Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[sololobo]

The only "evidence" against Kevin was a "tacky" bloody palm print on a light bulb which, more than likely, was made after discovery of the body. The prosecution could not prove a motive nor could they disprove Kevin's alibi. What else is there that would convince an unbiased jury to convict him?

[lorettalockhorn]

The only "evidence" against Kevin was a "tacky" bloody palm print on a light bulb which, more than likely, was made after discovery of the body. The prosecution could not prove a motive nor could they disprove Kevin's alibi. What else is there that would convince an unbiased jury to convict him?

I can understand your point with regard to the question of reasonable doubt.

Except for that unbiased thing.

[hawgustusgloop]

The only "evidence" against Kevin was a "tacky" bloody palm print on a light bulb which, more than likely, was made after discovery of the body. The prosecution could not prove a motive nor could they disprove Kevin's alibi. What else is there that would convince an unbiased jury to convict him?

I can also understand your point with regard to the question of reasonable doubt.

Except for that unbiased thing.

And I personally believe the light bulb was more than likely manufactured before the discovery of the body.

I am also very interested in JCMN's proof(!) that someone other than Kevin murdered Nona.

[sweetgranny]

Jack McQuary of Little Rock, a special prosecutor reviewing the Nona Dirksmeyer murder investigation, said Thursday investigators continue to re-interview witnesses questioned in connection with the original investigation.
"There's no imminent arrest, (and) no, there's no new information," McQuary said of the status of the investigation, which Russellville Police Department (RPD) Capt. Charlie Falwell said the RPD is not involved with.
Stacie Rhoads, an investigator with the Arkansas State Police, confirmed she had "been working on the new Dirksmeyer investigation" when contacted Thursday
In today's Courtier...I hope there are no typos. I just copied it from the paper

[FDInLaw]

Jack McQuary of Little Rock, a special prosecutor reviewing the Nona Dirksmeyer murder investigation, said Thursday investigators continue to re-interview witnesses questioned in connection with the original investigation.
"There's no imminent arrest, (and) no, there's no new information," McQuary said of the status of the investigation, which Russellville Police Department (RPD) Capt. Charlie Falwell said the RPD is not involved with.
Stacie Rhoads, an investigator with the Arkansas State Police, confirmed she had "been working on the new Dirksmeyer investigation" when contacted Thursday
In today's Courtier...I hope there are no typos. I just copied it from the paperThank you for posting this! :seeya:


:rose: Justice For Nona :rose:

[sweetgranny]

Thank you for posting this! :seeya:


:rose: Justice For Nona :rose:

note "no new information"....:confused:
I thought there was and that is the reason for the special prosecutor

[SaraSidle]

Sounds like they just wanted a fresh set of eyes on it to look over all the info and talk to people again to maybe find new info. Very frustrating.

[hawgustusgloop]

note "no new information"....:confused:
I thought there was and that is the reason for the special prosecutor

Thank you for posting that article, sweetgranny.

I am confused about that as well.....I wonder if that means "no new information" since the big announcement about the DNA match, or "no new information" PERIOD? Has anyone publicly acknowledged a match to the condom wrapper DNA and/or that it was attached to a "viable suspect" other than Kamp Kevin?

[TJEddie]

Until Judge Sutterfield lifts the order sealing the record, I think "no new information" is all we're likely to get in a public statement.

[lorettalockhorn]

Until Judge Sutterfield lifts the order sealing the record, I think "no new information" is all we're likely to get in a public statement.

Maybe from the State; it obviously didn't stop Robbins when he gave out information to 48 Hours (and KFSM?) at the eleventh hour before their broadcast. He should be held in contempt of court.

Thanks for posting The Courier blurb, Sweetgranny.

[sweetgranny]

Maybe from the State; it obviously didn't stop Robbins when he gave out information to 48 Hours (and KFSM?) at the eleventh hour before their broadcast. He should be held in contempt of court.

Thanks for posting The Courier blurb, Sweetgranny.Sure thing. I just didn't know how to post a link (which at 8:00AM this morning I am sure the link was not available) so I just copied it from the paper

[hawgustusgloop]

Until Judge Sutterfield lifts the order sealing the record, I think "no new information" is all we're likely to get in a public statement.

Let's say (hypothetically) that there is new information. Why would McQuary lie? Why not just refuse to comment?

[lorettalockhorn]

Sure thing. I just didn't know how to post a link (which at 8:00AM this morning I am sure the link was not available) so I just copied it from the paper

Their online posting policy is a true mystery. :shrug:

McQuary's statement is interesting in that 1) we don't know what question was actually asked, and 2) we don't know the time-frame of the "new" information that hasn't surfaced. Was it before or as of the time he was appointed? We should be able to have confidence that he's not giving out information in any way, shape, form or fashion since his appointment. Leave that to the JoneSycophants.

[hawgustusgloop]

1) we don't know what question was actually asked

Great point! The interviewer could have asked if there was any new information that could be released to the public.........or if the investigation has yielded any new information. Those two questions might have very different answers.

[sweetgranny]

For Nona:rose:

[JR2007]

The only "evidence" against Kevin was a "tacky" bloody palm print on a light bulb which, more than likely, was made after discovery of the body. The prosecution could not prove a motive nor could they disprove Kevin's alibi. What else is there that would convince an unbiased jury to convict him?

According to the evidence the palm print would have been nearly impossible to have been placed on discovery or the person would have to have been a contortionist.

As for as an alibi goes kj had none for the time of the murder. Of the 50 or so people investigated he was the only one who had no alibi.

Why lie about the time he showed up at the station.

Why was granny not included in original statements as to having seen him at the station.

Why have a buddy stop by to see if she's home when he knew she had other commitments for the time slot, or why didn't he just stop by New China on his way into town, since that was where she was to be at the time.

[SaraSidle]

According to the evidence the palm print would have been nearly impossible to have been placed on discovery or the person would have to have been a contortionist.

As for as an alibi goes kj had none for the time of the murder. Of the 50 or so people investigated he was the only one who had no alibi.

Why lie about the time he showed up at the station.

Why was granny not included in original statements as to having seen him at the station.

Why have a buddy stop by to see if she's home when he knew she had other commitments for the time slot, or why didn't he just stop by New China on his way into town, since that was where she was to be at the time.

I had those same questions JR

[Amy]

According to the evidence the palm print would have been nearly impossible to have been placed on discovery or the person would have to have been a contortionist.

As for as an alibi goes kj had none for the time of the murder. Of the 50 or so people investigated he was the only one who had no alibi.

Why lie about the time he showed up at the station.

Why was granny not included in original statements as to having seen him at the station.

Why have a buddy stop by to see if she's home when he knew she had other commitments for the time slot, or why didn't he just stop by New China on his way into town, since that was where she was to be at the time.

Exactly!!!!

[sololobo]

According to the evidence the palm print would have been nearly impossible to have been placed on discovery or the person would have to have been a contortionist.

As for as an alibi goes kj had none for the time of the murder. Of the 50 or so people investigated he was the only one who had no alibi.

Why lie about the time he showed up at the station.

Why was granny not included in original statements as to having seen him at the station.

Why have a buddy stop by to see if she's home when he knew she had other commitments for the time slot, or why didn't he just stop by New China on his way into town, since that was where she was to be at the time.

According to the evidence the palm print would have been nearly impossible to have been placed on discovery or the person would have to have been a contortionist.

Bacon demonstrated it would have been impossible for a palm print to have been made if Kevin was straddling the body when he pushed the lamp aside. The print could have been left when he turned the body over or when he went to the phone or at some other point. He did not spend the entire time straddling the body.

As for as an alibi goes kj had none for the time of the murder. Of the 50 or so people investigated he was the only one who had no alibi.

Kevin's alibi was he was home cleaning his room and loading the truck with trash and Marva donations. The prosecution did not disprove this. The vehicle did get loaded at some point in time.

As for checking the alibis of other suspects, a juror said it best. Did they check them "as well as they gathered evidence?"

Why lie about the time he showed up at the station.

It is difficult to remember every little detail and the exact times involved where recalling one's past activities. What time did he say he arrived at the station and how far off is that from the grandmother's testimony?

Why was granny not included in original statements as to having seen him at the station.

"He then went to his parents' gas station and talked to Blake Walters and his grandmother." Atkins Chronicle


http://www.atkinschronicle.com/anews4extra2.htm

Why have a buddy stop by to see if she's home when he knew she had other commitments for the time slot, or why didn't he just stop by New China on his way into town, since that was where she was to be at the time.

I see nothing suspicious about him having a close friend check on her while he was taking his mother to a Christmas party.

[jeremiads]

Yeah, there's nothing suspicious at all about sending your friend to check on your loved girlfriend you plan on proposing to, even though you know she's occupied heavily by finals that day and with plans during the evening. Then again, I think it's possible that someone with an extremely controlling personality wouldn't care about any of those things... or, someone trying to stage the scene.

Hey, everyone. The board stopped notifying me of new posts. I still haven't watched either 48 Hours or Dateline, but I guess I didn't make a surprise appearance on Dateline since I didn't hear about it.

[Amy]

I quit getting notices for a while, too. I just tho't there was no activity for a while, but maybe it was because I read and didn't post? But when I came back in and checked, and posted some, I started getting notices again.

I DO find it suspicious about asking a bud to check on a g/f when her calendar, as Jeremiads points out, was full that day. Why would he expect her to be home? She had to go to campus to take the exams. She had to go out to eat with her Little--and, if he says she cancelled that plan, he seemed to be the only one aware of that, cuz it seems the Little was contacting her about going. IMO, about the only one who would know the dinner was "cancelled" would be the one who knew she wouldn't be going--because she was too dead to get there.

I didn't know Nona, but from what I read about her, I really think one of the first persons she would have notified about a change in plans would be the other person involved--her Little Sister.

[SaraSidle]

Yeah, there's nothing suspicious at all about sending your friend to check on your loved girlfriend you plan on proposing to, even though you know she's occupied heavily by finals that day and with plans during the evening. Then again, I think it's possible that someone with an extremely controlling personality wouldn't care about any of those things... or, someone trying to stage the scene.

Hey, everyone. The board stopped notifying me of new posts. I still haven't watched either 48 Hours or Dateline, but I guess I didn't make a surprise appearance on Dateline since I didn't hear about it.

I have never received notices.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sara, when you click POST REPLY or QUOTE, scroll down and you will notice a section "Additional Options". Under Thread Subscription, click "Instant email notification".

[T Squared]

I'm new to this case, but I did watch both the DATELINE and 48 HOURS specials. I've also read a lot that here on the net. However, there are a few questions that I still have. Forgive me if someone already asked these somewhere on this board, but I couldn't read all 266 pages.

1. The photos from the crime scene show that Nona's apartment was pretty much ransacked. There were papers scattered all over the floor and such. Was she not a good housekeeper, or is this evidence of a struggle? I can't find any info regarding there being a huge struggle and I don't believe she had any other bruises or cuts on her body (from being thrown into a desk or such). Also, the police stated that Kevin had no cuts or bruises on his hands or body.

2. Exactly how many other boyfriends did Nona have? I read that she was cheating on Kevin with some other guy (alas the condom) and then I read somewhere that she had a FEW other boyfriends.

This seems very odd seeing as how Nona gave a key to her house to Kevin. If you are having other men come over for sexual trysts, would you give a key to your house to your unsuspecting boyfriend? I sure wouldn't. Doesn't really make sense.

3. It's stated that Nona's stepfather called her mother at work 8-10 times the afternoon of the murder. Does the stepfather not work? Why isn't HE at work during the day? Does anyone know what his job is? I totally agree that it seems very odd to call someone so many times, especially when they have a history of NOT calling. Did the police ever ask Nona's mother what he was calling her FOR so many times? Is there a record of this?

4. I'd also like a record of the stepfather's receipts. How many were there? And what were the times on each receipt? Is there a window large enough for him to have killed Nona? Should be very simple to find out. Either it was impossible for him to have commited the crime, or there's a window. Does anyone know for certain? Was this info ever released?

5. It sounds like the murder would have been VERY noisy. Were any of Nona's neighbors home that afternoon, and did anyone report hearing anything?

I must admit after everthing I've read and heard it seems to me that Kevin did not murder Nona. Too many things don't add up for me. And the police work (or lack thereof) makes it very difficult to figure out WHO DID murder her. Something is DEFINATELY very odd with Nona's mother and stepfather, but that doesn't make them murderers. However I would have to have some of my above questions answered before I could rule them out.

There's a couple things that I'm not remembering right now, but I'll add them later when I think of them. This is long enough as it is.

Thanks.

[sololobo]

Yeah, there's nothing suspicious at all about sending your friend to check on your loved girlfriend you plan on proposing to, even though you know she's occupied heavily by finals that day and with plans during the evening. Then again, I think it's possible that someone with an extremely controlling personality wouldn't care about any of those things... or, someone trying to stage the scene.

Hey, everyone. The board stopped notifying me of new posts. I still haven't watched either 48 Hours or Dateline, but I guess I didn't make a surprise appearance on Dateline since I didn't hear about it.

I see nothing suspicious at all asking a good friend in the vicinity of Nona's apartment to see if her car is there. When he reports back it is there, the next logical step would have him knock on the door to see if she is alright.

I do not know how detailed Kevin's knowledge was of Nona's schedule that day. Nor do I recognize any traits in Kevin's past and subsequent behavior of a "controlling personality". On the contrary, his leaving Russellville and Nona to go to the U of A tends to indicate otherwise.

[sololobo]

I'm new to this case, but I did watch both the DATELINE and 48 HOURS specials. I've also read a lot that here on the net. However, there are a few questions that I still have. Forgive me if someone already asked these somewhere on this board, but I couldn't read all 266 pages.

1. The photos from the crime scene show that Nona's apartment was pretty much ransacked. There were papers scattered all over the floor and such. Was she not a good housekeeper, or is this evidence of a struggle? I can't find any info regarding there being a huge struggle and I don't believe she had any other bruises or cuts on her body (from being thrown into a desk or such). Also, the police stated that Kevin had no cuts or bruises on his hands or body.

2. Exactly how many other boyfriends did Nona have? I read that she was cheating on Kevin with some other guy (alas the condom) and then I read somewhere that she had a FEW other boyfriends.

This seems very odd seeing as how Nona gave a key to her house to Kevin. If you are having other men come over for sexual trysts, would you give a key to your house to your unsuspecting boyfriend? I sure wouldn't. Doesn't really make sense.

3. It's stated that Nona's stepfather called her mother at work 8-10 times the afternoon of the murder. Does the stepfather not work? Why isn't HE at work during the day? Does anyone know what his job is? I totally agree that it seems very odd to call someone so many times, especially when they have a history of NOT calling. Did the police ever ask Nona's mother what he was calling her FOR so many times? Is there a record of this?

4. I'd also like a record of the stepfather's receipts. How many were there? And what were the times on each receipt? Is there a window large enough for him to have killed Nona? Should be very simple to find out. Either it was impossible for him to have commited the crime, or there's a window. Does anyone know for certain? Was this info ever released?

5. It sounds like the murder would have been VERY noisy. Were any of Nona's neighbors home that afternoon, and did anyone report hearing anything?

I must admit after everthing I've read and heard it seems to me that Kevin did not murder Nona. Too many things don't add up for me. And the police work (or lack thereof) makes it very difficult to figure out WHO DID murder her. Something is DEFINATELY very odd with Nona's mother and stepfather, but that doesn't make them murderers. However I would have to have some of my above questions answered before I could rule them out.

There's a couple things that I'm not remembering right now, but I'll add them later when I think of them. This is long enough as it is.

Thanks.

Welcome to the board, T Squared. I'll give you some abreviated answers and hopefully others will add more.

1. The photos from the crime scene show that Nona's apartment was pretty much ransacked. There were papers scattered all over the floor and such. Was she not a good housekeeper, or is this evidence of a struggle? I can't find any info regarding there being a huge struggle and I don't believe she had any other bruises or cuts on her body (from being thrown into a desk or such). Also, the police stated that Kevin had no cuts or bruises on his hands or body.

Nona was not a great housekeeper but several items were out of place. An end table across the room between a sofa and love seat had an overturned lamp and a spilled substance on it. There was a jar candle and a greeting card from Carol on the floor by the body and her cell phone, minus the battery, was on the floor.

2. Exactly how many other boyfriends did Nona have? I read that she was cheating on Kevin with some other guy (alas the condom) and then I read somewhere that she had a FEW other boyfriends.

This seems very odd seeing as how Nona gave a key to her house to Kevin. If you are having other men come over for sexual trysts, would you give a key to your house to your unsuspecting boyfriend? I sure wouldn't. Doesn't really make sense.

She had several other boyfriends in the immediate past but I don't know about the time of her murder. There is a possibility of a "Dear John'ed" ex-boyfriend.

3. It's stated that Nona's stepfather called her mother at work 8-10 times the afternoon of the murder. Does the stepfather not work? Why isn't HE at work during the day? Does anyone know what his job is? I totally agree that it seems very odd to call someone so many times, especially when they have a history of NOT calling. Did the police ever ask Nona's mother what he was calling her FOR so many times? Is there a record of this?

Duane was allegedly Christmas shopping at the time. I call home alot when I'm Christmas shopping to ask about what to buy individuals.

Duane is retired from the National Forestry Service.

4. I'd also like a record of the stepfather's receipts. How many were there? And what were the times on each receipt? Is there a window large enough for him to have killed Nona? Should be very simple to find out. Either it was impossible for him to have commited the crime, or there's a window. Does anyone know for certain? Was this info ever released?

It would be nice if we knew more about Duane's alibi merely to rule him out. He lives about 700 feet from Nona's apartment up a wooded hill criss-crossed with trails. It would be a difficult walk for someone his age though. Nor is there any known motive for him to be the killer.

5. It sounds like the murder would have been VERY noisy. Were any of Nona's neighbors home that afternoon, and did anyone report hearing anything?

I must admit after everthing I've read and heard it seems to me that Kevin did not murder Nona. Too many things don't add up for me. And the police work (or lack thereof) makes it very difficult to figure out WHO DID murder her. Something is DEFINATELY very odd with Nona's mother and stepfather, but that doesn't make them murderers. However I would have to have some of my above questions answered before I could rule them out.

The apartment complex consists of six buildings of three apartments each, three buildings on each side of a common parking area. Nona's apartment was on the end of one of the six buildings. The murder occurred in the rear of the apartment and any noise made probably could have only been heard from the apartment adjoining hers. I don't know if it was occupied at the time.

At this time, I think the worst we can accuse Duane of is being somewhat eccentric. He should be treated as a suspect if merely to eliminate him. I am inclined to believe the murderer lived in the complex, very close to Nona's apartment. He could exit the rear sliding door and entered his rear sliding door undected.

[The R]

All that you know about Kevin and his drinking is hearsay, nothing more.
I have nothing but heart felt sympathy for Carol.

Assuming your avatar is actually KJ, it tells me nothing. It does not tell me he is a raging alcoholic and druggie. It doesn't tell me he is a murderer. It shows a young man having a beer, and that in and of itself is not a crime, nor is it any of the things you all claim he is.


Why don't you make your argument a little more coherent? Obviously your first post was shown to be incorrect then you decide to change your mind as to the point of your argument or defense of KJ? Alcoholics usuallly suffer from denial, you don't have to.

ALLMO,
R

[FDInLaw]

Welcome to the Board T Squared! :seeya:

Sololobo gave a good response to your questions. Nona was the polar opposite of a neat freak and as such, I'm sure the investigators must have some difficulty determining which items were related to the crime and which were not.

Duane Dipert is apparently a man that needs to be walked through gift buying experiences. . . there is the first "what should I get ______?" call which is followed by the "I'm at the store. Now where do I find it?" call . . . and of course there are usually more questions and calls that follow. Personally, I find it enduring that he was doing his own shopping for Nona. But hey, my bias is known.

Number of boyfriends. . . this is a hard question to answer, Nona only really knew for sure I guess. This is one dynamic that makes this case difficult. All the possible motives that are considered for a significant other most be applied to a number of gents here. Kevin isn't the only one that could have gotten jealous and "lost it." From his own statements, it appears that he was the most vested, and that in my mind makes him more likely from a motive standpoint. JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it's also possible that the killer tossed Nona's apartment after the murder, either looking for something or to make it look like a break-in. I also think that some of the disarray could have come from KJ et al looking for Nona's address in the dark.

As for Kevin asking RW to check on Nona, Ryan testified that he thought it was strange since he didn't know her. That Kevin would have expected Nona to be home at all is a whole nuther issue.

[SaraSidle]

I'm new to this case, but I did watch both the DATELINE and 48 HOURS specials. I've also read a lot that here on the net. However, there are a few questions that I still have. Forgive me if someone already asked these somewhere on this board, but I couldn't read all 266 pages.

1. The photos from the crime scene show that Nona's apartment was pretty much ransacked. There were papers scattered all over the floor and such. Was she not a good housekeeper, or is this evidence of a struggle? I can't find any info regarding there being a huge struggle and I don't believe she had any other bruises or cuts on her body (from being thrown into a desk or such). Also, the police stated that Kevin had no cuts or bruises on his hands or body.

2. Exactly how many other boyfriends did Nona have? I read that she was cheating on Kevin with some other guy (alas the condom) and then I read somewhere that she had a FEW other boyfriends.

This seems very odd seeing as how Nona gave a key to her house to Kevin. If you are having other men come over for sexual trysts, would you give a key to your house to your unsuspecting boyfriend? I sure wouldn't. Doesn't really make sense.

3. It's stated that Nona's stepfather called her mother at work 8-10 times the afternoon of the murder. Does the stepfather not work? Why isn't HE at work during the day? Does anyone know what his job is? I totally agree that it seems very odd to call someone so many times, especially when they have a history of NOT calling. Did the police ever ask Nona's mother what he was calling her FOR so many times? Is there a record of this?

4. I'd also like a record of the stepfather's receipts. How many were there? And what were the times on each receipt? Is there a window large enough for him to have killed Nona? Should be very simple to find out. Either it was impossible for him to have commited the crime, or there's a window. Does anyone know for certain? Was this info ever released?

5. It sounds like the murder would have been VERY noisy. Were any of Nona's neighbors home that afternoon, and did anyone report hearing anything?

I must admit after everthing I've read and heard it seems to me that Kevin did not murder Nona. Too many things don't add up for me. And the police work (or lack thereof) makes it very difficult to figure out WHO DID murder her. Something is DEFINATELY very odd with Nona's mother and stepfather, but that doesn't make them murderers. However I would have to have some of my above questions answered before I could rule them out.

There's a couple things that I'm not remembering right now, but I'll add them later when I think of them. This is long enough as it is.

Thanks.

T Squared welcome to CL. Lot of great posters here. THe biggest problem in this case in my opinion is the fact there may or may not be evidence but we do not know a lot of it. Therefore we can only conjecture which is frustrating. I am new at this case and I do not know enough to consider a POI but you will have your questions answered as much as possible from a lot of others here who know this case. thanks for posting. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Sara, when you click POST REPLY or QUOTE, scroll down and you will notice a section "Additional Options". Under Thread Subscription, click "Instant email notification".

Thank you so much loretta. I did it. There is so much I did not know about. heck I just learned about rep points a short time ago. Now I am trying to catch up.

[upallnight]

Welcome to the board T Squared
2. Exactly how many other boyfriends did Nona have? I read that she was cheating on Kevin with some other guy (alas the condom) and then I read somewhere that she had a FEW other boyfriends.

Just wanted to say IMO the defense sure did like to talk about Nona and what boyfriends she had. KJ's defense team did everything they could in that trial to hide the fact that KJ had been with other girls. In fact, he was with one just shortly before she was murdered. I agree that anyone that was with Nona around the time she was murdered should have been looked at. I even agree that investigators needed to know of people she had relationships with and needed to know about those relationships to rule them in or out as a suspect, depending on alibi's - motive - etc. What I do not agree with is the fact that KJ seemed to be protected as to his relationships more than Nona and she was the victim. Since KJ was on trial for her murder, I do think the truth about all his relationships should have been revealed. It seems to me the defense tried to make it look like only Nona had other relationships, this is not the case but their tactic worked from what some people have said. The jury IMO seemed to ask questions about someone other than KJ and was told by the Judge that could not be told to them. Maybe if they had of keyed in on the evidence against KJ and not tried to find a reason to suspect someone else the verdict may have been different-who knows. I don't know who killed Nona, but IMO given the time line KJ had plenty of time to kill her. He said that Nona and his relationship (sexually) was exclusive, but indeed-he himself was having sex with other girls. Granny gave the alibi of her seeing him at the station many, many months later. Why did she not stand up the very first moment and say-no, he was with me. Even given her time line, KJ still could have done it. It just threw another alibi in there that was just enough to put reasonable doubt into the minds of some. If he did not kill Nona, the same thing apply's, why did she not say so in the beginning. There is much to this story and many questions. All I know is I hope we find out the truth but unless someone else is charged and I hear/see evidence against them, I stand by the evidence they have against KJ and think they had the right person on trial. Heck, if KJ was so worried about Nona, he was right up town earlier that day. Why did he not just go by her apartment then? He called her when he knew she was to be at an exam-he could have drove by Tech also, it is right on the way either direction to and from Russellville. Some things just don't add up to me! He stated the the dinner Nona had with her Little had been cancelled. That was not true either, the Little called trying to reach Nona. Anyway, welcome to the board and I just hope we do not all end up with more questions than answer's from this new investigation.

[SaraSidle]

Upallnight what new investigation is this you are talking about? I do not remember hearing a thing. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Upallnight what new investigation is this you are talking about? I do not remember hearing a thing. IMO

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=17620&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

[SaraSidle]

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=17620&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

Thanks loretta. I am sure that has been posted before and I do not know how I missed it. I hope something happens this time.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks loretta. I am sure that has been posted before and I do not know how I missed it. I hope something happens this time.
Trying to stay hopeful here as the months drag on. The new investigation started with the discovery of dna on the condom wrapper. If it can be proven that the owner had consensual sex with Nona, I doubt much will come of this unless the individual can be linked to the murder another way. In other words, it could be that the wrapper was there legitimately BEFORE the crime. It's hard to speculate much without knowing who the new POI is (I assume there is one since the dna was identified [at least in part]). Lots of questions. . . hope we get some answers in time. :(

[lorettalockhorn]

I think the problem that I have with the condom wrapper belonging to Nona's secret lover, is that it was found on the countertop. Are we to assume that she had a visitor after the very late night phone call with Kevin, but before her final exam? Was it on the countertop the night before when Kevin visited and he didn't notice it? Did John Doe kill Nona and place the wrapper in the kitchen thinking that it would implicate Kevin (or someone else)? Does anyone really think that John Doe is a stranger?

If the new investigation doesn't go anywhere, I don't think we'll ever know the source of the DNA (unless the defense provides it like they have other information. They claim that the DNA was identified, but from what source? If the new investigation points to Kevin, I'm not sure that we'll ever know that either.

[FDInLaw]

I think the problem that I have with the condom wrapper belonging to Nona's secret lover, is that it was found on the countertop. Are we to assume that she had a visitor after the very late night phone call with Kevin, but before her final exam? Was it on the countertop the night before when Kevin visited and he didn't notice it? Did John Doe kill Nona and place the wrapper in the kitchen thinking that it would implicate Kevin (or someone else)? Does anyone really think that John Doe is a stranger?

If the new investigation doesn't go anywhere, I don't think we'll ever know the source of the DNA (unless the defense provides it like they have other information. They claim that the DNA was identified, but from what source? If the new investigation points to Kevin, I'm not sure that we'll ever know that either. Keeping in mind the messy state Nona's apartment was generally in. . . it is possible that the condom wrapper was there days BEFORE the murder. If it was the "trigger" it could have been found just about anywhere and then placed on the counter when Nona was confronted. Just a thought.

Regarding a new POI. . . if in fact the defense knows the identity of the owner of the dna (and how could they not?) I'm sure we WILL hear about him/her. Wasn't that the point in the first place? To find someone other than Kevin to point the finger at? They are getting paid to find the "real" killer, and (given their past behavior) I wager they will not pass the opportunity up to throw this guy/gal out there for the public to paw over EVEN if the new PA decides that charges will not be filled. Quite frankly, I'm surprised they have managed to keep a lid on it this long. I just really don't see them keeping it to themselves. . . how would that serve their purpose??? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess my question really is; how was the DNA matched? To what database? Whose DNA records did the defense have? And although I don't believe for a minute that Kevin really believed that he and Nona shared a very exclusive relationship, that's what he told LE. So his finding out that they didn't would be a very strong motive, whether it was a year before the murder or the night before the murder. As for any other young men that Nona may have been intimate with; I find it very unlikely that they didn't know about Kevin.

And wouldn't naming the POI be libel of sorts if he isn't indicted? Is The State really going to go there? Yeah, I know the defense might. They did it to Jeremy Martin. Along with The Courier's help.

[Amy]

Welcome to the board T Squared

snip.....
Heck, if KJ was so worried about Nona, he was right up town earlier that day. Why did he not just go by her apartment then? He called her when he knew she was to be at an exam-he could have drove by Tech also, it is right on the way either direction to and from Russellville. Some things just don't add up to me! He stated the the dinner Nona had with her Little had been cancelled. That was not true either, the Little called trying to reach Nona. Anyway, welcome to the board and I just hope we do not all end up with more questions than answer's from this new investigation.

Good point. Maybe he DID just go by her apartment then?

[hawgustusgloop]

Quite frankly, I'm surprised they have managed to keep a lid on it this long. I just really don't see them keeping it to themselves. . . how would that serve their purpose??? :shrug:

I am surprised, too. I wonder why they haven't thrown that person under the bus yet? It's not like they are above that type of thing.

[hawgustusgloop]

I guess my question really is; how was the DNA matched? To what database? Whose DNA records did the defense have?

Maybe Kevin pointed them in the right direction as to whose DNA it might be, and Granny Jones followed that person around for days waiting to pick up a discarded piece of gum or coffee cup?

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe Kevin pointed them in the right direction as to whose DNA it might be, and Granny Jones followed that person around for days waiting to pick up a discarded piece of gum or coffee cup?

Okay, that made me laugh.

I guess I thought the DNA database was restricted information; like social security numbers supposedly are. But it was the defense who announced that they had matched the DNA. Does every Tom, Dick and Harry have access to that information?

[SaraSidle]

Okay, that made me laugh.

I guess I thought the DNA database was restricted information; like social security numbers supposedly are. But it was the defense who announced that they had matched the DNA. Does every Tom, Dick and Harry have access to that information?


Loretta that made me laugh also. Isn't the defense entitled to all evidence LE and prosecutor's have? I am not sure. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta that made me laugh also. Isn't the defense entitled to all evidence LE and prosecutor's have? I am not sure. IMO

In preparation for a trial, all information is exchanged in the discovery process. (The State is also informed of any information that the defense possesses.) Does that include the entire database for all DNA? Wouldn't that include the results of millions of samples?

Or did someone supply DNA samples for this case in particular and the defense was able to use it for comparison even though it wasn't part of the trial?

[SaraSidle]

In preparation for a trial, all information is exchanged in the discovery process. (The State is also informed of any information that the defense possesses.) Does that include the entire database for all DNA? Wouldn't that include the results of millions of samples?

Or did someone supply DNA samples for this case in particular and the defense was able to use it for comparison even though it wasn't part of the trial?

I got it. I have no idea although I would think the defense could only see what is relevant to Nona and the defendant. IMO

[FDInLaw]

In preparation for a trial, all information is exchanged in the discovery process. (The State is also informed of any information that the defense possesses.) Does that include the entire database for all DNA? Wouldn't that include the results of millions of samples?

Or did someone supply DNA samples for this case in particular and the defense was able to use it for comparison even though it wasn't part of the trial?Once their client was acquitted, wouldn't Kevin's lawyers be out of the info loop??? They legally don't have a right of disclosure in the present investigation do they???

Backing up (trying to clear this up in my mind). . . the defense found male dna on the wrapper. They then turned this over to the State back in Dec. (?). . . was it not the State that then found a match??? Then (conveniently) before the 48 Hours show the defense announced that a match had been made. . . soooooooooooooo, it seems to me that someone is keeping them in the loop. It's still a "mystery" who handed over all the crime scene photos and the video of Jeremy Martin to 48 Hours and Dateline. Hummm.

[lorettalockhorn]

This is the article posted in February re: Robbins and the DNA evidence. IF the defense was able to find a lab to assay (or whatever the term is) the DNA, that is well and good. But was the condom wrapper turned over to them? When? Wasn't the special prosecutor well into the new investigation at this point? Is the defense an active part of McQuary's team?

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7833750

[FDInLaw]

This is the article posted in February re: Robbins and the DNA evidence. IF the defense was able to find a lab to assay (or whatever the term is) the DNA, that is well and good. But was the condom wrapper turned over to them? When? Wasn't the special prosecutor well into the new investigation at this point? Is the defense an active part of McQuary's team?

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7833750
RUSSELLVILLE - Defense attorneys for a man found not guilty of murdering Russellville beauty queen, Nona Dirksmeyer say they have evidence that points to the real killer.
. . .

The defense team says a DNA match has been made. "This DNA evidence points toward a viable suspect in the case," Robbins wrote.

His statement didn't narrow down on whose DNA it was, but the defense team says it turned over the evidence to prosecutors.

Since late January, Jack Mcquary has been working on the case. He was assigned as special prosecutor. He says he was aware of the information provided by Jones' attorneys and it's one of the things he's looking into.

He wouldn't talk specifically about what else he's focusing his efforts on, but said he's looking at other possibilities too.


I find the level of presumption humorous. . . no tunnel vision here LOL. :D Quote "they have evidence that points to the real killer". . . there's no question huh? Sorry. . . getting sidetracked in ironyville. . .

Intersting that McQuary states that they are looking at "other possibilities" too. . . wonder what they could be???

[SaraSidle]

I find the level of presumption humorous. . . no tunnel vision here LOL. :D Quote "they have evidence that points to the real killer". . . there's no question huh? Sorry. . . getting sidetracked in ironyville. . .

Intersting that McQuary states that they are looking at "other possibilities" too. . . wonder what they could be???


This is such a mess. I really see what you mean now loretta. Why would Robbins have that DNA info and FD why would he announce it does not point to KJ. That is information the prosecutor should be releasing. Thanks for the article. while it muddies up things it also provides a lot more info and exposing rumors. I sure hope this gets resolved. IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I find the level of presumption humorous. . . no tunnel vision here LOL. :D Quote "they have evidence that points to the real killer". . . there's no question huh? Sorry. . . getting sidetracked in ironyville. . .

Intersting that McQuary states that they are looking at "other possibilities" too. . . wonder what they could be???

Yeah, it's like the defense has known all along who the real killer is and only needed the proof to tie him to the crime. (Why don't we have a sarcasm smiley?!?)

This is such a mess. I really see what you mean now loretta. Why would Robbins have that DNA info and FD why would he announce it does not point to KJ. That is information the prosecutor should be releasing. Thanks for the article. while it muddies up things it also provides a lot more info and exposing rumors. I sure hope this gets resolved. IMO.

Even if Robbins was on McQuary's team, he has no business making a statement to the press after the judge ordered the case sealed back in December. I hope he has been sufficiently spanked.

If people are to take the judicial system and their elected officials seriously, they don't need to be reading that attorneys are getting away with contempt of court in the newspapers or all over the internet.

[Amy]

Loretta that made me laugh also. Isn't the defense entitled to all evidence LE and prosecutor's have? I am not sure. IMO

But, I would think the defense already has this information--they are the ones who "leaked" the news about it, IRRC

[SaraSidle]

But, I would think the defense already has this information--they are the ones who "leaked" the news about it, IRRC

I know Amy. I am learning more and more about this case every day. loretta and FD have been very patient. This leaking thing is such a travesty. I wonder if he got paid to say that or was looking for publicity. Very strange indeed. IMO

[FDInLaw]

But, I would think the defense already has this information--they are the ones who "leaked" the news about it, IRRC

This whole thing is beyond messy. . . the defense team has an inescapable conflict of interest. The evidence should have been turned over to the State QUIETLY. The timing of the press release makes their intentions crystal clear.

Gibbons and the RPD had enough sense to step aside and ask for the State to handle the second investigation on their own. It would be nice if Kevin's lawyers would stay out of the mix as well. The less bias the better. JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

This whole thing is beyond messy. . . the defense team has an inescapable conflict of interest. The evidence should have been turned over to the State QUIETLY. The timing of the press release makes their intentions crystal clear.

Gibbons and the RPD had enough sense to step aside and ask for the State to handle the second investigation on their own. It would be nice if Kevin's lawyers would stay out of the mix as well. The less bias the better. JMO

But, but, but if they're not out thumping their chests in public, how can they make it known that they have so much faith in KJ's innocence that they are working gratis? Deflect much?

[FDInLaw]

But, but, but if they're not out thumping their chests in public, how can they make it known that they have so much faith in KJ's innocence that they are working gratis? Deflect much?
That there is my point lol! Conflict of interest. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

That there is my point lol! Conflict of interest. :hat:

Gotta love a bunch of self-serving showboaters who supply so much material for a good bashing.

:rolleyes: Oh, we do have a sarcasm smiley!

[SaraSidle]

Gotta love a bunch of self-serving showboaters who supply so much material for a good bashing.

:rolleyes: Oh, we do have a sarcasm smiley!


LOL loretta thanks. I will start using that smiley when I have been here longer. It really is showboating isn't it. Makes it more disgusting IMO

[upallnight]

But, but, but if they're not out thumping their chests in public, how can they make it known that they have so much faith in KJ's innocence that they are working gratis? Deflect much?

Ha ha ha! Well, I agree with FD that KJ's attorneys should stay out of it at this point, just as Gibbons is staying out of it. But - L, you sure make a good point! Kind of like a kid caught with their hand in the cookie jar. You tell it like it is that is for sure, just lost a few chips I was eating! Felt kind of good though, I needed a good laugh! OMG you are a keeper!

[sololobo]

When I first heard the defense had matched the DNA sample, I assumed it was from a criminal data base. IIRC, Kevin was the only one to give a DNA sample before the trial. IIRC, Jeremy posted he gave a sample in October, after the trial, not to the defense but to, I assume, LE, and others gave them also. Did LE allow the defense access to these new samples or did they match them to a criminal data base?

Some time ago, IIRC, someone posted a rumor about an ex-con living in Nona's apartment complex. If this is true, perhaps this person was one of the un-named suspects. Might we assume something in the investigation would have excluded this ex-con if this rumor is true?

[FDInLaw]

When I first heard the defense had matched the DNA sample, I assumed it was from a criminal data base. IIRC, Kevin was the only one to give a DNA sample before the trial. IIRC, Jeremy posted he gave a sample in October, after the trial, not to the defense but to, I assume, LE, and others gave them also. Did LE allow the defense access to these new samples or did they match them to a criminal data base?

Some time ago, IIRC, someone posted a rumor about an ex-con living in Nona's apartment complex. If this is true, perhaps this person was one of the un-named suspects. Might we assume something in the investigation would have excluded this ex-con if this rumor is true?Hey! A question came to my mind the other day. . . during the trial you spent a lot of time on York. Has your opinion about him changed at all? Is he still one of your prime suspects??? Just curious. :hat:

Your post here brings up a good point. . . dna samples were collected after the trial.

[lorettalockhorn]

When I first heard the defense had matched the DNA sample, I assumed it was from a criminal data base. IIRC, Kevin was the only one to give a DNA sample before the trial. IIRC, Jeremy posted he gave a sample in October, after the trial, not to the defense but to, I assume, LE, and others gave them also. Did LE allow the defense access to these new samples or did they match them to a criminal data base?

Some time ago, IIRC, someone posted a rumor about an ex-con living in Nona's apartment complex. If this is true, perhaps this person was one of the un-named suspects. Might we assume something in the investigation would have excluded this ex-con if this rumor is true?

Good question. In my mind, the defense would not be privy to such information, but would turn anything over to an investigation. But then you have Robbins statement that could be interpreted as the defense having pointed The State in the direction of the real killer who was known all along. :confused:

The judge needs to stifle the defense. Or maybe he has.

So Martin gave a DNA sample (and didn't RW also at the time of the murder?).

[FDInLaw]

No idea. I imagine that, ideally, they would want samples from every person that had a finger pointed at them for even a second.

"Robbins also declined a request to name the person to whom the DNA was matched. He said there was an individual who voluntarily provided a sample during Jones’ trial in July — but then added the DNA profile obtained from the condom wrapper was not matched to that person." Courier

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=17630

It appears you were the only one to give a sample.

That isn't referencing me. I just checked and I didn't give my DNA sample until October of 2007, after the trial. So, don't go checking for Courier reports on who gave what sample, since that's not exactly going to be public information. Bumping. . .

[lorettalockhorn]

That isn't referencing me. I just checked and I didn't give my DNA sample until October of 2007, after the trial. So, don't go checking for Courier reports on who gave what sample, since that's not exactly going to be public information.

I'm sure The Courier would love to know what's going on, just like the rest of us. Glad McQuary's team is able to keep a lid on things.

[lorettalockhorn]

In today's Courier Best of the River Valley (or whatever it's called), Jeff Phillips was named Best Attorney. And (drum roll, please), Janie Ginnochio was named Best Reporter.

[lorettalockhorn]

In today's Courier Best of the River Valley (or whatever it's called), Jeff Phillips was named Best Attorney. And (drum roll, please), Janie Ginocchio was named Best Reporter.

[jeremiads]

In today's Courier Best of the River Valley (or whatever it's called), Jeff Phillips was named Best Attorney. And (drum roll, please), Janie Ginocchio was named Best Reporter.I just named myself King of Fantasyland, and I hope everyone comes by my home to give me suitable gifts for this prestigious honor.

Right. Seeing this sort of nonsense from the Courier makes me want to get a subscription just so I can cancel it.

As for that DNA talk from earlier, I wouldn't think the defense would have access to, for example, my sample--much in the same way that they weren't allowed access to a lot of information about me because it was all irrelevant despite their chest-beating over it.

Now, if I found out the defense did get access to my sample, then you can pretty much guarantee that any cooperation from me with anybody would be over, because I'm already angry that someone in the RPD or prosecution side let that damn interrogation video go to the media.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey JM! :seeya: Well, I am The Queen of Mulch, myself. And I will be accepting any and all gifts that have nothing to do with weeds, weeding, or um mulch! Potent potables would be nice.

Funny, I had never assumed that The State had anything to do with turning over your interview tape. As for the defense having access to anything (at this point), I'm wondering on what basis. They aren't on retainer, they aren't billing the Joneses, are they actually still the attorneys of record? Does every Tom, Dick and Harry with a shingle and Esq next to his/her name have access to the fruits of an investigation? Based on what?

When it comes to this case, I smell a rat. A big effing rat.

[lorettalockhorn]

And I also wonder if Mr. Robbins isn't The King of Semantics. That the DNA sample has been identified as belonging to a viable suspect may be Defense Speak for it actually belonging to the rest of the world excluding KJ. It still could have come out of the trash. Just because it has been extrapolated, doesn't necessarily mean that it has been matched to any database or particular donor.

[hawgustusgloop]

And I also wonder if Mr. Robbins isn't The King of Semantics.

Yes, yes, yes. Mark me down for "business end" of the lamp as well. And "dark characters." And "lied about the 'nature' of his relationship." So conveniently yet desperately vague.

[sololobo]

Hey! A question came to my mind the other day. . . during the trial you spent a lot of time on York. Has your opinion about him changed at all? Is he still one of your prime suspects??? Just curious. :hat:

Your post here brings up a good point. . . dna samples were collected after the trial.

There is not enough evidence to pinpoint one suspect. Everyone is a suspect:) Playing the odds, the simplest explanation for any event is usually the correct one. What is the simplest scenerio for the murderer being able to get away with this so far? No one saw him or heard him. If the killer was parked out front, he would have to worry about his vehicle being seen. I don't see someone parked out front staging a crime scene when a mere glance from another tenant places him at the scene. This would have to be a major concern for the murderer.

The simplest scenerio is the killer lived in the complex near Nona's apartment. He knew the basic schedules of the other tenants and was somewhat confident no one would hear the noise and would not see him exit the rear of the apartment and enter his own. He would only have to be concerned about the traffic on Inglewood and 12th. The blood on the sliding door blinds indicate he checked to see if the coast was clear.

Also, the killer must have some blood on his clothes and body. I don't see Kevin running around Dover in the same clothes he just committed murder in.

Was the knife used from the apartment or did the killer bring it? If not premeditated and the killer brought, it was probably a pocket or utility knife. The four stab wounds were very shallow. Does this indicate the killer was timid about stabbing her? He struck her very hard and I don't think he was timid at all. Does it imply he was torturing her? Possibly. Did the knife have a short blade which could only inflict shallow wounds such as a utility knife (box cutters)? Were the wounds consistent with a utility knife? Who carries a utility knife? Stockers, warehousemen, shipping employees, construction workers, etc. Where did the nearby tenants work?

I have too many questions to suspect one particular person. Hopefully, the new investigation will uncover more clues.

[sololobo]

I just named myself King of Fantasyland, and I hope everyone comes by my home to give me suitable gifts for this prestigious honor.

Right. Seeing this sort of nonsense from the Courier makes me want to get a subscription just so I can cancel it.

As for that DNA talk from earlier, I wouldn't think the defense would have access to, for example, my sample--much in the same way that they weren't allowed access to a lot of information about me because it was all irrelevant despite their chest-beating over it.

Now, if I found out the defense did get access to my sample, then you can pretty much guarantee that any cooperation from me with anybody would be over, because I'm already angry that someone in the RPD or prosecution side let that damn interrogation video go to the media.

I agree. I doubt LE turned their samples over to the defense after the trial. I tend to believe they matched the sample to a criminal database.

[sololobo]

In today's Courier Best of the River Valley (or whatever it's called), Jeff Phillips was named Best Attorney. And (drum roll, please), Janie Ginocchio was named Best Reporter.

Perhaps Ms. Ginocchio's sprinting ability from hordes of rabid, blood thirsty reporters was a factor in this award:)

[iluvmua]

I just really wish somebody would come forward and tell the truth so that Nona and Her family can have some justice.

I don't care who confesses to the murder (even if KJ says that he is the person that committed the crime).

It seems that everybody on this board is ready for this to all be over with, I know I am.

This December 15th will be three years since Nona's death

I don't want her case to be like so many others where everybody waits years to find out what happened to a loved one.

[iluvmua]

I just really wish somebody would come forward and tell the truth so that Nona and Her family can have some justice.

I don't care who confesses to the murder (even if KJ says that he is the person that committed the crime).

It seems that everybody on this board is ready for this to all be over with, I know I am.

This December 15th will be three years since Nona's death

I don't want her case to be like so many others where everybody waits years to find out what happened to a loved one.

[Serial Killer X]

for some reason my first thought was a classmate or someone at her school.. somoeone who knows her schedule.. so sad..

There was a girl recently murdered here in Ottawa and her boyfriend was listening on the phone with her when she was attacked, i can't imagine what that would do to someone..

Omg That Is Unbelievebly Horrible How Bad Would You Feel If You Were The Boyfreind.

[SaraSidle]

loretta and FDInLaw please be patient. Can you please tell me again how the defense attorney got DNA before LE? And in fact if they did get it it was after the trial?

[lorettalockhorn]

Frost explained why the condom wrapper wasn't tested for DNA in his testimony:

When asked why he didn’t submit the condom wrapper for DNA testing, Frost said he called the State Crime Lab and was told he could either test for fingerprints or DNA, but not both. Frost said he opted to test for fingerprints.

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15414&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

Courier article about the DNA match:

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=17630&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

I think the statement that Robbins made about the DNA match leading to a viable suspect has been removed, but it may have been copied in the forum somewhere.

The condom wrapper has it's own thread:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=290594

Hope this helps.

Johnson's comments to NBC:

Johnson: None of that was done. None of that was done. We did it. We tried. We found the DNA. We sent the prophylactic wrapper off to a lab and they found the DNA. It was like it didn’t matter. The DNA was some other male’s.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24433365/page/5/

[lorettalockhorn]

From the KFSM website:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7833750

(Sorry, couldn't remember who posted this before.)

[TJEddie]

About where the dna comparison samples came from:

"Robbins, commenting Thursday on why it took so long to find a match for the DNA, said, “Because [the defense has ] had to do it. We don’t have the resources the state has. We can’t compel people to give us a DNA sample.... We had to track down people we felt were suspects in our mind.”

And from the prosecution side:

"When asked what actions on the part of the law enforcement deemed the file to be active or ongoing, Gibbons said, “Well, there are some samples being taken, and that is all I’m going to say at this time.”

So it sounds like both teams went out and collected specific comparison samples, each based on their own theories. Apparently the defense got a hit on one of their suspects. Whether that suspect was also included in the prosecution's sample hasn't been made public. (And yeah, it sounds like Hawg may have been right about the defense team's surreptitious collection of some samples.) Anyway, it doesn't sound like the match came from any official database or from any info sharing.

Sources for the quotes (along with other interesting info) can be found in articles posted here:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=614

[SaraSidle]

About where the dna comparison samples came from:

"Robbins, commenting Thursday on why it took so long to find a match for the DNA, said, “Because [the defense has ] had to do it. We don’t have the resources the state has. We can’t compel people to give us a DNA sample.... We had to track down people we felt were suspects in our mind.”

And from the prosecution side:

"When asked what actions on the part of the law enforcement deemed the file to be active or ongoing, Gibbons said, “Well, there are some samples being taken, and that is all I’m going to say at this time.”

So it sounds like both teams went out and collected specific comparison samples, each based on their own theories. Apparently the defense got a hit on one of their suspects. Whether that suspect was also included in the prosecution's sample hasn't been made public. (And yeah, it sounds like Hawg may have been right about the defense team's surreptitious collection of some samples.) Anyway, it doesn't sound like the match came from any official database or from any info sharing.

Sources for the quotes (along with other interesting info) can be found in articles posted here:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=614

Thanks TJ.

[lorettalockhorn]

About where the dna comparison samples came from:

"Robbins, commenting Thursday on why it took so long to find a match for the DNA, said, “Because [the defense has ] had to do it. We don’t have the resources the state has. We can’t compel people to give us a DNA sample.... We had to track down people we felt were suspects in our mind.”

And from the prosecution side:

"When asked what actions on the part of the law enforcement deemed the file to be active or ongoing, Gibbons said, “Well, there are some samples being taken, and that is all I’m going to say at this time.”

So it sounds like both teams went out and collected specific comparison samples, each based on their own theories. Apparently the defense got a hit on one of their suspects. Whether that suspect was also included in the prosecution's sample hasn't been made public. (And yeah, it sounds like Hawg may have been right about the defense team's surreptitious collection of some samples.) Anyway, it doesn't sound like the match came from any official database or from any info sharing.

Sources for the quotes (along with other interesting info) can be found in articles posted here:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=614

I'm curious by what authority the defense can collect samples. Any ideas?

[SaraSidle]

I'm curious by what authority the defense can collect samples. Any ideas?

I do not know either Loretta unless it is a state to state thing, I know Perry Mason did it when he was on tv........IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I do not know either Loretta unless it is a state to state thing, I know Perry Mason did it when he was on tv........IMO

Did Perry ever have problems proving chain of evidence? Or had the justice system advanced that far in the '50s and '60s?

[TJEddie]

I'm curious by what authority the defense can collect samples. Any ideas?

Robbins acknowleges that the defense team had no authority to compel anyone to give a dna sample. He seems to imply that samples were collected surreptitiously, a practice that to my knowledge requires no legal authority. (Of course, just because a lawyer implies something doesn't make it so. There may be another angle to the dna story that hasn't been made public......who knows.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Robbins acknowleges that the defense team had no authority to compel anyone to give a dna sample. He seems to imply that samples were collected surreptitiously, a practice that to my knowledge requires no legal authority. (Of course, just because a lawyer implies something doesn't make it so. There may be another angle to the dna story that hasn't been made public......who knows.)

For sure, there must be plenty we don't know. But if any samples were collected surreptitiously, I don't see how they can be considered to be of legal import. The bottom line problem with Nona's cellphone (for example), was that chain of custody was broken. How/why does the defense who isn't being paid and therefore has no client, or contract, or client privilege (among other things) expect to be taken seriously?

There must be plenty we don't know.

[SaraSidle]

For sure, there must be plenty we don't know. But if any samples were collected surreptitiously, I don't see how they can be considered to be of legal import. The bottom line problem with Nona's cellphone (for example), was that chain of custody was broken. How/why does the defense who isn't being paid and therefore has no client, or contract, or client privilege (among other things) expect to be taken seriously?

There must be plenty we don't know.


I find that very interesting indeed. Waaay too many inconsistencies.

[TJEddie]

For sure, there must be plenty we don't know. But if any samples were collected surreptitiously, I don't see how they can be considered to be of legal import. The bottom line problem with Nona's cellphone (for example), was that chain of custody was broken. How/why does the defense who isn't being paid and therefore has no client, or contract, or client privilege (among other things) expect to be taken seriously?

There must be plenty we don't know.

Surreptitious collection of dna is a routine and growing practice in criminal cases. Although there have been legal challenges, they have by and large been shot down. To my Google based knowledge, the challenges have not been based upon chain of custody issues, but rather upon Fourth Amendment issues. Here's a link to a recent article on it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/science/03dna.html

As for the defense team being taken seriously, I think they already have been.

[TJEddie]

As for the chain of custody questions on the defense team's alleged dna evidence.....their findings could be easily replicated using the prosecution's own samples. In fact, I would expect that to be done if the findings were to be used in court.

[lorettalockhorn]

Surreptitious collection of dna is a routine and growing practice in criminal cases. Although there have been legal challenges, they have by and large been shot down. To my Google based knowledge, the challenges have not been based upon chain of custody issues, but rather upon Fourth Amendment issues. Here's a link to a recent article on it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/science/03dna.html

As for the defense team being taken seriously, I think they already have been.

Sorry, but the defense has made asses of themselves with their grandstanding, showboating and The Justice For Kevin campaign. They won an acquittal, why the need for behavior such as making comments to the press when the judge has ordered the record sealed as of the time of McQuary's appointment?

[Amy]

Sorry, but the defense has made an ass of themselves with their grandstanding, showboating and The Justice For Kevin campaign. They won an acquittal, why the need for behavior such as making comments to the press when the judge has ordered the record sealed as of the time of McQuary's appointment?

One would think the proper way of dealing w/this, if the unemployed defense team wishes to be involved in the case, would be for them to submit their evidence to the McQuary team, instead of grandstanding in the news. IMO

[upallnight]

Sorry, but the defense has made asses of themselves with their grandstanding, showboating and The Justice For Kevin campaign. They won an acquittal, why the need for behavior such as making comments to the press when the judge has ordered the record sealed as of the time of McQuary's appointment?

Amen to that!

[upallnight]

Amen to that!

Oh, by the way. Waldo family reunion sign was up at the Dover Park. I seem to remember that name. Oh, that was our town Mayor name before the new one was elected. Silly me!
;) :beer: :biggrin: :punch: :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Oh, by the way. Waldo family reunion sign was up at the Dover Park. I seem to remember that name. Oh, that was our town Mayor name before the new one was elected. Silly me!
;) :beer: :biggrin: :punch: :seeya:

Coincidentally, it was also the last name of that wackadoo (Kathy, was it?) that wrote that so-bad-it's-funny letter about the case to the editor of the Courier way back when.

:biggrin: :beer: :patriot: :eek: :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Drat The Courier. The link that you posted to the letter way back when, now takes us to today's editorial. And I can't find it searching their archives. No Waldo's Greatest Hits! (Unless someone with more patience will find it.)

:rolleyes: :shrug: ;) :confused: :biggrin:

[upallnight]

Coincidentally, it was also the last name of that wackadoo (Kathy, was it?) that wrote that so-bad-it's-funny letter about the case to the editor of the Courier way back when.

:biggrin: :beer: :patriot: :eek: :shrug:

I think you are right!

[FDInLaw]

Waldo's greatest hits. . .

From today's Courier:

Letters to the editor

Coverage disputed
After reading your latest stories on the Dirksmeyer case stating that Kevin Jones and attorneys' (sic) did not acknowledge request for interviews, I have only one question. Do you blame them? The amount of sensationalism and bias from The Courier alone was so incredible regarding Kevin Jones. Facts were misrepresented, twisted and omitted in The Courier stories about this case. Fact, the young man was accused of murder. Fact, he was proven not guilty by a jury of peers. The Courier's reporting on this matter was a lot of folks (sic) only means to information on this case. There was no innocent until proven guilty voiced in your stories. Newspaper articles, by nature, are not supposed to be biased. They are, however, supposed to report facts in a way that allows a reader to make up his or her own mind. It is my opinion that The Courier has not done that in this case. The way things have been reported about this case are and were so ridiculous and outrageous. The Courier never reported things in a responsible, ethical, fair light from the very beginning and still aren't, so why would you expect a young man trying to move on with his life, to comply now? Some of the statements printed in the last stories were so incredulous and irresponsible, I find it unbielievable (sic) that they were allowed to be printed. I know one reader doesn't make much of an impact for you, but I no longer believe in the reliability or trust in The Courier.
Thank you,
Katherine Waldo
Russellville

Hmmm This woman doesn't believe in the First Amendment? She thinks that some of the statements shouldn't have been allowed to be printed? She seems familiar to me. Is she the woman whose husband (who was supposedly chosen at random), testified in the motion for change of venue hearing? :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks FD, I knew the text had been posted somewhere, by someone. :beer:

[FDInLaw]

Thanks FD, I knew the text had been posted somewhere, by someone. :beer:LOL! :biggrin: Someone need to remind YOU! :)

[Amy]

Oh, by the way. Waldo family reunion sign was up at the Dover Park. I seem to remember that name. Oh, that was our town Mayor name before the new one was elected. Silly me!
;) :beer: :biggrin: :punch: :seeya:

Wasn' it the mayor's son who people were looking @ for the murder way back when? Bubba? Or, is this a different mayor?

I was thinking, if this is the parent or close relative to Bubba, she should be on her knees thanking the Courier for not carrying on with the premise of Bubba.

[FDInLaw]

Wasn' it the mayor's son who people were looking @ for the murder way back when? Bubba? Or, is this a different mayor?

I was thinking, if this is the parent or close relative to Bubba, she should be on her knees thanking the Courier for not carrying on with the premise of Bubba.
Bubba Turner's Mom was the Mayor of Russellville back when Nona was killed. This Waldo fella is/was Dover's mayor.

[Amy]

Bubba Turner's Mom was the Mayor of Russellville back when Nona was killed. This Waldo fella is/was Dover's mayor.

Aha!!! That's probably why I didn't recall the name Waldo. The postings were of Russellville, not Dover. Thanks.

[hawgustusgloop]

Wasn' it the mayor's son who people were looking @ for the murder way back when? Bubba? Or, is this a different mayor?

I was thinking, if this is the parent or close relative to Bubba, she should be on her knees thanking the Courier for not carrying on with the premise of Bubba.

It appears the lady who wrote the letter is more of a random lunatic than someone with a legitimate connection to the case IMO.

[FDInLaw]

It appears the lady who wrote the letter is more of a random lunatic than someone with a legitimate connection to the case IMO.
NO COMMENT! :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

[lorettalockhorn]

It appears the lady who wrote the letter is more of a random lunatic than someone with a legitimate connection to the case IMO.

Lawsy, I hope repeating her name isn't like saying Beetlejuice three times.

[jeremiads]

It appears the lady who wrote the letter is more of a random lunatic than someone with a legitimate connection to the case IMO.Something tells me that a letter like that most likely came from someone who had some sort of connection. Just a hunch.

[lorettalockhorn]

Something tells me that a letter like that most likely came from someone who had some sort of connection. Just a hunch.

Besides her husband having testified in the change of venue hearing?

[jeremiads]

Besides her husband having testified in the change of venue hearing?I was going to leave it up as an exercise for the reader, but that works too.

[upallnight]

It appears the lady who wrote the letter is more of a random lunatic than someone with a legitimate connection to the case IMO.
OUCH! (You Bad boy!) LOL-:chicken: :punch: :beer: :eek: ;)

[sololobo]

Besides her husband having testified in the change of venue hearing?

Did her husband testify in the change of venue hearing? All I recall here was someone thought a Waldo testified and someone questioned if they may be related. Did I miss something? Even so, how does that matter? She was merely voicing her opinion of our local paper.

[FDInLaw]

Did her husband testify in the change of venue hearing? All I recall here was someone thought a Waldo testified and someone questioned if they may be related. Did I miss something? Even so, how does that matter? She was merely voicing her opinion of our local paper. Good point. . . it doesn't matter at all. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. Kathy Waldo's husband James did testify for the defence that a change of venue was needed. I had this straight from the horse's mouth. James Waldo is also mentioned in a Courier article IIRC. Again, what does it matter? I rather she stick with voicing her opinions in the paper than other places. ;) (Bad FD! :punch: )

[lorettalockhorn]

Did her husband testify in the change of venue hearing? All I recall here was someone thought a Waldo testified and someone questioned if they may be related. Did I miss something? Even so, how does that matter? She was merely voicing her opinion of our local paper.

Gee lone wolf, I'm not the only one commenting on this. And have you not made comments in the past about people who were not actually on trial or a part of the testimony? Prolly, but I'm too lazy to look.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know what some defense types think of The Courier when it comes to what they reported about KJ. But the information that the defense gave them about JM and others was A-OK to print. And that is why is does matter (to me).

[TJEddie]

I'm not understanding the significance of being related to someone who was in favor of a change of venue. According to the following article, Duane Dipert spoke out in favor of it, and was also subpoenaed as a witness for the defense.

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/190316/

(BTW, I see the Court TV website also gets a little shout out as being influential in the forming of public opinion.....I had forgotten about that little 15 minutes of fame.)

[jeremiads]

I'm not understanding the significance of being related to someone who was in favor of a change of venue.When the defense attorneys are arguing for a change of venue and citing a specific forum on the Internet, and one of those witnesses called for the defense has/had a wife that heavily involved herself in said Internet forum...

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but it should have been an issue. Just like the alleged juror who knowingly had a niece that was close to Ryan Whiteside.

But hey, there were a lot of things about this trial that I've seen smarter people than I scratch their heads at.

[SaraSidle]

When the defense attorneys are arguing for a change of venue and citing a specific forum on the Internet, and one of those witnesses called for the defense has/had a wife that heavily involved herself in said Internet forum...

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but it should have been an issue. Just like the alleged juror who knowingly had a niece that was close to Ryan Whiteside.

But hey, there were a lot of things about this trial that I've seen smarter people than I scratch their heads at.

as in conflict of interest?

[lorettalockhorn]

When the defense attorneys are arguing for a change of venue and citing a specific forum on the Internet, and one of those witnesses called for the defense has/had a wife that heavily involved herself in said Internet forum...

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but it should have been an issue. Just like the alleged juror who knowingly had a niece that was close to Ryan Whiteside.

But hey, there were a lot of things about this trial that I've seen smarter people than I scratch their heads at.

Maybe Mrs. Waldo didn't ever discuss her illustrious career here with Mr. Waldo. Or if she did, maybe he had her on ignore.

Seriously, that very issue was brought up at the time that Mr. Waldo's name appeared in The Courier. There was another poster who was involved with the accused rape scenario or their families who posted here, but then stated that she thought that she might have been called as a juror. I guess she was planning on denying her awareness of the case. Or maybe not and that would have been A-OK with the attorneys.

[hawgustusgloop]

maybe he had her on ignore.



I hope someday to stop laughing at this, but I don't know if it's gonna happen.

I suspect Mrs. Waldo is probably a puppet for the defense....one that can't write very well on her own. Either that or she has a major crush on Kevin. Or she for some reason hates Duane Dipert with the fire of 1000 suns. Or any combination of the three.

[sololobo]

When the defense attorneys are arguing for a change of venue and citing a specific forum on the Internet, and one of those witnesses called for the defense has/had a wife that heavily involved herself in said Internet forum...

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but it should have been an issue. Just like the alleged juror who knowingly had a niece that was close to Ryan Whiteside.

But hey, there were a lot of things about this trial that I've seen smarter people than I scratch their heads at.

More new info:) What was the wife's user name here?

One of the jurors, allegedly according to a MySpace posting, knew someone who knew someone who knew Kevin. I believe the common question asked here in jury selection is "do you know the defendent and, if so, would that affect your decision". I was more concerned the jury would know the PA, Gibbons. He was raised in Ozark and his father was a respected physician there.

[sololobo]

I hope someday to stop laughing at this, but I don't know if it's gonna happen.

I suspect Mrs. Waldo is probably a puppet for the defense....one that can't write very well on her own. Either that or she has a major crush on Kevin. Or she for some reason hates Duane Dipert with the fire of 1000 suns. Or any combination of the three.

I didn't detect any hatred for Duane in the letter. I must be missing a lot not being in the PM loop:)

[sololobo]

Gee lone wolf, I'm not the only one commenting on this. And have you not made comments in the past about people who were not actually on trial or a part of the testimony? Prolly, but I'm too lazy to look.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know what some defense types think of The Courier when it comes to what they reported about KJ. But the information that the defense gave them about JM and others was A-OK to print. And that is why is does matter (to me).

And we know what some prosecution types think of Dateline. The Courier was somewhat biased but I believe it was because the prosecution made more statements about the case than the defense. The Courier reported the only info they received. Dateline made Duane the major suspect. When Carol said he called her eight times that day which was not common, I immediately believed he had been Christmas shopping. Been there, done that:) The veiwing public seemed to think he was creating an alibi. I guess only us old codgers understand how difficult Christmas shopping is by yourself. Dateline was purposely deceitful.

[FDInLaw]

More new info:) What was the wife's user name here?

One of the jurors, allegedly according to a MySpace posting, knew someone who knew someone who knew Kevin. I believe the common question asked here in jury selection is "do you know the defendent and, if so, would that affect your decision". I was more concerned the jury would know the PA, Gibbons. He was raised in Ozark and his father was a respected physician there.Check your PMs. ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

And we know what some prosecution types think of Dateline. The Courier was somewhat biased but I believe it was because the prosecution made more statements about the case than the defense. The Courier reported the only info they received. Dateline made Duane the major suspect. When Carol said he called her eight times that day which was not common, I immediately believed he had been Christmas shopping. Been there, done that:) The veiwing public seemed to think he was creating an alibi. I guess only us old codgers understand how difficult Christmas shopping is by yourself. Dateline was purposely deceitful.

I can't really fault The Courier for printing any information that they can; they are a for profit business. I do wonder why the defense would go so far as to name JM in such a way as to cast suspicion on him and why The Courier actually printed that information. At least The State stuck to the facts of the case as they knew them to exist.

At this point, even if another killer is named, tried, found guilty and imprisoned, I will never hold the defense in high regard because of their tactics. I hope the judge has the bollocks to hold Robbins in contempt. And if ever there was a defendant who begged to be misunderstood and vilified, it's Kevin Jones. The way that he dishonors his family after they have gone to such ends to support him, possibly even lying under oath in the case of his grandmother, and the way that he behaved on the most recent anniversary of Nona's death is odious. But that is just my opinion.

In the past I've accused Dateline of being unfamiliar with the facts of the case, but on thinking about how the matter editing the question about DD's phone calls while shopping, I can't help but wonder if it was purposeful.

[hawgustusgloop]

Dateline was purposely deceitful.

If this is true, and I kind of think it is......what a crappy show. It does seem like they threw a few things in there that were otherwise irrelevant to make him look suspicious (most notably Carol saying he called several times that day).

Is this the M.O. at the crime show factory? Do these shows intend to win idiot viewers by making them feel intelligent? Make them think they really just solved the Big Murder Mystery where law enforcement failed? Dateline did seem to have a similar story arc to 48 Hours....is this just what these shows are all about?

I'm thankful these shows have opened my eyes, but I find it very sad that it was at the expense of a grieving family member.

[lorettalockhorn]

Beginning to think that there is a very fine line between true crime writing that is to be respected and pulp non-fiction. Very few are able to get beyond the cheap tawdry sensational half truths and present both sides of a given case.

[Amy]

If this is true, and I kind of think it is......what a crappy show. It does seem like they threw a few things in there that were otherwise irrelevant to make him look suspicious (most notably Carol saying he called several times that day).

Is this the M.O. at the crime show factory? Do these shows intend to win idiot viewers by making them feel intelligent? Make them think they really just solved the Big Murder Mystery where law enforcement failed? Dateline did seem to have a similar story arc to 48 Hours....is this just what these shows are all about?

I'm thankful these shows have opened my eyes, but I find it very sad that it was at the expense of a grieving family member.


I used to view those shows as the end factual report on whatever case they were showing. Then, I watched a documentary on the Laci Peterson case--even before SP had been arrested. They aired information that had been shown to be false, I am sure the infor was considered the correct @ the time they were taping. Which is why I'm not interested in watching or reading the be all end all movie or book that is written before the trial. And, in subsequent showings, there is never a correction about the misinformation.

Then, the Dateline show on Nona--appalling. I haven't watched that one since. If this show is full of misinformation and inuendoes (hey, if ya got some factual, pertinent information, put it right out there, don't just "suggest" that this might be true,) that I wonder how much is wrong on cases I DON'T know anything about?

I still watch some of the forensic files, FBI files, Cold Cases--because these are after the fact, w/the perp arrested, charged, convicted and sentenced.

[SaraSidle]

Amy in cases like this when I watch a dateline or 48 hours I am always figuring they are showing their suspcions as we do on threads. It seems like LE keeps so much info from us (for the case) that is all we have to go on mainly but that is just me. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't know if you saw the 48 Hours and/or the Dateline segment about Nona's murder, but they were long after the trial. Both networks had the opportunity to learn the facts and present an unbiased case to the public. For some reason they didn't. I've never really been a fan of either program, but would watch if it was a case that I was interested in. Not any more. Probably get just as fair a view from National Enquirer.

[SaraSidle]

Don't know if you saw the 48 Hours and/or the Dateline segment about Nona's murder, but they were long after the trial. Both networks had the opportunity to learn the facts and present an unbiased case to the public. For some reason they didn't. I've never really been a fan of either program, but would watch if it was a case that I was interested in. Not any more. Probably get just as fair a view from National Enquirer.

Well that is what I was thinking. I heard the 48 hours Nona was not good. I saw the Dateline and it really left me nowhere. It was different from reading threads but that was about it. I just hope one of these days we might learn something. Hope being the key word. IMO

[sololobo]

There is not enough evidence to pinpoint one suspect. Everyone is a suspect:) Playing the odds, the simplest explanation for any event is usually the correct one. What is the simplest scenerio for the murderer being able to get away with this so far? No one saw him or heard him. If the killer was parked out front, he would have to worry about his vehicle being seen. I don't see someone parked out front staging a crime scene when a mere glance from another tenant places him at the scene. This would have to be a major concern for the murderer.

The simplest scenerio is the killer lived in the complex near Nona's apartment. He knew the basic schedules of the other tenants and was somewhat confident no one would hear the noise and would not see him exit the rear of the apartment and enter his own. He would only have to be concerned about the traffic on Inglewood and 12th. The blood on the sliding door blinds indicate he checked to see if the coast was clear.

Also, the killer must have some blood on his clothes and body. I don't see Kevin running around Dover in the same clothes he just committed murder in.

Was the knife used from the apartment or did the killer bring it? If not premeditated and the killer brought, it was probably a pocket or utility knife. The four stab wounds were very shallow. Does this indicate the killer was timid about stabbing her? He struck her very hard and I don't think he was timid at all. Does it imply he was torturing her? Possibly. Did the knife have a short blade which could only inflict shallow wounds such as a utility knife (box cutters)? Were the wounds consistent with a utility knife? Who carries a utility knife? Stockers, warehousemen, shipping employees, construction workers, etc. Where did the nearby tenants work?

I have too many questions to suspect one particular person. Hopefully, the new investigation will uncover more clues.

Pursuing this simple scenerio, the killer would have in his apartment a stick, a cell phone battery, bloody clothes and possibly a knife. He has two problems...he must dispose of the above items and he needs an alibi. Did he leave the complex to dispose of the items and to create an alibi? Perhaps he had a granny who was not a Christian lady and had a handy burn barrel:)

[lorettalockhorn]

More new info:) What was the wife's user name here?

One of the jurors, allegedly according to a MySpace posting, knew someone who knew someone who knew Kevin. I believe the common question asked here in jury selection is "do you know the defendent and, if so, would that affect your decision". I was more concerned the jury would know the PA, Gibbons. He was raised in Ozark and his father was a respected physician there.

I've never been on a jury, so I have no clue. But when the potential jurors are being selected, do they really only ask about the defendant, judge, attorneys and the like? They don't ask about the witnesses? This case was under a gag order, in theory someone's mother could have been a witness and a juror wouldn't have known until she took the stand. Wouldn't that be cause for a mistrial or appeal?

Anyone?

[SaraSidle]

No idea L

[upallnight]

I've never been on a jury, so I have no clue. But when the potential jurors are being selected, do they really only ask about the defendant, judge, attorneys and the like? They don't ask about the witnesses? This case was under a gag order, in theory someone's mother could have been a witness and a juror wouldn't have known until she took the stand. Wouldn't that be cause for a mistrial or appeal?

Anyone?
I have been on jury duty. Sutterfield was the judge in each case I had to sit on. Everyone in the pool showed up, we all went inside the court room. The judge asked anyone who knew the defendant/pro side to speak out and tell him in what nature you knew them. Once there was a relative (distance), once someone knew the defendant through a friend circle. One time Aaron Duvall was the investigator for Pope County and of course, he Judge released him right then and there. I stood once thinking it may be a conflict due to my work with Pope County departments. That did not stand, I was not dismissed. Once the judge gets that out of the way the judge draws names for the jury from a box on his desk. When your name is called you go to take your place in the jury box. Then the Pro/Def teams both ask the entire jury a series of questions that all seated have to respond to. I have seen some dismissed at this point, and others stay. The Pro/Def say yes or no if each person is ok to sit per their opinion or not. Alternates are pulled in to replace anyone who is dismissed from duty. Then once they have enough to sit and alternates, the trial starts. We break for lunch, the court has a van that took us to a w-sizzlin as a guard watched over us. Back to court until the trial is over, be it that day or more. We are instructed not to talk about the trial with eachother outside the deliberation room. The ones I had to sit on never lasted over one day. These was not murder trials though, it may be different. These was all drug related trials. I guess a strong point is that we was all questioned about media and what we may have seen/read etc. Could we disreguard anything like that to come to a verdict based on the evidence shown in the trial only. If someone did not think they could do that, they was dismissed from what I saw by the defense and/or Pro team. I guess dismissed by the judge really, the Pro/Def just said yes or no he or she is ok or not. Then the judge dismisses that person if a no is said. Never heard the teams argue over a yes or no. One woman stated she thought marijuana should be legalized. She was dismissed. Due to health reasons now I can no longer sit per Doctors orders so I don't know, it may be different. It has been about 4 years since I sat, once called 2 years ago-Dr. said no and I had to write the judge as to why I could not sit and gave Dr.'s name etc. I have not been called to jury duty since. I do know the pro/def asks questions that the judge did not ask the whole pool or people. So really, if a knows b through c etc., that person should speak up when asked. Friend of friends, relatives,work, church - whatever. Then it is up to the judge or Pro/Def teams to say that person is ok or not to sit. Really, that gives the people 2 chances to speak up. I have heard the judge ask someone (don't remember the exact words) but, can you sit on this jury and come to a unbiased decision based on the evidence and not what you have seen, heard, read, etc., again a friend of a friend of a friend type thing or relative (very distant relative), etc. I can see that it would be possible for someone to sit that knew KJ in a distance type way. It would be up to that person to be truthful on the nature of the relationship with KJ and his circle of family, friends. But, then again it takes both the Pro/Def to say yes or no. Seems like it could be easy to say, yes I can base my vote on the evidence given in trial and not do that. Then again, maybe this person did not speak up and give the Judge, Pro., Def. teams a reason to have him dismissed. Seems like that should be a problem if he did not speak up. I would wonder why for sure. I always spoke up, not that it would sway my vote but I wanted them to know in what nature I knew anyone with either side. I felt that was my duty to do so because of the questions we were asked before the jury was selected for the trial. I don't know, if anyone lied-that would seem to me to be reason for the judge to take action against that person. Not sure about mistrial etc., would love to know though. Maybe FD knows. :seeya:

[iluvmua]

Does Anybody know what Kevin Jones (and family) are doing these days? are they also trying to find out who killed Nona?

Last I heard Kevin was a student at some Fort Smith College.

[SaraSidle]

Does Anybody know what Kevin Jones (and family) are doing these days? are they also trying to find out who killed Nona?

Last I heard Kevin was a student at some Fort Smith College.

I have heard nothing iluvmua and I think LE should point us in some direction soon!!!! IMO

[Amy]

That's pretty much the way it works here. I didn't sit on a murder trial, but have been called a number of times for jury duty (the ones I sat on were minor criminal trials.)

Here, you better show up for jury duty, whether you know anyone involved or not--even if you are a brother or mother to a party involved. (If you had a vacation planned, you can call the court, and they do excuse you before hand.)

Several times, there were people who knew they would be dismissed--they had a working relationship w/one of the parties, or were related, etc. The judge does a roll call, and if you don't answer, a deputy is dispatched to round you up--if you don't come in, or can't be found, a warrant for arrest is issued!! For the ones who came in @ the behest of the deputy, they would tell the judge the relationship and then would be dismissed--but you'd better be THERE for him to dismiss you!!!!

Maybe some day I will go observe the selection for a murder trial. Thank goodness, they aren't an everyday occurance here.

[upallnight]

That's pretty much the way it works here. I didn't sit on a murder trial, but have been called a number of times for jury duty (the ones I sat on were minor criminal trials.)

Here, you better show up for jury duty, whether you know anyone involved or not--even if you are a brother or mother to a party involved. (If you had a vacation planned, you can call the court, and they do excuse you before hand.)

Several times, there were people who knew they would be dismissed--they had a working relationship w/one of the parties, or were related, etc. The judge does a roll call, and if you don't answer, a deputy is dispatched to round you up--if you don't come in, or can't be found, a warrant for arrest is issued!! For the ones who came in @ the behest of the deputy, they would tell the judge the relationship and then would be dismissed--but you'd better be THERE for him to dismiss you!!!!

Maybe some day I will go observe the selection for a murder trial. Thank goodness, they aren't an everyday occurance here.

Yep, same here, very important work related trip was planned well in advance of a friend of mine who was called up for jury duty. He was not dismissed. You are right, you better be there or go through the correct channels not to be. If you don't, thats not a good thing. Federal jury duty is pretty much the same. Funny, each time I had to show up, I had to sit on the jury. If a drawing was being held to win the lottery, my name would never be picked. :shrug:
One trial a unanimous guilty vote was reached. There was another one that had to be tried over. The judge asked the jury in front of everyone in the court room if we thought, given time-if a unanimous decision could be reached. I said no, I was not going to budge. It was not fun, it was not easy, but it had to be done.
But ya know, in my opinion, there was no doubt in my mind this person was guilty. I could not have changed my vote due to the evidence I saw. Maybe I was wrong, but I don't think so. Anyway, this person was found guilty later.
But ya know, I knew Nona and know KJ and his family. If I was called to duty for that case I would have spoke up. Not saying they would have dismissed me. I am the type that could look at the evidence and go by that and only that. Then again, if I was not that type-I could say I could but have another agenda in mind. Do you know what I mean? Then it is up to the Pro/Def to say yes or no. If they kept me-Lord, damage could be done. How could they prove I had already formed an opinion? I could say I had not. Could keep it to myself. I guess looking at it I can see some problems that could be there with some people. It is kind of scary thinking about it. Ewww! A flaw in the system maybe? Guess thats why they changed locations but Ozark is just not that far away! I guess knowing both Nona and Kevin it was hard both ways. I sure would not want to see an innocent person put away, but I sure want whoever did kill her to get the max possible, be it KJ or anyone else ya know? It just does not matter the name of the person that killed her to me but the fact he/she killed her. That person is a monster!

[lorettalockhorn]

Iluvmua, I haven't heard anything about any of the Joneses other than that Kevin is supposedly in school in Ft. Smith.

Thanks upall and Amy for the info, that sounds pretty standard, including the fact that the court takes jury duty seriously. (Don't know if they actually send out a deputy right that moment if someone doesn't show up; I've never heard that. But it does sound like contempt of court (or for court) or something). I do recall that about 20-25 years ago, My Sainted Mother was on a jury, and they were asked during the selection process if they had connections to some of the witnesses. Maybe it had something to do with the particular case.

[JustCallMeNora]

Did her husband testify in the change of venue hearing? All I recall here was someone thought a Waldo testified and someone questioned if they may be related. Did I miss something? Even so, how does that matter? She was merely voicing her opinion of our local paper.

Oh, it doesn't really matter, sololobo. Just the usual pettiness going on here....

[FDInLaw]

Oh, it doesn't really matter, sololobo. Just the usual pettiness going on here...."Pettiness?" Apparently most folks have not gotten over the tactics you used in the past under other nics. Personally, I'm surprised that you haven't ditched this one yet. My guess is that you have also posted as "Wonder Woman." In time we will see. . . you always give yourself away eventually. :rolleyes:

My dear, despite what you think, the end does not justify the means. . . if you want people to respect your opinion, behave respectfully. . . deceit and malice is no way to go about this. JMO :seeya:

[JustCallMeNora]

"Pettiness?" Apparently most folks have not gotten over the tactics you used in the past under other nics. Personally, I'm surprised that you haven't ditched this one yet. My guess is that you have also posted as "Wonder Woman." In time we will see. . . you always give yourself away eventually. :rolleyes:

My dear, despite what you think, the end does not justify the means. . . if you want people to respect your opinion, behave respectfully. . . deceit and malice is no way to go about this. JMO :seeya:

You really think you know everything, don't you? LOL,,, You really don't know HOW mistaken you are. That's what makes your behavior and insinuations sooo incredibly funny!! Have a naice day! :smile:

[JustCallMeNora]

When the defense attorneys are arguing for a change of venue and citing a specific forum on the Internet, and one of those witnesses called for the defense has/had a wife that heavily involved herself in said Internet forum...

I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but it should have been an issue. Just like the alleged juror who knowingly had a niece that was close to Ryan Whiteside.

But hey, there were a lot of things about this trial that I've seen smarter people than I scratch their heads at.

Oh, really? Why should it have been an issue?

[hawgustusgloop]

You really think you know everything, don't you? LOL,,, You really don't know HOW mistaken you are. That's what makes your behavior and insinuations sooo incredibly funny!! Have a naice day! :smile:

FDInLaw is right. No one respects this repeated deceit, and we always figure out it is you. Even the ones you never realized we all discovered. So, what is the point? It just makes you look crazier.


I actually have a serious question that is possibly semi-relevant: Why did Kevin want to go to UA Fayetteville? Anyone know? He was already going to Tech. He presumably had a free place to live. Maybe he even had a scholarship? His girlfriend that he thought he would surely marry someday was there. So, why work two jobs to save/pay a lot more money to go to UA? Was he studying something he couldn't study at Tech? Why not wait two years and transfer like people in community colleges often do? It's not unheard of, but it seems like a strange move. Why didn't he just go there in the first place? What was pulling him there, or what was he wanting to escape? A lot of people might move or switch schools to BE WITH a significant other, or they might just happen to choose different colleges immediately after high school, but it seems kind of weird the way he did it.

[JustCallMeNora]

My dear, despite what you think, the end does not justify the means. . . if you want people to respect your opinion, behave respectfully. . . deceit and malice is no way to go about this. JMO :seeya:

Oh, and you would do really well to follow your own advice!LOLOLOLOLOLOL












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[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, it doesn't really matter, sololobo. Just the usual pettiness going on here....

YAWN

Hawg, I'm not sure about Kevin's major; some sort of engineering, but clueless if it is something that isn't available at Tech. (Don't even remember the prof's name that testified about the emails to look it up.) But yeah, it is odd to add so much additional expense to the cost of education and put so much distance between himself and his loved ones. Maybe his buddy Jeff was more fun to party with than the old gang.

[JustCallMeNora]

FDInLaw is right. No one respects this repeated deceit, and we always figure out it is you. Even the ones you never realized we all discovered. So, what is the point? It just makes you look crazier.


I actually have a serious question that is possibly semi-relevant: Why did Kevin want to go to UA Fayetteville? Anyone know? He was already going to Tech. He presumably had a free place to live. Maybe he even had a scholarship? His girlfriend that he thought he would surely marry someday was there. So, why work two jobs to save/pay a lot more money to go to UA? Was he studying something he couldn't study at Tech? Why not wait two years and transfer like people in community colleges often do? It's not unheard of, but it seems like a strange move. Why didn't he just go there in the first place? What was pulling him there, or what was he wanting to escape? A lot of people might move or switch schools to BE WITH a significant other, or they might just happen to choose different colleges immediately after high school, but it seems kind of weird the way he did it.

Ahhh..... Thanks for the concern but really, crazier is what you all look. You are desperately confused.....

[FDInLaw]

KG has been called out and exposed. It's her grand style to promote drama and bring attention to herself. I for one am not going to waste time dialoging with a known nut case. To iggy she goes!

Regarding Kevin attending the U of A and now Fort Smith. . . really, I don't see his choices as abnormal at all. Most young gents with wild oats to sow want to put a little distance between them and their folks. My poor mom, I choose a college that was 2,000 miles away! :biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

KG has been called out and exposed. It's her grand style to promote drama and bring attention to herself. I for one am not going to waste time dialoging with a known nut case. To iggy she goes!

Regarding Kevin attending the U of A and now Fort Smith. . . really, I don't see his choices as abnormal at all. Most young gents with wild oats to sow want to put a little distance between them and their folks. My poor mom, I choose a college that was 2,000 miles away! :biggrin:

FDInLaw..........your poor mother. I was only 45 minutes away.

jcmn where in the heck did you come from? I see you have only posted at CL 82 times yet you talk to senior members in such a vile way?
When someone accuses everyone else of being crazy that person needs to start looking inside themselves. IMO

[JustCallMeNora]

When someone accuses everyone else of being crazy that person needs to start looking inside themselves. IMO

Yeah! Hawgustusgloop!!! That's right!!!

[hawgustusgloop]

Yeah! Hawgustusgloop!!! That's right!!!

I believe SaraSidle was referring to instances in which someone accuses EVERYONE of being crazy, not just one random lunatic.

[JustCallMeNora]

FDInLaw..........your poor mother. I was only 45 minutes away.

jcmn where in the heck did you come from? I see you have only posted at CL 82 times yet you talk to senior members in such a vile way?
When someone accuses everyone else of being crazy that person needs to start looking inside themselves. IMO

BTW, what is so special about "senior members" anyway? They are random people with opinions just like everyone else on here, just not any better than any one else.

[JustCallMeNora]

I believe SaraSidle was referring to instances in which someone accuses EVERYONE of being crazy, not just one random lunatic.

Sorry... Not how I took it.

[hawgustusgloop]

Sorry... Not how I took it.

I am sorry as well. I apologize to the other posters for feeding this troll once again. I have such a painfully hard time resisting the urge to make her look like a fool, especially on those occasions when she makes it so easy. For the first time ever, I will utilize this site's Ignore feature.

[JustCallMeNora]

I am sorry as well. I apologize to the other posters for feeding this troll once again. I have such a painfully hard time resisting the urge to make her look like a fool, especially on those occasions when she makes it so easy. For the first time ever, I will utilize this site's Ignore feature.

Ahem... Please clarify.....Who looks like a fool?

[FDInLaw]

I am sorry as well. I apologize to the other posters for feeding this troll once again. I have such a painfully hard time resisting the urge to make her look like a fool, especially on those occasions when she makes it so easy. For the first time ever, I will utilize this site's Ignore feature.Ignorance is bliss! :beer:

[SaraSidle]

Ignorance is bliss! :beer:

ITA FDInLaw.........

Hawgustasgloop thank you for doing such a great job explaining my post. I am sorry it was for no reason. I just feel bad for new posters getting involved in Nona.........IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I am sorry as well. I apologize to the other posters for feeding this troll once again. I have such a painfully hard time resisting the urge to make her look like a fool, especially on those occasions when she makes it so easy. For the first time ever, I will utilize this site's Ignore feature.

Since she does such a bangup job of making a fool of herself, we should give her a break.

[SaraSidle]

Since she does such a bangup job of making a fool of herself, we should give her a break.

You know loretta I can ignore it but I feel bad for the new posters. IMO

[sololobo]

FDInLaw is right. No one respects this repeated deceit, and we always figure out it is you. Even the ones you never realized we all discovered. So, what is the point? It just makes you look crazier.


I actually have a serious question that is possibly semi-relevant: Why did Kevin want to go to UA Fayetteville? Anyone know? He was already going to Tech. He presumably had a free place to live. Maybe he even had a scholarship? His girlfriend that he thought he would surely marry someday was there. So, why work two jobs to save/pay a lot more money to go to UA? Was he studying something he couldn't study at Tech? Why not wait two years and transfer like people in community colleges often do? It's not unheard of, but it seems like a strange move. Why didn't he just go there in the first place? What was pulling him there, or what was he wanting to escape? A lot of people might move or switch schools to BE WITH a significant other, or they might just happen to choose different colleges immediately after high school, but it seems kind of weird the way he did it.

UA is a more prestigious school than Tech. Fayetteville has more youth oriented activities than Russellville. Russellville really has none and there is little here to keep our promising young people from leaving. Young people are the promise of the future...the potential insuring a successful and growing community. If we keep losing our youth to communities that understand the future value of the younger generation, we are doomed to wither and die as a town.

Also, UA is home to the Razorbacks. Who wouldn't want to go there:)

[FDInLaw]

UA is a more prestigious school than Tech. Fayetteville has more youth oriented activities than Russellville. Russellville really has none and there is little here to keep our promising young people from leaving. Young people are the promise of the future...the potential insuring a successful and growing community. If we keep losing our youth to communities that understand the future value of the younger generation, we are doomed to wither and die as a town.

Also, UA is home to the Razorbacks. Who wouldn't want to go there:)
Excellent point! :beer:


(Now I have the hawg call going through my head lol! :hat: )

[hawgustusgloop]

UA is a more prestigious school than Tech. Fayetteville has more youth oriented activities than Russellville. Russellville really has none and there is little here to keep our promising young people from leaving. Young people are the promise of the future...the potential insuring a successful and growing community. If we keep losing our youth to communities that understand the future value of the younger generation, we are doomed to wither and die as a town.

Also, UA is home to the Razorbacks. Who wouldn't want to go there:)

I completely agree with all of this. It just sounds more like the explanation someone might give his Grammy for wanting to change schools, not the actual reason.

According to 48 Hours, Nona was pretty unhappy about Kevin leaving....I just don't see Nona asking him why he wanted to go to UA and him responding, "UA is a more prestigious school than Tech. Fayetteville has more youth oriented activities than Russellville. Russellville really has none and there is little here to keep our promising young people from leaving. Young people are the promise of the future...the potential insuring a successful and growing community. If we keep losing our youth to communities that understand the future value of the younger generation, we are doomed to wither and die as a town. Also, UA is home to the Razorbacks. Who wouldn't want to go there?"

[sololobo]

I completely agree with all of this. It just sounds more like the explanation someone might give his Grammy for wanting to change schools, not the actual reason.

According to 48 Hours, Nona was pretty unhappy about Kevin leaving....I just don't see Nona asking him why he wanted to go to UA and him responding, "UA is a more prestigious school than Tech. Fayetteville has more youth oriented activities than Russellville. Russellville really has none and there is little here to keep our promising young people from leaving. Young people are the promise of the future...the potential insuring a successful and growing community. If we keep losing our youth to communities that understand the future value of the younger generation, we are doomed to wither and die as a town. Also, UA is home to the Razorbacks. Who wouldn't want to go there?"

I read the transcript of 48 Hours and did not see anything about Nona being unhappy about Kevin going to UA. The question was why would Kevin want to go to UA. I'm sure he told Nona he had the oppurtunity to attend UA and she understood.

[JustCallMeNora]

I read the transcript of 48 Hours and did not see anything about Nona being unhappy about Kevin going to UA. The question was why would Kevin want to go to UA. I'm sure he told Nona he had the oppurtunity to attend UA and she understood.

Maybe Tech didn't offer what he wanted to major in, or maybe UofA was better known for whatever field he wanted to major in.

[FDInLaw]

I read the transcript of 48 Hours and did not see anything about Nona being unhappy about Kevin going to UA. The question was why would Kevin want to go to UA. I'm sure he told Nona he had the oppurtunity to attend UA and she understood. Maybe this was stated on the Dateline show??? :shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

I read the transcript of 48 Hours and did not see anything about Nona being unhappy about Kevin going to UA. The question was why would Kevin want to go to UA. I'm sure he told Nona he had the oppurtunity to attend UA and she understood.

Hmmm...someone must have spiked the water cooler at the transcript factory that day, because I just watched the first couple of minutes of the 48 Hours broadcast, and here is what I heard:

Carol Dipert: She was very upset about him going to Fayetteville in the fall. I think she felt like she was being abandoned.

Kevin Jones: I mean, college is only an hour and a half away. It's not that far.

[lorettalockhorn]

Rodney Williams, a civil engineering professor and Jones’ academic adviser at
the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville, said he communicated with Jones by e-mail at 1:35 and 4:51 p.m. Dec. 15. He also produced a document that showed Jones logged in to the UA’s computerized class registration system twice that afternoon: at 1:04 p.m. and 4:47 p.m.

BTY, does anyone know what computer he was using at 1:04 & 1:35?

Bump bumpity bump bump

(From the timeline thread, where I just thought I'd had a stroke. :eek: )

[lorettalockhorn]

According to the 2007-2008 ATU undergraduate catalog, Tech offers BS degrees in electrical and mechanical engineering. Don't see so much as a single course in civil engineering, if that was KJ's major.

[lorettalockhorn]

Kevin's advisor isn't a regular faculty member, but this is his area:

Rodney D. Williams, Visiting Assistant Professor; Ph.D., Arkansas; PE. Environmental engineering, water quality, nonpoint source pollution.

http://www.gradprofiles.com/u-arkansas-civil-eng.html

[upallnight]

Ahhh..... Thanks for the concern but really, crazier is what you all look. You are desperately confused.....
You All? Hey Nora, speak for yourself-What reason do you have to come on this thread and try to attack people? You all, just who all are you speaking of? Even without the Waldo name, we are hear to talk about what happened to Nona, talk about the evidence, try to sort it all out. We are not desperately confused. If there is evidence against someone else then so be it. We will probably all be back on here talking about that and the person named if such is done. If you mean all of us on this thread, crazy is completely wrong. Concerned, frustrated, worried, heartbroken, etc., is what we are. We are human, we have no crystal ball. A young girl was murdered. The question is, who is responsible for her death? The answer is out there somewhere. That is what this is all about. Like FD said, one person could make a difference. The truth. We don't have to like or dislike it, just the truth. That kind of sums it up. If you have some facts, just post them, don't play games. The previous posts you have put on here is not backed up with facts. We ask alot of questions because the fact is, we do not know. You post as if you know it all. There is a big difference in the two.

[sololobo]

Hmmm...someone must have spiked the water cooler at the transcript factory that day, because I just watched the first couple of minutes of the 48 Hours broadcast, and here is what I heard:

Carol Dipert: She was very upset about him going to Fayetteville in the fall. I think she felt like she was being abandoned.

Kevin Jones: I mean, college is only an hour and a half away. It's not that far.

Hmmm....not only does 48 Hours edit their interviews, they also edit their transcripts.....doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their shows:)

[sololobo]

Pursuing this simple scenerio, the killer would have in his apartment a stick, a cell phone battery, bloody clothes and possibly a knife. He has two problems...he must dispose of the above items and he needs an alibi. Did he leave the complex to dispose of the items and to create an alibi? Perhaps he had a granny who was not a Christian lady and had a handy burn barrel:)

Our imaginary killer would be frantic with fear in his apartment. He may not be concerned he just murdered someone, but that he will get caught. He had to worry about the worst case scenerio....the police would search all the apartments and the surrounding area. He had to dispose of the evidence and he needed an alibi. Were the tenants questioned about the comings and goings of all traffic at the complex during and immediately after the murder time frame? Where did the tenants work or were they students and what were their schedules?

I Googled Earth for Russellville and the surrounding area trying to locate a place the evidence would never be discovered. The lake is near but a fisherman might snag something and pull it in. Behind the school on 12th was semi-secluded but kids probably roam all through there. Burning the evidence in Russellville would be taking a chance the Fire Department would come and give him a ticket. Throwing it in another complex's dumpster might be noticed. Where could he discretely dispose of the evidence and be confident it would not be discovered? Could his alibi involve such an area?

[FDInLaw]

Hmmm....not only does 48 Hours edit their interviews, they also edit their transcripts.....doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their shows:)Yesterday I read over the transcripts and didn't find this. Ugh! I totally remember Carol's statement though. WEIRD! :shrug:

Maybe I'll look again once my coffee has kicked in. . .

[hawgustusgloop]

Our imaginary killer would be frantic with fear in his apartment. He may not be concerned he just murdered someone, but that he will get caught. He had to worry about the worst case scenerio....the police would search all the apartments and the surrounding area. He had to dispose of the evidence and he needed an alibi. Were the tenants questioned about the comings and goings of all traffic at the complex during and immediately after the murder time frame? Where did the tenants work or were they students and what were their schedules?

I Googled Earth for Russellville and the surrounding area trying to locate a place the evidence would never be discovered. The lake is near but a fisherman might snag something and pull it in. Behind the school on 12th was semi-secluded but kids probably roam all through there. Burning the evidence in Russellville would be taking a chance the Fire Department would come and give him a ticket. Throwing it in another complex's dumpster might be noticed. Where could he discretely dispose of the evidence and be confident it would not be discovered? Could his alibi involve such an area?

I was under the impression that there weren't a lot of people living in that apartment complex...can anyone say for sure? I wonder just how many people would fit this scenario? Three? Only one? The murder occurred in the middle of the day, when a lot of people would have been working or taking finals. Assuming a man committed the crime, and assuming there weren't a whole lot of tenants, it doesn't seem like too many people would fit the bill. If one of those few possible suspects had an alibi of "I decided to have a picnic alone at the Dam Park" or something, then I would say that was highly suspicious.

However, I would imagine that if someone who had the opportunity to kill Nona and placed himself in a location that was obviously a great place to dispose of evidence, the defense would have been all over him at Kevin's trial.

ETA: The only neighbors I know about are Bobby Chandler, the student who said he saw her car when he was leaving for his morning final exam, and Gene Evans, the guy who asked about one of Nona's cats. Are there any others?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmm...someone must have spiked the water cooler at the transcript factory that day, because I just watched the first couple of minutes of the 48 Hours broadcast, and here is what I heard:

Carol Dipert: She was very upset about him going to Fayetteville in the fall. I think she felt like she was being abandoned.

Kevin Jones: I mean, college is only an hour and a half away. It's not that far.

Just watched it. That is word for word what was said.

[iluvmua]

from what I saw in the Dateline episode, The room with all of the papers and everything on the floor made it sound like maybe whoever did this wanted it to look like a robbery maybe?

[lorettalockhorn]

I've always wondered how much of that came from the Jones crew bumbling around in the dark looking for Nona's address.

[CSOKC]

I've always wondered how much of that came from the Jones crew bumbling around in the dark looking for Nona's address.
Me too. And also, I remember reading that someone said she was a messy person. Could that have been how her apartment always looked?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey stranger!

I've read that Nona was messy (NOT that there's anything wrong with that) and from the 911 call we know that JJ, KJ and RW were looking for an address, and I suppose that the killer could have been looking for something or staging. It may not matter, but I'm still curious. Don't believe that JJones or Whiteside testified to the condition of the apartment when they came in.

[upallnight]

You All? Hey Nora, speak for yourself-What reason do you have to come on this thread and try to attack people? You all, just who all are you speaking of? Even without the Waldo name, we are hear to talk about what happened to Nona, talk about the evidence, try to sort it all out. We are not desperately confused. If there is evidence against someone else then so be it. We will probably all be back on here talking about that and the person named if such is done. If you mean all of us on this thread, crazy is completely wrong. Concerned, frustrated, worried, heartbroken, etc., is what we are. We are human, we have no crystal ball. A young girl was murdered. The question is, who is responsible for her death? The answer is out there somewhere. That is what this is all about. Like FD said, one person could make a difference. The truth. We don't have to like or dislike it, just the truth. That kind of sums it up. If you have some facts, just post them, don't play games. The previous posts you have put on here is not backed up with facts. We ask alot of questions because the fact is, we do not know. You post as if you know it all. There is a big difference in the two.


JCMN-Reguarding the PM you sent me saying "get off your high horse" because of my above post. I should call all your friends and invite them to a PITTY PARTY for you. Like I said above-Childish! The truth is out there and we care. I would not wish what happened to Nona on ANYONE, that means you to! Have a wonderful day!:seeya: For Nona - :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[sololobo]

Does anyone recall what kind of Biology exam Nona took the morning of her murder? Was it a lab exam and did it involve dissection? If so, does Tech furnish scalpels or must students purchase their own dissecting kits? Could Nona have brought home a dissecting kit containing a scalpel that morning or could she have one at the apartment if her Biology course involved dissection? A scalpel would produce shallow stab wounds.

[lorettalockhorn]

Seems to me that it was a written exam; her classmate testified that she brought a pen for Nona to use. That's an interesting thought, but I would hope that the medical experts would have recognized cuts made with a scalpel. Or maybe not.

[CSOKC]

Does anyone recall what kind of Biology exam Nona took the morning of her murder? Was it a lab exam and did it involve dissection? If so, does Tech furnish scalpels or must students purchase their own dissecting kits? Could Nona have brought home a dissecting kit containing a scalpel that morning or could she have one at the apartment if her Biology course involved dissection? A scalpel would produce shallow stab wounds.
I took my lab there, and they make you buy your own dissecting kits.

[sololobo]

I took my lab there, and they make you buy your own dissecting kits.

So, if this biology course involved dissecting, Nona may have had a scalpel in her apartment. Also, the members of her lab group, Sarah Bailey, Trey York, Zack Walker, and Danny Vallee may have owned scalpels.

We have at least two possible types of knives that would inflict shallow stab wounds, box cutters and a scalpel. Our imaginary killer may have brought box cutters with him or he may have used a scalpel from the apartment.

[sololobo]

Seems to me that it was a written exam; her classmate testified that she brought a pen for Nona to use. That's an interesting thought, but I would hope that the medical experts would have recognized cuts made with a scalpel. Or maybe not.

Decades ago, my biology lab required both a pen and dissecting kit. I would think the coroner would be able to, at the very least, determine if the wounds were consistent with a scalpel or box cutters but, IIRC, nothing was ever mentioned about it.

[SaraSidle]

Decades ago, my biology lab required both a pen and dissecting kit. I would think the coroner would be able to, at the very least, determine if the wounds were consistent with a scalpel or box cutters but, IIRC, nothing was ever mentioned about it.

The only injuries I remember are the ones made by a blunt instrument. Did I miss anything? IMO

[JustCallMeNora]

JCMN-Reguarding the PM you sent me saying "get off your high horse" because of my above post. I should call all your friends and invite them to a PITTY PARTY for you. Like I said above-Childish! The truth is out there and we care. I would not wish what happened to Nona on ANYONE, that means you to! Have a wonderful day!:seeya: For Nona - :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

Whatever. I did not PM you, however I did leave feedback for you. I care about Nona's murder and the TRUTH, too. You are childish. So, are you trying to say because I left you feedback on your tone that I wish murder upon someone? Not hardly. No one should have to suffer that way, however, I really do not care what your opinion of me is.

[FDInLaw]

The only injuries I remember are the ones made by a blunt instrument. Did I miss anything? IMO

Dr. Charles Kokes
Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Charles Kokes took the stand after lunch. He testified that based on the degree of rigor mortis (stiffening of the limbs and joints after death) and the location and level of lividity in Dirksmeyer’s body at the time she was found, he estimated her death occurred sometime between 10:30 a.m. (the last time she spoke to someone) and 1 p.m. Dec. 15, 2005.
Lividity is caused when blood, pulled by gravity, pools in the lowest points of the body, and can help determine what position a body is left in after death, he said.
“At the time of death, she was left in a face-down position with her arms folded at the elbow” and her hands drawn up toward her shoulders, he said.
Fifth Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons showed Kokes a portion of Jones’ videotaped interview with police on the night of Dirksmeyer’s death. In the tape, Jones told police he found Dirksmeyer lying face up with her arms extended down and hands folded over her abdomen.
Kokes testified that based on the evidence, it would not be possible for Dirksmeyer to have been in the position Jones described at the time the body was found.
He said Dirksmeyer’s body was left in that position for a period of 6-12 hours after death before the body was turned over. He explained that if the body had been moved within six hours, the blood would have pooled on her back and there would have been no evidence of lividity on her arms or her front inner thighs. If the body were moved after 12 hours in the same position, lividity would be fixed, and the blood would not pool elsewhere, he said.
Kokes described Dirks-meyer’s injuries in detail with the aid of graphic autopsy photos. He said the bruising on her forehead was consistent with being struck by a hand, but he could not determine whether it was an open hand or fist.
Referring to those injuries, Gibbons played another portion of Jones’ videotaped statement where Jones, left alone in the room, begins to hit the back of his chair with the heel of his hand for several seconds.
“Was what you saw there enough force to cause those injuries?” Gibbons asked.
“Yes,” Kokes said.
The right side of Dirksmeyer’s hyoid bone (a u-shaped bone that sits above the voice box), coupled with bruising and laceration on the inside of her lips and petechial hemorrhaging in her lower eyelids were consistent with an attempt at strangulation and suffocation, possibly by holding a hand over her mouth and nose and the use of “compressive force” on her neck, Kokes said.
A total of 17 cuts, including four superficial stab wounds, were found on the right side of Dirksmeyer’s upper neck and the back of her shoulder, as well as two other cuts on the front of her neck, he said.
He told the jury the cuts were not deep enough to damage any vital tissue in the neck, and were probably administered from behind by someone wielding a knife in their right hand.
Kokes testified that based on the concentration and the location of blood at the scene, the cuts were probably made while Dirksmeyer was laying face-down on the living room carpet with her hands underneath her.
“She was still able to make some attempt to try and defend herself” by hitching up her right shoulder to shield her neck, Kokes said.
He said the silver floor lamp already entered into evidence was most likely the weapon that caused her fatal head injury.
“Swinging it like a stick or a sledgehammer will get enough leverage to cause the force required,” to cause the depressed skull fracture that killed Dirksmeyer, Kokes said. He described the amount of force needed to cause an injury of that severity to the lower back of the skull — the thickest, most resilient part of the head — “tremendous.”
Kokes also told the jury he found no evidence of forcible rape.
During cross-examination, defense attorney Kenneth Johnson asked about blood transfer from Dirksmeyer to her killer during the attack.
“There would be blood on the individual’s hands,” Kokes said.
“How convenient,” Johnson said.
After an objection by the prosecution, Special Judge John Patterson told Johnson to refrain from making extraneous comments.
The state contends Jones placed a bloody palm print on the light bulb of the alleged murder weapon at the time of the killing.
Kokes explained that blood would be transferred to the killer’s hand during the attempts to cut Dirksmeyer’s throat.
Johnson also attacked Kokes’ time period for when the killing occurred, asking Kokes why the approximate time of death was not in Kokes’ notes.
Kokes responded he later formed an opinion about time of death based on information he received from police, namely the last time it was verified Dirksmeyer was alive.
Johnson asked him what would happen if new evidence were found to prove Dirksmeyer was alive at a later time on the day of her death.
“Then we would have to adjust the timeline,” Kokes said.
http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15414&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

[SaraSidle]

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15414&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

Thanks FDInLaw. This really was full of rage and passion wasn't it? IMO
There were 3 different attempts in a very short time in the middle of the day. Someone she knew!!!!!!!!! IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Decades ago, my biology lab required both a pen and dissecting kit. I would think the coroner would be able to, at the very least, determine if the wounds were consistent with a scalpel or box cutters but, IIRC, nothing was ever mentioned about it.

I don't think it was ever mentioned what the class was, or if it entailed dissection. You would think that some of the medical type witnesses might have taken a guess at what type of instrument left the cuts. (Did the coroner testify?)

[birdie1]

The knife wounds were called "hesitation wounds". Those are inflicted for generally two reasons; 1. the assailant is not committed to the act. 2. The wounds are not intended to be lethal, but to punish or maim. I personally always thought it was done by a woman, and nona tried to block them with her shoulders, hence the wounds locations lack of severity. the perp. did not lac committment, he meant to kill her and did. Also, none of the professionals who saw the knife (recovered two days later after being left on the kitchen counter) think it made thos wounds.

[LurkerNoMore]

To Birdie:

Why do you think alleged information like you posted helps this situation? You're either adding rumors to the mix or releasing important, even critical information. Either way, that's irresponsible, dangerous, and stupid.

You're not gaining fans. And trust me, I don't usually see eye to eye with most here.

[upallnight]

Whatever. I did not PM you, however I did leave feedback for you. I care about Nona's murder and the TRUTH, too. You are childish. So, are you trying to say because I left you feedback on your tone that I wish murder upon someone? Not hardly. No one should have to suffer that way, however, I really do not care what your opinion of me is.

You are correct, it was a feedback not a pm. I am glad you care about Nona's murder and the truth, whatever that may be. No I did not post you wish murder upon anyone. You are right, no one should have to suffer that way! I really don't have an opinion of you, don't care to. I don't know you. Guess the thing is, none of us know the truth in this case. That is what we are all hear to talk about. Our words towards each others posts my seem harsh but in the end I am sure we are all hear for the same reason. Justice For Nona. I still have a very open mind reguardless of the trial of Kevin Jones, I support Justice For Nona no matter who killed her.

[hawgustusgloop]

i spent the last weekend with lewis. i asked lots of questions and got lots of answers. Lewis does not who gentleben (SIC) is, but suspects he knows something.
First, Lewis says that there at least two viable suspects. that one dated ND from last june until her death. This young man drives a 98 white explorer, as does kevin, according to lewis. He told me his name, but I will not say it. Lewis says that he is the best suspect.
Next, Lewis says that KJ's alibi is very good, and the other one is not so good. Lewis says that there were "numerous" hair samples taken. KJ has straight red hair. dark red. There were, according to Lewis, several red hairs, bright and curly were found, These belong to another young man that witnesses say ND was seeing.
The red curly hairs were from suspect number two. lewis says that investigation was poorly handled from the beginning. he points out that the ASP and Pope Co. sheriff were not involve until late Jan. Both have competent, qualified ans experienced murder investigators. The lead inv. for RPD has never investigated a murder, and only "a couple" violent crimes. Lewis says that that there is quite a bit of physical evidence that points in other directions besides KJ. The evidence against KJ is 100% circumstantial, according to Lewis. By the way, did anybody FOI the City of Rsvl.??? Or Pine bluff?? Lewis says he posted here and elsewhere in an attempt to influence potential jurors because that is what the State is doing. The state is not about to go public with exculpatory evidence that is in their possession that relates to the defendant. But, they cannot keep it from the defense. Lewis says that the wounds simply are not consistent with the lamp, and the crime lab report, which will not be public until trial, does not indicate the lamp is the weapon, just that it is one possibility.
Lewis says that KJ told the police that he did touch the lamp, and in fact broke it. Substantiated by the other two witnesses present. The police simply do not beleive that.
MY OPINION HERE:
Prosecutors and police do not frame innocent people, except in rare cases. However, circumstantial evidence is very difficult, and I think juries tend to ignore the instructions they receive about it. Circumstantial evidence, as per the jury instructions, must lead to NO OTHER reasonable conclusion. circumstantial evidence, by its nature, nearly always leads to other reasonable conclusions.
It always worries me when there is no confession or solid physical evidence. There is apparently neither here.
This will apparently be a very interestering trial. I think it will also be devestating for the family. I have learned throughout my professional career to believe very little that i'm told by law enforcement. That is why there are motions for Discovery, which require the state to disclose ALL evidence, including exculpatory evidence. I would not be surprised to Kenny Johnson file a Bill of Particulars. It is not commonly used, but it requires disclosure of everything the MofD does not. Investigators notes, reports of interviews of witnesses that the state does not intend to call. I have seen, in 22 yrs, a Bill of particulars filed less than 5 times. They resulted in dismissAL PRIOR TO TRIAL most of the time.

BUMP

[SaraSidle]

BUMP

Thank you hawgustusgloop. I went and read all the posts and it was such an ordeal. I learned a lot though. but not about Nona I am sorry to say...... There was quite the trio posting here.
IMO

[Serial Killer X]

I find this very confusing. I highlighted your remark in red. Are you saying a woman did this? A man did this? A couple did this? IMO

It's Hard To Tell Sara But I'd Say There Saying A Woman Did This.

SKX

[Amy]

Hey There! How's your swing these days? :seeya:

Well, just in case you missed it, the trial was almost 11 months ago. You haven't been under the gag order (if in fact you were) for quite some time. :rolleyes: Kind of wonder what has taken you this long to drop by. . .

Anywho. . . if in fact you are privy to inside info as you claim, wouldn't it be wise to let the new PA finish his investigation before you go around blabbing? Me thinks that would be the appropriate behavior for one that claims to care about justice for Nona. :shrug: Then again, you have been known to blow smoke for the defense in the past. (Loretta, now would be a great time for a greatest hits lol). How much, if any credence should we give your assertions??? :D

I, for one, am a little confused by her posts. First, she indicates that she knows WHO the perp is, then in the next post says, she always tho't it was a woman. Most women don't use and leave DNA on condoms. I mean, a woman's dna CAN be on a condom, but it would be after use w/a male.

I would have tho't that, if there had been a similar incendent just prior to Nona's murder, even if LE didn't say anything about it, at least ONE of the local papers would have had a story about such a coincidence.

[Serial Killer X]

Good effing grief. Talk about diarrhea of the mouth. Did the judge not order a seal re: the new investigation? If you are indeed a part of it, you should still be gagged.

I've got duct tape.

Lol I Agree!

SKX

[JustCallMeNora]

Hey There! How's your swing these days? :seeya:

Well, just in case you missed it, the trial was almost 11 months ago. You haven't been under the gag order (if in fact you were) for quite some time. :rolleyes: Kind of wonder what has taken you this long to drop by. . .

Anywho. . . if in fact you are privy to inside info as you claim, wouldn't it be wise to let the new PA finish his investigation before you go around blabbing? Me thinks that would be the appropriate behavior for one that claims to care about justice for Nona. :shrug: Then again, you have been known to blow smoke for the defense in the past. (Loretta, now would be a great time for a greatest hits lol). How much, if any credence should we give your assertions??? :D


Hmm... Is everyone who disagrees with the majority here just a "sock puppet" of the defense? Not likely......

[JustCallMeNora]

To Birdie:

Why do you think alleged information like you posted helps this situation? You're either adding rumors to the mix or releasing important, even critical information. Either way, that's irresponsible, dangerous, and stupid.

You're not gaining fans. And trust me, I don't usually see eye to eye with most here.

Neither do I see eye to eye with most here, but I do agree that this is a irresponsible, dangerous and stupid post for birdie to make......

[jeremiads]

The last time we saw birdie1 and his crew, they were pointing fingers at me like the cowardly pieces of crap they are all in the interest of creating rumors and throwing up a smokescreen for their buddy Kevin, all because nothing they tried to throw at me during the investigation would stick.

This isn't any different. If they have this hard evidence, they'd let it play out in the system and be the definitive end to Kevin's perceived guilt.

The people associated with Kevin's defense acted like slime when it came to me, and here we are seeing it again.

[FDInLaw]

The last time we saw birdie1 and his crew, they were pointing fingers at me like the cowardly pieces of crap they are all in the interest of creating rumors and throwing up a smokescreen for their buddy Kevin, all because nothing they tried to throw at me during the investigation would stick.

This isn't any different. If they have this hard evidence, they'd let it play out in the system and be the definitive end to Kevin's perceived guilt.

The people associated with Kevin's defense acted like slime when it came to me, and here we are seeing it again.
What makes me livid beyond words are the folks that claim to care about justice for Nona yet act in a manner to the contrary. How could actions so incredibly self-serving not cause red flags? JMO

Justice for Nona is God's hands. . . there are just too many idiots here on earth to warrant much confidence in anything but Devine intervention. There, that's my rant for the morning! :cool:

[FDInLaw]

Good effing grief. Talk about diarrhea of the mouth. Did the judge not order a seal re: the new investigation? If you are indeed a part of it, you should still be gagged.

I've got duct tape.
Can you say obstruction of justice? :rolleyes: What kind of trouble can a person land themselves in for this anyhow??? :shrug:

:read:

[SaraSidle]

What makes me livid beyond words are the folks that claim to care about justice for Nona yet act in a manner to the contrary. How could actions so incredibly self-serving not cause red flags? JMO

Justice for Nona is God's hands. . . there are just too many idiots here on earth to warrant much confidence in anything but Devine intervention. There, that's my rant for the morning! :cool:


Nice Rant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! s

[lorettalockhorn]

Can you say obstruction of justice? :rolleyes: What kind of trouble can a person land themselves in for this anyhow??? :shrug:

:read:

Dunno. Maybe the judge will grow a pair and use the defense team as an example. And go from there.

[hawgustusgloop]

they were pointing fingers at me


Yes, there were three flaccid fingers aimed in your direction, and as it turned out, you had absolutely NOTHING to do with this crime. So, if Kevin IS totally innocent, why would the golf goons need to bother casting suspicion on an innocent person? LewisM/Gentilben/birdie1 must have had some seriously impotent private investigation skills if they couldn't figure out back then that someone living 53 paces from Nona's apartment had been charged with doing almost the same thing to another victim a couple of years before, right?

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, there were three flaccid fingers aimed in your direction, and as it turned out, you had absolutely NOTHING to do with this crime. So, if Kevin IS totally innocent, why would the golf goons need to bother casting suspicion on an innocent person? LewisM/Gentilben/birdie1 must have had some seriously impotent private investigation skills if they couldn't figure out back then that someone living 53 paces from Nona's apartment had been charged with doing almost the same thing to another victim a couple of years before, right?

You have to wonder; the defense team has done the same and the idiots at Dateline did also. Let's face it, if Dateline's producer was worth his/her salt, (s)he would have gone to the courthouse and would have seen that the new investigation was sealed; yet for some reason, they chose to blindly post Robbins's statement on their site. (Glad I never had faith in Dateline to begin with.) And now that the new investigation is six months closer to completion than it was when Robbin ran his mouth, here comes a birdbrain to tout his tie to the investigation and practically announce the name of the true killer outside of the judge's order. So much for justice. So much for faith in KJ's having been found not guilty. Sounds to me like even his supporters have their doubts.

Birdie's pronouncements are no less despicable than the lack of thoroughness of the original investigation.

[FDInLaw]

You have to wonder; the defense team has done the same and the idiots at Dateline did also. Let's face it, if Dateline's producer was worth his/her salt, (s)he would have gone to the courthouse and would have seen that the new investigation was sealed; yet for some reason, they chose to blindly post Robbins's statement on their site. (Glad I never had faith in Dateline to begin with.) And now that the new investigation is six months closer to completion than it was when Robbin ran his mouth, here comes a birdbrain to tout his tie to the investigation and practically announce the name of the true killer outside of the judge's order. So much for justice. So much for faith in KJ's having been found not guilty. Sounds to me like even his supporters have their doubts.

Birdie's pronouncements are no less despicable than the lack of thoroughness of the original investigation.Love the new avatar. . . Sea Hag was starting to wear on my eyes! :biggrin:

[LurkerNoMore]

Birdie's pronouncements are no less despicable than the lack of thoroughness of the original investigation.

I agree with this statement, Loretta. Have you and I ever agreed before?

[LurkerNoMore]

Can you say obstruction of justice? :rolleyes: What kind of trouble can a person land themselves in for this anyhow??? :shrug:

:read:

I think a call or email to Rhodes would be justified, just to let her know someone claiming to have spoken to her is "quoting" her here - in an ongoing investigation. She's with the AR State Police I believe. Since her name is involved, and she knows the ins and outs of open investigations, we can let her decide how to handle this.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree with this statement, Loretta. Have you and I ever agreed before?

:seeya: Magic Eight Ball says: It is doubtful.

[LurkerNoMore]

I can not believe you posted this. Gag order or not. This is completly
irresponsible to say the least. Does Inv. Rhodes know you posted this? Right or wrong, you should not have posted it IMO and let them finish the investigation. I would think those involved are being told of any new evidence. Why risk jeopardizing the investigation? I mean in the best interest of Nona and/or Kevin, why?



This individual doesn't care about Nona or Kevin. I'm looking to deterimine which State Police troop to contact now just to make sure they are aware info and allegations are being posted and attributed to one of their investigators.

Notice to all who think it's wise to post any info which might damage any ongoing case: You will be reported to the proper authorities, who can decide if you are obstructing justice. This is not a threat - this is a fact.

[FDInLaw]

I think a call or email to Rhodes would be justified, just to let her know someone claiming to have spoken to her is "quoting" her here - in an ongoing investigation. She's with the AR State Police I believe. Since her name is involved, and she knows the ins and outs of open investigations, we can let her decide how to handle this.

This individual doesn't care about Nona or Kevin. I'm looking to deterimine which State Police troop to contact now just to make sure they are aware info and allegations are being posted and attributed to one of their investigators.

Notice to all who think it's wise to post any info which might damage any ongoing case: You will be reported to the proper authorities, who can decide if you are obstructing justice. This is not a threat - this is a fact.ITA! Not a threat. . .this is something we WILL act on! Stacie Rhodes has already been informed. :patriot:

Now, a word of caution, for anyone that might be tempted to take Birdie's assertions at face value, do a quick search and read his other posts. He is a known show boater and often his "facts" are a line of bull. Check it out for yourself!

[lorettalockhorn]

See how he has gone from being a casual lurker to being involved in the resolution of the case:

hi everybody...i've been reading this board for about 2 mos. it is really interesting...some of the things that aresaid on here. i know who lewism is,....i play golf with him....he is a good guy....retired medically from ASP CID....he knows alot that nobody in charge is telling......i wish he would say more. he wont tell us (regular golf group) except that he thinks they got it wrong and hes angry about it, that much i do know. anyway, its fun reading what ya'll have to say and what you think.i'll keep reading, too bad lewis got censored or banned....

[jeremiads]

Other birdie1 posts defaming my character, saved by me:

the better question is who is jeremy martin.....and what is in those emails???? i wonder......didnt jeremt date nona from june 05 til her death?? why yes he did....drove the same kind of vehicle as kj....same colr even....wonder why none of the other residents of the apts ever saw kj....only lm??? mmmm...makes one wonder...I didn't date Nona from June of 2005 until her death. June-July of 2005 was the last time I ever spent time with Nona.

(the emails are really ims that came from kjs computer which nd had, til late fall. ims were turned over by defense. dont you want to know whats in them???? yes you really do!!!)I voluntarily turned over every e-mail between myself and Nona that I had saved. There were also IMs from Nona's computer that were being logged, which is what birdie1 is referring to.

JM was dating a girl who broke up w/ him because she learned that he was also seeing nona. she now lives in van buren and evidently gives a very interesting interview.False. While dating the referenced girl, I never saw Nona. We broke up for regular reasons, nothing to do with me seeing anybody else.

Those "emails" or "IM's"....are really incredible stuff...."i have committed the perfect crime"....JM...go to the trial and see for yourself.Funny enough, the IMs were worth so little that they were never brought into trial. In fact, what birdie1 is referencing is when I set an MSN screen name to a lyric from a song, Faith No More's "Perfect Crime." So, I never actually said what birdie1 claimed. In fact, Nona's MSN login referenced lyrics as well: "a fire inside." Am I now to believe that Nona was setting fire to things inside of her house?

[jeremiads]

See how he has gone from being a casual lurker to being involved in the resolution of the case:Back in June of 2006 he actually claimed to have been involved in circuit court proceedings. He claimed that he spent every Monday in circuit court when there are docket calls and pleas, and that he was involved in conversations.

I'd love to find out who the guy is, because it'd be nice for me to know names of people involving in lying about me, other than the obvious idiot mouthpieces (Kevin's defense team).

[lorettalockhorn]

Back in June of 2006 he actually claimed to have been involved in circuit court proceedings. He claimed that he spent every Monday in circuit court when there are docket calls and pleas, and that he was involved in conversations.

I'd love to find out who the guy is, because it'd be nice for me to know names of people involving in lying about me, other than the obvious idiot mouthpieces (Kevin's defense team).

Normally, any Tom, Dick, Harry, or Jerkwad can sit in court. The judge may ask in some instances if you are a party to a case. That's one of the great things about living in the USA; the open court system.

[hawgustusgloop]

Back in June of 2006 he actually claimed to have been involved in circuit court proceedings. He claimed that he spent every Monday in circuit court when there are docket calls and pleas, and that he was involved in conversations.

I'd love to find out who the guy is, because it'd be nice for me to know names of people involving in lying about me, other than the obvious idiot mouthpieces (Kevin's defense team).

Maybe this person is/was some type of "journalist" for a local paper or TV station? Or just a lying moron.

[FDInLaw]

Other birdie1 posts defaming my character, saved by me:

I didn't date Nona from June of 2005 until her death. June-July of 2005 was the last time I ever spent time with Nona.

I voluntarily turned over every e-mail between myself and Nona that I had saved. There were also IMs from Nona's computer that were being logged, which is what birdie1 is referring to.

False. While dating the referenced girl, I never saw Nona. We broke up for regular reasons, nothing to do with me seeing anybody else.

Funny enough, the IMs were worth so little that they were never brought into trial. In fact, what birdie1 is referencing is when I set an MSN screen name to a lyric from a song, Faith No More's "Perfect Crime." So, I never actually said what birdie1 claimed. In fact, Nona's MSN login referenced lyrics as well: "a fire inside." Am I now to believe that Nona was setting fire to things inside of her house?
My, what a memory you have Jeremy! Bet you would like to know this turkey's name! :D

[lorettalockhorn]

Other birdie1 posts defaming my character, saved by me:

I didn't date Nona from June of 2005 until her death. June-July of 2005 was the last time I ever spent time with Nona.

I voluntarily turned over every e-mail between myself and Nona that I had saved. There were also IMs from Nona's computer that were being logged, which is what birdie1 is referring to.

False. While dating the referenced girl, I never saw Nona. We broke up for regular reasons, nothing to do with me seeing anybody else.

Funny enough, the IMs were worth so little that they were never brought into trial. In fact, what birdie1 is referencing is when I set an MSN screen name to a lyric from a song, Faith No More's "Perfect Crime." So, I never actually said what birdie1 claimed. In fact, Nona's MSN login referenced lyrics as well: "a fire inside." Am I now to believe that Nona was setting fire to things inside of her house?

Can just imagine the loon running with that too.

[SaraSidle]

I do not think this person amounts to anything special. As loretta states anyone can go to the courthouse. This is probably another person who lives in the area and hears rumors. Talks a good game and has "special vocabulary" to make him/her seem what he/she claims to be but is not. More entertaining than anything else IMO. I just hope our new posters are okay with it............IMO

[Amy]

I do not think this person amounts to anything special. As loretta states anyone can go to the courthouse. This is probably another person who lives in the area and hears rumors. Talks a good game and has "special vocabulary" to make him/her seem what he/she claims to be but is not. More entertaining than anything else IMO. I just hope our new posters are okay with it............IMO


Somebody wanting to be somebody important, I suppose. Prolly doesn't get enough attention @ home. We had a doctor who tried to "reign supreme" @ work---cuz his wife wore the pants @ home.

[SaraSidle]

Somebody wanting to be somebody important, I suppose. Prolly doesn't get enough attention @ home. We had a doctor who tried to "reign supreme" @ work---cuz his wife wore the pants @ home.

Wow Amy good point. I never even thought of that but it sounds very feasible. IMO

[Serial Killer X]

Nice Rant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! s

Yer I Agree Very Nice Rant.

SKX

[iluvmua]

Why is it taking Kevin's team so long to tell us who the new POI is? are they still gathering new info?

[lorettalockhorn]

McQuary is in charge of the investigation; I would hope that the defense team will shut it from here on out. Can only assume the new investigation is extremely thorough.

[FDInLaw]

Why is it taking Kevin's team so long to tell us who the new POI is? are they still gathering new info?Since the investigation is now in the State's hands, Kevin's team is waiting for answers just like the rest of us I guess. Unless the POI(s?) becomes a viable suspect, there may be no official word IMO. It was never announced who the original persons of interest were back in 2005. . . isn't this normal procedure??? Basically, if there is not enough evidence to prosecute someone other than Kevin, we may be stuck with an indefinite "who done it?" Let's pray this is not the case!

Back before Kevin was arrested, there were a number of rumors that got the community in an uproar. . . be on your guard, no doubt this is happening again. Let's wait and see what conclusions McQuary comes to. :seeya:

[Eagle2]

Hey All. Long time lurker, first time poster. :) I had to post something in response to Birdi. If the info that you have is true, what gives you the right to post it. For that matter, in a previous post one of your firends claimed to be hired by the RPD as a consultant. When the "incompentent" Det. Frost conftonted the three of you, who by the way remained nameless, you disappeared Why? If you had all this good info in the begining why did you post here instead of contacting the investigating agency? On another note, how do you know (for fact) that your person was not investigated? Did investigator Rhods tell you that?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Eagle!

I just realized that our other birdie got duck taped. :hat:

[FDInLaw]

Hey All. Long time lurker, first time poster. :) I had to post something in response to Birdi. If the info that you have is true, what gives you the right to post it. For that matter, in a previous post one of your firends claimed to be hired by the RPD as a consultant. When the "incompentent" Det. Frost conftonted the three of you, who by the way remained nameless, you disappeared Why? If you had all this good info in the begining why did you post here instead of contacting the investigating agency? On another note, how do you know (for fact) that your person was not investigated? Did investigator Rhods tell you that?WELCOME! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

i was in circuit court monday morning. what i posted is what i heard said. the dep. prosector made the statement about ip addresses. that lawyers ALL agreed that Frost severely damaged his credibility by not refuting EVERYBODY on this board who claimed knowledge. I too want justice for Nona. I am not convinced that she is getting it. the4 states evidence is poor. remember that the PC statement is NOT evidence

Hypocrite much?

[FDInLaw]

Hypocrite much?LMAO!

"Duct tape is silver!"

:biggrin:

[upallnight]

ITA! Not a threat. . .this is something we WILL act on! Stacie Rhodes has already been informed. :patriot:

Now, a word of caution, for anyone that might be tempted to take Birdie's assertions at face value, do a quick search and read his other posts. He is a known show boater and often his "facts" are a line of bull. Check it out for yourself!

Good and Amen to that!

[SaraSidle]

LMAO!

"Duct tape is silver!"

:biggrin:


loretta went from seahag to the silencer.... You go girl. this is the perfect place for it LOL

[ifIwereU]

I sure have missed alot of good debates on here...and a lot of reteric(sp) from JCMN
I wonder where Christina has been, she/he has been very quiet since the new info emerged.....

[JustCallMeNora]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=18824

[SaraSidle]

loretta went from seahag to the silencer.... You go girl. this is the perfect place for it LOL

Loretta I found a picture of a fish hag. Yes they do exist if you want me to post it.

:rose: JUSTICE FOR NONA:rose:

[Eagle2]

Hey Eagle!

I just realized that our other birdie got duck taped. :hat:

Why can't Birdi talk somemore? I would like some answers to the questions that I asked. This board has had some really good discussions and then there seems to be some that only want to defend their own agenda without really contrubuting to the discussion. For those I think that the questions that I asked were good ones and they need the opportunity to answer.

On another note, I hope the special investigation does yeild a suspect and that suspect be convicted if guilty, for the families sake.

[FDInLaw]

Why can't Birdi talk somemore? I would like some answers to the questions that I asked. This board has had some really good discussions and then there seems to be some that only want to defend their own agenda without really contrubuting to the discussion. For those I think that the questions that I asked were good ones and they need the opportunity to answer.

On another note, I hope the special investigation does yeild a suspect and that suspect be convicted if guilty, for the families sake.You did ask some excellent questions! If you look under birdie1's name (on his posts) it still says "member". . . he has not been banned and is still able to post. Can't really tell you if he will or not. :shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

Hey All. Long time lurker, first time poster. :) I had to post something in response to Birdi. If the info that you have is true, what gives you the right to post it. For that matter, in a previous post one of your firends claimed to be hired by the RPD as a consultant. When the "incompentent" Det. Frost conftonted the three of you, who by the way remained nameless, you disappeared Why? If you had all this good info in the begining why did you post here instead of contacting the investigating agency? On another note, how do you know (for fact) that your person was not investigated? Did investigator Rhods tell you that?

BUMPING in hopes our fowl-weather friend will come back and answer Eagle2's questions. Somehow I doubt it though. I smell a ratite.:chicken:

[lorettalockhorn]

Why can't Birdi talk somemore? I would like some answers to the questions that I asked. This board has had some really good discussions and then there seems to be some that only want to defend their own agenda without really contrubuting to the discussion. For those I think that the questions that I asked were good ones and they need the opportunity to answer.

On another note, I hope the special investigation does yeild a suspect and that suspect be convicted if guilty, for the families sake.

Didn't mean that he cannot talk; just that his post(s) had been removed. Sorry for the confusion.

OR maybe he just can't talk about what he says that he knows about this case (for now). The judge ordered the new investigation sealed. I suppose there is a possibility that we might never know where it leads/lead them.

[SaraSidle]

Didn't mean that he cannot talk; just that his post(s) had been removed. Sorry for the confusion.

OR maybe he just can't talk about what he says that he knows about this case (for now). The judge ordered the new investigation sealed. I suppose there is a possibility that we might never know where it leads/lead them.

I was giving you and your duct tape the credit for that posting removal :seeya:

[upallnight]

We will never forget you Nona! Happy 4th of July to everyone, may it be a safe and happy one.

[sweetgranny]

Happy July 4th! Have a great day and stay safe.
Here's to Nona:rose: :rose:

[optimumprimal78]

Howdy everyone!:seeya:

I obviously haven't been on here in a while. It looks like I have a lot of posts to go through.

Hope you all had a great 4th!

[SaraSidle]

Howdy everyone!:seeya:

I obviously haven't been on here in a while. It looks like I have a lot of posts to go through.

Hope you all had a great 4th!

Wow I have never seen you post here. Please read the posts and let us know what you think.

[FDInLaw]

Howdy everyone!:seeya:

I obviously haven't been on here in a while. It looks like I have a lot of posts to go through.

Hope you all had a great 4th!Huggers OP! It's good to see you! :seeya:

Things seem to be quiet right now. Our old "friend" birdie1 paid a visit . . . sorry you missed the BBQ. :D (Did I post that? :punch: :biggrin: )

[FDInLaw]

Crime Library's sister board In Sessions (CTV) is rumored to have been hacked into and is now closed for the time being. . . it is possible that this board may be closed for a spell as well. Just a heads up.

[Amy]

Crime Library's sister board In Sessions (CTV) is rumored to have been hacked into and is now closed for the time being. . . it is possible that this board may be closed for a spell as well. Just a heads up.

That stinks. I wasn't home for much of the day, but when I tried InSession, got the down for maintainence message.

Hope they don't shut down here--but guess if they are checking to prevent a problem, better to nip it in the bud!!!!

[FDInLaw]

That stinks. I wasn't home for much of the day, but when I tried InSession, got the down for maintainence message.

Hope they don't shut down here--but guess if they are checking to prevent a problem, better to nip it in the bud!!!!
Did you ever sign up over on Helpfindthemissing.org??? Just noticed today that it has some facebook-like features. . . kind of fun! :)

[FDInLaw]

WARNING!
This Board is being hacked into! Play it safe and do not open e-mails or links that are sent to you.
:mad:


http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9107951#post9107951

[upallnight]

WARNING!
This Board is being hacked into! Play it safe and do not open e-mails or links that are sent to you.
:mad:


http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9107951#post9107951

Thanks for the heads up FD. Hope everyone is well and had a nice Holiday. :rose: For Nona