Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[jonikay]

LOL Well, there is plenty of reasonable doubt there..... guess it all comes to a matter of personal opinion.....

Funny, you should mention Frazier, I heard he was a decent and honest guy.....
Reasonable doubt? Even with the jury given a bunch of seemingly nonsensical information from both sides, where did Kevin say he was between 1030 and 1130?

[lorettalockhorn]

The '05 directory would have actually been printed sometime in '04, so it would seem it could be from somewhere else....

Just looked at it again, it is dated May 2005 and is intended for use through May 2006. It's very possible that she had another apartment, for some reason I thought that this was her first experience living away. Maybe it was her first experience living alone. I simply don't know. Just trying to answer someone's question to the best of my ability without blowing smoke.

[hawgustusgloop]

>snip<
At 3pm the defense called Janice Jones. Carol Dipert got up and left the room and came back a few minutes later. Ms Jones was visibly shaky, asked for water and teared up a few times. Jones teared up watching the testimony as well. The defense lawyer had her go through the events since Jones had come home from Fytville. She gave basically the same account Jones and Whiteside gave of that afternoon and discovering the body. In my opinion, as with other witnesses, it will boil down to whether the jury sees them as truthful and sincere. Whe her testimony ended, she was told she could now remain in the courtroom(as had been said to the grandma), she got off the stand looking dazed and although someone lead her to a seat she kept walking out the door and we heard her burst into literal sobs. I saw Carol Dipert look at the woman next to her, shake her head and smirk.
Court ended at 4:20 and the lawyers once again approached the bench.....

These reactions could be interpreted many ways. JJones could have been upset by the surreal idea of testifying in her son's murder trial or just super nervous. As far as I know, the Jones family is religious and have attended church regularly for a long time. So, I wonder if these reactions were something more.....maybe JJones and K.Jo, in their emotional reactions, were thinking of the possible ramifications of lying under oath, the ones that have nothing to do with the law? I don't know exactly what she said on the stand, and I have no way of knowing whether she told the truth or not, but do you think she would lie to save her baby boy? What about Granny?

What was K.Jo's reaction to the crime scene photos? Was it at all similar to Nona's mom's reaction? I find it interesting that his mom's testimony made him tear up.

[jonikay]

Just looked at it again, it is dated May 2005 and is intended for use through May 2006. It's very possible that she had another apartment, for some reason I thought that this was her first experience living away. Maybe it was her first experience living alone. I simply don't know. Just trying to answer someone's question to the best of my ability without blowing smoke.
You know, she moved out of her mom's house in May of 2004. Just a few days after she graduated high school. I guess she was eager to get away. She lived with her roommate for a few months. I don't know if she had another roommate on Elmira or if she lived by herself until she moved to Inglewood. For some reason, though, I am thinking that she lived alone for around a year.

[jonikay]

These reactions could be interpreted many ways. JJones could have been upset by the surreal idea of testifying in her son's murder trial or just super nervous. As far as I know, the Jones family is religious and have attended church regularly for a long time. So, I wonder if these reactions were something more.....maybe JJones and K.Jo, in their emotional reactions, were thinking of the possible ramifications of lying under oath, the ones that have nothing to do with the law? I don't know exactly what she said on the stand, and I have no way of knowing whether she told the truth or not, but do you think she would lie to save her baby boy? What about Granny?

What was K.Jo's reaction to the crime scene photos? Was it at all similar to Nona's mom's reaction? I find it interesting that his mom's testimony made him tear up.
The Courier (I don't know about online) stated that JJones testified that she did not see Kevin touch anything in the apartment that night. It was hard for her, but I believe that she was telling the truth and I also believe that she even said that she was telling the truth. It must have been difficult for her to testify to the fact that she didn't see him touch anything, what with his bloody print on the murder weapon and all. For what it's worth, I think she is telling the truth.

[TJEddie]

I think that talking about York as a suspect at this point isn't working. Well, it's working, but as far as an alibi is concerned . . . If they went back and charged him, even if he had an alibi at the time, it's been almost 2 years. During his testimony, he named several people that saw him studying and packing in his apartment and taking the stuff to his car. If they went back and checked out those people (if they haven't already), nobody will remember what they need to concerning his alibi, imo. The Jones family wouldn't have remembered where KJ was every few minutes on December 15, 2005 if asked about it on July 17, 2007. Unless they find his prints/dna on the evidence, he won't be charged. Don't you think?

I have not seen this reported. If Trey did indeed have witnesses verifying his whereabouts throughout his timeline, then I agree that he is not a viable suspect. I have not seen any verification of his whereabouts between 11 and 1.....do you recall where this was reported?

As for people remembering something that long ago, I've thought about that. Although you and I might not remember something from Dec. 15, 2005, these people have reason to remember. You can bet that when timelines/alibis were first published, people involved immediately thought back and stored their own recollections of the times in question.

[hawgustusgloop]

The Courier (I don't know about online) stated that JJones testified that she did not see Kevin touch anything in the apartment that night. It was hard for her, but I believe that she was telling the truth and I also believe that she even said that she was telling the truth. It must have been difficult for her to testify to the fact that she didn't see him touch anything, what with his bloody print on the murder weapon and all. For what it's worth, I think she is telling the truth.

Thank you for clearing that up. That makes good sense. Maybe that was why they were both so upset. That would be VERY SIGNIFICANT for the jury IMO, if his own mother said she didn't see him touch anything, and his palm print is on the supposed murder weapon in what is described as the victim's fresh blood.

[jonikay]

I have not seen this reported. If Trey did indeed have witnesses verifying his whereabouts throughout his timeline, then I agree that he is not a viable suspect. I have not seen any verification of his whereabouts between 11 and 1.....do you recall where this was reported?

As for people remembering something that long ago, I've thought about that. Although you and I might not remember something from Dec. 15, 2005, these people have reason to remember. You can bet that when timelines/alibis were first published, people involved immediately thought back and stored their own recollections of the times in question.
At the trial, as I was sitting there. That's where I heard Trey's testimony. As for these people have reason to remember, I don't necessarily think that's true in Trey's case, being that if those people were questions, it probably wasn't more than once, and didn't amount to anything since he wasn't charged. A college student, with their busy schedules and seeing 1,000 or more people walk by a day, probably wouldn't remember something so seemingly insignificant, imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, she moved out of her mom's house in May of 2004. Just a few days after she graduated high school. I guess she was eager to get away. She lived with her roommate for a few months. I don't know if she had another roommate on Elmira or if she lived by herself until she moved to Inglewood. For some reason, though, I am thinking that she lived alone for around a year.


Thanks for jogging my memory. I do think that she had a roommate on Elmira. Didn't she testify? Something about how security conscious Nona was?

[jonikay]

Yes. About how Nona would lock the girl out when she'd take the trash out. She always, always locked the door. Nona and this girl would even fight about it. Also, she wouldn't answer the door for anybody unless they knocked and called her on her cell phone to let her know who it was.

[hudnala]

I wonder if they looked into where his texting/phone signal was coming from in order to verify his position.

I do not know if they did or not. I thought they only did for KJ; BUT SusieQ responded differently....Can anyone out there clear this up. Did they determine where TY signal's came from? or just KJ:shrug: ?

[lorettalockhorn]

The Courier (I don't know about online) stated that JJones testified that she did not see Kevin touch anything in the apartment that night. It was hard for her, but I believe that she was telling the truth and I also believe that she even said that she was telling the truth. It must have been difficult for her to testify to the fact that she didn't see him touch anything, what with his bloody print on the murder weapon and all. For what it's worth, I think she is telling the truth.

I think you're exactly right about how difficult it was for her to state that about him not touching anything to her recollection. The Courier states that she told the jury several times that she was telling the truth.

I was little surprised at her reaction to Robbins' question about the genuineness of KJ's concern. From the Courier: But Jones seems confused, as though she could not understand why Robbins would ask such a question.
"I wouldn't say that it was feigned at all," she said, half-scandalized, half-undertain.

I would have thought that he would have told her beforehand what to expect to be asked.

[hudnala]

At the trial, as I was sitting there. That's where I heard Trey's testimony. As for these people have reason to remember, I don't necessarily think that's true in Trey's case, being that if those people were questions, it probably wasn't more than once, and didn't amount to anything since he wasn't charged. A college student, with their busy schedules and seeing 1,000 or more people walk by a day, probably wouldn't remember something so seemingly insignificant, imo.

Jonikay,
Are you saying that during TY's testimony he was able to give his where abouts from 11 -1?.....

[jonikay]

I do not know if they did or not. I thought they only did for KJ; BUT SusieQ responded differently....Can anyone out there clear this up. Did they determine where TY signal's came from? or just KJ:shrug: ?
Even if they did check Trey's signals, they would have shown up in Russellville, close to Nona's apartment since ATU and everywhere he said he went are in Russellville. He said he texted her at 1104 from Tech and 1258 from the Exxon by the interstate. Both of those places are close to Nona's apartment anyway. I haven't heard that they checked his calls with the towers.

[TJEddie]

At the trial, as I was sitting there. That's where I heard Trey's testimony. As for these people have reason to remember, I don't necessarily think that's true in Trey's case, being that if those people were questions, it probably wasn't more than once, and didn't amount to anything since he wasn't charged. A college student, with their busy schedules and seeing 1,000 or more people walk by a day, probably wouldn't remember something so seemingly insignificant, imo.

I can understand your logic under typical circumstances. However, when one of those 1000 people turns out to to be involved in a highly publicized murder trial, I think a seemingly insignificant recollection of seeing them that day would suddenly become very significant. There's no reason to recall what the other 999 were doing, but there is reason to remember what that person was doing. I think that just by taking note of it, comparing it to published timelines, possibly being questioned about it, it would be saved in one's memory. But we can call a truce on it.

[jonikay]

Jonikay,
Are you saying that during TY's testimony he was able to give his where abouts from 11 -1?.....
Well . . . yes, unless you choose not to believe it, which I don't choose to do. Trey said he finished his test around 11, went back to his dorm to pack, texting Nona around this time. He was by himself, so had to make many trips down to his car to get all the stuff. He named 3 people that he saw while packing and taking his stuff down. He had to go to Hastings to drop off a movie, which probably took him around 15-20 minutes, since it was during lunch time. It probably took him around 10-15 minutes to get to the Exxon that he went to. About 10 minutes to get gas. I call it the New China exit, but I don't know the exit number. He got gas. While getting gas, he texted Nona to tell her nevermind about the cake pan. All of this, especially the trip through Russellville and the gas, probably took quite a while. And then he left for Ashdown. He explained his whereabouts several times during his testimony.

[jonikay]

I can understand your logic under typical circumstances. However, when one of those 1000 people turns out to to be involved in a highly publicized murder trial, I think a seemingly insignificant recollection of seeing them that day would suddenly become very significant. There's no reason to recall what the other 999 were doing, but there is reason to remember what that person was doing. I think that just by taking note of it, comparing it to published timelines, possibly being questioned about it, it would be saved in one's memory. But we can call a truce on it.
You know, you're right. But if we can compare questioning of Trey's alibi to the investigation as a whole, that could make things seem a little different . . . ya know what I mean? The people that saw Trey, if questioned at all, probably didn't have to write it down or give a real statement or anything.

[hawgustusgloop]

Well . . . yes, unless you choose not to believe it, which I don't choose to do. Trey said he finished his test around 11, went back to his dorm to pack, texting Nona around this time. He was by himself, so had to make many trips down to his car to get all the stuff. He named 3 people that he saw while packing and taking his stuff down. He had to go to Hastings to drop off a movie, which probably took him around 15-20 minutes, since it was during lunch time. It probably took him around 10-15 minutes to get to the Exxon that he went to. About 10 minutes to get gas. I call it the New China exit, but I don't know the exit number. He got gas. While getting gas, he texted Nona to tell her nevermind about the cake pan. All of this, especially the trip through Russellville and the gas, probably took quite a while. And then he left for Ashdown. He explained his whereabouts several times during his testimony.

Are you talking about Exit 81, the one right by campus? Where is Hastings? Is it still located sort of near Exit 84, by where Walmart and JCPenney are, or at least were, when I lived there? I have been having trouble figuring out where he drove, although I don't think it really matters because I don't think for a second he's the killer.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15416

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15413

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15412

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15411

[jonikay]

Are you talking about Exit 81, the one right by campus? Where is Hastings? Is it still located sort of near Exit 84, by where Walmart and JCPenney are, or at least were, when I lived there? I have been having trouble figuring out where he drove, although I don't think it really matters because I don't think for a second he's the killer.
Hastings is now close to Kmart. The new one was built close to the old one. Yes, It's exit 81 right by the campus. He drove from Tech to Hastings back to Exxon. He had an Exxon gas card. That's the reason he went to that particular gas station. Then, home to Ashdown. I don't think he's the killer, either . . .

[hudnala]

Well . . . yes, unless you choose not to believe it, which I don't choose to do. Trey said he finished his test around 11, went back to his dorm to pack, texting Nona around this time. He was by himself, so had to make many trips down to his car to get all the stuff. He named 3 people that he saw while packing and taking his stuff down. He had to go to Hastings to drop off a movie, which probably took him around 15-20 minutes, since it was during lunch time. It probably took him around 10-15 minutes to get to the Exxon that he went to. About 10 minutes to get gas. I call it the New China exit, but I don't know the exit number. He got gas. While getting gas, he texted Nona to tell her nevermind about the cake pan. All of this, especially the trip through Russellville and the gas, probably took quite a while. And then he left for Ashdown. He explained his whereabouts several times during his testimony.
Thank you for clarifying that for me!

[hawgustusgloop]

Is this woman related to K.Jo's family, or is it just a coincidence that her last name is Jones? Does anyone know?

Well, in the Courier article, it says Paula Brown, so I guess it was just a mistake.

[hawgustusgloop]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"Two gas station patrons, Ed Whitehead and Ken Hottinger, testified they saw Jones at the gas station the afternoon of Dec. 15 and Jones did not exhibit any indication of stress or anxiety. The men told the jury Jones was “cutting up” and joking with them."

At some point (a LONG time ago) on this thread, didn't someone post a link to a video from one of the news stations that had footage of K.Jo laughing at Nona's funeral? That is what this reminded me of.

[jonikay]

Well, in the Courier article, it says Paula Brown, so I guess it was just a mistake.
Am I mistaken or was it Paula Jones that tried to sue Bill Clinton for sexual harassment way back when? Is that why you (or whoever) put the "Jones" at the end of this Paula, or is it a conspiracy? Haha. . .I think it's a funny mistake.

[jonikay]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"Two gas station patrons, Ed Whitehead and Ken Hottinger, testified they saw Jones at the gas station the afternoon of Dec. 15 and Jones did not exhibit any indication of stress or anxiety. The men told the jury Jones was “cutting up” and joking with them."

At some point (a LONG time ago) on this thread, didn't someone post a link to a video from one of the news stations that had footage of K.Jo laughing at Nona's funeral? That is what this reminded me of.
And really, as far as murder and alibi are concerned, who gives a rip? You know, if someone is crazy enough to commit such a brutal attack, resulting in death, then they are crazy enough to act as if nothing ever happened.

[lorettalockhorn]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"Two gas station patrons, Ed Whitehead and Ken Hottinger, testified they saw Jones at the gas station the afternoon of Dec. 15 and Jones did not exhibit any indication of stress or anxiety. The men told the jury Jones was “cutting up” and joking with them."

At some point (a LONG time ago) on this thread, didn't someone post a link to a video from one of the news stations that had footage of K.Jo laughing at Nona's funeral? That is what this reminded me of.

That is chilling.

[hawgustusgloop]

That is chilling.

I don't think the link works anymore, but I found the original post from Page 8 of this thread:

I browsed the pageant site and found this link posted today. This is the first time I have seen this video. It shows Kevin laughing at the funeral.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0306/315437.html

If someone figures out how to view this video, please let me know.

[TJEddie]

To be fair, today's funerals have typically turned into "celebrations of the life of....." Humorous stories are told, mourners are encouraged to laugh at happy memories, etc. Unless a person is filmed laughing at a clearly inappropriate moment, I wouldn't be too quick to jump to negative conclusions.

[hawgustusgloop]

Hastings is now close to Kmart. The new one was built close to the old one. Yes, It's exit 81 right by the campus. He drove from Tech to Hastings back to Exxon. He had an Exxon gas card. That's the reason he went to that particular gas station. Then, home to Ashdown. I don't think he's the killer, either . . .

Thank you. I didn't know about the Exxon card, either. That makes perfect sense.

[TJEddie]

I don't think the link works anymore, but I found the original post from Page 8 of this thread:



If someone figures out how to view this video, please let me know.

Click on the title in red beside the picture at the top of the article....that will start the video. I watched it and it shows him talking to some friends outside the church. It looks like a girl says something to him and they both laugh in response. Based on my own funeral experiences, I didn't consider it damning.

[hawgustusgloop]

Has anyone tried to put together a timeline of where the defense says K.Jo was all day on December 15?

Also, didn't one of those Courier articles say that Janice Jones got up at midnight on the 14th to talk to K.Jo until 3 a.m.? Does this refer to the night prior to the murder or two nights before? I wonder what they discussed?

When did K.Jo actually get to Russellville, and when did he go to his parents' house? IIRC, somewhere I read that he arrived earlier without his parents' knowledge and stayed with Nona, but when?

[hawgustusgloop]

Click on the title in red beside the picture at the top of the article....that will start the video. I watched it and it shows him talking to some friends outside the church. It looks like a girl says something to him and they both laugh in response. Based on my own funeral experiences, I didn't consider it damning.

Thank you. I think I watched it when I first saw it, but I thought they had taken the video portion out. I forgot that it had a very small excerpt of K.Jo talking on the 911 call. Also, I didn't think Duane Dipert seemed even remotely "hotheaded" in that interview.

[lorettalockhorn]

Click on the title in red beside the picture at the top of the article....that will start the video. I watched it and it shows him talking to some friends outside the church. It looks like a girl says something to him and they both laugh in response. Based on my own funeral experiences, I didn't consider it damning.

I guess what I find notable about it, is that Chelsea wrote in her blog that Kevin was beside himself for a week or thereabouts. I believe that she said that she sat with him every night; he was crying and distraught. Yet, he may have very well been the one posting under his identity on the pageant board the night of Nona's funeral. I think that he is capable of displaying paradoxical emotions and mercurial behavior as well.

[hawgustusgloop]

This is posted as "BREAKING NEWS" on the KFSM site:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6801052

[lorettalockhorn]

Has anyone tried to put together a timeline of where the defense says K.Jo was all day on December 15?

Also, didn't one of those Courier articles say that Janice Jones got up at midnight on the 14th to talk to K.Jo until 3 a.m.? Does this refer to the night prior to the murder or two nights before? I wonder what they discussed?

When did K.Jo actually get to Russellville, and when did he go to his parents' house? IIRC, somewhere I read that he arrived earlier without his parents' knowledge and stayed with Nona, but when?

According to something that I read somewhere, he arrived home the 15th. So this is what I have so far:

12:30am Leaves Nona's, drives home
1:30am Calls Nona
-3:00am Talks with Mom
9:00am gets up, lets Frazier in for inspection, does chores
10:20am Frazier leaves the residence (did he actually state when he last saw KJ?)
11:30am-11:50am Chats with grandmother at station, gets lunch money, mentions that he has change of clothers for Christmas party
12:18pm Pays for sammy at cafe
2:05pm Huggins leaves work, heads to Rville with Kevin driving to do Marva and bank errands (I thought that Huggins told KJ on the phone that he would be off work around 1pm, need help here)
2:45pm Kevin arrives at the station for work

Help me out here anyone, if I've misunderstood or forgotten any testimony. My handwriting is still mush.

[hudnala]

This is posted as "BREAKING NEWS" on the KFSM site:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6801052

Wow...thanks for that link....I find this particular part interesting.


It's expected that Ryan Whiteside, Jones's friend who was with him when he found Dirksmeyer, will be called as a defense witness. Trey York may also be called. The defense may try to prove York had a much more involved relationship with Dirksmeyer than was previously reported.

[hawgustusgloop]

According to something that I read somewhere, he arrived home the 15th. So this is what I have so far:

12:30am Leaves Nona's, drives home
1:30am Calls Nona
-3:00am Talks with Mom
9:00am gets up, lets Frazier in for inspection, does chores
10:20am Frazier leaves the residence (did he actually state when he last saw KJ?)
11:30am-11:50am Chats with grandmother at station, gets lunch money, mentions that he has change of clothers for Christmas party
12:18pm Pays for sammy at cafe
2:05pm Huggins leaves work, heads to Rville with Kevin driving to do Marva and bank errands (I thought that Huggins told KJ on the phone that he would be off work around 1pm, need help here)
2:45pm Kevin arrives at the station for work

Help me out here anyone, if I've misunderstood or forgotten any testimony. My handwriting is still mush.

So far, it looks like K.Jo is unaccounted for between 10:30 and 11:30. If we don't believe granny, he's unaccounted for until when? When did he say he called his friend? Also, I am wondering, if his mom actually lays out his clothes for him, wouldn't she have also made sure he had lunch money for the next day?

[hawgustusgloop]

Wow...thanks for that link....I find this particular part interesting.


It's expected that Ryan Whiteside, Jones's friend who was with him when he found Dirksmeyer, will be called as a defense witness. Trey York may also be called. The defense may try to prove York had a much more involved relationship with Dirksmeyer than was previously reported.

That is kind of interesting. I thought the defense made a similar statement before, only about Jeremy Martin. Is that right?

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow...thanks for that link....I find this particular part interesting.


It's expected that Ryan Whiteside, Jones's friend who was with him when he found Dirksmeyer, will be called as a defense witness. Trey York may also be called. The defense may try to prove York had a much more involved relationship with Dirksmeyer than was previously reported.

Interesting is right; before the trial started, it was Jeremy Martin who "lied about his relationship" with Nona.

[lorettalockhorn]

So far, it looks like K.Jo is unaccounted for between 10:30 and 11:30. If we don't believe granny, he's unaccounted for until when? When did he say he called his friend? Also, I am wondering, if his mom actually lays out his clothes for him, wouldn't she have also made sure he had lunch money for the next day?

I have him unaccounted for between 10:20 and 11:30. We don't actually know which time Frazier and his worker left the Jones residence and we don't know if they actually saw Kevin when they left. Maybe someone who heard the testimony in court can clear that up for us.

I tend to think that an hour and twenty minutes is plenty of time to drive to Rville, commit the murder and drive back to the station.

[jonikay]

So far, it looks like K.Jo is unaccounted for between 10:30 and 11:30. If we don't believe granny, he's unaccounted for until when? When did he say he called his friend? Also, I am wondering, if his mom actually lays out his clothes for him, wouldn't she have also made sure he had lunch money for the next day?
He called his friends a few mins after 12. This is the call that bounced off a Dover tower.

[jonikay]

I have him unaccounted for between 10:20 and 11:30. We don't actually know which time Frazier and his worker left the Jones residence and we don't know if they actually saw Kevin when they left. Maybe someone who heard the testimony in court can clear that up for us.

I tend to think that an hour and twenty minutes is plenty of time to drive to Rville, commit the murder and drive back to the station.
The courier stated that the two "bathtub guys" gave conflicting testimony of when they left the Jones residence. I don't know exactly what that means, bc I wasn't there.

[beachbum]

To be fair, today's funerals have typically turned into "celebrations of the life of....." Humorous stories are told, mourners are encouraged to laugh at happy memories, etc. Unless a person is filmed laughing at a clearly inappropriate moment, I wouldn't be too quick to jump to negative conclusions.

I know there are certain times when that is true about people remembering something funny about a loved one but keep in mind that Scott Peterson was also photographed laughing at a memorial for his missing wife Lacy and we know he was sentenced to death for killing her. He had also been making cell phone calls to Amber -his lover, acting like he was in Paris at this same memorial. Jekyll -Hyde wouldn't you say?

[jonikay]

Has anyone tried to put together a timeline of where the defense says K.Jo was all day on December 15?

Also, didn't one of those Courier articles say that Janice Jones got up at midnight on the 14th to talk to K.Jo until 3 a.m.? Does this refer to the night prior to the murder or two nights before? I wonder what they discussed?

When did K.Jo actually get to Russellville, and when did he go to his parents' house? IIRC, somewhere I read that he arrived earlier without his parents' knowledge and stayed with Nona, but when?
KJ got back to town the Monday night before the murder (this is when he and Nona had sex) and spent the night at Nona's apartment. He didn't tell his parents that he was home until Tuesday after he got back from Nona's house.

According to KJ's tapes that I heard, he left Nona's at around midnight to 1230 on the early morning of the 15th. He was talking to Nona about how he failed, or made a bad grade, on a test and was worried to tell his mom. Nona assured him that she'd take it well, blah blah. He got home and called Nona and told her that he had talked to his mom and everything was ok, she was glad to hear it, and they got off the phone with each other. I guess at this point, he and his mother talked until 3am about school, etc. since he told Nona he had just discussed his one failing grade with her.

[hawgustusgloop]

The courier stated that the two "bathtub guys" gave conflicting testimony of when they left the Jones residence. I don't know exactly what that means, bc I wasn't there.

IIIRC, I thought the bathtub guy that had been friends with the Jones family (Frazier?) said they left later than the other bathtub guy said. They took some photos of the tub, which were timestamped (I'll go back and see if I can figure out where I got the specific info), and the friend said they were there for a few minutes after they took the pictures, but the other guy said they left almost immediately after the photos were taken.

[jonikay]

IIIRC, I thought the bathtub guy that had been friends with the Jones family (Frazier?) said they left later than the other bathtub guy said. They took some photos of the tub, which were timestamped (I'll go back and see if I can figure out where I got the specific info), and the friend said they were there for a few minutes after they took the pictures, but the other guy said they left almost immediately after the photos were taken.
I don't know if they were friends of the family or not, but they called grandma and stopped by the station before going to the Jones' house. So, one can draw his or her own conclusions from that.
Yeah, the prosecution states that the last photo was taken at 1006 and they left soon after. The defense states that even though the last pic was taken at 1006, they did a walk through of the house and went outside to sit on the tailgate and discuss the job before leaving around 1030. Sounds like one of them talked to the defense and the other one didn't return their phone calls. haha

[hawgustusgloop]

From the Courier:

"Al Fraizer, co-owner of Arkansas Restoration in Russellville, said Hiram Jones, Jones’ father, asked him to take a look at the bathroom to estimate how much work would be needed to repair it. He also told the jury he is “good friends” with the Jones family.
He said he and Bobby Mross, one of his employees, picked up a key from Norma Tate Jones at the Jones’ gas station on the morning of Dec. 15 and went to the Jones house.
He testified he and Mross knocked on the door and “made noise” before attempting to enter the house. He said Kevin Jones, who looked like he had been asleep, opened the door for the men and returned to his room. Frazier estimated the time was about 9:50 a.m.
Deputy Prosecutor Jeff Phillips entered into evidence copies of photos taken at the Jones home by Frazier. Frazier said he takes photos to assist him when he prepares estimates, because he may visit “three or four jobs a day.”
The photos were time-stamped, and the last photo appeared to have been taken at 10:06 a.m.
Frazier said the water damage was more extensive than originally thought and he did a “walk-through” after he took the photos in order to “commit to memory” items in the affected rooms that would need to be moved.
He said after the walk-through, he and Mross went outside and he attempted to contact his partner for another 5-10 minutes.
“The latest time I would have been there was probably some time after 10:20,” Frazier said.
Phillips questioned him about a Feb. 8, 2006, statement he made to police in which he said he and Mross left “within five minutes” of taking the pictures. Frazier denied telling police this information and said what he probably meant was he spent 5-10 minutes going over the house in the walk-through.
He admitted he did not wear a watch and that he wasn’t keeping “minute” track of time on the job, which he usually does on a “quarter-hour basis.”
Mross took the stand next and contradicted Frazier’s version of events, telling jurors the men left soon after the photos were taken. He stated he did not know Jones or his family."

[hudnala]

Interesting is right; before the trial started, it was Jeremy Martin who "lied about his relationship" with Nona.

Has this Jeremy Martin been on the stand? I did not see him on the list. Is there any background info on him? I just started reading all this once the trial started, so I am not sure of who all the people are in this case.....
But I would like to know more about him too.

[FDInLaw]

That is kind of interesting. I thought the defense made a similar statement before, only about Jeremy Martin. Is that right?
Yep. :rolleyes: I figured they would go after some other kid. Guess they changed their minds about JM?

[FDInLaw]

Has this Jeremy Martin been on the stand? I did not see him on the list. Is there any background info on him? I just started reading all this once the trial started, so I am not sure of who all the people are in this case.....
But I would like to know more about him too.
He has not been on the stand. He was one of the original six suspects.

[lorettalockhorn]

He called his friends a few mins after 12. This is the call that bounced off a Dover tower.

Yeah, I have the phone call to JH at 12:05. Huggins told him that he had to work another hour, but I believe that Paula Brown testified that Huggins didn't leave the cafe until 2:05. That would have to mean that KJ drove to Rvill, went to Marva, went to the bank and drove back to the station in forty minutes in order to be at work at 2:45.

My question is; when did KJ and JH actually leave the cafe for their trek to Russellville?

[lorettalockhorn]

Has this Jeremy Martin been on the stand? I did not see him on the list. Is there any background info on him? I just started reading all this once the trial started, so I am not sure of who all the people are in this case.....
But I would like to know more about him too.


We don't know a lot about him from the media. He may not be necessary in order to prove reasonable doubt; if this site is any indication, York has done that for the defense. Of course, York isn't the only one to be inferred as the "true killer" by some.

[lorettalockhorn]

loretta, I am very sorry you did not realize, I was teasing here, but that was what the haha was for. But i have apologized for it at least twice. once, publicly on the forum, once in a rep comment, now this makes thrice....

Aww Ms.Q I'm sorry. I had to go a couple of places this afternoon and it's Porcelain Day here at Chez Lockhorn; so I haven't been lurking my control panel. Thrice. Now there's a word that you don't see every fortnight!

[optimumprimal78]

Okay maybe someone can clear this up for me. Why would they (the police) have pictures made of KJ's torso and back? It might have been mentioned but I don't understand it. Were they looking for a struggle/scratch marks?

[FDInLaw]

Okay maybe someone can clear this up for me. Why would they (the police) have pictures made of KJ's torso and back? It might have been mentioned but I don't understand it. Were they looking for a struggle/scratch marks?
Yes, they were documenting whether or not there were any signs of a struggle. IIRC correctly, they did not find anything. Unfortunately though for KJ, there has been testimony that Nona was unable to put up much of a struggle. . . no DNA under her nails testifies to this as well.

[TJEddie]

Okay maybe someone can clear this up for me. Why would they (the police) have pictures made of KJ's torso and back? It might have been mentioned but I don't understand it. Were they looking for a struggle/scratch marks?

Struggle/scratch marks....yes, I'd say that's the primary reason. I suppose the photos might also be used by someone trying to prove/disprove that he possessed the upper body strength to exert the "tremendous force" used to crack Nona's skull. I haven't heard of them being used that way.....just conjecture.

[christina]

Yep. And I think that there was some room for question about the difference in times that Frazier and his worker reported that they left the residence. Forgive me for saying this, but Frazier has the reputation as the town drunk, so I'm not surprised that there is room for confusion there. I also wasn't sure from the testimony of Frazier and his worker, what time they actually last saw KJ.

I have a hard time believing that grandmother could have alibied Kevin all this time when her testimony refutes Kevin's statement and Walters' both. Fish, huh. I would have said that I smell a rat.

In the long run, I think that the jury decision will come down to whom gave the most believable testimony. I wonder if KJ is acquitted, it will be partly due to the jury punishing LE for a sloppy investigation.

Loretta, do you think it is possible that if a jury of 12 aquitt Jones it is because they believe after listening to a week and a half of testimony, he is innocent?

[christina]

He has not been on the stand. He was one of the original six suspects.

Testimony is that they only had 2 suspects- Jones and York. Can you remind me where you heard/read six?

[christina]

Am I mistaken or was it Paula Jones that tried to sue Bill Clinton for sexual harassment way back when? Is that why you (or whoever) put the "Jones" at the end of this Paula, or is it a conspiracy? Haha. . .I think it's a funny mistake.

It was my mistake, sorry! That is freudian. I guess Clinton's name was on my mind after the defense used it in asking the victim's classmate to be specific about their sex life.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, do you think it is possible that if a jury of 12 aquitt Jones it is because they believe after listening to a week and a half of testimony, he is innocent?


I think that anything is possible, including an acquittal for any number of reasons. Just think back to the OJ and Michael Jackson cases. Of course, they've heard firsthand lots more than I have, so it's hard for me to judge who was more believable with regard to conflicting testimony.

BTW, I think that I forgot to thank you for your notes yesterday. Appreciate it!

[lorettalockhorn]

Struggle/scratch marks....yes, I'd say that's the primary reason. I suppose the photos might also be used by someone trying to prove/disprove that he possessed the upper body strength to exert the "tremendous force" used to crack Nona's skull. I haven't heard of them being used that way.....just conjecture.


Hadn't thought about that aspect before. I guess you could make the argument that if enraged enough, even Barney Fife could wield the tremendous force necessary to have committed this murder.

[christina]

I think that anything is possible, including an acquittal for any number of reasons. Just think back to the OJ and Michael Jackson cases. Of course, they've heard firsthand lots more than I have, so it's hard for me to judge who was more believable with regard to conflicting testimony.

BTW, I think that I forgot to thank you for your notes yesterday. Appreciate it!

You are welcome. So, not to sound like I am cross examining you but.... is your answer yes, you do think a jury of 12, after examining all the evidence, can believe he is innocent?

[jonikay]

Christina...the Courier's update today stated that the expert that spoke today (Kilbourn) gave contradicting testimony about blood clotting than his associate yesterday (Greg Morrison). Did this amount to anything?

[lorettalockhorn]

You are welcome. So, not to sound like I am cross examining you but.... is your answer yes, you do think a jury of 12, after examining all the evidence, can believe he is innocent?

I think that anything is possible, including an acquittal for any number of reasons. Just think back to the OJ and Michael Jackson cases. Of course, the jury has heard firsthand lots more than I have, so it's hard for me to judge who was more believable with regard to conflicting testimony.

[hudnala]

Just heard on the channel 4 six oclock broadcast about TY, it seems like the defense is indeed going after him in order to prove reasonable doubt. Do we have anyone on here that went to court today? Christina? Anyone?

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 5 news reported at 6:00 about the motion to suppress the video that shows the drying time of blood. The defense contends that this would prove that the bloody print on the bulb was made at discovery. They also reported that none of the witnesses noticed anything "weird" about KJ's behavior that day. A neighbor of Nona's saw a male who was not Kevin beating on Nona's door, they were fighting, she threw out some keys and he drove off in her car. She saw a male taking out garbage. The male was not KJ, but she didn't see his face. KFSM also reported that pictures were added to Nona's computer files but it was not known if they were actually added while someone was at the keyboard.

Channel 4's report was interesting. Zack Walker testified that he thought that Nona and Trey York had a dating relationship. He learned about 10pm on the 15th that Nona was found in a pool of blood and relayed that to York at about 10:15. York sent a text message to Nona at 9:18am the 16th saying that he was worried about her. Walker called York between 10 and 11am that morning to say that Nona was dead and York told him that he already knew. The defense is trying to prove that he knew at the time of the 9:18am text message.

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 7 reported that the defense expert says that his experiments show that the drying time proves that KJ's palm print was made when Nona's body was discovered. Also that witnesses testified about KJ's behavior that day.

Huge difference in what the different stations find newsworthy.

[hudnala]

Channel 7 reported that the defense expert says that his experiments show that the drying time proves that KJ's palm print was made when Nona's body was discovered. Also that witnesses testified about KJ's behavior that day.

Huge difference in what the different stations find newsworthy.

Imagine all the stuff we dont know about!

[JR2007]

You are welcome. So, not to sound like I am cross examining you but.... is your answer yes, you do think a jury of 12, after examining all the evidence, can believe he is innocent?'

I would like to answer your question Christina. I believe the jury may find him not guilty, but I don't believe they will ever find him innocent. Big difference, but sadly with the same results of him walking. If they find him not guilty, it's because the prosecution didn't prove their case or the defense confused the jury so badly they didn't know heads from tails. Have any of the original facts of the case concerning KJ been refuted? Not that I can tell.
But the defense team has brought in people that have stated things that have confused things not cleared anything up. Such as the differences in the statements and times KJ gave in his original statements on the 15th and his own defense team refuting what he said by bring in ringers or what ever you want to call them.

[FDInLaw]

'

I would like to answer your question Christina. I believe the jury may find him not guilty, but I don't believe they will ever find him innocent. Big difference, but sadly with the same results of him walking. If they find him not guilty, it's because the prosecution didn't prove their case or the defense confused the jury so badly they didn't know heads from tails. Have any of the original facts of the case concerning KJ been refuted? Not that I can tell.
But the defense team has brought in people that have stated things that have confused things not cleared anything up. Such as the differences in the statements and times KJ gave in his original statements on the 15th and his own defense team refuting what he said by bring in ringers or what ever you want to call them.
Excellent post IMO. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Excellent post IMO. :seeya:

Ditto. Ditto.

[christina]

'

I would like to answer your question Christina. I believe the jury may find him not guilty, but I don't believe they will ever find him innocent. Big difference, but sadly with the same results of him walking. If they find him not guilty, it's because the prosecution didn't prove their case or the defense confused the jury so badly they didn't know heads from tails. Have any of the original facts of the case concerning KJ been refuted? Not that I can tell.
But the defense team has brought in people that have stated things that have confused things not cleared anything up. Such as the differences in the statements and times KJ gave in his original statements on the 15th and his own defense team refuting what he said by bring in ringers or what ever you want to call them.

I asked this question for a reason. Repeatedly seveal on this blog have said that they want is justice for Nona. But it is obvious that the thought by many of you is that will only come in the form of Kevin Jones being found guilty. Loretta, FD and Jr- you are basically saying that 12 people who sat and listened to a plethera of witnesses from both sides, viewed the entire voluntary interview with Jones, listened to the 911 tape, have handled the lamp/murder weapon and looked at the famous print up close, have listened to experts from both sides, viewed the crime scene photos up close. That if those people find Jones not guilty, you all will still think him guilty?

[christina]

'

I would like to answer your question Christina. I believe the jury may find him not guilty, but I don't believe they will ever find him innocent. Big difference, but sadly with the same results of him walking. If they find him not guilty, it's because the prosecution didn't prove their case or the defense confused the jury so badly they didn't know heads from tails. Have any of the original facts of the case concerning KJ been refuted? Not that I can tell.
But the defense team has brought in people that have stated things that have confused things not cleared anything up. Such as the differences in the statements and times KJ gave in his original statements on the 15th and his own defense team refuting what he said by bring in ringers or what ever you want to call them.

I do not know what you mean by "the original facts". Do you mean the newspaper articles, rumors and stories told? Or do you mean the actual case the police put together? I read/heard those stories and believed them- I thought Jones was guilty. But as I have said before, with the thought of being called as a juror, I tried to hold out til I saw the evidence. Example of a story/rumor- "the police have pictures of Jones car on a bank video by Inglewood around the time of the murder". Truth- the prosecution never introduced them. Today the defense introduced them and they are pictures of Kevin and Jeremy at a bank, making a withdrawal at 2 that afternoon.
When I went to lunch today, there were several people from the trial in the eatery, no family members. I approached them and asked what their take was- all at the table said they now believed Jones did not do it.
I can tell you I have sat through every minute of the trial and if I were on the jury would vote to aquit him.

[JR2007]

I asked this question for a reason. Repeatedly seveal on this blog have said that they want is justice for Nona. But it is obvious that the thought by many of you is that will only come in the form of Kevin Jones being found guilty. Loretta, FD and Jr- you are basically saying that 12 people who sat and listened to a plethera of witnesses from both sides, viewed the entire voluntary interview with Jones, listened to the 911 tape, have handled the lamp/murder weapon and looked at the famous print up close, have listened to experts from both sides, viewed the crime scene photos up close. That if those people find Jones not guilty, you all will still think him guilty?

Not as long as the original evidence stands.

I will believe he's innocent when the hard evidence is refuted and proof that he could not have comitted the murder comes forth.
Remember the OJ.

[TJEddie]

I know there are folks here who think the defense is just using Trey York to muddy the waters, but the more I hear and think about his story, the more I wonder about him. I was thinking today about Trey's refusal to take that 10pm phone call because it was from an unknown number, yet being curious enough about it to have a friend call the number back. Why was Trey reluctant to answer that call? Was he afraid of who it might be? That kind of evasiveness/paranoia/jumpiness stands in stark contrast to the reports of Kevin's normal, chatty, joking behavior that day.

I also found Zack Walker's testimony about the depth of Nona & Trey's relationship interesting. It sounds like LE was always leaning toward this being the act of a spurned/angry lover. Maybe they were right on that count, but didn't realize that there was more than one man in the picture.

[TJEddie]

Christina, I do appreciate the time and effort you've put into keeping us all informed. (FWIW, I fully respect your hypothetical vote for acquittal at this point.)

[jonikay]

I know there are folks here who think the defense is just using Trey York to muddy the waters, but the more I hear and think about his story, the more I wonder about him. I was thinking today about Trey's refusal to take that 10pm phone call because it was from an unknown number, yet being curious enough about it to have a friend call the number back. Why was Trey reluctant to answer that call? Was he afraid of who it might be? That kind of evasiveness/paranoia/jumpiness stands in stark contrast to the reports of Kevin's normal, chatty, joking behavior that day.

I also found Zack Walker's testimony about the depth of Nona & Trey's relationship interesting. It sounds like LE was always leaning toward this being the act of a spurned/angry lover. Maybe they were right on that count, but didn't realize that there was more than one man in the picture.
I understand your point, TJ . . . I'll tell you what he said during his testimony. Trey said that he had been receiving calls from people that he didn't know in a harassment sort of way. They kept coming and coming to the point that he didn't answer a call that he didn't recognize.

Also, it is important to remember that Kevin Jones himself lied about his own relationship with Nona, stating that they were "very, very exclusive" when he had cheated on her less than a week before her murder. He also lied about how many times he cheated, about the time he got to the station that early afternoon, about whether or not he touched anything at the scene, . . . Not to play around, but if Trey were lying about his relationship with Nona, it doesn't make him a murderer, right? Kevin lied about it too. If being a liar makes someone a murderer, then . . .

[christina]

Christina...the Courier's update today stated that the expert that spoke today (Kilbourn) gave contradicting testimony about blood clotting than his associate yesterday (Greg Morrison). Did this amount to anything?

I did not hear it that way at all.

[JR2007]

I do not know what you mean by "the original facts". Do you mean the newspaper articles, rumors and stories told? Or do you mean the actual case the police put together? I read/heard those stories and believed them- I thought Jones was guilty. But as I have said before, with the thought of being called as a juror, I tried to hold out til I saw the evidence. Example of a story/rumor- "the police have pictures of Jones car on a bank video by Inglewood around the time of the murder". Truth- the prosecution never introduced them. Today the defense introduced them and they are pictures of Kevin and Jeremy at a bank, making a withdrawal at 2 that afternoon.
When I went to lunch today, there were several people from the trial in the eatery, no family members. I approached them and asked what their take was- all at the table said they now believed Jones did not do it.
I can tell you I have sat through every minute of the trial and if I were on the jury would vote to aquit him.

I don't believe that the story you related about the pictures was ever stated that way . It was stated that they were on a list of items that LE had as evidence and some speculated that it may be a picture of passing cars and wondered if it might show him passing the bank anywhere near the time of the murder.

The jury also aquitted OJ.

[christina]

Not as long as the original evidence stands.

I will believe he's innocent when the hard evidence is refuted and proof that he could not have comitted the murder comes forth.
Remember the OJ.

Can/will you state the evidence you are talking about?

[jonikay]

Christina, I do appreciate the time and effort you've put into keeping us all informed. (FWIW, I fully respect your hypothetical vote for acquittal at this point.)
I agree with TJ on this. Thanks for keeping us informed during the trial, christina.
I know that it takes A LOT out of a person even to sit in that freezing cold courtroom for a few hours, let alone day after day. I know you aren't going just to keep us informed, so I appreciate your effort. I also respect your opinion of what you think the outcome of this trial will be. Do you think they'll go after Trey or do you think it's a lost cause?

[jonikay]

that I am waving a white flag. I am tired, and I am giving up. I'm sure most everyone will be relieved to know it.......... :seeya: Keep on keepin' on.....
Forever, susieq?????

[jonikay]

I did not hear it that way at all.
I didn't figure. I didn't understand what the Courier was meaning by that. That is really a shame that I may never know what they were referring to. It always happens that way. The media really does leave stuff out. I guess it wasn't that important to begin with.

[christina]

Christina, I do appreciate the time and effort you've put into keeping us all informed. (FWIW, I fully respect your hypothetical vote for acquittal at this point.)

Thank you Ed!

[christina]

I didn't figure. I didn't understand what the Courier was meaning by that. That is really a shame that I may never know what they were referring to. It always happens that way. The media really does leave stuff out. I guess it wasn't that important to begin with.

I can tell you that the Courier reporter went over and chatted Carol Dipert up again today. I have not seen her speak to the Jones family the entire trial.

[hawgustusgloop]

'

I would like to answer your question Christina. I believe the jury may find him not guilty, but I don't believe they will ever find him innocent. Big difference, but sadly with the same results of him walking. If they find him not guilty, it's because the prosecution didn't prove their case or the defense confused the jury so badly they didn't know heads from tails. Have any of the original facts of the case concerning KJ been refuted? Not that I can tell.
But the defense team has brought in people that have stated things that have confused things not cleared anything up. Such as the differences in the statements and times KJ gave in his original statements on the 15th and his own defense team refuting what he said by bring in ringers or what ever you want to call them.

I agree with FDInLaw and Lorettalockhorn......Great post, JR!

[christina]

I agree with TJ on this. Thanks for keeping us informed during the trial, christina.
I know that it takes A LOT out of a person even to sit in that freezing cold courtroom for a few hours, let alone day after day. I know you aren't going just to keep us informed, so I appreciate your effort. I also respect your opinion of what you think the outcome of this trial will be. Do you think they'll go after Trey or do you think it's a lost cause?

Appreciate those words. Thank goodness for a supportive family and saved up vacation days! I really did not intend to be present every day but it was so fascinating and I just couldn't not go.

The one piece of evidence I personally would like adressed is the dna on the condom wrapper. I would like RPD or the PA to get a sample from York and put it to rest one way or the other.

[jonikay]

I can tell you that the Courier reporter went over and chatted Carol Dipert up again today. I have not seen her speak to the Jones family the entire trial.
Have they quoted Carol or anything in any of their reports? I know they have wrote A LOT about Kevin's reactions to some of the testimonies. He seemed pretty collected when I saw him, but when someone tries to read someone else's emotions, they usually get it wrong anyway. Have you read the Courier article about Janice's testimony? Do you think it was pretty accurate? The times I saw her, she looked like she was really having a difficult time. The Courier explained her as extremely nervous, basket-case like. I wouldn't be surprised if that is an accurate portrayal, considering what she's going through. I don't think it compares to the pain that Mrs. Dipert feels, but that's just imo. I know for sure that I would never want to walk a mile in either one of their shoes. Ever.

Another thing, I wonder how the public would react to hearing the Jones family's side of this ordeal . . .

[lorettalockhorn]

I asked this question for a reason. Repeatedly seveal on this blog have said that they want is justice for Nona. But it is obvious that the thought by many of you is that will only come in the form of Kevin Jones being found guilty. Loretta, FD and Jr- you are basically saying that 12 people who sat and listened to a plethera of witnesses from both sides, viewed the entire voluntary interview with Jones, listened to the 911 tape, have handled the lamp/murder weapon and looked at the famous print up close, have listened to experts from both sides, viewed the crime scene photos up close. That if those people find Jones not guilty, you all will still think him guilty?

I have said on more than one occasion that Justice for Nona to me does not include KJ being wrongfully convicted.

There have been juries in the past who have looked at a plethora of evidence and listened to conflicting witnesses who have come back with a verdict of not guilty for any number of reasons' one of which is that the investigation was run shoddily. I think it's very likely that that could happen in this case. I continue to think that Kevin is guilty at this point for reasons that I have enumerated more than once and until Kevin has a solid alibi, will probably continue to think he's guilty.

One thing that is ironic to me about the 9:18am text message on the 16th, is that the defense is claiming the same thing that the State has asserted about Kevin. That York knew already that Nona was dead and that the message was a ruse.

Of course, there is still plenty of time for a Perry Mason moment in court; a moment that could make me change my mind.

[jonikay]

Appreciate those words. Thank goodness for a supportive family and saved up vacation days! I really did not intend to be present every day but it was so fascinating and I just couldn't not go.

The one piece of evidence I personally would like adressed is the dna on the condom wrapper. I would like RPD or the PA to get a sample from York and put it to rest one way or the other.
So, if it's Trey's dna, what then? They would still have a lot to prove, imo. It'll show that he lied, but hasn't Kevin? Would you explain to me, christina, your take on Kevin's supposed lies during the investigation, etc. For instance, the fact that he lied about his relationship with Nona, among other things. Do you agree with the consensus that he has lied in some instances?
I'll bet Trey's lawyer(s) would be all over that case, considering they didn't have enough to charge him in the first place.

[jonikay]

I have said on more than one occasion that Justice for Nona to me does not include KJ being wrongfully convicted.

There have been juries in the past who have looked at a plethora of evidence and listened to conflicting witnesses who have come back with a verdict of not guilty for any number of reasons' one of which is that the investigation was run shoddily. I think it's very likely that that could happen in this case. I continue to think that Kevin is guilty at this point for reasons that I have enumerated more than once and until Kevin has a solid alibi, will probably continue to think he's guilty.

One thing that is ironic to me about the 9:18am text message on the 16th, is that the defense is claiming the same thing that the State has asserted about Kevin. That York knew already that Nona was dead and that the message was a ruse.

Of course, there is still plenty of time for a Perry Mason moment in court; a moment that could make me change my mind.
IMO, the 918am text message . . . he could have been drunk for all we know when Zacky called him the night before. Maybe he was partying since his semester was over and he had just gotten home. He said he was back and forth from a friend's house that night. Who knows? He could probably say that, though . . . and then he has an excuse for forgetting or whatever and lying about finding out the night of. Also, what does he have to gain from texting her the morning after? I don't see his point at all if it was an act. To me, it's just a technicality that the defense is pouncing on in order to fluster ye olde jury.

[TJEddie]

I understand your point, TJ . . . I'll tell you what he said during his testimony. Trey said that he had been receiving calls from people that he didn't know in a harassment sort of way. They kept coming and coming to the point that he didn't answer a call that he didn't recognize.

Also, it is important to remember that Kevin Jones himself lied about his own relationship with Nona, stating that they were "very, very exclusive" when he had cheated on her less than a week before her murder. He also lied about how many times he cheated, about the time he got to the station that early afternoon, about whether or not he touched anything at the scene, . . . Not to play around, but if Trey were lying about his relationship with Nona, it doesn't make him a murderer, right? Kevin lied about it too. If being a liar makes someone a murderer, then . . .


I can understand a person declining unknown callers if they have been experiencing annoying calls....but why have a friend call the number back? It sounds to me like Trey wanted to know who was calling, but he didn't want them to know he was available. Why else have a friend check the number out on a different phone? If I'm missing something here, enlighten me. It just sounds like evasive behavior to me. (And I assume Trey's phone records will substantiate these harassing calls that he'd been getting.)

As for the "lies"....they have very different qualities, IMO. Trey's lies (assuming they were lies) would represent an attempt to distance himself from the victim.....to make himself appear innocent. Kevin's claim of a "very, very exclusive" relationship actually brings him closer to the victim and thus makes him more suspect. By the same token, his claim of not having touched the lamp also makes him more suspect. If Kevin had wanted to tell a self-serving lie, he could have saved himself some trouble by saying, "Yes, I did touch the lamp while I was trying to revive Nona." If Kevin was telling lies to save his hide, why didn't he do that?

[lorettalockhorn]

Appreciate those words. Thank goodness for a supportive family and saved up vacation days! I really did not intend to be present every day but it was so fascinating and I just couldn't not go.

The one piece of evidence I personally would like adressed is the dna on the condom wrapper. I would like RPD or the PA to get a sample from York and put it to rest one way or the other.

If York was the perp, I honest to God think that not only would the condom wrapper not been found on the kitchen counter, it would not have been found in the apartment.

[jonikay]

I understand your point, TJ . . . I'll tell you what he said during his testimony. Trey said that he had been receiving calls from people that he didn't know in a harassment sort of way. They kept coming and coming to the point that he didn't answer a call that he didn't recognize.

Also, it is important to remember that Kevin Jones himself lied about his own relationship with Nona, stating that they were "very, very exclusive" when he had cheated on her less than a week before her murder. He also lied about how many times he cheated, about the time he got to the station that early afternoon, about whether or not he touched anything at the scene, . . . Not to play around, but if Trey were lying about his relationship with Nona, it doesn't make him a murderer, right? Kevin lied about it too. If being a liar makes someone a murderer, then . . .


I can understand a person declining unknown callers if they have been experiencing annoying calls....but why have a friend call the number back? It sounds to me like Trey wanted to know who was calling, but he didn't want them to know he was available. Why else have a friend check the number out on a different phone? If I'm missing something here, enlighten me. It just sounds like evasive behavior to me. (And I assume Trey's phone records will substantiate these harassing calls that he'd been getting.)

As for the "lies"....they have very different qualities, IMO. Trey's lies (assuming they were lies) would represent an attempt to distance himself from the victim.....to make himself appear innocent. Kevin's claim of a "very, very exclusive" relationship actually brings him closer to the victim and thus makes him more suspect. By the same token, his claim of not having touched the lamp also makes him more suspect. If Kevin had wanted to tell a self-serving lie, he could have saved himself some trouble by saying, "Yes, I did touch the lamp while I was trying to revive Nona." If Kevin was telling lies to save his hide, why didn't he do that?
Kevin's description of their relationship wouldn't make him look innocent if in fact the scene was staged in order to for it to look like a sexual assault had taken place, as the prosecution believes and gives reasons for believing this.
I agree with the lamp thing, if he was wanting to hide the fact that he did this, he should have said, "yes, I touched the lamp and I remember it happened when I turned her over from her belly to her back to attempt CPR and . . . " Instead of saying he didn't remember touching anything and explaining that somebody had to have moved her because she was laying there perfect with her arms folded on her stomach. A little weird, imo. But this , I guess, does not a murderer make.
BTW, Trey stated during his testimony that he was distancing himself from Nona. He felt that she took advantage of him for his school work. That could be a motive for him to kill her, I guess. But the fact that Trey existed in the capacity he did for Nona would be a good motive for Kevin to do it as well. Also, the 1104 text message sent to Nona from Trey could have been what triggered Kevin, or I guess it could have been a cover-up for Trey. I think this could probably go in circles forever.

[hawgustusgloop]

>snip<
If Kevin had wanted to tell a self-serving lie, he could have saved himself some trouble by saying, "Yes, I did touch the lamp while I was trying to revive Nona." If Kevin was telling lies to save his hide, why didn't he do that?

If K.Jo did kill Nona, and the print was made at the time of the killing, I don't think K.Jo realized it was there. Otherwise he would have cleaned it off.

The police probably said, "Did you touch anything besides Nona," and he said, "No." They likely did not say, "There is a bloody palm print that matches your palm on what we think is the murder weapon. Did you touch the lamp when you discovered the body?"

[lorettalockhorn]

IMO, the 918am text message . . . he could have been drunk for all we know when Zacky called him the night before. Maybe he was partying since his semester was over and he had just gotten home. He said he was back and forth from a friend's house that night. Who knows? He could probably say that, though . . . and then he has an excuse for forgetting or whatever and lying about finding out the night of. Also, what does he have to gain from texting her the morning after? I don't see his point at all if it was an act. To me, it's just a technicality that the defense is pouncing on in order to fluster ye olde jury.

I see your point. It's just the irony of the defense making a claim that can be interpreted as York having used the text message as a ruse for his concern for Nona. That is exactly the scenario that I imagine for Kevin's calls to Nona the afternoon after she died.

[christina]

Kilburn was first up- expert witness for the defense. He presented a film of the experiment done with his and his partner's blood on light bulbs to prove drying time. Conclusion was that blood dries on a light bulb in less than 45 minutes therefore the bloddy print had to be placed there by Jones at the time he found Nona's body.(6:30)
Next was Jones' advisor from U of A, Rodney Williams-testified Jones logged onto the ISIS(?) program (registry f program for the university) at 1 pm. E-mailed him at 1:35 , 2:40 and 4:51 asking for help with changing his spring schedule. He was tyring to register for Chemistry II.
Gary Burton, former owner of Bayou Cafe testified he talked with Jones around 2:30 about the money owed for the fantasy baseball league they are in together. Jones was "normal".
Chuck Bishop, retired Dover pharmacist testified he was a frequesnt patron of the Jones station and saw him that afternoon to gas up prior to meeting up with grandson for a U of A Basketball game. Jones told Bishop his fgrandson(Jones age) was changing majors. Testified Jones was "normal". Bishop was a delightful witness.
Scott Pearson, saw Jones and Jeremy that afternoon-Jones acted normal.
Zach Walker, ATU student, biology lab partner of York and Nona, said he called York the night of Nona's murder(around 10pm) and said that she was "found in a pool of blood". Next day talked with him around 10 or 11. Said the reason he called is that he knew they were dating.
Brandy Bean, neighbor in apt #4. Said she saw Nona with her boyfriend, at the apartment about 3 times the four weeks prior to the murder. First time was when she heard loud voices and banging, she went outside to check it out because she was going to call the police if it escalated. Said she saw the boyfriend banging hard on the door and heard Nona yell "just leave". The boyfriend kept banging, Nona opened the door and threw keys at him and he drove off in her car- a silver mustang. When the defense lawyer pointed at Jones and asked if that was the boyfriend, Bean answered "No, I've never seen that guy before". When asked to describe who it was she saw- dark hair, dark complexion, about 5'7" or 5'8", wore wrist bands. When asked what gave her the impression it was Nona's boyfriend-"he took the trash out".
Next was Heather Leavel, Dover teacher, said discussion of Jones attending Christmas Party with mother orginally took place on the 14th. Said she was the one responsible for ordering the meals ahead of time at Savanah's.
Then came yet another expert- Smith from Digital Investigations in Atlanta. He did a forensic cell phone search and computer search. Yes, it was pointed out the RPD did not collect the evidence properly. He did what search he could with the superwhamadine program he has and came up with- MSN e-mail was signed onto at 9am the 15th and logged out of at 9:10 am. At 11:15 a temp internet file was created, a png file-picture of a couple, not known who. Another file was created at 5:46 and again at 9:32. Then the computer shows someone went in and accessed the trah and delete files, e-mail inbox account information, contact adresses. this was all on the 16th between 10:45-11:24am. That was about the time the police say they "secured the computer". It was never dusted for prints.
Last witness for today- Josh Canerday, ATU student, known Jones since 3rd grade, stopped at the stationa fter his last final 2:30-3, talked about 15 minutes, Jones was normal.
Defense said they have one more witness but had scheduled them for Wed morning not aware the prosecution would finish as early as they did.
So tomorrow looks like- 1 defense witness, rebuttal witnesses for the prosectution then closing arguments!

[jonikay]

I see your point. It's just the irony of the defense making a claim that can be interpreted as York having used the text message as a ruse for his concern for Nona. That is exactly the scenario that I imagine for Kevin's calls to Nona the afternoon after she died.
Exactly...double standards. Everything that Kevin did was absolutely normal. Everything that Trey did was maniacal and murderous . . .

[christina]

Have they quoted Carol or anything in any of their reports? I know they have wrote A LOT about Kevin's reactions to some of the testimonies. He seemed pretty collected when I saw him, but when someone tries to read someone else's emotions, they usually get it wrong anyway. Have you read the Courier article about Janice's testimony? Do you think it was pretty accurate? The times I saw her, she looked like she was really having a difficult time. The Courier explained her as extremely nervous, basket-case like. I wouldn't be surprised if that is an accurate portrayal, considering what she's going through. I don't think it compares to the pain that Mrs. Dipert feels, but that's just imo. I know for sure that I would never want to walk a mile in either one of their shoes. Ever.

Another thing, I wonder how the public would react to hearing the Jones family's side of this ordeal . . .

Yes, Carol and Duane have been quoted previously, I do not think during this trial though. The courier reporter handed Mrs Dipert a package of some sort today as well.
In my opinion Janice Jones appeared like she has held the last year and a half in until the minute she walked off the stand. I agree with you- I pray I never have to walk in either mother's shoes.

[jonikay]

Kilburn was first up- expert witness for the defense. He presented a film of the experiment done with his and his partner's blood on light bulbs to prove drying time. Conclusion was that blood dries on a light bulb in less than 45 minutes therefore the bloddy print had to be placed there by Jones at the time he found Nona's body.(6:30)
Next was Jones' advisor from U of A, Rodney Williams-testified Jones logged onto the ISIS(?) program (registry f program for the university) at 1 pm. E-mailed him at 1:35 , 2:40 and 4:51 asking for help with changing his spring schedule. He was tyring to register for Chemistry II.
Gary Burton, former owner of Bayou Cafe testified he talked with Jones around 2:30 about the money owed for the fantasy baseball league they are in together. Jones was "normal".
Chuck Bishop, retired Dover pharmacist testified he was a frequesnt patron of the Jones station and saw him that afternoon to gas up prior to meeting up with grandson for a U of A Basketball game. Jones told Bishop his fgrandson(Jones age) was changing majors. Testified Jones was "normal". Bishop was a delightful witness.
Scott Pearson, saw Jones and Jeremy that afternoon-Jones acted normal.
Zach Walker, ATU student, biology lab partner of York and Nona, said he called York the night of Nona's murder(around 10pm) and said that she was "found in a pool of blood". Next day talked with him around 10 or 11. Said the reason he called is that he knew they were dating.
Brandy Bean, neighbor in apt #4. Said she saw Nona with her boyfriend, at the apartment about 3 times the four weeks prior to the murder. First time was when she heard loud voices and banging, she went outside to check it out because she was going to call the police if it escalated. Said she saw the boyfriend banging hard on the door and heard Nona yell "just leave". The boyfriend kept banging, Nona opened the door and threw keys at him and he drove off in her car- a silver mustang. When the defense lawyer pointed at Jones and asked if that was the boyfriend, Bean answered "No, I've never seen that guy before". When asked to describe who it was she saw- dark hair, dark complexion, about 5'7" or 5'8", wore wrist bands. When asked what gave her the impression it was Nona's boyfriend-"he took the trash out".
Next was Heather Leavel, Dover teacher, said discussion of Jones attending Christmas Party with mother orginally took place on the 14th. Said she was the one responsible for ordering the meals ahead of time at Savanah's.
Then came yet another expert- Smith from Digital Investigations in Atlanta. He did a forensic cell phone search and computer search. Yes, it was pointed out the RPD did not collect the evidence properly. He did what search he could with the superwhamadine program he has and came up with- MSN e-mail was signed onto at 9am the 15th and logged out of at 9:10 am. At 11:15 a temp internet file was created, a png file-picture of a couple, not known who. Another file was created at 5:46 and again at 9:32. Then the computer shows someone went in and accessed the trah and delete files, e-mail inbox account information, contact adresses. this was all on the 16th between 10:45-11:24am. That was about the time the police say they "secured the computer". It was never dusted for prints.
Last witness for today- Josh Canerday, ATU student, known Jones since 3rd grade, stopped at the stationa fter his last final 2:30-3, talked about 15 minutes, Jones was normal.
Defense said they have one more witness but had scheduled them for Wed morning not aware the prosecution would finish as early as they did.
So tomorrow looks like- 1 defense witness, rebuttal witnesses for the prosectution then closing arguments!
This is just imo, but how many freakin witnesses that testify to seeing Kevin after 1 does a jury need to see and hear. I thought the murder took place before 1. They have agreed on that, right? It just aggravates me. Also, and I know how easy it is to hash it out over simple, petty things, but I guess he logged on to the computer at the station at 240, otherwise it only takes him 5 minutes to get to his house from the station. You're correct, ISIS is UArk's everything for a student. Accounts, schedules, grades, blah blah. It's SIS at ATU.

[christina]

So, if it's Trey's dna, what then? They would still have a lot to prove, imo. It'll show that he lied, but hasn't Kevin? Would you explain to me, christina, your take on Kevin's supposed lies during the investigation, etc. For instance, the fact that he lied about his relationship with Nona, among other things. Do you agree with the consensus that he has lied in some instances?
I'll bet Trey's lawyer(s) would be all over that case, considering they didn't have enough to charge him in the first place.

When has he lied? About not touching the lamp? He is asked that question several times during the interview by 2 different officers. He answers differently each time. It is obvious when you watch the tape he is trying to give his best effort at one point he says"I know I tried not to touch anything". These are not lies to me as a lie is intentional. When you see the tape-you see he is freely giving all the information he can.
Lieing aobut the relationship- this is a matter of interpretation. They both had sex with others. Does that mean Jones did not see their relationship as exclusive? You and I might think that but what was Jones definition? What was Nona's definition?
I do not see a consensus here, I see group think. The suppostition by most here is he is guilty and therfeore everything (what he says, how he acts, the evidence)is read through that filter. That is why I keep pointing out that 12 people have sat through all of the evidence in person, no background of the case, no discussion of the case. Some react in court and you can tell when they believe something or not. I will be curious to see their decision.

[christina]

This is just imo, but how many freakin witnesses that testify to seeing Kevin after 1 does a jury need to see and hear. I thought the murder took place before 1. They have agreed on that, right? It just aggravates me. Also, and I know how easy it is to hash it out over simple, petty things, but I guess he logged on to the computer at the station at 240, otherwise it only takes him 5 minutes to get to his house from the station. You're correct, ISIS is UArk's everything for a student. Accounts, schedules, grades, blah blah. It's SIS at ATU.

I gather the purpose of their testimony is to show Jones was "normal" after supposedly committing a heinous murder of a girl he loved and considered his best friend.

[hawgustusgloop]

Check out this headline from KFSM (who else?):
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6803586

[lorettalockhorn]

Check out this headline from KFSM (who else?):
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6803586

Who else indeed!

[JR2007]

Can/will you state the evidence you are talking about?
The main evidence is the palm print on the bulb.

The next is no alibi.

Laying on the body and placing both hands in the blood.( this has been said to keep her warm, to resuscitate her, to just hold her. ) Which is it. A friend of mine who deals with dead bodies every day, usually in this same time frame, stated that there is no way, anyone would not know that a person who has been dead for 5 to 6 hours was still alive.

Going to the Christmas party with his mother. Something he had never done before. (not just this party but any functions she went to, be it a school function or not.) Of course this one is not hard evidence in any way.
Lying about leaving his house at 11:45 to arrive at the station at noon.
(refuted by Blake)
There are a few other small details that conflict with his orginal taped statements and what is being said now.

[jonikay]

When has he lied? About not touching the lamp? He is asked that question several times during the interview by 2 different officers. He answers differently each time. It is obvious when you watch the tape he is trying to give his best effort at one point he says"I know I tried not to touch anything". These are not lies to me as a lie is intentional. When you see the tape-you see he is freely giving all the information he can.
Lieing aobut the relationship- this is a matter of interpretation. They both had sex with others. Does that mean Jones did not see their relationship as exclusive? You and I might think that but what was Jones definition? What was Nona's definition?
I do not see a consensus here, I see group think. The suppostition by most here is he is guilty and therfeore everything (what he says, how he acts, the evidence)is read through that filter. That is why I keep pointing out that 12 people have sat through all of the evidence in person, no background of the case, no discussion of the case. Some react in court and you can tell when they believe something or not. I will be curious to see their decision.
I will respect the jury's decision. As far as being exclusive is concerned, Kevin is a smart person. I'm sure he knows what exclusive means as he explained during the interrogations. As far as acting normal is concerned, anybody that kills somebody in the fashion that Nona was killed is crazy to begin with. If capable of committing a murder to that degree, capable of acting normal afterwards. But I guess that is neither here nor there. He still doesn't have an alibi between the integral time period. Oh yes, he stated that he only cheated on Nona once. Ryan testified otherwise and another girl was going to testify but wasn't allowed. All of this rolled up together create a lie, no matter what the interpretation. And I also believe that "consensus" and "group think" mean the same thing. The majority of this forum, although possibly unreasonably and wrongly, have come to the "general agreement" or consensus that Kevin has lied on a few occasions. Whether he killed her or not, he still lied. And, Nona's interpretation of the relationship is not an issue at all here. At all. Who knows what she would have said. Maybe if her bloody palm print was on the lamp that killed Kevin, it would matter. But, that's obviously not the case here.

[JR2007]

I have said on more than one occasion that Justice for Nona to me does not include KJ being wrongfully convicted.

Loretta
I agree with this 100%. I had rather let someone who is guilty go free, then to convict someone wrongfully. In a case like this, unless the perp is a sociopathic person, they will have to live with what they've done for the rest of their life, and the next too.

[lorettalockhorn]

When has he lied? About not touching the lamp? He is asked that question several times during the interview by 2 different officers. He answers differently each time. It is obvious when you watch the tape he is trying to give his best effort at one point he says"I know I tried not to touch anything". These are not lies to me as a lie is intentional. When you see the tape-you see he is freely giving all the information he can.
Lieing aobut the relationship- this is a matter of interpretation. They both had sex with others. Does that mean Jones did not see their relationship as exclusive? You and I might think that but what was Jones definition? What was Nona's definition?
I do not see a consensus here, I see group think. The suppostition by most here is he is guilty and therfeore everything (what he says, how he acts, the evidence)is read through that filter. That is why I keep pointing out that 12 people have sat through all of the evidence in person, no background of the case, no discussion of the case. Some react in court and you can tell when they believe something or not. I will be curious to see their decision.

That Kevin told LE that he and Nona were very exclusive, that he told LE that Nona was on her back with her hands crossed over her abdomen, and that he told LE that he was going to propose to Nona that night are what I consider to be lies. How the jury interprets those lies will be interesting.

The whole discovery scenario just seems so wrong to me; if Kevin was trying so hard not to touch anything, why didn't he turn on some lights for pity's sake? Why did he tell the 911 operator that he thought that Nona was dead and then try to "resuscitate" her in a manner that would have done more harm that good? What was he flailing for in the dark during the revival attempt that caused him to reach out in such an awkward manner as to leave the print? How/why did the print which would be completely dry in 45 minutes according to the defense experts, appear to be tacky when Bacon saw it more than 45 minutes after KJ supposedly touched it?

KJ comes off as a liar and the defense has found the most convincing forensic witnesses that money can buy to confound the jury.

[JR2007]

Christina, thanks for posting your notes. I appreciate it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Christina Next was Heather Leavel, Dover teacher, said discussion of Jones attending Christmas Party with mother orginally took place on the 14th. Said she was the one responsible for ordering the meals ahead of time at Savanah's.

I'm a little confused by this. If Kevin was to be mom's date; why did the other woman wait until 4pm on the 15th to clear him as a guest?

[lorettalockhorn]

Then came yet another expert- Smith from Digital Investigations in Atlanta. He did a forensic cell phone search and computer search. Yes, it was pointed out the RPD did not collect the evidence properly. He did what search he could with the superwhamadine program he has and came up with- MSN e-mail was signed onto at 9am the 15th and logged out of at 9:10 am. At 11:15 a temp internet file was created, a png file-picture of a couple, not known who. Another file was created at 5:46 and again at 9:32. Then the computer shows someone went in and accessed the trah and delete files, e-mail inbox account information, contact adresses. this was all on the 16th between 10:45-11:24am. That was about the time the police say they "secured the computer". It was never dusted for prints.


Re: this testimony, did the witness specify if it was actually Nona's computer that was used to access her files and email account or was it another computer in another location? Is the witness suggesting that someone came into Nona's apartment after the apartment had been secured? If another computer was used, wouldn't the user have to know Nona's login and password? If it was another computer that was used, does the IP address tell the expert whose computer was used or at least narrow down the location?

(If these questions don't make sense; just scroll on by. It's getting late!)

[sololobo]

Re: this testimony, did the witness specify if it was actually Nona's computer that was used to access her files and email account or was it another computer in another location? Is the witness suggesting that someone came into Nona's apartment after the apartment had been secured? If another computer was used, wouldn't the user have to know Nona's login and password? If it was another computer that was used, does the IP address tell the expert whose computer was used or at least narrow down the location?

(If these questions don't make sense; just scroll on by. It's getting late!)


You raise an interesting question, Loretta. I assume her account was accessed from her computer.

"Then the computer shows someone went in and accessed the trah and delete files, e-mail inbox account information, contact adresses. this was all on the 16th between 10:45-11:24am." Christina

However, Nona could have granted remote access to her PC to someone. If so and if it was on at the time, that person could have accessed her email through her computer and deleted info from a remote location while the police had it "secured".

Also, I wonder if Nona had or shared a wireless internet connection with someone? Normal wireless network bases will transmit about a 1000 feet. Shared folders would be accessable to anyone on the network or anyone within range if the network was unprotected.

[sololobo]

"How/why did the print which would be completely dry in 45 minutes according to the defense experts, appear to be tacky when Bacon saw it more than 45 minutes after KJ supposedly touched it?" Posted by lorettalockhorn

Bacon made this observation 51 minutes after the approximate time Kevin entered the apartment. We don't know the exact time he may have touched the lamp.

"What was he flailing for in the dark during the revival attempt that caused him to reach out in such an awkward manner as to leave the print?" Posted by lorettalockhorn

It wasn't dark. The light in the living room was not on. Janice Jones read a bank statement and the paramedic said she saw Jones straddling Nona before she switched on the light. There was light in the apartment, enough to read by.

The awkward position assumes the lamp was not moved when Kevin touched it nor was Nona's body. Kevin turned the body over, changing its position and probably pushed the bulb portion of the lamp to a different position. While Bacon did not lie, whether by design or accident, he did mislead us.

"Also, it is important to remember that Kevin Jones himself lied about his own relationship with Nona, stating that they were "very, very exclusive" when he had cheated on her less than a week before her murder. He also lied about how many times he cheated, about the time he got to the station that early afternoon, about whether or not he touched anything at the scene," Posted by jonikay

Again, Kevin's definition of exclusive is all that is important here.

According the the PCS, not Kevin himself, Kevin said he got to the station around noon and the witness there said he didn't see him until 1pm. The PCS was incorrect about the second half of this statement and obviously wrong about the first half.

In moments of crisis, our memories are not completely reliable.

"Oh yes, he stated that he only cheated on Nona once. Ryan testified otherwise and another girl was going to testify but wasn't allowed." Posted by jonikay

What time frame was Whiteside considering and what time frame was Kevin considering?

The judge did not allow the girl's testimony because Kevin already admitted to having sex with her.

[sololobo]

Not as long as the original evidence stands.

I will believe he's innocent when the hard evidence is refuted and proof that he could not have comitted the murder comes forth.
Remember the OJ.

The only original and hard evidence linking Kevin to the crime is the questionable, tacky bloody print.

[christina]

I see your explanations of what you are calling lieing. I do think it would have helped all of you to have seen/heard all the taped "confession" and not just heard/read someone else's interpretation- police included. If a person has firmly in place a belief that Jones is guilty, they will see everything through that filter. In a smaller way, you here have demonstrated what I think the RPD did. As soon as the bloody print matched Jones, they focussed only on him and made all evidence "fit" that belief. Even though York, the last man to text her/try to contact her was interviewed early the next day, and his fingerprints were taken, (telling me he was also a serious supect), and he had no alibi, -a bloody print on a bulb laying immediately next to the victims's body where Jones freely admitted to being on stopped them from looking at anything else critically.

As for consensus versus group think- they are very different. From a sociology class years ago- Consensus is a type of decision making that seeks the agreement of most participants, to achieve the most agreeable decision.

Group think is where you reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas, Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside.

A good example of where the RPD did this was in the Bean testimony yesterday, she said she heard an argument with Nona and her boyfriend. But when Jones was pointed out to her in court, she tells us that is not the boyfriend. Group think would make the RPD think the boyfriend was Jones and not ask Bean to identify/describe the boyfriend.

Another example would be quickly overlooking a table lamp knocked over and a dark liquid spilled by it with a pool underneath. It was photographed and when asked about it Frost testified, it just looked like a messy college person's apartment. Critical thinking might make the connection with York telling them as part of his alibi that he spent time cleaning a spilled coke in his car that morning.

Shower time. It will go the jury today probably.

[FDInLaw]

Check out this headline from KFSM (who else?):
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6803586 That is "funny." The poor jury. . . the PA's expert said the exact opposite. Basically they have to decide who sounds more creditable. From the little I have heard from the courtroom I'm not so sure the defense has this in the bag after all. Their experts do not out credential the State's. But this is merely what I have heard. It is extremely frustrating to depend on others for news. At the end of the day none walk away with the full picture - there is just too much to report. And until a verdict is read we will have no idea how the jury viewed it all.
:patriot:
Prayers for justice. :rose:

[FDInLaw]

No, FD & Hawg, it is NOT a football game, so does that make the chant "Go, Gibbons, go?" in a post ok? Does it FD? Isn't EVERYONE, the 2 of you included, on the Nona forum cocky at times? The defense is doing a good job, they deserve accolades and kuddos.

We can all tell that susieQ has passion about this case, just like you and the other strong minded ones here, and it has been outted a long, long time ago, one of you has that passion for personal reasons. So, why are you so dead set on trying to pin down that susie's her for personal reasons? I'd say most of the time you come off NO better than she.

I think susie knows the serious of the issue and that it is not a contest, but where as she is direct and to the point, most everyone else on here makes those "snippy" comments to others indirectly and misguidedly. I understand you're not use to someone standing up for something they believe in passionately and strong mindedly while they are in the minority instead of cowering to your opinions, but maybe you should learn to respect that in a person.

FD, as for preaching to someone about being too close to the case, posting, and taking it personal, well, now, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I realize you seem to think susie is personally related to the case or is an attorney's wife as you so obviously insinuated (by the way isn't outting someone's identity agains TOS?), but I happen to believe her personally, she is not especially as many times as she has denied it, whether you believe it or not it doesn't really matter. Just a thought, I seriously doubt someone who has been here as consistently as she has been and as passionately would deny knowing KJ or being close to the case as you suggest because she is "ashamed" of knowing him. That's just absurd, IMO.

I think it is just an assanine assumption that you can't believe someone totally unrelated to the case believes KJ is innocent. That, in and of itself, shows how extremely bias you are.

I think the biggest problem you have with both, susieQ and christina, is that they have picked apart and have torn down every theory you have, and have called you out in every way, and seem to have been very right about a lot of things.... tsk tsk The shame of the behavior I've read stemming from the Nona thread for the last couple of days..... And, my, who knows what exchanges go on in private? At the beginning of the trial, it started on a good note, all down here from there.

hawg, You didn't have much to insinuate about about susie or christina's credibility that first night.... you took in every detail of their first hand accounts of Trey York-- most of what was printed in the Courier verified it to be as much as true, but you still throw the inuendo's about credibility..... Anyone can give a link.... so how is that sooo credible? What changed your opinion so much from that night?

It all falls down to what you want to hear and believe. If the door of your mind is shut to all possibilities.... well, then I guess that says it all.....

Or is what really bothers you all, is that so many are now coming forth and posting in the tone of the belief that KJ's is innocent?

FD, hawg, JR and loretta, you all say, you are open to justice being served, even it means the acquittal of KJ, but that is not what many contradicting statements you make show. You show, often that your thoughts are that Jones is guilty, no matter what.

Maybe susie doesn't realize how she comes across sometimes, but I don't think many of you do either, and I've seen a lot of her direct "snippy" comments as in defense to a lot of indirect comments and innuendos that even though indirect is very obvious to whom they are directed..... at least susie owns up to her behavior

All Just My Very Honest and Blunt Opinion

I post very little here, read often, but felt this needed to be said in a BIG way by a peer..... I don't see susie's post as coming of in a competitive tone, but I am getting that overall vibe from a lot of posts, and frankly, it's diappointing to say the least, disheartening at most..... Nor do I see her as taking things "so personal", passionately yes. But it is heard to know the true tone someone it posting in unless you really know the person, and I'd say the same for many, many others..... Double standards seem to apply in a lot of situations here.....Do you feel better now that you have gotten that off your chest? Can we stick with the case now?
:shrug:

[hudnala]

I know there are folks here who think the defense is just using Trey York to muddy the waters, but the more I hear and think about his story, the more I wonder about him. I was thinking today about Trey's refusal to take that 10pm phone call because it was from an unknown number, yet being curious enough about it to have a friend call the number back. Why was Trey reluctant to answer that call? Was he afraid of who it might be? That kind of evasiveness/paranoia/jumpiness stands in stark contrast to the reports of Kevin's normal, chatty, joking behavior that day.

I also found Zack Walker's testimony about the depth of Nona & Trey's relationship interesting. It sounds like LE was always leaning toward this being the act of a spurned/angry lover. Maybe they were right on that count, but didn't realize that there was more than one man in the picture.
I could not have said it better my self! That is why I like being an outsider, I do not know any of these people, just from what I read on here, and the courier. I think I am able to have more of an unbiased opinon. <-------DISCLAIMER , this is the opinon of Hudnala only......

[lorettalockhorn]

You raise an interesting question, Loretta. I assume her account was accessed from her computer.

"Then the computer shows someone went in and accessed the trah and delete files, e-mail inbox account information, contact adresses. this was all on the 16th between 10:45-11:24am." Christina

However, Nona could have granted remote access to her PC to someone. If so and if it was on at the time, that person could have accessed her email through her computer and deleted info from a remote location while the police had it "secured".

Also, I wonder if Nona had or shared a wireless internet connection with someone? Normal wireless network bases will transmit about a 1000 feet. Shared folders would be accessable to anyone on the network or anyone within range if the network was unprotected.

I'm incredulous that someone/anyone outside of LE could get into Nona's apartment at any time after the discovery of her body. It would seem to me that anyone who was close enough to know her login/password would have known that she was dead by the time of the access made on the 16th.

[lorettalockhorn]

No, FD & Hawg, it is NOT a football game, so does that make the chant "Go, Gibbons, go?" in a post ok? Does it FD? Isn't EVERYONE, the 2 of you included, on the Nona forum cocky at times? The defense is doing a good job, they deserve accolades and kuddos.

We can all tell that susieQ has passion about this case, just like you and the other strong minded ones here, and it has been outted a long, long time ago, one of you has that passion for personal reasons. So, why are you so dead set on trying to pin down that susie's her for personal reasons? I'd say most of the time you come off NO better than she.

I think susie knows the serious of the issue and that it is not a contest, but where as she is direct and to the point, most everyone else on here makes those "snippy" comments to others indirectly and misguidedly. I understand you're not use to someone standing up for something they believe in passionately and strong mindedly while they are in the minority instead of cowering to your opinions, but maybe you should learn to respect that in a person.

FD, as for preaching to someone about being too close to the case, posting, and taking it personal, well, now, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? I realize you seem to think susie is personally related to the case or is an attorney's wife as you so obviously insinuated (by the way isn't outting someone's identity agains TOS?), but I happen to believe her personally, she is not especially as many times as she has denied it, whether you believe it or not it doesn't really matter. Just a thought, I seriously doubt someone who has been here as consistently as she has been and as passionately would deny knowing KJ or being close to the case as you suggest because she is "ashamed" of knowing him. That's just absurd, IMO.

I think it is just an assanine assumption that you can't believe someone totally unrelated to the case believes KJ is innocent. That, in and of itself, shows how extremely bias you are.

I think the biggest problem you have with both, susieQ and christina, is that they have picked apart and have torn down every theory you have, and have called you out in every way, and seem to have been very right about a lot of things.... tsk tsk The shame of the behavior I've read stemming from the Nona thread for the last couple of days..... And, my, who knows what exchanges go on in private? At the beginning of the trial, it started on a good note, all down here from there.

hawg, You didn't have much to insinuate about about susie or christina's credibility that first night.... you took in every detail of their first hand accounts of Trey York-- most of what was printed in the Courier verified it to be as much as true, but you still throw the inuendo's about credibility..... Anyone can give a link.... so how is that sooo credible? What changed your opinion so much from that night?

It all falls down to what you want to hear and believe. If the door of your mind is shut to all possibilities.... well, then I guess that says it all.....

Or is what really bothers you all, is that so many are now coming forth and posting in the tone of the belief that KJ's is innocent?

FD, hawg, JR and loretta, you all say, you are open to justice being served, even it means the acquittal of KJ, but that is not what many contradicting statements you make show. You show, often that your thoughts are that Jones is guilty, no matter what.

Maybe susie doesn't realize how she comes across sometimes, but I don't think many of you do either, and I've seen a lot of her direct "snippy" comments as in defense to a lot of indirect comments and innuendos that even though indirect is very obvious to whom they are directed..... at least susie owns up to her behavior

All Just My Very Honest and Blunt Opinion

I post very little here, read often, but felt this needed to be said in a BIG way by a peer..... I don't see susie's post as coming of in a competitive tone, but I am getting that overall vibe from a lot of posts, and frankly, it's diappointing to say the least, disheartening at most..... Nor do I see her as taking things "so personal", passionately yes. But it is heard to know the true tone someone it posting in unless you really know the person, and I'd say the same for many, many others..... Double standards seem to apply in a lot of situations here.....

Where the heck did that come from?

Until, I hear KJ's alibi, I have a tendency to think that he is guilty. How could you have missed that statement as many times as I've made it?

And please tell me, how is leaning towards guilt at this time any less honorable than statements that he is not guilty based on only one or two days of testimony? Plenty of people have made up and/or changed their minds based on incomplete evidence presented.

I'll be considering the complete evidence right along with the jury and wish that I had more unbiased information, but in life you do what you can with what you've got. The jury could very well have a dozen interpretations of the same issues that we don't all agree on here. I just hope that they don't resort to personal attacks and play mind games in order to have a voice in the verdict.

[lorettalockhorn]

"How/why did the print which would be completely dry in 45 minutes according to the defense experts, appear to be tacky when Bacon saw it more than 45 minutes after KJ supposedly touched it?" Posted by lorettalockhorn

Bacon made this observation 51 minutes after the approximate time Kevin entered the apartment. We don't know the exact time he may have touched the lamp.

"What was he flailing for in the dark during the revival attempt that caused him to reach out in such an awkward manner as to leave the print?" Posted by lorettalockhorn

It wasn't dark. The light in the living room was not on. Janice Jones read a bank statement and the paramedic said she saw Jones straddling Nona before she switched on the light. There was light in the apartment, enough to read by.

The awkward position assumes the lamp was not moved when Kevin touched it nor was Nona's body. Kevin turned the body over, changing its position and probably pushed the bulb portion of the lamp to a different position. While Bacon did not lie, whether by design or accident, he did mislead us.

"Also, it is important to remember that Kevin Jones himself lied about his own relationship with Nona, stating that they were "very, very exclusive" when he had cheated on her less than a week before her murder. He also lied about how many times he cheated, about the time he got to the station that early afternoon, about whether or not he touched anything at the scene," Posted by jonikay

Again, Kevin's definition of exclusive is all that is important here.

According the the PCS, not Kevin himself, Kevin said he got to the station around noon and the witness there said he didn't see him until 1pm. The PCS was incorrect about the second half of this statement and obviously wrong about the first half.

In moments of crisis, our memories are not completely reliable.

"Oh yes, he stated that he only cheated on Nona once. Ryan testified otherwise and another girl was going to testify but wasn't allowed." Posted by jonikay

What time frame was Whiteside considering and what time frame was Kevin considering?

The judge did not allow the girl's testimony because Kevin already admitted to having sex with her.

I think it's pretty safe to say that we don't share the same logic and/or philosophies!

[hawgustusgloop]

That Kevin told LE that he and Nona were very exclusive, that he told LE that Nona was on her back with her hands crossed over her abdomen, and that he told LE that he was going to propose to Nona that night are what I consider to be lies. How the jury interprets those lies will be interesting.

The whole discovery scenario just seems so wrong to me; if Kevin was trying so hard not to touch anything, why didn't he turn on some lights for pity's sake? Why did he tell the 911 operator that he thought that Nona was dead and then try to "resuscitate" her in a manner that would have done more harm that good? What was he flailing for in the dark during the revival attempt that caused him to reach out in such an awkward manner as to leave the print? How/why did the print which would be completely dry in 45 minutes according to the defense experts, appear to be tacky when Bacon saw it more than 45 minutes after KJ supposedly touched it?

KJ comes off as a liar and the defense has found the most convincing forensic witnesses that money can buy to confound the jury.

I agree. IMO a major aspect of the defense strategy is "Confuse, confuse, confuse."

[hawgustusgloop]

I see your explanations of what you are calling lieing. I do think it would have helped all of you to have seen/heard all the taped "confession" and not just heard/read someone else's interpretation- police included. If a person has firmly in place a belief that Jones is guilty, they will see everything through that filter. In a smaller way, you here have demonstrated what I think the RPD did. As soon as the bloody print matched Jones, they focussed only on him and made all evidence "fit" that belief. Even though York, the last man to text her/try to contact her was interviewed early the next day, and his fingerprints were taken, (telling me he was also a serious supect), and he had no alibi, -a bloody print on a bulb laying immediately next to the victims's body where Jones freely admitted to being on stopped them from looking at anything else critically.

As for consensus versus group think- they are very different. From a sociology class years ago- Consensus is a type of decision making that seeks the agreement of most participants, to achieve the most agreeable decision.

Group think is where you reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas, Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside.

A good example of where the RPD did this was in the Bean testimony yesterday, she said she heard an argument with Nona and her boyfriend. But when Jones was pointed out to her in court, she tells us that is not the boyfriend. Group think would make the RPD think the boyfriend was Jones and not ask Bean to identify/describe the boyfriend.

Another example would be quickly overlooking a table lamp knocked over and a dark liquid spilled by it with a pool underneath. It was photographed and when asked about it Frost testified, it just looked like a messy college person's apartment. Critical thinking might make the connection with York telling them as part of his alibi that he spent time cleaning a spilled coke in his car that morning.

Shower time. It will go the jury today probably.

Thank you for going to the trial and letting us know what happens.

What makes you sure that Trey York has no alibi? Has that been unquestionably proven?

[hawgustusgloop]

I'd like to address the statement made by more than one poster that K.Jo's personal definition of the phrase "very, very exclusive" is the only one that matters. Even if "very, very exclusive" in his own mind meant something like "sleep with whomever you want but only have feelings for each other," K.Jo IMO is probably smart enough to realize that he does not live in a vacuum. He would have to have an inkling of the impression that specific phrase would have on the officer questioning him. IMO it would at least enter K.Jo's mind that when K.Jo said they were "very, very exclusive," the officer would likely take that to mean that they didn't see other people.

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for going to the trial and letting us know what happens.

What makes you sure that Trey York has no alibi? Has that been unquestionably proven?
Besides an alibi, is there an physical evidence that ties Trey to the murder? I haven't heard of any.

[oxfordwebster]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted, but this has definitely been an interesting thread to follow.

[lorettalockhorn]

I see your explanations of what you are calling lieing. I do think it would have helped all of you to have seen/heard all the taped "confession" and not just heard/read someone else's interpretation- police included. If a person has firmly in place a belief that Jones is guilty, they will see everything through that filter. In a smaller way, you here have demonstrated what I think the RPD did. As soon as the bloody print matched Jones, they focussed only on him and made all evidence "fit" that belief. Even though York, the last man to text her/try to contact her was interviewed early the next day, and his fingerprints were taken, (telling me he was also a serious supect), and he had no alibi, -a bloody print on a bulb laying immediately next to the victims's body where Jones freely admitted to being on stopped them from looking at anything else critically.

As for consensus versus group think- they are very different. From a sociology class years ago- Consensus is a type of decision making that seeks the agreement of most participants, to achieve the most agreeable decision.

Group think is where you reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas, Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside.

A good example of where the RPD did this was in the Bean testimony yesterday, she said she heard an argument with Nona and her boyfriend. But when Jones was pointed out to her in court, she tells us that is not the boyfriend. Group think would make the RPD think the boyfriend was Jones and not ask Bean to identify/describe the boyfriend.

Another example would be quickly overlooking a table lamp knocked over and a dark liquid spilled by it with a pool underneath. It was photographed and when asked about it Frost testified, it just looked like a messy college person's apartment. Critical thinking might make the connection with York telling them as part of his alibi that he spent time cleaning a spilled coke in his car that morning.

Shower time. It will go the jury today probably.

This post reminds me of your theory about the jury makeup last week.

Quote from an old text: "Consensus ensures everybody is going in the same direction, but I feel groupthink ensures everybody is going in the same circle."--Charles Cullinane

If true, this thread definitely represents groupthink!

[lorettalockhorn]

Besides an alibi, is there an physical evidence that ties Trey to the murder? I haven't heard of any.


Some seem to think that DNA from the condom wrapper would have implicated him; I truly believe that if it was his, it wouldn't have been in the apartment, let alone in plain view on the kitchen counter.

[lorettalockhorn]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted, but this has definitely been an interesting thread to follow.


Where ya been? :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted, but this has definitely been an interesting thread to follow.

Welcome back, oxfordwebster! Any thoughts on the case you'd like to share with us?

[lorettalockhorn]

Today's Courier has more coverage of the trial and brings up the defense's criticism of the investigation again. (Not that I disagree at all that it was shoddy.) But I do wonder about why the phone wasn't studies and tested for fingerprints.

I have some questions of my own: First, why wasn't everyone taken out of the apartment as soon as it was determined that it was a crime scene until Bacon and Frost could assess what needed to be examined on the scene?

Second, why was anyone who was inside the apartment not wearing gloves?

Third, since the phone was apparently touched by someone who didn't have the cahonies to admit the idiotic mistake, why wasn't the phone tested anyway and the fingerprints of the Phone Touching Offender ruled out? Wouldn't they have been on file? (Assuming that it was a member of LE that actually touched the phone.)

[oxfordwebster]

Welcome back, oxfordwebster! Any thoughts on the case you'd like to share with us?Sure. It's been a hell of an interesting thing to watch as a case study of what people choose to ignore and leave out when discussing things.

I may just wait to comment until at least the closing statements, since I've sat out this long already. I don't want anybody to think I had my mind made up before the testimony was finished. That would just be irresponsible.

[hudnala]

Besides an alibi, is there an physical evidence that ties Trey to the murder? I haven't heard of any.

Sorry if this post twice....I could not see my reply so I am posting again.

Anway, we will neve know of physical evidence that could have been TY, becasue of the crappy police investigation examples, DNA, fingernail, cell phone, knife etc.

Besides the bloody palm print from KJ, is there any other physical evidence for him? I may have missed it.....

[TJEddie]

Just a question....does Brandy Bean's physical description of Nona's "boyfriend" fit Trey York? Or anyone else that we know of?

[oxfordwebster]

Since no one likes waiting for the Courier to update their website, here are some interesting bits from today's paper about the bloody palm print from yesterday's testimony. Here is a section from Kilbourn's testimony:

Jurors were shown video of the experiments. At the end of the second experiment, Kilbourn said on the video that one of the bulbs had a small speck he described as a “blood clot.”

During cross-examination, Deputy Prosecutor Jeff Phillips questioned Kilbourn about his comment on the video.

“I didn’t shake [the test tube] up well enough—there were a couple of clots that formed,” Kilbourn said.

Prosecution expert Tom bevel testified Tuesday that based on the lack of blood clots found in the palm print, the print was made at the time of the killing. Morrison, Kilbourn’s partner, testified later that day the blood would have to be exposed to air before the clotting process would begin, and it was possible “liquid” blood left Dirksmeyer’s body when she was turned over by Jones, and Jones could have made the print afterward.

Kilbourn testified the blood used in the second experiment was left for three hours to cool and was not exposed to air before it was applied to the light bulbs.

He admitted the experiment was not to record the appearance of the blood, but its actual state, and could not answer if the blood had the same appearance when it was dry as it did when it was almost dry, or “tacky.”

Here is another section of the paper describing it:

On Tuesday, although defense witness John Kilbourn testified a small amount of clotting occurred during one of his approximately hour-long experiments due to the fact that he did not shake a vial containing the blood well enough to fully mix the anticoagulants inside the vial with the blood and prevent “clotting.” At no time, he testified, was his blood sample exposed to air.

“That was my mistake,” he said. The prosecution was quick to point out another: even his treated blood still clotted, rendering the possibility that Dirksmeyer’s untreated blood had not clotted all the more unlikely.Seems pretty significant, to me.

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's Courier:

Zack Walker. am Arkansas Tech University student, testified he had a biology class with Dirksmeyer and York. He said he heard about Dirksmeyer's death at about 10 p.m. Dec. 15 and called York. He said he called York again at about 11 the next morning and York already knew Dirksmeyer was dead.
It was unclear whether Walker knew Dirksmeyer was dead when he called York on Dec. 15. He said during cross-examination he did not remember giving a statement to police that he did not tell York that Dirksmeyer had died "because [he] didn't know." But during later questioning by Robbins, he said he implied to York that Dirksmeyer died without actually saying she was dead.

This is different from what was reported on Channel 4 last night a 6:00.

There is quite a bit of information about the testing procedures used to duplicate the drying time of blood on the bulb, including more obfuscation of the difference between the appearance of the tacky blood and its actual state.

[lorettalockhorn]

Also from today's Courier, the Mary Kincy Benefield article:

Did Kevin Jones have the means and motive to commit the crime of which he stands accused?
Hopefully, the presentation of so many contradictions will not cloud the jury's vision to the extent that they are unable to find an answer to that question, at least, and to render a truth of their own.

Amen.

[lorettalockhorn]

Today's ArDemGaz article, Northwest Arkansas edition:

http://www.nwarktimes.com/adg/News/195988/

[jonikay]

"How/why did the print which would be completely dry in 45 minutes according to the defense experts, appear to be tacky when Bacon saw it more than 45 minutes after KJ supposedly touched it?" Posted by lorettalockhorn

Bacon made this observation 51 minutes after the approximate time Kevin entered the apartment. We don't know the exact time he may have touched the lamp.

"What was he flailing for in the dark during the revival attempt that caused him to reach out in such an awkward manner as to leave the print?" Posted by lorettalockhorn

It wasn't dark. The light in the living room was not on. Janice Jones read a bank statement and the paramedic said she saw Jones straddling Nona before she switched on the light. There was light in the apartment, enough to read by.

The awkward position assumes the lamp was not moved when Kevin touched it nor was Nona's body. Kevin turned the body over, changing its position and probably pushed the bulb portion of the lamp to a different position. While Bacon did not lie, whether by design or accident, he did mislead us.

"Also, it is important to remember that Kevin Jones himself lied about his own relationship with Nona, stating that they were "very, very exclusive" when he had cheated on her less than a week before her murder. He also lied about how many times he cheated, about the time he got to the station that early afternoon, about whether or not he touched anything at the scene," Posted by jonikay

Again, Kevin's definition of exclusive is all that is important here.

According the the PCS, not Kevin himself, Kevin said he got to the station around noon and the witness there said he didn't see him until 1pm. The PCS was incorrect about the second half of this statement and obviously wrong about the first half.

In moments of crisis, our memories are not completely reliable.

"Oh yes, he stated that he only cheated on Nona once. Ryan testified otherwise and another girl was going to testify but wasn't allowed." Posted by jonikay

What time frame was Whiteside considering and what time frame was Kevin considering?

The judge did not allow the girl's testimony because Kevin already admitted to having sex with her.
In reference to your section where you quoted me concerning Kevin's relationship. . . have you been at this trial? I saw the tapes in the courtroom on the same day that the jury saw them. When asked by the detective to describe his relationship with Nona, Kevin stated that they were "very, very exclusive . . . " When asked further, "Have you EVER cheated on Nona?" Kevin said, "once." And for the record, and I have stated this several times on this very forum, the girl that was going to testify about having sex with Kevin was NOT the girl he admitted to on the tape, it was ANOTHER girl. The prosecution wanted her on the stand because it would prove that Kevin lied to law enforcement and solidify Ryan Whiteside's statement that he remembers "times" that Kevin had been unfaithful to Nona. So, Kevin told the detective he cheated on her once and it was more than that. If you choose to disregard what I am saying, that is one thing, but I just wanted to clarify the truth of what Kevin said on the interrogation tape. Also, I have stated several times here before as well; someone who lies is not necessarily a murderer.

[JR2007]

JONIKAY
When you listened to the tapes of KJs statement to the police, did you hear what was said about him leaving home at 11:45 and arriving at the station at Noon. The reason I'm asking is that the testimony given by several at the trial seem to go against this fact. I'd like to know what is really true, which I doubt we ever will know, unless KJ writes a book later telling how he would have murdered her if he was going to. Fiction of coarse.

[lorettalockhorn]

In reference to your section where you quoted me concerning Kevin's relationship. . . have you been at this trial? I saw the tapes in the courtroom on the same day that the jury saw them. When asked by the detective to describe his relationship with Nona, Kevin stated that they were "very, very exclusive . . . " When asked further, "Have you EVER cheated on Nona?" Kevin said, "once." And for the record, and I have stated this several times on this very forum, the girl that was going to testify about having sex with Kevin was NOT the girl he admitted to on the tape, it was ANOTHER girl. The prosecution wanted her on the stand because it would prove that Kevin lied to law enforcement and solidify Ryan Whiteside's statement that he remembers "times" that Kevin had been unfaithful to Nona. So, Kevin told the detective he cheated on her once and it was more than that. If you choose to disregard what I am saying, that is one thing, but I just wanted to clarify the truth of what Kevin said on the interrogation tape. Also, I have stated several times here before as well; someone who lies is not necessarily a murderer.

Jonikay, I totally and completely agree with you that KJ lied. I think that for some reason, some people just don't get it that Kevin had more than one girl on the side and that there is more than one instance of cheating. It was a mistake IMO for Gibbons to agree to having this girl not testify. It would have been a way for the prosecution to delineate KJ's character a little more definitely.

[jonikay]

The prosecution fought it tooth and nail and mentioned that they'd save it for "rebuttal."

[hawgustusgloop]

Courier updates:

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15427
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15425
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15424

[hoglover]

Is there anyone who can take all the testimonies and create for us a timeline? I would like to see the breakdown using what Kevin has said per the PCS and the testimonies of the repairman, granny, mom, the other person who saw him at the station, and whomever else that has a time for him. I would very much like to see this put together. If it was we could see the window of oppurtunity here. MO!

[lorettalockhorn]

I posted this yesterday; the PCS is near the bottom of P5 for you to make comparisons and note any discrepancies.

According to something that I read somewhere, he arrived home the 15th. So this is what I have so far:

12:30am Leaves Nona's, drives home
1:30am Calls Nona
-3:00am Talks with Mom
9:00am gets up, lets Frazier in for inspection, does chores
10:20am Frazier leaves the residence (did he actually state when he last saw KJ?)
11:30am-11:50am Chats with grandmother at station, gets lunch money, mentions that he has change of clothers for Christmas party
12:18pm Pays for sammy at cafe
2:05pm Huggins leaves work, heads to Rville with Kevin driving to do Marva and bank errands (I thought that Huggins told KJ on the phone that he would be off work around 1pm, need help here)
2:45pm Kevin arrives at the station for work

Help me out here anyone, if I've misunderstood or forgotten any testimony. My handwriting is still mush.

[lorettalockhorn]

Courier updates:

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15427
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15425
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15424

Thanks! :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Also, one from KFSM:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6806350

It says that closing arguments are underway and that it could go to the jury this afternoon.

If I see that phrase "beauty queen murder trial" one more time..........

[jonikay]

JONIKAY
When you listened to the tapes of KJs statement to the police, did you hear what was said about him leaving home at 11:45 and arriving at the station at Noon. The reason I'm asking is that the testimony given by several at the trial seem to go against this fact. I'd like to know what is really true, which I doubt we ever will know, unless KJ writes a book later telling how he would have murdered her if he was going to. Fiction of coarse.
All I have in my notes is that Kevin said he went to the station at 12 and got to the Bayou at lunch at 1230. The prosecution also stated this in their opening statements and said that the 1200 time that Kevin got to the station was when he talked to Walker. Kevin never mentioned Frazier and his crew (which is understandable to me if he was in fact asleep when they arrived) and he never mentioned seeing Grandma before 1:00.

[lorettalockhorn]

Also, one from KFSM:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6806350

It says that closing arguments are underway and that it could go to the jury this afternoon.

If I see that phrase "beauty queen murder trial" one more time..........

Agree Hawg, I didn't know her, but to me, she seems much more than a beauty queen. I am touched by the humanity that she showed her stray cats, in awe of her singing talent and saddened that she won't be around to stand as a role model like she did for her "Little". I can only begin to imagine the loss that her family and friends feel.

[jonikay]

BTW, Kevin stated during his interrogation that Nona told him that her "little sister" had cancelled their date.

[lorettalockhorn]

Is there anyone who can take all the testimonies and create for us a timeline? I would like to see the breakdown using what Kevin has said per the PCS and the testimonies of the repairman, granny, mom, the other person who saw him at the station, and whomever else that has a time for him. I would very much like to see this put together. If it was we could see the window of oppurtunity here. MO!


I believe that the timeline should show that at 9:50am, KJ got up and let Frazier into the house.

[hawgustusgloop]

BTW, Kevin stated during his interrogation that Nona told him that her "little sister" had cancelled their date.

What? Was it ever actually cancelled? By either Nona or the Little? Would there be any good reason for Nona to tell K.Jo it was cancelled if it wasn't? Or was this some lie by K.Jo born in light of the fact that K.Jo said he planned to propose, but the police said Nona had other plans?

[lorettalockhorn]

BTW, Kevin stated during his interrogation that Nona told him that her "little sister" had cancelled their date.

Wait! Didn't the Little testify that she was calling Nona's home to verify their plans and then later to find out why Nona was a no-show?

[FDInLaw]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted, but this has definitely been an interesting thread to follow.

Woo Hoo! It's like a reunion around here! Good to see you posting again! :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Wait! Didn't the Little testify that she was calling Nona's home to verify their plans and then later to find out why Nona was a no-show?

From the Courier:

"A 12-year-old student at Russellville Middle School testified Dirksmeyer was her “big sister” as part of a local Big Brothers/Big Sisters program. Dirksmeyer began spending time with the girl when the girl was in fourth grade, she said.
She said Dirksmeyer was supposed to pick her up at 5:30 p.m. Dec. 15 and treat her to dinner at a Chinese restaurant. She said she called Dirksmeyer to confirm their plans beginning at about 2:45 p.m. until about 6:40 p.m. None of the calls were answered, she said."

[lorettalockhorn]

From the Courier:

"A 12-year-old student at Russellville Middle School testified Dirksmeyer was her “big sister” as part of a local Big Brothers/Big Sisters program. Dirksmeyer began spending time with the girl when the girl was in fourth grade, she said.
She said Dirksmeyer was supposed to pick her up at 5:30 p.m. Dec. 15 and treat her to dinner at a Chinese restaurant. She said she called Dirksmeyer to confirm their plans beginning at about 2:45 p.m. until about 6:40 p.m. None of the calls were answered, she said."

Yeah, that's what I thought. I always wondered why Gibbons wanted her to testify. Now we know that it was to establish that Kevin lied. Again.

Thanks, jk and Hawg!

[FDInLaw]

The prosecution fought it tooth and nail and mentioned that they'd save it for "rebuttal."I wonder who they plan to have take the stand today? Will it be in relation to this issue?

[FDInLaw]

Also, one from KFSM:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6806350

It says that closing arguments are underway and that it could go to the jury this afternoon.

If I see that phrase "beauty queen murder trial" one more time..........
I'm with you, the "beauty queen" line is getting old. . . Nona was so much more than that. :mad:

[optimumprimal78]

I know it is supposed to be a 2 week trial but can the jury take as much time to make a ruling or will they be given a time limit?

Hopefully someone who is there will post the closing arguments.

[oxfordwebster]

I wonder who they plan to have take the stand today? Will it be in relation to this issue?From the Courier's update today:

The defense rested its case after calling one witness, a forensic pathologist who disputed the state’s chief medical examiner’s estimate of when Nona Dirksmeyer was killed.

Dr. Jim Lordison, former chief medical examiner for the state of Alabama, told jurors this morning he was not comfortable putting a time frame on when the murder occurred because there was no scientific guidelines to accurately establish time of death in a specific case. He said three generally accepted factors taken into account — rigor mortis, lividity and body temperature — were unreliable.

He also testified he believed the knife wounds made to Dirksmeyer’s neck and shoulder were evidence of likely “torture” that occurred before death. Using defense attorney Michael Robbins‚ niece, he acted out for the jury what he believed was the sequence of events that lead to Dirksmeyer’s death.

He also testified that the absence of blood clots in a bloody palm print belonging to Jones that was found on the light bulb of the alleged murder weapon did not discount the possibility that Jones placed the print at the time the body was discovered.

The court took a recess after the defense rested its case. When proceedings resume later this morning, Special Judge John Patterson will issue jury instructions and both sides will deliver their closing arguments. The jury will then enter into deliberations. Another defense expert to muddy the waters. Also, classy move using one of the defense attorneys' nieces as a prop.

[chambord]

I know it is supposed to be a 2 week trial but can the jury take as much time to make a ruling or will they be given a time limit?

Hopefully someone who is there will post the closing arguments.

Dang!! I wish I could hear those closing arguments. They are going to make or break this case, IMO.

[FDInLaw]

Okay, now that the defense has rested, I'm confused. A few weeks ago they claimed that Jeremy Martin had lie about his relationship with Nona and they requested any computer info the PA had of his. . . but was the kid even mentioned during the trial? Did they just slander him to fish for information? If I were his family I would be LIVID. . . it was in the paper and everything!

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, now that the defense has rested, I'm confused. A few weeks ago they claimed that Jeremy Martin had lie about his relationship with Nona and they requested any computer info the PA had of his. . . but was the kid even mentioned during the trial? Did they just slander him to fish for information? If I were his family I would be LIVID. . . it was in the paper and everything!

No joke. Maybe when the defense read the board and saw how easy it was to make York the scapegoat, they didn't need Martin?

[optimumprimal78]

Okay, now that the defense has rested, I'm confused. A few weeks ago they claimed that Jeremy Martin had lie about his relationship with Nona and they requested any computer info the PA had of his. . . but was the kid even mentioned during the trial? Did they just slander him to fish for information? If I were his family I would be LIVID. . . it was in the paper and everything!

I am kind of perplexed as to why they didn't have him or CH testify.

[TJEddie]

Who among Nona's known acquaintences fits Brandy Bean's physical description of the "boyfriend" she saw....5'7"-5'8", stocky, dark complexion, wore wrist bands.....anybody?

[lorettalockhorn]

From the Courier's update today:

Another defense expert to muddy the waters. Also, classy move using one of the defense attorneys' nieces as a prop.

Sounds to me like some of the oomph of Kilbourne's expertise has been neutralized. Help a girl out here. Is it usual for a murder to be reinacted in court? Is Niece Robbins a budding actress or some sort, children's theatre participant maybe? What an odd thing to put on your resume.


Thanks for posting.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am kind of perplexed as to why they didn't have him or CH testify.

Defense was probably afraid that if they put CH on the stand, that the prosecution would ask her about how distraught she posted KJ was for a week after Nona's death and then bring up the laughing at the funeral and ask if it was really him posting on the pageant board that night. I mean, she was staying with him every night for a week, so if it was him, wouldn't she know? If he was using his computer, it doesn't exactly sound like he was down in the floor, crying and prostrate with grief.

[lorettalockhorn]

Who among Nona's known acquaintences fits Brandy Bean's physical description of the "boyfriend" she saw....5'7"-5'8", stocky, dark complexion, wore wrist bands.....anybody?


One of the news stations reported last week that York wears wide leather wrist bands, don't know if he had them on in court when he testified or not. Don't know about his build. Are leather wrist bands a trend? Sounds uncomfortable, especially in this weather!

[jonikay]

Who among Nona's known acquaintences fits Brandy Bean's physical description of the "boyfriend" she saw....5'7"-5'8", stocky, dark complexion, wore wrist bands.....anybody?
Trey York testified that he wore leather wrist bands. He was dressed nice and appropriately for the trial. I see leather wrist bands quite a bit. For some reason, it seems to be in style. Trey was probably short and Brandy's description fit him pretty well. He testified, however, that he had never taken her trash out, only visited her apartment twice and spent the night only once. According to Trey, it was Nona that visited his dorm room two or three times a week until around Thanksgiving when they both became too busy. I believe this, as that is a very busy time for a typical college student.

[oxfordwebster]

One of the news stations reported last week that York wears wide leather wrist bands, don't know if he had them on in court when he testified or not. Don't know about his build. Are leather wrist bands a trend? Sounds uncomfortable, especially in this weather!From the Courier:

Robbins attempted to have Bean identify a man in a video, but during questioning by 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons, Bean said she never saw the man for more than a minute and never saw his face. Special Judge John Patterson sustained Gibbons’ objection to the tape and would not allow Bean to view it.This was supposed to have occurred in November. I question the ability of someone to identify many characteristics of a person from a minute-long viewing a month or two later.

[hoglover]

I posted this yesterday; the PCS is near the bottom of P5 for you to make comparisons and note any discrepancies.

Thanks for the info! I guess I didn't go back far enough or skipped that page by accident! I will have to go back and :read: again. I also caught the other thing you added to it on down about Kevin letting Frazier in. Now I see the whole picture.

He still had time, MO!

[jonikay]

From the Courier:

This was supposed to have occurred in November. I question the ability of someone to identify many characteristics of a person from a minute-long viewing a month or two later.
I agree with you, oxford. One can give many distinguishing characteristics, but never saw him for more than a minute . . . During Trey's testimony, with the way he was dressed and acted, I doubt she would have been able to single him out anyway. I say this because he looked like a well put-together and dressy sort of a guy, not typical of guys that I have seen wearing wristbands like he says he wore.
Also, it was wristbands and a ball cap.

[lorettalockhorn]

From the Courier:

This was supposed to have occurred in November. I question the ability of someone to identify many characteristics of a person from a minute-long viewing a month or two later.

Considering that she testified that she never saw his face, and that jk says that wrist bands are in style, I probably wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was York.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the info! I guess I didn't go back far enough or skipped that page by accident! I will have to go back and :read: again. I also caught the other thing you added to it on down about Kevin letting Frazier in. Now I see the whole picture.

He still had time, MO!


YW. I should have corrected the wake up time when I copied my version of the timeline for you. Y'all can let me know if I've made any additional mistakes. Yes, I've driven the route (two different ones, in fact), there was time.

[oxfordwebster]

YW. I should have corrected the wake up time when I copied my version of the timeline for you. Y'all can let me know if I've made any additional mistakes. Yes, I've driven the route (two different ones, in fact), there was time.I'm glad you drove the route. Some of the discussion on Russellville travel times lately has been laughably bad. One poster claimed drive the route from Tech to Paradise Donuts at 8 minutes. I then did it right after they posted, and I got around 3.5 minutes one time and then a little over 4 minutes the next, mostly because traffic was backed up from a train that had just came through. Makes me wonder about the veracity of some personal claims being made around here.

[FDInLaw]

I'm glad you drove the route. Some of the discussion on Russellville travel times lately has been laughably bad. One poster claimed drive the route from Tech to Paradise Donuts at 8 minutes. I then did it right after they posted, and I got around 3.5 minutes one time and then a little over 4 minutes the next, mostly because traffic was backed up from a train that had just came through. Makes me wonder about the veracity of some personal claims being made around here. It's sure nice to have you back! :hat:

[FDInLaw]

During opening statements, 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons told the jury Jones made incriminating comments during a five-minute enhanced portion of a videotaped statement he gave to police on the night of Dec. 15, 2005. The defense argued these should be inadmissible given there are multiple portions of the tapes in which Jones cannot be clearly heard without benefit of enhancement, so to play only one enhanced portion would violate the rule of completeness and draw unfair attention to only one section of his statement, taken out of context.
The jury has yet to see this enhanced tape and, as the state has rested its case, isn’t likely to. From the transcript Gibbons read aloud, though, the jurors know that Jones is alleged to have said “screw the f------” in reference to Dirksmeyer. It could be true, then, as the prosecution has implied, that Jones was referring to infidelities he perceived on the part of Dirksmeyer.
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15424

Today I was wondering what kind of case the PA laid out for motive. I didn't realize that the jury was read this statement. I wonder if they were also read the "I'm sorry" part (however it was worded)???

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm glad you drove the route. Some of the discussion on Russellville travel times lately has been laughably bad. One poster claimed drive the route from Tech to Paradise Donuts at 8 minutes. I then did it right after they posted, and I got around 3.5 minutes one time and then a little over 4 minutes the next, mostly because traffic was backed up from a train that had just came through. Makes me wonder about the veracity of some personal claims being made around here.

I could not agree more!

[matlock]

Could the comment Jones made during questioning possibly been directed at the officers. I mean if I was in that type of situation being badgered than I would problably say that too. :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

Could the comment Jones made during questioning possibly been directed at the officers. I mean if I was in that type of situation being badgered than I would problably say that too. :seeya:

Welcome to the discussion! To which comment are you referring?

[matlock]

Screw the F*****. I have been keeping up with this message board for sometime now and have always been hesitant to post. Just thinking out loud...

[FDInLaw]

Could the comment Jones made during questioning possibly been directed at the officers. I mean if I was in that type of situation being badgered than I would problably say that too. :seeya: I'm not sure which comments you are referring to. . . the one I sighted was made when Kevin was alone and appeared to be a prayer.

WELCOME TO THE BOARD! :seeya:

[jonikay]

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15424

Today I was wondering what kind of case the PA laid out for motive. I didn't realize that the jury was read this statement. I wonder if they were also read the "I'm sorry" part (however it was worded)???

All that you heard on the news (was it in a Courier article) about the Lord keeping her with the Angels and bless her soul, or whatever he said, was read to the jury during opening statements. It didn't make a ton of sense when he said it, since the testimony hadn't began. It would be a good idea for him to bring it up during closing arguments, imo if he wants to piece it together. Also, I was in the courtroom when the jury took a recess and I heard the tape. I couldn't hear what he was saying at all, but it was really loud in there and call me an idiot, but I think people were being loud on purpose. They were opening doors, closing doors, talking, etc.The judge wouldn't allow it because he couldn't hear what was being said, even though Gibbons was giving him a word for word. Besides that, he'd already told the jury what it said. Also, the short prosecutor told Patterson that it was his opinion that the unenhanced tape was much more clear than the enhanced version. So, I don't know if they want to work on it and present it again, or if they just decided not to use it. Anyway, this was the same time that both sides fought whether or not to let the jury hear the EXTRA girl's testimony of having sex with Kevin.

BTW, the statement that you have heard where it sounds that Kevin is saying a prayer . . . it is in the same statement, in the middle of the statement actually, that Kevin says "screw the . . ."

[hawgustusgloop]

According to KFSM, the jury has begun deliberations:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6808434

[FDInLaw]

Screw the F*****. I have been keeping up with this message board for sometime now and have always been hesitant to post. Just thinking out loud...

This comment was made when he was alone. Think out loud all you like! :)

[matlock]

During opening statements, 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons told the jury Jones made incriminating comments during a five-minute enhanced portion of a videotaped statement he gave to police on the night of Dec. 15, 2005. The defense argued these should be inadmissible given there are multiple portions of the tapes in which Jones cannot be clearly heard without benefit of enhancement, so to play only one enhanced portion would violate the rule of completeness and draw unfair attention to only one section of his statement, taken out of context.
The jury has yet to see this enhanced tape and, as the state has rested its case, isn’t likely to. From the transcript Gibbons read aloud, though, the jurors know that Jones is alleged to have said “screw the f------” in reference to Dirksmeyer. It could be true, then, as the prosecution has implied, that Jones was referring to infidelities he perceived on the part of Dirksmeyer.


I find it hard pressed to say this comment was directed towards Nona. I believe there is a better possiblity that it was directed towards the officers (if we can even call them that!) questioning him.

[jonikay]

Referred to my notes of the opening statements. This is what Gibbons said that Kevin said while alone in the interrogation room:
"Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn't mean any harm. Screw the f... Please keep her safe, please Lord. I am so sorry."

[lorettalockhorn]

Screw the F*****. I have been keeping up with this message board for sometime now and have always been hesitant to post. Just thinking out loud...


Hey matlock. :seeya: You're saying that perhaps KJ was calling LE f****** in light of the fact that he felf badgered? It's possible. Apparently, he was irate or frustrated about something, what with the outburst and fist pounding.

[oxfordwebster]

I find it hard pressed to say this comment was directed towards Nona. I believe there is a better possiblity that it was directed towards the officers (if we can even call them that!) questioning him.I don't see how you could think this unless you completely removed all of the context surrounding the statement. This was read out loud and has been reported on, and saying it was in reference to LE seems like a stretch.

[matlock]

what would you do? really just think about it. would you just sit there and be calm?...doubt it!! I believe that is a totally normal reaction for someone in that type of situation IMO

[FDInLaw]

During opening statements, 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons told the jury Jones made incriminating comments during a five-minute enhanced portion of a videotaped statement he gave to police on the night of Dec. 15, 2005. The defense argued these should be inadmissible given there are multiple portions of the tapes in which Jones cannot be clearly heard without benefit of enhancement, so to play only one enhanced portion would violate the rule of completeness and draw unfair attention to only one section of his statement, taken out of context.
The jury has yet to see this enhanced tape and, as the state has rested its case, isn’t likely to. From the transcript Gibbons read aloud, though, the jurors know that Jones is alleged to have said “screw the f------” in reference to Dirksmeyer. It could be true, then, as the prosecution has implied, that Jones was referring to infidelities he perceived on the part of Dirksmeyer.


I find it hard pressed to say this comment was directed towards Nona. I believe there is a better possiblity that it was directed towards the officers (if we can even call them that!) questioning him.

Referred to my notes of the opening statements. This is what Gibbons said that Kevin said while alone in the interrogation room:
"Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn't mean any harm. Screw the f... Please keep her safe, please Lord. I am so sorry."
Matlock,

It appears that it was directed at Nona when you read the whole statement. :(

[lorettalockhorn]

During opening statements, 5th Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons told the jury Jones made incriminating comments during a five-minute enhanced portion of a videotaped statement he gave to police on the night of Dec. 15, 2005. The defense argued these should be inadmissible given there are multiple portions of the tapes in which Jones cannot be clearly heard without benefit of enhancement, so to play only one enhanced portion would violate the rule of completeness and draw unfair attention to only one section of his statement, taken out of context.
The jury has yet to see this enhanced tape and, as the state has rested its case, isn’t likely to. From the transcript Gibbons read aloud, though, the jurors know that Jones is alleged to have said “screw the f------” in reference to Dirksmeyer. It could be true, then, as the prosecution has implied, that Jones was referring to infidelities he perceived on the part of Dirksmeyer.

I find it hard pressed to say this comment was directed towards Nona. I believe there is a better possiblity that it was directed towards the officers (if we can even call them that!) questioning him.

I never interpreted it as being directed specifically at Nona. And the first time that I saw it in The Courier (or Gazette), it was an eff and six *s, indicating plural. Today's edition showed it as a six letter word, indicating singular. Sounds nitpicky, but maybe it makes a difference. Maybe not, it could be that the value of the statement/tape is that it shows that KJ is capable of mercurial behavior.

Can our court reporters tell us which it was? singular or plural?

[lorettalockhorn]

Matlock,

It appears that it was directed at Nona when you read the whole statement. :(

In the context of the entire statement, if the word is singular, rather than plural, I would likely agree.

[hawgustusgloop]

Referred to my notes of the opening statements. This is what Gibbons said that Kevin said while alone in the interrogation room:
"Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn't mean any harm. Screw the f... Please keep her safe, please Lord. I am so sorry."

jonikay, you saw the tape. So, do you think the police were badgering K.Jo? How were they treating him?

[matlock]

I can really see how the context of that comment were similar to "please lord, keep her safe...." (sorry but give me a break) IMO he was venting his frustration with the officer while making these other statements. Why would you say Screw the F*** when you are praying to lord to keep them safe. If you ask me saying he was saying Screw Nona is a bit of a stretch. However, people always read what they want to and interpret things differently. I guess I just have a different picture playing out in my mind.

[jonikay]

I never interpreted it as being directed specifically at Nona. And the first time that I saw it in The Courier (or Gazette), it was an eff and six *s, indicating plural. Today's edition showed it as a six letter word, indicating singular. Sounds nitpicky, but maybe it makes a difference. Maybe not, it could be that the value of the statement/tape is that it shows that KJ is capable of mercurial behavior.

Can our court reporters tell us which it was? singular or plural?
It was plural.

[matlock]

I rest my case!!

[jonikay]

jonikay, you saw the tape. So, do you think the police were badgering K.Jo? How were they treating him?
Kevin was cooperative and the police were asking him questions in a conversation type of way. The defense never mentioned that he was being badgered. He was, however, aggravated at being there for so long. After a few minutes of being in a room by himself, Kevin would get up and knock on the door and pace back and forth. I wasn't there at the very beginning of the interrogation, I was not in the courtroom. christina was and stated that he was very emotional at the beginning . . . he had calmed down and was, like I said, very cooperative and answered every question asked with a great amount of detail.

[hawgustusgloop]

I can really see how the context of that comment were similar to "please lord, keep her safe...." (sorry but give me a break) IMO he was venting his frustration with the officer while making these other statements. Why would you say Screw the F*** when you are praying to lord to keep them safe. If you ask me saying he was saying Screw Nona is a bit of a stretch. However, people always read what they want to and interpret things differently. I guess I just have a different picture playing out in my mind.

I kind of surmised that the word itself was directed toward whichever guys Nona was seeing that K.Jo might have been mad enough about to kill her (if he is guilty) like, "Screw those guys, Nona didn't deserve this. I'm so sorry, etc."

[FDInLaw]

In the context of the entire statement, if the word is singular, rather than plural, I would likely agree.
I'm not sure I follow. . . if he stated it as plural it may have been a reference to her being with other guys.

moo

[matlock]

does it strike anyone else as odd...

I read that finger prints were found on the pole and base of the lamp. Have these been analyzed. It seems to me that whoever these prints belong to is problably the killer. PICTURE IT! If you are picking up a floor lamp how will you hold it. (one hand on the pole, the other lifting the base from the floor) If you ask me those prints could be the answer we are all waiting for.

[lorettalockhorn]

I can really see how the context of that comment were similar to "please lord, keep her safe...." (sorry but give me a break) IMO he was venting his frustration with the officer while making these other statements. Why would you say Screw the F*** when you are praying to lord to keep them safe. If you ask me saying he was saying Screw Nona is a bit of a stretch. However, people always read what they want to and interpret things differently. I guess I just have a different picture playing out in my mind.

hmmm I never use the eff word when I am praying, but that's just me. KJ's behavior on finding Nona's body was so bizarre, that I guess I wasn't surprised to that he had an outburst at the police station.

[hawgustusgloop]

does it strike anyone else as odd...

I read that finger prints were found on the pole and base of the lamp. Have these been analyzed. It seems to me that whoever these prints belong to is problably the killer. PICTURE IT! If you are picking up a floor lamp how will you hold it. (one hand on the pole, the other lifting the base from the floor) If you ask me those prints could be the answer we are all waiting for.

I know one of those prints was analyzed for sure. A palm print matching K.Jo's was found in Nona's blood and was made at what an expert testified to being the time of the killing.

[oxfordwebster]

does it strike anyone else as odd...

I read that finger prints were found on the pole and base of the lamp. Have these been analyzed. It seems to me that whoever these prints belong to is problably the killer. PICTURE IT! If you are picking up a floor lamp how will you hold it. (one hand on the pole, the other lifting the base from the floor) If you ask me those prints could be the answer we are all waiting for.Did you miss out on the bloody palm print that had no evidence of clotting in it that indicates that it had to have been placed at the time of the murder or something?

A certified latent print examiner (and there aren't many of them) said that he and his colleagues agreed that those prints were not suitable for comparison.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not sure I follow. . . if he stated it as plural it may have been a reference to her being with other guys.

moo

I was thinking that in the context of the entire statement that if it was singular, it was directed at Nona. If it was plural, it was directed at her and her other partner. The first time that I saw the statement in print, I counted a total of seven letters (once again using my trusty magnifying glass), today's paper showed it as a six letter word; singular.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did you miss out on the bloody palm print that had no evidence of clotting in it that indicates that it had to have been placed at the time of the murder or something?

A certified latent print examiner (and there aren't many of them) said that he and his colleagues agreed that those prints were not suitable for comparison.

Oxford, the prosecution maintains that the lack of clotting indicates that the print was made at the time of the murder. The defense argues that the print was made at the time of discovery from unclotted blood that flowed out of the head wound when Nona was turned over.

[matlock]

No, like I said I've been keeping up with this case the entire time. Ever since my mom woke me to tell me she had been killed. I've read everything there is to read about this and I'm just stating my questions. I find it hard to trust anything the RPD has to say in terms of the way this case has been handled. I'm just stating that these prints are the key (i believe) not the palm print on the light bulb. The prints on the lamp base and pole.

[FDInLaw]

I can really see how the context of that comment were similar to "please lord, keep her safe...." (sorry but give me a break) IMO he was venting his frustration with the officer while making these other statements. Why would you say Screw the F*** when you are praying to lord to keep them safe. If you ask me saying he was saying Screw Nona is a bit of a stretch. However, people always read what they want to and interpret things differently. I guess I just have a different picture playing out in my mind.
HUGS! I can see how it would be hard to imagine Kevin saying such a thing. :rose:

I have to admit I have always seen it as a reference to Nona sleeping around and still do. I wonder how the jury took it?

[oxfordwebster]

Oxford, the prosecution maintains that the lack of clotting indicates that the print was made at the time of the murder. The defense argues that the print was made at the time of discovery from unclotted blood that flowed out of the head wound when Nona was turned over.I think that after over six hours to a body that was termed "cold" by Janice Jones, there would have been enough clotting both internally and at the numerous wounds that it would have mixed in if he actually left the prints at the time of discovery.

Kilbourne unwittingly helped the prosecution. Even after adding an anticoagulant to the test tubes, in blood that had never been exposed to air, there was evidence of coagulation before the blood was exposed to the air and applied to the test light bulb. It only mentioned that it was blood cooled to 60 degrees during this particular experiment and not how long it was in the test tube.

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 5's poorly written and poorly reported summary stated that the case went to the jury (around 4pm) after about 2 1/2 hours of closing statements. The lightbulb is the key. JJones can be heard on the 911 tape telling KJ not to touch anything. Grandmother's alibi may not be considered truthful since Kevin never mentioned that he spent time with her in the morning.

Channel 7's report began with the defense's criticism of LE. They reiterated that the issue is whether or not the print was made from unclotted blood at the time of death or unclotted blood from the scene when Nona's body was discovered. They also reported that part of the defense's closing argument was that Nona's family deserves a better investigation.

[jonikay]

No, like I said I've been keeping up with this case the entire time. Ever since my mom woke me to tell me she had been killed. I've read everything there is to read about this and I'm just stating my questions. I find it hard to trust anything the RPD has to say in terms of the way this case has been handled. I'm just stating that these prints are the key (i believe) not the palm print on the light bulb. The prints on the lamp base and pole.
Those were latent prints, ones that have to be lifted with dust, etc. Any person that has ever been in Nona's apartment could have touched the lamp. Also, it could be that the lamp was a hand-me-down, so that gives a whole extra network of folks. The print on the bulb was made in Nona's blood.

[chambord]

According to KFSM, the jury has begun deliberations:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6808434


Thank you for the info.

My prayers are with the jury as the set upon this path, may they make the right decision in what is the most difficult task for anyone to do. Decide the fate of another human being. My thoughts and prayers are with them on their journey.

:rose:

[matlock]

Does anyone know if there will be immediate coverage of the verdict? Will one of the "eyes and ears" in the court room be able to post on the message board?

[lorettalockhorn]

HUGS! I can see how it would be hard to imagine Kevin saying such a thing. :rose:

I have to admit I have always seen it as a reference to Nona sleeping around and still do. I wonder how the jury took it?

They may take it in the sense of butter won't melt in Kevin's mouth. Like I do.

[sololobo]

In reference to your section where you quoted me concerning Kevin's relationship. . . have you been at this trial? I saw the tapes in the courtroom on the same day that the jury saw them. When asked by the detective to describe his relationship with Nona, Kevin stated that they were "very, very exclusive . . . " When asked further, "Have you EVER cheated on Nona?" Kevin said, "once." And for the record, and I have stated this several times on this very forum, the girl that was going to testify about having sex with Kevin was NOT the girl he admitted to on the tape, it was ANOTHER girl. The prosecution wanted her on the stand because it would prove that Kevin lied to law enforcement and solidify Ryan Whiteside's statement that he remembers "times" that Kevin had been unfaithful to Nona. So, Kevin told the detective he cheated on her once and it was more than that. If you choose to disregard what I am saying, that is one thing, but I just wanted to clarify the truth of what Kevin said on the interrogation tape. Also, I have stated several times here before as well; someone who lies is not necessarily a murderer.

I was not there, but Christina was.

"After the jury left the room, the prosecution said they want to bring in the girl Jones says he had sex with(she was apparantly waiting in the hall). The defense said there was no reason to corroborate that as Jones had just testified(via the tape) that he had sex. The judge agreed with the defense." Posted by christina 07-13-2007, 06:55 AM

The next day your take on it.

"Unless the jury has been taken out of the courtroom for a recess and the question arises about bringing yet another of KJ's trysts in to testify in front of the jury, Patterson stating that "all that proves is that he had sex." Inappropriate laughs echo from Jones' side of the courtroom . . . where you were sitting, right?" Posted by jonikay 07-14-2007, 04:10 PM

chistina's next comment on this incident.

"I remember now the incident jonikay shared. I was in the courtroom when the judge ruled on whether the girl Jones had sex with could testify. The jury was gone at that time The prosecution wanted to bring her in as a witness to testify that they did have sex. The defense said it was unneccessary because on the taped interview, Jones himself volunteers that information to the officers. He gives them a date, time, and place. The judge ruled that since the defendent himself admits it, it does not need coroboration. The prosecution kept argueing until the judge, appearing exasperated says, all she is going to do is say what Jones admitted they did- they had sex, we already know that." Posted by christina 07-14-2007, 04:59 PM

Two different descriptions of the same event?

[FDInLaw]

No, like I said I've been keeping up with this case the entire time. Ever since my mom woke me to tell me she had been killed. I've read everything there is to read about this and I'm just stating my questions. I find it hard to trust anything the RPD has to say in terms of the way this case has been handled. I'm just stating that these prints are the key (i believe) not the palm print on the light bulb. The prints on the lamp base and pole.

Unfortunately for Kevin, his print made in blood does make more of statement than any of the other prints. The fact that the palm print was in Nona's blood narrows down when it was made. Regular prints could have been (and most probably were) made before the actual day of the murder. JMO

[FDInLaw]

Thank you for the info.

My prayers are with the jury as the set upon this path, may they make the right decision in what is the most difficult task for anyone to do. Decide the fate of another human being. My thoughts and prayers are with them on their journey.

:rose:
Prayers for the jury. . . :rose: :rose: :rose:

[2lakes]

Referred to my notes of the opening statements. This is what Gibbons said that Kevin said while alone in the interrogation room:
"Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn't mean any harm. Screw the f... Please keep her safe, please Lord. I am so sorry."

My first thought when I read this for the first time was that the "screw the ...." could have been directed at another man in Nona's life & the same person that he became enraged over. He could have been mumbling thoughts about Nona and then said angered thoughts almost like blaming the other guy for why it happened. JMO.

[chambord]

Prayers for the jury. . . :rose: :rose: :rose:

And prayers for Nona and her family. Today has to be as difficult to endure, as the news of her death.

It didn't have to happen.

I offer my prayers to KJ's family also. I can't imagine what they must be going thru.

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 7's report began with the defense's criticism of LE. They reiterated that the issue is whether or not the print was made from unclotted blood at the time of death or unclotted blood from the scene when Nona's body was discovered. They also reported that part of the defense's closing argument was that Nona's family deserves a better investigation.

This was on Channel 4, not seven.

[JR2007]

Unfortunately for Kevin, his print made in blood does make more of statement than any of the other prints. The fact that the palm print was in Nona's blood narrows down when it was made. Regular prints could have been (and most probably were) made before the actual day of the murder. JMO
I believe that 2 print experts with the crime lab out of Little Rock both stated that there were not enough markers on any of the prints on the base of the lamp to make any kind of match for or against anyone. IIRC.

[JR2007]

My first thought when I read this for the first time was that the "screw the ...." could have been directed at another man in Nona's life & the same person that he became enraged over. He could have been mumbling thoughts about Nona and then said angered thoughts almost like blaming the other guy for why it happened. JMO.

Jonikay says it was plural so that seems that he could have been directing it to the LE or Nona and a lover. Screw the F***ers..

[FDInLaw]

I believe that 2 print experts with the crime lab out of Little Rock both stated that there were not enough marks on any of the prints on the base of the lamp to make any kind of match for or against anyone. IIRC.
Come to think of it, I've read that too. I was trying to make the point that prints made in blood are far more incriminating.
:seeya:

[JR2007]

Come to think of it, I've read that too. I was trying to make the point that prints made in blood are far more incriminating.
:seeya:
Yes, I agree that the one in blood is the only one that was made at a time that has any significance.

I really doubt that they will have a verdict tonight although the judge will let them go on deliberating until they get tired. IIRC.

[FDInLaw]

I can't believe the jury is deliberating now! How long do ya'll think it will take them? I'm thinking we'll hear something tomorrow???

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[lorettalockhorn]

I can't believe the jury is deliberating now! How long do ya'll think it will take them? I'm thinking we'll hear something tomorrow???

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Agree.

Channel 4 reported at 6:00 that both the prosecution and defense asked the jury to watch the tapes again (interrogation), which would take about three hours. They didn't specifically say that's what they are doing at this time.

Channel 5 reported one thing that I have never heard before; that KJ didn't use his phone the morning of the 15th, but that he responded to one text message in person. Can anyone clue me in?

[TJEddie]

I believe that 2 print experts with the crime lab out of Little Rock both stated that there were not enough markers on any of the prints on the base of the lamp to make any kind of match for or against anyone. IIRC.

I believe you're right. However, I seem to recall one expert disputing this, saying something like 3 ridges are sufficient for comparison. Anyone else remember this being said?

There was also something about Kevin, Janice, Ryan and Trey's fingerprints being compared to something and all of them being eliminated as having made them. Anyone remember where those prints were from?

[JR2007]

hmmm I never use the eff word when I am praying, but that's just me. KJ's behavior on finding Nona's body was so bizarre, that I guess I wasn't surprised to that he had an outburst at the police station.

What do you do Loretta wait until you are done praying then use the F word.:D

[JR2007]

I believe you're right. However, I seem to recall one expert disputing this, saying something like 3 ridges are sufficient for comparison. Anyone else remember this being said?

There was also something about Kevin, Janice, Ryan and Trey's fingerprints being compared to something and all of them being eliminated as having made them. Anyone remember where those prints were from?

I believe the other expert was talking about Bacon. Which is an expert in finger printing. He thought the prints had enough to rule out certain people. Which I believe were the 4 you mentioned above. IIRC

[lorettalockhorn]

I believe you're right. However, I seem to recall one expert disputing this, saying something like 3 ridges are sufficient for comparison. Anyone else remember this being said?

There was also something about Kevin, Janice, Ryan and Trey's fingerprints being compared to something and all of them being eliminated as having made them. Anyone remember where those prints were from?

Is this what you refer to?

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=15413

From yesterday's Courier: Humphries, a certified latent fingerprint examiner and one of about 7-12 in the state, said after conducting an analysis of two sets of fingerprints found on the base and pole of a floor lamp the prosecution says is the murder weapon, he determined the prints were not suitable for comparison.
“There were not enough suitable minutial points for comparison,” he said. “They do not possess enough points [of comparison] to include or exclude anybody,” Humphries said.
Former Russellville Police Chief James Bacon, also a certified latent fingerprint examiner, testified Friday he believed there was enough detail in the prints to compare them to those of Kevin Jones, Janice Jones, Whiteside and Trey York. Bacon reported the prints on the lamp did not match prints provided by the four.

[lorettalockhorn]

What do you do Loretta wait until you are done praying then use the F word.:D

Hey! I resemble that remark!

[JR2007]

I can't believe the jury is deliberating now! How long do ya'll think it will take them? I'm thinking we'll hear something tomorrow???

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[TJEddie]

Thanks, Loretta, that's what I was looking for. The only question in my mind is this.....was Bacon's exclusion of the four people valid? Bacon says he has the expertise to make the determination with such limited data, another expert says it can't be done.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks, Loretta, that's what I was looking for. The only question in my mind is this.....was Bacon's exclusion of the four people valid? Bacon says he has the expertise to make the determination with such limited data, another expert says it can't be done.

Dunno. I think at this point the question is moot. (Picture Jackie Chiles!) There is no telling what the jury will think of any contradictions or obfuscations.

[upallnight]

:rose: Dear Lord, I pray you guide this jury with the truth that only you, the killer and Nona know what happened. I pray for the families, and I pray for Justice For Nona no matter who killed her. I know that is what we all want.

[FDInLaw]

:rose: Dear Lord, I pray you guide this jury with the truth that only you, the killer and Nona know what happened. I pray for the families, and I pray for Justice For Nona no matter who killed her. I know that is what we all want.


:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Brainstorm]

:rose: Dear Lord, I pray you guide this jury with the truth that only you, the killer and Nona know what happened. I pray for the families, and I pray for Justice For Nona no matter who killed her. I know that is what we all want.

I too am praying for JUSTICE FOR NONA.sincerely,brainstorm

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 4 reported at 10:00 that the jury deliberated for about three hours before asking to be dismissed until morning. They aked the judge if they could receive information about "Jarrod", who had sent Nona text message(s). The judge told them no, since he is not a part of the case; they can only consider evidence presented during the trial.

:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

From the Channel 11 website:

Before the jurors left they had questions for the judge. They asked who sent Dirksmeyer a text message the day she died, and asked whether police investigated that person.

Judge John Patterson said those questions could not be answered. He said that jurors had to go with the information that was already presented.

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=49221

[JR2007]

You have to really feel for the Jones' right now they will be suffering along with him if he is convicted, and if not convicted, and they know he is guilty then they and he will have to live with that fact the rest of their lives.
Nona's family has suffered their worst already and will continue to live with that loss for ever.
It's all so sad, all because people can't control their anger.

[upallnight]

I was not there, but Christina was.

"After the jury left the room, the prosecution said they want to bring in the girl Jones says he had sex with(she was apparantly waiting in the hall). The defense said there was no reason to corroborate that as Jones had just testified(via the tape) that he had sex. The judge agreed with the defense." Posted by christina 07-13-2007, 06:55 AM

The next day your take on it.

"Unless the jury has been taken out of the courtroom for a recess and the question arises about bringing yet another of KJ's trysts in to testify in front of the jury, Patterson stating that "all that proves is that he had sex." Inappropriate laughs echo from Jones' side of the courtroom . . . where you were sitting, right?" Posted by jonikay 07-14-2007, 04:10 PM



chistina's next comment on this incident.

"I remember now the incident jonikay shared. I was in the courtroom when the judge ruled on whether the girl Jones had sex with could testify. The jury was gone at that time The prosecution wanted to bring her in as a witness to testify that they did have sex. The defense said it was unneccessary because on the taped interview, Jones himself volunteers that information to the officers. He gives them a date, time, and place. The judge ruled that since the defendent himself admits it, it does not need coroboration. The prosecution kept argueing until the judge, appearing exasperated says, all she is going to do is say what Jones admitted they did- they had sex, we already know that." Posted by christina 07-14-2007, 04:59 PM

Two different descriptions of the same event?

What jonikay states is what has been reported in the local paper so it must have been heard that way by more than her if that helps any.
:seeya:

[sololobo]

What jonikay states is what has been reported in the local paper so it must have been heard that way by more than her if that helps any.
:seeya:

Can you provide a link for this story? Or the date and name of the article? I have been unable to find any mention of this in the local paper.

[sololobo]

I'd like to address the statement made by more than one poster that K.Jo's personal definition of the phrase "very, very exclusive" is the only one that matters. Even if "very, very exclusive" in his own mind meant something like "sleep with whomever you want but only have feelings for each other," K.Jo IMO is probably smart enough to realize that he does not live in a vacuum. He would have to have an inkling of the impression that specific phrase would have on the officer questioning him. IMO it would at least enter K.Jo's mind that when K.Jo said they were "very, very exclusive," the officer would likely take that to mean that they didn't see other people.


In the tapes, he terms his and Dirksmeyer’s relationship as “very, very exclusive,” and tells investigators, “I was her best friend, and she was my best friend.”

http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=15351

I would like to know what Kevin meant when he made this statement and the context of the conversation. There is no mention of sex here. What were they discussing at the time? The latter part of his quote raises my question.

[sololobo]

I think it's pretty safe to say that we don't share the same logic and/or philosophies!

True, but this is a good thing. Diversity makes life interesting:) I respect your opinions and your posts keep me thinking. I believe the ultimate form of flattery on this board is being quoted by others:)

[nobody]

my spouse, who is notorious for ruining good movies by guessing their outcome, posed this idea:
In consideration - I do not know this person, but it is just a thought.
Think of a typical father/daughter-in-law relationship - a little skeptical. I'm now thinking back to her neighbor's testimony of the man that beat on her door that week and took her car keys, and also the raised voices in their conversation. Then I'm thinking about the release of the cell phone - and evidence removed. He has also been very attacking and unyielding against his thoughts on Kevin. It is a touchy conclusion - so I will not come out and say it - but I think you get the idea of the suggestion.

I can not speak for Kevin, only because he was a youth when I lived in the area. However, I do know his family is close. Janice (his mom) was my teacher and is respected and loved by the community - she has always been the kindess person - so, it has been hard to read skeptical remarks about her.

[oxfordwebster]

It is a touchy conclusion - so I will not come out and say it - but I think you get the idea of the suggestion.I'm so glad that we can have all of these new posters registered just to throw out theories about York and Duane. It doesn't come across as suspiscious, at all!

Face it: You people need to stop ignoring the evidence that ties Jones to the scene. If you can explain it away, then maybe you can show us the evidence that Duane Dipert or Trey York were involved with her murder.

[oxfordwebster]

Today's Courier mentions that Carol Dipert took the stand and said the "coke stain" in Nona's apartment had been there since she moved in, and it was in a part of the apartment they hadn't gotten around to repainting yet.

Not that it really ever mattered. I don't think anyone believed that York could spill a coke in Nona's apartment and have it travel through a small wormhole and also land in his car.

[lorettalockhorn]

True, but this is a good thing. Diversity makes life interesting:) I respect your opinions and your posts keep me thinking. I believe the ultimate form of flattery on this board is being quoted by others:)

So true! I've read all of your posts and especially enjoyed your crime scenarios.

I'm all for diversity. In fact, who could be more diverse in opinion and temperament than Leroy and Loretta Lockhorn? (They may be too old for you to have read.)

[lorettalockhorn]

my spouse, who is notorious for ruining good movies by guessing their outcome, posed this idea:
In consideration - I do not know this person, but it is just a thought.
Think of a typical father/daughter-in-law relationship - a little skeptical. I'm now thinking back to her neighbor's testimony of the man that beat on her door that week and took her car keys, and also the raised voices in their conversation. Then I'm thinking about the release of the cell phone - and evidence removed. He has also been very attacking and unyielding against his thoughts on Kevin. It is a touchy conclusion - so I will not come out and say it - but I think you get the idea of the suggestion.

I can not speak for Kevin, only because he was a youth when I lived in the area. However, I do know his family is close. Janice (his mom) was my teacher and is respected and loved by the community - she has always been the kindess person - so, it has been hard to read skeptical remarks about her.

:seeya: Thanks for posting, but you lost me with that one statement. I wonder what DD's motive would be for killing Nona? Does he really match Bean's description of the door pounding man?

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's Courier, (part of) the State's summation, Gibbons is describing the stages of the attack:

Dirksmeyer was hit with a fist or the heel of a palm in the temple and face area. Dirksmeyer, stunned, was likely only "passively" trying to defend herself, possibly by hunching her shoulders and drawing her arms in toward her chest.
Gibbons indicated the fact that "Nona wasn't fighting" was likely because she was being attacked by her boyfriend of nearly five years, and simply could not accept the reality of what was occurring. Gibbons speculated she may have thought to herself "this cannot be happening."

From today's Courier, (part of) the defense summation:

Why did Jones tell investigators on the night of Dec. 15 than he found Dirksmeyer lying on her back with her arms neatly folded over her abdomen?
He was in shock, Johnson siad; he simply remembers Dirksmeyer as she was when paramedics arrived and he stepped away.

I realize that the defense has a job to do, which might include asking the jury to believe the unbelievable, but I just cannot imagine the first sight of Nona's body, the first inkling that something was horribly wrong, not being what is burned into KJ's brain.

On a whole different note; does anyone find it strange that with all the jury has to ponder and sort out, that they asked about "Jared"? Was York not made a convincing enough scapegoat that they are going to focus on yet another suspect?