Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[SaraSidle]

wow I did not know much of anything on this case until I saw Dateline 5/2.
From what I saw and heard they have no evidence on anyone really. IMO
Very disappointing for Nona's family I am sure. If there were more details I wish I could have heard and seen them. JMO

[The R]

wow I did not know much of anything on this case until I saw Dateline 5/2.
From what I saw and heard they have no evidence on anyone really. IMO
Very disappointing for Nona's family I am sure. If there were more details I wish I could have heard and seen them. JMO



After viewing the Dateline show, I can understand why this case is where it is currently. I believe the state should be embarrassed if not ashamed for some of its actions.

Among these would be allowing a non-certified polygrapher to be in on the interview of the suspect. Of course the results aren't admissible anyway, but the manner in which the state tried to obtain a confession can be important in the eyes of the jury. Losing the cellphone data, especially Nona's outgoing messages? Pretty sad, esp in light of turning the phone over to the family member. Why would they do that? Makes no sense at all IMO.
The after photos of Jones also support his defense.

Of course from what I saw, there is plenty info available that points to Jones being involved. The text message u alive? and his behavior immediately prior to his 'discovering' her dead is pretty dadgum hinky. The fact he got his mother and friend to be involved in the process is plain out weird IMO.

I am sorry that I've haven't followed this case that much but want to ask the people familiar with it if the possibility of KJ having an accomplice has been explored much?


Thanks and ALLMO,
R

[lorettalockhorn]

The photos of KJ don't support anything. There was no evidence that Nona fought with her murderer. There is no reason to assume that Kevin would have been scratched or bear any other signs of a fight. There were many glaring inconsistencies that Dateline left hanging. Whether that was because NBC is unfamiliar with the case, wanted to generate interest in the case, or is pro-Jones is a mystery to me. Not as bad as 48 Hours.

[LurkerNoMore]

The photos of KJ don't support anything. There was no evidence that Nona fought with her murderer. There is no reason to assume that Kevin would have been scratched or bear any other signs of a fight. There were many glaring inconsistencies that Dateline left hanging. Whether that was because NBC is unfamiliar with the case, wanted to generate interest in the case, or is pro-Jones is a mystery to me. Not as bad as 48 Hours.

I posted my thoughts on the Dateline thread - but Loretta, I have to disagree here. I just can't imagine someone doing all that to Nona and not having a mark or a scratch on them. I just can't. That poor girl was mauled. Just absolutely mauled. It's like the person who did it just went crazy and hit her with everything available. To not have a bruise or cut or anything on his hands or anywhere else? To hit her with such force it bruised her brain and then not have any signs on his own body? On his hands? I wonder if they looked on his knees for carpet burn, etc.

[LurkerNoMore]

All the evidence against KJ, none against any one else. That says alot to me!

I agree with you 100 percent about the comments about Carol being BS as I stated on the dateline thread. No judgment of her is fair.

But as far as evidence - the fingerprints on the base of the lamp and the DNA on the condom wrapper have to be considered evidence against someone else. We're talking fingerprints where the killer had to hold the lamp to do damage. I don't mean that proves someone else did it but that is considered evidence and therefore there is not only evidence pointing to KJ.

And if the police had fingerprinted the faucet, toilet flusher handle, etc, then there may have been even more evidence pointing to others. But we'll never know.

[lorettalockhorn]

To the best of my knowledge, her nails weren't broken and there was not blood or skin found under her nails. Don't believe it was testified that she had any defensive wounds. The blows to the head would/could have stunned her to the point that she couldn't fight her attacker.

[LurkerNoMore]

To the best of my knowledge, her nails weren't broken and there was not blood or skin found under her nails. Don't believe it was testified that she had any defensive wounds. The blows to the head would/could have stunned her to the point that she couldn't fight her attacker.

You're right Loretta - but still I think the attacker would have had some OFFENSIVE wounds - not from Nona fighting back but from the force of his own attack.

[The R]

You're right Loretta - but still I think the attacker would have had some OFFENSIVE wounds - not from Nona fighting back but from the force of his own attack.

I didn't get what you'd call a really good look at the post incident photos of the suspect, but I agree that if she was the victim of the beating they say she was, it would seem the offender would have a wound or bruise or two. That's why I made the point to start with and why I asked if anyone had considered an accomplice.

ALLMO,
R

[FDInLaw]

Kevin also hit the wall at the crime scene. . . no marks. . . :shrug:

[upallnight]

I agree with you 100 percent about the comments about Carol being BS as I stated on the dateline thread. No judgment of her is fair.

But as far as evidence - the fingerprints on the base of the lamp and the DNA on the condom wrapper have to be considered evidence against someone else. We're talking fingerprints where the killer had to hold the lamp to do damage. I don't mean that proves someone else did it but that is considered evidence and therefore there is not only evidence pointing to KJ.

And if the police had fingerprinted the faucet, toilet flusher handle, etc, then there may have been even more evidence pointing to others. But we'll never know.

Agreed more things should have been fingerprinted or checked for DNA. I wonder if the fingerprints or possible DNA on all other things would have proved in favor of KJ or against KJ. I do believe if the finger prints was in Nona's blood they would have had them checked. Could have been either way you are right, we will never know.

[upallnight]

To the best of my knowledge, her nails weren't broken and there was not blood or skin found under her nails. Don't believe it was testified that she had any defensive wounds. The blows to the head would/could have stunned her to the point that she couldn't fight her attacker.
Yes, I agree-I wonder if anyone checked KJ's hand for bruising after he hit that chair.

[The R]

Kevin also hit the wall at the crime scene. . . no marks. . . :shrug:

Did he? hmmmm. I mostly saw him hitting the back of a flimsy plastic chair on the video.

I do believe what you say however! Got any idea if the photos of his hands were taken after the videotaped interview?

R

[The R]

One other thing that popped out at me when reading back over this thread was the mutual friend that posted she saw KJ writhing in emotion and that she helped him through his pain of losing Nona. Is it possible she mistook the emotion for something else it could've been? It would be easy to assume that his emotion was from grieving when it could've been from guilt? Please forgive a new poster if this issue has been addressed previously.

Just ALLMO,
R

[upallnight]

One other thing that popped out at me when reading back over this thread was the mutual friend that posted she saw KJ writhing in emotion and that she helped him through his pain of losing Nona. Is it possible she mistook the emotion for something else it could've been? It would be easy to assume that his emotion was from grieving when it could've been from guilt? Please forgive a new poster if this issue has been addressed previously.

Just ALLMO,
R

R, if this friend is CH, she has been involved in much to do with KJ. She even went to the police and reported seeing KJ watch while RW had sex with someone she knew. There is more to the story, you may want to read it. No one was charged with rape or anything, seems the story changed. As you read through the thread you will see posts on it or go to the courier newspaper site and check the archives. Key word in archive could possibly hit on that story if you enter Kevin Jones.

[The R]

R, if this friend is CH, she has been involved in much to do with KJ. She even went to the police and reported seeing KJ watch while RW had sex with someone she knew. There is more to the story, you may want to read it. No one was charged with rape or anything, seems the story changed. As you read through the thread you will see posts on it or go to the courier newspaper site and check the archives. Key word in archive could possibly hit on that story if you enter Kevin Jones.


Will do! Thanks!


R

[upallnight]

I didn't get what you'd call a really good look at the post incident photos of the suspect, but I agree that if she was the victim of the beating they say she was, it would seem the offender would have a wound or bruise or two. That's why I made the point to start with and why I asked if anyone had considered an accomplice.

ALLMO,
R

R, The attacker beat the hell out of Nona, I don't think she ever had a chance to fight back. It was testified to that the attacker hit her so hard with the first blow Nona was probably not able to defend herself. This attack was brutal to say the least, believe me-seeing the dateline version and seeing the photos and evidence at the trial in the courthouse are not the same. Much, much more to be said and shown than dateline offered. I really do not think KJ not having a bruise means he did not kill Nona. Nona did not have a chance to fight back IMO. As far as an accomplice, I have not heard of one, but I myself have thought of it but it just does not add up IMO. If this new investigation leads to a new arrest for the murder of Nona then I think we all will have to sort through that. But for now all evidence IMO points to KJ. Not saying the RPD did all that should have been done, just saying the evidence I know of to date. KJ's attorney's have said alot but nothing has been made public to this point to lead to anyone else being arrested. I will not hold my breath but I would love to see this case solved. Then again it all leads back to KJ and did they have the right person on trial already? Will we ever know? There is always hope and prayer.

[lorettalockhorn]

One other thing that popped out at me when reading back over this thread was the mutual friend that posted she saw KJ writhing in emotion and that she helped him through his pain of losing Nona. Is it possible she mistook the emotion for something else it could've been? It would be easy to assume that his emotion was from grieving when it could've been from guilt? Please forgive a new poster if this issue has been addressed previously.

Just ALLMO,
R

Bear in mind that at the time that KJ was in such pain and distress, he had the presence of mind to be posting at the pageant website. He wasn't exactly prostrate with grief as CH has depicted.

[The R]

R, The attacker beat the hell out of Nona, I don't think she ever had a chance to fight back. It was testified to that the attacker hit her so hard with the first blow Nona was probably not able to defend herself. This attack was brutal to say the least, believe me-seeing the dateline version and seeing the photos and evidence at the trial in the courthouse are not the same. Much, much more to be said and shown than dateline offered. I really do not think KJ not having a bruise means he did not kill Nona. Nona did not have a chance to fight back IMO. As far as an accomplice, I have not heard of one, but I myself have thought of it but it just does not add up IMO. If this new investigation leads to a new arrest for the murder of Nona then I think we all will have to sort through that. But for now all evidence IMO points to KJ. Not saying the RPD did all that should have been done, just saying the evidence I know of to date. KJ's attorney's have said alot but nothing has been made public to this point to lead to anyone else being arrested. I will not hold my breath but I would love to see this case solved. Then again it all leads back to KJ and did they have the right person on trial already? Will we ever know? There is always hope and prayer.


Thanks for the info UP!

Was it established that she was struck by fists? ... the Dateline show implied that to be the case. Or could the trauma have been from objects?

R

[The R]

Bear in mind that at the time that KJ was in such pain and distress, he had the presence of mind to be posting at the pageant website. He wasn't exactly prostrate with grief as CH has depicted.

very interesting. Thanks.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the info UP!

Was it established that she was struck by fists? ... the Dateline show implied that to be the case. Or could the trauma have been from objects?

R

Summary of the ME's (Kokes') testimony:

Dr. Charles Kokes
Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Charles Kokes took the stand after lunch. He testified that based on the degree of rigor mortis (stiffening of the limbs and joints after death) and the location and level of lividity in Dirksmeyer’s body at the time she was found, he estimated her death occurred sometime between 10:30 a.m. (the last time she spoke to someone) and 1 p.m. Dec. 15, 2005.
Lividity is caused when blood, pulled by gravity, pools in the lowest points of the body, and can help determine what position a body is left in after death, he said.
“At the time of death, she was left in a face-down position with her arms folded at the elbow” and her hands drawn up toward her shoulders, he said.
Fifth Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons showed Kokes a portion of Jones’ videotaped interview with police on the night of Dirksmeyer’s death. In the tape, Jones told police he found Dirksmeyer lying face up with her arms extended down and hands folded over her abdomen.
Kokes testified that based on the evidence, it would not be possible for Dirksmeyer to have been in the position Jones described at the time the body was found.
He said Dirksmeyer’s body was left in that position for a period of 6-12 hours after death before the body was turned over. He explained that if the body had been moved within six hours, the blood would have pooled on her back and there would have been no evidence of lividity on her arms or her front inner thighs. If the body were moved after 12 hours in the same position, lividity would be fixed, and the blood would not pool elsewhere, he said.
Kokes described Dirks-meyer’s injuries in detail with the aid of graphic autopsy photos. He said the bruising on her forehead was consistent with being struck by a hand, but he could not determine whether it was an open hand or fist.
Referring to those injuries, Gibbons played another portion of Jones’ videotaped statement where Jones, left alone in the room, begins to hit the back of his chair with the heel of his hand for several seconds.
“Was what you saw there enough force to cause those injuries?” Gibbons asked.
“Yes,” Kokes said.
The right side of Dirksmeyer’s hyoid bone (a u-shaped bone that sits above the voice box), coupled with bruising and laceration on the inside of her lips and petechial hemorrhaging in her lower eyelids were consistent with an attempt at strangulation and suffocation, possibly by holding a hand over her mouth and nose and the use of “compressive force” on her neck, Kokes said.
A total of 17 cuts, including four superficial stab wounds, were found on the right side of Dirksmeyer’s upper neck and the back of her shoulder, as well as two other cuts on the front of her neck, he said.
He told the jury the cuts were not deep enough to damage any vital tissue in the neck, and were probably administered from behind by someone wielding a knife in their right hand.
Kokes testified that based on the concentration and the location of blood at the scene, the cuts were probably made while Dirksmeyer was laying face-down on the living room carpet with her hands underneath her.
“She was still able to make some attempt to try and defend herself” by hitching up her right shoulder to shield her neck, Kokes said.
He said the silver floor lamp already entered into evidence was most likely the weapon that caused her fatal head injury.
“Swinging it like a stick or a sledgehammer will get enough leverage to cause the force required,” to cause the depressed skull fracture that killed Dirksmeyer, Kokes said. He described the amount of force needed to cause an injury of that severity to the lower back of the skull — the thickest, most resilient part of the head — “tremendous.”
Kokes also told the jury he found no evidence of forcible rape.
During cross-examination, defense attorney Kenneth Johnson asked about blood transfer from Dirksmeyer to her killer during the attack.
“There would be blood on the individual’s hands,” Kokes said.
“How convenient,” Johnson said.
After an objection by the prosecution, Special Judge John Patterson told Johnson to refrain from making extraneous comments.
The state contends Jones placed a bloody palm print on the light bulb of the alleged murder weapon at the time of the killing.
Kokes explained that blood would be transferred to the killer’s hand during the attempts to cut Dirksmeyer’s throat.
Johnson also attacked Kokes’ time period for when the killing occurred, asking Kokes why the approximate time of death was not in Kokes’ notes.
Kokes responded he later formed an opinion about time of death based on information he received from police, namely the last time it was verified Dirksmeyer was alive.
Johnson asked him what would happen if new evidence were found to prove Dirksmeyer was alive at a later time on the day of her death.
“Then we would have to adjust the timeline,” Kokes said.

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15392&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

Nona archives:

http://couriernews.com/archivesearch.php

You will also find information about the alleged rape using this link.

[upallnight]

Thanks for the info UP!

Was it established that she was struck by fists? ... the Dateline show implied that to be the case. Or could the trauma have been from objects?

R
The hit was testified by pro to be much like the hit KJ did with the inside hard part of his hand on the chair, a very, very hard hit though. The video was shown in court of KJ when he hit that chair. From what I remember, this more than likely rendered her unable to defend herself. At the most she may have tried to shield the stabbing as much as she could. That hard hit stunned/impaired her more than likely giving the attacker the advantage of his/her strength over Nona. From there the attack got more brutal from what I understand. The hit came first, then there was strangulation (so much force of strangulation it broke a bone, stabbing her many times and the final blow to the back of her head with the lamp base. The lamp base was the only object testified to that was used to hit Nona. The stab wounds she suffered was testified to as some being hesitant, as though the attacker knew her. I think there was about 17 cut/stab wounds on her. Even though she had been hit from the first blow by this monster, trying to shield yourself even when stunned like that would seem to me to be a natural response if at all possible by Nona. Like I said dateline only showed part of the story. The rest of the story puts the icing on the cake so to say and that is why I feel KJ is guilty of the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer. I would hope if I was murdered my love would not be out partying like it was just another day. Really, there is much more to this than meets the eye.

[upallnight]

Summary of the ME's (Kokes') testimony:

Dr. Charles Kokes
Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Charles Kokes took the stand after lunch. He testified that based on the degree of rigor mortis (stiffening of the limbs and joints after death) and the location and level of lividity in Dirksmeyer’s body at the time she was found, he estimated her death occurred sometime between 10:30 a.m. (the last time she spoke to someone) and 1 p.m. Dec. 15, 2005.
Lividity is caused when blood, pulled by gravity, pools in the lowest points of the body, and can help determine what position a body is left in after death, he said.
“At the time of death, she was left in a face-down position with her arms folded at the elbow” and her hands drawn up toward her shoulders, he said.
Fifth Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons showed Kokes a portion of Jones’ videotaped interview with police on the night of Dirksmeyer’s death. In the tape, Jones told police he found Dirksmeyer lying face up with her arms extended down and hands folded over her abdomen.
Kokes testified that based on the evidence, it would not be possible for Dirksmeyer to have been in the position Jones described at the time the body was found.
He said Dirksmeyer’s body was left in that position for a period of 6-12 hours after death before the body was turned over. He explained that if the body had been moved within six hours, the blood would have pooled on her back and there would have been no evidence of lividity on her arms or her front inner thighs. If the body were moved after 12 hours in the same position, lividity would be fixed, and the blood would not pool elsewhere, he said.
Kokes described Dirks-meyer’s injuries in detail with the aid of graphic autopsy photos. He said the bruising on her forehead was consistent with being struck by a hand, but he could not determine whether it was an open hand or fist.
Referring to those injuries, Gibbons played another portion of Jones’ videotaped statement where Jones, left alone in the room, begins to hit the back of his chair with the heel of his hand for several seconds.
“Was what you saw there enough force to cause those injuries?” Gibbons asked.
“Yes,” Kokes said.
The right side of Dirksmeyer’s hyoid bone (a u-shaped bone that sits above the voice box), coupled with bruising and laceration on the inside of her lips and petechial hemorrhaging in her lower eyelids were consistent with an attempt at strangulation and suffocation, possibly by holding a hand over her mouth and nose and the use of “compressive force” on her neck, Kokes said.
A total of 17 cuts, including four superficial stab wounds, were found on the right side of Dirksmeyer’s upper neck and the back of her shoulder, as well as two other cuts on the front of her neck, he said.
He told the jury the cuts were not deep enough to damage any vital tissue in the neck, and were probably administered from behind by someone wielding a knife in their right hand.
Kokes testified that based on the concentration and the location of blood at the scene, the cuts were probably made while Dirksmeyer was laying face-down on the living room carpet with her hands underneath her.
“She was still able to make some attempt to try and defend herself” by hitching up her right shoulder to shield her neck, Kokes said.
He said the silver floor lamp already entered into evidence was most likely the weapon that caused her fatal head injury.
“Swinging it like a stick or a sledgehammer will get enough leverage to cause the force required,” to cause the depressed skull fracture that killed Dirksmeyer, Kokes said. He described the amount of force needed to cause an injury of that severity to the lower back of the skull — the thickest, most resilient part of the head — “tremendous.”
Kokes also told the jury he found no evidence of forcible rape.
During cross-examination, defense attorney Kenneth Johnson asked about blood transfer from Dirksmeyer to her killer during the attack.
“There would be blood on the individual’s hands,” Kokes said.
“How convenient,” Johnson said.
After an objection by the prosecution, Special Judge John Patterson told Johnson to refrain from making extraneous comments.
The state contends Jones placed a bloody palm print on the light bulb of the alleged murder weapon at the time of the killing.
Kokes explained that blood would be transferred to the killer’s hand during the attempts to cut Dirksmeyer’s throat.
Johnson also attacked Kokes’ time period for when the killing occurred, asking Kokes why the approximate time of death was not in Kokes’ notes.
Kokes responded he later formed an opinion about time of death based on information he received from police, namely the last time it was verified Dirksmeyer was alive.
Johnson asked him what would happen if new evidence were found to prove Dirksmeyer was alive at a later time on the day of her death.
“Then we would have to adjust the timeline,” Kokes said.

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15392&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

Nona archives:

http://couriernews.com/archivesearch.php

You will also find information about the alleged rape using this link.

Thanks L and way to put it out there for R, I was just going on memory. R, L does it right! :beer:

[upallnight]

Kokes responded he later formed an opinion about time of death based on information he received from police, namely the last time it was verified Dirksmeyer was alive.
Johnson asked him what would happen if new evidence were found to prove Dirksmeyer was alive at a later time on the day of her death.
“Then we would have to adjust the timeline,” Kokes said.

I wonder if Johnson was talking about the rumor that KJ's brother saw Nona around 1:00 pm that day driving her car?

Ummmm, guess that never happened.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks L and way to put it out there for R, I was just going on memory. R, L does it right! :beer:

Your memory is so much better than mine! (Left-handed compliment unintended.) My Sainted Mother used to say that there is no need to clutter your mind with things that can be researched/looked up. (And that was before the internet.)

To back up a little; I do think it's possible that KJ had an accomplice in staging the scene.

[upallnight]

Your memory is so much better than mine! (Left-handed compliment unintended.) My Sainted Mother used to say that there is no need to clutter your mind with things that can be researched/looked up. (And that was before the internet.)

To back up a little; I do think it's possible that KJ had an accomplice in staging the scene.

hehe! Sounds like a smart mom to me! I agree as far as staging the scene, lots of little elfs, 3 musketeers’ or whatever was there with him that day so to say. Oh my, what would we do without the internet. (Other than clean house or something, ughhhh-boring)

[katytigers]

or here is another theory maybe just maybe the creepy DD did it.Why havent the cops cleard him 100%?

[SaraSidle]

or here is another theory maybe just maybe the creepy DD did it.Why havent the cops cleard him 100%?

Didn't the reporters on Dateline say he has been shopping all day and had the receipts? IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

or here is another theory maybe just maybe the creepy DD did it.Why havent the cops cleard him 100%?

They haven't? :eek: What about his alibi? Do you have new information? Do you know him to be creepy?

[katytigers]

sounded to me that he called his 5 times and she said he never calls.That sounds like a man wanting an alibi.Also seems to me the cops only looked at one person for this and its the reason they should be fired.This story made the police look real bad to the rest of the county

[hawgustusgloop]

Kokes responded he later formed an opinion about time of death based on information he received from police, namely the last time it was verified Dirksmeyer was alive.
Johnson asked him what would happen if new evidence were found to prove Dirksmeyer was alive at a later time on the day of her death.
“Then we would have to adjust the timeline,” Kokes said.

I wonder if Johnson was talking about the rumor that KJ's brother saw Nona around 1:00 pm that day driving her car?

Ummmm, guess that never happened.

I wondered if all that obscure testimony about Nona's computer downloading pictures was an attempt to "prove" Nona was alive and using her computer later than the prosecutor's theorized time of death.

[lorettalockhorn]

sounded to me that he called his 5 times and she said he never calls.That sounds like a man wanting an alibi.Also seems to me the cops only looked at one person for this and its the reason they should be fired.This story made the police look real bad to the rest of the county

Well, he was Christmas shopping. Maybe he was calling to get her to tell him where to go and what to buy and what color and what size etc. Oh. And to find out where stuff was on sale.

Also, keep in mind that we heard Carol mention that he had called, but we didn't hear the question or whatever it was that she was responding to.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wondered if all that obscure testimony about Nona's computer downloading pictures was an attempt to "prove" Nona was alive and using her computer later than the prosecutor's theorized time of death.

Could be. Does anyone remember what time that was? Maybe someone who knew Nona's login for IM or YM (or whatever) was signing her in while they used the computer for something else.

[The R]

Summary of the ME's (Kokes') testimony:

Dr. Charles Kokes
Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Charles Kokes took the stand after lunch. He testified that based on the degree of rigor mortis (stiffening of the limbs and joints after death) and the location and level of lividity in Dirksmeyer’s body at the time she was found, he estimated her death occurred sometime between 10:30 a.m. (the last time she spoke to someone) and 1 p.m. Dec. 15, 2005.
Lividity is caused when blood, pulled by gravity, pools in the lowest points of the body, and can help determine what position a body is left in after death, he said.
“At the time of death, she was left in a face-down position with her arms folded at the elbow” and her hands drawn up toward her shoulders, he said.
Fifth Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons showed Kokes a portion of Jones’ videotaped interview with police on the night of Dirksmeyer’s death. In the tape, Jones told police he found Dirksmeyer lying face up with her arms extended down and hands folded over her abdomen.
Kokes testified that based on the evidence, it would not be possible for Dirksmeyer to have been in the position Jones described at the time the body was found.
He said Dirksmeyer’s body was left in that position for a period of 6-12 hours after death before the body was turned over. He explained that if the body had been moved within six hours, the blood would have pooled on her back and there would have been no evidence of lividity on her arms or her front inner thighs. If the body were moved after 12 hours in the same position, lividity would be fixed, and the blood would not pool elsewhere, he said.
Kokes described Dirks-meyer’s injuries in detail with the aid of graphic autopsy photos. He said the bruising on her forehead was consistent with being struck by a hand, but he could not determine whether it was an open hand or fist.
Referring to those injuries, Gibbons played another portion of Jones’ videotaped statement where Jones, left alone in the room, begins to hit the back of his chair with the heel of his hand for several seconds.
“Was what you saw there enough force to cause those injuries?” Gibbons asked.
“Yes,” Kokes said.
The right side of Dirksmeyer’s hyoid bone (a u-shaped bone that sits above the voice box), coupled with bruising and laceration on the inside of her lips and petechial hemorrhaging in her lower eyelids were consistent with an attempt at strangulation and suffocation, possibly by holding a hand over her mouth and nose and the use of “compressive force” on her neck, Kokes said.
A total of 17 cuts, including four superficial stab wounds, were found on the right side of Dirksmeyer’s upper neck and the back of her shoulder, as well as two other cuts on the front of her neck, he said.
He told the jury the cuts were not deep enough to damage any vital tissue in the neck, and were probably administered from behind by someone wielding a knife in their right hand.
Kokes testified that based on the concentration and the location of blood at the scene, the cuts were probably made while Dirksmeyer was laying face-down on the living room carpet with her hands underneath her.
“She was still able to make some attempt to try and defend herself” by hitching up her right shoulder to shield her neck, Kokes said.
He said the silver floor lamp already entered into evidence was most likely the weapon that caused her fatal head injury.
“Swinging it like a stick or a sledgehammer will get enough leverage to cause the force required,” to cause the depressed skull fracture that killed Dirksmeyer, Kokes said. He described the amount of force needed to cause an injury of that severity to the lower back of the skull — the thickest, most resilient part of the head — “tremendous.”
Kokes also told the jury he found no evidence of forcible rape.
During cross-examination, defense attorney Kenneth Johnson asked about blood transfer from Dirksmeyer to her killer during the attack.
“There would be blood on the individual’s hands,” Kokes said.
“How convenient,” Johnson said.
After an objection by the prosecution, Special Judge John Patterson told Johnson to refrain from making extraneous comments.
The state contends Jones placed a bloody palm print on the light bulb of the alleged murder weapon at the time of the killing.
Kokes explained that blood would be transferred to the killer’s hand during the attempts to cut Dirksmeyer’s throat.
Johnson also attacked Kokes’ time period for when the killing occurred, asking Kokes why the approximate time of death was not in Kokes’ notes.
Kokes responded he later formed an opinion about time of death based on information he received from police, namely the last time it was verified Dirksmeyer was alive.
Johnson asked him what would happen if new evidence were found to prove Dirksmeyer was alive at a later time on the day of her death.
“Then we would have to adjust the timeline,” Kokes said.

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15392&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

Nona archives:

http://couriernews.com/archivesearch.php

You will also find information about the alleged rape using this link.

or here is another theory maybe just maybe the creepy DD did it.Why havent the cops cleard him 100%?

Not to butt in here too much but if you will read the first link Loretta provided above it gives a good possible explanation as to why Nona's cell phone didn't contain any saved outbound messages. After reading the report on the courtroom testimony I'm a bit surprised that Dateline didn't provide this info when they implied something hinky about the cell phone and it being given to DD, in order to balance out the report some. It seems that either they didn't check into all the possibilities on the phone or maybe wanted to create some sensationalism? Either way Dateline was irresponsible IMO for not providing all the info on the phone.

ALLMO,
R

[katytigers]

I asked Chief Bacon if we could release the phone to the family, and he said he didn’t have a problem with it, but to check with Mr. Gibbons,” Frost said. “I tried to reach him, but he was in trial, so I made the decision to give [Dipert] the phone.


The chief should have been fired for this!sounds like barney asking andy LOL

[upallnight]

I wondered if all that obscure testimony about Nona's computer downloading pictures was an attempt to "prove" Nona was alive and using her computer later than the prosecutor's theorized time of death.

Not sure, but I think the computer thing was looked at as to try to see if they could tie what ever was looked at on her computer into part of the motive against the person who killed Nona. But then again KJ's attorney's sure like to twist things up as to cause confusion to the best of their ability. Thinking about, it could be something they very well looked at but did not pan out.

[upallnight]

Well, he was Christmas shopping. Maybe he was calling to get her to tell him where to go and what to buy and what color and what size etc. Oh. And to find out where stuff was on sale.

Also, keep in mind that we heard Carol mention that he had called, but we didn't hear the question or whatever it was that she was responding to.

I would love to hear what was said to Carol also, editing-such a powerful weapon, can change things in big ways.

[upallnight]

Could be. Does anyone remember what time that was? Maybe someone who knew Nona's login for IM or YM (or whatever) was signing her in while they used the computer for something else.

I am pretty sure it was around 11:15 am. I will have to google!

[upallnight]

From the web site: http://www.todaysthv.com/ nothing really new, but guess since the dateline show, it's in the news again.
Special Prosecutor Re-Interviewing Witnesses In Murder Case
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A special prosecutor in the investigation of the death of Arkansas Tech University student Nona Dirksmeyer says he is questioning everyone all over again since she was killed more than two years ago and her boyfriend was acquitted.

Jack McQuary of Little Rock says investigators are hoping someone remembers something overlooked the first time around. McQuary would not say whether authorities have any new suspects, but says they are examining the case with a "fresh eye" and looking at everybody.

The 19-year-old Arkansas Tech student was found dead in her Russellville apartment in December 2005. Her boyfriend Kevin Jones was charged in her death and acquitted last year. A judge has ordered records sealed while the special prosecutor investigates.


(Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Lindsey Clark (laclark@kthv.gannett.com), Online Producer
Created: 5/3/2008 3:54:20 PM
Updated: 5/3/2008 3:54:34 PM

[Amy]

Your memory is so much better than mine! (Left-handed compliment unintended.) My Sainted Mother used to say that there is no need to clutter your mind with things that can be researched/looked up. (And that was before the internet.)

To back up a little; I do think it's possible that KJ had an accomplice in staging the scene.

Do you mean before the discovery or what I see as staging after the discovery with deliberate contamination?

[Amy]

or here is another theory maybe just maybe the creepy DD did it.Why havent the cops cleard him 100%?


They haven't cleared him 100%? IIRC, all that RPD investigated were cleared except KJ.

[Amy]

Well, he was Christmas shopping. Maybe he was calling to get her to tell him where to go and what to buy and what color and what size etc. Oh. And to find out where stuff was on sale.

Also, keep in mind that we heard Carol mention that he had called, but we didn't hear the question or whatever it was that she was responding to.

That was kind of what bothered me about that. To what was she responding? What else did she say that related to his calls? Maybe just what you said, asking about the purchases,etc.

[Amy]

Not to butt in here too much but if you will read the first link Loretta provided above it gives a good possible explanation as to why Nona's cell phone didn't contain any saved outbound messages. After reading the report on the courtroom testimony I'm a bit surprised that Dateline didn't provide this info when they implied something hinky about the cell phone and it being given to DD, in order to balance out the report some. It seems that either they didn't check into all the possibilities on the phone or maybe wanted to create some sensationalism? Either way Dateline was irresponsible IMO for not providing all the info on the phone.

ALLMO,
R

As I watched that, it did seem they were trying to intimate that DD just took the phone and erased all that was on there, you kind of get the impression @ first that LE didn't ever have the phone and give it to (I forget who it was) to have all the stuff downloaded. By the time they got around to a wee little comment about that, if I hadn't been WAITING for them to say something about it, I probably wouldn't have heard it. IMO

[upallnight]

That was kind of what bothered me about that. To what was she responding? What else did she say that related to his calls? Maybe just what you said, asking about the purchases,etc.

Carol was at work at the hospital, maybe DD tried to call her cell phone but Carol was tied up at work away from her phone. Not sure if he reached her via hospital phone or cell phone. I do know he went to the hospital and told Carol there Nona was dead because she asked him, "is she dead?" Carol said that as soon as she got off the elevator that is the first thing she asked him. All those calls could be DD simply trying to contact Carol about Nona but Dateline sure did not show it that way.

[katytigers]

can someone post the link to the webpage where kevin posted?

[FDInLaw]

can someone post the link to the webpage where kevin posted?That thread was shut down IIRC. . . I may have the post saved somewhere. . . will do some digging here in a bit.

[lorettalockhorn]

This is what was posted by Huff:

I am Nona’s boyfriend for about 5 years now and I, along with 2 other people, found Nona when this tragedy happened. I can’t say much about the investigation because we have not been told much about the investigation due to its nature. I can tell you, however, that the report released today about possible strangulation was a misquote from the Pope County Coroner. Just remember that nothing is official until the police release a formal statement, for they are always the first to know any information. Everyone who is close to her appreciates all the prayers that are being made for her and us. It is our one wish that if one of you are approached by the media to simply say you have no comment. Anything said no matter how small could be detrimental to the case and nobody wants that. I would like to thank all of you who supported and who still do support Nona. Please continue to pray for us and her, even though we all know that she is in a much better place than we are.


We're not supposed to link blogs, but since the original has been deleted, maybe the mods will let this stand:

http://reader.feedshow.com/show_items-feed=f2af8bc9f0c346824cb4ae5e089b6afb

[FDInLaw]

This is what was posted by Huff:

I am Nona’s boyfriend for about 5 years now and I, along with 2 other people, found Nona when this tragedy happened. I can’t say much about the investigation because we have not been told much about the investigation due to its nature. I can tell you, however, that the report released today about possible strangulation was a misquote from the Pope County Coroner. Just remember that nothing is official until the police release a formal statement, for they are always the first to know any information. Everyone who is close to her appreciates all the prayers that are being made for her and us. It is our one wish that if one of you are approached by the media to simply say you have no comment. Anything said no matter how small could be detrimental to the case and nobody wants that. I would like to thank all of you who supported and who still do support Nona. Please continue to pray for us and her, even though we all know that she is in a much better place than we are.


We're not supposed to link blogs, but since the original has been deleted, maybe the mods will let this stand:

http://reader.feedshow.com/show_items-feed=f2af8bc9f0c346824cb4ae5e089b6afbThank you for finding and posting Kevin's statement. (It's a crazy house here today lol!) :seeya:

Here is a link for the website it was originally on:

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general

[SaraSidle]

Thank you for finding and posting Kevin's statement. (It's a crazy house here today lol!) :seeya:

Here is a link for the website it was originally on:

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general

FDI and Loretta you are both so good!!!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you for finding and posting Kevin's statement. (It's a crazy house here today lol!) :seeya:

Here is a link for the website it was originally on:

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general

:seeya: Nuttin wrong with a crazy house!

[Amy]

Carol was at work at the hospital, maybe DD tried to call her cell phone but Carol was tied up at work away from her phone. Not sure if he reached her via hospital phone or cell phone. I do know he went to the hospital and told Carol there Nona was dead because she asked him, "is she dead?" Carol said that as soon as she got off the elevator that is the first thing she asked him. All those calls could be DD simply trying to contact Carol about Nona but Dateline sure did not show it that way.

Exactly the point I was trying to make, and I think Loretta, too. When one watches the dateline show, one would think, from the isolated comment they aired of Carol saying that DD never called her that much, one would get the impression (because it was tied to the, he was shopping, had receipts, etc) that suspicion should have been cast on DD as it looked like he was trying to make calls to her all day to show that he was shopping and could not have been the murderer. But, it seems that the calls to Carol were actually trying to reach her to tell her about Nona. The dateline program doesn't address this @ all.

Thanks for the info, by the way, about the calls.

[The R]

Thanks L and way to put it out there for R, I was just going on memory. R, L does it right! :beer:


Evidently that IS the case! :D

R

[One2Snoop]

snip
We're not supposed to link blogs, but since the original has been deleted, maybe the mods will let this stand:


:seeya: We no longer have that rule here. :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

:seeya: We no longer have that rule here. :biggrin:

LMAO I looked for the TOS the other day to throw in someone's face and couldn't find them. :hat:

[SaraSidle]

LMAO I looked for the TOS the other day to throw in someone's face and couldn't find them. :hat:

what is a TOS

[One2Snoop]

what is a TOS

Terms of Service - in other words Rules.

[SaraSidle]

Terms of Service - in other words Rules.

Thanks again One2Snoop. I will get this sooner or later.

[Evening2]

Thanks again One2Snoop. I will get this sooner or later.

Don't worry about it Sara, later works for us! :no: :biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

Don't worry about it Sara, later works for us! :no: :biggrin:

hahaha thanks Evening. you are using both of which we are not to use. I know you know this

[usfbulls08]

I'm new to this whole discussion, but I have read a lot of the posts. First of all, I'm a pre med student, and just because KJ was hitting the back of his chair, it may be a nervous thing. From what I heard, she was punched hard enough to BRUISE HER BRAIN TISSUE! Now, your skull is thicker and made to withstand more abuse than any other bone in your body.

Which means, someone had some adrenaline pumping to allow them to punch her so hard (which, I've read some stuff in here about a woman killing her, but trust me, this would be an incredible feat for a woman, no matter how strong she was.) So, I doubt it was premeditated. I don't know that that's ever been debated, but I do know KJ was charged with 1st degree, which I could be wrong, but I thought was always pre meditated murder.

Also, I said in the Dateline board that I thought KJ may have gone by earlier when she didn't pick up phone calls, found her dead, then brought his friend and mom with him later to make him look less suspicious. Because, he said he watched CSI, so maybe he knew the person that finds them usually is the major suspect. Also, he may have left fingerprints earlier, and thus contaminated the crime scene, so he touched everything again to once again cover for him being there earlier.

I have a very concerned boyfriend, as well. He said that he and Nona had patterns as far as contacting each other. If you've been with someone a long time, and are close, you get a kind of 6th sense if they're in trouble. My b/f checks on me all the time if he can't reach me for a long while, so I do not think that's strange.

Also, in his transcripts, he said he had Ryan check on her, because he was in the area delivering pizzas. What I do not get, is there are only 3 keys: Nona's, Kevin's, and momma's.

So, that leaves either momma or DD or kevin. Since the front and back door was locked, my assumption is that the killer left through the front door, meaning they had to have a key to come in and kill her. I didn't hear anything about Nona's key missing (in the case that the killer would just leave and use her key to lock the door.) Like, a lover from school she brought home with her who was a jealous man and killed her. Everyone's concerned about the greeting card, but it may have been from KJ himself for all we know.

Also, if they had been in a 5 year relationship, and he'd never hit her, I doubt he'd kill her. Men who kill their spouses usually show verbal or physical abuse prior to the incident. I also don't think it's strange for him to post on a website about her the night of the funeral. If you were at your sig. other's funeral, and everyone thought you killed them, would't you be thinking all the time about ways to publicly show your support for their family, etc.?

Also, I would like to see how many of us would be suspects if people we loved went missing tomorrow. How many times we don't answer a phone, skip work, skip class, are running late going where we say we'll be, with no one to verify that for us. I'm sure anyone, if anyone, who lied for KJ was doing so to try and help him b/c they believed his innocence, and it's unfortunate people couldn't vouch. But people read much too much into his actions.

IMO, he's not the murderer. He was dating other people, she was dating other people, he didn't have a violent history (he wasn't a bully, no arrests for fighting, etc.) The motive just wasn't there.

[lorettalockhorn]

If you think people read too much into Kevin's behavior; the guy with motive, opportunity and literally blood on his hands, you should be flabbergasted by what is said about DD.

[JustCallMeNora]

But, with the terrible investigation the RPD did, why should we assume any of the original suspects were adequately cleared? Just because DD handed over some store receipts doesn't clear him. I doubt the RPD followed through actually checking any of it. As dumb as they were about the whole investigation, the RPD just probably considered him cleared when DD handed over the receipts.

[upallnight]

But, with the terrible investigation the RPD did, why should we assume any of the original suspects were adequately cleared? Just because DD handed over some store receipts doesn't clear him. I doubt the RPD followed through actually checking any of it. As dumb as they were about the whole investigation, the RPD just probably considered him cleared when DD handed over the receipts.

Guess that and maybe more is all what the new investigation will look at. But then again maybe they where adequately cleared. Maybe they did follow through. As dumb as some think they where about the WHOLE investigation, they was good enough to id kevins print in Nona's blood. To date as far as I know, no one else's print has been found in Nona's blood. Nor has any information been released that this new viable suspect has a name, I mean viable suspect KJ's attorney's spoke of. Don't think I have heard it from the other side. Wonder what is taking so long for KJ's attorney's to help in proving this new suspect can be placed at the scene of the murder....etc...... As far as I know, it was only KJ's side of the story as to his and Nona's relationship, I mean first hand from him. There are two sides to every story. I wonder if Nona's would have been the same as KJ stated, we will never know. Why should we assume the original suspected where cleared? I don't assume things like that, I go by what the investigation/evidence shows, shows clearly. Maybe this new investigation will show things clearly, truthfully. It's a good thing they are doing it. Could be a bad thing for the person who killed Nona, I sure hope so!

[lorettalockhorn]

But, with the terrible investigation the RPD did, why should we assume any of the original suspects were adequately cleared? Just because DD handed over some store receipts doesn't clear him. I doubt the RPD followed through actually checking any of it. As dumb as they were about the whole investigation, the RPD just probably considered him cleared when DD handed over the receipts.

I think that's a legitimate question. And I think it's also one reason why the arrest took so long; Gibbons probably wanted to be as certain as he could be before he went forth to ask for an indictment.

As sloppy as the investigation was, I think they had the right guy in the end.

[TJEddie]

For those curious about LE's investigation of Duane Dipert, Duane himself describes it here:

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15766&Search=Dipert

[FDInLaw]

For those curious about LE's investigation of Duane Dipert, Duane himself describes it here:

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15766&Search=Dipert
Since Dirksmeyer’s death, DIPERT has been mentioned in community discussion as a suspect, in part because of what happened to Dirksmeyer’s cell phone. He said he was the one to approach police about his whereabouts on the day of Dirksmeyer’s murder.
“One day, I asked Frost why I hadn’t been questioned as a suspect,” he said. “ I mean, I’m retired. I have free time during the day, and I had access to Nona’s apartment.”
DIPERT said Frost told him, “Through the course of the investigation, we talked to people and we didn’t consider you to be a suspect.”
“I told him I was Christmas shopping all that day, and that I had receipts with times on them,” DIPERT said. He asked Frost if the police wanted to see them, and Frost said yes.
DIPERT then provided Frost with the receipts, which included the purchase of a birthday card for Dirksmeyer, who died 11 days before her 20th birthday.
“I was never really considered a serious suspect by the police, especially after I gave them the receipts,” he said.
He dismissed rumors that he and Dirksmyer had “disputes,” and described his relationship with Dirksmeyer as “distant but cordial.”
“I didn’t know Nona that well,” he said. “I had raised three kids of my own, and it was Carol’s job to raise Nona. I was in the background, and if I was asked to do things, like escort her at Miss Arkansas, I would.”
He recalled helping paint Carol’s house in Dover before they got married.
“I made a sarcastic comment about the job Carol did painting the bathroom,” he said. “Nona said, ‘My mom’s a good painter.’”
“That’s the meanest thing she’d ever said to me,” he said with a laugh. (See link for complete article)

[upallnight]

I'm new to this whole discussion, but I have read a lot of the posts. First of all, I'm a pre med student, and just because KJ was hitting the back of his chair, it may be a nervous thing. From what I heard, she was punched hard enough to BRUISE HER BRAIN TISSUE! Now, your skull is thicker and made to withstand more abuse than any other bone in your body.

Which means, someone had some adrenaline pumping to allow them to punch her so hard (which, I've read some stuff in here about a woman killing her, but trust me, this would be an incredible feat for a woman, no matter how strong she was.) So, I doubt it was premeditated. I don't know that that's ever been debated, but I do know KJ was charged with 1st degree, which I could be wrong, but I thought was always pre meditated murder.



Also, I said in the Dateline board that I thought KJ may have gone by earlier when she didn't pick up phone calls, found her dead, then brought his friend and mom with him later to make him look less suspicious. Because, he said he watched CSI, so maybe he knew the person that finds them usually is the major suspect. Also, he may have left fingerprints earlier, and thus contaminated the crime scene, so he touched everything again to once again cover for him being there earlier.

I have a very concerned boyfriend, as well. He said that he and Nona had patterns as far as contacting each other. If you've been with someone a long time, and are close, you get a kind of 6th sense if they're in trouble. My b/f checks on me all the time if he can't reach me for a long while, so I do not think that's strange.

Also, in his transcripts, he said he had Ryan check on her, because he was in the area delivering pizzas. What I do not get, is there are only 3 keys: Nona's, Kevin's, and momma's.

So, that leaves either momma or DD or kevin. Since the front and back door was locked, my assumption is that the killer left through the front door, meaning they had to have a key to come in and kill her. I didn't hear anything about Nona's key missing (in the case that the killer would just leave and use her key to lock the door.) Like, a lover from school she brought home with her who was a jealous man and killed her. Everyone's concerned about the greeting card, but it may have been from KJ himself for all we know.

Also, if they had been in a 5 year relationship, and he'd never hit her, I doubt he'd kill her. Men who kill their spouses usually show verbal or physical abuse prior to the incident. I also don't think it's strange for him to post on a website about her the night of the funeral. If you were at your sig. other's funeral, and everyone thought you killed them, would't you be thinking all the time about ways to publicly show your support for their family, etc.?

Also, I would like to see how many of us would be suspects if people we loved went missing tomorrow. How many times we don't answer a phone, skip work, skip class, are running late going where we say we'll be, with no one to verify that for us. I'm sure anyone, if anyone, who lied for KJ was doing so to try and help him b/c they believed his innocence, and it's unfortunate people couldn't vouch. But people read much too much into his actions.

IMO, he's not the murderer. He was dating other people, she was dating other people, he didn't have a violent history (he wasn't a bully, no arrests for fighting, etc.) The motive just wasn't there.

Did you miss the part on 48 hours where KJ stated that the relationship was exclusive between him and Nona? There is so much more to this. If someone did lie for him because they believe in his innocence, that is wrong. It is not to be excused. IMO actions speak louder than words. Just because you believe in someones innocence does not give mean you should lie for them, Especially under oath. This was a murder trial, the truth is what was taken under oath to tell, it is that simple. Hopefully if anyone did lie, that will come out also. Time will tell. KJ's own Mom stated he was a kinder, gentler person around Nona. That could be taken different ways. We are all on the outside looking in, but if someone who believed he was innocent, but lets just say-knew of violent things he had done, maybe they would lie about that to. What goes on behind many closed doors stays behind those closed doors. Not saying this is the case, but you just never know.

[The R]

But, with the terrible investigation the RPD did, why should we assume any of the original suspects were adequately cleared? Just because DD handed over some store receipts doesn't clear him. I doubt the RPD followed through actually checking any of it. As dumb as they were about the whole investigation, the RPD just probably considered him cleared when DD handed over the receipts.

What's so hard to understand about a dated, timed receipt clearing a suspect? From what I've seen the alibi provided is much better than some others.

ALLMO,
R

[The R]

sorry if this has been reviewed before but wanted to ask the vets here a question.

The ME stated Nona died face down. KJ states he found her face up. What's the reason for the inconsistency? Is there a possibility the scene was revisited between the time of death and the time the call went into 911?

TIA,
R

[The R]

One or two more questions and I promise to leave everyone alone! :)

had Nona's goals changed shortly before her death? Did she share any info about her singing plans or had they changed?

Thanks!
R

[christina]

The crime scene photos on Dateline showed a bloody candle in a jar laying on its side. Was that processed? I do not remember if that was discussed as what could have been used to cause any of the blows.

[iluvmua]

I remember reading somewhere that a card was found close to Nona's body. Was it a Christmas card or a Birthday card?

Nona's Stepfather stated that he had bought her a Birthday card.

If it was a Birthday Card then it could have come from anyone.

[FDInLaw]

I remember reading somewhere that a card was found close to Nona's body. Was it a Christmas card or a Birthday card?

Nona's Stepfather stated that he had bought her a Birthday card.

If it was a Birthday Card then it could have come from anyone.The card was from Carol and it was several months old (if not longer). I don't remember the occasion.

[TJEddie]

The crime scene photos on Dateline showed a bloody candle in a jar laying on its side. Was that processed? I do not remember if that was discussed as what could have been used to cause any of the blows.

Former Russellville Police Chief James Bacon testified about several latent fingerprints he collected from items seized at the crime scene. He said no usable prints were collected from blood smears observed on a CANDLE and a set of vertical blinds.

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15414&Search=candle

My personal opinion is that the candle might have been used to make the blows to Nona's face. However, I don't recall that ever being proposed or discussed as an official theory. Perhaps the candle is one of the pieces of evidence being re-examined or re-analyzed by the new investigation team.

[JustCallMeNora]

Does anyone think that Carol is sedated and that is why she doesn't show much emotion? She reminds me of a well controlled puppet, and DD seems like a control freak. :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

Does anyone think that Carol is sedated and that is why she doesn't show much emotion? She reminds me of a well controlled puppet, and DD seems like a control freak. :shrug:Are you kidding? Where are you going to draw the line??? :cool: Like most in her situation, I'm sure she was "medicated" to a certain degree right after the murder. Who is gonna judge her for that? It's not a crime to take sleeping pills. Would you be able to sleep? BTW Carol works 12 hour shifts at a hospital. Must be hard for her to do her job while "heavily medicated." :rolleyes:

Since Hawg has neglected to bring it up again. . . we are still waiting for a link for Kevin's prayer/confession. . . or would you like to tell us the truth??? You are local to the case aren't you? We're not just going to forget about this. Your integrity is in question here. :(

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone think that Carol is sedated and that is why she doesn't show much emotion? She reminds me of a well controlled puppet, and DD seems like a control freak. :shrug:

Does anyone think that JustCallMeNora is a sockpuppet? She reminds me

oh never mind.

[SaraSidle]

Are you kidding? Where are you going to draw the line??? :cool: Like most in her situation, I'm sure she was "medicated" to a certain degree right after the murder. Who is gonna judge her for that? It's not a crime to take sleeping pills. Would you be able to sleep? BTW Carol works 12 hour shifts at a hospital. Must be hard for her to do her job while "heavily medicated." :rolleyes:

Since Hawg has neglected to bring it up again. . . we are still waiting for a link for Kevin's prayer/confession. . . or would you like to tell us the truth??? You are local to the case aren't you? We're not just going to forget about this. Your integrity is in question here. :(

Well that certainly makes sense if she works at a hospital. When I worked at U of M I could get meds for whatever I needed. I am sure her coworkers and friends helped her with tranqs or sleeping pills to help her through her grief.

[JustCallMeNora]

Are you kidding? Where are you going to draw the line??? :cool: Like most in her situation, I'm sure she was "medicated" to a certain degree right after the murder. Who is gonna judge her for that? It's not a crime to take sleeping pills. Would you be able to sleep? BTW Carol works 12 hour shifts at a hospital. Must be hard for her to do her job while "heavily medicated." :rolleyes:

Since Hawg has neglected to bring it up again. . . we are still waiting for a link for Kevin's prayer/confession. . . or would you like to tell us the truth??? You are local to the case aren't you? We're not just going to forget about this. Your integrity is in question here. :(

There is a difference between sedatives and sleeping pills. People work under the influence all the time.

[JustCallMeNora]

Well that certainly makes sense if she works at a hospital. When I worked at U of M I could get meds for whatever I needed. I am sure her coworkers and friends helped her with tranqs or sleeping pills to help her through her grief.


Hospitals are extremely easy places to get drugs.

[lorettalockhorn]

There is a difference between sedatives and sleeping pills. People work under the influence all the time.

And apparently post under the influence as well.

[JustCallMeNora]

Are you kidding? Where are you going to draw the line??? :cool: Like most in her situation, I'm sure she was "medicated" to a certain degree right after the murder. Who is gonna judge her for that? It's not a crime to take sleeping pills. Would you be able to sleep? BTW Carol works 12 hour shifts at a hospital. Must be hard for her to do her job while "heavily medicated." :rolleyes:

Since Hawg has neglected to bring it up again. . . we are still waiting for a link for Kevin's prayer/confession. . . or would you like to tell us the truth??? You are local to the case aren't you? We're not just going to forget about this. Your integrity is in question here. :(

Would you rather have people think she is sedated justly so or have people think she is some sort of "weird stepford wife whos smiles too much" like they do over on the Dateline blog?

I told you where I am from. Whether you believe it or not makes no never mind to me. And, I already told you to find the link yourselves.

[lorettalockhorn]

Would you rather have people think she is sedated justly so or have people think she is some sort of "weird stepford wife whos smiles too much" like they do over on the Dateline blog?

I told you where I am from. Whether you believe it or not makes no never mind to me. And, I already told you to find the link yourselves.

The Dateline blog might be just the place for you. And it is obvious that you don't have a link. Never had a link. And that a link doesn't exist.

But feel free to prove me wrong. I do love me some crow.

[FDInLaw]

Speculate all you want. I don't see the questioning as innocent. I am completely cognizant of your agenda.

[JustCallMeNora]

And apparently post under the influence as well.

You are right. People seem to "post under the influence" on here all the time. Explains a lot.

[FDInLaw]

Would you rather have people think she is sedated justly so or have people think she is some sort of "weird stepford wife whos smiles too much" like they do over on the Dateline blog?

I told you where I am from. Whether you believe it or not makes no never mind to me. And, I already told you to find the link yourselves.There is no link. . . that is the point. You were lying, you were caught. So, what gives? Why did you do it?

[JustCallMeNora]

Speculate all you want. I don't see the questioning as innocent. I am completely cognizant of your agenda.

Excuse me? Please enlighten me. What exactly IS my agenda? I wasn't aware I had one....

[FDInLaw]

Excuse me? Please enlighten me. What exactly IS my agenda? I wasn't aware I had one....
Well, there's the lying. . . :rolleyes:

You tell us! :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

Where did Nora go????? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Where did Nora go????? :shrug:

I think there was an emergency meeting of the Kamp Kevin Kontingency.

[JustCallMeNora]

Where did Nora go????? :shrug:

Still here... Just waiting for some worthy conversation instead of paranoia and oversensitivity....

[FDInLaw]

Still here... Just waiting for some worthy conversation instead of paranoia and oversensitivity....Welcome back SusieQ.

[upallnight]

Does anyone think that Carol is sedated and that is why she doesn't show much emotion? She reminds me of a well controlled puppet, and DD seems like a control freak. :shrug:

My sister is a nurse, so is Carol. Watching as my sister worked in the nursing field was amazing. She seems to have learned to control her emotion's during the difficult times at work. She also has grown to smile alot more. Her smile seems to comfort people who are in the hospital. I have found a smiling nurse comforts me also. Almost like they enjoy their job maybe a little more. I have been cared for by a few grouchy nurses. They never seemed to smile. The non smiling robot type, ummmmm....was more like-do this-do that-done****go home. Don't know, maybe a good bed side manner is the way to go IMO. But there are very good medical professionals that IMO has no bed side manner but they are very good at what they do. Being the age I am, I am pretty much set in my ways. That is not a bad thing. I control that. I don't think DD controls Carol, nor do I think DD is a control freak. Seems to me they have a good relationship and it works for them. What made you think that? A far a Carol being Sedated, whatever-but if she was at any point, I sure don't blame her. People have been sedated for a lot less than she has gone through. That smile is pretty much a part of Carol, even before Nona was killed. I saw that woman have to look at her dead daughter on a TV screen in court and much more. Her smile was in the court room also. The pain of it all was still in her face. As they showed her dead daughter covered in blood, laying on that floor on the court tv-she starts to rock back & forth as she looks down to try to avoid the pain having to see her daughter like that. Part of her natural smile was still on her face, the pain, the heartache, the trauma of it all was also there on her face. The trial continues with words hard to hear, more pictures hard to see. Carol quietly, silently gets up to leave the horror of what is being shown, it was more than she could bear. A friend follows to comfort her. As far as emotion, I am sure she has had her share of trying to control it even though I am sure she was/is an emotional wreck at times. I don't think Carol or DD saw anything going on as about them. Seems their fight is for Justice For Nona. There once was a man that beat his whole family, tried to kill them several times. The mom would take them to the corn field to hide. The dad was drunk and would get his machete swinging to cut down the corn stalks to try and find them. The whole time saying he was going to kill them all. The dad again drunk & mad was going to hit his wife in her parents house. He was mad because she was there to try to stop the abuse of what they was going through in their home. Her 70 year old father stood up between the two trying to prevent his daughter from being hit. This 70 year old man was then hit and knocked off his feet to the ground. He got up quickly, stood between them again and prayed as he was being hit. He prevented the abuse of his daughter and children but was beat until the police arrived. He was not the type of man to physically harm anyone but he was to frail at this point to fight. He knew he could not physically over take him, so he took the abuse to save the others from the abuse. I never saw that man show any emotion, he protected them though. He turned to prayer, he also smiled as he got up-a faint smile, but a smile. The look on the abusers face as his Father In Law got back up & did what he had to do to protect his daughter and her children was something I can not explain. Seemed to be the beginning of the end of his abuse towards that family. I admire that man for all he did.

[lorettalockhorn]

Still here... Just waiting for some worthy conversation instead of paranoia and oversensitivity....

Oh hell yeah. It's a clear case of paranoia and oversensitivity to speak up for the closest living relative of the victim.

BTW Could you go into more detail explaining the difference between sleeping pills and sedatives? (Assuming you have some sort of background in that area.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Drat. The pharmacology expert left us again.

[FDInLaw]

Drat. The pharmacology expert left us again.
Thank you! I needed a good chuckle! :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you! I needed a good chuckle! :biggrin:

Well, I really did want to hear that explanation. Because I thought that sleeping pills are sedatives. I wondered if she meant the difference between sedatives and tranquilizers. You may remember her explanation on the ABCs of first aid way back when. It was a hoot.

[SaraSidle]

Thank you! I needed a good chuckle! :biggrin:

Dang I wanted to hear what she thought was the difference.

[JustCallMeNora]

Welcome back SusieQ.

???What??? Oh my but you really are paranoid.... I've read all those postings..... tsk tsk everyone who disagrees is a Susie Q..... hmmm....

[JustCallMeNora]

My sister is a nurse, so is Carol. Watching as my sister worked in the nursing field was amazing. She seems to have learned to control her emotion's during the difficult times at work. She also has grown to smile alot more. Her smile seems to comfort people who are in the hospital. I have found a smiling nurse comforts me also. Almost like they enjoy their job maybe a little more. I have been cared for by a few grouchy nurses. They never seemed to smile. The non smiling robot type, ummmmm....was more like-do this-do that-done****go home. Don't know, maybe a good bed side manner is the way to go IMO. But there are very good medical professionals that IMO has no bed side manner but they are very good at what they do. Being the age I am, I am pretty much set in my ways. That is not a bad thing. I control that. I don't think DD controls Carol, nor do I think DD is a control freak. Seems to me they have a good relationship and it works for them. What made you think that? A far a Carol being Sedated, whatever-but if she was at any point, I sure don't blame her. People have been sedated for a lot less than she has gone through. That smile is pretty much a part of Carol, even before Nona was killed. I saw that woman have to look at her dead daughter on a TV screen in court and much more. Her smile was in the court room also. The pain of it all was still in her face. As they showed her dead daughter covered in blood, laying on that floor on the court tv-she starts to rock back & forth as she looks down to try to avoid the pain having to see her daughter like that. Part of her natural smile was still on her face, the pain, the heartache, the trauma of it all was also there on her face. The trial continues with words hard to hear, more pictures hard to see. Carol quietly, silently gets up to leave the horror of what is being shown, it was more than she could bear. A friend follows to comfort her. As far as emotion, I am sure she has had her share of trying to control it even though I am sure she was/is an emotional wreck at times. I don't think Carol or DD saw anything going on as about them. Seems their fight is for Justice For Nona. There once was a man that beat his whole family, tried to kill them several times. The mom would take them to the corn field to hide. The dad was drunk and would get his machete swinging to cut down the corn stalks to try and find them. The whole time saying he was going to kill them all. The dad again drunk & mad was going to hit his wife in her parents house. He was mad because she was there to try to stop the abuse of what they was going through in their home. Her 70 year old father stood up between the two trying to prevent his daughter from being hit. This 70 year old man was then hit and knocked off his feet to the ground. He got up quickly, stood between them again and prayed as he was being hit. He prevented the abuse of his daughter and children but was beat until the police arrived. He was not the type of man to physically harm anyone but he was to frail at this point to fight. He knew he could not physically over take him, so he took the abuse to save the others from the abuse. I never saw that man show any emotion, he protected them though. He turned to prayer, he also smiled as he got up-a faint smile, but a smile. The look on the abusers face as his Father In Law got back up & did what he had to do to protect his daughter and her children was something I can not explain. Seemed to be the beginning of the end of his abuse towards that family. I admire that man for all he did.

Hey if Carol is medicated, I am not saying that is a bad thing. I'd think it normal, especially through all the things you have listed here.

[FDInLaw]

???What??? Oh my but you really are paranoid.... I've read all those postings..... tsk tsk everyone who disagrees is a Susie Q..... hmmm....
Games up.

[JustCallMeNora]

Oh hell yeah. It's a clear case of paranoia and oversensitivity to speak up for the closest living relative of the victim.

BTW Could you go into more detail explaining the difference between sleeping pills and sedatives? (Assuming you have some sort of background in that area.)

Your first statement doesn't make sense.

No background or expertise. Just common knowledge...

[JustCallMeNora]

Games up.

yes it is.

[JustCallMeNora]

Well, I really did want to hear that explanation. Because I thought that sleeping pills are sedatives. I wondered if she meant the difference between sedatives and tranquilizers. You may remember her explanation on the ABCs of first aid way back when. It was a hoot.

FYI A sleeping pill is a "hypnotic" And there is a difference between a sedative and a hypnotic but they are similar.

[JustCallMeNora]

Well, I really did want to hear that explanation. Because I thought that sleeping pills are sedatives. I wondered if she meant the difference between sedatives and tranquilizers. You may remember her explanation on the ABCs of first aid way back when. It was a hoot.

ABC's way back when? Now you are just confused.

[FDInLaw]

Guess that and maybe more is all what the new investigation will look at. But then again maybe they where adequately cleared. Maybe they did follow through. As dumb as some think they where about the WHOLE investigation, they was good enough to id kevins print in Nona's blood. To date as far as I know, no one else's print has been found in Nona's blood. Nor has any information been released that this new viable suspect has a name, I mean viable suspect KJ's attorney's spoke of. Don't think I have heard it from the other side. Wonder what is taking so long for KJ's attorney's to help in proving this new suspect can be placed at the scene of the murder....etc...... As far as I know, it was only KJ's side of the story as to his and Nona's relationship, I mean first hand from him. There are two sides to every story. I wonder if Nona's would have been the same as KJ stated, we will never know. Why should we assume the original suspected where cleared? I don't assume things like that, I go by what the investigation/evidence shows, shows clearly. Maybe this new investigation will show things clearly, truthfully. It's a good thing they are doing it. Could be a bad thing for the person who killed Nona, I sure hope so!It's my hope that the new investigation will seek to fill in the holes. . . let's hope and pray that they can solve this crime once and for all. :rose:

[SaraSidle]

It's my hope that the new investigation will seek to fill in the holes. . . let's hope and pray that they can solve this crime once and for all. :rose:

That would be so good for Nona and Carol. Until Dateline I had no idea what a special person she was. Quite a loss there.

[upallnight]

There is a difference between sedatives and sleeping pills. People work under the influence all the time.

Oh well, if Carol had anything in her system, it would be with good reason that she did. Why does it matter to you anyway? Her daughter was murdered, your point is? Oh, I forgot, the puppet thing. What a crock! It is like you are trying to add insult to injury so to say. IMO that takes a weird/cruel person to do that in such cases like this. But who am I to judge? Most people try sending a hug or some sort of support towards Carol to show support in her search for Justice For Nona. After all, she is a victim in this to. So is DD. Maybe you should be on rumor control to help in finding out the truth about who killed Nona, not trying to make rumors. You don't seem to have or will not produce for us anything to back up some things you stated. Why is that?

[christina]

Former Russellville Police Chief James Bacon testified about several latent fingerprints he collected from items seized at the crime scene. He said no usable prints were collected from blood smears observed on a CANDLE and a set of vertical blinds.

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15414&Search=candle

My personal opinion is that the candle might have been used to make the blows to Nona's face. However, I don't recall that ever being proposed or discussed as an official theory. Perhaps the candle is one of the pieces of evidence being re-examined or re-analyzed by the new investigation team.


Thank you for finding that TJ. Bacon's ability with prints is questionable to me. It will be interesting to see if the new investigation team finds anything.

[christina]

It's my hope that the new investigation will seek to fill in the holes. . . let's hope and pray that they can solve this crime once and for all. :rose:

Good word.

[upallnight]

Would you rather have people think she is sedated justly so or have people think she is some sort of "weird stepford wife whos smiles too much" like they do over on the Dateline blog?

I told you where I am from. Whether you believe it or not makes no never mind to me. And, I already told you to find the link yourselves.

Think what you want, you are weird anyway!
Hehehehehe! Speaking of justly so, that's what I thought, you don't have jack to back up what you post. Tag, your it!

[upallnight]

You are right. People seem to "post under the influence" on here all the time. Explains a lot.

Oh, I started to reply that we are not "under the influence", but I understand you are speaking about yourself. Man, glad I caught that! Or wow, maybe agenda is the right word. Anyway, you get where I am going right?

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for finding that TJ. Bacon's ability with prints is questionable to me. It will be interesting to see if the new investigation team finds anything.
Thank you for mentioning the candle again. Wonder if we should start a new thread just to list the crime scene loose ends we would check out if we were investigating right now. Anyone game???

[hawgustusgloop]

Does anyone think that Carol is sedated and that is why she doesn't show much emotion? She reminds me of a well controlled puppet, and DD seems like a control freak. :shrug:

How sad. Nobody has been stupid enough to fall for this stuff before, so why not just stop? How cruel.

[hawgustusgloop]

ABC's way back when? Now you are just confused.

No she isn't. I know exactly what she's referring to. It WAS funny. The obviously uneducated (or if she was educated, she didn't pay much attention in school) susieQ was dishing out all kinds of info about first aid and using hilarious phrases like "in my MEDICAL opinon....." Like lorettalockhorn says, it was indeed a hoot.

The discussion at that point was referring to the absurdity of Kevin's "resuscitation" attempts.

[hawgustusgloop]

Thank you for mentioning the candle again. Wonder if we should start a new thread just to list the crime scene loose ends we would check out if we were investigating right now. Anyone game???

Speaking of the candle....does anyone know where the candle usually was in Nona's apartment? I would imagine it was on a nearby table, but you never know.

[lorettalockhorn]

She was obviously dead. Body cold, lips stiff and most likely lips blue as well as were probably her extremities due to no oxygen circulation. The chances of resucitating an adult when immediately found are very low and the older the person the lower the chances, then the longer the heart is stopped, the less the chances, and hours would be freakin' impossible to revive someone. She had been dead plenty long enough for the body to begin the stiffening process, as with her lips, stiffening means some time has passed. jonikay, there was no hope at this point. I mean to what extent did the paramedics attempt resucitation? I wasn't there for that testimony--just what I read in the Courier article, but only EKG was mentioned to confirm she was dead. Was there mention of them doing anything further after that? I am thinking not, because the EKG showed flat line, which means there was absolutely NO electrical activity in the heart. For EMT to not begin the code blue process, ESPECIALLY a young adult,.... Well that means there was absolutely nothing to work with and likely she had been dead awhile, which we know to be true.

There was just no way KJ could have injured her further or finished her off at this point. That's just all my medical opinion.

Of course all my medical opinion only.
But it might help you to know, that in addition to my medical career, I am a trained and certified American Red Cross instrutor in CPR and first aid, as well as ACLS(advanced cardiac life support) certified.

By head, I meant back of head and neck I was actually speaking of the knife wound to her throat. My fault there. Sorry for the confusion.

But, the most critical thing that could cause injury to the body at this point would be moving the body, not lying on top of it, as there could have been neck and back injuries one would be unaware of. Moving the body coud aggrevate those injuries, and there is a proper roll technique that should be used to roll someone over if that person is laying face down. I could be mistaken but she was, right? If not laying face down, then one, should not be moved unless there is a danger of fire, explosion, etc. If she were face down, she would HAVE to have been rolled over to be able to assess for, CPR, internal bleeding, etc. I haven't heard what, if any, medical knowledge existed between the three, but if none, the most appropriate thing was done to try to help Nona at the time, especially considering states of mind we have heard about.

This is my personal fave:

You do most pertinent first. Breathing & Pulse... which breathing he stated and identified unattainable, visible signs of internal bleeding, which would be obvious, engorged abdomen, visible bleeding, if nothing there then go for shock treatment #1 priority there WOULD be warming the body, It wasn't perfect medical procedure but well handled for a layperson with no medical knowledge
of course cold stiff lips is pretty much a sign the person is far too gone
I don't know if he knew that or that Nona was dead not in shock. It was a good attempt at doing the correct best thing, IMO

IIRC, neither JJ nor RW testified that Kevin actually attempted CPR, but I believe Morrison mentioned that he did.

[FDInLaw]

Alright you two, now that I have stopped rolling on the ground in laughter. . . there is just no doubt that Nora is our old friend. I'm hoping she will realize that her latest dress is full of holes, and will dispose of it. Since she enjoys posting with multiple nics, I'm sure she may have another one on here already. . . WonderWoman maybe??? Who knows, and quite frankly who cares??? :hat:

As fun as it is to deal with drama queens, this is not the purpose of the board. We should be faithful to call out those that are here to disrupt or spread falsehoods. . . but we should not let them hijack discussion. There are a lot of pertinent issues to address, and not even our fine missQ should distract us from them. :patriot:

:rose: JUSTICE 4 NONA!!! :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm hoping she will realize that her latest dress is full of holes, and will dispose of it.

Sorry, but the thought of NekkidNora is more than I can take!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, didn't K Morrison mention that Kevin had attempted CPR? Where did he get that information?

Justice for Nona indeed. I am hoping the new investigation will somehow make that happen, but won't be surprised if it is now impossible.

[FDInLaw]

Sorry, but the thought of NekkidNora is more than I can take!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, didn't K Morrison mention that Kevin had attempted CPR? Where did he get that information?

Justice for Nona indeed. I am hoping the new investigation will somehow make that happen, but won't be surprised if it is now impossible.Let's hope for the best! :rose: :rose:

[Amy]

This is my personal fave:



IIRC, neither JJ nor RW testified that Kevin actually attempted CPR, but I believe Morrison mentioned that he did.

Thanks for bringing these up. I missed them the first go-round. Well, actually, @ some point I put suzieQ on ignore, so I am sure that is why I missed them.

I have been a nurse going on 37 years now, have been CPR (BCLS) certified for all those years, plus have been an instructor. The ONLY appropriate thing that might have been done was turning her over (if she was face down) to assess for breathing. You don't even get to pulse until you establish respirations. And, warming the body? If that is what she was implying KJ was doing wouldn't even come into the equation until respirations and then circulation are established.

IIRC, KJ had said he was laying on top of her to swish his hands thru her blood to see if it was clotted yet. Altho, it would seem, even in the throes of horror, one would simply touch the blood instead of lying on the person to do so. IMO I don't remember exactly when the CPR thing came up, but it sure wasn't what he initially said he was doing on top of her.

[FDInLaw]

We were told the card was a greeting card from Nona's mother to her. It was found on the floor.
Janice Jones testified and we heard her on the 911 tape, she looked for something with an address on it for the purpose of telling the 911 operator. She found mail, specifically a bank statement, on a table somewhere. The address on it was the Dipert's address on Skyline.This person was in the court room and this info was verified by others. :seeya:

[JR2007]

Would you rather have people think she is sedated justly so or have people think she is some sort of "weird stepford wife whos smiles too much" like they do over on the Dateline blog?

I told you where I am from. Whether you believe it or not makes no never mind to me. And, I already told you to find the link yourselves.

Several people have made comments as to how Carol always seems to have a smile on her face. I find it amazing that they are not intelligent enough to tell that this is a characteristic of her looks, she appears to be smiling when she's not.
Also the state crime lab had already obtained all the information available from the phone regardless of what the paid defense witness says. Robbins used this tactic again and again to muddy the waters, although the LE did do some things that seemed low grade in the investigation.
MO

[The R]

I have to say that after thinking about it a while, I think that the fact that KJ showed frustration and possible anger in the interrogation is noteworthy. I can't say that actions/reactions like his never take place, but would like to know what he was thinking at that point. I have seen people react violently to news of a loved one's death, but the reaction is usually - in my experience - very soon after learning the news. Such is not the case in KJ's situation.

ALLMO,
R

[FDInLaw]

I have to say that after thinking about it a while, I think that the fact that KJ showed frustration and possible anger in the interrogation is noteworthy. I can't say that actions/reactions like his never take place, but would like to know what he was thinking at that point. I have seen people react violently to news of a loved one's death, but the reaction is usually - in my experience - very soon after learning the news. Such is not the case in KJ's situation.

ALLMO,
R
To be completely honest, I have had mixed feelings about Kevin's interrogation videos. . . there are days that I feel livid beyond words. . . "why can't people see that he is acting!" But on other days I feel sorry for the kid, he was there for hours and had just walked into a nightmare. The bottom line? I can't trust my feelings and perceptions. I don't know what was going through his head. I don't know him or have any idea if his behavior was "normal." The painful truth is that I JUST DON'T KNOW.

A thought has haunted me the past few days. . . someone mentioned that true sociopaths can usually pass polygraphs and yet Kevin failed miserably. As stated on the Dateline show, I think everyone will agree that the person that killed Nona is a monster. . . she was brutally taken from this world. The questions has been, was Kevin this monster? The level of deceit it would take to act normal after such an act is disturbing. . . yet Kevin was unable to pass the polygraph??? My honest assessment of Kevin as a person matches his own mother's. . . just a kid with average intellect. My mind is spinning with questions. . .

Another thing bothering me. . . the actual polygraph. . . I have to ask, since the RPD was not experienced with homicide investigations, who was qualified to make the determination that Kevin was a sociopath? Apparently, the victim's Mother was told this the night before the funeral. From following the case, there is no doubt that Kevin has issues with lying for attention. . . but a sociopath??? I honestly don't know. There really are only two options. . . either Kevin is a diabolical creator or his has been horribly wronged in this mess.

The trial was a terribly frustrating experience for many. I know I didn't expect to walk away with more questions than I did going in. At present, shows like Dateline have caused quite a stir and there are no end of rumors circulating. This activity is fueled by the case getting national publicity. The temptation might be to get caught up in it all, but the reality is this. . . the TRUE story is the investigation that is underway NOW. Tomorrow there could be news that will totally discount what folks are passionately arguing today. Don't let it distract you. While we are waiting. . . challenge yourself to rethink why you believe what you do. Is there anything you are taking for granted? Check it out if you can. The more honest we are with ourselves the better.

It escaped no one's attention, that the initial investigation was sloppy (I'm being charitable here). . . who knows what might come out of the present one. Let's keep a clear mind and be ready to process whatever might be thrown at us.

Beyond preparing our minds, please keep the investigation in your prayers. Add it to your church's prayer list if you attend one. . . seriously, please. . .

It's easy to become jaded in this world, but let's hope and pray for the best.

Godspeed to the New PA and investigators. :rose:

:rose: JUSTICE FOR NONA! :rose:

[TJEddie]

Good post, FD. Just to address one of your questions, what I took away from the Dateline coverage on the polygraph was that it was all just a ruse to pressure Kevin into confessing. I'm not at all sure that a real polygraph was even administered.

[hawgustusgloop]

I don't necessarily think Kevin is a sociopath, not that it means anything since I am FAR FAR FAR from being qualified to make such a "diagnosis." I do think someone who had just committed a murder could act just about any way he wanted to in the name of self-preservation. I think if Kevin did kill Nona, he probably feels at least some degree of remorse and loss, but not so much that he isn't going to look out for his own best interests first and foremost.

[hawgustusgloop]

Good post, FD. Just to address one of your questions, what I took away from the Dateline coverage on the polygraph was that it was all just a ruse to pressure Kevin into confessing. I'm not at all sure that a real polygraph was even administered.

I agree with this. I just watched that part of the program for the first time online, and it sure was edited to make it seem like it was a fake polygraph designed to gain a confession. Whether or not I believe an authentic polygraph was administered, I'm not sure.

Also, I noticed that when they asked Kevin why he didn't ask for an attorney, he said something like, "If you get an attorney, it makes you look like you have something to hide." I would think the natural response would be more along the lines of, "I didn't think I needed one because I am innocent," instead of worrying about what it would look like to the investigators. BUT they didn't show that ghoul Morrison directly asking the question and his immediate response, so for all I know he was asked a differently worded question. I thought all the interview footage in general was very choppy. I don't like the cut and paste approach to TV interviews.

[FDInLaw]

Good post, FD. Just to address one of your questions, what I took away from the Dateline coverage on the polygraph was that it was all just a ruse to pressure Kevin into confessing. I'm not at all sure that a real polygraph was even administered.This will come as no surprise, but I really don't trust Dateline's spin on the case. I have not been presented with any tangible evidence that a real polygraph was not administered (yet at least).

[FDInLaw]

I don't necessarily think Kevin is a sociopath, not that it means anything since I am FAR FAR FAR from being qualified to make such a "diagnosis." I do think someone who had just committed a murder could act just about any way he wanted to in the name of self-preservation. I think if Kevin did kill Nona, he probably feels at least some degree of remorse and loss, but not so much that he isn't going to look out for his own best interests first and foremost.
Excellent point. Maybe my thoughts are too black and white.

[FDInLaw]

I agree with this. I just watched that part of the program for the first time online, and it sure was edited to make it seem like it was a fake polygraph designed to gain a confession. Whether or not I believe an authentic polygraph was administered, I'm not sure.

Also, I noticed that when they asked Kevin why he didn't ask for an attorney, he said something like, "If you get an attorney, it makes you look like you have something to hide." I would think the natural response would be more along the lines of, "I didn't think I needed one because I am innocent," instead of worrying about what it would look like to the investigators. BUT they didn't show that ghoul Morrison directly asking the question and his immediate response, so for all I know he was asked a differently worded question. I thought all the interview footage in general was very choppy. I don't like the cut and paste approach to TV interviews.
I totally agree. . . context is important!

[TJEddie]

This will come as no surprise, but I really don't trust Dateline's spin on the case. I have not been presented with any tangible evidence that a real polygraph was not administered (yet at least).

I agree that Dateline put their own spin on this case. After conducting numerous interviews and reviewing all that was available to them, I think they drew some conclusions and edited their program to be consistent with those conclusions. Isn't that what investigative journalists do? As far as whether they're on target or not, I don't know what their track record is for this type of thing. Are they in the habit of doing updates when and if these cases are solved?

[lorettalockhorn]

It's impossible to put the toothpaste back in the tube (so to speak), but I've often wondered what the jury saw or heard that we didn't. And I've asked myself over and over what makes me think Kevin is the murderer, and the bottom line is that it was his own words: that he was worried when Nona didn't answer his calls, that he/they were frantic when she didn't come to the door for RW. No need to go into that cock and bull at this point.

I don't necessarily think he's a sociopath and wonder who could have made such an official diagnosis in such a short period of time. I do think he is a narcissist; and his behavior since the murder solidifies that for me. Of course, that alone isn't grounds for conviction, neither is sociopathy. Not sure what to think about the polygraph. Why would any police department (or ASP) employee a polygrapher who wasn't accredited?

As sloppy as the original investigation was; so did the defense do a lousy job of corralling their client and insisting that he develop or demonstrate morality and remorse in his public life.

I read once in a trashy novel that when a defense has little to go on, that the victim should be put on trial. I think that happened to a large degree here; Nona and RPD were tried. What a shame.

[FDInLaw]

I agree that Dateline put their own spin on this case. After conducting numerous interviews and reviewing all that was available to them, I think they drew some conclusions and edited their program to be consistent with those conclusions. Isn't that what investigative journalists do? As far as whether they're on target or not, I don't know what their track record is for this type of thing. Are they in the habit of doing updates when and if these cases are solved?
I don't know, I think that "investigative" should be used tongue in check. . . after this situation I don't think I'll ever view one of those shows the same again. This is true crime folks. . . to take a case and turn it into mere entertainment at the expense of unsuspecting and hurting individuals is kind of sick, is it not? Just my take.

To add to my thoughts above. . . I am appalled by the arrogance demonstrated by the producers. . . In my mind, waltzing in and doing some interviews wouldn't give anyone enough certainty to warrant the spin they put on the show. Again, just my opinion.

[lorettalockhorn]

48 Hours and Dateline were both as shoddy investigative-wise as RPD could ever be accused of being. Was never a fan of either one and haven't been swayed. And I totally agree with Hawg's characterization of K Morrison as a "ghoul".

[TJEddie]

I don't know, I think that "investigative" should be used tongue in check. . . after this situation I don't think I'll ever view one of those shows the same again. This is true crime folks. . . to take a case and turn it into mere entertainment at the expense of unsuspecting and hurting individuals is kind of sick, is it not? Just my take.

To add to my thoughts above. . . I am appalled by the arrogance demonstrated by the producers. . . In my mind, waltzing in and doing some interviews wouldn't give anyone enough certainty to warrant the spin they put on the show. Again, just my opinion.

I can appreciate your views on this, FD, particularly knowing that you have personal ties to this case. Even without the personal ties, I probably would have had similar feelings had the show been spun toward Kevin being guilty, because I don't believe he is.

Going back to your previous post this morning, a couple of months ago I tried what you suggested. I tried taking a fresh view and went back over just about everything I could find on this case.....old newspaper articles, internet postings, crime scene descriptions, etc. What I came up with was an entirely revised theory on what happened and why. Sure, it would be nice to know that I was right, but what I really want to know is the truth. I have high hopes that the new investigation will turn that up. I also hope that the findings are definitive enough to put this thing to bed once and for all. I think Nona deserves that.

[FDInLaw]

It's impossible to put the toothpaste back in the tube (so to speak), but I've often wondered what the jury saw or heard that we didn't. And I've asked myself over and over what makes me think Kevin is the murderer, and the bottom line is that it was his own words: that he was worried when Nona didn't answer his calls, that he/they were frantic when she didn't come to the door for RW. No need to go into that cock and bull at this point.

I don't necessarily think he's a sociopath and wonder who could have made such an official diagnosis in such a short period of time. I do think he is a narcissist; and his behavior since the murder solidifies that for me. Of course, that alone isn't grounds for conviction, neither is sociopathy. Not sure what to think about the polygraph. Why would any police department (or ASP) employee a polygrapher who wasn't accredited?

As sloppy as the original investigation was; so did the defense do a lousy job of corralling their client and insisting that he develop or demonstrate morality and remorse in his public life.

I read once in a trashy novel that when a defense has little to go on, that the victim should be put on trial. I think that happened to a large degree here; Nona and RPD were tried. What a shame.Like you, Kevin's state of panic is a huge hurdle for me. . . I just don't get it. We've gone over this topic a thousand times here. . . one detail that hit me while reading old articles, Kevin and Ryan even tried to "Card" Nona's front door. . . this was before they saw the body. I don't get it (can I say that enough lol). Kevin did not respond to Nona's cuddle muffin message even though he states it was "their way" during his Dateline interview. His first call was placed at 2:10pm (IIRC) when Nona should have been in an exam. She had plans to meet with her "little" that night. . . the more I run through it the more it just does not look right. All this to say. . . I agree with you Loretta.

[FDInLaw]

I can appreciate your views on this, FD, particularly knowing that you have personal ties to this case. Even without the personal ties, I probably would have had similar feelings had the show been spun toward Kevin being guilty, because I don't believe he is.

Going back to your previous post this morning, a couple of months ago I tried what you suggested. I tried taking a fresh view and went back over just about everything I could find on this case.....old newspaper articles, internet postings, crime scene descriptions, etc. What I came up with was an entirely revised theory on what happened and why. Sure, it would be nice to know that I was right, but what I really want to know is the truth. I have high hopes that the new investigation will turn that up. I also hope that the findings are definitive enough to put this thing to bed once and for all. I think Nona deserves that.
Amen! I'm hopeful too. I would gladly be wrong, just want to know the truth once and for all. :rose:

[hawgustusgloop]

Like you, Kevin's state of panic is a huge hurdle for me. . . I just don't get it. We've gone over this topic a thousand times here. . . one detail that hit me while reading old articles, Kevin and Ryan even tried to "Card" Nona's front door. . . this was before they saw the body. I don't get it (can I say that enough lol). Kevin did not respond to Nona's cuddle muffin message even though he states it was "their way" during his Dateline interview. His first call was placed at 2:10pm (IIRC) when Nona should have been in an exam. She had plans to meet with her "little" that night. . . the more I run through it the more it just does not look right. All this to say. . . I agree with you Loretta.

Does anyone know if there were any other texts sent after the "U ALIVE" text? Like, for example, one that says something like, "Nona I'm very worried since I haven't heard from you. Ryan's on his way to check on you. If you don't answer, we're going to break in to your apartment in about 10 minutes."

Just wondering.

[SaraSidle]

Does anyone know if there were any other texts sent after the "U ALIVE" text? Like, for example, one that says something like, "Nona I'm very worried since I haven't heard from you. Ryan's on his way to check on you. If you don't answer, we're going to break in to your apartment in about 10 minutes."

Just wondering.

Good question hawgustus. It seems like there is so much stuff we do not know.

[lorettalockhorn]

So much was made of the fact that despite Nona's busy schedule that day, Kevin claimed that he kept calling her. Surely the defense would have worked it into the testimony of the cell phone rep if he had actually indeed been trying to reach her or text her in his rising panic.

Then again, maybe not.

[lorettalockhorn]

hehehe I stuttered! That's never happened before.

[upallnight]

I was going over some of the video clips on the dateline website. At the end of (A Boyfriend Betrayed Video Clip) it shows that photos supplied by,The Jones Family, David Clair and The Russellville Courier. Does anyone know who David Clair is? Just wondering.

[upallnight]

I see there is a David Clair photography in Russellville, that could be him.

[FDInLaw]

I see there is a David Clair photography in Russellville, that could be him.
That must be the one. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

There's a David Clair Photography in Clarksville too.

[upallnight]

There's a David Clair Photography in Clarksville too.

Thanks FD and L. As Mother's Day is approaching, Carol is in my thoughts and in my prayers even more. The Lord knows all things.
For Carol and Nona, we will never forget. :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[JustCallMeNora]

wonder if there is a receipt for the new cell phone battery that obviously would have been needed to make the cell phone work....

[FDInLaw]

Thanks FD and L. As Mother's Day is approaching, Carol is in my thoughts and in my prayers even more. The Lord knows all things.
For Carol and Nona, we will never forget. :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:
Thoughts & Prayers for Carol. . . :rose: :rose: :rose:

[optimumprimal78]

Hi All,

I was wondering when we will be able to get to see the records? Will it be after this new investigation or can we already view all of the information?

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey OP! :seeya: I would think that it will be some time after the new investigation is completed before the file will be released. Of course if there is an arrest or a trial, it would be even longer.

But what do I know?

[lorettalockhorn]

Thought of something while I was on weed eradication duty (UGH), one of the reasons that showing the police station tapes to the jury backfired on The State was because the jury either bought KJ's cock and bull or believed his sincere story (depending on how you look at it). Even though he wasn't under oath when he was being questioned, but the jury believed his story, and since he never took the stand, his own inconsistencies couldn't be cross-examined.

[upallnight]

Thought of something while I was on weed eradication duty (UGH), one of the reasons that showing the police station tapes to the jury backfired on The State was because the jury either bought KJ's cock and bull or believed his sincere story (depending on how you look at it). Even though he wasn't under oath when he was being questioned, but the jury believed his story, and since he never took the stand, his own inconsistencies couldn't be cross-examined.

I can see that L, Ozark is not that far away from Dover, I firmly believe no matter what people say, most knew of this story from papers, family, friends, TV etc., and who knows maybe some wanted to sit on that jury for one reason or another. I also believe that JJ's testimony may have had a big impact on the jury along with the KJ video. I really feel the jury did not take enough time to look at the evidence against KJ and to much time searching for stuff that the Judge could not allow as part of KJ's trial. Seems to me if someone called Nona, or the RPD had information that would cast suspicion on anyone else the RPD would have a reason not to have gone after that person. The defense did a good job in throwing much to do about nothing in the trial as to confuse and cast a doubt in the jury's eyes. Maybe just the judge telling the jury - no -on something or someone they wanted to know more about played a part in the final vote of Not Guilty. But who am I to say.:shrug: JMO

[upallnight]

From the Time Line Thread: My comments/questions in red. I am really trying to sort through all this to see if I can find something that makes me have a light bulb moment to doubt my own opinion on this case as to who killed Nona. So much to go over, the more I search I find myself with less doubt as to my opinion about who killed Nona Dirksmeyer. I feel sad, so sad. I hope I am wrong. I now look forward more than ever to the end result of the new investigation, hopefully it does not lead to more questions than answer's. I can not explain how sad I feel right now, if I am wrong for who I believe killed Nona then I need to know because I do not want to think someone is guilty of such a terrible thing and they are not. If I am right, believe me, it does not make me happy, it would just mean it is the truth. I know that is what we all want. Still much more to go over and read, but for now I have found nothing to sway my opinion and more to make me feel even stronger that there is took much that was overlooked by the jury.
******December 15th******
09:07am – Nona text message Kevin Jone's cell phone "Good morning, cuddlemuffin. I love you. Have a great day."
10:06am - Maintenance workers speak with Kevin Jones at parents' residence
10:30am - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window starts

11:10am - Jeremy Huggins time card begins at Bayou Bridge Cafe
11:30am – Norma Tate Jones sees Kevin Jones at family gas station
10:06am Maint. workers spoke to KJ at his family home. (Give or take, depending on which workers timeline you believe, the worker who knew the Jones Family or the worker who did not.) This leaves up to 1 hour 24 minutes until Grandma Jones stated she saw KJ, but KJ did not say that he was with Grandma Jones at this time in his original statement. I do not understand why he would not have but then again his and Blake's timeline did not match up either. Wish those red light camera's would take a video of traffic in general instead of just taking pictures of those running red lights. Maybe it would have helped to see if KJ's timeline/alibi was truthful. After all, if a license # is taken, that vehicle belongs to someone. Someone was driving it. They can not be in 2 places at one time, not matter if the vehicle is being driven by the owner or someone else. Just wishful thinking I guess on my part. Could help to prove KJ's alibi also, you never know. Pretty much any route to get to Nona's from Dover you may run into a stop light with a camera. Unless they are fake camera's, but from what I understand they only snap a picture if a red light has been ran.
12:05pm - Kevin Jones called Jeremy Huggins
12:18pm – Kevin Jone's Food receipt for Bayou Bridge Cafe
Wonder if KJ ate his meal?
12:58pm – "Nevermind" Text message, from Trey York, not opened on Nona's cell phone (He claims to be at Exxon station, near I40)
13:00pm - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window ends
13:04pm - Kevin Jones was logged onto UoA account (Huggins' residence, behind Bayou Bridge Cafe)
13:05pm – Jeremy Huggins time card ends at Bayou Bridge
13:35pm - Kevin emails Professor Wlliams about Spring classes (Huggins' residence, behind Bayou Bridge Cafe)
Wonder how often KJ used JH's computer or was this the only time other than the 13:04 log on above? J Huggins time card ended at 13:05 per above. Was J Huggins with KJ at his apartment behind BB Cafe right after he got off work? Was there testimony as to what J Huggins said they was doing, in detail? How long was KJ at his apartment before JH got there? I wonder how long it would take to drive from the Jone's family gas station to the Bayou Bridge North of Dover and then back to the Boyou Bridge Cafe for lunch? If my memory serves me, Granny said she sees KJ at 11:30 am, they speak for about 20 minutes. He calls J Huggins at 12:05, arrives at BB Cafe (reciept for 12:18 meal). That leaves about 28 minutes if the 20 minute alibi of KJ with granny is correct (11:30am to 11:50am) and reciept for lunch at 12:18. Wonder if the Boyou waters was searched for that security stick in case the person who killed Nona threw it in there? Then again, that water is pretty rapid at times, not sure if the stick would float or sink. Was it wood or metal? I just don't know for sure. Maybe it could be searched for a phone battery, the more I think about it the more questions I come up with.
14:05pm - Kevin Jones and Jeremy Huggins go to Russellville
12:18 KJ got lunch at BB Cafe per above, almost 2 hours passes and then KJ and JH (Huggins) go to Russellville.
14:10pm – Kevin Jones phone calls Nona's cell phone
Why didn't KJ just go by Tech or Nona's apartment if he was so worried? He did not even reply to her text from 9:07 am. Surely he knew she had an exam to be at 2:00pm. Why call her at 2:00 but not reply to her text message earlier? Would have been better to text her than to call her during an exam. Did he really think she would talk on the phone during an exam?
14:24pm – Kevin Jones and Jeremy Huggins photographed at Arvest Bank
About 19 minutes to get from Dover (JH's Apartment?) to Russellvile Arvest Bank if he left at 14:05 per above. Did KJ go by Tech to see if Nona's car was there since Tech was on the way to the Bank? Maybe that was never a factor, just wondering.
KJ could have gone by Nona's Apartment after the bank or dropped by ATU to see if her car was there, if he was so worried, why did he not? But then again, the records are said to show he did not call her as much as he said he did.
10:06am Maint. workers spoke to KJ at his family home. 11:30 Granny and KJ spoke at Jones Family Station. That leaves 1 hour 24 minutes give or take unaccounted for as to where was KJ. If 40 minutes drive time is taken away, round trip from Dover to Russellville and Russellville back to Dover that leaves 44 minutes. Maybe take another 10 minutes off for unsure time when KJ was last seen by Maint. workers at Family Home in Dover leaving 34 minutes. That's 34 minutes left unaccounted for and driving time accounted for. Take off 10 more minutes, that leaves 24 minutes unaccounted for. Consider the KJ timeline, the ME time of death. Am I way off here, was there or was there not time for KJ to have murdered Nona? Not even considering if Blake saw KJ at 14:45 as it shows below or at the earlier time KJ has stated Blake Walters saw him at the family gas station that I read somewhere. Am I way off here or does 10:06am to 11:30am not add up to 1 hour 24 minutes? Was it not testified to that the murder may not have took very long? Even with 24 minutes, that is a long time to have to kill someone after rendering them defenseless first. Maybe the person who killed Nona parked their car right in the apartment complex, maybe not. Don't seem to be any wittnesses to that one way or the other. Seems that is still a big question. That is other than the green suv at 2:30pm that was seen by a neighbor. That is past the ME time of death though and I think was also explained as to why it was there. But nothing as to any other vehicle parked in that apartment complex around the ME's time of death. Could have gone without notice of course if someone parked there that did not live there.
14:30pm – Neighbor, James Evans, notices green SUV near Nona's residence
14:45pm – Blake Walters sees Kevin Jones at family gas station
Some time line not pasted here due to text to long.

[The R]

Thought of something while I was on weed eradication duty (UGH), one of the reasons that showing the police station tapes to the jury backfired on The State was because the jury either bought KJ's cock and bull or believed his sincere story (depending on how you look at it). Even though he wasn't under oath when he was being questioned, but the jury believed his story, and since he never took the stand, his own inconsistencies couldn't be cross-examined.

Did jury members mention right after the trial that they felt the PD tapes backfired on the State? I'm a little confused as to why the jury sympathized with KJ upon viewing the tapes. There wasn't a confession.....so did they think he showed signs he was sad about Nona?

R

[lorettalockhorn]

There are jury comments on P6 of the Dateline transcript:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24433365/

The last paragraph on P5: The jury, composed of the good citizens of Ozark, knew that down the road in Russellville, these questions were hotly debated. And thus they retired to contemplate the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer.

Can someone explain how the jury knew anything about what was going on down the road? Was the niece of the nurse juror giving him information?? The niece who is Ryan Whiteside's good friend???

[hawgustusgloop]

Did jury members mention right after the trial that they felt the PD tapes backfired on the State? I'm a little confused as to why the jury sympathized with KJ upon viewing the tapes. There wasn't a confession.....so did they think he showed signs he was sad about Nona?

R

I remember one of the jurors saying in an interview something about feeling bad for him because he looked like he was cold in the interrogation room. I'm not sure what else, but I will try to find it.

Edited to add:

"In addition, Chambers said she was disturbed by taped police interviews with Jones at the RPD on the night of the murder.
“That tape bothered me a lot,” she said. “He just found out that his girlfriend of years had been killed and then within an hour he was at the police station, and they said he went voluntarily.
“He kept messing with his sweater like he was cold. I don’t know — it was just sad to me.” "

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15610&Search=dirksmeyer

[SaraSidle]

I remember one of the jurors saying in an interview something about feeling bad for him because he looked like he was cold in the interrogation room. I'm not sure what else, but I will try to find it.

Edited to add:

"In addition, Chambers said she was disturbed by taped police interviews with Jones at the RPD on the night of the murder.
“That tape bothered me a lot,” she said. “He just found out that his girlfriend of years had been killed and then within an hour he was at the police station, and they said he went voluntarily.
“He kept messing with his sweater like he was cold. I don’t know — it was just sad to me.” "

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15610&Search=dirksmeyer



whether he is guilty or not he did seem to be grieving in that first police interview. IMO

[optimumprimal78]

up,

From looking at this that you posted above:

12:58pm – "Nevermind" Text message, from Trey York, not opened on Nona's cell phone (He claims to be at Exxon station, near I40)

Do you (or anyone else for that matter) know what the message was from Nona that he was responding to?



Also, loretta,

If they knew that one of the jurors was connected in some form to Jones was there ever any mention as to why she was allowed to stay? Didn't she post some things online or call RW? Wouldn't that compromise the trial?

[lorettalockhorn]

up,

From looking at this that you posted above:

12:58pm – "Nevermind" Text message, from Trey York, not opened on Nona's cell phone (He claims to be at Exxon station, near I40)

Do you (or anyone else for that matter) know what the message was from Nona that he was responding to?



Also, loretta,

If they knew that one of the jurors was connected in some form to Jones was there ever any mention as to why she was allowed to stay? Didn't she post some things online or call RW? Wouldn't that compromise the trial?



Don't remember if we've ever been told the contents of Trey's and Nona's text exchanges, other than he was responding to let her know "never mind" about him returning a cake pan to her.

I'm assuming that all of the jurors were asked if they had a connection to anyone involved in the case, and that they all claimed not to. But there was a post at Facebook in Nona's group where someone copied an email from a girl who said that her uncle was the male nurse on the jury and that he knew in advance that she and RW were good friends.

[hawgustusgloop]

I THINK Trey sent a text message at 11:04 that said something like "Please call me." I don't think it said anything about a cake pan....I would guess that explanation came from Trey to answer the question of why he texted Nona. I think that message was opened but not responded to. I think he sent another "nevermind" message (at 12:58) supposedly when he was on his way out of town, but that message was not opened.

[lorettalockhorn]

I bet you're right. I think it was probably explained later that he had her cake pan; during testimony or whatever.

[upallnight]

Don't remember if we've ever been told the contents of Trey's and Nona's text exchanges, other than he was responding to let her know "never mind" about him returning a cake pan to her.

I'm assuming that all of the jurors were asked if they had a connection to anyone involved in the case, and that they all claimed not to. But there was a post at Facebook in Nona's group where someone copied an email from a girl who said that her uncle was the male nurse on the jury and that he knew in advance that she and RW were good friends.

L is correct, it was testified to in court by Trey. Per Trey, there was one half of a cake in this pan Nona's Mom gave her from the holidays. Nona gave it to Trey to eat the cake and Trey said he was trying to contact her because he had to be out of his dorm by a certain time on the 15th. Trey was packing to going home to Ashdown and he said just wanted to return the pan to her. As Trey was testifying, I saw Nona's Mom shaking her head up and down, seemed to me she was agreeing with him that what he was saying was the truth.

[upallnight]

I THINK Trey sent a text message at 11:04 that said something like "Please call me." I don't think it said anything about a cake pan....I would guess that explanation came from Trey to answer the question of why he texted Nona. I think that message was opened but not responded to. I think he sent another "nevermind" message (at 12:58) supposedly when he was on his way out of town, but that message was not opened.

That pretty much sums it up Hawg., you are right.

[The R]

There are jury comments on P6 of the Dateline transcript:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24433365/

The last paragraph on P5: The jury, composed of the good citizens of Ozark, knew that down the road in Russellville, these questions were hotly debated. And thus they retired to contemplate the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer.

Can someone explain how the jury knew anything about what was going on down the road? Was the niece of the nurse juror giving him information?? The niece who is Ryan Whiteside's good friend???

Hey Thanks for that link!

I hadn't read the transcript although I'd seen part of the show.

Seems to me after reading that that the jury should've been better instructed? Seems they got sold a bill of defense goods when they started looking at what LE didn't do as opposed to what LE DID do. They were clearly sympathetic to KJ IMO. Looks like the 'mystery-person-that-the-defense-says-was-there-that-LE-didn't-detect-cause-they-didn't-print-the- toilet-handle' was the person on trial.

ALLMO,
R

[The R]

One other thing that might be noteworthy in criminal trials these days is the fact that jurors watch shows like CSI Whatever and instantly (in their minds) become crime scene experts. I suspect these type TV shows have had a tangible effect on the conviction rate across the country. Wonder how many of the jurors in this case are fans of the CSI TV series?

ALLMO,
R

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, I've always thought that the jury took too little time to deliberate, considering that they reviewed the interview tapes. Now that we know that part of that time was also spent in reconstructing the actual crime, I wonder how much time they spent discussing their vote and just how long it took to convert the juror(s) who originally voted for a guilty verdict. And I'm a little curious as to why they did reenact the murder. Was it to determine if the palm print was left at the time of the crime? It would have made more sense for them to have reconstructed the "resuscitation attempt" to determine if the print could have been left at that time. According to what I read of Bacon's testimony, it would have been nearly impossible.

Bottom line is that I probably view the fact that KJ found Nona as much more hinky than the jury did.

[FDInLaw]

We can't pass this up. . .

It's Birdie1's B-day! :biggrin:


http://boards.crimelibrary.com/member.php?u=92297

Should we have Loretta dig up some greatest hits???? (Are there any that were not banned lol :rolleyes: ).

[hawgustusgloop]

We can't pass this up. . .

It's Birdie1's B-day! :biggrin:


http://boards.crimelibrary.com/member.php?u=92297

Should we have Loretta dig up some greatest hits???? (Are there any that were not banned lol :rolleyes: ).

Happy Birthday, Birdie1! I hope you are celebrating on the golf course with Gentilben and LewisM. :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

We can't pass this up. . .

It's Birdie1's B-day! :biggrin:


http://boards.crimelibrary.com/member.php?u=92297

Should we have Loretta dig up some greatest hits???? (Are there any that were not banned lol :rolleyes: ).

Well, Happy BDay, Birdie! Here's a cute golf quote for ya: Golf is a game in which you yell “fore,” shoot six, and write down five.
- Paul Harvey

FD, we absolutely should have Birdie's Greatest Hits to ponder.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's something to tide you over while General Mobspittle is on:

Originally posted by birdie1
man!!! what a tough crowd!!! i promise im not lewisM. im just interested in the case. i have been reading this board since january. just thought i would stick up for my buddy. why doesnt someone foi the city of rsvl....see who rpd paid consulting fees to from 12-05 thru 3-06......anyway, im not lewis....i guess you folks are offended by the truth. sorry i bothered you. i will continue to post...i hope i have not upset the dream world some of you are in.

[FDInLaw]

Happy Birthday, Birdie1! I hope you are celebrating on the golf course with Gentilben and LewisM. :beer:That might be easy. . . since they might all be the same person lol! Golfing with me, myself and I! :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Should we have Loretta dig up some greatest hits???? (Are there any that were not banned lol :rolleyes: ).


This is a doozy:

have any of you ever seen a murder scene where passion or rage was involved?? this is not one. the "sharp" trauma wounds were superficial and the was not the associated "rage" trauma one would expect...it leaves questions for those with open mi8nds and a desire to see the truth.....Those "emails" or "IM's"....are really incredible stuff....."i have comitted the perfect crime"....JM...go to the trial and see for yourself.

What's he smokin?

[hawgustusgloop]

I spend every monday in circuit court when there is a docket call, plea, etc. as for me being on the Prosecutors list, he does not want to subpoena me, (and will not), in any case, i would take the exercise the fifth amendment, if only to frustrate the state. but, they will not subpoena me, or anyone else. they would be required to name those persons to the state. its not a crime to make any information public, ongoing investigation or not.

I was going to make fun of this, but I'm not quite sure how. Can anyone translate?

I'm kind of wondering how Kamp Kevin chose their targets for casting suspicion back in those early days. Why Bubba? Why JM? Why not Trey York and/or Duane Dipert then?

[lorettalockhorn]

I was going to make fun of this, but I'm not quite sure how. Can anyone translate?

I'm kind of wondering how Kamp Kevin chose their targets for casting suspicion back in those early days. Why Bubba? Why JM? Why not Trey York and/or Duane Dipert then?


Birdie must have posted that after spending an afternoon at the 19th hole!! Imagine trying to insert yourself into a case and then claiming that you would take the fifth. Isn't that to a way to avoid self-incrimination???

I think Bubba was a good target because it's pretty widely known that he's had trouble with the law. And I guess JM was a target because it must have been known early on (maybe from KJ lurking her computer) that he and Nona had been close. Don't know what to think about Trey York. The stuff about Duane (and Carol) just strikes me as sheer vindictiveness.

[JustCallMeNora]

Birdie must have posted that after spending an afternoon at the 19th hole!! Imagine trying to insert yourself into a case and then claiming that you would take the fifth. Isn't that to a way to avoid self-incrimination???

I think Bubba was a good target because it's pretty widely known that he's had trouble with the law. And I guess JM was a target because it must have been known early on (maybe from KJ lurking her computer) that he and Nona had been close. Don't know what to think about Trey York. The stuff about Duane (and Carol) just strikes me as sheer vindictiveness.

DD is just as likely to have committed Nona's murder as any one else. That's not "vindictiveness" at all. Just plain truth.

[lorettalockhorn]

DD is just as likely to have committed Nona's murder as any one else. That's not "vindictiveness" at all. Just plain truth.

But what about his alibi? I guess you have a super secret link to prove that he doesn't really have an alibi?

[upallnight]

DD is just as likely to have committed Nona's murder as any one else. That's not "vindictiveness" at all. Just plain truth.

May be just as likely as far as you are concerned. The "truth" is there is no evidence to support your vindictiveness. Have a nice night Nora!

[hawgustusgloop]

DD is just as likely to have committed Nona's murder as any one else. That's not "vindictiveness" at all. Just plain truth.

How sad. I hope someday JCMN can let go of the anger.

:rose: for Nona's family

[FDInLaw]

Guess we'll just have to wait and see if the new investigation has reason to single Duane Dipert out. If not, some individuals will look pretty vindictive and that's a "fact." Time (and the evidence) will tell I pray.

:seeya:

[upallnight]

Just wondering if any of the locals have been by the Ewing Business in Dover across street from PDQ on hwy 27 , lately. I noticed today there is a sign in the window of the building that has Welcome Home Kevin on it. Does any one know if anyone named Kevin from Dover (I guess, not sure) was gone somewhere, in Iraq or etc.,? Or does anyone know who they are welcoming home-like first and last name of that person?

[FDInLaw]

Just wondering if any of the locals have been by the Ewing Business in Dover across street from PDQ on hwy 27 , lately. I noticed today there is a sign in the window of the building that has Welcome Home Kevin on it. Does any one know if anyone named Kevin from Dover (I guess, not sure) was gone somewhere, in Iraq or etc.,? Or does anyone know who they are welcoming home-like first and last name of that person?
My guess is that it is for a soldier. . . . :shrug:

[upallnight]

My guess is that it is for a soldier. . . . :shrug:

I sure hope so! One more soldier home from Iraq - that would be wonderful! I will find out who it is though, could be from Russellville or another close by town. Thanks FD

[The R]

Guess we'll just have to wait and see if the new investigation has reason to single Duane Dipert out. If not, some individuals will look pretty vindictive and that's a "fact." Time (and the evidence) will tell I pray.

:seeya:

Is vindictive a synonym for stupid? Common sense would tell you that DD has already been looked at but hey, why not look again at everything, right?

ALLMO,
R

[The R]

This is a doozy:



What's he smokin?


left-handed golf clubs?

That Paul Harvey quote on golf is nice!

[SaraSidle]

What happened to Bubba's post????

:confused:

I do not remember it FD

[FDInLaw]

I do not remember it FDIt was here about a half hour ago. . . He must have changed his mind about posting it and removed it himself. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I read TAT84's post in my email (notification) and it was very nice and sounded very heartfelt. I give it two thumbs up.

[SaraSidle]

I read TAT84's post in my email (notification) and it was very nice and sounded very heartfelt. I give it two thumbs up.

ITA Loretta

[FDInLaw]

I read TAT84's post in my email (notification) and it was very nice and sounded very heartfelt. I give it two thumbs up.
I agree! :beer:

[JustCallMeNora]

But what about his alibi? I guess you have a super secret link to prove that he doesn't really have an alibi?

I would like to see a timeline of DD's where abouts on the day of Nona's murder mapped out on here. Maybe that would put all my and everyone else's questions to rest. Everything I am reading every where else but here casts a lot of suspicion on him.

[JustCallMeNora]

How sad. I hope someday JCMN can let go of the anger.

:rose: for Nona's family

I do not have anger towards Nona's family. Do you have anger towards Kevin's family? I guess by you assuming that I do for Nona's family I can assume you do toward Kevin's family, since you have spoke of Kevin and his family in much worse terms.

[JustCallMeNora]

Guess we'll just have to wait and see if the new investigation has reason to single Duane Dipert out. If not, some individuals will look pretty vindictive and that's a "fact." Time (and the evidence) will tell I pray.

:seeya:

Hope it does.

[JustCallMeNora]

Is vindictive a synonym for stupid? Common sense would tell you that DD has already been looked at but hey, why not look again at everything, right?

ALLMO,
R


Everyone and every thing should be looked at with a fresh perspective, and hopefully, that is what the special prosecuter is doing.

[FDInLaw]

Is vindictive a synonym for stupid? Common sense would tell you that DD has already been looked at but hey, why not look again at everything, right?

ALLMO,
RIt sure would not hurt to look at everyone and everything again. . . I hope that is what is being done.

Glad you are posting with us! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

I would like to see a timeline of DD's where abouts on the day of Nona's murder mapped out on here. Maybe that would put all my and everyone else's questions to rest. Everything I am reading every where else but here casts a lot of suspicion on him.

Should we really expect that information to be published when/if the case is completed, any other trials completed and the investigation is FOIAed? Sheesh, LE talked to forty some-odd people in the first few days; are we going to see time-lines for all of them? I'd like to know what Ryan Whiteside and Jeff Simmons' itineraries were; I mean, after all, they are intimate with Kevin, maybe they helped him acquire or plant the condom wrapper.

These other places that you're reading; are they people who followed the case? Or folks who saw 44 minutes of biased and sensationalized reporting by networks who didn't research and didn't ask KJ about the inconsistencies of the case?

I do not have anger towards Nona's family. Do you have anger towards Kevin's family? I guess by you assuming that I do for Nona's family I can assume you do toward Kevin's family, since you have spoke of Kevin and his family in much worse terms.

Don't know if angry is the correct way to describe how I personally feel towards the Joneses, but they need to get that kid some help. That is unless his drinking reputation is exaggerated and if we can safely assume that he doesn't frequently harass young women and get arrested for public intoxication. Good thing he was stopped from getting into a car on the latest anniversary of Nona's murder; thank God he hasn't killed anyone in a drunk driving accident.

And I'll never get over the fact that people could harbor any anger whatsoever toward Carol Dipert.

[JustCallMeNora]

Should we really expect that information to be published when/if the case is completed, any other trials completed and the investigation is FOIAed? Sheesh, LE talked to forty some-odd people in the first few days; are we going to see time-lines for all of them? I'd like to know what Ryan Whiteside and Jeff Simmons' itineraries were; I mean, after all, they are intimate with Kevin, maybe they helped him acquire or plant the condom wrapper.

These other places that you're reading; are they people who followed the case? Or folks who saw 44 minutes of biased and sensationalized reporting by networks who didn't research and didn't ask KJ about the inconsistencies of the case?



Don't know if angry is the correct way to describe how I personally feel towards the Joneses, but they need to get that kid some help. That is unless his drinking reputation is exaggerated and if we can safely assume that he doesn't frequently harass young women and get arrested for public intoxication. Good thing he was stopped from getting into a car on the latest anniversary of Nona's murder; thank God he hasn't killed anyone in a drunk driving accident.

And I'll never get over the fact that people could harbor any anger whatsoever toward Carol Dipert.


All that you know about Kevin and his drinking is hearsay, nothing more.

I have nothing but heart felt sympathy for Carol.

[lorettalockhorn]

All that you know about Kevin and his drinking is hearsay, nothing more.

I have nothing but heart felt sympathy for Carol.

Nope. Sorry. I've seen the police report. I know that he was arrested for public intoxication on at least one occasion. I believe it was admitted that there was drinking and providing alcohol to minors at the alleged rape party. (I think parents should be held responsible for that too; in this case the Whitesides). You reckon those peeps had a designated driver?

Do the other places you're reading claim that KJ is a teetotaler?

[JustCallMeNora]

Nope. Sorry. I've seen the police report. I know that he was arrested for public intoxication on at least one occasion. I believe it was admitted that there was drinking and providing alcohol to minors at the alleged rape party. (I think parents should be held responsible for that too; in this case the Whitesides). You reckon those peeps had a designated driver?

Do the other places you're reading claim that KJ is a teetotaler?

Gee, what about all those other incidents you mentioned? One time. The other still hearsay.

[FDInLaw]

Nope. Sorry. I've seen the police report. I know that he was arrested for public intoxication on at least one occasion. I believe it was admitted that there was drinking and providing alcohol to minors at the alleged rape party. (I think parents should be held responsible for that too; in this case the Whitesides). You reckon those peeps had a designated driver?

Do the other places you're reading claim that KJ is a teetotaler?


Gee, I thought our Nora was from out of state. . . how would she know what is hearsay??? LMBO!

Heck, any one on the ball should have quite a collection of photos and stories of Kevin intoxicated. . . kids, even friends of Kevin, post the darndest things these days.

The reality is, there is an unnerving number of kids running around playing the fool these days. The question that matters is did Kevin kill Nona??? The FACT that he parties does not make him a murderer. JMO

[JustCallMeNora]

Gee, I thought our Nora was from out of state. . . how would she know what is hearsay??? LMBO!

Heck, any one on the ball should have quite a collection of photos and stories of Kevin intoxicated. . . kids, even friends of Kevin, post the darndest things these days.

The reality is, there is an unnerving number of kids running around playing the fool these days. The question that matters is did Kevin kill Nona??? The FACT that he parties does not make him a murderer. JMO

Even from out of state, I can tell fact from fiction. Doesn't take much in this case. LMAO

[FDInLaw]

Even from out of state, I can tell fact from fiction. Doesn't take much in this case. LMAO
I'm glad you have stated on the board that you are from out of state. . . now maybe the mod will take me seriously.

[lorettalockhorn]

The FACT that he parties does not make him a murderer. JMO

Oh, heck no, sorry if I was unclear. Nora asked about anger toward the Joneses and I stated that it does bother me that they don't seem to be getting him the effective help that he needs. They have a responsibility to the community just as any parent does; to produce a law abiding citizen.

[hawgustusgloop]

All that you know about Kevin and his drinking is hearsay, nothing more.



I got me a big, fat avatar that begs to differ.

[upallnight]

Even from out of state, I can tell fact from fiction. Doesn't take much in this case. LMAO

Then why don't you solve the case if you know so much? What ya got to hide?

[FDInLaw]

I got me a big, fat avatar that begs to differ.
Thanks for the early morning gut buster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :biggrin:

[interestinginfo]

Wow this is a sad story. Its too bad Kevin was found not guilty.

Reading threw all this and going back into old posts, I have always wondered what the best friend Chelsea might have known. Best friends know everything. Kevins ex-girlfriend could give some light about his behavior.
Did Kevin dump her to be with Nona again?

Also, I was thinking the killer may have taken the battery out to prevent
her from calling 911 if she maybe may have been even remotely alive. Who knows.....Also, if Kevin was taking Adderall(noted in the Courier article) it could have affected his mindset.

At this point the case is probably cold even though its assigned to a special
prosecutor. Anyone know how to get ahold of the 48 hrs video? That one isnt online.

RIP Nona

[lorettalockhorn]

I got me a big, fat avatar that begs to differ.


I'll see yours and raise you one. :beer:

[interestinginfo]

I'll see yours and raise you one. :beer:

LOL is that really Kevin? Was he benge drinking/f r a t party?

You should put those on flickr its hard to make out his face.

[FDInLaw]

Welcome to the board InterestingInfo! :seeya:


Poor Kevie. . . someone posted those pics on facebook. They have been removed.

[FDInLaw]

I'll see yours and raise you one. :beer:

ONE MORE POST!
And you will be a Super Member!

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[interestinginfo]

>>Welcome to the board InterestingInfo!

Thanks, long time lurker.


Poor Kevie. . . someone posted those pics on facebook. They have been removed.

The photo is hilarious!

Haha someone should post those facebook pics. Any other good ones?

[FDInLaw]

>>Welcome to the board InterestingInfo!

Thanks, long time lurker.



The photo is hilarious!

Haha someone should post those facebook pics. Any other good ones?
Yes, there are more. . . but I'm not going to pick on the kid by posting them. I just want to know if he is responsible for Nona's death. I hope in time we will know.

[lorettalockhorn]

ONE MORE POST!
And you will be a Super Member!

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

There's gotta be a dirty joke in there somewhere. ;)

Hey Info! :seeya: I think I can understand the jury's issue with reasonable doubt. Or maybe they were simply confused by technicalities.

Oh hell, I could go on and on.

[interestinginfo]

There's gotta be a dirty joke in there somewhere. ;)

Hey Info! :seeya: I think I can understand the jury's issue with reasonable doubt. Or maybe they were simply confused by technicalities.

Oh hell, I could go on and on.

Yep, too much resonable doubt. Women love dangerous men, he will probably get more dates than ever now.

[FDInLaw]

There's gotta be a dirty joke in there somewhere. ;)

Hey Info! :seeya: I think I can understand the jury's issue with reasonable doubt. Or maybe they were simply confused by technicalities.

Oh hell, I could go on and on.You deserve it babe! :beer:

[interestinginfo]

Yes, there are more. . . but I'm not going to pick on the kid by posting them. I just want to know if he is responsible for Nona's death. I hope in time we will know.



Awww shucks! Yep, Adderal + benge drinking = bad mix!

[FDInLaw]

Awww shucks! Yep, Adderal + benge drinking = bad mix!Do you have any personal experiences you could share? I missed out during my "wild oats" days and have no clue. Bad mix????

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep, too much resonable doubt. Women love dangerous men, he will probably get more dates than ever now.

One thing that interests me about his latest arrest (that I know of) is that on the surface, it would seem that it was a domestic dispute which could have escalated. According to the police report, he and the girl were yelling and she appeared to be trying to get away from him.

[lorettalockhorn]

You deserve it babe! :beer:

You calling me a big mouth?!? :punch:

[FDInLaw]

You calling me a big mouth?!? :punch:
If you're a big mouth, what does that make me?????? :eek:










:biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

If you're a big mouth, what does that make me?????? :eek:

:biggrin:

Yenta In Training :hat:

[interestinginfo]

One thing that interests me about his latest arrest (that I know of) is that on the surface, it would seem that it was a domestic dispute which could have escalated. According to the police report, he and the girl were yelling and she appeared to be trying to get away from him.

Kevin was arrested for something else? I thought it was only for dirksmeyers murder and he was sent out on bond.

Thats why I was hoping the exgirlfriend from his college would testify, so we could learn more about how he treated girls.

[lorettalockhorn]

Kevin was arrested for something else? I thought it was only for dirksmeyers murder and he was sent out on bond.

Thats why I was hoping the exgirlfriend from his college would testify, so we could learn more about how he treated girls.

He was arrested for public intox shorly after midnight the second anniversary of the murder.

[interestinginfo]

He was arrested for public intox shorly after midnight the second anniversary of the murder.

Wow, Dec 15 must be a tough day for him. Is Kevin back in college?

F r a ts usualy do parties at the end of each semester.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow, Dec 15 must be a tough day for him. Is Kevin back in college?

F r a ts usualy do parties at the end of each semester.

Think someone posted that he's a student at a community college in Ft. Smith. Don't know if they have frats or sororities. This arrest was in Russellville. Don't know about it being a tough day/date or not. He seemed to have the gumption to party. Some might see his behavior as disrespectful to Nona's memory.

Don't know how involved he was in the "alleged rape" scene back in Jan '07, but it was reported that he was in the bed with the girl and Jeff Simmons when she woke up after the incident.

Aside: I will assume that since his bond was never revoked before his trial, that he was able to either comply or pass the criterions that he not drink or do drugs except as directed by a physician. (Although I question the intelligence of not having the drug testing done on a randomized basis.)

[interestinginfo]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9100186]
Don't know how involved he was in the "alleged rape" scene back in Jan '07, but it was reported that he was in the bed with the girl and Jeff Simmons when she woke up after the incident.

QUOTE]

Wow what a mess, I was reading that too. Boy that whole group just doesnt get it. Kevin included. You would think they would all stay out of trouble.

[interestinginfo]

Are their any pics/video of Whiteside or York III? Im curious as to what they looked like.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ryan Whiteside has a pic at Facebook and one of the programs (48 Hours I think) showed a photograph of him. But his looks have changed from high school graduation.

There's a Trey York at myspace, but I don't think it's our guy (but he's a cutie). The Trey York at facebook in the Arkansas Tech network uses an avatar of one of the South Park kids.

[interestinginfo]

Ryan Whiteside has a pic at Facebook and one of the programs (48 Hours I think) showed a photograph of him. But his looks have changed from high school graduation.

There's a Trey York at myspace, but I don't think it's our guy (but he's a cutie). The Trey York at facebook in the Arkansas Tech network uses an avatar of one of the South Park kids.

Thanks for the info! Ill check it out. Im still trying to get ahold of the 48hrs video. CBS only has a short clip, youtube has nothing.

[lorettalockhorn]

While on weed eradication duty, I was thinking about the juror's comment that Grandma Jones seemed like a Christian lady. (I'm not the only one who has a problem with it; even Pat Lynch described that as chilling.) Can anyone who was in the courtroom tell me what if anything led the juror to such a conclusion? Did she bring her own dog-eared Bible for the swearing in? Was she asked outright? Did she wear a crucifix? Was the juror psychic? Did the juror actually get a sense of which denomination Granny might be?

[JustCallMeNora]

I got me a big, fat avatar that begs to differ.

Assuming your avatar is actually KJ, it tells me nothing. It does not tell me he is a raging alcoholic and druggie. It doesn't tell me he is a murderer. It shows a young man having a beer, and that in and of itself is not a crime, nor is it any of the things you all claim he is.

[ifIwereU]

Assuming your avatar is actually KJ, it tells me nothing. It does not tell me he is a raging alcoholic and druggie. It doesn't tell me he is a murderer. It shows a young man having a beer, and that in and of itself is not a crime, nor is it any of the things you all claim he is.

well, let's see here, he's been involved in at least 3 alcohol related incidents:
the rape/party
public intox arrest
and the photosgraphs in Hawg's avatar

odds are he consumes alcohol...and the fact that 2 of the above mentioned incidents involved LE leads me to think that he is not simply a social drinker but does infact have a problem....JMO

but that is not what this board is about...so lets talk about Nona's case and stop with the bellyaching about poor pitiful kevin...

[lorettalockhorn]

Assuming your avatar is actually KJ, it tells me nothing. It does not tell me he is a raging alcoholic and druggie. It doesn't tell me he is a murderer. It shows a young man having a beer, and that in and of itself is not a crime, nor is it any of the things you all claim he is.

hehehe And does my avatar tell you that he's a two-fisted drinker? If those pix aren't Kevin, he should blast his buddy who posted them on the internet.

I'm worried about the boy's anger and control issues after reading the police report from the public intox arrest. Wonder what Miss Tackett's parents think. Or maybe they're in the dark. Maybe KJ's parents are in the dark; maybe they know nothing about the arrest. Maybe they just think "boys will be boys". That's kinda what I get from Kevin's bedmate Jeff Simmons' parents. Or maybe it's a Dover thing.

[upallnight]

Assuming your avatar is actually KJ, it tells me nothing. It does not tell me he is a raging alcoholic and druggie. It doesn't tell me he is a murderer. It shows a young man having a beer, and that in and of itself is not a crime, nor is it any of the things you all claim he is.

You are right, the avatar says nothing to someone who is trying to protect KJ from his own self inflicted wounds that caused the police report/s. The point is, he was charged with the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer, the jury may have voted not guilty but that does not mean he is innocent of the murder. I wonder if it had been your loved killed, would you still turn your head to the evidence they had against that person? Or, would the lies, the blood print etc., stand out to you and cast suspicion on that person? If the new investigation shows hard evidence against someone else, that will cast suspicion toward him/her I am sure. May even lead to an arrest. That does not mean he/she would be found guilty in a court of law. I feel that some close to KJ or his family tend to overlook some major facts in the case. I feel If someone that the KJ protectors had no connection to - was charged with Nona's murder, there would be some different opinions by them. Same evidence etc., just no ties to the Jones family what so ever. Maybe you know the Jones family. Many here, as you know-knew Nona and also know Kevin. What it comes down to is who killed Nona. Be it Kevin or someone else, it is not a game. There is a murderer walking around. I only know what the evidence shows. I will be amoung the first to Thank God if this new investigation brings out the truth as to who murdered Nona. Would love to see that person put behind bars for it to say the least. But then again, it would be so sad if KJ did kill Nona and got away with Murder. This is my opinion only. If there was a confession and 100% proof as to who killed Nona, that persons family, maybe friends may feel glad he/she was not convicted if that is to be the case. Either way, Nona was murdered, someone did it and I refuse to ignore the evidence that was presented even though the jury voted Not Guilty. That alone does not throw the evidence away. It is being looked at all over again, for Nona not for Kevin. Nona can no longer attempt to defend herself, the murderer made sure of that! The murderer is a coward, an evil monster, to say the least! This person could murder again, this person could be any where at any time. Nona was a sweet, well respected young woman. She helped many, cared about and for many people/animals. This world needed her. It took a real monster to kill her. It's about Nona!

[JustCallMeNora]

You are right, the avatar says nothing to someone who is trying to protect KJ from his own self inflicted wounds that caused the police report/s. The point is, he was charged with the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer, the jury may have voted not guilty but that does not mean he is innocent of the murder. I wonder if it had been your loved killed, would you still turn your head to the evidence they had against that person? Or, would the lies, the blood print etc., stand out to you and cast suspicion on that person? If the new investigation shows hard evidence against someone else, that will cast suspicion toward him/her I am sure. May even lead to an arrest. That does not mean he/she would be found guilty in a court of law. I feel that some close to KJ or his family tend to overlook some major facts in the case. I feel If someone that the KJ protectors had no connection to - was charged with Nona's murder, there would be some different opinions by them. Same evidence etc., just no ties to the Jones family what so ever. Maybe you know the Jones family. Many here, as you know-knew Nona and also know Kevin. What it comes down to is who killed Nona. Be it Kevin or someone else, it is not a game. There is a murderer walking around. I only know what the evidence shows. I will be amoung the first to Thank God if this new investigation brings out the truth as to who murdered Nona. Would love to see that person put behind bars for it to say the least. But then again, it would be so sad if KJ did kill Nona and got away with Murder. This is my opinion only. If there was a confession and 100% proof as to who killed Nona, that persons family, maybe friends may feel glad he/she was not convicted if that is to be the case. Either way, Nona was murdered, someone did it and I refuse to ignore the evidence that was presented even though the jury voted Not Guilty. That alone does not throw the evidence away. It is being looked at all over again, for Nona not for Kevin. Nona can no longer attempt to defend herself, the murderer made sure of that! The murderer is a coward, an evil monster, to say the least! This person could murder again, this person could be any where at any time. Nona was a sweet, well respected young woman. She helped many, cared about and for many people/animals. This world needed her. It took a real monster to kill her. It's about Nona!

You are right. It is not about Kevin. It is about Nona, but you all seem to make it about Kevin an awful lot.

[FDInLaw]

You are right. It is not about Kevin. It is about Nona, but you all seem to make it about Kevin an awful lot.You forgot the icon ( :no: ) you are infamous for using. :rolleyes: (Sorry, couldn't help myself. . . bad FD :punch: )

You could help by contributing some fact based theories yourself. Just a friendly suggestion. :patriot:

[lorettalockhorn]

You are right. It is not about Kevin. It is about Nona, but you all seem to make it about Kevin an awful lot.

Well, so far he's the only one with motive, opportunity and a world of inconsistencies about his alibi to have been indicted.

Still, you have to wonder about this new investigation. If it also leads to Kevin or substantiates the original findings, will we ever know?

[JustCallMeNora]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9100764]Well, so far he's the only one with motive, opportunity and a world of inconsistencies about his alibi to have been indicted.

QUOTE]

I disagree with that. Don't really see any more motive for Kevin to have killed Nona than any of the other suspects. His alibi seemed pretty solid to me, at least as solid as anyone elses. As for opportunity, well, there again, plenty of others had plenty of opportunity.

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9100764]Well, so far he's the only one with motive, opportunity and a world of inconsistencies about his alibi to have been indicted.

QUOTE]

I disagree with that. Don't really see any more motive for Kevin to have killed Nona than any of the other suspects. His alibi seemed pretty solid to me, at least as solid as anyone elses. As for opportunity, well, there again, plenty of others had plenty of opportunity.

Really? :eek: Who else was indicted? :confused: Why wasn't (s)he tried? :shrug:

[upallnight]

You are right. It is not about Kevin. It is about Nona, but you all seem to make it about Kevin an awful lot.

No, we just talk about- who killed Nona? Why are you so worried about us trying to sort it all out? It was not John Doe that was charged with first degree murder of Nona Dirksmeyer. It was Kevin Jones that was charged. Other names have been talked about on this thread based on what was made public of the case. I have sorted through most everthing I could find on this case. To date there is nothing else that I can find that argues the case the state had against Kevin. You wonder why Kevins name comes up, think about it! It would not matter if the killers name is Sam. What matters is who killed Nona, that person has a name! Nona's name is on her grave marker. You seem ok to try to cast suspicion on DD with no evidence what so ever to back it up. I guess it is all in the Kevin name to you, I don't care what the killers name is-I just wish we could all know the truth and see the person who killed Nona punished!

[SaraSidle]

No, we just talk about- who killed Nona? Why are you so worried about us trying to sort it all out? It was not John Doe that was charged with first degree murder of Nona Dirksmeyer. It was Kevin Jones that was charged. Other names have been talked about on this thread based on what was made public of the case. I have sorted through most everthing I could find on this case. To date there is nothing else that I can find that argues the case the state had against Kevin. You wonder why Kevins name comes up, think about it! It would not matter if the killers name is Sam. What matters is who killed Nona, that person has a name! Nona's name is on her grave marker. You seem ok to try to cast suspicion on DD with no evidence what so ever to back it up. I guess it is all in the Kevin name to you, I don't care what the killers name is-I just wish we could all know the truth and see the person who killed Nona punished!

Nice post IMO

[JustCallMeNora]

No, we just talk about- who killed Nona? Why are you so worried about us trying to sort it all out? It was not John Doe that was charged with first degree murder of Nona Dirksmeyer. It was Kevin Jones that was charged. Other names have been talked about on this thread based on what was made public of the case. I have sorted through most everthing I could find on this case. To date there is nothing else that I can find that argues the case the state had against Kevin. You wonder why Kevins name comes up, think about it! It would not matter if the killers name is Sam. What matters is who killed Nona, that person has a name! Nona's name is on her grave marker. You seem ok to try to cast suspicion on DD with no evidence what so ever to back it up. I guess it is all in the Kevin name to you, I don't care what the killers name is-I just wish we could all know the truth and see the person who killed Nona punished!

It was also Kevin Jones who was acquitted.

There is proof of someone other than KJ, but it is completely ignored. Although, I must say there is very little proof at all due to the lack of a thourough investigation.

[lorettalockhorn]

It was also Kevin Jones who was acquitted.

There is proof of someone other than KJ, but it is completely ignored. Although, I must say there is very little proof at all due to the lack of a thourough investigation.

WAIT! Don't leave without telling who the other person who was indicted was! :seeya:

[upallnight]

[quote=lorettalockhorn;9100764]Well, so far he's the only one with motive, opportunity and a world of inconsistencies about his alibi to have been indicted.

QUOTE]

I disagree with that. Don't really see any more motive for Kevin to have killed Nona than any of the other suspects. His alibi seemed pretty solid to me, at least as solid as anyone elses. As for opportunity, well, there again, plenty of others had plenty of opportunity.

Nora, what other suspects are you talking about? Why don't you state names? The motive/alibi's, give the names of each person you are speaking about and the facts about their motive/alibi. Opportunity, what are the names of the others you say had plenty of opportunity? Also please explain the opportunity they each had based on the evidence, investigation, timeline etc. Then, do the same using the investigative information/evidence against Kevin. Evidence being a major factor against all, please include that on all parties. That is what we are trying to do, sort it all out. Looking forward to your break down of all the facts in this case. There are many maybe this or what if's, but the clear cut facts of this case is what is needed. Nothing else matters unless it is a fact and is the truth, you know that.

[upallnight]

It was also Kevin Jones who was acquitted.

There is proof of someone other than KJ, but it is completely ignored. Although, I must say there is very little proof at all due to the lack of a thourough investigation.

Proof? What proof? The DNA match? So your saying they have proved someone else killed Nona? Who is this person? Why have they not made it public. Is the someone other than KJ in jail? What is the evidence that proves this person killed Nona? Have they placed this someone other than KJ at the scence of the crime? OMG, please give us the facts like, his/her name for sure then would like to know if that person gave an alibi that did not pan out, had an opportunity, had a motive, what evidence do they gave against this person and all the facts! Oh, ignored proof, what proof was ignored? Proof is a strong word, proof of murder is even stronger! Who do they have proof of murdering Nona on but it has been ignored?

[lorettalockhorn]

Proof? What proof? The DNA match? So your saying they have proved someone else killed Nona? Who is this person? Why have they not made it public. Is the someone other than KJ in jail? What is the evidence that proves this person killed Nona? Have they placed this someone other than KJ at the scence of the crime? OMG, please give us the facts like, his/her name for sure then would like to know if that person gave an alibi that did not pan out, had an opportunity, had a motive, what evidence do they gave against this person and all the facts! Oh, ignored proof, what proof was ignored? Proof is a strong word, proof of murder is even stronger! Who do they have proof of murdering Nona on but it has been ignored?

Oh Upall, you know Nora's just a sockpuppet for the defense and their ill-advised, yet timely leak to the press that the DNA had been identified in order to gain sympathy for Kevin and deflect from the inconsistencies that came out of his own mouth.

[upallnight]

Oh Upall, you know Nora's just a sockpuppet for the defense and their ill-advised, yet timely leak to the press that the DNA had been identified in order to gain sympathy for Kevin and deflect from the inconsistencies that came out of his own mouth.

hahaha! L, this board would not be the same without you! Yes, you nailed it!

[FDInLaw]

WAIT! Don't leave without telling who the other person who was indicted was! :seeya:
Sooooooooooooooo, where did she go?????? :shrug: :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Sooooooooooooooo, where did she go?????? :shrug: :shrug:

this must mean Kevin is a POI!

[upallnight]

Poof, Nora is gone-Oh Pooh!