Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for the heads up FD. Hope everyone is well and had a nice Holiday. :rose: For Nona
If this board shuts down for a few days, we still have a forum over on helpfindthemissing.org. Many of you signed up over there back in December.

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Howdy everyone!:seeya:

I obviously haven't been on here in a while. It looks like I have a lot of posts to go through.

Hope you all had a great 4th!

Great to see you again! :seeya: And everyone else too, of course. :beer:

[The R]

See how he has gone from being a casual lurker to being involved in the resolution of the case:


Hey! We may have the same guy over at the Tara forum! He has about 6 nics and they all talk to each other?

ALLMO,
R

[FDInLaw]

Hey! We may have the same guy over at the Tara forum! He has about 6 nics and they all talk to each other?

ALLMO,
RActually, we have a wacky woman that does that lol!

[SaraSidle]

Actually, we have a wacky woman that does that lol!


We got that at Tara. It is so time consuming because they keep making false statements and I do not know if they know they are false. But it is draining trying to give them the right information and links because they still argue. WHen new posters log on they must get disgusted and not hang around. I think that is too bad. All the reg posters who have been committed to finding Tara are so patient with wackos but I do not know how long that will last. IMO

[FDInLaw]

We got that at Tara. It is so time consuming because they keep making false statements and I do not know if they know they are false. But it is draining trying to give them the right information and links because they still argue. WHen new posters log on they must get disgusted and not hang around. I think that is too bad. All the reg posters who have been committed to finding Tara are so patient with wackos but I do not know how long that will last. IMO If someone is just trying to cause problems, use ignore. . . usually the multi-nic types are just posting for attention anyhow.

[FKfanMoe]

Thanks for the heads up FD. Hope everyone is well and had a nice Holiday. :rose: For Nona

Yeah that's what I thought when I recieved two emails " notifying" me someone was trying to hack my CourtTV account. Let's see, how much have I used this? Not very much. DUH!!

I wouldn't be suprised that the bogus courtTV email ( it did look real at first glance) is a sneakly little backdoor port attempt to get more sensitive passwords and account names.

I did smell a rat when I saw it. For once my procrastination helped.

Has this attempt been traced to the culprit? It feels like some sneak phish attempt to me.

:read:

[SaraSidle]

yes it is

[sololobo]

IIRC, Nona had three house cats. She also had an auto-cat feeder and a box at her front door for stray cats. I wonder what was her routine with the house cats. Did she ever let them outside and if so, out the back sliding door? What became of her three cats?

[hawgustusgloop]

IIRC, Nona had three house cats. She also had an auto-cat feeder and a box at her front door for stray cats. I wonder what was her routine with the house cats. Did she ever let them outside and if so, out the back sliding door? What became of her three cats?

Good question, sololobo. The talk about Nona caring for her cats is always very touching to me. The world has lost such a kindhearted person.

[FDInLaw]

IIRC, Nona had three house cats. She also had an auto-cat feeder and a box at her front door for stray cats. I wonder what was her routine with the house cats. Did she ever let them outside and if so, out the back sliding door? What became of her three cats?Where did you read/hear about the cats??? :read:

[sololobo]

Where did you read/hear about the cats??? :read:

It was in a Courier interview of Carol. Also, a picture of the front of Nona's apartment showed an auto-feeder and a cardboard box with rags in it. I've seen several beautiful photos of Nona on the net but this one truly depicted her inner beauty:)

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=10781&Search=carol%20dipert

[sololobo]

IIRC, Nona had three house cats. She also had an auto-cat feeder and a box at her front door for stray cats. I wonder what was her routine with the house cats. Did she ever let them outside and if so, out the back sliding door? What became of her three cats?

If Nona was in the habit of letting the cats outside, she may not have as security conscious as she was normally. She might not replace the blue stick or even lock the sliding door if she was planning to let the cats back in soon.

[TJEddie]

Hi, solo. Your speculation about unsecured doors makes sense to me. Given the personal nature of the crime, Nona allowing the person in also makes sense to me. However, in the case against Kevin, much was made about Kevin having a key to the apartment. Mark Frost mentioned it in the probable cause statement, David Gibbons mentioned it in his opening statements, and it was apparently one of the first things mentioned by Carol Dipert when she was interviewed at the courthouse immediately following the verdict. For some reason, access to a key seemed to be an important factor to people who were most familiar with the details of the crime. I wonder if there was some evidence of how the killer came and went that was never made public.

[sololobo]

Hi, solo. Your speculation about unsecured doors makes sense to me. Given the personal nature of the crime, Nona allowing the person in also makes sense to me. However, in the case against Kevin, much was made about Kevin having a key to the apartment. Mark Frost mentioned it in the probable cause statement, David Gibbons mentioned it in his opening statements, and it was apparently one of the first things mentioned by Carol Dipert when she was interviewed at the courthouse immediately following the verdict. For some reason, access to a key seemed to be an important factor to people who were most familiar with the details of the crime. I wonder if there was some evidence of how the killer came and went that was never made public.


If there was hard evidence a key was used, it would have been presented at the trial. If there were indications otherwise, surely the defense would have been told. There are probably many small details about the crime not mentioned in the trial that would have no bearing on Kevin's involvement. Also, details not deemed relevant to the investigators at the time might prove important in the new investigation. From what I've read about Stacie Rhoads, she has a keen eye for detail. I believe she will solve this case but finding enough evidence for a conviction may take awhile.

[hawgustusgloop]

If there was hard evidence a key was used, it would have been presented at the trial.

IMO it would be difficult to produce 'hard evidence' a key had been used if no one noticed the killer using it and he took it with him.

[TJEddie]

Well, just because I enjoy the mental exercise.....

The probable cause statement indicates that both doors were locked at the time of discovery. The slider is twice described as being consistent with having been locked "from inside." IIRC, there was no deadbolt on the front door. I'm not that familiar with different kinds of door locks.....is it possible that a key would have been required in order to exit the apartment leaving both doors locked?

As for why the 3 key theory wasn't pursued during the trial, I can think of a number of possible reasons.

solo, I do agree with your assessment of Stacie Rhoads and I would say the same of Jack McQuary. I share your optimism for an eventual resolution. Anyway, glad to see I'm not the only one still pondering the details of this case.

[hawgustusgloop]

Well, just because I enjoy the mental exercise.....

The probable cause statement indicates that both doors were locked at the time of discovery. The slider is twice described as being consistent with having been locked "from inside." IIRC, there was no deadbolt on the front door. I'm not that familiar with different kinds of door locks.....is it possible that a key would have been required in order to exit the apartment leaving both doors locked?

As for why the 3 key theory wasn't pursued during the trial, I can think of a number of possible reasons.

solo, I do agree with your assessment of Stacie Rhoads and I would say the same of Jack McQuary. I share your optimism for an eventual resolution. Anyway, glad to see I'm not the only one still pondering the details of this case.

Well, if the sliding door was locked, it was still not too hard for Kevin & Co. to force it open...so, maybe the killer could have locked it but still forcibly closed it after removing the stick? Sliding doors suck like that. We had one at our old house which was harder to open when locked, but you could still open it with some effort. Maybe Nona's door was the same way? Maybe that's why she used the stick?

[SaraSidle]

Sorry about the double above my PC may be coming down with something!!!

Beemeup duplicates happen often. For some reason we have been noticing it takes a very long time once in a while to send a post. I do not know why.

[lorettalockhorn]

It was in a Courier interview of Carol. Also, a picture of the front of Nona's apartment showed an auto-feeder and a cardboard box with rags in it. I've seen several beautiful photos of Nona on the net but this one truly depicted her inner beauty:)

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=10781&Search=carol%20dipert

Thanks so much for posting; don't think I'd ever read that article.

About the key. I'm not sure how it would be determined that one was used that day by the killer unless (s)he is found with one in her/his possession and (s)he admits to having used it. And I would wonder how (s)he got a copy; surely not from Carol and why would Nona give a copy to someone who either rarely used it, or was seemingly never observed to have used it? I supposed Kevin could have had a copy made easily enough or someone could have lifted his copy. Obviously, he didn't always carry it since he didn't have it the night he had to break in.

About that break in. Didn't Kevin demonstrate to RPD how easily the slider was "bumped" open? Like maybe he had done it before, maybe when he and/or Nona had been locked out before? Is that how the front door frame got scratched up sometime in the past? From someone legitimately trying to get in without a key? Did the manager not have a key?

[TJEddie]

My point was that maybe the issue was not how the killer got in, but rather how he left. According to the PCS, both doors were apparently locked at the time of discovery. Some doors can be pre-set to lock when you close them behind you, but others require using a key from the outside.

[lorettalockhorn]

The three keys that Carol knew about have apparently been accounted for (whether they were used to enter, or lock up when leaving.) Who's key was copied and given to the murderer (assuming it wasn't THE key that Nona gave Kevin)?

[FDInLaw]

My point was that maybe the issue was not how the killer got in, but rather how he left. According to the PCS, both doors were apparently locked at the time of discovery. Some doors can be pre-set to lock when you close them behind you, but others require using a key from the outside.
Good question. I wonder??? :shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

Good question. I wonder??? :shrug:

I always imagined that the stick was in the door at the time of the murder and the killer came in through the front door, whether Nona let him in or he used a key. I'm just guessing that the killer took the stick so he could leave through the back door and 'lock' it for some reason.

IF Nona's door lock was pre-set to lock automatically as TJEddie suggested, then I could imagine the door being damaged from the tenant trying to get in. It seems like anyone would inadvertently lock her keys in more than once. In that case, it would make perfect sense for Kevin to already know how easy it was to gain entry into her apartment. BUT...if Nona always used the stick, how would they have ever been able to 'break' in? Or maybe they had tried before but were unsuccessful due to the stick. Or maybe Kevin was doing Nona a service by checking how secure her apartment was?

Also, I wonder if Nona's door had a peephole or one of those little chain lock things on it? Anyone know?

[SaraSidle]

All I know is that sliders are easy to break into. I know nothing about the other door and that info would be helpful. It would narrow down whether Nona let someone in or he had his own key and locked it whan he left. It would help determine if she knew the perp or not. IMO

beemeup........I love house too. I never miss a show. I worked at a big well know hospital and we never had a "house" . I will have to remember that next time I go to the ER

[TJEddie]

IMO, the only way that possession of a key would have been significant in Kevin's case was if a key was required to lock up after the crime. Implying that Kevin needed a key to gain entrance just doesn't make sense to me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Not sure that I understand your post. (It's late when you haven't slept!)

According to Carol Kevin had a key, and I think I've read that he has since returned it. If the apartment was locked when Kevin arrived, he would/could have used the key to get in, if for instance, Nona was in the shower, on the potty, or upstairs and didn't know that he was there. Plenty of reasons for him to have used a key to get in. It makes much less sense for someone else besides the three known keyholders to have a key.

[sololobo]

Not sure that I understand your post. (It's late when you haven't slept!)

According to Carol Kevin had a key, and I think I've read that he has since returned it. If the apartment was locked when Kevin arrived, he would/could have used the key to get in, if for instance, Nona was in the shower, on the potty, or upstairs and didn't know that he was there. Plenty of reasons for him to have used a key to get in. It makes much less sense for someone else besides the three known keyholders to have a key.

Nona would have let "cuddlemuffin" in. Kevin's possession of a key would be meaningless unless it had to be used to lock the front door when leaving. She would have let him in eventually. The vast majority of door knobs can be locked without a key. Unless this was a rare one which needed a key to be locked from the outside, why would Kevin's key be an issue?

[lorettalockhorn]

Nona would have let "cuddlemuffin" in. Kevin's possession of a key would be meaningless unless it had to be used to lock the front door when leaving. She would have let him in eventually. The vast majority of door knobs can be locked without a key. Unless this was a rare one which needed a key to be locked from the outside, why would Kevin's key be an issue?

Nona could have been in the shower, or on the potty, or upstairs, or in any number of ways indisposed and not even known that Kevin was unannounced at the door.

I think I said that last night.

...If the apartment was locked when Kevin arrived, he would/could have used the key to get in, if for instance, Nona was in the shower, on the potty, or upstairs and didn't know that he was there. Plenty of reasons for him to have used a key to get in. It makes much less sense for someone else besides the three known keyholders to have a key.

Why yes, yes I did.

[TJEddie]

loretta, I understand that in the event that Nona was somehow indisposed, Kevin would have been able to get in with his key. My question is, why is that significant? Is there any evidence at all that that's what happened? How does that make Kevin more suspect?

[hawgustusgloop]

loretta, I understand that in the event that Nona was somehow indisposed, Kevin would have been able to get in with his key. My question is, why is that significant? Is there any evidence at all that that's what happened? How does that make Kevin more suspect?

I thought there was some evidence? speculation? that Nona's hair and/or her shower were wet. Maybe Kevin could have let himself in and helped himself to Nona's email, went through her trash, text messages, whatever while she was still in the shower. Maybe he was REALLY mad about what he discovered. Perhaps he just attacked her as she came downstairs to get some clean clothes, and that is why she didn't fight back. She was stunned.

I am curious to know if the evidence supports her being in the shower shortly before her murder. I also wonder how easy or difficult it would be to break in to her apartment if the missing stick was in place, since obviously it wasn't too difficult when it was not.

I don't think the fact that he had a key makes him look any more suspect. The fact that he had a key and didn't bring it with him just in case, even though he was SUPER URGENTLY WORRIED that her life was in danger is pretty bizarre, though.

[lorettalockhorn]

loretta, I understand that in the event that Nona was somehow indisposed, Kevin would have been able to get in with his key. My question is, why is that significant? Is there any evidence at all that that's what happened? How does that make Kevin more suspect?

I don't know how to answer any better than Hawg did. Don't know about any evidence. Heck, I don't even know Stacie R and Jack McQ like some of y'all do, and the golf guys aren't posting.

I'll add that at this point, Kevin can't be made more suspect to me. Just trying to point out the obvious to any new posters and add my two cents about a key, which is the topic, while we tread water. So to speak.

[TJEddie]

I thought there was some evidence? speculation? that Nona's hair and/or her shower were wet. Maybe Kevin could have let himself in and helped himself to Nona's email, went through her trash, text messages, whatever while she was still in the shower. Maybe he was REALLY mad about what he discovered. Perhaps he just attacked her as she came downstairs to get some clean clothes, and that is why she didn't fight back. She was stunned.

I am curious to know if the evidence supports her being in the shower shortly before her murder. I also wonder how easy or difficult it would be to break in to her apartment if the missing stick was in place, since obviously it wasn't too difficult when it was not.

I don't think the fact that he had a key makes him look any more suspect. The fact that he had a key and didn't bring it with him just in case, even though he was SUPER URGENTLY WORRIED that her life was in danger is pretty bizarre, though.

Wow, you cover a lot of territory in that post, hawg!

Yes, Nona's shower was apparently wet at the time of discovery. Mark Frost apparently testified to this and took pictures per one of Christina's courtroom reports. You can find the discussion of it on pg.142 this thread. I agree with loretta's assessment at the time that a wet shower 6-8 hrs. after the time of death is important. A number of things have lead me to wonder if perhaps the killer came back to the apartment later to work on the scene.....the wet shower is one of those things.

My personal opinion on Nona's apparent failure to defend herself is not that she was stunned, whether physically or psychologically. I believe her failure to fight back speaks to her relationship with her killer and her instincts on how to best deal with that person's rage. I do think Nona knew her killer.

IMO, Nona's socks and the inside out clothes on the floor beside her argue against her having been in the shower when the killer arrived. I guess it's possible that all of that was staging.....but why put socks on her?

As for Kevin not having his key, I seem to recall that he was driving his father's truck to the party and thus didn't have his own keys with him. It was my impression that Kevin's panic didn't really kick in until he learned that Nona's car was at her apartment and she wasn't answering the door. That's all a matter of speculation, of course.

[TJEddie]

I don't know how to answer any better than Hawg did. Don't know about any evidence. Heck, I don't even know Stacie R and Jack McQ like some of y'all do, and the golf guys aren't posting.

I'll add that at this point, Kevin can't be made more suspect to me. Just trying to point out the obvious to any new posters and add my two cents about a key, which is the topic, while we tread water. So to speak.

My knowledge of Stacie Rhoads and Jack McQuary comes from Google.....not a lot of info there, but enough to give me a very favorable impression.

Treading water......ha! Good description.

[sololobo]

Nona could have been in the shower, or on the potty, or upstairs, or in any number of ways indisposed and not even known that Kevin was unannounced at the door.

I think I said that last night.



Why yes, yes I did.

Nona would have let Kevin in, key or no key. If he didn't have a key, she would eventually let him in after finishing whatever upstairs if that were the case. His key was meaningless if not needed to lock the front door from the outside. If someone she didn't want in her apartment had a key, that would merit interest.

[sololobo]

A wet shower after 6 to 8 hours is indeed important. A drying test of the shower might have been useful. If an unknown person killed Nona, we have no way of knowing how long he may have stayed. Might he have been waiting for darkness to exit unseen? All we know for sure is he wasn't there when the body was discovered. Could he have rinsed something upstairs in the shower, maybe even showered blood off himself?

[sololobo]

Below is part of a Courier interview of Glenn Owen. Perhaps it needs re-visiting.

"A disorganized killer is usually below average in intelligence or average with an IQ between 80 and 95, but any indication of a staged crime scene signals an organized killer and ups the probable IQ of the murderer.
The killer probably works at a low-skilled job making only minimum wage.
He is usually socially inadequate, lives alone or with an older family member and usually does not date. He will tend to go out after dark, but maintains minimum contact with people outside his family.
The killer works or lives close to the crime scene. If he owns a car, it will be a "clunker" car or truck that is not well maintained.
He will have minimal interest in the news but probably has at least a high school education.
He likes to have hiding places for special things.
A disorganized killer kills at one site and does not attempt to conceal the body.
The victim is usually left in plain sight. He usually leaves the body intact with any sexually sadistic acts occurring after death.
This profile, which is not an official police profile, was first presented to The Courier in February." Courier

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=11883&Search=glenn%20owen

[hawgustusgloop]

If someone she didn't want in her apartment had a key, that would merit interest.

She might NOT have wanted Kevin in her apartment unsupervised, though, or at least not until she had the chance to hide anything that might cause him to fly off the handle at her.

[hawgustusgloop]

Below is part of a Courier interview of Glenn Owen. Perhaps it needs re-visiting.

"A disorganized killer is usually below average in intelligence or average with an IQ between 80 and 95, but any indication of a staged crime scene signals an organized killer and ups the probable IQ of the murderer.
The killer probably works at a low-skilled job making only minimum wage.
He is usually socially inadequate, lives alone or with an older family member and usually does not date. He will tend to go out after dark, but maintains minimum contact with people outside his family.
The killer works or lives close to the crime scene. If he owns a car, it will be a "clunker" car or truck that is not well maintained.
He will have minimal interest in the news but probably has at least a high school education.
He likes to have hiding places for special things.
A disorganized killer kills at one site and does not attempt to conceal the body.
The victim is usually left in plain sight. He usually leaves the body intact with any sexually sadistic acts occurring after death.
This profile, which is not an official police profile, was first presented to The Courier in February." Courier

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=11883&Search=glenn%20owen
Interesting. Sort of. I encourage anyone who has read the above post to click the link and check out all the caveats in that article.

[lorettalockhorn]

Nona would have let Kevin in, key or no key. If he didn't have a key, she would eventually let him in after finishing whatever upstairs if that were the case. His key was meaningless if not needed to lock the front door from the outside. If someone she didn't want in her apartment had a key, that would merit interest.

Kevin would have stood outside the door on a chilly December morning, not knowing how long it would take Nona to let him in? When he had his own key? That had been given to him for the purpose of letting himself in? I don't see it. Or I'm not getting something here.

Curious as to why the key and it's purpose with regard to its necessity wasn't brought up at trial. Maybe we will learn more from the new investigation. But for people to deny that Kevin would use the key to get in or lock up on his way out, is ridiculous in my opinion. If he was only ever in the apartment when Nona was there to let him in, he wouldn't have needed a key to begin with.

Wondering how anyone besides the three legitimate keyholders would have gotten a copy.

[sololobo]

Kevin would have stood outside the door on a chilly December morning, not knowing how long it would take Nona to let him in? When he had his own key? That had been given to him for the purpose of letting himself in? I don't see it. Or I'm not getting something here.

Curious as to why the key and it's purpose with regard to its necessity wasn't brought up at trial. Maybe we will learn more from the new investigation. But for people to deny that Kevin would use the key to get in or lock up on his way out, is ridiculous in my opinion. If he was only ever in the apartment when Nona was there to let him in, he wouldn't have needed a key to begin with.

Wondering how anyone besides the three legitimate keyholders would have gotten a copy.

No one is denying he would use the key. He didn't need a key to get in Nona's apartment. She would let him in.

A. Kevin knocks on door. Nona let's him in. He is in the apartment.

B. Kevin knocks on door. Nona is in the shower. He uses his key to enter the apartment. He is in the apartment.

Either way he is in the apartment. It probably wasn't brought up in the trial because he could have gained entrance either way.

[TJEddie]

solo, I found the Gary Owens article interesting. The article got me to rethinking some of the possible behavioral clues left behind by the killer. Although it was reported that RPD had consulted with the FBI Behavioral Analysis team, no official report or testimony was ever offered.....and it seems the prosecution discarded at least part of the analysis in formulating their motive. Maybe the current investigation will include a more thorough and comprehensive examination of what the crime scene might say about Nona's killer. A few things come to my mind that may or may not be important.....

1) I've already mentioned Nona's apparent failure to defend herself from this person's attack, even through beating, choking, slicing, stabbing and eventual bludgeoning. What might this say about Nona's relationship to or view of her killer?

2) Nona's multiple injuries were all to her face, mouth, neck and head.....very personal and possibly significant to her being a singer and/or a beauty queen?

3) The shallow slices to Nona's neck were very similar to those Nona inflicted on herself as a self mutilator. Was the killer perhaps someone who knew of this behavior and was perhaps taunting her with it?

4) The wet shower.....is it possible that the murder and the clean up/scene staging were done at different times during the day? According to Gary Owens' comments, the two seem to be reflective of two different mind sets.

5) Regardless of whether a key was needed or not, the killer apparently took some care to leave both doors locked upon exiting.....and left the body visible through the blinds. What might that say about the type of person who did this?

Just some of my mental meanderings on a Saturday morning.....others may or may not find them interesting.....

[sololobo]

solo, I found the Gary Owens article interesting. The article got me to rethinking some of the possible behavioral clues left behind by the killer. Although it was reported that RPD had consulted with the FBI Behavioral Analysis team, no official report or testimony was ever offered.....and it seems the prosecution discarded at least part of the analysis in formulating their motive. Maybe the current investigation will include a more thorough and comprehensive examination of what the crime scene might say about Nona's killer. A few things come to my mind that may or may not be important.....

1) I've already mentioned Nona's apparent failure to defend herself from this person's attack, even through beating, choking, slicing, stabbing and eventual bludgeoning. What might this say about Nona's relationship to or view of her killer?

2) Nona's multiple injuries were all to her face, mouth, neck and head.....very personal and possibly significant to her being a singer and/or a beauty queen?

3) The shallow slices to Nona's neck were very similar to those Nona inflicted on herself as a self mutilator. Was the killer perhaps someone who knew of this behavior and was perhaps taunting her with it?

4) The wet shower.....is it possible that the murder and the clean up/scene staging were done at different times during the day? According to Gary Owens' comments, the two seem to be reflective of two different mind sets.

5) Regardless of whether a key was needed or not, the killer apparently took some care to leave both doors locked upon exiting.....and left the body visible through the blinds. What might that say about the type of person who did this?

Just some of my mental meanderings on a Saturday morning.....others may or may not find them interesting.....


IIRC, the FBI analyzed Kevin's possible involvement with the crime. An analysis of the crime scene only may indeed shed light on this case.

All of your points are definitely possible. There are many possibilities, though. A crime scene analysis could point in the right direction. Below are a few more possibilities.

The initial blows to the head may have rendered Nona unable to aggressively defend herself. She may have been only able to react nominally and/or instinctually to subsequent attacks.

Most physical attacks intended to disable a victim center around the head area. The injuries to the throat may have kept her from screaming and the cuts and stabs may have been to coerce her into silence.

We don't know the drying time of the shower under those conditions that day. The shower is still there and this still could be tested if the thermal and humidity conditions could be duplicated. This could be very important.

The lights downstairs were turned off, probably by the killer. Perhaps he didn't realize the upstairs light would illuminate the living room enough to see the body after dark.

[TJEddie]

All valid arguments, solo. One of my favorite quotes from you (on the crime scene analysis thread, I believe) was something about anything out of place being important to a crime scene analysis. The locked doors, the wet shower, the thermostat being turned down, the bloody candle, the greeting card beside the body......none of those little details seemed to play a significant role in the case against Kevin. It will be interesting to see if any of them turn out to be significant in the new investigation.

[sololobo]

All valid arguments, solo. One of my favorite quotes from you (on the crime scene analysis thread, I believe) was something about anything out of place being important to a crime scene analysis. The locked doors, the wet shower, the thermostat being turned down, the bloody candle, the greeting card beside the body......none of those little details seemed to play a significant role in the case against Kevin. It will be interesting to see if any of them turn out to be significant in the new investigation.

Also, Nona's daily routines may have a slight importance....did she lock the door when taking out trash or checking the mailbox? Was she in the habit of letting her cats out and not locking the door (no pet psychic needed, just ask those who knew her well:))?

[FDInLaw]

Also, Nona's daily routines may have a slight importance....did she lock the door when taking out trash or checking the mailbox? Was she in the habit of letting her cats out and not locking the door (no pet psychic needed, just ask those who knew her well:))?But, but. . . we want a pet psychic! :flamemad:









:biggrin::tongue::hat:

[jeremiads]

I think a pet psychic would be just as accurate as anyone else trying to discern Nona's day-to-day habits without having some sort of direct observation.

[sololobo]

But, but. . . we want a pet psychic! :flamemad:









:biggrin::tongue::hat:

Lol:) In this day and age, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a 1-900 number for a "pet psychic hotline" Hmmm....there may even be a "cell phone psychic" who can conjur up an explanation for the missing cell phone battery...for a nominal fee:)

[Amy]

Lol:) In this day and age, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a 1-900 number for a "pet psychic hotline" Hmmm....there may even be a "cell phone psychic" who can conjur up an explanation for the missing cell phone battery...for a nominal fee:)


Well, let's go for the gold w/the psychics!!! Wonder what you would call a stick psychic?

[FDInLaw]

The topic of psychics came up on another CL forum recently, and this link was posted:

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...cs-insert.html


Good article by David Lohr on the subject (IMO). :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, let's go for the gold w/the psychics!!! Wonder what you would call a stick psychic?

Prognostickator??

[Amy]

Prognostickator??


Priceless!!!! :beer:

[SaraSidle]

Priceless!!!! :beer:

Amy do you have a depressed stick?

[FDInLaw]

Amy do you have a depressed stick?The stick from the sliding glass door is missing from the crime scene. :read:

[upallnight]

Still praying for Justice For Nona.............

[TAT84]

Hey Everyone!!

Giving you all a little heads up. Tonight at 10 we will have an interview with Kevin Jones. He emailed my work (Channel 7 KATV) about how Arkansas Tech will not allow him to attend classes there but other universities in the state would. So we are going to do a little piece about it. There will be little information about Nona's case but I thought it was interesting. Hope eveyone has a great day.

[jeremiads]

Hey Everyone!!

Giving you all a little heads up. Tonight at 10 we will have an interview with Kevin Jones. He emailed my work (Channel 7 KATV) about how Arkansas Tech will not allow him to attend classes there but other universities in the state would. So we are going to do a little piece about it. There will be little information about Nona's case but I thought it was interesting. Hope eveyone has a great day.I won't be tuning in because he doesn't deserve this amount of coverage.

That said, I'm laughing at the idea that Kevin is being discriminated against by ATU, yet we haven't heard about a discrimination lawsuit that should be easily won.

I hope this interview actually has some journalism behind it and isn't like the crap that was on these stations during the trial.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Everyone!!

Giving you all a little heads up. Tonight at 10 we will have an interview with Kevin Jones. He emailed my work (Channel 7 KATV) about how Arkansas Tech will not allow him to attend classes there but other universities in the state would. So we are going to do a little piece about it. There will be little information about Nona's case but I thought it was interesting. Hope eveyone has a great day.

Lawsy I would love to see the letter of refusal that Tech sent him.

Congrats on all that's new with you.

[upallnight]

Hey Everyone!!

Giving you all a little heads up. Tonight at 10 we will have an interview with Kevin Jones. He emailed my work (Channel 7 KATV) about how Arkansas Tech will not allow him to attend classes there but other universities in the state would. So we are going to do a little piece about it. There will be little information about Nona's case but I thought it was interesting. Hope eveyone has a great day.

They still have no one else as a suspect to date that I know of. IMO-Go Tech! And why is he going to Tech to become an attorney? I did not think Tech was the place to do that and someone else just said the same thing. Really, why does he want the attention. He emailed channel 7, why does he want to go there with everything that has happened anyway? I am sure many people still view him as guilty. He said other colleges would take him, why not go to one of them. Maybe that is what he wanted to do, have them deny him so he could contact ch 7 and get on TV. Guess he thinks he is looked at as not guilty by all. This is not true, it was just the decision of the jury and many still think he is guilty. Still waiting on that new evidence / dna match, until then-I see KJ as the right person charged with Nona's murder! Lord KJ, cry me a river!

[lorettalockhorn]

So Kev got two letters; one which stated that his transcript was incomplete (which he since updated), and another that stated that he could be viewed as some sort of possible security risk. Makes sense to me in a nebulous sort of way.

Who knows why he wants to be at Tech? To save money? To be in the bosom of his family? To be enrolled in Tech's ace pre-law program? To be closer to the girl he was harassing when he was last (known) arrested? It's a mystery.

[hawgustusgloop]

Well I guess it is all coming full circle for Kevin. He is now apparently eager to get into the school he was once so eager to get away from.

[hawgustusgloop]

From KATV's site:

"Jones, who made the dean's list last semester, says he wants to be a lawyer and willl keep pushing toward his goal."

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0808/545456.html



Can anyone find his name on this list? I went through it but the names all kind of ran together after awhile.

http://www.uafortsmith.edu/News/Index?skin=&storyid=2109

[lorettalockhorn]

Hawg. don't remember seeing him on the Dean's list ever (not since he was reputed to be attending UAFS) when it was published in the ArDemGaz.

>>(Jones) "That's how it feels. That's how it feels. It feels like if this didn't happen to me, they would have let me in."

Hard to know what to say to such an outrageous remark.

[jeremiads]

I've done a complete 180 and feel for Kevin. I can't believe the things that people have subjected him to and I'd like to make it up to him with a personal hot stone massage and a candle-lit dinner.

Honestly, if he's going for PR, he should probably have someone sell off some more property for him and get him a proper agent, because this ain't cuttin' it. Sorry bud, but I don't think a single person in the area is going to be crying tears over ATU's rejection of what I would agree would be a security threat.

Hell, as someone still attending ATU, I object just because I'd like to keep my sanity, and having this creature on campus would probably affect that.

Edit: I just realized how mean my post sounded. I hope he doesn't schedule an interview with any of the local television stations, especially the one his brother used to (or still does) work at. I better start drafting up a "rejection of humanity" letter

[hawgustusgloop]

I've done a complete 180 and feel for Kevin. I can't believe the things that people have subjected him to and I'd like to make it up to him with a personal hot stone massage and a candle-lit dinner.

Honestly, if he's going for PR, he should probably have someone sell off some more property for him and get him a proper agent, because this ain't cuttin' it. Sorry bud, but I don't think a single person in the area is going to be crying tears over ATU's rejection of what I would agree would be a security threat.

Hell, as someone still attending ATU, I object just because I'd like to keep my sanity, and having this creature on campus would probably affect that.

Edit: I just realized how mean my post sounded. I hope he doesn't schedule an interview with any of the local television stations, especially the one his brother used to (or still does) work at. I better start drafting up a "rejection of humanity" letter

Hey, now that you mention it, I wonder why Russell didn't get this 'scoop'? Did anyone watch KFSM last night? Was this featured?

[FDInLaw]

I've done a complete 180 and feel for Kevin. I can't believe the things that people have subjected him to and I'd like to make it up to him with a personal hot stone massage and a candle-lit dinner.

Honestly, if he's going for PR, he should probably have someone sell off some more property for him and get him a proper agent, because this ain't cuttin' it. Sorry bud, but I don't think a single person in the area is going to be crying tears over ATU's rejection of what I would agree would be a security threat.

Hell, as someone still attending ATU, I object just because I'd like to keep my sanity, and having this creature on campus would probably affect that.

Edit: I just realized how mean my post sounded. I hope he doesn't schedule an interview with any of the local television stations, especially the one his brother used to (or still does) work at. I better start drafting up a "rejection of humanity" letterWake up on the snarky side of the bed this morning??? :D LOL!

I agree, this is a poor attempt at PR. Imagine the public's outrage if another student ended up dead??? Personally, I don't understand why Kevin would want to go to Tech. If I were him Tech would be the last place I would want to go. IMO it is good all around that he is not attending there.

The stark reality is this. . . until another person is convicted of Nona's death (beyond a reasonable doubt), Kevin will continue to be a suspect. I think JJ realizes this, since she has made efforts to find the real killer at monetary expense to them. IMO this is a more productive road for the Jones family to continue down.

It does seem like forever since there was any news. . . it's hard to sit and wait. One thing we know for sure, this is not a closed case. We are also cognizant of the poor job the original investigation did. I'm sure the present one has a number of hurdles as a result. I almost wonder if there were important witnesses that were overlooked. To those reading, if you spent time with Nona during the last few months before her death and have not spoken with investigators, why not check in with them? Who was Nona hanging out with? What was going on with her? Again, this case is not closed. . . someone may know something valuable and not realize it. Just a thought.

Justice for Nona! :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Leroy watches KFSM, I usually run screaming from the room when Bridiot Bonds comes on. Surely he would have mentioned this story though. This was posted on their website this morning:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=8864266

It does make you wonder if Kevin only emailed channel 7, or all the local stations.

[jeremiads]

Leroy watches KFSM, I usually run screaming from the room when Bridiot Bonds comes on. Surely he would have mentioned this story though. This was posted on their website this morning:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=8864266

It does make you wonder if Kevin only emailed channel 7, or all the local stations.That article is great. He's going to appeal the decision to join the fall semester? Really? The fall semester where the classes begin tomorrow and everyone moved back into the dorms last Friday? Good luck with that!

You know, even if someone else is arrested and actually convicted with enough evidence to prove it, Kevin isn't going to be innocent in my eyes. The last time I checked, his innocence would have stood without the slander and lies about other people. Weird how that works.

[jeremiads]

Wake up on the snarky side of the bed this morning??? :D LOL!i'm a lovely flower of a person

[FDInLaw]

That article is great. He's going to appeal the decision to join the fall semester? Really? The fall semester where the classes begin tomorrow and everyone moved back into the dorms last Friday? Good luck with that!

You know, even if someone else is arrested and actually convicted with enough evidence to prove it, Kevin isn't going to be innocent in my eyes. The last time I checked, his innocence would have stood without the slander and lies about other people. Weird how that works.Maybe the appeal is just his way of getting out of school for awhile and at the same time saving face with mommy & daddy??? :shrug: I thought he was going to school in Fort Smith? Why the change? At any rate, it was nice of Kevie to give us something new to talk about LOL!

I agree with your last statement! And of course, you are a delightful flower of a person. :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

i'm a lovely flower of a person

Get in line Bub. Everyone knows that I'm the ray of sunshine around here. Get off my schtick. :hat:

[FDInLaw]

Get in line Bub. Everyone knows that I'm the ray of sunshine around here. Get off my schtick. :hat:Yes, you're special too. :tongue:

Now, back on topic. :punch:

Kevie has put himself in the news again. :biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

Yes, you're special too. :tongue:

Now, back on topic. :punch:

Kevie has put himself in the news again. :biggrin:

Was there no dna? where are the results? this is exasperating!!! IMO

[FDInLaw]

Was there no dna? where are the results? this is exasperating!!! IMO
We are all still waiting to hear. *sigh*

[FDInLaw]

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[hawgustusgloop]

Leroy watches KFSM, I usually run screaming from the room when Bridiot Bonds comes on. Surely he would have mentioned this story though. This was posted on their website this morning:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=8864266

It does make you wonder if Kevin only emailed channel 7, or all the local stations.

Did you see the banner above Kevin's head in the photo that says "DECISION APPEAL"...yet when you read it, it just says that he plans to appeal it. I'm assuming that just means he'll appeal to Tech to reconsider. It's not like his attorney is filing an appeal in court over it. Is this "DECISION APPEAL" even newsworthy? I thought "KEVIN REJECTED" was the point of the story.

ETA: that little collage with Kevin looking anguished next to the Tech insignia is kind of hilarious.

[lorettalockhorn]

I had such a hard time getting past his "this happened to me" comment that it was hard to think about much of anything else.

That pix looks photo-shopped; maybe Kevin in his courtroom attire, next to the Tech logo, with KFSM's headline above. Don't really think it's newsworthy, except to maybe once again draw attention to the fact that he was found not guilty, and that there is a new investigation. Don't see any reason whatsoever for his attorney to be involved at this point, not especially for him to have appeared in the news blurb.

Couple of ASWs if you ask me. That Kevin has asked for this to be brought to the attention of the media and the public, solidifies Tech's POV that he could be a (negative) disruption on campus.

[FDInLaw]

Well, it looks like so far no one has had to run for a box of Kleenex over this issue, BUT how legal do y'all think ATU's actions were? I see their concerns, and as stated before, I'm surprised that Kevin even wants to attend there. There is a bigger picture. . . not only may Kevin's possible actions be viewed as a liability but his safety needs to be kept in mind too (someone could lose it and hurt him). I don't blame the school for not wanting to deal with any issues that might arise from him being there. Kevin's presence would be a disruption. After all, there are a number of other State colleges within driving distance.

Regarding a lawsuit, I doubt there will be one. Doing this interview is a cheap way for them to put a lot of pressure on ATU without filing a thing IMO. It will be interesting to see if ATU responds publicly.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm thinking that ATU's attorneys most likely assured administration that the courts would uphold their decision to deny KJ admission, based on any number of reasons.

[TAT84]

Tech more than likely is not going to respond. We gave them an opportunity yesterday to respond and I think they see it as no big deal. I am sure they reject kids every year. I just found it very odd that Kevin would want to be back in the spotlight. I further think that it is not by chance that he contacted the number one tv station in the largest market in the state. Hence, why KFSM (his brother's station) did not get the scoop.

[lorettalockhorn]

Certainly Tech disallows admission to any number of students yearly. This is the first time that I remember one contacting the media (let alone with an attorney present). Don't get why channel 7 didn't ask why he wants to return to ATU.

And if KJ's giving away the scoop, why does it matter to whom? Aren't most media outlets going to pick it up anyway? Just seems like a chance for him to announce his non guilty status yet again. Without talking about the case, of course.

Oh, and mention this thing that "happened to him".

[jeremiads]

If we're going to have someone from Channel 7 posting about this, then I'd love to hear why no contextual questions were asked of Kevin or why he wasn't grilled at all.

Really, it's like knowledge of good journalism isn't a requirement anymore, and these people decided to emphasize a non-story to capitalize on a tragedy in a small town.

Seriously, people. This isn't hard. You ask the questions. You know what your audience wants to have asked. If he doesn't answer, then you report that.

Just because you talked to ATU and they didn't have a comment (big surprise!) doesn't count as proper journalism. It was lazy and irresponsible to the communities you serve.

Don't worry, I think this of most Arkansan media, you're not alone!

[FDInLaw]

This stab at ATU is just another attempt by Jones to promote his victim status in the community. Unfortunately, with no other perpetrator named, it really is a sorry use of resources. His need to have this attention is a bit narcissistic IMO and part of why the RPD focused on him in the first place. Loretta put it best awhile back. . . if anyone ever begged to be misunderstood it was (/is) Kevin. I really don't see this interview helping him at all.

[TAT84]

There were questions asked about why he wants to return. His answers were quite simply because I would be closer to home. Jeremiads, in journalism when it comes to interviews, we are not always able to control what is asked. In this case, Kevin's attorney was present the entire interview, reviewing each question we asked. We were told before hand that some questions were off limits, which any lawyer would say to protect his client, guilty or innocent.
There are a number of questions I would like to ask just like everyone else, but the truth is you will never get those answers at least from him. This was a story yes because of who he is and what he was accused of, but if it was another case in Arkansas and the "found innocent" were rejected from a school, we would of still done the story.
I will give his lawyers and family credit, they know how to create reasonable doubt. When this all first happened they, from what I have been told, started things about a number of people, including myself, in order to put the spotlight on someone else. Whether you like it or not, that was huge in this case. If the rumors hadn't started it would of been very unusual for there to have been a change of venue. Kevin's Dad can say it was because people had already judged his son, but the truth is people were believing whatever they heard that day. I admit the police work was crap at best, but still when your able to use a diversion to get attention off of you and people run with it like wildfire then it is going to create reasonable doubt in anyone's mind.
The worst thing about it all, besides the loss of young lady, is that the prosecution was not smart enough to figure it out and use it to their advantage.

[jeremiads]

There are a number of questions I would like to ask just like everyone else, but the truth is you will never get those answers at least from him. This was a story yes because of who he is and what he was accused of, but if it was another case in Arkansas and the "found innocent" were rejected from a school, we would of still done the story. He wasn't found innocent.

And, if for some miraculous reason we have 100% proof on somebody else involved in the murder and Kevin had nothing to do with it, then he's still not innocent after all of the crap they pulled defending him.

Maybe the aired interview made things more clear, but I didn't watch it. I read the article on the website, which was lacking in information. It should have informed that they would not answer certain questions to give a context for the reader. That's an important thing, especially in a case like this.

Heck, the article didn't even mention that he wanted to be "closer to home."

The Courier had a write-up on this in today's paper, and I think I'll go read it. I skipped over it because the Courier's coverage on this case has been suspect from day one, but now I'm curious.

[jeremiads]

Okay, the Courier just printed an AP wire story, but it at least quoted Kevin.

"It feels like if this didn't happen to me, they would have let me in."

Really? Happened to you? I only wish Nona could even have a chance to be denied admission, but the more tragic thing happened to her.

On wanting to be a lawyer: "After seeing what my lawyers did for me, even though it's hard work and a lot of stress--if I could do for one person what they did for me, it would totally be worth it."

So your ultimate goal in life is to help people get off murder convictions by smearing innocent people and going up against lackluster investigations? Yeah, I guess ATU would be a good place for that career, since it's so well-known for wannabe lawyers.

Absolutely insufferable. Everyone I've talked to here in Russellville is glad ATU wouldn't let him in, can't understand whatever reason he'd give for wanting to come here, and thinks the "security issue" is to protect *Kevin* from other people.

...

On an funny side note, the frontpage also has an article on Janie Ginocchio becoming the editor of the Paragould Daily Press. I won't even get started on that one.

[lorettalockhorn]

KATV wanted the interview so badly that they turned control over to Kevin and his mouthpiece? That's complete and total BS. I honestly don't recall hearing or reading that he was asked anything about why he wanted to return to Tech. Why was that edited? Was he hoping to return to the R'ville campus?

Oh wait. Maybe it's not just a matter of the murder indictment. Maybe it's the drinking and orgies and arrests. Maybe he should make application to attend in Ozark. Maybe at least a dozen or so folks that wouldn't mind having him right in their own backyard.

KJ won't make a good attorney when and if he ever gets out of law school. His skin is too thin. And he'll never be able to devote time and energy outside of his Self.

[lorettalockhorn]

On an funny side note, the frontpage also has an article on Janie Ginocchio becoming the editor of the Paragould Daily Press. I won't even get started on that one.

Buh bye lemoncello.

[FDInLaw]

There were questions asked about why he wants to return. His answers were quite simply because I would be closer to home. Jeremiads, in journalism when it comes to interviews, we are not always able to control what is asked. In this case, Kevin's attorney was present the entire interview, reviewing each question we asked. We were told before hand that some questions were off limits, which any lawyer would say to protect his client, guilty or innocent.
There are a number of questions I would like to ask just like everyone else, but the truth is you will never get those answers at least from him. This was a story yes because of who he is and what he was accused of, but if it was another case in Arkansas and the "found innocent" were rejected from a school, we would of still done the story.
I will give his lawyers and family credit, they know how to create reasonable doubt. When this all first happened they, from what I have been told, started things about a number of people, including myself, in order to put the spotlight on someone else. Whether you like it or not, that was huge in this case. If the rumors hadn't started it would of been very unusual for there to have been a change of venue. Kevin's Dad can say it was because people had already judged his son, but the truth is people were believing whatever they heard that day. I admit the police work was crap at best, but still when your able to use a diversion to get attention off of you and people run with it like wildfire then it is going to create reasonable doubt in anyone's mind.
The worst thing about it all, besides the loss of young lady, is that the prosecution was not smart enough to figure it out and use it to their advantage.
You make some excellent points about the frenzy like atmosphere and KJ's representatives making the most of it. Even after the trial, they continued their campaign to some how make Kevin look better at the expense of others. Look at how the Dateline and 48 Hours shows were used to put pressure on the Diperts. I will go so far as to suggest that they have engaged in these tactics at times in full knowledge that some of their victims were unlikely suspects. Their own actions make it difficult for many to see Kevin as any sort of victim IMO.


TNT, Thank you again for the heads-up about the interview. :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Okay, the Courier just printed an AP wire story, but it at least quoted Kevin.

"It feels like if this didn't happen to me, they would have let me in."

Really? Happened to you? I only wish Nona could even have a chance to be denied admission, but the more tragic thing happened to her.



Totally disgusting. And you would think the REALLY bad thing that "happened to him" would be the fact that the young woman we're supposed to think was his beloved girlfriend/best friend/future wife was the victim of a violent murder. What about her? He's really taking this way too far now. Right after the trial, Kamp Kevin seemed elated and relieved IMO that he was acquitted. Whining that this "happened to him" now is beyond vomit-inducing, especially since a lot of people have MAJOR suspicions that he is in fact a murderer.

I can't imagine why this guy wants to go to school there. Why not go somewhere that you are NOT considered by some to be the town murderer? Is mom pulling the strings here? I would guess she has enough ammo for guilt trips to last a thousand years. And did these stories that claim he was on the Dean's List fact-check that? I know it's not that big of a deal, but the Kanonization of Kevin is always so ridiculous. Do they think we will ever believe this guy is just a nice honor student who participates in church group events (conveniently photographed doing so, of course), and enjoys helping his mom cook in his spare time? And wants to be a lawyer so he can help those who are unfortunate enough to be 'victimized' like he was? Even if it was somehow proven that someone else killed Nona, Kevin still looks like a scumbag IMO.

[hawgustusgloop]

Pre-law is nothing and not really a major at Tech IMO. You can get a bachelors degree in pretty much ANYTHING and get into law school just as easily as long as your LSAT score and GPA are high enough. So if you ask someone what his major is and he says 'pre-law,' he is being a dork and you should ask him what his major really is, and it'll be something like political science. I'm guessing they don't hand out degress in "pre-law." That's just my completely off-topic opinion though.

[lorettalockhorn]

Getting into law school should be a snap; Kevin made the dean's list don't you know.

[upallnight]

Pre-law is nothing and not really a major at Tech IMO. You can get a bachelors degree in pretty much ANYTHING and get into law school just as easily as long as your LSAT score and GPA are high enough. So if you ask someone what his major is and he says 'pre-law,' he is being a dork and you should ask him what his major really is, and it'll be something like political science. I'm guessing they don't hand out degress in "pre-law." That's just my completely off-topic opinion though.

Totally agree with you Hawg. I have one child that took pre-law, his major has nothing to do with going to law school after completion of his major to become an attorney. IMO KJ contacting the media was in a sense like calling all his friends to have a pitty party, that is if he had any friends to listen or care. With children who attend Tech, I am glad Tech denied him! Go Tech! IMO KJ doing this interview backfired on him, I for one appreciate the consideration of students and all others that Tech is trying to protect. Pretty loud and clear he is not wanted there and the reasons. Just can not understand why he would even want to go there, or did he? Yes, I guess his attorney was selective on what was asked in that interview. Still have not heard anything on this "viable suspect", his attorney spoke of. Would love for this case to be solved, don't care to be a part of a pitty party for KJ. Time will tell what all if anything KJ & company have up their sleeves'. Until then, the evidence has not changed......Many of the opinions have not either.

[sololobo]

IMO, ATU's administration did not deny Kevin admission for security reasons. They merely did not want to deal with the insuing "public opinion" issues of Kevin attending ATU. Now, since it was made public, they must. I suggest they start dealing with this matter by making public their policies on denying admission to qualified applicants. I'm sure this will end the controversy.

[jeremiads]

What controversy? I don't exactly see Russellville up in arms over this decision. The whole thing is a manufactured, poorly thought-out PR move.

[upallnight]

IMO, ATU's administration did not deny Kevin admission for security reasons. They merely did not want to deal with the insuing "public opinion" issues of Kevin attending ATU. Now, since it was made public, they must. I suggest they start dealing with this matter by making public their policies on denying admission to qualified applicants. I'm sure this will end the controversy.

Funny how KJ did not want his sexual relationships with other girls and other things to be brought up in his trial but he himself emailed ch 7 to go on national tv about the Tech thing. Media coverage v no media coverage, um! He could have just appealed the decision, guess maybe he wanted the coverage on this issue up front. Security reason or not-they did what they felt they needed/had the right to do I guess. KJ may very well be a distraction if he attended Tech. Tech has many others to consider and I agree with their decision. Public opinion is what it is and it very well not change unless someone else is found guilty of Nona's murder. Even then, it still could be up in the air to some. The evidence would have to be so iron tight in the opinion of some. They did move his trial to the Ozark. Also, if he really is so into becoming an attorney, why not just go another college that he said would take him to get the ball rolling so to say? Wonder how much time he will have to wait for the appeal decision? Then again if Tech has the right to do what they did, he will have to go else where anyway. Such a waste of his valued time IMO. :shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

Funny how KJ did not want his sexual relationships with other girls and other things to be brought up in his trial but he himself emailed ch 7 to go on national tv about the Tech thing. Media coverage v no media coverage, um!

You bring up a great point. If I remember correctly, Kamp Kevin went so far as to ask the judge to BAR the press from the courtroom during his trial. I don't know what country he thought he was in trying to get a private trial.

[jonikay]

Gary Dunn has been arrested for capital murder in relation to Nona's murder . . .
http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=103271

[LurkerNoMore]

FROM CHANNEL 4:

A new arrest has been made in the murder case of Arkansas beauty queen, Nona Dirksmeyer.

Gary Dunn is charged with capital murder, according to the State Special Prosecutor Jack McQuary.

Dunn is being held in the Pope County Detention Center.

No other details are being released right now.


Dirksmeyer was killed in December 2005. In 2007, a jury found her ex-boyfriend, Kevin Jones, not guilty of the murder in 2007.



Stay tuned to KARK 4 News at 6:00 for more information.

[LurkerNoMore]

This is Capital Murder. This is death penalty.

[FDInLaw]

Story Date: Tuesday, April 22, 2003

Man sentenced to prison for assault at park



By Sean Ingram
judicial@couriernews.com
A 24-year-old Pottsville man was sentenced to six years in the Arkansas Department of Correction after he was found guilty Tuesday of second-degree battery in Pope County Circuit Court.
A jury of six men and six women deliberated an hour and 20 minutes before finding GARY DUNN not guilty of criminal intent to attempt murder in the first degree and guilty of second-degree battery, a Class D felony punishable by up to 6 years in prison and as much as a $10,000 fine. After taking 23 minutes, the jury returned before 7:30 p.m. Tuesday and sentenced Dunn to the maximum six-year prison sentence and a fine of $10,000.
Following the sentencing phase, defense attorney Seth Irwin requested an appeal bond, which was denied by Circuit Judge Dennis Sutterfield. David Gibbons, prosecuting attorney for the 5th Judicial District, said that bond should be forfeited for Dunn because he was on probation during the time of the assault against a Russellville woman on Aug. 25, and the fact that the defendant’s mother testified that she was aware her son had violated probation conditions since the August incident.
Sutterfield explained that an appeal bond has no merit because the defendant is on probation, and one of the conditions of probation is to lead a law-abiding life. He added that Dunn was “a danger, and you should get down there (to prison) and start serving your time.” Dunn was then taken into custody by bailiff Dwight D. Earnest and transported to the Pope County Detention Center.
“I thought a very attentive jury listened and a made a well thought-out decision in a case that wasn’t very easy,” Gibbons said at the trial’s conclusion. “I thought the intent to attempt murder was there, but I respect the decision and sentence. I thought the sentence reflected a reasoned outrage as to not only what happened to the victim, but also the fact that one of the community parks was used as a sight for criminal activity.”
Bond was set at $20,000 commercial by Russellville District Judge Don Bourne on Aug. 26, Dunn’s birthday and a day after the man was arrested by Russellville police for the assault of the 24-year-old female victim at Bona Dea Trails. Reports indicated that the Pennsylvania native, who had moved to Russellville in August, called Pope County 911 Communications after leaving the trails near Washburn Park and drove to Saint Mary’s Wellness Fitness Center on West Main Street. Pope County EMS paramedics treated the woman at the center. The woman was transported to a local hospital emergency room by a friend.
The victim stated in reports she was running on a trail and saw Dunn wearing blue jeans and a blue shirt seated on a bench by the trail. After running by and was approximately 20 feet behind him, she stated and testified in trial Tuesday that she turned around and saw Dunn behind her. She explained Dunn then hit her with a wooden stick that she described as 2 to 2 1/2 feet long and 5 inches in diameter. The blow knocked her to the ground, she stated; then Dunn got on top of her and began hitting her on the right side of her head several times.
The woman testified that she somehow got the stick away from the man and attempted to get back up, but Dunn knocked her back down and allegedly hit her several more times. The victim testified the defendant then placed her between his legs, twisted her neck or tried to snap it and stated “I’ll f***ing kill you,” before the woman managed to get away, tried to call 911 via cellular phone and eventually ran to the fitness center.
The woman’s injuries included a black and blue left eye, cuts across the bridge of her nose, cuts under her right eye, scratches on the right side of her neck, cuts on her right shoulder, a cut on her right inner thigh, cuts on her left arm, red marks all over her face and just about all over her body. She was interviewed by authorities at the emergency room and gave a description of Dunn, who was caught later by police in the water near Ouita boat ramp on Lakefront Drive.
After the victim, RPD Officer Chris Koch and Det. Mark Frost testified that Russellville police drove through Washburn Park, down West Parkway behind the park and back to the boat ramp area when they observed a man fitting Dunn’s description coming from the direction of Bona Dea Trails. Koch stated that he could see Dunn hiding in water around grass and called for him to exit the water several times. Approximately nine officers were present before Dunn stated, “Okay, I’m coming out,” exited the water and was placed in custody.
>snip<
“The maximum punishment is for those who are not remorseful, who have not tried to change,” Irwin said during sentencing arguments. “GARY DUNN is changed and has tried to change since this incident. He told detectives during a taped interview that he wished that this had never happened. He is remorseful, and is sorry for what happened.”
“This victim will never be whole again,” Gibbons told the jury. “This happened in a public park, where people go to play, exercise and enjoy the outdoors. If you don’t protect your community park, your property, thugs like him (Dunn) will take them over.”
The Class D felony sentence calls for Dunn to serve at least one-third of the six-year sentence, the prosecutor said. With meritorious good behavior, Dunn could be eligible for parole after serving one to two years.http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=2166&Search=gary%20dunn

[SaraSidle]

FROM CHANNEL 4:

A new arrest has been made in the murder case of Arkansas beauty queen, Nona Dirksmeyer.

Gary Dunn is charged with capital murder, according to the State Special Prosecutor Jack McQuary.

Dunn is being held in the Pope County Detention Center.

No other details are being released right now.


Dirksmeyer was killed in December 2005. In 2007, a jury found her ex-boyfriend, Kevin Jones, not guilty of the murder in 2007.



Stay tuned to KARK 4 News at 6:00 for more information.

Thank you Jonikay and LurkerNoMore That is really good news. I am hoping they have enough to convict this time. IMO

[LurkerNoMore]

For Nona. :rose:

[jeremiads]

I can't help but look at this with a cynical eye, because I don't trust a damn thing out of any investigation in this state at this point. There better be some real evidence on this, or I'm going to think they somehow nailed it to an easy target.

[upallnight]

Thank you Jonikay and LurkerNoMore That is really good news. I am hoping they have enough to convict this time. IMO

Wow, my phone has not stopped ringing. For Nona :rose:.

[LurkerNoMore]

It's going to take rock solid evidence to get a conviction. My hope is for a confession. Dunn's history is chilling.

[TJEddie]

A heartfelt congratulations to Kevin, his family and his defense team.

[LurkerNoMore]

Channel 7 said Dunn lived in Nona's apartment complex at the time of the murder and was questioned but had an alibi.

[jeremiads]

A heartfelt congratulations to Kevin, his family and his defense team.Why? We don't know anything, and I don't really think they deserve a bit of congratulations for the dirty tactics they pulled before, so they aren't angels.

If Dunn supposedly had an alibi, I really would love to know how this incredibly obvious person to check out was overlooked.

[FDInLaw]

When was the probable cause statement made public last time around? Anyone remember???

[jeremiads]

When was the probable cause statement made public last time around? Anyone remember???I can't remember, but it didn't take that long.

They need to just fax the stupid thing to everyone right now, If we have to wait until Monday, I think I'm going to go mad.

[LurkerNoMore]

Why? We don't know anything, and I don't really think they deserve a bit of congratulations for the dirty tactics they pulled before, so they aren't angels.

If Dunn supposedly had an alibi, I really would love to know how this incredibly obvious person to check out was overlooked.

He was overlooked because they wanted Kevin. Quite possibly the same way the defense wanted you, for a time. The anger you feel and the anger Kevin feels might not be that foreign to one another, JM. You were both victims. And what if Gary Dunn caused it all?

[lorettalockhorn]

This may or may not be Dunn:

http://criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xC8&vw=criminal&1=qnaWhDvN%2b4CoXNoPBL1KkXyfwqKqLm%2buppRlFAmNd%2b Q%3d&input=name

Interesting that Frost worked the attempted murder case (that Dunn wasn't convicted on), (or testified), and that victim was struck in the face and had several cuts on the face, arm, shoulder, etc. The Courier article doesn't state how those cuts were made.

[jonikay]

I'm thinking it's not the same person, lo. I don't know which is accurate, but channel 11 said he is 24 and the criminal search states that this guy's bday is in '79.

[jeremiads]

He was overlooked because they wanted Kevin. Quite possibly the same way the defense wanted you, for a time. The anger you feel and the anger Kevin feels might not be that foreign to one another, JM. You were both victims. And what if Gary Dunn caused it all?Consider my shaken faith in the investigative abilities of Arkansan agencies a big reason for what I feel right now.

For about a period of two weeks, I honestly felt like the world was crashing in on me I was grilled so hard over things regarding my alibi, the lie detectors, the things I handed over... but I'm supposed to believe they didn't take the same sort of look at Dunn, a hell of an easy target, at the same time? They thought he had an alibi then? Now it's different?

I'm sorry, but I hate to sound down on all of this, but from my perspective the whole thing is infuriating and not even a successful, legitimate conviction is going to change that for me. At least a legitimate conviction will give closure, but that's it.

[lorettalockhorn]

According to The Courier article, he was 24 when he was sentenced in '03.

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=2166&Search=gary%20dunn

[JustCallMeNora]

Why? We don't know anything, and I don't really think they deserve a bit of congratulations for the dirty tactics they pulled before, so they aren't angels.

If Dunn supposedly had an alibi, I really would love to know how this incredibly obvious person to check out was overlooked.

I for one, don't see their tactics as being dirty. IMO, everyone was suspect, and they just brought forth that info. They were doing what they felt necessary to protect their client. Hoorah for a dam n fine defense team! Hoorah for them to have believed their client with such conviction and passion, and hoorah for them to have the balls to stand up for him when practically everyone was against him! I, too, send my congratulations to Kevin and the Jones family, as well as Nona's family! I pray this is the means to an end of suffering for them as well as a lot of others. May peace be with you Nona....

[sololobo]

This is the person birdie was referring to in his deleted post. IIRC, he said Dunn was not considered a suspect after passing a lie detector test.

[upallnight]

It's going to take rock solid evidence to get a conviction. My hope is for a confession. Dunn's history is chilling.

I agree, very chilling! If he did kill Nona, I hope they hang him! :flamemad:

[JustCallMeNora]

He was overlooked because they wanted Kevin. Quite possibly the same way the defense wanted you, for a time. The anger you feel and the anger Kevin feels might not be that foreign to one another, JM. You were both victims. And what if Gary Dunn caused it all?

ITA.... How ironic, ay?

[jeremiads]

I for one, don't see their tactics as being dirty. IMO, everyone was suspect, and they just brought forth that info. They were doing what they felt necessary to protect their client. Hoorah for a dam n fine defense team! Hoorah for them to have believed their client with such conviction and passion, and hoorah for them to have the balls to stand up for him when practically everyone was against him! I, too, send my congratulations to Kevin and the Jones family, as well as Nona's family! I pray this is the means to an end of suffering for them as well as a lot of others. May peace be with you Nona....You don't think that manufacturing falsehoods about people as part of your defense is dirty? You're just as broken as they are then, especially considering the rest of your cheerleading.

[JustCallMeNora]

Consider my shaken faith in the investigative abilities of Arkansan agencies a big reason for what I feel right now.

For about a period of two weeks, I honestly felt like the world was crashing in on me I was grilled so hard over things regarding my alibi, the lie detectors, the things I handed over... but I'm supposed to believe they didn't take the same sort of look at Dunn, a hell of an easy target, at the same time? They thought he had an alibi then? Now it's different?

I'm sorry, but I hate to sound down on all of this, but from my perspective the whole thing is infuriating and not even a successful, legitimate conviction is going to change that for me. At least a legitimate conviction will give closure, but that's it.


Well, gee, imagine how Kevin must have felt in the same situation, and I would imagine things got a lot rougher for him.

[TJEddie]

Kudos to you, too, sololobo.....you nailed this one a while back IIRC. :)

[JustCallMeNora]

You don't think that manufacturing falsehoods about people as part of your defense is dirty? You're just as broken as they are then, especially considering the rest of your cheerleading.

And, what falsehoods did they spin???

[jeremiads]

Well, gee, imagine how Kevin must have felt in the same situation, and I would imagine things got a lot rougher for him.Well, gee, imagine how I might have defended or supported Kevin now if his people hadn't tried to drag me down with lies, huh?

[jeremiads]

And, what falsehoods did they spin???The obvious statement from a pre-trial hearing. The rest of it you don't get to know about because they either leaked it to people to talk about publicly or gave it directly to the police.

[lorettalockhorn]

You don't think that manufacturing falsehoods about people as part of your defense is dirty? You're just as broken as they are then, especially considering the rest of your cheerleading.

The defense is dirty for sure. I would personally love to see the defense, specifically Mr. Robbins held in contempt of court after speaking to the media after McQuary was appointed and the judge ordered the investigation sealed. If not; he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. We need judges who enforce orders they issue.

[lorettalockhorn]

Kudos to you, too, sololobo.....you nailed this one a while back IIRC. :)

You lost me there, Eddie. Help a girl out!

[JR2007]

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=2166&Search=gary%20dunn

FD, do you know how much of his prison term this Gary Dunn served and when he was released?

[sololobo]

Kudos to you, too, sololobo.....you nailed this one a while back IIRC. :)

Stacie Rhoads nailed it:) Kudos to Stacie:)

I doubted birdie's post when he made it. IMO, Dunn would have been too obvious a suspect to be overlooked by LE, even if he did pass a lie detector test. I thought birdie may have found a convenient suspect to fit my simple scenerio just to muddy the water. I apologize, birdie.

[ValleyGirl]

When and where do we all go to partake in a large dose of Humble Pie??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????:no::no::no::no:

[JR2007]

Aug 22, 7:19 PM EDT


Police: Arrest made in Dirksmeyer slaying

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http://oascentral.hosted.ap.org/RealMedia/ads/adstream_lx.ads/ARMOU.hosted.ap.org/STATE/L25/855696379/x60/APress/Casale_POP_AUG08/ImpressionTrack/53734b6474556976556541414179316f? (http://oascentral.hosted.ap.org/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/ARMOU.hosted.ap.org/STATE/L25/855696379/x03/APress/Casale_POP_AUG08/ImpressionTrack/53734b6474556976556541414179316f?)RUSSELLVILLE, Ark. (AP) -- Arkansas State Police arrested a suspect Friday in the 2005 death of an Arkansas beauty queen, a year after her boyfriend was acquitted in the case.
Special Prosecutor Jack McQuary said in a statement that Gary Dunn of Dover will be charged with capital murder in the death of Nona Dirksmeyer. McQuary offered no additional details about Dunn, saying ethical rules barred him from discussing the case further.
Asked how Dunn was linked to the victim, McQuary told The Associated Press: "I wouldn't be able to tell you that because it gets into the facts of the case. I'm not trying to be mysterious. Model rules forbid us from getting into the facts of the case."
Dirksmeyer, 19, was found dead Dec. 15, 2005, in her apartment by her boyfriend, Kevin N. Jones of Dover, Jones' mother, and a friend of Jones. A jury in July 2007 acquitted the boyfriend of first-degree murder.
But even after being acquitted, Jones continued to face public scrutiny in Pope County. Arkansas Tech denied him admission for the fall semester, because Jones said he didn't send in proper transcripts and the school viewed him as a safety concern.
McQuary came on as special prosecutor in the case earlier this year. Jones' attorney during the trial, Michael Robbins, previously has said he believed DNA evidence that the defense previously turned over to the prosecution is what prompted McQuary's appointment. He said the DNA on a condom wrapper found near Dirksmeyer's body did not match Jones' DNA.
Robert White of Bigelow, who identified himself as Dunn's uncle, said Dunn had lived in the same off-campus apartment complex as Dirksmeyer, but said he didn't know if the two lived in the complex at the same time.
"Just like before, they charged the wrong person - they're charging the wrong person again," White said. "They're manufacturing evidence."
White said police had been aggressively questioning Dunn's mother, who has cancer.
"She told them she didn't feel like answering questions," White said. "They went out and looked in a shed and looked at boxes in there without a warrant and without her permission."
Dirksmeyer was a sophomore, majoring in music. She also won Miss Petit Jean Valley in 2005 and competed in the Miss Arkansas Pageant.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AR_STUDENT_KILLED_ARREST_AROL-?SITE=ARMOU&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT.

[lorettalockhorn]

When and where do we all go to partake in a large dose of Humble Pie??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????:no::no::no::no:

:seeya: I prefer crow pie myself, but it's way too early for that.

[jeremiads]

I'm stepping away to clear my head for a while, but for the record: that surprise interview with Kevin earlier this week? Talk about some interesting timing.

[FDInLaw]

FD, do you know how much of his prison term this Gary Dunn served and when he was released?Out on good behavior in just three years IIRC.

Welcome back JR! :seeya:

[JR2007]

Out on good behavior in just three years IIRC.

Welcome back JR! :seeya:
Wouldn't that put him in prison in Dec. 2005.

[FDInLaw]

Stacie Rhoads nailed it:) Kudos to Stacie:)

I doubted birdie's post when he made it. IMO, Dunn would have been too obvious a suspect to be overlooked by LE, even if he did pass a lie detector test. I thought birdie may have found a convenient suspect to fit my simple scenerio just to muddy the water. I apologize, birdie.Birdie was posting about Gary Dunn and even telling folks about him around town (mind you, not all of his info was good). This all happened during a very sensitive part in the investigation. As such, myself and others requested for his post to be removed. If the media would have got wind of what was going down before all the interviews were complete the whole investigation might have been down the toilet. I hope y'all will understand.

[lorettalockhorn]

The Courier story date was 4/22/03. The sentence was six years and Gibbons commented that a Class D felony has the requirement that 1/3 of the sentence be served.

[FDInLaw]

Wouldn't that put him in prison in Dec. 2005.
No, he was out. . . maybe he just served two years??? (You know how I am with details lol! :o ). At any rate, he got out early. If he is responsible for Nona's death, she would still be with us if he would have served his whole sentence. I wonder how that jury and judge are taking this news???

[lorettalockhorn]

The jury acquitted him of the attempted murder charge; had he been convicted, surely he would have still been in prison 12/05 even just serving 1/3 of his sentence.

If this is the guy, you could just cry.

[FDInLaw]

When and where do we all go to partake in a large dose of Humble Pie??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????:no::no::no::no:When the evidence in the case dictates it.


Welcome back stranger! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

The jury acquitted him of the attempted murder charge; had he been convicted, surely he would have still been in prison 12/05 even just serving 1/3 of his sentence.

If this is the guy, you could just cry.Cry and punch a hole in the wall. . . Both Gibbons and Frost were on Dunn's original case, why didn't they spend more time looking at this guy??? :mad: Ugh. . . don't get me started.

We need to wait and hear more about what happened.

[sololobo]

Cry and punch a hole in the wall. . . Both Gibbons and Frost were on Dunn's original case, why didn't they spend more time looking at this guy??? :mad: Ugh. . . don't get me started.

We need to wait and hear more about what happened.

Frost said Kevin wasn't his #1 suspect at first. I now suppose Dunn probably was. Gibbons had LE re-investigate their original findings before he filed charges. Perhaps he had suspicions of Dunn.

[lorettalockhorn]

Birdie was posting about Gary Dunn and even telling folks about him around town (mind you, not all of his info was good). This all happened during a very sensitive part in the investigation. As such, myself and others requested for his post to be removed. If the media would have got wind of what was going down before all the interviews were complete the whole investigation might have been down the toilet. I hope y'all will understand.

Anyone smell a rat when it comes to where Birdie was getting information?

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/addons/NDarrest_statement.pdf

[upallnight]

I'm stepping away to clear my head for a while, but for the record: that surprise interview with Kevin earlier this week? Talk about some interesting timing.

Exactly!

[LurkerNoMore]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/addons/NDarrest_statement.pdf

Compare this to the grandstanding of Gibbons when Jones was arrested. *This* is how to release a statement and appear professional. Dunn better be worried. They aren't gonna make many mistake this time around.

[upallnight]

Cry and punch a hole in the wall. . . Both Gibbons and Frost were on Dunn's original case, why didn't they spend more time looking at this guy??? :mad: Ugh. . . don't get me started.

We need to wait and hear more about what happened.

So true FD! No words could even explain if this turns out to be person. Again, we wait-Prayers for Carol and Nona.

[VolGirl]

I thought this was an informative article on the new arrest

http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles/2008/08/22/ap-state-ar/d92nlr7g1.txt

[lorettalockhorn]

Compare this to the grandstanding of Gibbons when Jones was arrested. *This* is how to release a statement and appear professional. Dunn better be worried. They aren't gonna make many mistake this time around.

I'm a little fuzzy. Is there a copy of Gibbons' grandstanding statement when Jones was arrested floating around somewhere? Or is this just a comment about the succinctness of McQuary's fax?

[LurkerNoMore]

I refer to the time when Gibbons literally passed out the probable cause statement to reporters the day Kevin was arrested.

At one point the defense made a motion of some sort which sought to penalize the State due to violations of the ethical rules McQuary cites in this statement. It might have been in the motion to gag - or perhaps there was a motion to dismiss? I can't remember.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've probably forgotten more than I remember about this case. So McQuary is going to make a statement at 10pm? What more can/will he say?

This is interesting:

...Robbins declined to say how defense investigators obtained Dunn's DNA, saying it was an element of the special prosecutor's case. However, Robbins acknowledged that investigators gathered some samples from uncooperative suspects without their knowledge...


...Robbins said Friday that Jones knew of Dunn's arrest and was "elated."

"He's happy that finally the person that killed Nona is going to be brought to justice," Robbins said. "He was acquitted by a jury of 12 people and (now) they have the man."...



http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles/2008/08/22/ap-state-ar/d92nlr7g1.txt

[ifIwereU]

here's a picture of the guy.....interesting

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=2ab21297-ab82-4061-bb91-17fe309c9141

[upallnight]

State News
Police: Arrest made in Dirksmeyer slaying

By JON GAMBRELL
Friday, August 22, 2008 7:45 PM CDT
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Arkansas State Police arrested a new suspect Friday in the 2005 death of an Arkansas beauty queen after DNA linked him to the scene of the crime, according to a lawyer for a man previously charged and acquitted in the case.

Gary W. Dunn, 28, was arrested by troopers and sheriff's deputies in Center Ridge late Friday afternoon for the killing of Nona Dirksmeyer, police said. Dunn was being held without bond Friday at the Pope County Jail pending a yet-to-be-scheduled court appearance next week.

Special Prosecutor Jack McQuary, who took over the case after a jury last year acquitted Dirksmeyer's boyfriend Kevin N. Jones, said ethical rules barred him from discussing the case.

Asked how Dunn was linked to the victim, McQuary told The Associated Press: "I wouldn't be able to tell you that because it gets into the facts of the case. I'm not trying to be mysterious. Model rules forbid us from getting into the facts of the case."

Russellville lawyer Michael Robbins, who represented Jones, told the AP that defense investigators began gathering DNA samples before Jones' trial from everyone who could have had contact with Dirksmeyer. Robbins said investigators knew Dunn, who lived at the same off-campus apartment complex as Dirksmeyer, was on parole from prison at the time of her death.

Dunn was convicted of battery after attacking a woman on a Russellvile jogging trail in 2003, Robbins said.

"We knew about him, but we didn't have anything to hang our hat on," Robbins said. That changed when lawyers obtained a DNA sample from Dunn and it matched a sample found on a condom wrapper discovered near Dirksmeyer's body, the lawyer said.

Robbins declined to say how defense investigators obtained Dunn's DNA, saying it was an element of the special prosecutor's case. However, Robbins acknowledged that investigators gathered some samples from uncooperative suspects without their knowledge.

"The DNA hit was random," Robbins said. "We didn't have anything more than just him being somebody who was a violent, convicted felon who was living there at the time.

"When the DNA matched, you've got to look at him. There's no other reason for his DNA to be on a condom wrapper within four feet of her body."

Robert White of Bigelow, who identified himself as Dunn's uncle, said Dunn had lived in the same apartment complex as Dirksmeyer, but said he didn't know if the two lived in the complex at the same time.

"Just like before, they charged the wrong person _ they're charging the wrong person again," White said. "They're manufacturing evidence."

White said police had been aggressively questioning Dunn's mother, who has cancer.

"She told them she didn't feel like answering questions," White said. "They went out and looked in a shed and looked at boxes in there without a warrant and without her permission."

Lt. Aaron DuVall of the Pope County sheriff's office declined to comment about any aspect of the investigation.

Dirksmeyer, 19, was found dead Dec. 15, 2005, in her apartment by Jones, his mother, and his friend. Authorities said the sophomore music student had been beaten to death with a floor lamp and her throat had been cut during the attack.

Prosecutors later charged Jones with the killing, saying he became enraged over Dirksmeyer's relationships with other students at the university. Prosecutors said a bloody palm print on a light bulb in the floor lamp tied Jones to the killing, but a defense expert said Jones left it in the moments after discovering her body.

Robbins argued at trial that the Russellville police botched their investigation and failed to collect other fingerprints and DNA evidence.

The jury acquitted Jones of first-degree murder, but he continued to face public scrutiny in Pope County. Arkansas Tech denied him admission this year for the fall semester, because Jones said he didn't send in proper transcripts and the school viewed him as a safety concern.

Robbins said Friday that Jones knew of Dunn's arrest and was "elated."

"He's happy that finally the person that killed Nona is going to be brought to justice," Robbins said. "He was acquitted by a jury of 12 people and (now) they have the man."

A service of the Associated Press(AP)

[jeremiads]

There better be way more to this than the condom wrapper. It was inconsequential to any evidence of murder before, and that doesn't change now.

I expect solid evidence very clearly connecting Dunn to the murder, or this is not going to be pretty and will just continue the tragedy.

[upallnight]

There better be way more to this than the condom wrapper. It was inconsequential to any evidence of murder before, and that doesn't change now.

I expect solid evidence very clearly connecting Dunn to the murder, or this is not going to be pretty and will just continue the tragedy.

You are so right! Praying for the truth to come out if he did it and Justice For Nona. Either way, praying for the truth to be known.

[lorettalockhorn]

There better be way more to this than the condom wrapper. It was inconsequential to any evidence of murder before, and that doesn't change now.

I expect solid evidence very clearly connecting Dunn to the murder, or this is not going to be pretty and will just continue the tragedy.

Agree. If the guy was living in Nona's complex at the same time that she was, simply solidifies the idea that the wrapper could have been easily lifted from the trash and planted in Nona' apartment. And that could certainly narrow down the number of people from whom DNA would later be knowingly (or unknowingly) taken for comparison. Chain of custody for any samples that Robbins alluded to will be interesting.

Curious as to what exactly makes this a capital offense. Premeditation? Commission of another crime?

[loulou58]

For some reason I have a bad feeling about this. Weird how LE eliminated all suspects exept KJ and overlooked this guy. Then defense gets DNA and now he's arrested. Am I missing something? I wonder where this guy went to school?

[upallnight]

Agree. If the guy was living in Nona's complex at the same time that she was, simply solidifies the idea that the wrapper could have been easily lifted from the trash and planted in Nona' apartment. And that could certainly narrow down the number of people from whom DNA would later be knowingly (or unknowingly) taken for comparison. Chain of custody for any samples that Robbins alluded to will be interesting.

Curious as to what exactly makes this a capital offense. Premeditation? Commission of another crime?

That is what many are talking about around here. They need more IMO.

[SaraSidle]

For some reason I have a bad feeling about this. Weird how LE eliminated all suspects exept KJ and overlooked this guy. Then defense gets DNA and now he's arrested. Am I missing something? I wonder where this guy went to school?

What is even more confusing is what the LE has as evidence. Please do not tell me it is the condom wrapper they have had for 3 years and not disclosed it.. I wonder if Kevin gets into his college now. IMO

[hawgustusgloop]

This is astonishing news. I really hope the evidence is super solid if this guy is the killer. I can't fathom why this guy would have been cleared and would love to know more about his alibi and why it wasn't scrutinized further. I agree that a DNA match to the condom wrapper wouldn't be nearly enough.

[hawgustusgloop]

If Nona's family wanted to file a wrongful death suit, wouldn't they need to file it by December of this year? I thought it was getting pretty close. I wonder what effect this news might have on that decision?

[upallnight]

I for one, don't see their tactics as being dirty. IMO, everyone was suspect, and they just brought forth that info. They were doing what they felt necessary to protect their client. Hoorah for a dam n fine defense team! Hoorah for them to have believed their client with such conviction and passion, and hoorah for them to have the balls to stand up for him when practically everyone was against him! I, too, send my congratulations to Kevin and the Jones family, as well as Nona's family! I pray this is the means to an end of suffering for them as well as a lot of others. May peace be with you Nona....

I also pray this is the means to an end of suffering. If he did it, I hope they have enough evidence to convict him by a jury of his peers. If not, here we go again. If he is found not guilty-will that mean he is innocent? I for one will base my opinion on evidence like many others I am sure. I wonder if they can place him at the scene of the crime. Alibi, what is up with that? Did someone lie for him possibly in the first investigation? Was his arrest based on the dna match alone? If so, that could have been taken from trash. Nona was not raped, maybe he used a condom to hold any evidence and discard it after he did whatever he did. Some don't rape because it leaves evidence behind. They use other methods to get their sick-o ways. I wonder if they have a hair sample that can place him in her apartment, what about the fingernail? They need something more that is for sure. I hope they have it, a finger print-something to place him at the scene of the crime. Something that could not have been placed there by someone else. So many questions! Hard evidence, that is what is needed. Would love it if they found the stick or the battery, the green sweater also was never located if my memory serves me right. Hopefully they are not going on just the dna match and his previous charge. Even with the way he attacked and hurt this other girl, I am not sure that is enough to prove beyond r/d that he killed Nona. Sure seems suspect to me but I need to know more. Guess if he has a strong alibi, the jury would consider that to and really may depend on if they believe the person standing up for him and his alibi. Well like FD said, we will have to wait and see.

[JustCallMeNora]

The obvious statement from a pre-trial hearing. The rest of it you don't get to know about because they either leaked it to people to talk about publicly or gave it directly to the police.

You mean the statement from the pretrial hearing when the defense was doing their JOB trying to create REASONABLE DOUBT for their client having created the crime? If it was "leaked" into the public, how do you know it was started by the defense/ Jones' family? The rumor mills cup always runneth over, and there are many a people who are probably responsibe for it. Items given to the police? Possibly because it could have been considered more viable evidence than the RPD EVER attempted to gather?

I'm sorry. I don't feel your pity. I don't feel like you deserve to say "oh woe as me" and cast attention on yourself. Your life was not taken away violently from the murder, nor have you suffered in a fraction of the way KJ's has. JMO

[JustCallMeNora]

There better be way more to this than the condom wrapper. It was inconsequential to any evidence of murder before, and that doesn't change now.

I expect solid evidence very clearly connecting Dunn to the murder, or this is not going to be pretty and will just continue the tragedy.

The similar style of attack between the 2003 incident and Nona's murders speaks volumes to me especially along with the fact that he lived in the same apartment complex. Those two put things in perspective a lot considering the DNA on the condom wrapper.

[JustCallMeNora]

Agree. If the guy was living in Nona's complex at the same time that she was, simply solidifies the idea that the wrapper could have been easily lifted from the trash and planted in Nona' apartment. And that could certainly narrow down the number of people from whom DNA would later be knowingly (or unknowingly) taken for comparison. Chain of custody for any samples that Robbins alluded to will be interesting.

Curious as to what exactly makes this a capital offense. Premeditation? Commission of another crime?

You old "Kevin Jones did it" die hards will never give it up no matter what will you? You NEVER gave Kevin this much benefit of the doubt.

[JustCallMeNora]

I also pray this is the means to an end of suffering. If he did it, I hope they have enough evidence to convict him by a jury of his peers. If not, here we go again. If he is found not guilty-will that mean he is innocent? I for one will base my opinion on evidence like many others I am sure. I wonder if they can place him at the scene of the crime. Alibi, what is up with that? Did someone lie for him possibly in the first investigation? Was his arrest based on the dna match alone? If so, that could have been taken from trash. Nona was not raped, maybe he used a condom to hold any evidence and discard it after he did whatever he did. Some don't rape because it leaves evidence behind. They use other methods to get their sick-o ways. I wonder if they have a hair sample that can place him in her apartment, what about the fingernail? They need something more that is for sure. I hope they have it, a finger print-something to place him at the scene of the crime. Something that could not have been placed there by someone else. So many questions! Hard evidence, that is what is needed. Would love it if they found the stick or the battery, the green sweater also was never located if my memory serves me right. Hopefully they are not going on just the dna match and his previous charge. Even with the way he attacked and hurt this other girl, I am not sure that is enough to prove beyond r/d that he killed Nona. Sure seems suspect to me but I need to know more. Guess if he has a strong alibi, the jury would consider that to and really may depend on if they believe the person standing up for him and his alibi. Well like FD said, we will have to wait and see.

I can understand your point of needing more. I am just saying the new developments say a lot to me. I can't imagine that after all that has been gone through, that the prosecution wouldn't go through the trouble to make sure they have an air tight case, especially to go after a capital murder charge. It has, after all, been a long time for their investigation.

[upallnight]

I still wonder if they ever found this person?
Story Date: Friday, June 20, 2008

RPD seeking rape suspect

Story date: June 20, 2008

Man believed to be 25-35 years old with tall, slender build
By Adam Franks (crime@couriernews.com)
Reporter
Investigators with the Russellville Police Department are seeking a man for questioning in connection with an alleged forcible rape reported June 13.
Russellville Police Department spokesperson Joshua McMillian said the suspect is believed to be between the ages of 25-35, weighing between 125-150 pounds with a tall, slender build.
McMillian said the alleged incident, in connection with which officers responded to the emergency room at Saint Mary’s Regional Medical Center, occurred sometime before 1 p.m. June 13 at a residence on East N Street.
NO FORCED ENTRY was apparent, McMillian said.
Anyone with information on the suspect or his whereabouts should contact the Russellville Police Department at 968-3232 or the Silent Partner Tip Line at 967-2221. All information will remain confidential.



Copyright 2008 Russellville Newspapers, Inc.

[upallnight]

I can understand your point of needing more. I am just saying the new developments say a lot to me. I can't imagine that after all that has been gone through, that the prosecution wouldn't go through the trouble to make sure they have an air tight case, especially to go after a capital murder charge. It has, after all, been a long time for their investigation.

I agree, says alot to me to. Just hope it is air tight. Hopefully that is why it took this long. I just need to know all the evidence they have against him and may even go to the trial if there is one. That tells the story better than the media IMO. Never thought I would say that I would go back because of how heartbreaking the first trial was, it was hard to see and hear those terrible things done to Nona. More important though is to see Justice For Nona, I hope it will happen one day no matter who killed her. Capital Murder charge, that is hugh! Time and evidence will tell. Lord knows that is all we have to go by.

[sweetgranny]

I have to say I certainly pray for Justice for Nona, but Wednesday the whole talk at my workplace was that Kevin just proved he was like OJ and he was on TV fighting with ATU about a simple denial of admission when actually ATU is probably NOT the best choice if you want to be a lawyer. I still feel Kevin is too cocky for his own good and why in the world would his parents not reign him in? I hope they have a lot of evidence!

[lorettalockhorn]

You old "Kevin Jones did it" die hards will never give it up no matter what will you? You NEVER gave Kevin this much benefit of the doubt.

And just who are you calling old??? :hat:

Kevin had plenty of "the benefit of the doubt". Unfortunately the tactics of the defense team did a lot to dispel that, making it seem that he had a lot to hide.

Upall, that's a good question about the June rape. hmmm

Hawg, if the statute of limitations runs out on a wrongful death suit, the time period can be tolled, and extended depending on the circumstances. (That Nona's family didn't have access to the case information would surely be reason enough.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Today's ArDemGaz article:

http://nwarktimes.com/adg/News/235043/

The Courier hasn't updated their site yet.

[hawgustusgloop]

That article suggested that Dunn does not have an attorney...if he's the guy, I hope they can get a confession. I wonder if he's talking? It sounds like his family is already on the defensive and not shy about giving interviews.

[FDInLaw]

Some quick thoughts. . . I agree that dna on the condom wrapper is not enough, and I sure hope that (if guilty)there is more physical evidence that ties Dunn to the crime. An Internet buddy sent me this:

This is from the FBI on disorganized killers.
The crime scene of a disorganized killer is often described as
reflecting an overall sense of disorder and suggest little if any
preplanning of the murder. The disarray present at the crime scene may
include evidence such as hair, blood, semen and the murder weapon. There
is minimal use of restraints because the victim is usually rendered
unconscious moments after encountering the disorganized offender. The
body is often displayed in open view, usually left where the
confrontation took place, and is often subjected to extraordinary
mutilation. The disorganized offender is often times still living with
parents or guardians, below average in intelligence. The killer is
usually unemployed or unskilled, does not own a car, and kills near his
home.


From reading about the chilling attack at Bona Dea, it's obvious that GD is capable IMO. But did he is the question. We'll have to wait and see what the evidence dictates. From the statement above, I expect that there should be more physical evidence. . . am I out in left field here???

For those of you hoping to find everyone jumping to the conclusion that Gary Dunn is guilty, hypocrisy much??? What happened to innocent until proven guilty??? LOL! Personally, I'm on the fence at this point and waiting for more information before coming to a conclusion.

[hawgustusgloop]

So, this begs the question...IF Kevin is truly innocent, then, why the lies? Why not assert his innocence instead of throwing person after person under the bus from the very beginning? I understand defense tactics, but it started WAY before that.

[hawgustusgloop]

For those of you hoping to find everyone jumping to the conclusion that Gary Dunn is guilty, hypocrisy much??? What happened to innocent until proven guilty??? LOL! Personally, I'm on the fence at this point and waiting for more information before coming to a conclusion.

Yes, all those different screen names are high-fiving each other and tossing "innocent until proven guilty" out the window. I am definitely riding the fence here, too. I find it highly unusual that this guy was out on parole for a violent attack, and was cleared in this investigation, if he is indeed guilty. I am very very interested in knowing how this guy was cleared.

[Brown hound]

Let us not forget that there were TWO victims here, Nona and Kevin. I love how some of you still have the noose around Kevin's neck (despite no real evidence and a judgement of his peers saying otherwise ) , but are waiting on "evidence" to form an opinion on GD. Sometimes, it is hard to admit that you may be wrong, especially when you have torn apart those of us with opinions that did not agree exactly with you. I hope that the Russellville Police Department has to issue a monetary apology to the Jones family after this is all over.

[lorettalockhorn]

Some quick thoughts. . . I agree that dna on the condom wrapper is not enough, and I sure hope that (if guilty)there is more physical evidence that ties Dunn to the crime. An Internet buddy sent me this:




From reading about the chilling attack at Bona Dea, it's obvious that GD is capable IMO. But did he is the question. We'll have to wait and see what the evidence dictates. From the statement above, I expect that there should be more physical evidence. . . am I out in left field here???

For those of you hoping to find everyone jumping to the conclusion that Gary Dunn is guilty, hypocrisy much??? What happened to innocent until proven guilty??? LOL! Personally, I'm on the fence at this point and waiting for more information before coming to a conclusion.

Just how disorganized was Nona's killer? She has been characterized as far from a neatnik, and the Joneses and RW apparently tore through the place looking for her address. (Stupid, stupid, stupid instruction on the part of the dispatcher. IMO) So how much disarray did the killer really cause? And GD strikes me from the description of the attack on the walking trail as an opportunist. If he murdered Nona was it premeditated? He took a condom with him to the scene, no condom was found, but he left behind the wrapper with his DNA evidence behind. That sounds mixed.

[lorettalockhorn]

Let us not forget that there were TWO victims here, Nona and Kevin. I love how some of you still have the noose around Kevin's neck (despite no real evidence and a judgement of his peers saying otherwise ) , but are waiting on "evidence" to form an opinion on GD. Sometimes, it is hard to admit that you may be wrong, especially when you have torn apart those of us with opinions that did not agree exactly with you. I hope that the Russellville Police Department has to issue a monetary apology to the Jones family after this is all over.

How is Kevin to be construed as a victim? How can we not be skeptical re: Dunn's arrest? Monetary apology? HUH?

Don't get why Kamp Kevin is so reluctant to afford Dunn the benefit of the doubt that they have been claiming KJ never received.

Yep. Hypocrite much?

[Brown hound]

Hypocrite? How about continuously accusing someone of murder when they have been PROVEN INNOCENT? I was just offering that anytime Kamp Kevin makes a post on here, they are slammed for having an opinion that the Guilty Group ( I too, can make up cute names) does not agree with. I'll go look in my mirror, and I suggest you do the same.

[FDInLaw]

Let us not forget that there were TWO victims here, Nona and Kevin. I love how some of you still have the noose around Kevin's neck (despite no real evidence and a judgement of his peers saying otherwise ) , but are waiting on "evidence" to form an opinion on GD. Sometimes, it is hard to admit that you may be wrong, especially when you have torn apart those of us with opinions that did not agree exactly with you. I hope that the Russellville Police Department has to issue a monetary apology to the Jones family after this is all over.
Hey,

Welcome back! :seeya:

Since you are convinced that GD is guilty, please share more. . . what facts caused you to believe this??? Maybe you can help us all out here.

:shrug:

[loulou58]

I will be extremely surprised if GD admits to anything. It seems as if KJ defense team was bound to find someone to prosecute to prove their client was innocent. Looks like they found the perfect match. There was no sign of forced entry and no indication she was raped, yet somehow (even though they say she kept all doors locked and never let in strangers) he got in. From reading the article about his prior attack, it seems that he is not affraid. I mean he attacked the woman in broad daylight and just ran up behind her and did it. She knew it was coming, he wasn't smeaky about it. With that being said, if Nona never let in strangers and there was no forced entry, how did he get into her apartment? And WHY on earth would there just happen to be a condom wrapper there that just happens to have a convicted felons DNA on it that just happened to live in her apartment complex that only the defense can find, I'm riding the fence as well.....not adding up to me. I would love to hear an admission from GD so we can all rest at night. Just another waiting game. I do agree with some that LE pointed fingers at KJ right from the beginning, BUT the way I look at it, he ask for it, with the way his displayed himself from the very beginning and all of his lies...what do you expect?

[FDInLaw]

Hypocrite? How about continuously accusing someone of murder when they have been PROVEN INNOCENT? I was just offering that anytime Kamp Kevin makes a post on here, they are slammed for having an opinion that the Guilty Group ( I too, can make up cute names) does not agree with. I'll go look in my mirror, and I suggest you do the same.

Calm down already. . . Kevin was not PROVEN innocent. A little reality check, the very things that some discounted (the bloody palm print) may be that which cause reasonable doubt for Dunn. Unless there is some slam dunk evidence it is very possible that there may not be a inclusive "who done it." There has been an arrest. Let's see what they have on this guy!

If I have ever made you feel unwelcome here, please accept my sincere apology. . . I am NOT being snarky here! Let's use our differing perspectives to our advantage and work together to sift through everything as it comes out. I realize that I put way to much trust in the first investigation and prosecutor. As a result, it's hard not to feel a tad jaded and skeptical. This has nothing to do with Kevin and his family, but a real trust issue with LE. If Kevin is innocent I hope that it will be made known beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[loulou58]

Hypocrite? How about continuously accusing someone of murder when they have been PROVEN INNOCENT? I was just offering that anytime Kamp Kevin makes a post on here, they are slammed for having an opinion that the Guilty Group ( I too, can make up cute names) does not agree with. I'll go look in my mirror, and I suggest you do the same.




PROVEN INNOCENT??? I never seen or heard that..I thought he was aquitted which I thought was not exactly proven innocent. Have the definetions changed?

[jeremiads]

You mean the statement from the pretrial hearing when the defense was doing their JOB trying to create REASONABLE DOUBT for their client having created the crime? If it was "leaked" into the public, how do you know it was started by the defense/ Jones' family? The rumor mills cup always runneth over, and there are many a people who are probably responsibe for it. Items given to the police? Possibly because it could have been considered more viable evidence than the RPD EVER attempted to gather?

I'm sorry. I don't feel your pity. I don't feel like you deserve to say "oh woe as me" and cast attention on yourself. Your life was not taken away violently from the murder, nor have you suffered in a fraction of the way KJ's has. JMOI'm sorry, but your willful ignorance is so strong that it blinds you to the facts that the defense lied and and tore people down in order to create a reasonable doubt (which they weren't, since it wasn't in a damn courtroom). You can be honest and defend yourself, or you can be scum and defend yourself.

You think it's okay to be scum. That's okay. It just tells me the sort of people who are on their side.

[lorettalockhorn]

I will be extremely surprised if GD admits to anything. It seems as if KJ defense team was bound to find someone to prosecute to prove their client was innocent. Looks like they found the perfect match. There was no sign of forced entry and no indication she was raped, yet somehow (even though they say she kept all doors locked and never let in strangers) he got in. From reading the article about his prior attack, it seems that he is not affraid. I mean he attacked the woman in broad daylight and just ran up behind her and did it. She knew it was coming, he wasn't smeaky about it. With that being said, if Nona never let in strangers and there was no forced entry, how did he get into her apartment? And WHY on earth would there just happen to be a condom wrapper there that just happens to have a convicted felons DNA on it that just happened to live in her apartment complex that only the defense can find, I'm riding the fence as well.....not adding up to me. I would love to hear an admission from GD so we can all rest at night. Just another waiting game. I do agree with some that LE pointed fingers at KJ right from the beginning, BUT the way I look at it, he ask for it, with the way his displayed himself from the very beginning and all of his lies...what do you expect?


And apparently LE pointed fingers at this guy too. I would feel much more comfortable with this arrest if it had been LE that got the goods on Dunn, instead of the defense team. If Kevin planted the condom wrapper, as was supposed at one point, how much easier could it get for the finger to be pointed at this guy and for LE to make it fit?

Which is pretty much what Kevin's diehard defenders are saying happened to him.

[FDInLaw]

Hey!

I just started a new thread for Gary Dunn. My hands are full right now. . . can some of you help by posting some of the news articles there??? This thread is HUGE, and it's not a bad idea to have a new one just for Gary Dunn.

Help a girl out. . . Thanks! :seeya:



http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9118746#post9118746

[Brown hound]

I was just thinking that when the DNA donor is named, we'll have to start our armchair detecting all over again. It could be a real test.

What is more probable...a person with no history of severe violence to the point of death or a CONVICTED felon with a history of trying to kill a complete stranger that he randomly encountered at a park? If Kevin did go out to the trash to grab some evidence to pin it on another(as has been the speculation of many), he wouldn't have known to grab a condom wrapper in a large dumpster with this person's unknown history. This is the legal equivalent of winning the lottery, so do the math on probabilities.

[jeremiads]

What is more probable...a person with no history of severe violence to the point of death or a CONVICTED felon with a history of trying to kill a complete stranger that he randomly encountered at a park? If Kevin did go out to the trash to grab some evidence to pin it on another(as has been the speculation of many), he wouldn't have known to grab a condom wrapper in a large dumpster with this person's unknown history. This is the legal equivalent of winning the lottery, so do the math on probabilities.A 99.9% likelihood still means nothing with 0% evidence. There could be a legitimate reason for the wrapper to be there, and the wrapper is still not evidence of murder by anyone. It wasn't during Kevin's trial and it's not now.

[lorettalockhorn]

What is more probable...a person with no history of severe violence to the point of death or a CONVICTED felon with a history of trying to kill a complete stranger that he randomly encountered at a park? If Kevin did go out to the trash to grab some evidence to pin it on another(as has been the speculation of many), he wouldn't have known to grab a condom wrapper in a large dumpster with this person's unknown history. This is the legal equivalent of winning the lottery, so do the math on probabilities.

Well, like many I'm stymied that this guy wasn't the obvious candidate to pin the murder on IF that's what LE was looking to do. But apparently he had an alibi. And/or was considered to be truthful (didn't he pass a lie detector test? NOT that that is admissable or can't be done). Whereas Kevin lied about many things from the get go.

[hawgustusgloop]

Well, like many I'm stymied that this guy wasn't the obvious candidate to pin the murder on IF that's what LE was looking to do. But apparently he had an alibi. And/or was considered to be truthful (didn't he pass a lie detector test? NOT that that is admissable or can't be done). Whereas Kevin lied about many things from the get go.

Yes. What an easy target Dunn would have been, if they were just trying to arrest someone ASAP. Why pick Golden Boy Honor Student with Resources for a Defense, when you have Convicted Creepy Guy Out On Parole Who Lives Nearby? It just isn't adding up yet. And I hope very much that all the stuff Dunn's uncle says about them not having permission/warrant is a lie, but surely the investigators are not that stupid. Certainly he's referring to the police and not defense investigators...right?

[jeremiads]

Yes. What an easy target Dunn would have been, if they were just trying to arrest someone ASAP. Why pick Golden Boy Honor Student with Resources for a Defense, when you have Convicted Creepy Guy Out On Parole Who Lives Nearby? It just isn't adding up yet. And I hope very much that all the stuff Dunn's uncle says about them not having permission/warrant is a lie, but surely the investigators are not that stupid. Certainly he's referring to the police and not defense investigators...right?Ha. I think a re-examination of the various leaks after the trial and the statement on the courthouse steps by Kevin's lawyers about how they had evidence but didn't present it is in order.

None of this is adding up or making sense to me.

[upallnight]

What is more probable...a person with no history of severe violence to the point of death or a CONVICTED felon with a history of trying to kill a complete stranger that he randomly encountered at a park? If Kevin did go out to the trash to grab some evidence to pin it on another(as has been the speculation of many), he wouldn't have known to grab a condom wrapper in a large dumpster with this person's unknown history. This is the legal equivalent of winning the lottery, so do the math on probabilities.

Evidence pointed toward Kevin, that is all we had to go by. With this new evidence-we all have more to be seen and heard about this Gary Dunn person. This is still about the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer, the evidence tells the story no matter what the name of the suspect is.

[hawgustusgloop]

Evidence pointed toward Kevin, that is all we had to go by. With this new evidence-we all have more to be seen and heard about this Gary Dunn person. This is still about the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer, the evidence tells the story no matter what the name of the suspect is.

Very true. And as of right now, WE don't have much evidence other than the fact that his DNA supposedly matches DNA found on a condom wrapper. I hope the police have a LOT more since the first investigation/trial has probably made it super difficult to convict anyone else. The fact that he lived nearby and was apparently an extremely violent lowlife makes him look like a good suspect, but that alone isn't evidence he killed Nona.

[JR2007]

And apparently LE pointed fingers at this guy too. I would feel much more comfortable with this arrest if it had been LE that got the goods on Dunn, instead of the defense team. If Kevin planted the condom wrapper, as was supposed at one point, how much easier could it get for the finger to be pointed at this guy and for LE to make it fit?

Which is pretty much what Kevin's diehard defenders are saying happened to him.

I totally agree here. The way the evidence on the condom wrapper and all seemed to mysteriously appear makes it all suspect. I don't know how the chain of command for the evidents of the condom wrapper was handled, after the original testing was done, but I feel the DNA evidence as suspect. Especially in light of how one of the defense members seemed to be more or less unethical in his handling of his job. It will be interesting to see what other evidence will come forth. I hope it's solid, because of all the things that KJ did, still says he did it, to me, and I have no ax to grind here except wanting to see the murderer found and punished.
AMO.

[JR2007]

I'm sorry, but your willful ignorance is so strong that it blinds you to the facts that the defense lied and and tore people down in order to create a reasonable doubt (which they weren't, since it wasn't in a damn courtroom). You can be honest and defend yourself, or you can be scum and defend yourself.

You think it's okay to be scum. That's okay. It just tells me the sort of people who are on their side.

Here, Here.
Someone else who has a problem with the defense team, or at least one of them.

[JustCallMeNora]

I'm sorry, but your willful ignorance is so strong that it blinds you to the facts that the defense lied and and tore people down in order to create a reasonable doubt (which they weren't, since it wasn't in a damn courtroom). You can be honest and defend yourself, or you can be scum and defend yourself.

You think it's okay to be scum. That's okay. It just tells me the sort of people who are on their side.

Did you really expect to have been involved with Nona and not have it picked apart, examined, and suspect in every way?

[JustCallMeNora]

Let us not forget that there were TWO victims here, Nona and Kevin. I love how some of you still have the noose around Kevin's neck (despite no real evidence and a judgement of his peers saying otherwise ) , but are waiting on "evidence" to form an opinion on GD. Sometimes, it is hard to admit that you may be wrong, especially when you have torn apart those of us with opinions that did not agree exactly with you. I hope that the Russellville Police Department has to issue a monetary apology to the Jones family after this is all over.

Yes, it is hard to admit you may be wrong. I doubt seriously those on here will ever admit that they are wrong even with a viable conviction of Dunn.

[JustCallMeNora]

What is more probable...a person with no history of severe violence to the point of death or a CONVICTED felon with a history of trying to kill a complete stranger that he randomly encountered at a park? If Kevin did go out to the trash to grab some evidence to pin it on another(as has been the speculation of many), he wouldn't have known to grab a condom wrapper in a large dumpster with this person's unknown history. This is the legal equivalent of winning the lottery, so do the math on probabilities.

No, no. I am sure it was much more calculated on Kevin's part. Surely he didn't just grab it out of the dumpster....

[JR2007]

Very true. And as of right now, WE don't have much evidence other than the fact that his DNA supposedly matches DNA found on a condom wrapper. I hope the police have a LOT more since the first investigation/trial has probably made it super difficult to convict anyone else. The fact that he lived nearby and was apparently an extremely violent lowlife makes him look like a good suspect, but that alone isn't evidence he killed Nona.

I wonder what has changed for now to then in the fact that he lived nearby and was violent lowlife. The DNA evidence that was reported last year was mitochondrial DNA wasn't it. If so you can not specifically say who's it is, just that it could be his, not specifically his though. Is this not right. Someone out there who knows more about this could help in this area, please.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, I happen to feel the defense's tactics were never scummy.

But LE and The State were what? Reprehensible?

And wasn't Jeremy Martin more than cooperative? Why the abhorrence?

[FDInLaw]

But LE and The State were what? Reprehensible?

And wasn't Jeremy Martin more than cooperative? Why the abhorrence?
Don't you know who you are arguing with??? Don't waste your time!

[JustCallMeNora]

Jones was found not guilty, but I don't know a single person in The Real World who believes that he is.

Speak for yourself. I guess people who don't agree with you are not in the "REAL WORLD"

This quote from way back when somes it all up so well, and it is ringing even more true now...

[JustCallMeNora]

Don't you know who you are arguing with??? Don't waste your time!

Yeah, really, don't waste your time. You might be showing how wrong you have all been!

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't you know who you are arguing with??? Don't waste your time!

Hey, I don't call myself lorettalockhorn and consider myself a contrarian for nothing. Besides, it's fun to see people expose themselves. (As long as they're not exposing themselves.) :eek:

[FDInLaw]

[/COLOR]

I wonder what has changed for now to then in the fact that he lived nearby and was violent lowlife. The DNA evidence that was reported last year was mitochondrial DNA wasn't it. If so you can not specifically say who's it is, just that it could be his, not specifically his though. Is this not right. Someone out there who knows more about this could help in this area, please. There is a lab in Florida with a new test. . . I believe the results were found there. Sorry, I don't have many details.

[FDInLaw]

Hey, I don't call my lorettalockhorn and consider myself a contrarian for nothing. Besides, it's fun to see people expose themselves. (As long as they're not exposing themselves.) :eek:
LMAO!!!!!!! You're such a card!

I just don't see the point of arguing morals with that chick.

[lorettalockhorn]

LMAO!!!!!!! You're such a card!

I just don't see the point of arguing morals with that chick.

Does her hubby know about her May/December fixation? Inquiring minds want to know!

[JustCallMeNora]

LMAO!!!!!!! You're such a card!

I just don't see the point of arguing morals with that chick.

Especially when you all have none!

[FDInLaw]

Does her hubby know about her May/December fixation? Inquiring minds want to know!What??? You're way smarter than me. . . I don't follow!

[sololobo]

The condom wrapper places the owner of the DNA at the crime scene at some point in time. Will the prosecution call Kevin to testify it wasn't there the night before?

Bacon claimed the fingerprints on the base and bottom of the lamp were suitable for comparison, the crime lab disagreed. Will they be allowed in as evidence if they are comparable, by some, to Dunn's?

I am inclined to believe this second investigation yields a much better case after lessons learned from the first. We had to wait till the trial to hear all the evidence the first time around and so it will be the second time.

The prosecution cannot use results from a lie detector in court. The defense can, forcing the prosecution to attack the validity of the test.

[FDInLaw]

The condom wrapper places the owner of the DNA at the crime scene at some point in time. Will the prosecution call Kevin to testify it wasn't there the night before?

Bacon claimed the fingerprints on the base and bottom of the lamp were suitable for comparison, the crime lab disagreed. Will they be allowed in as evidence if they are comparable, by some, to Dunn's?

I am inclined to believe this second investigation yields a much better case after lessons learned from the first. We had to wait till the trial to hear all the evidence the first time around and so it will be the second time.

The prosecution cannot use results from a lie detector in court. The defense can, forcing the prosecution to attack the validity of the test.I sure hope you are right.

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

The condom wrapper places the owner of the DNA at the crime scene at some point in time. Will the prosecution call Kevin to testify it wasn't there the night before?

Bacon claimed the fingerprints on the base and bottom of the lamp were suitable for comparison, the crime lab disagreed. Will they be allowed in as evidence if they are comparable, by some, to Dunn's?

I am inclined to believe this second investigation yields a much better case after lessons learned from the first. We had to wait till the trial to hear the all evidence the first time around and so it will be the second time.

The prosecution cannot use results from a lie detector in court. The defense can, forcing the prosecution to attack the validity of the test.

Not sure I agree with your first statement, the DNA on the condom wrapper found at the crime scene places the condom wrapper at the crime scene. And possibly the owner. Hope and believe that lessons were learned from the first investigation. Maybe part of the second investigation is a comparison of the fingerprints left on the lamp. Dunn's are certainly on record. But what about the guy who assembled the lamp in Timbuktu?

[LurkerNoMore]

Some thoughts that come to mind:

Capital murder cases can go on for years (see: West Memphis Three) and lawyers are required to file dozens of motions beforehand if the death penalty is on the table. Can Dunn afford a dream team of his own? If not, will any attorneys volunteer knowing they'll be in the spotlight? Will Dunn have access to all the tests Kevin's lawyers paid for to raise doubt? Is that discoverable here? If he can't afford a lawyer or even if he can afford a lawyer, will he be able to pay for experts of his own?

Many lawyers I know do not like capital cases because if there's a conviction and a sentence to death, appeals are automatic. It's a big deal. You're stuck on the case for years and years.

One good thing about that: Say there is a conviction and a death sentence. Then every aspect of the case will be looked at repeatedly on appeal - so there would be little room for doubt in the long run.

If this goes to trial - I guess we'd expect to see all the old faces again. It's a no brainer that Dunn's attorney would put Kevin on trial - then the State would be in the position of arguing why Kevin didn't do it. Interesting.

This is highly unusual.

I'm still hoping for a confession if Dunn is the one.

[sololobo]

Hmmm...seems to be a lot of in-fighting here. Just a reminder....this forum is not about pro-Kevin vs anti-Kevin. It is about Nona.

[LurkerNoMore]

Hmmm...seems to be a lot of in-fighting here. Just a reminder....this forum is not about pro-Kevin vs anti-Kevin. It is about Nona.

Agreed.

[lorettalockhorn]

Some thoughts that come to mind:

Capital murder cases can go on for years (see: West Memphis Three) and lawyers are required to file dozens of motions beforehand if the death penalty is on the table. Can Dunn afford a dream team of his own? If not, will any attorneys volunteer knowing they'll be in the spotlight? Will Dunn have access to all the tests Kevin's lawyers paid for to raise doubt? Is that discoverable here? If he can't afford a lawyer or even if he can afford a lawyer, will he be able to pay for experts of his own?

Many lawyers I know do not like capital cases because if there's a conviction and a sentence to death, appeals are automatic. It's a big deal. You're stuck on the case for years and years.

One good thing about that: Say there is a conviction and a death sentence. Then every aspect of the case will be looked at repeatedly on appeal - so there would be little room for doubt in the long run.

If this goes to trial - I guess we'd expect to see all the old faces again. It's a no brainer that Dunn's attorney would put Kevin on trial - then the State would be in the position of arguing why Kevin didn't do it. Interesting.

This is highly unusual.

I'm still hoping for a confession if Dunn is the one.

No doubt defending a capital offense is a longterm commitment. And it would seem that by arresting Dunn, The State has officially made its position clear; that they believe that Kevin is not guilty. Gibbons stated after the trial that he believed he he had tried the right perpetrator. Wonder if he has changed his mind.

If Dunn confesses, couldn't that take the death penalty off the table?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmm...seems to be a lot of in-fighting here. Just a reminder....this forum is not about pro-Kevin vs anti-Kevin. It is about Nona.

With the exception of a few posters, I think it's always been about Nona.

But the in-fighting has gone on for a long time too. Think that's why the mods had to institute the IP ban.

[hawgustusgloop]

LMAO!!!!!!! You're such a card!

I just don't see the point of arguing morals with that chick.

Ummm...no. The idea of morals is laughable in reference to someone who uses an Internet forum to harass a newborn. I'm just sayin'.

[LurkerNoMore]

No doubt defending a capital offense is a longterm commitment. And it would seem that by arresting Dunn, The State has officially made its position clear; that they believe that Kevin is not guilty. Gibbons stated after the trial that he believed he he had tried the right perpetrator. Wonder if he has changed his mind?

If Dunn confesses, couldn't that take the death penalty off the table?

I don't think so. Of course it depends on the situation but let's say he confesses then still attemps to defend against the charge, as happens often. I suppose he could say, "I'll plead guilty if you take the death penalty off the table."

It also depends on the State - they can pursue capital murder without the death penalty as well. The victim's family should have some input as well.

[TJEddie]

Forgive me if this is a re-post, but I believe this article has some quotes and comments that haven't shown up in other articles. (Debra Hale-Shelton is one of my favorites.)

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2008/aug/23/dirksmeyer-neighbor-charged-her-killing-20080823/?print

[JustCallMeNora]

Hmmm...seems to be a lot of in-fighting here. Just a reminder....this forum is not about pro-Kevin vs anti-Kevin. It is about Nona.

I agree, it SHOULD be about Nona, but this forum ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE about pro-Kevin vs anti-Kevin. That is simply what it is made of. No matter what occurs in this situation, in 10 years you will still have the Guilty Group here debating that Kevin Jones is guilty, even if Dunn confesses. I am sure if he confesses it will be because "the low down dirty scum of the earth defense pressured him to do it." LOL

[FDInLaw]

Forgive me if this is a re-post, but I believe this article has some quotes and comments that haven't shown up in other articles. (Debra Hale-Shelton is one of my favorites.)

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2008/aug/23/dirksmeyer-neighbor-charged-her-killing-20080823/?print
Thank you for the link! :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

From TJEddie's link:

"Russellville police detective Mark Frost testified that he was told by state Crime Laboratory technicians shortly after Dirksmeyer’s death that the wrapper could not be tested for DNA and fingerprints. The detective said he later learned that he had misunderstood."

I don't remember it happening this way, is this for real? That is a BIG misunderstanding.

[sololobo]

With the exception of a few posters, I think it's always been about Nona.

But the in-fighting has gone on for a long time too. Think that's why the mods had to institute the IP ban.

Yes it has. Far too many of these forum pages contain irrelevant personal attacks against Kevin, his family and friends, Carol and Duane, and each other.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes it has. Far too many of these forum pages contain irrelevant personal attacks against Kevin, his family and friends, Carol and Duane, and each other.

Yep. Supposedly that's why the use of the IP ban was instituted here. Then along came the proxy server.

[lorettalockhorn]

Forgive me if this is a re-post, but I believe this article has some quotes and comments that haven't shown up in other articles. (Debra Hale-Shelton is one of my favorites.)

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2008/aug/23/dirksmeyer-neighbor-charged-her-killing-20080823/?print

This is this morning's Gazette article. Normally I enjoy DHS's articles. This wasn't one of her best. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

From TJEddie's link:

"Russellville police detective Mark Frost testified that he was told by state Crime Laboratory technicians shortly after Dirksmeyer’s death that the wrapper could not be tested for DNA and fingerprints. The detective said he later learned that he had misunderstood."

I don't remember it happening this way, is this for real? That is a BIG misunderstanding.

Sheesh Don't remember that he misunderstood.

[jeremiads]

Did you really expect to have been involved with Nona and not have it picked apart, examined, and suspect in every way?Of course not, and it's why I cooperated fully, because I wanted to be all the help that I could be.

However, lying about me and my involvement with Nona to the police, the paper, and even spreading falsehoods into the Russellville public (and on this very forum) are the scummy parts. I guess you thought all of that was okay?

I guess it's okay to burn down the village sometime.

[upallnight]

No doubt defending a capital offense is a longterm commitment. And it would seem that by arresting Dunn, The State has officially made its position clear; that they believe that Kevin is not guilty. Gibbons stated after the trial that he believed he he had tried the right perpetrator. Wonder if he has changed his mind.

If Dunn confesses, couldn't that take the death penalty off the table?

I wonder to L, if they have enough on Dunn and Dunn wants to go for a lesser charge, could he not try to bargin his way out of capital murder by a possible confession? Major role of his attorney's advice to him once he gets one I guess.

[lorettalockhorn]

From TJEddie's link:

"Russellville police detective Mark Frost testified that he was told by state Crime Laboratory technicians shortly after Dirksmeyer’s death that the wrapper could not be tested for DNA and fingerprints. The detective said he later learned that he had misunderstood."

I don't remember it happening this way, is this for real? That is a BIG misunderstanding.

This is what The Courier reported:

When asked why he didn’t submit the condom wrapper for DNA testing, Frost said he called the State Crime Lab and was told he could either test for fingerprints or DNA, but not both. Frost said he opted to test for fingerprints.

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15414&Search=mark%20frost

Don't remember reading about the misunderstanding in the Gazette, either. Is my old mind failing me??

[Brown hound]

From TJEddie's link:

"Russellville police detective Mark Frost testified that he was told by state Crime Laboratory technicians shortly after Dirksmeyer’s death that the wrapper could not be tested for DNA and fingerprints. The detective said he later learned that he had misunderstood."

I don't remember it happening this way, is this for real? That is a BIG misunderstanding.

I remember it happening this way. I'm going to start searching through the old trial posts. I remember reading it in there.

[Brown hound]

Does anyone know where Christina is? And who is Justcall me Nora? Apparently I am the last to know the secret.........

[ValleyGirl]

This whole issue of people not jumping to conclusions and giving the new suspect a "innocent until proven guilty" thing makes me freaking scream! NOT ONE poster on this board was saying that when Kevin was in the sling! Or if it was said it was said with a dangling BUT...

This is the deal - point blank --- gripe all you want
Everyone said that Kevin did it and we all spent countless hours on here spewing our "knowledge" about the case. The problem that everyone is having with this now is that there is a legitimate suspect and NOBODY wants to admit - what if or I WAS WRONG. We are creatures who like to be right and we will not give that up for anything! Think Jon Benet Ramsey!!!!!

If the guy is convicted there will be rash of "Kevin still had something to do with it" posters. Sometimes a square peg will fit in a round hole. Sometimes things are not as crystal as we would believe them to be.

Baby steps people... I know the boards and our minds would probably melt down if we all gave this plausibility within our narrow little minds. So, can we PLEASE just stop with the analyzing of Kevin's every move and just accept that maybe and a BIG TIME maybe we were WRONG!!!!

[SaraSidle]

What if Nona was dating Dunn just a few times and did not know of his past?

[FDInLaw]

This whole issue of people not jumping to conclusions and giving the new suspect a "innocent until proven guilty" thing makes me freaking scream! NOT ONE poster on this board was saying that when Kevin was in the sling! Or if it was said it was said with a dangling BUT...

This is the deal - point blank --- gripe all you want
Everyone said that Kevin did it and we all spent countless hours on here spewing our "knowledge" about the case. The problem that everyone is having with this now is that there is a legitimate suspect and NOBODY wants to admit - what if or I WAS WRONG. We are creatures who like to be right and we will not give that up for anything! Think Jon Benet Ramsey!!!!!

If the guy is convicted there will be rash of "Kevin still had something to do with it" posters. Sometimes a square peg will fit in a round hole. Sometimes things are not as crystal as we would believe them to be.

Baby steps people... I know the boards and our minds would probably melt down if we all gave this plausibility within our narrow little minds. So, can we PLEASE just stop with the analyzing of Kevin's every move and just accept that maybe and a BIG TIME maybe we were WRONG!!!!Ah. . . why don't you come over and join the discussion about Gary Dunn??? Some of us are trying to start all over. I have been trying to tacitly prepare people for the possibility of another suspect for months. You are right though, it is hard to transition. I hear your frustration, but why not help out??? We all need to step back and reconsider the whole case. It's not easy to discard spectacles one has worn for a long time but it is the task at hand.
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291190

[lorettalockhorn]

This whole issue of people not jumping to conclusions and giving the new suspect a "innocent until proven guilty" thing makes me freaking scream! NOT ONE poster on this board was saying that when Kevin was in the sling! Or if it was said it was said with a dangling BUT...

This is the deal - point blank --- gripe all you want
Everyone said that Kevin did it and we all spent countless hours on here spewing our "knowledge" about the case. The problem that everyone is having with this now is that there is a legitimate suspect and NOBODY wants to admit - what if or I WAS WRONG. We are creatures who like to be right and we will not give that up for anything! Think Jon Benet Ramsey!!!!!

If the guy is convicted there will be rash of "Kevin still had something to do with it" posters. Sometimes a square peg will fit in a round hole. Sometimes things are not as crystal as we would believe them to be.

Baby steps people... I know the boards and our minds would probably melt down if we all gave this plausibility within our narrow little minds. So, can we PLEASE just stop with the analyzing of Kevin's every move and just accept that maybe and a BIG TIME maybe we were WRONG!!!!


WOW Where'd that come from?

What's wrong with being skeptical? This guy was a suspect with a history of violence and LE passed him over. (Maybe probabilities had something to do with that.) There isn't a time stamp on the condom wrapper to indicate when (let alone how or by whom) it was left behind. And Kevin's lies are a big part of why people felt (feel) the way that they do. Why not speculate?

Sheesh

[FDInLaw]

What if Nona was dating Dunn just a few times and did not know of his past?Excellent question! If there is evidence of a relationship that might legitimize the presence of the condom wrapper and suggest that the wrapper could have been there before the murder. However, the fact that the wrapper was found in plain sight just doesn't fit in my mind. Kevin was there the night before and would have easily seen it, right???

[ValleyGirl]

Please don't tell me what to do. You FD are a hypocrite yourself. It is so easy to sit back and say okay I am putting on my big girl pants and starting a new thread. I'm talking about years of our constant blabbing about the guilt of someone and now all of the sudden whomp there is a new direction and that is hard to swallow!

As far as Kevin lying. Gee, what guy his age doesn't lie? In fact, who on this board doesn't lie? Nobody is perfect and people lie everyday in the most insignificant situations. So, if someone is under the eye of our guilty glare then of course their every move will be picked apart.

Thankfully, LL we are not in the public, daily defending our every move or I am sure there would be people commenting on what a bunch of liars we are. People lie and the first person that says "no i never lie" needs to step back because lighting does strike.

Just admit that we were wrong on some things. Thats all I am saying. It's a beautiful thing... to be able to swallow your pride and say I was wrong. It is healing!

Please Please don't start a rampage about how none of us ever lie and we are certified non liars. People lie. Bottom line!

[lorettalockhorn]

Please don't tell me what to do. You FD are a hypocrite yourself. It is so easy to sit back and say okay I am putting on my big girl pants and starting a new thread. I'm talking about years of our constant blabbing about the guilt of someone and now all of the sudden whomp there is a new direction and that is hard to swallow!

As far as Kevin lying. Gee, what guy his age doesn't lie? In fact, who on this board doesn't lie? Nobody is perfect and people lie everyday in the most insignificant situations. So, if someone is under the eye of our guilty glare then of course their every move will be picked apart.

Thankfully, LL we are not in the public, daily defending our every move or I am sure there would be people commenting on what a bunch of liars we are. People lie and the first person that says "no i never lie" needs to step back because lighting does strike.

Just admit that we were wrong on some things. Thats all I am saying. It's a beautiful thing... to be able to swallow your pride and say I was wrong. It is healing!

Please Please don't start a rampage about how none of us ever lie and we are certified non liars. People lie. Bottom line!


Sorry, I for one take offense at your ridic edict that we should stop analyzing. That is the purpose of the forum and human nature to boot. And it will continue until and after the probably cause statement is made public.

Heck, yeah most of us have lied about something. But in public? To the police? When the chips were down? When justice was in the balance?

Oh, and what exactly are we wrong about?

[jeremiads]

I'm sorry, but until I see actual evidence against Dunn, I'll have a hard time shaking that people are just wanting to see a conviction and will rush to get one no matter what, because no one will give a crap if they pin it on a guy like this and he's convicted with flimsier evidence and a worse investigation than Kevin had.

Call me skeptical. Call me cynical. But I have no reason to trust the investigations at this point and the convenient timing of things from Kevin's camp all adds into it.

I have a hard time believing that we will see extremely solid evidence this time around, because if it were there, it would have been hard to miss--especially when they had this guy the first time.

[FDInLaw]

Please don't tell me what to do. You FD are a hypocrite yourself. It is so easy to sit back and say okay I am putting on my big girl pants and starting a new thread. I'm talking about years of our constant blabbing about the guilt of someone and now all of the sudden whomp there is a new direction and that is hard to swallow!

As far as Kevin lying. Gee, what guy his age doesn't lie? In fact, who on this board doesn't lie? Nobody is perfect and people lie everyday in the most insignificant situations. So, if someone is under the eye of our guilty glare then of course their every move will be picked apart.

Thankfully, LL we are not in the public, daily defending our every move or I am sure there would be people commenting on what a bunch of liars we are. People lie and the first person that says "no i never lie" needs to step back because lighting does strike.

Just admit that we were wrong on some things. Thats all I am saying. It's a beautiful thing... to be able to swallow your pride and say I was wrong. It is healing!

Please Please don't start a rampage about how none of us ever lie and we are certified non liars. People lie. Bottom line!Funny, it was a post you made about Nona's family that brought me here in the first place. Was the hypocrite statement suppose to hit hard??? I am well aware of who I am and my limitations. Yes, I am quite capable of being dead wrong. Your point? Kevin was not put on trial merely for lying. . . come on girl, you know better than that. :cool:

[ifIwereU]

I posted this on the GD thread but wanted to share it here also

"Kokes told the jury he found no evidence of forcible rape."

This was a quote from the Courier article during the trial

I wanted to point out the key word in his testimony......

[ValleyGirl]

Everything always comes full circle anyway.
Time will tell.

[sweetgranny]

I'm sorry, but until I see actual evidence against Dunn, I'll have a hard time shaking that people are just wanting to see a conviction and will rush to get one no matter what, because no one will give a crap if they pin it on a guy like this and he's convicted with flimsier evidence and a worse investigation than Kevin had.

Call me skeptical. Call me cynical. But I have no reason to trust the investigations at this point and the convenient timing of things from Kevin's camp all adds into it.

I have a hard time believing that we will see extremely solid evidence this time around, because if it were there, it would have been hard to miss--especially when they had this guy the first time.

I am concerned, too , that if he has a Public Defender he won't have the same chances that Kevin had and he just may be found guilty b/c of lack of defense.

[FDInLaw]

Everything always comes full circle anyway.
Time will tell.
Will you not stick around and give your input as the new evidence comes out? :shrug: I don't want to see you go. :(

[lorettalockhorn]

I am concerned, too , that if he has a Public Defender he won't have the same chances that Kevin had and he just may be found guilty b/c of lack of defense.

Exactly. Still scratching my head as to why LE didn't focus their tunnel vision on him to begin with and make him fit the crime.

[sweetgranny]

Exactly. Still scratching my head as to why LE didn't focus their tunnel vision on him to begin with and make him fit the crime.

He would have been a much easier target than KJ I would think

[hawgustusgloop]

Excellent question! If there is evidence of a relationship that might legitimize the presence of the condom wrapper and suggest that the wrapper could have been there before the murder. However, the fact that the wrapper was found in plain sight just doesn't fit in my mind. Kevin was there the night before and would have easily seen it, right???

I don't really think Nona would have been involved with that creepy dude, but I guess it is technically possible. I suppose he could have looked/seemed 'normal' if he tried. What I am kind of confused about is how Robbins can be SO SURE they weren't romantically involved. You can't really prove a negative...that they DIDN'T know each other, right? There could be no evidence they were acquainted, but you can't really be sure they never met.

[FDInLaw]

Exactly. Still scratching my head as to why LE didn't focus their tunnel vision on him to begin with and make him fit the crime.

He would have been a much easier target than KJ I would think
Guess it's possible that if Kevin would have just told LE the truth from the beginning none of this might have "happened to him."
:shrug: