Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[christina]

I drove home from Ozark yesterday numb. Throughtout the closing arguments I intermittedly choked up, wiped tears away, and stared blankly.
Watching the two familes knowing thiss was it, nothing more was going to be said, nothing more brought forth. It is now in the hands of 12 people.

[FDInLaw]

I drove home from Ozark yesterday numb. Throughtout the closing arguments I intermittedly choked up, wiped tears away, and stared blankly.
Watching the two familes knowing thiss was it, nothing more was going to be said, nothing more brought forth. It is now in the hands of 12 people.
HUGS! I feel numb too and I wasn't even there. :rose:

[nobody]

My past thought was not thorough, and I admit bias. I believe there is more evidence to be found and/or released - I just hope this case is not being rushed to satisfy the public curiosity.
To clarify, I'm not sure what Trey or Duane look like. Could someone clarify - maybe another website they are linked to (i.e. myspace, etc.).

[oxfordwebster]

On a whole different note; does anyone find it strange that with all the jury has to ponder and sort out, that they asked about "Jared"? Was York not made a convincing enough scapegoat that they are going to focus on yet another suspect?I don't know if it's the same, but from the Courier's coverage of Sara Bailey's testimony:

Bailey testified that another classmate, Jared Berry, told her of Dirksmeyer’s death some time between 7 and 10 p.m. on Dec. 15.It might not be the same person, but it was the only thing I could find.

[hudnala]

I'm so glad that we can have all of these new posters registered just to throw out theories about York and Duane. It doesn't come across as suspiscious, at all!

Face it: You people need to stop ignoring the evidence that ties Jones to the scene. If you can explain it away, then maybe you can show us the evidence that Duane Dipert or Trey York were involved with her murder.

Before the trial started, I just knew KJ was guilty. I ready the courier, some, and of course its statistically prov-en that it is always the boyfriend/husband.

After the trial started is when I found this message board, then I made sure I read the courier everyday, the I also made sure I watched the 6 o'clock news.

After doing these things there is doubt in my mind that he is guilty. You say what physical evidence does Trey or Duane have to this murder. The simple answer is....we do not know , because of the crappy police investigation. Finger nails, DNA, cell phones, blood on the walls, blood on the blinds, etc.

The only physical evidence that we have that KJ was there is the POSSIBLE partial bloody palm print. I will ask this again since I asked yesterday, is there any other physical evidence for KJ? I do not think the partial palm print is going to convict him because one side says it usable, the other side says it is not.

So yes, I am new to this board, do I think KJ did it? There is certainly doubt in mind, based on what I have read on here, the courier, and heard on the news. I hope there is a lot more evidence that was presented that the public does not know about.

It is just a sad case all the way around, I hope that if there is not a conviction the family of Nona and KJ sues the crap out of RPD for doing such a botched up investigation. Because if KJ is not convicted there is no way to get another suspect convicted because of the police investigation.
I live less than a quarter mile from where this horrific crime took place, and I still loose sleep quite a bit.....

[oxfordwebster]

The only physical evidence that we have that KJ was there is the POSSIBLE partial bloody palm print. I will ask this again since I asked yesterday, is there any other physical evidence for KJ? I do not think the partial palm print is going to convict him because one side says it usable, the other side says it is not.You are confusing the bloody palm print, which neither side claims is anybody else's but Kevin's, with the latent prints found on the lamp. The bloody palm print is there and it's Kevin's. There is no dispute over it.

[hudnala]

You are confusing the bloody palm print, which neither side claims is anybody else's but Kevin's, with the latent prints found on the lamp. The bloody palm print is there and it's Kevin's. There is no dispute over it.

So the bloody palm print is not partical, and it is KJ? No one disputes this?

[optimumprimal78]

In the tapes, he terms his and Dirksmeyer’s relationship as “very, very exclusive,” and tells investigators, “I was her best friend, and she was my best friend.”

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=15351

I would like to know what Kevin meant when he made this statement and the context of the conversation. There is no mention of sex here. What were they discussing at the time? The latter part of his quote raises my question.

What gets me is that many people have said that they were Nona or Kevin's best friend. My question is how can you truly be the best friend of a woman that you slept around on? I guess I just don't understand it.

[oxfordwebster]

So the bloody palm print is not partical, and it is KJ? No one disputes this?If the defense disputes it, they are doing a hell of a bad job by claiming he placed it there when she was found. There's no dispute that it is his print.

[cooper]

I'm so glad that we can have all of these new posters registered just to throw out theories about York and Duane. It doesn't come across as suspiscious, at all!

Face it: You people need to stop ignoring the evidence that ties Jones to the scene. If you can explain it away, then maybe you can show us the evidence that Duane Dipert or Trey York were involved with her murder.

There are those of us who have followed the case on this board, but reserved our judgement regarding KJ's guilt until we learned what the evidence presented by the pros would be at the trial. Evidence; not rumors, speculations or personal attacks on Kevin, his family, and friends fueled by some who are emotionaly invested in this case. Until the trial I didn't know if he was guilty or not. Sadly, I still don't know. What I do know is the pros failed to prove him guilty. The investigation was beyond sloppy. There is no hard evidence. How can a jury who follows the law not to convict if there is reasonable doubt convict him based on a bloody palm print that may or may not have been made at the time of the murder? Other than that, there's nothing. Sure, some indescripincies in his statements, but can you say beyond a doubt that you would have full recall of your activities and actions after having found your girlfriend brutally murdered? Ever heard of shock and trauma?

As far as the sleeping around...unfortunately there are people who can compartmentalize there lives/actions. Maybe he's one of those men that can sleep with a woman on the side, yet in his mind it doesn't take away from his love/commitment to his girlfriend? Not condoning it. Don't agree with it. Just saying it happens. So he is not the most moral person in the world, still doesn't make him a murderer.

Coop

[lorettalockhorn]

I drove home from Ozark yesterday numb. Throughtout the closing arguments I intermittedly choked up, wiped tears away, and stared blankly.
Watching the two familes knowing thiss was it, nothing more was going to be said, nothing brought forth. It is now in the hands of 12 people.

I can only imagine, with you having been in such proximity to the testimony and exhibits. There is a certain surreal-ness about it all.

Thanks for your court notes; I know it took a lot of energy to provide those for us.

[hudnala]

If the defense disputes it, they are doing a hell of a bad job by claiming he placed it there when she was found. There's no dispute that it is his print.

Thank you for that information, I did have them mixed up. The bloody palm print is the one that the defense says was made at the time of discovery, the prosecution says it was made at the time of the murder. Thanks again...

[oxfordwebster]

What I do know is the pros failed to prove him guilty. The investigation was beyond sloppy. There is no hard evidence. How can a jury who follows the law not to convict if there is reasonable doubt convict him based on a bloody palm print that may or may not have been made at the time of the murder? Other than that, there's nothing.You have to make a an extreme stretch to begin to think that he placed it there at any other time than the murder.

Like I mentioned yesterday, there was no sign of coagulation in the bloody print. What's more likely? That he placed it when the blood was fresh? Or that he placed it when he got blood on himself at discovery, with the blood that he got on his hands somehow not mixing in with the coagulation that would have occurred on the wounds and inside the body? Again, like I mentioned yesterday, the defense's own expert couldn't even keep the blood from coagulating using an anticoagulant and keeping the blood from being exposed to air.

If he left it when he found Nona, then that blood somehow made an agreement with Kevin to segregate itself from all of the other coagulated blood that would be present in a body that had been laying around for 6 to 7 hours. I find that hard to believe.

There's that. Other people can talk about the lack of an alibi presented by the defense, or any clarifications on the numerous statements he made to the police that were proven false.

[beachbum]

Thank you for that information, I did have them mixed up. The bloody palm print is the one that the defense says was made at the time of discovery, the prosecution says it was made at the time of the murder. Thanks again...



I think its very interesting that his mother testified that she didn't see him touch anything upon discovery yet his defense is claiming that is when he
made the print. hmmmmmm!

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know if it's the same, but from the Courier's coverage of Sara Bailey's testimony:

It might not be the same person, but it was the only thing I could find.

Thanks, oxford. That name had not stuck in my mind at all. I wonder what the jury has that we haven't seen that has their curiosity so aroused.

[oxfordwebster]

I think its very interesting that his mother testified that she didn't see him touch anything upon discovery yet his defense is claiming that is when he
made the print. hmmmmmm!It's even more interesting when you realize that both Kevin and Ryan Whiteside stated that they never saw him touch the bulb, making every person at the discovery say the same thing.

It's a wonder that police can get any work done with these spontaneously appearing bloody prints.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think its very interesting that his mother testified that she didn't see him touch anything upon discovery yet his defense is claiming that is when he
made the print. hmmmmmm!


Yes, and it was reported that during the 911 tape JJones can be heard reminding the boys not to touch anything. I also have a tendency to believe that the angle of the print is damning, i.e. the testimony that it would have been difficult to have touched the bulb in such a way at the time of discovery.

[beachbum]

I would have hoped the pros. would have stressed this during closing. (about her testifying she didn't see him touch anything yet defense claimed that is when he touched it--upon discovery) :punch:

[hawgustusgloop]

my spouse, who is notorious for ruining good movies by guessing their outcome, posed this idea:
In consideration - I do not know this person, but it is just a thought.
Think of a typical father/daughter-in-law relationship - a little skeptical. I'm now thinking back to her neighbor's testimony of the man that beat on her door that week and took her car keys, and also the raised voices in their conversation. Then I'm thinking about the release of the cell phone - and evidence removed. He has also been very attacking and unyielding against his thoughts on Kevin. It is a touchy conclusion - so I will not come out and say it - but I think you get the idea of the suggestion.

I can not speak for Kevin, only because he was a youth when I lived in the area. However, I do know his family is close. Janice (his mom) was my teacher and is respected and loved by the community - she has always been the kindess person - so, it has been hard to read skeptical remarks about her.

Actually, Nona was not Hiram Jones's daughter-in-law yet. K.Jo didn't get the chance to propose to Nona that night because she was murdered. Also, just like with Nona's grieveing stepfather Duane Dipert, I don't think there's any evidence tying him to the murder, and I just don't think he's involved.

[JR2007]

Thanks, oxford. That name had not stuck in my mind at all. I wonder what the jury has that we haven't seen that has their curiosity so aroused.

It is my opinion that the jury is making a common mistake. They are trying to use the information and evidence to solve the murder mystery. They asked the judge for more information on Jared, who texted Nona, I believe that day. It is not the juries duty to solve the mystery, per say, it is their duty to rule on whether KJ is guilty or innocent of the murder, based on the evidence shown in court.

[lorettalockhorn]

Actually, Nona was not Hiram Jones's daughter-in-law yet. K.Jo didn't get the chance to propose to Nona that night because she was murdered. Also, just like with Nona's grieveing stepfather Duane Dipert, I don't think there's any evidence tying him to the murder, and I just don't think he's involved.

I thought that nobody was implicating Dipert. Wasn't HJones out of town (when Nona was murdered)? Surely even though Bean didn't get a look at the Door Pounding One's face, she would have been able to differentiate between a young adult and an older man.

[nobody]

I said "Father In Law" when I meant "Step Father".

Again, I do not know this person. From the suspects - I was just considering who might take her keys, drive her car, and know her schedule - other than Kevin. Also, immediately asking for the cell phone and purging the data sends up red flags.

My apologies for the title confusion, I meant Step Father.

[hawgustusgloop]

My past thought was not thorough, and I admit bias. I believe there is more evidence to be found and/or released - I just hope this case is not being rushed to satisfy the public curiosity.
To clarify, I'm not sure what Trey or Duane look like. Could someone clarify - maybe another website they are linked to (i.e. myspace, etc.).

There are a lot of things about this case and its evidence that are up for debate, but IMO the notion of "being rushed to satisfy the public curiosity" probably isn't one of them. Nona was murdered on December 15, 2005. K.Jo was arrested at the end of March, 2006. The trial began on July 9, 2007. I don't think any of this process was rushed.

I don't know where to find a picture of Trey York, but jonikay saw him testify. Maybe she can tell you what he looks like. You can see a video with a short interview with Carol & Duane Dipert linked a couple of pages back. It is on the same video that shows K.Jo laughing at Nona's funeral. Hope this helps.

[Mark501]

It is my opinion that the jury is making a common mistake. They are trying to use the information and evidence to solve the murder mystery. They asked the judge for more information on Jared, who texted Nona, I believe that day. It is not the juries duty to solve the mystery, per say, it is their duty to rule on whether KJ is guilty or innocent of the murder, based on the evidence shown in court.

This would indicate to me that the jury feels like there's more to the story than they have seen, thus, possibly insufficient evidence to convict.

501

[oxfordwebster]

Also, immediately asking for the cell phone and purging the data sends up red flags.Three months is a little late for "immediately," don't you think?

This whole phone issue has been such a non-issue. It was a decision by Frost to not take prints from the phone within a day of the murder, not because Duane Dipert asked for the phone. The crime lab also was done with the phone, extracting all of the information from the SIM card that they could.

In fact, it was such a non-issue, that they didn't even decide to call Dipert. You'd think if the defense was trying to make him seem so suspect, that they would have tried a little harder rather than resort to mudslinging before the trial.

It will be interesting to see if any of the people whose names were attacked in this case can or will do something about it. I know Duane Dipert has been attacked for a while; Jeremy Martin was attacked both on this board and in the paper during the hearings; York has been made out to be a suspect...

[JR2007]

So many of us here on this forum have been discussing this case for quite awhile. A lot have waited for the trial to begin, so we could see what the Prosecution had as far as new evidence that we did not have. I can now say that it seems that we had most all of the evidence that the prosecution has presented on the case, more then a year now. I am very disappointed in how the case was handled by LE. We had speculated that there must be a lot more evidence, but nope, that's it folks.
It is now my believe that KJ will not be found guilt of this murder, by the jury, or at best will bring back a hung jury. I still believe he is guilty, but don't think the prosecution has proven it well enough to find him guilty.

[nobody]

What did happen to the cakepan? It seems that I recall there being blood near the oven.

[beachbum]

There are a lot of things about this case and its evidence that are up for debate, but IMO the notion of "being rushed to satisfy the public curiosity" probably isn't one of them. Nona was murdered on December 15, 2005. K.Jo was arrested at the end of March, 2006. The trial began on July 9, 2007. I don't think any of this process was rushed.

I don't know where to find a picture of Trey York, but jonikay saw him testify. Maybe she can tell you what he looks like. You can see a video with a short interview with Carol & Duane Dipert linked a couple of pages back. It is on the same video that shows K.Jo laughing at Nona's funeral. Hope this helps.


Do you know any teens that are members of facebook? They can find a pix of him for you.

[oxfordwebster]

What did happen to the cakepan? It seems that I recall there being blood near the oven.Usually, ovens are kept in a kitchen, which also has a sink. Perhaps the killer, who it was testified would have had blood on his hands, washed his hands in the kitchen, leaving some blood evidence on the oven when he traveled to the kitchen.

I seem to remember something about someone leaving a bloody palm print, maybe it was that person who got the blood in the kitchen?

It's so hard to keep all of these things straight, you know.

[hawgustusgloop]

I browsed the pageant site and found this link posted today. This is the first time I have seen this video. It shows Kevin laughing at the funeral.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0306/315437.html

The video I mentioned can be viewed at the link above.

[beachbum]

Did the neighbor -Bean, testify that the guy actually took Nona's keys and her car or was she implying that maybe it was York leaving in his own silver mustang and Nona threw him his own keys and he left in his own car ( he stated his car did not look like Nona's even though they were both silver mustangs):shrug:

[hoglover]

Was anything ever brought in about him saying he ran his hands over the blood to see how fresh it was? I always thought, in my opinion, that this was just creepy!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

It is my opinion that the jury is making a common mistake. They are trying to use the information and evidence to solve the murder mystery. They asked the judge for more information on Jared, who texted Nona, I believe that day. It is not the juries duty to solve the mystery, per say, it is their duty to rule on whether KJ is guilty or innocent of the murder, based on the evidence shown in court.

Agree. I'm somewhat surprised that the judge had to remind them of that fact.

[beachbum]

Was anything ever brought in about him saying he ran his hands over the blood to see how fresh it was? I always thought, in my opinion, that this was just creepy!!!

Very creepy to me too! I think he knew what he was doing from his CSI show.

[hudnala]

The video I mentioned can be viewed at the link above.

Hi there, can you tell me how to get to the pagent link?

[beachbum]

Hi there, can you tell me how to get to the pagent link?

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1183752796&page=6

just copy and paste the above

[hawgustusgloop]

Article from KFSM today:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6812204

[TJEddie]

Today's Courier mentions that Carol Dipert took the stand and said the "coke stain" in Nona's apartment had been there since she moved in, and it was in a part of the apartment they hadn't gotten around to repainting yet.

Not that it really ever mattered. I don't think anyone believed that York could spill a coke in Nona's apartment and have it travel through a small wormhole and also land in his car.

I don't think the defense was being so literal in their reference to the spilled coke. I think it was an oblique reference to how the brain works when a person lies. Telling a lie requires the brain to perform two activities at once......1)suppression of the truth, and 2) concoction of the lie. Because of this, little bits of truth are often unwittingly incorporated into lies.

To spell it out more clearly.....if the substance Trey cleaned from his car was really blood, he would have had to actively suppress the memory of where that blood came from while concocting his lie. Since a spilled coke was part of the picture he was suppressing, it could have easily been incorporated into his lie.

Is it an exact science? No. Are there other explanations? Sure. I'm just saying I think that's what the defense was referring to with the "spilled coke" showing up twice in the investigation.

[hawgustusgloop]

While we are waiting on a verdict, why not try to think of the questions we had or things we have wondered about that have already been answered?

K.Jo did NOT testify.

Trey York, as far as I know, did not plead the fifth, as someone predicted.

The mysterious 11:04 text message was something like "Please Call Me" and was supposedly about returning a cake pan, of all things.

The reason the prosecution called Nona's Little was apparently to indicate K.Jo lied about Nona's plans for the evening.

There was some seriously shoddy police work going on that didn't yield much more evidence than what we were already aware of.

Jeremy Martin was conspicuously not a factor in the trial.

K.Jo doesn't have an ironclad alibi.

What else?

[lorettalockhorn]

Three months is a little late for "immediately," don't you think?

This whole phone issue has been such a non-issue. It was a decision by Frost to not take prints from the phone within a day of the murder, not because Duane Dipert asked for the phone. The crime lab also was done with the phone, extracting all of the information from the SIM card that they could.

In fact, it was such a non-issue, that they didn't even decide to call Dipert. You'd think if the defense was trying to make him seem so suspect, that they would have tried a little harder rather than resort to mudslinging before the trial.

It will be interesting to see if any of the people whose names were attacked in this case can or will do something about it. I know Duane Dipert has been attacked for a while; Jeremy Martin was attacked both on this board and in the paper during the hearings; York has been made out to be a suspect...


The defense has both slandered and libeled Martin IMO. The defense was quoted in the media as having said that he lied about his relationship with Nona, then he was not called as a witness and allowed to refute that idea. We've talked about the shoddiness of LE's investigation, what about the shadiness of the defense's tactics?

[hudnala]

While we are waiting on a verdict, why not try to think of the questions we had or things we have wondered about that have already been answered?

K.Jo did NOT testify.

Trey York, as far as I know, did not plead the fifth, as someone predicted.

The mysterious 11:04 text message was something like "Please Call Me" and was supposedly about returning a cake pan, of all things.

The reason the prosecution called Nona's Little was apparently to indicate K.Jo lied about Nona's plans for the evening.

There was some seriously shoddy police work going on that didn't yield much more evidence than what we were already aware of.

Jeremy Martin was conspicuously not a factor in the trial.

K.Jo doesn't have an ironclad alibi.

What else?

TY does not have an ironclad alibi either from 11 until 1
Wheres the cake pan?

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's Gazette, the NW Arkansas edition:

http://www.nwarktimes.com/adg/News/196076/

[oxfordwebster]

The defense has both slandered and libeled Martin IMO. The defense was quoted in the media as having said that he lied about his relationship with Nona, then he was not called as a witness and allowed to refute that idea. We've talked about the shoddiness of LE's investigation, what about the shadiness of the defense's tactics?Remember lewism and birdie1? I actually saved those posts before they were removed for being so blatantly connected to KJ's camp. I figured I could hand them over if Martin or anybody else decides to go after the defense.

I saw one poster claiming to be an acquaintance of Martin a while back. It would have been nice if they had shed a little light on it, though an acquaintance might not be in the position to know anything.

[TJEddie]

Article from KFSM today:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6812204

IMO, the prosecution's "crime of passion" stance failed to adequately address the torture aspects of this attack. In addition to the 17 superficial knife wounds, one expert also testified that Nona appeared to have been restrained across the neck while her air supply was cut off with a hand over her mouth and nose. I think of a "crime of passion" as more of a blitz attack made in a blind rage....quick, and many times even accidental. Torturing a victim and making them suffer before delivering the fatal blow is an entirely different dynamic. The defense addresses that, but the prosecution doesn't.

[hawgustusgloop]

TY does not have an ironclad alibi either from 11 until 1
Wheres the cake pan?

We don't know about TY's alibi either way or about the cake pan, because TY is not on trial. He may have a great alibi, but since he had nothing to prove in court, witnesses weren't presented to verify it. It must have been good enough for the police to stop looking at him as a suspect. He may have given the cake pan back to Nona's mom for all we know.

[oxfordwebster]

IMO, the prosecution's "crime of passion" stance failed to adequately address the torture aspects of this attack. In addition to the 17 superficial knife wounds, one expert also testified that Nona appeared to have been restrained across the neck while her air supply was cut off with a hand over her mouth and nose. I think of a "crime of passion" as more of a blitz attack made in a blind rage....quick, and many times even accidental. Torturing a victim and making them suffer before delivering the fatal blow is an entirely different dynamic. The defense addresses that, but the prosecution doesn't.The prosecution addressed it by saying that they were hesitation marks. It's two different interpretations from different sides of the fence.

The defense expert that brought up this supposed "torture" also admitted the attack could have still been carried out in a small amount of time, as covered in today's Courier.

[hawgustusgloop]

IMO, the prosecution's "crime of passion" stance failed to adequately address the torture aspects of this attack. In addition to the 17 superficial knife wounds, one expert also testified that Nona appeared to have been restrained across the neck while her air supply was cut off with a hand over her mouth and nose. I think of a "crime of passion" as more of a blitz attack made in a blind rage....quick, and many times even accidental. Torturing a victim and making them suffer before delivering the fatal blow is an entirely different dynamic. The defense addresses that, but the prosecution doesn't.

I think "torture" was brought up by the last defense witness, the one who used the attorney's niece as a prop. The prosecution's experts described those as possible "hesitation wounds," which IMO is a completely different thing.

[cooper]

When asked about Bevel's asseration about the clotted blood and that the blood on the bulb had to be fresh and therefore placed there at the time of the murder- said he does not agree. He believed unclotted blood would flow out of a wound like the fatal one when the body was turned over for the first time. He testified that it had happened to him numerous times. When dead our blood clots more slowly than when we are alive. . (snipped)

You have to make a an extreme stretch to begin to think that he placed it there at any other time than the murder.

Like I mentioned yesterday, there was no sign of coagulation in the bloody print. What's more likely? That he placed it when the blood was fresh? Or that he placed it when he got blood on himself at discovery, with the blood that he got on his hands somehow not mixing in with the coagulation that would have occurred on the wounds and inside the body? Again, like I mentioned yesterday, the defense's own expert couldn't even keep the blood from coagulating using an anticoagulant and keeping the blood from being exposed to air.

If he left it when he found Nona, then that blood somehow made an agreement with Kevin to segregate itself from all of the other coagulated blood that would be present in a body that had been laying around for 6 to 7 hours. I find that hard to believe.

There's that. Other people can talk about the lack of an alibi presented by the defense, or any clarifications on the numerous statements he made to the police that were proven false.


Science is not exact. There are many variables that affect outcomes. Wouldn't you agree one cannot exactly duplicate the clotting factors of blood in a test tube vs a dead body with the many chemical rxns that are happening after one dies? I agree, it wasn't helpful for defense when test tube blood started to clot. But again, could have been (and probably was) just what expert said, did not mix anticoagulant throughly. Another factor could have been ratio of anticoagulant to blood. One would think that would not be overlooked, but you never know...MOO (forgot to add that last post)

Coop

[TJEddie]

I can understand why the prosecution would go with hesitation wounds.....but seventeen of them? Sounds more like an intentional infliction of pain to me. But that's just my opinion.

[oxfordwebster]

Science is not exact. There are many variables that affect outcomes. Wouldn't you agree one cannot exactly duplicate the clotting factors of blood in a test tube vs a dead body with the many chemical rxns that are happening after one dies? I agree, it wasn't helpful for defense when test tube blood started to clot. But again, could have been (and probably was) just what expert said, did not mix anticoagulant throughly. Another factor could have been ratio of anticoagulant to blood. One would think that would not be overlooked, but you never know...MOO (forgot to add that last post)"Science is not exact" is a statement that is highly debatable and must be placed in a proper context and not used as a blanket term to question every bit of knowledge.

The anticoagulant is exactly one of the reasons why the defense expert, IMO, was so damning. Even when trying to prevent vacuum-sealed blood from clotting, it still happened. It makes it even more unlikely that Kevin would have just happened to get a fresh batch of blood with no signs of coagulation, that somehow dodged every other bit of coagulated blood when it flowed onto his hands that would have appeared by that time. It would have mixed. It didn't.

[TJEddie]

The prosecution addressed it by saying that they were hesitation marks. It's two different interpretations from different sides of the fence.

The defense expert that brought up this supposed "torture" also admitted the attack could have still been carried out in a small amount of time, as covered in today's Courier.

I guess "small amount of time" is a relative term. I bet it can feel like an eternity when your air supply is being cut off or you're being sliced/stabbed with a knife. And I'm just having trouble with seventeen cuts/stabs being indicative of "hesitation wounds." But that's just me.....

[hawgustusgloop]

I can understand why the prosecution would go with hesitation wounds.....but seventeen of them? Sounds more like an intentional infliction of pain to me. But that's just my opinion.

For me, it's hard to say. When I read that description about the torture, it kind of made me think that if K.Jo did this, and it was a sudden, rage-filled crime of passion, that maybe he immediately punched her (since he would have had no weapon in his hand), and then grabbed a knife, maybe a pocket knife, who knows? Then, the part where all the superficial cuts were made, maybe that was where he was yelling at her, like, "See what you made me do," or "This is what happens when you cheat on me," or calling her names, etc.

[neutattoo]

Couldn't these marks that are referred to as hesitation marks in the knife wound on her neck come from a steak knife? Would a serrated edge knife cause these types of marks? I seem to recall reading that a steak knife was found on the counter some where near the condom wrapper. And Nona's blood was found on the stove or handle to the stove. So maybe the killer used the steak knife and then washed it at the kitchen sink before leaving.
Was a knife ever entered into evidence? If not, why not? Did LE not ever find the knife that made the cuts or stab wounds?

[oxfordwebster]

I guess "small amount of time" is a relative term. I bet it can feel like an eternity when your air supply is being cut off or you're being sliced/stabbed with a knife. And I'm just having trouble with seventeen cuts/stabs being indicative of "hesitation wounds." But that's just me.....I don't have the paper in front of me, so I can't remember if it was a "small amount of time" or if it was more specific. Sorry about that. We'll know when they update the site.

Right now, I don't feel like the defense experts have much credibility, so I'm not putting much stock in there testimony. From the "yeah, we found a fingernail in the carpet!" to "yeah, we don't think it had anything to do with the murder" among other things.

[hawgustusgloop]

I guess "small amount of time" is a relative term. I bet it can feel like an eternity when your air supply is being cut off or you're being sliced/stabbed with a knife. And I'm just having trouble with seventeen cuts/stabs being indicative of "hesitation wounds." But that's just me.....

Then again, if guilty, maybe he really lost his temper and punched the heck out of her. Maybe he knew he would be arrested and, with Nona's testimony, surely convicted for battery, and that everyone would know about it. Maybe he panicked and thought, "hey, no one knows I'm here, I can get away with it if she can't talk" and decided he had no choice but to kill her. I know it sounds crazy, but we are talking about a kid who was worried about telling his mom he got a bad grade. Maybe the hesitation wounds were because he thought he "had to" kill her, but it was hard for him to do since he did love her and normally wouldn't kill anyone.

[lorettalockhorn]

I can understand why the prosecution would go with hesitation wounds.....but seventeen of them? Sounds more like an intentional infliction of pain to me. But that's just my opinion.

Aren't hesitation wounds more common when the perp knows the victim well? Wasn't the defense using their last witness as a last ditch effort to make it seem like this was a random killing?

I can well imagine KJ making those type wounds and maybe there was an element of torture to them. Maybe after he received Nona's "I love you" text, he decided to visit her in person, to try and convince her to cancel the date with her Little so that he could propose (wasn't the defense going to have a jewelry store clerk testify? Is there a ring?). When she refused to let the girl down, or even scoffed at the idea that either of them were ready for marriage, he became even enraged and the text message from York was the last straw. After he initially struck her, he may have used the knife to bully her into changing her mind. When he realized that he had gone too far, he felt that he had no recourse but to kill her. He later knew that he had to definitely go out with mom that night in order to have a reason to not go to Nona's, hence the last minute approval of him as her guest. After Nona went undiscovered, he used the trip to Dardanelle as an excuse to check on Nona and availed himself of the evidence on the scene to contaminate himself with her blood.

Completely OT: Is anyone having trouble with this site? It is slow as molasses for me, but no other sites are.

[hoglover]

While we are waiting on a verdict, why not try to think of the questions we had or things we have wondered about that have already been answered?

K.Jo did NOT testify.

Trey York, as far as I know, did not plead the fifth, as someone predicted.

The mysterious 11:04 text message was something like "Please Call Me" and was supposedly about returning a cake pan, of all things.

The reason the prosecution called Nona's Little was apparently to indicate K.Jo lied about Nona's plans for the evening.

There was some seriously shoddy police work going on that didn't yield much more evidence than what we were already aware of.

Jeremy Martin was conspicuously not a factor in the trial.

K.Jo doesn't have an ironclad alibi.

What else?

Like I said, I was wondering what ever became of the statement he made about running his hands over the blood to see if it was fresh? Did this even come out in the trial?

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't have the paper in front of me, so I can't remember if it was a "small amount of time" or if it was more specific. Sorry about that. We'll know when they update the site.

Right now, I don't feel like the defense experts have much credibility, so I'm not putting much stock in there testimony. From the "yeah, we found a fingernail in the carpet!" to "yeah, we don't think it had anything to do with the murder" among other things.

Lordison agreed with Kokes that the entire episode happened "fairly quickly". I believe Kokes testified the time frame was five mintes or thereabouts.

[hudnala]

Completely OT: Is anyone having trouble with this site? It is slow as molasses for me, but no other sites are.[/QUOTE]



Slow for me too!

[oxfordwebster]

Lordison agreed with Kokes that the entire episode happened "fairly quickly". I believe Kokes testified the time frame was five mintes or thereabouts.Thanks for the clarification!

What I want to know more about is that after the defense's closing statement, Phillips spoke again. He said something along the lines (again, no paper in front of me) that you couldn't trust Lordison to tell you the color of a pen in your hand.

I really want to know what happened to bring that out in a closing statement. Perhaps something happened during Lordison's testimony? Maybe Lordison has a history?

[TJEddie]

Then again, if guilty, maybe he really lost his temper and punched the heck out of her. Maybe he knew he would be arrested and, with Nona's testimony, surely convicted for battery, and that everyone would know about it. Maybe he panicked and thought, "hey, no one knows I'm here, I can get away with it if she can't talk" and decided he had no choice but to kill her. I know it sounds crazy, but we are talking about a kid who was worried about telling his mom he got a bad grade. Maybe the hesitation wounds were because he thought he "had to" kill her, but it was hard for him to do since he did love her and normally wouldn't kill anyone.

Well, under your scenario, the murder would no longer be a crime of passion. Also, I would have to make a bit of a leap from a nervous nellie who made seventeen "I can't do this" hesitation marks, then delivered a single tremendous blow that crushed her skull. If I remember correctly, there were no "hesitation bumps" on her head. IMO, it just fits more with intentional suffering.

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 5 just reported that the jury notified the court that they are making progress and want lunch delivered. A defense attorney said that he thinks this means that the verdict will returned today. (Don't know which attorney or who that was stated to; just that Channel 5 reported it.)

[oxfordwebster]

Well, under your scenario, the murder would no longer be a crime of passion. Also, I would have to make a bit of a leap from a nervous nellie who made seventeen "I can't do this" hesitation marks, then delivered a single tremendous blow that crushed her skull. If I remember correctly, there were no "hesitation bumps" on her head. IMO, it just fits more with intentional suffering.A crime of passion merely describes what causes an attack to be launched. What he chose to do with that passion could fit either scenario, I would think.

[TJEddie]

Aren't hesitation wounds more common when the perp knows the victim well? Wasn't the defense using their last witness as a last ditch effort to make it seem like this was a random killing?

I can well imagine KJ making those type wounds and maybe there was an element of torture to them. Maybe after he received Nona's "I love you" text, he decided to visit her in person, to try and convince her to cancel the date with her Little so that he could propose (wasn't the defense going to have a jewelry store clerk testify? Is there a ring?). When she refused to let the girl down, or even scoffed at the idea that either of them were ready for marriage, he became even enraged and the text message from York was the last straw. After he initially struck her, he may have used the knife to bully her into changing her mind. When he realized that he had gone too far, he felt that he had no recourse but to kill her. He later knew that he had to definitely go out with mom that night in order to have a reason to not go to Nona's, hence the last minute approval of him as her guest. After Nona went undiscovered, he used the trip to Dardanelle as an excuse to check on Nona and availed himself of the evidence on the scene to contaminate himself with her blood.

Completely OT: Is anyone having trouble with this site? It is slow as molasses for me, but no other sites are.

Yes, hesitation marks can be indicative of a relationship with the victim. As for the "I've gone too far, I have to finish her off" scenario.....that takes the murder outside the crime of passion realm.

[hawgustusgloop]

Channel 5 just reported that the jury notified the court that they are making progress and want lunch delivered. A defense attorney said that he thinks this means that the verdict will returned today. (Don't know which attorney or who that was stated to; just that Channel 5 reported it.)

From KFSM:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6812802

Pretty much what lorettalockhorn said.

[hawgustusgloop]

Yes, hesitation marks can be indicative of a relationship with the victim. As for the "I've gone too far, I have to finish her off" scenario.....that takes the murder outside the crime of passion realm.

A crime of passion merely describes what causes an attack to be launched. What he chose to do with that passion could fit either scenario, I would think.

What oxfordwebster said.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the clarification!

What I want to know more about is that after the defense's closing statement, Phillips spoke again. He said something along the lines (again, no paper in front of me) that you couldn't trust Lordison to tell you the color of a pen in your hand.

I really want to know what happened to bring that out in a closing statement. Perhaps something happened during Lordison's testimony? Maybe Lordison has a history?

From the Courier: He* told the jury that Lordison could not be trusted to admit the truth in response to state's question, even with respect to a question as simple as the color of a pen, much less a pivotal piece of evidence such as the palm print.

This came after Phillipsreminded the jury that Norma Tate Jones has an interest in seeing KJ go free. He questioned why no one besides her saw Jones at the Jones service station at about 11:30am despite the fact that the station serves sandwiches. To me, Phillips may be simply trying to make the jury realize that different witnesses had different reasons to testify the way they did; grandmother's reason would be kinship; perhaps it could be interpreted that Lordison's was that he was a paid consultant. (I assume that he was paid.)

One thing that Lordison said that made sense to me was that the perfect situation would be for the ME to have been on the scene. I am personally disappointed in the fact that Kremers didn't take Nona's temperature. It would not have been suitable for him to use a rectal thermometer since there was a question at the time that she may have been sexually assaulted, but he should have done an abdominal stab. The coroner system is antiquated and needs to be done away with. *climbs off soapbox*

*Phillips

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, hesitation marks can be indicative of a relationship with the victim. As for the "I've gone too far, I have to finish her off" scenario.....that takes the murder outside the crime of passion realm.

Sorry, but I disagree. Passion is what initiated the attack. Fear and self-preservation is what caused the killer to complete the crime.

[hudnala]

Do we anyone from the board in court again today? hanging out waiting for the verdict or should we keep our radio's on?

[optimumprimal78]

While we are waiting on a verdict, why not try to think of the questions we had or things we have wondered about that have already been answered?

K.Jo did NOT testify.

Trey York, as far as I know, did not plead the fifth, as someone predicted.

The mysterious 11:04 text message was something like "Please Call Me" and was supposedly about returning a cake pan, of all things.

The reason the prosecution called Nona's Little was apparently to indicate K.Jo lied about Nona's plans for the evening.

There was some seriously shoddy police work going on that didn't yield much more evidence than what we were already aware of.

Jeremy Martin was conspicuously not a factor in the trial.

K.Jo doesn't have an ironclad alibi.

What else?

CH possibly should have been called as a character witness on KJ behavior after it happened. But I guess that is what RW was for.

[TJEddie]

A crime of passion merely describes what causes an attack to be launched. What he chose to do with that passion could fit either scenario, I would think.

I was just pointing out that under the scenarios being presented, the actual murderous act was not done out of "passion," but rather out of a fear of getting caught or disappointing his mother. This isn't in keeping with the prosecution's stance. Their presentation suggests that the entire attack and ultimate murder stemmed from a single burst of passion.

My original point was that I didn't think the prosecution's "crime of passion" stance adequately addressed the entire sequence of injuries and events. I don't seem to be the only one.....two other posters have suggested that passion was replaced by fear before the fatal blow was delivered.

I just think the prosecution left a loophole and the defense jumped through it.....that's all.

[oxfordwebster]

I was just pointing out that under the scenarios being presented, the actual murderous act was not done out of "passion," but rather out of a fear of getting caught or disappointing his mother. This isn't in keeping with the prosecution's stance. Their presentation suggests that the entire attack and ultimate murder stemmed from a single burst of passion.So do the other scenarios. The burst of passion is what causes the attack, the methods and motivations after that are subject to whatever interpretation you want.

[hawgustusgloop]

I was just pointing out that under the scenarios being presented, the actual murderous act was not done out of "passion," but rather out of a fear of getting caught or disappointing his mother. This isn't in keeping with the prosecution's stance. Their presentation suggests that the entire attack and ultimate murder stemmed from a single burst of passion.

My original point was that I didn't think the prosecution's "crime of passion" stance adequately addressed the entire sequence of injuries and events. I don't seem to be the only one.....two other posters have suggested that passion was replaced by fear before the fatal blow was delivered.

I just think the prosecution left a loophole and the defense jumped through it.....that's all.

There's also this scenario:

For me, it's hard to say. When I read that description about the torture, it kind of made me think that if K.Jo did this, and it was a sudden, rage-filled crime of passion, that maybe he immediately punched her (since he would have had no weapon in his hand), and then grabbed a knife, maybe a pocket knife, who knows? Then, the part where all the superficial cuts were made, maybe that was where he was yelling at her, like, "See what you made me do," or "This is what happens when you cheat on me," or calling her names, etc.

I have also liked the logic behind the theory proposed by a much wiser poster than I am, that K.Jo actually "killed Nona twice." Perhaps he could have committed a large portion of the attack already and then, becoming furious at what Nona "made him do," he delivered the fatal blow with the lamp?

[TJEddie]

Sorry, but I disagree. Passion is what initiated the attack. Fear and self-preservation is what caused the killer to complete the crime.

That's precisely my point. Kevin isn't charged with assault, he is charged with murder. Under your scenario, fear and self-preservation were the motives for the actual murder.

(It's been fun, but I'm ready to drop this if everybody else is.....it's lunch time and I'm hungry! Ha!)

[lorettalockhorn]

I was just pointing out that under the scenarios being presented, the actual murderous act was not done out of "passion," but rather out of a fear of getting caught or disappointing his mother. This isn't in keeping with the prosecution's stance. Their presentation suggests that the entire attack and ultimate murder stemmed from a single burst of passion.

My original point was that I didn't think the prosecution's "crime of passion" stance adequately addressed the entire sequence of injuries and events. I don't seem to be the only one.....two other posters have suggested that passion was replaced by fear before the fatal blow was delivered.

I just think the prosecution left a loophole and the defense jumped through it.....that's all.

I don't see that the prosecution exactly failed to address that at all.

As for the defense; I feel that their witnesses jumped through hoops, rather than loopholes. They were probably the best that money could buy and I actually wonder how many experts were considered before the ones who testified were actually hired. I think that Kilbourne's failure to produce the results that he had hoped for, was a boon to the prosecution.

[hawgustusgloop]

That's precisely my point. Kevin isn't charged with assault, he is charged with murder. Under your scenario, fear and self-preservation were the motives for the actual murder.

(It's been fun, but I'm ready to drop this if everybody else is.....it's lunch time and I'm hungry! Ha!)

So, are you saying that if he beat her up and then killed her out of fear and self-preservation, that he would only be charged with assault?

A "crime of passion" is a crime of passion IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

There's also this scenario:



I have also liked the logic behind the theory proposed by a much wiser poster than I am, that K.Jo actually "killed Nona twice." Perhaps he could have committed a large portion of the attack already and then, becoming furious at what Nona "made him do," he delivered the fatal blow with the lamp?

Does anyone besides me actually picture him crying for mom at that point?

[oxfordwebster]

I think that Kilbourne's failure to produce the results that he had hoped for, was a boon to the prosecution.Kilbourne's testimony has been laughable since the original hearings on the bloody print. His blood drying experiments were done in response to Bacon's description of the blood, which after clarified, rendered the experiments pointless. They didn't do anything but discredit him, his partner when he contradicted him, and give more credence to what Tom Bevel testified.

[lorettalockhorn]

That's precisely my point. Kevin isn't charged with assault, he is charged with murder. Under your scenario, fear and self-preservation were the motives for the actual murder.

(It's been fun, but I'm ready to drop this if everybody else is.....it's lunch time and I'm hungry! Ha!)

Assault?? GMAB How about attempted murder?

[lorettalockhorn]

CH possibly should have been called as a character witness on KJ behavior after it happened. But I guess that is what RW was for.

Oh, drat. I missed Hawg's earlier post.

I don't think that the defense could afford to call CH. She posted (somewhere) that she spent the week after Nona's murder with KJ. She siad that he was distraught and inconsolable. Yet, he was able to muster a laugh at Nona's funeral and presumably get on the pageant message board. Chelsea would have been with him when he was posting and would have likely been cross examined about how he was able to manage that while sick with grief.

[lorettalockhorn]

While we are waiting on a verdict, why not try to think of the questions we had or things we have wondered about that have already been answered?

K.Jo did NOT testify.

Trey York, as far as I know, did not plead the fifth, as someone predicted.

The mysterious 11:04 text message was something like "Please Call Me" and was supposedly about returning a cake pan, of all things.

The reason the prosecution called Nona's Little was apparently to indicate K.Jo lied about Nona's plans for the evening.

There was some seriously shoddy police work going on that didn't yield much more evidence than what we were already aware of.

Jeremy Martin was conspicuously not a factor in the trial.

K.Jo doesn't have an ironclad alibi.

What else?

The biggest shocker to me is that Jeremy Martin wasn't called as a witness.

I'm somewhat befuddled that neither side tried to clear up the testimony by the AT&T representative. It almost sounded like AT&T did not cooperate with the investigation.

I expected the prosecution to break grandmother on the stand; didn't happen.

Oh, and I am curious as to the reason that Chelsea wasn't called as a witness; she seems to be the one person that was a friend to both. She posted that she, Nona, Kevin and Jim were best friends. (Not sure who Jim is.)

[FDInLaw]

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[oxfordwebster]

Courier updates are there. Mid-day one is as well, but doesn't have anything other than they wanted pizza and they've spent a whole 5.5 hours trying to reach a verdict.

[jonikay]

In the tapes, he terms his and Dirksmeyer’s relationship as “very, very exclusive,” and tells investigators, “I was her best friend, and she was my best friend.”

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=15351

I would like to know what Kevin meant when he made this statement and the context of the conversation. There is no mention of sex here. What were they discussing at the time? The latter part of his quote raises my question.
At this time during the videotaped interrogation, Kevin was talking about his long relationship with Nona as well as their sexual relationship. He explained that he broke up with her once in high school and about how she could hardly go to school and how she'd had such a hard time with the break-up. Kevin was asked about he and Nona's relationship and he talked about it at length, stating that the two had a better relationship than anyone he knew. He said they never fought, just talked about what bothered him or her. He also stated that everybody that knew them, knew they were a great couple. Before asked about the relationship, Kevin was asked to talk about Nona. He was very sweet and descriptive of the traits he loved about her, most of which have been shown in the paper, etc. That's why I don't understand your insistence to make it a point that Kevin did not lie about the closeness of their emotional and physical bond. He was not asked questions out of context and he answered all questions asked with great detail, not to leave any stone unturned. By saying that, I mean that he was 100% cooperative with the police during the long interrogation.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15446

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15439

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15438

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15437

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15436

[lorettalockhorn]

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[lorettalockhorn]

At this time during the videotaped interrogation, Kevin was talking about his long relationship with Nona as well as their sexual relationship. He explained that he broke up with her once in high school and about how she could hardly go to school and how she'd had such a hard time with the break-up. Kevin was asked about he and Nona's relationship and he talked about it at length, stating that the two had a better relationship than anyone he knew. He said they never fought, just talked about what bothered him or her. He also stated that everybody that knew them, knew they were a great couple. Before asked about the relationship, Kevin was asked to talk about Nona. He was very sweet and descriptive of the traits he loved about her, most of which have been shown in the paper, etc. That's why I don't understand your insistence to make it a point that Kevin did not lie about the closeness of their emotional and physical bond. He was not asked questions out of context and he answered all questions asked with great detail, not to leave any stone unturned. By saying that, I mean that he was 100% cooperative with the police during the long interrogation.

You know, I just get the impression that KJ is delusional.

[hawgustusgloop]

You know, I just get the impression that KJ is delusional.

What makes you think such a thing? Was it the "she could barely go to school when I dumped her" or the "I pretty much saved her life?"

IMO all that flowery stuff about their relationship was an intentional lie, just like the proposal story.
All my opinion only.

[optimumprimal78]

What makes you think such a thing? Was it the "she could barely go to school when I dumped her" or the "I pretty much saved her life?"

He says that they had such a great relationship but it has been acknowledged that they had been cheating on each other. That to me means that he has a different sense of reality in regards to "great relationships" as opposed to most people.

[lorettalockhorn]

What makes you think such a thing? Was it the "she could barely go to school when I dumped her" or the "I pretty much saved her life?"

OR that we were "very, very exclusive".

That comment about pretty much saving her life gave me a visceral reaction.

[jonikay]

He says that they had such a great relationship but it has been acknowledged that they had been cheating on each other. That to me means that he has a different sense of reality in regards to "great relationships" as opposed to most people.
You're right, but Kevin stated during the interrogation that Nona would never cheat on him.

[lorettalockhorn]

You're right, but Kevin stated during the interrogation that Nona would never cheat on him.

He had to say that. Otherwise he would be laying the groundwork for a motive to have killed her. The investigation may have been shoddy, but no where near as shoddy as the way that KJ treated Nona and portrayed their relationship, whether he killed her or not.

[lorettalockhorn]

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[optimumprimal78]

He had to say that. Otherwise he would be laying the groundwork for a motive to have killed her. The investigation may have been shoddy, but no where near as shoddy as the way that KJ treated Nona and portrayed their relationship, whether he killed her or not.

I agree with you there. Unfortunately for him TY said that they went out. Now I know if someone I was in a "very strong/healthy" relationship with went out on a date(s) with someone else I would not be to excited about it. Anyone who has been in some sort of situation like that would feel the same.

[hoglover]

12 members 56 guests

I saw that too! Everyone must be on a verdict watch. That's why I've stuck around today.

[hoglover]

I agree with you there. Unfortunately for him TY said that they went out. Now I know if someone I was in a "very strong/healthy" relationship with went out on a date(s) with someone else I would not be to excited about it. Anyone who has been in some sort of situation like that would feel the same.

I know it isn't healthy or right, but when I was in college I knew of a lot of couples whom at the beginning of the year would be together, and by the end of the year would be broken up. All because of the couple going to two different colleges. For some reason this would cause a lot of cheating. I guess being young and all. Sometimes the relationships of teenagers aren't real mature ones. MOO!

[optimumprimal78]

I don't know if this has been posted but it relates the jury instructions given in this trial to the one in another trial in Arkansas:

http://lynchlarge.blogspot.com/2007/07/dirksmeyer-oddity.html

[hudnala]

not guilty!

[hudnala]

just came in on kcjc

[beachbum]

Sad sad sad for Nona's Family.:(

[optimumprimal78]

http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?sid=32b10a33cac16ff67705b22c13f64175&cid=57832

[hudnala]

Sad sad sad for Nona's Family.:(
very sad....

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry, Opti. Didn't see your post.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/440646.html

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=49275

[hoglover]

I don't know if this has been posted but it relates the jury instructions given in this trial to the one in another trial in Arkansas:

http://lynchlarge.blogspot.com/2007/07/dirksmeyer-oddity.html

Why wouldn't the judge allow the lesser charges if the jurors seem to think he may not be guilty of the first but is of the lesser?

I would say if they thought not to go with first, but one of the lesser he has tied their hands.

[FDInLaw]

Wait for an offical source. . . but it's. . .

NOT GUILTY

For Nona. . . :rose:

[hawgustusgloop]

very sad....

Agreed. IMO no one will ever be punished on Earth for this horribly violent tragedy.
No matter who committed the crime, a murderer is free to walk the streets.

[hoglover]

I don't feel their will ever be justice for Nona now!

Prayers go out to the families!:rose:

[upallnight]

just heard not guilty is the verdict

[upallnight]

I have not confirmed

[lorettalockhorn]

Wait for an offical source. . . but it's. . .

NOT GUILTY

For Nona. . . :rose:


For Nona and her family. :rose:

Channel 7 has it on a crawl now; not guilty.

[beachbum]

Radio broke in to tell the verdict of Not Guilty! Don't think they would make it up.

[hoglover]

There is almost 100 viewing this right now. It's hard to believe it's over.

[hudnala]

Agreed. IMO no one will ever be punished on Earth for this horribly violent tragedy.
No matter who committed the crime, a murderer is free to walk the streets.
I agree, I hope the citizens of Russellville come down hard on the police for this....

[lorettalockhorn]

Agreed. IMO no one will ever be punished on Earth for this horribly violent tragedy.
No matter who committed the crime, a murderer is free to walk the streets.

Amen. And I agree.

The jury knew that as well; I think the request for information about Jared, indicated that they had reasonable doubt early on, but they made an effort to look at what they had.


BUT I doubt that LE will file this case away.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree, I hope the citizens of Russellville come down hard on the police for this....

Including the cop who touched the phone. When no one came forward with an admission; Bacon should have tested the phone for no other reason than to find out who amongst his officers wouldn't admit to it.

LE needs training; I honestly think that the members of CL could have run a more thorough investigation.

[beachbum]

I agree, I hope the citizens of Russellville come down hard on the police for this....

ITA with you.

[jonikay]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15448

wow

[2lakes]

I agree, I hope the citizens of Russellville come down hard on the police for this....


maybe there should be special task force or FBI handling of homicide crime scenes for small towns that are not used to handling murder investigations.

[hudnala]

maybe there should be special task force or FBI handling of homicide crime scenes for small towns that are not used to handling murder investigations.

ITA, also I said it before I will say it again, I think Bacon knew this was coming and that is why he got the heck out of dodge!

[ordanja]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15448

wow

WOW is right!! I can't believe he would say that!! I hope they find Nona's killer!! :rose:

[optimumprimal78]

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2007/jul/19/kevin-jones-found-not-guilty-dirksmeyer-murder/

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2007/jul/19/kevin-jones-found-not-guilty-dirksmeyer-murder/

At the risk of picking nits, I take issue with the headline that KJ was found "innocent".

Interesting that once again the change of venue was mentioned. I wonder if there is/was really any connection between this board and the defense's motion?

[nobody]

Just because Kevin was found not guilty - that doesn't mean the case is closed - right? There are still other suspects that have not been charged. Is this how court works - we just drop the case from here?

Forgive me - I'm not a Law and Order Fan (or fan of any other television show).

[lorettalockhorn]

WOW is right!! I can't believe he would say that!! I hope they find Nona's killer!! :rose:

Is it really that unusual for a family member to make that kind of remark?

[hoglover]

Is it really that unusual for a family member to make that kind of remark?

I was thinking the same thing!

[lorettalockhorn]

I was thinking the same thing!

Not trying to put down ordanja's remark at all; it just seems like you read that sort of thing from the victims' families.

Actually, he's probably far from the only one who thought it; myself included.

[LurkerNoMore]

Kevin’s been acquitted. For all you who blindly believed in the police and prosecution, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see you now disregard the legal process and to dismiss the notion that justice, at least for Kevin and his family, has been served. In fact, I've already read posts that attempt to do this. But even with the INNOCENT (yes, innocent) verdict, this doesn’t make up for the fact that a year and a half of Kevin's life was taken away by an over-zealous prosecutor and the circus of investigators that pinpointed their man, then worked backwards to make a case. One of you constantly painted a picture of the three, Kevin, Janice, and Ryan, fumbling in the dark. I pray you never find a loved one murdered. But if you did, I’d imagine you might fumble a little bit, too. Wouldn’t we all? You disregard other DNA, other fingerprints, say fingernails probably didn’t have anything to do with anything, and look for every reason why other suspects couldn’t possibly have done this horrible crime. You argued the other suspects out of the picture so easily. Just like the police, you made your mind up and then worked backwards, because it would shake your world if an innocent young man and a good family almost... almost lost everything. It’s easy to think that the police are always right and the accused always did it, but the world’s not that black and white. It’s easy to cast stones, isn’t it? I pray that you never live it. I only witnessed it, what this family went through, but that’s close enough for me to feel a level of anger toward the RPD and David Gibbons that resonates through me. They, collectively, reminded me of our current president, stuck in a disaster but unable to admit mistakes, unable to turn back and unwilling to make it right. But even the president still has his supporters, right? His blind followers. Nona deserved better. Russellville deserves better.

Now you’ll tear apart this statement and insert comments in bold lettering and argue about what I’ve said, but it doesn’t matter. Have at it. God bless Kevin, and God bless Nona. I've said what I needed to say.

[lorettalockhorn]

Kevin’s been acquitted. For all you who blindly believed in the police and prosecution, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see you now disregard the legal process and to dismiss the notion that justice, at least for Kevin and his family, has been served. In fact, I've already read posts that attempt to do this. But even with the INNOCENT (yes, innocent) verdict, this doesn’t make up for the fact that a year and a half of Kevin's life was taken away by an over-zealous prosecutor and the circus of investigators that pinpointed their man, then worked backwards to make a case. One of you constantly painted a picture of the three, Kevin, Janice, and Ryan, fumbling in the dark. I pray you never find a loved one murdered. But if you did, I’d imagine you might fumble a little bit, too. Wouldn’t we all? You disregard other DNA, other fingerprints, say fingernails probably didn’t have anything to do with anything, and look for every reason why other suspects couldn’t possibly have done this horrible crime. You argued the other suspects out of the picture so easily. Just like the police, you made your mind up and then worked backwards, because it would shake your world if an innocent young man and a good family almost... almost lost everything. It’s easy to think that the police are always right and the accused always did it, but the world’s not that black and white. It’s easy to cast stones, isn’t it? I pray that you never live it. I only witnessed it, what this family went through, but that’s close enough for me to feel a level of anger toward the RPD and David Gibbons that resonates through me. They, collectively, reminded me of our current president, stuck in a disaster but unable to admit mistakes, unable to turn back and unwilling to make it right. But even the president still has his supporters, right? His blind followers. Nona deserved better. Russellville deserves better.

Now you’ll tear apart this statement and insert comments in bold lettering and argue about what I’ve said, but it doesn’t matter. Have at it. God bless Kevin, and God bless Nona. I've said what I needed to say.

Ahh The gag order has been lifted.

I've only read one report that KJ was found "innocent"; all others have stated that he was found not guilty.

I think that each and everyone of us would pray that no one ever finds a loved one murdered.

Unless you were in the courtroom, I seriously doubt that you were privy to any more information that any of us.

Welcome and thanks for posting. :seeya: in case we don't see you again.

[TJEddie]

Just as a point of interest.....in today's online ArDemGaz, the article right under the Dirksmeyer article was about two people who had just been tried and convicted in a 20 yr old murder case. The implication was that time had passed, feelings had changed and old secrets had started coming out. Who knows, maybe that will happen in this case. Hopefully it won't take 20 years.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just as a point of interest.....in today's online ArDemGaz, the article right under the Dirksmeyer article was about two people who had just been tried and convicted in a 20 yr old murder case. The implication was that time had passed, feelings had changed and old secrets had started coming out. Who knows, maybe that will happen in this case. Hopefully it won't take 20 years.

I saw that too and somehow, it took me back to the Janie Ward case. All these years and no one has come forward with what probably really happened. There is always hope that the truth will out.

[Brainstorm]

All I can say is I hope Nonas family and friends can keep in mind that God knows what happened and this crime will NOT go unpunished.I believe with all my heart that KJ is quilty.I think time will tell.I think we'll be hearing and seeing more of KJ.His actions from now on will reveal his true colors.
This is a sad day. I am praying for Nonas family and friends.sincerely, brainstorm

[JR2007]

Just as a point of interest.....in today's online ArDemGaz, the article right under the Dirksmeyer article was about two people who had just been tried and convicted in a 20 yr old murder case. The implication was that time had passed, feelings had changed and old secrets had started coming out. Who knows, maybe that will happen in this case. Hopefully it won't take 20 years.
Not going to happen in this case, because the double jeopardy law will not allow it.
The family can sue KJ for wrongful death as the OJ case went.

[ordanja]

Is it really that unusual for a family member to make that kind of remark?

I just think it is unusual for him to say it in the court, where all ears are to hear. I mean after all, did he see the the murder take place?? How can he say that he is guilty, when the jury just found him not guilty?? :shrug: So now no one knows who murder Nona because there is not enough evidence!! Like I said before I hope they find the killer!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I just think it is unusual for him to say it in the court, where all ears are to hear. I mean after all, did he see the the murder take place?? How can he say that he is guilty, when the jury just found him not guilty?? :shrug: So now no one knows who murder Nona because there is not enough evidence!! Like I said before I hope they find the killer!!

Don't know. The judge does usually ask for no comments; but I've read that it happens often enough to think that it's not unusual. Nor unexpected.

I'm with you; I hope that there is resolution.

[hawgustusgloop]

At the risk of picking nits, I take issue with the headline that KJ was found "innocent".

Interesting that once again the change of venue was mentioned. I wonder if there is/was really any connection between this board and the defense's motion?

I don't know. I think they may have realized they needed a change of venue once the alleged "rape party" story was in the Courier.

[ordanja]

Don't know. The judge does usually ask for no comments; but I've read that it happens often enough to think that it's not unusual. Nor unexpected.

I'm with you; I hope that there is resolution.

I think he said it out of anger for the fact that there is still no one paying for price of Nona's death. And the courier just happened to catch it. Maybe KJ really didn't kill her and now they will find who did. Although it will be hard for that to happen, considering the poor job of the RPD. I'm sure there going to look at other suspects, imo. It's just really sad that the real killer may be out there free forever!! What does that show ppl?? That someone got away with a horrible murder. Very, very sad!!

[upallnight]

Kevin’s been acquitted. For all you who blindly believed in the police and prosecution, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see you now disregard the legal process and to dismiss the notion that justice, at least for Kevin and his family, has been served. In fact, I've already read posts that attempt to do this. But even with the INNOCENT (yes, innocent) verdict, this doesn’t make up for the fact that a year and a half of Kevin's life was taken away by an over-zealous prosecutor and the circus of investigators that pinpointed their man, then worked backwards to make a case. One of you constantly painted a picture of the three, Kevin, Janice, and Ryan, fumbling in the dark. I pray you never find a loved one murdered. But if you did, I’d imagine you might fumble a little bit, too. Wouldn’t we all? You disregard other DNA, other fingerprints, say fingernails probably didn’t have anything to do with anything, and look for every reason why other suspects couldn’t possibly have done this horrible crime. You argued the other suspects out of the picture so easily. Just like the police, you made your mind up and then worked backwards, because it would shake your world if an innocent young man and a good family almost... almost lost everything. It’s easy to think that the police are always right and the accused always did it, but the world’s not that black and white. It’s easy to cast stones, isn’t it? I pray that you never live it. I only witnessed it, what this family went through, but that’s close enough for me to feel a level of anger toward the RPD and David Gibbons that resonates through me. They, collectively, reminded me of our current president, stuck in a disaster but unable to admit mistakes, unable to turn back and unwilling to make it right. But even the president still has his supporters, right? His blind followers. Nona deserved better. Russellville deserves better.

Now you’ll tear apart this statement and insert comments in bold lettering and argue about what I’ve said, but it doesn’t matter. Have at it. God bless Kevin, and God bless Nona. I've said what I needed to say.


Not Guilty does not mean he did not kill her, was you there while she was being murdered to id the killer?

[hawgustusgloop]

Kevin’s been acquitted. For all you who blindly believed in the police and prosecution, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see you now disregard the legal process and to dismiss the notion that justice, at least for Kevin and his family, has been served. In fact, I've already read posts that attempt to do this. But even with the INNOCENT (yes, innocent) verdict, this doesn’t make up for the fact that a year and a half of Kevin's life was taken away by an over-zealous prosecutor and the circus of investigators that pinpointed their man, then worked backwards to make a case. One of you constantly painted a picture of the three, Kevin, Janice, and Ryan, fumbling in the dark. I pray you never find a loved one murdered. But if you did, I’d imagine you might fumble a little bit, too. Wouldn’t we all? You disregard other DNA, other fingerprints, say fingernails probably didn’t have anything to do with anything, and look for every reason why other suspects couldn’t possibly have done this horrible crime. You argued the other suspects out of the picture so easily. Just like the police, you made your mind up and then worked backwards, because it would shake your world if an innocent young man and a good family almost... almost lost everything. It’s easy to think that the police are always right and the accused always did it, but the world’s not that black and white. It’s easy to cast stones, isn’t it? I pray that you never live it. I only witnessed it, what this family went through, but that’s close enough for me to feel a level of anger toward the RPD and David Gibbons that resonates through me. They, collectively, reminded me of our current president, stuck in a disaster but unable to admit mistakes, unable to turn back and unwilling to make it right. But even the president still has his supporters, right? His blind followers. Nona deserved better. Russellville deserves better.

Now you’ll tear apart this statement and insert comments in bold lettering and argue about what I’ve said, but it doesn’t matter. Have at it. God bless Kevin, and God bless Nona. I've said what I needed to say.

Welcome to the board! Thank you for your perspective, but I believe the verdict was "not guilty," rather than "innocent." I hope all the other people who have been lurking all this time will choose to post here like you have.

[JR2007]

Just because Kevin was found not guilty - that doesn't mean the case is closed - right? There are still other suspects that have not been charged. Is this how court works - we just drop the case from here?

Forgive me - I'm not a Law and Order Fan (or fan of any other television show).

When the evidence points to one person, there would have to be more new evidence come forward that would indicate someone else, and it ain't a gonna happen.
It's over.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know. I think they may have realized they needed a change of venue once the alleged "rape party" story was in the Courier.


I was just curious; there never seemed to be a lot of support on this board for KJ.

[ordanja]

I was just curious; there never seemed to be a lot of support on this board for KJ.

I support him and his family, but the whole "rape story" was misleading and untrue..

[Mark501]

I felt after last week's testimony that there were too many loose ends in the prosecution's case. Apparently the jury felt the same. I could not have voted guilty.

It has been a worthwhile experience to read the things that all of you have posted. I hope that the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer is someday solved, and that is certainly not above the realm of possibility based on my personal experience with regard to my brother's murder being solved.

People that commit these kind of crimes sometimes have a hard time of living with themselves which leads to drinking, guilt, drugs, other crimes and things that place them in a situation where they feel they have to "Get it out" so to speak, and they let it slip or tell someone what they have done. Hopefully this will happen before someone else is murdered senselessly.

Mark501

[lorettalockhorn]

I support him and his family, but the whole "rape story" was misleading and untrue..

Really? Do tell!

[lorettalockhorn]

I felt after last week's testimony that there were too many loose ends in the prosecution's case. Apparently the jury felt the same. I could not have voted guilty.

It has been a worthwhile experience to read the things that all of you have posted. I hope that the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer is someday solved, and that is certainly not above the realm of possibility based on my personal experience with regard to my brother's murder being solved.

People that commit these kind of crimes sometimes have a hard time of living with themselves which leads to drinking, guilt, drugs, other crimes and things that place them in a situation where they feel they have to "Get it out" so to speak, and they let it slip or tell someone what they have done. Hopefully this will happen before someone else is murdered senselessly.

Mark501

I didn't know that you lost your brother; God bless you and thank God that his murder was solved.

One thing we might be able to assume is that apparently everyone on the jury was in agreement since there was not a hung jury. We can also assume that Jared caused them to have some doubt.

We may never know, but I would be curious how much weight the investigation (lack of it) led to the acquittal and how the jury might feel about not knowing about KJ's drug and alcohol use.

[jonikay]

Channel 4 indicated that Carol Dipert told a local radio station that she might file a civil suit.

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 4 indicated that Carol Dipert told a local radio station that she might file a civil suit.

Just saw that she told the KCAB reporter that. (Is that a Rville station?)

[nobody]

Like Mark said, "Where is the cakepan?" It's not over - I have faith.

[jonikay]

Wow, Carol Dipert talked to channel 7!
She said she feels like justice was not served here today.
Expresses frustration with jurors...there was a lot of evidence involved, but when it comes down to it, it really wasn't that hard of a case. 3 people had a key, the door was not forced, there was not forced entry, and one of those people's handprints is on that lightbulb. Apparently, she told channel 4 that she she will try to find justice for her daughter in civil court.

[JR2007]

I felt after last week's testimony that there were too many loose ends in the prosecution's case. Apparently the jury felt the same. I could not have voted guilty.

It has been a worthwhile experience to read the things that all of you have posted. I hope that the murder of Nona Dirksmeyer is someday solved, and that is certainly not above the realm of possibility based on my personal experience with regard to my brother's murder being solved.

People that commit these kind of crimes sometimes have a hard time of living with themselves which leads to drinking, guilt, drugs, other crimes and things that place them in a situation where they feel they have to "Get it out" so to speak, and they let it slip or tell someone what they have done. Hopefully this will happen before someone else is murdered senselessly.

Mark501
He has been tried for murder and been acquitted. He can tell all of Russellville that he did murder her and the police can not arrest him for murder again. The only recoarse at this time is a civil suit.

[hawgustusgloop]

I think he said it out of anger for the fact that there is still no one paying for price of Nona's death. And the courier just happened to catch it. Maybe KJ really didn't kill her and now they will find who did. Although it will be hard for that to happen, considering the poor job of the RPD. I'm sure there going to look at other suspects, imo. It's just really sad that the real killer may be out there free forever!! What does that show ppl?? That someone got away with a horrible murder. Very, very sad!!

Not just sad, but scary! Whether it was K.Jo, Trey York, some other suspect, or some stranger, there is a murderer who is free in the community IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Not just sad, but scary! Whether it was K.Jo, Trey York, some other suspect, or some stranger, there is a murderer who is free in the community IMO.

We knew that if KJ was acquitted that that would be the case.

[jonikay]

Gibbons told media that they would keep the case open "for a short time," but there was no evidence that indicates another suspect. I wonder what will happen now. I can't imagine the joy that Kevin and his family are feeling right now . . .

[matlock]

who is jared?

[jonikay]

who is jared?
Who the heck knows . . .

[lorettalockhorn]

Leroy says that Channel 11 showed a clip of an interview with Bristow where he stated that the defense has evidence that was not presented to the jury that would prove that KJ was not the perpetrator.

What the?

Why didn't they present the evidence so as to clear KJ's name? His future will be eclipsed by this trial.

[luv2groom]

Kevin’s been acquitted. For all you who blindly believed in the police and prosecution, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see you now disregard the legal process and to dismiss the notion that justice, at least for Kevin and his family, has been served. In fact, I've already read posts that attempt to do this. But even with the INNOCENT (yes, innocent) verdict, this doesn’t make up for the fact that a year and a half of Kevin's life was taken away by an over-zealous prosecutor and the circus of investigators that pinpointed their man, then worked backwards to make a case. One of you constantly painted a picture of the three, Kevin, Janice, and Ryan, fumbling in the dark. I pray you never find a loved one murdered. But if you did, I’d imagine you might fumble a little bit, too. Wouldn’t we all? You disregard other DNA, other fingerprints, say fingernails probably didn’t have anything to do with anything, and look for every reason why other suspects couldn’t possibly have done this horrible crime. You argued the other suspects out of the picture so easily. Just like the police, you made your mind up and then worked backwards, because it would shake your world if an innocent young man and a good family almost... almost lost everything. It’s easy to think that the police are always right and the accused always did it, but the world’s not that black and white. It’s easy to cast stones, isn’t it? I pray that you never live it. I only witnessed it, what this family went through, but that’s close enough for me to feel a level of anger toward the RPD and David Gibbons that resonates through me. They, collectively, reminded me of our current president, stuck in a disaster but unable to admit mistakes, unable to turn back and unwilling to make it right. But even the president still has his supporters, right? His blind followers. Nona deserved better. Russellville deserves better.

Now you’ll tear apart this statement and insert comments in bold lettering and argue about what I’ve said, but it doesn’t matter. Have at it. God bless Kevin, and God bless Nona. I've said what I needed to say.

Well put. I've been here from the start just like you. 12 people decided he was "Not Guilty", when my son called me I cried. God Be with Kevin's family & Nona's Family

[matlock]

Amen. And I agree.

The jury knew that as well; I think the request for information about Jared, indicated that they had reasonable doubt early on, but they made an effort to look at what they had.


BUT I doubt that LE will file this case away.


this is the jared i'm asking about

[hawgustusgloop]

who is jared?

A mysterious texter whom the jury wanted to know more about?

[lorettalockhorn]

this is the jared i'm asking about

Ox posted this earlier today; I asked the same question:

I don't know if it's the same, but from the Courier's coverage of Sara Bailey's testimony:

Quote:
Bailey testified that another classmate, Jared Berry, told her of Dirksmeyer’s death some time between 7 and 10 p.m. on Dec. 15.


It might not be the same person, but it was the only thing I could find.

[matlock]

correct me if i'm wrong, this could possibly be the jared the jury wanted to know more about? hmmm...does anyone else have any details about this kid?

[TJEddie]

Gibbons told media that they would keep the case open "for a short time," but there was no evidence that indicates another suspect. I wonder what will happen now. I can't imagine the joy that Kevin and his family are feeling right now . . .

Gibbons is a prosecuting attorney. Isn't it up to LE to determine how long a case is kept open?

[lorettalockhorn]

correct me if i'm wrong, this could possibly be the jared the jury wanted to know more about? hmmm...does anyone else have any details about this kid?

I believe so; last night one of the stations reported that the jury had requested information about Jared, who had texted Nona the day before (I am paraphrasing). Patterson told them that they could only consider evidence presented at trial.

I'll readily admit to being clueless, I had forgotten his name from Bailey's testimony.

[christina]

"Presumption of innocence is a legal right that the accused in criminal trials has in many modern nations. It states that no person shall be considered guilty until finally convicted by a court. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to convince the court that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In principle, the defense does not have to 'prove' anything. However, the defense may present evidence tending to show that there is a doubt as to the guilt of the accused.

Many people believe that presumption of guilt is unfair and even immoral because it allows the strategic targeting of any individual, since it's often difficult to firmly establish proof of innocence (for example, it's often impossible to establish an alibi if the person is home alone at the time of the crime)."


Found this definition. Jones was innocent at the begininng of the trial and the jury did not change that, they confirmed it.

[oxfordwebster]

I'm absolutely disgusted. The defense did not clear up any of the evidence or alibi for Kevin. The jury was allowed to go home in the middle of their damn deliberation, opening themselves to both the media, friends talking, and possibly even this board, where we've had some very suspicious activity going on regarding people posting about the case.

I hope they do go after him in civil court. I hope all of the people who were dragged in the mud over this, who held on for that guilty verdict, go after him and his defense team as hard as possible.

I hope those jurors explain their decision. They owe it to Nona's family. If they don't say anything, I think it's going to say a lot.

Again. I'm disgusted.

[TJEddie]

Thanks, christina. You're a peach.

[oxfordwebster]

Leroy says that Channel 11 showed a clip of an interview with Bristow where he stated that the defense has evidence that was not presented to the jury that would prove that KJ was not the perpetrator.I hope this was heard wrong, because if it's true, Bristow is the most incompetent defense attorney I've ever heard of.

Then again, I've been hearing some of the things that the lawyers have been saying on the TV cameras. They can say whatever they want now, and no one will hold them accountable. The only people who know differently are those of us who followed.

[lorettalockhorn]

I hope this was heard wrong, because if it's true, Bristow is the most incompetent defense attorney I've ever heard of.

Then again, I've been hearing some of the things that the lawyers have been saying on the TV cameras. They can say whatever they want now, and no one will hold them accountable. The only people who know differently are those of us who followed.

What is most ridic about this, if true, is that if the defense has proof positive and hasn't presented it; it stymies a new investigation.

Once again, however you look at it, a killer is free tonight.

[Its just me]

Wait for an offical source. . . but it's. . .

NOT GUILTY

For Nona. . . :rose:


For You FDInLaw :rose:
For Nona and all who love her. :rose: :rose:

Prayers, Love and Support.....IJM

[oxfordwebster]

I'd like some confirmation that the jury was not tainted by outside sources, considering that they were allowed to go home in the middle of a deliberation.

After seeing some of the purposeful manipulation by Kevin supporters in this very thread, I'd also like to know if they accessed the internet while at home and read the postings by the accounts created conveniently this week to discuss topics such as York and other issues.

If no one can confirm the juror's activities, and if no jurors will explain why they went with this verdict, then I think it says a lot.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'd like some confirmation that the jury was not tainted by outside sources, considering that they were allowed to go home in the middle of a deliberation.

After seeing some of the purposeful manipulation by Kevin supporters in this very thread, I'd also like to know if they accessed the internet while at home and read the postings by the accounts created conveniently this week to discuss topics such as York and other issues.

If no one can confirm the juror's activities, and if no jurors will explain why they went with this verdict, then I think it says a lot.


I will tentatively say hear hear.

While I have every respect for the judicial process and this jury's verdict, I wonder what weight the investigation carried, compared to Kevin's strong motivation to kill Nona and his lack of a solid alibi.

I also wonder what role group think and concensus played in the verdict.

[christina]

Gibbons is a prosecuting attorney. Isn't it up to LE to determine how long a case is kept open?

NO, police gave it to him. From here out it is totally Gibbons call.

[christina]

I'd like some confirmation that the jury was not tainted by outside sources, considering that they were allowed to go home in the middle of a deliberation.

After seeing some of the purposeful manipulation by Kevin supporters in this very thread, I'd also like to know if they accessed the internet while at home and read the postings by the accounts created conveniently this week to discuss topics such as York and other issues.

If no one can confirm the juror's activities, and if no jurors will explain why they went with this verdict, then I think it says a lot.

I think this is a good question. I would like to assume the jury followed the judge's insturctions and did not read, nor listen, nor discuss the case. However there were several asking that same thing in the courtroom today. My observations when the jury came in this morning is they all have very serious looks, hardly sat down and were more than ready to be sent to the deliberation room. When asked about lunch they told the bailiff they preferred to stay put and have something brought in because they were making progress. I asked what evidence they asked for and was told they wanted the video interview with Jones, the light bulb and some other misc. items. The fact that they deliberated from 9 am until 2:30 tells me they carefully went things, and dicsussed them before coming up with a verdict. When they came back into the courtroom I did not see any signs of tension or backslpapping among them,. Again, they were very serious looking.
If it were a case of groupthink, I believe they would have come back with a verdict sooner.
As for jurors explaining their thoughts/decision, I overheard the prosecutor ask the clerk for a list of the jurors and their contact information. So I would assume he is going to be asking them.
I also heard a rumor that one of the jurors did not tell the lawyers in voir dire that she was a school mate of Gibbons.

[christina]

I will tentatively say hear hear.

While I have every respect for the judicial process and this jury's verdict, I wonder what weight the investigation carried, compared to Kevin's strong motivation to kill Nona and his lack of a solid alibi.

I also wonder what role group think and concensus played in the verdict.

What proof do you have of this?

[oxfordwebster]

What proof do you have of this?Ah, yes. Proof. Maybe you can tell us what exactly the defense did to show that Kevin couldn't have placed the print at any other time than when he found her. I've yet to get a satisfactory answer, and since you've just been so diligent in following this case, maybe you can let us in on the big secret.

[christina]

For You FDInLaw :rose:
For Nona and all who love her. :rose: :rose:

Prayers, Love and Support.....IJM

Agreed. It was terrible seeing her family's reaction today. Numb explains it. Loretta is right-Dipert's outburst was understandable as was his daughter's standing between he and others. Carol Dipert was calm and went up to the bench and shook the judge's hand before leaving the courtroom.

[christina]

Ah, yes. Proof. Maybe you can tell us what exactly the defense did to show that Kevin couldn't have placed the print at any other time than when he found her. I've yet to get a satisfactory answer, and since you've just been so diligent in following this case, maybe you can let us in on the big secret.

Your tone here tells me I shouldn't take this bait, but I will once again explain the print on the bulb as I viewed the testimony( and practiced when I got home). From an old post of mine--

"At 3:15 today Chief Bacon was brought to the stand and the first piece of evidence(other than Kevin being at Nona's apartment because he admitted to finding her) tying Jones to the scene was introduced- the bloody palm print on the light bulb. I thought to myself, this jury has sat here for an entire week and they are just now seeing this. Remember- they supposedly have only seen/heard what has been presented in court to them.
Bacon was a solid and believable witness. The key moment was when the prosecutor asked him to get up and show how the print was placed on the bulb- what position in relation to the way the lamp/lightbulb is laying next to the body, was the print placed on it. Sorry if this gets confusing but bear with me while I try to explain. We are looking at the TV with a crime scene photo of Nona's body and surroundings while the prosecutor and Bacon are standing in front of the jury acting it out. She is face up, perpendicular to her left is the part of the lamp with the bulb on it. The bulb is closest to her body about 1-2 feet away. Between her body and the bulb is blood on the carpet. There is no visible blood on the carpet on her right side. Bacon explains that the palm print is on the side of the bulb towards her feet. (if facing the bulb it is on your right) The palm is up with the fingers down.
The prosecutor asks Bacon if he could place his palm print on it while straddling the body. Bacon imitates that and reaches out as far away from his body as he can with his right arm. It is apparant it is possible. One of the jurors shrugged their shoulders, looked at another juror and mouthed "so what".
My thought was that Whiteside testified she was face down and Kevin turned her over. Kevin in his interview says he isnt sure but thinks she was face up, then another time says something like she was either face up or down but all he remembered was that he grabbed her and tried mouth to mouth and held her to keep her warm.
In the picture you see the blood on the carpet on her left side closest to the lightbulb. If she were face down, that is most likely where she would have been before being turned over. All have testified it was dark(the EMT testified it was dark and she had to turn the light on). It is not just plausible, but probable he touched the lightbulb when he got to her body and is telling the truth when he said he didn't think he touched the light."


"Sit in that position on the floor with something a foot from you and see if it is possible that in the dark while flailing around it is probable you would touch it.
What I saw/heard was that people in the courtroom, including the jurors saw that probablity."

[christina]

Ah, yes. Proof. Maybe you can tell us what exactly the defense did to show that Kevin couldn't have placed the print at any other time than when he found her. I've yet to get a satisfactory answer, and since you've just been so diligent in following this case, maybe you can let us in on the big secret.

Also, what I was asking Loretta for was Kevin's "strong motive" to kill Nona and his lack of alibi.

[oxfordwebster]

"Sit in that position on the floor with something a foot from you and see if it is possible that in the dark while flailing around it is probable you would touch it.
What I saw/heard was that people in the courtroom, including the jurors saw that probablity."You know, I figure someone flailing about in the dark (it wasn't dark if they could read from some mail) that it would smear the print, considering that it was made in blood. It would have been a hard print to read then, yes?

Christina, I'm not trying to bait you. I genuinely want to know why, considering that there was no evidence of blood clotting in the blood that made the print, that Kevin was able to somehow get blood on his hands that avoided all of the other coagulated blood when he discovered her?

I don't believe the story about it being dark and he was flailing about. The print was made in blood and it would have been a smear and not a print, unless he just somehow flailed about incredibly calmly, and his hand happened to land gently on the bulb with enough straight pressure to leave a print. Behind him.

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm absolutely disgusted. The defense did not clear up any of the evidence or alibi for Kevin. The jury was allowed to go home in the middle of their damn deliberation, opening themselves to both the media, friends talking, and possibly even this board, where we've had some very suspicious activity going on regarding people posting about the case.

I hope they do go after him in civil court. I hope all of the people who were dragged in the mud over this, who held on for that guilty verdict, go after him and his defense team as hard as possible.

I hope those jurors explain their decision. They owe it to Nona's family. If they don't say anything, I think it's going to say a lot.

Again. I'm disgusted.

Well said, and I agree. I know he was found not guilty, but I feel the same way as you do.

[Results]

I realize this is hard to hear Not Guilty for some of you and FDInlaw I watched you from the beginning and supported you all the way and were very informative and patient when I had questions and I know this has had to break your heart to hear this verdict. A jury was chosen to try this case and before I start slandering or judging this jury I would like more information of how they arrived at their decision. So at this time I don't think I can make an accurate judgement not knowing how they arrived at this decision.

For FDInlaw for all your work God bless you! :rose:

Nona may you RIP! :rose:

For Nona's family I hope that the jury will give a statement saying what made them reach their verdict...at least you will know why and how they could reach this verdict. :rose:

I want to send out a very special rose tonight for Nona's Mother....I'm so sorry for your loss and I hope that you will know the why and how because I certainly believe you have the right to know how they reached their verdict on your daughter's death. In a bad situation you not only showed your character in that courtroom but you showed your class and dignity when you shook the judges hand before you left the court room. God bless you and my prayers go out to you and hope that you get the answers you deserve!

:rose: :rose: For Nona's Mother :rose: :rose:

[hoglover]

who is jared?

This is what I would like to know?! It's pretty ironic there's a two week trial and plenty of witnesses and they ask for who, Jared???? Where did that come from? You just don't ever know what the jury is thinking do ya?Hmmmm... I just can't help but to think about Nona's family. :rose: I hope they do go after him in civil court too!! moo!

[hawgustusgloop]

I'd like some confirmation that the jury was not tainted by outside sources, considering that they were allowed to go home in the middle of a deliberation.

After seeing some of the purposeful manipulation by Kevin supporters in this very thread, I'd also like to know if they accessed the internet while at home and read the postings by the accounts created conveniently this week to discuss topics such as York and other issues.

If no one can confirm the juror's activities, and if no jurors will explain why they went with this verdict, then I think it says a lot.

IMO "purposeful manipulation" is an understatement. Personally, I don't understand why, if K.Jo is innocent, that his supporter(s) would have to resort to such nasty and manipulative acts toward well-intentioned posters on this board. How sad and shameful. I would be surprised if K.Jo's attorneys had zero knowledge of this, and wonder if they didn't have a hand in it.

[hoglover]

IMO "purposeful manipulation" is an understatement. Personally, I don't understand why, if K.Jo is innocent, that his supporter(s) would have to resort to such nasty and manipulative acts toward well-intentioned posters on this board. How sad and shameful. I would be surprised if K.Jo's attorneys had zero knowledge of this, and wonder if they didn't have a hand in it.

Haven't most of you thought this all along? Kj's attorneys or family was posting here and trying to stir things up some. I sure do!

[upallnight]

[QUOTE=oxfordwebster;8916225]I'm absolutely disgusted. The defense did not clear up any of the evidence or alibi for Kevin. The jury was allowed to go home in the middle of their damn deliberation, opening themselves to both the media, friends talking, and possibly even this board, where we've had some very suspicious activity going on regarding people posting about the case.

I hope they do go after him in civil court. I hope all of the people who were dragged in the mud over this, who held on for that guilty verdict, go after him and his defense team as hard as possible.

I hope those jurors explain their decision. They owe it to Nona's family. If they don't say anything, I think it's going to say a lot.

Again. I'm disgusted.[/QUOTE

I totally agree, I have been on jury duty before, it is not like they monitor what you watch, what you do on your time at home etc., this was not a good thing. Kevin's brother works for channel 5, they report on this case and seemed to sometimes be on the side of the defense IMO. I wonder what all the jury members did while at home or where ever they went. Ozark is also a very small town..... I don't know who did this to Nona but I do know this trial should have been taken to the point of not allowing the jury to go home while in deliberations. That is when you have time to think on your own, but a jury should not be allowed the freedom to read, watch TV, etc., they should have not have been given to opportunity to look at anything but the evidence before them. This was a MURDER CASE! Maybe laws should be born from this.
I assure you anyone who believes in KJ would have thought the jury should not have been allowed to go home during deliberations if the jury had found him guilty I think they should have been in sequest either way.

I do not want an innocent person convicted of any crime if this should be the case here, but I do feel since the trial was moved due to publicity, maybe the jury should have been in sequest the entire length of the trial. Alot of he said-she said in many places for roaming eyes, ears, etc-.

:shrug:

[Mark501]

How strange, I don't recollect anyone suggesting the jury should have been sequestered before the verdict.

501

[Mishell1383]

WHAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT GUILTY!!!
YOUR KIDDING ME RIGHT!?

[hawgustusgloop]

WHAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT GUILTY!!!
YOUR KIDDING ME RIGHT!?

Well, that's what the verdict was.

:rose: for Nona's family

[lorettalockhorn]

What proof do you have of this?

KJ's lies are the proof.

He would not have felt the necessity to lie to LE about the nature of his relationship with Nona if love/sex/control wasn't a motive. He would never have classified his relationship as "very, very exclusive". Further, he would never have told LE that Nona cancelled her date with her Little.

I realize that even though you were in the courtroom for every minute of the trial, that you didn't report the "Little" lie to the board. (Perhaps you were in the ladies' room.) But with the number of lies that KJ told, I would have to classify him as a liar.

And just to clarify; you are one of the ones who not only thought that KJ was not guilty before hearing all of the evidence and testimony; you have added to the proposition that York is guilty of the crime. York of course, was not on trial. And according to your own post earlier, if he was, you should never have made the judgement until it was proven.

At least some of us waited for the last of the testimony (myself, waiting for the alibi), before we decided that Kevin Jones murdered Nona Dirksmeyer.

Note: The Little's testimony that the date for Chinese was still on really bugs me. If the fact that KJ lied about Nona cancelling the date was posted here (besides jonikay's post earlier), please someone let me know.

[luv2groom]

Haven't most of you thought this all along? Kj's attorneys or family was posting here and trying to stir things up some. I sure do!

KJ"S friends and family have not been posting on this Kevin bashing website. As the old saying goes keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

[hawgustusgloop]

KJ's lies are the proof.

He would not have felt the necessity to lie to LE about the nature of his relationship with Nona if love/sex/control wasn't a motive. He would never have classified his relationship as "very, very exclusive". Further, he would never have told LE that Nona cancelled her date with her Little.

I realize that even though you were in the courtroom for every minute of the trial, that you didn't report the "Little" lie to the board. (Perhaps you were in the ladies' room.) But with the number of lies that KJ told, I would have to classify him as a liar.

And just to clarify; you are one of the ones who not only thought that KJ was not guilty before hearing all of the evidence and testimony; you have added to the proposition that York is guilty of the crime. York of course, was not on trial. And according to your own post earlier, if he was, you should never have made the judgement until it was proven.

At least some of us waited for the last of the testimony (myself, waiting for the alibi), before we decided that Kevin Jones murdered Nona Dirksmeyer.

Great post! I agree, and I am still waiting on that alibi before I believe for a second he didn't do it, given all the lies he told.

[hawgustusgloop]

KJ"S friends and family have not been posting on this Kevin bashing website. As the old saying goes keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

This is absolutely false. And as for that saying, wouldn't that apply to people pretending to be sympathetic or friendly, but who are really trying to manipulate people in an unethical way?

[oxfordwebster]

KJ"S friends and family have not been posting on this Kevin bashing website. As the old saying goes keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.Sorry, but I'm going to call BS. It's not my place to start outing people, but you're extremely naive if you think this.

[lorettalockhorn]

KJ"S friends and family have not been posting on this Kevin bashing website. As the old saying goes keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

There is just no way to know that. But if this is a Kevin bash site, wouldn't "keeping your enemies closer" mean that they should have been posting here and befriending us?

[oxfordwebster]

Does anyone else find it odd that the defense rested so soon? I seem to remember reading reports that it surprised people in the courtroom...

I don't know. It just seems kind of funny, in combination with a jury that spent one night watching a video, and then only 5-6 hours working on a verdict that flies in the face of Kevin's lack of an alibi, lies, and the evidence.

[hoglover]

KJ's lies are the proof.

He would not have felt the necessity to lie to LE about the nature of his relationship with Nona if love/sex/control wasn't a motive. He would never have classified his relationship as "very, very exclusive". Further, he would never have told LE that Nona cancelled her date with her Little.

I realize that even though you were in the courtroom for every minute of the trial, that you didn't report the "Little" lie to the board. (Perhaps you were in the ladies' room.) But with the number of lies that KJ told, I would have to classify him as a liar.

And just to clarify; you are one of the ones who not only thought that KJ was not guilty before hearing all of the evidence and testimony; you have added to the proposition that York is guilty of the crime. York of course, was not on trial. And according to your own post earlier, if he was, you should never have made the judgement until it was proven.

At least some of us waited for the last of the testimony (myself, waiting for the alibi), before we decided that Kevin Jones murdered Nona Dirksmeyer.

Note: The Little's testimony that the date for Chinese was still on really bugs me. If the fact that KJ lied about Nona cancelling the date was posted here (besides jonikay's post earlier), please someone let me know.

One of the best I have heard yet! Where's the alibi to all of you who support Kevin? I probably won't get a response.

[hoglover]

KJ"S friends and family have not been posting on this Kevin bashing website. As the old saying goes keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

I rest my case. Hmmm.....

[hoglover]

WHAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT GUILTY!!!
YOUR KIDDING ME RIGHT!?


Yeah, I am in complete agreement.

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone else find it odd that the defense rested so soon? I seem to remember reading reports that it surprised people in the courtroom...

I don't know. It just seems kind of funny, in combination with a jury that spent one night watching a video, and then only 5-6 hours working on a verdict that flies in the face of Kevin's lack of an alibi, lies, and the evidence.

I was surprised to say the least. Where was Jeremy Martin; the one who "lied about his relationship with Nona"? The one who was mentioned every little whipstitch? The defense took the time to malign him in the media, but didn't give him the chance to refute their slander/libel. I guess that York and Jared provided the reasonable doubt that they needed and the D recognized that. After all, York was tried and convicted (on this board) without ever being indicted.

[TJEddie]

Does anyone else find it odd that the defense rested so soon? I seem to remember reading reports that it surprised people in the courtroom...

I don't know. It just seems kind of funny, in combination with a jury that spent one night watching a video, and then only 5-6 hours working on a verdict that flies in the face of Kevin's lack of an alibi, lies, and the evidence.

I was a bit surprised when the defense rested without calling some expected witnesses, but when I thought about it, I realized they had already accomplished their task. As Gibbons said in his closing arguments, "The palm print was the case." In the end, that wasn't enough for a conviction. There were too many questions left unanswered and too many stones left unturned. If Kevin is guilty, the prosecution simply failed to prove it, IMO.

[christina]

KJ's lies are the proof.

He would not have felt the necessity to lie to LE about the nature of his relationship with Nona if love/sex/control wasn't a motive. He would never have classified his relationship as "very, very exclusive". Further, he would never have told LE that Nona cancelled her date with her Little.

I realize that even though you were in the courtroom for every minute of the trial, that you didn't report the "Little" lie to the board. (Perhaps you were in the ladies' room.) But with the number of lies that KJ told, I would have to classify him as a liar.

And just to clarify; you are one of the ones who not only thought that KJ was not guilty before hearing all of the evidence and testimony; you have added to the proposition that York is guilty of the crime. York of course, was not on trial. And according to your own post earlier, if he was, you should never have made the judgement until it was proven.

At least some of us waited for the last of the testimony (myself, waiting for the alibi), before we decided that Kevin Jones murdered Nona Dirksmeyer.

Note: The Little's testimony that the date for Chinese was still on really bugs me. If the fact that KJ lied about Nona cancelling the date was posted here (besides jonikay's post earlier), please someone let me know.


I think someone else said it here- a lie is intentional, what matters is what Kevin's definiton is.
You are correct, I never heard this. It was not said by Kevin as I watched his voluntary interview in its entirety.
Again, correct, I had my list of what would convince of his innocence, and my list was satisfied by that point. Also remember however, I told you that I believed he was guilty the minute I heard about the murder but tried to keep an open mind in case I was called for jury duty.
Like the police, I do think York is a suspect in this crime.
Touche'
Loretta, with all due respect, I do not think you are being honest here. Your posts all along have spoken of your belief of his guilt. You were one of the first to challenge anyone who questioned his guilt and your posts since the verdict seem to confirm that belief as well.

[christina]

I was a bit surprised when the defense rested without calling some expected witnesses, but when I thought about it, I realized they had already accomplished their task. As Gibbons said in his closing arguments, "The palm print was the case." In the end, that wasn't enough for a conviction. There were too many questions left unanswered and too many stones left unturned. If Kevin is guilty, the prosecution simply failed to prove it, IMO.

If you look back at the witness list the prosecution cut many more witnesses than the defense, some we were all waiting to hear from to help their case. The often spoken of FBI profiler for one.

[TJEddie]

I was surprised to say the least. Where was Jeremy Martin; the one who "lied about his relationship with Nona"? The one who was mentioned every little whipstitch? The defense took the time to malign him in the media, but didn't give him the chance to refute their slander/libel. I guess that York and Jared provided the reasonable doubt that they needed and the D recognized that. After all, York was tried and convicted (on this board) without ever being indicted.

If anybody has tried and convicted Trey York (on this board or anywhere else) I missed it. However, I agree with your suggestion that Trey York provided reasonable doubt in this case.....he did for me, anyway.

[oxfordwebster]

If you look back at the witness list the prosecution cut many more witnesses than the defense, some we were all waiting to hear from to help their case. The often spoken of FBI profiler for one.Would you care to comment on the lack of Kevin's alibi? On the fresh blood print that showed no coagulation? On the blatant lies that Kevin told the police?

If anybody has tried and convicted Trey York (on this board or anywhere else) I missed it. However, I agree with your suggestion that Trey York provided reasonable doubt in this case.....he did for me, anyway.So did you just miss the flux of new posters who conveniently made all of their first posts be about how Trey could have done it?

[lorettalockhorn]

I think someone else said it here- a lie is intentional, what matters is what Kevin's definiton is.
You are correct, I never heard this. It was not said by Kevin as I watched his voluntary interview in its entirety.
Again, correct, I had my list of what would convince of his innocence, and my list was satisfied by that point. Also remember however, I told you that I believed he was guilty the minute I heard about the murder but tried to keep an open mind in case I was called for jury duty.
Like the police, I do think York is a suspect in this crime.
Touche'
Loretta, with all due respect, I do not think you are being honest here. Your posts all along have spoken of your belief of his guilt. You were one of the first to challenge anyone who questioned his guilt and your posts since the verdict seem to confirm that belief as well.


I have said over and again that I was waiting for the defense to provide KJ with an alibi; especially in light of LE's poor attempt at a thorough investigation. It's in my history. You, among others rushed to judgement. It's in your history. I believe that you stated that Kevin was innocent soon after the beginning of the trial when you posted your "goodbye cb" statement.
Please don't presume to make judgement on my honesty. I'll hold you and your unbiased reports in the same regard that you hold me and my posts, no less, no more.
Whatevah.

[christina]

I have said over and again that I was waiting for the defense to provide KJ with an alibi; especially in light of LE's poor attempt at a thorough investigation. It's in my history. You, among others rushed to judgement. It's in your history. I believe that you stated that Kevin was innocent soon after the beginning of the trial when you posted your "goodbye cb" statement.
Please don't presume to make judgement on my honesty. I'll hold you and your unbiased reports in the same regard that you hold me and my posts, no less, no more.
Whatevah.

I am sorry you see me this way Loretta. I have truly tried to be fair, honest and real here.

[lorettalockhorn]

If anybody has tried and convicted Trey York (on this board or anywhere else) I missed it. However, I agree with your suggestion that Trey York provided reasonable doubt in this case.....he did for me, anyway.

Don't know how long you've been reading; but since you only registered on the 13th, you may have missed the posts that flat out stated with certainty that York was guilty, took his final exam too quickly, had no alibi, couldn't have possibly driven from ATU to Paradise Donuts by 9am, was guilty because he didn't have a gasoline receipt, ad nauseum, ad infinitum. Of course, some of those posts may even have been deleted and may not be available unless they were quoted.

If York wasn't the scapegoat, then maybe Jared? was.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am sorry you see me this way Loretta. I have truly tried to be fair, honest and real here.

Huh?

(Well, you can't just say huh?; message has to be longer.)

Look, we just don't have the same logic and philosophy. What's wrong with that? I really don't think that is any reason to question someone else's honesty.

[oxfordwebster]

You know, I came really close to telling all of this to go straight to hell, shutting it all out, and forgetting everything.

Then I realized that while we still have all of these unanswered questions, that no one should stop yelling about it. Everyone should be yelling as loudly as possible about it, as often as possible, and enough so that nobody involved in this can get away from it.

These questions must be answered.

I kind of wish that everyone with a "Justice for Nona" bumper sticker should put a big white question mark after the word "justice" and keep on displaying it.

[TJEddie]

Don't know how long you've been reading; but since you only registered on the 13th, you may have missed the posts that flat out stated with certainty that York was guilty, took his final exam too quickly, had no alibi, couldn't have possibly driven from ATU to Paradise Donuts by 9am, was guilty because he didn't have a gasoline receipt, ad nauseum, ad infinitum. Of course, some of those posts may even have been deleted and may not be available unless they were quoted.

If York wasn't the scapegoat, then maybe Jared? was.

Well, first things first. I didn't register here on the 13th. I registered back during the Casey Crowder case and posted pretty regularly on that thread. This is just the next case that caught my interest enough to go back to posting. In this case, I had no interest in posting until the trial began and the real evidence was presented.

In addition to keeping up during the trial, I have done some backreading on this thread. I repeat, I have seen no one try and convict Trey York. IMO, all of the things you list in your post are valid questions in relation to his possible involvement in this crime. They are certainly questions in my mind....and your list doesn't even include some of my biggest questions.

And why would posts questioning Trey York's possible involvement be deleted? He was a witness in this trial and his testimony was part of the case.

[hawgustusgloop]

Would you care to comment on the lack of Kevin's alibi? On the fresh blood print that showed no coagulation? On the blatant lies that Kevin told the police?

So did you just miss the flux of new posters who conveniently made all of their first posts be about how Trey could have done it?

Let us not forget the ones who apparently only registered at CL message boards to solve the case real quick for us all by casting suspicion on Duane Dipert!:rolleyes:

[TJEddie]

oxfordwebster: "So did you just miss the flux of new posters who conveniently made all of their first posts be about how Trey could have done it?"

Hahaha! Miss them? Honey, I was one of them! I just went back and checked my posts and sure enough, I opened up with, "There are a few things that bother me about Trey York..."

Sorry if that offends, but there are things that bother me about Trey York. In fact, they bothered me so much that they apparently are what prompted me to make my first post.

Does that put me on some kind of a watch list or something?

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, first things first. I didn't register here on the 13th. I registered back during the Casey Crowder case and posted pretty regularly on that thread. This is just the next case that caught my interest enough to go back to posting. In this case, I had no interest in posting until the trial began and the real evidence was presented.

In addition to keeping up during the trial, I have done some backreading on this thread. I repeat, I have seen no one try and convict Trey York. IMO, all of the things you list in your post are valid questions in relation to his possible involvement in this crime. They are certainly questions in my mind....and your list doesn't even include some of my biggest questions.

And why would posts questioning Trey York's possible involvement be deleted? He was a witness in this trial and his testimony was part of the case.

I see that your registration date goes back to '06. Just your recent posts are showing, sorry for not paying closer attention.

There have been many comments about York by pro-State and pro-defense proponents both. I haven't gone back to look today, but there may be well be quite a few posts convicting him of Nona's murder that have been deleted.

The point that I am trying to make, is that if it is wrong to deem KJ guilty before the trial has even started (let alone finished), it is 1) equally wrong to discount testimony made after day two of the trial, and 2) wrong to convict a witness of the crime, when he is not on trial.

Just went back and looked; don't think any posts have been deleted.

[TJEddie]

Peace, Loretta. I think maybe you and I just have different perceptions of what constitutes questioning/suspecting someone vs. convicting them. It's been a long day.

[oxfordwebster]

oxfordwebster: "So did you just miss the flux of new posters who conveniently made all of their first posts be about how Trey could have done it?"

Hahaha! Miss them? Honey, I was one of them! I just went back and checked my posts and sure enough, I opened up with, "There are a few things that bother me about Trey York..."

Sorry if that offends, but there are things that bother me about Trey York. In fact, they bothered me so much that they apparently are what prompted me to make my first post.

Does that put me on some kind of a watch list or something?"flux of new posters who conveniently made all of their first posts"

Just to make it a little clearer for you to understand, I'm referencing newly created accounts. If you don't believe there has been nothing shady going on in this thread, then you should look back at its history since the beginning. You wouldn't be surprised.

[lorettalockhorn]

Peace, Loretta. I think maybe you and I just have different perceptions of what constitutes questioning/suspecting someone vs. convicting them. It's been a long day.

Peace! It has been a long day; it didn't hit me until just about time to miracle something onto the table.

I was all ready to be suspicious of York too, until I read (maybe misread) that maybe the Door Pounding Man and/or the Garbage Toting Man might have been Dipert or HJones. I'm telling you, if Martin had made it to the stand; he would have been the one Who Done It according to some.

[TJEddie]

"flux of new posters who conveniently made all of their first posts"

Just to make it a little clearer for you to understand, I'm referencing newly created accounts. If you don't believe there has been nothing shady going on in this thread, then you should look back at its history since the beginning. You wouldn't be surprised.

All I can say, oxford, is that I would assume those posters are like me. When the trial began, I came here with little detailed knowledge of the case, but fully expecting Kevin to be proven guilty and convicted. As things began to unfold, however, questions about Trey York really jumped out at me. Had I not had a previous account here, I would have created one to express my thoughts on it. My questions about Trey were just that compelling.

I don't know what kind of "shady" behavior you're referring to in this thread's history. I will tell you, however, that not everyone who doubts Kevin's guilt or suspects Trey's involvement is here with an agenda. I know because I'm one of them.

[TJEddie]

Peace! It has been a long day; it didn't hit me until just about time to miracle something onto the table.

I was all ready to be suspicious of York too, until I read (maybe misread) that maybe the Door Pounding Man and/or the Garbage Toting Man might have been Dipert or HJones. I'm telling you, if Martin had made it to the stand; he would have been the one Who Done It according to some.

If I'm not mistaken, Door Pounder/Garbage Toter wore leather wrist bands....unlikely attire for an older man, IMO. I believe Trey admitted to wearing leather wrist bands, and all other things taken into account, I'm deducing it was him....until and unless I see evidence to the contrary. And that's been the problem in this case, IMO.....suspicious or questionable things just left hanging out there open to question. It's a shame, really.

[lorettalockhorn]

If I'm not mistaken, Door Pounder/Garbage Toter wore leather wrist bands....unlikely attire for an older man, IMO. I believe Trey admitted to wearing leather wrist bands, and all other things taken into account, I'm deducing it was him....until and unless I see evidence to the contrary. And that's been the problem in this case, IMO.....suspicious or questionable things just left hanging out there open to question. It's a shame, really.

Yeah, I think that it was crappy (can we say that?) Channel 5 that first alerted us to the fact that York wears the leather wrist bands that Bean described. I was being a little facetious when I made the remark about DPM/GTM being Dipert or Jones the elder, but someone did remark about him/them. DD was one of the first men who posters suspected. Then there was quite a bit of interest in Martin (that I guess will never be discussed again), next our attention was diverted to York and finally to Jared?. I would love to know what made the jury so interested in Jared over any of the other known or unknown suspects in this saga.

At any rate, with the trial over, I can quit watching Channel 5!! What could be wrong with that?

[studdy05]

Time to face the cold hard facts here. It's regroup time. And having done my share of wrong in this world, I can tell you justice comes in many forms and not always from the courts.

IF he did it, no matter what the jury said, and they did say he was innocent because innocent is legally equal to not guiltly, no matter what they said, IF he did it HE has a sociopathic mindset and will find his way in to prison one way or the other. I have seen this personally over and over. At his age, the fact that he got away with murder will eat at him on so many levels that he will break the law again - Christ complex - meaning he believes he can get away with anything. Even saying who lives or dies. And he will get exactly his due.

IF he did not do it, justice has truely been served, and he will live a normal and productive life in society and be a valuable member to society.

In this case, in 20 years we can and will reflect on today's decision and judge its merits.

Meanwhile, since justice has said this man is innocent, justice demands a full re-examination of everything from word go to find out who, what, where, when, why and how this went wrong. The cry in here should be to keep going until we get it right.

Let us not forget either, that a similar wreckless life of a beautiful young Arkansan Casey Crowder and her family have to go through this same tribulation with a trial yet to come. I pray Thomas Deen the DA covers every base some resolution comes from that.

Now might not be the time for healing, but tearing down each other is not the answer. Get together and get the resolve to have this settled using good people and good science. It is never too late.

Just my two cents. Regroup time.

[hawgustusgloop]

Yeah, I think that it was crappy (can we say that?) Channel 5 that first alerted us to the fact that York wears the leather wrist bands that Bean described. I was being a little facetious when I made the remark about DPM/GTM being Dipert or Jones the elder, but someone did remark about him/them. DD was one of the first men who posters suspected. Then there was quite a bit of interest in Martin (that I guess will never be discussed again), next our attention was diverted to York and finally to Jared?. I would love to know what made the jury so interested in Jared over any of the other known or unknown suspects in this saga.

At any rate, with the trial over, I can quit watching Channel 5!! What could be wrong with that?

My personal favorites from KFSM were the headline "Defense Expert says Jones Not a Murderer" and the constant use of the phrase "beauty queen murder trial." I wouldn't be surprised at all if they ended up with some "exclusive" K.Jo interviews, though.

[TJEddie]

Yeah, I think that it was crappy (can we say that?) Channel 5 that first alerted us to the fact that York wears the leather wrist bands that Bean described. I was being a little facetious when I made the remark about DPM/GTM being Dipert or Jones the elder, but someone did remark about him/them. DD was one of the first men who posters suspected. Then there was quite a bit of interest in Martin (that I guess will never be discussed again), next our attention was diverted to York and finally to Jared?. I would love to know what made the jury so interested in Jared over any of the other known or unknown suspects in this saga.

At any rate, with the trial over, I can quit watching Channel 5!! What could be wrong with that?

Hahaha! I am too tired when I start taking facetious remarks seriously! FWIW, I am a loyal sort....I have not allowed my head to be swayed at the mere mention of a "Jared." I will stick with Trey as my favorite "looks hinky, might have done it, I don't buy all of his story" guy. (Until I see evidence blah, blah, blah, of course.)

And now I am off to bed.....tomorrow will be another day of rehashing, no doubt! Nite, Loretta.

[FKfanMoe]

Haven't most of you thought this all along? Kj's attorneys or family was posting here and trying to stir things up some. I sure do!

Well there was some juvenile posturing and assorted BS awhile back. Nothing of substance, OC, as is usual with such cowards.

As for the trial, I still think Jones did it, or was a party to it. He was the one with the most likely motive and bringing his mom along to help "discover" the body? Please!

Sadly the Russellville PD totally messed up the crime scene, whether its due to ineptness/inexperience or just plain stupidity. The three methods of attack on Nona still bothers me. Why were the slashes and cuts so superfical and why didn't the killer use the knife to kill her? Was the slasher one person and the choker/bludgeoner another person? It would explain how she didn't have defense wounds, if she was being held while being stabbed.

I am no police officer but even I know you secure a homicide scene and don't allow people to wander all over it. The jury may have felt there was enough doubt to vote not guilty, but felt he may have done it. Not guilty is NOT the same as innocent.

My condolences go out to Nona's family.

:rose:

[FKfanMoe]

All I can say, oxford, is that I would assume those posters are like me. When the trial began, I came here with little detailed knowledge of the case, but fully expecting Kevin to be proven guilty and convicted. As things began to unfold, however, questions about Trey York really jumped out at me. Had I not had a previous account here, I would have created one to express my thoughts on it. My questions about Trey were just that compelling.

I don't know what kind of "shady" behavior you're referring to in this thread's history. I will tell you, however, that not everyone who doubts Kevin's guilt or suspects Trey's involvement is here with an agenda. I know because I'm one of them.


Agreed. I am for the TRUTH, and I have no personal knowledge of any of the parties in this case. If there is evidence that Trey is involved in the murder, well I want to see the proof. Same for Jones and Whiteside.

The sad thing about this is that whatever evidence that WASN'T contaminated by the PD may not be sufficent to prove WHO did this terrible crime. Bear in mind that the Russellville PD during this time has had to deal with a leader change and accusations of letting a prisoner die. I'm not excusing the bad handling of the crime scene. But inall honesty that was shoddy and sloppy!
:mad:

Jones had THREE lawyers. Why not just one good one?

Some years ago there was the R. Gene Simmons murder case where after murdering 12 members of his own family in Dover, Simmons drove to Russellville in a cross-town shooting spree, killing those he had a grudge against. From what I remember that case was handled better than this one, police wise." Zero at the Bone" is the book about this case.

[FKfanMoe]

KJ"S friends and family have not been posting on this Kevin bashing website. As the old saying goes keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Your account is from this month and you have only two posts. Considering the many pages of this topic, I highly doubt you read it all from the beginning. It took me a few days to do that myself, and I am using a frigging dialup connection. dagnabit!

As far as this being a "kevin bashing" web site, look again. This is a COURT TV message board, not a web site dedicated to bashing Jones. This is about the MURDER of Nona, which you haven't mentioned. If Jones is innocent, I want to see proof. The fact is Jones DID lie to the police about certain details. There are too many things about this case to convince me Jones had at least something to hide about this.

I do not think Jones is innocent of this and I suspect he had an accomplice. Rememebr that Nona was his first GF since he was 16 and he might have seen her with another guy. That would hurt badly enough to react in rage.

[FKfanMoe]

Just saw that she told the KCAB reporter that. (Is that a Rville station?)


Yes KCAB is a Russellvile station..

[FKfanMoe]

maybe there should be special task force or FBI handling of homicide crime scenes for small towns that are not used to handling murder investigations.

Generally a good idea, except that local police aren't fond of the feds. If you've read the FBI profiler books, you may have come across stories of the local police being resentful of the feds moving in to the investigation. Way back in the J. Edgar Hoover days the FBI was known for grandstanding, taking credit for cases and basically running roughshod over local jurisdiction. Those local police who do in fact care deeply to solve a case and worked hard at it, rightly resented the intrusion. It was a bit territorial invasion type of thing.

So some FBI guy or gal coming in and saying in effect "give me your hard work and step aside" isn't going to sit well with even the most benevolent police officer.

[FKfanMoe]

Couldn't these marks that are referred to as hesitation marks in the knife wound on her neck come from a steak knife? Would a serrated edge knife cause these types of marks? I seem to recall reading that a steak knife was found on the counter some where near the condom wrapper. And Nona's blood was found on the stove or handle to the stove. So maybe the killer used the steak knife and then washed it at the kitchen sink before leaving.
Was a knife ever entered into evidence? If not, why not? Did LE not ever find the knife that made the cuts or stab wounds?

There was a knife found near the body but one of the DUMB****s at the scene picked it up and put it on the table. I don't remember if it was a steak knife or not.

This may or may not be pertinent but "" hesitation marks" in terms of cuts also apply to someone cutting themself to make it seem they were attacked, or ( if I rememebr correctly) some suicides have hesitation marks. Now I heard a rumor from a lady who had freinds in Dover that Nona was supposedly a cutter, a person who cuts herself as part of dealing with other pain. I have no proof either way if Nona did habitually cut herself, so this may not be true. From what little I do know about cutters, they don't cut their throat or face.

[sololobo]

Kevin Jones was found not guilty by an un-biased jury of his peers. I respect their decision and I agree with it. It is time to move on and find the real killer.

[oxfordwebster]

Kevin Jones was found not guilty by an un-biased jury of his peers. I respect their decision and I agree with it. It is time to move on and find the real killer.Yes, because every question we have about this verdict has been sufficiently answered and there is absolutely no chance that guilty people can get off because they have good lawyers. (And hell, looking at the testimony, their defense was laughable.)

Let's just have a witch hunt now and tear apart other peoples' lives because this jury is obviously the most intelligent, unbiased, pristine bunch of people in this great nation. Let's throw York, Duane Dipert, and Jeremy Martin in jail. Let's go throw Jared in jail too, even though we don't know anything about him.

What a joke.

[oxfordwebster]

From the Courier:


In response to defense allegations that James “Trey” York or other persons with whom Dirksmeyer “had controversy” might have been involved in the murder, Gibbons told reporters, “all of those people were investigated by the Russellville Police Department and other law enforcement officials and were alibied.

“I don’t see any evidence at all that would compel me to bring charges against anyone else other than the person that was tried. But we’ll keep the [investigation] file open for a while.”

[hawgustusgloop]

I wonder if and when the Diperts will file a wrongful death suit against K.Jo?

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if and when the Diperts will file a wrongful death suit against K.Jo?


Good morning CB. :seeya:

Don't know about when, but the report that Channel 7(?) showed last night at 6:00 made it sound definite. She didn't tell the reporter when. Wonder who her attorney might be?

[hawgustusgloop]

Good morning!

Here's an article with some quotes from one of the jurors:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/196134/


Such as this one:

The killer “did a terrible deed, and I pray to God they bring to justice the man that done it,” the juror said.

[oxfordwebster]

The killer “did a terrible deed, and I pray to God they bring to justice the man that done it,” the juror said.“We were led by the evidence and guided by God,” he added.

I'm sorry, but as spiritual as I am, I'm extremely uncomfortable by this already. I'd like to know which, if any juror, started claiming in the deliberation room that they were hearing from God.

Ludicrous.

[lorettalockhorn]

Good morning!

Here's an article with some quotes from one of the jurors:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/196134/


Such as this one:

The killer “did a terrible deed, and I pray to God they bring to justice the man that done it,” the juror said.

Thanks, Hawg. Still reading the papers; the Gazette moved the case from the Arkansas section to 1A, above the fold, with a good size pic of KJ and mom.

[beachbum]

My personal favorites from KFSM were the headline "Defense Expert says Jones Not a Murderer" and the constant use of the phrase "beauty queen murder trial." I wouldn't be surprised at all if they ended up with some "exclusive" K.Jo interviews, though.



Don't know if anyone has reported this but I believe that KJ's older brother is a news achor at KFSM in Ft. Smith. Probably why getting alot of coverage.

[optimumprimal78]

I was just wondering something. When KJ said that it had been a "tough time" did he not stop and think that for the last year and a half that he had been getting to live his life just like it was before (only having to stop to take a drug test every now and then)? On top of that when Bristow came out and spoke he was kind of cocky (and rightfully so since he "won" the case) and pulls the old "justice was served(woo hooing in he head)....I hope the victims family finds it now". That bothers me that they didn't have that much respect for the deceased. Also, I don't have a problem with DD shouting at KJ because if it was any of us that was related to the victim we would be hard pressed to keep our mouth shut.

I guess it also disturbs me that when the prosecutor said that he was the only one that they focused on they basically told the public, the jury, and everyone else that this is it and this is the only guy that could have done it. Yet the jury didn't have enough evidence. There's just too many things that bug me about the whole situation.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was just wondering something. When KJ said that it had been a "tough time" did he not stop and think that for the last year and a half that he had been getting to live his life just like it was before (only having to stop to take a drug test every now and then)? On top of that when Bristow came out and spoke he was kind of cocky (and rightfully so since he "won" the case) and pulls the old "justice was served(woo hooing in he head)....I hope the victims family finds it now". That bothers me that they didn't have that much respect for the deceased. Also, I don't have a problem with DD shouting at KJ because if it was any of us that was related to the victim we would be hard pressed to keep our mouth shut.

I guess it also disturbs me that when the prosecutor said that he was the only one that they focused on they basically told the public, the jury, and everyone else that this is it and this is the only guy that could have done it. Yet the jury didn't have enough evidence. There's just too many things that bug me about the whole situation.

About those drug tests; I strongly feel that the condition of bond should have stated that they would be random. That KJ was to report to the PCDC by 4pm Friday, gave him too much leeway to drink or do drugs and still be able to pass a test.

Re other suspects, from today's Courier:

In response to defense allegations that James "Trey" York or other persons with whom Dirksmeyer "had controversy" might have been involved in the mujrder, Gibbons told reporters, "all of those people were investigated by the Russellville Policee Department and other law enforcement officials and were alibied.

Also, someone mentioned earlier this morning that the knife at the scene was moved to the coffee table. I do remember reading that about Nona's cell phone, but had never read that about the knife. Did I missed something?

[christina]

Time to face the cold hard facts here. It's regroup time. And having done my share of wrong in this world, I can tell you justice comes in many forms and not always from the courts.

IF he did it, no matter what the jury said, and they did say he was innocent because innocent is legally equal to not guiltly, no matter what they said, IF he did it HE has a sociopathic mindset and will find his way in to prison one way or the other. I have seen this personally over and over. At his age, the fact that he got away with murder will eat at him on so many levels that he will break the law again - Christ complex - meaning he believes he can get away with anything. Even saying who lives or dies. And he will get exactly his due.

IF he did not do it, justice has truely been served, and he will live a normal and productive life in society and be a valuable member to society.

In this case, in 20 years we can and will reflect on today's decision and judge its merits.

Meanwhile, since justice has said this man is innocent, justice demands a full re-examination of everything from word go to find out who, what, where, when, why and how this went wrong. The cry in here should be to keep going until we get it right.

Let us not forget either, that a similar wreckless life of a beautiful young Arkansan Casey Crowder and her family have to go through this same tribulation with a trial yet to come. I pray Thomas Deen the DA covers every base some resolution comes from that.

Now might not be the time for healing, but tearing down each other is not the answer. Get together and get the resolve to have this settled using good people and good science. It is never too late.

Just my two cents. Regroup time.

Thank you for these thoughtful words.

[nobody]

Like many, this investigation has drawn my eyes away from normal day-to-day events. I find myself re-reading events, hoping to find something, anything. The defense' parent was my only acquantance but I found myself questioning her son, the presumed and understandable motive, and the alleged cover ups. I'm finding it hard to peel my eyes away, but I want to bring closure in my own mind. The prosecution expressed that they did their best and presented all the evidence they could find - maybe it is time to bring in some professionals - with adequate experience.

[christina]

There was a knife found near the body but one of the DUMB****s at the scene picked it up and put it on the table. I don't remember if it was a steak knife or not.

This may or may not be pertinent but "" hesitation marks" in terms of cuts also apply to someone cutting themself to make it seem they were attacked, or ( if I rememebr correctly) some suicides have hesitation marks. Now I heard a rumor from a lady who had freinds in Dover that Nona was supposedly a cutter, a person who cuts herself as part of dealing with other pain. I have no proof either way if Nona did habitually cut herself, so this may not be true. From what little I do know about cutters, they don't cut their throat or face.

Where did you get this information? The only knife entered into evidence was a serrated one on the kitchen counter by the condom wrapper. It was phtotgraphed and collected by the RPD the next day. It was tested and nothing was found on it. No one testified it was moved. It was testified to that the cell phone was originally on the floor then moved to the coffee table.

[christina]

I wonder if and when the Diperts will file a wrongful death suit against K.Jo?

I think the time for a civil suit has run out. I think it is counted from the time of the death, not the verdict.

[christina]

Good morning!

Here's an article with some quotes from one of the jurors:

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/196134/


Such as this one:

The killer “did a terrible deed, and I pray to God they bring to justice the man that done it,” the juror said.

Thanks for the link. I wish I could put the jurors name to a face.

[optimumprimal78]

I know that they could not charge KJ again with the same crime (first degree murder) because of double jeopardy but couldn't they charge him with something else like voluntary manslaughter (maybe that is same thing) or some lesser/almost as harsh crime if they really wanted to and believed he was the only one possible of committing the murder?

[christina]

Juror Kevin Cobb said after court Thursday that “there just wasn’t enough evidence” to convict Jones.
Cobb expressed a similar wish.

The killer “did a terrible deed, and I pray to God they bring to justice the man that done it,” the juror said.

Asked about a light bulb with Jones’ bloody palm print investigators found at the murder scene, Cobb said, “We couldn’t put that at the time of the crime.”

[christina]

I know that they could not charge KJ again with the same crime (first degree murder) because of double jeopardy but couldn't they charge him with something else like voluntary manslaughter (maybe that is same thing) or some lesser/almost as harsh crime if they really wanted to and believed he was the only one possible of committing the murder?

Jones can not be criminally tried again for Nona's death.

[optimumprimal78]

Jones can not be criminally tried again for Nona's death.

Thanks just wondering.

[christina]

Generally a good idea, except that local police aren't fond of the feds. If you've read the FBI profiler books, you may have come across stories of the local police being resentful of the feds moving in to the investigation. Way back in the J. Edgar Hoover days the FBI was known for grandstanding, taking credit for cases and basically running roughshod over local jurisdiction. Those local police who do in fact care deeply to solve a case and worked hard at it, rightly resented the intrusion. It was a bit territorial invasion type of thing.

So some FBI guy or gal coming in and saying in effect "give me your hard work and step aside" isn't going to sit well with even the most benevolent police officer.

A detective with the Arkansas State Police was present at the scene but was only asked to perform peripheral duties outside the apartment. She testified to her limited involvement and came across as an intelligent woman. It is too bad the RPD(all men) did not include her further. We also never heard from the FBI expert profilers. I was looking forward to hearing from them as I have a great deal of respect for that field.

[matlock]

I was just wondering something. When KJ said that it had been a "tough time" did he not stop and think that for the last year and a half that he had been getting to live his life just like it was before (only having to stop to take a drug test every now and then)? On top of that when Bristow came out and spoke he was kind of cocky (and rightfully so since he "won" the case) and pulls the old "justice was served(woo hooing in he head)....I hope the victims family finds it now". That bothers me that they didn't have that much respect for the deceased. Also, I don't have a problem with DD shouting at KJ because if it was any of us that was related to the victim we would be hard pressed to keep our mouth shut.

I guess it also disturbs me that when the prosecutor said that he was the only one that they focused on they basically told the public, the jury, and everyone else that this is it and this is the only guy that could have done it. Yet the jury didn't have enough evidence. There's just too many things that bug me about the whole situation.


Again I say, Give me a break!! First of all, Kevin has been out of sight for the past year and a half. Also, a tough year would be finding you girlfriend dead, being accused of her murder, and then having an entire county(not to mention being slandered in the paper) against you for the most part while being part of your family losing its business and possibly everything else. I just prey that the Jones family is not torn apart by this. I know they are strong I just hope they will be able to prevail. I think people on this board should stop assuming you know what these people are going through.

[lorettalockhorn]

Re: the comment in Pat Lynch's blog yesterday about the possiblity of Patterson's error in not allowing the jury to consider lesser charges:

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:abgLX4hjt6IJ:courts.state.ar.us/opinions/old/CR94-717A.html+arkansas+supreme+court+herbert+jones+les ser+charges+plegge&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

I couldn't search the Arkansas Supreme Court's website due to construction or something, but found this cached article. Basically, the court found that Judge Plegge had erred when he didn't instruct a jury (in a first degree murder case) that they could consider second degree murder or manslaughter as an alternative to the 1st degree charge. Despite the fact that the judge erred, of course, the defendant could not be retried.

The reason that I even bring it up is because I wonder if there had been other options open to the jury if they would have felt more comfortable with a guilty verdict.