"One police source says it's 'nothing obvious,' medical examiner needs more tests"

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Behl's body released to family
One police source says it's 'nothing obvious,' medical examiner needs more tests

BY JIM NOLAN AND PAIGE AKIN
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITERS
Wednesday, October 12, 2005


The body of Taylor Marie Behl was released to her family yesterday as sources close to the investigation into her death said the medical examiner's office will need more tests to determine how she died.

Contact Jim Nolan at (804) 649-6061 or jnolan@timesdispatch.com
Contact Paige Akin at (804) 649-6671 or pakin@timesdispatch.com

This story can be found at: http://timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128767486256

[molly1]

Well there you go.

Nothing obvious means no bullet wounds, no knife marks, no broken neck or fractured skull, etc.


The toxicology tests for an overdose might take a little longer.

If this had been a skateboarding hitchhiker accident, I think you would see multiple trauma to bones, so that is kind of ruled out.

As usual, we will probably be left in the dark about cause of death.

If she'd been strangled, it's likely that the hyoid (sp?) bone in her throat would have been crushed. That does leave suffocation since there would be no way to check for petechial hemmoraging.

Let's wait until the tox screen comes back.

[molly1]

Originally posted by Rowan Again
If she'd been strangled, it's likely that the hyoid (sp?) bone in her throat would have been crushed. That does leave suffocation since there would be no way to check for petechial hemmoraging.

Let's wait until the tox screen comes back.

well it leaves all kinds of things including chocking on a fishbone.

It doesn't even point to murder, in other words.

An accident and someone panicked? How could you prove it was not that?

IMO

[marabeth]

Westerfield, Peterson and the murderers of Girly Hossencroft were convicted without cause of death..Girly's body was never found.

http://www.markhorner.com/Hoss/they_said_it_on_Court_TV.html

Despite the lack of a body and paucity of material evidence, Hossencroft's killers were ultimately convicted, and TRACINGS IN BLOOD shows how with the help of forensic experts, investigators who worked on the case and others who were intimately involved.

Originally posted by molly1


well it leaves all kinds of things including chocking on a fishbone.

It doesn't even point to murder, in other words.

An accident and someone panicked? How could you prove it was not that?

IMO

I'm not making any assumptions yet. It's much too early. However, the location of the body, the missing car and license plates .. all seem to point to something nefarious. If it was an accidental OD, or some other kind of accident, one would think that the police would have been called immediately. The hiding of things does seem to raise more questions than answers.

[molly1]

Originally posted by Rowan Again


I'm not making any assumptions yet. It's much too early. However, the location of the body, the missing car and license plates .. all seem to point to something nefarious. If it was an accidental OD, or some other kind of accident, one would think that the police would have been called immediately. The hiding of things does seem to raise more questions than answers.

The hiding of the body does make sense if she died accidently--if you are talking about kids who panic or an ex con who is sleeping with minors.

Hiding a body--what is that? Abuse of a cadaver? Is that a misdemeanor?

IMO

[harris513]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
There is no way to ask this nicely...
Where did the report of 'scattered' and 'machete' come from?
Looking at those words made me wonder...

Things i've been wondering, Just went back and read article "nothing less then first degree murder" in crime library.

i remember reading that they removed her skull first to check dental records, can't find that now.

But this at the time made me believe she was dismembered.

OK so if there is no conclusive cause of death and they have released the body does this mean that if she was dismembered it happened post mortem if so was a drug (possibly ben's perscription) and alcohol coktail to blame. Lets go the toxicology!!!!!!!

ALL MY OPINIONS
hmmmm to much thinking heads hurting, maybe more later.

[molly1]

Originally posted by harris513


Things i've been wondering, Just went back and read article "nothing less then first degree murder" in crime library.

i remember reading that they removed her skull first to check dental records, can't find that now.

But this at the time made me believe she was dismembered.

OK so if there is no conclusive cause of death and they have released the body does this mean that if she was dismembered it happened post mortem if so was a drug (possibly ben's perscription) and alcohol coktail to blame. Lets go the toxicology!!!!!!!

ALL MY OPINIONS
hmmmm to much thinking heads hurting, maybe more later.

No one is saying she was dismembered. I have heard the talking heads report her bones were 'scattered,' that the remains were 'skeletal.'

This could be normal decomposition of a body on land, exposed to animals, in a warm climate. My guess is that is what it is.

IMO

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by harris513


Things i've been wondering, Just went back and read article "nothing less then first degree murder" in crime library.

i remember reading that they removed her skull first to check dental records, can't find that now.

But this at the time made me believe she was dismembered.

OK so if there is no conclusive cause of death and they have released the body does this mean that if she was dismembered it happened post mortem if so was a drug (possibly ben's perscription) and alcohol coktail to blame. Lets go the toxicology!!!!!!!

ALL MY OPINIONS
hmmmm to much thinking heads hurting, maybe more later.


And what about the police chief's (?) comment, something to the effect - something happened to her, that she could not have done to herself. Or something along those lines. OD she could have accidentally done herself....so I think I'd have to rule that out.
:shrug:

Bev Ann

[harris513]

Originally posted by BevAnn



And what about the police chief's (?) comment, something to the effect - something happened to her, that she could not have done to herself. Or something along those lines. OD she could have accidentally done herself....so I think I'd have to rule that out.
:shrug:

Bev Ann

OD she could have done dismemberment she couldn't
remember that is just the cause of death in question here not what happened afterwards

[molly1]

Originally posted by BevAnn



And what about the police chief's (?) comment, something to the effect - something happened to her, that she could not have done to herself. Or something along those lines. OD she could have accidentally done herself....so I think I'd have to rule that out.
:shrug:

Bev Ann

That's a good question: what did he mean?

Are we supposed to guess?

That's what I hate about these cases. They give you sketchy facts--scattered bones, a machete found in his apartment, she didn't do 'that' to herself--and leave you to jump to the conclusion that 2 + 2 = 6.

Maybe he just meant she didn't put herself in a garbage bag in a shallow grave behind the barn.

IMO

[harris513]

Originally posted by molly1


That's a good question: what did he mean?

Are we supposed to guess?

That's what I hate about these cases. They give you sketchy facts--scattered bones, a machete found in his apartment, she didn't do 'that' to herself--and leave you to jump to the conclusion that 2 + 2 = 6.

Maybe he just meant she didn't put herself in a garbage bag in a shallow grave behind the barn.

IMO

Scattered bones though??? what native fauna is there in that area?? (forgive me i'm in Australia)

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by molly1


That's a good question: what did he mean?

Are we supposed to guess?

That's what I hate about these cases. They give you sketchy facts--scattered bones, a machete found in his apartment, she didn't do 'that' to herself--and leave you to jump to the conclusion that 2 + 2 = 6.

Maybe he just meant she didn't put herself in a garbage bag in a shallow grave behind the barn.

IMO

Who said she was in a garbage bag?

[molly1]

Originally posted by harris513


Scattered bones though??? what native fauna is there in that area?? (forgive me i'm in Australia)

Oh you know, the usual.

It's the country.

Coyotes, wolves, dogs, raccoons, ferrets, whatever.

IMO

[molly1]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


Who said she was in a garbage bag?

Oh you can delete the garbage bag lol.

That is internet scuttlebut that I've read in various posts.

I don't know if it is true or not.

I was just trying to make the point that the chief could have meant anything with his cryptic statement.

IMO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel
This was always my fear as soon as I heard the remains were "mostly skeletal".

Most distressing.

Like I said in a previous post, I want justice so bad I can taste it.
I want to see somebody swing at the end of a rope. All evidence points toward bf.

What happens if they can't pinpoint a cause of death? Can they still charge bf with murder? What happens if the tests show traces of illegal drugs? What if le is able to prove that it was bf who buried her? What if he admits that he was with her when she died.....that SHE came to him with some drugs and talked HIM into using them......and then she keeled over dead and he panicked and buried her? Can they still charge him with something??

Nightmares are returning..........

But why does it have to be Ben Fawley that is at the end of the rope?

Not saying he isn't the most likely suspect at this point. Just saying he's the most likely suspect because of what's been reported by the media.

We have to take a lot of things into consideration for Ben to be the only possible perp:

1. Jake and/or Kevin lied. They contradict each other's statements even when taking Ben Fawley completely out of the equation.

2. Ben Fawley is not the only person to have a connection with Taylor Behl and the location of the recovery.

3. Ben Fawley would have had to have broken into two residences that were connected to Jesse Schultz, after being considered a person of interest. I have no facts to back this up, but I bet dollars to donuts that Ben Fawley was under surveillance during that time period.

4. The residents on Mulberry said Taylor's vehicle was not on their street the entire time she was missing.

5. Chess tracked a scent from Taylor's car to Jesse Schultz's aunt's house. (I don't think dog evidence is the end-all, be-all; but I'm positive Chess was following a trail and it had to be somewhat recent. It wasn't 2 weeks old)

6. Nissan Altima impounded. Has it been given back to the owner? If not, I would say there is something evidentiary allowing them to keep it beyond a reasonable time period.

I'm sure there are more things I'm missing that make this case somewhat discombobulated.

[molly1]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


But why does it have to be Ben Fawley that is at the end of the rope?

Not saying he isn't the most likely suspect at this point. Just saying he's the most likely suspect because of what's been reported by the media.

We have to take a lot of things into consideration for Ben to be the only possible perp:

1. Jake and/or Kevin lied. They contradict each other's statements even when taking Ben Fawley completely out of the equation.

2. Ben Fawley is not the only person to have a connection with Taylor Behl and the location of the recovery.

3. Ben Fawley would have had to have broken into two residences that were connected to Jesse Schultz, after being considered a person of interest. I have no facts to back this up, but I bet dollars to donuts that Ben Fawley was under surveillance during that time period.

4. The residents on Mulberry said Taylor's vehicle was not on their street the entire time she was missing.

5. Chess tracked a scent from Taylor's car to Jesse Schultz's aunt's house. (I don't think dog evidence is the end-all, be-all; but I'm positive Chess was following a trail and it had to be somewhat recent. It wasn't 2 weeks old)

6. Nissan Altima impounded. Has it been given back to the owner? If not, I would say there is something evidentiary allowing them to keep it beyond a reasonable time period.

I'm sure there are more things I'm missing that make this case somewhat discombobulated.

7. Ben Fawley is allergic to bees. He states in a post written in April that he doesn't want to wait too much longer to go into the country to do his model shoots because of his bee allergy.

8. Ben is searching for Taylor on Thursday by hunting down Kevin to find the skateboarders Taylor was known to board with.

9. After he came under suspicion and harrassed on the internet, Ben removed a lot of his writings including pictures of Taylor, but he never removed the pictures of the abandoned farm where Taylor was found. Consciousness of innocence.

IMO

[Chloe G.]

Originally posted by Rowan Again
If she'd been strangled, it's likely that the hyoid (sp?) bone in her throat would have been crushed. That does leave suffocation since there would be no way to check for petechial hemmoraging.

Let's wait until the tox screen comes back.

i was of the understanding that when the victim is young, that bone is more flexible and in most instances, does not break. if that's true, strangulation could still be a possibility.

chloe

[molly1]

Originally posted by Chloe G.


i was of the understanding that when the victim is young, that bone is more flexible and in most instances, does not break. if that's true, strangulation could still be a possibility.

chloe

So is chocking on a fishbone possible.

So is aspirating vomit after passing out from drinking.

So are hundreds of other things that are not murder.

IMO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel


Hi bfd,

At first the dog bothered me. If it was a bad track (as happens) why did it have to track to js - somebody who has a connection to taylor and village, etc?? So I wasn't able to write off the track. Then I learned there was no connection between js and taylor, village etc. He's not the jesse taylor's mom spoke about.
To the best of my knowledge that is still the case: no connection between js and Taylor, village etc... No connection means I'm more willing to write off the track. We don't really know. The police DO know. They know where js worked in the past and have checked his alibi for the night she went missing. At this moment, the police probably have a VERY good idea if there is a connection between js and taylor. The less the connection, the greater the probablity of a bad track.

It doesn't have to be bf that swings. It seems like the evidence is absolutely overwhelming that he was involved. The cc was the final straw for me. The cc purchase of gas that night was why bf had to come up with that alibi. He had to show why he was buying gas (remember he doesn't drive) that night. As far as I know, the cc report is still valid.(?)

If we had all the info that le has, things would probably be even more obvious. Somebody like me would then take bf outside and shoot him (after making him dig his grave). Fortunately, we live in a civilized society: le needs to prove their case - beyond a reasonable doubt - in front of an impartial jury.

I'll go ahead and admit it: I doubt I could serve on that jury. I already have him convicted in my mind!

For some reason I can't discount Jesse, just because of the breakins. How convenient. One house, possibly a random burglary. But two houses within a 24 hour period that are burglarized and connected to this young man?

Naw. Sumfin ain't right bout dat.

[molly1]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel


I still think bf was in panic mode that night. He wasn't thinking about bees. He just wanted to hide the body. The farm was the best place his fevered,panicked, and racing mind could come up with. It was probably night. Bees were the least of his worries.

Bf was making it LOOK like he was searching for Taylor. Wouldn't you if you just killed her and hid her body??

He took those pictures down when the media cast a spotlight on them. "He has pictures of Taylor on his website". Taylor's mom said he "took advantage of her". He was immediately being cast in a bad light because of those pictures. TTBOMK, those pictures were the first to go.

Bee allergies mean death to people who are highly allergic. Anaphylactic shock can kill you. That's not something you are likely to forget when picking between a 4 hour round trip to the country versus leaving her on a city street in the trunk of her car with stolen plates on it.

He wasn't making it look like he was searching for her. He visited Kevin in the privacy of his workplace and had no reason to think we would ever hear about it.

He never took the pictures of the abandoned farm off the web. They are there to this day. Consciousness of innocence.

I can appreciate wanting to get the guy that did this. I think it's important to get the right guy.

IMO

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel




Hi Molly

I don't agree about the bees. I don't think bf thought about bees at all. Especially at night...if it was night. Bees didn't prevent him from going to the farm to take pictures of Erin. Why would they prevent from hiding a body after doing the ultimate crime? I think he would have gone to the farm that night even if he was allergic to crickets. Even if he was allergic to the sound of crickets!!

Workplaces are public.....not private. Regardless, if I were bf, I would assume le would interview everybody - including Kevin.
Would't it be nice if kevin told le that bf came to him asking about Taylor? Bf doesn't care what WE hear, he only cares what LE hears. To me this is just a lame attempt to send a message to le that he (bf) was "looking" for taylor.

Like I said, he took pictures of Taylor down as soon as they cast him in a bad light. Was he supposed to take down the farm pictures next? (headlines: "Fawley took down pictures of Taylor from his website. Now he has taken down pictures of a farm")

Could be he wanted to get rid of everything but didn't have time. Could be he didn't want to take down pictures of the farm because it would be obvious. Might even be that he simply forgot about the farm pictures. Or didn't think anyone would make a connection. Remember how long it DID take le to make a connection.

Molly, I agree it's important to get the right guy. But if it turns out bf isn't involved?.....then.........I'll send you money for your next vacation.....anywhere in the world.....(lol)

It is my understanding the pictures of Taylor were taken down when her parents (legal guardians) told him to. She was not of age, therefore her parents had the legal say in that matter.

He took down hundreds of pictures. He was deleting whole folders. Why didn't he just delete the whole account?

He had almost 3 weeks to get rid of stuff. He was in his accounts big time after the media were on him. Either he left them as a taunt, or he left them because he had no idea Taylor was there.

[kbean520]

Originally posted by molly1


So is chocking on a fishbone possible.

So is aspirating vomit after passing out from drinking.

So are hundreds of other things that are not murder.

IMO

or a plastic bag used to suffocate her... like the one he mentioned in hi- oh-so-pathetic alibi

[starling]

Originally posted by BevAnn



And what about the police chief's (?) comment, something to the effect - something happened to her, that she could not have done to herself. Or something along those lines. OD she could have accidentally done herself....so I think I'd have to rule that out.
:shrug:

Bev Ann

I heard it.
He did say on Dateline that she could not have done THAT to herself. I assume he saw the remains (gave me chills)
Then there was some back and forth on Dateline along the line..'so she did not just wander out there and fall in a ditch?' He said 'NO'.

JMO

[Bluprint]

Has anyone here mentioned that "choking sex" ... you know where you near-strangle someone right before climax to heighten your sensations? Maybe Ben went too far with Taylor? That's a goth thing because the gardener that pruned my flowers used to be into that and this was the early 90's. He "spanked" me once and I knocked his ahh across the room so I can't say he ever dared to choke me but I know it's supposed to be "all that."

Don't blush... I'm into goth/rockabilly/pin-up and all the kinks and fetishes that come along with it. I'm normal. I'm Christian. I'm married to an engineer. I'm on the PTA! :D

[Hey Paula]

This seems to be in direct contradiction to what has been reported on GVS's show via interviews with the Police Chief and other members of LE.

It had been reported that they feel confident this case will be resolved.

It has been stated that they have gathered much evidence, and they are focusing on one person now; one of the LE members (can't recall his name) said it was BF.

The same LE member stated this was a first degree murder case, citing the stolen plates as part of the premeditation.

They spoke of wounds consistent with a machete found in BF's apartment.

They also said this was a murder because Taylor could not have done, what was done, to her own body.

The underside of Taylor's car contained substances consistent with the area she was found.

One of the other posters mentioned a black plastic trash bag, which I also heard mentioned on TV, as having been found on/with/near Taylor's remains.

[BevAnn]

Originally posted by Bluprint
Has anyone here mentioned that "choking sex" ... you know where you near-strangle someone right before climax to heighten your sensations? Maybe Ben went too far with Taylor? That's a goth thing because the gardener that pruned my flowers used to be into that and this was the early 90's. He "spanked" me once and I knocked his ahh across the room so I can't say he ever dared to choke me but I know it's supposed to be "all that."

Don't blush... I'm into goth/rockabilly/pin-up and all the kinks and fetishes that come along with it. I'm normal. I'm Christian. I'm married to an engineer. I'm on the PTA! :D

BLU! I about choked on my iced tea!!!

Spanked by the gardener?!?! :eek: Are you a writer for Desperate Housewives??!!? :D

oh man, that made my day!

Bev Ann

[TN_Profiler]

I'm right there with you regarding the farm AvengingAngel. I too strongly believe "panic mode" was in full effect.

Think about it .... how many people are really good at getting rid of a body? It seems to be the part of the crime they are the least prepared for. Even Scott Peterson thought he had placed Laci in the middle of the ocean. It is a rare occurance for a killer to return to the scene of the disposal for the purpose of doing a better job at hiding/concealing. Mistakes made during the disposal is what is going to help link Benny-boy to this crime.

I would think the adrenaline/panic/hurried nature AFTER the fact is what leads to poor decision making. I am convinced the farm was not random, but a location known for being unoccupied and little chance for discovery.

The question that keeps going around and around for me is the car and the license plates. Since Benny-boy did not have a vehicle, I assume he used her car. What is the deal with the other plates the police keep asking about?

[Hey Paula]

I wonder if the license plates LE are looking for are in connection with the gas purchase on BF's credit card? Perhaps BF used other plates, and the gas station clerk wrote the plate number on their copy of the charge receipt.

It seems logical for them to do this in the event they had a problem collecting the funds from the credit card company, or if a stolen cc was used.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel


hey BFD,

I remember Gretta talking about the pictures in those early days. She said that the pictures were there, and then he took them down. This while interviewing Janet. Janet said something about bf exploiting Taylor because she was 17. She was angry about the pictures. There was nothing said about Janet forcing bf to take them down. At that early point, the pictures had already been taken down......

I just don't see any big deal about leaving the farm pictures up. Like I said, look how long it took LE to make the connection. He couldn't just take down the farm pictures without seeming obvious. He couldn't delete the whole account...that goes against the grain of his very being.

I think he chose the farm because it was his best option. It was the safe place he knew. He wasn't thinking long term. He was just hoping the body would never be found in the farthest, most desolate place he could think of.

BTW, BFD, think about this: I've said time and again that he picked the farm because he was in panic mode and it was the best place (farthest, desolate, familiar) he could think of. If it turns out that he knew lots of places - just as far, just as desolate, just as safe (familiar) as the farm, then I doubt I'm right. Any ideas? Do you know if he had pictures of other places (as far, as desolate, as safe) on his site?

Yes. There were other desolate out of the way places. In fact one of them is even more desolate and isolated than the one Taylor's body was found in.

In the beginning I was always thinking about the Fulton trainyard. It's in the city, but it's isolated. It would be difficult for someone to find a body there.

One of the other places is about the same distance from VCU as Mathews is. More desolate. More isolated. And had a connection with Erin also.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel


What's the normal procedure in that part of the country?
Where I come from, most everything is self-serve. Pay at the pump. You just swipe your card, pump and go. You never have to talk to anyone. Nobody writes anything down..

Sorry to say, I've never been to Virginia. Someday I will - just for the historical stuff (Civil War sites)..........

It's the same here. Swipe your card at the pump.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0


It's the same here. Swipe your card at the pump.

I never use a credit card to pay for gas, so I'm not familiar with the process.

It just seemed logical to me, that as a precautionary measure, e.g., stolen credit card being used, that the gas stations would either photo the license plates or write the number on their copy of the cc receipt.

[BFD - v2.0]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel


I don't see the trainyard. Too close. I think he wanted to get as far away as he possibly could and feel safe.

The other place...maybe. Another connection to Erin? Seems everything bf did is connected somehow to that poor girl......

Well, they did know each other for well over a year. (I think close to a year and a half)

They were "dating" at some point. (Hard to tell, at one point Ben says they were, but then later says it was just sex; at one point Erin says they weren't, but then after Taylor was found she said they were. LOL)

[MaxwellSmart]

Originally posted by AvengingAngel
What's the normal procedure in that part of the country?
Where I come from, most everything is self-serve. Pay at the pump. You just swipe your card, pump and go. You never have to talk to anyone. Nobody writes anything down..

Sorry to say, I've never been to Virginia. Someday I will - just for the historical stuff (Civil War sites)..........
Even when you swipe pump + go, there can be cameras around any store, and some highways, city streets, etc. maybe a plate was caught on cam somewhere? Also to note, even though you never enter the store, it is not uncommon for a clerk to note a vehicle description, plate # for many reasons.

Here is plastic bag, scattered, skull removed for dentals, rest of remains removed on another day, dumped in the ravine, no grave / burying.
http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=3948726&nav=0Rcx
I said it before, but it is my assumption the perp. decapitated her, maybe after death, but all the same, a skull does not easily separate from a body, and no way LE would do that, they would have taken her whole body in that case.

They've gathered evidence from a very large area out there, and the woods, that I think is what they are piecing together that led to the comment -- we have a pretty good idea what happened out there, and she did not do this to herself. I wish the ME had gotten more, I hope the tox screen helps, but if it was suffocation, there is no way to show that is there? He's got a history of choking women, he's got a history of violence against women, he's had charges pressed and had an upcoming court date at that time. It is my opinion that he may have assaulted her and was done going to court and being persecuted (in his mind) by their charges. Just as in many cases, I think he escalated, if she's dead and hadn't been found, she couldn't file charges like the others.

Bees -- Ben had been out to this same location on several occassions. He talked of going out for a walk, he took pictures darn near laying in the flowers and tall grass. In the cool of the night, there aren't many bees about. Also, many ppl who are severely allergic carry a bee sting kit, so they can take an immediate shot if need be. I don't see how bees have anything to do with this. JMO

For some reason I don't think it was premeditated. He would have chosen somewhere that he was not affiliated with in order to hide her body. I think the "highly illegal" thing was perhaps drugs and I don't think that it happened at that farm house if she OD'd. Maybe it happened at his apartment. He didn't call the police because he probably had sex with a minor - he's already in trouble with the law - he's got a firearm and sick child pornography on his computer. Maybe the reason he came up with "lost the camera to the theives" is because their are some pictures of taylor before she died of their activities or whatever that they were doing before she od'd. So he grabs some plates takes her car - who knows what time that is - before dawn. Has to get gas because her car doesn't have enough - doesn't use cash because then he would have to walk inside and be seen by cameras, so he is forced to use his credit card. Someone who would have thought this out would have some kind of way to pay without using His own credit card. So - he comes up with this alibi of "guys jumping him, taking his camera, his money and he has to buy gas with his credit card". So he goes to the "dirt road" hides taylors body. Maybe he had her in a trash bag to transport her - maybe that's why he had clothes in the trash. Maybe in case people saw him moving a trash bag - he could just say he was throwing old stuff out. claim it was the trash they found - instead of taylor. So anyways - he hides the body. Now where does the car go?? It didn't go onto that street right away - and maybe he hid it in a barn at the farm or at the farm who knows right. Maybe he walked a ways before being catching a ride from some "mexican" who he thought would be able to back up his story by saying that he was dropped off somewhere on a dirt road. Ben doesn't take down the pics of the farm because that would look too incriminating and he wants to seem innocent. He makes up the story about the Erin Girl being asscociated with the people who jumped him so that if they find Taylor so close to her parents home they might think it was Erin. Ya not. And he also tried to create doubt by trying to drop off the car near a skateboard guy's house.

I'm not totally sure on all this - just wild spec. :)

[TN_Profiler]

I am right on board with much of your post STTCT, right up until you theorized of her OD'ing. That would not explain the injuries he had. That, in my humble opinion, are probably defensive wounds. I don't think he walked any long distance either, but I do think he stashed the car and then moved it close to the skateboarders residence as a smoke screen.

I believe he killed her because she either rejected him or they had some sort of heated arguement that escalated. I find his alibi to be the worst story I think I have ever heard. Every piece of it is set up to explain any of the possible evidence that could be found. Dirt, semen, gas receipts, injuries on him, etc... Isn't it a bit too ironic that his half baked alibi fits every corner of her discovery? Dirt road, garbage bag, time frame, etc...

[Bluprint]

I'm sorry but there is no way Taylor would fit in a standard garbage liner. I just tried and yes, I fit inside of a Glad heavy duty 30 gallon but when my neighbor tried to lift me up, my foot popped thru the side and I followed shortly after. I'm 5'3, 106 lbs and my neighbor is 6'1, 246 lbs. So unless Ben had an extra large "contractor's trashbag" laying around, he had help. :shrug:

I tried 5 times.

[Jennifer33]

Now that's what I call hands on demonstration...I applaud you...and well I chuckled too...

NO one person can handle a body in a plastic bag without help. I've got heavy duty "honkin" size bags I use to clean the garage with and they don't even hold the trash I pick up. No way, no how anyone can dispose of a dead body in a trash bag unless one person had the bottom half the other the top. It's impossible to do it alone.

Good Point Blueprint...and thank you for the visual...:seeya:

"Nothing obvious".......very strange.

Either OD......or perhaps the confusion that is being talked about here with regard to some le comments re "she couldn't do this to herself".....maybe, she did have injuries but the injuries themselves weren't enough to be 'cause of death' meaning the police don't have specifics as to WHAT KILLED HER. Doesn't mean she wasn't in bad shape physically, it just means the visible injuries didn't kill her. Lets face it, finding out the actual cause of death would be a big key.

[nibblet]

From Richmond Times Dispatch, 9/22

"A 38-year-old amateur photographer -- one of the last people to see missing Virginia Commonwealth University student Taylor Behl -- filed a report with police claiming he had been abducted and robbed just hours after Behl was last seen on the night of Sept. 5.

The photographer told Richmond police that he was walking in an alley near Franklin Street and Monument Avenue at 5 a.m. Sept. 6 when he was "robbed by an unknown number of people," according to a Richmond Police Department incident report obtained last night by The Times-Dispatch.

The photographer told police that he was hit in the stomach by "an unknown object" before being pushed down and having a bag placed over his head. [ what part of Taylor's body was in a bag - the entire body or just a part?] "He was then put into a vehicle and driven to an unknown location and pushed out of the vehicle onto a dirt road," according to the report. [ Mathews, VA - alongside Erin's parents home].

The photographer was "unable to provide any details as to the location where he was pushed out of the vehicle," according to the report, which goes on to state that the photographer needed medication for a bipolar disorder and had been drinking before the alleged attack. [ sounds like he never went to bed - probably downed a fifth after he killed Taylor]

He [Collins the atty] said his client does not know who is involved in the attack. "But he [the photographer] suspects that it involved an acquaintance with whom he was in an argument with over the rights" to some photographs. [Erin - "look what she made me do"]

According to the police report, the photographer told police he had been involved in a similar incident last year in which he was attacked outside his home and that he believed the two events were related. He told police that a camera and tripod valued at $375 was stolen, as well as $20. [ looks like he expected the camera to be found with pictures of Taylor ?? and the $20 was probably left over from the $40 from Taylor's mom]

The photographer told police that after he was attacked, he was rescued at 6 a.m. [ nice of them to only have kidnapped him for an hour] by an unknown man who gave him a ride back to his home off Broad Street near the VCU campus."


This was one of Skulz's recently deleted entries: by Schadenfrau

Cached LiveJournal:

:: Friends of the Psycho?? ::

Journal Entry: Thu Sep 8, 2005, 2:46 AM

:: A year ago friends of an ex-girlfriend came into my apartment and attacked me. One left stabbed with his own knife. Now I got jumped, I am almost sure it was friends of the girl I was having problems with 4 months back. She has people saying I am doing stuff to her when I haven't done a thing. Yet she is placing ads online in my name. She posted messages to my guest book that were far from nice, and more. Now while I( was out taking photos I think she had me jumped.

[Sept 6] I was out very early, not sure of the time but the sun hadn't been up long. I was heading up to Monument to take photos when 3 to 4 guys jumped me. They got a trash bag over my head before I could see them. Tossed me into a car and dumped me out on some dirt road. I wasn't hurt much, just from where that sat on me. As they never said a word I am sure this was not just a robbery. My one camera and tripod is missing along with the $20.00 I had tucked in the camera. I didn't have my wallet, but I did have my bank card and that wasn't taken.

I am sure it was someone who was looking to get a message across. The only person who is giving me trouble is Erin & friends, so I am sure this is another gift from her. So add this to the tally of **** she pulled, the worse was getting my web site pulled down. She used VegPorn to kill my site. If I had the money I can sue, but I don't have the cash to pay the lawyer's retainer. So she killed the web page, destroyed a bed I made, posted some ads and stuff that sure didn’t help, and now had me jumped. Gee what a nice girl. I would just leave town, but the day before I was to head to Philly she made sure I couldn’t go. Friday thanks to her I now face more problems keeping me here in this suck-*** town. I have a way out of town. Why must this psycho keep harassing me, why can’t she just let me alone so I can go back to my kids? ::

[...I now face more problems keeping me here in ... >> his court date on 9/14 for the breaking into Erin and Jonathan Delano's apartment.. I have a way out of town -- Taylor's car??]

His writings and the more we learn are alarming - to say the least.

[trich]

The way I understand it .....the body was really not buried but like dumped in ditch...

[Nealus]

All I can say about Ben is - is that we might have better understood him if he had written in his journal:

Roses are red...
Violets are blue...
I'm schizophrenic...
And so am I...

[starling]

Originally posted by trich
The way I understand it .....the body was really not buried but like dumped in ditch...

http://gazettejournal.net/article_3174.shtml