Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[oxfordwebster]

Grandma did not buy him a new vehicle. That's a fact.no it's actually a statement contradictory to a rumor but thanks for playing

[luv2groom]

no it's actually a statement contradictory to a rumor but thanks for playing

Just catching up on the what's what going on here. Everyone wants the "truth" from the KJ Kamp - No blowing smoke here.

[lorettalockhorn]

KJ"S friends and family have not been posting on this Kevin bashing website. As the old saying goes keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.


I've always wondered (and since you're back), how do you know that KJ's friends and family haven't been posting here? And if you're close enough to know this, where do you fall in, between the friend and enemy dichotomy? :confused:

[Toonces]

The Dipert's and the Jones' both have their homes for sale.

[ifIwereU]

Grandma did not buy him a new vehicle. That's a fact.

thanks for clearing that up for us....

[ifIwereU]

Just catching up on the what's what going on here. Everyone wants the "truth" from the KJ Kamp - No blowing smoke here.

well, we do love a good debate.....so let's hear why you believe KJ didn't do it, thus far no one from Kamp Kevin has been able to present anything to us that has any creditability....best of luck:biggrin:

[oxfordwebster]

well, we do love a good debate.....so let's hear why you believe KJ didn't do it, thus far no one from Kamp Kevin has been able to present anything to us that has any creditability....best of luck:biggrin:an unbiased jury of his peers came to the conclusion that of kevin's innocence and how dare you question their intellect

*runs*

[FDInLaw]

Grandma did not buy him a new vehicle. That's a fact.

You're right. I checked my source and it was not "new." The rumor I heard ORIGINALLY (before my concept driven mind mutated it) was that Grandma Jones bought KJ "another" (different not necessarily "new") truck and that they gave his old one to RW.

Thanks for helping keep facts straight here. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

I've always wondered (and since you're back), how do you know that KJ's friends and family haven't been posting here? And if you're close enough to know this, where do you fall in, between the friend and enemy dichotomy? :confused:
LMBO! You so funny Loretta! :biggrin:

[CSOKC]

You're right. I checked my source and it was not "new." The rumor I heard ORIGINALLY (before my concept driven mind mutated it) was that Grandma Jones bought KJ "another" (different not necessarily "new") truck and that they gave his old one to RW.

Thanks for helping keep facts straight here. :seeya:
They gave his old one to RW? Gee, what a nice gift for someone, a free truck.

[CSOKC]

well, we do love a good debate.....so let's hear why you believe KJ didn't do it, thus far no one from Kamp Kevin has been able to present anything to us that has any creditability....best of luck:biggrin:
Somehow I doubt this will happen. Nobody ever backs up their opinion that he's innocent.

[oxfordwebster]

They gave his old one to RW? Gee, what a nice gift for someone, a free truck.He's been sticking with KJ like a coldsore, so I they probably felt like he needed to be rewarded. I mean, the guy was even considered a hostile witness in court for it, so... you know.

[CSOKC]

He's been sticking with KJ like a coldsore, so I they probably felt like he needed to be rewarded. I mean, the guy was even considered a hostile witness in court for it, so... you know.
What does it mean exactly to be a hostile witness?

[oxfordwebster]

What does it mean exactly to be a hostile witness?Since RW was called by the prosecution, they were able to get a judge to declare him a hostile witness because he openly admitted an interest in helping Kevin with the trial. From Wiki:

A witness called by the direct examiner can be declared hostile by a judge, at the request of the examiner, when the witness' testimony is openly antagonistic or clearly prejudiced to the opposing party.

A party examining a hostile witness may question the witness as if in cross-examination, thus permitting the use of leading questions. A hostile witness is sometimes known as an adverse witness.

Although the practice of declaring a witness hostile is very prevalent in television and in movies, it is far rarer in reality.

[SweetnSonny]

:seeya:


WELCOME SWEETNSONNY


:seeya: Thank you for the welcome!

[SweetnSonny]

HOWDY, HOWDY! :seeya:


HOWDY! :seeya:

[SweetnSonny]

Hello! From your reading, do you have any opinion on the case?


Hello. Yes, I do have an opinion of the case. I believe that Kevin Jones is guilty and that the truth will come out eventually.

[FDInLaw]

HOWDY! :seeya:
:) :seeya: :)

[oxfordwebster]

Hello. Yes, I do have an opinion of the case. I believe that Kevin Jones is guilty and that the truth will come out eventually.yet another kevin basher to this kevin bashing website basher kevin.








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[SweetnSonny]

You're right. I checked my source and it was not "new." The rumor I heard ORIGINALLY (before my concept driven mind mutated it) was that Grandma Jones bought KJ "another" (different not necessarily "new") truck and that they gave his old one to RW.

Thanks for helping keep facts straight here. :seeya:


Excellent sleuthing, FD! :)

:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Where is Christina (our resident friend of the Whitesides)??? She could tell us if the truck rumor is true or not. :read:

[hawgustusgloop]

You're right. I checked my source and it was not "new." The rumor I heard ORIGINALLY (before my concept driven mind mutated it) was that Grandma Jones bought KJ "another" (different not necessarily "new") truck and that they gave his old one to RW.

Thanks for helping keep facts straight here. :seeya:

:eek: If this is true, YIKES! It sure is nice of them to give RW a car. I wonder what he did to deserve that? It would seem that a family who seemingly sold their business interests and who knows what else to bankroll their baby boy's murder defense and impending civil trial would need every dime they could get their hands on, but who knows?

[ifIwereU]

:eek: If this is true, YIKES! It sure is nice of them to give RW a car. I wonder what he did to deserve that? It would seem that a family who seemingly sold their business interests and who knows what else to bankroll their baby boy's murder defense and impending civil trial would need every dime they could get their hands on, but who knows?
I'm sure it's on loan until RW wins his suit against the courier and cashes in on his big ticket....

[hawgustusgloop]

Where is Christina (our resident friend of the Whitesides)??? She could tell us if the truck rumor is true or not. :read:

I wouldn't count on it. She seemed to really backtrack at some point on how close their friendship was and IIRC said she hadn't spoken to them in a long time. I found that odd because she supposedly registered and started posting here in defense of them during the whole "rape party" fiasco that took place at their house. But, who knows? Maybe in her absence from this forum, she has rekindled her friendship with them.

[ifIwereU]

I wouldn't count on it. She seemed to really backtrack at some point on how close their friendship was and IIRC said she hadn't spoken to them in a long time. I found that odd because she supposedly registered and started posting here in defense of them during the whole "rape party" fiasco that took place at their house. But, who knows? Maybe in her absence from this forum, she has rekindled her friendship with them.

maybe she migrated to a "gentler more friendlier" KJ blog....where lies and deception are tolerated!:chicken:

[ifIwereU]

has anyone attempted to contact the RPD ref the case? Just wondering if they are to a point of discussing it.....CSOKC you have visited with Frost...what's his attitude? Is he in a position to discuss the case, yet? Just Curious!

[FDInLaw]

has anyone attempted to contact the RPD ref the case? Just wondering if they are to a point of discussing it.....CSOKC you have visited with Frost...what's his attitude? Is he in a position to discuss the case, yet? Just Curious!Great question! Last week I issued a challenge for people to ask questions for themselves. I wonder if anyone took me up on it? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

You're right. I checked my source and it was not "new." The rumor I heard ORIGINALLY (before my concept driven mind mutated it) was that Grandma Jones bought KJ "another" (different not necessarily "new") truck and that they gave his old one to RW.

Thanks for helping keep facts straight here. :seeya:

The guys in this crowd have a reputation for recycling and taking seconds. Trucks. Girls.

BTW, welcome to the sweets; granny and Sonny. :seeya:

[CSOKC]

has anyone attempted to contact the RPD ref the case? Just wondering if they are to a point of discussing it.....CSOKC you have visited with Frost...what's his attitude? Is he in a position to discuss the case, yet? Just Curious!


He seemed to follow up on everything I told him quite quickly. I gave him all of the information that I knew, and then gave him my sister's phone number for him to contact her. Then she gave him all of the information that she knew, plus a guys name that was very close with JB during the time, and he contacted that guy the next day. So I think that he seems to be taking the case pretty seriously still. He was very nice and prompt. He also gave me the reasons why JB wasn't considered a suspect, and didn't just say ,"oh, we know he didn't do it."

[lorettalockhorn]

He seemed to follow up on everything I told him quite quickly. I gave him all of the information that I knew, and then gave him my sister's phone number for him to contact her. Then she gave him all of the information that she knew, plus a guys name that was very close with JB during the time, and he contacted that guy the next day. So I think that he seems to be taking the case pretty seriously still. He was very nice and prompt. He also gave me the reasons why JB wasn't considered a suspect.

Good work!

This may have been answered, but was JB indeed the sender of the "why are you leading me on?" message?

[CSOKC]

Good work!

This may have been answered, but was JB indeed the sender of the "why are you leading me on?" message?
I wish I knew for sure. I definitely believe he was though. Frost told me that JB thought that he and Nona were more involved than they actually were, and that JB was hurt whenever he realized that he cared more for her than she cared for him. So it would make complete sense for JB to be the one that sent that message.

[LurkerNoMore]

I wish I knew for sure. I definitely believe he was though. Frost told me that JB thought that he and Nona were more involved than they actually were, and that JB was hurt whenever he realized that he cared more for her than she cared for him. So it would make complete sense for JB to be the one that sent that message.

JB is another one who thought his relationship with Nona was more than what it was? (After TY?)

[oxfordwebster]

JB is another one who thought his relationship with Nona was more than what it was? (After TY?)I know, it was almost as if Nona was trying to get away from a bad relationship / bad guy and she handled it like a lot of people (especially teenagers) do.

And just a heads-up, but you can take any subtle Nona bashing and, well.. I'll get in trouble by the mods if I say what I really want to.

Edit: And to further things, it's not like it's always the girl's fault if a guy feels like that. I'm sure every guy is perfectly adjusted and never socially awkward when it comes to relationships, especially those younger kids in college.

[LurkerNoMore]

I know, it was almost as if Nona was trying to get away from a bad relationship / bad guy and she handled it like a lot of people (especially teenagers) do.

And just a heads-up, but you can take any subtle Nona bashing and, well.. I'll get in trouble by the mods if I say what I really want to.

Edit: And to further things, it's not like it's always the girl's fault if a guy feels like that. I'm sure every guy is perfectly adjusted and never socially awkward when it comes to relationships, especially those younger kids in college.

How is this Nona-bashing? Who she was in contact with and what their relationship was is important to this case. If there was another emotionally upset young man in her life, this is important. How can it not be?

[SweetnSonny]

yet another kevin basher to this kevin bashing website basher kevin.








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I'm not here to bash anyone. I've been interested in the case from the beginning and just stumbled across it again recently. I really wish I hadn't missed the trial.

[oxfordwebster]

How is this Nona-bashing? Who she was in contact with and what their relationship was is important to this case. If there was another emotionally upset young man in her life, this is important. How can it not be?If I believed for a second that you actually had a true concern about Nona, then I'd take you more seriously. You jumped on here after the gag order was lifted with your nose up Kevin's butt, so don't even pretend around here.

JB was cleared. Maybe CSOKC can share the details since she was told why he was cleared and not just that he was.

You know, cleared like everybody else except for that guy with the bloody prints.

[hawgustusgloop]

And just a heads-up, but you can take any subtle Nona bashing and, well.. I'll get in trouble by the mods if I say what I really want to.


Nona was by all accounts a beautiful and wonderful girl. It is no surprise to me that there were plenty of young men wanting more of a relationship with her.

I think this is just the same old tired double standard. We're supposed to think a young woman, Nona, was terrible because she wasn't unflinchingly loyal to her Krappy boyfriend who was cheating and spying on her. Yet when a young man's (K.Jo's) promiscuity is brought up in court, it's something for Kamp Kevin to yuk it up over. They might as well have high-fived him.

[ifIwereU]

well, after CSOKC's indication that Frost was being verbal about the case, I made my own inquiry to the case...Frost was very open and indicated that he and others are still pursuing things in the case. Frost told me that he has nothing to hide and he welcomes the chance to speak about the case (excluding reporters, he said) Although he feels the right guy was tried, he said he wants to do the right thing by Nona and exaust all possibilities. When he said "he and others" were still working on the case he said that he and an investigator with ASP talk about the case on a weekly basis trying to come up with other areas and avenues to explore. I asked about testing on the condom and he said it was being done but did not know if any of that information would be released...technicially its still an open case.

[ifIwereU]

Nona was by all accounts a beautiful and wonderful girl. It is no surprise to me that there were plenty of young men wanting more of a relationship with her.

I think this is just the same old tired double standard. We're supposed to think a young woman, Nona, was terrible because she wasn't unflinchingly loyal to her Krappy boyfriend who was cheating and spying on her. Yet when a young man's (K.Jo's) promiscuity is brought up in court, it's something for Kamp Kevin to yuk it up over. They might as well have high-fived him.

WELL PUT!!

[ifIwereU]

If I believed for a second that you actually had a true concern about Nona, then I'd take you more seriously. You jumped on here after the gag order was lifted with your nose up Kevin's butt, so don't even pretend around here.

JB was cleared. Maybe CSOKC can share the details since she was told why he was cleared and not just that he was.

You know, cleared like everybody else except for that guy with the bloody prints.

:eek: (sarcasim) are you referring to the prints put on the murder weapon when he discovered the body when he was supposedly laying on top of her "keeping her warm!!" or "resuscitating her" or trying to pick her up to carry her out to the car....out of all the things in the room, he managed to touch the murder weapon, right...maybe he was trying to turn on some light.....its just plain ol ridiculous.....

[LurkerNoMore]

Nona was by all accounts a beautiful and wonderful girl. It is no surprise to me that there were plenty of young men wanting more of a relationship with her.

I think this is just the same old tired double standard. We're supposed to think a young woman, Nona, was terrible because she wasn't unflinchingly loyal to her Krappy boyfriend who was cheating and spying on her. Yet when a young man's (K.Jo's) promiscuity is brought up in court, it's something for Kamp Kevin to yuk it up over. They might as well have high-fived him.

A text message prior to the murder saying "Why are you leading me on" in combo with a guy who thought that he and Nona were more than what they were? This is important and I stand by it. It is also important to consider that TY also expressed these feelings of thinking he and Nona were more than what they were. Was this information important enough for the police to consider? I bet. Then it is important enough for us to consider it as well.

[oxfordwebster]

A text message prior to the murder saying "Why are you leading me on" in combo with a guy who thought that he and Nona were more than what they were? This is important and I stand by it. It is also important to consider that TY also expressed these feelings of thinking he and Nona were more than what they were. Was this information important enough for the police to consider? I bet. Then it is important enough for us to consider it as well.You know what's also important to consider? Who was cleared, who wasn't cleared, who left bloody prints on a murder, who didn't have an alibi, who lied to police, who...

Oh, I think you get the point.

[lorettalockhorn]

Nona was by all accounts a beautiful and wonderful girl. It is no surprise to me that there were plenty of young men wanting more of a relationship with her.

I think this is just the same old tired double standard. We're supposed to think a young woman, Nona, was terrible because she wasn't unflinchingly loyal to her Krappy boyfriend who was cheating and spying on her. Yet when a young man's (K.Jo's) promiscuity is brought up in court, it's something for Kamp Kevin to yuk it up over. They might as well have high-fived him.

Amen.

Kamp KuJo tends to indicate that Nona was dissolute. What I want to know is; if that is so, why was Kevin supposedly on the brink of proposing to her? He had to have known that he wasn't ready for marriage himself, why would he want to marry someone who was carrying on with anyone else?

I agree with Ox's summary that the way these kids felt about each other probably isn't unusual for teens/young adults, there's always room for confusion in any relationship.

[CSOKC]

If I believed for a second that you actually had a true concern about Nona, then I'd take you more seriously. You jumped on here after the gag order was lifted with your nose up Kevin's butt, so don't even pretend around here.

JB was cleared. Maybe CSOKC can share the details since she was told why he was cleared and not just that he was.

You know, cleared like everybody else except for that guy with the bloody prints.

Frost said that he had interviewed JB on three seperate occasions, and that each time he was very cooperative. He also interviewed his good friends who were cooperative as well. From all of the interviews, he said that plain and simply there was absolutely no evidence that Jared was ever at Nona's apartment that day.

[FDInLaw]

well, after CSOKC's indication that Frost was being verbal about the case, I made my own inquiry to the case...Frost was very open and indicated that he and others are still pursuing things in the case. Frost told me that he has nothing to hide and he welcomes the chance to speak about the case (excluding reporters, he said) Although he feels the right guy was tried, he said he wants to do the right thing by Nona and exaust all possibilities. When he said "he and others" were still working on the case he said that he and an investigator with ASP talk about the case on a weekly basis trying to come up with other areas and avenues to explore. I asked about testing on the condom and he said it was being done but did not know if any of that information would be released...technicially its still an open case.
Nona deserves to have every possible avenue checked again before her case is closed. Special thanks to Mark and the others that are making this happen! :patriot:

[oxfordwebster]

Frost said that he had interviewed JB on three seperate occasions, and that each time he was very cooperative. He also interviewed his good friends who were cooperative as well. From all of the interviews, he said that plain and simply there was absolutely no evidence that Jared was ever at Nona's apartment that day.Thanks for that. It's not exactly a surprise to hear, though.

But, but... KJ's people told me the police didn't look at anybody else I AM SO CONFUSED.

[CSOKC]

Thanks for that. It's not exactly a surprise to hear, though.

But, but... KJ's people told me the police didn't look at anybody else I AM SO CONFUSED.
Yeah, it seems they were trying to portray poor KJ as the victim. Ridiculous.

[ifIwereU]

A text message prior to the murder saying "Why are you leading me on" in combo with a guy who thought that he and Nona were more than what they were? This is important and I stand by it. It is also important to consider that TY also expressed these feelings of thinking he and Nona were more than what they were. Was this information important enough for the police to consider? I bet. Then it is important enough for us to consider it as well.

well, that particular text message wasn't sent the day of the murder. a more important text message to consider is the one Nona sent to KJ at 9:00 am...that went unanswered.....

[FDInLaw]

well, that particular text message wasn't sent the day of the murder. a more important text message to consider is the one Nona sent to KJ at 9:00 am...that went unanswered..... Huh! :cool:

[CSOKC]

well, that particular text message wasn't sent the day of the murder. a more important text message to consider is the one Nona sent to KJ at 9:00 am...that went unanswered.....
You know, I never thought about that. It does seem more than a little fishy that she sent him that message and he was so worried about her, but for some reason didn't answer. And then he tried to make it seem like she was the one that didn't keep in touch that day.

[ifIwereU]

You know, I never thought about that. It does seem more than a little fishy that she sent him that message and he was so worried about her, but for some reason didn't answer. And then he tried to make it seem like she was the one that didn't keep in touch that day.
he did send a "U alive?" text message that afternoon....ironic don't you think?

[oxfordwebster]

You know, I never thought about that. It does seem more than a little fishy that she sent him that message and he was so worried about her, but for some reason didn't answer. And then he tried to make it seem like she was the one that didn't keep in touch that day.I've known about that 9:00am text message and never really drew that from it, either. Good one, CSOKC, you're definitely CSOKC.

I hope I don't get banned for being cheesy

[FDInLaw]

I've known about that 9:00am text message and never really drew that from it, either. Good one, CSOKC, you're definitely CSOKC.

I hope I don't get banned for being cheesyLMBO! :tongue:


Great point CSOKC (and ifIwereU)!

[ifIwereU]

Thanks for that. It's not exactly a surprise to hear, though.

But, but... KJ's people told me the police didn't look at anybody else I AM SO CONFUSED.

how can anyone in KJ'S corner be surprised that the police focused on Kevin...HELLO! his print was on the murder weapon.....and he didn't give them any explaination why it was there..NONE!!!! this has never been explained to me in any form that I can comprehend...

so you have to ask yourself...what would you do.....go, oh gee, he must have ACCIDENTIALLY contaminated the crime scene...so lets overlook him...and move on to a guy that left a text message weeks prior that read "why are you leading me on"

man I must be an idiot...cuz that is asinine

[hawgustusgloop]

how can anyone in KJ'S corner be surprised that the police focused on Kevin


Their shock that the police focused on Kevin probably came from their personal knowledge of his *ahem* pristine reputation. I guess for them it's kind of like if the Pope's print was on a murder weapon or something.

[hawgustusgloop]

I'd still really like to know what prompted K.Jo's dad's outburst in the police station way back when. It sounds like he has a heck of a temper. Did anyone ever find out the story behind this?

[ifIwereU]

who knows had KJ went in the 1st interview and said..you know what, I might have touched the lamp.....I think RPD would have been less skeptical...or at least to some degree....he remembered touching a card, the jagged skull bone, and the blood to see how fresh the blood was....but he never gave RPD (that I know of) any explaination of how his print got on the weapon...however, the so-called HIRED experts were certain it was on the weapon at the discovery..if they paid me me big $$ I would have said that too.....

[ifIwereU]

I'd still really like to know what prompted K.Jo's dad's outburst in the police station way back when. It sounds like he has a heck of a temper. Did anyone ever find out the story behind this?

IMO it was because the RPD had become accusatory toward KJ...and his dad wanted the interview stopped

[CSOKC]

who knows had KJ went in the 1st interview and said..you know what, I might have touched the lamp.....I think RPD would have been less skeptical...or at least to some degree....he remembered touching a card, the jagged skull bone, and the blood to see how fresh the blood was....but he never gave RPD (that I know of) any explaination of how his print got on the weapon...however, the so-called HIRED experts were certain it was on the weapon at the discovery..if they paid me me big $$ I would have said that too.....

I wouldn't have. But I think I understand what you mean.

[hawgustusgloop]

who knows had KJ went in the 1st interview and said..you know what, I might have touched the lamp.....I think RPD would have been less skeptical...or at least to some degree....he remembered touching a card, the jagged skull bone, and the blood to see how fresh the blood was....but he never gave RPD (that I know of) any explaination of how his print got on the weapon...however, the so-called HIRED experts were certain it was on the weapon at the discovery..if they paid me me big $$ I would have said that too.....

IMO he thought he wiped all his prints off of the lamp and KNEW he wiped his FINGERprints off. He just didn't think about that one palm print he probably didn't see. He was probably purposely holding it with his palm when he was wiping his fingerprints off to avoid leaving more fingerprints and not thinking about being identified by a palm print. I think he felt like he HAD to say he didn't touch the lamp because he knew that would be the murder weapon. I wonder if they just asked if he touched anything or if they specifically asked if he touched the lamp. If they just asked if he had touched anything and he said, "I might have touched that lamp that was broken on the floor," it could make him seem even more suspicious because it might seem like he knew that was the weapon and was trying to explain away why his prints would be on it.

I think one of those experts actually HURT his case, but I guess the jury didn't get that.

[ifIwereU]

IMO he thought he wiped all his prints off of the lamp and KNEW he wiped his FINGERprints off. He just didn't think about that one palm print he probably didn't see. He was probably purposely holding it with his palm when he was wiping his fingerprints off to avoid leaving more fingerprints and not thinking about being identified by a palm print. I think he felt like he HAD to say he didn't touch the lamp because he knew that would be the murder weapon. I wonder if they just asked if he touched anything or if they specifically asked if he touched the lamp. If they just asked if he had touched anything and he said, "I might have touched that lamp that was broken on the floor," it could make him seem even more suspicious because it might seem like he knew that was the weapon and was trying to explain away why his prints would be on it.

I think one of those experts actually HURT his case, but I guess the jury didn't get that.
didn't get anything....:flamemad:

[LurkerNoMore]

how can anyone in KJ'S corner be surprised that the police focused on Kevin...HELLO! his print was on the murder weapon.....and he didn't give them any explaination why it was there..NONE!!!! this has never been explained to me in any form that I can comprehend...

so you have to ask yourself...what would you do.....go, oh gee, he must have ACCIDENTIALLY contaminated the crime scene...so lets overlook him...and move on to a guy that left a text message weeks prior that read "why are you leading me on"

man I must be an idiot...cuz that is asinine

I don't think that Kevin should have been overlooked. He should have been suspect number 1 for all the reasons you have pointed out. Then DD ("let's destroy evidence"), as stepfather, and the other men in Nona's life. JM, TY, JB, and JH, which, taken one by one, would go something like this:

JM ("soulmate" as FD says and chat buddy... the defense says he lied to the cops... did he? Neither side ever elaborated...)

TY (text message day of murder about wanting to bring by a cake pan and upset with Nona for using him for bio grade; looks like the person Brandy Bean said was fighting with Nona at her apartment)

JB ("why are you leading me on" text message in the days before murder and hurt that he thought his relationship with Nona was more than it actually was)

JH (rumored music room pal)

The investigation focused on Kevin and maybe they did some poking around on the others. But it was primarily Kevin. The prosecutors could have demonstrated to the jury how these other individuals were eliminated one by one, cutting off the defense's tactic of pointing fingers. They didn't , KJ walked, and here we are.

[ifIwereU]

who knows had KJ went in the 1st interview and said..you know what, I might have touched the lamp.....I think RPD would have been less skeptical...or at least to some degree....he remembered touching a card, the jagged skull bone, and the blood to see how fresh the blood was....but he never gave RPD (that I know of) any explaination of how his print got on the weapon...however, the so-called HIRED experts were certain it was on the weapon at the discovery..if they paid me me big $$ I would have said that too.....

he also failed to mention his interaction with Grandma Jones when it mattered too....Jones came up with excuses only when he figured out he needed to cover his tracks better.....JMO
failing to give up critical details is a sign of deception in my book...BIG TIME

[ifIwereU]

I don't think that Kevin should have been overlooked. He should have been suspect number 1 for all the reasons you have pointed out. Then DD ("let's destroy evidence"), as stepfather, and the other men in Nona's life. JM, TY, JB, and JH, which, taken one by one, would go something like this:

JM ("soulmate" as FD says and chat buddy... the defense says he lied to the cops... did he? Neither side ever elaborated...)

TY (text message day of murder about wanting to bring by a cake pan and upset with Nona for using him for bio grade; looks like the person Brandy Bean said was fighting with Nona at her apartment)

JB ("why are you leading me on" text message in the days before murder and hurt that he thought his relationship with Nona was more than it actually was)

JH (rumored music room pal)

The investigation focused on Kevin and maybe they did some poking around on the others. But it was primarily Kevin. The prosecutors could have demonstrated to the jury how these other individuals were eliminated one by one, cutting off the defense's tactic of pointing fingers. They didn't , KJ walked, and here we are.

I whole heartedly agree that all the above listed persons should have been the interest of the PD in the hours after the murder. I can also see how an investigators radar would go off when critical questions are asked and answers given...only to have the person giving the answers back pedal to CYA (cover his a**)...I don't believe that we live in a community where LE want to send the wrong person to prison....there was no indication by any of the LE at the trial that they were on a witch hunt (so to speak) They based their judgements on instincts that they have developed over the years dealing with criminals....( that thank goodness we don't have to deal with)

I hope that we can all have the paperwork in our hands one day that shows just how many people were eliminated by the PD....I bet the list goes beyond the ones discussed here....sex offenders in the area... those with prior convictons of violence against women.....just because RPD mishandled the crime scene....isn't proof to me that they mishandled the entire investigation.

[hawgustusgloop]

I don't think that Kevin should have been overlooked. He should have been suspect number 1 for all the reasons you have pointed out. Then DD ("let's destroy evidence"), as stepfather, and the other men in Nona's life. JM, TY, JB, and JH, which, taken one by one, would go something like this:

JM ("soulmate" as FD says and chat buddy... the defense says he lied to the cops... did he? Neither side ever elaborated...)

TY (text message day of murder about wanting to bring by a cake pan and upset with Nona for using him for bio grade; looks like the person Brandy Bean said was fighting with Nona at her apartment)

JB ("why are you leading me on" text message in the days before murder and hurt that he thought his relationship with Nona was more than it actually was)

JH (rumored music room pal)

The investigation focused on Kevin and maybe they did some poking around on the others. But it was primarily Kevin. The prosecutors could have demonstrated to the jury how these other individuals were eliminated one by one, cutting off the defense's tactic of pointing fingers. They didn't , KJ walked, and here we are.

Let's not get too crazy with the facts here.

DD "let's destroy evidence"? He just asked for the phone back and it was given to him. He seemingly did nothing that anyone else wouldn't do who was preparing to use the phone.

JM The worst credible thing I heard about him was that CH said he was "weird," which probably makes him sound better than if she said he was normal. I also heard he was very cooperative and had absolutely no motive.

Trey York "upset with Nona for using him for a bio grade"? Did he really seem angry enough to kill over THAT? Also, Brandy Bean apparently never saw that person's face, NEVER identified him as TY, and said he was "dark-complected," which many say is the opposite from TY's complexion.

JB? Despite the opinion of some, it appears he was thoroughly checked out and cleared.

JH "rumored music room pal"? I have never seen any real corroboration of the music room story. In fact, posters who were in the courtroom have said they never heard it. It is only a rumor that came from a proven liar on this forum.

When you are finished trying to spin the suspicion away from Kevin, maybe you would like to answer this question for us:

well, we do love a good debate.....so let's hear why you believe KJ didn't do it, thus far no one from Kamp Kevin has been able to present anything to us that has any creditability....best of luck:biggrin:

[CSOKC]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ifIwereU
well, we do love a good debate.....so let's hear why you believe KJ didn't do it, thus far no one from Kamp Kevin has been able to present anything to us that has any creditability....best of luck


This is something that I am actually very curious about. Not so that I can jump on the person that presents their opinion on why they believe that KJ is not guilty. But I really do want someone to say why they believe that he didn't do it. There's got to be some reason. Right?

[ifIwereU]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ifIwereU
well, we do love a good debate.....so let's hear why you believe KJ didn't do it, thus far no one from Kamp Kevin has been able to present anything to us that has any creditability....best of luck


This is something that I am actually very curious about. Not so that I can jump on the person that presents their opinion on why they believe that KJ is not guilty. But I really do want someone to say why they believe that he didn't do it. There's got to be some reason. Right?

because granny gave him an alibi at 11:30....a week or so after the murder
because he was hysterical and grieving when he touched the murder weapon and didn't remember it...and because there were so many others that could have done it....these have been only points that I have seen thus far....but ofcourse I am a newbie.....

[CSOKC]

because granny gave him an alibi at 11:30....a week or so after the murder
because he was hysterical and grieving when he touched the murder weapon and didn't remember it...and because there were so many others that could have done it....these have been only points that I have seen thus far....but ofcourse I am a newbie.....

In my opinion, none of these are good points. I think it's all a load of BS. But that could just be me...

[ifIwereU]

In my opinion, none of these are good points. I think it's all a load of BS. But that could just be me...

this is also why those who come to post as KJ supporters get frustrated...they can't articulate, with any evidentiary value, why he couldn't have done it.

ME estimated TOD between 10a and noon.....where was KJ?....well in his original statement he was cleaning his room....never mentioned grandma....says he left his house around noon and called his buddy Huggins enroute from his house to the Bayou Bridge Cafe...NEVER MENTIONS grandma....his phone records according to the prosecution...indicate he called HUGGINS at 12:05p....if Frazier left his house at 10:20....KJ still had plenty of time to respond (in person) to the 9am text message from Nona....why did he not text her back, IMO he decided to load up and see her in person...not necessarily to kill her but to do a "POP IN" maybe check up on her....JMO

[FDInLaw]

I don't think that Kevin should have been overlooked. He should have been suspect number 1 for all the reasons you have pointed out. Then DD ("let's destroy evidence"), as stepfather, and the other men in Nona's life. JM, TY, JB, and JH, which, taken one by one, would go something like this:

JM ("soulmate" as FD says and chat buddy... the defense says he lied to the cops... did he? Neither side ever elaborated...)
TY (text message day of murder about wanting to bring by a cake pan and upset with Nona for using him for bio grade; looks like the person Brandy Bean said was fighting with Nona at her apartment)

JB ("why are you leading me on" text message in the days before murder and hurt that he thought his relationship with Nona was more than it actually was)

JH (rumored music room pal)

The investigation focused on Kevin and maybe they did some poking around on the others. But it was primarily Kevin. The prosecutors could have demonstrated to the jury how these other individuals were eliminated one by one, cutting off the defense's tactic of pointing fingers. They didn't , KJ walked, and here we are.I've actually asked about this one. According to Mark Frost, Jeremy Martin did NOT lie to the police. Ask him yourself.

[hawgustusgloop]

Quote:

This is something that I am actually very curious about. Not so that I can jump on the person that presents their opinion on why they believe that KJ is not guilty. But I really do want someone to say why they believe that he didn't do it. There's got to be some reason. Right?

IMO this is the closest thing to an answer (not a good one IMO) you're going to get:

Well, I am in agreement with most of these issues the others posted. The cell phone records are going to be an issue used to discredit his stories. But, from a defense standpoint, I think other phone records will be of importance to prove his story, i.e. home phone, maybe the store phone, a friend's phone, etc. Just because the cell phone records don't correlate, we don't know about other records. I agree with JR about the time discrepancy at the store. If it were busy at that time or something was going on, the other workers reccolection, I feel may not be totally reliable. As JR said, I doubt there are time clocks in a small business as such, but perhaps there was a security camera that might give insight to that situation. Perhaps this person did not like K. and maybe was not totally honest. I think the condom wrapper showing someone else's DNA will be a huge issue for the defense as it places someone else there. I think the fingerprint on the light bulb regarding the time drying issues is huge. I think CoP writing the blood on the bulb as being of tacky consistency is important. I don't feel that during that time of year and weather that if would have gotten to that consistency that quickly, and the testing that goes along with this theory is a huge point, to me. It has been widely discussed in various places that they were both seeing VARIOUS other people, so I don't think everything was hunky dory for them. They were childhood sweethearts, but there were aslo growing pains, but I don't think that means they still didn't love each other. I don't think it odd that he was going out for the evening with his mom. I do think it somewhat odd he had someone else do the initial check on her being so worried but I think there could be various explanations. If they were fighting or having problems and he had not been unable to reach her, I do not think it odd for him to be worried about her and want to check on her. Maybe he didn't think she would answer the door if he showed up and that's why he sent RW. I still wonder about the missing stick for the door. Where is it? What was done with it? I think the change of venue is a smart move for the defense, but I think it will work for the prosecutions wqually as well. I don't know if I think they will try to implicate someone else, but it seems plausible taking all into consideration. The cell phone being released before the defense has a chence to examine it is a blunder that I don't think will help the prosecution. I think that it should not be allowed for use. The text message "U alive?" is creepy now, but under normal circumstances it would have just been silly. I think it may have been just what he claimed it was, a joke between the two of them, and maybe a familiar way to lighten things up if things were going a wry. I think the timing may have been an ironic coincident. About the charges being dropped- I don't think it was a witch hunt, but being the boyfriend with an image that seemed to be falling away from the good boy image, and just being the boyfriend, I feel he was the most convenient suspect with not much else to go on. If they were so sure in the very beginning, then why not arrest him and spare everyone the agony? The fact it took so long bothers me and makes it less cut and dried, especially when they started out with a great number of people. I don't feel enough options were explored. The fact that, from what I understand, there was no known history of violence, not even a rumor of such. I think even he people who all of sudden fly out of control probably have shown some hints of violence in their history. I don't want to believe that someone who had done such a thing could act so well and appear so distraught over it all, but I know there are some who can. I think the chances of him being acquitted are high, and I think on the evidence presented that I am aware of that he deserves to be.

Every time that I know of that someone tried to pin down one of Kevin's defenders and get an answer as to why he didn't do it, the Krony just bumps this post instead of answering. So, I'll save everyone the trouble.

All I got from it was that he didn't do it because there was no history of violence, not even a rumor. I have heard a rumor that he was violent toward her before, but it is just a rumor.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think that Kevin should have been overlooked. He should have been suspect number 1 for all the reasons you have pointed out. Then DD ("let's destroy evidence"), as stepfather, and the other men in Nona's life. JM, TY, JB, and JH, which, taken one by one, would go something like this:

JM ("soulmate" as FD says and chat buddy... the defense says he lied to the cops... did he? Neither side ever elaborated...)

TY (text message day of murder about wanting to bring by a cake pan and upset with Nona for using him for bio grade; looks like the person Brandy Bean said was fighting with Nona at her apartment)

JB ("why are you leading me on" text message in the days before murder and hurt that he thought his relationship with Nona was more than it actually was)

JH (rumored music room pal)

The investigation focused on Kevin and maybe they did some poking around on the others. But it was primarily Kevin. The prosecutors could have demonstrated to the jury how these other individuals were eliminated one by one, cutting off the defense's tactic of pointing fingers. They didn't , KJ walked, and here we are.

Guess we'll never know about JM since the defense saw fit to cast aspersions on him in the press, but never called him as a witness.

Glad to see that you're backing off of JH having had sex in a music room at Tech since others have stated that they never heard him testify to that.

While I (and maybe others) would grant that the State could have done a much better presentation overall, I don't think for a minute that any of the suspects should have been named in court. It would have been comforting if Mark Frost had taken time to explain that X number of suspects were ruled out and for exactly what reasons.

Grandma's contrived alibi still leaves KJ plenty of time to have committed the crime. I'm thinking that the reason that he didn't return Nona's message is because he was soon to be on his way to do a little stalking; he likely wanted her to think that he was too busy with his honeydo list to answer.

[CSOKC]

IMO this is the closest thing to an answer (not a good one IMO) you're going to get:



Every time that I know of that someone tried to pin down one of Kevin's defenders and get an answer as to why he didn't do it, the Krony just bumps this post instead of answering. So, I'll save everyone the trouble.

All I got from it was that he didn't do it because there was no history of violence, not even a rumor. I have heard a rumor that he was violent toward her before, but it is just a rumor.
Thank you for reposting that. I definitely must have missed that post whenever I read through all of these pages. I'm a little surprised by who it was originally posted by though. I thought this person was problematic? This post actually seemed like they thought out an answer rather than just say they know he didn't do it in some obnoxious way.

[ifIwereU]

Guess we'll never know about JM since the defense saw fit to cast aspersions on him in the press, but never called him as a witness.

Glad to see that you're backing off of JH having had sex in a music room at Tech since others have stated that they never heard him testify to that.

While I (and maybe others) would grant that the State could have done a much better presentation overall, I don't think for a minute that any of the suspects should have been named in court. It would have been comforting if Mark Frost had taken time to explain that X number of suspects were ruled out and for exactly what reasons.
Grandma's contrived alibi still leaves KJ plenty of time to have committed the crime. I'm thinking that the reason that he didn't return Nona's message is because he was soon to be on his way to do a little stalking; he likely wanted her to think that he was too busy with his honeydo list to answer.

I got the impression from Frost that he wanted to....but when in the witness box you can only answer to the questions asked....

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for reposting that. I definitely must have missed that post whenever I read through all of these pages. I'm a little surprised by who it was originally posted by though. I thought this person was problematic? This post actually seemed like they thought out an answer rather than just say they know he didn't do it in some obnoxious way.

There is speculation that this poster was fed information and that possibly she was not the author of this particular post.

[lorettalockhorn]

I got the impression from Frost that he wanted to....but when in the witness box you can only answer to the questions asked....

Yep. So true.

[luv2groom]

You're right. I checked my source and it was not "new." The rumor I heard ORIGINALLY (before my concept driven mind mutated it) was that Grandma Jones bought KJ "another" (different not necessarily "new") truck and that they gave his old one to RW.

Thanks for helping keep facts straight here. :seeya:

Sorry FDInLaw! Grandma Jones did not buy KJ any vehicle.

[FDInLaw]

Sorry FDInLaw! Grandma Jones did not buy KJ any vehicle.
Huh. We're gonna have to research this rumor more! Has anyone seen what KJ is driving these days??? :shrug:

[LurkerNoMore]

Frost said that he had interviewed JB on three seperate occasions, and that each time he was very cooperative. He also interviewed his good friends who were cooperative as well. From all of the interviews, he said that plain and simply there was absolutely no evidence that Jared was ever at Nona's apartment that day.

Kevin was also very cooperative with police and gave all those interviews voluntarily.

[LurkerNoMore]

Yeah, it seems they were trying to portray poor KJ as the victim. Ridiculous.

Kevin was a victim of this tragedy.

[LurkerNoMore]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ifIwereU
well, we do love a good debate.....so let's hear why you believe KJ didn't do it, thus far no one from Kamp Kevin has been able to present anything to us that has any creditability....best of luck


This is something that I am actually very curious about. Not so that I can jump on the person that presents their opinion on why they believe that KJ is not guilty. But I really do want someone to say why they believe that he didn't do it. There's got to be some reason. Right?

For me it comes down to timing and behavior. I don't believe Kevin had time to kill Nona that morning, and I don't believe he could just turn it off and be normal that afternoon, which he was.

[oxfordwebster]

Kevin was also very cooperative with police and gave all those interviews voluntarily.He probably should have been less cooperative, and then maybe we wouldn't have had all of those lies come out of his mouth.

[oxfordwebster]

For me it comes down to timing and behavior. I don't believe Kevin had time to kill Nona that morning, and I don't believe he could just turn it off and be normal that afternoon, which he was.Oh, wow? So did you manage to find Kevin's missing alibi?

[lorettalockhorn]

He probably should have been less cooperative, and then maybe we wouldn't have had all of those lies come out of his mouth.

They seemed to have escaped the attention of the jury anyway. :confused:

Ooh! Wonder if any of them are driving new trucks.

[hawgustusgloop]

Sorry FDInLaw! Grandma Jones did not buy KJ any vehicle.

The only way you could know 100% for a fact that she didn't buy him a vehicle is if you are Grandma Jones OR if you bought him the vehicle. Otherwise, it's just a rumor.

[hawgustusgloop]

Kevin was a victim of this tragedy.

Yes, perhaps he was a fashion victim, and definitely a haircut victim. But IMO it ends there. I think he is actually the opposite of a victim in that he got away with something for which he should have been punished.

[hawgustusgloop]

Kevin was also very cooperative with police and gave all those interviews voluntarily.

Only IMO because he was narcissistic enough to think the police would believe his schtick.

[luv2groom]

The only way you could know 100% for a fact that she didn't buy him a vehicle is if you are Grandma Jones OR if you bought him the vehicle. Otherwise, it's just a rumor.

I'm not Grandma Jones - I have that info from a close source. Think what you may. I'm checking out for the night. Sleep tight everyone!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

I'm not Grandma Jones - I have that info from a close source. Think what you may. I'm checking out for the night. Sleep tight everyone!!!!!!! I am working on figuring this one out. If this truck thing is not true let's get it on here and let folks know. The source I have called it a "rumor" so let's find out the truth. Is there some way we can verify what you say?

Good night luv2groom. :seeya:

[ifIwereU]

For me it comes down to timing and behavior. I don't believe Kevin had time to kill Nona that morning, and I don't believe he could just turn it off and be normal that afternoon, which he was.

so how have you justified his behavior in the interview room....
when he describes feeling the blood to see how fresh it was? NOT NORMAL or when he says I had been trying to call her all day and "I didn't know if her phone was dead in the other room." which it was....when he hadn't tried to call her all day....he began at 2:10 and ended right before he called RW....I'm no math wiz...but thats 4 hours at the most....

"NORMAL".....is something he knew he needed to be in the face of so many....narcissists can turn on and off any behavior they choose...at will
ever hear of Ted Bundy.....classic case...ever hear of the BTK killer from Kansas....he was a deacon of his church
normal behavior is not any thing I would sink my teeth into...its the abnormal stuff that should concern you....like showing no emotion when describing the gapping wound on the back of Nona's head....NOT NORMAL!!
being the first person around the back of the apartment and not looking in....instead dicks around with the door so his buddy would see her first...NOT NORMAL! wiping nona's blood all over his face and has nothing on his pants...NOT NORMAL!!
I could go on and on....

[nobody]

(JMO) We seem to be spinning ourselves around the same questions of the same person - in search of new rumors - when the questions can not even be answered about other suspects who were allegedly cleared by the RPD. To which, I'm sure, they were told to focus on suspect #1 just one week after the murder. Wow.
So, to be fair, all the questions that you ask about KJ - try asking those same questions about others like TY. Remember all of TY's questions were asked with his lawyer standing by. Unlike KJ, who was interrigated voluntarily without representation.

Here is my question - what exactly was TY's alibi?:
10:30am - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window starts
11:00am - Trey York finishes Exam
11:04am – "Call me, please" Text message, from Trey York, opened on Nona's cell phone (He claimed to be in his dorm room - packing)
11:10am - Jeremy Huggins time card begins at Bayou Bridge Cafe
11:15am - photo of a young couple of was downloaded on Nona's computer
11:30am – Norma Tate Jones sees Kevin Jones at family gas station
12:05pm - Kevin Jones called Jeremy Huggins
12:18pm – Kevin Jone's Food receipt for Bayou Bridge Cafe
12:58pm – "Nevermind" Text message, from Trey York, not opened on Nona's cell phone (He claims to be at Exxon station, near I40)
13:00pm - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window ends

[oxfordwebster]

Here is my question - what exactly was TY's alibi?Here's one for you:

What physical evidence ties TY to the scene? Did he leave some bloody prints that we just forgot to talk about?

[nobody]

ok, I will take a stab at that.

He texted her, with intent to see her that day.

[oxfordwebster]

ok, I will take a stab at that.

He texted her, with intent to see her that day.Yes, that not-physical-at-all evidence completely overwhelms KJ's involvement and firmly places TY at the scene.

[FDInLaw]

ok, I will take a stab at that.

He texted her, with intent to see her that day.
The point Ox is trying to make it that there was nothing that physically put TY at the scene. Intent is not the same thing.

[nobody]

I understood. So then, we say that KJ took the time to wipe everything down, but oops! forgot the bulb.
Well, couldn't TY have done the same - but without forgetting anything? Except maybe the oven door...

[oxfordwebster]

I understood. So then, we say that KJ took the time to wipe everything down, but oops! forgot the bulb.
Well, couldn't TY have done the same - but without forgetting anything? Except maybe the oven door...Sure, you can also say that gremlins live in the woods, too.

Once we figure out how exactly Kevin managed to leave a print in blood showing no signs of coagulation without doing it when the murder happened, I'll be more interested in looking at TY's genius crime scene skills.

[FDInLaw]

This is interesting. . . TY's prints were taken and used during the investigation of the crime scene. LE did check this kid out.


Fingerprints
When asked about latent fingerprints found on the base of the floor lamp not belonging to Jones, Frost said Bobby Humphries, the fingerprint examiner from the State Crime Lab, informed him the prints were not suitable for comparison.
“But Chief Bacon, your boss and a certified latent print examiner, said they could be used for comparison,” Bristow said, adding that Bacon had been able to compare them to Jones‚ prints. He asked Frost if the RPD took fingerprints from anyone other than Jones.
Frost said TREY YORK, an ATU student who went on a date with Dirksmeyer, was fingerprinted when police interviewed him, and Bacon said the latent prints did not match with York’s.
“If the prints aren’t identifiable, there’s no reason to print anyone else,” Frost said.
http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15414&Search=trey%20york

[FDInLaw]

I understood. So then, we say that KJ took the time to wipe everything down, but oops! forgot the bulb.
Well, couldn't TY have done the same - but without forgetting anything? Except maybe the oven door...
Oven door? Do you have something to back this up or are you just trying to start a rumor?

[hawgustusgloop]

I understood. So then, we say that KJ took the time to wipe everything down, but oops! forgot the bulb.
Well, couldn't TY have done the same - but without forgetting anything? Except maybe the oven door...

Are you trying to say TY left a print on the oven door? He must be REALLY good at crime scene manipulation if he also left K.Jo's palm print on the murder weapon. This is your most ridiculous statement yet. Well, other than the Holly Gale sex-for-grades-gone-wrong scenario.

[hawgustusgloop]

(JMO) Remember all of TY's questions were asked with his lawyer standing by.

Do you have a link to prove this? Or is it just a rumor?

[optimumprimal78]

Ok, I know that there is a lot of stuff being thrown out there but I was thinking about something so here goes:

1. RW was/is KJ's best friend (unless you believe CH).
2. RW was/is a pizza delivery guy.
3. KJ was worried about ND and had RW go check on her.
4. RW told KJ that she wasn't there (or whatever it was).
5. (Hypothetical) RW COULD have been with Nona alone that day. Nothing sexual but he could have gone by and knocked (like a "good friend") and Nona knowing who it was let him in. Something could have happened (i.e., an argument/he wanted something from her/etc.). She said no and he took offense to that as he apparently isn't a guy who gets told "no" a lot and he hit her. Just because there were 2 or 3 prints on a lamp doesn't mean that there couldn't have been more but they were probably just focus on KJ at the time.
6. Since RW was a pizza delivery guy he might have had other shirts for his work. Since he lived in Russellville he would have had time to go home and change.

I'm sure that there is plenty of things to break this theory as I haven't really paid attention to RW before. Maybe some of you can give some insight.

[ifIwereU]

(JMO) We seem to be spinning ourselves around the same questions of the same person - in search of new rumors - when the questions can not even be answered about other suspects who were allegedly cleared by the RPD. To which, I'm sure, they were told to focus on suspect #1 just one week after the murder. Wow.
So, to be fair, all the questions that you ask about KJ - try asking those same questions about others like TY. Remember all of TY's questions were asked with his lawyer standing by. Unlike KJ, who was interrigated voluntarily without representation.

Here is my question - what exactly was TY's alibi?:
10:30am - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window starts
11:00am - Trey York finishes Exam
11:04am – "Call me, please" Text message, from Trey York, opened on Nona's cell phone (He claimed to be in his dorm room - packing)
11:10am - Jeremy Huggins time card begins at Bayou Bridge Cafe
11:15am - photo of a young couple of was downloaded on Nona's computer
11:30am – Norma Tate Jones sees Kevin Jones at family gas station
12:05pm - Kevin Jones called Jeremy Huggins
12:18pm – Kevin Jone's Food receipt for Bayou Bridge Cafe
12:58pm – "Nevermind" Text message, from Trey York, not opened on Nona's cell phone (He claims to be at Exxon station, near I40)
13:00pm - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window ends

IMO....TY never had to re-think his story and come up with other explainations after his first story didn't pan out...unlike Jones, who reconstructed his story when "his room cleaning" story wasn't enough...maybe he suffers from temporary amnesia.....
the PA had two rebuttal witnesses at the trial who were to say they had visited with Trey prior to his leaving but after the test....they never took the stand because the rebuttal wasn't needed.

TY never provided a detailed description of the what "he thought" had happened in the manner that KJ did....KJ described how Nona was "drug" to the front room and hit in the back of the head...with the blood found in the kitchen its plausible to think that Nona was "drug" from the kitchen to the living room...after all the lamp was in the corner of the room near the kitchen.. JJ never described the scene this way...JJ's initial call to the police indicated it was a "horrible accident."
TY also talked about visiting Hastings....where's that in your time line?
I would also remind you that KJ wrote his timeline for RPD the night of the murder and doesn't include the granny visit...

the 1115a "download" is irrevlant because both PA and defense concede it was a systems check...with no one in front if the computer....
while your at it put in the all the phone call made by Jones to Nona....and see how that tips your time line

[CSOKC]

Kevin was also very cooperative with police and gave all those interviews voluntarily.
But the big difference here is the last part of my post. There was no evidence whatsoever that JB was at the apartment that day. Can't say the same for KJ, can you?

[CSOKC]

TY never provided a detailed description of the what "he thought" had happened in the manner that KJ did....KJ described how Nona was "drug" to the front room and hit in the back of the head...with the blood found in the kitchen its plausible to think that Nona was "drug" from the kitchen to the living room...after all the lamp was in the corner of the room near the kitchen.. JJ never described the scene this way...JJ's initial call to the police indicated it was a "horrible accident."
TY also talked about visiting Hastings....where's that in your time line?
I would also remind you that KJ wrote his timeline for RPD the night of the murder and doesn't include the granny visit...


Was he asked to describe what he thought had happened? Or did he just offer that infomation?

[FDInLaw]

(JMO) We seem to be spinning ourselves around the same questions of the same person - in search of new rumors - when the questions can not even be answered about other suspects who were allegedly cleared by the RPD. To which, I'm sure, they were told to focus on suspect #1 just one week after the murder. Wow.
So, to be fair, all the questions that you ask about KJ - try asking those same questions about others like TY. Remember all of TY's questions were asked with his lawyer standing by. Unlike KJ, who was interrigated voluntarily without representation.

Here is my question - what exactly was TY's alibi?:
10:30am - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window starts
11:00am - Trey York finishes Exam
11:04am – "Call me, please" Text message, from Trey York, opened on Nona's cell phone (He claimed to be in his dorm room - packing)
11:10am - Jeremy Huggins time card begins at Bayou Bridge Cafe
11:15am - photo of a young couple of was downloaded on Nona's computer
11:30am – Norma Tate Jones sees Kevin Jones at family gas station
12:05pm - Kevin Jones called Jeremy Huggins
12:18pm – Kevin Jone's Food receipt for Bayou Bridge Cafe
12:58pm – "Nevermind" Text message, from Trey York, not opened on Nona's cell phone (He claims to be at Exxon station, near I40)
13:00pm - State Chief Medical Examiner's "Time of Death" window ends

Things to add to the timeline:

8:00am - (around)11:45am - an eyewitness places TY on campus
12:29pm - TY on security video at Hastings
(a little before) 1:00pm - LE has TY's gas receipt from Exxon North
(around) 4:00pm - LE has TY's gas receipts from Albert's gas station in Ashdown

There is NO physical evidence that ties Trey York to the crime scene. No prints were found on the oven door.

This is info available for the asking folks! Don't take my word for it. :seeya:

[ifIwereU]

Was he asked to describe what he thought had happened? Or did he just offer that infomation?

he was asked by Det Virden "what do you think happened?" and he said she was naked and that he didn't know if someone broke in and raped her. Virden asked him "what makes you think she was raped" and he said I don't know, and said her legs were together but he didn't know why she would be naked otherwise. Jones initiated the rape conversation. my recollection at the trial was that Virden had not been to the scene and did not know any details about it.

[CSOKC]

he was asked by Det Virden "what do you think happened?" and he said she was naked and that he didn't know if someone broke in and raped her. Virden asked him "what makes you think she was raped" and he said I don't know, and said her legs were together but he didn't know why she would be naked otherwise. Jones initiated the rape conversation. my recollection at the trial was that Virden had not been to the scene and did not know any details about it.
I wonder why they had Virden talk to KJ if he hadn't been to the scene and didn't know the details?

[ifIwereU]

I wonder why they had Virden talk to KJ if he hadn't been to the scene and didn't know the details?

:shrug:

to get a preliminary statement...
he was later interviewed by another detective who had been there

[hawgustusgloop]

Things to add to the timeline:

8:00am - (around)11:45am - an eyewitness places TY on campus
12:29pm - TY on security video at Hastings
(a little before) 1:00pm - LE has TY's gas receipt from Exxon North
(around) 4:00pm - LE has TY's gas receipts from Albert's gas station in Ashdown

There is NO physical evidence that ties Trey York to the crime scene. No prints were found on the oven door.

This is info available for the asking folks! Don't take my word for it. :seeya:

It sounds like the investigators checked him out pretty thoroughly. Thank you for the info.

[lorettalockhorn]

(JMO) We seem to be spinning ourselves around the same questions of the same person - in search of new rumors - when the questions can not even be answered about other suspects who were allegedly cleared by the RPD. To which, I'm sure, they were told to focus on suspect #1 just one week after the murder. Wow.
So, to be fair, all the questions that you ask about KJ - try asking those same questions about others like TY. Remember all of TY's questions were asked with his lawyer standing by. Unlike KJ, who was interrigated voluntarily without representation.

Wait! I wanna know who told RPD to focus on KJ.

I don't see why you folks continually rag on TY for being smart enough to have an attorney present. All KJ had to do was ask for an attorney to be present, for pity's sake. Or get up and walk out of the room. Who wipes this boy, anyway?

[lorettalockhorn]

he was asked by Det Virden "what do you think happened?" and he said she was naked and that he didn't know if someone broke in and raped her. Virden asked him "what makes you think she was raped" and he said I don't know, and said her legs were together but he didn't know why she would be naked otherwise. Jones initiated the rape conversation. my recollection at the trial was that Virden had not been to the scene and did not know any details about it.

So it could be construed that KJ volunteered the possibility of rape to further the reason for the condom wrapper to be at the scene.


I like that Virden had no firsthand knowledge of the crime scene; it makes his questioning seem less leading.

[LurkerNoMore]

So it could be construed that KJ volunteered the possibility of rape to further the reason for the condom wrapper to be at the scene.


I like that Virden had no firsthand knowledge of the crime scene; it makes his questioning seem less leading.

Except that Virden (or anyone else) couldn't get Kevin to crack, right?

[LurkerNoMore]

He probably should have been less cooperative, and then maybe we wouldn't have had all of those lies come out of his mouth.

If he lied all the way through his interviews, why didn't the prosecutor put up a board and list, one by one, Kevin's lies? That would have been mighty effective.

[oxfordwebster]

If he lied all the way through his interviews, why didn't the prosecutor put up a board and list, one by one, Kevin's lies? That would have been mighty effective.A lot of things would have been effective. I doubt you'll get any of us to say that we're happy with the prosecution.

[jeremiads]

This is probably long overdue, and not exactly the easiest thing to do, but I thought I'd pop on this thing finally and say hi.

I'm JM.

I thought it would be interesting to throw in another perspective on everything, so I'll stick around for a while and chat it up. I'll try to answer any questions.

Again, hello!

[lorettalockhorn]

This is probably long overdue, and not exactly the easiest thing to do, but I thought I'd pop on this thing finally and say hi.

I'm JM.

I thought it would be interesting to throw in another perspective on everything, so I'll stick around for a while and chat it up. I'll try to answer any questions.

Again, hello!

It is wholly a pleasure. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Except that Virden (or anyone else) couldn't get Kevin to crack, right?

Well, from what I've read about his behavior, I would say that he was cracked before talking to Virden (or anyone else); I would describe it as downright bizarre, at the scene and at the station during the first interview. Not to mention that he was supposedly incapacitated with grief, but somehow managed to get online at the pageant site. What an ASW. Oh, and his behavior at the funeral. Freakazoid.

[ifIwereU]

This is probably long overdue, and not exactly the easiest thing to do, but I thought I'd pop on this thing finally and say hi.

I'm JM.

I thought it would be interesting to throw in another perspective on everything, so I'll stick around for a while and chat it up. I'll try to answer any questions.

Again, hello!


WELCOME!!
my first question.....if you truly are JM......Are you "dark and shady?"
2nd question...did you kill Nona on dec 15 2005?

[ifIwereU]

Well, from what I've read about his behavior, I would say that he was cracked before talking to Virden (or anyone else); I would describe it as downright bizarre, at the scene and at the station during the first interview. Not to mention that he was supposedly incapacitated with grief, but somehow managed to get online at the pageant site. What an ASW. Oh, and his behavior at the funeral. Freakazoid.
Loretta, U R going to hurt someone's feelings..LMBO:D

[ifIwereU]

If he lied all the way through his interviews, why didn't the prosecutor put up a board and list, one by one, Kevin's lies? That would have been mighty effective.

I agree with you that Kevin told a list of lies and it was not presented well in court....

[ifIwereU]

Except that Virden (or anyone else) couldn't get Kevin to crack, right?


A narcissist would not have confessed...even if the PD had a video of the murder implicating him....
bottom line...IMO, Kevin was smarter than the people investigating him!

[FDInLaw]

WELCOME!!
my first question.....if you truly are JM......Are you "dark and shady?"
2nd question...did you kill Nona on dec 15 2005? You so funny! :biggrin:


WELCOME JEREMY! :seeya:

So, was that the lamest intro ever or what? You didn't tell us anything JM! We want the facts so spill'em! :hat: We love new info, so, what do you got??? :)

[jeremiads]

WELCOME!!
my first question.....if you truly are JM......Are you "dark and shady?"
2nd question...did you kill Nona on dec 15 2005?I'm actually pretty pale and it's hard to be shady when you're sitting under fluorescent lights all day.

And no, of course I didn't.

[jeremiads]

You so funny! :biggrin:


WELCOME JEREMY! :seeya:

So, was that the lamest intro ever or what? You didn't tell us anything JM! We want the facts so spill'em! :hat: We love new info, so, what do you got??? :)There's just so much I could talk about. I can tell you that people like this Lurker fellow have been so off on their information that it's just hilarious.

[LurkerNoMore]

There's just so much I could talk about. I can tell you that people like this Lurker fellow have been so off on their information that it's just hilarious.

Correct away. I'm listening.

[jeremiads]

Correct away. I'm listening.You've been throwing out vague accusations with no details behind them. I don't really have anything to correct, other than to point out that you and your fellow Kevin fans have been incredibly wrong on about every post I've seen on this forum.

You got my name right, at least. That should count for something. :)

[hawgustusgloop]

This is probably long overdue, and not exactly the easiest thing to do, but I thought I'd pop on this thing finally and say hi.

I'm JM.

I thought it would be interesting to throw in another perspective on everything, so I'll stick around for a while and chat it up. I'll try to answer any questions.

Again, hello!

Welcome, Jeremy! So glad you are joining us! I have one burning question: If it is true that CH told the police you were "weird," does that make you feel much better than if she had said you were normal? TIA.

[jonikay]

Howdy Jer! So nice to "see" you. Do you feel like the RPD investigated your whereabouts on that fateful day to the extent necessary? Did they "check" your alibi? Being that many are very "iffy" regarding the RPD's investigation, do you feel as though this was a "tunnel vision" case? Why weren't you called to the witness stand, or was that ever in the plan?

[jeremiads]

Welcome, Jeremy! So glad you are joining us! I have one burning question: If it is true that CH told the police you were "weird," does that make you feel much better than if she had said you were normal? TIA.Sheesh. I'll refrain on commenting on her character, but I will say this--I've only been around the girl once in my entire life, back in the tail end of December 2004. I was talking to Nona the entire time and not her. I've always been amused by the "weird" characterization I've heard, considering that.

[LurkerNoMore]

You've been throwing out vague accusations with no details behind them. I don't really have anything to correct, other than to point out that you and your fellow Kevin fans have been incredibly wrong on about every post I've seen on this forum.

You got my name right, at least. That should count for something. :)

Well, this is going to be interesting.

My focus on you has been one of a security issue. I've posted that I don't think you are the killer. But I have also made a big deal about your involvement with Nona demonstrating that she wasn't as focused on security as has been suggested. Am I wrong on this? Without going into details, can you say on a scale of 1-10 how security-minded Nona was, with 10 being extremely security-focused?

[jeremiads]

Howdy Jer! So nice to "see" you. Do you feel like the RPD investigated your whereabouts on that fateful day to the extent necessary? Did they "check" your alibi? Being that many are very "iffy" regarding the RPD's investigation, do you feel as though this was a "tunnel vision" case? Why weren't you called to the witness stand, or was that ever in the plan?I was approached pretty soon after the murder, and from day one of my involvement I cooperated, volunteering as much information as I could. Despite that, it was some of the most stressful times I've ever had in my life, as they were being incredibly thorough on nailing down where I was on December 15 and my history with Nona.

If they treated every other person like they did me, then I think the accusations about them having tunnel vision fall far short. Keep in mind that you didn't get to hear anything about these investigations, because it was never presented at the trial.

And why wasn't I called to the witness stand? I think it would have hurt the defense's case, but they sure as hell made it seem like they were going after me pretty viciously before the trial. I don't know how much I'm going to talk about the defense's tactics after the murder through before the trial, but I'm not afraid to say that I felt like they were being overzealous and bullyish towards me. Saying my name at the hearings to get my name in the paper at the last minute was a bit slimey, I imagine. I think they were trying to fish for information.

[jeremiads]

Well, this is going to be interesting.

My focus on you has been one of a security issue. I've posted that I don't think you are the killer. But I have also made a big deal about your involvement with Nona demonstrating that she wasn't as focused on security as has been suggested. Am I wrong on this? Without going into details, can you say on a scale of 1-10 how security-minded Nona was, with 10 being extremely security-focused?I've never seen my name referenced as any reason to believe that Nona was not as security conscious as the prosecution claimed she was.

But from my own personal experience, she was extremely conscious about it. All of the descriptions about her locking the doors, having to call to come in, etc. have been correct.

[hawgustusgloop]

What do you think you would have testified to that would have been detrimental to the defense's case? Why wouldn't they want you on the stand?

[hawgustusgloop]

Is there anything you would like to say about Nona as a person?

[jeremiads]

What do you think you would have testified to that would have been detrimental to the defense's case? Why wouldn't they want you on the stand?In a nutshell, all of the claims they were making about me were false, I have a strong alibi, and they would have looked pretty badly trying to pressure me on the stand. There are other reasons I don't want to get into right now. But another aspect is related to FD's post from a while back when Lurker asked about the e-mails. I don't belong in the same group of guys that the defense lumped TY and the others.

[jonikay]

I was approached pretty soon after the murder, and from day one of my involvement I cooperated, volunteering as much information as I could. Despite that, it was some of the most stressful times I've ever had in my life, as they were being incredibly thorough on nailing down where I was on December 15 and my history with Nona.

If they treated every other person like they did me, then I think the accusations about them having tunnel vision fall far short. Keep in mind that you didn't get to hear anything about these investigations, because it was never presented at the trial.

And why wasn't I called to the witness stand? I think it would have hurt the defense's case, but they sure as hell made it seem like they were going after me pretty viciously before the trial. I don't know how much I'm going to talk about the defense's tactics after the murder through before the trial, but I'm not afraid to say that I felt like they were being overzealous and bullyish towards me. Saying my name at the hearings to get my name in the paper at the last minute was a bit slimey, I imagine. I think they were trying to fish for information.
Thanks so much for your info and taking the opportunity on this site, if nowhere else, to clear your name. Do you plan on taking any other action to clear the air about you and Nona to the general public, being that the defense team was slanderous toward you in the Courier, at least?
Would the testimony have marred KJ's reputation that the jury was presented? It is obvious that they were very intent on keeping such testimony out of the courtroom.

[Manning]

This is probably long overdue, and not exactly the easiest thing to do, but I thought I'd pop on this thing finally and say hi.

I'm JM.

I thought it would be interesting to throw in another perspective on everything, so I'll stick around for a while and chat it up. I'll try to answer any questions.

Again, hello!

Welcome JM

[jeremiads]

Is there anything you would like to say about Nona as a person?I'm honestly not sure if the message entry box will accept as many characters as it would take.

The shortest way to put it is that if you didn't fall in love with this girl the instant you met her, then you probably didn't have a soul. She was one of the most beautiful, caring people I've ever known in my life. She she shouldn't have been taken from us.

[jeremiads]

Thanks so much for your info and taking the opportunity on this site, if nowhere else, to clear your name. Do you plan on taking any other action to clear the air about you and Nona to the general public, being that the defense team was slanderous toward you in the Courier, at least?Maybe. This is the most public I've ever said anything, but obviously I couldn't before because I couldn't exactly say anything thanks to the gag order. And while I've been frustrated at some of what went on, I think just going public with some things will be all the "revenge" I could need.

Would your testimony marred KJ's reputation that the jury was presented? It is obvious that they were very intent on keeping such testimony out of the courtroom.I only "met" Kevin once, the same time that I met Nona. I loosely use the word "met," because I was just introduced and then he went off into another room to play games on a computer, I think. I didn't see him the rest of the night. All I know about him is from what Nona told me about him and their relationship. I don't want to get into those details right now.

[jonikay]

So . . . were you under the impression that you and Nona were dating at the time of her murder?

[jeremiads]

So . . . were you under the impression that you and Nona were dating at the time of her murder?Absolutely not. Unlike what they tried to spread, my involvement with Nona was in the first half of 2005, not the latter half.

Out of respect for Nona, I'm not going to go into many details about it, but the characterizations that have been made about these other guys around the time of her death don't apply to me.

[hawgustusgloop]

Jeremy, do you have an opinion on who may have committed this crime?

[jeremiads]

Jeremy, do you have an opinion on who may have committed this crime?I share the opinion that most others I talk to seem to have.

Edit: I'll have some difficulty answering these kinds of questions, because obviously the person who killed Nona wasn't brought to justice. Going more public also makes it to where I don't know who's watching.

[hawgustusgloop]

Have you read anything specific on this board that you think is an outright lie? Are there any rumors you would like to confirm or deny?

[jeremiads]

Have you read anything specific on this board that you think is an outright lie? Are there any rumors you would like to confirm or deny?I would probably have to be asked about them specifically, because it's been so long that it's hard to keep track of it in my head. I do know that basically everything that's appeared on this forum that I've seen from Kevin supporters has been ludicrously off, though. Like I said, they got my name right, and that's about it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe. This is the most public I've ever said anything, but obviously I couldn't before because I couldn't exactly say anything thanks to the gag order. And while I've been frustrated at some of what went on, I think just going public with some things will be all the "revenge" I could need.

I hated seeing your name in print and could never figure out why the defense seemed to single you out. At any rate, there were plenty of defense witnesses who were never called. Do you think that maybe y'all were subpoenaed simply to gag you?

[jeremiads]

I hated seeing your name in print and could never figure out why the defense seemed to single you out. At any rate, there were plenty of defense witnesses who were never called. Do you think that maybe y'all were subpoenaed simply to gag you?I wouldn't be surprised if some people were, but it felt to me like they were pressuring me the entire time and hoping something stuck. I mean, they went as far to subpoena my girlfriend at the time, and she never knew Nona nor had anything to do with anything about the case. I always felt like a lot of things were done to put pressure on me, and I was upset enough about Nona being murdered that there's no way I could possibly crack to whatever they tried.

[hawgustusgloop]

I hated seeing your name in print and could never figure out why the defense seemed to single you out. At any rate, there were plenty of defense witnesses who were never called. Do you think that maybe y'all were subpoenaed simply to gag you?

It sure looks like it, doesn't it? Jeremy, are you glad you did not have to testify, or do you wish you would have possibly have had a chance to answer to the insinuations made by the defense?

[jeremiads]

Jeremy, are you glad you did not have to testify, or do you wish you would have possibly have had a chance to answer to the insinuations made by the defense?I waited every day during the trial, hoping for that phone call so I could finally take the stand. I didn't get that chance.

[Manning]

I waited every day during the trial, hoping for that phone call so I could finally take the stand. I didn't get that chance.

IMO, Lawyers are so good at controlling what can be said - and knowing how to prevent ALL the facts from coming out in a trial.
It makes me sick.:flamemad:

[Manning]

I hated seeing your name in print and could never figure out why the defense seemed to single you out. At any rate, there were plenty of defense witnesses who were never called. Do you think that maybe y'all were subpoenaed simply to gag you?

IMO, this was the whole point to 98% of the defense's witness list.

[hawgustusgloop]

IMO, this was the whole point to 98% of the defense's witness list.

I would still like to know if Brent Hunnicutt was a "jewelry store employee" at the time of Nona's murder, or if that was just a carefully worded billow of smoke blown by the defense.

[jeremiads]

I would still like to know if Brent Hunnicutt was a "jewelry store employee" at the time of Nona's murder, or if that was just a carefully worded billow of smoke blown by the defense.That one in particular always annoyed the hell out of me, because the thought of those two being seriously engaged even at the time I knew her wasn't even possible for me to imagine.

[Amy]

I wonder why they had Virden talk to KJ if he hadn't been to the scene and didn't know the details?


It would solve the problem of being accused of feeding KJ info. He couldn't "lead" KJ into describing the scene. IMO

[LurkerNoMore]

Can we at least all agree that it's probably not a good idea to stay up way past your bedtime reading crimelibrary.com message boards?

[FDInLaw]

Can we at least all agree that it's probably not a good idea to stay up way past your bedtime reading crimelibrary.com message boards?

Agreed. :biggrin:

Looks like I missed some serious chit chat last night!

[sweetgranny]

Agreed. :biggrin:

Looks like I missed some serious chit chat last night!


Isn't that the truth? I missed it too:eek:

[CSOKC]

Isn't that the truth? I missed it too:eek:
Me three, but I don't have any questions. I just wanted to say that I love the picture jeremy chose!

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, as irate as I have been at RPD's handling of the investigation, beginning with all those folks milling around the crime scene without gloves up to the lack of forensic testing, I am still happy with the outcome; that KJ was the one put on trial.

My disappointments mainly lie in the seemingly inattentive jury, the lazy prosecution, the fact that the jury wasn't polled, and the question about the juror who may have had ties to RW.

[sweetgranny]

You know, as irate as I have been at RPD's handling of the investigation, beginning with all those folks milling around the crime scene without gloves up to the lack of forensic testing, I am still happy with the outcome; that KJ was the one put on trial.

My disappointments mainly lie in the seemingly inattentive jury, the lazy prosecution, the fact that the jury wasn't polled, and the question about the juror who may have had ties to RW.

If it came out that a juror had ties to RW could that be a mistrial?:shrug:

[CSOKC]

If it came out that a juror had ties to RW could that be a mistrial?:shrug:
I would think that could only happen if the juror had ties to Kevin. But I really don't know, it might.

[lorettalockhorn]

If it came out that a juror had ties to RW could that be a mistrial?:shrug:

Don't think so. I think at this point that jury misconduct would have to be handled through the appeal process. Surely the State knows that there is the rumor circulating that the busy male nurse juror knew that his niece is close friends with Ryan Whiteside and called her to personally give her the verdict. Surely Gibbons has investigated. Maybe the niece was just blowing smoke up our asses when she posted that information elsewhere*.

*Correction, the niece didn't post the information that I read; it was posted apparently from an email or IM by a third party.

[ifIwereU]

I was approached pretty soon after the murder, and from day one of my involvement I cooperated, volunteering as much information as I could. Despite that, it was some of the most stressful times I've ever had in my life, as they were being incredibly thorough on nailing down where I was on December 15 and my history with Nona.

If they treated every other person like they did me, then I think the accusations about them having tunnel vision fall far short. Keep in mind that you didn't get to hear anything about these investigations, because it was never presented at the trial.

And why wasn't I called to the witness stand? I think it would have hurt the defense's case, but they sure as hell made it seem like they were going after me pretty viciously before the trial. I don't know how much I'm going to talk about the defense's tactics after the murder through before the trial, but I'm not afraid to say that I felt like they were being overzealous and bullyish towards me. Saying my name at the hearings to get my name in the paper at the last minute was a bit slimey, I imagine. I think they were trying to fish for information.

Did you take a polygraph? and if so...what particular questions were you asked...DID YOU PASS? Did you take more than one?

[jeremiads]

Did you take a polygraph? and if so...what particular questions were you asked...DID YOU PASS? Did you take more than one?I took one polygraph test and passed it. I don't remember all of the questions.

[sololobo]

You've been throwing out vague accusations with no details behind them. I don't really have anything to correct, other than to point out that you and your fellow Kevin fans have been incredibly wrong on about every post I've seen on this forum.

You got my name right, at least. That should count for something. :)

Welcome aboard, Jeremy:) Are you the same Jeremy Martin who wrote a letter to the editor several years ago concerning Higher Grounds coffee shop? If so, you changed this old codger's opinion on the matter:) "Don't blame the effect, but fix the cause." Excellent observation and well said.

In your above post, you have also thrown out a vague accusation with no details. No need to elaborate though, both Camp Kevin and Camp Dipert are guilty of this. There is bias on both sides so I will trust the decision of an un-biased jury until proven otherwise.

[jeremiads]

Welcome aboard, Jeremy:) Are you the same Jeremy Martin who wrote a letter to the editor several years ago concerning Higher Grounds coffee shop? If so, you changed this old codger's opinion on the matter:) "Don't blame the effect, but fix the cause." Excellent observation and well said.Yeah, that was me. Unfortunately Russellville hasn't changed a single bit since then, so the same problems remain.

In your above post, you have also thrown out a vague accusation with no details. No need to elaborate though, both Camp Kevin and Camp Dipert are guilty of this. There is bias on both sides so I will trust the decision of an un-biased jury until proven otherwise.Saying that they have been wrong about me isn't exactly a vague accusation, and if anybody is in a position to make this "accusation," it's me.

I do have to say, though, that if you are wanting to trust the decision of an un-biased jury, I don't think that jury has ever been involved. The jury that I read about definitely had their own bias.

[ifIwereU]

Yeah, that was me. Unfortunately Russellville hasn't changed a single bit since then, so the same problems remain.

Saying that they have been wrong about me isn't exactly a vague accusation, and if anybody is in a position to make this "accusation," it's me.

I do have to say, though, that if you are wanting to trust the decision of an un-biased jury, I don't think that jury has ever been involved. The jury that I read about definitely had their own bias.

very well said, Jeremy...

[ifIwereU]

Welcome aboard, Jeremy:) Are you the same Jeremy Martin who wrote a letter to the editor several years ago concerning Higher Grounds coffee shop? If so, you changed this old codger's opinion on the matter:) "Don't blame the effect, but fix the cause." Excellent observation and well said.

In your above post, you have also thrown out a vague accusation with no details. No need to elaborate though, both Camp Kevin and Camp Dipert are guilty of this. There is bias on both sides so I will trust the decision of an un-biased jury until proven otherwise.

Juries have been wrong before...countless times before.....the jury was guided by something other than evidence....the defense was able to put the evidence in the SPIN ZONE....its what I expected from a Franklin Co jury....IMO, the change of venue was a bad idea that ended with a Judge who has made classic bad decisions....I believe 11 people were called to testify during the change of venue hearing because of the publicity....yet all 11 stated they had not made up there up their mind as to guilt or innocence....so what's this about bad publicity....guess I'm beating a dead a horse, .......but as with the OJ case...money can buy a verdict......

[Manning]

Juries have been wrong before...countless times before.....the jury was guided by something other than evidence....the defense was able to put the evidence in the SPIN ZONE....its what I expected from a Franklin Co jury....IMO, the change of venue was a bad idea that ended with a Judge who has made classic bad decisions....I believe 11 people were called to testify during the change of venue hearing because of the publicity....yet all 11 stated they had not made up there up their mind as to guilt or innocence....so what's this about bad publicity....guess I'm beating a dead a horse, .......but as with the OJ case...money can buy a verdict......

ITA - ITA - ITA

[sololobo]

Juries have been wrong before...countless times before.....the jury was guided by something other than evidence....the defense was able to put the evidence in the SPIN ZONE....its what I expected from a Franklin Co jury....IMO, the change of venue was a bad idea that ended with a Judge who has made classic bad decisions....I believe 11 people were called to testify during the change of venue hearing because of the publicity....yet all 11 stated they had not made up there up their mind as to guilt or innocence....so what's this about bad publicity....guess I'm beating a dead a horse, .......but as with the OJ case...money can buy a verdict......


The prosecution could not prove a motive, could not disprove Kevin's alibi of being at home alone, nor could they prove when the tacky, bloody print was left on the bulb. The jury rendered a sound verdict, the same as an unbiased jury would have delivered in Pope county.

In our judicial system, money is far more likely to "buy" justice than a verdict.

[ifIwereU]

The prosecution could not prove a motive, could not disprove Kevin's alibi of being at home alone, nor could they prove when the tacky, bloody print was left on the bulb. The jury rendered a sound verdict, the same as an unbiased jury would have delivered in Pope county.

In our judicial system, money is far more likely to "buy" justice than a verdict.

:eek: oh my goodness...and this whole time I thought OJ was guilty....I guess he bought justice too....

IMO it boils down to presentation and the defense won hands down....doesn't mean I have to agree with it

[jeremiads]

I think everybody became really shy. :shrug:

[CSOKC]

I think everybody became really shy. :shrug:
I'm here. We just need a topic.

[FDInLaw]

I think everybody became really shy. :shrug:

I'm here. We just need a topic. Here. :cool:

[ifIwereU]

I have seen very little information on here about other tenants at the complex that may or may not have been eliminated....does anyone have an opinion or information regarding that. It seems that someone in the complex could have coveted Nona on a daily basis...

[ifIwereU]

to JM....did Nona ever express to you that KJ knew about you? There is speculation on here that KJ might have learned of your relationship with Nona thru the email or IM chats in which he saved (intentional or not, who knows) on his computer.....do you think he had prior knowledge of the relationship?

[jeremiads]

to JM....did Nona ever express to you that KJ knew about you? There is speculation on here that KJ might have learned of your relationship with Nona thru the email or IM chats in which he saved (intentional or not, who knows) on his computer.....do you think he had prior knowledge of the relationship?He probably knew as early as January 2005, and it's not through any sort of subterfuge. His friend CH knew, and I won't believe for a second that she didn't run off and tell him until after the murder like I've heard claimed.

[Dejasade]

hey, jm...who are you anyways..and how are you related to the case?
( I am just beginning to become familiar with the case...)

[FDInLaw]

hey, jm...who are you anyways..and how are you related to the case?
( I am just beginning to become familiar with the case...)

WELCOME! :seeya:


Jeremy had a relationship with the murder victim in this case. Contrary to the notion of "tunnel vision" (whereby poor Kevin Jones was "victimized"). . . quite a number of suspects were considered and investigated early on. JM is just one of a number of original suspects that were ruled out.

[Dejasade]

WELCOME! :seeya:


Jeremy had a relationship with the murder victim in this case. Contrary to the notion of "tunnel vision" (whereby poor Kevin Jones was "victimized"). . . quite a number of suspects were considered and investigated early on. JM is just one of a number of original suspects that were ruled out.

oh, I see. Well thank you for the clarification.
..."poor Kevin Jones was victimized"...how so? Do you really think he's innocent...or was the sarcasm?

I still reading up on the case and I have no decision yet ;)

[FDInLaw]

oh, I see. Well thank you for the clarification.
..."poor Kevin Jones was victimized"...how so? Do you really think he's innocent...or was the sarcasm?

I still reading up on the case and I have no decision yet ;)If you are in fact new and in the process of reading this thread, I'm sure you'll find the answer to your question. :biggrin:

Feel free to post any questions you have. :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

oh, I see. Well thank you for the clarification.
..."poor Kevin Jones was victimized"...how so? Do you really think he's innocent...or was the sarcasm?

I still reading up on the case and I have no decision yet ;)

Welcome! This is quite a lengthy thread to read up on! May I ask what brought you to post in Nona's forum out of all the other interesting topics on the CL message boards?

[CSOKC]

I have seen very little information on here about other tenants at the complex that may or may not have been eliminated....does anyone have an opinion or information regarding that. It seems that someone in the complex could have coveted Nona on a daily basis...
I haven't really wondered about the tenants being suspects, but I have wondered about if they heard anything. I know that I've read where some of them testified to seeing things, but what about hearing something? You would think that someone would hear something. Right?

[hawgustusgloop]

I haven't really wondered about the tenants being suspects, but I have wondered about if they heard anything. I know that I've read where some of them testified to seeing things, but what about hearing something? You would think that someone would hear something. Right?

It sure seems like it. I don't know how the apartments were arranged or if there were actually tenants in the nearest apartments around the time of the murder, but maybe someone else here does. Then again, sadly, it doesn't seem like Nona was able to mount much of a defense against her attacker. So maybe there wasn't the level of screaming, breaking things, etc. you might expect during such an attack.

[FDInLaw]

It sure seems like it. I don't know how the apartments were arranged or if there were actually tenants in the nearest apartments around the time of the murder, but maybe someone else here does. Then again, sadly, it doesn't seem like Nona was able to mount much of a defense against her attacker. So maybe there wasn't the level of screaming, breaking things, etc. you might expect during such an attack.
I've often wondered if Nona realized that she was in a life and death situation. IMO she knew her attacker and didn't know he was going to kill her.

[CSOKC]

I've often wondered if Nona realized that she was in a life and death situation. IMO she knew her attacker and didn't know he was going to kill her.
She might not have, but unless she was used to being hit by KJ then you would think that she would have screamed or something. Has anyone ever heard if he was violent or not? For some reason I thought I heard a rumor around town that he was. But that was just a rumor, so I didnt know if it was true or not.

[Dejasade]

Welcome! This is quite a lengthy thread to read up on! May I ask what brought you to post in Nona's forum out of all the other interesting topics on the CL message boards?


....basically...I haven't had much to do at work and I stumbled upon the CL message boards (dont know how) and this was one of the first posts I clicked on. The case seems quite interesting. From what I have been reading, it seems to be that, although there may be no motive, that KJ is the culprit...IMO.

[CSOKC]

....basically...I haven't had much to do at work and I stumbled upon the CL message boards (dont know how) and this was one of the first posts I clicked on. The case seems quite interesting. From what I have been reading, it seems to be that, although there may be no motive, that KJ is the culprit...IMO.
What gives you the impression that he had no motive?

[Dejasade]

It sounded like they had a pretty decent relationship...no abuse or anything. Although he may have cheated on her a few times (?) that really is no motive for murder.
I didn't read anywhere that he had a temper or anything..
I really don't see any motive.

...is there one that I am missing. I haven't read the entire case.

[hawgustusgloop]

It sounded like they had a pretty decent relationship
According to him, I suppose.

...no abuse or anything.
There are those pesky rumors....

Although he may have cheated on her a few times (?) that really is no motive for murder.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he was so angry at Nona because HE cheated on HER that he killed her in an anger-filled rage.

I didn't read anywhere that he had a temper or anything..
Not exactly something you would read in the paper....but I guess there is this:


I know that Kevin had a temper when he was younger. I have seen it when he was 12 he would get mad playing baseball when he made an error. Not just throwing his glove or bat down but he would hit the dug out wall. I never really heard or saw anything as he grew older. But sometimes drugs can make you do things you wouldn't normally do.


I really don't see any motive.
...is there one that I am missing. I haven't read the entire case.


I suggest you keep reading.

[CSOKC]

It sounded like they had a pretty decent relationship...no abuse or anything. Although he may have cheated on her a few times (?) that really is no motive for murder.
I didn't read anywhere that he had a temper or anything..
I really don't see any motive.

...is there one that I am missing. I haven't read the entire case.
Well, I used to live in Russellville and I actually did hear a rumor about abuse. And while him cheating on her may not have been motive, the fact that he almost certainly knew about her having "other guys" I think would be considered a motive. Especially, in my opinion, since he was jealous enough to keep tabs on who she was emailing by setting up his computer to track it.

[FDInLaw]

"Prosecutors also told jurors today that they will see a videotape deposition of Jones. There is a portion where he's heard saying "Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. Screw the **expletive**, she didn't mean any bad, please for Christ sake, I'm so sorry." That portion of the tape is evidently hard to hear. It was sent to technicians in New York to be enhanced. The defense was trying to supress it, questioning that that's what he really said. "

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=57536

The "**expletive**" is F***ing. This is a stunning admission IMO. One, Kevin knew about her other relationships and two, what was he sorry for? Statistically most women are murdered by their significant other. . . anger and/or jealousy is often the motive. I believe this was the case here as well. There was no sign of forced entry, nor of sexual assault. Rape was not the motive. A robbery did not occur. The FACT the Kevin lied about the nature of his relationship with Nona causes me to believe that he was trying to cover up his motive. JMO

[ifIwereU]

"Prosecutors also told jurors today that they will see a videotape deposition of Jones. There is a portion where he's heard saying "Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. Screw the **expletive**, she didn't mean any bad, please for Christ sake, I'm so sorry." That portion of the tape is evidently hard to hear. It was sent to technicians in New York to be enhanced. The defense was trying to supress it, questioning that that's what he really said. "

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=57536

The "**expletive**" is F***ing. This is a stunning admission IMO. One, Kevin knew about her other relationships and two, what was he sorry for? Statistically most women are murdered by their significant other. . . anger and/or jealousy is often the motive. I believe this was the case here as well. There was no sign of forced entry, nor of sexual assault. Rape was not the motive. A robbery did not occur. The FACT the Kevin lied about the nature of his relationship with Nona causes me to believe that he was trying to cover up his motive. JMO

I agree 100%
why would he feel the need to apologize.....would hearing KJ say "I'm so Sorry" have pursueded any of the jurors....I would think so.....they would have aleast wanted to hear an explaination for the comment....unless they were too tied up trying to figure out who Jared was......

OT....looks like Scott Peterson may get a new trial because of Jurors trying to investigate....

[nobody]

Sorry, for not calling you back sooner...
Sorry, I wasn't there...
Sorry, for not just staying the night...

You just don't know...

[CSOKC]

Sorry, for not calling you back sooner...
Sorry, I wasn't there...
Sorry, for not just staying the night...

You just don't know...
Umm, maybe if you didn't see the rest of the statement you might think that. But I don't think any of those fit in with the context of the rest of the statement.

[FDInLaw]

Umm, maybe if you didn't see the rest of the statement you might think that. But I don't think any of those fit in with the context of the rest of the statement.

At first glance I thought Nobody's post was pretty strange too. I does fit our conversation though. In regard to the "I'm sorry" statement Kevin made, Nobody is just suggesting that it could have meant any number of things:

I'm sorry I killed her.
I'm sorry I was not there to help her.
I'm sorry she was killed.
etc.

A good point IMO. The portion that made my eyebrows raise is not the possible apology but the admission of knowledge about Nona's other relationships. Remember, this is the night of the murder. Kevin had not spoke with anyone yet. Supposedly, CH told Kevin about JM after the murder, but to be quite frank I don't believe this for one second. As it is, I can't prove it, but I'm convinced Kevin knew. This is a pretty strong motive folks. JMO

[CSOKC]

At first glance I thought Nobody's post was pretty strange too. I does fit our conversation though. In regard to the "I'm sorry" statement Kevin made, Nobody is just suggesting that it could have meant any number of things:

I'm sorry I killed her.
I'm sorry I was not there to help her.
I'm sorry she was killed.
etc.

A good point IMO. The portion that made my eyebrows raise is not the possible apology but the admission of knowledge about Nona's other relationships. Remember, this is the night of the murder. Kevin had not spoke with anyone yet. Supposedly, CH told Kevin about JM after the murder, but to be quite frank I don't believe this for one second. As it is, I can't prove it, but I'm convinced Kevin knew. This is a pretty strong motive folks. JMO
Yeah, I guess that does make sense that it could have meant a lot of things. I doubt we'll ever know what he thought he was saying sorry for.

[sweetgranny]

At first glance I thought Nobody's post was pretty strange too. I does fit our conversation though. In regard to the "I'm sorry" statement Kevin made, Nobody is just suggesting that it could have meant any number of things:

I'm sorry I killed her.
I'm sorry I was not there to help her.
I'm sorry she was killed.
etc.

A good point IMO. The portion that made my eyebrows raise is not the possible apology but the admission of knowledge about Nona's other relationships. Remember, this is the night of the murder. Kevin had not spoke with anyone yet. Supposedly, CH told Kevin about JM after the murder, but to be quite frank I don't believe this for one second. As it is, I can't prove it, but I'm convinced Kevin knew. This is a pretty strong motive folks. JMO

In my mind I always felt that KJ was saying he knew about the relationships. and now he is sorry that he "lost it" and killed her. I realize that is only my interpretation of it but that was my thought from the start and am I correct that the jury didn't get to hear the "enhanced version" because it still was difficult to undertand?:shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

At first glance I thought Nobody's post was pretty strange too. I does fit our conversation though. In regard to the "I'm sorry" statement Kevin made, Nobody is just suggesting that it could have meant any number of things:

I'm sorry I killed her.
I'm sorry I was not there to help her.
I'm sorry she was killed.
etc.

A good point IMO. The portion that made my eyebrows raise is not the possible apology but the admission of knowledge about Nona's other relationships. Remember, this is the night of the murder. Kevin had not spoke with anyone yet. Supposedly, CH told Kevin about JM after the murder, but to be quite frank I don't believe this for one second. As it is, I can't prove it, but I'm convinced Kevin knew. This is a pretty strong motive folks. JMO

Thank you for clearing that up! It makes a lot more sense that way.

I would like to know more about the computer that the "stalking software" was supposedly installed on. Specifically, I would like to know when Kevin had access to it. Was the late night/early morning before the murder his first good opportunity to access the emails since he had arrived in town?

Also, I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that he would not have been able to nail down an almost exact time of when he first tried to call Nona that day. His every second seems to have been accounted for after he IMO got back to Dover that morning. He may not have known the exact time, but he would certainly remember what he was doing or about to do when he made the call. For example, he would have thought, I called her on my way to work, as soon as the bathtub guys left, right after I left the bank, when I was waiting for JH to get off work, etc. Also, if he was truly worried, he would have thought after subsequent attempts to reach her, "Gee I've been trying to call her for the last TWO HOURS and she hasn't answered." "Wow, it's been FOUR HOURS...I'm starting to get really worried." He wouldn't have mistakenly said he tried to call her around noon if it was really after 2 p.m.

[CSOKC]

Thank you for clearing that up! It makes a lot more sense that way.

I would like to know more about the computer that the "stalking software" was supposedly installed on. Specifically, I would like to know when Kevin had access to it. Was the late night/early morning before the murder his first good opportunity to access the emails since he had arrived in town?

Also, I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that he would not have been able to nail down an almost exact time of when he first tried to call Nona that day. His every second seems to have been accounted for after he IMO got back to Dover that morning. He may not have known the exact time, but he would certainly remember what he was doing or about to do when he made the call. For example, he would have thought, I called her on my way to work, as soon as the bathtub guys left, right after I left the bank, when I was waiting for JH to get off work, etc. Also, if he was truly worried, he would have thought after subsequent attempts to reach her, "Gee I've been trying to call her for the last TWO HOURS and she hasn't answered." "Wow, it's been FOUR HOURS...I'm starting to get really worried." He wouldn't have mistakenly said he tried to call her around noon if it was really after 2 p.m.
I think that's a really good point hawg.

I was in Russellville this weekend and I heard that Kevin just did an interview with Larry King. He supposedly got paid a lot of money to do it, and bought himself a Denali. I wondered about this because I know it was a rumor that Grandma Jones bought him a vehicle. But him buying himself a Denali is also a rumor, so I wasnt sure if anyone could clear that up as to which one is actually true or if both are false.

[sweetgranny]

I think that's a really good point hawg.

I was in Russellville this weekend and I heard that Kevin just did an interview with Larry King. He supposedly got paid a lot of money to do it, and bought himself a Denali. I wondered about this because I know it was a rumor that Grandma Jones bought him a vehicle. But him buying himself a Denali is also a rumor, so I wasnt sure if anyone could clear that up as to which one is actually true or if both are false.

Does anyone know when (or if) the Larry King show will air. I heard that something (now Ihave forgotten what shows ) were to air in December of this year and "early next year".

[CSOKC]

Does anyone know when (or if) the Larry King show will air. I heard that something (now Ihave forgotten what shows ) were to air in December of this year and "early next year".
I believe they said it would be soon, but I'm not sure what "soon" means. I'm going to try to look it up somewhere on the internet later and if I find anything I'll let you know.

[FDInLaw]

I think that's a really good point hawg.

I was in Russellville this weekend and I heard that Kevin just did an interview with Larry King. He supposedly got paid a lot of money to do it, and bought himself a Denali. I wondered about this because I know it was a rumor that Grandma Jones bought him a vehicle. But him buying himself a Denali is also a rumor, so I wasnt sure if anyone could clear that up as to which one is actually true or if both are false.
I haven't heard about any of this. I'll ask around. Thanks for posting it! :hat:

[CSOKC]

I just looked at the Larry King page on cnn.com and they don't have Kevin listed under the upcoming guests. But I'm not sure how far that goes. So maybe this was false? Or he could just not be coming up soon enough to be listed.

[hawgustusgloop]

Does anyone know when (or if) the Larry King show will air. I heard that something (now Ihave forgotten what shows ) were to air in December of this year and "early next year".

I have heard that Dateline and 48 Hours were doing shows on the case, and I think that is when those are supposed to air.

[sololobo]

I think that's a really good point hawg.

I was in Russellville this weekend and I heard that Kevin just did an interview with Larry King. He supposedly got paid a lot of money to do it, and bought himself a Denali. I wondered about this because I know it was a rumor that Grandma Jones bought him a vehicle. But him buying himself a Denali is also a rumor, so I wasnt sure if anyone could clear that up as to which one is actually true or if both are false.


Isn't "Larry King Live" broadcast live....with viewers calling in questions?

[CSOKC]

Isn't "Larry King Live" broadcast live....with viewers calling in questions?
Hmm, I hadn't thought about that. You're right though. So I guess this rumor can safely be called false.

[FDInLaw]

Isn't "Larry King Live" broadcast live....with viewers calling in questions?

Good point. IMO the Denali story is a bit far fetched and I doubt there is any truth to it. . . but then, I've heard a lot of crazy rumors lately. :cool: It would be nice if we could come to the bottom of this. If it is just a rumor, who would start it and why???

[CSOKC]

Good point. IMO the Denali story is a bit far fetched and I doubt there is any truth to it. . . but then, I've heard a lot of crazy rumors lately. :cool: It would be nice if we could come to the bottom of this. If it is just a rumor, who would start it and why???
It's amazing how many rumors I heard just going to Russellville for the weekend. The only bright side of this is that you know that Nona is still on everyone's mind.

[hawgustusgloop]

Good point. IMO the Denali story is a bit far fetched and I doubt there is any truth to it. . . but then, I've heard a lot of crazy rumors lately. :cool: It would be nice if we could come to the bottom of this. If it is just a rumor, who would start it and why???
Excellent question. I would like to know that, too.


Maybe it's just more spin!

Random citizen: "People are saying your pal Kevin's family is really in DENIAL about him."

K.Jo Krony: "Oh, you just heard it wrong. They said his family was riding in his new DENALI."

[ifIwereU]

In my mind I always felt that KJ was saying he knew about the relationships. and now he is sorry that he "lost it" and killed her. I realize that is only my interpretation of it but that was my thought from the start and am I correct that the jury didn't get to hear the "enhanced version" because it still was difficult to undertand?:shrug:

You heard right, Judge wouldn't allow it because he said he couldn't hear it!! kept the jury from hearing it and deciding for themselves what was said on the enhanced version.

[lorettalockhorn]

Excellent question. I would like to know that, too.


Maybe it's just more spin!

Random citizen: "People are saying your pal Kevin's family is really in DENIAL about him."

K.Jo Krony: "Oh, you just heard it wrong. They said his family was riding in his new DENALI."

hehehe You know I love anagrams!!

Let's see. I guess the only rumor that I can remember that I've heard lately, is that KJ was stopped by LE in Dover and threw a hissy fit. But dad was apparently able to smooth things over. Guess there might be a report at Dover City Hall or wherever the PD is.

Besides Larry King being a live show, I cannot imagine why he would be interested in Kevin and not the other parties to the case, especially now.

[Amy]

hehehe You know I love anagrams!!

Let's see. I guess the only rumor that I can remember that I've heard lately, is that KJ was stopped by LE in Dover and threw a hissy fit. But dad was apparently able to smooth things over. Guess there might be a report at Dover City Hall or wherever the PD is.

Besides Larry King being a live show, I cannot imagine why he would be interested in Kevin and not the other parties to the case, especially now.

I suppose that now, whenever he is stopped for speeding or anything, he can holler that they are just out to get him because of who he is-and not have to admit to speeding or getting fined.

[lorettalockhorn]

This was prior to the murder; that he was verbally abusive to Officer Evans.

[FDInLaw]

I suppose that now, whenever he is stopped for speeding or anything, he can holler that they are just out to get him because of who he is-and not have to admit to speeding or getting fined.

The "poor" kid should just have victim tattooed on his forehead lol! :rolleyes:

Nona will never get a speeding ticket. :flamemad:

[hawgustusgloop]

This was prior to the murder; that he was verbally abusive to Officer Evans.

Wow. You have to be ridiculously stupid, have a REALLY bad temper, possess some kind of twisted sense of entitlement, or some combination of the three to be verbally abusive to an officer during a traffic stop.

[Amy]

Wow. You have to be ridiculously stupid, have a REALLY bad temper, possess some kind of twisted sense of entitlement, or some combination of the three to be verbally abusive to an officer during a traffic stop.

Or under the influence of something, which incorporates ridiculously stupid. IMO

[CSOKC]

Even though I believe that they have already tried the correct person for this murder, I wonder if anyone is still actually looking into this case? Are they going to go back and look into things that they might have missed before? I know they said they would keep the file open for a short time, but are they doing anything?

[ifIwereU]

Even though I believe that they have already tried the correct person for this murder, I wonder if anyone is still actually looking into this case? Are they going to go back and look into things that they might have missed before? I know they said they would keep the file open for a short time, but are they doing anything?

IMO, the purpose of any police investigation is to find the truth of what actually occurred and to bring chrages against those responsible. It seems that if someone else were developed as a suspect there would always be the hurdle of KJ prints on the murder weapon....which for any jury would be grounds for reasonable doubt (should someone else get charged). Unless of course there were a confession and corroborating evidence to the confession were obtained. Sort of that, I think the odds of someone else being charged is unlikely...JMO that doesn't mean that the truth still can't be found....

[Amy]

IMO, the purpose of any police investigation is to find the truth of what actually occurred and to bring chrages against those responsible. It seems that if someone else were developed as a suspect there would always be the hurdle of KJ prints on the murder weapon....which for any jury would be grounds for reasonable doubt (should someone else get charged). Unless of course there were a confession and corroborating evidence to the confession were obtained. Sort of that, I think the odds of someone else being charged is unlikely...JMO that doesn't mean that the truth still can't be found....

There have been cases where the accused was aquited of the crime, and when asked about further investigations, prosecution have said the case was closed, as they had tried the perp, but did not prove their case to the jury. Since they knew who HAD committed the crime, there would be no further investigation. I don't know how often this has happened, but I have seen a couple of programs where it did.

[ifIwereU]

There have been cases where the accused was aquited of the crime, and when asked about further investigations, prosecution have said the case was closed, as they had tried the perp, but did not prove their case to the jury. Since they knew who HAD committed the crime, there would be no further investigation. I don't know how often this has happened, but I have seen a couple of programs where it did.

I guess it boils down to those investigating and if they have the support of their superiors to continue the investigation. Det Frost may feel that the right person was tried and may have done as thorough of an investigation (in his opinion) that could possibly be done. if his boss is not in favor of a continued investigation then he would probably do as he is told and move on. Det Frost strikes me as the type of guy that would still like to help the family get closure. I'm sure he took some of the cross-exam personal and therefore might feel the need to continue with the investigation, as long as those in charge as fine with it, knowing that at some point an FOI would be honored by his department. all speculation on my part...but that's how I see it. If the KJ defense team had critical evidence & information hopefully they, at some point, provided the info to the RPD or other agencies for further investigation. There has been no solid indication that that has happened. does anyone have any info on that?

[CSOKC]

I guess it boils down to those investigating and if they have the support of their superiors to continue the investigation. Det Frost may feel that the right person was tried and may have done as thorough of an investigation (in his opinion) that could possibly be done. if his boss is not in favor of a continued investigation then he would probably do as he is told and move on. Det Frost strikes me as the type of guy that would still like to help the family get closure. I'm sure he took some of the cross-exam personal and therefore might feel the need to continue with the investigation, as long as those in charge as fine with it, knowing that at some point an FOI would be honored by his department. all speculation on my part...but that's how I see it. If the KJ defense team had critical evidence & information hopefully they, at some point, provided the info to the RPD or other agencies for further investigation. There has been no solid indication that that has happened. does anyone have any info on that?
I didn't even think about his boss telling him to move on or anything. I guess in their eyes continuing the investigation might be a waste of time/money since they already tried the person responsible. It's just really sad to think that unless KJ confesses, or by a small chance someone else does, nobody will ever be convicted for Nona's murder.

I'd like to see Jeremy's opinion on this. What do you think will happen? Do you think anyone will ever feel guilty enough to confess?

[jeremiads]

I'd like to see Jeremy's opinion on this. What do you think will happen? Do you think anyone will ever feel guilty enough to confess?From what I've seen, I don't think the person responsible has any idea what guilt actually is--just self-preservation. Maybe years down the road he'll slip up and say something to the wrong person about it.

[CSOKC]

From what I've seen, I don't think the person responsible has any idea what guilt actually is--just self-preservation. Maybe years down the road he'll slip up and say something to the wrong person about it.
Who, if anyone, do you think he has already told? I have a feeling that at least his parents and grandmother know, but they might not. I just don't see how they wouldn't know.

[ifIwereU]

Who, if anyone, do you think he has already told? I have a feeling that at least his parents and grandmother know, but they might not. I just don't see how they wouldn't know.
no one wants to believe their child is capable....so there is probably (obviously) a lot of denial going on amoung KJ's family and friends. Scott Peterson's family didn't think he did it either. also what does that say about you as parent if your child is accussed of murder. That's something no parent would swallow very easily.

[hawgustusgloop]

Who, if anyone, do you think he has already told? I have a feeling that at least his parents and grandmother know, but they might not. I just don't see how they wouldn't know.

WILD SPECULATION ALERT!

I think Kevin's mom KNOWS. I think she at least on some level knew as soon as they got to the apartment and saw Nona's body. I choose to believe the post that says Kevin only tried to call Duane right before he and Mommy got to Nona's apartment, and ONLY AT HIS MOTHER'S URGING. I think she would have been sensitive to and confused by the fact that he seemed hesitant to ask Nona's parents if they'd heard from her if he was indeed as worried as it seemed. I also think she immediately and instinctively went into Cover Kevin's Hind End mode.....like when she characterized the obviously brutal murder as a "terrible accident."

[ifIwereU]

WILD SPECULATION ALERT!

I think Kevin's mom KNOWS. I think she at least on some level knew as soon as they got to the apartment and saw Nona's body. I choose to believe the post that says Kevin only tried to call Duane right before he and Mommy got to Nona's apartment, and ONLY AT HIS MOTHER'S URGING. I think she would have been sensitive to and confused by the fact that he seemed hesitant to ask Nona's parents if they'd heard from her if he was indeed as worried as it seemed. I also think she immediately and instinctively went into Cover Kevin's Hind End mode.....like when she characterized the obviously brutal murder as a "terrible accident."

I totally agree Hawg...I also think that her behavior in the near future will indicate this....she will have a hard time living with knowing the truth and all the facts. It could come in the form of a nervous breakdown, depression, or a dependancy of some sort. KJ will just move on like it was nothing...but his mother will find moving on more difficult....JMO

[CSOKC]

WILD SPECULATION ALERT!

I think Kevin's mom KNOWS. I think she at least on some level knew as soon as they got to the apartment and saw Nona's body. I choose to believe the post that says Kevin only tried to call Duane right before he and Mommy got to Nona's apartment, and ONLY AT HIS MOTHER'S URGING. I think she would have been sensitive to and confused by the fact that he seemed hesitant to ask Nona's parents if they'd heard from her if he was indeed as worried as it seemed. I also think she immediately and instinctively went into Cover Kevin's Hind End mode.....like when she characterized the obviously brutal murder as a "terrible accident."
Where was the post about Kevin calling Duane? I seem to remember reading that, but it was in a newspaper or something I think. I must have missed it on here. I completely agree with your reason why you think his mother knows. That should have been one of the first things he did if he was really that worried.

[hawgustusgloop]

Where was the post about Kevin calling Duane? I seem to remember reading that, but it was in a newspaper or something I think. I must have missed it on here. I completely agree with your reason why you think his mother knows. That should have been one of the first things he did if he was really that worried.

I read something about it in an article, too, but it never specified exactly when he tried to call DD. I just assumed it was sometime earlier in the afternoon......until the topic came up again here.

This was it....
it was my understanding at the trial that KJ only called DD at his mother's urging while enroute to the school function....

and then....
I wish we knew for sure what time the call was made.

and finally....

(6:25 p.m. ;) )

There are more posts on this subject, too. They can all be found starting on page 186 of this thread.

[CSOKC]

I read something about it in an article, too, but it never specified exactly when he tried to call DD. I just assumed it was sometime earlier in the afternoon......until the topic came up again here.

This was it....


and then....


and finally....



There are more posts on this subject, too. They can all be found starting on page 186 of this thread.
Thank you. I know this has already been said, but 6:25? He really would have been in the parking lot or something. The only credit I could have given him is if he would have asked Duane to go ahead and start coming to Nona's apartment with the key while he tried to knock, but then he happened to see her through the blinds. I haven't seen anything to suggest that he asked Duane to do so though...

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree with y'all who think that JJ and grandmother know. Not so sure about dad. Wasn't he out of town? So he probably didn't observe KJ's early actions and reactions.

I cannot believe that when Kevin did finally call the Dipert's home, that he didn't indicate that he was so worried about Nona that he was going to break in. Then again, if DD had offered to come with the key, he probably would have seen through the song and dance about the "terrible accident" and probably would have had enough sense to turn on the lights and keep Kevin off Nona's body. In other words, Duane is probably the last person that KJ wanted around for his performance.

[CSOKC]

What was the significance of the greeting card? I know I've read that it was from Nona's mother, but I can't remember why it was near the body. Is that what they used to get the address? Wouldn't Kevin have known the address?

[lorettalockhorn]

There has been some talk that there were two greeting cards and that one was found near the body. Not sure why Kevin didn't know the address and there has been much discussion about how even if the exact address wasn't known, that someone could have met the ambulance to wave them in. In fact, someone posted that RW did just that. Back to the card; Nona's address would have been on the envelope, not the card itself. Wouldn't it? Cannot remember if there was blood on the card, if it was Nona's, KJ's, blood spatter, or what.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous that 911 would have been so insistent that those hysterical idiots go digging through the apartment looking for an address; that would just lead to more contamination of the scene. But it was reported here that that was the case. Then again, the operator asked KJ to stay on the line and he didn't. So it's hard to know which of his behaviors was compliance.

[CSOKC]

There has been some talk that there were two greeting cards and that one was found near the body. Not sure why Kevin didn't know the address and there has been much discussion about how even if the exact address wasn't known, that someone could have met the ambulance to wave them in. In fact, someone posted that RW did just that. Back to the card; Nona's address would have been on the envelope, not the card itself. Wouldn't it? Cannot remember if there was blood on the card, if it was Nona's, KJ's, blood spatter, or what.

Personally, I think it's ridiculous that 911 would have been so insistent that those hysterical idiots go digging through the apartment looking for an address; that would just lead to more contamination of the scene. But it was reported here that that was the case. Then again, the operator asked KJ to stay on the line and he didn't. So it's hard to know which of his behaviors was compliance.
Who was the second card supposed to have been from?

[lorettalockhorn]

Not sure if it was ever posted or verified that there was a second card. And I don't think that we know if Nona was holding the card (that did exist) and dropped it during the attack, or if it was picked up and dropped by Kevin during the search for her address, or exactly what. I believe it was Christina who posted information about the card(s) shortly after the verdict.

(Sorry if I'm adding more confusion.)

[CSOKC]

In the event of a civil trial, what should be done by the Police Department that maybe was overlooked the first time? There are obviously going to be some things that weren't done the first time that aren't possible to do the second time, but some things that weren't tested before could be done now.
For example, I could have sworn that I read somewhere that they took scrapings of blood from a few areas but they didn't test the DNA. (oven door, etc.)

[ifIwereU]

In the event of a civil trial, what should be done by the Police Department that maybe was overlooked the first time? There are obviously going to be some things that weren't done the first time that aren't possible to do the second time, but some things that weren't tested before could be done now.
For example, I could have sworn that I read somewhere that they took scrapings of blood from a few areas but they didn't test the DNA. (oven door, etc.)

The RPD will not do further testing for the purposes of a civil trial. They would however do it if they felt it would further the investigation of other potential suspects. Other testing could be done by the plaintiffs in civil court if desired. foresnic testing is costly....when you have to outsource it to independent labs. There is no telling how much the Kamp Kevin paid for the guys out of state.

The condom wrapper is the mostly likely piece of evidence to be tested. I don't know since the state crime lab said they couldn't test the wrapper for DNA if they would do anything else with it or not considering what the defense says they found. The RPD paying out money to have it tested by an independent lab is very unlikely since the DNA found can only eliminate donors rather that point to a particular individual. who's to say the DNA found on the condom wasn't from the guy who stocked it in the dispenser at that the gas station or wherever it originated. IMO, any thing garnered from the condom wrapper should be taken with a grain of salt basically because it can't conclusively identify any one person.

[CSOKC]

I have heard that Dateline and 48 Hours were doing shows on the case, and I think that is when those are supposed to air.

Has anyone heard anything else about this?

[sweetgranny]

Has anyone heard anything else about this?

I heard last night from someonen that one is supposed to air in December and one is to air in January but this person wasn't sure which one should air when. Originally I thought Dateline was to be first in December, but that may or may not be correct. I have not heard anything advertised and you would think we, here in the River Valley, would be hearing something about this by now.:shrug: December is 3 weeks away and the third anniversary of her murder is 5 weeks away.:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[FDInLaw]

I heard last night from someonen that one is supposed to air in December and one is to air in January but this person wasn't sure which one should air when. Originally I thought Dateline was to be first in December, but that may or may not be correct. I have not heard anything advertised and you would think we, here in the River Valley, would be hearing something about this by now.:shrug: December is 3 weeks away and the third anniversary of her murder is 5 weeks away.:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:
This is what I've heard as well. . . I haven't heard anything new.

[hawgustusgloop]

I heard last night from someonen that one is supposed to air in December and one is to air in January but this person wasn't sure which one should air when. Originally I thought Dateline was to be first in December, but that may or may not be correct. I have not heard anything advertised and you would think we, here in the River Valley, would be hearing something about this by now.:shrug: December is 3 weeks away and the third anniversary of her murder is 5 weeks away.:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

I think this December will be the second anniversary of her murder.

[sweetgranny]

I think this December will be the second anniversary of her murder.


ooooops sorry you are correct. I knew that.:o

[CSOKC]

I heard last night from someonen that one is supposed to air in December and one is to air in January but this person wasn't sure which one should air when. Originally I thought Dateline was to be first in December, but that may or may not be correct. I have not heard anything advertised and you would think we, here in the River Valley, would be hearing something about this by now.:shrug: December is 3 weeks away and the third anniversary of her murder is 5 weeks away.:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:
Thank you, if anyone finds out exact dates please post them. I tried looking them up on the internet but I couldn't find anything.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you, if anyone finds out exact dates please post them. I tried looking them up on the internet but I couldn't find anything.

I'm keeping my ears pealed. . . will post when I hear exact dates. One of the shows may be airing real soon.

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm keeping my ears pealed. . . will post when I hear exact dates. One of the shows may be airing real soon.

Thank you. Does anyone know if it's true that the Jones family cooperated with only one show and that the Diperts cooperated only with the other? If so, I wonder if that will make a difference in how the story is portrayed on the different programs?

[FDInLaw]

Thank you. Does anyone know if it's true that the Jones family cooperated with only one show and that the Diperts cooperated only with the other? If so, I wonder if that will make a difference in how the story is portrayed on the different programs?
Did the Jones family move out of the area??? I'm pretty sure their house sold. Who knows how many interviews they gave? :shrug:

It appears that they are doing a good job of keeping a low profile, as they should. JMO.

[CSOKC]

Did the Jones family move out of the area??? I'm pretty sure their house sold. Who knows how many interviews they gave? :shrug:

It appears that they are doing a good job of keeping a low profile, as they should. JMO.
I wonder if they sold everything because of high legal fees, or if they sold their station and house so that they could move out of the area?

[hawgustusgloop]

I wonder if they sold everything because of high legal fees, or if they sold their station and house so that they could move out of the area?

IIRC, the rumor was that they sold off their business interests quite some time ago (after the murder but before the trial). I think their home is rumored to have been sold much more recently. I don't know if they have actually moved out of the area, or if it is just a rumor, so I guess we can't really speculate for sure if they did it to move away. I would imagine that their legal fees were quite substantial, due to the amount of time required to prepare the case, the fact that they added Bristow (not cheap!), and the use of the paid experts and additional lab work.

IMO it sure is expensive to help your son get away with murder.

[lorettalockhorn]

IIRC, the rumor was that they sold off their business interests quite some time ago (after the murder but before the trial). I think their home is rumored to have been sold much more recently. I don't know if they have actually moved out of the area, or if it is just a rumor, so I guess we can't really speculate for sure if they did it to move away. I would imagine that their legal fees were quite substantial, due to the amount of time required to prepare the case, the fact that they added Bristow (not cheap!), and the use of the paid experts and additional lab work.

IMO it sure is expensive to help your son get away with murder.

And in this case, it should be.

I've heard that the Joneses timber interests were sold before the murder. (But I don't know for sure that they even had timber interests, could have been a rumor.) Not long ago, I found their home listed with Moore Realty, but don't know when it was put on the market. There wasn't a for sale sign in the yard when I drove there in July. For what it's worth.