Richard Ramirez

[Marian Paroo]

Dog was arrested because it was illegal for him to bounty hunt in Mexico. I'm very glad he got Luster but he isn't above the law and should not have broken another countries law to get him. If your preaching "follow the law" then you should do it yourself. imo

The girl is right.:):beer:

Ya can't have it both ways.

[curlyq26]

For those of you that correspond with RR, have any of you gone to meet him? (I also correspond with him)

[taboo]

For those of you that correspond with RR, have any of you gone to meet him? (I also correspond with him)

I do and no I do not nor will . Would you ? Are you male or female ? I got a letter from him today I do not talk about his letters but I think there comes a point when most his pen pals stop for a reason .

[curlyq26]

I'm female. In one of my letters I asked if he would ever allow me a visit. In a letter I received the other day, he said he'd love it and kinda explained briefly how the process works. I know he is very manipulative and I think he says things that he thinks that I want to hear. Just so perhaps he can get items from me...ex. stamps, pictures, etc.

[taboo]

I'm female. In one of my letters I asked if he would ever allow me a visit. In a letter I received the other day, he said he'd love it and kinda explained briefly how the process works. I know he is very manipulative and I think he says things that he thinks that I want to hear. Just so perhaps he can get items from me...ex. stamps, pictures, etc.

Yes Ithink so to most men who want to sleep with a woman in particular do tell u what u want to hear . Would u actually go through with visiting him ? I couldnt at all . Its one thing writing to someone but another meeting them . So please think very carefully .

[taboo]

I'm female. In one of my letters I asked if he would ever allow me a visit. In a letter I received the other day, he said he'd love it and kinda explained briefly how the process works. I know he is very manipulative and I think he says things that he thinks that I want to hear. Just so perhaps he can get items from me...ex. stamps, pictures, etc.

something to make u feel very very scared and aware of . This young man wrote to several notorious killers but mostly john w gacey he wrote like he was their ideal victims ultimately it ended very badly and this young man as a result took his own life .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuRs_g4CqdY ( he did meet ramirez )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ild9q0WOm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EERAq7zcFkI&feature=related

[SaraSidle]

I'm female. In one of my letters I asked if he would ever allow me a visit. In a letter I received the other day, he said he'd love it and kinda explained briefly how the process works. I know he is very manipulative and I think he says things that he thinks that I want to hear. Just so perhaps he can get items from me...ex. stamps, pictures, etc.


I am sure having you visit would give RR more gruesome fantasies to play through in his head. no doubt that is why he wants all those pics. He does not need to depend on his own resources then. Manipulative does not even close to a description of him. He is a sexual predator serial killer and always will be. sara IMO

[taboo]

I am sure having you visit would give RR more gruesome fantasies to play through in his head. no doubt that is why he wants all those pics. He does not need to depend on his own resources then. Manipulative does not even close to a description of him. He is a sexual predator serial killer and always will be. sara IMO

I totally agree with you Sara . Plus you can pick up so much more on a person's body language . I am sure he can sense how nervous and tense a person gets visiting him which is as you say some kind of a kick for his state of mind . I really hope you Curly reconsider . I get the feeling your very young . There are plenty of good men out there who deserve your time and devotion .

[SaraSidle]

I totally agree with you Sara . Plus you can pick up so much more on a person's body language . I am sure he can sense how nervous and tense a person gets visiting him which is as you say some kind of a kick for his state of mind . I really hope you Curly reconsider . I get the feeling your very young . There are plenty of good men out there who deserve your time and devotion .


Excellent points taboo. :seeya:

[taboo]

Excellent points taboo. :seeya:

Thanks Sara . I meant to say more about the body language thing . I think when he senses that nervousness , tense behaviour its almost like reanacting his past crimes all over again . Bundy represented himself in court and once asked a witness to in very great detail explain every single murder in great detail . Of course everyone knew this was not the motive of a lawyer but a killer who wants everything to be reacted very slowly .

When someone gets nervous there body closes up slumps maybe and fidgets with their hair or hands for example . Their eyes become more open when they are tense or under a lot of stress . When someone is angry its the same in a way but the heart races more , the shoulders gets more tense , irratible , facial muscles get more strained and eyes wide open with rage .

[curlyq26]

no i completely agree. he is a sexual predator, a murderer and a sadist. there is no doubt about that. he is 100% evil and admits that on an interview a long time ago. my interest is only in the psychological aspect...what causes somebody to inhabit such evil and anger and hatred. how much of his mother's fumes in the factory, the radiation in the area when he was born, and his head injury created the monster he is now. i admit i would be curious about a visit JUST to see his eyes. can you see that in them? but the idea that the visit could create more fantasies for him sickens me.

[SaraSidle]

no i completely agree. he is a sexual predator, a murderer and a sadist. there is no doubt about that. he is 100% evil and admits that on an interview a long time ago. my interest is only in the psychological aspect...what causes somebody to inhabit such evil and anger and hatred. how much of his mother's fumes in the factory, the radiation in the area when he was born, and his head injury created the monster he is now. i admit i would be curious about a visit JUST to see his eyes. can you see that in them? but the idea that the visit could create more fantasies for him sickens me.


I would have to say he has very cold eyes and that comes across to me enough on pictures and videos of him. I know you are interested in finding out the answer as are thousands of others and the theories are many.
Not sure meeting him will help that but that is just my opinion curly......sara

[taboo]

I would have to say he has very cold eyes and that comes across to me enough on pictures and videos of him. I know you are interested in finding out the answer as are thousands of others and the theories are many.
Not sure meeting him will help that but that is just my opinion curly......sara

Personally I know for deffinte that I could not go through visiting him and looking at him face to face . I know i would fall apart and probably burst out into tears for the amount of terrible crimes . Inside trying not to let him see that . I would fear more he would get the biggest kick from that .

[curlyq26]

well, taboo, as you are, i will continue to correspond with him and see what happens. i am quite curious if he writes the same things to everyone and includes the same verses. i have a feeling his letters are just an assembly line production.

[taboo]

well, taboo, as you are, i will continue to correspond with him and see what happens. i am quite curious if he writes the same things to everyone and includes the same verses. i have a feeling his letters are just an assembly line production.

Hi curly yes he does write the same to everyone! You have to remember his brain isnt all there and most of it has been filled with drugs . Ihave studied his letters hes written to others before writing to him he virtually repeats everything and if one thinks they are different he writes with more personally like its unfortunately not ever going to happen . send me your letters and we can exchange and see but i think they will pretty much alike .

[curlyq26]

yeah he really hasn't offered too much information taht i didnt already know. i'm trying to think if there is anything in his letters that stands out......i ask a million questions hoping for some originality.

[taboo]

yeah he really hasn't offered too much information taht i didnt already know. i'm trying to think if there is anything in his letters that stands out......i ask a million questions hoping for some originality.

I spoke to others before i wrote to him because i wanted to make very sure what i was going to expect . He isnt very talkative as you can see very short sentances and always writes in capitals . I looked up this kind of writing what is means its very intereresting we all write our own way which describes who we are in a kind of nut shell . Bold writing big caps means he is someone who wants to make an impact on society and draw attention to himself . He doesnt like questions and very rarely answers them all . My experiences is i have learnt witha previous ex men who ask more and dont answer want to know more about you , what to say so they know you will like it ( a sexual kick to get what they want ) and answer or write little because they are as I have noticed either not bothered or very tight lipped and for a good reason !

You have to be careful with Ramirez he comes across as very friendly etc but you also have to remember he is in prison on death row for a reason . So please be careful and smart . Any questions or chat or what ever message me I dont mind . I think very soon I will have to come to a close on corresponding with him its takin its toll on me sometimes and its repetition .

[curlyq26]

Repetition - meaning he is repeating the same things about himself?

I try to get him to be specific even on the simplest items. Just to get in his head a little....ex, what books he reads (titles), what movies....not just generalities. But I havent gotten anywhere.

Have you learned anything at all that was new to you about him?

Very interesting what you wrote about the writing analysis. I didnt know that! Lately I've been getting a lot in my letters. One page letter, another page of questions, a verse and a picture. Same for you?

[taboo]

Repetition - meaning he is repeating the same things about himself?

I try to get him to be specific even on the simplest items. Just to get in his head a little....ex, what books he reads (titles), what movies....not just generalities. But I havent gotten anywhere.

Have you learned anything at all that was new to you about him?

Very interesting what you wrote about the writing analysis. I didnt know that! Lately I've been getting a lot in my letters. One page letter, another page of questions, a verse and a picture. Same for you?

He did mention his memory was bad . He sometimes repeats questions and things he has already mentioned .Dont ever go into his head !! If you do that he may take advantage of that and play you and your own game or his rather . Be you but dont be you if you understand !!! I just write mostly babble I am good at that but not about me as much . I try very hard to stay away from that and deffintly wont offer him personal info about family and friends for example . I think I included that link about writing styles , I'm sure i did actually . I sometimes do little doodles . From what I have read of others letters he writes the same to EVERYONE at some point its the same stuff recycled to send them out and see what comes back I think .

I found another more detailed link on Graphology ( the analysis of writing styles ) its very interesting ! Go check it out
http://www.businessballs.com/graphologyhandwritinganalysis.htm

[curlyq26]

i guess i feel that i can outsmart him.....

love that link taboo.Thanks!!

[taboo]

i guess i feel that i can outsmart him.....

love that link taboo.Thanks!!

You dont want to go there ! It will be mind games none stop and he will be very determined to beat you and WIN . Its deffintly not a good idea at all . I posted a link to a you tube video of a guy called Jason Moss go look at it on this page or one before . He was an 18 year old fresh men who thought up various ways to get serial killers to write to him a lot . He wrote in charachter as their ultimate victim target . He told Ramirez in a letter he was a satanist and ramirez sent him drawings such as a dismembered lady and apparently sent Jason Moss photos from girls who sent him pics , ramirez thought would be his next victim and thought they were in love with him .

Moss though had a very intense pen pal ship with Jon W Gacy and would pose as young boys sometimes . Eventually Gacy started calling him telling him things and eventually moss went to see him in prison . The guards left him all alone in a cell and gacy was literally telling him by the time they got back he would be dead . Moss went back a second time after that terrifying ordeal !!!!! Years later moss wrote a book called The Last Victim . He eventually killed himself all these memories really disturbed him explicably and he wished prior to his death he never played them at their own game .... it always ends bad .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBr2IL-8ys

[kristina]

hello taboo im new to this site, does richard ever ask you for photos in his letters. he asks me me all the time but i say no.

[taboo]

hello taboo im new to this site, does richard ever ask you for photos in his letters. he asks me me all the time but i say no.

Hi Kristina
Yes he does and I just dont send pay attention or i make up an excuse like i am very shy or have issues with my body and had an eating disorder . I didnt like him asking about my family so I just said polightly I do not like to talk about them because I am very private like that . Some things I just dont like to share with anyone and he has never asked again . Try not to read to much into it but at the same time be careful . If something feels bad or not right then listen to that . He is strangely polight in his letters and comes across very friendly but he does ask a lot of questions and very rarely answers all yours . Theres a reason there and I have stated in a comment somewhere recently on here . I send pictures of places like trees etc . He is inside a cell like 23 hours and is just glad to see anything other than white walls but theres a reason why hes there so be careful babe .

[kristina]

thanks taboo for the information .you would think he would have enough photos to last him a lifetime.

[taboo]

thanks taboo for the information .you would think he would have enough photos to last him a lifetime.

You'd think wouldnt you . Apparently I read a comment by Doreen on another site that they cant keep their mail for long . He gets it reads it replies then has to dispose of it maybe thats why but theres so many rumours flying around who knows ... then apparently on a video i saw of Jason Moss he apparentlyuse to send him photos of the girls who wrote to him ones he wanted Moss to kill for him ! SCARY !

[kristina]

yes i did see that video it was scary. im glad i have not sent him any photos.

[taboo]

yes i did see that video it was scary. im glad i have not sent him any photos.

There have been plenty of females that have though some crazy ones sent nude ones to him mental !

[kristina]

i would not like to be doreen 'married to somone who thinks about other women.i have seen letters on the internet where he writes to all sorts of women.i feel sorry for her because she has given up everything for him and he has not given up anything.

[taboo]

i would not like to be doreen 'married to somone who thinks about other women.i have seen letters on the internet where he writes to all sorts of women.i feel sorry for her because she has given up everything for him and he has not given up anything.

I know its like she is totally oblivious to it I dont understand how she can be ok with that he sends letters to numerous women asking them for photos in their bekinnis thats not showing any kind of respect or " love " towards her . I think she is a very lonely woman who just needs someone , anyone if you understand . I have a feeling they arent a item anymore because i have asked about her a couple times and he has never replied to them also he posted a pen pal not seeking " a good friend : " surely that would be her no ... and the last time she wrote anything here was like a couple years ago . I dont know how anyone could be ok with not having a family when she really does want one your right for her its such a waste and a shame .

[kristina]

i have not seen doreen on any message boards for about 2 years.i did watch a documentary last year about women who fall in love with killers; and she was on it. it was a very interesting interview,i think the interview was done 1999. she talked about her ralationship with him how she looked in his eyes and it grabed her like she new him. she said he wanted someone who was innocent and pure and she is only to happy to ablige and be a faithful wife. she said she could not imagine a life with out him. she has visions of them being a old couple where the wife dies,then the husband dies 6 months later because he cant survive any more.

[Amy]

i have not seen doreen on any message boards for about 2 years.i did watch a documentary last year about women who fall in love with killers; and she was on it. it was a very interesting interview,i think the interview was done 1999. she talked about her ralationship with him how she looked in his eyes and it grabed her like she new him. she said he wanted someone who was innocent and pure and she is only to happy to ablige and be a faithful wife. she said she could not imagine a life with out him. she has visions of them being a old couple where the wife dies,then the husband dies 6 months later because he cant survive any more.

In this case, more like, the wife dies then FINALLY the husband meets his date w/the executioner. Altho he should meet it NOW.

[taboo]

In this case, more like, the wife dies then FINALLY the husband meets his date w/the executioner. Altho he should meet it NOW.

Thats messed up really messed up isnt it ! She is obviously deluded and afraid of the truth but their " relationship " appeared ..? to be very much one sided .

[kristina]

i know doreen has got a twin sister and older brother, her sister is called denise and said they were a very close knit family, they moved apart slowly as adults.their mother died at 51 after a long and painful battle with cancer. doreen was very close to her mother, she said it started to go down hill from there;while denise and her older brother got married doreen didit ; at times she seemed isolated. she was basically left alone, doreen lived with her grandmother.

[taboo]

i know doreen has got a twin sister and older brother, her sister is called denise and said they were a very close knit family, they moved apart slowly as adults.their mother died at 51 after a long and painful battle with cancer. doreen was very close to her mother, she said it started to go down hill from there;while denise and her older brother got married doreen didit ; at times she seemed isolated. she was basically left alone, doreen lived with her grandmother.
Well it would explain alot! Plus dont forget after they found out about her " relationship " with Richard they wanted nothing to do with her .

[Passenger]

He told Ramirez in a letter he was a satanist and ramirez sent him drawings such as a dismembered lady and apparently sent Jason Moss photos from girls who sent him pics , ramirez thought would be his next victim and thought they were in love with him .

It's a little unclear in the youtube video, but it was Jason Moss who sent ramirez photos of girls, not the other way around. I have the book. He'd send ramirez pictures of models and tell him that the girls were in a satanic cult and were in love with him (rr). he hoped this would be one way of trying to get ramirez to open up to him.

[taboo]

It's a little unclear in the youtube video, but it was Jason Moss who sent ramirez photos of girls, not the other way around. I have the book. He'd send ramirez pictures of models and tell him that the girls were in a satanic cult and were in love with him (rr). he hoped this would be one way of trying to get ramirez to open up to him.ohh ok ! i did think that but it was not clear thanks ! sad story though they have made a film about him and his sory with gacy it will be out this year ! I dont think its a good idea though but still .

[Marian Paroo]

I just do not understand this whole writing to guys or gals like this thing.

At least our most infamous pen-pal murderer-prisoner-dumb broard relationships here were based on politics.

[taboo]

Hey Curly, has he mentioned anything to you about his blushing bride Doreen? I wonder if she truly is aware that he writes to other women or is she as dumb as I think she is? This sadistic puke should have been executed 20 plus years ago and it pisses me off to no end that people come on this board and admit they write to this POS! Taboo is aware about how I feel about him and I suppose you are gonna tell me you write to him because you want to see what makes him tick? Like you are that curious, that you have to write to a maggot who killed 14 people and laughed his ass off about it? He RAPED a six year old boy before he brutally murdered him and thought nothing of it, it meant nothing to him but getting his rocks off!!! During his trial, he disrupted it many times with outbursts about Satan and he would flash a pentagram he had drawn on his hand every time the camera panned over to him, he showed not an ounce of remorse for what he did and would probably do it again if he was released.

He terrorized LA for months till he was finally captured and why he is still breathing is a travesty of justice!!! He laughed when various detectives described the brutality he inflicted on his victims, some of their families read victim impact statements and he sat there and looked them in the eye and laughed and hailed SATAN!!!! He is not human and you can do what you want, I can't stop you, but it makes me puke to think that someone on this board AGAIN, is fascinated by and writing to this maggot scumbag!!! I am not going to apologize for my feelings about him, I wish I could be the one to execute him and it wouldn't be by LI, it would involve pain and lots of it as he deserves so much more than just a needle. It makes me sick to think that this scumbag was able to marry, and have visits, he is not locked down 24 hours a day, he can bask in the CA sunshine and have ice cream for dessert.

And he can write all the letters he wants to idiots like you! He should have been wasted 30 days after he was sentenced and instead he has been a guest of the CA taxpayers for over 20 f!cking years!!! And he has no shortage of idiots who want to write to him!!! I have never written to a prisoner in my life and if I did it would not be someone as evil as he is!!! Do you have such a horrible life that you feel compelled to write to a serial killer? Why not turn to alcohol? Or maybe, do something positive and write letters on behalf of VICTIMS of scum like him like I do. I write to PAROLE BOARDS in favor of keeping maggots like him locked up forever!!! And so far, 13 of these scumbags did not make parole!!!! So you do what you want, but you are as nuts as his dumb wife is!!!!

Hey Wind
Yes I am aware how you feel you are entitled to your oppinion very much so . I agree with you most the time but please try tone it down a bit towards the new people and the others sometime you come across as bordering offensive and that doesnt help anyone . We are all here to express our oppinions and be CIVIL towards each other . I think Curly is very young I can tell in her wording I have told her to be careful with her approach and I really dont want her to go through with visiting him face to face I feel she is not mature enough to handle that completely . I'm trying to protect both her and Kristine . I think the reason why so many young people write to him is because we unlike you werent there first hand experience and yes it was HORRIBLE 100 percent . We as humans are naturally very curious beings . It can be healthy but if you cross the line it can become very dangerous . Please bare that in mind WIND you make a lot of sense most the time just be a little careful with how you express your feelings to some the younger ones they are very easy influenced and vulnerable . Thanks wind ! all my love .

Taboo

[SaraSidle]

Well Marian and Wind the thread is here. You know people are fascinated by serial killers and this is a safe place for them to anonymously talk about them. I do not hear anyone is in love with him or wants to marry him.

If Deepwater had a problem with it I am sure she would do something about it. In the mean time please let people post what they want without having to worry about you responding negatively. I am glad to see 2 new posters here. If you want to know why these posters think or do what they do just ask them instead of "Not understanding " please.

WELCOME Passenger and kristina


IMO sara

[taboo]

[QUOTE=SaraSidle;9244733]Well Marian and Wind the thread is here. You know people are fascinated by serial killers and this is a safe place for them to anonymously talk about them. I do not hear anyone is in love with him or wants to marry him.

If Deepwater had a problem with it I am sure she would do something about it. In the mean time please let people post what they want without having to worry about you responding negatively. I am glad to see 2 new posters here. If you want to know why these posters think or do what they do just ask them instead of "Not understanding " please.

WELCOME Passenger and kristina

Deffintly I agree with you SARA it is a chat board after all . We all learn by various oppinions but by being just angry and frustrated will either offend people or just make them do it even more . Yes welcome to all the newbies!

[wind149]

I was trying to come off harsh for a reason!! To wake these girls up that they are playing with fire and they could get burned!!!! This guy is not worthy of any of the attention you guys are paying him!!! Do you really KNOW all about this creep?? if you find him fascinating, then you have some problems yourself!!! He is a SERIAL KILLER, not a freaking celebrity!!! I was reading what kristina and curly both posted and my stomach got all into knots!! It is pathetic at best and at worst, it is sickening to think that these young girls are into him!!!! Aren't there anyone out there their own age that is decent to have a thing for?? They sound like freaking GROUPIES!!! This maggot should have been wasted years ago and it is maddening to know how he STILL CAN MANIPULATE SO WELL and they don't call them CONS for nothing! Next thing we KNOW these two will be posting HOW THEY WENT AND VISITED HIM!! As for DeepWater? She is well aware of my disgust and anger that anyone here, new or old posting about this maggot like he is GOD!! Before I climbed all over taboo, I sent her a letter advising that I thought taboo was getting in over her head with this POS and that I was worried for her as this puke is quite capable of conning women! It made me puke during his trial, to see how many dumb broads were there in his "fan club" in the back row!! And then he gets to marry that dumb stupid loser of a wife??? This scumbag is not worthy of a meal, never mind female attention!!! He murdered people like we change our socks, showed not one scintilla of remorse and laughed at his victim's family members, and flashed pentagrams and he truly is the son of Satan and we have these young girls all giggly over him? Someone NEEDS to wake their asses up and so that is why I am being harsh! I KNOW what this scumbag is capable of and they DON"T!

[SaraSidle]

well wind I think we have gotten your point of view a few times thanks.

maybe now the posters can post some more without you landbasting or whatever it is you do. I cannot understand what terrible things will happen to these girls but they are adults. okay IMO sara

[taboo]

well wind I think we have gotten your point of view a few times thanks.

maybe now the posters can post some more without you landbasting or whatever it is you do. I cannot understand what terrible things will happen to these girls but they are adults. okay IMO sara

I too have gotton your points wind loud and clear it just doesnt help though to be sooo agressive really . But a wake up call is good when done with DELICACY .

[Amy]

well wind I think we have gotten your point of view a few times thanks.

maybe now the posters can post some more without you landbasting or whatever it is you do. I cannot understand what terrible things will happen to these girls but they are adults. okay IMO sara

I agree. I think wind can post her opinions about RR, and maybe even post her concern about those who write him, and even those who are considering seeing him. But, I don't think calling these posters names is helpful in any manner, in fact is rather offensive. I personally wouldn't be writing or visiting, but each to her own. Those who want to, so be it.

[Hotwater]

Please report objectionable or offensive posts promptly.

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Rudeness to others is not acceptable and can result in a time-out. Repeated offenses will result in a permanent ban.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Please find a way to be respectful even if you don't agree.

HW

[wind149]

OK I get it, I can be brutally honest at times, but these girls have to know that this guy is dangerous even when locked up!!! I wasn't trying to be nasty, I was trying to convey to them that he is not a freaking celebrity but a serial killer who raped and murdered a 6 yr old boy and laughed about it!!! I am afraid because these girls are young, that they will be caught up in a moment with this scumbag and actually want to visit him? Is your life so empty that you guys feel compelled to write to a POS who is not worthy of anything except a painful death and it has been 20 plus yrs since he was convicted and maybe instead of writing to him, you guys should write to Gov Arnold and ask him why this scumbag has not been executed yet? I bet a million plus has been spent housing, feeding and amusing that scumbag and that money could have been better spent!!! That is who you should be writing to, your governors and lawmakers and parole boards, not some loser serial killer!

Do you guys think for one moment if he was still at large and came in your window at 2 am and proceeded to brutalize you, would you find him so fascinating then? You would be begging for your life like all his victims did! And I oft wondered whether or not his loser wife would have dug getting beaten and raped and then strangled to death by the man who she says she is proud to have married??? This guy terrorized an entire city for months, and 14 people died at his hands, he GOT HIS ROCKS OFF ON THE PAIN AND SUFFERING HE COMMITTED!!! Can I make this any clearer??? if these girls are underage and I kinda suspect they are, how would your parents feel if they knew you are writing to a serial killer? Bad enough they are allowed mail at all, if it was me, they would get nothing but the basics. Toast for breakfast, baloney sandwich for lunch and one hot with no dessert. One shower a week, no mail, phone or visits, no library, no canteen, they can stare at the walls till they finally walk the green mile. They deserve NOTHING! They took lives, for PLEASURE!!!

I am just trying to get this to sink in, I know nowadays role models are not, they are either substance abusers or out and out slutbags, sex addicts like Tiger, and really, athletes should not be held in a high regard, so they can toss a ball around, big deal? But to admire and WANT TO write to a scum that raped and murdered his way across an entire city and kicked back and laughed all through the trial is not acceptable behavior!!!! SO please, girls, reconsider this, you think because he is locked up that he can't hurt you? I am betting Jennifer Hyatt, who blew her life up by getting involved with a killer, sure regrets it now. She was a prison nurse with three kids who got hooked up with a true loser convict who believe it or not, basically ran his pod, even the guards looked at him with respect, as he apparently had connections? He talked her into shooting a deputy to death as he transported this scumbag, George Hyatt to court, they went on the lam for 3 days and were captured in OH. She got a LWPOP sentence and the only reason she did not get a death sentence is his family felt bad she has kids. Her life is gone, she will never be a mother to her kids. and that scumbag is probably got some other dumb woman doing his bidding now.

So many women get involved with scum like this and blow their lives up in the process either by killing for them, bringing in dope, weapons. I saw an episode of Lock Up where a woman brought in tobacco and drugs for her man and got a nice 15 yr sentence for herself out of the deal, He did not give a crap they gave him more time, he was already serving a LWPOP sentence!!! They don't call them CONS for nothing! So I do apologize for name calling, but I will not apologize for my feelings towards that babyraping maggot!! I think none of these scumbags should be allowed to have pen pals!!

[Passenger]

I bet a million plus has been spent housing, feeding and amusing that scumbag and that money could have been better spent!!!

I agree, the death penalty is a money-wasting anachronism. It should be abolished.

Do you guys think for one moment if he was still at large and came in your window at 2 am and proceeded to brutalize you, would you find him so fascinating then?

Not likely. But many crime victims and their families have gone on to forgive their attackers.

if it was me, they would get nothing but the basics. Toast for breakfast, baloney sandwich for lunch and one hot with no dessert. One shower a week, no mail, phone or visits, no library, no canteen, they can stare at the walls till they finally walk the green mile. They deserve NOTHING!

Wouldn't want to be a guard at that jail. This might be just a notch above the treatment of prisoners in Nazi Germany.

Do you really believe stripping convicts of any reason to live whatsoever is a wise way to mete out justice? Do you think they would sit obediently in their cells and just take it? What happens when you put a bunch of people together who have demonstrated a capacity for violence and make it so that they have nothing to lose?

you think because he is locked up that he can't hurt you? I am betting Jennifer Hyatt, who blew her life up by getting involved with a killer, sure regrets it now.

Most people who correspond with inmates are not duped into going on murderous rampages. The exchanges can be very rewarding for both inmate and penpal.

I saw an episode of Lock Up where a woman brought in tobacco and drugs for her man and got a nice 15 yr sentence for herself out of the deal, He did not give a crap they gave him more time, he was already serving a LWPOP sentence!!!

Live and learn.

[Marian Paroo]

I was saying that I didn't understand, but would like to.

The posters (welcome girls!) who are writing to RR are not helping me.

But will read on, and try to figure it out.

[taboo]

I was saying that I didn't understand, but would like to.

The posters (welcome girls!) who are writing to RR are not helping me.

But will read on, and try to figure it out.
I think what the fascination is Marian is that we as the younger generation did not hear first hand about his crimes during that time . I think its a matter of wanting to know what it was all about exactly even though its obvious but hopefully you understand me . i THINK what is is the younger girls and possibly me have some kind of a remote empathy for his child hood but that doesnt give him the right to have done what he did at all . I think its people who want to try connect with him on a human level to help him understand what he has and is missing out truely . Does that help you sort of ?

[kristina]

thank you eveyone for making us newbies feel welcome. i wrote to richard because i was curious i felt his life was a tragedy not just for him but for everyone involved . his family, the victims,police officers.victims familys. all that happend because of the choices that he made,he deserves to be on death row and to get what is coming to him.

[Marian Paroo]

"I think its people who want to try connect with him on a human level to help him understand what he has and is missing out truely . Does that help you sort of ? "

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This is as saying a lot to me.

And the human tendency to look under rocks to see what is there?

I dunno. Maybe it's because of the whole child of Holocaust survivors thing, i have no desire to stare evil in the face.

[curlyq26]

I am not in love with RR please let me make that clear. He is not a celebrity to me. He is an evil murderer and rapist who is unable to have any emotion or feeling. Nor is he a role model. I understand this and am not getting conned by him. My only interest is the psychological aspect. I am interested in what inside the brain causes one to end up that way versus a good citizen with the ability to empathize. Granted, I will never get any answers from RR, but maybe just a mere insight into him. If even that. However, unlike the previous post, I do want to see evil up close. And Wind, I believe I have that right.

[curlyq26]

Wow, I just read what Wind wrote directly to me. I missed it when I wrote my previous post. I have studied RR as well as other serial killers/predators. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I have a great life and all you know about me is that I correspond with RR. You don't know anything else that I do so I'm unsure how it's appropriate that you judge me or call me an idiot/nuts. I appreciate the others in here that have supported each other even if we don't all agree with each other. Instead of just lashing out, maybe it's time to listen a little.

[taboo]

Wow, I just read what Wind wrote directly to me. I missed it when I wrote my previous post. I have studied RR as well as other serial killers/predators. You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. I have a great life and all you know about me is that I correspond with RR. You don't know anything else that I do so I'm unsure how it's appropriate that you judge me or call me an idiot/nuts. I appreciate the others in here that have supported each other even if we don't all agree with each other. Instead of just lashing out, maybe it's time to listen a little.

Try not to take it personally I too had the same reaction from WIND but i was polight and honest with her . She does mean her best but it doesnt work everytime and she now knows .

[SaraSidle]

I am so happy that you are still posting Kristina and you too Curly. I have always been interested in RR. because I read a lot and went to school trying to figure out what made him like he is. that was my degree and focus which changed due to financial circumstances. I wanted to clear the world of mass murderers and serial murderers. I did read RR book. I read it 3 times. I still cannot figure out him or anyone. Birth? Genes? Upbringing? Peers? brain injury? brain defect? I do feel in the book "Night Stalker" that there is the must real thinking and that is Upbringing+Violent cousin+plus street drugs mainly speed opiates and losing any interest in a future. I do not think it has anything to do with devil. I mean look at him now. A pathetic creature locked up in prison for his life stuck in the brain of a drug crazed teenager. many brain cells are burnt up by drugs so in the long run there is not much to learn. after a while he will write to you the same as anyone else. he wants to know about you and see pictures. so he can fantasize because that is all he has. fantasies. IMO sara
I hope this helps Marian.
Long run.........no one knows and they will not for a long time to come.

[curlyq26]

You dont want to go there ! It will be mind games none stop and he will be very determined to beat you and WIN . Its deffintly not a good idea at all . I posted a link to a you tube video of a guy called Jason Moss go look at it on this page or one before . He was an 18 year old fresh men who thought up various ways to get serial killers to write to him a lot . He wrote in charachter as their ultimate victim target . He told Ramirez in a letter he was a satanist and ramirez sent him drawings such as a dismembered lady and apparently sent Jason Moss photos from girls who sent him pics , ramirez thought would be his next victim and thought they were in love with him .

Moss though had a very intense pen pal ship with Jon W Gacy and would pose as young boys sometimes . Eventually Gacy started calling him telling him things and eventually moss went to see him in prison . The guards left him all alone in a cell and gacy was literally telling him by the time they got back he would be dead . Moss went back a second time after that terrifying ordeal !!!!! Years later moss wrote a book called The Last Victim . He eventually killed himself all these memories really disturbed him explicably and he wished prior to his death he never played them at their own game .... it always ends bad .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBr2IL-8ys


I just watched that clip. Thanks taboo. I hadn't known about him. He actually killed himself because of this? Maybe he wasn't stable to begin with?

[taboo]

I just watched that clip. Thanks taboo. I hadn't known about him. He actually killed himself because of this? Maybe he wasn't stable to begin with?

No I didnt know about him either I just stumbled across it whilst looking RR up. Passenger told me it was the other way around Moss send Ramirez photos to try get him to open up . RR like i said is very tight lipped and like sara stated his brain is burnt out by drugs virtually every letter he sends to me and everyone else is virtually all the same lines . Nothing will be new or different just recycled . I recieved a letter funnily enough yesterday the drawing was the same one he sent a while back that just proves to you what we mean ! He is in our eyes in his own prison of mind but I guess to him its a HAVEN ( not heaven ! ) s place away from everyone else and literally like SARA mentioned where he can be alone with his thoughts and fantasies .

Moss I dont know too much about but he shouldnt have gone that far and clearly after everything and the book ( a while after . _) it all piled up and became too much of a burden I would imagine his mental health was pretty much demolished after all of that !
They actually made a film about it called DEAR MR GACY based on the book I think its not showing Moss any kind of peace and its sort of wrong but thats just what I think . Its coming out this year apparently . Look it up on YOU TUBE .

[kristina]

do you think richard cares about anyone or just himself.

[taboo]

do you think richard cares about anyone or just himself.


Its hard to answer and I think this will make some people mad but maybe he does otherwise he wouldnt bother to draw pictures or write verses but maybe it could also just be out of 23 hours pure boredom . I have found him to be very polight though . What do you think ?

[taboo]

Actually he must care about his brothers and sister . I watched a documentary and that Phil Carlo who wrote the book about him and had several hours of interview with him said carlo had to try drag it out of ramirez but richard did tell him he was very disturbed watching his brothers being beaten by his father. I have learnt in general from life there will always be unanswered questions ones you will never get closure from and sometimes you yourself just have to close the book yourself .

[Amy]

do you think richard cares about anyone or just himself.

IMO, just himself. He probably doesn't really care what answers his penpals may give to questions he asks. He probably is just trying to get to a point where maybe someone will really send him pictures, to add to his fantasy. And, it isn't all about the penpals. It's all about the attention the penpals give to him, IMO.

[SaraSidle]

IMO, just himself. He probably doesn't really care what answers his penpals may give to questions he asks. He probably is just trying to get to a point where maybe someone will really send him pictures, to add to his fantasy. And, it isn't all about the penpals. It's all about the attention the penpals give to him, IMO.

ITA Amy

[grneyes]

Send him pics of scruffy old men or animals. lol

[SaraSidle]

Send him pics of scruffy old men or animals. lol



LOL that was waaay too funny girlfriend...........

[curlyq26]

IMO, i think it's possible for RR to care about some of his closer family members. However with strangers, he is somehow able to detach himself from them. I remember in the book it talked about how RR ws very protective of his sister. Yet look at all the atrocities he has committed to women. It's an interesting contradiction.

[Marian Paroo]

IMO, i think it's possible for RR to care about some of his closer family members. However with strangers, he is somehow able to detach himself from them. I remember in the book it talked about how RR ws very protective of his sister. Yet look at all the atrocities he has committed to women. It's an interesting contradiction.

Plenty of people who committed atrocities loved and were tender towards their families. :(

There is nothing new at all in that. :(

[taboo]

Hey peeps
I just wanted to let all you pen pals and rest know I have decided to finally conclude my letter writing . I dont brag about things at all but it was for educational and research purposes and I thought you would all be curious to know what I have really learnt about writing to RR . Yes he comes across as being polight but in his later letters he will ask more and more about your sexual experiences ? Photos ? the kind of materials you like to feel upon your skin ? And many more and believe me there will be more and more personal later on . Especially when he asks for photos of you in your bikinni and as a child . It will alarm you all even more he told me what my horoscope tells him of who I am and a drawing of a monkey holding a bananna !!! You can almost certainly think thats not just your imagination running loose and the bananna stands for something ! It is the real thing . Everything is intended .

I felt I had reached a point where I was beginning to get very disturbed by it all ( and I always was worried before and during ) and thats my intuition telling me to stop now . Evereyone is entitled to their opinions yes but believe me after reading those letters and others .... he is more then capable of being the man who did all those horrable crimes . Very much so and if you are someone who thinks he is innocent you are very wrong . Its all there what you see is what you get . Thats the answer . You will not find anything out because we all know what the answer is . Thats it . I just wanted to share this all with you as part of my experience and to let the younger ones especially girls be very aware of it . If people do write they need to know what to expect first of all and what to gain from it ... nothing .

[kristina]

thanks taboo for the information.i have not been writing to richard that long but you have given me insight about what he will ask me later on. its a bit creppy asking you about your sexual experiences.if he asks me those sorts of questions im not going to answer.and if gets to personal im going to stop contact.

[taboo]

thanks taboo for the information.i have not been writing to richard that long but you have given me insight about what he will ask me later on. its a bit creppy asking you about your sexual experiences.if he asks me those sorts of questions im not going to answer.and if gets to personal im going to stop contact.


he asked me once and thats it but with his memory I am sure it would come up again at some point . He asked me what kind of material do i like to wear upon my skin ... silk or nylon ? and in a very recent letter he asked do I like trying new experiences out ? staying at home or going out >? The last one not so bad but you just have to keep your wits wary . It can come across as just harmless curioisty , he isnt the sharpest person but he isnt stupid either . I think from what you write hun your also a smart girl like I said dont answer if you dont want to many times i just avoided those questions like he did with some of mines and his memory most the time wouldnt probaably remember ...just the things he want to know and hear like men telling women what they want to hear . I want you to not worry because your safe but just be smart and i did go through a small period of thinking maybe Im like one the only females who writes or hears from him .... YOUR NOT .If you get to the point where u feel he has over stepped the mark dont write anymore . Oh and I also realised no he doesnt care , if he did he wouldnt even ask those kind of questions ... period .

[kristina]

when i write to richard i try to keep it very basic .i did ask him about his family. he said he does not see them very often and i do ask him when he was at school. i think he has a regret about not staying on at school.

[taboo]

when i write to richard i try to keep it very basic .i did ask him about his family. he said he does not see them very often and i do ask him when he was at school. i think he has a regret about not staying on at school.

He doesnt speak to much about his family and i know about them not seeing him part he wrote that in someone elses letter . I told u all his stuff is recycled . He regrets not asking out many girls in high school I think thats it . I dont think its a matter of him wishing he did stay , clearly he had other priorities and imagine what happend to him as a kid he wouldnt want to stay at school after seing his cousin shoot his wife ! Apparently he wasnt like grossed but he was in shock and walked home just after this not able to tell anyone . He is a victim of his own environment you see it every day with normal people . They become who they are in their social environment .

[kristina]

i think its environment like you say, but i think also its down to the person being very weak.

[taboo]

i think its environment like you say, but i think also its down to the person being very weak.

Yes perhaps but remember he was a child at one point so in that case he was more vulnerable and reached a point where things werent right anymore and he reached breaking point .But most people who do use that and enforce it into a positive way . It is a sad story yes but he is clearly very disturbed , manipulative and creepy .

[curlyq26]

i guess i dont see it as RR being weak. i dont think it's a matter of weak or strong. there are other "weak" people in this world and i do not believe they have these types of disturbed fantasies in their head. i think something in his brain is wired differently than us. just my opinion.

[kristina]

yes your right about that. i think it does have somthing to do with the brain not wired right.

[taboo]

yes your right about that. i think it does have somthing to do with the brain not wired right.
Of course it is ! No rashional person would go out and kill so many people for fun like he did . I told u the answer is so simple just people need to stop reading sooo much into it and saying this happend because of this and that . Hes just mentally disturbed due to a number of reasons thats it end of story and like I mentioned he had brain damage as a child and suffered seizures all that amounts to the final being . We are all creatures of habbit and victims of our own environments .

[kristina]

does anyone know if richard is still married to his wife doreen.i have been hearing rumers there not together anymore.

[taboo]

does anyone know if richard is still married to his wife doreen.i have been hearing rumers there not together anymore.

Me too and i know he posted a pen pal thing on line from prison asking for female pen pals and wants a good friend but not a romance plus i also mentioned to u that she hasnt posted anything for like 2 years on here or SKC or the other chat boards .

[curlyq26]

i've asked RR multiple times in my letters about his wife and he has never once answered. shocking. but i kinda think if they weren't married anymore, we'd hear about it...

[taboo]

i've asked RR multiple times in my letters about his wife and he has never once answered. shocking. but i kinda think if they weren't married anymore, we'd hear about it...
I mentioned her a couple times and same thing , he is very private though so it could just be they are no longer together and he doesnt want anyone to know nor she either .

[kristina]

i wish doreen would come on this site and say hello and say these rumers are not true.

[taboo]

She did deny those rumors in an old post on here back in 2006 I think . Go look . But one thing which also makes me wonder they are no longer " together " is he usually tells his female pen pals he would like to send them a bday card ( as he did with me but didnt and just said happy bday in a letter ) . Now think he must have followed that through and I have seen a card on 2 from him on some sites but like a valentines card . Who do u think has access to blank cards from the outside world ... Doreen and she has also written a few signing off Doreen and Richard Ramirez , plus xmas cards . So its odd that appears to have stopped ... makes u wonder doesnt it ?!? I wonder if anyone else had though about that ...?

[SaraSidle]

She did deny those rumors in an old post on here back in 2006 I think . Go look . But one thing which also makes me wonder they are no longer " together " is he usually tells his female pen pals he would like to send them a bday card ( as he did with me but didnt and just said happy bday in a letter ) . Now think he must have followed that through and I have seen a card on 2 from him on some sites but like a valentines card . Who do u think has access to blank cards from the outside world ... Doreen and she has also written a few signing off Doreen and Richard Ramirez , plus xmas cards . So its odd that appears to have stopped ... makes u wonder doesnt it ?!? I wonder if anyone else had though about that ...?

well maybe she does not want to be a part of the card thing. especially to females all over. Still it would be nice to have her post again. She certainly never holds back on anything. IMO
sara

[taboo]

well maybe she does not want to be a part of the card thing. especially to females all over. Still it would be nice to have her post again. She certainly never holds back on anything. IMO
sara

I look at the posts here and SKC ( every now and then not much ) One member said she hasnt been posting because she hurt her arm and its in a cast , somewhere else I read she was in a chair for a bit from an eye account , someone mentioned they opened the gate for her as the guards did nothing just look at her . It must be very tough being her . I know thats going to perhaps cause a back lash probably from WIND we all know how she feels about her ! Also there was a guy on SKC who would post after Doreen giving her an ear full of verbal abuse so to speak and the pair had posts up replying to each other . She told him something like dont u have anything better to do then to come from under your rock and turn every sentence I say against me . That was harsh from his side I must agree . But I am sure she would get an ear full from ALOT of people . She also mentioned having her car window smashed like several times ( by a couple of shady characters who were jealous of her relationship with RR ) and had a discount with a car garage because she would visit them very freqently . She also mentioned RR's Nephews and nieces at school got bullied by their peers and clearly they are too young themselves to know what its all about and probably are being kept protected and in the dark by their own parents .

[kristina]

yes i saw those posts as well i know there is one member that really has it in for her.they have been argueing for years on the message boards.

[taboo]

yes i saw those posts as well i know there is one member that really has it in for her.they have been argueing for years on the message boards.

Yup ! Indeed . I think she gave up totally . Personally if it was me I wouldnt give a toss in doing that she knows there will be a back lash .

[taboo]

well maybe she does not want to be a part of the card thing. especially to females all over. Still it would be nice to have her post again. She certainly never holds back on anything. IMO
sara


Wierd just after like 2 or 3 days of me talking about the card thing I get a letter today from him with a letter , drawing and a belated xmas card with no writing in it . Deffintly drawn the line now of my correspondence ( especially asking directly do u have any photos of you as a kid ? Id like to see .Its so time to stop ! and Kristina and Curly I should advise u to be careful what you say and stop when you are telling yourself to . Its called intuition .

[kristina]

i am still waiting for my letter from him,i sent a letter at the beginning of january so i should get one back soon.i find the asking for a picture as a kid a bit creepy, does he ask that in everyone letters. thank you taboo for your concern and looking after us newbies.

[taboo]

i am still waiting for my letter from him,i sent a letter at the beginning of january so i should get one back soon.i find the asking for a picture as a kid a bit creepy, does he ask that in everyone letters. thank you taboo for your concern and looking after us newbies.

Its ok hun I wouldnt want you newbies your the only one going through it cause your not at all . He has asked twice now . He asks constantly about sending photos too in this one he asked if i can send more of me but I am totally fead up now really I cant be bothered anymore , the boredom kicks in after about 5 or 6 months really . Nothing new or exciting and nor will it ever be but you have to control that and put a foot down and say enough. No more writing when you feel you should , just do it . You have control .
I usually get one like every month if I did write , I sent my last one a couple weeks ago so should hear within next 2 weeks . But it takes 3 weeks to get to him and another week to get back to us ... depending where u are but I think I am pretty much the same as you yankees and the rest of Europe . I read and Ozzie girl who said she gets one every 6 weeks but thats understandable regarding where Australia is !!

Oh and before I first started writing to him , I did tons of reading web site looking on his letters and cards so have included the links .

http://www.supernaught.com/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=5
http://serialkillersink.net/skistore/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=8

[kristina]

thanks taboo for the links very interesting letters and cards. i can not believe some of the things he says in his letters to these women ,eternally yours richard your my one and only nobody else cant live with out you.thats being very disloyal to his wife.and by the way i am english.

[taboo]

thanks taboo for the links very interesting letters and cards. i can not believe some of the things he says in his letters to these women ,eternally yours richard your my one and only nobody else cant live with out you.thats being very disloyal to his wife.and by the way i am english.

Hell yes !!!! The card I got from him he didnt write in it was pretty much along those lines to ... it was a long quote from a woman he didnt write anything but it was along the lines of the same thing like i want to spent every xmas with you . You are my one best friend etc I just think his wife is a moron and in total denial !!! Maybe she has seen sense now who knows but in one those letters on a link you saw there was a letter he wrote along asking one woman " Do you masterbate ? " but i think that was before him and his wife got married still apparently they were still courting or engaged I shall have to re check maybe it was after they got married .

[kristina]

richard must have a lot of best friends. and as for doreen seeing sense no shes completely dedicated to him and been with him for over 20 years.from what i have seen of her richard is her life.

[taboo]

richard must have a lot of best friends. and as for doreen seeing sense no shes completely dedicated to him and been with him for over 20 years.from what i have seen of her richard is her life.

Hmmm well she hasnt been defending him for the last 2 or more years it seems now online.

[grneyes]

Hmmm well she hasnt been defending him for the last 2 or more years it seems now online.

Maybe she got tired of the lack of sympathy from people that think RR deserves everything he gets (and more) in prison? :rolleyes:

[kristina]

i got my letter back from richard the other day and got a drawing with it.

[taboo]

i got my letter back from richard the other day and got a drawing with it.

I think we have all gotten bored now of talking about him ... no ?

[SaraSidle]

LOL maybe you have taboo?

[kristina]

hello taboo how are you

[taboo]

LOL maybe you have taboo?

Yes to be honest I'm all talked out about RR now it seems .

[taboo]

hello taboo how are you
I'm fine newbie Kristina just a bit more busier now ! Hope your well and being careful young lady ! I'm sure u are but please do look after yourself snookums . Ciao ciao.

[kristina]

i am doing fine thank you. i am having a long week off work.

[SaraSidle]

are you still writing RR?

[kristina]

yes i am still writing to RR i got a letter back from him about 3 weeks ago.are you still writing him.

[SaraSidle]

I never wrote him. I know about him and his case too well. Did you read the book Night Stalker by Carlos?

[taboo]

yes i am still writing to RR i got a letter back from him about 3 weeks ago.are you still writing him.

No no not anymore I gave up when I felt it was the right time to . I could see his letters getting more darker and asking more very personal questions . i felt i stopped it when it was time to nip it in the bud . I hope you do too but thats your decision Kristina newbie hehhe x

[kristina]

yes i have got the nightstalker book at home by phllip carlo. i have read it a couple of times.and thanks taboo for the thought.