Nona Dirksmeyer, 2005 Miss Arkansas pageant contestant found dead in her apartment

[lorettalockhorn]

well, it just came to my mind that maybe they were frantic and were reaching for any paper or something. I just heard Janice screaming so loud at them to find the address and the boys were loud too, so I figured KJ could have messed with the card. keep in mind that this greeting card fiasco wasn't mentioned during the testimony.


Okay, gotcha. I still can't believe that none of those three could have told dispatch that they were at the corner of Inglewood and 12th.

[hawgustusgloop]

I'm still here reading for now, susieQ. I can't make it to the trial, so I am just enjoying the discussion between the people who were there. It is interesting how people can watch the same thing and come away with such different opinions of what happened. Thank you all for your input.

[jonikay]

Yeah, when we really started to talk about what was said and what wasn't, instead of ranting about whether or not we think kj did it. Shorty pros was cute. My mom reminded me that he used to work-out at the same place we did. Talk about "up close and personal." haha. I kid. The testimonies today just wore me OUT. They did. IMO, neither side has shown anything yet. Nothing worth writing home about, anyway. The other relationships were interesting. I still have utmost respect for Nona, as no one deserves to be murdered, not even close . . . but my opinion on her true love for KJ and her idea of a healthy relationship was warped, imo. I wonder how many jurors think the same way you or I do. What a knockdown dragout. I'd pay to watch.

[jonikay]

Who's Going Tomorrow???

[lorettalockhorn]

I imagine we will find some of this stuff out when the defense puts the neighbor on.
The prosecution was using York's testimony for time placement of when the battery was removed from the phone- thus nailing TOD. He texted her at 11:04 and says "call me", no response. He texted again at 12:58(?) to say "nevermind". The prosecution said this was the last message/call to the phone that "went thru", all others went straight to voicemail meaning the battery ahd been removed.


Trying to catch up on any posts that I may have missed!

I'm not sure that I would agree that York's phone call or the battery removal will necessarily nail down the time of death. The killer could have been the one to open the 11:04 text message rather than Nona.

I'm really interested to learn of the ME's testimony regarding time of death. I tend to think that it must have been earlier rather than later.

[lorettalockhorn]

Some people don't remain as calmheaded though, and having one person that doesn't just exacerbates the situation. In an dire emergncy, I'd almost be willing to be a hundred million dollars my teenage daughter wouldn't be able you her own address. And no matter how I try to teach her not to panic and remain calm, it just isn't there. And, probably never will be. I can easily imagine this happening.


I guess I'm assuming that since KJ had possibly been there many times and since RW was a delivery person who would be expected to know street names, that those two would have known. KJ remembered the 9am text message, but not the addy? It's simply implausible to me.

[jonikay]

I am not going. It was exhausting. I would like to go another time, but I have to take a break. That poor jury! Of course, I would like detailed notes, etc. for every day of the trial, but it is very tedious. And the "pews" are horrendous.

[sololobo]

I imagine we will find some of this stuff out when the defense puts the neighbor on.
The prosecution was using York's testimony for time placement of when the battery was removed from the phone- thus nailing TOD. He texted her at 11:04 and says "call me", no response. He texted again at 12:58(?) to say "nevermind". The prosecution said this was the last message/call to the phone that "went thru", all others went straight to voicemail meaning the battery ahd been removed.


Therefore the battery was not removed until after 12:58 pm which would put Jones two minutes away from being seen at the station at 1:00 pm. And the prosecution claims this? Evidently, they believe Jones took the phone with him after the murder and returned it later, possibly at the time of discovery of the body? Otherwise, the killer was still at the apartment at 12:58 pm.

I wonder what cell phone tower delivered the 12:58 pm text message? The answer to this could convict Jones or exonerate him.

[christina]

well, it just came to my mind that maybe they were frantic and were reaching for any paper or something. I just heard Janice screaming so loud at them to find the address and the boys were loud too, so I figured KJ could have messed with the card. keep in mind that this greeting card fiasco wasn't mentioned during the testimony.

The card was mentioned during opening statments- we were told it was a greeting card to Nona's mother. On the 911 tape when Jones' mother is asking the boys to look for an address, she reads off what sounds like a bank statement and gives the dispatcher the Diperts adress on Skyline drive. Then she mumbles, oh, that's not right. I surmised she was handed a stack of mail and was reading from that. Nona was probably still receiving her mail at her mom's house.

[christina]

Okay, gotcha. I still can't believe that none of those three could have told dispatch that they were at the corner of Inglewood and 12th.

I think it would help you to have been able to listen to the tape. Janice Jones is the one on the phone, she is hysterical, crying, extrememly upset. The boys are audible in the background, loud, also very upset. The level sounded very intense. The boys were not paying attention to Janice Jones, she had to almost scream at them to get their attention to answer the address question. The dispatcher is trying to ascertain where the apartment is through a series of questions like- are they townhouses, south or north Inglewood. When Janice finally get Jones on the phone he does say the street and that they are just down from Shadowlake apartments.

[christina]

I certainly would think so by various sorts to be able to medically assess Nona and code her, etc.

Possibly it was already open and thought maybe envelope with address was under or inside it? :shrug:

The ones in the apartment before PD were the 2 ambulance people, the fireman, we only know of 2 and of course the three that found her. Then PD arrived, the emt, said within minutes. The moved items inferred by the defense are after eveyone leaves and the PD are taking the crime scene photos. I am quessing that will all come out in the detective's testimonies. The inferrence is that the pictures taken by the PD are different, one will show the lamp in one place, another photo will show it in another.

[christina]

Therefore the battery was not removed until after 12:58 pm which would put Jones two minutes away from being seen at the station at 1:00 pm. And the prosecution claims this? Evidently, they believe Jones took the phone with him after the murder and returned it later, possibly at the time of discovery of the body? Otherwise, the killer was still at the apartment at 12:58 pm.

I wonder what cell phone tower delivered the 12:58 pm text message? The answer to this could convict Jones or exonerate him.

I am looking forward to this being made clearer as well.

[christina]

hello CL,

Since there are members in the courtroom I thought it might be a great idea to have members fax in their notes and I can get them placed here at CL for all to read - sort of a day by day from a member whose there. If any of you who are in the courtroom would like to do this send me a PM so I Can get that arranged. - Should have thought of this earlier~!

Good thought but I don't think my notes would be legible and don't have a fax!?!

[Mishell1383]

:biggrin: You better watch it! I know you said you are not really blonde but I AM! :tongue:
LMAO! woops! luv ya girl! :)

[whiterivergal]

Thanks to everyone who posted info about yesterdays proceedings.

[christina]

The prosecution has Ryan Whiteside on the stand and after a few questions asked the judge if he can be treated as an adversarial witness. Phillips is going after him, peppering him with questions. Intense.

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's Courier:

"Gibbons also called into question Jones' recollection of the crime scene, the detail of which he termed "remarkable," in interviews with the police in the days following the discovery of Dirksmeyer's body, noting Jones "told law enforcement that the bady was face up when he got there," despite physical evidence suggesting that the body was "left lying facedown for several hours after the time of death.
Also, shedding new light on the caise of death itself, Gibbons suggested in opening statements that Dirksmeyer was the victim of a "three -stage" attack that occurred "very, very fast."
In the initial stage, according to Gibbons, Dirksmeyer was punched and choked, resulting in a broken hyolic bone, which is located in the neck; a hemorrhage in the right eye, which may have been the result of choking; a bruise to the temple, and injury to the upper and lower mouth.
"Nona wouldn've been more or less stunned" at this point, Gibbons said.
During the second stage of the scenario described by Gibbons, Dirksmeyer was attacked with a knife, resulting in several stab wounds to the neck and right shoulder and several "slice-type" marks to the throat. He described her posture during this stage as being of a defensive nature, with wounds suggesting she may have had her shoulders hunched in an attempt to protect her neck and throat.
During the final, lethal stage of the attack, Dirksmeyer was bludgeoned in the back of the skull with the base of a metal floor lamp used "like a hammer," according to Gibbons.
He told the jury the medical examiner believed although this was a lethal blow, Dirksmeyer may have been alive, unconscious, for up to 30 minutes....
Key to Gibbons' opening statement was a transcript he read aloud to the jury of an enhanced portion of a taped interview with Jones at the Russellville Police Department in the aftermath of the mujrder. During the segment, Jones was alone in the interview room, and can allegedly be heard muttering the following:
"Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn't mean any bad. Screw the f-------, for Christ's sake. She meant no harm to anyone, bless her heart. Please keep her safe, Lord. Please Lord, please, for Christ's sake. I am so sorry."

[mandysunshine]

I had just heard that JM and JK both had Jeep's either Jeep's or Jeep Cherokee's and that they looked the same. Anyone know what KJ drove at that time? <snip>.

I haven't gotten to the end of the thread yet (just catching up on everything posted last night) and wanted to reply to this before I forget. For as long as I have been acquainted with him, Jeremy has driven a white Jeep Cherokee. I think we have been in acquaintance for two years now, give or take a bit.

[lorettalockhorn]

From today's Courier:

Johnson claimed witnesses will testify Jones was last seen at this residence at around 10:30 a.m., after which he cleaned his room before seeing his grandmother, Norma Tate Jones, at the family's gas station at 11:30 a.m., greatly narrowing the window of opportunity for Jones to have committed the murder within the possible time of death period the medical examiner has determined.

This is completely different from what we learned from his statements to LE. One of the news reports stated that KJ had lunch with someone at noon, rather than going to work at noon. Now he was with grandmother at 11:30. Does this mean that he had lunch with grandmother at 11:30 at the station and then started work at noon?

[lorettalockhorn]

The Courier printed a list of key exhibits entered into evidence by the prosecution Tuesday including three crime scene photos. Only three? I would have expected thirteen or thirty. But three?

[lorettalockhorn]

Northwest Arkansas edition of the Gazette:

http://www.nwarktimes.com/adg/News/195368/

[lorettalockhorn]

More about the videotaped statement in today's Courier:

Bristow said Tuesday that the video contains a "mention of a sexual encounter between Jones and another person [who was not Dirksmeyer] a week prior to the murder."
"The defense believes any probative value is substantially outweighed by the prejudicial effect," he said. "It's simply thrown out there in an effort to say the defendant did something improper," and should be taken out of the statement shown to jurors.
Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Jeff Phillips argued Jones "adamantly denied" having sexual relations with anyone other than Dirksmeyer in other statements to police.
"He described their relationship as "very, very exclusive," Phillips said. He said Jones' statements about the encounter show "that wasn't the case."
"It goes to motive as well, concerning the true feelings [of Jones] or lack of respect" he had for Dirksmeyer, Phillips said, "It's absolutely inconsistent" with Jones' previous description of his relationship with Dirksmeyer, he said....
Patterson denied the defense's motion. "It's a credibility issue, and I'll have the jury resolve that for us," he said.

[christina]

The pros and defense just finished with Ryan Whiteside. Ms Garret the previous resident of Nona's apt is now on stand.

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess what I find interesting is that the defense has soft-pedaled the fact that "these kids had sex a lot" and they "are members of a different generation and today's young people think differently". Yet they want KJ's statement censored because it might be prejudicial or indicate wrong doing. Which is it? They can't have it both ways.

[lorettalockhorn]

The pros and defense just finished with Ryan Whiteside. Ms Garret the previous resident of Nona's apt is now on stand.

Thanks Christina!

(42 people online and we're in here talking to ourselves!!)

[mandysunshine]

Thanks Christina!

(42 people online and we're in here talking to ourselves!!)

**waves**
I'm online and finally caught up too. Just finished the paper articles also and feeling sad about the whole thing again.

[hawgustusgloop]

More about the videotaped statement in today's Courier:

Bristow said Tuesday that the video contains a "mention of a sexual encounter between Jones and another person [who was not Dirksmeyer] a week prior to the murder."
"The defense believes any probative value is substantially outweighed by the prejudicial effect," he said. "It's simply thrown out there in an effort to say the defendant did something improper," and should be taken out of the statement shown to jurors.
Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Jeff Phillips argued Jones "adamantly denied" having sexual relations with anyone other than Dirksmeyer in other statements to police.
"He described their relationship as "very, very exclusive," Phillips said. He said Jones' statements about the encounter show "that wasn't the case."
"It goes to motive as well, concerning the true feelings [of Jones] or lack of respect" he had for Dirksmeyer, Phillips said, "It's absolutely inconsistent" with Jones' previous description of his relationship with Dirksmeyer, he said....
Patterson denied the defense's motion. "It's a credibility issue, and I'll have the jury resolve that for us," he said.

So, what do you think K.Jo was trying to say to police with all of that? IIRC besides saying they were "very, very exclusive," didn't he also say he was about to ask her to marry him? Didn't the defense, at an earlier hearing, accuse Jeremy Martin of lying to police about the nature of his and Nona's relationship? Isn't that what it seems K.Jo has done here? I can't wait until the facts about his actual statements come out. Why would he lie and say their relationship was so exclusive if he knew that it wasn't?

ETA: I can't believe this thread has grown to 100 pages!

[chambord]

The prosecution has Ryan Whiteside on the stand and after a few questions asked the judge if he can be treated as an adversarial witness. Phillips is going after him, peppering him with questions. Intense.

Who is this witness if you don't mind me asking?

[chambord]

From today's Courier:

"Gibbons also called into question Jones' recollection of the crime scene, the detail of which he termed "remarkable," in interviews with the police in the days following the discovery of Dirksmeyer's body, noting Jones "told law enforcement that the bady was face up when he got there," despite physical evidence suggesting that the body was "left lying facedown for several hours after the time of death.
Also, shedding new light on the caise of death itself, Gibbons suggested in opening statements that Dirksmeyer was the victim of a "three -stage" attack that occurred "very, very fast."
In the initial stage, according to Gibbons, Dirksmeyer was punched and choked, resulting in a broken hyolic bone, which is located in the neck; a hemorrhage in the right eye, which may have been the result of choking; a bruise to the temple, and injury to the upper and lower mouth.
"Nona wouldn've been more or less stunned" at this point, Gibbons said.
During the second stage of the scenario described by Gibbons, Dirksmeyer was attacked with a knife, resulting in several stab wounds to the neck and right shoulder and several "slice-type" marks to the throat. He described her posture during this stage as being of a defensive nature, with wounds suggesting she may have had her shoulders hunched in an attempt to protect her neck and throat.
During the final, lethal stage of the attack, Dirksmeyer was bludgeoned in the back of the skull with the base of a metal floor lamp used "like a hammer," according to Gibbons.
He told the jury the medical examiner believed although this was a lethal blow, Dirksmeyer may have been alive, unconscious, for up to 30 minutes....
Key to Gibbons' opening statement was a transcript he read aloud to the jury of an enhanced portion of a taped interview with Jones at the Russellville Police Department in the aftermath of the mujrder. During the segment, Jones was alone in the interview room, and can allegedly be heard muttering the following:
"Keep her with the angels. She was a good soul, Lord. She didn't mean any bad. Screw the f-------, for Christ's sake. She meant no harm to anyone, bless her heart. Please keep her safe, Lord. Please Lord, please, for Christ's sake. I am so sorry."

Man, that was one brutal killing, I had no idea she suffered so much. First thing that comes to mind, is the perp had huge RAGE.

moo

[hawgustusgloop]

Who is this witness if you don't mind me asking?

Ryan Whiteside is K.Jo's friend who accompanied him and his mother in discovering Nona's body.

[chambord]

Ryan Whiteside is K.Jo's friend who accompanied him and his mother in discovering Nona's body.


Oh thanks...I knew that! Ha, :D

[hawgustusgloop]

I thought about something last night that I found odd. When K.Jo called RW and asked him to go check on Nona by first driving by her apartment and then knocking on her door, why was it necessary for RW to stay there and wait for K.Jo and his mom to arrive? Once RW told K.Jo that Nona's car was there and that she didn't answer the door, you would think the reasonable thing to say would be, "Thanks for checking, man. I guess we'll drive up there and try to see what's going on. Talk to you later." And then RW would go about his business. I wonder if RW told K.Jo he wanted to stay and wait for them, or if K.Jo specifically asked him to stay there until they arrived? Why would RW need to be there?

[jonikay]

Therefore the battery was not removed until after 12:58 pm which would put Jones two minutes away from being seen at the station at 1:00 pm. And the prosecution claims this? Evidently, they believe Jones took the phone with him after the murder and returned it later, possibly at the time of discovery of the body? Otherwise, the killer was still at the apartment at 12:58 pm.

I wonder what cell phone tower delivered the 12:58 pm text message? The answer to this could convict Jones or exonerate him.
The 1258 message wasn't recorded into the phone when sent. The 1104 message was the last that was received and opened, but not responded to. The prosecution stated that according to Lanny Shephard (sp?) this is consistent with the battery not being on the phone at the time. That message came through when the RPD put a battery on the phone.

[jonikay]

The ones in the apartment before PD were the 2 ambulance people, the fireman, we only know of 2 and of course the three that found her. Then PD arrived, the emt, said within minutes. The moved items inferred by the defense are after eveyone leaves and the PD are taking the crime scene photos. I am quessing that will all come out in the detective's testimonies. The inferrence is that the pictures taken by the PD are different, one will show the lamp in one place, another photo will show it in another.
The first guy from the fire department on the scene stated that he saw Nona's body move, went to get the trauma bag, and came back to realize that the body had been moved and was being moved when he looked. This movement happened when the RPD hadn't gotten there yet. It was EMT, FD, then RPD to arrive on the scene in that order.

[jonikay]

So, what do you think K.Jo was trying to say to police with all of that? IIRC besides saying they were "very, very exclusive," didn't he also say he was about to ask her to marry him? Didn't the defense, at an earlier hearing, accuse Jeremy Martin of lying to police about the nature of his and Nona's relationship? Isn't that what it seems K.Jo has done here? I can't wait until the facts about his actual statements come out. Why would he lie and say their relationship was so exclusive if he knew that it wasn't?

ETA: I can't believe this thread has grown to 100 pages!
KJ told police that he was planning on asking her to marry him just one week later . . .

[jonikay]

I thought about something last night that I found odd. When K.Jo called RW and asked him to go check on Nona by first driving by her apartment and then knocking on her door, why was it necessary for RW to stay there and wait for K.Jo and his mom to arrive? Once RW told K.Jo that Nona's car was there and that she didn't answer the door, you would think the reasonable thing to say would be, "Thanks for checking, man. I guess we'll drive up there and try to see what's going on. Talk to you later." And then RW would go about his business. I wonder if RW told K.Jo he wanted to stay and wait for them, or if K.Jo specifically asked him to stay there until they arrived? Why would RW need to be there?
KJ told RW to stay there and he'd be there in a minute. He was beside the Pope County Courthouse on his way to Savannah's in Dardanelle to eat with his mom. It may have been that the defense says that Janice can be heard by RW in the background telling KJ to slow down.

[lorettalockhorn]

**waves**
I'm online and finally caught up too. Just finished the paper articles also and feeling sad about the whole thing again.

:seeya:

So many posts recently, I'm having to go back and make sure that I read everything.

(I don't really think there's anything wrong with talking to yourself!)

[FDInLaw]

KJ told police that he was planning on asking her to marry him just one week later . . .
If Kevin is innocent, all this lying sure isn't going to help him much. What was he thinking?

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought about something last night that I found odd. When K.Jo called RW and asked him to go check on Nona by first driving by her apartment and then knocking on her door, why was it necessary for RW to stay there and wait for K.Jo and his mom to arrive? Once RW told K.Jo that Nona's car was there and that she didn't answer the door, you would think the reasonable thing to say would be, "Thanks for checking, man. I guess we'll drive up there and try to see what's going on. Talk to you later." And then RW would go about his business. I wonder if RW told K.Jo he wanted to stay and wait for them, or if K.Jo specifically asked him to stay there until they arrived? Why would RW need to be there?

It's a little odd to me too. Was RW at work? Did he have a pizza to deliver or need to get back to his home base? Or was he at home with KJ called him to check on Nona? The Courier article stated that the Joneses didn't want to be late to the Christmas party and that's why KJ prevailed on RW to check on Nona. What I find curious is that if Kevin thought that Nona had ODed, why did he send RW, why did he wait so long, why didn't he call Nona's mom, or even RPD to do a welfare check?

[lorettalockhorn]

If Kevin is innocent, all this lying sure isn't going to help him much. What was he thinking?

I don't see the level of committment necessary for marriage. One of the witnesses is a jewelry store employee. Maybe Kevin had been picking out a ring? I just don't get it.

[jonikay]

It's a little odd to me too. Was RW at work? Did he have a pizza to deliver or need to get back to his home base? Or was he at home with KJ called him to check on Nona? The Courier article stated that the Joneses didn't want to be late to the Christmas party and that's why KJ prevailed on RW to check on Nona. What I find curious is that if Kevin thought that Nona had ODed, why did he send RW, why did he wait so long, why didn't he call Nona's mom, or even RPD to do a welfare check?
That was a discrepancy in the defense's arguments. They said at first that he was worried that she'd od'd on her anti-depressant meds, but he said when KJ got there, his mom parked weirdly as to just be there a minute and the boys thought they could rouse Nona out of the shower long enough to answer the phone, this was practically the same sentence. I don't think RW was at work at the time, and I think KJ asked him to check if he had the time or whatever, once he knocked and she didn't answer, KJ became more persistant.

[lorettalockhorn]

That was a discrepancy in the defense's arguments. They said at first that he was worried that she'd od'd on her anti-depressant meds, but he said when KJ got there, his mom parked weirdly as to just be there a minute and the boys thought they could rouse Nona out of the shower long enough to answer the phone, this was practically the same sentence. I don't think RW was at work at the time, and I think KJ asked him to check if he had the time or whatever, once he knocked and she didn't answer, KJ became more persistant.

hmmm

Well, RW testified today. When Christina gives us the lowdown maybe it will make more sense.

[FDInLaw]

I don't see the level of committment necessary for marriage. One of the witnesses is a jewelry store employee. Maybe Kevin had been picking out a ring? I just don't get it. It seems weird. Kevin may have lied so that the RPD would be less likely to suspect him. Unfortunately for him, police check these things out. Another thing, both of them were seeing other people BUT this does not mean their families knew about it. Nona may have been the one girl that he took home to mom and there were expectations there because of it. It's not uncommon for kids this age to live a sort of double life - there are the things mommy and daddy know about and the things they don't. JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Looks like The Courier is putting today's edition online:

http://couriernews.com/stories.php?ID=1

[lorettalockhorn]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15333

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15334

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15332

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15330

[lorettalockhorn]

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15331

I believe this is today's update:

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15335

[FDInLaw]

She testified Dirksmeyer talked to her about Dirksmeyer’s relationship with Jones, which Bailey said “didn’t seem healthy.”
“They fought a lot verbally,” she said. “I knew she thought he had cheated on her, and she had cheated on him like a retaliation.”


From: http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15333

[FDInLaw]

The 1258 message wasn't recorded into the phone when sent. The 1104 message was the last that was received and opened, but not responded to. The prosecution stated that according to Lanny Shephard (sp?) this is consistent with the battery not being on the phone at the time. That message came through when the RPD put a battery on the phone.

Thanks for posting this!

[hawgustusgloop]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"The next witness called was Laura Brown, a Pope County EMS paramedic who was dispatched to Dirksmeyer’s apartment Dec. 15.
When she entered the apartment, she said she saw a young man “straddling” a body in the dark room.
She said she turned on the lights and Jones, who was straddling Dirksmeyer’s body, was “screaming, talking, hysterical.” "

So, K.Jo, RW, and K.Jo's mom see Nona lying dead in the dark and no one turns on the lights?

[FDInLaw]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"The next witness called was Laura Brown, a Pope County EMS paramedic who was dispatched to Dirksmeyer’s apartment Dec. 15.
When she entered the apartment, she said she saw a young man “straddling” a body in the dark room.
She said she turned on the lights and Jones, who was straddling Dirksmeyer’s body, was “screaming, talking, hysterical.” "

So, K.Jo, RW, and K.Jo's mom see Nona lying dead in the dark and no one turns on the lights?
Huh? When does the sun go down that time of year? Maybe it was considerably lighter when they first found the body and with all the emotion they just didn't notice how dark it had gotten. (This is just one of my bird-brained instant responses). Weird. Since it was right around the shortest day of the year I assume it was right around dusk when they found her. (???)

[hawgustusgloop]

Huh? When does the sun go down that time of year? Maybe it was considerably lighter when they first found the body and with all the emotion they just didn't notice how dark it had gotten. (This is just one of my bird-brained instant responses). Weird. Since it was right around the shortest day of the year I assume it was right around dusk when they found her. (???)

This is that link you posted about the weather for that day:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRUE/2005/12/15/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

It says the sun set at 5:01 p.m., but I don't know how dark it would've been by 6:30.

[FDInLaw]

This is that link you posted about the weather for that day:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRUE/2005/12/15/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

It says the sun set at 5:01 p.m., but I don't know how dark it would've been by 6:30.
It would have been dark by then. I did note on the link that there was a full moon that night though. Also, there may have been a street light near by. Let's dig up the actually address and use google earth to see which direction the sliding glass door was facing.

[sololobo]

It would have been dark by then. I did note on the link that there was a full moon that night though. Also, there may have been a street light near by. Let's dig up the actually address and use google earth to see which direction the sliding glass door was facing.

Astronomical Twilight occurred at 6:32 pm CST. This is as dark as its going to get:) The sliding door faces east. There is very little ambient light on the east side (street side). If there was any viable light, it had to be from a waning full moon.

[FDInLaw]

North East.

Huh, even with the full moon it probably was pretty dark in there I would guess. Weird, especially in light of Gibbon's statement here. If Kevin was in the dark most of the time he was there, how could he have a "remarkable" grasp of the details of the crime scene? (Or am I misunderstanding Gibbon's statement here?)

Gibbons also called into question Jones’ recollection of the crime scene, the detail of which he termed “remarkable,” in interviews with police in the days following the discovery of Dirksmeyer’s body. . .


From: http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15334

[sololobo]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"The next witness called was Laura Brown, a Pope County EMS paramedic who was dispatched to Dirksmeyer’s apartment Dec. 15.
When she entered the apartment, she said she saw a young man “straddling” a body in the dark room.
She said she turned on the lights and Jones, who was straddling Dirksmeyer’s body, was “screaming, talking, hysterical.” "

So, K.Jo, RW, and K.Jo's mom see Nona lying dead in the dark and no one turns on the lights?


I assume the light in the living room was off and the paramedic turned it on. There had to be light somewhere in the apartment, possibly the kitchen. I believe the kitchen and the stairs are just inside the front door and the living room is in the back with the sliding door. That sounds like an odd floorplan but someone I know who live there a long time ago said that is how they are situated.

[lorettalockhorn]

It would have been dark by then. I did note on the link that there was a full moon that night though. Also, there may have been a street light near by. Let's dig up the actually address and use google earth to see which direction the sliding glass door was facing.

Try 1006 Inglewood.

OT: But given as many times as Nona texted TY, does anyone find it strange that she didn't answer his text message at 11:04 (or 10:40)? It looks to me like she would have been eager to get in touch with him if all of those Nov/Dec texts are any indicator.

And I hate to keep harping on this, but help a girl out. Why, since KJ was interviewed three times and the arrest didn't occur until late March, did he not give a verifiable alibi (11:30 meeting with grandmother at the station) to LE. Did he and grandmother both remember this after he was charged?

[lorettalockhorn]

I assume the light in the living room was off and the paramedic turned it on. There had to be light somewhere in the apartment, possibly the kitchen. I believe the kitchen and the stairs are just inside the front door and the living room is in the back with the sliding door. That sounds like an odd floorplan but someone I know who live there a long time ago said that is how they are situated.

I just don't get that none of the three turned on the light. Was Nona really visible from the sliding door with no interior lights? OR why would any of the three have turned the light off before paramedics arrived?

Sorry, just read Solo's post and now I understand that she may have been right in front of the sliding door.

[FDInLaw]

>SNIP<

And I hate to keep harping on this, but help a girl out. Why, since KJ was interviewed three times and the arrest didn't occur until late March, did he not give a verifiable alibi (11:30 meeting with grandmother at the station) to LE. Did he and grandmother both remember this after he was charged?
Good question! :shrug:

[sololobo]

North East.

Huh, even with the full moon it probably was pretty dark in there I would guess. Weird, especially in light of Gibbon's statement here. If Kevin was in the dark most of the time he was there, how could he have a "remarkable" grasp of the details of the crime scene? (Or am I misunderstanding Gibbon's statement here?)



From: http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15334

Jancie Jones read the Dipert's Skyline Drive address from a bank statement to 911 before realizing that couldn't be right. There had to be a light on somewhere.

[sololobo]

The 1258 message wasn't recorded into the phone when sent. The 1104 message was the last that was received and opened, but not responded to. The prosecution stated that according to Lanny Shephard (sp?) this is consistent with the battery not being on the phone at the time. That message came through when the RPD put a battery on the phone.

Thanks for clearing that up, Jonikay:) That simplifies the cell phone evidence.

[hawgustusgloop]

Try 1006 Inglewood.

OT: But given as many times as Nona texted TY, does anyone find it strange that she didn't answer his text message at 11:04 (or 10:40)? It looks to me like she would have been eager to get in touch with him if all of those Nov/Dec texts are any indicator.

And I hate to keep harping on this, but help a girl out. Why, since KJ was interviewed three times and the arrest didn't occur until late March, did he not give a verifiable alibi (11:30 meeting with grandmother at the station) to LE. Did he and grandmother both remember this after he was charged?

I don't know what is up with that, but the defense will need to have a solid explanation for it. It would look awfully convenient to the jury for someone who appeared at first to have no alibi to have his grandmother, of all people, step in and say, "Oh, yeah, now that I think about it, he was with me during this time."

[sololobo]

That was a discrepancy in the defense's arguments. They said at first that he was worried that she'd od'd on her anti-depressant meds, but he said when KJ got there, his mom parked weirdly as to just be there a minute and the boys thought they could rouse Nona out of the shower long enough to answer the phone, this was practically the same sentence. I don't think RW was at work at the time, and I think KJ asked him to check if he had the time or whatever, once he knocked and she didn't answer, KJ became more persistant.


Worst case scenerio, he thought she might have OD'ed but , then again, she may only be in the shower and not heard the door?

[lorettalockhorn]

Jancie Jones read the Dipert's Skyline Drive address from a bank statement to 911 before realizing that couldn't be right. There had to be a light on somewhere.

You would think so. And the greeting card was found in the kitchen, so we might assume that there was a light on in there. But wouldn't one of the three wanted to have turned on a light, especially for the resuscitation effort?

[lorettalockhorn]

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[FDInLaw]

Dog-nab-it! We need a courtroom update! They should be letting out soon - right?

[sololobo]

It is 8.6 miles from Nona's apartment to the station with a drive time of 19 minutes. It is 7.9 miles from Jones' house to the station with a drive time of 15 minutes. It is 16.3 miles (.2 mile difference from having to manually locate the station on the Google map) from Nona's apartment to Jone's house with a drive time of 33 minutes according to Google (28 minutes according to MSN).

These driving times are approximate and, depending on the traffic or conditions, may vary plus or minus.

[lorettalockhorn]

It is 8.6 miles from Nona's apartment to the station with a drive time of 19 minutes. It is 7.9 miles from Jones' house to the station with a drive time of 15 minutes. It is 16.3 miles (.2 mile difference from having to manually locate the station on the Google map) from Nona's apartment to Jone's house with a drive time of 33 minutes according to Google (28 minutes according to MSN).

These driving times are approximate and, depending on the traffic or conditions, may vary plus or minus.

I drove it twice myself; two different routes, but both included Inglewood. One route between Nona and the Jones' took 22 minutes. The other took 24 minutes. The trip from the Jones' to the station took nine minutes. I can't read Leroy's scribbles on the mileage, but I can tell you that Mapquest overestimates both the drive time and the mileage.

[sololobo]

I drove it twice myself; two different routes, but both included Inglewood. One route between Nona and the Jones' took 22 minutes. The other took 24 minutes. The trip from the Jones' to the station took nine minutes. I can't read Leroy's scribbles on the mileage, but I can tell you that Mapquest overestimates both the drive time and the mileage.

The routes I ran went via Dike Road. Times are approximate and, especially with in-town drive times, do tend to overstate.

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 5 news reported:

The jury saw the 95 minute interrogation (KJ's first interview) today. He was alone for the first five minutes or so and at one time said, "Oh my God, why?". He doubled over and rocked back and forth. When police re-entered the room, he was cooperative.
When alone again, he was observed banging his hand(?) against the wall. (Sorry, I was interrupted, but pretty sure they said hand, maybe it was head??).
When the questioning resumed, he told LE that someone must have broken in. Someone re-arranged Nona's body.

[lorettalockhorn]

SusieQ He was very distraught and was made to wait sooo long between interrogations and would just bawl heartwrenching sobs, beat on table a few times out of frustration. Kept asking for his parents. As I have stated, I now believe in his innocence without any convictions. If the kid is lying he deserves all them emmy's, golden globes, and millions of dollars for that kind of acting. IMO

I think this must be what the reporter was referring to when I was interrupted.

Thanks Susie!

[lorettalockhorn]

Channel 7 news report was similar to Channel 5's but highlighted that in the interrogation tape Kevin credited himself with Nona's success in moving past her abuse, "she met me and I pretty much saved her life."

[FDInLaw]

Hey All! Glad we are finally getting some news! :seeya:

SusieQ ~ Where did you sit today? Were you right behind the victim's family? ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

Slidin door faces north in proximity

Almost directly NE according to what I've seen.

[lorettalockhorn]

he listed more than one or two verifiable alibi's in his initial questioning with police.

What I'm talking about is that KJ told RPD that he left home at 11:45 and arrived at work at noon, according to the PCS. Walters didn't see him until 1:00. Now, he's been reportedly at the station with grandmother, lunch with RW at the cafe and back to the station by noon. I don't get why he was arrested if this is all verifiable. How could someone with an alibi be charged with murder? Did the defense not present his alibi when they made the motion to dismiss?

[jonikay]

ok, the living room and kitchen are right beside each other and in the middle of the two is a staircase leading to Nona's bedroom and bathroom. No lights were on downstairs. There was one light on at the top of the stairwell. When Laura Brown, EMT, arrived, she had to turn on the lights. Nona's body was a little away from the stairway, almost in the kitchen. The sliding glass door opens from the kitchen and was viewable before entering the apartment.

[jonikay]

What I'm talking about is that KJ told RPD that he left home at 11:45 and arrived at work at noon, according to the PCS. Walters didn't see him until 1:00. Now, he's been reportedly at the station with grandmother, lunch with RW at the cafe and back to the station by noon. I don't get why he was arrested if this is all verifiable. How could someone with an alibi be charged with murder? Did the defense not present his alibi when they made the motion to dismiss?
grandma is the only one who says he was with her. KJ never mentioned gma and the PCS is pretty accurate in stating KJ's whereabouts, according to what Kevin himself states.

[lorettalockhorn]

yes that probably be more correct. That's why i stated proximity... Don't you know blondes are directionally challenged?:lol:

Well, I happen to be blonde. Anyway, that's why God made GoogleEarth.

[lorettalockhorn]

ok, the living room and kitchen are right beside each other and in the middle of the two is a staircase leading to Nona's bedroom and bathroom. No lights were on downstairs. There was one light on at the top of the stairwell. When Laura Brown, EMT, arrived, she had to turn on the lights. Nona's body was a little away from the stairway, almost in the kitchen. The sliding glass door opens from the kitchen and was viewable before entering the apartment.


Okay, the whole discovery (of Nona) situation just bugs the heck out of me to begin with. But the mental image of three hystericle people bumbling around in the dark trying to find an address and resuscitate Nona is just unfathomable to me.

BTW, Channel 7 reported at 6:00 that RW testified that he thought Nona was still alive when they found her.

[lorettalockhorn]

KJ did not mention going to work per se, stated he went to the station to do some errands for grandmother.

The bold is something I don't get either. But, then again, IMO, Trey York virtually had no alibi? Why wasn't he looked at closer. Makes me feel even more Jones was zoned in on. JMO


Trying to get this straight. The PCS states that he told LE that he left home at 11:45 to arrive at work at noon. But that's not what was in this first interview that was shown to the court today?

[al38]

KJ did not mention going to work per se, stated he went to the station to do some errands for grandmother.

The bold is something I don't get either. But, then again, IMO, Trey York virtually had no alibi? Why wasn't he looked at closer. Makes me feel even more Jones was zoned in on. JMO

The longer this goes, the more I feel Kevin could be innocent. So who do ya think did it? The York guy? Do you know anything about him?
Too bad the credibility of the RPD cannot be brought into question. I cannot help but wonder if anyone else has had the thought that the RPD is not being sued for 2 deaths while inmates were in their custody because they are good cops???
They should have looked closer at the other men in her life.

[lorettalockhorn]

The longer this goes, the more I feel Kevin could be innocent. So who do ya think did it? The York guy? Do you know anything about him?
Too bad the credibility of the RPD cannot be brought into question. I cannot help but wonder if anyone else has had the thought that the RPD is not being sued for 2 deaths while inmates were in their custody because they are good cops???
They should have looked closer at the other men in her life.

Hey al! Were you on the fence before? Or has something happened since the trial started to change your mind?

I cannot imagine that if KJ didn't do this that it was York. His testimony may not have gone well and his alibi may not be solid in our minds, but 1) it is solid in the prosecution's minds, and 2) he's not on trial, so I haven't really considered him. For me, it all comes down to alibi at this point. And KJ doesn't have a bulletproof one. And if he lied about his alibi, I'm going to figure that he's a liar.

[al38]

Hey al! Were you on the fence before? Or has something happened since the trial started to change your mind?

I cannot imagine that if KJ didn't do this that it was York. His testimony may not have gone well and his alibi may not be solid in our minds, but 1) it is solid in the prosecution's minds, and 2) he's not on trial, so I haven't really considered him. For me, it all comes down to alibi at this point. And KJ doesn't have a bulletproof one. And if he lied about his alibi, I'm going to figure that he's a liar.

No, I thought he did it before, but I thought the one of the reasons K was charged was because of the tacky fingerprint. Well, to me it just doesn't make sense that it could be tacky after 5 hours or so. I think he touched the lamp when he went to check on Nona and maybe didn't remember it or something. If he was seeing someone else, then he finds that Nona was seeing someone else, it doesn't make sense that he would be mad enough to kill her. If he were that possessive he would have went to Tech with her to keep an eye on her IMO. The way she way murdered makes me think whoever did it had to have had a violent past. And it looks like if he had we would have heard about it by now. Maybe he does have something violent in his and it will come out later in trial. Or I guess he should have just snapped. And when he is saying in the police station that she didn't deserve it, that he is sorry, and crying & all that- I wonder if he wasn't meaning he was sorry he wasn't there to protect her. JMO

[sololobo]

ok, the living room and kitchen are right beside each other and in the middle of the two is a staircase leading to Nona's bedroom and bathroom. No lights were on downstairs. There was one light on at the top of the stairwell. When Laura Brown, EMT, arrived, she had to turn on the lights. Nona's body was a little away from the stairway, almost in the kitchen. The sliding glass door opens from the kitchen and was viewable before entering the apartment.


"The rear sliding door opened onto the living room where Nona’s body lay and according to Jones’ statement to law enforcement on the 15th day of December, he saw Nona laying there with blood underneath her head." PCS Statement.

There two statements seem contradictory. However, perhaps the back of the apartment consists of a combination living room and dining area and the sliding door opens into both. The dining area may be adjacent to the kitchen. Thus, two different interpretations between the police and paramedic?

[regularjoe]

Saw on the KTHV website that Det. John Waid testified at today and that the jury gave the most reaction to what anyone has said during his testimony (explanation) regarding defense questioning that RPD did not look into some folks like they did KJ. Furthermore, someone on the board said that JM drove a white jeep cherokee. I had heard that KJ also had one. Can someone tell me if this is true?

[sololobo]

From one of the Courier articles linked above:

"The next witness called was Laura Brown, a Pope County EMS paramedic who was dispatched to Dirksmeyer’s apartment Dec. 15.
When she entered the apartment, she said she saw a young man “straddling” a body in the dark room.
She said she turned on the lights and Jones, who was straddling Dirksmeyer’s body, was “screaming, talking, hysterical.” "

So, K.Jo, RW, and K.Jo's mom see Nona lying dead in the dark and no one turns on the lights?

It must not have been too dark, she saw a young man straddling a body before she turned on the lights.

[sololobo]

Saw on the KTHV website that Det. John Waid testified at today and that the jury gave the most reaction to what anyone has said during his testimony (explanation) regarding defense questioning that RPD did not look into some folks like they did KJ. Furthermore, someone on the board said that JM drove a white jeep cherokee. I had heard that KJ also had one. Can someone tell me if this is true?

I heard Jones had a white truck. Who knows:)

[christina]

Hey folks, this is probably going to be my last post on the blog. First, I am old and tired. Most important though- there is no doubt any longer for me that Kevin Jones is innocent. I have heard for myself the 911 tape in its entirety, watched in person the interview with Jones on the night of the murder, heard all the prosecution witnesses first on the scene, sat through 2 hearings about the only piece of evidence that ties Jones specifically to the murder-the bloody light bulb print- and heard three police officer's testimonies. All viewed in person, without the Courier and Prosecution's spin, yes, I said spin here.
A year and half ago when I first read about this case in the Courier, I firmly believed Jones was guilty. I tried to keep an open mind because I might be called as a juror. As things leaked out, and I attended the hearings, I started to question and waiver. Now, after seeing the evidence the PCS presented, there was no substantial case against Jones. The things mentioned previously by the prosecution and the PCS- Jones being calm on the 911 tape, "Jones told RPD Officer Beyette that Jones watched a lot of Law and Order, a television show which Afflant knows to deal with forensic science and crime scene analysis" , affiant stating Jones said he "laid on top of her and “rubbed his hands over the blood to see how fresh it was", and many others are not just subject to interpretation, some are blantantly false.
The evidence, not interpreted by others, presented so far by the prosecution has shown me that not only is Jones innocent, but the RPD was less than competent in their investigation and seriously needs to look at York as a suspect.
The reason you will probaly not see me on this blog any longer is that I understand many of you have been involved a lot longer and are pretty invested emotionally in "Justice for Nona". And to many of you that needs to be the belief that Kevin is guilty. I simply do not want to defend everything I now see as true.
Tonight, along with feeling tired emotionally and physically, I feel a little outraged for Nona's family, for Kevin and his family. They deserve to see the person who murdered their loved one brought to justice. It does not appear the RPD nor the prosecution did the job needed to see this happen.

[jonikay]

It must not have been too dark, she saw a young man straddling a body before she turned on the lights.
Laura Brown walked in and said it was really dark and she really couldn't see. She said, "someone turn on the lights." But she saw the switch and turned it on. This was really before she was at Nona's body. KJ was sitting on Nona (which is what she first said in the testimony, but defense grilled her to change it to what she said in her statement, "straddling") for a time after that bc Laura had to tell him to get off of her several times. She said she made him get up. She said, "Get off of her" and told him to leave. The light was off until Laura got there and couldn't see to work on Nona (she didn't know if she were alive or dead at the time she arrived at the scene), so she turned on a light.

[jonikay]

I heard Jones had a white truck. Who knows:)
KJ drove a white ford explorer. He drove it the whole day of the 15th, but drove his dad's white pickup truck to the scene. Don't know about JM. For what it's worth, Trey drove a silver Mustang.

[lorettalockhorn]

The longer this goes, the more I feel Kevin could be innocent. So who do ya think did it? The York guy? Do you know anything about him?
Too bad the credibility of the RPD cannot be brought into question. I cannot help but wonder if anyone else has had the thought that the RPD is not being sued for 2 deaths while inmates were in their custody because they are good cops???
They should have looked closer at the other men in her life.

I don't know anything about York (or Jones for that matter). I've never heard anything bad about either of them; except for what I've heard about KJ since the murder. York is not on trial or we likely would have heard much more about him.

Inmates didn't die while in RPD's custody. Inmates are under the purview of the Pope County Sheriff's Department. I honestly don't know if any officers involved with Nona's investigation are also involved in the lawsuit regarding Mr. Rylee's death. From what I've read, Mr. Rylee attacked officers and they responded with appropriate force. I just don't get the connection between those officers protecting themselves and the public, and the murder investigation. I DO think that Sheriff Winters needs to do some review of jail procedure with regard to prisoners' health issues and requests for medical attention.

[lorettalockhorn]

If it all comes down to alibi for you, York doesn't have really any and the one that truly can be verified, the gas station, he was caught changing stories. That's not real solid to me.

York is not on trial, does he need an alibi at this point? I've read about his testimony re: buying gas, but didn't pick up on the problem with his testimony. I am somewhat surprised that any descrepancies in his narrative were left hanging, but can't help but think that he will be somewhat rehabilitated when he testifies for the defense. (I think that I read that he is on the defense witness list.)

[whiterivergal]

The longer this goes, the more I feel Kevin could be innocent. So who do ya think did it? The York guy? Do you know anything about him?
Too bad the credibility of the RPD cannot be brought into question. I cannot help but wonder if anyone else has had the thought that the RPD is not being sued for 2 deaths while inmates were in their custody because they are good cops???
They should have looked closer at the other men in her life.

The longer this goes on? It's only the 3rd day of the trial. You can be sure that RPD looked carefully at all suspects before they made an arrest. (I am not a fan of RPD). I don't think there is going to be any surprise Perry Mason type evidence. I believe they looked at all the evidence and KJ fit the bill. I also think it particularly telling that Nona's family believes he is the perp.

[lorettalockhorn]

No, I thought he did it before, but I thought the one of the reasons K was charged was because of the tacky fingerprint. Well, to me it just doesn't make sense that it could be tacky after 5 hours or so. I think he touched the lamp when he went to check on Nona and maybe didn't remember it or something. If he was seeing someone else, then he finds that Nona was seeing someone else, it doesn't make sense that he would be mad enough to kill her. If he were that possessive he would have went to Tech with her to keep an eye on her IMO. The way she way murdered makes me think whoever did it had to have had a violent past. And it looks like if he had we would have heard about it by now. Maybe he does have something violent in his and it will come out later in trial. Or I guess he should have just snapped. And when he is saying in the police station that she didn't deserve it, that he is sorry, and crying & all that- I wonder if he wasn't meaning he was sorry he wasn't there to protect her. JMO

I guess that I missed this post before. Anyway, I guess the reason that I haven't decided anything definitive about the print is because we've only read so little of the testimony that was given during the hearing. The one thing that does stand out in my mind is that Bacon testified that the blood didn't look different days later than it did when he first saw it. If it didn't appear dry in the hours after Nona's death, and didn't appear dry in the 51 or so minutes after the discovery of her body, and didn't appear dry days later, drying time is probably not going to overwhelm me. Then again, I haven't heard much from the defense expert.

[jonikay]

I guess that I missed this post before. Anyway, I guess the reason that I haven't decided anything definitive about the print is because we've only read so little of the testimony that was given during the hearing. The one thing that does stand out in my mind is that Bacon testified that the blood didn't look different days later than it did when he first saw it. If it didn't appear dry in the hours after Nona's death, and didn't appear dry in the 51 or so minutes after the discovery of her body, and didn't appear dry days later, drying time is probably not going to overwhelm me. Then again, I haven't heard much from the defense expert.
The telling thing in this whole trial will be the bloody palm print IMO. Everything will rest on whether or not members of the jury believe that it was made during the murder or during discovery. The trial, thus far, has only proved 2 things thus far: the kids had other relationships with other people and the RPD has some holes in the investigation. This has been proved. It's whether or not these "holes" are significant in convicting Jones or not. KJ's alibi hasn't been proved and the bloody palm print hasn't been proved.

[hawgustusgloop]

Hey folks, this is probably going to be my last post on the blog. First, I am old and tired. Most important though- there is no doubt any longer for me that Kevin Jones is innocent. I have heard for myself the 911 tape in its entirety, watched in person the interview with Jones on the night of the murder, heard all the prosecution witnesses first on the scene, sat through 2 hearings about the only piece of evidence that ties Jones specifically to the murder-the bloody light bulb print- and heard three police officer's testimonies. All viewed in person, without the Courier and Prosecution's spin, yes, I said spin here.
A year and half ago when I first read about this case in the Courier, I firmly believed Jones was guilty. I tried to keep an open mind because I might be called as a juror. As things leaked out, and I attended the hearings, I started to question and waiver. Now, after seeing the evidence the PCS presented, there was no substantial case against Jones. The things mentioned previously by the prosecution and the PCS- Jones being calm on the 911 tape, "Jones told RPD Officer Beyette that Jones watched a lot of Law and Order, a television show which Afflant knows to deal with forensic science and crime scene analysis" , affiant stating Jones said he "laid on top of her and “rubbed his hands over the blood to see how fresh it was", and many others are not just subject to interpretation, some are blantantly false.
The evidence, not interpreted by others, presented so far by the prosecution has shown me that not only is Jones innocent, but the RPD was less than competent in their investigation and seriously needs to look at York as a suspect.
The reason you will probaly not see me on this blog any longer is that I understand many of you have been involved a lot longer and are pretty invested emotionally in "Justice for Nona". And to many of you that needs to be the belief that Kevin is guilty. I simply do not want to defend everything I now see as true.
Tonight, along with feeling tired emotionally and physically, I feel a little outraged for Nona's family, for Kevin and his family. They deserve to see the person who murdered their loved one brought to justice. It does not appear the RPD nor the prosecution did the job needed to see this happen.

:seeya: :shrug:

[hawgustusgloop]

From KATV:
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/438451.html

About today's proceedings.

[lorettalockhorn]

The telling thing in this whole trial will be the bloody palm print IMO. Everything will rest on whether or not members of the jury believe that it was made during the murder or during discovery. The trial, thus far, has only proved 2 things thus far: the kids had other relationships with other people and the RPD has some holes in the investigation. This has been proved. It's whether or not these "holes" are significant in convicting Jones or not. KJ's alibi hasn't been proved and the bloody palm print hasn't been proved.

It's just way too early to decide.

[lorettalockhorn]

From KATV:
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0707/438451.html

About today's proceedings.

Thanks Hawg! This statement gave me the heebie jeebies: "She met me and I pretty much saved her life."

[jonikay]

That's really the way I feel too, lo. The prosecution hasn't gotten to what they feel is the bulk of the case yet. It's hard bc KJ's grandma will be on the stand at some point to state that she was with KJ at the station from about 1115-1130 until he went for lunch at the bayou, but KJ doesn't mention this visit during interrogation. He does say that after lunch he ran some errands for his gma, but didn't say they visited. She will say that they visited and she gave him $5 for lunch. It's just a back and forth type thing, probably typical of this sort of case.

[jonikay]

I totally disagree with that. There is not much I feel the PCS is TOTALLY accurate about.
Susieq, I must correct myself. I remember KJ stating that he ran some errands for gma, but I thought it was after lunch. Gma says they visited for quite a while and he didn't say that. He also left out a few things that happened, but nothing major. Like the bathtub guys who came to his house about 930. He never mentioned that, but they woke him up. I don't doubt at all that he just forgot that.

[jonikay]

It is true that no one has testified thus far to the point that according to the PCS, Jones laid on the body . . . to see how fresh the blood was. I doubt anyone will, imo. All I have heard from several is that he laid on her to keep her warm. I'm sure that is all we will hear about that and I take that as the truth of it.

[hawgustusgloop]

A KFSM update from Wednesday!
http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6777429
I'm so glad they are reporting on this! I feel guilty for badmouthing their coverage now. They were looking like a bunch of slackers compared to the Little Rock stations, but now they're finally trying to represent the 479. LOL.

[jonikay]

IMO, I wouldn't use the word "botched," but I would say that it seems [I]thus far[I] that the investigation wasn't handled in all of the correct ways. For instance, they didn't search or check out anybody thoroughly, including KJ. I will have to agree to the gist of what you're saying about the investigation. Attention guys, it is happening differently than what we all probably originally thought. It's going to take some real work for a conviction.

[hawgustusgloop]

Three officers who testified today came across not real great...
And, one was beaten to near death BY the RPD and both died at the jail.
All sides of LE in this town need some straightening out. You can deny it all you want but the facts are there. And christina is right, this investigation was botched and it was botched realll bad, IMO. So, you keep living in your state of denial, meanwhile the real killer is on the loose while an innocent young man has been bashed for the last year and a half. I've seen some of the untruths and the half-truths at the trial for myself. christina's been in the proceedings much more than I so I am willing to say she has seen more. Your mind is set and your not even willing to take in the many of new things that are being learned that shed a light on the whole picture. That is bias and ignorance, but some things can't be changed. You believe what you want and finagel everything to fit your version, but it's not about your version, it's about facts. Maybe you should attend the trial for yourself. It's sad when a year and a half has gone by and the defense team is the one solving this murder. The defense team is rocking and they are on top of their game, go defense go!

Wouldn't this accurately describe your position on this case as well? Didn't you say your mind was completely made up after hearing only a couple of hours of testimony?

[jonikay]

he stated in his statement today some before, some after, over and over no hesitation, no variance
I must admit I wasn't there for the first of his videotaped interview, I came in I would guess a while after. He wasn't emotional at all at the time I watched him. I am not saying he never was, in fact I fully agree with the fact that he was emotional at first. I felt bad when he bundled up bc he was cold. How long did they say he had Nona's blood all over him? Throughout the course of the 3 and a half hour long interrogation? Do you still think there was some browbeating going on from the folks asking him questions? I have to say they were pretty nice, easy-going with him.

[hawgustusgloop]

Did they thouroughly look at all suspects? Where are all the other suspects finger prints and DNA tests? Where is Trey Yorks alibi?
What did he really clean out of his car? Coke or blood? Why has the defense already been able to prove lies in the PCS and holes? Looked at all the evidence? Have you been in the courtroom?

I think Nona's family was given the same info the public was, no more, and that CERTAINLY is not the whole story. They were led to believe just like everyone else in the community. I'd be curious to know what Carol Dipert believes after these days of testimony. I don't give a rip what Duane thinks. He hasn't been in the court room.

This seems like an oddly personal statement and very insensitive considering the fact that he is the victim's stepfather IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Three officers who testified today came across not real great...
And, one was beaten to near death BY the RPD and both died at the jail.
All sides of LE in this town need some straightening out. You can deny it all you want but the facts are there. And christina is right, this investigation was botched and it was botched realll bad, IMO. So, you keep living in your state of denial, meanwhile the real killer is on the loose while an innocent young man has been bashed for the last year and a half. I've seen some of the untruths and the half-truths at the trial for myself. christina's been in the proceedings much more than I so I am willing to say she has seen more. Your mind is set and your not even willing to take in the many of new things that are being learned that shed a light on the whole picture. That is bias and ignorance, but some things can't be changed. You believe what you want and finagel everything to fit your version, but it's not about your version, it's about facts. Maybe you should attend the trial for yourself. It's sad when a year and a half has gone by and the defense team is the one solving this murder. The defense team is rocking and they are on top of their game, go defense go!


Please do not presume to tell me what I think.

I want to see the trial through. In my mind, it is no more honorable to decide Kevin's innocence without hearing the evidence than it is to convict him without hearing it. I cannot imagine why the prosecution, RPD, ASP and PCSD would concentrate on railroading KJ for this crime if there was any reason to suspect York (or anyone else) after the investigation. Do any of us really think that our training and education is better than LE? If York is guilty, why wasn't he indicted? Is there some reason that the State would be happier with a wrongful conviction of KJ rather than a conviction of the "true killer"? Puhleez, York isn't on trial. Why should any of us consider him guilty or innocent?

To the best of my knowledge, the officers who defended themselves against Rylee are not involved in this case. RPD does not administer the jail where Rylee and Jamerson(?) were being held. You are comparing apples to oranges IMO when you try to tie this investigation to the deaths of two prisoners.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, he will be recalled. You can stake money on it. Rehabilitated or stewing and brewing? Nope not on trial but maybe he should be.
Wonder is his prints or DNA matched anywhere. Hard to tell when none were taken to find a match. Find it hard to imagine that you think no alibi is not important after all the harping about Jones not having one. No that his alibi has been presented that's not important. That's an impressive double standard there

Huh?

Yes, I know that he will be called to testify for the defense, that's why I said when he testifies for the defense. At least that's what I have read. Maybe you think after all the time that you have spent in the courtroom that York should be on trial, but the fact remains that he isn't. York doesn't need an alibi. But Kevin does. And I'm wondering why, if he has one, the judge didn't drop the charges against him when the defense filed the motion dismiss.

How is it a double standard that I am waiting for KJ's alibi and the blood evidence among other things to be presented?

[lorettalockhorn]

Did they thouroughly look at all suspects? Where are all the other suspects finger prints and DNA tests? Where is Trey Yorks alibi?
What did he really clean out of his car? Coke or blood? Why has the defense already been able to prove lies in the PCS and holes? Looked at all the evidence? Have you been in the courtroom?

I think Nona's family was given the same info the public was, no more, and that CERTAINLY is not the whole story. They were led to believe just like everyone else in the community. I'd be curious to know what Carol Dipert believes after these days of testimony. I don't give a rip what Duane thinks. He hasn't been in the court room.

Now what lies and holes in the PCS have been proven?

Do you know why Duane Dipert hasn't been in the courtroom? It seems to have made an impression on you.

[jonikay]

Now what lies and holes in the PCS have been proven?

Do you know why Duane Dipert hasn't been in the courtroom? It seems to have made an impression on you.
To sq's credit (believe it or not!) one lie in the PCS is that KJ said he laid on Nona's body and rubbed his hands on her blood to see how fresh it was. Nothing has been mentioned thus far to support this. What is being supported is that KJ laid on her body to keep her warm. I don't know if RW testified to this, but the defense in their op. st. said that KJ asked RW what to do and RW told him to keep her warm, etc. As far as the alibi portion of the PCS, that will have to be something for the jury to decide when people testify to it. Gma must not have come forward until after or something, bc the pros believes that section of his alibi to be false and KJ doesn't state it like Gma did. If Patterson (or whoever decides this) would have fully believed Gma, he wouldn't have been charged. On the other hand, if he would have fully believed KJ, his alibi before 1 was sketchy, meaning he couldn't remember or left out times, etc. until his 1215-1230 lunch at the Bayou.

[jonikay]

Yes it was hours... Now I really know who you are ;)
Keep in mind this was not the arrest interrogation. It was just his initial court statement about discovery. I'm sure they were looking for a confession, and that's way they kept leaving the room. The officer who conducted the interview testified the leaving the room and leaving the tape on was not intentional, stated it was not the usual way things were conducted, but come on... If he didn't confess during questioning, they were at best hoping for one while he was alone, and they thought all the time was going to crack him down. KJ was consistent. I felt bad when he asked for his parents, like a kid and he really was. I can't blaim Hiram for throwing a chair through the window, although I don't know if this is when that occurred.
Don't be SO sure . . . So, did you follow me home . . . ? (I kid) I know you too, sweetie pie . . .

[jonikay]

Couriernews.com update--complete witness testimony summaries . . . accurate information was in article, that I can tell . . . interesting . . .

[hawgustusgloop]

Witness summaries courtesy of the Courier:
http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15339

[lorettalockhorn]

To sq's credit (believe it or not!) one lie in the PCS is that KJ said he laid on Nona's body and rubbed his hands on her blood to see how fresh it was. Nothing has been mentioned thus far to support this. What is being supported is that KJ laid on her body to keep her warm. I don't know if RW testified to this, but the defense in their op. st. said that KJ asked RW what to do and RW told him to keep her warm, etc. As far as the alibi portion of the PCS, that will have to be something for the jury to decide when people testify to it. Gma must not have come forward until after or something, bc the pros believes that section of his alibi to be false and KJ doesn't state it like Gma did. If Patterson (or whoever decides this) would have fully believed Gma, he wouldn't have been charged. On the other hand, if he would have fully believed KJ, his alibi before 1 was sketchy, meaning he couldn't remember or left out times, etc. until his 1215-1230 lunch at the Bayou.

Aren't there more prosecution witnesses? I do remember reading in the PCS that statement about lying on her and rubbing his hands in the blood. And I haven't read anyone testify to that. But I also thought that there were more prosecution witnesses. It is idiotic in my opinion for a grown man to lie on top of someone with serious injuries in order to keep her warm; that would be detrimental to her respiration and could cause futher trauma. Why didn't someone cover her up with the bedding, for instance?

I'm just amazed that grandmother wasn't one of the fifty or so people interviewed before KJ was arrested. It looks like even if LE didn't come to her that she would have gone to them with his alibi. I'm just flabbergasted.

[lorettalockhorn]

It's not personal, don't know him. But, he should be in the courtroom by Carol's side. If she was not barred due to being on the witness list, I can't imagine he would be.


My understanding is that he cannot be in the courtroom until after he testifies. Did no one mention that?

[jonikay]

Aren't there more prosecution witnesses? I do remember reading in the PCS that statement about lying on her and rubbing his hands in the blood. And I haven't read anyone testify to that. But I also thought that there were more prosecution witnesses. It is idiotic in my opinion for a grown man to lie on top of someone with serious injuries in order to keep her warm; that would be detrimental to her respiration and could cause futher trauma. Why didn't someone cover her up with the bedding, for instance?

I'm just amazed that grandmother wasn't one of the fifty or so people interviewed before KJ was arrested. It looks like even if LE didn't come to her that she would have gone to them with his alibi. I'm just flabbergasted.
I'm with you on the flabbergasted gma part, which makes me think about it's reliability. This is my honest opinion. I wait for Blake Walters, the station worker. It is idiotic to lay on a body to keep her warm, and the respiration part is true, but the pros hasn't said anything about that yet. I would like further explanation on the reasoning behind that. I'm thinking we will prob get more insight into what we've already heard, but the alibi testimonies haven't even began, which is very important to the trial. My guess is the pros is gonna be on Grandma big time.

[jonikay]

My understanding is that he cannot be in the courtroom until after he testifies. Did no one mention that?
That is my understanding as well.

[lorettalockhorn]

You have said that many times. But okay, have it your way, the RPD beating an elderly gentleman to death makes the department look great.

I am not telling you what you think but how you are perceived by me. No my knowledge is definitley not better. I have contended that all along. The state, thanks for RPD, did not thouroughly investigate, and the state was desperate. The RPD was ultimately responsible for the investigation., ASP and SD were supporting agencies and thus far I have not heard what their exact involvement was, so I am assuming pretty much nil.

This is where you told me what I think. Please do not do that.

You can deny it all you want but the facts are there....Your mind is set and your not even willing to take in the many of new things that are being learned that shed a light on the whole picture. That is bias and ignorance, but some things can't be changed. You believe what you want and finagel everything to fit your version

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm with you on the flabbergasted gma part, which makes me think about it's reliability. This is my honest opinion. I wait for Blake Walters, the station worker. It is idiotic to lay on a body to keep her warm, and the respiration part is true, but the pros hasn't said anything about that yet. I would like further explanation on the reasoning behind that. I'm thinking we will prob get more insight into what we've already heard, but the alibi testimonies haven't even began, which is very important to the trial. My guess is the pros is gonna be on Grandma big time.

Believe me, even if the prosecution never says a word about how idiotic it was for KJ to lie on Nona's body, the jury will know. These people likely have plenty of common sense and might find it to be cock and bull like I do. If Nona had still been alive, couldn't lying on her have killed her?

[jonikay]

Carol's a witness, as well and is in there. Being the stepfather, I would think it would be allowed. And yes, I know the witnesses generally aren't allowed untill testimony is over, and exception is being made for Carol, I am assuming the same would have been allowed for Duane. And, like I said it is my understanding he wasn't at the hearings either.
I would think otherwise, being that he will have some hard questions to answer about the cell phone, which has already been talked about during testimony and will some more, I'm sure. Really, sq, think about it . . . it isn't good for him to be in there, imo. Also, didn't at least one of the hearings include info about the cell phone. Maybe he wasn't allowed there either. Won't Frost's testimony be quite interesting?

[jonikay]

Believe me, even if the prosecution never says a word about how idiotic it was for KJ to lie on Nona's body, the jury will know. These people likely have plenty of common sense and might find it to be cock and bull like I do. If Nona had still been alive, couldn't lying on her have killed her?
KJ also talked about a gash in Nona's head, but said he never saw it. He said after Virden or Waid asked him "did you see the gash?" He said no but that he wanted to figure out how she got that way and felt the back of her head and felt something, but couldn't really feel it bc of all her hair. That was weird, imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

KJ also talked about a gash in Nona's head, but said he never saw it. He said after Virden or Waid asked him "did you see the gash?" He said no but that he wanted to figure out how she got that way and felt the back of her head and felt something, but couldn't really feel it bc of all her hair. That was weird, imo.

Oh. My. Gosh.

[jonikay]

I thought you'd enjoy that, lo. I saved it just for you.

[jonikay]

Another thing I thought was important was this: It's been established he was going to a 630 party with his mom at Savannah's in Dardanelle. Janice was the first person scheduled to sing. He stated un vid interview that he had a party at 630 and left the house at 6. I guess he thought they could go from home on Rushing Road to Dardanelle in 30 mins.

[jonikay]

agree with info being left out . . . of course, they surely haven't taken as many notes as I have!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmm... you have no medical background do ya?

Yes, I have some medical background. You?

[lorettalockhorn]

agree with info being left out . . . of course, they surely haven't taken as many notes as I have!

Well, gosh. It's only a ten page front section! How much can they be expected to publish? I just hope that they hit the high notes. It's not like the jury is depending on it for evidence. LMAO

[lorettalockhorn]

You wear a lot of hats then.
For me, 14 years and counting, thank you.

Well, elucidate please. Other than my misspelling of the word further, what was wrong with my post? I had no idea that you were a medical expert.

[jonikay]

So sq, you'll agree that laying on top of a body in order to keep it warm, in turn keeping one alive, is detrimental?

[lorettalockhorn]

Since no one has spoke of his alibi till now and LE contended he didn't have one, what makes you think she didn't and was just brushed off when done? Who knows, at this point, anything is possible.


Because the defense had a motion to dismiss? I don't know the details, but wouldn't they take information to the judge to prove that KJ didn't do this crime?

[jonikay]

Well, saying he thought she was alive, yet obviously seriously injured . . . would that have been detrimental to her, considering he and RW thought she was alive?

[jonikay]

I have to ask . . . would laying on one's severely injured body to keep the body warm had been detrimental if, say . . . Trey did this same thing? I'm sorry, I had to ask.

[lorettalockhorn]

Nor I you, but I do have an education and a work history in the medical field, so what were your qulaifications?

I'm not a medical expert by any stretch of the imagination. I do have medical background although my degree isn't medical, nor is any post graduate study.

Anyway, I just feel certain that a grown man lying on top of a seriously injured person could cause more harm than good. Why didn't one of the three get bedding to cover Nona I wonder? Why did EMS personnel have to repeatedly tell KJ to get off Nona? Does anyone find that odd? Of course, I realize that there was a high level of confusion and hysteria and it was dark and all.

[jonikay]

So, in your opinion, could KJ laying on her body have killed her if she weren't already dead, but just seriously injured?

[lorettalockhorn]

So, in your opinion, could KJ laying on her body have killed her if she weren't already dead, but just seriously injured?

I think the question is moot. He had already told the dispatcher that she didn't have a pulse and that he thought that she was dead.

[jonikay]

So, I wonder what his reasoning for laying on top of her was if he thought she was dead . . .

[lorettalockhorn]

So, I wonder what his reasoning for laying on top of her was if he thought she was dead . . .

According to the State, it was to taint the scene.

[lorettalockhorn]

Head and neck injuries were only visible wounds here. By this point, per KJ body cold, lips cold stiff...... Too late at this point to worry about internal injuries.

Oh, I missed this earlier. Don't you think that when he turned her over that he might have mistaken the lividity for a wound or evidence of trauma? Or was it too dark to see?

[FDInLaw]

No, do you? And, yes, it has? He wasn't there for either hearing either, as I understand it. And, I know he wasn't barred from those. If so, please enlighten and possibly I might change my opinion. Yes it had made an impression. He should be there to support Carol.

Go back and :read: over the last couple days posts. I don't care to repost. If you find them you find them, if you don't you don't. If you believe facts you believe, if you don't you don't. More half-truths and misrepresentations than out right lies, but they are there.
If you recall, the first hearing was about the cell phone. Duane Dipert was there, he just could not be in the hearing since it was possible that he might be called to testify. He sat in another room. Also, before you continue your ever heartless attack on Carol and her loved ones, he has been banned from the courtroom. Yeah, it would sure be nice if he was allowed to be in there to support Carol. Good grief, susieQ. . . have a heart. I for one am disgusted by your self-proclaimed "innocent till proven guilty" high horse. You are all to quick to incriminate others merely for doing something you think is "weird." You don't live by the ITPG principle so I for one wish you would stop your hypocritical harping on it.

[sololobo]

It is not uncommon for paramedics to have to get people away from dead or injured loved ones. So be it here. I find nothing suspicious about this. I do think it ridiculous to contend he spent all that time on her body to contaminate the crime scene. That is unbelievable.

[sololobo]

If you recall, the first hearing was about the cell phone. Duane Dipert was there, he just could not be in the hearing since it was possible that he might be called to testify. He sat in another room. Also, before you continue your ever heartless attack on Carol and her loved ones, he has been banned from the courtroom. Yeah, it would sure be nice if he was allowed to be in there to support Carol. Good grief, susieQ. . . have a heart. I for one am disgusted by your self-proclaimed "innocent till proven guilty" high horse. You are all to quick to incriminate others merely for doing something you think is "weird." You don't live by the ITPG principle so I for one wish you would stop your hypocritical harping on it.

To be fair, FD, Jones appears to be mostly "convicted" on this board because he did things that we think "weird"....thats strange, thats suspicious, thats creepy...Jones must have done it. To me, it is just as absurd to think Jones did it for a interpretive "weird" act as it is to think anyone did it because of a "weird" act. I want to see evidence, not interpreted "suspicious" weird actions. And if Jones is proved to be innocent, then we all on this board stand accused of "heartless attacks" on Jones and his loved ones.

The prosecution is not finished. I am going to straddle this fence until they are. I'm sure the prosecution is going to present strong evidence in the next few days and I want to hear it. I hope its soon....this fence is getting mighty uncomfortable on my old rump:)

[FDInLaw]

To be fair, FD, Jones appears to be mostly "convicted" on this board because he did things that we think "weird"....thats strange, thats suspicious, thats creepy...Jones must have done it. To me, it is just as absurd to think Jones did it for a interpretive "weird" act as it is to think anyone did it because of a "weird" act. I want to see evidence, not interpreted "suspicious" weird actions. And if Jones is proved to be innocent, then we all on this board stand accused of "heartless attacks" on Jones and his loved ones.

The prosecution is not finished. I am going to straddle this fence until they are. I'm sure the prosecution is going to present strong evidence in the next few days and I want to hear it. I hope its soon....this fence is getting mighty uncomfortable on my old rump:)
I disagree. The conviction that Jones maybe guilty has not been based solely on "weird" behavior. The folks that do this don't just stick with one person. . . one week it was Duane Dipert. . . he's "weird" he must have done it. The next, oh look the defense mentioned JM he must have done it (no evidence given by the defense by the way). This week, Trey looks nervous on the stand, that's "weird" so now he must have done it. DO you see a pattern here? The agenda for some is to cast suspicion elsewhere. . . anyone BUT Kevin. Bring up Kevin and you'll get a tirade of "innocent till proven guilty" but if anyone else does ANYTHING "weird" they are now a prime suspect, never mind they might have been out of town or had no motive and there was NO physical evidence. Neither side have made a complete argument in the trial. There is still more to come. Unlike some of the others, I think you are wise to wait a bit to form a final conclusion.

[christina]

After a good nights sleep, I am getting ready to sit through the trial agian today. I read through the posts from yesterday/last night. Many of you talk about "evidence", and waiting to "hear" something. The only place you are getting that is through someone elses biased view, someone elses opinion. I include myself in that list.
The importance of a jury trial is even clearer to me now. Unless you sit in there and hear everything presented, you really can not judge.

[chambord]

After a good nights sleep, I am getting ready to sit through the trial agian today. I read through the posts from yesterday/last night. Many of you talk about "evidence", and waiting to "hear" something. The only place you are getting that is through someone elses biased view, someone elses opinion. I include myself in that list.
The importance of a jury trial is even clearer to me now. Unless you sit in there and hear everything presented, you really can not judge.

I agree....I'm so glad you will be going today. Its strange following a trial without seeing the actual proceedings. Facial expressions, demeanor, a lot can be learned by observing those.

Looking forward to hearing what you bring us later today.

[FDInLaw]

This is it folks, Kevin finally gets his day in court and his defense team has the chance to come against what the State presented in the PCS. It is at this point that we all get to see both sides and determine for ourselves what seems factual and what does not. There have only been two days of testimony, most of which was individual accounts. The evidence in the case has yet to be discussed in full. I'm a tad disappointed in the folks that have already declared this process over in their minds. There is much to be laid out still. Come on gang, don't throw in the towel just yet. We are all going to hear things we didn't know, and some facts we held onto strongly to will be questioned and we may be required to let them go. Personally, I'm excited about this whole process. I just want to know what happened. Like most everyone else, I have come to conclusions about this case. However, now I get to learn whether or not the facts that added in me in my conclusion were indeed worthy of my regard. Now they will be tested. I suggest that all of us do our darnedest to embrace the process of questioning. . . to consciously open our minds. None of us were present when this hideous crime was committed. None of us have every detail worked out. We are all probably right about a few things and wrong about a great deal more. This isn't about egos (or it shouldn't be). . . this is a quest for the truth. Let's see it through together! :patriot:

[chambord]

This is it folks, Kevin finally gets his day in court and his defense team has the chance to come against what the State presented in the PCS. It is at this point that we all get to see both sides and determine for ourselves what seems factual and what does not. There have only been two days of testimony, most of which was individual accounts. The evidence in the case has yet to be discussed in full. I'm a tad disappointed in the folks that have already declared this process over in their minds. There is much to be laid out still. Come on gang, don't throw in the towel just yet. We are all going to hear things we didn't know, and some facts we held onto strongly to will be questioned and we may be required to let them go. Personally, I'm excited about this whole process. I just want to know what happened. Like most everyone else, I have come to conclusions about this case. However, now I get to learn whether or not the facts that added in me in my conclusion were indeed worthy of my regard. Now they will be tested. I suggest that all of us do our darnedest to embrace the process of questioning. . . to consciously open our minds. None of us were present when this hideous crime was committed. None of us have every detail worked out. We are all probably right about a few things and wrong about a great deal more. This isn't about egos (or it shouldn't be). . . this is a quest for the truth. Let's see it through together! :patriot:


Great post...I came upon this case with an open mind...I had no idea who Nona was, nor anyone else in the sphere of Nona's life. I'm learning a little each day as to who everyone is, and what contributations they made to Nona's short life. I can say, I still have an open mind and will wait till I hear both the prosecution and defense arguments before coming to any conclusions.

[FDInLaw]

After a good nights sleep, I am getting ready to sit through the trial agian today. I read through the posts from yesterday/last night. Many of you talk about "evidence", and waiting to "hear" something. The only place you are getting that is through someone elses biased view, someone elses opinion. I include myself in that list.
The importance of a jury trial is even clearer to me now. Unless you sit in there and hear everything presented, you really can not judge. :seeya: It's good to see you posting. Please come back and share your thoughts tonight.

[2lakes]

After reading all the testimony I sure do wish I could be in the courtroom. Sorry if all these links have already been posted. I usually post over at CTV.

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15339

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15332

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15334

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15331

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15330

[FDInLaw]

After reading all the testimony I sure do wish I could be in the courtroom. Sorry if all these links have already been posted. I usually post over at CTV.

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15339

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15332

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15334

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15331

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15330 :eek: Is that really you? Welcome back stranger! :seeya:

[hawgustusgloop]

After reading all the testimony I sure do wish I could be in the courtroom. Sorry if all these links have already been posted. I usually post over at CTV.

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15339

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15332

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15334

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15331

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15330

Wow! Aren't you the one who started this 100-pages-plus thread?

[FDInLaw]

Wow! Aren't you the one who started this 100-pages-plus thread?
Yep, she be! Now if we could get lobsters back it would be like old times!

[lorettalockhorn]

After reading all the testimony I sure do wish I could be in the courtroom. Sorry if all these links have already been posted. I usually post over at CTV.

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15339

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15332

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15334

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15331

http://www.couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15330

Hey 2lakes! Long time no see. :seeya:

In today's Courier there is a rundown of RW's testimony. One thing that he clarified was his statement about it being "weird" to knock on Nona's door. He said that it might be awkward were she to open the door to someone who did not normally visit her. (Makes sense to me.)

Also from The Courier: He was questioned extensively by Phillips about a previous statement in which he said while Jones was "straddling" the body "I tried to kind of grab him and pull him away, but he got back down."
Phillips said Whiteside contradicted that statement during a Jan. 8, 2006 interview, saying that he had encouraged Jones to "keep her warm."
Whiteside denied any recall of the first statement Wednesday, saying he encouraged Jones to "keep doing what you're doing."
Whiteside was also challenged by {hillips after he told the courtroom Jones cheated on Dirksmeyer "just once." Phillips quoted a previous statement in which Whiteside, when asked the same question, said "I know of times that that's happened."

[lorettalockhorn]

There are twelve or more paragraphs about Sgt. Waid's testimony and the article is cut off.

According to Waid's testimony, the RPD has no policy in effect pertaining to the preservation of evidence and no specific procedure for preserving a crime scene, admissions which the defense seized upon to question whether or not the department acted, in Bristow's words, in a manner that was "acurate," "honest," "fair and impartial," and free from "tunnel vision."

This section focuses more on narrative and Bristow's questions than it actually does quotations from the testimony, but it's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that RPD doesn't have cell phone data preservation techniques. Wonder why they didn't at least Google?

They also covered that KJ had no wounds from a struggle.

There is a separate article noting that the jury reacted to Waid['s testimony.

[jonikay]

To be fair, FD, Jones appears to be mostly "convicted" on this board because he did things that we think "weird"....thats strange, thats suspicious, thats creepy...Jones must have done it. To me, it is just as absurd to think Jones did it for a interpretive "weird" act as it is to think anyone did it because of a "weird" act. I want to see evidence, not interpreted "suspicious" weird actions. And if Jones is proved to be innocent, then we all on this board stand accused of "heartless attacks" on Jones and his loved ones.

The prosecution is not finished. I am going to straddle this fence until they are. I'm sure the prosecution is going to present strong evidence in the next few days and I want to hear it. I hope its soon....this fence is getting mighty uncomfortable on my old rump:)

I, for one, have not convicted KJ, unless you count that one time I typed convicted and meant charged (stupid mistake, I know). I have to say that my viewpoint has changed since sitting in on the trial, in that I am listening and taking information with an open mind. The paper and other media does not tell the whole story, neither do the posters on this site (me included). We simply do not have the time. I have taken over 30 pages of notes from just one and a half days of being there. I have not missed one statement or question that the jury has heard when sitting there. I have extensive notes on the trial and I understand completely that yesterday made 2 days of trial for KJ. There hasn't been much talk of alibi or discussion about bloody prints on a murder weapon. To make a cemented decision thus far in the trial is absurd and quite unfair. I have tried to give an account of what I have heard in the case and as of yet, neither side has proved much of anything in regards to the case against Kevin. I consider it normal to hear videotaped interrogations and the like and we pick the evidence/statements made during the trial apart just like the jury will. I am sure that everything that's happened so far has been the norm in a murder case, including trying to make it sound to a jury that someone else may have committed the crime. Going by the PCS, which got KJ charged in the first place (am I right?) does not mean that a person is being "unfair" imo, it means that a person is being logical and taking actions stated in the PCS as the most likely actions to have occurred. I have found out, by being there 1st hand, that the PCS is nothing compared to what will be discussed in the trial. Innocent until proven guilty has not been anybody's motto that I have seen on this forum. :shrug:

[jonikay]

There are twelve or more paragraphs about Sgt. Waid's testimony and the article is cut off.

According to Waid's testimony, the RPD has no policy in effect pertaining to the preservation of evidence and no specific procedure for preserving a crime scene, admissions which the defense seized upon to question whether or not the department acted, in Bristow's words, in a manner that was "acurate," "honest," "fair and impartial," and free from "tunnel vision."

This section focuses more on narrative and Bristow's questions than it actually does quotations from the testimony, but it's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that RPD doesn't have cell phone data preservation techniques. Wonder why they didn't at least Google?

They also covered that KJ had no wounds from a struggle.

There is a separate article noting that the jury reacted to Waid['s testimony.
It's also been discussed, though not proved by an ME yet, that Nona was attacked from behind, with the whole attack taking just a few minutes.

[jonikay]

No the conviction from hear has been also based on circumstantial evidence, extremely lacking medial coverage, lots of hearsay and half truths IMO.
The bloody palm print, imo, is not circumstantial evidence. The determining factor is whether the defense or prosecution explains their case the best. As far as lacking media coverage, I attribute that to the gag order, the lack of physical space in the community newspaper (or time on a news channel), and the fact that neither side wanted to divulge their thoughts, opinions, or case matter to anyone even before the gag order. Hearsay and half truths . . . well, imo's have been all over most every post on here. I wouldn't categorize a blatant and purposeful misrepresentation of information, I would categorize that as an overall lack of information, with hearsay and half truths being all one has known as some points. But, both of those have been posted as such, imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

To be fair, FD, Jones appears to be mostly "convicted" on this board because he did things that we think "weird"....thats strange, thats suspicious, thats creepy...Jones must have done it. To me, it is just as absurd to think Jones did it for a interpretive "weird" act as it is to think anyone did it because of a "weird" act. I want to see evidence, not interpreted "suspicious" weird actions. And if Jones is proved to be innocent, then we all on this board stand accused of "heartless attacks" on Jones and his loved ones.

The prosecution is not finished. I am going to straddle this fence until they are. I'm sure the prosecution is going to present strong evidence in the next few days and I want to hear it. I hope its soon....this fence is getting mighty uncomfortable on my old rump:)

I think that many of us who have a tendency to believe in KJ's guilt because of the little information that we had (partly due to the gag order stifling the defense), do want to hear the evidence. Many of us have admitted freely that what we have before us up to this point is limited and that what is to come is important.

[lorettalockhorn]

Aside: Whether we are in the courtroom, reading the paper, and/or reading what is posted here (or any combination) doesn't mean that we don't all have every right to ideate what may have happened that night.

[FDInLaw]

Hey 2lakes! Long time no see. :seeya:

In today's Courier there is a rundown of RW's testimony. One thing that he clarified was his statement about it being "weird" to knock on Nona's door. He said that it might be awkward were she to open the door to someone who did not normally visit her. (Makes sense to me.)

Also from The Courier: He was questioned extensively by Phillips about a previous statement in which he said while Jones was "straddling" the body "I tried to kind of grab him and pull him away, but he got back down."
Phillips said Whiteside contradicted that statement during a Jan. 8, 2006 interview, saying that he had encouraged Jones to "keep her warm."
Whiteside denied any recall of the first statement Wednesday, saying he encouraged Jones to "keep doing what you're doing."
Whiteside was also challenged by {hillips after he told the courtroom Jones cheated on Dirksmeyer "just once." Phillips quoted a previous statement in which Whiteside, when asked the same question, said "I know of times that that's happened."
From all I've read about Whiteside's testimony it appears he had a hard time keeping his story straight. I really feel for these kids. Not only is it extremely nerve wracking but I'm sure in Ryan didn't want to say anything that would be bad for Kevin. Imagine that pressure. That said though, I'm not impressed by the number of inconsistencies. JMO

[jonikay]

Maybe if the media had covered things fairly and accurately to begin with and tried to convey the WHOLE picture, maybe a gag order wouldn't have to be in effect? :shrug:
Do you really think that they had the time to convey the WHOLE picture? If they would have lied, they would have been sued, just like the Whiteside's did for the alleged rape story.

[FDInLaw]

What's the latest from the courtroom? I heard that Frost was to take the stand this morning. :shrug:

[jonikay]

The courier is kind of down at the moment. I take that to mean they could be updating us right now! I would have loved to see the Frost testimony.

[hoglover]

I have been reading this thread for 3 days, from the beginning. I love to read the posts made by FDinLaw, Chamboard, 2lakes, dtbh, and Valleygirl. I feel I have gained more insight to this case from their posts. I actually found this forum listed on the infamous "pageant board" everyone talks about. I have read all the articles, blogs, and PCS. I solely base MY OP on the PCS, KJ did do some "WEIRD" things. I see there are a lot of strong OPS here, and just because one thinks he MAY be guilty doesn't mean others MAY not believe that. Everyone here is entitled to just that, their OP!! I would like to see one thing, JUSTICE 4 NONA! She is the victim here!!:shrug:

[jonikay]

Actually, yes I do think they had the time, just not the heart. Ratings may not have been as good if they were bias and at least attempted to be ethical.
They would have had pages and pages and pages day after day. That's not the only news the county has had in the past year and a half. It's just not possible for them to tell us everything.

[FDInLaw]

I have been reading this thread for 3 days, from the beginning. I love to read the posts made by FDinLaw, Chamboard, 2lakes, dtbh, and Valleygirl. I feel I have gained more insight to this case from their posts. I actually found this forum listed on the infamous "pageant board" everyone talks about. I have read all the articles, blogs, and PCS. I solely base MY OP on the PCS, KJ did do some "WEIRD" things. I see there are a lot of strong OPS here, and just because one thinks he MAY be guilty doesn't mean others MAY not believe that. Everyone here is entitled to just that, their OP!! I would like to see one thing, JUSTICE 4 NONA! She is the victim here!!:shrug:
Hey! :seeya: Welcome to the board! You have my respect already if you can hang over on that pageant board. It scares me. . . :chicken:


:biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Front page; there are several articles:

http://couriernews.com/

I think these are all of the individual links available so far:

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15351

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15350

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15352

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15345

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been reading this thread for 3 days, from the beginning. I love to read the posts made by FDinLaw, Chamboard, 2lakes, dtbh, and Valleygirl. I feel I have gained more insight to this case from their posts. I actually found this forum listed on the infamous "pageant board" everyone talks about. I have read all the articles, blogs, and PCS. I solely base MY OP on the PCS, KJ did do some "WEIRD" things. I see there are a lot of strong OPS here, and just because one thinks he MAY be guilty doesn't mean others MAY not believe that. Everyone here is entitled to just that, their OP!! I would like to see one thing, JUSTICE 4 NONA! She is the victim here!!:shrug:

Good to see you here. I didn't realize that the pageant board still had that information up; haven't read over there in a long time.

[FDInLaw]

Blake Walters, a former employee of the Jones family's gas station, testified he did not see Jones until about 2:45 on the afternoon of the murder.

Didn't the PCS state 1pm?

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15355

[lorettalockhorn]

Didn't the PCS state 1pm?

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15355

Correct about the timing according to the PCS.

Thanks for the link!

[FDInLaw]

An engineer from Cingular wireless gave testimony about calls and text messages sent and received by both Dirksmeyer and Jones on the day of the murder. He also testified about the location of Jones' cell phone during those calls on the day of the murder. http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15355


I'm dying to hear more about location!

[jonikay]

It seems like things have turned a bit today, what do ya'll think?

[FDInLaw]

At the detectives’ request, Jones provides a timeline as to his whereabouts on the day of the murder. He stated he woke sometime between 9 and 10 a.m. after receiving a call from his grandmother, Norma Tate Jones. He later opened the door of his parents’ home on Rushing Road in Dover to Al Frazier, a contractor, so Frazier could examine a leaky bathtub. After Frazier left, he said he cleaned his room, washed some clothes and took some trash and clothes intended for MARVA Sheltered Workshop to his vehicle. From there, he told officers he went to his parents’ gas station, located between Russellville and Dover, and talked to Blake Walters, after which he met friend Jeremy Huggins at the Bayou Bridge Cafe in Dover for lunch at about 12:30 p.m. The rest of the day was spent with Huggins, other friends and Janice Jones, the defendant’s mother.

http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=15351
I'm anxious to hear Jeremy Huggins's testimony.

[hoglover]

Good to see you here. I didn't realize that the pageant board still had that information up; haven't read over there in a long time.

There is a special thread just for the case on the pageant board. It's called Justice 4 Nona!

[ordanja]

First of all I would like to say that I have loved reading everyone's post. And that everyone truly has there own op. and thats why we have freedom of speech. So I would also have to think that no one should get offended, because in all reality this has nothing to do with any of us. But with Nona, Kevin, and their families; although this case is so very interesting. Now I feel the need to comment on Duane Dipert. Imo, I don't think Duane would be in the court room with Carol even if he wasn't banned from the court room, which I don't think he is. Also, we do know that det. Frost gave the phone back to Duane. Why did he feel the need to erase the entire sim card and then use the phone for his own personal use?? This sounds very sick to me. Why did he not give it to Carol, so she could make it a keep-sake or something?? I think Duane is very suspecious, imo, and he was also one of the 3 people who had a key to her apartment. I think that the Det. and RPD should have looked more into other people and what they were doing, because as I have read, Duane doesn't have an alibi, except that he was sleeping. And just to remind you that Carol and Duane just live up the hill from where Nona's apartment was. You can actually walk up the hill and there is her moms house. Just something I thought I would add.

[lorettalockhorn]

There is a special thread just for the case on the pageant board. It's called Justice 4 Nona!

Thanks Hog. I haven't read over there in a long time. Do you have a link?

[lorettalockhorn]

First of all I would like to say that I have loved reading everyone's post. And that everyone truly has there own op. and thats why we have freedom of speech. So I would also have to think that no one should get offended, because in all reality this has nothing to do with any of us. But with Nona, Kevin, and their families; although this case is so very interesting. Now I feel the need to comment on Duane Dipert. Imo, I don't think Duane would be in the court room with Carol even if he wasn't banned from the court room, which I don't think he is. Also, we do know that det. Frost gave the phone back to Duane. Why did he feel the need to erase the entire sim card and then use the phone for his own personal use?? This sounds very sick to me. Why did he not give it to Carol, so she could make it a keep-sake or something?? I think Duane is very suspecious, imo, and he was also one of the 3 people who had a key to her apartment. I think that the Det. and RPD should have looked more into other people and what they were doing, because as I have read, Duane doesn't have an alibi, except that he was sleeping. And just to remind you that Carol and Duane just live up the hill from where Nona's apartment was. You can actually walk up the hill and there is her moms house. Just something I thought I would add.

Good to see you here.

I don't have a clue about why Dipert or anyone else would want to use the phone or any other piece of evidence.

It's completely and totally asinine that RPD gave him the phone. And it would be asinine if they had given it to anyone else. The issue is chain of custody.

[hawgustusgloop]

I think that many of us who have a tendency to believe in KJ's guilt because of the little information that we had (partly due to the gag order stifling the defense), do want to hear the evidence. Many of us have admitted freely that what we have before us up to this point is limited and that what is to come is important.

I agree completely. Why else would we be trying to follow the trial so closely and reading every article we can find? Why not just ignore the trial and wait to see the verdict? I think most of us here just want to know what the truth is, regardless of whom we have tended to believe may have committed this crime.

[FDInLaw]

First of all I would like to say that I have loved reading everyone's post. And that everyone truly has there own op. and thats why we have freedom of speech. So I would also have to think that no one should get offended, because in all reality this has nothing to do with any of us. But with Nona, Kevin, and their families; although this case is so very interesting. Now I feel the need to comment on Duane Dipert. Imo, I don't think Duane would be in the court room with Carol even if he wasn't banned from the court room, which I don't think he is. Also, we do know that det. Frost gave the phone back to Duane. Why did he feel the need to erase the entire sim card and then use the phone for his own personal use?? This sounds very sick to me. Why did he not give it to Carol, so she could make it a keep-sake or something?? I think Duane is very suspecious, imo, and he was also one of the 3 people who had a key to her apartment. I think that the Det. and RPD should have looked more into other people and what they were doing, because as I have read, Duane doesn't have an alibi, except that he was sleeping. And just to remind you that Carol and Duane just live up the hill from where Nona's apartment was. You can actually walk up the hill and there is her moms house. Just something I thought I would add. Where have you read that Duane Dipert does not have an alibi? Link please. Also, have you walked the distance between the Dipert's house and Nona's apartment? They don't live right at the top of the hill. You need to do some more research. The thought of Duane sleeping during the day is comical by the way. Whomever you got your info from does not know what they are talking about. Glad you felt comfortable posting these rumors here. Welcome to the board! :seeya:

[FDInLaw]

Thanks Hog. I haven't read over there in a long time. Do you have a link?

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1183752796

[hoglover]

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1183752796

Thanks FD! You're good! I'm not as fast as you. I can see I can always count on you for those links to everything. You do at least back up all your statements! Unlike some!:D

[ordanja]

Where have you read that Duane Dipert does not have an alibi? Link please. Also, have you walked the distance between the Dipert's house and Nona's apartment? They don't live right at the top of the hill. You need to do some more research. The thought of Duane sleeping during the day is comical by the way. Whomever you got your info from does not know what they are talking about. Glad you felt comfortable posting these rumors here. Welcome to the board! :seeya:


The only alibi he has is from 9:00 to 11:00 am. Because he already had his receipts together for the cops before they even questioned him. And I didn't read this anywhere. I was told first hand by a resource!! And I have walked up most of that hill and I can see there house, so its there!! And Duane sleeping, thats just want he told the RPD!! And I wouldn't say that these are rumors, there just not facts that the common public would know. Because the media only covered the story on what KJ had done wrong, because he was the bf. Which makes a great front page headline!! You know just as well as me that the media never said anything about any other suspects...just KJ!!

[hoglover]

The only alibi he has is from 9:00 to 11:00 am. Because he already had his receipts together for the cops before they even questioned him. And I didn't read this anywhere. I was told first hand by a resource!! And I have walked up most of that hill and I can see there house, so its there!! And Duane sleeping, thats just want he told the RPD!! And I wouldn't say that these are rumors, there just not facts that the common public would know. Because the media only covered the story on what KJ had done wrong, because he was the bf. Which makes a great front page headline!! You know just as well as me that the media never said anything about any other suspects...just KJ!!

I know FD, you are all over this one! You can't just come on here, throw around accusations, and not have something to back it up. It just doesn't work that way. Hear say is all this adds up to.

[lorettalockhorn]

The only alibi he has is from 9:00 to 11:00 am. Because he already had his receipts together for the cops before they even questioned him. And I didn't read this anywhere. I was told first hand by a resource!! And I have walked up most of that hill and I can see there house, so its there!! And Duane sleeping, thats just want he told the RPD!! And I wouldn't say that these are rumors, there just not facts that the common public would know. Because the media only covered the story on what KJ had done wrong, because he was the bf. Which makes a great front page headline!! You know just as well as me that the media never said anything about any other suspects...just KJ!!


You lost me. The media never said anything about other suspects, yet you know about DD's lack of alibi? Do you have a source? Or a link? For sure, some of us have posted blatant rumors her; but they are usually labelled as such.

[ordanja]

I know FD, you are all over this one! You can't just come on here, throw around accusations, and not have something to back it up. It just doesn't work that way. Hear say is all this adds up to.

Ok. I'm not just trying to come on here and throw accusations around. I do have someone to back me up. I am not allowed to even say who this person is. I just thought I would put what I know on here. I know its hard to believe when u don't have written proof, but there are lots of things that people believe in and have never even seen it!! And I just don't like Duane!! I'm sorry if I have offended ya'll.

[hawgustusgloop]

From one of those Courier articles:

"Jones said he entered the room and “saw her laying there with blood all underneath her head,” later saying “I don’t know why somebody would break in and hit her on the back of the head.” "

This statement really creeps me out.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok. I'm not just trying to come on here and throw accusations around. I do have someone to back me up. I am not allowed to even say who this person is. I just thought I would put what I know on here. I know its hard to believe when u don't have written proof, but there are lots of things that people believe in and have never even seen it!! And I just don't like Duane!! I'm sorry if I have offended ya'll.


hmmm Someone who has access to the inner workings of the case. Sounds like that would be someone who would be bound by the gag order.

Maybe since you don't like Duane, you are biased.

[FDInLaw]

Ok. I'm not just trying to come on here and throw accusations around. I do have someone to back me up. I am not allowed to even say who this person is. I just thought I would put what I know on here. I know its hard to believe when u don't have written proof, but there are lots of things that people believe in and have never even seen it!! And I just don't like Duane!! I'm sorry if I have offended ya'll.
So basically you've just come on here to slander someone you don't like? That's big of you. Should the defense decided to go after Duane Dipert, I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to hear his alibi.


In the mean time, let your source know that their info is old.
;)

[jonikay]

Hi mom-in-law! :seeya: Give me a call!

[lorettalockhorn]

From one of those Courier articles:

"Jones said he entered the room and “saw her laying there with blood all underneath her head,” later saying “I don’t know why somebody would break in and hit her on the back of the head.” "

This statement really creeps me out.


Me too. So did his statement about her meeting him and that he pretty much saved her life. But I wonder if it would have been so eerie if he wasn't standing trial. At any rate, it sounds so narcissitic.

[hawgustusgloop]

Ok. I'm not just trying to come on here and throw accusations around. I do have someone to back me up. I am not allowed to even say who this person is. I just thought I would put what I know on here. I know its hard to believe when u don't have written proof, but there are lots of things that people believe in and have never even seen it!! And I just don't like Duane!! I'm sorry if I have offended ya'll.

So, ordanja comes on here essentially casting suspicion on Nona's stepfather, with no hard evidence to back up what he or she is saying, except for some imaginary friend, er, "resource" that cannot be named? I can only speak for myself, but I am more amused than offended. When this type of post suddenly pops up, I mostly just get nostalgic because it reminds me of our old friends Birdie1, gentilben, and LewisM.

[lorettalockhorn]

So, ordanja comes on here essentially casting suspicion on Nona's stepfather, with no hard evidence to back up what he or she is saying, except for some imaginary friend, er, "resource" that cannot be named? I can only speak for myself, but I am more amused than offended. When this type of post suddenly pops up, I mostly just get nostalgic because it reminds me of our old friends Birdie1, gentilben, and LewisM.


Is that so different from people who have quit listening for new evidence to be presented; the ones who think that another man who also isn't on trial is guilty?

[FDInLaw]

So, ordanja comes on here essentially casting suspicion on Nona's stepfather, with no hard evidence to back up what he or she is saying, except for some imaginary friend, er, "resource" that cannot be named? I can only speak for myself, but I am more amused than offended. When this type of post suddenly pops up, I mostly just get nostalgic because it reminds me of our old friends Birdie1, gentilben, and LewisM.

:lol: Oh, you're killing me! I was thinking that same thing. I actually prefer this sort and miss those good ol' days. Strait forward slander is much easier to deal with than behind the scenes bulling! Wouldn't it just be too funny if this "new" person is one of our long lost pals? The old gang is showing up one by one! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

:lol: Oh, you're killing me! I was thinking that same thing. I actually prefer this sort and miss those good ol' days. Strait forward slander is much easier to deal with than behind the scenes bulling! Wouldn't it just be too funny if this "new" person is one of our long lost pals? The old gang is showing up one by one! :beer:

hehehe Every board community needs a passive agressive type to balance things out.

[ordanja]

I have been reading everything that ya'll have been saying since before the trial started. And I do have a resource, but thats not important. I loved Nona, and Kevin is a great guy. I talked to Nona numerouse times when we were in high school and Kevin too. We were all friends. But the most important thing for me is that Nona's killer be prosecuted. I'm not saying Kevin did it or didn't do it, but it is so hard for me to believe that he did. I just remember some times when she would talk about her crazy dads (her real dad and step-dad). So maybe I am a little against Duane and I probably shouldn't be. Its just so rediculous that it has been a year and a half since that terrible day and what IF Kevin IS proven innocent?? Then they have to start looking again for the real perp who did it!! It is so hard to have been friends with both of them and to try to say what you think about the whole situation. :shrug:

[hoglover]

So, ordanja comes on here essentially casting suspicion on Nona's stepfather, with no hard evidence to back up what he or she is saying, except for some imaginary friend, er, "resource" that cannot be named? I can only speak for myself, but I am more amused than offended. When this type of post suddenly pops up, I mostly just get nostalgic because it reminds me of our old friends Birdie1, gentilben, and LewisM.

I will say I haven't been on here long, but have read everyone of their posts and this is characteristic to them. I also read Frost's post that disclaimed them being investigators also. HMMM.... Maybe another one of those posters trying to throw a twist on things.

[hawgustusgloop]

KFSM posted an update for today:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6780872

"This afternoon, jurors will hear from medical examiners, and from Jones's mother who was with him when he discovered Dirksmeyer's body."

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been reading everything that ya'll have been saying since before the trial started. And I do have a resource, but thats not important. I loved Nona, and Kevin is a great guy. I talked to Nona numerouse times when we were in high school and Kevin too. We were all friends. But the most important thing for me is that Nona's killer be prosecuted. I'm not saying Kevin did it or didn't do it, but it is so hard for me to believe that he did. I just remember some times when she would talk about her crazy dads (her real dad and step-dad). So maybe I am a little against Duane and I probably shouldn't be. Its just so rediculous that it has been a year and a half since that terrible day and what IF Kevin IS proven innocent?? Then they have to start looking again for the real perp who did it!! It is so hard to have been friends with both of them and to try to say what you think about the whole situation. :shrug:

Surely we all want justice for Nona. Most of us would freely agree that that does not include a wrongful conviction.

I highly doubt that Kevin will be found innocent; not guilty, maybe.

[hoglover]

From one of those Courier articles:

"Jones said he entered the room and “saw her laying there with blood all underneath her head,” later saying “I don’t know why somebody would break in and hit her on the back of the head.” "

This statement really creeps me out.

I read this article also. Did you read this the same way I did? He knew she was hit on the back of the head before anyone told him that???!!!

[jonikay]

He knew she had a "gash" (his exact words) before he was told, too.

[lorettalockhorn]

He knew she had a "gash" (his exact words) before he was told, too.

I read (somewhere) that he felt the gash; touched the wound. Of course, he had to have realized that she had a relatively massive head wound when he saw her face down.

Unless it was too dark.

[jonikay]

He said something about the gash. The dec said, "what do you know about a gash?" He said that he wanted to see how she got that way and he felt the back of her head and all the blood, but couldn't see anything bc of her hair and he felt hair. The dec (Virden) was taken aback when he mentioned the gash. That he explained it as a "gash" is probably what threw him for a loop.

[lorettalockhorn]

KFSM posted an update for today:

http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6780872

"This afternoon, jurors will hear from medical examiners, and from Jones's mother who was with him when he discovered Dirksmeyer's body."

Thanks for posting hawg. The defense seems to be putting him in and out of the station as early as 11:15 and the prosecution seems to be moving that back from 1:00 now to 3:00. I guess he didn't work very long before time to get ready to be mom's escort. I'm really curious as to what kind of work schedule he had; did he normally only put in a couple of hours a day? (Not that it means anything, just for my own edification.)

[jonikay]

He wasn't working at the station, just hanging out.

[FDInLaw]

I have been reading everything that ya'll have been saying since before the trial started. And I do have a resource, but thats not important. I loved Nona, and Kevin is a great guy. I talked to Nona numerouse times when we were in high school and Kevin too. We were all friends. But the most important thing for me is that Nona's killer be prosecuted. I'm not saying Kevin did it or didn't do it, but it is so hard for me to believe that he did. I just remember some times when she would talk about her crazy dads (her real dad and step-dad). So maybe I am a little against Duane and I probably shouldn't be. Its just so rediculous that it has been a year and a half since that terrible day and what IF Kevin IS proven innocent?? Then they have to start looking again for the real perp who did it!! It is so hard to have been friends with both of them and to try to say what you think about the whole situation. :shrug: Your post here seems sweet natured. Thank you for sharing your relation to all this. You have my sympathy. . . it must be extremely hard to even imagine that Kevin did this. I've been wise cracking a bit, but I mean this sincerely. I agree with you, it's ridiculous that a year and half has passed. Praying that somehow truth prevails (whatever that may be). Hugs ~ FD

:rose: Justice For Nona! :rose:

[hawgustusgloop]

I read (somewhere) that he felt the gash; touched the wound. Of course, he had to have realized that she had a relatively massive head wound when he saw her face down.

Unless it was too dark.

Wasn't there debate at some point about which position she was in? I thought I remembered that maybe K.Jo said somewhere that she was face up when he found her, but that the evidence showed that she was face down for several hours after her death. I may have that reversed, but I remember some conflict about it. Can someone help me clear this up or am I forced to go back and :read: ? TIA.

[Sasha1122]

I've been following the news closely on this case. My daughter attends college at ATU, so I was naturally concerned when Nona was murdered. I can tell you that Ryan Whiteside, Chelsea Huckaby, and Kevin Jones are not the kind of people I would consider credible in a court of law. Their behavior, including their conflicting reports to police on several occasions (including the day of Nona's murder AND the night of the party at Ryan Whiteside's) prove that anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. What a bunch of lowlifes!

A bloody palm print on a lamp that belongs to KJ, his muttered prayers during interrogation, "I'm so sorry"...., his behavior since (yeah, all the nice guys that I know watch while his friend has sex with a drunk girl while being out on bond on a murder charge), his comment that he "pretty much saved Nona's life" by dating her, his lies about the exclusiveness of their relationship, and on and on it goes. One of these things may not point to him being a murderer, but all of them sure make everything he says pretty hard to swallow.

[lorettalockhorn]

He wasn't working at the station, just hanging out.

From the KFSM link:

"Another witnesses testified that Jones arrived on time for work at 3 p.m. and seemed to go out of his way to talk with customers."

[hoglover]

I read (somewhere) that he felt the gash; touched the wound. Of course, he had to have realized that she had a relatively massive head wound when he saw her face down.

Unless it was too dark.

Didn't realize he found her face down? I missed that one! Do you have a link?

[jonikay]

Evidence (lividity and rigor) revealed that Nona's body was face down. RW "saw her buttocks" through the back sliding door and "felt uncomfortable" seeing that. KJ says she was face up, but during the detailed diagramming (sp?) of the scene, KJ draws the body and says, "her body was here, laying upside down."

[lorettalockhorn]

Wasn't there debate at some point about which position she was in? I thought I remembered that maybe K.Jo said somewhere that she was face up when he found her, but that the evidence showed that she was face down for several hours after her death. I may have that reversed, but I remember some conflict about it. Can someone help me clear this up or am I forced to go back and :read: ? TIA.

I believe that it was in one of yesterday's links that he found her face down and turned her over. (The lividity proves that she was face down and that is consistent with being attacked from behind.) Sorry that I don't remember which one and I'm way behind in today's reading. Good thing that I don't have to do any outdoor chores today, my vac has been running in the pool for four days!!

[jonikay]

From the KFSM link:

"Another witnesses testified that Jones arrived on time for work at 3 p.m. and seemed to go out of his way to talk with customers."
He wasn't working at the station before that. Besides that, he was back at home, per his own report around 430 to get ready for the party. When he allegedly visited with gma, he was not there to work. He was just stopping by.

[lorettalockhorn]

Didn't realize he found her face down? I missed that one! Do you have a link?


All The Courier links have been posted in this thread, I posted today's or you can go to:

http://couriernews.com/stories.php?ID=1

You can use the archives by checking news in the box and keyword: Dirksmeyer.

[jonikay]

Some people seem outraged or otherwise aggravated at the fact that Duane hasn't been in the courtroom throughout the whole trial. No one has said anything about the fact that Janice Jones, KJ's mother, hasn't been in there either. There are reasons that these folks aren't in the courtroom guys.:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

He wasn't working at the station before that. Besides that, he was back at home, per his own report around 430 to get ready for the party. When he allegedly visited with gma, he was not there to work. He was just stopping by.

Yeah, I got that he was in and out of the station earlier in the day. So he just worked an hour and a half that day. I wonder if that was typical or if he usually worked forty hours per week? Since he was just back from UofA, he may not have even had a work schedule.

[lorettalockhorn]

Some people seem outraged or otherwise aggravated at the fact that Duane hasn't been in the courtroom throughout the whole trial. No one has said anything about the fact that Janice Jones, KJ's mother, hasn't been in there either. There are reasons that these folks aren't in the courtroom guys.:shrug:


Yep. There is some very selective information being posted here.

[jonikay]

He was back Monday and spent the night with Nona, but his parents didn't know he was back in until Tuesday. I highly doubt he worked much. He didn't have much time to figure out a work schedule from Tuesday until Friday.

[FDInLaw]

Some people seem outraged or otherwise aggravated at the fact that Duane hasn't been in the courtroom throughout the whole trial. No one has said anything about the fact that Janice Jones, KJ's mother, hasn't been in there either. There are reasons that these folks aren't in the courtroom guys.:shrug:
Thanks for pointing this out. I sure hope that no one is going to come on here and rant a rave about how "weird" it is that Janice is not in the courtroom. I seriously doubt that Janice and Duane do not want to be in the courtroom. It's obvious that both of them have not been allowed in because they are witnesses in this case IMO.

[ordanja]

I've been following the news closely on this case. My daughter attends college at ATU, so I was naturally concerned when Nona was murdered. I can tell you that Ryan Whiteside, Chelsea Huckaby, and Kevin Jones are not the kind of people I would consider credible in a court of law. Their behavior, including their conflicting reports to police on several occasions (including the day of Nona's murder AND the night of the party at Ryan Whiteside's) prove that anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. What a bunch of lowlifes!

A bloody palm print on a lamp that belongs to KJ, his muttered prayers during interrogation, "I'm so sorry"...., his behavior since (yeah, all the nice guys that I know watch while his friend has sex with a drunk girl while being out on bond on a murder charge), his comment that he "pretty much saved Nona's life" by dating her, his lies about the exclusiveness of their relationship, and on and on it goes. One of these things may not point to him being a murderer, but all of them sure make everything he says pretty hard to swallow.

Ok, First of all you do not know RW, CH, or KJ if your the mother of an ATU student. There are thousands of kids who go there, and CH doesn't even go to school at ATU!! And them partying thats what teenagers do...its apart of life. And that girl was not as drunk as it was made to be. She was flirting with him the whole night and it was a mutual agreement for them to have sex. And you have know right to call them lowlifes!! Like I said how do you know them?? And the "I'm so sorry"...quote can mean so many things so stop jumping to conclusions. I'm so sorry can mean for not being there to protect her, for little fights that they may have gotten into, numerious of different things, ext. And Nona was much happier and more at ease when her and Kevin got together, he was a man that she could trust or felt like she could trust!!!!

[Mark501]

I noticed that the Courier states:

"An engineer from Cingular wireless gave testimony about calls and text messages sent and received by both Dirksmeyer and Jones on the day of the murder. He also testified about the location of Jones' cell phone during those calls on the day of the murder. This information was provided from records indicating which cell phone towers transmitted the calls."

Apparently there were no bombshells in that particular testimony?

501

[hawgustusgloop]

I noticed that the Courier states:

"An engineer from Cingular wireless gave testimony about calls and text messages sent and received by both Dirksmeyer and Jones on the day of the murder. He also testified about the location of Jones' cell phone during those calls on the day of the murder. This information was provided from records indicating which cell phone towers transmitted the calls."

Apparently there were no bombshells in that particular testimony?

501

That is odd, because either finding out if K.Jo WAS where he said he was or if he WASN'T would be a bombshell either way, if you ask me. Maybe the calls were all made at times that were too early or too late to matter? I can't wait to see the recap of this testimony.

[Mark501]

There is so much in the news as to the value of the "Locating" abilities of cellular service now I figured that possibly someone could have been pinpointed. But the quote from the paper makes it seem kind of irrelevant, or at very best a post script.

501

[jonikay]

There is so much in the news as to the value of the "Locating" abilities of cellular service now I figured that possibly someone could have been pinpointed. But the quote from the paper makes it seem kind of irrelevant, or at very best a post script.

501
I wouldn't say that just yet. The Courier gave good updates on things mentioned both after the day's testimonies and the next morning. The cell stuff may not have been relevant, but I'm waiting to see.

[hawgustusgloop]

I just want to say HI to the other 90 people who are viewing this thread!
:seeya: X 90

[FDInLaw]

I wouldn't say that just yet. The Courier gave good updates on things mentioned both after the day's testimonies and the next morning. The cell stuff may not have been relevant, but I'm waiting to see.
I'm waiting to see too! :patriot:

[lorettalockhorn]

I've been following the news closely on this case. My daughter attends college at ATU, so I was naturally concerned when Nona was murdered. I can tell you that Ryan Whiteside, Chelsea Huckaby, and Kevin Jones are not the kind of people I would consider credible in a court of law. Their behavior, including their conflicting reports to police on several occasions (including the day of Nona's murder AND the night of the party at Ryan Whiteside's) prove that anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. What a bunch of lowlifes!

A bloody palm print on a lamp that belongs to KJ, his muttered prayers during interrogation, "I'm so sorry"...., his behavior since (yeah, all the nice guys that I know watch while his friend has sex with a drunk girl while being out on bond on a murder charge), his comment that he "pretty much saved Nona's life" by dating her, his lies about the exclusiveness of their relationship, and on and on it goes. One of these things may not point to him being a murderer, but all of them sure make everything he says pretty hard to swallow.

Hey Sasha, I remember you from way back when!

I think as parents, we have a tendency to believe the worst and hope for the best. (That's kind how it was for me back in my Mama Bear days, anyway!) That policy was what I used for guidance; to always err on the side of safety.

[FDInLaw]

I just want to say HI to the other 90 people who are viewing this thread!
:seeya: X 90

90! :eek:

Now, that has got to be a record!

[sololobo]

Some people seem outraged or otherwise aggravated at the fact that Duane hasn't been in the courtroom throughout the whole trial. No one has said anything about the fact that Janice Jones, KJ's mother, hasn't been in there either. There are reasons that these folks aren't in the courtroom guys.:shrug:


Indeed there is a reason, they are witnesses. Witnesses are not allowed in the court proceedings except to testify. Hearing other testimonies might influence their own. Perhaps Carol Dipert is no longer on a witness list or perhaps both the defense and prosecution see no problem with her testimony being contaminated by previous testimonies. If either does and she is still a witness, she would not be there. I do not see anything suspicious about this.

[hawgustusgloop]

90! :eek:

Now, that has got to be a record!

It actually creeped up to 92 at one point. I think there were only 11 members, though.

[Mark501]

With regard to the Courier, their recaps are fairly good but the navigation and the length of time that articles stay up on the web leave much to be desired. I do feel they are doing better during the trial.

501

[jonikay]

Indeed there is a reason, they are witnesses. Witnesses are not allowed in the court proceedings except to testify. Hearing other testimonies might influence their own. Perhaps Carol Dipert is no longer on a witness list or perhaps both the defense and prosecution see no problem with her testimony being contaminated by previous testimonies. If either does and she is still a witness, she would not be there. I do not see anything suspicious about this.
Look back at past posts and see how some think that's it's very suspicious that Duane is not in the courtroom. I am not one who thinks it is suspicious in any way and have never so much as insinuated that it is. Nor do I think it's suspicious that Janice is not in the courtroom.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just want to say HI to the other 90 people who are viewing this thread!
:seeya: X 90


I think everyone who isn't here is at The Courier site. :punch:

I can't get in to find the excerpt for Hog's question about Nona being found face down.

[FDInLaw]

With regard to the Courier, their recaps are fairly good but the navigation and the length of time that articles stay up on the web leave much to be desired. I do feel they are doing better during the trial.

501
The mid-day recaps tend not to give a lot of detail. . . the Courier still wants folks to buy their paper tomorrow. That said, I don't think it is all that significant that the details about the cell phone stuff has not been given yet. We'll just have to wait and see. Maybe christina will pop on later and give us a heads up.

[lorettalockhorn]

Indeed there is a reason, they are witnesses. Witnesses are not allowed in the court proceedings except to testify. Hearing other testimonies might influence their own. Perhaps Carol Dipert is no longer on a witness list or perhaps both the defense and prosecution see no problem with her testimony being contaminated by previous testimonies. If either does and she is still a witness, she would not be there. I do not see anything suspicious about this.

I think it was brought up by someone who is unfamiliar with court proceedings or who didn't realize that JJones isn't in the courtroom either and that witnesses are waiting in other areas.

[jonikay]

Ok, First of all you do not know RW, CH, or KJ if your the mother of an ATU student. There are thousands of kids who go there, and CH doesn't even go to school at ATU!! And them partying thats what teenagers do...its apart of life. And that girl was not as drunk as it was made to be. She was flirting with him the whole night and it was a mutual agreement for them to have sex. And you have know right to call them lowlifes!! Like I said how do you know them?? And the "I'm so sorry"...quote can mean so many things so stop jumping to conclusions. I'm so sorry can mean for not being there to protect her, for little fights that they may have gotten into, numerious of different things, ext. And Nona was much happier and more at ease when her and Kevin got together, he was a man that she could trust or felt like she could trust!!!!
Partying, drinking beer, etc. is not "what teenagers do" and is not "a part of life" as you mention. Some people party, drink, do drugs, or whatever, and a lot do not. KJ himself stated that Nona never drank or did drugs. I heard that part of the interrogation with my own eyes and ears. It is odd to me, however, that KJ states that they had a very close relationship, but they obviously weren't interested in the same things. I am not here to say that partying, etc. is wrong, but it is not the norm for every college aged person or student. I say that based on my own experiences and a great bundle of friends and family who went all the way through college without engaging in "the party scene."

[hoglover]

Channel 5 news:

Prosecutors called the five witnesses this morning before the court recessed for lunch in an attempt to establish a timeline of Kevin Jone's activities the day of the murder. One witness, a friend of Jones, said he saw jones on December 15, and he did not seem to be acting strangely but also didn't appear to be worried about Nona.

Another witnesses Testified that Jones arrived on time for work at 3 p.m. and seemed to go out of his way to talk with customers.

A representative for AT&T Wireless was called to the stand to confirm that Jones sent Dirksmeyer nine text messages between 2:10 and 6:15 p.m.

The lead investigator in the case also testified. He stated that investigators estimate the murder occured between 11 a.m. and 1 p.m.

This afternoon, jurors will hear from medical examiners, and from Jones' mother who was with him when he descovered Dirksmeyer's body.

I found this on the pageant board. Some interesting comments are being posted over there as well.

[Mark501]

Thanks for sharing that "Find" Hoglover. What's the link to the pageant site?

501

[ordanja]

Partying, drinking beer, etc. is not "what teenagers do" and is not "a part of life" as you mention. Some people party, drink, do drugs, or whatever, and a lot do not. KJ himself stated that Nona never drank or did drugs. I heard that part of the interrogation with my own eyes and ears. It is odd to me, however, that KJ states that they had a very close relationship, but they obviously weren't interested in the same things. I am not here to say that partying, etc. is wrong, but it is not the norm for every college aged person or student. I say that based on my own experiences and a great bundle of friends and family who went all the way through college without engaging in "the party scene."


You are correct about Nona, she never did any of those things. And I wasn't saying that she did. And yes there are a lot who do and don't. And they did have a close relationship, but she didn't want to do drugs or drink, but she did go to partys with him and everybody there knew she didn't do those things. They both loved music though and many other things. It's great that you experienced college with out "the party scene" and I wish I could say the same, but it all has to do with who your friends are and if you are stongwilled enough to say no. :)

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for sharing that "find" Hoglover. What's the link to the pageant site?

501

This is the link to the pageant site that FD posted:

http://missarkansas.proboards13.com/...d=1183 752796

The quote that Hog posted is in the link [ http://www.kfsm.com/Global/story.asp?S=6780872 ] that Hawg posted, but I think Hog quoted it in entirety.

[Mark501]

Thanks for the info Loretta.

501

[jonikay]

You are correct about Nona, she never did any of those things. And I wasn't saying that she did. And yes there are a lot who do and don't. And they did have a close relationship, but she didn't want to do drugs or drink, but she did go to partys with him and everybody there knew she didn't do those things. They both loved music though and many other things. It's great that you experienced college with out "the party scene" and I wish I could say the same, but it all has to do with who your friends are and if you are stongwilled enough to say no. :)
Were you friends with the both of them up until December 2005? You don't have to answer that, but their relationship may not have been as close as you think. Based on testimonies and KJ's and RW's own words, both Nona and KJ had "relationships" with other people. The guys that Nona developed relationships with knew nothing about her pageants or KJ at all. This is not hearsay and has been proven in the courtroom. Were you aware of this? I wouldn't consider that really close, in fact, it seemed very disturbing in terms of the relationship.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the info Loretta.

501


YW, Mark. These posts are zipping by pretty fast today. I still can't get onto The Courier site, so they must be busy too.

We are so lucky that Crime Library has a good server. YEA CL!! This really is a good site with great features.

[lorettalockhorn]

Were you friends with the both of them up until December 2005? You don't have to answer that, but their relationship may not have been as close as you think. Based on testimonies and KJ's and RW's own words, both Nona and KJ had "relationships" with other people. The guys that Nona developed relationships with knew nothing about her pageants or KJ at all. This is not hearsay and has been proven in the courtroom. Were you aware of this? I wouldn't consider that really close, in fact, it seemed very disturbing in terms of the relationship.

You know, it strikes me as very odd too that Kevin didn't know that Nona had tests the next day. And also odd that KJ's parents didn't know that he was back in Pope County from Fayetteville.

[ordanja]

Were you friends with the both of them up until December 2005? You don't have to answer that, but their relationship may not have been as close as you think. Based on testimonies and KJ's and RW's own words, both Nona and KJ had "relationships" with other people. The guys that Nona developed relationships with knew nothing about her pageants or KJ at all. This is not hearsay and has been proven in the courtroom. Were you aware of this? I wouldn't consider that really close, in fact, it seemed very disturbing in terms of the relationship.

Yes, for the most part. And at the end, their relationship wasn't great but they were working on it to make it better. They loved each other and you could tell by there eyes and the way they looked at each other. There was a period where they took a break, but they still hung out and it didn't take them long to realize they still wanted to be together.

[Brainstorm]

I just want to say HI to the other 90 people who are viewing this thread!
:seeya: X 90

90! :eek:

Now, that has got to be a record!

WOW !!!! I have a lot of catching up to do, but hellooooooo Arkansas!!!!
I am soooo glad to see this trial underway!!!!!!! I have nothing to add right now,just hello.

[sololobo]

I've been following the news closely on this case. My daughter attends college at ATU, so I was naturally concerned when Nona was murdered. I can tell you that Ryan Whiteside, Chelsea Huckaby, and Kevin Jones are not the kind of people I would consider credible in a court of law. Their behavior, including their conflicting reports to police on several occasions (including the day of Nona's murder AND the night of the party at Ryan Whiteside's) prove that anything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. What a bunch of lowlifes!

A bloody palm print on a lamp that belongs to KJ, his muttered prayers during interrogation, "I'm so sorry"...., his behavior since (yeah, all the nice guys that I know watch while his friend has sex with a drunk girl while being out on bond on a murder charge), his comment that he "pretty much saved Nona's life" by dating her, his lies about the exclusiveness of their relationship, and on and on it goes. One of these things may not point to him being a murderer, but all of them sure make everything he says pretty hard to swallow.

From all I've read about them, Nona's friends seem to be good kids. Teenagers are difficult at times but not inherently evil. Besides, I don't believe Nona would have the kind of friends you describe.

I keep remembering a picture of the front door of her apartment, a automatic cat feeder on one side and a box with rags in it for stray cats. Nona was a wonderful, caring young lady, an inspiration to us all, and I am certain the friends she chose were not and are not "lowlifes".

[jonikay]

You know, it strikes me as very odd too that Kevin didn't know that Nona had tests the next day. And also odd that KJ's parents didn't know that he was back in Pope County from Fayetteville.
During the videotaped interrogation, KJ thought she might have had an early final, but didn't know which one or the exact time of the test. He ended up mentioning 8 or 830, but he didn't know for sure. At any rate, he knew that she texted him with "I love you cuddlemuffin. I hope you have a great day" a few minutes after 9. What's also odd is that he was known to have had sex wit someone else a week before the murder and also had sex with Nona that next Monday night. Just a few days apart . . .

I wonder if they were "working on their relationship" during this time . . .

[sololobo]

Indeed there is a reason, they are witnesses. Witnesses are not allowed in the court proceedings except to testify. Hearing other testimonies might influence their own. Perhaps Carol Dipert is no longer on a witness list or perhaps both the defense and prosecution see no problem with her testimony being contaminated by previous testimonies. If either does and she is still a witness, she would not be there. I do not see anything suspicious about this.

I'm agreeing with you, Jonikay:) There is nothing suspicious about Dipert not being there. Its not allowed.

[lorettalockhorn]

WOW !!!! I have a lot of catching up to do, but hellooooooo Arkansas!!!!
I am soooo glad to see this trial underway!!!!!!! I have nothing to add right now,just hello.

Helllllllllooo stranger!

[jonikay]

Cingular representative testifies telephone calls from Jones' phone until 145 are from Dover area tower. Time of murder between 11 and 1. A call was placed by Jones around noon (Jeremy Huggins) from the Dover tower, but no calls were made between 11 and 12.
Jeremy Huggins testified and received call at noon and met with Jones a bit later for noon.
Blake Walters testified that he saw Jones and he worked from 245 to 400. Didn't see anything abnormal . . .

[ordanja]

Cingular representative testifies telephone calls from Jones' phone until 145 are from Dover area tower. Time of murder between 11 and 1. A call was placed by Jones around noon (Jeremy Huggins) from the Dover tower, but no calls were made between 11 and 12.
Jeremy Huggins testified and received call at noon and met with Jones a bit later for noon.
Blake Walters testified that he saw Jones and he worked from 245 to 400. Didn't see anything abnormal . . .

So is this saying that he was in Dover when she was murdered??