Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by kg**


Have not been able to find the probable cause statement. No other info to share. I'm just saying with all the knowledge that I do have, that I'm not absolutely sure he didn't do it, but for the most part, IMO, I don't think he did.

The probable cause statement is on page 5 of this thread. Check it out and come back on and chat!

;)

[FDInLaw]

Hey kg, thanks for sharing your thoughts. If you read the entire thread here most (if not all) of your points have been discussed. I see your point, that much of the evidence is circumstantial and has more than one possible explanation. In studying the PCS I did not come to the same conclusion though. Any crime, unless witnessed, is like a puzzle. . . you need to look at all the pieces together and see whether or not they fit. Sure, there are pieces in this puzzle that on their own do not seem to point directly to Kevin’s guilt. Reading down the list of arguments you make, I concede that it is possible that there might be other explanations, BUT I don’t think it’s probable that all or even most do. If you widen your view, from debating each point, to the whole argument as a whole it paints a picture of guilt IMO. We will all have to wait for the trail to see how well the arguments made in the PCS actually hold up.

[FDInLaw]

I must have hiking on the brain! Above it should say "trial" not "trail."

[Amy]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
I must have hiking on the brain! Above it should say "trial" not "trail."


A whole lot of posts have trial spelled trail....a whole lot. I find myself doing that some--hopefully trying to catch it as I try to proof read my posts....but I am sure some get by me!!! lol!!!!

[Amy]

Of course there are ongoing articles about the murder--a rare occurance in Russellville....there is in about any smaller city, the longer the case goes unsolved, the more articles will be printed. In my experience, anyway. In a huge city, this case might have just been an initial article, MAYBE an article at the time of arrest.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by kg**

It goes on to talk about the "extraordinary amount of
press coverage on the local, state, and national
level" according to the attorneys.



Maybe extraordinary coverage on a local level but certainly not at a national level! There was only one national story ran on CNN initially after the murder. Ask anyone on the street who Nona Dirksmeyer or Kevin Jones are and most everyone will have never heard about this case (except in the region). I wouldn't consider a chat board extraordinary press coverage either.


By the way, thanks for posting the info Kg.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by 2lakes


Maybe extraordinary coverage on a local level but certainly not at a national level! There was only one national story ran on CNN initially after the murder. Ask anyone on the street who Nona Dirksmeyer or Kevin Jones are and most everyone will have never heard about this case (except in the region). I wouldn't consider a chat board extraordinary press coverage either.


By the way, thanks for posting the info Kg.

I agree with you, I don't think there has been that much national coverage, and what else of interest does a small town have to report on? IMO the defense is just doing whatever they can to argue for a dismissal (by using a good amount of drama). It will be interesting to see Gibbon's response next week.

KG thanks for the info!

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


I agree with you, I don't think there has been that much national coverage, and what else of interest does a small town have to report on? IMO the defense is just doing whatever they can to argue for a dismissal (by using a good amount of drama). It will be interesting to see Gibbon's response next week.

KG thanks for the info!

I live in central NY and only once heard about this. Months later found this thread. I truly believe that Kevin's atty. is trying to make this look like the police are trying to pin this on him. As we all know Mark Frost NEVER posted anything about the case at all on here. I truly believe thoes other poster (lewis, birdie, etc) were here to put a spin on things... They have done it on other boards (Susan Polk), and thoes named posters went back with a copy of Mark's post and tried to make it something bigger than it was. I am sure they are aiming for a change of venue for the trial.

MOO

[Amy]

I agree that this is pretty much a local case....as in the county and probably in the state itself.

If there was any coverage in THIS state, it must have been a one-time article noting the crime, but there certainly has not been any ongoing coverage.

The ONLY place I have read about this case is right here on the board....

As far as the media coverage, well, in a comparatively small town, this IS big news and people DO want to know what is going on, and the media pretty much DOES continue to print articles, asking questions when there seems to be no activity, not getting close(r) to an arrest, etc.

And, Nona was not just your average everyday college coed, she did hold somewhat of a celebrity status...I know around here, if someone makes it in the big time, whether in sports, pagents, politics, the hometown boasts about that person being from OUR town. And when something happens to one of these folk, it IS big news.

[Lobsters]

If they do change venues...I wonder where they'll go?

Yes, definately local coverage only. I haven't heard anything on the local news here about it in quite awhile.

And I'm maybe 3 hours away from Russellville.

[FDInLaw]

" A number of recent articles have included a number of unfair, untrue, and prejudicial comments from lead detective Mark Frost of the Russellville Police Department" (From the Courier article)

Does anyone have any thoughts as to which of Frost's comments were "unfair, untrue, and prejudicial" according to the defense?

[ValleyGirl]

Why wasn't the post on this blog (by Det. Frost) not mentioned in The Courier article? I'm just curious...

[ValleyGirl]

I think that the public would be more "surprised" to know that Det Frost posted on a website vs talking to the paper. That's my o, anyway. It really shocked me that a lead det. would address a message board. I think it was a noble thing to do but looking back on it, it seems odd.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by gentilben
"Look. Detective Frost hasn't gotten me to do anything, much less, stopped me from posting when an where I want. (IMO) I've accomplished what I needed to accomplish on this board, and everything I needed, I've gotten. Now, I am busy at work, and with other matters. (IMO) However, I still read numerous other blogs per day, including this one. "

In one of his last post, gentilben mentions accomplishing what he needed to on this board. Call me a conspiracy fiend, but I really wonder if he was linked with the defense team and was intentionally baiting Mark Frost and the like. It's interesting that, one, he says he had something to accomplish, and two, he does not attempt to back up any of his previous assertions. In other words, was it his intent to propagate lies in order to get a response from someone? Mark obviously took the bait, but in so doing did not seriously jeopardize the case IMO. Det. Frost confronted the infamous three without discussing any actual facts about the case. Of course, the defense is going to take any opportunity to try to get their client off, and that is all that is happening here IMO.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by kg**


I don't think the defense would do anything like that, especially knowing it could easily enough be tracked back to them. The local attorney for KJ, Michael Robbins, is a very sharp attorney. However, a young juvenile friend of KJ trying only to help him out seems more likely of a suspect for that.

I agree, I don’t think it was one of Kevin’s actual attorneys. . . but someone else.

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
Originally posted by gentilben
"Look. Detective Frost hasn't gotten me to do anything, much less, stopped me from posting when an where I want. (IMO) I've accomplished what I needed to accomplish on this board, and everything I needed, I've gotten. Now, I am busy at work, and with other matters. (IMO) However, I still read numerous other blogs per day, including this one. "

In one of his last post, gentilben mentions accomplishing what he needed to on this board. Call me a conspiracy fiend, but I really wonder if he was linked with the defense team and was intentionally baiting Mark Frost and the like. It's interesting that, one, he says he had something to accomplish, and two, he does not attempt to back up any of his previous assertions. In other words, was it his intent to propagate lies in order to get a response from someone? Mark obviously took the bait, but in so doing did not seriously jeopardize the case IMO. Det. Frost confronted the infamous three without discussing any actual facts about the case. Of course, the defense is going to take any opportunity to try to get their client off, and that is all that is happening here IMO.

ITA!! I believe the same as you.. Any defense team with no leg to stand on will go to great lenghts... Look at the SP trial and the boat put outside by the defense... They really will do this. For even a better example.. Susan Polk her case manager took things from the message board and got them in front of the judge. The addressed the whole court about. As far as Marks comments, I agree they did nothing to hurt the case. He said nothing about the case.... :D

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by kg**


I don't think the defense would do anything like that, especially knowing it could easily enough be tracked back to them. The local attorney for KJ, Michael Robbins, is a very sharp attorney. However, a young juvenile friend of KJ trying only to help him out seems more likely of a suspect for that.

KG, the defense does do these kind of things... read my above post about the Susan Polk case... and the Scott Peterson case. As far as knowing it could be traced back to them, It would be very difficult and one's word against another's. No LE will seek a warrant for a computer just to see if someone is trying to put a spin on the case for either side.

I totally agree it could be one of Kevin's friends doing that, however, if you read the comments it just doesn't sound like a young college student conversation... Even if it was.. They are still on theside of the defense.

[gentilben]

Hi, FDinLaw. We’re baaaaaccckkkk. Just wondering, in your response to kg**, why didn’t you just say LewisM, Gentilben and Birdie, not to mention a few others, have mentioned all these interesting holes in the PC statement, and so on and so forth. Why don’t you just go up and read what they had to say, and my ridiculous coments to them. Or why didn’t you say, Kevin is guilty, the trial is going to prove it, I already know that, we over hear in Pope County are going to hang KJ for this crime and ain’t nothing you can do. Truth, evidence justice, and who really murdered Nona are of no interest to us, in this matter. So if you aren’t interested in reading the hanging of KJ, go to some other crime site. And why don’t you call yourself “THE MAN.” You can copy and paste any post you made here, and tell this boy the same thing you’ve said from the git go. Kevin is guilty, wait for the trial, blah blah, so you must know something about the trial. I recall when I first came here, and made my first entry, you responded by saying why didn’t I say who I was, what I was doing, who I was affiliated with, I think you should listen to your own self. And answer this one question. Why are you so concerned if KJ spends the rest of his life in prison. (quote bible here) Because in my life, in my investigations, I’ve run into many surprises about guilt and innocense, and run off the track, and found out I was way off the mark. I’ve also learned that the kind of person who reads something as phony as the probable cause statement and can discern that KJ was the most likely to, guiltiest person that could’ve done this, is one a very narrow shallow individual, two, the person who actually did the crime, three, has something personal against KJ and his family, or four, the police. Oh, I’ve recently come across some very interesting evidence in this case and will be posting it soon, if this thing will let me post. {Late Breaking News.} If this court tv deal won’t let me post the Truth, that I’ve recently discovered, maybe this new blog will: delirious5 at xanga.com.

[gentilben]

Hey FDinLaw, and Associated Cheerleaders, we found it like, cool, you guys could confuse us with a 1) legal defense team, 2) (even cooler) a young juvenile friend of KJ. Yooze guys made an old investigator and several buddies smile all day. (IMO)

Maybe it is time I let you guys know that there are many wee geeks who think this form and others like it could be used to improve promote the criminal justice system. (IMO) As FDinLaw pointed out, it is possible. Gentilben is not anti-police, pro-defense, or really, interested in taking sides; and it is not my fault these guys (THE MAN) just picked KJ from their list of interested persons, and hung a murder charge around his neck. (IMO) Which necessitated all individuals interested in the system working properly ending up on the same side as the defense. (IMO) We would like to throw in a little blurb here titled: Rule 3.8, Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor (e). As you can see, we are skipping over the first 4, even though they are likely relevant. (IMO) Quote: "The prosecutor in a criminal case shall: exercise reasonable care to prevent investigators, law enforcement personnel, employees or other persons assisting or associated with the prosecutor in a criminal case from making an extrajudicial statement that the prosecutor would be prohibited from making under Rule 3.6. (IMO) (Rule 3.6 is a very long rule, for instance, prosecutor or LE can't express any opinion as to the guilt or innocence of a defendant in a criminal case or proceeding..." (IMO) AND, for example, Det. Frostie, has made numerous comments regarding lie detector tests, who failed, who didn't, etc., etc., (IMO) Well, we think this is seriously cross-ways with Rule 3.6(b)(5): "information the lawyer knows or reasonably should know is likely inadmissible as evidence in a trial and would if disclosed create a substantial risk of prejudicing a trial." (IMO) Don't you guys (readers of this illustrious site), in the opinion of this adolescent investigator, think that saying KJ failed the lie detector test is like, contrary to the above cited rule? (IMO)

[gentilben]

Upon re-reading my last entry, I discovered an adolescent oversight. Example, I forgot to put in the () around see below:

"Don't you guys (readers of this illustrious site), (in the opinion of this adolescent investigator), think that saying KJ failed the lie detector test is like, contrary to the above cited rule? (IMO)"

Sorry. But surely yooze guys know how we adolescents are. And for future reference, I will now be referring to "in the opinions of myself," as ITOOTAI, or "in the opinion of this adolescent investigator." We will see what the Gods of Court TV will allow.

[ValleyGirl]

Welcome Back Ben!
Will you be refuting Det. Frost's post? I would love to here your thoughts on his entry bit by bit. Especially, Det Frosts position that no one was hired to investigate on behalf of the RPD. You were claiming that an investigator was hired to assist/give an opinion on this case.
Please share your thoughts. It just hasn't been the same without ya - right everyone?????

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by gentilben


<snipped>


(IMO) Don't you guys (readers of this illustrious site), in the opinion of this adolescent investigator, think that saying KJ failed the lie detector test is like, contrary to the above cited rule? (IMO) [/B]


No

[oxfordwebster]

You know, it's really interesting that there is some damning evidence to the prosecution's case, and gentilben thinks he needs to go to the media with it instead of using the proper avenues.

Or, you know, it's more of the same smoke we've seen from him before.

I have a great idea: let's believe this completely anonymous guy over the actual lead investigator in this case. That'll turn out great!

[FDInLaw]

birdie1
Member

Registered: Apr 2006
Location: arkansas
Posts: 7
"2lakes, fdinlaw, etc.
i spent the last weekend with lewis. i asked lots of questions and got lots of answers. Lewis does not who gentleben (SIC) is, but suspects he knows something. "

Gentilben, Are you hitting the bottle again? Who is "we"??? It always cracks me up that you come at me the way you do. I hate to disappoint you, but I am not a police officer or anyone worthy of your attention. Thanks for the compliment though! If you can’t handle people questioning your statements, go ahead and post them on some insignificant personal blog.


:lol:

[Lobsters]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
You know, it's really interesting that there is some damning evidence to the prosecution's case, and gentilben thinks he needs to go to the media with it instead of using the proper avenues.

Or, you know, it's more of the same smoke we've seen from him before.

I have a great idea: let's believe this completely anonymous guy over the actual lead investigator in this case. That'll turn out great! :lol: :lol:

[gentilben]

Originally posted by simply quiet



No

Hello? Simplyquiet! Ole Gentilben made a big mistake by ass-um-ing that the folks who were interested enough in the justice system to read ongoing cases/threads, etc., would all be aware that the prosecution is not allowed to use psychological stress evaluation tests (lie detector tests). (IMO) Arkansas Law statute §12‑12‑701, states all law enforcement agencies in this state are authorized to use a psychological stress evaluation instrument to test or question individuals for the purpose of determining and verifying the truth of statements.” (IMO) Arkansas Law, statute §12‑12‑704, states that the results of any such examination as provided in this subchapter shall be inadmissible in all courts in this state.” Please read the above carefully.

(IMO) Arkansas Professional and Judicial Ethics by Howard W. Brill, Rule 3.6(b)(5), “Trial Publicity,” states: “information the lawyer (prosecutor, who is a lawyer) knows or reasonably should know is likely to be inadmissible as evidence in a trial, and would if disclosed create a substantial risk of prejudicing an impartial trial.” (parenthetical comments included by Gentilben, as a matter of fact, anything in parentheses is included by Gentilben for the sake of the mentally impaired, oh, ITOOTAI).

If this is not clear enough, please respond in more than one word, as I have recently received as a gift, a bottle of 12 year old Jameson. (ITOOTAI).

[gentilben]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Welcome Back Ben!..... It just hasn't been the same without ya - right everyone?????

Hi ValleyGrrrrlll. Glad to hear that someone still enjoys the rants of us (ITOOTAI). You see, in the interest of feeding myself and some family members, I've been working like long hours. Only had time to come to the thread after midnight (several drinks) and just didn't know what to say to get this whole thread back on track. But as I said earlier, I did run across some interesting new information, and I'm trying my best to get permission to share it with you guys. I only have a couple of days off, maybe by my next break, I will be able to do so. Yes, ethics get in the way of everything (ITOOTAI). Maybe that is why some folks just don't apply theirs. (ITOOTAI).

[gentilben]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
You know, it's really interesting that there is some damning evidence to the prosecution's case, and gentilben thinks he needs to go to the media with it instead of using the proper avenues.

Or, you know, it's more of the same smoke we've seen from him before.

I have a great idea: let's believe this completely anonymous guy over the actual lead investigator in this case. That'll turn out great!

Hey Ox. Do you realize that the weenies at the Oxford Dictionary website wanted me to pay money before they pass on the definition I was going to pass on to you? So you won't be getting that. We have been noticing on your posts how you like to call Kevin a liar. (ITOOTAI) Have you ever like told him this to his face? Like when his dad was standing around with a chair. I have a hard time respecting an anonymous dictionary that likes to call people liars anywhere, but to their face. My dad, rest his soul, would have slapped me unconscious for calling a man a liar anywhere except in that man's presence. But then all those rules and manners are no more. (ITOOTAI). Yooze, dic-tionary.

Maybe the lead investigator wants you to believe everything he says. But this adolescent investigator only wants you guys to open your eyes and see the Truth. Its a good rule of investigating. Don't believe anything. (ITOOTAI)

[FDInLaw]

Gentilben,

You and your buddy “Jameson” are on a real roll. Anyone can come on this board and cause a commotion, and IMHO that it all you are doing. If there were facts that would lead to the charges against Mr. Jones being dropped, and a new face behind bars, why hasn’t Kevin’s defense team used them? If you view the RPD as incompetent, why not take what you know to the state police?

There are some gossip hungry folks that enjoy your presence here, I for one am outraged that a lovely young woman had her life snuffed-out brutally and that’s why I’m here. I have nothing to gain from Kevin Jones being wrongfully accused. I don’t even know him or his family - why would I want them harmed? Like many, I want to know the TRUTH about what happened to Nona. You Sir rant and rave about knowing the “truth” but to this point haven’t been able to substantiate any of your claims. I’m with “Ox,” why should we believe you?
:(

[ValleyGirl]

MR BENJAMIN
Nice diversionary tactic (you must be in politics!) but I really want to know if you are going to address Det Frosts posts on this blog? Ya know, the one where he addressed you specifically? Now don't weanie out on me and change the subject. I am a nagging woman and I really want to see what you have to say regarding his post. I know it is not within your "character" to let us down - that would just make you look like a big ole' liar! Now we don't want that Ben, do we? I would hate for all of your blog credibility (cough) to be stripped because you are afraid to address the Det.'s blog.



FD - I hope that you don't think that I am one of those gossip mongers that you spoke of. I was just welcoming our "friend" Ben back to the blog. He def. keeps us hopping.

PS - Just so you all know the prosecutor has responded to the Motion for Discovery. The list of evidence and the people to be called to trial are all listed. It's public record folks - check it out. Very interesting stuff! BTW - I don't think GENTLEBEN appears on the list - lol.

[FDInLaw]

Okay Valley Girl, give us the scoop. . . what did you read that was interesting? Can you post a copy of the Motion for Discovery?

[ValleyGirl]

I don't want to post the list of people / evidence to be called at trial because there are people's names on it. There are alot of people on the list! It's easy to get though. The courthouse has the file and it's public record right now. If a gag order is issued that may change.

[ValleyGirl]

It's public record - you can get it from the courthouse

[oxfordwebster]

Some of us can't access the courthouse that easily due to distance, so it would be good if someone could get it and scan it, type it up, or something. Public record is public record, so I don't see what it will hurt.

[FDInLaw]

Wow, that was a long vacation! Let me be the first to welcome you back. It's funny that you and gentilben are popping back on here AFTER the Motion for a gag order. Did either of you contact Mark Frost like he requested? Oh, I get it, your afraid to deal directly with him. . . hmmmm. . . it's obvious who is really hiding something.

[FDInLaw]

KG, I think I finally agree with you. . . some of the individuals on this board must be Kevin's friends intent on causing chaos.

[ValleyGirl]

I don't think anyone should post the documents that identify the people that will be called or the material that will be covered in trial. These are local people that don't deserve to be harrassed or stalked by lurkers. If you are that interested you can get them, even from out of town.

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
I don't think anyone should post the documents that identify the people that will be called or the material that will be covered in trial. These are local people that don't deserve to be harrassed or stalked by lurkers. If you are that interested you can get them, even from out of town.

ValleyGirl, I totally agree with you! Guess I'll just wait till trial. :D

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by kg**


I disagree. It would actually be easy to track down who wrote it. You can do some amazing things on the computer if you have the know how. Yes, I am aware that there are some crooked attorneys that might try to put a spin on things, but I'm also very aware that the attorney from Russellville is NOT that kind of guy. He's smarter than that, and he's actually honest. He would not do that or be apart of the team if some one else were up to it. If the prosecuting team actually thought the defense was trying to fudge the case by using this thread and baiting someone, I am quite sure they'd have a warrant out in a heartbeat. They wouldn't want to miss anything that was going to help their case. As for the comments, I may not have commented on here as long as some of you, but I have been reading them for quite a while. I think the comments lack depth and education. They sound somewhat ignorant, and to me, very juvenile. Sounds like a kid when they want to back up something they know totally nothing about.

Hi KG, I can't debate the computer issue because I certainly don't have the know how. I didn't think it was that easy. Please don't take it the wrong way about the defense team, I don't know them, like I said I am not from that area. I have been following the Susan Polk trial and cannot believe what extent some people will go to. As far as comments, I don't think most people care how long you have been posting, it means nothing anyway. I hope you didn't think I was saying anything negative about that at all. As far as posts, even some of my own lacking depth and education and being juvenile, well not everyone is an expert. I think we are all here sharing our opinions and trying to keep an open mind. Don't get me wrong there are pleanty of CTV posters that cannot debate and only see their side and revert to childish name calling and just being nasty when someone doesn't agree with them, but I really haven't seen any of that on this thread.

Look forward to reading more of your posts. :D

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by kg**
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jjlynn072
[B]

"As far as knowing it could be traced back to them, It would be very difficult and one's word against another's. "

Isn't the whole thing about one's word against another? Innocent untill proven guilty...... I don't see the proof that the defense attorney has done this nor do I see that the evidence points to KJ's guilt.

I agree with innocent until proven guilty. However, with the information I have read so far, MO is that it points to Kevin.

My comment you quoted was about tracing the computer back to the poster. IMO it would be difficult. If LE says this is the computer but 8 different people have access to it how can they prove who actually did it? That was what that comment ment.

[2lakes]

Anyone thought about why the Clemson student murder is getting so much national publicity & why other murders of young co-eds happen everyday without any national attention? Nona's murder seemed to have many similarities initially as Tiffany's. Both were college students, well liked and volunteered in their communities.

[JMcD]

IMO it has a lot to do with what else is happening. All news is local. Things only go national if a) they have a national/international impact, or b) they are sensational and/or salatious, or c) it's a slow news day and the particular story is most likely to catch people's attention.

[Lobsters]

I'm guessing it's because Tiffany's murder happened on a well known college campus.

where as Nona's happened in tiny Russellville...

:shrug:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by birdie1
one more thing....the Gag Order WILL apply to you two.......i know who you are........Ha ha

The thread has moved on to discuss other things, but I can't get over the cryptic message above.

Birdie1, you seem awfully involved for a mere golfing buddy! I'm going to call your bluff. Go ahead, NAME ME! I'm dying to know who you think I am ( but of course, you're probably taking another one of your long "vacations" again).

:lol:

[ValleyGirl]

One thing that I noticed when reading the evidence list is that the card that has been mentioned so much by everyone - I think it was even in the pc statement... was from Nona'a mom.

[birdie1]

so....anybody hear the latest rumors?? The word in circuit court this morning was that the state was going to request ip addresses. apparently they think that some of the witnesses and even some LE personnel have been posting on this very board!!
If thats true, and Det. Frosts actions seem to indicate it is, the state will serve a subpoena on courttv, who will fight it no doubt, and lose. the ip's will be turned over and the defense will get them.
I cannot understand what motivated Det. frost to think he had to respond to any posting on this, or any other annonymous forum. By doing so, he has destroyed his own credibility as a witness. The prevailing professional school of thought among the local bar is that he will be ripped to pieces on cross examination. Gibbons will try very hard to rehabilitate him, but it will be too late.
The lawyers all agreed(a dep. prosecutor too) that frosts statement was not very smart and made the RPD look very unprofessional.
Did they indeed have a paid consultant??? If not, why deny it?

[FDInLaw]

YOU DIDN"T ANSWER MY QUESTION!

[Amy]

Originally posted by birdie1
so....anybody hear the latest rumors?? The word in circuit court this morning was that the state was going to request ip addresses. apparently they think that some of the witnesses and even some LE personnel have been posting on this very board!!
If thats true, and Det. Frosts actions seem to indicate it is, the state will serve a subpoena on courttv, who will fight it no doubt, and lose. the ip's will be turned over and the defense will get them.
I cannot understand what motivated Det. frost to think he had to respond to any posting on this, or any other annonymous forum. By doing so, he has destroyed his own credibility as a witness. The prevailing professional school of thought among the local bar is that he will be ripped to pieces on cross examination. Gibbons will try very hard to rehabilitate him, but it will be too late.
The lawyers all agreed(a dep. prosecutor too) that frosts statement was not very smart and made the RPD look very unprofessional.
Did they indeed have a paid consultant??? If not, why deny it?

I must not have read the same SINGLE post, as in, ONE ONLY by Det. Frost. He answered questions about the department's hiring practices in regard to PI's. What he posted didn't make anyone look unprofessional, unless it was posters who identified themselves as PI's on this case. He gave out no information on the details of the case at all.

His credibility as a witness isn't impugned in anyway that I can see. The people who are in fact investigating this case have the right to look anywhere they feel necessary to find information and clues. If someone directed the detectives to this and other message boards, they have the right to check them out.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Amy


I must not have read the same SINGLE post, as in, ONE ONLY by Det. Frost. He answered questions about the department's hiring practices in regard to PI's. What he posted didn't make anyone look unprofessional, unless it was posters who identified themselves as PI's on this case. He gave out no information on the details of the case at all.

His credibility as a witness isn't impugned in anyway that I can see. The people who are in fact investigating this case have the right to look anywhere they feel necessary to find information and clues. If someone directed the detectives to this and other message boards, they have the right to check them out.

I totally agree with you. I have not heard the rumors that birdie1 suggests. IMO birdie1 is just employing scare tactics and trying to discredit Det. Frost. It's ironic, because birdie1 is probably one of the ones at the top of the prosecutors "most wanted" list. I hope Court TV is subpoenaed!
:beer:

[dtbh]

Originally posted by birdie1
one more thing....the Gag Order WILL apply to you two.......i know who you are........Ha ha

Ha ha, Birdie, I don't think you do know who we are! AND the gag order will not apply to us.

Say, if you do know who I am, why don't you give me a call. I can give you and Kevin a couple of bumper stickers that say "Justice for Nona." Some lady in town printed them up.

Oh, wait, I forgot! You and Kevin don't want justice for Nona. You just want Kevin to get off the hook. You'll have to print your own "Free Kevin" bumper stickers.

[simply quiet]

Originally posted by birdie1
so....anybody hear the latest rumors?? The word in circuit court this morning was that the state was going to request ip addresses. apparently they think that some of the witnesses and even some LE personnel have been posting on this very board!!
If thats true, and Det. Frosts actions seem to indicate it is, the state will serve a subpoena on courttv, who will fight it no doubt, and lose. the ip's will be turned over and the defense will get them.
I cannot understand what motivated Det. frost to think he had to respond to any posting on this, or any other annonymous forum. By doing so, he has destroyed his own credibility as a witness. The prevailing professional school of thought among the local bar is that he will be ripped to pieces on cross examination. Gibbons will try very hard to rehabilitate him, but it will be too late.
The lawyers all agreed(a dep. prosecutor too) that frosts statement was not very smart and made the RPD look very unprofessional.
Did they indeed have a paid consultant??? If not, why deny it?



Poor Nona

Every case here on CTV has a group that always are very vocal and go against the tide.

Possible defense lower level clerks?

Possible crime writers?

Possible family?

If you are going to bait the mainstream....you would have better luck being a bit more classy then starting off with...."did ya hear the latest rumor?"
JMO


:rose: For Nona

[Amy]

"Rumors" are a dime a dozen. Most are started out of malice, most not having a whit of truth to them.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by dtbh


Ha ha, Birdie, I don't think you do know who we are! AND the gag order will not apply to us.

Say, if you do know who I am, why don't you give me a call. I can give you and Kevin a couple of bumper stickers that say "Justice for Nona." Some lady in town printed them up.

Oh, wait, I forgot! You and Kevin don't want justice for Nona. You just want Kevin to get off the hook. You'll have to print your own "Free Kevin" bumper stickers.

dtbh, you really crack me up!

mega dittos. . . JUSTICE FOR NONA!

(Now every time I see one of those stickers I'm going to wonder, did those punks stop by and get one?!)

[FDInLaw]

I got so distracted with laughter that I forgot the main reason I wanted to post!

dtbh, how can people get a "Justice for Nona" sticker?

;)

[birdie1]

i was in circuit court monday morning. what i posted is what i heard said. the dep. prosector made the statement about ip addresses. that lawyers ALL agreed that Frost severely damaged his credibility by not refuting EVERYBODY on this board who claimed knowledge. I too want justice for Nona. I am not convinced that she is getting it. the4 states evidence is poor. remember that the PC statement is NOT evidence

[oxfordwebster]

It's interesting that birdie1, who claimed to be a golfing buddy of lewism (the supposed investigator paid by the RPD), spent his Monday morning in circuit court watching the lawyers talk.

Sounds like another round of smoke to me.

[birdie1]

I spend every monday in circuit court when there is a docket call, plea, etc. as for me being on the Prosecutors list, he does not want to subpoena me, (and will not), in any case, i would take the exercise the fifth amendment, if only to frustrate the state. but, they will not subpoena me, or anyone else. they would be required to name those persons to the state. its not a crime to make any information public, ongoing investigation or not.

[birdie1]

and who said i was watching i was watching the lawyers talk?? I was involved in the conversation, thats how i heard it all...

[2lakes]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
One thing that I noticed when reading the evidence list is that the card that has been mentioned so much by everyone - I think it was even in the pc statement... was from Nona'a mom.

Thanks Valleygirl.

[Lobsters]

*visions of a bird with smoke coming outta his rump


:rolleyes:

[dtbh]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
I got so distracted with laughter that I forgot the main reason I wanted to post!

dtbh, how can people get a "Justice for Nona" sticker?

;)

You can get these bumper stickers from Connie Goff at 479 967-4941.

She felt so bad about Nona's murder that she stopped at Nona's mom's house (having never met either Nona or her mom) and told her she just "had to do something" but didn't know what she could do. So, she printed up a bunch of bumper stickers.

[mgrace]

aa. Disposition of Evidence prepared by ASP Agent Stacie Rhoads dated 1-6-06
- attached
bb. Miranda rights fonn signed by defendant - 12-21 .. 054:26 pm - attached
cc. Unsigned Miranda rights form - 12-15-05 (read to defendant by Det. Virden
on DVD) - attached
dd. Notes written by defendant on 12-15-05 (includes friends of victim, victim's
classes and timeline of defendant) - attached
ee. Crime Scene Sketch drawn by defendant - 12-15-05 - attached
ff Ryan Whiteside rights fonn dated 12-15-05 - attached
gg. Transcribed statement of Ryan Whiteside - 19 pages - 12-15-05 - attached
hh. Transcribed statement of Janice Jones -19 pages - 12-15-05 - attached
ii. Summary of Interview of Al Frazier - 2-8-06 - 1 page - attached
jj. Nine (9) photos taken 12-15-05 (10:01 to 10:06)- attached
kk. Statement of AI Frazier-12-16 ... 05 -4 pages - attached
ll. Statement of Bobby Maross - 12-16-05 - 9 pages - attached
tnm. Statement of Vicky Kiehl-12-16"()5 -12 pages - attached
nn. Statement of Holly Gale -12-16-05 - 8 pages - attached
oo. Statement of Scott Pearson - 12-16-05 - 7 pages - attached
Miranda rights fonn of James York III - 12-16-05 - attached
qq. Statement of Sara Busch - 12-20-05 - 20 pages - attached
rr. Statement of Tony Sigle - 12-20-05 - 6 pages - attached
ss. Statement of Andrew Featherston - 12-28-05 - 2 pages - attached
tt. Statement of Jason Kennedy-12-29-05 - 4 pages - attached
uu. Statement ofNonna Tate Jones - 1-9-06 - 2 pages - attached
vv. Statement of Kelly Edwards - 3 ... 2 ... 06 - 3 pages - attached
ww. Statement of Kelly Edwards - 1-6-06 - 18 pages - attached
xx. Statement of Laura Brown - 12-20-05 - 7 pages - attached
yy. Statement of Laura Brown - 2-6-06 - 3 pages - attached
zz. Report of Cause of Death - 12-19-05 - attached
aaa. Report of Autopsy - 3-16-06 - attached
bbb. Evidence Submission Sheet stamped Received 12-29-05 (including all items listed thereon) - attached
ccc. Evidence Submission Sheet stamped Received 12-21-05 (including all items
listed thereon) - attached
ddd. Evidence Submission Sheet stamped Received 1-17-06 (including all items
listed thereon) - attached
eee. Evidence Submission Sheet stamped Received 1-23-06 (including all items
listed thereon) - attached
fff. Crime Lab Report - 12-27-05 - attached
ggg. Crime Lab Report - 2-6-06 – attached
hhh. Crime Lab Report - 2-9-06 - attached (CD referred to is CD listed as item
"0"
iii. Crime Lab Report - 2-15-06 - attached (Terry Rolf)
jjj. Crime Lab Report - 2-15-06 - attached (Chantelle Taylor)
kkk. Eleven (11) Arvest photos taken 12-15-05 - attached
lll. Affidavit for Search Warrant and Search Warrant - 1-18-06 - attached
mmm. Return (including all items listed thereon) - attached
nnn. Statement of Chris Chappell - 1-11-06 - 5 pages - attached
ooo. Application for Order for Cell Site Infonnation - attached
ppp. Order for Cell Site Information - attached
qqq. CelI Site Information - attached
rrr. Cell phone records 479 .. 264-7352 - 2 pages
sss. Cell phone records 479-747-1600 - 3 pages
ttt. Cingular bills for 479-264-7352 for 12/14/05 to 1/13/06
uuu. E-mails trom Victim to Jeremy Martin - attached
vvv. Tenant list - attached
www. Infonnation trom Jones computer - provided by defense coW1Sel
xxx. Consent to Search Fonn signed by defendant - 1-6-05 - attached
yyy. Receipt for Evidence - 1 .. 6-05 - 2 pages - attached
zzz. Crime Scene Photos taken by Coroner - 57 pictures
III.
The State of Arkansas will provide information regarding computers
belonging to defendant as soon as it becomes available as the investigation of these items is ongoing and the State is not currently in possession of the complete results of the investigation of the computer(s).
IV.
The State of Arkansas agrees to treat this response as continuing and will provide any additional information obtained concerning this case to defendant.

"Of the terrible doubt of appearances,
of the uncertainty of all, that we may be deluded,
That may-be reliance and hope are but speculations after all,
That may-be identity beyond the grave is a beautiful fable only." Old Walt

[Amy]

Thanks, mgrace!!!!

[ValleyGirl]

Ok now that someone else posted the evidence...

Who is Jim York III from Ashdown and why was he given Miranda rights?

DTBH - I'm guessing you have an inkling - please dish - I'm curious!

The Jeremy that the Three Blind Mice were referring to is listed on the doc. This is the guy that drives a white explorer like Kevin, correct?

[gentilben]

Come on Valley Grrrrlll. You can put this together. They read him his Miranda Rights, a) because he was driving through town on the night of the murder, b) once lived in Little Rock, c) had never been anywhere near Russellville, or d) was one of the guys that was visiting Nona late at night. (IMO) He was a suspect, silly. And you also could figure anyone who is a suspect in a murder of a college student in Russellville, and gave his address as Ashdown, was a) on the police department, b) worked at a drive-in, c) was a student at the college or d) none of the above. (IMO) How you doing so far?

Now, to find out more, you have to use your computer skills. Such as, his father's name is Jim York, II. His grandfather's name was Jim York. His great-grandfather was known as Doctor York. He comes from an old-time, prominent Ashdown family. Okay, I know prominent Ashdown family is a bit of a oxymoron. Anyway, that is what my machine told me. I could go into aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, so on and so forth, but all you need to know is this prominent Ashdown family is known for their girl-courting in their youths. So the gene must of just carried over to Jimmy the Third. All in all, good bunch of folks. Not likely going to find a murderer amongst them. (IMO) But then, Det. Frostie must not be as literate on the machine as us, or he could have saved Jimmy the embarassment of the Miranda Rights and all. (IMO)

P.S. Or, he could have just come on here and asked me.

[sophiafox]

Originally posted by gentilben
Come on Valley Grrrrlll. You can put this together. They read him his Miranda Rights, a) because he was driving through town on the night of the murder, b) once lived in Little Rock, c) had never been anywhere near Russellville, or d) was one of the guys that was visiting Nona late at night. (IMO) He was a suspect, silly. And you also could figure anyone who is a suspect in a murder of a college student in Russellville, and gave his address as Ashdown, was a) on the police department, b) worked at a drive-in, c) was a student at the college or d) none of the above. (IMO) How you doing so far?

Now, to find out more, you have to use your computer skills. Such as, his father's name is Jim York, II. His grandfather's name was Jim York. His great-grandfather was known as Doctor York. He comes from an old-time, prominent Ashdown family. Okay, I know prominent Ashdown family is a bit of a oxymoron. Anyway, that is what my machine told me. I could go into aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, so on and so forth, but all you need to know is this prominent Ashdown family is known for their girl-courting in their youths. So the gene must of just carried over to Jimmy the Third. All in all, good bunch of folks. Not likely going to find a murderer amongst them. (IMO) But then, Det. Frostie must not be as literate on the machine as us, or he could have saved Jimmy the embarassment of the Miranda Rights and all. (IMO)

P.S. Or, he could have just come on here and asked me.


It should have been in your report!
JMHO

[FDInLaw]

Gentilben,

So, are you a PI that works for the York family? I think that's the best piece of “detective” work you've done. . . almost like it was prepared before hand. (Okay, so I’m being a tad sarcastic.)

[ValleyGirl]

If not Kevin or Jim then who did it? In your opinion? You aren't suggesting that this Jeremy kid did are you? Who on the list was a suspect besides Kevin & Jim. I thought there were like 10.

[ValleyGirl]

I've heard about JM but he wasn't listed as a suspect. There is no deposition from him on the list. The emails are mentioned.

JM was engaged if my sources are correct. All in my opinion, of course. So, what is in the im's bird? Who were the 10 apprx suspects that the RPD were looking at?

This case is crazy! I would quit following it but it is so sad and honestly I guess I am nosey.

[Lobsters]

as a side note....saw a car with two "justice for Nona" stickers on it today. All the way up here in Northwest Arkansas.

This case IS crazy!!!

[gentilben]

The only report I filed to my client is that there is not enough evidence to conclude that any of the parties listed as defendant or witness by the RPD committed this crime. It is my opinion based on every thing that I have learned (interviews and other information), that it is very likely Nona was murdered by someone not connected to her in a personal way and not from this area. (ITOOTAI) I have a strong suspicion that it was someone she had met on the net. (ITOOTAI) But that is all it is, "a suspicion." But, if you remember the Greenville, SC police dept were first looking at friends and associates of Tiffany Souers, but did not make the mistake to not look at the whole picture and rule out that there are sophisticated predators using the net to target young women. (ITOOTAI). Also, understand that the Greenville PD was not secretive in any info they obtained. They shared everything with the media, other agencies and the public, and they solved the murder in five days and arrested the person who was actually guilty. They got a confession and closed the case. In my opinion, this is the way police depts should do their job.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey y'all. I've been reading here for some time. Very interesting stuff. Well, except for the BS, that is!

Anyway, I was curious about mgrace's post about the witness list. Was that edited, or removed by the mods?

I am from Russellville and have been following the case in the Courier and the ARDEMGAZ.

God bless and Godspeed to Nona's family.

[Amy]

Welcome to the board, loretta.

Nice to see another person who is "there."

What is your take on the murder? They have the right fellow, or need to go back and re-examine the evidence? If you care to share.

[FDInLaw]

As ones who never cease to tear down the Probably Cause Statement, you have yet to produce anything comparable to back up your assertions. It's easy to dream up all kinds of possibilities but a bit more challenging to find the evidence to back them up!

:rolleyes:

[dtbh]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Ok now that someone else posted the evidence...

Who is Jim York III from Ashdown and why was he given Miranda rights?

DTBH - I'm guessing you have an inkling - please dish - I'm curious!

The Jeremy that the Three Blind Mice were referring to is listed on the doc. This is the guy that drives a white explorer like Kevin, correct?

I'm complimented that you think I might know who he is. I suspect he might have been one of Nona's boyfriend suspects, but don't know for sure.

I don't know about a white explorer. I thought Kevin had a white pickup truck. I don't know what jm drives.

Someone was suggesting that this was a random act, rather than KJ or other acquaintances. I guess in that case, the person would break in and kill the victim without any rape or robbery or without losing his/her temper over some affair? Dang, that's pretty unbelievable.

[birdie1]

your sources are almost correct. JM was dating a girl who broke up w/ him because she learned that he was also seeing nona. she now lives in van buren and evidently gives a very interesting interview.

[birdie1]

have any of you ever seen a murder scene where passion or rage was involved?? this is not one. the "sharp" trauma wounds were superficial and the was not the associated "rage" trauma one would expect...it leaves questions for those with open mi8nds and a desire to see the truth.....Those "emails" or "IM's"....are really incredible stuff....."i have comitted the perfect crime"....JM...go to the trial and see for yourself.

[ValleyGirl]

why isn't he a witness for the state?

is the gf a witness?

[2lakes]

The disposition of evidence states 11 Arvest Photos. I don't recall hearing any discussion about Arvest photos in the past. My guess is that either the victim or the suspect used the bank atm that day?

Birdie - I like reading your posts to get your side of things but I am still confused why you spend time posting on this forum if you are tied so close to the case and have insider information... maybe the gag order should apply to you also???

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by 2lakes
The disposition of evidence states 11 Arvest Photos. I don't recall hearing any discussion about Arvest photos in the past. My guess is that either the victim or the suspect used the bank atm that day?Arrest photos. I'm very confident that's just the effect of an OCR scan messing up, so it made "arrest" look like "arvest."

[ValleyGirl]

Was there an arrest on 12-15-05? The photos are from 12-15.

[WhoDunIt]

It is my understanding these are photos from Arvest Bank, a new bank located at an intersection only blocks from the crime scene. It has been said the cameras also take footage of traffic at the intersection and nearby street.

[Lobsters]

Originally posted by WhoDunIt
It is my understanding these are photos from Arvest Bank, a new bank located at an intersection only blocks from the crime scene. It has been said the cameras also take footage of traffic at the intersection and nearby street.


For those who aren't in the state of Arkansas.


Arvest is a well known banking chain in Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri. There are Arvests everywhere in this part of Arkansas.


Arvest Banks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvest_Bank)

[Lobsters]

Am I the only one who is completely confused?

(I wouldn't be surprised....children have lowered my IQ by at least 50pts.)


:D :confused:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Lobsters
Am I the only one who is completely confused?

(I wouldn't be surprised....children have lowered my IQ by at least 50pts.)


:D :confused:

I'm with you there. . . I don't know what is going on, but it is obvious that there are people on this board intent on causing confusion (IMO).

[ValleyGirl]

Good Lordy! This gets crazier everyday!

Where are jurys pooled from? County?

I'm wondering if the trial will be a madhouse (with people). What's your opinion? Parking stinks at the courthouse. Businesses get ticked if you park on their lots. Who is planning on going to trial?

[WhoDunIt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ValleyGirl
[B]Good Lordy! This gets crazier everyday!

Where are jurys pooled from? County?


When you mentioned the "jury" I remembered hearing recently (don't remember where this took place), but it was a small community. You might recall. Instead of moving the trial out of their county, they just went out of the county to collect the jury. I hope the trial stays in Pope County. Not much room though for parking or spectators.

[lorettalockhorn]

Originally posted by Amy
Welcome to the board, loretta.

Nice to see another person who is "there."

What is your take on the murder? They have the right fellow, or need to go back and re-examine the evidence? If you care to share.

Thanks Amy! I'm thinking from what I've read that the state has charges against the killer. But there is an awful lot that we don't know yet. At any rate, I don't think that they would have arrested KJ if they didn't think that they could put on a convincing case. And it's not like they rushed anything.
I'm more than a little befuddled by some of what I have read here. I'm thinking that some misguided friends of KJ are desperately trying to confuse the issues. His friends, family, or any professionals would be better off to keep quiet.
Of course if I was involved with the case, I would be reading here and everywhere else that the case is discussed, But I sure as heck wouldn't post. And why would anyone with any information want to give it away?
JMO.

[FDInLaw]

Valley Girl, I hope to make it for some of the trial (especially when the verdict is read), regardless of which county it ends up in. How about you?

Welcome to the board, Loretta!

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
Valley Girl, I hope to make it for some of the trial (especially when the verdict is read), regardless of which county it ends up in. How about you?

Welcome to the board, Loretta!

:seeya:

Thank you FDinLaw.

kg and Amy, just to clarify. I don't think any professionals involved have posted here. More likely misguided friends of KJ or trolls. I think that they do more harm than good to him and to the process.

The Pope County courthouse and courtrooms are so small, wouldn't you think that there will have to be some sort of lottery or somethingfor seats? I think that the hearing re: the gag order should be every bit as interesting as the trial itself.

[ValleyGirl]

Why are some posts disapearing?

[2lakes]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Why are some posts disapearing?

Which posts?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by 2lakes


Which posts?

The first half of the "Response to the Motion for Discovery" has been deleted twice. I was with the group that thought it was best not to post it. Send me a PM if you would like another look at it and I'll send it to you.

[lorettalockhorn]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


The first half of the "Response to the Motion for Discovery" has been deleted twice. I was with the group that thought it was best not to post it. Send me a PM if you would like another look at it and I'll send it to you.

The moderators must be deleting the information, since it can't be edited after five minutes of being posted. When I asked the question before, I didn't know that. Do the mods generally make deletions here? Or have they been requested to do so by the parties involved? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm a little confused about the Arvest or arrest photos in question. Arrest photos have pretty well been ruled out as there were no arrests made on 12/15, right? But neither of the Arvest Banks in that quadrant of town are very close to the apartment and neither one are at an intersection. I don't think that these are likely to be traffic photos. More likely individuals. Unless we are not talking about an actual branch but simply an ATM.

[ValleyGirl]

There's a new Arvest Bank that is at the corner of Inglewood (facing Inglewood) (near Rose Drug). The apartments are also on Inglewood. I'm guessing they have a vehicle on them.

[FDInLaw]

Did anyone read The Courier this morning?

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=11883

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=11884

There is a self-proclaimed profiler, who apparently has been working for the paper, giving his thoughts on the case.

[Amy]

Interesting that he would make a remark about sometimes police departments not sharing information, being terretorial. At least there was a statement after that where Det Frost had already listed the other agencies that were brought in.

[ValleyGirl]

I read the article but I am confused. What was this guy's point? I am not following him I guess...? It just seemed rather vague to me!

[lorettalockhorn]

Valley Girl, thanks for helping me figure out the location of the bank (I should get out more!) I can only imagine how much vehicle traffic would go through that area on any given day. So am assuming that they are looking at a particular vehicle that was being driven by someone who claimed not to have been in the area?

I scanned the articles in this morning's Courier and I didn't come away with anything, really. Not sure why they bothered publishing them. Will have to read them again more carefully and see what I wasn't getting. :confused:

[FDInLaw]

Just an FYI. . .

I just started a thread for Nina Ingram. Figure some of you may be following her case as well.

[ValleyGirl]

http://www.courttv.com/trials/taped/scaggs.html

I watched this trial on Court Tv years ago but something caught my eye when I saw it again last week. The husband who was clearly the killer did not touch the body when he found her and was crucified by the prosecutor for NOT touching the body. I just thought it was ironic when compared to this case....

[FDInLaw]

It is ironic. . . but I don't think I'll ever feel alright about the "I ran my hands through the blood to see how fresh it was" comment. YUCK!

[Lobsters]

Yeah, I agree.

In my mind, there is touching the body (perhaps for a pulse etc.)

and then there is running your hands through the blood! Ewww...who would do that?

I'd think you'd be able to tell just looking at the blood to see if it was dry or not. No need to touch it!!!


or for that matter, throwing yourself on the body (ala Patsy Ramsey...but that's a whole 'nother thread.)

[ValleyGirl]

Has defense counsel changed?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Has defense counsel changed?

Hey Valley Girl! What's new? Have you heard something about the defense counsel changing? It's been real quiet as of late. Has a hearing been set for the gag order stuff or is it all suppose to be settled between the attorneys?

[FDInLaw]

This thread seems to have been stuck in a back closet or something. . . most of the other threads here were started by moderators and get little traffic. The change is probably do to the topic, obviously, but I'm sad to see Nona's thread put somewhere so obscure. She deserves justice too. When something happens to someone you know, it really hits home how much other crimes are focused on, and yet so many others ignored.

You're not forgotten, Nona!


:rose:

[ValleyGirl]

The latest on public record was a motion for discovery from the prosecution to the defense. I noticed that the motion was sent to another attorney (local) that hasn't been mentioned before. The other two attorneys that were working the case were not on the motion. This just made me curious.

I think people are scared to post on this thread. I'm still perplexed about the article in The Courier from the guy in Texas. I thought that would have caused a major blow up on the board.

This case is so sad for Nona's mom & brother and for Kevin's family. I can't even begin to fathom what both families are going thru.

[FDInLaw]

For those of you following the Nina Ingram case too (that thread is closed for the holiday), here is the lastest. . .

"Detectives say new evidence analyzed by the Arkansas State Crime Lab has not yielded any new clues in the investigation of a local woman found dead in her apartment more than two months ago.

“ We received some DNA evidence from the Arkansas State Crime Lab earlier this week, but it hasn’t given us any new leads, ” said Fayetteville Police Lt. Mike Reynolds. “ The only thing we have to go on right now is any further leads that come in from the public. So far, we haven’t gotten any. ”

Read the entire article at this link:
http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/News/42397/

So sad. . . I was hoping that the results from the crime lab would be more helpful.

:(

[FDInLaw]

With the gag order in place, it will be interesting to see if any individuals disappear from this message board. It sure has been quiet. Has gentilben posted at all since the Glenn Owen articles? I'm with you, Valley Girl, I expected more of a reaction on here.

Hope everyone had a good 4th of July!
:patriot:

[ValleyGirl]

That's an interesting thought! What exactly was Glenn Owen's take on the case? Was it me or did he describe someone other than Kevin?

I don't get it!

[ValleyGirl]

Wednesday, June 21, 2006
Texas Investigator on Dirksmeyer Murder
You will never in a million years believe the story about a dude named Glen Owen, supposedly some sort of former Texas law enforcement officer.

He has been looking into the December 2005 murder of ASU student and local beauty queen, Nona Dirksmeyer and apparantly heoping the Russellville Courier. Read the feature and ask yourself how a credible small town newspaper can show such poor judgment.

This is not a "profile," but the Courier fans the flames of local interest with Owens' "findings."

Owen is long on the gab and short on credentials. Apparantly, his formost qualification is a bad attitude.


# posted by Pat Lynch : 9:48 PM
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[FDInLaw]

This part of the Courier article confuses me: "According to the order -- also signed by 5th Judicial Prosecutor David Gibbons and Jones' defense counsel Michael Robbins and Kenneth Johnson -- allowing the media to continue to cover Jones' case would "impair the ability to seat a fair and impartial jury." Surely, it is not saying that the media can not continue to cover the case? I’m probably just reading too much into the wording (and it wouldn’t be the first time).

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
That's an interesting thought! What exactly was Glenn Owen's take on the case? Was it me or did he describe someone other than Kevin?

I don't get it!

The person described in the profile was very different from Kevin, some sort of marginalized loser and possible stranger to Nona. Go back and read gentilben's recent posts. There are striking similarities IMO. Is it possible, that back in February when Glen Owen submitted his profile to the Courier, he was disappointed that they did not publish it? And, as a means to be heard, Glenn got on here as gentilben? Just some thoughts, JMHO.

Regarding the lack of reaction to the articles; there were several things that struck me as bizarre, maybe folks just don't know what to make of it all and don't feel confident in posting their thoughts?

With the gag order in place, maybe it's time for a roll call;
FDInLaw, "here"
ValleyGirl, "here"
birdie1, ?
dtbh, ?
gentilben, ???

;)

[dtbh]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Has defense counsel changed?

The defense counsel has not changed. I believe the motion you saw (that was sent to another counsel) was about another Kevin Jones, who was arrested on drug charges.

[ValleyGirl]

Thanks DTBH! Thanks almost funny!

[ValleyGirl]

- Thats -

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
- Thats -

- That's -

;)

(Where is every one?)

[sophiafox]

Thanks~

[FDInLaw]

Where's our Benny Boo-boo? If he is Glenn Owen, according to the Courier article, he is NOT official counsel for either legal team (if I'm not mistaken).

:rolleyes:

[Lobsters]

FD,,,,I thought you were gonna be gagged???

:tongue: :lol:


(why the heck isn't this up in current crimes forum??)

[Amy]

Originally posted by Lobsters
FD,,,,I thought you were gonna be gagged???

:tongue: :lol:


(why the heck isn't this up in current crimes forum??)

I don't understand the move, either. Even when someone put a new thread on a young missing woman, THAT thread was moved to it's own titled thread. It seems Nona's case is the only one listed under this board.....why not at least title it with her name?

Oh, well, I am sure there was a reason behind this?

[2lakes]

I'm with all of you too. I liked this forum in the old location. Only those of us who have followed this case all along will ever come to discuss it in the current location.

My vote.... move it back to current crimes!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for requesting a new forum, Freshwater!
:seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Lobsters
FD,,,,I thought you were gonna be gagged???

:tongue: :lol:


(why the heck isn't this up in current crimes forum??)

Hey Lobsters!

Yeah, I'm endanger of losing my badge any day now! (He, he, he!)

Where is our fine feathered friend these days? I'm still irritated that I called his(?) bluff and he just ignored me.


:chicken:

[FDInLaw]

Where is everyone these days?

:confused:

[ValleyGirl]

I'm here - things have been quiet lately

Did Kevin's parents business sell?

[sophiafox]

Guess the gag order got a lot of the people or their ID was found out and they were asked to shut up??

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
I'm here - things have been quiet lately

Did Kevin's parents business sell?

Their business was/is for sale? Any word on why?

[Amy]

That's what I was wondering. Had they been in the process of selling their business before the murder, or did the arrest of their son have anything to do with their decision?

[ValleyGirl]

Moore & Co - a local realty company had/has it listed. I'm not sure if it sold or what but it was listed in the paper (for sale) several times.

Logically, you'd think they were selling because of the press and maybe because of mounting legal fees. Who knows I'm just speculating.

It's just another sad revelation of this situation. If Kevin is guilty he should be so ashamed for putting his family through this and man up ad confess. If only things were that simple.

Totally off the subject but...
The guy in jail in Colorado that has confessed to 48 murders (unconfirmed by authorities) - could he have been the person that kidnapped Morgan Nick? They have confirmed 1 death in Arkansas that he is responsible for and he has said there are 4 more in Arkansas. What are your thoughts?

[FDInLaw]

Here is a link for the Jones Gas Station that's for sale. . .

http://www.tmoorerealtors.com/idx.asp (Under property type hit “business opportunities” then the next button. . . look for number 06-1080).

I agree with you Valley Girl, if Kevin is guilty it is a crying shame what he is putting his family through. There are no end of people that wish he would just admit to what he has done (if in fact he did murder Nona).

For Nona and her loved ones. . . you are not forgotten!

:rose:

[sophiafox]

I think he should take a leaf out of mark hackings book. Just plead guilty and get it over with for everyone and save your family tons of money.

But then if he killed Nona then that would show he is selfish. You wouldnt expect a selfish person to care about his family or community.

I just wish the would hurry up and get on with it!

[ValleyGirl]

The owner of the cafe where Kevin worked/works was killed tonight in a car wreck on I-40. Paul Eells the voice of the Arkansas Razorbacks was also killed. Please say a prayer for the families.

[sophiafox]

It is always so hard for the passing of a loved one. Car accidents are one of the things I fear with my kids driving. They can drive perfect and do nothing wrong and then Poof! Life has been changed.

I pray for the well being and peace for these families

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
The owner of the cafe where Kevin worked/works was killed tonight in a car wreck on I-40. Paul Eells the voice of the Arkansas Razorbacks was also killed. Please say a prayer for the families.

Tragic news. . . saying prayers for their loved ones!

:rose:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
The owner of the cafe where Kevin worked/works was killed tonight in a car wreck on I-40. Paul Eells the voice of the Arkansas Razorbacks was also killed. Please say a prayer for the families.

There doesn't seem to be anything about this on the internet yet. If anyone sees something please post it here. Thanks!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


There doesn't seem to be anything about this on the internet yet. If anyone sees something please post it here. Thanks!

I found this. . .

"Voice of the Razorbacks Dies in Car Accident
Tuesday August 01, 2006 1:04am Posted By: Patrick Green

Russellville, Pope County -
Paul Eells, the "voice of the Razorbacks" whose trademark "Touchdown, Arkansas!" call endeared him to generations of sports fans, is dead after a head-oncollision on Interstate 40 at Russellville. State police said the accident last night at 8:13 pm also took the life of the other driver, Billy J. Burton of Dover.

The 70-year-old Eells had served as sports director of Little Rock television station KATV for nearly three decades and also delivered play-by-play coverage of Arkansas Razorbacks football and basketball for radio and television.

A police report said Eells' car, eastbound near the Arkansas 331 exit from I-40, crossed the median and collided in the westbound lanes with a car driven by the 40-year-old Burton.

The report said she and Eells were both pronounced dead at the scene of the accident.

Eells was returning to his home at Little Rock after participating in a golf tournament for sports figures and the media at Fayetteville.

Paul Eells was 70 years old. "

To read the rest of the article follow this link:

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0806/349055.html

[hawgustusgloop]

FDInLaw,

I heard about this accident last night around 10:00 p.m. from a Razorbacks message board my husband is addicted to. He just thought it was awful. I didn't know the other person was the owner of that diner, though. Thanks for posting this.

:rose: For both families

[FDInLaw]

According to the Dover Times, the Burtons recently sold the Bayou Bridge Café. . .

http://www.atkinschronicle.com/dov-memories.html
(Look in the upper lefthand corner under "news")

Does anyone have any insight into all this? Has business been bad due to Kevin Jones? It seems like more than a mere coincidence that both the Café and the Jones' gas station were both on the market at the same time. Do these folks usually turnover businesses often?

[Amy]

I can't get to the story at all. No matter how many times on click on Burton sells cafe, I get something about Hector.

Kind of like my local paper on line. The other stories didn't all match, either.

Sad about the sportscaster, and the diner owner.

[FDInLaw]

Amy, the link on The Dover Times page did not work for me either. I was just trying to point out the brief statement it makes. It would be nice if there was an actual article.

:seeya:

[janetlynn]

This just what I think!
There seems to be two explanations for Kevin’s actions that day of acting like he was so concerned and bringing people with him to her house.
1) He did kill her, sent the text message saying she loved him to his cell after and before he left her apt. to make their relationshop seem ok, he then waited a few hours and continued calling her to show concern and reason for wanting to go back over there, asked his mom and friend to go with him and explained his concern being that he couldn’t get ahold of her and possibly mentioned she had been depressed or stressed and that this worried him because she had been a “cutter” and he didn’t want her to harm herself somehow. His mom’s explanation on the phone to 911 made me think of that because she called it an “accident” possibly referring to her self inflicting wound to herself out of stress, not wanting to commit suicide, but it went too far and so she thought she had accidentally hurt herself more than intended. He brought people with him to make sure that they didn’t suspect him, closing the gap so to speak on suspicions of him doing it if he had been alone when he found her.
2) He didn’t do it and was still concerned about her possibly injuring herself so he wanted to check on her. He was extra concerned because he did get the simple message saying “I love you” from her and after not being able to get ahold of her thought it to be some kind of “cry for help”

Isn't it odd for him to bring people with him if he was concerned about her. I would think that he would have just gone over to see if everything was alright. The cell phone could have been on vibrate for all he knew, since she was supposed to be taking finals that day. Unless she had expressed to him that she was depressed or thinking of cutting herself for some reason and we haven’t heard about it yet.
Kevin seems more focused on making sure noone says anything to anyone about any information they have. Most people in this situation would be screaming for people with info to come forward to cops or reporters, just to get the word out.
:confused:

[sophiafox]

if the death of his boss will hinder the start of the trial?

I know they said he was working for his parents in the gas station but did he also have that job as well?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by sophiafox
if the death of his boss will hinder the start of the trial?

I don't see how it would change the trial date.

Was BJ on the witness list?

[FDInLaw]

BJ Burton is on the list of witnesses in the Motion for Discovery. I wonder how significant her testamony was.

:confused:

[ValleyGirl]

The Russellville Police are in hot water lately. Do you think this will impact Kevin's trial?

[sophiafox]

what is the trial date and will it be on tv?

[Amy]

Originally posted by sophiafox
if the death of his boss will hinder the start of the trial?

I know they said he was working for his parents in the gas station but did he also have that job as well?

The newspaper article that is on the "Who is Kevin Jones" thread, from right after his arrest says that he had recently returned to his job at the restaurant.

[Amy]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
The Russellville Police are in hot water lately. Do you think this will impact Kevin's trial?

What are they in hot water for?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Amy
What are they in hot water for?

Amy, this is what is being referred to. . .

Story Date: Tuesday, August 1, 2006

Rylee's family demands justice

By Brooke Vermillion
Reporter
Initial reports from the RUSSELLVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT following the July 15 incident in which a 61-year-old man and two police officers were injured describe a man so belligerent he had to be subdued with pepper spray and "other physical tactics" before he could be taken to the Pope County jail.
But on Monday afternoon, a much different picture was painted of Bobby Joe Rylee. A picture of a man who helped his three daughters make homes of their own, helped his neighbors in their times of need, and would give anyone the "shirt off his back."
Those emotional descriptions were given near the Pope County courthouse entrance Monday by Rylee's three daughters -- Suzy Turnbow of Pottsville, Christie Tanner of Florida, and Sandy Krout of Russellville.
"It's hard enough just to lose our father, but to know that somebody took him from us is more than we can handle," Krout said, explaining her father's severe neck and spinal-cord injuries to the crowd. "Bob Rylee's death was deviant, and those responsible know it. For that, our hearts and our souls are not only mourning, but we're seeking justice for a crime that should not have been committed."
Turnbow said several people in the community have expressed their concerns about the incident, and she added the family still asks the same questions of "why" and "how."
"Our children are asking us, 'How could this happen to Papa Bob?'" Turnbow said of Rylee's 11 grandchildren. "Why was our family not contacted for over seven hours after he was beaten? Why were Russellville police officers treated for their ball-point pen and knee injuries while Bob Rylee was left to suffer and die? Our hearts melt to think this could ever happen to your family members.
"Our dad taught his girls to stand up for what is right, and that is exactly what we intend to do. When those who are called to protect and to serve commit such violent actions, it should be a wake-up call for each member of the community, and to our nation as a whole."
Paul Tanner, Christie's husband, asked that the prosecuting attorney hand the case over to the state investigators for review.
"Regardless of what the chief of police stated, this was no scuffle," he said. "This was the violent beating of our 61-year-old father, and it happened in your back yard."
Krout asked anyone in community who knew Rylee or anyone who has had similar problems with Russellville law enforcement officers e-mail the family at justiceforbob@hotmail.com.

To read the entire article go to: http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=12207&Search=russellville%20police%20department
There is more about this situation in the Courier archives.

[hawgustusgloop]

Does anyone have any reason to believe that any cops involved with Nona's case are also involved in this incident/possible coverup? I know it's not exactly a huge police department.

Does anyone think this will matter at Kevin's trial?

Once again, thank you for finding and posting this article, FDInLaw. I follow the news daily, but I always seem to miss stuff!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by hawgustusgloop
Does anyone have any reason to believe that any cops involved with Nona's case are also involved in this incident/possible coverup? I know it's not exactly a huge police department.

Does anyone think this will matter at Kevin's trial?

Once again, thank you for finding and posting this article, FDInLaw. I follow the news daily, but I always seem to miss stuff!

From what I've read, the identity of the officers involved in the Rylee incident is not public knowledge yet. The response to the motion for discovery does list the officers that will be called to testify in the State's case against Kevin Jones. We will have to watch the news and see if any of them were involved with this. Obviously, this incident could hurt the credibility of the officers involved if an investigation does find them at fault. Hopefully this situation will be cleared up before Kevin's trial.

For the Rylee Family and all involved. . .
:rose:

[hawgustusgloop]

I wonder if Kevin (if he's guilty, of course) sent the "U Alive" text message to support some kind of "Nona's depressed/possibly suicidal/I was worried and wanted to check on her" alibi scenario or......

I wonder if he knew he really hurt her but wasn't positive she was dead (maybe he thought he should get the heck out of there ASAP) and wanted to make sure she wasn't awake and ready to identify him as her attacker when he came by with other people.

[hawgustusgloop]

The officers involved in the incident that resulted in Bobby Joe Rylee's death have been exonerated.

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5269765

[Amy]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


From what I've read, the identity of the officers involved in the Rylee incident is not public knowledge yet. The response to the motion for discovery does list the officers that will be called to testify in the State's case against Kevin Jones. We will have to watch the news and see if any of them were involved with this. Obviously, this incident could hurt the credibility of the officers involved if an investigation does find them at fault. Hopefully this situation will be cleared up before Kevin's trial.

For the Rylee Family and all involved. . .
:rose:

Thanks for the info.

Sure hope it doesn't affect Nona's case.

[Amy]

Sure is quiet in here. Guess that means no new developments? After the fiascos (or circuses) of some of the cases, I can see the need for gag orders--but it sure puts one on pins and needles to see how things are going!!!!

[sophiafox]

This is one of the more sane cases and i wish we could hear more with the trial so far away.

I guess it is better for the court but not for me! :-)

Anyone know the date of the trial?

[hawgustusgloop]

Originally posted by sophiafox


Anyone know the date of the trial?

If I recall correctly, the trial is set to begin January 16.

[sophiafox]

That is a long way away. Tough to keep things quite that long. At least the Kevin supports have not attacked. It is okay to have an opinion but to try to shove it down everyones throat or attack others just because they dont agree with you is wrong.

IMO it is a strong case. I don't think he went there to kill her. I think they got into a fight because she was breaking away from him and he struck out like a child. IMO. And he worked backward to cover his tracks from there. I think he didnt know for real if she was dead from the attack and that he ran out after he hit her on the head... hence the text message "U alive"? When police didnt come to find him (for beating her up and her reporting it) he then begin to think maybe he killed her. He didnt want to find the body alone because maybe he is a chicken that way. ( I would be! ) and he needed witnesses.

I don't live there and I dont know anyone involved personally but it just fits. I would be surprised if they found someone else who did this.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by sophiafox
That is a long way away. Tough to keep things quite that long. At least the Kevin supports have not attacked. It is okay to have an opinion but to try to shove it down everyones throat or attack others just because they dont agree with you is wrong.


I'm not convinced that they haven't attacked. The rumors about the mayor's son, etc seem to suggest otherwise in my mind. JMO

[sophiafox]

they have been quite on this board. Maybe the ran out of words they could spell? They seemed pretty active on the pageant board until all were reminded that its not lady like to talk about murder or bad about someone else.

[hawgustusgloop]

Originally posted by sophiafox
Maybe the ran out of words they could spell?
:lol:

Although that never stopped them before!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by sophiafox
they have been quite on this board. Maybe the ran out of words they could spell? They seemed pretty active on the pageant board until all were reminded that its not lady like to talk about murder or bad about someone else.

I'm no where near spelling perfection. . . but I find your comment here hilarious!

:cool:

[sophiafox]

:D

Glad we can get something out of this until the trial starts. I really really dislike gag orders. It is just not in my genes to keep quite and not talk about something. Never could keep a secret!

Maybe I will have to visit the pageant board again... at least I could learn how to look younger and act nicer!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by sophiafox
:D

Glad we can get something out of this until the trial starts. I really really dislike gag orders. It is just not in my genes to keep quite and not talk about something. Never could keep a secret!

Maybe I will have to visit the pageant board again... at least I could learn how to look younger and act nicer!

Don't think the pageant board is a good place to learn manners. . . that place is a regular cat house!

:lol:

[Morbidly_Lovely]

I, too, am disappointed the board has slowed down to a crawl. I don't live in Arkansas, and I had never even heard of this case until I happened cross it on the Court TV message board information. I admit, it's a fascinating case with all of the elements of a great fiction movie; unfortunately, for all involved, it's not fiction but a real-life tragedy.

I noticed quite a few of you are from Russellville, and after having spent so much time reading the story of Nona and Kevin, I'm curious about something.

What's life lilke in Russellville, Arkansas? I know this is off-topic but I'm hoping it will give us something semi-case-related to talk while we await the trial in January.

Just for the record, I must admit that I've perused many message boards, not just the ones on Court TV, and you are undoubtedly the most functional, literate group of posters I've ever encountered. I enjoy reading each and every one of your posts.

:D

[FDInLaw]

Welcome to the thread! I think you're right, there should be something we could all chat about while we wait for the trial. I don't live in Russellville, but I do have occasion to go there. . . what kinds of things would you be interested in knowing?


:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

I went to Arkansas Tech there about 10 years ago. I liked it there. I check this thread regularly and would be glad to answer any questions as well. I live about an hour away from there now, though.

[sophiafox]

Thats why I dont go to Arkansas! :D
I just wish he would stay there!

Looks like he and Kevin (or the real killer) would get along great! Both thinking they would never get caught. Thing is my ex never got "caught" just finally divorced. Anyway I will follow Arkansas from this message board!

IMO

[ValleyGirl]

Subpeonas were sent out to what seems like every officer in Russellville. I guess every cop in town was at the scene that night! The subpeonas are for January 16 - January 26. The courthouse will be packed. Peters Furniture will probably charge for parking or rope off their parking lot. Get ready for the circus!

I heard thru the rumor mill that Kevin's family hired a PI. Is there anyone who can confirm or deny that?

Not much else is going on around here!
On a lighter note - Go Hogs!

[sophiafox]

is probrably on the golf course looking for the "real killer" IMO

Go Gators!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
>snip<
I heard thru the rumor mill that Kevin's family hired a PI. Is there anyone who can confirm or deny that?

>snip<

Oh, please! Don't tell me it is one of the jokers that's been on here. I can only take so much!

:biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by sophiafox
is probrably on the golf course looking for the "real killer" IMO

Go Gators!

:lol:

GO HOGS!

[Morbidly_Lovely]

Well, I'm curious as to the differences in west coast and southern lifestyles. Having never been beyond Texas, and that was when I was a child, I really am ignorant about what the other side of our country has to offer. I'm told the lifestyle is much more scaled back and relaxed out your way and things still have a 'small-town' feel. In Russellville or the adjoining communities, what's a typical relaxing weekend like? What's the job market like (I'm in the medical field)? What's the median price of a home? Any particularly interesting tourist type attractions? Just general 'touristy' questions, I suppose, but I really am interested, and you all seem like a great group to have some intelligent conversations with. :cool:

[hawgustusgloop]

I would describe Russellville as a large small town. It's about an hour away on either side from the decent-sized (by Arkansas standards) cities of Little Rock and Fort Smith. It's the biggest town in its area and is surrounded by a lot of little communities. When I lived there, housing was pretty cheap. There's a college there, but it's probably not what you'd think of a typical college town. It's in a dry county, and there's not a lot of crime.

[FDInLaw]

Is anyone here following the Casey Crowder case? There is a thread for her on Current Crimes. Curious to see what the outcome is . . . wondering if it was someone she knew or if it is possible that there is a serial killer out there. If the latter is found, Kevin's defense team might use it to their advantage. JMO

[FDInLaw]

Guess they have a suspect in the Casey Crowder case. No arrest yet though.

http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles/2006/09/05/ap-state-ar/d8jv2v800.txt

[hawgustusgloop]

Love them Hawgs! They're winning! It's a lot easier when you're not playing USC!

[Lyndi5]

Was it actiually ever confirmed that Nona sent a text message to Kevin saying "I Love you"?

[Shra]

New to the board, but wanted to post on this subject.
I live in Utah and never heard about this case until I stumbled across it and this web board last night. I was so intrigued by it I read all the posts on this site and many others.

Such a sad story. Nona was beautiful and from what I read she was sweet, smart and had a bright future ahead of her. I cannot wait to see how this plays out in court.

IMHO I think that KJ is guilty, but I am basing that on the evidence that I have read about. Even when I first googled the story and read about taking 2 people with him to the house and the way he acted there I felt he was guilty.

I hope that there is JUSTICE for Nona in January.

Will the trial be on Court TV? Anyone heard?

:seeya:

[bialym]

I'm going to venture a few guesses here, this is all my opinion so please no one take it as factual.

The thing about losing the key to enter through the back door still plagues me. What was his reason for entering the back door? I have a half-baked theory of what may have happened that day. Its possible that Kevin showed up at Nona's house unexpectedly. They had been having problems regarding their relationship for some time, he had a nagging feeling that she had been seeing someone on the side. He knocks on the door, she doesn't answer. Maybe she's upstairs getting ready for a shower, has only a towel on, which would explain her nudity. He walks around to the back door and places his hands on the back door peering inside. She comes downstairs, sees him, and motions to let him in the front door. Once inside they argue, not horribly, but he takes a look at her cell phone and sees a text message that he opens. Maybe it makes him angry. A little while later he sees the greeting card, looks at it. Maybe all of this is grating on his paranoia. They fight, her towel falls off, he grabs the lamp and hits her with it. Now he doesn't know quite what to do. He tries to revive her a bit to no avail. He is worried about his prints on the back door now. He grabs the stick out of the door so when he returns he can push open the back door, thus explaining his fingerprints there in the first place. He grabs her towel and cleans up any blood his may have on his person. Later he worries that she's not really dead. He has a friend check up on her and sends her a message asking if she's "alive." Then he makes sure to have others there when he goes back into the apartment, pushing open the door, and touching the body. The only thing he forget to do in his error was touch the lamp afterwards.

This is of course all speculation. But I am pretty certain that he is the killer, the prints on the lamp are too damning.

Anyway, this is my first post and I hope I don't bother anyone with my speculation, this is purely just that. I just would like to see the whole picture - why was she nude with no sexual assault? Why was the entry at the back door necessary? Who was the greeting card from and why was it necessary to touch it?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Shra
New to the board, but wanted to post on this subject.
I live in Utah and never heard about this case until I stumbled across it and this web board last night. I was so intrigued by it I read all the posts on this site and many others.

Such a sad story. Nona was beautiful and from what I read she was sweet, smart and had a bright future ahead of her. I cannot wait to see how this plays out in court.

IMHO I think that KJ is guilty, but I am basing that on the evidence that I have read about. Even when I first googled the story and read about taking 2 people with him to the house and the way he acted there I felt he was guilty.

I hope that there is JUSTICE for Nona in January.

Will the trial be on Court TV? Anyone heard?

:seeya:


Welcome to the case, Shra!

:seeya:

The way Kevin went to check on Nona with people in tow strikes me as orchestrated as well. We will have to wait for the trial though to know for sure. For instance, the party he was going to, did he set that up with his mom that day or was it pre-planned? Lots of questions. . . can't wait for the answers!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Lyndi5
Was it actiually ever confirmed that Nona sent a text message to Kevin saying "I Love you"?

Good question! I don't know.

[Amy]

Originally posted by bialym


snip.......
Anyway, this is my first post and I hope I don't bother anyone with my speculation, this is purely just that. I just would like to see the whole picture - why was she nude with no sexual assault? Why was the entry at the back door necessary? Who was the greeting card from and why was it necessary to touch it?

Welcome aboard!!! All speculation is welcome. With the gag order on, it's not like we have anything else to go on. ;)

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by bialym
>SNIP<
Anyway, this is my first post and I hope I don't bother anyone with my speculation, this is purely just that. I just would like to see the whole picture - why was she nude with no sexual assault? Why was the entry at the back door necessary? Who was the greeting card from and why was it necessary to touch it?

Your speculation is welcome here - that's what this thread is for!

:seeya:

The nudity but no assault has plagued my mind too. . . and has made me more convinced that it must have been Kevin. JMO Other possible scenarios. . . Nona put up too much of a fight or maybe the person heard someone outside and panicked? I have difficultly focusing on the last moments . . . no woman should have to leave this earth that way. Your speculation about the back door is thought-provoking! I hadn’t thought of all those possibilities.

[hawgustusgloop]

Originally posted by Lyndi5
Was it actiually ever confirmed that Nona sent a text message to Kevin saying "I Love you"?

I thought that maybe it was confirmed early on that the text message was sent from her phone to his, but not confirmed that it was Nona who typed it in?

I'll try to go back and :read:

[bialym]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


Your speculation is welcome here - that's what this thread is for!

:seeya:

The nudity but no assault has plagued my mind too. . . and has made me more convinced that it must have been Kevin. JMO Other possible scenarios. . . Nona put up too much of a fight or maybe the person heard someone outside and panicked? I have difficultly focusing on the last moments . . . no woman should have to leave this earth that way. Your speculation about the back door is thought-provoking! I hadn’t thought of all those possibilities.

Thanks! That is the main thing also that leads me to believe that it was Kevin. I have never heard anything in regards to her nudity, as in if she was forced to disrobe by her perpetrator. From what I know, her clothes were not found around her. From that you can somewhat speculate that she wasn't forced to disrobe by her killer, that she was already unclothed when she let her killer in, since there was no evidence of forced entry. Who would you let in to your apartment if you were not clothed, or wearing a towel? Your long-term boyfriend, maybe your best friend, maybe your mother. Those are the only ones I can think of off-hand. You also (probably) wouldn't be wandering around the house completely nude, especially if people can see in through the backdoor. Being a victim of sexual molestation in the past she probably wasn't the type to walk around naked in her house where people could see (this is all speculation of course). I would assume she was probably in a towel, about to shower, and the killer took the towel with him (which probably fell off in a skirmish) to clean off his hands and face. Otherwise the nudity doesn't make sense, since this was obviously not a sex crime.

[ValleyGirl]

The greeting card was from Nona's mom. It has been said that the card is not related to anything other than Kevin touched it.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by Shra
Will the trial be on Court TV? Anyone heard?

:seeya:

Anyone know if cameras would be allowed in the courtroom? I too would like to see this covered on Court tv.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by 2lakes


Anyone know if cameras would be allowed in the courtroom? I too would like to see this covered on Court tv.

Me three!

:seeya:

[Danny]

Glenn Owen has never posted on this board.
I have his e-mail address.
I think what he was trying to say in his profile is that the killer is a cross between disorganized/organized.
Organized killers leave the body in remote areas like in the woods or bodies of water to destroy evidence.
There smart when it comes to evidence.
Like in the Caey Crowder case the crime scene indicates a organized killer killed Casey.
Abducted her from one scene took her to a remote area sexually assaulted her then killed her and placed her body in a very remote area in order to destroy evidence.
Casey case will be a sex crime imo.
Disorganized killers get mad and kill and do not try to hide the body and usually leave a lot of evidence ref: Nona's case.
There not to smart.
Owen thinks the crime scene in Nona's case indicates a disorganized killer but if evidence was tampered with it could indicate a cross between organized and disorganized.
In other words the killer tried to tamper with evidence indicateing he's smarter than a disorganized killer.
He's some where in between organized/disoragnized.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Danny
Glenn Owen has never posted on this board.
I have his e-mail address.
I think what he was trying to say in his profile is that the killer is a cross between disorganized/organized.
Organized killers leave the body in remote areas like in the woods or bodies of water to destroy evidence.
There smart when it comes to evidence.
Like in the Caey Crowder case the crime scene indicates a organized killer killed Casey.
Abducted her from one scene took her to a remote area sexually assaulted her then killed her and placed her body in a very remote area in order to destroy evidence.
Casey case will be a sex crime imo.
Disorganized killers get mad and kill and do not try to hide the body and usually leave a lot of evidence ref: Nona's case.
There not to smart.
Owen thinks the crime scene in Nona's case indicates a disorganized killer but if evidence was tampered with it could indicate a cross between organized and disorganized.
In other words the killer tried to tamper with evidence indicateing he's smarter than a disorganized killer.
He's some where in between organized/disoragnized.

Welcome to the board, Danny!

I find it curious that you brought up Glen Owen. . . it's been ages since he's been mentioned on here. Didn't quite follow you're statement though . . . because you have his e-mail address you know that he has not posted on here? Does that mean you e-mailed and asked him?

I follow your statement about organized vs. disorganized. My personal take? The crime scene was set up to look disorganized. But, do to the lack of mistakes usually found on a disorganized crime scene, it points to the one person that organized it. . . Kevin Jones. JMO


:seeya:

[Shra]

With the gag order in place, can reporters be in the court room?

[Amy]

Originally posted by Shra
With the gag order in place, can reporters be in the court room?

If I understand things correctly, the gag order is to cut down on the hulabaloo and speculations and declarations of people (some who may be involved, some who may not be involved, or know those involved) to be printed in the daily newspapers and aired on the tv/radio. Which can be a good thing--a lot of misinformation can get out if everyone just ups and says things, whether true or not.

It does not preclude reporters from attending and reporting on the trial itself.

[Danny]

Yes, I e-mail with him and I asked him about his profile of Nona's case. He profiled the Brooke Willberger case in Oregon and was right on.
FBI, Police thought a Korean by the name of Kim Sung was the killer but Glenn Owen stated he didn't think Kim abducted Brooke.
Police arrested Kim with over 500 pairs of womens panties and pornography.
He was in the area when Brooke was abducted and was there primary suspect but Owen didn't think it was him.
He said the killer was an organized serial killer and described his psychological profile.
A year later a man was arrested in Arizona for abducting a college student. She was able to get away and contacted police.
Brooks blood was found in his van and he had been in Oregon where Brooke was abducted that day.
Brooke's body has never been found.
I've read many of his profiles.
His profile is simple on Nona's case.
He advised it appeared to be a disoraganized crime scene ref: location of body, cause of death and murder weapon found in crime scene.
On the other hand if police are right and evidence was tampered with then that would indicate a more organized type killer (smarter) than the usual disorganized killer.

[FDInLaw]

It’s been months since I last read Glen’s profile for this case. If I remember right, he did it before the arrest with the evidence that was available to the public at the time. . . which wasn’t much. If that is the case, I’m wondering if his opinion has changed at all. Some have asserted that it was probably a stranger that murdered Nona. . . yet there was no sign of forced entry or sexual assault. Also, aren’t disorganized killers known for their stupid mistakes? All the physical evidence at the site seems to point to Kevin Jones. . . if it were a disorganized stranger wouldn’t there be evidence that pointed to that? You’re thoughts here are appreciated, Danny. Thanks in advance.

- FD

:seeya:

[Danny]

Disoeganized killers are usually high school drop out.
Come from broken families and live with an older relative.
They usually work low paying jobs because they do not have a trade or education.
They will kill in there own neighberhood, they get mad and kill they don't try to hide evidence or the body.
They leave a lot of evidence.

Organized killers are a lot smarter.
They follow police tactics.
Usually kill in one place and dumped the body in a remote area to destroy evidence like in Casey Crowders case.

Organize/Disorganize killers show both characteristics.

What evidence do they have on Kevin?
A bloody parcial palm print on the light bulb.
How can you swing a standing light fixture with enoygh force to kill holding the light bulb?
They better have better evidence than that.
They need the clothing he was wearing when Nona was murdered.
That clothing will have blood spatter all over it.
I find it very difficult to beleive that Kevin would have returned to the scene of the crime wearing the same clothing.
THEY BETTER HAVE GOOD EVIDENCE!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Danny
Disoeganized killers are usually high school drop out.
Come from broken families and live with an older relative.
They usually work low paying jobs because they do not have a trade or education.
They will kill in there own neighberhood, they get mad and kill they don't try to hide evidence or the body.
They leave a lot of evidence.

Organized killers are a lot smarter.
They follow police tactics.
Usually kill in one place and dumped the body in a remote area to destroy evidence like in Casey Crowders case.

Organize/Disorganize killers show both characteristics.

What evidence do they have on Kevin?
A bloody parcial palm print on the light bulb.
How can you swing a standing light fixture with enoygh force to kill holding the light bulb?
They better have better evidence than that.
They need the clothing he was wearing when Nona was murdered.
That clothing will have blood spatter all over it.
I find it very difficult to beleive that Kevin would have returned to the scene of the crime wearing the same clothing.
THEY BETTER HAVE GOOD EVIDENCE!

So, what is your gut on this case? Who (or what kind of killer) do you believe the evidence points to?

[Danny]

My Gut Felling??
Lawyers love that term Gut feeling.
Doug Moulder tore a Atlanta Police Officer up with gut feeling on the Butts Triple Homicides.
Russellville Police think Kevin tampered with evidence.
I've never seen any of the crime scene photos or video so I don't know if he tampered with evidence or not.
The crime scene appears to be that of a disorganized killer but if evidence was tampered with it would indicate a cross between organized/disorganized and Kevin would fit that profile.
You mentioned NO forced entry.
That is interesting but what about NO sexual assault?
Nona was a lovely young lady and the only reson why (motive) someone would kill her would be to sexually assault her (sex crime).
But Nona was not sexually assaulted but she was nude.
Why was she nude?
Did the killer pull her pants down to humiliate her or was she already undressed.
The light fixture should have more prints on it than the light bulb.
His clothing should have blood spatter not blood smudges where he held Nona.
If they don't have good evidence the kind I described Gibbons will have hard time getting Kevin convicted in a criminal court of law.
I do like kevin for the crime but it's not my job to say anyone is guilty that's the job of a jury.
All I'm saying is they better have good evidence.
Nona's murder appears to be a rage killing.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Danny
>SNIP<
Nona's murder appears to be a rage killing.

That's part of why I lean toward believing Kevin is responsible. Sex isn't the only possible motive. And, in a rage killing it's more often than not someone very close to the victim. Like you, I'm anxious to know if the prosecutor has more physical evidence on Kevin.

[Amy]

Originally posted by Danny
My Gut Felling??
Lawyers love that term Gut feeling.
Doug Moulder tore a Atlanta Police Officer up with gut feeling on the Butts Triple Homicides.
Russellville Police think Kevin tampered with evidence.
I've never seen any of the crime scene photos or video so I don't know if he tampered with evidence or not.
The crime scene appears to be that of a disorganized killer but if evidence was tampered with it would indicate a cross between organized/disorganized and Kevin would fit that profile.
You mentioned NO forced entry.
That is interesting but what about NO sexual assault?
Nona was a lovely young lady and the only reson why (motive) someone would kill her would be to sexually assault her (sex crime).
But Nona was not sexually assaulted but she was nude.
Why was she nude?
Did the killer pull her pants down to humiliate her or was she already undressed.
The light fixture should have more prints on it than the light bulb.
His clothing should have blood spatter not blood smudges where he held Nona.
If they don't have good evidence the kind I described Gibbons will have hard time getting Kevin convicted in a criminal court of law.
I do like kevin for the crime but it's not my job to say anyone is guilty that's the job of a jury.
All I'm saying is they better have good evidence.
Nona's murder appears to be a rage killing.

The no forced entry and the no sexual assault makes me think it is not the crime of a stranger.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Danny
>SNIP<That is interesting but what about NO sexual assault?
Nona was a lovely young lady and the only reson why (motive) someone would kill her would be to sexually assault her (sex crime).
But Nona was not sexually assaulted but she was nude.
Why was she nude?
Did the killer pull her pants down to humiliate her or was she already undressed.>SNIP<

Maybe the killer stripped her down to make it look like a sex crime?

:shrug:

[Danny]

Like the Martha Moxley murder.
Disorganized killers sometimes humiliate the victim.
Evidence is left behind like in Martha's case with the golf club.
The crime scene in Nona's case appears to be disorganized.
The big question is did Kevin tamper with evidence?

[ValleyGirl]

In my opinion, and I guess this is likely with all trials. If the jury can be made to understand reasonable doubt, I feel that Kevin will not be convicted for 1st Degree Murder. If he is convicted, I feel that he will be convicted on 2nd degree. On the flip side though, this is a very small town with close ties and opinions. I can also see a jury convicting on emotion. I dunno, we shall see.

Has anyone heard if a jury consultant has been retained?

[FDInLaw]

Today’s Courier has an article about this. . . here is the list of RPD officers mentioned:

"Bacon and officers Terry Cobb, Lee Goemmer, Keith Spears, Bobby Stevens and Todd Winesburg, along with Winters, jail supervisor Luke Sawdy and other unidentified officers were all specifically named in the suit."

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=12603

Are any of these on the list to testify in Nona's case?

[Lyndi5]

If Nona and Kevin were having problems I would find it unlikely she would allow him inside if she was not dressed. Now was it said a condom package was also found in the apartment? Now if you think about it I would say that maybe sexual activity had taken place at some point or was going to take place and something happened. I would speculate that perhaps Kevin arrived and just missed something but eventually realized it and became full of anger. Now here is one theory that could be possible and that is Nona and another person became involved in sexual activity and Kevin arrives just missing the person but barely. Kevin knocks on the door and Nona thinks it is the person that just left because most likely it has only been 2 or 3 minutes since the person left so while she is not dressed she is not worried about it but is shocked when she realizes it is Kevin but she still lets him in and he figures everything out and is angry and things get out of hand. She could have sent him the I love you message as a method of reverse psychology and to give him a false sense of security about the relationship but instead he takes it the wrong way and shows up which is not what she wanted at all. Another theory could be she sent the I love you message and meant it and intended on Kevin coming and things could have been headed in a romantic direction but he becomes suspicious something is up and becomes angry.

[Shra]

Originally posted by Amy


If I understand things correctly, the gag order is to cut down on the hulabaloo and speculations and declarations of people (some who may be involved, some who may not be involved, or know those involved) to be printed in the daily newspapers and aired on the tv/radio. Which can be a good thing--a lot of misinformation can get out if everyone just ups and says things, whether true or not.

It does not preclude reporters from attending and reporting on the trial itself.


Thanks for the info!

[oxfordwebster]

There's a new article in the Courier about the case, claiming that the prosecutor won't turn over evidence about a third party being responsible for the murder.

It amuses me that this is even in the paper to begin with, since it adds nothing to the case and it's all he-said, she-said crap.

To me, it just looks like the defense found a way to get in the paper without being direct, and continue their "it was someone else, really!" campaign.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
There's a new article in the Courier about the case, claiming that the prosecutor won't turn over evidence about a third party being responsible for the murder.

It amuses me that this is even in the paper to begin with, since it adds nothing to the case and it's all he-said, she-said crap.

To me, it just looks like the defense found a way to get in the paper without being direct, and continue their "it was someone else, really!" campaign.

Thanks for the heads up, Ox!

Here is part of the article and the link. . .

"Attorneys representing Kevin Jones of Dover are formally requesting certain evidence be handed over to them that they believe could implicate another person in the December 2005 murder of Arkansas Tech University student Nona Dirksmeyer.
In a second formal request filed in Pope County Circuit Court Sept. 18 compelling the district prosecuting attorney’s office to supply additional evidence, the attorneys accuse the office of refusing to hand over interviews and forensic evidence collected from third-party individuals during the Dirksmeyer investigation.
“Several of the items requested were of an exculpatory nature in that they point to the possibility of a third party’s guilt,” the document states. “Such evidence is discoverable and ... the defendant’s right (to) have a meaningful opportunity to present a complete defense includes the ability to present evidence of a third-party’s guilt.”
. . . Robbins and Johnson also accuse the prosecutor of withholding certain physical and forensic evidence for defense expert examination; and “results of physical or mental examinations, scientific tests, experiments or comparisons.”
The attorneys asked that Circuit Judge John Patterson make a decision on when Gibbons should provide the requested evidence. . ."

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=12659

[ValleyGirl]

Do they have another person that they are looking at specifically or are they just throwing caution to the wind?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Do they have another person that they are looking at specifically or are they just throwing caution to the wind?

Kevin's defense team may be pulling some sort of smoke screen stunt here. . . I don't know what is going on. Hopefully we will hear more soon regarding the validity of the claims made.

Justice4Nona!

:rose:

[ValleyGirl]

I honestly believe that this isn't a smoke screen or stunt. There has been little to nothing to write about in the paper. All that has appeared on public record is the subpeonas and they can't publish those. So boom the defense motion appears on public record and it has some bite to it, so it is published.
The paper is trying to sell papers. Putting a huge pic of Kevin on the front page with a semi misleading headline will do just that.
I don't think that the paper is pro defense. I just think that they are trying to make a sale.
I believe that the gag order is working. There's hardly any gossip floating around anymore.

There is a rumor that one of Nona's friends spoke with her much later in the day. This would eliminate the window that they have on Kevin's timeline. Rumor only - has anyone heard the same?

Whatever happened to DTBH?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
>SNIP<
Whatever happened to DTBH?

Good question! It's like he/she has been on vacation!

[ValleyGirl]

Maybe they were bound by the gag order?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Maybe they were bound by the gag order?

Guess we'll have to wait and see if DTBH pops on here again. Thinking back, didn't they post on here after the gag order?

[sophiafox]

the last time I remember them posting was around the arrest time giving us a count down kinda.

Thanks for that btw. January is only 3 months away!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by sophiafox
the last time I remember them posting was around the arrest time giving us a count down kinda.

Thanks for that btw. January is only 3 months away!

"Only?" It seems like it is taking forever. I just really want to see this all over with.

[Mishell1383]

Originally posted by 2lakes


landlady, I thought the same thing. They had dated for over 4 years. Seems like he would have just popped over to her house instead of bringing his mom & friend along because she didn't answer the phone that afternoon. The only thing I can ration is if it was normal for them to talk to each other a number of times during the day so it was unusual when he couldn't reach her.

and she says this is the first time i've been here. that was really fishy! if she went that day you would think it could have been a normal occurence of her showing up at her sons gf's house? Any new updates on this case???:(

[ValleyGirl]

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1006/366706.html

Wasn't he going to leave during the Nona investigation? I remember that he applied for the CoP in Pine Bluff. His wife's family lives in PB.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Mishell1383


and she says this is the first time i've been here. that was really fishy! if she went that day you would think it could have been a normal occurence of her showing up at her sons gf's house? Any new updates on this case???:(

From what I understand, Nona had lived in the apartment for six months or less. In Kevin's Mom's defense, it's not like she had lived there long. You are right though, it's weird that Kevin had people in tow when he went to check on Nona. . . this fact has struck a lot of people as strange. To me it seems orchestrated or “convenient” to say the least. JMO

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/1006/366706.html

Wasn't he going to leave during the Nona investigation? I remember that he applied for the CoP in Pine Bluff. His wife's family lives in PB.

The Courier has a longer article about this as. . . just check archives. I don't know if he was planning to leave during Nona's investigation.

[Mishell1383]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


From what I understand, Nona had lived in the apartment for six months or less. In Kevin's Mom's defense, it's not like she had lived there long. You are right though, it's weird that Kevin had people in tow when he went to check on Nona. . . this fact has struck a lot of people as strange. To me it seems orchestrated or “convenient” to say the least. JMO

yes... convenient.. My thoughts exactly!

[hawgustusgloop]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


From what I understand, Nona had lived in the apartment for six months or less. In Kevin's Mom's defense, it's not like she had lived there long. You are right though, it's weird that Kevin had people in tow when he went to check on Nona. . . this fact has struck a lot of people as strange. To me it seems orchestrated or “convenient” to say the least. JMO

Even more strange to me was the fact that Kevin's mom said that there had been an "accident" in the 911 call. Of course, who knows what anyone would say in the same situation, but if I saw what she must have seen, I don't think the word "accident" would cross my mind.

[hawgustusgloop]

New article on KFSM's site about the Russellville police and the Rylee death discussed before.
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=5533167

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by hawgustusgloop


Even more strange to me was the fact that Kevin's mom said that there had been an "accident" in the 911 call. Of course, who knows what anyone would say in the same situation, but if I saw what she must have seen, I don't think the word "accident" would cross my mind.

I have never understood the "accident" comment either. For those that stumbled on the scene, I doubt it looked like anything but a homicide. People do say awkward and strange things under stress. I do find the statement telling in the sense that maybe she new there had been a fight and that was her way of dealing with it. “Kevin didn't mean to kill Nona, it was an accident." But really, we have no clue what was going through her head and all this is just mere conjecture. IMO

[sophiafox]

considering in the Tracy Tribble case it is going to court in Nov and they had to find her first! What you wanna bet they try to delay it again.

Rats!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by sophiafox
considering in the Tracy Tribble case it is going to court in Nov and they had to find her first! What you wanna bet they try to delay it again.

Rats!

I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin's defense tries to prolong the process by having the trial moved, etc. I just pray for Nona's loved ones that justice is served. From all accounts, Nona was brutally beaten to death and the person responsible needs to be put away for good. It was no “accident.”

Justice4Nona!

:flamemad:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
There's a new article in the Courier about the case, claiming that the prosecutor won't turn over evidence about a third party being responsible for the murder.

It amuses me that this is even in the paper to begin with, since it adds nothing to the case and it's all he-said, she-said crap.

To me, it just looks like the defense found a way to get in the paper without being direct, and continue their "it was someone else, really!" campaign.

Has the prosecution made a public statement concerning these accusations? Any thoughts any one? Did the defense get the evidence they were belly aching about? Any idea what it was?

[Mishell1383]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin's defense tries to prolong the process by having the trial moved, etc. I just pray for Nona's loved ones that justice is served. From all accounts, Nona was brutally beaten to death and the person responsible needs to be put away for good. It was no “accident.”

Justice4Nona!

:flamemad:

Definitly NOT an accident! IMO

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


Has the prosecution made a public statement concerning these accusations? Any thoughts any one? Did the defense get the evidence they were belly aching about? Any idea what it was?

Am I the only one curious about what has happened?

:shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


Am I the only one curious about what has happened?

:shrug:

I would LOVE to know what is going on. It could be some major evidence, or maybe it's something not too relevant, but the defense is using it as an opportunity to make the public think the prosecution is hiding something. There are not a lot of ways for them to try to shape the public's opinions about the case while there's a gag order. I am still wondering what Kevin has been doing all this time while awaiting trial. Everyone there surely knows who he is.

[Amy]

I'm curious, but this case hasn't ever made it way out west here, so I just keep checkin' here on this thread to see what others have come up with.

[hawgustusgloop]

This is a totally random theory, but (if he's guilty, of course) I think that something else (and I have no idea what) must have been going on with Kevin at the time. I don't know him or know anything about him, but my best guess would be that Golden Boy Kevin was flunking out of school. He went from being Golden Boy Kevin back in Dover to being Nobody McGee in Fayetteville. Maybe he hadn't told his parents or Nona yet, and Nona seemed to be doing so well in her studies and in her life. He might have been struggling with how he was going to tell them, forever shattering his image of Golden Boy Kevin to those who still bought into it. Maybe he just felt his life was really out of control and when he got mad at Nona for some reason, all of his frustrations and anger came to the surface and he exploded.

It's just a thought to keep the conversation going. What do y'all think?

[FDInLaw]

Why are the number of topics in this forum shrinking? Is Nona's case going to be put under another forum? Just wondering. Things are quiet right now but I doubt it will stay that way once the trial starts. Any word on jury selection?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by hawgustusgloop
This is a totally random theory, but (if he's guilty, of course) I think that something else (and I have no idea what) must have been going on with Kevin at the time. I don't know him or know anything about him, but my best guess would be that Golden Boy Kevin was flunking out of school. He went from being Golden Boy Kevin back in Dover to being Nobody McGee in Fayetteville. Maybe he hadn't told his parents or Nona yet, and Nona seemed to be doing so well in her studies and in her life. He might have been struggling with how he was going to tell them, forever shattering his image of Golden Boy Kevin to those who still bought into it. Maybe he just felt his life was really out of control and when he got mad at Nona for some reason, all of his frustrations and anger came to the surface and he exploded.

It's just a thought to keep the conversation going. What do y'all think?

I haven't heard anything that indicates Kevin was getting poor grades. My pet theory is that Nona had outgrown the relationship. . . and that possibly Kevin had been controlling. JMO and all speculation.

[FDInLaw]

Where is everyone? Or . . . as Kevin would put it. . . "U Alive?"

[dtbh]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl


Whatever happened to DTBH?

It's so nice to be "missed"! I haven't been keeping up to date on this message board; I've had other irons in the fire. But, I'm still around, keeping my ear to the ground, so to speak.

[Shra]

Anything new lately? When is the trial set to begin?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by dtbh


It's so nice to be "missed"! I haven't been keeping up to date on this message board; I've had other irons in the fire. But, I'm still around, keeping my ear to the ground, so to speak.

Hi dtbh! Long time no see!

:seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Originally posted by dtbh


It's so nice to be "missed"! I haven't been keeping up to date on this message board; I've had other irons in the fire. But, I'm still around, keeping my ear to the ground, so to speak.

It comforts me to know that dtbh hasn't lost his/her knack for cliches after all this time.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by hawgustusgloop


It comforts me to know that dtbh hasn't lost his/her knack for cliches after all this time.

That's true. . . LOL!

[triipn]

He's gonna walk

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by triipn
He's gonna walk

Welcome to the board, triipn! How long have you been following Nona's case?

:seeya:

[Amy]

Originally posted by triipn
He's gonna walk

Of course, that's the thing with this case. We don't have a clue WHAT ALL "they" have. They've been holdin' their cards pretty darn close to their chests, and then, there is that gag order.

Of course, that leaves the information and evidence to be presented at trial where folk haven't heard all kinds of "official" things.

Keeps this board pretty quiet, but guess it's best in the long run for the trial.

[triipn]

I didn't know anything about until I stumbled across this forum the other day and set forth on reading every page here and all the links through out. Now the first thing I want to say is that 1st reply of mine it comes solely on my gut feeling that I have. I definately do not have any inside info or anything its just that I've never seen anything like the way their investigation has gone as far as it did going up till they arrested that guy.Just seems that if your gonna leave who you thought was the killer run free then leaving them out like that kinda says they were hoping for him to give them something they didnt have.
Also people keep saying that its weird he had his Mom and friend with him when I read in one of the notes somewhere that his friend wasnt with them he was sent by there by the BF to check on her because he was a Pizza delivery guy so he went by gave a look and called the BF and told him whetever it was he said and was gonna leave and the BF said stay cause him and his Mom would be right there. And the reason he was with his mom was they were headed to some dinner party or something of that nature and just happened to be that they were together at that time.
Now whether thats true or not I don't know but its what I read.

:shrug:

The bad thing in all this is no matter what happens from here on out the family will still be w/o they're loved one for ever. And from what I've read it seems this young woman had a bright future ahead of her and we'll never know the true impact it will have on all the things and people that needed what she was about to bring to them in whatever way it was she did.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by hawgustusgloop
This is a totally random theory, but (if he's guilty, of course) I think that something else (and I have no idea what) must have been going on with Kevin at the time. I don't know him or know anything about him, but my best guess would be that Golden Boy Kevin was flunking out of school. He went from being Golden Boy Kevin back in Dover to being Nobody McGee in Fayetteville. Maybe he hadn't told his parents or Nona yet, and Nona seemed to be doing so well in her studies and in her life. He might have been struggling with how he was going to tell them, forever shattering his image of Golden Boy Kevin to those who still bought into it. Maybe he just felt his life was really out of control and when he got mad at Nona for some reason, all of his frustrations and anger came to the surface and he exploded.

It's just a thought to keep the conversation going. What do y'all think?

"Just to keep the conversation going," I think you might know more than you realize. I heard KJ was flunking one or more classes in Fayetteville-- Calculus, maybe? I don't remember which one. I heard he got in an argument with his mom about it, who, if you didn't know, she treats KJ like....I don't know....a 5 year old. I think he was doing poorly because he's into drinking and drugs, from what I've heard. I think you're right--the Golden Boy of Dover High to another flunking out druggy in Fayetteville. I think the main reason to go to Fayetteville was to get away from his clinging mother (you know, for the party power). I also heard he was still into drinking and drugs; but I can't understand, though, is why the cops can't seem to catch him doing those.

[Mishell1383]

I still think he went into some sort of jealous rage. She was beautiful, and becoming more into the pagents..

He was losing his grip on her.. IMO

[Amy]

Geesh!!! Took long enough to find where they stuck this forum!!!

Thanks for the info, dtbh.

You could be right, Mishell, she could have been outgrowing him. If he was into the party scene, and she had more serious things she was getting into.

That does seem to be the way some people go--if I can't have you, no one else will, either.

[hawgustusgloop]

I think she was definitely outgrowing that relationship and that they both probably realized there were better things out there for her. But it just seems to me like there had to be more going on with him than just that.

I really hope we don't lose a bunch of posters now that this board has been moved!

[hawgustusgloop]

Is anyone still here? FDInLaw?