Karla Homolka is released

[Angel~Eyes]

For those who were following the case. Here's the latest.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

[marabeth]

Poor Canada..She is so evil.

[Angel~Eyes]

Another link:

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=aa0df2d5-89a4-4f2f-9ff7-eebeea060a95

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by marabeth
Poor Canada..She is so evil.

Unbelievable she is hours away from freedom for her involvement in the crimes. Including, killing her own sister.:flamemad:

There are no words to explain the outrage here. She better not cross my path:flamemad:

The story in our paper this morning said there had been a number of threats against her and she is "living in fear". There is some justice in the world. I hope she feels that way every day for the rest of her life. She has been asking that the media not be told where she ends up living but so far the judges have turned down her request citing freedom of the press. Please Canada, keep track of this evil woman and let anyone who might come in contact with her know where she is. Evil is not a strong enough word for her.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by lisanm2
The story in our paper this morning said there had been a number of threats against her and she is "living in fear". There is some justice in the world. I hope she feels that way every day for the rest of her life. She has been asking that the media not be told where she ends up living but so far the judges have turned down her request citing freedom of the press. Please Canada, keep track of this evil woman and let anyone who might come in contact with her know where she is. Evil is not a strong enough word for her.

The media ban was rejected by the judge. Her evil face will be all over the papers and there is a website set up with people wanting her dead. I'll see if I can find the website.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120049679479_92?hub=topstories

[hockeymomof5]

In this (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/04/sex.killer.ap/index.html) article it says that she must "leave the prison by sundown". Reminds me of the old west movies where they tell the criminal to "get outta town by sundown".:rolleyes:

Her attorney says that she is "paralyzed with fear, completely panicked". Poor thing. Not even close to what she deserves!!! I pray she spends the rest of her life looking over her shoulder "paralyzed with fear". It could not even possibly come close to what she made her victims feel. Nor what her and Paul put this community through not knowing who left the parts of body in cement in Lake Gibson nor who took Kristen off the sidewalk in broad daylight as she walked home from school later to be found murdered.

I live in the community where Leslie's body was found. Lake Gibson is a very short walk from my home, my kids go fishing there though they will no longer go close to where her body was. I went on the search for Kristen. This case hits very close to home and I am sickened to think that she will walk free today....just sickened. May she rot in hell.

[Breezes]

They added only 2 years to her sentence for her complicity in the death of her own sister.

I would like to know where her parents are today, and what their feelings are...

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Unbelievable she is hours away from freedom for her involvement in the crimes. Including, killing her own sister.:flamemad:

There are no words to explain the outrage here. She better not cross my path:flamemad: And just what are you gonna do if she does?:shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Breezes
They added only 2 years to her sentence for her complicity in the death of her own sister.

I would like to know where her parents are today, and what their feelings are...

Her mom moved to Montreal to be with her and her dad is also supporting her.

Makes me sick!!:mad:

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


The media ban was rejected by the judge. Her evil face will be all over the papers and there is a website set up with people wanting her dead. I'll see if I can find the website.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120049679479_92?hub=topstories

They go into court again this morning to apply to have a ban put on the media covering her release from prison.

Tomorrow they are filing an appeal regarding the conditions put on her following her release.

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=b720808d-f6f6-4f12-96cd-449bca3407c0

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by conwayfan
And just what are you gonna do if she does?:shrug:

Sybil, you're just trying to bait me. I'm not going to play your games. I have better things to do than play multiple nics/personalties games with you.

I thought you were leaving the boards per your post on the game thread poll.:rolleyes:

[Victim's Cry]

Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

[keptkitty]

I DO hold the prosecutors responsible, and I hope this sadist of a woman's worst fears come true.

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

IIRC the prosecutors went easier on her in exchange for her testifying against her husband who was also involved in the crimes. At the time she was claiming she was a battered wife and only cooperated with him because she feared for her life and the lives of her family. After the plea bargain was made they found a homemade video tape that made it very clear she was a willing and enthusiastic participant, not a victim herself. It was too late to change the plea bargain they made with her. She played them big time and it sounds like she is still playing her parents. If she moved anywhere near me I would pack up and leave.

[Breezes]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

Oh, I think I understand. Poor little murderous Karla. It's those mean old bad old prosecutors (who were just doing their job) we're supposed to be angry at...

:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

There is a forum here on CTV with all the background details of this case. The plea bargain was made prior to the police finding videotapes of her involvement. When the plea was made it was to secure her husband got life in prison. Subsequently, they found tapes showing that she was involved in the murders as much as her evil husband but they were inadmissable (from what I understand) because it was after the fact. Therefore, she got away with murder.

I agree. My anger is towards the screwed up justice system we have here. A murderer is walking free after serving 12 years when she should be locked up in prison for the rest of her life.

[keptkitty]

I thought that since those tapes proved she was involved in these murders that her plea was void. It SHOULD have been. That plea was made under the pretense that she was a victim. Those tapes proved her wrong and that plea COULD have been jerked back, but it wasn't.

at least thats the way I see it.

[Angel~Eyes]

I can't believe none of the Canadian tv channels are covering this. I wish there we had an all news channels like CNN or MSNBC. Sheeeesh!

hockeymom, are you getting anything there? Nothing here in Montreal. CTV nor CBC is showing anything.:mad:

[deputydi]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
For those who were following the case. Here's the latest.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories
IMO this is a pathetic and dangerous miscarriage of justice. People in Canada -- BEWARE.

[Breezes]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Her mom moved to Montreal to be with her and her dad is also supporting her.

Makes me sick!!:mad:

Makes me sick, too! There was a case in Kansas City some years back where a young misfit of a woman who, along with 2 druggie boyfriends, beat and stabbed her beautiful 15-year-old sister, nearly decapitating her. And the parents stood by this daughter, who had been adopted, by the way. The murderess was adopted, and her sister was the only biological daughter of the parents. The adopted daughter had always been a misfit -- high school dropout, into drugs, etc. -- while the biological daughter was stunningly beautiful, and an honor roll student. The parents, who appeared to be upper-class, very intelligent and reasonable people, were interviewed on TV several times, stating how they would stand by their adopted daughter. I just don't get it.

[Sunshine@SC]

I believe Karla will kill again. Maybe next time she'll get what she deserved the first time.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by Breezes
Makes me sick, too! There was a case in Kansas City some years back where a young misfit of a woman who, along with 2 druggie boyfriends, beat and stabbed her beautiful 15-year-old sister, nearly decapitating her. And the parents stood by this daughter, who had been adopted, by the way. The murderess was adopted, and her sister was the only biological daughter of the parents. The adopted daughter had always been a misfit -- high school dropout, into drugs, etc. -- while the biological daughter was stunningly beautiful, and an honor roll student. The parents, who appeared to be upper-class, very intelligent and reasonable people, were interviewed on TV several times, stating how they would stand by their adopted daughter. I just don't get it.

No matter how henious the crime parents will almost always stand by their child. This was their child, adopted or not!

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC
I believe Karla will kill again. Maybe next time she'll get what she deserved the first time.

I pray she doesn't. I wouldn't want another innocent life taken away by this B. I hope she does something stupid like ignoring her release conditions and gets her butt back in prison.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


No matter how henious the crime parents will almost always stand by their child. This was their child, adopted or not!

I know parents who have NOT stood 'by' their children for far less crimes than this one.

You're right, though, adopted or not, it is their child.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Breezes


Makes me sick, too! There was a case in Kansas City some years back where a young misfit of a woman who, along with 2 druggie boyfriends, beat and stabbed her beautiful 15-year-old sister, nearly decapitating her. And the parents stood by this daughter, who had been adopted, by the way. The murderess was adopted, and her sister was the only biological daughter of the parents. The adopted daughter had always been a misfit -- high school dropout, into drugs, etc. -- while the biological daughter was stunningly beautiful, and an honor roll student. The parents, who appeared to be upper-class, very intelligent and reasonable people, were interviewed on TV several times, stating how they would stand by their adopted daughter. I just don't get it.

There's a case here where a 17 yo girl lied to her mother to get her in the garage so that her b/f could strangle her and then beat her and then the daughter choked her. They both wrapped her in a piece of carpet, put her in her BMW, with the daughter driving, and took her down by the lake and set her on fire.

The daughter then got dressed and went to work.

Her father stands by her side and is very angry at anyone who dare claims his little princess did this, he says the b/f MADE her do it. I don't understand that, either.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by keptkitty


I know parents who have NOT stood 'by' their children for far less crimes than this one.

You're right, though, adopted or not, it is their child.

I agree KK. I just can't imagine anything my children would do that would cause me to give up on them. And I've had my share of wanting to throw in the towel and give up.

I would never cover up for them - I would make them take responsibility no matter the consenquences. BUT, stop loving and supporting them - NEVER.

[ExArkie]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC
I believe Karla will kill again. Maybe next time she'll get what she deserved the first time.

Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


I agree KK. I just can't imagine anything my children would do that would cause me to give up on them. And I've had my share of wanting to throw in the towel and give up.

I would never cover up for them - I would make them take responsibility no matter the consenquences. BUT, stop loving and supporting them - NEVER.

I have 3 teenagers and I hope and pray they never put me in that position.

I know I will love my children no matter what....but I would not 'support' them IF they hurt someone. I would always let them know I love them, but I would sure let them know I don't support something that hurts someone else.

I've had my share of that towel thing too!

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

Texas has an express lane to the execution chamber. Maybe she should be deported to Texas.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


I agree KK. I just can't imagine anything my children would do that would cause me to give up on them. And I've had my share of wanting to throw in the towel and give up.

I would never cover up for them - I would make them take responsibility no matter the consenquences. BUT, stop loving and supporting them - NEVER.

I guess I'm not as forgiving. If one of my kids killed their brother or sister (my child), I would NOT support their murderous mind. JMO

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


I guess I'm not as forgiving. If one of my kids killed their brother or sister (my child), I would NOT support their murderous mind. JMO

I have to agree with this, too. I really don't even like thinking about it.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by ExArkie


Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

I wish they had DP here.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by keptkitty
I have 3 teenagers and I hope and pray they never put me in that position.

I know I will love my children no matter what....but I would not 'support' them IF they hurt someone. I would always let them know I love them, but I would sure let them know I don't support something that hurts someone else.

I've had my share of that towel thing too!

Just to clarify, my reference to "supporting" would be in the context of loving them and giving them guidance and emotional support in accepting the consequences of their actions.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


Just to clarify, my reference to "supporting" would be in the context of loving them and giving them guidance and emotional support in accepting the consequences of their actions.

I understand and that is the appropriate thing to do, IMO.

I can't imagine my children hurting anyone I dearly love...so when I think about it, it sure does bring on a mixed bag of emotions. I'm sure anger would be one of them.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


I wish they had DP here.

I wish we did ....That b will be free and that makes me soo angry. :flamemad:

[otenn]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

I just read Stephen Williams second book, Karla A Pact With the Devil . I was very surprised really, according to that book just how milquetoast the prosecutors were with this case.

It seemed to me, based on William's book, that they could have played hardball with her and revoked the deal AFTER the fact that she had in fact been the instrument of death in her sister's killing. Why didn't they go there? I don't know.

I think it is odd too, that they were so hell bent on portraying her as the battered spouse when the deal was going down, but as her statutory release date approached, her psychological evaluations suddently took an about faced turn and suddenly she was a psychopath... When it was convenient for the prosecutors, she was a victim of her husband, then when it became convenient for them, she was a psychopath.

This book really opened my eyes to how much a part the prosecutors played in ensuring this evil woman got out as early as she did. They jumped the gun on making the deal, and then had to ride out their own bad decisions after the fact, and forced the department of corrections to try to implement greater restraints on her than any other prisoner would get, to make up for their original bad deal.

Did you know she was never even convicted of a sex offence? She participated in the rape and murder of 3 people, willingly and with enjoyment, and the rape of at least 1 other person, and no sexual offender charge for her.

SICK.

I really had no idea of how ineptly this whole thing was handled until I just read this book. It makes me sad.

I don't have one bit of sympathy for this woman, but I sure don't have much respect for the prosecutors and investigators who jumped the gun either.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by keptkitty
I understand and that is the appropriate thing to do, IMO.

I can't imagine my children hurting anyone I dearly love...so when I think about it, it sure does bring on a mixed bag of emotions. I'm sure anger would be one of them.

I hope I never have to find out what I'd really do. It's always easier to think you know what you'll do until it happens. I'm sure there's a lot of emotions that would precede and go along with reaching the point of supporting the child and trying to help him/her find their way back.

[ExArkie]

Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


I hope I never have to find out what I'd really do. It's always easier to think you know what you'll do until it happens. I'm sure there's a lot of emotions that would precede and go along with reaching the point of supporting the child and trying to help him/her find their way back.


It is easy to assume how you would act and it's very confusing when I think about one of my kids harming someone I love.

I KNOW I have unconditional love for my children, but how I would handle the situation? I really can't say.:shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

From the link:
Restrictions

When Homolka leaves prison, a special court order under section 810 of the Criminal Code will regulate her conduct. For example, it will require her to stay away from her victims and to advise authorities of any travel plans.

If she violates the order, she could be sent back to prison for 24 months.

The order states she can't associate with anyone with a criminal record.

That means Homolka will have to end her relationship with Jean-Paul Gerbet, a French national serving a life term for murdering his girlfriend.

There will be some help for Homolka when she rejoins society. Her mother has reportedly moved to the Montreal area.

She can also count on some assistance from the Elizabeth Fry Society.

"For the public, the interest is in people not being at risk and the integration happening in a way that doesn't put people at risk," said the society's Kim Pate.

[sheldan]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

To my knowledge, with a criminal record, she is not able to cross the border. It is up to customs officers at the border to check ID. Lots of people do slip through, though.

[katie]

Originally posted by ExArkie


Not in Canada, she won't! Have to go to Texas or Florida for that!:flamemad:

Maybe we can drag out ol 'Sparky one more time for her, polish it up for her, none of this lethal injection crap.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by Lauriet


I wish we did ....That b will be free and that makes me soo angry. :flamemad:
She may be free from her cell in St. Anne de Plaines but she will never be free of the media and the public chasing her down to harass her. I hope she never gets a moments peace.
imo

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

She is on probation for a year, right? I think after that she can do what she wants.

I REALLY think she will end up in the US.

[katie]

Originally posted by sheldan


To my knowledge, with a criminal record, she is not able to cross the border. It is up to customs officers at the border to check ID. Lots of people do slip through, though.

Kind of like the guy who crossed the border with his bloody machete into New Hampshire I think? It was recent. They kept the machete and let him through.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by sheldan


To my knowledge, with a criminal record, she is not able to cross the border. It is up to customs officers at the border to check ID. Lots of people do slip through, though.

Yep and we all know that NO ONE EVER enters the US illegally right? :shrug:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

She may be free from her cell in St. Anne de Plaines but she will never be free of the media and the public chasing her down to harass her. I hope she never gets a moments peace.
imo

That's true FrankieBones. :seeya: I hope the same....

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by katie


Kind of like the guy who crossed the border with his bloody machete into New Hampshire I think? It was recent. They kept the machete and let him through.

And then he went on to murder several more people. So much for safe borders and common sense.

[cassidy]

Originally posted by Sunshine@SC


And then he went on to murder several more people. So much for safe borders and common sense.

We can't even keep track of the criminals here in the USA (note the Groene case). We'd never even know she was here until she killed someone :(

[Angel~Eyes]

Hmmmmmmmmm?

http://www.byebyekarla.com/

[katie]

Originally posted by cassidy


We can't even keep track of the criminals here in the USA (note the Groene case). We'd never even know she was here until she killed someone :(

Since she sexually assaulted a minor, it would be great if they could put an ankle bracelet on her-should she cross the border. It's awful tho, speaking of that-that there are people here who don't want ankle monitors because that violates the pedophiles privacy. :flamemad:

[cami]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been saying it for years. It's the Crown that I am angry with for not voiding her deal once the sexual assault on Jane Doe became known. Karla has served her time and whether we Canadians like it or not she is out. I'm betting she got out last week under the cover of darkness.

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by ExArkie
Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!:eek:

She will not be allowed to legally enter the US with the criminal conviction. However, that will not stop her from doing so. IF she attempted to cross the border and IF she is not questioned or asked for ID then she will freely be allowed entry into the country. Once she is identified, she will be turned back but she must first be identified. With the crowds of people entering the US from Canada every day, it will be very easy for Karla to enter, providing she is not identified.

Once in the country, it will be very easy for her to get "lost". Considering the danger that she was and IS, it would be in the best interest of the citizens especially those in border towns, for the media to highlight her release from prison AND the information regarding the crimes she committed.

[chilione]

What an injustice that this animal will be released today!:cuss:

Did anyone hear anything about the former friend of hers "Jane Doe" filing charges against Karla once she is released? It would be wonderful if she could have her arrested the moment she was released.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


She will not be allowed to legally enter the US with the criminal conviction. However, that will not stop her from doing so. IF she attempted to cross the border and IF she is not questioned or asked for ID then she will freely be allowed entry into the country. Once she is identified, she will be turned back but she must first be identified. With the crowds of people entering the US from Canada every day, it will be very easy for Karla to enter, providing she is not identified.

Once in the country, it will be very easy for her to get "lost". Considering the danger that she was and IS, it would be in the best interest of the citizens especially those in border towns, for the media to highlight her release from prison AND the information regarding the crimes she committed.

The frightening thing is if she changed her appearance and name, she might have easier access than we might think. I know for a fact when crossing the border (by vehicle), they don't always ask for ID.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Hmmmmmmmmm?

http://www.byebyekarla.com/

poor poor Karla, she feels unsafe...:rolleyes: <sarcasm >

So the Canadian coalition against death penalty defends her? :rolleyes: well the purchased the byebyekarla.com domain to protect her?

She's a sick POS....

[cami]

Curious about something - can this horrible woman cross the border to the US legally, now that they have let her out? She is not so well known here in the US and it might appeal to her because of that. I certainly hope not - you keep her up there! I have lots of (retired) Canadian neighbors and they don't want her either!

No, she'd have to go in as a visitor/tourist and then stay illegally. The Canadian government would be obliged to inform any country that she tries to enter of her criminal background.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Lauriet


poor poor Karla, she feels unsafe...:rolleyes: <sarcasm >

So the Canadian coalition against death penalty defends her? :rolleyes: well the purchased the byebyekarla.com domain to protect her?

She's a sick POS....

Hi Lauriet,

Nice seeing you again, mon amie!

That's just one of the websites but I'm sure there are plenty more with death threats. Too bad they shut that one down before I could place my bet;)

Hugs,

May

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by cami
No, she'd have to go in as a visitor/tourist and then stay illegally. The Canadian government would be obliged to inform any country that she tries to enter of her criminal background.

The information is in a computer database. IF she were asked to present ID and she in fact presented "legal" ID it would show that she has a criminal record. However, this will not stop her from doing so illegally.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Hi Lauriet,

Nice seeing you again, mon amie!

That's just one of the websites but I'm sure there are plenty more with death threats. Too bad they shut that one down before I could place my bet;)

Hugs,

May

Hiya May, you have a cute new dress :-P

It's good to see you again, yeah that's too bad, I wish I could have place my bet. ;) But some thing can't be escaped like karma, poor Karla....


Hugs back to you!:rose:

[MochasMom]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

Wasn't the problem that they didn't know about those horrible tapes in which it shows her participation in the crimes until after they already made the deal, etc? Wasn't this found in the attic of the house and her lawyer had it? (Trying to remember from far back). This was not turned over to the prosecutors until it was too late, from what I remember.

MHO

[Victim's Cry]

Originally posted by cami


thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been saying it for years. It's the Crown that I am angry with for not voiding her deal once the sexual assault on Jane Doe became known. Karla has served her time and whether we Canadians like it or not she is out. I'm betting she got out last week under the cover of darkness.

Exactly. And in the canadian justice system there is a bent on rehabilitation so I just hope that it has happened. I also think that without bernardo, she would have lived her life as a normal person I have no clues what pressures he put under her to get her to comply, but even in the videos, if she was truly afraid for her life or families (considering it was bernardo who killed the sister), I can even stretch and say it was still forced. Excusable? No. Thats why I am glad the battered wife syndrome didnt fly as such, but that doesnt take away from the fact that she was married to a monster who did beat her and commit horrific crimes, getting her to join in. Accountability was necessary, but i dont think she is nearly as dangerous as many assume.

I am not happy at the 12 years, but its done, and now we should all hope she gets her life in order and can live a productive one. People who try and stop her working or living will only ensure that she doesnt, and then a crime may well occur.

Lets see how it works out. If she can live and work and keep to the rules, and stay out of trouble then I much prefer that to any other scenario.

imo

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
For those who were following the case. Here's the latest.

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories



Oh yeah. I know this case. She and her husband tortured and killed a bunch of girls including her sister. For a Christmas present she let him rape her. I know, she has no right getting out. It totally blows and is NOT even fair.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by lashes




Oh yeah. I know this case. She and her husband tortured and killed a bunch of girls including her sister. For a Christmas present she let him rape her. I know, she has no right getting out. It totally blows and is NOT even fair.

Yup. What a Christmas present, eh?:flamemad:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by MochasMom


Wasn't the problem that they didn't know about those horrible tapes in which it shows her participation in the crimes until after they already made the deal, etc? Wasn't this found in the attic of the house and her lawyer had it? (Trying to remember from far back). This was not turned over to the prosecutors until it was too late, from what I remember.

MHO

Correct. The tapes were discovered after the plea bargain deal was made, therefore giving her only 12 year sentence. And now she is due to be released. Sick Sick Sick!

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry


Exactly. And in the canadian justice system there is a bent on rehabilitation so I just hope that it has happened. I also think that without bernardo, she would have lived her life as a normal person I have no clues what pressures he put under her to get her to comply, but even in the videos, if she was truly afraid for her life or families (considering it was bernardo who killed the sister), I can even stretch and say it was still forced. Excusable? No. Thats why I am glad the battered wife syndrome didnt fly as such, but that doesnt take away from the fact that she was married to a monster who did beat her and commit horrific crimes, getting her to join in. Accountability was necessary, but i dont think she is nearly as dangerous as many assume.

I am not happy at the 12 years, but its done, and now we should all hope she gets her life in order and can live a productive one. People who try and stop her working or living will only ensure that she doesnt, and then a crime may well occur.

Lets see how it works out. If she can live and work and keep to the rules, and stay out of trouble then I much prefer that to any other scenario.

imo

I wish I could be just as optimistic about getting her life in order. Unfortunately, my gut tells me she will do this again.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


There is a forum here on CTV with all the background details of this case. The plea bargain was made prior to the police finding videotapes of her involvement. When the plea was made it was to secure her husband got life in prison. Subsequently, they found tapes showing that she was involved in the murders as much as her evil husband but they were inadmissable (from what I understand) because it was after the fact. Therefore, she got away with murder.

I agree. My anger is towards the screwed up justice system we have here. A murderer is walking free after serving 12 years when she should be locked up in prison for the rest of her life.

25 years is the maximum sentence she could have gotten for 100 murders. She probably would have been out in 4 years anyway on mandatory release. All this over-the-top outrage is so mindless IMO.

[otenn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Correct. The tapes were discovered after the plea bargain deal was made, therefore giving her only 12 year sentence. And now she is due to be released. Sick Sick Sick!

But from what I read recently, the fact that she was instrumental in her sister's death...as in the force that stopped her sister's breath (by applying the halothane soaked rag to her mouth to keep her unconscious) was enough to break the deal on ALL the charges.

Apparently, the deal only applied if she was found NOT to have actually stopped the breath of any of the victims.

When they exhumed and reexamined her sister's body, the "accidental" death ruling was changed to homicide, and she was the one who caused the death, but they STILL did not revoke the deal when they could have right then and there on those grounds.

The deal was already done at this point, but they didn't want to revoke the deal, even though they had the evidence they needed to do so.

[Sunshine@SC]

Originally posted by katie
Since she sexually assaulted a minor, it would be great if they could put an ankle bracelet on her-should she cross the border. It's awful tho, speaking of that-that there are people here who don't want ankle monitors because that violates the pedophiles privacy. :flamemad:

I agree Katie. It's that common sense thing again. We already know that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated so why let them out. And, if we do there should be constant monitoring of their whereabouts, hence the ankle bracelet. Common Sense.

However, nobody has ever accused the government of using common sense.

[TOOLS]

Too bad Canuckia doesn't have the death penalty.
This one clearly needs killing.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


25 years is the maximum sentence she could have gotten for 100 murders. She probably would have been out in 4 years anyway on mandatory release. All this over-the-top outrage is so mindless IMO.

From what I understand, Paul Bernardo got LWOP. She should have received the same, IMO

As far as your "over-the-top" outrage as being mindless, I hope none of your family members have to go through what these victims had to endure.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by lg01

Considering the hideous nature of her crime, I fail to see how you can consider the outrage "mindless". This so-called woman should have never seen the light of day.

I realize the absolute validity of everybody's fury and horror at the loss of Tammy, Leslie and Kristen - all innocent lives.

However, I think any dispassionate viewing of the facts (and a dispassionate viewing is required in our justice system) tells any reasonable person that Karla is extremely unlikely to reoffend, that Karla would not have participated in these crimes absent the influence of Bernardo, that the psychological, sexual, physcial and mental abuse she experienced at the hands of Bernardo was properly used as a mitigating factor in her sentencing for these crimes for which she is clearly culpable.

Was 12 years enough? Probably not. However, neither is she an evil, souless psychopath that should strike fear into every North American heart. There is so much back story that most posters here clearly don't know - and what bugs me - don't care to know.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


From what I understand, Paul Bernardo got LWOP. She should have received the same, IMO

As far as your "over-the-top" outrage as being mindless, I hope none of your family members have to go through what these victims had to endure.

We don't have LWOP. We have a max sentence of 25 years no matter what you do - unless the province can get you declared a "dangerous offender" (very tough to do) then they can keep you until they don't feel like keeping you anymore. Karla would never, ever have successfully been declared a dangerous offender IMO. Note they haven't tried to either.

You have to separate the admistration of justice from the victims. The system builds in objectivity for a reason.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I realize the absolute validity of everybody's fury and horror at the loss of Tammy, Leslie and Kristen - all innocent lives.

However, I think any dispassionate viewing of the facts (and a dispassionate viewing is required in our justice system) tells any reasonable person that Karla is extremely unlikely to reoffend, that Karla would not have participated in these crimes absent the influence of Bernardo, that the psychological, sexual, physcial and mental abuse she experienced at the hands of Bernardo was properly used as a mitigating factor in her sentencing for these crimes for which she is clearly culpable.

Was 12 years enough? Probably not. However, neither is she an evil, souless psychopath that should strike fear into every North American heart. There is so much back story that most posters here clearly don't know - and what bugs me - don't care to know.

I believe she is most likely to offend again, and alot of experts tend to agree with me.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


We don't have LWOP. We have a max sentence of 25 years no matter what you do - unless the province can get you declared a "dangerous offender" (very tough to do) then they can keep you until they don't feel like keeping you anymore. Karla would never, ever have successfully been declared a dangerous offender IMO. Note they haven't tried to either.

Wow...25 years? I didn't know that..

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by keptkitty


I believe she is most likely to offend again, and alot of experts tend to agree with me.

Stephen Williams, who wrote two extremely unflattering books about her, said he doesn't believe she will reoffend.
Many experts tend to agree with him too. There is no way to know, and we will just have to see. I think it is far more likely that she will reoffend if all this mindless mob justice drives her out of polite society.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


The information is in a computer database. IF she were asked to present ID and she in fact presented "legal" ID it would show that she has a criminal record. However, this will not stop her from doing so illegally.
I've been tuned into CBC News World all morning. They say she can leave the country for 48 hours but must report if she will be out of the country for more than those 48 hours.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Stephen Williams, who wrote two extremely unflattering books about her, said he doesn't believe she will reoffend.
Many experts tend to agree with him too. There is no way to know, and we will just have to see. I think it is far more likely that she will reoffend if all this mindless mob justice drives her out of polite society.
I can't see her reoffending with the media and public on her back. Hope they keep it up for years to come.
moo

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Stephen Williams, who wrote two extremely unflattering books about her, said he doesn't believe she will reoffend.
Many experts tend to agree with him too. There is no way to know, and we will just have to see. I think it is far more likely that she will reoffend if all this mindless mob justice drives her out of polite society.


Mindless mob justice? Okay...

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by keptkitty


Wow...25 years? I didn't know that..

Yes. If you get 10 life sentences for 10 murders you serve 10 25 year sentences - concurrently, at the same time. In reality though, someone like that would be declared a dangerous offender and the system would hang on to them.

[keptkitty]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Yes. If you get 10 life sentences for 10 murders you serve 10 25 year sentences - concurrently, at the same time. In reality though, someone like that would be declared a dangerous offender and the system would hang on to them.

Well, Thanx for informing me of that, I had no idea.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by keptkitty



Mindless mob justice? Okay...

I know this is not a popular opinion - but it IS mindless mob justice. I'm here in the thick of things and it is mindless. People with little or no information beyond the headlines and editorials are just jumping on the bandwagon with little thought. The admistration of justice in our society requires a greater level of objectivity and reason.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by lg01

You have got to be kidding me.
If she is not a dangerous offender, then who the hell is?

Well, that should tell you something about what you might NOT know about this case. I don't mean that with any disrespect.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by lg01

Have to wait and see? Nice!
So, basically, lets just wait and see if she murders any more young girls.

Well, do keep her in Canada, cause we already got plenty of pedophiles runnig free here in US
:rolleyes:

Just throwin' you a bone - people with the courage to state what I think is the obvious conclusion - that she won't reoffend - in the face of all this mind numbing hysteria have already done so.

[TOOLS]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Just throwin' you a bone - people with the courage to state what I think is the obvious conclusion - that she won't reoffend - in the face of all this mind numbing hysteria have already done so.

I went to the original forum about this and read all your
karla/victim of the man's manipulation apologies.

It seems that my pc should have a flush handle like my toilet to get rid of the crap.

You're so totally outnumbered by those who haven't fallen for it that, this could be on Comedy Central.:shrug:

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by lg01

Have to wait and see? Nice!
So, basically, lets just wait and see if she murders any more young girls.

Well, do keep her in Canada, cause we already got plenty of pedophiles runnig free here in US
:rolleyes:
No country is perfect. I was just made aware of Shasta's abductor. He raped a boy at gunpoint. How was he able to be out on the streets?
If Karla ever escapes to the USA, hopefully the media and public will keep their eye on her. If memory serves me right, the USA knew more about the case than we in Canada. There was a media ban on the case for the entirety of the trial.
imo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by TOOLS


I went to the original forum about this and read all your
karla/victim of the man's manipulation apologies.

It seems that my pc should have a flush handle like my toilet to get rid of the crap.

You're so totally outnumbered by those who haven't fallen for it that, this could be on Comedy Central.:shrug:
Does she think that Karla was a victim of Paul's? Wonder if she is a Scott Peterson supporter as well.
moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by keptkitty



Mindless mob justice? Okay...
Hi, Kitty. It's far from mindless, in my opinion.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by TOOLS


I went to the original forum about this and read all your
karla/victim of the man's manipulation apologies.

It seems that my pc should have a flush handle like my toilet to get rid of the crap.

You're so totally outnumbered by those who haven't fallen for it that, this could be on Comedy Central.:shrug:

Then I guess you saw this:

She is a victim of Paul Bernardo's mental, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and I consider that to be extremely evident from the body of evidence. The fact that almost everybody takes a leap to think that anybody who believes this is excusing her crimes or implying that what she did was not voluntary is beyond my control.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by lg01

Did I say US was perfect? I said we got too many pedophiles running free as it is, so do keep Karla in Canada.
And I don't want her in Canada.
:)

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Then I guess you saw this:

She is a victim of Paul Bernardo's mental, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and I consider that to be extremely evident from the body of evidence. The fact that almost everybody takes a leap to think that anybody who believes this is excusing her crimes or implying that what she did was not voluntary is beyond my control.
Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo

That's the kind of mindless **** I'm referring to. Thanks.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo

I totally agree with you Frankie. She is far from being a victim of abuse and those videotapes were proof of her involvement and enjoyment of seeing these victims suffer. Her whole victim/abuse allegations were a scam and hoax so she could a get out of jail for free card. Unfortunately, she did after 12 measly years.

Her butt should be back in prison where it belongs not on our streets.

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Karla had every opportunity to escape Paul. I think she enjoyed everything that was dished out to her.
moo And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

GIRLFRIENDS

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )


Yup her buddies:rolleyes:

BOYFRIENDS

Jean-Paul Gerbet is shown in this undated photo. Gerbet, Karla Homolka's jailhouse boyfriend, took the time to tidy up the house after strangling his ex-girlfriend. He then put Cathy Carretta's body in the trunk of a car, all his movements so seamless that her father didn't immediately notice anything at the home he shared with his daughter.

http://ourmedia.org/node/20774

Yeah, she still under Paul's influence, my A**. :rolleyes:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by lg01

It won't be long before she teams up with another such.
But I guess she is not bad enough to be delcared a dangerous offender. She must prove herself first by killing some more young girls, I guess.

Sad but true.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


I totally agree with you Frankie. She is far from being a victim of abuse and those videotapes were proof of her involvement and enjoyment of seeing these victims suffer. Her whole victim/abuse allegations were a scam and hoax so she could a get out of jail for free card. Unfortunately, she did after 12 measly years.

Her butt should be back in prison where it belongs not on our streets.

You know little about this case, and less about human nature IMO. She was mind blowingly self absorbed, virtually without character and cowardly - all to the point of criminality. But she WAS insidiously and cruelly abused. Without question.

And there is absolutely no indication that she enjoyed the suffering of these victims. NONE. She does not laugh or egg Paul on or act violently towards the victims during their assaults at any time. At least once she was captured on tape wincing and turning away as Kristen was being brutalized by Paul.

This was ALL about Paul's need for domination and power over his victims and her inexplicable need to please him and more inexplicable willingness to protect herself at the expense of the lives of others. He couldn't even achieve an erection without being called "King" over and over and would beat the girls (including Karla) when he could not perform. Karla's role in the tapes was to play submissive roles along with the victims for Paul's sexual and emotional pleasure. Those are facts.

Comprehensive site with facts and pictures from her early childhood through today:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Karla-Homolka

[coolmomof4]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

GIRLFRIENDS

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )

Okay I know next to nothing of the Canadian prison system, but am I the only one who thinks it's weird that these girls are in this "institution" and all dressed up with makeup and black dresses partying it up? Even the one of her "relaxing" in her room at the institution is very strange. She's wearing jewelry, makeup etc? She looks like she's lounging in her college dorm room.:shrug:

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
BOYFRIENDS

Jean-Paul Gerbet is shown in this undated photo. Gerbet, Karla Homolka's jailhouse boyfriend, took the time to tidy up the house after strangling his ex-girlfriend. He then put Cathy Carretta's body in the trunk of a car, all his movements so seamless that her father didn't immediately notice anything at the home he shared with his daughter.

http://ourmedia.org/node/20774

Yeah, she still under Paul's influence, my A**. :rolleyes:

Stupid, stupid, stupid on her part. But really, who is she going to meet in maximum security? I think this is over emphasized - and the assumption that what she was attracted to was his crime is without any evidence.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Stupid, stupid, stupid on her part. But really, who is she going to meet in maximum security? I think this is over emphasized - and the assumption that what she was attracted to was his crime is without any evidence.
I think she enjoyed the abuse by Paul and got a sexual kick from the murders.
moo

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by rhiannon~1


It's not just the Canadian system. I saw a documentary of one in the states where a convicted killer was taking hormones to the point he had developed large breasts- he and his cocaine stoned husband were yukking it up in the same cell for the cameras. I wish I could think of the name.....

That was Richard Speck.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
And in her 12 years of being free from Paul, she still consistently seeks out violent offenders to hang with:

GIRLFRIENDS

The three -- Karla Homolka, 29, Canada's most infamous female convict, and Tracy Gonzales, 22, and Christina Sherry, 22, sentenced to prison for their role in a Montreal rape and torture case are together in a photograph taken at a birthday party in the Joliette Institution, 70 kilometres northeast of Montreal.

Sherry and Gonzales, the other women in the photos, were sentenced to serve five years and eight years respectively for their role in the forcible confinement and rape of teenage girls in Montreal.

In 1995 and 1996, Sherry and Gonzales lured girls to a Montreal apartment where they were tortured, sexually assaulted and forced to be sex slaves to James Medley, 41, who was convicted of the crimes, received a 26-year sentence, and was declared a dangerous offender."

http://www.truecrime.net/karla/

(includes photos of the prison party girls )
All of this proves that she wasn't rehabilitated in jail. She may be more hardened now than ever before. My only hope is that she gets picked up on a shoplifting charge and gets sent back to the slammer.
moo

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

I think she enjoyed the abuse by Paul and got a sexual kick from the murders.
moo

Okay, but you think that just because you think that. Not because there is any evidence of it. To the contrary.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


You know little about this case, and less about human nature IMO. She was mind blowingly self absorbed, virtually without character and cowardly - all to the point of criminality. But she WAS insidiously and cruelly abused. Without question.

And there is absolutely no indication that she enjoyed the suffering of these victims. NONE. She does not laugh or egg Paul on or act violently towards the victims during their assaults at any time. At least once she was captured on tape wincing and turning away as Kristen was being brutalized by Paul.

This was ALL about Paul's need for domination and power over his victims and her inexplicable need to please him and more inexplicable willingness to protect herself at the expense of the lives of others. He couldn't even achieve an erection without being called "King" over and over and would beat the girls (including Karla) when he could not perform. Karla's role in the tapes was to play submissive roles along with the victims for Paul's sexual and emotional pleasure. Those are facts.

The facts:

She voluntarily assisted in the rape and torture of the victims.
There were plenty of occasions where she could have called the police and report him. She DID NOT.
She gave her sister as a Xmas gift to Paul. Her own sister.

You're right about one thing. I probably haven't followed this case closely as some of the other posters but I know enough to post my opinions of the facts as I know them. I have seen the video where she claims to have been a victim of abuse. BULLSH!T!!

If you are an expert in human nature, I am the Prime Minister of Canada.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

All of this proves that she wasn't rehabilitated in jail. She may be more hardened now than ever before. My only hope is that she gets picked up on a shoplifting charge and gets sent back to the slammer.
moo

All this proves is that there are bad people in jail. Did you think she'd talk to no one for 12 years?

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by coolmomof4


Okay I know next to nothing of the Canadian prison system, but am I the only one who thinks it's weird that these girls are in this "institution" and all dressed up with makeup and black dresses partying it up? Even the one of her "relaxing" in her room at the institution is very strange. She's wearing jewelry, makeup etc? She looks like she's lounging in her college dorm room.:shrug:
Even when the Kingston Penitentary for Women was still opened, the women were permitted makeup and visits from hairdressers.
I hope they show the old prison specials in the states sometime. Eye openers, they are.
moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by oz_the_catt


IMO, of course, you're making excuses for her.
In the same fashion that she made excuses for Scott Peterson.
moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


All this proves is that there are bad people in jail. Did you think she'd talk to no one for 12 years?
She had the right and every opportunity to correspond with law abiding citizens in those twelve years. She chose to align herself with dirt.
moo

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

In the same fashion that she made excuses for Scott Peterson.
moo

hmmm interesting. Did she go by another nic on the Peterson case? I don't think I've posted with her before.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by rhiannon~1



Thanks northern!

You saw it too? Wasn't that gross? :(

TOTALLY. Prison life is a whole other world. No wonder so few come out able to take a place in normal society.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


hmmm interesting. Did she go by another nic on the Peterson case? I don't think I've posted with her before.

No, same nic I've always had. Thought Peterson was guilty.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

She had the right and every opportunity to correspond with law abiding citizens in those twelve years. She chose to align herself with dirt.
moo

Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


No, same nic I've always had. Thought Peterson was guilty.
Well, then I stand corrected. Must have had you mixed up with one of those NGs.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.
So she corresonded with family. The same mom that moved to Montreal to be closer to her? The same mom who lost a daughter because of Karla and Paul....She's an enabler. Not quite the law abiding citizen I was thinking about.
moo

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.

Maybe she should go live with you. You obviously care enough for her to forgive her for what she's done to those 3 innocent girls. The 2 of you can have dress up and make up parties.

I, unfortunately, am sad this day is here and cannot imagine what the parents of Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy must be feeling. My heart goes out to them.

Hockeymom, I borrowed this from your thread and hope you don't mind that I'm posting it here since the other board is closed.

These are the real victims:

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=229765

:rose:

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Her mom moved to Montreal to be with her and her dad is also supporting her.

Makes me sick!!:mad:

I didn't follow this case, but now I know where an episode of Law and Order came from. And yes in that episode, the parents supported her.

Originally posted by rhiannon~1


...

It's comments like this on the internet that play right into the hands of her lawyers. :no:

[watcher2005]

There has got to be something in between letting this crazy woman loose and putting a guy who held a girls arm while yelling at her for running into traffic on a sex offender list for life (see the other thread.)


Back in my day, we called it justice. But the "j" word has been corrupted into something other than justice. The bible speaks of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. That means proportion, not craziness. Not and eye for a fingernail clipping. And not a fingershaking for a killing.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
Originally posted by rhiannon~1


...

It's comments like this on the internet that play right into the hands of her lawyers. :no:

Ever feel like you don't get the punchlines sometimes at parties?

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by watcher2005
There has got to be something in between letting this crazy woman loose and putting a guy who held a girls arm while balling her out for running into traffic on a sex offender list for life (see the other thread.)


Back in my day, we called it justice. But the "j" word has been corrupted into something other than justice. The bible speaks of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. That means proportion, not craziness. Not and eye for a fingernail clipping. And not a fingershaking for a killing.

Believe it or not, were arguing for the same thing Watcher. Proportion.

[watcher2005]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Believe it or not, were arguing for the same thing Watcher. Proportion.

I'm for that. Maybe it will catch on.

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Ever feel like you don't get the punchlines sometimes at parties? Never. But thanks for asking. It doesn't matter whether she said it sarcastically or not. Karla's lawyers used, for one, www.byebyekarla.com in their arguments for the media ban.

I just don't think we need to make their job any easier.

[shells]

I am so unbelievably disgusted that this wretch of a woman is getting out. She is smart - really smart, and obtained a masters degree in psychology while she was in prison (not a good thing for someone as coniving as her IMO) She has manipulated the LE and the judicial system from the get go and I am so happy that the judges are not ruling in her favor now for privacy! Finally someone is putting an end to this shananagan!

The only solace I think we can all have is that she will most likely NEVER get a job anywhere, and will spend the rest of her days being taunted and living in fear........

I bet she felt safer in prison!

[uplate]

Originally posted by northernrflxn
Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka. Yes, I do think she's without humanity. She's a pariah, a predator and a self-absorbed narcissist. She's an actress--only publicly 'acts' out what she thinks is the appropriate response for a situation since she is devoid of feelings for anyone/thing other than herself. Can you imagine drugging your innocent little sister so your depraved sick excuse for a FIANCE can have sex with a virgin?? And then your sister dies as a result, and then you STILL marry the guy (did she learn anything from what happened? NO!), and later you express annoyment bec your parents had to spend THEIR $$ burying the sister YOU secretly killed, $$ that you feel should have gone towards your wedding/honeymoon???

Then you CONTINUE on a KILLING spree with your husband, kidnapping chicks HE fancied so you cd BOTH have sex with them, and kill them when you're done. Detach and discard in true narcissistic form. The video tape should wipe out any doubt in anyone's mind that you enjoyed what you were doing.

My friend lives in Valleyfield Montreal and everyone is on high alert. They've been following you during your short tenure in prison. They know about your active prison sex life. They know about the books you like to read---gruesome true murder books--does it turn you on, help you relive the murders you participated in? What a waste. Instead of remorse, you show an active compulsion towards torture, degradation and murder. You are like a dog who has tasted blood and should be put down. Your gravitation towards another murderer in prison tells me you're comfortable with this. He killed his girlfriend? Hopefully you'll meet someone just like him on the outside. Actually, you disgust me more than Peterson. Your random acts of violence, rape and murder make you a menace to society. :flamemad: moo

[shells]

Originally posted by oz_the_catt


Awwww she lives her life in fear. TB!! I feel NO sympathy and I feel NO empathy for her. I hope she DOES live her life in fear. Maybe it'll be a constant reminder to her of those victims that no longer live at all.

I hope you werent implying that I felt sorry for her.... cuz i sure as he** dont....

[Angel~Eyes]

2:58 pm UPDATE She's free:flamemad:

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

Originally posted by oz_the_catt


Awwww she lives her life in fear. TB!! I feel NO sympathy and I feel NO empathy for her. I hope she DOES live her life in fear. Maybe it'll be a constant reminder to her of those victims that no longer live at all. Poetic justice for her laying on her bed casually reading a magazine instead of picking up a G*D DAMN PHONE while one of their victims screamed in agony at Paul's hands.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
2:58 pm UPDATE She's free:flamemad:

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

:flamemad:

[shells]

Originally posted by oz_the_catt



Ohh no, shells! I was just ridin' on yer coat tail!!!:seeya:

Phew!! LOL

Originally posted by Nightwalker
Karla Homolka went through the judicial system, did what she was supposed to do as part of the process, served her time, and now is due to be set free. What is everyone's problem with this?

If you think that she should have done more time, then where were you when she was plea-bargaining? (The only way to get her husband, the prosecutors thought, was her testimony. Only later did the videotapes surface from his ex-attorney, but by then, the deal had already been struck).

What about the US case where the man and his ex-girlfriend tortured and murdered his current girlfriend, and he was acquitted, but later found to have committed the crime, complete with newly found pictures, and yet due to double jeopardy, he cannot stand trial for that crime again, ever?

Justice is not always served perfectly, but it is the best that we have. In this case, she will be hounded for the rest of her life, and will always be afraid of murder herself. Her life will be a living hell. I think that the universe has a strange but powerful way of keeping itself on track. I don't disagree with you at all, but I don't think she should be "protected" from the press either.

One minor correction to your post where you say she "did what she was supposed to do as part of the process". One condition of her deal was that she be open about any other crime, yet she neglected to tell them about Jane Doe.

[shells]

Funny.... I just read the report posted about her being released (thanks Lauriet....bad news, but still - News) and a statement caught my eye.

It says the spotlight is firmly on her. I wonder if she started this media circus, this huge Karla is getting free and needs protection charade, ONLY to draw attention to her - hoping that networks will vie ( read: fight with huge payoffs) for the interviews.....

She knows she isnt going to be getting a job with anyone - maybe this is her intent. To say " I want privacy, Leave me alone" to raise the bidding price on a national interview....

SICK COW is still manipulating!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

I think she enjoyed the abuse by Paul and got a sexual kick from the murders.
moo

I think the same, she's a sick pervert...

~IMO~

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by shells
Funny.... I just read the report posted about her being released (thanks Lauriet....bad news, but still - News) and a statement caught my eye.

It says the spotlight is firmly on her. I wonder if she started this media circus, this huge Karla is getting free and needs protection charade, ONLY to draw attention to her - hoping that networks will vie ( read: fight with huge payoffs) for the interviews.....

She knows she isnt going to be getting a job with anyone - maybe this is her intent. To say " I want privacy, Leave me alone" to raise the bidding price on a national interview....

SICK COW is still manipulating!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am hoping that no network will offer that sick POS any money... :cuss:

She's in Quebec right now, free, such a sick b****!

and shells, it's our dear May that posted the news...:)

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by uplate
Yes, I do think she's without humanity. She's a pariah, a predator and a self-absorbed narcissist. She's an actress--only publicly 'acts' out what she thinks is the appropriate response for a situation since she is devoid of feelings for anyone/thing other than herself.
<snip>


Think about what you wrote from this perspective: she knows the public wants remorse and contrition, and yet steadfastly insists that she is a victim of Bernardo. She could have "worked" the system and the public infinitely better on this - we know she is manipulative - and yet she hasn't. I belive this is not arrogance, but a geniune (but erroneous, IMO) belief that she was a victim that had little other choice. She was there, and this steadfast belief comes from something she lived directly. While it is clear to all of us that she did have free will, I think her own beliefs .

My friend lives in Valleyfield Montreal and everyone is on high alert. They've been following you during your short tenure in prison. They know about your active prison sex life. They know about the books you like to read---gruesome true murder books--does it turn you on, help you relive the murders you participated in? What a waste. Instead of remorse, you show an active compulsion towards torture, degradation and murder. You are like a dog who has tasted blood and should be put down. Your gravitation towards another murderer in prison tells me you're comfortable with this. He killed his girlfriend? Hopefully you'll meet someone just like him on the outside. Actually, you disgust me more than Peterson. Your random acts of violence, rape and murder make you a menace to society. :flamemad: moo

Virtually everybody in prison has a sex life. So what. In "Karla: A Pact With the Devil" she talks about the fact that she read a true crime novel for every 10 "other" books she read, and that no matter what she does people will "pick out the bad in a sea of good". I read true crime- including all four major works on this case. We are posting on CourtTV. We probably all read true crime. But with Karla it becomes "does it turn you on, help you relive the murders you participated in?....Instead of remorse, you show an active compulsion towards torture, degradation and murder. You are like a dog who has tasted blood and should be put down." Put a statement like this in some context, and call it what it is: a self indulgent orgy of prose that just doesn't hold up.

[shells]

Originally posted by Lauriet


I am hoping that no network will offer that sick POS any money... :cuss:

She's in Quebec right now, free, such a sick b****!

and shells, it's our dear May that posted the news...:)

OOPS!! Sorry May.........


I think we all need to act now, and fast and start emailing all of the major networks and tell them that if they do in fact have Karla TEALE/Holmoka on thier shows and she is financially compensated that we will boycott thier stations.

"She will also be prohibited from communicating with anyone who has a criminal record. That includes convicted murderer Jean-Paul Gerbet, with whom she had reportedly been romantically involved while incarcerated.

Ms. Homolka is appealing that ruling. A hearing on that matter has been scheduled for Tuesday."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050704.whom0704/BNStory/National/

Hmmm now that she's free to associate with GOOD people, she fights for the RIGHT to associate with criminals? :rolleyes:

[chilione]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


Oh for **** sake - law abiding citizens like WHO? Like all the sanctimonious people on this board who think she's the scum of the earth? Lower than dirt? Without humanity? Think about what you are saying.

And she did correspond with family, and tried to correspond with old friends. She corresponded with Stephen Williams - a man who ultimately betrayed her for his own gain. Probably something her prison buddies never did.

She's human. That is my only point. She did terrible, unforgivable, criminal things- but to ascribe these acts to motives much different than what drives all of is wrong. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this 2 dimensional cutout you all love to hate bears little resemblance to the real Karla Homolka.

She is scum of of the earth, lower than dirt and without humanity! If she isn't then who is?:rolleyes:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by shells


OOPS!! Sorry May.........


I think we all need to act now, and fast and start emailing all of the major networks and tell them that if they do in fact have Karla TEALE/Holmoka on thier shows and she is financially compensated that we will boycott thier stations.

It's a good idea shells , It would sickens me if Karla Teale/homolka was getting a penny for her crimes...:mad:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by chilione


She is scum of of the earth, lower than dirt and without humanity! If she isn't then who is?:rolleyes:

I agree, some people wants to find excuse to these POS...

[Angel~Eyes]

CBC showing an update now. She left in a red vehicle escorted by police. Tinted windows on vehicle.

Originally posted by Nightwalker


Sorry if I missed a detail.

I read this report - the most comprehensive one that I could find - and that must have been one of the points that I missed:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html?sect=5

However, it still doesn't change anything, I don't think, because if she failed to satisfy her condition of plea, why wasn't she charged by the prosecutors? On the eve of her testimony against Paul Bernardo, she all of a sudden "remembered" the Jane Doe incidents.

I'll try to find a link for you.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
CBC showing an update now. She left in a red vehicle escorted by police. Tinted windows on vehicle.

Geez, she needs the police to protect her now....:rolleyes:

I read somewhere that she now speaks perfect french huh?

Did they say where she was going?

[Angel~Eyes]

Vehicle on route to Montreal. It seems that she will not be moving to the NDG area as originally stated. Oh man, wonder where she'll move to. Holy cr@p, she could be my frickin neighbor.:cuss:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Vehicle on route to Montreal. It seems that she will not be moving to the NDG area as originally stated. Oh man, wonder where she'll move to. Holy cr@p, she could be my frickin neighbor.:cuss:

We need to trust the media that they'll report exactly where she is and that she won't have a moment of peace anywhere...:cuss:

Originally posted by Nightwalker


Sorry if I missed a detail.

I read this report - the most comprehensive one that I could find - and that must have been one of the points that I missed:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html?sect=5

However, it still doesn't change anything, I don't think, because if she failed to satisfy her condition of plea, why wasn't she charged by the prosecutors? A lot of people think there was only one "deal with the devil" but there were actually two.

"Prosecutors gave Homolka immunity from prosecution in Jane Doe's rape on the eve of Homolka giving testimony at Bernardo's 1995 murder trial.

Galligan said the decision not to charge Homolka in Jane Doe's crimes was "not taken in a vacuum" and was part of a trial strategy that ultimately helped convict the "extremely dangerous" Bernardo. Ontario prosecutors feared Homolka would be angered by the charges on the eve of her testimony.
"
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/05/30/pf-1063088.html

[giddyupalw]

Originally posted by Lauriet


We need to trust the media that they'll report exactly where she is and that she won't have a moment of peace anywhere...:cuss:

Hopefully they will!! I don't want her here in Ottawa....:flamemad:

[chilione]

Originally posted by Lauriet


I agree, some people wants to find excuse to these POS...

There is no excuse for that piece of crap! It was videotaped for crying out loud! I just hope that Jane Doe can press charges against her and send her back to prison.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Vehicle on route to Montreal. It seems that she will not be moving to the NDG area as originally stated. Oh man, wonder where she'll move to. Holy cr@p, she could be my frickin neighbor.:cuss:

May, if you watch * Le Canal nouvelles*, it's live talking about Karla and showing the car she left with and talking about the court hearing. :seeya:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by giddyupalw


Hopefully they will!! I don't want her here in Ottawa....:flamemad:

I don't want her here either... I'm in Quebec pretty far from Montreal......

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Lauriet


May, if you watch * Le Canal nouvelles*, it's live talking about Karla and showing the car she left with and talking about the court hearing. :seeya:

Lauriet, I have Starchoice. Are you on Videotron? I can't find that channel.:shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

3:27 Update:

Homolka's departure went undetected by the media.

"There has been a stakeout by dozens of cameras. But quietly, she was gone before we knew it," CTV News' Jed Kahane said outside St-Anne-Des-Plaines prison north of Montreal.

Most of the journalists were at the main entrance, but suddenly a red Dodge Caravan minivan escorted by two motorcyle-riding police officers appeared on the road, he said, adding they may have come out of a side entrance.

"Karla Homolka, from what we've been told, was in it."

Kahane said many want to know her whereabouts.

"The public, the majority, I'd say, of those I've spoken to in the last few months would like to know where she's living.

"They don't necessarily want to hound her out, but they'd like to know roughly where she's living in case, as the courts say, she's a risk to re-offend."

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Lauriet, I have Starchoice. Are you on Videotron? I can't find that channel.:shrug:

nope I'm on Video Dery, It's LCN TVA's 24/7 news channel....

Do you have TVA? It's a channel for news in french.... Dang I wish you could see.....

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
3:27 Update:

Homolka's departure went undetected by the media.

"There has been a stakeout by dozens of cameras. But quietly, she was gone before we knew it," CTV News' Jed Kahane said outside St-Anne-Des-Plaines prison north of Montreal.

Most of the journalists were at the main entrance, but suddenly a red Dodge Caravan minivan escorted by two motorcyle-riding police officers appeared on the road, he said, adding they may have come out of a side entrance.

"Karla Homolka, from what we've been told, was in it."

Kahane said many want to know her whereabouts.

"The public, the majority, I'd say, of those I've spoken to in the last few months would like to know where she's living.

"They don't necessarily want to hound her out, but they'd like to know roughly where she's living in case, as the courts say, she's a risk to re-offend." I agree with this tactic for two reasons:

1. Corrections Canada agreed to let the victims' parents' lawyers know before they found out through the media (classy)

2. What better way for the police to keep track of where she is than to escort her there.

:D

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by chilione


There is no excuse for that piece of crap! It was videotaped for crying out loud! I just hope that Jane Doe can press charges against her and send her back to prison.

There is no excuse for her crimes, and that is why she went to prison for 12 years. She was given immunity for Jane Doe. (she shouldn't have been, but she was)

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Lauriet


nope I'm on Video Dery, It's LCN TVA's 24/7 news channel....

Do you have TVA? It's a channel for news in french.... Dang I wish you could see.....

See what? That she left in a red vehicle? This is exactly what I mean....the drooling focus on minutia.

Originally posted by northernrflxn


See what? That she left in a red vehicle? This is exactly what I mean....the drooling focus on minutia. You obviously enjoy spending your afternoon reading and responding to it. :D

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


There is no excuse for her crimes, and that is why she went to prison for 12 years. She was given immunity for Jane Doe. (she shouldn't have been, but she was)

And 12 year is a joke for her crimes...:mad: It should have been a life sentence and at least to be tried for the sex crimes she was a part of.

Do you really think it's enough? Would you like her to live close to you? Your teen daughters to be in touch with her? :shrug:

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


See what? That she left in a red vehicle? This is exactly what I mean....the drooling focus on minutia.

Lauriet's post was addressed to me and I want to get as many details as possible of her whereabouts and where the he!! she's going. If you have no interest, find yourself something else to do.
:rolleyes:

[GrrlPwer]

Originally posted by Lauriet


And 12 year is a joke for her crimes...:mad: It should have been a life sentence and at least to be tried for the sex crimes she was a part of.

Do you really think it's enough? Would you like her to live close to you? Your teen daughters to be in touch with her? :shrug:

yeah its pretty sad Canada would let someone like that out of Prison.:flamemad:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Lauriet's post was addressed to me and I want to get as many details as possible of her whereabouts and where the he!! she's going. If you have no interest, find yourself something else to do.
:rolleyes:

Hoping some media will follow her and show us a picture of what she looks like right now...

I'm still watching LCN. :seeya:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by GrrlPwer


yeah its pretty sad Canada would let someone like that out of Prison.:flamemad:

I agree with you, most Canadians are angry because that POS got only 12 years and that she's free... :flamemad:

[chilione]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


There is no excuse for her crimes, and that is why she went to prison for 12 years. She was given immunity for Jane Doe. (she shouldn't have been, but she was)

No she shouldn't have been given immunity for Jane Doe. I hope JD files a citizen's private information charge against the scumbag.

[goatgirl]

Hello All-

Just to let you, if you havent heard Satan has been released ...

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-002/page.asp


god help us all-

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by goatgirl
Hello All-

Just to let you, if you havent heard Satan has been released ...

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-002/page.asp


god help us all-

Thanks goatgirl! :seeya:

Yes, that sick POS is out, I'm hoping she'll be stalked by media....

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by goatgirl
Hello All-

Just to let you, if you havent heard Satan has been released ...

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-002/page.asp


god help us all-

Hi gg,

Looks like she might be rooming with mommy for awhile or a hotel. Just heard this on the news. Still no word on where they're heading. Some media crews are following the red van but fear it might be a decoy. I can't believe they screwed up. Argh!

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Hi gg,

Looks like she might be rooming with mommy for awhile or a hotel. Just heard this on the news. Still no word on where they're heading. Some media crews are following the red van but fear it might be a decoy. I can't believe they screwed up. Argh!

May,

On the news on TQS they just said that Stephen William ( who wrote the book about her) was following the red van in case and tracking her down.

I heard the same about her meeting with her mommy in Montreal....

:seeya:

[ExArkie]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


She will not be allowed to legally enter the US with the criminal conviction. However, that will not stop her from doing so. IF she attempted to cross the border and IF she is not questioned or asked for ID then she will freely be allowed entry into the country. Once she is identified, she will be turned back but she must first be identified. With the crowds of people entering the US from Canada every day, it will be very easy for Karla to enter, providing she is not identified.

Once in the country, it will be very easy for her to get "lost". Considering the danger that she was and IS, it would be in the best interest of the citizens especially those in border towns, for the media to highlight her release from prison AND the information regarding the crimes she committed.

This reminds of when my son first moved from PA to FL. He was just out of college and had very little money and we were really worried about his living arrangements. He called to report that he had a place to live and a room-mate and dropped the bomb (just to annoy me) that the room-mate was an illegal immigrant. Of course, I began to have a coronary over the phone - then he said, "Relax mom, he's a Canadian!" Kid stayed in Florida till the weather got hot - then turned himself in and went home to cool Canada! All my Canadian neighbors are senior citizens - and legal - at least, I think so!:)

Just a few hours out of prison and already Karla has given her first interview on French Canadian radio.

http://www.940news.com/nouvelles.php?cat=9&id=n070483A

[MrToadsWildRide]

I just saw it on CTV myself...speaking French too.She looks different than I expected.She still has those cold dead eyes.

Originally posted by MrToadsWildRide
I just saw it on CTV myself...speaking French too.She looks different than I expected.She still has those cold dead eyes. Yeap. That's where I saw it as well. :(

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by MrToadsWildRide
I just saw it on CTV myself...speaking French too.She looks different than I expected.She still has those cold dead eyes.

geez I missed it...:mad:

Originally posted by Lauriet


geez I missed it...:mad: They'll probably show it on CBC and other TV stations tonight.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by Lauriet


geez I missed it...:mad:

here's her picture

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

Unbelievable that she is already talking to the media.:flamemad:

Lauriet, you can watch the video on the site

Originally posted by Lauriet


geez I missed it...:mad: Linky: (with her picture now)

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13/?hub=TopStories

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


here's her picture

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13?hub=topstories

Unbelievable that she is already talking to the media.:flamemad:

Lauriet, you can watch the video on the site

It won't let me watch the video, because I'm on a Mac and sympatico/msn isin't Mac friendly. :rolleyes:

I just put the channel on RDI, the one she gave the interview at...

How's her accent? thanks for the link a lot May...

That sick b**** is already giving interviews....:flamemad:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
Linky: (with her picture now)

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120472902514_13/?hub=TopStories

I just saw it on SRC my local station...She scared the sh!t out of me...

Thanks for the link AreYouSerious? :seeya:

She's creepy....and she looks terrible....IMO

Originally posted by Lauriet


I just saw it on SRC my local station...She scared the sh!t out of me...

Thanks for the link AreYouSerious? :seeya:

She's creepy....and she looks terrible....IMO :seeya: you're welcome, Lauriet (pretty name BTW)

She looks ten years older than her age. Prison certainly hasn't been kind to her original youthful appearance.

Originally posted by lg01

I am sure she looks good enough to find herself another sicko boyfreind with whom she could murder a few more girls. No doubt. :( Wasn't it only recently that she told a psychiatrist she doesn't take any responsibility for her actions? What's with her contriteness now? :rolleyes:

"I don't want to be hunted down," Homolka told a French radio station, after her release from prison on Monday.

Yeah we already knew that, Karla.
:rolleyes:

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
:seeya: you're welcome, Lauriet (pretty name BTW)

She looks ten years older than her age. Prison certainly hasn't been kind to her original youthful appearance. I just saw her interview with CBC. I didn't recognize her. Her hair is darker and thin (layered) and she spoke in bad French. I'm happy she did the interview; the whole world will know what she looks like now.
moo

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
:seeya: you're welcome, Lauriet (pretty name BTW)

She looks ten years older than her age. Prison certainly hasn't been kind to her original youthful appearance.

Thanks...I dunno if you read french but on SRC website they say the whole interview will be aired tonight at * Le point* the 10 PM news...

http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Index/nouvelles/200507/04/003-homolka-lundi.shtml

I went on the CTV.ca website but they don't give the details because it'll be aired in french...:shrug:

Thanks, I like my name....:D

She looks older, tired but I got a strange creepy feeling from when she was talking...

Originally posted by FrankieBones
I just saw her interview with CBC. I didn't recognize her. Her hair is darker and thin (layered) and she spoke in bad French. I'm happy she did the interview; the whole world will know what she looks like now.
moo I wouldn't bet on that. She probably stopped at the drug store enroute to the radio station to pick up a box of Clairol and a pair of scissors.

She can fool some of the people some of the time....

Originally posted by Lauriet


Thanks...I dunno if you read french but on SRC website they say the whole interview will be aired tonight at * Le point* the 10 PM news...

http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Index/nouvelles/200507/04/003-homolka-lundi.shtml

I went on the CTV.ca website but they don't give the details because it'll be aired in french...:shrug:

Thanks, I like my name....:D

She looks older, tired but I got a strange creepy feeling from when she was talking... Karla did the interview for one reason, and one reason only: Karla. She's always got something self-serving up her sleeve.

Thanks for the link. I read French far better than I can speak it (like most Anglos :D )

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by FrankieBones
I just saw her interview with CBC. I didn't recognize her. Her hair is darker and thin (layered) and she spoke in bad French. I'm happy she did the interview; the whole world will know what she looks like now.
moo

yes, her french sucks....The whole world saw her and heard her, she'll easily be spoted now....

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
Karla did the interview for one reason, and one reason only: Karla. She's always got something self-serving up her sleeve.

Thanks for the link. I read French far better than I can speak it (like most Anglos :D )

you are welcome!:D

I'll watch the whole interview at 10 PM and let you guys know.

Originally posted by Lauriet


yes, her french sucks....The whole world saw her and heard her, she'll easily be spoted now.... You're right...her french sucks.:D You'd think with all that time in the slammer she would have at least fine-tuned her grammar and a half-decent accent.

Thankfully, that alone will make her stick out like a sore thumb in a province she thinks is a separate country :rolleyes:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
I wouldn't bet on that. She probably stopped at the drug store enroute to the radio station to pick up a box of Clairol and a pair of scissors.

She can fool some of the people some of the time....

I agree, but I don't think ppl will leave her alone....

But she'll try to play the people by playing the poor innocent victim....:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Lauriet


I agree, but I don't think ppl will leave her alone....

But she'll try to play the people by playing the poor innocent victim....:rolleyes: I agree. She perfected that poor-me act 12 years ago with disasterous consequences.

Except now, the country is much smarter, I hope.

"Speaking in slightly accented French, Ms. Homolka said in the interview, to be broadcast later Monday, that “often I cry.”:rolleyes:

"The interview will air tonight at 9 P.M. Eastern time on CBC Newsworld and at 10 P.M. Eastern on The National."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050704.wkarl0704/BNStory/National/

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
You're right...her french sucks.:D You'd think with all that time in the slammer she would have at least fine-tuned her grammar and a half-decent accent.

Thankfully, that alone will make her stick out like a sore thumb in a province she thinks is a separate country :rolleyes:

yeah, she had 12 years to learn proper french..but with an accent like that, we'll know it's her or that she is not Quebec.

She thinks Quebec's a country? :rolleyes: She's as dumb as a box of rocks.....

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
I agree. She perfected that poor-me act 12 years ago with disasterous consequences.

Except now, the country is much smarter, I hope.

I'm hoping we are smarter as a country than in 1993....

Originally posted by Lauriet


yeah, she had 12 years to learn proper french..but with an accent like that, we'll know it's her or that she is not Quebec.

She thinks Quebec's a country? :rolleyes: She's as dumb as a box of rocks..... "Slated for release between Thursday and July 4, Homolka said in a psychiatric report done in 2000 she sees Quebec as "a separate country" where it would be easy to blend in."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/06/28/1108920-cp.html

Yo, Karly Kurls! Newsflash for ya! Not with THAT accent! :D (and all that blood on your hands :( )

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
"Speaking in slightly accented French, Ms. Homolka said in the interview, to be broadcast later Monday, that “often I cry.”:rolleyes:

"The interview will air tonight at 9 P.M. Eastern time on CBC Newsworld and at 10 P.M. Eastern on The National."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050704.wkarl0704/BNStory/National/

Thanks! :seeya: I'm going to watch it .....:)

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
"Slated for release between Thursday and July 4, Homolka said in a psychiatric report done in 2000 she sees Quebec as "a separate country" where it would be easy to blend in."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/06/28/1108920-cp.html

Yo, Karly Kurls! Newsflash for ya! Not with THAT accent! :D (and all that blood on your hands :( )

:lol:

She *sees* Quebec as a country? She can't blend in with that accent....

OMG, well surprise , we won't forget....we're not dumb....

[deputydi]

Originally posted by Lauriet


Thanks! :seeya: I'm going to watch it .....:)
This is a question to any native Canadians who may still be here.

Once the tapes were discovered and it was glaringly obvious Karla was NOT a battered victim, why didn't the Canadian Gov't rescind her plea agreement? I can't believe they needed her testimony to convict Paul when those tapes should have been enough to put both of them away for life.

I have always believed that telling a lie would negate any agreement. Am I wrong?

""When I communicated the news to them that Karla Homolka had been released, there was this dead silence and you could just feel the pain and the anguish and the heartbreak over the telephone," Tim Danson told The Canadian Press.

"The silence lasted for quite some time."

Danson said both the French and Mahaffy families had believed they were prepared emotionally and mentally for the inevitable - the day Homolka's manslaughter sentence was finally done.

But that belief was washed away by a wave of raw grief as the reality that Homolka was no longer behind bars dawned on them.

"When it was actually real as opposed to about to happen, it just resonated in them in terms of the enormous loss that they've experienced," Danson said. "

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/07/04/1117074-cp.html

....and the press is feeding Karla's narcissistic needs now...that sure didn't take long :rolleyes:

[MochasMom]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Correct. The tapes were discovered after the plea bargain deal was made, therefore giving her only 12 year sentence. And now she is due to be released. Sick Sick Sick!


Thanks, that's what I thought I remembered. She and her husband were truly a match made in hell.

MHO

Originally posted by Lauriet


:lol:

She *sees* Quebec as a country? She can't blend in with that accent....

OMG, well surprise , we won't forget....we're not dumb.... Je me souviens <--- did I get that right? :D

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
Je me souviens <--- did I get that right? :D

Yes, you got it right! :D

Originally posted by deputydi

This is a question to any native Canadians who may still be here.

Once the tapes were discovered and it was glaringly obvious Karla was NOT a battered victim, why didn't the Canadian Gov't rescind her plea agreement? I can't believe they needed her testimony to convict Paul when those tapes should have been enough to put both of them away for life.

I have always believed that telling a lie would negate any agreement. Am I wrong? You're correct. If you read earlier in the thread, I explained how, on the eve of her testimony against Bernardo she admitted to, and received immunity for, helping to sexually assault "Jane Doe", TWICE. This should have negated her plea bargain but, considering the timing of the admission, they didn't want to p**s her off and thus jeopardize her testimony.

Had they found out about Jane Doe after her testimony, she would have been toast, but she was conniving enough to bring it out herself at just the right time that would serve HER well.

I hope no one underestimates this woman's cunning. She's proven it repeatedly.

[Angel~Eyes]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
I wouldn't bet on that. She probably stopped at the drug store enroute to the radio station to pick up a box of Clairol and a pair of scissors.

She can fool some of the people some of the time....

I'm sure she'll change her appearance again now that she has exposed herself to the public. She can't hide behind those evil eyes.:flamemad:

[deputydi]

Originally posted by BlueBomber


The deal was already done. It was the fault of the police for buying the whole battered woman thing, I believe they could've had both no problem without the tapes. A deal is a deal though and you have to keep to your word because it is imperative for future cases. I would like to say that I personally don't think she is any danger to people, I honestly don't worry about that.In terms of her sentence she got off easy ,even her prison stay in the facility they have for women was pretty easy time.
I agree "a deal is a deal" but that only holds true as long as both sides keep their end of the agreement. The woman lied. She presented herself as this poor, beaten into submission, victim. The tapes showed otherwise. Why wouldn't her lies have negated the deal?

I understand what AYS said, but IMO, once they had the tapes they no longer needed Karla's testimony against Paul. Who cares if she was pi$$ed off? It may have something to do with the timing and I'm just not getting it.

It just ticks me off that this demented psychopath is free.

[deputydi]

Originally posted by valhalla
A deal is a deal ONLY when all parties involved have every intention of being obligated to the terms of that deal. Even a basic contract says that any breach of conditions is a right to reneg the offer or counter- offer. The prosecutors are scapegoating and it will never be acceptable that they could do nothing once they found out the truth.

I would think that by protecting the public from her kind would be imperative for future cases and possibly the lack of them because of preventative measures called KEEP HER LOCKED UP.

I cannot predict if she will re-offend by what right do I have to wait and see? I do know she has a propensity to manipulate,seduce, lie, kill, rape, torture when with the 'right man'. What else do we need to know?
Exactly my point -- only you said it much better!

I have never understood this and you're right -- no one knows whether she will re-offend given the right circumstances. Why would anyone want to take that chance?

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
I don't disagree with you at all, but I don't think she should be "protected" from the press either.

One minor correction to your post where you say she "did what she was supposed to do as part of the process". One condition of her deal was that she be open about any other crime, yet she neglected to tell them about Jane Doe.

Yes and Karla also neglected to tell LE about the "infamous" tapes. She knew where they were; but she knew that if they were to surface that her goose was cooked.

Karla could have put an end to everything (starting with her little sister Tammy) by picking up the phone and calling the Police. Did she do this? No! And we're supposed to feel sorry for this scumbag because she also considers herself a victim of Paul's? GMAFB!!

JMO and MOO!!

Originally posted by deputydi

Exactly my point -- only you said it much better!

I have never understood this and you're right -- no one knows whether she will re-offend given the right circumstances. Why would anyone want to take that chance? God only knows. Our justice system severely screwed up in this case 12 years ago.

Videotapes emerged after the plea arrangement showing Homolka took part in the crimes with gusto and also helped rape another woman known as Jane Doe. The deal stood.

"It was a bungle that gave her the freedom, the future, she so does not deserve, and now we've totally bungled the way (her release) is being executed," said Williams.

The Mahaffy and French families have also maintained the deal should have been dropped when the tapes were discovered.

"We missed the opportunity and now we're paying the price," Danson said.

"We know she's going to reoffend, the National Parole Board says she's going to reoffend. If she does, if there's another victim, it's inexcusable."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/06/29/1110642-cp.html

That's why today is especially heartbreaking for the French and Mahaffy families today. Karla is free and it's rumoured that her mother is there by her side, while the victims' families know they'll never see their precious daughters again.

I'm not one to pass out roses, but I sure feel for Leslie and Kristen's families right now.
:(

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Yes and Karla also neglected to tell LE about the "infamous" tapes. She knew where they were; but she knew that if they were to surface that her goose was cooked.

Karla could have put an end to everything (starting with her little sister Tammy) by picking up the phone and calling the Police. Did she do this? No! And we're supposed to feel sorry for this scumbag because she also considers herself a victim of Paul's? GMAFB!!

JMO and MOO!! No one that I know of feels sorry for this monster. Her sympathy ploy is so-more-than-10-years-ago.

[c_biscuit]

Originally posted by Victim's Cry
Well I will enter the hornets nest here,

She was given 12 years and served it all. IMO the people to be angry with are the prosecutors who gave her the plea deal. I also think it would have been a lot smarter to release her after 11 on parole so she could be closely monitored and then if she did anything to violate parole no matter how small..such as return late to the initial halfway/transition house, she would be returned to prison..but either way there would be monitoring on a tight leash. By serving the full 12 she now is free to go where she wants with minimal restrictions and no supervion.

However the anger is misplaced imo, when its against her going free, it should be against the prosecutors.

all imo

I agree... it's their responsibility to keep these people behind bars once they are caught. They believed her BS story and are paying for it.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by valhalla
A deal is a deal ONLY when all parties involved have every intention of being obligated to the terms of that deal. Even a basic contract says that any breach of conditions is a right to reneg the offer or counter- offer. The prosecutors are scapegoating and it will never be acceptable that they could do nothing once they found out the truth.

I would think that by protecting the public from her kind would be imperative for future cases and possibly the lack of them because of preventative measures called KEEP HER LOCKED UP.

I cannot predict if she will re-offend by what right do I have to wait and see? I do know she has a propensity to manipulate,seduce, lie, kill, rape, torture when with the 'right man'. What else do we need to know?

well said :seeya: !

[Angel~Eyes]

I guess we were just moved by CW. I was lost in cyberspace for a few seconds.:D

Originally posted by valhalla
A deal is a deal ONLY when all parties involved have every intention of being obligated to the terms of that deal. Even a basic contract says that any breach of conditions is a right to reneg the offer or counter- offer. The prosecutors are scapegoating and it will never be acceptable that they could do nothing once they found out the truth.

I would think that by protecting the public from her kind would be imperative for future cases and possibly the lack of them because of preventative measures called KEEP HER LOCKED UP.

I cannot predict if she will re-offend by what right do I have to wait and see? I do know she has a propensity to manipulate,seduce, lie, kill, rape, torture when with the 'right man'. What else do we need to know? Well said. We do know that a rarely-used piece of law was successfully used in this case to watch her for at least a year, even though under normal circumstances she's be free to go about her life.

That's certainly a precedent and a good start! :)

[Angel~Eyes]

For those asking about the tapes and our screwed up Canadian Justice System:

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=85c49ea5-4fb7-43b1-ac45-459001fe4ed5

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
For those asking about the tapes and our screwed up Canadian Justice System:

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=85c49ea5-4fb7-43b1-ac45-459001fe4ed5 Excellent link, Angel. :seeya:

Especiall this point:

"The most obvious is that the tapes do not, in fact, depict the murders of Kristen French or Leslie Mahaffy, Code said. Without that, prosecutors still considered Homolka's testimony essential to convicting Bernardo of first-degree murder."

It's always been up in the air who killed them: Karla or Paul or both.

[c_biscuit]

OK... all this supposed business about "she will definitely reoffend, or she is very unlikely to reoffend... here's my take -

I don't think she will reoffend ON HER OWN. It's not likely she'd go out and do those things by herself.

But, since she has already had a psychopath boyfriend while in prison, and seems to desperately want "instruction", she'll attach herself to another Bernardo quick out of prison IMO.

That is when she is likely to reoffend, is when she hooks up with another psychopath and carries out her fantasies with him.

JMO

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
I guess we were just moved by CW. I was lost in cyberspace for a few seconds.:D

Yes, we were moved. :D

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
No one that I know of feels sorry for this monster. Her sympathy ploy is so-more-than-10-years-ago.

My comment, "And we're supposed to feel sorry for this scumbag because she also considers herself a victim of Paul's? GMAFB!!" was in answer to northernrflxn ~ who continually states and tries to shove it down anybody's throat who feels otherwise that Karla was battered by Paul and, thus, not responsible for her actions.

JMO and MOO!!

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


My comment, "And we're supposed to feel sorry for this scumbag because she also considers herself a victim of Paul's? GMAFB!!" was in answer to northernrflxn ~ who continually states and tries to shove it down anybody's throat who feels otherwise that Karla was battered by Paul and, thus, not responsible for her actions.

JMO and MOO!! Oh that. I've had that on ignore for a while now. :D Try it, you'll like it. :D

[Angel~Eyes]

Found this on the Government website. It's dated 2002/2003. Couldn't find any recent statistics.....argh!!


PUBLIC ATTITUDES AND CONCERNS5
Fear of crime persists, despite lower rates of reported crime. Public demands continue for greater effectiveness in assessing the risk of reoffending particularly for offenders with a history of violent or sexual offences. These demands are frequently accompanied by calls for more punitive approaches to crime, including greater use of incarceration, longer sentences and more limited access to parole. In this context, Canadians consistently over-estimate rates of reoffending by parolees. Most Canadians believe that between 50% and 100% of parolees reoffend. In fact, the rate is less than 10% and the rate of violent reoffending is about 1%. Further, rates of reoffending by parolees have declined in recent years even though risk assessment and risk management have become more complex, given the growing proportion of federal offenders with histories of violence. A decade ago, about 60% of federal offenders were incarcerated for a violent offence. Today the proportion is about 80%.

The public continues to demand more information about the Board and its decisions and opportunities for meaningful debate on parole and related issues. These demands have created the need for a new approach to public information based on citizen engagement which provides Canadians with "a voice" in discussion on issues with important implications for their families, their homes and their communities.

http://www.npb-cnlc.gc.ca/reports/pdf/pmr_2002_2003/03pmr_04_e.htm#5

[goatgirl]

Hello all

Not sure if this has been posted or not- Karla's first stop since her release from prison - an interview...

the whole interview will be on tonight, here is some footage of the interview:

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-014/page.asp

I must say.....12 years later .....she looks like crap !

thanks Goatgirl

Originally posted by Rogerthat


The hand-wringing judicial system of Canada, and it's bleeding heart apologists may discover that by creating a penalty "vacuum", heinous criminals would prefer to commit their crimes there.

12 years for triple homicide. No death penalty for a "monster" like Paul Bernardo. Nice, easy prisons.

Be careful, Canada. ya, ya, it's all old hat. We're used to it and just suck it up.

BTW do you have proof that Karla committed the murders?

As a country, we've decided to not have a death penalty. You're free to decide what to do with your own monsters in your own country. :seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
Oh that. I've had that on ignore for a while now. :D Try it, you'll like it. :D

Yes, I am going to have to. She is a real thorn in my side on Karla's Board!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by goatgirl
Hello all

Not sure if this has been posted or not- Karla's first stop since her release from prison - an interview...

the whole interview will be on tonight, here is some footage of the interview:

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050704-014/page.asp

I must say.....12 years later .....she looks like crap !

thanks Goatgirl

Keep us posted on this interview GG! Thanks!

:seeya:

[Angel~Eyes]

Good night everyone! It was quite a day. It was great to meet you all.

Lauriet and 2L8, it was nice seeing you again!

I'm sure we'll be seeing each other again on this board.

Hugs,

May

:seeya:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Good night everyone! It was quite a day. It was great to meet you all.

Lauriet and 2L8, it was nice seeing you again!

I'm sure we'll be seeing each other again on this board.

Hugs,

May

:seeya:

Bonne Nuit May!!!!

It was very nice seeing you too...

Try to rest and we'll be here tomorrow!!!!


Hugs back to you! :seeya:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Keep us posted on this interview GG! Thanks!

:seeya:

2L8, the interview with Karla is next on SRC at the show * Le point* here in Quebec....

I'll let you know . :seeya:

http://src.ca/nouvelles/Index/nouvelles/200507/04/003-homolka-lundi.shtml

sorry the link's in french....:shrug:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Good night everyone! It was quite a day. It was great to meet you all.

Lauriet and 2L8, it was nice seeing you again!

I'm sure we'll be seeing each other again on this board.

Hugs,

May

:seeya:

Good night May! Hope you had a nice weekend. See you tomorrow!

:seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Lauriet


2L8, the interview with Karla is next on SRC at the show * Le point* here in Quebec....

I'll let you know . :seeya:

http://src.ca/nouvelles/Index/nouvelles/200507/04/003-homolka-lundi.shtml

sorry the link's in french....:shrug:

Okay, Lauriet. Thanks! I hope that it will be in English. LOL!

:seeya:

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Okay, Lauriet. Thanks! I hope that it will be in English. LOL!

:seeya:

:lol: LOL, My opinion and comments will be in english for sure.

Well, it's over, it lasted maybe 25 mins...Her eyes stayed dead and showed no emotions the whole time, something's wrong with those eyes...

She did laugh and smiled when referring to her mom and dad, she said that the first thing she wants ( she was smiling) was an iced cappucino from Tim Hortons ( similar to Dunkin Donuts).

She did say many times that she was sorry but I don't believe her one second, her eyes are dead, there is nothing there.

She refused to talk about her boyfriend Jean-Paul Gerbet, the one who murdered his girlfriend and got a life sentence...

I hope this won't convince anyone here that she's fine, and I have to admit that her french isin't that good but it's better than I thought.

She will stay here, in the province of Quebec.

Well, That's my opinion of the interview, I hope there's a link somewhere in english for the translation of her interview for you guys.

I hope you get to watch it or at least read an english translation...

:seeya:

ETA: to correct typos and add that even when she expressed *regrets*, her eyes stayed cold and dead.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Lauriet


:lol: LOL, My opinion and comments will be in english for sure.

Well, it's over, it lasted maybe 25 mins...Her eyes stayed dead and showed no emotions the whole time, something's wrong with those eyes...

She did laugh and smiled when referring to her mom and dad, she said that the first thing she wants ( she was smiling) was an iced cappucino from Tim Hortons ( similar to Dunkin Donuts).

She did say many times that she was sorry but I don't believe her one second, her eyes are dead, there is nothing there.

She refused to talk about her boyfriend Jean-Paul Gerbet, the one who murdered his girlfriend and got a life sentence...

I hope this won't convince anyone here that she's fine, and I have to admit that her french isin't that good but it's better than I thought.

She will stay here, in the province of Quebec.

Well, That's my opinion of the interview, I hope there's a link somewhere in english for the translation of her interview for you guys.

I hope you get to watch it or at least read an english translation...

:seeya:

ETA: to correct typos and add that even when she expressed *regrets*, her eyes stayed cold and dead.

Tell 'em what they want to hear Lauriet. Were you up getting popcorn when her cold dead eyes filled with tears when she talked about the internal prison she would always be in because of what she'd done? You doubt her regrets? You think this is the past and future she would choose for herself? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

My point all day has been this: she's human, and she's served her full sentence under the law. I hope everyone gets a chance to see this interview to judge for themselves.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


My comment, "And we're supposed to feel sorry for this scumbag because she also considers herself a victim of Paul's? GMAFB!!" was in answer to northernrflxn ~ who continually states and tries to shove it down anybody's throat who feels otherwise that Karla was battered by Paul and, thus, not responsible for her actions.

JMO and MOO!!

I have NEVER, NEVER stated that the abuse she suffered under Paul (and suffer abuse she did) absolved her of anything. I have NEVER said she was not responsible, and it is irresponsible of YOU to say I have.

I think their relative guilt was properly used as a mitigating factor in her sentencing. You don't know a tenth of what you think you know about this case.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I have NEVER, NEVER stated that the abuse she suffered under Paul (and suffer abuse she did) absolved her of anything. I have NEVER said she was not responsible, and it is irresponsible of YOU to say I have.

I think their relative guilt was properly used as a mitigating factor in her sentencing. You don't know a tenth of what you think you know about this case.

Here is your post that made me arrive at my opinion:

"She is a victim of Paul Bernardo's mental, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and I consider that to be extremely evident from the body of evidence. The fact that almost everybody takes a leap to think that anybody who believes this is excusing her crimes or implying that what she did was not voluntary is beyond my control."

If any other posters ~ except you ~ take a different view of your post above and tell me that I am wrong about what I said to "AreYouSerious?" then I will apologize to you for what I said. Until then, I stand by my post.

As to your last paragraph, I think that since you have appointed yourself the "expert" on the Karla Homolka case, that you need to go back through all of the 26+ pages and count how many people agree with you. I don't think you are going to find that many. Then you need to back off my butt!

JMO and MOO!!

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Here is your post that made me arrive at my opinion:

"She is a victim of Paul Bernardo's mental, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and I consider that to be extremely evident from the body of evidence. The fact that almost everybody takes a leap to think that anybody who believes this is excusing her crimes or implying that what she did was not voluntary is beyond my control."

If any other posters ~ except you ~ take a different view of your post above and tell me that I am wrong about what I said to "AreYouSerious?" then I will apologize to you for what I said. Until then, I stand by my post.

As to your last paragraph, I think that since you have appointed yourself the "expert" on the Karla Homolka case, that you need to go back through all of the 26+ pages and count how many people agree with you. I don't think you are going to find that many. Then you need to back off my butt!

JMO and MOO!!

2L8, you've always been a kind and intelligent poster, don't let anyone get to you like that.

Northernrflxn is picking on anyone that don't agree that Karla's a poor victim...That's JMO

:seeya:

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Lauriet


2L8, you've always been a kind and intelligent poster, don't let anyone get to you like that.

Northernrflxn is picking on anyone that don't agree that Karla's a poor victim...That's JMO

:seeya:

Thank you Lauriet. I just have to start "considering the source"!

[hockeymomof5]

the transcript of the interview is here (http://www.canada.com/national/features/homolka/story.html?id=122ea497-5633-4f02-8a66-21caf98bf854).

I find it interesting that she fought to get a media ban yet within hours gave this interview with the media. IMO, she doesn't want a ban on the media, she just wants to control the media coverage of her.

I saw the interview and my stomach churned with each word she spoke. She looks like hell.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5
the transcript of the interview is here (http://www.canada.com/national/features/homolka/story.html?id=122ea497-5633-4f02-8a66-21caf98bf854).

I find it interesting that she fought to get a media ban yet within hours gave this interview with the media. IMO, she doesn't want a ban on the media, she just wants to control the media coverage of her.

I saw the interview and my stomach churned with each word she spoke. She looks like hell.

Thank you HM for the link. I am sure the only reason Karla did the interview is because they paid her. I don't think she would ever do anything "gratis". She's a "taker" not a "giver" and she always will be!

JMO and MOO!!

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Thank you HM for the link. I am sure the only reason Karla did the interview is because they paid her. I don't think she would ever do anything "gratis". She's a "taker" not a "giver" and she always will be!

JMO and MOO!!

Your welcome. IMO, the only reason Karla does ANYTHING is for her own self. If she were thinking of anyone else, expecially the families of her victims, she wouldn't have given the interview the moment she left the prison.

Imagine the feelings that Kristen's and Leslie's families were experiencing yesterday hearing of her release only to turn on the TV to see her and hear her voice. What a slap in the face of these families. If she had ANY remorse or ANY respect for these families, she would have slipped out of prison (as quiet as she could) and move on to where ever she planned to live.....quietly!

But nope, true to Karla's form, she went over the top and threw herself into the public view. Ironically, at the same time her lawyers were fighting in court to get a ban put on the media from reporting on her. That was a very clear message from her that SHE is the one who is in charge here.

[BJames]

One thing that is obvious (at least to me) is that Karla is a manipulator, I have huge doubts that it has changed at all. She may state that she didn't 'like' prison, but from all articles I have seen/read she sure didn't appear too uncomfortable. I work with folks that have never commited such horrible crimes yet they don't live with three squares a day, hair days, make up, nice clothes and protection from society at large.
I have followed this case for over 12 years, it was the biggest news when the trial(s) were going on as well as all of the legal follow up, and I don't think it has every truly died down since. Canadians are and have been very upset about this case for years, at the judicial system yes...but that can't be taken back..a deal with the devil it was, but all we can do about it now is keep track of the woman.
I'm not sure especially in the small local areas where the families live that they have ever lived a day without thinking about the time coming when Karla Homolka/Teale will walk the streets a legally 'free' woman...but it's here.
In a way this might be worse than the 'club-med' prison she has become used to, with her 'friends' and pen pal boyfriend left behind...no more group birthday parties...She will live her life in fear, as it should be.
I do believe that there is such an onus on her because she has never shown (she may say it...talk is cheap) any remorse for her actions, for the most part Canadians are a forgiving lot...but there is a line in the sand.
She will manipulate, she did it with LE, she did it in the system to get to the prison she wanted to be in (more like a Country Club) and now she shall manipulate the media as much as she can. The only money she could ever make would be off of her story, a real 'job' is almost out of the question for the woman. I don't know that anyone in Canada is unaware of this case in the 12 years it has been covered, she will be recognized no matter where she goes...Quebec or not. Karla Holmolka/Teal is to Canada what Charles Manson is to the States, only Manson is smart (?) enough to know he is much safer in prison. Karla on the other hand believes somewhere in her heart that the country will 'forgive and forget' her, because for the most part everyone in her life always has...Karla people are not forgetting.


Just my very verbose opinion.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by Rogerthat


The hand-wringing judicial system of Canada, and it's bleeding heart apologists may discover that by creating a penalty "vacuum", heinous criminals would prefer to commit their crimes there.

12 years for triple homicide. No death penalty for a "monster" like Paul Bernardo. Nice, easy prisons.

Be careful, Canada.
I'm surprised that no one ever 'offed' Bernardo in prison yet. At any rate, Canada's murder rate is low in comparison to the USA. I would rather not get into a Death Penalty debate; I just don't see it as much as a deterrent.

As for Karla, may she never have a moment's peace on the outside. I doubt that she was rehabilitated during her twelve short years in prison.
moo

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by AreYouSerious?
I wouldn't bet on that. She probably stopped at the drug store enroute to the radio station to pick up a box of Clairol and a pair of scissors.

She can fool some of the people some of the time....
You're absolutely right. It wouldn't take much for her to disguise herself.
imo

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Here is your post that made me arrive at my opinion:

"She is a victim of Paul Bernardo's mental, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, and I consider that to be extremely evident from the body of evidence. The fact that almost everybody takes a leap to think that anybody who believes this is excusing her crimes or implying that what she did was not voluntary is beyond my control."

If any other posters ~ except you ~ take a different view of your post above and tell me that I am wrong about what I said to "AreYouSerious?" then I will apologize to you for what I said. Until then, I stand by my post.

As to your last paragraph, I think that since you have appointed yourself the "expert" on the Karla Homolka case, that you need to go back through all of the 26+ pages and count how many people agree with you. I don't think you are going to find that many. Then you need to back off my butt!

JMO and MOO!!

My post you quote clearly states that accepting that she was abused does NOT excuse her from her crimes and does NOT imply that what she did was not voluntary. I'm sorry if you misunderstood.

I am not "the" expert, but I am an amateur expert of sorts - along with people like hockeymom and others who clearly have read a lot of the facts. I realize I am in the minority - but my beliefs ARE supported by one reasonable interpretation of the evidence.

I do acknowledge that the beliefs of the majority are also supported by another interpretation- that's why it would make an interesting discussion if even one of you would be willing to challenge your beliefs, which at least some (including you) have admitted are based on relatively little information and study. That says more about you collectively than it does about me.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes


Her mom moved to Montreal to be with her and her dad is also supporting her.

Makes me sick!!:mad:
Do you remember how long after Tammy's death that Karla and Paul married? That still bothers me to this day. It also bothers me that the coroner overlooked the burns on Tammy's face saying that it was probably caused by vomit.

imo

[hockeymomof5]

Originally posted by northernrflxn


My post you quote clearly states that accepting that she was abused does NOT excuse her from her crimes and does NOT imply that what she did was not voluntary. I'm sorry if you misunderstood.

I am not "the" expert, but I am an amateur expert of sorts - along with people like hockeymom and others who clearly have read a lot of the facts. I realize I am in the minority - but my beliefs ARE supported by one reasonable interpretation of the evidence.

I do acknowledge that the beliefs of the majority are also supported by another interpretation- that's why it would make an interesting discussion if even one of you would be willing to challenge your beliefs, which at least some (including you) have admitted are based on relatively little information and study. That says more about you collectively than it does about me.

I wouldn't refer to myself as even "an amateur expert" as I do not know ALL the facts and I surely wouldn't consider those who get their knowledge from a book or two or even three that were written about these murderers "amateur experts".

There are MANY who DO know all the facts. Many who DO have the clear and distinct title of "expert" on Karla Homolka. The Prosecutors, the investigators, the psychologists. They support a differing opinion that you. I'll take THEIR opinions. They ARE the EXPERTS, and don't claim to be "amateur experts" that you claim you are.

[cami]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5
the transcript of the interview is here (http://www.canada.com/national/features/homolka/story.html?id=122ea497-5633-4f02-8a66-21caf98bf854).

I find it interesting that she fought to get a media ban yet within hours gave this interview with the media. IMO, she doesn't want a ban on the media, she just wants to control the media coverage of her.

I saw the interview and my stomach churned with each word she spoke. She looks like hell.

See. Despite her protests she is in fear of her life, she runs right to Radio Canada and gives an interview. Her lawyers are in court trying to get a ban and she's on the radio doing damage control. She's enjoying this attention. That cow. She had to know that she would be televized giving that interview radio or not. She does look like hell doesn't she. Looks good on her.

We need to direct our anger at the Crown, the CA's and the psychologists, those so called experts who misdiagnosed her in the first place. No sense crying over spilt milk, she's done her time, she's out and there's nothing we Canadians can do about it.

[Angel~Eyes]

Montreal Gazette:

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=38ab4439-73d1-409b-8781-0ad2655367a2

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=55559260-b5e1-403b-a439-41922737f08a

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by hockeymomof5


I wouldn't refer to myself as even "an amateur expert" as I do not know ALL the facts and I surely wouldn't consider those who get their knowledge from a book or two or even three that were written about these murderers "amateur experts".

There are MANY who DO know all the facts. Many who DO have the clear and distinct title of "expert" on Karla Homolka. The Prosecutors, the investigators, the psychologists. They support a differing opinion that you. I'll take THEIR opinions. They ARE the EXPERTS, and don't claim to be "amateur experts" that you claim you are.

Anyone who has done as much reading and reflecting on anything as I have on this case over the years- I've read virtually everything in the public domain and far more than a book or three - is an amateur expert of sorts. That doesn't mean I'm objectively right, it just means that the opinions I do have are informed. And that fact is not changed by the "might makes right" pack dog mentality prevailing on this forum.

One of the many enigmas of this case is that the real experts are split. The prosecutors are the ones who gave her the deal, based on the work by the investigators. For every psychologist or psychiatrist that sees things one way, there is a correpsonding one who sees her differently. It is an interesting case, certainly worthy of greater debate than is seen here.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Do you remember how long after Tammy's death that Karla and Paul married? That still bothers me to this day. It also bothers me that the coroner overlooked the burns on Tammy's face saying that it was probably caused by vomit.

imo

About 6 months.

[Lauriet]

Originally posted by Angel~Eyes
Montreal Gazette:

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=38ab4439-73d1-409b-8781-0ad2655367a2

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=55559260-b5e1-403b-a439-41922737f08a

Thanks May for the links, I'm emailing the article to friends in the US. :seeya:

[chilione]

Originally posted by FrankieBones

Do you remember how long after Tammy's death that Karla and Paul married? That still bothers me to this day. It also bothers me that the coroner overlooked the burns on Tammy's face saying that it was probably caused by vomit.

imo

It was only 6 months and the animal was complaining that her father wanted her to postpone the wedding because he was grieving. Leslie's body also washed up on their wedding day.

[FrankieBones]

Originally posted by chilione


It was only 6 months and the animal was complaining that her father wanted her to postpone the wedding because he was grieving. Leslie's body also washed up on their wedding day.
Thanks. It's all coming back to me now. Speaking of Leslie, do you know if the French and Mahaffy families have come forward for interviews since yesterday? I can't imagine how they are feeling.
imo