Richard Ramirez

[Super Volcano]

Oh sure Sara, you know Richie and I are so close now.........not! Haven't written him back since letter no.2. One day I'll have to share with you the content....

Heck, I think most of us would also be interested in that letter's content. :beer:

[Drumbum]

You should write richie, drummy, if anyone could persuade him to reveal himself it would be you......mr. charismatic:cool:

glad you like the latest pic....it's my cool, don't **** with me look......ha!

He'd be scurred of me coz I'm a real man.

[Super Volcano]

Sexuh pic Karin. :cool: Opps! Gotta stay on topic. I'll write R.R. I'll tell him what a ****** **** ********* ** he is.

Hahahahaha I love it when you do your Elvis impersonation!!!!! (sp?) :D Ditto on telling R.R the SAME thing

[Drumbum]

Hahahahaha I love it when you do your Elvis impersonation!!!!! (sp?) :D Ditto on telling R.R the SAME thing

Well, ya know, I'm just a hunk a burnin luuv.

[Karin]

Heck, I think most of us would also be interested in that letter's content. :beer:

Hi SV, yes the content is interesting, but not worthy of wasting anyones time....Sara is privey for investigative reasons.......ha!

[Super Volcano]

He'd be scurred of me coz I'm a real man.

I am not sure what "impersonation" I should call you here, Grizzly Adams perhaps? ROFL :D:rose:

[Super Volcano]

Hi SV, yes the content is interesting, but not worthy of wasting anyones time....Sara is privey for investigative reasons.......ha!

Do you think it is REALLY from R.R? It is really weird, to read things from R.R, making himself seem like an average every day Joe Shmo. Kind of makes me feel sorry for him. Then all I have to do is look at his ugly mug, and realization kicks in, to what a **** he really is.

[SaraSidle]

Oh sure Sara, you know Richie and I are so close now.........not! Haven't written him back since letter no.2. One day I'll have to share with you the content....

cool. just trying to help lol. j/k

[Nathalie]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

[SaraSidle]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

yes he is still married to Doreen and she posts here once in a while. imo

[Karin]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

Hi Nathalie, yes this is a popular thread...how cool that your dad is a forensics guy...you will be popular here! I see that Sara answered your question about Doreen.....Welcome to the CL....we have alot of fun here.

oh by the way....as you go farther back in reading this thread you will see how ironic I think it is that your avvy is of feet.

[RogerV]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?


Hi Nathalie,
I'd actually recommend googling Richard Ramirez or "Night Stalker," as IMHO the writeup here on Crime Library isn't the best. More detailed accounts of his capture can be found elsewhere, actually.

Yes, as far as I know the "crazy girl" is still married to him... someone claiming to be her has posted on this site, but nobody seems to know for sure if it is really her.

I happened to be visiting the L.A. area when he was captured, and seem to remember that his MO usually, though not always, involved situations were he used unlocked doors or open windows to gain access to his victims' homes. The best defence against him was to secure doors and windows properly, though it was a hot summer, and that made for some discomfort.

On the other hand, each of his attacks was a little different, unlike most serial killers. Again, unlike most serial killers, his attacks came close together and he was stupid enough to leave fingerprints behind. The frequency of his attacks drastically heightened vigilance of both law enforcement and citizens, and that lead to his identification and capture.

Someone became suspicious of an orange Toyota, and reported it. It was found to be stolen, and at least one good fingerprint was found in it. The police staked it out, but he didn't come back for it. However, the print matched some left at at least one crime scene, and a computer search finally matched those prints with an existing record. His picture was released, and he was caught within 24 hours, largely due to the vigilance of ordinary citizens. They might well have killed him if Law Enforcement hadn't arrived on the scene promptly.

[Drumbum]

I think it will take me a long time to read this thread, but I am amazed at the interest. I was a little girl living in San Fran during that time. My dad is a forensic scientist and was very interested in this case. He was never involved, but he kept us up late at night scaring the crap out of me and my mom. I didn't understand all of it then, but I now appreciate the fear we all had. It is amazing that he is still alive. Is he still married to the crazy girl that snared him?

Welcome. Jumping in with both feet eh? :)

[sharlock]

Welcome Nathalie,
I find all of these stories fascinating. If you are a crime buff like us it would be very cool to have a forensic scientist in the family. Look forward to reading your posts!

[Nathalie]

Hi Nathalie, yes this is a popular thread...how cool that your dad is a forensics guy...you will be popular here! I see that Sara answered your question about Doreen.....Welcome to the CL....we have alot of fun here.

oh by the way....as you go farther back in reading this thread you will see how ironic I think it is that your avvy is of feet.

Thanks for the warm welcome Karin. I do see what you mean about the feet and that is funny! Did you ever send Richard a picture of your feet? I would love to know how he responded to that?

[Nathalie]

Hi Nathalie,
I'd actually recommend googling Richard Ramirez or "Night Stalker," as IMHO the writeup here on Crime Library isn't the best. More detailed accounts of his capture can be found elsewhere, actually.

Yes, as far as I know the "crazy girl" is still married to him... someone claiming to be her has posted on this site, but nobody seems to know for sure if it is really her.

I happened to be visiting the L.A. area when he was captured, and seem to remember that his MO usually, though not always, involved situations were he used unlocked doors or open windows to gain access to his victims' homes. The best defence against him was to secure doors and windows properly, though it was a hot summer, and that made for some discomfort.

On the other hand, each of his attacks was a little different, unlike most serial killers. Again, unlike most serial killers, his attacks came close together and he was stupid enough to leave fingerprints behind. The frequency of his attacks drastically heightened vigilance of both law enforcement and citizens, and that lead to his identification and capture.

Someone became suspicious of an orange Toyota, and reported it. It was found to be stolen, and at least one good fingerprint was found in it. The police staked it out, but he didn't come back for it. However, the print matched some left at at least one crime scene, and a computer search finally matched those prints with an existing record. His picture was released, and he was caught within 24 hours, largely due to the vigilance of ordinary citizens. They might well have killed him if Law Enforcement hadn't arrived on the scene promptly.


Thanks for the condensed version! I think he got lucky that day, although I don't know to what end?

[Karin]

Thanks for the warm welcome Karin. I do see what you mean about the feet and that is funny! Did you ever send Richard a picture of your feet? I would love to know how he responded to that?

Hi Nathalie, no I never sent any pictures of my feet. I got a couple of letters back and have sorta lost interest in continuing. If I ever decide to write again, I'll be sure to send some feet. Can I borrow yours? Sent you a pm.

[SaraSidle]

Hi Nathalie, no I never sent any pictures of my feet. I got a couple of letters back and have sorta lost interest in continuing. If I ever decide to write again, I'll be sure to send some feet. Can I borrow yours? Sent you a pm.

I still think the nails should be painted red!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amy]

Hi Nathalie, no I never sent any pictures of my feet. I got a couple of letters back and have sorta lost interest in continuing. If I ever decide to write again, I'll be sure to send some feet. Can I borrow yours? Sent you a pm.

Maybe you wanna send mine--both the big toe nails have been removed..and with my old, dry skin, and the other nails painted red, or maybe black or green, maybe they will make him swear off feet forever!!!!! LOL

[Drumbum]

I still think the nails should be painted red!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not rainbow? Like, peace. :beer:

[Fish Face Frank]

Gee, maybe I should rush to answer this ad---and maybe make some money helping him sell his artwork!! Wonder how rich I would get? Wonder if I would have to submit pics of my feet? Golly gee, what to do, what to do? :shrug:

LMAO did he really ask you for that?

[Amy]

LMAO did he really ask you for that?

Not me!!! He did ask Karin, tho. I was just offering mine. lol

[Fish Face Frank]

Not me!!! He did ask Karin, tho. I was just offering mine. lol

And yet his wife deems this guy worthy to end her life over. :shrug:


I think it would creep me out to know that I was giving a serial killer beat off material. But I am sure THOUSANDS of girls have done it, or that wouldn't be the 1st thing he would mention when responding to a letter.

[Karin]

Maybe you wanna send mine--both the big toe nails have been removed..and with my old, dry skin, and the other nails painted red, or maybe black or green, maybe they will make him swear off feet forever!!!!! LOL

Hi Amy, you are cracking me up at the thought of your toes...ha ha! OK, I agree that your feet are the best choice....

[grneyes]

And yet his wife deems this guy worthy to end her life over. :shrug:


I think it would creep me out to know that I was giving a serial killer beat off material. But I am sure THOUSANDS of girls have done it, or that wouldn't be the 1st thing he would mention when responding to a letter.

Ewww gross, thanks for that mental image of RR Frank.......The thought of him whacking off to anything is disgusting.

[susie31023]

Ewww gross, thanks for that mental image of RR Frank.......The thought of him whacking off to anything is disgusting.

I agree GE. Actually the thought that he is allowed any letters at all is disgusting to me...:cuss:

[Drumbum]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

[susie31023]

DB, please tell me you didn't go there, LOL..That is just more information than I needed...~Suz

[SaraSidle]

i recall sean penn describing his experience being in jail with r.r.

Penn said r.r beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

whatever db

[Super Volcano]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

What was Sean Penn in jail for, and why would they put him in with a serial killer, like R.R? interesting. I feel bad for him that he got to see R.R's (ah hem) shrink a dink willy. I would go to a hypnotist to wash my memory clean of the experience!!!!:chicken:

[SaraSidle]

What was Sean Penn in jail for, and why would they put him in with a serial killer, like R.R? interesting. I feel bad for him that he got to see R.R's (ah hem) shrink a dink willy. I would go to a hypnotist to wash my memory clean of the experience!!!!:chicken:

LOL SV you just made me lose it so bad. My husband thought I had gone crazy cause I could not stop laughing so much..... thank you sara

[Karin]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

What.... are you just pulling stuff out your a** now?

[SaraSidle]

What.... are you just pulling stuff out your a** now?

Karin you did it again.......now DH is convinced I have lost it. thanks sweetie

[grneyes]

What.... are you just pulling stuff out your a** now?

*rotflmao*

[Super Volcano]

LOL SV you just made me lose it so bad. My husband thought I had gone crazy cause I could not stop laughing so much..... thank you sara

No problemo. I hope it will leave my imagination soon!!! Was Sean Penn really in prison, or what?:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

No problemo. I hope it will leave my imagination soon!!! Was Sean Penn really in prison, or what?:shrug:

I have no idea. I am sure his crime was not as severe but I am also sure he was put into solitary to stay safe..IMo sara

[Super Volcano]

I have no idea. I am sure his crime was not as severe but I am also sure he was put into solitary to stay safe..IMo sara

I always thought of Sean Penn as being a weirdo. He is an ok actor, but he is really fruity, too. He married Madonna. That should say everything about him right there!!! IMO

[grneyes]

He was arrested for assaulting a photographer.

[SaraSidle]

He was arrested for assaulting a photographer.

That is correct.....I just do not believe that the offense would put him with RR. IMO

[Fish Face Frank]

Ewww gross, thanks for that mental image of RR Frank.......The thought of him whacking off to anything is disgusting.

No problem. Glad I could help. :o

[Fish Face Frank]

I recall Sean Penn describing his experience being in jail with R.R.

Penn said R.R beat it too much. Hrmm, what's too much? I wonder whose feet he was thinking of.

Sean Penn's?

[Drumbum]

According to Phil Carlo's book, R.R. and Sean Penn were both staying at the LA County hotel. R.R. was being tried and Penn was serving for hitting Madonna. They were neighbors.

[Karin]

According to Phil Carlo's book, R.R. and Sean Penn were both staying at the LA County hotel. R.R. was being tried and Penn was serving for hitting Madonna. They were neighbors.

Sorry I doubted you Drummy....you do know your stuff!

[Karin]

Welcome, Karin. This link may prove most informative concerning the DP watch.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ Happy reading. ;)

This is my second response from my first post on the CL back on June 29th. Had just gotten into the serial killer stuff. Sara was the first to welcome me here and Drummy was second....Thanks guys for staying such good CL buddies and for always keeping each other entertained....Feeling nostalgic today:(

[Karin]

Karin, if you "had a real problem writing him" and felt like you were "committing a terrible sin to contact such a person," why do it? Why even come to a message board about Richard? Also, just so you know, the fastest way to make sure you never get a second letter from Richard is to go on the Internet and tell "y'all" about the first one.


Last we heard of her, no?

[Amy]

No problemo. I hope it will leave my imagination soon!!! Was Sean Penn really in prison, or what?:shrug:

I don't know if it was actually PRISON, or just the county jail, but Sean Penn really was incarcerated some years ago--probably on some drug charges, can't remember for sure. What I do remember is that he was allowed to leave his cell (wherever it was) to go on set every day. I imagine, even if he wasn't in any of the scenes shot that day. 'Cuz the film was soooo important.

Anyway, I don't think he was ever really in San Quinten, let alone w/RR. DR prisoners don't have cell mates, don't have contact w/much of anyone except visiting day. OTOH, w/Sean Penn being such an important celebrity and all, he might have gotten the guards to let him visit RR, if he was incarcerated in San Quentin.

[SaraSidle]

This is my second response from my first post on the CL back on June 29th. Had just gotten into the serial killer stuff. Sara was the first to welcome me here and Drummy was second....Thanks guys for staying such good CL buddies and for always keeping each other entertained....Feeling nostalgic today:(

Thanks Karin. It has been great posting with you. I am glad you are here.
Sara:rose:

[grneyes]

That is correct.....I just do not believe that the offense would put him with RR. IMO

No, he got 30 days in jail but I'm not sure he had to stay the entire 30.

I see he was later charged with felony domestic assault during his marriage with Madonna. He pleaded to a misdemeanor but I haven't found out how much time he got for that one.. .

[SaraSidle]

No, he got 30 days in jail but I'm not sure he had to stay the entire 30.

I see he was later charged with felony domestic assault during his marriage with Madonna. He pleaded to a misdemeanor but I haven't found out how much time he got for that one.. .

good job grneyes.

[SaraSidle]

Last we heard of her, no?

yes Karin. that post was made in July 2008. Time before that was May 2207.

[Super Volcano]

Sean Penn's?

Haha, very funny Frank!!! I love your sense of humor!!! You, Drummie, and J.Bell really lighten things up here for us gals with your incredible sense of humor. We should start a new thread, called "comedy central," where you guys try to out do each other!!! It would be a big hit, too!!!:D

[Drumbum]

The Nightstalker by Phillip Carlo is where I got the tidbit about RR,feet, and Sean Penn.

[Super Volcano]

The Nightstalker by Phillip Carlo is where I got the tidbit about RR,feet, and Sean Penn.

Havta check it out.....Neanderthal question: is this a book, movie, or both? :shrug:

[Serial Killer X]

It's Just A Book And It's A Perfectly Normal Question To Ask :) Very Good Book Btw.

-SKX

[Super Volcano]

It's Just A Book And It's A Perfectly Normal Question To Ask :) Very Good Book Btw.

-SKX

Cool!!! I plan on checking it out next time I go to the Library.:D

[SaraSidle]

Cool!!! I plan on checking it out next time I go to the Library.:D

I would SV. I have the book and I have already read it 3 times. It is quite shocking in places. I think he was evil sometimes. sara

[SaraSidle]

It's Just A Book And It's A Perfectly Normal Question To Ask :) Very Good Book Btw.

-SKX

Interesting SKX. wonder why it has not been made into a movie? sara

[Drumbum]

Interesting SKX. wonder why it has not been made into a movie? sara

There's a couple movies about R.R. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097825/
Here's the one I like. Happy viewing darlin.

[Karin]

There's a couple movies about R.R. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097825/
Here's the one I like. Happy viewing darlin.

Thanks for the info. Drummy......I have never seen this movie.....think I may kick back and do that soon. Want to come over and watch with me? I'll make some munchies for us.

[Drumbum]

Thanks for the info. Drummy......I have never seen this movie.....think I may kick back and do that soon. Want to come over and watch with me? I'll make some munchies for us.

Sure huns, I like Richard Jordan. I'll bring popcorn.

[Karin]

Sure huns, I like Richard Jordan. I'll bring popcorn.

I can't wait! Yippie! See you soon my friend...

[Super Volcano]

I can't wait! Yippie! See you soon my friend...

Hey, can I come? I will bring the drinks!!!!!:D

[Super Volcano]

Sure huns, I like Richard Jordan. I'll bring popcorn.

Whoo-hoo. Drummie!!! Did you break all of our hearts, and go get married? :D (your avatar is awesome :))

[Drumbum]

Whoo-hoo. Drummie!!! Did you break all of our hearts, and go get married? :D (your avatar is awesome :))

Thanks huns. I like it too. You all picked it out for me, I just hadn't put it on yet. Now, where's my Walther and Aston Martin.. :cool:

[Super Volcano]

Thanks huns. I like it too. You all picked it out for me, I just hadn't put it on yet. Now, where's my Walther and Aston Martin.. :cool:

Who ever did the actual picking did a GREAT job!!! Neanderthal question: what is Walther and Aston Martin? Drinks, guns, ???? :shrug: ;)

[Amy]

Who ever did the actual picking did a GREAT job!!! Neanderthal question: what is Walther and Aston Martin? Drinks, guns, ???? :shrug: ;)

I think an Aston Martin might be a car? Wouldn't have a clue about the Walther. (Probably don't have a clue about the Aston Martin, either.:)

[Karin]

Who ever did the actual picking did a GREAT job!!! Neanderthal question: what is Walther and Aston Martin? Drinks, guns, ???? :shrug: ;)

Hi Sup, love the Neanderthal reference....ha! I would tell you what a Walther is, but I would rather wait until Drummy tells you. He will probably be able to give it a bit of a romantic angle, being that he loves those things so much!

Aston Martin is a British made sports car, and one that Bond, James Bond enjoys....

See ya at the party...

[Super Volcano]

Hi Sup, love the Neanderthal reference....ha! I would tell you what a Walther is, but I would rather wait until Drummy tells you. He will probably be able to give it a bit of a romantic angle, being that he loves those things so much!

Aston Martin is a British made sports car, and one that Bond, James Bond enjoys....

See ya at the party...

Ha!!! Drummie is going from his Elvis impersonation to a distinguished English accent? Austin Powers the 2nd? (j/k :)) Yea, I am looking forward to the party!!!!!!:beer:

[Nathalie]

Hi Sup, love the Neanderthal reference....ha! I would tell you what a Walther is, but I would rather wait until Drummy tells you. He will probably be able to give it a bit of a romantic angle, being that he loves those things so much!

Aston Martin is a British made sports car, and one that Bond, James Bond enjoys....

See ya at the party...

Hi Karin, nice of you to leave the glory for your Drummy. I won't give it away either, but I will say that my dad has a few Walthers and he thinks Carl is a hero. He collects them and is a very proud father. LOL!

[Drumbum]

New model Walther of course, maybe an original for sentimental value. :cool:
My suit is tailored nicely. My thanks.

[Karin]

New model Walther of course, maybe an original for sentimental value. :cool:
My suit is tailored nicely. My thanks.


Drummy, you didn't answer the question that the girls had about what a Walther is, come on now....?

[Drumbum]

Drummy, you didn't answer the question that the girls had about what a Walther is, come on now....?

I'll cite because it makes you tingle.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10002&catalogId=13102&content=11001

Bond, James Bond normally carries a Walther as his sidearm.

[Super Volcano]

I'll cite because it makes you tingle.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10002&catalogId=13102&content=11001

Bond, James Bond normally carries a Walther as his sidearm.

Very smooth, there , Drummie with your sophisticated James Bond Walther...Are they still used today, do you know? Or are they on the extinct list with other old guns?

[SaraSidle]

Very smooth, there , Drummie with your sophisticated James Bond Walther...Are they still used today, do you know? Or are they on the extinct list with other old guns?

How can I need anything more to be impressed?????????// New avatar new astin martin and new pistol. I am just drooling Drummie. all the women here just must be besides themselves...........

[Drumbum]

Very smooth, there , Drummie with your sophisticated James Bond Walther...Are they still used today, do you know? Or are they on the extinct list with other old guns?

Yes, Walther firearms are still manufactured and evolving. They are said to be durable and reliable, but pricey.

[Drumbum]

How can I need anything more to be impressed?????????// New avatar new astin martin and new pistol. I am just drooling Drummie. all the women here just must be besides themselves...........

Drummy would like to treat his girls to a boat ride on the Mediterranean. :cool:

[Super Volcano]

Drummy would like to treat his girls to a boat ride on the Mediterranean. :cool:

LOL and we would all like to take you up on your offer!!!!! :rose:

[SaraSidle]

LOL and we would all like to take you up on your offer!!!!! :rose:

Oh yeah trip in the mediterrean All women are ready.

[Drumbum]

Drummy's yacht Pipe Dream is being stocked and fueled. Ready to shove off when you ladies are. :D

[SaraSidle]

Drummy's yacht Pipe Dream is being stocked and fueled. Ready to shove off when you ladies are. :D

You go Drummie babe.............you are my pipe dream

[Karin]

You go Drummie babe.............you are my pipe dream

Sara, you are my new hero.....I love you!

[Drumbum]

Sara, you are my new hero.....I love you!

You ladies are my heros. I love you. :rose:

[Drumbum]

You go Drummie babe.............you are my pipe dream

May your dreams be vivid. ;)

[Fish Face Frank]

Drummy's yacht Pipe Dream is being stocked and fueled. Ready to shove off when you ladies are. :D

That is one cruise I would not be attending. :D

[Super Volcano]

That is one cruise I would not be attending. :D

ROFL!!!! Oh, come on, Frankie!!! One guy, out of like 15 women is ok, but to have you along would throw some more fun in the mix!!! We could get Joseph Bell to come along too!!!! But only if your fiance approves!!!

[Trucrimefan]

So he is still waiting in line for his date with the needle??

[grneyes]

So he is still waiting in line for his date with the needle??

Yes he is still waiting.

Welcome to CL trucrimefan. :seeya:

[Trucrimefan]

Yes he is still waiting.

Welcome to CL trucrimefan. :seeya:

Thank you. Nice to see a fellow Ontarian on here too.

[grneyes]

Thank you. Nice to see a fellow Ontarian on here too.

My hubby calls me an import because I'm actually American but I've been here almost 11 years. :-)

[Karin]

So he is still waiting in line for his date with the needle??

Yes and will probably be there for a long time. California isn't fond of killing it's criminals...

[wind149]

Grind very slowly in CA! Tookie Williams a POS who in 1979 murdered 4 people in cold blood and was not executed for 24 years!!! I find it hard to wrap my mind around why RR has not been executed yet either, he terrorized an entire city for weeks, he raped as well as murdered and is a devout Satanist! No, instead he sits in San Q and has visits with his blushing bride Doreen who is a sick puppy in her own right, she actually thinks and I quote: "He is a warm and loving human being, he is kind and gentle" BARF! Kinda hard to rape and torture a woman behind bars! She holds court over the other sick puppy groupies because she married him and that galls me to my last nerve. This POS murdered 14 people and he got to get married, he has color cable TV in his cell, three hots, can go outside and bask in the warm CA air, can have visits with wifey and the most disgusting part, he still has appeals left with the courts to save his sorry ass from execution probably for another 10 years!!

I fully expect to be in my grave when they execute Scott Peterson and I am 50! CA needs to follow TX, they don't bask on the taxpayers very long in TX and this past month, they have executed I think 3 real sick puppies and in TX they are locked down 23 hours, they don't associate with other inmates, they can exercise in a dog cage an hour a day and visits are only granted near the execution date, they get 3 hots a day and they don't have cable or AC and this is how they should live, with only the basics and FL also follows TX, they can only have 13' B&W TV's and no cable or AC and the average stay on DR is 12 years not 20! RR is living better than he did on the streets! I read one day what they were served for dinner at San Q and it did not sound half bad. Baked chicken, rice, gravy, veggies, and ice cream for dessert!! They should be getting only bread and water!!! I have actually about 5 years ago wrote CA's Dept of Corrections about this scumbag and they told me that he had appeals left and here it is almost 2009 and he has been in jail 20 years already!! Disgusting! I feel if you have the only person that a million to one odds that did the crime and they are given a death sentence then you carry it out in a timely fashion like they do in other countries, 30-90 days, is reasonable, and certainly would save taxpayer's billions of dollars that they shell out to house, feed, and amuse and their lawyer bills, it is staggering to think how much CA shells out, because they have about 1,000 inmates on DR in San Q alone, now this is just a estimate, for all I know there are more and if it cost taxpayers $35,000 a year for just one inmate, and they sit on DR for 20 years plus, look how much money the taxpayers have had to shell out for one beyond redemption POS who should not even be breathing 20 years later!!! I think you guys in CA need to write the Gov there a letter and ask him to speed up the process, I know if I lived there, I would haunt him on this!!!

[Super Volcano]

Grind very slowly in CA! Tookie Williams a POS who in 1979 murdered 4 people in cold blood and was not executed for 24 years!!! I find it hard to wrap my mind around why RR has not been executed yet either, he terrorized an entire city for weeks, he raped as well as murdered and is a devout Satanist! No, instead he sits in San Q and has visits with his blushing bride Doreen who is a sick puppy in her own right, she actually thinks and I quote: "He is a warm and loving human being, he is kind and gentle" BARF! Kinda hard to rape and torture a woman behind bars! She holds court over the other sick puppy groupies because she married him and that galls me to my last nerve. This POS murdered 14 people and he got to get married, he has color cable TV in his cell, three hots, can go outside and bask in the warm CA air, can have visits with wifey and the most disgusting part, he still has appeals left with the courts to save his sorry ass from execution probably for another 10 years!!

I fully expect to be in my grave when they execute Scott Peterson and I am 50! CA needs to follow TX, they don't bask on the taxpayers very long in TX and this past month, they have executed I think 3 real sick puppies and in TX they are locked down 23 hours, they don't associate with other inmates, they can exercise in a dog cage an hour a day and visits are only granted near the execution date, they get 3 hots a day and they don't have cable or AC and this is how they should live, with only the basics and FL also follows TX, they can only have 13' B&W TV's and no cable or AC and the average stay on DR is 12 years not 20! RR is living better than he did on the streets! I read one day what they were served for dinner at San Q and it did not sound half bad. Baked chicken, rice, gravy, veggies, and ice cream for dessert!! They should be getting only bread and water!!! I have actually about 5 years ago wrote CA's Dept of Corrections about this scumbag and they told me that he had appeals left and here it is almost 2009 and he has been in jail 20 years already!! Disgusting! I feel if you have the only person that a million to one odds that did the crime and they are given a death sentence then you carry it out in a timely fashion like they do in other countries, 30-90 days, is reasonable, and certainly would save taxpayer's billions of dollars that they shell out to house, feed, and amuse and their lawyer bills, it is staggering to think how much CA shells out, because they have about 1,000 inmates on DR in San Q alone, now this is just a estimate, for all I know there are more and if it cost taxpayers $35,000 a year for just one inmate, and they sit on DR for 20 years plus, look how much money the taxpayers have had to shell out for one beyond redemption POS who should not even be breathing 20 years later!!! I think you guys in CA need to write the Gov there a letter and ask him to speed up the process, I know if I lived there, I would haunt him on this!!!

I TOTALLY agree with everything you said here!!! What did you mean by R.R having "3 hots" while being in jail? 3 messed up concubines, or something? No one has earned the rights of riding the lightning stick (as Drummie puts it) more than puke R.R. California has been asleep on the job for quite some time now. :flamemad:

[grneyes]

3 hot meals a day.

Heck, I've rarely had that my entire life and RR gets it everyday.

[RogerV]

3 hot meals a day.


Another expression you sometimes hear is "Three Squares," meaning "three square meals a day."

[Super Volcano]

3 hot meals a day.

Heck, I've rarely had that my entire life and RR gets it everyday.

OOOOOOHHHH, I see!!!! Yea, no kidding, on us normal people not eating three meals a day!!! When I am at school, and all stressed out, I am lucky if I have at least dinner for the day!!! And I have been there, where all I have in the house is Ramen noodles!!!!:shrug:

[Serial Killer X]

OOOOOOHHHH, I see!!!! Yea, no kidding, on us normal people not eating three meals a day!!! When I am at school, and all stressed out, I am lucky if I have at least dinner for the day!!! And I have been there, where all I have in the house is Ramen noodles!!!!:shrug:

Lol good old Ramen noodles.

[Super Volcano]

Lol good old Ramen noodles.

Hey, Serial K!!! I missed you!!! I haven't been on much lately, because of homework, and school. I will be SO glad to finally get my degree!!! Right now it sucks trying to get through it, but I am hoping it will go by fast. Good to see you posting here!!!!:biggrin:

[Serial Killer X]

Hey, Serial K!!! I missed you!!! I haven't been on much lately, because of homework, and school. I will be SO glad to finally get my degree!!! Right now it sucks trying to get through it, but I am hoping it will go by fast. Good to see you posting here!!!!:biggrin:

Lol yeah i missed u Mr Volcano :) lol yeah i have to study for exams Yay

[Super Volcano]

Lol yeah i missed u Mr Volcano :) lol yeah i have to study for exams Yay

LOL, yea, isn't homework a delight? After school, I could live the rest of my life, happy and content to NEVER write another report again!!! :beer:

[Dave Reddoch]

I missed you guys. I have been putting in a lot of hours at work.

[Super Volcano]

I missed you guys. I have been putting in a lot of hours at work.

I know!!! I miss everyone that used to be regulars here as well. Hopefully after the Hollidays we will all get back on. :rose:

[Serial Killer X]

LOL, yea, isn't homework a delight? After school, I could live the rest of my life, happy and content to NEVER write another report again!!! :beer:

Lol yeah but i'm nearly done so i'll be free to post on here to my heart's content :)

[Super Volcano]

Lol yeah but i'm nearly done so i'll be free to post on here to my heart's content :)

Oh, SK, I look forward to that day!!!!!!!!

[Jenna]

Hello everyone!
Just had my account activated which took a few days!! In the mean time I´ve read almost this entire thread :beer:
How come Richard has his own thread with hundreds of comments and ppl interested in him and his case, when almost no other serial killer has one? Not even the infamous Ted Bundy!?! I´m just curious to know why he seems to get to ppl more than all of the others?
(I could ofcourse ask myself since I´m here also but I´m much more interested in your answers ;) )

And by the way, I have a few questions that probably no one knows the answer to but you never know for sure until you ask :tongue:
Just finished reading Philip Carlos book and in the end of the book he mentioned that they made a tv-movie called Manhunt about R. Does anyone know where you can watch that movie here on the internet? Also Current Affair wrote an article about him called Death Row Romeo. That would be interesting to read but I haven´t been able to find it. Does anyone know if it even exists on the net or has anybody read it?

...and I was waiting for Carlo to mention later in the book if Richard ever got an answer when he wrote to Ted Bundy but he never did. I wonder what in the world Richard wanted to ask Bundy about?!? That seemed kind of creepy...:confused: and also awoke my curiosity! Does he write to other serial killers aswell??

// Jenna
(being from Sweden maybe my english is not correct so now you know why that is!)

[Karin]

Hello everyone!
Just had my account activated which took a few days!! In the mean time I´ve read almost this entire thread :beer:
How come Richard has his own thread with hundreds of comments and ppl interested in him and his case, when almost no other serial killer has one? Not even the infamous Ted Bundy!?! I´m just curious to know why he seems to get to ppl more than all of the others?
(I could ofcourse ask myself since I´m here also but I´m much more interested in your answers ;) )

And by the way, I have a few questions that probably no one knows the answer to but you never know for sure until you ask :tongue:
Just finished reading Philip Carlos book and in the end of the book he mentioned that they made a tv-movie called Manhunt about R. Does anyone know where you can watch that movie here on the internet? Also Current Affair wrote an article about him called Death Row Romeo. That would be interesting to read but I haven´t been able to find it. Does anyone know if it even exists on the net or has anybody read it?

...and I was waiting for Carlo to mention later in the book if Richard ever got an answer when he wrote to Ted Bundy but he never did. I wonder what in the world Richard wanted to ask Bundy about?!? That seemed kind of creepy...:confused: and also awoke my curiosity! Does he write to other serial killers aswell??

// Jenna
(being from Sweden maybe my english is not correct so now you know why that is!)


Hi Jenna, welcome to the CL...I was thinking about why RR has his own thread and the interest he receives over other serial killers and thought about why he interests me. I basically stumbled onto him while investigating someone else and I was amazed at the arrogance he portraited during his arrest and court battle. I started looking into him more and found myself intrigued by his story. He was good looking and acted like such a bad boy in court. This is what makes him stand out more than others and has allowed him to keep quite a following of groupies.........Go figure?

They say that RR was always interested in serial killers so I am sure he wanted to chat with Ted before they fried him....

Don't think you can watch that movie unless you download.....don't get caught.

[Jenna]

Hi Jenna, welcome to the CL...I was thinking about why RR has his own thread and the interest he receives over other serial killers and thought about why he interests me. I basically stumbled onto him while investigating someone else and I was amazed at the arrogance he portraited during his arrest and court battle. I started looking into him more and found myself intrigued by his story. He was good looking and acted like such a bad boy in court. This is what makes him stand out more than others and has allowed him to keep quite a following of groupies.........Go figure?

They say that RR was always interested in serial killers so I am sure he wanted to chat with Ted before they fried him....

Don't think you can watch that movie unless you download.....don't get caught.


Thanks!:) It´s been an interesting read so far!
And thanks for your answer regarding the interest in Richard. When I ask myself that question the answer is so shallow I dare not even write it down ;)

Would I just have loved to be a fly on the wall when Richard and Ted wrote to each other (if they actually did)! :tongue: Reading their letters would have been highly amusing, imaging the discussion between the two of them!?! Richard probably looked up to Ted like he was some sort of idol...maybe he even asked for his autograph!:rolleyes:

I was hoping the movie had been available on you tube but unfortunately not. And I don´t know if I´m interested enough to actually buy it ;)

[Drumbum]

It's a good movie and I like Richard Jordan, the actor who portrayed Salerno. Richard, Salerno and Carillo actually watched the moivie together and they found it laughable. Guess nothing can compare to reality. Happy viewing. ;)

To my knowledge, Ted Bundy was an idol of Richard's, but I believe his biggest hero was Jack the Ripper. I don't recall anything about the two corresponding and even if that would have been allowed.

[Jenna]

It's a good movie and I like Richard Jordan, the actor who portrayed Salerno. Richard, Salerno and Carillo actually watched the moivie together and they found it laughable. Guess nothing can compare to reality. Happy viewing. ;)

To my knowledge, Ted Bundy was an idol of Richard's, but I believe his biggest hero was Jack the Ripper. I don't recall anything about the two corresponding and even if that would have been allowed.

You seem to have read Carlos book aswell ;) I remember that part too, when he wrote about them watching the video together. It´s quite an interesting trio to be sitting down watching a movie! But I also remember them saying that it was weird because they found him to be a rather likeable guy!:biggrin:

Carlo also wrote in his book about Richard wanting to write to Ted and that Doreen, doing everything for him ofcourse, got the address for him. But that´s all he mentioned. I don´t know if he ever did write or what he wanted to ask Ted about or if he got an answer. I was waiting for that to come up but it didn´t.
When you mention it I do remember Richard liking Jack the ripper...all that fog and the coat etc. Hm...

[Jenna]

:confused:Where is everybody?!? It´s so empty and quiet in here ;)
I was looking forwars to lots of discssions with people here but it´s empty and lonely :(
Come on start talking (writing...) again!!! ;)

[sharlock]

:confused:Where is everybody?!? It´s so empty and quiet in here ;)
I was looking forwars to lots of discssions with people here but it´s empty and lonely :(
Come on start talking (writing...) again!!! ;)
LOl! Sorry Jenna I really do like to discuss Richard but I haven't posted in a while because I prefer to get in depth and leave the chatter to the more sociable posters here!
I have always found the women who befriend then date or marry these serial killers particularly interesting. I just can't quite rap my head around it; the last time it was brought up though it degenerated pretty quick with people just wanting to personally insult Doreen because she reads here from time to time. I have kind of given up hope of having someone like Doreen to be able to explain it to me in terms I can relate too simply because I see too much denial in what she says but I guess the attraction of someone who can never control you or hurt you but is infinitely interesting because they are so diabolical must really appeal to some(too bad if they ever get out though:tongue:Protection witness program here I come lol!). I have always had trouble believing that Richard was remorseful and I even find Doreens comments towards people whose families suffered at Richards twisted hands shows a distinct lack of remorse. I think Richard made such an impact becasue before everyone knew what a loser druggie tryhard he was he absolutely terrified people. I still hear people making comments about what it was like to live around that area before he was caught and all the precautions that people would take.
I'd write more but I really have to get so shut eye my eyes are turning square. BTW I always read the posts on this thread but I live in Australia so I am really online when you guys are all sleeping so you have to give me time to respond.
Nice to have you join us!:beer:

[wind149]

RR is an evil scumbag who should have walked the green mile 20 years ago and yet, he is still sitting in San Q visiting with his blushing bride, and I think back to the trial where he often interrupted the testimonies with his outbursts about Satan and would draw pentagrams on his hand and flash it to the media, not one iota of remorse has he ever shown and yet his victim's families are still waiting for justice and I am outraged that CA is so slack on executing death row inmates? What is the point of having the DP if you are not going to execute them in a timely fashion? I already know I will be in my grave when they needle Scott Peterson, I figure at least he sits for 20 years and I think every taxpayer in CA ought to revolt and get Arnold to start up the process and start executing scumbags like RR. Richard Allen Davis, the rapist and murderer of Polly Klass is sitting in San Q too and has a girlfriend and he too is free to roam the grounds of the prison basking in the CA sunshine when all of these dirtbags should be 70 feet underground with no sunlight and locked down 24 hours a day, a hot a day, and a shower maybe once a week, no TV or radios, no phone, mail, and sure as hell can't marry anyone, no library books, just the four walls to stare at till they get the needle. I find it appalling that death row inmates can get married or even get to have pen pals and we have all gone round 2 over this, but it does not sound like RR is doing hard time, I am surprised he does not get trailer visits with his scum wife! He gets everything else!

[Jenna]

Stealing a little time from work now by sitting here ;)
Well, I live in Sweden so I guess I´m usually writing when everybody else are asleep aswell! ;)

As far as the death penalty is concerned. I´ve always been against it. I just don´t think it´s right and it gives me shivers down my spine when I think about it. I know many americans votes in favour for it. Here in Sweden we don´t even get to vote and I´m glad because I find it totally inhuman. Sure, alot of people might deserve it but their families don´t! As so many have said before me, it just creates more victims! :shrug:

...oh time to get back to work again ;)
Bye!

[Karin]

RR is an evil scumbag who should have walked the green mile 20 years ago and yet, he is still sitting in San Q visiting with his blushing bride, and I think back to the trial where he often interrupted the testimonies with his outbursts about Satan and would draw pentagrams on his hand and flash it to the media, not one iota of remorse has he ever shown and yet his victim's families are still waiting for justice and I am outraged that CA is so slack on executing death row inmates? What is the point of having the DP if you are not going to execute them in a timely fashion? I already know I will be in my grave when they needle Scott Peterson, I figure at least he sits for 20 years and I think every taxpayer in CA ought to revolt and get Arnold to start up the process and start executing scumbags like RR. Richard Allen Davis, the rapist and murderer of Polly Klass is sitting in San Q too and has a girlfriend and he too is free to roam the grounds of the prison basking in the CA sunshine when all of these dirtbags should be 70 feet underground with no sunlight and locked down 24 hours a day, a hot a day, and a shower maybe once a week, no TV or radios, no phone, mail, and sure as hell can't marry anyone, no library books, just the four walls to stare at till they get the needle. I find it appalling that death row inmates can get married or even get to have pen pals and we have all gone round 2 over this, but it does not sound like RR is doing hard time, I am surprised he does not get trailer visits with his scum wife! He gets everything else!


Hi Wind, so why don't you tell us how you really feel? LOL! I agree with you that CA needs to execute these scum bags in a more timely manner...Geez!

[Serial Killer X]

...and I was waiting for Carlo to mention later in the book if Richard ever got an answer when he wrote to Ted Bundy but he never did. I wonder what in the world Richard wanted to ask Bundy about?!? That seemed kind of creepy...:confused: and also awoke my curiosity! Does he write to other serial killers aswell??

// Jenna
(being from Sweden maybe my english is not correct so now you know why that is!)

Hey Jenna nice to see you :) I haven't read Carlo's book i'll have to get around to it and about Bundy And Richard writing to each other it could of been about Bundys Foot Fetish? Also i think Bundy was only serial killer that Richard wrote too, but the thing that disturbs me the most is that Richard Ramirez's wife Lioy has stated that she will commit suicide when Ramirez is executed. Lol your English is perfect Jenna ;)

[sharlock]

I'm with Jenna on this one, I take the view that we lower ourselves to the level of killers when we advocate for execution. There are times when a case affects me so much I want to change my stance but I just can't. I would like to see 'life sentence' start to mean just that though.

[Jenna]

Hey Jenna nice to see you :) I haven't read Carlo's book i'll have to get around to it and about Bundy And Richard writing to each other it could of been about Bundys Foot Fetish? Also i think Bundy was only serial killer that Richard wrote too, but the thing that disturbs me the most is that Richard Ramirez's wife Lioy has stated that she will commit suicide when Ramirez is executed. Lol your English is perfect Jenna ;)

Haha...so Bundy had a foot fetish aswell? *Lol* :tongue: Imagine two real "tough" guys (irony) writing to each other about...feet!?! Now, that´s humor to me ;)

About Doreen...When did she say that she was going to kill herself when Richard is executed? Did she say that recently or around the time when she first met him? Hopefully she has come to her senses by now. Maybe the delusion she´s been under is beginning to cease. Mr. good-looking high cheek bones Ramirez isn´t that mesmerizing any more! ;) And by all likelihood it was his handsome looks that made her fall for him in the first place, what else could it have been?:confused:
It´s also hard to believe that they will actually execute Richard. He will probably die from some disease/old age before that happens!

[Jenna]

I'm with Jenna on this one, I take the view that we lower ourselves to the level of killers when we advocate for execution. There are times when a case affects me so much I want to change my stance but I just can't. I would like to see 'life sentence' start to mean just that though.

Same here...there are cases that are so horrendous that I begin to doubt my own belief but then I remember that this person most likely has ppl in his/her life that love them. And their loved ones doesn´t deserve any more grief. It´s bad enough that they have to live with the fact that they have a family member/friend that´s a serial killer/rapist etc. I always try to compare the grief the family members of the killer might feel vs the relief the victims families might feel if the perpetrator is executed. I believe the grief is greater than the relief in most cases.

[sharlock]

tnx god he's still alive!!!
and his wife isnt the only one who's going to commit suicide if richard dies...
richard is the most beautiful man in this world...
ljubim ga na wso moè!!
moj mali srèek
**mwwa**
Sorry had to bump this fruitcakes post for your viewing pleasure. It was reported that Dorreen did say she would take her life if they executed Richard but she never responded to similar posts made when this one was though she did take issue with my posts lol. Oh well!

[sharlock]

Richard has never confessed. There are so many websites out there, each one trying to outdo the other for shock value, so please do not believe everything you read on the internet. Thank you for asking so respectfully.

Doreen apparently beleives Richard is innocent which is the hardest thing for me to beleive.

[Super Volcano]

Doreen apparently beleives Richard is innocent which is the hardest thing for me to beleive.

I always thought that she was sick in the head, with being turned on by his "bad boy" image, and also by the instant infamy she would gain by marrying him. R.R is one scary dude, even just looking at his ugly mug freaks me out.
He has NOTHING to offer his bride except for "you know what" and that is IT. If she had all of the cards in her deck, (she has about 1/2 in her deck) she would leave this freak, and find someone who is worth loving.

[Jenna]

Doreen apparently beleives Richard is innocent which is the hardest thing for me to beleive.

Does she really expect us to believe that she really think he is innocent? Even in Philips book she said that if you love somebody you only see that persons good side and not the bad. To me, that meant that she knew he did it but looked the other way. And since he has made statements all over the place about him being guilty what is there to question?? It´s in writing and we can even hear his voice saying so on numerous videos here on the internet. Is she claiming they are fake? :shrug:
Well...we all know she knows! But she wants to pretend she believe he is innocent so that we won´t blame her for being with him just as much. Well, it´s not working :tongue:!

Ofcourse she married him for his good looks and publicity. She´s not fooling us...she´s probably not fooling him with that either. But she tries to fool herself. Poor woman!:(

[Jenna]

I always thought that she was sick in the head, with being turned on by his "bad boy" image, and also by the instant infamy she would gain by marrying him. R.R is one scary dude, even just looking at his ugly mug freaks me out.
He has NOTHING to offer his bride except for "you know what" and that is IT. If she had all of the cards in her deck, (she has about 1/2 in her deck) she would leave this freak, and find someone who is worth loving.

Which mug are you referring to? I´ve seen two...One is, as you say, really ugly. But the other on (the first) I actually think he looked pretty good. To be honest :no:

If you want to see one REALLY scary ugly picture of him, check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPaLxYz8fI
(at about 3:12)
I hadn´t seen that one before until this video and wow...! I wonder if that´s the side of him his victims got to see?:mad:

[sharlock]

Which mug are you referring to? I´ve seen two...One is, as you say, really ugly. But the other on (the first) I actually think he looked pretty good. To be honest :no:

If you want to see one REALLY scary ugly picture of him, check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPaLxYz8fI
(at about 3:12)
I hadn´t seen that one before until this video and wow...! I wonder if that´s the side of him his victims got to see?:mad:
I wish I knew what was being said, it looks really interesting.

[Jenna]

I wish I knew what was being said, it looks really interesting.

I know. I wish I had paid better attention in spanish classes at school ;) Now I only understand every 10th word or so :rolleyes:

[Super Volcano]

I know. I wish I had paid better attention in spanish classes at school ;) Now I only understand every 10th word or so :rolleyes:

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.

[Jenna]

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.


yes Richard speaks spanish. Probably better than he does english :D! I know they spoke spanish within the family so...

[Serial Killer X]

Haha...so Bundy had a foot fetish aswell? *Lol* :tongue: Imagine two real "tough" guys (irony) writing to each other about...feet!?! Now, that´s humor to me ;)

About Doreen...When did she say that she was going to kill herself when Richard is executed? Did she say that recently or around the time when she first met him? Hopefully she has come to her senses by now. Maybe the delusion she´s been under is beginning to cease. Mr. good-looking high cheek bones Ramirez isn´t that mesmerizing any more! ;) And by all likelihood it was his handsome looks that made her fall for him in the first place, what else could it have been?:confused:
It´s also hard to believe that they will actually execute Richard. He will probably die from some disease/old age before that happens!

Lol he did when he was on the run he stole credit cards so he could be stockings or shoes cant remember what it was but i know he did it. She said she is going to kill herself as soon as he is executed and i think she said it around the time they married. Yeah he'll die from old age most likely.

[Jenna]

Lol he did when he was on the run he stole credit cards so he could be stockings or shoes cant remember what it was but i know he did it. She said she is going to kill herself as soon as he is executed and i think she said it around the time they married. Yeah he'll die from old age most likely.

well that´s humor ;) Some addictions you can easily understand why ppl get drawn into...but some are just incomprehensible. Shoes and feet being one of those :D

I wonder if Doreen still feels that way?
..and why am I so interested in Ramires´s life? That´s also a riddle!:biggrin: Go get a lfe Jenna! *L* :tongue:

[Serial Killer X]

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.

Yeah i wonder he might do.

[Super Volcano]

Yeah i wonder he might do.

HAHAHA I never really paid much attention to your new avatar. I LOVE it!!!

[Jenna]

Yeah i wonder he might do.

As I´ve said a few posts up, Richard speaks spanish yes. They spoke spanish within the family. Richard has never lived in Mexico but his parents were born there and possibly even some of his siblings since he´s the youngest.
I think you can hear on his accent that it´s not a 100% american. Maybe now but not when he was caught.

[twistedviewlabs]

This scumbag in southern CA in the 80's raped and killed several people. I am a little fuzzy as to how many, 14? and earned himself the moniker of the "Night Stalker" He terrorized LA and surrounding communities for months, police at first were hard pressed as to who he was as none of his victims lived tell about it till one night he broke into a home intent on raping a woman but she started screaming and he left. She gave a description to the police and they released a composite sketch to the media and if memory does serve me, a friend of his did think he resembled the drawing and was going to go to the police and a bunch of people saw him walking down a street and he looked so much like the guy they chased him down, somebody called the cops and before they could get there the mob went crazy on him.
you are correct with the number of counts he was charged with (though he claims far more, of course). your account of how he was actually captured is a little off though. he was also referred to as "The Valley Intruder" (most of his crimes were committed in the san fernando valley) and "The Walk-In Killer".
if you check wikipedia or even this site, there's a detailed account of what happened. as for your opinion of what rights a convicted rapist, child molester or murder has in prison...they should have NONE WHATSOEVER. in fact, i think once they are convicted and sentenced to death, the families of the victim(s) should be allowed to slowly torture them...then when THEY saw fit...open fire on them. to me, anyone who's convicted of a crime of that nature dehumanizes themselves so the question of what's humane and inhumane shouldn't even come into play...

[SaraSidle]

you are correct with the number of counts he was charged with (though he claims far more, of course). your account of how he was actually captured is a little off though. he was also referred to as "The Valley Intruder" (most of his crimes were committed in the san fernando valley) and "The Walk-In Killer".
if you check wikipedia or even this site, there's a detailed account of what happened. as for your opinion of what rights a convicted rapist, child molester or murder has in prison...they should have NONE WHATSOEVER. in fact, i think once they are convicted and sentenced to death, the families of the victim(s) should be allowed to slowly torture them...then when THEY saw fit...open fire on them. to me, anyone who's convicted of a crime of that nature dehumanizes themselves so the question of what's humane and inhumane shouldn't even come into play...

Very interesting nic you have. Welcome to Crime Library. We all have our different opinions and are glad to hear yours.

[Drumbum]

I'll be glad when they finally kill him.

[SaraSidle]

I'll be glad when they finally kill him.

Oh yeah drummie it will be like tranquilizers only not. I have few cases I have been upset about but this one is so sick. So many good people to die. IMO

[Drumbum]

Oh yeah drummie it will be like tranquilizers only not. I have few cases I have been upset about but this one is so sick. So many good people to die. IMO

The men and women who caught him and the families have been waiting long enough. I see my letter to the Guvanator did no good.

[SaraSidle]

The men and women who caught him and the families have been waiting long enough. I see my letter to the Guvanator did no good.

Interesting isnt it

[Drumbum]

Interesting isnt it

Our lovely, tangled legal system. We should take a page from the Russians and give em a bullet.

[SaraSidle]

Our lovely, tangled legal system. We should take a page from the Russians and give em a bullet.

your sarcasm is true to you once again.

[REALGUIDO]

Hi You all...
Great to be here, but one thing is bothering me. VERY MUCH!!!
This Karin is really making me sad or mad.
I love my dear friends Richard and Doreen Ramirez, and when I saw That Karin would put Richards letter up puplic, it really burned in my eyes and gave me a hole in my stomic.
I wonder why ppl. can think that way???
Richard is sitting inthere, can not give his own opinion or replies of all of you ppl. say or write.
Yes Richard has feelings too, alot!!!:rose:
Doreen can sit in her home open up her computer and see ppl. being stubid and mean to both her and her husband...That is not nice...
Richard and Doreen loves eachother very much and that is the end of this argument you ppl. have on. Trust me it is real love, and the other girls you mention Richard is writing with...HA HA..lol!!! Think for your own, who is the one playing with who??? I can tell, but you all know.... I know you know!!!
Doreen has been through a lot ****, and she does NOT deserve to be talked about in that way, she is simply to sweet- polite and a warm- nice person to be a target of **** in some ppl. mouths!!!
I wonder if you ppl. have been in REAL love and would do anything for your wife and husband.... That is the greatest gift on earth- beside having children.
Richard has done things in his past, don´t we all- I have done alot of **** too...more worse than others...
And Richard and Doreen knows!!!! Dont tell them all the time...
A last I will tell you ppl. one thing -we are other ppl., who is near/close to this lovely couple, and we are lauging of your other ppl.`s IQ...
Have a great day...I will and I am sure Doreen and Richard will too!!!!


RR gave his "opinion" by raping, robbing, torturing, sodomizing and terrorizing Old People and Children. And Justice gave RR It's "Opinion."

RR does have feelings, BAD feelings. Do you think that the victims and thier families might have some feelings too?

RR has done things in the past......"We all have?" Speak for yourself.

You are laughing at other ppls IQ?

I will have a great day...When RR gets Justice for his actions.

Sorry about your eyes and your stomic. Maybe you should consult with a doctor.

[REALGUIDO]

Hi again:) Well it is ok, you all have your opinion, and I have mine.
When Doreen gets sad, because of someone misunderstood her or talks bad of her, I have to react as her friend. And I will allways do that for both her and Richard.
Well, Personality disorder is a sickness, which comes either of born with it ( I am- from my mother), And it has gets a lot worse because of bad childhood and so on... Dont feel soory for me, that is NOT why I am writing it....
Richard has been through a lot of the same, and we are just as hurt inside, and have become a very dark mind...YES...Very dark lusts and way of thinking...
Have a lot diffrent way to think, than "NORMAL" ppl.
I hope you get the picture now....Meds. is helping me...
Richard did not get help before he got in jail....
All this is why Richard and I are friends...
We see eachother in eachother and can talk without any one calls us sick or all kind of stubid things...
Doreen is one of the few"NORMAL" thinking ppl. who can see the good in us, and respect our dark mind...
So do my husband, and yes I am a very loving and carring mother and wife...
I just have my dark side and lust...I forfill through Richard, movies and books..
This is enough for me, hope you will try understand.. Dont step on ppl. you really dont know...
All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then.... Yes Richard thinks very different now, he has learn ppl. has feelings and can be nice on this planet... Just as I tought through my husband...
Be nice to Doreen, PLEACE!!!!:rose:


Let me get this straight...."All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then...."

It is more then "not good." What if were YOUR child or Husband or Sister was who had "got in his way?"

I am glad that RR is different now. 22+ years caged up like a rabid dog will do that to one's ways of "thinking."

I glad he has learned that ppls has "feelings" Now Justice needs to be served.

I am sorry for your "illness," and you might want to seek professional help. Especially if you and RR think alike, as you stated before.

[REALGUIDO]

Oh, it's all so romantic, isn't it? You are a character in a Victorian novel. :mad:

You should spend some time with the survivors of his victims. It's not pretty. I happen to know one of them, and his life is destroyed.

Richard is a weasel. Too bad the mob wasn't allowed to finish the job. Usually you can't find a cop when you need one. :cuss:


RR destroyed many lives.

I know what you mean...What are the odds of finding a cop when you need one. Let alone finding one in East L.A. when you need one. ;)

[REALGUIDO]

As for the People that have a Problem with Doreen Ramirez
Wife of Richard Ramirez. I think you need to lay off her and leave her
alone she's not Bothering any one. she had a Right to Choose and Marry
Richard if she wants to. I Frequent stay in touch with Doreen thru Email's to
her. I think she's a great lady. and friend and she is not a Groupie and some Jerks call her she Truly loves Richard. as for the Bimbo that wants to know what a 666Angel I got that name from my Group I was in if it's any of your
Business. as for my Self I wish Richard was free also he would be more than
welcome to come and Live with me. Yes I'm a Satanist aslo no I don't beleive in Violence but Richard will always be my Friend and have a place in my Heart
Bravewolf

Richard should not have been allowed to Marry. He gave up his rights when he started slaughtering people and taking away THIER rights.

I wish California would just give RR his "dose" and move on down the road.

"Yes I'm a Satanist aslo no I don't beleive in Violence but Richard will always be my Friend and have a place in my Heart" FYI RR believes in violence. Doesnt that pose a kind of conflict of interests?

Wish he was free all you want. Aint gonna change anything though.

Have a Nice Day.

[sharlock]

RR gave his "opinion" by raping, robbing, torturing, sodomizing and terrorizing Old People and Children. And Justice gave RR It's "Opinion."

RR does have feelings, BAD feelings. Do you think that the victims and thier families might have some feelings too?

RR has done things in the past......"We all have?" Speak for yourself.

You are laughing at other ppls IQ?

I will have a great day...When RR gets Justice for his actions.

Sorry about your eyes and your stomic. Maybe you should consult with a doctor.
:rolleyes: LOL, I love it when people who can't even master spell check talk about others IQ! Good to see you are still around RG! Hope things are okay for you and yours!

[REALGUIDO]

To Drumbum
I'm responding to your message about following Richard to the
Death chamber. Hell I don't care what People think of me I don't care
if they say I'm crazy Stupid or what ever name they wish to call me if the Law
would allow I would be more than willing to Richard Sexy Ramirez to the Death
chamber. I wish I could find a Loop hole in the Law that would actually
allow me to be straped down on a Gurney next to Richard when he's put to
death oneday, I don't fear death at all just like Sexy Richard I will see you in
Disney land I wish I could take my Rightful place beside my Favorite friend
Richard on that day I just wish it could be allowed by law I want to lay right be side my Friend on his final day here on Earth but hear my Warning Richard
will be Avenged so Mote it be. I summon Satan to go forth and Free Richard
from his Prison Cell
The666Angel
Bravewolf


WOW....That didnt work.....What next? More "moteing?" My God is stronger then Your God. Read The Bible...."My God Wins."

[REALGUIDO]

Some time back a rumor was reported that Ramirez was ill and likely to die of natural causes before he could be exectuted. Does anyone know if there was anything to this story, or was it just a story?


In 2005 RR was taken from SQ to an undisclosed hospital in SF for resperitory problems. The articles was at SFGATE.com (Not sure if that is the link, but that was where it was posted.) I think it was June 2005.

There have also been rumors from "Prison Guards" who claim he is in "ill health."

Or you can just believe his "wife" Doreen who says he is as fit as a fiddle.

Lets just say "prison life" hasnt been "agreeing" with him.

You can also find out the status on ALL of his Appeals here.....

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=327756

Please take note of the terms "HC Denied" and "Death Sentence affirmed." You can actually download a PDF of his entire appeals case so you dont have to take the word from me, or his "wife."

Hope that helps dispell the myths. :)

[REALGUIDO]

Grind very slowly in CA! Tookie Williams a POS who in 1979 murdered 4 people in cold blood and was not executed for 24 years!!! I find it hard to wrap my mind around why RR has not been executed yet either, he terrorized an entire city for weeks, he raped as well as murdered and is a devout Satanist! No, instead he sits in San Q and has visits with his blushing bride Doreen who is a sick puppy in her own right, she actually thinks and I quote: "He is a warm and loving human being, he is kind and gentle" BARF! Kinda hard to rape and torture a woman behind bars! She holds court over the other sick puppy groupies because she married him and that galls me to my last nerve. This POS murdered 14 people and he got to get married, he has color cable TV in his cell, three hots, can go outside and bask in the warm CA air, can have visits with wifey and the most disgusting part, he still has appeals left with the courts to save his sorry ass from execution probably for another 10 years!!

I fully expect to be in my grave when they execute Scott Peterson and I am 50! CA needs to follow TX, they don't bask on the taxpayers very long in TX and this past month, they have executed I think 3 real sick puppies and in TX they are locked down 23 hours, they don't associate with other inmates, they can exercise in a dog cage an hour a day and visits are only granted near the execution date, they get 3 hots a day and they don't have cable or AC and this is how they should live, with only the basics and FL also follows TX, they can only have 13' B&W TV's and no cable or AC and the average stay on DR is 12 years not 20! RR is living better than he did on the streets! I read one day what they were served for dinner at San Q and it did not sound half bad. Baked chicken, rice, gravy, veggies, and ice cream for dessert!! They should be getting only bread and water!!! I have actually about 5 years ago wrote CA's Dept of Corrections about this scumbag and they told me that he had appeals left and here it is almost 2009 and he has been in jail 20 years already!! Disgusting! I feel if you have the only person that a million to one odds that did the crime and they are given a death sentence then you carry it out in a timely fashion like they do in other countries, 30-90 days, is reasonable, and certainly would save taxpayer's billions of dollars that they shell out to house, feed, and amuse and their lawyer bills, it is staggering to think how much CA shells out, because they have about 1,000 inmates on DR in San Q alone, now this is just a estimate, for all I know there are more and if it cost taxpayers $35,000 a year for just one inmate, and they sit on DR for 20 years plus, look how much money the taxpayers have had to shell out for one beyond redemption POS who should not even be breathing 20 years later!!! I think you guys in CA need to write the Gov there a letter and ask him to speed up the process, I know if I lived there, I would haunt him on this!!!

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/dockets.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=327756

Not much longer. ;)

[Amy]

Let me get this straight...."All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then...."

It is more then "not good." What if were YOUR child or Husband or Sister was who had "got in his way?"

I am glad that RR is different now. 22+ years caged up like a rabid dog will do that to one's ways of "thinking."

I glad he has learned that ppls has "feelings" Now Justice needs to be served.

I am sorry for your "illness," and you might want to seek professional help. Especially if you and RR think alike, as you stated before.

Good Grief!!!! They were "in the way" of Richard? THEY WERE IN THEIR OWN HOMES, MOSTLY "SAFELY" TUCKED IN FOR THE DADBLASTED NIGHT!!!! It's not like Richard was driving down the 101 or whatever highway and these people drove their cars or walked in front of him!!!! :flamemad:

[REALGUIDO]

Same here...there are cases that are so horrendous that I begin to doubt my own belief but then I remember that this person most likely has ppl in his/her life that love them. And their loved ones doesn´t deserve any more grief. It´s bad enough that they have to live with the fact that they have a family member/friend that´s a serial killer/rapist etc. I always try to compare the grief the family members of the killer might feel vs the relief the victims families might feel if the perpetrator is executed. I believe the grief is greater than the relief in most cases.

Maybe the perpatrator should have thought about the consequences before slaughtering and torturing old people and molesting children.

There is no comparison. At least RR's family will have a chance to say goodbye. It is unfortunate that RR put his family through this, it is much more unfortunate that he put all of the vitims and thier families through this. As I said....no comparison.

I yearn for "relief."

[REALGUIDO]

:rolleyes: LOL, I love it when people who can't even master spell check talk about others IQ! Good to see you are still around RG! Hope things are okay for you and yours!

Thanks...Good to still be around. hehe

All is good. You are???....From Nicks old website? Your old monicker?

Thanks again.

[Amy]

Maybe the perpatrator should have thought about the consequences before slaughtering and torturing old people and molesting children.

There is no comparison. At least RR's family will have a chance to say goodbye. It is unfortunate that RR put his family through this, it is much more unfortunate that he put all of the vitims and thier families through this. As I said....no comparison.

I yearn for "relief."

I feel sorry for the perp's family and friends--especially the ones who had never seen an evil side of the monster, and did NOT see this coming @ all. That being said, I do agree that the one who should have tho't about what would happen with HIS family and friends (let alone the victims and THEIR family and friends) was the PERP!!!! Of course, perps like this don't really care, have emotions, they act and say as they look around @ others to see how THEY act and talk.

The PERP should have tho't about the fact that he was breaking his mama's heart. HE should have said, oh, my mama would NOT like this @ all, she would cry, and be ashamed, and.....no, I don't think I will rob, steal, rape and murder tonight.

[Karin]

Thanks...Good to still be around. hehe

All is good. You are???....From Nicks old website? Your old monicker?

Thanks again.

Some of the posts you have responded to are old...Kinda fun to see them again. Those were the days when RR's fans came around to defend him and tell us how bad we were...hahahaha! It was entertaining to say the least.

Thanks for the reminder RG

[SaraSidle]

Karin I completely agree with all your posts. I also believe our reena is a troll looking for attention and trying to stir things up. nice job reena. imo

It would be best if we all continue to ignore Reena since she has no idea what she is talking about. let's all agree

[Drumbum]

RR isn't worth arguing over.

[SaraSidle]

RR isn't worth arguing over.

Exactly my point dear drummie. Let's drop it while we can. hugs sara

[Drumbum]

Exactly my point dear drummie. Let's drop it while we can. hugs sara

Having said that,who shall we 'discuss' next, SaraSweetie?

[sharlock]

We first met on this forum in 2007 RG I usually use this nic whereever I go but I have to admit I did try and find your other posts when I found out you wer a relaative and Doreen spoke of you with such disrespect(made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside) I think I read some of your posts on SK I"m not sure it was so lond ago so perhaps I feel like I knw you better than you know me; but never fear there is not so much of me to know. I do know that you are an awesome poster who I respect though!
Take care!

[sharlock]

Realitively Early?...25 years plus? I dont think so. Anyone with half a brain can gather the information on the progress of his H.C. Appeal from the internet...I had posted the site many years ago.......and if I am not mistaken the H.C. is the last one...or correct me if I am wrong?....And who needs an execution date anyways....I understand he has some "health issues" he is dealing with? I know....it is from some rumor some prison guard started, right? Isnt that what you posted? Was he not removed from SQ to go to an undisclosed hospital in 05 for breathing problems?...no "rumor" reported fact... See SFGate... Oh and thank everyone who can see right through the smoke screen of deception provided by someone who married a convicted, self confessed satanic serial killer.....and then say that he is innocent...Thanks for thinking of the victims instead of glamorizing the sick, depraved low lifes.... Have a Nice Day!!!
The truth will set you free!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by doreenramirez55 http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=8797404#post8797404)
I can see why no one has posted here about Richard since March 2006--quite a bit of misinformation floating around here. For the record, my husband does not have an execution date; he is still at a relatively early stage of the appellate process. Secondly, Richard and I are very much together. Rumors generally start when people have no access to the facts. Thank you to the people who have been supportive to Richard over the years.

One of my favs

[SaraSidle]

Having said that,who shall we 'discuss' next, SaraSweetie?

my dear drummie. the RR case is perfectly dicussable with varying opinions but you know I do not deal with baiters and you should not think otherwise of me. baiters ruin any discussion and can close down threads. I care about this place and do not want to give the baiters any power but to leave. IMO H&K

[Drumbum]

my dear drummie. the RR case is perfectly dicussable with varying opinions but you know I do not deal with baiters and you should not think otherwise of me. baiters ruin any discussion and can close down threads. I care about this place and do not want to give the baiters any power but to leave. IMO H&K

I agree that it is discussable, but I would like to move on to other killers A new thread and a new lively discussion that turns into shouting at times. John Wayne Gacy perhaps? ;)

[sharlock]

I agree that it is discussable, but I would like to move on to other killers A new thread and a new lively discussion that turns into shouting at times. John Wayne Gacy perhaps? ;)
I don't like clowns though, they scare me!!! Who else is there???:tongue:

[SaraSidle]

I agree that it is discussable, but I would like to move on to other killers A new thread and a new lively discussion that turns into shouting at times. John Wayne Gacy perhaps? ;)

you ought to be ashamed. We already lost the simpson thread:no:

[Drumbum]

you ought to be ashamed. We already lost the simpson thread:no:

And losing anything O.J. related is a bad thing? I just got an idea. !

[sharlock]

Guys I don't think anyone is saying they want the RR thread closed. Sara you are right and their will always be issues and ideas that can be thrown around in regards to the horrors that occured. I thought Drummie was trying to whip interest up for a new thread but I don't think anyone wants this one closed. I know my post was in jest.

[SaraSidle]

Guys I don't think anyone is saying they want the RR thread closed. Sara you are right and their will always be issues and ideas that can be thrown around in regards to the horrors that occured. I thought Drummie was trying to whip interest up for a new thread but I don't think anyone wants this one closed. I know my post was in jest.

hey Sharlock. I wish you were on our time. Drummie and I were not serious either. In fact his "I have an idea" statement is unnerving but not scarey. I do not like clowns either since I read about Gacy. Drummie is just bored which happens a lot. He will come up with something here soon so be prepared. sara

[Drumbum]

hey Sharlock. I wish you were on our time. Drummie and I were not serious either. In fact his "I have an idea" statement is unnerving but not scarey. I do not like clowns either since I read about Gacy. Drummie is just bored which happens a lot. He will come up with something here soon so be prepared. sara

You're right. Better buckle up. :D

[Karin]

You're right. Better buckle up. :D

You better come up with something good cuz my expectations are rather high, Drummy.

[Drumbum]

You better come up with something good cuz my expectations are rather high, Drummy.

I always come up with something good.

[Karin]

I always come up with something good.

Good, cuz I could use something good and it is true that Richard has become a bit of a bore for me. Maybe create a new thread about something terribly controversial, something that would rock the CL, make people remember your name...

[Drumbum]

Good, cuz I could use something good and it is true that Richard has become a bit of a bore for me. Maybe create a new thread about something terribly controversial, something that would rock the CL, make people remember your name...

Hrmmm..good idea..:D

[sharlock]

Gosh I was in a twist waiting for the doc du,p on Caylee Anthony's case but now I am gonna be a complete mess having to wait for Drummy to share this idea with us! Thanks Sara for setting me straight, I hate not being able to post with you guys at the same time but I just might pull an all nighter so so I can!

[SaraSidle]

Gosh I was in a twist waiting for the doc du,p on Caylee Anthony's case but now I am gonna be a complete mess having to wait for Drummy to share this idea with us! Thanks Sara for setting me straight, I hate not being able to post with you guys at the same time but I just might pull an all nighter so so I can!

Oh Sharlock please never wait for drummie he has to come up with anything at his own time and we cannot even count on it being true. But the man does love to flirt and keep women hanging on. I just keep waiting for anything bood and it just does not happen. You go drummie man!!!!!1LOL:cool:

[Karin]

Oh Sharlock please never wait for drummie he has to come up with anything at his own time and we cannot even count on it being true. But the man does love to flirt and keep women hanging on. I just keep waiting for anything bood and it just does not happen. You go drummie man!!!!!1LOL:cool:

So true Sara, Drummy does take his time and he is good at being a flirt...he certainly keeps me on my toes.;)

[Drumbum]

So true Sara, Drummy does take his time and he is good at being a flirt...he certainly keeps me on my toes.;)

Drummy did something, check out the Roleplay & Fiction thread. H&Ks :rose:

[SaraSidle]

So true Sara, Drummy does take his time and he is good at being a flirt...he certainly keeps me on my toes.;)

thank you for the validation Karin. Seems like I can always count on you. We read drummie much better than he wants us too. LOL

[Drumbum]

thank you for the validation Karin. Seems like I can always count on you. We read drummie much better than he wants us too. LOL

Perhaps I should change to a smaller font.:D

[Super Volcano]

Perhaps I should change to a smaller font.:D

John Wayne Gacey was one sick evil dude. Whatever happened to the guy? Is he another one waiting for ole'sparky? Richard Ramirez was interesting there for awhile, but you are right, I think everything that could be said about him, has been said.....just waiting for justice to be served....It is really awful. I have a 16 year old nephew, and my niece-his 15 year old sister (their dad is Samoan-so they hang with the Polynesians at their school.) The Mexicans, or the Spanish kids have their group as well. In the next school district, at Kearns High, an argument erupted between the two groups, and a 14 year old Spanish kid got shot by a hot headed 16 year old Samoan (one kid my nephew knew). The Samoan kid freaked out, and turned himself in. The next day, that 14 year old died. Now, in a once peaceful neighborhood, in West Valley City, the Spanish (Mexican gangs, etc) are letting it be know that they will kill (in retalliation) any Polynesian high school kids that they see out after dark. So now, my poor sister, along with the rest of the neighborhood, basically has been holding lock downs to NOT let the Polynesian kids (which there are a lot of them) out of the house after 6 pm, and the kids HATE it.

[SaraSidle]

Perhaps I should change to a smaller font.:D
will not work but you can try it

[SaraSidle]

John Wayne Gacey was one sick evil dude. Whatever happened to the guy? Is he another one waiting for ole'sparky? Richard Ramirez was interesting there for awhile, but you are right, I think everything that could be said about him, has been said.....just waiting for justice to be served....It is really awful. I have a 16 year old nephew, and my niece-his 15 year old sister (their dad is Samoan-so they hang with the Polynesians at their school.) The Mexicans, or the Spanish kids have their group as well. In the next school district, at Kearns High, an argument erupted between the two groups, and a 14 year old Spanish kid got shot by a hot headed 16 year old Samoan (one kid my nephew knew). The Samoan kid freaked out, and turned himself in. The next day, that 14 year old died. Now, in a once peaceful neighborhood, in West Valley City, the Spanish (Mexican gangs, etc) are letting it be know that they will kill (in retalliation) any Polynesian high school kids that they see out after dark. So now, my poor sister, along with the rest of the neighborhood, basically has been holding lock downs to NOT let the Polynesian kids (which there are a lot of them) out of the house after 6 pm, and the kids HATE it.

those poor kids must be scared. I think that children be locked down until tempers fly down. It goes to show youvcrime is everywhere IMO sara

[Drumbum]

John Wayne Gacey was one sick evil dude. Whatever happened to the guy? Is he another one waiting for ole'sparky? Richard Ramirez was interesting there for awhile, but you are right, I think everything that could be said about him, has been said.....just waiting for justice to be served....It is really awful. I have a 16 year old nephew, and my niece-his 15 year old sister (their dad is Samoan-so they hang with the Polynesians at their school.) The Mexicans, or the Spanish kids have their group as well. In the next school district, at Kearns High, an argument erupted between the two groups, and a 14 year old Spanish kid got shot by a hot headed 16 year old Samoan (one kid my nephew knew). The Samoan kid freaked out, and turned himself in. The next day, that 14 year old died. Now, in a once peaceful neighborhood, in West Valley City, the Spanish (Mexican gangs, etc) are letting it be know that they will kill (in retalliation) any Polynesian high school kids that they see out after dark. So now, my poor sister, along with the rest of the neighborhood, basically has been holding lock downs to NOT let the Polynesian kids (which there are a lot of them) out of the house after 6 pm, and the kids HATE it.

Gacy is dead. http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/gacy/gacy_1.html

[Super Volcano]

Gacy is dead. http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/gacy/gacy_1.html

Drummy, you are awesome!!! Thank you for that info. I can't believe (well actually I can) that Gacy was a turd clear to the end, by saying, "tell the world to kiss my ass." What an evil piece of crap. Good thing they executed him, but it sucks that it took them until 1994 to finally do it.

[Super Volcano]

those poor kids must be scared. I think that children be locked down until tempers fly down. It goes to show youvcrime is everywhere IMO sara

I don'y know if you are familiar with Samoan or Tongan hot tempers, but most of these kids come here to America with their families, and never really learn the correct way to handle anger, or emotions. Usually it is with flying fist, etc, but rarely with guns. I have a Samoan brother in-law, so I have seen this first hand. Eme had to go into counseling to learn how to handle his anger, and count until 10 before reacting badly when he is totally pissed off. And, it works. With this 16 year old kid now facing adult manslaughter charges, it is really sad, because my nephew knew this kid, and said that he was really cool, and would have never done this if he knew how to handle his anger. He had his dad's gun, and was on his way to go to target practice with his friends, when the fight with the Polynesians and the Mexicans broke out. Just a REALLY bad case. My bro. in law (and most other Samoans) are VERY protective of their families, and it is him, and a few other Samoan fathers in the neighborhood that is doing the lock down until this whole mess settles down. The 16 year old kid was charged today with 2nd degree murder, and will be tried as an adult, so tempers are still extremely flared on the other side.

[SaraSidle]

Drummy, you are awesome!!! Thank you for that info. I can't believe (well actually I can) that Gacy was a turd clear to the end, by saying, "tell the world to kiss my ass." What an evil piece of crap. Good thing they executed him, but it sucks that it took them until 1994 to finally do it.

Yes he is the true defiition of psychopath isnt he? and then I think he sold his artwork while he was in prison.........paintings of clowns......IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

I don'y know if you are familiar with Samoan or Tongan hot tempers, but most of these kids come here to America with their families, and never really learn the correct way to handle anger, or emotions. Usually it is with flying fist, etc, but rarely with guns. I have a Samoan brother in-law, so I have seen this first hand. Eme had to go into counseling to learn how to handle his anger, and count until 10 before reacting badly when he is totally pissed off. And, it works. With this 16 year old kid now facing adult manslaughter charges, it is really sad, because my nephew knew this kid, and said that he was really cool, and would have never done this if he knew how to handle his anger. He had his dad's gun, and was on his way to go to target practice with his friends, when the fight with the Polynesians and the Mexicans broke out. Just a REALLY bad case. My bro. in law (and most other Samoans) are VERY protective of their families, and it is him, and a few other Samoan fathers in the neighborhood that is doing the lock down until this whole mess settles down. The 16 year old kid was charged today with 2nd degree murder, and will be tried as an adult, so tempers are still extremely flared on the other side.

You are right SV. I do not know any Samoans or Polynesians. I wonder if it is cultural. I know a lot of mexicans that are sweet but then I hear about so many gang fights in the US and uprisings in Mexico. I think the lockdown is a good idea but then what happens after that???????IMO sara

[Super Volcano]

You are right SV. I do not know any Samoans or Polynesians. I wonder if it is cultural. I know a lot of mexicans that are sweet but then I hear about so many gang fights in the US and uprisings in Mexico. I think the lockdown is a good idea but then what happens after that???????IMO sara

The "what happens after that" part that scares me and my sister the most. We just think that if the kids just have a prayer in their heart, go to church; etc, that they will have some sense of peace to just live "normal." :shrug:

[Super Volcano]

Yes he is the true defiition of psychopath isnt he? and then I think he sold his artwork while he was in prison.........paintings of clowns......IMO sara

Oh,man, I missed the part that he sold his paintings when he was in prison. That is art work I will NEVER have in my home, let alone to call it "art." There is one picture of Gacey in his clown outfit, smiling really big (with his disgusting teeth) that made him look JUST like that psycho clown in Steven King's movie that I absolutely hated, called "It." Gacey was a BIG it!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

The "what happens after that" part that scares me and my sister the most. We just think that if the kids just have a prayer in their heart, go to church; etc, that they will have some sense of peace to just live "normal." :shrug:

it is too bad there is nothing organized for the kids to do followed with a curfew. we try to do that here cause the kids were so bored they vandalized a lot. we are getting there. still have x mas ornaments stolen and bikes stolen. we have skateboarding parks and skiing and snowboarding parks right in the city. let me know how it goes. sara

[SaraSidle]

Oh,man, I missed the part that he sold his paintings when he was in prison. That is art work I will NEVER have in my home, let alone to call it "art." There is one picture of Gacey in his clown outfit, smiling really big (with his disgusting teeth) that made him look JUST like that psycho clown in Steven King's movie that I absolutely hated, called "It." Gacey was a BIG it!!!!!!

Interesting. I wonder if that is where SK got his idea for IT. Course we cannot give away the ending but it sure was not a clown. Great movie. Did you ever read the book by Carlo about R.R. Called Night Stalker? sara

[Super Volcano]

Interesting. I wonder if that is where SK got his idea for IT. Course we cannot give away the ending but it sure was not a clown. Great movie. Did you ever read the book by Carlo about R.R. Called Night Stalker? sara

"It" was scary, but I hated it, because I have always been freaked out by clowns. The cartoony ones are ok, but the type that Gacey looked like was just down right scary. Yeah, that would be interesting to know if indeed S.K did get that as his idea for the film. No, I haven't read that book, but sounds good, havta check it out. I did see the t.v series I think they did in the 80's on him. That reminds me of the t.v. one they did where Mark Harmon played Ted Bundy. Did you ever see that?

[Karin]

Perhaps I should change to a smaller font.:D

When I finally stopped laughing at how funny this font response was, I decided you should do just that. Drummy with smaller fonts is just what we need! hahaha!;)

[Karin]

"It" was scary, but I hated it, because I have always been freaked out by clowns. The cartoony ones are ok, but the type that Gacey looked like was just down right scary. Yeah, that would be interesting to know if indeed S.K did get that as his idea for the film. No, I haven't read that book, but sounds good, havta check it out. I did see the t.v series I think they did in the 80's on him. That reminds me of the t.v. one they did where Mark Harmon played Ted Bundy. Did you ever see that?

When I was a little girl my parents took me to see Ringling Brothers circus and a scary ass clown got in my face and tried to make me laugh...I had nightmare for years after that. Then SK came out with IT and it scared the crap out of me...Gacy, was about the scariest serial killer of all time....Geez!

[Drumbum]

When I was a little girl my parents took me to see Ringling Brothers circus and a scary ass clown got in my face and tried to make me laugh...I had nightmare for years after that. Then SK came out with IT and it scared the crap out of me...Gacy, was about the scariest serial killer of all time....Geez!

"We all float down here. And when you're down here, you'll float to." ;)

[grneyes]

I hate clowns, always have but we should probably start a new thread about Gacy since this is the RR thread.

[Karin]

"We all float down here. And when you're down here, you'll float to." ;)



well alrighty then....

[SaraSidle]

"It" was scary, but I hated it, because I have always been freaked out by clowns. The cartoony ones are ok, but the type that Gacey looked like was just down right scary. Yeah, that would be interesting to know if indeed S.K did get that as his idea for the film. No, I haven't read that book, but sounds good, havta check it out. I did see the t.v series I think they did in the 80's on him. That reminds me of the t.v. one they did where Mark Harmon played Ted Bundy. Did you ever see that?

yes I did do the mark harmon/ted bundy but you must read IT and The Stand. they will keep you entertained in the cold lonely nights I promise. And do not forget the Night Stalker if you have not always read it. breaks from homework you know. Even though I love steven spielberg the books ae better. I never like or disliked clowns as a child but now I am not too fond of letting a child get friendly when I am with him. for some reason (probably detail) SK books are much better than the movies usually. Jurassic park almost gave me a heart attack (the movie). you must have loved that one. sara

[grneyes]

yes I did do the mark harmon/ted bundy but you must read IT and The Stand. they will keep you entertained in the cold lonely nights I promise. And do not forget the Night Stalker if you have not always read it. breaks from homework you know. Even though I love steven spielberg the books ae better. I never like or disliked clowns as a child but now I am not too fond of letting a child get friendly when I am with him. for some reason (probably detail) SK books are much better than the movies usually. Jurassic park almost gave me a heart attack (the movie). you must have loved that one. sara

"IT" is definitely creepy but books usually are creepier and better, than the movies they make from them. They just can't fit all that creepiness into a 90 minute movie. *lol* I totally looove SK, have ever since Carrie.

I bet Sk could do a heck of a good job on RR in a movie. Him or Speilberg are probably the only two that could capture that level of evilness.

[SaraSidle]

"IT" is definitely creepy but books usually are creepier and better, than the movies they make from them. They just can't fit all that creepiness into a 90 minute movie. *lol* I totally looove SK, have ever since Carrie.

I bet Sk could do a heck of a good job on RR in a movie. Him or Speilberg are probably the only two that could capture that level of evilness.

I totally agree with you and if Steve was not up to it I bet James Wan could be talked in to it. (Saw Movies.......have you seen them?) sara

[Karin]

I hate clowns, always have but we should probably start a new thread about Gacy since this is the RR thread.

I was thinking the same thing but just didn't say it.....thanks :)

[grneyes]

I was thinking the same thing but just didn't say it.....thanks :)

Yeah we don't want the boss (DW) coming after us for being OT. :-)

[Super Volcano]

yes I did do the mark harmon/ted bundy but you must read IT and The Stand. they will keep you entertained in the cold lonely nights I promise. And do not forget the Night Stalker if you have not always read it. breaks from homework you know. Even though I love steven spielberg the books ae better. I never like or disliked clowns as a child but now I am not too fond of letting a child get friendly when I am with him. for some reason (probably detail) SK books are much better than the movies usually. Jurassic park almost gave me a heart attack (the movie). you must have loved that one. sara

Stephen Spielberg's version of the T-Rex is dead on in my opinion, so yeah, Jussasic Park was awesome, all three of them. Have to make a trip to the library...thanks for the tips!!!:read:

[Super Volcano]

I was thinking the same thing but just didn't say it.....thanks :)

Good point, I think we just followed one comment after another until we were on the Gacey subject. Easy to do when the subject is good.

[Drumbum]

Time to kill the Nightstalker Mr. Ahnold. :flamemad:

[Super Volcano]

Time to kill the Nightstalker Mr. Ahnold. :flamemad:

Haha, AMEN to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amy]

Time to kill the Nightstalker Mr. Ahnold. :flamemad:

Last week on one of the news show programs, some fellow was saying that California was going to release a lot of prisoners because they couldn't afford to keep them with the financial mess they were in. I can't remember what TYPE of prisoner. And that they tho't that when parole broke parole, they would try to do something besides send them back to prison. I remember seeing your "Mr Ahnold" during that airing, but for the life of me, I can't remember if he was fer or agin.

I sent a email to suggest to the person(s) thinking of this do something else--like execute the 600+ death row inmates. Gee, what a savings THAT would be!!! And, make room for up and coming lawbreakers.

I tho't maybe sending the parole violators to Sheriff Joe of the pink tents and baloney sandwiches would be just as good a deterrent to make them think twice about what they want to do with their lives.

Haven't heard anything more about it, so possibly the lawmakers behind the proposal decided it wasn't going to work out the way they tho't. Or, perhaps citizens of CA protested vehemently to their representatives.

[Drumbum]

Guess if it wasn't for RR, I wouldn't have met you, huh?

Happy Birthday Drummy :rose:






:beer:

That's true. Thanks CL. :beer:

[SaraSidle]

That's true. Thanks CL. :beer:

hey dude what are you doing on CL when you should be celebrating your birthday...............Happy Birthday............:beer:sara

[Karin]

I actually got a letter from RR today! It is so odd because I had stopped writing him and never expected to get another letter again, especially out of the blue...

You are not going to believe what he said to me...Ask me and I will post it on Sunday...

[Broken_Angel]

my boyfriend was in san quention for some stupid bs that his ex pulled, and he saw richard ramirez himself, walking down the corridors, getting lead by the guards to his cell. scary huh

[Broken_Angel]

why would you write to him??

[Winsome]

I was a librarian in San Francisco in 1990 when he was on trial here. I had to deliver books to him in his Maximum Security cell. He was really creepy. He would wait til I got to his cell and then whip out his penis which was huge!! All he read was serial killer books and heavy metal magazines. I was pregnant with my son and started having nightmares after reading about his rape of the 8 yr old boy in front of his mother. I stopped going in to talk to him and had a deputy deliver his requests.

[Super Volcano]

I was a librarian in San Francisco in 1990 when he was on trial here. I had to deliver books to him in his Maximum Security cell. He was really creepy. He would wait til I got to his cell and then whip out his penis which was huge!! All he read was serial killer books and heavy metal magazines. I was pregnant with my son and started having nightmares after reading about his rape of the 8 yr old boy in front of his mother. I stopped going in to talk to him and had a deputy deliver his requests.

RR is one EVIL disgusting dude, and by them executing him, it would do the ENTIRE human, and animal race a HUGE favor. What a PIG. :flamemad:

[toytoybabie]

You know, I'm the new kid, having just subscribed to this link, but I was distressed at the number of you who want to kill, kill, kill these people. You are the same people who say that you don't want "taxpayer dollars" keeping these killers alive, but do you know that it costs more to execute someone than it does to house them for the remainder of their lives? This is true.
Plus, how can you all condemn an individual to murder, but to approve and applaud collective representatives of a state to murder?
Don't you think it would be more beneficial to all of us if these people were studied? Perhaps, only then will we be able to recognize these killers in the making while they are still adolescents and young enough to turn around and help? Did any of you even read "The Night Stalker"? If you did, you can see that there were many factors that shaped Mr. Ramirez (and many like him) into the people they became. Instead, you want to jump on the bandwagon and kill these people. And, please don't use the tired rhetoric about "why does he deserve sympathy?" and "how would you feel if one of your loved ones was a victim?" I hope I would be humane enough and nonjudgemental enough to still feel the way I do now. Not trying to anger anyone. Just presenting a different point of view. And, as far as his wife goes, maybe he used her, maybe he didn't, but did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps she saw something in him that was worth loving and saving? Perhaps she just wanted to help someone she saw as unfortunate. Please be open minded enough to at least condsider some of these thoughts. Thank you.

[wind149]

Toy, I understand that you are against the DP and that is fine, but when I think of this creep, and the evil that he committed, he kept an entire city deep in fear for months, he beat, he stabbed, he raped, he murdered innocent people and you feel for him??? One thing about this board, is we don't tolerate serial killer groupies and I am not saying you are one, but we do want him dead!! He is sitting on death row, breathing air, but he is not confined to his cell 24/7, he gets to bask in the CA sunshine and visit his blushing, whack-job wife!! What do the victim's families have? Can they visit their loved ones, can they touch them? No they get to go to a cold grave and this scumbag has been on DR since the late 80's!! Can you imagine how much the taxpayer's have shelled out keeping him alive? This puke can never be rehabilitated, what did the poster before you said he did to her?? He committed a lewd act in front of her, years in prison have not changed his evil ways and I have every reason in the world to believe that if he were to get out, he would kill again.

His sick puppy wife married him because she is a loser in her own right and I almost puked one night when I watched an interview she conducted with a reporter from WE and she was saying how gentle and loving he is, and I am like, anyone would be that way in a prison visiting room with CO"s everywhere! She married him too, to lord it over the other sick puppies that attended his trial!!! And what galls me is he probably still has appeals left as well, in CA, the wheels of justice grind slowly and if I lived there I would be bugging Gov Arnold there to change that!! And this puke gets to enjoy TV, and ice cream for desert when he should have gasped his last in the gas chamber 23 years ago!!! As for the death penalty, I agree that innocent people were probably put to death in the past, but with the technology we have nowadays like DNA, I would say that all the people on death row today are not innocent and this puke freely admitted, almost joyfully confessed to these heinous crimes, he disrupted the courtroom with his antics like drawing a pentagram on his hands, he laughed when a medical examiner was describing the horror that he inflicted on innocent people, he would yell about Satan, he would make sure the camera was on when he did this, he was having the time of his life!!!

And the families had to sit through this, so I ask you again, how can you feel anything but hatred and contempt for him? I worked in LE and pretty much have seen my fair share of losers, not like this creep however, so I do believe very highly in the DP, if you have the only person who could have done these crimes and you have evidence, I believe that there should be no appeals either, the sentence gets carried out in days not decades! The money spent to feed, house and amuse these scumbags for years could be better spent on education, more jobs and housing for the law abiders, than making sure these pukes get medical care and dental, three hots, a cot and phone, mail and TV. Many law abiding, hard working people do not have health care, they can't afford it and yet, these dirtbags, they have a bad tooth or a headache and here comes the doctors!! They don't have to worry about paying bills, they don't have to worry where their next meal coming from, they are warm or cool and they have advocates pleading to SPARE THEIR LIVES!! And the last thing the innocent people that he slaughtered was his evil face, laughing and hailing Satan!!!

[Super Volcano]

Toy, I understand that you are against the DP and that is fine, but when I think of this creep, and the evil that he committed, he kept an entire city deep in fear for months, he beat, he stabbed, he raped, he murdered innocent people and you feel for him??? One thing about this board, is we don't tolerate serial killer groupies and I am not saying you are one, but we do want him dead!! He is sitting on death row, breathing air, but he is not confined to his cell 24/7, he gets to bask in the CA sunshine and visit his blushing, whack-job wife!! What do the victim's families have? Can they visit their loved ones, can they touch them? No they get to go to a cold grave and this scumbag has been on DR since the late 80's!! Can you imagine how much the taxpayer's have shelled out keeping him alive? This puke can never be rehabilitated, what did the poster before you said he did to her?? He committed a lewd act in front of her, years in prison have not changed his evil ways and I have every reason in the world to believe that if he were to get out, he would kill again.

His sick puppy wife married him because she is a loser in her own right and I almost puked one night when I watched an interview she conducted with a reporter from WE and she was saying how gentle and loving he is, and I am like, anyone would be that way in a prison visiting room with CO"s everywhere! She married him too, to lord it over the other sick puppies that attended his trial!!! And what galls me is he probably still has appeals left as well, in CA, the wheels of justice grind slowly and if I lived there I would be bugging Gov Arnold there to change that!! And this puke gets to enjoy TV, and ice cream for desert when he should have gasped his last in the gas chamber 23 years ago!!! As for the death penalty, I agree that innocent people were probably put to death in the past, but with the technology we have nowadays like DNA, I would say that all the people on death row today are not innocent and this puke freely admitted, almost joyfully confessed to these heinous crimes, he disrupted the courtroom with his antics like drawing a pentagram on his hands, he laughed when a medical examiner was describing the horror that he inflicted on innocent people, he would yell about Satan, he would make sure the camera was on when he did this, he was having the time of his life!!!

And the families had to sit through this, so I ask you again, how can you feel anything but hatred and contempt for him? I worked in LE and pretty much have seen my fair share of losers, not like this creep however, so I do believe very highly in the DP, if you have the only person who could have done these crimes and you have evidence, I believe that there should be no appeals either, the sentence gets carried out in days not decades! The money spent to feed, house and amuse these scumbags for years could be better spent on education, more jobs and housing for the law abiders, than making sure these pukes get medical care and dental, three hots, a cot and phone, mail and TV. Many law abiding, hard working people do not have health care, they can't afford it and yet, these dirtbags, they have a bad tooth or a headache and here comes the doctors!! They don't have to worry about paying bills, they don't have to worry where their next meal coming from, they are warm or cool and they have advocates pleading to SPARE THEIR LIVES!! And the last thing the innocent people that he slaughtered was his evil face, laughing and hailing Satan!!!

AMEN. It has been said that it is better that one man die, than a whole nation. If R.R had his way, we would all be dead!!! He is ONE, we are the rest of the world. He basically bought his rights to have a date with ol'sparky the day he killed his first victim. An eye for an eye. He has to pay for his debts either in this life or the next. If you want to keep this puke alive, then fine, that is YOUR perogative. But it is also OUR perogative to use this site to vent our frustrations about it. This is NOT a site to attack those of us who feel differently, and support the death penalty. :flamemad:

[EPE123]

Richard is alive and kicking. He can drag out his appeals and arguments of incapable lawyers for a good few years yet.

Plato? Yes he told me to read that less than 2 years ago. He has not changed.

Do you cage a lion for years and he then no longer wants to eat you given a chance?

Poor Doreen, I do feel for her but she must realise Ramirez used her for publicity and money. Think I am wrong? I can name at least 10 females that he writes to now all the time and flirts, asks them for photos of their legs etc, always asking for help finding asian women to write to - does that sound like the actions of a reformed and happily married man? Not really. He told me more, but that can come later.

What has Doreen ever done to ANY of you for you to be so cruel. Like the above post. Does it make you feel good to let Doreen know that othe women are sending HER husband letters and asking for things? Does it make you feel like a big person to hurt someone you do not even know? I for one would like to hear what Doreen has to say, so I wish people would stop with the insults. Hate her husban, but you do not have to hate HER!

[EPE123]

Hey Karin,

I have enjoyed reading your posts. I just NOW finished readin ALL 31 pages. OUCH. I MAY go crossed eyed. HA!

I was strong with my first post, and I am sorry for that. I have a VERY dear friend, who is also married to a "famous" murderer, and I KNOW she is a great person. Not insane, not nuts or any of those things.. so, I just had to defend Doreen.

But I am very inerested in the messages here. I have gotten several letters from R over the years, which I have not and will not share, because it is private to ME. No other reason.

I have been a true crime buff for over 30 years, and I guess I have always wanted to know WHY these people kill. The simple term of "they are insane" really has not been an answer. Even though alot are.

Talk again,

Sue

[Amy]

What has Doreen ever done to ANY of you for you to be so cruel. Like the above post. Does it make you feel good to let Doreen know that othe women are sending HER husband letters and asking for things? Does it make you feel like a big person to hurt someone you do not even know? I for one would like to hear what Doreen has to say, so I wish people would stop with the insults. Hate her husban, but you do not have to hate HER!

Surely she already knows that by now. As should all the other women who write to and send things to not only RR, but to other murderers.

[wind149]

The reason I have contempt for that whack job is she married a sick b*stard who raped and murdered 14 people and had the time of his life doing it, was convicted and sent to death row where he has languished far too long on the taxpayer's dime and she married him for her 15 minutes of shame and if other women are writing to him and she is sticking by him then she is more of a sick puppy than I thought. This scumbag deserves nothing from anyone, not love or kindness or comfort or visits or canteen money, he should have been put to death already instead of sucking up tax dollars so EP, if you want to have sympathy for this loser broad that is your right but don't expect that other posters will agree with you, the majority thinks she is nuts and a real creepshow and if you are a groupie you will be banned because we do not tolerate serial killer or pedophile groupies or sympathizers on this board and that is why we are the best board there is, we live in the real world where people Doreen are considered to be losers and when we suspect that someone is one,. they are banned, you want to have feelings for these scumbags, go on In Sessions, you will be right at home there as they allow sick puppies to post about their love for RR and his blushing bride.

[Big Sister]

I have just finished reading through all 31 pages of this thread and, for the most part, have found it fascinating. I've noticed that several contributors have been "banned" which is unfortunate because they have posted provocative comments and insights.

I am a native Californian who moved to Los Angeles around the time of the Hillside Strangler (Buono/Bianci) murders. In fact, one of the bodies was discovered just a few blocks from my home. As the horror of those crimes were fading, Richard Ramirez came on the scene. (Actually, it was about 7 or 8 years later, but Buono/Bianci were still a vivid memory.) His first murder was committed in Glassell Park, a neighboring community (I really picked a great area in which to live :eek:), but the majority of the murders were committed in the San Gabriel Valley. I remember being glad my house was painted green instead of yellow or cream.

Here it is 25 years later, and we are still waiting for this monster to be executed. As an earlier poster suggested, let's send him to Texas.

[wind149]

Big Sister, what is up with CA? They have the slowest hand when it comes to execution time!! Sheeit, there is a guy that is on DR for murdering three people that has been on DR since 1974! 35 freaking years? What the hell is the point to execute him now??? he is in his late 70's and in bad health, must as well just let him croak in his cell! As for RR, 25 freaking years sucking up tax dollars, having the time of his life with Bridezilla and then he has "mistresses" on the side?? And he is not confined to his cell 24/7. He can sit in the CA sun and get a tan, he has three squares a day and a cot and I am sure Doreen sends him canteen money and probably the other sick puppies do as well, does this sound like he is doing hard time on DR? If he was in TX or FL, he would be locked down 23 hours a day, a shower every other day, no visits unless by counsel, the only time they can get visits is if their execution day has been set, they get one phone call a month and they do get mail, there is no AC or cable, they can only have 13" B&W TV's and one hot a day, this is hard time not living it up like RR does and I am so pissed off over this, I am going to write a letter to the Gov there and ask him about this. Why is it DR inmates live 20-30 years after sentencing?? Richard Allen Davis that POS scumbag that kidnapped and murdered Polly Klaas is still on DR and has been there since what 1992??? He would be already sent to hell had he be in TX but he too is in San Quentin, living it up. Scott Peterson ain't do hard time there either and I expect to be in my grave by the time he walks the final mile and it is too bad they don't use the gas chamber like they used to, can't see three people more deserving to choke to death than these scumbags!!!

[Big Sister]

CA is known as a "progressive" & "liberal" state and I believe that is the problem. Our courts are also "progressive" & "liberal." Someone earlier mentioned the ruling about the DP being considered "cruel & unusual punishment." That concept (no surprise) originated in CA. That has held up the system for years. It has finally been settled, and we expected that the DB would start to be carried out. Unfortunately, not the case.

In DP cases, there is an automatic appeal which causes years long delays. I don't know if other states have this auto appeal. After the first appeal, too often there are more and more appeals - over every little thing from the food to the facilities. Currently the penal system has been ordered to come up with a plan to alleviate overcrowding and inhumane conditions. The judge who ordered this assigned one of his cronies to do a study. Believe it or not, when the study was finished, it recommended expanding prison facilities with exercise rooms, massages, better medical and dental care, etc., etc. which would cost billions of dollars. All this in a state that is facing bankruptcy!

Actually, wind149, I don't know the answer, I can only speculate. We have a full-time, well paid legislature who seem to be more interested in global warming than justice. Remember Tookie Williams and fervor that his execution caused because he was nominated for a Nobel prize? BTW, ANYONE can be nominated for a Nobel - it just takes knowing the right people. Where were the people to speak for his victims? Where was the outcry over his starting the Crips which has spread throughout the country?

Forgive my rant. CA may have beautiful weather, but has become the laughing stock of the country. :(

[wind149]

Sister, I could not agree with you more! Now we have states dropping the DP and nothing could be worse than that! Scumbags that rape and murder children deserve to fry in a chair not playing hoop or having visits and I think these states are not thinking about the victims only the rights of these scumbags and I am damm straight tired of it and being a rape survivor myself it really pisses me off! Had VT had the DP, maybe the ba*stard that raped me and upwards of 100 other kids would have gotten what he clearly deserves and I don't give a rat's ass how old he is now which is 79 and his earliest parole date will be 2019 and I doubt he will come up, but if he is still alive and comes up for parole you know my ass will be there in the front row and I will make sure my voice will be heard, he took my teen years from me, I had a lot of anger issues and in the beginning, just did not give a crap about anything including myself, I had lousy parents who believed I had made the whole rape up, as he was the pillar of the community, a teacher and he as he rapes me tells me that no one would ever believe me and it wasn't until he tore a roomie up of mine that he was finally busted and was convicted on 20 cases and got 40 plus years and he has been in for 36 years now, he could have been out sooner but VT did away with good time for the likes of people like him, why should they be rewarded???

I am for the DP even for child rape and TX has been trying to pass that, God Bless TX! Trouble with your state you got too many tree huggers or granola heads running the show and these morons, if it ain't happening to their child, they will scream that the DP is cruel and unusual, but if happens to theirs, they want to flip the switch!! I hate bleeding heart liberals, VT breed Civil Libertarian Lawyers like sewer rats, they make it a mission to plead for SO's to be released back into a hood full of kids, their rights and all, they represent them and try some of the dirtiest tactics to get the client off and these bas*ards KNOW their client is a dangerous predator and yet, they scream civil rights into the faces of the victims, having worked in LE, I saw this way too many times and it is going on today!! Today, a real POS is maxing out, in other words will be under no supervision of any kind, and wants to move to a real nice town and the town is up in arms, well DUH? And the town absolutely wants to refuse him entry and now have been told that they will be sued!!!!

This scumbag's career of raping boys goes back to the early 80's where of course time and time got PROBATION and then after raping three boys in 1990 he was sentenced to 18-life and now is due to get out tomorrow, I give it a week and he will harm another boy and yet, these morons are fighting for HIS RIGHTS TO LIVE WHERE HE WANTS TO!!! Is this disgusting or what???? He WILL RAPE AGAIN!!! One of my deputies lives in this town and has vowed to sit in front of the house he plans to go to 24/7 if that is what it takes and bottom feeder lawyer thinks this is will be harassment?? I feel like telling this moron, gee, why not have him live you and your boys??? And I tell ya this, that deputy is a father of six and a dedicated law man and HE WILL sit there and have others watch him like a hawk, I am hoping it gets to this POS and he moves, but then another town will get him, would it have been better to civilly commit him to a secure facility?? I have written countless letters about this and slowly states are doing so, NH just passed it and MI where I live now is debating it and look how many lives will be spared so you guys in CA need to start something to kick start the DP and sentence more of these scumbags to the DP and then carry it out in years and not decades!!

[Amy]

I tho't DR inmates everywhere were in their cells 23 hours a day. Guess I tho't wrong, huh?

There are inmates that will be released, that can be rehabilitated (but I'm betting the success of that is kind of like the alcoholic--he isn't going to quit til HE wants to, not when someone else is "forcing" him to.) There are inmates that will be released that cannot, by all studies done, be rehabilitated--the sex offender, the pediophile. THOSE people should not be let out. For the others, the ones that are going to return to society and become productive members of society--okay. Let them stay physically fit. Get them some education or occupational training. But making prison a better place than many working, law abiding Americans can afford? I think not!!!!! And if they get out and blow the chance they were given--they go back and ARE NOT released. Put them on work (and I mean chain gang type of work) gangs and have THEM pick up the litter along the high ways. Make them have gardens and such--not only will that keep them occupied, it would cut down on the $$ spent for their groceries.

The inmates should get basic medical and dental care. Need the appendix out? Okay. Need teeth filled or extracted, or even a crown? Okay. But no major dental work, braces, implants, etc. No kidney transplants (that again, law abiding, working Americans find hard to come by, let alone afford.) No plastic surgery, or like Dr Sharp wanted--his sex change operation. No, No, No. BASIC services. Period.

I still don't get how these people are more deserving of HUMANE care than regular citizens. And, isn't what they did to their victims, whether it was a robbery, home invasion, rape, murder, INHUMANE? The fear and terror the victims had to endure @ the hands of the criminals, where is the cry about THEIR inhumane treatment?

Maybe the criminals should think just a little harder about the "tough, inhumane" life they will have to experience in prison before they commit a crime that puts them there. Why in the world would they or anyone else think they deserve more rights, more privileges than people who do NOT commit crimes? They think it should be like an eternal f r a t house party and life? (Probably minus the beer, of course.)

I think, if there is something MAJOR about the living conditions, there could be a motion to the commissioners or something, but to stop up the court systems with crap about whether or not an inmate got smooth peanut butter when he has asked for crunchy, what kind of comb he could get--that kind of frivolous crap needs to stop. And people and the courts need to get over the intimidation by the inmates--after all, they ARE behind bars and can't "get them" in retaliation.

Well, someday I will post and let you all know how I really feel. :D

[toytoybabie]

[B]No, please don't think I was "attacking" anyone for their point of view. Not everyone believes the way I do, and it would be a pretty dull place if we all thought the same way. Although I am against the death penalty, that is not the issue here. I realize that more often than not, these people (Richard Ramirez was who we were discussing) are absolutely not rehabilitatable. It's just not possible. The point I was trying to make is this. It seems that we are breeding these serial killers at an alarming rate, and although profiling has helped some, it seems like just when a few characteristics seem parallel in all of these guys, they change their M.O. Case in point, the BTK killer. He was not abused as a child, no severe emotional head or psychological trauma, no bedwetting, etc. Yet, there he is. What I was trying to say is that I feel much can be learned from studying these people rather than killing them. Perhaps then we could start to recognize these "killers in the making" before they reach that pivotal age of puberty, and head them off. Do you see where I was coming from? Thanks. /B]

[Big Sister]

Oh, Wind, I am so sorry - reading what you have been through brought tears to my eyes. You're right - these hideous monsters should not be allowed on the streets, no matter their age. Rape is an act of violence and if one is capable of committing rape at 20 or 30 or 40, they are still capable at 79. It is nice to see that VT has gotten rid of good time: at least that is a step forward.

The son of CA's ex-Assembly Speaker (Fabian Nuñez) has been arrested for the murder of a San Diego college student. If he is convicted (ha, ha), I'm sure we'll hear more about needing reform in our prison system. After all, we can't have daddy's little boy bending over to pick up the soap, can we? I shudder to write it, but I don't see CA having the DP much longer.

And Amy, I agree that the inmates should get only basic medical/dental care. There should also be a way of charging them or their families for such care. Thanks for the reminder about Dr. Sharp - totally slipped my mind. I thought I read somewhere that he did get his surgery? It really makes me want to scream. I was recently laid-off (after almost 20 years) and I can barely afford basic medical/dental care.

I don't know about rehabilitation. I read somewhere that the majority of people in prison are repeat offenders - around 90%. We do have the 3 strikes law here, but even that is being watered down.

On the news now is a story about a gunman who walked into a hospital in Long Beach, CA and now there are 2 people dead and 1 critical. It gets depressing.

[Big Sister]

Toy, I don't believe anyone was attacking your point of view. One of the things that is so nice about these boards is the respect people give to everyone's opinion. I understand your comment about wanting to study these people to see what can be learned from them, but don't forget that, for the most part, they are master manipulators. Case in point, Ted Bundy. During the Gary Ridgeway (Green River) murders, he was in contact with LE in Washington offering his "insights." Several investigators flew to Florida to meet with him, but he just tried to play with them in order to delay his execution. It's also believed he wanted to make sure he had more kills than Ridgeway - competition among murderers. :)

There is no reason why studies cannot be done before execution. After all, these people are on DR for decades. During that period of time, much could be learned, but more often than not, the defense attorneys will not allow the in-depth interviews. The FBI founded the BSU (now the ISU) on interviews with serial killers, and I understand they are continuing.

Finally, yes I know that the DP is more costly that LWOP. If however, the appeals process was pared down to something sensible, the cost would decline dramatically.

[wind149]

Sister! Yeah, people whine about the cost to keep an inmate in DR and yet, other countries have the DP and they execute their scumbags within days not decades and they save lots of money by doing it! Now you would have the bleeders piss and moan about an innocent person was executed and I am sure there have been many, sadly, a lot of minorities were especially during the blood thirsty racist 50's and we can't bring them back, but with the technology we have especially with the birth of DNA, very few are innocent that are sitting on DR sucking up tax dollars that could be better spent on things for law abiding people! I read where some moron who was in the process of changing sexes who had been arrested and convicted of a murdering his lover's new love interest and expected NY to allow him to continue his hormone treatments and then have the taxpayer's pay as those shots are not cheap and I was like WTF????

And had a lawyer screaming rights and I am like what gives him the right to turn into a woman? Is there an amendment that dictates that? Not any law books I ever read or RSA's or factors!! And I was like if he gets to manipulate the state of NY, think what the other losers will try to pull. NY did not give into his whims and he pissed and moaned, his lawyer went on MSNBC screaming that his client was in fact a woman and he planned on suing the state for denying his client the shots he needed to transform himself into the woman he was meant to be!! Now the state came back with, he wants the shots, he could pay for them instead of making the tax payer's pay and of course he screamed back that he was indigent and the state would not budge, he lost the lawsuit but his lawyer gained some fame if not money.

I remember an inmate in VT that would not eat the food because veggie offerings are not the mainstay of prison food and because he was vegan, he expected the prison to prepare and make him his vegan meals and they refused, come on, then every one of these idiots would demand what they wanted and he decides to get a lawyer and sue the state of VT. Here again, he was told that they would not make him vegan meals and if he wanted them, he was to buy his own food and of course this slob did not have a pot to piss in and lost that suit too. Now prison food is awful, you figure some prisons have to cook for many many people, and the cost to feed 5,000 inmates must be staggering so they do cut corners, like only one hot a day, they can live having a cereal for breakfast and boloney sandwiches, if I had my way, DR inmates would get bread and water. The food is supposed to be enough protein and nourishment, not gourmet fare.

And VT prisons serve what they call Nutra-Loaf which is made out of oats and veggies and some other ingredients and they give this to the idiots that refuse to eat the food and I thought Geez, another frivious lawsuit to hit the correctional center, inmates that use their utensils to lob feces at CO's and refuse to eat are given that and a plastic spoon and this is all the prison is required to do, they are providing substance, hell, they don't want to eat, no skin off my ass and we all know why they pull this crap. To get attention and get to chose what they want to eat, because they figure they make this big yahoo that the CO's will break down and given them sandwiches instead of the mystery meat and they get their own ways like babies!!! Now this facility is giving that loaf instead of giving into their whims and the inmates are pissed!!! Lawyers were sniffing around getting ready to take the cases and then realized no jury in the land will think these losers are being starved to death!! They don't call them cons for nothing!!

So you see why it costs a lot to house and feed and amuse these losers and some bleeders forget why they are behind bars instead of focusing on their victims, does it not frost ya to know that these morons will represent or stand behind a guy who raped, sodomized and choked to death a child, fight to the end they will!! I watched one of those bleeding heart idiots fighting to save a POS who raped and murdered a pregnant woman and also shot her three children and two died and one was left with brain damage, from being executed and this guy was obsessed with getting his client clemency, and it came down to the final hours and then Gov Bush refused to grant it, so he goes to the prison to hold his client's hand for the last time and called all his kin and I was thinking, has this moron ever represented a victim?? Has he ever held a sobbing child in his arms like I have?? Has he ever seen the pain and fear in an abused woman's face? This guy was gung ho, he tried the "retard defense" and Bush was not hearing it so the guy is executed at 1201 a.m.

And what does this moron do? After exiting the prison where people are either clapping and swilling beer, to people screaming that this POS was murdered by the state of TX, he bawls like a baby!!! I was like HUH? He spent all this time, money, and energy for a POS who clearly deserved nothing less than his demise and this moron is crying because this scumbag was sent to hell!!! WTF!! He actually felt for this mutt!! Not his victims, not a child left with brain damage and a hole in his face, to his two baby sisters shot in the face, to his mother who was brutally raped and then shot in the head and the unborn fetus also died, no he cries for a POS that was a career criminal his entire life!! Who gives a s*it that his Momma beat him? I was blown away to see the emotion come out of this guy! And as for studying these scumbags? Scientists examined John Wayne Gacy after he was executed and the only thing that came of that besides costing big bucks, is his brain was very large, but they could not link that to his twisted actions, 33 boys he raped and murdered, that is his only legacy.

[Big Sister]

One2Snoop posted a People Magazine article about Scott Peterson on DR. Several things stood out including the fact that "Scotty" spends 5 hours a day outside - in the sun - playing and exercising. Another is because he has filed an appeal he isn't likely to face execution for two decades!!! If it's going to take 20 years to put "Scotty" down, no wonder it is taking so long for RR who has 13 more kills to his name.

[wind149]

Unreal ain't it? I bet unless CA changes their ways, that it will be longer than 20 years and I read Snoop's scoop on him and that just infuriates me that even the CO's think he is a f*cking rock star and call him Scotty??? This puke murdered his pregnant wife and unborn child and hard time he is not doing! Hard time is lockdown 23 with an hour out in a dog cage, a hot a day, a thin mattress on a metal cot, no TV or radio, in some supermaxes, even DR inmates do not have them at all, they stare at the walls, no vists, no phone, and no mail, they deserve nothing!!! And I watched one of those lock up shows about San Quentin and a typical evening meal was baked chicken, mashed potato and veggie with ice cream for desert!!! They should be getting what Sheriff Joe Arpio of AZ serves his inmates, slop, about 18 cents a meal and it looks terrible, but since he has his inmates on a chain gang 12 hours a day, they either eat it or starve!! And what galls me is his parents actually post letters on the net for him!!! He has it made, I am surprised he has not gotten married, but the player he thinks he is, he is probably getting letters, phone calls and canteen money from several women and I betcha he tells them that he loves them and they are the only one in his life!!! He makes me sick and I was thrilled when he got a death sentence!!! But what sucks, is Laci's parents are not young, they will probably pass away before this dirtbag is executed!!!

[Big Sister]

I went to bed last night thinking about the People article: it truly disturbed me. Think about how the COs must feel having to work day in and day out with these degenerates. I'm sure they see the "nice guy" personae these creatures display to the public. I only hope, when they go off duty, the COs are able to think of them as the scum they truly are.

I absolutely love Sheriff Joe Arpio. Doesn't he also issue pink clothing to them?

[Jezebel]

I'm very happy that Richard is still alive and that he is okay.

And I'm happy for every Day he has.

and don't forget: He is still a human!!!
HE IS NOT A MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!

He means very much to me.

he is my Life.... He keeps me alive... Without him I'm nothing....
Yes I love him with all my Heart.
And yes I know what his Crimes, and I don't care...

[SaraSidle]

I'm very happy that Richard is still alive and that he is okay.

And I'm happy for every Day he has.

and don't forget: He is still a human!!!
HE IS NOT A MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!

He means very much to me.

he is my Life.... He keeps me alive... Without him I'm nothing....
Yes I love him with all my Heart.
And yes I know what his Crimes, and I don't care...

You do know he is not well?

[Amy]

I'm very happy that Richard is still alive and that he is okay.

And I'm happy for every Day he has.

and don't forget: He is still a human!!!
HE IS NOT A MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!

He means very much to me.

he is my Life.... He keeps me alive... Without him I'm nothing....
Yes I love him with all my Heart.
And yes I know what his Crimes, and I don't care...

I would say I guess it's true that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And, to me and many others, beautiful, he is not. In fact, in many people's eyes, he is indeed a monster, a being without a heart. A human being does not murder ruthlessly, strangers, people who have done nothing to him.

[Jezebel]

@SaraSidle: what do you mean, he is not well?

[wind149]

Jezebel. I am hoping that you are not a serial killer groupie because if you are, your time on this board will be very scant as we do not tolerate people who idolize a scumbag that raped and murdered 14 freaking people and as for asking Sara what she meant? He is a twisted baturd who should not be breathing right now and he is a sociopath and Thank God he will never be in society again and I am hoping that his appeals are coming to an end so they can needle this scumbag all the way to hell, personally, I wish they still used the gas chambers in CA, I would love to watch this twisted puke gasp his last. And girl, it sounds to me that you are delusional and are you aware that he has a (GAG) a wife?? Can't you find someone else to idolize than a sexual deviant, twisted piece of dog puke who raped and murdered a child?? Anyone who idolizes scum like this has to be as twisted as he is and you have the nerve to say you hope he has a good day? What about his victims? Their families and friends have to go to a graveyard to see their loved ones, and this POS scumbag can have visits from his scum wife so Jezebel? I think you need HELP if you think that this puke is a human being, he isn't, he murdered innocent people because he wanted to, he never showed one iota of remorse during his trial, he flashed the 666 symbol and growled at the press and laughed, had the balls to freaking laugh, when a victim's family gave an impact statement and you actually worship this scumbag???

[beemer]

Go Wind!!!! Wow too bad she couldn't spend a few hours in his cell-might have a different opine:confused::cuss: Almost forgot to ask-Are you Karla Holmoka Jezebel?

[dan_uk]

I'm very happy that Richard is still alive and that he is okay.

And I'm happy for every Day he has.

HE IS NOT A MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!


.your the only one whos happy then and if hes not a monster who kills,what is he then????

he should of been put to death years ago

[Marian Paroo]

For what it's worth, Jezebel is the name of a brand of trash bags here.

You see, in Hebrew the name is Eezebel (no J sound in Hebrew).

By coincidence, the word Zevel means trash and Ee means not.

So Eezevel is the name of a super strong trash bag.:biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

Too bad he is so sick. I find it hard to believe his fans do not know. sara

[wind149]

I don't think Jezebel liked what we all had to say and too bad, I refuse to let anyone here, make some kinda hero out of that POS, raping, scumbag, dirtbag deviant! If she wants to idolize him, take it to the IS board, they will love it over there!! They like serial killer groupies, you should fit in well!! And sometimes, his blushing bride has been known to surf there, maybe she can get you Jezebel, a visitor's pass to meet her adored one??? Anyone who can worship an evil toothless scuzzball, has to be as twisted as he is, so go over to the IS board, you are not welcome here!!

Sara, I guess you hit a nerve, apparently, she does not think that he is ill? Neither do I, he knew exactly what he was doing when he raped, sodomized, and strangled and stabbed 14 innocent people and I will be God dammed if anyone here is gonna bait anyone over him, and you will be banned real fast!!!

[SaraSidle]

I don't think Jezebel liked what we all had to say and too bad, I refuse to let anyone here, make some kinda hero out of that POS, raping, scumbag, dirtbag deviant! If she wants to idolize him, take it to the IS board, they will love it over there!! They like serial killer groupies, you should fit in well!! And sometimes, his blushing bride has been known to surf there, maybe she can get you Jezebel, a visitor's pass to meet her adored one??? Anyone who can worship an evil toothless scuzzball, has to be as twisted as he is, so go over to the IS board, you are not welcome here!!

Sara, I guess you hit a nerve, apparently, she does not think that he is ill? Neither do I, he knew exactly what he was doing when he raped, sodomized, and strangled and stabbed 14 innocent people and I will be God dammed if anyone here is gonna bait anyone over him, and you will be banned real fast!!!

I am speaking physically too Wind.

[wind149]

Sara, if he is physically ill, I hope he is in agony!! No cancer or other afflictions could possibly make up for the fact that this scumbag sodomized a 6 year old boy and then slaughtered him and his grandparents!!! If he indeed has cancer, I hope it is the lingering kind, that eats away at him, piece by piece and no pain meds are offered! What galls me too, is how long this POS has been sucking up tax dollars!! he gets medical and dental, three hots a day, he can bask in the CA sunshine as he is not locked down 24/7 and can get visits from his scumbag whack job wife!! Maybe Jezebel is her? I thought about that, because she was on the old Court TV board looking for sympathizers and she got them over there, but maybe they got sick of her too? I wonder how wifey would feel if he got out of prison and attacked her? But knowing how whacked she is, she would probably defend him, but he will never get out and I am hoping after 20 plus years, that his appeals will exhaust sooner than later!!

[Wagsy]

I'm very happy that Richard is still alive and that he is okay.

And I'm happy for every Day he has.

and don't forget: He is still a human!!!
HE IS NOT A MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!

He means very much to me.

he is my Life.... He keeps me alive... Without him I'm nothing....
Yes I love him with all my Heart.
And yes I know what his Crimes, and I don't care...


So what makes a person like you find that it takes an evil person, locked away, sitting on DR, to give you Life, keep you Alive, make you Something? Is the fascination that he is forever unattainable so you idolize him? Why can you not be 'someone' on your own? :shrug: Or, as suggested, are you his wife?

Wagsy

[SaraSidle]

So what makes a person like you find that it takes an evil person, locked away, sitting on DR, to give you Life, keep you Alive, make you Something? Is the fascination that he is forever unattainable so you idolize him? Why can you not be 'someone' on your own? :shrug: Or, as suggested, are you his wife?

Wagsy

Wagsy Richard's wife usually posted as Doreen Ramirez. She used to post here but I think her posts might be gone when part of the thread left. :shrug:

[Wagsy]

Wagsy Richard's wife usually posted as Doreen Ramirez. She used to post here but I think her posts might be gone when part of the thread left. :shrug:

Oops! Shouldn't post when I haven't been following the thread from the beginning. :punch: Thanks for the info!! :hat:

[Marian Paroo]

You know, there's nothing new about women going gaga over killers.

Very big in 18th century London. In John Gay's The Beggar's Opera, two women fight over the highway man Macheath.

In on of the final pictures in the Hogarth series The Harlot's Progress, the harlot has a picture of a wanted highwayman on the wall.

Fine ladies would visit these guys in Newgate Prison and bring them food and clothing. They would line the streets from Newgate to Tyburn Tree (today's Marble Arch) swooning as the carts took them away to be hanged.

[SaraSidle]

Oops! Shouldn't post when I haven't been following the thread from the beginning. :punch: Thanks for the info!! :hat:

It is not your fault Marian. I think that part of the thread no longer exists.
sara

[SaraSidle]

You know, there's nothing new about women going gaga over killers.

Very big in 18th century London. In John Gay's The Beggar's Opera, two women fight over the highway man Macheath.

In on of the final pictures in the Hogarth series The Harlot's Progress, the harlot has a picture of a wanted highwayman on the wall.

Fine ladies would visit these guys in Newgate Prison and bring them food and clothing. They would line the streets from Newgate to Tyburn Tree (today's Marble Arch) swooning as the carts took them away to be hanged.

I have no doubt of that Marian. I am sure Jezebel is one of very many. IMO sara

[C SKOLIK]

Convicts on DR, espcially the real nasty types provide the most interesting form of safe sex-maybe ideal given the way fantasy fuels the killer, and women can idealise the REAL masculinity of a mad dog killer safe in the no-ledge that he is behind bars-PERFECT

[Marian Paroo]

Convicts on DR, espcially the real nasty types provide the most interesting form of safe sex-maybe ideal given the way fantasy fuels the killer, and women can idealise the REAL masculinity of a mad dog killer safe in the no-ledge that he is behind bars-PERFECT

Maybe in the USA, but here even murderers get conjugal visits :(, which is beyond my understanding.

I would have to look and see why, but my gut feeling is that it wasn't a demand from the left, but from the religious parties.