Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[ifIwereU]

I'm a little confused about when KJ actually arrived back in the area at the end of his semester. Maybe JJ didn't know that Kevin would be around in order to let the Bathtub Guys in but knew that grandmother would be available to pass the key off to them. I think it's possible that Kevin thought that he would be spending the night at Nona's, but she kicked him out. I still wonder if Nona had taken back her key from him that night; of course, even if she had, he could have retrieved it during the time of the murder. Supposedly the reason that he didn't have it on the way to Dardanelle was because he was in Mr. Jones' truck. Did he ever produce and return the key?

the answer to that question would be very interesting....if he ever returned the key to Nona's family and when....or did he keep it or was it found at Nona's apt...I don't remember any thing being mentioned by RPD during trial that they had recovered an extra key

as far as KJ being back in town....if I remember right he spent Wednesday at his buddies apt. So when did he and JJ have time to discuss the school date in Dardanelle? Makes sense it would have been in the early hours after being kicked out by Nona....

[ifIwereU]

He told in his statement that he had arrived back on Monday and spent the night with Nona....without telling his mother he was in town....KJ told that the last time he and Nona had sex was on that Monday night....didn't have sex that Wednesday....I wonder why?

[lorettalockhorn]

He told in his statement that he had arrived back on Monday and spent the night with Nona....without telling his mother he was in town....KJ told that the last time he and Nona had sex was on that Monday night....didn't have sex that Wednesday....I wonder why?

That was my earlier understanding, that he was back in town but the rents didn't know. I wondered where he spent Tuesday night and just when did JJ find out that he was home for the holidays? Is his being in town but not telling her the reason for the last minute approval for him to be her date? She laid out his clothes that morning, but IIRC, the call wasn't made to okay him until around 4pm. It seems rude and presumptious that the meal planner should have to scrape up a plate for him at the drop of a hat.

[hawgustusgloop]

>snip< the officers I spoke with have not (will not)verified the experience of the examiner. That question is valid to me especially now that K9 reports that the examiner said Jones "failed worse than he had ever seen". How much has he seen?

The way I understood k9 lurker's post was that the examiner read the results and then took them to his boss to read them as well. Then, the BOSS was the one who said K.Jo failed the worst he had ever seen. I could be wrong. Hopefully k9 lurker can come back and clarify:


I have been reading all your posts about the lack of experience of the polygraph examiner. His name is Bill Glover and he is a sepcial agent of the Arkansas State Police. I made contact with him and talked to him about the exam. He read the results and then had his boss read them as well and he was told that he failed the exam worst he had ever seen.

I still won't be convinced that the polygraph examiner was "brand new" or otherwise unqualified to conduct the examination until that information comes from a credible source.

[hawgustusgloop]

It is a stretch - but surely the bathtub guys (I get a laugh from hearing them called that) - knew the difference between KJ and his older brother. They could not have possibly mistaken Russell for Kevin. Considering Russell was in town - to see Nona driving her car that day - right?

I don't think they would mistake Russell for Kevin, but I guess stranger things have happened.

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=7039467

(Scroll down to the video at the bottom to see Russell Jones)

[ifIwereU]

That was my earlier understanding, that he was back in town but the rents didn't know. I wondered where he spent Tuesday night and just when did JJ find out that he was home for the holidays? Is his being in town but not telling her the reason for the last minute approval for him to be her date? She laid out his clothes that morning, but IIRC, the call wasn't made to okay him until around 4pm. It seems rude and presumptious that the meal planner should have to scrape up a plate for him at the drop of a hat.
I agree! and if you believe Nona and KJ might have had a fight....then that explains why he never responded to the text message she sent.....he wakes up and doesn't respond by phone but more than likely responds in person...KJ strikes me as a control freak.....JMO
In his first statement he says he had been trying to call her "all day", with the first attempt between 11 & 12.....phone records show that his first attempt to contact her was around 2:00 P.M. He calls RW around 5:30 or 6:00.....since when is 4 hours "all day?"
Nona was supposed to have a music final at 2pm...

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, since KJ "met Nona and pretty much saved her life", maybe he felt that she was his responsibility to protect and/or control. :rolleyes: Imagine how he must have felt when he found out that she had engaged in his double standard and went outside the relationship for sex.

We know that Kevin either lied about trying to call Nona all day or has a warped sense of time. (I'm gonna go with lied.) That is why I wonder about any phone calls between him a JJ. Did he confide in her about what he had done and together they contrived the driving to Dardanelle ruse in order to drop in and check on Nona? Why would JJ impose on the party planner that she was bringing a last minute guest? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of an RSVP?

Note to hawg: RJ looks very different from Kevin; confusing the two would be about as unlikely as confusing Trey York for a dark complected man.

[Leroy L]

[QUOTE=hawgustusgloop;8976561](All snipped quotes)I clearly heard it.....I also heard him say that he put his hand on the back of her head to see what was wrong and felt the bone....I don't want to misquote KJ...if I am wrong, I guess I will owe him an apology but I think he further described it as "jagged bone"....not sure on that one though...my note taking days have long been behind me....but for some reason that is stuck in my mind....mainly because I was so appalled by the statment.

I have a friend that is a coroner in another county and they were amazed by the actions of KJ at the scene....my friend has over 25 years of experience at death scenes and have never had any family member or loved one react the way KJ did with Nona....makes me a believer!


Thanks for this. That has been one of the most astonishing things to me. KJ's defenders seem to excuse his behavior at the scene by saying that no one knows how they would react under similiar circumstances. When has anyone ever, ever, ever heard of anyone acting like he did? Even beyond your own experience - have you ever read about that kind of behavior in the newspaper?? Seen it on a television program??

[Leroy L]

For want it's worth - I thought I was responding to ifIwereyou, post 7586. Not that it matters.

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=ifIwereU;8976577]


Thanks for this. That has been one of the most astonishing things to me. KJ's defenders seem to excuse his behavior at the scene by saying that no one knows how they would react under similiar circumstances. When has anyone ever, ever, ever heard of anyone acting like he did? Even beyond your own experience - have you ever read about that kind of behavior in the newspaper?? Seen it on a television program??

Leroy! :seeya:

KJ's behavior and treatment of Nona's body was nothing short of repugnant. The actions of the three of them impress me as bizarre.

[ifIwereU]

For want it's worth - I thought I was responding to ifIwereyou, post 7586. Not that it matters.

I got ya! In response to your question...NO I have never seen ii on TV or in the papers. I think if you took a poll from EMT folks to every day people you will see that rarely...if ever happens. But KJ supporters have to justify his behavior somehow. HYSTERIA!

[ifIwereU]

Well, since KJ "met Nona and pretty much saved her life", maybe he felt that she was his responsibility to protect and/or control. :rolleyes: Imagine how he must have felt when he found out that she had engaged in his double standard and went outside the relationship for sex.

We know that Kevin either lied about trying to call Nona all day or has a warped sense of time. (I'm gonna go with lied.) That is why I wonder about any phone calls between him a JJ. Did he confide in her about what he had done and together they contrived the driving to Dardanelle ruse in order to drop in and check on Nona? Why would JJ impose on the party planner that she was bringing a last minute guest? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of an RSVP?

Note to hawg: RJ looks very different from Kevin; confusing the two would be about as unlikely as confusing Trey York for a dark complected man.
it was my understanding they were going to a school function at a restaurant in Dardanelle...I didn't hear JJ testimony, but I think KJ touched on it in his interview....

[lorettalockhorn]

hehehe For what it's worth, I thought that I was responding to Leroy L.

And I agree with ifIwereU that it would be interesting to learn if this type of behavior is truly odd or not.

[lorettalockhorn]

it was my understanding they were going to a school function at a restaurant in Dardanelle...I didn't hear JJ testimony, but I think KJ touched on it in his interview....

Right, but it was my understanding that guests were to be approved ahead of time so that the event planner would have a head count. IIRC, the phone call wasn't made until approximately 4pm for Kevin to escort JJ. But she testified that she laid out his clothes for the party that morning.

Presumptuous all the way around. IMO

[ifIwereU]

JMO...but overcoming the idea that your son might have murdered someone has got to be a difficult thing to do....I think if JJ knows he did it and helped cover it up, I think she will not be able to live with herself....KJ will move on and find someone else to victimize but JJ probably won't be able to. It will be interesting to see her go about her life in the next few years.

[Leroy L]

I didn't know Skyline Drive was that close to Nona's street until this case and I looked at a map of the area. FDinLaw didn't know it either. And it was entirely possible Kevin didn't know about the close proximity of Nona's apartment and the Dipert's house.

Come on, Solo. I went to Tech decades ago and rarely ventered off campus. But, even I was curious enough to drive the length of Skyline Drive once or twice. (Didn't it end where a Van Atkins used to be on Hwy. 7?) Growing up in Dover, you don't think KJ had ever driven Skyline?? Knowing where Skyline Drive ended on Hwy 7 and where Nona's apartment was...how hard would it be to realize that there was very little distance separating the two?

[Leroy L]

"separating the two"

The two being 1) the Dipert home, and 2) Nona's apartment.

[hawgustusgloop]

I agree! and if you believe Nona and KJ might have had a fight....then that explains why he never responded to the text message she sent.....he wakes up and doesn't respond by phone but more than likely responds in person...KJ strikes me as a control freak.....JMO
In his first statement he says he had been trying to call her "all day", with the first attempt between 11 & 12.....phone records show that his first attempt to contact her was around 2:00 P.M. He calls RW around 5:30 or 6:00.....since when is 4 hours "all day?" Nona was supposed to have a music final at 2pm...

This is something I can't get over. He didn't try to call her until 2 p.m! If he couldn't reach her at 2 p.m., surely he couldn't have been too worried for AT LEAST an hour or so just because sometimes people are busy. Since he claimed not to know when her finals were that day (and since she did have a final scheduled around that time), it would be very reasonable to assume that she could have either been about to take a test or actually completing an exam and therefore, temporarily unavailable. I guess maybe he could start to wonder where she was after some time had passed, but I don't understand his level of concern that soon.

Here is what bothers me: Nona texts him at 9 a.m. with a seemingly sweet and loving message.......and (please correct me if I'm mistaken), he does not bother to respond or call her back until around 2 p.m., despite the fact that he has been awake since before 10 a.m? Then HE somehow gets SUPER worried that she OD'd (of all things) because SHE doesn't call him back ASAP?

[ifIwereU]

This is something I can't get over. He didn't try to call her until 2 p.m! If he couldn't reach her at 2 p.m., surely he couldn't have been too worried for AT LEAST an hour or so just because sometimes people are busy. Since he claimed not to know when her finals were that day (and since she did have a final scheduled around that time), it would be very reasonable to assume that she could have either been about to take a test or actually completing an exam and therefore, temporarily unavailable. I guess maybe he could start to wonder where she was after some time had passed, but I don't understand his level of concern that soon.

Here is what bothers me: Nona texts him at 9 a.m. with a seemingly sweet and loving message.......and (please correct me if I'm mistaken), he does not bother to respond or call her back until around 2 p.m., despite the fact that he has been awake since before 10 a.m? Then HE somehow gets SUPER worried that she OD'd (of all things) because SHE doesn't call him back ASAP?

your are not mistaken...his first attempt to contact Nona was at 2:10 P.M. That is one thing I couldn't get over was that he never texted her back when he woke up and didn't bother to respond at all.....except the infamous "U alive?" which I think was around 4....I could have that time wrong...but I am certain of the 2:10...creepy!! another point completely ignored at trial by the intelligent jury of KJ's peers

[hawgustusgloop]

your are not mistaken...his first attempt to contact Nona was at 2:10 P.M. That is one thing I couldn't get over was that he never texted her back when he woke up and didn't bother to respond at all.....except the infamous "U alive?" which I think was around 4....I could have that time wrong...but I am certain of the 2:10...creepy!! another point completely ignored at trial by the intelligent jury of KJ's peers

K.Jo sent the creepy text message asking Nona if she was alive at 4:28 p.m. according to the PCS.

[ifIwereU]

K.Jo sent the creepy text message asking Nona if she was alive at 4:28 p.m. according to the PCS.
his arrogance sent that message....thanks for clarifying....

[Manning]

your are not mistaken...his first attempt to contact Nona was at 2:10 P.M. That is one thing I couldn't get over was that he never texted her back when he woke up and didn't bother to respond at all.....except the infamous "U alive?" which I think was around 4....I could have that time wrong...but I am certain of the 2:10...creepy!! another point completely ignored at trial by the intelligent jury of KJ's peers

What I never could understand is the fact that after his lunch he comes to Russellville to do errands and go to the bank, and he is so concerned that he doesn't even bother to drive by her apartment. Why didn't he have lunch with her that day? Why didn't he drive by to see if she was home instead of getting a friend to do it.

[lorettalockhorn]

What I never could understand is the fact that after his lunch he comes to Russellville to do errands and go to the bank, and he is so concerned that he doesn't even bother to drive by her apartment. Why didn't he have lunch with her that day? Why didn't he drive by to see if she was home instead of getting a friend to do it.

Out of all the things that KJ did that day that made zero sense, this is a biggie. He didn't call all day from any landlines or his cell; even commented that it was unusual for them to go long without talking (yet he didn't return her Cuddlemuffin Message) and he was nearby enough to have checked on her while he was in RVille, but didn't.

Supposedly he didn't know her test schedule that day, but he did know that she had made a dinner date with the Little and had cancelled her plans and then hadn't told the girl. None of that makes sense to me. And neither does that report of him suddenly being in fear that she had committed suicide. Where did that come from?

[hawgustusgloop]

Out of all the things that KJ did that day that made zero sense, this is a biggie. He didn't call all day from any landlines or his cell; even commented that it was unusual for them to go long without talking (yet he didn't return her Cuddlemuffin Message) and he was nearby enough to have checked on her while he was in RVille, but didn't.

Supposedly he didn't know her test schedule that day, but he did know that she had made a dinner date with the Little and had cancelled her plans and then hadn't told the girl. None of that makes sense to me. And neither does that report of him suddenly being in fear that she had committed suicide. Where did that come from?

That is what makes the least amount of sense to me, especially given the statements K.Jo made about them having such a great relationship, being each other's best friend, wanting to propose to her, etc. One would think that in that situation in a loving relationship, the natural thing would have been for K.Jo to wake up, see that message, and respond with something like, "I love you, too. Good luck on your finals." Not to wait until after 2:00 to call, and then somehow decide by 6:00 that she had OD'd or passed out in the shower. I wonder if this was ever addressed during jury deliberations?

[nobody]

The wire "described as clothesline" found next to her body makes me think premeditation.

Random, unrelated thought...someone from her biology class described exactly what she was wearing that day to the exam. Probably nothing, but wow. I rarely remember what my significant other wears, unless she drills me on it (like, "does this make my butt look big?" etc).

[sololobo]

Come on, Solo. I went to Tech decades ago and rarely ventered off campus. But, even I was curious enough to drive the length of Skyline Drive once or twice. (Didn't it end where a Van Atkins used to be on Hwy. 7?) Growing up in Dover, you don't think KJ had ever driven Skyline?? Knowing where Skyline Drive ended on Hwy 7 and where Nona's apartment was...how hard would it be to realize that there was very little distance separating the two?

So by driving Skyline a couple of time, you were able to determine the proximity of E. 12 and S. Inglewood? Your land bearings are much better than mine:) I supposed if one stopped and looked through the tree clearings along Skyline, you could notice it but I never did. Nona's apartment was a little over a mile from Hwy. 7 and Skyline ends at the Kroger on Hwy 7 which may have been West-Gibsons when you were here decades ago. Van Atkins moved from W. Main to the 1600 block of S. Arkansas but it was about 3/4's of a mile away from Skyline. You may be thinking of West-Gibsons rather than Van Atkins.

[sololobo]

[QUOTE=ifIwereU;8976577]


Thanks for this. That has been one of the most astonishing things to me. KJ's defenders seem to excuse his behavior at the scene by saying that no one knows how they would react under similiar circumstances. When has anyone ever, ever, ever heard of anyone acting like he did? Even beyond your own experience - have you ever read about that kind of behavior in the newspaper?? Seen it on a television program??

It is not uncommon for first responders to have to remove hysterical, grieving loved ones, when present, from a victim.

[oxfordwebster]

[QUOTE=Leroy L;8978877]

It is not uncommon for first responders to have to remove hysterical, grieving loved ones, when present, from a victim.There is hysterical and grieving, and then there is what KJ was doing.

[Leroy L]

So by driving Skyline a couple of time, you were able to determine the proximity of E. 12 and S. Inglewood? Your land bearings are much better than mine:) I supposed if one stopped and looked through the tree clearings along Skyline, you could notice it but I never did. Nona's apartment was a little over a mile from Hwy. 7 and Skyline ends at the Kroger on Hwy 7 which may have been West-Gibsons when you were here decades ago. Van Atkins moved from W. Main to the 1600 block of S. Arkansas but it was about 3/4's of a mile away from Skyline. You may be thinking of West-Gibsons rather than Van Atkins.

I thought I was debating whether or not it was reasonable (or to be more accurate, likely) that KJ knew that the Dipert's home was close to Nona's. And, I thought the whole reason this came up was because there was a question raised about Kevin's call to Duane with little or no notice before he (KJ) and crew arrived at Nona's front door.

http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result.php?q1=1006+South+Inglewood%2C+Russellvi lle%2C+AR&q2=Skyline+Dr%2C+Russellville%2C+AR++72802%2C+Unit ed+States&q3=&q4=&q5=

Here are the driving directions from Nona's (to where I assume is a location close) to the Dipert's. Distance is 2.4 miles and time between the two is approx. 8 minutes. I realize this is the reverse way I implied originally (I envisioned the route going back east on 12th down to Skyline and then back north to the Dipert's). That looks like that would be about a 10 minute drive.

As had been mentioned before, if KJ was so concerned...seems like he might have called DD from Dover, or when passing the family gas station, or when passing by the Waffle House, etc. But, that might have meant DD would have arrived at Nona's before he did.

BTW, thanks for the Vat Atkins correction. That didn't sound completely right to me. West-Gibsons it was!

[Leroy L]

Just to clarify...I never thought that anyone should have been able to look up through a power line clearing and recognize the back of a house, a clump of trees, or whatever is across from the Dipert home on Skyline. What I do think is that anyone reasonably familiar with area should know that the two locations (Nona's and the Dipert's) were not far from each other. I was thinking about driving, not trudging down a hill on foot along a utility right-of-way.

[ifIwereU]

QUOTE=sololobo;8979832

It is not uncommon for first responders to have to remove hysterical, grieving loved ones, when present, from a victim.[/QUOTE]

and I am sure they put there hands in the blood to see how fresh it was....just to be on the safe side

[ifIwereU]

[QUOTE=Leroy L;8978877]

It is not uncommon for first responders to have to remove hysterical, grieving loved ones, when present, from a victim.

and I am sure they put there hand in the blood to see how fresh it was...just to be on the safe side...

[christina]

Over the weekend I started thinking. How can this be done? Some here are not certain Jones was the murderer, some here think he is innocent, some think he is guilty.
The trial is over, the verdict in and Jones can not be tried for this again. It appears there will not be any further investigation into the murder as both police and prosecutor say they tried the right suspect. We here continue to re-hash many of the same topics and specifics of the investigation- all of us with just a piece or limited information. And the discussion leads where? I have not seen/read a poster change their mind.
So going back to FDInLaw's expressed intent- how does Nona get Justice?



Thank you FD for putting her picture on your posts, that is what prompted my thoughts.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you FD for putting her picture on your posts, that is what prompted my thoughts.

Hugs ~ I just don't want Nona to be forgotten. :(


:rose: :rose: :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=Leroy L;8978877]

It is not uncommon for first responders to have to remove hysterical, grieving loved ones, when present, from a victim.

I know that first responders are inured to what most of us would consider horrific, but I can't imagine what the sight of Kevin was like, covered in Nona's blood and having seen him lift her by the shoulders and shake her.

I would be very interested to see some sort of figures for how many loved ones of murder victims actually dabble in the crime scene or explore the wounds of someone that they've already reported as probably dead.

[lorettalockhorn]

Waaaay OT, but I read an interesting comment about Albert Snow at one of the "rate my professors" sites. On 12/23/06, someone noted that he does not know the meaning of innappropriate behavior. I wonder if whatever that behavior was, was reported to administration.

[lorettalockhorn]

hmmm I see that the board is ascribing Solo's comment about hysterical, grieving loved ones to Leroy. :shrug: Weeyard

[ifIwereU]

Over the weekend I started thinking. How can this be done? Some here are not certain Jones was the murderer, some here think he is innocent, some think he is guilty.
The trial is over, the verdict in and Jones can not be tried for this again. It appears there will not be any further investigation into the murder as both police and prosecutor say they tried the right suspect. We here continue to re-hash many of the same topics and specifics of the investigation- all of us with just a piece or limited information. And the discussion leads where? I have not seen/read a poster change their mind.So going back to FDInLaw's expressed intent- how does Nona get Justice?


Thank you FD for putting her picture on your posts, that is what prompted my thoughts.

NONA gets justified with the TRUTH!! Regardless of where that truth leads..back to the court room or just so her family can sleep at night! TRUTH, doesn't have to come from a court room...Even to KJ's supporters who believe him not capable are bound to see the truth at some point and stop making excuses for him....which is why I still choose to post. And by posting here I haven't forgotten Nona. I'd like to know why KJ supporters still post?...that would be the better question

[ifIwereU]

hmmm I see that the board is ascribing Solo's comment about hysterical, grieving loved ones to Leroy. :shrug: Weeyard

you're right....my remarks were for Solo..don't know why it was addressed to Leroy....sorry for the oversite..

[lorettalockhorn]

Over the weekend I started thinking. How can this be done? Some here are not certain Jones was the murderer, some here think he is innocent, some think he is guilty.
The trial is over, the verdict in and Jones can not be tried for this again. It appears there will not be any further investigation into the murder as both police and prosecutor say they tried the right suspect. We here continue to re-hash many of the same topics and specifics of the investigation- all of us with just a piece or limited information. And the discussion leads where? I have not seen/read a poster change their mind.
So going back to FDInLaw's expressed intent- how does Nona get Justice?



Thank you FD for putting her picture on your posts, that is what prompted my thoughts.

He can be tried again; in civil court. How the possibly tainted jury could spend so little time examining the case is almost as mysterious to me as RPD doing such a lackadaisical job of excluding suspects and Gibbons allowing Nona to be put on trial. Once it became apparent that both Kevin and Nona had cheated, the State should have gone for broke a made it clear that Kevin had a clearcut motive for murder. (And he should have explored the drug issue in front of the jury.) In other words, KJ should have been as vilified as Nona was.

I would love to know if the jury has let this case slip into their own pasts, or if they have read enough to now know that Kevin is a philanderer (they should already know that he's a liar, wonder why the blinders about his bizarre actions) and that he did admit to drug use. I would feel duped had I been a juror.

I don't think that I can ever support Gibbons for public office again.

[lorettalockhorn]

you're right....my remarks were for Solo..don't know why it was addressed to Leroy....sorry for the oversite..


Mine too. Oh well, it's still one of the best boards that I post on.

[ifIwereU]

What I never could understand is the fact that after his lunch he comes to Russellville to do errands and go to the bank, and he is so concerned that he doesn't even bother to drive by her apartment. Why didn't he have lunch with her that day? Why didn't he drive by to see if she was home instead of getting a friend to do it.
My thoughts on WHY.....well he had to create a GOOD alibi...I think he altered the thermostat to try and confuse investigators about the time of death. If successful in manipulating the TOD from 1100 AM to 2PM he's sitting good...he had to be seen in town and by friends to solidify his alibi....can't do that if your finding her at 2....does that make sense to anyone but me?

[lorettalockhorn]

Another OT: Now that Janie Ginocchio has been named managing editor of The Courier, she has the opportunity to report her feelings as opposed to facts. In light of lemoncello's postings here and what may very well be lies and (IMO) bizarre expressions (with regard to fantasizing about having been raped, if she never was), does anyone really care to read her columns?

http://couriernews.com/editorial.php

http://couriernews.com/archivededitorials.php?ID=1175&Search=ginocchio

Not saying that what she has to say isn't worthy of being said. I just don't care to see her being given a platform. I don't fault The Courier for keeping her on, but I am shocked to see her given a promotion at this time.

Also The Courier printed her hubby's recipe for basic marinara sauce on Sunday; he uses fresh tomatoes. :eek:

(Should we have a separate OT thread? Anyone?)

[lorettalockhorn]

My thoughts on WHY.....well he had to create a GOOD alibi...I think he altered the thermostat to try and confuse investigators about the time of death. If successful in manipulating the TOD from 1100 AM to 2PM he's sitting good...he had to be seen in town and by friends to solidify his alibi....can't do that if your finding her at 2....does that make sense to anyone but me?


Makes perfect sense to me; what doesn't make sense is that the jury seemingly didn't see the fallacy in KJ not calling Nona but lying about it.

[ifIwereU]

Makes perfect sense to me; what doesn't make sense is that the jury seemingly didn't see the fallacy in KJ not calling Nona but lying about it.
have there been any posts about the jury make-up...i.e. jobs, personal histories, that sort of thing? I know there was an article in the paper with quote from a few but I was wondering about the general dynamics of the group...any info or thoughts?

[christina]

NONA gets justified with the TRUTH!! Regardless of where that truth leads..back to the court room or just so her family can sleep at night! TRUTH, doesn't have to come from a court room...Even to KJ's supporters who believe him not capable are bound to see the truth at some point and stop making excuses for him....which is why I still choose to post. And by posting here I haven't forgotten Nona. I'd like to know why KJ supporters still post?...that would be the better question

You seem to misinterpret my post, or the purpose of my post. It was not meant to make anyone defensive, just wanted to share my thoughts.

[lorettalockhorn]

have there been any posts about the jury make-up...i.e. jobs, personal histories, that sort of thing? I know there was an article in the paper with quote from a few but I was wondering about the general dynamics of the group...any info or thoughts?

Courier article about jury makeup:

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15315&Search=dirksmeyer

I only remember that the foreChristian is a female teacher and that the juror who is reportedly the uncle of RW's close friend is supposedly a busy nurse.

Not sure about any dynamics, just that those who were originally leaning towards guilt or indecisiveness quickly changed their votes. IMO

[ifIwereU]

You seem to misinterpret my post, or the purpose of my post. It was not meant to make anyone defensive, just wanted to share my thoughts.

my response was not defensive...CONVICTED maybe but not defensive....you ended your "thoughts" with a question mark.....so I responded...maybe my answer portrayed my true convictions.

You posted this comment "It appears there will not be any further investigation into the murder as both police and prosecutor say they tried the right suspect." maybe for them because they don't have to live without their loved one....I think in the end you will see more police work done, not that jones will be tried again but because there is a community that still requires answers. The new head of the detective division is an intelligent man who might have some fresh ideas on how to proceed with the investigation from this point forward. If nothing else, they will work on it to stall all the FOI requests that are probably pouring in...JMO

don't read into my answers as somehow taking a shot at you....like you, I vent! its not personal

[ifIwereU]

Courier article about jury makeup:

http://couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15315&Search=dirksmeyer

I only remember that the foreChristian is a female teacher and that the juror who is reportedly the uncle of RW's close friend is supposedly a busy nurse.

Not sure about any dynamics, just that those who were originally leaning towards guilt or indecisiveness quickly changed their votes. IMO

thanks for the link....

[christina]

my response was not defensive...CONVICTED maybe but not defensive....you ended your "thoughts" with a question mark.....so I responded...maybe my answer portrayed my true convictions.

You posted this comment "It appears there will not be any further investigation into the murder as both police and prosecutor say they tried the right suspect." maybe for them because they don't have to live without their loved one....I think in the end you will see more police work done, not that jones will be tried again but because there is a community that still requires answers. The new head of the detective division is an intelligent man who might have some fresh ideas on how to proceed with the investigation from this point forward. If nothing else, they will work on it to stall all the FOI requests that are probably pouring in...JMO

don't read into my answers as somehow taking a shot at you....like you, I vent! its not personal

I didn't take them as a shot at me and I hope others don't take it that I was venting in that post. After FDInLaw posted that picture of Nona, I stayed away from the board over the weekend and spent some time thinking. The questions were meant to be rhetorical. Sorry.

Who is the new head of the detective division? Are you talking Russellville Police Department? My understanding is all records are under the prosecutor's office to do with what they will.

[sololobo]

I didn't take them as a shot at me and I hope others don't take it that I was venting in that post. After FDInLaw posted that picture of Nona, I stayed away from the board over the weekend and spent some time thinking. The questions were meant to be rhetorical. Sorry.

Who is the new head of the detective division? Are you talking Russellville Police Department? My understanding is all records are under the prosecutor's office to do with what they will.

Lt. David Davis is now the Criminal Investigations Division commander.

[ifIwereU]

I didn't take them as a shot at me and I hope others don't take it that I was venting in that post. After FDInLaw posted that picture of Nona, I stayed away from the board over the weekend and spent some time thinking. The questions were meant to be rhetorical. Sorry.

Who is the new head of the detective division? Are you talking Russellville Police Department? My understanding is all records are under the prosecutor's office to do with what they will.

I read in the paper where RPD Lt. David Davis replaced John Waid when he left...Davis is a great cop and even better investigator...
“I saw some areas that I needed to address when I took over as chief, and I implemented those changes,” McMillen said.
Among the changes McMillen listed were the February appointment of Lt. DAVID DAVIS to the position of Criminal Investigations Division commander, a position formerly occupied by Waid, who left the department
http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15765&Search=david%20davis
had he been in charge that night...things would have been much different...JMO...I bet the PD still maintains a file on the case and even if they don't they still have the jurisdiction to proceed with an investigation....don't need the PA's approval for that. Some might view it as a waste of time since there won't be a conviction but with enough public out cry they may take another look at it.

[christina]

Lt. David Davis is now the Criminal Investigations Division commander.

Thanks sololobo. I guess he was one of the group that received a promotion recently? Do you know who was commander when this murder was being investigated?

[christina]

I read in the paper where RPD Lt. David Davis replaced John Waid when he left...Davis is a great cop and even better investigator...
“I saw some areas that I needed to address when I took over as chief, and I implemented those changes,” McMillen said.
Among the changes McMillen listed were the February appointment of Lt. DAVID DAVIS to the position of Criminal Investigations Division commander, a position formerly occupied by Waid, who left the department
http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15765&Search=david%20davis
had he been in charge that night...things would have been much different...JMO...I bet the PD still maintains a file on the case and even if they don't they still have the jurisdiction to proceed with an investigation....don't need the PA's approval for that. Some might view it as a waste of time since there won't be a conviction but with enough public out cry they may take another look at it.

Thanks for the link, there were several papers I missed this summer and have not caught up on.
Maybe you can get a definitive answer- who does a future investigation fall under- the pa or the rpd?

[ifIwereU]

Thanks for the link, there were several papers I missed this summer and have not caught up on.
Maybe you can get a definitive answer- who does a future investigation fall under- the pa or the rpd?
this is not a definitive answer because I didn't take the time to call but IMO either one....the pa can request other agencies to conduct an investigation and since the PD has jursidiction...it could be either...The PD doing anymore investigating is probably a stretch but if the PA wanted something else done I'm sure he would contact Frost....Frost would then go to his higher ups and then the decision would be made as how to proceed....JMO

[christina]

this is not a definitive answer because I didn't take the time to call but IMO either one....the pa can request other agencies to conduct an investigation and since the PD has jursidiction...it could be either...The PD doing anymore investigating is probably a stretch but if the PA wanted something else done I'm sure he would contact Frost....Frost would then go to his higher ups and then the decision would be made as how to proceed....JMO

Makes sense.

[sololobo]

Waaaay OT, but I read an interesting comment about Albert Snow at one of the "rate my professors" sites. On 12/23/06, someone noted that he does not know the meaning of innappropriate behavior. I wonder if whatever that behavior was, was reported to administration.

Definitely a long shot, Loretta, but something to keep in the back of our minds if more info becomes available. An alleged child stalker who was a Tech professor and Nona who was committed to combating sexual child abuse.....Would a chemistry professor and a music major tend to have any possible contact at Tech?

[sololobo]

you're right....my remarks were for Solo..don't know why it was addressed to Leroy....sorry for the oversite..

Not your fault, ifIwereU. Its a bug at the site. Its happened several times before:)

[christina]

Ifiwereyou- You are correct about the ASP officer not testifying in court about offering her help at the scene and being asked instead to help the search outside. I was told about that later.

Loretta- I do not think you are alone in your feelings/thoughts about Gibbons and re-election! Interesting addition to your signature- a communist!

[lorettalockhorn]

Ifiwereyou- You are correct about the ASP officer not testifying in court about offering her help at the scene and being asked instead to help the search outside. I was told about that later.

Loretta- I do not think you are alone in your feelings/thoughts about Gibbons and re-election! Interesting addition to your signature- a communist!

A Frog Communist at that! I like his comment on idiots, always proximate.

[hawgustusgloop]

(Most of these are snipped for relevance)

Actually, I am pretty sure that IF the green sweater was even found it was not at the scene in the living room with her jeans and panties.

On Tuesday, Danny Vallee testified that she was wearing blue jeans and a green sweater to her morning Biology test. A green sweater and blue jeans were found at the crime scene. They have come to the conclusion that these were the same clothes.


The other question I have is where is the green sweater she was wearing that day, or any other top, just jeans were at the scene.


3 window blind panels were
on the evidence list
along with a white bra,
green sweater,
jeans with panties inside...
is it possible whoever killed her stripped her
nude?



Do you know if a green sweater was ever found, and if so, do you know where it was located? There have been several conflicting posts about it, as you can see.

[oxfordwebster]

Loretta- I do not think you are alone in your feelings/thoughts about Gibbons and re-election! Interesting addition to your signature- a communist!Do people still harbor ill thoughts over [i]governing ideology[i]? That's awesome.

[hawgustusgloop]

Do people still harbor ill thoughts over governing ideology? That's awesome.

How quaint! Our own Red Scare!

About the clothesline found at the scene....I think Nobody mentioned it recently (maybe in another thread?) as possible evidence of premeditation. I tend to think maybe it was already in her apartment and used as a clothesline. Otherwise, wouldn't it have been called a cord, wire, rope, twine, etc. rather than the more specific term "clothesline"? Does anyone know if Nona used a clothesline in her apartment? It would make sense for a clothesline to be downstairs if that is where Nona washed and stored most of her laundry.

[ifIwereU]

(Most of these are snipped for relevance)









Do you know if a green sweater was ever found, and if so, do you know where it was located? There have been several conflicting posts about it, as you can see.
Green sweater found in the upstairs bedroom where the bed was....BELIEVED to be worn by Nona at the test...and I believe Valley thought it "looked like" the sweater she wore to her biology final. VAlley was shown the sweater that was recovered and stated it looked like it....Does that help?

[hawgustusgloop]

Green sweater found in the upstairs bedroom where the bed was....BELIEVED to be worn by Nona at the test...and I believe Valley thought it "looked like" the sweater she wore to her biology final. VAlley was shown the sweater that was recovered and stated it looked like it....Does that help?

Yes, thank you for clearing that up. I really appreciate your posts.

[TJEddie]

Green sweater found in the upstairs bedroom where the bed was....BELIEVED to be worn by Nona at the test...and I believe Valley thought it "looked like" the sweater she wore to her biology final. VAlley was shown the sweater that was recovered and stated it looked like it....Does that help?

So was the green sweater presented in court for Vallee's identification? IMO, that seems like an odd piece of evidence to be brought out in the courtroom. Could you tell where the prosecution seemed to be leading with that line of questioning? (Maybe I'm overlooking something here.....or maybe I've forgotten......can somebody fill me in on the importance of the green sweater?)

[sololobo]

You always get a giggle out of me, Solo. That I even posted anything about Snow was facetiousness. I for one cannot imagine why a pedophile would be interested in a mature woman like Nona; but I guess you missed where I have posted that a couple of times (when he was almost immediately considered a new suspect).

I still wonder if the person who took time to post about his inappropriate behavior took time to report him to university officials. The gist of my comment had more to do with a pedophile in my community being stopped, than actually with Nona's case.

My post mentioned nothing about a possible sexual attraction. It was referring to Nona maybe finding out something about his alleged fondness for 15 year old girls. I doubt this actually happened but since you brought it up in the Nona thread, I assumed it dealt with the Nona case.

[lorettalockhorn]

My post mentioned nothing about a possible sexual attraction. It was referring to Nona maybe finding out something about his alleged fondness for 15 year old girls. I doubt this actually happened but since you brought it up in the Nona thread, I assumed it dealt with the Nona case.

:seeya: Morning! I thought that Snow's involvement had been discussed as a suspect from all angles back when he was arrested for the porn business. Maybe I dreamed it.

I'm betting that if Nona learned something about his fondness for girls that she would have reported it. [Iimmediately[/I].

[ifIwereU]

So was the green sweater presented in court for Vallee's identification? IMO, that seems like an odd piece of evidence to be brought out in the courtroom. Could you tell where the prosecution seemed to be leading with that line of questioning? (Maybe I'm overlooking something here.....or maybe I've forgotten......can somebody fill me in on the importance of the green sweater?)
JMO...the green sweater helps narrow time of death since it was the last thing Nona was seen wearing. it helps establish that the last thing she was seen in was found in the apartment and in an area away from where she was killed. JMO...and it really didn't come across this way in court but I think the PA was trying to explain why she was naked or that she may have only been partially clothed when she was attacked.

[TJEddie]

JMO...the green sweater helps narrow time of death since it was the last thing Nona was seen wearing. it helps establish that the last thing she was seen in was found in the apartment and in an area away from where she was killed. JMO...and it really didn't come across this way in court but I think the PA was trying to explain why she was naked or that she may have only been partially clothed when she was attacked.

Thanks. So was the sweater presented for Vallee's identification in court?

[sololobo]

Christina or ifIwereU, do either of you recall from the trial if a chair or couch was beside the table with the overturned lamp and spilled liquid and if the table was near the sliding glass door?

[ifIwereU]

Christina or ifIwereU, do either of you recall from the trial if a chair or couch was beside the table with the overturned lamp and spilled liquid and if the table was near the sliding glass door?
the table was in the corner of the living room with a love seat and couch adjacent on each side. the other end of the love seat (away form the lamp) was near the sliding door. there was a small shelf or table on the wall between the door and the love seat. does that help? my guestimation would be that the table and lamp were 8 to 10 feet away from the door.

[ifIwereU]

How quaint! Our own Red Scare!

About the clothesline found at the scene....I think Nobody mentioned it recently (maybe in another thread?) as possible evidence of premeditation. I tend to think maybe it was already in her apartment and used as a clothesline. Otherwise, wouldn't it have been called a cord, wire, rope, twine, etc. rather than the more specific term "clothesline"? Does anyone know if Nona used a clothesline in her apartment? It would make sense for a clothesline to be downstairs if that is where Nona washed and stored most of her laundry.

i don't remember any discussion about a clothesline being found at the scene. was this something the defense brought up along with the finger nail and clumpled hair?

[ifIwereU]

Thanks. So was the sweater presented for Vallee's identification in court?
I wanted to make sure before I responded....he was shown the sweater for identification

[sololobo]

the table was in the corner of the living room with a love seat and couch adjacent on each side. the other end of the love seat (away form the lamp) was near the sliding door. there was a small shelf or table on the wall between the door and the love seat. does that help? my guestimation would be that the table and lamp were 8 to 10 feet away from the door.

Thank you, ifIwereU:)

[hawgustusgloop]

i don't remember any discussion about a clothesline being found at the scene. was this something the defense brought up along with the finger nail and clumpled hair?

I believe someone posting here heard about it (possibly part of Frost's testimony?) on the news, but I can't find any references to it from online articles. If I recall correctly, that info came from a KFSM newscast, so IMO it could easily not be true.

Are you saying you do not believe there was a clothesline at the scene? If you say there isn't, I am inclined to believe you, especially since we never seemed to hear anything about it before or since.

[FDInLaw]

Channel 7 only mentioned the cell phone testimony but didn't give any details :flamemad: ; reiterated that Blake Walters never saw KJ at the station until almost three and that time of death was between 11am-noon. There was testimony about the drive time involved but no details.

Channel 5 focused on Frost's testimony. He said that he regretted not taking the knife into evidence until the next day, there were comments about a lamp being turned over in the living room, a clothesline near the body, and a bag of popcorn and a straw in an upstairs trash container that weren't tested. They also mentioned that a man's fingernail was found but that it wasn't tested. (How did they know that it was a male's fingernail if it wasn't tested?)


BUMPING. . .

[FDInLaw]

Rethinking the attack...
We haven't talked much about the strangulation weapon. A clothesline found near the body. I doubt she had a spare clothesline laying around in her apartment prior to. Do these apartments have clothelines? If so, was this cut from here - or did the murderer bring this item with him? If this line did not come from her apartment. Trying to think in this delusional person's mind - I might have just used the lamp cord instead of going outside to cut this wire - risking a chance of being seen. Or maybe this could change this case towards a premeditated, staged murder.

Also, to strangle someone - I would imagine wrapping the wire around my hands to get a better grip - another DNA sample?

Hawg, I think that I first learned about the clothesline from a Ft. Smith news report; this is what I got when I searched the forum (I guess this works):

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/search.php?searchid=83839

Agree about the characterization of "clothesline", that could be wire, plastic coated wire, or a rope, any of which might have other uses. Was the "clothesline" found in a package marked "clothesline"? Did it have clothespins attached? More on the clothesline

[hoglover]

I am glad you posted Nona's picture FD. It helps to remember who this is all really about. I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to send this out to beautiful Nona and her family....:rose: :rose: :rose:

May they find peace after all this...

[hawgustusgloop]

I guess this should be on the rape allegation thread, but I can't seem to find it. Has anyone heard anything about the lawsuit the Whitesides filed against the Courier/Janie Ginocchio/whomever else? Have there been any hearings or dates set?

[hawgustusgloop]

I guess this should be on the rape allegation thread, but I can't seem to find it. Has anyone heard anything about the lawsuit the Whitesides filed against the Courier/Janie Ginocchio/whomever else? Have there been any hearings or dates set?

OK, I think I found it, unless there was another thread started about the lawsuit:
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=280549

[oxfordwebster]

I guess this should be on the rape allegation thread, but I can't seem to find it. Has anyone heard anything about the lawsuit the Whitesides filed against the Courier/Janie Ginocchio/whomever else? Have there been any hearings or dates set?I doubt much will ever be seen of it, due to how ludicrous the lawsuit was to begin with. Too bad, so sad that Whiteside associates himself with people that end up in public documents and are newsworthy, so that reporters get to write about it with "allegedly" after about every damn word.

[lorettalockhorn]

If anyone has information on whether/when the Whiteside suit will go to court, I'd love to know.

I'm also a little curious about the alleged rapist crowd. Where are they now? Back in school? I know that RW and Jeff Simmons have current accounts at at least one of the social network gathering sites (and that some of their friends are very young girls *shudders*). Which leads me to wonder if the parents of their friends are aware that their daughters are cozying up to what has been aptly described (IMO) as lowlife elements.

I'm almost as interested in the FOIA regarding the alleged rape as the murder case.

[LurkerNoMore]

If anyone has information on whether/when the Whiteside suit will go to court, I'd love to know.

I'm also a little curious about the alleged rapist crowd. Where are they now? Back in school? I know that RW and Jeff Simmons have current accounts at at least one of the social network gathering sites (and that some of their friends are very young girls *shudders*). Which leads me to wonder if the parents of their friends are aware that their daughters are cozying up to what has been aptly described (IMO) as lowlife elements.

I'm almost as interested in the FOIA regarding the alleged rape as the murder case.

My God. No one was ever even charged here. If you wonder about the damage the Courier did in printing the allegations, one need not look any further than your condemning post.

[hawgustusgloop]

My God. No one was ever even charged here. If you wonder about the damage the Courier did in printing the allegations, one need not look any further than your condemning post.

The Courier printed the fact that Simmons admitted to having sex with a girl who was not of drinking age yet under the influence of alcohol. IIRC, he also admitted that K.Jo and RW were in the room while he did it. I don't know that I would call those "allegations" if Mr. Simmons admitted to them. Perhaps that is what gave lorettalockhorn her impression of these fine citizens. The Courier just gave her the information. JMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

My God. No one was ever even charged here. If you wonder about the damage the Courier did in printing the allegations, one need not look any further than your condemning post.

Well, I did use IMO which I don't usually bother providing just in case my post honked off anyone who condones the behavior of underage drinkers and voyeurism. (Not to mention that the alleged victim did not give consent using 100% or her faculties if she was impaired by the illegal booze provided to her.)

[ifIwereU]

Well, I did use IMO which I don't usually bother providing just in case my post honked off anyone who condones the behavior of underage drinkers and voyeurism. (Not to mention that the alleged victim did not give consent using 100% or her faculties if she was impaired by the illegal booze provided to her.)
and nobody (i.e. other female party goers) wanted to help her(the victim)....what's that all about? Must have been quite a show for all

[ifIwereU]

If anyone has information on whether/when the Whiteside suit will go to court, I'd love to know.

I'm also a little curious about the alleged rapist crowd. Where are they now? Back in school? I know that RW and Jeff Simmons have current accounts at at least one of the social network gathering sites (and that some of their friends are very young girls *shudders*). Which leads me to wonder if the parents of their friends are aware that their daughters are cozying up to what has been aptly described (IMO) as lowlife elements.

I'm almost as interested in the FOIA regarding the alleged rape as the murder case.

I wonder if KJ and RW have let the manes grow back....must have been devastating to their images to have to get a hair cut

[oxfordwebster]

and nobody (i.e. other female party goers) wanted to help her(the victim)....what's that all about? Must have been quite a show for allWell, since one of those females is a close friend of Kevin's, hey... go figure.

[hawgustusgloop]

Well, since one of those females is a close friend of Kevin's, hey... go figure.

If I recall correctly, the Courier report stated that Chelsea Huckabay told investigators that she provided the accuser with alcohol.

[oxfordwebster]

If I recall correctly, the Courier report stated that Chelsea Huckabay told investigators that she provided the accuser with alcohol.You figure after that she might have some concern over the girl having sex with an audience, but who knows with this crowd.

[ifIwereU]

You figure after that she might have some concern over the girl having sex with an audience, but who knows with this crowd.
Must be common practice...

[LurkerNoMore]

Must be common practice...

I am curious if Nona was part of this group of kids, i.e., did she hang around with them? I am also curious how many who were friends with both Nona and Kevin think Kevin killed Nona.

[ifIwereU]

I am curious if Nona was part of this group of kids, i.e., did she hang around with them? I am also curious how many who were friends with both Nona and Kevin think Kevin killed Nona.

too bad we can't ask Nona

[ifIwereU]

I am curious if Nona was part of this group of kids, i.e., did she hang around with them? I am also curious how many who were friends with both Nona and Kevin think Kevin killed Nona.

from the testimony at the trial and by Kevin's own admission, Nona did not condone the dope smoking...her friends that were close to her at the time of her death felt her relationship to KJ was unhealthy....IMO opinion...the ones that were friends with Kevin think he did not do it and the ones who were friends with Nona think he did....the ones who claim to be friends with both...abandoned Nona and chose Kevin...JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

from the testimony at the trial and by Kevin's own admission, Nona did not condone the dope smoking...her friends that were close to her at the time of her death felt her relationship to KJ was unhealthy....IMO opinion...the ones that were friends with Kevin think he did not do it and the ones who were friends with Nona think he did....the ones who claim to be friends with both...abandoned Nona and chose Kevin...JMO

Thanks for that answer to Lurker's good question. I didn't know either of them, but the impression I got was that they didn't party together and I was always curious as to just how many of their friends (in common) crossed over from the straight group (for lack of a better term) to the party group, besides CH.

Someone posted a while back that Kevin hasn't lost any supporters. I wonder a) how anyone could know that this is true, and b) do his supporters really believe that he didn't do the murder, or do they just not want to believe that he did it? I would think that a person would have to be in denial to believe that KJ is a fine, upstanding, honest young man, what with the drugs and alcohol and of course, the alleged rape story. He's been proven to be a liar; how do people know that since he lied to LE, that he hasn't lied to them? Or is that just okay with his crowd?

[hawgustusgloop]

Thanks for that answer to Lurker's good question. I didn't know either of them, but the impression I got was that they didn't party together and I was always curious as to just how many of their friends (in common) crossed over from the straight group (for lack of a better term) to the party group, besides CH.

Someone posted a while back that Kevin hasn't lost any supporters. I wonder a) how anyone could know that this is true, and b) do his supporters really believe that he didn't do the murder, or do they just not want to believe that he did it? I would think that a person would have to be in denial to believe that KJ is a fine, upstanding, honest young man, what with the drugs and alcohol and of course, the alleged rape story. He's been proven to be a liar; how do people know that since he lied to LE, that he hasn't lied to them? Or is that just okay with his crowd?

I kind of got the impression (this isn't really based on anything concrete) that the friends Nona was closest to at the time of her death were her classmates/fellow music majors at Tech. On the flip side, it seems like the friends K.Jo had in town at that time were his/their friends from high school. So maybe that has something to do with their mutual friends deciding to support him? Maybe they just felt more like "his" friends at the time since perhaps they partied together, and Nona had made new friends and did not participate in the party activities?

[hawgustusgloop]

Off topic: I started a thread under "News from the South" about some shady things going on in Fort Smith, if anyone is interested.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=286117

[optimumprimal78]

from the testimony at the trial and by Kevin's own admission, Nona did not condone the dope smoking...her friends that were close to her at the time of her death felt her relationship to KJ was unhealthy....IMO opinion...the ones that were friends with Kevin think he did not do it and the ones who were friends with Nona think he did....the ones who claim to be friends with both...abandoned Nona and chose Kevin...JMO

I agree with most of this. I do think that people who claimed to be friends with her did abandon her to pick up KJ's "cause" and defended him(more or less forgetting that their friend was killed). However, as far as her not condoning the dope. I just don't know if that was the case. Think about the people that she was around in that group (CH, RW, KJ). It makes you wonder that if she didn't condone it then why was she in the group at all. It also begs to ask the question "Did she do it with them?" Only a select few know the answer to that. But like you said most of them went over to KJ's side.

[hawgustusgloop]

I agree with most of this. I do think that people who claimed to be friends with her did abandon her to pick up KJ's "cause" and defended him(more or less forgetting that their friend was killed). However, as far as her not condoning the dope. I just don't know if that was the case. Think about the people that she was around in that group (CH, RW, KJ). It makes you wonder that if she didn't condone it then why was she in the group at all. It also begs to ask the question "Did she do it with them?" Only a select few know the answer to that. But like you said most of them went over to KJ's side.

That is a very interesting question. I am curious as to which high school friends she was regularly spending time with prior to those couple of visits from K.Jo just before her murder. How often did she see all those friends from high school who later supported him? If she saw them socially often, I might be more convinced that she might have been okay with K.Jo's drug use even if she didn't participate. If she didn't see those friends very often and ran with a "cleaner" crowd, however, I tend to go along with the notion that she did not approve of it.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree with most of this. I do think that people who claimed to be friends with her did abandon her to pick up KJ's "cause" and defended him(more or less forgetting that their friend was killed). However, as far as her not condoning the dope. I just don't know if that was the case. Think about the people that she was around in that group (CH, RW, KJ). It makes you wonder that if she didn't condone it then why was she in the group at all. It also begs to ask the question "Did she do it with them?" Only a select few know the answer to that. But like you said most of them went over to KJ's side.

I don't remember if the ME did a tox screen on Nona or not (or if it was mentioned in his testimony; I believe that marijuana stays in the system for about thirty days and is usually included on the panel that they run. (I would think that a tox screen would be autopsy procedure, especially a victim who didn't appear to have put up much of a fight.)

I have a feeling that the reason that the defense didn't call more of KJ's friends might be in case they were asked about drug use (among other things) while under oath.

And once again, I feel compelled to say how lame the State's case was in part because they didn't allow the jury to know the dope smoking, underage drinking Kevin.

[jonikay]

I agree with most of this. I do think that people who claimed to be friends with her did abandon her to pick up KJ's "cause" and defended him(more or less forgetting that their friend was killed). However, as far as her not condoning the dope. I just don't know if that was the case. Think about the people that she was around in that group (CH, RW, KJ). It makes you wonder that if she didn't condone it then why was she in the group at all. It also begs to ask the question "Did she do it with them?" Only a select few know the answer to that. But like you said most of them went over to KJ's side.
During the part of Kevin's first interrogation that we saw during the trial, Kevin stated that Nona did not go to parties with him. He also stated that she never drank, as was the norm, I guess, at such parties. Not to forget that CH was strictly on Kevin's side, as far as the trial was concerned. During opening statements, the defense stated that CH would testify that she and Nona's relationship wasn't as close since they didn't have much time to see each other, although they were still close friends. She was to testify that Nona was seeing some "dark characters" that CH thought was concerning. Who these "dark characters" were that CH was going to mention, we may never know . . . unless, of course, she saw Trey York from a distance and noticed his "dark" complexion with leather wristbands, because after all, only "dark characters" wear leather wristbands and ball caps.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey jk! You know, I've seen pix of TY and he is far from dark complected from what I could see. Are there photos somewhere besides myspace for instance that show him other than fair skinned?

It makes sense to me to some degree that Nona and KJ and CH, etalii couldn't party together simply due to logistics during the semester. But the Whiteside party where the alleged rape occurred was not that long after Nona's death did it?, and KJ, CH ad RW were all on the scene, as well as Simmons (wasn't he KJ's roomie in Fayetteville?) The Friends Interested in Nona & Kevin (FINK) didn't seem to have any difficulties making contact with each other during the holidays. I've heard that CH and KJ still party together and that their relationship was intense after Nona's death.

Now that I think about it, CH is really the only FINK that I can think of. Who else was really friends with both?

[hawgustusgloop]

Hey jk! You know, I've seen pix of TY and he is far from dark complected from what I could see. Are there photos somewhere besides myspace for instance that show him other than fair skinned?

It makes sense to me to some degree that Nona and KJ and CH, etalii couldn't party together simply due to logistics during the semester. But the Whiteside party where the alleged rape occurred was not that long after Nona's death did it?, and KJ, CH ad RW were all on the scene, as well as Simmons (wasn't he KJ's roomie in Fayetteville?) The Friends Interested in Nona & Kevin (FINK) didn't seem to have any difficulties making contact with each other during the holidays. I've heard that CH and KJ still party together and that their relationship was intense after Nona's death.

Now that I think about it, CH is really the only FINK that I can think of. Who else was really friends with both?

Maybe the whole "dark characters" thing was just the defense blowing smoke, just like when they claimed the "jewelry store employee" was going to testify.

Ryan Whiteside could not have been too much of a "mutual" friend of both Nona and K.Jo because RW thought it would be strange for Nona to find him knocking on her door, right? IMO he was much better friends with K.Jo.

Chelsea is the only FINK I know of....well, I guess you could count that "Jim" guy who CH mentioned in that ancient Xanga entry as being "best friends together" with her, Nona, and K.Jo.

I have heard similar rumors about CH and K.Jo.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, I always got the impression that Nona and RW didn't know each other well because of his statements about approaching the apartment that day.

Wonder if the jewelry store employee could have shed any light on the proposal that was supposed to have happened that night? Something tells me no.

BF Jim is a curiosity. I don't remember if his name has ever been brought up on this board. Wonder if he still hangs with Kevin or any other FINKs, or has moved on.

[hawgustusgloop]

Yeah, I always got the impression that Nona and RW didn't know each other well because of his statements about approaching the apartment that day.

Wonder if the jewelry store employee could have shed any light on the proposal that was supposed to have happened that night? Something tells me no.

BF Jim is a curiosity. I don't remember if his name has ever been brought up on this board. Wonder if he still hangs with Kevin or any other FINKs, or has moved on.

I wonder if the jewelry store employee was even a jewelry store employee around the time of the murder, or if he got a job there later. Either way, I don't believe for a second that he was going to testify that K.Jo had picked out and/or picked up a ring for his big proposal in the few days he was in town. The guy had to borrow 5 bucks from his granny for a ham sandwich. IIRC, he did not get a scholarship to UA and had to work 2 jobs to save up the money. He was supposedly planning on returning to Fayetteville for the spring semester, so wouldn't he be trying to save up more money for that? Never mind the fact that he was very recently unfaithful. Plus, Christmas and Nona's birthday were right around the corner, so why not wait until one of those days? That story does not even come close to passing the common sense test IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've wondered if the characterization of Brent Hunnycutt (sp) as a jewelry store employee wasn't just a coincidence. I agree that the thought of KJ's plan to propose to Nona that very night is bordering on the ridiculous. OR maybe he had to borrow ham sammy money because he had recently made a ring payment.

Back to Jim; isn't Trey York's given name James or Jim? Is there another Jim in the group, someone who joined the military maybe? I'm wracking my brain and coming up with pretty much nada. Still am wondering where some of those friends are now.

[hawgustusgloop]

I've wondered if the characterization of Brent Hunnycutt (sp) as a jewelry store employee wasn't just a coincidence. I agree that the thought of KJ's plan to propose to Nona that very night is bordering on the ridiculous. OR maybe he had to borrow ham sammy money because he had recently made a ring payment.

Back to Jim; isn't Trey York's given name James or Jim? Is there another Jim in the group, someone who joined the military maybe? I'm wracking my brain and coming up with pretty much nada. Still am wondering where some of those friends are now.

That makes me think....does anyone have ANY idea about the extent to which K.Jo knew of Trey York's existence?

[lorettalockhorn]

That makes me think....does anyone have ANY idea about the extent to which K.Jo knew of Trey York's existence?


I'm clueless, but I suppose if he had access to Nona's phone, he might have been able to scroll through and see that there was some communicating going on? That's assuming that TY isn't the Jim that CH spoke of.

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm clueless, but I suppose if he had access to Nona's phone, he might have been able to scroll through and see that there was some communicating going on? That's assuming that TY isn't the Jim that CH spoke of.

I am curious as to whether TY had been a point of contention between the two. Maybe that was part of the reason for one of their breakups? Maybe the rumors got back to him in Fayetteville? Perhaps K.Jo believed Nona and TY didn't communicate with each other after Nona and K.Jo's recent reconciliation? Then, when the text came in from TY, perhaps K.Jo got curious and scrolled back through to find their many messages? I bet that would make him pretty angry.

[jonikay]

The only guy mentioned by Kevin during interrogations was Jordan, the guy from Springdale who testified to meeting up with Nona that very late-night-early-morning. And Cole Hudson, being a close friend of Nona's. He never mentioned Trey. I highly doubt that CH was talking about Trey when she mentioned "Jim." But, I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was talking about Trey when she was going to mention the "dark characters" on the stand (taking into consideration the leather wristband type of thing, I'm thinking he could have went a step further and took on a sort of "goth" appearance, because he did have longer hair at one point, but this is all specuation). Kevin could have known about him, but he didn't mention him . . .
By the way, the Trey having a dark complexion was pure sarcasm. He's a pasty fellow, imo.

[sololobo]

Yeah, I always got the impression that Nona and RW didn't know each other well because of his statements about approaching the apartment that day.

"Active pallbearers will be Erich Dipert, Scott Rome, Hiram Jones, Jr., Dan Huckabay, Josh Kanady, Ryan Whiteside, Jeremy Huggins, and Justin Poynter.

Honorary pallbearers will be Russell Jones, Josh Dalzell, Brent Honeycutt, H.C. Martin, Roger Pierce and Brian Featherston." Atkins Chronicle

http://www.atkinschronicle.com/nonadirksmeyer.htm

I would say Ryan and Nona must have been fairly close friends.

[sololobo]

Hey jk! You know, I've seen pix of TY and he is far from dark complected from what I could see. Are there photos somewhere besides myspace for instance that show him other than fair skinned?

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/438145.html

If you click on the "Watch the eVideo" link at the above site, a young man wearing a yellow shirt can be seen walking down the stairs and standing outside the courthouse doors. The video implies this is either Trey or Jordan. Can anyone who was there verify who this is?

[ifIwereU]

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/438145.html

If you click on the "Watch the eVideo" link at the above site, a young man wearing a yellow shirt can be seen walking down the stairs and standing outside the courthouse doors. The video implies this is either Trey or Jordan. Can anyone who was there verify who this is?

the guy in the video you referred to is Trey York. The "Jim" that everyone referrs to that is close to CH and KJ is Brandon Curry....KJ'S roommate in Fayetteville! During the taped statement, KJ goes thru his cell phone with one of the detectives and gives nicknames for everyone which included Jim being BC...FLOSS was Brian Featherston and Fuggs was Jeremy Huggins.

[ifIwereU]

The only guy mentioned by Kevin during interrogations was Jordan, the guy from Springdale who testified to meeting up with Nona that very late-night-early-morning. And Cole Hudson, being a close friend of Nona's. He never mentioned Trey. I highly doubt that CH was talking about Trey when she mentioned "Jim." But, I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was talking about Trey when she was going to mention the "dark characters" on the stand (taking into consideration the leather wristband type of thing, I'm thinking he could have went a step further and took on a sort of "goth" appearance, because he did have longer hair at one point, but this is all specuation). Kevin could have known about him, but he didn't mention him . . .
By the way, the Trey having a dark complexion was pure sarcasm. He's a pasty fellow, imo.
IMO...CH could be considered a "dark character"
Takes one to know one I suppose. I heard that CH actually introduced Nona to some shady characters. IMO if KJ knew about Nona cheating...CH would have been the one to tell him.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey U! Thanks so much for filling us in. I would have never in a million years figured out that BC is Jim. Agree that Chelsea seems to be a dark character, she strikes me as somewhat of an emocialite. Interesting that CH had posted somewhere or another that that Nona, KJ, Jim and her were the best of friends. Wonder how often they were actually able to get together what with the guys in F'ville, Nona in R'ville and she being all the way in Conway.

[sololobo]

Hey jk! You know, I've seen pix of TY and he is far from dark complected from what I could see. Are there photos somewhere besides myspace for instance that show him other than fair skinned?

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/438145.html

Judging from the video posted at the above link, Trey (young man wearing a yellow shirt walking down stairs and standing outside courthouse door) appears to have a medium complexion. A few visits to a tanning booth could have possibly changed it to dark. Do you have a link to his MySpace site?

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/438145.html

Judging from the video posted at the above link, Trey (young man wearing a yellow shirt walking down stairs and standing outside courthouse door) appears to have a medium complexion. A few visits to a tanning booth could have possibly changed it to dark. Do you have a link to his MySpace site?

IMO for someone to note from a distance that a person supposedly yelling and/or banging on a door was "dark-complected," that person would have to be pretty dark. Also I don't think someone would be THAT MUCH darker to the point of being described as "dark-complected" in November/December, yet appear to be as pale as he was in that video in the middle of the summer. Unless of course you think he intentionally used some kind of skin bleach to make himself look less "dark-complected" at the trial.......He might have even removed those wrist things and hat for the same reason.

[ifIwereU]

That makes me think....does anyone have ANY idea about the extent to which K.Jo knew of Trey York's existence?

In KJ's statement he tells of Nona telling him that a guy in one of her classes had came over and made a Move on her and she "kicked him in the nuts" or "balls" KJ didn't not have a name, he said Nona would not tell him because she knew he would go after the guy and beat him up.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/438145.html

Judging from the video posted at the above link, Trey (young man wearing a yellow shirt walking down stairs and standing outside courthouse door) appears to have a medium complexion. A few visits to a tanning booth could have possibly changed it to dark. Do you have a link to his MySpace site?

He appears to be pale on Facebook also. I found him by using the search function both places.

[oxfordwebster]

From what I've been able to find out myself and from what people who were in the courtroom and people who know him, he's not anywhere close to dark-complected.

Not that we haven't been over this before, but I guess people will try anything twice if it's been long enough.

[lorettalockhorn]

From what I've been able to find out myself and from what people who were in the courtroom and people who know him, he's not anywhere close to dark-complected.

Not that we haven't been over this before, but I guess people will try anything twice if it's been long enough.

Yeah, and it would seem that TY had a pretty solid alibi. The reason that it seemed nebulous is because that's exactly how the defense wanted it be construed. Shame on the prosecution for not having been better prepared.

Hawg, you are so right. It makes zero sense to have the skin tone of Michael Jackson in summer and George Hamilton in winter.

[hawgustusgloop]

In KJ's statement he tells of Nona telling him that a guy in one of her classes had came over and made a Move on her and she "kicked him in the nuts" or "balls" KJ didn't not have a name, he said Nona would not tell him because she knew he would go after the guy and beat him up.

I have heard about this incident before, but for some reason I thought it supposedly took place in the kick-ee's dorm room. Has anyone else ever corroborated this story? Did it actually happen? I wonder if Nona ever confided in any of her friends about this and told them who it was. Wouldn't she want to warn her girlfriends on campus about this creep? I also wonder if K.Jo just made up this "bushy-haired student" story to cast suspicion in other directions. IMO if Nona would have had to kick this guy between the legs, it wouldn't be just because he made a "move," like leaned in to kiss her or put his arm around her. IMO she probably wouldn't resort to that kind of violence against somebody she knew and interacted with at school unless it was forceful and the boy ignored her when she told him to stop.

[hawgustusgloop]

The spill in the car was brought out by the prosecution to set a timeline for what York did that day. He was their witness and they were using him to set Nona's time of death. But they opened the door to quesitons the defense would be allowed in cross examination by asking about his relationship with Nona. I find the returning of the cake pan as neutral, a bit contrived sounding but possible.
The text messages are excessive in my opinion. He also testified she came over to his dorm room about 2 nights a week. York's story was that Nona aske dhimt o spend the night at her apartment, they kissed but nothing more. When asked why they weren't "hanging out" as much any more, York said he felt she used him to get a good grade in biology. But cell records show they were still text messaging as much.
In Jones voluntary interview, he says Nona told him about a guy she had a class with who had invited her to his dorm room a couple times but she thought he was creepy and she kicked him in the groin when he made a pass at her. His story of how he heard about Nona's death was completely different from what he told police. This is what got me that first day. Phone records do not back up the story he told police. Nor does the friend he talked with that night.
I will lay bets he pleads the fifth when called by the defense.

I guess this is what made me think it took place in the guy's dorm.

[hawgustusgloop]

I have followed the posts in this forum for quite some time but have never had much to say. I would, however, like to know if ANY of you were working for a police agency in this area and were tasked with taking on the investigation as it stands now, what would be your next logical step? Is there "a next logical step?" It seems to me that while KJ was found not guilty he has also insured that no one and I mean no one would ever be found guilty of the crime by completely contaminating the crime scene. Contamination to the point that even if someone else's (York or otherwise) DNA is found to be on the condom wrapper it pales in comparison to a fingerprint or palm print in Nona's blood. JMO

I think the only thing left to do is to make sure that if and when the case file becomes accessible to the public, the alibis of all the people in Nona's life who could even remotely be suspected of her murder (especially the revolving suspects du jour on this board) are verified beyond a shadow of a doubt (they could be already for all I know). Also, there should be plenty of documentation regarding the exploration of the "random crazy person" committing this crime and why that was discounted. I guess the basic idea is to re-interview the key players....who knows....maybe they'll feel a little more free to talk now that K.Jo is off the hook?.....and let the investigation speak for itself. I thought there was an article a long time ago that suggested that the RPD essentially conducted the investigation twice to be sure anyway. I do not envy the position of any investigators on this case. What did investigators do in the O.J. Simpson case after he was acquitted? No matter who looks at the case or how deeply someone delves, IMO all roads are still gonna lead to K.Jo.

You are right about no one ever being able to be convicted....it would be beyond simple for a defense attorney to cast reasonable doubt on his or her client's guilt by saying that Nona's shady cheating drug-abusing boyfriend's palm print was found in uncoagulated blood on what was likely the murder weapon.

[sololobo]

From what I've been able to find out myself and from what people who were in the courtroom and people who know him, he's not anywhere close to dark-complected.

Not that we haven't been over this before, but I guess people will try anything twice if it's been long enough.

What are you implying here? I did not "try" anything. I posted a video that shows Trey with a medium complexion, not pasty, pale or fair-skinned as everyone here is claiming to discredit a witness. I did not say he had a dark complexion, merely that a tanning booth could have made him darker at the time of the murder. And tanning booths are popular during the winter.

[hawgustusgloop]

What are you implying here? I did not "try" anything. I posted a video that shows Trey with a medium complexion, not pasty, pale or fair-skinned as everyone here is claiming to discredit a witness. I did not say he had a dark complexion, merely that a tanning booth could have made him darker at the time of the murder. And tanning booths are popular during the winter.

Dude is pale, and tanning booths are not popular during the winter.

[sololobo]

Dude is pale, and tanning booths are not popular during the winter.

Trey in the video is not pale. Nor does he have a dark complexion. And while tanning booths are not jammed with customers during the winter months like they are during the spring, they certainly don't shut down then.

[oxfordwebster]

A video is a video, and it can end up being darker or lighter than normal because of a host of reasons.

I'm going to go with the multiple people in the courtroom that day, and the people I've talked to that know Trey, who all say that the guy is hardly dark-complected and that he's actually a pale dude.

Then again, it must be a conspiracy for everyone to say that.

[TJEddie]

Any local rumors/reports on the alleged 48 Hours/Dateline investigations?

[hawgustusgloop]

Any local rumors/reports on the alleged 48 Hours/Dateline investigations?

Here's a rumor:

Thank you, I have not been able to find the air time! Please let us know more information as you get it, I would like to see the segment.
Did you find out who has been interviewed so far? Diperts, Jones, prosecution, defense? I have heard some sides are cooperating with 48 hours and some sides with Dateline. But that neither are cooperating with both.Appreciate what you can find out!

I have heard that the Dateline feature should air in December and the 48 Hours program will be on sometime after the first of the year.

I am extremely interested to see how this case is presented on both shows.


Any local rumors/reports on that ridiculous lawsuit filed by Ryan Whiteside?

[sololobo]

A video is a video, and it can end up being darker or lighter than normal because of a host of reasons.

I'm going to go with the multiple people in the courtroom that day, and the people I've talked to that know Trey, who all say that the guy is hardly dark-complected and that he's actually a pale dude.

Then again, it must be a conspiracy for everyone to say that.

Comparing Trey's skin tone with others in the video, I can only conclude he had a medium complexion and was not pale. I will believe my eyes.

[oxfordwebster]

Comparing Trey's skin tone with others in the video, I can only conclude he had a medium complexion and was not pale. I will believe my eyes.Maybe everyone else was even more pale, huh? Huh?

Edit: This post brought to you by Serious Business.

[CSOKC]

This may have already been asked and answered. I've only been able to read about 100 pages so far, but is there anything specific that made the RPD rule out Jared Berry? I used to live in Russellville, and I met him about a month after the murder. He was very strange...

[CSOKC]

Maybe I should have clarified a little more. The reason I say strange is that every time I saw him he was drunk, crying and talking about Nona. It just seemed a little weird to me because I didn't know him or Nona. So why talk to me about it? Also, he moved out of the state just a few months later.

[oxfordwebster]

Maybe I should have clarified a little more. The reason I say strange is that every time I saw him he was drunk, crying and talking about Nona. It just seemed a little weird to me because I didn't know him or Nona. So why talk to me about it? Also, he moved out of the state just a few months later.It's almost as if a tragic event occurred and the people she knew were so upset about it that they couldn't hold it in, regardless of who they were talking to.

[CSOKC]

It's almost as if a tragic event occurred and the people she knew were so upset about it that they couldn't hold it in, regardless of who they were talking to.
I would agree with that if he didn't seem so happy before drinking. If someone was "so upset" I don't think they would go out and have a good time, only to switch to crying constantly after they got a drink or two in them.

[oxfordwebster]

I would agree with that if he didn't seem so happy before drinking. If someone was "so upset" I don't think they would go out and have a good time, only to switch to crying constantly after they got a drink or two in them.It's almost as if people lose their inhibitions and personal walls when they drink.

[CSOKC]

You can defend the behavior all you want. But it still doesn't answer the question of why he was ruled out. I'm not here to argue about anything, I was simply curious as to why he was cleared.

[oxfordwebster]

You can defend the behavior all you want. But it still doesn't answer the question of why he was ruled out. I'm not here to argue about anything, I was simply curious as to why he was cleared.Well, I'll defend the behavior because you're throwing out some pretty baseless reasons for why he would be suspicious in the first place.

I imagine that if there were even a partial reason for Berry to be suspect, the defense would have been jumping at it in a heartbeat. Instead, we never hear about him until the jury digs into phone records and asking questions about people that has so little involvement that they weren't even brought up during trial.

[CSOKC]

Well, I'll defend the behavior because you're throwing out some pretty baseless reasons for why he would be suspicious in the first place.

I imagine that if there were even a partial reason for Berry to be suspect, the defense would have been jumping at it in a heartbeat. Instead, we never hear about him until the jury digs into phone records and asking questions about people that has so little involvement that they weren't even brought up during trial.
If I remember correctly he was brought up during the trial. Didn't one of the classmates hear about Nona's murder from JB around 7:00? That seemed a little early considering that the detective heard about it at 6:30.

Besides, I never said he did it. I just said he was strange and wondered how he had been cleared. Through everything that I've read on here and also papers at the time that the murder happened, I actually think that Kevin did in fact do it.

[oxfordwebster]

If I remember correctly he was brought up during the trial. Didn't one of the classmates hear about Nona's murder from JB around 7:00? That seemed a little early considering that the detective heard about it at 6:30.

Besides, I never said he did it. I just said he was strange and wondered how he had been cleared. Through everything that I've read on here and also papers at the time that the murder happened, I actually think that Kevin did in fact do it.I don't think it's early. These kids can call 20 people on their cell phones and all of a sudden that network spiders out uncontrollably. Everyone could have known within an hour that knew her.

I just also think it's a little odd that you're calling him strange and asking how he were cleared, as if there were some reason that he would need to be cleared. Just because someone knew her doesn't make them a suspect.

[CSOKC]

I don't think it's early. These kids can call 20 people on their cell phones and all of a sudden that network spiders out uncontrollably. Everyone could have known within an hour that knew her.

I just also think it's a little odd that you're calling him strange and asking how he were cleared, as if there were some reason that he would need to be cleared. Just because someone knew her doesn't make them a suspect.
No, but the detective telling me that he looked into him does.

[oxfordwebster]

No, but the detective telling me that he looked into him does.Oh, okay. So I guess you have some sort of inside information since apparently you are having conversations with "the detective" about Berry, so maybe you can fill us in on exactly why you find him suspicious?

[CSOKC]

Either way the point is being missed. I'm not looking for an opinion, I'm just asking if he was ruled out for a sepcific reason.

[CSOKC]

Actually I did have a conversation with Mr. Frost about him. But I obviously don't have inside information or I wouldn't be asking this question on here.

[lorettalockhorn]

Either way the point is being missed. I'm not looking for an opinion, I'm just asking if he was ruled out for a sepcific reason.

Hey CSOKC! Nice to have you here. Did you learn anything from the detective that you can share?

I would assume that the way to rule out any suspect(s) would be ironclad alibi. But maybe not.

[CSOKC]

Hey CSOKC! Nice to have you here. Did you learn anything from the detective that you can share?

I would assume that the way to rule out any suspect(s) would be ironclad alibi. But maybe not.
Oddly enough, he emailed me again after I posted today to let me know that he spoke with JB again and feels comfortable enough with the interviews to rule him out. He does not believe that there were any signs that JB was in Nona's apartment that day.

[sololobo]

Oddly enough, he emailed me again after I posted today to let me know that he spoke with JB again and feels comfortable enough with the interviews to rule him out. He does not believe that there were any signs that JB was in Nona's apartment that day.

Welcome to the board, CSOKC:)

[Manning]

Oddly enough, he emailed me again after I posted today to let me know that he spoke with JB again and feels comfortable enough with the interviews to rule him out. He does not believe that there were any signs that JB was in Nona's apartment that day.
Mr. Frost emailed you?

[hawgustusgloop]

Oddly enough, he emailed me again after I posted today to let me know that he spoke with JB again and feels comfortable enough with the interviews to rule him out. He does not believe that there were any signs that JB was in Nona's apartment that day.

Welcome to Nona's forum! How did he know it was you who posted? He must REALLY be a good detective. How do I get on his mailing list for case updates?

[hawgustusgloop]

Didn't one of the classmates hear about Nona's murder from JB around 7:00? That seemed a little early considering that the detective heard about it at 6:30.


From the Courier's witness summary of Sara Bailey's testimony:

"Bailey testified that another classmate, Jared Berry, told her of Dirksmeyer’s death some time between 7 and 10 p.m. on Dec. 15."

I guess it's all in how you want to interpret it.

[nobody]

My perception of early knowledge is via scanners. My limited knowledge is that police and emergency crews use codes - that are not too hard to figure out. My mother use to listen to a scanner that would pick up any active frequencies in the area - she would often know about local auto accidents and events right away because she memorized a few codes and learned the lingo. I do not think they mention names though. I think they would give location and a few nonspecifics.
anyone have more info on scanner use?

[lorettalockhorn]

Scanner addict here. 911 dispatches resources to an address which is given. When first responders call signal 64 or ask for Pope 108 (coroner), the victim is obviously dead, but the name(s) is not given out (usually). You can sometimes extrapolate information from what is given in ten code and/or by being familiar with the location.

Examples of ten codes: http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/polcodes.htm

Does it not make sense that one of the three (KJ, JJ, or RW) called someone after the 911 call and put the information out to Nona's friends?

[nobody]

Does it not make sense that one of the three (KJ, JJ, or RW) called someone after the 911 call and put the information out to Nona's friends?

I could understandably see JJ and RW calling people after being released - I don't think KJ had time to call, but perhaps he could have. Attempting to imagine the situation, I think I would have wanted to talk to anyone that would listen.

[lorettalockhorn]

I can easily imagine KJ texting or calling CH immediately or asking RW to do so (if it didn't occur to him independently).

[nobody]

I do not think we were ever given a Biology professor's name - the one who presented her with a final exam that day, also the one who loaned his/her own cell phone to another student (to call Nona). Anyone know?

Reference: http://www.atu.edu/acad/catalog/Graduate/2004/Gradadmin&faculty.pdf

[nobody]

I can easily imagine KJ texting or calling CH immediately or asking RW to do so (if it didn't occur to him independently).

true...
I guess texting during alleged rapes, texting while driving your dads truck, and texting while finding your murdered girlfriend - with your frantic mother are all pretty intense - unless texting is easy for you. (which they seemed to be, based on the first two).

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep, Kev seems to be quite the textpert.

I have a Fall 2005 class schedule, but I don't know exactly which biology class Nona was taking. There were thirteen+ profs that semester teaching biology courses. Unfortunately, I don't have a test schedule to make things simpler.

[nobody]

Yep, Kev seems to be quite the textpert.

I have a Fall 2005 class schedule, but I don't know exactly which biology class Nona was taking. There were thirteen+ profs that semester teaching biology courses. Unfortunately, I don't have a test schedule to make things simpler.

The interviews semi-quoted two music professors, why not do the same for the biology professors? Did the bio-professors refuse to comment? I'm not casting suspicion, but I believe their testiment might have been particularly leading (considering the study groups involved).

[hawgustusgloop]

I could understandably see JJ and RW calling people after being released - I don't think KJ had time to call, but perhaps he could have. Attempting to imagine the situation, I think I would have wanted to talk to anyone that would listen.

For some reason I thought that K.Jo called Duane Dipert to tell him what happened and he supposedly sounded very calm? I could easily be mistaken about that and have it confused with the 911 call, though.

[nobody]

DD's comments are more bias than anyone in this case. He admitted he was not close to ND. IMO - KJ got no sympothy or reasonable doubt on his behalf, unlike CD's initial response of disbelief. I believe he was an influencial voice in CDs ear, ensuring the RPD investigation appeared true.

I am still apalled that DD wanted to upgrade his phone for a "new one" - since CD was paying the bill.

I think it's cocky that he felt the need to parade his alibi (receipts) in front of the RPD and question why they did not have him on the suspect list.

Considering that he thought of ND as "CD's responsibility - not his own, since he had his own kids", I find it interesting that he verbally attacked KJ based on another blog entry in a Beauty Pageant website.

Unfortunate for CD and ND, I think DD unintentionally did more damage to the case than anyone (with exception to KJ and DF).

In summary - he would fall around #4 in my suspect list.

[nobody]

Here is my current order of suspects:
1. TY
2. CH
3. KJ
4. Unknown
5. DD

[hawgustusgloop]

DD's comments are more bias than anyone in this case. He admitted he was not close to ND. IMO - KJ got no sympothy or reasonable doubt on his behalf, unlike CD's initial response of disbelief. I believe he was an influencial voice in CDs ear, ensuring the RPD investigation appeared true.

I am still apalled that DD wanted to upgrade his phone for a "new one" - since CD was paying the bill.

I think it's cocky that he felt the need to parade his alibi (receipts) in front of the RPD and question why they did not have him on the suspect list.

Considering that he thought of ND as "CD's responsibility - not his own, since he had his own kids", I find it interesting that he verbally attacked KJ based on another blog entry in a Beauty Pageant website.

Unfortunate for CD and ND, I think DD unintentionally did more damage to the case than anyone (with exception to KJ and DF).

In summary - he would fall around #4 in my suspect list.

This makes no sense......so DD is biased against K.Jo. OK. He wasn't that close to Nona (but described their relationship as cordial). OK (I for one can definitely see why Nona would be hesitant to form close relationships with older males). He was being "cocky" when he PROVIDED HIS ALIBI RECEIPTS to the police. OK. He "UNintentionally" did damage to the case. OK.

So, how does that get summarized to mean that he is a suspect?

[hawgustusgloop]

Here is my current order of suspects:
1. TY
2. CH
3. KJ
4. Unknown
5. DD


This is a pretty interesting list. I would like to know why CH is higher on your list than K.Jo. Was she even in Russellville at the time?

[FDInLaw]

This is a pretty interesting list. I would like to know why CH is higher on your list than K.Jo. Was she even in Russellville at the time?
Coming out of silence to say. . . I'm LMBO over this one. . . Chelsea was in Conway! Funny stuff. Physical proximity is not everything but it does matter folks!

[nobody]

I did not remember reading about her being in Conway. Do you have more to add to this? What is Conway - 40 min away?

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm wondering what the motive for anyone on nobody's list besides KJ and perhaps CH would even be to kill Nona. So Duane didn't butt into Carol and Nona's relationship. BFD I consider that to be respectful considering Nona's background. It makes much more sense to me for DD to provide LE with an alibi than for them not to have originally considered him a suspect, what with statistics most often pointing to someone close to the victim. I'm sure that it's even possible that the vocal and damned near insane sounding Duane Haters were blaming him early on because of their own problems with him. So he came forward to help the investigation. Who wouldn't?

[nobody]

She was present at he rape allegation - saw her get drugged, raped, and left her there naked. But offered to tell her story.

She told her own mom about Nona's self-mutilations. She also brought it up during the case - to explain her pageant themes.

Her name was the only one left in the cellphone memory. Was this before or after DD erased everything?

She claimed to be Nona's "Best Friend".

Then - here is one of her statements:

kevin is my best friend. he and nona and jim and i were all best friends together. people need to stop pointing fingers and start praying, holding hands, and showing love to one another. i know with all of my heart, soul, and being that kevin is innocent. i know this and there is no way for me to ever prove it to you or anyone else out there. but i will die knowing he is innocent, believing it with every piece of me. and this isn't childish igorance, this isn't me overlooking what i don't want to see. this is me, a little girl who was forced to grow up too quickly in a ****ty situation, and who was then thrown into a whirlwind of death and murder and terror, and has now grown up to see that the world isn't as perfect as she once thought it to be. this is me telling the whole world right now that if they truly believe kevin jones did this, then they have to be the stupidest people i've ever met in my entire life because the sadness i saw that night.. that terrible ****ing night, that was the kind of sorrow that nobody should EVER have to experience.

i picked kevin jones up off my kitchen floor that night because that boy was too empty to move. i saw him fall to his knees, tears in his eyes, hands to God, wailing about his lost angel, nona, and how much he wanted her back. i watched him cry, i stayed up with him EVERY goddamned night of that week, holding him and listening to him, trying to comfort him in any way possible. i love him. and he loved Nona. and if there is anyone in this world who thinks something else, then i want nothing to do with any of you because nothing you say will convince me of anything else. i know the truth. i know kevin is innocent. and i will always believe that. i only believe the truth.

i still stay up at night thinking about her. i still have hour long conversations with kevin on my cell phone at night when we both can't sleep because we miss her too much. this is a bond that nothing and nobody will ever be able to break. death doesn't kill true love. it only delays it. and i know that one day we will all be together again and kevin will once again be truly happy. and until that day, everyone out there should just leave him the hell alone.. he's been through enough without everyone screaming and pointing and accusing him of something he would never do.. he would give anything to be put in her place, to keep her on this earth, to let her live. he would have died for her. but he would never have killed her. he loved her too much and he will die loving her just as much.

that is all i have to say on this subject and that is all i'm going to say."

[LurkerNoMore]

This makes no sense......so DD is biased against K.Jo. OK. He wasn't that close to Nona (but described their relationship as cordial). OK (I for one can definitely see why Nona would be hesitant to form close relationships with older males). He was being "cocky" when he PROVIDED HIS ALIBI RECEIPTS to the police. OK. He "UNintentionally" did damage to the case. OK.

So, how does that get summarized to mean that he is a suspect?

DD should have been considered a suspect because:

1. Investigating 101, look at all the people around the victim.
2. DD lived in close proximity to Nona.
3. One would assume DD had or could get access to the apartment.
4. One would assume that Nona would let DD into her apartment.
5. It is rumored that Nona and DD did not have a good relationship.

Then you take into consideration the cell phone.

I'm not saying that DD did this. I am just saying he was or should have been a suspect. Same for Kevin, Trey, JM, Jared, Jordan, and any other males Nona had contact with beyond that of merely friendship.

Several things here in one post.

Does anyone know why the jury asked about Jared after viewing the phone records? Was there something contained in them that made them say, Hmmmmm? I don't like that so many times we fall back on the answer, "Well, if there was anything there, the defense or prosecution would have brought it up." I don't buy that. We don't have anyone found guilty of Nona's murder. We can't take things at face value and we can't just assume all stones were overturned and examined.

IMO there are so many possibilities as to what happened that you could take any number of suspects and build a case around them.

I was watching the news on that little girl that is missing over in Europe, Madeline, back a couple of weeks ago when they were focusing on the parents as suspects. Analyzing this development, one commentator said that the police should look at the parents but keep working possible on other situations as well. This ties up all loose ends. Unfortunately for me, we've got way too many loose ends here.

In addition to the guys that Nona was seeing or had seen, did these guys have jealous girlfriends as well? Possible.

There's just so much here.

I just wish the case file was open to the public. I think that wish is something we could all agree on.

[lorettalockhorn]

i picked kevin jones up off my kitchen floor that night because that boy was too empty to move. i saw him fall to his knees, tears in his eyes, hands to God, wailing about his lost angel, nona, and how much he wanted her back. i watched him cry, i stayed up with him EVERY goddamned night of that week, holding him and listening to him, trying to comfort him in any way possible. i love him. and he loved Nona.

Yet he was not too prostrate with grief to be online almost immediately after the murder, seemingly happy at Nona's funeral and partying like an animal during what many would consider to be a mourning period. (Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt for one minute that CH was offering KJ all sorts of solace.)

[lorettalockhorn]

DD should have been considered a suspect because:

1. Investigating 101, look at all the people around the victim.
2. DD lived in close proximity to Nona.
3. One would assume DD had or could get access to the apartment.
4. One would assume that Nona would let DD into her apartment.
5. It is rumored that Nona and DD did not have a good relationship.

Then you take into consideration the cell phone.

I'm not saying that DD did this. I am just saying he was or should have been a suspect. Same for Kevin, Trey, JM, Jared, Jordan, and any other males Nona had contact with beyond that of merely friendship.

Several things here in one post.

Does anyone know why the jury asked about Jared after viewing the phone records? Was there something contained in them that made them say, Hmmmmm? I don't like that so many times we fall back on the answer, "Well, if there was anything there, the defense or prosecution would have brought it up." I don't buy that. We don't have anyone found guilty of Nona's murder. We can't take things at face value and we can't just assume all stones were overturned and examined.

IMO there are so many possibilities as to what happened that you could take any number of suspects and build a case around them.

I was watching the news on that little girl that is missing over in Europe, Madeline, back a couple of weeks ago when they were focusing on the parents as suspects. Analyzing this development, one commentator said that the police should look at the parents but keep working possible on other situations as well. This ties up all loose ends. Unfortunately for me, we've got way too many loose ends here.

In addition to the guys that Nona was seeing or had seen, did these guys have jealous girlfriends as well? Possible.

There's just so much here.

I just wish the case file was open to the public. I think that wish is something we could all agree on.

I'll agree that DD should have been a suspect early on simply because of statistics, but he was cleared. I've never heard that he and Nona did not have a good relationship. Carol and Duane were embarking on a new marriage and Nona was embarking on a new phase of her life, her moving out doesn't indicate anything more than that unless there are facts to support ill feelings between her and DD. I don't for a minute think that Carol would marry a man that Nona actively disliked.

Why was the jury interested in Jared? They seemed to have deliberated with the information that RPD, Trey York, Jared? and even Nona, herself among others were on trial.

[hawgustusgloop]

DD should have been considered a suspect because:

1. Investigating 101, look at all the people around the victim.
2. DD lived in close proximity to Nona.
3. One would assume DD had or could get access to the apartment.
4. One would assume that Nona would let DD into her apartment.
5. It is rumored that Nona and DD did not have a good relationship.

Then you take into consideration the cell phone.



Of course, he should have been considered a suspect. I said that nobody's post made no sense because it outlined several things that made it seem like DD was NOT involved and then said, "In summary, he would fall around #4 in my suspect list." :confused:

[nobody]

From my understanding DD and CD lived in a house on skyline - and from my past experiences those typically were good size. Probably even more secure than a sliding glass door with a blue stick.
ND, a collge student - I imagine not making very much money - if any at all. Her mom shared a cell phone plan with her. She drove a mustang, possibly paid off - but the insurance higher. She chooses to live alone in what appears to be a Sh*thole apartment. What do those apartments cost? I'm guessing at least $350 monthly or were they some sort of HUD house - costing maybe $150? I imagine CD helped her financially - but they probably would have saved considerable money if she had lived on Skyliine.
Is it reasonable to spend that much, just for independence?

On contrary, DD did have a key - not sure why - since she was not his responsibility. Perhaps, he was a co-signer of sorts. However, on contrary, if ND had bad relations with him - most likely he would not have had a spare key.

[oxfordwebster]

Yeah, nobody, Nona didn't want independence at all because everybody hitting that age does. She was trying to run from the big, bad stepfather.

You people are a laugh.

[nobody]

If she had been moving in with a room mate - sure I could understand. But, to move into that place by yourself. (?) Do I believe DD was a "bad" stepfather? - if so, CD was oblivious or atleast silent about it. I have no clue to who DD is - I am only considering the statements he has made.

It's all I have to talk about or analyze -

I think it beats newly risen conversations of I ran into a crying, crazy drunk who ranted about Nona's death and why was he ever ruled out - oh, nevermind the top prosecutor emailed me just now and said because he was never considered in the case. (sarcasm)

[oxfordwebster]

If she had been moving in with a room mate - sure I could understand. But, to move into that place by yourself. (?)No, you're right. Kids never move out once they go to college. You've got this one nailed.

By the way, her last apartment isn't the first one she moved into.

[hawgustusgloop]

If she had been moving in with a room mate - sure I could understand. But, to move into that place by yourself. (?) Do I believe DD was a "bad" stepfather? - if so, CD was oblivious or atleast silent about it. I have no clue to who DD is - I am only considering the statements he has made.

It's all I have to talk about or analyze -

I think it beats newly risen conversations of I ran into a crying, crazy drunk who ranted about Nona's death and why was he ever ruled out - oh, nevermind the top prosecutor emailed me just now and said because he was never considered in the case. (sarcasm)

:confused: I thought when she did move out originally, she moved in with a roommate. Wasn't there a girl who said Nona was security conscious to the point of locking her out when she went to take the trash out? BTW, Frost was not the "top prosecutor."

I don't think it beats the conversations about the crying drunk at all. It's all the same to me, really. Well, the crying drunk story didn't involve as much incorrect information, I guess.

[lorettalockhorn]

Right, my understanding was that she did have a roomie in her first apartment. I just don't find it odd at all that she might want the privacy of living alone.

Not sure that I grasped nobody's previous comments about DD having a key. I assumed that the Dipert key was Carol's and probably was on her keychain.

[Amy]

Here is my current order of suspects:
1. TY
2. CH
3. KJ
4. Unknown
5. DD


Why would CH be on the list? Just curious, it had not entered my tho'ts. But, neither had DD.

TIA

[Amy]

Right, my understanding was that she did have a roomie in her first apartment. I just don't find it odd at all that she might want the privacy of living alone.

Not sure that I grasped nobody's previous comments about DD having a key. I assumed that the Dipert key was Carol's and probably was on her keychain.

I don't find a college age girl moving out on her own telling of anything, either. Just that she is a college girl, sounds like maybe there were things going on in her life that would not be acceptable in her mother's home. Things her mother might not approve of, having nothing to do with Nona's relationship with DD.

And, quite possibly, after having a roommate, she might have decided it to be easier to live alone. No matter how amicable the roommate situation is, there are always some little idiosyncracies on the part of each roomie that can drive the other up the wall. (Been there, done that, as I suppose many posters have.)

[oxfordwebster]

I don't find a college age girl moving out on her own telling of anything, either. Just that she is a college girl, sounds like maybe there were things going on in her life that would not be acceptable in her mother's home. Things her mother might not approve of, having nothing to do with Nona's relationship with DD.So every college-age kid who moves out of their parent's home is showing signs of doing things that "would not be acceptable"?

Man, there are some weird logic jumps going on lately.

[CSOKC]

If she had been moving in with a room mate - sure I could understand. But, to move into that place by yourself. (?) Do I believe DD was a "bad" stepfather? - if so, CD was oblivious or atleast silent about it. I have no clue to who DD is - I am only considering the statements he has made.

It's all I have to talk about or analyze -

I think it beats newly risen conversations of I ran into a crying, crazy drunk who ranted about Nona's death and why was he ever ruled out - oh, nevermind the top prosecutor emailed me just now and said because he was never considered in the case. (sarcasm)
I don't understand why people find it necessary to act like people would have any reason to make things up. I emailed him, he emailed me. That's normally how things go, right? And he never said that he wasn't considered. He said that he talked to him three times, but after those interviews he decided that there was no sign that JB had been in Nona's apartment that day. There's a big difference.

[hawgustusgloop]

I don't understand why people find it necessary to act like people would have any reason to make things up. I emailed him, he emailed me. That's normally how things go, right? And he never said that he wasn't considered. He said that he talked to him three times, but after those interviews he decided that there was no sign that JB had been in Nona's apartment that day. There's a big difference.

OK, that makes a little more sense. I thought you were saying that Mark Frost saw your post here, figured out who you were, and emailed you in response. So, did you actually witness JB drinking/crying/talking about Nona? What types of things did he say? Did you say he moved out of town? How soon after the murder was that? Where did he move to and why did he say he was moving? We don't really know much about him here. No one had really heard about him until the jury asked for more information about him during deliberations. Do you personally think he could have been involved?

[CSOKC]

OK, that makes a little more sense. I thought you were saying that Mark Frost saw your post here, figured out who you were, and emailed you in response. So, did you actually witness JB drinking/crying/talking about Nona? What types of things did he say? Did you say he moved out of town? How soon after the murder was that? Where did he move to and why did he say he was moving? We don't really know much about him here. No one had really heard about him until the jury asked for more information about him during deliberations. Do you personally think he could have been involved?
JB worked with my sister, so that's how I met him. He talked to her more, but he did talk to me a few times also. He mainly just talked about how much he loved her, and he also seemed to think they were together. He actually didn't just move out of town, he moved out of state. I think this was like 4 or 5 months after the murder. As far as I know he never gave a reason why he was moving, he just said he was moving and then left. At first all of the things I read about him on here, and saw that the jury had asked about him, made me wonder if he might have been involved. That's what prompted me to email Frost. But he seemed confident that he wasn't involved, so maybe it's like oxford said and JB was just devastated.

[hawgustusgloop]

JB worked with my sister, so that's how I met him. He talked to her more, but he did talk to me a few times also. He mainly just talked about how much he loved her, and he also seemed to think they were together. He actually didn't just move out of town, he moved out of state. I think this was like 4 or 5 months after the murder. As far as I know he never gave a reason why he was moving, he just said he was moving and then left. At first all of the things I read about him on here, and saw that the jury had asked about him, made me wonder if he might have been involved. That's what prompted me to email Frost. But he seemed confident that he wasn't involved, so maybe it's like oxford said and JB was just devastated.

I think you did the right thing by emailing Frost with the information you had. Kevin Jones was arrested at the end of March of 2006. Do you think JB moved out of state before or after the arrest? It could be possible that Nona was seeing him or at least being flirtatious with him. I have always wondered if he was the one who sent the "I wonder why you are leading me on" text message the defense attorneys mentioned. I wondered if that statement from the defense coupled with Nona's phone records led the jury to ask for more information about him. Was there anything else about JB's personality that made him seem suspicious? Or did he just act like someone might act who lost someone he really cared about?

[CSOKC]

I think you did the right thing by emailing Frost with the information you had. Kevin Jones was arrested at the end of March of 2006. Do you think JB moved out of state before or after the arrest? It could be possible that Nona was seeing him or at least being flirtatious with him. I have always wondered if he was the one who sent the "I wonder why you are leading me on" text message the defense attorneys mentioned. I wondered if that statement from the defense coupled with Nona's phone records led the jury to ask for more information about him. Was there anything else about JB's personality that made him seem suspicious? Or did he just act like someone might act who lost someone he really cared about?
I honestly can't remember if he moved before or after the arrest. I've wondered the same thing about that text message though. The other text messages mentioned have a name connected with them, I was curious why this one didn't. But like I said, I only met him a few times, I just remembered that he always drank and cried. I think he might have written a song too. I may have read too much into it just because of things that I read on this board.

[LurkerNoMore]

I think you did the right thing by emailing Frost with the information you had. Kevin Jones was arrested at the end of March of 2006. Do you think JB moved out of state before or after the arrest? It could be possible that Nona was seeing him or at least being flirtatious with him. I have always wondered if he was the one who sent the "I wonder why you are leading me on" text message the defense attorneys mentioned. I wondered if that statement from the defense coupled with Nona's phone records led the jury to ask for more information about him. Was there anything else about JB's personality that made him seem suspicious? Or did he just act like someone might act who lost someone he really cared about?

My line of thinking, as far as the "are you leading me on" text message, is that it was Jared.

Let's take that assumption and pretend it were fact, for the sake of this post.
I want to know if this message was able to be viewed on Nona's phone the day of her death.

Some assumed the text message from York set off the killer. Could the text message from Jared, if that was who it was from, have set off the killer upon being viewed? Especially a test message such as "Why are you leading me on?" (Yes, I am aware that could implicate Kevin. I'm posting my thoughts here in an unbiased manner.)

Or, could the killer have fumbled with the phone to try and erase a text message, such as "why are you leading me on?" Why didn't the killer just take the cell phone? Maybe the killer knew about the cell phone tracking capabilities that are out there. The killer thought it would be better to try and hide something that was on the phone.

I want to know how Jared was crossed off the suspect list. I want to know if Jared really thought he was "with Nona."

I am newly invigorated. Not that I am saying Jared did it... I'm just looking at the cell phone in a different light. I think the cell phone is crucial.

I wish we could see those records. I think the answer to everything is in the cell phone.

[hawgustusgloop]

My line of thinking, as far as the "are you leading me on" text message, is that it was Jared.

Let's take that assumption and pretend it were fact, for the sake of this post.
I want to know if this message was able to be viewed on Nona's phone the day of her death.

Some assumed the text message from York set off the killer. Could the text message from Jared, if that was who it was from, have set off the killer upon being viewed? Especially a test message such as "Why are you leading me on?" (Yes, I am aware that could implicate Kevin. I'm posting my thoughts here in an unbiased manner.)

Or, could the killer have fumbled with the phone to try and erase a text message, such as "why are you leading me on?" Why didn't the killer just take the cell phone? Maybe the killer knew about the cell phone tracking capabilities that are out there. The killer thought it would be better to try and hide something that was on the phone.

I want to know how Jared was crossed off the suspect list. I want to know if Jared really thought he was "with Nona."

I am newly invigorated. Not that I am saying Jared did it... I'm just looking at the cell phone in a different light. I think the cell phone is crucial.

I wish we could see those records. I think the answer to everything is in the cell phone.

I agree with this line of thinking. If that message could be viewed on the phone that day, it might seem a lot more inflammatory than TY's simple "Please call me." If Nona was preoccupied with something and K.Jo noticed a text come in on her phone, maybe he was curious to check it out. If he saw it was from TY, maybe he got suspicious and decided to scroll back through her recent messages. Regardless of which male it was from, I could see the "leading me on" message making K.Jo pretty upset.

Just thinking out loud.

[ifIwereU]

Here is my current order of suspects:
1. TY
2. CH
3. KJ
4. Unknown
5. DD

if someone other than Kevin Jones commited this crime....how lucky is that person!!!! How lucky for them that KJ went into that scene and completey and utterly contaminated the scene so that even the slightest trace of the real killer was not found, only the palm print on the murder weapon and the hands all over the deceased were that of KJ. If there is a different person other than Kevin Jones responsible then that person should spring for KJ a trip to the Bajamas or heck Paris.....for letting them get off the hook!! And I say shame on him!

[ifIwereU]

I honestly can't remember if he moved before or after the arrest. I've wondered the same thing about that text message though. The other text messages mentioned have a name connected with them, I was curious why this one didn't. But like I said, I only met him a few times, I just remembered that he always drank and cried. I think he might have written a song too. I may have read too much into it just because of things that I read on this board.it was my understanding that Jared Berry was not from Rsvl to begin with...I thought he was from NW Arkansas...so moving away from RSVL would not have been a big deal IMO....however the binge drinking and sobbing is of concern to me....when people have a hard time dealing with things they have done they often begin to do things that will help them cope....(i.e. drinking, drug use, etc.) If JB doesn't have an alibi then I would be concerned...but like I put in my last post...how lucky for him that KJ contaminated the crime scene for him so that his involvement could never be know....I don't think it's a coincidence....

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm a little confused. Yes, we know that Jared aroused the suspicion of the jury, but exactly why? Simply because of the volume of calls/texts between him and Nona? Or was the jury actually looking at the text of those text messages and was he indeed the one who made the "why are you leading me on?" message? Honestly, I was under the impression that the jury only saw the billing statements.

I'm assuming that Jared either had an airtight alibi for that day and/or was able to eradicate any evidence to indicate that he was on the scene.

With regard to the drinking and or binge drinking and or weird behavior, I'm reminded of the behaviors of KJ, RW, CH, et alii. Jared getting drunk and expressing morose over Nona's death actually makes more sense to me than getting drunk, providing alcohol (and possibly drugs) and engaging in a gang bang with an underage drinker while friends stand mutely by.

(Jared Berry is listed in the ATU alumni directory as being a member of the class of '05. I didn't find him in the program for Fall '05 or Spring '06 graduation. Does anyone know if/when he graduated?)

[LurkerNoMore]

I'm a little confused. Yes, we know that Jared aroused the suspicion of the jury, but exactly why? Simply because of the volume of calls/texts between him and Nona? Or was the jury actually looking at the text of those text messages and was he indeed the one who made the "why are you leading me on?" message? Honestly, I was under the impression that the jury only saw the billing statements.

I'm assuming that Jared either had an airtight alibi for that day and/or was able to eradicate any evidence to indicate that he was on the scene.

With regard to the drinking and or binge drinking and or weird behavior, I'm reminded of the behaviors of KJ, RW, CH, et alii. Jared getting drunk and expressing morose over Nona's death actually makes more sense to me than getting drunk, providing alcohol (and possibly drugs) and engaging in a gang bang with an underage drinker while friends stand mutely by.

(Jared Berry is listed in the ATU alumni directory as being a member of the class of '05. I didn't find him in the program for Fall '05 or Spring '06 graduation. Does anyone know if/when he graduated?)

Are we sure that Jared Berry and the Jared in the cell phone were the same person?

[lorettalockhorn]

Are we sure that Jared Berry and the Jared in the cell phone were the same person?

No I did kinda make a leap there, didn't I? :punch: I do know that the jury was interested in Jared? and asked if they could investigate him or whatever. Then there is Jared Berry who is the one who notified Sara Bailey about Nona's death.

You're absolutely right, they may not be the same guy.

[hawgustusgloop]

Are we sure that Jared Berry and the Jared in the cell phone were the same person?

No. At least, I'm not sure. I just know that when we were all discussing the fact that the jury asked about him, someone mentioned the fact that they had access to Nona's phone records. I have always wondered who sent that "leading me on" message, since it was never brought up after the defense mentioned it once. I thought maybe the defense planted that seed, and the jury ran with it. It has definitely caused me to wonder if JB sent it, and what other similar messages they may have sent back and forth.

The simple fact that Sara Bailey said that JB told her of Nona's death between 7 and 10 p.m. may have certainly been enough to arouse their suspicion, though.

I am not 100% sure that JB is the same Jared in her cell phone, but I am inclined to believe that it is.

[FDInLaw]

From my understanding DD and CD lived in a house on skyline - and from my past experiences those typically were good size. Probably even more secure than a sliding glass door with a blue stick.
ND, a collge student - I imagine not making very much money - if any at all. Her mom shared a cell phone plan with her. She drove a mustang, possibly paid off - but the insurance higher. She chooses to live alone in what appears to be a Sh*thole apartment. What do those apartments cost? I'm guessing at least $350 monthly or were they some sort of HUD house - costing maybe $150? I imagine CD helped her financially - but they probably would have saved considerable money if she had lived on Skyliine.
Is it reasonable to spend that much, just for independence?

On contrary, DD did have a key - not sure why - since she was not his responsibility. Perhaps, he was a co-signer of sorts. However, on contrary, if ND had bad relations with him - most likely he would not have had a spare key.

How do you know for a fact that DD had a key to Nona's apartment? Where ever you acquired this info it is mistaken. Duane never had a key. Kevin only had a key because he checked in on Nona's cats while her and Carol (and Duane) were down in Hot Springs for the Miss Arkansas Pageant. Frankly, from what I understand, Kevin was not suppose to keep the key. IMO Nona felt uncomfortable asking for it back. JMO

[nobody]

How do you know for a fact that DD had a key to Nona's apartment? Where ever you acquired this info it is mistaken. Duane never had a key. Kevin only had a key because he checked in on Nona's cats while her and Carol (and Duane) were down in Hot Springs for the Miss Arkansas Pageant. Frankly, from what I understand, Kevin was not suppose to keep the key. IMO Nona felt uncomfortable asking for it back. JMO

I didn't know for a fact. Thankyou for enlightening...

(Dipert) "It had a lot of evidence, but when it came down to it, it really wasn't that hard of a case. There were three people with keys, and one of those people's handprints was on that light bulb."

I am assuming she meant - 1. Nona 2. Carol 3. Kevin

Reference:http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/440646.html

Interesting insights...on why Kevin had the key. I guess he was home from school at that time, but decided to watch her cats instead of going to Nona's big event? Perhaps - not getting invited, but getting the shaft of watching cats, should have been the prosecutions primary motive - instead of jealousy.

[nobody]

I honestly can't remember if he moved before or after the arrest. I've wondered the same thing about that text message though. The other text messages mentioned have a name connected with them, I was curious why this one didn't. But like I said, I only met him a few times, I just remembered that he always drank and cried. I think he might have written a song too. I may have read too much into it just because of things that I read on this board.

I believe I have found him, still listed in google. Just type in his name and Arkansas - whallla!

Give him a call and see if he will email you the details - maybe you can catch him drinking and crying. You should tell him that you are Det. Frost, just to F'k with him. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. If he gives a confession - google map might even show you where he lives.

[Amy]

So every college-age kid who moves out of their parent's home is showing signs of doing things that "would not be acceptable"?

Man, there are some weird logic jumps going on lately.

Most kids move out of their parents' home to have the freedom to do whatever they want without having to check in with the folks. Whether it be coming in at all hours of the night, or maybe drinking (at 19, that IS underage) or maybe having friends of the opposite sex stay all night---all things that many kids at the age of 19 MIGHT be doing or wanting to do.

I don't know about staying out til all hours of the night, but it does seem (reading the posts from way back) that perhaps drinking and having sex with a boyfriend were possibly some of the things that occured in Nona's life. I don't know Carol, so don't know if she would approve of these things or not, but a kid can do these things more freely when they are not living in their parents' house. IMO

[FDInLaw]

I didn't know for a fact. Thankyou for enlightening...

(Dipert) "It had a lot of evidence, but when it came down to it, it really wasn't that hard of a case. There were three people with keys, and one of those people's handprints was on that light bulb."

I am assuming she meant - 1. Nona 2. Carol 3. Kevin

Reference:http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/440646.html

Interesting insights...on why Kevin had the key. I guess he was home from school at that time, but decided to watch her cats instead of going to Nona's big event? Perhaps - not getting invited, but getting the shaft of watching cats, should have been the prosecutions primary motive - instead of jealousy.That is correct, Nona, Carol & Kevin had keys, but not Duane. The pageant was in June (IIRC).

The day of the murder, Carol was at work all day and I assume she had her key with her.

[FDInLaw]

From my understanding DD and CD lived in a house on skyline - and from my past experiences those typically were good size. Probably even more secure than a sliding glass door with a blue stick.
ND, a college student - I imagine not making very much money - if any at all. Her mom shared a cell phone plan with her. She drove a mustang, possibly paid off - but the insurance higher. She chooses to live alone in what appears to be a Sh*thole apartment. What do those apartments cost? I'm guessing at least $350 monthly or were they some sort of HUD house - costing maybe $150? I imagine CD helped her financially - but they probably would have saved considerable money if she had lived on Skyliine.
Is it reasonable to spend that much, just for independence?

>SNIP<

Carol paid pretty much 100% of everything--apartment, car,
insurance, gas, food, etc. Nona made some books and
tuition payments from pageant scholarships. Nona's car was
paid off when Carol sold her house. I hope this helps answer your last question. Nona has also collected off her Father's retirement (over $1,000 a month). . . by living on her own I don't think she was hurting for cash JMO). Gosh, when I was in college I often worked two jobs. . . from my perspective she was well taken care of.

It was an option for Nona to live at Skyline. Duane did expressed concern about the last apartment Nona lived in, but it was her choice. Duane did stay out of the way concerning direct parenting. However, he was always available to help Nona. It was him, not Kevin, that helped her move both times. If Nona had a maintenance or Car issue, Duane was there to help her. He did his best to fulfill this role that young women look for in a dad.

When it came time to clean out Nona's apartment after she died, not ONE of her Dover "friends" helped. . . other than family there were some sweet folks from Carol's church there to do the gruesome job.

Personally, I'm a little fed up with Duane Dipert getting attacked in the way you are, Nobody. You posted that he had a key as FACT but he did not. What's up? Oh, and why wouldn't Duane be angry with Kevin? I know for a FACT that BOTH Duane and Carol did not suspect Kevin in the beginning. When this happened, I discussed every detail I knew with several people close to me. . . each of them said the same thing "are they sure it is not the boyfriend?" I discussed this was Duane and he was emphatic that it was not Kevin. Even stated that the poor kid was in the same boat they were, totally grief stricken.

Carol insisted that Nona have a viewing. . . it was important to her that everyone have the opportunity of closure. Duane and another family member discussed this at the funeral home and were told that Nona was really beaten up and that they were not sure if that was a good idea. . . they actually showed Duane and the other person Nona's face without makeup. . . Duane was instantly enraged (as any man should be) by the sight. . . Nona had been beaten so bad. At the funeral, I saw with my own eyes the huge bruise on the left side of her face. I really don't understand how anyone would think it strange that Duane was/is angry with Kevin for doing this. What self-respecting 50 something year old man (one that has two daughters of his own) would not be angered but the brutal death of their step-daughter??? Come on! Invest in a brain and grow a heart!

The night before the funeral Mark Frost came over and informed the family that Kevin was the main suspect. Some of the things they were told are STILL not public knowledge. Hopefully in round two these details will be made known. Let me pose a "hypothetical" situation . . . how would you deal with going to the funeral of a loved one in the full knowledge that the murderer is there? Not just there sitting in the background, but one that everyone is hugging and saying how sorry they are, etc. One that is told not to sit with the family but takes it upon themselves to do so anyhow at the grave side? Instead of having the opportunity for closure you are forced to watch the perpetrator's theatrical show while you sit and maintain composure because you were told that it was in the best interest of the case. Have you been there, Nobody? Do you know what it is like to lose someone in this manner and to have to watch the person responsible go on with their life like it never happened?

A total lack of compassion for Nona's family is what brought me here in the first place. . . guess I better stick around.

[FDInLaw]

i picked kevin jones up off my kitchen floor that night because that boy was too empty to move. i saw him fall to his knees, tears in his eyes, hands to God, wailing about his lost angel, nona, and how much he wanted her back. i watched him cry, i stayed up with him EVERY goddamned night of that week, holding him and listening to him, trying to comfort him in any way possible. i love him. and he loved Nona.

Yet he was not too prostrate with grief to be online almost immediately after the murder, seemingly happy at Nona's funeral and partying like an animal during what many would consider to be a mourning period. (Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt for one minute that CH was offering KJ all sorts of solace.)
Out of respect for Nona and her affection for Chelsea, I have always tried to error on the side of kindness and have even defended Chelsea on occasion. . . I've got to say that there are details about this situation that made me literally sick to my stomach when I heard them. . . alas, I'm not going to say more.

For Nona and the friends that did not deserve her. . . :rose: You are in my thoughts and prayers every day.

[CSOKC]

That's so terrible. I can't imagine what it must have been like for the Diperts at Nona's funeral. It would have been hard anyway, but to have to deal with all of the information about KJ too must have been very difficult. It makes me wonder why they didn't wait until after the funeral to tell them about KJ. Maybe they thought it would bring her mom some comfort?

[FDInLaw]

That's so terrible. I can't imagine what it must have been like for the Diperts at Nona's funeral. It would have been hard anyway, but to have to deal with all of the information about KJ too must have been very difficult. It makes me wonder why they didn't wait until after the funeral to tell them about KJ. Maybe they thought it would bring her mom some comfort?
Wisely, Duane and Carol decided not to tell everyone. . . most of Nona's family did not know at the funeral. . . even Nona's brother John. They selflessly carried the burden alone for the most part (there were a few members present when Mark informed them) so that the others would not be robbed of the time of closure. The whole family discussed everything in length together after the funeral. Whenever accusation start flying about Duane's "quick temper" it just cracks me up. . . how many men do you know that would have been able to deal so well with this situation? He has my utmost respect ( I was sitting near him during this whole affair).

[lorettalockhorn]

Wisely, Duane and Carol decided not to tell everyone. . . most of Nona's family did not know at the funeral. . . even Nona's brother John. They selflessly carried the burden alone for the most part (there were a few members present when Mark informed them) so that the others would not be robbed of the time of closure. The whole family discussed everything in length together after the funeral. Whenever accusation start flying about Duane's "quick temper" it just cracks me up. . . how many men do you know that would have been able to deal so well with this situation? He has my utmost respect ( I was sitting near him during this whole affair).

IMO the Diperts' handling of the situation is above reproach and that they were sensitive to the need to grieve to Nona's extended family and friends is admirable. Also, I think that it was proper for Frost to notify them of the fact that KJ was suspect #1 for two reasons; it was their right to know, and also so that they could observe his behavior.

With regard to the financial aspects of Nona living on her own, it is obvious that she would have had survivor benefits from the death of her father as well as scholorship funds, where's the question, what's the problem?

Much of the disrespect on this board (and possibly elsewhere) comes from the pathological actions of one person in particular. Once again, I have to say, if I have any pity for the Joneses, it is for the quality and behavior of some of their supporters.

[hawgustusgloop]

>snip<
Personally, I'm a little fed up with Duane Dipert getting attacked in the way you are, Nobody. You posted that he had a key as FACT but he did not. What's up?


Thank you for clearing up all of that wild speculation, FDInLaw.

IMO Nobody spent a heckuva lotta time making a 4-page "facts" thread, but doesn't seem to be aware of many facts of the case. Nobody has had everyone practically convicted at one point or another: Trey York, Kevin, Chelsea, Duane Dipert, the biology professor, even Holly Gale (of all people), yet gets ultra touchy and seemingly offended when someone suggests Jared Berry as a possibility. I think Nobody should be especially tolerant of any left-field suggestions, even though JB may not even be that ridiculous since the jury took all the information they had and chose to ask about him.

I would like to hear that song JB possibly wrote though.

[CSOKC]

Thank you for clearing up all of that wild speculation, FDInLaw.

IMO Nobody spent a heckuva lotta time making a 4-page "facts" thread, but doesn't seem to be aware of many facts of the case. Nobody has had everyone practically convicted at one point or another: Trey York, Kevin, Chelsea, Duane Dipert, the biology professor, even Holly Gale (of all people), yet gets ultra touchy and seemingly offended when someone suggests Jared Berry as a possibility. I think Nobody should be especially tolerant of any left-field suggestions, even though JB may not even be that ridiculous since the jury took all the information they had and chose to ask about him.

I would like to hear that song JB possibly wrote though.

I'd like to hear the song also. I'll have to ask my sister if he ever played it for her, or if he just told her about it. And this is off topic, but where does your signature quote come from?

[hawgustusgloop]

I'd like to hear the song also. I'll have to ask my sister if he ever played it for her, or if he just told her about it. And this is off topic, but where does your signature quote come from?

I don't think your question is off topic at all. That quote came from a Courier article summarizing the interrogation tapes:

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15351&Search=kevin%20jones

An excerpt:

"Jones said he entered the room and “saw her laying there with blood all underneath her head,” later saying “I don’t know why somebody would break in and hit her on the back of the head.” "

I always thought it interesting that he said someone broke in and hit her on the back of the head, when as FDInLaw said, she had a big bruise on her face and cuts on her as well.

[CSOKC]

I don't think your question is off topic at all. That quote came from a Courier article summarizing the interrogation tapes:

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=15351&Search=kevin%20jones

An excerpt:

"Jones said he entered the room and “saw her laying there with blood all underneath her head,” later saying “I don’t know why somebody would break in and hit her on the back of the head.” "

I always thought it interesting that he said someone broke in and hit her on the back of the head, when as FDInLaw said, she had a big bruise on her face and cuts on her as well.
Thank you, I guess I accidentally skipped that article whenever I was catching up. It is interesting that he mentioned her being hit on the back of the head whenever it seems that the other things would have been more obvious.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you for clearing up all of that wild speculation, FDInLaw.

IMO Nobody spent a heckuva lotta time making a 4-page "facts" thread, but doesn't seem to be aware of many facts of the case. Nobody has had everyone practically convicted at one point or another: Trey York, Kevin, Chelsea, Duane Dipert, the biology professor, even Holly Gale (of all people), yet gets ultra touchy and seemingly offended when someone suggests Jared Berry as a possibility. I think Nobody should be especially tolerant of any left-field suggestions, even though JB may not even be that ridiculous since the jury took all the information they had and chose to ask about him.

I would like to hear that song JB possibly wrote though.

When I consider just where nobody gleaned some of the facts, I'm not surprised that (s)he is bumfuzzled. Heck, I've read legitimate sources and get confused from time to time.

The problem that I have with the jury wanting to investigate Jared? is that 1) I don't know what information they had about him and assumed that it was merely the cellphone billing (statement). What information was the jury looking at? If Jared? was indeed the author of the "why are you leading me on?" text or anything else more intriguing, I'd love to know, and 2) Jared? wasn't on trial. For the jury to have taken the time to even consider him, means that they were taking time away from the important evidence, such as KJ's bloody print on the murder weapon.

[CSOKC]

When I consider just where nobody gleaned some of the facts, I'm not surprised that (s)he is bumfuzzled. Heck, I've read legitimate sources and get confused from time to time.

The problem that I have with the jury wanting to investigate Jared? is that 1) I don't know what information they had about him and assumed that it was merely the cellphone billing (statement). What information was the jury looking at? If Jared? was indeed the author of the "why are you leading me on?" text or anything else more intriguing, I'd love to know, and 2) Jared? wasn't on trial. For the jury to have taken the time to even consider him, means that they were taking time away from the important evidence, such as KJ's bloody print on the murder weapon.
I agree with your #2. I think that is probably part of what gave them reasonable doubt, they were too focused on Jared whenever they should have only been focusing on KJ.

[oxfordwebster]

they were taking time away from the important evidence, such as KJ's bloody print on the murder weapon.Now now, you know as well as I do that the defense experts tore apart everything about that print and he never left it at all and...

Oh wait, I forgot that the defense experts bolstered the evidence that he left it at the time of the murder. My memory gets fuzzy sometimes.

[hawgustusgloop]

When I consider just where nobody gleaned some of the facts, I'm not surprised that (s)he is bumfuzzled. Heck, I've read legitimate sources and get confused from time to time.

The problem that I have with the jury wanting to investigate Jared? is that 1) I don't know what information they had about him and assumed that it was merely the cellphone billing (statement). What information was the jury looking at? If Jared? was indeed the author of the "why are you leading me on?" text or anything else more intriguing, I'd love to know, and 2) Jared? wasn't on trial. For the jury to have taken the time to even consider him, means that they were taking time away from the important evidence, such as KJ's bloody print on the murder weapon.

You make a very good point about the sources of some of those "facts." It would be easy to get confused when relying on the IMO unreliable.

I would personally LOVE to know the actual reason for the jury asking about Jared. As JR2007 said, I guess maybe they thought they were supposed to solve the big murder mystery instead of just weighing the evidence against the defendant. I am very curious as to what the breakdown of time was that the jury spent considering each issue/piece of evidence. How much time did they spend discussing Jared before they actually delved into whether K.Jo was guilty or not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

[FDInLaw]

When I consider just where nobody gleaned some of the facts, I'm not surprised that (s)he is bumfuzzled. Heck, I've read legitimate sources and get confused from time to time.

The problem that I have with the jury wanting to investigate Jared? is that 1) I don't know what information they had about him and assumed that it was merely the cellphone billing (statement). What information was the jury looking at? If Jared? was indeed the author of the "why are you leading me on?" text or anything else more intriguing, I'd love to know, and 2) Jared? wasn't on trial. For the jury to have taken the time to even consider him, means that they were taking time away from the important evidence, such as KJ's bloody print on the murder weapon.
"bumfuzzled" LMBO! This is so true. :seeya:

[ifIwereU]

Now now, you know as well as I do that the defense experts tore apart everything about that print and he never left it at all and...

Oh wait, I forgot that the defense experts bolstered the evidence that he left it at the time of the murder. My memory gets fuzzy sometimes.
maybe when the jury "fore-person" asked for the other jurors votes of guilty and not-guitly....maybe everyone thought they were voting for JB....

I can not understand how they could have over looked so many obvious things.....I would love to have a sit down with the jury on this case!
anyone want to take bets on how long it takes KJ to get in trouble again?

[oxfordwebster]

anyone want to take bets on how long it takes KJ to get in trouble again?I heard a rumor a while back that after the trial, KJ and RW were planning on moving in together somewhere. I could only hope "somewhere" is far away from here, but... who knows if that was even true.

[lorettalockhorn]

anyone want to take bets on how long it takes KJ to get in trouble again?

Amen on that jury thing; wonder what they may have told the network people when they were in the area. I haven't seen that they have spoken to any of the local press, outside of the foreChristian and the other juror who talked to The Courier soon after the verdict.

I suppose that it would be in bad taste to run a pool about when KJ and RW et al will be in trouble again. Tentatively pencil me in for the holidays when UofA, UCA, and ATU have semester break, will ya?

I heard a rumor a while back that after the trial, KJ and RW were planning on moving in together somewhere. I could only hope "somewhere" is far away from here, but... who knows if that was even true.

ATU lists RW as a current student as far as I can tell from the online site. Is KJ still in the area? Simmons? The guy known as Jim?

[ifIwereU]

I heard a rumor a while back that after the trial, KJ and RW were planning on moving in together somewhere. I could only hope "somewhere" is far away from here, but... who knows if that was even true.

I heard KJ was back at school in fayetteville, don't hear much about RW these days....he must be waiting to cash in on his lawsuit against the courier....anyone know the status of the suit?

[hawgustusgloop]

Amen on that jury thing; wonder what they may have told the network people when they were in the area. I haven't seen that they have spoken to any of the local press, outside of the foreChristian and the other juror who talked to The Courier soon after the verdict.

I suppose that it would be in bad taste to run a pool about when KJ and RW et al will be in trouble again. Tentatively pencil me in for the holidays when UofA, UCA, and ATU have semester break, will ya?



ATU lists RW as a current student as far as I can tell from the online site. Is KJ still in the area? Simmons? The guy known as Jim?

I remember 3 hideous juror interviews....the fore-Christian (Kim Willhite), Kevin Cobb, and Carol? Chambers.

I personally think K.Jo is probably already breaking some laws. It is anyone's guess when and if he will actually be caught doing something illegal, though. I can't see those guys (K.Jo, Simmons, RW, "Jim", etc.) getting together to simply watch Monday Night Football or play Hungry Hungry Hippos.

[FDInLaw]

I heard KJ was back at school in fayetteville, don't hear much about RW these days....he must be waiting to cash in on his lawsuit against the courier....anyone know the status of the suit?

:cool: Gee, thanks for the warning. "Nice" to know KJ is back in my neck of the woods. :mad:

Lock your daughters up folks!

[lorettalockhorn]

I remember 3 hideous juror interviews....the fore-Christian (Kim Willhite), Kevin Cobb, and Carol? Chambers.

I personally think K.Jo is probably already breaking some laws. It is anyone's guess when and if he will actually be caught doing something illegal, though. I can't see those guys (K.Jo, Simmons, RW, "Jim", etc.) getting together to simply watch Monday Night Football or play Hungry Hungry Hippos.

Duh me! :punch: How could I have forgotten Cobb? The killer “did a terrible deed, and I pray to God they bring to justice the man that done it,” the juror said.

[FDInLaw]

Duh me! :punch: How could I have forgotten Cobb: The killer “did a terrible deed, and I pray to God they bring to justice the man that done it,” the juror said.



Now that there would make one h3ll of a great sig! LMBO! :lol:

[lorettalockhorn]

:cool: Gee, thanks for the warning. "Nice" to know KJ is back in my neck of the woods. :mad:

Lock your daughters up folks!

Found Jeff Simmons in the UofA directory, but not KJ.

So, yeah. Lock up your daughters NWA folks!

[Manning]

maybe when the jury "fore-person" asked for the other jurors votes of guilty and not-guitly....maybe everyone thought they were voting for JB....

I can not understand how they could have over looked so many obvious things.....I would love to have a sit down with the jury on this case!
anyone want to take bets on how long it takes KJ to get in trouble again?

I can't understand either. (I couldn't understand the OJ's jury either).
I feel certain he will be in trouble again. (sounds kinda like OJ again, doesn't it?)

[Manning]

FD - The new picture you are using of Nona is beautiful.

:rose::rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: For Nona's family.

[CSOKC]

Found Jeff Simmons in the UofA directory, but not KJ.

So, yeah. Lock up your daughters NWA folks!
My sister told me that JB is back in Fayetteville now too. But apparently he's harmless...

[CSOKC]

This could have been asked and answered earlier, but is there a transcript anywhere of the taped interview with KJ?

[FDInLaw]

This could have been asked and answered earlier, but is there a transcript anywhere of the taped interview with KJ?

Great question! I don't know. :shrug: Is it possible that we will have to wait until the case is closed?

[optimumprimal78]

The only thing that I have seen has been given out (that I have seen) is just snippets done on the news and in the paper. I would imagine that a FOI request could be done on it now that the case is "over". It is one of the things I would like to know as well. I also want to know about KJ's other relationships (everyone got to know about Nona's so why shouldn't we hear about his). There were so many things left alone during the trial it just bugs me. I think 2 weeks are way too short for a murder trial where there was over a year of gathering information. JMO

[hawgustusgloop]

Great question! I don't know. :shrug: Is it possible that we will have to wait until the case is closed?

I am pretty sure you can't find anything freely accessible online, but would a transcript be made by the court reporter during the trial (of the portions played in court)? If it is part of the court record, anyone could get a copy, but it might cost a small fortune.

[hawgustusgloop]

The only thing that I have seen has been given out (that I have seen) is just snippets done on the news and in the paper. I would imagine that a FOI request could be done on it now that the case is "over". It is one of the things I would like to know as well. I also want to know about KJ's other relationships (everyone got to know about Nona's so why shouldn't we hear about his). There were so many things left alone during the trial it just bugs me. I think 2 weeks are way too short for a murder trial where there was over a year of gathering information. JMO

I agree. I feel like they aired Nona's supposed dirty laundry, but somehow were able to leave K.Jo's stinking pile of filth sitting in the corner. Hopefully that won't happen again if there is a civil trial.

I think it still should have taken the jurors much longer to go over all the evidence, especially those jurors, IMO.

[CSOKC]

The only thing that I have seen has been given out (that I have seen) is just snippets done on the news and in the paper. I would imagine that a FOI request could be done on it now that the case is "over". It is one of the things I would like to know as well. I also want to know about KJ's other relationships (everyone got to know about Nona's so why shouldn't we hear about his). There were so many things left alone during the trial it just bugs me. I think 2 weeks are way too short for a murder trial where there was over a year of gathering information. JMO

Do you mean his other relationships while he was with Nona? I've wondered this too. Why is it okay for everyone to know about hers and not his?

[optimumprimal78]

Do you mean his other relationships while he was with Nona? I've wondered this too. Why is it okay for everyone to know about hers and not his?

Not just with Nona but also after her death. I think it would interesting to see how exactly some of the people who switched sides (so to speak) actually came to that conclusion.

[CSOKC]

Not just with Nona but also after her death. I think it would interesting to see how exactly some of the people who switched sides (so to speak) actually came to that conclusion.
I went to school with a girl that met him after the murder, and she still dated him. I'm not sure if they're still dating or not. I thought she was crazy!

[Amy]

My sister told me that JB is back in Fayetteville now too. But apparently he's harmless...

I'm not sure who deems him harmless. I'd sure forbid my daughter to have any kind of relationship with him. Of course, some girls think it's cool, or whatever word they are using these days, to go out with someone with a dark side. And, of course, there are those who will say he didn't do it. I'm not at all sure I agree with the jurors' decision, tho.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not sure who deems him harmless. I'd sure forbid my daughter to have any kind of relationship with him. Of course, some girls think it's cool, or whatever word they are using these days, to go out with someone with a dark side. And, of course, there are those who will say he didn't do it. I'm not at all sure I agree with the jurors' decision, tho.

Amy, are you speaking of Jared Berry or Kevin?

Question for CSOKC; do you happen to know if Jared finished his degree somewhere besides Tech? He was listed as a member of the class of '05, but I didn't find him on a graduation program or registered as an alum.

Of the alleged rapist crowd, I've found RW at Tech and Simmons at Uof A and I understand that CH is at UCA. I suppose it's possible that KJ simply isn't listed in the UofA directory. I also found "Jim" currently listed as a student at UofA, but bless his heart, he doesn't seem to have the bad rep as Kevin's other friends/party crew. (Unless once again my memory has failed.)

[CSOKC]

Amy, are you speaking of Jared Berry or Kevin?

Question for CSOKC; do you happen to know if Jared finished his degree somewhere besides Tech? He was listed as a member of the class of '05, but I didn't find him on a graduation program or registered as an alum.



I didn't keep in touch with him after he moved. I believe he moved to wherever his dad lived the first time, but I don't know why he moved to Fayetteville. Maybe he's finishing school there?

[Amy]

Amy, are you speaking of Jared Berry or Kevin?

Question for CSOKC; do you happen to know if Jared finished his degree somewhere besides Tech? He was listed as a member of the class of '05, but I didn't find him on a graduation program or registered as an alum.

Of the alleged rapist crowd, I've found RW at Tech and Simmons at Uof A and I understand that CH is at UCA. I suppose it's possible that KJ simply isn't listed in the UofA directory. I also found "Jim" currently listed as a student at UofA, but bless his heart, he doesn't seem to have the bad rep as Kevin's other friends/party crew. (Unless once again my memory has failed.)

I guess I wasn't watching the initials in the post carefully enough. I was meaning KJ, about some girls liking a guy with a dark side. I also meant him about who says he's harmless, but the poster there was talking about JB.

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess I wasn't watching the initials in the post carefully enough. I was meaning KJ, about some girls liking a guy with a dark side. I also meant him about who says he's harmless, but the poster there was talking about JB.

No problem! Just wanted to make sure that I understood. And I agree about the dark side comment.

I suppose that if KJ is at UofA and isn't listed in the directory, it's just as possible that Jared isn't either.

I've noticed that some of the friends that RW (for instance) has on his facebook are high school girls and also older girls from well-educated and well to do families. I wonder if the parents of the younger ones even know that they communicate with his ilk. And in the case(s) of the older ones, I would expect that they would use better judgement in their alignments. Just shows what I know! I was quite the quidnunc when it came to My Little Love's friends.

[FDInLaw]

No problem! Just wanted to make sure that I understood. And I agree about the dark side comment.

I suppose that if KJ is at UofA and isn't listed in the directory, it's just as possible that Jared isn't either.

I've noticed that some of the friends that RW (for instance) has on his facebook are high school girls and also older girls from well-educated and well to do families. I wonder if the parents of the younger ones even know that they communicate with his ilk. And in the case(s) of the older ones, I would expect that they would use better judgement in their alignments. Just shows what I know! I was quite the quidnunc when it came to My Little Love's friends.
Not making it a secret that you're spying on the facebook kids huh? LOL!

I was just on the "Justice for Nona" group thing and some chick there actually states that there is more evidence that DD killed Nona than KJ. I haven't laughed so hard in a loooooong time! Either this poor girl was born a complete idiot or Kevie has been hookin' her up with some hard cord drugs! LMBO! :rolleyes:

[CSOKC]

Not making it a secret that you're spying on the facebook kids huh? LOL!

I was just on the "Justice for Nona" group thing and some chick there actually states that there is more evidence that DD killed Nona than KJ. I haven't laughed so hard in a loooooong time! Either this poor girl was born a complete idiot or Kevie has been hookin' her up with some hard cord drugs! LMBO! :rolleyes:
That's such a coincidence. I was just on that group looking to see if any of the people that are frequently mentioned on this site are members...and they aren't.

[lorettalockhorn]

Not making it a secret that you're spying on the facebook kids huh? LOL!

I was just on the "Justice for Nona" group thing and some chick there actually states that there is more evidence that DD killed Nona than KJ. I haven't laughed so hard in a loooooong time! Either this poor girl was born a complete idiot or Kevie has been hookin' her up with some hard cord drugs! LMBO! :rolleyes:

They don't call me yenta for nothing! Oy

Why yes, there are some interesting comments in that forum.

[Leroy L]

Can someone post a link to the "Justice for Nona" group?

Now, my two cents about all of KJs dirty laundry not being aired...IMO it was because it was irrelevant. I've heard of nothing that happened in KJ's past (before Nona's passing) that could be linked to her murder. If there were episodes in which he took drugs of any kind, and then got violent, then yes bring that out. If he had physically abused Nona before, then by all means, enter that as evidence he killed her. But, those things didn't occur.

I don't think some of the things he did (besides murder IMO) were good, moral things. But, I only care about one bad thing I think he did. Supposedly the argument could be made that if he was unfaithful, his jealous lover might have killed Nona. My assumption is that the prosecution didn't feel a female committed the murder, hence no need to publically dwelve into KJ's other romances.

Very sadly, Nona's private life was subject to public examination. It was terrible that she was victimized again, even in death. However, I can see that it was a justifiable part of the case. The defense had a legitimate basis for bringing other paramours of Nona's up in court. Playing Monday morning quarterback, it is so sad the prosecution didn't adequately anticipate this line of attack, and shoot it down.

[FDInLaw]

Can someone post a link to the "Justice for Nona" group?

Now, my two cents about all of KJs dirty laundry not being aired...IMO it was because it was irrelevant. I've heard of nothing that happened in KJ's past (before Nona's passing) that could be linked to her murder. If there were episodes in which he took drugs of any kind, and then got violent, then yes bring that out. If he had physically abused Nona before, then by all means, enter that as evidence he killed her. But, those things didn't occur.

I don't think some of the things he did (besides murder IMO) were good, moral things. But, I only care about one bad thing I think he did. Supposedly the argument could be made that if he was unfaithful, his jealous lover might have killed Nona. My assumption is that the prosecution didn't feel a female committed the murder, hence no need to publically dwelve into KJ's other romances.

Very sadly, Nona's private life was subject to public examination. It was terrible that she was victimized again, even in death. However, I can see that it was a justifiable part of the case. The defense had a legitimate basis for bringing other paramours of Nona's up in court. Playing Monday morning quarterback, it is so sad the prosecution didn't adequately anticipate this line of attack, and shoot it down.
Go to facebook.com and become a member, then simply do a search for "Nona Dirksmeyer." I could post a link but you would not be able to see it without logging in. :seeya:

[Fancily Lurking]

Go to facebook.com and become a member, then simply do a search for "Nona Dirksmeyer." I could post a link but you would not be able to see it without logging in. :seeya:

Thank you. I want to view that as well. :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Thank you. I want to view that as well. :seeya:
Welcome to the board!:seeya:

[Fancily Lurking]

Welcome to the board!:seeya:

Thanks. Interesting case. Looks like this site has been here a while.

[Fancily Lurking]

Does anybody know how to get this avatar thingy to work?

[hawgustusgloop]

>snip<
If there were episodes in which he took drugs of any kind, and then got violent, then yes bring that out. If he had physically abused Nona before, then by all means, enter that as evidence he killed her. But, those things didn't occur.




I generally agree with your whole post I snipped from, although I am not 100% convinced about the part I bolded above. I don't know if we'll ever know the whole story behind that relationship, and I think history has shown that Nona was sadly very good at concealing any abuse she may have been suffering.

[Fancily Lurking]

Does anybody know how to get this avatar thingy to work?

Never mind. Think I got it figured out now...