Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's ArDemGaz:
A judge on Monday dismissed an Arkansas Tech University student's libel lawsuit against The Courier newspaper.
The complaint, filed Feb. 5 by Ryan Whiteside of Russellville, said the newspaper printed an article Jan. 11 that "contained false accusations" implicating him in "the comission of a crime or crimes.
In the decision Monday, Pope County Circuit Judge Dennis Sutterfield wrote: The court finds that the publications at issue in this case were a fair and substantially true account of the [Russellville] police report, police documents and prosecutor's report and that there is no showing...that these publicatons stated any untruths outside that context."
The judge continued, "The police reports, statements and other documents may contain untruths, but a long as the defendants gave a substantially fair account of the contents of those documents then they are not liable under the fair-report privilege doctrine.
R. David Lewis , a Little Rock attorney who represented Whiteside, said his client is considering an appeal.
The lawsuit named Scott Perkins, the newspaper's editor, as a defendant as well as the newspaper's owner, Paxton Media Group LLC of Paducah, Ky; Publisher Neal Ronquist; and Janie Ginocchio, the reporter whose byline was on the Jan 11 article and a related article Jan. 15. Ginocchio has since been named managing editor.
The lawsuit acused the newspaper of negligence, contending it, among other things published a police report marked "no press," carried the story before any charges were filed and failed to contact Whiteside for a statement.
The Jan. 15 article reported Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons' decision not to file charges in the matter. The lawsuit said the paper used that article as "an opportunity to republish all the salacious allegations" and add others.

>>used that article as "an opportunity to republish all the salacious allegations

Maybe I'm still asleep, but doesn't continuing to file lawsuits against a corporation fulfilling its duties to the community and its business goals do exactly the same thing?

[Amy]

snip....
>>used that article as "an opportunity to republish all the salacious allegations

Maybe I'm still asleep, but doesn't continuing to file lawsuits against a corporation fulfilling its duties to the community and its business goals do exactly the same thing?

As I was reading, I tho't--they ought to drop it while they're ahead. Why keep putting things to the forefront?

I think the judge ruled just like some posters saw it: it was information from the police blotter. If it was "not for news" then it should not have been included in the blotter open to not only newspapers, but I am assuming John Q Public can walk in and ask to look at it.

Thanks for the update.

[FDInLaw]

From today's ArDemGaz:
A judge on Monday dismissed an Arkansas Tech University student's libel lawsuit against The Courier newspaper.
The complaint, filed Feb. 5 by Ryan Whiteside of Russellville, said the newspaper printed an article Jan. 11 that "contained false accusations" implicating him in "the comission of a crime or crimes.
In the decision Monday, Pope County Circuit Judge Dennis Sutterfield wrote: The court finds that the publications at issue in this case were a fair and substantially true account of the [Russellville] police report, police documents and prosecutor's report and that there is no showing...that these publicatons stated any untruths outside that context."
The judge continued, "The police reports, statements and other documents may contain untruths, but a long as the defendants gave a substantially fair account of the contents of those documents then they are not liable under the fair-report privilege doctrine.
R. David Lewis , a Little Rock attorney who represented Whiteside, said his client is considering an appeal.
The lawsuit named Scott Perkins, the newspaper's editor, as a defendant as well as the newspaper's owner, Paxton Media Group LLC of Paducah, Ky; Publisher Neal Ronquist; and Janie Ginocchio, the reporter whose byline was on the Jan 11 article and a related article Jan. 15. Ginocchio has since been named managing editor.
The lawsuit acused the newspaper of negligence, contending it, among other things published a police report marked "no press," carried the story before any charges were filed and failed to contact Whiteside for a statement.
The Jan. 15 article reported Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons' decision not to file charges in the matter. The lawsuit said the paper used that article as "an opportunity to republish all the salacious allegations" and add others.

>>used that article as "an opportunity to republish all the salacious allegations

Maybe I'm still asleep, but doesn't continuing to file lawsuits against a corporation fulfilling its duties to the community and its business goals do exactly the same thing?
Yes, IMO it does. I figured this lawsuit would go nowhere and would only cause the family more embarrassment. I wonder if there are any new documents available FIA now that the case has been dismissed? Huh.

Maybe there is hope for our judicial system after all. It's still heartbreaking that it let Nona down in a horrendous way.

:rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's The Courier:

Pope County Circuit Judge Dennis Sutterfield on Monday dismissed a libel lawsuit filed against The Courier in February by Ryan Whiteside. Whiteside's name made headlines in the aftermath of the December 2005 murder of Nona Dirksmeyer after authorities indicated he, Kevin Jones - who was later acquitted of the murder - and Jones' mother, Janice discovered Dirksmeyer's body in her South Inglewood Avenue apartment. Whiteside filed the suit in response to two articles that appeared in The Courier on Jan. 11 and 15. Both were based on a Dec. 31, 2005, police report in which a woman told police she was allegedly raped while at a house party on North Greenwich Avenue the night of Dec. 28.
In dismissing the suit Sutterfield wrote, "the publications at issue in this case were a fair and substantially true account of the police report, police documents and prosecutor's report." Furthermore, he added, "there is no showing that theses publications stated any untruths outside that context."
In his complaint against Russellville Newspapers, Inc.; Paxton Media Group, LLC; former Courier Publisher Neal Ronquist; Courier Editor Scott Perkins and former Courier reporter and current Managing Editor Janie Ginocchio, Whiteside alleged the police report The Courier used for the two articles was hearsay.
The report was "based entirely on statements made by the victim of the alleged rape...who was quoted as saying that she "couldn't remember what happened" and by the cousin of the alleged victim...who accompanied the alleged victim to the police station but was not present at any time the [sec] during the alleged rape or related activities," according to court filings by Whiteside's attorneys.
Sutterfield in ruling to dismiss the lawsuit, however, noted that "police reports, stateents and other documents may contain untruths, but as long as the [The Courier] gave a substantially fair account of the contents of those documents then they are not liable under the fair-report privilege doctrine."
Whiteside's attorney, Clay Moore of Houston, Texas, told a Courier reporter Monday afternoon he was aware Sutterfield granted The Courier's motion for summary judgment in the suit.
"We respectfully believe that the decision was in error and are considering an appeal," Moore said, noting his client will have 30 [sic] days in which to file the appeal should he decide to do so.
The articles at issue, which were written by Ginocchio, reported the Arkansas State Police was investigating an alleged rape a woman told a friend occurred during a party that took place at Whiteside's home.
Following Ginocchio's first article about the investigation,, 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons declined to file charges in connection with the rape allegations.

Curious as to how Whiteside and Jeff Simmons (the alleged rapist) feel towards Chelsea Huckabay. Isn't she the one who really brought this incident to the attention of the alleged victim, the police, press, etc? Wonder what would possess her to give the girl false information, if it was indeed false information, or if it was strictly the fact that the victim's behavior was questionable after the incident that Gibbons declined to bring charges. Kevin and his friends have to be some lucky ducks. Wonder if the luck will outlast the propensity to get into trouble. Hope Gibbons will release the reports to the public now.

[FDInLaw]

In dismissing the suit Sutterfield wrote, "the publications at issue in this case were a fair and substantially true account of the police report, police documents and prosecutor's report." I bet this statement caused no end of joy in the Courier office! Good for them! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

The First Amendment rules. :beer:

[jeremiads]

As if anybody is actually surprised by this case being thrown out, but it's nice to see such a baseless lawsuit dismissed because of its ridiculous premise.

[CSOKC]

I wonder what's next for these boys? I like to believe that Kevin will slip up one day and tell someone that he killed Nona. I'm sure some people already know, but maybe next time he'll tell someone that won't keep it a secret. Of course, this is all based off of my opinion that he is the guilty party. Sometimes I hope that he isn't, just because I hate to think that he can walk around for the rest of his life and never have to pay for what he did. I know he will have to pay when it really counts though.

[sweetgranny]

I wonder what's next for these boys? I like to believe that Kevin will slip up one day and tell someone that he killed Nona. I'm sure some people already know, but maybe next time he'll tell someone that won't keep it a secret. Of course, this is all based off of my opinion that he is the guilty party. Sometimes I hope that he isn't, just because I hate to think that he can walk around for the rest of his life and never have to pay for what he did. I know he will have to pay when it really counts though.

If he did it (and I think he did) and he does tell someone, it won't matter. Double Jeopardy will be in effect and he can NEVER be tried again for this murder.:shrug:

[CSOKC]

If he did it (and I think he did) and he does tell someone, it won't matter. Double Jeopardy will be in effect and he can NEVER be tried again for this murder.:shrug:
That's true, but at least Nona's family will know for sure what happened. Even now if they think he did it, I don't see how they can have closure with the way the trial ended. So I think if he ever admitted that he did it, maybe they could find some closure.

[hawgustusgloop]

If he did it (and I think he did) and he does tell someone, it won't matter. Double Jeopardy will be in effect and he can NEVER be tried again for this murder.:shrug:

There have been rumors posted before that he has jokingly said in the past that he killed Nona. I hope those rumors are not true, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

Does anyone think Kevin actually learned something from this whole experience and will be a model citizen from now on?

[sweetgranny]

There have been rumors posted before that he has jokingly said in the past that he killed Nona. I hope those rumors are not true, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

Does anyone think Kevin actually learned something from this whole experience and will be a model citizen from now on?

That would be nice but I doubt it:mad:

[CSOKC]

There have been rumors posted before that he has jokingly said in the past that he killed Nona. I hope those rumors are not true, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

Does anyone think Kevin actually learned something from this whole experience and will be a model citizen from now on?
I doubt it. I just hope he doesnt have an "I got away with it once..." type of attitude.

As for him jokingly saying he killed Nona, I really hope that isn't true also. I do know one of his ex-girlfriends called him Killer Kevin and he didn't mind. That, to me, speaks volumes.

[hawgustusgloop]

I doubt it. I just hope he doesnt have an "I got away with it once..." type of attitude.


I agree with you. I found it a little disquieting that the experience seems to have made him want to study psychology and law......is that so he would be better equipped to deal with the interrogations,legal system, etc. if and when he commits other crimes? Or maybe it's just because those disciplines don't require students to pass physics?

[lorettalockhorn]

I doubt it. I just hope he doesnt have an "I got away with it once..." type of attitude.

As for him jokingly saying he killed Nona, I really hope that isn't true also. I do know one of his ex-girlfriends called him Killer Kevin and he didn't mind. That, to me, speaks volumes.

The implication could be that she doesn't mind that he might be a killer. I guess that could well be true of his cadre.

[Amy]

There have been rumors posted before that he has jokingly said in the past that he killed Nona. I hope those rumors are not true, regardless of his guilt or innocence.

Does anyone think Kevin actually learned something from this whole experience and will be a model citizen from now on?


Unfortunately, there are some people who, when they get away with something once, whether murder, fraud, robbery, etc, they figure they know how to beat the system and will try it again...and again, for however long they can until they get caught. IMO

[Amy]

If he did it (and I think he did) and he does tell someone, it won't matter. Double Jeopardy will be in effect and he can NEVER be tried again for this murder.:shrug:

There was a case probably quite a few years ago, altho the documentary is still shown on Forensic Files or some like show occasionally.

The fellow (can't remember the name or profession) killed his girl friend with the help of an "old" girl friend. Everybody seemed to know this guy killed her, the old g/f led them to the body AND testified. The downshot was, he was not found guilty. Most of the jurors really tho't he was the murderer, but the State didn't give them the evidence they felt they needed to make that judgement.

Some time later, there were pictures the old g/f had talked about, found hidden in the house he had lived in at the time by the new owners. By that time, he had no problem admitting he had murdered the girl, after all--no one could touch him on that.

They finally got him on some fraudulent types of charges, and he did have to spend time in prison for that.

I can't remember whether or not the family felt "closure"--the parents, at least the mom, had died. The brother talked. There was satisfaction that it was finally known that indeed this man was a murderer, but in the end, he did not have to pay for the crime.

[sweetgranny]

There was a case probably quite a few years ago, altho the documentary is still shown on Forensic Files or some like show occasionally.

The fellow (can't remember the name or profession) killed his girl friend with the help of an "old" girl friend. Everybody seemed to know this guy killed her, the old g/f led them to the body AND testified. The downshot was, he was not found guilty. Most of the jurors really tho't he was the murderer, but the State didn't give them the evidence they felt they needed to make that judgement.

Some time later, there were pictures the old g/f had talked about, found hidden in the house he had lived in at the time by the new owners. By that time, he had no problem admitting he had murdered the girl, after all--no one could touch him on that.

They finally got him on some fraudulent types of charges, and he did have to spend time in prison for that.

I can't remember whether or not the family felt "closure"--the parents, at least the mom, had died. The brother talked. There was satisfaction that it was finally known that indeed this man was a murderer, but in the end, he did not have to pay for the crime.

I know EXACTLY the one you are talking about I saw it a couple of weeks ago....seems they tortured her. I think both parents were dead by the time this all came out...I don't think they ever found her body.:mad:

[Earlybird7]

I think this is the case you are talking about.
Brenda Schaefer and Mel Ignatow (Different articles have different spellings of her name.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/25/48hours/main325645.shtml

[Amy]

I think this is the case you are talking about.
Brenda Schaefer and Mel Ignatow (Different articles have different spellings of her name.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/25/48hours/main325645.shtml

Yes, that is the one. I imagine the family is (glad isn't the word) satisfied? that they do know for sure that the one who killed their sister is absolutely known. But, I imagine there would also be a lot of frustration and heartbreak that the known murderer does not have to pay the price for his actions.

Ignatow didn't admit anything really until the evidence of the pictures came up. Wonder if there will be anything that will show up in this case that will confirm that KJ did in fact kill Nona? I think, tho, if anything will bring him down, it will be that he, or someone who knows the facts, will spout off someday.

[hawgustusgloop]

Ignatow didn't admit anything really until the evidence of the pictures came up. Wonder if there will be anything that will show up in this case that will confirm that KJ did in fact kill Nona? I think, tho, if anything will bring him down, it will be that he, or someone who knows the facts, will spout off someday.

I have heard that the Jones family home in Dover was sold. I guess it is possible something will turn up there someday. I hope the new owners are on the lookout for that missing stick.

[CSOKC]

I have heard that the Jones family home in Dover was sold. I guess it is possible something will turn up there someday. I hope the new owners are on the lookout for that missing stick.
I'm sure they probably did, but does anyone know for sure if the dumpsters outside of the apartments were checked?

[Toonces]

I have heard that the Jones family home in Dover was sold. I guess it is possible something will turn up there someday. I hope the new owners are on the lookout for that missing stick.

The Jones home did sell about 2 weeks ago. Kevin's parents have moved in with Grandma Norma Tate Jones.

The Dipert home remains for sale.

[lorettalockhorn]

I would imagine that their legal fees were quite substantial.

IMO it sure is expensive to help your son get away with murder.



The Jones home did sell about 2 weeks ago. Kevin's parents have moved in with Grandma Norma Tate Jones.

Now we know; the cost is having to live with your mother (in-law). (Assuming the information in correct.)

[ifIwereU]

I'm sure they probably did, but does anyone know for sure if the dumpsters outside of the apartments were checked?

The dumpsters at the apartments were checked; however the dumpster that needed to be checked was the one at the families gas station....it was never checked nor was KJ'S explorer.......the cell phone battery was never found either.

[CSOKC]

The dumpsters at the apartments were checked; however the dumpster that needed to be checked was the one at the families gas station....it was never checked nor was KJ'S explorer.......the cell phone battery was never found either.
Yeah, I knew the cell phone battery was never found. The guys that live at her apartment now told me that during the trial someone came knocking on the door asking if they could search their apartment for the battery. They have also looked for the battery around the apartment and have obviously never found anything. I wonder why just the battery was missing? Wouldn't it make more sense to just take the whole cell phone?

[JustCallMeNora]

Does anyone know yet when the Dateline and 48 Hours shows regarding this case will air? I thought I read on here one possibly would show in December.....

[sweetgranny]

Does anyone know yet when the Dateline and 48 Hours shows regarding this case will air? I thought I read on here one possibly would show in December.....

Oh GOOD question! I had almost forgotten. I sure don't want to miss them!:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Haven't found Nona's story listed on either the CBS or NBC site (yet).

[ifIwereU]

Nona, I never knew you but I can't forget you!!


R.I.P.
:rose:

[ifIwereU]

I heard that Kevin Jones got arrested over the weekend....alcohol related....wonder if it had anything to do with him coping with Nona's murder? I wonder if there were any reported rapes....

[lorettalockhorn]

Do tell? Around Rville, Dover, Ft. Smith??

[sweetgranny]

I heard that Kevin Jones got arrested over the weekend....alcohol related....wonder if it had anything to do with him coping with Nona's murder? I wonder if there were any reported rapes....


Wonder how we can find out if this is true or just a rumor?:shrug:
I would love to know if it is true.:flamemad:

[sweetgranny]

David Gibbons, 5th Judicial Prosecuting Attorney has once again "declined to release the complete investigative file on Dirksmeyer's murderciting 'an ongoing investigation' when The Courtier made a verbal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request on Monday. Full story in today's courier ....www.couriernews.com/:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Prosecutor denies file on Dirksmeyer murder

Cites "ongoing" investigation in denying FOIA request

By Scott Perkins
editor@couriernews.com
One hundred and fifty-two days after Kevin Jones of Dover was acquitted of the first-degree murder of his longtime girlfriend, Nona Dirksmeyer, 5th Judicial Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons yet again declined to release the complete investigative file on Dirksmeyer's murder citing "an ongoing investigation" when The Courier made a verbal Freedom of Information Act (ROIA) request Monday.
When asked what actions on the part of the law enforcement deemed the file to be active or ongoing, Gibbons siad, "Well, there are some samples being taken, and that is all I'm going to say at this time."
In July, Gibbons said he inteneded to personally review the file. On Monday, he said that personal review of the file is not complete.
"As soon as these samples are analyzed and when we get everything done, we'll open it [file] up," Gibbons said.
Denial of file timeline
Minutes after Jones' acquittal July 19 in the Franklin County Courthouse in Ozark, Gibbons told The Courier he did not "see any evidence at all that would compel [him] to bring charges against anyone else," according to a July 29 article by Mary Kincy Benefield.
"I'm going to keep the file open for a short period of time," Gibbons told The Courier then, adding he intended to review it personally. At that time, he did not indicate whether he intended to request further action on the part of the Russellville Police Department (RPD) or any other law enforcement agency.
The Courier filed a formal FOIA request for the Dirksmeyer case file in Juky, and since then, all Courier FOIA requests written or verbal for the file have been denied.
Also in July, Gibbons indicated he would be releasing the files "within a short period of time," although he declined to specify how long that period might be beyond saying he was "certainly not talking months."
Background
Dirksmeyer, a 2004 graduate of Dover High School and the reigning Miss Petit Jean Valley at the time of her death, was found slain in her Russellville apaprtment in December 2005, according to authorities. Jones was arrested in March 2006, and was found not guilty July 19, 2007.

[sweetgranny]

I am copying this post from FDInlaw from Nona's thread over at http://helpfindthemissing.org



Just received word. . . Kevin was arrested for public intoxication outside a Russellville apartment complex after a complaint about noise was made. He post bond right away and was released.

Glad no one was hurt.
__________________
Remembering Nona Dirksmeyer

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/...=8223#post8223

Please post a message on her memorial thread. December 15th marks the two year anniversary of her murder.

[hawgustusgloop]

Thank you for posting that article, Lorettalockhorn. It is encouraging to see the Courier is still following up on this.

I am so not surprised that Kevin supposedly was arrested again. I am only surprised it wasn't sooner.

I wonder which enabler bailed him out this time? I guess they didn't learn anything either.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey you!

No telling about the enabling bailerouter; wouldn't most of his friends be equally drunk? Or crunk as they like to call it? For those of you with Facebook accounts, there is some absolute filth posted over there. The rents would be so proud.

Not.

[sweetgranny]

Hey you!

No telling about the enabling bailerouter; wouldn't most of his friends be equally drunk? Or crunk as they like to call it? For those of you with Facebook accounts, there is some absolute filth posted over there. The rents would be so proud.

Not.

I am sure his Mom bailed him out...or Grandma Jones. I guess they live with her now.:rolleyes:

[sweetgranny]

Hey you!

No telling about the enabling bailerouter; wouldn't most of his friends be equally drunk? Or crunk as they like to call it? For those of you with Facebook accounts, there is some absolute filth posted over there. The rents would be so proud.

Not.

So what does "crunk" mean or can you not even post it?:(

[lorettalockhorn]

I am sure his Mom bailed him out...or Grandma Jones. I guess they live with her now.:rolleyes:

Oooohhhhh Granny. What deep pockets you have!

So what does "crunk" mean or can you not even post it?:(

Dunno. Maybe it's a combination of drunk and coked or cranked. I've heard rumors that some of Kevin's crew gave RPD information that he uses drugs much more serious than alcohol and Adderall(sp?). But you have to wonder, they apparently never showed up on his weekly check-ins at the sheriff's office. (Wonder if the results would have been different if the drug testing had been random.)

[sweetgranny]

Oooohhhhh Granny. What deep pockets you have!



Dunno. Maybe it's a combination of drunk and coked or cranked. I've heard rumors that some of Kevin's crew gave RPD information that he uses drugs much more serious than alcohol and Adderall(sp?). But you have to wonder, they apparently never showed up on his weekly check-ins at the sheriff's office. (Wonder if the results would have been different if the drug testing had been random.)
Probably.
I just think on several different counts this whole thing was mishandled by RPD...ie him know when the testing was going to happen....many things:flamemad:

[sweetgranny]

The word "crunk"
Look up crunk in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Traditionally, crunk meant a hoarse, harsh cry.[4] The term is often used as slang to mean intoxicated. Folk etymology suggests the modern usage of crunk originated as a portmanteau of the words "crazy" and "drunk" or having been "cranked up" to a level of excitability at which one becomes "crunk". Rapper Lil Jon defined crunk as a "state of heightened excitement".

The first popular figures to use the word were Atlanta rappers Outkast, who in their 1993 song and accompanying video "Player's Ball" said, "I gots in crunk if it ain't real ain't right". Outkast also mentions "crunk" in the song "Hootie Hoo" (which was released in 1994 on the same album Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik).

Webster's Dictionary has an entry for "crunk":

"crunk Pronunciation: \ˈkrəŋk\ Function: noun Etymology: crunk, word of fluctuating meaning used during the 1990s in lyrics of the rap groups OutKast and Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz Date: 2000

a style of Southern rap music featuring repetitive chants and rapid dance rhythms"
In 1993, Conan O'Brien used the term "krunk" (an apparently invented nonsense word) as a multipurpose expletive on his television program Late Night with Conan O'Brien, but "crunk" is not an expletive.[
:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

hehehe I looked it up too; lots of crunk sites out there. Wonder if it will make it into the OED.

Guess there is no telling how Friends of Kevin intend the meaning.

[sweetgranny]

hehehe I looked it up too; lots of crunk sites out there. Wonder if it will make it into the OED.

Guess there is no telling how Friends of Kevin intend the meaning.
Over on www.helpfindthemissing.org site, FDInlaw posted if you have a facebook acct to look up "Crunk on Commerce" I don't have facebook so can't do that

[lorettalockhorn]

Probably.
I just think on several different counts this whole thing was mishandled by RPD...ie him know when the testing was going to happen....many things:flamemad:

Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but RPD/LE didn't have anything to do with that; the conditions of bail/bond would be between the prosecutor and the judge. It could be that Gibbons asked for random testing but didn't get it. OR maybe he simply asked for the testing to be at the time of check-in prior to a certain time each Friday afternoon.

Over on www.helpfindthemissing.org site, FDInlaw posted if you have a facebook acct to look up "Crunk on Commerce" I don't have facebook so can't do that

Signing up for facebook couldn't be easier at facebook.com You are not required to give any profile information.

[christina]

Even though I believe that they have already tried the correct person for this murder, I wonder if anyone is still actually looking into this case? Are they going to go back and look into things that they might have missed before? I know they said they would keep the file open for a short time, but are they doing anything?

Especially since there is DNA on a condom wrapper left at the apartment- not belonging to Jones- and fingerprints- also not Jones- on the base of the lamp(where one would actually hold a lamp to hit someone).

[christina]

You heard right, Judge wouldn't allow it because he said he couldn't hear it!! kept the jury from hearing it and deciding for themselves what was said on the enhanced version.

The entire tape was played in open court and the jury also took it with them into the jury room. The only part not allowed by the judge was an enhanced version of a small part of the tape. Gibbons read out loud to the jury what the prosecution experts thought the enhanced version said.

[upallnight]

Especially since there is DNA on a condom wrapper left at the apartment- not belonging to Jones- and fingerprints- also not Jones- on the base of the lamp(where one would actually hold a lamp to hit someone).

I do wish they would figure out who the killer is even though I think it is Jones. The reason being, KJ's finger prints in her blood, many lies, even dear little ole granny seemed to change her story to be in the best interest of KJ. If the true killer was tried and found not guilty that is a shame. But, no matter what I think, the killer knows and one day, one great day he or she will pay, and oh what a price that will have to be paid. Killer beware, your day is coming! Nona is at peace, her family has to go each and every second missing her and not knowing who killed their little girl. God knows, will the killer ever rest in peace? I don't think so, nor do I hope so. Vengeance be mine said the Lord. God Bless Nona's family! In God we trust. Nona we miss you!:rose: :rose: :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

I think Nona's killer has no conscience. I think he parties like it's 1999.

BTW, does anyone know anything about Krystal Tackett, the girl/woman who was with KJ the other night when he was arrested for public intox? Is she a former friend of Nona's? Of drinking age? A regular member of the gang?

[christina]

I think Nona's killer has no conscience. I think he parties like it's 1999.

Agreed. The person who committed this crime has been walking free having left Nona's family with a hole in their lives.

[JustCallMeNora]

Agreed. The person who committed this crime has been walking free having left Nona's family with a hole in their lives.

You know, from reading here, it sounds to me like Nona's killer might just be closer to her family than most of you would even dare imagine.

[JustCallMeNora]

BTW, does anyone know anything about Krystal Tackett, the girl/woman who was with KJ the other night when he was arrested for public intox? Is she a former friend of Nona's? Of drinking age? A regular member of the gang?

Why does this even matter? Lorettalockhorn, you have done nothing on here BUT sling mud all through this whole forum. You think you are an absolute expert in everything. The only thing is your absolute pettyness and know-it all-ness makes you look absolutely ridiculous. Obviously this person believes in Kevin for reasons of her own despite this board. Haven't you slung enough mud? Now, near the very end of this board, why start dragging his loved ones in it and trying to deface them? Do you have any decency? Apparently not. This girl doesn't have anything to do with any thing. Your evil gossip dander is working overtime.

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, from reading here, it sounds to me like Nona's killer might just be closer to her family than most of you would even dare imagine.

Really? Do tell.

Why does this even matter? Lorettalockhorn, you have done nothing on here BUT sling mud all through this whole forum. You think you are an absolute expert in everything. The only thing is your absolute pettyness and know-it all-ness makes you look absolutely ridiculous. Obviously this person believes in Kevin for reasons of her own despite this board. Haven't you slung enough mud? Now, near the very end of this board, why start dragging his loved ones in it and trying to deface them? Do you have any decency? Apparently not. This girl doesn't have anything to do with any thing. Your evil gossip dander is working overtime.

Really? Do tell. And for the record, I absolutely don't think I'm an expert in everything; expert or otherwise. Else, I wouldn't be asking questions. If you are referring to my delving into trivialities (which is a matter or opinion, in my opinion), I believe that you probably meant to spell; pettiness. Yes, I do look ridic. I'm wearing my animal print PJs, a quilted Nehru jacket and some thick, thick, thick socks. But I don't care. Why should you? Whaddaya mean at the end of the board I'm dragging "his" loved ones in it and trying to deface them? Who? Tackett is a loved one? And haven't I been doing this all along according to your own statement? How do you know that the girl doesn't have anything to do with any thing? Do I not have a right to be concerned as a tax paying citizen that a young woman (possibly underage) is attending the local Bacchanalia with an indicted murderer? Do her parents know? Will history repeat itself? Why was she arguing with KJ? Why did she run from LE? Why did KJ tell LE that her name was Jane Adam? Why the lies? Aren't these goings on matters of concern for our community?

What is gossip dander? Is it allergenic?

[jeremiads]

You know, from reading here, it sounds to me like Nona's killer might just be closer to her family than most of you would even dare imagine.Because there's been so much evidence for that, and nothing like a lack of alibi or bloody fingerprints to the contrary.

[lorettalockhorn]

The Courier has named "Jones not guilty" the number one of the top ten hard news stories for 2007 in today's edition.

RIP, Nona. Gone but not forgotten. 12/26/85 - 12/15/05

[upallnight]

Why does this even matter? Lorettalockhorn, you have done nothing on here BUT sling mud all through this whole forum. You think you are an absolute expert in everything. The only thing is your absolute pettyness and know-it all-ness makes you look absolutely ridiculous. Obviously this person believes in Kevin for reasons of her own despite this board. Haven't you slung enough mud? Now, near the very end of this board, why start dragging his loved ones in it and trying to deface them? Do you have any decency? Apparently not. This girl doesn't have anything to do with any thing. Your evil gossip dander is working overtime.

I hope you have looked at all Loretta has written on this board. She asks alot of questions like everyone. She has the right to be on this board as anyone else. She is only following the evidence. She has never claimed to be an expert in anything. Also Kevin was very close in Nona's life/family. He still gets into trouble, that is not good. If Kevin did kill Nona, she like many of us do not want history repeated. She has a very very good reason to be concerned. But do tell if you know more. We would all like to know who the killer is and have that person brought to justice, maybe no one else will be hurt. Is that not what we are all after. For or against KJ, someone killed Nona, again evidence points to KJ, until they prove otherwise. Leave Loretta alone, she is only here to find truth and justice.

[lorettalockhorn]

Aww Upall, Nor_a just has her granny panties in a wad. I mean, why else would she not post here until almost two years after the murder? Why the sudden interest? Gag order much? And considering that two of her three posts are bashes (including the one aimed at the victim's survivors), I'll just assume that she took her hypocritic oath before signing in.

[upallnight]

Aww Upall, Nor_a just has her granny panties in a wad. I mean, why else would she not post here until almost two years after the murder? Why the sudden interest? Gag order much? And considering that two of her three posts are bashes (including the one aimed at the victim's survivors), I'll just assume that she took her hypocritic oath before signing in.

Well said! Funny L, that is just what I was thinking when I saw her post.

[hawgustusgloop]

Really? Do tell.



Really? Do tell. And for the record, I absolutely don't think I'm an expert in everything; expert or otherwise. Else, I wouldn't be asking questions. If you are referring to my delving into trivialities (which is a matter or opinion, in my opinion), I believe that you probably meant to spell; pettiness. Yes, I do look ridic. I'm wearing my animal print PJs, a quilted Nehru jacket and some thick, thick, thick socks. But I don't care. Why should you? Whaddaya mean at the end of the board I'm dragging "his" loved ones in it and trying to deface them? Who? Tackett is a loved one? And haven't I been doing this all along according to your own statement? How do you know that the girl doesn't have anything to do with any thing? Do I not have a right to be concerned as a tax paying citizen that a young woman (possibly underage) is attending the local Bacchanalia with an indicted murderer? Do her parents know? Will history repeat itself? Why was she arguing with KJ? Why did she run from LE? Why did KJ tell LE that her name was Jane Adam? Why the lies? Aren't these goings on matters of concern for our community?

What is gossip dander? Is it allergenic?

I am not sure about the gossip dander either, but I am glad I took a Zyrtec before reading here. That is certainly interesting. It's not surprising that Kevin is keeping his enablers busy. I was wondering if any of them were going to show up here with more lies before the boards shut down.

The word out on the street is that Kevin is/was attending school in Fort Smith. Is this true? Also, is "Jane Adam" the best he could come up with?

[hawgustusgloop]

You know, from reading here, it sounds to me like Nona's killer might just be closer to her family than most of you would even dare imagine.

This has all been done before, but not quite as poorly as this. Nice try, though.

[hawgustusgloop]

Why does this even matter? Lorettalockhorn, you have done nothing on here BUT sling mud all through this whole forum. You think you are an absolute expert in everything. The only thing is your absolute pettyness and know-it all-ness makes you look absolutely ridiculous. Obviously this person believes in Kevin for reasons of her own despite this board. Haven't you slung enough mud? Now, near the very end of this board, why start dragging his loved ones in it and trying to deface them? Do you have any decency? Apparently not. This girl doesn't have anything to do with any thing. Your evil gossip dander is working overtime.

IMO Lorettalockhorn has only made herself look like one of the most beautiful, smartest, richest posters here. Calling a cretin a cretin is hardly slinging mud. I hope this Krystal girl guards her email access with her life if she is indeed one of Kreepy Kevin's "loved ones."

[christina]

Twice this has been mentioned. Is there a criteria used to "close a board"?

[christina]

We would all like to know who the killer is and have that person brought to justice, maybe no one else will be hurt. Is that not what we are all after. For or against KJ, someone killed Nona, upallnight



Agreed!

[hawgustusgloop]

Twice this has been mentioned. Is there a criteria used to "close a board"?

I am not sure what you are asking. I thought it was common knowledge that the whole CL Message Boards were closing at the end of the year, but I just saw an announcement from Deepwater that said they'd be open for the foreseeable future. It was dated 12/26/07 to 1/26/08.

[christina]

I am not sure what you are asking. I thought it was common knowledge that the whole CL Message Boards were closing at the end of the year, but I just saw an announcement from Deepwater that said they'd be open for the foreseeable future. It was dated 12/26/07 to 1/26/08.

Thank you, that is what I was asking. Common knowledge only to CL Message Boards aficionados.

[hawgustusgloop]

Thank you, that is what I was asking. Common knowledge only to CL Message Boards aficionados.

That is why I could not figure out what you were asking. I figured anyone with more posts than I have would know a lot more about the situation.

[christina]

That is why I could not figure out what you were asking. I figured anyone with more posts than I have would know a lot more about the situation.

Knowing the intricacies of the CL Message Board and talking a lot are two different things :)

[Amy]

I am not sure what you are asking. I thought it was common knowledge that the whole CL Message Boards were closing at the end of the year, but I just saw an announcement from Deepwater that said they'd be open for the foreseeable future. It was dated 12/26/07 to 1/26/08.

Thanks for the info. I sure had no clue about the board staying up for at least a time. ctv message board seems to be staying, too, under a different name. Sure hope both boards stay up for a long, long time. It's much better to continue posting with the ability to look back at some posts than to just start over from scratch.

[LurkerNoMore]

We would all like to know who the killer is and have that person brought to justice, maybe no one else will be hurt. Is that not what we are all after. For or against KJ, someone killed Nona, upallnight

Agreed!

Have to agree here. And if the person who killed Nona reads this board, know none of us will ever forget. Here's to truth uncovered in 2008, whatever that may be.

[upallnight]

Have to agree here. And if the person who killed Nona reads this board, know none of us will ever forget. Here's to truth uncovered in 2008, whatever that may be.
Amen to that and I would like to wish everyone a Happy New Year! God Bless All.:rose:

[JustCallMeNora]

Really? Do tell.



Really? Do tell. And for the record, I absolutely don't think I'm an expert in everything; expert or otherwise. Else, I wouldn't be asking questions. If you are referring to my delving into trivialities (which is a matter or opinion, in my opinion), I believe that you probably meant to spell; pettiness. Yes, I do look ridic. I'm wearing my animal print PJs, a quilted Nehru jacket and some thick, thick, thick socks. But I don't care. Why should you? Whaddaya mean at the end of the board I'm dragging "his" loved ones in it and trying to deface them? Who? Tackett is a loved one? And haven't I been doing this all along according to your own statement? How do you know that the girl doesn't have anything to do with any thing? Do I not have a right to be concerned as a tax paying citizen that a young woman (possibly underage) is attending the local Bacchanalia with an indicted murderer? Do her parents know? Will history repeat itself? Why was she arguing with KJ? Why did she run from LE? Why did KJ tell LE that her name was Jane Adam? Why the lies? Aren't these goings on matters of concern for our community?

What is gossip dander? Is it allergenic?
Hmmm.... I don't recall seeing any of this reported any where. Can you provide links to these stories or did they come from your gossip fiends? Just curious....

[hawgustusgloop]

Hmmm.... I don't recall seeing any of this reported any where. Can you provide links to these stories or did they come from your gossip fiends? Just curious....

I think lorettalockhorn has demonstrated a much better relationship with the truth than some other posters here, but I guess that is JMO. I haven't seen any of that stuff reported either, but I do have my own opinions about which posters tend to have more reliable information. Are you saying it's all lies? I know you seem quite sure that Krystal Tackett was some kind of innocent bystander in his latest legal skirmish, so maybe you know enough to enlighten us? IMO the more gossip fiends keeping an eye on Kevin, the better. Some people familiar with the case probably consider him to be the town murderer. How could anyone blame them for wanting to know what he's been up to?

[upallnight]

Hmmm.... I don't recall seeing any of this reported any where. Can you provide links to these stories or did they come from your gossip fiends? Just curious....

Hmmm, just wondering. Do you know where KJ was Dec. 15th, 2005 11:30am? Just curious. Can you provide truthful information now that the gag order has been lifted and KJ can not be put on trial for murder again?
Just pretend you are under oath, oh sorry maybe there will be a civil trial, oh, and some tests still in the works per Gibbons (you can look it up in the Russellville Courier), That will not work will it, wonder if someone found not guilty of murder can be charged with something else based on more evidence. Gosh, there could be many things to talk about. Not gossip, just courious what options the law has. I hope Gibbons is still working hard on the case. Let the truth be known, go Gibbons follow the evidence if there is more. Just because someone said something does not make it the truth! You know what I mean?

[upallnight]

I think lorettalockhorn has demonstrated a much better relationship with the truth than some other posters here, but I guess that is JMO. I haven't seen any of that stuff reported either, but I do have my own opinions about which posters tend to have more reliable information. Are you saying it's all lies? I know you seem quite sure that Krystal Tackett was some kind of innocent bystander in his latest legal skirmish, so maybe you know enough to enlighten us? IMO the more gossip fiends keeping an eye on Kevin, the better. Some people familiar with the case probably consider him to be the town murderer. How could anyone blame them for wanting to know what he's been up to?
I agree 100%.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmm.... I don't recall seeing any of this reported any where.[sic] Can you provide links to these stories or did they come from your gossip fiends? Just curious....

Reports? Don't know that you will find an official report of anything I referenced about KJo's arrest anywhere other than at the RPD. I'm sure that if he hasn't provided it for you, that you can find it at: 115 W H St. Russellville, AR 72801 (479) 968-4374 If you haul in there and ask, they will most likely give you copies; after all, it's public information.

I can guarandamntee you that my friends don't even come close to the level of "quidnunc-ness" that I do. And you can parse every post that I have at CL, and that 75% of them won't be personal bashes.

Ring a bell, Nor*a?

[sophiafox]

Happy to see this wasn't dropped.
I missed a lot! :-) just read the last 20 or so pages so forgive me if I am missing something or sound uninformed... BUT that being said, research I can do;
Krystal Tackett? Only website I found with her name;

http://www.arkansasrunner.com/archives/results2005/ptxcjr05.htm (all common knowledge that I did not make up)

this was 2005 and she was a junior in high school. That would put this Krystal around 18ish maybe 19. IF it is the same Krystal she shouldn't be drinking alcohol.

And Nora or granny or who ever you are. I am not anyones "friend" nor do I even like Arkansas. Just interested in spouse/bf crimes and trying to figure out HOW this continues to happen and how maybe one day this can be stopped.

Education. If this is the same Krystal then I think her parents should send her to Europe for college. IMO Thats what I would do. Why take the chance. Educate the criminal's family as to what is really important... family or saving his own butt.

Accountablity. Make the enablers responsible for the crime if they can not convict the criminal (i.e. IF someone got on the stand and told a lie to get that person off then put them in jail) Make the criminal maybe feel responsible for that person going to jail. Might work, doubt it.

Take away all money of the liars/criminal.

I am not saying I am talking about KJ and his family... well unless they want to answer to that name... There are tons of cases where this could apply. Lots of cop cases, cop boyfriend cases, ex husbands, stb ex husbands.

Anyway it is just a shame that the nice, good hearted, havent hurt anyones keep getting killed or disappearing and the jealous, killers, wife/girlfriend beaters are still walking around outside of a jail yard.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Sofia, that is all that I had found. I did notice that the pic (don't know that that is in fact her) at facebook appears to be a woman in a gown, on stage, perhaps at a pageant. Chilling.

Totally agree that the girl shouldn't be drinking, but according to the police report, there was no apparently no reason to suspect that she was. If I had kids like KJ and Simmons and Whiteside, I would break their plates until they learned how to act. These parents do seem to enable some reprehensible behaviors. At least in the past. And my daughter would NOT be hanging with them.

Great post. I does seem like there should be some sort of special circumstances attached to the murders of people by their supposed loved ones; the people that supposedly love them most, the people that they are most vulnerable to. Heinous.

[hawgustusgloop]

Thanks for digging that up and welcome back, sophiafox. I just wanted to note that the heading in your link that has Krystal Tackett's name on it says "Jr. High Girls." Also, the other schools listed in the same category, such as Butterfield and Trinity, are actually area junior high schools. So perhaps Miss Tackett is even younger than 18 or 19? Maybe that could explain the strange behavior with the police officers?

[JustCallMeNora]

Thanks Sofia, that is all that I had found. I did notice that the pic (don't know that that is in fact her) at facebook appears to be a woman in a gown, on stage, perhaps at a pageant. Chilling.

Totally agree that the girl shouldn't be drinking, but according to the police report, there was no apparently no reason to suspect that she was. If I had kids like KJ and Simmons and Whiteside, I would break their plates until they learned how to act. These parents do seem to enable some reprehensible behaviors. At least in the past. And my daughter would NOT be hanging with them.

Great post. I does seem like there should be some sort of special circumstances attached to the murders of people by their supposed loved ones; the people that supposedly love them most, the people that they are most vulnerable to. Heinous.


"I does"? Do you mean "It does"?

Exactly, WHY do you keep intentionally messing up my name, inserting things into it? Is there something I am missing with that smart aleck-ness?

[upallnight]

"I does"? Do you mean "It does"?

Exactly, WHY do you keep intentionally messing up my name, inserting things into it? Is there something I am missing with that smart aleck-ness?

Why do ya think? So she types faster than her key board can keep up with. Thats no crime. Still have not replied to my questions, are you going to? Sure would like to have that information if you please.

[lorettalockhorn]

"I does"? Do you mean "It does"?

Exactly, WHY do you keep intentionally messing up my name, inserting things into it? Is there something I am missing with that smart aleck-ness?

Yes, Nor&a. I (as opposed to it) did mean it. Watch out, my b and t keys don't always work (which is a huge drag considering that this laptop isn't really all that old. Maybe it's a potato chip or something under the keyboard.), but hopefully y'all knew what I meant. Oh, wait. You did. (I (as opposed to it) also sometimes type or when I (as opposed to it) mean of and vice versa.

But enough about me. Congratulations! You have just upped your personal bashes from 75% to 80%!!!!! :beer:

[hawgustusgloop]

"I does"? Do you mean "It does"?

Exactly, WHY do you keep intentionally messing up my name, inserting things into it? Is there something I am missing with that smart aleck-ness?

Congrats on finding a typo!

IMO there are plenty of things you are missing. Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than insults? I know you made a reference to someone in Nona's family possibly being involved, but it was so vaguely worded that it seemed like even you didn't believe it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Waiting for that information as well. Imagine. Someone with a more sieve-like alibi than KJo's. And a motive to boot.

[JustCallMeNora]

Congrats on finding a typo!

IMO there are plenty of things you are missing. Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than insults? I know you made a reference to someone in Nona's family possibly being involved, but it was so vaguely worded that it seemed like even you didn't believe it.

Why thank you! Loretta is very quick to point out misppellings, typo's, lanuage use etc. Thought I would contribute as well.

It does sound to me like a family member could have been involved in this murder every bit as easily as this Jones kid. Think all options should be explored. JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Why thank you! Loretta is very quick to point out misppellings, typo's, lanuage use etc. Thought I would contribute as well.

It does sound to me like a family member could have been involved in this murder every bit as easily as this Jones kid. Think all options should be explored. JMO

Kevin didn't have a complete alibi, plenty of time to do the murder. Not sure which family member you suspect, but to my knowledge, he/she/they were alibied. It will take a while, but you could read and catch up.
:seeya:

[jeremiads]

It does sound to me like a family member could have been involved in this murder every bit as easily as this Jones kid. Think all options should be explored. JMOWhich family member, without an alibi, left prints in blood that showed no sign of clotting?

[hawgustusgloop]

It does sound to me like a family member could have been involved in this murder every bit as easily as this Jones kid. Think all options should be explored. JMO


That's quite a departure from the mysterious:rolleyes: :

"You know, from reading here, it sounds to me like Nona's killer might just be closer to her family than most of you would even dare imagine."

[hawgustusgloop]

Kevin didn't have a complete alibi, plenty of time to do the murder. Not sure which family member you suspect, but to my knowledge, he/she/they were alibied. It will take a while, but you could read and catch up.
:seeya:

Yes, and what motive would someone in Nona's family possibly have to murder her? It just makes no sense no matter how you look at it.

[upallnight]

Why thank you! Loretta is very quick to point out misppellings, typo's, lanuage use etc. Thought I would contribute as well.

It does sound to me like a family member could have been involved in this murder every bit as easily as this Jones kid. Think all options should be explored. JMO

What evidence can you share that you know 100% in which points toward any family member of Nona's that could have been involved, or could have murdered her since that is what happened. I simply do not understand since the evidence shown has all pointed toward Kevin and no one else. Even if DNA on the c/wrapper is not Kevins, it could have been planted. It was her blood in his prints. As for the weapon she was cut with, it has not been found, the door stick has not been found. The phone battery not found. I can guarantee you her family members that was in court was in terrible grief, much pain, missing Nona and there for the trial of the person the evidence pointed toward. That being Kevin. They sat through having to see Nona's crime scence photo's and much more. Maybe it was not proven beyond r/d that Kevin was guilty of killing Nona, but that does NOT make him innocent. Maybe I am way off line but, the evidence is clear to me. It points to KJ, not any of Nona's family. Why does it sound like a family member could be involved to you? Seems to me KJ is out partying, getting into trouble. Nona's mom is still working, grieving, living each second of each day trying to survive this terrible nightmare. None of them seem to be in trouble with the law as KJ seems to be doing. Is it her you are speaking of, her step-father, her brother or who? I sure do not want an innocent person to be held in my mind as a murderer. If you know something, speak up! Until then, if I had been on that jury, my vote***GUILTY as charged! The evidence was there. Oh, and the jury, I will never understand how they let all that evidence go right over their heads, or maybe for that jury it did not take much for it to go over their heads, I am not sure. The truth was there, the evidence was clear. But they got their pizza didn't they. So sad! Again, if you are so certain someone else killed Nona. SPEAK UP! We all would like to know in the best interest of Nona and any other innocent person who may fall victim to this murderer***no matter who it is. Evidence speaks loud, gossip is just that. But we can all talk about it. If you think/know KJ is innocent then you need to help him. Let's talk about it, new evidence pointing to someone else could clear him right?

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's Courier, re: the Burton lawsuit:

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=17288

[FDInLaw]

I'm back from "vacation". . . what did I miss???

Better read and catch up. Just wanted to say "hi!" :seeya:


:read:

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm back from "vacation". . . what did I miss???

Better read and catch up. Just wanted to say "hi!" :seeya:


:read:

So glad to see you're back! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

What evidence can you share that you know 100% in which points toward any family member of Nona's that could have been involved, or could have murdered her since that is what happened. I simply do not understand since the evidence shown has all pointed toward Kevin and no one else. Even if DNA on the c/wrapper is not Kevins, it could have been planted. It was her blood in his prints. As for the weapon she was cut with, it has not been found, the door stick has not been found. The phone battery not found. I can guarantee you her family members that was in court was in terrible grief, much pain, missing Nona and there for the trial of the person the evidence pointed toward. That being Kevin. They sat through having to see Nona's crime scence photo's and much more. Maybe it was not proven beyond r/d that Kevin was guilty of killing Nona, but that does NOT make him innocent. Maybe I am way off line but, the evidence is clear to me. It points to KJ, not any of Nona's family. Why does it sound like a family member could be involved to you? Seems to me KJ is out partying, getting into trouble. Nona's mom is still working, grieving, living each second of each day trying to survive this terrible nightmare. None of them seem to be in trouble with the law as KJ seems to be doing. Is it her you are speaking of, her step-father, her brother or who? I sure do not want an innocent person to be held in my mind as a murderer. If you know something, speak up! Until then, if I had been on that jury, my vote***GUILTY as charged! The evidence was there. Oh, and the jury, I will never understand how they let all that evidence go right over their heads, or maybe for that jury it did not take much for it to go over their heads, I am not sure. The truth was there, the evidence was clear. But they got their pizza didn't they. So sad! Again, if you are so certain someone else killed Nona. SPEAK UP! We all would like to know in the best interest of Nona and any other innocent person who may fall victim to this murderer***no matter who it is. Evidence speaks loud, gossip is just that. But we can all talk about it. If you think/know KJ is innocent then you need to help him. Let's talk about it, new evidence pointing to someone else could clear him right? The only family members in town were Nona's Mom, Carol and her step-dad, Duane. Haven't heard of ANY actual evidence that suggest their involvement. :shrug: Oh, but of course, some feel the cell phone situation was "weird." STILL there is nothing that puts either one of them there in the time frame of the murder, there is no physical evidence at the scene (such as bloody prints), and no motive. Not a good case. JMHO

[hawgustusgloop]

The only family members in town were Nona's Mom, Carol and her step-dad, Duane. Haven't heard of ANY actual evidence that suggest their involvement. :shrug: Oh, but of course, some feel the cell phone situation was "weird." STILL there is nothing that puts either one of them there in the time frame of the murder, there is no physical evidence at the scene (such as bloody prints), and no motive. Not a good case. JMHO

IMO Kevin's supporters/enablers have NEVER given any evidence or even made reasonable claims that would exonerate him. The evidence points to him and no other known person. So, the only way these enablers can even remotely suggest doubt as to Kevin's guilt is to cast suspicion on other people in her life, no matter how desperate or ridiculous it may seem. IMO those who try to suggest this crime was committed by any of the other ALIBIED suspects, are either in denial or just have some kind of personal animosity toward their "suspect." It is quite obvious to me that some posters here in the past have had some kind of personal anger toward Duane Dipert and have had an agenda to cast suspicion on him. I don't think any reasonable person is buying what they're selling, though, no matter how many times they rehash it.

[JustCallMeNora]

The only family members in town were Nona's Mom, Carol and her step-dad, Duane. Haven't heard of ANY actual evidence that suggest their involvement. :shrug: Oh, but of course, some feel the cell phone situation was "weird." STILL there is nothing that puts either one of them there in the time frame of the murder, there is no physical evidence at the scene (such as bloody prints), and no motive. Not a good case. JMHO

Please enlighten me as to who you think my "prime suspect" is because I wasn't think of her mom especially or the step-dad.

[lorettalockhorn]

IMO Kevin's supporters/enablers have NEVER given any evidence or even made reasonable claims that would exonerate him. The evidence points to him and no other known person. So, the only way these enablers can even remotely suggest doubt as to Kevin's guilt is to cast suspicion on other people in her life, no matter how desperate or ridiculous it may seem. IMO those who try to suggest this crime was committed by any of the other ALIBIED suspects, are either in denial or just have some kind of personal animosity toward their "suspect." It is quite obvious to me that some posters here in the past have had some kind of personal anger toward Duane Dipert and have had an agenda to cast suspicion on him. I don't think any reasonable person is buying what they're selling, though, no matter how many times they rehash it.

I don't think folks would have it even if the enablers gave it away. What is this boy's charm that is so illusive? That people just don't believe the evidence? (Other than the acquittal, of course.)

Hey FD! Good to see you back. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Please enlighten me as to who you think my "prime suspect" is because I wasn't think of her mom especially or the step-dad.Huh? You silly goose. . . who cares who I think is your prime suspect. . . why don't you just tell us and save us all the guess work lol! I assumed that you must be thinking of one or both of them because they were the only ones within geographic range that day. All of Nona's half-siblings live out of state. Her brother was in Little Rock and working that day. Her step-siblings live hours a way and were working. You made the statement: "It does sound to me like a family member could have been involved in this murder every bit as easily as this Jones kid." Logically, you have two options. . . if neither are who you are talking about I am lost! Does she have some "family" we don't know about??? :shrug: maybe you are new to this case and do not have a "prime suspect" yet. That's understandable. In the mean time, let us know who you were talking about. Thanks.



By the way, WELCOME TO THE BOARD! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

IMO Kevin's supporters/enablers have NEVER given any evidence or even made reasonable claims that would exonerate him. The evidence points to him and no other known person. So, the only way these enablers can even remotely suggest doubt as to Kevin's guilt is to cast suspicion on other people in her life, no matter how desperate or ridiculous it may seem. IMO those who try to suggest this crime was committed by any of the other ALIBIED suspects, are either in denial or just have some kind of personal animosity toward their "suspect." It is quite obvious to me that some posters here in the past have had some kind of personal anger toward Duane Dipert and have had an agenda to cast suspicion on him. I don't think any reasonable person is buying what they're selling, though, no matter how many times they rehash it.Excellent post! :beer:

It's great to be back! :hat:

[sweetgranny]

Excellent post! :beer:

It's great to be back! :hat:

Good to see you:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Jury selection starts today in the Arkansas vs. Kenneth Osburn case. Osburn is accused of murdering Casey Crowder, the Pine Bluff girl that went missing the spring after Nona was killed.

Please keep Casey's loved ones and all involved with the case in your prayers. Also, consider sending a note of encouragement (the address is easy to find via google). There is no forum for Casey here on CL but the case is being followed here:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=64

Also, here is a link for a news story posted today:

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=6320a8fd-fa13-4d44-8016-45f19d30b4eb

Justice for Casey! :rose: Rest in Peace :rose:

[upallnight]

The only family members in town were Nona's Mom, Carol and her step-dad, Duane. Haven't heard of ANY actual evidence that suggest their involvement. :shrug: Oh, but of course, some feel the cell phone situation was "weird." STILL there is nothing that puts either one of them there in the time frame of the murder, there is no physical evidence at the scene (such as bloody prints), and no motive. Not a good case. JMHO


Thanks! That is what I thought. I sure have not heard any evidence pointing in that direction. I really don't look to either. Just felt bad a statement was made trying to make it look that way for Nona's family. Lord knows they have been and still is going through enough! 100% agree on the bloody prints! The evidence to date only leads to one person IMO.

[upallnight]

IMO Kevin's supporters/enablers have NEVER given any evidence or even made reasonable claims that would exonerate him. The evidence points to him and no other known person. So, the only way these enablers can even remotely suggest doubt as to Kevin's guilt is to cast suspicion on other people in her life, no matter how desperate or ridiculous it may seem. IMO those who try to suggest this crime was committed by any of the other ALIBIED suspects, are either in denial or just have some kind of personal animosity toward their "suspect." It is quite obvious to me that some posters here in the past have had some kind of personal anger toward Duane Dipert and have had an agenda to cast suspicion on him. I don't think any reasonable person is buying what they're selling, though, no matter how many times they rehash it.
You got that right, well said!

[FDInLaw]

Have any of you locals seen any film crews out and about???

;)

[JustCallMeNora]

Have any of you locals seen any film crews out and about???

;)

Not a local, but curious as to why you are asking....

[Amy]

Have any of you locals seen any film crews out and about???

;)

I tho't something was supposed to air in December--but never heard what network or program was going to do it. Seems like no one (Dateline, can't remember the other) has followed thru?

Had you heard more about someone filming? Sure hope we get a heads up on when anything airs, if it does.

[FDInLaw]

Not a local, but curious as to why you are asking.... Girl (?), you are one shameless fisher of information. Thanks for the quality chuckle. :biggrin: When ever anything is asked of you, you either disappear or act like you already answered it lol! CRACK ME UP!

:tongue:

[FDInLaw]

I tho't something was supposed to air in December--but never heard what network or program was going to do it. Seems like no one (Dateline, can't remember the other) has followed thru?

Had you heard more about someone filming? Sure hope we get a heads up on when anything airs, if it does.Nothing has yet to air. I will post here when I know (and over on helpfindthemissing.com).

:seeya:

[JustCallMeNora]

Girl (?), you are one shameless fisher of information. Thanks for the quality chuckle. :biggrin: When ever anything is asked of you, you either disappear or act like you already answered it lol! CRACK ME UP!

:tongue:

:shrug: Guess I missed where anybody asked anything of me. That's ok. You don't have to share. I brought it up because you asked. Not a big deal.....

[Brown hound]

The "48 HOURS" will air next Saturday 2-9-08 at 8:00 our time. I haven't gotten on here in a while, but I see that nothing has changed. I still say it was a random act of violence. It is the only true thing that makes sense with the ALL the evidence. We can't pick and choose to include or exclude things that don't fit into our notions. My only wish is that Nona's family had closure. Please everyone pray for them.

[Brown hound]

I should say that I did a search and the episode is labeled "Death of a Beauty Queen." I don't know of any other cases that could have this label. Please someone help me to confirm. I heard it was to be aired this month.

[lorettalockhorn]

Who Killed the Beauty Queen? 2/9/08, 9pm CST New: A beauty queen falls victim to an ugly crime. Richard Schlesinger reports.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/08/01/48hours/main22761.shtml

[lorettalockhorn]

Link to preview:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3781005n

Thanks to upallnight for posting at helpfindthemissing.org

[FDInLaw]

The "48 HOURS" will air next Saturday 2-9-08 at 8:00 our time. I haven't gotten on here in a while, but I see that nothing has changed. I still say it was a random act of violence. It is the only true thing that makes sense with the ALL the evidence. We can't pick and choose to include or exclude things that don't fit into our notions. My only wish is that Nona's family had closure. Please everyone pray for them.Welcome back! :seeya:

If it was random what was the motive? That doesn't seem to fit. JMO

[christina]

Logged back in to tell about the 48 Hours show Saturday. Look forward to how its presented.
But I would like to respond to the question about motive for a random act of violence. A person who would committ one does not have a motive. They do terrible things for no cognitive reason.
I know when a sensless tragedy happens the number one question loved ones, or anyone, has is "why"? Thus the question follows- what is the motive.
Many times there is not an answer to that.

[JustCallMeNora]

Congrats on finding a typo!

IMO there are plenty of things you are missing. Do you have anything to add to the discussion other than insults? I know you made a reference to someone in Nona's family possibly being involved, but it was so vaguely worded that it seemed like even you didn't believe it.

As hard as it is for those close to the situation to realize, I believe it COULD be possible. Whether that is what happened or not, I ,like everyone else on here, have no idea for sure what happened in this senseless tragedy.

[FDInLaw]

As hard as it is for those close to the situation to realize, I believe it COULD be possible. Whether that is what happened or not, I ,like everyone else on here, have no idea for sure what happened in this senseless tragedy.
Maybe the difference of opinion is due in part to how long this case has been followed by many here. . . you seem to be at a place that most of us were at two years ago. :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

Logged back in to tell about the 48 Hours show Saturday. Look forward to how its presented.
But I would like to respond to the question about motive for a random act of violence. A person who would committ one does not have a motive. They do terrible things for no cognitive reason.
I know when a sensless tragedy happens the number one question loved ones, or anyone, has is "why"? Thus the question follows- what is the motive.
Many times there is not an answer to that.
True, some cases are random acts of violence with no apparent motive. This isn't one of them IMO. The motive was clearly stated, the jury just ignore it. :(

“Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn’t mean any bad. Screw the f-------, for Christ’s sake. She meant no harm to anyone, bless her heart. Please keep her safe, Lord. Please Lord, please, for Christ’s sake. I am so sorry.” ~ Kevin Jones

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15334&Search=nona+dirksmeyer

[JustCallMeNora]

True, some cases are random acts of violence with no apparent motive. This isn't one of them IMO. The motive was clearly stated, the jury just ignore it. :(

“Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn’t mean any bad. Screw the f-------, for Christ’s sake. She meant no harm to anyone, bless her heart. Please keep her safe, Lord. Please Lord, please, for Christ’s sake. I am so sorry.” ~ Kevin Jones

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15334&Search=nona+dirksmeyer

See, I have seen that footage on links. I didn't interpret that statement this way. I heard "Screw the fu_ _ers." as in the ones who did this to Nona.

I guess it is all about interpretation. Maybe I have been following this a little longer than you think.

[FDInLaw]

See, I have seen that footage on links. I didn't interpret that statement this way. I heard "Screw the fu_ _ers." as in the ones who did this to Nona.

I guess it is all about interpretation. Maybe I have been following this a little longer than you think.No, it's about what was said and it was "screw the F***ing." I have this first hand from numerous people that heard it.

[JustCallMeNora]

No, it's about what was said and it was "screw the F***ing." I have this first hand from numerous people that heard it.

That is NOT what I heard. As far as I am aware, there were not "numerous" people in the room that night when Jones was being questioned by the police, which is where the videotape was derived from, correct?

[FDInLaw]

That is NOT what I heard. As far as I am aware, there were not "numerous" people in the room that night when Jones was being questioned by the police, which is where the videotape was derived from, correct?There was no one in the room when KJ said it. The video tape was analyzed and the transcript was read in court.

[FDInLaw]

From the same link I posted above:

Key to Gibbons’ opening statement was a transcript he read aloud to the jury of an enhanced portion of a taped interview with Jones at the Russellville Police Department in the aftermath of the murder. During the segment, Jones was alone in the interview room, and can allegedly be heard muttering the following:
“Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn’t mean any bad. Screw the f-------, for Christ’s sake. She meant no harm to anyone, bless her heart. Please keep her safe, Lord. Please Lord, please, for Christ’s sake. I am so sorry.”
The defense entered an unsuccessful motion to redact this taped material Monday, citing the potential prejudicial nature of the statements.

[hawgustusgloop]

I found this quote to be even creepier/potentially more incriminating:

“I don’t know why somebody would break in and hit her on the back of the head.”

[JustCallMeNora]

There was no one in the room when KJ said it. The video tape was analyzed and the transcript was read in court.

As well as played on several news audio links I have found. That is not what I heard. Someone can have anything analyzed to sound like what is wanted. I thought someone said the enhanced version was not allowed to be played in court. I assume that was not what was fed to the tv stations either.

[hawgustusgloop]

Someone can have anything analyzed to sound like what is wanted.

???????

Then why didn't the prosecutor just have it analyzed to say, "I hope they don't realize I murdered Nona with a lamp" instead? Wouldn't that make it easier for them?

[hawgustusgloop]

As well as played on several news audio links I have found.

Will you please post these links? I have yet to hear the recording and would love to check it out for myself.

[lorettalockhorn]

???????

Then why didn't the prosecutor just have it analyzed to say, "I hope they don't realize I murdered Nona with a lamp" instead? Wouldn't that make it easier for them?

Exactly! I'd like to see JCMN's links too.

I'm looking forward to seeing CBS put fresh eyes on the case and am wondering if it will make me doubt that KJ murdered Nona.

[christina]

Does anyone know if Nona's family had to give permission for the airing of the show? Those crime scene photos were horrible and I can't imagine seeing them again.

[ifIwereU]

Does anyone know if Nona's family had to give permission for the airing of the show? Those crime scene photos were horrible and I can't imagine seeing them again.

The promo ad for the show showed a picture of the crime scene that appeared to be those taken by Frost...
I'm disappointed the show will only be an hour long....

[lorettalockhorn]

Me too, upall. Hoping that JCMN will link us up before 48 Hours airs.

[WonderWoman]

Kevin Jones is INNOCENT!!:)

[FDInLaw]

Kevin Jones is INNOCENT!!:)And a great football player too! We're talking about a different Kevin Jones LOL! :biggrin:

Welcome to the Board! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Question for you old farts. . . did "SusieQ" claim to be in the courtroom when Kevin's "screw the F------" video was played??? :cool:

I'm too busy to dig for it now, maybe one of you remember right off. TIA!

[WonderWoman]

And a great football player too! We're talking about a different Kevin Jones LOL! :biggrin:

Welcome to the Board! :seeya:

I am pretty sure that I know the Kevin Jones that you are talking about!:D

[hawgustusgloop]

good point here al.


The part where he was saying I am sorry, etc etc. the media is jumping so hard on. There is a part that has been left out of that. He was praying to God and he said "screw the f_@#_%*" I am assuming who did this. Maybe he was sorry to God for cursing in his prayer. Maybe he was just sorry she died. Maybe he was just sorry he was still alive. Maybe he was sorry their relationship wasn't perfect. Or, like you suggested, maybe he was sorry he wasn't there to protect her.

"I am sorry" no way constitutes a confession in my mind, especially when we don't know what the prosecution chose not to have enhanced. It only makes sense they would let out of the bag what they feel might be considered favorable to them. :shrug:

Hi, FDInLaw! I found this ancient post on Page 101 of this thread. Ms. Q doesn't expressly claim to have been in the courtroom for that specific part of the trial that I could find yet, but the part I bolded above seems to show she had information other that what was reported on the news. Hope this helps.

ETA: If you read through Page 101 of this thread, it becomes pretty clear that Ms. Q claimed to be in court that day, even saying where she sat.

[FDInLaw]

I am pretty sure that I know the Kevin Jones that you are talking about!:DJust checking. Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Do feel free to tell me what I might have missed about the fine gentleman in question. . . I'm all ears. :hat:

[FDInLaw]

Hi, FDInLaw! I found this ancient post on Page 101 of this thread. Ms. Q doesn't expressly claim to have been in the courtroom for that specific part of the trial that I could find yet, but the part I bolded above seems to show she had information other that what was reported on the news. Hope this helps.

ETA: If you read through Page 101 of this thread, it becomes pretty clear that Ms. Q claimed to be in court that day, even saying where she sat.
Huh. Interesting. Thanks for the find! :seeya:

HUGGERS! :)

[WonderWoman]

Just checking. Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Do feel free to tell me what I might have missed about the fine gentleman in question. . . I'm all ears. :hat:

Do you think that he really killed her?:biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

Do you think that he really killed her?:biggrin:Do your homework. :read:

[JustCallMeNora]

Will you please post these links? I have yet to hear the recording and would love to check it out for myself.

I'd say check your local news links... or wait till 48 Hours airs.

[WonderWoman]

Do your homework. :read:

Look... I have done my homework. All i want from you is your opinion. You people on here are blind!! Wake up and smell the coffee!!:mad:

[FDInLaw]

I'd say check your local news links... or wait till 48 Hours airs.
I haven't heard it for myself either. . . where did you hear it? With you claiming not to be a local and all I'm a bit confused. Do you know if 48 Hours plans to air it? If so, how do you know this?
:confused:

[JustCallMeNora]

I haven't heard it for myself either. . . where did you hear it? With you claiming not to be a local and all I'm a bit confused. Do you know if 48 Hours plans to air it? If so, how do you know this?
:confused:

Sorry to mislead. No, I don't know if 48 Hours will air it. Just assuming. Heard it on two of the Arkansas news links.

[FDInLaw]

Look... I have done my homework. All i want from you is your opinion. You people on here are blind!! Wake up and smell the coffee!!:mad:
Awww. . . don't get mad. :o If you have read here you should know where I stand is all I was getting at. I'm not closed to hearing a new point of view. The floor is yours. . .why do you believe Kevin is innocent?

[FDInLaw]

Sorry to mislead. No, I don't know if 48 Hours will air it. Just assuming. Heard it on two of the Arkansas news links.
Maybe we can find those links so that everyone can hear them. . .

:seeya:

[JustCallMeNora]

Huh. Interesting. Thanks for the find! :seeya:

HUGGERS! :)

hmmm... Do you REALLY think I am the illustrious Susie Q? teehee funny

[ifIwereU]

Do you think that he really killed her?:biggrin:

You seem to be new to the board and its always refreshing to have other perspectives about the case. Please share yours with us.....sometimes the blind can be led. I think that most of the posters are of the opinion that Jones did it. Mostly because there hasn't been any compelling evidence to the contrary. If you have such evidence or information please share......just know that many have come and many have failed at that task in the past. No name calling or personal attacks.....is all we ask

[WonderWoman]

Awww. . . don't get mad. :o If you have read here you should know where I stand is all I was getting at. I'm not closed to hearing a new point of view. The floor is yours. . .why do you believe Kevin is innocent?

First, Kevin was accounted for through the day. Second, just because his print was on the murder weapon, didnt mean that he did it. When he found Nona, Im sure he was freaked out to no end. Im sure he went through the house and touched and looked at quite a bit of things. I know if I found my husband dead on the floor, Id probably do the same thing. Now, will you tell me as to why you are dead set that Kevin killed Nona?

[WonderWoman]

You seem to be new to the board and its always refreshing to have other perspectives about the case. Please share yours with us.....sometimes the blind can be led. I think that most of the posters are of the opinion that Jones did it. Mostly because there hasn't been any compelling evidence to the contrary. If you have such evidence or information please share......just know that many have come and many have failed at that task in the past. No name calling or personal attacks.....is all we ask

All I want to know is why you think that he did it?

[FDInLaw]

First, Kevin was accounted for through the day. Second, just because his print was on the murder weapon, didnt mean that he did it. When he found Nona, Im sure he was freaked out to no end. Im sure he went through the house and touched and looked at quite a bit of things. I know if I found my husband dead on the floor, Id probably do the same thing. Now, will you tell me as to why you are dead set that Kevin killed Nona?It's been a long day and I don't feel like going into broken record mode. Maybe tomorrow.

It's nice to have a new face on the board. :)

[FDInLaw]

hmmm... Do you REALLY think I am the illustrious Susie Q? teehee funny"Illustrious" is not the word I would use. :biggrin:

[WonderWoman]

It's been a long day and I don't feel like going into broken record mode. Maybe tomorrow.

It's nice to have a new face on the board. :)

Ok, but its just an opinion!:shrug:

[LurkerNoMore]

We are going to have A LOT to discuss Saturday night and Sunday. I hope all the old faces show back up to join the debate. I'll be here.

[JustCallMeNora]

It's nice to have a new face on the board. :)

Gee, thanks. (Note the sarcasm and hurt)

[WonderWoman]

We are going to have A LOT to discuss Saturday night and Sunday. I hope all the old faces show back up to join the debate. I'll be here.

I know thats right!!;)

[JustCallMeNora]

We are going to have A LOT to discuss Saturday night and Sunday. I hope all the old faces show back up to join the debate. I'll be here.

What old faces would you like to call back, Lurker? Who would you like to not see come back?

[FDInLaw]

Gee, thanks. (Note the sarcasm and hurt)
Awww. . . as the self-assigned welcome wagon, there's only so much of me to go around! Did I not welcome you when you first came on the board? Please don't feel slighted, it was not intentional.

For Everyone ~ Things are going to get interesting, and I'm sure we'll have a bunch of folks show up here. A word of warning, with the changes going on with Crime Library, it's my impression that if a board gets out of hand it will be shut down. Let's keep it nice and friendly.

[FDInLaw]

What old faces would you like to call back, Lurker? Who would you like to not see come back?Let me guess. . . you're pining for dtbh??? LMBO! :D :D

[JustCallMeNora]

Let me guess. . . you're pining for dtbh??? LMBO! :D :D

Who is dtbh?

[JustCallMeNora]

that you locals haven't posted this.... hmmm....

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=65298

[FDInLaw]

that you locals haven't posted this.... hmmm....

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=65298Thanks for the link, I had just heard about it and was going to look for it!

Wednesday, attorneys for Kevin Jones, who was aquitted in July 2007, in the death of his girlfriend, Nona Dirskmeyer, say they've discovered whose DNA is on a condom wrapper, found at the crime scene. Jones' attorney, Michael Robbins, tells KARK 4 News, although he can't comment on the person's identity, it does point towards a "viable suspect.". . .

[lorettalockhorn]

that you locals haven't posted this.... hmmm....

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=65298

Thanks for the link Nora, does the fact that they know whose DNA is on the wrapper indicate that it is someone who has previously been convicted and whose information is in the system, or that it is someone who volunteered a sample?

Nora, backing up a little, are you saying that 48 Hours is going to provide us with the links to the audio that you referred to?

[lorettalockhorn]

"Illustrious" is not the word I would use. :biggrin:


Yeah, I think infamous is more appropriate.

[lorettalockhorn]

First, Kevin was accounted for through the day. Second, just because his print was on the murder weapon, didnt mean that he did it. When he found Nona, Im sure he was freaked out to no end. Im sure he went through the house and touched and looked at quite a bit of things. I know if I found my husband dead on the floor, Id probably do the same thing. Now, will you tell me as to why you are dead set that Kevin killed Nona?

I drove a couple of different round-trip routes between the Jones place and Nona's and Kevin had plenty of time to kill her. He was not accounted for the entire day; only his cell phone calls were.

[LurkerNoMore]

This is from the Fort Smith Channel's website. A special prosecutor has been appointed? That is a very significant development.


________________________________________

Attorneys say evidence shows new suspect in murder case

Posted: Feb 6, 2008 05:31 PM CST


RUSSELLVILLE - Defense attorneys for a man found not guilty of murdering Russellville beauty queen, Nona Dirksmeyer say they have evidence that points to the real killer.

Kevin Jones was found not guilty in July. In a statement Michael Robbins, one of Jones' attorneys says the defense team is continuing to pursue justice on behalf of their client and Dirksmeyer.

The key to this new evidence, a condom wrapper found in Dirksmeyer's apartment, just four feet away from her body.

During the trial, the lead investigator, Mark Frost said someone told him the testing of the condom wrapper could be done for fingerprints, or DNA, but not both. Iinvestigators now know that's not the case.

According to witnesses at the trial, the state never tested the wrapper for DNA.

The defense team says a DNA match has been made. "This DNA evidence points toward a viable suspect in the case," Robbins wrote.

His statement didn't narrow down on whose DNA it was, but the defense team says it turned over the evidence to prosecutors.

Since late January, Jack Mcquary has been working on the case. He was assigned as special prosecutor. He says he was aware of the information provided by Jones' attorneys and it's one of the things he's looking into.

He wouldn't talk specifically about what else he's focusing his efforts on, but said he's looking at other possibilities too.

In an interview with the prosecutor, David Gibbons, after the not guilty verdict was handed down in July, he said "I don't see evidence that points to anyone other than the one tried, but the case will stay open."

In a phone call with Gibbons he told 5News the case is still open and he didn't feel right about commenting about the findings of the defense team.

This weekend, ‘48 Hours' is examining the Nona Dirksmeyer murder. It's part of a special 48hours mystery called ‘Who killed the beauty queen?' That airs Saturday night at nine, right here on channel five.

[LurkerNoMore]

Since late January, Jack Mcquary has been working on the case. He was assigned as special prosecutor. He says he was aware of the information provided by Jones' attorneys and it's one of the things he's looking into.

This is big, people. I don't think special prosecutors just get appointed over insignificant findings. I go away for a while and come back to find 48 Hours AND a special prosecutor all in one week?

[FDInLaw]

We are going to have A LOT to discuss Saturday night and Sunday. I hope all the old faces show back up to join the debate. I'll be here.
A true prediction, or prior knowledge? :rolleyes:

[WonderWoman]

This is from the Fort Smith Channel's website. A special prosecutor has been appointed? That is a very significant development.


________________________________________

Attorneys say evidence shows new suspect in murder case

Posted: Feb 6, 2008 05:31 PM CST


RUSSELLVILLE - Defense attorneys for a man found not guilty of murdering Russellville beauty queen, Nona Dirksmeyer say they have evidence that points to the real killer.

Kevin Jones was found not guilty in July. In a statement Michael Robbins, one of Jones' attorneys says the defense team is continuing to pursue justice on behalf of their client and Dirksmeyer.

The key to this new evidence, a condom wrapper found in Dirksmeyer's apartment, just four feet away from her body.

During the trial, the lead investigator, Mark Frost said someone told him the testing of the condom wrapper could be done for fingerprints, or DNA, but not both. Iinvestigators now know that's not the case.

According to witnesses at the trial, the state never tested the wrapper for DNA.

The defense team says a DNA match has been made. "This DNA evidence points toward a viable suspect in the case," Robbins wrote.

His statement didn't narrow down on whose DNA it was, but the defense team says it turned over the evidence to prosecutors.

Since late January, Jack Mcquary has been working on the case. He was assigned as special prosecutor. He says he was aware of the information provided by Jones' attorneys and it's one of the things he's looking into.

He wouldn't talk specifically about what else he's focusing his efforts on, but said he's looking at other possibilities too.

In an interview with the prosecutor, David Gibbons, after the not guilty verdict was handed down in July, he said "I don't see evidence that points to anyone other than the one tried, but the case will stay open."

In a phone call with Gibbons he told 5News the case is still open and he didn't feel right about commenting about the findings of the defense team.

This weekend, ‘48 Hours' is examining the Nona Dirksmeyer murder. It's part of a special 48hours mystery called ‘Who killed the beauty queen?' That airs Saturday night at nine, right here on channel five.



Hello!!! Do you people see that there was someone else involved!!! NOT KEVIN JONES!!! There is DNA from another peron on the condom wrapper!!!:rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

Well, we'll have to wait and see. . . there are a million questions that need answering. If this mystery man killed her, I wonder if they will match his dna with anything else found on the scene. Where was he that day? Did he even have oportunity? Motive? Heck, we do not even know who this guy is yet! He might be a student from a different college that was out of town that day?Wonder when we will know more? :shrug:

[JustCallMeNora]

Thanks for the link Nora, does the fact that they know whose DNA is on the wrapper indicate that it is someone who has previously been convicted and whose information is in the system, or that it is someone who volunteered a sample?

Nora, backing up a little, are you saying that 48 Hours is going to provide us with the links to the audio that you referred to?

I dunno..... see post #8502......

[lorettalockhorn]

Hello!!! Do you people see that there was someone else involved!!! NOT KEVIN JONES!!! There is DNA from another peron on the condom wrapper!!!:rolleyes:

A condom wrapper that could have been planted, as Det. Frost believed. And I believe as well; the killer would take away the stick and perhaps wipe away some blood in the kitchen, but go off and leave the wrapper in plain veiw? In the kitchen? Huh?

And why are we reading about this special prosecutor now? Why hasn't our old bud Lemoncello been printing this new information in The Courier???? meh

[JustCallMeNora]

I truly hope some of these new events lead to Justice for Nona and closure for her family.....

[lorettalockhorn]

I dunno..... see post #8502......

Sorry to have confused you; this is the post where you claim to have links. We would just like for you to help us out by posting them.

As well as played on several news audio links I have found. That is not what I heard. Someone can have anything analyzed to sound like what is wanted. I thought someone said the enhanced version was not allowed to be played in court. I assume that was not what was fed to the tv stations either.

[hawgustusgloop]

I am hesitant to get too excited about this DNA match until we hear something concrete about it from someone other than the defense lawyers. Remember after the trial when they said they had other info that would exonerate Kevin or point to someone else or whatever it was? That they for some reason didn't use during the trial that could have put their client away for many, many years and that they didn't feel the need to disclose?

If they were able to match the condom DNA to a known person, I would imagine that they would need some other real evidence to tie that person to the crime. That condom wrapper was in a desperately conspicuous place IMO. I've always felt like it was planted anyway but that is JMO. If Kevin is innocent, which I personally doubt, I hope this evidence leads to Nona's killer and justice for her family. Otherwise, it looks like they are still trying to get us to buy into Kevin's attempts to cast suspicion elsewhere.

[upallnight]

Does anyone know if Nona's family had to give permission for the airing of the show? Those crime scene photos were horrible and I can't imagine seeing them again.

Crime scene photos was horrible, from the pre-view of 48 hours and from what I saw in court, it may show alot of what we saw in court. True crime scene photos that are hard, very hard to see. But the arguements in some of the trial was lamp position/body position and how did KJ's prints get on the lamp etc., I guess it will be shown as the same on 48 hours. I found myself feeling faint seeing those photo's with Nona lying there but made a difference to me on the arguement of when his prints was made on that lamp. Still can not see how no one saw him touch it or how he touched it after he found her body. Just did not add up to me, seems he would have had to painfully twist his hand to put the print on it. KJ said he did not touch it and so did his mom and Ryan. So many questions, hopefully ***this new DNA stuff will proof positive who killed Nona. Still does not add up to me though. KJ's prints in Nona's blood, a condom can be planted. Would not be hard to grab a condom wrapper with DNA on it at a party or etc., especially if that is what you are looking for. I don't know, I think I would need more than that, at least a weak alibi for the person that dna belongs to like Kevin's IMO was might help me look toward another suspect. Maybe they have more than has been made public. To easy to plant a condom wrapper, need more I think. Maybe if the condom wrapper was planted, the planter did not think dna would be on it. I look it that as if that is the only evidence toward another person, it is not near as strong as what they had against KJ. If someone else did kill Nona, I hope they have a strong case building against that person and they hang him or her. I know everyone only wants the truth. I also hope this is not all a plot by attorney's to try to get those who believe KJ killed Nona into believing this over rides all the evidence against KJ. Um, Nope, I just don't buy it yet.

[upallnight]

Kevin Jones is INNOCENT!!:)
Prove it Just Call Me Wonderwoman. Do you know the killer? Was you with KJ while Nona was being murdered? Are you 100% positive he did not kill her or is that just a post of your opinion. Please do tell! Sure am waiting for your reply to let us all know your proof of this. I know the jury voted not guilty, they did not say he was innocent, hugh difference.

[upallnight]

Look... I have done my homework. All i want from you is your opinion. You people on here are blind!! Wake up and smell the coffee!!:mad:

Was you at the trial? Please let us know what we are so blind about. If you have knowledge/information that has not be posted why don't you post it. Oh, and I would love some coffee, cream to please. Would love to hear what information you have that you think we are so blind about. We can talk about if you care to share.:punch:

[lorettalockhorn]

Crime scene photos was horrible, from the pre-view of 48 hours and from what I saw in court, it may show alot of what we saw in court. True crime scene photos that are hard, very hard to see. But the arguements in some of the trial was lamp position/body position and how did KJ's prints get on the lamp etc., I guess it will be shown as the same on 48 hours. I found myself feeling faint seeing those photo's with Nona lying there but made a difference to me on the arguement of when his prints was made on that lamp. Still can not see how no one saw him touch it or how he touched it after he found her body. Just did not add up to me, seems he would have had to painfully twist his hand to put the print on it. KJ said he did not touch it and so did his mom and Ryan. So many questions, hopefully ***this new DNA stuff will proof positive who killed Nona. Still does not add up to me though. KJ's prints in Nona's blood, a condom can be planted. Would not be hard to grab a condom wrapper with DNA on it at a party or etc., especially if that is what you are looking for. I don't know, I think I would need more than that, at least a weak alibi for the person that dna belongs to like Kevin's IMO was might help me look toward another suspect. Maybe they have more than has been made public. To easy to plant a condom wrapper, need more I think. Maybe if the condom wrapper was planted, the planter did not think dna would be on it. I look it that as if that is the only evidence toward another person, it is not near as strong as what they had against KJ. If someone else did kill Nona, I hope they have a strong case building against that person and they hang him or her. I know everyone only wants the truth. I also hope this is not all a plot by attorney's to try to get those who believe KJ killed Nona into believing this over rides all the evidence against KJ. Um, Nope, I just don't buy it yet.

There you have it. KJ had motive, opportunity and the forensic evidence that point to him as Nona's murderer.

[upallnight]

First, Kevin was accounted for through the day. Second, just because his print was on the murder weapon, didnt mean that he did it. When he found Nona, Im sure he was freaked out to no end. Im sure he went through the house and touched and looked at quite a bit of things. I know if I found my husband dead on the floor, Id probably do the same thing. Now, will you tell me as to why you are dead set that Kevin killed Nona?


Kevin be accounted for throughout the day? I for one don't believe he was in my mind and a few others, seems some changed their story. That's not a good thing.

[upallnight]

All I want to know is why you think that he did it?
Evidence points to him.

[upallnight]

Hello!!! Do you people see that there was someone else involved!!! NOT KEVIN JONES!!! There is DNA from another peron on the condom wrapper!!!:rolleyes:

So what, not sure why that alone would show who ever the DNA belongs to killed Nona, no intercourse per examiner, not sure why that was placed there. Evidence against Kevin, Kevin's print in Nona's blood on the murder weapon. It just don't add up. How does a condom wrapper alone make it so clear to you someone else was involved with her death. These things are thrown away daily. I guess I could get it if there was more evidence to go with the condom wrapper/DNA. If there is I am sure it will be investigated if not already done. But again that's all we have seen for now. Now we wait, again to see if anything concrete will come from it or not. You never know, it could come back on KJ, they can not charge him with murder again but I do think if they have enough evidence for another charge against him they would seek justice that way and/or if someone else was involved seek justice also towards that person. Ob/Struc. Justice has been proven in cases before. Lord, who knows? Guess we all have our opinions, will wait for the evidence.

[hawgustusgloop]

During the trial, the lead investigator, Mark Frost said someone told him the testing of the condom wrapper could be done for fingerprints, or DNA, but not both. Investigators now know that's not the case.



The careful wording in this quote from the article above kind of bothers me. It is vague in that it almost hints that Mark Frost intentionally lied about not being able to test for both DNA and fingerprints, when it seemed to me that he was misinformed by someone at the state lab. I think similar wording was used in the KARK link as well.

[christina]

On hearing this news several thoughts came to mind-first was that the defense team is to be congratulated for continuing the search. It does not appear the police nor prosecutor have done that.
Second-the fingerprints on the murder weapon that did not match Jones-will the person whose DNA it is match? Jones' was only on the light bulb which was immediately adjacent to Nona's body. The base of the lamp-the murder weapon-had the fingerprints that were not Jones'. Bacon said they were suitable for comparison but the crime lab disagreed. Bacon is the one that matched the lightbulb print- will he be asked to do the same for the murder weapon?
Third-If a special prosecutor has been appointed-why-what are the rules/laws in Arkansas for this?

[christina]

The careful wording in this quote from the article above kind of bothers me. It is vague in that it almost hints that Mark Frost intentionally lied about not being able to test for both DNA and fingerprints, when it seemed to me that he was misinformed by someone at the state lab. I think similar wording was used in the KARK link as well.

Correct-I am remembering Frost said he called the crime lab and was told this.

[optimumprimal78]

I might be wrong here but I was under the impression that the wrapper was on the kitchen counter and not right next to Nona. Yes? No?

[FDInLaw]

I might be wrong here but I was under the impression that the wrapper was on the kitchen counter and not right next to Nona. Yes? No?
You're correct.

:seeya:

[LurkerNoMore]

Some questions for discussion.

What does it take for a special prosecutor to be appointed?

Did Gibbons have to sign off on it?

RPD?

A judge?

Did the evidence have to be presented to them first and reach a certain level before they investigated?

What is the significance of the timing of the press release? Is it connected to 48 Hours or just a coincidence?

If the DNA was from that of an "old suspect" that we've discussed on this board, would that alone get a special prosecutor appointed?

What would make the identification of the DNA significant enough to basically reopen the investigation and get a special prosecutor appointed?

If it's just DNA - so what. I think there'd have to be something else. Maybe unless it was someone who absolutely should not have been in her apartment with a condom.

Someone raised a good point. How was the DNA matched? Was it someone already in the system or did someone willingly submit DNA for comparison?

FD, Loretta, Hawg, Up: If this points to someone else, what would it take for you to consider them as a suspect?

If someone else is arrested, how would the public or a jury view a situation where the prosectutors once said, beyond a reasonable doubt, Kevin did it, but now, beyond a reasonable doubt, this person did it?

So many questions.

[LurkerNoMore]

A true prediction, or prior knowledge? :rolleyes:

Common sense.

[WonderWoman]

Prove it Just Call Me Wonderwoman. Do you know the killer? Was you with KJ while Nona was being murdered? Are you 100% positive he did not kill her or is that just a post of your opinion. Please do tell! Sure am waiting for your reply to let us all know your proof of this. I know the jury voted not guilty, they did not say he was innocent, hugh difference.


First, What are you thinking, asking me if I was with Kevin? NO!! If I was, I think that Id know a little more about this case than I do! The only evidence that they have against Kevin is the handprint in the blood and one handprint on the murder weapon. The person that killed Nona had to hold on to that lamp with more than one hand. It was a floor lamp, rather large, that would require you to use both hands. There are several people that could qualify as a "suspect"!!!

[WonderWoman]

Evidence points to him.

The only evidence is that his handprint was in the blood where he found her and a handprint on the murder weapon. That is not very much evidence!

[ifIwereU]

Some questions for discussion.

What does it take for a special prosecutor to be appointed?

Did Gibbons have to sign off on it?

RPD?

A judge?

Did the evidence have to be presented to them first and reach a certain level before they investigated?

What is the significance of the timing of the press release? Is it connected to 48 Hours or just a coincidence?

If the DNA was from that of an "old suspect" that we've discussed on this board, would that alone get a special prosecutor appointed?

What would make the identification of the DNA significant enough to basically reopen the investigation and get a special prosecutor appointed?

If it's just DNA - so what. I think there'd have to be something else. Maybe unless it was someone who absolutely should not have been in her apartment with a condom.

Someone raised a good point. How was the DNA matched? Was it someone already in the system or did someone willingly submit DNA for comparison?

FD, Loretta, Hawg, Up: If this points to someone else, what would it take for you to consider them as a suspect?

If someone else is arrested, how would the public or a jury view a situation where the prosectutors once said, beyond a reasonable doubt, Kevin did it, but now, beyond a reasonable doubt, this person did it?

So many questions.


Lurker, you have always made good points and the things listed above are worth considering.
My understanding of Special Prosecutors being appointed are this:
the current PA would have to request it....a motion is made to the court and a judge grants it. There maybe other avenues for this to happen, but most of the time the PA requests it....maybe Gibbons did it because he feels that an impartial person was better suited for it. Maybe it was because he put all his eggs in one basket back in July and thinks he is somewhat perjudice in the case. I think its great that he's letting someone with no knowlegde of the case look at it and make decisions about it that are not jaded.

I wonder if the RPD has been involved in the ongoing investigation or if there are others involved now.

It was my understanding at the trial, that the crime lab did not have the capabilities to test the wrapper for both fingerprints and DNA and they left it up to the RPD to make that call. I think now they have the resources to do both, but then they did not.

I agree that the wrapper is not what killed her and could have been the motive. The fact that there was no evidence of sexual assault kind of renders the wrapper moot, JMO....but I agree that whoever has DNA on that condom has some explaining to do. :shrug:

[optimumprimal78]

I wonder how KJ's camp is feeling about this? And by camp I mean all of those that are hanging out with him (CH, RW, etc.). Are they excited, nervous, uncaring, etc.?

Anyone have any ideas as to their thoughts on this new finding?

[ifIwereU]

The only evidence is that his handprint was in the blood where he found her and a handprint on the murder weapon. That is not very much evidence!

I think a palm print on the murder weapon in victim's blood is much more significant than DNA on condom.....considering no signs of sexual assault and yet the lamp is what killed her. I also put credence in the fact the blood was not clotted on the lamp but the blood on jones hands at the PD was clotted.....JMO That seems to me to indicate the print on the lamp was there at a different time and much earlier than the time of discovery. If the prints on the weapon that Bacon suggests could be compared are compared to that of the DNA donor on the condom then we have a whole new ball game. But any defense attorney is going to point to Jones prints as a premises to exonerate this new suspect. JMO:(

[WonderWoman]

I think a palm print on the murder weapon in victim's blood is much more significant than DNA on condom.....considering no signs of sexual assault and yet the lamp is what killed her. I also put credence in the fact the blood was not clotted on the lamp but the blood on jones hands at the PD was clotted.....JMO That seems to me to indicate the print on the lamp was there at a different time and much earlier than the time of discovery. If the prints on the weapon that Bacon suggests could be compared are compared to that of the DNA donor on the condom then we have a whole new ball game. But any defense attorney is going to point to Jones prints as a premises to exonerate this new suspect. JMO:(

Ok... Everyone has their opinion.... Heres mine..

When Kevin found Nona, he got on the floor where she was and picked her up and held her close to his chest. He got blood on him. Also when he discovered her, Im sure he went through the house and probably touched things that he shouldnt have, trying to figure out what happened. When Kevin touched the lamp, he just made one handprint. In my opinion, the person that killed her would have to hold the lamp with both hands, with it being a floor lamp....

Another point...again this is my opinion...

The person that killed her, did not kill her in a short amount of time. The peron really thought about what they were going to do, and fought with her. The person tried more ways than just the floor lamp to kill her...

[FDInLaw]

Some questions for discussion.

What does it take for a special prosecutor to be appointed?

Did Gibbons have to sign off on it?

RPD?

A judge?

Did the evidence have to be presented to them first and reach a certain level before they investigated?

What is the significance of the timing of the press release? Is it connected to 48 Hours or just a coincidence?

If the DNA was from that of an "old suspect" that we've discussed on this board, would that alone get a special prosecutor appointed?

What would make the identification of the DNA significant enough to basically reopen the investigation and get a special prosecutor appointed?

If it's just DNA - so what. I think there'd have to be something else. Maybe unless it was someone who absolutely should not have been in her apartment with a condom.

Someone raised a good point. How was the DNA matched? Was it someone already in the system or did someone willingly submit DNA for comparison?

FD, Loretta, Hawg, Up: If this points to someone else, what would it take for you to consider them as a suspect?

If someone else is arrested, how would the public or a jury view a situation where the prosectutors once said, beyond a reasonable doubt, Kevin did it, but now, beyond a reasonable doubt, this person did it?

So many questions.To answer your question. . . I would need some evidence that puts this new suspect at the crime scene the day of the murder.

No, it is no coincidence that this was released before the 48 Hours show. Kevin's defense agree NOT to release this information until the new PA had a chance to investigate it. . . they were NOT good to their word. Think about it, if investigators are on the verge of catching the "real" killer why on earth would Kevin's side jeopardize that investigation? If they are paying their own personal dollars to bring about justice for Nona why would they compromise it??? Don't be blind folks, this isn't about justice, this is a PR stunt. Just like all the others. I hope it blows up in their faces. :mad: This is just an attempt to whitewash a murderer IMO. I personally am livid and will have a barf bag handy on Saturday. :cool:

[ifIwereU]

Ok... Everyone has their opinion.... Heres mine..

When Kevin found Nona, he got on the floor where she was and picked her up and held her close to his chest. He got blood on him. Also when he discovered her, Im sure he went through the house and probably touched things that he shouldnt have, trying to figure out what happened. When Kevin touched the lamp, he just made one handprint. In my opinion, the person that killed her would have to hold the lamp with both hands, with it being a floor lamp....

Another point...again this is my opinion...

The person that killed her, did not kill her in a short amount of time. The peron really thought about what they were going to do, and fought with her. The person tried more ways than just the floor lamp to kill her...

how much time do you think it took from start to finish? If you consider the wounds....

[FDInLaw]

Ok... Everyone has their opinion.... Heres mine..

When Kevin found Nona, he got on the floor where she was and picked her up and held her close to his chest. He got blood on him. Also when he discovered her, Im sure he went through the house and probably touched things that he shouldnt have, trying to figure out what happened. When Kevin touched the lamp, he just made one handprint. In my opinion, the person that killed her would have to hold the lamp with both hands, with it being a floor lamp....

Another point...again this is my opinion...

The person that killed her, did not kill her in a short amount of time. The peron really thought about what they were going to do, and fought with her. The person tried more ways than just the floor lamp to kill her...In order to leave the print on the lamp from being on or next to the body he would have had to break his arm twisting it. . .

[LurkerNoMore]

To answer your question. . . I would need some evidence that puts this new suspect at the crime scene the day of the murder.

No, it is no coincidence that this was released before the 48 Hours show. Kevin's defense agree NOT to release this information until the new PA had a chance to investigate it. . . they were NOT good to their word. Think about it, if investigators are on the verge of catching the "real" killer why on earth would Kevin's side jeopardize that investigation? If they are paying their own personal dollars to bring about justice for Nona why would they compromise it??? Don't be blind folks, this isn't about justice, this is a PR stunt. Just like all the others. I hope it blows up in their faces. :mad: This is just an attempt to whitewash a murderer IMO. I personally am livid and will have a barf bag handy on Saturday. :cool:

I will say that a press release from the defense is pretty meaningless in and of itself. We need to hear it from the special prosecutor.

[WonderWoman]

how much time do you think it took from start to finish? If you consider the wounds....

Considering the wounds, with all of the cuts around her neck and such, with things not in their place in her apt....Way more time than they are saying that Kevin killed her in. At least 30 min, I say. Why do you ask?

[WonderWoman]

In order to leave the print on the lamp from being on or next to the body he would have had to break his arm twisting it. . .

You lost me there....Explain please?:shrug:

[christina]

You lost me there....Explain please?:shrug:

The lamp was in three pieces and the top part, with the bulb intact, was laying about a foot from Nona's body. Jones said in a police interview that he straddled her body when he found her. In that position-the bulb was to his right and slightly behind him. The prosecution (thru Bacon's testimony) tried to show that it would have been difficult for Jones to place a palm print on the light bulb.
But when the picture was placed on the TV, and the defense crossed, it appeared that Jones could have touched the lightbulb.

[WonderWoman]

The lamp was in three pieces and the top part, with the bulb intact, was laying about a foot from Nona's body. Jones said in a police interview that he straddled her body when he found her. In that position-the bulb was to his right and slightly behind him. The prosecution (thru Bacon's testimony) tried to show that it would have been difficult for Jones to place a palm print on the light bulb.
But when the picture was placed on the TV, and the defense crossed, it appeared that Jones could have touched the lightbulb.

Do you not maybe think that when he did realize that she was dead, he might have went through the house and toughed some things that he shouldnt have?

[christina]

To answer your question. . . I would need some evidence that puts this new suspect at the crime scene the day of the murder.

No, it is no coincidence that this was released before the 48 Hours show. Kevin's defense agree NOT to release this information until the new PA had a chance to investigate it. . . they were NOT good to their word. Think about it, if investigators are on the verge of catching the "real" killer why on earth would Kevin's side jeopardize that investigation? If they are paying their own personal dollars to bring about justice for Nona why would they compromise it??? Don't be blind folks, this isn't about justice, this is a PR stunt. Just like all the others. I hope it blows up in their faces. :mad: This is just an attempt to whitewash a murderer IMO. I personally am livid and will have a barf bag handy on Saturday. :cool:

What is your source here? I haven't read or heard that.

I had heard that both the prosecution and defense were interviewed for 48 Hours and I thought another similar show. Did Nona's family have any input, were they interviewed?

[christina]

Do you not maybe think that when he did realize that she was dead, he might have went through the house and toughed some things that he shouldnt have?

I only know what was shown in the interview tape and through court testimony of the officers on scene. Jones said he did not remember touching anything. That is one of the reasons he became a suspect- when the print on the lightbulb was his.

[FDInLaw]

I will say that a press release from the defense is pretty meaningless in and of itself. We need to hear it from the special prosecutor.And that is what I'm waiting for. Forgive me for getting snippy, but I'm getting tired of the same old same old. . . yet another person is going to be dragged through the mud before the PA is finished even determining if they are a viable suspect. Look what they did to Jeremy Martin! Duane Dipert! The list goes on and on. . . let the evidence speak for itself! I have a hard time taking anything they do seriously in the name of finding justice. All they seem to care about it Kevin's image. JMO

I hope we hear more about the actual evidence soon, so that we can make an intelligent assessment of the situation.

[FDInLaw]

What is your source here? I haven't read or heard that.

I had heard that both the prosecution and defense were interviewed for 48 Hours and I thought another similar show. Did Nona's family have any input, were they interviewed?
Sorry, no link. Report me if you like. :(

[WonderWoman]

I only know what was shown in the interview tape and through court testimony of the officers on scene. Jones said he did not remember touching anything. That is one of the reasons he became a suspect- when the print on the lightbulb was his.

So, you are saying, if you found a loved one naked and dead on the floor, that you would remember EVERYTHING? Im here to tell you that if I found my husband dead on the floor, I would to through the house and try to figure out what i could! And I probably wouldnt remember much after that!:confused:

[ifIwereU]

Ok... Everyone has their opinion.... Heres mine..

When Kevin found Nona, he got on the floor where she was and picked her up and held her close to his chest. He got blood on him. Also when he discovered her, Im sure he went through the house and probably touched things that he shouldnt have, trying to figure out what happened. When Kevin touched the lamp, he just made one handprint. In my opinion, the person that killed her would have to hold the lamp with both hands, with it being a floor lamp....

Another point...again this is my opinion...

The person that killed her, did not kill her in a short amount of time. The peron really thought about what they were going to do, and fought with her. The person tried more ways than just the floor lamp to kill her...

Considering the wounds, with all of the cuts around her neck and such, with things not in their place in her apt....Way more time than they are saying that Kevin killed her in. At least 30 min, I say. Why do you ask?

my opinion is that these types of things (I've seen a few bar fights)typically happen very quickly. 30 mins (your estimation) is a long time to keep control of someone....Also just based on the fact that only one drop of blood found in the kitchen leads me to think that she didn't have much movement after the wounds to the neck. The majority of the blood was found right where she was found. Based on ME opinion none of the knife wounds were instantly fatal. I think the whole episode took about 5 mins....regardless of who killed her. I think if the killer had actually thought about it he would have grabbed the iron that on the end table near the couch.....it would have been easier to grab and control......the fact the lamp was used leads me to beleive that it was within reach while he is attempting to control her....with arm around her neck...which broke her hyoid bone.....pure speculation on my part.

[ifIwereU]

I only know what was shown in the interview tape and through court testimony of the officers on scene. Jones said he did not remember touching anything. That is one of the reasons he became a suspect- when the print on the lightbulb was his.

:beer: Christina, you are right on the money....would the RPD had a different opinion had JONES said "well, maybe I could have." I think so.....

[WonderWoman]

my opinion is that these types of things (I've seen a few bar fights)typically happen very quickly. 30 mins (your estimation) is a long time to keep control of someone....Also just based on the fact that only one drop of blood found in the kitchen leads me to think that she didn't have much movement after the wounds to the neck. The majority of the blood was found right where she was found. Based on ME opinion none of the knife wounds were instantly fatal. I think the whole episode took about 5 mins....regardless of who killed her. I think if the killer had actually thought about it he would have grabbed the iron that on the end table near the couch.....it would have been easier to grab and control......the fact the lamp was used leads me to beleive that it was within reach while he is attempting to control her....with arm around her neck...which broke her hyoid bone.....pure speculation on my part.

You have some good points. However, there were other things in the living room that were out of place. There was a lamp on an end table that was koncked off and in the corner. I do agree with you on the fact that the wounds on her neck were not fatal, which leads me to believe that she was trying to fight back, which is why I say it took a little while for the person to kil her, im not necessarily saying that it took 30 min, but somewhere around that. Which is way more time than the amount of time that they are saying Kevin killed her in.

[ifIwereU]

Do you not maybe think that when he did realize that she was dead, he might have went through the house and toughed some things that he shouldnt have?

I think one of the big concerns of most of the posters is why would you do that.....he obviously thought she had been attacked....why would anyone want to jeopardize that. Some of his actions have not helped with proving his innocence. An example: in his initial interview at the PD he told that he put his hand the blood to see how fresh it was......why would that matter to him. He also said he put his hand in the wound and commented that he could feel the bone on the back of her head. Not to many loved ones would have gone to that extreme.

I could see, however where one might want to survey the scene and try to graspt what happened but his actions seem so overboard to me. I mean, what if the killer had still be in the apartment?

[FDInLaw]

You have some good points. However, there were other things in the living room that were out of place. There was a lamp on an end table that was koncked off and in the corner. I do agree with you on the fact that the wounds on her neck were not fatal, which leads me to believe that she was trying to fight back, which is why I say it took a little while for the person to kil her, im not necessarily saying that it took 30 min, but somewhere around that. Which is way more time than the amount of time that they are saying Kevin killed her in.The actual coroners report stated that the struggle was probably short, did it not?

[WonderWoman]

I think one of the big concerns of most of the posters is why would you do that.....he obviously thought she had been attacked....why would anyone want to jeopardize that. Some of his actions have not helped with proving his innocence. An example: in his initial interview at the PD he told that he put his hand the blood to see how fresh it was......why would that matter to him. He also said he put his hand in the wound and commented that he could feel the bone on the back of her head. Not to many loved ones would have gone to that extreme.

I could see, however where one might want to survey the scene and try to graspt what happened but his actions seem so overboard to me. I mean, what if the killer had still be in the apartment?


You make very good points, I do see where you are coming from!

[christina]

Sorry, no link. Report me if you like. :(

Didn't mean to make you more snippy-not going to report you because of no link/source. I was just curious.

[ifIwereU]

The actual coroners report stated that the struggle was probably short, did it not?

I beleive the ME testified it would have been very short.

[christina]

The actual coroners report stated that the struggle was probably short, did it not?

The state's coroner and the defense coroner said the struggle was short.

[WonderWoman]

The actual coroners report stated that the struggle was probably short, did it not?


I SAID THAT WAS MY OPINION!! NOT WHAT ANY REPORT SAID! IN MY OPPINION BY THE WOUNDS ON HER, IT TOOK ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 30 NIN. THERE WAS SOME FIGHTING INVOLVED!

[ifIwereU]

You make very good points, I do see where you are coming from!

I'm not here to convince anyone KJ is the killer. I would love for someone to convince he is not. That is why I continue to come back here and post. Thus far no one has been able to do that....in my gut, I don't want to believe that a killer is walking amoung is. If there is a chance that this new DNA test will prove KJ was not the killer and someone else was....I am all for it and I then I can sleep better at night knowing that a kid found "not guilty" was indeed innocent.

[ifIwereU]

I SAID THAT WAS MY OPINION!! NOT WHAT ANY REPORT SAID! IN MY OPPINION BY THE WOUNDS ON HER, IT TOOK ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 30 NIN. THERE WAS SOME FIGHTING INVOLVED!

Based on the ME's testimony and the photos it was apparent that Nona was in a defense posture during the knife attack. She did not resist too much because there were no wounds on her hands to indicate she put her hands to fight off the attack.

Anyone else have an opinion about this? I could be wrong

[christina]

:beer: Christina, you are right on the money....would the RPD had a different opinion had JONES said "well, maybe I could have." I think so.....

Agreed-the PD's focus on Jones was for obvious reasons-the first suspect is always the husband/boyfried and in this case more so as Jones found Nona's body. I don't know if they would have formed another opinion.
The interview tape from the night of the murder was fascinating to watch, I was in court and watched it. That is the day I came to a strong sense that Jones did not commit the murder. Because the tape in its entirety showed the context in which he said he didn't remember touching anything.
I would really have liked to see the other interview tape(the night of the visitation) but neither side chose to show it. And I am think that was the night JOnes agreed to a lie detector test.

[christina]

I'm not here to convince anyone KJ is the killer. I would love for someone to convince he is not. That is why I continue to come back here and post. Thus far no one has been able to do that....in my gut, I don't want to believe that a killer is walking amoung is. If there is a chance that this new DNA test will prove KJ was not the killer and someone else was....I am all for it and I then I can sleep better at night knowing that a kid found "not guilty" was indeed innocent.

Excellent points. I have felt that since the trial.

[ifIwereU]

Agreed-the PD's focus on Jones was for obvious reasons-the first suspect is always the husband/boyfried and in this case more so as Jones found Nona's body. I don't know if they would have formed another opinion.
The interview tape from the night of the murder was fascinating to watch, I was in court and watched it. That is the day I came to a strong sense that Jones did not commit the murder. Because the tape in its entirety showed the context in which he said he didn't remember touching anything.
I would really have liked to see the other interview tape(the night of the visitation) but neither side chose to show it. And I am think that was the night JOnes agreed to a lie detector test.
I think your right, it was that night and after the lie detector. I wonder if any of that video statement will make the show on Sat. night.

I'm curious, what about that 1st statement convinced you he was not the killer? Maybe I missed something.

[WonderWoman]

Based on the ME's testimony and the photos it was apparent that Nona was in a defense posture during the knife attack. She did not resist too much because there were no wounds on her hands to indicate she put her hands to fight off the attack.

Anyone else have an opinion about this? I could be wrong

Also, the pictures of Kevins hands at the RPD, showed no cuts or anything. You would think that the person that killed her, would have some kind of cuts or sctatches of some sort on their hands from fighting with her.????:shrug:

[WonderWoman]

Agreed-the PD's focus on Jones was for obvious reasons-the first suspect is always the husband/boyfried and in this case more so as Jones found Nona's body. I don't know if they would have formed another opinion.
The interview tape from the night of the murder was fascinating to watch, I was in court and watched it. That is the day I came to a strong sense that Jones did not commit the murder. Because the tape in its entirety showed the context in which he said he didn't remember touching anything.
I would really have liked to see the other interview tape(the night of the visitation) but neither side chose to show it. And I am think that was the night JOnes agreed to a lie detector test.

Just to throw something out there... A lie detector test proves nothing! When asked...Have you ever caused harm to a person, and you would answer "No" ... If you pinch someone that is harming someone.... Or if you are asked if you have ever hurt anyone... and you say "No". If you hit someone and it hurt them... Then you have hurt soemone in your life...

Just a thought!:shrug:

[FDInLaw]

The state's coroner and the defense coroner said the struggle was short.

I SAID THAT WAS MY OPINION!! NOT WHAT ANY REPORT SAID! IN MY OPPINION BY THE WOUNDS ON HER, IT TOOK ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 30 NIN. THERE WAS SOME FIGHTING INVOLVED!Hey, I wasn't getting on you for having an opinion. . . just wanted to know if you realized that the professionals on both sides disagree with you.

[WonderWoman]

Hey, I wasn't getting on you for having an opinion. . . just wanted to know if you realized that the professionals on both sides disagree with you.


I understand. Define "short"...:read:

[JustCallMeNora]

Thanks for the link Nora, does the fact that they know whose DNA is on the wrapper indicate that it is someone who has previously been convicted and whose information is in the system, or that it is someone who volunteered a sample?

Nora, backing up a little, are you saying that 48 Hours is going to provide us with the links to the audio that you referred to?

No, I am saying I don't know if 48 hours will play the audio or not.

[hawgustusgloop]

Just to throw something out there... A lie detector test proves nothing! When asked...Have you ever caused harm to a person, and you would answer "No" ... If you pinch someone that is harming someone.... Or if you are asked if you have ever hurt anyone... and you say "No". If you hit someone and it hurt them... Then you have hurt soemone in your life...

Just a thought!:shrug:

:shrug:

Don't you think the polygraph questions were a little more specific than that? Instead of only asking Kevin if he had ever harmed anyone, don't you think they probably cut to the chase and asked him if he caused Nona's death? That question has a pretty clear answer one way or the other. I know Kamp Kevin seems to have a pretty ridiculous relationship with the truth, but there aren't too many ways to misconstrue that question to show a false deception in a polygraph exam.

This is just like the post that said anyone could have audio analyzed by purported experts to say basically whatever he or she wants it to say. I just don't buy it.

[hawgustusgloop]

No, I am saying I don't know if 48 hours will play the audio or not.

Then will you please share your links with us? I have not heard it yet.

[WonderWoman]

:shrug:

Don't you think the polygraph questions were a little more specific than that? Instead of only asking Kevin if he had ever harmed anyone, don't you think they probably cut to the chase and asked him if he caused Nona's death? That question has a pretty clear answer one way or the other. I know Kamp Kevin seems to have a pretty ridiculous relationship with the truth, but there aren't too many ways to misconstrue that question to show a false deception in a polygraph exam.

This is just like the post that said anyone could have audio analyzed by purported experts to say basically whatever he or she wants it to say. I just don't buy it.


Duh...I know the polygraph questions were questions about Nona's death.... Im just saying that polygraphs are not always the key factor!!! :mad:

[christina]

I think your right, it was that night and after the lie detector. I wonder if any of that video statement will make the show on Sat. night.

I'm curious, what about that 1st statement convinced you he was not the killer? Maybe I missed something.

It was a combination of Jones demeanor, he cried often when left alone, he asked if he could be see his mom or Nona's mom, he appeared to be answering honestly/candidly. That particular question (did you touch anything) was asked several times over a long period of time. The information prior to the trial by the PD was that Jones said he watched crime shows a lot, the assumption by the PD appeared that Jones was smart and would know how to do something like this and "get away with it". So one of the thoughts I had was- if Jones was so smart and "watched crime shows", why would he keep denying he touched anything. The conclusion I came to was that he simply didn't remember/feel when his hand touched the lightbulb.
And then, after the officer's testimony in court, the officer to which Jones said he watched crimes show, again, the context made the statement clearer and thus the conlcusion different to me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Some questions for discussion.

What does it take for a special prosecutor to be appointed?

Did Gibbons have to sign off on it?

RPD?

A judge?

Did the evidence have to be presented to them first and reach a certain level before they investigated?

What is the significance of the timing of the press release? Is it connected to 48 Hours or just a coincidence?

If the DNA was from that of an "old suspect" that we've discussed on this board, would that alone get a special prosecutor appointed?

What would make the identification of the DNA significant enough to basically reopen the investigation and get a special prosecutor appointed?

If it's just DNA - so what. I think there'd have to be something else. Maybe unless it was someone who absolutely should not have been in her apartment with a condom.

Someone raised a good point. How was the DNA matched? Was it someone already in the system or did someone willingly submit DNA for comparison?

FD, Loretta, Hawg, Up: If this points to someone else, what would it take for you to consider them as a suspect?

If someone else is arrested, how would the public or a jury view a situation where the prosectutors once said, beyond a reasonable doubt, Kevin did it, but now, beyond a reasonable doubt, this person did it?

So many questions.

Hey Lurker! So many questions for sure. All the new DNA suggests to me at this point, is that KJ did indeed plant it; it makes no sense to me that another killer would be so careful as to not leave any other clues that we know of, yet leave the wrapper in such an obvious place.

My understanding of the DNA database is that it only contains information from either convicted persons and/or volunteers. Who volunteered DNA in this case?

I think what bothers me as much ( or more) about the defense team leaking this information after an apparent informal agreement not to, is that the procedure to appoint a special prosecutor was done in relative secrecy. Think about it; court records and procedings are public information, The Courier and other agencies frequently check the dockets for upcoming cases and motions, yet they were either not aware of whatever machinations were in the works to bring about this appointment, or stuck to the agreement to squelch the information. I find that second option a little hard to believe; if there is a killer other than Kevin walking the streets, people want to know and have a right to know, and The Courier and other media outlets have a responsibility to inform us.

Since I find it hard to believe that KFSM is lurking the clerk's office to report on Pope County court proceedings, and since Russell Jones has ties to KFSM, I'll assume for now that putting this information out to the public is more of the snow job that the Joneses are so desperate to perpetrate.

Haven't read all of today's posts, so forgive me if I'm being redundant and repetitive.

[lorettalockhorn]

Do you not maybe think that when he did realize that she was dead, he might have went through the house and toughed some things that he shouldnt have?


So, you are saying, if you found a loved one naked and dead on the floor, that you would remember EVERYTHING? Im here to tell you that if I found my husband dead on the floor, I would to through the house and try to figure out what i could! And I probably wouldnt remember much after that!:confused:

I think a large part of the problem that I have with this logic, is that Kevin for some reason thought that Nona was still alive, even though it should have been fairly obvious that she wasn't. So much so that he covered her body with his own to keep her warm. And most people know not to tamper with a crime scene, yet these three stooges didn't seem to have enough sense among them to act on that.

[christina]

I know its not everyone's favorite source!!

Special prosecutors may also be used in a state prosecution case when the prosecutor for the local jurisdiction has a conflict of interest in a case or otherwise may desire another attorney handle a case.

Wonder which is the case for Gibbons?

[lorettalockhorn]

It was a combination of Jones demeanor, he cried often when left alone, he asked if he could be see his mom or Nona's mom, he appeared to be answering honestly/candidly. That particular question (did you touch anything) was asked several times over a long period of time. The information prior to the trial by the PD was that Jones said he watched crime shows a lot, the assumption by the PD appeared that Jones was smart and would know how to do something like this and "get away with it". So one of the thoughts I had was- if Jones was so smart and "watched crime shows", why would he keep denying he touched anything. The conclusion I came to was that he simply didn't remember/feel when his hand touched the lightbulb.
And then, after the officer's testimony in court, the officer to which Jones said he watched crimes show, again, the context made the statement clearer and thus the conlcusion different to me.

OT: There is an episode of CSI: Miami, Entrance Wounds, from 2003 that apparently has some of the same elements as Nona's murder; stab wounds and the room temperature lowered to push back the time of death. Haven't seen it yet.

[lorettalockhorn]

I know its not everyone's favorite source!!

Special prosecutors may also be used in a state prosecution case when the prosecutor for the local jurisdiction has a conflict of interest in a case or otherwise may desire another attorney handle a case.

Wonder which is the case for Gibbons?


If Gibbons has a conflict of interest, then why did he handle the case at trial?

Yeah, Wiki is one of the worst sources; anyone can submit or edit information, therefore it is far from credible (overall) as for being objective.

[christina]

Hey Lurker! So many questions for sure. All the new DNA suggests to me at this point, is that KJ did indeed plant it; it makes no sense to me that another killer would be so careful as to not leave any other clues that we know of, yet leave the wrapper in such an obvious place.

My understanding of the DNA database is that it only contains information from either convicted persons and/or volunteers. Who volunteered DNA in this case?

I think what bothers me as much ( or more) about the defense team leaking this information after an apparent informal agreement not to, is that the procedure to appoint a special prosecutor was done in relative secrecy. Think about it; court records and procedings are public information, The Courier and other agencies frequently check the dockets for upcoming cases and motions, yet they were either not aware of whatever machinations were in the works to bring about this appointment, or stuck to the agreement to squelch the information. I find that second option a little hard to believe; if there is a killer other than Kevin walking the streets, people want to know and have a right to know, and The Courier and other media outlets have a responsibility to inform us.

Since I find it hard to believe that KFSM is lurking the clerk's office to report on Pope County court proceedings, and since Russell Jones has ties to KFSM, I'll assume for now that putting this information out to the public is more of the snow job that the Joneses are so desperate to perpetrate.

Haven't read all of today's posts, so forgive me if I'm being redundant and repetitive.

Whomever had the information-it was their responsiblity to let the public know. That includes the defense team.
I am waiting to see if the owner of the dna will match the fingerprints on the actual murder weapon, the heavy base of the lamp that the coroner's said was probably what caused the blows to Nona's head.

[lorettalockhorn]

Then will you please share your links with us? I have not heard it yet.

JCMN stated in an earlier post:

As well as played on several news audio links I have found. That is not what I heard. Someone can have anything analyzed to sound like what is wanted. I thought someone said the enhanced version was not allowed to be played in court. I assume that was not what was fed to the tv stations either.


But she still no linky!

[FDInLaw]

I understand. Define "short"...:read:Excellent point. When being beaten to death there is no "short" period of time. :( I honestly wonder if Nona knew she was in true danger of dying. She was a spirited girl and I have a hard time believing she would have just laid there like the evidence suggests. I believe this is a statement to WHO was killing her. . . it was someone she knew. I bet she was just waiting for the person to calm down. Unfortunately, he did not. :(

As to my definition. . . under ten minutes, maybe even under five.

:rose:

[christina]

OT: There is an episode of CSI: Miami, Entrance Wounds, from 2003 that apparently has some of the same elements as Nona's murder; stab wounds and the room temperature lowered to push back the time of death. Haven't seen it yet.

The context in which Jones made that statement was part of what changed it for me. The officer testified that when he told Jones he would have to ride in the back of the squad car to the station, Jones said, "yeah I know, I watch (insert name of show here) crime show". No other testimony that I remember was provided where Jones made himself to be an expert of crime shows.

[lorettalockhorn]

Whomever had the information-it was their responsiblity to let the public know. That includes the defense team.
I am waiting to see if the owner of the dna will match the fingerprints on the actual murder weapon, the heavy base of the lamp that the coroner's said was probably what caused the blows to Nona's head.


The main point that I was trying to make, is that in the USA, court procedings are generally not held in secret. I am concerned about how/why this seems to be the case here, or why the media agreed to keep this information from the public.

Haven't found much about Mcquary, except that he is from Benton and has apparently served as a special prosecutor in the past.

[lorettalockhorn]

Excellent point. When being beaten to death there is no "short" period of time. :( I honestly wonder if Nona knew she was in true danger of dying. She was a spirited girl and I have a hard time believing she would have just laid there like the evidence suggests. I believe this is a statement to WHO was killing her. . . it was someone she knew. I bet she was just waiting for the person to calm down. Unfortunately, he did not. :(

As to my definition. . . under ten minutes, maybe even under five.

:rose:

Agree. I think it was someone that she knew well enough to have seen him in a rage before that day. Someone who had been vindictive before that day.

[sweetgranny]

OK My opinion in all this is like someone said, why in the world would they all flatly deny that Kevin touched the lamp. Let me assure you if my son were being questioned in the murder of his girlfriend (as was I) and they continually asked did he touch the lamp, I would eventually say "You know I didn't see him touch it but we were all so crazy he may have." If I recall correctly, mom testified under oath that he NEVER touched the lamp and of course we all know by now that he did in fact touch the lamp.
I also had to consider the fact that Kevin's brother works at KFSM and that is who (I thought) broke the news.
On to length of time for the murder. Nona was healthy and strong (she worked out to be in good shape for the pageants) I think he (whoever killed her) had to surprise her and knock her somewhat senseless. Why did no one hear screams (some people were home, though not many)? Why did she not try to run out the door and get away. I feel it had to happen very quickly. JMO

[ifIwereU]

Also, the pictures of Kevins hands at the RPD, showed no cuts or anything. You would think that the person that killed her, would have some kind of cuts or sctatches of some sort on their hands from fighting with her.????:shrug:
You keep saying they were fighting but there is no indication that Nona was fighting back. There is no marks on her that indicate that she fought her attacker. There is evidence that she took a defensive position, but there is no indication that she struggled or attempted to kick, punch, strike, bite her attacker. When in some ways indicates to me that she knew her attacker. If Nona did not fight back there would be marks or bruises on the attacker.

[FDInLaw]

I know its not everyone's favorite source!!

Special prosecutors may also be used in a state prosecution case when the prosecutor for the local jurisdiction has a conflict of interest in a case or otherwise may desire another attorney handle a case.

Wonder which is the case for Gibbons?LMBO! :) Okay, so I have given you a hard time before. :o

You have a good point though. My guess. . . maybe Gibbons is personally convinced that Kevin is the killer, and being a professional realizes that a fresh perspective would be good for the case at this point. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

LMBO! :) Okay, so I have given you a hard time before. :o

You have a good point though. My guess. . . maybe Gibbons is personally convinced that Kevin is the killer, and being a professional realizes that a fresh perspective would be good for the case at this point. :shrug:

Didn't he state that on the courthouse steps after the verdict?

[WonderWoman]

Excellent point. When being beaten to death there is no "short" period of time. :( I honestly wonder if Nona knew she was in true danger of dying. She was a spirited girl and I have a hard time believing she would have just laid there like the evidence suggests. I believe this is a statement to WHO was killing her. . . it was someone she knew. I bet she was just waiting for the person to calm down. Unfortunately, he did not. :(

As to my definition. . . under ten minutes, maybe even under five.

:rose:

I agree with you. May i ask, are you of any relation to Nona? However, I just do not understand with the wounds on her, how the person could have killed her in less than 10 min. It just seems to me that it would have to take longer!!:shrug:

[FDInLaw]

Didn't he state that on the courthouse steps after the verdict?
Gee, can't a girl pretend to be smart and have original ideas??? :tongue:


LMBO! :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree with you. May i ask, are you of any relation to Nona? However, I just do not understand with the wounds on her, how the person could have killed her in less than 10 min. It just seems to me that it would have to take longer!!:shrug:

I can't imagine a frenzied attack taking very long at all once Nona was down.