Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[jonikay]

Pros showed jury the lamp. Frost testified to details of crime scene. Pros worked to destroy alibi. KJ told RPD he stopped by the station and spoke with Walters that morning. Walters testified that he didn't see Jones until 245. Channel 7 states that it's believed Dirksmeyer was killed between 11 and noon.

[FDInLaw]

During the videotaped interrogation, KJ thought she might have had an early final, but didn't know which one or the exact time of the test. He ended up mentioning 8 or 830, but he didn't know for sure. At any rate, he knew that she texted him with "I love you cuddlemuffin. I hope you have a great day" a few minutes after 9. What's also odd is that he was known to have had sex wit someone else a week before the murder and also had sex with Nona that next Monday night. Just a few days apart . . .

I wonder if they were "working on their relationship" during this time . . .
IMO the fact that Kevin was having sex with someone else the week before really draws into question his intentions to purpose soon. Maybe I'm just incredibly old fashioned. :shrug:

[jonikay]

So is this saying that he was in Dover when she was murdered??
No. It's saying his cell phone was tracked to the Dover area tower at 12.

[ordanja]

No. It's saying his cell phone was tracked to the Dover area tower at 12.Cingular representative testifies telephone calls from Jones' phone until 145 are from Dover area tower. Time of murder between 11 and 1. A call was placed by Jones around noon (Jeremy Huggins) from the Dover tower, but no calls were made between 11 and 12.
Jeremy Huggins testified and received call at noon and met with Jones a bit later for noon.
Blake Walters testified that he saw Jones and he worked from 245 to 400. Didn't see anything abnormal . . .

But this says until 145 which would mean that he was in dover the whole time in order for the signals to hit a Dover area tower. Is that right??

[jonikay]

But this says until 145 which would mean that he was in dover the whole time in order for the signals to hit a Dover area tower. Is that right??
NO. A call was picked up by the Dover area tower at 12 but NONE between 11 and noon. No call was picked up by any tower from Jones' cell phone between 11 and 12. Cell phone records cannot trace his whereabouts from 11 to 12.

[FDInLaw]

NO. A call was picked up by the Dover area tower at 12 but NONE between 11 and noon. No call was picked up by any tower from Jones' cell phone between 11 and 12. Cell phone records cannot trace his whereabouts from 11 to 12.
So, this is the window that Kevin needs an alibi for.

[ordanja]

So, this is the window that Kevin needs an alibi for.

Seems so! Is this when he was "at the gas station"?? :shrug:

[jonikay]

So, this is the window that Kevin needs an alibi for.
Finally, someone understands . . . Also, during opening statements, Gibbons stated that the ME places time of death at 11.

[FDInLaw]

Seems so! Is this when he was "at the gas station"?? :shrug:
Has anyone testified to seeing Kevin there during this time? In his own statement does he not claim to show up there at Noon?

[ordanja]

Finally, someone understands . . . Also, during opening statements, Gibbons stated that the ME places time of death at 11.

Lol...sorry, I don't know why that took me FOREVER to get!!

Did the gma testify (sp) today??

[jonikay]

Has anyone testified to seeing Kevin there during this time? In his own statement does he not claim to show up there at Noon?
KJ explains that he went to lunch around noon during the interrogation, but gma is supposed to verify that he went to the station around 1120-1130. I don't know if gma testified today or not.

[ordanja]

KJ explains that he went to lunch around noon during the interrogation, but gma is supposed to verify that he went to the station around 1120-1130. I don't know if gma testified today or not.

So is gma's statement going to help since Walters said that he hadn't seen him until 245, even though KJ said he had seen him when he went to the station to help his gma??

[lorettalockhorn]

Pros showed jury the lamp. Frost testified to details of crime scene. Pros worked to destroy alibi. KJ told RPD he stopped by the station and spoke with Walters that morning. Walters testified that he didn't see Jones until 245. Channel 7 states that it's believed Dirksmeyer was killed between 11 and noon.

Channel 7 will give more details about the phone call testimony at 6:00.

The Channel 7 5:00 segment stated that Blake Walters didn't see KJ at the station until almost three, so the alibi will hinge on grandmother's testimony to a large degree. Didn't he claim to have lunch with someone in Dover? Has that part of his alibi testified yet?

[jonikay]

So is gma's statement going to help since Walters said that he hadn't seen him until 245, even though KJ said he had seen him when he went to the station to help his gma??
If the jury considers that KJ didn't mention gma until after lunch, she may help . . .

[ordanja]

Channel 7 will give more details about the phone call testimony at 6:00.

The Channel 7 5:00 segment stated that Blake Walters didn't see KJ at the station until almost three, so the alibi will hinge on grandmother's testimony to a large degree. Didn't he claim to have lunch with someone in Dover? Has that part of his alibi testified yet?

I don't think JH has testified yet. He is the one that Kevin had lunch with. But Cingular company said that he called JH around noon from a Dover tower and then they apparantly went and ate lunch.

[jonikay]

Channel 7 will give more details about the phone call testimony at 6:00.

The Channel 7 5:00 segment stated that Blake Walters didn't see KJ at the station until almost three, so the alibi will hinge on grandmother's testimony to a large degree. Didn't he claim to have lunch with someone in Dover? Has that part of his alibi testified yet?
That would be Jeremy Huggins, the guy he had lunch with at the Bayou. He testified that Jones called him at 12 and he met with Jones a little after and mentioned that he didn't seem anxious or anything . . .

[lorettalockhorn]

That would be Jeremy Huggins, the guy he had lunch with at the Bayou. He testified that Jones called him at 12 and he met with Jones a little after and mentioned that he didn't seem anxious or anything . . .

Gotcha. I may have confused two different JHs for a minute; my timeline says Huggins.

[chambord]

Some people seem outraged or otherwise aggravated at the fact that Duane hasn't been in the courtroom throughout the whole trial. No one has said anything about the fact that Janice Jones, KJ's mother, hasn't been in there either. There are reasons that these folks aren't in the courtroom guys.:shrug:

Oh, thanks for that info...good to know.

[chambord]

From one of those Courier articles:

"Jones said he entered the room and “saw her laying there with blood all underneath her head,” later saying “I don’t know why somebody would break in and hit her on the back of the head.” "

This statement really creeps me out.

Have I missed something? How would Jones know she was *hit on the back of her head*?

[jonikay]

known for 7 months dna on condom wrapper that isn't Jones. Defense questions why nothing has been done to find the owner of the dna on the wrapper. Also, a fingernail on carpet found on carpet near Nona's body with male dna not matching Jones. Crime Lab told pros that either test dna or fingerprints on condom wrapper and not both. The pros tested for fingerprints. Also, Nona's cell phone not tested for fingerprints bc it was moved by an investigator of the crime scene and phone was given to Dipert, thus losing what could be important evidence. Lead investigator says there are few things he would have done differently: collect hair samples and they left a knife at the crime scene overnight and collected it the next morning. Also, KJ's truck was never tested Pros is winding down and defense may start their testimonies tomorrow.

[jonikay]

Today about establishing alibi. KJ told RPD he spoke to Walters the morning of the murder, Walters testified otherwise. Frost testifies that there was no forced entry into the apartment.

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 7 only mentioned the cell phone testimony but didn't give any details :flamemad: ; reiterated that Blake Walters never saw KJ at the station until almost three and that time of death was between 11am-noon. There was testimony about the drive time involved but no details.

Channel 5 focused on Frost's testimony. He said that he regretted not taking the knife into evidence until the next day, there were comments about a lamp being turned over in the living room, a clothesline near the body, and a bag of popcorn and a straw in an upstairs trash container that weren't tested. They also mentioned that a man's fingernail was found but that it wasn't tested. (How did they know that it was a male's fingernail if it wasn't tested?)

[jonikay]

Channel 7 only mentioned the cell phone testimony but didn't give any details :flamemad: ; reiterated that Blake Walters never saw KJ at the station until almost three and that time of death was between 11am-noon. There was testimony about the drive time involved but no details.

Channel 5 focused on Frost's testimony. He said that he regretted not taking the knife into evidence until the next day, there were comments about a lamp being turned over in the living room, a clothesline near the body, and a bag of popcorn and a straw in an upstairs trash container that weren't tested. They also mentioned that a man's fingernail was found but that it wasn't tested. (How did they know that it was a male's fingernail if it wasn't tested?)
Channel 4 mentioned the fingernail, but didn't say if it were male or female. They only mentioned that there was male dna on it or in it.

[hoglover]

Have I missed something? How would Jones know she was *hit on the back of her head*?



I wanted to know the same thing earlier. I tried looking it up in the archives of the link that someone placed on here for me, but I still couldn't find it. Someone posted that she was laying face down. They also said he checked her head because he couldn't tell what kind of wound it was because he couldn't see it because of her hair, right? Just paraphrasing earlier comments. Sorry, I am clueless also.:shrug:

[jonikay]

I wanted to know the same thing earlier. I tried looking it up in the archives of the link that someone placed on here for me, but I still couldn't find it. Someone posted that she was laying face down. They also said he checked her head because he couldn't tell what kind of wound it was because he couldn't see it because of her hair, right? Just paraphrasing earlier comments. Sorry, I am clueless also.:shrug:
He knew there was a "gash." You can look it up within today's posts. We have discussed it and it should clear things up for you.

[hoglover]

He knew there was a "gash." You can look it up within today's posts. We have discussed it and it should clear things up for you.

Sorry.. I did read all the comments made earlier today. I just couldn't find it on the link that was given to me earlier today. I looked in the News archives, but couldn't find it. I guess I probably just didn't look hard enough.;)

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 4 mentioned the fingernail, but didn't say if it were male or female. They only mentioned that there was male dna on it or in it.

Well, it had to have been tested to some degree to determine that it was a male fingernail. So I'm disappointed in the report. However, it does help us know what to look for in the newspaper reports. TV news just doesn't have time to give us much.

[jonikay]

Sorry.. I did read all the comments made earlier today. I just couldn't find it on the link that was given to me earlier today. I looked in the News archives, but couldn't find it. I guess I probably just didn't look hard enough.;)
All I know about it is that I wrote on here what I heard during his viedotaped interrogations. I am not aware of a link to the story, although there my be one.

[hoglover]

All I know about it is that I wrote on here what I heard during his viedotaped interrogations. I am not aware of a link to the story, although there my be one.


Is there a link to listen to the interrogation? J/W?

[jonikay]

Is there a link to listen to the interrogation? J/W?
No. Not even close and there will probably never be. I went to the trial and heard it.

[hoglover]

No. Not even close and there will probably never be. I went to the trial and heard it.

Do they ever put out transcripts to read?? They have already played the tape in trial? One more question, did Christina go to court today and know any updates first hand??

[chambord]

I wanted to know the same thing earlier. I tried looking it up in the archives of the link that someone placed on here for me, but I still couldn't find it. Someone posted that she was laying face down. They also said he checked her head because he couldn't tell what kind of wound it was because he couldn't see it because of her hair, right? Just paraphrasing earlier comments. Sorry, I am clueless also.:shrug:


Thanks, I thought I had read earlier on this board that she was found face up, with blood pooling around her head, that's why I asked. Thanks for your prompt reply.:)

[jonikay]

Do they ever put out transcripts to read?? They have already played the tape in trial? One more question, did Christina go to court today and know any updates first hand??
She was supposed to go today. That about the gash was a first hand account of yesterday's proceedings. Not today's.

[chambord]

He knew there was a "gash." You can look it up within today's posts. We have discussed it and it should clear things up for you.

Do you know where he said the gash was located?

[jonikay]

Do you know where he said the gash was located?
The gash was located at the back of her head. There was no link about this. It was discussed as part of the summaries of yesterday's proceedings. There is no link, etc. It was an account of what was heard at the trial yesterday. You can see it in yesterday's posts.

[hoglover]

She was supposed to go today. That about the gash was a first hand account of yesterday's proceedings. Not today's.

Thanks so much for your posts. You have been very helpful. I understand now and had a lightbulb moment.;)

[lorettalockhorn]

Do you know where he said the gash was located?

This is from the probable cause statement, Page 5 of this thread, near the bottom of the page:

"The autopsy was performed on the 19th of December 2005 and a final report was issued on the 16 day of March, 2006. The ME concluded that Nona’s death was a homicide caused by multiple blunt and sharp force injuries. Among the medical examiner’s findings was a large horizontally oriented laceration centered on the posterior occipital scalp directly in the midline which was four (4) inches below the top of the head and three (3) inches in length. The wound was associated with hemorrhage and contusion of the brain. Affiant was told by the ME that this injury was the lethal event and that it was caused by an object similar to and consistent with the base of the lamp which had Jones’ fingerprint on it."

I think if you guys go back to the 9th, you can catch up on the trial posts specifically. There are some links to articles and other media coverage as well as several firsthand accounts.

I thought that Laura Brown, the EMT had testified about post mortem lividity, but I couldn't get onto The Courier's site and it's not mentioned in the print version of yesterday's paper. I think that jonikay had the information about RW seeing her lying face down and the lividity proved that she was in that position.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks so much for your posts. You have been very helpful. I understand now and had a lightbulb moment.;)

Hey again, Hog. The posts re: the trial coverage begin on Page 92.

[FDInLaw]

known for 7 months dna on condom wrapper that isn't Jones. Defense questions why nothing has been done to find the owner of the dna on the wrapper. Also, a fingernail on carpet found on carpet near Nona's body with male dna not matching Jones. Crime Lab told pros that either test dna or fingerprints on condom wrapper and not both. The pros tested for fingerprints. Also, Nona's cell phone not tested for fingerprints bc it was moved by an investigator of the crime scene and phone was given to Dipert, thus losing what could be important evidence. Lead investigator says there are few things he would have done differently: collect hair samples and they left a knife at the crime scene overnight and collected it the next morning. Also, KJ's truck was never tested Pros is winding down and defense may start their testimonies tomorrow.
I really wish we had more veteran trial watchers on this board. It would be nice to get more input here. Such as, what is normally tested in a homicide case of this nature?

[christina]

First up were the two men that went to Jones house that morning. First was the owner of the repair business saying the latest he would have left would be 10:20. Next was Blake Walters who said he did not see Jones until around 2:45. Defense had Walters describe the design/layout of the service station and asked if Jones arrived from the north(where his home is) and Walters was in the bay, would he have seen him, answer no. If standing on Hiway7 facing the station the office(where grandma was) is on the north, two bays that can each hold farm size vehicles are on the south, gas pumps are out front.
Next Jeremy Hutchins(sp?) who was basically like Ryan Whiteside's testimony except the prosecution did not turn him into a hostile witness.
Next ASP man saying he drove several ways from Jones to Nona's house on a Wednesday at 10:30 obeying all traffic laws and it took him 20-28 minutes.
Then the ATT engineer. End result of his testimony after a series of blown up cell bills and maps of tower locations, was that all calls from Jones cell until 1:45 that day bounced off towers north of Russellville. Nine calls were made from Jones cell to Nona's cell over a 4 hour period. The telephone number of the 11:05 text message to Nona's cell was unavailable.
Next was Det Frost, he came on the stand at 11:25 and was there until court ended for the day.

[lorettalockhorn]

I really wish we had more veteran trial watchers on this board. It would be nice to get more input here. Such as, what is normally tested in a homicide case of this nature?

Everything should be tested. And from what I've read/observed that no matter what is tested (DNA,fingerprints, etc.), unless that information is stored in a database, from past crimes for example, you can only rule people out, not rule people in. The reasons for a warrant to compel samples from suspects have to be strong. RPD (or the defense) could have used the DNA from the fingernail and the condom wrapper to at least see if they came from the same person, but since they only have Nona's and Kevin's DNA and fingerprints for comparison, they might not have learned anything. The closest that they could get might be if the perpetrator/suspect had similarities to their DNA. (That wouldn't apply to fingerprints.)

[jonikay]

Thanks for the notes christina. I know it is so exhausting. Channel 4 told us that the tower that picked up Jones' cell calls until 145 were picked up by Dover tower. But no calls were placed through his cell from 11-12. I bet they let ol' Frost have it! So, I guess Walters denied talking to Jones on the morning in question, as Jones stated, or maybe he didn't recall . . .

[lorettalockhorn]

First up were the two men that went to Jones house that morning. First was the owner of the repair business saying the latest he would have left would be 10:20. Next was Blake Walters who said he did not see Jones until around 2:45. Defense had Walters describe the design/layout of the service station and asked if Jones arrived from the north(where his home is) and Walters was in the bay, would he have seen him, answer no. If standing on Hiway7 facing the station the office(where grandma was) is on the north, two bays that can each hold farm size vehicles are on the south, gas pumps are out front.
Next Jeremy Hutchins(sp?) who was basically like Ryan Whiteside's testimony except the prosecution did not turn him into a hostile witness.
Next ASP man saying he drove several ways from Jones to Nona's house on a Wednesday at 10:30 obeying all traffic laws and it took him 20-28 minutes.
Then the ATT engineer. End result of his testimony after a series of blown up cell bills and maps of tower locations, was that all calls from Jones cell until 1:45 that day bounced off towers north of Russellville. Nine calls were made from Jones cell to Nona's cell over a 4 hour period. The telephone number of the 11:05 text message to Nona's cell was unavailable.
Next was Det Frost, he came on the stand at 11:25 and was there until court ended for the day.

Thanks Christina.

So grandmother was actually working at the station at the same time as BW in the morning? Blake was in the bay and she was waiting on customers in addition to working in the office? Or did she stay in the office and he was coming out to wait on customers? What times were any calls made by KJ up until 1:45? In other words, did KJ actually use his phone during the time that Nona was killed (11am-noon or 1:00)? I gathered from the news that he didn't make any calls during that time, but the reports were very brief.

[christina]

Admitted this was his first murder crime scene investigation. Read off names from the crime scene log- over 20 people were within the crime scene tape that evening. Photographed the scene and rest of the apartment including outside, several photos were entered into evidence. Said the reason he did not feel it was forced entry was the lack of striations on the doors strike plate and there were no dents in the door. As he described the scene prosecution entered each piece into evidence- the lamp parts, candle on floor, bra, jeans and panties, blood scrapings from various things, Nona's cell phone. He determined the lamp(murder weapon) was originally in the corner of the living room due to impressions he found in the carpet. The pictures showed that to be to the right when entering the living room from the hallway. (across the room from the slider door)
Other notes- Chief Bacon processed some of the collected fingerprints, crime lab did some. Frost saw several hairs on the rug but did not collect or process them because they looked like the victim's. He had a section of carpet around the victim removed after he examined it, sent to crime lab. Defense found a torn fingernail on it, tested for dna, came back male and not Jones'. Knife was on counter around condom wrapper. Frost collected the wrapper that night but not the knife, he went back and got the knife the next day. Did not take any fingerprints from the counter around the wrapper or knife.
Nona's phone is a Samsung flip type Frost saw on the floor when he first started taking pictures. When he returned from photgraphing the upstairs he saw the phone laying on the coffee table. He said he assumed any evidence on the phone was now compromised so he decided not to test it for fingerprints or dna. He said he asked everyone at the crime scene who moved it and not one confessed. He looked for the phone battery and condom and found neither. He did not fingerprint the lightswitch, the toilet, or the thermostat. Photgraphed the trash can which showed two cups with straws and bag of popcorn. Did not test any of these items for dna or fingerprints. Stated Chief Bacon examined prints on lamp rod and stated there were suitable for comparison, sent to crime lab and crime lab said they were not. Frost said they did not get dna from anyone other than Jones and only fingerprinted Jones and York.
Frost said Brandy Bean (neighbor) was interviewed and reported she saw an altercation between Nona and her boyfriend but admitted that a picture of Jones was not shown to Bean for indentifying who the boyfriend was.

[christina]

Thanks Christina.

So grandmother was actually working at the station at the same time as BW in the morning? Blake was in the bay and she was waiting on customers in addition to working in the office? Or did she stay in the office and he was coming out to wait on customers? What times were any calls made by KJ up until 1:45? In other words, did KJ actually use his phone during the time that Nona was killed (11am-noon or 1:00)? I gathered from the news that he didn't make any calls during that time, but the reports were very brief.

The audience could not see the phone records. Grandmother did not testify.

[christina]

Thanks for the notes christina. I know it is so exhausting. Channel 4 told us that the tower that picked up Jones' cell calls until 145 were picked up by Dover tower. But no calls were placed through his cell from 11-12. I bet they let ol' Frost have it! So, I guess Walters denied talking to Jones on the morning in question, as Jones stated, or maybe he didn't recall . . .

The only evidence presented so far directly from Jones is the tape of the voluntary interview he gave to RPD on December 15th, I did not hear him say a time he saw Walters, just that it was that day. I understand from other people that later in the trial we might see the interrogation tapes from the night of Nona's visitation and maybe another day. Jones may give a time then.

[lorettalockhorn]

The audience could not see the phone records. Grandmother did not testify.


You mean that they've narrowed down the time of death and didn't even talk about whether or not KJ used his phone during that time? Sheesh. I can't remember if grandmother is a prosecution or defense witness, but I can look that up.

Thanks for the detail about Frost's testimony. Hard to believe about the phone. Has anyone ever had crappier luck (not just bad luck, but boneheadedness) with an article of evidence?

You know, it occurred to me about that phone, the way that I learned about SIM cards and how the evidence is collected was by googling. You would think that if RPD didn't have a procedure in place that they could have googled it too. I found methods of recovery for both when a phone is intact and when a battery is dead or missing altogether.

[chambord]

Admitted this was his first murder crime scene investigation. Read off names from the crime scene log- over 20 people were within the crime scene tape that evening. Photographed the scene and rest of the apartment including outside, several photos were entered into evidence. Said the reason he did not feel it was forced entry was the lack of striations on the doors strike plate and there were no dents in the door. As he described the scene prosecution entered each piece into evidence- the lamp parts, candle on floor, bra, jeans and panties, blood scrapings from various things, Nona's cell phone. He determined the lamp(murder weapon) was originally in the corner of the living room due to impressions he found in the carpet. The pictures showed that to be to the right when entering the living room from the hallway. (across the room from the slider door)
Other notes- Chief Bacon processed some of the collected fingerprints, crime lab did some. Frost saw several hairs on the rug but did not collect or process them because they looked like the victim's. He had a section of carpet around the victim removed after he examined it, sent to crime lab. Defense found a torn fingernail on it, tested for dna, came back male and not Jones'. Knife was on counter around condom wrapper. Frost collected the wrapper that night but not the knife, he went back and got the knife the next day. Did not take any fingerprints from the counter around the wrapper or knife.
Nona's phone is a Samsung flip type Frost saw on the floor when he first started taking pictures. When he returned from photgraphing the upstairs he saw the phone laying on the coffee table. He said he assumed any evidence on the phone was now compromised so he decided not to test it for fingerprints or dna. He said he asked everyone at the crime scene who moved it and not one confessed. He looked for the phone battery and condom and found neither. He did not fingerprint the lightswitch, the toilet, or the thermostat. Photgraphed the trash can which showed two cups with straws and bag of popcorn. Did not test any of these items for dna or fingerprints. Stated Chief Bacon examined prints on lamp rod and stated there were suitable for comparison, sent to crime lab and crime lab said they were not. Frost said they did not get dna from anyone other than Jones and only fingerprinted Jones and York.
Frost said Brandy Bean (neighbor) was interviewed and reported she saw an altercation between Nona and her boyfriend but admitted that a picture of Jones was not shown to Bean for indentifying who the boyfriend was.

Holy Moly

There were a lot of things they should have tested or gathered for evidence, but didn't!!

ie two cups with straws....hair on the rug..he still should have tested that cell phone...waited a day to collect the knife...fingerprints not taken..no photo shown to Bean.

Shabby investigation IMO

[christina]

You mean that they've narrowed down the time of death and didn't even talk about whether or not KJ used his phone during that time? Sheesh. I can't remember if grandmother is a prosecution or defense witness, but I can look that up.

Thanks for the detail about Frost's testimony. Hard to believe about the phone. Has anyone ever had crappier luck (not just bad luck, but boneheadedness) with an article of evidence?

You know, it occurred to me about that phone, the way that I learned about SIM cards and how the evidence is collected was by googling. You would think that if RPD didn't have a procedure in place that they could have googled it too. I found methods of recovery for both when a phone is intact and when a battery is dead or missing altogether.

The prosecution is still presenting their case. They have not nailed down time of death in any testimony I have heard. The medical examiner is scheduled for tomorrow. With each prosecution witness, the defense is using cross examination to narrow the time frame Jones' was not accounted for. There has been no testimony nor evidence presented that links Jones to the murder yet.

[lorettalockhorn]

The prosecution is still presenting their case. They have not nailed down time of death in any testimony I have heard. The medical examiner is scheduled for tomorrow. With each prosecution witness, the defense is using cross examination to narrow the time frame Jones' was not accounted for. There has been no testimony nor evidence presented that links Jones to the murder yet.


Oh for sure I realize that it's not nailed down. I've heard many reports about the time frame being narrowed down and was curious about whether or not there had been testimony about whether or not KJ had actually used his phone during the time frame. Definitely want to hear what the ME has to say, although I don't imagine that anyone is expecting an exact time.

[hawgustusgloop]

KFSM article on Frost's testimony today:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6783133

[hoglover]

This is the paragraph from the Times Record (Fort Smith)....

"On Tuesday, two male witnesses told Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons they had been romantically involved with Dirksmeyer during 2005. At the conclusion of testimony Wednesday, prosecutors were arguing before Judge John Patterson to allow the testimony of a woman who was prepared to say she had engaged in sexual activity with Jones the weekend before the murder."

Here's the link...

http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2007/07/12/news/news11.txt

I took this from the link:

Jones said Dirksmeyer’s nude body was lying on its back on the living room floor. He said her head was covered in blood and there was blood underneath the body. He said a lamp, that looked as if it had been taken apart, was on the floor near the body.



Please read it. It says Jones found her on her back. Now that is contradicting, huh??



Just something else I picked up on that there pageant board. I thought this was interesting.

Something else that was brought out today was how Frost left the knife in the apartment overnight. Would that matter if no one was allowed in there? Do they think someone could have went in there and touched it after they left?? Just wondering? It does sound really unprofessional of him. My! My! I never dreamed how much they didn't collect. Hmmm...

[sololobo]

First up were the two men that went to Jones house that morning. First was the owner of the repair business saying the latest he would have left would be 10:20. Next was Blake Walters who said he did not see Jones until around 2:45. Defense had Walters describe the design/layout of the service station and asked if Jones arrived from the north(where his home is) and Walters was in the bay, would he have seen him, answer no. If standing on Hiway7 facing the station the office(where grandma was) is on the north, two bays that can each hold farm size vehicles are on the south, gas pumps are out front.
Next Jeremy Hutchins(sp?) who was basically like Ryan Whiteside's testimony except the prosecution did not turn him into a hostile witness.
Next ASP man saying he drove several ways from Jones to Nona's house on a Wednesday at 10:30 obeying all traffic laws and it took him 20-28 minutes.
Then the ATT engineer. End result of his testimony after a series of blown up cell bills and maps of tower locations, was that all calls from Jones cell until 1:45 that day bounced off towers north of Russellville. Nine calls were made from Jones cell to Nona's cell over a 4 hour period. The telephone number of the 11:05 text message to Nona's cell was unavailable.
Next was Det Frost, he came on the stand at 11:25 and was there until court ended for the day.

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=dover&state_abr=ar

According to the linked map, Dover has three towers. (Moving the map center south will show Russellville's towers.) The one near the Russellville Country Club would have the shortest drivivng time to Nona's apartment. Were any of the calls just before 11:00 am and/or just after 12 noon bounced off of it? Or did they say?

Thanks for the updates, Christina:)

[Mark501]

I never have heard of so many "Open ends" in an investigation in all my life. Unexamined fingernails, 2 cups in the trash, knife left overnight, cell phone tossed around, what a circus! If I were sitting on that jury right now, I would be thinking, "Hey! You have to show me something of substance quick!"

Otherwise this kind of evidence (And handling of) isn't sending anyone to prison.

501

[chambord]

I never have heard of so many "Open ends" in an investigation in all my life. Unexamined fingernails, 2 cups in the trash, knife left overnight, cell phone tossed around, what a circus! If I were sitting on that jury right now, I would be thinking, "Hey! You have to show me something of substance quick!"

Otherwise this kind of evidence (And handling of) isn't sending anyone to prison.

501

Glad someone else feels as I do...Reading yesterdays report I was stunned at the lack of forensics they dismissed so casually.

[sololobo]

I never have heard of so many "Open ends" in an investigation in all my life. Unexamined fingernails, 2 cups in the trash, knife left overnight, cell phone tossed around, what a circus! If I were sitting on that jury right now, I would be thinking, "Hey! You have to show me something of substance quick!"

Otherwise this kind of evidence (And handling of) isn't sending anyone to prison.

501

I'm sure Gibbons is saving the best for last. Today should be interesting:)

[Mark501]

Maybe the prosecution can tie this mish-mash together, I don't know.

I do know that I felt KJ was guilty on the outset and still think he may very well be the man they are looking for but as I said previously, this kind of evidence and the lack of pertinent evidence that was casually overlooked is not putting anyone behind bars. RPD did a bad job based on what I've read in the news and here.

501

[christina]

This is the paragraph from the Times Record (Fort Smith)....

"On Tuesday, two male witnesses told Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons they had been romantically involved with Dirksmeyer during 2005. At the conclusion of testimony Wednesday, prosecutors were arguing before Judge John Patterson to allow the testimony of a woman who was prepared to say she had engaged in sexual activity with Jones the weekend before the murder."

Here's the link...

http://www.swtimes.com/articles/2007/07/12/news/news11.txt

I took this from the link:

Jones said Dirksmeyer’s nude body was lying on its back on the living room floor. He said her head was covered in blood and there was blood underneath the body. He said a lamp, that looked as if it had been taken apart, was on the floor near the body.



Please read it. It says Jones found her on her back. Now that is contradicting, huh??



Just something else I picked up on that there pageant board. I thought this was interesting.

Something else that was brought out today was how Frost left the knife in the apartment overnight. Would that matter if no one was allowed in there? Do they think someone could have went in there and touched it after they left?? Just wondering? It does sound really unprofessional of him. My! My! I never dreamed how much they didn't collect. Hmmm...

It has been testified to by Whiteside that she was face down and Kevin ran in and turned her over to and tried CPR, the EMT said lividity/mottling suggested to her that the body, although face up when she arrived, was face down prior. During the voluntary taped interview, Jones says both things as he describes the scene, he also said he tried CPR.
As for the sexual encounters by both. On the interview tape, which the officer said Kevin did not know he was being video taped, the officer asks Jones if he wears condoms, Jones said no that Nona is on the pill. The officer asks Kevin if he had sex with anyone else. He said yes about a week ago. The officer asks if he used a condom that time. Jones says yes and the officer asks him what brand/type.
After the jury left the room, the prosecution said they want to bring in the girl Jones says he had sex with(she was apparantly waiting in the hall). The defense said there was no reason to corroborate that as Jones had just testified(via the tape) that he had sex. The judge agreed with the defense.
As for the two college boys the prosecution called Tuesday to set timeline events, one said he knew Nona from music classes, they started flirting, talked regularly then one evening while he working in Springdale she asked him to come spend the night with her. He drove down after he got off work(midnight) and spent the rest of the night with her. When asked by the defense how long after he arrived they had sex he answered about 10 minutes. When asked if they had sex any other time he said no. The lawyer asked him to use "the Clinton" term for sex and the boy said, he thoguht he had just meant intercourse. The boy then said yes, they had oral sex before that night.

[hawgustusgloop]

The term "shoddy police work" gets thrown around a lot these days, but IMO it seems appropriate in reference to RPD's evidence collection, or lack thereof, in this case.

I am waiting for the prosecution to place K.Jo at or very near the scene around the time the crime occurred. They have tried to show that he had no valid alibi, now they need to show the jury that he was at Nona's during that time.

[chambord]

The term "shoddy police work" gets thrown around a lot these days, but IMO it seems appropriate in reference to RPD's evidence collection, or lack thereof, in this case.

I am waiting for the prosecution to place K.Jo at or very near the scene around the time the crime occurred. They have tried to show that he had no valid alibi, now they need to show the jury that he was at Nona's during that time.


I agree, they MUST do that, after reading yesterday, what they failed to do.

[christina]

I am trieing to relay only the facts as I could hear them from my seat in the courtroom. What is very difficult when I read other comments is they lack seeing the video interview, hearing the 911 tape, watching the faces of the witnesses to see if they are telling the truth, trieing to tell the truth or lieing, to watch Jones reaction to the officers questions, to watch him cry on the tape when he thinks he is alone. I don't think it has been reported yet, I stopped reading the papers out of frustration, but at one point early in the interview, Jones asks the officers if his mother or Nona's mother is at the station. He asks the officer if one of them can come sit with him because he doesn't want to be alone. The officer said they are almost done and he could see them soon. The interview lasted about an hour longer.
About the part of the tape where he mumbles something while the officers are out of the room, we heard that played in the courtroom with the jurors. When the tape was presented it was played in its entirety, the only break was when both sides agreed to fast forward during several minutes of Jones alone in the room. At the break, the enhanced version of the tape where Jones mumbles things was played for the judge to rule whether it would be allowed. The judge asked everyone in the room to be silent and the prosecution plays the tape. The only audible word was Lord. The judge tells the prosecution he can't make out any other word. The prosecution then stops and starts the tape saying in advance what they think Jones is saying in each segment. At the end the judge repeats that he hears nothing on his own but the word Lord. The defense says that the jury has already heard this and if they heard anything they can determine for themselves what Jones said. The judge agrees and says the lawyers can argue it in their closing.

[sololobo]

Now, one scenario with Jones the killer.

Jones goes to Nona's apartment after she returns from her morning test. They go to her bedroom and undress. Jones finds a condom wrapper and confronts Nona about it. They argue and Nona walks down the stairs followed by Jones. He places the condom wrapper on the counter and the argument becomes physical, eventually resulting in her death.

He turns off the light, leaving blood on the switch, and looks out the window to see if anyone is outside. He locks the deadbolt and turns the light back on. He goes to the back sliding door and pulls back the blinds with the back of his hand, no fingerprints but leaving blood traces, to see if anyone is out there. He goes to the kitchen to wash the blood off himself in the sink and leaves blood traces in the kitchen. He deletes any incriminating evidence on Nona's phone and removes the battery to make sure it’s deleted. He leaves the phone, remembering cell phones can be tracked, and decides to take the battery with him so no one can replace it before the trace charge depletes.

He puts his clothes on, no blood on them, and again checks the front for any possible witnesses. After deciding it would be more likely to be recognized going out the front, he goes to the back sliding glass door and looks for oncoming traffic from W. 12 and S. Inglewood. The coast is clear. He picks up the stick, oops fingerprints, and decides to take it with him. After checking to see if anyone is in the back of the apartments, he opens the sliding door, puts the latch in lock position, steps out and slides the door shut, locking it. He walks between the buildings housing apt. 12 and 13, checking again for witnesses. He proceeds to his car and leaves.

Some variation of this is possible. The trial should bring out all of the missing details and will hopefully pinpoint the killer.

Pictures of Nona's shower and Jones' bathtub? Sounds like the prosecution is going with a variation of the above. No blood on Jones' clothes, none would be in his car.

[christina]

From what I can tell, they are all sitting up in the right hand front of the room nearest the jury box and on the side where the witness stand is. The reporters you are probably seeing on camera are in and out of the room regularly. A couple arrive late and do not sit through the whole trial.

[Sasha1122]

Ok, First of all you do not know RW, CH, or KJ if your the mother of an ATU student. There are thousands of kids who go there, and CH doesn't even go to school at ATU!! And them partying thats what teenagers do...its apart of life. And that girl was not as drunk as it was made to be. She was flirting with him the whole night and it was a mutual agreement for them to have sex. And you have know right to call them lowlifes!! Like I said how do you know them?? And the "I'm so sorry"...quote can mean so many things so stop jumping to conclusions. I'm so sorry can mean for not being there to protect her, for little fights that they may have gotten into, numerious of different things, ext. And Nona was much happier and more at ease when her and Kevin got together, he was a man that she could trust or felt like she could trust!!!!

I know you can't spell and I guess you can't read either. I never said I knew RW or KJ. I never claimed to know them. Their behavior since Nona's murder is a matter of public record. It does not take a rocket scientist of a member of the Moral Majority (I'm sure you are stopping to scratch your head here) to know that RW, KJ, and CH are indeed lowlifes. There is a big difference between partying and participating in the kind of behavior exhibited in the past months by these 3. I doubt very seriously you know them, but the intelligence you have exhibited here proves the point that birds of a feather flock together. (Another head scratcher for you, I'm sure).

No one has jumped to more conclusions than you. Your remarks about Duane Dipert were stupid and ill-informed. My conclusions about the characters of RW, KJ, and CH are based on statements and comments made by all 3 and as I stated earlier, their behavior since the crime.

[FDInLaw]

Well, this is it. If Gibbons has gone with a "best for last" strategy today will be telling. Having Frost on the stand was an obvious weak point. Whether Gibbons will be able to put forth a convincing argument today is the question.

Who will be our eyes and ears in the courtroom today?

:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

The term "shoddy police work" gets thrown around a lot these days, but IMO it seems appropriate in reference to RPD's evidence collection, or lack thereof, in this case.

I am waiting for the prosecution to place K.Jo at or very near the scene around the time the crime occurred. They have tried to show that he had no valid alibi, now they need to show the jury that he was at Nona's during that time.

Agree that shoddy is the perfect word here! I once asked rhetorically if any of us could conduct a better investigation; now I know that the answer is yes.

I'm disappointed that Gibbons doesn't want KJ's tryster to testify. How can we be sure that she can't give information about his attitude toward committment. I get the sense that there was revenge sex going on in this relationship that would point to motive.

[chambord]

Agree that shoddy is the perfect word here! I once asked rhetorically if any of us could conduct a better investigation; now I know that the answer is yes.

I'm disappointed that Gibbons doesn't want KJ's tryster to testify. How can we be sure that she can't give information about his attitude toward committment. I get the sense that there was revenge sex going on in this relationship that would point to motive.


That's an interesting sense, IMO..Revenge sex..It works for me. From what I have read, this relationship was *top this*.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am trieing to relay only the facts as I could hear them from my seat in the courtroom. What is very difficult when I read other comments is they lack seeing the video interview, hearing the 911 tape, watching the faces of the witnesses to see if they are telling the truth, trieing to tell the truth or lieing, to watch Jones reaction to the officers questions, to watch him cry on the tape when he thinks he is alone. I don't think it has been reported yet, I stopped reading the papers out of frustration, but at one point early in the interview, Jones asks the officers if his mother or Nona's mother is at the station. He asks the officer if one of them can come sit with him because he doesn't want to be alone. The officer said they are almost done and he could see them soon. The interview lasted about an hour longer.
About the part of the tape where he mumbles something while the officers are out of the room, we heard that played in the courtroom with the jurors. When the tape was presented it was played in its entirety, the only break was when both sides agreed to fast forward during several minutes of Jones alone in the room. At the break, the enhanced version of the tape where Jones mumbles things was played for the judge to rule whether it would be allowed. The judge asked everyone in the room to be silent and the prosecution plays the tape. The only audible word was Lord. The judge tells the prosecution he can't make out any other word. The prosecution then stops and starts the tape saying in advance what they think Jones is saying in each segment. At the end the judge repeats that he hears nothing on his own but the word Lord. The defense says that the jury has already heard this and if they heard anything they can determine for themselves what Jones said. The judge agrees and says the lawyers can argue it in their closing.

I don't know why, but that strikes me as odd. Of course, if he was a teen, a parent of guardian would need to be present for questioning. But wouldn't he realize from watching crime drama that this doesn't apply to him?

Also, I didn't realize from seeing transcripts of the enhanced version of the mumbling section of the tape that it was so difficut to understand. Even if it is impossible to interpret, the jury is likely to have ideas about his behavior, i.e. the striking the desk and walls and the curling up into "fetal position".

[lorettalockhorn]

Pictures of Nona's shower and Jones' bathtub? Sounds like the prosecution is going with a variation of the above. No blood on Jones' clothes, none would be in his car.


Solo, I always enjoy reading your scenarios! I think that M Garrett testified that there isn't a deadbolt on the apartment door, but I'm assuming that a key is required to lock the door. It's unbelievable to me that the light switch and the blinds weren't examined more carefully by LE. And I can see that KJ might not have blood on his clothes or in his vehicle, but it still honks me off that the vehicle wasn't examined.

[hudnala]

Wow! The police better have something up their sleeves! I can not believe how this whole investigation was handled. Talk about messed up police work. Any and Everything should have been taken away for prints and dna. We know that more than likely the killer took the sim card out of the phone, so that person's prints would have been on the phone. Another thing that really bothers me about this investigation is that of Trey York. The whole cake pan conversation. The admitting of cleaning out his auto because he spilled drink in it. How is that relative to this investigation? unless it was blood. Another thing, the police admit to not searching the auto's. Maybe I watch too much crime t.v. BUT can they not check out these autos (kevin's, trey's, whiteside) with luminol? I am still shaking my head at how screwed up this whole investigation is....

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's Courier:

It is unclear through testimony if there were any calls made or received by Jones in the specified time period the prosecution says the murder occurred.

So after all this time and with all this technology, we don't still don't know that the cell phone can be relied upon to provide KJ an alibi.

It also occurs to me that if the murderer knew to remove the battery from the cell phone, that he also knew that the towers would indicate his location and might refrain from making calls. Especially if he was on his way to confront Nona.

Don't forget the cell tower reports that show all his calls were mademwhile north of Dover. :D

But we don't know if KJ actually made any calls during the critical time period.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't forget KJ didn't have any scratch wounds or anything that indicates he was involved in a struggle....
And there was a fingernail with DNA found at the scene, but we don't know who it came from. I know for a fact in the video taped interrogation that was take after discovery, that police had KJ hold out his hands and closely exanined them.


We don't know that there was a struggle. Apparently the apartment didn't indicate that there was, with the exception of the overturned table lamp. To the best of my recollection, Nona didn't have any defensive wounds, no broken nails for instance. She was bludgeoned from behind. We don't know if the throat wounds were made from the front or rear.

[hudnala]

Hola!:seeya:
I agree whole heartedly, but that's been my sentiments all along.
Things are definitely not looking good for the RPD. They had better clean up their act. I'm not sure how much more bad press the department can handle.

I have only been in Russellville 5 years. Before that I lived in Orlando, Charleston, Honolulu....all big police departments (I was a reserve officer in Charleston) not that I claim to know much. I can not believe that let a detective process his first murder crime scene without some sort of supervisor. So much evidence lost, or just not processed. Does anyone know where this Det. is now? I have been reading and they list him as former Det. Is he still in the same line of work? I used to think KJ was gulity but now.... I am so not convinced! I do not think there will be a conviction in this case, how could there be with so many loose ends? I know we are only 3 days in to this trial but the prosecution better have "beyond a shadow of a doubt" evidence out there.....

[hudnala]

I have only been in Russellville 5 years. Before that I lived in Orlando, Charleston, Honolulu....all big police departments (I was a reserve officer in Charleston) not that I claim to know much. I can not believe that let a detective process his first murder crime scene without some sort of supervisor. So much evidence lost, or just not processed. Does anyone know where this Det. is now? I have been reading and they list him as former Det. Is he still in the same line of work? I used to think KJ was gulity but now.... I am so not convinced! I do not think there will be a conviction in this case, how could there be with so many loose ends? I know we are only 3 days in to this trial but the prosecution better have "beyond a shadow of a doubt" evidence out there.....

Forgot to add....1. How can Trey have an "8:30" biology exam and be at Paradise donuts at "9:00a.m."?
2. Running errands from 11 until 1 ? hopefully the Police verified that.
3. Trey admits to calling her at 11 to tell her about the cake pan, if he is out running errands , wouldn't he just stop by?
4. Why does he feel the need to call her back at 1 p.m. and say "never mind"

I could be wayyyyy off base here, but these are things I would question.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have only been in Russellville 5 years. Before that I lived in Orlando, Charleston, Honolulu....all big police departments (I was a reserve officer in Charleston) not that I claim to know much. I can not believe that let a detective process his first murder crime scene without some sort of supervisor. So much evidence lost, or just not processed. Does anyone know where this Det. is now? I have been reading and they list him as former Det. Is he still in the same line of work? I used to think KJ was gulity but now.... I am so not convinced! I do not think there will be a conviction in this case, how could there be with so many loose ends? I know we are only 3 days in to this trial but the prosecution better have "beyond a shadow of a doubt" evidence out there.....

The police chief at the time had come here from Pine Bluff, an area with a much higher crime rate, including violent crimes. He would have supervised Frost; there were other agencies involved in the investigation.

I believe that Frost is still at RPD; Waid is the officer that was referred to as a former detective. (Unless I missed something.)

[lorettalockhorn]

You can defend them all and as long as you want, but it is getting down right embarrassing for the RPD, IMO. IMO, if Chief Bacon supervised Frost in this, then it doesn't look favorable on him either, so that statement doesn't really help out the cause. Having come from Pine Bluff and a seasoned veteran he should have been able to do a better job as well. But it doesn't really matter; what matters in the end is that the investigation was BOTCHED up in a big way. If KJ is not convicted, and I seriously doubt he will be, they will have nothing in their hands really to go after anyone else, and the murderer will get away thanks to that lousy investigation.

ITA that it was shoddy police work as Hawg put it. (See my previous post.) I'm not necessarily defending LE or Frost. I have posted both sides all throughout this trial as I got information. I am still neutral and waiting for KJ's alibi to materialize. As are others, I'm sure.

But thanks for giving me permission to ideate and theorize. (Where is the sarcastic smiley when you need it?)

[hoglover]

It has been testified to by Whiteside that she was face down and Kevin ran in and turned her over to and tried CPR, the EMT said lividity/mottling suggested to her that the body, although face up when she arrived, was face down prior. During the voluntary taped interview, Jones says both things as he describes the scene, he also said he tried CPR.
As for the sexual encounters by both. On the interview tape, which the officer said Kevin did not know he was being video taped, the officer asks Jones if he wears condoms, Jones said no that Nona is on the pill. The officer asks Kevin if he had sex with anyone else. He said yes about a week ago. The officer asks if he used a condom that time. Jones says yes and the officer asks him what brand/type.
After the jury left the room, the prosecution said they want to bring in the girl Jones says he had sex with(she was apparantly waiting in the hall). The defense said there was no reason to corroborate that as Jones had just testified(via the tape) that he had sex. The judge agreed with the defense.
As for the two college boys the prosecution called Tuesday to set timeline events, one said he knew Nona from music classes, they started flirting, talked regularly then one evening while he working in Springdale she asked him to come spend the night with her. He drove down after he got off work(midnight) and spent the rest of the night with her. When asked by the defense how long after he arrived they had sex he answered about 10 minutes. When asked if they had sex any other time he said no. The lawyer asked him to use "the Clinton" term for sex and the boy said, he thoguht he had just meant intercourse. The boy then said yes, they had oral sex before that night.



Thanks so much for responding. I know I had heard that about her being face down, I just think it is odd how much the media truly misses. I sometimes think we rely on them to much. Thanks again to you and the other person who filled me in yesterday on this.


One more thing, about the knife, was this anything key in the investigation? Being he left it overnight and all. Shoddy at best!!

[hudnala]

The police chief at the time had come here from Pine Bluff, an area with a much higher crime rate, including violent crimes. He would have supervised Frost; there were other agencies involved in the investigation.

I believe that Frost is still at RPD; Waid is the officer that was referred to as a former detective. (Unless I missed something.)

Hi there:seeya:
Thanks for the clarification. I got the names mixed up a bit.....Does anyone know what Former Det. (term used loosely) Waid is working these days?

[Mark501]

I wonder where the cake pan ended up?

501

[sololobo]

I wonder where the cake pan ended up?

501

It's probably at Marva with the missing stick:)

[Mark501]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

5:lol:1

[taveau]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15367

From the Russellville Courier:

Crime Lab employees dominate morning’s testimony

Testimony turned to forensic evidence this morning as personnel from the Arkansas State Crime Laboratory took the stand during the State v. Kevin Jones murder trial in Ozark.
Jeff Taylor, head of the crime lab’s digital evidence section, told jurors that Dirksmeyer’s cell phone did not automatically save outgoing text messages, possibly explaining why none were found when information from the cell phone’s memory was downloaded.
But during cross-examination, he admitted he did not do a physical inspection of the phone to determine if there were text messages in the phone’s outbox. He said he also did not do a control test to determine if the software used to download the phone’s information had the capability to retrieve information from the phone’s outbox.
Terry Rolfe, head of the crime lab’s DNA testing section, testified she told Russellville Police Det. Mark Frost that using superglue to obtain fingerprints off a condom wrapper found at the scene may inhibit the lab’s ability to collect usable DNA evidence from the wrapper. She said she left the decision on what to test to administer on the wrapper — fingerprints or DNA — up to Frost and the RPD.
Arkansas State Police Investigator Stacie Rhoads, state crime lab criminalists Chantelle Taylor and Edward Volman and Pope County Coroner Leonard Krout also testified.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks so much for responding. I know I had heard that about her being face down, I just think it is odd how much the media truly misses. I sometimes think we rely on them to much. Thanks again to you and the other person who filled me in yesterday on this.


One more thing, about the knife, was this anything key in the investigation? Being he left it overnight and all. Shoddy at best!!

Hey Hog, the media misses a lot due to space or time constraints, but we have to rely on some source, so we just have to take what we can get and figure out what is a reliable source and what isn't. For instance, Channel 5's (KFSM) news reports have been good, but what they had posted on their site was very poorly written; misspelled names and the face up comment. That shows either a lack of committment to reality or bad editing, not sure which.

I'm also curious about the woman that may have been sexually involved with Nona. I haven't read that or heard that from any other source.

The KFSM report mentions the woman that KJ had sex with. Sorry.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi there:seeya:
Thanks for the clarification. I got the names mixed up a bit.....Does anyone know what Former Det. (term used loosely) Waid is working these days?

As far as I know, he's still at RPD. I believe that I heard him on the scanner just a little while ago. Anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The detective rank is earned through testing. I'm not sure why he is referred to former; don't know if that means that he's no longer on the rotation or if the rank has been removed.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15367

From the Russellville Courier:

Crime Lab employees dominate morning’s testimony

Testimony turned to forensic evidence this morning as personnel from the Arkansas State Crime Laboratory took the stand during the State v. Kevin Jones murder trial in Ozark.
Jeff Taylor, head of the crime lab’s digital evidence section, told jurors that Dirksmeyer’s cell phone did not automatically save outgoing text messages, possibly explaining why none were found when information from the cell phone’s memory was downloaded.
But during cross-examination, he admitted he did not do a physical inspection of the phone to determine if there were text messages in the phone’s outbox. He said he also did not do a control test to determine if the software used to download the phone’s information had the capability to retrieve information from the phone’s outbox.
Terry Rolfe, head of the crime lab’s DNA testing section, testified she told Russellville Police Det. Mark Frost that using superglue to obtain fingerprints off a condom wrapper found at the scene may inhibit the lab’s ability to collect usable DNA evidence from the wrapper. She said she left the decision on what to test to administer on the wrapper — fingerprints or DNA — up to Frost and the RPD.
Arkansas State Police Investigator Stacie Rhoads, state crime lab criminalists Chantelle Taylor and Edward Volman and Pope County Coroner Leonard Krout also testified.

Thanks, Taveau!

[lorettalockhorn]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15366

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15365

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15364

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15363

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15362

[hoglover]

Hey Hog, the media misses a lot due to space or time constraints, but we have to rely on some source, so we just have to take what we can get and figure out what is a reliable source and what isn't. For instance, Channel 5's (KFSM) news reports have been good, but what they had posted on their site was very poorly written; misspelled names and the face up comment. That shows either a lack of committment to reality or bad editing, not sure which.

I'm also curious about the woman that may have been sexually involved with Nona. I haven't read that or heard that from any other source.


Whoa!!! Where did that one come from??? I didn't hear that one at all either.:eek:


One more thing I failed to mention, I don't have any of the local news channels since I am out of town during this whole thing. So, I have to solely rely on the web. Meaning whatever is on this board and the other links to the news I have been reading.

[al38]

I have only been in Russellville 5 years. Before that I lived in Orlando, Charleston, Honolulu....all big police departments (I was a reserve officer in Charleston) not that I claim to know much. I can not believe that let a detective process his first murder crime scene without some sort of supervisor. So much evidence lost, or just not processed. Does anyone know where this Det. is now? I have been reading and they list him as former Det. Is he still in the same line of work? I used to think KJ was gulity but now.... I am so not convinced! I do not think there will be a conviction in this case, how could there be with so many loose ends? I know we are only 3 days in to this trial but the prosecution better have "beyond a shadow of a doubt" evidence out there.....

ITA with all you have said. As far as where he is now, I don't know as far as his line of work. Today, his face is smiling at us from page 2 of the Courier. He was also on shown on Channel 7 at 11:30 smiling some more. It would seem he is happy about something. Maybe he just likes having his picture took.
I thought the reason it took so LONG for them to ARREST Jones was because they were processing evidence and wanted "all their ducks in a row"-
I thought when someone was murdered you tested every bit of DNA you could find- Maybe RPD needs to watch some of the shows they were talking about Kevin watching when he was arrested. They might learn something.

[lorettalockhorn]

Whoa!!! Where did that one come from??? I didn't hear that one at all either.:eek:

Sorry, I just re-read that article twice again; it was the woman who had sex with Kevin, not Nona. The one that I complained about Gibbons not calling to testify.

My apologies. I had not heard about that until I read it in that link, it wasn't in their newscast.

[chambord]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15367

From the Russellville Courier:

Crime Lab employees dominate morning’s testimony

Testimony turned to forensic evidence this morning as personnel from the Arkansas State Crime Laboratory took the stand during the State v. Kevin Jones murder trial in Ozark.
Jeff Taylor, head of the crime lab’s digital evidence section, told jurors that Dirksmeyer’s cell phone did not automatically save outgoing text messages, possibly explaining why none were found when information from the cell phone’s memory was downloaded.
But during cross-examination, he admitted he did not do a physical inspection of the phone to determine if there were text messages in the phone’s outbox. He said he also did not do a control test to determine if the software used to download the phone’s information had the capability to retrieve information from the phone’s outbox.
Terry Rolfe, head of the crime lab’s DNA testing section, testified she told Russellville Police Det. Mark Frost that using superglue to obtain fingerprints off a condom wrapper found at the scene may inhibit the lab’s ability to collect usable DNA evidence from the wrapper. She said she left the decision on what to test to administer on the wrapper — fingerprints or DNA — up to Frost and the RPD.
Arkansas State Police Investigator Stacie Rhoads, state crime lab criminalists Chantelle Taylor and Edward Volman and Pope County Coroner Leonard Krout also testified.

Yikes...so Rolfe left the testing decision on the condom wrapper up to Frost. Was it not possible to test for both DNA and fingerprints? I'm not understanding this either, or, procedure. Aren't we advanced enough to do both?

[hoglover]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15366

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15365

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15364

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15363

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15362



From the Courier:

When asked why he didn’t submit the condom wrapper for DNA testing, Frost said he called the State Crime Lab and was told he could either test for fingerprints or DNA, but not both. Frost said he opted to test for fingerprints.




Then if this is so, why do we keep hearing about a male's dna on it? Didn't they only test for prints because that is what he told them to test for? How then is there still the dna of a male on it? Enlighten me please!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Frost testified that he called the State Crime Lab and they told him he could either test for prints or dna on the condom wrapper, but not both. Then if this is so, why do we keep hearing about a male's dna on it? Didn't they only test for prints because that is what he told them to test for? How then is there still the dna of a male on it? Enlighten me please!!

Hog, the DNA testing that confirmed the sample didn't match Kevin's was done by the defense. Don't know why they were able to perform the test, yet the State crime lab wasn't.

[hoglover]

Hog, the DNA testing that confirmed the sample didn't match Kevin's was done by the defense. Don't know why they were able to perform the test, yet the State crime lab wasn't.


Hmm.. That sure has me wondering???:shrug:

[hudnala]

ITA with all you have said. As far as where he is now, I don't know as far as his line of work. Today, his face is smiling at us from page 2 of the Courier. He was also on shown on Channel 7 at 11:30 smiling some more. It would seem he is happy about something. Maybe he just likes having his picture took.
I thought the reason it took so LONG for them to ARREST Jones was because they were processing evidence and wanted "all their ducks in a row"-
I thought when someone was murdered you tested every bit of DNA you could find- Maybe RPD needs to watch some of the shows they were talking about Kevin watching when he was arrested. They might learn something.

I agree, maybe they should all start watching my favorite t.v. show "THE FIRST 48" on A&E.....

[Mark501]

It seems to me even the State Crime Lab is dragging on this too. They did not do a thorough analysis of the phone with regard to the outbox as well as dna and fingerprints.

501

[hawgustusgloop]

Hey Hog, the media misses a lot due to space or time constraints, but we have to rely on some source, so we just have to take what we can get and figure out what is a reliable source and what isn't. For instance, Channel 5's (KFSM) news reports have been good, but what they had posted on their site was very poorly written; misspelled names and the face up comment. That shows either a lack of committment to reality or bad editing, not sure which.

I'm also curious about the woman that may have been sexually involved with Nona. I haven't read that or heard that from any other source.

The KFSM report mentions the woman that KJ had sex with. Sorry.

I have a certain sort of allegiance to KFSM because I've watched their news practically all my life. However, I think K.Jo's brother works as a reporter for them, so who knows if that has any effect on their coverage?

[jonikay]

Waid was a higher ranking detective than Frost. He came to the crime scene and was called to the department to question Kevin. He left duty on the the 16th and did not return for 5 months, as his 6 week old daughter had a heart attack and a number of heart surgeries. He left to take care of her. He was the one that asked Kevin if it would be ok if he searched his vehicle. He never followed up on that, nor did he play any part at all in the rest of the investigation. He works for some Nebraska Company in, I guess, the same line of work as he did with the RPD.
As far as the girl that was to testify to the sex that Patterson wouldn't allow after defense objected. I was there. This was not the girl that he claims he had sex with a week before the murder. This girl was to testify that she had sex with him before that, thus making it 2 other people that he has been with. Kevin stated during the interrogation that he had only cheated on Nona one time. The prosecutors argued it, stating that this proves to the jury that he lied about his relationship with Nona and solidifies the statement that RW made about knowing about "times" he has been with other girls. Patterson said that "all this proves is he had sex." At which point, Jones' side of the courtroom felt it appropriate to laugh. The prosecution fought this one, but said that they would save her for "rebuttal." I assume she'll be called back. Another win for the defense on this one.

[hoglover]

Waid was a higher ranking detective than Frost. He came to the crime scene and was called to the department to question Kevin. He left duty on the the 16th and did not return for 5 months, as his 6 week old daughter had a heart attack and a number of heart surgeries. He left to take care of her. He was the one that asked Kevin if it would be ok if he searched his vehicle. He never followed up on that, nor did he play any part at all in the rest of the investigation. He works for some Nebraska Company in, I guess, the same line of work as he did with the RPD.
As far as the girl that was to testify to the sex that Patterson wouldn't allow after defense objected. I was there. This was not the girl that he claims he had sex with a week before the murder. This girl was to testify that she had sex with him before that, thus making it 2 other people that he has been with. Kevin stated during the interrogation that he had only cheated on Nona one time. The prosecutors argued it, stating that this proves to the jury that he lied about his relationship with Nona and solidifies the statement that RW made about knowing about "times" he has been with other girls. Patterson said that "all this proves is he had sex." At which point, Jones' side of the courtroom felt it appropriate to laugh. The prosecution fought this one, but said that they would save her for "rebuttal." I assume she'll be called back. Another win for the defense on this one.




Thanks so much for clearing this up. Good to know we have so many first hand eye witnesses to the court proceedings.

[hudnala]

Waid was a higher ranking detective than Frost. He came to the crime scene and was called to the department to question Kevin. He left duty on the the 16th and did not return for 5 months, as his 6 week old daughter had a heart attack and a number of heart surgeries. He left to take care of her. He was the one that asked Kevin if it would be ok if he searched his vehicle. He never followed up on that, nor did he play any part at all in the rest of the investigation. He works for some Nebraska Company in, I guess, the same line of work as he did with the RPD.
As far as the girl that was to testify to the sex that Patterson wouldn't allow after defense objected. I was there. This was not the girl that he claims he had sex with a week before the murder. This girl was to testify that she had sex with him before that, thus making it 2 other people that he has been with. Kevin stated during the interrogation that he had only cheated on Nona one time. The prosecutors argued it, stating that this proves to the jury that he lied about his relationship with Nona and solidifies the statement that RW made about knowing about "times" he has been with other girls. Patterson said that "all this proves is he had sex." At which point, Jones' side of the courtroom felt it appropriate to laugh. The prosecution fought this one, but said that they would save her for "rebuttal." I assume she'll be called back. Another win for the defense on this one.


All I can say is WOW, could the Chief not reassigned it to another detective. I am sure Waid was not in his right mind with his baby being sick! Wow. I "jokingly" told my husband last night, he could kill me here in Russellville , and get away with it. :cool:

[hoglover]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15367

From the Russellville Courier:

Crime Lab employees dominate morning’s testimony

Testimony turned to forensic evidence this morning as personnel from the Arkansas State Crime Laboratory took the stand during the State v. Kevin Jones murder trial in Ozark.
Jeff Taylor, head of the crime lab’s digital evidence section, told jurors that Dirksmeyer’s cell phone did not automatically save outgoing text messages, possibly explaining why none were found when information from the cell phone’s memory was downloaded.
But during cross-examination, he admitted he did not do a physical inspection of the phone to determine if there were text messages in the phone’s outbox. He said he also did not do a control test to determine if the software used to download the phone’s information had the capability to retrieve information from the phone’s outbox.
Terry Rolfe, head of the crime lab’s DNA testing section, testified she told Russellville Police Det. Mark Frost that using superglue to obtain fingerprints off a condom wrapper found at the scene may inhibit the lab’s ability to collect usable DNA evidence from the wrapper. She said she left the decision on what to test to administer on the wrapper — fingerprints or DNA — up to Frost and the RPD.
Arkansas State Police Investigator Stacie Rhoads, state crime lab criminalists Chantelle Taylor and Edward Volman and Pope County Coroner Leonard Krout also testified.


So they could test for everything else on that cell phone, but they couldn't physically take one of their little fingers and check the outbox on the phone?? I just can't comprehend this I guess. Did I just read this wrong??
Somethings are just not that complicated to me. My teenager could have done a better test. She knows the ends and outs of every feature of a cell phone.

[Mark501]

I hope things are going better for the prosecution in the courtroom than the reports we're getting here. This just seems like a 3 ring circus on the part of the RPD and State Crime Lab. Based on what has gone down thus far, all the defense has to do is keep their mouths shut and they win, in my opinion.

501 :shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

I hope things are going better for the prosecution in the courtroom than the reports we're getting here. This just seems like a 3 ring circus on the part of the RPD and State Crime Lab. Based on what has gone down thus far, all the defense has to do is keep their mouths shut and they win, in my opinion.

501 :shrug:

So far, the door for reasonable doubt seems to be wide open. The prosecution still needs to take that important step of placing K.Jo at the scene. If K.Jo committed this crime, I hope Gibbons brought his hat to court......you know, the one with the rabbit in it.

[FDInLaw]

A DNA expert confirmed that Dirksmeyer did not, however, have any blood on her clothes.

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6786469


From this it appears that Nona was in fact nude when she was murdered (unless these clothes were planted there and the ones she was wearing were disposed of).

[lorettalockhorn]

Waid was a higher ranking detective than Frost. He came to the crime scene and was called to the department to question Kevin. He left duty on the the 16th and did not return for 5 months, as his 6 week old daughter had a heart attack and a number of heart surgeries. He left to take care of her. He was the one that asked Kevin if it would be ok if he searched his vehicle. He never followed up on that, nor did he play any part at all in the rest of the investigation. He works for some Nebraska Company in, I guess, the same line of work as he did with the RPD.
As far as the girl that was to testify to the sex that Patterson wouldn't allow after defense objected. I was there. This was not the girl that he claims he had sex with a week before the murder. This girl was to testify that she had sex with him before that, thus making it 2 other people that he has been with. Kevin stated during the interrogation that he had only cheated on Nona one time. The prosecutors argued it, stating that this proves to the jury that he lied about his relationship with Nona and solidifies the statement that RW made about knowing about "times" he has been with other girls. Patterson said that "all this proves is he had sex." At which point, Jones' side of the courtroom felt it appropriate to laugh. The prosecution fought this one, but said that they would save her for "rebuttal." I assume she'll be called back. Another win for the defense on this one.

Thanks jk. Wonder why the laughter? It would seem that sex may well be the motive for the crime?

Also, if RW is a witness for the defense, the prosecution will be allowed to ask leading questions during cross examination. Maybe they can get the information in that way.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a certain sort of allegiance to KFSM because I've watched their news practically all my life. However, I think K.Jo's brother works as a reporter for them, so who knows if that has any effect on their coverage?

I like KFSM too, I watched it a lot when I lived in Fayetteville. And since it's on cable but not on Dish, we have both. Hadn't heard that about KJ's brother.

[hawgustusgloop]

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6786469


From this it appears that Nona was in fact nude when she was murdered (unless these clothes were planted there and the ones she was wearing were disposed of).

How odd. Weren't the pants kind of inside out like someone had pulled them off? What does this mean? Somebody please spell it out for me. Sololobo, will you please give us a couple of scenarios where this all makes perfect sense?

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6786469


From this it appears that Nona was in fact nude when she was murdered (unless these clothes were planted there and the ones she was wearing were disposed of).

Thanks for the link!

[hawgustusgloop]

Thanks jk. Wonder why the laughter? It would seem that sex may well be the motive for the crime?

I don't know, but if I were on the jury in a trial about the bludgeoning of a young woman, I would not be amused by the comment or by the fact that K.Jo's crew found it so funny.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks jk. Wonder why the laughter? It would seem that sex may well be the motive for the crime?
What kills me is that Kevin having sex is not the issue. He lied to the police about his relationship with Nona. I'm missing how this is not pertinent and why the Jury should not hear the testimony of the other girl.
:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

What kills me is that Kevin having sex is not the issue. He lied to the police about his relationship with Nona. I'm missing how this is not pertinent and why the Jury should not hear the testimony of the other girl.
:shrug:


If RW is a defense witness, the prosecution may be able to get the information out there somehow. They will be allowed to ask leading questions in cross examination. (If RW knows who this woman is.

[FDInLaw]

So far, the door for reasonable doubt seems to be wide open. The prosecution still needs to take that important step of placing K.Jo at the scene. If K.Jo committed this crime, I hope Gibbons brought his hat to court......you know, the one with the rabbit in it.
Make it a BIG fluffy rabit! :hat:

[Mark501]

The way I understood the scene was that her jeans were inside out with her panties in them as though they had been hastily removed. I think of three scenarios that would bring about that configuration:

Quick impromptu sex with someone you know.
A sexual assault.
The pants being removed after death.

Any thoughts?

501

[hawgustusgloop]

The way I understood the scene was that her jeans were inside out with her panties in them as though they had been hastily removed. I think of three scenarios that would bring about that configuration:

Quick impromptu sex with someone you know.
A sexual assault.
The pants being removed after death.

Any thoughts?

501

The problem with them being removed after death is that an expert testified that there wasn't any blood on her clothes.

[hoglover]

The way I understood the scene was that her jeans were inside out with her panties in them as though they had been hastily removed. I think of three scenarios that would bring about that configuration:

Quick impromptu sex with someone you know.
A sexual assault.
The pants being removed after death.

Any thoughts?

501


They also said her bra was laying there. Seems to be one of the 3 for sure. I wouldn't think it would be the last because they said she was nude when she was murdered. So maybe just one of the other two? HMMMM...

[hawgustusgloop]

They also said her bra was laying there. Seems to be one of the 3 for sure. I wouldn't think it would be the last because they said she was nude when she was murdered. So maybe just one of the other two? HMMMM...

Also, the often-cited and constantly-questioned Probable Cause Statement states that there was no evidence of the types of trauma that would indicate sexual assault.

[hoglover]

I am going to say IMO that maybe the condom wrapper and clothes were planted there to make it look like a sexual assault or something of the sort.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am going to say IMO that maybe the condom wrapper and clothes were planted there to make it look like a sexual assault or something of the sort.

That is what LE surmised.

[FDInLaw]

They also said her bra was laying there. Seems to be one of the 3 for sure. I wouldn't think it would be the last because they said she was nude when she was murdered. So maybe just one of the other two? HMMMM...

"HMMMM. . . " is right! If the scene was staged to look like a sex crime it's more likely that her clothes would have been removed post mortem. At least in my mind. Personally, I expected to hear that there was some sign that they were removed after, so obviously it's time for me to reconsider some things.

[chambord]

They also said her bra was laying there. Seems to be one of the 3 for sure. I wouldn't think it would be the last because they said she was nude when she was murdered. So maybe just one of the other two? HMMMM...


At the moment I'm leaning towards #1, and then.........

[jonikay]

ME stated no signs or recent sexual activity at all . . .

[lorettalockhorn]

ME stated no signs or recent sexual activity at all . . .

Maybe there was the promise of sex but the rage interrupted the act itself. Maybe it was oral sex or that it never progressed beyond foreplay.

Do we know if the clothes/jeans found nearby were the ones that she wore to her morning test?

[FDInLaw]

I just heard from someone that heard from someone that was in the courtroom. . . guess there was some sort of statement to the effect that Kevin either made the print on the bulb when he killed Nona or when her found her. . . and if he did it when he found her he would have had to seriously twist his wrist to make the angle. This is totally second hand here, so let's wait for confirmation.

[jonikay]

An oral swab was used to rule out oral sex. On Tuesday, Danny Vallee testified that she was wearing blue jeans and a green sweater to her morning Biology test. A green sweater and blue jeans were found at the crime scene. They have come to the conclusion that these were the same clothes.

[hoglover]

Maybe there was the promise of sex but the rage interrupted the act itself. Maybe it was oral sex or that it never progressed beyond foreplay.

Do we know if the clothes/jeans found nearby were the ones that she wore to her morning test?


This is just what I was thinking must have happened. IMO this could be the only scenerio that fits. Unless, she was forced to undress then killed, but being there was no struggle and killed from behind, it doesn't fit. I was thinking she was going to engage in a sexual activity or was getting ready to take a bath. In the end, it seems as though it was still staged. No blood on clothing laying near by and that dreaded condom wrappper.

[lorettalockhorn]

An oral swab was used to rule out oral sex. On Tuesday, Danny Vallee testified that she was wearing blue jeans and a green sweater to her morning Biology test. A green sweater and blue jeans were found at the crime scene. They have come to the conclusion that these were the same clothes.

Thanks jk!

Wait. An oral swab on Kevin to prove that he didn't give? Or an oral swab on Nona to prove that she didn't give? Both?

[FDInLaw]

An oral swab was used to rule out oral sex. On Tuesday, Danny Vallee testified that she was wearing blue jeans and a green sweater to her morning Biology test. A green sweater and blue jeans were found at the crime scene. They have come to the conclusion that these were the same clothes.
THANKS! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 7 news at 6:00 reported that the hair samples tested was Nona's and pet hair, probably from her cats. A State crime lab employee testified that since the condom wrapper was tested for fingerprints, it was thought that it wouldn't be possible to test for DNA. (Does the crime lab need better facilities?) There was a brief mention of Bacon. Channel 5 also mentioned that Bacon testified that LE believes that the palm print was made at the time of the killing.

Both stations showed pretty short segments.

[hoglover]

An oral swab was used to rule out oral sex. On Tuesday, Danny Vallee testified that she was wearing blue jeans and a green sweater to her morning Biology test. A green sweater and blue jeans were found at the crime scene. They have come to the conclusion that these were the same clothes.

No oral sex, no sex, no sexual assault, no struggle, nude when murdered, and clothes laying near by. She had to come out of those clothes for something.

[lorettalockhorn]

No oral sex, no sex, no sexual assault, no struggle, nude when murdered, and clothes laying near by. She had to come out of those clothes for something.


You're right. And there was a discussion early on in the thread about whether or not the panties would be inside the jeans if she had removed them herself or if the killer had removed them.

[hoglover]

Was anyone in the court room today? I would like to know how is KJ acting, his demeanor? By the way, Is he supposed to testify?

[hudnala]

I am going to say IMO that maybe the condom wrapper and clothes were planted there to make it look like a sexual assault or something of the sort.

I agree with that assumption!

[jonikay]

I just heard from someone that heard from someone that was in the courtroom. . . guess there was some sort of statement to the effect that Kevin either made the print on the bulb when he killed Nona or when her found her. . . and if he did it when he found her he would have had to seriously twist his wrist to make the angle. This is totally second hand here, so let's wait for confirmation.
Gibbons mentioned this in the opening statements, although he didn't go into great detail. I wonder how it was explained in the courtroom . . .

[FDInLaw]

The underwear had been worn. There was semen on them. They were sent to an independent DNA lab in Florida. There were no enxymes in the semen of the panties which meant it was a few days old. Fresh semem would have enzymes present. It belonged to Kevin Jones. Expert stated it is common for some semen to remain in vagina and trickle out later on. He said the only other reason for the semen without enzymes present to be on the underwear was if they were only "lightly" washed.
The semen belonged to Kevin? Huh.

By the time the underwear made it to FL, the semen sample would have been at least a few days old. . . do they have some way of preserving the enzymes???

[lorettalockhorn]

The panties were inside the jeans.

Right, we know that. The discussion (before you joined, I guess) was whether or not she would undress with her panties inside the jeans or if they would be inside the jeans if someone else undressed her. You might be able to search the discussion.

[lorettalockhorn]

He sorta said that when examined by Phillips but when cross examined by defense he readily admitted to the defense that there were two possibilities when it could have been placed there--during the killing OR at time of discovery.

Stated he did not do any collection or processing of evidence while at the scene. He also admonished that he met daily for 2 and a half weeks with investigators PD, SD & ASP on case to discuss what had been done but he wasn't much willing to say that he directly supervised or advised in collection of evidence at the scene, but IMO since he was CoP there's no way for him to get around that really. Could not give any reasonable explanation why more suspects were not printed or DNA tested. Could not give any reasonable explanation why only living room was tested for prints, the counter where the knife was found, the blinds were not tested, the thermostat wasn't tested-- it is possible the killer is the one who turned the heat down, the cell phone wasn't tested, light switches werren't tested and the list went on and on. It is getting pretty embarassing for the PD.

Also, it was noted that in one instance on one of the video tape interrogation of KJ he said "No, he didn't touch the lamp that he REMEMBERED." So, it wasn't always a definite "NO"

Thanks for your take, but you lost me there with admonished. Who did he admonish?

I don't live in the city limits of Rville, but if I did and there was vote to approve new funds for RPD, I would want it to be for training.

[lorettalockhorn]

jonikay, if you happen to come back; I was curious about the swab taken to rule out oral sex. Was one made of KJ's mouth? Do they know that no one performed oral sex on Nona? Like Hog pointed out, those clothes came off for a reason.

[FDInLaw]

Makes a lot of sense... you have a murder, which rarely occurs in Russelville, and it is high profile, and you only obtain prints from 4 people, two of which weren't suspect and were there at time of discovery. :lol: I understand you would want to rule them out since they were there at this important time, but come on, no one else was printed? That's got to be humiliating. IMO, every suspect they had, Duane Dipert, Trey York, Jeremy Martin, and every other John, Dick and Harry should have been printed. The statement was made today that KJ was the ONLY one DNA tested.

I guess when they found out that it was Kevin's prints that were in Nona's blood, that he had lied multiple times, had no alibi for the time of the murder, and was the one suspect that failed a lie detector test they figured they had their guy? Sorta like the cake analogy used today in court (not sure you heard it though). . . if you discover your kid in his room with frosting all over his face you can deduce that he ate your missing cake. At that point there is no reason to look for another suspect.

[hoglover]

His demeanor was appropriate, quiet, sincere, and serious. It is not known yet if he will testify.

Thanks for the response. Its good to know a first hand account. Most defense lawyers don't like to have their clients testify. IMO! It is so easy to incriminate themselves. IMO, if it was me I would want to shout it from the roof tops I AM NOt GUILTY! If I was pleading as such, and was fighting for my life. (I mean finding him guilty would change his life forever) I am not leaving my OP of who might have done this until I hear all the evidence. I would hate to think that someone who truly loved Nona could kill her.

:(

[sololobo]

The underwear had been worn. There was semen on them. They were sent to an independent DNA lab in Florida. There were no enxymes in the semen of the panties which meant it was a few days old. Fresh semem would have enzymes present. It belonged to Kevin Jones. Expert stated it is common for some semen to remain in vagina and trickle out later on. He said the only other reason for the semen without enzymes present to be on the underwear was if they were only "lightly" washed.

Did the panties require delicate washing or were they removed from a laundry hamper along with the jeans? Was she wearing a heavy green sweater, one she would have removed when she returned from her morning test? Was she wearing anything under the sweater? It was cold that morning. Was she wearing non-descript jeans? Perhaps the jeans and the panties were in a bathroom hamper which she left there when showering earlier in the week. Was the sweater laying out where she put it after she got home? Or the killer perhaps planted the green sweater, knowing she wore it that day, and planted the jeans, panties, and bra that he got from a laundry hamper in her bathroom? And then disposed of the bloody clothes?

[hoglover]

Thanks for your take, but you lost me there with admonished. Who did he admonish?

I don't live in the city limits of Rville, but if I did and there was vote to approve new funds for RPD, I would want it to be for training.

You're good!! Spell check please!

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the response. Its good to know a first hand account. Most defense lawyers don't like to have their clients testify. IMO! It is so easy to incriminate themselves. IMO, if it was me I would want to shout it from the roof tops I AM NOt GUILTY! If I was pleading as such, and was fighting for my life. (I mean finding him guilty would change his life forever) I am not leaving my OP of who might have done this until I hear all the evidence. I would hate to think that someone who truly loved Nona could kill her.

:(

All so true.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ahh... linguistics.... I actually meant admitted, but testified would actually be a better descriptive term.


Not linguistics at all, I just think of admonish in the sense of a reprimand. Thanks.

[hoglover]

Gee, FD, I didn't think you were going to make it to the trial...

I will say this. I am not sitting there in the court room, but I am only listening to first hand, eye witness, and impartial accounts from the court room. I read all the media reports and have listened to the notes of those sitting in on the trial itself. I would also like to add, when the PCS was taken all the statements and evidence collected was fresh. Unlike now, over one year later, everything fades with time. Like someones memory would after that long a period of time. I don't think IMO we can throw out the PCS, its like saying it doesn't exsist. He did make contradicting statements per the PCS. I would think he would have a better memory of his actions then, then turning around and changing his mind later. IMO! We all have to look at the evidence as a whole, and the PCS is a part of this evidence.

[lorettalockhorn]

I will say this. I am not sitting there in the court room, but I am only listening to first hand, eye witness, and impartial accounts from the court room. I read all the media reports and have listened to the notes of those sitting in on the trial itself. I would also like to add, when the PCS was taken all the statements and evidence collected was fresh. Unlike now, over one year later, everything fades with time. Like someones memory would after that long a period of time. I don't think IMO we can throw out the PCS, its like saying it doesn't exsist. He did make contradicting statements per the PCS. I would think he would have a better memory of his actions then, then turning around and changing his mind later. IMO! We all have to look at the evidence as a whole, and the PCS is a part of this evidence.

IMO some posts on this board must be taken with a pillar of salt.

I still think that we have a lot to learn from whatever source we can access, some are unbiased. Others, not so much. I want to hear the alibi and am extremely disappointed that the witness from AT&T(?) didn't testify as to what time calls were made from KJ's cell phone.

[hoglover]

IMO some posts on this board must be taken with a pillar of salt.

I still think that we have a lot to learn from whatever source we can access, some are unbiased. Others, not so much. I want to hear the alibi and am extremely disappointed that the witness from AT&T(?) didn't testify as to what time calls were made from KJ's cell phone.

Would you tell me something, are the prosecutors present for this? I would like to know why are they not filling in these gaps???? This seems frustrating. Did they not question this witness, or was this their witness?


Did the witness not say that no calls were picked up until 12 something that day?

One more thing, I am taking some of these posts with a whole ocean of salt!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Would you tell me something, are the prosecutors present for this? I would like to know why are they not filling in these gaps???? This seems frustrating. Did they not question this witness, or was this their witness?


Did the witness not say that no calls were picked up until 12 something that day?

One more thing, I am taking some of these posts with a whole ocean of salt!!!!

He was a prosecution witness and testified that the calls up until 1:45 pinged off the Dover area cell towers. What he didn't testify to, was whether or not KJ actually made any calls during the critical time period. I couldn't tell from what I read if the information wasn't available to him, or wasn't available. I find it hard to believe that he would purposely refuse to comply with the subpoena to appear to testify about the cell phone. I have no idea how the prosecution plans to settle the matter.

Whoever the killer is; if he knew to remove the battery from Nona's phone, he may have well known not to use his own phone while he was going to and from the scene of the murder.

hehehe I'm a huge fan of fleur de sel, myself!

[FDInLaw]

Good ol' dtbh, he keeps you informed, huh? Oh, wait... I guess he didn't hear that first hand either.
:shrug: Have I mentioned knowing him/her?

[FDInLaw]

Except there are problems with your statement. I have not heard anywhere that KJ failed the lie detector tests, and I have it on good authority that it wasn't him. He does have an alibi, more than one in fact, for the time that he doesn't have one was too small a window of opportunity to drive to Russellville to commit a murder, I mean it's not like he was up the hill sleeping. Refresh my memory, what lies were those? Guess I am clueless to those.

So, let me guess, word in your camp is that someone else failed the lie detector test? Do tell, since you have it on "good authority."

There are quite a few people up the hill or in a walking distance of Nona's apartment. Your point?

[FDInLaw]

It's been a long week, and sure nice to finally have some of our questions answered!

I hope ya'll have a great weekend!

:seeya:

[hoglover]

Where are you Christina? Some more input from the court room would be nice here!!

Oh, and I hope you have a great weekend too!

[FDInLaw]

Where are you Christina? Some more input from the court room would be nice here!!

Oh, and I hope you have a great weekend too! Hear, hear! We need Christina!

[lorettalockhorn]

Pretty much everyone here is pretty biased in their own opinions.

Um well, I was speaking primarily about media sources. I do take some posts on the message board (any message board) with a grain of salt, since there seems to have been some "misunderstandings" about the court proceedings.

But yes, we do have and are all entitled to our own opinions and should be able to voice them unmolested.

[FDInLaw]

Um well, I was speaking primarily about media sources. I do take some posts on the message board (any message board) with a grain of salt, since there seems to have been some "misunderstandings" about the court proceedings.

But yes, we do have and are all entitled to our own opinions and should be able to voice them unmolested.
"unmolested" :lol: Your use of words is cracking me up!

[christina]

At 3:15 today Chief Bacon was brought to the stand and the first piece of evidence(other than Kevin being at Nona's apartment because he admitted to finding her) tying Jones to the scene was introduced- the bloody palm print on the light bulb. I thought to myself, this jury has sat here for an entire week and they are just now seeing this. Remember- they supposedly have only seen/heard what has been presented in court to them.
Bacon was a solid and believable witness. The key moment was when the prosecutor asked him to get up and show how the print was placed on the bulb- what position in relation to the way the lamp/lightbulb is laying next to the body, was the print placed on it. Sorry if this gets confusing but bear with me while I try to explain. We are looking at the TV with a crime scene photo of Nona's body and surroundings while the prosecutor and Bacon are standing in front of the jury acting it out. She is face up, perpendicular to her left is the part of the lamp with the bulb on it. The bulb is closest to her body about 1-2 feet away. Between her body and the bulb is blood on the carpet. There is no visible blood on the carpet on her right side. Bacon explains that the palm print is on the side of the bulb towards her feet. (if facing the bulb it is on your right) The palm is up with the fingers down.
The prosecutor asks Bacon if he could place his palm print on it while straddling the body. Bacon imitates that and reaches out as far away from his body as he can with his right arm. It is apparant it is possible. One of the jurors shrugged their shoulders, looked at another juror and mouthed "so what".
My thought was that Whiteside testified she was face down and Kevin turned her over. Kevin in his interview says he isnt sure but thinks she was face up, then another time says something like she was either face up or down but all he remembered was that he grabbed her and tried mouth to mouth and held her to keep her warm.
In the picture you see the blood on the carpet on her left side closest to the lightbulb. If she were face down, that is most likely where she would have been before being turned over. All have testified it was dark(the EMT testified it was dark and she had to turn the light on). It is not just plausible, but probable he touched the lightbulb when he got to her body and is telling the truth when he said he didn't think he touched the light.

[christina]

Um well, I was speaking primarily about media sources. I do take some posts on the message board (any message board) with a grain of salt, since there seems to have been some "misunderstandings" about the court proceedings.

But yes, we do have and are all entitled to our own opinions and should be able to voice them unmolested.

I do hope you include the media reports in what you take with a grain of salt :(

[christina]

I have found that SusieQ's posts are interesting and feeled with a lot of emotion. Just a question, do you have any kind of ties to KJ? You don't have to answer, it just seems when someone doesn't answer just the way you want, you get a little bit beside yourself. PMSing much!! JMHO!! Like I said, oceans of salt hear!! Everyone is entitled to how they feel though. Whether it be for KJ or against him. I am waiting for all the evidence to be laid out first, before I cast judgement! Be it guilty or not!!!!!

The PMS remark is so ridiculously small and immature. I usually do not say things that strongly to someone on this blog. But this absolutely merits it, please refrain from something that derogatory.

[hoglover]

At 3:15 today Chief Bacon was brought to the stand and the first piece of evidence(other than Kevin being at Nona's apartment because he admitted to finding her) tying Jones to the scene was introduced- the bloody palm print on the light bulb. I thought to myself, this jury has sat here for an entire week and they are just now seeing this. Remember- they supposedly have only seen/heard what has been presented in court to them.
Bacon was a solid and believable witness. The key moment was when the prosecutor asked him to get up and show how the print was placed on the bulb- what position in relation to the way the lamp/lightbulb is laying next to the body, was the print placed on it. Sorry if this gets confusing but bear with me while I try to explain. We are looking at the TV with a crime scene photo of Nona's body and surroundings while the prosecutor and Bacon are standing in front of the jury acting it out. She is face up, perpendicular to her left is the part of the lamp with the bulb on it. The bulb is closest to her body about 1-2 feet away. Between her body and the bulb is blood on the carpet. There is no visible blood on the carpet on her right side. Bacon explains that the palm print is on the side of the bulb towards her feet. (if facing the bulb it is on your right) The palm is up with the fingers down.
The prosecutor asks Bacon if he could place his palm print on it while straddling the body. Bacon imitates that and reaches out as far away from his body as he can with his right arm. It is apparant it is possible. One of the jurors shrugged their shoulders, looked at another juror and mouthed "so what".
My thought was that Whiteside testified she was face down and Kevin turned her over. Kevin in his interview says he isnt sure but thinks she was face up, then another time says something like she was either face up or down but all he remembered was that he grabbed her and tried mouth to mouth and held her to keep her warm.
In the picture you see the blood on the carpet on her left side closest to the lightbulb. If she were face down, that is most likely where she would have been before being turned over. All have testified it was dark(the EMT testified it was dark and she had to turn the light on). It is not just plausible, but probable he touched the lightbulb when he got to her body and is telling the truth when he said he didn't think he touched the light.


So, does this mean they didn't believe he was the one who used the lamp on her? What was your take on the juror saying "So What?"? Odd for a juror to just speak out like that isn't it? Hmmm....

[al38]

Christina, thank you for taking the time to write about what happened today. I hope you have a good weekend.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have found that SusieQ's posts are interesting and feeled with a lot of emotion. Just a question, do you have any kind of ties to KJ? You don't have to answer, it just seems when someone doesn't answer just the way you want, you get a little bit beside yourself. PMSing much!! JMHO!! Like I said, oceans of salt hear!! Everyone is entitled to how they feel though. Whether it be for KJ or against him. I am waiting for all the evidence to be laid out first, before I cast judgement! Be it guilty or not!!!!!

SQ's posts are very interesting and yes she does sound emotional at times. I've never met any of the Jones family and don't know anything about Kevin other than what I have read, so no ties. Didn't know Nona either. I do take this pretty seriously, for sure and think it is disrespectful when people don't take the case seriously and make personal attacks against Nona or other posters. No, I'm not PMSing. What a strange remark.

I've said many times that I am waiting for the evidence. Being a newcomer, perhaps you don't know that. Very few people to my recollection besides SQ and Christina have stated that their minds are made up.

I try to choose my words very carefully. Others, not so much. My comment about bias was about our access to sources of information. Maybe you misunderstood? This is what I said: "I still think that we have a lot to learn from whatever source we can access, some are unbiased. Others, not so much."

[hoglover]

The PMS remark is so ridiculously small and immature. I usually do not say things that strongly to someone on this blog. But this absolutely merits it, please refrain from something that derogatory.

IMO! Can I not speak my mind? I think there are a lot of derogatory remarks being made here. I do step out of that serious "adultlike" attitude sometimes. I am sorry if I offended you. I don't see anyone else apoligizing for their remarks on here either. IMO!

[hoglover]

SQ's posts are very interesting and yes she does sound emotional at times. I've never met any of the Jones family and don't know anything about Kevin other than what I have read, so no ties. Didn't know Nona either. I do take this pretty seriously, for sure and think it is disrespectful when people don't take the case seriously and make personal attacks against Nona or other posters. No, I'm not PMSing. What a strange remark.

I've said many times that I am waiting for the evidence. Being a newcomer, perhaps you don't know that. Very few people to my recollection besides SQ and Christina have stated that their minds are made up.

I try to choose my words very carefully. Others, not so much. My comment about bias was about our access to sources of information. Maybe you misunderstood?


Did I direct this at you or something? I don't think I did!

[christina]

So, does this mean they didn't believe he was the one who used the lamp on her? What was your take on the juror saying "So What?"? Odd for a juror to just speak out like that isn't it? Hmmm....

Sit in that position on the floor with something a foot from you and see if it is possible that in the dark while flailing around it is probable you would touch it.
What I saw/heard was that people in the courtroom, including the jurors saw that probablity.

[lorettalockhorn]

I do hope you include the media reports in what you take with a grain of salt :(

This is what I said about accessing sources: "I still think that we have a lot to learn from whatever source we can access, some are unbiased. Others, not so much."

[christina]

IMO! Can I not speak my mind? I think there are a lot of derogatory remarks being made here. I do step out of that serious "adultlike" attitude sometimes. I am sorry if I offended you. I don't see anyone else apoligizing for their remarks on here either. IMO!

You must be a man to have said this and not understand why any woman would be offended by it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did I direct this at you or something? I don't think I did!

Oh, maybe you made a mistake when you quoted my comment. No harm, no foul. LOL

[hawgustusgloop]

I have found that SusieQ's posts are interesting and feeled with a lot of emotion. Just a question, do you have any kind of ties to KJ? You don't have to answer, it just seems when someone doesn't answer just the way you want, you get a little bit beside yourself. PMSing much!! JMHO!! Like I said, oceans of salt hear!! Everyone is entitled to how they feel though. Whether it be for KJ or against him. I am waiting for all the evidence to be laid out first, before I cast judgement! Be it guilty or not!!!!!

I don't know why susieQ displays such personal hostility toward Nona's stepfather. I don't know why she seems to choose a different person every day upon whom to cast suspicion. One day, it's the nervous Trey York. The next, it's Duane Dipert. Who will it be tomorrow?

I wish susieQ would just give a one-word response to the following question, either YES or NO:

Are you always going to be ashamed to tell us that you know K.Jo?

I guess I couldn't blame her if she were, considering the circumstances.

All my opinion.

[christina]

This is what I said about accessing sources: "I still think that we have a lot to learn from whatever source we can access, some are unbiased. Others, not so much."

Sorry, didn't read far enough back, understand now. And I finally take your advice on the smiley face and get it wrong!

[lorettalockhorn]

At 3:15 today Chief Bacon was brought to the stand and the first piece of evidence(other than Kevin being at Nona's apartment because he admitted to finding her) tying Jones to the scene was introduced- the bloody palm print on the light bulb. I thought to myself, this jury has sat here for an entire week and they are just now seeing this. Remember- they supposedly have only seen/heard what has been presented in court to them.
Bacon was a solid and believable witness. The key moment was when the prosecutor asked him to get up and show how the print was placed on the bulb- what position in relation to the way the lamp/lightbulb is laying next to the body, was the print placed on it. Sorry if this gets confusing but bear with me while I try to explain. We are looking at the TV with a crime scene photo of Nona's body and surroundings while the prosecutor and Bacon are standing in front of the jury acting it out. She is face up, perpendicular to her left is the part of the lamp with the bulb on it. The bulb is closest to her body about 1-2 feet away. Between her body and the bulb is blood on the carpet. There is no visible blood on the carpet on her right side. Bacon explains that the palm print is on the side of the bulb towards her feet. (if facing the bulb it is on your right) The palm is up with the fingers down.
The prosecutor asks Bacon if he could place his palm print on it while straddling the body. Bacon imitates that and reaches out as far away from his body as he can with his right arm. It is apparant it is possible. One of the jurors shrugged their shoulders, looked at another juror and mouthed "so what".
My thought was that Whiteside testified she was face down and Kevin turned her over. Kevin in his interview says he isnt sure but thinks she was face up, then another time says something like she was either face up or down but all he remembered was that he grabbed her and tried mouth to mouth and held her to keep her warm.
In the picture you see the blood on the carpet on her left side closest to the lightbulb. If she were face down, that is most likely where she would have been before being turned over. All have testified it was dark(the EMT testified it was dark and she had to turn the light on). It is not just plausible, but probable he touched the lightbulb when he got to her body and is telling the truth when he said he didn't think he touched the light.

Thanks so much!

[lorettalockhorn]

IMO! Can I not speak my mind? I think there are a lot of derogatory remarks being made here. I do step out of that serious "adultlike" attitude sometimes. I am sorry if I offended you. I don't see anyone else apoligizing for their remarks on here either. IMO!

Speaking your mind is one thing; directing sexist remarks to another poster is a whole nuther animal.

One of the boards where I post has a saying next to the reply button: "STOP. THINK."

[hoglover]

You must be a man to have said this and not understand why any woman would be offended by it.


No as a matter of fact I am not a man!! I am very opinionated and express such in a way sometimes people don't understand. I have a teenage daughter so maybe being around her, a little of her came out of me at that point. I will remember this kind of thing offends you and I will refrain from using such childish remarks. I do, by the way, enjoy your updates. No, I don't know either side of this personally, just by way of the news. I do live in AR and have a daughter in pageants. I just get a little passionate sometimes. My intensions were not to offend anyone. Maybe I get too over zealous. Don't be mistaken I do stick by own personal opinions of how I feel about this trial. JUSTICE 4 NONA!

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry, didn't read far enough back, understand now. And I finally take your advice on the smiley face and get it wrong!


No prob at all.

[christina]

Christina, thank you for taking the time to write about what happened today. I hope you have a good weekend.

You are welcome. As I stated, after Tuesday night I came to the conlcusion Jones was innocent. But I have still sat through the rest of the week listening for something that would tell me why the PD focussed in on Jones. The only piece of evidence they have was presented today through Bacon and it came to nothing.
I hope to go next week. My guess is that the prosecution will wrap up Monday, maybe in the morning. They have cut many of their witnesses and the wind was totally out of their sails after Bacon's testimony. At this point they know(they could not have missed that jurors reaction) that they have minimally a hung jury. By the end I felt I was watching a sporting event and no matter how good the winning team was, I wanted to root for the under dogs.
While all of us are resting this weekend, I am confident they will be hard at work strategizing. They shot their only smoking gun today and it misfired.

[chambord]

At 3:15 today Chief Bacon was brought to the stand and the first piece of evidence(other than Kevin being at Nona's apartment because he admitted to finding her) tying Jones to the scene was introduced- the bloody palm print on the light bulb. I thought to myself, this jury has sat here for an entire week and they are just now seeing this. Remember- they supposedly have only seen/heard what has been presented in court to them.
Bacon was a solid and believable witness. The key moment was when the prosecutor asked him to get up and show how the print was placed on the bulb- what position in relation to the way the lamp/lightbulb is laying next to the body, was the print placed on it. Sorry if this gets confusing but bear with me while I try to explain. We are looking at the TV with a crime scene photo of Nona's body and surroundings while the prosecutor and Bacon are standing in front of the jury acting it out. She is face up, perpendicular to her left is the part of the lamp with the bulb on it. The bulb is closest to her body about 1-2 feet away. Between her body and the bulb is blood on the carpet. There is no visible blood on the carpet on her right side. Bacon explains that the palm print is on the side of the bulb towards her feet. (if facing the bulb it is on your right) The palm is up with the fingers down.
The prosecutor asks Bacon if he could place his palm print on it while straddling the body. Bacon imitates that and reaches out as far away from his body as he can with his right arm. It is apparant it is possible. One of the jurors shrugged their shoulders, looked at another juror and mouthed "so what".
My thought was that Whiteside testified she was face down and Kevin turned her over. Kevin in his interview says he isnt sure but thinks she was face up, then another time says something like she was either face up or down but all he remembered was that he grabbed her and tried mouth to mouth and held her to keep her warm.
In the picture you see the blood on the carpet on her left side closest to the lightbulb. If she were face down, that is most likely where she would have been before being turned over. All have testified it was dark(the EMT testified it was dark and she had to turn the light on). It is not just plausible, but probable he touched the lightbulb when he got to her body and is telling the truth when he said he didn't think he touched the light.

Excellant reporting... I devour your reports.

You mean to tell me that after all this time they haven't established if Nona was face down or up? Or am I misreading?

[hawgustusgloop]

Another interesting article from KFSM:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6787930

[christina]

No as a matter of fact I am not a man!! I am very opinionated and express such in a way sometimes people don't understand. I have a teenage daughter so maybe being around her, a little of her came out of me at that point. I will remember this kind of thing offends you and I will refrain from using such childish remarks. I do, by the way, enjoy your updates. No, I don't know either side of this personally, just by way of the news. I do live in AR and have a daughter in pageants. I just get a little passionate sometimes. My intensions were not to offend anyone. Maybe I get too over zealous. Don't be mistaken I do stick by own personal opinions of how I feel about this trial. JUSTICE 4 NONA!

Thanks for explaining. Peace!
I too want Justice for Nona but believe that convicting the wrong person will not accomplish that. I feel so badly for her family, they have lost a loved one forever. I would be mad if I were them after this week especially.
I also feel badly for the Jones and can see that if it is a hung jury or even if he is found not guilty, he is marked for life.

[christina]

Excellant reporting... I devour your reports.

You mean to tell me that after all this time they haven't established if Nona was face down or up? Or am I misreading?

The medical examiner testified(as did the EMT first on the scene) that lividity tells them she was face down after her death. Whiteside testified he looked in the window and saw her face down and saw Jones turn her over to do cpr.

[hawgustusgloop]

Thanks for explaining. Peace!
I too want Justice for Nona but believe that convicting the wrong person will not accomplish that. I feel so badly for her family, they have lost a loved one forever. I would be mad if I were them after this week especially.
I also feel badly for the Jones and can see that if it is a hung jury or even if he is found not guilty, he is marked for life.

I agree with what you are saying. I think you are right about K.Jo being marked for life. Even if the defense presents a perfect alibi and he is promptly acquitted, IMO people will probably always wonder if he did it.

[christina]

Speaking your mind is one thing; directing sexist remarks to another poster is a whole nuther animal.

One of the boards where I post has a saying next to the reply button: "STOP. THINK."

I need that written next to my computer, on the bathroom mirror, in my car, next to my cell phone......

[hoglover]

Thanks for explaining. Peace!
I too want Justice for Nona but believe that convicting the wrong person will not accomplish that. I feel so badly for her family, they have lost a loved one forever. I would be mad if I were them after this week especially.
I also feel badly for the Jones and can see that if it is a hung jury or even if he is found not guilty, he is marked for life.

Like I have said earlier, it is just hard for me to believe that someone could kill someone they love, and so violently. I have seen all week that things just aren't going well for the prosecution. They may see that not following up on all the evidence and leads may come back to bite them in the behind. IMO!

[christina]

Another interesting article from KFSM:
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6787930

I just noticed your new location- funny (see smiley face here)

[lorettalockhorn]

Like I have said earlier, it is just hard for me to believe that someone could kill someone they love, and so violently. I have seen all week that things just aren't going well for the prosecution. They may see that not following up on all the evidence and leads may come back to bite them in the behind. IMO!

A large percentage of women who are murdered are killed by an intimate partner. I read recently that domestic violence accounts for >1/3 of emergency room visits.

[jonikay]

Ok, ok . . . even if he did do it at this point, it is my opinion that he isn't going to be convicted for it. And no evidence is giving the jury the reasonable doubt that he did it. Besides that, the prosecution seemed ill-prepared for this monster of a case. Either he was too smart to leave any sign of himself anywhere or he just didn't do it.

[hawgustusgloop]

Article from KARK's site:
http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=57646

This info seems to be different than what we've seen, so I'm getting confused.

[christina]

Like I have said earlier, it is just hard for me to believe that someone could kill someone they love, and so violently. I have seen all week that things just aren't going well for the prosecution. They may see that not following up on all the evidence and leads may come back to bite them in the behind. IMO!

I think it is possible for violent acts to take place between loved ones, all of us are capable of evil things.
This week, I have had thoughts of how often I have times of not having independent verification of my whereabouts- Of sending e-mails or leaving voice messages that can misinterpreted. Jones texting U Alive is not weird/unusual when seen in a different light. Smart aleck questions/comments are said all the time- especially on this blog(see smiley face here agian).
Hopefully all police will learn from this.
I have stopped making sense, sandman cometh.........

[hawgustusgloop]

Ok, ok . . . even if he did do it at this point, it is my opinion that he isn't going to be convicted for it. And no evidence is giving the jury the reasonable doubt that he did it. Besides that, the prosecution seemed ill-prepared for this monster of a case. Either, he was too smart to leave any sign of himself anywhere or he just didn't do it.

I agree that right now K.Jo's chances of acquittal are looking good. I don't know if K.Jo or whoever else may have done it was too smart to leave any sign of himself, or if RPD just didn't preserve and/or collect it. The knife! The phone! Two things the killer surely handled, and two opportunities for evidence lost.

[christina]

Article from KARK's site:
http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=57646

This info seems to be different than what we've seen, so I'm getting confused.

This is such a clear example of almost completely false reporting! The prosecution rests?!? It is not clear if the semen matches Jones?!? Who was this guy!??!!?

[lorettalockhorn]

Article from KARK's site:
http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=57646

This info seems to be different than what we've seen, so I'm getting confused.


Yes, it sure is different. I didn't realize that the vaginal swab revealed semen. I guess it came from her panties? What the?

Seventeen wounds. Seventeen.

[hawgustusgloop]

:shrug: Have I mentioned knowing him/her?

susieQ thinks she knows who dtbh is.

[hawgustusgloop]

That is soooo dang funny because I DON'T know KJ, and if I did I CERTAINLY wouldn't be afraid to tell ya. I am not a person who hides my convictions. Just because I don't CARE what Duane Dipert thinks doesn't mean I am casting suspicion his way. So, whom do you know in the case? Why are you so set to protect Duane Dipert?

I know one of the music teachers from Tech who was a witness, but only by taking her classes many moons ago. She is a very nice lady. I have not seen her in nearly a decade. That is the ONLY person even remotely connected with this case that I have ever met.

I am not set to protect Duane Dipert, whatever that means. I don't believe any adult male needs my protection. I just think it is beyond offensive when someone says something like this:

"I don't give a rip what Duane thinks. He hasn't been in the court room."

about the victim's stepfather, especially in light of the fact that he is prohibited from being in there.

[hoglover]

Article from KARK's site:
http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/?cid=57646

This info seems to be different than what we've seen, so I'm getting confused.


There is a lot of contradiction here. I am glad there are at least a few people from the court room posting. We know the truth, huh?

Amazing 37+ viewers on this forum and only very few posters. Are they :chicken: ? They should be.

[lorettalockhorn]

There is a lot of contradiction here. I am glad there are at least a few people from the court room posting. We know the truth, huh?

Amazing 37+ viewers on this forum and only very few posters. Are they :chicken: ? They should be.

I don't get it?

[hawgustusgloop]

I don't get it?

I guess it means we are scary?

BOO!

[hoglover]

Todays THV:
Friday, July 13, 2007

In court, the prosecution called several witnesses with the state crime lab to testify what was found at the murder scene.

According to one witness, the lab examined Nona Dirksmeyer's underwear and jeans. On them were several strands of animal and human hairs. The animal hairs belonged to her cat. The human hairs were later identified as her own.

Also, according to testimony, the blood found on the stove and on the lamp and lamp pole-objects believed to be used in the murder-are a DNA match to Dirksmeyer.

Prosecutors showed jurors graphic photos of Dirksmeyer when she died.

Arkansas Chief Medical Examiner, Charles Kokus, performed the autopsy and concluded that she died from several blows to the head, neck and other parts of her body.

During cross-examinations, the defense wanted to show that their client, Kevin Jones and his DNA, is excluded from much of the evidence and therefore shouldn't be linked to the crime.

The defense, due to time constraints called their own DNA expert, who testified that vaginal secretions showed evidence of Jones' DNA. According to that expert, it coincides with the time the two had sex two days before her death.

According to evidence, Dirksmeyer was in a defensive position when she died while the killer tried to strangle and stab her.

The prosecution introduced phone records to help establish a timeline of Nona's death, while the defense questioned some of the state crime lab's work.

During testimony, Pope County Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons, introduced Nona's phone records the day she died. It showed a total of 49 messages, with some of them being text messages. With the help of the crime lab, the state accessed some of her text messages.

While on the stand, the defense cross-examined one digital cell phone expert as to why the victim's outbox was never retrieved.

After Nona's death, her stepfather, Duane Dipert retrieved her cell phone from Russellville Police Department.

During that time, Nona's cell phone was deleted of all activity. the stepfather is expected to testify, answering questions as to why the phone was cleared. He's said in the past, it's because they wanted to consolidate their phone bill.

Testimony continues Monday.


I found this on another board. Some of this seems interesting to me. I think more accurate than some posted.


By the way Loretta, what is it you don't get? I made a comment about the stated news report and then made a comment about how many viewers the forum seems to have. I think people have to be brave to post..

[christina]

http://lynchlarge.blogspot.com/2007/07/dirksmeyer-developments.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Unmolested? Hmm... I'm not sure how to respond to that.... hehe I'm still reeling over your comment about thinking my posts are interesting, loretta.

I see now, loretta. Just so hoglover knows, I wasn't really taking that comment personal, I was making a general statement that we are all biased in our opinions, I did, though, misunderstand what loretta was saying. I am blonde you know. And just for the record, I don't PMS, I experienced menopause at age 17.

Do I take this case seriously? Yes, hoglover, I do. Am I passionate about it? Yes, I am over all passionate about every thing I think and feel. Do I offend on here? Yes, not neccessarily intentional, but we all do it. Do I have any personal ties to Kevin Jones? No, none what so ever. I happen to think that just as serious as the murder that occurred, I thouroughly believe a young man who is innocent has been charged and could possibly be sent to jail. If that occurred it would be a tragedy as well.

We ALL have our opinions here, and we all defend them. We argue like family, but in the end, I think we still respect each other for the most part. I know FD cares deeply about the outcome of this because of personal ties. I know hawgustus and loretta care deeply, they have all three been here consistently for too long not to. I care, too. When several strong minded people are passionate about the same issue but with opposing opinions, it's bound to get pretty heated at times, and we are going to make our opinions known to each other. This a serious issue, and being a newcomer doesn't give you the right to come on here and interfere with that. I am not always the most understood person here, but if you don't understand my posts, then ask me to clarify and I will do my best to do so? Have you not ever felt passionate about anything or do you always approach everything with that less than serious attitude?

I'm blonde too. :seeya: And heck, yeah. I think that your posts are interesting!

PS Unmolested as in undisturbed, or without interference.

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess it means we are scary?

BOO!

Boo hoo. Pass me a Kleenex will ya?

[hoglover]

Unmolested? Hmm... I'm not sure how to respond to that.... hehe I'm still reeling over your comment about thinking my posts are interesting, loretta.

I see now, loretta. Just so hoglover knows, I wasn't really taking that comment personal, I was making a general statement that we are all biased in our opinions, I did, though, misunderstand what loretta was saying. I am blonde you know. And just for the record, I don't PMS, I experienced menopause at age 17.

Do I take this case seriously? Yes, hoglover, I do. Am I passionate about it? Yes, I am over all passionate about every thing I think and feel. Do I offend on here? Yes, not neccessarily intentional, but we all do it. Do I have any personal ties to Kevin Jones? No, none what so ever. I happen to think that just as serious as the murder that occurred, I thouroughly believe a young man who is innocent has been charged and could possibly be sent to jail. If that occurred it would be a tragedy as well.

We ALL have our opinions here, and we all defend them. We argue like family, but in the end, I think we still respect each other for the most part. I know FD cares deeply about the outcome of this because of personal ties. I know hawgustus and loretta care deeply, they have all three been here consistently for too long not to. I care, too. When several strong minded people are passionate about the same issue but with opposing opinions, it's bound to get pretty heated at times, and we are going to make our opinions known to each other. This a serious issue, and being a newcomer doesn't give you the right to come on here and interfere with that. I am not always the most understood person here, but if you don't understand my posts, then ask me to clarify and I will do my best to do so? Have you not ever felt passionate about anything or do you always approach everything with that less than serious attitude?

I am a very passionate person. I don't think I have interfered with anything, just stated an opinion like the rest. Free world! I am very serious about what I put here. Just as you said, when several strong minded people are passionate about the same thing they have very opposiing opinions, right? Does it bother you when someone new comes here and gives an opinion of how they feel? FD seems to be the only one who welcomes newcomers. Everyone adds to the discussion in their own way. I have seen many an argument on here, does that mean you don't respect my opinion because I am new. I have no personal ties, but I do have a daughter, and it would hurt me to my soul to see anything happen to her. This all just makes me sick to see a young girl's life taken this way. I have said before, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I do have my own personal convictions and want to share as well. I think your passion has made this board a little more interesting.

At first I would say I thought KJ was guilty, but now I am not so sure. I am waiting until the end to pass judgement though.
IMO!

[christina]

Todays THV:
Friday, July 13, 2007

In court, the prosecution called several witnesses with the state crime lab to testify what was found at the murder scene.

According to one witness, the lab examined Nona Dirksmeyer's underwear and jeans. On them were several strands of animal and human hairs. The animal hairs belonged to her cat. The human hairs were later identified as her own.

Also, according to testimony, the blood found on the stove and on the lamp and lamp pole-objects believed to be used in the murder-are a DNA match to Dirksmeyer.

Prosecutors showed jurors graphic photos of Dirksmeyer when she died.

Arkansas Chief Medical Examiner, Charles Kokus, performed the autopsy and concluded that she died from several blows to the head, neck and other parts of her body.

During cross-examinations, the defense wanted to show that their client, Kevin Jones and his DNA, is excluded from much of the evidence and therefore shouldn't be linked to the crime.

The defense, due to time constraints called their own DNA expert, who testified that vaginal secretions showed evidence of Jones' DNA. According to that expert, it coincides with the time the two had sex two days before her death.

According to evidence, Dirksmeyer was in a defensive position when she died while the killer tried to strangle and stab her.
The prosecution introduced phone records to help establish a timeline of Nona's death, while the defense questioned some of the state crime lab's work.

During testimony, Pope County Prosecuting Attorney David Gibbons, introduced Nona's phone records the day she died. It showed a total of 49 messages, with some of them being text messages. With the help of the crime lab, the state accessed some of her text messages.

While on the stand, the defense cross-examined one digital cell phone expert as to why the victim's outbox was never retrieved.

After Nona's death, her stepfather, Duane Dipert retrieved her cell phone from Russellville Police Department.

During that time, Nona's cell phone was deleted of all activity. the stepfather is expected to testify, answering questions as to why the phone was cleared. He's said in the past, it's because they wanted to consolidate their phone bill.

Testimony continues Monday.




Ok, so I got ready for bed and am still here. This is another example IMO(see Hawg and Lorretta-I am learning) of bad reporting. Some of it is poor phrasing but some is just misleading and wrong. I have bolded the parts I am talking about-the posecutor showed the jurors(audience could not see) pictures of the autopsy,
-the ME was clear that she died from the blow to the back/base of the skull,
-the defense showed via their dna expert(testified their are only 50 people in the US with this particular specialty)that the dna on the condom wrapper and torn fingernail by the body was not Jones,
-ME testified Nona was probably standing when intitally hit on the head and cut/stabbed then was on the ground when hit with the base of the lamp.

[christina]

I'm blonde too. :seeya: And heck, yeah. I think that your posts are interesting!

PS Unmolested as in undisturbed, or without interference.

How many blondes can this blog support?!?!?

[christina]

Maybe I am wrong, probably am, but did I see Lyncho at the trial today? Maybe someone who looked kind of like him. While the trial was going on, some big guy got up from the reporter's sections and left during the testimony of the Florida DNA expert.

You are kidding me. I am going to have to hunt up a picture and see what he looks like!

[hoglover]

Ok, so I got ready for bed and am still here. This is another example IMO(see Hawg and Lorretta-I am learning) of bad reporting. Some of it is poor phrasing but some is just misleading and wrong. I have bolded the parts I am talking about-the posecutor showed the jurors(audience could not see) pictures of the autopsy,
-the ME was clear that she died from the blow to the back/base of the skull,
-the defense showed via their dna expert(testified their are only 50 people in the US with this particular specialty)that the dna on the condom wrapper and torn fingernail by the body was not Jones,
-ME testified Nona was probably standing when intitally hit on the head and cut/stabbed then was on the ground when hit with the base of the lamp.


Thanks for the clarification. I think we've determined most of the media reports have had a few inconsistencies. IMO!

[christina]

Thanks for the clarification. I think we've determined most of the media reports have had a few inconsistencies. IMO!

I think my new mantra is going to be IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok, so I got ready for bed and am still here. This is another example IMO(see Hawg and Lorretta-I am learning) of bad reporting. Some of it is poor phrasing but some is just misleading and wrong. I have bolded the parts I am talking about-the posecutor showed the jurors(audience could not see) pictures of the autopsy,
-the ME was clear that she died from the blow to the back/base of the skull,
-the defense showed via their dna expert(testified their are only 50 people in the US with this particular specialty)that the dna on the condom wrapper and torn fingernail by the body was not Jones,
-ME testified Nona was probably standing when intitally hit on the head and cut/stabbed then was on the ground when hit with the base of the lamp.

I think that your posts are getting better as I learn/understand your style. Yes, that article had definite problems. For instance, the statement about photos of Nona when she died. Ludicrous that photos were taken when she died. The reporter isn't familiar with the phrase post mortem or what? And I guess that I've been reading The Courier so long that I automatically correct its poorly constructed sentences and paragraphs, appalling spelling and lackadaisical to non-existant editing as I read.

[lorettalockhorn]

You are kidding me. I am going to have to hunt up a picture and see what he looks like!

I think there's a little picture (although he is a big man) on his blogspot. I don't normally read him, but his posts about the case have been good. I don't know if he posts a lot about crime and wondered if his interest in the case is political, what with Bristow being a key player in the trial and all.

[hoglover]

Pardon me. Haven't gathered most of this from your posts.

I have nothing at all against newcomers. We all have to be new for a little while. Yes, we have had many an argument, but this is an important time, and we need to try to behave and take every thing we can. As for not having formed your opinion, that's great, maybe you are a better human than me. As for children, I agree with what you say. That's how you should feel. The Jones' are at risk for losing their child as well. I feel very sad for both mom's. And, dad's too, but for some reason, more so for the moms, I guess because I am female. I don't know how Carol feels toward KJ now, but I would think there has to be some doubt there and questions. This was supposed to help provide some closure but I don't think it will. I think all that has been gained is a great deal of pain for both families, and that saddens me. No matter what, when this is all said and done, someone is going to walk away very hurt. I honestly feel KJ will be acquitted if he is, will Nona's family ever get to have any closure? I just don't think the evidence is there to convict anyone else. I hope and pray they will try.... But? As for respecting your opinion. You are like everyone else. You will have to earn that from me. Respect and trust are something I value, but don't give away easy. I can say the veterans like loretta, FD, hagustusgloop, christina, JR2007 have my utmost respect, even though I drive them crazy. Everyone here is entitled to their own opinion, and we definitely have them. LOL


I am sorry if my passion doesn't come through on every post, but most of my post have been to ask about the preceedings and what the witnesses have said. I may have asked questions to get answers, I don't try to over due it, but I do tend to get carried away. Even though I am not sure, I certainly think your right about them not finding him guilty. (MO of course) Every bit of evidence I thought was there, has vanished. The prosecution will have to pull something pretty fancy next week to pull a conviction now.

Thanks for the response. I am sure you will remember we are only human here.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am a very passionate person. I don't think I have interfered with anything, just stated an opinion like the rest. Free world!

If you are referring to what you directed at me, I gotta tell you; when someone criticizes my posting style and throws in a remark like you did with your PMSing comment, I consider it aspersion/defamation. And it doesn't go a long way toward winning my respect.

As for you're feeling that you got a not-so-welcome welcome, I've posted links for you and directed you toward finding where the information re: the trial's beginning is. If that isn't welcoming enough, then I don't know what else to do. But it's not going to keep me awake at night.

If you're not being overtly snubbed or bashed, I wouldn't worry about it.

[hoglover]

If you are referring to what you directed at me, I gotta tell you; when someone criticizes my posting style and throws in a remark like you did with your PMSing comment, I consider it aspersion/defamation. And it doesn't go a long way toward winning my respect.

As for you're feeling that you got a not-so-welcome welcome, I've posted links for you and directed you toward finding where the information re: the trial's beginning is. If that isn't welcoming enough, then I don't know what else to do. But it's not going to keep me awake at night.

If you're not being overtly snubbed or bashed, I wouldn't worry about it.

I never sayed anything about you at all. I don't know what you are talking about. I wasn't directing that at you at all. I don't understand what you are even talking about. When I placed your quote there it wasn't to direct any of the comments toward you. I have already told you this anyway, haven't I? Why are you bringing it up again?

[lorettalockhorn]

Possibly. I just read earlier that Bristow was a Democratic gubanatorial (sp?) candidate against Huckabee. I did not know that.

Yeah, and there was a big brouhaha over The Huck's book Kid's Who Kill. Bristow apparently felt that MH was taking advantage of the Jonesboro school shootings and wanted him to donate the proceeds of the book charity. Being a yellow dog Democrat, I thought he was A-OK. Gosh, that seems like a hundred years ago.

[lorettalockhorn]

I actually think the PMS comment was meant for me, but I am willing to forget about it.

As for welcoming you-- I wasn't even posting when you arrived. Most everyone always enthusiastically welcomes newcomers. But, we did have a big rash all at once. For so long, it's been just only a handful of us here bashing it out, with an occasional pop in and an occasional troll. But, if it makes you feel any better:

:seeya: Welcome to the board!


LMAO Your welcome sign scared me!

Anyway, she quoted me when she made the remark and then later came back and said whatever. I just think that people should own their behavior.

Sorta OT: Once when My Little Love was in 3rd grade, I caught him doing something bad or off limits or what have you. He told me "I did it, I was wrong. Just don't explain to me why I did it." LMAO

[hoglover]

LMAO Your welcome sign scared me!

Anyway, she quoted me when she made the remark and then later came back and said whatever. I just think that people should own their behavior.

Sorta OT: Once when My Little Love was in 3rd grade, I caught him doing something bad or off limits or what have you. He told me "I did it, I was wrong. Just don't explain to me why I did it." LMAO


Okay, this is the last thing I am going to say on this! The only derogatory comment I made was directed at susieQ. She knows it, and has since seen humor in it. I guess! I will own up to whatever I have said to whomever I have said it about. It wasn't you Loretta! I will stand behind what I say. I guess I just don't understand some people maybe more passionate about things than I am. So please, get over it already. I am tired, and this is way off of the main topic. Can we please just stay on the subject at hand? It was so nice getting to know all of you.




THANKS FOR THE WELCOME!! I AM SO GLAD TO BE HERE!!:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

I never sayed anything about you at all. I don't know what you are talking about. I wasn't directing that at you at all. I don't understand what you are even talking about. When I placed your quote there it wasn't to direct any of the comments toward you. I have already told you this anyway, haven't I? Why are you bringing it up again?


Hint: If you don't want me to think that you are directing a comment toward me, don't quote me. If you make a mistake in quoting someone, just say so. It'll go a long way to clearing up a misunderstanding. Your comment was denigrating and offensive to others as well.

[hoglover]

Hint: If you don't want me to think that you are directing a comment toward me, don't quote me. If you make a mistake in quoting someone, just say so. It'll go a long way to clearing up a misunderstanding. Your comment was denigrating and offensive to others as well.

I told you before I didn't mean to quote you. I thought you replied no harm, no foul, didn't you? I told the other person I offended I apoligize. She said peace! I don't think susieQ cared one way or the other. She reminds me of my aunt, she speaks her mind and if you don't like it then, OH WELL! I need to take lessons from her. I don't say OH WELL if someone doesn't like it. So once again I am saying, I didn't mean to offend you!

[hoglover]

Must be as it WAS tested for fingerprints and later tested for DNA!


Someone posted earlier that the defense had it tested for DNA. The State Crime Lab tested it for fingerprints only. I would have to go back to see exactly who said this.

[hoglover]

From the Courier:

When asked why he didn’t submit the condom wrapper for DNA testing, Frost said he called the State Crime Lab and was told he could either test for fingerprints or DNA, but not both. Frost said he opted to test for fingerprints.




Then if this is so, why do we keep hearing about a male's dna on it? Didn't they only test for prints because that is what he told them to test for? How then is there still the dna of a male on it? Enlighten me please!!


This is my post!

[hoglover]

Hog, the DNA testing that confirmed the sample didn't match Kevin's was done by the defense. Don't know why they were able to perform the test, yet the State crime lab wasn't.

This was the reply! Sorry, I didn't try to figure out how to put both quotes on the same post. I am getting very sleepy!

[sololobo]

Good morning, everyone:) It's been an interesting and hectic week. So far, I have seen nothing that would convict Jones. Barring a "Perry Mason" moment Monday, the prosecution might as well call in the dogs and go home.

More than anything, this trial has tried and convicted the Russellville Police Department. Many shortcomings of our police department have been made evident this week. We are a small community and our PD is not equipped to handle a complicated murder investigation. I am not going to criticize Det. Frost. This is a small community lacking the resources or experience to conduct a thorough murder investigation. We, as citizens of Russellville, are as much to fault as they. Our PD is but a reflection of our commitment for trained and well-equipped law enforcement.

This was Frost's first murder investigation and he was treading unfamiliar waters. Our entire PD was. I am thankful we live in a community where police investigators are not experienced in murder cases. And I hope Det. Frost or the RPD never have to investigate another murder case. But if they do, I assure you it will be done differently. Unfortunately, the Dirksmeyer case was a learning experience for them but the next case will reflect all they learned from it.

We have a new Police Chief, Tom McMillan. He is a veteran of the RPD and I know he has learned from his predecessor’s mistakes. He is a capable administrator and knows the system here from top to bottom. He can and he will improve the RPD from a small town PD to one more inline with our potential population growth. Chief McMillan, I challenge you....the people of this community challenges you to transform, with our help and support, our small town PD into one we can be proud of, one consisting of well-payed professionals, not low-payed, entry-level rookies seeking better oppurtunities elswhere, one better equipped to deal with crimes normally associated with larger communities. We are rapidly becoming a larger community and must contend with more serious and more frequent crimes. Good luck in this endeavor, Chief McMillan. We know this will require a Herculean effort on your part but we trust that you, above all others, can do it.

[FDInLaw]

Good morning all!

Special thanks to christina for posting her observations from yesterday. Being impartial is difficult for us all, but I sense that you really try and I really appreciate that! Smooch! :)

When I first got on this morning I was excited to see several new pages. . . after reading the mess I've got to say that I am a tad disappointed. We have new details coming out everyday, but most of the discussion focused on "were you talking about me?" :punch: Come on guys! Let's pull ourselves together! I realize I'm no saint either, I make my share of snarky comments, but as the token brunette I feel obligated to say something. :D

Seriously though, we have a ton of stuff to discuss. . .

[christina]

Ok, I know that he said both of those DNA's did not match Jones'. But, I am curious, did they say and I missed it, if the DNA of the condom wrapper and the fingernail matched EACH OTHER? That would be interesting to know, IMO.

The defense witness showed a graph/report of each allele(sp?) of Jones and the two samples(wrapper and fingernail). Jones did not match either. But the samples did not match each other.
The items not tested that have me curious were the two cups and straws and popcorn bag Frost photographed in the trash.

[christina]

This guy was sitting over in the reporter section and got up and went out shortly after I got there. When he came back he sat in the middle. But he got up and went out and came back frequently. When he was in the courtroom, he looked like he was daydreaming. He wasn't taking any notes or anything. Guess it was Friday after noon and his mind had already left for the weekend?

I notice the reporters, especially the tv news reporters, aren't staying all day anymore. I wonder what's up with that. I saw the channel 7 crew leaving when I came in. I noticed the channel 4 reporter wasn't there at that time either unless it was a different one. I saw a channel 11 van there when I came in, and this is the first time I have know them to even be there.

You keep giving me more and more info to help figure out who you are?!?! And knowing you are blond doesn't help, the room is full of them!?

[christina]

"I don't know how Carol feels toward KJ now, but I would think there has to be some doubt there and questions. This was supposed to help provide some closure but I don't think it will. I think all that has been gained is a great deal of pain for both families, and that saddens me. No matter what, when this is all said and done, someone is going to walk away very hurt. I honestly feel KJ will be acquitted if he is, will Nona's family ever get to have any closure? I just don't think the evidence is there to convict anyone else. I hope and pray they will try.."

Well said Ms Q. We know that although her family is in pain without her, Nona is in God's arms and feeling no more pain.

[christina]

Yeah, and there was a big brouhaha over The Huck's book Kid's Who Kill. Bristow apparently felt that MH was taking advantage of the Jonesboro school shootings and wanted him to donate the proceeds of the book charity. Being a yellow dog Democrat, I thought he was A-OK. Gosh, that seems like a hundred years ago.

Holy Political Twist Batman! This is THE Bill Bristow? How have I missed that up to now!?

[christina]

LMAO Your welcome sign scared me!

Anyway, she quoted me when she made the remark and then later came back and said whatever. I just think that people should own their behavior.

Sorta OT: Once when My Little Love was in 3rd grade, I caught him doing something bad or off limits or what have you. He told me "I did it, I was wrong. Just don't explain to me why I did it." LMAO

The funniest kid story I have heard was a friend of mine who had two sons. They were outside, something was broken and when she brought them in to ask who did it both denied. She told them both to go sit in their rooms until they could be honest and return to her with an admission of guilt. While walking down the hall, one son turned and said, "Mom if you pray about it God will show you who did it." Now which son was probably innocent!?!?

[lorettalockhorn]

Good morning all!

Special thanks to christina for posting her observations from yesterday. Being impartial is difficult for us all, but I sense that you really try and I really appreciate that! Smooch! :)

When I first got on this morning I was excited to see several new pages. . . after reading the mess I've got to say that I am a tad disappointed. We have new details coming out everyday, but most of the discussion focused on "were you talking about me?" :punch: Come on guys! Let's pull ourselves together! I realize I'm no saint either, I make my share of snarky comments, but as the token brunette I feel obligated to say something. :D

Seriously though, we have a ton of stuff to discuss. . .

It is always disappointing when negative remarks are made. What is even more so, is that after the initial period of *crickets*, and then after the air is somewhat cleared, someone plays the "right to express my opinion" card. That simply doesn't apply to personal comments. I've seen a version of it on dozens of boards. Maybe there will be a gestalt moment in the light of day.

I haven't read today's papers yet. Do I want to?? :_| <<We need this smiley!

[lorettalockhorn]

The funniest kid story I have heard was a friend of mine who had two sons. They were outside, something was broken and when she brought them in to ask who did it both denied. She told them both to go sit in their rooms until they could be honest and return to her with an admission of guilt. While walking down the hall, one son turned and said, "Mom if you pray about it God will show you who did it." Now which son was probably innocent!?!?

I love it when kids are profound and naive at the same time. The point that I was trying to make was that My Little Love was willing to own his behavior and suffer the consequences as long as I didn't slip into amateur psychologist mode and explain why he had acted the way that he did. One of the comforting things about your kids getting older (while you stay the same age!), is that you don't have to be their consciences for them.

[christina]

Must be as it WAS tested for fingerprints and later tested for DNA!

It was explained that once you test something for fingerprints using the superglue method, it pretty much destroys the ability to test for dna. That is why Frost called the experts at the crime lab- for their opinion. He was told they probably would not be able to get dna so go ahead and fingerprint it.

[lorettalockhorn]

"I don't know how Carol feels toward KJ now, but I would think there has to be some doubt there and questions. This was supposed to help provide some closure but I don't think it will. I think all that has been gained is a great deal of pain for both families, and that saddens me. No matter what, when this is all said and done, someone is going to walk away very hurt. I honestly feel KJ will be acquitted if he is, will Nona's family ever get to have any closure? I just don't think the evidence is there to convict anyone else. I hope and pray they will try.."

Well said Ms Q. We know that although her family is in pain without her, Nona is in God's arms and feeling no more pain.

I have no clue as to how connected these two families were before Nona's death. But I've wondered how they could move on after the jury ruling, regardless of the outcome.

[christina]

Good morning, everyone:) It's been an interesting and hectic week. So far, I have seen nothing that would convict Jones. Barring a "Perry Mason" moment Monday, the prosecution might as well call in the dogs and go home.

More than anything, this trial has tried and convicted the Russellville Police Department. Many shortcomings of our police department have been made evident this week. We are a small community and our PD is not equipped to handle a complicated murder investigation. I am not going to criticize Det. Frost. This is a small community lacking the resources or experience to conduct a thorough murder investigation. We, as citizens of Russellville, are as much to fault as they. Our PD is but a reflection of our commitment for trained and well-equipped law enforcement.
This was Frost's first murder investigation and he was treading unfamiliar waters. Our entire PD was. I am thankful we live in a community where police investigators are not experienced in murder cases. And I hope Det. Frost or the RPD never have to investigate another murder case. But if they do, I assure you it will be done differently. Unfortunately, the Dirksmeyer case was a learning experience for them but the next case will reflect all they learned from it.

We have a new Police Chief, Tom McMillan. He is a veteran of the RPD and I know he has learned from his predecessor’s mistakes. He is a capable administrator and knows the system here from top to bottom. He can and he will improve the RPD from a small town PD to one more inline with our potential population growth. Chief McMillan, I challenge you....the people of this community challenges you to transform, with our help and support, our small town PD into one we can be proud of, one consisting of well-payed professionals, not low-payed, entry-level rookies seeking better oppurtunities elswhere, one better equipped to deal with crimes normally associated with larger communities. We are rapidly becoming a larger community and must contend with more serious and more frequent crimes. Good luck in this endeavor, Chief McMillan. We know this will require a Herculean effort on your part but we trust that you, above all others, can do it.

Well said!

[christina]

Good morning all!

Special thanks to christina for posting her observations from yesterday. Being impartial is difficult for us all, but I sense that you really try and I really appreciate that! Smooch! :)

When I first got on this morning I was excited to see several new pages. . . after reading the mess I've got to say that I am a tad disappointed. We have new details coming out everyday, but most of the discussion focused on "were you talking about me?" :punch: Come on guys! Let's pull ourselves together! I realize I'm no saint either, I make my share of snarky comments, but as the token brunette I feel obligated to say something. :D

Seriously though, we have a ton of stuff to discuss. . .

Well finally an admitted brunette to balance us out!

[christina]

hahaha We could be sitting right beside each other and not even know it. Isn't that weird? I do always look at faces and wonder though. ;)

Not to digress but what is interesting is the behind the scenes stuff that goes on in the courtroom/courthouse. So-for a tidbit of courtroom gossip-- have you noticed the attractive, tall blond reporter for channel 7(I think) going in and out of the room a lot?
Well coming out of the downstairs bathroom I saw a couple of the lawyers talking with the judge. I overheard "Is there anything you can do to keep her in her seat during the trial judge, she is distracting". Then they all laughed. Boys will be boys.

[lorettalockhorn]

Good morning, everyone:) It's been an interesting and hectic week. So far, I have seen nothing that would convict Jones. Barring a "Perry Mason" moment Monday, the prosecution might as well call in the dogs and go home.

More than anything, this trial has tried and convicted the Russellville Police Department. Many shortcomings of our police department have been made evident this week. We are a small community and our PD is not equipped to handle a complicated murder investigation. I am not going to criticize Det. Frost. This is a small community lacking the resources or experience to conduct a thorough murder investigation. We, as citizens of Russellville, are as much to fault as they. Our PD is but a reflection of our commitment for trained and well-equipped law enforcement.

This was Frost's first murder investigation and he was treading unfamiliar waters. Our entire PD was. I am thankful we live in a community where police investigators are not experienced in murder cases. And I hope Det. Frost or the RPD never have to investigate another murder case. But if they do, I assure you it will be done differently. Unfortunately, the Dirksmeyer case was a learning experience for them but the next case will reflect all they learned from it.

We have a new Police Chief, Tom McMillan. He is a veteran of the RPD and I know he has learned from his predecessor’s mistakes. He is a capable administrator and knows the system here from top to bottom. He can and he will improve the RPD from a small town PD to one more inline with our potential population growth. Chief McMillan, I challenge you....the people of this community challenges you to transform, with our help and support, our small town PD into one we can be proud of, one consisting of well-payed professionals, not low-payed, entry-level rookies seeking better oppurtunities elswhere, one better equipped to deal with crimes normally associated with larger communities. We are rapidly becoming a larger community and must contend with more serious and more frequent crimes. Good luck in this endeavor, Chief McMillan. We know this will require a Herculean effort on your part but we trust that you, above all others, can do it.

I'm still waiting for an alibi to materialize. I had hoped that the AT&T representative would testify as to what times actual phone calls had been made on KJ's phone. What we still don't know is, if he made calls during the critical timeframe. What we do know, is that if the killer was smart enough to remove the battery from Nona's phone, he probably also knew not to make calls while he was in the area of the R'ville cell towers.

Boy, I hope that Tom McMillen can make some changes in the department. The mistakes that were made here were basic blunders. And I think that most of RPD's officers are college educated as well as having been through the training academy. Also, I would think that the testing procedures for the detective rank are pretty well standardized. Does this mean that all detectives are oblivious to forensics testing and preservation of evidence? I wonder if the general public is as frustrated with RPD as we are?

[christina]

I do remember that being said. Guess it just amazes me that the defense expert was able to find some DNA. Maybe Frost needed hotwired around to let him know fingerprints on a condom wrapper would be hard to detect. Wonder why he wasn't told that. We all know there are some surfaces that won't pick up finger prints. Surely he must have learned that somewhere in all that training he had? :shrug:

The defense expert said 95% of the work he does is for law enforcement because they are so backlogged. Maybe one of us here could get trained and open a private lab to help out Arkansas Crime Lab.

[lorettalockhorn]

While it is true this wasn't an everyday occurrence for RPD, some mistakes were bound to be made. What I find so disappointing and disheartening is that James Bacon estimated he had worked 70 to 80 homicides in 22 years of experience. Where was his direction and leadership at this critical time? I understand that he probably would have wanted to see what the investigators would do on their own, etc but why not point them in the right direction when the critical things weren't getting done? I just don't understand that. He said he met with all the investigators every day during the initial critical period......

Oh. My. Gosh.

[christina]

I'm still waiting for an alibi to materialize. I had hoped that the AT&T representative would testify as to what times actual phone calls had been made on KJ's phone. What we still don't know is, if he made calls during the critical timeframe. What we do know, is that if the killer was smart enough to remove the battery from Nona's phone, he probably also knew not to make calls while he was in the area of the R'ville cell towers.

Boy, I hope that Tom McMillen can make some changes in the department. The mistakes that were made here were basic blunders. And I think that most of RPD's officers are college educated as well as having been through the training academy. Also, I would think that the testing procedures for the detective rank are pretty well standardized. Does this mean that all detectives are oblivious to forensics testing and preservation of evidence? I wonder if the general public is as frustrated with RPD as we are?

I don't think he needs an alibi now since no substantial evidence against him has been presented. Its almost the opposite. If it can be proved he has no one to verify his whereabouts for 1 hour, then the prosecution needs to tell me why he did, there is no motive shown at all. Quite the opposite acutally.

[hudnala]

Good morning, everyone:) It's been an interesting and hectic week. So far, I have seen nothing that would convict Jones. Barring a "Perry Mason" moment Monday, the prosecution might as well call in the dogs and go home.

More than anything, this trial has tried and convicted the Russellville Police Department. Many shortcomings of our police department have been made evident this week. We are a small community and our PD is not equipped to handle a complicated murder investigation. I am not going to criticize Det. Frost. This is a small community lacking the resources or experience to conduct a thorough murder investigation. We, as citizens of Russellville, are as much to fault as they. Our PD is but a reflection of our commitment for trained and well-equipped law enforcement.

This was Frost's first murder investigation and he was treading unfamiliar waters. Our entire PD was. I am thankful we live in a community where police investigators are not experienced in murder cases. And I hope Det. Frost or the RPD never have to investigate another murder case. But if they do, I assure you it will be done differently. Unfortunately, the Dirksmeyer case was a learning experience for them but the next case will reflect all they learned from it.

We have a new Police Chief, Tom McMillan. He is a veteran of the RPD and I know he has learned from his predecessor’s mistakes. He is a capable administrator and knows the system here from top to bottom. He can and he will improve the RPD from a small town PD to one more inline with our potential population growth. Chief McMillan, I challenge you....the people of this community challenges you to transform, with our help and support, our small town PD into one we can be proud of, one consisting of well-payed professionals, not low-payed, entry-level rookies seeking better oppurtunities elswhere, one better equipped to deal with crimes normally associated with larger communities. We are rapidly becoming a larger community and must contend with more serious and more frequent crimes. Good luck in this endeavor, Chief McMillan. We know this will require a Herculean effort on your part but we trust that you, above all others, can do it.


I am thankful we live in a city where the police department does not have expierence on murder investigations also. When the police realized they were in over their head, they should have called in back up , from where I do not know, but somewhere.

I feel so bad for Nona's family, if/when KJ is not convicted, no one will be because of the poor investigation. Evidence gone forever. I truly believe that Bacon knew what was going to happen with this trial and he got the heck out of dodge, because the whole investigation was messed up on his watch!

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think he needs an alibi now since no substantial evidence against him has been presented. Its almost the opposite. If it can be proved he has no one to verify his whereabouts for 1 hour, then the prosecution needs to tell me why he did, there is no motive shown at all. Quite the opposite acutally.


I think he needs an alibi in part because of his knowledge of the crime and his descriptions of the scene during interrogation and his bizarre behavior. Of course, the jury may think that his behavior was perfectly normal. And if it was possible for him to leave the print on the bulb during the discovery of Nona, I still question what in the world he was flailing around for during his resuscitation attempt. The entire situation with the three of them in the dark makes no sense to me.

I've made the drive back and forth myself, traveling two different routes, it is possible to do in one hour or so. Do we know that he only had one hour exactly? And I hate to keep harping on this, but if KJ had an alibi all along, why weren't the charges dismissed so that LE could continue their investigation before it was too late?

[lorettalockhorn]

I am thankful we live in a city where the police department does not have expierence on murder investigations also. When the police realized they were in over their head, they should have called in back up , from where I do not know, but somewhere.

I feel so bad for Nona's family, if/when KJ is not convicted, no one will be because of the poor investigation. Evidence gone forever. I truly believe that Bacon knew what was going to happen with this trial and he got the heck out of dodge, because the whole investigation was messed up on his watch!

What is frightening, is that RPD did consult with ASP, PCSD and the FBI. Yet, we are left feeling appalled at the investigation.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haven't finished reading today's Courier yet, but I was curious if there was testimony regarding the effect of the low temperature (in Nona's apartment) with regard to calculating the time of death? And I wondered if Krout (the coroner) testified as to how he determined her body temperature? (Rectal thermometer or abdominal stab?)

[FDInLaw]

My brain is practically mush these days, and I'm wondering if anyone has written out Kevin's alibi sequentially using all the info we've learned this week?

[lorettalockhorn]

My brain is practically mush these days, and I'm wondering if anyone has written out Kevin's alibi sequentially using all the info we've learned this week?

Well, I've got notes. Basically, we have Al Frazier testifying that he left the Jones place somewhere around 10:20. From what I read in The Courier, KJ was there when Frazier arrived, but I haven't read anything about whether or not KJ was still there when he left.

Then we have Kevin at lunch, but I don't have a time on that. Later, we have him arriving at work around 1:45.

According to today's Courier, time of death is between 10:30 and 1:00. I believe phone calls place KJ in the Dover area after 12:00, but I don't think that the AT&T rep had a list of calls that he actually made.

(Does that make sense at all?)

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, I've got notes. Basically, we have Al Frazier testifying that he left the Jones place somewhere around 10:20. From what I read in The Courier, KJ was there when Frazier arrived, but I haven't read anything about whether or not KJ was still there when he left.

Then we have Kevin at lunch, but I don't have a time on that. Later, we have him arriving at work around 1:45.

According to today's Courier, time of death is between 10:30 and 1:00. I believe phone calls place KJ in the Dover area after 12:00, but I don't think that the AT&T rep had a list of calls that he actually made.

(Does that make sense at all?)

The time that Kevin arrived at work according to Walters should be 2:45 (my handwriting is mush!) Huggins testified that KJ called him at around 12:05, arrived at the cafe shortly after and stayed about an hour.

[christina]

I think he needs an alibi in part because of his knowledge of the crime and his descriptions of the scene during interrogation and his bizarre behavior. Of course, the jury may think that his behavior was perfectly normal. And if it was possible for him to leave the print on the bulb during the discovery of Nona, I still question what in the world he was flailing around for during his resuscitation attempt. The entire situation with the three of them in the dark makes no sense to me.

I've made the drive back and forth myself, traveling two different routes, it is possible to do in one hour or so. Do we know that he only had one hour exactly? And I hate to keep harping on this, but if KJ had an alibi all along, why weren't the charges dismissed so that LE could continue their investigation before it was too late?

I understand why you have these thoughts/opinions. All I can say is I listened in court to the entire 911 call, watched Jones voluntary interview the night of the murder, and have seen the pictures shown and heard the witnesses testimony. Some of the comments/reasons in the PCS are taken out of context.

[christina]

Haven't finished reading today's Courier yet, but I was curious if there was testimony regarding the effect of the low temperature (in Nona's apartment) with regard to calculating the time of death? And I wondered if Krout (the coroner) testified as to how he determined her body temperature? (Rectal thermometer or abdominal stab?)

Krout did not testify he checked the temp. He just said he pronounced her dead almost immediately after he arrived. Neither Krout, nor the ME said the temp in the apartment was part of their setting the time of death. Krout did say he was present for the autopsy.

[christina]

My brain is practically mush these days, and I'm wondering if anyone has written out Kevin's alibi sequentially using all the info we've learned this week?

Oh gosh, I will try to go back over my notes and see if I can do that. In between all the catch up I have to do from being gone all week!?!?!?

[christina]

I am thankful we live in a city where the police department does not have expierence on murder investigations also. When the police realized they were in over their head, they should have called in back up , from where I do not know, but somewhere.

I feel so bad for Nona's family, if/when KJ is not convicted, no one will be because of the poor investigation. Evidence gone forever. I truly believe that Bacon knew what was going to happen with this trial and he got the heck out of dodge, because the whole investigation was messed up on his watch!

I agree with those points.

[lorettalockhorn]

I understand why you have these thoughts/opinions. All I can say is I listened in court to the entire 911 call, watched Jones voluntary interview the night of the murder, and have seen the pictures shown and heard the witnesses testimony. Some of the comments/reasons in the PCS are taken out of context.

I haven't been in the courtroom, but I still have my opinions based on what I have read. A big part of the problem that I have with KJ's statements is that he said that he found Nona face up with her hands folded across her abdomen, I think that statement was something along the lines that she was lying there "perfectly". The ME testified (according to the Courier) that she died and remained face down with her arms crossed over her chest. The whole situation with the discovery of Nona's body strikes me as odd. Minimally.

[christina]

I think it was Jonikay that mentioned the green sweater being found. I never heard that and have listened closely because that is one of my questions. I am wondering if the prosecutor had the classmate describe what she was wearing to prove he really saw her in class that morning so timeline/time of death could be determined.
But so far no one has mentioned finding it. The pictures show her apartment as pretty messy, clothes piled everywhere. In the interview Jones said that Nona kept all her clean and dirty clothes downstairs because that is where the washer/dryer is located. He said it was common for her to dress and undress downstairs. I saw her mother nod her head affirmative at that point.

[JR2007]

I haven't caught up with the post yet, but I don't think I missed anything, but more bickering. I haven't had time to read all the Courier papers either, but what I did read doesn't sound like everyone went to the same trial. First off I don't believe for one moment, and I doubt the jury will either, Grandma's and Huggins stories and alibis for KJ.
It's my opinion now more then ever that kj murdered Nona, and is probably going to get away with it. Yes I know a few things that for the life of me I can't understand why they haven't come out in court. He did it and spent time rearranging the room and doing things to throw off LE. Granted that sounds like at this point it may have been easy to throw them off (LE).
Anyone who finds a body that has been dead for as long as Nona at the time of discovery would not have any question about whether she was dead or not. Considerable effort would have been needed to turn her stiff body over. first clue she was dead. Being discolored and cold. Second clue.
Getting on and off the body at the appropriate times for effect was all show. Hitting the wall when the policeman arrived was an attempt to cover up any bruising or evidence on the hands from him beating the **** out of her.
If he gets off the only consolation is that he will have to live with the fact that one he killed a very beautiful person and secondly he bankrupted his family by not being able to own up to his acts.

[christina]

I haven't been in the courtroom, but I still have my opinions based on what I have read. A big part of the problem that I have with KJ's statements is that he said that he found Nona face up with her hands folded across her abdomen, I think that statement was something along the lines that she was lying there "perfectly". The ME testified (according to the Courier) that she died and remained face down with her arms crossed over her chest. The whole situation with the discovery of Nona's body strikes me as odd. Minimally.

I do not want to imply I do not think you have a right to an opinion. I suspect it would help you in forming your opinion to have seen these things, like the jury is. The testimony so far has been that Whiteside says she was face down and Jones turned her over when he ran in. Jones is asked several times during the voluntary interview the night of the murder what position her body was in. He says different things at different times. That might sound odd but you can tell from watching the video he is trying to be helpful to the officers. It appears like he is trying to think and rethink hard to make sure he is getting it right.
This is an example of things taken out of context and put in the PCS.

[JR2007]

To continue. The prosecutions job is to prove that he is guilty if he did it. The defense doesn't have to prove he didn't do it but they have done an excellent job at confusing the jury by making statements that have no factual value. The Jury is trying their best to get their minds around this whole thing and the defense is trying their best to confuse the Jury. I don't intend to get into any arguments with anyone on this, just stating some things that have bothered me about this whole mess.

[lorettalockhorn]

I do not want to imply I do not think you have a right to an opinion. I suspect it would help you in forming your opinion to have seen these things, like the jury is. The testimony so far has been that Whiteside says she was face down and Jones turned her over when he ran in. Jones is asked several times during the voluntary interview the night of the murder what position her body was in. He says different things at different times. That might sound odd but you can tell from watching the video he is trying to be helpful to the officers. It appears like he is trying to think and rethink hard to make sure he is getting it right.
This is an example of things taken out of context and put in the PCS.

I wasn't referring to the PCS. I was referring to the ME's testimony and snippets of what I've read about his interrogation. Yes, it is noted that he was compliant. But how could he not possibly remember how he found Nona's body? That is ludicrous.

And even if grandmother puts him with her; I'm going to have a hard time with her testimony because his alibi was not sufficient to sway the motion to dismiss. Of course, there is the possibility that she gave a statement immediately after the murder to LE and that would help convince me that her version of the timeline isn't concocted.