Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[2lakes]

Originally posted by herlock h.
Just for the record - the birthdate thing has been screwed up on this board since I signed up. It says the same thing about me - birthdate 1979 - it's waayyy wrong! Every time I try to change it it goes back to 1979!

Herlock

Are you younger herlock ;)

[FDInLaw]

Unfortunately, it wasn’t just a mere birth date that caused people to question LewisM.

[Amy]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
Unfortunately, it wasn’t just a mere birth date that caused people to question LewisM.

If he is truely and investigator, how downright unproffesional and unethical for him to post on any board about information that IS NOT supposed to be for public consumption at this time. An ETHICAL person would keep his lip zipped and let the evidence stand for itself (or not, as he would believe) IN COURT!!!! An ETHICAL person would not even discuss this case with his wife, bf, gf, whatever significant other he may have.

IMO.

(Like Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense--it probably isn't true----as in the "information" the "investigator" leaked on this board.) IMO

[2lakes]

Originally posted by mgrace
And perhaps it is a bit unethical for an investigator, if that he may be, to post information here; however, you all got to admit, it's either, completely crazy, completely gutsy, or both.

My question is this - Let's say LewisM really is an investigator on this case. Can what he has written on this message board be brought out in trial by the defense for a mis-trial? I would think that they could easily find out who LewisM really is if Court Tv were presented with police documents (or just put Steve Huff on it!).

So is it okay for an investigator to post the facts of a case on a public message board or could this hurt the case? I actually agree with one of the other posters that Lewis is most likely not one of the investigators working the case but someone with a vested interest in the case. IMO.

[FDInLaw]

Mgrace, No need for censorship. I’m glad you are on this board with the guts to state your opinion. Personally, I can not take LewisM seriously - not because he dares to rock the boat but because he chooses to do so by claiming his assertions are FACTS. It’s not just what he says, but how he says it. There are things he says that are all out lies (If you want I’ll argue my point here) - and because HE CLAIMS special first hand knowledge EVERYTHING should bare some truth. There are other folks on here from Russellville and the surrounding area - I being one of them. Many of LewisM’s statements are easily refuted, so it is impossible take him seriously. My suggestion would be for him to present his “facts” as speculation, then the rest of us would not be so put off.

I agree that we should not trust everything the officials say, but I am not willing to do so without good reason. It must be frustrating to believe Kevin is innocent. Who do you think killed Nona if it wasn’t him? I’ll admit that when people suggest that Kevin is being framed I’m a little confused. He fits the description of someone who “walks” and not someone who would easily be framed. He’s a smart white kid with a successful family that has been in the area for generations. Why would the officials be going after him and not the “real” killer? You probably do not have answers to these, but I’m curious to know what you think.

[ValleyGirl]

Can you address the variance of the polygraph results. Credible sources say that he failed them - what say you?

Also, I don't think it has ever been printed or reported as to what the injuries on her neck were caused by... Do you know?

Are you working on the case or just close to the investigation?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Can you address the variance of the polygraph results. Credible sources say that he failed them - what say you?

Also, I don't think it has ever been printed or reported as to what the injuries on her neck were caused by... Do you know?

Are you working on the case or just close to the investigation?

. . . or are you just close to Kevin?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Coldwater



I'm going to assume you are new to the boards. Any statement of fact that you post must be accompanied with a link for proof OR you must state it as YOUR OPINION only. It is your responsibility should any problems arise from false statements, not CTV's and that is why we delete them to protect you.

Coldwater - Can I just say "thank you!"

[ValleyGirl]

Was there a complaint regarding Lewis? Hopefully!

[ValleyGirl]

It is strange that the posts were deleted. Several people have stated things that didn't start with "in my opinion". Not that I agree with Lewis, but it was interesting to say the least. It would have been intriguing to see what else he / she had to say. It really makes me wonder where that info came from. He / she def. stirred the pot!

I still don't understand the post by the admin because there are several people on here that speculate on things but state them in a way that them seem factual. I understand he was "out there" but I'm just curious as to what pushed the envelope. Could CTV actually be liable for those posts?

Very strange but again this case is strange!

There is one poster that has excellent sources and was always right on. DTBH - what do you think about it other than he was totally full of BS?

I did hear from a source that Kevin was having difficulty getting out because he is catching alot of flack from the public when he is out. I suppose that happens when you are accused of murder.

[oxfordwebster]

I would imagine that lewisM bringing up someone's name without evidence is pretty much close to slander/libel, and that's one reason why his posts were deleted.

[janetlynn]

I can not wait to find out what this card has to do with the whole thing. If kevin touched it and got mad .....and then touched it again later wouldn't that mean it has two set's of finger prints? Ones without blood and then ones with blood?:confused:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Coldwater



I'm going to assume you are new to the boards. Any statement of fact that you post must be accompanied with a link for proof OR you must state it as YOUR OPINION only. It is your responsibility should any problems arise from false statements, not CTV's and that is why we delete them to protect you.


If LewisM had stuck to these principles all of his statements would still be on here. It doesn't matter what you say, it is how you say it. Hopefully, he has learned his lesson and will rephrase his opinions so that they appear as just that, HIS OPINIONS. In my mind, the way he wrote and made careless claims makes me think he is just one of Kevin's 19 year old friends. Call me crazy, but wouldn’t someone born in 1959 know that there are more subtle and convincing ways to leak information?

[2lakes]

Good point Janetlynn! I hadn't thought about the fact that there would actually be 2 sets of fingerprints if he had indeed touched the card earlier also.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by FDInLaw



If LewisM had stuck to these principles all of his statements would still be on here. It doesn't matter what you say, it is how you say it. Hopefully, he has learned his lesson and will rephrase his opinions so that they appear as just that, HIS OPINIONS. In my mind, the way he wrote and made careless claims makes me think he is just one of Kevin's 19 year old friends. Call me crazy, but wouldn’t someone born in 1959 know that there are more subtle and convincing ways to leak information?

And if he were truly an investigator, why would he care to waste his time trying to convince a public message board about the facts. I missed everything that happened yesterday so I am unaware of everything that was posted.

[2lakes]

Here is another article from the Courier I don't recall seeing before. The family is upset about the prolonging of the trial. Does anyone know the trial date? I may have missed it from the article.

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.asp?ID=10854

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by 2lakes
Here is another article from the Courier I don't recall seeing before. The family is upset about the prolonging of the trial. Does anyone know the trial date? I may have missed it from the article.

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.asp?ID=10854

I have heard that it is January 16, 2007 - I'll try and find a link.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
There is one poster that has excellent sources and was always right on. DTBH - what do you think about it other than he was totally full of BS?



Interesting. I figured it was you, ValleyGirl with all the "inside" scoops! Lewis had me wondering if he had some inside information for awhile, because there was one or two grains of truth in what he said (for example, he mentioned a name--although the timeframe for the name were way off). However, some of his primary statements I know for a fact are absolutely false, so I concluded that he is probably closely connected with the accused and is fishing for information.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by dtbh



Interesting. I figured it was you, ValleyGirl with all the "inside" scoops! Lewis had me wondering if he had some inside information for awhile, because there was one or two grains of truth in what he said (for example, he mentioned a name--although the timeframe for the name were way off). However, some of his primary statements I know for a fact are absolutely false, so I concluded that he is probably closely connected with the accused and is fishing for information.

Where do you get your facts? You often state things as facts, and though LewisM is more infamous for it, I wouldn't be surprised if some of your messages disappear too.

[ValleyGirl]

DTBH is always right though... That's the difference.

I really am shocked that they removed those posts though. We all know that these boards are based on opinion and speculation and everyone knows that you take what you read with a grain of salt. It isn't like this board is under oath. We all know that these boards are for speculation / information only.

There had to have been complaints about Lewis. - In my humble opinion! If not, all of our posts may disappear because we have made statements and haven't backed them up.

DTBH says it and it happens. He / she is def. "in the know"! I'm glad that we have D's posts because they keep us grounded and on the right track! Thanks D!

[FDInLaw]

Valley Girl, I won’t argue with you about the quality of DTBH’s info, he does seen to be right on as far as we know. BUT, as one who called LewisM out for the way he expressed himself, I feel compelled to at least state that DTBH could be a more careful as well.

[ValleyGirl]

But hopefully we can all keep our statements and opinions stated "properly" (<-- whatever that is) so that we can keep discussing this case. I'd hate to know I had to rely on the newpaper and tv only for info. Call me nosey but I like to have a good resource to get info, share info and toss ideas back and forth without someone getting their knickers in a twist! I think this board is a good place for that!

Thanks all & have a Happy Easter!
Romans 8:28 - not my opinion but a fact!

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by dtbh
However, some of his primary statements I know for a fact are absolutely false, so I concluded that he is probably closely connected with the accused and is fishing for information. That's horrible.. what would the purpose of this be?

[TexasGirl06]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
Valley Girl, I won’t argue with you about the quality of DTBH’s info, he does seen to be right on as far as we know. BUT, as one who called LewisM out for the way he expressed himself, I feel compelled to at least state that DTBH could be a more careful as well.

I completely agree. It's wrong to delete some and not others. If you are going to apply censorship to "some" that claim to be posting "facts" you must apply the same censorship across the board.

I like DTBH's posts, however; just because LewisM has a different set of "facts" doesn't negate them.

I don't want to be fed only one side of a story, I want all the information and then make a decision for myself. Of course, I believe Kevin killed Nona, but I also believe there are some things that just don't add up.

Who is Jeremy? What is his role?
Were Nona's IM's truly logged and saved?
What happened to the wood stick for the sliding glass door?

[TexasGirl06]

Originally posted by dtbh



However, some of his primary statements I know for a fact are absolutely false, so I concluded that he is probably closely connected with the accused and is fishing for information.

How do you know for a "fact"? You're claiming facts just like LewisM was and not backing them up with a link?

What gives?

I appreciate your posts, but the double mindedness of this censorship is wrong and makes it all smell fishy.

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by TexasGirl06
Who is Jeremy? What is his role?
Were Nona's IM's truly logged and saved?
What happened to the wood stick for the sliding glass door?
I imagine that Jeremy is someone that has nothing to do with the murder, but that the defense will be trying to throw mud at in an attempt to get Kevin off.

Remember that there were about 6-7 people questioned about this, and all of them were cleared except for Kevin.

I mean, this is how about every defense in a murder case works. It won't be any different this time around.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by TexasGirl06


How do you know for a "fact"? You're claiming facts just like LewisM was and not backing them up with a link?

What gives?

I appreciate your posts, but the double mindedness of this censorship is wrong and makes it all smell fishy.

Ok, it is "my opinion" based on what I've heard and read. I think Lewis' posts were censored because he started naming names not directly involved in the case (my opinion). I guess if something said about a named person is not true, there could be charges of defamation.

I'm not sure there will be much relevant to say about this case unless some new evidence surfaces (and we find out about it).

[FDInLaw]

Texas Girl, The missing stick from the sliding glass door also bugs me. The location, condition and prints on the lamp seem to implicate it as the murder weapon. However, where is the stick? Maybe the murderer left out the back door (who would want to go out the front) and just took it with him since he knew his prints were on it. This is purely speculation on my part. Wouldn’t the coroner be able to tell if Nona was hit with a stick as apposed to a lamp? Guess we will have to wait for the trail for any more information like that.

[ValleyGirl]

FD -
I asked this yesterday and I hate to be redundant but I think that it's important... what item was used to cut her neck? Has this been released? Is there any speculation?

[FDInLaw]

This is from the Probable Cause statement;

"Nona Dirksmeyer’s body was sent to the medical examiner’s office for autopsy. The autopsy was performed on the 19th of December 2005 and a final report was issued on the 16 day of March, 2006. The ME concluded that Nona’s death was a homicide caused by multiple blunt and sharp force injuries. Among the medical examiner’s findings was a large horizontally oriented laceration centered on the posterior occipital scalp directly in the midline which was four (4) inches below the top of the head and three (3) inches in length. The wound was associated with hemorrhage and contusion of the brain. Affiant was told by the ME that this injury was the lethal event and that it was caused by an object similar to and consistent with the base of the lamp which had Jones’ fingerprint on it."

It mentions "sharp force" injuries but does not say they have or know what the actual object was. So, like you, I don't know.

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
This is from the Probable Cause statement;

It mentions "sharp force" injuries but does not say they have or know what the actual object was. So, like you, I don't know.
I don't think "sharp force" actually has anything to do with cuts, and has to do with the way the blunt force was administered. The probable cause statement doesn't mention anything about the cuts, unless I'm missing it.

[birdie1]

hi everybody...i've been reading this board for about 2 mos. it is really interesting...some of the things that aresaid on here. i know who lewism is,....i play golf with him....he is a good guy....retired medically from ASP CID....he knows alot that nobody in charge is telling......i wish he would say more. he wont tell us (regular golf group) except that he thinks they got it wrong and hes angry about it, that much i do know. anyway, its fun reading what ya'll have to say and what you think.i'll keep reading, too bad lewis got censored or banned....

[2lakes]

Originally posted by birdie1
hi everybody...i've been reading this board for about 2 mos. it is really interesting...some of the things that aresaid on here. i know who lewism is,....i play golf with him....he is a good guy....retired medically from ASP CID....he knows alot that nobody in charge is telling......i wish he would say more. he wont tell us (regular golf group) except that he thinks they got it wrong and hes angry about it, that much i do know. anyway, its fun reading what ya'll have to say and what you think.i'll keep reading, too bad lewis got censored or banned....

I'm still can't help but be a bit skeptical of lewisM. Just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't discuss the case with his golfing buddies except to tell you that he was censored or banned while discussing the facts of the case on a public message board.

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by 2lakes
I'm still can't help but be a bit skeptical of lewisM. Just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't discuss the case with his golfing buddies except to tell you that he was censored or banned while discussing the facts of the case on a public message board. Something I found is interesting is the incredible similarity to lewisM's writing style that "birdie1" has. All lower case, sentence fragments broken up by ellipses...

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
Something I found is interesting is the incredible similarity to lewisM's writing style that "birdie1" has. All lower case, sentence fragments broken up by ellipses...

I agree!

[2lakes]

Either golfing budding think alike or lewisM is birdie1 too!

[2lakes]

Meant to say buddies :tongue:

[birdie1]

man!!! what a tough crowd!!! i promise im not lewisM. im just interested in the case. i have been reading this board since january. just thought i would stick up for my buddy. why doesnt someone foi the city of rsvl....see who rpd paid consulting fees to from 12-05 thru 3-06......anyway, im not lewis....i guess you folks are offended by the truth. sorry i bothered you. i will continue to post...i hope i have not upset the dream world some of you are in.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by birdie1
man!!! what a tough crowd!!! i promise im not lewisM. im just interested in the case. i have been reading this board since january. just thought i would stick up for my buddy. why doesnt someone foi the city of rsvl....see who rpd paid consulting fees to from 12-05 thru 3-06......anyway, im not lewis....i guess you folks are offended by the truth. sorry i bothered you. i will continue to post...i hope i have not upset the dream world some of you are in.

birdie1 - I admit, we can be a tough bunch around here :) Hope you feel that you can continue to post with your opinion just as the rest of us. I like to see all angles.

Are you saying that the rpd paid lewisM consulting fees from 12-05 to 3-06? If so, I still stand my ground that he shouldn't be posting on a public message board if he is involved in the investigation, IMO.

So do you think the wrong man is in custody?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by birdie1
man!!! what a tough crowd!!! i promise im not lewisM. im just interested in the case. i have been reading this board since january. just thought i would stick up for my buddy. why doesnt someone foi the city of rsvl....see who rpd paid consulting fees to from 12-05 thru 3-06......anyway, im not lewis....i guess you folks are offended by the truth. sorry i bothered you. i will continue to post...i hope i have not upset the dream world some of you are in.

Birdie 1,

Surely, no one was offended by your previous post. It was just interesting (even humorous) how similar your writing style is with LewisM. Heck, I don’t care if you are LewisM! Please just try to stick with the rules of this message board. There are ways to shake up “dream worlds” without making bogus or unbelievable claims - try sticking with the evidence and use logic!

Glad you intend to keep posting.

[birdie1]

i think its funny that some of ya'll think i AM lewis. he complained about being kicked off of here. i only know that lewis thinks they have the wrong guy. he no longer is being paid a consultant fee til he quit when they decided to arrest kj. it should be easy to do. if you want to whether lewis is for real, FOI rpd or city of rsvl, see who they pd consultant fees to for those dates. that should take care of it.
he was consulting rpd, not employed by them, and i guess he can say whatever he wants on here. after all, he is annonymous here.
the newspaper would not print what he told them, even though the RPD confirmed what he said. i dont know what he told them. i suspect it was about people he thought were better suspects.
you guys have fun with all this...i will relay anything he tells me i can.
you should also FOI pine bluff, hes consulting for them on some things, i dont know what tho

[TexasGirl06]

Originally posted by birdie1
i think its funny that some of ya'll think i AM lewis. he complained about being kicked off of here. i only know that lewis thinks they have the wrong guy. he no longer is being paid a consultant fee til he quit when they decided to arrest kj. it should be easy to do. if you want to whether lewis is for real, FOI rpd or city of rsvl, see who they pd consultant fees to for those dates. that should take care of it.
he was consulting rpd, not employed by them, and i guess he can say whatever he wants on here. after all, he is annonymous here.
the newspaper would not print what he told them, even though the RPD confirmed what he said. i dont know what he told them. i suspect it was about people he thought were better suspects.
you guys have fun with all this...i will relay anything he tells me i can.
you should also FOI pine bluff, hes consulting for them on some things, i dont know what tho

*If* Lewis is a former ASP CID and was paid by RPD for investigative consulting in the Dirksmeyer case and what he says is true, then why has this information not been made public?

Lewis mentioned a different murder weapon, different person, passing polygraph, etc, etc.

I still have lots of unanswered questions about this case, but I can't imagine the RPD would railroad an extremely popular local boy. Why would they go to that trouble?

[2lakes]

Originally posted by birdie1
i think its funny that some of ya'll think i AM lewis. he complained about being kicked off of here.

Just to set the record straight, I don't think Lewis was banned or kicked off the site. Coldwater removed/edited some of his posts because of the facts he stated with nothing to back them up. He is still listed as a member. Am I mistaken or if he was banned would his profile and posts still remain?

[ValleyGirl]

Has anyone read the Motion for Discovery?

[2lakes]

I browsed the pageant site and found this link posted today. This is the first time I have seen this video. It shows Kevin laughing at the funeral.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0306/315437.html

[herlock h.]

Does anyone else find that statement "..he rubbed his hands over the blood" to be a strange way of saying, he rubbed his hands in the blood or he touched the blood "to see how fresh it was"? Really, is the report saying he used both hands? It's just weird (I think).

Herlock

[jjlynn072]

I think it is very odd. IMO, he used both hands incase he had any "evidence" on his hands it could be explained. This guy certainly has done some very interesting things to say the least, IMO. I also have to say the (lewis and birdie) posters appear to possibly be friends of this guy maybe??? JMO, but I would think someone that was a consultant and has some type of education should have much better communication and grammer skills. I think the style, puncustion and communication of facts does not prove to be a professional with an education beyond high school. This is just my opinion....

[herlock h.]

Hi JJ - Yes, I agree, he got blood on his hands to compromise the evidence. It seems to me that there are many more ways to say he "rubbed his hands over the blood" to communicate what probably happened. That statement and the fact that this use of words gets used over and over makes me question what they are saying. Wouldn't you say "he rubbed his hands IN the blood"? Maybe I'm splitting hairs but that strange choice of words has bothered me since the beginning.

Herlock

[jjlynn072]

Hi Herlock, I think you are right. IMO, there is more there for this to be stated as "over the blood" than rubbing his hands "in the blood". I am just not sure what yet. I can't believe this isn't going to trial until January of next year.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by herlock h.
Does anyone else find that statement "..he rubbed his hands over the blood" to be a strange way of saying, he rubbed his hands in the blood or he touched the blood "to see how fresh it was"? Really, is the report saying he used both hands? It's just weird (I think).

Herlock
I agree; it's very weird.
imo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

I agree; it's very weird.
imo

That does sound weird, Frankie. Why would anyone have to run both hands over blood to test its freshness? Why not simply run a single finger over it?

I'm not following this case, so I might be missing something. If I am, I apologize to all posters for being uninformed.

[rhondacarol]

I'm new to this thread, but have been reading it for a while.

About birdie1...I have to say that the wording choices that he/she made in the assuring the public that he in fact was not lewisM were quit juvenile. I suspect birdie1 be a type of "cult (not occult)" follower of KJ. IMMHO.

To a more pertinent issue...what about a supposed confession by the son of an area politico. I believe, from editorial accounts, it was investigated and found to be false, but interesting nonetheless. Is it true...where there is smoke, there is fire?

Also, the wording about the hands in the blood...disturbing. Weren't those his words, then just repeated in the PC papers?

Hmmmmm.....

[rhondacarol]

(sic) quite juvenile

Sorry!

[chambord]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


That does sound weird, Frankie. Why would anyone have to run both hands over blood to test its freshness? Why not simply run a single finger over it?

I'm not following this case, so I might be missing something. If I am, I apologize to all posters for being uninformed.


Nice to come across you here, I love posting with logical posters. Guess I should read up on this case before I state an opinion. Is this the "case du jour" for the time being? The Natalee board has become volatile, and I come here for enjoyment, not to engage in board wars. I love exploring the ins and outs of crime, and what forensics plays in solving same. Guess I'll read back and get up to date.

Nice to see two of my two favorite posters here.


moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by chambord



Nice to come across you here, I love posting with logical posters. Guess I should read up on this case before I state an opinion. Is this the "case du jour" for the time being? The Natalee board has become volatile, and I come here for enjoyment, not to engage in board wars. I love exploring the ins and outs of crime, and what forensics plays in solving same. Guess I'll read back and get up to date.

Nice to see two of my two favorite posters here.


moo
Thank you. I'm going to read up on this case as well.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


That does sound weird, Frankie. Why would anyone have to run both hands over blood to test its freshness? Why not simply run a single finger over it?

I'm not following this case, so I might be missing something. If I am, I apologize to all posters for being uninformed.
I just don't get it. Running a finger through it would be much simpler, unless the perp had a certain fetish.
imo

[FDInLaw]

Hey! It's sure nice to have some new faces on this thread!

Check out this link for more case info if you are new:

http://www.huffcrimeblog.com/index.php?s=nona+dirksmeyer

[2lakes]

Also, some of the links at the beginning of the thread may no longer work. Here's a link to the archived articles from the Courier News in Russellville.

http://www.couriernews.com/archivesearch.php

I need to read back over the statements but in addition to Kevin "rubbing over the blood" I thought I remembered reading that he stated he liked to watch crime shows such as CSI. That would seem like a strange thing to say to the police.

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by rhondacarol
To a more pertinent issue...what about a supposed confession by the son of an area politico. I believe, from editorial accounts, it was investigated and found to be false, but interesting nonetheless. Is it true...where there is smoke, there is fire? The issue isn't "pertinent" whatsoever. A rumor was started about the person in question and was very quickly extinguished by the police. It was just another rumor started because either a) people were tired of there not being an arrest or b) it was started by someone with an interest in Kevin's interest.

Both are likely true, but b) will be popping up more and more, as we're already seeing on this board with someone pretending to be a consultant on this case, even though his facts are wrong.

[Hey Paula]

Doing some very quick reading about this case, I find it odd that Jones' mother would think Nona had an "accident" when her throat was cut. Perhaps her son told her it was an accident, or she merely said it to protect him.

Given what I've read thus far, Jones certainly appears to be the prime suspect. Rubbing his hand over the blood vs running a single finger over it, to test its freshness, certainly sounds strange, and more like an explanation of how much of an inordinate amount of Nona's blood/DNA would be found on his hands.

I confess to not having read extensively on this case, so again, I apologize if I seem uninformed.

Thanks to all who have provided links. Heads-up to 2Lakes: I couldn't get your link to work in such a way to provide info re this case, but thank you for taking the time to post it.

[chambord]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
Hey! It's sure nice to have some new faces on this thread!

Check out this link for more case info if you are new:

http://www.huffcrimeblog.com/index.php?s=nona+dirksmeyer


Feeling is mutual.. Hopefully I can catch up.. Seems like a very riveting case.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Thanks to all who have provided links. Heads-up to 2Lakes: I couldn't get your link to work in such a way to provide info re this case, but thank you for taking the time to post it.

I got the same error message when I tried to pull it up again.

Go to couriernews.com then click on archives on the left side of the page. Enter Nona Dirksmeyer under the catagory search "news". That should pull up all the articles.

[FDInLaw]

Nona Dirksmeyer was a member of the Arkansas pageant community, if you are going to follow the case it is a good idea to keep an eye on these threads:

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1144337241
and

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1134763602

Also on the site, now closed but a must read, the thread started by Kevin Jones (?):

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1135031922

[Hey Paula]

Thanks for the links FDinLaw.

Kevin's thread had self-serving undertones, asking the girls not to discuss anything with the media, but to merely say "no comment".

Given that Nona was only 19, and she had been going with Kevin for the last 5 years, prior to her murder, that would put her at 15y/o when they began their relationship. That is awfully young. I think perhaps, as Nona grew, Kevin might have remained unchanged. Nona's interests were widening, as was her circle of friends.

Perhaps her interest in Kevin, as a partner, was waning. After having been together for 5 years, Nona likely still loved Kevin, but perhaps in a more platonic way, which maybe Kevin could not accept.

I must say that it surely seems to me that Kevin did, in fact, kill Nona. His bloody fingerprints were on the lamp, despite having denied he had touched it. And I find it downright weird that he would say he laid on top of Nona's body, running his hands over the blood on her body. I feel certain he said that to explain the blood contained on the front of his shirt. Nevertheless, it is still an odd statement.

IMO

ETA: 2Lakes, I still haven't been able to read anything about this case at Courier News Online, as I don't see an archive link, and there is nowhere I noticed that I could search it. I even tried to Google "Courier News Nona Dirksmeyer", and when I click the links offered, I get a "Not Found" alert.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by Hey Paula

ETA: 2Lakes, I still haven't been able to read anything about this case at Courier News Online, as I don't see an archive link, and there is nowhere I noticed that I could search it. I even tried to Google "Courier News Nona Dirksmeyer", and when I click the links offered, I get a "Not Found" alert.

Hey Paula,

Go to the left side of the page on the couriernews.com under a green tab "Information"

Then under the archive page do a catagory search under "news" for Nona Dirksmeyer. That should get you there.

Their website isn't the greatest but that link will bring up a lot of good articles on the case.

Hope it works :seeya:

[2lakes]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Thanks for the links FDinLaw.

Kevin's thread had self-serving undertones, asking the girls not to discuss anything with the media, but to merely say "no comment".



Also, he made the comments on the pageant board the same day as her funeral. Add that to the video of him laughing at the funeral. I must admit that I have never had a camera on me while waiting for the family to exit after a funeral service. I'm sure I have laughed and smiled while having conversation with others. I would not however expect the grieving boyfriend to act this way expecially given the fact that his girlfriend was murdered a few days prior and he was the one to discover her body. Her parents talked about how matter of fact he was when he called them to tell them about finding her dead. He also was asked not to sit with the family at the funeral after the police told them he was the prime suspect.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Doing some very quick reading about this case, I find it odd that Jones' mother would think Nona had an "accident" when her throat was cut. Perhaps her son told her it was an accident, or she merely said it to protect him.


I read the 911 transcipt again (Does anyone know a link to the audio?) I also find it odd that the mother referred to the scene as an "accident" but then she said, "I need the police". This is only my opinion because I have never been in the same situation but wouldn't you call 911 asking for "help" or an "ambulance". If that had been my loved one on the floor I would have been asking the operator instructions on how to do CPR or whatever I could do until help arrived. They walked in and didn't know how long she had been on the floor (besides Kevin "running his fingers through the blood". I witnessed a friends dad having a massive heart attack while preaching. He was killed instantly but they tried CPR over and over and again at the hospital until they gave them no hope. I know this isn't exactly the same but it just seems odd the way the scene was handled. I would think the boyfriend would do everything he could to help her because he would not want to believe that there was no hope until medical help assured him there wasn't. Just seems like he was there just to pronounce her dead at the scene. IMO.

[paralegallin]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
Mgrace - here is a direct quote from the Probable Cause statement posted on this thread:

“He (Kevin) stated that after getting the door open, he ran inside and laid on top of her and “rubbed his hands over the blood to see how fresh it was.”“

Please, for our sanity, read the Probably Cause statement. Some of your assertions are just ridiculously inaccurate. Also, keep in mind that there were other witnesses on the scene - Kevin’s Mom and friend. The police would not attempt, let alone get away with, fabricating something like that.

(Is it just me, or does this crime blog feel more like a pot party? How many people are going to get on here, and, out of ignorance, create their own reality?)

You know, I cannot think of any reason I would lay atop a body and run my hands through it to see how fresh it was. ICK

I would check for a pulse, I would try cpr, but ick ick never run my hands through the blood or lay on top of a body

MOO

[chambord]

I spent most of yesterday reading all the posts and links. I can't believe this case slipped by me. Its quite fascinating. Going back to reading more links.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by chambord
I spent most of yesterday reading all the posts and links. I can't believe this case slipped by me. Its quite fascinating. Going back to reading more links.

There is also more to read on Court TV's Crime Library:

http://ss910.fusionbot.com/cgi-bin/ss_query?keys=nona+dirksmeyer&submit=GO&ct=10&sitenbr=61032486&searchButton.x=4&searchButton.y=14

Glad you're hooked!

[2lakes]

"Though Kevin Jones was one of two people besides Nona Dirksmeyer with a key to her apartment, he forgot it that night. With Whiteside's assistance, Jones forced open a sliding glass door at the rear of the residence."

I took the above quote from the Steve Huff article on the crime library.

We still have the issue of the missing stick from the sliding glass door. Is there a possibility that the stick was used in the attack in addition to the floor lamp? If not, would there be a reason for Kevin to take the stick when he left after the attack so that he could easily gain entry to the back sliding door when he came with others later that day? What would be the purpose of "forgetting your key" and using the back door to gain entry?

[WhoDunIt]

Suppose you arrive at the door with others; the vics car is there but no answer at the door. There would be no reason to panic or be alarmed at that point; perhaps she just went shopping and left with someone else. There would be no reason to use a key, even if you had one, to get in - just because there was no answer, especially if you had people with you. That would show you anticipate a problem. No answer ususally means - no one is home. However, should there be a way to peer in the back sliding door and see a body lying on the floor, then you have your reason. The perp knew the victim kept a stick in the door, so it had to be removed - in order to enter through the back UPON SEEING A BODY. Since he knew the stick was always kept there - he would not have forced the door open - assuming the stick was in place and entry could not be done through that door. However, the door was forced open even when locked (with no stick there) - Jones did it and RPD did it. The question: How did Jones know he could force open that door if there was always a stick kept there ? How did he know unless he removed it earlier? IMO the person who did this knew he had to get back in and have a reason to go in. Who else would think to remove the stick and take it with them..........who else would care ?

[herlock h.]

Originally posted by paralegallin


You know, I cannot think of any reason I would lay atop a body and run my hands through it to see how fresh it was. ICK

I would check for a pulse, I would try cpr, but ick ick never run my hands through the blood or lay on top of a body

MOO

Just for the sake of accuracy - they say he "rubbed his hands over the blood" not THROUGH the blood. This use of words is exactly what's bugging me about info that has been released to the public.

Herlock

[chambord]

Originally posted by WhoDunIt
Suppose you arrive at the door with others; the vics car is there but no answer at the door. There would be no reason to panic or be alarmed at that point; perhaps she just went shopping and left with someone else. There would be no reason to use a key, even if you had one, to get in - just because there was no answer, especially if you had people with you. That would show you anticipate a problem. No answer ususally means - no one is home. However, should there be a way to peer in the back sliding door and see a body lying on the floor, then you have your reason. The perp knew the victim kept a stick in the door, so it had to be removed - in order to enter through the back UPON SEEING A BODY. Since he knew the stick was always kept there - he would not have forced the door open - assuming the stick was in place and entry could not be done through that door. However, the door was forced open even when locked (with no stick there) - Jones did it and RPD did it. The question: How did Jones know he could force open that door if there was always a stick kept there ? How did he know unless he removed it earlier? IMO the person who did this knew he had to get back in and have a reason to go in. Who else would think to remove the stick and take it with them..........who else would care ?


Wow!! I have been thinking about 2lakes bringing up the subject of the door stick earlier, and now you have given me a *light bulb* moment. Good sleuthing

[2lakes]

Originally posted by chambord



Wow!! I have been thinking about 2lakes bringing up the subject of the door stick earlier, and now you have given me a *light bulb* moment. Good sleuthing

I agree chambord. Very good post Whodoneit. I thought I was reading a novel :)

[chambord]

Originally posted by 2lakes


I agree chambord. Very good post Whodoneit. I thought I was reading a novel :)


How convenient a key wasn't available. Normaly if its a key you use frequently wouldn't it be on your key ring along with car keys, etc. I just don't understand not going thru the front door. I'm thinking he had the key all along.


moo

[2lakes]

I thought the same thing. I think his reasoning for not having the key will be that he rode to the Christmas party with his mom & forgot his keys at home (if in fact his mom drove instead of him). If he drove his mom to the party I think his account of "forgetting" the key will be weak. He was just there the evening before & the ring would most likely be on his key ring with his vehicle key.

[2lakes]

chambord, what are your thoughts about Kevin picking up a greeting card at the crime scene?

[WhoDunIt]

Thanks guys.

Why didn't he just use the key? I think he really had to have a reason to go in, and he had to know that reason in advance, and leave his key at home on purpose. He had company with him, and it would be a curious event to just open the door for no reason with others present. After all, she might have just been out with a friend. There was nothing to indicate otherwise. Early morning and mid-day finals, things going on at school, just before Christmas, she was to be busy that day. No cause for alarm, and not enough to open the door with a key. If, in fact, he was "concerned" as mentioned in the Probable Cause statment, because he could not reach her all day, he would not have needed the friend to go by - he would have gone by himself, with the key, anytime that day. According to the P.C. statement, he told police he tried calling her around 11 or 12 that day and her phone went directly to voice mail. Yet in checking cell phone records, police found that statement to be false. IMO he would have made sure he could see the body through the sliding glass door, giving him reason to enter.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by WhoDunIt
According to the P.C. statement, he told police he tried calling her around 11 or 12 that day and her phone went directly to voice mail. Yet in checking cell phone records, police found that statement to be false.

I guess I missed that in the PC statement. You would think if you were going tell investigators that your cause for concern was that you couldn't reach the victim all day, you would at least try calling the victim all day for the sake of phone records.

[WhoDunIt]

"On the 15th of December, Jones was interviewed by RPD Investigators and Jones stated that during the afternoon of the 15th of December he became concerned about Nona because he had not heard from Nona...". Also in the statement: "The rear sliding door opened onto the living room where Nona's body lay and according to Jones' statement to law enforcement on the 15th day of December, he saw Nona laying there with blood underneath her head. He stated that AFTER getting the door open, he ran inside and laid on top of her.....". This statement right here tells me he saw her first, opened the door, then ran in. He didn't get the door open first and then see her body - he saw her body and then opened the door. According to the statement he did make calls to Nona's phone very late in the day, not earlier as he had first told police. He had so much to remember.

[chambord]

Originally posted by 2lakes
chambord, what are your thoughts about Kevin picking up a greeting card at the crime scene?


In my haste to get up to par with this case, I think I missed the greeting card. Could you explain that. I am so intrigued by this case as I have read back, I'm sure I've let key points slip thru the cracks. Sorry to use the "key" again. Why hasn't this case received the attention it surely warrants?

[2lakes]

Originally posted by chambord



In my haste to get up to par with this case, I think I missed the greeting card. Could you explain that. I am so intrigued by this case as I have read back, I'm sure I've let key points slip thru the cracks. Sorry to use the "key" again. Why hasn't this case received the attention it surely warrants?

Taken from probable cause statement - "Despite his actions at the crime scene (laying on the body, putting his hands in the blood) Jones denied ever touching the lamp when the body was discovered. This was confirmed by a sworn statement by Whiteside who stated that he didn’t see Jones touch anything other than Nona and a greeting card."

Why would he pick up a greeting card at the scene of his girlfriend lying in a pool of blood? Was the greeting card a holiday card or a "thinking of you" card from another guy? Did Kevin actually pick up the card the evening before and this is what set off his anger therefore he had to pick up the card again at the scene to justify his handprint? Or perhaps he stopped by Nona's apartment the following day to say hi on his way to work and saw the card on the counter and this started the argument.
And the million dollar question - Who was the card from????

I think the reason that this case has not recieved much media attention besides the initial story on CNN is because her mother was selective and declined the media publicity. I read one of the articles from the courier and it said she had been approached by a number of news media including Inside Edition. They knew early on that Kevin was the prime suspect and the police asked them to keep the information to themselves. They most likely did not want to compromise the case. I would think during the 100 days waiting for an arrest that they were also beginning to wonder if an arrest would be made. Also, the time frame was around the holidays and I'm not sure if this made a difference with the media.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by WhoDunIt
[B According to the statement he did make calls to Nona's phone very late in the day, not earlier as he had first told police. He had so much to remember. [/B]


He did remember to send a text message though. (Perhaps he chose the wording from a Law & Order episode)

"The Crime Lab determined that the text message from Jones to Nona at 16:28 read “U ALIVE”.

[Amy]

Originally posted by 2lakes


I guess I missed that in the PC statement. You would think if you were going tell investigators that your cause for concern was that you couldn't reach the victim all day, you would at least try calling the victim all day for the sake of phone records.

He isn't the first to "miss" the phone record thing. You would think that, in all the CSI type of shows he watched, he would have realized there is a way to track phone calls.....and, as you say, at least actually MAKE the calls he claimed to have!!!!

[Amy]

Originally posted by 2lakes


snip........

Also, the time frame was around the holidays and I'm not sure if this made a difference with the media.

I don't think holidays make a difference with the media. The disappearance of Laci Peterson happened Dec 24.....and they picked up on that one. There are others around holidays, too, I am sure. So, maybe it was her mom declining interviews, and the fact that the LE was keepin' things quiet that made them decide to go on to other stories. And, was there another "big" case that was keeping them busy? I can't remember.

I am surprised that the media would keep things quiet at the request of LE----not the local media so much, but the national ones like Inside Edition. Guess I am kinda cynical...and don't give them the credit they deserve.

[Lobsters]

Originally posted by 2lakes



He did remember to send a text message though. (Perhaps he chose the wording from a Law & Order episode)

"The Crime Lab determined that the text message from Jones to Nona at 16:28 read “U ALIVE”.

Now that is just d@mn creepy.....


It's always the cell phone....always the cell phone that is their downfall (ya know,,,other than being a sicko in the first place by murdering someone).

:read:

[gentilben]

(IMO) I am an investigator! (IMO) I have been investigating this case since December. (IMO) I have not posted on this board before, but I have been reading it religiously since January. This morning, I just decided to make a couple of points. (IMO) Yesterday, I spoke with another interested party who has been investigating the case from day 1. (IMO) I would like to say that he agrees with myself and lewis.m that not only is Kevin not the only person who should be considered to have committed this crime, but the evidence shows that Kevin is not the most likely person to have committed this crime. (IMO) That there is considerable evidence, eye-witness accounts, forensic evidence that points strongly to other person(s). There seems to be an aversion on this board in discussing anything other than the prosecution’s statement. When myself, and I’m sure other people reading this board would like a more open discussion. Which may encourage others with knowledge of the facts of this case to post here. Point one.

(IMO), next point, is that recently, I was involved in resuscitating a young woman, who had a blunt force trauma to the head, cause unknown; I came upon her lifeless body, and immediately got on my knees, checked her for pulse, and respiration and determined she was not breathing and had no heartbeat. Knowing she could have had spinal injury, and not knowing what had happened to her, I had no choice but to handle her, clear her air passage and administer CPR. This continued for ten minutes. During this time, not once did it cross my mind that I was messing with the evidence, of any crime that may have occurred before my arrival. I was focused solely upon the task of saving a life. Which I did. She is recovering as we type. (IMO) Had she died, stayed dead, remained dead, not recovered, there is little doubt in my mind, that you people would be discussing my tampering with the evidence to cover up the fact that I had killed her. (IMO) Seems like, law enforcement in AR, tends to take the path of least resistance. Oh, and yes, there were bloody fingerprints all over the house. (IMO) Whatever evidence of a crime was there, was completely muddled by my thoughtless life saving activities. I had no way of knowing at the time how long she had been there, whether she could be resuscitated, but I had little choice but to do everything I knew might save this life. (IMO) I’ve noticed on this message board, that no one thinks Kevin might have just been focused on helping Nona. (IMO) It is obvious he did not have my experience in dealing with trauma victims. (IMO) I likely would have recognized soon after handling Nona’s body that it was too late to save her life. (IMO). I’m an old guy. (IMO) I have been in war time conditions, resuscitated several trauma victims (IMO) that with many situations of severe injuries. (IMO) Kevin is not an old guy (IMO) Kevin is inexperienced in all of this (IMO), just might have a**ed up here. IMO. Blundered into a tragic situation that he was emotionally involved in and made many decisions based on his emotional trauma.

(IMO) Have any of you guys noticed that Coldwater only bans, censors the folks that are still giving Kevin the presumption of innocence? (IMO) this seems a little weird to me. (IMO) I would like the readers and members to express their views on investigators placing their comments here. Thanks. Oh, and I’m still finding bloody fingerprints around the house; I can’t tell you what I touched. (IMO).

(IMO) Valley Girl, how many times you walked in on a good friend in a pool of blood? Did you go for saving the life, or preserving the evidence?

(IMO) FDinLaw, how many times have you rescusitated a blood covered trauma victim without tainting the evidence? Is everyone on this board saying they walk in on a friend, lying in a pool of blood, going to think only about tainting the evidence? (IMO) If this is the case, what have we become?

(IMO) Ben

[ValleyGirl]

Ben
To answer your question, I've never walked in on a person in a pool of blood (thank God!). Secondly, I'm sure if it were a loved one I would try to help. It seems reasonable to believe that Kevin would try to help Nona as well. The issue that people have is within the probable cause statement is that is states that Kevin rubbed his hand in the blood to determine how fresh it was. I'm not sure if these words Kevin's direct words or if the wording was changed. Either way it is a dramatic/disturbing statement.
Normally, when a person is unconscious you check the pulse to determine if there is a heartbeat and administer CPR accordingly.

The probable cause statement looks damaging to Kevin because that's its purpose. However, I'm sure that the defense will present their side as well. The problem that I have that seems to be the hurdle in this case is the way in which she was discovered. It seems as though Kevin orchestrated finding her with his friend and mother in tow.

This is of course, only my opinion...

[FDInLaw]

Ben,

I have been trained in CPR but have never happened upon the opportunity to use it. I can say with certainly, that I would not tell the police that “I rubbed my hands in the blood to see how fresh it was.” (IMO) Like most folks, I would have told the police that I tried to resuscitate the victim. I certainly would not have been dependant on my lawyer to “set the record straight” a few months latter. Over the years I’ve enjoyed countless lawyer jokes and maybe it has tainted my psyche, but when a lawyer says something, I don’t take it at face value. Kevin Jones laid on top of Nona Dirksmeyer and did some things that caused the police to implicate him. It just seems logical that Kevin’s lawyer would make some kind of statement to explain his client’s actions (true or not). Yes, it is possible that Kevin attempted CPR and was just an idiot when he made the statements he made. But there are other things that implicate him as well NOT JUST his behavior at the crime scene and fingerprints.

This will annoy you, but, yet again, here is something from the Probable Cause statement:

“Kevin Jones was interviewed on December 15th and stated that Jones had last seen Nona at her apartment at approximately 00:3 0 on the 15th when he left her apartment and went to Jones’ parent’s home north of Dover to spend the night. He further stated that he called Nona at approximately 01:30 and talked for a few minutes before going to bed. He then stated he had received a text message from Nona at 09:07 on the 15 . He stated that he stayed at his house until 11:45 at which time he left for his parent’s gas station on Hwy 7 South of Dover. He stated he arrived at the station at noon and while there he talked with Blake Walters. Blake Walters was interviewed and stated that he did not see Jones at the Station until 13:00 on the 15th of December. Jones stated in his interview that he first tried to call Nona around 11:00 or 12:OO on the 15th and that Nona’s phone rang and went straight to voice mail. Affiant obtained the cell phone records for Nona’s phone and Jones’ phone and both sets of records show that the first call to Nona’s phone by Jones (after the very early morning call) was at 14:10. After that time Jones made several calls to Nona’s phone to include a text message at 16:28. Affiant obtained Nona’s phone and submitted it to the State Crime Lab for SIM card analysis. The Crime Lab determined that the text message from Jones to Nona at 16:28 read “U ALIVE”.”

In this paragraph Kevin lied not once, but twice to the police. How do you explain this????

[FDInLaw]

I can’t help myself, I have to comment more. . . according to the phone records, Kevin’s first call to Nona was at 2:10 in the afternoon. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Nona have a final scheduled for 2:00pm??? It’s weird that Kevin didn’t know that - and that he would be so worried that she didn’t respond. Last I heard you can’t make or take calls during a college final! With that said, four hours later Kevin was so worried that he has a friend drop by and knock on the door (something the friend stated was weird). You have to wonder, did Nona ever accidentally leave her cell phone at home? Did she ever go out with friends and leave her car at home? In such a short time period what caused Kevin to be so concerned? It’s obvious that Kevin and Nona did not have plans that night, he was on his way to a party with his mom. (Oh, and what 20 year old goes with his mother to her office party?) I’m sorry, but IMHO, the whole thing just reeks of a set up. IMO Kevin was in a hurry. . . because he murdered Nona and he knew that it was essential that HE be the first to find her. He also realized that it would be wise for him to have witnesses there. This is just my opinion.

[oxfordwebster]

This is all in my opinion:

So, someone decided to make an account to make statements that completely go against the stated facts of the case, and we're supposed to believe he's an actual investigator on the case?

No real investigator for this case will be posting on message boards, unless it's someone trying to blow smoke to sow doubt in people.

The probable cause statement quotes Kevin's actual statement, where he specifically says he rubbed his hands over the blood to see how fresh it was.

I'm sorry, but if he walked into the house with an idea to resuscitate her, then he wouldn't first assume she was dead and start messing with the blood to see how fresh it was.

If anybody who thinks Kevin is innocent wants to be taken seriously, they need to explain all of the holes in Kevin's story first.

I wonder how many more first-time posters will appear to preach Kevin's innocence and claim that they are an investigator or are connected to the investigation? I've counted three so far...

[Amy]

Originally posted by gentilben

snip....

(IMO) Have any of you guys noticed that Coldwater only bans, censors the folks that are still giving Kevin the presumption of innocence? (IMO) this seems a little weird to me. (IMO) I would like the readers and members to express their views on investigators placing their comments here. Thanks. Oh, and I’m still finding bloody fingerprints around the house; I can’t tell you what I touched. (IMO).


(IMO) Ben

....snip


I am sure the young woman appreciates your endeavors. And, of course when one attempts resuscitation....there is contamination of the immediate scene.

That being said, there was never any thing reporting that Kevin was attempting resuscitation at all. And, resuscitation does not require "lying on the body" and checking to see how old the blood is. What one checks is for say, a pulse, or the temperature of the skin. (From first hand knowledge--and being certified in CPR for 30+ years.)

As for Coldwater, she actually has left dissenting opinions about the murderer of Nona---she bans posters for not following TOS. IMO.

[herlock h.]

gentilben - I think that's great that your first instincts were to try and save that woman. However, is there any evidence that is what Kevin was doing when he compromised the crime scene? Has he ever said that he got blood on himself from trying to resuscitate Nona? Why would he need to get her blood all over the place if he was trying to determine how fresh it was? Wouldn't you just touch the body to see if it was cold? Kevin's behavior at the scene was certainly unusual. Unusual behavior draws attention to a person....

Herlock

[jjlynn072]

First and formost, who was banned from this board? Where is your proof? If you are suggesting "lewis" then I believe you are mistaken. Coldwater just reminded this poster of the rules. You do not post fact without backing it up. If you cannot back it up you need to make sure you state that it is your opinion. Must be someone just didn't read the rules first. Now, if you do know for sure that someone who posted in favor of Kevin was banned from this board, EVERYONE here deserves to know where your information came from. You must provide some proof and not word of mouth. (click on the rules link)

Second, everyone on this board is entitled to their opinion. If you truly believe Kevin is innocent great we can debate. If you have all of this information saying that Keving is not the only one that could have done it or the last person that should have done it, then give us your reasons and facts and make sure you have a link to back it up. We do not know you and I for one certainly am not going to take some posters claims of innocence for Kevin as truth. I debate a case on the facts presented as most here seem to do.

Third, IMO, most posters are very open minded to both sides of the story. However, they will ask tough questions when all evidence points in the opposite direction. You have to be willing to back up your claims and place blame.

Last, welcome to the board and I look forward to your posts!

MOO

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by herlock h.
gentilben - I think that's great that your first instincts were to try and save that woman. However, is there any evidence that is what Kevin was doing when he compromised the crime scene? Has he ever said that he got blood on himself from trying to resuscitate Nona? Why would he need to get her blood all over the place if he was trying to determine how fresh it was? Wouldn't you just touch the body to see if it was cold? Kevin's behavior at the scene was certainly unusual. Unusual behavior draws attention to a person....

Herlock

Unusual behavior, exactly Herlock!

[FDInLaw]

This is from http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/150430/ and it is the only place, to my knowledge, that resuscitation is mentioned in this case.


"Frost’s affidavit, released by Gibbons, said Jones had told police that when he saw Dirksmeyer through a glass door lying on the living room floor in a pool of blood, he ran inside, lay on top of her and “rubbed his hands over the blood to see how fresh it was.”

As a result, Frost wrote, “Jones’ face, hands, and the front of his clothing became smeared in blood.” The detective accused Jones of “a deliberate attempt to tamper with the crime scene and provide an explanation for any of the victim’s blood, tissue or fibers being on him or any of his tissue being on the victim.”

Frost said the FBI concurred with this conclusion.

Defense attorney Johnson countered: “There was nothing... manufactured about that. It was real. He actually tried to resuscitate her.”

According to the affidavit, Jones told a police officer he watched a lot of the Law & Order programs, which Frost said deal with forensic science and crime-scene analysis. "

[oxfordwebster]

In my opinion...

As has already been said, it's interesting that resuscitation was mentioned first by the defense lawyer. You would think Kevin would use that as an explanation to the police, but we have to hear it from the defense attorney. The defense attorney whose sole purpose is to manufacture a case that somehow proves Kevin's innocence.

I think I'm going to go with the probable cause statement instead of a manufactured statement said 3-4 months later. The evidence of December 15 is all that matters.

[dtbh]

One thing that bothers me about the resusitation excuse is that Nona was apparently murdered between 10:00 and 12:30, and Kevin "found her" at 6:30 pm, at least 6 hours later. I have only seen a few dead people (i.e. family who have died) and within a few minutes their color is gone and it is obvious they are dead. After 6 hours, wouldn't the blood be mostly or partly coagulated? And wouldn't the body be cold and off-color? It would be more than obvious that she was dead. I don't care how much I "loved" someone, I don't think I'd jump on their dead body and rub my hands thru the blood. That is just too bizarre. The defense would have us believe that K was "so distraught" to find his girlfriend dead that he threw himself on her, tried to resusitate her, yet speak so calmly to the 911 and also call the stepfather in what seems to me to be a rehearsed call for help. Wow!

[WhoDunIt]

Thursday, Dec. 22, 2005 - The Courier, Russellville, page 5

"911 Operator: Is she breathing at all ?

Kevin: No, No. She's cold. She's not breathing. She doesn't have a pulse, and I think she's dead.."


She was cold, no pulse, not breathing......nothing mentioned about CPR or trying to revive her. I would be curious to learn if the two witnesses at the scene actually observed him trying to administer CPR. As to rubbing his hands "over the blood to see how fresh it was", as stated in the Probable Cause, how would he have been able to determine the freshness of blood and why would it matter? You see someone you love lying in a pool of blood, and in those moments you wonder - how fresh is it ? In my opinion, initial statements made immediately following the murder will be the most telling.

[gentilben]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
This is all in my opinion:

So, someone decided to make an account to make statements that completely go against the stated facts of the case, and we're supposed to believe he's an actual investigator on the case?

No real investigator for this case will be posting on message boards, unless it's someone trying to blow smoke to sow doubt in people.

As previously posted by me: "(IMO) I am an investigator! (IMO) I have been investigating this case since December. (IMO) I have not posted on this board before...."

(IMO) Exactly where did I state that I was an investigator on this case (copper) if you can read, please do so. (IMO) I am an investigator. (IMO) I have been investigating this case since December. These are the only statements I have made, and they are true. My employer would not appreciate me saying anything more at this time. So. What is your problem? I don’t think any police are going to risk their job making any comment on this board. (IMO) I am sorry that you have never heard of the term “PI” but there are many PI’s in the State of AR, and I’m sorry you’ve never heard of the term “journalist” but there are several of us also, and yes, we all investigate cases such as this, searching for the truth. My statements earlier today are just that: the truth. I am not saying anything about the guilt or innocence of Kevin Jones, except to say any good American with normal intelligence (IMO) decent moral character and any standard of ethics, would keep a clear and open mind in the presumption of his innocence. He may or may not be guilty of this crime. I as well as lewis.m, are of the opinion that there are other “persons of interest,” which in no way have been exonerated of guilt in this matter (IMO). That is all I have said. This board would be more interesting and useful to readers and members if we could get open opinions on both sides of the issue. (IMO).

FDinLaw, when was the last time the police sat you down and grilled you for 4-6 hours asking you the same questions over and over and over and over? I have it from good information that Kevin never laid on anybody; how can you take what the prosecutor says as the truth? (IMO). If every probable cause statement was absolutely 100% true, would we even need the criminal justice system; the cops could just go pick them up and lock them away forever? (IMO)

[herlock h.]

[i]Originally If every probable cause statement was absolutely 100% true, would we even need the criminal justice system; the cops could just go pick them up and lock them away forever? (IMO) [/B] - gentilben

And the reverse would be true as well..... If every alleged criminal was alleged to be telling the truth - there would probably be no need to arrest anyone ever.

You are right gentilben, not everything coming from LE (or our government for that matter) is the truth. However, I would sooner take my chances with LE until they stand accused (and not by someone on a chat sight). I try to keep an open mind but again, read my above post - Kevin's behavior is odd (read suspicious).

Herlock

[beastieboy]

why would kevin have handed himself over to the police if he hadn't done anything wrong?

[jjlynn072]

Just how many investigators are on this case now?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by gentilben


FDinLaw, when was the last time the police sat you down and grilled you for 4-6 hours asking you the same questions over and over and over and over? I have it from good information that Kevin never laid on anybody; how can you take what the prosecutor says as the truth? (IMO). If every probable cause statement was absolutely 100% true, would we even need the criminal justice system; the cops could just go pick them up and lock them away forever? (IMO)

In your first post you went to great lengths regarding resuscitation. Now that your ideas have been ripped apart, you make this statement: "I have it from good information that Kevin never laid on anybody." If you believed that, why were you trying to convince us that Kevin was simply trying to resuscitate when he laid on the victim? Okay, IMO you’ve lost all credibility, but I’ll bite. . . Who is your source of “good information?” You obviously overlooked this, but Kevin’s lawyer has stated that Kevin tried to resuscitate, so if Kevin did not lay on the victim you are asking us to question more that the Probable Cause statement.

Though entertaining, it is exasperating that you and you buddies get on here with wild claims and DEMAND that the rest of believe you. If your looking for a gullible audience, go hang out on the pageant board! Most of us are well above the age of 19. If you want us to believe you, you need to be believable! Try backing up your statements with facts, siting your sources so that we can check them out, etc.

Ben, you may well be a journalist, but I wager that it’s for that dink paper over in Dover! (IMO)

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by beastieboy
why would kevin have handed himself over to the police if he hadn't done anything wrong?

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but when Kevin turned himself in it was NOT an admission of guilt but an act of compliance. When Kevin’s arrest warrant was issued his lawyer was contacted and Kevin was given a short period of time to turn himself in before his impending arrest.

[herlock h.]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but when Kevin turned himself in it was NOT an admission of guilt but an act of compliance. When Kevin’s arrest warrant was issued his lawyer was contacted and Kevin was given a short period of time to turn himself in before his impending arrest.

Oh - good point! I think you're right - but I don't have a link either.

Herlock

[oxfordwebster]

To forum veterans:

How often do you find people in threads popping in anonymously to claim they have insider info on a case, and that they are involved with it in some form? We've had three so far in this thread by my count, and it strikes me as odd.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by gentilben


I am an investigator. (IMO) I have been investigating this case since December. These are the only statements I have made, and they are true.


I have it from good information that Kevin never laid on anybody; how can you take what the prosecutor says as the truth? (IMO)


Two points here. If you are an investigator, then I guess we are all investigators. Many of us since December also. Point taken, although I don't introduce myself as "an investigator." Maybe I will from now on.

On the second point here. I bet you haven't asked Kevin whether he "laid on anybody." Your "good information" about that is not that good. It seems LE and also the paramedics would be more credible sources as well.

[Amy]

Originally posted by gentilben


snip.......

FDinLaw, when was the last time the police sat you down and grilled you for 4-6 hours asking you the same questions over and over and over and over? I have it from good information that Kevin never laid on anybody; how can you take what the prosecutor says as the truth? (IMO). If every probable cause statement was absolutely 100% true, would we even need the criminal justice system; the cops could just go pick them up and lock them away forever? (IMO)


Except the statement about laying on her body came from the initial contact--at the crime scene. Not after hours and hours of grilling. And confirmed by Whiteside---as written in the probable cause statement.

[Amy]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but when Kevin turned himself in it was NOT an admission of guilt but an act of compliance. When Kevin’s arrest warrant was issued his lawyer was contacted and Kevin was given a short period of time to turn himself in before his impending arrest.

I am not sure of the legalese, but this does seem to be a normal sequence of things, as I am sure I have read of others who also turn themselves in instead of waiting for someone to come put the cuffs on them in front of family or co workers, schoolmates, etc. And the majority (if not all) of them proclaim innocence.

I think, if I knew I was to be arrested, I'd much rather go to the LE than for the whole world to see them cuff me and lead me off (guity or innocent.)

[oxfordwebster]

Yeah... Kevin turned himself in, but it wasn't a confession. He just cooperated with the arrest warrant instead of them having to make a spectacle arresting him, which is something I certainly agree with. There's no point in grandstanding on an arrest if he's willing to walk in himself.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Amy



Except the statement about laying on her body came from the initial contact--at the crime scene. Not after hours and hours of grilling. And confirmed by Whiteside---as written in the probable cause statement.

It’s missed details like this that discredit those with “good information.”

[dtbh]

Originally posted by gentilben


I as well as lewis.m, are of the opinion that there are other “persons of interest,” which in no way have been exonerated of guilt in this matter (IMO). That is all I have said. This board would be more interesting and useful to readers and members if we could get open opinions on both sides of the issue. (IMO).

(IMO)

I would be very interested if gentilben and lewis.m (if they are, indeed, two different people) think WHO might be more viable suspects than Kevin. According to the probable cause--no rape, no robbery, no forced entry. Only Kevin's fingerprints on the murder weapon. The police interviewed something like 50 friends and/or acquaintances. They gave lie detector tests to several of them, including Kevin. If not Kevin--then WHO? Better find someone, you have until the trial in January. LOL

[2lakes]

Originally posted by dtbh



Two points here. If you are an investigator, then I guess we are all investigators. Many of us since December also. Point taken, although I don't introduce myself as "an investigator." Maybe I will from now on.



I started this thread. I'm the lead investigator. :D

[2lakes]

birdie1 & lewisM are still active members. Neither has been banned on this board nor has anyone else been banned as far as I know. LewisM's posts were removed or edited because he was claiming information without any links to back it up.

Coldwater is not going to ban anyone because they voice the opinion that Kevin is innocent. She will edit/delete posts if they claim evidence without having links to back it up.

I am open to discussing all angles of the case. I only have a problem when posters state that they are "investigators" on this case. If you are truly an investigator & have interviewed the suspect/neighbors and viewed the evidence etc. you have no business posting on a public message board. I still question the validity of all those who have made such claims. I also highly think that an investigator on this case would not waste his/her time on a public forum.

[ValleyGirl]

So, what's the scoop on Kevin's attorneys. I haven't heard of the man from Pine Bluff - Mr. Johnson and all that I have heard about Mr. Robbins(?) is that he is young. What are their histories? Have they tried other murder cases.

Did anyone else read the Motion for Discovery? I've seen it and I was just curious if it was the standard MfD? Also, I've seen where phone records were subpoenaed for one # for the dates of Dec. 9 - Dec. 18, 2005.

Sorry to get off topic about the "investigators" but I had to change the subject... It just gets old! You'd think if these "good Americans" had a legitimate story to tell they would be screaming it from the rooftops! :patriot:

[2lakes]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl

Did anyone else read the Motion for Discovery? I've seen it and I was just curious if it was the standard MfD? Also, I've seen where phone records were subpoenaed for one # for the dates of Dec. 9 - Dec. 18, 2005.

:patriot:

Valleygirl - Can you please post the Motion for Discovery

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by 2lakes
Valleygirl - Can you please post the Motion for Discovery Seconded... we really need it posted so that everyone can discuss it equally.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Sorry to get off topic about the "investigators" but I had to change the subject... It just gets old! You'd think if these "good Americans" had a legitimate story to tell they would be screaming it from the rooftops! :patriot:

I agree! :hat:

I like the change of subject! Please post the Motion for Discovery!

[gentilben]

Originally posted by 2lakes


I started this thread. I'm the lead investigator. :D

(IMO) 2Lakes: now all you have to do is become legal. Fees for a license with the State of AR to be a (IMO) Class A PI is: $450.00, original fee. This will allow yooze to hire other PI's to work for you. But if you want to go it alone, it will only cost you $225.00, (IMO) Class D, PI, 1 person. And you have to have worked under a licensed PI for 2 years before you can become licensed yourself. (IMO) ?

[ValleyGirl]

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF POPE COUNTY, ARKANSAS
CRIMINAL DIVISION
STATE OF ARKANSAS
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V. CASE Nft CR4006491
KEVIN JONES ISFENDANT .
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MOTION FOR DISCOVERY
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The defendant, by and through B. Kenneth Johnson, Attorney at Law, oves foascotvery pursuant to the Arkansas Rules of Criminal Procedure and the due process and fair trial provisions
of the Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitutions of the United States and Art. 2, § 8 & 10 of the Constitution of the State of Arkansas whether the information sought is in the possession of the Prosecuting Attorney, ACIC, NCIC, Arkansas State Crime Lab, a Drug Task Force, or any other police or law enforcement agency (Ark. K. Crim, P. 17.3). Accordingly, the State should provide the following:
1. The names and addresses of persons whom the state intends to call as witnesses at any bearing or trial sufficiently in advance of that hearing or trial to permit preparation. Ark. K Crim. P. 17.1(a)(i).
2. Any written or recorded statements or the substance of any oral statements made by defendant or a codefendant or a potential codefendant or any one given legal or de facto immunity to provide information or testimony. Ark, K. Crim. P. 17.1(a)(ii). This includes statements intended to be used as admissions. A.R.E. 801(d),
3. Any reports or statements of experts in this case, including the results of any physical or mental examinations, scientific tests, experiments, or comparisons. Ark. K. Crim. P. 17.1 (a)(iv).
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4, Any books, papers, documents, computer records, photograph, videotapes, or tangible objects, including any recreations, whether computer generated animations or whatever, which the state intends to use at any hearing or trial in this case or which were obtained from or belong to the defendant. Ark. R. Crim. P. l7l(a)(v).
5. Further, the state should provide similar disclosure of anything that it does not intend use at any hearing or trial in this case because its non-use indicates a great potential that it is Brady material. See Brady and its progeny, cited infra,
(a) Defendant specificalLy requests production of the notes of the officers from which reports in the file were produced. Those notes commonly include infonnation about leads that did not pan out and people talked to that may have known something else.
(b) The State must make a specific request for production of these notes from the officers because it will not be in an “open file,” and a discovery response that merely directs defense counsel to come and copy their file does not comply with this request.
6. Any record of any person who may be called as a witness at any stage of this proceeding whether presently known or capable of being ascertained of prior:
(a) convictions, by an ACIC or NCIC check, or otherwise. Ark. R. Crhu. P 17. l(a)(vij.
(b) juvenile adjudications that would be admissible for impeachment if committed by an adult. A.R.E. 609(d).
7. Any inducements, promises of leniency, consideration (fmancial or otherwise) or anything else that is potential impeachment evidence against a confidential informant or any other
2
witness, Ark. R. Crim. P. 17.1(b)(ili), (d); Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963); Kyles v. Whitley, 514 U.S. 419 (1995); Strickler v. Greene, 527 U.S. 263 (1999); Banks v. Dretke, 124 S. Ct. 1256 (2004); Arkansas Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 3.8(d), including any written or oral agreements or any documentary evidence concerning an informant or “eooperating individual” that:
(a) provides for leniency, protection from arrest, prosecution, or asset forfeiture, sentencing recommendations, or anything of the kind from any past, present, or future criminal acts;
(b) provides for payment of anything of value for his or her services including proof of payment, iRS 1099s for their payments, and the informants tax returns;
(c) proof or summaries of the payments to the informant;
(ci) any psychiatric or drug rehabilitation history of informants,
8. The relationship between the state and any witness the state will call as a witness; e.g., employee of any governmental entity, informant status, witness in this or another case, a defendant or former defendant in a criminal case in municipal, circuit, or federal court, Ark. R. Crim. P. 17.1 (b)(iii).
9. Whether there has been any electronic (including audio, video, or digital) surveillance or recording of conversations or actions of the defendant (including surreptitious recordings of defendant while in a police interview room or on the street), statements from his or her premises, copying of &niail or similar electronic transmissions, consented to by one party to the conversation or not; Ark. R. Crim. P. l7.l(b)(ii); along with a description of the recordings and copies of any transcripts, whether these are directly based on this charge or surveillance preceding defendant’s arrest.
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[ValleyGirl]

10. As toy searches and seizures:
(a) Disclose and permit inspection, copying, or photocopying of documents of any material or computer or computer-like memory, disks, or hard drives concerning any searches and seizures of the defendant or his or her property or statements that he or she allegedly made. Ark. R. Crim. P. 17,1(c). Copying of computer disks and hard drives requires copying “invisible” files that are not visible on the directory but which are still present on disks.
(b) If a search warrant was relied upon, provide a copy of: (1) the warrant, (ii) all materials used to obtain the warrant, and (iii) the inventory.
(e) If inventory search may be relied on as a justification for the search, please provide the police department’s policy on conducting inventory searches, because it is the stat&s burden to justify the search.
(d) My video or audio of the occurrence (see ¶ 9, supra).
11. As to impeachment (“Brady”) evidence:
(a) Any other evidence or thing in the knowledge of, possession, or control of the state (Ark. R. Crim. P. 17,3) or its agents which tends to negate the guilt of the defendant as to the offense charged (including anything which tends to impeach a state’s witness) or would tend to reduce the punishment for the offense. Ark. R. Crim. P. 17.1(d); Brady “. Maryland, supra; Kyles v. W’hitley, supra; Strickler v. Greene, supra; Banh v. Dretke, supra; Arkansas Rules of Professional Conduct Rule 3.8(d).
(b) Impeachment evidence includes statements of witnesses where they are even slightly inconsistent ip their versions of events from one statement to the next (oral statement
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to written; two written statements; etc.) or that they were given consideration or a reward. Strickler v. Greene, supra; Kyles v. Whitley, 514 U.S. at 452 (even if statements of not all witnesses are impeachable); Banks v. Dretke, supra (withheld information about reward to witness was impeachment material and required reversal of conviction); United States v. Sudikoff 36 F. Supp. 2d 1196 (CD. Cal. 1999).
(c) This includes any evidence that anyone else was at one time considered a suspect in this case. Fairchild v. Lockhar4 PB-C43472 (E.D.Arkj.
(d) The prosecuting attorney has a duty to inquire of the police to be certain that all potentially discoverable “Brady” material has been discovered, provided to the prosecutor by the police, and disclosed. Kyles, 514 U.S. at 43738 (Brady includes material known by the police and not prosecutor; “the individual prosecutor has a duty to learn of any favorable evidence known to others acting an the government’s behalf in this case, including the police”). An “open file” does not relieve the state of its obligation to specifically disclose impeachment material. Kyles v. Whitley, supra; Banks v. Dre:ke, supra.
(e) Negative evidence; e.g., as the result of any type of scientific test that failed to connect the defendant to the crime such as absence of fingerprints, physical, or serological evidence or presence of such evidence of another. Patler v. Slayton, 503 F.2d 472 (4th Cit 1974).
(f) The fact that a witness has testified falsely even in an unrelated case. United States v. Masri, 547 F.2d 932 (5th Cir, 1977).
12. Any 404(b) evidence; A.R.E. 404(b); which the state intends to or may use against the defendant,
5 13. Any evidence which could be used in the punishment phase against the defendant under Ark. Code Ann. § 16-97-103.
14, While it goes without saying that parties have a continuing duty to disclose material that comes into the party’s hands after a previous disclosure (Ark, R. Crim. P. 19.2), defendant reasserts this right.
Respectfully Submitted,
KEVIN JONES
BY: i 2
KENNETH JOHtON - 69039
Attorney at Law
Post Office Box 885
Monticello, AR 71657
(870) 460-9500
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
I, B. Kenneth Johnson, do hereby certifS’ that a true and correct copy of the above and foregoing MOTION has been served upon:
David Gibbons
Prosecuting Attorney
P.O. Box 3080
Russellville, AR 72811
by United States mail, postage pre-paid, on this _____ day of 2006.
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B. Kenneth J6’n

[ValleyGirl]

Please forgive any spelling errors words. Microsoft Imaging sometimes gets a little off.

[oxfordwebster]

That seemed like a pretty normal legal document to me.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
Please forgive any spelling errors words. Microsoft Imaging sometimes gets a little off.

Thank you for posting ValleyGirl.

[janetlynn]

When Kevin does go to trial. He has to BE PROVEN GUILTY, if ONE PERSON THINKS (that someone else came in looking for drugs or something and Nona was caught at home and was killed), Kevin will be set free. Even if he later admits that he did do it, he can not be re-tried for her murder.

[2lakes]

Will the trial be held in Pope County? I was wondering since the trial is scheduled over a year after her murder. It would seem like most of the area would know about it (since not too many murders have taken place in Russellville) & that most would have formed an opinion. Will Kevin's attorney motion that the trial be moved to a neighboring county?

[2lakes]

Originally posted by gentilben


Sorry 2Lakes, (IMO) I got ahead of myself. We need to wait 4-5 weeks till the LE make their arrest, then you can re-read the little bit I wrote this afternoon. (IMO) I didn't mean to imply that your an anti-boyfriend grrrl/boy/whatever. (IMO). And I am glad to see that you posted this bit about the latest unfortunate death of another young co-ed. And you are probably right, I need to leave you guys to yourselves. (IMO) Oh, and about the country music, I just found my Iggy Pop, Raw Power. Till later.

Ben.

You are right, it is unfortunate that another young woman has been taken from her family and her future. I hope the person responsible is aprehended soon. One of the articles said that "police don't know at this point if Ingram was acquainted with her killer. He said he wished he could put apartment residents' minds at ease about the murder, but police don't have that information." She was dropped off at midnight by her boyfriend and the time of death has been estimated between 12 - 3 am.

Ben, I enjoy your sense of humor and we can agree to disagree on some angles. Hope you continue to share your view. By the way, if I were you, I wouldn't listen to the Iggy Pop, Raw Power for 8 hours straight!!!

[FDInLaw]

Yes, the trial is set to be held in Pope county. I wonder if it may actually be in the favor of the defense to have it there. IMO, there seems to be a lot of support for Kevin Jones (mind you, most of it comes from under-aged kids that won't be considered for the jury anyhow). That said, I am afraid that it will end up being moved, and will in turn delay the legal process.

[FDInLaw]

What happened to all the new faces that were going to read up on Nona's case and (hopefully) join in? I was looking forward to some new perspectives. Was there a break in another case? :seeya:

[gentilben]

Originally posted by janetlynn
When Kevin does go to trial. He has to BE PROVEN GUILTY, if ONE PERSON THINKS (that someone else came in looking for drugs or something and Nona was caught at home and was killed), Kevin will be set free. Even if he later admits that he did do it, he can not be re-tried for her murder.

JanetLynn, exactly when did AR change its law so that one juror can arrange an acquittal? (IMO) All one unconvinced juror can do is hang the trial up. (IMO). Which is called a "hung jury" and the prosecutor can come back and re-try Kevin in such an event. (IMO). And if Kevin was to admit doing it, then he'd be convicted before sun-down. (IMO) You see, for an acquittal/conviction, all twelve jurors used to have to agree unanimously. So please, give us the date that the law changed. We've been thinking about moving to New Zealand, and if this is the case, we need to book our tickets.

After 18 years in jail, Mr. Drew Whitley, will be freed based on DNA evidence; he convinced a judge that he was not the masked killer. I mention this because it makes me wonder what the prosecution's cheerleaders think about innocent men serving 18 years of their life in prison. I was hoping that you cheerleaders might cast some light on this. (IMO) I mean, do the prosecution's cheerleaders feel bad when they cheer an innocent man to a life-sentence? (IMO) Or just like cheerleaders, in a football game, they are just there to cheer and that's about as far as their responsibility goes. (IMO). Which brings me to another wee point. I started wondering about yesterday, after reading "she was naked because she was changing clothes, or about to take a shower," and no one mentioned that she may have been naked for a sexual encounter. (IMO) When based upon my 30 or 40 years experience in women getting naked in the middle of the day, 90% of the time it was for a sexual encounter. (IMO) Of course, this is assuming she got naked in the presence of the killer. (IMO) I do not mean, to suggest that Nona might have been promiscuous, but then, it is a possibility. (IMO) OK, here is my point, lets say there is something in my above statement about her being nude at noon. Is it likely, that a girl would get nude at noon to have sex with a boy she was going home to be around, for the next several weeks; or is it more likely that a girl would get nude at noon with a boy she wasn't likely to see for the next several weeks over the holidays? (IMO) Which leads me to another big question we have. Why on earth would Kevin drive to Russellville and smack in a girl's head then rush back to his folk's place when he knew she was coming down for the next several weeks and he could've picked a better time to smack in her head. No one drives to a "crime of passion." (IMO). If you drive somewhere and kill somebody, doesn't that sound more like an assassination, or premeditation? There is a lead up to a crime of passion, with yelling and screaming and things breaking.

All I'm saying here is there is a lot about this case that doesn't add up. I know there is lots more evidence that has not been posted, and certainly won't be. (IMO)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by gentilben


No one drives to a "crime of passion." (IMO). If you drive somewhere and kill somebody, doesn't that sound more like an assassination, or premeditation?


You make a good point. There are several possibilities. As you suggest, it could have been premeditated. There hasn't been an official word on motive yet - a huge chunk in the puzzle in my mind. You argue that Kevin could have picked a better time to smash her up-side the head - but isn't the best time when it's easier to pin it on someone else? There are a lot of angles and details we don't know. Like always, I hope they convict the right person.

[birdie1]

I meant to that Lewis does not KNOW who gentle is

[ValleyGirl]

Why is Kevin's camp not doing more damage control?
It's probably beneficial that they don't speak but I'm just curious. What are the results of the lie detector tests - in your opinion?
I have heard that he failed them, of course that is just talk because nothing has been printed.

I have also heard that there were two suspects. One a creepy kid that bothered Nona @ Tech and the other who drove the Explorer.

What would be the benefit of FOI-ing the City of Russellville? I would but what are we looking for? Anything specific?

[ValleyGirl]

Is this the bill you referred to...



16-85-301. Bill of particulars.

(a) The bill of particulars required by law in criminal cases shall state the action relied upon by the state in sufficient detail as required by an indictment prior to March 1, 1937, that is, with sufficient certainty to apprise the defendant of the specific crime with which charged, in order to enable him or her to prepare his or her defense.
(b) A supplemental bill of particulars may be required upon order of the trial court if the bill of particulars filed by the prosecuting attorney is not sufficiently definite to apprise the defendant of the specific crime with which he or she is charged.

(c) When a bill of particulars is filed with the clerk, a copy of it shall be furnished to the defendant upon his or her request.


History. Acts 1937, No. 160, §§ 4, 5; Pope's Dig., §§ 3796, 3797; A.S.A. 1947, §§ 43-804, 43-805.

[oxfordwebster]

You can drive to a crime of passion. If you can't see how that's possible, then you aren't an investigator.

(Hint: Kevin could have gone there, and while there, the spark that caused the murder happened. This doesn't take a genius to figure out.)

[oxfordwebster]

Oh, yeah... it'd be great if birdie1 could support his comments with a link to back himself up. This speculation from anonymous "investigators" and their "friends" is getting old and adds nothing to the discussion.

[birdie1]

No. That Bill Of Particulars is no longer required. It was to be filed by the State in criminal cases. Now the state files a probable cause statement. A Bill Of Particulars can be found in the Arkansas Court rules, which supercede the Ark. statutes.

What links do you want? To a web site? Or to some other Board where you can "verify" what I'm saying?? You can't be serious! I have told you how to verify what I have said and what Lewis said. FILE AN FOI WITH THE CITY OF RUSSELLVILLE!!!

That should be enough! Lewis was a PAID consultant to RPD!! and other PDs around the state. CHECK IT OUT!!! But until you do, you should refain from inferring that anyone lying or blowing smoke. Lewis knows what hes talking about. CHECK HIM OUT PLEASE!!!!!!

[birdie1]

An FOI request would show every paid consultant to each city department. They are paid with public funds, the city cannot keep that information public. The city would provide the requesting party with names of those to which they paid consulting fees, and during what period of time.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
What happened to all the new faces that were going to read up on Nona's case and (hopefully) join in? I was looking forward to some new perspectives.

And here I thought there would be a lull in posts. I like hearing from "new faces" birdie and gentilben. It gives me some food for thought. I don't agree with some of what they say, but other things are worth thinking about.

[FDInLaw]

"Lewis says that KJ's alibi is very good" quote from Birdie 1

This has come up several times, if KJ's alibi is so good, who was he with and why wasn't he up front with the police about it? What is KJ hiding? Surely you don't expect us to believe that the police ignored Kevin's "good" alibi, and his statements that he touched and broke the lamp, and have intentionally pinned Nona’s murder on him despite good evidence that would suggest otherwise? There is no way that the LE could get away with what you suggest. For one, his MOTHER was at the scene of the crime. If what you say is true, where is Kevin’s mom? If I were her, nothing would keep me from publicly railing on the police if there is any truth to what you say. It has been a month since the arrest, and Kevin’s family has remained silent and has offered no statements in his defense.

[oxfordwebster]

Anyone can come here and post anonymously any information they want, no matter what its truth-value is. If someone actually had some kind of amazing, case-turning truth about this case, they will take it either to the police or to the media; perhaps some other place where it will actually do some good. Actual investigators would not waste their time sowing information in a discussion thread on the internet.

Now, let us examine this: Who would be interested in sowing information into a thread such as this? I can think of at least two types of people.

1) Random, anonymous people on the internet who like to have fun on message boards by deliberately derailing discussions with troll material or misinformation. This is extremely common on the internet.

2) People with connections to the accused, with an interest in his verdict being anything other than guilty. Their only avenue of sending out "information" is through word of mouth or anonymous messages on the internet. Why? Because if they actually gave information to the media, they could be in trouble because of possible slander/libel issues.

Now, I am sorry that I cannot just believe the anonymous people with mysterious connections to this case, but it is only because of how communication in this digital medium works. Information spread through the internet by anonymous people should be treated with an entire mound of salt.

I hope I am not the only one who feels this way.

Edit: I need to add that I checked out Russellville's population. "As of the 2000 census, the city had a total population of 23,682." You know that in a town that small, people know that rumors fly easily.

[FDInLaw]

I AGREE WITH YOU, OXFORDWEBSTER! :seeya:

[WhoDunIt]

I have trouble understanding why an innocent person feels it necessary to lie or mislead investigators, as mentioned in the Probable Cause statement, particularly relating to the time-line. He said he tried to reach Nona around 11 or 12 that day but phone records discounted that, and it was actually much later. He said he spoke with a person at the gas station at noon; it was stated in the P.C. statement this didn't happen until 1:00; again, discounted. Since her time of death had not been released, I fiind it puzzling why the time discrepancies are so close to the time of death indicated in the P.C. statement. He wasn't concerned with the time from 1:00 until 6:00 p.m. or so when she was found, and for all he knew, she could have been killed at 3:00 or 4:00, or any other time inbetween. If someone you love has been murdered, you want nothing more than to find the murderer; and that can only be done by providing investigators with the truth. IMO an innocent person would have no reason to make statements to police that would later prove to be false, and could actually hinder the investigation. All of the above, is just my opinion.

[ValleyGirl]

So who is going to file the FOI? What do you ask for to file this and what office do you go to? What is the procedure for filing an FOI? I think that someone should file one so that we can see what these people keep bringing up.

I think that we should check this out so that we can have more info to discuss. I guess I can be the guinea pig if no one else offers. :shrug:

I appreciate the opinions of birdie. It keeps people interested in the case and does shed some light on others thoughts.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
So who is going to file the FOI? What do you ask for to file this and what office do you go to? What is the procedure for filing an FOI? I think that someone should file one so that we can see what these people keep bringing up.


Go for it, Valley Girl! I don't know if you'd start at the police station or at city hall. Surely, they would have someone in charge of FOI requests and they could tell you the procedure. I would guess it'd just be a short letter requesting the information and mention "FOI" request in that short letter.

[oxfordwebster]

I hate to break this to everyone, but you can't get details of ongoing investigations with the FOI Act. If that were true, then the media would be publishing the details of every criminal investigation for stories.

IMO, he knows you can't get the FOI request because the information is exempt.

Go to the Arkansas attorney general's page here:

http://www.ag.state.ar.us/news/foia.htm

They have all of the information you need on this, and also a handy Powerpoint presentation that says a bit of it more plainly.

[2lakes]

Valleygirl, are you in Russellville? If so, you go girl! We're counting on you to get the FOI! I actually called the Russellville police when birdie initially posted about lewis being a paid consultant & that we should check it out. The day I called, I was transferred to the office of the lead detective (forgot his name) and he was out of the office for several days. I never did call him back.

[ValleyGirl]

Yes, I am in, as we call it here "RussVegas" LOL. I will work on the details Monday. The lead det. is Mark Frost. It does stand to reason that an FOI can't be done while a case is pending. I dunno - we'll see!

[gentilben]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
You can drive to a crime of passion. If you can't see how that's possible, then you aren't an investigator.

(Hint: Kevin could have gone there, and while there, the spark that caused the murder happened. This doesn't take a genius to figure out.)

Hey Oxford, what I meant to convey was that it is extremely unlikely that you could race from your house, to a crime of passion, clean up your tracks and race back home in a couple hours time. (IMO) I was wondering, where you're coming from, saying I have nothing to add to this discussion, when the most interesting comment I've read of yours is your name: oxfordwebster. (IMO) Are you like, a foreigner? (IMO) Oh, wow, I'm sorry Oxford, I get it now! Your like, a walking dictionary. (IMO) Pretty cool. Could you like use some of those big words in your next post? (IMO).

If anybody has heard anything about these clothes she wasn't wearing, please speak up. (IMO)

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by gentilben
Hey Oxford, what I meant to convey was that it is extremely unlikely that you could race from your house, to a crime of passion, clean up your tracks and race back home in a couple hours time.
I'd say it was a rush job, considering the holes in his story, lies to the police, and the FBI lab assistance which agreed that his actions are consistent with someone trying to cover up a scene.

[mgrace]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
If what you say is true, where is Kevin’s mom? If I were her, nothing would keep me from publicly railing on the police if there is any truth to what you say. It has been a month since the arrest, and Kevin’s family has remained silent and has offered no statements in his defense.

I must say I haven't been posting lately, due to work (and as such is a choice between sleep and this board...), and I have missed some interesting stuff here. However, I have to say in RE to the above, that any attorney worth their salt would tell the family to keep their mouth shut about anything to do with the case. At this point, the family has no say in making statements in his defense; that is his attorney(s) job. KJones has already said enough, as you all have reiterated here; he is not a rocket surgeon. Yea, he might have had good grades in school, but so did my ex-stepmom, and she's no rocket surgeon.

While we're on the point of K.Jones' college/schooling experience, I am confused, as I was under the impression that he was this bigtime college kid at UofA, but then I've learned he went for one semester up there. Look, I for one, have first hand knowledge that big time college kids don't go one semester and come home to mommy and daddy. Does anyone know why he came home after one semester? Not the way it works, amigos.

I have noticed in my reading here lately that this gentilben guy got some interesting stuff to say. I am curious about whether Birdie is for real or not. Seems to know a lot about the law; but most golfers I know can't shut up about golf, and he's not said a word about golf. This makes me wonder if he's really on the course everyday. Do you all think this oxfordwebster may have been embedded on this board, to just bore us all to death? Hey, IMO.

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by mgrace Does anyone know why he came home after one semester? Not the way it works, amigos.

...

Do you all think this oxfordwebster may have been embedded on this board, to just bore us all to death? Hey, IMO.
To be fair, it sounds like Kevin went to school in Fayetteville for this previous fall semester, and obviously didn't go back because of Nona's murder.

As for your other question, I really don't see why that was warranted. This isn't entertainment. Someone lost their life.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster
I hate to break this to everyone, but you can't get details of ongoing investigations with the FOI Act. If that were true, then the media would be publishing the details of every criminal investigation for stories.

IMO, he knows you can't get the FOI request because the information is exempt.


You're probably right about that--i.e. can't get details of ongoing investigations....! I'm not sure if finding out that Lewis was a "consultant" would tell us anything. Why would he have the "inside scoop" to this case anyway, even as a "consultant"? I think Russellville has enough financial problems, that it's hard enough to pay the regular detectives, let alone paying consultants. The cops have pulled in the FBI and state people on this already. But, maybe Valley Girl can find something out.

[WhoDunIt]

As I understand it, KJ went to Arkansas Tech in Russellville (where Nona attended) in the fall following high school graduation, remained there for one year, and then transferred to the UofA. He had only been at the UofA for a few months and following Nona's murder, did not return.

[Lobsters]

Yeah, you're not gonna get jack sprat with regards to information during an ongoing investigation. FOI or not.

Especially here in Arkansas. I don't know how the cops are in Russellville, but in my experience (WM3 case as an example) it's difficult at best to get FOI documents even in a case that has been tried, etc.

[dtbh]

One rumor going around (if it is a rumor) is that Kevin had gotten a girl in Fayetteville pregnant and that his mom paid for the abortion (w/o his dad's knowledge). I heard this from two different sources. Has anybody heard this or can confirm this? It might explain any ongoing arguments between him and Nona.

[WhoDunIt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dtbh
[B]One rumor going around (if it is a rumor) is that Kevin had gotten a girl in Fayetteville pregnant and that his mom paid for the abortion (w/o his dad's knowledge).
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The rumors about this case have been spinning out of control since the beginning. Its hard to know what to believe. One thing is for sure - there is so much more to this story. I hope the truth comes out.

[gentilben]

OK. Who is lying here? (IMO)

The grounds for issuing a warrant and/or charging document, accompanied by an information, et al, in order to charge someone (herein, Kevin) with a crime, it must appear there is "reasonable cause" to believe an offense has been committed and the person committed it. Ark.R.Crim.Pro. Rule 7.1.

Now, the probable cause statement cited that Kevin told them he did not touch the broken lamp. Lewis.m., via Birdie, stated that Kevin admitted he touched and broke the lamp. (IMO) If, Kevin had not gone to Nona's apartment, with ma and friend in tow, and found Nona dead, would he have been charged with her "homicide?" (IMO) Because, the strongest "reasonable cause" the LE herein, has is his bloody fingerprint on said lamp, and his "contamination of the scene." (IMO) If, Kevin had not gone to Nona's apartment, with ma and friend in tow, where is the "reasonable cause?" (IMO)

Example: Nona’s family member/friend/neighbor had found the body, and left bloody fingerprints everywhere, this would have led to Kevin being charged? (IMO) I would like to remind you all of my recent experience finding my old friend in a pool of blood dead on the floor. (IMO) I cannot think about Nona's murder without having flashes of that scene I walked in on. And I cannot determine exactly what fractured my friend's skull, since, she remembers nothing for several days before or after this injury. I can state: that I did not know how long she had been lying there before my arrival, and I do know that I got down on my knees, reached over her, supporting myself with my hands on the floor and so within 2 seconds had blood all over my hands and my clothing. She could've been cold and beyond reviving. Thank God, this was not the case.
Also, I have been googling up cases where innocent people served time in prison for murders they did not commit. (IMO) And in most of these cases, the LE lied or admitted evidence that would've prevented this miscarriage of justice. (IMO) I've read here that the police cannot or will not do such things and submit y'all should change your language to "should not." (IMO) Since, there are thousands of pages of evidence in hundreds of cases saying they can and will. (IMO)

I just re-read the Probable Cause Statement, and therein, I’ve noticed several inconsistencies and several facts that I have a problem with. (IMO). First, it states that there was a “bloody handprint” on the lightbulb, NOT the base of the lamp, which was alleged to be the “murder weapon.” (IMO). However, in a Russellville Courier newspaper article, it stated clearly, there was a bloody fingerprint on the lamp base and the light bulb. Second, the Affiant stated that he determined there were only three (3) keys to Nona’s apartment: Kevin’s, Nona’s and Nona’s mom. Now, this bothers me, because how could he know this? (IMO) I mean, if he subpoened every hardware/Wal-Mart store’s key making records, he still couldn’t have discovered there were only three keys in existence to her apartment. (IMO) How did he determine she had not given out 500 keys to her apartment? (IMO) Third, this “condom wrapper.” The PC statement, did not state there were any fingerprints on same. It also doesn’t state that the victim was a virgin, had never had sex, hadn’t had sex that day, hadn’t had sex within twenty minutes of being killed. (IMO) But you would think that if the autopsy showed this, it would definitely support their case; it only says she was not “sexually assaulted.” We assume, meaning, tears, bruising, contusions, etc. (IMO) We can only assume that someone who had sex with a girl, then killed her, would take the condom and its contents, with them. (IMO) Also, the PC statement says Kevin Jones was her boyfriend; not one of many boyfriends; although, there is evidence that Kevin was one of many. (IMO) Of course, the LE is leaving out these vital facts to protect Nona’s memory, and it’s just an accident that same seems to work in the state’s favor. (IMO)

My argument here is not Kevin Jones’ is innocent. (IMO) Nor, could he not be proven to have committed this awful crime, and not that Nona did anything wrong, or immoral in any way; however, it appears to me that from the beginning, conclusions were made based on very thin evidence, and the police may have just stepped over the facts of what really happened. (IMO) I have no problem with Kevin being charged; I have a problem with everyone else, other persons of interest, being ruled out almost immediately. (IMO). Even though, the prosecutor stated the reason it took so long to charge/arrest anyone, was because there was more than one person who could’ve killed her. (IMO) I just can’t reveal my source there, so you guys have a field day with that one. (IMO)

Hey Oxford, you keep saying I’m not an investigator. Why? Could you please state your source? (IMO)

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by gentilben
Hey Oxford, you keep saying I’m not an investigator. Why? Could you please state your source? (IMO)
Considering that you can't source any of your statements, I'm just going to laugh at that one.

You clearly have no problem with using things said by anonymous people claiming to be investigators as evidence, and you also claim to have inside information.

Well, maybe I have inside information too. Maybe every single person here has inside information. It's the internet. Anyone can pretend to have "inside information."

Substantiate your claims, and maybe you, and the other anonymous posters, will be taken seriously.

[gentilben]

I started writing here for two reasons. One, I think this case has been poorely investigated from second-one. (IMO) I will again, quote Gibbons; he said "the police muddled this one but good, when they said there was only one person of interest on the 23rd day of December." Now, my source is Mr. Gibbons. What I can't tell you is who he said this to, because they asked me not to mention this to anyone. (IMO). Yea, I'm mentioning this to everyone, which brings me to the second reason I'm on this board, which is: I drink too much.

On or about, the 20th day of March, Mr. Gibbons stated that there was more than one person still seriously being looked at, and he had just gotten back from Washington D.C., checking out FBI crime lab evidence. (IMO). So, Oxford, my concern here is, was Kevin charged because the evidence shows he did the crime? (IMO) or, because the evidence shows he was at the scene, at least after the event and political pressure was such that someone had to be charged? (IMO) If the latter is the case, just possibly there was political pressure not to charge another person of interest, which left only Kevin. (IMO)

My point being here, we don't care if you or any other member here, believes a word I have written. What I was hoping was to open up this site and find that something we had said had encouraged someone, anyone, to post a bit of information that we, or any other investigator did not have at the time. (IMO) As you can see, from reading the message boards, all I get is your comments about anonymous people on the net. (IMO) I will continue to read in hopes that someone out there that knows something, might just write it down here. (IMO)

[oxfordwebster]

Source your Gibbons quotations, so everybody can verify that what you are saying is true.

If you can't, then I don't know what to tell you. I could start saying that I have information that Gibbons said exactly the opposite of what you stated, and it has the same weight to it.

That's my main problem with this. There's an obviously deliberate attempt to sway opinion in another direction on this, without it being backed up.

[WhoDunIt]

The Probable Cause statement contains only small bits of information and/or evidence. There is much more to be revealed, information I doubt any of us on this board are privy to. In the minutes and hours immediately following the discovery of Nona's body KJ gave info to investigators that turned out to be false, re the time of calls to Nona, when he arrived at the station, who he talked to and at what time, things that didn't add up. These are Red Flags to investigators and does nothing to support Kevin's claim of innocence. Lying to the police in a murder investigation doesn't look good, especially when the one you say you love, is the victim.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by gentilben
OK. Who is lying here? (IMO)


I have no problem with Kevin being charged; I have a problem with everyone else, other persons of interest, being ruled out almost immediately.

I don't understand why you say everyone else was ruled out "almost immediately." Actually, there were probably a couple other suspects that were initially higher on the list than Kevin, but they checked out (I guess they had alibis, whereas Kevin's alibis didn't check out). The cops questioned something like 50 people--and gave lie detector tests to several of them. So, why do you think they were ruled out "almost immediately"? I don't understand your statement.

[janetlynn]

It is always the same OJ - Peterson-Ect- The FBI and the cops just want to frame them with the murder. Like the FBI and cops have so much to gain from framing everyone. If they framed every Tom, Dick and Harry, then why are there so many
un-solved murders?

[Amy]

When I think of "framed", I think of, someone commits a crime and makes it look like someone else did it.

Now, what in the world have Nicole Brown, Laci Peterson, and Nona Dirksmeyer ever done to the police or any other law agency that they would need to be killed? And, if the targets are guys they are "framing" why in the world would they choose these innocent bystanders to kill just to frame someone? Find some crime where innocent women are not killed to frame them with!!!

Now, OJ was famous, but I still don't see why LE, FBI, CIA or whomever would want to frame him for murder, and Scott Peterson and Kevin Jones surely aren't such important personages in the world for them to finger.

Nope, framing these dudes just doesn't add up in the scheme of things. IMO

[dtbh]

Amy, I think janetlynn was being sarcastic.

[Amy]

I know she was....my post was in referemce to the ones who really do think the law is framing these dudes....and there are several out there who certainly post like they think that!!!!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Amy
I know she was....my post was in referemce to the ones who really do think the law is framing these dudes....and there are several out there who certainly post like they think that!!!!

Amy, I don’t think anyone inferred LE murdered Nona to frame Kevin (if they have I’m with you - they are totally nuts). I think the point being made is that LE is pinning Nona’s murder on Kevin prematurely. There is quite a difference between murder and being lazy and spending too much time at the local donut shop. That said, and I’ve already said this before, Kevin Jones does not strike me as someone the police would chose to “pin it on.” Wouldn’t it be easier to pick some homeless/transient mental case, or a college kid from out of town? Kevin Jones is an intelligent white kid with no previous record. His family is well-established and obviously not with out the social political and financial means to go to any length to prove his innocents. IMO, Kevin Jones is the type of person that the LE would “dot their i’s and cross their t’s” before arresting. If there is the level of negligence in this case that some infer, Kevin will walk IMO. However, I personally don’t think that is the case.

[jjlynn072]

I have no evidence and no facts to report. I am not a PI. I am not going to claim to have inside information. However, I do have questions for the posters with all of this information.

1. If Kevin touched the lamp and left a bloddy finger print or two, why? He watches all the "crime shows" and knows not to touch anything right? Was it in his way? Was he cleaning the place up? This really bothers me.

2. When Kevin rubbed his hands over the blood to see if it was dry was it? If it was, how did he get a bloody finger print on the lamp? I am sure the crime lab can tell how old the blood was on the lamp? If the blood was dry would it still be able to leave a print good enough on the lamp and the balb to be lifted?

3. Why touch the light bald?

MOO

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by janetlynn
It is always the same OJ - Peterson-Ect- The FBI and the cops just want to frame them with the murder. Like the FBI and cops have so much to gain from framing everyone. If they framed every Tom, Dick and Harry, then why are there so many
un-solved murders?

Hi Janet, I agree!!!

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by jjlynn072

3. Why touch the light bald?

MOO [/B]

Do you have issues with hair loss or those with it? What does "light bald" have to do with this case?

(he, he. I make more than my fair share of typos, but this one was just too much fun to pass up) ;)

[WhoDunIt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jjlynn072

He watches all the "crime shows" and knows not to touch anything right? Was it in his way? Was he cleaning the place up? This really bothers me.

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It is pretty much common knowledge you don't mix yourself up in a crime scene, i.e. laying on a dead body, rubbing hands over blood, touching things. IMO - seems to me an innocent person would not want to contaminate a crime scene or destroy potential evidence for a better chance the murderer would be caught.

This bothers me too.

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


Do you have issues with hair loss or those with it? What does "light bald" have to do with this case?

(he, he. I make more than my fair share of typos, but this one was just too much fun to pass up) ;)

:lol: I didn't even proof read and see that... sorry everyone, it was supposed to be bulb!!! Thanks FDinLaw!

[jjlynn072]

Welcome WonderingWhy :seeya:

I think he didn't want anyone talking because he didn't want any information comming out. She appeared to be a very popular girl, and I bet ALOT of people knew her. He didn't wnat anyone to "talk" about him or his actions. I don't think for one minute it was to protect the family of Nona or her memory! I thought I very odd that he went on a "beauty pagent" message board to spread that message as well. I strongly believe that guilt has driven him to his odd behavior. IMO he is guilty, however, I am basing that on the LE statements to date.

[Amy]

Originally posted by WonderingWhy
Good Morning All! I have never posted before but have been reading this for several weeks now. I have a couple of questions that I have not seen addressed. I would love to have some thought from the rest of you on these issues.

1. The posting from Kevin (if this is really from him) on the Miss Arkansas boards he is telling everyone to not talk to anyone. If this is truly the love of his life and who he is planning to marry why wouldn't he be telling everyone to talk to the authorities to help find who had murdered her?

2. How was he so quick to dispute the cause of her death? This just seems a little strange. (IMHO)

:confused:

I guess I didn't read the posting carefully. When I read it, I tho't it was just addressed to not talking in conversation with others about town....I did not take it to not talk to the LE.

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by WonderingWhy
Amy you are correct it doesn't mention LE. I was wondering why he is asking people not to talk instead of pleading for help in finding the person who committed this senseless murder. Just seems wrong concept. (IMO) Well, if he's guilty, then he'll have more of an interest in people not talking about it and finding information out about it. If he didn't do it, he'd have an interest in everyone doing what they can to solve the case.

[WhoDunIt]

Just curious, but can we be sure it was Kevin Jones that made that post on the pageant board? Couldn't someone have just posted and signed as Kevin Jones ?

[Det Frost]

This message if directed towards Birdie1, gentilben, and LewisM.

I am Detective Mark Frost. I have just recently been reading your posts. I decided to reply to some of your comments. I will not discuss the case in this forum however; I would like to set something straight. All three of you have assumed an anonymous name so nobody will know who you are. As you can see I have not done this. I have given my real name and you can go to my profile and get my e-mail address to contact me directly, if so desired. I ask that the three of you do the same if you decide to reply. You have stated that LewisM was a paid consultant for the Russellville Police Department from December 05 thru April 06 when you quit because you were upset that Kevin Jones was to be arrested. I am the lead detective in this case and at no time did the Russellville Police Department ever hire a consultant to assist with the investigation. If you so desire please feel free to file an FOI to determine if what I am saying is true. I have talked with my chief and he has advised me that we will honor a FOI request of that nature. Obviously any other request for information reference this case will not be honored because as you all know this is an ongoing investigation. Just because an arrest has been made does not mean that the investigation stops. I look forward to your replys, however please resond with your real names or please feel free to e-mail me direct. If you need assistance in filing the FOI please feel free to contact me direct.

[ValleyGirl]

WAY TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT! I APPRECIATE THIS - I KNOW THE OTHERS WILL TOO! :)

[jjlynn072]

hummm..... very interesting.... I can't wait to see the reply from these three now. :lol:

[jjlynn072]

Does anyone think this FOI request will prove different than Det. Frost has stated? I really don't.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by jjlynn072
Does anyone think this FOI request will prove different than Det. Frost has stated? I really don't.

Valley Girl - Did you ask for this information? You offered to before and I’m just curious.

Wow, a post from an investigator with a name, that is a new thing! I was expecting to find another resuscitation rant from Gentilben!

[2lakes]

A BIG thank you to Detective Frost for setting the record straight.

[ValleyGirl]

No, I didn't ask for the info. I'm sure word got back to the RPD and Frost was man enough to step up! I would like to hear from the "three blind mice" now that Frost has made a statement.

[2lakes]

I would like for the detective to request the identities of the "investigators" from Court tv so they can "aid in the investigation" rather than just posting their knowledge online.

[WhoDunIt]

Originally posted by WonderingWhy
I did make note of that. Why would anyone want to impersonate him? :shrug:

Emotions are running high in this case; someone who wants to see him punished perhaps, posting something that will draw even more discussion. My point was, its hard to know who is behind the postings at any given time. Still just curious.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by WhoDunIt


Emotions are running high in this case; someone who wants to see him punished perhaps, posting something that will draw even more discussion. My point was, its hard to know who is behind the postings at any given time. Still just curious.

Now I'm even questioning if the person claiming to be Det. Frost IS the real detective Mark Frost! I tried to email him but I got an error message that the function was turned off by the moderator. The post seemed legit...I hope it was but anything is possible around here!

[WhoDunIt]

Originally posted by 2lakes


Now I'm even questioning if the person claiming to be Det. Frost IS the real detective Mark Frost! I tried to email him but I got an error message that the function was turned off by the moderator. The post seemed legit...I hope it was but anything is possible around here!


I know what you mean, 2lakes. Wonder why the moderator would turn it off. If it wasn't Det. Frost, impersonating an officer is not a good idea, even on a message board.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by 2lakes


Now I'm even questioning if the person claiming to be Det. Frost IS the real detective Mark Frost! I tried to email him but I got an error message that the function was turned off by the moderator. The post seemed legit...I hope it was but anything is possible around here!

I have tried e-mailing people directly before too and it has NEVER worked. Maybe Det Frost left his information and the problem is the board. You probably can sent a private message.

[Lobsters]

I don't think the email function has worked on this board in quite some time.

PM is your only means of contacting someone.

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by FDInLaw

I have tried e-mailing people directly before too and it has NEVER worked. Maybe Det Frost left his information and the problem is the board. You probably can sent a private message.
It's exactly what the problem is. Det. Frost probably didn't realize that we can't see or access the information he left.

Someone could call the Russellville Police Department, and see if they can contact him to verify that he posted the message. If he didn't, I'm sure he'll be interested to know about it, but I imagine police would be watching this kind of material anyway.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by oxfordwebster

It's exactly what the problem is. Det. Frost probably didn't realize that we can't see or access the information he left.

Someone could call the Russellville Police Department, and see if they can contact him to verify that he posted the message. If he didn't, I'm sure he'll be interested to know about it, but I imagine police would be watching this kind of material anyway.

All right, I'll do it . . . but you all owe me! :rolleyes:

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by FDInLaw


All right, I'll do it . . . but you all owe me! :rolleyes:

Thank you FDinLaw! Can't wait to hear what he says.

[FDInLaw]

It is official, it was Detective Mark Frost that posted yesterday! Mark was not aware that the e-mail link would not work and he gave me his e-mail address to post here (if the moderator removes it try contacting Mark with a private message): mark.frost@russellvillearkansas.org
For the record, he was a real nice guy! :)

[TexasGirl06]

Wow....Things have been crazy lately and I haven't been able to check in on this board, but this is great news. Thank you Det Frost for posting and setting the record straight on Lewis, etc.....

I look forward to reading what Lewis, Gentleben, etc have to say.

Let's see if they use their real names.

[chambord]

Originally posted by 2lakes
A BIG thank you to Detective Frost for setting the record straight.


Agree! Thanks Det. Frost. I've been trying to get up to speed with this case, and I appreciate your attention to this board.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by FDInLaw
It is official, it was Detective Mark Frost that posted yesterday! Mark was not aware that the e-mail link would not work and he gave me his e-mail address to post here (if the moderator removes it try contacting Mark with a private message): mark.frost@russellvillearkansas.org
For the record, he was a real nice guy! :)

Thanks FDInLaw! I'm glad it really was him.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by Coldwater


That option has been turned off for over 2 years, along with the "report to mod" and "email notification of reply to your post".
The membership got so large and mailing so voluminous it was crashing the boards. You can PM anyone if they have the option turned on, you have to email them directly if they give you their address.

The options being turned off have nothing to do with any specific poster on board.

Thanks Coldwater! I just didn't want to send a PM to him because it could have been someone impersonating Det. Frost. Glad to see he is the real deal.

[WhoDunIt]

Originally posted by Coldwater


That option has been turned off for over 2 years, along with the "report to mod" and "email notification of reply to your post".
The membership got so large and mailing so voluminous it was crashing the boards. You can PM anyone if they have the option turned on, you have to email them directly if they give you their address.

The options being turned off have nothing to do with any specific poster on board.


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Thanks for the info Coldwater, and thanks to Det. Frost for taking the time to post on this board.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by WhoDunIt
Just curious, but can we be sure it was Kevin Jones that made that post on the pageant board? Couldn't someone have just posted and signed as Kevin Jones ?

Hi, I don't know if you are following Steve Huff's articles about this case on the Court TV Crime Library (and also his site - Huff Crime Blog), but it seems obvious from these that Kevin and some of his friends are often online. Kevin's entry has been questioned for some time. The fact that no one has said it is not him convinces me that it probably is. JMO

[Player_72211]

Does anyone else here think that posting on this board was a highly questionable move for law enforcement to make, not to mention possibily inappropriate and just plain strange? Is it possible that Frost didn't like the way things were going on here, and didn't like the quetions that were being raised, so his post was a passive aggressive way to shut up the chatter? Thoughts, anyone?

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by Player_72211
Thoughts, anyone?
I know I can't be the only one that snickered when I read this. Someone registers so they can post that? Gee, I wonder...

:rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by Player_72211
Does anyone else here think that posting on this board was a highly questionable move for law enforcement to make, not to mention possibily inappropriate and just plain strange? Is it possible that Frost didn't like the way things were going on here, and didn't like the quetions that were being raised, so his post was a passive aggressive way to shut up the chatter? Thoughts, anyone?

IMO it wasn’t questionable or inappropriate. It’s obviously there were some folk on here just starting rumors. If there was any validity to their claims, why did they totally disappear?

(It is "funny, " oxfordwebster!)

:D

[Player_72211]

I've been registered for a while, and reading this board for longer. Everything got quiet so I finally decided to post. But I'm glad I inspired snickers. Is this not a valid question? Do police involved in active investigations often post on these boards? Also, how many words did I spell wrong this time? (DOH!)

Seriously, though, why would the police care about stopping "rumors" on a message board?

[Amy]

Originally posted by Player_72211
Does anyone else here think that posting on this board was a highly questionable move for law enforcement to make, not to mention possibily inappropriate and just plain strange? Is it possible that Frost didn't like the way things were going on here, and didn't like the quetions that were being raised, so his post was a passive aggressive way to shut up the chatter? Thoughts, anyone?

It was far more appropriate for him to present facts about who is who and what is what than it was for people to post lies. It's not like he was giving out information about the case itself...now THAT would have been inappropriate.

Just like, if in fact posters who say they are investigators are posting "facts," If indeed they really and truely investigators on the case, they should be fired, should have their PI license pulled, should be blackballed from ever working in that field again. IMO

[Amy]

Originally posted by Player_72211
I've been registered for a while, and reading this board for longer. Everything got quiet so I finally decided to post. But I'm glad I inspired snickers. Is this not a valid question? Do police involved in active investigations often post on these boards? Also, how many words did I spell wrong this time? (DOH!)

Seriously, though, why would the police care about stopping "rumors" on a message board?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly appreciate the fact that he stopped in and cleared things up for us.

Actually, he was defending the integrity of the Russellville police department, to assure us that the folk who work there aren't so tainted or unprofessional that they would reveal parts of the investigation to a message board. Or that the people they would hire as independant contractors would be so unprofessional.

As to your question about police in active investigations post often, you should know they don't, as long as you have been "lurking." Which, of course, made some on this board suspicious of the validity of the "investigators" who did post.

[2lakes]

I agree. I don't think there was anything strange about Det. Frost directing his message at the 3 posters claiming to have inside information & claiming to be hired as consultants, reviewing evidence, interviewing neighbors etc.

Det. Frost had 1 post and doesn't come on the message board everyday discussing the case. By the way, where's the 3 posters since his message?

[Player_72211]

Originally posted by Amy


I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly appreciate the fact that he stopped in and cleared things up for us.

Actually, he was defending the integrity of the Russellville police department, to assure us that the folk who work there aren't so tainted or unprofessional that they would reveal parts of the investigation to a message board. Or that the people they would hire as independant contractors would be so unprofessional.

As to your question about police in active investigations post often, you should know they don't, as long as you have been "lurking." Which, of course, made some on this board suspicious of the validity of the "investigators" who did post.


Why should I "know that they don't?" This is the only thread I've been reading at court TV. What does it matter if I post once or a million times? I'm sure there are tons of readers who don't intend to ever post. I hardly ever post anything on a message board I read. I just like reading them. I'd been reading this thread and I couldn't believe everyone just stopped posting, particularly after what I considered a big event for a message board, that being that an officer involved first hand with the case posted on the board. I had a question to ask, and I did, and I wanted to see what you guys thought. That's all. No conspiracy. I don't even know why I felt the need to explain myself. I'll keep reading, now that I've got you all talking again. Mission accomplished, I guess.

[FDInLaw]

Player_72211,

We tend to be a tad suspicious of new comers on this board. There have been several clowns on as of late, who now, do to their lack of response, appear to have been on here just to propagate nonsense IMO. Please don’t let us scare you off, it’s not much fun for the rest of us if you only read and don’t post. The more the merrier I say!

Are you from Little Rock? 72211 is the zip code there.
:seeya:

[Player_72211]

Yup, Little Rock here. So not quite in the jury pool but close enough to follow the story. Anybody know when the next court date will be? I guess not much will happen until then, or until some motions are filed.

[2lakes]

welcome player!

[Lobsters]

welcome player!


2lakes...do you ever hear anything about this case on the news??

I don't, but that could just be because of the crappy news up here.

[Amy]

Originally posted by Player_72211
Yup, Little Rock here. So not quite in the jury pool but close enough to follow the story. Anybody know when the next court date will be? I guess not much will happen until then, or until some motions are filed.

Which is why there isn't much posting going on. No news, no activity, no posts.

[WhoDunIt]

I must have missed something gentilben. What was it exactly that you accomplished on this board ?

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by gentilben
Look. Detective Frost hasn't gotten me to do anything, much less, stopped me from posting when an where I want. (IMO) I've accomplished what I needed to accomplish on this board, and everything I needed, I've gotten. Now, I am busy at work, and with other matters. (IMO) However, I still read numerous other blogs per day, including this one.

What exactly did you accomplish here? Why do you think Det. Frost doesn't want you to post on here? I didn't get that impressionan from him.

[jjlynn072]

lewisM???? birdie???????????

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by gentilben
Look. Detective Frost hasn't gotten me to do anything, much less, stopped me from posting when an where I want. (IMO) I've accomplished what I needed to accomplish on this board, and everything I needed, I've gotten. Now, I am busy at work, and with other matters. (IMO) However, I still read numerous other blogs per day, including this one.

Is this your cryptic way of conceding that the whole LewisM thing was a lie and you were just on the board to perpetrate rumors? Your post is lacking any defense of your ideas. You may not want to admit it, but Det Frost seems to have convinced you to stop standing by the statements and ideas you conveyed on this board IMO. At any rate, you sure have been quiet and where are the other two?

[2lakes]

Originally posted by Lobsters
welcome player!


2lakes...do you ever hear anything about this case on the news??

I don't, but that could just be because of the crappy news up here.

No, there has been nothing on the local news since Kevin Jones was arrested. We did have a college girl killed a few weeks back in Fayetteville and the police have a person of interest & have eliminated her boyfriend. The person of interest was found the next day walking around the apt. complex acting strangely. I haven't heard since then if they have named anyone yet.

My bet is that we will not hear anymore in the news until the trial.

[2lakes]

Originally posted by gentilben
Look. I've accomplished what I needed to accomplish on this board, and everything I needed, I've gotten.

What exactly have you "gotten" out of posting on the message board?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by gentilben
Look. Detective Frost hasn't gotten me to do anything, much less, stopped me from posting when an where I want. (IMO) I've accomplished what I needed to accomplish on this board, and everything I needed, I've gotten. Now, I am busy at work, and with other matters. (IMO) However, I still read numerous other blogs per day, including this one.

What other blogs do you follow? Curious to know if I'm missing some.

[FDInLaw]

This was on the pageant board. . . I don't see the article in The Courier online.

Hiram Jones
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Just heard that Kevin's Dad was in today's paper under police reports and court stuff. . . something about him throwing a chair through the wall at the police station. The Courier does not have it online. Could someone confirm this for me?
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The Courier Article reads as follows: "Father Of Murder Suspect to Pay Fines" - "The father of murder suspect Kevin Jones was sentenced this week in Russellville District Court to pay $455 in fines and court costs after allegedly slamming a chair into a wall at the Russellville Police Department. Hiram Jones, Jr., 50, was not present at his court hearing Wednesday, but his attorney Micheal Robbins pleaded no contest on behalf of his client for the misdemeanor disorderly conduct and and criminal mischief charges against him"...... There is quite a bit more to the article, appearing as a second page story in today's paper.
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[2lakes]

Originally posted by FDInLaw

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The Courier Article reads as follows: "Father Of Murder Suspect to Pay Fines" - "The father of murder suspect Kevin Jones was sentenced this week in Russellville District Court to pay $455 in fines and court costs after allegedly slamming a chair into a wall at the Russellville Police Department. Hiram Jones, Jr., 50, was not present at his court hearing Wednesday, but his attorney Micheal Robbins pleaded no contest on behalf of his client for the misdemeanor disorderly conduct and and criminal mischief charges against him"...... There is quite a bit more to the article, appearing as a second page story in today's paper.
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Is the incident related to his son? Just wondering if he was showing his frustration with the police for his son being charged.
I really feel sorry for any parent in this situation. I can't imagine what I would be feeling if my son were facing the same charges.

[FDInLaw]

Insight into a murder case


By Brooke Vermillion
Reporter
Since the December 2005 day when a 19-year-old Arkansas Tech University student lost her life in the first known homicide in the city in several years, questions have been asked and rumors have flown about the competence of the city's police department in handling a case of its magnitude.
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Copyright 2006 Russellville Newspapers, Inc.


Check w/poster for link

[Amy]

Thanks, FDinLaw!!!!

An interesting read, and it sounds reasonable.

I know that folks want all the info the police have the minute they get it, but I do understand that there is info they have to keep to themselves (in having info only the perp would know) and, that they shouldn't put out information on everything they get until it is comfirmed to be tied to the crime.

[ValleyGirl]

I think there is a hearing on May 22nd on Discovery. Just an FYI

[FDInLaw]

Phone call brings shock, disbelief


Editor's note: This is the first in an ongoing series of articles sharing insight into the human toll paid when crimes are committed. It is hoped these local stories of personal tragedy will, in some way, effect positive change.

By Sonya Campbell
Managing Editor
Shock and disbelief is how Peggy Prose of London described her feelings after a phone call she received the evening of Dec. 15, 2005.
That's when she heard Nona Dirksmeyer -- someone she described as being like a granddaughter to her -- was found dead, apparently murdered.

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check w/poster for link

[FDInLaw]

Murder investigation


Detective defines role

Editor's note: This article is a follow-up to the story "Insight into a murder case" that was published in Sunday's Courier. Both stories were derived from an interview with the lead investigator in the Nona Dirksmeyer murder case. The investigator was not allowed to comment about details of the investigation until after formal charges were filed against a suspect. Those charges were filed March 31.

By Brooke Vermillion
Reporter
Friday, Dec. 15, 2005, was Detective Mark Frost's first scheduled night of the week to be on call after-hours at the Russellville Police Department's Criminal Investigation Division (CID).
The evening had been fairly quiet prior to a call that came in at about 6:30 p.m. requesting his assistance in an unattended death at 1006 S. Inglewood.

Copyright 2006 Russellville Newspapers, Inc.

[Amy]

Thanks, FDinLaw.

[2lakes]

Ditto.... thanks for posting the articles!

[FDInLaw]

I just tried to get the links for the articles above, and surprise, surprise, they could not be found in The Courier archives. Sorry about that!

[FDInLaw]

Okay, I'm an idiot! Finally figured it out! Here are the links for the articles above. . .

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=11612&Search=Nona%20Dirksmeyer

Mark Frost is in the ones below. . .

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=11611&Search=Nona%20Dirksmeyer

http://www.couriernews.com/archived_story.php?ID=11603&Search=Nona%20Dirksmeyer

[FDInLaw]

You seem to know someone at The Courier, can you tell me why the article about Hiram Jones was not made available online? I realize that if they put everything online no one would need to buy their paper. . . I'm just wondering if there was more to it.

[ValleyGirl]

The defense has made a motion for a gag order. They cite the recent comment on this board by Det. Frost & the recent article in the newspaper. I read the arguement and it was impressive. Maybe I impress easily though, who knows. What was the outcome of the hearing today? Does anyone know?

FD - I'm not sure on the articles about Mr Jones. Were they on the front page? I know that sometimes news that is beyond page 1 doesn't make it online. Unless its a sports article or something. The Courier rarely updates the Police and Courts section online.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
The defense has made a motion for a gag order. They cite the recent comment on this board by Det. Frost & the recent article in the newspaper. I read the arguement and it was impressive. Maybe I impress easily though, who knows. What was the outcome of the hearing today? Does anyone know?

FD - I'm not sure on the articles about Mr Jones. Were they on the front page? I know that sometimes news that is beyond page 1 doesn't make it online. Unless its a sports article or something. The Courier rarely updates the Police and Courts section online.

Thank you for the information, Valleygirl! When you find out the results of the hearing please post it here!

:seeya:

[jjlynn072]

I am not from the area so thank you FDInLaw and ValleyGirl for all the info and updates!!!! :D

[2lakes]

Originally posted by ValleyGirl
The defense has made a motion for a gag order. They cite the recent comment on this board by Det. Frost & the recent article in the newspaper. I read the arguement and it was impressive.

Very interesting. I wonder how the defense knew about the comment on this board. Really makes you wonder about the true identities of some of the posters who have been on here.

[Lobsters]

Originally posted by 2lakes


Very interesting. I wonder how the defense knew about the comment on this board. Really makes you wonder about the true identities of some of the posters who have been on here.

I agree. very peculiar.

[dtbh]

Originally posted by 2lakes



Is the incident related to his son? Just wondering if he was showing his frustration with the police for his son being charged.
I really feel sorry for any parent in this situation. I can't imagine what I would be feeling if my son were facing the same charges.

I don't know if anyone has answered your question. The incident of the chair happened way before his son was charged. His son volunteered to take a polygraph. While he was being questioned, the police would not let the father see him. The incident happened on Dec. 21, I believe. He was not charged at that time and was free to go any time. He missed Nona's visitation.

[ValleyGirl]

I don't think that it is strange that the defense found out about Det Frosts' post. This town is known for it's ability to transfer gossip/news at speeds comparable to that of sound - lol. I think they are probably monitoring the web, papers, word of mouth, etc... for info. Any half-wit defense team would and should - IMO.

[FDInLaw]

Any word on the outcome of yesterday's hearing?

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by kg**
What makes you think the defense attorneys or someone who works for them don't read these blog sites as well? They'd be dumb no to. I doubt they log in and post though. Just being invisible and monitoring all the goings on is PLENTY of info.

Yea, it’s obvious that Kevin’s defense team is keeping an eye on this board. . . I just don’t think their presence here is an inactive one! In regards to Gentilben and LewisM and the like, I really got the sense that they were baiting. Maybe Frost was the fish they were looking for. . . JMO, but I would not be surprised if the defense was behind one or more of these posters. It was either them or some of Kevin’s friends (most likely, both). IMHO

[ValleyGirl]

KG**
Are you saying that you don't think that Kevin killed Nona - in your opinion? Maybe I read too quickly but I'm not following your comments.

[ValleyGirl]

I get it now. I think my eyes were slower than my brain or something. :)

[oxfordwebster]

Wow. I still don't see how anybody can look at Kevin's lies to the police and not think something is up.

[FDInLaw]

Originally posted by kg**
Hate to be the naysayer of the sight, but I'm in the mind that the kid did not do it. From every thing I've seen and read, everything is falling to cleanly in to place for him to have done it. Not that I'm a "Kevin fan" or anything; we may likely never know the real story. I think there are still a lot of leaves left unturned.

This is not a “Kevin is guilty” thread. As long as you do not claim to be a PI with special inside knowledge and a load of BS you should be alright. Do keep in mind though, any arguments (yea or nay) can/will at any point be challenged. Many of us here take the case very seriously and are intent on figuring out what really happened. If you express an opinion, naturally people are going to want to know your reasoning behind it.

It’s always nice to see a new face. Consider yourself heartily welcomed.

:seeya:

[oxfordwebster]

Originally posted by kg**
That last part should read absolutely no idea about the other. It's all purely speculation on our part. The evidence against Kevin is just speculation? His lies he told police are just speculation?

I dont understand.

[jjlynn072]

Originally posted by kg**


No, I said there is definitely evidence against him. I just don't think it's all cut and dried though. I think the evidence that factually is known leaves a lot of room for reasonable doubt. A lot of the banterings on here are speculation.

Did you read the prob. caus. statement? I think it is very stong evidence against the defendent. If you have other info. please let us know. Also your thoughts about why you are 75% sure it was not him....

:seeya:

[iluvcats]

Does anybody know who killed her? and why they killed her? and does anybody have any links about who killed her?