appointed attorney last time around. I assume that he will not have a legal team like Kevin's. I imagine that bail will be set much higher (a least I sure hope it is with his violent history and all).


I would not be surprised if someone other than a public defender volunteered to represent Dunn. This would be a great opportunity for an "up and comer" to get instant recognition given the history of the press coverage surrounding the case. You see this sometimes with high-profile cases. Then again, you could have a defense attorney lower his or her fee, short of volunteering, for a chance to work on the case. If a public defender is appointed, it also wouldn't surprise me if two attorneys weren't appointed due to the capital charges.

Bond should be higher than Kevin's for two reasons: prior history and a harsher charge.

[FDInLaw]

There has to be more evidence than the wrapper. We all thought that Kevin planted the wrapper in the first place. What's to say he still didn't?I sure hope there is more evidence, or we will all be going through another trial for nothing and the question of who was responsible will still remain IMO. :(

[LurkerNoMore]

*IF* Dunn did this to Nona, you're going to see many unsolved cases see the light of day and visited anew. *IF* Dunn did this, odds are that he had more than just two victims.

[FDInLaw]

*IF* Dunn did this to Nona, you're going to see many unsolved cases see the light of day and visited anew. *IF* Dunn did this, odds are that he had more than just two victims.There is the unsolved murder case of Nina Ingram up this way in Fayetteville. She was strangled. Do you have any actual cases in mind??? I would like to check them out.

[SaraSidle]

This scenario, and the possibility of a some sort of prior relationship, are two reasons why more physical evidence is needed to link GD to the murder IMO. The condom wrapper is just not enough. It was such a violent encounter. Am I expecting too much??? Should there not be more evidence present? :shrug:

There better be more evidence and more convincing that the evidence at KJ trial. I am going over and over the scene trying to think what that evidence is. IMO

[jeremiads]

Absolutely Dunn is a legitimate suspect. But surely there is more than the condom wrapper which could have ended up in her apartment at any time in any number of ways. Curious as to why the defense didn't use him for reasonable doubt instead of JM and TY??Having evidence turned over didn't really stop them from anything, so they could have easily gone with Dunn because their own investigations of the complex itself would have made it obvious enough.

I say this because, funny enough, Robbins told me on the phone before the trial that I was a mysterious person and the state was withholding information about me. I shed a lot of tears over that one, let me tell you.

So yeah, they didn't give a crap what they had from the state. I think the only thing turned over regarding me that I can remember were e-mails I volunteered myself, and I'm still not sure why those were ever turned over.

[TAT84]

Hey guys,
I have been in St. Louis watching the cardinals play when my boss called me early Friday about the story. If he is convicted and shown to be the real killer than I will be satisfied on behalf of Nona's Case. But for JUST CALL ME NORA to say that Kevin's teams did not use visious tactics against innocent people than you are so wrong. They dragged everyones name thorugh the mud they could. If I ever had the opportunity to take the Jones to court over slander because of the things that they spread and their lawyers spread I would. From what I hear they were telling people that I was sleeping with Nona and that I was this huge drug dealer all because of my past mistakes. I have never even met Nona in my life and for you to get on here and act like Kevin's camp handled this perfectly than you are sorely mistaken. Kevin was involved because it was his girlfriend of the time. That is just bad luck, myself didn't even live in Russellville, know her or even ever talk to her, yet my name was thrown in the mud by his people.
Making things worst was my mother being who she was at the time, making it difficult to do anything in the community without someone saying somehting. SHAME ON YOU NORA!! You need to think al little bit longer than writing those posts.
There were nights where I cried to myself thinking how could people think this of me. And if you think I am going to sit back and let you say they handled it perfectly than your crazy. Maybe he is totally innocent but the way he and his family handled the entire situation was low down and as dirty as they come. (This is all in reference to noras assumption that the Jones family have been so good through all this) I now have to read the rest of these posts. But please don't write flat out lies on here thats what got all those rumors about myself and others started.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey guys,
I have been in St. Louis watching the cardinals play when my boss called me early Friday about the story. If he is convicted and shown to be the real killer than I will be satisfied on behalf of Nona's Case. But for JUST CALL ME NORA to say that Kevin's teams did not use visious tactics against innocent people than you are so wrong. They dragged everyones name thorugh the mud they could. If I ever had the opportunity to take the Jones to court over slander because of the things that they spread and their lawyers spread I would. From what I hear they were telling people that I was sleeping with Nona and that I was this huge drug dealer all because of my past mistakes. I have never even met Nona in my life and for you to get on here and act like Kevin's camp handled this perfectly than you are sorely mistaken. Kevin was involved because it was his girlfriend of the time. That is just bad luck, myself didn't even live in Russellville, know her or even ever talk to her, yet my name was thrown in the mud by his people.
Making things worst was my mother being who she was at the time, making it difficult to do anything in the community without someone saying somehting. SHAME ON YOU NORA!! You need to think al little bit longer than writing those posts.
There were nights where I cried to myself thinking how could people think this of me. And if you think I am going to sit back and let you say they handled it perfectly than your crazy. Maybe he is totally innocent but the way he and his family handled the entire situation was low down and as dirty as they come. (This is all in reference to noras assumption that the Jones family have been so good through all this) I now have to read the rest of these posts. But please don't write flat out lies on here thats what got all those rumors about myself and others started.

That right there might be it all in a nutshell. Funny that Nora says that some of us have no morals, yet so many of Kevin's supporters consider his behavior as typical and as "kicking up his heels". I don't see how the parents of some of these kids can sleep at night.

And ironic that Robbins was threatening to file suit against The Courier over the alleged rape incident, while Johnson was naming Jeremy Martin as the presumed doer and/or fall guy. Of course you having been brought into the fray and that Trey York's signed Miranda form on the evidence list didn't escape plenty of attention.

This case has been mishandled to some degree by just about everyone involved.

RIP Nona.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't see how the parents of some of these kids can sleep at night.


No wait. I take that back. After all, the tree doesn't grow far from the nut.

[FDInLaw]

Hey guys,
I have been in St. Louis watching the cardinals play when my boss called me early Friday about the story. If he is convicted and shown to be the real killer than I will be satisfied on behalf of Nona's Case. But for JUST CALL ME NORA to say that Kevin's teams did not use visious tactics against innocent people than you are so wrong. They dragged everyones name thorugh the mud they could. If I ever had the opportunity to take the Jones to court over slander because of the things that they spread and their lawyers spread I would. From what I hear they were telling people that I was sleeping with Nona and that I was this huge drug dealer all because of my past mistakes. I have never even met Nona in my life and for you to get on here and act like Kevin's camp handled this perfectly than you are sorely mistaken. Kevin was involved because it was his girlfriend of the time. That is just bad luck, myself didn't even live in Russellville, know her or even ever talk to her, yet my name was thrown in the mud by his people.
Making things worst was my mother being who she was at the time, making it difficult to do anything in the community without someone saying somehting. SHAME ON YOU NORA!! You need to think al little bit longer than writing those posts.
There were nights where I cried to myself thinking how could people think this of me. And if you think I am going to sit back and let you say they handled it perfectly than your crazy. Maybe he is totally innocent but the way he and his family handled the entire situation was low down and as dirty as they come. (This is all in reference to noras assumption that the Jones family have been so good through all this) I now have to read the rest of these posts. But please don't write flat out lies on here thats what got all those rumors about myself and others started.
Excellent post. I'm glad you have been open about you experience. I doubt you will make any ground with "Nora". . . she has employed the very tactics you despise under her many nics here and has been banned countless times for her antics. Be on your guard. I doubt she will have a pleasant response for you. If worse gets to worse, there is an ignore feature.

[sweetgranny]

Hey guys,
I have been in St. Louis watching the cardinals play when my boss called me early Friday about the story. If he is convicted and shown to be the real killer than I will be satisfied on behalf of Nona's Case. But for JUST CALL ME NORA to say that Kevin's teams did not use visious tactics against innocent people than you are so wrong. They dragged everyones name thorugh the mud they could. If I ever had the opportunity to take the Jones to court over slander because of the things that they spread and their lawyers spread I would. From what I hear they were telling people that I was sleeping with Nona and that I was this huge drug dealer all because of my past mistakes. I have never even met Nona in my life and for you to get on here and act like Kevin's camp handled this perfectly than you are sorely mistaken. Kevin was involved because it was his girlfriend of the time. That is just bad luck, myself didn't even live in Russellville, know her or even ever talk to her, yet my name was thrown in the mud by his people.
Making things worst was my mother being who she was at the time, making it difficult to do anything in the community without someone saying somehting. SHAME ON YOU NORA!! You need to think al little bit longer than writing those posts.
There were nights where I cried to myself thinking how could people think this of me. And if you think I am going to sit back and let you say they handled it perfectly than your crazy. Maybe he is totally innocent but the way he and his family handled the entire situation was low down and as dirty as they come. (This is all in reference to noras assumption that the Jones family have been so good through all this) I now have to read the rest of these posts. But please don't write flat out lies on here thats what got all those rumors about myself and others started.

I agree completely! Great post. This is "it in a nutshell".:beer:

[SaraSidle]

Excellent post. I'm glad you have been open about you experience. I doubt you will make any ground with "Nora". . . she has employed the very tactics you despise under her many nics here and has been banned countless times for her antics. Be on your guard. I doubt she will have a pleasant response for you. If worse gets to worse, there is an ignore feature.

Wonderful post TAT84. thank you for sharing. I am sorry about what happened to you and your Mother. I hope this brings a new chapter to your life. FDInLaw is so right. I have had Nora on ignore for a long time. IMO

[jeremiads]

Hey guys,
I have been in St. Louis watching the cardinals play when my boss called me early Friday about the story. If he is convicted and shown to be the real killer than I will be satisfied on behalf of Nona's Case. But for JUST CALL ME NORA to say that Kevin's teams did not use visious tactics against innocent people than you are so wrong. They dragged everyones name thorugh the mud they could. If I ever had the opportunity to take the Jones to court over slander because of the things that they spread and their lawyers spread I would. From what I hear they were telling people that I was sleeping with Nona and that I was this huge drug dealer all because of my past mistakes. I have never even met Nona in my life and for you to get on here and act like Kevin's camp handled this perfectly than you are sorely mistaken. Kevin was involved because it was his girlfriend of the time. That is just bad luck, myself didn't even live in Russellville, know her or even ever talk to her, yet my name was thrown in the mud by his people.
Making things worst was my mother being who she was at the time, making it difficult to do anything in the community without someone saying somehting. SHAME ON YOU NORA!! You need to think al little bit longer than writing those posts.
There were nights where I cried to myself thinking how could people think this of me. And if you think I am going to sit back and let you say they handled it perfectly than your crazy. Maybe he is totally innocent but the way he and his family handled the entire situation was low down and as dirty as they come. (This is all in reference to noras assumption that the Jones family have been so good through all this) I now have to read the rest of these posts. But please don't write flat out lies on here thats what got all those rumors about myself and others started.High five for the "screwed by Kevin's team" camp! We're an awesome bunch.

[JR2007]

The defense repeatedly requested copies and videos of every interview and polygraph examination - a blanket general request - but these were not provided (some were - clearly not all). The defense did not know who all was questioned and was never given an all-inclusive list. I believe you can review the motions for discovery and find these requests.

I don't think the State is required to turn over information that isn't relevent - and I guess suspects that they've ruled out might fall into this category. There's a string of caselaw over the admission of evidence pointing to third-party guilt - it's not always allowed, but I'm not sure if that means it's not allowed to be provided in discovery.

Of course what is relevant now and what was relevant then is different.

The state is suppose to provide all information they gather to the defense, without the defense even asking for it. I don't think this happens too often but I'm pretty sure it's the law. I'll look for the reference I read last year on the subject and post it when I find it.

[JR2007]

I've copied a short piece here and the site where it is from. There is a lot of information on this site.

http://www.ricolawblog.com/2008/02/articles/rico-law/discovery-1/rico-and-criminal-discovery/
Constitutional Disclosure
The Constitution requires the prosecution to produce certain evidence material to the defense. The most familiar requirement is the prosecution’s obligation to produce exculpatory evidence. The United States Supreme Court has held that the government’s failure to provide a defendant with exculpatory evidence in its possession violated the defendant’s constitutional rights. This obligation extends to evidence that a defendant can use to impeach the government’s witnesses.

[jeremiads]

The state is suppose to provide all information they gather to the defense, without the defense even asking for it. I don't think this happens too often but I'm pretty sure it's the law. I'll look for the reference I read last year on the subject and post it when I find it.No, there's definitely a limit. They didn't have to turn over anything about me because I had nothing to do with anything, and thank God, because I already felt like my privacy was being breached enough as it was--the defense team getting to poke around would have been a serious ethical problem.

[sololobo]

Hey guys,
I have been in St. Louis watching the cardinals play when my boss called me early Friday about the story. If he is convicted and shown to be the real killer than I will be satisfied on behalf of Nona's Case. But for JUST CALL ME NORA to say that Kevin's teams did not use visious tactics against innocent people than you are so wrong. They dragged everyones name thorugh the mud they could. If I ever had the opportunity to take the Jones to court over slander because of the things that they spread and their lawyers spread I would. From what I hear they were telling people that I was sleeping with Nona and that I was this huge drug dealer all because of my past mistakes. I have never even met Nona in my life and for you to get on here and act like Kevin's camp handled this perfectly than you are sorely mistaken. Kevin was involved because it was his girlfriend of the time. That is just bad luck, myself didn't even live in Russellville, know her or even ever talk to her, yet my name was thrown in the mud by his people.
Making things worst was my mother being who she was at the time, making it difficult to do anything in the community without someone saying somehting. SHAME ON YOU NORA!! You need to think al little bit longer than writing those posts.
There were nights where I cried to myself thinking how could people think this of me. And if you think I am going to sit back and let you say they handled it perfectly than your crazy. Maybe he is totally innocent but the way he and his family handled the entire situation was low down and as dirty as they come. (This is all in reference to noras assumption that the Jones family have been so good through all this) I now have to read the rest of these posts. But please don't write flat out lies on here thats what got all those rumors about myself and others started.

When I first heard the rumors of your involvement, I assumed they originated from your mother's political enemies and dismissed them as such. They certainly tried to get alot of milage attacking the Mayor from your previous run-ins with the law before the murder. Do you know for certain the rumors came from "Kamp Kevin"?

[sololobo]

Great example of how differently we think. The bloody print was the physical evidence; to others there was plenty of circumstantial evidence. As far as kicking up his heels; if he was my kid, I'd kick his ass up between his shoulder blades. I would honestly love to see some stats on his behavior compared to other typical males. Especially the alleged rape situation and his arrest following the anniversary of Nona's death. Far from typical or healthy in my mind. But hey. I'm a mother. And old.



Absolutely Dunn is a legitimate suspect. But surely there is more than the condom wrapper which could have ended up in her apartment at any time in any number of ways. Curious as to why the defense didn't use him for reasonable doubt instead of JM and TY??

Even if he was twenty, twenty-one, or twenty-two? I'm sure he was verbally rebuked by his parents.:)

[sololobo]

If Dunn is as weird as he seems (mainly based on the Bona Dea attack), I could definitely picture him breaking in to Nona's (or anyone else's) apartment and just going through her things or maybe stealing little things like underwear or random junk the resident might not even miss/wouldn't suspect anyone would bother to break in and steal. So, even if there weren't any reported burglaries, he could have still been breaking in. Maybe Nona had a strange schedule because it was finals week and came home much earlier than Dunn expected while he was poking around upstairs? Maybe he thought at that point he was on parole and had 'no other choice'?

Excellent observation.

[sololobo]

That right there might be it all in a nutshell. Funny that Nora says that some of us have no morals, yet so many of Kevin's supporters consider his behavior as typical and as "kicking up his heels". I don't see how the parents of some of these kids can sleep at night.

And ironic that Robbins was threatening to file suit against The Courier over the alleged rape incident, while Johnson was naming Jeremy Martin as the presumed doer and/or fall guy. Of course you having been brought into the fray and that Trey York's signed Miranda form on the evidence list didn't escape plenty of attention.

This case has been mishandled to some degree by just about everyone involved.

RIP Nona.

I hope we are all Nona supporters here.

[TAT84]

Solobo ( hope I spelled that right)
When rumors started going around about me and Nona. It was over a year later since I had been in trouble. People had no right to go after my mother even when I got in trouble. If she had wanted to she could of gotten everything swept under the rug by making one phone call back then, but she has a lot of integrity and told the Judge to treat me no different than someone else and he didn't. Had the privilige of spending 30 days in County Jail, 48 hours Community Service, 6 months suspended license, and 3 years probabtion. So I did not get some slap on the wrist. If I had than I think people have all the right in the world to bash my mother, but that did not happen.
Numerous (People that had heard that Kevins mother told them face to face that I would be arrested once my mother was out of office) people have told me that the Jones Camp started things about me. Why else would my name just pop up in a murder case about someone I didn't know? Second, if there are people that are out there that would throw an innocent kid out there because of his mother's political ties than their just as low as anyone else. Don't get me wrong I hate what happened to a beautiful young lady and realize this is about her, but Jeremiads and myself never had a chance either to protect ourselves. People were attacking us from either side. Its why I no longer live in Russellville and rarely go to visit. I think it is a great place to raise kids but when it comes to gossip and caring more about other peoples business than their selves, Russellville's at the top of the list.

[LurkerNoMore]

No, there's definitely a limit. They didn't have to turn over anything about me because I had nothing to do with anything, and thank God, because I already felt like my privacy was being breached enough as it was--the defense team getting to poke around would have been a serious ethical problem.

It follows in the same line of logic that this why Gary Dunn's interviews, etc. weren't turned over to the defense. The State had deemed them as having nothing to do with the crime.

[LurkerNoMore]

My God - the amount of hurt connected to this case is massive and has impacted so many.

[FDInLaw]

TAT,

Individuals have told you that Janice Jones was making incriminating statements about you? Wow. I must admit that I am a little shocked (and personally would like more confirmation that she did in fact do this). There never was ANY physical or even circumstantial evidence to link you to Nona's death. It's a given that the rumors were started maliciously. Does the Jones family have any reason to come at your family like this? I'm just trying to fill in the blanks.

I've heard that Janice reads this board. Now that her family is in celebration mode and making the most of opportunities to speak out, maybe she will get on here a defend herself?

[lorettalockhorn]

Even if he was twenty, twenty-one, or twenty-two? I'm sure he was verbally rebuked by his parents.:)

How can you be sure of such a thing? And apparently, it did little good if they did. Or maybe his last arrest was really his last arrest.

[lorettalockhorn]

I hope we are all Nona supporters here.

You would think. Yet there have been attacks here on Nona and her family. And to the best of my memory, all by Kevin's supporters.

[Brown hound]

This scenario, and the possibility of a some sort of prior relationship, are two reasons why more physical evidence is needed to link GD to the murder IMO. The condom wrapper is just not enough. It was such a violent encounter. Am I expecting too much??? Should there not be more evidence present? :shrug:

I should think that being clubbed with a large stick would count as a violent encounter as well. Having someone try to snap your neck while screaming "I'll f****** kill you." VIOLENT

[LurkerNoMore]

Think what you will about the defense, but Dunn would not have been arrested if it weren't for the defense pushing for answers following their client's acquittal.

[FDInLaw]

I should think that being clubbed with a large stick would count as a violent encounter as well. Having someone try to snap your neck while screaming "I'll f****** kill you." VIOLENT


Yes, Dunn's criminal history does make a case for him being capable of Nona's murder. My question was regarding actual physical evidence that directly links GD to Nona's death. Finger prints, semen, hair found at the crime scene. There is no doubt that GD's violent past is alarming. Gosh, he clubbed that poor girl on the Bona Dea trail and Nona was hit in the back of the head. . . this similarity is chilling. No argument there.

[FDInLaw]

Think what you will about the defense, but Dunn would not have been arrested if it weren't for the defense pushing for answers following their client's acquittal.
I'm not so sure about this. There was at least one person in LE that pushed for a closer look at Dunn.

[Brown hound]

Solobo ( hope I spelled that right)
When rumors started going around about me and Nona. It was over a year later since I had been in trouble. People had no right to go after my mother even when I got in trouble. If she had wanted to she could of gotten everything swept under the rug by making one phone call back then, but she has a lot of integrity and told the Judge to treat me no different than someone else and he didn't. Had the privilige of spending 30 days in County Jail, 48 hours Community Service, 6 months suspended license, and 3 years probabtion. So I did not get some slap on the wrist. If I had than I think people have all the right in the world to bash my mother, but that did not happen.
Numerous (People that had heard that Kevins mother told them face to face that I would be arrested once my mother was out of office) people have told me that the Jones Camp started things about me. Why else would my name just pop up in a murder case about someone I didn't know? Second, if there are people that are out there that would throw an innocent kid out there because of his mother's political ties than their just as low as anyone else. Don't get me wrong I hate what happened to a beautiful young lady and realize this is about her, but Jeremiads and myself never had a chance either to protect ourselves. People were attacking us from either side. Its why I no longer live in Russellville and rarely go to visit. I think it is a great place to raise kids but when it comes to gossip and caring more about other peoples business than their selves, Russellville's at the top of the list.

Welcome TAT. Even though I am considered by most to be in Kamp Kevin, I can assure you that I STRONGLY defended you every time your name was brought up. I know your family. My husband knows you. You were defended by me to the point that I lost a few friends over it. Please don't hate us all. Are you sure that your name was not leaked by the RPD? That has always been what I was told.

[TJEddie]

I've heard that Janice reads this board. Now that her family is in celebration mode and making the most of opportunities to speak out, maybe she will get on here a defend herself?

I certainly hope not. IMO, the Jones family has shown incredible self restraint throughout this ordeal. When and if they decide to tell their side of the story, I hope it is in a time, manner and place of their own choosing.......and I hope they get paid for it. I'd certainly pay to hear it.

[TJEddie]

I'm not so sure about this. There was at least one person in LE that pushed for a closer look at Dunn.

Pushing and getting are two different things. It was Kevin's defense team that followed through and got the DNA results, with the Jones family paying the tab.

[TJEddie]

TAT,

Individuals have told you that Janice Jones was making incriminating statements about you? Wow. I must admit that I am a little shocked (and personally would like more confirmation that she did in fact do this). There never was ANY physical or even circumstantial evidence to link you to Nona's death. It's a given that the rumors were started maliciously. Does the Jones family have any reason to come at your family like this? I'm just trying to fill in the blanks.



I agree that the rumors were malicious, as rumors and gossip so often are. Perhaps the attempts to pin Janice Jones as the source was malicious as well? With rumors and gossip it's hard to tell. Anyway, TAT, I appreciate your honesty in acknowledging that your sources for pinning this on the Jones family are "from what I hear," "people that had heard'" and "people have told me." Unfortunately, those three are pretty common sources when it comes to rumors and gossip.

[FDInLaw]

Pushing and getting are two different things. It was Kevin's defense team that followed through and got the DNA results, with the Jones family paying the tab.

It was also Kevin's defense team that intentionally used the Dateline & 48 Hours shows to slam the Diperts. . . if you are looking for accolades, you are asking the wrong person. Their game from the start was to cast suspicion on anyone they could with or WITHOUT case. Like others have stated here, I'm not a fan. I really don't know that we own Kevin's defense team anything. I'm sure that they appreciate your kind words though.

A side note: Duane Dipert's dna was ran this last time around and ABSOLUTELY NO physical evidence was found. I don't expect that this will mean much to some. . . it never was about facts to begin with. As lurker stated, a lot of people have been hurt in the process.

The thread that Nora/suga/susieQ started back during the trial has been bumped. It is an excellent place to show support for Kevin and his family, and then maybe we can all get back on track talking about Nona's case here?

[TJEddie]

This is the second time I've seen Kevin's defense team blamed for Dateline's and 48 Hours' portrayal of the case. Can someone explain to me the basis holding them responsible for this? From what I saw, both shows interviewed and aired footage of people from both sides of the fence. While I agree that (IMO) the Diperts came across poorly in their interviews, I don't understand why this is being blamed on Kevin's defense team. Can somebody fill me in here?

[LurkerNoMore]

A judge set a $1 million bond Monday for a man accused in the 2005 killing of an Arkansas beauty queen.

Police arrested 28-year-old Gary Dunn last week on suspicion of capital murder in the death of Nona Dirksmeyer, an Arkansas Tech University student who was found dead in her apartment. Last year, a jury acquitted the original suspect in the case--Dirksmeyer's boyfriend, Kevin Jones.


Dunn faces a September 22nd court appearance, at which he will be appointed a public defender.

An arrest affidavit filed by Arkansas State Police Special Agent Staci Rhoads says a DNA analysis of a condom wrapper found at Dirksmeyer's apartment matched both Dirksmeyer and Dunn. In the affidavit, Rhoads says other evidence at the scene indicated a possible sexual assault, but the report provided no other details.

The affidavit says that Dunn denied knowing Dirksmeyer or ever being inside her apartment. The affidavit says Dunn also provided false information about his whereabouts on the day Dirksmeyer died.

At Monday's hearing, Rhoads described Dunn as having a propensity for lying and said he often moved around and did not hold a full-time job. Rhoads said that Dunn told his probation officer that he worked as a construction worker.

The suspect's mother, Martha Dunn, told reporters that her son was with her at the time of Dirksmeyer's death. Martha Dunn says although her son occasionally told white lies, she never saw him hurt anyone.

[LurkerNoMore]

I've ALWAYS thought there was a sexual assault or an attempt. No evidence of rape doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just a gut feeling on my part - nothing more. I don't have anything to back this up.

[FDInLaw]

This is the second time I've seen Kevin's defense team blamed for Dateline's and 48 Hours' portrayal of the case. Can someone explain to me the basis holding them responsible for this? From what I saw, both shows interviewed and aired footage of people from both sides of the fence. While I agree that (IMO) the Diperts came across poorly in their interviews, I don't understand why this is being blamed on Kevin's defense team. Can somebody fill me in here?
If you watch the dateline show again, one of Kevin's lawyers goes so far as to state that Duane's behavior was "suspicious." Then there is the question of who handed over the crime scene photos, video tapes, etc. My personal bet is on Robbins. I find it disgusting that such material would be released without first warning the victim's Mother that it would be telivized. . . it was quite a shock. Also, not all the nasty remarks that were posted on the Internet were anonymous. Many were made by Kevin's friends. There are some on this very thread.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for the article, Lurker! :seeya:

Been waiting for news.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=d9d71739-5322-494e-9129-600f9025db35&rss=315

[TJEddie]

If you watch the dateline show again, one of Kevin's lawyers goes so far as to state that Duane's behavior was "suspicious." Then there is the question of who handed over the crime scene photos, video tapes, etc. My personal bet is on Robbins. I find it disgusting that such material would be released without first warning the victim's Mother that it would be telivized. . . it was quite a shock. Also, not all the nasty remarks that were posted on the Internet were anonymous. Many were made by Kevin's friends. There are some on this very thread.

Thanks, FD. As I recall, there were plenty of accusatory statements slung around by parties on both sides during those shows. Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought you were implying that Kevin's defense team had some control or sway over how the case was presented by Dateline and 48 Hours. Obviously one statement by one attorney doesn't reflect that. As for who released what and who posts what where on the internet, I guess we're all left to our own best bets on that.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks, FD. As I recall, there were plenty of accusatory statements slung around by parties on both sides during those shows. Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought you were implying that Kevin's defense team had some control or sway over how the case was presented by Dateline and 48 Hours. Obviously one statement by one attorney doesn't reflect that. As for who released what and who posts what where on the internet, I guess we're all left to our own best bets on that.
No, you didn't misunderstand me. I do feel that if the defense supplied the media for the shows, they did have some pull. When Duane and Carol called and asked about where the photos came from, neither show was cooperative. You are right though, it is not a known FACT that the defense used the shows to slam the Diperts. . . it is just my opinion that they did. If someone would like to provide more information about what actually happened, I would be open to hearing another explanation.

As always, a appreciate your respectful dialogue, Eddie. There is a lot of emotion to wade through for many and it helps to be able to talk things out without feeling attacked. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Personally, I hold 48 Hours and Dateline bottom line responsible for what I perceived to be slanted coverage. Obviously, they either didn't take the time to study the case, or simply went with the defense's assertions regarding some "facts". There were plenty of inconsistencies that should not have aired, or should have been addressed.

[jeremiads]

The article about the bond did nothing to make me feel any better about this. The condom wrapper does not make someone a murderer, and the sexual assault angle will be hard to work with considering that nothing forced was found.

On top of it, they're demonizing his character already even further (it didn't need any help) with likening him to some sort of vagrant. It's almost like they want people to not give a crap if this guy gets put away on flimsy at best evidence.

I hope we have solid information on this soon. Call me someone with tunnel vision, but all it will take are some facts to change my mind.

[SaraSidle]

The article about the bond did nothing to make me feel any better about this. The condom wrapper does not make someone a murderer, and the sexual assault angle will be hard to work with considering that nothing forced was found.

On top of it, they're demonizing his character already even further (it didn't need any help) with likening him to some sort of vagrant. It's almost like they want people to not give a crap if this guy gets put away on flimsy at best evidence.

I hope we have solid information on this soon. Call me someone with tunnel vision, but all it will take are some facts to change my mind.

I think many people agree with you. LE looks pretty bad right now. IMO

[Brown hound]

Personally, I hold 48 Hours and Dateline bottom line responsible for what I perceived to be slanted coverage. Obviously, they either didn't take the time to study the case, or simply went with the defense's assertions regarding some "facts". There were plenty of inconsistencies that should not have aired, or should have been addressed.


The verdict was already not guilty. Why would you say "slanted coverage" when they were showing why/how the verdict happened. I wish that we could all get over the last trial and focus on the one we have coming up. Of course they are going to show the defense's side, that team "won" for a lack of a better word.

[Brown hound]

I've ALWAYS thought there was a sexual assault or an attempt. No evidence of rape doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just a gut feeling on my part - nothing more. I don't have anything to back this up.

I have said all along that if there was no sexual assault, then why were her clothes removed? Of course, the "evidence" blew my theory out of the water...

[TJEddie]

On top of it, they're demonizing his character already even further (it didn't need any help) with likening him to some sort of vagrant. It's almost like they want people to not give a crap if this guy gets put away on flimsy at best evidence.



It was a bond hearing. It seems to me that job history, permanence of residence, ties to the community, etc. are pertintent factors in determining flight risk.

[hawgustusgloop]

A judge set a $1 million bond Monday for a man accused in the 2005 killing of an Arkansas beauty queen.

Police arrested 28-year-old Gary Dunn last week on suspicion of capital murder in the death of Nona Dirksmeyer, an Arkansas Tech University student who was found dead in her apartment. Last year, a jury acquitted the original suspect in the case--Dirksmeyer's boyfriend, Kevin Jones.


Dunn faces a September 22nd court appearance, at which he will be appointed a public defender.

An arrest affidavit filed by Arkansas State Police Special Agent Staci Rhoads says a DNA analysis of a condom wrapper found at Dirksmeyer's apartment matched both Dirksmeyer and Dunn. In the affidavit, Rhoads says other evidence at the scene indicated a possible sexual assault, but the report provided no other details.

The affidavit says that Dunn denied knowing Dirksmeyer or ever being inside her apartment. The affidavit says Dunn also provided false information about his whereabouts on the day Dirksmeyer died.

At Monday's hearing, Rhoads described Dunn as having a propensity for lying and said he often moved around and did not hold a full-time job. Rhoads said that Dunn told his probation officer that he worked as a construction worker.

The suspect's mother, Martha Dunn, told reporters that her son was with her at the time of Dirksmeyer's death. Martha Dunn says although her son occasionally told white lies, she never saw him hurt anyone.

Is this true? If so, this is the first time I've read that Nona's DNA was also on the condom wrapper.

[jeremiads]

It was a bond hearing. It seems to me that job history, permanence of residence, ties to the community, etc. are pertintent factors in determining flight risk.That's not how anybody will read it, but yes, you're absolutely right.

[lorettalockhorn]

The verdict was already not guilty. Why would you say "slanted coverage" when they were showing why/how the verdict happened. I wish that we could all get over the last trial and focus on the one we have coming up. Of course they are going to show the defense's side, that team "won" for a lack of a better word.

Why the need for lies and inconsistencies? And if 48 Hours and Dateline are to be taken seriously, shouldn't they do their research and make sure that they don't present lies and inconsistencies as truth?

I know that there are plenty of folks who don't give a rat's patootie whether or not Kevin lies, or is a bona fide, 100%, rather lie than eat super-fabricator. Some do.

Justice for Nona was no where nearly served by 48 Hours nor Dateline.

[hawgustusgloop]

Why the need for lies and inconsistencies? And if 48 Hours and Dateline are to be taken seriously, shouldn't they do their research and make sure that they don't present lies and inconsistencies as truth?

I know that there are plenty of folks who don't give a rat's patootie whether or not Kevin lies, or is a bona fide, 100%, rather lie than eat super-fabricator. Some do.

Justice for Nona was no where nearly served by 48 Hours nor Dateline.

Not at all. It's an interesting 'coincidence' that SO MANY peanut gallery commenters on BOTH sites solved the case for us all by drawing the conclusion that Duane Dipert did it. That is incredibly irresponsible at best.

[LurkerNoMore]

Is this true? If so, this is the first time I've read that Nona's DNA was also on the condom wrapper.

First I've heard of it, too. I guess they did more tests on the wrapper?

[FDInLaw]

Yes, the article is correct from what I've been told. Both Dunn and Nona's dna was found on the condom wrapper.



For me, this makes it a little less likely that the condom wrapper was planted. JMO

[JR2007]

Yes, the article is correct from what I've been told. Both Dunn and Nona's dna was found on the condom wrapper.



For me, this makes it a little less likely that the condom wrapper was planted. JMO

Do you know if the source of Nona's DNA , on the wrapper, was in the form of Blood?

[TJEddie]

An interesting read with a few new tidbits.....

http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles/2008/08/25/ap-state-ar/d92pht282.txt

[TJEddie]

From the PB Commercial article linked above:

"At Jones' trial, a match to DNA evidence from the condom wrapper was not presented. However, a witness from the state Crime Laboratory said a detective using superglue on the wrapper to obtain fingerprints likely contaminated the evidence.

I don't remember it being reported this way. Does anybody know if the condom wrapper had already been superglued before the crime lab people got it?

[sweetgranny]

From the PB Commercial article linked above:

"At Jones' trial, a match to DNA evidence from the condom wrapper was not presented. However, a witness from the state Crime Laboratory said a detective using superglue on the wrapper to obtain fingerprints likely contaminated the evidence.

I don't remember it being reported this way. Does anybody know if the condom wrapper had already been superglued before the crime lab people got it?

and if an expert (this doesn't say expert but I am sure they would have had an "expert"on the stand) said it was contaminated what makes it 'workable' now?

[FDInLaw]

Do you know if the source of Nona's DNA , on the wrapper, was in the form of Blood?Excellent question! I don't know. Sure would make a world of difference in my mind.

[hawgustusgloop]

and if an expert (this doesn't say expert but I am sure they would have had an "expert"on the stand) said it was contaminated what makes it 'workable' now?

I wonder exactly how many tests have been performed, how many times, and by how many different labs, all on this single condom wrapper...anyone want to try to count?

I'm also interested in all the different conclusions drawn.

[beachbum]

I have heard and only heard that Dunn's prints were also on the lamp. I believe I read--just dont have time to find it to post it but it reported that there were other prints on the lamp but they were not Kevin's and possibly they are Dunn's? Anyone else heard this?

[hawgustusgloop]

I have heard and only heard that Dunn's prints were also on the lamp. I believe I read--just dont have time to find it to post it but it reported that there were other prints on the lamp but they were not Kevin's and possibly they are Dunn's? Anyone else heard this?

There were other prints on the lamp. I know some fingerprints were deemed to not be suitable for comparison during the initial investigation. So, I'm going to say something screwy is/was going on if suddenly they can match them up. They would have had easy access to Dunn's fingerprints back then since he was a convicted felon.

[ValleyGirl]

For those who think the DNA via condom or condom wrapper or both is a result of evidence tampering... Will you please explain your theory on how this could have happened? There are several scenarios that I would wager to say that you all are mulling around but I am just curious to know. Don't mention names or anything... I'm just asking how this evidence could have been manufactured.

[JustCallMeNora]

Hey guys,
I have been in St. Louis watching the cardinals play when my boss called me early Friday about the story. If he is convicted and shown to be the real killer than I will be satisfied on behalf of Nona\\\'s Case. But for JUST CALL ME NORA to say that Kevin\\\'s teams did not use visious tactics against innocent people than you are so wrong. They dragged everyones name thorugh the mud they could. If I ever had the opportunity to take the Jones to court over slander because of the things that they spread and their lawyers spread I would. From what I hear they were telling people that I was sleeping with Nona and that I was this huge drug dealer all because of my past mistakes. I have never even met Nona in my life and for you to get on here and act like Kevin\\\'s camp handled this perfectly than you are sorely mistaken. Kevin was involved because it was his girlfriend of the time. That is just bad luck, myself didn\\\'t even live in Russellville, know her or even ever talk to her, yet my name was thrown in the mud by his people.
Making things worst was my mother being who she was at the time, making it difficult to do anything in the community without someone saying somehting. SHAME ON YOU NORA!! You need to think al little bit longer than writing those posts.
There were nights where I cried to myself thinking how could people think this of me. And if you think I am going to sit back and let you say they handled it perfectly than your crazy. Maybe he is totally innocent but the way he and his family handled the entire situation was low down and as dirty as they come. (This is all in reference to noras assumption that the Jones family have been so good through all this) I now have to read the rest of these posts. But please don\\\'t write flat out lies on here thats what got all those rumors about myself and others started.

Dear TAT,
You can shame on me all you like. Simply put, I DO NOT believe that the defense team OR the Jones\' had anything to do with bringing your name into this whole situation. I think in a town full of gossips and in light of your misbehavior along with your Mother\'s position in the town is how your name ended up in the mix. I am sorry for your misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and hope that you have since learned your lessons.
Sincerely,

[JustCallMeNora]

If you watch the dateline show again, one of Kevin\'s lawyers goes so far as to state that Duane\'s behavior was \"suspicious.\" Then there is the question of who handed over the crime scene photos, video tapes, etc. My personal bet is on Robbins. I find it disgusting that such material would be released without first warning the victim\'s Mother that it would be telivized. . . it was quite a shock. Also, not all the nasty remarks that were posted on the Internet were anonymous. Many were made by Kevin\'s friends. There are some on this very thread.

Apparently a lot of people thought it was suspicious, not just one attorney.

[JustCallMeNora]

For those who think the DNA via condom or condom wrapper or both is a result of evidence tampering... Will you please explain your theory on how this could have happened? There are several scenarios that I would wager to say that you all are mulling around but I am just curious to know. Don\'t mention names or anything... I\'m just asking how this evidence could have been manufactured.

With Nona\'s DNA being found on the wrapper, it is my opinion that there is no way possible for it to have been planted.

[TJEddie]

Fingerprint and DNA testimony from Kevin's trial:

"She (Terry Rolfe, State Crime Lab) also testified that she told Frost using superglue to obtain fingerprints off a condom wrapper found at the scene may inhibit the lab’s ability to collect usable DNA evidence from the wrapper. She said she left the decision on what to test to administer on the wrapper — fingerprints or DNA — up to Frost and the RPD.
“Most cases, when things have been superglued, we don’t get a DNA profile at all,” she said.
Frost testified Thursday he decided to test the condom wrapper for fingerprints, but was unable to identify any usable prints.
Law enforcement uses superglue to help discover latent fingerprints on certain surfaces. The glue is heated in an enclosed area with the object to be fingerprinted, Frost said Thursday. The heated glue gives off a vapor that reacts to skin secretions, enhancing the latent fingerprints."

Based on this testimony, it sounds entirely possible that the fingerprint tests were performed by RPD and the condom wrapper never submitted to the crime lab for DNA testing. (I guess maybe the "misunderstanding" was that Rolfe only said it was possible that print testing would destroy DNA evidence and Frost understood it was a sure thing?)

"Bacon, who is a certified latent print examiner, said he was unable to match latent prints found on the floor lamp base and on the lamp pole near the base with known prints from Jones, Janice Jones, Ryan Whiteside or James “Trey” York.
When questioned about state crime lab fingerprint examiner Bobby Humphries’ decision that the same latent prints were unsuitable for comparison, Bacon said, “I respect his opinion.”
“Does that make him wrong?” Phillips asked.
“No,” Bacon said. He added the prints were unsuitable for comparison through the Automated Fingerprint Identification System, a computerized database used by law enforcement to help identify fingerprints."

So Bacon said the fingerprints on the base of the lamp were suitable for comparison, Bobby Humphries said they were not. (I don't know if Bacon's interpretation of what Humphries meant was supported by Humphries.)

"When asked about latent fingerprints found on the base of the floor lamp not belonging to Jones, Frost said Bobby Humphries, the fingerprint examiner from the State Crime Lab, informed him the prints were not suitable for comparison.
“But Chief Bacon, your boss and a certified latent print examiner, said they could be used for comparison,” Bristow said, adding that Bacon had been able to compare them to Jones‚ prints. He asked Frost if the RPD took fingerprints from anyone other than Jones.
Frost said Trey York, an ATU student who went on a date with Dirksmeyer, was fingerprinted when police interviewed him, and Bacon said the latent prints did not match with York’s.
“If the prints aren’t identifiable, there’s no reason to print anyone else,” Frost said."

From this, I take it that Frost interpreted Humphries' statements to mean that the prints were unsuitable for any type of comparison.

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15392&Search=Rolfe

[sweetgranny]

With Nona\'s DNA being found on the wrapper, it is my opinion that there is no way possible for it to have been planted.
Which brings us full circle....if Nona and Gary both had DNA on the same condom and Kevin saw it I am sure he was not happy:(

[JR2007]

For those who think the DNA via condom or condom wrapper or both is a result of evidence tampering... Will you please explain your theory on how this could have happened? There are several scenarios that I would wager to say that you all are mulling around but I am just curious to know. Don't mention names or anything... I'm just asking how this evidence could have been manufactured.

I will try to give you a scenario that could be possible depending on the chain of command and how strictly it was inforced for the condom wrapper. The defense claimed they had obtained DNA from several people, without their knowledge. This can be done easy enough by following someone and obtaining a cup that they have drank from, or a cigarette butt they threw down, or spitting on the ground, etc. Once obtained the sample could then be used or placed on anything desired. Like I said I would hope that the chain of command for the wrapper was good enough to avoid this scenario, but who knows.
This I believe could only happen in the movies. Ahem.:no:
The other thing that happens in the movies are people taking bribes. Ahem
All Just Imagination here.

[ValleyGirl]

SG
Are you saying that Kevin saw Nona's DNA & a male's DNA?

[sololobo]

Solobo ( hope I spelled that right)
When rumors started going around about me and Nona. It was over a year later since I had been in trouble. People had no right to go after my mother even when I got in trouble. If she had wanted to she could of gotten everything swept under the rug by making one phone call back then, but she has a lot of integrity and told the Judge to treat me no different than someone else and he didn't. Had the privilige of spending 30 days in County Jail, 48 hours Community Service, 6 months suspended license, and 3 years probabtion. So I did not get some slap on the wrist. If I had than I think people have all the right in the world to bash my mother, but that did not happen.
Numerous (People that had heard that Kevins mother told them face to face that I would be arrested once my mother was out of office) people have told me that the Jones Camp started things about me. Why else would my name just pop up in a murder case about someone I didn't know? Second, if there are people that are out there that would throw an innocent kid out there because of his mother's political ties than their just as low as anyone else. Don't get me wrong I hate what happened to a beautiful young lady and realize this is about her, but Jeremiads and myself never had a chance either to protect ourselves. People were attacking us from either side. Its why I no longer live in Russellville and rarely go to visit. I think it is a great place to raise kids but when it comes to gossip and caring more about other peoples business than their selves, Russellville's at the top of the list.

Yes, your mother had a lot of integrity and her political opponents could not successfully attack her directly. They had to drag her children into it. I think most of us in Russellville recognized that and I believe she would have been re-elected if she chose to run. But I fully understand why she did not. It's one thing to be personally attacked but when it is done through your children.....why put up with the BS.

Concerning your sentence, I thought the 30 days seemed a little harsh. I think most would have only gotten probation.

[sololobo]

Solobo ( hope I spelled that right)
When rumors started going around about me and Nona. It was over a year later since I had been in trouble. People had no right to go after my mother even when I got in trouble. If she had wanted to she could of gotten everything swept under the rug by making one phone call back then, but she has a lot of integrity and told the Judge to treat me no different than someone else and he didn't. Had the privilige of spending 30 days in County Jail, 48 hours Community Service, 6 months suspended license, and 3 years probabtion. So I did not get some slap on the wrist. If I had than I think people have all the right in the world to bash my mother, but that did not happen.
Numerous (People that had heard that Kevins mother told them face to face that I would be arrested once my mother was out of office) people have told me that the Jones Camp started things about me. Why else would my name just pop up in a murder case about someone I didn't know? Second, if there are people that are out there that would throw an innocent kid out there because of his mother's political ties than their just as low as anyone else. Don't get me wrong I hate what happened to a beautiful young lady and realize this is about her, but Jeremiads and myself never had a chance either to protect ourselves. People were attacking us from either side. Its why I no longer live in Russellville and rarely go to visit. I think it is a great place to raise kids but when it comes to gossip and caring more about other peoples business than their selves, Russellville's at the top of the list.

Close enough on the spelling. I have trouble typing it...too dang many o's:)

[jeremiads]

SG
Are you saying that Kevin saw Nona's DNA & a male's DNA?Yes, that's exactly what she meant.

Or, she was pointing out that this only furthers that something could have set Kevin off, which isn't hard to believe since he's the only one we have evidence of having anything to do with the murder.

Maybe that will change. Shrug.

[Brown hound]

Which brings us full circle....if Nona and Gary both had DNA on the same condom and Kevin saw it I am sure he was not happy:(

I'm not sure if you realize what you just said. You basically accused Nona of having an affair with this Dunn guy.....

[jeremiads]

I'm not sure if you realize what you just said. You basically accused Nona of having an affair with this Dunn guy.....We don't know what's going on, so don't put words into her mouth. All she said was that it comes right back to the condom wrapper as a trigger/factor.

Don't play like you're trying to defend Nona's integrity. Give me a break.

[sweetgranny]

We don't know what's going on, so don't put words into her mouth. All she said was that it comes right back to the condom wrapper as a trigger/factor.

Don't play like you're trying to defend Nona's integrity. Give me a break.

Thank you jeremiads. I never accused Nona of having an affair. I never implied that Kevins SAW anyone's DNA on the wrapper. I am just saying that I have thought for a long time that the condom was more possibly a trigger than a plant.:shrug:

[TJEddie]

These statements from the Jones family deserve a place on this thread, IMO:

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=71462&catid=2

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/235428/

[jeremiads]

These statements from the Jones family deserve a place on this thread, IMO:

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=71462&catid=2

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/235428/Kevin should really focus on his PR issues after it's proven that Dunn is the real murderer, if that should ever happen. Then again, I guess they didn't hire a PR firm to help him out with that part. The defense team was a big enough job.

"Dreamed of marrying," my ass, by the way.

[sweetgranny]

These statements from the Jones family deserve a place on this thread, IMO:

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=71462&catid=2

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/235428/

Is it just me...I think these two (slightly) resemble each other.

[SaraSidle]

Is it just me...I think these two (slightly) resemble each other.

It is not just you. they are similar to a point. IMO

[VolGirl]

Is it just me...I think these two (slightly) resemble each other.

I thought this too when I saw the picture from his bond hearing on the Courier's website. Probably just conincidental, but interesting still

[JustCallMeNora]

Kevin should really focus on his PR issues after it's proven that Dunn is the real murderer, if that should ever happen. Then again, I guess they didn't hire a PR firm to help him out with that part. The defense team was a big enough job.

"Dreamed of marrying," my ass, by the way.

How would you know what Kevin did or didn't feel towards Nona?

[JustCallMeNora]

TAT,

Individuals have told you that Janice Jones was making incriminating statements about you? Wow. I must admit that I am a little shocked (and personally would like more confirmation that she did in fact do this). There never was ANY physical or even circumstantial evidence to link you to Nona's death. It's a given that the rumors were started maliciously. Does the Jones family have any reason to come at your family like this? I'm just trying to fill in the blanks.

I've heard that Janice reads this board. Now that her family is in celebration mode and making the most of opportunities to speak out, maybe she will get on here a defend herself?

After they way you and others on here have been toward Kevin and the Jones' family, what makes you think that she owes you or anyone else on here for explanation for anything? Quit taunting them and leave them alone.

[jeremiads]

How would you know what Kevin did or didn't feel towards Nona?The power of willful ignorance, as illustrated by JCMN.

It's almost as if I had some sort of connection with Nona that let me in on a lot of things, let alone facts that I'll let others bring up that arose at the trial because I don't feel like enumerating them for you.

Oh, wait. Did someone forget to send me the memo where Kevin and his gang of lawyers are considered angels now? Sorry, I'll get try to fall in line behind that.

Edit: The bottom line is that this PR stint by Kevin is so ham-fisted and transparent that it annoys me as much as anything else these people have ever done. I think there's a level of cooperation going on between his people and the new prosecutor, and it doesn't sit well with me. I mean, really? He starts randomly going for interviews over fake topics to talk about his innocence right before an arrest? Really? (And yes, it's fake. The articles today say he's going to school in Fort Smith. So then why is he appealing the decision to come to Tech at the same time? It's almost as if the whole thing is manufactured, and is just as bad as when the judge wouldn't allow any sort of character testimony about Kevin at the trial.)

[Brown hound]

We don't know what's going on, so don't put words into her mouth. All she said was that it comes right back to the condom wrapper as a trigger/factor.

Don't play like you're trying to defend Nona's integrity. Give me a break.

You have really defended her integrity, so stop with the lectures ...you are more interested in defending your own......We've all stated that what was done to you was wrong. There is not ONE reader on here who would argue that FACT, so why do you persist? Your hatred of the Joneses is very evident. Why don't you now hate Dunn? IF* he did this, you and Kevin were both victims of his. Look at today.

[jeremiads]

You have really defended her integrity, so stop with the lectures ...you are more interested in defending your own......We've all stated that what was done to you was wrong. There is not ONE reader on here who would argue that FACT, so why do you persist? Your hatred of the Joneses is very evident. Why don't you now hate Dunn? IF* he did this, you and Kevin were both victims of his. Look at today.Man, you're really obsessed with thinking that I want it to be about me or something. It's a cute strawman, I guess.

And what reasons do I have for anything against Dunn? Has he gone all out in attacking me or other people? Did evidence suddenly appear that convinces *anybody* that he's the murderer?

"My hatred of the Joneses" is such a stupid thing to even consider. I don't give a damn about his mother, father, or anybody else in his family.

[Brown hound]

Man, you're really obsessed with thinking that I want it to be about me or something. It's a cute strawman, I guess.

And what reasons do I have for anything against Dunn? Has he gone all out in attacking me or other people? Did evidence suddenly appear that convinces *anybody* that he's the murderer?

"My hatred of the Joneses" is such a stupid thing to even consider. I don't give a damn about his mother, father, or anybody else in his family.

My point exactly

[LurkerNoMore]

Man, you're really obsessed with thinking that I want it to be about me or something. It's a cute strawman, I guess.

And what reasons do I have for anything against Dunn? Has he gone all out in attacking me or other people? Did evidence suddenly appear that convinces *anybody* that he's the murderer?

"My hatred of the Joneses" is such a stupid thing to even consider. I don't give a damn about his mother, father, or anybody else in his family.

What would it take to convince you Dunn killed Nona?

What would be your emotional response to learning Dunn killed Nona and Kevin was wrongly tarred and feathered, the same way you were? Do you not see any similarity?

Why do you think Kevin had control over his attorneys? Do you really think he was calling the shots?

[luv2groom]

The talk about Dateline and 48 Hrs slanting coverage. It's TV folks the main thing for them is ratings. They can cut and edit anything.

[FDInLaw]

It has been clearly established that some parties feel Kevin deserves some sort of an apology at this time. Others have made their feelings known to the contrary. As a community I sense that we are at an impasse. I don't see this topic going anywhere productive. There is a thread from those whom wish to post something nice for the Jones family. With a new arrest there is much to discuss besides this. This thread is for Nona and discussion about her murder. I personally feel it's time to move on.

[jeremiads]

What would it take to convince you Dunn killed Nona?Evidence? What kind of answer were you expecting?

What would be your emotional response to learning Dunn killed Nona and Kevin was wrongly tarred and feathered, the same way you were? Do you not see any similarity?I've already made it clear that I'm praying that hard evidence is clearly linking Dunn to the murder since we are at this stage. If, and only if, that happens, I will be relieved to have some closure on this. As for Kevin, he lost any sympathy from me the moment the mud started flying. An honest conviction doesn't rebuild the village his team attempted to burn down. I haven't seen him or his lawyers apologizing to anybody for their crap.

Why do you think Kevin had control over his attorneys? Do you really think he was calling the shots?I don't really care. They worked on his behalf, in his name, and I can promise you that they weren't the only ones involved in all of the nonsense.

[JustCallMeNora]

The power of willful ignorance, as illustrated by JCMN.

It's almost as if I had some sort of connection with Nona that let me in on a lot of things, let alone facts that I'll let others bring up that arose at the trial because I don't feel like enumerating them for you.

Oh, wait. Did someone forget to send me the memo where Kevin and his gang of lawyers are considered angels now? Sorry, I'll get try to fall in line behind that.

Edit: The bottom line is that this PR stint by Kevin is so ham-fisted and transparent that it annoys me as much as anything else these people have ever done. I think there's a level of cooperation going on between his people and the new prosecutor, and it doesn't sit well with me. I mean, really? He starts randomly going for interviews over fake topics to talk about his innocence right before an arrest? Really? (And yes, it's fake. The articles today say he's going to school in Fort Smith. So then why is he appealing the decision to come to Tech at the same time? It's almost as if the whole thing is manufactured, and is just as bad as when the judge wouldn't allow any sort of character testimony about Kevin at the trial.)


Yeah, yeah. I got it. He cheated. She cheated. Sounds like they didn't treat EACH other very well a lot of the time. That doesn't make them bad people. It means they probably weren't good together or for each other. Happens to good people all the time.

I tend to agree with Brown Hound's sentiments that you do like to make this about you.

[luv2groom]

I thought this too when I saw the picture from his bond hearing on the Courier's website. Probably just conincidental, but interesting still

Same here..............And JustCallMeNora and Brownhound - I agree 100% with you about jeremiads.

[lorettalockhorn]

The talk about Dateline and 48 Hrs slanting coverage. It's TV folks the main thing for them is ratings. They can cut and edit anything.

I thought both 48 Hours and Dateline touted themselves as serious investigative journalism. If they are on air for entertainment or amusement, they've sure as hell failed.

Yes, they can and do cut and edit. Irresponsibly.

[lorettalockhorn]

Same here..............And JustCallMeNora and Brownhound - I agree 100% with you about jeremiads.

Gee, I think when The Courier was printing the defense's statements on KuJo's behalf, they made it about Jeremy.

Kevin is the one whose stupidity, egomania, entitlement, arrogance and narcissism is in large part responsible for "what happened to him".

[FDInLaw]

Well, sock puppets, and all that.

Look, you might not like that I am able to frame this from my perspective with my experiences with all of this, but at least I'm honest about where I'm coming from unlike certain people that show up in this thread. You don't have to wonder where I'm coming from, and I'm not afraid to be blunt with how I see the situation.

I don't care if that bothers you, your multiple aliases, or anything else you're associated with in this mess. Unless it's drastic, I won't be responding to anything else by you, brownhound, or anyone else that I sense is connected to you and your less-than-hidden agenda.

To sum up my feelings about your posts: :chicken: Don't let the lurkers in the shadows consume your energy here. You have been open about who you are and where you are coming from and are a valuable member of our community here. Many a day you've helped me out of a mental funk. You're one smart guy and your snarky side keeps me from eating too many snacks at my computer (you and Loretta have helped me lose about 20 lbs this way lol). . . enough of my sap. . . hang in here! Huggers ~ FD

:seeya:

[sweetgranny]

Don't let the lurkers in the shadows consume your energy here. You have been open about who you are and where you are coming from and are a valuable member of our community here. Many a day you've helped me out of a mental funk. You're one smart guy and your snarky side keeps me from eating too many snacks at my computer (you and Loretta have helped me lose about 20 lbs this way lol). . . enough of my sap. . . hang in here! Huggers ~ FD

:seeya:

I agree with FD. maybe use the Ignore button. They are just taunting you. We may all feel a little differently if some real evidence is shown and that may not be until the trial :(

[upallnight]

Don't let the lurkers in the shadows consume your energy here. You have been open about who you are and where you are coming from and are a valuable member of our community here. Many a day you've helped me out of a mental funk. You're one smart guy and your snarky side keeps me from eating too many snacks at my computer (you and Loretta have helped me lose about 20 lbs this way lol). . . enough of my sap. . . hang in here! Huggers ~ FD

:seeya:

FD, love that signature quote.
Jer, don't leave-your input means alot on this post.
For Nona :rose::rose::rose::rose::rose:

[jeremiads]

I'm not going anywhere.

I'm too :cool:

[hawgustusgloop]

Same here..............And JustCallMeNora and Brownhound - I agree 100% with you about jeremiads.

What a coincidence. I bet WonderWoman agrees with y'all, too. Zzzzzzzzz.

Jeremiads seems completely rational, knowledgeable, and credible to me.

[One2Snoop]

What a coincidence. I bet WonderWoman agrees with y'all, too. Zzzzzzzzz.

Jeremiads seems completely rational, knowledgeable, and credible to me.

ITA hawgustusgloop. I can't even imagine being in his shoes, ever. I appreciate his input and all he has offered to share. :rose:

[sololobo]

Is it just me...I think these two (slightly) resemble each other.

Excellent observation, granny. There is a slight resemblence. Could this be a possible explanation for Dunn being able to gain entrance to Nona's apartment?

What did Dunn look like three years ago? Did he have a similiar haircut to Kevin? How tall is Dunn and how tall is Kevin? Could Nona have quickly glanced out a window, assumed it was Kevin and opened the door? Could she have slammed the door when she realized it wasn't Kevin and Dunn forced it open, cracking the frame?

[One2Snoop]

I posted this on the "Do you think this case will ever be solved" but think its worth repeating here....


I haven't really posted on this thread before (said lots of prayers for all those involved or not, though ) and read here off and on but something that struck me odd as I read - Is it possible it could be a combo of all of the above?
As a neighbor, Nona may have known her attacker in a casual sense? She may have been neighborly to him and he took it a step further? (I'm thinking on the basis of this Dunn fellow being the guilty party).

I can't help but think back on one of my own experiences, living single in an apartment -I had a neighbor (not much older than me) who was odd and out of sorts. I felt sorry for him and tried to reach out but it was uncomfortable. Anyhow, this guy that lived below me used to bang on the walls all hours of the night and curse his mother to no end. It scared the crap out of me. I complained on end to management and finally decided to move. Just as I gave notice they came back to me and said he was being kicked out. Little to late.

Maybe Nona felt sorry for Dunn and tried to reach out to him? Is this even a remote possibility?

What is known about this Dunn character other than the previous attack?

Thanks for answering and I apoligize in advance for not doing my homework.:read:

[FDInLaw]

I posted this on the "Do you think this case will ever be solved" but think its worth repeating here....Good to see you posting, O2S!!! :seeya:

For those of you that don't know, One2Snoop is a seasoned poster that has worked long and hard on the Tara Grinstead case among others. A real quality poster from all accounts! :hat:

[FDInLaw]

Jeremy. . . step away from the keyboard. . . she only wants a fight.

Iggy is really the best way! :biggrin:












:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

I posted this on the "Do you think this case will ever be solved" but think its worth repeating here....

Hey O2S! :seeya:

Didn't know Nona, but my perception is that she was kind and giving since she was involved in BBBS and fed and took in stray cats. It's possible that she was decent to Dunn and also possible that she spurned intimacy with him and that was what triggered the attack. As far as I can tell, the attack against the Bona Dea victim is the only violence against women on his record. He was married at some point, and haven't read anything about domestic violence issues.

[lorettalockhorn]

Is it just me...I think these two (slightly) resemble each other.

Didn't one of The Courier articles state that one of the witnesses resembled Kevin? Jeremy Huggins? Jordan Harris?

[hawgustusgloop]

Didn't one of The Courier articles state that one of the witnesses resembled Kevin? Jeremy Huggins? Jordan Harris?

I remember it being Jordan Harris.

ETA:

"ATU music major JORDAN HARRIS took the stand after Kiehl. With red hair and a ruddy complexion, Harris bore a passing resemblance to Jones."

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15339&Search=jordan%20harris

[FDInLaw]

I remember it being Jordan Harris.

ETA:

"ATU music major JORDAN HARRIS took the stand after Kiehl. With red hair and a ruddy complexion, Harris bore a passing resemblance to Jones."

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15339&Search=jordan%20harrisWhat is it with all these red heads??? Weird.

Good catch Hawg! :beer:

[beachbum]

I was wondering if perhaps if Dunn, being the presumed suspect, had let himself into her apt since he knew how the apts were set up and how to get in or break in and he knew she was gone and wouldnt be home for awhile, to possibly go through her things -undies, personal things to learn more about her and she surprised him by coming home during finals and it scared him and felt oh I've been caught in this young womans apt and he became violent fearing he would be charged with breaking and entering and back to the pokey. I wonder if Nona had ever mentioned anything being out of the normal in her apt or things missing to her friends or family.

[FDInLaw]

I was wondering if perhaps if Dunn, being the presumed suspect, had let himself into her apt since he knew how the apts were set up and how to get in or break in and he knew she was gone and wouldnt be home for awhile, to possibly go through her things -undies, personal things to learn more about her and she surprised him by coming home during finals and it scared him and felt oh I've been caught in this young womans apt and he became violent fearing he would be charged with breaking and entering and back to the pokey. I wonder if Nona had ever mentioned anything being out of the normal in her apt or things missing to her friends or family.
I don't know. Dunn has been charged with capital murder which involves premeditation. My guess is that the PA will argue that Dunn brought a knife and condom with him. As such, his intent would not have been to merely burglarize. From previous testimony, we know that Nona was on the pill and that Kevin and her did not use condoms. With this in mind, the condom was probably not just laying around the apartment. The perpetrator either brought it in to use or to throw the police off IMO.

I wonder if investigators have determined whether or not the type/brand of condom is one that Gary Dunn frequently used???

[beachbum]

Does anyone recall if they ever found the sweater the student testified he saw Nona wearing to class that morning? I believe her other clothing was found not far from her body but the sweater was missing.

[Brown hound]

Does anyone recall if they ever found the sweater the student testified he saw Nona wearing to class that morning? I believe her other clothing was found not far from her body but the sweater was missing.

Very good point!

[upallnight]

Does anyone recall if they ever found the sweater the student testified he saw Nona wearing to class that morning? I believe her other clothing was found not far from her body but the sweater was missing.

I don't think the green sweater was found. One thing that I can not seem to get off my mind since Dunn has been arrested. Kevin texted Nona "U Alive". I wonder if Gary Dunn was in her apartment and opened that text. If he did, could it be he might have been scared off because he may have thought-someone is worried about her and I better get out of here? I am not sure but, I think that text was opened-may have been another one-I will have to check that out for sure now. Can not get that off my mind. And if so, have they now placed Gary in that apartment complex around the time that text message from KJ to Nona was opened? This is all just me and trying to put things together. Just really bothers me that something must have scared off the person who killed Nona if they opened a text message such as that. I don't know, this is very hard in more than one way.

[luv2groom]

I don't know. Dunn has been charged with capital murder which involves premeditation. My guess is that the PA will argue that Dunn brought a knife and condom with him. As such, his intent would not have been to merely burglarize. From previous testimony, we know that Nona was on the pill and that Kevin and her did not use condoms. With this in mind, the condom was probably not just laying around the apartment. The perpetrator either brought it in to use or to throw the police off IMO.

I wonder if investigators have determined whether or not the type/brand of condom is one that Gary Dunn frequently used???

Let's try this - He lived in the same apartment complex as Nona. Who's to say he wasn't stalking her. He might of paid attention to her routine. She seemed the type of person who would say "hi" to anyone (just being friendly) he might of taken it the wrong way.

[iluvmua]

Does anybody know how Nona's family is reacting to all of this?
Have they made a public statement/interview about the arrest of Gary Dunn?

[FDInLaw]

Let's try this - He lived in the same apartment complex as Nona. Who's to say he wasn't stalking her. He might of paid attention to her routine. She seemed the type of person who would say "hi" to anyone (just being friendly) he might of taken it the wrong way.This scenario is more likely than the burglary one IMO. I wonder if there was any evidence that Dunn was stalking the Bona Dea girl? Was it just a random attack? Did the girl somehow provoke him??? A number of unanswered questions. :read:

[SaraSidle]

This scenario is more likely than the burglary one IMO. I wonder if there was any evidence that Dunn was stalking the Bona Dea girl? Was it just a random attack? Did the girl somehow provoke him??? A number of unanswered questions. :read:

I think she knew him even as a neighbor She let him in. IMO

[upallnight]

This scenario is more likely than the burglary one IMO. I wonder if there was any evidence that Dunn was stalking the Bona Dea girl? Was it just a random attack? Did the girl somehow provoke him??? A number of unanswered questions. :read:
Totally agree, so many unanswered questions.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think the green sweater was found. One thing that I can not seem to get off my mind since Dunn has been arrested. Kevin texted Nona "U Alive". I wonder if Gary Dunn was in her apartment and opened that text. If he did, could it be he might have been scared off because he may have thought-someone is worried about her and I better get out of here? I am not sure but, I think that text was opened-may have been another one-I will have to check that out for sure now. Can not get that off my mind. And if so, have they now placed Gary in that apartment complex around the time that text message from KJ to Nona was opened? This is all just me and trying to put things together. Just really bothers me that something must have scared off the person who killed Nona if they opened a text message such as that. I don't know, this is very hard in more than one way.

The U alive message was texted around 4:30. Don't believe it was ever opened, or surely there would have been more focus on the afternoon alibi(s). Don't think the green sweater was ever found.

[sweetgranny]

The Gary Dunn thread was having some problems but seems to look the right size now but when I try to post there It is still huge but seems fine here:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Not sure what happened Sweet. It's okay to read, but to post you still have to use your right arrow key. :shrug:

The Atkins Chronicle has a couple of articles today, but I have never figured out how to use their site.

[Brown hound]

Hi all. I understand LE going after Jones. Usually, boyfriends, loved ones etc are the 1st people LE look at as suspects. Most, not all, people, are murdered by those who know them. LE obviously thought he was a viable suspect that's why they prosecuted him. He was found not guilty. End of that legal story. There are people here who believe him to be guilty. Can't be tried again. Not for this murder.

Dunn has been arrested for the murder. He had a history of physical assault against a woman jogger prior to the murder. Would he not have been an obvious suspect, assuming the local LE knew about his history?

The condom wrapper? I live on another continent so I have no idea as to the packaging and colour of these products in the US. However, why would the perp leave this obviously screaming DNA evidence on a kitchen counter, for goodness sake?

OK. To plant evidence. This means the murderer was prowling around her apartment looking for used condoms. Choice. Not impossible but then, must have been someone with access. Did Dunn have access? Jones had to jimmy open a screen door(I think). Why didn't he have a key if he was her boyfriend? Were there any signs of forcible entry at her apartment?

Condom on counter. Catch me if you can. There are lots of murderers who like to leave little rememberances of how clever they are.

But has another crime like this/attempted rape/rape in the area occurred?
Usually, these perps can't stop. They need to continue.

Not that I'm aware of, and I live in Russellville.

[FDInLaw]

Not sure what happened Sweet. It's okay to read, but to post you still have to use your right arrow key. :shrug:

The Atkins Chronicle has a couple of articles today, but I have never figured out how to use their site.

Did the Jones family give another interview? Gosh, this has been a busy week for them. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi all. I understand LE going after Jones. Usually, boyfriends, loved ones etc are the 1st people LE look at as suspects. Most, not all, people, are murdered by those who know them. LE obviously thought he was a viable suspect that's why they prosecuted him. He was found not guilty. End of that legal story. There are people here who believe him to be guilty. Can't be tried again. Not for this murder.

Dunn has been arrested for the murder. He had a history of physical assault against a woman jogger prior to the murder. Would he not have been an obvious suspect, assuming the local LE knew about his history?

The condom wrapper? I live on another continent so I have no idea as to the packaging and colour of these products in the US. However, why would the perp leave this obviously screaming DNA evidence on a kitchen counter, for goodness sake?

OK. To plant evidence. This means the murderer was prowling around her apartment looking for used condoms. Choice. Not impossible but then, must have been someone with access. Did Dunn have access? Jones had to jimmy open a screen door(I think). Why didn't he have a key if he was her boyfriend? Were there any signs of forcible entry at her apartment?

Condom on counter. Catch me if you can. There are lots of murderers who like to leave little rememberances of how clever they are.

But has another crime like this/attempted rape/rape in the area occurred?
Usually, these perps can't stop. They need to continue.

The description of this perp isn't very detailed, but Dunn does appear to be slender, and there were no signs of forced entry:

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=18786&Search=rape

His attack on the Bona Dea victim seems similar to the attack on Nona.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did the Jones family give another interview? Gosh, this has been a busy week for them. :rolleyes:

There is a short article about Tech's rejection of Kevin's application. JJ is quoted about that and her attorney is mentioned.

There is an article about Dunn's arrest with information that hasn't been printed elsewhere (that I've noticed), and there is a statement from McQuary naming and thanking the investigative team.

I just don't know how to post it.

[FDInLaw]

Welcome to
The Atkins Chronicle and
The Dover Times
website


Breaking News

Finally, Justice for Nona and Kevin
The following press release was issued late Friday afternoon by Jack McQuary, State Special Prosecutor for the state of Arkansas:
Based upon ethical rules, I am only allowed to discuss certain aspects of this case.
There has been an arrest of an individual in the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer. His name is Gary Dunn. He is charged with capital murder. I must state at this time that this charge is merely an accusation and that the defendant is presumed innocent until and unless prove guilty.
The investigation of this case has been handled in an extremely professional manner and I would like to personally thank the following:
The Arkansas State Police and their investigators, especially Special Agent Stacie Rhoads. The Dover Marshalls Office, especially Deputy Marshall Todd Steffy.
Sheriff Jay Winters and the Pope County Sheriff’s office, especially Lt. Aaron Duvall, head of the Criminal Investigation Division and the investigators therein. Detective Mark Frost of the Russellville Police Department.
Under Rules 3.6 and 3.8 of the Model Rules of Professional Conduct, I am not at liberty to discuss anything further concerning this investigation or arrest, other than to say if there is anyone who may have further information concerning this matter to pleases contact Arkansas State Police Special Agent Stacie Rhoads or Lt. Aaron Duvall of the Pope County Sheriff’s Office at 479-968-2558.
http://www.eclassifiedsnetwork.com/content.aspx?IsHome=1&MemberID=1254&ID=1784&Module=Quickpage

(Page does not mention a copyright)

[lorettalockhorn]

The Courier still hasn't updated the letters section. This letter that was published yesterday:

Dirksmeyer arrest

Now that another suspect has been arrested in the Nona Dirksmeyer murder I am wondering if the "award winning" reporters for the Russellville Courier will pursue the suspect as vigorously and judgmentally as they did an innocent young man, Kevin Jones. I hope not. Whether or not Mr. Dunn is guilty, he deserves the presumption of innocence until the legal process is completed. Presumption of innocence is an interesting concept that should be explained to the fine "award winning" reporters and editor of The Courier.
I would hope that the crack "award winning" reporters do vigorously investigate the activities of the Russellville Police Department and in particular those individuals involved in the investigation of this crime with the same biases and predetermined judgments that they pursued Mr. Jones. The way in which the investigation was handled by the prosecution and the police department in particular should give the good citizens of Russellville cause to question what might happen to them if they were faced with innocent involvement in a serious incident and were investigated by the police department. They should also pray that should they ever be charged with a serious crime in Pope County, that the trial be moved out of the county beyond the distribution area of the Russellville Courier. Thank God for the good citizens of Franklin County who heard the case against Mr. Jones and found him innocent.
I can only hope and pray that through this experience that there will eventually somehow be peace, understanding, and healing in the lives of the families, friends, and communities that continue to be impacted by this terrible tragedy.
Bill Grabill
Arkansas Tech 1970

[FDInLaw]

There is a short article about Tech's rejection of Kevin's application. JJ is quoted about that and her attorney is mentioned.

There is an article about Dunn's arrest with information that hasn't been printed elsewhere (that I've noticed), and there is a statement from McQuary naming and thanking the investigative team.

I just don't know how to post it.http://admin.iadsnetwork.com/images/pdf/pdfs/20187.pdf

What does page 16 say????

[lorettalockhorn]

Dirksmeyer
polygraph test at that time. According to information that was brought out in the trial by the defense, the administrator of the test was not qualified.
The floor plan to Dunn's apartment was identical to that of Dirksmeyer's giving him full knowledge of the layout of her apartment.
Dunn often visited family who reside in Dover. He was previously employed by Newton Tire and Quality Siding of Russellville. It is thought that Dirksmeyer and Dunn did not know each other personally. According to marriage license documents, Dunn was married in April 18, 2003, to Jennifer Ann Goodfellow of Dover, apparently in the same month Dunn received a second degree battery conviction. They have since separated.
According to an article by Sean Ingram in the Courier, Dunn was convicted of second-degree battery (reduced from a charge of criminal attempted murder in the first degree) in April of 2003 for an incident that occurred on Bona Dea Trail in Russellville.
The victim stated in reports that she was running on a trail, and Dunn was seated on a bench by the trail. She turned around and saw Dunn behind her. She stated that Dunn hit her with a wooden stick. The blow knocked her to the ground. The woman said that Dunn then got on top of her and began hitting her on the right side of her head. The victim said that the defendant then placed her between his legs, twisted her neck and tried to snap it. The Courier article stated that Detective Mark Frost and Officer Chris Koch of the Russellville Police Department testified that while on patrol they observed a man fitting Dunn's description coming from the direction of Bona Dea Trail. They testified that the officers found Dunn hiding in water near a boat ramp behind Washburn Park. Dunn was told to exit the water and was placed into custody. Frost was later the lead investigator on the Dirksmeyer case.
Dunn was sentenced to six years in prison but was released in 2005, after two years, for good behavior. He was on parole at the time of the Dirksmeyer murder.
Janice ad Hiram Jones have stood steadfast in the belief that their son was innocent. Janice said that her family has gone through 2 1/2 years of anguish and frustration, and she hopes that it's near the end.
The Joneses have lost two businesses and a home because of legal expenses. They now live in the home of Hiram's mother and pay $4,800 every three months to pay back legal fees. Legal expenses accumulated to almost $400,000.
Janice has dealt with some of her frustrations and emotions in her writings. She is considering writing a book about their journey to justice.
"I feel very blessed that we have come to this point," she said.
Jones' legal team brought the information of the matching DNA to Pope County Judge David Gibbons [sic]. Fifth Judicial Judge Dennis C. Sutterfield appointed Special State Prosecuting Attorney Jack McQuary to the case at Gibbons' request. At this point all records were sealed pending the completion of the investigation. McQuary lives in Saline County and was the special prosecutor in the West Memphis child shooting.
Attorney Michael Robbins said that the defense team identified Gary Dunn as someone to whom the state needed to take a serious look. "We provided evidence they could not ignore". He said that McQuary established an investigative team including Special Agent Staci Rhoads of the Arkansas State Police and Dover Deputy Todd Steffy. Working with this team were members of the Pope County Sheriff's Office and Joe Carter of the Arkansas State Police.
"This team was responsible for compiling the evidence for the capital murder charge," said Robbins.

[lorettalockhorn]

Jones

had attended Tech his first year of college and wanted to finish his bachelor's degree there."
"We were totally shocked," Janice Jones said, "when Kevin received a letter saying 'Admission to Arkansas Tech is denied.' When he questioned an administrator, he was told that it was a blanket denial and that he would never be able to attend that University." Janice Jones said Kevin later received a letter stating that he was denied admission for security reasons and because his transcripts were late.
Jones said Saturday that it was ironic that her son was denied admission while the man who is now accused of the crime was dating a Tech student.
"I expected Kevin to face some opposition from people he ran into, but not from educated officials" said Janice.
Janice said she and her attorney, Michael Robbins, attended an Arkansas Tech board of Trustees meeting but were not allowed to make a statement because they were not on the agenda.
Susie Nicholson, speaking for Arkansas Tech, said the university's position is stated in the letter to Kevin Jones and declined further comment.
Kevin returned to Fort Smith this week and is enrolling in UAFS.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you, Loretta! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Anyone know Bill Grabill? Is he some sort of "legal expert" working in Georgia?

Interesting that it appears that he disdains bias and predetermined judgment, yet that is the standard that he thinks should be used to investigate RPD.

He praises the Franklin County jury for finding KJ not guilty; wonder how he feels about the jury who found Dunn guilty of a lessor charge in the attempted murder trial. Wonder how he feels that Dunn only served two years and was on parole and was able to (apparently) dupe his PO about where he was living, and was essentially set loose to commit this crime.

Should the penal system, Pardons and Parole system and the Pope County jury also be examined with bias and predetermined judgment?

[FDInLaw]

Personally, I find the criticism of The Courier hysterical. The Atkins Chronicle has been a faithful barometer for the case since they will ONLY print stories that put the Jones family in a good light. We were warned of this early on, when asked if Nona's case would be covered it was stated that it would not because they were friends with the Jones family. Just like the Cafe's "We Love You Kevin!" sign, they made their bias crystal clear. What happened to Nona was not news worthy if it involved putting one of their own in a bad light. I'm not seeing any journalistic integrity there. Enough said.

The Courier put forth a lot of effort to cover the trial and no doubt will do so this next time around. Not sure what folks expect from a small town paper, but at least they are covering ALL the news.

[FDInLaw]

I certainly hope not. IMO, the Jones family has shown incredible self restraint throughout this ordeal. When and if they decide to tell their side of the story, I hope it is in a time, manner and place of their own choosing.......and I hope they get paid for it. I'd certainly pay to hear it.

Did you know that JJ was thinking about writing a book when you posted this?

"If He Did It" might be a catchy title. :biggrin:










Okay, so that was a bad joke. . . bad FD! :punch:

[lorettalockhorn]

Couldn't believe those two stories in yesterday's Chronicle, considering how people have *****ed and bled and moaned and groaned about The Courier's bias.

Was particularly interested that they reported that the Joneses have "lost" two businesses? Literally lost? Not sold? No payment?

Heck, they could have saved a lot of money by teaching Kevin not to lie to LE, and maybe hiring an attorney from the start instead of throwing chairs and yelling in the police station. They wasted a lot of energy. IMO And then willingly bore the cost of the new DNA testing. Gibbons refused to turn over the case file for months, indicating that he (or someone) wasn't ready to let the case go. Did the defense give The State information about this lab and their procedure and The State refused to run the test? Were the Joneses really forced to purchase those tests?

As far as restoring Kevin's reputation; maybe they could have taught him to at least act remorseful. The more they talk, the more skeptical I am of their motives. I suppose if JJ writes a book, she might turn a nice profit and recoup some losses.

[jeremiads]

no fd i love throwing up a little in my mouth sometimes

[lane99]

Thank you to programs like 48 Hours and Dateline for bringing cases such as these to the public's attention. And thank you to the jury for not rolling over. Whether it's due to incompetence or something more pernicious, attempts to railroad a convenient patsy are altogether not uncommon enough.

Considering their history one might due well to maintain a wait and see attitute. However, hopefully, law enforcement and prosecutors have done right by their community and found the real perpetrator this time.

[FDInLaw]

no fd i love throwing up a little in my mouth sometimes

Sorry. :o

That one came to my mind yesterday and I told myself not to post it!

(Maybe you should write a book? I could write one about the ordeal of dealing with a psycho cyber stalker. :grin: )

[jeremiads]

Sorry. :o

That one came to my mind yesterday and I told myself not to post it!

(Maybe you should write a book? I could write one about the ordeal of dealing with a psycho cyber stalker. :grin: )Crap, that's a good idea. Now I wish I hadn't turned down the 48 Hours and Dateline people so I could go on a PR kick also and launch a new career of projecting myself more than anyone cares to see!

*begins writing*

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you to programs like 48 Hours and Dateline for bringing cases such as these to the public's attention. And thank you to the jury for not rolling over. Whether it's due to incompetence or something more pernicious, attempts to railroad a convenient patsy are altogether not uncommon enough.

Considering their history one might due well to maintain a wait and see attitute. However, hopefully, law enforcement and prosecutors have done right by their community and found the real perpetrator this time.

Amen about this time.

As for patsies, Dunn was and is a more likely one that KJ could ever be to my way of thinking. Yet, on the surface of things, he sounds like he could easily be capable. And it seems like only yesterday that so did Kevin.

[FDInLaw]

Amen about this time.

As for patsies, Dunn was and is a more likely one that KJ could ever be to my way of thinking. Yet, on the surface of things, he sounds like he could easily be capable. And it seems like only yesterday that so did Kevin.Although it's tempting to get irritated, all the attention seeking will hopefully show folks what got KJ in the spotlight to begin with. If the RPD was looking for someone to merely pin the crime on, Dunn would have been a better choice to begin with. However, it was hard for them to ignore Kevin's behavior. I won't argue that the RPD did a good job, they should have dug deeper. More dna test should have been done from the start IMO. Hopefully this time around we will finally know who was responsible for Nona's death. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Although it's tempting to get irritated, all the attention seeking will hopefully show folks what got KJ in the spotlight to begin with. If the RPD was looking for someone to merely pin the crime on, Dunn would have been a better choice to begin with. However, it was hard for them to ignore Kevin's behavior. I won't argue that the RPD did a good job, they should have dug deeper. More dna test should have been done from the start IMO. Hopefully this time around we will finally know who was responsible for Nona's death. :rose:

Lawsy Sure hope we don't get any new irritated types in here. The ones we're stuck with are too prolific as it is. At least her latest foul post was deleted.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you to programs like 48 Hours and Dateline for bringing cases such as these to the public's attention. And thank you to the jury for not rolling over. Whether it's due to incompetence or something more pernicious, attempts to railroad a convenient patsy are altogether not uncommon enough.

Considering their history one might due well to maintain a wait and see attitute. However, hopefully, law enforcement and prosecutors have done right by their community and found the real perpetrator this time.Welcome to the board! :seeya:
I agree with Loretta, Kevin was not the most convenient "patsy." Usually folks without a family willing and able to fork out $400,000 are. Note that Dunn was one of the original suspects and his loved ones will not be paying a cent for his defense. He lived in the same apartment complex as Nona and is a convicted felon for attacking a woman. The new PA has even stated publicly that if he were Gibbons ( with the facts known at the time) he would have prosecuted Kevin too.

[upallnight]

Amen about this time.

As for patsies, Dunn was and is a more likely one that KJ could ever be to my way of thinking. Yet, on the surface of things, he sounds like he could easily be capable. And it seems like only yesterday that so did Kevin.

Well said L, well said. We only knew what we was shown. Pretty much sums up the feeling of many. :rose:

[upallnight]

Although it's tempting to get irritated, all the attention seeking will hopefully show folks what got KJ in the spotlight to begin with. If the RPD was looking for someone to merely pin the crime on, Dunn would have been a better choice to begin with. However, it was hard for them to ignore Kevin's behavior. I won't argue that the RPD did a good job, they should have dug deeper. More dna test should have been done from the start IMO. Hopefully this time around we will finally know who was responsible for Nona's death. :rose:
Totally agree FD, time and evidence will tell I pray. Hopefully the truth will be known to all. :rose:

[lane99]

Welcome to the board! :seeya:
I agree with Loretta, Kevin was not the most convenient "patsy." Usually folks without a family willing and able to fork out $400,000 are. Note that Dunn was one of the original suspects and his loved ones will not be paying a cent for his defense. He lived in the same apartment complex as Nona and is a convicted felon for attacking a woman. The new PA has even stated publicly that if he were Gibbons ( with the facts known at the time) he would have prosecuted Kevin too.

Thanks for the friendly gesture, FDInLaw. : )

He was her boyfriend, and he found her body. That's enough for the sort of law enforcement officials who may be so inclined to try to squeeze a square peg into a round hole. Family members and those closest to a victim are the path of least resistance. Example: Michael Crowe.

A person's financial resources can (I'll agree with you there) but don't necessarily immunize people from being targeted on tenous grounds. Example: Marty Tankleff.

Meanwhile, if it's true the police knew from the gitgo about Dunn's proximity and his record as a violent predator, then the way this case was pursued is even more troubling than I realized.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for the friendly gesture, FDInLaw. : )

He was her boyfriend, and he found her body. That's enough for the sort of law enforcement officials who may so be inclined to try to squeeze a square peg into a round hole. Those closest to a victim are the path of least resistance. Example: Michael Crowe.

A person's financial resources can (I'll agree with you there) but don't necessarily immunize people from being targeted on tenous grounds. Example: Marty Tankleff.

Meanwhile, if it's true the police knew from the gitgo about Dunn's proximity and his record as a violent predator, then the way this case was pursued is even more troubling than I realized. I agree. The PA and lead investigator worked on Dunn's attempted murder/assault case when it went to trial. . . they knew more than most! I am anxious to hear more about the case against Dunn. If reasonable doubt can be established I'm afraid we will never know for sure. Trying to hope for the best though.

[JustCallMeNora]

Not that I'm aware of, and I live in Russellville.

I am not aware of any either.

[TJEddie]

Did you know that JJ was thinking about writing a book when you posted this?

"If He Did It" might be a catchy title. :biggrin:










Okay, so that was a bad joke. . . bad FD! :punch:

No, I didn't previously know that Janice Jones is considering writing a book, but I am certainly glad to hear it! I'm pleased to know that she was using writing as an outlet during those many months that she and her family maintained public silence. I'm sure there are many who would love to know more about their experiences during that time, should they choose to tell about it.

As an aside here...... I want to offer my belated thanks for your kind post to me a couple of days ago, acknowledging me as a poster who offers "respectful dialogue" on this forum. Experience has taught me that in adversarial situations, others tend to notice who takes the high road and who takes the low. Thank you for reinforcing that lesson for me.

[luv2groom]

When was Dunn's house searched ? Was it back in 2005, or when he was arrested (2008). If the later is the answer he would of had time to destroy evidence. Just wondering.........................

[FDInLaw]

No, I didn't previously know that Janice Jones is considering writing a book, but I am certainly glad to hear it! I'm pleased to know that she was using writing as an outlet during those many months that she and her family maintained public silence. I'm sure there are many who would love to know more about their experiences during that time, should they choose to tell about it.

As an aside here...... I want to offer my belated thanks for your kind post to me a couple of days ago, acknowledging me as a poster who offers "respectful dialogue" on this forum. Experience has taught me that in adversarial situations, others tend to notice who takes the high road and who takes the low. Thank you for reinforcing that lesson for me.
Civil behavior is much appreciated and certainly does not go unnoticed! It is in adversarial situations that a person's character is made known. :patriot:

[FDInLaw]

When was Dunn's house searched ? Was it back in 2005, or when he was arrested (2008). If the later is the answer he would of had time to destroy evidence. Just wondering.........................

Excellent question! Did anyone catch that info in any of the articles???

I'll keep an eye out for it. :read:




:seeya:

[TJEddie]

When was Dunn's house searched ? Was it back in 2005, or when he was arrested (2008). If the later is the answer he would of had time to destroy evidence. Just wondering.........................

IMO, even if the answer were the former, there would have still been plenty of time to destroy evidence. There was a 6-8 hour time gap between the time of the murder and the discovery of the body......and how many more hours before RPD was able to start developing and questioning any suspects beyond the one who met them at the door?

[sololobo]

Well, I see the baseless personal attacks against Kevin and his family are not going to stop. Kevin did not bring this on himself. He was a victim of un-informed public opinion run amok. I never before fully understood how the Salem witch trials could have been possible. Now I do.

All of us were wrong about different aspects of this case and I apologize to anyone affected by my own un-informed opinions. Let's admit it and move on.

"nuff said on this matter. Let's focus on the Nona murder case.

[sololobo]

Hi all. There were no signs of forcible entry into Nona's apartment right? Except where Jones had to force his way in. So, she let her murderer in. I'm going to assume she knew him. Even on a casual basis. Dunn lived in the same complex. Seems reasonable Nona knew him. On a casual "Hi I've seen you around here' basis. Maybe they knew each other better than that. Maybe not.

Assuming LE learnt their lesson after the 1st time around, I'd bet they have pretty solid evidence this time. Wouldn't you? But it would have to be DNA, physical evidence I would expect. Not the fact that he had been in prison for attacking another female. That would make me, if I was a potential jury member, think that Dunn was being made a patsy because the 1st suspect was acquitted.

A few thoughts.

There was a long crack originating from the strike plate on the front door. It could not be determined when or how it was cracked.

Dunn claimed he didn't know Nona and was never in her apartment. The condom wrapper with his and Nona's DNA implies he had been in the apartment. I agree they probably have much better evidence this time.

[FDInLaw]

Well, I see the baseless personal attacks against Kevin and his family are not going to stop. Kevin did not bring this on himself. He was a victim of un-informed public opinion run amok. I never before fully understood how the Salem witch trials could have been possible. Now I do.

All of us were wrong about different aspects of this case and I apologize to anyone affected by my own un-informed opinions. Let's admit it and move on.

"nuff said on this matter. Let's focus on the Nona murder case.
I guess you would have to hold the conviction that there have been "baseless" comments made about Bubba Turner, Duane Dipert, Jeremy Martin, James York and others as well??? After all, this latest investigation and arrest takes them out of the spotlight too since they were all checked out again. I'm tired of this topic, because quite frankly, the ones screaming the loudest for Kevin have themselves made hateful comments about others. As I've stated before, this issue is a divisive one. . . I could send you a whole lists a reasons behind my comments about Kevin if you like, complete with police reports. But, haven't we already gone over this stuff? Despite Kevin being in the news non-stop, as far as Nona's case is concerned, he is old news (and isn't that what y'all have wanted all along?). Why keep fanning the flames with your remarks???

IMO another thread should be made for this discussion. Some are angry that Dunn is not being treated the same way that Kevin is, yet it is their posts that keep derailing the thread and bring the focus back unto Kevin. Oh, the irony!



I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence!

JUSTICE FOR NONA! :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, I see the baseless personal attacks against Kevin and his family are not going to stop. Kevin did not bring this on himself. He was a victim of un-informed public opinion run amok. I never before fully understood how the Salem witch trials could have been possible. Now I do.

All of us were wrong about different aspects of this case and I apologize to anyone affected by my own un-informed opinions. Let's admit it and move on.

"nuff said on this matter. Let's focus on the Nona murder case.

While your attempt to police the postings of others is certainly more considerate than that of Kevin's supporters who have trolled, harassed, sworn at, threatened, etc. others in the forum, the fact remains that there are lies and inconsistencies by Kevin, and they very well may be part of Dunn's defense.

I'm sure that Kevin's attorney(s) are aware of the fact and with his newfound maturity, KJ will find a way to deal with it.

[FDInLaw]

And now Jones will watch her murder case from a distance. The ordeal forced the undergrad to Fort Smith and to a new major.

"One of the reasons I went to psychology is to figure out how people's minds change after a traumatic experience. I feel certain ways and sometimes I don't understand why," he tells us.

But even with all the notoriety Jones says he doesn't want to leave his home state.



http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=c44c4b86-338a-4f39-b4be-969fac65ce87&rss=315


Could someone please explain to me how this situation "forced" Kevin to change majors??? And, did he not chose to go to Fayetteville and then Fort Smith for school? (Yes, he tried to go to Tech recently, but he was at the other schools by choice first). IIRC Nona was not happy about him leaving her to study in Fayetteville, where, from testimony given during the trial, he was sleeping with other girls. Ugh. I guess I was suppose to jump on the "poor Kevin." My apologies.

[upallnight]

Well, I see the baseless personal attacks against Kevin and his family are not going to stop. Kevin did not bring this on himself. He was a victim of un-informed public opinion run amok. I never before fully understood how the Salem witch trials could have been possible. Now I do.

All of us were wrong about different aspects of this case and I apologize to anyone affected by my own un-informed opinions. Let's admit it and move on.

"nuff said on this matter. Let's focus on the Nona murder case.

Get over it and move on sololobo, there is so much more in the coming days to be seen and heard in the search for JUSTICE FOR NONA.

[jeremiads]

Oh, Kevin.

"I was hoping for something, I knew they were working on the case, found the person who did it with the DNA match, it seemed like I’d been waiting and waiting and waiting. When my mom told me I was pretty relieved," Jones said.We have DNA evidence linking Dunn to the murder? How relieving! I can't wait for that to actually be shown.

"In four or five years when I get out of law school we'll see what happens...by then I might not care. I just might want to help people the way my lawyers helped me."He'll be out of *law* school in four or five years? He doesn't even have a bachelor's degree! :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, Kevin.

We have DNA evidence linking Dunn to the murder? How relieving! I can't wait for that to actually be shown.

He'll be out of *law* school in four or five years? He doesn't even have a bachelor's degree! :biggrin:

I'm curious as to what evidence was found that links to a sexual assault other than the condom wrapper (as noted in some other articles). Something that was there before and was collected but wasn't tested?

Not sure what class he's in now. Sophomore? Junior? Don't most students spend about three years in law school?

And speaking of school, The Chronicle repeated the assertion that Kevin made the dean's list at UAFS. It was never in any of the articles that I read when the list was published, and Hawg posted a link to the UAFS official list and his name isn't listed. Is this a clerical error? They welcome him, but omitted his name? Shouldn't his attorney(s) have this slight corrected by now?

[JR2007]

I'm curious as to what evidence was found that links to a sexual assault other than the condom wrapper (as noted in some other articles). Something that was there before and was collected but wasn't tested?

I think we will see new Experts in the upcoming trial refuting old Expert in KJ's trial. So much for experts.:rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

I think we will see new Experts in the upcoming trial refuting old Expert in KJ's trial. So much for experts.:rolleyes:Yep. All for a backwoods jury to rule on.

There is a long road ahead.

[sololobo]

I'm curious as to what evidence was found that links to a sexual assault other than the condom wrapper (as noted in some other articles). Something that was there before and was collected but wasn't tested?

Not sure what class he's in now. Sophomore? Junior? Don't most students spend about three years in law school?

And speaking of school, The Chronicle repeated the assertion that Kevin made the dean's list at UAFS. It was never in any of the articles that I read when the list was published, and Hawg posted a link to the UAFS official list and his name isn't listed. Is this a clerical error? They welcome him, but omitted his name? Shouldn't his attorney(s) have this slight corrected by now?

Very good question. The simplest explanation for the presence of the condom wrapper is the killer was intending to rape but stopped short for some reason, killed her and left. Perhaps the text message, opened but not replied to, at 11:00 am from Trey scared him off? Or some activity outside? However, sexual assault is not always actual rape. Does LE have evidence of sexual assault not involving actual rape that could have been easily overlooked during the first investigation?

IIRC, Kevin was living with his brother in Fort Smith at the time. There is a Kevin Jones of Ft. Smith listed on the fall 2007 Honor Roll of UAFS.

http://www.uafortsmith.edu/News/Index?skin=&storyid=1965

[sololobo]

I guess you would have to hold the conviction that there have been "baseless" comments made about Bubba Turner, Duane Dipert, Jeremy Martin, James York and others as well??? After all, this latest investigation and arrest takes them out of the spotlight too since they were all checked out again. I'm tired of this topic, because quite frankly, the ones screaming the loudest for Kevin have themselves made hateful comments about others. As I've stated before, this issue is a divisive one. . . I could send you a whole lists a reasons behind my comments about Kevin if you like, complete with police reports. But, haven't we already gone over this stuff? Despite Kevin being in the news non-stop, as far as Nona's case is concerned, he is old news (and isn't that what y'all have wanted all along?). Why keep fanning the flames with your remarks???

IMO another thread should be made for this discussion. Some are angry that Dunn is not being treated the same way that Kevin is, yet it is their posts that keep derailing the thread and bring the focus back unto Kevin. Oh, the irony!



I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence!

JUSTICE FOR NONA! :rose:

You left out Carol who was bashed for smiling while remininscing about Nona on Dateline and that was the worst of all the bashings. From what I've read about Nona, who couldn't fondly smile when thinking of her. I believe Nona's personality could have made a fence post smile. Carol is more accurately portrayed in the following article....no "creative" editing as was evident in the Dateline interview. It deserves reading.

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=10781&Search=carol%20dipert

All the names you mentioned were dragged through the mud in the past and indeed, all were victims of un-informed public opinion. But Kevin is still being demonized. It appears justice for Nona may be in sight. Whether Kevin's name was or was not on a Dean's list is no longer, if ever, relevant.

[TJEddie]

A few days ago, this thread became 2 pages shorter......between yesterday and today, another 14 pages seem to have disappeared. Anybody know what's up with that?

[Brown hound]

I guess you would have to hold the conviction that there have been "baseless" comments made about Bubba Turner, Duane Dipert, Jeremy Martin, James York and others as well??? After all, this latest investigation and arrest takes them out of the spotlight too since they were all checked out again. I'm tired of this topic, because quite frankly, the ones screaming the loudest for Kevin have themselves made hateful comments about others. As I've stated before, this issue is a divisive one. . . I could send you a whole lists a reasons behind my comments about Kevin if you like, complete with police reports. But, haven't we already gone over this stuff? Despite Kevin being in the news non-stop, as far as Nona's case is concerned, he is old news (and isn't that what y'all have wanted all along?). Why keep fanning the flames with your remarks???

IMO another thread should be made for this discussion. Some are angry that Dunn is not being treated the same way that Kevin is, yet it is their posts that keep derailing the thread and bring the focus back unto Kevin. Oh, the irony!





JUSTICE FOR NONA! :rose:

I have NEVER made hurtful comments about others or accused anyone else of the murder. Please feel free to check my posts. I have maintained all along that I thought it was a completely violent random act by a total stranger. *See my first post* Please do not make blanket statements about people who were not willing to jump on the Kevin-hate club bandwagon. Is it so hard for you to believe that all along my assumption was that she was killed by a stranger, I would like the stranger found, and want true justice for Nona? Why is it that in order to be "for Nona" you also have to be against Kevin? You seem to fan the flames the flames the hardest.

[FDInLaw]

I have NEVER made hurtful comments about others or accused anyone else of the murder. Please feel free to check my posts. I have maintained all along that I thought it was a completely violent random act by a total stranger. *See my first post* Please do not make blanket statements about people who were not willing to jump on the Kevin-hate club bandwagon. Is it so hard for you to believe that all along my assumption was that she was killed by a stranger, I would like the stranger found, and want true justice for Nona? Why is it that in order to be "for Nona" you also have to be against Kevin? You seem to fan the flames the flames the hardest.
I'm sorry if my words came off as a blanket statement. I was speaking of certain posters. . . they know who they are.

Justice for Nona has never meant Kevin must be guilty to me. It does mean that Kevin needs to be considered a suspect like everyone else, something some folks won't even consider. I do think that to be "for Nona" means to have compassion for her Mother. . . yet some of Nona's so called "friends" have attacked her with the utmost cruelty. When whispers of Kevin been suspected first circulated, Carol was completely abandoned by many that claimed to be her friend and Nona's. Yet in one article it states that Carol has yet to contact Kevin. Are you serious? She does not own him an apology. This may be hard to grasp, but so far there has been no concrete evidence presented that proves Gary Dunn is responsible for Nona's death. . . we are all still waiting. As we wait, Kevin's innocence is still in question. IMO all the interviews are bit presumptuous, but then for some the ONLY thing that matters is Kevin and his image. If you want to know why emotions run so deep, let me just state that not all the nasty statements directed at Nona's family have been faceless. Some of the sources are known.

[FDInLaw]

A few days ago, this thread became 2 pages shorter......between yesterday and today, another 14 pages seem to have disappeared. Anybody know what's up with that?
I believe both suga and susieQ went poof.

[Brown hound]

I believe both suga and susieQ went poof.

Does that mean that all their posts are automatically erased? Who has the discretion to do that?

[lorettalockhorn]

You left out Carol who was bashed for smiling while remininscing about Nona on Dateline and that was the worst of all the bashings. From what I've read about Nona, who couldn't fondly smile when thinking of her. I believe Nona's personality could have made a fence post smile. Carol is more accurately portrayed in the following article....no "creative" editing as was evident in the Dateline interview. It deserves reading.

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=10781&Search=carol%20dipert

All the names you mentioned were dragged through the mud in the past and indeed, all were victims of un-informed public opinion. But Kevin is still being demonized. It appears justice for Nona may be in sight. Whether Kevin's name was or was not on a Dean's list is no longer, if ever, relevant.


I believe the statement referred to last semester, which logically refers to Spring '08. I do applaud his educational pursuits, he has mentioned that he wasn't a good student before. I can only imagine the tremendous stress he's been under.

"Jones, who made the dean's list last semester, says he wants to be a lawyer and willl keep pushing toward his goal."

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0808/545456.html

Yes, it's relevant. His new found maturity apparently hasn't improved his grasp of the truth. I honestly cannot imagine that he won't be part of Dunn's defense. Shouldn't he brush up on his ability to be honest in order to help with Dunn's conviction and gain justice for Nona?

[FDInLaw]

Well, I hope it is true that he made the dean's list and is working hard.

[Brown hound]

Couldn't believe those two stories in yesterday's Chronicle, considering how people have *****ed and bled and moaned and groaned about The Courier's bias.

Was particularly interested that they reported that the Joneses have "lost" two businesses? Literally lost? Not sold? No payment?

Heck, they could have saved a lot of money by teaching Kevin not to lie to LE, and maybe hiring an attorney from the start instead of throwing chairs and yelling in the police station. They wasted a lot of energy. IMO And then willingly bore the cost of the new DNA testing. Gibbons refused to turn over the case file for months, indicating that he (or someone) wasn't ready to let the case go. Did the defense give The State information about this lab and their procedure and The State refused to run the test? Were the Joneses really forced to purchase those tests?

As far as restoring Kevin's reputation; maybe they could have taught him to at least act remorseful. The more they talk, the more skeptical I am of their motives. I suppose if JJ writes a book, she might turn a nice profit and recoup some losses.


Please let it go......If my child were accused of murder and I did not think they did it (as did the jury, mind you) , I would give up everything monetary to avoid having my son go to prison and be someone's unwilling girlfriend. Period. You would do exactly what they did, I would hope. As for the chair throwing, i hope that you never have to face that situation. Who knows what I/you/or anyone else would do? It is sure easy to sit in your home and talk about someone on the internet, though, isn't it?? I hope and pray that I am never in that predicament.

Do you have PROOF that the Jones profited from their businesses? Do you know anything about business? You can sell something and turn a loss. I have no idea about their business dealings, but I am not the one hurling accusations.

There is still a killer out there not convicted of this murder!!! Leave Kevin and the Jones out of it.

I'm quite sure that by me expressing my opinions, I am probably the next one to get this site shortened.

[lorettalockhorn]

[/B]
Please let it go......If my child were accused of murder and I did not think they did it (as did the jury, mind you) , I would give up everything monetary to avoid having my son go to prison and be someone's unwilling girlfriend. Period. You would do exactly what they did, I would hope. As for the chair throwing, i hope that you never have to face that situation. Who knows what I/you/or anyone else would do? It is sure easy to sit in your home and talk about someone on the internet, though, isn't it?? I hope and pray that I am never in that predicament.

Do you have PROOF that the Jones profited from their businesses? Do you know anything about business? You can sell something and turn a loss. I have no idea about their business dealings, but I am not the one hurling accusations.

There is still a killer out there not convicted of this murder!!! Leave Kevin and the Jones out of it.

I'm quite sure that by me expressing my opinions, I am probably the next one to get this site shortened.

Won't be letting go of anything on your order. I simply questioned the wording of the article; that the Joneses lost their businesses. Yes, I know some things about business, but wouldn't dare to say that I know a lot. Probably not nearly as much as you. Help a girl out, prof. How would turning a loss on the sale of their businesses help pay for legal expenses? On their taxes maybe?

Nope. No proof. I simply questioned the wording of the article; that the Joneses lost their businesses.

As for the chair throwing. I would have hired an attorney to demonstrate my indignation, rather than making an arse of myself in public by becoming violent.

Sheesh Do you just go around looking to be offended? Like for instance when you assumed that FD was talking about you in particular with her comment to Solo? You sure seem invested in Kevin. Condolences.

[Brown hound]

Won't be letting go of anything on your order. I simply questioned the wording of the article; that the Joneses lost their businesses. Yes, I know some things about business, but wouldn't dare to say that I know a lot. Probably not nearly as much as you. Help a girl out, prof. How would turning a loss on the sale of their businesses help pay for legal expenses? On their taxes maybe?

Nope. No proof. I simply questioned the wording of the article; that the Joneses lost their businesses.

As for the chair throwing. I would have hired an attorney to demonstrate my indignation, rather than making an arse of myself in public by becoming violent.

Sheesh Do you just go around looking to be offended? Like for instance when you assumed that FD was talking about you in particular with her comment to Solo? You sure seem invested in Kevin. Condolences.
Nope. Just don't like to see people trashed. I'm for the proverbial underdog.

[luv2groom]

I have to agree with Brownhound on doing anything and everything to defend your child. Who's to say that Mr. Jones was indeed in shock over everything going on at the time... I would've been right there with him...........

[lorettalockhorn]

Never said that I wouldn't do anything in my power to defend my child. Of course, that doesn't include breaking the law. That the Joneses were willing to go so far on the finances can certainly be viewed as admirable. The breaking the law, not so much.

What I actually questioned was the wording of the article. That the Joneses lost two businesses.

I am still curious as to whether or not when the defense found the lab that could perform the tests, if The State refused to pay the cost.

[hawgustusgloop]

Nope. Just don't like to see people trashed. I'm for the proverbial underdog.

So, you will be dropping Kevin once he becomes a lawyer and his mom becomes a successful author, and taking up Dunn's cause? Because if they have any solid evidence on him, he's going to become quite the underdog here. JMO.

[Brown hound]

So, you will be dropping Kevin once he becomes a lawyer and his mom becomes a successful author, and taking up Dunn's cause? Because if they have any solid evidence on him, he's going to become quite the underdog here. JMO.

No worries...There will always be people on here who will not think Dunn did it, even if he videotaped it himself. If Dunn did it, what some have been feeling this whole time will be proven wrong......I do, however think that Dunn is innocent until proven guilty. I want proof, irrefutable evidence that says it was him or not. And in the end, we will all have to rely (AGAIN!!!) on 12 complete strangers who get to listen to the whole story and tell us what they think. I will be on here listening to the daily reports with you all.

Is there still anyone left on here who attended the first trial every day? Who will be able to give us the trial down-low this time?

[lorettalockhorn]

So, you will be dropping Kevin once he becomes a lawyer and his mom becomes a successful author, and taking up Dunn's cause? Because if they have any solid evidence on him, he's going to become quite the underdog here. JMO.

Was wondering that myself.

It's hard not to root for the underdog sometimes. But I've never considered Kevin to be one. He strikes me as rather priveleged and overly doted on. Especially considering some of his behaviors.

[iluvmua]

What I don't understand is why was Nona found nude with only white socks on?
Perhaps, whoever attacked/killed her wanted it to look like she was raped?

[Brown hound]

What I don't understand is why was Nona found nude with only white socks on?
Perhaps, whoever attacked/killed her wanted it to look like she was raped?

We're going to have to go with the stranger scenario...If a stranger killed her, why would he care to want it to look like a rape? Why would he care what his "motives" were, or to do something to skewer the crime scene? Obviously, he would have had the upper hand on unanimity since he was a stranger, and with no real ties to her.

[sweetgranny]

We're going to have to go with the stranger scenario...If a stranger killed her, why would he care to want it to look like a rape? Why would he care what his "motives" were, or to do something to skewer the crime scene? Obviously, he would have had the upper hand on unanimity since he was a stranger, and with no real ties to her.

Which is one of the very reasons I never thought it was a stranger. This was a crime filled with rage:mad:

[FDInLaw]

Personally, I would like to know more about what happened at Bona Dea. What were the motives behind that attack? Was the victim really a total stranger? Did Dunn intend sexual assault? The rage he demonstrated was certainly unsettling. There are some folks that hint that there is more to the story. . . I wish someone would talk about it. :(

[JR2007]

What I don't understand is why was Nona found nude with only white socks on?
Perhaps, whoever attacked/killed her wanted it to look like she was raped?
As I had posted Sat. but somehow the post went poof and is no longer here. I don't believe the scene was stage to look like rape. If I were going to stage a scene like this, to look like rape, I would have left her body face up not lying on her stomach. JMO.
Hope this post doesn't go poof.

[JR2007]

Personally, I would like to know more about what happened at Bona Dea. What were the motives behind that attack? Was the victim really a total stranger? Did Dunn intend sexual assault? The rage he demonstrated was certainly unsettling. There are some folks that hint that there is more to the story. . . I wish someone would talk about it. :(

Agree here 100%.
All have a happy Labor day and don't do to much laboring. Either type.

[Brown hound]

As I had posted Sat. but somehow the post went poof and is no longer here. I don't believe the scene was stage to look like rape. If I were going to stage a scene like this, to look like rape, I would have left her body face up not lying on her stomach. JMO.
Hope this post doesn't go poof.

Good point. I don't think it was staged. I think this stranger committed a horrific act, then got out of there as fast as he could (leaving a condom wrapper by accident). I would also like to know more details about the Bona Dea attack. Sure was gruesome, according to what has been posted on here.

[lorettalockhorn]

Original news story re: the Bona Dea attack:

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=188&Search=bona%20dea

Story Date: Monday, August 26, 2002

Man arrested in assault at trail


By Sean Ingram
judicial@couriernews.com
A 23-year-old Pottsville man spent his birthday Monday in the Pope County Detention Center in Russellville after being arrested Sunday in connection with the alleged assault of a 24-year-old Russellville woman at BONA DEA Trails.
Bond was set at $20,000 by Russellville District Judge Don Bourne during a bond hearing Monday morning. The Fifth Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney's Office is seeking charges of second-degree battery and terroristic threatening against the individual, and will be formally charged in the coming days.
According to Russellville Police Department reports, the alleged victim called Pope County 9-1-1 Communications after leaving the trails, the scene of Sunday afternoon's alleged battery, and drove to Saint Mary's Wellness Fitness Center on West Main Street. Pope County EMS paramedics treated the woman at the center. She was later transported to a local hospital emergency room by a friend, reports indicated.
The victim stated in reports she was running on a trail and saw a white male wearing blue jeans and a blue shirt seated on a bench by the trail. After running by the subject and was approximately 20 feet behind him, the complainant stated she turned around and saw the man behind her.
The alleged victim stated the man then allegedly hit her with a wooden stick that she described as 2 to 2 1/2 feet long and five inches in diameter. The complainant told police she hit the ground and the subject got on top of her and allegedly began hitting her on the right side of her head by hear ear several times. The woman stated she attempted to get back up, but the suspect knocked her back down and allegedly hit her several more times.
The complainant stated the suspect then got her between his legs, allegedly twisted her neck and stated, "I'll (expletive) kill you," before the woman managed to get away and ran to the fitness center to call 9-1-1.
Reports indicated the woman's injuries included a black and blue left eye, cuts across the bridge of her nose, cuts under her right eye, scratches on the right side of her neck, cuts on her right shoulder, a cut on her right inner thigh, cuts on her left arm, red marks all over her face and just about all over her body. The alleged victim was interviewed by authorities at the emergency room and gave a description of her alleged attacker.
The suspect was located near the Ouita boat ramp across Lake Front Drive from Washburn Park, according to reports. After driving through the park and down Parkway behind the park, officers came back to the boat ramp area and observed a man fitting the description coming from the direction of BONA DEA Trails.
One officer later observed motion in the water where something very large had entered the water. Upon further inspection, the officer could see the suspect hiding in water around grass, and called for the man to exit the water twice. After more police arrived and the suspect was advised to exit the water a third time, the man stated, "Okay, I'm coming out," and was arrested.
The suspect, who police say had been previously arrested for breaking and entering in a vehicle last December, was transported to the police station and interviewed by the department's Criminal Investigation Division.

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Copyright 2008 Russellville Newspapers, Inc.

JR, was wondering where your post went; didn't see anything wrong with it. Maybe it got caught in general housekeeping.

If Nona was posed to appear to have been raped, then maybe the perpetrator was trying to make it look as though she was sodomized.

[JR2007]

Original news story re: the Bona Dea attack:

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=188&Search=bona%20dea (http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=188&Search=bona%20dea)

Story Date: Monday, August 26, 2002

Man arrested in assault at trail


By Sean Ingram
judicial@couriernews.com
A 23-year-old Pottsville man spent his birthday Monday in the Pope County Detention Center in Russellville after being arrested Sunday in connection with the alleged assault of a 24-year-old Russellville woman at BONA DEA Trails.
Bond was set at $20,000 by Russellville District Judge Don Bourne during a bond hearing Monday morning. The Fifth Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney's Office is seeking charges of second-degree battery and terroristic threatening against the individual, and will be formally charged in the coming days.
According to Russellville Police Department reports, the alleged victim called Pope County 9-1-1 Communications after leaving the trails, the scene of Sunday afternoon's alleged battery, and drove to Saint Mary's Wellness Fitness Center on West Main Street. Pope County EMS paramedics treated the woman at the center. She was later transported to a local hospital emergency room by a friend, reports indicated.
The victim stated in reports she was running on a trail and saw a white male wearing blue jeans and a blue shirt seated on a bench by the trail. After running by the subject and was approximately 20 feet behind him, the complainant stated she turned around and saw the man behind her.
The alleged victim stated the man then allegedly hit her with a wooden stick that she described as 2 to 2 1/2 feet long and five inches in diameter. The complainant told police she hit the ground and the subject got on top of her and allegedly began hitting her on the right side of her head by hear ear several times. The woman stated she attempted to get back up, but the suspect knocked her back down and allegedly hit her several more times.
The complainant stated the suspect then got her between his legs, allegedly twisted her neck and stated, "I'll (expletive) kill you," before the woman managed to get away and ran to the fitness center to call 9-1-1.
Reports indicated the woman's injuries included a black and blue left eye, cuts across the bridge of her nose, cuts under her right eye, scratches on the right side of her neck, cuts on her right shoulder, a cut on her right inner thigh, cuts on her left arm, red marks all over her face and just about all over her body. The alleged victim was interviewed by authorities at the emergency room and gave a description of her alleged attacker.
The suspect was located near the Ouita boat ramp across Lake Front Drive from Washburn Park, according to reports. After driving through the park and down Parkway behind the park, officers came back to the boat ramp area and observed a man fitting the description coming from the direction of BONA DEA Trails.
One officer later observed motion in the water where something very large had entered the water. Upon further inspection, the officer could see the suspect hiding in water around grass, and called for the man to exit the water twice. After more police arrived and the suspect was advised to exit the water a third time, the man stated, "Okay, I'm coming out," and was arrested.
The suspect, who police say had been previously arrested for breaking and entering in a vehicle last December, was transported to the police station and interviewed by the department's Criminal Investigation Division.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Loretta:
There has to be more to this story then this. This is such a bizarre attack. The story doesn't mention any intent GD had or why he didn't carry through with what ever it was. She was dazed by the hit and all, and I can't imagine her being able to physically dealing with him and getting away. Just plain weird.

[lorettalockhorn]

I feel like we're missing something here too, but can't put my finger on it. Maybe because the story is so poorly written? For one thing, I can see that there would have been cuts on the victim's face from being beaten with his fists. But what about the other cuts? Did he carry some sort of weapon to cut her with (as Nona was)? If so, wouldn't the jury have been swayed by that as far as deadly intent goes?

Thank God The Bona Dea victim got away. But how? Did she hit him with his stick? I suppose it's possible that we may have to wait until his trial to hear the details of this attack.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh my. My post with the link and the story stretched out the board? So sorry. We need about seventeen more bumps to get this to the next page.

[sweetgranny]

This stick he used was 2-21/2 feet long and 5 inches in diameter! 5 in. is HUGE.... bigger than a baseball bat. I can't imagine that cuts and bruises is all she had:confused:

[JR2007]

This stick he used was 2-21/2 feet long and 5 inches in diameter! 5 in. is HUGE.... bigger than a baseball bat. I can't imagine that cuts and bruises is all she had:confused:

Indeed 5 inches is big, it's not a stick it's a log. A 2 liter of coke is 4" in diameter. ( before I get jumped on about pushing coke, the other brands, 2 liter bottles, are also 4" in diameter:tongue:

[JR2007]

I feel like we're missing something here too, but can't put my finger on it. Maybe because the story is so poorly written? For one thing, I can see that there would have been cuts on the victim's face from being beaten with his fists. But what about the other cuts? Did he carry some sort of weapon to cut her with (as Nona was)? If so, wouldn't the jury have been swayed by that as far as deadly intent goes?

Thank God The Bona Dea victim got away. But how? Did she hit him with his stick? I suppose it's possible that we may have to wait until his trial to hear the details of this attack.

I doubt the judge will allow this information to be brought up at trial.

[FDInLaw]

I doubt the judge will allow this information to be brought up at trial.

This is something I've been wondering too. . . how much will the jury hear about Bona Dea?

[TJEddie]

"And Dunn has a criminal past. He was convicted in 2003 for beating up a jogger in Russellville, but that evidence may never make it to trial because of the fifth amendment.
"That right guards him from having to take the stand and second, they can not ask about his prior crimes if he doesn't take the stand," said UALR Professor of Criminology Charles Chastain."

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=103421

[lorettalockhorn]

I doubt the judge will allow this information to be brought up at trial.

You're probably exactly right. Look at all the Kevin Story that wasn't allowed in (the first trial).

Thanks for the link, Eddie!

[SaraSidle]

You're probably exactly right. Look at all the Kevin Story that wasn't allowed in (the first trial).

Thanks for the link, Eddie!

ITA It will not be allowed into evidence which is to bad since the MO's are similar. IMO

[sololobo]

I wonder what Dunn's defense was during the Bona Dea trial? He took an anger management course before the trial. Why take it to trial? Why not plea bargain? He either had some sort of defense for the crime or his lawyer thought he could convince the jury of a lesser crime than attempted murder, which he did. I cannot think of any plausable "excuse" for attacking a woman the way he did at Bona Dea.

[SaraSidle]

On the trail, Dunn was waiting for a victim. He used I suppose whatever he could get his hands on in order to render his victim unconscious or at least unable to fight back. He didn't do a very good job.

Fast forward. He's living in the same apartment complex as Nona. Notices her. Nice looking girl. Friendly. I might have a chance.

Goes to her apartment. Rings doorbell /knocks on door. She expects him/expects someone else.. Answers door in a towel/robe. He enters and attacks her straight away? Propositions her, is knocked back then attacks her? From what I read here it doesn't appear that she had sexual intercourse before her death. Then why the condom on the counter?

Do you think Dunn was smart enough to stage her body with the condom?
Do you think Dunn is a patsy waiting to be tried?


I think he was careless and wanted to get out before someone came over. Also she may have been screaming to alert neighbors and that is another reason to leave. IMO

[Brown hound]

I think he was careless and wanted to get out before someone came over. Also she may have been screaming to alert neighbors and that is another reason to leave. IMO

Does anyone know if Nona had a lot of visitors at her apartment? She was certainly very popular. If he had been watching her, he would surely have noticed. Maybe he was just trying to get out before anyone noticed him. Kevin had been there the night before. Maybe he was afraid he would return?

[FDInLaw]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"The next witness called was Laura Brown, a Pope County EMS paramedic who was dispatched to Dirksmeyer’s apartment Dec. 15.
When she entered the apartment, she said she saw a young man “straddling” a body in the dark room.
She said she turned on the lights and Jones, who was straddling Dirksmeyer’s body, was “screaming, talking, hysterical.” "

So, K.Jo, RW, and K.Jo's mom see Nona lying dead in the dark and no one turns on the lights?

Huh? When does the sun go down that time of year? Maybe it was considerably lighter when they first found the body and with all the emotion they just didn't notice how dark it had gotten. (This is just one of my bird-brained instant responses). Weird. Since it was right around the shortest day of the year I assume it was right around dusk when they found her. (???)

Astronomical Twilight occurred at 6:32 pm CST. This is as dark as its going to get:) The sliding door faces east. There is very little ambient light on the east side (street side). If there was any viable light, it had to be from a waning full moon.
Replying to Lane's question about Kevin's behavior (posted on Dunn's thread). . . I don't find it odd for a person to be in denial upon finding a loved one dead, or to try to resuscitate them. I do find it odd to do so in the dark. Also, the EMT had to ask Kevin to get off Nona. This is AFTER he had told a 911 operator that "I think she is dead." My opinion has been that it was important to Kevin that another person see him on Nona. . . again, staging the scene and legitimizing his presence there. JMO

[lane99]

1. If you came home and found a loved one in an apparently lifeless state, you wouldn't do anything to render assistance? Just in case your impression was wrong? Assuming you're not a doctor (who I suppose would know with more certainty than a layperson), don't you think it would at least be worth a try? In fact, even if you're correct, and they ARE clinically dead, even THEN there's still a chance you could revive them if you've had some first aid training.

Whether they were afraid the victim was dead or not, it's just not even remotely difficult to imagine that a person would do something to try and help at a time like that.

2. Besides which, didn't the accusation against Kevin Jones envision that he had killed her and left her apartment several hours PRIOR TO when he went there with his mother? Presumably with plenty of time in between to clean himself up. No?

A theory that he deliberately tried to contaminate himself to hide incriminating evidence doesn't make much sense unless it was a situation where he committed the murder and suddenly realized that, for whatever reason, he was not going to be able to leave without being seen. At that point he may have residue of the crime on him that he would not have had time to remove, and would have to explain away somehow.

[lorettalockhorn]

It should have been fairly obvious to KJ, JJ, and RW that Nona was indeed dead, even in the dark (or somewhat dark). The operator told Kevin to stay on the phone; maybe to ascertain if anyone in the room knew how to perform CPR. He disobeyed (for lack of a better word) and began a "resuscitation attempt" that theoretically could have done more harm than good and/or possibly even killed her had she not already been dead.

Not sure what's so hard to understand about Kevin wanting to contaminate himself with her blood, just in case his shower after the murder left behind any of her DNA. Time has nothing to do with that theory.

Oh. It must be that some of us think differently. Analyze differently. Or since it has been suggested that some people actually have an axe to grind when it comes to Kevin; maybe we can make a leap and wonder why some people go to extreme to refuse to understand how/why other people think/analyze.

[JR2007]

1. If you came home and found a loved one in an apparently lifeless state, you wouldn't do anything to render assistance? Just in case your impression was wrong? Assuming you're not a doctor (who I suppose would know with more certainty than a layperson), don't you think it would at least be worth a try? In fact, even if you're correct, and they ARE clinically dead, even THEN there's still a chance you could revive them if you've had some first aid training.

Whether they were afraid the victim was dead or not, it's just not even remotely difficult to imagine that a person would do something to try and help at a time like that.
.

A year or so ago I discussed the fact, with a Mortician, that KJ thought she may be alive when he found her. He told me it would have be obvious to the most ignorant person, after 5 to 6 hours and at the temperature in the room, she was dead. Remember he had to turn her over also, to administer CPR or whatever. Can you imagine the difficulty he had in doing this. Rigor would have made it like turning over a hundred and some pound mannikin, not easy. Her legs and arms, unless they were against her body would have contributed to making it more difficult also.

[sololobo]

Replying to Lane's question about Kevin's behavior (posted on Dunn's thread). . . I don't find it odd for a person to be in denial upon finding a loved one dead, or to try to resuscitate them. I do find it odd to do so in the dark. Also, the EMT had to ask Kevin to get off Nona. This is AFTER he had told a 911 operator that "I think she is dead." My opinion has been that it was important to Kevin that another person see him on Nona. . . again, staging the scene and legitimizing his presence there. JMO

Kevin's behavior would be considered bizarre only if one first assumed he killed her. If he didn't kill her, Kevin's behavior was with-in parameters of extreme grief. I have seen extreme grief. I have seen a mother clutching the lifeless, mangled body of her infant toddler, crushed under the wheels of a feed truck, hysterically screaming, crying, wailing. It took four grown men to pry the dead body of that child from her maternal grasp. I have seen a father, when informed his son was killed in Vietnam, running up and down the street, hysterically screaming, crying, wailing, pulling wads of hair from his head. I did not consider Kevin's behavior bizarre. If Kevin had been proven guilty to my satisfaction, then and only then would I consider it bizarre.

I understand why those who believed Kevin did it thought his behavior odd. But please understand why those of us who were unsure of his guilt found nothing at all odd about it.

There was enough light in the apartment for Whiteside to see the body from outside, enough light to call 911, enough light to read addresses from mail and enough light for the EMT to see Kevin, in extreme grief, on the body before she turned on the lights in the room.