Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by hawgustusgloop
Is anyone still here? FDInLaw?

I'm still here!

:seeya:

[Amy]

I'm still here, too!!! Sure hope others can find this place.

[annamarie]

New to this case although I remember reading about it when it happenned. Have read as much of the stuff by Huff and on this site.
Can someone in the know fill me in on basic details and does anyone know when the trial will start?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by annamarie
New to this case although I remember reading about it when it happenned. Have read as much of the stuff by Huff and on this site.
Can someone in the know fill me in on basic details and does anyone know when the trial will start?


Welcome to the board, Annamarie!

The trial starts January 16th last I heard.

Do you have any specific questions?


:seeya:

[annamarie]

I understand the main suspect all along was the boyfriend but the timeline shows the prosecutor waited quite awhile to charge him. Were there ever any other suspects?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by annamarie
I understand the main suspect all along was the boyfriend but the timeline shows the prosecutor waited quite awhile to charge him. Were there ever any other suspects?

From my understanding, there were a good number of folks that were questioned during the first week (and month). In the response to the motion for discovery there are a number of tapped interviews listed, I believe some of these may be of the other potential suspects at the time (?). Probably part of the reason the arrest took so long was the back up at the crime labs. Seems like it took them forever to get results back. Also, Kevin Jones did not have a previous record and was not considered a flight risk (?). The prosecutor probably took the time needed to insure there was a good case which would involve eliminating any other possible suspects. We’ll have to wait an see how good a case it really is. One thing that has not been disclosed by the investigation is motive. Like most folks, I wonder why Kevin (if guilty) flew into such a rage. Guess it’s easy to assume that their relationship was coming to a close, just wish Nona would have had the chance to live the rest of her natural life. This case has had me hooked since day one, and I’m so sorry for her loved ones. . . no one should have to lose a daughter, sister, or friend this way. If found guilty, I hope Kevin gets life. MOO

[annamarie]

Appreciate the synopsis. Yes, motive does not seem strong. Having looked at other people as suspects makes me have more faith in the prosecutor/police. Someone previously on this thread (sorry I don't remember who, I just skimmed the thread)said the police made comments very early on that they knew who did it. That made me think there might have been "rush to judgement".
It would be good to be able to follow the trial but it appears the papaers might be limited.

[annamarie]

I found another similar case in AR. Has anyone read or know about it? Nina(weird the names are close)Ingram in Fayetteville. How far away from Russellville is that?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by annamarie
I found another similar case in AR. Has anyone read or know about it? Nina(weird the names are close)Ingram in Fayetteville. How far away from Russellville is that?

Yes, I've been following that case as well. There is thread for Nina on the Court TV message board under current crimes. Seems like this case has been real quiet and that there is no real suspect. I really feel for her loved ones. . . that has to be the worst! They have no real answers. Fayetteville is about two hours from Russellville.

[FDInLaw]

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=267824

[annamarie]

I went over and read it but was not allowed to post a comment. Kept saying I was not logged in then when I did log in said my log in was invalid. Hm.
Anyway, the cases appear similar except for the obvious- someone was charged with Nona's but not Nina's.
Creepy that they were both college girls living alone in apartments only 2 hours away. Does anyone know if the officers in these cases talked to each other?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by annamarie
I went over and read it but was not allowed to post a comment. Kept saying I was not logged in then when I did log in said my log in was invalid. Hm.
Anyway, the cases appear similar except for the obvious- someone was charged with Nona's but not Nina's.
Creepy that they were both college girls living alone in apartments only 2 hours away. Does anyone know if the officers in these cases talked to each other?

Do you have a second e-mail address? With all the recent changes this board may not let you go to the Court TV board if you started your account here. Maybe open a new one on the Court TV site? You would have to use a diffent e-mail address and name. I'd hate to see you not get to comment on Nina's thread. . . her case is in dire need of attention IMO. Freshwater is really nice, you might contact him/her and see if they can help.

[FDInLaw]

I went over and read it but was not allowed to post a comment. Kept saying I was not logged in then when I did log in said my log in was invalid. Hm.
Anyway, the cases appear similar except for the obvious- someone was charged with Nona's but not Nina's.
Creepy that they were both college girls living alone in apartments only 2 hours away. Does anyone know if the officers in these cases talked to each other?

Were you ever able to post on Nina's site?

In one week, it will be one year since Nona's death. . . praying for justice!
:rose:

[Amy]

Hard to realize it's been a whole year. :rose:

[Einfuhlung]

The court date has been set, and it's still in Pope County.

That has to be the most tragic part of this case, with the local jury pool as corrupt as it is.

I am a firm prayer for justice for Nona, but not at the expense of another innocent person's life. I just don't think Kevin did it. That isn't to say i don't think he's capable of doing it, but there was just no way he would do it. And his mother is one of those people where she wouldn't lie to the cops to save her youngest.

Think about it:
They say there was a 3 hour window where Nona could have been killed. Kevin didn't have 3 hours. He had a one hour lunch break, driving from Dover to S. Inglewood (at noon, that's a very congested traffic pattern), get to her apartment, wait for her to undress (nix the socks), take a part a lamp, kill her, wipe the lamp clean (nix the light bulb), dispose of any evidence, drive back to Dover, dispose of the bloody clothes (that haven't been found, from what i hear), and appear to be sleeping when his mother found him, where they went to pick up a friend, and then headed over to Nona's, "discover" (?) her dead, and called the cops.

Oh, yeah, a cold-blooded killer could work like that. But this is a kid who couldn't plan something like that. And to be so remorse at the funeral? Kevin wasn't the actor in the family. Quite frankly, i don't think he could act his way out of a paper bag.


The thought that terrifies me isn't Kevin walking. It's that the cops have the wrong guy, and are too afraid to admit it to the public. It will take a confession from Kevin before i'll believe he did it.

[FDInLaw]

The court date has been set, and it's still in Pope County.

That has to be the most tragic part of this case, with the local jury pool as corrupt as it is.

I am a firm prayer for justice for Nona, but not at the expense of another innocent person's life. I just don't think Kevin did it. That isn't to say i don't think he's capable of doing it, but there was just no way he would do it. And his mother is one of those people where she wouldn't lie to the cops to save her youngest.

Think about it:
They say there was a 3 hour window where Nona could have been killed. Kevin didn't have 3 hours. He had a one hour lunch break, driving from Dover to S. Inglewood (at noon, that's a very congested traffic pattern), get to her apartment, wait for her to undress (nix the socks), take a part a lamp, kill her, wipe the lamp clean (nix the light bulb), dispose of any evidence, drive back to Dover, dispose of the bloody clothes (that haven't been found, from what i hear), and appear to be sleeping when his mother found him, where they went to pick up a friend, and then headed over to Nona's, "discover" (?) her dead, and called the cops.

Oh, yeah, a cold-blooded killer could work like that. But this is a kid who couldn't plan something like that. And to be so remorse at the funeral? Kevin wasn't the actor in the family. Quite frankly, i don't think he could act his way out of a paper bag.


The thought that terrifies me isn't Kevin walking. It's that the cops have the wrong guy, and are too afraid to admit it to the public. It will take a confession from Kevin before i'll believe he did it.

Welcome to the board, Einfuhlung! It’s nice to have a new face and perspective! Some quick questions, where do you get the notion that Kevin only had one hour to commit the crime? Do you believe he was working that morning and only had a lunch break? So, Kevin was sleeping when his mom found him? Was that late afternoon before they left for the party? If Kevin was worried sick about Nona, it seems strange that he was sleeping, but then he may have had a late night the night before and some reason to explain the sleeping. Just my thoughts. It would be nice to be able to sketch Kevin’s activities that day in order to see if he did have opportunity or not.

[FDInLaw]

Just to keep converstaion going, here is a section of the probable cause statement. . .

The Medical Examiner has opined that the approximate time of Nona’s death was from approximately lO:OO to approximately 12:30. The last known contact Nona had with a person other than her killer occurred at 10:25 when she finished a phone conversation with a professor. During that 3 to 4 minute conversation, Nona confirmed to the professor that she was at her apartment. At 11:04, Nona received a text message which was apparently opened but not responded to by Nona. At 12:5 8 she received a text-message but it was neither opened nor responded to. Affiant believes that Nona was killed very soon after 11:04. The Medical Examiner stated that the homicide to include all non-lethal wounds could have been completed within a matter of minutes.


Kevin Jones was interviewed on December 15th and stated that Jones had last seen Nona at her apartment at approximately 00:3 0 on the 15th when he left her apartment and went to Jones’ parent’s home north of Dover to spend the night. He further stated that he called Nona at approximately 01:30 and talked for a few minutes before going to bed. He then stated he had received a text message from Nona at 09:07 on the 15 . He stated that he stayed at his house until 11:45 at which time he left for his parent’s gas station on Hwy 7 South of Dover. He stated he arrived at the station at noon and while there he talked with Blake Walters. Blake Walters was interviewed and stated that he did not see Jones at the Station until 13:00 on the 15th of December. Jones stated in his interview that he first tried to call Nona around 11:00 or 12:OO on the 15th and that Nona’s phone rang and went straight to voice mail. Affiant obtained the cell phone records for Nona’s phone and Jones’ phone and both sets of records show that the first call to Nona’s phone by Jones (after the very early morning call) was at 14:10. After that time Jones made several calls to Nona’s phone to include a text message at 16:28. Affiant obtained Nona’s phone and submitted it to the State Crime Lab for SIM card analysis. The Crime Lab determined that the text message from Jones to Nona at 16:28 read “U ALIVE”.


According to the statement above, there was really a two hour window (10:30-12:30) and it doesn't sound like Kevin Jones has an alibi for that time frame. This also jumped out at me; "The Medical Examiner stated that the homicide to include all non-lethal wounds could have been completed within a matter of minutes." It appears Kevin’s defense team will need to address the issue of opportunity IMO.

[dtbh]

The court date has been set, and it's still in Pope County.

That has to be the most tragic part of this case, with the local jury pool as corrupt as it is.

I am a firm prayer for justice for Nona, but not at the expense of another innocent person's life. I just don't think Kevin did it. That isn't to say i don't think he's capable of doing it, but there was just no way he would do it. And his mother is one of those people where she wouldn't lie to the cops to save her youngest.

Think about it:
They say there was a 3 hour window where Nona could have been killed. Kevin didn't have 3 hours. He had a one hour lunch break, driving from Dover to S. Inglewood (at noon, that's a very congested traffic pattern), get to her apartment, wait for her to undress (nix the socks), take a part a lamp, kill her, wipe the lamp clean (nix the light bulb), dispose of any evidence, drive back to Dover, dispose of the bloody clothes (that haven't been found, from what i hear), and appear to be sleeping when his mother found him, where they went to pick up a friend, and then headed over to Nona's, "discover" (?) her dead, and called the cops.

Oh, yeah, a cold-blooded killer could work like that. But this is a kid who couldn't plan something like that. And to be so remorse at the funeral? Kevin wasn't the actor in the family. Quite frankly, i don't think he could act his way out of a paper bag.


The thought that terrifies me isn't Kevin walking. It's that the cops have the wrong guy, and are too afraid to admit it to the public. It will take a confession from Kevin before i'll believe he did it.

Wow, are you talking about the same case? I don't think you have any of the correct information. Kevin not at actor? He's one of the best! His mom not lying for her baby boy? Spare me! She would lie to God if it would get Kevie baby off the hook. I'd like to hear where you get your information and opinions, because you are really off base. Kevin is a lying, manipulative, sociopathic murderer. You're fooling yourself if you don't believe it.

[FDInLaw]

Wow, are you talking about the same case? I don't think you have any of the correct information. Kevin not at actor? He's one of the best! His mom not lying for her baby boy? Spare me! She would lie to God if it would get Kevie baby off the hook. I'd like to hear where you get your information and opinions, because you are really off base. Kevin is a lying, manipulative, sociopathic murderer. You're fooling yourself if you don't believe it.


Gosh, dtbh! You don't mince words. . . you're going to scare the newbie off! Granted, some of their assertions had me scratching my head too. :cool:

[dtbh]

Gosh, dtbh! You don't mince words. . . you're going to scare the newbie off! Granted, some of their assertions had me scratching my head too. :cool:

I guess I flew off the handle a bit, but I'm so sick of the Kevin apologists and "groupies" whining about how "Kevin couldn't possibly have done it" with no logic behind it at all, other than "he's such a nice guy" "he loved Nona so much." I'm gonna be sick if I hear that bs again. Other nice guys in history--the btk guy, Jeffry Dahmer, etc. They couldn't possibly have done it either. If their mommies knew what they had done, I'm sure they would've turned them into the police, just like Kevin's mommy would do if she thought Kevie boy would do such a thing.

So, sorry, Einfuhlung--feel free to slobber on this page; I'll be sick in the privacy of my own bathroom when I read your garbage. By the way, don't turn your back on Kevie boy or his dad. You might get a floor lamp or a chair in the back of your head. Or don't you think a violent temper could possibly be an inherited characteristic (since you seem to live in dreamland)?

[annamarie]

Your response is so emotional/intense. Did you know Nona personally?

[annamarie]

Thanks for getting some facts out for the discussion. If a message was opened on her phone at 11:04, wouldn't that make the murder between then and 12:30?
The message Kevin Jones sent saying U Alive shouldn't be made such a big deal of. I send that message all the time to friends. Did the examiners check and see how many other times that particular message was sent over the course of their relationship?

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for getting some facts out for the discussion. If a message was opened on her phone at 11:04, wouldn't that make the murder between then and 12:30?
>SNIP<
That does seem to be the most likely time frame, but then, how can we know for sure that Nona was the one that opened her cell phone that last call? Is it not possible that she was killed before the call and her murderer was the one that opened her cell phone? This is probably not the most likely scenario, but I don’t think anything should be ruled without evidence. JMO

[annamarie]

I know a lot of what we discuss is conjecture- yes, someone other than Nona could have opened the cell phone. I am sure the police will have fingerprinted everything around. We won't know whose fingerprints were where until the trial :shrug:

[AbbyLou]

Hi everyone,
I just started reading this thread yesterday, and I am totally hooked. I didn't read any of the links yet, so I'm sorry if these questions have been answered elsewhere.
1. Do we know if the body was moved? If these is spatter evidence where she was found, and on her body, why was she nude downstairs? If she was moved to the living room (if I remember), was it so she was visible from the back door? This of course makes KJ look really bad, since he went right to the back door to check. Hey, were there blinds on the back door? I can see walking around nude, but not with the blinds open.
2. Do we know what kind of lock was on the front door? I have both a bolt (must have a key to lock) and a button lock on the door handle. Obviously, if the bolt was locked then it was someone with a key, if just the bolt then could have been anyone. I think KJ is the likely culprit, and it would make sense for him to claim he didn't carry the key with him to make it seem that he "couldn't" have locked the door behind him. Why wouldn't he carry the key? That doesn't make any sense to me. If door locked and NOT KJ, it should be easy to track down whomever else Nona would give a key to- someone she called/emailed/texted.
3. If the blow with the lamp was the fatal blow, why was there so much blood? From the throat wound? Would the throat bleed like that if her heart had stopped? I never really saw any detailed info about the wounds, but it sounded at one point as if her face had been beaten, also? Would someone who knew her well do that to depersonalize the situation? (I feel morbid asking these kinda questions.)
4. The only other "suspect" that came to my mind is whomever molested Nona. Did she ever name that person or press charges? I wonder if the upcoming pageant made the molester worry that with her platform, he would be identified. Seems like he would know he would be a suspect, though, and he obviously wouldn't have a key. It would kind of explain the nudity and no sexual assault, though. I would hope the police checked this angle, though, and maybe the molester is dead/in jail.

Anyway, just a few things I wondered as I read yesterday, and I imagine most won't be answered until the trial. If KJ did do it, seems relatively easy for him to also be nude at the time of the attack and then have access to a shower, hence no blood eveidence on his clothes/car. And I agree about Nona's friend who wrote about loving Kevin and never believing he was guilty- seemed off to me, also. I have close friends whose boyfriends/husbands I've known for years, and I can't imagine talking about them that way. Just a weird vibe.

[FDInLaw]

Hi everyone,
I just started reading this thread yesterday, and I am totally hooked. I didn't read any of the links yet, so I'm sorry if these questions have been answered elsewhere.
1. Do we know if the body was moved? If these is spatter evidence where she was found, and on her body, why was she nude downstairs? If she was moved to the living room (if I remember), was it so she was visible from the back door? This of course makes KJ look really bad, since he went right to the back door to check. Hey, were there blinds on the back door? I can see walking around nude, but not with the blinds open.
2. Do we know what kind of lock was on the front door? I have both a bolt (must have a key to lock) and a button lock on the door handle. Obviously, if the bolt was locked then it was someone with a key, if just the bolt then could have been anyone. I think KJ is the likely culprit, and it would make sense for him to claim he didn't carry the key with him to make it seem that he "couldn't" have locked the door behind him. Why wouldn't he carry the key? That doesn't make any sense to me. If door locked and NOT KJ, it should be easy to track down whomever else Nona would give a key to- someone she called/emailed/texted.
3. If the blow with the lamp was the fatal blow, why was there so much blood? From the throat wound? Would the throat bleed like that if her heart had stopped? I never really saw any detailed info about the wounds, but it sounded at one point as if her face had been beaten, also? Would someone who knew her well do that to depersonalize the situation? (I feel morbid asking these kinda questions.)
4. The only other "suspect" that came to my mind is whomever molested Nona. Did she ever name that person or press charges? I wonder if the upcoming pageant made the molester worry that with her platform, he would be identified. Seems like he would know he would be a suspect, though, and he obviously wouldn't have a key. It would kind of explain the nudity and no sexual assault, though. I would hope the police checked this angle, though, and maybe the molester is dead/in jail.

Anyway, just a few things I wondered as I read yesterday, and I imagine most won't be answered until the trial. If KJ did do it, seems relatively easy for him to also be nude at the time of the attack and then have access to a shower, hence no blood eveidence on his clothes/car. And I agree about Nona's friend who wrote about loving Kevin and never believing he was guilty- seemed off to me, also. I have close friends whose boyfriends/husbands I've known for years, and I can't imagine talking about them that way. Just a weird vibe.

Welcome to the board! Here is another section from the Probable Cause Statement, hopefully it will shed some light on the nature of the fatal blow;
Nona Dirksmeyer’s body was sent to the medical examiner’s office for autopsy. The autopsy was performed on the 19th of December 2005 and a final report was issued on the 16 day of March, 2006. The ME concluded that Nona’s death was a homicide caused by multiple blunt and sharp force injuries. Among the medical examiner’s findings was a large horizontally oriented laceration centered on the posterior occipital scalp directly in the midline which was four (4) inches below the top of the head and three (3) inches in length. The wound was associated with hemorrhage and contusion of the brain. Affiant was told by the ME that this injury was the lethal event and that it was caused by an object similar to and consistent with the base of the lamp which had Jones’ fingerprint on it.


It sounds to me like the base of the lamp caused a large wound and not just a bump or bruise. That would explain the amount of blood.

Regarding her former sexual abuse, to my knowledge, it was Nona's biological father and he has been dead for a least ten years.

Poor thing. . . rest in peace, Nona!

[annamarie]

You are like the GodFather of this case- thanks for all the posts and info.
I had never read before that Kevin Jones's fingerprint was on the lamp. Also, where did you read about her father being the person who sexually abused her? In the articles I have read it seems like her father and step father are intermingled. Would you know what her relationship with her step father is like?

[FDInLaw]

You are like the GodFather of this case- thanks for all the posts and info.
I had never read before that Kevin Jones's fingerprint was on the lamp. Also, where did you read about her father being the person who sexually abused her? In the articles I have read it seems like her father and step father are intermingled. Would you know what her relationship with her step father is like?

Russellville’s local paper, The Courier, did an article on the difficult things Nona had over come in her life. . . it did mention the time frame of the molestation but I can't seem to find the article (I remember it saying the molestation took place years ago). The part about her father was on another website but has since been deleted. I have heard it from several sources, but by all means don't take my word for it.

Regarding the step-father, from what I know, he was not in the picture long.

Sorry, I don't have any links to post. . . I'll keep looking.

[FDInLaw]

Just found this. . .

"Nona later told her mother, Carol Dipert, that the assaults by an adult male began in 1991, when she was 5, and continued for about five years."

http://huffcrimeblog.com/

[annamarie]

Thanks. I went back and read the Huff articles again. I have a close friend who was abused. She has shared her experiences and it was her father that was the abuser. Five is also the age a child goes to school and is more out of the home which can mean it was someone else. Also, the fact her mother did not know anything about strikes me as odd.
But that probably does not have much to do with the case. Unless the abuser was concerned he would be named during Nona's pageant stuff.
The other weird thing is how the step father has reacted, the quotes he has given. If he was not in the picture long like you say, his reaction seems a little over the top. Do you know if he was ever looked at as a suspect? Divorced? Does he have other children? What are his relationships like with them? What is his background?

[FDInLaw]

Thanks. I went back and read the Huff articles again. I have a close friend who was abused. She has shared her experiences and it was her father that was the abuser. Five is also the age a child goes to school and is more out of the home which can mean it was someone else. Also, the fact her mother did not know anything about strikes me as odd.
But that probably does not have much to do with the case. Unless the abuser was concerned he would be named during Nona's pageant stuff.
The other weird thing is how the step father has reacted, the quotes he has given. If he was not in the picture long like you say, his reaction seems a little over the top. Do you know if he was ever looked at as a suspect? Divorced? Does he have other children? What are his relationships like with them? What is his background?

Can you post the quotes that you find strange? Guess a lot of why a person responds the way they do depends on personality, level of stress and previous experiences. Having someone you know murdered would be unsettling period IMO. . . even if the step-father was only around a few years, he may have felt a sense of responsibility for Nona's safety like most parents. In the beginning a good number of people were questioned. I’m not sure if he was ever a suspect but I’m sure he was probably questioned. JMO

[FDInLaw]

You are like the GodFather of this case- thanks for all the posts and info. >SNIP<

Okay, so someone just wrote me an email and addressed me as the "GodFather." What is ironic is I hate those movies. Sure hope the nickname doesn't stick! There are a good number of folks that have been following the case since day one and know quite a bit. . . with the slow spell this case has hit, some of them have not been on here in awhile.

:cool:

[FDInLaw]

Thanks. I went back and read the Huff articles again. I have a close friend who was abused. She has shared her experiences and it was her father that was the abuser. Five is also the age a child goes to school and is more out of the home which can mean it was someone else. Also, the fact her mother did not know anything about strikes me as odd.
But that probably does not have much to do with the case. Unless the abuser was concerned he would be named during Nona's pageant stuff.
The other weird thing is how the step father has reacted, the quotes he has given. If he was not in the picture long like you say, his reaction seems a little over the top. Do you know if he was ever looked at as a suspect? Divorced? Does he have other children? What are his relationships like with them? What is his background?

Regarding the number of children the step-father has, take a look at Nona's obituary, it seems to indicate a son and two daughters:

http://www.atkinschronicle.com/nonadirksmeyer.htm

[annamarie]

Sorry about the GodFather reference:o I'm not a fan of those movies either.
Thanks for the link to to obit. I had tried a link when first reading this case and it said it had expired(but I could pay to see it and I am just a poor college student).
It was a surprise to see Kevin Jones listed as a survivor and her fiance'. From what I have read on this post was the police believed he was a suspect almost fromt he begining. It would be interesting to know if the family did, it seems I read something about that.
I better go back to the start and re-read stuff, it is all running together. I will get those quotes I thought strange also.

[FDInLaw]

Sorry about the GodFather reference:o I'm not a fan of those movies either.
Thanks for the link to to obit. I had tried a link when first reading this case and it said it had expired(but I could pay to see it and I am just a poor college student).
It was a surprise to see Kevin Jones listed as a survivor and her fiance'. From what I have read on this post was the police believed he was a suspect almost fromt he begining. It would be interesting to know if the family did, it seems I read something about that.
I better go back to the start and re-read stuff, it is all running together. I will get those quotes I thought strange also.

A family member would have submitted the obituary, and, as you suggest, the fact that Kevin is listed is an indicator that the family did not suspect him IMO. Nona's Mom Carol has made public statements about being surprised to find out Kevin was the main suspect. Here's a quote from a Courier article;

"Both of Nona's parents said they would have never imagined Jones could have possibly been a suspect.
"He was the last person I thought would be a suspect," Carol said.
The Diperts not only endured Nona's tragedy, but they buried her knowing her longtime boyfriend was a suspect, and they couldn't say anything about it."
http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=10803&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

[dtbh]

Thanks. I went back and read the Huff articles again. I have a close friend who was abused. She has shared her experiences and it was her father that was the abuser. Five is also the age a child goes to school and is more out of the home which can mean it was someone else. Also, the fact her mother did not know anything about strikes me as odd.
But that probably does not have much to do with the case. Unless the abuser was concerned he would be named during Nona's pageant stuff.
The other weird thing is how the step father has reacted, the quotes he has given. If he was not in the picture long like you say, his reaction seems a little over the top. Do you know if he was ever looked at as a suspect? Divorced? Does he have other children? What are his relationships like with them? What is his background?

From what I have read about parental child abuse, it is fairly common that the innocent spouse does not know about it. And, the child usually does not tell, either, because of the fear that the innocent spouse supports the molestor rather than the child. Sometimes they don't believe the child.

Nona's biological father died 8 or so years ago and from what I read in one article, her mom had no idea Nona was being molested until she heard it from the mother of one of Nona's friends several years after her husband (Nona's father) had died. But, like I said, it's fairly common that one spouse not know about it. What's really scarey is how common child sexual molestation really is! I was in a class once and the instructor asked how many women had been molested as kids. I bet about 1/2 of them raised their hands. I almost fell out of my seat in suprise; my hair on the back of my neck stood up. I still remember how shocked I was.

I think Nona's step father is a widower and has several kids of his own.

[FDInLaw]

Sorry about the GodFather reference:o I'm not a fan of those movies either.
Thanks for the link to to obit. I had tried a link when first reading this case and it said it had expired(but I could pay to see it and I am just a poor college student).
It was a surprise to see Kevin Jones listed as a survivor and her fiance'. From what I have read on this post was the police believed he was a suspect almost fromt he begining. It would be interesting to know if the family did, it seems I read something about that.
I better go back to the start and re-read stuff, it is all running together. I will get those quotes I thought strange also.

Yesterday I attempted to send you a private message, and noticed you have this function off. This is just one of several cases I follow, and on other threads I have found that you can learn more about a case behind the scenes than on the actual thread. In one case I was told the full name of the suspect over a week before the arrest. Mind you, anything you hear from a stranger should be questioned and verified. It is true though, folks will tell you more in private than they will post publicly.

:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

He had a one hour lunch break, driving from Dover to S. Inglewood (at noon, that's a very congested traffic pattern)

Welcome to this board! :seeya:

I was just wondering which roads in this area would be "very congested"? I have lived in the area, and while some times were busier than others, I didn't ever see a traffic situation that I would call very congested.

[Hoodwinked]

You are like the GodFather of this case- thanks for all the posts and info.
I had never read before that Kevin Jones's fingerprint was on the lamp. Also, where did you read about her father being the person who sexually abused her? In the articles I have read it seems like her father and step father are intermingled. Would you know what her relationship with her step father is like?

The fingerprint is a huge part of the case against him from what I have read. He told police he didn't touch anything in the aprtment except Nina when he "found" her and I believe it was a bloody fingerprint. The friend that was with him said he didn't touch the lamp when they "found" Nona.

I have to agree with Hawgustus. I wouldn't use the term "congested" to describe any street in Russellville.

[FDInLaw]

One detail that would be interesting to know is the direction of the fingerprint. . . obviously, the lamp must have been turned up-side down when the fatal blow was rendered. The placement of the print will be important IMO.

[annamarie]

Sorry I have not been able to stay online as much. Finals- ugh!!! I think I checked the right thing to start receiving private messages or e-mails. Please try again! Thanks for your help/interest.

[FDInLaw]

Sorry I have not been able to stay online as much. Finals- ugh!!! I think I checked the right thing to start receiving private messages or e-mails. Please try again! Thanks for your help/interest.

Check your messages now.

Good luck with finals!

:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13319

[dtbh]

The lady who printed "Justice for Nona" bumper stickers (her name is Connie Goff), as well as Nona's mom, will be in front of Hobby Lobby (Russellville) today from 2 pm until.... Bumper stickers are free.

Today is Saturday, December 16, exactly 1 month until Killer K goes on trial. Maybe Kevin will want to stop by to get some bumper stickers, since he and his groupies keep telling us he's innocent! Wouldn't he want justice for Nona, too, in that case?

I have to laugh at those who say they want justice for Nona, yet maintain Kevin is innocent. If Killer Kevin gets off at the trial, the cops are not going to be making any other arrests!! See any similarity with the OJ case? There was a case recently on crime tv where the mother absolutely would not believe her son killed someone, in spite of dna evidence, and the fact that he had some kind of rare dna.

[Amy]

I was kind of confused about the post from Einfuhlung--about the one hour lunch time. I tho't he hadn't been at work yet that day, some discrepancies about when he supposedly HAD been seen in town (he said he was at a specific place, people there said it was a later time.)

Guess I should go back to the first posts with all that info.

[annamarie]

The wonderful thing about the US justice system is that a person is innocent until proven guilty. The trial should bring out the facts for the jury to decide.
The way you write/talk makes you sound no different than those you are saying you laugh at. You even refer to the defendent as Killer Kevin.
Do you have information you can share here that makesd you so certain?
Are you close tot he family?
Why are you so, excuse me for being frank, beligerent about this?

[dtbh]

The wonderful thing about the US justice system is that a person is innocent until proven guilty. The trial should bring out the facts for the jury to decide.
The way you write/talk makes you sound no different than those you are saying you laugh at. You even refer to the defendent as Killer Kevin.
Do you have information you can share here that makesd you so certain?
Are you close tot he family?
Why are you so, excuse me for being frank, beligerent about this?

Ahh, the wonderful thing about the US justice system....I guess I just feel more empathy towards the victims's family and friends than the criminal or his family and friends (and I don't consider Kevin to be the victim in this case). This will be the 2nd Christmas Nona's family has missed with her, while good old Kevin is out there living it up, hoping to fool enough jurors to at least get a mistrial, if not a verdict of innocent. It doesn't take much more "information" than has already been released to make a reasonable person certain of who the killer is in this case. It's just too bad it has to drag on for so long before the trial. Like I said, there will be no other arrests because the cops are certain they have the killer--just as in the OJ case. Oh, the US justice system is just "wonderful"........thanks for the chuckle!

[annamarie]

I am sorry, you must be close to the family. You obviously have an issue with Kevin Jones as their is no objectivity on your part.
I thought this thread was supposed to be for people interested in solving the case. You believe so firmly in Kevin Jones' guilt that it appears in your mind he is guilty even before he has gone before a jury of his peers and the evidence is displayed.:shrug:
Again, I know I am new but these are just my observations.:shrug:

[FDInLaw]

So, what happened to our new poster? I would really like to know where the idea that Kevin only had one hour came from. Their personal conviction that Kevin is innocent did seem mostly based on feelings rather than facts, but to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I understand where Einfuhlung is coming from. Obviously, there must be more than one story out there and I'm curious to know where Einfuhlung got his/hers.

[annamarie]

As I re read the Courier articles (thank you guys for the links) a couple more questions have come to mind. The police told Nona's family the night before the funeral that Kevin was a suspect but they did not charge him for over a couple of months after that. Why would they even say anything that early on if charges were not imminent? If they were so sure?
I think the prosecutors might not have had evidence to prove it. dtbh said free bumper stickers about the case are being handed out at different places in that town. Stuff like that can put pressure on an elected prosecutor to try a case, whether it is strong or not, rather than face not getting re elected.
Its like the guy in California charged with the murder of the 5 fire fighters, The people there understandably want justice for those lives, but the only evidence officials have on him is that he was charged in the past for some small brush fire.

Another thing bothering me are the comments made by Nona's mother in a courier article from April-
Carol Dipert said Kevin and Nona had been in a relationship for about five years and had planned on getting married.
"Nona told me that marriage was something they wanted to do, and Kevin wanted to wait to get a ring that Nona could be proud of," Carol said. "I liked Kevin, and through the years, I looked at him like he was my son."
Would there have been nothing that told her Kevin had this potential?

I don't know, something doesn't feel right.

[FDInLaw]

As I re read the Courier articles (thank you guys for the links) a couple more questions have come to mind. The police told Nona's family the night before the funeral that Kevin was a suspect but they did not charge him for over a couple of months after that. Why would they even say anything that early on if charges were not imminent? If they were so sure?
I think the prosecutors might not have had evidence to prove it. dtbh said free bumper stickers about the case are being handed out at different places in that town. Stuff like that can put pressure on an elected prosecutor to try a case, whether it is strong or not, rather than face not getting re elected.
Its like the guy in California charged with the murder of the 5 fire fighters, The people there understandably want justice for those lives, but the only evidence officials have on him is that he was charged in the past for some small brush fire.

Another thing bothering me are the comments made by Nona's mother in a courier article from April-
Carol Dipert said Kevin and Nona had been in a relationship for about five years and had planned on getting married.
"Nona told me that marriage was something they wanted to do, and Kevin wanted to wait to get a ring that Nona could be proud of," Carol said. "I liked Kevin, and through the years, I looked at him like he was my son."
Would there have been nothing that told her Kevin had this potential?

I don't know, something doesn't feel right.

The nature of Kevin and Nona's relationship raises a lot of questions in my mind. I really question whether or not they were seriously considering marriage. I mean, what else would a girl tell her Mom about a guy she was dating for five years? Mind you, they could have been serious, but I really wonder if the topic came up because their families would have expected it to. This sort of thing happens all the time, young folks tell their parents all sorts of things just to make them happy. Just my thoughts.

From what I understand, the crime labs were backed up and the prosecutor wanted to wait to get the results back before making the arrest.

[annamarie]

Understood. The mother states she knew Kevin for 5 years and was shocked to hear what the police told her. Murder is pretty serious. More often than not it seems people say "he had a dark side" "he has been depressed for awhile" "he kept to himself". But she says none of that and this was her daughters fiance', someone she said felt like her son. The step father and brother are the ones that speak out with any negative slant in the articles.
All that said, the bottom line will be what are the forensics and facts- What proof is there to convict Kevin Jones and- What motive did Kevin Jones have. The prosecutors will have to convince a jury.
It is interesting that the judge ruled not to allow the trial be moved and instead enforce a gag order.
What is the population of the area? How much will these actions help a fair trial?

[annamarie]

Is it possible for one of you guys in the area to put some type map or list the streets involved so I can MapQuest them?

[FDInLaw]

Is it possible for one of you guys in the area to put some type map or list the streets involved so I can MapQuest them?


Here is Nona's address as stated in the probable cause statement: "On the 15th of December, 2005, Affiant was notified at approximately 18:45 that RPD officers had responded to Apt. 12, Inglewood Apartments located at 1006 South Inglewood in Russellville, Arkansas."

Kevin lives in Dover, Arkansas. Since the arrest the Jones have sold the gas station, I believe it is this one. . . http://local.yahoo.com/details?fr=dd-local-tl3&id=18434110&stx=gas+station&csz=Dover+AR&ed=shW.Pa160SwMQhCehSW7chluW5a23xMDrAUptTyxEyJGYT5 UREHdyNEqgaO8TPXHVOse

Hope this helps. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1206/380404.html

[FDInLaw]

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5822191

[Brainstorm]

I also have became totally hooked on this tragic story.I have started at the beginning reading the posts,links and opinions.I'm making notes to familiarize myself with the characters.Some of the links I can't access,like yuppie trash,was closed down.I'm sure I'll come across this as I get further along but I'm wondering if this trail will be on court tv.I noticed the date is set for.Jan.16,IIRC.Could someone catch me up on that? FDInLaw,I enjoy your very informative and knowledgeable posts.

Brainstorm

MOO MHO

[FDInLaw]

I also have became totally hooked on this tragic story.I have started at the beginning reading the posts,links and opinions.I'm making notes to familiarize myself with the characters.Some of the links I can't access,like yuppie trash,was closed down.I'm sure I'll come across this as I get further along but I'm wondering if this trail will be on court tv.I noticed the date is set for.Jan.16,IIRC.Could someone catch me up on that? FDInLaw,I enjoy your very informative and knowledgeable posts.

Brainstorm

MOO MHO

To my knowledge, the trial will not be on court tv. . . this may be a good question for Freshwater though.

[annamarie]

The kfsm/global article stated that the news station heard less than a week after Nona's murder that "all but one person had been cleared of her murder".
That is not a long time for investigating and interviewing.
I know it took over a month to charge the person because other evidence was at the state ctime lab. But 6 days before the police's minds were made up?
What do the rest of you think?

[FDInLaw]

The kfsm/global article stated that the news station heard less than a week after Nona's murder that "all but one person had been cleared of her murder".
That is not a long time for investigating and interviewing.
I know it took over a month to charge the person because other evidence was at the state ctime lab. But 6 days before the police's minds were made up?
What do the rest of you think?


Guess it all comes down to WHY the RPD came to that conclusion so fast. The fact that the prosecutor was in no hurry to make an arrest speaks a great deal to me. He is no greenhorn. . . Gibbons does not sign arrest warrants without looking at every possible suspect first, at least that is my impression. Sure, there have been rumors about sloppy police work and other suspects. . . we'll see if Kevin's defense can back any of those up with facts during the trial. For gosh sake, at one point the whole town was up in arms over the rumors about Bubba Turner. . . so much so that a statement was released. There are folks out there that are desperate to get the focus off Kevin and on to anyone else they possibly can. . . some of them have done so on here. I'm looking forward to the trial and hearing the actual evidence in the case. Rumors run rampant, but facts are harder to come by. JMO

[annamarie]

Agreed FDInLaw. Facts are what this will rest on. I have not read anything about motive from the prosecutors side though.
Who is Bubba Turner or was that just a made up name?

[Brainstorm]

Agreed FDInLaw. Facts are what this will rest on. I have not read anything about motive from the prosecutors side though.
Who is Bubba Turner or was that just a made up name?

IIRC Bubba is the mayor's son.Correct me if I'm wrong.I'm still reading all the early post.VERY interesting reading.



MOO
Brainstorm

[woopig_sooie]

hey all, I've been reading this thread for a few weeks now. I finally joined up today.
Is it possible for one of you guys in the area to put some type map or list the streets involved so I can MapQuest them?
I used to live very near Nona's apartments, and from there to the road that Kevin lives on (north of dover) is roughly a 25-30 minute drive. I thought this might help some of you that were questioning the "congestion" of the streets of Russellville.

The Gas Station is about 10-15 minutes closer to Nona's than Kevin's residence.

[FDInLaw]

Agreed FDInLaw. Facts are what this will rest on. I have not read anything about motive from the prosecutors side though.
Who is Bubba Turner or was that just a made up name?

You are right, there has been little or no official talk about motive, and many eagerly wait to hear more about why Kevin would have done such a horrendous thing.

No, I wasn’t trying to be humorous (remember this is Arkansas). . . Bubba Turner is the son of Russellville’s Mayor. Here is the story I referred to: http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=10466&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

[FDInLaw]

hey all, I've been reading this thread for a few weeks now. I finally joined up today.

I used to live very near Nona's apartments, and from there to the road that Kevin lives on (north of dover) is roughly a 25-30 minute drive. I thought this might help some of you that were questioning the "congestion" of the streets of Russellville.

Welcome to the board! :seeya:

[annamarie]

Why would anyone do this? It has not been proven Kevin Jones did it.:shrug:

[Brainstorm]

Hi annamarie,check back to post #62.I felt like someone was just throwing a monkey wrench in to divert attention away from Kevin Jones.

MOO
Brainstorm

[annamarie]

I was referring to FDInLaw's remark...

"...and many eagerly wait to hear more about why Kevin would have done such a horrendous thing. "

[annamarie]

Understand what you are saying Brainstorm.

[FDInLaw]

Why would anyone do this? It has not been proven Kevin Jones did it.:shrug:

No, Kevin has not been convicted of murder in a court of law. My opinion is obvious. . . I do believe Kevin Jones is guilty and deserves the maximum sentence possible. I am anxious to hear more about the evidence and am not closed to the possibility that I am wrong. However, from my research, at this point I do believe he is the one responsible for Nona's death. I have been following this case for a year. . . forgive me for being presumptuous, but I don't know anyone that has been following the case that long that has not formed an opinion. :cool:

[annamarie]

Well said FDInLaw, you have followed it quite a bit longer than any currently on the blog.
But I am a stickler for innoncent until proven guilty. Having served on a jury(nothing this serious) I had an opportunity to see firsthand the importance of following the judges instructions to not pre judge but listen to all the evidence before deciding. I have faith in the jury system for the most part. And please don't anyone quote the OJ case again!!:patriot:

[FDInLaw]

Well said FDInLaw, you have followed it quite a bit longer than any currently on the blog.
But I am a stickler for innoncent until proven guilty. Having served on a jury(nothing this serious) I had an opportunity to see firsthand the importance of following the judges instructions to not pre judge but listen to all the evidence before deciding. I have faith in the jury system for the most part. And please don't anyone quote the OJ case again!!:patriot:

Well, don't worry. . . there is no way I'll end up on the jury! :seeya:

[Amy]

As I re read the Courier articles (thank you guys for the links) a couple more questions have come to mind. The police told Nona's family the night before the funeral that Kevin was a suspect but they did not charge him for over a couple of months after that. Why would they even say anything that early on if charges were not imminent? If they were so sure?
I think the prosecutors might not have had evidence to prove it. dtbh said free bumper stickers about the case are being handed out at different places in that town. Stuff like that can put pressure on an elected prosecutor to try a case, whether it is strong or not, rather than face not getting re elected.
Its like the guy in California charged with the murder of the 5 fire fighters, The people there understandably want justice for those lives, but the only evidence officials have on him is that he was charged in the past for some small brush fire.

Another thing bothering me are the comments made by Nona's mother in a courier article from April-
Carol Dipert said Kevin and Nona had been in a relationship for about five years and had planned on getting married.
"Nona told me that marriage was something they wanted to do, and Kevin wanted to wait to get a ring that Nona could be proud of," Carol said. "I liked Kevin, and through the years, I looked at him like he was my son."
Would there have been nothing that told her Kevin had this potential?

I don't know, something doesn't feel right.


I think it is pretty SOP for the LE to take the victim's family in their confidence about the progress they are making on the case....and I assume request their not going public with it. It seems in most of the cases I have followed that the victim's family has pretty much kept the info to themselves.

I also think that, with widely publisized cases, there have been accusations of rush to judgement, there have been some costly mistakes been made. I think they wanted to make sure they had the right stuff, that they COULD make an airtight case.

IIRC, I think the DA was the one who put things on a back burner while he finished a case (so he could pursue the LE evidence with undivided attention) cuz there was an article or two written about that.

I don't think there is going to be any push for them to rush for a trial. It's set for February, or is it April? (I get all those trial dates confused.) The elections for this year are over, so there would be no heat there. I don't even know if any of the elected official positions (as judge, DA) were up for the election this year in that town/county.

As for her Mom not knowing that Kevin could be capable of such a thing? I don't think Sharon Rocha tho't her sil could have done that and she had known him for at least 5 years. I don't think Lori Hacking's Mom tho't HER sil could have killed her daughter, and she knew him for many years. There are a lot mothers whose sil or the daughter's b/f killed their daughter, and would NEVER have suspected him. (Altho there do seem to be plenty who would suspect the hubby, s/o from the get-go, and rightly so.)

A comment I have made, and have seen others post is, so many times when there has been a murder and the husband/wife is arrested, so many IN THE FAMILY, and in the neighborhood are SO surprised, because the couple looked like such a happy couple, everyone would comment on how the accused doted on the spouse (and children,) etc etc etc.

[Amy]

The kfsm/global article stated that the news station heard less than a week after Nona's murder that "all but one person had been cleared of her murder".
That is not a long time for investigating and interviewing.
I know it took over a month to charge the person because other evidence was at the state ctime lab. But 6 days before the police's minds were made up?
What do the rest of you think?

Because they had followed all the clues from talking with family, friends, neighbors, and came up with nothing else. The detectives seem to work some mighty long hours during an investigation. I don't know how many detectives were on the case, but more than one det, I would think, would be doing the interviews, so it seems they could indeed cover a bit of ground in interviews. If those interviews do NOT turn up leads to follow, they would then spend their time on the ones that DID turn up leads. Sounds like all their "leads" pointed in one direction by the end of the first week. IMO.

Seems this fellow also was the only one who did not pass the lie detector test. I think that is how it was reported in the paper, not that they named names at the time, but there was only one who failed the LD.

Besides, I don't think they had absolutely closed their minds to anyone else being the murderer...and most police, I think, would continue to follow up any other leads that would come up later. Like the DA said, they wanted to make sure of their case before they arrested someone. I think most LE would rather have the guy who committed the crime pay the time, not just anyone who was handy to pick on.

[Amy]

IIRC Bubba is the mayor's son.Correct me if I'm wrong.I'm still reading all the early post.VERY interesting reading.



MOO
Brainstorm

Yeah, I had forgotten about him. I do think it was the mayor's son. Or at least the son of a town big wig.

[Amy]

Well said FDInLaw, you have followed it quite a bit longer than any currently on the blog.
But I am a stickler for innoncent until proven guilty. Having served on a jury(nothing this serious) I had an opportunity to see firsthand the importance of following the judges instructions to not pre judge but listen to all the evidence before deciding. I have faith in the jury system for the most part. And please don't anyone quote the OJ case again!!:patriot:

Of course, in a court of law, Kevin Jones is innocent until proven guilty. But, on message boards, we are allowed to speculate and form opinions about what information we are privy to. Which, in this case, and actually several more on the CTV boards, information is pretty hard to come by since LE seems to be taking the high road (and rightly so) to not make this a media circus and be accused of having the case tried in the media.

If we weren't allowed to speculate and discuss and form opinions, these boards would be well, blah. I like the exchange of information, with posters in the area where the crime is committed providing what information comes out in the news (or wherever the information comes from) and the discussions about why one poster thinks Mr A committed the crime, and why another thinks it must be Mr B, but certainly not Mr A.

IMO, LE must have some mighty powerful evidence against Kevin Jones, and it was thoroughly scrutinized by a DA who does NOT want errors made in this case. So, I would have to be of the opinion that they most likely got their man, but I am also willing to listen to the actual evidence provided on both sides during the trial. Who knows, I might change my mind then. Or not. ;)

[Amy]

hey all, I've been reading this thread for a few weeks now. I finally joined up today.

I used to live very near Nona's apartments, and from there to the road that Kevin lives on (north of dover) is roughly a 25-30 minute drive. I thought this might help some of you that were questioning the "congestion" of the streets of Russellville.

The Gas Station is about 10-15 minutes closer to Nona's than Kevin's residence.


Wecome aboard!!! Are you still in the area? We welcome information from folks who are near the area and can get news that the rest of us don't. Of course, from the article FDInlaw posted to day, seems the newspaper says, other than noting the annerversary of the murder, there won't be anymore information from then til the trial starts.

[Brainstorm]

Good posts Amy and annamarie !! I thought the trial was set for Jan.I'll admit I've been reading the earlier posts instead of the more recent ones so I probably missed something.Has the date been changed? I'm ready for them to "Git it on"!!
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MOO

[FDInLaw]

Good posts Amy and annamarie !! I thought the trial was set for Jan.I'll admit I've been reading the earlier posts instead of the more recent ones so I probably missed something.Has the date been changed? I'm ready for them to "Git it on"!!
brainstorm
MOO

It's great to get on here and find several new posts. . . it's been awhile!

The trial is still set to start January 16th as far as I know. Anyone hear different?

[annamarie]

ok, ok, agreed it is good for all of us to share opinions and maybe even come to conlcusions. I guess I am reacting a bit to some of the harsher ones saying anyone who thinks Kevin Jones isn't guilty is crazy(my paraphrase).
You guys have to tell me what some of the acronyms mean. What is IIRC?

Lie detector tests are not allowed in court so does it matter if someone passes or fails one? Why?

[Brainstorm]

Annamarie, IIRC is If I Remember Correctly
Don't feel bad,I'm new also and just recently discovered what avatars are!!
I felt quite foolish.I will probably have to ask other questions also.
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MOO,IMHO

[woopig_sooie]

Wecome aboard!!! Are you still in the area? We welcome information from folks who are near the area and can get news that the rest of us don't. Of course, from the article FDInlaw posted to day, seems the newspaper says, other than noting the annerversary of the murder, there won't be anymore information from then til the trial starts.I graduated from ATU 3 years ago, but I still live near Russellville. There hasn't been any updates in the news in quite a while. I assume thats due to the gag order.

However, I can tell you that I have a gut feeling that Kevin is innocent. There are too many descepencies in the information that has been made public. Many have been mentioned on here, but one that stands out to me that I didn't see on this forum is that in the beginning, Kevin was the prime suspect due to the fact that he was only one of three or so people that had a key to Nona's apartment. Well in the probable cause statement, an officer stated that the back sliding door (usually reinforced with a stick to keep it locked) was easliy opened with alittle force. This with the fact that it cannot be proven that only 3 people had a key, leves quite a bit of doubt in my mind.

[annamarie]

What I am trieing to say is that sometimes I think the desire to find the guilty person, or to avenge the victim can over ride stuff and cause a "rush to judgement". One of my professors from down here used to teach at the college up there. I have been discussing this blog with him. (yes I want an A!)
Anyway, he told me about another case from up there that I think goes to what I am talking about.

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=4927
http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=4934
http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=4933

[FDInLaw]

I graduated from ATU 3 years ago, but I still live near Russellville. There hasn't been any updates in the news in quite a while. I assume thats due to the gag order.

However, I can tell you that I have a gut feeling that Kevin is innocent. There are too many descepencies in the information that has been made public. Many have been mentioned on here, but one that stands out to me that I didn't see on this forum is that in the beginning, Kevin was the prime suspect due to the fact that he was only one of three or so people that had a key to Nona's apartment. Well in the probable cause statement, an officer stated that the back sliding door (usually reinforced with a stick to keep it locked) was easliy opened with alittle force. This with the fact that it cannot be proven that only 3 people had a key, leves quite a bit of doubt in my mind.

Where do you get the idea that Kevin was the prime suspect merely because he had a key? You are right though, with no sign of rape or robbery the murderer is most likely someone that knew Nona. . . someone she may have willing let in her apartment.

[annamarie]

Do you think lie detector tests are infallible?

[annamarie]

"How accurate is a polygraph?
While the polygraph technique is highly accurate, it is not infallible and errors can occur. According to the American Polygraph Association over 250 studies have been conducted on the accuracy of polygraph testing during the past 25 years. Recent research reveals that the accuracy of the new computerized polygraph stytem is close to 100%.
Most errors occur with inexperienced polygraph examiners. Just as one doctor can look at an x-ray, and not see a problem, while the next, more experienced doctor can, so it goes with polygraph charts." from..
http://www.truthorlie.com/accurate.html

Do we know who performed the tests on the suspects in this case?

[annamarie]

Woopig_sooie/FDInLaw - the probable cause statement stated...

"(Affiant’s investigation revealed that only three people had keys to Nona’s apartment: Nona, Nona’s mom, and Jones). "
and further ...
"From Jones’ description and the experiments done by affiant with the sliding door, affiant believes that at the time Nona’s body was discovered, the door was locked from the inside using the locking mechanism but not braced by an object at the bottom of the door. Therefore, at the time of the discovery of Nona’s body, Affiant’s investigation indicates that both doors were locked and there was no evidence of forced entry into the apartment."

This could be interrupted that the affiant concluded that only someone with a key could have entered. Since it was stated earlier that Nona's mother was never a suspect, that would narrow the prime suspect status to Kevin Jones.

[FDInLaw]

Woopig_sooie/FDInLaw - the probable cause statement stated...

"(Affiant’s investigation revealed that only three people had keys to Nona’s apartment: Nona, Nona’s mom, and Jones). "
and further ...
"From Jones’ description and the experiments done by affiant with the sliding door, affiant believes that at the time Nona’s body was discovered, the door was locked from the inside using the locking mechanism but not braced by an object at the bottom of the door. Therefore, at the time of the discovery of Nona’s body, Affiant’s investigation indicates that both doors were locked and there was no evidence of forced entry into the apartment."

This could be interrupted that the affiant concluded that only someone with a key could have entered. Since it was stated earlier that Nona's mother was never a suspect, that would narrow the prime suspect status to Kevin Jones.

Just because the doors were locked when they found Nona, doesn't necessarily mean they were locked when the perpetrator entered. Is it possible that the perpetrator locked the doors to delay someone finding her?

[annamarie]

Possible but it still goes to woo pig's point that Jones was the main suspect because he was a holder of a key. The affiant specifically noted that in paranthesis (for specific effect) prior to other items.

Woo pig- thoughts?

[FDInLaw]

Possible but it still goes to woo pig's point that Jones was the main suspect because he was a holder of a key. The affiant specifically noted that in paranthesis (for specific effect) prior to other items.

Woo pig- thoughts?

The probably cause statement does not state anywhere, that at any time, Kevin Jones was the main suspect on the bases of his key holder status alone.

[woopig_sooie]

The probably cause statement does not state anywhere, that at any time, Kevin Jones was the main suspect on the bases of his key holder status alone.You're right, it was due to the fact that he was the boyfriend, he was one of 3 key holders, and he acted odd when at the time the body was discoverd (touching the blood to see if it was fresh). I never intended to say that he was the primary suspect based solely on the fact that he was a key holder. I guess my previous posts led you to believe different.

However, I still feel that he is innocent of this crime.

[FDInLaw]

According to this, there were 6 persons of interest and Kevin was not considered the number one suspect in the beginning.

"Frost said although he has heard rumors about the public believing the RPD centered its investigation on Jones, he clarified there were at least six "persons of interest" in the beginning.
"I'll be honest, when I first get to a scene, I formulate ideas and theories," he said, noting he must always remain objective. "But to sit here and tell you I didn't think this (crime scene) was staged or that something wasn't right would be a lie, because I did."
"But I will tell you, the boyfriend -- even though I wanted to talk to him -- he was not No. 1 on my list. He only became No. 1 after evidence was confirmed. I did not jump on the boyfriend bandwagon." "

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=11603&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

[FDInLaw]

You're right, it was due to the fact that he was the boyfriend, he was one of 3 key holders, and he acted odd when at the time the body was discoverd (touching the blood to see if it was fresh). I never intended to say that he was the primary suspect based solely on the fact that he was a key holder. I guess my previous posts led you to believe different.

However, I still feel that he is innocent of this crime.


Unfortunately for Kevin, the list of reasons does not stop there. His bloody palm and finger prints on the suspected murder weapon, the phone call he claimed to make but did not, also the total lack of an alibi and that witness say he arrived at the gas station at 1pm not at noon like he claimed, all paint a bad picture IMO. Any one of these things can be picked apart and an argument made in Kevin's defense. For one, who really knows how they would act if they came upon a dead loved one like that. Kevin shouldn't be convicted just because some of his behavior seems bizarre. I just have a hard time believing it all can be explained away. There just seems to be too many things that point to his involvement. JMO

[woopig_sooie]

According to this, there were 6 persons of interest and Kevin was not considered the number one suspect in the beginning.

"Frost said although he has heard rumors about the public believing the RPD centered its investigation on Jones, he clarified there were at least six "persons of interest" in the beginning.
"I'll be honest, when I first get to a scene, I formulate ideas and theories," he said, noting he must always remain objective. "But to sit here and tell you I didn't think this (crime scene) was staged or that something wasn't right would be a lie, because I did."
"But I will tell you, the boyfriend -- even though I wanted to talk to him -- he was not No. 1 on my list. He only became No. 1 after evidence was confirmed. I did not jump on the boyfriend bandwagon." "

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=11603&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer
Ok, so there were 6 suspects in the beginning. That doesn't refute the doubt in my mind of Kevin's guilt. There could still be more than 3 keys out there, and don't forget the fact that you don't need a key to open the sliding back door if the stick is not in place to reinforce it.

I think you're getting to hung up on my choice of words and not my point.

[FDInLaw]

Ok, so there were 6 suspects in the beginning. That doesn't refute the doubt in my mind of Kevin's guilt. There could still be more than 3 keys out there, and don't forget the fact that you don't need a key to open the sliding back door if the stick is not in place to reinforce it.

I think you're getting to hung up on my choice of words and not my point.

Well, regardless of the number of keys, we do not know for sure that a key was needed for the perpetrator to get in. I wasn't trying to come at you. . . I agreed with you above and stated that if the murder knew Nona she may have willing let them in. The fact that Kevin had a key does not make him guilty. And, like you suggest, how do we know for sure that Nona did not give a copy of a key to someone else.

[annamarie]

You do get caught up on small things some times and miss points FDInLaw. I know you have been fllowing the case awhile but give us newcomers some space. I put another part of the article you linked this which goes to a point I was trying to make before, the "rush to judgement". Det Frost is quoted in the article below as saying it takes time but 6 days after the murder he told the Nona's family that Jones was the the one-

"And we didn't just single someone out, saying, 'You did it,'" he noted. "We're saying 'You did it, and this is why we think you did it.' We're not pulling a name out of a hat."
Frost went on to explain why the case was not as easy as some of the public thought it should have been.

"It's been a difficult case to work, mainly because only one person knows exactly what went on that day," he said. "We don't have multiple witnesses to the crime who could tell us who did it -- we have one. And if that one person doesn't want to tell us what happened, we're never going to know exactly what did happen. All we can do is have a good idea. And I can tell you, we have a very good idea of what went on. And we'll just go from there." [/I[I]]"Basically what you have is a big jigsaw puzzle," he said, as he compared the murder case to a million-piece puzzle. "So, you take those million pieces, open the box and dump it. Then we had to piece it all together to make it fit the picture. But the thing is, we didn't know what the picture was.
"So you just slowly start piecing together information from interviews, evidence obtained from the crime scene, the medical examiner's report, and eventually, a picture starts forming."

[annamarie]

Since this was a tool to decide Jones was "the one". Doesn't anyone want to discuss their validity? Why they are not allowed in most courts??

[FDInLaw]

You do get caught up on small things some times and miss points FDInLaw. I know you have been fllowing the case awhile but give us newcomers some space. I put another part of the article you linked this which goes to a point I was trying to make before, the "rush to judgement". Det Frost is quoted in the article below as saying it takes time but 6 days after the murder he told the Nona's family that Jones was the the one-

"And we didn't just single someone out, saying, 'You did it,'" he noted. "We're saying 'You did it, and this is why we think you did it.' We're not pulling a name out of a hat."
Frost went on to explain why the case was not as easy as some of the public thought it should have been.

"It's been a difficult case to work, mainly because only one person knows exactly what went on that day," he said. "We don't have multiple witnesses to the crime who could tell us who did it -- we have one. And if that one person doesn't want to tell us what happened, we're never going to know exactly what did happen. All we can do is have a good idea. And I can tell you, we have a very good idea of what went on. And we'll just go from there." [/I[I]]"Basically what you have is a big jigsaw puzzle," he said, as he compared the murder case to a million-piece puzzle. "So, you take those million pieces, open the box and dump it. Then we had to piece it all together to make it fit the picture. But the thing is, we didn't know what the picture was.
"So you just slowly start piecing together information from interviews, evidence obtained from the crime scene, the medical examiner's report, and eventually, a picture starts forming."

Well then, I'll give you newbies some space. . . see you tomorrow. :seeya:

[annamarie]

It says in the probable cause statement that they identified a palm print on the light bulb as Jones. Not any fingerprints. Of course the statement is not well written so its hard to tell exactly what the affiant was trieing to say.


The weighted base and the light bulb had blood on them. The light bulb had fmgerprint impressions which were made in the blood. The fingerprint impression which was made in the blood on the light bulb were compared with known prints of Kevin Jones and the print on the lamp bulb was identified as palm print impression of Kevin Jones

[woopig_sooie]

I would think that if it were a finger print, the officer would've made it clear that it was indeed a finger print. I thought I read where they found a palm print, and then later found a finger print somewhere on the lamp base. I could be wrong about this though.

[annamarie]

I thought I did also but I think now it was a blogger/poster. That is why I went back to the probable cause statement.
I googled finger and palm print stuff and it is fascinating what's out there. I am guessing this town does not have the science available for solid/clear indentification.

[woopig_sooie]

I thought I did also but I think now it was a blogger/poster. That is why I went back to the probable cause statement.
I googled finger and palm print stuff and it is fascinating what's out there. I am guessing this town does not have the science available for solid/clear indentification.
No in Arkansas, everything goes through the State crime lab here in Little Rock. Needless to say, the State crime lab is quite often backed up and overwhelmed with pending cases.

Anyway, it takes 4 cops to issue a speeding ticket in Russellville. I doubt they could handle preforming scientific research and data analisys. :rolleyes: J/K

All joking aside, do you think that this case could have or would have been handled differently if it had happend in a location where homicides are more common? Just a thought, but IMO had the officers/detectives involved had more experience in homicide crime scenes, there might have been a quicker arrest. Or who knows more suspects.... Thoughts?

[annamarie]

You know what they say- experience is the best teacher. In any case, but especially murder I would think, it goes to how good the investigation is/was and how good the forensics are scrutinized and handled. It also adresses the lie detector thing which others seem to think point at Jones being guilty because he "failed" it.
Did you read the other articles from the newspaper about the murder case the same department handled? I posted them earlier.

[Amy]

It's great to get on here and find several new posts. . . it's been awhile!

The trial is still set to start January 16th as far as I know. Anyone hear different?

I hadn't heard any different. I just didn't go back to the posts where it said when the trial is...like I posted, I get confused as to whose trial is when (or hearings, and delays and postponements etc etc etc.)

I do think the article you linked to about the anniversary did say January.

[Amy]

It's great to get on here and find several new posts. . . it's been awhile!

The trial is still set to start January 16th as far as I know. Anyone hear different?

The article you linked to about the anniversary did say January.

Like I posted, I get confused as to whose hearing/trial is when (and then there are changes, delays etc etc etc to confuse me more.

[Amy]

Do you think lie detector tests are infallible?

If LD's were 100% on--they would be allowed in court. There are variables that can skew the results. Just as some who are guilty can "pass" an LD, there are those who are innocent who can "fail" them.

[Amy]

I thought I did also but I think now it was a blogger/poster. That is why I went back to the probable cause statement.
I googled finger and palm print stuff and it is fascinating what's out there. I am guessing this town does not have the science available for solid/clear indentification.

Which is why they had to wait on some of the information--the state Bureau of investigation was involved.

[FDInLaw]

Which is why they had to wait on some of the information--the state Bureau of investigation was involved.

The investigation also used FBI specialists to evaluate Kevin's taped interviews (from probable cause statement). I believe this may have involved an actual trip to Washington D.C.

"In addition, on March 22,2006, Affiant consulted with members of the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit and discussed the evidence collected in this case to include video taped statements of Kevin Jones, crime scene photos and autopsy findings. It was also the opinion of the members of the FBI Behavioral Science team that the actions of Jones at the crime scene were a deliberate attempt to destroy the crime scene and to provide an explanation for the presence of any incriminating trace evidence."


Hi Amy! :seeya:

[annamarie]

Amy, from what I am reading the examiner's experience plays a large role in the quality of the lie detector test.

FDInLaw, do you know who the examiner was? Was it an FBI agent? And what leads you to believe the affiant made a trip to D.C.?

[annamarie]

Has anyone read the article I linked to the other case from 2004 in that town? It was investigated by the same department and the man accused was found not guilty.

[FDInLaw]

Amy, from what I am reading the examiner's experience plays a large role in the quality of the lie detector test.

FDInLaw, do you know who the examiner was? Was it an FBI agent? And what leads you to believe the affiant made a trip to D.C.?

You have a copy of the Response to the Motion for Discovery, it list a bunch of professionals from the State that are going to testify including one from the FBI in Little Rock. The lie detector test is inadmissable anyhow, guess I never really cared who administered it. It's not like the case against Kevin hinges on it. The fact Kevin failed just seems like icing on the cake in my mind. I’m looking into the D.C. thing. . . who knows why things pop into my head (I follow several different cases might be one explanation).

[FDInLaw]

You are correct about last week--he visited with the FBI in D.C.

Tomorrow (Friday) is the day.

I knew I read it somewhere!

[woopig_sooie]

Has anyone read the article I linked to the other case from 2004 in that town? It was investigated by the same department and the man accused was found not guilty.could you repost the links or tell me what page they're on. I don't think I read them. thanks

[hawgustusgloop]

You do get caught up on small things some times and miss points FDInLaw. I know you have been fllowing the case awhile but give us newcomers some space. I put another part of the article you linked this which goes to a point I was trying to make before, the "rush to judgement". [/I]


I think this post is rather unfair. I think FDInLaw generally addresses all the points that come up and is very good and polite about giving answers to questions that can be found by simply reading the links. I think asking FDInLaw to "give us newcomers some space" is kind of rude and disrespectful. Plus, it makes no sense. There is plenty of space for all of us to discuss our ideas even if they are conflicting. That is the cool part about these boards.

Justice for Nona!

[annamarie]

Here they are again woopig, let me know what you think.

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=4927
http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=4934
http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=4933


Amy- I did not mean to offend. I agree, there is room for us all.

[FDInLaw]

I think this post is rather unfair. I think FDInLaw generally addresses all the points that come up and is very good and polite about giving answers to questions that can be found by simply reading the links. I think asking FDInLaw to "give us newcomers some space" is kind of rude and disrespectful. Plus, it makes no sense. There is plenty of space for all of us to discuss our ideas even if they are conflicting. That is the cool part about these boards.

Justice for Nona!

Thank you for the kind words, Hawgustusgloop.


(Have I ever told you, your name ROCKS! :biggrin: )

[Brainstorm]

I think this post is rather unfair. I think FDInLaw generally addresses all the points that come up and is very good and polite about giving answers to questions that can be found by simply reading the links. I think asking FDInLaw to "give us newcomers some space" is kind of rude and disrespectful. Plus, it makes no sense. There is plenty of space for all of us to discuss our ideas even if they are conflicting. That is the cool part about these boards.

Justice for Nona!

Fully agree!! I'm a newbie also and FDInLaw comments and observations gave me considerable insight into this case!!!!!!! After the other newbies posts I fear I'm underqualified to discuss anything with them,but I will be keeping up and for what its worth,I think FDInLaw has established his/her position very well. (IMHO) Also I realize that we don't have all the facts but I for one firmly believe KJ is quilty and his mama knows more about it than shes admitting.Go back and read the 911 call.(IMO) she was spouting off way to much-way to fast(IMOO)

IMOO again

[FDInLaw]

Fully agree!! I'm a newbie also and FDInLaw comments and observations gave me considerable insight into this case!!!!!!! After the other newbies posts I fear I'm underqualified to discuss anything with them,but I will be keeping up and for what its worth,I think FDInLaw has established his/her position very well. (IMHO) Also I realize that we don't have all the facts but I for one firmly believe KJ is quilty and his mama knows more about it than shes admitting.Go back and read the 911 call.(IMO) she was spouting off way to much-way to fast(IMOO)

IMOO again

That's sweet. . . thank you. Regardless of opinion, everyone is welcome on this board, even those who suffer a momentary laps of social skills. It's all good . . . if I'm being annoying, I'd rather know so that I can give that person some space.

[annamarie]

Glad you see it as a "momentary lapse of social skills" FDInLaw.:beer:
Now back to the case.....

[FDInLaw]

Glad you see it as a "momentary lapse of social skills" FDInLaw.:beer:
Now back to the case.....

I was once in your shoes. . . maybe now you will realize I'm not the unforgiving sort.

Peace ~ FD

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for taking care of the cell phone ad, Freshwater!

:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Then I think that likely meant he was targeted from the beginning by the Russellville police, which could happen. It's certainly not unheard of in Arkansas, but seems rather unlikely in this situation IMO. I might be more inclined to think so if they were under a lot of pressure and made an arrest within a week or so, but they waited 3 months (?) to do it. Also, these false accusations are usually put on people who seem likely (at least to the authorities) to commit crimes or who already have extensive criminal records. From everything I have read, Kevin had a near-pristine reputation. It's not even like he just stayed out of trouble. He was known as a good student, athlete, etc. He seems like the kind of person that they initially wouldn't want to believe would commit the crime.

[annamarie]

"...I don't care how much I "loved" someone, I don't think I'd jump on their dead body and rub my hands thru the blood. That is just too bizarre. The defense would have us believe that K was "so distraught" to find his girlfriend dead that he threw himself on her, tried to resusitate her, yet speak so calmly to the 911 and also call the stepfather in what seems to me to be a rehearsed call for help...." posted by dtbh March 2006

Can anyone give me the source for this? I was not able to find the article where this was said.

[FDInLaw]

"...I don't care how much I "loved" someone, I don't think I'd jump on their dead body and rub my hands thru the blood. That is just too bizarre. The defense would have us believe that K was "so distraught" to find his girlfriend dead that he threw himself on her, tried to resusitate her, yet speak so calmly to the 911 and also call the stepfather in what seems to me to be a rehearsed call for help...." posted by dtbh March 2006

Can anyone give me the source for this? I was not able to find the article where this was said.

(Duane Dipert, victim’s step-father) "He sounded so calm. He had almost the same tone when he called me at home."

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0306/315437.html

[FDInLaw]

I don't post here, I just follow along and I think you're great!:beer:

Gosh, now I'm blushing. . . you're a sweetie! :o

[FDInLaw]

Then I think that likely meant he was targeted from the beginning by the Russellville police, which could happen. It's certainly not unheard of in Arkansas, but seems rather unlikely in this situation IMO. I might be more inclined to think so if they were under a lot of pressure and made an arrest within a week or so, but they waited 3 months (?) to do it. Also, these false accusations are usually put on people who seem likely (at least to the authorities) to commit crimes or who already have extensive criminal records. From everything I have read, Kevin had a near-pristine reputation. It's not even like he just stayed out of trouble. He was known as a good student, athlete, etc. He seems like the kind of person that they initially wouldn't want to believe would commit the crime.


Kevin wasn't targeted from the beginning, but I can imagine that it is difficult for his loved ones not to some how feel he was wronged in all this. It's my deepest hope that the trial will either clearly pronounce Kevin as innocent or guilty. . . and that everyone will be able to see and come to terms with the truth. This isn’t a perfect world, but I can hope.

[annamarie]

I appreciate your comments here. I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that "Kevin wasn't targeted from the beginning".
I agree that the trial has the potential to put many rumors/opinions to rest and bring many truths/facts to light.
Your 2 issues from the beginning of this blog have been justice for Nona and that you believe Jones is guilty. Will you feel Nona received justice if Jones is found innocent by the jury?

[FDInLaw]

I appreciate your comments here. I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that "Kevin wasn't targeted from the beginning".
I agree that the trial has the potential to put many rumors/opinions to rest and bring many truths/facts to light.
Your 2 issues from the beginning of this blog have been justice for Nona and that you believe Jones is guilty. Will you feel Nona received justice if Jones is found innocent by the jury?


Like most folks, I just want to see the one responsible for brutally beating Nona to death brought to justice. PERIOD. I would hope that if Kevin is innocent he will be cleared of the charges. The fact that the evidence known to this point causes me to believe he is in fact guilty, does not mean I do not feel for him and his loved ones. Or that I do not desire the truth. My heart goes out to them, as a parent I can't even imagine dealing with this sort of situation. Obviously, there are countless folks lifting up Nona's family this season as well as Kevin's. No one is coming out a winner here. One family lost a beautiful young woman and the other waits for the future of their son to be determined.

Can you elaborate more on why you wonder if Kevin was targeted?

[annamarie]

That is a strong word for what I feel/believe. I was just repeating the word you used. As I have said in previous posts-in emotional cases, especially with loss of life, I think the desire to find a guilty person can sometimes(note- SOMETIMES) scew an investigation. If the
I have used two examples in previous posts to support this; the man accused of murder in the case of the firefighters killed in the brush fire, and the other case investigated by the same department that investigated this case. It is of a father accused of killing his infant son. He, like Jones, was in focus from the beginning. In the case I linked previously, the jury found the father not guilty. Now the family will never know how the infant died nor who/what caused the death. I would hate to see that happen in Nona's case.
Are the investigators bad, probably not, but as woopig pointed out, they are probably not experienced in murders living in what seems to be a small, relatively safe town in Arkansas.
As related earlier in several posts, the detectives told the family, prior to the funeral, Jones was their main supect. That was 6 days into the investigation. From what I can tell, they filed their report with the prosecutor shortly thereafter(please remind me of the date of the filing) and it was the prosecutor that chose to wait until a few days before deadline to file the charges. I have not read that the detectives looked at any other suspects during that 60-90 waiting period.
Hope that explains my opinion for you. Have you read the articles about the case I linked?

[Brainstorm]

Then I think that likely meant he was targeted from the beginning by the Russellville police, which could happen. It's certainly not unheard of in Arkansas, but seems rather unlikely in this situation IMO. I might be more inclined to think so if they were under a lot of pressure and made an arrest within a week or so, but they waited 3 months (?) to do it. Also, these false accusations are usually put on people who seem likely (at least to the authorities) to commit crimes or who already have extensive criminal records. From everything I have read, Kevin had a near-pristine reputation. It's not even like he just stayed out of trouble. He was known as a good student, athlete, etc. He seems like the kind of person that they initially wouldn't want to believe would commit the crime.

Te be fair now I think this word "targeted" came from above,not from FDInLaw

[Results]

Like most folks, I just want to see the one responsible for brutally beating Nona to death brought to justice. PERIOD. I would hope that if Kevin is innocent he will be cleared of the charges. The fact that the evidence known to this point causes me to believe he is in fact guilty, does not mean I do not feel for him and his loved ones. Or that I do not desire the truth. My heart goes out to them, as a parent I can't even imagine dealing with this sort of situation. Obviously, there are countless folks lifting up Nona's family this season as well as Kevin's. No one is coming out a winner here. One family lost a beautiful young woman and the other waits for the future of their son to be determined.

Can you elaborate more on why you wonder if Kevin was targeted?

FDInLaw,

I have watched you on this case do some real good posting and digging for the truth. Stop being so nice and stick to your guns! Tell it like it is and quit sugar coating it! Why do you give a rats behind of what anyone thinks of what you believe? You have been doing just fine since your quest to find JUSTICE FOR NONA! How dare anyone who denies that is what you have been wanting this whole time! Keep up the good work!

BTW, I appreciate the prayer you posted on the Tara Grinstead Forum and I'm sorry that I didn't get a chance on the 15th to make a post every hour. So, this is what I will do:

:rose: For Nona may you rest in peace

:rose: For Nona's family and friends

:rose: For FDInLaw who stayed with the case through thick and thin all for Nona. Thank you for caring enough to be here not because you had to but because you wanted to! KUDOS TO YOU! Good Luck Friend!

JMHO

[hawgustusgloop]

"Targeted" was my word I used to summarize the ideas presented above that there may have been some type of "rush to judgment" immediately after the crime and that if perhaps Kevin is innocent, the police did him an injustice by failing to consider other possibilities.

But again, I don't believe that happened in this case. I think the right person is charged with Nona's murder.

Justice for Nona!

[FDInLaw]

FDInLaw,

I have watched you on this case do some real good posting and digging for the truth. Stop being so nice and stick to your guns! Tell it like it is and quit sugar coating it! Why do you give a rats behind of what anyone thinks of what you believe? You have been doing just fine since your quest to find JUSTICE FOR NONA! How dare anyone who denies that is what you have been wanting this whole time! Keep up the good work!

BTW, I appreciate the prayer you posted on the Tara Grinstead Forum and I'm sorry that I didn't get a chance on the 15th to make a post every hour. So, this is what I will do:

:rose: For Nona may you rest in peace

:rose: For Nona's family and friends

:rose: For FDInLaw who stayed with the case through thick and thin all for Nona. Thank you for caring enough to be here not because you had to but because you wanted to! KUDOS TO YOU! Good Luck Friend!

JMHO
Thanks for the encouragement. This situation is difficult for all involved, and one never knows who they are addressing on a board like this. I do have strong convictions but I must allow for my personal limitations. . . I was not there when Nona was murdered, I do not know for an absolute fact that Kevin is guilty. In order to be intellectually honest, I must allow for the possibility that he is innocent. In that spirit, I do try to be respectful of those with differing views. Mind you, I gladly take to task those who willfully propagating falsehoods. . . they all seemed to disappear with the gag order though.

I feel so bad for Tara and her loved ones, the process of justice is not underway for them and they don't seem to have any answers. Nothing can bring back a loved one, but it must be extremely difficult not knowing.

[annamarie]

What is your opinion of the case I posted?

[FDInLaw]

"Targeted" was my word I used to summarize the ideas presented above that there may have been some type of "rush to judgment" immediately after the crime and that if perhaps Kevin is innocent, the police did him an injustice by failing to consider other possibilities.

But again, I don't believe that happened in this case. I think the right person is charged with Nona's murder.

Justice for Nona!

Ever since the arrest, I have seen the word "targeted" used numerous times . . . it is an accurate description of how some feel. The reputation of the prosecutor and the timing of the arrest cause the notion not to wash with me. The investigators waited for all the evidence to be returned from the state lab. To me this says they were making sure they had the right guy. JMO

[FDInLaw]

What is your opinion of the case I posted?

I don't know anything about it, so I don't have an opinion. Sorry to disappoint, but there are other things grabbing my attention. All my reading these days has been devoted to the serial killer in the UK. And after that I would like to learn more about the Tara Grinstead case. I did take a quick glance at one of the links you posted. I’m not quite sure why it is so important to you that I give an opinion about it.

[annamarie]

I was curious because you follow other cases and give opinions so I thought this one might want to in that case as it is a little more pertinent to Nona's case since it was held in the same jurisdiction where Jones trial will be held and investigated by the same department.

Nona is in God's incredibly loving arms, so she is much more at peace than any of us still living on this imperfect earth.

I pray for peace for her family and the Jones family.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

[FDInLaw]

I was curious because you follow other cases and give opinions so I thought this one might want to in that case as it is a little more pertinent to Nona's case since it was held in the same jurisdiction where Jones trial will be held and investigated by the same department.

Nona is in God's incredibly loving arms, so she is much more at peace than any of us still living on this imperfect earth.

I pray for peace for her family and the Jones family.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

Merry Christmas to you! :seeya:

The only other Arkansas cases I follow are the Casey Crowder and Nina Ingram. . . both are on the Court TV boards. They were both murdered this past year.

[FDInLaw]

Annamarie,

I requested that you no longer send me PMs do the way you came at me a few days ago. . . and here you are again. . .

"It must be a terrible thing to realize you've done nothing with your life so you lash out at everything you envy in others and try to drag them down to your level. (Gramp)"
I wonder if the board members would think you so cool and defend you if they read this quote-
"...I really don't give a flying flip about what you or your professor thinks about my presence on the board. I sure as hell have more reason to be there than you do."
Or if they knew you were at the funeral and knew Nona personally.
I am one of the few non anoymous people on the board. I laid out my agenda only to have you ridicule it ".... Nona was a person to me and not mere homework. Good luck with your grade."
That is being far more honest than you are.

From the beginning I welcomed you and offered assistance. And as a thanks I got a letter stating you and your professor seriously questioned my place on the board. I found this extremely insulting and I let you know that. For days now you have been coming at me and directing questions at me on the board. And I have tolerated it. I deleted all your previous messages and have done my best just to move on and be respectful. Now you have crossed the line, I am not a dishonest person. . . and that is why I have posted your PM above. I really don't care if everyone sees what I wrote you, it was fully warranted.

Yes, I was at Nona's funeral. . . do you realize the church was packed and there was an overflow room? Lots of people were there. I did not know her personally, I only spoke with her a handful of times. She was a beautiful young lady and I really enjoyed her sense of humor. Her death shocked a lot of folks, even people like me that did not know her well. It's your opinion that I will lose credibility for admitting these things. . . we'll see won't we.

I only "ridiculed" your agenda after you attacked me. I think it is neat that your professor encouraged his/her students to follow a case online. Truly, best of luck with your grade. Your behavior toward me has placed you on “ ignore”. . . I really don't see why I should have to put up with anymore of your nonsense.

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I want to apologize to the rest of the board. . . I am sorry to air this here, I wish that Annamarie could have just moved on. But as it is, I WILL NOT BE CALLED DISHONEST and there is nothing I could really say in private to defend myself.

[annamarie]

I too want to apologize to the members of the board. This was the first blog of its type I joined and it saddens me it turned out this way. This will be my last post. Because of that, I want to explain a few things before leaving; by dishonest FDInLaw I meant anonymous, none of us know who you really are. I see that many here put false names for blogging and maybe that is a security issue.
You did share a lot with me in private messages and I appreciated that FDInLaw. In fact you initiated private messages to me. I thought I could reciprocate and do the same but obviously that was idealism on my part. Your last private message to me practically challenged me to ask questions of you on the board(publically). I did and then you respond "For days now you have been coming at me and directing questions at me on the board. And I have tolerated it."
I want to leave the other posters with the private messages that went between us so they can make up their own minds as deductive reasoning is what I thought this board would be about.
I would not do this except you gave your permission "I really don't care if everyone sees what I wrote you, it was fully warranted."
The private messages follow here in chronological order, FDInLaw's are in italic.

Hello!

In some of your posts you’ve asked questions about the step-father and family. I am well acquainted with the Dipert family (which would explain why I watch this case so closely). I don’t really feel comfortable making that public knowledge though, so I appreciate being able to send you a private message.

Duane’s first wife Linda died after a long battle with cancer June 10, 2003. They were married for over thirty years and have three children Erich, Sarah and Aileen (none of whom still live in Russellville). Linda and Carol (Nona’s Mom) were both nurses and close friends. Carol’s first husband died over ten years ago, and to my knowledge she did not date at all ~ I believe this had something to do with finding out her husband molested Nona ~ it really devastated her. Carol was at Linda’s funeral and also helped cook and clean for Duane, as others did, and from that a friendship sparked. Having both lost spouses they really could relate I guess. Anyhow, they were married a year later. At Nona’s funeral, some of Carol’s family told me how happy they were that Carol had married Duane and that they had worried she would never move on.
Linda’s death was devastating for the family and a very stressful ordeal. Linda was literally told she had three years to live when she was diagnosed. . . she lived six. She was a real fighter and the true heart of her family. With that in mind, Nona’s tragedy must have hit the whole family hard. . . they had already dealt with one great loss. Also, I really believe Nona’s death caused Duane to feel guilty and somehow responsible . . . he really is a traditional thinking sort of guy. . . in his mind I’m sure he feels he should have seen something or done something to protect Nona. Unfortunately, as it will come out in the trial, there were things going on in Nona’s life that they really had no clue about.

I'm going to close here. . . hope this helps. My view point is obviously biased, I am close to the family, but hopefully this gives you something to work with.

~ FD
Hi Again!

Just a quick note, I'm not going to tell you who dtbh is, but I will tell you that he does know more than most regarding this case. He has been on this forum almost from the beginning and whatever he says has not been successfully contradicted by anyone. For one, he knew when the arrest was going to come down, etc. I am glad though, that you are being straight forward with him. . . he needs to realize how people are taking his comments. He is a real character, that is for sure! ~ FD

Thank You
It took me a little bit to find how to do this!
Thank you for your private message. Oh my goodness, what tradgedies to strike these families. After hearing this I can't imagine how they hold up!
It does give me some different perspective now. I totally understand why you would not want this on the blog site and why you follow it so closely.
I just fell into it as I am studying Criminal Justice down here and one of the professors encouraged some of us to get involved in following cases. He used to teach at ATU and wanting to get a better grade- I found Nona's case because she was a student there. Hope you don't think that is shallow since you are close to the family!?!?

Thank you again
I might even have this private message thing down now!
My concern when I read the posts is that they almost ridicule other people who even ask about the possibilty of Kevin Jones' innoncecne. None of us but the killer knows what happenned probably. Unless they shared it with someone else. I served on a jury(nothing real serious) but it helped me see a trial from a different perspective. Until all the evidence is out there and you hear the witnesses talk you can't judge.
I have been going back as I have time and re reading a bunch of stuff. I don't want to bust them out but if I had to guess I would say dtbh is a member of Nona's family and I thought I read something about a gag order. Wouldn't they be included?

None of Nona's family is being called to the witnesses stand, at least not according to the list given by the prosecution. So the gag order does not apply I guess. I think your hunch is right. Obviously dtbh is very upset. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned his lack of objectivity.__________________

[annamarie]

I've been talking with one of my professors about this case/blog (I was able to convince him to make my 89 a 90!) and have some thoughts/questions. Since you are close to the family and you say dtbh is as well, and both of you are totally biased, why are you posting on this board? I can see maybe why you would want to read stuff to keep up with the case. But then I thought if I was close to the victim I would not want to read some of what others say.
You are not as harsh in your comments as dtbh but you did lay out your opinion that KJ is guilty and you hope he gets the maximum sentence.
Anyway, we thought that your presence on the blog keeps true discussion and deductive reasoning from happening

I didn't state that dtbh is close to the family. . . I merely agreed with your thoughts. I am not totally biased. I have no personal grudge against Kevin Jones and certainly do not want an innocent person serving time. . . I want the person who is responsible for literally beating Nona to death to be convicted. I did not really know Nona personally, I only talked with her a few times. But, I'll tell you that, I will never forget her funeral and seeing the bruising on her face even under the caked on make-up. The poor girl.

I don't mean to be rude, but I really don't give a flying flip about what you or your professor thinks about my presence on the board. I sure as hell have more reason to be there than you do. Nona was a person to me and not mere homework. Good luck with your grade. ~ FD
Sorry

I obviously made you mad. Knowing you are close to the family and Nona, I would never want to insult or demean your feelings about her death. I can not imagine what the funeral was like and especially if she looked as you said she did. Again, sorry.

The suggestion that my presence on the board keeps it from bing constructive is extremely insulting. There was a group of young fools on the board (most entries were deleted do to their slanderous nature) implicating people that were literally out of town or at work with people during the murder. What was I suppose to do? Let them slander innocent folks when I knew different? I have never propagated any falsehoods on this board in order to sway opinions. I have done my best to keep conversation focused on the facts that are known (and have even been ridiculed for my "annoying" tendency to quote the probably cause statement). I have never thrown out unverifiable facts and demanded others to accept them. I want to know the truth, and when someone gets on the board with any kind of claim of RPD incompetence I want proof. And that is just it, the folks that stir up stuff don't even have their basic facts straight and they are easy to spot. I honestly don't see my presence as a liability, I’m sorry you do. . . don’t read my posts if they bother you.

again...

Again, all I can say is sorry. I did not intend to insult you. I understand your involvement with this case and if other bloggers were saying crazy stuff, I understand why you would want to make them stick to known facts. Like you, they probably had agendas(like being Kevin Jones's friends).
As I said, you are like the Godfather of this case.

My "agenda" is to keep folks on the facts, not to try and lock up some poor innocent mama's boy. I am not some sort of "Godfather". . . I don't control anyone. Please stop writing me, if I am some sort of diabolical force on the board, take me to task there.

Good by all
I will be praying for justice for all:rose:

[dtbh]

Gee, annamarie, I guess you don't want anybody posting on this that might know anything about the case. I guess then they would be more objective??? Sounds like you're doing a class project to vindicate Killer Kevin so you get a good grade. He's available now, maybe you need a boyfriend. Just don't hang around floor lamps and turn your back on him. Oh geez there I go expressing an opinion.

[FDInLaw]

Gee, annamarie, I guess you don't want anybody posting on this that might know anything about the case. I guess then they would be more objective??? Sounds like you're doing a class project to vindicate Killer Kevin so you get a good grade. He's available now, maybe you need a boyfriend. Just don't hang around floor lamps and turn your back on him. Oh geez there I go expressing an opinion.


Honestly, I don't get why folks with local information would not be welcome on such a board. It makes no sense to me.
:shrug:

[Results]

Honestly, I don't get why folks with local information would not be welcome on such a board. It makes no sense to me.
:shrug:

You got that right. It has been a chore to get someone that is local to let us know what is going on in the Tara Grinstead case or even a family friend to set rumors from facts. We would surely count our blessings if we could just get one like you that is willing to share the truth and stand by the truth no matter how bad it gets. Shake it off...breathe.....your here for the right reason and that is for Nona and as long as you stay here for her then you can only be an asset to the board. BTW, am I suppose to kneel down and be blessed before I speak to you "Godfather"?...you know I'm just kidding...couldn't resist. LMAO JMHO

[FDInLaw]

Part of being honest is facing up to things. It was not my intention to scare you off. Everyone's view point is valuable and welcome here and I hope to see you posting again.

[FDInLaw]

You got that right. It has been a chore to get someone that is local to let us know what is going on in the Tara Grinstead case or even a family friend to set rumors from facts. We would surely count our blessings if we could just get one like you that is willing to share the truth and stand by the truth no matter how bad it gets. Shake it off...breathe.....your here for the right reason and that is for Nona and as long as you stay here for her then you can only be an asset to the board. BTW, am I suppose to kneel down and be blessed before I speak to you "Godfather"?...you know I'm just kidding...couldn't resist. LMAO JMHO

If one more person calls me the "Godfather" I'm going to scream! :cuss:

(Glad you were kidding! :) )

[Results]

If one more person calls me the "Godfather" I'm going to scream! :cuss:

(Glad you were kidding! :) )

I'm sorry but I couldn't help make fun of that statement! The ironic part of this whole issue with this poster is that this poster claims that you could scare away potential posters because you are local but in the same breath she says you are the "Godfather" of this board. That would have surely scared them more then you being just a local. In order to debate her point she must first have one. JMHO

[Amy]

Well, I guess there is finally some activity on the board!!! lol

I have not felt intimidated by anyone on the board...I don't really recall anyone TELLING me how what conclusions to come to. Now, there have been local folk who have provided facts and links to articles and such that I would otherwise not have access to, and that's been helpful.

New and fresh perspectives on the case are welcome, to me. But, it's a little frustrating when one comes in and starts asking questions before going thru some of the links provided....I realize to read the whole thread would be an overwhelming proposition, but to read thru at least SOME of the posts would give insight to why different posters have formed the opinion they have. This happens on several cases, not just this one.

I, like everyone else, have formed my opinion, based on what information we have so far.....but will certainly be interested in the evidence presented at the trial to see if my conclusion is the correct one.

[FDInLaw]

Well, I guess there is finally some activity on the board!!! lol

I have not felt intimidated by anyone on the board...I don't really recall anyone TELLING me how what conclusions to come to. Now, there have been local folk who have provided facts and links to articles and such that I would otherwise not have access to, and that's been helpful.

New and fresh perspectives on the case are welcome, to me. But, it's a little frustrating when one comes in and starts asking questions before going thru some of the links provided....I realize to read the whole thread would be an overwhelming proposition, but to read thru at least SOME of the posts would give insight to why different posters have formed the opinion they have. This happens on several cases, not just this one.

I, like everyone else, have formed my opinion, based on what information we have so far.....but will certainly be interested in the evidence presented at the trial to see if my conclusion is the correct one.

Well, I'm glad someone is finding something to laugh at. . . maybe I'll be able to join you in a few days. Now that we have all had this lovely flash back of Jr. High politics, is there anything case related to discuss? The trial just can’t start soon enough for me!

[dtbh]

I would like to know what happened to Valley Girl? She was the one with the real "inside" information. She knew before anybody when the killer was going to be arrested! I think it was she that found the probable cause statement, etc. I wonder if she lost this thread when it was moved to crime library? Hey, Valley Girl are you still out there?

[FDInLaw]

I want to openly apologize for breaking a forum rule. I should not have posted Annamarie's PM. Like any idiot, I acted in the heat of the moment and really did not stop to think. I don't want folks to feel that cannot trust me with private correspondence. In the future, should another instance like this occur, I promise I will find some other way to deal with it.

To Annamarie, yes, you infuriated me, BUT I am honestly not one who holds grudges. I am sorry that this spat came about and if I hurt you in any way. Like everyone, I have faults. . . one being a quick and often irrational temper, and another is a bit of Irish stubbornness. I hope you will reconsider your exit plans and come back and join us. In a community we all make mistakes and we all learn from each other. You are not going to get the full benefit of the experience here if you just pack up when things get uncomfortable. . . that is a life lesson in general. Be it known that I would be sad to see you go.

Peace and Merry Christmas to all ~ FD

[Brainstorm]

On this most reverent day,I'm praying for Nonas' family and friends.May GOD bless you ,comfort you and keep you.Christmas Eve 2006,Sincerely,

Brainstorm

[hawgustusgloop]

That was so trashy. Trashy. Trashy. Trashy. I don't really want to know personal details about posters that they don't want to post openly. This apology, which was anything but an apology, only served to make FDInLaw's intentions seem more honest and credible and to make annamarie just seem misguided and totally trashtastic.

Also, I hope for her sake that Annamarie's "professor" isn't the rent-a-cop MISTER Franks. Does she or her teacher have any concept of the idea behind a message board? If either of them is reading this, I suggest he or she goes back and :read:s Freshwater's excellent post on the topic.

[FDInLaw]

That was so trashy. Trashy. Trashy. Trashy. I don't really want to know personal details about posters that they don't want to post openly. This apology, which was anything but an apology, only served to make FDInLaw's intentions seem more honest and credible and to make annamarie just seem misguided and totally trashtastic.

Also, I hope for her sake that Annamarie's "professor" isn't the rent-a-cop MISTER Franks. Does she or her teacher have any concept of the idea behind a message board? If either of them is reading this, I suggest he or she goes back and :read:s Freshwater's excellent post on the topic.

That's the thing, it's not like one couldn't track down Annamarie's professor and even contact him if they were so inclined.

[FDInLaw]

That was so trashy. Trashy. Trashy. Trashy. I don't really want to know personal details about posters that they don't want to post openly. This apology, which was anything but an apology, only served to make FDInLaw's intentions seem more honest and credible and to make annamarie just seem misguided and totally trashtastic.

Also, I hope for her sake that Annamarie's "professor" isn't the rent-a-cop MISTER Franks. Does she or her teacher have any concept of the idea behind a message board? If either of them is reading this, I suggest he or she goes back and :read:s Freshwater's excellent post on the topic.

"trashtastic" :lol:

You're killing me! Were you going for the Guinness World Record of uses of "trashy" in a post? Remember, Annamarie is just a kid after all, and I did post her PM first. She did have a bee in her bonnet about me not being up-front with everyone, I still don't fully understand that. No one is required to reveal their identity on here. You would think that in a case involving murder that would be understood.

[FDInLaw]

I would like to know what happened to Valley Girl? She was the one with the real "inside" information. She knew before anybody when the killer was going to be arrested! I think it was she that found the probable cause statement, etc. I wonder if she lost this thread when it was moved to crime library? Hey, Valley Girl are you still out there?

Come back Valleygirl!

[FDInLaw]

FD,

When is the trial scheduled to start? Will it be aired on CTV?

BTW, hope you all had a nice holiday!

January 16, the last I heard. Don't know anything about media coverage and I have been asking around.

Had a great holiday. . . hope you enjoyed yours as well! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

ITA, if more local people would post it would certainly make the whole process of deductive reasoning and sleuthing a possible outcome of the case much easier. So often rumor and innuendo get in the way. Other times there are just posters who want to come on board and derail.

IMO, the information available certainly puts KJ in the spotlight and those closest to the victim are the most likely suspects. Besides, common sense applied to this case tells me we're not looking at the "bushy haired stranger" perp. JMHO.

BTW Results, IIRC from the movies, you're supposed to kneel and kiss the "Godfather's" ring.:D And, that will be the last time I use that term FD. J/K.

No pinky ring here. . . I don’t even have an ounce of Italian blood! With a name like Annamarie, who knows, she might have been a more likely candidate! For just a young thing, I can see potential there!

Bad FD, Bad FD! :punch:

[FDInLaw]

With the trial just weeks away, does anyone have any speculation about how the defense will attempt to establish reasonable doubt?

[hawgustusgloop]

With the trial just weeks away, does anyone have any speculation about how the defense will attempt to establish reasonable doubt?

Off the top of my head, I would guess that they would use his account of where he was at the time to say that he couldn't have driven there, committed the crime, and cleaned up by whenever time. Also, as far as I know, which admittedly isn't that far, they didn't find any bloody clothes of his or anything outside the crime scene to connect him to Nona's murder. So, I guess they will use that to create reasonable doubt. As in, the cops searched here, there, and everywhere but did not find Nona's blood in his house, car, etc. Wouldn't they have found some trace since this crime was so violent, etc. Maybe they could say he did touch the lamp but only after they "found" her body and that the friend he was with was just too confused and rattled by the horrific scene to remember whether or not he touched it.

I guess it all depends on what the prosecution's strongest evidence is and how refutable it is.

Justice 4 Nona!

[FDInLaw]

Off the top of my head, I would guess that they would use his account of where he was at the time to say that he couldn't have driven there, committed the crime, and cleaned up by whenever time. Also, as far as I know, which admittedly isn't that far, they didn't find any bloody clothes of his or anything outside the crime scene to connect him to Nona's murder. So, I guess they will use that to create reasonable doubt. As in, the cops searched here, there, and everywhere but did not find Nona's blood in his house, car, etc. Wouldn't they have found some trace since this crime was so violent, etc. Maybe they could say he did touch the lamp but only after they "found" her body and that the friend he was with was just too confused and rattled by the horrific scene to remember whether or not he touched it.

I guess it all depends on what the prosecution's strongest evidence is and how refutable it is.

Justice 4 Nona!

You bring up two points that I am anxious to know more about. Did Kevin Jones have a limited time frame of opportunity? Does he have more of an alibi than what is publicly known? According to the probable cause statement it appears he had plenty of time IMO. Also, there have been no public statements, to my knowledge, regarding a search of his home or car. Were these conducted, and, if so, what did they yield? Gosh, I can’t wait for the trial to get started!

[FDInLaw]

Why did Kevin's mother call 911 and what was that all about "a terrible accident"? Why was mom there in the first place? Granted, exposure to a horrible crime scene and the brutal death of someone you know can cause initial shock, but usually the shock dissipates and the intricate details that caused that shock come bursting forth. IMO, I'm not buying the I don't remember I was in shock, story. Nona was a victim of a horrible crime and I'm not so sure blunt trauma injury and superficial stab wounds would necessarily equate to a large amount of blood and blood splatter patterns. Also, IMO, KJ made sure that he had two witnesses when he got Nona's blood on him. Compromising the crime scene may lead to reasonable doubt. Why would there be blood in his car? Why would there be blood anywhere but the crime scene? He never left the scene after the crime was commited, IMO. IIRC, Nona's blood was found on Kevin's cloths, on a lamp with his palm print, and on his person. This was all explained away because in his anguish he threw himself on her. There's just not enough information made public since the gag order to determine what reasonable doubt theory might be presented by the defense. I'm thinking they'll look for a plea bargain. I just hope the prosecution has a strong enough case to tell the defense to go to he$$. IMO, Nona was moving on in life and found out that KJ was no longer in her intellectual or social stratus, he didn't like it, a confrontation ensued, Nona died, and KJ and friends are spinning it to their liking. I remember reading a blog on a beauty pageant site where DD came out and said, "Look up the definition of sociopath, then look in the mirror." IMO and JMHO and MOO, this about sums it up.

Justice for Nona and her family:rose:

Of course, I stand to be corrected if I misrepresented any of the known facts.

This is just my gut (laugh away "Danny" :) ), but I really don't believe Kevin will opt for a plea bargain. . . there is a long and bitter battle ahead. Speculation about why Kevin was with his mom when he found Nona has been going on since it was known. Was it normal for Kevin to attend his Mom's office party? Did she ask him or did he ask her? Surely, the answer will come out during the trial (I hope). It seemed "convenient" to a lot of folks that Kevin had the others with him. If guilty, it speaks to Kevin's intelligence and ability to plan through these events. This isn't the average run of the mill "I got mad and bashed my girlfriend's head in" case IMO. There are deeper psychological aspects at play IMO. I do believe Kevin is a sociopath, and as one he has the ability to manipulate and play the "I'm an innocent victim here" card well. His ability to be calm at the crime scene and even chit chat with the investigators there. . . good grief, this is the kid that was so distraught that he threw himself on the body? This is all just my opinion, but I do not see Kevin ever admitting to the murder. . . I really sense that he believes he can outsmart everyone. This is totally just my opinion. . . but I get the feeling that he turns the drama on and off and is one good actor. . . and as such I really feel for his family. If he is guilty, regardless of sentence, will they ever be able to come to terms with the truth? Will they ever know it for sure? Scary. :(

[AbbyLou]

The most interesting part- to me- is the locked door. I'm still really curious if it was just the twist lock that was locked; that must be the case, cause the killer would have to be a super lame brain to use a key to lock the deadbolt. The killer couldn't have left by the back door if KJ had to force it open- it would still be unlatched. I think there probably won't be any physical evidence on the perp- if she was comfortable enough to let the person in or the person had a key, wouldn't the perp be comfortable enough to take a shower? I still wonder if there was blood on her clothes- if she was undressed after the fact. She wouldn't have been in the living room, in front of a glass door, with the blinds open- which they much have been for KJ to see in. It also seems the killer wouldn't want to carry out a planned killing in front of an open window- must be crime of passion. Still, though, why was she naked in the living room, if that's where the crime happened?
I'm just frustrated at the lack of detail :) I know I posed all these questions earlier.
I'm going to be out of the country for three weeks starting Jan 17 :( I wish I could follow this trial- I'm very interested to see the details.
All this my opinion.

[FDInLaw]

The most interesting part- to me- is the locked door. I'm still really curious if it was just the twist lock that was locked; that must be the case, cause the killer would have to be a super lame brain to use a key to lock the deadbolt. The killer couldn't have left by the back door if KJ had to force it open- it would still be unlatched. I think there probably won't be any physical evidence on the perp- if she was comfortable enough to let the person in or the person had a key, wouldn't the perp be comfortable enough to take a shower? I still wonder if there was blood on her clothes- if she was undressed after the fact. She wouldn't have been in the living room, in front of a glass door, with the blinds open- which they much have been for KJ to see in. It also seems the killer wouldn't want to carry out a planned killing in front of an open window- must be crime of passion. Still, though, why was she naked in the living room, if that's where the crime happened?
I'm just frustrated at the lack of detail :) I know I posed all these questions earlier.
I'm going to be out of the country for three weeks starting Jan 17 :( I wish I could follow this trial- I'm very interested to see the details.
All this my opinion.

Hi AbbyLou! :seeya:

You have some great questions! Sorry to hear you will be out of the country for the trial. . . will you have any internet access?

[Brainstorm]

I'm looking forward to this trial beginning then reading the posts from our very dedicated and loyal posters.Thank God for internet access!!!! I do believe there will be JUSTICE FOR NONA.
Brainstorm
MOO

[FDInLaw]

Just want to give a friendly shout out to D*** (you know who you are). . . stop lurking and post! :seeya:

[AbbyLou]

I'm not really sure about i-net access, we'll be in India. I've all ready heard scary things like "hopefully they'll have hot water"... so computers are probably too much to hope for ;)
I'd have to go back and reread- did KJ's camp say that Nona was seeing other men? If KJ knows that, and he didn't do it- wouldn't he cooperate with police and tell them immediately who else she was seeing? Same arguement that convinces me Scott Peterson is guilty- if he didn't do it, wouldn't he immediately suspect his girlfriend, and tell the police about her? But he didn't, which makes no sense. Seems like KJ could spend the time before the trial trying to help find the killer instead of just saying he is innocent.
*Should I really say "my opinion" in every post?*

[FDInLaw]

I'm not really sure about i-net access, we'll be in India. I've all ready heard scary things like "hopefully they'll have hot water"... so computers are probably too much to hope for ;)
I'd have to go back and reread- did KJ's camp say that Nona was seeing other men? If KJ knows that, and he didn't do it- wouldn't he cooperate with police and tell them immediately who else she was seeing? Same arguement that convinces me Scott Peterson is guilty- if he didn't do it, wouldn't he immediately suspect his girlfriend, and tell the police about her? But he didn't, which makes no sense. Seems like KJ could spend the time before the trial trying to help find the killer instead of just saying he is innocent.
*Should I really say "my opinion" in every post?*

India? Why on earth are you going there? Be careful!
To make it easy put "My Opinion Only" as your signature then you don't have to worry about forgetting it.

You ask some great questions, with all the rumors out there, unfortunately the best thing to do is to wait for the facts to come out during the trial. . . otherwise, good luck finding the truth. JMO

[AbbyLou]

My husband's parents came to the US a couple years before he was born. He's never been there, and they are getting old- it seemed like the thing to do. He doesn't have any family here, so there's tons of aunts and uncles and cousins to meet. I figure I'll be pretty safe since we'll be surrounded by family.. I worry more about the flight and the amenities. And I'm missing the Super Bowl, which means that the Colts will probably go and I'll miss it. :)

[FDInLaw]

My husband's parents came to the US a couple years before he was born. He's never been there, and they are getting old- it seemed like the thing to do. He doesn't have any family here, so there's tons of aunts and uncles and cousins to meet. I figure I'll be pretty safe since we'll be surrounded by family.. I worry more about the flight and the amenities. And I'm missing the Super Bowl, which means that the Colts will probably go and I'll miss it. :)

That's the best way to visit another country. . . having local folks to stay with. You're going to have a great time! Have a chai daily and think of me! :) Also, avoid paper cuts at all cost! You don’t want to eat a spicy curry with your fingers if you have one. . . believe me, it’s no fun!

[FDInLaw]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13417

Gosh, wonder what this is all about.

[Brainstorm]

I have a few questions after reading through most of this thread. Was the stick used on the sliding glass door every found? And do we know if it was a wooden or metal stick(my door uses a metal stopper)? Were any unknown fingerprints found in Nona's apartment? If so, the defense could use that as reasonable doubt placing an unknown assailant in the apartment. Does anyone else find it strange that KJ asked his friend to go over to Nona's when he and his mother were already on the way there? IMO, he would have ultimately let his friend wonder back to the sliding glass door so he would have been the one to find Nona. Also, why didn't he have his keys? IMO, most folks grab their keys first thing when they leave the house. IMO, I think he deliberately left his keys home so it would appear that he wasn't the one to re-lock the door after he murdered Nona. JMHO and seeking answers, if there are any.

Hi Merrick,I don't remember reading anywhere that the stick has been found,but we'll soon be hearing(during the trial) Not only was it strange that KJ ask his friend to stay there but taking his mommy also.This is what I call "overload" Although (IMO) there are probably other finger prints in the apt. hopefully they have all been explained . I wish we could get FDInLaw to come on here and maybe give us a recap with what he/she believes happened.

Are you there FD? Please?

Brainstorm

MOO IMHO and pure speculation

[Brainstorm]

Could someone also tell me if there was only one 911 call where KJ and his mother both talked to the dispatcher or two separate calls? I will go back and read this but I was thinking I read something about two calls to 911.

Thanks to whoever for helping us catch up on some details

brainstorm
MOO IMO

[Amy]

Why did Kevin's mother call 911 and what was that all about "a terrible accident"? Why was mom there in the first place? Granted, exposure to a horrible crime scene and the brutal death of someone you know can cause initial shock, but usually the shock dissipates and the intricate details that caused that shock come bursting forth. IMO, I'm not buying the I don't remember I was in shock, story. Nona was a victim of a horrible crime and I'm not so sure blunt trauma injury and superficial stab wounds would necessarily equate to a large amount of blood and blood splatter patterns. Also, IMO, KJ made sure that he had two witnesses when he got Nona's blood on him. Compromising the crime scene may lead to reasonable doubt. Why would there be blood in his car? Why would there be blood anywhere but the crime scene? He never left the scene after the crime was commited, IMO. IIRC, Nona's blood was found on Kevin's cloths, on a lamp with his palm print, and on his person. This was all explained away because in his anguish he threw himself on her. There's just not enough information made public since the gag order to determine what reasonable doubt theory might be presented by the defense. I'm thinking they'll look for a plea bargain. I just hope the prosecution has a strong enough case to tell the defense to go to he$$. IMO, Nona was moving on in life and found out that KJ was no longer in her intellectual or social stratus, he didn't like it, a confrontation ensued, Nona died, and KJ and friends are spinning it to their liking. I remember reading a blog on a beauty pageant site where DD came out and said, "Look up the definition of sociopath, then look in the mirror." IMO and JMHO and MOO, this about sums it up.

Justice for Nona and her family:rose:

Of course, I stand to be corrected if I misrepresented any of the known facts.

There could/would be blood on his clothes, and therefore in his car as he left the scene.

And, he HAD to have left the scene, as he subsequently arrived at the scene with his mom and buddy.

[Amy]

I'm not really sure about i-net access, we'll be in India. I've all ready heard scary things like "hopefully they'll have hot water"... so computers are probably too much to hope for ;)
I'd have to go back and reread- did KJ's camp say that Nona was seeing other men? If KJ knows that, and he didn't do it- wouldn't he cooperate with police and tell them immediately who else she was seeing? Same arguement that convinces me Scott Peterson is guilty- if he didn't do it, wouldn't he immediately suspect his girlfriend, and tell the police about her? But he didn't, which makes no sense. Seems like KJ could spend the time before the trial trying to help find the killer instead of just saying he is innocent.
*Should I really say "my opinion" in every post?*

Don't know the particulars of who brought up the names of other fellows Nona might or might not have dated/been friends with. But, the mayor's son's name must have been brought up, as it seems he was interviewed/investigated. It seems they did have a number of people they looked into, more than one LD being processed, etc.

You could always put the my opinion thing in your signature line. Or any time you start a sentence with "I think" should alert everyone to the fact that it's your opinion. I think the IMO type of thing comes from some pretty heated threads on CTV message boards, where people were nitpickin' the heck out of each separate word.

[Amy]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13417

Gosh, wonder what this is all about.

The link only brought on the heading of the Russelville paper, no text on it at all. What did they find? (Other than a body near Dover?)

[FDInLaw]

The link only brought on the heading of the Russelville paper, no text on it at all. What did they find? (Other than a body near Dover?)

Try this: http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=13417&Search=human%20remains

[FDInLaw]

Could someone also tell me if there was only one 911 call where KJ and his mother both talked to the dispatcher or two separate calls? I will go back and read this but I was thinking I read something about two calls to 911.

Thanks to whoever for helping us catch up on some details

brainstorm
MOO IMO

I believe there was just one call. . .

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=9882&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

[Brainstorm]

This is what I read that made me think there were two 911 calls.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori...en murder.html

MOO I stand to be corrected and appreciate it when I am.

brainstorm

[Results]

Good Morning Crime Library!!

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PS

The aunt of Roxanne Paltauf an Austin teenager missing since July is posting as aperry58 on the "Missing/Found" forum in the Missing Children's section. Renee's family has been helping them and I am certain they could use whatever support is possible for all of you.

Bumping. Roxanne's Mother has informed us that Roxanne's Birthday is January 7th and she would be turning 19 years old. If at all possible please go to the thread and wish Roxanne a Happy Birthday. Roxanne's Mothers post was heart breaking to read. Lets show her what the Crime Library Family is all about please post Happy Birthday January 7th! Thanks!

[FDInLaw]

Bumping. Roxanne's Mother has informed us that Roxanne's Birthday is January 7th and she would be turning 19 years old. If at all possible please go to the thread and wish Roxanne a Happy Birthday. Roxanne's Mothers post was heart breaking to read. Lets show her what the Crime Library Family is all about please post Happy Birthday January 7th! Thanks!

Thank you for the FYI!

[Results]

Roxanne's Birthday is January 3rd and the article will be released January 7th. Wednesday will be her Birthday!

FDInlaw your welcome and thank you for posting on Roxanne's forum. You are much appreciated.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13430

"A Pope County jury trial is expected to begin Jan. 16 for the man charged with murdering the young Nona Dirksmeyer — her long-time boyfriend, Kevin Jones of Dover. The trial is expected to take 10 days, with more than 100 witnesses slated to testify — including Jones."

[FDInLaw]

>snip<
Quite frankly, i don't think he could act his way out of a paper bag.
>snip<

This is driving me crazy. . . I know I have seen this exact statement somewhere else on the internet. Did anyone else catch that? Please PM me if you know where it is. Thanks ~ FD

[Brainstorm]

I read that same statement,FD,sometime in the last few weeks.I've been looking,maybe it is on one of the links.Will keep trying.
Brainstorm

[FDInLaw]

Thanks you two. . . I think I'm going to give up at this point. It really struck me today how many discussions about this case are no longer out there. It looks as if at least two threads are missing from Steve Huff's crime blog as well as a few on the pageant site. The moral of the story folks is save anything interesting because tomorrow it might not be there!

Thanks to all who have helped keep this forum alive through the quiet spell, without your help this forum may have disappeared too.

[Amy]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13430

"A Pope County jury trial is expected to begin Jan. 16 for the man charged with murdering the young Nona Dirksmeyer — her long-time boyfriend, Kevin Jones of Dover. The trial is expected to take 10 days, with more than 100 witnesses slated to testify — including Jones."


For whatever reason, these couriernews links don't work for me over here (this one and the body at Dover one-which DID work for me on the other board.)

But, I digress ;)

I see it says KJ is slated to testify. Wonder if that will really happen? A lot of defendants don't, altho some do, and most people think they really should.

[FDInLaw]

For whatever reason, these couriernews links don't work for me over here (this one and the body at Dover one-which DID work for me on the other board.)

But, I digress ;)

I see it says KJ is slated to testify. Wonder if that will really happen? A lot of defendants don't, altho some do, and most people think they really should.


http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=13430&Search=nona%20dirksmeyer

When the article moves from the front page the link changes. ;)

It's great that Kevin is taking the stand, the only thing disappointing is that I may not be there!

[Brainstorm]

To Nonas' Family: Although nothing can bring your dear Nona back and your hearts are still heavy and grieving,please try to take some satisfaction in the process ahead.Its a shame that this KILLER is going to get a chance to try to lie his way out of this.I hope the prosecuter chews him up,makes him squirm,exposes his lies and spits him out.!!!!!!!!!!!I hope all those who try to lie for him get tripped up and exposed.I would love to be there for you,but since I can't then please believe that my prayers and support go with you each day. LET JUSTICE PREVAIL.Sincerely,Brainstorm

[hawgustusgloop]

I bet the prosecuting attorney is positively salivating at the prospect of cross-examining this guy.

[FDInLaw]

I bet the prosecuting attorney is positively salivating at the prospect of cross-examining this guy.

No doubt there are a good number of folks finding joy in the prospect! The trial can’t get under way soon enough! :hat:

Justice4Nona!

[FDInLaw]

I’m sure Nona’s family is touched by the love and support that has been expressed here.

For Nona and her loved ones. . . Justice is on the way!
:rose:

[Brainstorm]

I bet the prosecuting attorney is positively salivating at the prospect of cross-examining this guy.

Don't you just know it !!!!!! I would love to be there that day.I've been wondering also if Chelsea(good friend) is going to be called as witness or if that even plays into this.
JMHO
brainstorm

[FDInLaw]

Don't you just know it !!!!!! I would love to be there that day.I've been wondering also if Chelsea(good friend) is going to be called as witness or if that even plays into this.
JMHO
brainstorm

Chelsea will be on the stand according to the Response to the Motion for Discovery. I don’t want to be disrespectful, but from what I have read she appears to be more Kevin’s friend than Nona’s. Just my observation.

[Brainstorm]

Exactly,that was my impression from reading the posts and linksI thought she was in love with him(MOO) and was worried that she might try to lie and cover for him.I'm sure the prosecutor can handle that.
MOO
brainstorm

[FDInLaw]

Exactly,that was my impression from reading the posts and linksI thought she was in love with him(MOO) and was worried that she might try to lie and cover for him.I'm sure the prosecutor can handle that.
MOO
brainstorm

Word on the street has it that she is not really into guys (if you get what I mean). . . this topic came up earlier on this thread. . . and Chelsea took a bit of a beating. I don't want to see that repeated. Chelsea did state on some of her personal web sites that she is a lesbian (these sites have since been shut down). Some of her statements struck me as strange as well. However, regardless of who she stands by, etc. I do feel for her, the whole thing must been extremely difficult and I pray that in the end she will be able to come to terms with Kevin's guilt if he is in fact guilty.

As always, just my opinion.

[FDInLaw]

James Bacon was CoP at Pine Bluff PRIOR to coming to Russellville. He went to some where in Missouri.

Hi kg! Long time no see! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

:seeya: howdy, been awhile

Sure glad to see you! This board needs a good mix of folks and you add to the discussion a lot. It's not very thought provoking if everyone agrees Kevin is guilty.

[FDInLaw]

I must say that when it comes to irritation and making your temper flare that I have been beaten, hands down! Whew!!!

Did you irritate me once upon a time?
:rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

:no: Oh, you are well aware of what I mean......


I was honestly happy to see you return. Obviously, I have irritated you in some way and I am sorry for that. If you feel the need to discuss it further you know how to reach me. Sincerely ~ FD

[FDInLaw]

You know, I am really starting to get a complex here. . . one would think I was breaking pinkies and chasing people off behind the scenes.

This forum is for discussing Nona's case, can't we all just do that? :(

[FDInLaw]

A big HOWDY to the Courier reporter! To what do we owe this pleasure?

:seeya:

[Brainstorm]

Please keep us up to date with any and all news articles.Thanks,brainstorm

[janieginocchio]

Thanks for the welcome, and I'm just doing some research.

I don't have anything to add, unfortunately, except to say The Courier's coverage of Nona's case will resume in the next week or so as Kevin's trial date approaches.

I will try to keep Freshwater apprised of any articles we run.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for the welcome, and I'm just doing some research.

I don't have anything to add, unfortunately, except to say The Courier's coverage of Nona's case will resume in the next week or so as Kevin's trial date approaches.

I will try to keep Freshwater apprised of any articles we run.

Thank you, Janie! We all appreciate the faithful coverage the Courier has provided and the long hours that has involved. You guys are great!

:seeya:

[janieginocchio]

Will you be in the courtroom during the trial?

Brooke Chambers and I both will be attending the trial -- The Courier is literally putting every resource it has into covering this.

Locals should pick up the print version of tomorrow's (Sunday) paper. The website should be updated sometime Monday afternoon.

[janieginocchio]

Thank you, Janie! We all appreciate the faithful coverage the Courier has provided and the long hours that has involved. You guys are great!

:seeya:
I'm glad to see that you appreciate the coverage -- I just joined the paper recently, so I'm only beginning to contribute. I'll be sure to pass the message along.

[FDInLaw]

Do you have a link? TIA.


The article will be posted online tomorrow.

Thank you, KG, for posting those sections.

[Amy]

Are there records open even with the gag order? I didn't think anything would come out about the evidence and such til during the trial?

But, thanks for the report.

[lemoncello]

Are there records open even with the gag order? I didn't think anything would come out about the evidence and such til during the trial?

But, thanks for the report.

gag order applies to people...
docs in story are in court file...
open to the public...

u gotta wonder what the def's
stretegy is on this much
detail in public docs...
influence the jury or just st00pid

[FDInLaw]

gag order applies to people...
docs in story are in court file...
open to the public...

u gotta wonder what the def's
stretegy is on this much
detail in public docs...
influence the jury or just st00pid

From the details given, it appears this trial may be reduced to each side presenting experts with differing opinions. Which leaves the jury with a real dilemma. . . whom should they believe? This is going to be a boring and quick trial if Kevin's defense team can't come up with more! It would be nice if they could find the kid an alibi for one. . . but I guess they can't if there isn't one. The fact that a condom wrapper was found in plan sight, baring someone else’s DNA, isn’t necessarily good for Kevin. Nona wasn’t killed with the wrapper, yes it does indicate that someone else was there at some point but unless they find more on this mystery individual to tie him to the crime he is not a serious suspect IMO. Of course the initial point was to come against Mark Frost’s deductions in the probable cause statement. Do keep in mind though, that when someone is serious about planting evidence, that evidence often does indicate someone else (that’s the point). The sad thing is though, the condom wrapper may not have been planted at all, but may have been the very thing that set Kevin off. Other than the deceased there is only one person that really knows. MOO

Welcome to the board, Lemoncello!

[Brainstorm]

From the details given, it appears this trial may be reduced to each side presenting experts with differing opinions. Which leaves the jury with a real dilemma. . . whom should they believe? This is going to be a boring and quick trial if Kevin's defense team can't come up with more! It would be nice if they could find the kid an alibi for one. . . but I guess they can't if there isn't one. The fact that a condom wrapper was found in plan sight, baring someone else’s DNA, isn’t necessarily good for Kevin. Nona wasn’t killed with the wrapper, yes it does indicate that someone else was there at some point but unless they find more on this mystery individual to tie him to the crime he is not a serious suspect IMO. Of course the initial point was to come against Mark Frost’s deductions in the probable cause statement. Do keep in mind though, that when someone is serious about planting evidence, that evidence often does indicate someone else (that’s the point). The sad thing is though, the condom wrapper may not have been planted at all, but may have been the very thing that set Kevin off. Other than the deceased there is only one person that really knows. MOO

Welcome to the board, Lemoncello!


the condom wrapper.......... may have been the very thing that set Keven off.
That's the very thought that went thru my mind .

Also welcome Lemoncello !

JMHO

[FDInLaw]

Hi FD! How are you today? I thought the autopsy report showed no signs of sexual activity and I don't recall reading anywhere about LE finding a used condom. IMO, KJ could've picked that wrapper up at the gas station or any other number of places. I would think that by now LE is aware of any other men Nona may have been dating and that wrapper is just a red herring. Eight days and counting down for justice for Nona!:rose:

JMHO.


There was no sign of sexual assault and the actual condom was never found. You're right, the condom wrapper could have been picked up anywhere. I think it's important that the DNA is identified. Did the guy even know Nona? JMO

[FDInLaw]

the condom wrapper.......... may have been the very thing that set Keven off.
That's the very thought that went thru my mind .

Also welcome Lemoncello !

JMHO

We are not alone. . . every single person I have talked to about this has said the same thing!

[FDInLaw]

Wasn't the condom wrapper found on a kitchen counter or someplace like that?

Here’s a quick quote from the Probable Cause Statement. . . The condom wrapper was found on the kitchen counter.

“During the processing of the crime scene, Affiant found a condom wrapper on a kitchen counter next to the living room. An extensive search was made for a condom, including the removal of the toilets in both bathrooms. No condom was found. The medical examiner in his report of the 16th of March, 2006, found no evidence of injury of any type to the external genitalia, vaginal introitus, or vaginal canal and stated to affiant that there was no evidence of sexual assault or trauma. Affiant knows from his training and experience that rape/murders are very rare. In 2004, there were 14,121 murders committed in the United States, and of those victims, only 36 were raped. Based on his training and experience and consultation with the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit, it is Affiant’s belief that the condom wrapper was placed on the counter to make it appear as if rape was the motive for the attack.”

[Einfuhlung]

Thank you to everyone for the welcome (three weeks late, i know), and it will take more than one pig headed person to keep my thoughts to myself.

I'll confess my knowledge of the case isn't as well-informed as others- i'm not a note-taker, but what i said is what i had gathered from people in the community.

And, regardless of what you might think, Kevin isn't, wasn't, and never will be an actor. Couldn't act his way onto a lit stage.

I only wish i wasn't working on the 16th, so i could sit in on the trial. But, i don't have too many worries about finding out exactly what happened.

I still hold firm that i don't think Kevin did it. It'll take a confession from him for me to believe it.

As far as the Courier being reliable news.. well, they certainly have a way with words, playing with the community's emotions. I've read most of the articles. I'll probably go get a Sunday's edition from a friend to read that one, but when i have reasonable, intelligent people i know telling me that they read in the Courier that "Kevin confessed he did it", and i have to point out that "turned himself in" doesn't mean "he did it", and explain the whole warrent thing... Well, it's irritating.

I thought it was a decent newspaper until Fred Gladis told us why and how he quit.

Anyway, that's off topic.

I've read some of the newer posts, and still didn't take notes over that. I do appreciate the corrections, quotes, and so forth.
But all that i've heard (minus the Courier reports) is what the community thinks. People who know Kevin, or knew Nona, some of those people who were getting better news than the Courier is. None of us are writing these things down, like we want to remember in 5 years.

I just hope the right person is caught, convicted, and sentenced, that the jury is unbiased or tainted with poor reporting.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13486

[woopig_sooie]

We are not alone. . . every single person I have talked to about this has said the same thing!

see this just makes me believe even more that Kevin is innocent.

this puts an unknown man at the crime scene........

[Brainstorm]

see this just makes me believe even more that Kevin is innocent.

this puts an unknown man at the crime scene........

Not at all !! It means KJ probably put the wrapper there (IMO) to make it appear someone else had been there. They emptied the toilets !!! and found nothing. I believe the prosection has much more to reveal during the trial and this will be explained.
JMHO

[FDInLaw]

see this just makes me believe even more that Kevin is innocent.

this puts an unknown man at the crime scene........

With no sign of sexual trauma or the condom itself, it appears the condom (if used on the premiss) was used earlier IMO. I do hope they identify the DNA and bring more closure to this issue. In order to establish the person as a suspect they need to find more than what's been stated I'm afraid. As in any home, there were prints and DNA found for a good number of individuals I'm sure. The DNA puts an unknown male in Nona's home, but without further evidence, it does not put him there during the time of the murder. Again, the condom wrapper did not kill Nona, the lamp is what is believe did. . . and there you find Kevin's bloody prints. It still doesn't look good for Kevin. JMO

[woopig_sooie]

Not at all !! It means KJ probably put the wrapper there (IMO) to make it appear someone else had been there. They emptied the toilets !!! and found nothing. I believe the prosection has much more to reveal during the trial and this will be explained.
JMHO
so do you think that every condom that is flushed will end up inside the toilet? i'm sure some of them do, but if they all did then my toilet would not be flushing right now.

[FDInLaw]

so do you think that every condom that is flushed will end up inside the toilet? i'm sure some of them do, but if they all did then my toilet would not be flushing right now.


Gee, do you really think we want to know that? You comment safely falls under TMI (TOO MUCH INFORMATION) IMO.
:cool:

[woopig_sooie]

sorry about the "TMI", but it was needed to make my point.
the condom wasn't in the toilet, this doens't mean the wrapper was just a false piece of evidence planted by kj.

Like you said fd, it puts an unknown male in her home. maybe not at the crime scene, but maybe so.... This is called reasonable doubt, IMO

[woopig_sooie]

I'd still like to know about any unknown fingerprints found in the apartment. Particularly in and around the kitchen and kitchen counters. JMHO.

yeah, me too. I wonder if any were found on the lamp as well???

[Amy]

gag order applies to people...
docs in story are in court file...
open to the public...

u gotta wonder what the def's
stretegy is on this much
detail in public docs...
influence the jury or just st00pid

Thanks. I just tho't I had read that the paper wasn't putting anything out, either, til the trial (in the article about the 1 year anniversary.) I guess, tho, that if they find new documents relating to the case, that leave them open to publish them.

[lemoncello]

...but when i have reasonable, intelligent people i know telling me that they read in the Courier that "Kevin confessed he did it", and i have to point out that "turned himself in" doesn't mean "he did it", and explain the whole warrent thing... Well, it's irritating.

I thought it was a decent newspaper until Fred Gladis told us why and how he quit.

Anyway, that's off topic.

I've read some of the newer posts, and still didn't take notes over that. I do appreciate the corrections, quotes, and so forth.
But all that i've heard (minus the Courier reports) is what the community thinks. People who know Kevin, or knew Nona, some of those people who were getting better news than the Courier is. None of us are writing these things down, like we want to remember in 5 years.

I just hope the right person is caught, convicted, and sentenced, that the jury is unbiased or tainted with poor reporting.

sounds like its more a problem
with your 'resasonable, intelligent"
friends' reading comprehension skills...
than with any1's reporting

i do like how u try
to make the newspaper
the strawman, tho
since you dont post
anything...
verifiable...
which the paper is legally
responsible...
to do...
and does...
hence the use of the public docs...

[FDInLaw]

sorry about the "TMI", but it was needed to make my point.
the condom wasn't in the toilet, this doens't mean the wrapper was just a false piece of evidence planted by kj.

Like you said fd, it puts an unknown male in her home. maybe not at the crime scene, but maybe so.... This is called reasonable doubt, IMO

If I hand you a book and you take it home, do my prints on the book prove I’ve been in your home? Of course not, you brought something with my prints on it into your home. Find some of my hair on your couch and now you might have something. Again, I believe they will need more evidence.

The more I think about this the more I wonder. I'm sure the prosecution filled a motion for discovery just like the defense team did. It's "interesting" that this new DNA stuff is filled just two weeks from the trial date. I wonder how long they have been sitting on it and if this is an attempt to have the trial postponed. If they were sure they had the goods to get Kevin off they wouldn’t resort to these tactics IMO.

[Amy]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=13486

Thanks!!!!

I wonder--do Nona's parents think Kevin is innocent? If not, that must be a pretty hard place to be--on the defense witness list. If not, are they then considered hostile witnesses?

Prayers for her family.

[Amy]

With no sign of sexual trauma or the condom itself, it appears the condom (if used on the premiss) was used earlier IMO. I do hope they identify the DNA and bring more closure to this issue. In order to establish the person as a suspect they need to find more than what's been stated I'm afraid. As in any home, there were prints and DNA found for a good number of individuals I'm sure. The DNA puts an unknown male in Nona's home, but without further evidence, it does not put him there during the time of the murder. Again, the condom wrapper did not kill Nona, the lamp is what is believe did. . . and there you find Kevin's bloody prints. It still doesn't look good for Kevin. JMO

On the blood and bloody fingerprints on the lamp. I'm wondering where the defense is goin' with that? There was experimentation (or whatever it is called) by their experts to determine how long it would take blood to dry. If they are saying the blood would already have been dried at the time that Kevin et al arrived, then Kevin's prints would HAVE to have been on the lamp at the time of the murder. Or, are they saying the blood would NOT have had time to dry, and Kevin must have gotten his prints on the lamp at the time he moved his hands thru the blood to see if it was fresh or whatever it was he was doing.

Guess maybe that is what they will come out with during the trial--

[woopig_sooie]

If I hand you a book and you take it home, do my prints on the book prove I’ve been in your home? Of course not, you brought something with my prints on it into your home. Find some of my hair on your couch and now you might have something. Again, I believe they will need more evidence.

good point, and they may need more evidence to use this angle effectively in court.

but how can u prove that the wrapper was planted. they obviously didn't find any evidence that kevin touched it.

people, I'm not trying to use this to say that "Kevin did not do it", all i'm saying is that this along with other reported facts leave quite a bit of doubt in my mind.

FD, Agree to disagree? ;)

[woopig_sooie]

On the blood and bloody fingerprints on the lamp. I'm wondering where the defense is goin' with that? There was experimentation (or whatever it is called) by their experts to determine how long it would take blood to dry. If they are saying the blood would already have been dried at the time that Kevin et al arrived, then Kevin's prints would HAVE to have been on the lamp at the time of the murder. Or, are they saying the blood would NOT have had time to dry, and Kevin must have gotten his prints on the lamp at the time he moved his hands thru the blood to see if it was fresh or whatever it was he was doing.

Guess maybe that is what they will come out with during the trial--

I would think that they are are trying to say that the prints were still wet when the police arrived, and that they would have been dry if he left them earlier in the day. This is just my guess though.

[FDInLaw]

good point, and they may need more evidence to use this angle effectively in court.

but how can u prove that the wrapper was planted. they obviously didn't find any evidence that kevin touched it.

people, I'm not trying to use this to say that "Kevin did not do it", all i'm saying is that this along with other reported facts leave quite a bit of doubt in my mind.

FD, Agree to disagree? ;)

I've said this before. . . this site would not be very thought provoking if everyone agreed 100%. I'm glad you're here woopig sooie.
:seeya:

[lemoncello]

any1 else bugged
by how KJ saw her body...
why would the curtains be open
if by chance someone else killed her?
wouldn't they want them closed
so no one could witness
the crime...

if it were a crime of passion
and the curtains were open...
wouldnt the killer close them...
to delay finding the body?

3 window blind panels were
on the evidence list
along with a white bra,
green sweater,
jeans with panties inside...
is it possible whoever killed her stripped her
nude?

hopefully some1 can post
the actual 911 call...
the contrast is startling
between the hysterial mother
and calm kevin...
even when he said she was dead...
there was no, break or crack in his voice at all
of course, this is just one dink's opinion

[FDInLaw]

key words: "no sign of sexual assault" not sexual activity-- those are not one in the same

Very true. However, if Nona had been with another guy that day you would think they would have found more physical evidence for it.

[FDInLaw]

Kevin's bloody palm print was found on the lightbulb, for goodness sake. How many people have picked a lamp up by the lightbullb and swung it at some one hard enough to kill them? Gee, I think that would be near impossible.

Don't underestimate the defense. I imagine they know a lot more than has been released. I think it will gain shock factor at the trial.

Both sides know more than what's been released, that's a given.

[lemoncello]

probable cause says "the weighted base and the light bulb had blood on them"
then they discuss fingerprints found on the light bulb...
then, "the print on the lamp bulb was identified as palm print impression of Kevin Jones"
its possible that bulb in2nd reference is
a typo and frost meant base...
possible then, maybe to pick up
lamp by base and base someone's skull, no?
there are other typo errors in PCS...

in my experience, college boys
don't care too much about
pesky things like garbage
could have been at a friends house...
picked up a condom wrapper out of their
trash can...
maybe lying next to a used condom
which would transfer DNA...
think Merrick also suggested
him getting it from the gas station....
always a possibility...
there might be a level of premedidtation no1
is giving KJ credit for

what if he killed her in a fit
left in a hurry...
realized he'd be a prime suspect...
and went back to plant the wrapper...
open the curtains...
hide the stick ...
take off her clothes...

wouldn't take much time...
and his whereabouts between 2 and 6
haven't yet been accounted for in public sphere...
just a wild guess...

besides...
who goes to the trouble of
disposing a condom...
but leaves the wrapper on the KITCHEN
COUNTER (ick)
why not dispose of wrapper @ the same time...

[Brainstorm]

Gee whiz,kg, I thought that just meant that sometime during the process he touched the bulb with a bloody hand,not that he picked it up by the bulb.You all remember KJ watched a lot of crime shows,forencis type stuff.Didn't he tell the LE that right away? IIRC. I am confident that the prosecuter didn't overlook that.
JMO

[lemoncello]

I think any typos from the PCS would have been announced and widely discussed long before the gag order went in to effect.

Uh.....now if KJ went through all that trouble, where are his prints on the wrapper? And, if he wiped them off, why did it not destroy the other person's DNA? Hmmmm......

if you look at the orig. PCS,
there's one typo that was hand
corrected (changing 2005 to 2006)
one of the sentences i quoted didn't even
end in a period

my guess is why hash it out
in the media when where it
really counts is the court... the PCS may have
a typo but crime scene photos will
show irrefutably where the prints are...
your assumptions are no more valid than mine at the moment...

as for fingerprints on the wrapper, i will quote you:
"Just because it wasn't addressed doesn't mean it was not found."
i'm no CSI...
but i don't think wiping something
would necessarily destroy dna...
since it could have been anywhere on the wrapper,
even inside...
IMO, of course...

[Brainstorm]

kg,we are here to discuss a very serious matter.No one cares about your sexual activites.You are rude and insensitive.
JMHO

[FDInLaw]

kg,we are here to discuss a very serious matter.No one cares about your sexual activites.You are rude and insensitive.
JMHO

I'm going to have to chime in with you. . . the comment was distasteful.

:cool:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=39787

"RUSSELLVILLE, Ark. (AP) -- Defense lawyers for a man accused of the 2005 slaying of an Arkansas Tech student have filed D-N-A evidence they say rules out their client as the assailant."


This really cracks me up. . . who are they trying to kid? :lol:

[FDInLaw]

"Jones trial is now scheduled for July."

http://www.kfsm.com/global/story.asp?s=5909395

Now, that's a real shocker (sarcasm fully intended). :cool:

[hawgustusgloop]

Kevin's bloody palm print was found on the lightbulb, for goodness sake. How many people have picked a lamp up by the lightbullb and swung it at some one hard enough to kill them? Gee, I think that would be near impossible.

Don't underestimate the defense. I imagine they know a lot more than has been released. I think it will gain shock factor at the trial.

If there was a bloody print on the bulb, that wouldn't necessarily IMO mean he would have had to grab the lamp by the bulb to hit her. His hand would have to be bloody at the time he picked it up to leave a bloody print, so maybe he just moved it afterward for some reason.

[FDInLaw]

If there was a bloody print on the bulb, that wouldn't necessarily IMO mean he would have had to grab the lamp by the bulb to hit her. His hand would have to be bloody at the time he picked it up to leave a bloody print, so maybe he just moved it afterward for some reason.

Another thought, if no prints were found on the mid-section of the lamp (where it would have been held to administer the blow) this suggest the perpetrator was wearing gloves, or that the lamp was wiped down IMO. Kevin did mention watching Law & Order to the police. You would think when asked if he touched the lamp he would have said; "You know, in the state of shock I was in I'm not sure what I touched." That would have been the smart thing to say. However, if he wiped the weapon down he might have been confident that his prints were not there. This is where the lightbulb comes in. . . because of their fragile nature, no one really touches one unless they are changing it. . . obviously, Kevin touched it without realizing it. The question remains. . . when did he touch it? I have no doubt that Kevin Jones is an intelligent kid . . . but murder is a tricky business, and I’m not convinced he was smart enough to avoid making some mistakes. I believe the print on the lamp may be just that, a little detail that was neglected. JMO

[woopig_sooie]

Another thought, if no prints were found on the mid-section of the lamp (where it would have been held to administer the blow) this suggest the perpetrator was wearing gloves, or that the lamp was wiped down IMO. Kevin did mention watching Law & Order to the police. You would think when asked if he touched the lamp he would have said; "You know, in the state of shock I was in I'm not sure what I touched." That would have been the smart thing to say. However, if he wiped the weapon down he might have been confident that his prints were not there. This is where the lightbulb comes in. . . because of their fragile nature, no one really touches one unless they are changing it. . . obviously, Kevin touched it without realizing it. The question remains. . . when did he touch it? I have no doubt that Kevin Jones is an intelligent kid . . . but murder is a tricky business, and I’m not convinced he was smart enough to avoid making some mistakes. I believe the print on the lamp may be just that, a little detail that was neglected. JMOOr maybe he really didn't remember touching the lamp, in which case he did lie to the cops, but not intentionally.

If you're trying to cover up a murder that you just commited, how can you not see bloody prints on a light bulb. Light bulbs are white (usually), blood is red. One would think that it would be hard to miss. If kevin was such a smart guy and knew all about forensics from watching tv, then why did he not remove this obvious clue. It just doens't make since to me.

[woopig_sooie]

If there was a bloody print on the bulb, that wouldn't necessarily IMO mean he would have had to grab the lamp by the bulb to hit her. His hand would have to be bloody at the time he picked it up to leave a bloody print, so maybe he just moved it afterward for some reason.
why would he pick it up by the bulb? light bulbs are fragile.

[FDInLaw]

Or maybe he really didn't remember touching the lamp, in which case he did lie to the cops, but not intentionally.

If you're trying to cover up a murder that you just commited, how can you not see bloody prints on a light bulb. Light bulbs are white (usually), blood is red. One would think that it would be hard to miss. If kevin was such a smart guy and knew all about forensics from watching tv, then why did he not remove this obvious clue. It just doens't make since to me.

You’re right, it is strange that Kevin did not see the bloody print. The lamp was found in three pieces. . . maybe he did not realize he touched the top part and did not look at it closely. The actual position of the lamp is important. If the top portion was located close to (I’d say within a foot of) Nona’s body it’s reasonable that Kevin may have touched it on discovery. . . if it was several feet away, touching it would have been less likely IMO. The Probable Cause Statement states;

“During affiant’s processing of the crime scene, affiant observed a floor lamp which was located within a few feet of Nona’s body.”

From that we know that the pieces were close by. Unfortunately, we don’t know the actual placement of the top portion of the lamp. . . I believe that detail is very important. For instance, it’s more likely Kevin could have touched the light bulb on discovery if it were near Nona’s shoulder than lets say her foot. . . JMO. Another thing to note, not only did Kevin state that he did not touch the lamp, but Ryan stated he did not see Kevin touch it. Also from the Probable Cause Statement;


"Despite his actions at the crime scene (laying on the body, putting his hands in the blood) Jones denied ever touching the lamp when the body was discovered. This was confirmed by a sworn statement by Whiteside who stated that he didn’t see Jones touch anything other than Nona and a greeting card. For reasons explained in more detail below, affiant reasonably believes that the lamp with Jones’ fingerprint impressed in blood was the weapon which was used to administer the lethal blow to Nona’s skull."

[optimumprimal78]

Hey i just wanted to say that it is good to be on here. I was wondering if there was anymore information as to why the trial was pushed back. Nothing has really been said other than what was in the article on KFSM.

[FDInLaw]

Hey i just wanted to say that it is good to be on here. I was wondering if there was anymore information as to why the trial was pushed back. Nothing has really been said other than what was in the article on KFSM.

Welcome to the board! :seeya:

I'm sure that the DNA evidence, that was filled by the defense last week, is the reason why the trial date has been moved.

[optimumprimal78]

Thanks for the welcome FD! How do you guys think the jury will look at how KJ has spent his time after the arrest? I know that he has been seen riding around with friends and trying to live some sort of life but I wonder how his day to day activities since being arrested will come into play.